Maryland ‘Substantial Reason’ Requirement Challenged

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There’s an important gun rights case pending before the U.S. Supreme Court that could be as significant as recent gun-rights wins like District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) and McDonald v. Chicago (2010). The case comes out of Maryland, where the State requires an applicant for license to carry a handgun to demonstrate “a good and substantial reason to wear, carry, or transport a handgun as a reasonable precaution against apprehended danger.”

Baltimore County resident Raymon Woollard had a license to carry for six years. It was granted after a violent home invasion attack by his son-in-law. But when the license came up for renewal again, his request was denied because the attack had occurred seven years earlier and he no longer demonstrated a sufficient “substantial reason” requirement, per Maryland law.

Woollard, along with the Second Amendment Foundation, sued the State, citing SCOTUS rulings in Heller and McDonald. The Federal court ruled in his favor, but the ruling was subsequently overturned by the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. The appeals court ruled the State satisfied the standard as the good-and-substantial-reason requirement for obtaining a Maryland handgun permit is reasonably adapted to a substantial governmental interest.

In other words, the 4th Circuit believes the 2nd Amendment can be arbitrarily suspended if the means (restricting gun ownership) achieves the State’s ends (reducing gun crime) but did not require the State to prove its case.

There have been several lower court decisions since Heller and McDonald that indicate the gun grabbers continue to subvert the will of the Founders on the rights of all Americans to “keep and bear arms.” It will be up to SCOTUS to once again affirm the right.

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  • Motov

    Does the second amendment read “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”??? What part of “Shall not be infringed” is not understood?

    • KennyLLC

      Some anti-gun rights people see this clause as a “militia only” right, retranslated as National Guard only by federalists.
      But the original description “to keep” and bear arms relied on every man’s personal gun ownership as a given source in order to fill the ranks of militia men.
      They cannot skirt around gun ownership rights without trampling personal liberties through tyranny of anti-gun legislators.
      Unfortunately, they have succeeded in brainwashing and redefining the purpose and right of each state’s militia,which was meant to curb tyranny of government controlled usurpers against our liberties: instead, violating our self-defense precautions of bearing arms.

      • dan

        ….some people never heard of the Minutemen ,
        the original irregular militia

        • KennyLLC

          True…and Lincoln would never have won the “war between the states” without state militias.
          He simply didn’t have enoigh congressional consent after secession when he called over 60,000 troops. Some historians say it was an illegal war. If so, the U.S. that was formed after the surrender was actually a new country, because legally, the union was truly dissolved when congress left in a massive walk-out and without convening session. Hence, another reason why he was called a dictator, wherefore his actions as “president” were a mere pretention.

          • dan

            yup, that’s when the Republic died…or should we say ,when it was assassinated

          • Motov

            “He suspended the constitution in order to save it.”
            Washington DC being so close to the Mason Dixon line, he really had little choice but to do that.

          • KennyLLC

            Sometimes I wonder if the movie “Abraham Lincoln-Vampire Slayer” may be a more accurate depiction than the history books.
            O:-)

          • Motov

            As far as today is concerned. Those who fought for our current government, particular the one’s who voted last November but their votes never counted due to a “plane crash” would most likely side with the people instead of the Government (assuming they know the constitution and understand that we the people are “boss” and not the POTUS). I just hope many high ranking officers think our politicians are parasites

          • KennyLLC

            Somehow I doubt they think much at all about anything except how to get more votes from the illegal sector of society. Removing a despotic regime is the furthest thing from their minds, since it would simply appear to be an act of racism in the mindless heads of their supporters.

          • Motov

            I tend to think our soldiers have more functional grey matter than the average parasite sheep. Being exposed to more of the world can do wonders to their pre conceived ideas.

          • KennyLLC

            Yeah. The problem with the young ones though is they are dumber than dog crap, knowing nothing of the situation at hand, and all they think they are going to do is go kick butt. I think of Ron Paul when it comes to knowing true foriegn relations and where to stay out of everybody’s business and when to step in.
            Most young soldiers cannot even quote ten lines in the Constitution, let alone defend it when it is under attack by our real enemies. In their case, their sworn oath is meaningless.

          • Motov

            We should send copies of the Constitution to them when they do their send a (Christmas) gift to a soldier drive, formatted for their I-pods if necessary,….

          • KennyLLC

            Sounds good…but if they will first learn who the true enemies of our Constitution are AFTER being placed in a uniform and a bunker, well…it’s already too late.

          • Motov

            I think most of them did realise, if you recall last election, had it been up to our military alone Ron Paul would be in the office

          • KennyLLC

            A funny thing though: his suspension of habeus corpus and raids on printing facilities were all conducted in the Union states. Likewise his EP only freed slaves in rebelling states, where he had no authority while preserving slavery in neutral states. Blacks that followed Sherman’s army weren’t freed either after the EP, rather they were “contraband of war”.
            Lincoln was a white supremist whose original gripe over secession was “who will pay my tax (cotton and slave “chattel”) ?
            After the war he tried to send them all to “Liberia” a.k.a. Africa, but they wouldn’t leave.
            Lincoln was a true split-tongued dictator/politician/elected official.

          • ‘Barbara Messmer

            Not quite as he was killed 6 days after Lee surrendered, not time for him to try anything so ambitious. However, yes he was in favor of sending the freed slaves out of the country and had even authorized a British agent to recruit such that were willing to relocate to British colonies in the Caribbean. The plan was nothing new and not really his…going back to the abolitionist Henry Clay in 1816.

          • KennyLLC

            A misunderstanding: Lincoln intended to ship blacks back to Africa, thus his efforts were made posthumously by his supporters.
            It was the 13th Amendment by congress that freed slaves in all the U.S. and not the EP, that only freed them in rebelling states, as well Lincoln’s false promise was made thusly. At the time that he enacted the EP there was no union between Lincoln’s states and the seceded states, wherefore his declaration was utterly meaningless except as an effort for sedition against the south, as well the aforementioned abolitionists had already riled him: evidenced in his debates and writings as a lawyer prior to his election.

          • Michael Shreve

            The PRETEXT that made Lincon’s war legal, (any state can, at will, secede from the Union) was the attack on Fort Sumter. “Attempts by the Confederate government to settle its differences with the Union were spurned by Lincoln, and the Confederacy felt it could no longer tolerate the presense of a foreign force in its territory. Believing a conflict to be inevitable, Lincoln ingeniously devised a plan that would cause the Confederates to fire the first shot and thus, he hoped, inspire the states that had not yet seceded to unite in the effort to restore the Union.”

          • KennyLLC

            Lincoln was definitely a friend of the militant abolitionists who proved their dander during the enactment of the bloody Kansas-Nebraska Act, preventing southern states from expanding west after winning the west for the sake of the antebellum “union”.
            The attack on Ft. Sumter was due to Lincoln’s posturing and recruiting efforts to blockade the south from the south Texas coastline all the way around the Gulf of Mexico, up the Fl. coast and on to D.C..
            Lincoln’s boycott was on account of feared mass-secession and loss of taxation for slaves,cotton, sugar, rice, etc., etc. ad nauseum. He was no “Great Emancipator” by any stretch of the imagination.

          • KennyLLC

            …not to mention the only conviction and hanging of a slave trader docked in New England, Capt. Nathaniel Gordon, for political purposes on account of the secession of South Carolina. (See “The Smithonian” June, 2007 issue.)
            Ironically, the Confederate Constitution made the trans-Atlantic slave trade illegal, whereas the illegal practice continued out of N.England and NYC for nearly two decades after the war.

          • KennyLLC

            …correct, except for one minor detail. There was no confederacy at the time. It was the State of South Carolina that fired on Ft. Sumter, killing noone in their attempt to make Anderson leave the newly fortified, yet unfinished structure.
            Not so minor: come to think of it. So the blockade (a precursor declaration of war) was considered just an attack on States rights, and if you have ever seen where Fort Sumter is stationed…well…let’s just say it is the perfect place in Charleston Harbor to start a blockade on the entire south.

        • Vis Fac

          Thanks to the liberal indoctrination camps masquerading as public schools, some people have never heard of the Constitution, let alone the Bill of Rights.

          “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.” Thomas Jefferson

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
          is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

          Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
          we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

          Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
          contesting the vote.”

          Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

          • KennyLLC

            “The U.S. Constitution is a bill filled with negative rights.” – President Barack Hussein Obama

    • Vis Fac

      The liberal interpretation and understanding not only of the Second Amendment but the entire Constitution of the United States of America and The Bill of Rights.

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

      Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

      Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

      Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!”
      shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

  • dan

    The Scotus isn’t the final arbiter of what the Law of the Land is….
    it is WE the People…..and well regulated is an inclusive phrase …not exclusive (not necessarily standing, uniformed , or permanently organized ) or it would read ONLY a well regulated militia.

  • mbfromwv

    Maryland, like NJ, NY, most of New England, just took its death penalty laws off its books. Citizens are no longer safe in that state. Judges “slap the wrist” of violent criminals while those who exercise their right to defend themselves or their families are taken “over the coals” in the state courts. It’s time this Maryland case gets exposed, the NRA gets involved, and the right to exercise the Second Amendment without license restrictions becomes the law of the land.

    Capital punishment is nothing more than garbage disposal. We have garbage disposals in our kitchens. We take garbage to the street or to the local dump for disposal. Anyone who commits a heinous murder (reference the Dr. Petit case where two killers wiped out this doctor’s family and the incompetent governor there won’t sign the execution warrants for the killers) is garbage and deserves to be put down. Period.

    Citizens need to vote legislators who work against will of the people and oppose “garbage disposal” out of office. Join the NRA and encourage that organization to publicly go after anti-Second Amendment legislators by name, constantly.

    Call and write your Congressmen and Senators NOW (202 224-3121) and encourage them to renounce any United Nations arms control treaties the President may sign. Also, let them know you expect them to support a unrestricted Second Amendment (the Castle doctrine, “stand your ground”, no arbitrary license restrictions, etc.), and you will vote accordingly next year if they refuse.

    Last but not least, murder using a firearm needs to become a Federal crime, just like kidnapping. The system worked flawlessly for the perpetrator of the Oklahoma City bombing in the federal courts, resulting in disposal of the mass murderer. Killers are slapped on the wrist and walk free in DC, MD, NY, NJ, most of New England, and many other locations. Killers need to face what they meted out to their victims – disposal. This would also take the high cost of capital prosecutions from the states, and force dangerous killers to face their own demise REGARDLESS of the state the murder was committed in.

    Judges (like the one in Nebraska who ruled electrocution is cruel and unusual punishment) need to be impeached, removed from office, and disbarred. The Nebraska legislature needs to overrule that judge and reinstitute the state’s capital punishment laws including electrocution as a means of disposal. Mass leafleting and targeted internet email identifying various politicians and judges BY NAME, ADDRESS (home included), PHONE, EMAIL, etc. needs to begin immediately to reach voters well before next year’s elections.

    • Vis Fac

      No different in the PRC where my son was murdered by a career felon who was released on a “technicality”. Liberals are always interfering with They the constitution because THEY feel that they are all knowing and have the right to dictate policy. The chief usurper in the oval office has been given Carte Blanche because of this.

      I am all for the death penalty for anyone who wantonly takes someones life by premeditated murder. If I had my way ANYONE convicted of selling drugs would be eliminated as would child molesters. I would like to return to the 19th century when public hangings were seen as a deterrent to criminal behavior. “Progressive” attitude has all but ruined our nation. We are less cosmopolitan than we have ever been and apathy further erodes society.

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

      Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

      Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

      Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!”
      shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        How can you equate a victimless crime — selling drugs — with murder or child molestation?
        http://library.mises.org/books/Mark%20Thornton/Economics%20of%20Prohibition.pdf

        • Vis Fac

          Selling drugs a victim-less crime are you kidding? The dealer victimizes the buyer by selling DOPE thus condemning them to a lifetime (albeit short from an overdose) of misery.

          Drug dealers are SCUM and should be ELIMINATED from society completely. If you are a drug dealer I have issues with you. And would gladly provide personalized service.

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

          Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
          we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

          Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
          contesting the vote.”

          Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress
          is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

      • Motov

        And the libtards think it is ok to kill unborn babies. It’s is all about personal responsibilities, Liberals tend to blame inanimate objects or other people for their lack of self control.
        Ironic isn’t it?

        The marijuana issue I think should be treated like alcohol/tobacco. Prohibition doesn’t work. Legalize it. You will find it far easier to keep pot out of pre 18-21 year old’s hands because a store clerk selling it probably don’t wish to lose their job/license over some teen trying to get something.
        It should be up to the individual whether they use or not.

        • Vis Fac

          Have you ever seen someone on “pot” that is so stoned out of their gourd they couldn’t remember their name? I have I have seen much worse, and side effects as they come down after their stupor are another story. Doped up people do stupid things as do drunks.

          Alcohol is a disease and problem with those who are easily addicted and most evolves into alcoholism ruining lives.

          Marijuana is considered a “gateway” drug for other as opiate addiction meth addiction etc. unlike alcoholism drug addiction is faster at destroying the body, and the family structure. and a major cause of premature death.

          Drug addicts don’t care about anything but their next fix and will do what ever it takes to attain them even resorting to murder if they’re desperate enough as some are.

          Drug addicts never contemplate how their actions might effect people or their families that become victims because of their addiction.

          If I had my way I would eliminate anyone who deals drugs period no second chances for once you walk through the door there is no returning. I would not wish ANYONE to experience what I and my family had to endure.

          Liberals are short sighted and like putty when dealing with their own kind (liberal judges liberal laws liberal BS) and hard as stone when not (anyone or thing contrary to their one dimensional agenda).

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
          is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

          Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
          we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

          Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
          contesting the vote.”

          Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress
          is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

          • Motov

            First off POT is NOT a gateway drug, And yes there are people who have addictive tendencies that should be supervised around any substance. I contend Alcohol is by far more dangerous than pot is. Alcohol has killed more people through over dose than pot ever will.
            Prohibition created criminals out of ordinary people, just like prohibition of pot is doing today.
            YOU CANNOT legislate morality.
            Face it, people like smoking pot, is that a reason to lock him/her up and destroy the family just because they prefer the buzz of weed over alcohol?
            I have Parkinson’s Disease, If I smoke weed, my need for medicine goes down, I find it easier for me to get sleep at night. My attitude improves, I can focus on one subject better, over all it helps raise the quality of my life.
            Do you have any IDEA how much fun it is to have PD???? And you wish to deny me of something that helps me out!!
            Marijuana is NOT an opiate.

          • Vis Fac

            According to who a “pot head” like you? My daughter is a physician and she says differently POTHEADS always use the same defense as you. “it’s non addictive non opiate and not a gateway I say BS because you want a clear conscience to use it as you wish!

            People are going to to what they want regardless of any law or statute and I agree you cannot legislate morality . What Can be done and I would be first in line to implement is to ELIMINATE those who sell controlled substances especially to minors!!!!

            We each have our own crosses to bear My wife has MS and had colon cancer yet manages to survive without drugs I have several pieces of shrapnel a telescoped spine and am in constant pain. I don’t use drugs of any kind as they are not effective and I have allergies to opiates Do you know how much fun that is living in constant pain? Possibly!

            Some people’s constitution’s make it easier to cope others can’t face reality and turn to chemical alteration of the psyche I see this as a cop out.

            One other thing I doubt that you lost a child because someone had to have his fix because he was predisposed to use pot then coke then meth. (All documented in his rap sheet) SO until you walk a mile in my shoes you needn’t be so posturing

            During my lifetime have walked many miles in many shoes I have had my share of success and elation and more than my share of misery.

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
            we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Motov

            You missed the point of underaged usage that I made.
            By legalizing, you effectively take it out of the dealer’s hands, and put it in a store clerk’s hands. I’m 50 years of age, I never once tried cocaine, or harder stuff as you suggest, because of pot. I apologize for for my remark about you not being in my shoes. That was out of line for me to do.
            I had more than my fair share of “bumpy” roads too.
            It doesn’t matter how we get our afflictions, what does matter is how we deal with them. It sounds like you are dealing with them to the best of your abilities.
            But I still say you have no right to tell me what I choose to put into my body, especially when the benefits greatly outweigh the liabilities. The side effects of my PD meds sometimes suck worse than the symptoms of this disease, Marijuana also helps with those side effects.
            If something helps why deny it to the person?
            If you saw a person drowning you’d throw him a floatation device wouldn’t you? In my case it sounds like you’d throw me an anvil instead.
            Don’t be too judgemental, (I’m also guilty of doing this, I need to heed to this more myself) “Evil” things to you may be a God send to others.
            And God created marijuana,..
            Man created booze,…
            Who do you trust?

          • Vis Fac

            By legalizing POT you create many dealers provide exponentially more product to other minors who have no immunity for suppression of THC let alone alcohol. Clinical Studies have proven people under the age of 21 have are more susceptible to addictions and we all know minors get access to controlled substances and they are most at risk.
            I don’t care what you put in your body you can inject yourself with poison it is none of my business I have no problems with medicinal use however we all know there is abuse and I see people who don’t need it being the ones stoned out of their gourds proclaiming it is not addictive These the very same people who abuse and sell to minors so they can buy more for themselves.
            I have issues serious issues with people who push dope on kids. I see drugs as a cop out for those who cannot handle reality. I lost a son to a career felon who was a doped up meth user who had to have his fix. Drugs are the scourge of the earth and they are taking the people in this country down who try and escape reality. Aside form Autos drugs cause more deaths than wars and firearms combined right ahead of medical malpractice FYI God might have created Marijuana and Cocaine but said Marijuana and Cocaine were forbidden as the fruit of knowledge in Eden. God also created wine and at the last supper said “drink for this is my blood” Satan tempts people to go against Gods law Apparently you trust Satan?

            I have to suck it up so should everyone else.

          • Motov

            Then we disagree. Legalizing pot will increase availability, but dealers will be replaced by store clerks

            The dealer will NO longer be selling it! There will be NO profit for him to be selling it.

            Like alcohol, and tobacco products, you will need an ID to purchase it. No store clerk will sell it to a minor, BECAUSE they do not want to lose their jobs. (Most stores have a camera monitoring the register area, so he knows he cannot sell to minors WO getting caught)

            So minors will find it even more difficult to get it.
            Legalizing Marijuana will effectively curb underaged usage,

          • Vis Fac

            We both know that legalizing marijuana will create more dealers. As with any drug there will be abuse AND illegal sales. I am not so naive to think illegal sales would occur in front of any camera or recording device as this kind of thing happens all the time.

            People do things on the job they can be terminated for but do them anyway. And the chance to make a score and have it “legal” is too much a temptation for those predispose to work in a marijuana dispensary

            I feel sorry for your situation BUT there are other sources of THC other than smoking weed.

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
            we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress
            is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Motov

            Which proves a point where there is a demand, someone will supply it, no one can stop it.

          • Vis Fac

            Proves nothing you make the punishment harsh enough and you will stop it Look to China Drug dealers or possession no matter how minute results in a death sentence Same as in the Arab world the family provides all costs in administering punishment.

            Liberal tenet is too lax when dealing with scum the only way to curb violence child abuse drugs is ELIMINATION of those involved.

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
            is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
            we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Motov

            Gee, Let’s destroy families like we did with booze in the 1930’s Turn otherwise hard working americans into criminals because they want to get high. The more you oppress, the deeper underground it will go. This is not China nor the Middle East, I’m not advocating cocaine or opiates. There are big differences between getting high vs getting drunk. people do not get into fights when they’re high, you cannot overdose on pot, you are less likely to do stupid things. motor skills are not as impaired

            And your statement “We both know that legalizing marijuana will create more dealers. Is false.

            I don’t believe that at all.
            You don’t tell me how or what I think.

          • Vis Fac

            Gee Let’s let get back to what I originally posted Ridding society of dope dealers. If we were to get rid of the SCUM or at least rid ourselves of those who are caught chances are there would be fewer scum to worry about.

            Those who turn to dope are weak of character they need an excuse to be irresponsible and cop out that don’t want to live like others have to. You are sounding more like those hippie radicals the 60’s who are now running this country into the ground, going further by the Gen Xer’s

            You may not OD on pot but, have you ever seen people high on pot stoned out of their minds and caused the death of people they knew? I have Imagine infantry in the jungles of Vietnam where marijuana grows wild so a few dope heads take some and smoke it

            Their reasoning is that they are more alert when high Well things as they are you might feel alert but you’re giddy high as a kite and oblivious to impending danger resulting in no reflex action and the NVA overrunning your position killing hundreds of your friends. Yes this did happen and I was a lucky casualty that survived

            I usually don’t share deep personal experiences because I have nightmares when I do This particular one because of pot. had those in the listening posts been alert perhaps those who dies would still be alive today.

            SO DON’T YOU DARE TELL ME THAT POT IS SAFE MILD NO ADDICTIVE OR OTHERWISE POT IS DOPE AND I HAVE EXPERIENCED WHAT IT CAN AND DOES CAUSE ! For excuses are like A$$ holes everyone has one!

            You are merely another loser who needs a crutch to make it through the day. Just like all the other pot heads.

            Stick a fork in me I.m done. Done talking to you! Good by LOSER try and cope with life the best you are able crutches and all.

            The
            Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do
            Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people
            and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated
            president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown
            in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone
            believing we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected
            officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because
            “We the People” no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves
            and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!”
            shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress
            is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Chris

            The only thing that worries me about legalizing pot is someone’s judgement when they get behind the wheel of a car……..bad enough there are alcoholics out there being killed and killing others.

          • Vis Fac

            If that’s all you are worried about you are living in a land of fantasy. I’ve seen far worse and despite what other potheads say marijuana IS a gateway drug it also leads to tobacco usage which is a drug in itself having other health hazards.

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
            we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress
            is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

  • Michael Shreve

    IRRATIONALLY, WE THE PEOPLE repeatedly give the governments an inch when we know FULL WELL that they will ONLY be satisfied with the entire mile.