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Majority Of Americans: Government Is A Threat

February 4, 2013 by  

Majority Of Americans: Government Is A Threat
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The biggest threat to American freedom, according to a majority of Americans, is not global terror or foreign tyrants, but the Nation’s Federal government.

A recent national survey of 1,502 adults by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press found that 53 percent of Americans think the Federal government poses the biggest threat to their personal rights and freedoms, 43 percent disagree and 4 percent don’t know.

Republicans were most likely to point out the government threat to freedom, with 76 percent in the group reporting feeling threatened by the state. Gun ownership also impacted whether or not the Federal government was viewed as a threat: 62 percent of gun-owning respondents felt threatened, while only 45 percent with no guns agreed.

The number of Democrats who felt threatened was still surprisingly high at 38 percent.

Overall, only 26 percent of those polled said they were confident that government would do the right thing all or most of the time; 73 percent said the government was likely to do the wrong thing in most cases.

Despite feeling threatened, only 19 percent of respondents said they were “angry” at government; a larger number (58 percent) said they were simply “frustrated.” Only 20 percent of those polled expressed feelings of content with the Federal government.

Pew also found that 68 percent of respondents don’t like Congress and just more than half blamed the legislative branch for America’s many problems.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • Harold Olsen

    This country’s worst enemy right now is the Obama regime and both houses of Congress. I’m not so sure I wouldn’t add the Supreme Court to that list either.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Harold again parrots the same old right wing talking point with “O’Bama is the worst enemy”. He and Sam Rolley both talk about how “angry” we are with Congress, but conveniently fail to mention that it’s the Republicans in Congress that the country overwhelmingly blames for the failures of the legislative branch. And it’s convenient and good propaganda to set the GOVERNMENT up as a whipping boy when you actually have several branches, many agencies and bureaucracies, and elected and unelected folks all in the mix. Is anyone feeling “threatened” by their mailman? The air traffic controllers? The guy that inspects your beef? Aren’t they “government”? And won’t they be the babies that get thrown out with the bathwater?

      Of course, if you repeat the lies enough times, the gullible will eventually start to believe them—that’s why a significant minority of “Americans” believe O’Bama is not an American Christian, but is instead a Muslim Kenyan. The Repugnants have spent a lot of money and effort over the past 40+ years not “winning” but trying to destroy the hearts and minds of the nation. Unfortunately, they’re succeeding with some folks—-those who are angry as SOMETHING, don’t really know what it is, and are glad to have someone lead them by the noses. Harold probably feels better after making this comment. Harold needs to think a bit more deeply and figure out why he’s angry and who his real enemy is.

      • TIME

        Dear rbt,

        As per your normal toothless as well feckless post, yet again you display that other than the rabbid case of you’re being overtly illerate as well ignorant of any form of relative value. That is other than rhetoric about D v R, you are in fact little more than a PUFFED RICE CAKE. Full of hot air always hell bent on trying to obfuscate the facts.

        But I will give you this ~ at least you are constiant at being what you are.
        Closed minded as well quite happy to squat within your soiled undies as long as you think you have some case, no matter how indefensible it may be.

        Yet you have the gaul to note others are being “Gullible” if thats not a clear case of ~
        ” the Pot calling the kettle black.”

        Please do keep up these fine post as I get my daily dose of the LMAO Factor from them, so you do have a value, but saddly its of no practical value.

      • Tigerous

        When you ask yourself what are the worst possible decisions our chief executive could make for the country and then look at each of BHO’s initiatives you can see them in action.

      • http://msn True Patriot

        What an Idiot, The Obama Administrations true Advocate, you uphold a Community Organizer who was appointed as a U.S. Senator by a Governor who is at this time in a Federal Prison for selling bribes as well as violating his oath of office, we have a real ringer here, why don’t you continue with the insane comments and continue to lean with this President as a divider, quit blaming the Republicans for the last four years and take some responsibility for the violations of our most sacred document the U.S. Constitution, should war break out in this Nation due to the True Patriot removing this Administration along with its Cronies, I doubt that you would continue to spout off since it is a well known fact that you sir are a liberal Coward. Find a hole to hide in, the very nature of the Second Amendment is to have the option to overthrow a Tyrant, with the use of Executive Orders and not allowing the process to continue as was deemed by our Founding Fathers this current President has violated his oath of office and continues down the slippery slope of Home Grown Revolution, All liberals like to joke about all of the fly over States, if Revolution does come to this soil it will be True Patriots who survive the aftermath that this President has put into motion. Simply put you sir are a True [expletive deleted].

      • Right Brain Thinker

        TIME talks about “toothless” and then goes ranting on and on as if some truth bit him on the behind and it hurt? Hmmmmmm—-not logical—-but logic has never been one of TIME’s strong points.

        Thank you also, TIME, for providing us all with a chuckle—anyone who talks about “literate” in a diatribe that displays a serious lack of same is asking to be laughed at.

        And “squat within your soiled undies”? That goes beyond “illerate” (sic) into the world of
        “rabbid” (sic) mindlessness and displays a lot of “gaul” (sic).

        Please do keep up these “feckless” posts, TIME, as I’m sure you think you’re being such a genius with them and that must help your self-esteem. Look in the dictionary for some more words like “feckless” also—based on your comments to date, I’d be willing to bet that this is the first time you’ve ever used it.

      • JUKEBOX

        The real enemy is the army of unelected bureaucrats who populate the offices of every Senator and Congressman, deeply entrenched for decades, and write laws to favor the lobbyists who wine and dine them.

        • deerinwater

          Jukebox, ~ just hit the nail on the head. ~ It’s called entrenched power and no one is immune to it.

      • TML

        RBT says, “He and Sam Rolley both talk about how “angry” we are with Congress,…”

        Actually, there is nothing in Harold’s comment that implies he is “angry” with Congress, and Sam Rolley’s article actually points out that “only 19 percent of respondents said they were “angry” at government”.

        RBT says, “…but conveniently fail to mention that it’s the Republicans in Congress that the country overwhelmingly blames for the failures of the legislative branch.”

        Completely unsupported assertion. Seems to be more of your left/right paradigm blindness – to condemn the acts of any Republican for no other reason than being Republican, and support the actions of any Democrat for no other reason than being Democrat. The truth is, Congress as a whole, as evident in their approval rating, are blamed for the failures of the legislative branch – both Republican and Democrat alike.

        RBT says, “And it’s convenient and good propaganda to set the GOVERNMENT up as a whipping boy when you actually have several branches, many agencies and bureaucracies, and elected and unelected folks all in the mix.”

        He did mention all three branches, which would encompass the primary agencies and bureaucracies. I hardly think it propaganda to set the government up as a “whipping boy”, since it is historically accurate that government poses the biggest threat to personal rights and freedoms. “Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” – George Washington

      • http://yahoo dave

        you are a prolific writer and remind me of other government writers. you are free to voice your opinions because of all the veterans in this country. and most of us see the government as a big threat and Obama and group as the biggest of all.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        i love the “handles” some folks pick for themselves—-True Patriot, Real American, Warrior, Vigilant, etc. Has anyone noticed that these folks then accept that anyone who agrees with them is entitled to use similar overblown handles and spout equivalent nonsense without question? Has anyone noticed that anyone who disagrees with them cannot possibly be a “True Patriot”, “Warrior”, “Real American” or “Vigilant”, and that there can’t be be any validity to what they say?. Actually, it’s not even a matter of “disagreement”, since the mindless like TP don’t even know what I’m talking about most of the time and therefore have no basis on which to agree or not—they just react from their emotions when their buttons are pushed. And I AM good at pushing their buttons, aren’t I? If they had a sense of humor and understood irony and hypocrisy, that might be more clear to them, and they might “slow down” a bit..

        No, instead they say to themselves, “Aaaaargh! RBT said something!. I’m too dumb or blinded by MR, CB, DB, and CD to even know what he’s talking about, but I’ll just call him names like all the others are doing and say other stupid stuff. Then I’ll beat my chest as if I had ‘won’ the argument”.

        The mindlessness of all that is staggering. I have harped on motivated reasoning, confirmation bias, disconfirmation bias, and cognitive dissonance since I started visiting PLD. This site is a political psychologist’s heaven, with all of that being displayed at a level that I have not seen on any other website of comparable size.

        True Patriot, in all his wisdom, has called me an “idiot” and my comments “insane”, he works himself into a real lather and does some wonderful parroting of the same old endlessly repeated horsepucky we hear from the wing nut right. TP gets so worked up that he is foolish enough to state “….it is a well known fact that you sir are a liberal Coward. Find a hole to hide in….” and finishes his rantings with “Simply put, you, sir, are a True [expletive deleted]“.

        I wonder how TP managed to come to the conclusion that “it is a well known fact that I am a liberal coward”? Any “sources” for that, TP? Simply put, TP is a true parrot of mindless horsepucky from the paranoid depths of the wing nut right, and that’s not name calling, that’s just truth..

      • nabiru

        The same old crap from the Left Brain Stinker.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        TML wants to argue over how “angry” we are with Congress,…”, he relies only on the words in Sam’s short article for “evidence”, and then jumps over to the accusation of “left/right paradigm blindness”, which he has accused me of before with no success.

        Actually TML, there have been polls and surveys by the dozens going back quite a while that speak to the public’s dissatisfaction with Congress, and particularly with the Republican members. The Repugs in Congress have an approval rating less than half that of O’Bama’s when asked about who is trying to move the country “forward” and have come in not much better in relation to the Democrats in Congress.

        There is a reason the GOP has been given the title of THE PARTY OF NO, and the country recognizes that. Why can’t you? Are you suffering from “left/right paradigm blindness”? Do you defend the actions of any Repugnant for no other reason than their being Repugnant, and condemn the actions of any Democrat just because they’re Democrats?

        TML says, “Actually, there is nothing in Harold’s comment that implies he is “angry” with Congress”. No? Perhaps I misinterpreted what Harold said, but when someone talks about “worst enemies”, I tend to think “anger” and Harold holds Congress as much to blame as O’Bama. Harold said, “This country’s worst enemy right now is the Obama regime and both houses of Congress”. Does that not imply “anger”? I’m certainly angry at all of them on both sides of the aisle, although I wouldn’t go as far as Harold.

        “Completely unsupported assertion”, TML says? One should be careful with such talk.

        I won’t call this statement “completely unsupported”, just a willful distortion. “The truth is, Congress as a whole, as evident in their approval rating, are blamed for the failures of the legislative branch – both Republican and Democrat alike” You need to add the proper qualifier to make it a true statement—-”BUT THE VOTERS BLAME THE REPUBLICANS MORE THAN THE DEMOCRATS BY A SIGNIFICANT MARGIN.

        I think that all the talk here that sets the government up as a “whipping boy” is pure and simple propaganda. It is not based on truth, but is designed to misinform and mislead the ignorant—–to brainwash them—-it IS propaganda in its worst form. The “worst enemy” is those who have bought so much of the government, and our only hope is to take the government back from them before it’s too late.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        nabiru says, “The same old crap from the Left Brain Stinker”

        Interpretation:
        “I really don’t understand what RBT is talking about”
        “Even if I did understand, I couldn’t come up with any rebuttal”
        “I don’t like the SOUND of what RBT said, even though I don’t understand it”
        “I’m frustrated by all of that, so I’ll just call RBT names”.

        In other words, “Same old crap from one of the mindless”.

      • TML

        RBT says, “TML wants to argue over how “angry” we are with Congress,…”, he relies on the words in Sam’s short article for “evidence””

        I was simply pointing out that, simply saying that “the Obama regime and Congress are our worst enemies right now”, doesn’t indicate anger. It’s an opinion without giving reason for the opinion. Neither was Sam talking, in the sense of promotion, about how angry we are with Congress since his only mention of it was showing the small percentage that says they are angry. Perhaps it is your admitted anger that led you to read into it what you wanted? It is enough, I suppose, that you acknowledged your statement as a “willful distortion”.

        RBT says, “there have been polls and surveys by the dozens going back quite a while that speak to the public’s dissatisfaction with Congress, and particularly with the Republican members. The Repugs in Congress have an approval rating less than half that of O’Bama’s when asked about who is trying to move the country “forward” and have come in not much better in relation to the Democrats in Congress.”

        I am, however, left wondering why you did not present any of these plentiful polls and surveys then to support the claim. Yet you actually seem to agree with me, saying “The Repugs in Congress have an approval rating less than half that of Obama’s… …and have come in not much better in relation to the Democrats in Congress”.

        Btw, “forward” was even Obama’s logo this election cycle, I would think the polls and surveys – or approval rating in relation to Obama’s (which was not in relation to Democrats in Congress) – based on a question about “who is trying to move the country “forward””, seems skewed with a loaded question that favors a given outcome or result.

        RBT says, “There is a reason the GOP has been given the title of THE PARTY OF NO, and the country recognizes that. Why can’t you?”

        A party being given the title “the party of No” doesn’t really give an indication of whether their approval rating should be low or not, except perhaps to the progressive mind that believes increasingly heavier government legislation and regulation equates to progress, and that the fiscal conservative is simply in the way. I think that to be a one-sided view.

        RBT says, “Are you suffering from “left/right paradigm blindness”? Do you defend the actions of any Repugnant for no other reason than their being Repugnant, and condemn the actions of any Democrat just because they’re Democrats?”

        No, I absolutely do not support (or condemn) the actions of any Republican for no other reason than being Republican, and do not condemn (or support) the actions of any Democrat for no other reason than being Democrat. I judge them equally based on adherence to Constitutional principles and my own values. You are fairly new here, so I will say the evidence of my comment history here should prove that sufficiently.

        That said, my accusation of left/right paradigm blindness is merely an observation; the conviction is in your own words. One of the many examples is; I rarely see you actually say “Republican” but rather, “Repugnant” which denotes the very definition of paradigm that I gave in this context. It’s as immature and blinded of any approval as those who say Ovommit, Obummer, or any number of other variations. It shows the willingness to object to any action they take, for no other reason than being Republican.

        RBT says, “It is not based on truth, but is designed to misinform and mislead the ignorant—–to brainwash them—-it IS propaganda in its worst form. The “worst enemy” is those who have bought so much of the government, and our only hope is to take the government back from them before it’s too late”

        OR perhaps it simply is designed to get people thinking. While I can agree with you that one of our enemies are those who have ‘bought so much of government’ but I must point out that the power to take back the government back from them rests within the government. Such as abolishing the Federal Reserve, which the Obama administration has not even touched, but rather encouraged through raising the debt ceiling to print more fiat currency. (And of course, the party of “No” is standing in the way of that “progress” or effort to move “forward”. Bailing out the bankers and corporation (the enemy) with taxpayer money, yet the Obama Administration and Congress continue to do it, and most self-proclaimed liberals and progressives will only rationalize away these actions. Obama has filled his administration with Wall Street insiders (the enemy). I could go on, but this is what it means when it is said government is our worst enemy right now, because they aid those who even you agree are our true enemies. Taking the government back from them is the battle cry we should all be singing.

        “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered…I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies… The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” – Thomas Jefferson

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Haven’t got time to waste today responding to TML’s fractured logic and “interpretations” of what I said. I guess he’s so used to being a puppet and parrot for others that he thinks it’s appropriate for him to try to make me one of his by putting words in my mouth that I never said.

        I WILL say that I’ve been coming to this site long enough to have seen many of his postings and recognize him for what he is, a motivated reasoner who has convinced himself of the rightness of his views and the power of his intellect. I will leave it to others to waste their time picking apart his lengthy and illogical arguments here.

        So go “crow” now, TML. Shout LOUDLY—–”SEE, SEE!—-RBT CAN’T REBUT MY MINDLESSNESS—-i WIN!” (Congratulations)

      • al

        The politicians in power have successfully drawn the people into a political party fight. Instead of noticing that regardless of which party is in power the Federal Governmen get bigger and more of our Freedoms are lost, we, the citizen, joins the fight and forgets that we must always pay the bill. We are the losers at every turn….

        The Pol in office is the problem… We have way too many bureaucrats in the government making rules to limit our Freedom in every way. Think about it. WE have 22 Million direct Federal Employees. This number does not include all of those contractors and sub contractors. For Each Direct Federal Employee we must have between 5 and 7 people employeed in the private sector to pay the salary and benefits. We have some 106 million working citizens today, and some 23 million people unemployeed.
        Do these numbers concern you at all? Do you think that the Federal Government is way to big and costly? Both Political parties, year after year, grow the government.

        When will the government devour the complete income of the Nation? We are headed to becoming Greece!!
        It is time to set the Debt Ceiling to exactly what taxes are collected, period. This is called a Balanced Budget. The Government cannot spend more than it takes in…….

        Quit fighting about political parties, they are all thieves. They are like diapers, pols should be changed as fast as possible before they start stinking.

    • ibcamn

      The supreme court is a growing threat since Obama has put in his henchmen and plans on adding more to this court and then it will be the fear of the land,not the law!

      • http://wildblue.net derrell

        To make matters worse obama will add two or three more appointments too the supreme court and with his man holder he will run or should I say ruin ever american life,he has already signed a law to give the goverment the right to arrest any body he thinks is a terroist and inprision as long as he thinks necessory

    • Larry K.

      the only thing holding those dirty commies back is our weapons, if we give them up… we are done. i refuse to believe any of them, they are all crooked as a dog’s hind leg and just as rapid as a dog with rabies.

    • Bob

      It is Obama now and the next worst enemy will be whoever is the next president. They all work for the same people not us.

  • Bridgman

    To right brain thinker. I don’t usually comment, however I keep seeing things that you have commented on and quite honestly your comments are usually uninformed or maybe it’s just ignorance. You always insult someone elses post and or their opinion. It’s always the same thing over and over, blah blah blah. .you never have factsto bback up your statements and it’s pretty clear at this point that you obviously have nothing better to do than to troll. Check some facts and you might be able to see and understand that Harold is absolutely correct. Obama is the worst thing that has ever happened to our country. He has managed to divide our country and nothing that he does is good for the country. Fortunately Obama is so out of touch with the Average person that he can’t see that his dividing the country has also made each “divided” section stronger and more determined. Sooner or later people like you will wake up and it will most likely be too late for you to help yourself at that point. In the mean time, if you have something intelligent to say with facts to back it up then go for it as oposed to always bad mouthing someone elses pist. You have a nice day now, you hear?

    • Bill

      Good comments, Bridgman
      RBT is a retired school teacher living off his higher than market pension negotiated by his public sector union. He is part of the problem and just making up stories to protect his unsustainable lifestyle.

      You know what they say, people that do, do, people that can’t do, teach.

      • deerinwater

        Bill says, “RBT is a retired school teacher living off his higher than market pension negotiated by his public sector union”

        I say, You don’t know that. ~ Why attack the middle, the ones that pays taxes when you have a target rich opportunity with the rich and poor that pay little in taxes?

        If RBT is as you say, ~ bring down a big pension (which I serious doubt comes anywhere close to comparing with Gov. Perry’s of Texas pension) then he is paying taxes on it.

        School teachers do not make that much compared to the education level required to hold the position.

        http://www1.salary.com/Public-School-Teacher-Salary.html

        Do you believe that $55 thousand dollars annual salary too much for an educator ?

        A well place snow-cone stand can net that much.

        You are repeating crap that you have heard at your feed trough of ideas and beliefs as the GOP has attempted to attack and defund the DNC via Union constitutions.

        That is what it’s all about Bill. Making enemies out of fellow middle class American’s for your preference in party affiliations.

        That this attempt has failed ~ has not killed the ideas planted in your head. ~~ You still carry them.

        Bill , why suck up to Cross Roads GPS and Corporate greed so? ~ Corporations are not people. Corporations are created to secure wealth and limit liability by deferring responsibility to non-people, to titles and labels that are disposable. They make big buck and pay people to plant these seeds of contempt for fellow Americans that you attempt to plant today.

        A school teacher is a tax paying citizen, a part of the local community a Corporation in Global and a money making machine that really doesn’t care about local matters unless it is “forced too”. If it’s interest is in Sir Lanka, ~ All Americans will help pay for it’s efforts there while any returns debatable and never promised.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Bill says nothing in his comment, except to nod his head in mindless agreement and do his usual name-calling in place of real argument. Thanks to deer for making an intelligent and thoughtful contribution—-too bad that the ignorant WILL NOT address what deer says in any way—-they’re too busy pursuing their mindless talking points, just like Bill.

        higher than market pension
        negotiated by his public sector union.
        RBT is part of the problem (he says that because Bill THINKS I’m a lib-prog, and that’s where the problem comes from, right?—-mindless)
        just making up stories
        protect his unsustainable lifestyle.
        people that do, do, people that can’t do, teach.

        Like I said, absolutely nothing of value there. But since Bill brought it up and deer talked about it a little, let me tell you the “real story” about pensions.

        I live now and worked in Northern VA, in a suburban Washington DC county that is one of the wealthiest in the nation and has one of the largest school systems in the nation outside the cities. VA is a right to work state, and no union negotiated our benefits. The well-educated citizenry wanted good schools and were willing to pay the freight. I retired 20+ years ago, but was making the equivalent of the present day pay scales, which top out at about $85,000 for a classroom teacher and $125,000 for school administrators (which is what I was for 22+ years and sat at the top of that scale for many years before retiring).

        I paid a lot into my pensions (I have three) and my lifestyle is quite “sustainable”, Bill. I’m not rich, but I didn’t go into education expecting to make huge piles of money. How are you doing? I DO know that you couldn’t have done my job for one day, couldn’t have lasted two weeks as a teacher, and appear to be brain-constipated because you seem to be a “can’t do do-do” thinker. (Pardon the insult, but I don’t give anywhere near as many as I get, and mine usually rise well above the level of name calling).

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Bridgman says, “I don’t usually comment, however I keep seeing things that you have commented on and quite honestly your comments are usually uninformed or maybe it’s just ignorance. You always insult someone else’s post and or their opinion”. Lord love a duck!, Bridgman. You have just done all of that and gone one step beyond and insulted ME directly.

      I’m glad that you don’t “comment too often” because we have more than enough motivated reasoners on this site who only want to believe what they already believe and only “listen” to others who agree with them. You’re just one of the crowd here, and the “crowd” is the one who is “always (saying) the same thing over and over, blah blah blah”. That’s why you and the other fools jump on someone who DARES to say something you don’t like. Is there any hope at all for any of you? Will you ever try to THINK rather than just parrot? You say in your comment,

      “Harold is absolutely correct. Obama is the worst thing that has ever happened to our country……nothing that he does is good for the country”.

      “Obama is so out of touch with the Average person that he can’t see that his dividing the country has also made each “divided” section stronger and more determined”.

      “Check some facts….”, “……it’s pretty clear at this point….”—-Bridgman, you need to stop using “facts” and talking about “clarity” until you get someone to teach you what those words mean. I’m trying to do that some here, but of course you won’t listen to me because you don’t WANT to listen to me, since I don’t agree with you, etc..

      You said that I “never have facts to back up my statements”? Lord love a duck, again!
      Those three quotes of yours above are totally fact-free and without backup!—-they’re nothing but mindless opinions, and don’t have even the slightest bit of argumentation to back them up. You don’t have the slightest idea of what is going on here when you accuse me of “always bad mouthing someone else’s post”—–I’m not “bad mouthing” your post here—-I’m telling you that it’s mindless and that you have a long way to go before you understand what it means to comment, debate, offer opinion, argue, support, discuss, or analyze. That’s my OPINION, and I HAVE supported it with some ARGUMENTS that ARE based on observable FACTS.

      And B-man says in closing, “You have a nice day now, you hear?”
      My analysis of that B-man is that B-man thinks he has “put me in my place” with his comment here—–that rates another Lord love a duck!

      • deerinwater

        RBT say, “And B-man says in closing, “You have a nice day now, you hear?”
        My analysis of that B-man is that B-man thinks he has “put me in my place” with his comment here”

        Well, ~ he did! He placed you somewhere far above his reasoning ability. LOL!

        He’s your Jana ~ reach him if you can RBT ~ if nothing else make him actually “Think” before posting his absurd nonsense.

        I’m very impressed with Jana current progress in posting a thoughtful posting. ~

        We kick back the darkness, lighting one candle at a time.

        Have you noticed DaveH is gone? ~ I guess it got too hot in the kitchen for him, ~ I feel sort bad about having to be on him so ~ I liked him. ~ While him and his friends hammered me bad my first year here. There was a pack of 6 of them ~ that showed nothing but total disrespect for all opposition.

        A point of interest, ~ it seems that Pew research center has a clear right leaning bias, ~

        http://now.msn.com/msnbc-more-biased-than-fox-news-according-to-pew-research-center-study

        I Figure as much ~ I wonder where they got these 1502 adults? ~ at a GOP fund raiser?

        Actually I question all polls ~ while this one, there is nothing in this polling results that I find alarming or outside the realm of believable while the link posted ~ dispels notions of solid accountability by Pew Research. They are selling a specif product, tailor fitted for the consumer they call a customer base. ~ and it has little to do with reality!

      • TML

        RBT says, “…because we have more than enough motivated reasoners on this site who only want to believe what they already believe and only “listen” to others who agree with them. You’re just one of the crowd here, and the “crowd” is the one who is “always (saying) the same thing over and over, blah blah blah”. That’s why you and the other fools jump on someone who DARES to say something you don’t like.”

        You would definitely be included in your own conviction. Other than the usual ridicule and personal attacks, the only thing you have argued in this thread is your zeal for Obama when someone dared say a word against him, and your zealous bias against ‘Repugnants’ (as you call them). I find it interestingly hypocritical of you to use the same tactics and thereby guilty of the same things you claim to be fighting against.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        deer,

        You say, “If nothing else, make him actually “Think” before posting his absurd nonsense” That’s all I’m trying to do on PLD most of the time—-a loooooong hard row for us to hoe, getting some folks to think. For some, stating an opinion formed on the basis of unsupported belief is all the “thinking” they want to do.

        You say you’re very impressed with Jana’s current progress in thoughtful posting.?
        I must have missed any “progress”. I’m still reeling from one of the gals saying “People drown, so should we ban water?” (Was that Jana or Steph or Alondra?)

        You ask if I’ve noticed DaveH is gone? I’m not so sure he is—I have been applying my “language usage/sentence structure and word frequency” software to a number of the “Shills-n-Trolls-r-Us” folks’ postings and DaveH may be here under a different name. There were more than one of them using that handle anyway—I used to say “Smart Dave” or “Dumb Dave” to myself when I saw his stuff—it was obvious to the naked eye. It’s going to take a while to gather and refine the data but I see some very interesting patterns emerging. DaveH may be hiding from that analysis (or he’s just on vacation).

        I looked at the link and the Pew msnbc/fox study was not a “poll” but an analysis of the comments made on programs on the two channels by the Pew journaism group, not the pollers. The “1502″ is something else. The study numbers are confusing in that they cite stats from different points in the campaign and there were “swings” in there for both candidates based on the debates and things like the 47% comment. Pew is not biased on the basis of that study—-you can make a small case that msnbc was a bit more biased than fox at certain points. Of course, they didn’t factor in that Romney was making a lot of blunders and DID look bad—-is it bias to report the truth about him being a sorry candidate? And the fact that fox outright lies a lot more than anybody was not factored in either.

        Yeah, all polls do have be looked at closely and cross-checked against other data. There are too many that twist the results to fit their “reality”, particularly those on the right. During the campaign, I used to check a couple of sites that just gathered polling data from many sources, and it was one messy ball of string to try to unravel.

        • deerinwater

          Oh! You arrived late and missed Hallelujah Jana, ~ she actually searches for support for her opinions now ~ sometimes, more often then not ~ We are getting much less, God said so ! ~ It’s been a refreshing change. I hate to attempt to compete with Charles Heston or word spoken from the burning Bush!

          I was wondering if DaveH changed his handle. ~ I can’t see him go cold turkey ~ he loves it here. There was a few times, I thought I reconized his writing style.

          MSNBC news and commentary has a clear bias for certain, but it’s not cloaked and in disguise other then pure “omission” which only Foxed excels at, ~ that, ~ and a collage library of “out take” film footage to use in a moment notice , filmed around the nation that can have palm trees growing in Wisconsin on any occasion. LOL.

          That Foxed started this rock fight of disinformation , the left gets no credit. To ignore it and allow opposition to paint and label you is not an option that the left can afford. So ~ a rock fight it is. ~ Not a big watcher of TV myself~ but most Americans are. ~ When I do ~ I surf, especially of it’s a heated topic. I like to know what they are all saying.

          Seems the less that I watch , the more informed I actually become. ~ To surf the net for the News, you are usually 1 to 3 days a head of TV on hard news regardless of your preference and affiliations.

          TV more or less offers anyone a glimmering view of the reaction to the News and current events or at least that’s the way that I have comes to view it. Having read about it days prior and done a few searches to fill in a backdrop. ~ Good browsers skills and the search for what is missing is something I hope that all posters here acquire if they don’t have them already.

          It’s a learning curve and we are all at various levels in this search for hard data. It not that easy to find. ~ so many opinions cloud the search.

          Quote , “Pew also found that 68 percent of respondents don’t like Congress and just more than half blamed the legislative branch for America’s many problems.”

          Three days ago ~~ a 1000 people survey “A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 64% give the nation’s legislators poor marks. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

          http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_performance

    • Michael

      Amen,I couldn’t have said it better my self,you did right and you did GREAT.

  • patriot

    I agree wholeheartedly with Harold. Right brain thinker is a typical example of the sheeples who have drunk the koolade. The handwriting is on the wall….history is replete with the duplicitous promises of similar governmental elitist regimes that have led the people into ruinous destinies. Why is it that people are so prone to repeating what has been proved to be nothing more than an illusion in the past? I know the answer to that but many do not. The greatness of this country has been borne on the belief that we are free men, given our freedom because of inalienable rights from God; this belief being thrown on the ash heap of disdain and substituted with a diabolical philosophy that Big Government knows what is best for you and will take care of you. All of this is occurring because we have an electorate that is uninformed, misinformed, and fearfully afraid of the truth—-not wanting to stare reality in the eye and not even recognizing it if it bit them on the nose. God help us all.

  • ibcamn

    good point RBT,it is true that when Obama and his henchmen repeat the lies over and over,the people(liberal,leftist,Obama supporters)will think it’s true!it is sad but it is true.yes people need laws and regulations,if not,those people bent on harm would run rampant!but for the regime to run rampant and cause trouble is not the right thing for any party,but it does(has) happened,Obama is not the first nor will he be the last,but he is by far,to date,the worst president(ever)and in the form of redness left leaning,he wins hands down for the amount of lies he tells the American people and how he has treated them and the country and the worst offense is him and his wife(sorry,lil vomit in my throat)for remarks to the people and the flag,when the mrs’s said “all this for a flag”and him agreeing,over how Americans feel about their country!those two are the worst and biggest threat to this country!the henchmen being second——–!

    • alpha-lemming

      By “henchmen”… I hope you’re including the MSM…long ago abandoning their role as the 4th branch watchdog. No longer content with taking sides or cheerleading, they’re willful propagandists who lead/slant stories to fit their politics (OWS..drugs, chaos, rape, group=good… Tea Party…order, lawful, Constitution, the individual=bad) and if the news is too damning… just bury the story (NBP, Sandy relief, Benghazi, F&F etcetcetc). All under the guise of neutrality and objectivity of course. As proof.. I’ll cite the above poll showing ~2/3 of the population blaming Congress (which I believe… Dems WILL blame Republicans period.. and Republicans will blame Republicans too… the RINO variety) for the nations’ woes. The budget EXPLODED in ’06…. Commucrat control…. no budgets passed in now approaching 4yrs…. Commucrat blokage…. and the reason we’re going bankrupt??? Chairman ObaMao and the MSM tell us Right-wing extremists (aka.. anybody to the right of Che). Doin’ a pretty good job don’t you think??

      • deerinwater

        alpha-lemming says, “The budget EXPLODED in ’06…. Commucrat control…”

        While the spending started long before that! We can thank the GOP lead 107th Congress for what the 108th walked into.

        Major legislation of the 107th Congress

        June 7, 2001: Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act, Pub.L. 107–16, 115 Stat. 38 ( but who grew? ~ corporate America and wall street and top 5%)

        October 26, 2001: Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (“USA PATRIOT”) Act, Pub.L. 107–56, 115 Stat. 272 ( Yea?)

        January 8, 2002: No Child Left Behind Act, Pub.L. 107–110, 115 Stat. 1425 ( I feel better already!)

        January 11, 2002: Small Business Liability Relief and Brownfields Revitalization Act, Pub.L. 107–118, 115 Stat. 2356 ( I guess it worked?)

        March 9, 2002: Job Creation and Worker Assistance Act, Pub.L. 107–147, 116 Stat. 21 ( if it worked, I guess we are more fortunate than we know)

        March 27, 2002: Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act (McCain-Feingold), Pub.L. 107–155, 116 Stat. 81 ( clearly a failure)

        May 13, 2002: Farm Security and Rural Investment Act of 2002, Pub.L. 107–171, 116 Stat. 134 ( Corn Gas!, aren’t we the lucky duck?)

        July 30, 2002: Sarbanes-Oxley Act, Pub.L. 107–204, 116 Stat. 745 (??) “The Sarbanes–Oxley Act of 2002 (Pub.L. 107–204, 116 Stat. 745, enacted July 30, 2002), also known as the ‘Public Company Accounting Reform and Investor Protection Act’ (in the Senate) and ‘Corporate and Auditing Accountability and Responsibility Act’ (in the House) and more commonly called Sarbanes–Oxley, Sarbox or SOX, is a United States federal law that set new or enhanced standards for all U.S. public company boards, management and public accounting firms” ~ ( One word, Enron )

        August 6, 2002: Trade Act of 2002, Pub.L. 107–210, 116 Stat. 933 ( Go Walmart!)

        October 16, 2002: Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq, Pub.L. 107–243, 116 Stat. 1497 ( all spending off the books with 900 thousand Coalition forces now dead)

        October 21, 2002: Sudan Peace Act, Pub.L. 107–245, 116 Stat. 1504 ( if you insist)

        October 29, 2002: Help America Vote Act, Pub.L. 107–252, 116 Stat. 1666 ( the GOP is attempting to reverse this idea now, ~ one of their few plans that actually worked)

        November 25, 2002: Homeland Security Act, Pub.L. 107–296, 116 Stat. 2135 ( Yippee!,big brother just got bigger)

        December 17, 2002: E-Government Act of 2002, Pub.L. 107–347, 116 Stat. 2899 ( paperless ~ save a tree ~ a cyber dress down, show me what you got and bend over)

      • alpha-lemming

        I agree. They’re all good points….. AND the reason RINOs (when the choice is between an immitation Socialist and the real deal…the actual article will win evey tome) got kicked out in ’06……AND they all pale in comparison to the 6-7 trillion additional ObaMao/1 party DC rule debt accrued over the last 50 months.

      • deerinwater

        Hmm? ~ well Sir ~ part of that spending you refer to is the protracted 7 Trillion that was commission , approved of , ~ yet not funded by 107th Congress and 43′s administration.

        The 7 Trillion included survivor benefits and protracted VA spending ~ plus what has already been spent on two unnecessary wars that could have been addressed differently.

        While I too, enjoy the notion that maybe we (Americans) can kill all of the worlds “bad guys”, down deep I know that this is impossible. ~ as this “killing” only creates “vacuum” where 6 bad guys might rush in to take his place.

        Please tell me that this is not so? That I am making it all up! ~ for I do not believe that I am.

      • alpha-lemming

        On that point you are right……. I’ve often likened the “War on Terror” to carpet-bombing a swamp…. or if I can appeal to your inner carnie… a big game of “Whack-a-mole”. They’ll spring up else where in either scenerio. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keep trying…. just conventional methods (aka… do we really need a trillion dollar stealth bomber fleet to deter sand-monkeys with pack-packs??) don’t work on this enemy and we’ll need more covert, infiltration, and psy-ops type battle plans.

  • Dr Richard Wright Hogeland

    The original immigrants to America
    Suffered all sorts of depravities in order to win their Freedom and Liberty – it was a long and hard – difficult struggle the Quakers had their ears cut off – they were whipped from town to town out of the particular area -Massachusetts. Bay – Plymouth – Connecticut – New Haven – Rhode Island – Maryland – Virginia – they continued to come back time after time – they were put to death – they kept on coming – the Baptist were also prosecuted – and lost their lives – their ears – were whipped – they combated Theocracy with their very lives -
    The entire community and the business elements ignored the Kings Laws – especially the hated Navigation Acts – statism – communism – wage and price control – subsidized production – mercantilism in every form – monopolies -
    The fighters were always in the minority – but because of their sacrifices – diligence – persistence and determination – they eventually won –
    What are we all doing – talking – and some of us are making money – out of the chaos – i.e. selling opportunities in the form of reports on everything – fear – opportunity – hunches – guesses –
    Lets advocate action instead of words – lets advocate civil unrest – lets advocate throwing spanners into planned activities of government – lets quietly resist – i.e., it would take Obama Care 50 years to be implement – if at all – if everyone against it did not comply –
    The attempt to control guns and destroy the 2nd amendment – gun owners just don’t register their guns – period – businesses start underground gun businesses – taxes are avoided – not only avoided but evaded – individuals don’t file income tax forms – if they do file – they do everything to confuse the government – we overload government machinery – with piles of useless information – the states commence to put up obstacles – by refusing to comply – take their resistance to the brink –
    Everyone that loves their Freedom and Liberty should practice civil disobedience and disturbance –
    People should immediately commence to put themselves on the line for the Freedom and Liberty which they constantly speak about – words are cheap!

    • http://msn True Patriot

      Dr. Richard Wright Hogeland,
      You Sir are a True American and Patriot, it was words and True Actions that bring real change. Thank you for your Reply, it has given me courage and knowledge that there are True Patriots who grasp the original vision of our Founding Fathers, this has been a true and rare delight to read your comments.
      Keep up the comments, and may God Bless all your pursuits.
      True Patriot in Cincinnati Ohio

    • George McClellan

      The following is a direct quote made by a campus radical at the University of Berkley in 1964 during the “Free Speech Movement”. I was there as a Police Officer. It says everything then that needs to be said now:

      The operation of the machine speech by Mario Savio, UC Berkeley, Dec. 2, 1964

      “There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part; you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop. And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!”

    • Hedgehog

      Congratulations Dr Richard Wright Hogeland! Finally, an American who gets it! Civil disobedience, passive resistance, and don’t forget the ultimate weapon MALICIOUS OBEDIENCE! This is a hard concept for many to grasp, but very effective. If authority passes a law or gives you an order, obey it, in the most disruptive and malicious manner you can imagine. An example is: the local authority orders everyone to come to the clinic for flu shots. Get on the phone or internet to everyone you know and all arrive at once, armed, truculent, abusive, you get the picture, but you have obeyed the order to assemble! You don’t have to accept the flu shots. Another example: authority orders you to turn in your guns. Warn your neighbors, warn your friends, congregate in small groups to make them split their forces, give them your guns and ammo, one bullet at a time, from ambush! Never openly confront a superior force! I think you get the picture. Sorry I can’t join you, but I’m a Canadian. We’ve been using malicious obedience for years.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Hedge,

        Since you’re a Canadian, may I politely suggest you mind your own business and foment rebellion up there. We have enough craziness down here already without you chipping in.

        And watch out. As I said somewhere else, after a few decades of AGW, we WILL be annexing Canada and you want to be on our “good” side when that happens.

  • deerinwater

    Sam say , “The number of Democrats who felt threatened was still surprisingly high at 38 percent.
    Overall, only 26 percent of those polled said they were confident that government would do the right thing all or most of the time; 73 percent said the government was likely to do the wrong thing in most cases.”

    I say, ~ Well , if you stop to think back, 911 was more then just awful but the way our government reacted to it ~ was even worse! ~ It is the reactions to life that determines the quality of it. We had compromised out liberties for security ~ Fair trade off? Why knows for certain? ~ I figure that we paid more then was necessary. Spent more then was necessary, compromised more then was necessary, wasted more then was necessary.

    What could have been done differently? I truly believe that question worthy long consideration. Why would Americans democrat or republicans not fear their Government?

    And for Sam to be surprised with 36% of Democrats feeling threaten today, ~ tell us more about Sam then Democrats. ~

    The reaction to 911 with two unfunded wars to applause and flag waving of the Right Wing Christian Collision, tax breaks for everybody and now this NEW and IMPROVED spin-off called the Tea Party movement, cut from the very same cloth, why would a Democrat “not be” apprehensive of government today?

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Fifteen replies so far to this article as I write this comment, and deer is the only one that has displayed much thinking ability. All the others are just members of the circular firing squad, standing around in their usual circle and shooting at the “target” in the middle—-today it’s me, on other threads on other days it will be whoever confronts their mindlessness with reasoned argument and says anything other than what they WANT to believe.

      I’m busy living real life today, but I will try to get back and reply to some of the fifteen commenters by tomorrow. This thread has taken such a turn towards the babbling parrots of the circular firing squad that I don’t think I’ll even look beyond the first few comments. One’s IQ is endangered if one spends too much time on the threads that are taken over by the mindless.

      Deer makes a point that the “government” IS doing some things that ALL of us should fear. I agree with that. If any of the mindless could really read, they would have seen that was one of the points I was making, perhaps too subtly for those who have big “buttons” that they push themselves because they like to froth at the mouth and put on a “show” for their fellow mindless. O’Bama is at fault for following the lead of the Bush administration on too many things but that hardly makes him the “worst enemy”—-the system is our “worst enemy”, and the plutocrats and the corporate oligarchy have been buying the system for the past 40+ years. Until we deal with that, it doesn’t matter who’d sitting in the POTUS seat.

      • http://yahoo dave

        Dear right brain thinker, I for one am tired of your rhetoric and wish you would find a forum where they might appreciate your sland views. just 1 vets opinion.

        • deerinwater

          dave? ~ The Love Boat sails out of Coa Coa Beach Florida. This is Mr. Livingston’s “Personal Liberties Digest” and we share opinions and attempt to support them here. Being “popular” is not a requirement ~ but to seek meaningful and robust debate that might stimulate the mind and galvanize ideas. ~ If you can’t get pass RBT or me, ~ how are you to convince anyone else with your ideas? ~ or do you feel that there is no need too? I would say that there is a real “need” for you to sell your ideas., judging from recent election results.

          “Comment Policy: We encourage an open discussion with a wide range of viewpoints, even extreme ones, but we will not tolerate racism, profanity or slanderous comments toward the author(s) or comment participants. Make your case passionately, but civilly. Please don’t stoop to name calling. We use filters for spam protection. If your comment does not appear, it is likely because it violates the above policy or contains links or language typical of spam. We reserve the right to remove comments at our discretion.”

          We are all equally subjected to our tolerant “host” guidelines, while no one here has invited you to leave but rather you make a statement and offer some support for it.

          I’m here to kick your sand castle down, ~ now ~ what are you going to do about it?

          I believe it unwise too believe everything that you hear, especially if it’s what you want to hear. It put Willard Romney in the White House before there was an election, did it not?

      • Bob666

        Yo RBT,
        Me thinks that you are having way to much fun here.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Gee dave, I am truly sorry that you are “tired” of my rhetoric. I try hard to say thoughtful and meaningful things, but I guess you prefer mindlessly parroted horsepucky instead of that. May I suggest that you don’t read what I say if it “tires” you?

        And may I assume that by “sland” you meant “slanted”? I would really like to hear your definition of “slanted”, Dave. We see an awful lot of OPINION on this site, and some of it is so far “slanted”, it falls over while you read it. There’s a difference between having a POSITION on something, (that you can support and argue), and a “slant”.

        Thanks for the invite to leave, but I think PLD needs me a lot more than those sites where everyone would agree with me. They’re no fun anyway—-the people on those sites are literate, rational, and know how to argue and debate. And they don’t call names. PLD is like Tombstone AZ except that the “gunfighters” fight with their mouths—-think I’ll stick around. Just another vet’s opinion—Semper Fi

    • Bob666

      Yo Deer,
      Ever felli like your talking to a brick wall?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Yo Bob,
        “Me thinks that you are having way too much fun here”

        Yes and no. Like deer, I am often beating my head against a brick wall. And that hurts after a while. The folks on this site are VERY different from those I dealt with in the schools.

        It’s more fascination than real fun. There’s no real fun in fighting a battle of wits with the half-armed, as the saying goes. If they even tried to listen and did something more than name calling and mindless parroting in response, it would be way more fun..

        • Bob666

          Yo RBT,
          There is no doubt, an altered state of reality on this site.

        • deerinwater

          Bob ask ” Yo Deer, Ever feel like your talking to a brick wall?”

          NO! ~ not at all ~ I’m very encouraged with kicking back the darkness, ~ one candle at a time.

          I don’t give up ~ while I am a very reasonable man and my love for the best in my fellowman unwavering. ~ The high bar ~is where my eyes focus.

  • ibcamn

    Hey guess what?Obama has authorized the use of a drone over the man that has the little boy in the bunker,bet you Obama is sitting back saying thanks to the American people for letting him drag out the toys and be able to use them on us and not the enemy,oh wait,we are his enemy!watch his erection droop if they only dispatch a small unmanned drone!ha ha ha ha,that’s my evil laugh…….

    • Right Brain Thinker

      ib is telling jokes this morning. Good one, ib! Anyone who thinks the president of the United States is in any way involved with “authorizing” the use of a “drone” in some backwoods situation has got to be putting us on.

      And there are lots of “drones” available to the police and public—-you can stick a camera on an R/C plane and have one of your very own in no time at all—-cheap too, under $1000. No need to go looking for a big-bucks one from the GOVERNMENT. LOL

  • AZcowgirl

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=R3nXvScRazg&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DR3nXvScRazg%26feature%3Dyoutu.be

    KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov’s warning to America…29 years ago…!!! 1984

    This was very enlightening and will give us all some insights into what is happening today
    and why there is such a divide…If you were to hear a false premise again and again, until you yourself began to believe and repeat it this would interfere with your own sense of intelligence, and you would begin to attract evidence of your lack of intelligence…in effect proving the false premise to be true. And so, it becomes increasingly hard for you to call this a “false” premise when the evidence seems to be telling you that it is true, for over time you come to believe it is true.

  • Motov

    What can you expect from a “government” that has a fraud in the white house?
    The Fed, which prints up monopoly money that vanishes into some bank account that doesn’t exist on US soil, A congress with no guts to stop an illegal president who is actively destroying our nation.

  • An Old Seabee

    The biggest threat/terrorist to our nation is the population on capitol hill starting with the POTUS …..NO MATTER WHO SITS ON THE THRONE…… BUY MORE GUNS!

    • deerinwater

      Why buy?

    • deerinwater

      John Brown had no interest in buying guns while his demise would be little different if he had.

  • Wayne Robinson

    aLONG WITH OBUMA, WE NEED A NEW CONGRESS AND SUPREME COURT, AND WE DEFINITELY NEED TO GET THE HELL OUT OF THE UN.

  • callit

    Whenever a group of people that have the ability to control the majority, that have certain parameters (Bill of rights, The constitution) to work under,then over time set up their own country within and use their powers to break all sworn duties at any time they want,rewriting the established parameters and laws to suit only themselves, why in heavens name would these greedy,power hungry thieves want to change this system. They have the power to raise their own pay,to take any bribe from any lobbyist (mostly retired,voted out of office senators,house members with knowledge of inner workings and skeletons)to cater to the rich,to write into EVERY new expeniture that is supposed to benifit the governed all their own wants hidden in the wording constantly robbing from the very people they have sworn to protect.
    This constant debating between the majority of Americans a to an democrat is better than a republican,the president in to blame,why oh why cannot all of us realize without any one of these entities they could be controlled,however while we bebate our prediciment as to placing the blame
    on whomever,they are laughing all the way to the bank by selling America,and never forget this government and ONLY the government is to blame for our downfall.

  • Michael

    I am the 2ed generation here in the USA.My family came here years ago to get out of a country that’s jest like what’s happing here now.If you people don’t wake up soon it my be too late.They had no freedem and no weapens to protect them selves and their freedom.People were kild who disagreed with their Regime.Please people quiet BS one another and come together open your eyes and mind,don’t let your freedom slip through your fingers like it did in ours.This country was founded in Gods name,let’s hold on, NEVER let go of your Constiution.God bless all of you.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Sam: The biggest threat to American freedom, according to a majority of Americans, is not global terror or foreign tyrants, but the Nation’s Federal government.

    For sure! Americans see their leaders in Washington as overpaid agents of wealthy individuals and corporations who are largely disconnected from the concerns of average Americans. Americans were asked why they are so constantly frustrated with the men and women charged with representing them. Their responses were striking, though their frustration is not new. Seven in ten said people like them have little say in what their government does; eight in ten said most members of Congress are primarily interested in serving special interests, not the people they ostensibly represent.

    Two in three – including nearly half of Republicans – say the rich benefit most from the federal government’s policies. More than seven in ten say special interest groups and large corporations have too much influence on American life. Nearly the same percentage says the salaries and benefits of most members of Congress are too high.
    It adds up to the fact that most Americans feel alienated from their political leaders and dissatisfied or angry with Washington.

    News polls over the last two decades suggest that the American people have long been frustrated with their leaders, though their sense of alienation has ticked up in recent years. And the consistency of their outlook arguably only makes the situation more dispiriting. Instead of a spike in frustration grounded from a specific event(s),
    Americans have settled into a sustained aversion to their own government.

    The poll found that just 13 percent of Americans feel representatives in Congress are primarily interested in serving the people they represent, while 80 percent believe members are primarily interested in serving special interest groups. While that perception is longstanding, it has worsened since 1990, when 20 percent said members seek to serve their constituents and 71 percent said they seek to serve special interests.

    Similarly, Americans have long felt they have little say in government. But the trends are troubling: While 58 percent said they have little say in what government does in 1990, that figure has risen to 69 percent today. In the new survey, 85 percent say that people like them had too little influence on American life.

    Whose voice do Americans believe is being heard in Washington? That of large corporations and special interest groups. Seventy-five percent said the former has too much influence, and seventy-one percent said the latter did. By contrast, just 36 percent said labor unions had too much influence, while 30 percent said unions have too little influence.

    Perhaps the most striking poll finding is that a wide swath of Americans sees the rich – not the middle class or poor – as benefiting most from federal government policies. Sixty-six percent said the rich benefit most, and it wasn’t just Democrats: 67 percent of independents, 44 percent of Republicans and 43 percent of Tea Partiers said as much.
    By contrast, just 12 percent said the poor benefit most – including just 30 percent of Republicans and 26 percent of Tea Partiers. And only four percent said the middle class gets the most from the federal government.

    The explanation for Americans’ alienation from their elected leaders is not simple. But these findings suggest that much of their frustration is driven in large part by the role that money plays in the political process.

    One could say that the marriage between the people and her Government is on the “rocks”. Perhaps the Government should be likened to a “wayward-wife”, a “harlot”, who offers her effections to the highest bidder! No marriage can survive a wife who no longer observes her “covenant-relationship”, and neither can a people and her Government survive a marriage if their Government plays the “harlot”! The fear stems from the fact that a “partner” no longer recognizes the other, and has no way of knowing what to expect…estrangement breeds uncertainty, uncertainty breeds fear, and fear spawns hatred!

    • Motov

      Government is acting more like a spoiled rotten child who demands us to pay for its destructive ways, Then threatens us if it doesn’t get its way. It needs its heavily soiled diapers changed, a trip to the woodshed for a good paddling on its backside, mouth washed out from filthy lies, and given a list of do’s and don’ts.

      • deerinwater

        Hmm? I haven’t really noticed that Motov, ~ I guess that it depends on when you tuned in and started to paying attention to what is happening.

        It’s true that we had 8 years of a “runaway administration” but if you think that we can round up our stock and hitch up our team to where they can really “pull” in 4 years after an *8 year stampede ~ I’m not sure that I can offer you any encouragement that will make you “feel any better”.

        We can’t undo 8 years ~ it’s done! accept the best it offers and move on.

        The administration of 43 and it’s meddling has allowed the Genie out of the bottle. ~ a genie that had been contained, keeping the Arab world in the stone age. ~

        But the Genie is loose now ~ and that is okay. ~ The Arab people are in a position to determine their future. ~ whatever that might mean to them.

        Are they to waste this opportunity to come into the 21 Century and join the rest of the worlds peoples , an opportunity that George W. Bush provided for them with his lies and false pretense?

        We will see, ~ I’ve got maybe 20 years to see it succeed or fail and really not in a huge hurry. ~ Just get it done, ~ before I die ~~ i’d like to leave this world knowing ~something.

        • Motov

          You missed the mark completely BOTH sides Republican and Democrats are the enemies, in my mind they are on opposites of the same coin!
          If George Bush never took office, we would still be in the same spot. George Bush only picked up where Bill Clinton left off and so did our current crook in office.
          You don’t get it do you? They aren’t listening to people,…. period. They are taking orders from their masters hidden behind their massive wealth, quietly pulling the puppet strings we call politicians. OhBozo has lied to us since day one, The Shrub has lied to us since day one, The Twin twits Bill & Hillary lied to us since day one, The elder shrub has lied to us since day one!(Except when he spoke and said welcome to the NEW WORLD ORDER)
          And we have been going down hill much faster since! Us “extreme-ists who WANT OUR CONSTITUTION BACK have been trying to re-educate you people that our government is too big to sustain itself, It will crumble it will crash, it will make a huge mess, and we won’t have anything left to salvage, unless we immediately stop its insanity!

          • deerinwater

            I don’t know Motov, ~ 12 years of fight in a cat box over Kitty Litter and 7 Trillion dollar expenditure is a hickey on the end of our nose, it should keep us from leaving the house for a few days.

          • Bob666

            Yo Deer,
            Very well stated.

  • pissed of & liberal

    The biggest threat to America is not the executive branch the legislative branch the president the congress or the senate they are merley the infected. the sickness the root of all the nations woes is modern capitilism. this is not the same capitilism thatwas promised to peasents during the french revolution this is a cancer that has raped the earth and people. this insidious system treats basic human needs like food and shelter as comadities to be bought and sold. this corrupt ideaology oenly promotes humabitys darkest traits greed,enslavment,explotation as dares to say they are natural. this twisted phylosophy blatenly encourages peopleto place themselves ahead of ther town if not ther countrey! to hoarde ther resources and let the masses suffer! capitilism is a virus that cannot be CURED only REMOVED and if it is not removed in time then my friends capitilism will DESTROY AMERICA then the WORLD!

    • Right Brain Thinker

      WHOA! PO&L has gotten it right!

      Would anyone want to venture a guess as to what names he/she will soon be called by the mindless? You know, those fools posting on PLD who have let the plutocracy and the corporate oligarchy (the “capitalists”) take over their brains and use them as their zombie army?

      I will call PO&L some names too—-True Patriot, Real American, Warrior, Vigilant—–but wait, haven’t those names been taken by some people who will soon call PO&L nasty names? It’s all so confusing.

  • RT

    Have you seen this? WOW! She is on our side
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2138468100001/

    • Right Brain Thinker

      And why is it more significant that this person is “on our side” as compared to anybody else? She isn’t a “judge”, never was a “judge”, and is P.O.’d because she was outed as a gun owner. Maybe she’s looking for publicity so that she can get back on TV? (her show was cancelled, wasn’t it?).

  • http://yahoo.com shade101

    Does this President and Congress actually think that the U.S. Military will kill their own Mothers and Fathers, Cousins, Sisters and Brothers, Sons and Daughters, Friends and Drinking Buddies, the Gas Station guy who checks his oil, the Grocery kid who fills his bags, the Teacher, the Priest, the Reverend, do I really need to go on? As a former Combat Vet that took the same Oath that the President and Congress took, to defend the Constitution of the U.S., I can tell you I sure as hell wouldn’t nor will I, nor will our brave Soldiers! Oh yes there may be a few idiots, but for the most part, D.C. has met its match and better dig their bunkers deeper!

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