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Loving Our Enemies

January 9, 2012 by  

Loving Our Enemies

“We’re under attack because we love freedom, is why we’re under attack. And our enemy hates freedom. They hate and we love. We differ from our enemy because we love. We not only love our freedoms and love our values, we love life itself. Our enemy hates innocent life.” — George W. Bush, addressing schoolchildren, Sept. 23, 2002

Any discussion of Ron Paul as a GOP Presidential candidate inevitably begets rants from the paranoids about how Paul’s non-interventionist foreign policy would make America vulnerable to attacks from Iran or Islamic extremists from one Muslim nation or another.

Typical of the responses are irrational, fact-devoid screeds like these, taken from our comments section last week:

  • “Ron Paul is truly a loose cannon , short sighted and ignorant of world relations . On one hand he is correct , we should worry about America . On the other , we MUST worry about the spread of nuclear weapons in the hands of a militant regime who has no compunctions about using them in order to advance their agenda . If this half senile old fool thinks for one instance that Iran would be justified in closing down the Straights to prevent sanctions he should not be seeking the Presidency . Those who defend him should stop and think what it would mean to listen to him an sit back ignoring this bunch of crazed Iranian leaders as they lead us to a war no one will survive . You Have Been Warned !”
  • “Screw Ron Paul and Screw Iran. A vote for Paul will just Make it easier for the A-hole to get back in and finish his job of destroying the economy. As for Iran, they need to be taken out, NOW! They are a pus filled infection on this planet.”
  • “Is Ron Paul a Jimmy Carter replica? He needs to be sent off and released on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border. As a life long registered Republican, I will vote for Obama if Ron Paul win the Republican nomination. Puttin would make for a better President than Ron.
    Ron is a total loser, a Bolshevik !!!!! How low has the Republican party gone, to have him a a presidential candidate. Disgraceful”

The truth is the U.S. policy of the past 50-plus years of meddling in the affairs of other countries by covertly backing coups, propping up friendly dictators and fighting proxy wars with Russia and China — using billions of dollars stolen from the American people — have only made the world a more dangerous place. Sadly, not more than three in 10 people seem to understand this. They’ve swallowed the lie that America’s overseas adventures are not empire building, they are simply making the world safe for democracy. They live in a state of confusion and cognitive dissonance.

What the U.S. and its European allies have sought is hegemony over the entire Mideast, not to establish democracy, but to control the oil and other resources there to the benefit of a few fascist elites.

In doing so, they have stolen our wealth; trampled our liberties; killed, maimed and left millions of people homeless; dropped bombs that destroyed infrastructure; installed and financed dictators who enslaved their populaces; and created hatred of America around the globe. And they have developed a majority U.S. population that is eager and anxious to attack and kill anyone who expresses displeasure with U.S. actions — even U.S. citizens — whether abroad or in country, and a Congress and a President that believe such a thing is acceptable.

If you buy the official government line about the 9/11 attacks — that Osama bin Laden encouraged 19 cave dwellers to come to America and learn to fly airliners so they could commandeer them and fly them into two New York skyscrapers, the Pentagon and some other undetermined building in Washington, D.C. — then logic suggests you must also accept the reason bin Laden gave for orchestrating the attacks.

In a 1996 interview with The Independent’s Robert Fisk — 10 days after a truck bomb had torn down part of the U.S. Air Force complex at al-Khobar in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 19 American soldiers — bin Laden explained why he was taking the fight to America.

Not long ago, I gave advice to the Americans to withdraw their troops from Saudi Arabia. Now let us give some advice to the governments of Britain and France to take their troops out — because what happened in Riyadh and al-Khobar showed that the people who did this have a deep understanding in choosing their targets. They hit their main enemy, which is the Americans… This doesn’t mean declaring war against the West and Western people — but against the American regime which is against every American… The explosion in al-Khobar did not come as a direct reaction to the American occupation, but as a result of American behaviour against Muslims, its support of Jews in Palestine and of the massacres of Muslims in Palestine and Lebanon — of Sabra and Chatila and Qana — and of the Sharm el-Sheikh conference… When the American troops entered Saudi Arabia, the land of the two Holy places, there was a strong protest from the ulema and from students of sharia law all over the country against the interference of American troops. This big mistake by the Saudi regime of inviting the American troops revealed their deception. They were giving their support to nations which were fighting against Muslims.

Bin Laden went on to say, “We as Muslims have a strong feeling that binds us together… We feel for our brothers in Palestine and Lebanon… When 60 Jews are killed inside Palestine” — he was talking about Palestinian suicide bombings in Israel — “all the world gathers within seven days to criticize this action, while the deaths of 600,000 Iraqi children did not receive the same reaction.” Fisk writes that this was bin Laden’s first reference to Iraq and to the U.N. sanctions that were to result, according to U.N. officials themselves, in the death of more than half a million children. “Killing those Iraqi children is a crusade against Islam,” bin Laden said. “We, as Muslims, do not like the Iraqi regime but we think that the Iraqi people and their children are our brothers and we care about their future.”

In 2004, bin Laden was quoted as saying:

God knows it did not cross our minds to attack the Towers, but after the situation became unbearable — and we witnessed the injustice and tyranny of the American-Israeli alliance against our people in Palestine and Lebanon — I thought about it. And the events that affected me directly were that of 1982 and the events that followed — when America allowed the Israelis to invade Lebanon, helped by the U.S. Sixth Fleet. As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me punish the unjust the same way: to destroy towers in America so it could taste some of what we are tasting and to stop killing our children and women.

Both the CIA and the 9/11 Commission have said that blowback — a CIA term that describes the repercussions of secretive U.S. foreign policy actions — contributed to the 9/11 attacks. Bin Laden blamed the U.S./Saudi Arabia alliance and presence of U.S. troops in the “holy land” after the first Gulf War, its alliance with Israel and against Palestinians, and sanctions against Iraq.

The FBI has used the blowback angle to set up terror plots that it then “thwarts” in order to give government more excuses to clamp down on civil liberties (via the USA (un)Patriot Act, the overbearing Department of Homeland Security or the newly signed National Defense Authorization Act).

It does this by infiltrating mosques to find patsies it can cajole, support and finance into setting up terror plots, allowing FBI agents to swoop in at the last minute to save the day. The patsies inevitably say their reason for wanting to pull off a terrorist attack against America is to exact retribution for ongoing attacks on Muslim citizens.

One such example is Rezwan Ferdaus, the American citizen charged with concocting a ludicrous plan to launch explosives-filled radio controlled airplanes and fly them into the Pentagon. When asked why he wanted to attack the United States, he replied: “’Cause that would be a huge scare… the point is you want to scare them so they know not to mess with you… They have… have killed from us, our innocents, our men, women and children, they are all enemies.”

It’s clear that U.S. policies in the Mideast have created blowback. Yet our government overlords and all but one of the GOP Presidential beauty contestants tell us that we must occupy Mideast nations, attack their citizens with drones, bomb them with NATO planes and place crippling sanctions on them in order to keep us safe.

We’ve been doing this to one Mideast country or another since 1990 (in addition to decades of backchannel and secretive CIA and non-government organization meddling in other countries’ affairs). Have 21 years of occupations, bombing and sanctions made us safe? No. They have made us broke and less free, and a whole new government entity, DHS, has been created and granted overarching unConstitutional powers to “keep us safe” because of it.

This is what Paul is saying when he says he wants to change U.S. foreign policy from one of empire and globalism to one of non-interventionism. Yet when he does, so-called conservatives get horn-mad.

During a recent GOP debate, self-proclaimed new front-runner Rick Santorum about came unglued when Paul said this, and he all but vowed to bomb the Muslim world out of existence on his first day in office. However, it doesn’t look like he will get his chance. President Barack Obama will have taken care of it prior to the election. As for Mitt Romney, he is simply a neocon, globalist puppet/echo chamber.

Americans have accepted as gospel that Iran is close to having a nuclear weapon. But reports of Iran’s nuclear capability are as dubious as similar reports were about Iraq’s nuclear capabilities — and are coming from some of the same discredited agencies and people.

Crazy is beating your head against a wall to cure a headache. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Stupidity is continuously buying into the lies of a consistently duplicitous Federal government.

Americans have been convinced that continuing — or doubling down on — a foreign policy that has led to attacks on America will make us safe, while that very foreign policy is what created in Muslims the desire to attack Americans in the first place.

George W. Bush, as I quoted above, said “they” hate and “we” love. We’re loving them to death and they hate us for it, and the only ones benefitting from it are the totalitarians, the banksters, the globalists and the military-industrial complex.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Michael J.

    Thanks for putting Dr. Paul’s foreign policy into words so succinctly.
    The media twists his words into what I call pretzel logic.

    I feel that the effort required to derail the momentum of the globalist locomotive is to massive to overcome, but I will vote for Ron Paul as republican nominee or independent anyway.

    • Jimmy D.

      Apparently Michael J and various others have not taken the time to actually read the Koran and see what it says about anyone who does not adhere to Islam and Sharia law. We are to die, preferably minus our heads. The Islamic mandate is total world domination by any and all means necessary so they can continue their savagery uncontested and force their heathen beliefs on us all. Ron Paul has his head up his butt when it comes to these animals.If anyone has any doubts as to how muslims handle differences of opinion among their own kind, much less us infidels, one needs only to review what Hussein did to the Kurds with chemical weapons. Kinda answers the WMD question too.

      • Karolyn

        Only radical Islamists adhere to what you are saying. The majority of Muslims just want to live in peace with their families like anybody else. You are brainwashed.

        • Brian

          Yes, you are brainwashed Jimmy D…Why would any government want to kill us EVEN though Islam says the things it says? Governments want the most money for themselves, even ‘Islamic’ governments – they are no more ‘Islamic’ than our government is ‘Christian’!

          • Millicent

            Keep drinking the Ron Paul kool aid you idiots. Or is it too many hits on the bong. Ron Paul aka Dr. Dementia is a total and complete fraud. He talks like he wrote the Constitution. Meanwhile he is a serial violater of Article 1 Section 8 by taking all the earmarks that he writes into bills. Then he votes no, knowing full well they will pass. Yes. Dr. Dementia the America hating pile of garbage can bring home the bacon. He is a racist liar and to the left of Obama. If this pile of garbage were to get the nomination, I for the first time in my life wouldn’t bother to vote. Evil Obama or Evil Dr. Dementia. Some choice.

          • JC

            Millicent, you’ve really revved up the hate machine as a side to your propoganda today. Be careful dear…that’s the stuff strokes are made of.
            You can’t back “any” of that up can you?

          • vicki

            Millicent writes:
            “(so many ad hominim attacks that I lost count :) ) ”

            Really, you could have stopped after the first one. We knew from that point that you had no case against Dr Paul.

            Meanwhile the louder and louder the rants from the supposed conservatives against Dr. Paul tell me they are truly afraid that his ideas might actually be heard and understood.

            Even if he is not elected/electable the spreading of his ideas is very bad for the people who would claim to keep us safe by killing others who have not even attacked us.

          • Vigilant

            Mr. Livingston says, “If you buy the official government line about the 9/11 attacks — that Osama bin Laden encouraged 19 cave dwellers to come to America and learn to fly airliners so they could commandeer them and fly them into two New York skyscrapers, the Pentagon and some other undetermined building in Washington, D.C. — then logic suggests you must also accept the reason bin Laden gave for orchestrating the attacks.”

            Afraid I need a little clarification here.

            You’re saying that if you buy premise A (9/11 was an Al Quaeda and Al Quaeda only-orchestrated attack), then logic dictates an acceptance of conclusion B (9/11 was Al Quaeda revenge for US adventurism in the Middle East).

            We know you don’t buy premise A, but you sure seem to buy conclusion B. The logic seems fuzzy to me.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Millicent,

            You can always be counted on to provide cogent, concise, fact-filled rebuttals to any commentary. Thanks so much for your kind words.

            Regards,
            Bob

            P.S. Your posts are in violation of our terms of use policy. However, in the short term I intend to allow you and your posts to remain for the comedic value they provide.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Vigilant,

            Those who believe that OBL instigated, planned and financed the attacks must accept the reasons OBL gave for planning the attack. However, they are suffering from cognitive dissonance if they accept that our interventionist policy spurred OBL, but believe that we should continue the same policy. They are also suffering from cognitive dissonance if they believe OBL instigated, planned and financed the attacks, but ignore the reasons he gave. Both are illogical.

            Some have said that Ron Paul blames America for 9/11. He has not said that. Paul has said that blowback as a result of America’s interventionist policy led to the attacks. (In other words, he takes OBL at his word. He also believes the CIA, when it says that blowback led to the attacks.) That is the point I’m making here, and the logic is not fuzzy at all.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Vigilant

            Let me put it this way, Mr. Livingston: You have said, if I’m not incorrect, that 9/11 was NOT accomplished for the reasons given by OBL, but was instead a false flag attack orchestrated by…whomever.

            If you believe that, then OBL’s excuses are false, and US overseas interventionism is simply irrelevant.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Vigilant,

            Irrelevant? I don’t believe U.S. overseas interventionism is irrelevant to the 6,000 or so U.S. military killed and the 46,000 wounded, and their families. I don’t believe it’s irrelevant to the thousands of innocent Afghanis, Pakistanis and Iraqis and the thousands of Libyans killed. It’s certainly not irrelevant where our loss of freedom is concerned–through the Patriot Act, the NDAA, etc. It is hardly irrelevant to our national budget. There are so many ways our overseas interventionism is relevant. You, sir, do not live up to your handle or you would see this.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Vigilant

            Mr. Livingston,

            I fear you are misunderstanding me. I’m not by any means talking about the irrelevancy of US interventionism to the things you are citing. I agree with you on that.

            But I’ll not let an outside argument sway me. I’m talking about 9/11 ONLY, the 9/11 conspiracy theory vs. OBL’s statements as to why it happened.

            I am talking about cognitive dissonance in this manner: one cannot believe that 9/11 was caused by some massive conspiracy (NWO, Bush, Mossad, etc., whomever) and AT THE SAME TIME believe that it was Al Quaeda’s rage at US interventionism in the M.E. that caused it. It has to be one or the other.

            And if you believe that BOTH things caused it, that’s the very essence of cognitive dissonance.

            I hope I’ve made myself clear.

          • Vigilant

            “Some have said that Ron Paul blames America for 9/11. He has not said that. Paul has said that blowback as a result of America’s interventionist policy led to the attacks. (In other words, he takes OBL at his word. He also believes the CIA, when it says that blowback led to the attacks.)”

            Well, which is it? “Blowback” or 9/11 conspiracy theory? Logically, if you accept Dr. Paul’s assessment, then you CANNOT believe in the 9/11 conspiracy theory.

          • Alan

            @Vigilant -
            This “faux” argument that you have engaged in, with Mr. Livingston, is a typical ploy to try to confuse the issues. I was in Europe (Germany) when the USS New Jersey began shelling Beirut. The
            “Blowback” we experienced in Europe was delayed but over the course of the next few months the terrorists stepped up their attacks on a myriad of places in Europe. As a result of or foreign entanglement in Lebanon, Tunisia, and Libya (remember our Navy took Yassar Arafat to Tunisia), Arafat began his trek to Libya where he empowered Mohomar Khadafi to bomb a Disco-tec in Berlin – killing 2 Americans and injuring 79 in April 1986. This all led to further foreign entanglements with B-52s sent out of Britain to bomb Tripoli. And, here we have witnessed the ever increasing tension between the ME and the West due to our incessant desire to control the World’s Oil supply. I have first-handed experienced the “blowback” of foreign entanglements due to our idiotic foreign policies of the last 30 years! Everyone, pull your heads out of the sand and stop believing the hypebol!

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Vigilant,

            Blowback is very real. As I pointed out, there are those who harbor a hatred for the U.S. based on its foreign policy. Some of those people carry out actual terrorist attacks. Some of are used as patsies by the FBI. They are entrapped, encouraged, whatever you want to call it (see the link I provided for an excellent article by Glenn Greenwald on the subject). It is possible that those who carried out the attacks on 9/11 were such patsies, legitimately enraged by the actions of the U.S. government and/or affiliated NGOs, targeted because of their beliefs and used to carry out the actions that were desired. As to 9/11 specifically, I am not certain exactly what transpired. I am certain that the government’s official story contains many lies. While there is no question that four jetliners were employed by someone(s) to carry out the attacks, the whys, whos and hows that come from the government don’t add up. So accepting that blowback is a part of the story and that there is some conspiracy involved in the 9/11 attacks are not mutually exclusive, as you seem to think.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Vigilant

            Alan,

            There is no argument, “faux” or otherwise. I was seeking clarification, not trying to sow confusion. And where did I say I didn’t subscribe to the blowback facet?

            You have “first-handed experience” of blowback? Pray tell just what that was. I was sitting in a relatively defenseless NATO E-3A on station 20,000 feet over Sicily when we were buzzed by two Libyan MiGs in 1986, not a nice experience. We didn’t know if they were going to shoot us down. That’s first hand experience.

            BTW, no B-52s were used to bomb Gaddafi, they were F-111Fs.

          • Joseph

            Vigilant: I am talking about cognitive dissonance in this manner: one cannot believe that 9/11 was caused by some massive conspiracy (NWO, Bush, Mossad, etc., whomever) and AT THE SAME TIME believe that it was Al Quaeda’s rage at US interventionism in the M.E. that caused it. It has to be one or the other.

            Vigilant, the reason you have difficulty in connecting the two, is because you honestly believe that Al Quada operates as an in-depended agency/organization, and not as an instrument/tool, created, and controlled by our CIA!

            It is no secret that Osama Bin Ladin was a CIA agent. “Tim Osman” was the name assigned to him by the CIA for his tour of the U.S. and U.S. military bases, in search of political support and armaments. There is some evidence that Tim Osman … visited the White House. There is certainty that Tim Osman toured some U.S. military bases, even receiving special demonstrations of the latest equipment. Why hasn’t this been reported in the major media?

        • professor

          Karolyn muslims are so nice I guess that is why they come to take over our cities like Dearborn Michigan where they want to force the courts to invest in Sharia Law. I guess that is why the police won’t go into the muslim ghettos…they are such nice and peaceful people.

          Have you watched the riots in the Middle East….those are your muslim friends. Bring in enough of them and they will act the same way in this country.

          Anyone that practices islam, is not compatible with the American way of life. When called they will be in the streets fighting us. I would hate to be living in Michigan.

          Actually, they are already in a struggle to take our country from within.. They come as conquerors, to acquire land and wealth, just like the conquerors of old… this time the difference is that they come with “lawyers instead of swords” and they depend on people like you to give them what they want.

          • Flashy

            I believe you are greatli in error in catagorizing Dearborn as “taken over” by Islamists. That’s one of the many lies spread by fear and hete mongerers wo trust people will believe it if told often enough. The other point you are failing in is your characterization of there being “Muslim Ghetto’s” … errr…is there any type of ghetto other than a “ghetto”? Shall we start referring to them in a religious bent..such as “Christian ghetto”, Bhuddist Ghetto” etc? just where are the Muslim ghettos?

          • Michael J.

            Flashman,
            You neglected to mention the liberal ghetto which exists in the minds of liberals, literately.

          • Brad

            Hey Flashy, what do you call this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9pw7_K7hf4

          • eddie47d

            If Terry Jones wants to spread the hate then he better learn to take the heat.

          • JC

            I know non-muslim people from Dearborn who are trying to get out.
            Thing is they have to take a serious beating on their now, near worthless property to do it. Now is that because it’s becoming a ghetto or is that Bush’s fault too flashy?

          • vicki

            Brad says:
            “Hey Flashy, what do you call this, (link removed so I can put in my link)”

            I would call that a bunch of liberals interfering with the right to speak. So much for their respect of the Constitution. Kinda like the yelling and screaming against Dr Paul.

          • Dave

            Looked like a bunch of Tea-Baggers if you ask me. They yell like that, too.

          • professor

            Flashy, lets put it differently about Dearborn so that you can understand.

            Dearborn Michigan has the largest “settlement” of muslims outside of the Middle East….!

            As far as your objection to the word “Ghetto,” I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want to call it like it is….what is the problem about identifying who lives in a particular neighborhood. We have Jewish neighborhoods, we have black neighborhoods.. What is wrong with identifying a muslim neighborhood that police won’t venture into…as a Ghetto! Libturds are the only ones that won’t call “a spade a spade.” Everyone else can identify what they see.

          • Glynn A.

            Even though no less frightening today than it has ever been, none of this is new to me. I have studied and researched Islam for forty years and am more convinced now than ever that ISLAM spelled backwards is MALSI, another off beat, tongue-in-cheek reference to satan; among his many other titles. This whole idea of turning piracy into a religion was the brainchild of a renegade camel herder who happened to marry into money and used it, and a paranoid vision to turn his otherwise dead in the water future into a mega empire, worth untold millions. Of all the world’s 1.2 billion muslims, savvy old Muhammad was the only one with brains. There hasn’t been one of his intellectual and cunning brilliance since.

        • Henry Stock

          Those adhering to Radical Islamic philosophy represents somewhere between 10 to 15% of all Muslims, which puts that number at somewhere around 150 million people. That is something to be concerned about, especially in light of the advantages of asymmetric warfare.

          Another problem results from the intimidation factor. While those radical Muslims represent only a small percentage of the entire Muslim population, their influence is larger because they intimidate non radical Muslims into silence and even acquiescence. Even if you yourself are not a radical Muslim, it does not do much for the cause of peace if you remain silent in the face of activities on the part of radical members of your religion. The most notable Muslims, various Imams, are among the radical group and so that influence is growing.

          Look at what is happening in Egypt. The Radical Muslim Brotherhood is taking over and vowing to abrogate the peace treaty with Israel. Similar events are happening all over the region. Let me ask you, if you were faced with a foreign leader calling your nation evil and promising to wipe your nation off the face of the earth while that nation was simultaneously working toward the building and / or acquisition of nuclear weapons, how would you react? Would you be willing to take a chance that it was a bluff? This is the kind of thing that Europe did with Hitler. It is a tough situation because you are dammed if you act and you are dammed if you fail to act.

          I felt that this article was unfair because it misrepresents the feelings and beliefs of thousands of people that do not trust Congressman Paul’s views on foreign policy. We are not ranting idiots who have no logical basis for our disagreements with Ron Paul particularly regarding his views on Iran. Have any of you that agree with Doctor Paul studied the topic of the Twelfth Imam? Before you discount us, please study that topic in depth. You will find that what we consider rational behavior and what the “twelvers” believe is rational are not the same. And therein lies the problem. Doctor Paul apparently believes that if we just ignore the Iranians and get out of the region, that they will let us alone. We don’t think that it is that simple.

          There are many things on which we and Doctor Paul agree. We agree on economic issues. We agree on many issues concerning freedom and the role of government. We even agree, in principle on the idea that we should pull back on our foreign presence and commitments. But we may disagree with the rapidity of that pull back and the extent of that pull back. We are a trading nation and we must thus be engaged in the world and we must be prepared to protect our interests just as Thomas Jefferson did when he sent the Marine to Tripoli to deal with Muslim Pirates that were interfering with U.S. shipping.

          • Sunshine49

            You forget that Ron Paul will NOT be making these decision alone. He is NOT Obama, who just does what he wants and to hell with Congress and the Constitution.

          • http://simplynatural.blogtownhall.com/2011/04/08/wholistic_libertarianism.thtml SimplyNatural

            Henry, your comment was excellent. As a self styled libertarian, I appreciate Ron Paul’s view on liberty…for example..I can say: you are the owner of your adult body, and NO DAMN government has the right to tell you what you can or must do with it in the privacy of your home. That is a self evident truth, but one that is sadly opposed by all our drug laws & many others. I strongly suspect Ron Paul would agree. But on the other hand, Ron Paul’s statement that he opposed the killing of Osama Bin Laden, as it occurred,is the epitome of what’s wrong with him. Bin Laden was the self confessed architect of the murder of 3000 Americans, a foreigner and not entitled to any rights under our Constitution. Paul’s viewpoint on this is out of touch with common sense and the overwhelming majority of Americans.

          • DaveH

            You need to study up on the event, Simply. It wasn’t legal. We invaded the space of a sovereign country without their permission to take the supposed Bin Laden. Typical for the lawless US Government these days.

          • DaveH
          • billgoatee

            Henry, you are right. Another thing to look at. It only takes 10% to 15% of the population as a political party or religious faction to take over any nation, and commence to screw it up. Most Germans were not members of the nazi party. They were just going on about their lifes, working, raising kids, not paying attention about what was going on around them,about about the same thing thats going on in America right now. Once they got in power, the country was screwed. This is the reason so-called moderate muslims need to stand up & speak out against muslim terrorism. The koran teaches the muslim to lie & deceive, a stab-in-back philosophy to achieve a world caliphate,and believe me they are trying every means they can to achieve this goal. Once you get rid of America & the constition,as we know it, it is all over for the world. The great satan “America” and the little satan “Israel” need to be destroyed as they are now for this to be accomplished. We have to listen to what they are saying and what they really mean when they talk. Every muslim leader I have every heard give a speech adhere to this philosophy. All of the middle east will come under one caliph, probably sooner than we expect. They will work outward from there. They are already making inroads here in America and every western nation as we discuss this. We cannot as freedom loving Americans sit on the sidelines and let this happen. We cannot pull back as Ron Paul wants us to do. There is to much at stake in the coming election to elect Ron Paul as President of this country. By the same token, we need to do everything we can to see that President Obama is not reelected to lead this great country. I implore everyone to read, learn the facts about whats going on. The truth is out there people, just look it up. I do not trust to many of our elected officials to tell me the truth and the whole truth. So lets get out and vote. We can get this country back to being run as the constition says it should.

          • Earl

            Mr. Stock:

            Before you, like most of the other mindless, ignorant spreaders of misquotes spread this one any farther, please read the article contained withing this URL.

            : http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21188

            The statement about wiping Israel of the map was never said. when you read the article you will understand this gross miscarriage of journalism on the part of many parrots who all plagiarize the same falsehood….

            Bob L: perhaps doing a short article regarding this may mitigate the further propounding of this misquote?

        • Deerinwater

          Of course, what you are saying Karolyn seems to be the “case”. BUT, still you can’t help but acknowledge they are ‘practicing’ Muslims and such disrespect, intolerance and “command” IS written into the TEXT their faith is founded on.

          I find it most troubling from any viewpoint. If this can be explained away and make me feel better, someone representing the Muslim faith needs to try. To date, I have not heard such a debate or defense that goes what you offer, “Well,~ most of them are nice” falls far short of any explanation.

          The Christian Faithful and their Holy Text is bad enough, as one can read “An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth”. That it is written into the text describing early Jewish Tribal Law encourages some zealful Christian to accept and respond in kind as appose to the love and turn the other cheek Jesus subscribed later in the Gospels.

          • Karolyn

            In the little reading I have done, Deer, it would appear that the Koran and the Bible have a lot more in common than one might think, in that interpretations and translations abound. Same old same old – It’s all in the eye of the beholder. It’s just too bad more people didn’t “behold” with the same eye.

          • Flashy

            Organized religion is the greatest invention to control the masses. If they obey doctrine, the go to the Elyssian Fields. Dishonor the doctrine (i.e. the self proclaimed leadership who claim they have a local land line to the Man)…and it’s Tartarus for you.

            Except for the story line and the organizational chart, there is very little difference between Christianity and Islam. And neither will admit it.

          • vicki

            Flashy writes:
            “Except for the story line and the organizational chart, there is very little difference between Christianity and Islam.”

            Just certain minor details like what to do with non-believers. There is very little difference between CO and O2 but one will kill you and one will keep you alive.

            Now let us look at the 2 religions.
            http://www.dianedew.com/islam.htm
            Note especially section “On Eternal Judgment”, “On Murder, Violence, War & Oppression” and “On the Treatment of Women”. use the search function to find the quoted headings or just scan down the list.

          • Flashy

            Vicki…your refusal to recognize history is amazing. Allow me to quote from referenced fact from the last Crusade. As a city was being burned and destroyed, one of the advisors mentioned there were Christians being raped and murdered as well as muslims in the city being razed. The reply was “Let god sort them out”.

            There are many stories of the Spanish rule in S America who killed the natives for any reason…sometimes just because they awoke with a hangover…the natives weren’t “true christians’ and thus had no soul…so death was appropriate since they weren’t “of the living”.

            The 30 years War, The “troubles” of Ireland, Pogroms against Jews up to and including WWII in E. Europe and occupied W. Europe (the Nazis din’t round them all up by their lonesome y’know).

            Vicki…you can’t defend the indefensible. All of the above and throughout history, Scripture has been cited to legitimize the blood lust of religions against “non-believers” …

          • Vicki

            Flashy. That bad men will use their mis understanding of God for their own ends has been known since the beginning. That you accuse Christians for the actions of a few non-Christians (who might claim to be Christian) is so very stereotypical of liberalism.

            Another common situation is that of the owner of firearms. Liberals are always blaming the innocent gun owner or even the gun for the criminal acts of a VERY few people.

            ~2 Billion followers of Christ didn’t burn any cities last year. Can you say the same about some other groups. Can you say the same about your own government? Please stop blaming Christ and/or the Christian religion for the acts of Satan’s followers.

        • Dr Anthony L James Sr

          Do you truly know any foreign Islamic peoples, or even foreign nationals. I dont believe you are igornant, just min informed. Non arabic or Islamist that do not live inside the asian area some do abhor violence, however most that do live in asiatic reigons, demand violence, they have a hatred of the United States, cause we are the new poster child of the world, as the only super power in existance. This ia a jelousy of not only being upset that we are number one in technology, growth and life, cause of our belieaf that man has the power and ability to achive goals and find happiness with out a emon or gruhu to tell then what god wants them to do, they want total control. And the fact that we suppourt Isreal cause they feel they cheated out of ruling the world by the Jews. Believe this, they hate us, and want to destroy us, our lives, ecconomy and our happiness, they feel that Aliah has empowerd them to rule the world and will do anything to achive that goal. You can not talk to them, reason with them or try to befriend them. You are not islamic, you are a infedil and they do not respect you or honor any agreements cause you are not islamic. Even here in the United States, islamic born and raise here will not disavow or dispute all the terrorist acts, why the emons teach that islamic people stick together. That is the problem.

          • professor

            Dr, you are right about muslims. They are our enemies, not to be coddled, or mistaken for moderates. I have never understood why we allow our enemies to live among us or why they are given preferential treatment..

        • Old Henry

          Where are all the “peaceful Muslims” decrying the radical terrorists? They are all strangely quiet.

          • SM ISAC

            The intimidation factor is very real. Also the “moderate” Muslims are not able to theologically defend their positions whereas the radicals have very firm foundation to support their supremacist position rooted in the Koran and the life and examples of Mohammed.

          • vicki

            Where are the “peaceful liberals” decrying Obama’s wars?

          • Flashy

            Vicki…what wars did Pres. Obama get us into?

          • Vicki

            Flashy says:
            “Vicki…what wars did Pres. Obama get us into?”

            Are you playing the definition of IS game?

            Try this list
            http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/pictures-obama-s-six-wars-so-far–20110701

        • Average Joe

          Millicent,

          Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012!!!!!

          ;)

          • Millicent

            LOL Dr. Dementia is only helping Obama. I like the judge, but he is off base on this. Ron Paul a bigger fraud than Obama.

          • Jibbs

            Millicent says:
            January 9, 2012 at 12:18 pm
            LOL Dr. Dementia is only helping Obama. I like the judge, but he is off base on this. Ron Paul a bigger fraud than Obama.

            **********************************************************************

            Millicent, you are just like eddie47d, you spew you bs, and offer no links or footnotes as to where you found your info.
            I would guess that you are just repeating what you here from thw MSM or your mis-informed so called “friends”
            Why don’t you try educating yourself, instead of buying into that government crap.

          • Average Joe

            Oh Millicent,

            Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012!!!!!

          • JC

            Millicent says:

            January 9, 2012 at 12:18 pm

            LOL Dr. Dementia is only helping Obama. I like the judge, but he is off base on this. Ron Paul a bigger fraud than Obama.
            ___________________________________________________________
            Hey Liberal mouthpiece, back that up if you can.

        • SM ISAC

          Then you are willfully blind. Please take a look at all the Muslim states or Muslim majority countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, Iraq, Indonesia, and even those with significant Muslim minorities such as the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, non-Muslims are either discriminated and persecuted, or intimidated into leaving their birthplaces by the thousands. All this, DESPITE the fact the majority of Muslims want to lead normal lives in peace.

          • DJ

            Add Turkey to that list, where what some historians consider the beginning of true Christianity has seen Churches bulldozed under and Mosques erected right on top of them, all but wiping out non-Muslim religions. It may have taken them 150 years to accomplish it, showing just how patient Sharia- pimping Muslims truly are.

            http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1047553/posts

        • Brogan

          Acually Karolyn new statistics have shown that radical islam is the fastest growing part of islam and now is the largest sector

          • Flashy

            I would think that recruitment is slowing now that radical Islam’s best recruitment poster, Bush/CHeney, have been removed from the scene…

          • Karolyn

            Actually, I heard an interview on the radio of a journalist who had lived in the mideast for 30 years and wrote a book about the growing moderate sector of young Muslims who want to move into the 21st century. I really wish I could remember her name or book, but the interview was very interesting and compelling.

        • Jeff

          Anybody who looks into 9/11 and still believes the official story is insane and in denial of the laws of physics. Also, people who think Muslims in general are evil and out to get us really need to find a new country to live in. America is still America and i’m about to throw away freedom because you cowards are checking under your beds at night for men wearing beards and turbans. Grow up, children. Time to defend America FOR REAL. Read the Constitution. If we are fighitng terrorists who hate America, then why are we helping them out by sacrificing freedom (the whole idea of America). Its because we are being conned into serfdom. Man-up, children.

          • Vicki

            What law of physics do you think was denied by the 9/11 attack story?

          • DJ

            Pretty self-important blather for someone who shows they are in denial of the reality of what happens when thousands of jet fuel explodes, and the resulting heat transfer from it Jeff. It’s almost as if you have never heated a cast iron skillet up to 400 degrees and then burnt your hand when grabbing the handle, because the handle too is 400 degrees. Ever do any welding or brazing? Ever step out from Mommies basement and live in another country? I,ve lived in Europe, Canada and all parts of the U.S. I have seen firsthand how Muslims hate all non-Muslims, and the so-called “peaceful” moderates also spend their lives giving money and covering up for the radical elements out of fear of being ostracized of even killed themselves. It appears that it is you who needs to grow up .

        • Alan

          Well Vigilant -
          You are correct that F111s were used. As far as first-handed goes, let’s see, repeated factional bombings of southern German bureaus and Kasernes where I was based. It got so bad in the summer of 1986 we were on lock down and could not leave due to the potential threating position the terrorist groups had taken. Let alone the fact of heightened concern around Fulda Gap where our MI materials were stationed. Specifics are specifics and we could also debate the issues surrounding the Gulf war and what went on there. My point is that foreign entanglements only bog us down into protracted wars. We can continue to beat one another up or we can make conscience decisions to take another path next year. But, I guess some will never be content.

        • CJM

          Bullhockey! If there are those “peace loving muslims” located in the US, then why aren’t they exposing the terrorist cells like they should? Because the felons are the “peace loving muslims’” brothers as bin ladin continuously said in his diatribes against the US? They are nothing more than a bunch of murdering, thieving, conniving INFIDELS who want to be the global leader and force everyone, including you, Karolyn, to be THEIR SLAVES. Hope you like your burkkah–what putrid color do you wish to wear? And are you willing to be ‘circumcised’ along with your daughters? Or your sons become the victims of the pedophiles the Middle East produces? I have yet to find a peace loving muslim–especially one with ties to islam.

      • TML

        I’ve read the Koran twice, front to back, and the bible 5 times front to back. They are not very dissimilar in their teachings. Honestly its no different than the bible advocating the killing of gays or “witches”.

        There are radical crusader christians the same as there are radical muslims, and neither are a majority. Such radicals, on either side, should not be thought to represent the whole of each respectively.

        Religious or not, you shouldn’t let your fear drive your reason. It makes one stupid.

        • Millicent

          The Koran is the exact reverse of the Bible. Anyone who drinks the Ron Paul kook aid is an idiot. He hates America and every time he opens his traitorous mouth, he proves it. Ron Paul aka Dr. Dementia just invokes my complete disgust. I don’t know who I despise more Dr. Dementia or the Kenyan. Bradley Manning a hero? 9/11 our fault? Racist newsletters which he fully supports and is now lying about? He us a RINO/LIBERTARIAN/PROGRESSIVE TO THE LEFT OF OBAMA. He will end up on the pile of political offal where he belongs.

          • FreedomFighter

            Everyone wants to blame the jews, Islam or christians for the trouble in the world, when in reality from behind the scenes the satanic followers of Lucifer the Lightbringer scheme and plot wielding immense influence and power in the world.

            “No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation.” -David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

            In front of everyones face yet nobody seems to see.

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • Flashy

            FF….every time I see your posts, it reminds me of a question i heard being asked of a TPer after the TPer argued the usual “meaning of the Founders’ and we should support freedom fighters etc…

            If fire fighters fight fires, and crime fighters fight crime…just what do Freedom Fighters fight?

          • DaveH

            So, Millicent, you’re trying to make Bob’s next list of “irrational, fact-devoid screeds”?
            Or are you really that ignorant?

          • DaveH

            Every time I see your posts, Flashman, I wonder “is somebody paying this ignorant guy? If so, why?”. It’s also notable that you’re here on weekdays but scarce on the weekend, Flashman. What, you don’t get paid on the weekends?
            Whoever is paying you is wasting their money, unless you’re really being paid by Conservatives so as to make Liberals look bad.

          • Deerinwater

            But Of course, you are entitle to your views, regardless how you came by them or even if they are wrong.But you are right about one thing, he is not GOP. Mr. Paul make no such claim but is being forces to “run” under their banner by necessity and complexity of our two party dominated election process.

            Yes, you could say that he is extremely progressive and threat to both parties as he attempt to steer that nation back away socialism and a federal government that has failed to provide quality leadership for all of it’s pandering and compromising of principals as offered by the original Constitution.

            Ron Paul is a Constitutionist and a American Patriot.

            The man for the job at hand? Maybe, I too hold my doubts as I find good ideas a dime a dozen and the sought job description is not “KING” but “President”.

            Ronald Ernest “Ron” Paul (born August 20, 1935) is an American physician, author, Republican United States Congressman, and a candidate for the 2012 Republican Party presidential nomination. He has been an outspoken critic of American foreign and monetary policies, recognized for sharply opposing his own party on many issues. Since 1997, Paul has represented Texas’s 14th congressional district, which covers an area south and southwest of Houston that includes Galveston. Paul serves on the House Committees on Foreign Affairs and Financial Services, and on the Joint Economic Committee, as well as chairman of the Financial Services Subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy and Technology.
            A native of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Paul is a graduate of Gettysburg College and Duke University School of Medicine, where he earned his medical degree. He served as a flight surgeon in the United States Air Force from 1963 until 1968. He worked as an obstetrician-gynecologist during the 1960s and 1970s, delivering more than 4,000 babies, before entering politics in 1976.
            Following his 2008 run for the Republican Party presidential nomination, Paul became the initiator of the advocacy group Campaign for Liberty and his ideas have been expressed in numerous published articles and books, including Liberty Defined: 50 Essential Issues That Affect Our Freedom (2011), End The Fed (2009), The Revolution: A Manifesto (2008), Pillars of Prosperity (2008), A Foreign Policy of Freedom: Peace, Commerce, and Honest Friendship (2007), and The Case for Gold (1982). His son Rand Paul was elected to the United States Senate for Kentucky in 2010, making the elder Paul the first Representative in history to serve concurrently with a child in the Senate.[3] Paul has been characterized as the “intellectual godfather” of the Tea Party movement.[4][5] He has become well known for his libertarian ideas on many political issues, often differing from both Republican and Democratic Party stances.
            On July 12, 2011, Paul announced that he would refrain from seeking another term in Congress in order to concentrate on his presidential bid.[6] He campaigned for President of the United States twice before, first during 1988 as the nominee of the Libertarian Party and again during 2008 as a candidate for the Republican nomination.

          • Boatman99

            He never said 9/11 was Americas fault and unless you are a policy maker that discounts you, he said it was the foreign policy of the US that cause the attacks. Bradley Manning is a hero and in the future he will be acquitted and they know it, the only reason they are mounting this show is to stop and scare anybody else that dares to do the same thing again as they have notice the dissenters are only adding everyday.
            You could feed your ignorant famlily and friends your rethoric arguments about Paul but somebody with a little bit of logic could notice that Ron Paul is a real patriot and our last hope.

          • sean e.stanton

            Now Milicent,
            You are speaking from ignorance!!!
            The Bible compared to the QURAN,is the short version.
            Many books were not added to the new testament and the OLD testament’s were also not complete…The Bible and the Quran read WORD for WORD,up until the point where the bible stops.
            True muslim’s have a very good knowledge of the bible and simply feel that it is a not complete…They are almost identical,NOT opposite to one another…Research is the rule of thumb

          • Karolyn

            Wow, Millicent, are you a hateful person! With so many people like you here, it’s no wonder we’re in so much trouble.

          • Howard

            Millicent,
            Your reaction seems “over the top”. What is making you so mad? Did Dr. Ron say something to hurt your feelings? Such an emotional response utilizing strong words like “traitorous” generally get discounted. Try using a little logic to make your point. I’m interested and listening, but don’t find any substance.

          • moonbeam

            Millicent,

            What are you smoking? Have you taken your medications today?

          • Average Joe

            Millicent,

            Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012!!!!
            ;)

          • Michael Hardesty

            Millicent, you are insane in the clinical sense. The Unholy Bible or Hebrew Book of Genocide is the most violent, genocidal, pornographic piece of utter lying excrement and insanity in the world ever. It was written and rewritten over centuries.

            BOB, THANKS FOR ANOTHER GREAT PIECE TODAY !

            Millicent, take your stinking, racist, genocidal, stupid self off this site and go back to AIPAC or Mossad for another assignment as you have utterly failed here.

            This is a libertarian site that backs the true opponent of big gov at home and abroad. You demented neocons need to go elsewhere and stop wasting our time.

          • JC

            Millicent says:

            January 9, 2012 at 8:41 am

            The Koran is the exact reverse of the Bible. Anyone who drinks the Ron Paul kook aid is an idiot
            ___________________________________________
            Blah Blah Blah…just another Liberal troll.

          • Average Joe

            flashy,

            “If fire fighters fight fires, and crime fighters fight crime…just what do Freedom Fighters fight?”
            Answer:

            For Freedom…anymore silly questions?

            It is a rare mind indeed that can render the hitherto non-existent blindingly obvious. The cry ‘I could have thought of that’ is a very popular and misleading one, for the fact is that they didn’t, and a very significant and revealing fact it is too.
            Douglas Adams

          • vicki

            FreedomFighter says:
            “In front of everyone’s face yet nobody seems to see.”

            Well. Maybe. Or maybe well hidden. I found lots of links linking back and forth amongst themselves but no actual source. What I did find was:
            http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2007/08/21/spangler-lucifer-the-united-nations-and-the-new-age/

            If you have an original source please share.

          • Bill

            Tell me, are you a commie! What other candidate is looking after your interest that you are not even aware of?

          • FreedomFighter

            FreedomFighter says:
            “In front of everyone’s face yet nobody seems to see.”

            Well. Maybe. Or maybe well hidden. I found lots of links linking back and forth amongst themselves but no actual source. What I did find was:
            http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2007/08/21/spangler-lucifer-the-united-nations-and-the-new-age/

            If you have an original source please share.
            ——————————————————–

            The quote is from spangys book, pulled from an artical by Paul McGuire. The confusion it seems that the organization was associated with the UN but only became an official part years after the quote

            Droped a line to Mr McGuire for clarification, unoffical offical the Luciferian way – like peeling an onion, it will make you cry every time.

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • Vicki

            Thanks FF. I wonder if we can ever teach liberals the advantage of traceable quotes and cites :)

          • BrotherPatriot

            Vicki-

            In responce to your link I read the responces to it and found one of the replies that seems credible…I want to link it as many people will only read the link & not the replies to it. So here it is…

            Voltaire says:

            1/15/2009 at 1:22 pm

            “The issue is the impression in some peoples minds that somehow NGO’s are official UN arms.
            Some years ago I web wandered into the Lucifer Publishing/Lucis Trust, which claims to be the Spiritual foundation of the UN.

            From their web site:

            The Lucis Trust

            The Lucis Trust is the Publishing House which prints and disseminates United Nations material. It is a devastating indictment of the New Age and Pagan nature of the UN. Lucis Trust was established in 1922 as Lucifer Trust by Alice Bailey as the publishing company to disseminate the books of Bailey and Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society. The title page of Alice Bailey’s book, ‘Initiation, Human and Solar’ was originally printed in 1922, and clearly shows the publishing house as ‘Lucifer Publishing CoIn 1923. Bailey changed the name to Lucis Trust, because Lucifer Trust revealed the true nature of the New Age Movement too clearly. (Constance Cumbey, The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, p. 49). A quick trip to any New Age bookstore will reveal that many of the hard-core New Age books are published by Lucis Trust.

            At one time, the Lucis Trust office in New York was located at 666 United Nations Plaza and is a member of the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations under a slick program called “World Goodwill”. In an Alice Bailey book called “Education for a New Age”; she suggests that in the new age “World Citizenship should be the goal of the enlightened, with a world federation and a world brain.” In other words – a One World Government New World Order.

            Luci’s Trust is sponsored by among others Robert McNamara, former minister of Defence in the USA, president of the World Bank, member of the Rockefeller Foundation, and Thomas Watson (IBM, former ambassador in Moscow). Luci’s Trust sponsors among others the following organizations: UN, Greenpeace Int., Greenpeace USA, Amnesty Int. and UNICEF.

            I didn’t correct the various spelling errors, such as Luci’s instead of Lucis. I wonder if Luci is evil like Lucifer?
            Additionally there is Benjamin Crème and Maitreya! The World teacher…One woman clains to have channeled Maitreya to the UN.. I listened to that and it was creepy.
            Seems a lot of nuts are somehow attracted to the UN.

            Well now that that information is out, we will all have to make a decision. I don’t think I am interested in joining any of these clubs….but to each his own.”

            God Bless & I hope this helps shed some light on the insiduous UN!

        • Karolyn

          Good post, TML.

        • George E

          TML,

          Just for my own education, please tell me where the Bible advocates killing gays and witches?

          • Howard

            Great question, George.
            Perhaps we are not reading enough Bible, I certainly don’t remember the Bible advocating that we are instructed to kill gays and witches.
            However, Ecclesiastes chapter 10, verse 19 says “A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things”. What does this verse say to us about the current election cycle? That money will decide? Looks like another four years with the Narcissist in Chief.

          • TML

            Lev. 20:13 – If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them

            Exodus 20:18 – thou shall suffer not a witch to live

            You may proceed with your appologetics, but I won’t respond until you first apply the same convictions of appologetics to the verses in the Koran that so many Christians JUDGE Muslims for.

            Good day

          • professor

            George, I would also like to know where the Bible commands that Christians should “Kill all non-believers!”

            I would say that is a BIG difference between the Bible and the Koran.

          • TML

            Deuteronomy 13:7-12 – “If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.”

        • JR

          I have also read the Qu’ran twice, cover to cover, and the Bible perhaps hundreds of times. That you would conflate the two is utterly staggering. Only the most superficial reading of the Bible could cause one to come to this type of conclusion. I strongly suggest you read Paul Copan’s “Is God a Moral Monster” short work if you have problems with the Old Testament. However, in sum, from the very start – dealing with utterly basic issues such as God’s immanence, His means of interacting with man, His method of dealing with sin – and indeed the very nature of sin itself – etc. are world’s apart.

          I strongly urge you to better inform yourself. Copan is a good start.

          • TML

            Superficial? I think you mean reasonable. Of course you would be shocked, since you hold a religious bias for one, and against the other as your prerequisite to reading them. Try reading them both objectively, if that’s possible for you, and judge the facts objectively. It might interest you to know that the Muslims recognize also the old and new testament. Islam, is technically supposed to be the children of Ishmael, first born of Abraham, to which it is written god will make a great nation.

            Good day

        • JR

          Very weak comment. I have also read the Qu’ran twice, cover to cover, and the Bible perhaps hundreds of times. That you would conflate the two is utterly staggering. Only the most superficial reading of the Bible could cause one to come to this type of conclusion. I strongly suggest you read Paul Copan’s “Is God a Moral Monster” short work if you have problems with the Old Testament. However, in sum, from the very start – dealing with utterly basic issues such as God’s immanence, His means of interacting with man, His method of dealing with sin – and indeed the very nature of sin itself – etc. are world’s apart.

          I strongly urge you to better inform yourself. Copan is a good start.

        • SM ISAC

          If you have really read both Koran and the Bibles (“Old” and “New”) and came to your conclusion, then you have missed some key, crucial differences: The Old Testament is a historical document. The prophets like Abraham and Moses do not claim to be perfect human beings, though links to the divine whereas according to Islam, Mohammed is the SEAL of prophet, the last and the perfect one to be emulated for all times. This is the reason that Sharia, the Islamic jurisprudence has remained the moral and legal code reminiscent of the 7th century dessert tribes without changes.

          • Michael Hardesty

            Nothing historical about the genocidal Old Testament, it’s a pile of contradictory nonsense written and rewritten by certified lunatics whose only expertise was in making up nonsensical wordsalads.
            Take your Christ Cult and go to another planet.
            You have caused nothing but misery and damage on earth.

          • TML

            SM ISAC says – “then you have missed some key, crucial differences: The Old Testament is a historical document. “

            I don’t know about you, but I consider them both to be ‘historical’ documents simply due to their age, even if someone considers them fictional stories.

            SM ISAC says – “The prophets like Abraham and Moses do not claim to be perfect human beings, though links to the divine whereas according to Islam, Mohammed is the SEAL of prophet, the last and the perfect one to be emulated for all times. “

            But, according to Christians… Jesus does, and they worship Jesus as if he were God. Muslims see Jesus as a prophet, but don’t worship him, nor do they worship Mohammed, because they believe there is only one God, and that we are all his ‘sons’ (and daughters).

            SM ISAC says – “This is the reason that Sharia, the Islamic jurisprudence has remained the moral and legal code reminiscent of the 7th century dessert tribes without changes.”

            Yes, and if they chose to do that, and it works for them… let them. If that scares you, then you should educate yourself with exactly what Sharia law consists of.

            But I will say, there is no difference in such a system of Sharia law, as you describe it, and the Christians who seek to make their religious morals into law, based on text from many centuries before Christ. (gay marriages for example) How then can you belittle, and fear, their culture and their ways… when Christians right here at home are trying to practically do the same thing: make their ‘barbaric’ religious morals into legal code?

            Until you can tell the truth about yourself, you can never tell it about others.

          • professor

            sm,

            You referred to islam’s “last and perfect prophet,” the one to be emulated!

            This “perfect one” was a warmonger, pedophile, killer of the innocent, mutilator, and destroyer of countries…a barbarian of the worst kind. This is the man that muslims emulate and revere?

            It is no wonder that muslims treat their women like “property” to do with what they will , put bombs on their own children and blow them up, mutilate their enemies before sawing off their heads, kill thousands of innocents, practice bestiality, and try to kill all the infidels in the world!

            Sure am glad Millicents said that the Bible is the exact opposite of the Koran….wouldn’t want to think about Jesus Christ being compared to the “Perfect One.”

        • professor

          I believe I hear a “muslim apologist” that knows nothing about the experience of religion, but yet states there is no difference between Christians and muslim terrorists!

        • CJM

          The similarities exist because the so-called mohammed plagerized the original early Christian texts….he was well travelled and knew about the christians of his day. They didn’t have plagerism laws back then.

          • CJM

            FYI Addendum: The author of the Qur’an, Muhammad, was born in 570 c.e.; he wrote the Qur’an beginning in 609 c.e. and died in 632 c.e. It was not until 650 c.e. that the shar’ia came into existence and became the legalistic law of the Middle East. According to the ORIGINAL Muslim texts women and children were to be the prime beneficiaries of the almsgiving and were to be protected. That was destroyed with the incorporation of the shar’ia, when women and children were reduced to chattel that have a ‘value’ less than that of the livestock. The shar’ia reveres manhood and promotes male supremacy, particularly in regrds to sexuality….which is why the female gender is mutilated. There are many resources available to the general public if one cares to look it up.

        • Lawrence Ekdahl

          The bible does advocate the killing of witches and queers, but that is only for Jews under mosaic law. True christians do not advocate murdering anyone. Romans 13 asserts that the government ordained by God has the responsibility of putting to death murderers. Misguided so called christians down through history have thought to take justice into their own hands and kill muslims or even other christians with whom they disagree.

        • DAVE

          AMEN!

      • Michael J.

        Jimmy D.
        Apparently you are unaware that Iran’s military is no match for ours even if they have a few nukes. And I know all about the 12th Imam, and that they would like nothing better than to start Armageddon to hasten his return. But being possessed of a shade-tree diploma in human nature as I am, let me assure you that the Mullah’s although willing to create death and destruction on others including their own countrymen, are somewhat reluctant to see the prayer rug under their knees warmed by a thermo nuclear retalliation even from, and most especialy from Ron Paul with the consent of the Congress.

      • Pepper

        So we should go kill these “heathens” and their women and children first! Just in case they take over the world. Jimmy, you get on up to that front line.Or you could just go research for your self instead of just listening to all the propaganda and talking points.

      • eddie47d

        Sorry Jimmy those aren’t our countries to own or control. We are the United States of America not the United States of the Middle East. We have our own borders to live within and territory to protect. We have wore out our welcoming map in these Globalist conquests and the blow back has not been favorable.We shouldn’t be trying to export our religious beliefs anymore than we would want them to do it to us.It’s unbelievable that we try so hard in winning these new Crusades and like the first ones these Crusades are not winning friends but creating enemies. As far as those chemicals go they were sold to Iraq from France,Russia and the USA. So apparently we approved of them in people control.

      • Eve

        Actually if you go to Ron Paul’s site you can easily find what he intends for our military. It is to use the money that we have spent overseas and gained nothing from to build a military with new technology that would be used to DEFEND our country. He wants us to have the greatest military on the face of this earth. I would suppose he thinks we deserve this since all those foreign countries throw our efforts to help them back in our faces. Help only works if it is given by charities and people who wish to donate to them. The government has proven it is of little help to those in need. Most of the money winds up in the pockets of dictators and bureuocrats.

        • Tammy Wolff

          Well said.

      • Geno

        The core of the dear mongers beliefs rests on the notion that Muslims are determined to kill infidels.

        Here is where this comes from:

        Muslims have the belief that as of now, the world is a house of war Dar al-Harb & till it accepts Islam it will remain so. Thus, the duty of every Muslim is to turn this “house of war” to a “house of peace” Dar as-Salam.

        Now how do they achieve it? The Quran provides them with a solution. i.e kill non Muslims if they refuse Islam.

        “Muhammad said, ‘You are commanded to carry out jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam’ ” (Qur’an 47:4)

        Qur’an (8:12) & 107 other verses in the Quran echo the same message of Jihad.

        Muslims are also given the assurance that if they kill non Muslims they will get eternal rewards.

        Quran (9.111): Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they FIGHT IN HIS CAUSE, AND SLAY AND ARE SLAIN: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

        Verses like Qur’an (4:74) & many others speak of eternal rewards.

        So basically Muslims don’t care even if they die while doing their Jihad because Allah has promised an eternal reward for them. Muslims that follow Islam are very faithful towards their religion & they believe that whatever is there in the Quran is for real. This is Santorum’s belief.

        But is all this fear mongering justified?

        This is not the belief of most Muslims.

        Actually the “Muslims must kill infidels” mentality is taken out of context and taken to fundamentalist levels called “Jihad” (misinterpreted as “holy war”), but most Muslims believe in the code within the Qu’ran which stipulates that it is not okay to harm “people of the book”. “People of the book” are Jews and Christians, the Islamic faith is based on the Old and New testament, the Qu’ran is written as an additive with many of the same characters and beliefs, even Jesus is in the Qu’ran….”jihad” actually means “to struggle.” The truth is Muslims are commanded to struggle in their faith just like all the other “people of the book.”

        Always keep in mind that people are people and fundamentalism is everywhere. Please don’t let a stereotype ruin your understanding of a vast group of people.

        The idea of killing infidels actually came out of the sect of Muslims in Saudi Arabia. And we are allies with Saudi Arabia! Go figure!

        Now that doesn’t mean there are some fundamentalist Muslims who do want to kill infidels. And the CIA is quick to exploit those people. But this no different than the fact that some Christians want to kill Muslims or some Jews want to kill Muslims. However, to classify an entire group of people is ignorant and racist.

        Most Muslims are peaceful and rational people. In fact, the reason most conflict is happening in the Middle East is not because of religion (although some is), but rather because of rampant poverty and oppression.

        Americans have been taught to believe the opposite, however, so that those in power can justify aggression to further their own agendas (e.g., New World Order and the Military Industrial Complex). In addition, if we are constantly living in fear (i.e. of terror or drugs or whatever) then we become dependent on those in power for our own safety. Most of the time threats are constructed not out of rationality or logic, but out of a need to keep the majority of people in fear and to facilitate dependency. That’s why we have the Patriot Act and the NDAA.

        Consider this fact: There’s 1.2 billion Muslims in the world today. If even a small percentage of those people (say 1% or 12 million) were actively engaged in wanting to kill Christians, don’t you think we’d be in big trouble? So what does the math allow us to conclude?

        That the very vast majority of Muslims just go on with their daily lives and have better things to do, like most other people on Earth, than to plot ways to kill this or that perceived enemy.

        So don’t let politicians with an agenda turn you into the obsessive minority of humans that is ultimately causing all the problems. In my opinion, Santorum is a war monger. Remember, he was on the Defense appropriations committee. Do you think he has an agenda?

        Ask yourself who benefits from endless wars against Muslims? The Military Industrial Complex! Our young men and women are sent to risk life and limb to fight a hyped up enemy so a few people can get rich from the profits of war.

        Murder is a major sin in Islam! The only circumstance in which a Muslim is allowed to kill someone is in self defense, as it is in America. Muslims are not out to kill anyone. Also there is no such thing as ‘holy war’ in Islam. “Jihad’ just means ‘struggling’. The only reason there were so many wars in the prophet Muhammad’s time was because the non-Muslims were the ones killing the Muslims. So in other words it was just self defense on their part.

        “Dispute not, unless in kindly sort, with the Christians and the Jews; save with such of them as have dealt wrongfully with you: And say ye, ‘We believe in what hath been sent down to us and hath been sent down to you. Our God and your God is one, and to him are we self-surrendered” (Quran 29:45).

        If Muslims are not allowed to even dispute with Christians, unless “in kindly sort”, then how are they allowed to just go around and slaughter them?

        I believe most of the terrorism we see is sponsored by the CIA. There are some ignorant “Muslims” who actually believe the Jihad is a Holy War and are persuaded to carry out the CIA’s agenda. There is a lot of proof of that. In fact, Al-Qaeda was created by the CIA during the Afgan war against Russia. Osama Bin Laden was a CIA asset. Terrorism is the perfect enemy the U.S. needed to convince the people to give up their liberty for security. Hence the unconstitutional Patriot Act and the NDAA, which makes every American a Terror suspect. Santorum will not repeal the patriot Act. In fact, he wants to strengthen it and take away more of our liberty.

        In my opinion, the Constitution should always be first. If we compromise our Constitution to defend ourselves from terrorism then the terrorists have already beat us!

        • Karolyn

          Thank you so much for that wonderful and logical post. Unfortunately, those warmongering Muslim-haters among us won’t even read it; or if they do, won’ pay it any mind.

        • TML

          Good post!

        • BigBadJohn

          Geno says “In my opinion, the Constitution should always be first. If we compromise our Constitution to defend ourselves from terrorism then the terrorists have already beat us!”

          Absolutely agree, however, when emotions get mixed in with the thought process anything can happen.

          “But we will not allow this enemy to win the war by changing our way of life or restricting our freedoms.” – George Bush

          who of course went on to push for homeland security act, TSA, Two wars, suspension of Habeius corpus and lets not forget illegal wire taps…..

          • JeffH

            BBJ :) “But we will not allow this enemy to win the war by changing our way of life or restricting our freedoms.” – George Bush

            You betcha life has changed and our leaders(past & present) have led the charge to change it and not for the benefit of the people.

          • independent thinker

            “…….who of course went on to push for homeland security act, TSA, Two wars, suspension of Habeius corpus and lets not forget illegal wire taps…..”

            I am not aware of a poster on this site who denys Bush’s part in bringing us those things. However, there are some who condime Bush for them while ignoreing obama’s complicity in them and his expanding them now that he is president.

        • Millicent

          Tell that to Ron Paul a serial violater of Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution for 24 lackluster years in Congress. He is aka Porkulus Paul because he brings home the bacon. Ron Paul is just another career politician and lower than a lot of them. He is pure trash and a threat to our nation. This garbage pile is to the left of the Kenyan.

          • Geno

            Milli: Where do you get your info? I think you are being intellectually dishonest here. Ron Paul explained on several debates exactly what he does when bills are proposed. The key is in the Constitution, as you claim to know: The Feds do not have money that does not come from the states or the printing press. Ron Paul does his job within the constraints of a corrupt system to ensure tax payer money is returned to his constituents where it belongs. It is unfortunate that he has to resort to ear marks to accomplish this but it is what it is. When he is president I am sure he will make some change so this kind of thing is not necessary.

        • http://n/a sheepdog

          You’re very slick, Geno. Have you been practicing taqiyya for long? Most that read your comments will accept them as learned commentary, out of ignorance.
          You and I both know that Islam is derived not only from the Koran, but the Hadith and Siri, as well. This forms the triad. Furthermore, that Sharia is the law of Islam and is inviolate.
          Taqiyya means sacred deception and is encouraged to be practiced on Kafirs (non-muslims) as you well know. Most non-muslims, unfortunately, do not understand that it is acceptable for Muslims to lie and deceive non-muslims in all things.
          You say jihad is merely a struggle. In Bukhari 4, 52, 268 Mohammed said, “Jihad is deceit.” Could it be that you’re practicing jihad as well as taqiyya.
          You and I both know that Islam cannot be compared to Christianity for the simple reason that Islam is a complete civilization with a detailed political system, religion and a legal code–the Sharia.
          Jihad is political action with a religious motivation.
          Political Islam is the doctrine that deals with the non-Muslim.
          Sharia Law is the political implementation of the Islamic civilization.

          HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE, GENO:
          Article 6 of the US Constitution states that the Constitution is the highest law of the land and cannot be subjugated to any other legal code.
          Sharia claims it is the highest law in the world and that all other legal codes must submit to Islamic law.
          Every time Sharia law is implemented in the USA it is in direct violation of the US Constitution.

          Yea, you’re slick; but not quite slick enough, Geno.

          • Geno

            Sheepdog: Not slick, just looking for the truth. You reference a few fundamentalist’s ideas. I studied the Old Testament, New Testament and Koran. In my opinion they are all ravings of primitive thought processes that we should all abandon. The world would be a better place without the hate filled rhetoric of these convoluted tomes.

            But if what you say is true then the Muslims already won! They have succeeded at turning American into land of fearful robots who are willing to shred the Constitution to be saved from the evil bogeyman. Instead of the land of the free and the home of the brave we have become the land of the slaves and the home of the cowards.

            If you follow statistics, the 1.2 billion Muslims out there should be able to wipe Western civilization off the face of the map. Why don’t they? Are these 1.2 billion Muslims being unfaithful to the law?

            If we are so afraid of the Muslim bogey man our leaders should be reinforcing the 2nd Amendment. They should be making laws that require us to get armed and trained. After all, we must all join in the fight to beat the Islamic threat.

            If you look at our record in the past 10 years I think our military needs help. Those impoverished cave dwellers seem to be very good at warfare. Two of the most powerful military nations have failed to beat them! Why is that? Does Military Industrial Complex and war profits have something to do with it?

            As Ron Paul said: If we want war then let’s declare war and beat them and get it done!

            This is why Ron Paul is so important to our future. By focusing our defense budget on building a strong military here at home we have the ability to stop any threats. We can deploy an effective defense any where in the world in a matter of minutes. How many subs does Iran have? How many nuclear warheads and long range missiles? And if we make better use of our defense budget, as Ron Paul proposes, we can leverage advanced technologies to make any enemy stand down. And we can do this without the help of the TSA or NDAA. We can strengthen our borders. And if every American carries a weapon with them on every flight what terrorist would dare hijack a plane?

            What do Americans have to fear but an overreaching government that over spends and over taxes and is a busy body in world affairs?

          • vicki

            A strong military (that would be the standing army that we have and our forefathers warned us against) will not protect us for what are a few against the many. Our strength came from the WHOLE of the PEOPLE being armed and dangerous. THAT is why the 2nd Amendment. It’s about defense of the People from all enemies both foreign and domestic.

            Thank God for the Oathkeepers.org and the fine people in our military who know that their allegiance is to the Constitution above the CIC and even Congress.

          • professor

            sheepdog you have got the geno by the yang.

        • professor

          Geno, good try covering up for what you call, “peace loving muslins.” I must have imagined those planes flying into the Twin Towers, manned by muslim pilots! But, of course, it had to be the fault of our own CIA, they are the ones really doing the “killing” of Americans. How dare us think badly of muslinms that have hated infidels (us) for as long as we can remember.

          But, the muslims hate a lot of people. They even hate other muslims.
          Iraq shouldn’t even be called a country as it is made up of “waring tribes” that have fought and killed each other for Centuries and will continue to fight each other until the end.. But, again, we must not be so hard on these “rational muslims” maybe the men are just frustrated since they have very few “dates.”

          Then, you brought up the fact that muslims are “upset” because they are oppressed and indigent.. Don’t remember my having much to do with that… Maybe if muslims stopped the fighting long enough, they could start up one or two businesses, hire a few employees, or sell a little more oil. They could get a few more Trillion in US Dollars. Just a suggestion…

          Or, the leaders could do what some other ME countries do. The oil money is split among all the citizens making everyone rich. None of the Kuwaities work, for example. They hire people from other countries to do all the labor..like building their palaces and such.
          Possibly other ME countries could follow that example and the indigent could forget about killing Americans to work-off their anger.
          Just another thought.

          Oh, and I am so sorry to hear that the poor, peaceful muslimns like mohammed, were just minding their own business and the Christians kept trying to kill them! How awful that must have been. We should give them reparations, at least! Those rational people like mohammed had to suffer undo mental anguish…

          Now, we keep bothering the peaceful muslims because our politicians need something to do… They just “pick” on the poor muslinms until they have to fight back… we should be so ashamed of ourselves. Those people are minding their own business, bombing our embassies, and barracks and we never did them the “honor” of declaring war on them. Shame on us..

          And, to TML, you said that Christians worship Jesus as God.. Not true!
          Cut us a little slack. Evidently you are not Christian, probably an atheist. Christians know the difference between God and Jesus… At least when I pray, I pray to God…no one else!

          Oh yes, TML, usually it is sexual perverts that would think U.S. laws against homosexuality are “barbaric.” Frankly, I am not sure which American laws could be called “barbaric.” If you want real barbarism go to the Middle East and test their laws against homosexuals. I believe that you will find the muslinms a little more eager to enforce their laws “man-boy love.” I am not sure how they dispose of homosexuals but I bet that it isn’t pleasant..

          • Laura G.

            Professor,thank you for saying what needed to be said.

          • TML

            “good try covering up for what you call, “peace loving Muslims.” I must have imagined those planes flying into the Twin Towers, manned by Muslim pilots!”

            Immediately you show that your emotions have compromised your judgment by allowing the few radicals in those plans, to speak for entire nationS of Islam.

            “And, to TML, you said that Christians worship Jesus as God.. Not true!”

            Doctrine of the Trinity… it is true.

            Oh yes, TML, usually it is sexual perverts that would think U.S. laws against homosexuality are “barbaric.”

            Laws based on religious moral values which violate individual liberty are tyrannical. Believing that doesn’t make me a sexual pervert.

          • professor

            TML a very weak response…thought you could do better..

            BTW, this is a Christian nation and our laws are based on Christian values…just in case you have forgotten!!

            We don’t strap bombs on our kids and blow them up.

            We don’t cut off hands or arms as punishment.

            We don’t “stone” women to death or beat them when we have had a bad day.

            We don’t saw-off the heads of people we don’t like.

            We don’t mutilate women and girls.

            We don’t mutilate and disembowel our prisoners or give them a death of “one thousands cuts.”

            We don’t murder for “honor.”

            We don’t hide our soldiers behind women and kids and endanger their lives to hide the cowardly.

            And, your favorite, we don’t execute homosexuals.

            And, I know that “the holy ghost” you believe we Christians worship would not condone any of these barbaric acts.

          • Joseph

            What the professor conveniently left out:

            BTW, this is a Christian nation and our laws are based on Christian values…just in case you have forgotten!!

            1. We don’t strap bombs on our kids and blow them up, but we do send in un-manned drones and kill, indiscriminately, innocent civilians. We also prey on our children, for sexual purposes (porn-industry), we abort them by the thousands, we medicate them, we indoctrinate them through the education system to make them obedient, non-thinking, automatons, to serve the imperialistic, and insatiable greed of the State!

            We don’t cut off hands or arms as punishment, but we do rob, and oppress our citizens through our central banking system!

            2. We don’t “stone” women to death or beat them when we have had a bad day, but we do treat them as sexual objects. Islam and Muslims have long been accused of mistreating women. Whether it is by Orientalists, or the “average Joe” or Josephine relying on the media barrage of awful stereotypes to formulate his or her opinion. Muslim men are perceived as violent, cruel and barbaric towards women in general, but especially towards their own wives, daughters and sisters.

            The fact is that such disgusting behavior does occur in the Muslim world, for many of the same reasons it occurs in the United States: a cycle of abuse in the family, socio-economic factors and jealousy.

            However, what could be said to distinguish women’s mistreatment in the Muslim world is the general lack of Islamic education amongst men and women about day-to-day matters, including the roles and rights of women. Mistreatment and abuse of women, and wives in particular is condemned by Islam.

            Consider the following Hadith narrated by Abu Huraira in Tirmidhi: the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said,”The one most perfect in his faith is he whose conduct is best and the best amongst you is he who behaves best towards his wife.”

            3. We don’t saw-off the heads of people we don’t like, no, we just bomb the sh*t out of them!

            4. We don’t mutilate women and girls, but you may ask; HOW MANY ABUSED
WOMEN ARE THERE IN THE U.S.?
Women age 12 or older annually sustained almost 5
million violent victimizations in 1992 and 1993.

Women and girls ages 12 and up annually reported about 500,000 rapes and sexual assaults, almost 500,000 robberies, and about 3.8 million assaults.

WHO ARE THE ABUSERS
In 29% of all violence against women by a lone offender, the perpetrator was an intimate (husband,ex-husband, boyfriend or ex-boyfriend).

Women annually reported about 500,000 rapes and sexual assaults Friends or acquaintances of the victims committed over half of these rapes or sexual assaults. Strangers were responsible for about 1 in 5.

HONOR KILLINGS IN AMERICA?
Of the 5328 women murdered in 1990, FBI data indicate that about half or more of them by a husband or boyfriend.

VIOLENCE AMONG COUPLES
A minimum of 16 % of American couples experienced an assault during the year they were asked about it, and about 40% of these involved severely violent acts, such as kicking, biting, punching, choking, and attacks with weapons.

A 1993 national poll found that 34% of adults in the United States report having witnessed a man beating his wife or girlfriend and that 14% of women report that a husband or boyfriend has been violent with them.

THE PHYSICAL DAMAGE
CAUSED TO WOMEN AND CHILDREN BY ABUSE
During the last decade, domestic violence has been identified as one of the major causes of emergency room visits by women.

From 20% to 30% of the women who are seen by emergency room physicians exhibit at least one or more symptoms of physical abuse.

10% of the victims were pregnant at the time of abuse.

10% reported that their children had also been abused by the batterer.



            5. We don’t mutilate and disembowel our prisoners or give them a death of “one thousands cuts.” But, A federal judge in 1999 concluded that US prisons were pervaded by a “culture of sadistic and malicious violence.” In 1995, a federal judge found a stunning pattern of staff assaults, abusive use of electronic stun devices guns, beatings, and brutality at Pelican Bay Prison in California, and concluded the violence “appears to be open, acknowledged, tolerated and sometimes expressly approved” by high ranking corrections officials.
            In recent years, U.S. prison inmates have been beaten with fists and batons, stomped on, kicked, shot, stunned with electronic devices, doused with chemical sprays, choked, and slammed face first onto concrete floors by the officers whose job it is to guard them. Inmates have ended up with broken jaws, smashed ribs, perforated eardrums, missing teeth, burn scars—not to mention psychological scars and emotional pain. Some have died.
            Both men and women prisoners—but especially women—face staff rape and sexual abuse. Correctional officers will bribe, coerce, or violently force inmates into granting sexual favors, including oral sex or intercourse. Prison staff have laughed at and ignored the pleas of male prisoners seeking protection from rape by other inmates.

            6. We don’t murder for “honor.” We only murder for money!

            7. We don’t hide our soldiers behind women and kids and endanger their lives to hide the cowardly. But we do send our soldiers to die over unnecessary, and fabricated wars!

            8. And, your favorite, we don’t execute homosexuals. No, we don’t execute homosexuals, but we condone and encourage the lifestyle, because damn it, we’re a Christian Nation!

            And, I know that “the holy ghost” you believe we Christians worship would not condone any of these barbaric acts.

            Amen professor!

      • DaveH

        Apparently, Jimmy, you have not taken the time to figure out that for every action there is a reaction. We’ve caused the death of a couple of hundred thousand muslims, and they’ve cause the death of less than 20,000 of our people and most of them were messing around in the Muslims’ countries. What do you expect?
        Face the facts, Jimmy, you and your like-minded cohorts are the Aggressors.

        • SM ISAC

          Excuse me, but could you point us to some facts to back up your claim that US is responsible for a couple of hundred thousands death in the Muslim countries.

          Bob Livingston also states in this article that 600,000 Iraqi children have been murdered by the US/allies. I keep hearing these numbers, but never real sources to support these claims.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston
          • Vigilant

            SM ISAC ays, “Bob Livingston also states in this article that 600,000 Iraqi children have been murdered by the US/allies.”

            (1) Bob Livingston didn’t state that, he was quoting Bin Laden in a 1996 interview.

            (2) Bin Laden didn’t use the word “murdered,” he said “deaths,” in reference to UN sanctions against Iraq.

            (3) Mr. Livingston cites a December 1995 article that refers to Sarah Zaldi’s comments from the Center for Economic and Social Rights, a socialist organization that believes in “social justice” (where have we heard that before?).

            (4) No mention of the deaths of children under the “Oil for Food” program, in which Hussein’s henchmen took the money and used it for personal enrichment or military purposes. Sanctions or no sanctions, those children would have died anyway.

          • DaveH

            This is just Iraq, SM, do you need more?
            http://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/numbers/2011/

          • professor

            SM, I don’t know about you but I don’t believe everything just because it is on the internet. There is way too much propaganda by the Marxist left…. Our friggin history books are even being “rewritten” for G’s sake!

            There are people that don’t like America and they want to blame America for everything bad that happens in the world.

            OK, then, stop taking our money!

            Stop calling us when you need food and medical care, don’t bother us when there is a natural disaster! Keep your hands in your pockets and quit extending them wanting Billions of our nasty American dollars. And, don’t call us up when your neighbors invade your village and try to kill you. If you want police protection, we can send you a list of fees for the services of the U. S. Military! Soldiers don’t die for free anymore, and if they are wounded on your job, there will be a miscellaneous fee added to your bill.

            And to those people that live in America and still hate her, I bet there are a few of us that would help you pack and get you on the bus.

      • http://www.personalliberty.com Patrick Corrigan

        I agree we are definately involved in other countries affairs way too much. But, Iran is not just another country. That country is a loose cannon and its people do need some help. I also do not trust Muslims in general. I don’t want a lot of them living in my country. They do not get along with each other very well and I can imagine them carrying on there hatred against each other right here in our country. It seems not even they want to live in a theocracy. I certainly do not want the problems that England has.

        • DaveH

          Nor is Afghanistan just another country, or Iraq, or North Korea, or Pakistan,….
          There is always an excuse that arm-chair warriors will buy from the self-serving Leaders. The reality (with the possible exception of Afghanistan) is that the United States are the Aggressors. Our Leaders are the same kind of people who would be used by our Leaders as an excuse to attack another country.
          There is only one excuse for killing another human being and that is self-defense. It doesn’t matter whether it’s done by individual citizens or People in Government, Murder is Murder. It’s high time we quit letting our self-serving Sociopathic Leaders lead us around by the noses, and it’s high time we quit excusing away immorality just to satisfy our blood-lust.

          • George E

            DaveH,

            I interpret your remarks as being based on the assumption that the US has a record of invading other countries for the purpose of controlling them. If that is correct, I don’t see enough evidence to agree with this notion. I do see the US taking military action where it believes its strategic interests are at stake. While the difference may not be obvious to everyone, to me the primary difference is that we don’t often install and maintain puppet governments for long periods in countries where we have our military forces, and tax those countries or take their resources or assets for our benefit. If anything, it looks to me like more often than not we invest or simply give those countries a lot more money and things of value than we take from them. It hasn’t escaped my attention that countries that go to war with the US often come back economically stronger than they went into the war. I don’t see how that would happen if the US was simply in the business of conquering weaker nations for the purpose of controlling them.

          • DaveH

            George E,
            Read this book. When you have come to the realization that Leaders are self-serving deceitful people, then we can talk:
            http://mises.org/books/pearl_harbor_greaves.pdf

            FDR’s deceitful actions in WWII are just the tip of the iceberg. There have been false flag events to rally the citizens into almost every conflict we’ve been involved with. What kind of proof do you need? Perhaps you could do some studying at the wikileaks site to learn some reality about the Sociopathic Leaders’ motivations.

          • DaveH

            And, George, you say “I interpret your remarks as being based on the assumption that the US has a record of invading other countries for the purpose of controlling them”.
            Exactly why do you think we would invade any country militarily if it isn’t to control them? If the majority of their population feels they are being mistreated, don’t you think they could take care of their own problems? There are always two sides (or more) to every issue.

          • DaveH

            Here’s another one you should read, George, to better understand the nature of Propaganda:
            http://mises.org/books/whileyouslept.pdf

          • DaveH

            And this one would help you better understand the relationships between Politicians and their Crony Capitalists, and some of the methods they use to rip off the rest of us:
            http://www.amazon.com/Big-Ripoff-Business-Government-Steal/dp/0471789070/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326142610&sr=8-1

          • professor

            DaveH…”there is only one excuse for killing another human being and that is self-defence..”

            DaveH tell that to the muslims!

            You said that murder was against the law in muslim countries. It may be against the law, but “murder” isn’t even investigated, let alone prosecuted. Those people murder there own daughters and wives….and it is NOT against the law! Why would they be concerned about murdering someone other than a family member..like a slave (yes, there are slaves in the middle east.)

            Posters on this board have very little knowledge of the muslim world, I don’t care how many quotes you can make or how many links you can post. Just because people read a bunch of “garbage” from muslim apologists, it doesn’t mean they have the inside information on how muslims “take out the trash!”

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Jimmy D, Millicent and others hopelessly trapped in conventional wisdom,

        I give you this, which I’m sure you’ll ignore, just as you ignored what I presented above.

        http://consortiumnews.com/2012/01/06/how-propaganda-targets-iran/

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • Millicent

          Ron Paul should be Obama’s campaign manager. Fraud America hater lowlife. He will end up on the trash heap just like Henry Wallace did for his Antiamerican bs.

          • JC

            Exactly what part of Dr. Ron Paul’s pro-Constitutional policies bare anti-American?

          • JC

            bare should read- are

          • Jim C.

            JC: I’m afraid you have it backwards. Dr. Paul’s belief that the U.S. Military can only be engaged if Congress has issued a “Declaration of War” is absolutely false, i.e., “anti-Constitutional”, as is his desire to have an open borders policy. The primary purpose of the U.S. Constitution is to ensure the safety and security of the American people, i.e., the “common defense”. Any failure of the Federal government to do that violates the Constitution.

          • JeffH

            Jim C., What does our Constitution say about war? The Constitution divides war powers between the Congress and the President. This division was intended by the framers to ensure that wars would not be entered into easily: it takes two keys, not one, to start the engine of war.

            The Constitution’s division of powers leaves the President with some exclusive powers as Commander-in-Chief (such as decisions on the field of battle), Congress with certain other exclusive powers (such as the ability to declare war and appropriate dollars to support the war effort), and a sort of “twilight zone” of concurrent powers. In the zone of concurrent powers, the Congress might effectively limit presidential power, but in the absence of express congressional limitations the President is free to act. Although on paper it might appear that the powers of Congress with respect to war are more dominant, the reality is that Presidential power has been more important–in part due to the modern need for quick responses to foreign threats and in part due to the many-headed nature of Congress.

            ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8 – The Congress shall have Power: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water…

            ARTICLE II, SECTION 2 – The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States….

            He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur….
            http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/warandtreaty.htm

          • JeffH

            Jim C,. Ron Pauls border policy as stated…please tell me what is unconstitutional about RP’s position, on wars or the security of our borders? I suggest that you educate yourself first by reading exactly what Ron Paul’s position is regardin our border security and declaring war…
            http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/national-defense/

            * Make securing our borders the top national security priority.

            * Avoid long and expensive land wars that bankrupt our country by using constitutional means to capture or kill terrorist leaders who helped attack the U.S. and continue to plot further attacks.

            * Guarantee our intelligence community’s efforts are directed toward legitimate threats and not spying on innocent Americans through unconstitutional power grabs like the Patriot Act.

            * End the nation-building that is draining troop morale, increasing our debt, and sacrificing lives with no end in sight.

            * Follow the Constitution by asking Congress to declare war before one is waged.

            * Only send our military into conflict with a clear mission and all the tools they need to complete the job – and then

          • JC

            Jim C. says:

            January 9, 2012 at 5:47 pm

            JC: I’m afraid you have it backwards. Dr. Paul’s belief that the U.S. Military can only be engaged if Congress has issued a “Declaration of War” is absolutely false…
            ___________________________________________________________

            I’m not so sure that it’s Dr. Paul’s “belief” so much as his resolution that Congress “should” declare war before sending our troops overseas and then only with clearly defined goals.
            And I agree with him. Screw the UN and it’s puppet masters, I’m tired of spilling American blood for Globalists.

            _________________________________________________________________

      • Old Henry

        If all the nation building / democracy promoting / overseas military bases / bombing / warring / killing and maiming make us sooooo safe logic dictates we can eliminate DHS, CIA, FBI, the fascist un-Patriot Act, the NDAA, et al for they are completely unnecessary and un-needed. And we could save BILLIONS in the process, not to mention restoring our liberties.

        http://conservativebyte.com/2011/12/chinese-troops-on-american-soil/

        • professor

          Keep our military at home. Hire more spies!

          We need to close most of our military bases in foreign countries. We no longer need them and it has become nothing but “foreign welfare” to keep them open. In some countries the U.S. military’s monthly payroll keeps the countries afloat economically. We can use that money at home, put troops on our border, and buy more “smart missles.”

          • professor

            Correction:

            ….buy more “smart misses”……

            That should be …buy more “smart missiles.”

      • TrvlSEA

        He wouldn’t have been able to gas his own people if we hadn’t given (or sold) him the WMD’s in the first place. We encourage the instability which gives creedence to the radicals and debases our national security.

        A stable Middle East is to dangerous to the pocket books of powerful people.

      • http://gmail.com Sancheleezy

        Once you take your head out of your a__ and read the article concerning what his foreign policy really is instead of opening your big mouth and sticking your tongue out at anything that you truly do NOT understand. If y6ou really want to educate yourself even further, do yourself a favor (EVERYONE SHOULD) and read from cover to cover,the James W. Douglass book, “JFK and the UNSPEAKABLE”, WHY HE DIED AND WHY IT MATTERS”. It speaks specifically to the military industrial complex, especially the CIA/Pentagon that fought John Fitzgerald Kennedy on every issue from the Bay of Pigs, to Laos. to Vietnam, and even against their idea of preemptively attacking the Soviet Union. It ended with his assassination by those who felt threatened by his turn to peaceful solutions in foreign policy.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1207123702 marty

        apparently you haven’t taken the time either. Where did you get this information? I don’t recall Fox news reading the Koran on TV. I live in NYC where we have lots of Arabs and Muslims. I don’t remember one that I ever had words with, or were anything but nice. You should get your prejudiced head out of your butt. Then again, maybe you should leave it there, you’d probably be less dangerous to the world and you wouldn’t be able to sprout your racist garbage, either out of your mouth or your butt

      • Jay

        Jimmy, any religion, depending on the clergy, can be taken and radicalized, stood on its head, or used in such a way as to reflect the maniacal delusions of its leadership. Not all adherents, or proselytes, will necessarily follow in their, spiritual leaders, footsteps. Need i remind you of Christianity, and the awful crusades?

        • professor

          Hmmmmm, I thought the muslims fought the Christians in the Crusades. Didn’t realize that the Christians did all that fighting and the innocent muslimns didn’t life a finger against them…

          Really tired of hearing about the “bad Christians” and the peace-loving muslims. There are some of us that will help you all pack your suitcases and get on the plane to the Middle East where everyone is so nice! I will give you about “two minutes” to be begging to get back in this country!

          Oh, and the women absolutely are not safe to go to Saudi Arabia….muslims don’t tolerate any woman from anywhere, running around thinking she is a “real person.” Sharia law is enforced with great gusto.. This is the only country left in the world where women are not allowed to drive a car..

      • James

        I didn’t see any quotation marks.

      • Mary

        I’m happy I’m not from any part of the Muslim world. I feel really sorry for the women there. They will never change. I like Ron Paul because he knows that. He can not say the whole truth because is political incorrect. Let the Muslim take care of themselves. We don’t need to send our children to war to die for nothing. Ignorance is killing us.

      • Mark Are

        Let me see…Do you believe the BIBLE? Well if you do, here is a good one for you…Jesus just tells everyone: (Luke 6:27-36)[27] “But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, [28] bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. [29] If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. [30] Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. [31] Do to others as you would have them do to you. [32] “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ love those who love them. [33] And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ do that. [34] And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ lend to ‘sinners,’ expecting to be repaid in full. [35] But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. [36] Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. And then a few sentences later says “But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” -Luke 19:27…Hmmmm…sounds like either a major contradiction or possibly Christianity is a VERY VIOLENT religion that wants to kill Muslims. I think that it is a violent religion. Just look at what has been done in the name of it since it was “revealed”. ME? I’ll take Thomas Paine’s religion any day over ALL the worlds revealed religions…THE WORLD is my COUNTRY, MANKIND are my brothers and TO DO GOOD is my religion. Trash the rest.

        • professor

          Mark, you have to have some sense when it comes to interpreting the Bible. But, I am glad for your input. It has given me a purpose.

          The Lord your God, whether you like it or not, never meant for Christians to “tremble in the presence of their enemies.” Christians must protect their families and their right to freedom. It is more important than ever. Christian are not to stand-by, waiting for someone else to save them, never yielding their own swords. They no longer must accept masters, as in biblical times.

          Christianity was not meant to make men weak! Christian are not called to bow at the waist and obey their enemies. Rather, being Christian makes men strong enough to act with honor, instead of becomimg barbarians. Nor, are Christians called to give away their wealth to criminals that would take all Christians have, and take it without guilt. That is not what is meant by the quotes to which you referred. You miss the point of what was written, in my opinion.

          Time is now when Christians must fight (in many ways) to keep our religion from being obliterated from the face of the earth. This country and many of its citizens will face the wrath of God for turning away from Him. And, believe me, I am not a religious fanatic, no matter what it sounds like! But, I enjoyed living in a moral country that guaranteed my freedom. Now I see what is happening to this country! It made me realize how bad thing have gotten. There wasn’t a way that America could have been taken prisoner (some of us still think they are free) by our enemies if evil had not entrenched itself in many men. Everyone must come to realize that there truly is a battle between good and evil happening in America. All must choose a side and soon. No one will be allowed to “sit it out.” (And, for those of you that don’t care for religion, it will come to most before things are over. Til then maybe you can just fight for your right to enjoy and live free….)

      • Sharif

        “The total number of people killed during WW1 (including civilians) was 16.5 million

        Eight million soldiers, including more than 50,000 Americans died. An estimated 12 million civilians died. German’s losses 1,700,000 killed and over 4,200,000 wounded. France had 1,300,000 deaths and over 4,200,000 wounded.

        The total number of people killed during WW1 (including civilians) was 16.5 million

        And 50-70 million killed in World War 2
        Estimates range from about 50-70 million killed in World War 2. The Wikipedia article “World War II Casualties” favours the relatively high figure of 72 million. Of these, 61 million were on the Allied side and 11 million were on the Axis side. The article gives a figure of 23 million dead for the Soviet Union and 20 million for China. These figures of course include civilian dead. (Note that the figure for China was recently revised sharply upwards from earlier estimates of about 11 million).

        For Germany the overall total is given as just under 7.4 million

        Can Jimmy.D and other tell how many of 88 Millions were killed by Islamist or Muslims during WW1 & WW2? America and its Allies have killed millions of Muslims in Iraq and Afganistan. Do not they have right to kill you in revenge as you did with them. Sooner or later the Nature is going to take revenge from all those who have committed these crimes. Nature has its own way to take the revenge of the innocents who are being killed by America and its Allies! WAIT & SEE!

      • Jay

        Jimmy says: Apparently Michael J and various others have not taken the time to actually read the Koran and see what it says about anyone who does not adhere to Islam and Sharia law. We are to die, preferably minus our heads.

        Jimmy, you should read what the “Council of Trent” says regarding heretics. Are you at all familiar with the counter-reformation(Council of Trent) movement? Probably not.

    • ralph herman

      What is Dr.Paul doing in office?Is his patients cured or dead?He is an antisimite and who knows what else.The idiot coward Bush was quoted is that the best you got the father of this recession that we are finally being brought out of.Bin Ladin is dead and who sent the Seals in and made our country safer.

      • Brian

        Ralph Herman – you need to put your thoughts down in a more concise way…The way you have chosen is practically unreadable…

        • http://www.personalliberty.com Patrick Corrigan

          RP doesn’t have to win the presidency, he has already won a lot. He has opened up a lot of eyes including mine. He is consistently the most honest and clear speaker on stage. He points out very clearly that our worst enemy is ourselves. We need to control our own spending and our own lives and then maybe we will deserve some respect from others.

          • DaveH

            Right on, Patrick.

          • JeffH

            Patrick Corrigan, right on! Ron Paul is the only candidate that has it right…adhere to the supreme laws of the land, of the Constitution.

            Bob Livingston, once again Thank You for your contributions of truth.

          • John Lilleburns ghost

            Exactly

      • Mark Are

        Let me get this straight…so if Ron Paul wants to remove ALL foreign aid he is somehow an “anti semite”. But if the rest of the gang want to blow up all the rest of the brown people in the middle east somehow that is “ok”? And Paul’s followers are the kool aid drinkers? Say what?

    • Bill Lee

      If you vote for RP as an independent you are voting to hand Obama the election and end our country. It will end as Perot did and the bad guys win. I can’t understand your logic. He should give it his best shot in the GOP. Frankly, Perry, Santorum and Paul should hand Gingrich the reigns and let him take out Romney and then Obama. He’s the only true conservative with a record that proves it. Right now the anit-Romney crowd is too crowded and will end-up handing the nomination to Romney and then….well it’s all over.

      • Michael J.

        Bill Lee,
        Are you aware of Democrat support for Ron Paul which would come into play in the general election?

        • Pepper

          Oh and don’t forget the “independents” and just plain tired of the same thing from Both parties!

          • Eve

            This is true a growing number of fence sitters, Dems, etc..are now following Ron Paul. In Iowa they saw the greatest number of ‘first time’ voters they saw in years in support of Ron Paul.

        • Karolyn

          After watching just part of the debates Saturday night, this democrat is even more determined to spread the word about Ron Paul. Rommney is looking like ing George these days; and Santorum is just plain scary!

          • Flashy

            Huntsman would give Pres. Obama a run for the money. The rest will just be fodder for the talking heads on how bad the margin will be in the Obama landslide.

          • Buster the Anatolian

            Huntsman’s family are major obama/democrat supporters that alone is reason have reservations about him. Huntsman has also praised obama and his policies, another reason to have reservations. Since you are an obama worshiper and support Huntsman that is evidence enough to conclude Huntsman is an obama clone or very near to one and definately not the candidate to vote for.

      • Millicent

        Gary Johnson is running as a Libertarian, strike Dr. Dementia from that line. If by some insanity this lowlife were to try and run as an independent, Donald Trump would beat him to it. So much for lowlife pile of trash Dr. Dementia. How many Obama trolls do you think are voting for this garbage pile? In the end they will desert him and his following will be down to the 1% lunatic fringe where it really is. RON PAUL A LYING LOWLIFE AMERICA HATER. Despicable piece of trash.

        • eddie47d

          Ron Paul loves America more than any other Presidential candidate and that includes Obama when it comes to foreign policy. The other candidates ( not sure about Huntsman) are DEADLY to say the least. The lust for war is entrenched within every breath they take. Foreign entanglements is their motto and conquests are their creed. Enough is enough!

          • FreedomFighter

            Ron Paul 2012

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

        • Pepper

          Millicent,

          You seem to have a really hateful attitude. Please tone it down a notch. If you’d spend less time calling names and more time studying actual history, you might learn something.

        • Geno

          Milli: Your ignorance is obvious!

        • Karolyn

          OMG! What is your problem?

        • Average Joe

          Millicent,

          Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012!!!!

          ;)

        • Average Joe

          Millicent,
          RON PAUL /ANDREW NAPOLITANO 2012!!!!

        • Angel Wannabe

          Millicent, Fairly typical paid troll to stir the pot, but with a Big Heepin’ Helping side dish of THE NASTIES…Have a Nice Day! :)

        • Mark Are

          PPPPLEEEZZZZEEEE tell me that you had your tubes tied so the world will be spared any of your offspring that would be as low and sick in the head as you are.

      • DaveH

        Obama would end our country? Maybe, Bill, but who else but Ron (or Gary Johnson) would make any effort to change the conditions that have gotten us here in the first place?
        I heard that same kind of useless drivel when Jimmy Carter had trashed our economy. And guess what? Our Government just kept growing, like a slow cancer.
        It amazes me that the majority of our Founders could have been so much wiser two hundred years ago than the majority of our citizens are now. That on top of a much greater struggle on their parts just to survive. They gave their lives for Freedom, and most of us can’t even be bothered to study and vote intelligently to keep ours. We should be ashamed of ourselves.

      • Millicent

        Absolutely correct. Gingrich is the only one who can take Obama out. He has an outstanding record as Speaker. Obama’s supporters are using Dr. Dementia. They reregister or vote as Independents in the primaries to make it look like he has support. In reality, when these Obama people drop out and go back to the Kenyan, Dr. Dementia’s supporters will drop down to the fringe 1% nutjobs that actually support this pile of trash. He is Obama’s best weapon.

        • Average Joe

          Millicent,

          Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012!!!!

        • eddie47d

          You seem to be Gingrich’s best weapon and also a believer in more foreign entanglements Millicent. Ron Paul attracts Independents and those sick of the continual parade of those supporting the same old broken polices.

        • JeffH

          Millicent, you must be a plant for the GOP! What is it you will lose if Ron Paul becomes POTUS? Your GOP job maybe but not your freedoms.

          • JeffH

            Millie…actually you can’t lose anything that you haven’t already lost…your mind! :)

        • http://deleted Claire

          Gingrich??? You mean the con-artist? Good grief. He couldn’t be faithful to his own wives, let alone be faithful to America and all Americans. “Trust” means a lot to most people. Gingrich is one guy I would never trust in a million years. And you refer to Ron Paul as Dr. Dementia??? Perhaps you better take a Prozac and calm down. You are fighting a losing battle on this site.

          • Karolyn

            No Newt is good Newt!

          • JeffH

            Karolyn :)

          • Mark Are

            She’s already the Prozak poster child. Don’t get her to take any more because she might go off into some school yard somewhere with an AK. (^^^)

      • TrvlSEA

        I call BS on that comment.

        Gallup put out a new poll that I received in my inbox this morning.

        40% of voters are registered Independent
        31% Democrat
        27% Republican

        Saying that he cannot win is untrue. Also, if you search poll after poll, you will see that head to head, Ron Paul has the best chance of beating Obama.

        Quit being worked like a puppet…

        http://www.hulu.com/watch/165665/the-other-guys—clip—work-your-mouth-like-a-puppet

    • dan

      apparently Guy has not read the Torah (Old Testement)and realized
      that the Sharia/Koran basically mimics (with a few evil twists and turns) and is believed to have been derived from same. Barbarians
      are barbarians….haters gotta’ hate

      • Deerinwater

        LOL! funny, ~ people don’t want to accept all their parts or their origins. So they make up stuff! religion! That offers explanations and comfort and all is righteous in the shire, until you question it and find yourself deserving a label of scorn, an object of contempt.

      • Geno

        Imagine there’s no heaven…in my opinion religion is the root cause of all evil in the world! The NWO agenda exploits these religious zealots to achieve their agenda to control the world and turn us all into slaves. God did not create religion. Man created religion to control and subjugate other men. Man created politics to control and subjugate others. Religion and politics are opposite sides of the same coin.

        Now don’t misunderstand…there is a difference between religion and faith. This is what distinguishes the true Christian and the true Muslim from the fundamentalist zealots. Religion diminishes the glory of God. All religions are based on the same truths but these truths have been covered up in lies and self-serving agendas of religious leaders.

        I believe Ron Paul understands the core truth of Christianity. He has true faith. That is why you never hear him talking about is faith like Rick Perry or Santorum or others. We should always be wary of those who make a show of their “christian” values. These are the hypocrites and liars.

        • professor

          Geno you said that people who openly display their Christian values are “hypocrites and liars.” What does that make Tebow?

          Religion is not a crutch for weak-minded people! It takes a very strong person to live in this world and practice Christian values.
          Again, you can take Tebow, as an example. It would be much easier for him to “hide” his faith and not “offend” non-Christians. But he is a strong person and it is a good thing he is… I would not want to be one that criticizes a Christian like him. Whatever you want to call the “universal power” (God by any other name) it is there and you can tap into it, and it does bring rewards. For those that refuse to believe…too bad.

          One other thought. The NFL should be holding Tebow up as an example and set him on their “collective shoulders.” In the past they have heaped way too much praise on the “criminal elements” and so has the press!

        • professor

          Other thoughts to Geno…

          I fully understand your objection to “organized religion.” I have been disgusted by it many times.

          But, I do not think that religion is the scourge of the universe..or the cause of all bad that happens in the world.

      • Millicent

        The Islamists are waiting for the Mahdi to come and start a holy war against Israel and “people of the Book” as they call Christians. They await the Mahdi and the fake Jesus to war against the real Jesus. If Obama wins, we lose as he supports this being a Muslim himself. If Dr. Dementia runs as third party, then Obama wins. If Dr. Dementia by some insanity got the nomination we still lose as this Progressive Leftist is even more to the left than Obama. WWIII comes with either one.

        • Average Joe

          Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012!!!!

          • TrvlSEA

            I was thinking the same thing yesterday. Plus, Napolitano as VP would be an assassination deterrent.

    • Andee

      Michael,

      Do you feel, too that the dumbing down of Americans is to blame for their inability to think cognitively and rationally.What Dr. Paul suggests is completely right; I have many friends across the ponds and one of the single heartaches and complaints that I hear is: We wish America would keep their nose out of our country, our lives.

      Consider this: We poke our noses in where not wanted and this is what we do…we tell them, you need help in anything, we will help but you will do and live, run your country as we say…how fair is that and how right is that.

      Romney gets in, mark my word we will have another Obama four years and therefore not a nation..he cannot be trusted and he surely is not smart enough to get this nation out of the chaos it is in..it is going to take not only a very deep thinker, but also one that is willing to buck the status quo in Congress and in other areas of our government.

      Michael, do you not think: Ron is willing to work toward rescinding the Patriot Act (Americans live in fear of their government and fear leads to depression and depression leads to domestic violence and sometimes violence outside of the home), Patriot Act goes, TSA and Homeland will fade away….what these two departments are doing is illegal and Homeland is an illegal agency as I see it…then he is willing to go after and out of the UN…couple all of this together, freedom, freedom, return to feeling good about your country and the government, helps us want to reach out and move forward without fear of losing our lives and/or our little monies that we might have left, domestic violence recedes and people become hopeful and hope, hope can do a lot of things, that is for sure..we do not need Romney but you wait and see the RNC will force this culprit down our throats…he cannot think beyond the end of his nose and he walks with crap in his shoes.

      • Michael J.

        Andee,
        For the rationale behind the dumbing down of Americans and the planned breakdown of the American family culture, read up on “The Origin of Political Correctness”

        As for “poking our noses in the business of other countries”, The United States Military is the enforcement wing of the NWO agenda under the guise of protecting and spreading democracy.

        Romney is being groomed as Obama’s replacement by the Bilderberg roundtable elite in the ongoing process of world domination. Party affiliation has little meaning except to preserve the illusion of the peoples choice in the left-right paridigm mind game.

        I fully support Ron Paul, though his chances are faint. If he is however successful, he should be clad in Kevlar body armor even when visiting the restroom, and warned never to ride in open limosines past a school book depository.

    • Millicent

      So how do you feel about Dr. Dementia wanting to put Dennis Kucinich in a high gov’t position? Give me a real good excuse for this anti American lowlife I can hardly wait.

    • Old Henry
    • Vic Bailey

      Ron Paul COULD SAVE US ALL, as soon as the American people get their head out of their ass and QUIT believing the LIES of this SOCIALIST Government. How many times do the STUPID American people have to be LIED TO before they realize that this government hasn’t ever had the citizens best intrest in mind? These Bastards want blood and they don’t care who’s blood, they have proved that by killing thousands of our young men and women, and all about LIES, every war the US has been in since WWI they have ALL been started by a bunch of lies and FALSE Propaganda, and this Socialist Government is still doing it and keeping the citizens in the dark with MORE LIES. Ron Paul will try to stop the WAR CYCLE, STOP THESE LIARS, while we still have an America alive! Semper Fi.

    • vieteravet

      Yeah let Paul run as an independent, so we get 4 more years of the Nigerian monkey!

    • http://comcast the fisherman

      Yep we will put Ron Paul in the white house so it can match the white sheet that he has on his head as the Grand Master has

    • Stacey

      Bob Livingston, Excellent article article. Thanks

  • dg

    You’re confusing policy with execution. America leaders over the years have made many mistakes in execution but the biggest mistake of all would be an isolationist policy, ala Ron Paul. It would lead to more danger for America as well as the rest of the world. I agree with Paul’s domestic agenda for the most part but my view is that, if elected, he would move immediately on his foreign policy endangering America and never be able to implement his domestic policy due to a disagreeable Congress.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear dg,

      I’m not confusing anything. You are deluded if think the results of U.S. foreign policy are simply innocent mistakes.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • http://TimeWarnerRoadRunner Joyce

        Anyone who thinks we should be isolationists is living in a fantasy world. There will always be a country that has to help those who’s violent leaders, are killing, gassing, woodchipping, etc. their people to death. If I knew my next door neighbor was beating someone to death, I WOULD GET INVOLVED. How many Jews would have been saved if we had gone into WWII sooner, how many more Kerds would have been gassed or murdered if we had not gone in and stopped Sadam Hussein. There are reasons to go into war, and I’m not saying every war was warranted. We make mistakes, but saving others is warranted. I agree and think it is important to make our country more safe and secure our borders, but lets not live like isolationists, like nothing else matters in this world. That’s not America.

        • Karolyn

          I certainly understand where you are coming from; however, (and this was mentioned recently) why has the US not assisted those poor people in African nations who are being starved and slaughtered? We only assist countries that can possibly benefit our country in the long run. In an ideal world we would all be helping each other. unfortunately, where does our helping get us? The Iraquis, for the most part, couldn’t wait til we left. Their country was more secure when Sadam was alive. We cost them (and us) more lives, and now look where they’re headed. It was, and is, a lost cause unless the people themselves take responsibility for their own country. It is the same in any country where the people suffer. Their attitude is “This is my lot in life – so be it.” and nothing changes.

          • Vigilant

            “We only assist countries that can possibly benefit our country in the long run.”

            You mean like we helped Kosovo? Clinton’s/NATO’s illegal foray into that province simply made it safe for the Muslim terrorist funding/arms smuggling to proceed at an increased pace.

            But you are right about Africa. The massacres in Rwanda/Burundi will forever be a scar on this country (another Clinton fiasco).

        • Alex Frazier

          If you don’t mind me asking, Joyce, why must it always be the United States that steps in to fix the world? Can’t we have a small respite from murder and bankruptcy so we can get our own house in order, and let some of the other member nations of the UN take care of the problem?

          • Jodi

            Yes and amen to the comment about getting our own house in order first before we can have real resources to help those truly in need. We can’t aid those when we’re broke and in debt ourselves! All these years of war-mongering hasn’t helped and people want to continue this path of destruction? I know this is cliche, but truly…What. Would. Jesus. Do?

          • Robert

            When asked “what would Jesus do?” Jesus would do what he did do when he left heaven and took upon himself human flesh and became GOD-man, that is GOD with mankind. He grew up in a nation that was occupied by Rome. His country was under foreign nation domination. Ruled by brute force of the Roman Legions that killed at will.

            Jesus did not take up arms against Rome. He subjected himself to obeying the Law. Jesus being GOD, creator of the Universe, came to redeem his creation through his birth, death and resurection. Jesus came to Earth to defeat the Devil and he accomplished his mission. You and I now have access to the throne of GOD through, and only through, the name of JESUS. The Devil knows that his time is short so he is going to destroy everyone he can, anyway he can, and religion is his main way of doing it. Islam is a government as well as a religion. Its citizens are called Muslim. Its god is Allah, not Jesus who is the one true GOD and savior of the world. Its Judicial system is Shira Law. Its Constitution is the Koran. Its goal is world domination. Jesus came to give life and to give it more abundantely to everyone who repents of their sin and receives the free gift of life which is only found in Jesus – GOD the Son. Jesus came to give his life for his creation. Islam came to kill everyone who does not convert to its religious system and bow to Allah – god of this world system.

            Jesus told us to live at peace with everyone if at all possible. To love our enemies. To do good and not evil. The actions of governments are not always what Jesus would want them to do. The current world system is being influenced by both good and evil people. When righeous people are elected to office God says the people rejoice; but, sin is a reproach to any people. The election of 2012 may sound the death bell for America or a reprieve by the grace of God if righeous people are elected.

            May God forgive America and bless her people and bring peace to Israel and all Jerusalem – city of the great King, Jesus.

        • scott

          Yeah Joyce, let’s “save” the citizens of other countries the same way we “saved” the Iraqi people!

        • Michael J.

          Jotce,
          Let’s save our own counrty first. Until that’s accomplished, how can we even be credible?

        • cawmun cents

          Your nextdoor neighbor IS getting beaten to death,so where the(expletive deleted)are you?
          I tell you,some peoples children……-CC.

        • Pepper

          Seems here that people get confused NOT KNOWING the DIFFERENCE between “ISOLATIONIST” and “NON-INTERVENTIONIST”. Please refer to a dictionary. And if you want more wars, please send yourself and children to the front line. If any of you believe that we are in these countries for peace and not their oil, you are very foolish. Companies are making money off of these wars while Americans are paying with their money and lives.If you want to “SUPPORT the TROOPS” listen to what THEY are saying since THEY have a front row seat and SEE what is really going on!

          • Mark in LA

            Pepper, they know the difference. It has been explained to them over and over and the lies are still repeated by the same “people”. They are using the big lie technoques. Notice that they spew the same thing without any facts or links to back it up. They are on the payroll of AIPAC or the RNC.

        • Eve

          Not isolation but intervention…can you not understand the difference?

        • eddie47d

          There is this myth that Ron Paul is an isolationists when what he really wants is an even stronger America who will always have the capabilities of defending itself. Ron Paul wants us to trade throughout the world through civilized means not by military intervention.He wants free trade between nations and deals negotiated through proper channels not by military decree.

          • Millicent

            Dr. Dementia hates America if you would open your ears to hear what this pile of garbage is saying. I wouldn’t let this vile corrupt lowlife into my house to clean the toilet, let alone vote for him. He is as EVIL as Obama

          • Average Joe

            Millicent,

            Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012!!!!!

          • eddie47d

            Now we have a full fledged Ron Paul hater(Millicent) in our midst to go along with all the Obama haters. More “joyful” puke to have a battle with. I have been accused of being a troll but you take the cake and are now crowned Queen troll. Your anger and misinformation is more than hysterical and very disingenuous.

        • http://mine d:-)

          Do you even know ANYTHING about history? How do you think Sadam Hussein got into power? WE put him there overthrowing the previous leader!!! Rumsfeld was there, there are pics of him shaking hands with sadam!! You, like most of amerika are blinded and don’t have any self-discipline to research and find the truth, just keep blathering and repeating what you hear on tv and radio….

        • DaveH

          Joyce says “If I knew my next door neighbor was beating someone to death, I WOULD GET INVOLVED”. My applause to you, Joyce, do that. Spend your own money and risk your own life to get involved. You have that right. But you don’t have the right to spend our money and our lives.
          And if you’re concerned about violent Leaders, you need look no further than the United States whose Leaders are messing violently with countries around the world.
          Here is just one example of our Leaders’ ‘benevolence’:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to3Ymw8L6ZI

        • DaveH

          You should read this book, Joyce, and learn just how heavily you’ve been propagandized by those in Power:
          http://mises.org/store/Real-Lincoln-The-P172.aspx

        • Mark in LA

          Joyce – who gets to pay for your “compassion”. While in theory it sounds good to say we helped to save the lives of … Who paid the cost? It wan’t you was it? No it was some dumb kid usually poor and without much prospects in life who came home in a body bad so you can spout off about your generosity. The great part is the kid had very little say in it.

          • professor

            Mark, good point.

            It is very easy for the politicians to spend “our” money and risk the lives of “our” children. Politician make war without ever having contributed to “the cost.” They profit from it instead.

            We Americans pay the cost, including Joyce, even though she is unaware of why her taxes go up and the prices of good and services increase.

            For example, rebuilding Iraq made the cost of building material skyrocket. The demand by the government for large amounts of these materials, to rebuild a foreign country, caused a “shortage of the same for Americans at home.” We paid more for less.

            Ten years in a middle east country “winning hearts and minds” while extorting money from Americans to pay the bill, is insane! What better slogan could our government use to excuse their sucking us dry of blood and treasure.

            People that argue about “isolationism” are distracting us from the truth. The truth is that our founding fathers warned us not to get involved in the politics of foreign nations and not to get into drawn-out military action with them…

            RP is right about us standing back, regrouping, and taking care of America first. Close most of the military installations in foreign countries. They are no longer needed. Build more smart missles and hire spies. The money we spend protecting foreign nations has become nothing but “international welfare.” How many of these countries depend on the U.S. money to feed their economies.,

            We should “strike” our enemies without reserve, from a position of power. Then, leave the offenders to clean-up their own mess! Next time they may think twice about attacking Americans or American interests.. No more “nation building” or feeding into the “business” of countries (and politicians) making war on America.

        • TrvlSEA

          You don’t understand the difference between Isolationist and Noninterventionist.

          RP is a Noninterventionist, not an Isolationist.

          These definitions are from http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

          Isolationism/ – the policy or doctrine directed toward the isolation of a country from the affairs of other nations by a deliberate abstention from political, military, and economic agreements

          (He would not have us withdraw from trade, if anything, we would expand trade… He believes in a strong national defense, not to be confused with a strong agressive offense…)

          Noninterventionism/ – the doctrine that governments should not interfere in the politics of other countries

          (He doesn’t think that it’s right or moral for us to prop up brutal dictators, create instability in other countries or otherwise cause strife around the world when it’s none of our business.)

          • Flashy

            Trvisea … in this day and age, one cannot be one or the other. We are not self sufficient. Thus we need to keep the trade routes open and the markets available.

            Take the latest “threat’ from Iran where it loudly whispered “Straits of Hormuz”. Pres. Obama took note. He’s lined up the IEA members and if the Straits are closed, the internatinal community will have enough oil drawn from emergency supplies around the world for 60 days. He has also pledged that, with the western allies, we will fight to keep the Straits open and they all have stated publically closing the Straits is an act of war and will be considered such.

            There are those on the Right who say “drill baby drill”. OK..so we drill and by fantasyland we have enough for ourselves. What about the remainder of the world?

            Imagine then since we do not have naval ability to toss around some power, the Chinese navy, or Indian navy comes up and says ‘we’ll protect your oil route”.

            How long do you think before our trade takes a back seat to whomever’s navy is protecting the Straits? Or take as another example Japan. Now if we didn’t have enough firepower avilable and floating around over there … how long before the Japanese realize their best interests lie in cutting us out of favorable deals and turning to China?

            how about Australia…already having the heebie jeebies with India right there and China coming down the pike. Ya want to just toss the Aussies overboard?

            Oil is a big one though. If we can get not only us, but work with the rest of the West and wean ourselves from oil, we’d be a much stronger, more stable, more protected nation. THEN we can work on withdrawing from the ME and concentrate on keeping the trade routes open and our trading partners interests in line with ours.

          • DaveH

            So in other words, Flashman, if they won’t trade voluntarily with us, you are fine with forcing them? How come I believe you?

          • Flashy

            Still having comprehension problems Dave?

            Let me see if i can put it in simpler language. you have a choice between selling your widgets to two people. One has a gu to your head saying “I want them and don’t sell any to the other guy”.

            Now…if you were a foreign leader and saw the Chinese or Indian navy outside in the bay..and they were saying “give us the deal and charge the highest to the Americans since we have the gun at your head and Pres. Paul ain’t nowhere around”…what do you think the outcome will be?

      • ralph herman

        I enjoy reading and seeing how you and Jim Jones get the Kool Ade drinkers to blindly follow.Paul is racist old and confused.

        • Pepper

          It must be the Fluoride in Your water Ralph.

        • Millicent

          Glad to see you are wise. He hates America and every time he opens his lying mouth I hear it. He is being supported by Obama’s armies right now. Otherwise he would’ve been relegated to the garbage pile where he belongs.

          • Average Joe

            Millicent,

            Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012!!!

      • DavidL

        I don’t always agree with you, Bob. This time I do. Ron Paul even if he has to go third party!

        • Dani Burchman

          There’s only one problem with a 3rd party Ron Paul – Obama would be a shoe-in for re-election.

          • DaveH

            So what, Dani? Without some true Freedom Lovers like Ron Paul we’re doomed anyway. The natural order of Politicians is to feather their own nests at the citizens’ expense. It’s been going on with Leaders from the dawn of time. Ron Paul is an Unnatural Politician and we should appreciate and help him every way we can.
            In a way, Obama has actually done us a favor, because people have awakened like never before to the realities of Big Government. The vast majority of the Republican Leaders would take us to the same place that Obama is taking us, but they would do it more slowly, less perceptibly and as a result, the masses would have been much less likely to have wakened from their apathetic stupors.
            We no longer have the luxury of time. We need to start fighting for our Freedom now or we can kiss it goodbye in a very few years. Even if Ron didn’t get elected, he is still spreading the message of Freedom that the majority of citizens have no clue about. Every movement has to start somewhere. People don’t just wake up overnight.

      • Millicent

        I thought you were a mature human being Bob. Evidently you have been taking too many hits from Dr. Dementia’s bong.

        • DaveH

          Seek help, Millicent. Your ignorance is dangerous to your health.

          • Average Joe

            Actually, her ignorance is bad for our health….don’t forget….even without any common sense at all…she’s still allowed to vote…and that is really scary.

          • DaveH

            Yes it is.

        • Average Joe

          Millicent,

          Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012!!!!!

          ;)

          • JeffH

            Average Joe, yours answer is the best response to the unhinged “Millie”! :) Yer killin me!

          • Average Joe

            JeffH,
            I can find no sense in trying to explain Ron Paul to those who refuse to listen (such as Millitant). Therefore my only reply is what unhinges them more than anything else I could possibly say…his name…Ron Paul. Notice how just the mention of his name causes them to start salivating…and chomping at the bit…..just to get a chance to scream some vile comment (because they really have nothing intelligent to say)…because they lack any real intelligence with which to carry on a debate with…..My final response to these half-wits is simply….RON PAUL!!!!! (drives ‘em nutz!) and makes me feel better.

          • JeffH

            Average Joe, right on! :)

          • Michael J.

            Average Joe,
            Yes, close the door on the un-hinged militant millie.

      • Boatman99

        Innocent mistakes? What the F&$@. Innocent mistake is my 5 year old sh—-ing in her diapers.
        The United States is the biggest war and intelligent machine in the history of tge world, they do not make mistakes. Everything they do is by design. Innocent mistakes, you idiot, give me a break.

      • Millicent

        Dear Bob,
        You have been drinking too much of Dr.Dementia’s kool aid. I think you really care about America, but unfortunately for you you have lost touch with reality.

        • Vic Bailey

          Millicent, your hatred and ignorance is the very thing that this Socialist Government counts on. The more hatred causes more innocent people to die, like our young men and women, and this Socialist Government doesn’t care as long as they can act like a school yard bully. The American people need to wake up while there is still a USA to protect, we can’t protect it if we are scattered out all over the world in countries where we SHOULDN’T be. One American life isn’t worth one half ounce of oil, put your hatred to rest Millicent, the world has enough without yours! Ron Paul CAN SAVE US ALL, even you Millicent with all your hate, without WAR we all will mellow, and we STILL can keep America FREE! Learn how and when to “TURN IT OFF”! Your neighbors will be safer. Semper Fi.

    • BAM

      You have not been following Ron Paul for 20 years have you or you would not be bad mouthing Ron Paul? You certainly need some research on your part. As a matter of fact Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that will renew our country as the “FOUNDING FATHERS” intended. An ignored enemy is a happy enemy. That is why we are fighting overseas now. Our government did not know how to leave them alone.
      I hope you wake up in time.
      Military Wife.

      • ralph herman

        Do you not remember the horror of the towers?Do you wast that here in a larger scale and longer time?Better there than here.

        • Pepper

          No one that has done any research is buying the “official” story. Certainly not the rest of the world. The “boogyman” is in our government. Funny how our Government is using our “Boogyman” Al Queada to destabilize other countries. Humm

        • DaveH

          Do you not remember Pearl Harbor, Ralph? Do you remember the many other false flag events used by Leaders to justify their meddling?
          Read this book, and learn some truth:
          http://mises.org/books/pearl_harbor_greaves.pdf

      • Millicent

        Ron Paul better known as Porkulus Paul. He is #4 on taking the pork home. He sticks pork in bills, then votes against them, knowing full well they will pass and he then says Look what a good boy I am I voted no. He is a serial violater of the Constitution Article 1 Section 8. Lying fraud racist Progressive Leftist pile of offal. Worse than Obama. Once Obama’s supporters desert this nutjob, he will be down to 1%. He already cannot run on the Libertarian line because the other nutjob Gary Johnson is doing that. Next, Trump will block him on the Independent line. Thus we can be rid of this traitor scum once and for all. He will go down in histroy just like Henry Wallace, as an absolute disgrace to America.

        • Average Joe

          Such language…from a supposedly winning adventurer…..(notice how I said…supposedly?).

          • Millicent

            Such language? Did I use 4 letter words to describe this lowlife Nazi garbage?

          • Average Joe

            It is simply your lowclass,guttersnipe, vulgar speech content that I find offensive (as do others here).
            Instead of comming here and telling us about your candidate and why we should vote for him or her, you instead, only down talk another candidate that you don’t personally like (we get it, yu don’t like Ron Paul and we are happy for you). Instead of trying to convince us in a logical manner, you spew unsupported garbage with absolutely no basis in reality.
            Based soley on your posts and their content, I would have to guess that you are an under-educated halfwit….who is only a Republican…because everybody else in the family is a Republican…you are a typical sheep…just following the herd…… no original thoughts….no original opinion…..just a playback machine wearing a human suit……

            To be matter-of-fact about the world is to blunder into fantasy – and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful.
            Robert A. Heinlein

        • Average Joe

          Millicent,

          Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012!!!!

          ;)

        • DaveH

          Seek Help, Millicent.

          • Millicent

            Why because I recognize scum when I see i? Maybe you are the one who should seek help. Ron Paul is anti American garbage.

      • Flashy

        BAM…please be more specific when referring to the “FOUNDING FATHERS”. The problem with this phrase is that there were several Congresses and delegations, and hundreds of men involved. They all did not think nor view the Constitution nor this nation alike…

        Jefferson and hamilton didn’t see alike on many issues, and there were many who disagreed with both. Lumping all of them together into one phrase is inaccurate, displays a tremendous amount if ignorance, is worthless as a referring source, and says nothing.

        • Vigilant

          “Jefferson and hamilton didn’t see alike on many issues, and there were many who disagreed with both. Lumping all of them together into one phrase is inaccurate, displays a tremendous amount if ignorance, is worthless as a referring source, and says nothing.”

          Flushy, your “knowledge” of the founding is superficial at best, ignorant at worst. The Founders are called such NOT because they had a monolithic view of how the Constitution was to be written and how the government was to operate. They are called that precisely BECAUSE they managed to write that document embodying their often opposing views. It was this dynamic that ultimately gave the world the longest surviving written Constitution in history.

          Both Federalist and Anti-Federalist provisions are found therein. We don’t have a Hamiltonian Constitution or a Jeffersonian Constitution or a Madisonian Constitution, we have a Constitution FOUNDED on the views of the FOUNDERS.

          Lumping all of them together into one phrase is accurate, displays common sense, is worthy as a referring source, and says much.

          There were not “hundreds.”

    • Flashy

      International affairs is the game of realpolitik played with a no limit stake on the table. Defining “realpolitik” is simply a larger more complex game of “screw your buddy”.

      Isolationist policies gets us exactly what we would be asking for…isolated and against the world. We were the Alpha Dog. top iof the world, the Equal amongst equals. And then th neocons came in, unfettered and unopposed the fed their corrupt machine and their cronies and bled us dry in the 00′s. they accomplished the US as being seen as a bully, interested only in domination, a rogue nation with an international outlook akin to a third world petty dictator. What moral stands we had as our bulwark against criticism were tossed out the window. For instance, we can no longer, for years ahead, object when tyrants use torture as a form of official policy or jail it’s citizenry without warrant or proof. That decade, with the neocons and wacked Right cheering … will forever be a black stain on our historical record. There were sad faces when the terrorists main recruiting poster boys, Bush/Cheney, were no longer arund to use to build their ranks.

      Let’s see…two wars, two coup attempts in Venezula, heavy handed blatant power games and threats, withdrawing from any international agreement the Neocons didn’t control…egads..the damage will go on for decades ! And you think the American people want to hand it back to that gang of thugs aka Neocons??? You want to hand it back to them???

      We have to stay in the chess game of international affairs. Our trade relies on having a standing…for if one country becomes overly strong and manages to tke the top of the mountain, and says ” don’t give the US any deals” … we’re at a disadvantage. Rome was unbeatable…until Alaric cut it off from the main world. It fell and was sacked within two years. Isolationism will accomplish nothing but allow the “Alarics” of the world surround us cutting us off.

      Anyone who thinks isolationism would be a good policy for this nation is sorely lacking in knowledge of international affairs and is deluding themselves imagining an unreachable fairy tale land…

      And that is the way it is …

      • Karolyn

        I have heard no one speaking of isolationism, Flashy. Isn’t the term “non-intervention”, which sounds just peachy to me.

        • Flashy

          Interventionism and Isolationism are the same thing Karolyn when Realpolitik is played.

          • http://mine d:-)

            flashy- they are not the same, please don’t vote, your an idiot.

          • Karolyn

            Isn’t it NON-interventionism?

          • DaveH

            Flashy,
            You become more irrelevant by the day. Are you hitting the Jack too much? Maybe you’re becoming desperate because your handlers are threatening to cut you off? Whatever the case, your comments are making less sense every weekday.

          • JeffH

            All I hear out of you you is baaaaaaaa, baaaaaaa, baaaaaa Flashy!

          • Flashy

            Karolyn…yes. Non Interventionism.

            The rest on this sub thread…interesting you can criticize…don’t see any solutions being given as alternatives or a counter argument. But that’s to be expected from those who can’t think for themselves and need to be told what to think, believe and say. I’m surpirsed DaveH didn’t find a nonsensical link from Mises to put up…

          • DaveH

            Thank you for advertising Mises, Flashman. Your malignment of them is an endorsement for the smart readers on this board.

        • ralph herman

          The man is correct we need to sell our goods to the world to save the jobs that are left here so we can buy the goods we used to make here.

          • http://mine d:-)

            Ralph, you shouldn’t vote either, you are also an idiot.

    • Sunshine49

      You really need to look up what an isolationist is before you accuse Ron Paul of being one.

      North Korea is a good example of an isolationist country. They would rather let their people starve then allow interference in their weapons programs.

      Ron Paul does NOT want to isolate us from trade with other countries, but he does want to protect Americans by protecting our borders.

      What don’t you understand about protecting our borders like is
      written in our Constitution? Obama sues our States for protecting
      themselves. Do you think that is better?

    • fedup

      I don’t understand everyone chanting this Isolationist blather. I was 4 years in the U.S. Navy and there wasn’t anything we couldn’t keep an eye on just floating along the Pacific Rim. My wife was P-3s and flying over the Atlantic she could read a licence plate # on a car parked in France, and this was back in the early 90s!. We have the technology to keep us informed and more without having to go to some country, kick their doors down and spend gobs of money. By the way, we have known the whereabouts of Bin Laden for some time. As far as Iraqs wmd b.s. All W. Bush did was run thru what Nixon tried to do when he was Prez, A.K.A Patriot Act. The thing that stopped Nixon was a power struggle with Hoover, head of the F.B.I who had his sights set on being the Know-all, See-all of the government. Bush had no such obstacles. You fools out there chanting big government propagnada, go right ahead. Let big government protect you right out of all your liberties and freedoms, but QUIT chanting “isolationism” when refering to taking care of ourselves and not meddling in other countries affairs!! Just because we aren’t over there staring in their eyes doesn’t mean we can’t keep an “eye” on them. That’s the problem with people today, they “know” everything because they have a satellite dish. Most people out in the U.S today, you could piss down their backs and tell them it’s raining and the first thing they’d want to know is what the government is going to do in case they flood. Pathetic:

  • Terry Marcum

    I really can’t take it anymore! Save me Obi-Wan your my only hope!!!!

    • ralph herman

      He is use your head and stop drinking the writers Kool Ade.

      • http://mine d:-)

        Ralph, please please please, TRY to write coherently, you are taking up vital comment space!

    • eddie47d

      The thing is Ralph if we hadn’t poked our nose into the internal affairs of so many foreign countries such as placing troops in Saudi Arabia there wouldn’t have been a Bin Laden forming an al Qaeda. There wouldn’t have been a need to send in Seal Teams into Pakistan to kill Bin Laden. We need to back up our foreign policies not grow them into monsters we can’t have control of.

    • Richard Pawley

      Thanks, Terry! I needed a good laugh. The Dark Side does seem to be growing, but the motto of my home state is DUM SPIRO SPERO (While I breathe, I hope). We are in a very complicated situation and when good men and women of various political parties and religions are trying to do good and end up doing the opposite one can suspect the operation of evil. Of course to some on this site that is only philosophy or religion. They can’t conceive of the much larger non-physical universe or the operation of good and evil spirits in the lives of men. The only way we are going to survive what is coming is if all who believe in God call out to him on a daily basis to work His will in all of what is going on in this country, in all three branches of government, and in all who are running for office of any kind. We need His help. Without such help we will just lumber along until the dollar collapses or loses so much value (due to our out-of-control spending) that it will all be academic. In other words believers need to pray!

  • http://none BAP362

    The American belief system has been totally turned upside down. We believe war makes us safe and peace is dangerous. In the process we have become a warrior nation. I had already decided to vote for Paul long before this election cycle began. Unfortunately one of those other talking heads will probably become the next president.

    • JimRed

      The only way peace is ever achieved is through victory over evil. The only way victory is achieved is through strength. The only way strength is achieved is through planning and execution.

      Ignore that which does not imperil you; crush that which does.

      • Karolyn

        If everybody felt as you do, we would all be dead.

        • Flashy

          The TPers don’t care Karolyn..remember, God is on their side and heaven awaits them. Oh wait…that’s close to what they claim Islamists think … sorry.

          • FreedomFighter

            I have seen what waits for Lucys, darkness and torment.

            As a communist Flashy your religion is the same as the followers of Lucifer:

            “This was not hidden; Dewey and others came out publicly and stated the purpose of publication was to not educate but to indoctrinate through scientific social engineering. Despite the fact that Dewey and the Communist movement claim to atheists, the reality is that Karl Marx was a practicing Satanist. The Communist Manifesto that Marx wrote with Engels was simply a copy of the Illuminati Manifesto written in the late 1700’s. The six primary tenets of the Illuminati Manifesto are:

            1- Abolition of Monarchy and Ordered Government
            2- Abolition of Property
            3- Abolition of Inheritance
            4- Abolition of Patriotism
            5- Abolition of Family
            6- Abolition of Religion

            These are also the exact same goals of the World Communist Movement.”

            Full artical:

            http://www.newswithviews.com/McGuire/paul111.htm

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • Flashy

            Actually FF…if I were a follower of Lucifer, the first requirement is to be a Christian…that’s the only religion that reciognizes “Lucifer”…

            Think about that. Satanists are, by definition, believers in christianity.

            Try again …

      • cawmun cents

        “Conan!What are the best things in life?”

        “Crush your enemies,see them driven before you,and hear the lamentations of their women”

        -CC.

        • http://mine d:-)

          Ditto!!! Greatest line from a movie!!

      • DaveH

        So, Jim, go over to your neighbors house and hit him because you know someday he might hit you, and see how much peace you get.

      • Buddy

        I suppose that our first job is to define “evil”. It just might be somewhere in policies emulating from Washington D.C. centralization.

  • Dani Burchman

    This is one the very few articles that accurately describes Ron Paul’s foreign policy and how it relates to the world’s view of this country. One only has to open a foreign newspaper (or read one online) to understand the animosity other country’s have for the USA. I wish more brainwashed Americans would read this.

  • paulz

    Bob…..i wish you were were wrong. BUT YOU ARE 110% RIGHT ON. thanks for the great article.

    • Millicent

      Bob is just drinking the kool aid like the rest of the RP supporters. Too bad as he is helping Obama destroy America. I despise this vile hypocritical old goat.

      • Average Joe

        Millicent,

        Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012!!!!!!

      • DaveH

        Are you looking in the mirror, Millicent?

      • http://deleted Claire

        Millicent–And what vile hypocritical old goat are you going to vote for?

        • libertytrain

          Claire – I believe she previously proclaims the newtist as her guy….

          • http://deleted Claire

            libertytrain–I know she is “for” Newt—a vile hypocritical old goat!! lol

        • Karolyn

          Claire – Seeing you here, I just had to say something about us being on opposite sides of the football fence with the Giants playing the Packers. Go Giants!

          • http://deleted Claire

            Karolyn: Oh No!!!! Go Packers!!!! lol

  • Chuck Case

    I diaagree with this article. Clearly, Iran has aided our enemies in Afganistan and Iraq buy virture of supplying arms, technology for IED explosives, etc. etc.
    Further, the Iranians have avowed to “wipe Isreal from the face of the Earth”.
    Now, they are without question from either Mr. Paul or many of his supporters and like-minded people, working towards a nuclear bomb.
    It is not only the US and Isreal that fear the Iranians and thier nuclear quest, but most of the Arab countries as well. This includes Saudi Arabia, Quait, Jordan, etc. etc. The ‘Arab Brothers’ know that Iran is quite capable of prolificating nuclear technology to other countries, but also to terrorists that will attack Isreal, The Saudis, etc. and all Western countries.
    In fact this morning, the Minister of Defense for Iran has offered to assist any african nation in learning the process of making weaponized uranium!
    Sory Mr. Livingston, Mr.Paul, et. al., I personally do not have to see a nuke to believe that one is on it’s way in Iran. The consequences will be horrific.

    • LibRep

      It’s only fair Iran arms the enemy. We supplied arms to Iraq during the war in the 80s.

      • Flashy

        We shipped arms to both sides LR. We did favor Sammy Hussein in the dealings in that Cheney, acting on approval, arranged poison gas weapons to be shipped to Sammy. Maybe that’s why Cheney claimed he “knew” there were WMDs in Iraq…he gave them to Sammy.

        • http://mine d:-)

          Correct Flashy!! Someone that knows their history, and the fact that interventionism LEADS to either spending billions supporting the regime or going in to clean up the mess we made!!! this crap has to stop.

    • eddie47d

      That is easy to say Chuck Case but you keep insisting in creating new problems instead of correcting the old ones. Why is Iran mad at us? Because we overthrew their government and installed a puppet regime in 1953. We instantly created an enemy.Why does Iran have animosity towards Israel because we the Americans send them billions of dollars each year and have troops all over the Middle East.We have threatened Iran for decades which has only caused them to become angrier.Our bully pulpit isn’t going to work anymore than Ahmadinejad doing the same thing. We keep giving each other a black eye and have become blind to the underlying causes.

    • Millicent

      Glad there are other here who know how AntiAmerican Dr. Dementia is. At least you can answer calmly. This pile of trash gets me very upset as he is helping the Kenyan.

      • Average Joe

        Ron Paul 2012!!!!

      • eddie47d

        Ron Paul is very pro American when it come to foreign policy more so than any other candidate.

    • DaveH

      Get some huevos, Chuck. The Iranians aren’t going to attack our country. They aren’t as stupid as our self-serving Leaders and their Crony Capitalists would like you to believe.

      • Flashy

        Ummm Dave….weren’t you in the forefront yelling Sammy ws a danger and we had to invade because of WMDs? When any sane person was asking for evidence…you and your ilk were believing the lack of evidence was evidence? (yes…at the time, that was a line put forth by the wacked supporters of the right)

        • DaveH

          You lie, Flashman, as usual. Show the readers where I have endorsed being involved in Iraq. Don’t worry, if you can find such a comment, I’ll teach you how to post the link.
          Of course you can’t, because I haven’t.
          You know you have no credibility among the regular readers, Flashman, so why do you try to spread your slander?

          • Flashy

            Because it isn’t slander Sparky. You know it, i know it. Anyone who reads your posts knows it. Show us a post or writing whre at the time they were imposed you decried those policies…

            Try again …

          • JeffH

            Flashy, you’re a bonefied liar…???

            Your lack of honesty and credibility is way beyond repair here…but it is still a free country so just keep hackin’ along.

  • Laura G.

    I only have one statement when it comes to this issue.

    “Everything I need to know about Islam,I learned on 9-11.” nuff said!

    • http://911justasking.com metroman

      Laura G. go to 911justasking.com for a review of that faithful day. You may reconsider you position. Oh, don’t have your blinders on but have your thinking cap on.

      • Laura G.

        metroman,I just watched this video and it looks very familiar.I’m not sure if part 4 had been completed when I first seen this,though. But,yes most certainly,I have question’s about this day,as well.And the completion of this video raises even more.

        Thanks for sharing it,but I still have my reservations about a ‘cult’ that practice’s beheadings to unbelievers(and teaches their 12 year old boys how to do this with living subjects),a people that will stone to death a woman because ‘she’ was raped,female mutilation,and selling their young girls to old men in the name of arranged marriage so they can add a few more sheep to the herd! The more I learn about this culture,the less sympathetic I become and that is why I make my initial statement.If it wasn’t for 9-11,I wouldn’t have know any of this.

        • Karolyn

          It’s none of our business. If the people of a country accept that country’s laws or rules, it is their business.

    • Karolyn

      Laura – Then you sure don’t know much!

    • eddie47d

      Why was there a 9/11 Laura? Who placed troops in Saudi Arabia and “trampled” on sacred ground.At least from their perspective. Why did we take so much oil from that country yet few in that country had any rights.King Faisal became wealthier while the ordinary person had their civil rights trampled on. That still exists today at least with the women population. Bin Laden was one of the Saudi Elites yet that same government and elites we traded with trained their Wahhabi students and future hijackers to hate America. We slept with the enemy and the enemy bite us hard but suffered no consequences. Next time and even now we need to know who is running the show in these foreign countries before we purchase their commodities. At least before we place troops within their borders.

      • Millicent

        FYI Saudi Arabia asked for us to be there. 9/11 happened because Slick Willie brought our defenses down, just like Dr. Dementia wants to do, only worse. You are just too naive to recognize how Antiamerican Dr. Dementia is. He hates us and will destroy us just like the Kenyan. Slick Willie had the chance to take out bin Laden, but didn’t. That’s why 9/11 happened. Ross Perot another egotistical blowhard ran as a third party and we ended up with Slick Willie. No you want to saddle us with Dr. Dementia. No way, no how. I have voted in every election. I would stay home on election day rather than vote for this pile of garbage. Fraud, Liar America Hating Progressive/Leftist Ron Paul. Worse than Obama and that’s saying a lot.

        • Average Joe

          Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012!!!!
          ;) ;)

        • DaveH

          Ron Paul, even in his old age, makes far more sense than you do, Millicent. The problem is that you’re aren’t smart enough to know it.

        • NC

          millicent, WhaT did the 9/11 terrorist use for weapons to destroy the buildings and how many of them did they have when Clinton left office 234 days before?? let me help you with the answers. AIRPLANES AND NONE! iN FACT THEY DIDN’T HAVE ANY PLANES AT 8 o’CLOCK THAT MORNING! WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE THAT THEY ONLY PLANNED TO STEAL 4 PLANES that day for it appears if they wanted 12 they could have gotten 12 from WHAT EVER WEAK A$$ED FEDERAL SECURITY system “the crawford cretin” had in place while he was reading his grade school book!

      • eddie47d

        That’s the problem with you Millicent you don’t realize they are all blowhards. They all work together for the same goal. That includes Romney,Gingrich,Bachmann,Obama,Perry and Santorum. You support one you support them all. You don’t have to like Ron Paul but he has a different more common sense approach to our world view. He sees the causes and effects and how they endanger our nation. The other candidates only continue what we’ve practiced before and those policies are utter failures.

    • Bob Marshall

      In that case you don’t know much.

  • the unfortunate truth

    It took me while to be able to accept this as true. But it is what it is . If we are safer by not expanding all over the world , then so be it . And ron paul will have a better energy policy than all of the others as well . He will allow us to be self sufficient in energy in the future .
    Ron paul when given long enough to answer , almost always makes the most sense . And it is no different with foreign policy ,or energy policy . Understand the views take all factors into account and as always, paul has the US interest at heart.
    Another good article
    Embargoes and trade sanctions provoke war , occupation and coups purport war. War does not make americans safe . Logic and reason will make americans safe .

    • Pepper

      I agree. LOGIC and REASON!!

    • Michael J.

      the unfortunate truth,
      Through a process of natural selection we have evolved into the worlds dominate super power. We never the less must pull back from the brink of interventionist insanity to a more rational foreign policy approach. Ron Paul would implement a constitutionaly driven strategy towards that end.

  • TriumphOver Evil

    Wonderful article. Now if Americans would only wake up and see the truth of what has been happening and what will continue to happen if Ron Paul is not elected would be even more wonderful. American leadership has to stop their insanity because they’re signing the death warrants of every American citizen of not only today and tomorrow, but for hundreds or thousands of years into the future.

    I wonder whether the other Republicans running against Dr. Paul actually believe their own lies and live in their own sick, little minds or they live in fear of the big, bad wolves called the world bankers. WAKE UP AMERICA because everything that’s been told to you by both Democrats and Republicans has been a fairy tale. American’s worse enemies are those who have been chosen or elected to represent them and nothing will change for the better until we change who work for us.

  • Frank

    Is every other country in the world isolationist? Read about Operation Ajax? Who got the biggest contracts in Iraq and Afghanistan? Where did the 911 hijackers come from? If you can’t answer these question, you can’t make an informed decision. Unfortunately, most Americans don’t know history and can’t learn from it.

  • http://Personalliberty Tony

    To Everyone:
    This is an excellent article. In essence, our nation has to stop being policemen of the world and need to start being realistic in their foriegn affairs policies. If you study history, this is the mistake the Romans made. See what happen to them. Also, look what happen to the former Soviet Union because of policies of expansionism.
    If we don’t change, just observe where Russia is at right now. That’s
    where we’ll be at in a generation or two. Think about it. Thanks!!

    • http://911justasking.com metroman

      Tony and others go read the report: The Project for the New American Century 2000. You will understand what is going on. Especially page 52 on funding ($) it. Everyone have a nice day.

  • Tony

    I can’t believe I just read a ton of radical quotes from a well deserved dead idiot named Bin-Laden! Does Ron Paul really dislike Jews as much as Bin-Laden? The Jewish people only want what God promised them LONG before the muslims were ever there, a small piece of land in comparrison to what the Arab nations own. If we don’t itervene soon in Iran, the nut case that leads that country will ultimately start a Global neuclear war. He has declared that he will not rest until the Jews and American devils are wiped from the face of the map. So, Pauls stance is….don’t intervene? Really? I mean is this the best he’s got?

    • Karolyn

      “He has declared that he will not rest until the Jews and American devils are wiped from the face of the map.” Can you cite this? I was not aware of Achmadinijad stating such.

      • Laura G.

        Giving background to this week’s controversy over remarks by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, a story mentioned his previous call for Israel to be “wiped off the pages of history” (Britain walks out of conference as Ahmadinejad calls Israel ‘racist’, 20 April, guardian.co.uk). The translation of the statement he made in 2005, at The World without Zionism conference in Tehran, has been the subject of dispute. A more literal translation is: “the regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time”, and this is the translation we should have used (as noted in Corrections and clarifications, 28 July 2007).
        Is there much difference between the two quotes? Either way,his intentions,behind his words,shouldn’t be viewed as non-threating.

        • Karolyn

          I still have seen nothing about “American devils.” This is how hatred is spread – people repeating rumors. Of course, he hates the Jews. What else is new? They hate him too.

        • TML

          “wiped off the pages of history”

          I’ve also seen “wiped off the map”, which is an English idiom, has not the same meaning in Persian, and doesn’t represent the proper translation of what was said. The man never said “Israel” either, to imply any kind of genocide. He used a phrase that properly translates to “the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.”

    • TML

      I second that. Give us a citation of them openly stating this, or quit regurgitation what ur spoon fed by the media.

      • http://www.personalliberty.com Patrick Corrigan

        If we just take out the big entitlements for Corporations, and the Military Industrial Complex (useless, endless wars) and wastefull Government spending we will not have to cut any of the needed entitlements for the poor.

    • http://Personalliberty Tony

      To Tony from Tony:
      Look sir we need to stay out of others affairs totally. We have no business being there. You know sir, the reason why these bizarre tyrants are in power is because of our interference. Whether in Africa, Middle East, Latin America ETC. The ultimate solution: Stay Out!! Thanks!!

    • DaveH

      Where did you get that Ron Paul dislikes Jews, Tony?
      Is it the fact that he doesn’t think Government has any business giving other peoples’ money away, whether to individual people or countries full of people?
      If you want to help Israel, be my guest, Tony. Help them all you want — with your own money and life.

  • VanZorge

    you all are called “paultards” for a reason……… just sayin’

    • LibRep

      We’re called “Paultards” because we get it. Tell you what – in fairness to other countries, let’s let our allies build bases over here in the US and have their people foot the bill to run and maintain them. Ron Paul’s own words – strong national defense with no nation building. How much longer will China and other countries loan the US money to maintain its empire? We can’t count on the Federal eserve to keep printing money and expect the rest of the world to accept it. One has to look at Weimer, Germany and Zimbabwe to see how well printing money worked out for them. The only thing saving the US right now is OPEC and the oil markets trading in dollars. When they start using another currency the US is screwed. Then we won’t have to be an isolationist nation under Paul. We’ll be isolated by the rest of the world.

    • eddie47d

      When it comes to foreign entanglements Bob Livingston and Ron Paul get it and understand the consequences of these actions. No foreign nation or the USA wants troops within their lands. It builds resentment,increases animosity,builds underground terror cells and brings on wars and acts of sabotage we can’t win. We SET UP friendly government who are just as corrupt as the previous authorities and few citizens gain. The Romans did it,the Russians did it and we have done it. So many failures from over leveraging ourselves yet we insist in repeating our errors.

    • Millicent

      Dr. Dementia is Obama’s biggest helper.

      • Average Joe

        Millicent is her own worst enemy….

        Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012!

        • Vic Bailey

          I’m worried about Millicent having a heart attack, the hate she has built up is dangerous, even for the neighbors. Must have been drinking Bama’s Kool Aid and has a pair of his Rose Colored glasses, I can’t figure what would make someone spout out so much hate? Must have been really abused to hate like that! Semper Fi.

      • LibRep

        Dr. Dementia, huh?

        Check out how accurate Dr Dementia’s predictions have been since 2002.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifJG_oFFDK0

    • College Boy

      and you all are called neo-con war-mongers for a reason – just sayin

  • Polski

    It’s not just the government’s policy. About 50 years ago a book called “The Ugly American” was published. On the cover was a picture of a fat, bald man, smoking a cigar, wearing a Hawaiian shirt and short pants, with a camera on a strap hanging around his neck. This says it all. This is the world’s perception of an American, an arrogant, demanding person who tramples the rights of everyone else. Sadly enough, when you read these forums, you see this person over and over.

    • Karolyn

      Absolutely! Why would people not view us thusly? Look at our arrogance! We are no better than anyone else in the world.

  • the unfortunate truth

    It was embargoes against japan that made the japanese bomb pearl harbor . Were the kamikazes not serious about dying for their cause . We stopped trade of cotton and oil going to japan over years .

    Would you have told people who warned of such behavior leading to war they were insane . Had we listened to those people pearl harbor would never had been bombed ?

    When you interfere with trade of other nations , and occupy their land , you are inviting american boy and girls to die. This is about being safe , not about ego justice, and being the tough guys of the world .

    When you realize the policy is flawed , you correct it .

    I love america and americans , and value soldiers lives and that of all americans.

    Every great nation that has destroyed its currency and overextended itself militarily has perished and never remained great . From a historical perspective , we are becoming weaker, not stronger. We are using up military assets and destroying the dollar to do . That will never make us safer in the long run .

    If you truly value americans lives, you will value the presidency of ron paul .

  • Steve

    Well Bob, Bin Laden can say anything after the fact and you can armchair quarterback all day long, I can even do that. You don’t know where we would be if our policies had been different, no one does. The majority of businessmen, republicans, consertives, and tea party members want Obama out and his agenda ended. It is all about wealth distrubution to his regime and he rules like an organized crime boss, he is the worst. I like Dr Paul but I think he has no chance to get elected. He does not think he can get elected either, he has said that. He wants his message heard, and it is being heard. Paul’s message will have an impact on future decisions made by the eventual Republican nominee as I am sure Paul intended. I am just praying you and all the Paul supporters will target Obama if Paul does not get the nomination. It will take every vote to get Obama out, Obama and his cronies will steel 2-3 percent just like they did in 08. If Paul gets the nomination, we need support him 100%. If he does not, we need to support who ever does 100%!

    • tammom

      You are right on Steve. We all have to help Ron Paul’s message spread. He’s got it and the main stream media is trying to keep it from being heard. Our duty is to help him! Did we ever think this is where America would be heading?

    • http://n/a sheepdog

      Right on, Steve.
      However, don’t forget Congress. Who controls Congress, controls government. Look at Bush’s last two years.

    • http://911justasking.com metroman

      Steve we have had Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama and now Romney do you really think it makes a difference. Obama is carrying out the Clinton and Bush policy. Bush passed the laws but a republican could not carry them out. That is the taking of our liberty and creating the police state we have today. Obama uses the Race for these unconstitutional actions passed by Bush administration. Don’t you see; heads I win and tails you loose. Ron Paul is the only wildcard in the deck that can change it. If you get a chance take a look at 911justasking.com

    • eddie47d

      One thing that can be done(now not later)in support of Ron Paul is to write to all the other candidates or any media outlet. Then insist that Romney,Santorum,Perry,Obama and Gingrich accept the non-interventionist policies of Ron Paul. Let them know that it is in Americas best interest to stop looking for enemies and start searching for trading partners. Whether Ron Paul wins the nomination or loses we will not vote for any of you until you stop these false flag wars. We are losing economic liberties and civil liberties because of these foreign entanglements. Our commitments to other countries are disastrous sink holes sucking the very life out of us instead of creating prosperity for us or them.

  • Sj

    Kudos Bob, the only people that dont agree with you are those that aren’t aware that a noose is being slipped around their necks and the eliteists themselves.

  • http://printing-for-profit.com Gary

    The mere fact that the press is ignoring Ron Paul should be enough for thinking people to take him seriously. If he were to win a primary with 90% of the vote he would written up to be at best 4th in the running.

    As far as isolationism is concerned that goes back to Henry Clay and his American System. Abraham Lincoln caused the death of 600,000 citizens with an isolationist policy.

    Decades of Department of Commerce tariffs and quotas have been isolationist policies of the worst kind.

  • Randy

    Your dilusional, all the evidence is there, the government has been doing this for years, Iran dont even have an air force, and if they did get a nuke, are you telling me they are going to launch it on Israel? even though Israel has 300 nukes? Iran is the ones that would be wiped from the map. Just like they did with Iraq, o they have WMD, REALLY? I guess you bought into that lie as well, so 4 trillion dollars, and thousands of american lives later, ooops, there are no WMD’s …Israel can take care of its self, the republican party has become the war mongers, our constitution doesnt tell us to go police the world. Put 800 military dictatorships around the world, if any country did that to us, we would be terrorist as well

    • Firefly

      WWII – FDR; Korea – Truman; Vietnam – JFK and LBJ! I seem to remember they were all Democrats. Vietnam was ended by Nixon, a Republican. Congress, both Democrat and Republican, voted to go to Kuwait and help in 1991 for Desert Storm. Both parties can irritate the dickens out of us but no one is all good, or all evil.

      We are trying to elect a president who will not destroy the country but no one man can do that alone. We must replace most of those in the Senate too or it will be more of the same, or soon we will be so broke that REALITY will make us return home and tend to our own affairs. Only the guidance and inspiration of Supreme Being can
      help us at this point.

      • Vic Bailey

        You can’t blame JFK for Viet Nam, Eisenhower started Nam in 1957, three years before Kennedy was president, he was going to end Viet Nam along with the crooked part of the government but they killed him for him trying, LBJ made Viet Nam because he didn’t want to end up like Kennedy! Semper Fi.

    • eddie47d

      I understand your point firefly but how about McKinley Republican: Spanish American War, Reagan Republican: Central American Wars and Lebanon,G. Bush Republican: Iraq War and Afghanistan. How about Wilson Democrat: WWI. They all do it and they are all dangerous interventionists and we keep falling for them no matter who is in power. That is why Ron Paul is such a bright star among all the other dull minds.

  • clarence swinney

    WOW! WHAT A JOY FOR ME.I ADMIRE BOB BUT DISAGREE ON MANY ISSUES.
    THIS IS ONE OF BEST I HAVE EVEEEER READ. BOB, GO BE ADVISER TO OBAMA.

    Since 1980 we have been involved in 10 foreign conflicts.
    Hundreds of thousands killed. Trillions wasted.

    Were Jesus to return he would scream “WHAT THE HELL???”

    It will be transmitted to many.
    THANKS BOB FOR ANOTHER CHIRSTMAS PRESENT
    cswinney2@triad.rr.com
    Political Historian Lifeaholics of america
    olduglymeanhonest mad mad mad at Inequality in America=End Of Empire
    Inequality cannot be spun.numbers proof.
    10% own 70% Wealth–80% own 15%–take 46% all individual income
    When that 70% becomes 90%=Revolution In America u al

  • T.A.Wathen Jr.

    Has anyone ever heard JFK’s secret society speech? If not, simply Google it and listen. I’ll have more to say about this later, but now I have to go back to work.

  • John D. Beach

    Amen! On 9/12/01, had we apologized for the offenses and turned our Christian “other cheek” and kept our troops home to protect our own borders and stopped all immigration, tourism, shipping and airline flights to and from those countries which were engaged in terrorist training and activities and strengthened the security at our ports of entry, we would have been of no offense and increased our security without incurring the incredible costs of a policy that has been a financial and public relations disaster. If Iran and Afghanistan revert to their old ways politically, it will have been a war fought in vain anyway and what can not be changed by man will have been better left to God. Would to God that leaders would learn that lesson before committing to waste the lives of patriotic citizens who, they think and, by policy, ensure, will have nothing better to do!

  • Alex Frazier

    I think that it is worth saying for the sake of those who would call Paul an isolationist, or who would declare his foreign policies dangerous, that Paul is not opposed to a justified war declared by congress. If there is a sincere threat in the middle east, he will do what is needful, and do it in a constitutional manner. He has said as much in the debates. What he is against is the never-ending parade of useless, harmful, undeclared wars. He is against the costly occupations.

    But he himself has made it clear that he is not timid about military action if it needs to be done. And if it does need to be done, his position is that we should declare it through congress, go in and do our business, then bring everyone home. What we presently do is, the president sends troops without bothering with congress, does a little business here and a little business there, then sets up troops to occupy each place as we pass through. It’s crap.

  • W

    It’s true, the bullies are always hated and it just never ends. Why act like scared little rats, we have the capabilities,or atleast we did to take careof ourselves, I for one hate billies, and thats what America has become! Mind our business takecare of our own, fire the current incompetent agencies that made the so WMD mistakes, get some professional American people loving people in place, and keep an close eye. I thought we had it all! We could turn that whole area into glass and they know it! I say let peace have a chance, you all act like a bunch of scared rats, or is that the plan to control you also! “You have nothing to fear but fear itself” (FDR), and maybe the warmonger elites policies!Bring our troops home let them live the life you are you selfish beings, and help protect this country also!

  • John

    I don’t have a problem with getting involved when people are being murdered,but we can’t fight a war as policemen could you imagine how world war 2 would have been if we had to becareful of where we dropped our bombs or where we attacked.Being policemen it’s just like vietnam,if we have to go to war I’m sorry but,we need to protect our soldiers too.Look at the avg age of a soldier their kids there are other ways,look at Japan a sad day in history but,they would of never gave up and we would of lost millions of more people ya soldiers are people.

  • Karolyn

    Great article, Bob! Thank you!

  • Joyce

    Wake up!!!!!!!!!! What people should remember that prior to WW II this country had a issolational mind set. What happened? Germany overran country after country and used the resources of each country to subdue more countries. By the time Pearl Harbor happened, the only countries that were willing or strong enough to stand up to Germany was England. The way we came out of the issolationist mind set was when we were attacked at Pearl Harbor, we were so weak militarily that they made lipstick factories into bullet factories. Why were we attacked at Pearl Harbor? Because we were weak militarily and Japan didn’t think we could or would do anything about it. Germany didn’t attack the countries around them because they were being bothered by their neighbors but because their neighbors were weak. It would be wonderful if we all is this world could live in peace. Unfortunately, it is not what is. Muslim countries say that the Christians were the agressors. What many don’t know that prior to the rise of Christians, the Muslims ran over most of the world. Historically, one civilation after another has run over their neighbors and it has NOTHING to do with us being involved with other countries. It is greed, envy and wanting what someone else has. Obviously, Mr. Paul has absolutely NO education on the history of the world.

    • Karolyn

      Obviously your view is skewed! I will repeat once again “Who’s talking isolationism?” Not Ron Paul. How would you feel if China came here and did what we do in other countries? Actually, there can be world peace if everybody took care of their own backyard. The problem is people do not; they let the powers-that-be dictate everything and do not take part in the life of their country.

      • Joyce

        Karolyn, Ditto back to you! Are you saying your view is not skewed?

        • Joyce

          Carolyn,
          On one issue I have to agree with you 1,000 % If EVERYONE took care of their own back yard, there would be NO problems. However, that is not the world we live in. What eutopia have you been living in and what history of the world have you been studying?

          • Karolyn

            Why does the future have to reflect history? Change has to start somewhere. You still ddn’t answer my question: How would you feel if you were in their shoes?

          • Joyce

            Karolyn,
            Did you keep your promise to listen? What would you feel like if your country was attacked TWICE at the World Trade Center? You are one of those blame America first and for everything. I wish we could love the world into loving us. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Even Obama is learning that being good to the Muslins will not make them love us. Being on the top financially will always make everyone envy and/or hate us. By giving away everything we have to the world will mean that we can’t help others. The Muslims stated goal is to make the whole world into Muslims and to “kill the infadels.” I have a news flash for you: We are the infadels.

    • eddie47d

      We all know Germany was evil yet it was economic policies from the Weimar Republic that set Hitlers policies in motion. You know,those leaders who started WWI which lead to disastrous policies which lead to WWII. Ron Paul believes in free trade and honest bartering between nations. That is not an isolationist but an open world view and without the wars.

      • Vic Bailey

        We ALL forget the main reason for ALL the wars in the last 200 years has been ENGLAND, they have started the wars with Germany by undermining their monetary system just like the North did the South with Lincoln at the controls. The propaganda was always the same, making the people believe in the boogieman that NEVER EXISITED! Same thing that this Socialist Government wants the people to believe. Had England been defeated we would be in a lot safer world. They have undermined more countries business that any other country, and the Rothchilds and Rockefellers and the rest of the crooked ELITIST need ran into the closest prison, and our world would heal itself! Semper Fi.

  • http://n/a sheepdog

    WOW! I admire and respect Ron Paul and believe he is absolutely correct in much of what he says. However, I have studied the Koran, the Hadith and Sharia Law sufficient to know that ANY practitioner of Islam believes the Koran to be inviolate and perfect. The first command given is to totally destroy or subjugate peoples of all other religions. It does not say to destroy only those that might make war against Islam, but ALL peoples of other religions. This is an often repeated theme throughout the triad of Islam, the Koran, the Sira and Hadith.
    Only a fool will believe that leaving Muslims alone will appease them. It has proven to be false security throughout history. Jihad has killed 270 million innocents over the past 1400 years.
    I urge you to read “Sharia Law for Non-Muslims” available from the Center For The Study Of Political Islam.

    • Karolyn

      If this is true, why are there Muslims who do NOT want to kill us? The majority of Muslims are not radical. I have heard Muslim-Americans interviewed, and they want the same thing we do – peace, health and prosperity for their families. Muslims all over the world want that.

      • Joyce

        The reason there are moderate Muslims in this country is because they don’t have control of this country yet. Now I grant you, there may be some moderates in the Muslim religion. But look at the countries where they are in total control and see if you can find any moderates who will speak out. The same can happen in this country if they should gain control by creeping slowly so we don’t see it — like Shiria Law.

        • Laura G.

          Joyce I believe those stepping stones have been placed and are leading right to the front door! I’m waiting for the day when I call my local gas company to make a payment and hear, “Press #1 for English,#2 for Spanish, or #3 for Arabic.”

        • Karolyn

          Generally, the voices that are heard are extremist voices. Moderate people seldom use theirs; however, I would tend to believe that they are in the majority.

    • http://Personalliberty Tony

      To sheepdog:
      In essence, i have to agree with you that Islam is a destructive religion. I mean if you look at them today, Muslims still practice slavery. There are literally slave markets in Saudi Arabia that sell women slaves from Africa, Phillipines, Europe especially France and the Ukraine. Heck, Ukrainian women are now becoming the new commodity
      in that country for slave ownership. In addition, women have to wear
      veils, and robes even in searing heat. Next, these islamic nations have some of the worse human rights violations on this planet. Good example of this is in the Darfur region of the Sudan. The black arabic/african muslims of the north are enslaving plus massacring the black african christians of the south. So, your concern is well taken. However, where i differ is the point of U.S. intervention/interference. We need to have a hands off policy. Excuse the phrase but as the late 19th / early 20th cent author Rudyard Kipling stated: “We need to end the Western Man Burden mentality when dealing with other nations.” Well that sums up my believe. If we keep sticking our noses where it doesn’t belong we’re going to be in a world of trouble. Thanks!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1207123702 marty

        It’s funny how Saudi Arabia are our allies. We just sold them 30 billion dollars worth of jet fighters. They’re a monarchy as well, so I’m sure the King and the Princes consider everyone their slaves. See what happens if people get out of line there.

  • mike

    In 1953 we overthrew the emerging parliamentary government of Iran and replaced it with our dictator. Twenty five brutal years later our man was overthrown by a group that despises us. Had Ron Paul’s approach to Foreign Policy been in effect in 1953 we wouldn’t be facing a hostile Iran now. The quest for perpetual war is made possible by the collusion of the mainstream media beating the drums for incessant confrontational policies. Those on both the left and the right who speak otherwise are labeled as the lunatic fringe and the vast mushy middle goes on in blissful ignorance.

  • http://www.readwhatisee.com P Alfonso

    Bob, I agree with your views and Libertarian philosophy but you made an error on this article by posting false and deceiving information.
    The comment about Osama Bin Laden “In 2004, bin Laden was quoted as saying: God knows it did not cross our minds to attack the Towers, but after the situation became unbearable” was likely false CIA propaganda just like all of the others that followed. The official and accurate Osama Bin Laden statement on 9/11 was the following: “I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons,” bin Laden’s statement said. This still can be found in an article posted by CNN on September 16th 2001.

    http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/us/inv.binladen.denial_1_bin-laden-taliban-supreme-leader-mullah-mohammed-omar?_s=PM:US

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear P Alfonso,

      The quote I used is attributed to bin Laden. Unfortunately, U.S. propaganda ministers have brought out many bin Laden look-alikes and CIA manufactured audio tapes to foist all types of misdirecting information both convicting and exculpating bin Laden over the years. You are correct in that it is quite doubtful the 2004 quote was in fact made by bin Laden, who I believe was long dead by this time. However, as evidence by the mind-numbed and deceived masses condemning what I wrote, yet offering nothing but more unsourced propaganda as evidence, convincing them of anything beyond the official story line is an impossible task. Hence, we are in store for four more years of Obama or Obama-lite (Romney) and nothing will change until our economic system collapses into a state of ruin and devastation. However, until that time, the viewership of American Idol and Monday Night Football will continue to grow, and Walmart’s coffers will continue to expand.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • BrotherPatriot

        Spot on, Sir. I ‘m sorry to say…your post is Spot On.

        God Bless you, Sir & this site.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1207123702 marty

      honestly, I have heard so much BS from the American MSM and the Govt, which are all owned lock stock and barrel by Zionists that I have my doubts that Bin Laden even did 911. I could probably be described as a traitor or unpatriotic for that statement, but I haven’t seen or heard a rationale explanation. I’ve seen the “Mossad did 911″ video on youtube and although it’s so very hard to believe, it’s actually the most reasonable explanation I’ve heard to date

  • Donald

    If enough people vote for Ron Paul, you may have the start of a Third Party Movement. It will take years to get it together, first by getting seats in the Congress, then Governor-ships, and finally a President. It can’t be done this year, but enough votes for Paul will make a start and if enough conservatives are elected to Congress, you won’t have to worry too much about who is President over the next four years.

    • Dov Bear

      The Libertarian Party already exists as a third party, and Libertarians usually can get on the ballot for all kinds of offices in all 50 states. But if someone wants to start a party around the Ron Paul mystique, well I would be wary of starting a party around the personality of one man or even his son.

  • the unfortunate truth

    If we continue our foreign policy, we will create enough enemies that we cannot fight them all . One of these days , if we are not careful , there will be UN peacemakers coming here to occupy us. That sounds unfathomable to some of you , as it sounded impossible to the empires of the past who ignored the writing on the wall.

    Paul cites the work of michael scheuer , the leading expert on bin laden who was the head of the cia unit .

    He doesn’t just make this stuff up , he cites the work of the experts in intelligence. Recently the head of israel’s intelligence, agreed with paul , that iran is no threat . The are many jews who believe we chanin israel , not help them . Many jews in israel agree with paul . It doesn’t mean we have to like or embrace iran . It just means we need to understand them .

    Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat its errs .

    There are many in the intelligence community and military community who agree with paul ,however you must search out their opinions. It will not be spoon fed on your tv set for you .

    • Brian

      Yes, Unfortunate Truth, those that don’t know history are apt to repeat it’s errors…Own gold and silver and you’ll make it through the even tougher times to come – accept fiat currency and accept what comes to you! And,oh, the price of gold & silver is going down? Use this respite to increase the amount you own!

      • the unfortunate truth

        A wise man brian , I agree.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1207123702 marty

      when we can’t fight them all, we can just blow up the whole world. Will that be when find out they we were the bad guys all along?

  • Dov Bear

    Ron Paul is evil. He called Osama Bin Laden a gentleman. And even if Bin Laden actually died in Tora Bora because he could not get dialysis, Ron Paul condemned his own country for taking down Bin Laden in a suburb of Islamabad with a bullet through his brain the day that he announced for President. If he cannot see the difference between a man that he calls a gentleman and Israeli soldiers defending themselves against a Turkish incursion into Gaza, he is one evil man. I could care less if he is the anti-fiat currency Messiah. Ron Paul is not running for Secretary of the Treasury. If he were running for the position of Economic Czar, then perhaps he is what America would need. But the entire man is one evil dude. His foreign policy is Looney Tunes. So in foreign affairs, just call him Dr. Loon.

    • eddie47d

      Dov; There was no Turkish invasion into Gaza so put down the Fruitloops. They were only sending in urgent aid and the Israeli government stopped this humanitarian gesture. Ron Paul’s policies would have avoided the Bin Laden’s of the world and none of our involvement in Iraq would have happened. His policy says we should stop poking them which gives them a reason to poke us back.Why do so many of you insist on doing the same thing over and over again when it’s not working.

      • Dov Bear

        No, they were Erdogan trained thugs armed with pipes and bedposts transporting concrete for Hamas missile launchers who beat the Israeli soldiers who were armed with paint guns as a first defense and pistols as a second defense. If Ron Paul were defending American shores against a similar invasion, he would have killed 110, not the nine or eleven that the Israeli soldiers killed in self-defense. Yet, that is the problem with the arrogant Dr. Loon. He condemned Israel for doing precisely what he would do if presented with the identical situation as POTUS. He does a calculation that the US will never be presented with identical circumstances while he is President, and he condemns the Jooos for creating those circumstances while Christians like Dr. Loon are protected by G-d from having such extenuating circumstances. So in the end it is always the fault of the Jooos, oh I am sorry, the Israelis for getting the world’s 1.3 billion Muslims to hate Americans.

        • eddie47d

          Even folks in Gaza need concrete for building homes and stores DOV. You are such an atrocious denier of basic human rights. I bet you have a decent dwelling to live in?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1207123702 marty

      Wow. You really make a lot of sense.

  • ROGER, Canadian Libertarian

    I wish I could disagree with you BOB, but you are right on, 100% and as much as I love to instigate the insane comments from many of the idiots and historically-challenged who inhabit your comments section, I cant….or…… maybe,just maybe,by agreeing with you they will tell me to “go home”, or “you Canadians have no right…….” , “loser Canadian” …or best of all…” No Libertarian would say……….” Fill in the blanks, Bob :-) and KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT work

  • W

    Oh yeah, Ron Paul 2012!

  • Ashley

    One of the first articles you’ve written Bob that I totally agree with!!!This was a wonderful article and I will be sharing it “liberally”LOL….

  • http://www.readwhatisee.com P Alfonso

    Sheepdog @

    In the name of Christian Democracy one million Iraqis lost their lives resisting an invading army. Christians have not grown out of the Crusades yet when they were foolishly misguided. But it would be false to blame faithful Christians for their only guilt is allowing the world’s oligarchs to fool them into believing that they are fighting for a just cause because we are threaten and Islam is evil. Take a look around and see the injustices and crimes that Christians are fooled into doing in the name of their religion.

    • Leo

      To P Alfonso : you are product of liberal propaganda . The Christians started Crusades AFTER muslim started killing christian . Do yourself a favor – educate yourself .

      • JeffH

        :( Yep, and good of you to point out what many have no clue of.

  • Leo

    What a crap . Muslims attack us cos we attack them first…. Hey , Bobby , have you read Koran lately ? We are the enemy cos we are not muslims . They are building the Califat and they will NEVER stop . Cos that’s why their exists , in their delusional minds . That’s what facking alla wont from them . Convert infidels to islam or die in process .Islam is the only religion which has no value in human life . Go on kill yourself and if you get kill few nonbelievers as well you get yourself nice place in muslims paradise with bunch of sex slaves . By the way , you gonna get not only girls virgins but little boys too . I bet you had no clue about that … Bottom line : it doesn’t mutter what we do or don’t to them . As long as we are remain nonbelievers we will be their enemy . According to Quran you , Bobby cannot even sit in presence of muslims . And have to pay them. And you cannot enter Mecca .Cos you are filthy infidel .( What if we ban them from entering the Vatican ? ) Is this our faults as well ? It doesn’t matter what kind of foreign policy we is going to have : Ron Paul’s , Obama’s or George W Bush’s – they always will hate us .Unless we all convert to islam and put on burka on our women .

    • Karolyn

      Well, Christianity tells them they will go to hell. Who’s right. Answer – NEITHER! Have you talked to any Muslims or even listened to any of them? And I’m not talking about extremists. Keep following your leaders without question, and see where that gets you.

      • FreedomFighter

        Yes K I have, he stated:

        “Radical Islam is a plague on mankind”

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • Karolyn

          I rest my case.

  • Chaslie

    Would somebody explain to me how America is reponsible for the killing of 600,000 Iraqi children? What 600,000 Iraqi children was Osama Bin-Laden refering to?

    • Leo

      Chaslie , that is crap . Only complete imbecile could believe that we killed 600.000 Iraqi children . And since when we start believing that what Bin Laden said is true ???? Great , now as an evident we take Bin Laden’s own words ! That’s insane ! You know what, after this moronic article this guy lost all credibility in my eyes . To cite Bin Laden like he is legitimate source – give me a break !

      • Michael Hardesty

        We killed more than two million Iraqis with sanctions even before W’s invasion. Secretary of State Madeline Albright acknowledged the 600,000
        children killed by our sanctions in a 1996 interview with Lesley Stahl
        on 60 Minutes. It has been documented in numerous sources since then.
        Leo, what is that brown, smelly stuff on your face ?

    • John

      According to the UN, and our own investigators, 600000 Iraqi children died as a result of the US led embargo of Iraq

    • eddie47d

      Cause and Effect Leo. Our old policies toward Iraq and the new policies caused alot of misery. Reagan arming Iraq,then the Iran-Iraq War,then the boycott and flyovers(Clinton/Bush,then more war and death.

  • KURT

    The burning question in my mind is…would the World have seen many less deaths had Hitler been stopped earlier?

    • John

      Yes, no doubt about it, it would have taken the world another 50 years or longer to develop the nuclear bomb, jet engines, ICBMs, rockets and other effective war instruments, all inventions that where made by the 3rd Reich or because of it….The historic fact of it is that America won the second world war because of the science of Hitlers regime. Fact of history is also that America has become a superpower because of the inventions and scientists of the 3rd Reich. If Hitler would have been taken out at a very early point in time …none of this would have been pushed forward or even attempted.

      • John Lilleburns ghost

        The Jet engine was invented in Britian

  • Angel Wannabe

    900 Military bases across the globe I think its safe to say, we’ve made or presence known. We’re the Policeman of the world. I say its enough!

    What ever that is being done has been done before. We fought the Muslims in the Crusades and I can’t see it stopping anytime soon. They’ve fought amongst themselves and they’re Brethren for thousands of years. We’re wise not to turn our backs.

    Problem is, is its not so much that they’re Muslims, the problem is, that they’re Muslims who believe, that anyone who is NOT like them, should be killed. Stating the Obvious, It’s not above them to sacrifice themselves for the sake of Allah.

    The picture that Media Propaganda has painted to the Middle East has only been what is WRONG here in America, not whats good about it.
    From and early age they are taught we are infidels to be destroyed.

  • Joanneo

    They put Ron Paul down every chance they get, or just ignore him like he is a nobody. I think he is the only one of the candidates that is telling the truth about what they really stand for. I do know all the others belong to the secret group. Our D.C. dwellers have sold us out 100%. There are only a few in office that believe as we do and are fighting to save America. The rest need to be jailed, all of their assets confiscated and added to our coffers. The U.N should have been thrown out of the US years ago. They are working towards the NWO which none of us will be happy with, and most will not survive. I have been counting on the national guard to help us out if things get out of hand, but now Obama has taken them over too. where do we go from here?? If we have an election this year, Ron is the only one I will vote for.

    • Eve

      So true Joanneo. Ron Paul is a threat to those who want a communist government ruling over all of us so they resort to name calling and lies. Maybe they are just too jaded and brainwashed to even want their American rights anymore. It does make you wonder. Anyone who wants a smaller government, our rights returned to us as states and citizens with the ability to vote on the things we want or don’t want within our state would intelligently research the candidates and deduce that Ron Paul is truly the only one offering that.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Joanneo_”where do we go from here?”_-Hope like hell the elections aren’t rigged as bad this year, like they have been in the past!

      __Every once in a while, the TPTB let We The People elect one of our own, just so we continue to think as though as we still have a Constitution and we still have a say in who gets elected, we’re about due!__Sadly its been years since we’ve controlled the election process…..

  • cawmun cents

    So now we are shifting the paradigm to Isolationism,or World Policing?
    Well a century of doing one should tell you that we might possibly want to try the other.
    But what do I know?
    Apparently very little…….
    -CC.

  • Eve

    I am amazed at the people posting who do not understand the difference between two english words…isolation and intervention…also it seems some folks are posting and have not bothered to go to Dr. Paul’s site to check out their informationt so they read like liars. It represents the lazy attitude seen so often today with very important issues. How sad.

  • Stephen

    It’s oil that America is addicted to. If we keep the Mideast in turmoil, we artificially keep the price of domestic oil high. Further development in domestic energy would only drive down the price to Americans. The government wants to keep energy costs artificially high. Why? CONTROL. We cut off Mideast oil, or have others do so for us, and then we sell domestic oil to others for the very high cost and our government wins.

    It’s much better to keep the minds of Americans on as many other topics as possible to hide what is really happening. Big government does this by may tactics: Class Warfare, Social Warfare, Drug Warfare, Immigration Warfare, etc. are real by design. Let’s keep those tax dollars coming into government so we can keep the status quo. Those in power here in America, not all who are in government, have a good thing going and want to keep it.

    Until we totally change our great country back into the republic of which it was created, then we are doomed to continue with the same mistaken policies which now prevail. A true Constitutional Based Candidate would, in fact, be our best hope for change. Our current guy, the Obamir, placed his hand on a bible and swore to uphold the Constitution; and he lied. Many others now in government are also liars. Until we clean house, with term limits in our government, then we are doomed to the insanity of making the same mistakes over and over again.

    Let’s take back America this November by voting correctly. Pay close attention to the people behind the curtains and educate yourselves to the facts about each candidate. Your ID identifiably vote is critical at this point in our Country’s history. I will vote. My vote is private and I want the current candidates to earn it.

  • Tom B.

    I find myself agreeing with many points made, However, your writing seems to imply that Muslims would “love us” back if we just left them alone – which of course, is completely delusional. I think we would actually be less safe, but perhaps would be better able to defend ourselves, not having squandered billions on pointless wars and countless loss of American lives. It would be one thing if we actually accomplished something in Iraq, but the headlines of the past few weeks are a harbinger of things to come. As Jimmy D. already commented – the goal of Islam is to kill the infidels. Our biggest mistake was and still is in thinking that Muslims can even comprehend what democracy is, much less embrace it. Islam is completely incompatible with freedom and democracy – period.

    No mentioned at all here is the mission of the Arab world to destroy Israel – should we stop supporting Israel? I think that would be a big mistake, as they are really the only bastion of stability in the region.

    Not sure that complete isolationism is the best answer, but clearly we need to define goals that are truly in the best interest of the US as a country, and not the financial interests of the oil companies, banks, etc.

    • Dov Bear

      You ask the question: “No mentioned at all here is the mission of the Arab world to destroy Israel – should we stop supporting Israel? ” About 40% or even more of Ron Paul supporters would smile to that question and say yes. And I am not talking about foreign aid which obviously has to cease since America is already broke. Yes, even in the area of moral support and support in the UN Security Council about 40% of Dr. Loon supporters would happily applaud the destruction of Israel or at the very least could care less whether it survives or not. Most people are naive about what hard core Ron Paul supporters really want. They think that it is all about Libertarian constitutional principles and the end of the fiat currency of the Federal Reserve. For many that is what it is all about, and G-d bless them. But there is an insidious side of support for Ron Paul, and in the end there are those who would have no problem if they gave him an occasional Sieg Heil as long as they kept their guns and their freedoms. Well here is the message for them. It might take a couple of years, but under Ron Paul, they will end of losing both but especially a bunch of their freedoms that they thought were so secure. I have never met a real Israel hater who in the end would not mind giving up a few freedoms if the Israel lovers were rounded up. I wish Michelle Bachmann were still running, but it is not to be. We could have had a woman who supports true freedom and recognizes the moral difference between Israel and its enemies. As imperfect as Rick Santorum is, he is far better than Dr. Loon and far more sane.

  • Guy Rich

    One thing we all have to understand, nations are a lot like street-gangs. It’s all about power and money. Study history very very carefully, and you’ll see that this is an old old story. Something else we have to understand, The Presidency either makes or brakes the person in office. I’m 63 and I’ve seen my share of presidential elections. What people say when running for preseident and what they actually do, very often are worlds apart.
    I remember when I was in Viet-Nam, one of our Lieutenants said “….
    They warned me…if I voted for Barry Goldwater, I’d wind up in Viet-Nam…well I voted for him and here I am…”
    All Americans need to stop all this name-calling and back-stabbing.
    As Abraham Lincoln once said, para-phrasing Jesus; “..A house divided
    cannot stand..”
    All of us that comprise the American electorate have to start demanding of all of these office seekers that they give us a plan.
    Not these hackneyed worn out cliches I’ve heard for over 50 years now.

  • the unfortunate truth

    Leo should go watch ron paul on the house floor in 1998 warning that our sanctions in iraq and our occupation and propping up of dictators would lead to terror attacks against americans . Ron paul has been trying to make us safer since before 911 . And no one would listen to man sounding the alarm. Ring the bell of liberty for america and ron paul .

    • cawmun cents

      Its hard to hear anything with your head planted firmly in your posterior.Listening is not a trait the worlders posess.
      Its like talking to a pile of scat,and expecting the candy coating to magically appear in front of your eyes.
      -CC.

      • the unfortunate truth

        Hehehe , true the deaf can hear better than some with two working ears. :)

  • rhrenaud

    We live in a country,a secular society, where we have freedom of religion and freedom from religion. Islamic fundamentalists and christian fundamentalists have no right dictating how we live our lives.Kudos to RON PAUL.

  • Larry

    Bob, this article made me feel very uncomfortable with you. I kept reading and waiting for you to drop the other shoe. You sound like a “Truther”. And yet, with all those quotes from Osama bin Laden, you did not mention any Muslim Brotherhood activity, nor the hatred of Western Civilization which has been coming out of the Wahabi schools in Saudi Arabia since the 12th century. NONE OF THAT had anything to do with Iraq, Israel, Iran or the Palestinians. Nor did you point out that modern Islamic terrorism had its beginning in the 1880s in Indonesia shortly after Krakatoa blew its top. No, Bob, there is far more involved here on the Islamic hate side that neither you nor Paul give credit to. You haven’t sold me on Paul’s view.

    • the unfortunate truth

      By your logic , we should declare war on the christians for starting the crusades . You have presented some facts. But should we declare war on christians from oklahoma with blond hair and blue eyes like timothy mcveigh , after all, the crusades have been going on for centuries . And after all, christians have bombed abortion clinics .

      Context is what matters. The cia tells us of blowback in relation to foreign policy, not foreign policy from the twelfth century , but the one we live in now and the twentieth century . We are not dealing with the crusades . But when you occupy a land, you give religious zealots a common cause to unite against . If you leave them be they will fight for control of their own land .

      If the united states declared war on christianity , you may see an increase in fundamentalist christians groups and terrorism .

      You say not possible , have you ever seen an abortion clinic bombed?

      Imagine if the middle east was one big nation and we were broken up into fifty states. Imagine if they had bases in our fifty states . Imagine if christians retaliated for the occupation . Imagine that the middle east blamed this on crazy christians who were terrorists . Imagine if there was a large country called the middle east who had declared was against christofascism and all the christians terrorists in america . Might you see an increase in christian terrorism . Might it create terrorists who want to get the middle east occupiers out of the state of texas or new york ?

      Imagine this and you may understand why they do what they do ….

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Larry,
      You write: “You sound like a ‘truther.’” I do not believe the “official” story as reported by the U.S. government and endorsed by the 9/11 Commission Report. Of course, members of the 9/11 Commission don’t believe their report either. It is evident to me that 9/11 was a false flag operation.

      I’m not sure what you mean when you reference “Muslim Brotherhood activity.” I am aware that the U.S./NATO coalition backed the Muslim Brother and al-Qaida-related groups in Libya when they ousted Gadhaffi.

      I did not point out those other things you mentioned because they are not relevant to the discussion.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • middleground

    Most people who are against Ron Paul are because they feel his foreign policy is to far to the left(isolationist)and I agree. But I think most also feel that the U.S. has been way to far to the right(interventionists)for a long time!! Does anyone really think if Ron Paul gets elected for 4 years(can’t see him around longer)that he would be able to take us from where we have been, back to the total opposite?? Or do you think we might just end up in the little saner middle ground for awhile????

    • John

      I like Bobs article, it is well written and spot on. I also can see the point of the haters on this site that are blinded to reality, short sighted, and only see what they want to see. That is what blinders do, and unless the people are willing to take them off, nothing will change in their life’s. And nothing anyone will say or do will ever change those peoples mind unless they take actions them self and have a willingness to learn.
      But, that said, I have several problems with Ron Paul
      a) Unless he is the GOP nominee, a vote for Ron Paul will be a vote for Obama.
      b)Should by a miracle Ron Paul be elected, the problems will be just
      starting. Nobody not even members of the TP in the bought for corrupt congress is supporting anything he is proposing now.

      Once he is president,congress will unite….against Ron Paul. He will be a lame duck president from the start.
      Remember, the president of this country does NOT write laws nor does he have any power to change the direction this country is going. Yes he writes the policy, but if congress does not go with it he is doomed. Everything he does, can, and in this case will be either vetoed and overwritten by congress or taken to court and thrown out. For one simple reason, the ptb spend a lot of money to get this country where it is today, to maximize profits on the backs of the citizens…and the bought for congress and supreme court will do anything it has to do to keep it this way.

  • Robert, TX

    Thanks, Bob. You are absolutely right about the only ones winning are the globalists (Soros) and the totalitarians. Which is precisely why Obama did not change anything about Iraq and Afghanistan. Ron Paul, like Barry Goldwater, knows we do not have to send our brave troops into these outhouse pits – there are other ways to project power. If Ron Paul would also attack these criminals who are gambling with OUR energy futures markets, we could get control of our fuel prices AND attract millions of hard-working democrats to vote for him.

  • Larry Castle

    Now that you have identified your self as a Ron Paul supporter it would explain some of the comments you have made over the last few months Bob.
    I have some questions I would like you to respond to.
    1) What the U.S. and its European allies have sought is hegemony over the entire Mideast, not to establish democracy, but to control the oil and other resources there to the benefit of a few fascist elites.
    - Question: So you are now calling America and European Allies Fascist?
    2) If you buy the official government line about the 9/11 attacks — that Osama bin Laden encouraged 19 cave dwellers to come to America and learn to fly airliners so they could commandeer them and fly them into two New York skyscrapers, the Pentagon and some other undetermined building in Washington, D.C. — then logic suggests you must also accept the reason bin Laden gave for orchestrating the attacks. If you buy the official government line about the 9/11 attacks — that Osama bin Laden encouraged 19 cave dwellers to come to America and learn to fly airliners so they could commandeer them and fly them into two New York skyscrapers, the Pentagon and some other undetermined building in Washington, D.C. — then logic suggests you must also accept the reason bin Laden gave for orchestrating the attacks.
    - Question: so the people you say are Cave Dwellers – Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Do you know or care that we have trained some of these same people how to fight, use our weapons, fly our Military Aircraft, and run American made ships. Most of that training was started by one Jimmy Carter to try and play nice with the middle east. We trained them to make bombs (IED’s) so they could defend themselves against oppressors to their countries, and then like the majority of the people over there they turn around and take our people hostage, they kill our people on cruses, they take people hostage that are not even military, and now you want a president that says that is alright? Bob I have my doubts as to whether you have ever been in these cultures that you speak so highly of. Do you realize that in Iran for example, if you are anything other than a Muslim if you are caught on the street they will cut your throat. From behind I might add, and leave you lay where you drop, not because you did anything against them, just because you are not muslim.
    - Does it make a difference to you that (Dr. Paul ) that you stand behind so greatly was one of the loudest voices for the US to supply shoulder fired surface to air missiles to the Taliban when Afghanistan was being over run by the Russian Army, he was one of the loudest voices that we should stand with Pakistan when India first developed their nuke weapons?
    3) Bin Laden went on to say, “We as Muslims have a strong feeling that binds us together… We feel for our brothers in Palestine and Lebanon…
    - Do you know that your buddy there Bin Laden – was one of the reasons that Somolia turned into the mess it did, ask your self why – He went to Somolia to get the war lords down there to attack the Russian companies because they would not allow the Muslims to use the factories (tractors etc.) as a prayer site because of safety in the plants that’s why. – when it all came apart then we got involved, and when we were backing our troups out the convoys that we bringing water, food and fuel to the people were attacked everyday and good people trying to help were killed, why – because we were not muslim that is why, don’t try to white wash this stuff it is what it is.
    - Do you know or care that (Bin Laden and Hamas) killed 150,000 people in Palestine because the were not what they call the brother hood of Islam.
    4) while the deaths of 600,000 Iraqi children did not receive the same reaction.” Fisk writes that this was bin Laden’s first reference to Iraq and to the U.N. sanctions that were to result, according to U.N. officials themselves,
    - Yes and guess what I did not hear Ron Paul screaming about Saddam Hussein killing 360,000 of his own people because they were not of his Islamic Sect, I didn’t not hear Ron Paul screaming about how the Iraq government was killing over 1 million Iranians with mustard, Saran, etc Biological weapons during the Iran / Iraq war. I did not hear Ron Paul Screaming about one of our frigate the USS Cole being attacked by Iraq when we were trying to assist them in keeping the ports open in the Gulf, what exactly do you think we were doing there during that time, on vacation?
    - I heard Ron Paul scream about the Air Bus the USS Vincent shot down in the gulf, but just in case you are interested did you know that the Air Bus was squacking IFF as a mig fighter that had previously been sold by the Russians to Iraq, and that after it was shot down that every person on that plane was Naked (without clothes) seams like that was something that the nicer, kinder, Ron Paul never bothered to mention.
    5) Your statement from Bin Laden: God knows it did not cross our minds to attack the Towers, but after the situation became unbearable — and we witnessed the injustice and tyranny of the American-Israeli alliance against our people in Palestine and Lebanon — I thought about it.
    - really then can you explain why Bin Laden was rejected and it was mandated by the Saudie family that he leave and not return to Saudie Arabia, after he approached the King and asked for funds from the Royal family to mount an attack on the USA?
    6) It’s clear that U.S. policies in the Mideast have created blowback. Yet our government overlords and all but one of the GOP Presidential beauty contestants tell us that we must occupy Mideast nations, attack their citizens with drones, bomb them with NATO planes and place crippling sanctions on them in order to keep us safe.
    - Do you have any idea why the US is paid 100’s of Million dollars a year by the Saudie Arabia empire to maintain their war ships, war planes and protect them from the rest of the countries around them like Iraq / Iran / Serria / Somolia, Palastine etc.
    7) We’ve been doing this to one Mideast country or another since 1990 (in addition to decades of backchannel and secretive CIA and non-government organization meddling in other countries’ affairs).
    - I take it that you were either asleep or maybe not old enough to know what happened before 1990, maybe that is why you know nothing about what the country of Israel went through that prompted them to undertake the 7 days war. I don’t hear Dr Paul condemning the Syrians, Egyptians Lybia etc. for the 1600 attacks on Israel in the 10 months leading up to the 7 days war.
    8) DHS, has been created and granted overarching unConstitutional powers to “keep us safe” because of it.
    - And guess who was in Congress and said not a thing to the American people about this until he all of a sudden wants the votes of the American people to become president, yep that’s right Dr. Paul, It would be to your and every ones benefit to actually go and pull up the voting records from congress before you buy into the bull that is being spouted in this campaign. Dr Paul Ryan is no different than any of the other Washington D.C. insiders make no mistake, he and they will say anything to get your vote, but none of them will stand behind their statements once in office.

    • Joyce

      Middle Ground, Why don’t you leave and go to a country you love and respect?

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Larry Castle,

      I will try and address your questions and unsubstantiated claims one by one. You ask:

      “Question: So you are now calling America and European Allies Fascist?” Yes

      “Question: so the people you say are Cave Dwellers – Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Do you know or care that we have trained some of these same people how to fight, use our weapons, fly our Military Aircraft, and run American made ships…” Yes. And thanks for making my case for me.

      “Do you know that your buddy there Bin Laden – was one of the reasons that Somolia turned into the mess it did… we were not muslim that is why, don’t try to white wash this stuff it is what it is.” Where do you get bin Laden is my “buddy?” Was that just a sarcastic remark in an effort to belittle me? If so, why do you feel the need to resort to childish behavior? The Black Hawk down incident is a prime example of U.S. meddling where it didn’t belong. Other than that, I’m unsure whether your history lesson is factual or of the relevance of Somalia to this discussion.

      “Do you know or care that (Bin Laden and Hamas) killed 150,000 people in Palestine because the (sic) were not what they call the brother hood of Islam.” I have no knowledge if this is true. A lot of propaganda is generated out of that region to direct policy one way or the other. If that is the case, it is unfortunate, but not the U.S.’s problem.

      “Yes and guess what I did not hear Ron Paul screaming about Saddam Hussein killing 360,000 of his own people because they were not of his Islamic Sect…” Actually, Ron Paul did have something to say about some, if not all, of those incidences. You can find it if you care to.

      “really then can you explain why Bin Laden was rejected and it was mandated by the Saudie (sic) family that he leave and not return to Saudie (sic) Arabia, after he approached the King and asked for funds from the Royal family to mount an attack on the USA?” I have no knowledge that this is true, nor do I care to speculate, as it is irrelevant to the discussion.

      “I take it that you were either asleep or maybe not old enough to know what happened before 1990, maybe that is why you know nothing about what the country of Israel went through that prompted them to undertake the 7 days war. I don’t hear Dr Paul condemning the Syrians, Egyptians Lybia etc. for the 1600 attacks on Israel in the 10 months leading up to the 7 days war.” I have been writing since 1969 and am well aware of the history of the region. You do not hear because your ears are closed. Dr. Paul has said we should not be dictating Israel’s foreign policy.

      “And guess who was in Congress and said not a thing to the American people about this until he all of a sudden wants the votes of the American people to become president, yep that’s right Dr. Paul, It would be to your and every ones benefit to actually go and pull up the voting records from congress before you buy into the bull that is being spouted in this campaign.” You are quite misinformed. Dr. Paul has long talked about (and more importantly, voted against) these liberty-crushing, fascist measures. You, sir, are the one who needs to study the voting records.

      “Dr Paul Ryan is no different than any of the other Washington D.C. insiders make no mistake, he and they will say anything to get your vote, but none of them will stand behind their statements once in office.” This is a non sequitur. I have not mentioned Dr. (sic) Paul Ryan.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

    • Michael Hardesty

      Iraq never killed “360,000″ of his “own” people.
      Nor do the Kurds consider themselves Iraqis.
      A few thousand Kurds were killed in ONE incident in 1987 in Iraq
      and Reagan Admin. claims it was by Iran at the time.
      The “1,000,000″ figure is bogus too. A million people died in the Irag-Iran War by BOTH sides.
      Larry, you are a genuine dummy.

  • Almerin

    If we had done 50 years ago what Ron Paul is telling us now this would be a very different world. Part better and part worse. We made many tangling alliances with nefarious dictators whom we needed as allies against the Soviet Union — “The Evil Empire.”For example, when the Aswan High Dam was proposed, as I recall, Eisenhower’s Secy of State, Dulles, refused to help the Egyptians finance it, so the Soviets immediately sent in about 140 “technicians” and funded it and helped build it. Thus began decades of Marxist influence in Egypt — which we ultimately felt we had to deal with. Our foreign policy stupidity led to many, many mistakes which our CIA then was sent in to “rescue” us from, all throughout the Mideast and elsewhere.”Before the fall of the Soviet Union we faced many difficult foreign policy situations, made more difficult by our cultural and world history ignorance.Unfortunately, going forward, we will need a mix of Ron Paul’s non-interventionist policy and our current military defensive/offensive position. Sad to say. “Things are the way they are because they got that way,” and we still have a lot of fires we started and need to put out. They hate us out there, so we are obliged to defend ourselves from that blowback. But we also need a very bold and “aggressive” policy of staying out of other people’s squabbles and mending relationships where we can.Jesus taught us a way of peace which is extremely difficult but much more effective when understood and correctly applied. He didn’t suggest we blow up our enemies, any more than he said we should turn their other cheeks, although that is often a more gut-satisfying knee-jerk response to some. More practicing Christians should stand up, speak up and act out their faith. Then the world wouldn’t have to learn about this great faith and way of life from the perversions that CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the drive-by media atheists teach.

  • http://mine d:-)

    Why the hell would an airliner squack a “MIG IFF signal”, particularly when flying towards a US armada? Makes no sense, like the rest of your rant. The clue to the naked bodies after the jet was shot down~ try hitting the water at terminal velocity, see how your clothes stay on!!

    • Larry Castle

      D can you spell setup. and further more if you don’t like that think about the radar on the Air bus vs the Mig. It takes some work to make the change over not anything that can be done by switching modes.

  • T.A.Wathen Jr.

    Bob, Bob, Bob!!! A little lesson in history: The etymology of the word “Palestinian” in English is derived from the Old French word “Philistin,” from Late Latin it is “Philistinus,” and from Late Greek, “Philistinoi.” They were not an Arab or a Semitic people, but were more closely related to the ancient Greeks and originated in the Aegean region of Asia Minor. Any student of the Bible knows that the Philistines were enemies of Israel.

    In the history of the Philistines is also the story of the young Hebrew man, David, son of Jesse, who was incensed that a Philistine warrior was allowed to challenge the one true God. The enemy of Israel had advanced to the Valley of Elah and there challenged the Israelites. They produced a brobdingnagian (gigantic) champion, Goliath of Gath. David volunteered to fight the giant and went out to face him with his slingshot and five smooth stones he had retrieved from a dry river bed. He slipped one of the stones into his sling and smote the Philistine on the forehead. He used the giant’s own sword to behead him. Jehovah God gave David the courage and skills not only to face Israel’s enemy, but to kill the challenger. The Israelites pursued the Philistines all the way to the city of Ekron.

    The Philistines were ultimately defeated, absorbed into the Babylonian/Persian Empire, and by the late fifth century BC, had disappeared.

    In 135 BC, Simon bar Kokhba, a Jew, proclaimed himself Prince of Israel, Son of the Star, the Messiah, and led a revolt against the Romans. The Roman governor and two legions of soldiers were defeated. Bar Kokhba controlled the state of Israel from the Fort of Herodium just south of Jerusalem. His coins were inscribed, “Year one—the redemption of Israel.”

    The Roman emperor, Hadrian, in response razed 985 villages and killed almost 600,000 Jews. Hadrian wiped Jerusalem and Judea off the map and deliberately renamed the area Palaestinia after the Jews’ ancient enemy, the Philistines.

    • http://Personalliberty Tony

      To T.A. Wathen Jr.:
      Something i would like to add the modern day Palestinian people are actually descendants of the Babylonians and caanites. Granted the Babylonians did absorb the Philistines; however, the Palestian Arabs are somewhat indigenous people to that region. Thanks!!

      • Tom W.

        That means that they were half Arab, half Persian. The word Palestinian was a made up word used so eloquently by Yesser Arifat giving the impression that they were the true natives of that land. Mark Twain wrote of the Holy Land when he visited it in the late 1800′s, that it was the most desolate God forsaken land he’d ever seen. Nobody wanted that land until it was relinquished to the Jews by the British following WWI. This once barren wasteland is now almost the largest supplier of produce to the EU, fulfilling the prophecy from the book of Isaiah that the desert would blossom as a rose! The Jewish people have irregated that land with their blood, sweat, and tears and aren,t ready to give it up without a fight. Ever heard of the Sampson Option Tony? Bibi said it so perfectly that if the PLO would lay down their arms, there would be peace, but if Israel were to lay their’s down, there would be no more Israel.
        Mah Shalomkah Tony!

  • Henry Ledbetter

    I would recommend every one read and ask God for His Wisdom in understanding Romans Chapter Eleven and especially verse twenty-five. For the last two thousand years, the time of the Gentiles has been in progress but the time of the Gentiles must be fulfilled; and as such, come to an end. Everyone who is not Jewish is considered by The Lord God to be a Gentile A house divided against itself can not stand for long. Out of all whom I have listened to, SARAH PALIN understands that we must come together in order to win the game that seems to be in overtime. “It is not God’s will that any should perish but that all would come to eternal life.” Eternal life for Jew and Gentile alike can only come by believing in The Lord Jesus Christ. “Believe in your heart and confess with thy mouth The Lord Jesus Christ and THOU SHALL BE SAVED.” It seems to me that most have ignored God’s playbook ( Bible) and it may take only one play on your part to secure your soul and anchor in heaven.

  • http://www.America-Betrayed-1787.com Dennis Oliver Woods

    I agree with most of what you are saying, Bob, but the comment about Ron Paul’s abuse of earmarks appears to be legitimate. Plus, there are some YouTube videos that indicate Ron Paul is Freemason, his wife Eastern Star and his children Rainbow Girls. If true, that would put him in the same camp as the globalist conspirators. How do you explain that?

    • John

      Be careful to cite U-tube as evidence for anything… remember, any 10 year old pimple faced child can make videos with the most outlandish claims and post them on u-tube. U-tube has become the venue of terrorists, conspiracy nuts, trolls and others. Yes there are some good videos, but one has to be very careful about the majority of them and use common sense in viewing them. Always ask yourself this simple question : what agenda does the person posting this video have.

      Its a lot like the internet, where for $4.95 a year one can make up a name and become a research institute, international corporation, expert, and more for anything you want. Free software makes it possible to build a website that looks professional and looks like its comes from a legit organization…although the owners sits in mommas basement and dreams up his stories in between hits on his bong or the shots of meth.

      It’s user beware….

    • eddie47d

      I’ve been saying that for some time now John in how videos on the Internet are not much more than manipulated propaganda. Not all are reliable sources of information.

      • http://www.America-Betrayed-1787.com Dennis Oliver Woods

        On the surface, I am very much attracted to much, if not most of what Ron Paul is saying, but here is another internet site with apparent documentation of his Freemasonry. Here are a few excerpts from http://watch.pair.com/synarchy-6.html I would really like to know how all of this ties together?

        “Ron Paul’s family are members of Freemasonry and the Order of the Eastern Star, according to someone who should know—Penny Freeman, his Congressional campaign political director and district volunteer coordinator for 10 years:

        “Ron Paul was initiated in the Lambda Chi Alpha Fraternity at his alma mater, Gettysburg College, in Pennsylvania. The November 2007 issue of Lambda Chi Alpha’s publication, Cross & Crescent, proudly announced “Ron Paul’s Presidential Bid.” Ron Paul was not only a member but a leader of Lambda Chi Alpha.

        “The June 2006 issue of Cross & Crescent featured an article about the initiation ritual of Lambda Chi Alpha, which was formulated by 33º Mason and Worshipful Master of a Masonic Lodge, John E. Mason. “John (‘Jack’) E. Mason – Master Craftsman””

  • http://elliesmiles@hotmail.com Country First

    Bob, thanks for an informative article that truly clarifies Ron Paul’s foreign policy position. I watch these debates and listen to the pundits claim who the victor is and often wonder if they are watching and seeing what I am. In all of the debates where Ron Paul has been given the opportunity to speak, he is clearly the winner and the only candidate that makes any sense. People continue to dismiss him on his foreign policy stance, I say give him a chance to prove he is actually right since, we already know the other candidates presidential agenda is to continue the failed policies of this and previous administrations.

  • HarryButtle

    Surprisingly, I find myself in agreement with some of what you say. But, I was seriously offended by your use of the term “cave dwellers”. It’s bigoted, flat out wrong and contributory to future attacks. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were from middle-class backgrounds and had at least some university education. According to the FBI, at least one, Ziad Jarrah, had a Christian upbringing.

    I do agree that everything George Bush said about the “War on Terror” was drivel and nonsense. When I hear some Republican say that Muslims hate our freedoms, I am reminded of bin Laden’s comment that if they hated freedom they would have attacked Sweden.

    The build-up to a war with Iran is pretty much the same as the build-up to war with Iraq: full of obvious lies that only an innocent or an ideologue would excuse. It is apparent to me that most Americans don’t realize how much bigger and stronger Iran is than was Iraq. They also don’t realize that in the days following 9/11 we had an excellent chance to accept Iran’s help as an ally in the fights against al Qaeda, the Taliban and Saddam Hussein, all mortal enemies of Iran. But, Bush burned that opportunity.

    But Ron Paul’s understanding of macroeconomics is high school level at best. Also, he seems to believe that the United States is governed by the Articles of Confederation.

  • Susan

    Seems to me that the videos I’ve seen of Libya a year ago and those filmed during our “Humanitarian Mission” and at this point in time should be required viewing for All Americans. And during its viewing, Citizens should remember that the nato aka USA “Kinetic Action” was ‘required’ by United Nations Resolution (and accomplished by our prez, sans Congressional Authority, after he’d Chaired the U.N. Commission…and wanted to bring “credibility” to the that…group. Can you even believe that the U.N. could/would dictate to the USA, a SOVEREIGN NATION?)

    But then, Libya had a National Bank, free from the clutches of the Globalists (and there is evidence of OUR Federal Reserve’s borrowing money from China in our name and transferring same to that Bank just prior to our attacking.) And Libya had oil, gold, and…WATER…and the incredible Aqueduct built over years. Libyan citizens also had a high standard of living. THAT COULD NOT STAND! We had to “Humanitarian Mission” them.

    Our Drones may sanitize the horror for those doing the ‘inflicting’, but go ahead… VIEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON THE GROUND, as we killed tens of thousands of Libyans. See what we’ve left of Libya. And by the way, Hillary smiled broadly as she shook the hand of the “New AlQueda Leader of Libya”.(caption under photo.)

    I seldom cry; I wept.

    Numerous adms and congressional delegations have been involved in bringing us to this Nightmare. And the extended UNPatriotic Act and the NDAA will silence those of us who Dissent.

    Welcome to the NEW WORLD ORDER.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Whizzer

    “Turn the other cheek” is in reference to an insult…. not a bodily threat to do harm. The vast majority of you people, including good old Ron Paul and Bob L. are woefully ignorant of properly understanding Bible doctrine! If any of you really want to understand Scripture (old & new testament) I whole heartily recommend John McArthur Jr. – gty.org There you will find a proper Biblical understanding of what government is required to do according to Scripture, along with insightful explainations of Islam. Now do your homework and quit talking like your butt is made of paper!

    • Karolyn

      Whizzwe says: “proper Biblical understanding of what government is required to do according to Scripture,” How can anyone claim to have the “proper” Biblical understanding of anything? There are so many translations and interpretations, how can one be held over another? I guess it all depends on whch one a person agrees with, right? It’s all in the perspective.

      • John

        Anyone who believes that the book that can be bought for $10 in the christian bookstore today is a true representation of the bible that was in use during the early christian years before the Roman emperor and future pope removed 80% of the original scripts because they did not support his vision of how the masses should worship, is plain delusional. Uncounted books and scriptures where removed and destroyed during those years and what is left is but a shadow of the truth.

        • Jay

          You are correct John. The book of Enoch, mentioned by Jesus, and Paul, is but one example. When one reads from the book of Enoch, one quickly realizes why it was omitted from the Canonical collection. If you wish, you can read the book of Enoch here: http://www.hiddenbible.com/enoch/online2.html

      • Tom W.

        It’s all in the name JESUS. It’s obvious you have no biblical understanding. But you know what Karolyn? He still loves ya Darlin’!

  • Stephen

    The Islamist Winter: New Report Suggests Extremist Views Winning in Libya

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/04/islamist-winter-new-report-suggests-extremist-views-winning-in-libya/?test=latestnews#ixzz1ib2S3zzL

    http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/dhs_crcl_terminology_08-1-08_accessible.pdf
    Straight from our Department of Homeland Security:
    **** ”The fact is that Islam and secular democracy are fully compatible – in fact, they can make each other stronger.” (THEIR GLOBAL GOAL)

    Regardless of what you call what we’re doing in these Islamic countries via. U.N./NATO, the end result is “democracy”, which makes Islam/Sharia law stronger.
    Are we fighting for the Sunni Islamists (which hate us) against the Shiite Islamists (which hate us) OR vise versa? The problem is Islam. They are all Islamists. Why are we helping them make Islam & Sharia law stronger? If we stayed out of their war against each other, wouldn’t they continue to kill more of each other (Islamists) and thus less of us (Christians/Jews)? We are only “liberating” Islamists to kill more Christians/Jews are we not?
    Now with the USA being controlled by a Marxist/Islamist dictator in chief, Obama is set to unite all the Islamic “democracies” against Israel. Can you name a “republican” presidential candidate that does NOT support Obama’s foreign policy?

  • C. R.

    Thank you for telling the truth. I have lived/worked outside the USA and I can tell you we have over several decades (mostly run by Democrats and a few Repubs) made enemies because we stuck our nose in their country and business. We would not want that here so why are we doing all this undercover stuff in their countries. Why are we killing our military women and men for idiocies like this? Ron Paul (and remember Geo. Washington? he, too, was an Isolationist!) is right on target. You don’t win with vinegar but with honey and being a good neighbor. In today’s world, with the weaponry that is available, no country is safe whether the USA or not, so why expend our lives and money to (not) help other countries. The Muslim Brotherhood is taking over everywhere we have “helped??” and on our dime and deaths. Enough is enough. We need to get America back on track and renew good relationships. This prez thinks he is a general and god and can continue stupidity along with Congress. This has to stop before the Muslims (remember Obama said when push comes to shove, he is on the side of Muslims!) take us over and use weaponry from afar to make it happen. We need a very strong defense department with modern weaponry to defend ourselves and not everyone else! Anyone who thinks we don’t needs their heads examined. Anyone who thinks we should just send our money, lives and help to encourage takeovers by other terrorists needs their head examined as well. Today’s world is not yesterday’s and we need to face that fact and get relationships in order (one way is for a prez not to bow to other leaders in the world nor insult them as this one has done. He has to go, go, go!)

  • John

    I would just like to ask all those that are “bashing” Ron Paul, Have you read The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution and do you as an American swear to an Oath to defend and support those founding documents of this great Country as the Troops have done? I would suggest you research WHO the Troops support by the precentage of donations to the candidate who lives by that same Oath. I truly believe the people that don’t understand Ron Paul’s principles are afraid of the FREEDOM that he speaks of, they don’t realize and understand the “principles” that the Founding Fathers fought and died for. We say “God Bless America”. Why should he “Bless” us after the things this Nation has done, the people that have been killed for OUR safety, what about their’s? Have we all forgotten the lesson; Do unto Others as You would want Others to do to You. As bad as this Country has been ie; the federal government trying to remove reference to GOD, killing his people around the world. He has “Blessed” us, He sent Ron Paul as one last chance to change our ways and return to the “principles” that He “Blessed” upon the Founding Fathers. Any other candidate Repub. or Dem. will lead this Country down the path to ruin. (No need to comment, this is My opinion to which is My RIGHT while we appear FREE)

  • Wyatt

    For those who insist on drinking the Ron Paul Koolaid , yes he doe’s have some valid ideas . Unfortunately , the senile old man is wrong on the middle east Iran and the Muslim world in general . Try reading the Koran , and not those cherry picked parts either , really read it . The Muslim Hoards swept out of the Arabian Deserts and across North Africa in the 7th century and then into Spain and France . The battled Charlamane and his Sons after until pushed back and held to Spain . There they settled in to many areas demanding tribute from the Spanish people. Only Castile fought back well enough to force them to remain in the southern And eastern areas . During the middle ages they controlled the Holy Land ,modern day Israel, and preyed on Christian pilgrims visiting the area and making subjects of the Jewish people . Beleiving they were the owners of the region they fought Jewish immigration back to there own lands in the 30′s and 40′s drinking Adolf Hitlers Koolaid , ignorant of the fact that he would turn on them had he won .
    When the state of Israel became an independent country they began a war to crush them and only world might stopped them . In 1955 Egypt tried to crush Israel and failed , They failed again in the six day and Yom Kipur Wars and have been trying to ever since . These ignorant people buy into the ideology of their leaders that all there problems are caused by Israel and the west who backs the Israeli State . Now Ron Paul wants us to believe they do not hate us . Think again Mr Paul . The hatred of Israel has now spread to hatred of the Christian World . The twisted minds of people like Yassar Arafat and Osama bin Laden and a host of communist taught terrorists into fanatics who use there religion as a cover for their actions . In bin Ladens case he began attacking the U.S. after being told by his own country to take a hike during the Gulf War . God knows it was purely revenge when he sent his bombers out to blow up embassy’s and the Cole . And then again when he sent a new group of suicide squads out to hi-jack airliners to take down the twin towers , Pentagon and the one intended for the White House that crashed in a Pennsylvania corn field .
    No Mr Paul , They don’t hate us. They simply wish to try and take the world over and make it a Muslim Empire . It’s a repeat of the sixth century once again . We have a alleged president who kisses up to them and Ron Paul is just going along , maybe for a different reason . Maybe it’s because he hasn’t the stomach to defend America .

  • the unfortunate truth

    So the most popular candidate can’t win !!! Ron paul is the only one with the name recognition to beat obama . He’s become a household name . The current president , who I cannot stand , got quite a bit of bashing on his way to the presidency . So keep hating ron paul . You are making him famous .

    And good post john.

    Bob livingston is the champ .

  • Carl

    I have to ask when as a policy of neutrality or “staying out of it” ever worked to this country’s advantage? Even the “non-interventionist” Thomas Jefferson found it necessary to try and engage in regime change.

    We can either be a driving force in foreign affairs or be driven by them. The idea that we can retreat behind a fortress America island and the everybody will leave us alone because we leave them alone is ludicrous at best.

    The idea that you can sustain a $15 trillion economy in isolation of from the rest of the world is equally stupid.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Whizzer

    Oh John John John …. you make my point for me! You my friend quote Jesus and you don’t have a clue what he was saying! Jesus was making reference to our personal interaction between one another, not to be confused with the role of government. You are entitled to your opinion, but it stinks like your butt! Ron Paul is not a “God send”. He is a confused, dangerous little man with a bunch of ignorant drones

    • http://none R Paul or status quo

      Whizzer, I’m curious to know what you “think” the role of government is? I believe your view is confused and dangerous, little girl.

    • John

      Let me guess; With a name like Whizzer you must have pissed all over yourself sometime in your life.

  • John Acord

    Eloquent and should be read and forwarded to the millions of Americans who are yet unconvinced Ron Paul is the true savior of the Republic and American liberties. Bob, you have out done yourself with this short, concise and complete summary of why we have ruined the legacy left to us Americans by our forefathers. If Ron Paul fails, we will face decades of chaos and poverty of mind, body and soul as well as intolerable decadence and descent into economic ruin. The end has already arrived. Pray and work for Paul’s success as after Paul there will be chaos.

  • Susan

    Bob Livingston, “There you go again.” Living up to your ‘moniker’. I appreciate your writing this good article. Thank you.

  • JR

    Thank you and well put. I don’t like Romney either, but the end of the matter is that we MIGHT be able to recover freedom from a Romney or Santorum presidency. If Bumbling Barack wins, there WILL be no recovery of America, ever. In sum, Paul is great. Let’s hope he does well. But a ham sandwich before Obumbler.

    BTW, we need a YOUNG Ron Paul. Someone who can help make an impression on some of those young, “Yes we can/Yes we have no bananas” lemmings. It is unfortunate it has come to this – style over substance – but we must at least recognize this, and try to deal with it (mostly by trying to bring those DWTS types into **knowledge** – but first, you somehow have to get their attention!)

  • Dan

    Thank you Bob. It is reassurning to know some people “get it”. Sadly, we are vastly outnumbered at present. Hopefully your newsletter is helping to change the situation. The brainwashing by the powers that be through their media outlets works very well. People are far too trusting of authority and seldom question the information they receive, much less the basis of their beliefs. A rational, objective, questioning mind is the most important tool any person can possess. Ron Paul has such a mindset, in stark contrast to his fellow candidates and the incumbent president.

  • chef

    Look all of you Neocon fascist paranoid nut cases that are afraid that there is a scary dark man in a beard and turban under your kitchen table , I have a few suggestions:

    1. filter your drinking water , remove the fluoride from your drinking water , it is dumbing you down (Google it if you know how) and has you believing that Bush/Cheny/Bush/Rummy/Rove actually are conservatives , love liberty and freedom and want to keep you safe…..they want none of it! Snap out of your paranoid delusions and get back to reality. The attack on your safety is coming from a source much closer than Iran of the MIddle East!! NDAA ( Google it if your know how) SOPA ( Google it if you know how)

    2. Ron Paul gets more donations to his campaign from active military than ALL the other candidates combined!!! Factoid Chuck! Research WHY they agree with him!! Pull your head out!

    3.Stop listening to the propagandist presstitutes who tell you what to think and who to like, do not forget , Rupert Murdoch and the Saudis OWN FOX, MSNBC received bailout money!!!!…….no agenda there??? THINK AGAIN! GET YOUR NEWS FROM ALTERNATIVE MEDIA WHICH IS NOW THE REAL MAINSTREAM MEDIA………..MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND!!GET OUT OF YOUR TRANCE!

    4.Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate running who has served in the military and it was during war time! Newt & Mit avoided the draft took deferments they are Chicken Hawks! They are NOT QUALIFIED to lead our military , neither is Rick or Barrack! Ron Paul is QUALIFIED TO BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF……get your head around that fact!

    5.Support Ron Paul ,the rest of the candidates are very very DANGEROUS!

    • NC

      Chef, why do you think more military donate to Mr. Paul than any other candidate. Does it really have anything to do with a belief that he will be less likely to send them into senseless combat or is there a more important reason??. What part of the military who does not contribute would you guess feels that way about not being deployed unless absolutely necessary? I was in service but that was 54 years ago and I’m afraid I might be of a different mind set than todays volunteer military> Actually I did volunteer but I was going to have to go anyway! Why Mr.Paul?

      • JeffH

        NC, you finally get back after the heavy beating you took over the weekend.

        • NC

          JeffH, if it pumps your ego to think you “beat” someone on this site you just mark it on your little pad, brush your teeth and go to bed. It’s after 9P.M NIGHT NIGHT! DON’T FORGET YOUR LUNCH.

          • JeffH

            NC, yes, you did take a factual beating “figuratively speaking” of course…and yes, I did enjoy shutting you up…just surprised you would come back for more…have a good nighty night yourself.

    • Jay

      Nice cooking chef, two thumbs up!

  • Carl

    Even James Madison (who with all respect to Dr. Paul knew more about the intent of the Constitution than Dr Paul will ever know) and Thomas Jefferson engaged in arm conflict and attempted regime change with congressional approval absent a formal declaration of war- the Barbary Wars I & II. They even had US Forces forward deployed away from the US in the Mediterranean and of the West Coast of Africa.

    They knew the difference between a Formal Declaration of War and authority for armed military action even if Dr. Paul does not. A Declaration of War brings into effect international treaties and laws that you may want to avoid and as Dr. Paul knows a ratified treaty is as much the law of the land as a the Constitution itself.

    Would Dr Paul have insisted on a formal declaration of war against France during the Quasi Naval War of 1798-1800? By not declaring war we avoided a full blown Land and Naval war , that we might not have won, and allowed for a more diplomatic solution. Would Ron Paul have insisted on a formal declaration of War before authorizing military action in Sumatra to protect US shipping form pirates in 1832? Under a Ron Paul foreign/defense policy would there even be US forces in the region to protect US interests?

    The US has only declared war 5 times in its History but engaged in hundreds of military actions absent a declaration of war. Most of these actions were short term and/or required swift action that did not permit long term debate in Congress or wait for US forces to deploy all the from US shores to protect US citizens and our interests overseas.

    • Jim C.

      Carl, how refreshing it is to finally see the “Declaration of War” concept fully and correctly described. I’ve always known that Jefferson and others engaged the military many times without such a “Declaration”. Also, I’ve always believed that the U.S. Constitution does NOT require such a “Declaration” for the President to engage the military, but I was unfamiliar with the specifics. Thank you for your explanation.

  • Carl

    “The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners.”
    Response of Tripoli Envoy when Adams and Jefferson asked to know by what right he was exacting these levies in 1786.

  • alexa

    When I look at the string of candidates, they remind me of the punch line, “Sheep lie.”

    • Joyce

      Alexandra,
      If you are making such a statement you must be a liberal supporting Obama. Now come clean!

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Another article campaigning for Ron Paul. Surprise surprise. NOT! Go ahead and throw your vote away your vote for an nearly 80 year old man. His debate performances have been miserable. Although I respect my elders 80 years old is too old for the office of the President. Ron Paul cannot and will not win the nomination for the Republican Party nor the general election. The Damn the rest of you attitude of the Paulistas is disheartening indeed. Four for years of Obama will destroy this country and everything that it once stood for.

    • Michael Hardesty

      He’s 76, not 80. You can’t even count. Many countries have older statesman. You logic is non compos mentos as usual.

  • Dale on the left coast

    Bob . . . displaying your 20/20 hindsight eh!!! Back in the day the world was living in fear of the commies . . . now we appoint them to positions in the WH and elect them to the Senate. Would the commies have played nicer if we had been nice to them . . . not likely.
    Ditto for izzzzlam . . . this group of loons has caused trouble since the 7th Century. Everywhere they have gone on the planet they have been the source of problems . . . cars are still burning in Paris . . . no go zones in France, UK and other countries in Europe . . . most of these folks are a couple of sermens away from strapping on a bomb . . . look at the ME today . . . well on its way to the next attempt at a global Califate.

  • Tom W.

    Your argument isn’t with the Israelis the US or the ‘Zionists’, your argument is with God!

    Genesis 12

    1Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

    2And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

    3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

  • Joseph

    Ron Paul and Bob Livingston, both a couple of screwballs!!!!

    • Tom W.

      Amen to that Joe!!! How is it this half senile old man can appeal to so many young voters?! I mean I agree with him on some of the domestic stuff, but when it comes to foreign policy he’s NUTS!!! Islam is not a holy religion, it’s pure EVIL!!! His stance on it can only be compared to Neville Chamberlain’s stance towards Nazism prior to WWII! The Muslim’s are on a quest to establish a world wide caliphate.

      • Karolyn

        It’s all in one’s perception.

        • Tom W.

          Oh really Karolyn? Here’s a little something to chew on Sweetie, more later, but right now I’m going to wash with warm water not sand!

          Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat…

          Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

          Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

          Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

          When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

          Here’s how it works:

          As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be, for the most part, regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

          United States — Muslim 0.6%
          Australia — Muslim 1.5%
          Canada — Muslim 1.9%
          China — Muslim 1.8%
          Italy — Muslim 1.5%
          Norway — Muslim 1.8%

          At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

          Denmark — Muslim 2%
          Germany — Muslim 3.7%
          United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
          Spain — Muslim 4%
          Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

          >From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

          France — Muslim 8%
          Philippines — 5%
          Sweden — Muslim 5%
          Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
          The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
          Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

          At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

          When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:

          Guyana — Muslim 10%
          India — Muslim 13.4%
          Israel — Muslim 16%
          Kenya — Muslim 10%
          Russia — Muslim 15%

          After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

          Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

          At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

          Bosnia — Muslim 40%
          Chad — Muslim 53.1%
          Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

          >From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of
          all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

          Albania — Muslim 70%
          Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
          Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
          Sudan — Muslim 70%

          After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced
          and in some ways is on-going in:

          Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
          Egypt — Muslim 90%
          Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
          Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
          Iran — Muslim 98%
          Iraq — Muslim 97%
          Jordan — Muslim 92%
          Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
          Pakistan — Muslim 97%
          Palestine — Muslim 99%
          Syria — Muslim 90%
          Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
          Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
          United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

          100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such
          as in:

          Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
          Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
          Somalia — Muslim 100%
          Yemen — Muslim 100%

          Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

          ‘Before I was nine, I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. — Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’

          It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

          Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century.

          Well, boys and girls, today we are letting the fox guard the henhouse. The wolves will be herding the sheep!

          Obama appoints two devout Muslims to Homeland Security posts. Doesn’t this make you feel safer already?

          Obama and Janet Napolitano appoint Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim, as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development.

          DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore in Kareem Shora, a devout Muslim who was born in Damascus , Syria , as ADC National Executive Director as a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC).

          NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant…? Just wondering.

          Devout Muslims being appointed to critical Homeland Security positions?
          Doesn’t this make you feel safer already??

          That should make the US homeland much safer, huh!!
          Was it not “Devout Muslim men” that flew planes into U.S. buildings
          10years ago?
          Was it not a Devout Muslim who killed 13 at Fort Hood ?

          Also: This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities. Can a good Muslim be a good American? This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

          Theologically -no . . .. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon God of Arabia

          Religiously – no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)

          Scripturally – no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

          Geographically – no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

          Socially -no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews..

          Politically – no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , the great Satan.

          Domestically – no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34)

          Intellectually – no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitutionsince it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

          Philosophically – no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression… Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

          Spiritually – no. Because when we declare ‘one nation under God,’ the Christian’s God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran’s 99 excellent names.

          Therefore, after much study and deliberation. … Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. – - – They obviously cannot be both ‘good’ Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish, it’s still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.

          Can a Muslim be a good soldier???

          Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, opened fire at Ft. Hood and Killed 13. He is a good Muslim!!!
          Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.
          SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

          THE MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S.

          • Tom W.

            DEATH BY A THOUSAND CUTS!!!

    • Angel Wannabe

      Joseph, Well at least someone has a job, paid troll or no paid trolls….LMAO!…you guys do it differently than the other trolls, at least the other ones offer up a lil’ MIS-INFORMATION before firing off insults…BUT Have a Nice Day! ;)

    • Jim C.

      Tom W., your citation of all those facts about Islam is quite impressive and convincing, but, sadly, we know they can’t be true. Why? Because Ron Paul says they’re not! End of story!

      • Tom W.

        I stand corrected Jim. Good lookin’ out Bro!!!

    • Joseph

      A key American Christian fundamentalist ideologue is the Texas-based televangelist John Hagee. He is no insignificant crank, although his views are, to put it mildly, wildly outlandish. He is said to be close to
      top leaders of the American Republic Party as well as Israeli intelligence officers and politicians. He is the pastor of The Cornerstone Church based in San Antonio, and also heads the multi-million dollar Global Evangelism media company that broadcasts his daily programmes on 172 television and 82 radio stations throughout the USA and around the world. His fervent appeals to Christian simplicity obviously are not intended to apply to himself: he is said to be one of the wealthiest men in his city, and the trust that he has named after himself, The John Hagee Rabbi Trust, includes among its various assets a ranch
      spread over almost 8000 acres.

      Hagee is one of the principal ideologues of what is called Christian Zionism, which is said to be the fastest growing religious cult in America today. Hagee is known for his fervent support for Israel, for he
      considers this a Biblical duty binding on Christians, and has been opposed to any peace deal that might
      cause Israel to give up back any occupied land to the Palestinians.He works closely with several American
      and Israeli Jewish groups, and is one of the architects of a Christian evangelical-Zionist alliance. Recently he was in the news for bringing together 400 Christian evangelical leaders, representing as many as 30 million Christians, for a ‘Summit on Israel’, which resulted in the formation of a new pro-Israeli lobbying group called Christians United for Israel, which intends to establish a 50-state rapid-response network that aims to reach every senator and congressman in America.

      As Hagee and his ilk see it, Iran’s opposition to America and Israel has nothing whatsoever to do with
      American aggression and imperialism or to Zionist occupation and Israeli crimes against humanity.
      Rather, this opposition is attributed squarely to the fact that most Iranians are Muslims. It is, Hagee
      claims, Islam as a religion that is the cause of the supposed hatred of Muslims (includingIranians)towards America and Israel. Here, he conveniently ignores the fact that most ruling regimes in Muslim countries, some of which, such as Saudi Arabia, spare no effort to display their supposedly ‘Islamic credentials’, are decidedly pro-American and are little more than appendages of the West. Obviously, conceding this inconvenient fact would seriously undermine his argument.

      http://www.countercurrents.org/sikand110608.htm

  • chef

    NC , Dr. Ron Paul, like you served his country , he had a wife and 2 kids and served , I respect him and you for that sir. I reckon the fact that he is the only candidate that has served his country counts. I know that he has empathy for our troops , the dedicated professionals that protect our Republic and our Constitution and would not be reckless when making decisions about taking our sons and daughters into combat, I cannot say that about all the neocon war mongering chicken hawks who profit from war. War does not make us safe it weakens us , the young generations understand this fact and that is why so many of our young voters support Dr. Paul and agree with his ideas……

    • NC

      Chef, I appreciate your help!My concern is whether the military folks who favor Dr. Paul , but not finding his name on the ballot,would not vote or cross over to the President who is less ‘war-like’ than the other candidates?

      • JeffH

        NC says “…the President who is less ‘war-like’ than the other candidates?”

        Less war like? Get real and I guess you can provide the “facts” on that too??? Obama is a warmonger! Libya, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, the Congo, the Central African Republic, the South Sudan and Uganda…

        The Turn from Militarism in the Periphery to Global Military Confrontation…

        November 2011 is a moment of great historical import. Obama declared two major policy positions, both having tremendous strategic consequences affecting competing world powers.

        Obama pronounced a policy of military encirclement of China based on stationing a maritime, aerial armada facing the Chinese coast. A policy designed to weaken and disrupt China’s access to raw materials and commercial and financial ties in Asia. Obama’s declaration that Asia is the priority region for US military expansion, base building and economic alliances was directed against China, challenging Beijing in its own backyard. Obama’s iron fist policy statement, addressed to the Australian Parliament, was crystal clear in defining US imperial goals.

        “Our enduring interests in the region [Asia Pacific] demands our enduring presence in this region … The United States is a Pacific power and we are here to stay … As we end today’s wars [the defeats and retreats from Iraq and Afghanistan]… I have directed my national security team to make our presence and missions in the Asia Pacific a top priority … As a result reduction in US defense spending will not … come at the expense of the Asia Pacific” (CNN.com, Nov. 16, 2011).

        Obama’s Escalation of Confrontation with Russia
        The Obama regime has launched a major frontal military thrust on Russia’s borders. The US has moved forward missile sites and Air Force bases in Poland, Rumania, Turkey, Spain, Czech Republic and Bulgaria: Patriot PAC-3 anti-aircraft missile complexes in Poland; advanced radar AN/TPY-2 in Turkey; several missile (SM-3 IA) loaded warships in Spain are among the prominent weapons encircling Russia, most only minutes away from it strategic heartland. Secondly, the Obama regime has mounted an all-out effort to secure and expand US military bases in Central Asia among former Soviet republics. Thirdly, Washington via NATO has launched major economic and military operations against Russia’s major trading partners in North Africa and the Middle East. The NATO war against Libya which ousted the Gadhafi regime has paralyzed or nullified multi-billion dollar Russian oil and gas investments, arms sales and substituted a NATO puppet for a friendly regime.

        • NC

          Due to rockets, OURS AND THEIRS, the earth is a very small globe time wise whether we are part of GLOBIAL CONSPIRACY OR NOT!It’s really just a big game of BATTLESHIP only the ships are really countries! It’s not can we hit you it’s where do we want to hit you! bush, as dumb as he was, taught the world a lesson in warfare! If you are going to spend the children’s inheritance on technology don’t let the other side lure you into a door to door war that neutralizes your techno -advantage or send them into a country that has more caves than you have missiles and a terrain that eats boots. SEE HISTORY!! The USSR with a large army and a common border couldn’t do it and neither could bush!

          Do you think we would have troops in iraq and/or Afghanistan if they had not been there when Obama took office? All I hear is how soft he is on terrorism and won’t defend us from our enemies. You don’t have to be war-like to be ready for war! Remember JFK???

          • JeffH

            NC, your original comment was absurd to begin with and poorly thought out.

      • Jay

        NC, how can you make such a statement: “to the President who is less ‘war-like’ than the other candidates?”
        Come on NC, you can’t be serious? As Jeff stated:Libya, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, the Congo, the Central African Republic, the South Sudan and Uganda…How can you dismiss that?

        • NC

          We need to stop the dying when there is nothing out there to die for!Mothers don’t like useless wars!Soldiers don’t like useless wars! Why do soldiers send their money to Paul! Because of his stance on wheat subsidies? I don’t think so! I think it’s because he says he won’t go to war over a picture of two fertilizer trucks and a piece of pipe! Neither will Obama!

          • JeffH

            NC, You are a complete idiot! NUFF SAID!

          • JeffH

            NC, you have a lot of nerve…this past weekend you got all whining about presenting “facts” yet your facts are only opinions and bald assertions without any cited links to back you up.

            A little FYI for your Obama is less war like…sending our military across Pakistan’s border without permission from either our country or the Pakistani government and militarily engaging and killing a target(Bin Laden) which constitutes and act of war against Pakistan.
            Despite the death of Osama bin Laden, drone attacks continue to pound North Waziristan.

            Are these action by Obama as “less war-like” to you?

    • Sandy Kramer, Ph.D.

      Ron Paul served his country as a flight surgeon. Hardly the risk taking of a Top Gun. (Unless you count getting nicked by a scalpel.)

  • Cisco

    I would love for the US to pull back and not worry about what goes on in the world unless we are directly attacked. But I submit if we do that then it will be inevitable that we will be attacked. If we are not front and center in the influence of world politics and what goes on, our enemies will decide for us. I just think people are naive or anti-American if they think things will go our way if we do not make sure they go our way.

    • George E

      I agree. Reminds me of how people in this country wanted to isolate themselves from the problems in Europe during the Great Depression. That didn’t turn out too well either. Not exercising power early on to control two-bit dictators often leads to out-of-control situations. I’m afraid we’re destined to repeat history if we aren’t careful.

    • Jim C.

      If Thomas Jefferson were living today he would reject Ron Paul’s ideas about national defense and foreign policy. How do I know? Because Jefferson rejected them when he was actually alive, and President! (The potential dangers from foreign enemies today are much more numerous and immediate than they were in Jefferson’s time, which means that Paul’s ideas are much more foolish and wrongheaded in today’s world than they would have been in Jefferson’s time.)

  • KK

    Great essay and very refreshing to find a candidate who speaks the truth. Anyone who doesn’t believe Ron Paul about U.S. foreign policy, should read the words of Congressional Medal of Honor winner, Marine Corps Major General, S. Butler: “War is a Racket”.
    Ron Paul is also seems to be right on his analysis of illegal immigration and the Patriot Act.
    If only he, or other candidates, would commit the government to providing at least basic needs of food, shelter and minimum healthcare to all citizens, I would vote for him. I don’t think that it is too much to ask a civilized nation to not allow any of its legal citizens to starve to death or die due to lack of healthcare.

    • Jim C.

      KK, you say you like Paul’s ideas on immigration. Do you think the U.S. should abolish the Border Patrol and leave its borders open for anyone to come and go as they please? That was in the platform of the Libertarian Party for the 2000 Presidential election, when, I think, Paul was a member of that party (I know he became a Libertarian Party member after rejecting Reagan and the Republicans, though I’m not sure of the exact time frame).

      • KK

        Because I am still looking for a candidate to support, I have only recently come across Ron Paul — and am surprised by how much I am agreement with him. I used wikipedia to try to check on his beliefs about immigration. I agree with everything stated there, my only misgiving is there is no statement about legal immigration. But no candidate is going to oppose legal immigration because that would be political suicide today. Let me know if I am missing something.

        • Jim C.

          KK: How could there be legal immigration if there were no controls on our border? Anyone wishing to come across the border could do so with no restraint. In effect, everyone would be “legal”, since nothing would be declared “illegal”, if borders could be crossed legally. I suppose there could still be citizens and non-citizens, but with government policies providing ever more rights and privileges for non-citizens, there would be little difference between the two (and it’s anyone’s guess how American society would change under those circumstances).

          • cawmun cents

            Which of the 10,000,000 or so(that seems like a small estimate),illegals who have entered and live here currently,has been restrained?
            It is a rhetorical question,by the way.-CC.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    Can Dr. Ron Paul win the 2012 election? Could the Constitution win …
    http://betsydewey.com/can-dr-ron-paul-win-the-2012-election-could-the-constitution-win/ – Cached
    5 days ago … Anyone who thinks that Dr. Ron Paul is anything other than an intelligent, kind, loving, level-headed, hardworking badass has been misled by …

  • Henry Ledbetter

    TOM W. is right on target and all would do well to listen.to GOD’S WORD.

    • Tom W.

      Thank you Henry, but to God be the glory! Isn’t His Word amazing?!! We’re watching prophecy being fulfilled right before our very eyes, and most people can’t even see it. How accurately God’s Word spoke of both us and them. “For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.” I Cor. 1:18
      We all have to pray for them Henry, that they will open their eyes while salvation is still at hand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Michael Hardesty

    Henry L, there is no ‘God’ and Israel is a fascist, racist state and they need to pay the quarter trillion in stolen tax money and the five TRILLION their Iraq wars have caused us since 1991.

    • George E

      Please explain. I’m having trouble following your logic.

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      Michael Hardesty

      Israeli Rule over Palestinians is Fascist
      http://chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/israel88.html – Cached
      Oct 17, 2000 … Professor Edward Aronow’s letter of April 21 on Israeli treatment of … Fascist racism is built into the very existence of the Israeli state. It is in the …

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Michael Hardesty

        ISRAEL: Middle East Truth Watch
        http://www.rondavid.net/Israel.htm – Cached
        human life –black, white, arab, jew, american, non-american– is equally valuable . … They do it because Zionist Jews stole their country, their land, their homes, …

        • Jay

          In total agreement, coal miner. And this, coming from an American Christian. It took some time and research to finally see, and admit, that the State of Israel was illegally and forcefully created, and that, at the great cost of her decimated, neighbours. Of course, i’m labeled anti-semitic. Here’s an article you might find interesting: semitic.http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Jay,

            Thank you,Jay we do agree on some things.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Jay,

            Khazar
            http://www.users.cloud9.net/~recross/israel-watch/Khazars/Khazar-list.html -
            As a matter of fact, the Ashkenazi Jews have no historic link to Palestine. They descend from the Khazars, a Tatar people of Turkish origin who converted to … By refuting the Jews’ divine and historic rights to Palestine, Zionism’s claim becomes …

          • Tom W.

            You’ve been breathing too much coal dust miner! What’s your excuse Jay?!

          • Jay

            Did you read the information coal posted, Tom? I suspect not. Hence, your personal attack, which is for the purpose to conceal your ignorance regarding the subject discussed. Read, agree or refute, if you can, otherwise, spare yourself embarrassment, and zip it!

  • jopa

    That first paragraph quoting Bush was just another lie and it was being told to school children.The reason we were under attack by all those Saudi Arabians was because of our occupation of their country.Our country having bases in Saudi Arabia was being stated over and over by Bin Laden as the reason for the attacks.If he was smart he should have gone after the ones that let our troops in and perhaps he would still be breathing today.Don’t mess with Obama or he will getcha.

    • George E

      Jopa,

      I believe Saudi Arabia invited our troops into their country to help protect them from Saddam Hussein’s aggression. Now they want our support in protecting them from Iran. It just so happened that we felt the need to take action to constrain Iraq at the same time and for similar reasons, so having a land base in the region worked well for us. Therefore, I believe it is incorrect to say the US occupied Saudi Arabia.

  • Raggs

    The “ONE” attacking Americas freedom and its liberty is oblama.. So this ( BLEEP ) appointed yet another communist pig scum sucker to control the economy and everyones personal liberty and our freedom… This ( BLEEP ) believes that he is a “KING” and he also thinks that he is well above the law… Yeah he is a king alright but not the one you think that he is….

  • David Warheit

    Fine. Now, where is your column ripping George W. Bush from stem to stern and calling for his criminal prosecution? Read Vincent Bugliosi’s book, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder.

    • JeffH

      David, last time I checked Bush isn’t the POTUS escalating wars around the world, Obama is! You can go after Bush all you ant but it doesn’t change a thing regarding Obama’s warmongering.

  • DaveH

    Ron Paul’s predictions in 2002:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

    • DaveH

      It’s all about the Leaders taking our money and our Freedom. It’s time to wake up people.

  • James

    The United States is subduing the Middle East for the sake of Israel. But, our presidents must get Americans in the mood for this without actually saying that. Hence, the Iraqi WMD scare. When President Bush finally admitted that there was no evidence to support that, why didn’t he apologize to Iraq, insist on paying for the damage we did, and bring our troops home? Instead he complained about the terrible government Iraq had and kept right on destroying it. Americans accepted that as a valid reason and more and more signed up to fight.

    • Jay

      I wish that were true James. But i honestly don’t think that the reason we are subduing the middle east is to protect Israel. I think the reason is clearly spelled out here. http://www.hermes-press.com/impintro1.htm

    • Karolyn

      I just had to share this email about Rick Santorum’s new bill to take government weather forecasting out of competition with AccuWeather, who donated to him:

      It’s getting really hard to be topical. In the issue of New Yorker magazine dated January 9, 2012 – that’s today — the lead article is about the rise of Newt Gingrich.

      Newt who? Newt Gingrich? Is he the guy who thought that if he stuck four fingers between the buttons in his shirt, he actually became Napoleon?

      (By the way, America, Newt Gingrich is very disappointed in you. I just thought you should know that.)

      But this note is not about Newt Gingrich; it’s about Rick Santorum. Who remains topical until 8 p.m. tomorrow, when the polls close in New Hampshire. Because New Hampshire Republicans are finding it difficult to square a Santorum state ban on contraception with the motto “Live Free or Die.”

      But this note is not about contraception; it’s about weather forecasts. Which are always topical.

      Rick Santorum tried to ban weather forecasts. Actually, not all weather forecasts. Just government weather forecasts.

      I realize that you could possibly be a little skeptical about that, so here is the bill, at the official Senate website. Sections 2(b) and 2(d) of the National Weather Services [sic] Duties Act of 2005, S. 786, 109th Cong., 1st Sess.

      http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:s786:

      By the way, Santorum introduced this bill a few months after four different hurricanes hit Central Florida, where I live. In one of those hurricanes, a big chunk of my roof collapsed, right into the living room. So weather forecasts are sort of important in my community. A matter of life and death, you might say.

      Now you must be thinking, “Wow, that guy Santorum is a REAL conservative.” Santorum recognizes that government weather forecasts are meteorological socialism; they are a serious infringement on your constitutional right not to know whether it will rain tomorrow. Santorum sees that weather forecasts are a government takeover of the skies. In fact, Santorum is such an astute and profound conservative thinker that he probably realizes that traffic lights are a government takeover of the roads.

      But this note is not about traffic lights. It’s about Rick Santorum and government weather forecasts. And why Rick Santorum tried to ban them.

      Here’s why. It’s because AccuWeather is a commercial weather forecasting company, and AccuWeather employees gave Santorum more than $5,000 in campaign contributions. Then he introduced the bill. Which subsequently and consequently led to Santorum being named as one of Congress’s “most corrupt politicians.” Which is saying a lot.

      I can picture the conversation:

      AccuWeather lobbyist: “Here is $5000 in bundled contributions from AccuWeather. Now introduce a bill to ban government weather forecasts.”

      Santorum: “OK. Sure. Why not? Whatever. I love this cheesecake.”

      And that is what I’ve seen over and over again. This thing called “conservative ideology” has degenerated to the point where it exists simply to spew out rationalizations for something else entirely: whatever the corporate lobbyists want.

      A topic that will remain topical, I’m sure, well after the polls close in New Hampshire tomorrow night.

      • Karolyn

        Sorry, this was supposed to go down at the bottom.

  • 45caliber

    The problem is that too many Americans want to be liked. They go overseas and they expect the people there to love us. And they expect the people there to listen to every word they utter as if it was the word of God and then obey whatever they say. Sad.

    • Jay

      45, i think most people abroad like Americans, but hate our war-moungering, administration.

  • Carole Roush

    Ron Paul is not a good candidate for president for he will continue to distroy the country as mr obama has. Take me off of your list as you are part of the problem.

  • Jim C.

    If I’m not mistaken (and I don’t think I am) France assisted the American Revolution, as a “foreign” ally (“entangling alliances”?). Also, I believe, George Washington’s top adviser during the Revolutionary War, upon whom Washington depended for the training of the Revolution army, was a Prussian military commander who had trained the legendary Prussian army which was greatly renowned throughout the world. Even before the U.S. existed as a nation, its future leaders readily embraced foreign allies in the Revolutionary cause. The idea that we can close ourselves off from “foreign entanglements” today is preposterous beyond words.

    • DaveH

      What is “preposterous” is to think our Country’s Leaders can continue to spend hundreds of billions of dollars each year meddling in other countries’ business and making an increasing number of enemies, all without ever suffering repercussions from our folly.
      Every Great Empire has gone the same way. Those who can’t learn from History are doomed to repeat it.

  • RANGER HALL

    TO; Brian,old Henry,Eddie47d,Geno and some others.
    Geno. CIA did not have Osama Bin Laden for an Asset,They did not form Al Qaeda. Bin Laden took some weapons from the cia,BUT bin Laden promised nothing in return. Al qaeda was formed to help train and equip.arabs to help overthrow there OWN Goverments. Mainly SAUDI ARABIA. They were not trained to kill aMERICANS. Why were they allowed to Train in Afganistan, Simple no other Arab Country would allow them because of US and our pull over there Leaders. Afganistan said Yes, Because these people threw out the Russians…

    All the People running for President are Or will be under the Power of the POWERS, They can an will only DO as the POWERS Tells them.
    The President has NO real Powers that can be used againest the Powers To Be. UNLESS He has the Power of the PEOPLE. What happens when A President has the Power of People behind Him. JUST ask the KENNEDYS and The KING. The Power of the People IS the only thing The POWERS are afraid of.

    PEROT was forced out of the running because he wanted to make this Country free from the crooked Politicians. He wanted to change the way Politicians do Business.He had a chance of WINNING. Would you put your Familys Safety over being President.???

    Some People should study History More,They would have a better understanding of the People of the world and why they dislike us and our ways.

    People have to respect other peoples ways and faith. JUST as we protect ours.
    How many Religons can you name that have approached you with their beliefs, How many can you name that goes around the World pushing their Faith.

    WE have been trying to CONTROL the ARAB Countries for a very long time,In doing so we protect any Leader that sides with us, Does not matter how he runs his country or how many crimes he commits againest his People AS long as he Gets MONEY and PROTECTION from US.
    Most Arab people think that they should run their own Countries without our Control. Bin Laden was 100% Arab, As was Saddam Hussain. BUT Bin Laden was the #1 Arab Hero. And still is to the Arab World.

    WE started the Big BULLY on the Block when we distributed the countries around the world after ww2. Then we made Russia our threat, We then became a threat to Russia AND the cold war started. The only way be beat Russia was to Spend them to Death.

    AMERICA is FREE because of its People. The Day we loss our FREEDOM will be when we no longer have the will to fight, OR the weapons to fight with. ITS not our Military that keeps us FREE. ITS THE PEOPLE.

    Out of 400 posts 350 deal with the President and what he is going to do for our country, Or how Bad he is. Well and Good, But get to the heart of the Powers. Get rid of the Congress and the Senate, Replace them with HONEST Americans that care about our country and its people, And can also care about the People of the World. IF YOU COULD FIND ONE>

  • Jack

    Hmmmmm… They hate us because we love freedom? That’s the most ludicrous statement in the world today. Why are they flocking here if they hate freedom? What you need is a better perspective. Go to 7-11 or Circle K and ask any of them if they came here because they hate freedom. I just can’t read such nonsense because you obviously are a staunch Democrat and would rather see the US become a socialist nation sharing laws and rules set by other nations. You probably support the Amero Currency initiatives and the opening of all borders between Mexico and Canada. You obviously don’t love America and it’s Constitution. Either that or you just haven’t read the Constitution. The authors even wrote the Federalist papers to ensure that the meaning behind the Constitution would never be lost. But, then again, they also told us to educate the people so that they would be aware when our liberties would be challenged. But you like this propagandist government that has twisted and turned the Constitution into a cheap rag. You probably even fly the Mexican flag in the country you pretend to love. How about you pick up a rifle and stand to post in Afganistan or Iraq. How about you go police the world and trample their beliefs and governments. I’m tired of bureaucrats who have determined the path of the people. The way I learned it in school is “A government by the people, for the people.” But you want a big government to determine the path of the people and you don’t know what the people even need. Get out of politics and go live in China. You’re better suited there.

  • 4204life

    Great article!
    RonPaul2012

  • Buck

    RON PAUL is right about a lot of things foreign and domestic , but the demonrats , repukingtons and most of all the progressives will do everything in their power to destroy him in his presidential bid . His winning the presidency is a million times more important to America and Americans in the future than it is to he himself . We always have GOD in heaven , but he helps those who help themselves , and we can do no more to help ourselves than to elect RON PAUL . He is the last best hope we have on planet earth . Elect RON PAUL , tell everyone you know to elect RON PAUL . Add RON PAUL to every comment , add him to letters to the editor , make RON PAUL a word everyone hears every day .

  • Ann Wilson Kingsley

    Below is documented support for Ron Paul’s foreign policy and military strategy. Prepare to be shocked!

    Regarding Ron Paul’s Foreign Policy:
    The Israeli Mossad says Iran does not pose a threat to Israel.
    http://in.news.yahoo.com/iran-no-threat-israel-mossad-chief-205136026.html
    A former head of the Mossad warned that Iran should not be attacked because it will set off a regional religious war.
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/former-mossad-chief-israeli-strike-on-iran-will-lead-to-regional-war-1.398537
    Lt. Colonel Shaffer says Ron Paul’s Iran Policy Most Accurate
    http://by170w.bay170.mail.live.com/#n=1259539391&fid=1&fav=1&mid=33ec855b-373d-11e1-a74e-00215ad80c26&fv=
    Israel has 100s of different kinds of nukes. Ron Paul is trying to keep American tax payers from having to spend more money on wars when we are not being attacked.

    Ron Paul is for a strong military:
    Ron Paul receives more political donations from military personnel than all other candidates combined. “The libertarian congressman boasts more donations from military members than any other 2012 presidential candidate. The claim was determined “true” by Politifact, after the fact-checking group looked at Federal Election Commission filings.” Santorum has a grand total of $750 from all branches of the military combined! $750!!! Gingrich has an “impressive” $4,900! Romney has a whopping $13,300! Ron Paul has $95,567! I wonder who’s foreign policy the military agrees with! We actually know what’s going on over seas, and many of us support Paul! If you want to stop the endless nation building wars, support who the troops support!
    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/05/santorum-compares-holding-elective-office-to-military-service/#ixzz1ikf5SrQK
    The military supports Ron Paul because he wants to end obsolete bases and military hardware, and he is for advanced technological weaponry research. Ethical American soldiers do not want to fight wars against countries that have not attacked the United States. Ethical people do not attack others without extreme provocation.
    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/04/ron-paul-gingrich-chickened-out-when-called-for-military-service/#ixzz1idb5QBm1

    • mike1127

      Bravo! Well said, and thank you.

  • Matt

    Anyone criticizing Islam or the Koran should take a look at the Bible.

    There’s just as much hatred, violence and judgement contained in the Bible as there is in the Koran. I’m SURE there are many Christians who would declare the Bible law if they could.

    The current condition in Iran should be proof that a theocracy is a bad idea… Yet the people who so ignorantly criticize Islam are probably the same people who would vote for someone to replace the Constitution with the Bible if they had the chance.

    Here’s an idea…. How about we actually follow Christ’s word and LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS?

  • Jim C.

    It’s interesting that the term “neo-con” is thrown around with such abandon by people like Livingston, who apparently don’t even know what the catch-phrase means. “Neo-con” is a short version of “neo-conservative”. It came into existence sometime around the late 1950′s or early 1960′s, I think. It refers to certain writers, scholars, and other intellectuals who had been “liberals”, but changed their thinking to become “conservative”. Hence the term “neo-conservative”, or “new’ conservative. It happened that these “neo-conservatives” were mostly Jewish. It’s odd that Livingston calls Romney a “neo-con”, since Romney is Mormon, not Jewish, and, to my knowledge, Romney has never converted from “liberal” to “conservative”. Whatever he is, he’s been pretty much consistent, though somewhat hard to pin down. By using meaningless (and vaguely demeaning) cliches like “neo-con”, Livingston, and others, only muddy the waters of political dialogue, apparently in hopes of advancing their political causes.

    • College Boy

      You’re the one who has the intellectual inability to understand that the word “neo-con” still means “new-conservative”, regardless of what they were prior to becoming a neo-con. Being one describes what they are, not what they were. So your point is mute.

      • Sandy Kramer, Ph.D.

        Hate to shoot you down, but the word is spelled “moot”. Not “mute.”

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Jim C.,

      I understand very well what the phrase means. While you are correct that the term first appeared in the 60s, it is still being used today to describe the wing of the Republican Party that pushes a globalist agenda of nation-building, interventionism and preventive war (deposing regimes that pose a perceived threat). Neocons include American pseudo-conservative Jews, but is not limited to them (ie. GWB, Newt, Santorum, Romney, Bachmann, Rush Limbaugh, etc. are also neocons).

      You write: “. It’s odd that Livingston calls Romney a “neo-con”, since Romney is Mormon, not Jewish, and, to my knowledge, Romney has never converted from “liberal” to “conservative”. In that you are correct. Romney remains a liberal, though he is trying to cast himself as a conservative, hence is a neocon.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • http://none Linda Patterson

    Good information Thank You

  • ireAmerica

    Many of us understand the (moderately complicated) key to the Middle-east, but do not speak of it out of political correctness or fear of reprisal;

    In every major spiritual tradition but one, God offers a correct path to the free will of each person. The remaining one, only spiritual to the uninformed, is Islam. Islam was invented as a tool of empire, and enforces submission. The first member of Islam was inducted through spiritually corrupt marriage to a child-relative and participation in serial murder.

    Moslems have been teaching each other hatred of all Infidels since before they provoked the Crusades, and ever since – in addition to constant and often fatal abuse of their own women and children. And commonly employ devastating violence against true innocents around the world. This is not religion.

    Islam has sought global domination since long before America existed, killing thousands of Jews, Christians, Hindus, Bhuddists and others of various faiths. This radical theocratic despotism has been executed for centuries, in the name of “holy” empire.

    Israel survived those fourteen hundred years, following earlier centuries of theocratic despotism. Israel can take care of Israel just fine, with skills and tools developed over time. Nuclear Islam is an existential threat… that Israel has prepared for (as John Bolton, Hillary Clinton and Michelle Bachmann know).

    Remember, America faced thirty-thousand Soviet nuclear ICBMs, peacefully during the cold war.

    The “sympathy for Israel” argument lacks reasonable integration of fact, it’s emotional and dangerous. Radical-fundamentalist Moslems are HERE with their “moderate” apologists, promoters in our government and training camps in this hemisphere. We are being drawn away by deception while our forces should be coalesced here, now. Our borders must be dramatically hardened. We must also deal with invasion and with treason in our government.

    Sovereign Israel is not being abandoned, and will request our help if and when needed.

    Ron Paul is correct in his foreign policy. War – no matter what it is called, or who needs our help – MUST be declared in Congress. Our interventions around the world now are immoral, provocative, hideously expensive and undermine our national security. He is also correct about ending the (illegal) drug wars, which have empowered warlord gangs including the Taliban.

    Newt Gingritch is spot-on regarding judicial branch review – Shariah must be terminated, along with all other extra-Constitutional adjudication. Both of these Americans advocate foreign-aid curtailment, which would partially defund our (and Israel’s) adversaries.

    The rest is up to you and me. We must protect America from Islam, right here. Repudiate the tennets of Islam, reject their incompatible “faith” and “culture”, rescue their women and children. Scrutinize this dangerous cult without compassion. Stay vigilant, informed and armed.

    Demand and enforce Constitutional government.

  • Pat G.

    Reading all of the comments relating to religion brings to my mind a major question: Will the human race ever be truly civilized as long as religion survives? I doubt it. When the late Christopher Hitchins subtitled one of his last books “How Religion Poisons Everything” he definitely hit the proverbial nail on the head. By the way, I’m a gun-carrying conservative.

    • Seek Wisdom

      Religious folk are deceived by their attempts to earn their way into heaven. Jesus makes clear salvation is given by faith ‘sola’. After the faithful of Jesus are caught up with him in the clouds and faith is gone,the earth will be anything but peaceful.

      • Seek Wisdom

        …or civilized.

    • mike1127

      Agreed. Religion is holding us back as a species. It is the single most destructive force on the planet, yet people cling to it out of fear. It is so sad to see someone make themselves miserable in this life, (the only one we get), to have a better afterlife. We should be working together while we are alive, instead of fighting over whose Bronze Age myth is the best.

  • Tom W.

    Romney is a heretic Bob, Mormonism is a cult!!! The unsaved Jews are still in need of salvation, but are still the apple of God’s eye and He’s going to deal with them during the Tribulation. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said he wants to rid the world of the Jews and I take him at his word. He is a Sunni and thus a twelver. He believes that he has been choosen to cleanse the world of the Jews making way for the coming of the Mahdi (The Twelth Imam). Do the research!
    Muslim children are taught in the madrasses in this country (The Land of the Free and Home of the Brave) that the Holocaust never even happened! The nation of Israel don’t exist on their maps and they are filled with the hatred of us and the Jews as soon as they are able to comprehend!!! IN THIS COUNTRY!!!

    (excessive post removed – please post a link instead)

    • Tom W.

      Don’t you mean censored Bob?!!
      “A free press can of course be good or bad,but, most certainly, without freedom it wiil never be anything but bad.” – Albert Camus

    • mike1127

      ALL religions are cults. None of them leave room for the truth, because they have already given it to you via the bible, torah, koran or whatever.

      Why do people let Bronze Age myths rule their lives? Faith without reason leads to suicide bombings. Do not think that martyrdom is for muslims only. I can see a christian or jew doing it just as easily as the muslims do.

      Religion breeds ignorance, fear, and hate.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        mike1127

        Right on.Religion is ignorance,better yet it’s modern day insanity.

    • Tom W.

      Correction, and I appologize Bob. I was really tired and slightly disoriented! -
      http.11www.oranjemundonline.com/Forum/ind

      • Tom W.

        Still disoriented! Duh…
        http.//www.oranjemundonline.com/Forum/ind

  • Jerry
  • Tom W.

    Here’s another one for ya Bob. I just wish there was a way to show the pictures that go along with it.
    Is your lamp trimmed and burning?!! (Matt. 25:1-13) Because if you’re not looking up, (Luke 21:28) you surely to God must be blind!!! (II Cor. 4:3&4) Don’t get counted amongst the goats!!! (Matt. 25:31-46}
    Did anyone catch Tebow’s numbers from last night?!! (John 3:16)

    • Tom W.

      DETROIT
      By Frosty Wooldridge
      (Frosty Wooldridge(born 1947) is a US journalist, writer, environmentalist, traveler)

      For 15 years, from the mid 1970′s to 1990, I worked in Detroit , Michigan . I watched it descend into an abyss of crime, debauchery, gun play, drugs, school truancy, car-jacking, gangs, and human depravity. I watched entire city blocks burned out. I watched graffiti explode on buildings, cars, trucks, buses and school yards. Trash everywhere! Detroiters walked through it, tossed more into it, and ignored it. Tens of thousands, and then hundreds of thousands today exist on federal welfare, free housing, and food stamps!
      With aid to Dependent Children, minority women birthed eight to 10, and in one case, one woman birthed 24 children as reported by the Detroit Free Press, all on American taxpayer dollars. A new child meant a new car payment, new TV, and whatever mom wanted. I saw Lyndon Baines Johnson’s ‘Great Society’ flourish in Detroit . If you give money for doing nothing, you will get more hands out taking money for doing nothing. Mayor Coleman Young, perhaps the most corrupt mayor in America outside of Richard Daley in Chicago , rode Detroit down to its knees… He set the benchmark for cronyism, incompetence, and arrogance. As a black man, he said, “I am the MFIC.” The IC meant “in charge”. You can figure out the rest — Detroit became a majority black city with 67 percent African-Americans.
      As a United Van Lines truck driver for my summer job from teaching math and science, I loaded hundreds of American families into my van for a new life in another city or state. Detroit plummeted from 1.8 million citizens to 912,000 today. At the same time, legal and illegal immigrants converged on the city, so much so, that Muslims number over 300,000. Mexicans number 400,000 throughout Michigan , but most work in Detroit . As the whites moved out, the Muslims moved in. As the crimes became more violent, the whites fled. Finally, unlawful Mexicans moved in at a torrid pace. Detroit suffers so much shoplifting that grocery stores no longer operate in many inner city locations. You could cut the racial tension in the air with a knife! Detroit may be one of our best examples of multiculturalism: pure dislike, and total separation from America . Today, you hear Muslim calls to worship over the city like a new American Baghdad with hundreds of Islamic mosques in Michigan , paid for by Saudi Arabia oil money. High school flunk out rates reached 76 percent last June, according to NBC’s Brian Williams. Classrooms resemble more foreign countries than America . English? Few speak it! The city features a 50 percent illiteracy rate and growing. Unemployment hit 28.9 percent in 2009 as the auto industry vacated the city. In Time Magazine’s October 4, 2009 issue, “The Tragedy of Detroit: How a great city fell, and how it can rise again,” I choked on the writer’s description of what happened. “If Detroit had been ravaged by a hurricane, and submerged by a ravenous flood, we’d know a lot more about it,” said Daniel Okrent. “If drought and carelessness had spread brush fires across the city, we’d see it on the evening news every night.” Earthquake, tornadoes, you name it, if natural disaster had devastated the city that was once the living proof of American prosperity, the rest of the country might take notice. But Detroit , once our fourth largest city, now 11th and slipping rapidly, has had no such luck. Its disaster has long been a slow unwinding that seemed to remove it from the rest of the country. Even the death rattle that in the past year emanated from its signature industry brought more attention to the auto executives than to the people of the city, who had for so long been victimized by their dreadful decision making.”
      As Coleman Young’s corruption brought the city to its knees, no amount of federal dollars could save the incredible payoffs, kickbacks and illegality permeating his administration. I witnessed the city’s death from the seat of my 18-wheeler tractor trailer because I moved people out of every sector of decaying Detroit ..
      “By any quantifiable standard, the city is on life support. Detroit ‘s treasury is $300 million short of the funds needed to provide the barest municipal services,” Okrent said. “The school system, which six years ago was compelled by the teachers’ union to reject a philanthropist’s offer of $200 million to build 15 small, independent charter high schools, is in receivership. The murder rate is soaring, and 7 out of 10 remain unsolved. Three years after Katrina devastated New Orleans , unemployment in that city hit a peak of 11%. In Detroit today, the unemployment rate is 28.9%. That’s worth spelling out: twenty-eight point nine percent. At the end of Okrent’s report, and he will write a dozen more about Detroit, he said, “That’s because the story of Detroit is not simply one of a great city’s collapse, it’s also about the erosion of the industries that helped build the country we know today. The ultimate fate of Detroit will reveal much about the character of America in the 21st century. If what was once the most prosperous manufacturing city in the nation has been brought to its knees, what does that say about our recent past? And if it can’t find a way to get up, what does that say about America ‘s future?” As you read in my book review of Chris Steiner’s book,”$20 Per Gallon”, the auto industry won’t come back. Immigration will keep pouring more and more uneducated third world immigrants from the Middle East into Detroit , thus creating a beachhead for Islamic hegemony in America . If 50 percent illiteracy continues, we will see more homegrown terrorists spawned out of the Muslim ghettos of Detroit . Illiteracy plus Islam equals walking human bombs. You have already seen it in Madrid, Spain , London, England , and Paris with train bombings, subway bombings and riots. As their numbers grow, so will their power to enact their barbaric Sharia Law that negates republican forms of government, first amendment rights, and subjugates women to the lowest rungs on the human ladder. We will see more honor killings by upset husbands, fathers and brothers that demand subjugation by their daughters, sisters and wives. Muslims prefer beheadings of women to scare the hell out of any other members of their sect from straying. Multiculturalism: what a perfect method to kill our language, culture, country and way of life.
      I PRAY EVERYONE THAT READS THIS REALIZES THAT IF WE DON’T STAND UP, AND SCREAM AT WASHINGTON AND OUR STATE, CITY AND LOCAL LEADERS THIS IS WHAT AWAITS THE REST OF AMERICA . IF YOU THINK THE MEXICANS AND MUSLIMS AND OTHER FOREIGNERS WILL EVENTUALLY FIT RIGHT IN, THEN YOU ARE AS BIG A PART OF THE PROBLEM AS THEY ARE. IF YOU THINK THIS IS JUST A BUNCH OF HOOEY AND YOU FEEL NO DUTY TO FIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY, THEN I’M SORRY. I DON’T KNOW WHAT IT WILL TAKE FOR YOU TO STAND AND FIGHT.

      “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” — Benjamin Franklin

      • mike1127

        Well said, and thank you for your story. Most Americans take our religious freedoms for granted, and don’t realize the threat posed by islam. This is unfortunate, as we will indeed pay for allowing islam to flourish. The problem is though, that we do have freedom of religion. So, until a muslim actually commits a bombing, we must sit back and wait for it to happen. Religion is something that humanity desperately needs to outgrow. It is currently the biggest cause of war and murder on the planet. I cannot believe how much stock people put in Bronze Age myths, but we are still fighting over them today. It is truly sad. For us to advance as a species, islam must go.

      • cawmun cents

        In case you failed to notate this fact,Progressive Democrats have run the city of Detroit for fifty+ years…..
        Hmmmm.
        -CC.

  • Seek Wisdom

    “Sadly, not more than three in 10 people seem to understand this.”
    Understanding ‘this’ and agreeing with ‘this’ are 2 different issues.

  • mike1127

    To all of you people on here defending muslims: They blatantly discriminate against us kuffar every day, and get away with it. They DEMAND religious freedom in America, yet christians are not allowed to build ONE church in Saudi Arabia. The muslims have cities (Mecca and Medina) where nobody that is not a muslim can enter. We should be treating muslims as they treat us, not turning the other cheek. Islam is a political party more than a religion, and a cancer upon the earth.

    Ron Paul has NEVER said that he would let Iran or anybody get away with harming an American citizen or soldier. He has said (countless times) that if he were to declare a war against someone (such as Iran)that he would do it lawfully, with Congress’ approval. If we were attacked by anybody, Ron Paul would react in a manner determined by the Constitution. He would not be like Obama/Bush and just ignore Congress. What is so hard to understand about this? According to our Constitution, only the Congress has the power to declare war.

    Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate running that cares at all about the American people. He is the only candidate running that voted against S.1867. That alone should be enough to grant him victory this November. The rest of our candidates supported that bill, and should be tried for treason.

    Do you Paul-haters really want a government babysitter? Do you really want a government that can throw you in prison on suspicion, with no evidence or trial? If you do, then vote for anyone but Ron Paul, because that’s what you will get; another talking head owned by Big Business and the NWO.

    • BrotherPatriot

      By far one of the best posts I have EVER read & your calling it as it is.

      God Bless ya, Mike1127

  • Mark Are

    What is it about Ron Paul that inspires such extremes? Such maddening support on the one hand, and such fear and loathing on the other? I can give the answer in one word: Soul.

    The essential soul of a human being is by definition free. The idea that men are free as determined by God is a concept that is foreign to most men. This is because most men want to control others, to take away their freedom. This is usually referred to as the drive for power. The drive for power is antithetical to freedom because power means the ability to control others. There is only one legitimate thing that power can and should be used for, whether it be military, legislative, or executive power. That is, to legalize freedom.

    Ron Paul doesn’t want to be President to “give” me freedom. He doesn’t own my freedom and he didn’t give it to me. The only reason Ron Paul wants to be President is to stop punishing people for using their freedom that is rightfully theirs. He wants no power. This is clear to anyone who listens to him speak.

    There are two kinds of human beings. Those who want power, and those who want freedom. You can tell which one’s which very easily. Those who want freedom are straight-edged. They are consistent, principled, and you can feel their human soul when they speak to you. There’s a continuum out there of human souls somewhere in spiritual cyberspace, and when you come into contact with one of these souls, you know immediately, because souls are by definition free. You sense sincerity, realness, consistency, a free human being. If you’re a man who seeks freedom and you come into contact with a real human soul, you become instantly addicted and you swallow up anything you can get your hands on. You want to unite immediately, no matter what you disagree on. There are people in the freedom movement that don’t exactly like Israel, especially me being a “settler” and I don’t care. If they want freedom, I sense it and my human drive for individualism suddenly turns into an intense desire to unite into a collective – but a collective of free individuals. It’s a beautiful dialectic, and it doesn’t matter what we agree or disagree on, as long as we agree on freedom.

    You get hooked on Ron Paul and you desperately seek more and more, any video you can find from the past, any speeches you missed, anything he said that you haven’t heard yet, even though you’ve heard it a thousand times already in different words. You can’t help yourself. The voracious hunger to be able to use your God-given freedom takes you over entirely. It’s like you suddenly realize you’re human and the Divine Image with which God created you comes alive and catches fire.

    But something else happens to you. Once you get hooked on Ron Paul, you can no longer bear to listen to a man who wants power, and you become instantly disgusted when they start saying words. Before, they were just boring. Now they’re revolting. Listening to Romney or Gingrich or Bush or Obama makes you sick and you don’t know how Ron Paul gets through those debates without getting nauseous. You see a political veneer in these politicians that’s so transparent it’s like a ghost flapping its ethereal tongue at you. You can’t bear it.

    What’s so maddening about hearing Romney or Gingrich talk is that there’s someone standing there saying things, but there’s no soul in it. These are not free men. These are power men. Not that Romney or Gingrich don’t have souls. They do. They are men just like you and I. But they have practically forfeited their souls to try and attain power, to control others with spin and talking points and contradictory statements like “I want to cut the budget and expand the military!” and they’ll say it with a polished tone and a straight face, just like a soulless recording. Their humanity is so buried under the mountain of lies they have told themselves, that neither they themselves nor you can even sense their souls in the human continuum. The scene of a human body speaking but no soul communicating can drive a free man mad.

    The reason that Ron Paul never goes down in the polls is that he’s not “convincing” people in the everyday sense that he’s right on whatever issue. He’s activating human souls, lighting spiritual fires one by one speaking about freedom. Once a soul gets activated, and the man realizes that he IS free no matter what people do to him or tell him, there is no turning back. The other candidates are trying to turn heads with snappy one-liners that sound cool. Slaves follow these one-liners like mobs, and follow each other from candidate to candidate. Slowly but surely, Ron Paul activates a few of the individual souls in the mob as they bob from snappy comeback to snappy comeback and he goes up in the polls.

    Yet, we cannot expect every man woman and child to understand or get excited about the message of liberty. In fact, most just can’t handle it. Being truly free is as terrifying as it is electrifying.

    Not everyone can handle the message of freedom. It’s too frightening for some people, and some are just too enslaved. Those are the people that despise Ron Paul, the same types who rebelled against Moses in the desert and attempted to go back to Egypt. Freedom is too much for them and they can’t handle the Divine gift. They want and need someone to control them. Their souls have been too battered by slavery, taxation, and wars. —Rafi

    • Mark

      Amen Brother!! Keep on speaking it!! The sad part is; the number of people that willingly choose slavery…As Ben Franlin said: “Those that would give up some liberty for security, deserve neither”.

      Mark

    • http://none Mark Humberger

      Mr. Mark Are: you are so right on!! Ron Paul is the real deal. The first time I heard him speak,I was hooked. I had never really heard of him until the fall of 2011. What he said hit home to me and it came from a meek and soulful Christian politician. This is not an oxymoron in this case. He is meek in the biblical sense only. I am a Ron Paul advocate now and forever. Thank you sir for your wonderful letter. God bless.

      • ek

        Will Ron Paul get us our sovereign privacy back? Give people the right to work their lives out personally without spy manipulators watching AND commenting on their every move? Get spy ware out of our media boxes and cars?

        DOMESTIC SPYING HAS GONE TOO FAR!!!

    • James Gathings

      Very interesting

    • Joseph

      no too many people can leave free even in the great usa

    • http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

      Beautiful analysis. These are indeed people with a veneer of deceit, something like a shiny hubcap with dirt underneath. One can neither demand nor purchase peace and contentment, it comes with understanding the difference between what one does and what one should do, a little like recognizing that the hubcap is there just to hide the dirt. Some folks actually wash the hubcap inside as well.

    • ek

      We are so far from freedom, we can start remembering the “good old days” when we had sovereignty in our own homes, freedom to think – feel – believe without character assasinators on the ready. The G already uses humiliation squads, acting squads, hypothetical lessons acted out in public, and gag orders to get people “in line”. We are transparent to them, not the other way around. They have the budget, man power, technology and lack of morals/ethics to have their way.

      If you can’t prove it, they’ll do it. TO YOU!

      You will not be able to pick your nose in the privacy of your own home without them sending the video to ALL your family, friends, colleagues, church members, and those who you profess to look up to. YES IT IS THAT BAD!

    • Alex Frazier

      Bro, if you read my mind and publish my private thoughts about Ron Paul again, I’ll beat your collectively free butt!

      j/k

      Great post. Couldn’t have said it better myself. It was a 100% reflection of precisely what I think myself. Once someone is for Paul, seeing anyone else as a viable candidate is like having the perfect woman and throwing her away for some mediocre-looking alcoholic you met at the bar.

    • http://personallibertydigest Joel

      Romney will go to the end and turn left and no one else in this field will matter. “Absolute power corrupts absolutely” no matter who has it. We haven’t had a leader that actually cares about this “country first” for more than 100+ years. It seems like real patriots don’t run for office and I don’t know why, wish I did.
      They talk about being afraid of freedom, it’s true, it’s a sad condition. Black people are afraid to say they are American Black, they have this condition fed to them by the likes of Jackson,Sharpton,Wright and the like. They suck money and the truth away from the black community and keep them in a lower class, hence you have generations on welfare,(Detroit),in stead of self respecting and hard working and happy and free. Black leaders, not all, keep real freedom from them as they line their own pockets.
      As far as Ron Paul goes you have to ask your self, would I be any worse off than I am today? Actually NO, and he leans toward where I want to go, Freedom.

    • William Hubbell

      Mark you are right on. Too many people have been trained to look to their government nanny to ever accept the concept of FREEDOM.

    • Jeff

      Thank you for your Jan 9 insight on Ron Paul. I have been stating the same thing from the moment I attended a live speech in 1982 by Dr Paul. The math is on our side! Once a soul is introduced to freedom that person cannot be stepped backward into slavery. This is a key part of the largest upward consciousness shift in human history. It is real and it is now. I see no other possibility than winning. I am Jeff.

    • PLM

      As an honorable man, Ron Paul is the only person in the government who has told the truth as he understands it. He has continuously fought the constant expansion and intrusion of the federal government. He has fought the Federal Reserve at every step. Any American citizen who believes in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the rule of law has no other choice but to support him.

    • OLD STAR PACKER

      Rabbits want freedom. Wolves want Power.
      Wolf eats Rabbit.
      You figure out the rest.
      With Ron Paul as POTUS we will be inviting invasion and suppression of our rights.

      • Forrest Gump

        I think your metaphor is skewed. Ron Paul is not a Rabbit. Rabbits stay in their holes until it looks safe. They run TO their holes the moment a wolf is even hinted at. Ron Paul is out in the open trying for all the exposure he can get because what he has to say is true and it is the only viable solution our country has left.
        I think your allusion to Ron Paul being a rabbit is because of your misunderstanding of meekness. He is meek, I’ll give you that much, but Jesus was meek as well. What does meek mean to you? the definition of meekness, in as few words as possible, is “controlled strength”.
        This man has a strength none of the other candidates nor the current deceiver in chief have. He has the strength of educated moral conviction. He knows beyond a shadow of doubt that what he stands for is correct and morally superior to the causes and ideals of the others. He may not win the Republican candidacy for president and I seriously doubt he will run as an independent because he probably won’t want to divide the opposition to the current regime, but I believe that if he does win the candidacy he will continue to gather steam until he blows right through the polls and projections and storms the Wight House like a freight train. Anyone that hears him speak can see that he’s not in this thing for himself. Heck, I have heard him say that he really doesn’t even WANT to be the president. Quite frankly, that’s the kind of man we need to BE our president. One that will not abuse the power we entrust him with. One who will not manipulate in order to do things that are against what our country was founded on.
        Do yourself a favor and go to youtube and watch videos of him speaking about issues. Keep an open mind and try to see the sense in what he is saying. We have a mess in our country that thinking like a wolf is not going to fix. I hope you and others that think like you can come to see reason. Otherwise we have no chance against the current regime.

    • http://google Mary Buerkley

      You are an ‘idealist’, and that just won’t work in the ‘real’ world……..but i can see why the young people are for ron paul…….because most of them are ‘idealists’. but it won’t work in what we are now facing in the ‘real’ world……with other countries escalating their nuclear power, for one thing. and the UN trying to gain inroads into countries’ governments, for example; our soveignty. and remember ‘freedom’ is not ‘free’, so how does ron paul propose to ‘keep’ freedom? by becoming an isolationist? if that’s the path he’s touting, then yes, the military will have to be what will physically protect us from any outside intervention, which will surely come our way…all guns are aimed at us; Russia, China, Cuba, Iran(?) And what have we done? u say? as ron paul thinks, we have it coming to us for intervening in their business, or i should put, their way of exerting ‘power’, even on their own people!? Maybe we as a country have not done ENOUGH to keep world peace…..we’ve tried, and our influence has not been appreciated…….so then the natural route, is to hide our heads in the sand? and let the world go the way it wills? You are foolish in your thinking, and yes, ron paul is like a cult leader and old and not presidential. lol, the foreign nations will ‘walk’ all over him! he is ultimately ‘weak’. Think again, we’re trying to rid this country of what we have now, and if ron paul chooses to be a 3rd party candidate, he will single handedly, put “O” back in the white house 4 more years, and that will be the end of the US as we have all known it…….in fact I’ve heard that there may not be an election. Think again, will it be by ‘EXECUTive ORDER?

    • Daylo

      This “freedom” and “soul” is just a by-line. I don’t sense “soul” in Ron Paul. I don’t sense “freedom” in Ron Paul. I feel more afraid when I hear him say things like “Iran should be able to get the bomb because everyone else has it.” I heard that with my own two ears at one of the earlier debates. Then I heard him modify that same sentence in a later debate, to sound less stunning. But, I was stunned enough with the first time he said this.

      Ron Paul really does not care about Iran having he bomb; I wonder if he has thought out who Iran plans to use that bomb on in the future? I wonder if because he believes we should be FREE and not bother our enemies or attack anyone, he must think our enemies feel the same way. They don’t. They will NEVER think like Ron Paul. They will see a Ron Paul President as an invitation to attack. Do you think for one minute that because Ron Paul believes we should not attack anyone, that our enemies will say, “Okay. They are peace-leaving, freedom-loving peoples in America now. We should just back off.” In a perfect world, they MIGHT. But, this utopia that Paul has drawn is never going to be. It won’t work because there are people, lots of people in this world who hate us simply because we are free. They will choose to bring us under their rule, not because we attacked them, but simply because we are here. That’s hard for a Ron Paul to understand, but many of with real heart and soul and freedom in our DNA don’t see it like that. We know better.

      • Russ Nelson

        Daylo you are up in the night and you did not hear that from Ron Paul. There are to many like you that fill in what he says just so that you can vilify him. Sham e on you. For another thing if it had been said it would have spread like wild fire through the media. Remember Do not invent with your mouth what you have not heard with your ears.

    • DM

      Nice oration Mr. Mark Are. You sound like Obama working from a teleprompter. Dr. Ron Paul is a great guy but there are too many people in this country that are afraid of many of his ideas. This makes him unelectable. You MUST have enough votes to elect a person and Dr. Ron Paul cannot get the votes necessary from the general public to be elected. Above all else we MUST put forth an electable candidate and a candidate that CAN beat Obama.

      • Russ Nelson

        DM You make an okay parrot. But my parrot in a cage much better. You use the same words the RNC wants you to say and think and to think you call Ron Paul supporters bots. Read up on the pure reason you have the freedom to vote. It is such a sad day when American voting public are so easily duped into believing rubbish put forth by the media. I feel strongly that the majority of Ron Paul supporters have done their own homework and have come to an intelligent decision. For the rest I do not believe you spend any time researching the issues and the candidates and their stand on the issues and their stand a year ago and their stand 5 years ago. You do not take the time to see where all their campaign contributions come from and who is behind the super pacs. Again I say you are just parrots repeating what you have heard.

    • Bob

      Conservatives say they want to limit the size of government. Yet many are for expanding the military. What is the military? It’s a government organization. Look around the world at the countries run by their militaries. Want to end up like that? So the Dems want to expand social programs and government in general and the Publicans want to expand the military. It’s all government. Like they say one wants to take you to hell fast and the other one slowly. But either way your destination is the same. It’s no secret that government has expanded through the years with these 2 parties in control.

    • Kenneth G. Shaw

      Hear, Hear,- Preaching to the Choir!!!!!! Short & Sweet!!!!!! Kenneth G. Shaw, LaGrange, Ky. 40031.

    • Mary Carter

      I agree about Ron Paul, but you have to look at his foreign policy. He thinks everyone Love freedom as much as he does, but overseas all they want is money,power,and war. They have been fighting wars as long as you can even remember. Paul was born 50 years to late. I wish we could elect him,but we need an SB—- in office to fight the greedy bunch.and get America back to our Great Country.

    • Art LeBeau

      I completely agree with your article on Ron Paul. I pray the Lord opens the eyes of Americans to see who is truly for a our “freedoms” and the words of our beloved Constitution Art LeBeau Villa Ridge,MO

    • https://www.facebook.com/JeffCoTeaParty MOdawg

      Re: Mark Are/Rafi: Good thoughts there, many want freedom but are unwilling or unable to do what it takes to secure and maintain it. As James Bryce said: “So, one may almost say that the theory of universal suffrage assumes that the Average Citizen is an active, instructed, intelligent ruler of his country. The facts contradict this assumption.” I agree with much that Paul espouses and recognize the danger of having our forces spread all over the world a la Rome, et al, to maintain “empire”; but to go to the other extreme of isolationism is also dangerous and naive. There are real enemies of freedom all over the world and we must be prepared to defend ourselves against them, take this from a retired military man who has been all over the world and seen how great we have it here; we owe it to those who desire our style of freedom to defend and encourage it, and we owe it to our posterity to defend it against those who fear and hate it and will do anything to destroy it, including using falsehoods and propaganda to turn us all against each other. There is also another historical reason to consider thoughtful and clearly defined intervention: where would we be if the French hadn’t intervened on our behalf against the British? Do a little historical research, not just ideological ranting.

    • Daren

      Your articles are becoming way to off base and ridiculous for me. It’s also obvious your bias towards certain candidates is just as ridiculous. For instance, I know Mitt Romney personally and worked with him during the Olympics. He is nothing like what he is being portrayed by the majority of the articles on this website. He is a caring person who has the highest of values. Those values and work ethic, is what has made him rich both financially and spiritually. To compare him to Gingrich, is again, ridiculous!

    • Texas

      What a wonderful commentary on Ron Paul. I have been a supporter of his ever since I can remember. I only wish more Americans would wake up and see that his is the message of what America was supposed to be. God help us all!

    • http://yahoo ronald hutchinson

      will ron paul commemd his son s his vp since he’s artfully ingenuous?

    • vieteravet

      Yeah, keep your Ron Paul, his foriegn policy is terrible for the US. Just let Iran have a nuke, they’re not a threat, Right!

    • Lawrence Ekdahl

      There is only one source of freedom. It does not matter what other men do. “If the Son shall make you free you shall be free indeed.
      FREEDOM IS A GIFT FROM GOD!

    • Vincent

      Mark Are:

      What you wrote is sooo true! Beautifully written!

      It is an absolute shame that so few can see, yet they have eyes, and so few can hear, and yet they have ears.

      It seems like no matter how many people I try to “WAKE UP” to the facts they just can’t seem to comprehend what is REALLY going on around them and staring them in the face.

      To me it is amazing that Ron Paul can continue after facing so much criticism and despondency by the networks, and by so-many so-called American citizens that really only vote by “who looks right for the part”, that personally it shows the true meaning of “losing one’s lunch”.

      Because, really that’s all it is: Vomit!

      The same repetitive regurgitated commentary espoused by the same media the first time Ron Paul ran for the Presidency.

      The majority of the so-called Americans don’t even have a clue to what each presidential candidate stands for – even though they are the very ones that have or are going through foreclosures, losing their jobs, paying so much more for everything due to inflation caused by theft at a grand scale.

      One would think that they would surely make certain to find out “WHO” the Best Candidate is by actually studying what the candidates supposedly stand for.

      Granted, there are some seriously extreme liars such as Bush Jr. and whatnot, but even so . . . the writing is on the wall.

      1+1=2 2+2=4 I just don’t see how the populace is not “GETTING IT”!!!

    • Carolyn Borden

      You can keep your posts. I know longer want to hear from you. I am completely offended by what you’ve written. If you think Ron Paul should be the next president of this country then you must be as crazy as he is. Don’t send me any more of your emails. Thanks!

    • John McSpadden

      Is Mr Ron Paul a Republican if he is he has not read the Republican Platform. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing I believe he is following the Libertain Platform.HUMMMMMMMM ?

    • Connie

      I agree with all you said about Ron Paul. He is truely a strict constitutionalist. The problem happens when you put his beleifs and our countries security up against rogue countries that care little about freedom in their country let alone ours. We can monitor ourselves but have little control outside our borders. How would he react to an attack or fellow Americans taken hostage in foreign country..to Mexico over running our country or any refugees crossing our borders. The live and let live mentality only applies if everyone is on the same page. We do not own the book.

    • Rick

      “Here – Here”!!!

    • Jack Hotchkiss

      As Thomas Jefferson said,
      “When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.”

      Hear ye, Hear ye, Hear ye.
      To use the quote “ Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their Country”, State, City and neighborhood should be added. In order to form a more perfect Union we must band together to hold our beloved Constitution safe from all enemies foreign and domestic.
      Will you help, will you stand and will you share?
      The fight will be huge. The cost will be great. The rewards will be freedom.
      We need a State-by-State league joined at the hips to protect the US Constitution. I propose this be the start of The Arizona League.
      I’m open for input and or information.

      Respond, as you will.
      fedupinarizona @gmail.com
      Jack Hotchkiss
      Kingman, Arizona

    • ONTIME

      Now all you have to do is convince the cult islamics to just leave us alone and we will just get out of their lives so we all can live in peace forever…I just know you will deny this.

      I have watched one on one interviews with RP and what he says on the lectern is not always what comes from his mouth when being interviewed, he too is inconsistent and this has a decided impact on my thinking…is his 74 year old mind still intact?

    • Sunny

      I can listen to Ron Paul over and over again, but there is something about him that just creeps me out. He verges on madness. I understand freedom and I don’t drink anybody’s cool aid. There are many of his ideas that I line up with but not when it comes to foreign policies.

    • George B.

      Very good points to ponder. The Republicans and Wall Street will never nominate him. He could never acomplish the things he talks about, it is pie in the sky. Wall Street and Big Business run the world until the 99% revolt.

    • http://Wisesooth.PatriotActionNetwork.com Wisesooth

      I have a modest proposal. Do not plant a patriot in the wrong job. Consider the mischief Ron Paul would cause as Secretary of Treasury under a fiscal conservative POTUS.

      I disagree with Ron Paul’s mindset as Chief wrecking crew for everything “government.” Our US Constitution says, “Provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare.” “Provide” looks like a mandate. “Promote” looks like a sales project.

      I hear a lot of things he wants to destroy. I do not hear much about what he is going to do about fulfilling the explicit Constitutional mandates of the office of POTUS. For example, national defense was a lot easier in the days of muskets and black-powder cannon. Now, fewer bad guys can wreak havoc on a global scale with weapons of mass descruction. Isolationist foreign policy is not an option anymore. His plans for the US Military needs serious moderation or he will place our nation at the mercy of our enemies. Some of them want to kill us simply because we exist. If we roll over and bare our tummy, we will get disemboweled.

    • Russ Nelson

      Mark if you are going to plagiarize, at least give credit to who you stole the words from and print the whole letter. Here is the full version not by Mark but rather Rafi Farber. I hope this is not Mark C or someone from AC
      From Israel: Vote Ron Paul and Let My People Go!
      by Rafi Farber
      Lately I’ve been having trouble sleeping. I sit here in my living room in
      Karnei Shomron, Israel, on the 8th night of Chanukah, wondering what other
      miracles lay in store on January 3rd and in the months ahead. The name Ron
      Paul is constantly at my fingertips. I’ve typed it in so many times the
      past month it’s insane. I’m experiencing an excitement I’ve rarely ever
      felt, and I don’t even live in America anymore. During the last Republican
      debate I woke myself up at 3am Israel time to watch an 8pm EST live stream on
      YouTube, with no fatigue whatsoever. I’m on overdrive, and I can’t calm
      myself.
      I’ve only recently figured out what this excitement actually is.
      I first got interested in the whole freedom movement when I heard that Ron
      Paul wanted to end all foreign aid, including to my country, Israel. This
      seemed like a spectacular idea to me. I hate the idea of taking American tax
      payer money I don’t need. The only reason we take it, by the way, is not
      because we need it. It’s that we don’t want to feel alone, and Jews
      always feel a deep existential isolation and loneliness. “As I see them
      from the mountain tops, gaze on them from the heights, this is a people that
      dwells alone, not counted among the Nations,” says Balaam of the People of
      Israel in Numbers 23:9. We still feel that loneliness. So we take the money.
      It’s shameful, it’s theft, it’s destructive, it’s morally wrong, and
      it makes people hate us for tying them into a conflict they have no business
      trying to solve. I wanted it to end and didn’t trust any Israeli leader to
      give it up on his own, so I looked up more about Ron Paul.
      What I found was fascinating. On the forums, I learned of people who, back in
      ’08, literally gave their lives short of death to this man. Some poured
      money into his campaign they could not afford to give, and some even lost
      their marriages because of their single-minded insane dedication. This
      shocked me. I couldn’t yet understand it, but after a few days of listening
      to him, it began to click.
      What is it about Ron Paul that inspires such extremes? Such maddening support
      on the one hand, and such fear and loathing on the other? I can give the
      answer in one word: Soul.
      The essential soul of a human being is by definition free. The idea that men
      are free as determined by God is a concept that is foreign to most men. This
      is because most men want to control others, to take away their freedom. This
      is usually referred to as the drive for power. The drive for power is
      antithetical to freedom because power means the ability to control others.
      There is only one legitimate thing that power can and should be used for,
      whether it be military, legislative, or executive power. That is, to legalize
      freedom.
      Ron Paul doesn’t want to be President to “give” me freedom. He
      doesn’t own my freedom and he didn’t give it to me. The only reason Ron
      Paul wants to be President is to stop punishing people for using their
      freedom that is rightfully theirs. He wants no power. This is clear to anyone
      who listens to him speak.
      There are two kinds of human beings. Those who want power, and those who want
      freedom. You can tell which one’s which very easily. Those who want freedom
      are straight-edged. They are consistent, principled, and you can feel their
      human soul when they speak to you. There’s a continuum out there of human
      souls somewhere in spiritual cyberspace, and when you come into contact with one of these souls, you know immediately, because souls are by definition free. You sense sincerity, realness, consistency, a free human being. If you’re a man who seeks freedom and you come into contact with a real human soul, you become instantly addicted and you swallow up anything you can get your hands on. You want to unite immediately, no matter what you disagree on.
      There are people in the freedom movement that don’t exactly like Israel,
      especially me being a “settler” and I don’t care. If they want freedom,
      I sense it and my human drive for individualism suddenly turns into an
      intense desire to unite into a collective – but a collective of free
      individuals. It’s a beautiful dialectic, and it doesn’t matter what we
      agree or disagree on, as long as we agree on freedom.

      You get hooked on Ron Paul and you desperately seek more and more, any video
      you can find from the past, any speeches you missed, anything he said that
      you haven’t heard yet, even though you’ve heard it a thousand times
      already in different words. You can’t help yourself. The voracious hunger
      to be able to use your God-given freedom takes you over entirely. It’s like
      you suddenly realize you’re human and the Divine Image with which God
      created you comes alive and catches fire.
      But something else happens to you. Once you get hooked on Ron Paul, you can no longer bear to listen to a man who wants power, and you become instantly disgusted when they start saying words. Before, they were just boring. Now they’re revolting. Listening to Romney or Gingrich or Bush or Obama makes you sick and you don’t know how Ron Paul gets through those debates without getting nauseous. You see a political veneer in these politicians that’s so transparent it’s like a ghost flapping its ethereal tongue at you. You can’t bear it.
      What’s so maddening about hearing Romney or Gingrich talk is that there’s
      someone standing there saying things, but there’s no soul in it. These are
      not free men. These are power men. Not that Romney or Gingrich don’t have
      souls. They do. They are men just like you and I. But they have practically
      forfeited their souls to try and attain power, to control others with spin
      and talking points and contradictory statements like “I want to cut the
      budget and expand the military!” and they’ll say it with a polished tone
      and a straight face, just like a soulless recording. Their humanity is so
      buried under the mountain of lies they have told themselves, that neither
      they themselves nor you can even sense their souls in the human continuum.
      The scene of a human body speaking but no soul communicating can drive a free man mad.
      The reason that Ron Paul never goes down in the polls is that he’s not
      “convincing” people in the everyday sense that he’s right on whatever
      issue. He’s activating human souls, lighting spiritual fires one by one
      speaking about freedom. Once a soul gets activated, and the man realizes that he IS free no matter what people do to him or tell him, there is no turning
      back. The other candidates are trying to turn heads with snappy one-liners
      that sound cool. Slaves follow these one-liners like mobs, and follow each
      other from candidate to candidate. Slowly but surely, Ron Paul activates a
      few of the individual souls in the mob as they bob from snappy comeback to
      snappy comeback and he goes up in the polls.
      Yet, we cannot expect every man woman and child to understand or get excited about the message of liberty. In fact, most just can’t handle it. Being
      truly free is as terrifying as it is electrifying. The Bible tells us this
      very clearly in the story of the Exodus from Egypt. When Moses finally
      accepts the role of deliverer from God, he was assigned to say the following
      to my great-grandparents the Israelites:
      “Therefore say to the Israelites: I am God. I will free you from the labors
      of the Egyptians and deliver you from their bondage. I will redeem you with
      an outstretched arm and with amazing signs. And I will take you to be My
      people and I will be your God, and you will know that I am the Lord who freed
      you from the labors of the Egyptians.” (Ex. 6:6-7)
      And what was my grandparents’ response?
      “And Moses told this to the people, but they didn’t listen due to lack of
      spirit and cruel bondage.” (6:9)
      Not everyone can handle the message of freedom. It’s too frightening for
      some people, and some are just too enslaved. Those are the people that
      despise Ron Paul, the same types who rebelled against Moses in the desert and attempted to go back to Egypt. Freedom is too much for them and they can’t handle the Divine gift. They want and need someone to control them. Their souls have been too battered by slavery, taxation, and wars.
      But nonetheless, God forced my stiff-necked great grandparents to leave
      Egypt, and as a result I’m here today, preaching freedom once again,
      fighting not only for America’s freedom, but for my own from America’s
      influence in my own region.
      Vote Ron Paul and let my people go once again! Stop meddling here and stop
      trying to buy influence by giving me money. Stop trying to be the all
      powerful Peace Maker and let us work out the problems here on our own! If we think Iran is a threat, we can handle it and we’ll take the consequences.
      It’s not America’s problem and you can’t afford another war.
      Now I understand why people will give everything to this man. Whenever he’s asked the question, “Would you legalize heroin?” Ron Paul answers, “I
      want to legalize freedom!” Little do these people understand that freedom
      is a thousand times more addictive than heroin.
      American Jews! Wake up! Set your brothers in Israel free! We were the first
      nation ever to be set free by God, and we brought the concept of liberty to
      the world when we left Egypt over 3000 years ago. It’s about time we set
      the example we were chosen to set.

      December 31, 2011

    • John Thomas

      Mark:

      AWESOME!!! Your article is a breath of fresh air for a world submerged in stupidity, insanity, and non-survival thoughts, words, and actions. Keept the faith, choose freedom, and God bless!

    • William Rogers

      Obviously Ron Paul is too old & frail, too isolationist, too doveish and represents a strict libertarian philosophy which does not compute in todays violent complex world. Most of the other candidates are very supportive of our constitution, liberty ,freedom and the judeo-christian values that serve as the foundation of our great nation. I am quite discouraed that you strongly endorse such an unelectable candidate and wish you would stop such endorsement. Please remove me from your Email list. Thank you and God Bless you.

    • beacon

      RON PAULS, PRINCIPLES, will win.

      Because you know the truth.

      RON PAUL, 2012

    • Artimus35

      Ron Paul is, and always has been absolutly correct in his analysis of where our nation is heading. He’s one of the few members of congress who really understands our constitution, and I have no doubt he would attempt to hold true to its principals if elected president. However, I believe Newt Gingrich has the best knowledge of American History, along the courage, conviction, and stamina to stop the disasterous path we’re on towards becoming a European type of Socialist Democracy. He has shown the courage needed to chalenge those who are working to convert our government over to a system that we have already seen doesn’t work, e.g. Look at the mess Europe is in. Do we really want to go down that path?

    • http://MSN Jim

      Ron Paul does show he is not interested in power to be in his control, he wants to give it back to We The People like or forefathers intended for it to be.

      It is obvious that Ron Paul is not taking money from lobbyists or special interests either for himself or for his election campaign.

      These are the things that people want and the corruption of both parties are so transparent it is laughable. Ron Paul is exposing the other politicians for what they really are, greedy self seving egomaniacs and that is scaring the “In’s” so much they are trying to sequester or silence Paul with claims of him being insane, aloof and not knowing about international affairs.

      This man that is president now is definitely the most corrupt politician we have ever had in the White House and all of the back stabbing and in fighting in the Republican primaries is going to cause 4 more years of gangster mentality and getting us closer to becoming a socialist form of government if it doesn’t stop. The RNC is going to have to stop the greed within the party and back Ron Paul as the Republican candidate for president in 2012, with all the dirt coming out on Mitt Romney, Obama will have allot of ammuniction to attack Romney and the gullible and liberal votes will put him back in office.
      Elect Ron Paul to be the candidate of the people, he is our only hope to become a great Nation like we were when Ronald Reagon was president.

    • Ginger

      Well said! It is so hard for me to describe my feelings in regards to Ron Paul, it is very emotional. And yes, I can spend a whole day on the computer feeding on Ron Paul clips. I think Ron Paul poses the biggest threat to the “controllers”. What really scares me is the actual idea that the sheep out there really believe the lies they are being fed by the other candidates.

    • ed varel

      AMEN!AMEN!AMEN!AMEN!ALLELUIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Ross Kingsley

      I would agree with everything Dr. Paul says, but I cannot understand his foreign policy positions. How can we risk putting this man in charge of our country. He would be worse than Carter in my view.

    • ROGER, Canadian Libertarian

      Jews are no different than Christians, Muslims or Atheists…they have good and bad, stupid and intelligent,greedy and generous, arrogant and libertarian etcetera.

      There IS NO such thing as a “chosen people” unless you ask those same people and ALL Religions,Races,Nationalities have been VICTIMS at one time or another.No one has a a natural, given MONOPOLY on any ability over others and even if they did it does NOT give them the RIGHT to Abuse those whom they believe dont have their same ability.

      EVERYONE has the RIGHT to FREELY reach his/her FULL POTENTIAL, unhindred by others

      For those who think Jews are only victims and can do no wrong,and are “Chosen People”: check the followingf quotes”

      Israeli Quotes

      NOTE: The following quotations are being passed along to our readers. I take no responsibility for their authenticity. It is left up to the reader to accept or reject or carry out library search for finding the quote in a publication. Please do not write to me for the source.
      - Dr. Amir Ali

      ——————————————————————————–

      “I don’t know something called International Principles. I vow that I’ll burn every Palestinian child (that) will be born in this area. The Palestinian woman and child is more dangerous than the man, because the Palestinian childs existence infers that generations will go on, but the man causes limited danger. I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him. With one hit I’ve killed 750 Palestinians (in Rafah in 1956). I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian women is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they shall do. (Ariel Sharon, current Prime Minister, In an interview with General Ouze Merham, 1956)

      1. “There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies – not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy.” (Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001)

      2. “The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more…” (Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time – August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000)

      3. ” [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs.” (Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the Beasts”. New Statesman, 25 June 1982)

      4. “The Palestinians would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.” (Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988)

      5. “When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” (Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983)

      6. “How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to.” (Golda Meir, March 8, 1969)

      7. “There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed.” (Golda Meir Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969)

      8. “The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war.” (Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha’aretz, 19 March 1972)

      9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” (Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121)

      9a. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : “We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return.” Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. “The old will die and the young will forget.”
      10. “We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” (Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983)

      11. “Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.” (Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio)

      12. “We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel… Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours.” (Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces – Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983)

      13. “We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return” (David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar’s Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157)

      15. “We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.” (David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978)

      16. “We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” (Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum”)

      17. “Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.” (Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969)
      18. “We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?’ Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ‘Drive them out!’” (Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979)

      19. Rabin’s description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. “We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters” (Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion’s special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From “The Arabs in Israel” by Sabri Jiryas)

      20. “There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [I] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:… the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish… with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary.” (Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency’s Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5)

      21. “Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours… Everything we don’t grab will go to them.” (Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998)

      22. “It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.” (Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972)

      23. “Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment… Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.” (Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine, Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry)

      Do these quotes sound like a “Superior” people who have only been victims???

      Life has taught me truly Rational,Intelligent,Confident, Loving people dont talk like those quotes!!!

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    • Myra Credeur

      The only thing going for us Israel. If we turn our backs on them as Paul says he would,this nation will be completely done for. We need to beg God for forgiveness for turning from Him.

    • Kris Dalton

      Mark, that was as beautifully said as I’ve heard and the most accurate articulation of how so many of us feel. Thank you

    • kris Dalton

      Mark that was beautifully said and the most accurate articulation of what so many of us feel. Thank You

    • scott

      Hey, Are you excluding us athiests for Ron Paul? I am for him because, I believe in dinosuars, oil, fossils, petrified wood, that no man can survive in the belly of a whale for five days, and that snakes do not talk to humans. I believe religion is used by the same elites that want our freedom destroyed. Do not forget us other humans. And Satan didnt inspired me to send this. To believe in Satan, I’d have to believe in god. My moral compass is fine too. I only want two things on my tombstone, I never asked nobody for nuthin, and I called it as I saw it. Thanks for including us nontheists. We are people too.

    • Steve

      Tell Mitt that in regards to Newt we do not need another Silver Tongue Politician in Office we have one now and look where we are.Yes Newt is a good man and has good intentions but he is a Politician first and foremost and can appeal to the audience he is addressing. He has the ability to side step the issue and make you feel like you are wrong to be concerned about who he is and is character. Its like a man walking into the bedroom and finding Newt with his wife and Newt turns and chides him for not having the decency to knock first and respect the privacy of others. Rick is a very good man but he is like a nippy dog that is always biting your ankles and really does not have the grit to stand up against Obama. He cannot answer a question directly without involving any issue he feels will cast a shadow on his opponents. He too is a Politician! Bless them all but if you were to look into the heart and soul of each the light that shines from Mitt is obvious. Tell him to say he loves these two guys even though he knows they feel they are the better choice and knows they have to attack him to create doubt amongst the voters but the fact remains that he is what is needed to bring us back to a position of strength economically and militarily to restore us to the shining light on the hill.

      He should say on stage that these are two fine people and he respects them but if we want to win and remove Obama we need to realize that what they fear most is Mitt by saying he is the weakest. You have to look deeper than the rhetoric and the attacks that are used to jockey for position and see the real character and strength of the individual. Strong steel has been tested and Mitt is now being tested by his opponents and he has been tested in the economy as a business man and in a democratic state as its governor. He has to convey that he has learned and sees what needs to be accomplished and he has the conviction and tools to to see it through. Be passionate and the message will come through!

    • Marvin

      I don’t understand why Dr Paul is under %50 . I love his message of freedom. It is refreshing to hear a candidate say something different from the croud. I am very disapointed in Obama. We need change in drug laws, war,tax law, and there is little hope.

  • Dennis

    The mindset of doing what one will without repurcussions or paying for it permeates this country.People do not want to answer for their own actions and it is causing this country to implode.What we have going on today is our own fault.We need to step up and take responsibility for our actions and words and make real change.

  • Tom W.

    Good night everybody, I’ve got to get up at 1:30 to go to work. I’ve already stayed up way past my bed time. I’m not complaining though, it’s been fun and I think we need more back and forth like this. Freedom of Speech is what made us the greatest nation that has ever been. Don’t ever let anyone take it from us. Whether I agree with you or not, I would fight for your right to state your opinion.
    That said you’re all in my prayers and I just want to end with this. true Christianity is not a religion, it’s a relationship with the Savior of the world.
    Mah Shalomkah!

    • Laura G.

      Goodnight Tom and thank you for the insightful posts you have shared.God Bless :)

  • Bono

    It is always good to hear the truth Mr. Livingston. Ron Paul is right, we look for the boggy man behind and under the stones we choose to conceal ourselves. The truth is always so frightening. We have surrendered so many of our rights to a government that seeks to sell us a false story and save us from ourselves. Like the old proverb goes, ignorance is not a virtue. Ignorant people only tend to bolster their own needs to feel aware. Men have killed so many in the name of one religion or another and so justify injustice.

  • Chris

    Mr. Livingston,

    This is one of the few times that I agree with anything written in your newsletter; however with one small exception. I don’t think it has been over the last 50 years, but more like the last 100 years.

  • FreedomFighter

    “No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation.” -David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

    Full Artical:

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Hodges/dave117.htm

    Somebody asked me where I referenced the above quote, off the top of my head I gave the wrong sorce:

    Dave Hodges

    I try to post links, but dont always. Nobody is paying me, I post because Im a concerned, involved American watching his country be taken over by evil.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • Sandy Kramer, Ph.D.

    Sandy Kramer, Ph.D. says:
    January 10, 2012 at 12:24 am
    Mr. Livingston,
    Whereas I respect your sincerity, your logic is deficient. Because a person (Osama Bin Laden) may be believed about one matter ( e.g. acceptance of responsibility for 9/11 does not necessarily mean that person needs to be believed about causation for that action. If I were to tell you that the earth is round, you would probably believe that to be the case. However, if I subsequently told you that the earth is being carried by a giant tortoise, you would, hopefully, reject that statement. Even liars do not lie at all times. I’m sure you are familiar with the Islamic doctrine of taqiyya, but perhaps your readers lack such familiarity.

    • Tom W.

      Get him Dr. Sandy!!!

  • Camery

    That article doesn’t fit with what has been taking place and the things that Osama has supposedly said does not fit his character and he was dead shortly after 911 according to bhutto. He also said he did not take part in 911. I believe that. That article describes our government more than Osama and it should point more accurately to the writer. I was beaten up in the first grade by a known bully. His reason was that I was dangerous. I have heard and read things very similar to that incident toward Ron Paul. If Ron Paul is not our president this time around our economy will fail before the next election. He seems to be the only one who has sufficient knowledge of the economy and how it works.

  • Tom W.

    Does anybody even realize how many Christians, Jews, and other ‘infidels’ have been BRUTALLY SLAUGHTERED in the name of Allah since Muhammad had his revelation in 608 AD?!! Well time to go earn some beans, holla’ at y’all later.

    • Jay

      Do you have any idea how many muslims have been brutally slaughtered in the name of “Mammon”?

  • Jay

    Wars and aggressions kill people and do not produce peace and harmony but resentment and degeneration. History illustrates when a nation or the leaders challenge the limits of the Laws of God and approach near the end of their lifespan, insanity takes-over common sense and they tend to ignore
    warnings and reject all voices of reason.

    Most of the conscientiously responsible Western scholars and political intellectuals are getting increasingly concerned, not to identify their interests with the minority ruling elite of the United States and Britain and the prospects of the ‘war crimes’ against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Blair and their role in large scale massacres of the civilians and using uranium powered missile for destruction of human habitats in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    Professor John Esposito (Georgetown University, and author of Unholy War and What Everyone Needs to Know about Islam), makes a candid observation: “in many parts of the Muslim world the war against global terrorism has come to be viewed as a war against Islam and Muslims. The image of America has become that of a neo-imperial power that has sought to redraw the map of the Middle East and the Muslim world, influenced by an unholy alliance of neoconservatives and the militant Christian right.”

    The wars have gone terribly wrong and the end is fast approaching, sheer madness in thinking and strategic decision making to create new Mi Lia of Vietnam particularly in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Near their defeat, the Nazis resorted to mass killings across Europe, and so did the Soviet Union prior to defeat and surrender to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan. Daily massacres of the innocent civilians throughout Iraq and Afghanistan and the stage drama could rest on any given conclusive note to the pages of history.

    Katrina was the first instalment in a series of warnings to come for those leaders who could listen and learn from the history.

    Not so, to the neo-conservative dominated US administration that failed to achieve its objectives in conquering Iraq and Afghanistan, just to ensure smooth oil supplies and global military and economic supremacy.

    http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/322781055a291f9c?pli=1

    • Joyce

      If you think that oil is the only reason we are in the area, why don’t we make ourselves energy independent? Relatively simple!

      • Jay

        “If you think that oil is the only reason we are in the area…”

        What other possible reason could there be?

        “why don’t we make ourselves energy independent? Relatively simple!”

        Yes, it is relatively simple, but only in principle, Joyce. Which begs the question; Why don’t we make ourself energy independent?

        Perhaps this might provide the answer:http://www.hermes-press.com/impintro1.htm

  • Joyce

    Jay,
    Please name one country we have “conquered” and are ruling? As for Muslim and Christian attrocities, if I listen to you, it sounds like a “stand off.” Actually the Muslims attrocities came BEFORE Christians were even established.

    • Jay

      Please name one country we have “conquered” and are ruling?

      I can name several countries we have “Invaded and control!” Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Afghanistan, are just the most recent, and to be sure, more will be added. Namely, Iran, and Syria…eventually, the whole of the middle-east!

      • Joyce

        Jay, What planet do you live on? We don’t rule any of those countries — not one! We got out of Iraq and they call their own shots. The only country we’re in is Afghanistan and they can ask us to leave at any time. We freed many countries after WW II and every last one of them are free now.
        You should go a country that you can love and respect because, obviously, you don’t love this one.

        • Jay

          Well i can tell you i’m not from planet “stupid!” Btw, i heard you can only get one cable channel on that planet. Be honest, don’t you find that a tad suspicious?

      • vieteravet

        I’ll give you Iraq, but we’re out of there now! Drinking a little libtard kool-ade are ya!

  • jimmy the greek

    Bob hit the nail on the head !

  • VickiE

    I admit to not knowing a lot about foreign policy, but it occurs to me that Ron Paul and you overlook one thing. Israel is a very, very small country in the midst of many very, very large muslim countries. They are in fact, surrounded and it is undeniable that all muslims in that region want them to disappear. So, if we are to adopt a noninterventionist policy, how long do you really expect Israel to survive? Muslim can complain all they want, but to expect us to abandon Isreal so they can do as they please would be a very horrific thing to do from a supposedly peace loving country. Don’t you think that if the Muslim counties adopt a policy of noninterventionism with Israel and allow them to exist, that all of this talk would be a mute point?

    • Tom W.

      Vicki, this conflict has been going on since the tents of Abraham. And both sides are wrong in this sense, they both refuse to recognize Jesus as the Messiah. This battle is only going to esculate until one day when all we who are saved will hear the trumpet sound and will be evacuated from this world. Then this world is going to experience seven yrs. of living hell which will finally come to an end when Jesus returns to put a stop to it all before man destroys the whole world and everything in it!!!

  • Michael Hardesty

    No, Vicki, Israel has always been the one to steal Arab lands and dispossess Arabs from their homes going back to 1947-48.
    Even in the 48 war Israeli troops under the various Zionist militias outnumbered all Arab armies by three to one.
    Israel has hundreds of nukes stolen from France and the USA by Jewish traitors in those countries. Israel is the 4th strongest military power in the world and has been for two decades.
    Size has zero to do with it as witnes tiny England ruling over the half the world for a century.
    Read Israel And Palestine by Israeli historian Avi Shlaim.
    The Muslims don’t want the Jews to disappear, they want a state where all citizens have the same rights and one vote each.
    Millicent, you are a demented Communist-Zionist Agent Provocateur.
    Take your psychotic rantings and put them up your unclean southerly orifice. Your comments are per se libel.

    Bob, keep up the great work and let’s kick the Millicents out of here.

    • Tom W.

      YE VOLT HAR COMMODANT!!! Are you wearig your jack boots and leggings as you write Har Michael?! And don’t forget the riding crop and monicle. Bring it on Chump!!!

    • vieteravet

      This guy’s a card carrying member of the KKK!

  • Tom W.

    “We believe, given the changing political landscape in Egypt, that it is in the best interests of the United States to engage with all parties that are peaceful, and committed to non-violence, that intend to compete for the parliament and president.” – US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, concerning the engaging of talks with the Muslim Brotherhood as a legitimate contending party in Egyptian politics.

    “Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Quran is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.” – The motto of the Muslim Brotherhood, this is the same group who so prouldly proclaimed responsibility for the assassination of Anwar Sadat in 1981.

    “And for their saying, “Verily we have slain the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, an apostle of God.” Yet they slew him not, and they crucified him not, but they had only his likeness, and they who differed about him were in doubt concerning him: No sure knowledge had they about him, but followed only an opinion, and they did not really slay him, but God took him up to Himself. And God is mighty, wise!
    There shall not be one of the people of the Book but shall believe in Him before his death, and in the Day of Resurrection, He will be a witness against them.
    For the wickedness of certain Jews, and because they turn many from the way of God, We have forbidden them goodly viands which had been before allowed them.” – Sura 4:156-158
    Muslims claim that Christians and Jews are intolerant reguarding them. These verses from their own holy book plainly show that it is them who have been intolerant towards both religions from their very conception.

    “I do hereby, upon this Bible , and the mysterious legend of the Koran, and its dedication to the Mohammedian faith, promise and swear and vow…that I will never reveal any secret part or portion whatsoever of the ceremonies…and now upon this sacred book, by the sincerity of a Muslem’s oath I here register this irrevocable vow…in willful violation where of may I incur the fearful penalty of having my eyeballs pierced to the center with a three edged blade, my feet flayed and I be forced to walk the hot sands upon the sterile shores of the Red Sea until the flaming sun shall strike me with the livid plague, and may Allah, the god of Arab, Moslem, and Mohammedan, the god of our fathers, support the entire fulfillment of the same. Amen. Amen. Amen.” – The Shriner’s oath, to become a Shriner you must be a 32nd degree Mason and swear this oath. Just fun and games?! Yeah, right!!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!!
    Keep your eyes on the skies, Jesus is coming! I don’t believe it’s going to be the same one that’s spoken of in the Quran, He loves y’all and so do I!!!

    • Maria

      I agree with you Tom ! As a European I am very aware of the goals of Islam. Have researched into this cult for years now. Demographically speaking, once the baby-boomers have passed on we , ethnic Europeans will be in the minority. Muslims have more children and ironically more live births in the West than in their own medically/hygiene inferior countries. This is all indisputable fact.it is not a matter of opinion, FACT.Unlimited immigration by mainly Muslims has been encouraged for decades. Why? it has now been proven (admitted in GB) they have taken our jobs from underneath our noses, when the ruse was we need more workers.maybe in the 60′s, for a while but no longer ! Maybe our addiction to oil and shady deals about immigration been hatched decades ago with Saudi A. contributed ? (also proved BTW)
      Many Europeans are fed up. They are emigrating – 100′s of thousands per year, to Australasia, US, Canada and South America etc. Mostly young single academics and middle class families. No-one else can afford to. We are also planning to leave Europe when we can, but it has been made harder to do so ! This to inform you all, in case Americans are not aware what is happening here. Indeed the Americans must wake up Tom as you know, before it is too late and Sharia has taken over. Indeed, certainly no need for war then, they will have taken us over without a shot being fired.! let us hope Jesus returns VERY soon ! Blessings.

      • Maria

        And long before quotes from Bin Laden ( do we really take seriously anything he ever said ??) remember 1979. The Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran declared “Jihad” upon the West ? I listened back then with baited breath, was it, could it be true? 30 years on, I know it is, and all of you should too. They (Islam) are the revived biblical end- times empire. It is not “Rome”..we have been off-base but not so in the middle ages, back then they knew what we have been too stupid and brainwashed to realise, and most likely too late.

        • Jay

          Contrary to myth being fabricated, Islam does not pose a threat to the West. Rather, Islamic “terrorist” organizations have been created to serve Western imperialistic objectives. These groups are intertwined with Western power through a network of occult secret societies. This relationship dates back to sixth century BC, and the birth of the Kabbalah, in Babylon; a plot to seek world domination through the use of magic and deception.

          Albert Pike received a vision, which he described in a letter that he wrote to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871. This letter graphically outlined plans for three world wars that were seen as necessary to bring about the One World Order, and we can marvel at how accurately it has predicted events that have already taken place.

          Pike’s Letter to Mazzini

          It is a commonly believed fallacy that for a short time, the Pike letter to Mazzini was on display in the British Museum Library in London, and it was copied by William Guy Carr, former Intelligence Officer in the Royal Canadian Navy. The British Library has confirmed in writing to me that such a document has never been in their possession. Furthermore, in Carr’s book, Satan, Prince of this World, Carr includes the following footnote:

          “The Keeper of Manuscripts recently informed the author that this letter is NOT catalogued in the British Museum Library. It seems strange that a man of Cardinal Rodriguez’s knowledge should have said that it WAS in 1925″.

          It appears that Carr learned about this letter from Cardinal Caroy Rodriguez of Santiago, Chile, who wrote The Mystery of Freemasonry Unveiled.

          To date, no conclusive proof exists to show that this letter was ever written. Nevertheless, the letter is widely quoted and the topic of much discussion.

          Following are apparently extracts of the letter, showing how Three World Wars have been planned for many generations.

          “The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the “agentur” (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions.” 2

          Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.

          “The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm.”

          After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China.

          (Readers who argue that the terms Nazism and Zionism were not known in 1871 should remember that the Illuminati invented both these movements. In addition, Communism as an ideology, and as a coined phrase, originates in France during the Revolution. In 1785, Restif coined the phrase four years before revolution broke out. Restif and Babeuf, in turn, were influenced by Rousseau – as was the most famous conspirator of them all, Adam Weishaupt.)

          “The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.
          Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.

          Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”

          Since the terrorist attacks of Sept 11, 2001, world events, and in particular in the Middle East, show a growing unrest and instability between Modern Zionism and the Arabic World.

          This is completely in line with the call for a Third World War to be fought between the two, and their allies on both sides. This Third World War is still to come, and recent events show us that it is not far off.

          • Maria

            Hmm, you have a point, I agree, well sort of.. except that Muslims are being radicalised by the illuminati? is this what you are saying? obviously not much problem brainwashing Muslims to be extremists then? cant have anything to do with their “Holy writings” I assume? Or is this merely co-incidental, a small matter ? What about history long before the Pike vision though. The Islamic expansionist cult formed in the 7th century?
            What about the bible? Every single nation to be conquered by the Messiah are all Muslim today? or is this also merely a coincidence? Food for thought on all sides here.Does not really matter in the end who is behind it, does it, it will happen and we know satan is active. he will use who and what he can as he used the Romans, Nazi’s, etc etc and now the Muslims….who do we “blame”? the ones” behind it” or the ones obeying their “masters” actually perpetrating the barbaric acts?
            Like Hitlers henchmen..were they forced to kill, or willing accomplices? Satan can do nothing without willing hands to do his dirty work. It is all about personal responsibility , always has been and always will be in the end.

          • Jay

            Maria, agreed, excellent response! Brava!

          • Tom W.

            “For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, and bring them down inti the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my hreitage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.” – Joel 3:1&2

            Zechariah 12-14

            King James Version (KJV)
            Zechariah 12

            1The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

            2Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

            3And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

            4In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

            5And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.

            6In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.

            7The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.

            8In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

            9And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

            10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

            11In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

            12And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;

            13The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;

            14All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

            Zechariah 13

            1In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

            2And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.

            3And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.

            4And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:

            5But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.

            6And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

            7Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

            8And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

            9And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.
            (excessively lengthy post removed)

          • vieteravet

            Jay’s a little ‘Sheet Head’.

          • BrotherPatriot

            Nice to see that your still hammering at the “Good” fight, brother Jay. :)

            So very true…it’s been a long conspiracy at work here. This international cult of Luciferian worshipers have interwoven themselves into the very fabric of their host countries. However, their primary loyalty resides with their secret society over their Patriotism for country that they reside in. What great secret agents to pursue their Agenda as they infiltrate their host country’s systems at every level.

            This society must remain secret because if the truth of their Order were to be revealed…humanity would rise up against them. Why else would they do so much in secrecy and keep from humanity their secret knowledge that they jealously guard?

            It’s a definite US & Them senario. You better wake up to what that means!

            Let me ask you…was Albert Pike a good man? Was Adam Weishaupt a good man? Well, this secret cabal of cultists seem to think so and they have venerated those two horrible followers of Luicifer. Albert Pike was a confederate soldier and he was buried right in Washington DC. Does not this begin to add up, I ask of you?

            They will remain secret until the time is ripe for them to reveal themselves and this will only happen when they can swoop in and “save” everyone from their fabricated apocalypse, thus attempting to complete their grab for world domination.

            Seeing the world through this lens is the only way this world of ours makes sense to me. Otherwise, before I came to this realization I always wondered, “Why is this happening & why did they put that law into to place when it goes so against what I always believed America stood for?”

            Of course the laws that I speak of are the Patriot Act and the new National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 just signed into being on New Years Eve last year…just a few short weeks ago. Wake up people, this all is happening right in front of our eyes. You see, laws such as these are made to erode our freedoms and to give the power hungry Agenda followers a path for total control of the masses. Mark my words for this is terribly true.

            We MUST begin talking & revealing the horrible deeds that are being put forth by the followers of this Agenda. We MUST reveal the connections of these variously named organizations that are all connected by the Illuminati & just who these people are…and of course, everything seems to interconnect into the vehicle of the Masonic Cult, as the leaders of these organizations are virtually all Free Masons. The United Nations, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the Trilateral Commission are also of course, saturated by these Agenda followers.

            Oh to be a fly on the wall during some of their secret meetings & rituals with a recording device…can you imagine the knowledge that could help set us all free from their secret worldly control if such information were brought forth into the light of day? We got a snap shot of it when Alex Jones was able to infiltrate the Bohemian Grove and reveal them worshiping Moloch…a demon god that babies were sacrifised to by their ancestors and who is represented by the owl at the Grove and by a bull in other settings.

            https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Moloch
            (not that I overly trust wikipedia but this link does have alot of information…however, what they fail to mention is that the Rothschilds family history dates back to the Caananites and to all that implies…thus the horrible conspiracy begins to be revealed if you do your research)

            I just watched Gothica for the first time last night and could not help but see their stamp on this movie as well. Holly Berry’s character was held in cell #33 and the owl flying by as she entered the barn was not lost on me either. You begin to see all kinds of their symbology, once you have awakened to the truth, from the Masonic saturated Hollywood environment & the movies made by them. Another example could be IronMan…in the end, his symbol changes from a circle to the pyramid…and I could go on & on & on & on &…

            No matter what happens, stay resolute in your belief of God and what is morally right. For a time is coming to this earth soon that will be the true test of your faith in God…no matter what name you call him by.

            God Bless Humanity and may we as a species survive the coming turmoils and regain our Freedom & Liberty from the followers of the Luciferian Agenda that currently control this world of ours.

          • http://Wisesooth.PatriotActionNetwork.com Wisesooth

            I know what fresh country air smells like in the springtime. It smells just like the Muslin propaganda organization (CAIR?) doing their spin tactics. When will the lies and liars stop debauching world history?

        • Tom W.

          Hi Maria, I tried to post this the other night but for some reason Bob took it down. Keep your eyes on the skies Maria, cause like the monkee who got his tail caught in a lawn mower said, “It won’t be long now!!!” Let’s try this again.

          The following is a copy of an article written by Spanish writer Sebastian Vilar Rodriguez and published in a Spanish newspaper on Jan. 15, 2008. It doesn’t take much imagination to extrapolate the message to the rest of Europe – and possibly to the rest of the world.

          REMEMBER AS YOU READ — IT WAS IN A SPANISH PAPER
          Date: Tue. 15 January 2008 14:30

          ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez

          I walked down the street in Barcelona , and suddenly discovered a terrible truth – Europe died in Auschwitz … We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent.
          The contribution of the Jewish people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned.

          And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.

          They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime.

          Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.

          And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition.

          We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.

          What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe ..
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          (excessively lengthy post removed – PLEASE POST A LINK 2nd request)

          • Tom W.

            For entire post, Google; Oranjamund/Spanish Newspaper article Jews Arabs.

            “Without free speech no search for truth is possible… no discovery of truth is useful… Better a thousandfold abuse of free speech than denial of free speech. The abuse dies in a day, but the denial slays the life of the people, and entombs the hope of the race.” -Charles Bradlaugh

          • Maria

            Many thanks Tom.
            yes I remember that email now – thanks for reminding me, and it is very true .It is also ridiculous that the writer had to post under a false name to avoid reprisals !
            I have an ex-Muslim friend (who became a Christian after praying for truth and subsequently had a vision of Jesus ! as did a friend of hers..amazing hey ?) and she is almost hysterical at times at the way Muslims in our countries scheme, and get their demands met.She bemoans the fact that very very few Westerners have a clue what is going on right under their noses. She is terrified actually.
            Yes I am certainly looking to the skies !!
            Many thanks for all your posts…blessings, Maria

    • BrotherPatriot

      Thank You, Tom! For trying to help reveal the simple truth of this world.

      I would like to add that not ALL Masons are “in on it”. Many are just in the outer blue lodges or brought in a few degrees to help give the illusion that helps to cover their leaders goals. Many are just unaware and/or unwilling to believe the truth of their order(cult). However, it can not be agrued that things get pretty more bizarre during the rituals of initiaion as the participant travels deeper into the cults ranks.

      I hope that as members become better educated about what the Free Masons stand for (thank you internet!)…these awakening members begin to reveal the cult for what they are and step away. (There has been some who were very deep in the degrees who have done this but not all talk of it since others who have, Jon Todd, ended up dissapearing.) This seperation is needed to save their immortal soul as you can not stand in good grace with God (no matter what name you call him by) while you have given over your free will to the cult & their secret worship of Lucifer.

      However, this said…time is running out. The great cogs of their Agenda is now clicking audibly to those of us who are awake to the truth of this world and time is running out to cut them off at the pass. We may have to endure what is to come but I have great faith that God will set it all right eventually and man can return to what we originally were supposed to be…

      FREE & INDEPENDANT! Let secrecy come to an END!

      God Bless us all who fight the Good Fight.

  • AJ

    Ron Paul 2012

    • BrotherPatriot

      Agreed…as an American, there is no other choice out there who represents the Constitution so well.

      For me, the Constitution is the highest law of the land and the American experiment is still alive and well…so long as I and men/women such as I exist.

      As an Oathkeeper I say it’s time to stop being ostrich’s with our heads in the sand to do what we should have been doing so long ago…to begin talking about the truth and who/what is going on.

      God Bless Ron Paul & I’ll write him in if I must…even knowing it doesn’t matter who I vote for as the bought electorial college has already been told who is going to be the next President. (Even if it’s again the unqualified & illegal Barry Soetoro or whatever name he actually is…heck he may not even know!)

  • Tom

    The only way to defeat the globalists is through strength at arms. If we get the us military to remember that they swore an oath to the Constitution and not some self-agrandizing maniac in the white house we might have a chance.

  • Mike

    You would have to be a complete idiot to think being the bully/policeman of the world is a good thing. Let me ask all you kill em all and let god sort em up types 1 question. WHO’S GOING TO PAY FOR IT? This country is broke, 15 trillion in federal debt that isn’t even including state, county, city or corporate/private banking debts to foreigners like China (communists)and Saudi Arabia (wahabbis).

    I expect America to collapse and start selling off military bases, fighter jets and nuclear weapons just like USSR did when they collapsed. Welcome to reality, policing the world isn’t free, buying up a huge portion of the world’s goods while manafacturing absolutely nothing here has taken it’s toll. Look at how every empire in history fell from unbalanced trade and having it’s military stretched too far in too many territories, we are doing the exact same thing.

    • vieteravet

      comunist bastard!

  • Sharif

    I agree with Mike.Let America make another adventure by attacking Iran,the downfall of the Great American Empire will BEGIN!

  • Joe

    Bravo!

    This nation cannot afford another trillion dollar war with a country that poses no existential threat to it. The Iranian president’s statements have been mistranslated and taken out of context in order to drum up this fascistic war propaganda, as Ron Paul has pointed out.

    I don’t see how anyone can call themselves a fiscal conservative without supporting a non-interventionist foreign policy. Empires cost more than welfare-states.

    I believe in limited government, state’s rights, Christian social values – and am 100% opposed to American imperialism. Does that make me a “kook” or a left-winger? Or does it put me in line with the thought of America’s founders? People who have more than two brain-cells (that haven’t been radiated by Faux News) know the answer.

    Keep up the good work.

    • Tom W.

      Christian social values, hmm, that sounds familiar. That’s what Freemason Anders Briivik was trying to espouse wasn’t it?

      American Creation
      A group blog to promote discussion, debate and insight into the history, particularly religious, of America’s founding. Any observations, questions, or comments relating to the blog’s theme are welcomed.
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      Monday, July 25, 2011Anders Behring Breivik’s Thoughts on Christian Nationalism
      I do a lot of bashing of WorldNetDaily; though this article has some useful reporting. The terrorist is 1. a European Christian Nationalist, but 2. not very religious himself, apparently. He is a Freemason. And he has thought about some of the issues like “what is a Christian nation?” and “what is a ‘Christian’?” that we at American Creation have. God I hope he never visited our site.
      “As this is a cultural war, our definition of being a Christian does not necessarily constitute that you are required to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus,” he writes. “Being a Christian can mean many things; That you believe in and want to protect Europe’s Christian cultural heritage. The European cultural heritage, our norms (moral codes and social structures included), our traditions and our modern political systems are based on Christianity – Protestantism, Catholicism, Orthodox Christianity and the legacy of the European enlightenment (reason is the primary source and legitimacy for authority). It is not required that you have a personal relationship with God or Jesus in order to fight for our Christian cultural heritage and the European way. In many ways, our modern societies and European secularism is a result of European Christendom and the enlightenment. It is therefore essential to understand the difference between a ‘Christian fundamentalist theocracy’ (everything we do not want) and a secular European society based on our Christian cultural heritage (what we do want). So no, you don’t need to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus to fight for our Christian cultural heritage. It is enough that you are a Christian-agnostic or a Christian atheist (an atheist who wants to preserve at least the basics of the European Christian cultural legacy (Christian holidays, Christmas and Easter)). The PCCTS, Knights Templar is therefore not a religious organisation [sic] but rather a Christian ‘culturalist’ military order.”

      • Temper

        Being a Christian means living a life exemplified by the Christed one, Jesus. You speak of a “cultural” christian value, when that is not what everyone in the United States hold as their choice. You must be a “born again”…they are the most intollerennt group of people in the name of religion. The old testament was written by men.. That god does not exist! it is full of hatred, revenge and human sacrifice. What a joke…and then comes his son, who is completely opposite from his so called “father’s” doctrines…and he says to love your enemies,and, being truthful, was a Socialist. You seem very angry and bitter. Your comments are retalitory and meant to set people straight. I think you need to make peace with yourself and find a god who will be kinder to you. Christianity is a minority religion…Be at Peace….

    • vieteravet

      No Joe, your statements make you a leftwinged-nut!

  • CJM

    Now that dirty politics headed by the liberal camp and yellow journalists have eliminated the other Constitutional Candidates, Ron Paul is all that is left–therefore, he gets my vote. He does have sound ideas and he is on the right track for the recovery of the United States as a GLOBAL LEADER. The rest of the good ole boys should pack their bags and go home–none of them are even worth being selected as the Vice President.

  • Mike

    If they do, in fact, “hate us because of our freedom”, then aren’t we appeasing them with our so-called “Patriot” act?

  • Lynne

    I have been aware of government lies, conspiracies, and mis-steps for years and years (36 years to be precise). Ron Paul is the *only* current candidate speaking to the personal liberties and states’ rights that our Constitution and founding fathers built this country upon and for. Vote Ron Paul before it’s too late!

  • Temper

    ABOUT RON PAUL….you are so right in your commentary about those who gravitate to him. When I hear him speak in the debates, he comes across as such an “authentic” being and who truely wants for all of us what he wants for himself. It isn’t a me and them idealology that the other candidates keep reiterating…It bothers me that all the reporting on the News stations don’t even consider him in the running and consider the other runners a 2nd or 3rd place. THAT just goes to show that the population vote has no value. It will be Romney, who by the way, declares FAITH over NATION…pretty scarey to me. And it is even more interesting hearing all the CHRISTIANS throw mud at each other in the media and on the stage…Glad not to be one of them!

  • http://yahoo ronald hutchinson

    ron paul will have more delegates than mitt romney by mid july

    • vieteravet

      He’s an isolationist! America can’t be stupid enough to vote in another idiot zaelot.

      • BrotherPatriot

        God Bless Ron Paul as he’s the only politition who votes according to the Constitution & his voting record PROVES IT!

        I will write him in if I must even though the popular vote really doesn’t matter…it still is the right thing to do.

        This world of ours is about to change drastically…keep your powder dry as the saying goes.

        God Bless us all as well who fight the good fight.

        • thecolonel

          Brother Patriot …

          You might use your ‘spell checker’ next time … I think the word you wanted was ‘politiican’ …

          And I really don’t think that the IDIOT Ron Paul considers himself to be a ‘politician’ – what he REALLY is an isolationist who does not realize that there ARE those out there who DO want to destroy the Judeo-Christian world that we have established here in the United States of America … does anyone understand ‘Shira Law’?

          • BrotherPatriot

            Oh thankyous thecolonel for pointing out the minor spelling errors since they are so important to the what we are discussing for us to spend time on in comparison and while your at it I’m sure you can mention that this is one big runon senetence and porely structured and filled with mny mispelt words and such so let’s keep things in perspective while were at it, eh ‘ol chap.

            Ron Paul isn’t really a true politician nor an isolationist, as you accuse. I consider him more of a Statesman than anything since he does indeed follow the Constitution so well when he casts his vote.

            My GOD that must horrify someone of your caliber, eh…thecolonel…?

            God Bless ya anyway for he can forgive you where I can not…For your clearly made decision to be an idiot.

            (Woke up abit fiesty I guess…)

        • Howie

          BrotherPatriot, “Ditto” to your comment!

  • Howie

    The “ONLY” thing that has sold me on to Ron Paul are his Constitutional values. Anyone that looks outside and beyound the Constitution for the values of our great nation is…NOT… a patriot.
    I still contend that our Constitution IS a living document not to be deviated from, without the proper referendum of the people and only then,through congress. Obama and his administration have consistanly have trampled all over the Constitution and turned a blind eye to the rule of law. NO other candidate (presently in the running) has consistantly acknowleged their support of the values contained and the rule of law like Ron Paul. I know I am in the minority to give him my vote but I have to vote my concience. I don’t believe the world will come to an end if he should win but it sure may if he dosen’t. (Our world as a free people)

  • dquiney

    Stop giveing food aide to North Korea.

  • sunshineIQ

    Reply to Professor: I went to school in Dearborn. Since the Arabs have come into the area, shops have opened and prospered. I didn’t see any “ghettos” in the neighborhood. The problem is that it appears to be becoming exclusively Arab. I have no idea about the numbers of Muslims vs non Muslim Arabs. I do know that when I went into a restaurant in 2004 with my mother, I sensed the owners/help were questioning whether they should wait on us. We ate our meal without incident.

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