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Make Way For The Marco Rubio Birthers

September 6, 2011 by  

Make Way For The Marco Rubio Birthers

My, my, look what we have here: Marco Rubio Birthers crawling out from under their collectivist rocks, sensing it’s payback time for the Birthers who have been challenging Barack Obama’s eligibility for more than three years.

But there’s a huge difference between these two Birther groups. Notwithstanding the insistence of even Fox News commentators to wave aside the question of Obama’s birth certificate, the reality is that to this day, no one has seen proof that Obama was born in the United States.

For a long time, I rated it about 75 percent to 25 percent that Obama was born in Kenya, for one reason and one reason only: If his citizenship were such an issue, there was no plausible reason for him not to do everything possible to make certain that representatives of all media outlets had access to his original long-form birth certificate. Instead, he stonewalled — hard — for nearly three years.

If you or I were President of the United States and millions of people were questioning our birth status, is there any doubt in your mind that we would demand that our birth certificates be made available for everyone to see in order to put the issue to rest once and for all?

But it got worse. When Obama suddenly decided, just a few weeks before Jerome Corsi’s book Where’s the Birth Certificate? was due out, to publish his long-form birth certificate on the Internet, my 75-25 odds shot up to 95-5.

That’s right, while many Americans embraced a “See, I told you so” attitude, I became more suspicious rather than less, because I asked myself: “Why the sudden urgency? Why did Obama choose this moment in time to make available what millions of people had been asking to see for three years?”

As to the dispute about whether the PDF image of Obama’s purported birth certificate is layered or was in any other way tampered with, I’m not hi-tech enough to opine on that issue. I’d prefer to just stick with the most obvious question: Why would Barack Obama not be eager to make a hard copy of his birth certificate available for all to see?

For whatever it’s worth, in April of this year, Barack Obama actually requested, and received, two certified copies of his original certificate of live birth from the Hawaii Health Department. I won’t speculate on the reason for this… just calling it to your attention.

Look, I’m neither a Birther nor a believer, but I am a skeptic whenever I smell smoke — and smoke is something that perpetually comes out of Obama’s mouth. Based on his track record of telling the biggest whoppers imaginable with a completely straight face, why should I believe anything he says?

Nevertheless, I’ll leave it on an even-handed note and admit that future investigations — perhaps years after you and I are gone — may prove that Barack Obama was a legitimate citizen of the United States or may prove that he pulled off the biggest scam in U.S. presidential history.

Now, back to the Marco Rubio Birther issue. Unlike Barack Obama, Rubio doesn’t have a mysterious past filled with unanswered questions. He has also been consistent in preaching the gospel of capitalism, entrepreneurship, low taxes, less regulation, less borrowing and the greatness of the American way of life.

In other words, Rubio has never even so much as implied that he wants to fundamentally change America. If anything, his words indicate he favors returning the United States to its founding roots.

Whether Rubio is eligible to be President of the United States gets down to a Constitutional interpretation, which is always a tricky issue. The problem is that the Constitution does not define the term “natural-born citizen.” Though both Bobby Jindal’s and Marco Rubio’s parents were legal residents of the United States at the time of their sons’ births, none of them became citizens until after their sons were born.

All this reminds me again why I believe the Constitution needs to be redrafted, for clarification purposes only, by Constitutional scholars, preferably strict constructionist constitutional scholars.

Among the items that need clarification are the general-welfare clause (Article I, Section 8, not to mention the use of the term general welfare in the Preamble to the Constitution), the 2nd Amendment (needs an “and” before “the right of the people to keep and bear arms”), and the 14th Amendment (clarifying that it was intended to cover the children of former slaves, not illegal aliens).

Realistically, however, this isn’t going to happen anytime soon, and, if it did, I would be concerned about who would be doing the redrafting.

In the meantime, pundits and politicians will have a field day if Marco Rubio is selected as the Vice Presidential nominee for the Republican Party. And Chairman Obama might not be eager to see that happen, because it would, quite naturally, bring his own birth issue back into the limelight.

My hope is that Herman Cain will get the nod if he can’t win the nomination, which not only would put the Marco Rubio Birther issue on the back burner for now, but would surely be a fatal blow to Obama’s hopes to finish the job of fundamentally transforming America into a collectivist hell.

Hmm… why do I have this feeling that if Maxine Waters were to read this article, she would tell me, in that soft and gentle voice of hers, that I can go straight to hell? Probably just a bit of paranoia on my part.

Robert Ringer

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  • margey

    moderate away.

  • s c

    Robert, I can only hope that Rubio-haters truly enjoy trying to whiz up the side of a tall building or the nearest redwood (it’s optional – aka ‘pro choice’). Isn’t it amazing how MEAN-SPIRITED America’s mental asylum progressives can be?
    From what I’ve heard so far, Rubio would be a good addition to a viable candidate’s campaign (VP?). A combination of a woman and Rubio [or Ron Paul, etc.] could make it very interesting for hardcore ‘Democrat’ psychopaths to make people think that GB is still controlling the economy or that Obummer’s lackluster performance is the result of a vast right-wing conspiracy.
    Sooner or later, The Anointed Putz has to stand on his RECORD
    [WHAT record?]. Maybe Obummer could ask for help from Bubba Clinton (then again, since Billary might demand payback for her humiliation, maybe Bubba has been told to avoid supporting Alinsky’s #1 disciple).

    • jimmy the Greek

      I can’t never be president because when i was born my father was a Greek citizen , my mother was born in new york state . her mother and father were citizens of Greece .

      • Casper777

        If you have a real & certified American birth certificate, and since your mother was born in America, you are one step ahead of Obumer to run for President!

        • Gloria Jimenez Ross

          You got that right

        • Angelia

          Casper, please click on this link and tell me what you think about it. This is an admission of POTUS’s confession the he is in-eligibile to be president.

        • Angelia

          Casper, please click on this link and tell me what you think about it. This is an admission of POTUS’s confession the he is in-eligibile to be president.

          http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/09/07/tacit-admission-of-obamas-ineligibility-filed-with-federal-court-in-florida/

          • ron

            That link proves that you and everyone who visits it are IDIOTS!!!!!!

          • GRusling

            Since when does the reading of information make anyone an idiot? I would think such a term applies more readily to someone who REFUSES to even consider anothers writing and opinion…

      • FreedomFighter

        I found this interesting:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE2l52Q_Bm0&feature=related

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • Kate8

          FF – Whether he is THE a.c. or not, he is definitely the spawn of satan.

          • mark

            I wouldn’t say that about Rubio, he seems like a pretty reasonable guy to me. As long as he wears a hat, no one will ever see the horns sticking out of his head anyway. And this whole citizenship thing regarding the presidency, liberals have made such a fuss about it. Conservatives and liberatarians have been so much more tolerant on the issue especially when it concerned Obama. So I think liberatarians should extend that same tolerance toward Marco Rubio. It’s only fair after all.

          • Michael J.

            Kate8,
            Obama thinks it’s useful, and he probably thinks it’s cool for the public to think of him as the Anti Christ, as Hitler did. The fact is that he is just a bumbling buffoon, just barely qualified for a night manager position at Walmart.
            But he is also of the ideal political persuasion, race and ethnicity desired by the elites to perform the tasks in their agenda.
            Nothing more… Nothing less…

          • EltonJ

            Gordon Bitner Hinckley was the Anti-Christ.

          • Kate8

            Michael J. – Probably.

            Nevertheless, the antichrist spirit is working through those who are controlling things, right down to their useful idiots.

          • http://www.headprimer.com WickedPickle

            Kate8..

            Obama couldn’t be the anti-christ because he isn’t fooling anybody (here or abroad) could be a distant cousin though.

        • eddie47d

          Another one of your devious videos with shades of manipulated Nazi propaganda. Saying something is banned when it is not also shows more of how untruthful you can be. Truth and justice is a sign of a freedom fighter and you are neither.

          • FreedomFighter

            I just said it was “interesting”, nothing more.

            BtW I like Rubio, he isnt running around forking his fingers at the camera.

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • Buster the Anatolian

            eddie where does FreedonFighter say the video is banned?

          • eddie47d

            In the title of the video.

        • Karolyn

          So what is he, a Muslim, or a satanist? You can’t have it both ways!

          • Old Henry

            I did not know there was a difference, Karolyn.

          • Jana

            Old Henry,
            All servants of Islam serve Satan.

          • Karolyn

            Don’t be ridiculous. If someone professes to be a Muslim, they certainly wouldn’t want to be considered a devil-worshipper, since Muslims worship Allah, who is not the devil! So if Obama is a Muslim, he would not be a Luciferian and vice versa. Your OPINION has no bearing on this fact.

          • Kate8

            karolyn – I’ve done a great deal of studying on this subject, including material from muslims who had the courage to leave the faith.

            Allah is none other than satan, in one of his many guises. The Mahdi fits the antichrist to a tee. He is the return of Nimrod/Apollo/Osiris/Abaddon…the same entity awaited by the “illumined” NWO. All are faces of Lucifer.

            The God of Abraham doesn’t FORCE people to choose between conversion or beheading. He doesn’t FORCE people to worship Him. He allows people to make their own choices and, while they will be held to account for them later, he is also Merciful, unlike Allah.

            The God of Abraham desires His people to be free. Islam is all about rigid subjugation.

            The God of Abraham is LIFE. Followers of Allah love only death.

            Your naivete in this matter is remarkable, considering that you claim to know so much about Islam.

          • Old Henry

            Jana:

            That was my belief.

          • eddie47d

            Kate; That is suspect “that followers of Allah only love death” The fanatic might only love death but I doubt if that is true across the board. That would be a blanket statement and would be like saying Americans love death because we get involved in so many wars. …or Christians love death because so many Christians have fought in the name of Jesus or God.

          • Old Henry

            Well said, Kate8. I would simply say that if you worship any god other than The Father, Son and Holy Spirit you are indeed worshiping Satan in, as you stated, one of his many forms.

          • Karolyn

            The point, Kate, is that THEY don’t believe they are worshipping satan.

          • Victory1

            Of course you can!!

          • Jana

            Old Henry,
            I know that is what you thought and I was backing you up. I just got called away and sidetracked and didn’t finish my thought. :)

          • Jana

            Karolyn,
            It doesn’t matter whether they “don’t believe” they are worshipping Satan or not, Kate8 is right, and that is exactly what they are doing.
            This religion was started by a thief and murderer, who was into child pedophilia, named Mohammed.

          • Kate8

            eddie – I was directly quoting a muslim who declared, “You westerners love life, but we love death!”

            It is part of their beliefs that you must earn your way into “heaven”, either by doing “good works” (killing infidels?), or by martyrdom.

            eddie, you, and karolyn, too, have a way of refuting things of which you really have no knowledge. Because you don’t, you seem to assume no one else does, either. If you’d do some studying about something other than how to support the Progressive conquest of America, you might actually learn something.

            It’s fairly obvious that the job of disrupting conservative blogsites has no requirements other than liberal think (and the ability to turn on a computer). Whatever you make, you are overpaid.

          • Jana

            YIPPEEE for Kate8,

            You go girl.

          • eddie47d

            Where’s Kate going Jana? How is that computer working out for you girls? Since you say that is all that is required to voice an opinion.

          • Altaica

            Got a few questions:

            Why is it OK for some Christians to make blanket statements about another religion but they get furious when other religions act in kind?

            Isn’t this just a hypocrisy?

            As for the history of Religion that I have read, the Luciferians (Satanists) are a branch of Christianity. A branch that the Popes consider heretical and have fought against. (Encyclopedia of Heresies and Heretics by Crofton) Why must Christians affix this label on anyone that does not walk the same path they do? Does this air of superiority go against the teachings of humility?

            I find the blanket statement that any religion other than Judeo-Christian worship Satan a prejudiced lie, that many Christians use to hate and destroy those that do not agree with their much younger religious path. Why is it that any path the average Christian doesn’t understand or agree with get labeled with such hateful titles when Christ preached love?

            Why are those that profess this so surprised when they are treated the same way in response?

            How can you profess love for all yet preach hate for so many?

            Why must there be so much vilifying of other religions, just because they are different?

            Why do so many Christians think that they have a right to condemn and hate others when their own commandment says: “Live they Neighbor as thyself” and Christ says: “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?” Why does a religion that believes they are all born in sin and therefore all of sin have the right to judge us? Isn’t this hypocritical of the teachings of Jesus of Nazereth? If God is Love why does he send those who don’t follow him into eternal hell fire? If Jesus preached love, why do so many of his followers preach hate?

            I spent 20 years as a Christian and no-one as been able to answer these questions without being hypocritical of some other tenant or just plain hypocritical.

            Are any of you here able to provide me with answers to my questions? And when I ask for answers I want intelligent hate free answers. No slandering of other religions old and new. No hate speech on anyone, just pure, unadulterated facts.

            Some here like to say I know nothing about religion, yet I have read a wide variety of sources, asked questions of the various faithful and am constantly trying to learn. I have extensively studied Hindi, Native American, Shamanic Traditions, Egyptian Lore and am learning a lot about the Abrahamic Religions and the Sumerian and mesopatemian myths. I have had 20 years experience as a Devout Christian, church Choir, sunday, school, sunday Service etc. Yet this does not seem to be enough, they say I must be a theologian…So who here is actually a papered Theologian? My teacher is one, a PHD. Who here that speaks on religion actually has gone to school and gotten a degree in religion?

            I am also told I know nothing about the palestinian-Isreali conflict. So, since apparently the large number of US Air force Arabic linguistics that I have as friends and who have first hand experience there mean nothing compared to your knowledge how about you give me sources other than their experience? I’ve spoken to people who have been thrust into the middle of these conflicts and fought as soldiers there. People who have seen a lot of things. Give me sources that are not from one of the corrupt mainstream media outlets that are bought off by the highest bidder. I want true, objective journalism that shows both sides of the conflict. Not something that is written from one side or the other, not something written by someone with a religious agenda. True reporting. Does this even exist anymore?

            I’m here to learn, so I want to see what kind of information you all can share. I have a document here I put everything in so I can mull it over. So let’s see what you got, information please, not blanket insults.

          • Jana

            Altaica,
            Give me a little while here, as I am attempting to answer your questions. They are good and fair questions and I am trying to answer them.

          • Kate8

            Altaica – Wow. That was quite a rant. Sorry, but I had to skip over some of it.

            Luciferianism is NOT a branch of Chritianity. Lucifer was around since before the creation of the world, so that is a nonsensical statement. Faces of Lucifer include Apollo, Osiris, Nimrod, Abaddon, Allah, and many more.

            That being said, Luciferians have invaded, infiltrated and corrupted Christs teachings since shortly after He walked the Earth. Christ did not teach many of the things being taught by our churches for centuries. No doubt about it.

          • Jana

            Altaica
            I would like to try and answer some of your questions, and I pray I can do it in a manner that is acceptable to you.
            I can understand why you would ask such questions, and actually they are good honest questions.
            It is also difficult to answer some of your questions in depth for lack of space, but I will do my best.

            Q- Why is it OK for some Christians to make blanket statements about another religion but they get furious when other religions act in kind?
            Isn’t this just a hypocrisy?
            Answer: In the first place, some of us have actually studied the Bible, (the King James Version, now for several years. Not just reading through it, but delving in depth. The OT is as valuable as the NT. I have been studying at approximately 5 hours a week for the last 20 years) and can honestly tell you I am not an expert on the Bible. The more you study, the more you find there is to learn. Some people say they have read the Bible through 2 or 3 times, but if you don’t comprehend what you have read what use is it?

            The OT was written in ancient Hebrew, the NT was written in Greek and Aramaic.. which obviously you already know this since you have done so much studying yourself.
            There are tools for studying the Word such as a GOOD Strong’s Concordance, and a Wycliffe Bible Dictionary as well as a Smith’s Bible Dictionary. There are others, I even have a wonderful program on my computer. The one thing we have to watch for are these newer versions of the Bible, or newer versions of these other tools I was talking about, because some people get in there and rewrite Biblical truths, just like they have done with our history. In other words they have watered it down so it doesn’t give us the food for our souls that we need.

            Satanists are NOT a branch of Christianity. Christian means Christ like. Satan thought he ought to sit on the Mercy Seat of God. He in his own mind had elevated himself to be above God. So during the First World Age, which is another deep study, Lucifer, Sluefoot, the Serpent, the Deceiver, (he has many names) convinced a third of the Angels to follow him. At that time the Angels had free will, just like we do today.

            Satan has made it his job to twist the truths of the Bible. Many other religions have just enough truth in them to lead people astray.

            Q I find the blanket statement that any religion other than Judeo-Christian worship Satan a prejudiced lie, that many Christians use to hate and destroy those that do not agree with their much younger religious path. Why is it that any path the average Christian doesn’t understand or agree with get labeled with such hateful titles when Christ preached love.

            A. In the first place I know of no Christian that uses hate. Is it hateful to tell someone the truth? No it’s an act of love to tell someone the TRUTH, when they know good and well that they are going to be attacked, and accused of hatred and called unfair names. The average Christian you are talking about knows Jesus Christ as their Savior.
            Heb 4:12
            12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
            KJV

            Q. Why must there be so much vilifying of other religions, just because they are different?
            A. Telling the truth about what other religions believe is not vilifying, it is clarifying. What is so hard to understand about Islam? Have you ever studied the life of Mohammad the one who wrote the Qu’ran? I was curious about Islam, and have also been studying the Qu’ran and the Hadiths. It is indeed a harsh, hateful and hurtful religion.
            Have you ever loved someone, say your child, and you watch as they make bad decisions for their lives over and over again? You feel so bad for your child and you want so desperately to reach this child to impart some wisdom into him/her. The harder you try the more you are rejected. Eventually though when your child matures, he/she will hear and understand the truth and respect your knowledge, and turn from their wicked ways.
            This is exactly how we feel when we see people turn their back on Christ’s teachings and follow lies and deceptions.
            Matt 10:34-38
            34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
            35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
            36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
            37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
            38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
            KJV

            Q. “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?” Why does a religion that believes they are all born in sin and therefore all of sin have the right to judge us? Isn’t this hypocritical of the teachings of Jesus of Nazereth?

            A. There is a difference between judging and discernment. To pass a judgment on someone is to sentence them to a punishment. That is NOT ours to make, but only God can make that kind of Judgment. But to judge or discern if what someone says is right or true, that is definitely what we are supposed to do. But first, we must study the Word of God to know the Truth before we can even know if something being presented to us is a lie or a deception or a trick. We have to be aware of the Truth so we won’t fall for a lie.

            Matt 7:16-21
            16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
            17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
            18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
            19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
            20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
            21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
            KJV

            Altaica, I have no PHD. I have just studied God’s Word. I have talked with many who have come out of college (Seminary) that actually have no comprehension of God or even who He is. Too many teachers in Theology have knowledge of all religions, but lack true comprehension of THE ONE TRUE GOD.

            Eph 6:10-17
            10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
            11 Put on the whole amour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
            12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
            13 Wherefore take unto you the whole amour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
            14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
            15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
            16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
            17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
            KJV

            Eph 6:19-20
            9 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
            20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
            KJV

          • Kate8

            Jana – That answer was very kind and well thought out. I hope Altaica gets to read it.

            One other thing. It really upsets many people that Christians are not “inclusive”, do not recognize that all paths to God are “the same”.

            Well, if we thought that all paths were the same, that it didn’t matter which one you chose, then that wouldn’t really be faith at all, would it?

            The funny thing is, other religions believe that theirs is the only true one, yet Christians are the only ones who get condemned for it. The truth is, Christians are the most loving and tolerant toward those of other faiths, extending the same charity and help to all alike. They just don’t accept that the faiths should integrate, or compromise.

            Until now, that is. There is coming much increase in apostacy, all for the sake of political correctness, and for the NWO.

          • Jana

            Altaica,

            After reading your other posts on the other sites, all I see is this statement is a lie.

            You said,********I’m here to learn, so I want to see what kind of information you all can share. I have a document here I put everything in so I can mull it over. So let’s see what you got, information please, not blanket insults.*************

            You aren’t here to learn, you are here to disrupt. I took you at your word, but I have seen that your word has no value. What are you a Kenite?

        • Gwen

          Here is another video you will find interesting. In his own words, he admits he is not an American.

          http://youtu.be/MwhKuunp8D8 Not Natural Born — TRUTH MATTERS – YouTube

        • Gwen

          http://youtu.be/MwhKuunp8D8 Not Natural Born — TRUTH MATTERS – YouTube

      • Bob Pegram

        I have read that Marco Rubio’s parents and Bobby Jindal’s parents were not U.S. citizens at the times of their respective births. That makes them both ineligible to President and, therefore, vice-president. We need to be consistent. It is not two wrongs make a right. Obama would be ineligible even if he had been born in Hawaii which is unlikely.
        The founders wrote what they meant by “natural born citizen.” It is also obvious what the purpose of the 14th amendment is – to make the slaves citizens. If liberals don’t want to do what is obviously right, that is a different issue than the clarity of the Constitution. Apparently Robert Ringer, from the tone of this article, doesn’t want to do what is right either in the cases of Rubio and Jindal. That makes Ringer no better or no more honest than the liberals who support Obama.

        • gavinwca

          Well said and true. I agree completely

        • Legal Citizen

          This is the most correct statement I have read here. Totally agree. The definition of a “natural born citizen” is clear, even if some do not want to recognize it. If one’s parent(s) are born elsewhere and then become U.S. citizens, and their child(ren) are born here they are considered “native born citizens” not “natural born”. There had to be this differentiation as this is a nation of alot of people where parents may be born else where but wanted to be U.S. citizens. But to be the President of the U.S. there is this difference of “natural born citizen” where parents are born here as well. Alliance to the U.S. was tantemount to qualifying for the highest postition in this country. Does anyone really think that our founding fathers wouldn’t have included this in their evaluating who could hold this most important office of the U.S.? I mean really!

          • Kate8

            You are missing the obvious: that the PTB intend to do away with the citizenship requirement altogether.

            Remember, we’re part of a world government now.

            Is this beginning to sink in yet?

          • http://flowerbug4u@att.net alice garcia

            from what I have read, both parents have to be born here in the u.s. to be a natural born citizen, now if both parents were in another country and they had a child, that child would automatically become a u.s. citizen when they come back from that country. But if one parent is a citizen from another country and maintains his citizenship there, and his mother is a U.S. citizen that child is not a U.S. natural born citizen. The democrates tried to pull that on McCain when he ran for president. he was born on the panama canel,but his mother and father was “natural born citizen of the United States” that made him illegibly to run for office of the United States. but in Obama case his father was a citizen of Kenya, I’ve always wonder why know one has ever ask Obama would he give up his duel citizenship, or even ask to see his visa passports. or ask why did his mother quit college and went back to keyna to look for her husband who had 6 wives, she stayed in kenya until she has obama, then came back to the united states with a baby according to her girlfriends in college. Back in 1962 you could claim a child a u.s citizen if you had it in another country. do your research on Hawaii laws.I did and found it very interesting, and I believe that the grandmother registered Obama, because his mother didn’t want him to be a citizen of keyna because the father was a radical and a drunk. why do you think she went back to keyna and then got married to a big oil man he became obama step-father and raised him in keyna. Obama has told some big whoppers and got away with it. I call that a con-artis.

          • Bob

            The big difference is Jindal & Rubio’s paperwork is out in the open. Thge only argument is in the meaning of the law. The 14 amendment thing is of more immediately importance. There are thousands of anchor babies born every day.

      • James

        Jimmy, Two negatives make a positive. If you “can’t never” be president, then you can be the president.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      This vendetta against Rubio may or may not be a bluff. Leftists do not have problems getting access to “supposed” birth records of Rubio’s parents and Rubio’s birth place. There is nothing stopping the Cubans from fabricating records for the benefit of the Leftists. The burden of proof will be on Rubio and he will spend time and money defending himself. Now think this through, you are guilty till you prove yourself innocent and you can never prove yourself innocent.

    • Paulus

      Senator Rubio is our Senator, we voted for him and we like him. Regardless, here’s the fact that Marco Rubio, Sr. entered the U.S. in 1956 from Cuba. He applied for U.S. citizenship in 1975. Senator Marco Rubio (Jr.) is born 1971 four years before his father became a U.S. citizen. Senator Rubio is NOT eligible to be promoted to higher office, because he is NOT a “Natural Born Citizen”!!!

      • James

        Paulus, There is no requirement, in the Constitution, for the parents of a “natural born citizen” to be citizens. That may have been the intent but it isn’t there. Expecting Mexican mothers-to-be step across our border and give birth to instant American citizen. They’ve been doing that for years.

        • Bob

          Rubio’s parents while not citizens they were here LEGALLY.

  • ron

    Poor Robert, when it comes to the question of birth by any one other than the president he has a hissy fit. So when does one birther (Robert) question another? Both of them have the same agenda don’t they?Now you want to change the constitution to fit your needs. Could it also become an anchor baby issue for Rubio?

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      ron… Where in this article does it say that a change is needed to the Constitution? Clarifying is not changing….

      • http://Boblivingston Legg

        You people need’sUST A LITTLE CHRIST IN YOUR LIFE’S then you’ll be able to accept another person for whom they are, if the president is from Kenya so be it he’s still is your’s and mine President now and again in 2013 HATS OFF TO OUR PRESIDENT………..OMBAMA FOR PRESIDENT…………

        • http://tuftsmarathonchallenge.com Donald R. Megerle

          For the rules of the English language, see English grammar.

          • libertytrain

            Nicely said.

          • Legal Citizen

            Unfortunately, this is the type of person that would vote for BHO again – uneducated and uninformed. Very sad.

          • Old Henry

            Thank you, Donald.

        • crystal

          You need Law and Order in your life. If Obama is from Kenya, then according to our laws he’s not even suppose to be President. The law states that the qualifications to become President of the U.S. you must be a natural born citizen of this country.

          There are a lot of people who were alseep during their history classes.

          • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68
          • Nadzieja Batki

            They may also not have been taught this.

          • Casper777

            SMSgtZ – I know that we use Snopes as a resource, but it is often an opinion, especially when it comes to politics. I seem to recall that Snopes ‘changed’ its opinion on where Obama was born, some three years ago when the subject became and elgibility issue. Something smells, and I would agree with this article, why has Obama and the DNC been stonewalling?

          • Kate8

            Snopes proves nothing. They are just a progressive couple, funded by George Soros, who do “fact” finding from their home computer.

            Even if they weren’t part of the Leftist propaganda machine, it’s preposterous to think that anyone could have access to all “facts”. They have the same resources at their disposal as the rest of us. Who has any source (about anything) that they can swear is absolute truth?

            Anyone who trusts snopes is not thinking and still doesn’t get it. It’s well past time to grow up.

          • eddie47d

            Why then Kate do you insist than everything you say is the truth,the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Why are all downloaded videos and threads that the Right bring up considered factual and trustworthy? What I have seen they are only opinions not historically deemed facts. Even then they could be manufactured “facts” of someone with an agenda.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, if you don’t remember I’ll remind you that not long ago it was eddie who insisted opinions are also facts…especially his opinions.
            I’m sure it’s well known on this website just what eddie’s opinions are worth…20 – 0 as I recall. eddie, you live in a glass house yet you still continue to throw stones even though your house has been shattered.

          • eddie47d

            I see Jeff is back and throwing stones. An opinion is an opinion and I haven’t said anything differently except by you and your phony 20-1 malarkey. You must have just returned from Las Vegas. I hear they had a BS convention and you were the keynote speaker. LOL

          • Old Henry

            JeffH!

            You’ve been to eddei’s house?! I’ll be he did not let you in…

          • Kate8

            eddie – (Geez, why do I even bother, but here goes…)

            If you have actually been reading my posts, I have stated on NUMEROUS occasions that I believe that ALL IS DECEPTION, and finding the truth is a daunting task, which can only be pieced together bit by bit after much time and effort. Even then, you won’t have the whole story. It’s been designed this way.

            But that can’t stop us from searching, because eventually we begin to get a picture. Even now, I learn things that astound me every day, as I had no idea…and form new perspectives…

            I have never once stated that I had any real answers. I call ‘em as I see ‘em, and accept responsibility that all the things I say are my own humble conclusions.

            You seem to love to attack me, JeffH and other patriots here. Go ahead and keep knocking yourself out, eddie, because you appear more stupid with each passing day.

          • JeffH

            Old Henry, I wouldn’t lower myself… :)

            Kate8, correctomundo as usual…eddie can dish it out, he just can’t take it…bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

          • eddie47d

            I take plenty of garbage from you Jeff and guess what I’m still here!

          • JeffH

            Takes a lickin’ and keeps on takin a lickin’!

          • Sonja

            Another issue, Obama was an Indonesian CITIZEN, his step father adopted him, Obama’s name was BARRY SOETORO, he lived in Indonesia & attended Muslims schools, where are the papers showing that when Obama came back to the United States, he became a citizen of the United States??? The last I read, Obama came back to the US, went to college here on our dime after he applied for grants that were being issued to INDONESIAN CITIZENS.

        • Charlotte

          Geez you must have a job!

        • Ron

          Are you nuts! Just because you stupid people accepted him and voted him in, if he was not born here he has no right and committed fraud and treason in doing so. The freedoms and rights you have are because of the Constitution and our following it, Leave this country if you don’t like that or believe that by accepting a person not born here is OK!

          • Legal Citizen

            A GREAT BIG DITTO! IF YOU DO NOT LIKE OUR CONSTITUTION, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

        • wandamurline

          If he was born in Kenya…then by the law of the United States of America, he is ineligible for the office he now occupies. Our forefathers did this in order to make sure that someone from a foreign country did not hold this office and instill laws and regulations of that foreign country. Pleeeeeze, do some investigation on your own and learn the truth about the Constitution and what the laws of America really are…then you will see that the POTUS is trying to change everything.

          • Kate8

            It is a frightening commentary that there are so many voters out there who aren’t bothered that Obama committed massive fraud against the American people to get into the highest office of the land.

            He can’t be guilty of treason because he holds no allegiance to America. He is doing exactly what he was placed there to do, with the complicity of millions of useful idiots.

            What he IS guilty of is conspiracy to defraud the American people, of usurpation of position and power. There is no doubt that our enemies have seized control of our government.

          • eddie47d

            “Obama has committed massive fraud” so YOU say but hasn’t been proven which makes those making such claims the fraudulent ones. Once again you take an assumption that you believe and try to peddle it as a fact.

          • JeffH

            eddie says “Once again you take an assumption that you believe and try to peddle it as a fact.”

            Isn’t that exactly the premise of your participation here? Assumptions peddled as facts?

            Fraudulant Obama? How about empty promises! How about Obama’s Fraudulent Pledge to Respect Medical Marijuana Laws? Obama’s Fraudulent Connecticut Soc Security No. 042-68-4425 — a state in which Obama had never lived and with which he has no association.

            Here’s a few of the broken promises that enrage Americans.

            Taxes for seniors whose income is less than $50,000 were to be ended
            The public was to be afforded the opportunity to review any non-emergency bill prior to a bill passing trough congress.

            Individuals who wish to withdraw funds from retirement accounts in 2008 and 2009 were not be penalized.

            Health care reform negotiations were to be publicized on C-span instead these negotiations were held behind closed doors not to mention the briber that took place so the healthcare bill would pass through the senate.

            Read more: http://newsflavor.com/opinions/broken-trust-false-promises-of-barack-obama/#ixzz1XC1GU7qF

            Economic Malpractice: Obama inherited a tough economy, but his stewardship has in many respects made the situation worse.

            The unemployment rate stands at 9.1 percent (it was 7.8 percent the month Obama took office). July marked the 30th consecutive month in which the unemployment rate was above the 8 percent level that the Obama administration said it would not exceed as a result of its stimulus program. Chronic unemployment is worse than during the Great Depression, while the share of the eligible population holding a job (58.1 percent) has declined to the lowest level since the early 1980s.

            The housing crisis is also worse than in the Great Depression. Home values are worth roughly one-third less than they were five years ago. Consumer confidence has plunged to the lowest level since the Carter presidency.

            Given Obama’s atrocious record, this only reaffirms what Obama’s senior counselor, David Plouffe, has acknowledged: The president “owns” the economy. It’s the product of his handiwork. And if Obama is reelected, we will get more of the same.

            Had enough?

          • eddie47d

            Don’t worry Jeff I’m not afraid of your facts or your opinions so you can present as much as you want. That is really what this site is all about. Certainly not opinions masked as facts.Besides facts have to be proven and opinions are assumed facts. Kate rarely proves anything but offers many opinions and she is very welcomed here . As a matter of “fact” so are you.

          • Old Henry

            Wanda, Wanda, Wanda! Pleeeze don’t say that! He is our HOPE!

            I have the CHANGE on my dresser to prove it…

            And it’s valuable CHANGE, it’s COPPER!

          • Old Henry

            JeffH:

            eddie’s mind is made up. Don’t cnfuse him with the facts. I wonder how he types with his arms crossed? Hmmmm. I wonder if Jovi has move in with him…

          • Kate8

            eddie, eddie, eddie…do you really find me so threatening?

            If I’m so off-the-wall, then who cares what I say? You are more than welcome to ignore my posts. Please.

          • eddie47d

            I am only following Jeff’s lead Kate where he is continuously on my tail.At least you will admit you don’t have all the facts while Jeff insists he has ownership on the truth. By the way Jeff it’s only me and my wife (and grandson for 10 hours) Haven’t met Jovi, yet you both can come to my door anytime and I may just let you come in.

          • JeffH

            eddie…paranoia will destroy ya…

            There’s no one behind you
            There’s no one beside you
            There’s no one besides you
            You know as well as I do
            There’s no voice inside you
            That shadow isn’t movin’
            You must be loosin’ to confusion havin’ illusions
            Still you wanna prove it, paranoia, that someone might be comin’ for ya
            No ones tryin’ to kill you stupid
            There’s no Norman Bates, peekin’ in your window
            There’s no Patrick Bateman tryin’ to pick you up in lemos
            You pop another pill to try and calm the nerves
            But the prescriptions make the descriptions a lot worse
            Your seein’ red bursts, and then your head hurts
            You should have checked under the bed first
            Crawlin’ on all fours, lockin’ all the doors
            You must have flown over the coo-coo’s nest and lost your course
            I thought I told ya, don’t let that **** control ya
            Cuz paranoia will destroy ya just a lesson for ya

          • JeffH

            eddie says “I am only following Jeff’s lead Kate where he is continuously on my tail. At least you will admit you don’t have all the facts while Jeff insists he has ownership on the truth.”

            yes, you finally admitted and confirmed you are a follower…nothing new or surprising there.

            You just told another lie eddie…”Jeff insists he has ownership of the truth”…that is a lie and just an assumption on your part dear eddie…

            You see eddie, you can dish it out but you just can’t take it…admit it if you’re capable.

          • Kate8

            JeffH – It seems to me that eddie is the one who thinks he knows everything. Or, at least, he knows that whatever it is that we know is false.

            Just because we share a bit of info, which is often speculation based on what IS known, it doesn’t mean we assume, therefore, that it replaces all discussion.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, once again you nailed it, being a troll is what eddie is all about. His accusations are based on nothing more than his own mindless conjecture. eddie’s a parrot, a repeater. He likes to make things personal when another’s comment is a generality…he likes to attack then feign innocence. He like to use blatant terms like “we”, “you always” and “all of us know” even when know one else ever steps up to support him or back him up…oh, he gets lucky once in a while(Karolyn)…but basically it’s a fact that he talks out the south end of his mouth. Now he accuses me of following him and yet it was he who was following you, just as he does to DaveH, Jana, Angelwannabe.
            Now I’ll admit that I do enjoy easily exposing him for the fraud he is mainly because it’s easy to do. I also will say I may go a few days without directing any comments towrds him but then he gets like a kid in a candy store with his childish taunts and stupid comments…then it’s time to turn the screws on him…which he keeps well oiled. He can dish it out, he just can’t take it.

          • eddie47d

            Your paranoia poem must have been for Kate and company since I seldom fall for CONspiracies unless it can be backed up. Your such a desperate liar Jeff when taking on someone. Were you in your bunker when you thought up that swill.

          • Kate8

            eddie – You continually rant on about “proof”. “Kate never proves anything”, JeffH never has proof…What would it take to constitute “proof” to you? A link to Huffpo?

            I would go so far as to say that there is absolutely NO WAY to offer ANYTHING that could be said to be absolute, definitive proof. Links prove nothing. They are just someone else’s opinion. And even when there are links, you refute them.

            Proof is not even on the table, eddie. Maybe it doesn’t exist. In today’s world of mass deception, misinformation is put out everywhere. It’s up to us to ferret out what seems most plausible.

            Grow up, eddie. This is a forum for discussion, not PROOF. If proof were possible, there would not be much need for discussion.

        • http://TeaParty CaptRCG

          You have the IQ of a red brick -(offensive comment removed)

          • Old Henry

            CaptRCG:

            to whom are you referring?

        • Patriotic nut

          Not in one thousand years libtard. You go and elect him again in 2013 with my blessings since the elections are in 2012. Seriously though, You really think that if he were born in Kenya that it would be okay for him to serve as the POTUS? If that is where your head is I shudder to think at what else you feel it’s okay to overlook or change about our founding documents. While we are changing the constitution why don’t we just go ahead and put in an amendment that says if you wish to vote you must first prove that you can read and write ENGLISH, and just for you, that you must be very liberal in your politics???

          • eddie47d

            You are trying to do just that Patriotic nut which means some of you would love to change the Constitution if you had the chance.There are some on this site who would gleefully take away the rights of millions of AMERICANS if it served their purpose.

          • Old Henry

            Patriotic nut:

            Indeed the elections are in 2012, but if Soetoro looses he will probably have a re-do in early 2013 to give us a second chance to “get it right”.

        • Betty Sexton

          My dear man, your are a mule’s behind. ANYONE RUNNING FOR ANY POSITION IN OUR GOVERNMENT THAT REQUIRES A BIRTH CERTIFICATE, SHOULD PRODUCE A CERTIFIED COPY IF NOT THE ORIGINAL. OBAMA has NOT produced either. The last one was proven FAKE. Where have you been?? You people can not admit that the AMERICAN PEOPLE have been duped. The ones that certified OBAMA should have all their possessions taken from them and imprisoned if he can not produce a LEGITIMATE BIRTH CERTIFICATE. YOU WOULD HAVE TOO. Who is HE that HE does not????

          • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

            BORN IN THE USA that’s what the facts are
            http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

          • eddie47d

            At this point SMSgt it wouldn’t matter to the “Bettie’s” if he was legitimate or not.They have Obama in their sights and even the truth be damned. It been ugly and it’s going to get uglier.

          • JeffH

            ice to see eddie say something accurate for a change…”It been ugly and it’s going to get uglier.”

            You can take that to the bank!

          • Old Henry

            Sheesh eddie, it’s impossible for Soetoro to be legitimate as he is ineligible per the Constitution.

          • Old Henry

            Yep JeffH. And that’s about all we have to take to the bank.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            SMSgt Z retired Nam 68 says

            “BORN IN THE USA that’s what the facts are”.You can’t argue with these nuts.
            They live in another universe.They don’t like Obama,because he is black.Good post.

          • Kate8

            coal – Good grief. That really is all you’ve got, isn’t it.

            Pathetic.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff and old Henry; How can you take anything to the bank when the Banksters have swindled it all?

        • rulken

          First of all, We people, don’t need someone like you, to tell us that the monkey in the WH. is our president! The constitution was clear enough for every former president, to follow the simple directives, to prove that they were indeed American born, and thus eligible to hold the office of The Presidency.
          He’s not my president, and never will be, (until he proves that he was born in America, USA.).
          Legg, you on the other hand, are obviously blinded by you prejudices towards other races. People like you just don’t get it, we don’t care what color his skin is, or whether he is male or female, but we want an American, to be our President. One who is competent and able to deal with the needs of the country. Obama is none of the above!
          He is a hypocritical, lying, disgrace to the African American community. He has done nothing for this country, but give our grandchildren, an nu-surmountable debt to crawl out from under. In addition, he has done every thing wrong, to encourage economic growth, and put people back to work.
          If you sincerely want four more years of that, than you are suffering from the mental disorder called, Liberalism!

          • Andrew

            o is the only real african-American in our country. why is his his place of birth a controversy, when o can end it by showing his actual, real birth certificate. he hasn’t, o has sealed up the hawaiian birth certificate registration office. nice. o is a communist/socialist/muslim, anti-American, anti-constitution, anti everything that has made our country great. this trend didt start with o, but o has steamrolled us with all the activist/terrorist he installed in his administration. the o appointed heads of various commissions will set their own rules, according to o’s wishes, that will bypass congress, to put so many restrictions on our countries business’, it will bankrupt all of them. this is o’s plan. he has no plan but to take over as dictator. i hope we do have legitimate elections in 2012.

          • http://Pat P Ann Harris

            Since we are into name calling. Your comment indicates that you are a dumb bunny.

          • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

            Chester Arthur forged a Birth Certificate and pushed it through, and was one of our worst and most corrupt Presidensa. His real one was finally found in Canada. Way too late.

            Now, for Obama, a real one that stands up to careful investigation and inspection cannot be found. One that stood up was found in Kenya, I have read, but suddenly disappeared completely. Sounds fishy to me.

            Supported by all his college records being sealed at the costs of millions! That too is fishy. People attesting they never saw him in classes is suspicious, and should be investigated as to why we cannot check his grades and read his papers. If he has nothing to hide, why does it cost millions to hide the facts?? Or to hide…nothing at all?

            His voting record seems to be nothing at all too. Never took a position on real legislation, until he car run the country with an unknown background and real education.

            Too many unknowns for me to feel good, especially considering what he was taught in church, and his unmentioned bath-house associations. I don’t recall any security being associated with these excursions…do you?

          • eddie47d

            Sorry Andrew it wasn’t “O” who put restrictions on American businesses. It was the businesses(corporations) themselves who lies cheated and stole from America that brought the hammer down on businesses. Look in the mirror and heal thyself.

          • Old Henry

            rulken:

            Given the grammar I wonder if Obama snuck away from the Telepromter and joined our discussion…

        • Jibbs

          Read the Constitution. Oblama will never be my president.

          • mark

            Newflash: He already is. It happened on January 20, 2009.

          • Jibbs

            Mark,
            thats like saying someone robbed your home and was not caught in the act. Going by your statement, the thief in question is free to go, and no charges can be filed.

            Think about about it, because that is what you are saying.

          • mark

            Jibbs, I try to live as much as possible in the world of reality. Barak Obama is the President of the United States. He lives in the White House. He has all the powers of the presidency. Our military follow his orders as their commander-in-chief. Face the facts. I did not like the very shady, Florida-fiasco, Supreme Court-decided outcome of the 2000 election that gave the presidency to George W. Bush. But the Court decided, this is our system, it was done deal. George W. Bush was the president. Period. It is the same with Obama. I live in the world as it is – not as I would like it to be. I find this much better for my mental health.

          • Palin12

            mark,
            Forget about Florida. If Al Gore had won his home state of Tennessee, he would have won the 2000 election outright, no questions asked. The people of Tennessee knew better, and spared us from the Bozo from the Ozone. Even Mondale carried his home state against Reagan, the ONLY state he won.

          • Old Henry

            Thank you for saying that Palin12. I was getting ready to reply with about the same thing and read your post first.

        • Opa

          I don’t care where he was born. He hates us, our Constitution, and our way of life. He has done his best to destroy it. If you can’t see that, you need to re-read the Constitution. And our history. The real one, not the one you probably learned in school, where the NEA teaches socialism, and not capitalism.

          • mark

            You’re being much to harsh toward Rubio, Opa. I don’t think he’s that bad.

          • mark

            Look, I don’t like George W. Bush either. And I agree with most of what you have just said about him that he violated our Constitution and nearly destroyed us. But I still think Bush operated in good faith and despite his faults was not a traitor to this country.

        • JCarrollBarnhill

          Obadma is a muslim. Read the Koran/Quoran It plainly says if we do not join them and worship Allah and live by the Sharia Laws—then kill us. They cut our heads off. The liberal/Obadma plan it to take complete control and do just that. ONLY FOOLS DO NOT BELIEVE THIS

          • mark

            NO, ONLY FOOLS DO!

          • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

            I agree. I have talked with Muslims, and read a good part of the Qur’an. Their religion requires them to convert or kill anybody not already Muslim. Period. It also requires them to lie extensively. Obama seems to have taken the lying well to heart!

          • mark

            Right, that’s why Obama ordered the hit on Bin Laden. Because Obama is a secret Muslim who wants to kill all non-Muslims. Makes sense. TO YOU! BUT NOT TO ANYONE ELSE!

        • http://www.soldbylynch.com Brian

          Your method of thinking(and writing) are sorely in need of a refresher course…’Course the writing can probably be altered but your thinking cannot…(unfortunately for you and other Americans)

        • Capitalist at Birth

          He may be your President. He is not mine. Your ignorance and stupidity should disqualify you from voting.

          • mark

            Right but that’s because you are not a citizen of the United States. Barak Obama is the President of the United States. It is not his fault that you are not a citizen.

        • Skyknight

          He may be your President, BUT HE’S NOT MINE. I refuse to accept a Communist Muslim as my President and come 2012 we will throw the imposter out. Thank God for the Tea Party.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Which Christ are you talking about?
          Now are the times that you should question what is said, how things are said, and who is doing the saying. Also you have to make sure that the words that are used mean the same thing that you think they mean.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            My reply was to LEGG.

        • OldNYFirefighter

          Legg, if he was born in Kenya he may be your President, but he is not mine. Mine must be born in the USA of two American Citizens. Even McCain was scrutinized by the Senate & a Resolution SR 511 verified he was a Natural Born Citizen due to the fact his Parents were American Citizens at the time of his Birth. He should have asked Obama at that time to verify his Natural Born Citizen status, but because he is a wimp, he didn’t ask & Obama kept his mouth shut (for once). Liberals are saying due to the 14th Amendment everyone born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen, but that is not what the 14th Amendment says. It says anyone born in the USA is a Citizen, there is a difference.

          • eddie47d

            “All persons born or naturalized in the United States”… “are a citizen of the United States and the state wherein they reside” What part of that Firefighter don’t you understand?

          • mark

            But McCain was not born in the United States. And you say McCain was a wimp? He served 5 years as a combat pilot and endured 6 years of torture and captivity in a North Vietnamese prison. (That, by the way, is why he remains so firmy opposed to torturing prisoners). A wimp? By what standards do you call him wimp? Did you win a couple of Congressional Medals of Honor and six or seven Purple Hearts in combat? If you’ve done that, then I guess you can call him a wimp. Otherwise you should just be grateful we have patriots like John McCain in this country.

          • Jana

            OldNYFirefighter,

            In fact the President of Blame has let it be known that he is NOT everyone’s President. He isn’t your President if you are:

            A Republican,

            A Libertarian,

            A Conservative,

            Live in a Right to Work State,

            Live in Arizona,

            Live in Texas,

            Live in Georgia

            etc.

            So how can we consider him our Pres, when he doesn’t.

            Now he is going to give ANOTHER speech supposedly on creating jobs. But so far from what I have heard of his PRE SPEECHES he is again blaming congress and Republicans and everyone else he can think of for “playing politics”.
            He is the biggest game player and blame placer that we have ever had. He honestly doesn’t know any better, similar to Karolyns thought that they “don’t believe” they are serving Satan, he doesn’t believe he is bad for this country. He actually believes his own lies.

          • eddie47d

            …and the Republicans will be there the next day sabotaging everything that Obama suggests. The country will sink further and you will be joyful as always. You offered nothing!

          • Bluebird1995

            OldNYFirefighter,
            You are right, McCain is a citizen because both of his parents are citizens and he was born on a US Military base. Obama may have been born in Hawaii, but since his father was not a citizen he is not a citizen. (Even the questionable birth certificate said that.) All of his decisions should be overturned, if they ever decide to procecute him. Obamacare should be ruled unconstitutional, either way.
            If Rubio isn’t a citizen, then he can’t be President or Vice-President. (Luckily, State offices aren’t barred from him. He can do a lot of good for the country by helping run Florida.
            Any of the current Republican candidates would be better than Obama. Hillary would be just as bad as Obama. Bachman would be a great President or Vice-President teamed up with any of those guys or Palin.
            We need to support the Republicans and the Tea Party as they fight to cut spending and prevent the Democrats from raising Taxes. Also, we might need to protect them from the Radical Leftists.
            Have a plan for the best and the worst and maybe we can end up somewhere in the middle.

        • ALL AMERICAN

          I’ve beard many children speak much better than you.
          Somebody needs to attend school.
          Maybe you and Slobummer can be classmates when the Pledge of Allegiance is said… no crotch salutes allowed.

        • Pedro A Delgado

          Obama was born in Kenya and has fraudulently fooled the Country into believing that he was born in Hawaii with the complicity of the Media and all the VIP that put him there.

          Whenever we prove this fact, we will put him behind bars.

          You evidently are not knowledgeable of what being a Christian means and that it is the reason you say that we should forget about the issue and be reconciled to the fact that he is our President.

          The Bible is clear that you should not lie as hell will be full of unrepentant liars (Revelation 21:8)

        • Old Henry

          Soooo LEGG, let me get this straight. If I were to put on a policeman’s uniform and walk the street aresting people and taking their wallets, etc. it would be okay?

          If I were to put on a white coat and a stethescope oroung my neck and begin a OBGYN business, it would be okay?

          If i were to open a law office and claim I was an attorney, it would be okay? People would just have to accept me and what I was doing??

        • http://flowerbug4u@att.net alice garcia

          If you think those of us should have a little christ in our life, yes we do. and pray every night that this guy is out of office, I anyone needs christ in there life is Obama, I guess you enjoy that people are out of work. you must enjoy all the give away money he has took from the taxpayers, you must enjoy that he wants to destroy america, when he ran for office, his words were, There shall not be one country dominating over one another.He said right there, the U.S shall not dominate over the other countries. you must enjoy that. This guy has plans to destroy us. and it is thru the economy, He is not the most intelligent in economics and it shows. I enjoy living in a free world, that is why foreigner come to this country to live and then complain and want to change our constitution. People like Maxine Watters and Hoffa who calls the american tea party who are true americans, we don’t tell people to go to Hell or call them an SOB. chew that one if you want to elect a Liar like Obama.

          • Jana

            Alice,
            Thank you for your great post. You are my kind of people.

        • http://flowerbug4u@att.net alice garcia

          to you’ the comment i submitted came back as saying I already submit my comment. I haven’t seen it yet. whats up ………

        • D. Williams

          I’d rather have Ombama for president too. Anyone is likely to be better than the fraud impostor we have now.

      • http://Boblivingston Legg

        Obama for President 2013…………..

        • Lueder

          What kind of Moron are you? Article 11.1.4 of the Constitution of the United States (which, as you are obviously unaware, is the SUPREME law of the land)clearly states that to be a candidate for President of the United States, a person must be a natural-born citizen. If the man that currently occupies the Oval Office was born in Kenya, then he is a natural-born citizen of KENYA not the UNITED STATES. He is welcome to go become the president of Kenya but he is completely ineligible to be the president of the United States.

          Also, something that is not brought up very often any more: When he was a child, his mother took him to Indonesia to go to school. Indonesia only allows its citizens to attend its schools and does NOT allow dual citizenship. Therefore, even if Obama was a citizen of the United States, when he went to school in Indonesia he would have had to renounce his citizenship in the United States to become a citizen of Indonesia. Citizenship is NOT like changing your underwear, something that (hopefully) you do on a daily basis.

          • http://Pat P Ann Harris

            You people and your conspiracy theory, and a boogey man behind every door are sick!!!!

          • mark

            I’m not the same moron as you since I realize that Barak Obama was born in Hawaii, is a natural born citizen of the United States and is also the President of the United States something you never will be or never could be in a thousand years irregardless of where you were born because you have to have at least some basic intelligence and a personality to be elected President.

          • http://personallibertydigest J Worthington

            His school records in Indonesia listed him as an Indonesian and his religion as muslum

          • Old Henry

            mark:

            How do you know Soetoro was born in HI?? Did you deliver him?

          • Sonja

            Obama’s mother married an Indonesian man, he adopted Obama while they lived in Indonesia, Obama’s name was BARRY SOETORO, the adoption made Obama a CITIZEN OF INDONESIA, Obama did attend MUSLIM SCHOOLS IN INDONESIA, when Obama (Barry Soetoro) came to the United States to attend COLLEGE which were giving at that time GRANTS to INDONESIAN CITIZENS. Obama applied for those grants as an INDONESIAN CITIZEN & was approved for the grants. WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT, did Obama get a US citizenship later etc. etc. I DON’T KNOW, since he has made sure ALL HIS DOCUMENTS ETC. ARE NOT MADE PUBLIC. DID HE EVER “LEGALLY” HAVE HIS NAME CHANGED FROM BARRY SOETORO TO OBAMA ETC.?? WHERE’S THE DOCUMENTS ETC.????

        • DaveH

          I’ll keep my Freedom, Legg. You can keep the change.

          • Esther

            Legg surely does not understand the meaning of justice, and freedom to work and earn his keep. Legg is part of the slavery mentality–keep me and I’ll perform for you who is willing to keep me and tell me how to live my life–where I can go, what I can eat, what I can own.

        • Josef

          Legg, you are a moron as they come.

        • rulken

          Come on Bachmann-Cain for 2012.

          • http://personalliberty.com Lady Kroft

            Cain is a muslim lover and sympathizer. It took the muslims only 6 hours to brainwash him to their side. This is who you want??

          • DaveH

            Sure, if you want our country to continue to be alternately raped by the military statists and the welfare statists:
            http://www.hermancain.com/the-issues

            We need somebody in office who has the wisdom of our founders, particularly Thomas Jefferson. We need somebody strong enough to stand against the status quo establishment and shrink the power and size of the Government dramatically. That somebody is Ron Paul.
            If Ron doesn’t get the Republican nomination, then we need to throw our weight behind the Libertarian Party candidate for President, the only political party that represents Freedom for the citizens.

          • mark

            Good, I hope you do that DaveH. That way Obama will be reelected for sure.

          • DaveH

            Should we do it Mark’s way and vote for the lesser of two evils, which is still just evil, and watch the Government continue growing, albeit more slowly under an establishment Republican? Do you want the slow painful death that Mark prefers, or do you want to vote for Principles and hope that the rest of Americans finally wake up and put a candidate in office who will lead this country back to the concept of Freedom that our Founders embraced?
            I prefer voting for the candidates who truly represent what I want, because after all, we can never achieve greatness if we don’t first strive for it.

          • Old Henry

            DaveH:

            I have been wondering for several minths whether the House is required to vet Obama (which was not done in Dec of 2008) in December of 2012 should he be re-elected. Or, since he has already served 4 years they will duck the issue, or are not required to do so.

          • JeffH

            Old Henry, the federal government and their agencies are not allwed by law to “vet” the POTUS or any other elected official. It is the states that are required to vet the candidates.

          • Jana

            Even though the GREAT and PERFECT Nancy Pelosi supposedly verified him. hmmm, wonder how much she made off of that little bit of fiction.

          • Kate8

            Jana – You mean Nancy “you have to elect him to find out what’s in him” Pelosi?

          • Jana

            Kate8,
            That IS her mentality all right. :)

        • Jibbs

          Please name thing he has done that is positive. Why doe’s the stock market drop every time he opens his mouth?
          His speech on Thursday will be the 10th time he has promised jobs, so, where are the jobs?

        • Guard SGT

          He is NOT President Obama. He is Usurper Barry Soetoro. That is his last known LEGAL name. Nothing he has done since becoming Usurper has any legal or Constitutional standing.

          I had to under go a detailed background investigation to get a Top Secret in the Air Force. I was just 19 back then.

          When Governor Palin was announced as VP in 2008, hundreds started digging into her past.

          Barry has been slamming the door on those brave enough to investigate him. He has spent millions keeping his secrets.

          September 14th, there is to be a court hearing to open his real birth record. This could get interesting.

          But since Barry’s Dad was a British Subject, Barry can NEVER be President. Barry was born a dual national and thus can never ever be President.

        • Jibbs

          Here you go Legg, I did your homework for you.

          Question: What are the Requirements to Become President?
          Answer: The Constitution lists three requirements for any individual wishing to become president of the United States. A president must:

          1) be a native-born U.S. citizens. Someone may be born abroad, but only if both parents were citizens of the United States. The only exception to this was for those around at the time the Constitution was adopted. Their requirement was that they had to be a citizen when the Constitution was adopted.

          2) be at least 35 years of age. The youngest president elected was 43 years old. However, there was one president who was even younger. Do you know who he was?

          3) have lived in the United States for at least 14 years to be president. This does not have to be consecutive or even the 14 years leading up to becoming president.

          Obviously, a lot more is needed than this. The candidate must be acceptable to a large number of people across the nation. Nonetheless, these are the minimum constitutional requirements for someone to become president of the United States.

          http://americanhistory.about.com/od/uspresidents/f/presidential_requirements.htm

          • http://www.soldbylynch.com Brian

            Unfortunately, at least 50% of the voters voted for him…(At least that is what ‘they’ told us!) THAT 50% are IDIOTS…

          • ALL AMERICAN

            I will never believe that 50% of U.S. Citizens voted for this Socialist Creep.

          • Legal Citizen

            Actually, eligibility number 1 you have listed is incorrect. The article where you get your information is also wrong. “Native born” is not “Natural Born”. Qualifications you have listed are partially correct.

            1. An individual must be a “Natural Born” citizen to qualify to run for President of the U.S.

            http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A2Sec1

            Probably should make sure your information is from a qualified source.

            A “native born” citizen is one who does NOT have parent(s) born in the U.S.

          • Thinking About

            Actually if one parent is a citizen and even if you are not born in the US qualifies you as a natural born. Think about our military they are located in another country and have a child even born in another country they are classified as a natural born citizen of the US because of their parent being a citizen. This birther issue needs to be put to bed a long time ago and the energy placed on this matter spent to get this great nation going. It does not matter who is in Congress or president common sense should dictate we need to pull ourselves up by the bootstrap and do what is necessary. Even if Libertians,Democrats or Republicians are in control in 2013 why are we waiting that long. Someone has got to stand up and be a hero.

        • http://flowerbug4u@att.net alice garcia

          You have to be out of your mind, this guy has put czar in place to distroy america. You must believe in a socialist government or you don’t under stand politics. Or on a government program, He hasn’t done nothing for mexican or blacks or whites, but put them on unemployment and on welfare and the loss of there job. change your atitude and get this guy out of office. We are allready half way down the tube. China owns us. He has spent your children earnings by a long shot.

      • Andrew

        Unless you can guarantee that no liberals will be involved “clarifying” then it’s best left alone. It speaks plainly and clearly enough and if you add the numerous writings of the founding fathers then you can’t miss the meaning.

        • Jibbs

          Andrew,
          HIGH FIVE!! I agree 100%

        • ALL AMERICAN

          Amen.
          Leave it alone; don’t try to fix what is not broken.
          Perhaps it is the common-sense knowledge of the leftists trying to read it that is broken.

      • Kinetic1

        Robin,
        By definition clarification is change to at least some. Mr. Ringer said it himself: ” I would be concerned about who would be doing the redrafting.” He is certain that HE understands what the founders had in mind when they used the term “general welfare”, but many Constitutional scholars would disagree with him. HE is certain he has a clear understanding of where the founders would stand on gun ownership in our modern world, but many would say he is wrong. And so Mr. Ringer wishes to “clarify” these issues, even though the Supreme Court has made ruling after ruling on the meaning of these very words. So why should he want clarification? Because he wants to change those decisions with which he does not agree. Clear enough?

    • wayne a

      Ron,how do you figure that he wants to change the constitution for his own agenda? if that was the case Rubio wouldn’t be allowed to serve and Rubio has never hidden the facts of his ancestry or birth like some politicans we know..you need to read the article again.sounds to be like a typical obamacrat that will do anything to draw attention away from the fact that Obama is not legally eligible to be president.

    • http://www.personalityliberty.com Alice

      Ron, Americans who want our politicians, especially the presidential ones, to obey the Constitution should not have to bear vitriol from liberals who hate our laws while professing to believe we are a nation of laws. If a person stonewalls any question, it is natural to suspect there is a reason for it. It does not make one a conspiracy nut. It just means we have common sense. I never thought Oboma was other than he professed himself to be until he began to avoid clarifying the issues and his media and political myrmidons started jeering at anyone who questioned him. Me thinks Oboma protests too much.

      • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

        Chester A. Arthur was finally proven, far too late, to have lied about his citizenship and procured false documents to show. He was a very corrupt President, also. But he kept the facts hidden.

        I wonder what will come out after Obama passes on and folks get to digging?

        • ALL AMERICAN

          …A Cluster-F…

  • Vicki

    “Among the items that need clarification are….. the 2nd Amendment (needs an “and” before “the right of the people to keep and bear arms”)….”

    Well, Actually, only for non-native English speaking folk. For those of us who actually learned English the 2nd amendment is quite clear.

    http://www.mcsm.org/english.html

    Then again if our forefathers and any clue how dumb we would become (“Depends on what the definition of “is” is”) or what is a natural-born citizen, they would probably have thrown in the towel and let King George have us.

    • Dagney

      LOL! Too right. Good post and link!

    • Wu Ming Ren

      Thanks for the link, Vicki. I’m sharing that with a lot of friends.

      It occurs to me that liberals must corrupt the language in order to deceive people. Moreover, the reason they oppose making English our official language is because they can further corrupt the original meanings of things in the translations they provide. There is always something lost in translation, but intentional misrepresentation could easily go undetected. I wonder if there are any watchdogs checking on the accuracy of all the foreign-language materials being published by liberal groups and liberal agents within the government. It might prove useful to verify the accuracy of all translations of the Constitution and its amendments.

      • ALL AMERICAN

        The above comments are the reason that English should be the only language spoken in the UNITED STATES of AMERICA. PERIOD!!!

        • mark

          Si, si, tiene razon, mi amigo a este punto.

      • mark

        Yeah watch out fer dem damn fureners! They’re out to git us wit that Sharia Law! Speakin’ all kinda funny languages an what not! Hell all we need is the Bible, some taters, and sammiches.

    • Jibbs

      Vicki
      Thank you for the link, it’s all stated in PLAIN english.

  • Angel Wannabe

    More Nanny Foo Foo, play ground politics_I’d expect nothing less, from media. With they’re “your picking on my friend(Obama), mentality, now I’m gonna pick on yours (Rubio)!
    __Washington Politics is the same now, as it was a hundred years ago. AND that is, who ever is slinging the best Bullsh*t of the day_ WINS!

    The Messiah’s numbers are tanking, the economy is still in the tank & Liberal policies still suck. They need some ammo to at least stay in the game. The Libs campaigned hard to get Bam Bam in there, and now the only thing hes delivered so far, is the continued destruction of America, and hands on How-to Govern by Executive Order!(I believe we could find that on You tube)

    Again, much like the commies who’ve taken over the Dems, the Libs are hi-jacking “the Movement” of vetting folks like Rubio,(when they let Bam Bam slide on charm) who has a sincere interest in what America is. I agree with R.Ringer, Rubio hasn’t NEAR the mysterious past our current Commander and Thief has. They know it, but in they’re famous I’ll kick you when you down fashion, they’ll make something up anyway!

    Rubio isn’t after to Fundamentality transform America into European Socialism like Bam Bam, if anything he wants to re-capture & preserve the greatness his family wanted to be a part of, America.

    You just keep showing your true colors more and more Libs,(like the Teaparty can go straight to hell and all the teabagger jokes) because more of the American people just keep waking up, to the liars you really are!____Yeah I’ll borrow Maxine Waters comment, but with a twist, you Liberals can go straight to hell_ ;p

    • eddie47d

      Dear Angel “I’ll kick you when you are down fashion,they’ll make something of it anyway”. You serve your own quote well and hit yourself square in the face with “humble” pie. If you haven’t noticed everyone who comments here makes something out of nothing and “your side” is definitely in the majority.

      • JeffH

        Dear eddie…I can only suggest that YOU practice what you preach…otherwise you’re just another hypocrit!

        • eddie47d

          I see Jeff is trailing my behind and loving it. Don’t worry Jeff I practice what I preach so get over your self.

          • JeffH

            Are you sure you’re not a 14 or 15 year old teenager? You definately sound like it!

            Oh, you just told another lie…you practice what you preach? Don’t even go there…Geeesh! LMAO!

          • eddie47d

            I went there so once again get over yourself. Seems like troll Jeff always likes to call the other person a troll. LOL

      • Angel Wannabe

        eddie47D__PFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTT!…..ats ’bout all your comment deserves and all your gonna get! :)

        • eddie47d

          I see you ran out of gas again or maybe you are full of gas and can’t find the release button.

    • mark

      Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. Want to make a big stink out of natural born citizens? It can also be done to Republican poster boys like Rubio. How do you like it now?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        There speaks a 5 year old.

      • Vicki

        I like it a lot. It won’t hurt the Republicans nor Rubio but it will burn liberals to tears, clearly demonstrate their arrogant hypocracy and get the illegal Obama Presidency nullified.

        And as a plus we might get yet another definition of Natural Born. :)

        Though I thought the founding fathers definition was just fine. They didn’t have a glossary for the Constitution cause they expected people to get smarter with age and not dumber.

        It could never have occurred to them that some future president would ask/challenge the definition of the word “is” let alone “Natural-Born”.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Vicki, wouldn’t that be raw justification to nullify the Obama poilicies & the Regime??__Good Lord, I can just hear the bleeting liberal sheep, should that happen!

  • Professor

    My understanding of citizenship is that you are either born a citizen or become a naturalized citizen. What other methods are available to achieve citizenship of the US. Keep in mind that anchor babies are considered citizens of the US so why wouldn’t Rubio be considered a citizen via his birth in the US no matter the citizenship status of his parents? I really don’t see the basis of the many arguments about citizenship.

    • Gwen

      Of course, MR is a US citizen. That is not the question. He is NOT a Natural Born Citizen, which is a distinct requirement for the office of presidency per the US Constitution.

      • Diane

        Gwen,
        You are absolutely right. Too many confuse being a natural born with simply becoming a citizen by birth.

        One can not be born a Natural Born citizen if either of the parents were not themselves citizens. Rubio’s parents were not citizens of the US when Rubio was born.

        If he were allowed to claim being natural born then what if a couple visited this country and the woman gave birth and then the parents left this country but later returned to gain citizenship how would that be any different from Rubio or any other whose parent(s) were not citizens at the time of his birth?
        The reason why ‘duel citizenship’ is even mentioned in the constitution is for the reason of established loyalty which would be subject to doubt should parents not themselves be citizens. That is not my opinion but that of the founding fathers.

        • Morduin00

          Diane,

          Please direct me to the paragraph in the Constitution where it states that a condition of being a natural born citizen is that your parents have to be citizens of this country? Also, where does it discuss duel citizenship?

          Unfortunately, the Constitution clearly delineates ‘born’ and ‘naturalized’. I say unfortunately because that cause (pp1, 14th amendment) states that anchor babies are citizens. However, their parents are not. Born citizens are eligible for the presidency, naturalized citizens are not.

          A common mistake is accepting common law as constitutional law. It is common law that indicates that if a person’s parents are US citizens, then the child “inherits” the citizenship of the parents.

          Officially, the US does not allow for duel citizenship. If you claim to be a citizen of another country, your US citizenship is null and void. You are either a US citizen or you are not. Plain and simple.

          Regards.

          • Jibbs

            Please see my post above to answer you Q’s.

          • OldNYFirefighter

            Dual Citizenship makes one ineligible to the office of the President & that is why Obama is not eligible to be in that office. #1 – If he is who he says he is (no proof of that either), his Father was a British Citizen from a British Colony that is now Kenya at the time of Obama’s birth. That gives Obama dual Citizenship even if he was born in Hawaii. #2 – If he was born in Kenya, he may not even be a Citizen of the USA because his Mother was not old enough to give her child US Citizenship. She was 18 when Obama was born, but had to be 19 to transfer her Citizenship to her son. #3 – That doesn’t even bring into play the Natural Born Citizen status. Some say anyone born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen due to the 14th Amendment, but that is not what the 14th Amendment says. It says anyone born in the USA is a Citizen (Natural Born is not even mentioned). If anyone born in the USA was a Natural Born Citizen, that would make the Founding Fathers Natural Born Citizen requirement moot. They would have said Citizen rather then Natural Born Citizen, as Naturalized Citizens were ineligible. The SCOTUS will have to make a ruling on what the meaning of “Natural Born” means or this controversy will be a never ending argument for all parties.

        • mark

          Some of the most disloyal American citizens were born in the United States, the children of two U.S. citizens parents. Several of them were executed or sentenced to jail for espionage and/or treason. Being born here from 2 U.S. citizen parents does not make one a loyal American citizen. In fact from my own experience I have met many immigrants to the United States who have been much more patriotic than the people born here. So much being a natural born citizen!

    • mickey

      The idea was not to have any ties to any other country of natural origin. Imagine Chavez’ son comes to the US and marries a US citizen. They have a son but is brought up with opposing views.

      Two US citizens with a child would only know US. No allegience to any other country.

      The founding fathers were smart. Otherwise, we may have had a US born child but with parents that had a very strong allegience to Britain.

      None of my sons could be president because my spouse was not a citizen. And yes, my spouse emphasized the country of national origin. Good for the kids since they can speak more than one language and are very worldly but for that very fact, wouldn’t it be a suspicion that they may lean toward a NWO????

      I’ve lived in two cities, very small, that I personally met two different “America’s Most Wanted”. These men were very cordial, very polite, hiding in small town America. And they were both very much wanted for murder.

      So a wolf in sheep’s clothing exists even in citizens but the proper vetting would have revealed that.

      I think it was the DNC that was responsible for vetting and that was Pelosi et al.

    • rulken

      Well professor, I would argue the point that “anchor babies” are natural born citizens. I believe, that at least one of your parents have to be a USA. citizen. If that’s not the law, it should be!

  • JUKEBOX

    This is just another example of the vitriolic, duplicitous rhetoric of the liberal Democrat machine. If the Secret Service and FBI had fulfilled their obligation to properly vette Obama before he won the nomination, we would not be having this discussion.
    I listened to Obama and Hoffa yesterday, and wondered if they have listened to their own words, or just read the teleprompter blindly.
    Their words would be criticized if it were the conservatives were speaking them about this administration.

    • mickey

      I amy be wrong but I think unions are exempt from prosecution for any destruction they cause “on union business”. Pretty safe position since they are responsible for millions of dollars of destruction of public property in WI. Wait until the next round and the good ole knee capping begins anew.

      • eddie47d

        There was no millions of dollars in damages in Wisconsin. That is more right wing trash talk… Unless Haliburton was doing the clean up and jacked up the cost.

      • Jibbs

        You may want to read this, I’m not sure if it answers your Q’s, but is worth reading. I was in a union for over 15 years, and know first hand how they lie to the members. My father was in for 43 yrs. & oldest brother for 40yrs.

        We have all come to the same conclusion, they are always good for business. For the most part, members are second class citizens and the union heads come first and foremost.

        I have always asked and was never answered: Why do company owers sit on the union board? Doe’s that seem fair? I don’t think so.
        But I’m sure 47d will say that I lie, when in fact I have no reason to lie.

        http://mises.org/daily/1685

        • Jibbs

          BTW, I dumped the union when I found out how they were screwing all of us.

        • eddie47d

          I never heard of an owner sitting on the union board although I see nothing wrong with that. That should give the union some oversight which you should approve of. Besides it is the owners company.

  • Ron Bedell

    Ron Paul for President 2012. Forget Rubio, Herman Cain, and all your other Internationalists.

    • crystal

      I like Ron Paul, but he’s very naive about a lot of things.

      • DaveH

        Name one, Crystal, so that I can demonstrate that it is you who are naive.

        • Alex

          I’m with you Dave, and I am noting a lack of reply from her.

          • Gentisle

            As a Canadian observer, it amazes me to see how many people have opinions on this senator from Texas, Ron Paul, without knowing an inkling of who and what this man represents. I can safely say that outside of the U.S. Ron Paul has more supporters than inside of it. To the rest of the world, this is the only guy in congress who actually does what he swore he would do when he was elected, which is to uphold the CONSTITUTION of the United States of America. Bravo to this one man, who has managed to start a movement of “smartening up” Americans as opposed to “dumbing them down” even more.

            If more Americans would actually read their own constitution, they would realize that it is high time something be done to change the 5 monkeys in power right now (see the 5 monkey theory if you don’t know it yet) and regain the greatness that used to be America.

            Good Luck to all my American friends in achieving a return to what America used to be and what made America great.
            cheers,

            Gentisle.

          • DaveH

            Gentisle,
            Thank you for your input from the point of view of an outside observer.

          • Kate8

            DaveH – Amazing, isn’t it, how foolish Americans must look to the rest of the world.

            We have someone who stands for everything we want, yet we continue to elect the same old, same old. So, nothing changes.

            What was the definition of insanity again?

      • James

        I think ‘cautious’ would be a better word. If he were more outspoken he’d be expelled from Congress.

      • OldNYFirefighter

        I also like Ron, but I don’t see him beating Obama in 2012. If all Tea Party, Libertarians. Conservatives & Republicans would stick together, he would have a land slide victory. I would love that to happen, but unfortunately I don’t see that happening. If anyone knows how to coordinate this type of cooperation, I am game. I am to the point I would vote for Goofy if I knew he could win against our Marxist in chief. Obama can always be prosecuted for his crimes later, we need to vote on a Candidate that will have overwhelming support to insure Obama DemoRats & Rhino’s are removed in the next election. This Country’s survival depends on removing Obama in 2012.

    • Vic Bailey

      Ron Paul or “NOT AT ALL”, he would help us get rid of some of the greedy crooks in Washington. Without him we’re just going to get another screwing and probably worse, with the Elitist finishing off America and our way of life. End the lobbist, unions, politically correct, if someone is a greedy crook, THAT IS WHAT ARE, if they are against our Constitution then they are a traitor, like the 80 some regestered Socialist that is IN OUR GOVERNMENT, if they are Socialist they can’t uphold our Constitution, THEY NEED GONE, starting with John Lewis from Georgia. Semper Fi.

      • rulken

        No your wrong about Ron Paul being the best choice for presidential candidate, here’s why, Ron really has no stomach for foreign policy, and he truly is naive about the middle east. He is a man of deep convictions and a true patriot who loves this great country.
        That said, I would ask you to consider your attention be given to Michelle Bachmann, and/or Cain who are also great patriots and persons of great integrity. Both have a great working knowledge of business and what is needed to get this nation back to work. Both are also constitutionalists as well! Both want to return this nation back to what the founding fathers had set out to do.

        • Jibbs

          Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cain, or any other GOP running for POTUS, has never ever mentioned the Constitution. Only Ron Paul has.
          R.P. 2012

        • Vicki

          What our foreign policy should be is trivial to describe. I don’t have any doubt that an honest man such as Ron Paul would have any problem upholding it.

          Here is a link to what our foreign policy should be.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gadsden_flag.svg

        • DaveH

          Where in the Constitution, Rulken, does it give the United States the Power to be the World’s Policemen?
          Constitutionalists my fanny.

          • DaveH

            And in the case of Michele, she has voted for the Unconstitutional Patriot Act. And you call her a Constitutionalist?

    • Guard SGT

      Ron Paul is an isolationist. That is what starts World Wars. That is a simple fact of history.

      So if you want a World War, you want Ron Paul!

      I don’t and won’t support Ron Paul. He is as dangerous as Usurper Barry Soetoro

      • professor

        I have to add that the chance of a WWIII is great! It doesn’t matter who is president…the progressives and the muslims have joined forces for a common cause! The Middle East will be the perpetrators and the majority of the world population will succumb to annilation.

        We do need a president that is a true American… one that, can save what he can of, this country! (Rather than one that will join forces with his “muslim brothers.)

        Ron Paul may not be that man, but a little more “isolationism” might save a country on the brink that is spending massive amounts of American dollars to prop-up foreign economies.

        “International welfare,” has to stop. Foreign banks and countries must get their own “houses” in order. We no longer can afford to support and defend the world. Keep our dollars in this economy and see the improvement, when we get rid of those sucking this country dry!

        Later, we can negotiate with our “friends,” for the help they want….and, it must benefit Americans when taxpayers dollars are sent out of country (instead of benefiting the “gift giving” politicians.)

      • Vicki

        And if we hire someone else and get world war anyway are you going to blame Bush?

        This should be our foreign policy.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gadsden_flag.svg

      • DaveH

        First of all, Guard, Ron Paul is not an isolationist. He is a non-interventionist. He is for much freer world trade than we now have. He just doesn’t believe in Empire Building and imposing our politics on other countries by force.
        Secondly, please explain to me how trading with other countries, instead of occupying them (and creating new enemies), would lead to a world war?
        And a few examples of how isolationism (which Ron Paul doesn’t advocate) creates wars would be nice also.

        Before you use World War II as an example, it would be a good idea to read this book and get some knowledge:
        http://mises.org/books/pearl_harbor_greaves.pdf

    • http://hazardoustomyhealth.com Charles

      Excuse me!!! Ron Paul for President in 2012??? Ron Paul is almost as bad as Bam Bam, given his stance on foreign policy I.E. “TERRORISTS”. Come on people, wake up. Ron Paul should be in a rocking chair somewhere, but not on the WHITE HOUSE front porch, maybe seizure world’s front porch. Herman Cain is the only one that is in touch with what America needs, “HE IS ONE OF US”!!!
      I for one do not want some old man in the drivers seat that is afraid to uphold “PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH” ideas. Yes our country is in turmoil, but we don’t need someone who thinks that doing nothing is going to make all the boogy men of this world go away. We need a leader that knows what hard work and committment means, and it sure isn’t a Ron Paul!

      • eddie47d

        Instead of using our strengths to defend our country we use it as a club to beat other countries into submission to suit our values…(military industrial complex).

        • Vicki

          Our strength is the freedom and liberty our forefathers gave us. Creating a standing army and then beating up other countries is not what they created for a free people.

          What our foreign policy should be in a short single statement
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gadsden_flag.svg

      • DaveH

        The terrorists (and the boogey men) are leading this country, Charles. Try to imagine how you might feel if you were a citizen of another country being occupied by US military.
        An example:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

        Trial from helicopter. Listen to the urgency to hurry up and kill these men. The Empire Strikes back. And Charles thinks they’re over there saving us?

        • DaveH

          These people are murderers. No doubt about it. And they operate freely because brainwashed people like Charles think it’s okay to kill people as long as you say “I’m from the Government”.

  • fred martin

    whom to beleive IN GOD WE TRUST?

  • Harry Riley

    Paul R. Hollrah September 5, 2011

    The Rubio Eligibility Question

    by Paul R. Hollrah

    On June 4, 2011 I published an analysis of Barack Obama’s eligibility to serve as President of the United States. The analysis, titled “The Obama Eligibility Question,” provided convincing proof that he is not a “natural born” citizen as required by Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution.

    Now, just months later, many conservatives who are convinced of Obama’s ineligibility are getting their shorts in a knot over the possibility of having Florida Senator Marco Rubio as the 2012 Republican nominee for vice president. Unquestionably, Rubio would be an exceptional choice and an exceptional president or vice president. But if we are convinced that Obama is ineligible to serve because he fails to meet the “natural born” standard, then we must also apply that same standard to Marco Rubio. We cannot have it both ways.

    As conservatives and as Republicans, we differ from liberals and Democrats in that we actually hold ourselves to constitutional principles and the rule of law.

    First, let us compare Rubio’s eligibility to that of Arnold Schwarzenegger, who expressed an interest in running for president shortly after he became Governor of California. What do Rubio and Schwarzenegger have in common? The one thing they have in common is that both were born to parents, both of whom were citizens of a foreign country at the time of their birth.

    The primary difference between the two is that Schwarzenegger was born in Austria to Austrian parents, while Rubio was born in the United States to parents who were Cuban citizens. Hence, those who assert that Rubio is eligible to serve, while Schwarzenegger is not, are forced to rely solely on the fact that Rubio was born on U.S. soil. This leads to the irrational conclusion that to be born on American soil is to be “native born,” and that to be “native born” is equivalent to being “natural born.” It is not. To insist that Rubio is a “natural born” citizen because he is “native born” is to say that the nationality and citizenship of one’s parents is of no significance.

    So if place of birth is paramount, as claimed by supporters of Rubio and Obama, what of men such as Governor George W. Romney (R-MI), who sought the Republican nomination in 1968, and Senator John McCain, who was the Republican nominee in 2008? Romney was born in Chihuahua State, Mexico, to parents who were both U.S. citizens, while McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to parents, both of whom were U.S. citizens.
    When McCain’s eligibility was questioned by Republicans in early 2008, former U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson, a conservative Republican, and Harvard Law professor Laurence H. Tribe, a liberal Democrat, were jointly assigned the task of researching the issue of McCain’s eligibility. In a March 19, 2008 memorandum, Olson and Tribe concluded that, “based on original meaning of the Constitution, the Framers’ intentions, and subsequent legal and historical precedent, Sen. McCain’s birth, to parents who were U.S. citizens serving on a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936, makes him a ‘natural born Citizen’ within the meaning of the Constitution.”
    Both Romney and McCain, in spite of being born on foreign soil, were found to be “natural born” citizens because, in each instance, both parents were American citizens.
    (NOTE: Although Obama’s eligibility was seriously in doubt, no one in Democratic circles questioned his qualifications. This in spite of the fact that, after he had won the Democratic nomination, officers of the Democratic National Convention provided certification to only one state, the State of Hawaii, declaring that, “… the following candidates for President and Vice President of the United States are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution.” That language was purposely deleted from certifications sent to the other forty-nine states. The only conclusion one can reach is that the Democrats knew when they nominated him that Obama was ineligible to serve. They failed to properly vet him because they lacked the courage to explain to black constituents that the first and only black man ever to have a serious shot at the presidency was, in fact, a usurper.)

    So if the place of one’s birth is of no consequence, as in the case of Romney and McCain, and if the nationality of one’s parents is of no consequence, as in the case of Rubio and Obama, we are then left with the absurd proposition that anyone… male or female, born anywhere on the face of the Earth… is eligible to serve as President of the United States, so long as they are 35 years of age and have resided in the United States for at least 14 years.

    That simply cannot be the case. It leads us directly back to the conclusion that the term “natural born” means something far more than merely being born on American soil of mixed or foreign parentage, and far more than being born on U.S. soil with dual U.S. and foreign citizenship.
    In drafting the U.S. Constitution, particularly that section of Article II, Section 1 relating to the qualifications for president and vice president, the Framers relied on the wisdom of a 1758 legal treatise by Swiss philosopher Emerich de Vattel titled, “The Law of Nations.” In Book One, Chapter 19, Section 212 of that treatise, titled, “Of the citizens and natives,” Vattel wrote:
    “… The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens… The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. I say that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner (e.g. Barack Obama and Marco Rubio), it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country (emphasis added).”
    A century later, in 1866, John A. Bingham, the chief Framer of the 14th Amendment… which granted citizenship to the freed slaves… wrote as follows: “Every human being born within the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty (emphasis added) is, in the language of the Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”

    Like Vattel, Bingham understood that the term “natural born” applied only to those whose parents were both American citizens and who owed allegiance to no foreign sovereignty. He also understood that the term “natural born” could not apply to those who owed allegiance to a foreign sovereignty through dual citizenship (e.g. Barack Obama, who held dual US-British citizenship from August 4, 1961 through December 11, 1963; dual US-Kenyan citizenship from December 12, 1963 through August 4, 1984; and dual US-Kenyan citizenship from August 4, 2010 to the present).

    The presidency of Chester A. Arthur, who became president in 1881 when President James Garfield was assassinated, has also been called into question because his father was a non-citizen, an Irish immigrant, when he was born. His case is not unlike that of Barack Obama, whose father was a Luo tribesman from Nyanza Province, Kenya, at the time of his birth.

    However, to allow the unchallenged presidencies of Chester A. Arthur and Barack Obama to set a precedent for future presidencies would be a great disservice, not only to the Founders, but to future generations of Americans, as well. In order to clarify the issue and to prevent a future constitutional crises over presidential eligibility, the Congress should take immediate steps to clarify the issue, establishing by law the definition of “natural born Citizen.” They may wish to define the term as: “an individual born to parents, both of whom were United States citizens, and neither of whom owed allegiance to any foreign sovereignty, at the time of the birth.”
    Those who have great expectations for Senator Rubio should not despair; the country has other ways in which to avail itself of his passionate love of country. For example, the Constitution sets no “natural born Citizen” qualification for appointment to the U.S. Supreme Court. Rubio would be an excellent candidate for appointment to the U.S. Supreme Court by a future Republican president.
    If appointed at age 50, or before, Rubio could be expected to serve at least three decades on the court. Along with reliable conservatives Roberts, Alito, Scalia, and Thomas, all relatively young men, Rubio could play a far more important role in the history of the United States than he could as a two-term president. As a member of the high court, he could make the lives of liberals Kagan, Sotomayor, and Breyer so miserable that each day on the court would be, for them, an ideological nightmare. But to think of him as our president, the leader of the Free World, is to engage in mere wishful thinking.

    • Gwen

      Excellent!

    • DaveH

      We haven’t been Free for over 150 years, Harry.

    • George E.

      Harry,

      I really appreciate the time and effort you put into constructing this very lucid and logical argument. It makes sense to me and I think it should help those seeking fairness, balance, and legality to establish a solid position on this question. Thanks.

    • Paul Smith

      The Rubio Eligibility Question

      by Paul R. Hollrah
      —————

      Thanks very much for posting that, Harry. It will be widely distributed!

    • Falcon99

      Thank you for inserting this article. Our founding fathers understood Emerich de Vattel’s, “The Law of Nations.” Today, our education system teaches that any person born in the USA could become president; the difference in “native born” and “natural born” is never taught. The birth certificate is a mute point. The very fact that President Obama’s father was NOT an American citizen, and did in fact owe allegiance to Britain at the time of Obama’s birth, makes him ineligible for the presidency. Likewise, Marco Rubio is ineligible.

    • eddie47d

      Interesting comments Harry and worth debating. Now if G. Romney was born in Mexico to American parents then he is a Mexican citizen with American parents. If a Mexican couple comes to the USA and has a child the parents are still Mexican yet the child is American.That would have left Romney’s parents with the duty to petition/apply for American citizenship when they returned. If the Mexican couple wanted to return to Mexico and wanted their child to be Mexican then they would have to go through the same process there.

      • Harry Riley

        I believe your assumption is wrong Eddie……An child born to American citizens in Mexico does not become Mexican citizen…the child becomes an American citizen, no matter where he/she is born. Other nations do not recognize births as citizens of their nations as America does…….

  • OneDamnAngryAmerican

    BO’s birth certificate says that his race is “African-American.” Sorry, FOOLS, but the term ‘AFRICAN-AMERICAN’ wasn’t even invented then. The terms “negroe” and “negroid” was put on bith certificates back then and African-American wasn’t even invented until 20 years after Barry was BORN! Anybody know who invented it? I guess BO was correct with his off-mike comment, “The American people are all a bunmch of morons!” was made. Plus, forget about the comments made by 50+ ex-CIA/Intelligent agents who say the the birth certificate has been photo chopped “AT LEAST 50 TIMES!”

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      The facts nothing but the facts

      Today, I took a look at the entries in the Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd ed., for African-American and the prefix Afro-.

      Afro-American was first used as an adjective in 1853 in a publication in Windsor, Ontario, Voice of the Fugitive. The OED2 lists examples of Afro-American and Aframerican from 1890, 1898, 1910, 1934, 1939, and 1944, the last being a use of Aframerican from an article by H.L. Mencken.

      African-American was first used as a noun in 1855 and as an adjective in 1858. The OED2 gives cites for one or the other use from 1858, 1885, 1890, 1925, 1962, 1969, 1973, 1979, and later.

      • Thor

        The flaw in your logic, Sarge, is that having been added to a lexicon is not direct evidence a term was commonly used on birth certificates or other formal documents at the time of someone’s birth. And the FACT is that neither ‘Afro-American’ nor ‘African American’ was in use for that purpose at that time.

        • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

          The Certificate of Live Birth shows the Fathers Race as African nothing on that document lists the child’s race
          This is just to easy

          • Guard SGT

            Many experts has called this so called document a forgery.

            SO are you into Rather’s fake, but accurate standard????

          • Vicki

            The clearest example of forgery in the BC released to the public in apr 2011 is the white halo around all the text. The WHOLE reason for security paper is to show attempts to alter a document. ANYONE can look at the paper and see that the security paper imprints are missing near the text thus showing that the document has been tampered with.

            All else that has been discovered about the document since merely re-enforces this observation.

    • SJvet

      Actually, the phony birth certificate lists the race as African, which is not a race. Caucasian, Negro, Asian, etc. are races. A caucasian can be from one of many countries, as can negroes and Asians.

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        Don’t be afraid to check out the web site bellow or be afraid it’s your choice.The Facts Are The Facts
        http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

        • Guard SGT

          Sorry Sarge, Snopes is NOT a reliable source on this topic! Never ever trust Snopes when it comes to politics.

          You must do much better!

          • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

            OK how about this web site

            http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

            Enjoy

          • Guard SGT

            Hey Sarge, I guess you accept a forgery as real.

            A number of experts have shown both are forgeries.

          • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

            What experts ? affiliated with whom ? Just because you say experts I’m to follow blindly I think not. Like most people who visit this site you provide no facts to back up your assertions only Bovine Scatology

          • Vicki

            we don’t need experts. Just need eyes.

            The clearest example of forgery in the BC released to the public in apr 2011 is the white halo around all the text. The WHOLE reason for security paper is to show attempts to alter a document. ANYONE can look at the paper and see that the security paper imprints are missing near the text thus showing that the document has been tampered with.

            All else that has been discovered about the document since merely re-enforces this observation.

          • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

            Vicki you were able to see the document in question with your own eyes You truly are a Special person in more then one way

          • Vicki

            SMSgt Z retired Nam 68: demonstrates English comprehension by writing:
            “Vicki you were able to see the document in question with your own eyes You truly are a Special person in more then one way.”

            Cute but not subtle ad hominem attack. Since you did not originally have a point there is no debate for you to have lost.

            If you too would like to be a “special person” just go to the website provided by the WH and look for yourself at the PDF (the very same PDF that we talk about) with your very own eyes.

            Here, let me help.
            http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

            The link was still working at the time of this writing.

        • Albert W. L. Moore, Jr.

          Yep, born in the U.S.A. to two U.S. citizen parents, both U.S. citizens, adopted by Stanley Ann Dunham and Obama an alien black Luo tribesman, taken to Indonesia, lost U.S. citizenship in acquiring and exercising Indonesian citizenship.

          The invocation of public investigative authority is needed to confirm the facts and resolve Obama’s eligibility. A thorough official investigation will also turn up a trash trove of corruption and sedition, so bad not even the Democrats will want him.

      • mark

        No, it lists the race of his father as African since he was born in Kenya. It does not list the race of the baby – Barak Hussein Obama II – at all.

    • mark

      That is a flat out lie. The long-form birth certificate does not even have a category for the baby’s race only for the race of his father and mother that are both listed as African and Caucasian respectively. You don’t know what you are talking about. But don’t worry, neither do many others on this site.

      Here is the long form certificate:

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/27/white-house-releases-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate/

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    Marco Antonio Rubio born May 28, 1971 Born to a family of Cuban exiles.When did this family come to the USA and when did they apply for citizenship? Bob you could have answered this question in your piece why didn’t you ?

    • Harry Riley

      Naturalizaton papers were filed in September 1975

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        “natural born” applied only to those whose parents were both American citizens and who owed allegiance to no foreign sovereignty.

        • Daniel from TN

          What you are referring to is called the Vattel Doctrine. It was used by most countries to define a natural born citizen. Even though never incorporated in written law it was assumed to be the definition for the US from its beginning. In fact, the US Supreme Court has confirmed the use of the Vattel Doctrine in several cases. Over the years Congress has modified the definition of natural born. One modification gives natural born status to a child of one citizen parent and a non-citizen parent IF that non-citizen parent has renounced citizenship in the previous country AND officially started the naturalization process at the time of the child’s birth. There is no modification allowing for natural born status of two non-citizen parents even if both have renounced previous citizenship and both started the naturalization process. Therefore, Rubio does not have natural born status and is ineligible to serve as president or vice-president. I wish he could because I believe he would make a great vice-president or president.

    • Harry Riley

      Here’s the actual documents Senator Rubio’s parents filed for naturalization……September 1975

      http://www.scribd.com/doc/56489970/Naturalization-Petition-Filed-in-Sep-1975-for-Mario-Rubio-the-father-of-Senator-Marco-Rubio-born-May-1971

      Quite solid proof……

  • Sam I am

    birthers are stupid in mmy opinion, because they aren’t striking at the heart and root of the problems in this country. Yelling about Obama’s BC is like me being concerned about my few-dollar value toilet paper burning while the entire house is burning and my family is in danger.

    Obama is an empty telepromter reading suit who is just a cog in the globalist machine. More attention should be given to the CEOs of the major banks who openly steal trillions in bailouts.

    • mar

      The CEOs did not “steal” that bailout money. While I disagree with bailing out the banks, the car companies, insurance, etc, those receiving the funds did not steal them – it was given to them with no strings attached. Stupidity on the part of our elected officials and since we elected those same officials, I guess that makes us pretty stupid. Hopefully, we will investigate more carefully before we put our X next to a politician.

    • DaveH

      The truth is that the banks would be powerless without the Force of Big Government. Big Government is the disease. The Federal Reserve is a symptom of that disease (a big one to be sure). We need to focus our attention on getting the Federal Government back to the size intended by the signers of the United States Constitution, and as championed by the Jeffersonians. As Jefferson repeatedly warned our ancestors, Government by nature will grow uncontrollably unless carefully watched and restrained by the citizens.
      After we get the Federal Government back to its Constitutional size, we need to go to work on our State Governments.

    • mickey

      The significance of this is if it is ignored, it leaves open for any foreigner to become head of state to the US. It would set a precedence.

      And yes, Rome is burning, it would burn less if he were removed from office and his policies thrown out the door. We will survive the aftermath. If he stays, he may well be the first head of state for the NWO.

    • Guard SGT

      Once Barry is finally ousted for not being NBC, everything he has done is legally and Constitutional mute. All his court judges are removed from the bench. All his Czars are history and all the rules they have dictitorally imposed on us are stricken.

      The deomcrat party is destroyed.

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        More facts and look at all the Czar

        Summary table – Number of czars per administration
        President’s name In office Number of
        czar titles Number of
        appointees Appointees not
        confirmed by Senate
        Franklin Roosevelt 1933–1945 11 19 17
        Harry Truman 1945–1953 6 6 5
        Dwight Eisenhower 1953–1961 1 1 0
        Lyndon Johnson 1963–1969 3 3 1
        Richard Nixon 1969–1974 3 5 5
        Gerald Ford 1974–1977 2 2 2
        Jimmy Carter 1977–1981 2 3 2
        Ronald Reagan 1981–1989 1 1 1
        George H. W. Bush 1989–1993 2 3 0
        Bill Clinton 1993–2001 8 11 7
        George W. Bush 2001–2009 33 49 28
        Barack Obama 2009– 37 41 32

        • Vicki

          Well actually since SMS likes facts (Good btw) there are no czars in Obama’s admin nor in any of the listed by SMS. The source appears to be the media.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._executive_branch_czars

          “The list is subjective and imprecise, since frequently individuals or offices might be referred to by the nickname “czar” by some publication or a political opponent, yet the actual governmental official, a majority of publications and others do not use the term. For example, some[who?] consider czars to be only those officials who are appointed by the president without Senate confirmation.”

          First (mis) use of the term was in that well known socialist administration of FDR. (See link above)

      • Nadzieja Batki

        When a horse leaves the barn doesn’t he leave “plops” behind. By the same thinking these officials may leave governmental offices but they leave residual “plops” that you may think have been cleaned up but you may never be sure.

      • Daniel from TN

        I agree with all but your last statement. The Democrat Party will survive. It’s like spiders in a house. You can decrease their number but you can NEVER get rid of them completely.

        • Jana

          Daniel from TN,

          Good one! :)

    • Ellen

      Sam, Apparently you don’t realize that most bail out money given to the banks has been repaid with substantial interest. If not for bailing out the auto makers, TARP would’ve been a money maker for the govt. I do agree that Obama is an empty suit and the most logical way to stop his degradation of America is to impeach him. His citizenship is an impeachable offense. We can also throw in all the fraud surrounding it, like the fake FEID number that he uses for a Soc. Sec. number. What happened to his real birth certificate? Every American adult that has married or applied for a passport has their birth certificate. Why doesn’t Obama have his? Why did it take him years to provide it? Why did he wait until Trump’s badgering? Why couldn’t his people come up with a better fake? This Obama administration is a bunch of idiots.

  • Harry Riley

    Marco Rubio’s parents filed naturalization papers approximately 4 years after the birth of Senator Rubio…….

  • dallas wolff

    Most of you people need to really study the constitution cause you dont seem to know what it says wheather its the 1st, 2nd, 19th or 14th. You all seem to have a different version???
    Stop and think, Obamas dad was a kenyan. His mother divorced his dad and married another muslim from another foriegn country. That guy adopted Obama and he was named Barry. To this day there is no record of him changing his named to Barrack Obama??? Who is he??? How did he get a conneticut Social Security number having never lived there?? Folks, there is an imposter in the white house. You all, who voted him in office gave him a blank check to our treasury. Please folks wake up before you allow this imposter to turn this country into a muslim dictatorsdhip.

    • Shepherd

      If you don’t know wher his CT social security number comes from, read the Madsen report who investigated, that Obama and his mother were former CIA agents in Kenya and Indonesia. Read also the reports about the Obamas covert Vatican bank and spanish Santander bank accounts. The “long” birth certificate Obama provided is bad forgery. The fonts and graphics are created by layered images. The CIA is covering Obama because once the courts get solid evidence into their hands and noone stops them, it will cause a scandal without precedence which will cause worldwide uproar and loss of faith in the USA.

      • Daniel from TN

        Take a good look. They have already lost faith in the US.

  • Tammy

    My husband’s drivers license is expiring this year in Florida & he has been living & driving here for the past 20 years. He has the original birth certificate issued by the hospital at the time of his birth with his footprints on it. He went to the DL issuing place & they told him that this document was NOT good enough to get a simple drivers license renewed even though in the past it was. Now he has to get one issued from the state in which he was born. I’d love to know why Ovomit gets a pass on this one when all the citizens of this country have to provide a state issued certificate just to drive. Seems to me a double standard. Also the fact that the new issued certificate has a bar code on it. Is this supposed to curb identity theft or just another way to track law abiding citizens. Either way politicians are always infringing on my right to pursue happiness.

    • mickey

      I don’t know how it is in your state but most of the states I’ve been in only the hospital issues a certificate with footprints. It is not a bc. My bc is a photostat (reverse image, white lettering, black background) as are my sons.

      Interesting that there is a bar code. It is hard not to believe in conspiracy under obama. We just have to hold together.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLInio

    i know he is not a citizen of this country.

  • Brenda Choate

    It seems odd that any Mexican can cross our borders, birth their babies and the chiildren are considered citizens by nature of their being born on American soil. Yet, with politicans it becomes an issue. The XIV Admendment needs to be repealed. The natural citizen referred to in the Consitution was meant to prevent European royalty being eligible for the presidency. The XIV Admentment gave citizenship to the slaves after the Civil War. The courts have mulled the meaning by allowing anyone born on American soil to become a citizen, completely ignoring the “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” portion.

    • professor

      And, no other country foolishly bestows the rights of citizenship on every alien born in their country! They protect their country and population, so that it reflects the nationality of that particular country……This country is fractured by enclaves of foreigners, each group clamoring for the spoils!

  • mary Hobson

    Much to do about nothing, Obama, like it or not is our president.

    • Pat Bright

      Mary, Try telling a cop as you are pulled over for going 70mph through a school zone.Officer this is much to do about nothing, after all I am a driving instructor. Dear sweet Mary,breaking the law is breaking the law.

    • Guard SGT

      Barry is NOT my President.

      Barry is an unconstitutional Usurper.

      I reject all he has done as unconstitutional and not law in any form!

    • Daniel from TN

      Actually, obama is not my president or your president or our president because he is not THE president due to his ineligibility. When this is finally and legally revealed the next person sworn into the Oval Office will officially be the 44th president. Legally, we do not have a president at this time.

  • Harry Riley

    Harry Riley says:
    September 6, 2011 at 7:39 am
    Here’s the actual documents Senator Rubio’s parents filed for naturalization……September 1975, over four years after Senator Rubio’s birth.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/56489970/Naturalization-Petition-Filed-in-Sep-1975-for-Mario-Rubio-the-father-of-Senator-Marco-Rubio-born-May-1971

    Quite solid proof that Senator Marco Rubio was a dual citizen of Cuba and the United States at time of birth……dual sovereignty….

    • http://secondopinionpundits Michael

      What role will Permanent residency come into this picture. Permanent residency refers to a person’s visa status: the person is allowed to reside indefinitely within a country of which he or she is not a citizen. A person with such status is known as a permanent resident.

      • mickey

        Yeah, a strange twist. My spouse (if not dead already) would have been sent back to the country of origin once our divorce went through and the minor children grew up–no sponsor. Ironic, my spouse was not from Mexico but from Europe. Guess different laws for different countries.

    • Daniel from TN

      Rubio does not have dual allegiance if both his parents had renounced Cuban citizenship at the time of his birth.

  • tamarque

    Why do you keep this lie going about Obama. His birth certificate was made public and went viral on the internet for people to see.

    The problem with you and your minions is that you have no rational political position that serves the public and so keep up this emotional hype based on lies and fear. Give it up already.

    • Charlotte

      Nope because there has to be some validity to it or else it wouldn’t have persisted this long. With all the technical advances made it’s so easy to manipulate any paper or document.

      • mark

        But if ANY document can be fixed and created by technology as you claim, then this logically means that NO document is valid or trustworthy. This means we have ZERO proof that your birth certificate is valid or that the birth certificates of any Presidential candidate, Republican, Democrat, Independent, libertarian or conservative are valid either. Therefore there is no definitive proof for ANYONE that they are actually a U.S. citizen.
        In that case, the whole argument is moot. We just have to take people’s word for it, since as you claim all documents can be falsified and recreated today.

    • Charlotte

      Not only a make-over certificate but it has an address on it other than the hospital’s.

    • http://Newwavecomm.net Betty

      Hey there Honey bunch!! you need a refreshment course in your history class. Obama would not be paying millions if his BC was legit !!! Have you not wondered why Obama pays to keep his wedding photos hidden? Here is a clue for you. The wedding was a Muslim wedding and all attendees were in the Muslim garb, that includes Obama and his little woman. Now maybe you would pay out millions to keep your bc hidden, but, I sure as HECK would not. The only thing that is going to put a stop to this so desired information is for Obama to tell the truth. Our country should never be in doubt of our so called LEADER.
      You probably would learn a LOT from this refreshment course. Betty

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        When Trump was thinking about running and everyone from Rush to Beck were all giddy over him and were so proud that Trump demanded the Birth Certificate Trump sent people to Hawaii and he was going to have a great surprise for us. NO surprise just good byes

        • Guard SGT

          Watch Hawaii on September 14th. A court hearing will be held to see if or what if anything is in the files. Hawaii is fighting us seeing the truth.

          As you say facts are facts. So far you have none on this topic.

          I really doubt Barry could pass the same Top Secret background check I did.

      • mark

        Oh yeah, and you were at the wedding, right? Do you have pictures of it? I didn’t think so. Also for you information, there is no religious test for being President in our Constitution. You can follow any religion or no religion, it doesn’t matter. Neither does the president’s race disqualify him, though in the case of Obama it certainly does for so many who despise him.

    • http://secondopinionpundits Michael

      President Obama Birther issues is a laughing matter. Did not work in his quest for the Presidency and will not work in his reelection bid. Find another conspiracy theory for votes.

      • old1

        Michael the Natural Born issue is now world wide common knowledge. Obama, McCain, Rubio, Jindal will never again be President nor VP! The question is will Obama be arrested and put in chains before 2012. That is chains we can truly depend on!

  • George

    Even this wonderful article is missing the point. There has never been a release of any “Birth Certificate”, long form or otherwise. There has only been a “Certificate of Live Birth” produced. The “Birth Certificate” would be issued if he were born in any hospital in Hawaii. There is no “Birth Certificate” per the Governor of Hawaii, only the “Certificate of Live Birth” (Maybe). The “Certificate of Live Birth” can be obtained by bringing your baby, that was not born in any hospital, to the hospital & reporting the birth. For his eligibility he will need to produce a “Birth Certificate” and there is none. We, American Citizens & legal voters, should ban together to block entrance to all public voting locations if this Law is again allowed to be broken. It is our, and the authorities civic duty to not allow the law to be broken again.

    • mickey

      I think AZ did that and that is the reason obama targeted AZ.

  • M. Demetrius

    George Washington’s parents? Were they US citizens?

    • Charlotte

      Both of Washington’s parents were born in Virginia

    • DaveH

      It wouldn’t have mattered, Demetrius, as it what only necessary that the President was a citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution.

      Article II, Section 1 of the Constituion — “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

    • Alex

      It wouldn’t have mattered. There was a contingency in place for the colonists of the Revolution. The constitution requires a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States “at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution.” So it can be a natural born citizen, meaning someone born and bred here by parents born and bred here, or it can be a citizen born elsewhere at the time the constitution was adopted so that the current residents could be elected.

      Let’s just call it “start up” citizenship to get the ball rolling.

      • libertytrain

        Nicely said. I can’t quite understand why this is a difficult thing for folks to grasp.

    • Harry Riley

      Article 2, Section 1 of the US Constitution:

      No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

      If you read above you will see that all that was required at the time of the adoption of the US Constitution was simply being a citizen, as many living were born in England…this was the only exception to the “natural born citzen” clause…

      In this day and age, only a “natural born citizen” may legally become president of the United States. Neither Obama nor Rubio qualify…Obama is a usurper and Rubio won’t be allowed as VP or president.

      • Jibbs

        Jindal doe’s not qualify either. Numbers USA tried saying that he would make a good POTUS, I then wrote and called to tell them he was not eligible, he was then removed from their list.

        I’m sure other people contacted them on this issue, and I was not alone.

  • chucky

    You would think that The discovery of the presidents drunken uncle with a fake social security card(a felony) and fake drivers license(a felony) would maybe raise the question of the Presidents natural born citizen status. But it doesn’t because the media is controlled by the progressives in the Democratic party. I believe that politicians like the President on down need their feet held to the fire up to and including made to step down or under arrest for not upholding the law and the laws of the constitution that they swore under oath to uphold when they took office. This enforcing the laws I agree with or like,but I turn a blind eye to the laws I do not agree with or like has got to stop now. We are letting the president under executive order grant amnesty to illegal aliens(300,000 in the first wave) which is against the rule of law that he swore to uphold. You have senators and congressmen and the justice department not acting on this because of fear of being beaten down by the media name calling. I believe that no matter how you spin it,The law is the law, and Illegal is illegal period.no ifs ands or buts

    • old1

      The cats out of the bag! We now truthfully call progressives by what they truly are, Communists! If it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it’s comrade duck! We’re ducked!

  • Pandora

    I will never believe Obama is a citizen no matter what papers he produces. Why does/did he have CT social security numbers? Who are his old girlfriends? Who were his “chums” growing up? He is not normal – and 2012 can’t come soon enough-before he does any more damage.

  • Dave

    According to the constitution, if either of his parents owed fidelity to another sovereignty, then he is not a “natural born citizen”. How can he uphold the constitution, if he willingly violates the oath of office on a daily basis.

    If a member of the armed forces who is adopted, has to take their birth name upon enlistment, then why doesn’t the Commander in Chief have to do the same.

    • James

      Dave, C’mon, the Constitution says nothing about a would-be president’s parents. You’re adding to the confusion here.

      • old1

        Sure it does! Natural Born = Born of BLOOD & SOIL. Born of BLOOD means both your parents have to be citizens at the time of your birth and that birth has to be on American SOIL!

        • James

          Old1, I’m sorry, but for adding “blood and soil” to the Constitution without an appropriate amendment, you’ll have to turn yourself over to the proper authorities for arrest and prosecution.

      • Jibbs
        • James

          Jibbs, what some people write or say about the constitution doesn’t amend it.

  • Texas Patriot`

    Obama is not my president, I do not believe he is here legally, I am ashamed of my Country for electing a fraud and terrorist like Obama. Rubio can prove he has an american birth Certificate, Obama does not.

    Our Country has an infection and that infection is the Fraud Obama and he company of Criminals he hangs with.

    Eventually Obamas Lies will be found out, when that happens he and his family will suffer Shame for eternity! I cant wait to laugh at you Liberals when that happens!

    • James

      Texas P., If you would like to know how presidents are supposed to be elected, read Article II, Section 1, Clauses 2-4.

    • old1

      Rubio admits he was 4 years old when his parents became American Citizens! Therefore Rubio can never be President or VP, he is not a Natural Born American Citizen! He is a citizen unlike Obama but to be President or VP he would have to have both parents American Citizens at the time of his birth and that birth would have to have been on American soil. See Vattle, Law of Nations, Natural Born.
      McCain, Obama, Jindal, Rubio, all are not Natural Born American Citizens, all can never legally be President nor VP! Facts are facts whether you like them or not.

      • Jibbs

        McCain was born to two naitive born parents on an American Military Base in Panama, he is eligible according to the Constition.
        Please do some research before making a claim.

      • James

        Old1, Anyone born in the United States, and 35 years old, is elligible to be the president. That’s all the Constitution says, and that’s all that it means.

  • Dave

    I doubt very seriously that former crack ho and welfare cheat Maxine Waters is capable of reading, let alone comprehending, what you write.

    • mark

      Don’t talk that way about your mother! Show some respect!

  • Michael J.

    Anyone running for president shall meet the constitutional criteria that the post demands, period.

    I want to know who the candidates really are reguardless of their political persuasion.

    Mr. Ringer, You really should research Mr. Cain a bit further before making decisions.

    RON PAUL 2012

    • DaveH

      I agree. RON PAUL 2012!

    • Lost in Paradise

      Wow!like we need another Jigga BOO for president. They are all losers.

      • Karolyn

        YOU, Lost, are the LOSER!

  • Delores Smith

    ROBERT RINGER,
    No redrafting of the U.S.Constitution as long as Obama is President. He is too eager to do away with the Constitution and would redraft it into oblivion or Sharia law. Many of us are still working on Obama’s birther issue, and the TRUTH will surface soon. When we provide the certificate and other missing data about his life, one of the charges against him with be TREASON.
    Delores Smith
    Delores109@cox.net

    • DaveH

      There are definitely problems with the Constitution as it is written, but I think the American people are a long way from being educated enough in the ways of Freedom to do a proper rewrite.
      But we are making tremendous progress. I suspect, though, that most of the younger people are too busy trying to make a decent living, while carrying the slackers on their backs, to get that necessary education.

    • Lost in Paradise

      At least half or more of the people in government would like to do away with the Constitution. Obama is just one of many asswipes.

    • Randy Huffey

      Go Delores!

      If your work in this area does come up with convincing proof that Obummer is a fraud it will be the best way to get rid of him and his policies, as anything he signed into law (including EO’s) will be voided! He will go on trial and hopefully be hung!

    • mark

      Oh, you are still “working” on this issue. Please, what a joke. Give it up and concentrate on something more important like exposing the fake U.S. moon landing of August 1969 or whether FDR engineered the Pearl Harbor Attack, or maybe even something more important – like living your life!

  • http://libertyalert George

    At this point Obamas place of Birth is no where near as important as making sure he get voted out in the next election

    • Paul Smith

      Obama’s place of birth cannot be determined under this administration. We should ignore it and move to the provable point that his father was not a U.S. citizen as required.

      • mark

        Yeah move on to something. Like how about vacuuming your house? At least that would be something useful.

        • Paul Smith

          Thanks for your insight. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

      • Michael J.

        Paul Smith,
        No amount of proof will dislodge him from his ill-gotten gains.
        Vote for Ron Paul in 2012.

      • James

        Paul S., There is no such requirement, see my above comments.

  • Augustleo

    When Obama was sworn in, he was asked, “Were you known by another name?” He replied, “No.” So what happened to Barry Sotero. Another lie to the American people.

    • mark

      He was never asked that! But Justice Roberts blew the oath. Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and he did not even know the presidential oath! And people worry about the president!

      • Michael J.

        Mark said:
        “And people worry about the President!”

        By the way Mark, will he be campaigning in all 57 states this time around?

        • mark

          Yes, including Vermont where according to Michelle Bachmann the battles of Lexington and Concord were fought. Obama will also go to Waterloo, Iowa, according to Bachmann the proud home of John Wayne….well, actually it was John Wayne Gacy, the infamous serial killer. Oh well….

      • Michael J.

        Mark,
        You’re absolutely right, why should we worry about this guy?
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1OJo7JUTIw

      • Daniel from TN

        Give Roberts a break. It was the first time he had sworn in a president, even if obama was and still is ineligible.

  • John Macedo

    In a message dated 9/5/2011 3:03:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jmacedo writes:
    Obama said the following:

    Yes, he told us in advance what he planned to
    do. Few were listening.

    The following is a narrative taken from a 2008
    Sunday morning televised “Meet The Press’.

    From Sunday’s 07 Sept. 2008 11:48:04 EST,

    Televised “Meet the Press” THE THEN Senator
    Obama was asked about his stance on the American
    Flag.

    General Bill Ginn’ USAF (ret.) asked Obama to explain
    WHY he doesn’t follow protocol when the National
    Anthem is played.

    The General stated to Obama that according to
    the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171…

    During rendition of the national anthem, when the flag
    is displayed, all present (except those in
    uniform) are expected to stand at attention
    facing the flag with the right hand over the
    heart. Or, at the very least, “Stand and Face
    It”.

    NOW GET THIS !!

    ‘Senator’ Obama replied:

    “As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be
    perceived as taking sides”. “There are a lot of
    people in the world to whom the
    American flag is a symbol of oppression..”
    “The anthem itself conveys a
    war-like message. You know, the bombs
    bursting in air and all that sort of
    thing.”

    (ARE YOU READY FOR THIS???)

    Obama continued: “The National Anthem should be
    ‘swapped’ for something less parochial and less
    bellicose. I like the song ‘I’d Like To Teach
    the World To Sing’. If that were our
    anthem, then, I might salute it.

    In my opinion, we should consider reinventing
    our National Anthem as well
    as ‘redesign’ our Flag to better offer our
    enemies hope and love. It’s my intention,
    if elected, to disarm America to the
    level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren.
    If we, as a Nation of waring people, conduct ourselves
    like the nations of Islam, where peace prevails
    - – - perhaps a state or period of mutual accord
    could exist between our governments….”

    When I become President, I will seek a pact of
    agreement to end hostilities between those who
    have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a
    freedom from disquieting oppressive
    thoughts. We as a Nation, have
    placed upon the nations of Islam, an unfair
    injustice which is WHY my wife
    disrespects the Flag and she and I have
    attended several flag burning ceremonies in the
    past”.

    “Of course now, I have found myself about to become the
    President of the United States and I have put my hatred
    aside. I willuse my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation, andoffer the people a new path..My wife and I look
    forward to becoming our Country’s First black
    Family. Indeed, CHANGE is about to
    overwhelm the United States of America ”

    WHAAAAAAAT, the Hell is that???

    Yes, you read it right.
    I, for one, am speechless!!!

    Dale Lindsborg , Washington Post

    EVERYONE

    IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NEEDS
    TO READ THIS, KEEP IT GOING !

    ! SAVE AMERICA BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE !!

    • Jibbs

      You need to view the episode you speak of, if needed watch it two three times.

      • Michael J.

        Jibbs,
        Please provide the source you spoke of, Thanks.

  • old1

    Our founding fathers had just fought and won a bloody war against England. They certainly did not want a British usurper becoming their Commander in Chief and destroying their New America for within. Thus they added the Natural Born American requirement to A2.,S1.,p5. They knew well it’s definition because they all studied Vattel’s Law of Nations as most international lawyers of the time were prone to do, these were not farm-boys. They were Lawyers trained in British Law.
    Now fast forward 230 or so years and who got elected in November of 2008? A Kenyan Brit that was born a British Subject under the British Nationality act of 1948. Daddy was a Kenyan Brit so Daddy’s son was born a Kenyan Brit. Clear as day, no Hawaii paper needed! No since A2.,S1.,p5. has never been changed nor amended since the founders put it there. How can any logical person question the fact that Barack Hussein Obama Jr. is ineligible to hold the office of POTUS? There is absolutely no question he was born a Kenyan Brit, & there is no question as to why the founding fathers added the Natural Born American requirement. They added it to keep a British usurper from ever becoming our Commander in Chief! How did We The People ever allow this to take place? The bigger question, what are we going to do now?

    • mark

      You’re not going to do anything. Because Obama is the president and you are just an old crank! That is how it is today and has been since Jan. 20th, 2009 and will be until at least Jan. 20, 2013 and perhaps until Jan. 20th 2017. Because Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961 which was then and is today, a U.S. state. And his mother was a U.S. citizen. Deal with it. Or don’t. It doesn’t matter either way. Your opinion on this matter has no consequence. Obama is in the White House. And you are who you are. Nothing is going to change this until January 20, 2013 and maybe not even then.

    • Daniel from TN

      What you say is true. Individual states should declare obama ineligible and refuse to place his name on the ballot.

  • Faye

    You are wrong about his birth certificate it was not a certified for him but a person that is deceased. It was altered to reveal partially that he was born in Hawaii but he was born in Kenya and there a birth certificate reveals his birth…Obama is not a citizen and why did he go to college here on our tax dollar revealing him to not be a citizen of the USA. Why did he obtain a Conn Social Security well now these questions can be answered by the judge he made sure got placed in Washington DC yes the one that tampered with obamacare and has been advising along with Soro. They are all crooks and need to be tried for fraud and Obama should be also tried for treason along with Reid and Pelosi…This was all done by fraud documents also refusing to follow the constitution and doing changes withour congress. I want them all tried NOW>>>

    • mark

      Never gonna happen. Dream on. Enjoy your life in the alternative universe. Everyone else is in the real one.

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      Faye,

      Give it a rest,You nuts keep on pushing that silly bogus theory.It is time to move on.

      • Daniel from TN

        Actually it’s not bogus but I agree we need to move on. Congress has shown it will not address the issue. Only the individual states can address the issue now by refusing to allow obama’s name on ballots within each state.

  • Harry Riley

    May I suggest you take a look at http://thepatriotsnews.com/PresidentialQualifications.htm for a fair, informed discussion of presidential requirements…..

    • Paul Smith

      JB and I have exchanged a number of emails. He stresses the “condition of the father” while I argue Vattel’s first point, that ‘natural born’ is a person born on the soil of citizen parents – three specific conditions. JB can be persuasive but I believe that Vattel’s summation in the first sentence is his operative definition and all else in that paragraph is just supportive. When you read Paul Hollrath’s excellent analysis, he shows how Vattel’s definition is supported by original intent, an area not covered in JB’s analysis.

      • Daniel from TN

        Though not incorporated in written law, the Vattel Doctrine has been upheld by the Supreme Court in several cases.

  • Paul Smith

    I am a conservative and for three years I have been doing everything in my power to get Obama removed from office and fitted for a prison jump suit for life – treason. I will not be a hypocrite by closing my eyes to Rubio’s ineligibility. There is no question in this. Both Congress* and the SCOTUS** have defined ‘natural born’ as a person born of parent citizenS. That said, Rubio can help us. . .

    Marco Rubio’s parents were NOT U.S. citizens therefore he is NOT eligible to be POTUS or VEEP. If he is a true patriot and supporter of the Constitution, he will immediately call a press conference and announce that he is not a ‘natural born citizen’ because his parents were not U.S. citizens and that he cannot accept any invitation to join a presidential ticket. For more eligibility info, see: http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/06/24/minor-v-happersett-is-binding-precedent-as-to-the-constitutional-definition-of-a-natural-born-citizen/

    Help me make that happen. Go to http://rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/contact Tell Rubio that you expect him to do the right thing so that we can both fix the constitutional crisis we currently face and forever prevent another from occurring. This problem should have been resolved following Chester A. Arthur’s administration when it was discovered that his father was not a U.S. citizen when Chester was born – but it wasn’t. Let’s finally put this question to rest.

    If Rubio will stand tall and make that announcement, it would immediately shine a spotlight on Barry’s Ineligibility and force the SCOTUS/Congress to act. Help me make that happen! It will only take a couple minutes – please do it now!

    *As expressed by Senator Obama himself during the McCain eligibility debate.
    **Minor v. Happersett

  • Lyn

    The Constitution is a God given, Holy Spirit inspired document to protect our country as a free nation. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe it is the longest standing Constitution of any nation in history. Violating our Constituional decrees is a VERY big deal and as evidenced by the current situation, dragging our nation down a very slippery slope! Although I REALLY like Rubio and would vote for him otherwise, he does not meet the Constitutional standard. I vote the Bible and the Constitution.

    • DaveH

      The Constitution as a written document may be long-standing, but the various Leaders of our country have been breaking its intent since the first President took office. And the President Lincoln totally trampled it.
      As voters, we have a very difficult task ahead if we want to get our Governments back in line with the concepts of Freedom.
      There is only one Political party currently that is up to that task:
      http://libertarianparty.org/platform

      • mark

        And it never has a chance of winning the Presidency. No wonder you are so frustrated.

        • DaveH

          It’s odd that the Liberal Mark tries so hard to discourage people from voting Libertarian, yet our party would allow most of the freedoms that Liberals have historically railed against. We would allow people to ruin their lives with drugs. We would allow people to ruin their lives with gambling, prostitution, excessive partying, and a minimum of work effort. We would stop the futile attempts to build empires and mold the rest of the world in our image militarily.
          So what is left that Mark could be afraid of? Oh yeah, we wouldn’t allow people to ride on the shoulders of others after they stupidly ruined their own lives. And we wouldn’t allow Government to continue raping the American economy with Unconstitutional agencies and Crony Capitalism.

    • James

      Lyn, There is no constitutional standard that would-be presidents must measure up to. The Constitution created the federal government, and delegated certain powerss to it, then the Bill of Rights was added to prevent it from legislating over Rights.
      The idea that whatever is ‘good’ is also constitutional is a bad habit we have fallen into.

  • bob wire

    “Look, I’m neither a Birther nor a believer, but I am a skeptic whenever I smell smoke — and smoke is something that perpetually comes out of Obama’s mouth. Based on his track record of telling the biggest whoppers imaginable with a completely straight face, why should I believe anything he says?”

    No, you are selling “print” for a paycheck and most of the points that you attempt to raise especially timing and what “people have seen” is unworthy comment.

    Try trotting a new trick pony and maybe a scantly clad pretty girl with sequins and rhinestones before us.

    I smell smoke too! I think that your pants is on fire.

    People can’t be responsible for being born or to what family they are born into as you attempt to apply guilt and dishonesty.

    If you are not a birther Ringer, you are feeding them for some purpose, my guess is, the real issues of the day are too complex to address and you are under pressure as it’s feeding time at the zoo.

    • Paul Smith

      You provide ZERO information that would help people understand the issue. You do nothing but name call. Thanks for nothing.

      • bob wire

        You are welcome, ~ but “no names” did I call. You made that up on your own.

        So it appears a “little information” could go a long way with you as you seem willing to make things up.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Jeannie

      I suppose the alledged whoppers are similar to the one the Republicans tell everyday. For instance running on the pretense of job creation, which they have not created any. You have people like Mitch McConnell saying his mission is to make President Obama a one term president. You would think his mission would be getting people back to work. Republicans and their leadership are what has brought this country to the brink of disaster. I hope Americans aren’t dumb enough to hand it back to them again. If they do we are all doomed.

      • Karolyn

        Yeah, and what’s up with all the Republicans campaigning on how bad Obama is but not saying anything about what they would do to change our current situation?

        • Paul Smith

          They are all complicit, all guilty, Karolyn. To say anything now would be to admit that they failed to say anything in the first place. The lot of them are dirty and they’re all running scared.

  • Mirage

    Okay, the “peanut gallery” here wants to read about conspiracy, I’ve got one for us:
    HOW DO WE KNOW THIS SITE IS NOT BACKED BY PEOPLE LIKE THE KOCH BROTHERS? YOU KNOW, THE WEALTHY ELITE WHO LIKE THE STATUS QUO … THE PEOPLE WHO DON’T WANT CHANGE … PUPPET MASTERS WHO USE SUBTERFUGE TO KEEP THE LITTLE PEOPLE BUSY WITH MISPLACED HATE, SO THAT THEY DON’T SEE THE REAL PICTURE?
    WHAT PROOF IS THERE THAT THESE ARTCLES ARE NOT BACKED BY BIG MONEY INTERESTS?
    THAT IS CORRECT, THERE IS NO PROOF … IT COMES DOWN TO FAITH.
    NOW, INSTEAD OF DWELLING ON ISSUES OF POLITICAL FAITH THAT OFFER NO CONCRETE PROOF FOR OUR “FEELINGS” … FEELINGS THAT ONLY DIVIDE US- THE AMERICAN PEOPLE … WHY NOT ASK THE REAL QUESTIONS?

    LIKE:

    WHY IS IT, THAT REGARDLESS OF WHO THE RULING POLITICAL PARTY IN WASHINGTON D.C. HAPPENS TO BE (OVER THE LAST 30+ YEARS), THE GAP BETWEEN THE MIDDLE CLASS, AND THE TOP 5%-WEALTHY ELITE, HAS CONTINUED TO GROW, UNINTERUPTED?
    COULD IT BE, WASHINGTON IS SO BROKEN, THAT NO MATTER WHO BECOMES OUR NEXT PRESIDENT, NOTHING SUBSTANATIVE WILL CHANGE?
    COULD IT BE, THAT IF THE UNLIKELY WERE TO HAPPEN, AND RON PAUL (just another wealthy guy) WERE TO BECOME OUR NEXT PRESIDENT, THAT NOTHING WILL CHANGE, AND THE GAP BETWEEN MIDDLE AMERICA, AND THE WEALTHLY ELITE, WILL CONTINUE TO GROW?
    COULD IT BE, THAT STILL, NOT ANOTHER SINGLE WHITE COLLAR CRIMINAL ON WALL STREET, WILL GO TO JAIL?
    REAL CHANGE WILL ONLY COME THROUGH DEMONSTRATIONS, AND PERHAPS, RIOTS.
    ONLY WHEN THE PEOPLE IN POWER GROW FEARFUL OF LOOSING THEIR POWER, WILL LIFE, PERHAPS, GET BETTER FOR MIDDLE AMERICA.
    THOSE ARE THE REAL QUESTIONS, NOT WETHER OBAMA WAS BORN HERE OR NOT (99.999% HE WAS). WHERE WAS THE ANGER WHEN BUSH WAS PRESIDENT?
    RANT FOR THE DAY.

    • Paul Smith

      Unread. Quit screaming.

    • DaveH

      How do you know what we thought about Bush?
      Our country has been going down the tubes for a long time, both under the Democrats and under the Republicans. But two wrongs still don’t make a right.
      Obama has done this country a great service. He has awakened the citizens with his inept impetuous behavior to a reality that they have ignored for many, many decades. Big Government supports Big Government and their politically connected Crony Capitalists. They only throw the citizens enough crumbs to buy their votes.
      Now I sit back and hope that the awakening continues and the citizens learn increasingly about the dangers of Big Government, and the joys and prosperity of Real Freedom, not the Faux-Freedom that we have all been propagandized to believe in.

    • Don

      Bush was legal , idiot !!

    • Michael J.

      Mirage said:

      “WHAT PROOF IS THERE THAT THESE ARTCLES ARE NOT BACKED BY BIG MONEY INTERESTS?”

      Well Mr. Mirage, what proof is there that the sky is blue? That’s right, we can see it. Just like we see what is happening in this administration. Also we see the parrellels between what is forming in front of our eyes and what has happenned in The Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Venezuela etc. etc.

      “WHY IS IT, THAT REGARDLESS OF WHO THE RULING POLITICAL PARTY IN WASHINGTON D.C. HAPPENS TO BE (OVER THE LAST 30+ YEARS), THE GAP BETWEEN THE MIDDLE CLASS, AND THE TOP 5%-WEALTHY ELITE, HAS CONTINUED TO GROW, UNINTERUPTED?
      COULD IT BE, WASHINGTON IS SO BROKEN, THAT NO MATTER WHO BECOMES OUR NEXT PRESIDENT, NOTHING SUBSTANATIVE WILL CHANGE?
      COULD IT BE, THAT IF THE UNLIKELY WERE TO HAPPEN, AND RON PAUL (just another wealthy guy) WERE TO BECOME OUR NEXT PRESIDENT, THAT NOTHING WILL CHANGE, AND THE GAP BETWEEN MIDDLE AMERICA, AND THE WEALTHLY ELITE, WILL CONTINUE TO GROW?
      COULD IT BE, THAT STILL, NOT ANOTHER SINGLE WHITE COLLAR CRIMINAL ON WALL STREET, WILL GO TO JAIL?
      REAL CHANGE WILL ONLY COME THROUGH DEMONSTRATIONS, AND PERHAPS, RIOTS.
      ONLY WHEN THE PEOPLE IN POWER GROW FEARFUL OF LOOSING THEIR POWER, WILL LIFE, PERHAPS, GET BETTER FOR MIDDLE AMERICA.”

      I agree with most of what you posted here except the part about Ron Paul. If he were elected he would stem the tide of goliath government or be assasinated. Probably the latter.

      “THOSE ARE THE REAL QUESTIONS, NOT WETHER OBAMA WAS BORN HERE OR NOT (99.999% HE WAS). WHERE WAS THE ANGER WHEN BUSH WAS PRESIDENT?”

      Now you lost me again.

      The point here is that we do share some common ground, and is why I chose to reply at all. We should work together towards rebirthing our Republic in a manner beneficial to all of us. Instead of fulfilling the wishes of the shadowy elites by bickering amonsgt ourselves while they continue working behind the scenes unopposed, unblemished.
      So if the agreeable parts of your post are sincere and not just a mirage, then help build a constructive dialogue.

      Consider this an olive branch. Take it, or burn it, as you wish…

  • jacksonr

    what does it matter where this man was born now? He is destroying our country.This man must be voted out of office in Nov. His politics are the real problem not where he was born..

    • Paul Smith

      It matters because Barry, along with all of the people in the Judicial and Legislative branches, with every States’ Attorneys General and with the complicit approval of the media have intentionally and with malice aforethought, violated their oaths of office to protect the Constitution. It is beyond all comprehension how this has happened yet there are still people who don’t seem to care. The apathy is just disgusting.

  • M.D.

    oh BROTHER.
    Get a LIFE.
    I’M pretty sure if if there was video footage and 20 people witnessed it you’d still say it was doctored…

    • OldNYFirefighter

      Ok, let the SCOTUS call their own Experts of Choice & determine its credibility, or are you afraid of that? That would end it as far as the BC is concerned. It would not end it due to the Dual Citizenship issue.
      That one is crystal clear – Dual Citizenship – ineligible for Office of POTUS or VP. He can be a Senator, House Rep or Judge.

  • Christine

    Although I like most of what I hear from and about Marco Rubio. (I don’t feel like I know enough to endorse him) I think it would be wonderful if he would step forward and say he won’t run for office because his parents were not US citizens when he was born and he doesn’t believe the founders would have considered him eligible. This would make Obama (who’s father is not American) look bad and might make some voters think twice about voting for someone who’s father isn’t American. Our founders put the requirement for “Natural born” to prevent a president who was foreign influenced/controlled. If you look at Obama, you can see why this was considered dangerous.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      If you are saying that Rubio can do anything he wants politically but should he do the things, I agree with your premise.

  • Buddy

    Ask why there is a “Born in the US” qualification in the constitution.

    Is it because that the framers of the constitution thought that someone who would be president should be brought up in the culture of the U.S.? Or did they just think that the birth location was the important qualification and being brought up in a muslim school was immaterial??

  • John H.

    This whole birth thing is a important because it is a fundamental Constitutional issue. The Constitution clearly states the president must be a natural born U.S. citizen. They didn’t spell out what natural born was because everybody knew what it meant at the time the Constitution was written. Almost every reference you find, regardless of its origin, says that natural born means your parents are citizens of the country at the time of your birth.

    It is clear as crystal that Obama is not a natural born citizen because his father was a British subject born in Kenya. He was never a U.S. citizen, therefore Obama’s status cannot be that of a natural born citizen. That is simply a fact, and is not open to interpretation regardless of whether you favor Obama or not.

    By the same token, Marco Rubio is not and never can be a natural born citizen because both his parents were born in Cuba, and weren’t naturalized U.S. citizens until AFTER he was born. I like Marco Rubio a lot. I would really like to see him make a run for president, but he can’t. And I can’t turn a blind eye to what the Constitution says, and neither should any other right thinking person.

    Barack Obama is a perfect example of why the Founders included the requirement of being natural born to be president. It is obvious from his policies and his actions that he cares little for America.

  • LuluBelle

    The author illustrates why it is a bad idea to re-write the Constitution when he asserts that the word “and” needs to be inserted in the 2nd Amendment before “the right of the people…” The first part of that sentence is a phrase explaining why “the right of the people” shall not be infringed. No “and” is needed and it would be incorrect to insert one. Better to bring people’s education and reading skills up to a higher level so they are able to read and correctly interpret complicated sentence structures, than to “dumb down” our founding documents.

  • JEANNIEMAC

    Donald Trump declared his candidacy for the presidency, and demanded to see Obama’s birth certificate. Lo and behold, Obama produced a birth certificate just before the publication of Corsi’s book, “Where’s the Birth Certificate?”. It was a setup, and now we know Donald Trump is one of those who is in on the plan to have Obama stay in office.

  • George Tolhurst

    As I spend and hour or so reading these commentaries I realize how brainwashed this country is. Sad part is most people don’t know it or refuse to believe it.
    Wake Up America—Learn to read between the lines.

    Ron Paul is lthe only healthy-honerable-honest-intelligent-with a proven record canidate that can save this country.

  • James Corbin

    Speaking about Muslim’s——Where did Obama get his name????????

    • Michael J.

      james Corbin,
      Which one? Soetoro or Obama?
      Soetoro is from his Philippino Muslim extremist step father.
      And Obama is from his Kenyan Muslim extremist birth father.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon

    First, and as I have said many times, people must not confuse their opinion about what the phrase “natural born citizen” means with what SCOTUS will (or would) interpret it to mean. And in that vein, let us not forget that Andrew Jackson’s parents were both Scotch/Irish and had only moved here two years before he was born. The Constitutional challenge is a non-starter.

    The bigger and, I think, more pertinent issue is Obama’s refusal to make his records public. The media are ready to scrutinize Perry’s transcripts, the nationality of Rubio’s birth parents, etc., yet refuse to subject Obama to even the most superficial vetting. It’s a simple issue: since Obama has two actual certified copies of his birth certificate, why not release them? Either he thinks he is above questioning, or he has something to hide. That is the real issue at this point.

  • JLW

    TO; Robert Ringer
    The Constitution is not a dictionary. Most words and phrases included in the document are not defined or explained therein.
    However, source documents are available and I believe a careful reading by a reasonable person will reveal the exact meaning and intent of both Amendment 2 and Amendment 14.
    Therefore, as much as I would like to see Marco Rubio as vice-president, if his parents were not American citizens at the time of his birth, he is not eligible, just as Obama is not eligible for the office he holds.

  • AL

    I believe that obama is a “COPE” baby. I was a member of the SEIU and every year around Thanksgiving the union would collect $5.00 from it’s members that was to be put into a fund to help families of disabled workers(so they said). While in Russia in 1977 my uncle(who lived there)told me that the U.S.A. would send millions of dollars to Russia and that money was used to educate some select people from Africa in Marxism. Then they were sent back to help spread communism. That program was called COPE.

    • Kate8

      AL – Aha! Thank you! At last, a smoking gun!

      This explains why investigators turned up that Obama had received funding and education from the Soviets!

      And why, before anyone had ever heard of BHO, Russians had declared that he would be the American president!

      Good work, AL.

  • BigIron

    What’s with this #%@ guy? He actually WANTS Herman “Federal Reserve” Cain to be the “conservative” presidential nominee? Well, I certainly won’t trust anything he says ever again!
    The Federal Reserve is “evil incarnate”; it has been used to suck-out the wealth of the people of United States until we are dry!
    ‘Herman Cain WAS a Chairman of and Board-of-Directors member of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City until HE resigned to enter national politics’ (Wikipedia). He doesn’t believe that the Fed needs a “thorough” audit??? … Why do we hear about “Godfather’s Pizza” and NOT the Fed???
    Herman Cain IS, cannot be anything other than, a “minion” of the “power elite” as are so many who profess to be on the side “of the people”. Rick “Bilderberger” Perry is another who was “tapped” by the “power elite” when he was invited to and attended a Bildeberger meeting.
    Ron Paul IS the only one I trust with the future of my Country. Only Ron Paul HAS a 30 year track record of “telling it like it is” even when we don’t want to hear the truth.
    Don’t listen to the “talking heads” like Rush and Hannity who have been bought and paid for by the “power elite” to sway the people to vote for THEIR “deep plant” candidates. Both political parties are controlled at the upper level by the “power elite”! That’s why there is no REAL change no matter which party is in charge; they are both being directed to lead the country in the SAME direction but to only “appear” as though their are differences.
    The “tea party” has thrown a “monkey wrench into the works” as they have not yet been bought and paid for like the Reps and Dems. The fact that there is NO ONE tea party” makes that movement hard to “co-opt”. … How do you attack an organization that has no central body? The “power elite” are trying. They are trying to brand the “tea party” members as “racists”, anti-gay, anti-women, haters, etc. Just pick a word with a nasty cannotation and if it has not already been used to describe the members of the “tea party”; those words will likely soon be used to do so.
    The “power elite” ARE becoming “scared” of losing control at this point so be very aware that they may be preparing “false flag” attacks to insure their continued control of the people and our government.
    If one looks at who is trying to ignore, marginalize, and discredit Ron Paul you will see that for the most part it’s BOTH the “liberal” AND “conservative” bobble-heads. Ron Paul has been a man of and for the people for ALL of his life. He HAS a birth certificate.
    For a source of information look to Alex Jones. Much of what he says may be scary but he says what needs to be said and his agenda appears to be for the people and NOT the “power elite”.

  • Kimberly Boldt

    The problem is “natural born citizen” WAS UNDERSTOOD, AND defined in the writings of the Founding Fathers and the books and documents they read and were familiar with. Therefore, there was no need to define natural born citizen in the Constitution. For example:

    The term “natural born citizen” appears in the “Law of Nations” (which is mentioned in Article 1, Sec. 8 of the U.S. Constitution), a treaty between nations which established certain universal standards, one of which being the term “natural born citizen.”

    The related passage from Vattel’s book on the Law of Nations reads as follows;

    “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

    NOTE the following text—“As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.”

    Further clarification—“The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children;”

    And the final blow to Barack Hussein Obama—“I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

    The subject of “natural law” found in the Law of Nations is entirely consistent with the Royal British purpose of the term “natural born citizen.” It keeps the family bloodline intact on the basis of the father’s blood, aka “natural law.” It is the source from which our nation’s Founding Fathers entered those words into the US Constitution, under Article II—Section I—Clause V;

    “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;”

    Not “native” or “naturalized” or “citizen,” but only “natural born” citizens can hold the office of president.

    A Hawaiian birth certificate for Barack Hussein Obama solves nothing, other than curiosity (but we now know that the one Obama produced is fraudulent). A “certification of live birth” means even less, as it only confirms that a child was indeed “born live”—with no reference as to where that birth took place, or who attended or witnessed that birth.

    Some argue that the XIV Amendment altered the meaning of the term “natural born citizen.”

    “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States;” However, the XIV Amendment makes no mention of “natural born citizen” as it was written to address issues of “immigration” and “naturalization,”—which excludes any redress regarding “native” or “natural born” citizens of the Unites States. In short, “natural born” is the exact opposite of “naturalized.” They are two completely different subjects and as we know, “naturalized citizens” cannot hold the office of President, though they are indeed “citizens” with otherwise equal rights. As Barack Hussein Obama’s stated birth father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was at no time in his life a citizen of the United States, but rather a British subject and native citizen of Kenya, it is not possible for Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. to be a “natural born citizen” of the United States. It is therefore not possible for Barack Hussein Obama Jr. to be a constitutionally qualified resident of the people’s White House. Does it matter? Does the “will of the people” trump the US Constitution via the outcome of an election which happened as a result of fraud, in which the candidate concealed the fact that he is not a “natural born citizen?”

    Why is it then important that we keep the Constitution as it is in this context? Because it’s a question of loyalty to the sovereignty of one’s nation and people. John Jay wrote specifically on the dangers of foreign force and influence in The Federalist, Nos. 2-5. It was of the utmost importance that there be NO foreign influence in the federal government, while executing it’s powers specifically stated or listed in the Constitution.

  • Old Henry

    Mr. Ringer:

    The term Natural Born Citizen is defined in “The Law of Nations”, which was used / widely studied by our Founders, as being a child born to parents (plural)who are citizens of that country.

    Soetoro’s / Obama’s / Bouner’s(sp?) father was a British subject. That alone makes him ineligible. Also, it has been questioned whether his mother was legally able to confer citizenship on her son.

    This also exempts the two Repubs you mentioned from being able to be on the ticket.

  • Bj

    If it came down to voting between Marko Rubio and our fearless leader believe you me I’d vote for Marko Rubio in a heartbeat. He makes Alfred E. Newman’s counterpart (our fearless leader) look like the bumb that he is, i.e. uneducated, out of touch with the American People, and incapable of leading this Country. I can only pray that when the time’s right we’re graced with the likes of a Marko Rubio in the WH. When we are I’ll rest easy knowing that finally somebody gives a damn.

    • Paul Smith

      If I have anything to do with it, you will NOT get that opportunity as neither name will appear on the ballots.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Jeannie

    The President proved absolutely nothing by publicly showing the long version of his birth certificate. The non-believers are still the non-believers, who will say anything to justify the unbelief. Why waste time with them. Jobs and the enconomy are the real issues.

    • Paul Smith

      Opinion noted, Jeannie. Sorry you’re so un-American as to not care about our Constitution.

  • TN man59

    We all need to re-read the Constitution.

    Vattel IS mentioned in the Constitution Under Article 1 section 8 Congress shall have the Power To;
    Pgh 10 “To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations.”
    It is capitalized and therefore a particular Law of Nations. Thus another proof the Founding Fathers used and included the Law of Nations in the Constitution!

    If citizen is all that is required to run for President, why is Natural Born used here and nowhere else in the Constitution, unless Natural born has a seperate meaning that citizen.
    There are dozens of references stating the Founders used Vattel as a Guide to write the constitution and would have used meaning of words and phrases from Vattel.

    To rewrite the Constitution would be a dangerous thing. Seems we just need an Amendment to clarify and re-inforce the original meanings.

    Suntein (?) ( Regulatory czar) has already written a book calling for a new bill of rights defining it toward Communism with animal rights over human rights, and worker rights….social justice over freedom…

    To say Obama is for the Constitution when he blasted the 5 judges who upheld the 2nd Amendment, while in the Previuos breath is trying to say he supports it. Then stating he would not have appointed any of them to the court, says it all.
    He has also made the statement that “The Constitution is a Flawed document”.
    Welfare over capitalism.

    Wake up folks, this is not about born here or there. It is National Security. The President needs to be raised loving American, with American values and loyalty, which you would only get from American ParentS, not America hating from foreign parent or parents.
    Lets not be politically correct here, and state Vattel as it is written, it is about the Fathers nationality as # one issue, as you would have been taught loyalty to your country, primarily from your father. It uses parents as plural, but never mentions the mother, it only keeps repeting ” born in the counrty of your father”. This means, no matter where you stand today, unless you have moved, your fathers citizenship follows you until your father renounces his citizenship and takes perminate residence elsewhere.
    The President must be loyal to America and America only, if this Nation is to survive! America stands for freedonm and capitalism. Obama has been taught to hate America and capitalism his whole life! I don’t believe a damn thing he says unless he is showing his true colors critizing America and capitalism, which he does in most everything he says!
    Watch what he says, what he does, and the result of what he does, open your eyes and you will see the difference.
    Vattel doesn’t care where you are born, it is who you are born to, we don’t need another America hater in the White House!

  • mrcave

    H.R. 140, Birthright Citizenship Act of 2011, introduced by Congressman Steve King, R, Iowa:

    Birthright Citizenship Act of 2011 – Amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to consider a person born in the United States “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States for citizenship at birth purposes if the person is born in the United States of parents, one of whom is: (1) a U.S. citizen or national, (2) a lawful permanent resident alien whose residence is in the United States, or (3) an alien performing active service in the U.S. Armed Forces.

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d112:14:./temp/~bdUNdr::

    If passed, would clear the way for Rubio.

    • Paul Smith

      “H.R. 140, Birthright Citizenship Act of 2011, introduced by Congressman Steve King, R, Iowa:

      Birthright Citizenship Act of 2011 – Amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to consider a person born in the United States. . .If passed, would clear the way for Rubio.”
      —————–

      No, it would not and I pray to God that it never passes unless “subject to the jurisdiction of” is locked down by a requirement that parents are either legal residents or citizens. Even if that passes, however, it does NOT change the definition of ‘natural born’.

  • Jim

    From the article: The problem is that the Constitution does not define the term “natural-born citizen.”

    Much of the terminology & definitions in the Constitution were derived from de Vattel’s “Law of Nations.” The Founding Fathers were highly-educated, well-read men & knew what was most important for the Constitution. In the Law of Nations, de Vattel expounded upon concepts of “nation” & wrote that no nation could perpetuate without the loyalty & patriotism of its “natives.” He defined that what makes a “native” is that a child is born on the nation’s soil (as citizen) from parents that are already citizens. The Founding Fathers took this for the term “natural born citizen,” in that it equates de Vattel’s use of “native citizen” with the Constitution’s “natural born citizen.”

    This is not the only term from Law of Nations: Quite a few Constitutional terms were derived from there, such as “Commander in Chief.” From the Law of Nations, it simply represents the commander of all standing military…But the Constitution places this title UNDER the authority of Congress! The President can only exercise the duties of CiC “when called into the actual service” by Congress! All authority of the military itself is the responsibility of Congress; the housing, supply lines, payment of troops, equipping, disciplining, etc all under the authority of Congress. This includes the “3 C’s of War” (Commence war, Continue war, Conclude war). Note that the Constitution specifies that the President has no power of command over the military until “called into the actual service” by Congress…Which means that until Congress officially DECLARES a war, the President cannot issue lawful orders to initiate any kind of action, except within the limited parameters of the War Powers Act that specify a purely DEFENSIVE action under limited time until Congress can make a decision.

    So, yes. It was illegal for Obama to engage in hostilities in Libya…A direct violation of the Cosntitution AND the War Powers Act. His “authority” to commence hostilities is NOT valid under the United Nations. Obama’s ONLY lawful authority derives from the Constitution…In this particular case, Obama has NO LAWFUL AUTHORITY concerning Libya!

  • Claire

    Some one showed hundreds of bith certicates from Hawii and all of them showed the hawii State Seal on them Except oboams…..You can get a pass prot drivers licences and any othe document made up for a price and i believe tha obama is not a citizen and for sure he is a rotten president….

  • Christopher L Clark

    This is specifically for Robert Ringer

    Any others that choose to comment can. Robert you are an IDIOT. The Constitution DOES state EXACTLY what a natural born citizen is and I CAN PROVE IT. Pay attention, I will try not to confuse you.

    Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as president of the United States:

    “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

    It is IMMEDIATLY noticable that the framers distinguished between a “citizen” and a “natural born citizen”.

    John Bingham stated in the House of Representatives in 1862:

    Who are natural-born citizens but those born in the Republic? […] [P]ersons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.[10]

    He reiterated his statement in 1866:

    Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural-born citizen.

    ANY PERSON BORN IN A COUNTRY AND NOT OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ANY FOREIGN COUNTRY. This is the accepted definition of what the Constitution states.

    Furthermore;
    All Constitutional scholars agree that the framers of the Constitution relied heavily on a book called “The Laws of Nations” when they were writing the Constitution. That book states….

    An English-language translation of Emerich de Vattel’s 1758 treatise The Law of Nations (original French title: Le Droit du gens), stating that “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country of parents who are citizens,”

    For ANYONE to believe that it serves our country justly to have a person, man or woman, in the highest office in the land, be the subject of TWO COUNTIRES, is an IDIOT. No person would then be able to know for sure exactly where the Presidents alliegance would lie. As in the Case with Barack Obama, when born he was a British subject because at the time of his birth Obamas father was a citizen of Kenya which was under British rule. However he was also a United States Citizen. Just as George Washington himself was born in England and was a British citizen he was also an American citizen. He was a “citizen”. Hence we go back to the statement that “NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, OR A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES, AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF THIS Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President. You see there were very few men that were natural born citizens in the United States AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF THE CONSTITUTION, so they had no choice but to make the distinction. The only people that believe different than this are complete idiots!

    In completion you go ahead and elect your half Iranian half US citizen, or your half Chinese and half US citizen. Those of you that stand for such things are not thinking about where that Presidents alegiance lies. Many terrorist have become US citizens, swore their alegiance to the Constitution and then after blowing something up, or threatening to, when they were in court they were asked, “You swore alegiance to our country, how could you do this?” Their answer? ” I AM YOUR ENEMY, I LIED”. You go ahead and vote in whoever you want. If you support ANYONE other than is explained here in my writings, anyone that is subject too 2 countries at birth, THEN YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO THE CONSTITUTION AND YOU ARE NOT WORTH THE SWEAT OFF OF MY A$$!!!!!!!!!

    • Christopher L Clark

      As a result of what I stated above, Rubio is NOT eligible. Hes a good talker. I could be wrong but I think thats all he is. Just like Obama. A non eligable talker.

      • Christopher L Clark

        In an effort to make this even more understandable for everyone let me ask a question base upon a made up story.

        My family and I are being physically threatened with death by an enemy of mine. I have two brothers who are willing to help protect me. One is my full blood brother, his mother and father are my mother and father. The other is my half brother. His mother in my mother but his father is my enemies father.

        Which brother should I trust?

        This is a very simple explanation of dual allegiance. You of course only TOTALLY trust your full blood brother.

        • http://poiticallyunclassifiable.com Justina

          nonsense. blood means nothing only the mentality and agendas
          of the person. often there is enough brainwashing about blood
          you can exploit to get this help, but it is not automatic.
          my blood mother nearly destroyed me. I disown her.
          And what did you do to make this enemy? maybe he has a legitimate
          beef? Maybe you should try to negotiate? Be a Christian.

          as for your full blood brother, if you are the eldest, and your
          father’s will gives half to the eldest, and everyone else divvies up
          equally, ever cross your mind that your full blood brother has
          a real good motive to let you die, leaving him the oldest?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Sometimes you don’t have to do anything more than exist to have an enemy.
            What do you mean, “be a Christian”? Any one can say that but what exactly is meant by that.

          • 45caliber

            Justina:

            Blood indeed means less than the intellect of the person. But loyalty to a country is inset by being raised in the country, particularly in the early formative years. Oblama was NOT here in those years. That was why the Founding Fathers wrote into the Constitution that only a “native born” citizen could be President. They wanted to insure his loyalty was to the United States and not to some other country of birth. So far, I’ve not seen any real loyalty to the US in Oblama’s decisions.

          • Christopher L Clark

            You say be a Christian but maybe my brother has good reason to let me die. Real Christian. Another idiot. I said it was a made up story. Did you read or just skim? I would trust blood that never did me wrong over half blood that took payment from my enemy any day. Idiot.

          • Christopher L Clark

            Obama has 3 birth driven loyalties. #1) His fathers country- Kenya (Islamic), #2) Great Britain- Kenya was ruled by GB at that time. #3) USA, if he was born here, not something I wish to argue about. He has divided allegiance. He cannot LEGALLY be President because of DIVIDED ALLEGIANCE! Neither can Marco Rubio which started this thread. Marco Rubio had dual allegiance. He is a citizen of Cuba and the USA. He is a citizen of Cuba because at his birth his parents, BOTH OF THEM, were still Cuban citizens, so he AUTOMATICALLY has Cuban citizenship. He was born in the USA to legal residents so he ALSO has US citizenship. Divided allegiance. He CANNOT be President legally.

            Of course what is legal is what Obama says is legal now a days. The Constitution has been shredded and American citizens are to cowardly to stop it.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Great points in your post. Hopefully, the election of O was not a precedent that was set for future elections.
        If our national sovereignty no longer exists according to the shadow government who want a one world government in place it would not matter that the American people wanted an American citizen for president.

  • kypro ellas

    Good article but regarding Obama’s ineligibility, it is more important to point out his time in Indonesia than the possibility of being born in Kenya.

    When Obama’s mother married an Indonesian man and took Obama to Indonesia when he was 6-years old, he would have lost his U.S. citizenship and become Indonesian. Indonesia at the time did not recognize dual citizenship.

    When Obama was registered to attend school in Indonesia, the registration form listed him as “Barry Soetoro” (his stepfather’s last name), listed him as Indonesian, and listed is faith as Islam.

    According to the law at the time, Obama’s mother would have lost her U.S. citizenship by marrying an Indonesian and living in Indonesia. Four years later she returned to Hawaii and divorced her Indonesian husband. She could have regained her U.S. citizenship by taking an oath of allegiance to the United States but that there is no record that she did. Therefore, Obama would not have been able to regain his own citizenship until the age of 18 and himself take an oath of allegiance to the U.S. There is no record of that ever happening. This concludes that not only may Obama not be eligible to be president, but that he may be an illegal alien.

    Obama traveled to Pakistan at the age of 20 and traveled using an Indonesian passport. Had he regained his U.S. citizenship, he would have traveled using a U.S. passport.

    Also, Herman Cain? The man can’t be trusted. He was KC Fed reserve chair and it’s completely glossed over not just by the media but also his own website. That’s a big deal.

    • 45caliber

      kypro:

      In fact, when his mother married and moved to Indonesia, his step-father adopted him. That would automatically make him a citizen of the Indonesia regardless of where he was born or even who his natural father was.

    • Angelia

      You are correct in your argument but please allow me to add to your argument.

      At the time of Obama’s birth, to be a U.S. citizen, a person must either be born in the country, or have at least one parent who is an American citizen and who is legally qualified to transmit citizenship to his children.

      In order to transmit American citizenship the law required that any U.S. citizen having a child with a non-citizen to have been physically present in the United States for at least five years after the age of sixteen to automatically transmit American citizenship. Obama’s mother was 18 when her son was born and according to travel records, she did not live in the USA until she turned 21. She was unable to transfer her American Citizenship to her son.

      The only reason I knew about this law was because my parents followed it to the letter to make sure I was an American citizen.

      • ron

        Birther: One who believes the lie that the president is not a citizen of the United States. Who believes that along with the CIA the Sr. Obama was placed in the state of Hawaii to impregnate the first white woman he met because euro Americans are obsessed with color or the lack of and are lees threaten by light skinned blacks. (Michael Jackson’s, Colin Powell’s, ECT) Birthers also create film to back up their lies. Or they simply take film say from an actual newscast and make it mean something else. They are very good at hearing only what they want to hear. They also claim to be Christian but do not blame their past heroes for the plight of the American Indian.

        Birthers come in all intelligence levels the author Robert Ringer proves that. Most believe Elvis was alive for at least 20 years after his death. Like Christopher, most believe that only whites should read the constitution because there should never be a person of color in the WHITE house. I am sorry to say that most would argue that minorities do not come on this site, and if they do they would understand the name calling and out right hatred most display on this page. The half-breed, mulatto, Satan, Hitler names. Sure blacks will understand it. After all we gave them Christianity, where would they be without it? Long story short. The only truth that matters to a Birther is their lie.

  • http://none Nancy

    Obama IS NOT A CITIZEN OF THE USA. He is liar and a sneak and an ilegal. The birth cetificate he finally provided is a fraud, done by computers.
    This is cracked up crap about Rubio, by Obamasses!

  • Donald

    Just to keep this going, anyone who was born of a Cesarean Section is not “natural born” and is therefore ineligible to be President of the US.

  • Liztalk

    I’ve never read so much bigotry, racism, deliberate and willing belief of lies – all in one section of comments — Twisting of reality and truth to serve your prejudice beliefs. Many of you here are lining up to drink the “cool-aid.”

    And that includes, mostly, the instigator, Robert Ringer, the author who apparently validates all this racism and the lies. Just because his OPINION is published on this website, does not mean it is truth.

    • Paul Smith

      Your opinion is noted, Liz. Be gone from us, traitor, and may your chains rest lightly on your shoulders.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Why are you on this site? No one forced you to come here and post.
      You remind me of party crashers, who gorge themselves on the goodies that are offered to guests of which you are not and before you leave you malign the goodies and the host.

      • Liztalk

        Are you saying, Nadzieja, that I don’t have the free speech rights to read and respond on this site? Of course no one “forced” me to post here. No one ‘forces’ anyone to disagree or post opposing viewpoints. But I have the right to express my opinion, just like you do. It shouldn’t matter that I disagree with the majority of posters here. A free society allows for dissent, you know.

        The reason I check out this site is I like to see what different opinions and views are in the world. If you checked out some other websites with different views, you’d have the freedom to post your opinion there, and no one would force to or force you not to!

        I know many here don’t welcome me and my comments because they are the opposite of theirs. But, if you are secure in your opinion, then you can welcome the dissent.

        Maybe you are NOT secure in some of your viewpoints, and seeing the whole truth shakes you to your foundation – and that’s why some of you call me a “traitor.”

        When everyone agrees in a group, the individuals are validated in their opinion, no matter how extreme. To see that there may be some, or even many , who see things differently is good for discussion and learning. Ever heard the phrase, “The truth shall set you free.” ?

        • Nadzieja Batki

          How many of you did it take to write your posting? Why are you so defensive? Twisting words will not help you.

        • 45caliber

          Do I have the free speech rights to go to Huffington Post or Daily KOS and post? For some reason any conservative comments seem to disappear there very quickly. There is the same rights at both those and this one. Explain the differences.

        • 45caliber

          Liz:

          We don’t mind “dissenting talk”. But it isn’t dissenting talk to call names instead of presenting a different argument. You failed that test immediately.

        • DaveH

          I, for one, welcome your comments, Liz. They are the usual Liberal comments with little more than unsupported accusations and name-calling. And I couldn’t ask for more. It has been my mission in life to alert people to the truly bankrupt Principles that are embraced by Liberals and your comments only serve to alert others to that reality.
          Thank you, Liz.
          Let me know when you have something informative to add to the conversation. Meanwhile, I will take a nap while I wait. It will likely need to be a very long nap.

          • Liztalk

            Thank you, DaveH, for welcoming my comments. And thank you, 45caliber for saying you don’t mind dissenting thoughts.

            I believe it is important for ME to call out racism and bigotry when I see it, for if a person doesn’t, then racism grows and is seen as normal and accepted. All this ‘birther’ talk here, doubting President Obama’s right to the Presidency and doubting that he is American – has its root in racism. No matter how much evidence the President has shown that he is an American citizen born, and he HAS shown it, I don’t think some people here would believe it.

            No, some could look at his birth certificate in person and wouldn’t believe it was real. The President has shown his birth certificate and there are records of his birth at that Hawaiian hospital…

            No, some want him to show school scholarships, passports, more personal records, etc etc that no other President would be asked to show. Why? Because he is not white and his father was a black man and not Christian.

            This is racism. And wherever I see it, I will call it out. Maybe some of you posting here will see it too and will try to question your motives for this belief. All the twisting of facts and so-called ‘evidence’ cited for President Obama having a false claim to the U.S. Presidency are seen through the eyes of people who see what they want to see – preconceived prejudices.

            And Robert Ringer’s 95% certainty that Barack Obama must have been born in Kenya because the President didn’t show his birth certificate right away — is totally false logic. As if delay was some sort of proof! And saying that NO ONE has seen proof that Mr. Obama was born in the United States is a blatant and obvious lie. Why does he say these lies? That’s perhaps for Mr. Ringer to search in his own heart. But I hold Mr. Ringer responsible for helping spread the false birther lies because he has a podium to speak from and many read his letters and books. And I suspect the real reason for Mr. Ringer’s doing this, has a basis in racism.

          • Liztalk

            Since it is physically impossible for the original copy of President Obama’s birth certificate to suddenly be shown to every citizen, we’ll have to look at a copy via our computer. Although I doubt ANYTHING will convince certain doubters, here is an image of our President’s birth certificate for you to look at:

            http://images.fastcompany.com/upload/obama-birth-certificate.jpg

          • Kate8

            Liztalk – Dissenting opinions is one thing, but personal attacks and false accusations are not acceptable. Once again, another liberal hurls the old race-card talking points.

            You know what? You’re right. If he were any other color we’d all embrace the shattering of our freedom, the annihilation of our Constitution, the usurpation of power, the theft of our money, loss of our jobs, confiscation of our property, the bowing to foreign regimes, the snubbing of our allies, his incessant lying…

            Yep. We’d all be hopping right on the ol’ communist, NWO bandwagon.

            Now that we’ve got that settled, I guess we can all link arms and sing Kumbaya.

          • 45caliber

            No, Liz, it is NOT racism to question the lack of a valid birth certificate. To be honest, I suspect that Oblama did believe he was born in Hawaii – and now has little or no idea of where he actually was born. But from all I’ve seen of the “birth certificate” it is NOT Hawaii unless they just found it.

            The first form was not a birth certificate. (And I believe it is Hawaii’s mistake, not his.) The form released a few months ago was heavily photoshopped – again I don’t think he was aware of it. But someone is trying to cover something up – and I’d like to know what it is and who is doing it. That is not racism – it is a valid question about a problem that is on-going. I really don’t care if he is black, white, or green as long as he does his job – and I don’t believe he is doing his job. He is depending on others to do it for him. This shows a valid lack of attention to his job.

  • 45caliber

    I too would like to see that birth certificate – simply because he refuses to disclose it. Why? The Dems tried to bring that up about McCain and he IMMEDIATELY produced a copy. They dropped that idea instantly. So – why doesn’t Oblama wish to display that certificate?

  • Tom Dundee

    I am at the point where I would not begin with Obama’s birth certificate to prove his Constitutional eligibility to be president of the US.
    That said, I still want to see it. Actually, I want his whole life opened up. Every document from every turning point in his life has been locked up.

    I had concerns about Obama’s eligibility before I heard about the question over his birth place.

    1.) I would start with seeing his Selective Service registration. All male citizens are to register within 5 days of his 18th birthday. Failure to do so is a felony. Did he consider himself a US citizen at 18.
    2.) I would like to see his college scholarship paperwork. Did he receive a scholarship reserved for foreign students. I do not care about his grades, we already know he is smart enough to be elected president without having to prove his eligibility.
    3.) I want to see the passport used for his 1980s world tour. I don’t care where he went, I just want to see what country he claimed.

    These are 3 documents that he would have signed off on as an adult, so nothing can be blamed on his mother.

    Others have about 15 other documents that they would like to see and I would like to have these opened up as well. But my 3 are a good place to start, whereas most of the others address his character and integrity, but then we all have seen enough to know both are lacking.

    Let’s See All the Paperwork.

    • Albert W. L. Moore, Jr.

      The facts are what we need.

      Official investigation, as by Congress, is necessary to get them.

      His vital records and DNA will prove he was constitutionally eligible at birth, but did not have a Negro birth parent. That will put the kibosh on those who scream racist whenever anybody urges disclosure of the relevant and material facts. Obama has been running a minstrel show, fraudulently pretending to be African American.

      The real question of Obama’s constitutional eligibility is whether he lost U.S. citizenship altogether through the Indonesian connection. He can’t be a natural born U.S. citizen if he’s not a U.S. citizen at all, even though he was a natural born U.S. citizen at birth.

      Even if a thorough inquiry confirms Obama’s technical constitutional eligibility, it will disclose a trash trove of corruption and sedition. He is probably a mole. His words and conduct are moe consistent with mole than President.

  • Jim Reiss

    The Supreme Court has defined in 4 different opinions, that a Natural Born Citizen was one born of two citizen parents. Rubio’s parents were not citizens when he was born. To promote him for an office that he is not eligible to hold, makes you no better than the goons who certified Obama.

  • Jim Reiss

    Prior to the 2008 elections, both Hilliary Clinton and Barack Obama tried to attach legislation to an unrelated bill, that would have removed the Natural Born Citizen clause from the constitution. the attempts failed in the house. Where do they come off thing that they cacn ammend the Constitution with legislation without the States Ratifying it?

    • Angelia

      To Date, not ONE of the bills have passed both houses. Please look at my post below where I have listed them in order. The only Bill that has been passed was the challenge against John McCain and that wasn’t an honest bill.

  • Dale

    I am a fan of Mr. Rubio. He is not a natural born citizen. How hypocritical it would be to place him on a ballot. By doing this, those concerned about Obama’s eligibility become simply political opportunists, just like the Democrats, and hypocrites, just like them.

    He is not eligible.

    I would vote for Obama before I would support such hypocricy by the only party left that cares about the constitution.

    • 45caliber

      If he is born in the US of legal immigrants why isn’t he a “Native born citizen?”

      • Angelia

        Mr. Rubio would not be a Native born citizen, he would be a Naturalized citizen. A Native born citizen would a child born to one American citizen and one non-citizen.

        • Albert W. L. Moore, Jr.

          Under the 14th amendment, Rubio is a citizen by right of birth in the U.S.A. I would suggest that the 14th Amendment be tweaked to confer citizenship by birth in the U.S. only when both parents were U.S. citizens at the time of birth.

          Rubio would be eligible for service in the Senate even if he were a naturalized citizen.

          Because his parents were not U.S. citizens, Rubio is not a natural born U.S. citizen eligible to the Office of President under U.S.Const. Art. II Sec. 1.

      • Christopher L Clark

        Rubio’s parents were legal CUBAN RESIDENTS at the time or Rubio’s birth. His parents were LEGAL CUBAN CITIZENS but American RESIDENTS. Rubio therefore has CUBAN citizenship as well as citizenship in the USA. Because he has DUAL CITIZENSHIP he has dual allegiance according to the law. Maybe not in his heart, but according to the law he does. I will not question his heart, but I MUST as an American Citizen fight against anyone ruling this country that has dual allegiance.

        Not long ago a naturalized citizen who had sworn allegiance to this country when citizenship was bestowed upon him and then he attempted to attack US citizens and a Judge asked him, ” you swore allegiance, how could you attack us” He answered ” I AM YOUR ENEMY, I LIED”

  • skyskiers

    I POSTED ALL THE EVIDENCE YOU NEED (AT 1:31 PM) TO EDUCATE YOURSELF CONCERNING NATURAL BORN, NATIVE BORN OR NATURALIZED. SCROLL BACK UP TO THE 1:31 PM POST AND GO TO THE 5 LINKS, WHICH PROOVE BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, THAT OBAMA IS A FRAUD, AND SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE IMMEDIATLY!

    • Christopher L Clark

      A natural born citizen CANNOT have allegiance to more that the USA by itself. Obama has Allegiance to Kenya and England through his father, MAY have allegiance to Indonesia through his step father and SUPPOSEDLY if he was born in the USA allegiance to the USA. Thats at least 3 different countries and maybe 4 that he has allegiance to. A natural born citizen has allegiance to the USA ONLY!

  • Spyder Dalton

    It is also interesting how no one has come forward that was either taught by O-BLAME-O Bin Lyin as a former student of his or a classmate of his while he was in college. No former girlfriends exist either.
    Where did this guy come from? Who the hell has no history of associates? Why is his SSN one that comes from an area he never lived in?

  • Angelia

    This issue really boils down to one question, do you follow the Constitutional Laws or not. POTUS had a virtual army covering up for him long before he campaigned for the office of president.

    If you believe that the “Natural Born Citizen” in not important then why is it that from 2003 to 2008 there have been EIGHT different bills presented for a vote between the congress and senate to strip the Natural Born Citizen requirement out of the Constitution? I don’t expect anyone to take my word so I have listed the bills so that you can see them for yourself.

    By the way, according to the 9th District Court of Appeals in California, ANY CANDIDATE RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT CAN CHALLENGE POTUS’S ELIGIBILITY TO RUN FOR THE SAME OFFICE. The original lawsuit was filed in 2008 and heard by 2011 Keyes V Obama.

    Here are the Bills that I spoke of:

    108TH CONGRESS: H.J.RES.59 JUNE 11, 2003

    108TH CONGRESS: H.J. RES 59.IH JUNE 11, 2003

    1085TH CONGRESS: S.J. RES. 15 JULY 10, 2003

    108TH CONGRESS: H.J. 67 SEPTEMBER 3 2003

    108TH CONGRESS: H.J RES.104.IH SEPTEMBER 15, 2004

    109TH CONGRESS: H.J. RES.2 JANUARY 4, 2005

    110TH CONGRESS: S.2678.IS FEBRUARY 28, 2008

    110TH CONGRESS: S.2678 FEBRUARY 28, 2008

    11OTH CONGRESS: S.RES.511.­IS APRIL 10, 2008

    110TH CONGRESS: S.RES.511.­RS APRIL 10, 2008

    110TH CONGRESS: S.RES.511.­ATS APRIL 30, 2008

  • JD

    Marco Rubio is a thief. One of the first things he did after getting elected by clueless minorities was to spend HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS in public money on lavish furnishings/upgrades at his Tallahassee office, and paying his crony staff over-inflated salaries. He has financially raped the people of Florida and will gladly continue the plundering of the entire American populace if installed as VP of U.S., Incorporated.

  • watchfuleye357

    The ignorance that prevails in the run for presidencey, is the same ignorance that lead us to this path. The sad thing is when you have people overtly beyond reason contriving to make a issue where there was none. People, citizens aught to be insulted as to how ignorant they believe you to be. They the right wing really believe you can’t see beyond the types of games they do, when they are so transparent. Ask your self this, where were they when bush was in office, and where were they when he ran for a second term? They should have been so angry then, and you the peoiple should realize its not about anything rational, its about racism. These people want to really have autonomy over the country and sell you along the way. The real facts lay in the fact that they have damaged this country so deeply, and refuse to aide in healing her. so the next time a right winger tells you that Obama’s a enemy of the country, asked them where was their alligences when they allowed bush to spend all the surplus and then run up the debt that needed a bail out?

  • watchfuleye357

    Oh Yeah! EYE”S UP, EYE’S OPEN!!! at

  • http://jayjay Mary Vaughn

    All of you people on here are a bunch of racists. First you were upset because he attended the church of Jeramiah something or other and then he was a muslim, then he wasn’t born here, nest he is a socialist, nazi, fascist and the anti-christ. You accuse him of hating white people must be terrible to hate half of yourself. The other day I saw a video of Tea Party people carrying horrid signs one of them had a cartoon of a KKK member hhanging O’Bama at the end of a rope. How far will you people go. No President has ever been treated this way. Shame on all of you bigots. By the way Karolyn you should have studied a little harder on what a muslim is and where his ancestry came from. Actually I think Ishmael was also the son of Abraham.

    • Richard M Peck

      Yes he was by one of his handmaidens because Ruth could not conceive.After She had a boy at an old age,she had Abraham make the handmaiden and his son go away. I wonder how Ishmael felt about that and what he did to his fathers faith.?

    • Christopher L Clark

      Both Issac and Ishmael were sons of Issac.

      It began in Genesis 16 when YHWH (Yahweh) made His Covenant with Abraham’s son Isaac, and in essence, sent the half-brother Ishmael on his merry way to become “a geat nation” (the present day Arabs, most of whom are Muslim). In Genesis 16:13-16 (years before Abraham’s second son Isaac was born) the Angel of the Lord told Abraham’s servant Hagar that her son Ishmael would be “…a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, and everyone’s hand will be against him; and he will live to the east of all his brothers.”

      Hence the 3,000 year fight between Hebrews and Muslims

      • Christopher L Clark

        Scuse me. Typo. I am human. Issac and Ishmael were both sons of Abraham.

      • moonbeam

        Bible Prophesy ROCKS! Those who are skeptical about who God is, His wisdom and power need only read His Word. As you can see, He is right on the mark in His prophetic description of the behavior and character of the Ishmaelites. They are today just as He said thousands of years ago what they would be.

        Some just don’t get it. But that is the way it is when truth convicts.

    • D. Williams

      When we can’t defend our position with facts, the fallback shall always be to pull the RACE card.

  • moonbeam

    WOW! You put it all in a nutshell there. And I love the very clever style of writing too. You state both sides of the issues and your conclusions are inarguable. Bravo!

    “telling the biggest whoppers imaginable with a completely straight face,” You can say that again.

    “…Barack Obama was a legitimate citizen of the United States or may prove that he pulled off the biggest scam in U.S. presidential history.”

    You may be a skeptic, but I’m a believer of the latter being true. Who was that waskily wabbit?

    Redrafting the Constitution for clarification purposes would be perilous. Everybody and their brother will have their own interpretation of what is already plainly written, while a “but” is added to it with amendments and reading something into it that isn’t there. No wonder those sworn to uphold it have no respect for it, thus disregard it.

    Changing Our Constitution from its original form could destroy its purpose and meaning. Start adding more ingredients it then becomes something different than what was originally intended.

    I say make no clarification changes to the constitution, but rather people acquire reading comprehension skills if understanding a document with simple instructions is a problem.

    • Christopher L Clark

      Something that 99% of people do not understand is that when Congress makes a new law or regulation, when the President signs a new executive order it BECOMES part of the Constitution. It may SEEM as if the laws and regulations are somehow seperate from the Constitution but they are not. They are one in the same. They just dont want you to understand that. Ask a Constitutional scholar that is honest. He will confirm what I am saying.

      • Christopher L Clark

        Oh forgot one branch. The Supreme Court. Whenever the Supreme court makes a judgement it becomes part of the Constitution as well. Thats why they wont hear certain cases. They dont want to confirm what is already known because it would undermine those in power. Hence the ruling by the Judge about Obamas SS# as not being in the public interest. If the Judge hears the case he has to make a decision that becomes Constitutional law unless another higher Judge overrules him.

  • Jim Reiss

    Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government.

    James Madison

  • Jim Reiss

    The historical background that James Madison speaks of was that the founders wanted to make certain that a foreigner could not be President of the United States. That’s why the Natural Born clause is in the constitution. The so called birth certificate that Barack Obama posted online last April is proof enough that he is not eligible to be President. It states that his father was a Kenyan citizen. Kenya was a part of the British Empire, Making Mr. Obama a subject of Britain. Either way, his son was either a British subject, or Kenyan citizen, either of which makes him ineligible to hold the Office of President. The Democrats knew it, and whether they wanted power bad enough to ignore the Constitution or whether they just didn’t mind trashing it is anybody’s guess. Call me racisst or whatever, but facts are facts.

    • Christopher L Clark

      Please excuse me again. Again I am human and made a mistake. I stated that “Whites that believe in the Constitution have a responsibility to LEARN the Constitution and defend it” I was WRONG. ALL PEOPLE OF ALL COLORS AND CREEDS AND BACKGROUNDS need to learn what the Constitution originally stood for and fight for it today. Not just whites. My apologies to anyone I offended. It was not intentional.

      • James

        Christopher, Your mistake was all tht onerous. Back when the Constitution was written there were blacks here who weren’t slaves, but neither were they citizens. Back then ALL citizens were White, nor was that unusual, all nations were of one predominant race.

        • James

          “was all” should have read “was not all”.

  • Jay

    Very disturbing Mr. Ringer, but not one bit surprising. One need only read the communist plan to destroy America, penned by non other then Albert Pike, to see the writing on the wall. Consider carefully, if you will, verse 3.

    1.”The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World.

    2.The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…

    3.We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.

    4.Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.

    5.This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”

    • Jay

      Sorry folks, meant to post the above statement in another room! My bad…

  • Jim Reiss

    A bastardized, illegitimate form of government is exactly what we have today.

  • CJM

    In the first place, Rubio has never said he wanted to run for the Presidency; some supporterss made those kind of statements, so why all the blather about whether or not heis eligible or not? Jindal also has made no statement about running for the Presidency–supporters have. In the second place, both have acknowleged they most likely would not be eligible because their paresnts were not citizens at the time of their birth. Seems to me that these two gentlemen understand that, like Schwarneggar, they can run for political office, including the Senate and H of Rep., but not for becoming the President…so why not just leave the subject alone? As for stupid in the Oval Office–he KNOWS he is NOT ELIGIBLE and campaigned illegally. Is he a satanic believer? Absolutely–there is no doubt about it. If Congress had a spine instead of that wide yellow streak down their backs, they would impeach the imposter and have him arrested along with his mafiosa for their criminal acts.

    • Jim Reiss

      I merely posted on it because many people keep pushing Senator Rubio as a possible VP candidate. As far as I know, he is agood American, but if you are going to complain about Obama, then don’t be willing to do the same thing that he did just because you like someone. I don’t think that the Constitution should be twisted by anybody, regardleww of his party.

      • Jim Reiss

        Pardon the misspelling, my old fingers don’t work well with modern things like keyboards.

    • Christopher L Clark

      First let me state that any referance to satanism shows the possibility of your ignorance. Satanism should not be spoken of if you choose to be taken as a serious person. It makes you seem childish and unintelligent. If you wish to speak, speak of those things that you can PROVE only. You state that

      ” if Congress had a spine instead of that wide yellow streak down their backs, they would impeach the imposter and have him arrested along with his mafiosa for their criminal acts.”

      I will say this. I agree with you. I truly do. Congress is guilty of supression of treason, The United States Military is guilty of the supression of treason. However let us say you have a wife and children. You either do what you are told or they die. I am stating this in all seriousness. What do you do??? Do you go home to your wife and say, Baby I am sorry but I chose my country first and that means that in the next few days you and our children will be murdered? Could you say that? Could you even know that but never say it yet know that it would be so? You know as well as I do that 99.9999999% of HUMAN BEINGS would do as they are told. So dont get righteous on us. Only American citizens en mass can change the path we are on. American citizens however have become the cowards that their WW2 grandfathers would be ashamed of. So there is no hope. Get used to it or GET UP OFF OF YOUR ASS AND STAND AND FIGHT. If you are not willing to fight you are as much a traitor as those taking away your freedoms and liberty. Either way stand or shut the f*** up.

  • ROBERT CHADWICK,II

    DID YOU READ WHERE A WITNESS TO HOBAMA’S REAL BIRTH LOCATION IS GOING TO TESTIFY SO AS TO END THIS SITUATION. GREAT NEWS, CAN’T WAIT.

    • Christopher L Clark

      If you truly believe this GOD bless you.

    • Albert W. L. Moore, Jr.

      I didn’t read it. Where does the story appear?

      Is the witness perchance Obama’s actual birth mother, a native Hawai’ian wahine, who underwent artificial insemination (maybe for school money) so that Stanley Armour Dunham could have a son, his heart’s desire? If she were, say, 20 at the time, she would be about 70 now, if she’s still alive.

      Wouldn’t it be a journalistic coup to find her, get a lock of her hair and a lock of Obama’s, to see whether their mitochondrial DNA matches, confirming her as his actual birth mother? Especially when he has so disrespected her by refusing to acknowledge her as his mother. Yes, sir, that would be quite a turn of events. And if she be deceased, the exact circumstances of her demise would be a fit subject of inquiry.

  • American Citizen

    Obama still has not shown a real birth certificate. A certificate of live birth is not the same thing. We all can get one of those if we’re alive. It does not have all the information on it that a true birth certificate has. People who have a Hawaiian birth certificate and were born the same year as Obama say theirs is different than his supposed one.

    • Albert W. L. Moore, Jr.

      The latest “birth certificate” is a picture of most of Obama’s amended birth certificate, required by law in cases of adoption, showing the adoptive parents. The real, original birth certificate, showing actual birth parents, will change the minds of many, and enable us to concentrate on the real issue of Obama’s eligibility, his possible loss of U.S. citizenship by his acquisition and exercise of Indonesian citizenship.

      We won’t get the facts without official investigation, as by a committee of Congress.

      Without the facts, Democratic voters will not have a sound basis for deciding whether Obama should be their standard-bearer.

      Without the facts, including all evidence of the effect of Indonesian citizenship on U.S. citizenship, with complete briefing on the legal implications of the facts, election officials will not be in a position to decide whether Obama should get on the ballot. If we continue to dilly-dally on investigating Obama until he applies for a place on the ballot, it will be too late for a meaningful investigation of the Indonesian connection.

    • moonbeam

      What Obama showed to the people was a faked COLB or Certificate of Live Birth. Anyone can get one after living in Hawaii for one year. As I said in another article thread, they give them out like candy on halloween.

      Research what a COLB is and how easily you can get one too.

  • Christopher L Clark

    A thought to think about, if you will. A cigarette smoker in his/her teens thinks nothing about the consequences once they turn 50. For 236 years the Constitution has been a constantly changing instrument of law in the United States. Laws have been written and rewritten in such ways that the intent of the original framers has been totally lost and realistically has become and abortion of the most egregious nature. If the framers were here today I personally believe that they would state that the country that they built has become the country that they fought against. Run by bankers and the rich and we are told what we can and cannot do in a meer representation of freedom. These things and laws have changed so slowly over the last 236 years that we have become accustomed to them so slowly that we didnt mind or care. If we choose to allow this to continue now there is no hope for freedom to ever exist again. Freedom has been and is under attack and freedom demands that all true Americans stand and fight for liberty. Today the truth is that Congress is constantly bypassed by Persidential Executive Orders that Congress can do nothing about. Is this not a representation, in fact a reality of a Dictatorship? The President has the power today to do ANYTHING he should dedree by EXECUTIVE ORDER reguardless of what our representatives vote for. Not that our representatives today are true and honest, but they are supposed to have a vote before laws are passed as is outlined by the Constitution in it’s original form. No longer though. Your elected representatives have no say in Presidential Executive Orders. You have no say. He can do ANYTHING he wants. The Constitution means nothing. When will you realize this. When will you care about your childrens future enough to stand against this. I fear never. GOD help us all.

  • http://www.youtube.com/jdubya0257 William Wynne

    Marco Rubio is a great American Patriot, but he is NOT a natural born citizen! His father was in the process of becoming a naturalized citizen, but he was NOT a US citizen at the time of his birth. Ergo, Marco is NOT Constitutionally eligible to be POTUS or VP! Had his father BEEN a US citizen at birth, he could have been born ANYWHERE in the WORLD, and he would be a natural born Citizen.

    A “natural born Citizen” is any child born to the FATHER of a US citizen, regardless of birthplace or maternal citizenship! PERIOD!

    The Founders did NOT define a nbC, but one of their contemporaries did, even though he didn’t use the term, nbC. Don’t take my word. Do your own research. Google Emerich De Vattel and Jedi Pauly.

    Prepare to be educated and spread the truth about the usurper Soetero aka Obama, or choose to turn off the light switch of truth you have just been exposed to. The choice is yours! I pray you choose wisely.

    • Christopher L Clark

      You have several things correct and several things incorrect. As defined by An English-language translation of Emerich de Vattel’s 1758 treatise The Law of Nations (original French title: Le Droit du gens), stating that “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country of parents (PLURAL, BOTH PARENTS) who are citizens,” was quoted in 1857 by Supreme Court justice Peter Vivian Daniel in a concurring opinion in Dred Scott v. Sandford.

      Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as president of the United States:

      “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;

      It is IMMEDIATLY noticable that the framers distinguished between a “citizen” and a “natural born citizen”.

      John Bingham stated in the House of Representatives in 1862:

      Who are natural-born citizens but those born in the Republic? […] [P]ersons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, (OWING NO ALLEGIANCE TO ANY OTHER COUNTRY) are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.

      He reiterated his statement in 1866:

      Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty (NOT A CITIZEN OF ANY OTHER COUNTRY) is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural-born citizen.

      ANY PERSON BORN IN A COUNTRY AND NOT OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ANY FOREIGN COUNTRY. This is the accepted definition of what the Constitution states.

      Furthermore;
      All Constitutional scholars agree that the framers of the Constitution relied heavily on a book called “The Law of Nations” when they were writing the Constitution. That book states….

      An English-language translation of Emerich de Vattel’s 1758 treatise The Law of Nations (original French title: Le Droit du gens), stating that “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country of parents who are citizens,”

      For ANYONE to believe that it serves our country justly to have a person, man or woman, in the highest office in the land, be the subject of TWO COUNTIRES, is an IDIOT. No person would then be able to know for sure exactly where the Presidents alliegance would lie. As in the Case with Barack Obama, when born he was a British subject because at the time of his birth Obamas father was a citizen of Kenya which was under British rule. However he was also a United States Citizen. Just as George Washington himself was born in England and was a British citizen he was also an American citizen. He was a “citizen”. Hence we go back to the statement that “NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, OR A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES, AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF THIS Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President. You see there were very few men that were natural born citizens in the United States AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF THE CONSTITUTION, so they had no choice but to make the distinction. The only people that believe different than this are complete idiots!

      In completion you go ahead and elect your half Iranian half US citizen, or your half Chinese and half US citizen. Those of you that stand for such things are not thinking about where that Presidents alegiance lies. Many terrorist have become US citizens, swore their alegiance to the Constitution and then after blowing something up, or threatening to, when they were in court they were asked, “You swore alegiance to our country, how could you do this?” Their answer? ” I AM YOUR ENEMY, I LIED”. You go ahead and vote in whoever you want. If you support ANYONE other than is explained here in my writings, anyone that is subject too 2 countries at birth, THEN YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO THE CONSTITUTION AND YOU ARE NOT WORTH THE SWEAT OFF OF MY A$$!!!!!!!!!

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    9-7-11
    Wiselady says and asks:

    Hard to believe we now have a birther inquisitive group..but why did they not bring out the other birther sistuation, Obama’s? If Rubio’s parents were here legally, wouldn’t that make him a legal baby also? Unlike Obama’s father, who was here to attend a University but was kicked out of it for reasons not clear to me, tells me that a hush hush rush ensued for Obama while Rubio”s birth has more merit of a legal status than his.

    Rubio’s parents were natrualized citizens which might also include the child as a natrualized citizen. Whereas in Obama’s case, he had a non American father but an America mother that gives some credence to the birthers the probability that he might have been born here and that is what they are trying to prove. Their thinking is: see! If Rubio can be a foreign born child, which he was not, Obama’s birth certificate should be enough regardles of its composition. I, too, believe that he was not born in the USA and the birth certificate is a poorly written document. We had only typewriters in those days. Take it to a carbon copy expert, for crying out loud!!Demand it!

    Obama’s political influences have some of his his father’s touch in ideolog. Tell a lie long enough and people come to believe it.

    I look forward to hearing what the witness has to say. But most important, will his/her veracity be cross examined? I hope so!

    The Constitution needs to be Reconstructed to avoid these issues.
    Not to do so opens the door to foreigners running our country.

    • Albert W. L. Moore, Jr.

      Both of Rubio’s parents must be U.S. citizens at the time of his birth in the United States for Rubio to be a natural born U.S. citizen as the term is used in U.S.Const. Art. II Sec. 1. They may be citizens by birth or by naturalization.

      Birthers think they have Obama dead to rights because Obama the black Luo tribesman, his putative father, was an alien. But the Luo was not Obama’s birth father. He was Obama’s adoptive father. The latest proffered “birth certificate” published on 27 April 2011 is a photo of a major part of Obama’s amended birth certificate, essentially a certificate of adoption, masked or cropped to eliminate the word “AMENDED”. Dr. Fukino tipped everybody to an adoption when she stated in July 2009 that she had seen the “vital records” of Obama and that he was a natural born U.S. citizen. That excludes the Luo tribesman as his birth father, because the Luo was an alien. Obama’s DNA will show that it is biologically impossible for him to be the son of a Negro father and a Caucasian mother.

      Rubio was clearly ineligible to the Office of President at birth. Obama will be shown to be eligible at birth but not the son of the alien Luo. He merely pretends to be African American. He is probably the son of Stanley Armour Dunham and an obliging native Hawai’ian wahine, from whom he inherits his warm mahogany complexion. This is why he withholds his original birth certificate. When people find they were duped into believing he was African American, that “Dreams from My Father” was a complete fabrication and a colossal hoax, his political base will erode.

      Obama’s real constitutional eligibility problem is a probable loss of U.S. citizenship in the course of acquiring and exercising Indonesian citizenship. The term “natural born U.S. citizen” subsumes “U.S. citizen”. You can’t be a natural born U.S. citizen if you’re not a U.S. citizen at all, even if you were a natural born U.S. citizen at the time of your birth.

      See
      http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html:

      “POTENTIALLY EXPATRIATING ACTS

      “Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481), as amended, states that U.S. citizens are subject to loss of citizenship if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Briefly stated, these acts include:

      “1. obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);

      ****
      “ADMINISTRATIVE STANDARD OF EVIDENCE

      “As already noted, the actions listed above can cause loss of U.S. citizenship only if performed voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship. The Department has a uniform administrative standard of evidence based on the premise that U.S. citizens intend to retain United States citizenship when they obtain naturalization in a foreign state, subscribe to a declaration of allegiance to a foreign state, serve in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or accept non-policy level employment with a foreign government.”

      Did Obama acquire and exercise Indonesian citizenship? Did he do so voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship?
      Did Obama travel to Pakistan in 1981 on an American passport? I’m not asking whether it was possible. I’m asking whether he did it in fact. 1. Did he make the trip? 2. Was it on an American passport?

      How can these questions be answered without exhaustive official investigation of Obama? He will claim he did not voluntarily and intentionally relinquish U.S. citizenship, but he has been such a pathological liar in claiming the distinction of a black Luo father that one could reasonably disbelieve him.

    • Christopher L Clark

      You state…
      “The Constitution needs to be Reconstructed to avoid these issues.
      Not to do so opens the door to foreigners running our country”

      The only people that believe this are Liberals. The Constitution contains no ambiguity. Ambiguity has been CREATED by liberals that believe that the Constitution needs to be rewritten. The only enemy of the Constitution are those that believe that there are holes in it and that the framers didnt forsee things. The framers were by all accounts MUCH more intelligent that the most intelligent of us. They knew that government was the enemy of the people and of Liberty and they framed the Constitution SPECIFICALLY to help future generations defend against the money whore bankers and those that would sell their soul for the same. Through 236 years since the signing we have become used to stupidity like “RED EYE” and ” Ricky Bobby”.
      People dont read anymore. Families have purpously been put in financial situations where they have no time to read or learn truth because they have to fight every minute to feed their children or fight the system to keep them. The world has been specifically manipulated so that the average person has no time to read and learn and understand anything but financially supporting their family. Then to make matters worse schools have been instructed to use instructional materials and books that tell lies about US history.

      For instance, right at this moment, the memory of Jimmy Hoffa SR is being attacked. Jimmy Hoffa SR was a great man. He helped people to gain workers rights. Increase wages to respectable reasonable levels. However the BUSINESS of unions have become fat cows that support whoever pays them and union workers would rahter get high and drink than truly work. This is NOT the work ethic that Jimmy Hoffa SR had. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Jimmy Hoffa 2nd does his father a TOTAL injustice. I am also sure he is being pressured and used.

      Unions took power from the rich. The rich have worked for nearly 90 years to LEGALLY take away the power of the unions by BUYING the powerfull union bosses. The rich have moved jobs overseas on purpose to kill the American worker and they changed the laws allowing them to move thier companies overseas by paying off Congressmen and women.

      They have now reached the point where the Constitution has been LEGALLY been changed so much that they can PUT in power anyone that they want and dictate what Presidential Executive Orders will be written to instantly change the laws in a way that they want.

      Everyone is saying that Obama is to blame becaus eof all the regulations he is putting into place. Those regulations are killing business. That IS TRUE. HOWEVER big business WANTS Americans to suffer long and hard so that when jobs come back that we will take any job at any pay and be quiet about it.

      Everything is arranged. They want ot break you into submission. That way you accept anything they offer.

      The TRUTH? The Tea Party is right!!!! So are the Liberals. BOTH SIDES ARE RIGHT IN THEIR OWN WAY.

      Remember “United we stand divided we fall” “THEY” are dividing us on purpose.

      I know what it takes to defeat this evil. I can plan it and I will even lead it. I will die for it if necessary. For the Constitution. For Liberty. For Americans.

      Will you?

    • moonbeam

      Reconstruct it for what purpose and whose gain? Here we go again. If you don’t understand a simple document then change it around so that it is meaningless and open to anyone’s interpretation.

      For this very reason I don’t read the NIV Bible. It is not God’s Word but the errant word of man, who is continually evil, that has Jesus saying things He NEVER said. It has Him talking about “telephone poles” for crying out loud. I read that and just shook my head in disgust. God said to not add to His Word nor take away from it. Man changed it in the NIV without God’s permission.

      The Constitution should stand as it stands. Change nothing but follow it to the letter in its original intent.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    9-7-11

    To liberty Digest: A NOTE to YOU

    Wise lady is requesting that you delete my name and e-mail from your
    Liberty Digest since you continuously tell me I have already said that. PROVE it if you are going to accuse me. Please give the example of the repeated info you claim I have have submitted.

    Bet you can’t and won’t respond!!

    By the way, I am an Hispanic, Listed in, “Who is Who in American Politics”, 1975-76. Goodbye

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  • Christopher L Clark

    So many people do not listen, nor do they read, nor do they want to. It’s much to time consuming to LEARN things for a fact.

    I will make it as simple as possible.

    When Obama was born, his mother was arguably a US citizen, His father in NO WAY was a US citizen. A child born of one parent on US soil IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. A child born to a citizen of ANY country other than the USA and a citizen of the USA has DUAL CITIZENSHIP. Any person that has dual citizenship is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

    Let me state a purely ficticious, meaning a fantasy, STORY. It is NOT real.

    Let us say that an American woman is raped by a man of another culture and a citizen of another country. The woman decided to have the child. The child is born in the USA. The father is NOT a citizen. The child has DUAL CITIZENSHIP. Maybe the father comes back maybe not. The child still has dual citizenship. Who here can read his mind and say beyond ALL doubt that the child is true to the USA? I would WANT to believe that the child is true to the USA but in REALITY the child has DUAL CITIZENSHIP. No President can have dual citizenship. President Obama has dual citizenship. That is why his Presidency is a lie. It is a fraud. The Congress, The Supreme Court and the entire military of the United States backs a man that is NOT the President. ALL members of Congress are traitors to the Constitution. ALL members of the Supreme Court are traitors to the Constitution. ALL Members of the military are traitors to the Constitution. All Americans that refuse to fight against these traitors are themselves traitors. I have no intelligence on how to fight this. I have never fired more than a bb gun. I have no clue what to do. I know I AM HERE. I AM READY. I WILL FIGHT. IF NECESSARY I WILL DIE. I will defend the Constitution Of the United States and the LIBERTY that it protects that is being stolen from us daily. I only wish my father were next to me when I do it. My father always believed in standing for people. People that were willing to stand and work for what they EARNED. Give an honest day for and honest days pay. Nobody believes that anymore. I joined a union to learn and got bitched out because I worked to fast. I got to much done to quickly. When I told them this is how my father taught me I was labled a troublemaker. Unions are supposed to be good. They are supposed to protect the little guy. They got lazy though. They got greedy. I was told straight to my face. ” We dont want this ship going out on time, we want people to be able to get double time and a half and triple time during Christmas”. Honest day for honest pay no longer exists. We may WANT IT TO but it is time to accept what is truly real. The farmers cow got fat and didnt want to work anymore. Now however, those in unions are still uninformed, they dont know that the union leaders and bilking them for their power of numbers so they become rich. The International doesnt care about the little guy. It’s about money. Union members dont understand though. Schools have been dumbing down for 60 years so that people wouldnt truly understand. I can tell you now that this is the only website that will post my words. The Blaze, Before it’s news, Alex Jones… all of them, I post the words I am saying now and I am censored. TOTALLY. My words NEVER appear. I am dangerous because I am right and I promise you I am on MANY lists. You dont believe me? It’s only because you dont want to or are to lazy to check my words across the net. GOD bless all of you. Learn. If for nobody else but your children. For your childrens sake learn.

    • Albert W. L. Moore, Jr.

      Official investigation, starting with the subpoenae of Obama’s DNA and the “vital records” referred to by Dr. Fukino in July 2009 will show that Obama was born to two U.S. citizens, neither of them a “parent” named in the latest proffered “birth certificate” published on 27 April 2011, and neither of them a Negro. Obama withholds the original so that he can pretend to be African American.

      The facts can vastly simplify legal analysis.

      Verification of Obama’s eligibility at birth, however, does not resolve the matter, though there is a strong tendency to assume that.

      The birth certificate controversy is a distraction from the real issue, whether Obama lost U.S. citizenship in acquiring and exercising Indonesian citizenship. Apparently Obama considers this a serious problem, as he has made strenuous efforts to conceal evidence of his Indonesian citizenship, as well as crucial evidence bearing upon his intent and volition with regard to the relinquishment of his U.S. citizenship.

  • Albert W. L. Moore, Jr.

    Both of Rubio’s parents must be U.S. citizens at the time of his birth in the United States for Rubio to be a natural born U.S. citizen as the term is used in U.S.Const. Art. II Sec. 1. They may be citizens by birth or by naturalization.

    Birthers think they have Obama dead to rights because Obama the black Luo tribesman, his putative father, was an alien. But the Luo was not Obama’s birth father. He was Obama’s adoptive father. The latest proffered “birth certificate” published on 27 April 2011 is a photo of a major part of Obama’s amended birth certificate, essentially a certificate of adoption, masked or cropped to eliminate the word “AMENDED”. Dr. Fukino tipped everybody to an adoption when she stated in July 2009 that she had seen the “vital records” of Obama and that he was a natural born U.S. citizen. That excludes the Luo tribesman as his birth father, because the Luo was an alien. Obama’s DNA will show that it is biologically impossible for him to be the son of a Negro father and a Caucasian mother.

    If election officials reject Obama’s latest proffered “birth certificate” because it shows an alien father, or because his DNA is inconsistent with the known genetic heritage of the “parents” named in it, Obama will try to submit his real, original birth certificate under seal and under an order of confidentiality, to continue to misrepresent his true racial heritage.

    Rubio was clearly ineligible to the Office of President at birth. Obama will be shown to be eligible at birth but not the son of the alien Luo. He merely pretends to be African American. He is probably the son of Stanley Armour Dunham and an obliging native Hawai’ian wahine, from whom he inherits his warm mahogany complexion. This is why he withholds his original birth certificate. When people find they were duped into believing he was African American, that “Dreams from My Father” was a complete fabrication and a colossal hoax, his political base will erode.

    Obama’s real constitutional eligibility problem is a probable loss of U.S. citizenship in the course of acquiring and exercising Indonesian citizenship. The term “natural born U.S. citizen” subsumes “U.S. citizen”. You can’t be a natural born U.S. citizen if you’re not a U.S. citizen at all, even if you were a natural born U.S. citizen at the time of your birth.

    See
    http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html:

    “POTENTIALLY EXPATRIATING ACTS

    “Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481), as amended, states that U.S. citizens are subject to loss of citizenship if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Briefly stated, these acts include:

    “1. obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);

    ****
    “ADMINISTRATIVE STANDARD OF EVIDENCE

    “As already noted, the actions listed above can cause loss of U.S. citizenship only if performed voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship. The Department has a uniform administrative standard of evidence based on the premise that U.S. citizens intend to retain United States citizenship when they obtain naturalization in a foreign state, subscribe to a declaration of allegiance to a foreign state, serve in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or accept non-policy level employment with a foreign government.”

    Did Obama acquire and exercise Indonesian citizenship? Did he do so voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship?
    Did Obama travel to Pakistan in 1981 on an American passport? I’m not asking whether it was possible. I’m asking whether he did it in fact. 1. Did he make the trip? 2. Was it on an American passport?

    How can these questions be answered without exhaustive official investigation of Obama? He will claim he did not voluntarily and intentionally relinquish U.S. citizenship, but he has been such a pathological liar in claiming the distinction of a black Luo father that one could reasonably disbelieve him.

    It is imperative that Obama be thoroughly investigated now:

    - so that Democratic Party voters can make an informed decision whether they want Obama as their standard bearer. It could be devastating to the Party if it commits to Obama and thereafter find he stole his racial identity to make racial appeals for votes and denigrate critics and opponents as racists,

    - so that election officials such as secretaries of state of the several states can have the facts on which to decide whether Obama is eligible for listing on the ballot. Investigating the facts and analyzing the law on the Indonesian connection will take considerable time. If we wait to investigate, it will be too late.

  • http://flowerbug4u@att.net alice garcia

    pandora get the book call Barack Obama & Larry Sinclair, cocaine, sex, lies and murder. this book was hard to get. I found it on Alamzon.com. this will make your hair stand on ends

  • Albert W. L. Moore, Jr.

    Pull yourself together, Ringer.

    Rubio is not going to be nominated for Vice President, because the eligibility of the Vice President is the same as that of the President.

  • WJ Norris

    Robert,
    I don’t understand why people look at the forest instead of the trees. Right in front of everybody is the proof. On Obama’s long form birth certificate is his father’s race. If you can show me ONE other birth certificate ANYWHERE from that era (the 60′s) that indicate race as African, I’ll give up. But you can’t. In that era, his race would be indicated as Negro or Negroid. Period. Black wasn’t used until the late 70′s, and African wasn’t used until the 80′s. Proof enough to impeach him, but you won’t see it happen. We will just have to vote the damn socialist muslim out of office.

  • Donald Dunnam

    To understand the requirement for President one must understand that the Founders drew upon Vattels Law of Nations. The definition is born on US soil of two Citizen parents. This was admitted to by no less than Obama in SB 511.
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=sr110-511
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=sr110-511
    Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

    Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

  • D. Williams

    Robert, your article misinterprets the situation. The “birther” controversy has not been resolved. While I like Rubio and think he would make a great president or VP, my understanding is that his parents were not US citizens at the time of his US birth. According to historical records and Supreme Court case precedent, I believe the Constitutional requirement for presidents to be a “Natural Born Citizen” requires that BOTH parents be US citizens at the time of the child’s birth.

    What a hypocrite I would be if I only sought to enforce the Constitution on Democrat candidates. McCain was vetted by the Senate as being a natural born citizen, but Obama “never” was (didn’t want to appear racist in any way to the possible first black president I suppose).

    It’s not a partisan issue, it is the law of our land. I hope Rubio does run for VP or Prez, I want this issue to get resolved once and for all at the US Supreme Court where it should have gone back in 2008!

  • James

    In the September 21 & 28, 2009 issue of the American Free Press, page 17, there is a photo of Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate. Mr. Lucas Daniel Smith personally went their and obtained this copy, it took a little bribery, to protect Obama’s presidency copying it was a felony. The lower left corner has a right footprint of Obama. That’s a good way to recognize it in your searches.

  • Chris

    Mr. Ringer and I finally agree on something. Unfortunately, it is his statement that he suffers from a little paranoia.

    I don’t understand why all of these writers bitch and bitch about losing personal freedoms, but not one of their bosses or organizations will file a brief before the Supremes to have the Patriot Act declared unconstitutional. Eighteen thousand + law enforcement agencies in this country are certainly enough.

  • James

    Here’s the requirement: “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
    You will note it says nothing about the citienship of a would-be President’s parents.

  • Patriot

    “the reality is that to this day, no one has seen proof that Obama was born in the United States”

    Really Robert? You’re a delusional moron.

  • skyskiers

    I’m sorry to report that I’m being censored. I guess it’s because of the following information. If you want this info you better copy and paste it to a new file.

    I’VE SENT THIS INFO TO MARCO RUBIO ASKING HIM TO DECLARE HIMSELF A NATIVE BORN CITIZEN; AND TO CALL FOR OBAMA’S IMMEDIATE REMOVAL FROM OFFICE!

    I HAVEN’T HEARD FROM SENATOR RUBIO YET!

    NATURAL BORN, NATIVE BORN OR NATURALIZED – WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE?
    A study of the Constitution, reveals the meanings of ‘natural born’, ‘native born’ and naturalized citizens.

    A NATURAL BORN American is a child of TWO American citizens (BOTH) born on American soil, or an American possession ( see John McCain ) or legally outside the country at the time of the birth. The important thing is that BOTH parents are American citizens.

    A native born American is the child of parents who are here legally, with one or BOTH of them NOT an American citizen at the time (OF HIS/HER BIRTH). If both parents are citizens of another country at the time, then at the age of 18 the child can choose to retain his American citizenship or return to the country of his parents and claim their citizenship. NATIVE BORN ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE A U.S. PRESIDENT!

    A naturalized American is one who has entered the country legally and after meeting all of the necessary prerequisites, has asked for the right to become an American and passed all of the tests that are required. NATURALIZED CITIZENS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO A U.S. PRESIDENT!

    I admire and respect Marco Rubio and I think that he would make a great president; however Marco Rubio has the same problem that Obama has: both of them are not NATURAL BORN CITIZENS! BOTH OF THEM ARE NATIVE BORN CITIZENS.

    Many Americans are confused or are mis-informed about what the presidential requirements are.

    The most critical requirement is this: Any candidate to hold the office of the president of these United States; MUST BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!

    The definition and requirement of a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN is that BOTH of a presidential-applicants parents must have been NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, that means that BOTH of a presidential-applicants parents must have been born on American soil, or American controlled (Military) territory!

    Obama’s father was never a citizen, thus Obama is not eligible to be our president; nor is he legally our president (AT THIS TIME)!

    Marco Rubio’s parents are Naturalized Citizens, thus (to my disappointment) Marco Rubio is not eligible to be our president either.

    The Founding Fathers wanted to make sure that no future presidential-applicant would have DUAL-CITIZENSHIP or DUAL-LOYALTY! Their purpose was to protect all future American governments from being infiltrated by potential enemy-agents; who once they gained access to the presidents power, could then harm America (and the American people) by mis-using that power.

    EXACTLY WHAT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS DOING TODAY!

    Educate yourself by viewing the following links.

    1.) Click on the link to view “Illegal Obama propped up by congress!”

    youtube.com/watch?v=H3aCfR8rmrw

    2.) Click on the link to view “Guaranteed proof that Obama is a Usurper!”

    youtube.com/watch?v=X1DHZmeMXyE&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

    3.) Click on the link to view “SELECTIVE SERVICE NUMBER FILING IS FRAUDULENT!”

    debbieschlussel.com/4428/exclusive-did-next-commander-in-chief-falsify-selective-service-registration-never-actually-register-obamas-draft-registration-raises-serious-questions/

    4.) Click on the link to view “Obama 119 yrs old, The Soc Sec Number FRAUD!”
    youtube.com/watch?v=A9MLPbinBiI&feature=player_embedded

    5.) Click on the link to view “The Mystery of Barack Obama continues.”

    westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/the-mystery-of-barack-obama-continues/

    NOW YOU KNOW THAT THE CONSTITUTION HAS BEEN VIOLATED! ALL PATRIOTS WILL GET ON THE PHONE AND CALL THEIR CONGRESSMAN OR SENATOR AND DEMAND THE RESIGNATION OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, JOE BIDEN, NANCY PELOSI AND HARRY REID. ALL FOUR OF THESE POLITICIANS CONSPIRED TO DEFRAUD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! AND THEY SUCCEEDED!

    The Capitol Switchboard is 202-224-3121. You can contact either Senators or Representatives.

    Keep calling your Congressmen today, toll free numbers include 1-877-851-6437 and 1-866-220-0044, or call toll 1-202-225-3121 AND REGISTER YOUR OUTRAGE and PROTECT YOUR FREEDOM!

    CALL PRESIDENT OBAMA, 202-456-1111 and 202-456-1414 expressing your outrage at this betrayal of Americans.

    DO NOT BE SILENCED – MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD!

    • Tom Anderson

      Dear Skyskiers,

      You seem so informed yet so mixed up. All of your arguments count for nothing.

      Most likely, Obama’s BC is a forgery. But THAT does not matter. What does matter is:

      1) Obama was an long-time agent of the CIA – what the hell do you think he and his mother were doing as guests of the military head of Pakistan? Carpet shopping?

      2) The last business which Obama worked for was simply a CIA “front” company (BIA)

      3) Obama’s mother, maternal grandmother and, probably, maternal grandfather worked closely with the CIA in money laundering (Honolulu bank) and Pakistani and Indonesian issues.

      4) The CIA is LEGAL BOUND to obfuscate the background (BC, military history, Selective Service history, academic history, work history, etc) of all of its agents. The CIA had to lie about Lee Harvey Oswald’s connection to the CIA and it also has to assist Obama in any and every way possible to obfuscate his “roots” – it is demanded by our national security laws!

      So, Obama’s BC is a forgery (probably produced by bunglers at the CIA) and that makes it all PERFECTLY LEGAL!!!

      Get over it! The Military Industrial Complex (MIC) owns and controls our beloved USA. Obama, Cheney, Bush ( Jnr and Snr ), Soros, they ALL are closely connected long-term with the CIA and the Carlyle Group. Get THAT into your head and it will explain everything to you. Obama and Bush are one in the same – peas in a pod – both “company (CIA)” men (or mice).

      Obama’s father was flown on a CIA flight from Kenya to Honolulu to impregnate “Stanley” – the CIA chose him, paid for his flight and expenses and “lubricated” the conception of Obama.

      NEVER has there been a MORE AMERICAN PRODUCT than Obama – his conception, birth, education and immaculation was paid for by the US Govmint – - THAT’s you and me, buddy.

      The USA disregards Ike’s presidential farewell address warning at its own peril – - Obama is the incarnation of that warning! There isn’t any left or right, capitalist or socialist, GOP or DEMO. There is ONLY the MIC and those few citizens who recognize the fascist state that we are already in.

      GOD help us please!

    • James

      Skyskiers, If every senator swore on a stack of bibles that a president’s parents must be citizens of the United States, that does not affect what the Constitution mandates. Courts go by what it says, not what notables may think about it. If there’s doubt about what it means, courts research what the Founders said about it.

  • Shirley

    News Flash! Hawaii is a state in the USA. The official notice of live birth of President has been circulated.

    This is soooooo yesterday!!!

    Let us concentrate on developing more jobs for Americans. Let us encourage our elected representatives to work to support the development of more jobs here in America. Let us support our middle class who has been the work force that has made America great.

    Let us concentrate our energies on positive, productive ideas and stop this nit-picking. The President is part white and ALL American. Get over it!!!

  • Shirley

    TO DONALD
    Thank you for a good laugh! You are correct. This is all ‘much ado about nothing’ of consequence.

  • ron

    Ok enough of Obama How about the tea Party Sweet heart S. Palin or should I say groupie Palin and Glenn Rice. Wow, S. Hannity is about to jump over this.

  • Boyd

    This whole birther nonsense did not need to happen. Unless the bamster actually had something to hide, something he did not want we the people to know. Don’t want your birth certificate public? Not a problem. Summon Reid & McConnell to the Oval Office. Show them the document. They bless off on it. The three of you do a press conference. End of controversy. Unless the bamster ain’t legit. Anybody watch the movie “The Sting”?

  • Dansmith1954

    The correct “spelling” is, natural born Citizen.
    Originally Posted by bluecat6
    Now going beyond just ‘citizenship’ (a common term used by politicians). It is important to remember that the President [must] qualify as a ‘natural born Citizen.’ Note – no hyphen and a capital C, though this version of the actual Article II term is commonly misrepresented.

    (note)The reasons I point out the lack of a hyphen and a capital C are more than just being anal re-tentative about legal wording. Many say that ‘natural born Citizen’ is not defined. I say it is defined as the framers intended. They did not create a formal term and leave it out of the document. ‘Citizen’ IS formally defined – THAT IS WHY IT IS CAPITALIZED. [A proper noun refers to "a specific entity or person," as opposed to "an unspecified member of a class of objects."] Any lawyer or paralegal or anyone who reads lots of contracts knows this. “Citizen” [meant] “a Citizen of one of the States.”

    So what [about] ‘natural born’. Those are merely adjectives [or, rather, that is an adjectival or modifying phrase,] that narrow[s] what type of Citizen can be President. Using modern dictionaries, you can find what the founders intended – easily. ‘Natural’ can also be described as ‘inherent, not acquired; Having a particular character by nature; Not produced or changed artificially; not conditioned’. See here. ‘Born’ can be viewed as ‘from birth’ [or 'by birth' or 'according to birth']. Note ‘from birth’, not ‘at birth’ as often referenced.

    So the definition and intent of the founders is abundantly clear. A ‘natural born Citizen’ is a Citizen who is a citizen only through inherent, standard, non-artificial means and has remained that way since birth.

    (me): There were two classes of “Citizens” at that time.
    State and Federal.
    The word “Citizen” is used 11 times in the VII Articles of Our Constitution. (It is used 2x in the XI Amendment and 1x in The Declaration of Independence)
    The word “citizen” (small cap “c”) begins to appear in the 14th Amendment, Section 1.
    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States. The word “citizen” is used 7x in the XXVII Amendments.
    read: Slaughter House cases (appears just past half way down the page)
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0083_0036_ZO.html
    That its main purpose was to establish the citizenship of the negro can admit of no doubt. The phrase, “subject to its jurisdiction” was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.
    Obama II was born a British subject inherited by his father.
    Obama’s father was never a u.s. citizen.
    Why is the word “THE” spelled “TXE” on the White House released BC. I never get a response from an Obot [or Politician]…LOL

    White House BC
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

    anomolies of BC
    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=322389

  • JanePatriot

    The Natural Born issue is about BLOODLINE, LINEAGE & LOYALTY… to THIS nation! You MUST be born of 2 citizen parents in order to be Natural Born. Obama had one and Rubio didn’t have any at the time of birth. He is a citizen by birth, but not by blood. Same with Bobby Jindal… NONE OF THE THREE ARE ELIGIBLE TO BE POTUS… ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF THIS LAND.

    • RioSam

      Absolutely correct! Spot on!

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  • RoBoTech

    You Rubio boot lickers can whine and cry all you want.
    IF Jindal OR Rubio is chosen for VP, you can COUNT on my voice screaming about their ineligibility.
    I personally like Rubio, but after 4 years of trying to get Obama’s eligibility to be POTUS resolved, I’ll be DAMNED if I will let Rubio’s ineligibility slide to suit my own agenda.
    That would be putting another skidmark on the Constitution.
    Exactly what a lot of you hypocrites are supporting, right here on this blog!
    That grade school mentality of “lil’ Bammy did it too/1st” won’t cut it.
    Either it’s right for all, or it’s wrong for all.
    It’s not rocket science.
    I am ashamed of any so called “conservative” that would call for Rubio to slide.
    The Socialists? I could care less what you moonbats have to say about it.
    But, make no mistake. Whether it puts Obama at risk or not, the Left will scream HYPOCRITES and probably RACIST Hypocrites for the next year. Count on that.
    That is why Rubio won’t accept. And any POTUS nominee that asks Rubio to be the VP, has just lost my, and my family’s, vote. we will sit at home.
    A Constitution Destroyer is bad news, whether it’s a Republican, or a Communist.
    Same difference, so who will care who wins.
    I won’t.
    And don’t think for a second that I am the only one who feels this way. IF it happens, you will see a FIRESTORM. I guarantee it.

  • RoBoTech

    Oh, and before you start with that “no definition has been ruled” crap, and that goes for YOU too, Mr Ringer, maybe you should go research these cases.
    How about five US Supreme Court cases? Here they are: 1814 The Venus, 1856 Scott v. Sanford, 1875 Minor v. Happersett, 1898 US v. Wong Kim Ark, and 1939 Perkins v. Elg. To date, the US Supreme Court has never defined a natural born citizen as being anything less than born in the country to two citizen parents.

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  • riosam77

    Rubio is not a natural born Citizen! Just like Obama is not a natural born citizen and two wrongs do not make a right! I will not vote for a ticket that has a candidate that is not constitutionally eligible PERIOD!

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