Marco Rubio’s Big Immigration Mistake

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What a sad transformation it’s been to see Senator Marco Rubio go from being a Tea Party hero to an apologist for the Gang of Eight’s immigration bill.

Back in 2010, Rubio was a handsome and articulate State Senator in Florida when he decided to run for the U.S. Senate. Doing so meant defying the Republican establishment’s hand-picked selection, then-Governor Charlie Crist.

There were two make-or-break issues in the Republican primary that year. The first was Barack Obama’s massively expensive stimulus program. Crist was so enamored of it that he actually agreed to have a photograph taken of him publicly embracing the President. We’ll never know how many votes that hug cost him, but it was a bunch.

Rubio said that counting on Federal handouts to create jobs was a huge mistake. He called instead for letting the free enterprise system work, by lowering taxes and reducing regulation. The voters made it clear which message they preferred.

The other issue that marked a sharp disagreement between the two candidates was immigration reform and, in particular, amnesty for the millions of people who were in this country illegally. Crist endorsed amnesty; Rubio, the son of immigrants from Cuba, said he was unalterably opposed to it. In speech after speech, Rubio repeated this warning in some form: If you grant amnesty in any form, you will destroy any chance we ever have of having a legal immigration system that works here in America.

It was those two stands, more than any others, that made Rubio a Tea Party favorite and led to his victory over his much more liberal opponent. Crist subsequently resigned from the Republican Party and joined the Democrats.

But since then, Rubio agreed to become one of four Republican members of the Senate’s Gang of Eight. Since two of his Republican colleagues were John McCain of Arizona and Lindsay Graham of South Carolina and the Democrat members included Chuck Schumer of New York and Robert Menendez of New Jersey, you won’t be surprised to learn that the final agreement includes amnesty.

It was also apparent that a whole lot of horse-trading was going on behind the scenes to ensure passage of the bill. Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas), one of the Tea Party heroes who has not abandoned his opposition to the current immigration bill, castigated the “laundry list of buyoffs” that has been made to insure a favorable vote. These include:

  • Diverting a chunk of the money for border security to Maine — a State that, so far as I know, has never had a problem with illegal immigrants hiking in from Canada — to win the support of Susan Collins, that State’s Senator.
  • Some special bequests for the seafood industry in Alaska, so that State’s two Senators, Lisa Murkowski and Mark Begich, will get behind the bill.
  • And in one of the smelliest deals of all, a $1.5 billion jobs program, the price demanded by Vermont’s socialist Senator Bernie Sanders for his support.

All of that helps explain why Cruz said, “Rarely do we see so transparently how votes in the Senate are bought and sold.” Oh yes we have, Senator. It’s just that in the past they were called “earmarks.”

After weeks of behind-the-scenes wheeling and dealing, the current immigration bill was finally made available for Senators to see last Friday afternoon. The Senate was expected to vote on some of its most important provisions just 72 hours later. Does the process remind you of the way Obamacare was rushed through Congress?

No matter. The bill was approved yesterday by a vote of 68-32, followed by a ton of self-congratulation among the victorious Senators. The measure now goes to the House of Representatives, where it will face a much tougher battle.

If there’s any lesson we’ve learned over the recent past, it’s that we can’t trust a politician’s promise. Yet that’s exactly what this current measure does when it comes to protecting our borders. It calls for beginning the legalization process now and says that border protection will follow. “Trust us on this” is the refrain.

Are they crazy?

The proposal says that the border is “secure” when it catches or keeps out 90 percent of those who try to enter the country illegally. That’s far from perfect, but it’s sure a heck of a lot better than we’ve been doing.

The question is: Who decides when that goal is achieved? The current legislation calls for the President and his minions to make that determination. We’re supposed to trust the same folks who have screwed up on so many fronts for so long. That’s ridiculous.

Instead, Congress should be the branch that determines when our border is secure. Members of the House of Representatives are a lot more accountable to the voters than any President — especially a lame duck who won’t run for office again.

What This Bill Doesn’t Do

There’s been a lot of talk about what this bill does, including all of the promises about tightening up our borders. But far more important is something it doesn’t do. In fact, it’s an issue that is almost never even mentioned in the immigration debate.

I’m referring to the absurdity of granting citizenship to each and every child who is born within our borders — no matter if the parents are here legally or not.

That’s right. It is the official policy of the U.S. government that any child, born in this country to illegal immigrants, automatically and immediately becomes a citizen of the United States.

Such infants are sometimes referred to as “anchor babies,” because their immediate and automatic citizenship is the “anchor” on which a host of other claims, from welfare to others’ citizenship, can be made.

On the face of it, this sounds patently absurd. How can a newborn baby be eligible for citizenship when his parents are not? Not merely eligible, mind you, but granted it automatically? The new citizen is immediately entitled to all the benefits that accompany citizenship: schooling, medical care, food stamps and other welfare, and a whole host of “public assistance.”

This is not how it should be. Yes, it’s true we are a Nation of immigrants. But what a difference there is between this process and what our predecessors experienced. Many of us have grandparents or great-grandparents who overcame incredible obstacles to become citizens of this country. Before they were accepted, they had to pass a rigorous and demanding test. The questions they were asked and their answers had to be in English.

As an essential part of the process, every immigrant was required to renounce allegiance to the country he had left and to swear allegiance to his newly adopted home, the United States. And every new citizen was thrilled to do so.

There was a solemn ceremony, often conducted by a judge sitting high on a bench above them, issuing the oath of allegiance. Friends and family welcomed the new citizens with flag waving, hugs and tears, and enthusiastic applause.

That is what citizenship for an immigrant used to mean — and still does, for many adults who follow the rules. But today, we are required to grant the same privileges to anyone whose mother can sneak across our border a few hours before her baby is born. That is insane. And it must be changed, if we ever hope to regain control of our immigration policies.

Rubio recognizes that many of his supporters disagree with him on immigration. A Rasmussen poll says his support among conservatives has dropped 15 percent since February.

Rubio admits it’s been difficult for him to hear “the growing anger in the voices of so many people who helped me get elected to the Senate and who I agree with on virtually every other issue.”

Rubio, there’s an easy solution here: Please come back to your base. Remember why so many of us hailed your triumph three years ago. And return to the principles that lead to your amazing victory.

As the son of (legal) immigrants and a proud Hispanic yourself, you are in a unique position to insist that first we must secure our borders. That’s our right — and our obligation. And that we must end the absurdity of granting instant citizenship to anchor babies.

If you’ll use your eloquence and enthusiasm to make sure we don’t compromise here, you’ll be doing a huge service to the country you love.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Personal Liberty

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Marco is a boy, who wants to please everyone.

    • rosie46

      He has failed!! And he will be thrown out of office in the next election as should any other senator that voted for this. This is the screw America bill.

      • Native Blood

        There are more democrats, than the above progressives above, are willing to admit their senators screwed up big time. Their party passed this with the help of the NEOCON lobby. Not all the democrat party are gays, agnostics, and other dregs to society.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I think the majority of people in both parties are good people who have been terribly misled by the party Leaders.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Dave, WHY these “good people” let their “leaders” to MISLEAD them?

            The “good people” have ALL information that we do NOT have.

            They JUST ignoring “We the People”, who elected them to represent their constituents, the People’s interest and not their own.

            Before undertaking the duties of an office ALL these “good people” are taking an Oath of Office – a statement of LOYALTY TO a CONSTITUTION:
            “I do solemnly swear that I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies – foreign and DOMESTIC.”

            But unfortunately, the majority of these “good people” becoming the DOMESTIC enemies of “We the People”, who elected them.

            These “good people” Circumcising Constitution, but they do NOT want circumcise the POWER and SPENDING.

            “The CONSTITUTION is not an instrument for the
            government to restrain the people, it IS AN INSTRUMENT FOR THE PEOPLE TO RESTRAIN THE GOVERNMENT – lest it come to dominate our (People’s) lives and interests.” – the quote attributed to
            Patrick Henry (a Founding Father and the first & sixth post-colonial Governor of Virginia)

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m talking about the rank and file (the hoi polloi), Alondra.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            There is a point of crossing where being “good people” is a danger to a people and a country. Good people can be particularly stupid and that stupidity can be taken advantage of by unscrupulous and predatory opportunists.

            Another thing to consider is what is meant by “good people”, smilers at you, don’t cut in line types, helpers or what?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Those who faithfully follow the ten commandments. Of course that excludes those who knowingly promote theft and murder using Government as their proxy agents.
            Theft such as any transfer of wealth from one group of people to another. Murder such as engaging in unprovoked wars (that is any military action not in defense of our country).

  • Harold Olsen

    I never trusted Rubio from day one. He struck me as they type of politician who will say anything to get votes. It turns out, that is exactly what he is. Now that he is in office, he has joined the establishment. If he’s an example of the TEA party, they are definitely not the grass roots movement they claim to be. But, then, even the TEA party seems to be distancing themselves from him He’s definitely no conservative. In fact, I’m viewing him as a John McCain protege. Just another RINO. He’d do better switching parties. He’d be more at home in the Democrat party with the rest of Obama’s Nazis.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Actually Harold, he is very representative of the Republican Party. What you think the Republican Party stands for, and what it really stands for, are two entirely different animals. You need to learn to read between the lines because, like the Democrat Leaders, they aren’t telling you the truth.

      • JeffH

        BINGO!

        • podunk1

          Consider the amnesty debacle from a “what it’s going to do to you angle:

          Government loses $100,295 for every $37,096 citizen net pay job they destroy! (Citizen job tax & subsidy plus the invader subsidy) A bankrupt country can’t
          survive allowing its elected officials to literally throw away $1.5 to $2.7 trillion per year! It’s a perverse hatred beyond reasoning!

          The only acknowledged amnesty motive is buying progressive votes. Low wage subservient workers at Chinese levels are global monopolist goals. Demonic executive branch progressive Marxist hatred seeks collapse and revolution. Bottom line, reasons don’t matter when under siege in all areas from within!

          Like the senate, the house is awash in fraud, extortion, threats, compromised “government grant” money, and
          the endless “bipartisan” global PAC money! Officials are openly threatened into heeling like dogs on a leash! Sedition openly festers within the belly of government corruption! Oath bound elected government officers hide this from citizens. When “unknown” domestic and foreign interests dictate official decisions that overrules Constitution and law we have treason! We need a legislature that will
          prosecute to restore our constitution and independence. An amnesty vote will end it all!

          Data references:

          Data begins with adjusting the 2012 BLS $42,537 wage @ 34.4/hr/wk to $49,462 @ full-time 40/hr/wk with 25% employee tax & 30% employer tax, regulations, & fringes (Wikipedia). Government subsidy is their $402 billion illegal alien cost/11 million illegal aliens = $36,545. Individual calculated costs are $12,365 employee tax, $14,839 employer tax & fringes, $36,545 citizen subsidies, and $37,096 lost net pay.

          1) BLS workforce was 154.975 million, employed 142.469M, unemployment 12.506M, and want job 6.437M. 2) 1997-2008 workforce to population ratios (66.54%) instead of 2012 (63.70%) says 6.896M jobless disappeared in the recession. 3) If 142,469M working 34.4 hours instead of 40, (142,469*(40-34.4)/34.4=23,194M) full time jobs lost to part time work are an additional 23.194M! Total potential unemployment is 49.033M! (49 million)

  • jetstream

    Too late, Mr. Wood. Rubio helped shove through this disastrous bill. His future political aspirations? Toast.

    • Robbie

      And the aspirations of the GOP are also toast. They learned nothing from the last disaster of an election and those who consider Rubio too liberal are even less likely to ever see their extreme views have any chance of success. It’ll be Hilary or Joe as the next president.I’m still hoping that Donald and Sarah and maybe even Michelle will try to run as Republicans. I mean, we need the laughs but can the GOP ever beat the last clown show they offered up to the electorate?

      • Alex

        Eye wouldn’t be surprised at all if the GOP did indeed pull an even more unbelievably ridiculous and eminently unelectable sacrificial lamb out of their Kandidate Klown Kar.

        Howl about they run a Bachman/Palin ticket to pretend that a ceasefire has been called in their ongoing War on Women….

        • Nadzieja Batki

          What malevolent snot noses you two are, Robbie and Alex.

          • Bob666

            Yo Nads,
            I see you are still one happy camper!

          • Ringgo1

            Yo Boob,
            We see you’re still a moron.

          • Bob666

            Yo Rotgut,
            There has never been a question that you are a Moron as well.

          • JeffH

            Yo ho ho and a pile of 666, never been any doubt about you being a progressive troll and a hypocrit either.

          • Bob666

            Sticks and stones might break my bones…..
            But angry old men whose life has passed them by…
            Will never-ever phase me.

            Or

            H – Y – P,

            P, becausue JeffreyH is the pasty little man,

            O – C – R

            RRRR, because his man hood is all shrivel up!

            I – T,

            T, because he is the Ultimate chat room Troll!

            Who is angry at you and me…………………..

            JeffreyH, “JefreyH”, because in life, he is all alone…..

            On PLD, he will troll and bark at you and me.

            H – Y – P,

            P, becausue JeffreyH is the Nasty little man,

            O – C – R

            RRRR, because his man hood is all but gone!

            I – T,

            T, because he is the Ultimate chat room Troll!

            ….”Who is angry at you and me”………………..

            Thank You-Thank You very Much!

          • JeffH

            Hmmmm, WOW! Once again your brilliance(lack of) is only overshadowed by your lack of credibility.

            For those that don’t know about Progressive Bob666…here are some facts.

            1. Progressive Bob666 has been following and trolling after Jay, JeffH and samurai. This is a verifiable fact.

            2. Progressive Bob666 has accused others of spending all of their time on PLD yet it is Progressive Bob666 who leads the board in comments posted although he rarely posts anything of substance. In the interest of not seeming like a hypocrit, I also take my fair share of shots at the progressives.

            Top Five in order – Progressive Bob666 @#1 – 1239 comments, vicki – 854 comments, samurai – 770 comments , JeffH – 713 comments, Jay – 632 comments

            3. Progressive Bob666 has claimed to be a Libertarian although his comments and his actions betray him to clearly be a progressive.

            I won’t even go into his bragging and obsession of taking his Blackberry to the links at the Doral, blogging and sharing these comments with his OB/GYN on the course and again sharing at home with his ignorant wife who he claims agrees with him and his postings.
            FYI, before chastizing me over the “wife” comment…let it be known that it was Progressive Bob666, trying to be cute, that brought her to the table in the first place.
            Fair game!

            Oh, and he’s the consumate hypocrit too.

            That, folks, is Progressive Bob666 in a nutshell.

          • Bob666

            Oh Yeffry,
            I would bet that you wine like a little girl to all that you get mad at-which would be just about everyone.

            Get a life buddy, Oh, I forgot, you don’t have one.

          • JeffH

            PROGRESSIVE POLLY WANT A CRACKER? baaarrraaaccckkkk!

            The truth will set you free.

          • JeffH

            See my comment above…nuff said!

          • Bill

            .
            Good analogy, Nad,

            They are just a couple of mind numbed robots whose thoughts are provided by the left’s propaganda media

            They referred to the “war on Women”. The real war on women is the left’s failed economic policies which has created more dogs scrambling for a smaller amount of bones.

            The real answer to helping anybody, whether they be a chosen group or not, is a vibrant free market economy where jobs are plentiful and opportunity abounds. Just like we had in the 80’s under Reagan
            Robbie and Alex are just a couple or ignorant school kids who do not know anything

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            We haven’t had anything close to “free market economy” for over 100 years, Bill, but Reagan’s heart seemed to be in the right place even though the execution of his plans was lacking.
            The Myth of Reaganomics:
            http://mises.org/daily/1544

        • Don 2

          The real “War on Women” is Islam.

          The real “War on Gays & Lesbians” is Islam.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Please explain to us, Alex, what this “War on Women” is?

      • Don 2

        One certainly cannot deny that incompetence and buffoonery are “resume enhancements” for Democrats. Ted Kennedy left Mary Joe overnight to drown in a submerged vehicle so as not to risk his political career, so we’ll make him a party hero, and continue to re-elect him. Bill Clinton was such an embarrassment with his sexual conduct, and a liar to the public, that we made him a party hero also. Hillary did such a lousy job as Secretary of State, and with the Benghazi cover-up, that we’ll reward her as our presidential candidate. Joe is such a big buffoon on a daily basis, that we’ll reward him also, if possible. John Kerry, Chuck Hagel, Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz, Sheila Jackson Lee, and the beat goes on…….

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Please enlighten us, Robbie, as to what their “extreme views” are.

        • Robbie

          I guess eliminating government – or nearly so – could be seen as being pretty extreme. Doing away with public education (Rick Santorum) is pretty extreme. But now that you mention it I’m not that happy with having used the word extreme. I should have just said stupid views, ignorant views.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            It’s VERY, VERY, VERY strange that you are considering your views “smart”.

          • Robbie

            I was asked to give examples and I did so. I can’t imagine what your problem is. And, by the way, I am pretty smart. Thanks for mentioning it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If you’re “smart”, Robbie, I’m downright brilliant.

          • Robbie

            I can not yet tell if you are brilliant or not because you actually have not stated what your objection is to my facts. You make some remarks that I guess are meant to be insulting but you don’t actually say anything of substance.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Your “facts” aren’t facts at all, Robbie. The true story of Benghazi has been told repeatedly. You just choose to keep your blinders super-glued on, which is fine with me. But it isn’t fine with me that you are trying to propagate those lies on this board.

            And it isn’t fine with me that you start out on this board insulting other people and then whine about me insulting you. To wit:
            From 2 days ago, Robbie says — “Do you actually deny that just days before Benghazi there was, in fact, an inflamatory video that sparked riots and demonstrations and attacks all across the Arab world with Bengahzi being one of those places? Do you really deny that? Where you not on planet earth at that time?”.

            No insults there, eh Robbie? What I see in you, Robbie, is the typical Propaganda spewing, manipulative Progressive who can’t be shut up, no matter how much proof there is that his “facts” are just Propaganda repeated constantly in an effort to convince ignorant people that they are truth.

          • Robbie

            As I keep saying it was a combination of attack, demonstration, riot, protest etc., etc. But whatever you want to call it the result is the same. In the meantime you and FOX “news” continue to beat a dead horse and the next President will certainly be Hilary or Joe or whichever Democrat gets the nomination. And so far it looks like the GOP have learned not one thing from the last election and will be offering up yet another collection of clowns who think they can run the most important and complicated nation on earth without even the equivalence of an elementary school education.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Robbie, Analyzing your posts on this Web, I can tell that you are NOT smart.
            You are FOOLISH, FALSE (pretending to be something that you are not), AMBIGUOUS, MANIPULATIVE, emotionally UNSTABLE, HISTRIONIC, PSYCHOPATHIC NARCISSIST, who is constantly seeking attention and control.

            Your PERSONALITY DIMENSIONS are:
            SUBJECTIVITY (detached objectivity)
            CONTRARIAN (go against what said)
            LOCUS OF CONTROL (internal vs. external view of where control happens)

            BTW, your PERSONALITY has a lot in common with the Irish White-Negro Kenyan.

            Robbie, it’s time for you to crawl back under your Canadian rock.

            P.S. Robbie, please do not tell that you are “smart”. You are PHONY-BALONEY.

          • Robbie

            I was asked to give examples and I did so. If you have some objections to the facts please feel free to explain them. The string of adjectives you hurled at me, while amusing, just don’t advance the debate at all.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Try being more specific, Robbie, like in your 2nd sentence.
            I wasn’t aware that Rick wanted to do away with Public Education, but I’m all for that. There is nothing extreme at all about letting parents and their children decide for themselves what educational opportunities to pursue. The “extremists” are those who Force their way on other people.
            In fact, I would get Government out of the educational field altogether (i.e. no Government funding, etc.). Allowing Government to dictate education begs indoctrination.
            Read this and learn something, Robbie:
            http://mises.org/journals/jls/7_1/7_1_3.pdf

          • Robbie

            Yes, home schooling or NO schooling for everyone. Let parents teach their own kids whatever and what little they know and leave it at that. Back to life in a cave!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The Republicans may keep him as well as Cruz who is kept out of the limelight, they so desperately believe that they have to pander to the “latinos” to get their vote.

      • Bob666

        Well Nads,
        on this we agree. But the GOP has yet to figure out that their strategy is not working.

        • FreedomFighter

          People like you have no clue what is coming

          The Terrifying Future of The United States
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rwmD4c_NxI&feature=youtu.be

          Notice how the Immigration bill fits into the scheme? Life as we know it is ending soon.
          Laus DeoSemper FI

          • Bob666

            Yo French-Fry,

            based on many of your post-I have far more of a clue than you do.

            Kodesh Layehovah
            Exodus 39:30

  • Ron Bedell

    When Marco Rubio was a candidate for the U.S. Senate in 2010 he was endorsed by four big government Washington D.C. Insiders (Romney, Cheney, Gingrich, & Giuliani) . That right there should have told us a lot about him. There was no way I could have voted for Rubio in 2010. I voted third party.

  • Alex

    Like most of the Miami Cubans, Marco Rubio’s parents loved Cuba SO MUCH that rather than fight for what they “believed” in, they RAN, tails between legs and suitcases stuffed with cash, hoping one day to return and turn the island nation back into the whorehouse/casino for spoiled Amerikans it was prior to the glorious Revolution.

    So, while Rubio remains a joke to the Enlightened people, it is still great fun to watch him further fragment the reeling GOP and help lay the red carpet for Hillary’s Inauguration in January of 2017.

    • Don 2

      So, Alex, clearly your lack of common sense caused you to fall for the “blame it on the video” line. Either that, or you have no problem with an even bigger liar as president, as long as her name is Clinton.

      • Robbie

        Do you actually deny that just days before Benghazi there was, in fact, an inflamatory video that sparked riots and demonstrations and attacks all across the Arab world with Bengahzi being one of those places? Do you really deny that? Where you not on planet earth at that time?

        • Don 2

          Robbie, you must be talking about the video that nobody saw. It has already been proven that there was no protest prior to the attack on Benghazi, or didn’t any of the Canadian press get those facts yet? The attackers came armed with RPG’s and AK-47’s, on the anniversary of 9/11, not your usual protest material. There were numerous attacks prior to this one, and even the Brits closed up shop and left town. Use some common sense and stop watching Obama T.V.

          • Robbie

            It doesn’t matter two bits if anyone saw the video or not. They HEARD about it or were fed a pack of lies about it, whatever. The fact is that there were riots, protests, demonstrations – whatever you want to call them – all across that part of the world. The U.S. embassy in Cairo was attacked as well as many other places. Do you remember when there was rioting in the mid east and buldings bombed etc., etc. when there were reports about a U.S. soldier supposedly burning a Koran? That story was 95% fiction but that didn’t matter to the great unwashed. You speak of the “usual protest material” as if Lybia is/was Des Moines. Lybian cities were and are armed camps with all manner of armed thugs roaming around. Not too hard to see a demonstration turn really violent really quickly. The same could happen in Cairo, Kabul, San’a, Amman, Beirut, Lagos, and many, many other places at virtually any moment. Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of just about everywhere. Of course then you could complain about how your President was not exerting American influence like in the good old days!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            All it tells us is that the Libyans and the rest of the ME (excluding Israel because her fight is for survival) don’t have any sense and are just as ignorant and stupid as you are. They are users and abusers and the used just as you are Dems/Prog/Leftist. Isn’t it painful to be led around by your nose?

          • Robbie

            It probably is painful to be led around by the nose. But never having experienced such a situation I can only speculate.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Robbie, I could make a fortune selling you and your kind nose-rings.

          • Robbie

            Sorry I’m not in the market for a nose ring or anything like it. I do know, however, a beautiful young woman of 24 who is tall, blond, and slim and dances on dessert sand like a muse. She is as free a spirit a you could imagine if you could imagine one at all (probably not from the sounds of you posting). She loves one and all both male and female and moves across a room as if to a symphony. She is the definition of being hot and sexual and yet innocent and honest all at once. It so happens that she has a nose ring. Luckily I was fortunate to get past that (with her help) and I found the beauty of real freedom.

            I suggest you get out more. There are incredible worlds out there seemingly unknown to you. Good luck.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            You described a dream of my parrot Pa:co, when he is drunk.

          • Robbie

            Trust me, it’s no dream. I would, however, caution you about discussing dreams – or anything at all – with your parrot.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            I am doubt. My parrot is VERY intelligent and he is allergic to the senseless liberals.

          • Robbie

            You are doubt? What the heck does THAT mean? Anyway you may find when talking to your parrot that he/she is “VERY intelligent” but that may tell us more about YOUR intelligence than the intelligence of the parrot.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Robbie, you could not thrust your profoundly insightful and philosophical thought into one comment?
            What a waste of the space and time.

          • Robbie

            I’m grateful for the “space and time” you used to caution me about the wasting of space and time.

          • Robbie

            “I am doubt.” What on earth does that mean? (Anyway your parrot probably thinks the same thing about you!)

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            My parrot is VEEEERY sensitive to stupidity. He would not survive in the condition of stupidity.

          • Robbie

            He’s done O.K. so far.

          • Robbie

            What does “I am doubt” mean?

          • JeffH

            Robbie, what you forgot to mention is that she also had 4 legs, a tail and a hump on her back and could slobber and spit at will…go 3 or 4 days without water in the hot desert sun.

          • Robbie

            Ah Jeff, no need to express jealousy. Try to get out into the rest of the world and get some for yourself. You deserve it my friend. You deserve it.

          • JeffH

            Sorry to dissappoint you Robbie but I’m just not into slobbering over 4 legged females or males or animals let alone having sex with them, blonde or otherwise.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Robbie,
            Judging from your previous comments, you don’t have the slightest clue what “real freedom” is.
            Hint: it ISN’T the ability to help yourself to somebody else’s money and choices any time you please.
            Robbie says — “I suggest you get out more”.
            A typical Liberal Progressive attempt at manipulation (ridicule in this case). You haven’t got the foggiest idea how much I get out, Robbie, and to act like you do just shows the level of your desperation to win an argument.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Dave, Robbie doesn’t want Freedom. He is happy just to have the security the government will give him and I am not talking about SS.
            Freedom has a cost and an uncertainty of outcomes, Robbie and his kind wouldn’t be able to handle Freedom.

          • Don 2

            Sounds more like a freak show! You should all move to S.F. with flowers in your hair…..

          • Robbie

            Oh you have no idea you poor sod. So trudge on with your horse blinkers firmly in place until the day you finally drop dead from the pure tedium of what you call a life.

          • real talk 1

            Say fellows lets save all that anger and energy for the left and these illegals because if we don’t we won’t have anything to fight for or with.

          • Don 2

            What part of “it has already been proven that there was no protest prior to the attack on Benghazi” are you having trouble understanding? Do you have a liberal mental block?

            If Islamic protest organizers at other locations heard about the video, it was because the U.S. Embassy in Egypt put out an apology for the “video that nobody saw” before anything had even occurred, and except for the Obama regime, nobody else was even talking about this trailer. It’s funny, I’m running 8 televisions and 3 computers, and I still haven’t seen this video trailer.

            You made reference to a story regarding a U.S. soldier burning a Koran, and then proceeded to ramble on about how rioting could happen in many other places at virtually any moment. So, what’s your point?

            You state, “Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of just about everywhere.” What do you mean? Are you talking about closing down the U.S. embassy in Ottawa, Canada, pulling troops out of Korea, or what?

          • Robbie

            Protest, riot, attack, demonstration… whatever. Call what happened whatever you like. Are you happy now? Nobody cares that much what you call it. We all know the sad result. (By the way word of this video did, indeed, trigger nasty results all over the mid east and beyond.) Have a nice rest of the day although you probably have other plans.

          • Don 2

            One more time Robbie. The Obama regime, through the U.S. Embassy in Egypt, put out the word via an apology, that there even was a movie trailer…..which nobody saw.
            Robbie, do yourself a favor. Tonight at 10 P.M. Eastern on FOX News, “Benghazi – The Truth Behind The Smokescreen.” Watch it, and get yourself out of the “Ignorant About Benghazi Column.”

          • Robbie

            Fox “News”? You must be kidding. Most of those folks – especially Hannity – lie through their teeth at least 50% of the time. You need news sources that are reality based.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And what “facts” are those, Robbie?

          • Robbie

            Here’s what to look for – and you’ll find it in the major networks and even (if you can believe it) Al Jazera. Look for the networks that consistently have voices from various sides of an issue. What I find so amusing about Fox “News” is that when they interview Senators or Congressmen they are almost ALWAYS Republicans. You can bet money on it. Plus with Fox they make no effort at all to pretend they are nothing but Liberal bashers. When Obama went on a trade mission with hundreds of American businessmen to promote American products Fox forgot to mention the purpose of the trip and who was on it. Fox made it sound like a pleasure trip and claimed it was costing hundreds of millions of dollars a day and other nonsense. You can also look and decide if a network hires news readers and commentators based on knowledge and language skills. Did you ever notice that on Fox 99.9% of the women are tall long haired blondes who wear skirts short, short skirts and are mostly placed at the ends of tables so that male viewers can keep their eyes peeled on their legs?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I quit watching Fox when they took Judge Napolitano’s show off the air, so I’m certainly no expert, but when I watched Hannity’s shows in the past he always had a balanced array of personalities on. Some that made me want to scream.
            The reason they seem unbalanced to you, Robbie, is that you’re used to watching the Liberal Progressive Propaganda channels where they only allow Liberal Progressives to say their piece.

          • Don 2

            You got to be gay!

          • Robbie

            I’m not sure what sexual orientation has to do with what I wrote but for what it’s worth I am not gay. Anyhow if you have something relevant to say about my comments you are free to do so.

          • Don 2

            Stay Stupid….I really don’t care. Just don’t waste my time in the future, trying to argue about something of which you are clueless.

          • Robbie

            I’m clueless? I guessed you missed the several clues and outright facts I posted. Perhaps you don’t know what a clue is. Try to brush up on that. Of course if you would rather not reply to my information I guess you don’t have to. Come to think of it I don’t recall requesting your views at all.

          • Don 2

            Robbie, what are you smoking? This whole exchange started because you asked me three questions, remember? lol

          • Robbie

            Nothing. Yes.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Easy for you to say, Robbie, but do you have any evidence whatsoever for that claim, or are unsupported ad hominem attacks all you have?

          • Robbie

            The most incredible example of all time was from the aformentioned Hannity show. Hannity comes on screen and announces that President Obama has declared a whole set of new taxes. Then he frowns and asks his viewers if they can believe how horrible that is, how nasty is this Obama fellow raising taxes! They even play a video clip and, sure enough, words to that effect come out of the Presidents mouth. I’m sure right wing types who hate the smart black guy in the White House ate up that report and repeated it at work and at the dinner table.

            But wait just a second. It seemed fishy to me. So after digging a bit on the internet I find the news conference where the President made that statement. But it was just a tad different than what Hannity showed his gullible listeners. Hannity started the clip several words into the President’s statement! Hannity left off the crucial beginning of what the President was saying. The real statement began with Obama noting that some particular policy stance by the GOP was going to result in taxes going up. But Hannity dropped that part and started his video just as the President says Taxes would go up making it look like the President was raising that tax. I wish you could see the two clips Totally amazing. A couple of days after the initial viewing the great Hannity gave an apology for what he had done to totally distort the quotation. Of course the apology took about 15 seconds or less and the damage had already been done.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That may be true, Robbie (I’m no fan of Republicans), but all we have from you is your word, and that has proven not to be reliable. What you need to do is hunt up the clips for both situations so the readers can judge for themselves.

          • Robbie

            You are correct and I will try to do that. Hopefully you’ll get to see it if I do. We are having our holiday long weekend up here so it must wait till Tuesday at the least.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Try supporting your claims immediately in your current posts, Robbie. It’s an all too common technique of Liberal Progressives to throw out unsupported claims hoping that some people will just believe them without investigation.
            Personally, I know that as soon as a Liberal Progressive makes a claim it’s probably not true. In fact, usually when a Liberal Progressive makes an unusual claim, I know that it’s not a waste of my time to investigate his claim with the goal to prove him wrong.

          • Robbie

            Go to You Tube. Search for Obama raises taxes or Hannity lies about tax increases or words to that effect. Then you’ll see how Hannity edited the President’s word to make the message the OPPOSITE to what the President actually said. Believe it or not but Hannity even apologized after his clumsy lie was caught.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yeah right, Robbie. You made the claims, it is your responsibility to back them up when asked.
            This is a typical Progressive ploy, folks. They know that most people aren’t going to take the time to research whether or not their claims are false. They’re hoping that you will just take their word for it. Blindly accepting the word of a Progressive is a big mistake.

          • Robbie

            Did you not read my most recent posting? You asked for proof and I have indicated how you can see the Hannity twisted fabrication of the President’s words. Now you are still asking for proof so I can only tell you to follow my You Tube instructions above and see for yourself. I hope others reading this will look at it also. It’s really neat to see Hannity lying in action with your very eyes. Failing that, Dave, the only other alternative would be for me to show up at your door and pull up the video on You Tube myself but I’d rather save those travel expenses. Actually there is another alternative which seems like the one you will, indeed, take: ignore seeing it with your own eyes and just go on thinking whatever Fox tells you. Knock yourself out.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Are you telling us, Robbie, that you are intelligent enough to tell us we’re wrong, but not intelligent enough to look up your own sources and post a link for us?
            As I said, if you are making a disputed claim, the burden is on you to back it up (if you can which I doubt).

          • Robbie

            Just go to You Tube as per my instructions. You should be able to find it within 45 seconds. Failing that give me your address and I’ll make travel plans. (Methinks you don’t really want to see your hero Hannity in lying mode.)

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Hannity is not my hero. I am a Libertarian. We believe in Free Markets, strict property rights, Limited Government, Individual Liberty, and Personal Responsibility.
            As I said, it is your claim, you look it up and post the link for us. That should be easy for you given that you claim to be “smart”, and can find it in “45 seconds”.
            I don’t need to give you my address. You’re the CIA guy, so look it up yourself.

          • Robbie

            I knew you didn’t want to see the truth.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Your tactics are so, well, Flashmanesque. Or are they just typical techniques being promulgated by your trainers?
            Dazzle us with your “smart”s, Robbie, and provide those links.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Your tactics are so, well, Flashmanesque. Or are they just typical techniques being promulgated by your trainers?
            Dazzle us with your “smart”s, Robbie, and provide those links.

          • Robbie

            Here we are with the proof. Go to YouTube and type in: Taxes to go up substantially. Watch what the president actually said and then watch how Hannity chopped the comment in half which totally changed the meaning. This is how Fox “news” operates. In this case Hannity did apologize on screen after his distortion was revealed.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            Hannity , beck , ect are all in the pocket of the zionest , they worry more about iseral then America !

          • Robbie

            That’s because they are these Christian zealot types who want Jesus to come back to the Holy Land and all that stuff. They also believe that Israel is the only democratic, enlightened, and advanced country in the middle east which, when you think about it, is true.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Please name another “democratic, enlightened, and advanced country in the middle east”
            But please do not name some DEMONcratic country.

          • Robbie

            Israel is the only one whether you like it or not.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            I like it, Robbie.
            Finally we agree on something.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Oh gee, such damning praise.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Whatever their beliefs are, Robbie, they are making an effort to learn morality and to treat their fellow humans respectfully, that is — Not to steal other peoples’ money using Government as their proxy Thieves, and not to Force their pet peeves on other people using Government as their proxy Forcers.
            I wish I could say the same for you Liberal Progressives.

          • Robbie

            As Jesus himself put it: Render unto Caesar. Or do you not believe in following the word of Jesus, your Lord?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Actually, he is not. I’m an atheist.
            What has Jesus got to do with anything anyway?
            Are you refuting that Government is made of people who have no more right to break the laws of morality than anybody else?

          • Don 2

            After the Little Satan is taken out, next target is the Big Satan. Yo, JTG, you are the Big Satan!

          • JeffH

            He’s a real piece of work isn’t he? Think he might be related to the Grand Poobah or Joseph Mengele?

          • Bob666

            Well Don,
            On occasion-we do agree on something.

          • Don 2

            I know. It’s starting to scare me too.

          • Bob666

            Well Don,
            I have found that a little fear helps a man stay in touch with reality and reality is not a common thread on this site.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Good for them because they get a blessing and America gets blessed in the process.

          • JeffH

            Robbie says “Fox “News”? You must be kidding. Most of those folks – especially Hannity – lie through their teeth at least 50% of the time. You need news sources that are reality based.

            OK…and you know this for a fact?

            Did Ed Schultz tell you?

            Did Chrissy Matthews tell you?

            How ’bout Keith Olbermann, did you get it from him?
            Was it Susan Rice?

            Media Matters? The Democratic Underground? Occupy Wall Street? The Tea Party?

            Really, I’m dying to know. C’mon Robbie, tell the board where you really got your Bengazi talking points from.

          • Robbie

            I am a paid C.I.A. operative contracted to mess with your tiny mind. There, now you know the truth do to your excellent detective work!

          • JeffH

            Several reasons why I don’t believe you.

            1. You’re incapable of messing with anybody’s mind except maybe your own.

            2. I doubt that the CIA pays for or contracts stupid

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Well, it could be true. The facts are that Socialism is unsupportable, so no amount of intelligence could convince intelligent people otherwise.

          • Robbie

            Your previous posting suggested that I was getting marching orders from someone/someplace above so I decided to just admit it. Now you reverse yourself and say I am not under contract to anyone. Please make up your mind and tell us which you think it is.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So, Robbie, are you saying your claim is the truth?

          • Robbie

            Look up the word sarcasm. Pretend you’re watching The Factor.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So, you’re telling us that your claim was a joke? If so, how can we tell when your other nonsense is stated in jest?
            I told you I quit watching Fox. And I quit watching Bill O’Reilly a long time ago.

          • Robbie

            Look, I made one joke just to poke some fun at some dope who thought I was being paid by the CIA or somesuch. Try to get over it. [P.S.: what’s the going rate right now to be a dupe of the CIA? I hear the pay might be pretty good].

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Funny, I couldn’t find anybody’s comment where it was claimed that you were being paid by the CIA except for your own comment.
            Misinformation has been a well-known technique for Progressive (or Socialist) operatives throughout modern history. It’s funny that your comment was so appropos. Could you really be an agent, and made your comment with a sense of irony?
            Only you, of course, really know that. But it is strange that you should be hanging on to a Benghazi story that was thoroughly discredited a long time ago.

          • Robbie

            No, there was someone who claimed that I was paid to make the comments that I do. It’s not true but I decided to have a bit of fun with it. Fact is that anyone on this site can make any claim about themselves that they want and deny any accusations as well for that matter. That’s why I usually just say what I honestly believe and folks can take it or leave it.

          • JeffH

            Ignoramus Progressive Robbie, I think I was pretty clear in what I think…Talking points!

            I’ll repost this for the ignorant progressives and liberals like Robbie that seem to struggle with the ability to comprehend.

            com·pre·hend
            [ kòmprə hénd ]
            – understand: to grasp the meaning or nature of something

          • Robbie

            Jeff: you seem confused and unsure of what you have written. You must be under stress. Would I be correct about that?

          • JeffH

            No confusion and no stress on my part but I do recognize an incorrect ignoramus when I read one.

            Why did you edit your “bah, bah ,bah” comment?
            Did you think nobody would be able to understand your liberal speak?

            What’s this world coming too? Next you’ll be getting a new bell for your collar and a nose ring.

          • Robbie

            Thank you Jeff. Get better soon.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You must spend a lot of time listening to Hannity otherwise how would you know if he lies or tells the truth. But I have an idea that you don’t listen to Hannity but your handlers tell you what to say about Hannity. So you and your handlers are bearing false witness which is lying and then more lying.

          • Robbie

            Of course I do watch Hannity and several of the of the others on Fox. I also watch the reality based news networks. I watch Fox for two reasons. Firstly it is important to know what the right wing loonies are being fed “information” wise. Secondly the Fox approach to events is often quite comical. By the way who are these “handlers” you are referring to?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I find your substanceless, manipulative comments to be less than “comical”.

          • Robbie

            O.K. You’re not the first person to tell me that – when it comes to comedy – I need new material. So I’ll work on that. I already watch Jay Leno most nights but I find that come next day I can’t remember any of the jokes. Do you ever have that problem with joke telling? I bet you have some pretty good material. Care to share? Or is it true that in your quest to be a stand up comedian the only part you’ve got so far is the standing up bit?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thank you for being so “respectful”.
            I find most Progressives to be vile, advantage-seeking, pushy humans who have no qualms at all about forcing their pet peeves on other people. There is nothing that I find funny about that.

          • Robbie

            I’d say that the right wing loonies who hope to force women who want an abortion to have vaginal probes and other indignities are a bit on the pushy side as well! It’s kind of odd that Conservatives want government ‘out of our face’ and yet want to literally stick their nose up womens’ vaginas.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Because you say so, Robbie? Remember, you have no credibility on this board.

          • Robbie

            I don’t mean to be rude to you but the fact is you are incredibly incorrect. I happen to have a great deal of credibility on this board.

          • Robbie

            I’d like to see you use more appropriate and respectful language. Also I don’t think the private sexual orientation of anyone other than yourself is any of your business. You seem to have some mental issues over sex.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What we’d like to see from you, Robbie, is less hypocrisy.
            Anybody, who wants to take the time to read your comments, can see that they are laced with ad hominem attacks, which is the typical course for Progressives who have no factual basis for their comments.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I found your comment to by hypocritical. You know — The Pot Calling the Kettle Black.

          • Robbie

            Oh dear me.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More on the Benghazi attack:
            http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50650

            What’s it feel like, Robbie, to be such a heavily Propagandized dupe? Or is it shill?

          • Robbie

            I feel great. Thanks for asking.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yeah, they heard about it from the Obama Administration who wanted to cover up the true story about the events in Bengazi.
            http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50586
            http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/site/article/benghazi-will-hillary-be-charged-with-obstruction-of-justice

          • Robbie

            Your comment is false news.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Please support your Donkey-ish rent/hee-haw.

          • Robbie

            What on earth are you talking about?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Do you need interpreter from English to the Donkey-ish?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Because you say so, Robbie? You’ve got no credibility on this board, Robbie.

          • Robbie

            Actually according to informed opinion I have more than credibility than you do but thanks for your comment anyway.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yeah, right, LOL.

          • Robbie

            Like, ya…

        • mnkysnkle

          Try…..”months before Benghazi”. Be careful, the pabulum they’re feeding you is made with GMO’s.

        • JeffH

          Inflamatory video that sparked riots?
          OMG! ROFLMAO!

          Knock, knock
          Who’s there?
          Robbie!
          Robbie who?
          Robbie who still belives his WH memo!

          Forrest Gump was right! Robbie’s comment is living proof that “Stupid is as stupid does”!

    • Native Blood

      I guess that your tax contribution share is of no significance or you wouldn’t be so happy to see others have to pay more to feed, clothe, educate, medicate, tolerate crimes, disease from a neighboring country’s illiterate political impoverished push-outs. (no fewer than 30 million) You find humor in that because republicans will suffer? The joke may very well be upon you if you are not prepared. I believe you do know what I mean. Habla espanol cabron?

    • TheOriginalDaveH
    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Alex,
      How would you class yourself? Liberal? Progressive? Liberal Progressive? Socialist? Communist?

    • Jimmy the Greek

      I hate to say this ,however you got most of it right !

    • Don 2

      Just like you anti-gun/unarmed libs will RUN with your tails between your legs and suitcases stuffed with cash, hoping one day to return.

  • KG

    BHWAHAHAHAHA!! Yous guys! Is G-d still speaking to you? As Machiavelli noted

    “….Irresoulte princes, to avoid present danger, usually follow the way of neutrality, and are mostly ruined by it.”

    Want some cheese for that “whine”???

    • FreedomFighter

      A Russian friend of mine said this (paraphrasing)

      “When we found out who the “KGB rats” where they had fatal accidents or disappeared.”
      I guess we all have our hero’s KG.
      laus DeoSemper FI

      • KG

        Sounds like your hero must have been this good christian soldier. http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007060

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Nice try, KGB, but the word Nazi was short for National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Get it? Socialists, Workers. Anybody who is familiar with the violence of Union psychopaths can understand what I’m saying.

          • KG

            National Socialism is a racist, class-based, nationalist type of socialism. Just as capitalism is a type of socialism. The only thing socialism implies is a type of social arrangement. You can talk about monarchism, republicanism, e.t.c. and still be discussing ‘social’ systems. National Socialism is a type of social order where preservation of one’s race or “nationality’ must be preserved. This was done by the Nazis in Germany through a fascist type of governing, where the interests of nation-wide businesses were connected to the government. Something Eisenhower warned us about in 1960.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Capitalism (Free Markets) is not a type of Socialism, KGB. Who are you trying to kid? It is the polar opposite of Socialism.
            You’re going to have to take that BS to your DailyKos where the readers are more gullible.

          • KG

            Pick up a ‘social studies’ textbook and look up Capitalism (Free Markets).

            Definition of SOCIAL

            3: of or relating to human society, the interaction of the individual and the group, or the welfare of human beings as members of society

            Definition of -ism

            3 a : doctrine : theory : religion
            b : adherence to a system or a class of principles

            Is not capitalism relating to human society as a doctrine?

    • hippybiker

      The usual rant from you that makes absolutely no sense.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      You have achieved Troll status, KGB.

    • real talk 1

      Well just make sure you save these soon to be unemployed senators some.

    • Don 2

      Thanks to the Democrats, the Senate immigration bill contains a provision creating a tax penalty of nearly $5,000.00 for employers who hire U.S. Citizens or legal immigrants, but the penalty does not apply to those in Registered Provisional Immigrant status. If this bill ever does get legs, it looks like any of your family members and relatives will be Sh*t-Out-Of-Luck as far as getting a job due to the additional expense to employers. I’ll have some cheese with that Union whine! ;)

  • FreedomFighter

    Big Immigration Mistake — those inside the beltway are out of touch with America, its past time for the American people to stand up and be counted — its past time for a march on DC and state capitols, its past time for Americans to STAND UP.

    I don’t know what person(s) or organization(s) can pull it off, but we Americans need to organize a Million Man March on Washington DC listing grievances against the Obama Regime and demand action. I believe this show of numbers and determination will slow or stop the insanity now gripping our leadership in DC.
    This Million Man March idea has been floating around the internet for months,,. its high time for its implementation.
    Laus DeoSemper FI

    • Don 2

      When The Government Takes The Fifth – Tyranny Is Already Here!

    • Jimmy the Greek

      The last time somthing like that was tried they got shot ! googel bonus army !

    • real talk 1

      We have to stick to what we say and fire these guys if not for ourselves our children

  • Robert Courtney

    chip chip chip.
    The Senate Immigration bill was passed on June 27.
    Your article is June 28.
    Yet you talk like it hasn’t happened yet.
    it’s too LATE for Rubio to come back to his base. The only thing left is for him to turn Democrat like Crist.

    Oh, he’ll try, make no mistake about that. He’s was actually trying at the same time he was voting yes for this pig of a bill, and whining on the Senate floor.

    But, it ain’t happening, he’s damaged goods to any conservative who is paying attention.
    And there is 3.5 years for those conservatives to educate the ones not paying attention, now.
    Watch and see.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      That’s odd. Somebody needs to reread Chip’s article. He clearly states that — “No matter. The bill was approved yesterday by a vote of 68-32, followed by a ton of self-congratulation among the victorious Senators. The measure now goes to the House of Representatives, where it will face a much tougher battle”.

  • boatman99

    Once again, we have experienced that there is not such a thing as a “good politician” there are bad or less bad politicians. Narco Rubio is one of the worst politicians, I knew it from the start, he was a new politician so he looked a little naive but he is a fast learner. He knows that in politics in the US, to get ahead he must play along. Now, why is everybody so worked out about, including you Chip, securing the borders for illegal Workers? All the US has to do is take out the incentives. No free education, no free health care, no handouts or welfare, their parents must show elegibility to apply for any kind of government handout. Enforce the borders for criminals but for somebody that wants to come here and pick up my vegetables, let them come, pay them a fare salary and let them pay taxes, I dont want to pick up vegetables and I’m sure nobody in this forum neither. Am I worried about an immigrant taking my job? No im not, i’ll be damned to be worried about a disadvantage no english speaking immigrant from across the border to take my job, if he does, i’m not good enough for the job. What i’m worried about is that I heard that buried inside this bill is an implanted RFID chip mandate that every person must have in order to get a job, Does anybody knows anything about this?

    • mnkysnkle

      They’ve been trying to implement a biometric ID by introducing it into several bills as amendments presented in the house. “Obamacare, Dream Act, National ID. etc..” They wont give up until they can slip it into something. The latest vessel, of course is the Immigration Reform bill. It will carry all your biological information, DNA, retinal scan, etc in a national ID with an embedded RFID chip, that everybody will be required to have. If you don’t have one, you can’t do business or get a job. This is aimed directly at only American citizens and has nothing to do with immigration reform. Rand Paul and Ted Cruz have recently talked about it, as did Ron Paul during his campaign. This is a full scale monitoring system and Orwellian to say the least. But you already have this technology in your smartfone. One way or another we will all be put under surveillance. As you already know, the NSA is well on their way in this effort. The representatives who constantly keep re-introducing these assaults on the constitution should be removed, tried, and held accountable for their acts of treason.

  • Alex

    Howl come Fright Wingers accept the notion that “90 per cent” of Amerikans disapprove of the Immigration Reform bill yet deny that a similar percentage favor tighter restrictions on guns?

    Remember, it was the GOP and their Faux News, Kock Bros, and Flat Earth Society sycophants that continuously ignored the FACT that TWO-THIRDS of the voters wanted to let the Bush Tax Cuts expire for those making more than a quarter of a million dollars per year. Survey after survey conveyed that message, which even rang true for the bulk of REPUBLIKANS!

    Make up stats to back your baloney while denying stats that have been compiled through ACTUAL research—–no wonder Conservatives in general and the GOP in particular are in their death throes…

    • Native Blood

      Guns can be controlled by their owner. You can’t do that with a taco bender.

      • Alex

        What is a ‘taco bender’?

        • Native Blood

          Probably a beneficiary of the latest Amnesty bill.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            That To !

          • real talk 1

            OH I wouldn’t doubt these guys being paid off but the real deal of this is they don’t believe we will fire them not one thinks that they have a problem.

        • Jimmy the Greek

          One who rolls most of what they eat into a taco !

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Do you have evidence for your claims, Alex?
      Suppose though that Alex was correct about the number of people favoring gun control. Suppose that the people who thought blacks should be deported outnumbered those who thought they should be allowed to stay? Would that somehow make such an event right?
      Should a majority of people be allowed to break the main law of the land (the Constitution)? Should a majority of people be allowed to render us defenseless against random violence? Should a majority of people be allowed to make us defenseless against tyranny?

    • Anti-Unamerican

      Alex we are not a democracy fool. We are a Republic. Learn the difference.

  • Da Buda Masta

    This is the best joke ever to come out of the Tea Party movement. Halleluyeah, Praise the lord and pass the ammunitions.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      No response due to lack of intellectual content. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      No response due to lack of intellectual content. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    The fact is that immigration is low on the list of priorities for the average “Latino” voter.

    Republicans, who voted for the bill, including “good boy” Marco, will face push-back from their base, including Latinos.

  • Diana

    What did he mean,when he said Hard to deal with the anger from the people I agree with on Virtually every other issue. He did agree he was against amnesty.Now he’s not.Hey Rubio when your a liar you will have people pissed at you. So either stop being a liar or get used to the anger. You should be kicked out of office for deceiving your supporters.

  • Diana

    For the parts of the bill that address work visa’s.Here’s something to think about, unemployment is at a high,that clearly shows we don’t need any outside workers.All jobs should be going to americans first.This is a bunch of crap.We are to take care of our own First,Last,and Always!!!!! This is supposed to be America ,let’s get back to being that instead of an all inclusive resort for illegals.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Who are “our own”? I live in Arizona. Should I only root for Arizonans? Why are some people more deserving just because of their proximity to us, or their nationality?
      What is crap is that so many people are falling for the typical solutions that Leaders offer — that is, anything that gives them more Power.
      Why weren’t we having these illegal problems 100 years ago? Could it be that Welfare and other Government programs, such as taking money from the producers and giving to the non-producers, weren’t mucking up our economy? Could it be that the Leaders hadn’t first brainwashed the citizens into believing that they were the solution to all our problems?
      Tear that ring out of your noses, and start thinking for yourselves before it’s too late for all of us.

      • Diana

        I don’t get what your talking about. Are you telling me you think arizona isn’t part of America?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          No. I’m saying that boundaries have nothing to do with whether people are deserving of help or not. This whole “raw! raw! raw!” thing is where the Leaders want you to be, instead of thinking like a thoughtful individual human being. As I’ve said repeatedly, the undesirable conditions have been created by Government taking advantage of certain classes of people to buy votes from the other classes. It’s all about the Leaders, and until you figure that out, you’ll be floundering directionless in the wilderness.
          It doesn’t matter to me whether they’re Mexicans or Canadians, or Americans. I don’t want people (Government) stealing my money to give to people I don’t want to give to. I am the only one who has the moral right to determine who should get my help. Nobody has a right to ride on my unwilling shoulders, no matter how much misfortune they are suffering.
          And the fact of the matter is that throughout history such a course (forced charity) has resulted in moral hazards (look it up) that have contributed greatly to the downfall of any country that practiced it. Of course, the Leaders always do okay until the people get fed up and desperate and revolt.

      • rbrooks

        cheap labor immigration has been an ongoing concern in this country for over a 100 years.

        it is only a new issue to you.

        let us know when you finally get your road built. or the bridge. or the electric service to your house.

        you give the typical response to distribution of created wealth. never realising that is the real problem.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Feel free to list your sources, rbrooks.
          A little evidence might make you look a little less like the factless Progressive that you are.

          • rbrooks

            you must have failed american history. you were probably home schooled.

            railroads and manufacturing. try reading about it.

            nothing will make you any less of the gop sheep you are.

            you act like progression is bad.

            are you upset you can not own slaves. or does it bother you that you have treat women as equals.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            rbrooks says — “you must have failed american history. you were probably home schooled”.
            Another ad hominem attack. Do you have anything real to say rbrooks? Do you realize how ignorant your comments look?

            rbrooks says — “railroads and manufacturing. try reading about it”.
            And that demonstrates what? Certainly not any kind of intelligence on your part.
            I have read about it. Have you? Start here:
            http://mises.org/journals/scholar/internal.pdf

            rbrooks says — “nothing will make you any less of the gop sheep you are”.
            Nothing will make you appear any less ignorant than you do, rbrooks. I have made no statements to indicate that I support Republicans. And I don’t.

            rbrooks says — “you act like progression is bad”.
            Progression isn’t bad. Progressivism is bad. But how would I expect an ignoramus like yourself to get that distinction?
            Bullies (Progressives) forcing their way on other people rarely results in desirable conditions.

          • rbrooks

            Less Pay
            The Chinese teams were organized into
            groups of 20 under one white foreman; as the difficulty of construction
            increased, so often did the size of the gangs. Initially, Chinese
            employees received wages of $27 and then $30 a month, minus the cost of
            food and board. In contrast, Irishmen were paid $35 per month, with
            board provided.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Diana, the TODH objects to have the government act as the caregiver and caretaker and benevolent uncle. That is not the government’s job description.

      The understanding is that families take care of their own or they are worse than an infidel. The principle this came from was that families in the apostle’s time were dumping their family members and widows on the churches to take care of.

      Same kind of behavior brought on the government taking over taking care of people, just that government enslaves people.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    First of all, I’d like to say that I am foursquare against giving amnesty to law breakers. Having said that, I think the whole immigration thing has been blown out of proportion by people who desire to increase their Power and further subjugate us. We, as responsible citizens, need to carefully ponder the issues and be smarter than they think we are. If we don’t, we will surely end up under a dictatorship that will be the envy of all other dictators.

    Big Government has created all the conditions that have led to the mess we’re in today, and MORE Big Government is NOT the solution!

    If we want our country back and if we want the illegals to not be able to take advantage of other people, the solution is simple — Roll back the size of Government. It is claimed that illegals can get Free Medical Care, Welfare, etc., but why is that? Why isn’t the Government offering to cure the disease rather than treating the symptoms? The disease is Socialism. More Socialism isn’t going to cure the disease.

    There should be no such thing as Government sponsored Welfare or Free Medical Care. No human being has a right to ride on another human’s unwilling shoulders, no matter their affliction. I don’t care if they’re Mexicans or Americans. That is strictly the realm of Private Voluntary Charity.

    We are in a mess right now, because so many people have bought into the Leaders’ siren song, when in fact the reality is that Leaders will tell you anything to keep their positions of Power. Break the spell. Start reading and thinking thoughts that they don’t want you to know.

    Here are some good places to start:
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul844.html
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul269.html
    http://lewrockwell.com/berwick/berwick25.1.html

    • rbrooks

      the disease is not socialism. this country would not have the current infrastructure without socialism.
      you have been riding on the backs of all of those who came before you.
      now that it is your turn to pay in, you want to complain.

      abusing socialism has become a problem. the vast majority of that abuse has come from the very folks and policy’s you have been supporting.

      if you are going to use rockwell, you might as well add beck to your ‘credible’ source list.

      i did find the rockwell propaganda article on child labor to be really amusing. almost as amusing as the fools who believed it.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Wow, have you got it backwards, rbrooks. We would have more (much more) without Socialism. Infrastructure in Socialist land:
        http://archive.mises.org/17830/road-shortage-in-socialist-paradise/
        More on that subject:
        http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Private_infrastructure
        All one needs to do is look at the economies of the countries at the bottom of this list to see that Bigger Government (Socialism) doesn’t work:
        http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
        Here’s another source showing similar results:
        http://www.freetheworld.com/2012/EFW2012-complete.pdf
        In fact, without Capitalism, Socialism could not exist because they wouldn’t have anybody’s wealth to steal. Socialism only works until they run out of other people’s money.

        I haven’t ridden on any unwilling backs, rbrooks. I’ve voted for Freedom since I became voting age. You Progressives are the thieves and the enslavers, rbrooks. My kind of people have voluntary associations, contracts, and trade. We don’t Force anybody to do anything they don’t want to do.

        rbrooks says — “abusing socialism has become a problem. the vast majority of that abuse has come from the very folks and policy’s you have been supporting”.
        Because a useless Progressive says so, rbrooks? Please enlighten the readers by telling them what policies I have supported that causes abuse?

        rbrooks says — “i did find the rockwell propaganda article on child labor to be really amusing. almost as amusing as the fools who believed it”.
        Feel free to dispute specifics, rbrooks, and provide evidence to back up your conjecture. But you won’t, because you can’t. That’s why your main weapons of choice are unsupported conjecture and ad hominem attacks.

        • rbrooks

          bigger govt is not socialism.

          it is obvious that you are another of those that have no clue what socialism is.

          socialism is nothing more than a form of economics.

          you are complaining about how it is, or has been, applied.

          we used socialism to fight the british, form this country and to run this country.

          you use socialism daily. nor can you ever show how you, and the rest of this country, could live without socialism.

          not everyone was a willing payer of the taxes, levies and various fees that were used for transportation, schools, water and waste water systems, etc.

          not everyone is a willing payer for the defense budget.

          you are going to build your own roads? provide your own security? defend the country?

          you sound like a combination of ann rand and tom carlyle.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            rbrooks says — “bigger govt is not socialism”.
            Socialism by dictionary definition is Government ownership of the means of production. So of course it results in “Bigger Government”.
            But parsing the word, it means to Socialize, that is to make things a matter of group choice instead of individual choice.
            There are as many desires, hopes, dreams, needs, etc. as there are people. No one size fits all. The surest road to misery is to have the group determine what is best for all individuals in that group. That’s why there is so much turmoil these days — at least half of the people are always pissed off at the reality that the other half wants to make their decisions.
            You can have your miserable world of group-think, rbrooks, but I prefer individuals who make their own choices voluntarily, and only “their” own choices.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Your first sentence is a lie and you just keep propagating lies for the length of the comment.

          • rbrooks

            the size of the govt does not equate to spending.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            rbrooks: “bigger govt is not socialism.”
            “Bigger govt” obviously is the nest for the parazites like you and your fake phony “leader”.

            rbrooks: “socialism is nothing more than a form of economics.”
            Scialism is nothing more than a form of the faikled economics.

            Equality is a myth:
            “A Society, that aims for EQUALITY before the LIBERTY will end NEITHER EQUALITY NOR LIBERTY. And the Society that aims first for LIBERTY, WILL NOT END WITH EQUALITY, but will end with the closer approach to equality. Both are based on the evidences from (across of) history. You only can claim the equality.” – Milton Friedman
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMLjkt87ICo&feature=related

          • rbrooks

            this country was founded using socialism. it has always used socialism.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            rbrooks,
            Do you really think anybody listens to anything you say?
            You have no credibility. You’re just an obnoxious troll.

          • rbrooks

            yahoo puts your replies in the spam folder. even they know you are full of your self.

        • rbrooks

          rockwell’s notion that child labor laws prevent the employment of children. that was hilarious.

          almost as funny as his thoughts that children were a better choice to work in the computer industry.

          his lack of knowledge on why children were finally replaced during the great depression was typical of one who advocates for cheap labor & slave labor. as long as he is not one of the slaves.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            ad hominem attack after ad hominem attack. Do you ever have anything factual to state, rbrooks?
            I sure hope you Progressives that comment on this board aren’t the best they have, because you sure aren’t projecting a very good image of Progressives.
            They need to send at least their “B” team to this site, because you guys don’t have a chance.

          • rbrooks

            you have no plan for how the country will survive without socialism? no?

            you are unable to deal with the facts.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The facts are, rbrooks, that you are either a Progressive Shill, or you are hopelessly ignorant.

          • rbrooks

            the facts show your source for child labor was incorrect. intentionally incorrect.
            still waiting for your plan to run this country without socialism.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            They show no such thing. What they show is that ignorant Progressives like to pass lots of laws and grow Government ever larger, even though history and current events prove that economies grow inversely to the size of Government.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Explain to the innocent readers, rbrooks, why the countries with the least Economic Freedom (biggest Governments) consistently have the worst economies.

          • rbrooks

            sweden, switzerland, costa rica.

            the u.s., canada, mexico.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And that demonstrates what?
            I can still walk when I have a sprained ankle. Does that mean a sprained ankle is beneficial to me?
            Wait, don’t answer that until I can find my barf bag. Extreme ignorance makes me nauseous.

          • rbrooks

            a response to your childish demonstrations

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Seek help. You need it badly.

          • rbrooks

            looking in the mirror.

          • rbrooks

            explain to anyone how you will operate this country without socialism.

            didn’t think so.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Have you noticed, rbrooks, that you consistently garner thumbs down? It’s because your comments are bereft of any kind of logic.
            You’re on the wrong board, rbrooks. You need to go to DailyKos or some other such Liberal site where the people aren’t sophisticated enough to know when they are being drowned in BS.

          • rbrooks

            this is definitely the right ‘wing’ board. it is has many morons like yourself.

            you rail against socialism. you have no idea what socialism is. or have any plan to operate this country without it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Listen to that, a moron calling us names. I think it’s time for your nap, rbrooks.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Dave, rbrooks is a victim of Liberal Vaccination against the COMMON SENSE, which has the long-term Mental and neurological side effects, which led to the Mental
            developmental delay, LDD (Liberal Dyslexia Disorder), attention deficit syndrome and of cause speech disorder.

            He needs psychiatric help. And Good one.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            rbrooks says — “it is has many morons like yourself”.
            Can’t put a proper sentence together, fool?
            Maybe if the Government had let you work when you were a teenager, you would have had a stronger work ethic and learned how to speak proper English.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            “STUPID IS AS STUPID TALKS” – Forrest Gump
            rbrooks, Urgently make an appointment to the Psychiatrist.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            rbrooks, you need a GOOOOD Psycho help as ANY indoctrinated Libtard.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Maybe he is both, which would make him totally lost above the shoulders. Here is something that I hope never happens to this country.
            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-politics/10139278/Hillary-Clinton-just-paved-the-way-for-Chelseas-presidential-campaign.html
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD and be a patriot.
            “The Bible is the chief moral cause of all that is good and the best corrector of all that is evil in human society – the best book for regulating the temporal concerns of men.”
            Noah Webster
            Devout Christian

          • JeffH

            …or both! Yeah, no doubt it’s both!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Have you ever known a country to fail from too much Capitalism, rbrooks? Free people working in Free Markets are head over heels more productive than Socialists who are all biting at each others heels out of jealousy.

          • rbrooks

            depends on whether you are the slave or the slave owner.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Please explain how you, a controlling thieving Progressive, have any legs at all to stand on when accusing others of advocating slavery.
            The system you advocate can only survive by Force, by taking what other people produce — ergo enslaving them.
            You and your ilk are the dredges of society.

          • rbrooks

            explain how you will run the country without socialism.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I wouldn’t. I would let a Free people decide voluntarily who they wanted to trade with, and who they wanted to contract with.
            My country would be Free of Thieving Controlling non-producers like yourself.

          • rbrooks

            who is going to supply the infrastructure to do that.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Who supplies the infrastructure currently, rbrooks? The taxpayers of course — those productive people who you non-productive people steal from.
            If infrastructure was supplied by the private sector it would be done far more efficiently, cost-effectively, and it would have much better structural integrity.
            Some support for that contention:
            http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Privatization

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            For those people who would like to be more knowledgeable than the average Progressive (I know — it isn’t hard):
            http://mises.org/daily/6162/DiLorenzo-Devastates-the-State

          • rbrooks

            your claim is that all of us are willing participants. well, actually, you claim that are able to distinguish who is paying and who is not. and you make the claim that all are willingly paying. the normal factious claim.

            the private sector would never have produced the interstate system. railways. air transport. water, waste water systems. etc.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Because you say so, a guy who can’t even use good grammar?

            rbrooks says — “and you make the claim that all are willingly paying. the normal factious claim”.
            Putting words in my mouth now, or what? It’s hard to tell what you’re trying to say with that poor grammar of yours, rbrooks.

          • rbrooks

            your grammar will not provide any solutions. it has shown your true intent. as well as your inability’s.

          • rbrooks

            btw- selling off what was produced by socialism to private companies, does not prove that any of those private company’s or individuals would have ever accomplished those projects initially.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Here is a video that shows what has happened to our country since we started doing things by the libturds and socialists.
            http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/06/absolute-power-america-vs-government/
            Here is one about Obama bin Laden’s gay sex life.
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/solomon-obama-is-gay-and-a-wannabe-drag-queen/
            Here is a video showing a boy was raped at Obama bin Laden’s Global Prep. Academy.
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/boy-raped-at-barack-obama-global-preparation-academy/
            I guess that this is the world that Obama bin Laden wants for this country. No thanks, for I shall pass. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “The Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children under a free government ought to be instructed. No truth is more evident than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and priviledges of a free people.”
            Noah Webster
            Devout Christian

          • Nadzieja Batki

            What happens to the young wanting to learn how to work. Can’t be done as they cannot be employed because they are classified as children. So when are they supposed to learn how to work since work is the whole of a human’s existence.
            By the way, pretending that you care about humanity is being evil. A rattlesnake at least gives you warning that he is a rattlesnake.
            Your ideology does more harm to a nation because your feelings of caring are not a solid foundation to build a nation upon or sustain for the long haul.

          • rbrooks

            how can you two be so ignorant of child labor laws?

            The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) sets wage, hours worked, and safety requirements for
            minors (individuals under age 18) working in jobs
            covered by the statute. The
            rules vary depending upon the particular age of the minor and the particular
            job involved. As a general rule, the FLSA sets 14 years of age as the minimum
            age for employment, and limits the number of hours worked by minors under the
            age of 16.

            Under the Fair
            Labor Standards Act (FLSA), youths 14 and 15 years old may work outside
            school hours in various non-manufacturing, non-mining, non-hazardous jobs under
            certain conditions.

            Permissible work hours for 14- and 15-year-olds are:

            3 hours on a school day;

            18 hours in a school week;

            8 hours on a non-school day;

            40 hours in a non-school week; and

            between 7 a.m. and 7 p.m., except from June 1 through Labor
            Day, when nighttime work hours are extended to 9 p.m.

            Youth 14 and 15 years old enrolled in an approved Work Experience and Career Exploration
            Program (WECEP) may be employed for up to 23 hours in school weeks and 3 hours on
            school days (including during school hours).

            The FLSA does not limit the number of hours or times of day for workers 16
            years and older.

          • rbrooks

            arizona child labor laws

            A.R.S. 23-233 restricts the hours that youths under the age of sixteen (16) can
            work.

            No one under the age of sixteen (16) can work more than three (3) hours on a school
            day when enrolled in school on a day when school is in session, eight (8) hours
            on a non-school day for a total of eighteen (18) hours per week.

            No one under the age of sixteen (16) can work before 6:00 a.m. or after 9:30 p.m.
            when there is school the next day. When there is no school the next day they can
            work until 11:00 p.m.

            When school is not in session or when the person is not enrolled in school they
            can work eight (8) hours per day for a total of forty (40) hours per week. They
            can not work before 6:00 a.m. or after 11:00 p.m. when school is not in session
            or when the person is not enrolled in school.

            Youths under the age of sixteen (16) can not be employed in solicitation sales or
            door-to-door solicitation after 7:00 p.m.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Oh, swoon, I’m so impressed. The Progressive rbrooks can cut and paste the law.

          • rbrooks

            which is more than rockwell or you were able to comprehend.

            you morons tried to sell a story that children could not be employed.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sorry, rbrooks, but logic is obviously beyond your mental capacity. Now go to the library and read your Dick meets Jane books.

          • rbrooks

            figured you would have to resort to childish antics.

            a typical tactic of the ignorant.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Listen to that, an ignorant name-calling Progressive whining to me about treating him in kind.
            Wah! Are you going to tell mama on me, ignoramus?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            rbrooks, you just proved that “logic is obviously beyond your mental capacity”, which directly points at your
            ignorance as a result of the massive public school brainwashing.

            Continue to vote DEMONcrap, rbrooks.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            rbrooks says — “you morons tried to sell a story that children could not be employed”.

            What the heck are you talking about? Is your drug habit interfering with your synapses?

          • rbrooks

            you must not be reading your own sources.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            rbrooks says — “you must not be reading your own sources”.
            Shades of Flashman. Or do you have the same trainers?
            No the problem is, rbrooks, that you were educated in public schools and didn’t learn how to read.

          • rbrooks

            rockwell was your source

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And?
            Actually, my sources are a lifetime of study. While you were partying with your like-minded ignorant Liberal Progressives, I was learning about life.

          • rbrooks

            a study of ? perhaps you should read your source again.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Have you noticed, rbrooks, that few people approve your ignorant comments?
            It would accomplish nothing for me to debate the points that Lew Rockwell presents in his article, because you aren’t bright enough to know when you’ve been badly beaten.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The fact that you Progressives have no qualms whatever about taking other peoples’ money by Force, belies your claims to be concerned about the welfare of children.
            Is there some magic age at which you lose concern for peoples’ welfare and instead ride on their backs, helping yourself to their earnings?

          • rbrooks

            i have noticed that few people seem to approve or disapprove.

            you are unable to debate any points.
            rockwell claimed that children could not be employed. a lie.

            you can’t even show your plan to operate any country without socialism.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I notice that you didn’t respond, rbrooks, when I asked you to produce the actual Lew Rockwell quote. And for that matter which of his many articles on child labor are you referring to?
            I also realized that when you said — “rockwell claimed that children could not be employed” — what you really meant was “rockwell claimed that children were not allowed to be employed (by the Government)”.

            Maybe if you’d learn proper English, rbrooks, people would place more faith in your reading comprehension skills. But as it is, here is a statement from Wikipedia:

            “The main law regulating child labor in the United States is the Fair Labor Standards Act. In general, for non-agricultural jobs, children under 16 may not be employed, children between 12 and 16 may be employed in allowed occupations during limited hours, and children between 16 and 18 may be employed for unlimited hours in non-hazardous occupations. A number of exceptions to these rules exist, such as for employment by parents, newspaper delivery, and child actors. The regulations for agricultural employment are generally more lenient. Children as young as 12 may be employed unlimited hours outside of school hours with parental permission”.

            So the question any thinking people (that leaves you out, rbrooks) should ask themselves is “Why is it okay for kids to be employed on farms, or by their parents”? If the law was created to protect kids (which it wasn’t) then why don’t those kids get protected?”.
            Of course the answer to that is that the child labor laws weren’t created to protect the kids, they were created to protect certain special interests (like Unions) from competition. In fact, those who do enough reading away from the Propaganda sources will soon learn that the primary function of Government is to stifle competition for their Political Favorites.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            D’oh! :-) :-) :-) FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            They do that, not because there is any harm to young people working, but because the Progressives ignorantly believe the youths are undermining the number of jobs and wages of adults, as if there are a fixed number of jobs in the economy.
            The reality, of course, for anybody with half-a-brain is that the more people who are involved in being productive the better off we will all be.

          • rbrooks

            no one is stopping them from being employed. unless you meant young children.

            you should us this plan of yours that creates so many decent paying jobs.
            it is better to have a working population.

            your plan to bring in a flood of immigrants should really help.

            btw- why did you fleee the discussion on how the gop brought us the patriot act.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            “you should us this plan”?
            What is that? You need badly to take some English classes and learn how to speak.
            I don’t “fleee” anything. I just grow tired of wasting my time with an illogical brainwashed product of Big Government.

          • rbrooks

            so you have no plan. neither does rockwell.

            let me know if you ever figure out how you are going to accomplish your great scheme.

            you are unable to show how the democrats could have ever passed the patriot act without the gop. or little lord bush signing it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You are spouting nothing but conjecture, rbrooks. I shall post again the reality.
            From Wikipedia:
            “The main law regulating child labor in the United States is the Fair Labor Standards Act. In general, for non-agricultural jobs, children under 16 may not be employed, children between 12 and 16 may be employed in allowed occupations during limited hours, and children between 16 and 18 may be employed for unlimited hours in non-hazardous occupations.[1] A number of exceptions to these rules exist, such as for employment by parents, newspaper delivery, and child actors.[1] The regulations for agricultural employment are generally more lenient. Children as young as 12 may be employed unlimited hours outside of school hours with parental permission”.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_labor_laws_in_the_United_States

            rbrooks says — “almost as funny as his thoughts that children were a better choice to work in the computer industry”.
            Anybody with half-a-brain knows that young people typically adapt much more quickly to new technology than do older people. Children, if left unmolested by ignorant Propagandizing Progressives, are very quick learners, especially when they are enjoying what they are doing.

            rbrooks says — “his lack of knowledge on why children were finally replaced during the great depression was typical of one who advocates for cheap labor & slave labor. as long as he is not one of the slaves”.
            How unusual (NOT), an ignorant Progressive projecting his lack of knowledge onto others. There is no reason for children not to be productive. Forcing them to work would be wrong, but preventing them from voluntarily working is just as wrong. Again, anybody with half-a-brain (sorry, rbrooks, that leaves you out) can figure out that the laws weren’t to protect children from being forced to work, or there wouldn’t be exceptions for farm work or working for their parents.

          • rbrooks

            a few states have passed laws stopping the practice of farm child slavery. ks recently passed a similar version.

            i am not surprised that you advocate working children with out paying them.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            rbrooks says — “i am not surprised that you advocate working children with out paying them”.
            Where did I say any such thing, Progressive Troll?
            And don’t think you’re kidding anybody on this board, rbrooks. Progressives could care less about the children. If they did care, they wouldn’t even think of saddling them with the immense debt of the Federal Government which the children didn’t even get a chance to vote against. Progressives use children as a tool to get their Big Government agendas passed. That is all.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        If we didn’t have all these social(ist) programs, our country would be better financially, the people better off, etc., so who are you trying to lie to? Here is a video that shows the dangers of libturdism and socialism.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEUCjEAcsNM
        This was a speech from Ronald Reagan in 1961, but it seems we didn’t listen to him. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 우해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
        “Our citizens should early understand that the genuine source of correct republican principles is the Bible, particularly the New Testiment, or the Christian religion.”
        Noah Webster
        Devout Christian

      • Emerson Hopfmann

        Socialism is the disease! It is theft and slavery. By not understanding that, or worse yet, lying about it, all you are doing is proving that you will never have hemorrhoids,

        • rbrooks

          could just one of you fools that do not understand the word socialism, please show how you are going to fund any govt or the infrastructure with out it.

  • tncdel

    This isn’t about immigration. A foreigner who sneaks into the U.S. to pillage and plunder it economically and otherwise is an INVADER, not an immigrant.

    This is about DOMESTIC NATIONAL DEFENSE against a foreign invasion.

    • Walt

      You’re right my friend, it’s really about much more than we are led to believe!
      Here are a few excerpts taken from Rep. Charlie Norwood’s article

      The Truth About ‘La Raza’ – Posted Apr 07, 2006

      Radical ‘Reconquista’ Agenda

      Behind the respectable front of the National Council of La Raza lies the real agenda of the La Raza movement, the agenda that led to those thousands of illegal immigrants in the streets of American cities, waving Mexican flags, brazenly defying our laws, and demanding concessions.

      Key among the secondary organizations is the radical racist group Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan (MEChA), one of the most anti-American groups in the country, which has permeated U.S. campuses since the 1960s, and continues its push to carve a racist nation out of the American West.

      One of America’s greatest strengths has always been taking in immigrants from cultures around the world, and assimilating them into our country as Americans. By being citizens of the U.S. we are Americans first, and only, in our national loyalties.

      This is totally opposed by MEChA for the hordes of illegal immigrants pouring across our borders, to whom they say:

      “Chicano is our identity; it defines who we are as people. It rejects the notion that we…should assimilate into the Anglo-American melting pot…Aztlan was the legendary homeland of the Aztecas … It became synonymous with the vast territories of the Southwest, brutally stolen from a Mexican people marginalized and betrayed by the hostile custodians of the Manifest Destiny.” (Statement on University of Oregon MEChA Website, Jan. 3, 2006)

      MEChA isn’t at all shy about their goals, or their views of other races. Their founding principles are contained in these words in “El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan” (The Spiritual Plan for Aztlan):

      “In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal gringo invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. … Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. … We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.”

      That closing two-sentence motto is chilling to everyone who values equal rights for all. It says: “For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing.”

      If these morally sickening MEChA quotes were coming from some fringe website, Americans could at least console themselves that it was just a small group of nuts behind it. Nearly every racial and ethnic group has some shady characters and positions in its past and some unbalanced individuals today claiming racial superiority and demanding separatism. But this is coming straight from the official MEChA sites at Georgetown University, the University of Texas, UCLA, University of Michigan, University of Colorado, University of Oregon, and many other colleges and universities around the country.

      MEChA was in fact reported to be one of the main organizers of those street demonstrations we witnessed over the past weeks. That helps explain why those hordes of illegal immigrants weren’t asking for amnesty — they were demanding an end to U.S. law, period. Unlike past waves of immigrants who sought to become responsible members of American society, these protesters reject American society altogether, because they have been taught that America rightfully belongs to them.

      MEChA and the La Raza movement teach that Colorado, California, Arizona, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oregon and parts of Washington State make up an area known as “Aztlan” — a fictional ancestral homeland of the Aztecs before Europeans arrived in North America. As such, it belongs to the followers of MEChA. These are all areas America should surrender to “La Raza” once enough immigrants, legal or illegal, enter to claim a majority, as in Los Angeles. The current borders of the United States will simply be extinguished.

      This plan is what is referred to as the “Reconquista” or reconquest, of the Western U.S.

      But it won’t end with territorial occupation and secession. The final plan for the La Raza movement includes the ethnic cleansing of Americans of European, African, and Asian descent out of “Aztlan.”
      I wonder if Eric Holder and Barack Obama are aware of MEChA’s ethnic cleansing plans for all Africans from “Aztlan” lands.

      To most of the mainstream media, most members of Congress, and even many of their own members, the National Council of La Raza is no more than a Hispanic Rotary Club.

      But the National Council of La Raza succeeded in raking in over $15.2 million in federal grants last year alone, of which $7.9 million was in U.S. Department of Education grants for Charter Schools, and undisclosed amounts were for get-out-the-vote efforts supporting La Raza political positions.

      The Council of La Raza succeeded in having itself added to congressional hearings by Republican House and Senate leaders. And an anonymous senator even gave the Council of La Raza an extra $4 million in earmarked taxpayer money, supposedly for “housing reform,” while La Raza continues to lobby the Senate for virtual open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      People are damning their own future and their children’s futures. The jobs which they should be doing and possibly their children may need to do if they don’t force themselves to get skilled and educated, they are giving away to illegals (oh damn, the Invaders as we should be calling them because that is what they are).

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Here is an article showing what is happening to other countries, but is also happening to America.
      http://www.westernjournalism.com/obamas-alter-ego-a-global-arms-dealer/
      Here is one about starting a 2nd American Revolution.
      http://www.westernjournalism.com/larry-klayman-time-to-wage-a-second-american-revolution/
      Here is an article calling all patriots to their duty.
      http://www.politichicks.tv/column/american-patriots-this-is-your-call-to-duty/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “No one knows the true Godin the real sense of knowledge except through Jesus Christ, for no man comes unto the Father but by the Son.”
      Charles Spurgeon

    • just_reality

      Economic warfare, and aiding and abetting the enemy is…

  • Truth hurts

    Can’t help but wonder what Rubio got in exchange for his change of heart. I guess he got accepted into the liars club with the rest of them in DC. We are a doomed country with no one to trust in any of our leadership positions starting with the greatest liar of all times Obama.

    • ONTIME

      If we could keep a eye on his earnings, income and holdings after he gets unelected, we could find out what he recieved for being a sell out…..

  • just_reality

    A quick summary at why this is happening: this is a corporate initiative that gets them the cheapest labor possible and puts the cost (of public services that will be used by the multi-child illegal aliens) on the taxpayer. In my neighborhood, the banksters are using them to fix up the foreclosed houses for resale.

    But the bigger problem pointed out by Mr. Wood is the grand scale of vote trading and whoring in Washington DC. One solution to that problem is a law stating that no amendment may be added to a bill if it does not have directly to do with the subject of that bill. No earmarks. All bills are voted on based on the bill’s merits alone.

    • Blank Reg

      DownsizeDC.org has promoted the “Read the Bills Act” and the “One Subject at a Time Act” for a number of years now. Perhaps it’s time to dust off these pieces of proposed legislation and give them another look.

      • just_reality

        True enough, the bills are so pork ridden they aren’t even voting on the bill’s original intent, they are voting on their slice of the pork (so why bother reading the whole bill).

  • ONTIME

    Do you realize this unelectable lawyer from Fl. is going to get a adjustable income retirement paid for by WTP for the rest of his useless life?
    There needs to be term limits no retirement…NOW.

    • real talk 1

      These are things that we need to fix but he destroyed his own hide we won’t need him now it’s all up to the democratic party at this point?

  • real talk 1

    Well as we can see it does no good begging the people that you send to Washington it does no good sending donations so I would suggest get up off your knees and tell Rubio it’s over and we don’t’ need you for anything else you can go home and stay home.And tell your good buddies MCcain and Flake like wise.

  • JeffH

    Think this thru for just one moment…Rubio’s “change of heart” on this issue is a good thing, really! This is another shining example of DC politics, particularly for the GOP progressives, switch to becoming a Big Government RINO. Rubio cerainly has POTUS aspirations…despite not being a “natural born citizen” with his 14th Amendment citizenship and the PTB just won’t get behind him if he is stedfast in his(?) conservative and Constitutional principles.

    Rubio has done many of us a favor…call it his “coming out” and letting all of us know the “what you see is what you get”. Can he or will he make a move back to conservatism?

    “A skillful legislator, who intends to serve the common interest and that of the homeland rather than his own and that of his heirs, must use all her industry to attract to itself all the power.”
    – Machiavelli

    …”the end justifies the means”…

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      JeffH: “Can he or will he make a move back to conservatism?”

      Of cause he can, but he has no light in the end of his tunnel.
      He did not “serve the common interest of the HomeLand”, but to
      his own interest.

      Some Chameleons can change their color. He is one of them.
      The Conservatives do NOT trust him anymore.

      His “means” justified his END.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Hello Alondra. Sook Young also says hello. Isn’t it amazing how the people of Florida thought they had elected a person they thought would stand up for them, but then he shows his true colors. Here is an article showing how the government is using illegal immigration to possibly cover their seditious acts.
        http://www.westernjournalism.com/exploiting-illegal-immigration-the-essence-of-sedition/
        Couldn’t Obama bin Laden be up to his wazoo is this? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
        “All the evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery and war, procede from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible.”
        Noah Webster
        Devout Christian

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          He may have been a devout Christian, but Noah Webster was an active proponent of Government schools. Without those propaganda-spewing institutions we probably wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in today:
          http://mises.org/journals/jls/7_1/7_1_3.pdf

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I understand what you are saying, but schools in the 1700’s and 1800’s were a lot different than they are now. They were a lot harder, required more studying, did tests from memorization (No open book or government standardized tests), etc. Here is a video about how our schools were different and how they have changed, thanks to libs and progs.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ish_oHM8Yis
            It is an hour long, but has lots of factual information. Check out the tests they needed to pass 4th – 6th grade. They don’t teach some of those things in high schools today. Many of our students graduate without knowing the questions about the Constitution (The ones listed in the video), but thankfully, I instruct my students on these areas of the Constitution. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            ” No man, whatever be his character or whatever be his hope, shall enter into rest unless he be reconciled to God through Jesus Christ.”
            Rev. John Witherspoon
            Signer of the Declaration of Independence
            Ratifier of the Constitution
            President of Princeton University

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Noah Webster, the Father of American Christian Education & Scholarship, believed strongly that the religion of Christ is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed.

            God used Noah Webster to build the solid foundation of Christian education and scholarship in America, which can ONLY be founded on the Lord Jesus Christ and the Word of God.
            http://www.educateforchrist.org/2012/07/31/comparison-of-worldviews-noah-webster-vs-john-dewey/

            Noah Webster, On the Education of Youth in America:
            “Another defect in our schools, which, since the revolution, is become inexcusable, is the want of proper books. The collections which are now used consist of essays that respect foreign and ancient nations … They cannot be very useful, except to young gentlemen who want them as models of reasoning and eloquence, in the pulpit or at the bar.”

            “But every child in America should be acquainted
            with his own country. He should read books that furnish him with ideas that will be useful to him in life and practice … he should rehearse the history of HIS
            OWN country; he should lisp the praise of LIBERTY, and of those illustrious heroes and statesmen, who have wrought a revolution in her favor.”
            http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch18s26.html

            Webster considered education “useless without the Bible”

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      Marco’s hypocrisy. Listen what he said just 2 months ago.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5Jk4wDSrhI

      • JeffH

        Don’cha just luv modern technology…he can run but he can’t hide.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          2 thumbs down? Are you kidding me? There are people out there who think Leaders shouldn’t be transparent about their real agenda?

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      While the Senate and Congress debate immigration issues, the White House has another visitor with ties to terrorism make a visit. Maybe it is Obama bin Laden’s playmate. We know that Muslim men don’t mind being on the sly.
      http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2013/06/28/another-white-house-play-date-with-muslim-jihad-n1629534/page/full
      Are these the ones they want to let into this country? Let them come up here, for we will give them a proper greeting. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “The religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Christ and His apostles. This is genuine Christianity and to this we owe our free constitutions of government.”
      Noah Webster
      Revolutionary Soldier
      Judge
      Legislator
      Educator
      “Schoolmaster to America”
      Devout Christian

  • JeffH

    The Heritage Foundation – Immigration
    http://blog.heritage.org/tag/immigration/

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Here is the latest from the House. They say they will not pass the immigration bill that was rammed through the Senate.
      http://www.nationalreview.com/article/352255/comprehensive-rejection-jonathan-strong
      Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “The Bible is a book…which teaches man his own individual responsibility, his own dignity, and his equality with his fellow man.”
      Daniel Webster
      Devout Christian

  • rbrooks

    rubio, like so many of the gop and the tea party, counted on being elected by presenting the right image and dancing to the- it is all the liberals and democrats fault- tune.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      It is the liberals and democrats fault and also the Democrats who put on the Republicans clothes.

      • rbrooks

        you keep voting them in.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          We sure did not vote for Obama bin Laden, but yet he is occupying the White House. Since Rubio has turned from being a conservative to being a RINO, the voters are moving for a recall election.
          http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/06/floridians-move-to-recall-marco-rubio/
          I see that the people of Florida are making their voices heard, so why don’t you do the same with those libturd/socialist representatives you have up there? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
          “The moral principles and precepts found in the Scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws.”
          Noah Webster
          Devout Christian

          • rbrooks

            supposedly, no one voted for rubio or little bush either.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Arguement to ridicule. Rubio ended up like Obama bin Laden. People voted for him because of what he said from the soapbox, but now are finding out his true colors. Yes people voted for George W. Bush. Ooops! I forgot about the hanging chad nonsense and libturd/progturd judges not counting 1000’s of absentee ballots by the military. I also remember that if Al “the bore” Gore would have won his home state of Tennessee, Florida would have been irrelevent. But, Al Gore did make U.S. History during the 2000 election. He was the first candidate ever to not win his home state. Care to cite any sources to bacj up what you say or is this just another attempt at duck and cover by someone who has “0” credibility on this site? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “Christ Jesus – the promise of old made unto the fathers, the hope of all Israel (Acts 28:20), the light of the world (John 8:12), and the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth (Romans 10:4) – is the only Savior of sinners, in opposition to all false religions and every uninstituted rite; as He himself says: ‘I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me (John 14:6).'”
            Rev. John Witherspoon

          • rbrooks

            if you loved bush than you must love obama. two of a kind.

            this site defies creditability. look at you.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            First, if you think this site lacks credibility, then you are free to leave any time you wish. Second, you say I have no credibility? Isn’t this kind of like the pot calling the kettle black? Third, they are almost the same. Some of the programs and acts (The Patriot Act) that were started with Bush were strengthened, expanded, and added onto by Obama bin Laden. Then Obama bin Laden added onto the list with his own non-intellectual legislations. Here is a video shwoing the facsist ways of Obama bin Laden.
            http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/video-der-fuhrer-barack-hussein-obama/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “This legislature observing that not withstanding our former oders made for the education of children…there are many persons unable to read the English tongue, and thereby incapable of reading the Holy Word of God or the good laws of this State.”
            Connecticut Literacy Law 1690

          • rbrooks

            you agree that bush and obama are the same.

            you agree that neither you or this site are credible.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            No, I did not agree about the site or myself. I do agree that you are lacking in knowledge on the subject at hand, have been put in your place by Bob Livingston by said lack of knowledge about the subjects and this site, and I also agree that you are just a troll whose voice is muffled in my underware. Now be a good little boy and go to your room. No dinner for you tonight. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “There are no atheists in fox holes.”
            Samurai

          • rbrooks

            lol. your self definition of a patriot is hilarious.

            there were many of us atheists in fox holes. i would not expect you to know that.
            you & bob keep voting those gop crooks into office.

            stop complaining about the results.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            LOL! Just another unfounded rant from someone who has no credibility. Care to cite a source on that? Remember, Obama bin Laden, libs, progs, and RINOS, I never voted into office. I always voted the opposite. It was fools, like you, and the 47% on the government dole that got them into office and re-elected. Neeeeed to be making that popping sound. You seem not to know that much about our history for having a Bachelors in History. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”
            Benjamin franklin
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • rbrooks

            so you did not vote for reagan, bush or bush

          • pat ange

            NONONO you are so wrong!!! Bush may not have been the Best President, but he was a true American and he loves this country. Obama does neither. Jimmy Carter was a wonderful pres, compared to obamanation. he is destroying this country and this immigration bill is a part of his plan. There are hundreds of radical muslims entering U.S. tru Mexico; as well as people from China, India and other countries. So this bill is about much more than amnisty for hispaics. The Quran says if you are not a muslim, you are an INFIDEL; and it is the responceiability of every Muslim in the world to KILL every INFIDEL. The mexicans are being paid big bucks to smuggle these TERROIST into the U,S. So this bill involves much more than what most people know. SO no pres. in our history compares to the OBAMANATION [ to GOD & COUNTRY].

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      If you think that Rubio is a conservative or true republican, I have some land for sale in South Florida. Complete with skeeters, snakes, and gaotrs. How about the part of the bill that would fine employers for hiring Americans instead of immigrants? Another idea from the 5th column.
      http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/06/ted-cruz-expose-amnesty-bill-5000-penalty-for-hiring-citizens-over-leagalized-aliens/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “To the free and universal reading of the Bible…men are much indebted for right views of civil liberty.”
      Daniel Webster
      U.S. Senator
      Secretary of State
      “Defender of the Constitution”
      Devout Christian

  • David Hummel

    Remember this – Here are the Senators that have joined as cosponsors of the amendment: John
    McCain (R-AZ), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Jeff Flake (R-AZ), Kelly Ayotte (R-NH),
    Dean Heller (R-NV), Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Lisa Murkowski (R-AK), Mark Kirk (R-IL),
    Joe Manchin (D-WV), Mark Pryor (D-AR), Mark Begich (D-AK), and Joe Donnelly
    (D-IN). They should not be reelected, They should have been recalled.

  • aldersonjanice@yahoo.com

    Term limits on congress and vote them out. we do not need more people trying to get free money. If they cannot come to America like the rest of the people, than they should not be here. You have just open the door for more to come and put the American people out of work. Or are you looking for more votes. Because you are not looking out for the American people. God help us, to get rid of these fools.

  • nanc

    This is a case of the older senators say to Rubio if you don’t do as I say then we will not do anything for you so Rubio said ok. end. We need to vote him out, people of FL.

  • adrianvance

    Marco Rubio can never be President as his parents were not citizens when he was born.

    See The Two Minute Conservative via Google or: http://adrianvance.blogspot.com and when you speak ladies will swoon and liberal gentlemen will weep.

    • wandamurline

      Why wouldn’t he be eligible….we have someone born in Kenya in the White House right now and Rubio was born on American soil, so that made him a citizen as soon as he took his first breath. This is so ridiculous (anchor babies) because the Constitution says that the parents must fall under “jurisdiction” and since an illegal does not fall under jurisdiction because they are criminally tresspassing, then the baby they drop on our soil should not be considered a US citizen.

      • adrianvance

        Read the Constitution: It clearly states that the candidates parents must both be American citizens. Barack Obama’s father was not and he is not qualified thereby, but there is a strong movement in federal government to disregard the Constitution to the greater wisdom of the elected ruling class. They want to be able to pick and choose which laws they observe including the Constitution.

        • wandamurline

          Sir, I have a copy of the Constitution right in front of my eyes and it says nothing about parents having to be US citizens in the Constitution, itself. However, there was a Supreme Court Decision a long time ago (sorry, I can’t remember exactly when), where the SCOTUS said that the child’s parents need to be American Citizens….but the Constitution does not say that , what it says is this “all persons born or naturalized, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States”. This was put into the Constitution after the Civil War to make sure that babies born to the freed slaves were given citizenship. Our forefathers did not consider what would happen over the 200+ years with immigration….had they thought ahead and said that the parents or at lease one parent had to be a US citizen, then we would not have all the anchor babies. And as I stated before, the illegal parents DO NOT FALL UNDER JURISDICTION because they are not here legally, therefore their offsprings should not be citizens.

          • GerryC

            Actually they did and that is why they were very specific. Read the Federalist Papers. Madison said specifically that the purpose of giving power to the federal government to pass immigration laws was to “promote European immigration tothe United States.” In the first census, congress directed the count should be of certain defined groups “White males over 14 – to determine the size of the militia and eligible voters”, “white males under the age of 14″, “White women -regardless of age”, “Slaves” and “all other free persons”

          • adrianvance

            From About.com, or any one of many such authorities, I read:

            “Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States,”

            Which has been held to mean that both parents must be US citizens in any case. I see where it is arguable, but I can only imagine the Democrats will through a regiment of lawyers armed with this should Rubio win.

  • RDM

    Well if rubio ever does run for higher Office he will NOT get my vote! AS far as I am concerned he shot himself in the foot on this one!

  • wandamurline

    There has been a petition startede in Florida for a recall and in the first day, they got over 8,000 signatures….I would say that they are a little pissed….me also, as I used my computer to help him get elected. We are tired of representatives who lie to us and stab us in the back. If I could sign the petition, I would. The tea parties across America worked tirelessly for this guy to become a Conservative, Constitutional Senator, and he has screwed us. He needs to go and we have to make sure that we remove him as a warning to others…if you lie and become the status quo, we will remove you from office.

  • E. Roman

    I voted for Rubio, and supported his campaign. I expected a Rand Paul or Ted Cruz, but instead we got stock with a Lindsey Graham. I really doubt I’ll be supporting Rubio in the future after that monstrosity of an immigration bill.

    When 43 was in power and the Republicans had the House and the Senate they could have secured the southern border, passed a flat rate tax, drill more in the US and made it possible to buy heath insurance across state lines, but did they do any of this, NO!! It just feels like one big political party not two.

    And I am not a racist, I am American born of hispanic descent, and served in the military with pride.

  • pjm42744

    This bill will do the same thing that Reagan’s did, provide a steady stream of cheap labor for those that bought his soul. That amnesty along with the six that followed and an over generous immigration system that allows over a million foreign workers each year is turning the American worker into third world wage earners.

  • GerryC

    I am a three issue voter, and immigration is a part of one of the three. Rubio will never get my support ever now. I never forgive and never forget.

  • GerryC

    This Immigration bill is nothing other than a massive appropriations bill. Uncostitutional since it originated in the Senate. All approriations bill must originate in the House.

  • WhatWillYouDoWithoutFreedom

    Once a traitor always a traitor. Rubio has officially become a politician in the worst sense. He can be bought.

  • Connie Alsip

    Yeppers, the Dems are giving out “candy” to bribe the House members to vote on the immigration bill. I find this to be reprehensible.