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Local Cops See Ammo Shortage While Congress Asks Big Sis: Bullets? Why You Need Those Stinkin’ Bullets?

March 25, 2013 by  

Local Cops See Ammo Shortage While Congress Asks Big Sis: Bullets? Why You Need Those Stinkin’ Bullets?
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Maybe something will give soon. More and more members of Congress are beginning to dial up the heat on the Department of Homeland Security to divulge its justification for taking steps to amass an alleged 20 years’ worth of ammunition.

Infowars reported Friday that Representative Doug LaMalfa (R-Calif.) and 14 other House members have written DHS to determine what all these bullets are really for, and whether the big buy is part of an effort to artificially choke supply and drive up prices.

The letter comes on the heels of bipartisan clamoring for DHS head Janet “Big Sis” Napolitano to speak plainly on the topic — something she so far hasn’t done.

The Congressmen should be helped along by emerging reports that city and county cops across the United States are having to ration bullets, be put on waiting lists or even barter with other agencies in order to avoid running out of ammunition for both training and patrol use.

CNS News compiles several such reports in the past two months, from Texas to Montana to Tennessee to Wisconsin. One Ohio city is applying for an ammo grant.

As you likely know, DHS isn’t military; it’s an agency ostensibly preoccupied with domestic safety. A February analysis determined the United States would have had to extend the most heated portion of its Iraq war for an additional 24 years to expend the amount of ammo our supposed Homeland protectors have snatched up.

Ben Bullard

Reconciling the concept of individual sovereignty with conscientious participation in the modern American political process is a continuing preoccupation for staff writer Ben Bullard. A former community newspaper writer, Bullard has closely observed the manner in which well-meaning small-town politicians and policy makers often accept, unthinkingly, their increasingly marginal role in shaping the quality of their own lives, as well as those of the people whom they serve. He argues that American public policy is plagued by inscrutable and corrupt motives on a national scale, a fundamental problem which individuals, families and communities must strive to solve. This, he argues, can be achieved only as Americans rediscover the principal role each citizen plays in enriching the welfare of our Republic.

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  • Vicki

    The OP writes:
    “The Congressmen should be helped along by emerging reports that city and county cops across the United States are having to ration bullets, be put on waiting lists or even barter with other agencies in order to avoid running out of ammunition for both training and patrol use.”

    Surly you mean just training. Being on patrol they should use nearly 0 rounds per year. Otherwise we would hear about a LOT more police involved shootings than we do.

    • ranger09

      And one thing is for sure most of these Cops sure need to practice, most need 50 rounds just to hit a target at 25 yards, Most of the time they just shoot at anything that moves.

    • JeffH

      Vicki, I’ve been searching for some 9mm and 5.56/.223 ammo almost every day nd I don’t see things much different today than they were in the most of ’09 although it seems a little worse than before. Go figure. All of my sources are out of both those calibers and there aren’t any timelines for new shipments.

      In ’11 I bought 1000 rds of 5.56 brass cased 55gr. fmjbt reloads for $275. Now you can’t even find them retail/commercially but you can find ammo through private parties for anywhere between a low of 70cents a round up to $1.00 rd. even for the steel cased Russian ammo. I just popped $350 for 500 rds. to add to what I already had and had to convince myself to do that. Now all I need is my lower and upper parts to come in so I can complete my new AR build…maybe 2-3 months more.

  • http://Personellibertyalert Paul

    The AMMO they are buying is for the Taliban freedom fighters or also known as terrorist. As well as arms of all sorts. Soon to be used against our own men and women.

    • RGS

      Defacto gun control that eviscerates the 2nd Amendment.

      • Average Joe

        And yet another firearm manufacturer stands up for the 2nd. Amendment and Law abiding citizen’s.

        Bravo Serbu!

        No Gun for You! – Serbu Tells NYPD to Find Another .50 Cal

        http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/03/daniel-zimmerman/serbu/?fb_source=pubv1

        AJ

        • http://aol txbadonetoo

          Amen and God Bless Serbu and Barrett Arms for refusing to sell weapons to the Government in areas which don’t support the intent of the 2nd Amendment. I applaud both companies for having values in the way they run their business.

        • ranger09

          People these Manufacturers are doing nothing but making excess profit off the stupid american people, NY no big deal when they sale two to NY and hundreds to the public and they are laughling all the way to the Bank, If they were good people they would keep the prices DOWN and not bleed the american people PRICES have gotten way out of line with the true costs to MFG.And if the [expletive deleted] hits the fan do you thing they will be on your side.

          • Patriot

            Oh NO!! Not PROFIT!!! That’s TERRIBLE!!! Oh, someone has GOT to stop this horrible PROFIT thing! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

          • http://aol txbadonetoo

            Yeah.. and stop holding a gun to the head of people who are rushing out to buy guns and ammo.. I don’t blame gun companies for making a profit these days. They have to spend mega $$ to keep away people such as Obama, Schumer and Reid..

    • jdn

      How large must the elephant in the room be before people will see it ?

      • CatGman

        The problem is, when they see the elephant, they will say “I am sure the government has a good reason for the elephant. Not enough people give a damn anymore.

        • http://todaysconstitution.wordpress.com usirius

          “Representative Doug LaMalfa (R-Calif.) and 14 other House members have written DHS to determine what all these bullets are really for…”

          Capt. T. Hestilow wrote to Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) about this same subject: “with gravest concern that I write to you today concerning the recent appropriation of weapons by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that can only be understood as a bold threat of war by that agency, and the Obama administration, against the citizens of the United States of America. …DHS has been unwilling to provide to you, the elected representatives of the People, justification for recent purchases of almost 3,000 mine-resistant ambush-protected (MRAP) armored personnel carriers, 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition (with associated weapons), and other weapons systems, when, in fact, the DHS has no war mission or war making authority within the limits of the United States of America.
          Significant is the fact that at the same time the Obama administration is arming his DHS for war within the limits of the United States against the People of the United States in accordance with his 2008 campaign speech claiming,
          “We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve gotta have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded [as the USt military]” Candidate Barack Obama, 2008.”

          He would like to see that the weapons of war be given to the DoD.

          I personally believe that would be an equally grave mistake. Those ‘weapons of war’ should be disbursed between each state’s Militia so that the PEOPLE can train on them and defend themselves, their cities, their states, the USA if needed.

          Remember that the DoD has lied to get and keep us in ‘wars’ on foreign soil; plus misinformed us and mislead us as to the actual happenings American soldiers were – at times – dying and being maimed for.

          I believe that we ALL must write, call, e mail ‘our’ representatives demanding that those “weapons of war” be taken from the DHS, IRS, etc and given to the peoples militia.

        • ranger09

          Very true, and soon there will not be many real Americans left in this Country, And the ones we have left are fast becoming Sheep just following the bell. And all this time they are slowly bleeding the Americans out of their hard earned money, By inflating the costs to us they are making sure that we cannot afford the things we need.When the Power controls The food,water, and the land they then control the sheep.

        • http://clear.net ex-millman

          The people in Homeland security are being replaced by Obumma with Ragheads that are willing to do his bidding and all that ammo is for them to go out on Obamma’s comand and start (mass murder) killings of the American people under the guise of Home land security. Obamma will see us as the terrorist and will have us all shot for just being Americans, which by the way Obamma hates. He hates us as a people,our way of life and because he is a MUSLIM and they hate everyone especially because they think that their religion is the only religion. Why do you think they call us infidel’s. Most of the reason that muslims hate Americans is because we have the most powerful toys on the planet and they are jealous, all the MEN want to be a god just like their precious Mohammad. Obammma also wants to a GOD to all the American people and thinks we should just blindly follow his way of thinking and be good little slaves to his un-just ways. Not in his life time or anyone’s elses either should people put up with someone like the – (commander and theif) as he is out for revenge against this country and is willing to kill anyone that stands in his way!! By using Homeland Security!!!

      • http://midcontent ridge runner

        Whining about police “man handling” minorities, as soon as these crimminal fks learn to shut up, stop, and stay still, they probably will not get shot or controlled with equal force. If the law abiding citizens can not get arms or items used with arms, only thugs and the marxist/communists will have ammo.

      • http://facebook Lee Lewis

        For some, they will never see the elephant in the room, they’ll only know it when it steps on them, but by then it’s too late.

    • Texas Ride

      Heard a story that they are also arming the irs gestapo with Ultima 11 Rifles. These are priced at $1,700 a piece. Of course, the government probably paid twice that for each one.

    • Larry K.

      your right and i’ll take a few before they kill me.

    • John Wiggins

      Daily i visit @ 15 stores that sell ammo. I cannot get any .22, 9 mm, .38, or .45 except in limited quanities. .30-30 is becoming scarce as well. this is the first time, in 25 years of owning guns, that i have been unable to buy a bullet for my gun. thats SCARY!

    • http://www.facebook.com/michael.shreve.94 Michael Shreve

      They have PLANS for each and every bullet. We ALL need to practice looking over our shoulder.

  • s mart pants

    Why does Barney Fife come to mind ?

    • FreedomFighter

      Congress Asks Big Sis: Bullets? Why You Need Those Stinkin’ Bullets?

      Answer: KILL AMERICANS

      You need only look at the practice targets of pregnant women in thier home or elderly in the kitchen of thier homes or little boys on the playgroud, or mother with thier childern. Thats what they practice on…

      Congress are you really that stupid you cant figure this out — STOP THEM NOW.

      Ask yourself congress and senate — what do all dictators do, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Polpot, when they finally sieze full and complete power?

      They kill the current governing body and any and all other leadership…ie you.

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

      • Wellarmed

        Agreed FreedomFighter.

        Americans will be the recipients of this historically large purchase of ammunition. In many ways this RPO/RFP is very similar to the Rand Paul filibuster in that both questions should never have to be asked of our government. The answer from Eric Holder should have taken a full second to properly respond to Rand Paul’s question. And likewise this ammo purchase should be immediately scrapped until the Congress can provide sufficient reason for the larges of this purchase in a time of such austerity.

        Unless someone in Congress brings this to a screeching halt (they control the purse strings) then I can only rest assured that all of the Unconstitutional EOs passed over the course of the last 30 years, and the NDAA, PATRIOT Act ETC…… are about to bear fruit.

        Those that continue to simply view what is about to happen on Obama has not been paying attention. He is but a mere puppet, and we need to delve deeper to find his master.

  • MontanaGrandmom

    We have gun manufacturing companies threatening to move out of states instituting severe gun control legislation and ammo companies claiming a shortage of ammo available and yet the DHS is able to purchase that insane amount of ammo. Why don’t the ammo companies just put a resaonable limit on purchase quantities on everyone. Gun rights advocates aren’t going to be amassing anywhere near the quantity of ammo the DHS reportedly has stockpiled. While the reports are resaon for concern, something seems fishy in them. Can these ammo companies even produce that quantity of ammo in a relatively short period of time?

    • ranger09

      YES these people are talking about leaving, BUT its not about the constitution its about making money.And these people will always sale to the Govt first before the people.And yes there is always something to be concerned about when our politicians do something, The problem is the people just have not involved themselves into what our politicians have been doing for many,many years. Their main concerns are CORP power and there own wealth. America and its people rate very low on the list.

  • http://midcontent ridge runner

    When the USA is borrowing half of every dollar from China, what are taxpayers buying massive amounts oof ammo for the government to put in exprnsive storage? Or since the marxist muslim could be building a massive supply for his bros of the pedophile worshipping muslim brotherhood pukes, any thing is possible with Obozo and his dumbocrap head bobbing facist/communists.

    • http://aol txbadonetoo

      Ridge – to get to West Virginia hang a right at the next Piggly Wiggly.. (my apology to the good people in West Virginia). Ridge – the US Government (ie. the FED) is the biggest buyer of our debt – not China. And drop the racist comments Ridge – it just makes you look bad.

    • http://PersonalLibraryDigest Michael G.

      My guess is that when all the ‘freebies’ are gone, then those who were getting them will turn on DHS, and that is one place the trouble would start…

    • 45caliber

      I’m wondering….

      Could it be that DHS is buying all bullets to insure the civilians won’t have any to buy?

      Or could it be that they are planning to shut down all ammo manufacturers and simply want to have a good supply of their own bullets first?

      • Savage

        I believe you are right on both. And, I believe there’s a 3rd reason — they want to be “more-than-prepared” in case of civil unrest.

      • http://midcontent ridge runner

        The best answer is everyone will get to chew and suck on a shell as themarxist/communist take your guns and use the to exterminate people with their own guns, ammo furnished by the muslim brotherhood. Found out last week traveling in the Dakotas, Mt. and Wyo there is several control towers being put up by the government. When I stopped some of the crews and asked if it was new telephone towers for cell phones, I was informed what was different with drone towers compared to phone towers, it is easy to spot, and the crews told us, it is to protect us from terrorists. The only terrorist out there is rabid coyotes, antelope or skunks. out here jackrabbits have to pack a lunch and 2 water bottles.

      • JeffH

        45caliber, I believe they’re(the gov.)are intentionally creating a shortage to fend off any supply for civilians.

        I doubt that they want to shut down the manufacturers…but I’d bet they’ve aready had discussions about siezing them and making them “gov. run” manufacurers.

      • http://www.facebook.com/roy.stewart.3572 Roy Stewart

        Impeach Obama and his band of usurpers . . . . DHS has no business with weapons let alone mountains of ammunition ‘hollow points’ at that!

        • http://facebook Lee Lewis

          Impeach is a great word, but we don’t have one in the House or the Senate that has the balls enough to stand up and tackle this. This man and his henchmen has trampled on our Constitution and our liberties and all we can do is bitch about it, stand back and watch Rome burn…. (history repeating itself).

  • Wil

    The bullets and military equipment is probably to protect the elite,once their strategy works and the overloaded system breaks down. When there are no more freebies,SS goes under,food and water unavailable, there will be a whole lot of people rioting and looting everything in sight.

    • http://comcast.com thefisherman

      In trouble times like that you need to read your handbook. That says ,bend over grab your ankles and kiss your ass good bye. Suck it up

  • OIFtanker1

    @Vicki, that’s a rational thought line, but unless you’re familiar with certain areas, the expenditure of ammo in rural areas is probably a lot higher than their urban counterparts. I know this goes contrary to popular thought, but cops in the country deal with many more nuisance, or vicious, animal calls than their city slicker comrades. A good friend of mine is a Texas State Trooper, and he has related to me numerous times that because of the necessarily spread out nature of the state game wardens, both county sheriff deputies and troopers get calls of that nature routed to them as needed. Of course, this does nothing to justify DHS’s apparent hording of service ammo, nor their HUGE order for MRAP’s(mine resistant armored personnel carriers). If you’ll recall, these are the same vehicles that our service members were in such dire need of not too long ago. Speaking from my own personal experience, heavy trucks such as these were a precious commodity in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

  • rafael

    What about the 2,700 armored vehicles, is that for ” training purposes ” as well. I guess it’s so DHS can ride around the shooting range in them practicing shooting at human like (American citizens look alike ) targets.

  • http://aol txbadonetoo

    I like to think I follow the news but this topic – DHS and other Fed Agencies buying bullets has me confused. I hear 1) it’s normal buying and then 2) they are buying 1.4 Billion rounds and then 3) we shouldn’t worry.

    I’m not sure who to trust on this topic. DHS? HELL NO! Janet has lied about the border more times than I’ve had Mexican food for dinner during her tenure – and I like Mexican food. Believe the MSM? HELL NO.

    This is one of the few topics upon which I still don’t know which way is up – but when it comes to the Feds – based on their history of ‘transparency’ under Obama I’ll remain negative and skeptical until the truth comes out. I hope Congress does subpeona Janet N. and get her to lie again under oath.

  • Larry K.

    they won’t be look a like targets, they will be real people.

  • securityman

    do you really think that “lying under oath” will make any difference.who do you think will put her in jail for it????

  • ToughGuy1

    I hope, I’m in a free gun zone. have some powerful ammo to take down a Obama drone!

  • Hedgehog

    Just a suggestion for police forces that are suffering from ammo shortages. Save your brass and recycle it through reloading machines. Dig out the expended bullets from the range backstop, melt them down and recast them to load in recycled brass. This isn’t new, it isn’t even high tech. I’m a handloader, have been for over 50 years now. I have loading presses, reloading dies, primers, powder, bullets, etc., accumulated over that half century. I can’t remember the last time I purchased store bought ammo. In my younger days, I expended about 10,000 rounds of various calibers and gauges a year, for many years. There is no reason why police departments can’t eke out their store bought ammo with handloads, except perhaps stupid regulations. No, no got to send the brass to China as scrap so they can process it into ammo for their 2.8 million man army. Guess who they’ll use it on! Bureaucrats, hang em all!

  • Vicki

    OIFtanker1 says:
    “@Vicki, that’s a rational thought line, but unless you’re familiar with certain areas, the expenditure of ammo in rural areas is probably a lot higher than their urban counterparts.”

    Indeed I would expect they do, however we are talking average over whole country so I would expect the expenditure to still be near 0. Perhaps the city police would be willing to “share the wealth of ammo” with their rural counterparts? :)

  • http://aol txbadonetoo

    Sure as hell not our weak GOP House Representatives. What happened to Holder with Fast and Furious? Nothing. What happened regarding Benghazi? Nothing. And what has happened with ICE / DHS releasing 2400 illegals under claim of budget cuts? Nothing.

    You’re right – Boehner needs to go and some new blood which will actually force issues to resolution need to replace Boehner, Mitch and McCain.. We don’t have time or patience for dinosaurs anymore..

  • Keith Blackwell

    Maybe with this bullet shortage, incidents of police brutality may decline. Minorities may get a breather.

  • http://aol txbadonetoo

    Keith, come on. Why bring the race card into this discussion? You must be a Progressive Liberal.

  • Patriot

    I have read some truly stupid generalizations on this message board. This is in the top 5. Bravo!

  • Lance

    Dont forget that the majority of the bullets are 40 cal and hollow points. Nether used for military. Hollow points were outlawed by the Geneva convention and hollow point are more expensive to make and are never used for target practice. And at present consumption of bullets being used by the military in the middle east would extend the war for an additional 35 years. Do the math.

  • http://(none) Jerome Brenner

    One probable reason:
    If the federal government buys up the available supply, it will probably raise the price of ammunition substantially, making it harder for the average citizen to stock up. This defacto gun control: if you can’t afford ammunition, your gun is just a cudgel – and a poor one at that.

  • Wellarmed

    Agreed with your comments and suggestions. I have had this conversation with most of my friends over the years who could not be bothered to take the time and police their brass.

    Stop focusing on ammo people, and focus on the components to make ammo as well as reloading equipment. Vehicle wheel weights can be used for the manufacturing of the projectile and I would highly suggest the purchasing of many hand die sets to handle this in the field.

    The founding fathers warned us of the dangers to standing armies on our shores, and if this RPO for this quantity of ammunition is not stopped then you can rest assured of what its end result will be. Look at the calibers ordered and select your weapons accordingly.

    If you are already proficient with your weapons, and have your optics sighted, then by all means let the ranges across the nation go silent so you can preserve the tools and supplies that will be necessary to save your country and freedom.

    All those who disagree with my comments are free to scroll past them, but may I suggest that you keep your resume current as DHS will be calling for you, and I would not want you to let them down.

  • http://todaysconstitution.wordpress.com usirius

    I do not believe that he brought the “race card” into it. It is a fact that most who live in the “inner city” are minorities. They are also the least defended by law enforcement.

    But did he limit his comment only that, yes. I feel it would his comment have served a much larger purpose if he had expounded on the issue of DHS arming themselves with military grade weapons that will most likely be used in the USA by traitors to our nation who work with the DHS and TSA.

    I also feel that when we get our nation back on its propler track, we need to arrest and prosecute EVERY single one who was willing to work to destroy the USA as traitors. Most will not get the death penalty, but some will. We need to arrest them if it means we track them for the rest of their lives – and beyond, if their reported demise is not proven to our satisfaction – for prosecution (As was done after Hitler’s Germany and is STILL being done).

  • ranger09

    Well one thing is for sure the prices have gone crazy, And a few companys are making a lot of excess profit off of us stupid Americans. You would think that these ammo Companys would have the American people at heart, BUT we know that the Buck controls these people and not the people or the Country. Same with the prices on firearms.

  • USNretired

    We need to get a few congressmen/women into congress that have not had lobotomy prior to election. In today’s political environment that is a very difficult accomplishment. The last time I read the US Constitution, which was early this morning, the congress has control of the money and determines where it is to be spent. How did DHS get the authority and the money to spend several billions of dollars for contraband ammunition and military equipment. Seems like that would be a high crime against the people of the United States. Subject to execution or life imprisonment. She is an appointee so she does not have to be impeached but falls under criminal law and justice. This country is being consumed by mobster mentality politicians and bureaucrats. The16 trillion dollar national debt is clear proof of that. Congress needs to get away from their ten year solution, tantamount to kicking the can down the road, and get hold of and formulate an immediate/emergency plan to solve the problem now. The immediate history of Europe should serve as reason to reform our financial policies. Obama need to be impeached and tried for mob criminal activities. Those congressmen, both Democratic and Republican, that wish to continue status quo or worse need to join Obama in the trials for criminal activities. Stealing money by whatever means and cause should come under criminal activity instead of political expediency. Reduce the Government to a station keeping level, reduce government employees and salaries to the level of private industry. Eliminate perks for all government officials and employees. Outlaw all unions until economic solid ground has been achieved. Repeal NAFTA to bring industry and multinational money back to the US. Our Congress and all of federal government is broke. Without permanent fixes and not just cover-up bandages, this country will become another African third world socialist oligarchy. A system in which this administration is trying to put us.

  • FreedomFighter

    How did DHS get the authority and the money to spend several billions of dollars for contraband ammunition and military equipment. Seems like that would be a high crime against the people of the United States.

    Janet “DUNGBEETLE” Napaliono has refused to answer congress on this issue.

    DHS Denies Purchasing Massive Rounds Of Ammunition
    http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/03/dhs-denies-purchasing-massive-rounds-of-ammunition/

    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

  • concerned citizen

    I am starting to think it would be profitable to make a run to mexico, find a cartel, and run ammo back into the USA… you know, the good stuff from the fast and furious deal… I am sure they haven’t used it all up yet… and would be willing to part with it for some of our cash or gold or something of value…
    Probably can’t get much from Canada… but have to wonder if folks across the borders are willing and/or capable of sending us some… even unfired brass would be good at this point… all I have seen is on backorder for .308…

    One thing for sure… this ammo crisis is real… and nutty as a fruitcake…

  • R H

    It sure looks like they are prepared to battle American citizens. And with Obama and Holder in power, I can only believe that is what they are doing. The power needs to be returned to the people!

  • Dr. Sack

    Obama said, “this is the most transparent White House ever”. Really????? Obama is the worst president in history. He is a liar, deceiver, and thief. And he wants to take away our guns?
    He has fail on so many of his promises, but he is bring about that change to us.
    He closes the White House to use the money to buy ammo, weapons, and armored cars for his own police force.
    He is taking our tax dollars to give away too do nothing lazy sucker to get their votes.
    He is doing everything he can to dividing this nation by having us fighting amongst ourselves, class warfare.
    I’ve never seen this nation so divided. I believe the liberals goal is to divide and conquer We The People. The liberals keep letting the criminals back out on the streets to bring disorder, and chaos. With this chaos the people will demand more order. All the liberals have to offer is more gun control. If these laws are enacted the Homeland Secerity Police “army” forces will have the authorty to take action to remove the arms from those who fail to obey an Unconstitutional Act.
    Look up Unconstitutional Acts and Unconstitutional Acts Definded

  • http://Personellibertyalert Paul

    Whose funding these bullet purchases? Does not congress have to approve large purchases?

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