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Let's Throw This Rascal Out

July 23, 2010 by  

Let's Throw This Rascal Out

If there were any liberal Democrats in the crowd that filled Bally’s Convention Center two weeks ago, they kept a very low profile. Because from the opening bell, the 2,000-plus people attending this year’s FreedomFest crowd made it clear what they wanted: less government, less spending, lower taxes, fewer bureaucrats and no deficits.
 
And they also want every incumbent running for office defeated this year… with the possible exception of Ron Paul.

In short, this group wants change. And they were ready to applaud like mad for anyone who promised it. Even the mildest of anti-Obama jokes had them laughing and cheering.

“President Obama says if he weren’t president, he’d be buying stocks,” I reminded them. “To which I say; if you weren’t president, I’d be buying stocks, too, Mr. President.” The crowd roared.

For the seventh consecutive year I served as Master of Ceremonies for “the world’s largest gathering of free minds,” which means I got to introduce our keynote speakers, numerous panelists and the opponents in several heated debates.

Things got off to a lively start the very first morning. I told the audience that, “When I sat on Santa Claus’s lap last December, I told him there were only two things I wanted this year. First, could you please demote Nancy Pelosi? I want a new majority leader in the House of Representatives!” The crowd stomped and cheered.

“For my second gift, Santa, would you please retire Harry Reid from the U.S. Senate?” More loud cheers and applause.

Then I said, “Ladies and gentlemen, permit me to introduce the feisty young grandmother who is going to make my second wish come true. Please join me in welcoming Harry Reid’s opponent in this November’s election for the U.S. Senate in Nevada, Mrs. Sharron Angle.”

I don’t think Sarah Palin would have gotten a bigger welcome had the hall been hosting a Tea Party convention. The crowd was loudly and enthusiastically ready for change in Nevada’s Senate seat. And they made it clear they hoped Sharron Angle would be it.

I’m proud to say that even before she left the stage I made the very first contribution to the “Angle for Senate” campaign that day. But I was far from alone. Her campaign manager told me later that they received more than $60,000 in contributions while she was there.

Frankly, they’re going to need every penny of it—and a whole lot more. Reid has boasted that he already has more than $10 million in his campaign coffers… and he expects to raise at least $15 million more. If there’s one seat the Democrats are determined not to lose this year it is Reid’s in Nevada. (If you’d like to help retire the Silver State’s senior senator, go to www.SharronAngle.com and send her a contribution yourself.)

The very next day, the White House announced that President Obama was flying to Las Vegas for a special campaign appearance on behalf of his beleaguered Senate majority leader. Those of us at FreedomFest probably wouldn’t have known anything about it, except for one thing: Because of security considerations, the Las Vegas airport and all the airspace in a 20-mile radius was closed for most of the afternoon to all traffic except Air Force One.

Obama couldn’t have known (and probably wouldn’t have cared if he did) that as a result, our final speaker of the day was not allowed to land. We had invited Greg Mortenson, author of the runaway best-seller Three Cups of Tea, to tell us about his experiences building schools for impoverished children, mostly young girls, in Afghanistan and Pakistan. His plane circled the area for nearly two hours before it was allowed to land 90 miles away.

We quickly shuffled the schedule so he would be the first speaker the next morning. The hall was packed when he strode to the podium at 8:00 am. And 2,000 people listened with breathless fascination as he showed photographs and told stories of the work he had done, the friends he had made, the lives he had changed, and the threats he had faced.

Let me pause for a moment to insert a promotion here for Greg Mortenson’s talk and books. Three Cups of Tea has been on the best-seller lists for the past three years, so it’s easy to find at any bookstore or Amazon.com. While you’re there, also order his new one, Stones into Schools. You’ll be deeply moved by both. For a DVD of his talk at FreedomFest, as well as CDs or MP3s of the 162 other speakers who appeared this year, go to www.freedomfest.com.

I don’t know how many other people were affected by the closure of McCarran Airport for several hours that day. But as it turned out, we got the last laugh from it. At our closing banquet on Saturday I was able to tell the crowd that yes, they could finally go home: “President Obama has left the city and the airport is open again.” That got some mild applause and laughter.

Then I added, “By the way, the latest polls have just come out. They confirm that President Obama’s appearance here cost Harry Reid 14,500 votes!” Then I concluded, “So please come back and campaign some more, Mr. President. But please wait until we’ve left town.” The crowd hooted and howled. As I said before, this was a group ready for change.

Speaking of change, check out the first item in my Chip Shots column at the bottom of today’s Personal Liberty Alerts™. Another politician in Nevada who is trying to distance himself from Harry Reid seems to be his own son.

By the way, I had an epiphany of sorts during this year’s FreedomFest. I realized that I’ve been wasting a lot of time over the past 50 years trying to educate liberals. It finally dawned on me that is almost always a waste of time.

For all sorts of reasons—liberal guilt, indoctrination in school, a vested interest in government largess, whatever; there are a whole lot of people out there who aren’t going to change their minds, no matter how many facts we put in front of them.

No, let’s forget about persuading the left that we’re right. It isn’t going to happen.

Instead, let’s look for people of principle who have not been politically active before—and let’s them energized and activated to throw the rascals out.

Sound difficult? It’s not. Select a friend or neighbor whom you know is a person of good character. Share your concern about what’s happening to the country you love. Ask if they are also alarmed by runaway spending, exploding deficits, rising taxes, and other aspect of growing government.

If they agree with you—and I’m betting the majority of them will—ask them to work with you to help make a difference. Find people running for office you think you can trust. Give them the support they need to get elected.

And once they win, keep your eye on them. Make sure they vote the way they promised. Support them when they’re right. Argue with them when they’re wrong.

And if you get too little of the former and too much of the latter, go to work to replace them. Remember, every election matters. Victory isn’t going to come from the White House down; it’s going to come from local communities up. That’s how we won our freedom in the first place; it’s how we’re going to restore it now.

Resolve that this year you’re going to help make a difference. Then, find a few people who agree with you. Repeat this often enough, in enough places, and it will happen. Believe it.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

—Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • s c

    When Elvis was alive, fans used to hear ‘Elvis has left the building’ if they stayed around long enough. He was very talented, and his fans adored him. He could sing. He could go through the motions of playing a guitar. He wasn’t afraid to give of himself to others.
    Elvis’ diametic opposite, The Anointed One, is a no-talent puppet. His ‘fans’ are either braindead, or they have sold their souls. The Anointed One can’t sing. He wouldn’t know a guitar string from a pig’s butt. The Anointed One is arrogant beyond belief. As for giving, I doubt he knows the meaning of the word.
    When Elvis left the building, you knew you were in the presence of someone very special. When The Anointed One leaves the White House (preferably the country), there will be a cheer from one coast to the other. God Willing, that day is very near.

    • hflashman

      You have to get spell check. The appointed one…against the WILL of the People, was put in the WH by a stacked court after threats of vioence were threatened around the country. We suffered eight years of his regime, graft and corruption were rampant, and the wealthy got richer, and we suffered. He crashed the economy, burdened us with debt, left the states flooded in red ink by unfunded mandates, and got us into two wars…niether of which he did anything but extend so his pals could get richer.

      Thank god Bush is gone.

      • William

        flashman it’s obvioues to everyone you are another brain dead yelloydog democrat. so enamored with obummer you can’t think for yourself, get over it dumbass,

        • eddie47d

          You can’t handle the truth! Only nasty replies so that makes you the ( what was that word)?

          • JeffH

            …people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones or is it a case of the pot calling the kettle black…help me out here would ya?

          • Bud in San Antone

            For jeffH:
            This Kettle of Crap is olly half black.

          • JeffH

            Bud in San Antone, your point is well taken…

          • eddie47d

            Jeff; Still playing the dumbass game Your so proficient!

        • BOE

          For Flashman…it`s getting to the end of the month. It must be hard having to wait for that damned welfare check uh?

        • coal miner

          William,

          Join the IWW today.We can’t be bought,bribe or sold.All governments are corrupt.

          “The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could
          use the differences in those two
          so-called ideologies [marxism/fascism/socialism v. democracy/capitalism]
          to enable them [the Illuminati] to divide larger
          and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could
          be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and
          destroying each other.”
          - Myron Fagan -

          • kate8

            coal miner, Good post.

            It’s worked well, too, hasn’t it. It’s too bad that there are so many who still refuse to believe it. Jut think what we could do if we were all to unite against this evil.

            There are those who desire to be independent, self-sufficient, self-accountable, able to make their own choices, free to thrive (or fail), and left alone by those who would hold them captive.

            Then there are those who just want to be taken care of, have guarantees that they will have their needs met whether they earn it or not, feel inadequate and helpless, resent those who are motivated and accountable, and support a system that will provide these things. They don’t even seem to mind that it costs them their freedom.

          • kate8

            The latter are the very ones that allow the power-hungry to thrive.
            Without them, they would be powerless.

          • Denniso

            The irony in the article about ‘freedom fest’ is that Democrats and liberals want real freedom and the conservatives want to control our lives…women’s choice,medical marijuana,freedom from the idiotic drug war,civil rights,voting rights,access to healthcare,access to decent jobs that can support a person,freedom of religion vs a state supported religion,acces to education, and more…the conservatives are clever w/ their use of catch phrases like ‘freedom’,'liberty’,'small gov’t', but it is all blatant hypocrisy.

          • Anthony

            Well now, it’s still toooooo easy to see where Denniso butters his bread. The most famous of tactics by Progressives is to always accuse others of that which YOU are doing.

            I see it didn’t take very long at all, for the Instigators to start “baitin’… this topic of discussion.

            The one real truth we know in Politics and VOTING, is that those who think they never wrong seriously CANNOT HANDLE … being had by the very people they dug deep to support.

            Denniso, and the others that degrade only Republicans easily out themselves as not having done their homework. And, no matter how how Bob Livingston posts Articles AND Book Reviews on this Website, those very same Progressives (you know, the group who gave us the Central Bank?) would rather run into their Spider Holes than own up to their own self-annointed ignorance.

            BUT – THAT’S THEIR BUSINESS… and let them have at it.

            The People who have studied up and learned the truth of it, should simply not respond. You’re better off, folks.

            As for the FreedomFest Crowd – I hope they’re out there going from backyard fence to backyard fence, spreading the work like back in the old days before TV became a tool of distraction.

            I would ask Denniso how HE explains ISRAEL and the USS LIBERTY when LBJ was President in 1967… Let’s see the smarta$$ answer on that score.. because the TRUTH IS, it don’t mean a hill o’ beans to invest ‘any’ energy in the Leftist/Rightwing nonsense – The Money Masters could care less. Denniso doesn’t have $25-billion, so he’s like the rest of who get on here… He’s everyone else, no matter what he does.

            It’s like this – The Bilderbergers call “everyone else” .. the UN-WASHED.

            Take a bath, will ya, Denniso….Lot of good it’ll do ya!

      • Bob L.

        My goodness hflashman, have you verified which party had control of the congress at those times? Hint: It wasn’t the republicans. It had very strong roots in prez Clintos’ reign. But there are extenuating circumstances. Monica took a lot of wooing.

      • James

        Hflashman, I’m confused, is the ‘annointed’ one President Obama or President Bush?

        • eddie47d

          Bush!

          • Anna

            Your wrong, it was Obama that he was refering to not Bush.

          • Bruce

            eddie47 How really slow are you?
            There is no differance between GWB, and Barry Soetoro, other than Barry’s objectives have gone by with the total approval of the Press who are owned by the NWO and print what they are TOLD to print, you really can’t be that stupid can you?

            There is no differance between any of the following Presidents they do as they are told by the same masters that being BBG, CFR, and world bankers also known as the Rothschilds.
            These would include the following but not limmited too the following, Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Regan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Barry Soetoro. Its not about Democrat & Rebublican for God sake wake up you lacking gray matter flat headed buffoon.
            If you were even a slight bit as smart as you think you are you would be asking why Barry Soetoro is even the president, after all he has {16 Social Security} numbers, there is no record of a legal name change in the US Court system just these two factors alone make everything you post make you look like a total idiot.

            Can you grasp the concept of the crap you prech within the confines of your post daily, or are you part of the problem?
            As in they that control it all, the One World Government / New World Order freaks.

          • kate8

            Bruce, you waste your time and good sense on eddie and those in his camp. They are so thorougly brainwashed (true believers), that you can place any amount of facts in evidence before them and they will refuse to see it.

            It’s the same thing that happens in various religious organizations and cults (well, I guess liberalism is a cult), the very groups they hold in such disdain. They accept the dogma without question, do not look outside their box (for fear of having their world shaken), and will fight to the death anyone who tries to pull back the curtain.

            This is how the NWO has risen. Without these sheep (goats?), they would not have a chance of conquering a free people.

          • kate8

            Bruce, It’s the same as Stockholm’s sydrome.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Duh, my name is eddie and I live in the corner of a round cardboard box and wear paper shoes. My name is eddie and I live in the corner of a round carboard box and wear paper shoes.

          • Denniso

            New World Order? You people who believe in that also must believe in
            space aliens conducting experiments on a few,select Americans. You really ought to get out more and experience the real world…the original meaning of ‘new world order’ was a new global relationship between the East and the West,after the USSR collapsed, coined by papa Bush. There was and is no nefarious plot under that term. Bruce and others are paranoid and delusional,apparently.

            And, why do Bruce and Kate and Beb have to demean someone who they disagree with? Democrats and Repubs are basically different in political views,yet do share some of the same aspects of the power structure,naturally. That doesn’t mean they are in league w/ each other against the people…silly.

      • Bob

        Spell check, how about grammar check, “god” is a capitalized word.

        Also, how about an art lesson or two while you are at it. You seem to have just one stroke while painting, a broad brush.

        Oh, last item, stay off the Kool Aid, it can be hazardous to your health.

        • hflashman

          FYI…god is never capitalized unless referring to one’s own belief system with anothr sharing that belief system. Since there are many religions, I did not think it proper to refer only to my belief system. When someone says “God”, the proper response should be…’who’s god are you talking about? Mine or yours?”

          • NM

            Gee Wizz, you are wrong again. Why am I not surprized

          • Joyce from Loris

            I am sure God is proud of your fair weather religion, of being able to put your self on the “politically correct” list. A christian NEVER accepts any “god” over GOD, period.

          • libertytrain

            hflashman – no, you are not correct. Look it up.

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, that’s the whole point of his post…makes no difference right or wrong…spell check? Who cares…the point is to change the direction of the article and nothing else…taught by Alinsky and part of his “rules for radicals”…the time for argueing with liberals is over, they are what they are…we must ignore them and continue to move forward to insure their defeat in November and again in 2012.

          • libertytrain

            JeffH – as always, good point.

          • rwnut

            flashman… There is only ONE TRUE GOD,and there is none other above HIM,according to the WORD of GOD!

          • kate8

            JeffH, Amen to that. The ones posting here are paid hacks, anyway. I’m tired of them controlling the direction of the comments with their worn out tripe.

            Onward and upward.

          • Viktor Leben

            The gods are evil and crazy ! Look at all the bad things they do. Do you think the gods are stirring up all these liberals ? I’ve got a theory that the “gods” are corporeal (physical bodies) and walking around among us. The Christians use to call them “fallen angels”.

            I’ll go with the Christian God. The rest of the other gods we can do without !

            The gods ARE CRAZY !!!!!!!

          • Bud in San Antone

            Your belief system sounds pretty wimpy. Hey, grow a pair and stand for something.

          • Rhe

            There is only one “GOD”!!!!!!!!! So if your not praying to
            the one GOD why capitalize.

          • dan of arizona

            Is your God alluah obboma

          • http://yahoo.com Rose

            Just a simple thought here___ if one loves this USA, he better get his face out of his ass and I mean now….or we are lost…and GOD is the only one that will save your sorry ass ….

          • Denniso

            If there is only one god,then why did God supposedly say in one of the commandments,’have no other gods before me’?? The God of the old testament was one of many gods,that’s why. So, where did the others go, between the old testament and the new?

          • rwnut

            Dennoso…In one sentence you make Him Supreme(God),in the rest of the sentence you make Him inferior(gods)You cannot lump God, with gods. There are many gods in the world. Anything can be a god. There can only be one Almighty God.Those gods are still here doing battle with good.A spiritual battle between good and evil. God simply asks,which one will you serve?

          • Denniso

            For the most of man’s time on earth,a couple million yrs,he believed in multiple gods,as the Jews who wrote the old testament did…not gods like greed or lust,but supernatural gods who controlled nature and life. It made some sense because man was so primitive and lacking in real knowledge about life and the universe and they needed to ascribe to different deities the powers and forces they saw affecting their lives. Of course,as we progress in knowledge and science we discover that they were wrong…there are no gods. We now know how much of the world and universe actually work and have no need for gods or God as primitive man did,including the Jews and early Christians. The great irony is that as we have become more knowledgeable about science in the past few hundred yrs,we see the ‘true believers’ refusing to follow knowledge and become even more stuck in the ancient beliefs and myths and hold to the increasingly apparent foolishness of man’s dark and ignorant past.

            Early Man had a need for Gods, and then God, to explain the mysteries and fears of life and the world…that time has passed and we all now have the capacity to understand the world so we don’t have to live in fear and darkness.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Denniso, you are gravely mistaken. The Jew that wrote the old Testament, did not believe in different gods. They believed in one God, as the scriptures they wrote were breathed by God to them to write. The people they encounter worshiped many gods, and they even had branches of their own kind worship false gods. But the writers were all under one God, who breathed the scriptures through them. And it goes to show you how dumb us humans are, you and I alike, that the wisest man in the world, Solomon, disobeyed God and kept some of the foreign women for himself, when he was ordered to kill everyone, man woman and child of these heathen nations they conquered, but he kept some of the women, and allowed them to keep their idols and false gods, and it ended up costing him everything. This is where the muslim and other false religions spawned from, because the wisest man in the world didnt listen. This is how fallen we are as men and women.

          • Denniso

            So, if Solomon had done the bidding of God and slaughtered all the ‘foreign’ women then we would only have one true religion? Let me guess…Christianity? Beb, that’s a little simplistic and not very Jesus like as to loving your enemies. Jesus,after all, doesn’t like killing. The old testament is filled w/ murder and slaughter and incest and rape…it bears no resemblance to the words of Jesus. The two are utterly incompatible and the Old should not be taken as a part of ‘Christianity’.

            When I was a young Christian and trying to figure out why most religions denounced the others and claimed to be the only ‘true’ religion, I finally realized that if they were all saying the others are wrong,then it was likely that ALL of them are wrong.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Yes denniso, that is correct. And when Jesus Christ comes again to judge the living and the dead, all those with Him are with Him, and all those against Him, will be thrown into the lake of fire forever. That includes your Buddhists, your Muslims and any other religion that does not recognize Jesus Christ as God in the flesh. The One who came down from heaven, made Himself into the flesh, and suffered a horrendous death to atone for OUR sins, and rose again the third day in fulfillment of the scriptures. Yes, I mean exactly that. In the end thats all there will be, is Christians. You got it right.

          • Denniso

            That’s quite the compassionate view of the teachings of Jesus you have. I’m afraid you are holding on to the religion of the old testament,which is NOT Christianity,and ignoring the lessons that Jesus taught…love,compassion,non violence,all sorely missing from the old testament. Jesus never said that if people didn’t follow him specifically that they were condemned to hell,which is a fiction anyway. Millions of atheists,Budhists,Hindus,Muslims and pagans live good, helping lives and are not condemned to anything like Hell.

            You haven’t figured out that Heaven and Hell are what we encounter here on earth? There is no other worldly place for ‘souls’ to go. We make and are part of those places right here,every day. The rest is a myth for children.

      • Dogma-Free

        Thank gawd that Bush is gone, indeed. The world was tired of his lies, fear-mongering, and trumped-up wars. The free-thinking people of America were tired of his assault on their personal rights and freedoms, under the guise that he was ‘keeping America safe’. What a crock of absolute horse sh*t. The thousands of American lives, and the unknown number (tens of thousands) of innocent Iraqi lives lost during his tainted regime, obviously meant nothing to the money-minded Bush administration.
        Have shame, America…because you allowed Bush and Cheney to set a precedent, as the most crooked presidency EVER…and so now, and problems you face with Obama…well, you really only have yourselves to blame.

        Fools.

        • independant thinker

          I agree I am glad Bush is gone but I will be even MORE glad when Obama is gone

        • Ron

          Nice try Dogma-Free. Are you writing from planet Obeyme?

          • Ron

            Bush was the worst president ever!

          • Bob K

            Bush was bad but controlled by the Dems. Their financial control has nearly destroyed our country and now the Dems hired Obama to finish the job, He pasified the dems with a small token tax refund of $250 and theyb buy it as something actually meaningful. Im sure they were able to go and buy a week or so’s worth of groceries eah, what a big deal and the DEms buy it. You guys are a joke. Obamas methods of helping America have failed terribly the only areas he claims to have helped are the things that are not proveable and you guys buy it.Throwing money at the stimulus bill has failed, Home forclosures are breaking records wit Obamas fix. The dems are telling their followers that the economy is improving and theyve saved millions of jobs. Hes helped the job market so much that he has created a welfare state giving millions of potential workers enough money to make you dependant on Govt.to carry them thru the hard times. Wouldnt you rather have a job that makes you independant. Thank Obama for all the new jobs he created. The health care bill is on a path to Bankrupting the U.S. The Dems are spending money like theyre under the influence of drugs. Throwing good money after bad is their only answer to fixing things. Anyone with brains can see that its not working. They continue to blame Bush even tho the Dems controlled both the house and the senate during Bush’s admin. And now they are in control again and do not listen to Americans our country is going broke and Obama is breaking a new record of adding in his short stay 1.75 trillion to our out of control deficit. Its time everyone should say “NO” not just Republicans

          • Bud in San Antone

            Maybe Bush was the worst, until now.

          • Denniso

            “Bush was bad,but controlled by the Dems”???? Are you looney? Bush ignored and trampled the Dems most of his time in office,just as he ignored the American public. You are really a joke if you believe that the Dems controlled Shrub…Cheny did to a large degree though.

        • KASI (AMERICAN)

          DOG-MA FREE bushes biggest problem was he spent way too much money,but look at obama he spent more in his first three months than all other presidents behind him (combined)now you cant use that card,obama promised immediate withdrawl from the war,what did he do,relocated the troops now you cant use that card either,FEAR MONGERING what did obama say about the stimulus bill,if you dont pass it now all hell will break loose,now you cant use that card either,now please do all of ours and your children a favor if you have any or plan to have some, please look through the crap they are pulling get back down to basics read about our founders and what they intended for our great nation its all there in the founding documents just three documents read em unlike most of the senate and congress i would assume because of how they have been voting these bills in

        • Viktor Leben

          Did Bush have to sell his soul to the gods ? Powers and Principalities ……. Did Obama sell his soul to the gods ?

          Maybe some god (fallen angel) shows up at the NSA dressed in a suit with a briefcase. He’s probably over 7 feet tall. SHows up for work and makes sure all the signed contracts are enforced, gives evil advice to everyone ……. Keeps everybody who sold his soul in order …….

          Hey Dogma-Free, reality sucks sometimes ?

          • kate8

            Viktor, They have to have sold their souls to get to the top. Only those owned by the “gods” get to even run for high office.

            They have it set up that way. Choice is an illusion.

        • dan of arizona

          Tell me if you didnt vote for bush who did you vote for the cigar usurper?

        • bp

          Dogma-Free? Not! This “regime” with a lap-dog legislative branch and media, had almost two years to transition in! Get over Bush, already! You liberal kool-aid drinkers sound like cantankerous children!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Yeah right, and I know you were one of those knuckleheads that was claiming it was Bush/Cheney war for oil too. Only, gee, they didnt go after any oil. And you seem to forget, conveniently as it seems, that every stinking democrat voted to go to war, and every leading democrat from Slick Willy on down, stood there inside of my TV, and shouted from the mountain top that Saddam Hussein was dangerous and had weapons of mass destruction and had to be stopped. And this was all before Bush was even a candidate for president. So eat your little lies. The democrats, who were by the way, correct in doing so, got things started as to going after this guy. They just didnt have the guts or know how to do it. It took a man with a pair to get it done. And he didnt waver with whatever way the wind blew popularity. No sir. He said what he was going to do, and by God he came in and did exactly what he said. I have a deep respect for a man that does what he says. I dont condone his uncontrolled spending, but I totally condone is going after those who have continually bombed us again and again and again. Or he could have done like Clinton, nothing, except to grab another intern and another cigar, and well, you know the drill. Thats all the guy cared about. He let them slap us and slap us, then kick us and kick us, and made us a laughing stock of the world. Bush brought back some American pride in us, and made us strong and kept us safe, and I know we really needed that, and am appreciative for it. Now this new wanker in office, well, he is again making us a laughing stock. He hasnt a clue what to do, and neither do those in the back room pulling the strings to animate him. Its a sad commentary, that luckily for us all, will come to an abrupt end i 2010, and should be rendered harmless by the end of 2010 when they are kicked out of a bunch of their seats.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          He didnt lie, he didnt fear monger, and he definately didnt create no false war. Congress voted for the war. Democrats pitched for actions against Saddam before Bush was even a candidate. I viewed Bill Clinton on TV while he was still president, saying how Saddam Hussein was dangerous and had WMD’S and had to be stopped. So quit your blaming Bush for everything you dont like. So you dont like war, good. Either do I. But I dont like these guys blowing up the USS Cole, and the World Trade Centers, and the World Trade Center basement the first time. I dont like them dragging our dead soldiers naked through the streets of Somalia beating their dead bodies. I mean, how many times do you propose to let these terrorist idiots strike us, before you decide to do something about it? Do you think for one minute being a pacifist appeaser is going to make them stop? Hell no. You stop them by force, and you acheive peace by force. That is the only way its ever been achieved, by force. I myself, recognize this enemy, and I recognize they will not stop until with either anihilate them, or they end it for us and Israel. Thats how it is. They will not stop until we are all dead and Israel is no more, or we make them be no more. Dont you understand that? As long as one of us hasnt committed to being a muslim, they wont stop killing. And even if that happened, which it never will because God wont tolerate that, they would still kill, as they kill themselves constantly and have since the beginning. These terrorist run around in the darkness and have no God to guide them. They say they do, and talk a good game, but it is written, that if you dont have the Son, who is Jesus Christ, that you dont have the Father. They dont have Jesus Christ, so their prayers are not reaching anyone. They say be like us or we will kill you. They think God rewards them for blowing up a school bus full of innocent kids. They think God rewards them for blowing up a mall with families inside that have done nothing wrong to anyone. Thats what kind of sick individuals you are dealing with here. And now we have an administration that wants to protect them, and give them lawyers, and let them roam freely about this country. Its sick, and its time for these evil no doers in Washington to vacate the premises. Thank God that 2010 elections will render this guy powerless, and that in 2012 we can have him removed. America has woken up for now, but sadly, we woke up after 9-11, and how sad it was that we went back to sleep so soon, and forgot, and turned right around and elected a muslim president, and have allowed him to screw up so many, many things. I just hope this wake up lasts a little longer than the last one. How could we have forgotten so quick. How could we?

      • NM

        The RICH work hard for thier money and they pay the lions share of the taxes. Why should they not keep what they work hard for!!! What is wrong with you DUMBOCRATS that you think you should be able to sit around and have a dozen babies by a dozen daddies and get paid for it!!! Why in the world do you think you should be able to sit and drink and watch tv and get paid for it. Get an education, get a job and start your own business and you will suddenly change your mind about wanting to keep what you make. Grow up and get a life that some one else does not have to pay for.

        • JEM

          God points, but let’s add another – WHO PAYS THE WAGES? Surely not the poor man!!

        • Tuner

          Some of you people still don’t get it do you? They are almost ALL crooks, Democrats and Republicans. When will you realize that neither party has done much for the working people in a long time. What Bush did to this Country is inexcusable and what Obama’s doing is no better. Obamacare is just going to be another tax and the government will be in control of our health care. Don’t that make you feel warm and fuzzy? After all look what they’ve done for our schools and everything else they’ve got hands on. It’s time for a “CHANGE” in the way you think, or nothing will ever CHANGE. We need to get new in and corrupt out. Do some research and vote for the one with the best track record and policies, stop letting what party they are make your decision.

          • TeresaE

            Thank you.

            There are so few of us that can really open our eyes.

            BOTH sides have done this, the SAME machine that backed Bush, backed Obama and as long as we continue to point fingers and name call NOTHING will change.

            BOTH sides have screwed my children and I get tired (oh so tired) of watching BOTH sides crow about how great they are and how evil the other side is.

          • Bob from Socal

            We need to get rid of all politicians that are not constitutional conservatives. We need to make sure that whoever is in office and whomever we vote for, are not beholden to the New World Order elite. They have been pulling the strings of our politicians for far to long now. The elites do not have our best interest in mind, and want to abolish our Constitution. What we need now in government is absolute light and transparency, not the darkness that permeates the halls of the governing bodies at this time. Be vigilent and watch your representatives like a hawk. Anyone that is not righteous needs to be voted out as soon as possible.
            Watch your backs and keep your powder dry.

            Bob

          • kate8

            Humanity always follows the same patterns. Governments always devolve into corruption. Such is the cycles of life: birth, growth, peak, decline, decay, death. The same mistakes are repeated over and over, civilization after civilization. There is nothing new under the sun.

            All of manifest existence is this way. It’s the nature of how things are. Something new rises out of the ashes of the old.

            I don’t believe it is possible for humanity to sustain anything worthy. Not without help from the Divine.

          • vicki

            When choosing constitutional conservatives we should give them extra points if they read the bills. Later I will ask for them to understand what they have read :)

          • Viktor Leben

            We show our love for the Christian God by reading His Words. When the Logos became flesh and was among us we could have asked for his guidance. God has given us His Word to guide our paths today. Why don’t people read the BIBLE ?

          • capt z

            When will you people wake up? Satanists from Altair 4 have taken over our government and are now actively planning the destruction of Earth, just like they ruined Altair 3! I know because I was there! All you blithering fools are just playing into their hands. BP already is run by these aliens and who knows what companies they’ll take over next! Chip Wood is, BTW, a long standing Altairian apologist and was replaced by a robotic clone years ago.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            to capt.z. Remember one thing though, these satanists you refer to, they will never be in control. God is in total control, and the battle has allready been won when Jesus took the nails. It may appear the devil is winning, but like hollywood, its just an illusion. It will all pass, and one day we will have total peace here on the new Earth, as all that will be here are Christians. All the false religions will be destroyed. And when its all Christians, there will be no more pain, no crime, no greed, no violence. That is the new world that Jesus will bring when that fine day comes. So dont worry about what these satanists are doing, their days are numbered.

      • DaveH

        You finally uttered a phrase, Flasher, which was right, albeit accidentally:
        “so his pals could get richer”.
        That is exactly what government is all about, enriching themselves and their pals. While you are wasting your time trying to drag down the rich, Obama is jetting around the world, partying on other peoples’ money. What has he done to earn that largess? Absolutely nothing. In fact he is negatively productive. He is stepping on the folks who do produce the real wealth of this country. I’m not talking about the funny money that is produced by the Federal Reserve. I’m talking about the goods and services that are produced by the real workers in this country. The ones who have to pay for all the Government waste.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Not only that, but Michelle is setting all kinds of records for spending money by a first lady. I think in 2 years she has spent much more than the previous first lady amassed in 8 years. But you dont hear the press talking about that now do you? I guarantee you if it were the other way around, that is all you would hear from them. So sad when our national media buries the truth to protect their own left wing liberals.

      • Allan

        Since you specialize in bringing Bush up when he isn’t the topic, I must point out your post would be so true if it wasn’t so false. We all know the history of the 2004 election, the rampant voter fraud by Democratic operatives and Acorn, and Democrats denial of recount results. Corruption? Any Democratic strategist will tell you the Obama administration is the most corrupt and incompetent in history, not to mention growing racial tension and record deficit spending. As far as the rich getting richer, your envy is showing. And since you mentioned God, I refer you to the tenth commandment, which basically says you shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor. As for financially troubled states, Bush didn’t invent unfunded mandates. States made their beds via many years of overspending on liberal causes and public sector entitlements. The difference in overspending between Republicans and Democrats is that Republicans know it’s wrong, and Democrats think it’s right. If you want to blame the weather on Bush, or the luck of the Chicago Cubs, I can support that.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Bush may not have been perfect, and he may not have made all the right moves, but I applaud his efforts in keeping us safe. I applaud his efforts on getting the economy going after Clinton decimated it. I applaud his efforts on rebuilding our military and intelligence after Clinton decimated it. I applaud his efforts on not letting these terrorists continually punch us in the nose and run and come back and do it again and again and again like Clinton did. And I applaud him for loving his wife and family, and not violating them over and over like Clinton did. And I applaud him for going to war, this war that the democrats all voted to engage us in. These guys had to be stopped, and they still need stopped even more so. Yes, I did say the war the democrats voted for us to be engaged in, though to read the many left wing threads here, you would think that Bush just did it all by himself, which everyone knows a president can only do what congress allows. I chastize him for his spending, as he didnt reign in the controls as I expected him to do. But seeing what is happening to this country now, with the total lack of action, lack of planning, lack of a course of any kind to navigate on, I have to say, I sure do miss that guy now. Finally, when he has been gone enough years, just who will the dems point the finger at? Who is next on their blame list, since they just cant seem to hold themselves responsible for anything. Its always someone else’s fault with them. Just simply amazing.

      • Gary Wise

        I thought he wazs describing Obumer! Not Billions but Trillions of dollars wasted on no work, low down trash that will never understand that living off the government cost all of us to pay for him. Money does not grow on trees liberal wake up!

        • Joyce from Loris

          Gary, I’m with you! People do not realize that our tax dollars, for years, have gone to educate minorities. FREE EDUCATION!! Even foreign students get $20,000 in grants to go to college in this country! What do OUR children get? The opportunity to WORK for these well educated “minorities” in the future, because after taxes, we could not afford to send our own children to college. This has been the plan all along.

          • kate8

            Joyce, And look at the free education they get. They’re taught to hate America and to support the progressive agenda. They are taught not to ask questions but to be good drones in the coming mind-controlled society.

            One thing they do not get is a good education, which would include how to form their own thoughts and ideas, and basic academics.

          • DaveH

            So true, Kate.

      • John

        I’ll thank God even more when obama is gone.

        God Bless America.

        • Anna

          Good for you John,

          GOD BLESS AMERICA

          There is only one GOD.

          • hflashman

            Which one are you referring to? Mine? Yours? The guy’s across the street? Hindu, Muslim? Shinto? Methodist? Catholic? Or are you suggesting we have no religious freedom here and you’d prefer they all be persecuted unless they follow yours?

          • rwnut

            flashman…Anything can be a religion.(Those you mentioned are examples) I’m refering to Jesus Christ.(The Son of God in the flesh) He said you cannot know God,except by FAITH in Jesus,through the Holy Spirit,=The Trinity.You must be born again BY FAITH.It’s not the Christian’s duty to PROVE GOD.GOD is not a religion.Nor,(He said)will He be mocked! Religion just won’t cut it!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            This is a wake up call to hflashman. God. There is only one God, the Lord Jesus Christ. Who was, Who is, and Who is to come. The One who was there in the beginning. The One who came to earth as a human, suffered immensely and was hung on the cross. The One who rose again on the third day, to fulfill a 2000 year old scripture. And I might add, the one that you and I and everyone will get our chance to bow down in front of and give an account of ourselves to. That is God. The only One who lives. All others are dead and buried in the ground, and you can dig their bones up. But not this One. He is alive, and you and I and all will get to see Him. So now you know, and you dont have to ask which One again.

      • marvin

        hflashman, here is a news flash 2008 odumbo is pres now, bush has gone back to texas year 2010 date friday 23,not 2007 your great one the king of bling,one and a half trillion cha ching in 18 months,the suiltan of sling,i won set down and shut up so i can put my foot on your neck and kick your ass,odufus has alot of talents but telling the truth an,t one,must be hard to walk with one foot on neck one in ass and both in mouth,now repeat after me obama is president now not bush,

      • Colleen Smith

        You want it to be true that Bush caused the economy crash. It was the housing crises. It was caused by bleeding heart democrats for a couple of decades. When the TARP BILL went through in 09, Obama voted FOR it. Bush signed it into law after a democratic congress put it through. They are all guilty, and Obama is not in the least of the guilty. Wake up and realize we are facing a crises of treason, not just one party but heavy on the democrats and their racism too.

        • vicki

          that would be ’08 not ’09

      • rwnut

        flashman….Leave it to a loonie leftie who can’t spell to tell someone else to get spell check.”niether”? Go watch Glen Beck and learn something!

      • Drizzt

        hflashman you are correct. Bush did most of those things and Gore did win the popular vote in 2000. We did elect Obama, who campaigned as a moderate. Now he’s a flaming progressive radical trying to destroy our country and subvert our Constitution. Bush was a progressive too but Obama is a traitor to the Constitution and an embarrassment to the United States along with most of congress. They are all just filling their pockets at the expense of the People and trying to create a socialist country out of the Representative Republic the Founder gave us. And up to this point the people of our great nation have been asleep, content to let the greedy politicians rob us blind. Bush and Obama are the same, Obama is bolder, more overt and arrogant. He knows he will be a one term president so he’s going to cram though as much of his progressive, subversive, socialist agenda as he can in his 4 short years. He is evil… They are all evil… Lets hope the People are waking up…

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Bush and Obama are not the same. They are as different as day and night. Are you kidding me. One believes in Jesus Christ. The other believes in blowing up innocents to appease his god allah. The one believes in keeping the United States safe from terrorist attacks. The other believes in giving these caught terrorists lawyers to defend themselves. He also believes in releasing them and setting them free to come attempt to kill us again. The one believes in a military strategy and a plan and course of action. The other one gets off of that course, and hasnt a clue what to do next. Both are bad on spending, but one outspends the other in 18 months what the other took 8 years to spend. One believes in cutting taxes to stimulated the economy, so that business’s can keep more of their money and give new and more people jobs. The other believes in taxing the living hell out of business and those with money, and printing money around the clock, then giving billions to business’s he chooses, and expand welfare, unemployment and food stamps so those sucking off of society can continue to do so. No, they are not the same. Take a look.

      • Dennis G

        Hey hflashman you need to get your facts straight regarding the 2000 election. Gore did not lose the election in Florida because of the Supreme Court. Check the results of the electoal college. Gore, a former senator from Tennessee, lost the election because he did not WIN his own state. If he would have won TN he would have been President. Can you tell me how many people were elected President that did not even Win their OWN state? Look it up in a real history not not in some revisionist bunk. As to the threats of violence you apparently overlooked the Democrats antics. Who had more attorneys in FL? Who only wanted to count selected precincts? Who worked against counting absentee ballots from our military personnel serving overseas? The REAL threats in 2000 were threats against the Constitution by Gore and his cronies. Get an education!!!

        • Drizzt

          Dennis,
          Well said. And where is the violence coming from now? It sure isn’t the Tea Party. Where is the racism coming from now? It sure isn’t the Tea Party or even the Republicans, progressive as they are, it’s the liberal progressive democrats.

        • Bud in San Antone

          Dennis: Please don’t confuse liberals with the facts. That’s beyond thier relm of reason. Oh, by the way they can’t reason very well either.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Check the facts, and just the facts. Again, under Bush, the unemployment rate was at an all time low. Unemployment was at an all time high. The stock market was at an all time high. Even at his economy’s lowest point, it was higher that your hero Bill Clinton’s highest point. The economy went in the tank the last year of his admin, because every business in the country knew McCain wasnt going to win the election, and that the tax monster democrats were coming to town, so they tightened down, stopped production, cut workers, and saved cash to pay the incoming tax monsters. And thats a fact, and you cannot change history. I dont like war, but it was either go and kick their butt, or pull a slick willy and sit back and do nothing while they keep punching us in the nose. And by the way, all your left wing heros, from Bill & Hillery, to John Kerry, Howard Dean, Joe Biden and all of them, stood there on my TV, and yelled at America how Saddam Hussein had WMD’s and was dangerous and had to be stopped. And this was before Bush was ever a candidate for president. You might want to check that out. Then they all voted to do this war, then conveniently distanced themselves from it, when the national news media told everyone that this war was unpopular. Yet most people I talk too, know we had to go there, lest we have another Hitler on our hands. Had we sat back and did nothing, ala Billy Boy, by now Saddam Hussein would own every oil well in the middle east, and we would be in real trouble. But you on the left cannot see that far, can you. The real problem lies in the here and now, and your boy is a dismal failure. This community organizer has shown over and over that he has no plan, no idea of what to do, and no course of action, and that goes for the whole democratic party. All they have to offer is excuses and finger pointing. I remember when Bush took over a terrible economy which Clinton put in the tank for 2 whole years before Bush came along. His admin didnt stand on their soapbox in the public square, and point fingers and make excuses. No, they rolled up their sleeves and went to work, and made us prosperous again. But all your guy has done, and still does, is point the finger and place blame. Its been almost 2 years since Bush has left. After Bush’s first 2 years, he took the recession Clinton left, and turned it around and had the economy flowing great. Whats obama’s excuse? His pointing the finger like a little girl and placing blame is as old and worn out at the race card. It no longer applies. Get to work and be a part of the solution. Are you not the damn leader? Quit making excuses and do something. But the democrats cant, because they never bothered to make a plan, or bring forth any ideas. They just stood their pointing fingers yelling change, change, change, and the dumb uneducated voters fell into their trap. Its over in 2012. America woke up. Now you need to quit pointing the fingers at Bush/Cheney/Halliburton, and get to work yourself flasher, and become part of the solution, and quit being a whiner part of the problem.

      • KASI (AMERICAN)

        hflashman,if you had half the knowledge you think you have you would know that the economy came crumbling down thanks to fannie and freddie being unchecked which bush and cheney fought to reform. barney frank and chris dodd (both liberal,not democrat,like san fran nancy pelosi libbs) were both captains of this ship and they ran into the iceburg on purpose and obama is destroying the life rafts all in the name of control.so whose greedy,the people who want to keep what they earn or the people who take what they have not earned.besides,yea the rich got richer WELL THE RICH EMPLOY US YOU F-ING RETARD WHAT IS IT, YOU DUMB LIBS DONT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT,YOUR TO F-ING LAZY TO WORK FOR IT YOURSELVES SO,OH THEY SHOULDNT HAVE IT EITHER. WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP.READ THE CONSTITUTION.BY THE WAY THE EIGHT YEARS OF BUSH,WE HAD THE LARGEST GROWING,FASTEST GROWING ECONOMY IN HISTORY JUST IN FRONT OF REAGAN. SORRY I KNOW FACTS CONFUSE YOU LIBBS.JUST OPEN YOUR FREAKIN EYES AND STOP LISTENING TO YOUR PROFESSORS AND BOBBY GIBBS.Oh for the people who dont know obama just signed the financial reform bill that barney and dodd just whipped up.everyone who voted for mr. marxist owe us an apology that is the only thing i think is owed to us not someoneelsed earing whether its 30k a year or 3 billion

      • http://davidhays1956@yahoo.com david h

        heres a FLASH for you MAN start saying your good byes to reid pelosi and obama and the rest of the losers now. because there gone come november.SORRY obama will have to wait untill 2012 then he will be gone to lol.cant wait to see what he does when the republicans are in charge of the senate and congress. lol he will love that i bet. he be lucky to past his stool then lol.SORRY FLASH but you will get over it one day MABEY.stool happens when you go against the american peoples wishes and do what you want to do like obama does.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Right on man. Their 15 minutes of fame is expiring real quick.

      • Rick

        LOL! All the Obama fans can so is point the finger at Bush just lik their God, Obama. Give it break! How about doing something for a “change”? What happened to all the campaign promises? All of the corrupt bunch of politicians in DC need to go. A change we can live with!

      • ONTIME

        Familiar with “Song of the South” the Disney version the Bre’r folk and Unca Remus and escpecially the Tar Baby….Well we have ourselves a Un-Credentialed “Tar baby” because trouble deservedly sticks to this guy like the oil spill sticks to the beach sand in the Gulf. He is going to have a very short term in office.

        Him and Holder are just like two juvenile arsonist, one carries the gas can, the other has the matches and whenever the law gets to close to them they light another fire somewhere’s else to keep you from seeing them corrupt another part of the Constitutional laws…zippity dooodaaah!

        • kate8

          ONTIME, Great analogy.

      • dmp says :

        hflashman :

        HERE YOU ARE AGAIN…DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE? YOU ARE A TRAITOR, AN ANTI-PATRIOTICS, ANTI HERO AND A OBAMATIC SLAVE AND AN INTRUDER IN A CONSERVATIVE WEBSITE. YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE IF YOU INSULT THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE. IF YOU DON’T LEAVE, WE’LL FLASH YOU OUT TO THE DRAIN WITH YOUR MASTER OF DECEIT AND A MAGICIAN WITH TONGUE MADE OF POISONOUS IDEAS THAT CUTS THROUGH THE HEARTS OF THE REAL AMERICAN CITIZENS. YOUR MASTER OBAMA IS AN ILLEGAL FROM KENYA WHO TRICKED AMERICAN ON BELEIVING HE WAS BORN HERE. BUT AMERICA CAN NOT WAIT UNTIL ALL THE OBAMTICS IN CONGRESS WILL BE ALL PLOWING THE FIELDS OF KENYA ONCE AGAIN..YOU HAVE NO SHAME TO COME HERE AND LIE IN FRONT OF THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVES. GOODBYE, I MEAN ” BADBYE” TO YOU.

      • Jim

        You know, I hear so much of “thank god Bush is gone” but no one can tell me what he did so bad. Oh, I know, he started a war to protect us. How could he do such a thing.
        Gee, maybe he should have put our country in the biggest defict hole we’ve ever been in then people would have thought he was great. Or perhaps if he had told you how much you could make that would have been better. Of course if only he appointed a judge that lied and changed reports that the AMA had put out to protect a doctor that rips the head off a baby that was half born he would have been considered a hero in your eyes.
        If you feel that communism is the best government you have your right. I would strongly suggest you catch a flight to China and see how the real people live not the facade that the government tries to put on. Have you ever been to a communist country? Try sometime. Been there, done that, I don’t want the t-shirt!!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I keep hearing that from liberals also. Yet when I confront them and ask what he did, they can only quote things you hear on CNN and MSNBC and other liberal media outlets. You ask them to explain, and they havent a clue. They just repeat the mantra that they heard somewhere. They havent a clue. Most have no idea that democrats from slick Willy on down were saying Saddam was a madman with WMD’s and had to be stopped, before Bush was even a candidate for president. You tell them that and they say they never heard that, and that they will check into it. Right, like that is going to happen. Then you tell them how all the top ranking democrats were right there, all saying the same thing, on the radio and live on TV, and that they all voted for the war, and they act like Im making it up. They are just uneducated towards politics, and they just react to what ever the newspapers or national news media projects to them. Maybe if we can just get them off ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC, and get them to tune into FOX News for awhile, that the truth might reach them, and then they can see the ills of their ways. Just a thought.

      • ITALLMATTERS

        Flashman, you have got to use spell check. God should have a capitol G. So quit trying to be so almighty yourself. Things did get a little bad while Bush was president but, nothing in comparison to What Obama is trying to do. He is trying to break this country financially as he is following what the Weathermen of the 60`s had instilled in the Weatherman manifesto. He has a corruption of `60`s radicals and communist all around him. People who say that “power comes from the barrel of a gun” a quote from chairman Mao Se Tung.Czars(41 who don`t answer to anyone but him) who quote from communist such as Mao, Castro, Stalin. They want what communist and socialist want for our country. He has taken a small twig fire that Bush had going and tunred it into a national wildfire as in every county and every state and this country is on fire. Bush had done no wrong in comparison to what this idiot is doing to our country. To say Bush is the reason for all of our woes is to say Hitler had nothing to do with the mass genocide. Stop putting Bush as the reason this president`s massive spending and acknowledge that this president is creating ways to take over our economy and thus take over our rights. It`s time to realize what this guy is up to. He is not working for the American people but, is trying to form a world Govt. and throw America to the wolves. You are going to see it whether you want to or not. If he is allowed to have a 2nd. term he will he will devour the world just as Hitler attemped but, he waill prevail at this. He keeps saying we have created jobs when the only jobs created have been Govt. jobs and most of them are Temporary. We have 3 million job losses in 2010. As compared to Bushs` 1 mil. at the end of his presidency. Look into what this president has actually done by creating a healthcare or a financial reform. Read the bills. You will find many takeovers inside those bill that the congress Democrats refused to read and Pelosi said we had to vote on before we could read. Why, because there are hidden agendas in them. We weren`t allow to read them and as some politicians said; it takes a lawyer to decipher. He won`t even enforce our borders. Yes, Bush didn`t either but, this guy actually won`t whan asked to. Instead he sues the state who tries to stop the illegal entry and crimes inundating their state. By the way the Democrats controlled the house and they were the ones who were the nay sayers as Obama is saying the minority in the house is now the party of No. Bush couldn`t get bin Laden because of the Dems. STOP Blaming BUSH.

      • ldot

        Why do those who continue to blame Bush for the economy, job, deficit woes conveniently forget that the Dems were running Congress for the last two of the Bush years. He did pass TARP and started the bail-outs, that shouldn’t but the then Senator obama voted for all the bills passed that contribute to the decline.

        It’s such an inconvenient truth.

        Throw the corrupt bums out in November and let’s take our country back!

      • brigid feydo

        More people had JOBS under Bush. He might have been the greatest but OBama well I can’t express all that he has done to our great nation. His regulations has caused our insurance to quaduble. We have to buy into an org. we don’t need, but ranchers want to protect themselves, to the tune of $700 a yr. Now I read if the tax cuts are left to expire none of these will be tax deductions. He is smothering small business. I pray for the day he is impeached! And if they try the lame-duck session that is being talked about, their won’t be a dem left. They will all lose their seats!

    • Bob Wire

      Well he sure took Mc Cain candy and made him cry!

      • DaveH

        One lying Liberal upstaged another lying Liberal.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Bla, bla, bla, bla, bla.

    • William

      AMEN SC,

    • perry

      Elvis is dead.
      forget it.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Then how did he, JFK, and Jimmy Hoffa all vote for Obama this last election. Hey, something fishy is going on here.

    • WarriorH

      This is “The Change” I can Believe In!

      • Bud in San Antone

        What Oblama ment to say was, we would hope we had some change left after the government got through with our paychecks. It’s our faults that we misunderstood.

    • BrotherPatriot

      Good LORD people…are you forgetting or just not aware?

      Bush/Obama and the previous presidents right down to Isenhower have been key players working for the same Agenda…and the same people, the Bilderberg Virus that is deeply imbedded into the body of Humanity.

      Chip is 100% correct that we shouldn’t be arguing with the Liberals, they really won’t change their minds. We need to just enlighten our fellow neighbors and ensure that they are aware of the truth. If they are concerned then they will absorb the information like a sponge. That’s the problem…the Agenda has so numbed the general public that they are totally entranced by the illusion of reality that has been spun for them. The mainstream media is a enormously powerful tool. Only independent news is allowing for the education of the masses that is occuring.

      Hrmmm…why has their been mention of a Kill Switch for the internet and censoring of it?

      DOWN with big government and a cheer to the idea of keeping Ron Paul while kicking pretty much all the rest of the incumbants out!

      Hey Chip & Bob…how about making a list of current Patriots who feel like we do…that are going to be running in November? That would help give steering for our course. Perhaps even another list to educate who in the seats need to NOT be voted for…the encumbants.

      Yol Bolsun, my brothers & sisters.

      • kate8

        BrotherPatriot, Excellent post.

        We waste so much precious time arguing with the liberals who are here only to distract and rile us. Instead, we need to be building our own foundation, our own plan, and attracting those who are ready to open their eyes.

        I really believe that truth will always prevail, eventually. We must get our own house in order, unite in truth and goodness. We need to take our anger and MOVE FORWARD. Righteous anger can be a good motivator.

        There are many on these threads who do great research to keep one another informed. To all of you, I say “thank you” for your contributions. We are all patriots.

  • DaveH

    Who pays for Obama to fly to Las Vegas and disrupt air traffic to stump for Reid?

    • bp

      DaveH: We do. This is a fundamental Democrats just do not grasp!!!! EVERYTHING they do is funded by WE THE PEOPLE! The government is an EXPENSE, it generates NADA, NOTHING, ZILCH.

    • Pathfinder

      Who pays for Obama’s travels ? WE DO. Our taxes pay for airforce one. Incumbants always have the advantage due to the power of their office.

      • Karolyn

        DUH! Who pays for every president’s travels Republican or Democrat? It just boggles my mind how you people are so hateful and hate-mongering. I feel sorry for you housing all that anger, together with all the people who were at that rally. I just find it curious that no one hears liberals making fun of conservatives. Usually, the one with the biggest mouth has the smallest…..mind.

        • hflashman

          Well said !

          • blamesomeoneelse

            oh, ok she was talking about hflashman has smallest mind, ha ha I get it!

        • DaveH

          You don’t find it a little disturbing that the president can use taxpayer money to fund his campaining, regardless of political party? Only democrats can hypocritically use that “hate” word regularly. Anybody, who doesn’t have their zealot blinders on, can see that the Liberals on this board are the hateful bunch.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Thats because they have no truth in them, and they dont recognize it when it is there. They feel they know what is best of all of us, and we should blindly follow and do as they say. The liberal leaders think like this, and their blind followers like flasher and eyes just do it because their leaders tell them to. They are the sheeple.

        • Linda

          And what planet are you living on? The liberals attack conservatives EVERY day. They just can’t handle it when the conservatives talk back.

          • DaveH

            Exactly, Linda. They are used to cowing the average citizen who doesn’t want to put up with their personal attacks.
            But, when their ideas are exposed to scrutiny, they don’t hold water.

          • Bob Wire

            Really! ~ What you do? walk in late?

        • Buster

          Very well said. Conservatives are THE biggest hypocrites.

          • DaveH

            Hardly, Buster. Name me some hypocrisy by the conservatives?
            I can name several examples from Liberals:
            They whine about the rich asking too much money for their products, but think nothing of taking money from others using the government as their enforcers.
            They accuse others of racism while working hard to institute laws that favor certain races of people over others.
            They accuse conservatives of being hateful, all the while shouting-down, name-calling, ridiculing, or otherwise personally attacking anybody who dares to question their flawed policies.
            They whine about the rich not paying their share of the income taxes, and give a free pass to the 50% of the population that pay no income taxes.
            They complain about not being able to get affordable healthcare insurance, and then use their bully Liberal government to force people, who know insurance is not a good investment, to buy that bad investment whether they like it or not.
            Liberals are immoral and disrespectful people who don’t have a clue about what makes a good economy even though history is littered with examples of failed Liberal policies.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Buster says, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, and nothing intelligent comes out.

          • kate8

            DaveH, Spot on!

            Socialism fails every time it’s tried. All you have to do is look at those who favor it to see why.

        • NM

          Are your ears dirty? Or are you just plain DEEF?

          • rwnut

            NM….You should get spell check.

          • rwnut

            NM…flashman can tell you where to get it.

        • Joyce from Loris

          What rock have you been living under?? Never hear liberals making fun of Conservatives?? Have you never turned the television on? Liberals called ALL conservatives who did NOT support Obama, and I quote “redneck, back wood hick racist”, unquote. Give me a break!!!

          • Karolyn

            I don’t hear those terms amongst the people I associate with. As far as “redneck” goes, many of the people here in SC that I know are proud to call themselves “redneck” and joke about it all the time. It’s like me calling myself a Polack, which I am. It just seems to me that liberals are more civilized. It reminds me of the girl putting a flower in a National Guardsman’s rifle during a peace demonstration in the 60s. I guess there are the same types in both camps, but conservatives are far more vociferous and hateful. That also goes for evangelical christians. What they don’t believe in or understand, they hate.

          • DaveH

            Karolyn,
            All you have to do is read these comments to see the disproportionate number of personal attacks by Liberals.
            Civilized? Hateful? Sure if you call it “civilized” to take the money of others with a smile on your face, and “hateful” if they get angry at you for taking their money.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And they are so scared of the Tea Party they are trying to do it to them, hiding behind the NAACP, which by its very name, is the most racist organization around. Any organization, that represents one set color of people, by its definition, is racist. And the things that come out of their mouths, oh my. If a white person said half the things that came out of that organizations speakers, they would have been fired 10 times over. Your only allowed to be racist if your a liberal. And thats the truth, and they cannot deny it. And by the way, its not right.

          • DaveH

            Too much truth, Beberoni. You are going to make their heads explode. Oh well.

          • rwnut

            Karolyn…Yeah,and the free lovin’liberal flower children gave society all the ass,grass,and syphillis it could handle. I assume,(since you don’t spell anything out)that you mean,since the Christian doesn’t beleive in,and God condemnes,homosexuality,therefore he’s hateful. You can’t win the argument so attack the messenger.(Christian)

        • libertytrain

          Karolyn – re: your comment – “I just find it curious that no one hears liberals making fun of conservatives. Usually, the one with the biggest mouth has the smallest…..mind.”
          You obviously don’t read these comments to see that the liberals do in fact continuously make fun of conservatives – selective reading perhaps -

          • DaveH

            No, Libertytrain, just blindered ignorance.

        • JeffH

          Karolyn, You’ve certainly proved that…

        • Joyce from Loris

          Karolyn, I too am from South Carolina and have no problem being called a redneck, EXCEPT when someone is using that term to put me down socially. It’s not about the people who you associate with, necessarily, but about the people who are on television, making comments for the world to hear. Yes, conservatives can be hateful, just as liberals can. But the difference right now is this… Conservatives are MAD AS HELL. The working class is being taxed to death on every dollar we MAKE. We are also being taxed to death on every dollar we SPEND. I work in the rain, the cold, the heat, the wind, only to turn my dollars over to the government. I stand in line with my little grocery list and coupons, praying I have enough money to buy groceries for my family, only to be INSULTED to watch a woman with FIVE children roll a buggy full of great food to the counter, and whip out her EBT food stamp card. And many time, that woman can not even speak ENGLISH. Those people aren’t tired, because those people have not worked all day. And they all have new shoes on! Don’t tell me there are not jobs, I travel twelve states a year, and I have YET to enter a town that has businesses that aren’t desperate to find employees. It’s not a republican thing or a democrat thing, it’s a WE ARE SICK AND TIRED of working like dogs so others can enjoy living a life better than us, without striking a lick at work.

          • http://YAHOO NLC

            AMEN TO THAT ONE. I HAVE WORKED HARD ALL MY LIFE. I AM TWO YEARS AWAY FROM RETIREMENT AND IS SCARES ME TO THINK ABOUT IT. WILL I BE ABLE TO RETIRE? MAYBE, BUT THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN. I HAVE PAID A LOT OF TAXES ON MY MEGAR SALARY OVER THE YEARS. YES, I TOO HAVE BEEN BEHIND ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAD FOOD COUPONS. IT IS SOMETHING, ONE HARDLY EVER GETS OVER, KNOWING THAT MY TAXES ARE PAYING FOR THEIR FOOD AND SHELTER. DON’T GET ME WRONG I DON’T MIND HELPING PEOPLE WHEN THEY ARE DOWN OR REALLY DISABLED OR HANDICAPPED. BUT, LET’S FACE IT, A LOT OF PEOPLE ON WELFARE ARE NEITHER OF THE ABOVE……..SO HERE’S WHAT I SUGGEST. PEOPLE! GET OUT A VOTE.VOTE.VOTE………….

          • KASI (AMERICAN)

            WELL SAID JOYCE FROM LORIS,i too have been in the same situation except it wasnt just shoes it was also a NEW BLACKBERRY PHONE,and in that cart were steaks and crab legs this african-american lady walked to her 09′ cadillac denali with 20″ rims.im not a racist its what i saw and when i see whites and mexicans doit i get just as furious.but dont get me wrong some people do need it and its the ones who are ashamed who really deserve to get it because i know its a very temporary bridge.

        • Dennis G

          Karolyn – are you living in a cave or deaf and blind? Liberals never make fun of conservatives- say what. Remember the bashing the LEFT spewed out at Sarah Palin!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Not only that, when the 200 reporters they sent to dig up dirt couldnt find any, they fabricated stories, and forced her to spend millions to defend herself against them, and they were given a free pass, when charges should have been brought against them. But the left wing liberal media is allowed to lie, cheat and steal, because they are the one’s who expose it to the people, and they will always cover for their left wing liberal buddies. One sick group.

          • Karolyn

            Well – She’s a nobody who came in on the coattails of McCain and knows how to manipulate people with her down-home, folksy rhetoric. Give me a break! Do you really believe her?

          • vicki

            Not exactly a “nobody” Just cause you and I had not heard of her before. Then again I had not heard of Obama before the primaries either. 2 key differences. She had both business and Government experience. He had community agitator and do nothing Senator experience. The other. She has a birth certificate. :)

          • rwnut

            Karolyn…Your jealousy is shining like a brand new penny!(Do I surmise that you just might HATE the woman?)Oh,the jealousy burns like a hot coal! PUT A FLOWER IN IT!

        • KASI (AMERICAN)

          yes karolyn lets all dance naked around a tree singing and drinking koolaid.im a conservative and the only HATE i ever hear is from liberals about conservatives or how “intolerant” we are,the intolerance we hold is against our natural born rights being stripped away little by little by the party your affiliated with.YES i said natural born rights not government given rights our founders had it right the first time but YOU GUYS ARE TRYING YOUR BEST TO REVERSE THAT……..

          • Karolyn

            Our natural born rights are that we are all equal and all entitled to live and enjoy life and not be thrown to the wolves because people like our Republican legislature in SC want to cut the budget. So they cut assistance to aids/hiv victims and keep the money for conservation. Like there’s not enough land open in SC!

          • KASI (AMERICAN)

            thats where we disagree we are not entitled to anything other than an opportunity, and how many of those aids/hiv victims are drug addicts or were not responsible when they were having sex.i dont know about you but i dont want to take food off from my familys table to go to some irresponsible person who couldnt protect themselves while having sex or doing drugs or whatever else let them pay for their own treatment.so you must love the fact that this new healthcare debacle is now funding some girls abortion with your money,are you really ok with that

          • KASI (AMERICAN)

            sounds to me like your not secure in your ability to take care of yourself,thrown to wolves,are you kidding me,this is the easiest a civilization has had it unless your just not willing to work,believe me i come from a long line perpetual abusers of the system i just got out because i had more respect for myself than that

          • Bud in San Antone

            Vicki: Conservatives should be all about truth. The term “BASTARD” should be thrown around regularly on capital hill. I bet no would be insulted or offended.

          • rwnut

            KASI(AMERICAN)….HOORAH,FELLOW PATRIOT!

          • kate8

            Karolyn, So your take on natural rights is that you are entitled to a share in the fruits of someone else’s labor? That if someone else has and you don’t, it is your right to take some?

            Natural rights means that you have the opportunity to live up to your potential. It does not mean that anyone else should be robbed in order to give to you.

            We used to have churches where you could go for help. Americans are very charitable by nature. Just because you feel “thrown to the wolves” does not entitle you to take what is not yours.

        • Rick

          And your point is? Let’s make them ALL stop!

        • Jim

          Excuse me, you never hear liberals make fun of conservatives? Hello, where have you been????

          • Jim

            How many years did we have to listen to the fact that Dan Quail spelled potato incorrectly. There wasn’t a night that went by that you wouldn’t hear something on TV about it. However Obummer says something about traveling to 57 states and everyone gets a little chuckle and the media doesn’t say one more word about it. Talk about hypocrites!!!!!!

          • kate8

            Don’t forget his talking about “corpsemen”, and the “corpse”.

            Sheesh.

      • JEM

        Shoot! He’s had more vacations in i8 months than I’ve had in almost 80 years – and spends more on each one than I made working!
        GOD help us!!

        • DaveH

          Isn’t it amazing how the green-eyed Liberals can attack the rich for living opulently with their own legally acquired money, but cast a blind-eye to those like Obama who are living opulently on other peoples’ money?

          • libertytrain

            DaveH – Yes, it blows my mind all the time.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Yeah, and its our money he is spending. And Im sure if an audit is done when they are finished after 2012, it will show that Michelle Obama spent more money than any 1st lady in history, and that the Obama admin spent more of our money than any presidential admin in history, by at least a 2 to 1 margin. But hey, it cant be reported, because that would make whoever reported it a racist, because your not allowed to tell the truth about them. What a crock.

          • dan of arizona

            as a mater of fact he’s spent more than all of the presidents combined have spent and thats a fact

      • JEM

        Whoa! Have you checked into Pelosi’s weekend jet flights? Who pass for that? WE THE PEOPLE do! And it seems to me, We’ve heard an awful lot from the so called liberals (liberal with other people’s money and freedom). How much are they willing to give away? Their bank accounts? Their homes? We could all be in the streets with B.O, Plenty’s help.

      • eddie47d

        bp also and even Dave, All Presidents campaign for their party. You all have select memories on allot of issues and think of yourselves as the Kings of truths! Far from it.

        • DaveH

          Right now, Eddie, it is Obama. No politician should be allowed to campaign with other peoples’ unwilling money. I have never said different.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            But eddie is a liberal. It doesnt matter what you said. To them what matters is what they want to twist it around to say. They know what we mean and what is best for all of us. If you dont believe me, just ask one.

        • JeffH

          fast eddie, continually demonstrate that you have the lack of knowledge, or background/factual information of a particular thing in general. However, the effect in which this person will be proceeding with his “unproven knowledge” imbedded in his mind as if factual information will, in turn, plan on using it in the future to make false and incorrect statements based on what he didn’t know about any particular thing, or may have heard from another liberal source.

          • dan of arizona

            Well said

    • Brad

      A simple we the people pay for Obamas trips the closure of airports and so on and so forth. Well said bp, governments don’t make anything they provide no services for which they get paid, our government only knows how to tax and spend us down the road.

      Watch out for a surprising tax increase, that’s right people all the Bush tax cuts are coming to an end and the democ “RATS” are going to let them expire. So, who is it going to hurt the most, the poor and lower middle class, call your state representatives and senators and tell them to push for the renewal of the Bush tax cuts, not unless you want to see this country bled dry.

      • hflashman

        Not extending the tax breaks given to the wealhty is not a tax increase, it’s the beginning of ending the unfairness and enrichment of the wealthy at our expense. It’s time we ended the two largest areas of the welfare sysytem…that to the wealthy, and that to the Big Corporate America.

        End those, we have a balanced budget in a few short years.

        • Brad

          Man you are so ate up with the lefts propaganda that you can’t see what’s happening right in front of your eye’s. When all the tax cuts expire both you and I to include corportate America will be the loosers, that’s right and who is it going to hurt the worst, the poor in this country. True we need to pay for those tax cuts, so what’s your answer make the rich pay more or corporate America pay more, well my friend it all comes down to what you and I believe in. You are for big and more taxes, I’m for smaller government and few taxes, cut spending and balance the federal budget, where we are spending one dollar for every dollar we take in as taxes.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Amen brother. The propaganda machine has that dude blinded big time. Im pretty sure a broke poor man has never given him a job. And he seems unaware that small business’s like the one I work for, with anywhere from 65 to 85 guys, are exactly rich, as the democrats like to demonize. Bush’s tax cuts allowed us to hire some 30 new guys. A year after Obama has screwed everything up, 10 of them are allready gone, and when the Obummer takes the tax cuts away, at least another 10 will have to go also, to have the cash reserves to pay these tax monsters. The democrats do this everytime. They demonize business, and present it as “big business”, when who they hurt is the small and medium business’s. They take big business like the oil companies and GM and Chrysler, and give them money. They use the propaganda through their media outlets that big oil and the republicans are in bed, when they take as much if not more money from big oil themselves. If I were big oil, Id pull the plug on them and not give them a cent. But like you said, its the left wing liberal propaganda that the uneducated get fooled by.

        • Brad

          Currently the rich pay over 40% of all taxes in this country. Business pay another 45% and we the middle class pay the other 5%, so watch out it’s about to change.

          • Brad

            Sorry the rich pay 50%

          • hflashman

            LOL…if you go with the published tax rates and apply that to income, those stats would be correct. Apply it after the writeoffs, dpeletion allowances, depreciation schedules, subsidies, tax credits and exemptions … it’s not even close to what sector has the tax burden. Hint: It’s not the higher incomes nor Big Corporate America. Leona Helmsley called paying taxes were for ‘the little people”. She was right then, she’d be right today…even more so. If you call Exxon getting a check instead of paying a check fair…we have a very wide difference of opinion. And it’s across the board , not just Exxon.

        • DaveH

          So, Flasher, you think it’s fair to take not only more dollars but a higher percentage of one’s income because they have made the necessary efforts to achieve higher incomes? Typical green-eyed Liberal.
          How would you like it, Liberal, if upon buying a car or some other appliance, you were asked to fill out an income statement, and then charged more money because you had a higher income?
          Instead of spewing your hatred toward the rich, maybe you could use all that brain-power you Liberals claim to possess to educate yourself, work long hours, and take the necessary risks to join their ranks.

          • DaveH

            Instead of using that brain power to conspire on the best methods to steal the money of others.
            Liberals: Immoral, Hateful thieves.

          • tetonmoon

            First Sharon Angle is poison to this country! Not that Reid is at all worth spit but please people beware! Those of the millions and millions who have lost work to no fault of their own are despised by this rich [offensive word removed] who would just as soon euthanize us then help us. Scary people run this country. People who give not a [offensive word removed] for their brother,those who claim to be Christian yet support going to war, against Christian doctrine, we will finish but shall not start. Those who want to end social programs which is all our tax money should be paying for, not send money in the tune of 79 billion to Pakistan for a Luxury Living Complex and new upscale hospital, to keep the peace and terrorist happy is the excuse as they denied meager 39 billion to hard working Americans and say that we are to spoiled and entitled. Yet not taxing or penalizing larger corporations for taking our jobs out of American, instead using our school money to entice slave labor jobs like Walmart to come rape and pillage our village. You people crack me up, talk about propaganda and false facts. The average multi-millionaire only pays apx 2 percent of their wealth each year in taxes and the average working American between 30k-60 pay over 10 percent of their so called wealth to taxes, the average millionaire especially those who are cash rich pay apx 2 percent and the mega rich is in the o.decimals. The average working American family needs almost 85 percent of its earned income to survive the average millionaire needs are dependent on ones desires and luxuries. If you are a cash poor millionaire and all assists than you need a larger amount of your annual income to support your life style if you are cash rich than well. blah blah. And I wont even go into the less than 2 percent a billionaire pays of his income for taxes. It is sick. We don’t need congress and senators who think that earning over 200K a year to sit on their asses and take obscene amount of 6 and 10 and whatever many days of recesses dozens of times a year and then get vested in five with full compensation of over 67K and full benefits to be in office. It is a public office, should be a 50K a yr job with proportionate pensions and benefits.UNTIL WE STOP NEEDING MILLIONS TO RUN FOR ANY OFFICE WHICH SERVES THE INTEREST OF THE AVERAGE AMERICAN AND NOT THE CORPORATE AND UBBER RICH THAN IT IS A BROKEN SYSTEM. And yes we need to pay for welfare and unemployment and all other social programs for the mental and physically ill, we are a society not Nazi Germany where we find slick ways to make the undesirables disappear like ending Unemployment benefits so they can starve on the streets as we give kudos to the wealthy and greedy Wall Street criminals and tax breaks to the ones who want to take our jobs to India so they can make it hand over fists while they shove their fists up our you know whats. How many decades has it been since average Joe next door was able to run for office, we liked Joe, we believed in Joe, but Joe did not support special interests and could not raise millions of dollars so we are forced to vote for two evils. Wake up, this is not democracy it is a Plutocratic government. Sharon Angle and all republicans have shown what they stand for and that is the fall of us meager working class. Let us take our degrees and work at McD’s for 6 bucks and hour but hey the new college grads get that job or the graduated high school kid, not the 50 and 60 yr old who lost everything a life of hard work earned them and then to be called drug addicts and feral animals and spoiled and entitled. Shame on you and we must vote every single republican out this year and start shaking the leaves of the millionaire tree for the money they deserve to pay. Oh and did you forget that Bush bailed out criminals without penalty and took all our freedoms away in the Patriot Act, so we cannot even protest without being in fear of being treason. Who hid behind the word Christ as he started an illegal war with lies. Bush was the anti-christ and destroyed the fiber of this country without proper law and is actually not only a war criminal but committed over 100 acts of treason all punishable by death. Do your digging and homework I can’t do it for you.

          • DaveH

            Tetonmoon,
            I’m not going to address most of your misinformation.
            But can you tell me where your information came from to justify this statement?
            “And I wont even go into the less than 2 percent a billionaire pays of his income for taxes”.
            I’ll show you mine:
            http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

          • eddie47d

            Dave H. Then we won’t go into your tantrums about Liberals or the immorality of Conservatives. Conservatives only hide it better.

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            You make a lot of accusations without any evidence. Sure, there are people who claim to be conservative that are immoral. But they pale in comparison to the immorality of Liberals.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, even a jackass can make some noise once in awhile.

          • eddie47d

            Always protecting those corporate thieves aren’t you Dave! Capitalists=immoral hateful thieves to take a quote from you.

          • DaveH

            Corporate Thieves, Eddie?
            I have lived 60 years. I have enjoyed goods and services in the marketplace that dwarf those that were available to my parents’ generation. And I was never once forced to buy them, except when ordered to by the Government.
            Contrast that with the Government who do have the power to force me to subscribe to their services. There is no contest, Eddie. The people you champion are only thieves I have known.

          • DaveH

            Eddie says “Capitalists=immoral hateful thieves to take a quote from you”.
            I never said any such thing.
            So, Eddie, are you slandering me with another lie or are you just illiterate?

          • eddie47d

            Dave H. Do I have to take you by the hand and show you what you say all the time? (7-23 11:02am). Last time okay! You said liberals: immoral hateful thieves. I responded Conservatives: immoral hateful thieves. No lies-you just choose to play dumb every so often.

          • DaveH

            As I said, Eddie, illiterate or a liar. You attributed a quote to me that I did not say. I did say “Liberals: Immoral, Hateful thieves”. I did not say “Capitalists: Immoral, Hateful thieves” as you stated.

            JeffH is wrong about you. You are not Fast Eddie. You are Slow, very Slow.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            When fast eddie attack’s conservatism, capitalism and the free market, he proves himself to be a socialist communist bastard. There is no other way about it. If you dont like conservative free market capitalism, you then are a socialist communist pig. End of story.

        • George Rusling

          The Bush “Tax Cuts for the Wealthy” are a progressive fabrication. Bush gave “tax cuts” to all people who actually PAY taxes, and that included most of the middle class. It’s really hard to give an “income tax cut” to someone who already pays “$0″ in income tax, and that group already included “ALL” of the really “poor people” in America.

          That being said, Bush’s “conservative” credentials are thin, at best, since he spent far too much of our money on things which hardly served the best interest of “The People” in this country. Like so many politicians in Washington, even though he came late in life to his political career, he went to Washington with the INTENT of creating more laws and regulations, not with the intent of making it easier for the average person to improve their lot in life, and that’s exactly what he did. As an example I give you the TOTALLY unconstitutional “Patriot Act” which only a very few in Washington voted against, while pointing out that it violated virtually our ENTIRE “Bill of Rights” along with a few other elements of constitutional limitation on the federal government.

          Until we find someone who demands the entire federal government (including the Supreme Court) COMPLY with constitutional limitations on federal activity, we cannot reverse the downward spiral of our Republic…

          • DaveH

            Excellent comment, George.

          • eddie47d

            I agree too George.Yet under Article I Sec. 8 of the Constitution the Federal Government can only support a standing army for 2 years and can not fund any war after that time. Now wars last 10-20 years.

          • http://www.facebook.com/djgarbis DENNIS Garbis

            Mr. Rusling, Your comments are the most rational I’ve seen in these replies. The one thing that so many don’t seem to comprehend is that regardless of how much a person makes, it’s still HIS PROPERTY. And the other thing no one understands is that FREEDOM IS 100% CONTROL OF ONE’S OWN PROPERTY!
            Therefore, all arguments about how much a rich person contributes involuntarily or otherwise to society is nobody’s business!

          • DaveH

            I agree, Dennis, but we don’t have freedom.

        • 2WarAbnVet

          hflashman (a disgrace to that honored name, incidentally)

          The top 1% of taxpayers already pay 40.4% of ALL federal income taxes. If we want to create “balance,” you would assume that this means the top 1% must earn 40% of the income. You would be very wrong. These evil rich folks only earn about 22.8% of total adjusted gross income. The share of taxes paid by the top 1% now exceeds the share paid by the bottom 95% of taxpayers. Read that again. Here .. I’ll just type is again … The share of taxes paid by the top 1% now exceeds the share paid by the bottom 95% of taxpayers

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Thats is why Im sick of the liberal democrat playbook that demonizes successful people and successful business’s. Arent they raped and gleaned enough? Keep it up and they will all leave, then who is going to be left holding the bag? And its always the so called “poor people” that dont pay a dime, collect handout after handout, that think the rich are getting a free ride, when they are the ones riding the coat tails of the so called rich to the free buffet line. Im a middle class, 50 grand a year guy. Im not rich, and Im not poor. Im just there, and Im comfortable. And Im sick of the demonization of the successful in this country. I myself demonize those who stand there with their hands outs collecting government stipends year and year after year. Shame on you. You are the bastards here, not the rich.

        • Joyce from Loris

          At your expense?? Since when does it cost you a dime for a wealthy person to be wealthy? Do you think that, just because you are not smart enough to figure out a way to be wealthy, that others should not be?? How can you covet so openly? And wealthy people fall in all categories, such as NANCY PELOSI being worth $35 MILLION dollars. ALL POLITICIANS are wealthy. Explain to me how politicians, who “earn” less that $200,000 a year can be MILLIONAIRES? There are more millionaires in the House of Representatives and the Senate than any where else. Check the records.

          • blamesomeoneelse

            Thanks for you comment, Joyce.
            Why is it the democrates(which the ones in congress are all wealthy) keep telling the poor that the rich dont pay them enough? It has nothing to do with right or truth it has to do with control. Control the mind control the vote! That is why the democrates pay for people like hflashman to read and comment on these blogs. Control! Vote them out

        • NM

          IT IS NOT AT YOUR EXPENSE YOU DOOFUSS!!!!! THEY WORK HARD FOR THAT MONEY AND SO COULD YOU BUT WHY SHOULD YOU!!?? SIT AND GROUCH LOUD ENOUGH AND SOME ONE WILL GIVE YOU SOME THING YOU DID NOT EARN. AN EASY LIFE WITH NO EFFORT ON YOUR PART!!! AGAIN, GET AN EDUCATION, GET A JOB, START A BUSINESS AND GET RICH!!! STOP EXPECTING SOME ONE ELSE TO TAKE CARE OF YOU!!!

          • eddie47d

            Not all wealthy people earn their money or even work hard for it. We all know who they are! We have been ripped off with extraordinary price increases from many corporations.They jerry rig the system and even their own companies and we get left holding the bag. For myself no one has given me a darn thing so that’s one bandwagon you need to get off of.

          • kate8

            eddie, you are so right. Not all wealthy people earn their money or work hard for it. We have a whole Congress, POTUS and WH administratio that can attest to that.

            Most of these people have never held a real job. They get rich by sucking it out of We the People.

          • DaveH

            So, Eddie, why do you champion Big Government which stifles the competition for those corporations with mind-numbing paperwork?
            If you want cheaper prices then you would champion Free Markets instead where the consumer is king rather than the bought-and-paid-for politicians.
            With free markets, you Liberals could put your brilliant minds together and run businesses that sell their products cheaply. Or not.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Hey fast eddie, newsflash to you. If you dont like a company marking up prices as you say, dont buy their products. Its that easy. What kind of a dummy are you? Go somewhere else pal. Shop around. Are you seriously that dumb? No way dude. Nobody is forcing you to buy anybody’s so called marked up price. Just say so, and go somewhere else. My gosh man, who does all your thinking for you? ABC? CBS? NBC? CNN? MSNBC? Get a grip man, your circling the drain.

        • JEM

          Okey, Flash-in-pan. Question. Who produces and WHO PAYS YOUR WAGES? Not the poor. Not the government (they have only the money they take from the citizens, including the poor) Without the rich we will have no jobs! (No, I’m not one of those rich but thanks to them, I had a job).

          • hflashman

            U,,, I’m a small business owner. And I pay more in percentage of taxes than most of the DOW corporations. Now tell me … how is that ‘fair”?

          • Bud in San Antone

            JEM: Amen. The truth short and sweet.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            hflashman, if indeed you are a small business owner, then you know how important Bush’s tax cuts were to you, unless your lying. Our small business hired 30 new employee’s when this happened. What did you do, pocket the money? And now that the usurper in charge is getting rid of them, I hope you didnt spend the money you pocketed, because your going to need to pay the democrats at the window sir. But I dont really think you are a small business owner, or you wouldnt be saying what your saying, because you would know these tax cuts were set up to help small business’s. And your lying again. You do not come near paying the kind of taxes that an IBM or Honda or DANA pay. You have no idea.

        • TeresaE

          I can’t wait for you to see the truth.

          The BULK of the tax cuts were for the middle class.

          OUR rates are going sky high next year, at the same time the VERY real cost of complete government control hits my business.

          My LOW income tax rates fell when the cuts were enacted.

          And next year the cost of EVERYTHING we need to buy will skyrocket as businesses pass the costs along, as they are required BY LAW to do.

          • Rick

            Then the Libs will vote for a consumer bailout and give out checks to anyone hit by the poor economy they caused. Let’s call it “cash for consumers”.

        • marvin

          hflashman, you do know who employ the working class,is it the poor NO ,is it the goverment yes but only with money that is taxed from the rich or borrowed from china,rich people can take there money and move out of this country,then you will be working for the goverment like greece it is all a house of cards that will fall, then who you going to blame BUSH

        • Dennis G

          Flasher – how are your math skills. If your taxes go up that is an increase. I am not wealthy and my taxes have gone up and will go up even more when the Bush tax cuts expire. Now here’s your economics lesson. Corporations do not pay taxes – they just write the check to the Gov’t. Taxes are built into the cost of goods that both you and I buy. Therefore you are actually paying Corp. taxes. It’s just someone else writing the check. So you think ending your 2 so-called welfare systems will balance the budget. With the current liberals/progressives in DC they will just spend this new money. They are spending money now that we don’t have – borrowed from China and other countries. Are you part of the 47% that do not pay Fed. income taxes?

          • hflashman

            you must have skipped Macro Economics in college. Some is passed on to the customer base…not all. Read Samuelson’s book on Macro Economics. You’ll be enlightened.

        • alpha-lemming

          Economics 101:
          When you tax something (People…. who PAY taxes) you get less of that activity. When you subsidize something (welfare) you get more of that activity. Being the eternal optimist, I hope even the moonbat, Chairman ObaMao-nation bloggers here can see the unsustainability of this simple to understand scenario. If you can’t (or refuse) see it, your only legitamate position for argument is… EVERYBODY should be on wefare. If that’s how you feel, I’ve got some really bad news for you. There isn’t enough money in the entire world to make everyone in it middle class.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Hey dumb butt, those tax breaks allowed the small business I work for, to hire 20 guys. Thats 20 more people working, paying taxes and spending money in the public sector, buying cars, houses, groceries etc, thus stimulating the economy the way it is supposed to be stimulated. Now multiply that by millions of business’s, and its a good thing. Ever had a poor man give you a job? Ever tax a poor man enough to build a 40 million dollar bridge? I dont think so. Are you even aware that the so called rich pay 85 percent of the taxes, that keep this country operating? And you want to punish them more? And why? Are you jealous? Ill tell you what you misunderstanding left wing liberal, when they take these tax cuts down, a lot of people are going to head to the unemployment line. I know when we lose them here, at least half of the new hire’s are gone, as we will then need the cash to pay the higher taxes. Do you understand this at all? Are you one of those guys that doesnt work, gets welfare, food stamps, unemployement, and thinks the world owes you a living? People like you need to move to Mexico or Iran, since you hate it so much here. Shame on your thought process. Why punish the successfull, and reward the lazy bums that dont want to work? Why? How can you think that way? What happens when they all get pissed enough, and say to hell with it and all start a mass relocation to Mexico and Canada and Europe and all over the world. Then what are we going to do for tax revenue? Its high time we left them alone, and stopped all the government handouts and made people start standing on their own two feet, instead of living off of my back. Its killing me, and Im tired of it. By the way, Im not rich. I make 50 grand. And Im very comfortable. And I give 10 percent of my income away every week, of my own free will, in addition to all the money the government takes to support all their social agencies so they can give stipends to joe crackhead so that he will vote for them next election. You need to get yourself educated man. Your missing the boat.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Make that 30 new guys we hired, not 20.

          • Al Sieber

            Those tax breaks allowed me to buy the equipment I needed to make a living and expand my business.

        • vicki

          HFlashman: why stop there. Lets roll back the Reagan and Kennedy tax cuts. Then lets ask your wallet if 91% is a tax increase.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            His wallet is probably full too, as Im gathering from his comments that he collects unemployment, welfare, food stamps, probably WIC, and I wouldnt doubt if he has figured out a way to wiggle into some free social security money also. It is those guys that collect all these free government stipends, and live on the public dole, that yell and cry the most and demonize successful people and successful business’s. Its the cold hard truth, but I see it time and time again with guys like that.

        • dan of arizona

          Flasher man you have to work to get a tax break i no thats a new concept for you

      • Vippy

        Those tax cuts need to end, they broke this country’s back! The rich need, once again, pay their fair share of taxes. Make more money pay more taxes is fair! After all those tax cuts did not create jobs as we can see now, some of these are even leaving this country to avoid paying taxes and we know no one is going after the tax cheats in the tax heavens around the globe. Let the ones making $ 250,000 get an increase, it is direly needed. It is a well known fact that the poor are paying the highest taxes and that is why this country is in such a mess.

        • James

          Vippy, a graduated income tax is right out of Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto. What we need is a flat percentage (10%?) that is applied to everyone.

        • Brad

          Vippy just one question for you, when was the last time a poor man advertised a job opening? The rich create the jobs in this country and with 8-16 million people out of work in this country, who’s going to put them back to work? The fedderal government can’t so who is, inquiring minds want to know?

          • DaveH

            Vippy thinks we can steal our way to prosperity.

          • kate8

            DaveH, don’t forget that progressives are not about prosperity. They are after across-the-board poverty.

            Except for the elites, that is. Winner take all.

          • eddie47d

            Kate 8; “winner takes all” That’s a Capitalists slogan.

          • kate8

            eddie, I have no idea who coined the phrase and I don’t care. It is what these treasonous jackals in DC are doing. They win, we lose.

          • DaveH

            Neither does Eddie, Kate. He just uses his Liberal prerogative to say whatever he damn well pleases whether it is true or not.

          • vicki

            eddie47d says:

            “Kate 8; “winner takes all” That’s a Capitalists slogan.”

            The customer is King. THAT’s a capitalist slogan.

            Winner takes all is a soundbyte for gamblers.
            It may also be
            # Winner Takes All (Doctor Who), a BBC Books original novel
            # Winner Takes All (game show), on the ITV network from 1976 to 1988, and on Challenge TV from 1997
            # Plurality voting system, a single-winner voting system
            # A natural monopoly
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winner_takes_all

            Don’t see any reference to capitalism there.

            Another eddie47d fact bites the dust.

          • kate8

            We can now coin a NEW word: “eddie47ism”.

            These threads are filled with them daily.

        • DaveH

          This country is in a mess as a result of our leviathan government spending like there is no tomorrow.
          Our current economic malaise has been created by Federal Reserve easy money, and the coercion of banks, by government and liberal groups, to lend money to marginal borrowers who expectedly defaulted on their loans.
          Your fantasy world doesn’t exist, Vippy. It takes hard work and sacrifice to make an economy run well. All the elected fools in the world won’t make a good economy by stealing from the producers and giving to the non-producers.

          • NM

            AMEN!!!

          • kate8

            It seems that some people believe that government simply creates money out of thin air (wait, they do), and then dispenses it to those it deems worthy.

            In the world of the progressive, no one works. In this dream world, everyone sits around and smokes that funny stuff, because in this world there’s not much else to do, while BigBro issues them just enough to eat sparingly while they sit in their government provided cubicle waiting for their next issuance of funny-stuff.

            Anyone ever read about what Soviet life was like? Those who did have jobs (government jobs) were still paid as if they didn’t.

            Wow. I can’t wait. Sounds like a good description of Hell.

          • eddie47d

            Kate 8 Your the one smoking the funny stuff but thanks for your view of the future.

          • Claire

            What happens when Bush’s tax cuts are over at the end of the year? Do any of you think they helped? Corporations/business went overseas anyway. I would like to hear some thoughts on this issue. Thanks.

          • JeffH

            Claire, it will mean those that were eating hamburger helper will be reduced to eating beans and rice, with an occasional slice of Spam…for those with any money left to buy it…

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            Kate’s comments make infinitely more sense than your comments.

          • DaveH

            Claire,
            Many complex factors contribute to a corporation’s decisions to move out of a country. The main ones are taxes, labor rates, and availability of skilled laborers. But one thing is for sure, it takes a lot of negative factors to make corporations go to the expense (both financially and mentally) of moving to another country.
            Look at this list and tell me “why are we number eight and falling?”. We were supposed to be the bastion of capitalism.
            http://www.heritage.org/index/

            You can see from the list that more government creates lesser economies. Of course, the leaders don’t care, Cuba proves that.

          • Las Vegas Jim

            DaveH,

            You got the part about our country is being in a mess as a result of government spending. On December 31, 1981, twenty days before Reagan took office, the national debt was $1.028 trillion after Carter ran it up about 143% from about $719 billion in his four years.

            By the time your beloved king of conservatism left office in 1989, the debt had increased about 275% to $2.857 trillion.

            Bill Clinton inherited a debt of $4.411 trillion from Ronnie and managed to only run it up about 130% to $5.807 trillion in his eight years.

            Then along came the tax cutters and warmongers, Georgie and Dickiepoo. By the time they left office, the debt had climbed nearly 200% to over $11 trillion. Now it is up 121% to $13.228 trillion.

            For the current administration to match the performance of the presidency of the B movie actor who became a D- governor before becoming an F president, it would have to increase the debt to over $30 trillion. To match the most recently failed administration, it would have reach $22 trillion.

            The numbers prove that those bastions of conservatism, Ronnie and Georgie, are the ones most responsible for the “leviathan government spending.”

            What say you now?

          • Las Vegas Jim

            DaveH,

            My brain was going too fast for my fingers to keep up. The first sentence in the above should be: You got the part about our country being in a mess as a result of government spending correct.

          • vicki

            What say we now? What we said then. And before back when LBJ was creating the “great society” on our dime. We said NO NEW TAXES. We said cut government spending. Not that we were listened to.

          • Viktor Leben

            Our endowed by their Creator with unalienable rights ….

            That’s what the Declaration of Independence says ……..

            Looking at our current situation I have come to this conclusion……

            THE CREATOR HAS WITHDRAWN HIS ENDOWMENT………

            ALL RIGHTS COME FROM THE CREATOR….. THE CREATOR HAS CHOSEN TO WITHDRAW OUR RIGHTS.

            QED: The Tea Party’s activities won’t change anything ! The writing on the wall says “MENE MENE TEKEL UPHARSIN” …..

          • Las Vegas Jim

            Vicki, Vicki, Vicki,

            Get your facts straight. When LBJ took office after JFK was assassinated, the national debt was about $309 billion. When Tricky Dicky was sworn in, it had grown to $358 billion, a very modest 116% higher. Nixon and Ford managed to increase the debt over 180% to $653

            The conservatives weren’t very conservative fiscally for the past 50 years. The worst Democrat didn’t increase the debt as much as the best Republican. Can you hear me now? Look at the score and admit your mistake –

            Democrats
            *********
            JFK/LBJ – 124%
            Carter – 143%
            Clinton – 130%

            Republicans
            ***********
            Nixon/Ford – 180%
            Reagan – 275%
            GHW Bush – 155%
            GW Bush – 205%

          • DaveH

            First of all, Jim, none of them were my presidents. I only vote Libertarian.
            When Obama took office (Jan 20, 2009), the National Debt was $10.6 Trillion. Now, 19 months later, it stands at $13.2 Trillion. Extrapolating that over 4 years would put the debt at $17.2 Trillion. That would be $6.6 Trillion of growth in 4 years, which is approximately the amount that was added during the Bush administration in 8 years.
            Don’t give me that percentage crap. If the National Debt was $1.00 and it increased by $20.00 that would be a 2000% increase. Significant? Of course not.
            Also, during the Reagan years he issued the most Vetos of any president in my lifetime, but even at that 12% were overridden.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes
            Could he help that? Of course not. And the House of Representatives was controlled by the Democrats during Reagan’s entire presidency. Remember, Congress passes the laws.
            Obama, on the other hand, is pushing the Congress (Democrat controlled) to pass more laws and spend more money.
            Your comment would lead me to believe that you disapprove of Government spending beyond their means, yet you apparently approve of Obama, who is hands down the biggest spender ever. Contradiction? Or just typical Liberal smokescreen?

          • Las Vegas Jim

            Dave H,

            We’re not talking about a dollar or $22. Reagan tripled the debt, and Bush doubled it. No Democrat in the last 50 years performed so poorly. In fact, Clinton even had a surplus. Period, over and out! If you don’t get it, go back to the fifth grade.

            You also can’t say what the debt will be in four years unless you have a crystal ball. For all you know, there will be a huge surplus in another couple years. I know that is wishful thinking, but you don’t know.

            Obama has raised the debt taking care of problems created by Reagan and Bush. If you don’t get it, go back to the third grade.

          • DaveH

            Jim,
            I’ll put it in a way that even an ignorant Liberal can understand. Obama has raised the National Debt more in 19 months then Bush Jr. did in either one of his 4 year terms. And I was no fan of Bush.
            The budget balancing during the Clinton years was achieved despite Bill Clinton, not because of Bill Clinton:
            http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5656

            Interesting that you should talk about grade school, as you are using the typical manipulative personal attacks used by grade-schoolers against their opponents. Grow up, Liberal.

          • Claire

            JeffH–Then I guess I had better be prepared.

        • Buster

          Conservatives are morons and just can not accept the truth.

          • marvin

            Buster one thing fer sure we is all rich, fer yur leader said so unlike liberals that are never broke tell we rich rebublicans run out of cash,get a life

          • rwnut

            Leftie Liberalism is a mental disorder.You need help.

          • JeffH

            …that’s a real brain “BUSTER” of a comment…now go back to the trough…

          • DaveH
          • http://www.pbondillustration.com paul

            didn’t Reagan have to deal with a democratic congress?

          • Las Vegas Jim

            Paul,

            The Democrats controlled the House for the entire Reagan presidency, but the Senate was Republican until his last two years when the nation got sick and tired of them. Remember the recession that Reaganomics caused during that time that Clinton rescued us from.

            Obama has to do the same thing – clean up the economy after a president that favored the rich and made them richer.

          • DaveH

            Reagan had to deal with a double-digit inflation rate that was inherited from Jimmy Carter (Obama’s less evil twin). That required tightening up on the interest rates which of course precipitates a recession. It takes suffering to correct the excesses of the Liberals.
            And he had to deal with a hostile Congress. Even many in his own party (notably Bob Dole) hung on his ankles like a ball and chain.

            Imagine an out of control spouse spending a family deeply into debt. Upon realizing their debt was unsustainable, they decided to correct their budgetary mess. Keep in mind that they couldn’t even live within their means before and now they have to live even tighter to save enough extra to pay down their debts. There would be a lot of sacrifice in the family for years to come.

            Have I explained that well enough that even an ignorant Liberal can understand?

          • Rick

            What “truth” is that?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          And 85 percent of the taxes paid in this country by the so called rich, isnt enough for you? Just what do you call their fair share? Im sure your not paying near as much a percent as say IBM, which Im sure is an evil corporate in your eyes. You people kill me with your wanting to punish the successfull all the time. Just what are you going to do when they finally get pissed enough and all move? Then what? Blame Bush? You liberals take the cake. I wish you would all get educated and dig in and find out where the tax revenue comes from, and then maybe you would stop calling for business’s heads. Again, and I will ask you also, have you ever had a poor man give you a job? Well, have you? Thats what I thought. Now get off their ass.

          • vicki

            Microsoft replaced IBM as the evil corporation years ago. I think that Apple is beginning to be the evil corporation for the 22d century.

          • rwnut

            Beberoni…HOORAH,FELLOW PATRIOT!

          • Las Vegas Jim

            Let me educate you. One percent of Americans have 25% of the wealth. That is why the rich pay such a large share of taxes.

            In 1970, the top one percent had less than ten percent of the wealth. How did they acquire so much? The answer is simple – Reagan and Bush.

        • American Citizen

          What’s your idea of “fair”? The rich already pay most of the taxes.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            According to Las Vegas Billy Jim Bob, no one got rich until Reagan and Bush were presidents. Here’s to them for doing thing right where people could get ahead in life. All I saw during Clinton and Obama was people running to the unemployement office and waiting for their food stamps. Your one sick puppy Vegas Billy Jim Bob. You distort the truth and type up your fuzzy numbers, and think we should all believe what you type. Im thinking, NOT. Try again.

          • Las Vegas Jim

            Beberoni,

            You are a beber bone head. When Reagan left office the unemployment rate was 7.3%. When Bush took over from Clinton, it was down to 4%. When Obama took over, the rate was 7.6%, and over a half million jobs were being lost each month.

        • dan of arizona

          actualy vippy it did create more jobs your net worth is an example did you buy a new home and sell it then you no about capital gains tax that is what is not going to happen now not only the rich make the economy run but the working guy get the break also but not any more

        • Ted Crawford

          In 2003, when the bush tax cuts went into effect, the revenue from these taxes was 1.8 Trillion dollars. In 2008, after five years of these lower tax rates. The revenue generated by these same taxes was 2.5 Trillion dollars, an INCREASE of 700 Billion dollars! You see, taxes and revenue are ALWAYS in inverse proportion to one another!
          Let’s see something else happened in 2008…, Oh yea, I remember the 110th. Congress was sworn in! Led by.. let me think… pelosi and reid!
          The fact that they were able to spend faster than the revenue could increase, doesn’t mean the cuts did not create the revenue!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Your a LIAR Vippy. A big STINKING LIAR. Those tax cuts created 30 new jobs just where I work. And I know we were not the only small business in the country that got tax cuts and hired people. You are a small pathetic little liar. And I know you lied, and Im calling your lying little butt out, because it DID CREATE 30 NEW JOBS here where I work alone. So shut your liberal lying mouth until you research what it is you say, and put your left wing liberal lying agenda away. You just got caught in a lie. What a lying little Punk.

          • Las Vegas Jim

            If what you say is true, why did the unemployment rate go from 4.2% to 5.7% in Bush’s first year as president? Why did it remain above 5% for his entire first term and skyrocket to 7.6%, the highest since his daddy left office, by the time he left office?

            The fact is that no correlation can be established between the tax rate and unemployment throughout the long term.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            He took over a bad recession Clinton left us in. He rolled up his sleeves, and went to work. It took a year and a half and he got the job done, and it dropped a lot more than you try to say. Then it stayed down, and only went up his last year, because come on man, do you really think for one minute, that the business world wasnt aware that 150 year old career politician John McCain wasnt going to get elected? They knew that. They also knew that the democrat tax monsters were coming, who had allready way before that said they were going to cancel the Bush tax cuts, which freed up cash reserves in the first place for business to hire many new employee’s. Upon realizing Obama was coming in, business tightened up and America felt it, and the unemployment rate started going up. But I know what I read, was it was 4.7 to 4.9 when he left, and Obummer has had it up over 10 percent, and when he kills these Bush tax cuts, that son of a gun is going up over 10 percent again, Ill pretty much guarantee it. Then how you all going to blame Bush for that? This Ive got to see. Your fuzzy numbers arent cutting it with me. And remember those first two years of Bush? His admin rolled up their sleeves and went to work. I never once saw them go on national TV and say what a mess Clinton cause and that they were cleaning it up. But that is all I have seen out of the Obama admin, is excuses and finger pointing blame, more excuses, more finger pointing. That’s all theyve done. Come on man, take a look at it right in front of you. They point fingers and blame Bush. Why dont they roll up their sleeves and go to work? Unbelievable, and just totally unreal that blind followers like you cannot see it. Come on man.

      • JiimCO

        Ya mean those tax cuts that really improved our economy so much? The Dow Jones at 8000 and falling, unemployment at 7.9% and rising, Wall St. needing a bailout, the car companies looking at bankruptcy. And let us not forget the national debt, in Clinton’s last year there was a $243 billion surplus, at that projected rate, there would have been a $5.6 trillion surplus by 2011, it would have been paid off! Instead Bush gave the money back to the people, even though economists warned that taxes would have to be increased by 2010 to make up this loss of revenue … so instead, it was doubled during Bush’s two terms! In LBJ’s last term, he managed to carry out a war and his social programs and still dropped the debt! In fact every Democrat President has managed to drop the debt during their terms, even Carter during his stagflation. While the republicans … they can’t even run their own RNC as they spend more than they take in, going $7 million in debt over the last 2 months … and you think they are the answer?

        • Brad

          Wasn’t it the republican controlled congress that gave Bill Clinton his ballanced budget? It’s true that some republicans started spending like drunken sailors, but blame your party as well as mine, they are both to blame. Look at Obama’s current federal budget 1.4 trillion more this fiscal year then Bush requested for the entire 09 FY. Let’s cut the approximate 415 trillion being spent on illegals in this country, that’s in educating them and their free medical only.

          • Brad

            Sorry not trillion but billion.

        • Robert

          There was no surplus. There never was a surplus. it was a projected surplus that might have happened if not for 9/11. get your facts straight or shutup.

          • NM

            Thank you. There is never a surplus when there is even a little debt. There was a huge debt that only the minimum was being paid on. Pay it off then save.

          • marvin

            Robert THATS like gm saying they had paid back all the stimulas money,now here is were it get get hard to belive,they grossed about 2 billion they paid 5 billion back to gov,but that 5 billion was just more stimulas money they used to pay back stimulas money,and the best part they got about 60 billion stimulas payed back 5 billion that came out of the 60 billion so how much do they still owe,is your head hurting mine is,the gm/obama shell game

          • eddie47d

            There was no true surplus under Clinton although it was one of the best economies.Mr Bush did have a fairly good economy to work with but didn’t shore it up as well as he could. Obama came in with one of the worst economies and it has slowly inproved. Only a fool would believe that our present economy would be back to “normal” yet.

          • JeffH

            “Only a fool would believe that our present economy would be back to “normal” yet.”

            Only a “blind fool” or an Ostrich would think the US economy can improve under a Marxist/communist/socialist big government spender.

          • eddie47d

            Poor Jeff , More spin from Goofy!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And add to that, like anyone could possible believe anything that came out of the Clinton camp? Give me a break. Those people were the biggest liars of all time. It used to be said by my mother “you know where you go for lying?” And it was hell. Now days, they say “You know where you go for lying”, and the answer is “to the Clinton cabinet”. Im just saying…………

        • George Rusling

          You need to look closely at the fact that Clinton’s “budget surplus” was a PROJECTED SURPLUS (not money in the bank), which assumed that our economy would keep right on expanding like it did in the ’90′s, and then, toward the end of his time in office (certainly before Bush ever took the oath of office) the “TECH BUBBLE BURST” and all that “PROJECTED” surplus went down the tubes! That’s called a “Market Correction” which neither Clinton nor Bush were qualified to forecast. The Congressional Budget Office missed their “forecast” because they didn’t see it coming and if Alan Greenspan did, he certainly kept it to himself! Simple fact: the “dot-com” explosion was pure inflation based on some foolish prediction of great “PROFIT” on the internet which STILL hasn’t manifested itself, and it simply ran out of steam and investors. Multi-millionaires became paupers overnight, and the only part which can be blamed on “Washington” is the failure of ALL our politicians (who claim such great economic expertise) to see it coming…

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Well they worked when Bush put them in, because our business hired 30 people. And so did millions of others. As soon as Obama and the tax monsters came in, they announced they were rescinding them, and a lot of places are holding on to the money they saved to pay the new tax increases these idiots are going to place on them. Business prospers by leaving them alone, let them make profits, and they will expand and hire people, and its a win, win situation. But when you keep taxing the hell out of them, they will lay off workers in order to pay the tax bills, and that is what is going to happen as soon as they take the tax cuts away. I know were going to have to get rid of at least 10 of our new hires, maybe more. Depends on how much these tax monsters are going to up our taxes. But you dont keep taxing business. That is a recipe for disaster, and if you dont know that, your uneducated in business affairs. And judging by your statements, your totally in the dark. Now go pick up your unemployment check and food stamps, and get out of the heat and go back into your trailer.

        • Ted Crawford

          As Brad points out, the health of the economy under clinton was due, in no small part, to the fact that conservatives had controlled Congress, therefore the purse strings, for 6 of the 8 years of his presidency!
          Even that, however, wasn’t enough to create clintons Phantom Surplus! The main source of that was the reporting the Social Security Taxes payed in, While ignoring the Social Security Benifits payed out!
          Any President, with the notable exception of the current one, could create a similar “surplus”, using that method! This one….well I’ll just let the facts speak for themselves!!

          • Bob Wire

            Right! Even a caveman can do it!

            Do we ignore the fact the executive branch sets the course and tempo and has final say with veto?

            I think Clintons tenure affords us a view on how bipartisanship was suppose to work.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          The Clinton cabinet had the economy in the tank when they left pal. Did you know that under Bush, unemployment was at an all time low. Employement was at an all time high? The stock market was at an all time high? And when he left, unemployment was 4.7 percent, and obama has doubled it or more. And did you know at Bush’s lowest economy, it was higher than at Clinton’s highest point? Yeah, your hero doesnt look so glowing now, does he?

    • Bob Wire

      Let me guess ~~ ????/ ~!~!~~~ Oprah? ~ Acorn? ~NAACP? ACLU? Marxist? Nazis? Leninist? Hollywood? Ballywood? Mick Jagger? Ted Kennedy?

    • marvin

      DaveH, you are being funny right,it cost tax payer around 1 million dollars ever time obama goes out stumping for a dembocrat,

      • DaveH

        No, Marvin, not being funny. Lazy, maybe. It could very well be that when Obama campains the money comes from Democrat coffers. Mine was a legitimate question. I do suspect that Obama is campaining on taxpayer money, but as said, I am too lazy to research and verify that.

    • WarriorH

      BP should pay! Right?

    • Gordon Wayne

      Well Said Dave H. I am flabergasted that our legislature allows the liberals to use OUR airplane to fly around the country campaigning for the damocrats,We are paying the bill for this.The cost of a 757 aircraft per hour is in the undreds of thousands$of our money.But then again, what the hell does the legislature do anything productive. Another thing When is some one with some hair on their back side submit a bill that requires all legislation be passed thru the Supreme Court for its constitunal values. Oh, I guess I am dumb as we dont have a constituion any longer. I think we all better keep our powder dry and Come to the aid of our great nation!!!

  • JeffH

    Obama has remained in campaign mode since 2008…keep it up and keep putting the hex on the Dems.

    • Bob Wire

      We didn’t know bills could be signed into law and campaign all at the same time! WOW! maybe he is the magic negro!

      • DaveH

        Don’t be a hateful racist, Bob.

        • eddie47d

          He was mocking your hero Limbaugh Dave so it wasn’t racists.

          • DaveH

            Another of Liberal Eddie’s lies. Has anybody on this board seen me say anything about Limbaugh?

          • JeffH

            DaveH, has anybody seen fast eddie say something factual…

          • kate8

            Come on, JeffH. Facts are irrelevant to libs.

            They just keep repeating the same lies until they become true.

            I know that doesn’t make sense to sane folks, but it does explain a lot.

          • eddie47d

            Dave H. No Lie there;Go read his comment again. I got it right away.Think hard this time and you might connect.

          • eddie47d

            Dave H. In case you didn’t get it. Limbaugh is the one who said Obama is the magic negro.

          • DaveH

            You really are either hopelessly ignorant, or you are a purposeful Liar, Eddie.
            You said Limbaugh was my hero. Where have I said anything favorable about Limbaugh?
            Maybe you can get away with slandering others with your fabricated facts, but I will call you on it every time I see it.

      • JeffH

        Gee BW, even you can learn something if you pay attention…

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Na, he is just a dirty cheat, who doesnt care what the law or the constitution says. He is content to go behind closed doors and ramrod through anything his boys want him to ram rod through. See, I know he is just the figurehead. Its the democratic party behind all this stupid nonsense. And these same stupid democrats are going to throw him under the bus and run Hillary in 2012, and that just may be the straw that breaks the back on their phony relationships with the black voting population. At that point, Im think their eyes will be opened as to who these guys really are. And dont forget, they owe George Soros a lot of money, so that means a lot a favors have to be paid back to him.

        • JeffH

          Hmmmm, food for the thinking man…

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I guess that means fast eddie is out.

      • American Citizen

        Obama wanted to be President because it “was there”. His ineptness shows every time he opens his mouth and that’s why he stays away from the White House. He plays “catch me if you can” on taxpayers money.

    • PC_Bob

      “Obama has remained in campaign mode since 2008…keep it up and keep putting the hex on the Dems.”

      Actually, he started campaigning as soon as he was elected to the Senate, here in Illinois. The Chicago political machine was and is alive and well, functioning at full capacity as we speak. All we can hope is that when Blago goes down, he takes Obama with him.

      • JeffH

        PC, might as well drag Daley down too…

      • Ted Crawford

        blago may walk! The Prosecution held their “big guns” back to use as rebuttal witnesses, blago didn’t testify, no rebuttal! They may have left their case sitting in the wings!!

    • WarriorH

      Campaigning is all the guy knows what to do. Running a country, not so much.

  • bp

    Please share the following YouTube “Obamadeception”:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
    It explains everything! Warning: 2 hrs long, but worth every minute!

  • Mark

    Throw the bum out? For what, fixing the mess the right wing of this country has gotten us into? No good deed goes unpunished…

    • Pathfinder

      Just what mess has this imposter (not even a legitimite office holder) “fixed” ?? The RINO’s did, indeed, make a mess; spending as if they were democrats. However, BO has only made matters worse. He has not repaired anything.

      • barbara

        I recall the Dems historic sweep of congress in 2006 contributed to the mess. It may have been on Bush’s watch but his hands were tied. I do beleive that the Pres was a congressman during that time and has no record of doing anything. This mess we are in is no accidental. It is been planned for many years. Obama was the chosen one to put it all in motion. It is like shoveling seaweed against the tide. It is so hopeless as the whole world is hell bent on destroying our freedom and want a socialistic /communistic syatem. We are in such a turmoil and our arch enemies in the name of Allah are at every border just waitng to take us over. They will have the Mother Mosque right there at ground zero.

    • David

      Give it up already Mark. The planet you are living on has drifted so far away from planet Earth that it is just barely seen or heard any more and apparently will soon be totally gone from the scene. That day cannot come soon enough.

      • Ted Crawford

        He can’t Dave! He must remain a faithful deciple of comrade alinsky! He knows no other way!!

    • s c

      While I can’t speak for every conservative in America, it’s obvious that you believe in everything your ‘Savior’ does and says. You think he can do no wrong. You think you are part of a mindset that will “change” America.
      I won’t waste my time or yours, trying to get you to understand the path you’re on, chum. Have the CHARACTER and the SELF-RESPECT to DEMAND that The Anointed One send people to Arizona to CLEAN UP the environmental disaster created by hordes of ILLEGALS who cross into Arizona.
      If you can do that, we’ll know you aren’t a candidate for the nearest mental asylum. Otherwise, you and The Anointed One deserve each other – and don’t be surprised to learn that your temporary insanity will turn to instant crap when you need it least. If your middle name isn’t Judas, get it
      changed. Then we’ll know who you are when you try to hide under a rock.

      • http://yahoo.com William Osborne Sr.

        One thing you forgot S.C., you have Richardson as the governor out in New Mexico who refuses to close the borders and has issued orders that the Police will not arrest any illegals coming in through New Mexico. I worked in Albuquerque for 23 years, the state is probably about 80% mexican, 4% white and the rest is black, chinese and other races. Richardson stands firm on not arresting any illegals and not transporting them back to Mexico. Albuquerque probably has something in the vicinity of over 100,000 illegals living there now! How do I know, I am in constant contact with several friends in Albuquerque that has all this information!

        • PC_Bob

          Years ago, when I lived in California and we had to travel through New Mexico, we learned the hard way not to stop at ANY fast food places in that state. We were told by people who lived there NOT to eat at any of those places. Once, we stopped at a well know place and there was a sign on the front door from the Health Department, warning everyone that the place had failed the health inspection and that if you ate there you did so at your own risk. Locals just walked around us and the sign and went inside. The places looked dirty and unkempt. The workers all looked like they had just left Mexico that morning. As a contrast, on a recent vacation to Puerto Vajarta, the fast food restaurants in town were all clean and well-kept. What has happened to New Mexico?

      • Ted Crawford

        Isn’t it also interesting S C, that this administration is using the newly empowered EPA to restrict, and in some cases, even eliminate the Border Patrols ability to secure the border, while totally ignoring the HUGH environmental damage created by the cast-offs of these illegals? You know those darn tire tracks might bother the ground squirrls!
        They have, effectively, ceeded an 80 mile wide strip of American soil to the illegals, rather than allow the Border Patrol to operate motorized vehicals in that area!

    • bbstacker

      “off the” mark: dude, check who was running congress. Keep on blaming “W”, while Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Hoyer, et al continue to laugh at folks like you who actually believe that the prez makes any law–and those who do make law continue to subvert the Constitution and your Liberty and Freedom. You’re busy doing the useless things that they propagandize, and you’re proving 24/7 that they are performing the “alinsky dance” and the “cloward-piven” shuffle extremely well. Keep on drinking that kook-aid, dude. The same pack of jackals that drove the housing market off the cliff are the same ones still driving the bus you’re duct taped into–the liberals like Bahnee Fwank are still in the background allowing lending practices that destroyed credit and hundreds of billions in wealth.

    • Paul

      Exactly what looks ‘fixed’ to you, Mark?

      We haven’t had a right wing president since the 1980′s, so the current mess has to be attributed to the ‘government can fix it’ crowd. A real right wing president does not bail out corporations, add to the debt, or create incentives for home ownership. He would want to kill Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac instead of expand them. Instead, he would keep taxes, debt, and government small. I’ve learned over the past ten years that ‘Compassionate conservative’ is just another word for liberal.

      • Bob Wire

        We have had Rino’s and Cino’s , Republicians and Christians in name only.

        • Bob Wire

          Hey! they wear your banner and you bought the package, just as you buy this one.

          So what makes you so clever now? Are you brighter now?

      • Vippy

        The only ones not agreeing with the bank bailouts were we, the people.
        All of the politicians agreed. With the Bush years, who drove this country into the ground, the mess started and now we are trying to recuperate but we goofed big time when we did not vote out the old dogs in the senate. Those are all the ones blocking him and telling him how to steer the bus. All the recent reform bills, don’t know who concocted them, are a waste of time and no sincere effort in getting anything straight. Vote 3rd party, for both parties are corrupt beyond belief.

        • PC_Bob

          “…Both parties are corrupt beyond belief.” Both parties have been infiltrated and taken over by the progressives, so they are both parts of the same thing. In the past the progressives were know by their generic names, communist’s. Now they have acquired a patina of respectability by presenting themselves as Democrats. The Democrats will vote for anyone, just so long as they are not a Republican. Thus, the nickname of Yellow Dog Democrats. A Democrat will vote for anything, even a yellow dog, if it’s a Democrat. The old, “Well, it was good enough for my pappy…” Don’t think. Don’t wonder. Don’t ask questions. And above all, don’t confuse them with facts, for their mind’s are already made up.

          Trying to have a debate with a liberal is like trying to argue with a pig. It just infuriates the pig.

          • eddie47d

            Politically correct Bob, The Republicans have been taken over by their generic name;Fascist! Talking to a Republican is like talking to the rear end of an Elephant. Only higher piles of sh*t.

          • kate8

            And we have yet another profound pronouncement from eddie.

          • rwnut

            eddie47d…And a Democrat has an ass on both ends.Two higher piles of shit!

          • Bob Wire

            SO? who stinks less? ~ Is that where this is going?

            I just viewed “Boggie man” ~ A story about Lee Atwater’s political life.

            WOW! ~ can “one person” make a difference? ~ WoW! “a must see” if you have any interest in American Politic !

            >>Harvey LeRoy “Lee” Atwater (February 27, 1951(1951-02-27) – March 29, 1991) was an American political consultant and strategist to the Republican party. He was an advisor of U.S. Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush and Chairman of the Republican National Committee.<>“Generous in spirit and nimble in technique, this riveting documentary about the Republican operative (who died of a brain tumor in 1991) reveals a scrappy genius rife with contradictions.”- Jeannette Catsoulis, NY Times Critic’s Pick

            “A compelling portrait…Stefan Forbes’ film is a fascinating study with telling interviews.” – UK Telegraph

            “In the can’t-look-away documentary “Boogie Man: The Lee Atwater Story,” there is more than one moment that will likely pop your jaw open…Wow.” – Neely Tucker, Washington Post #1 Can’t Miss Pick

            “A cunning and brilliantly edited documentary” – The Montreal Gazette

            “It will evoke blood-spitting rage or resounding awe. Either way, it’s a hugely entertaining, efficiently crafted documentary about a ruthless, if undeniably clever, American political force.” – Gary Goldstein, LA Times

            “Dazzling” – Stephen Schaefer, Boston Herald

            “A fascinating portrait of an almost likable rogue…It makes a companion piece to Oliver Stone’s W…a remarkable portrait…heartbreaking.” – Roger Ebert, Chicago Sun-Times

            “Astonishing and compelling” – Jeffrey Lyons, Reel Talk

            “Excellent…astounding…will stick to your ribs like molasses on barbecue.” – Linda Stasi, NY Post

            “Director Stefan Forbes has assembled a brilliantly complex portrait that shines an unnerving light on the man who painted the landscape of contemporary American politics.” – Johnathan F. Richards, Film.com

            “Fascinating!” – Ella Taylor, LA Weekly Critic’s Pick

            “This finely crafted political biography dissects and explains the nastiness of US politics during the past three decades like nothing I have read or viewed. It nails down every claim it makes…it will make you seethe. Don’t miss this documentary.” – David Zurawik, Baltimore Sun

            “An excellent and frightening documentary” – Gerald Peary, Boston Phoenix

            “Immensely relevant, compelling…Honestly, every adult in America should see it before casting another vote.” – Elizabeth Weitzman, NY Daily News

            “Stefan Forbes’ incisive portrait of the late, infamous Republican consultant is a chronicle of how the culture war took over American politics. As such, it could scarcely be more timely…terrific!” – Owen Gleiberman, Entertainment Weekly

            “Wholly engrossing” – London Sunday Times

            “One of the very best political documentary films of the year…powerful and strangely moving…Avoiding the didactic tone of too many political films, director Stefan Forbes has created a fascinating biopic…a terribly relevant warning about what is coming as Atwater’s heirs unveil the distortions and distractions they hope will elect John McCain.” – Joe Conason, NY Observer

            “A compelling portrait of one of the great con men of modern American politics…bracing…worth watching…why are we so easily manipulated into voting our fears?” – Patrick Goldstein, LA Times

            “Scalpel-sharp…induces shivers.” – Steven Winn, San Francisco Chronicle

            “Can you understand American politics if you don’t understand Lee Atwater? I believe not.” – Tucker Eskew, Senior McCain/Palin Advisor

            “A model of sharp pacing. Lensing and interviewees are faultless.” – Variety

            “A balanced portrait of Atwater’s quest for power and celebrity…Lee Atwater was a mastermind and a rogue, a genius and charlatan, a visionary and a liar…Boogie Man captures all of this and is must viewing for anyone who seeks to understand my former partner, Lee Atwater. – Roger Stone, StoneZone.com

            “Amazing” – Doug Polisin, Movie Maker Magazine

            “Mesmerizing, remarkable…a sensationally entertaining doc… it could cash in on election fever and rope in some true believers on both sides, perhaps even drawing Oscar’s attention…writer/director Stefan Forbes has crafted one of the most useful and eye-opening political documentaries of our times.” – BoxOffice.com

            “I thought I’d seen enough of American electoral politics until I watched Boogie Man. This is a superb film – caustic, humorous and totally unforgiving.” – Nick Fraser, BBC Commissioning Editor

            “A masterpiece” – Thom Hartmann, The Thom Hartmann Show

            “Rambunctious…eye-opening” – The New York Sun

            “Phenomenally good. A riveting look into the life and mind of Lee Atwater, the mastermind of contemporary slash-and-burn politics.” – Drew Westen, author, The Political Brain

            “Intense…compelling…will touch hearts on both sides of the aisle.” – Christian Toto, The Washington Times

            “A timely exploration of the rise of the Right, the forces shaping modern politics, and a humanistic, mirror-like indictment of American repression, power-lust, and complicity. Without a trace of pandering, Forbes takes us on a riotous journey through the last few decades in search of our collective American soul.” – Taylor Segrest, Documentary Magazine

            “Fascinating” – Ella Taylor, Village Voice

            “A provocative, timely, and compelling film.” – Barbara Kopple

            “Gov’t. Mule and Lightning Hopkins are part of the coolest blues soundtrack you will ever hear on a political documentary.” – Ian Johns, London Observer

      • TeresaE

        Ummm, while Reagan was a great man and President, you might want to double check your facts.

        Chrysler received a HUGE bailout.

        The fall out from the “War on Drugs” destroyed our rights to property and due process.

        Wake UP. NO politician is perfect and none have clean hands.

    • Al Sieber

      Mark, what did Obama fix? the economy by throwing money at the banks? he voted for the bailout in 2008 when Bush was president so he contributed to the problem. Obama better step from his ambitions of a Socialist dictator or our economy will never recover under his pathetic leadership. has he kept any campaign promises? everything is a excuse with this guy, and they keeping put the blame on the former occupant of the White House, it’s time for them to start accepting the responsiblity for their own actions.

      • eddie47d

        I don’t believe any winner in the 2008 election would be doing any better. Not John McCain,Not Sarah Palin and we could actually be in a worst mess.

        • Al Sieber

          eddie, I didn’t vote for McCain the last election, I wrote in Ron Paul, I didn’t vote for Bush either, I voted the Constitutional party. a vote for either party is a vote against the constitution. McCain is my senator here and he’s a lying traitor. and DaveH, I never heard you mention Rush Limbaugh. we need to get rid of these career criminals running this country.

          • dan of arizona

            hey al i fully agree with that i hope ron runs again

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Sorry to break your bubbly fast eddie, but I truly believe Pee Wee Herman could have done a better job that this usurper in office now. At least he would admit to playing with himself and doing nothing else. Obummer is a puppet, and only a puppet. And unfortunately for all of us, those jerks behind the scenes dont know what they are doing, and they dont have a clue, no direction, and no plan. All they know, is that they are going to throw him under the bus and run Hillary in 2012. Watch and see. And that will define what a loser he has been, when his own party wont let him run for re-election. The only possible thing that could save him, is his skin color. Thats it.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Bla, bla, bla, bla, bla. More excuses. Its been two years, and still theyve done nothing but point fingers. Its gotten old pal, real old.

      • Bob Wire

        kinda like what you do every other post? bla bla bla, call names and place blame. It really gets old and I have stopped all but reading them, left to scan over lightly for any content.

        Chip ? What is of all of this?

        >>”The very next day, the White House announced that President Obama was flying to Las Vegas for a special campaign appearance on behalf of his beleaguered Senate majority leader. Those of us at FreedomFest probably wouldn’t have known anything about it, except for one thing: Because of security considerations, the Las Vegas airport and all the airspace in a 20-mile radius was closed for most of the afternoon to all traffic except Air Force One.

        Obama couldn’t have known (and probably wouldn’t have cared if he did) that as a result, our final speaker of the day was not allowed to land. We had invited Greg Mortenson, author of the runaway best-seller Three Cups of Tea, to tell us about his experiences building schools for impoverished children, mostly young girls, in Afghanistan and Pakistan. His plane circled the area for nearly two hours before it was allowed to land 90 miles away.

        We quickly shuffled the schedule so he would be the first speaker the next morning.”<<<

        Come on Wood Chips! give us a break ~ some of us have busy lives. Making round pegs fit in square holes is a normal day for us. These two,~ three paragraphs are senior ladies for "tea" conversation for the more anal retentive ones.

        The author Greg Mortenson, got bumped! and everything worked out fine.
        ~ That mean ole Obama (the president of the United States) interfered, please permit me to extent my deepest apologizes to all displace and put out as I feel Obama would if he'd know the high importance of Author Mortenson's message.

    • DaveH

      “No good deed goes unpunished”? Funny, that’s the phrase my crooked, thieving brother uses a lot. Birds of a feather flock together?

  • DownToEarth

    Hey Mark, The Right Wing of this country didn’t give us this mess. It was the Democrats who were in charge of the banking system which caused the melt down. Barney Frank, a Democrat, is in charge of this whole mess and was told by the Right Wing and financial guru’s to put regulation in… he didn’t! He made banks give bad loans out or lose their FDIC!

    • Bob Wire

      How do you make a bank do anything? We seem to be having difficulty in getting them to do the “right thing” while you suggest it’s easy for one man to get them to do the “wrong thing”.

      I sorry that story you might buy, but it’s just not working for me. Perhaps you should consider rethinking that.

      • Brad

        Bob Wire,

        Just google CRA to find out how it all started then you will find out when Clinton was in office they tweeked CRA to make easier for banks to loan money. While we are on the subject of congress, who chairs the financial reform committee, your friend Barney Franks. Wasn’t it Barney who said both Fannie and Freddie where sound financial institutions. They where the ones who told the banks to start lending more and more and by the way don’t worry about making sure the prospective buyer can pay. Then came the banks with their new loan contracts; ie, intrest only, 2-28 better well known as ARMs, lump sume ARMs and the list goes on. Where was the regulation from congress, Barney said don’t worry nothing is wrong, look what that got us, the worst financial melt down and the loss of over 8 million jobs you moron. So, I blame the rats (democrats) and congress for the mess we are in and I blame you for putting lame people in congress that corrupted our great nation.

        • Bob Wire

          out of the last 30 years,22 were GOP controlled ~ when are you going to accept the results of this? ~ Never is my guess. You refuse to accept responsibility as do the agents that represent you.

          And here you are today ~ hiding behind a Tea Party ~ all dressed up like native Indians, hiding behind painted faces, on the war path threatening civil disobedience and 2nd amendment solution’s if you don’t get your way!

          I’d love to sit here and fight with you more but I’ve got men showing up and on the clock and a business to run.

          But really ! when are you going to take “SOME” responsibility for current affairs?

          WHEN?!! grow up!

          My decisions are not the best ! but given what I had to chose from , much better then yours!

          Have a great day!

          • Allan

            When will you accept Dems responsibility for manipulating housing loans to achieve social engineering?

          • http://www.cafepress.com/TradThoughts UnPCsMOM

            bobwire says: And here you are today ~ hiding behind a Tea Party ~ all dressed up like native Indians, hiding behind painted faces, on the war path threatening civil disobedience and 2nd amendment solution’s if you don’t get your way!

            Please enlighten me… how is this any different from your typical liberals every weekend, their reaction to any verdict they disagree with or their party in the street anarchy protests over anything and everything???…
            I’d L@ve to hear the explanation of how they are different other than the known FACT that the Tea Party is violent!

          • http://www.cafepress.com/TradThoughts UnPCsMOM

            Correction: other than the known fact that the Tea Party is NOT violent!

            and YOU tell others to “grow up” well guess what…I’ve not only grown up but grown old, sick and tired of the games BOTH political parties play…but the Dem’s want their fun and games financed by every tax payer.

            GET REAL, GROW UP and PAY YOUR OWN WAY!!!

          • JeffH

            You’ll all have to excuse the liberal Bob Wire…he’s in his own little world constantly jabbering to himself…like a good little liberal. OOP! There I go labeling again.
            Hey BW, tell us again about the Tea Party movement again…please?

          • DaveH

            For those truth-challenged people. Remember, Congress passes the laws:
            http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm

          • DaveH

            Show me the Tea Party violence, Bob.

            I’ll show you the Liberal violence:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaVahxDhWfM

          • kate8

            DaveH, You’re trying to convince a lib with facts and evidence.

            Lib’s tactics are to confound the mind with nonsense. One of you clever guys should dish some of their own medicine back to them. I’d love to see them squirm.

          • DaveH

            Kate,
            I do often fight fire with fire, but I try hard not to stoop to their level unless they draw first blood.
            I was brought up in a very rough neighborhood, so I would have no trouble going toe to toe with them with manipulative tactics, but I would much rather fight with facts than to stoop to their level.

          • rwnut

            Bub War…Tea Party violence? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FM-ezylcAU

          • kate8

            DaveH, I believe you, and I know you can hold your own.

            You wouldn’t have to stoop to their level to use their tactic of mind-boggling. Doesn’t have to be nasty. Just make their minds tilt a bit.

          • Bob Wire

            Boy! You people go nuts! It’s the disguise! the hiding! as you “threaten ” violence! Got iT??? ~ I’ll accept the violence!

            if you would stand and duke it out! instead of hiding! May the best win! ~

            You won’t make the stand and be counted!

            Even now, you want to subject people to SB1070 while you yourself refusing to put your John Hancock on political contributions or think the people you support should!

            Now what kind of thinking creates that? Tell me!

      • Brad

        Also Bob Wire,

        Both Fannie and Freddie are into the fed for over 100 billion dollars, so we now own freddie and fannie go figure, they were private corporations weren’t they? Also why wasn’t fannie and freddie ever mention in the financial reform bill, they started this mess?

        • Bob Wire

          I can’t defend that~ it’s true ~ I don’t think anyone planned to see a downturn ~ It was business as usual and hope springs eternal.

          Few see Bernie Maddoff ~ making off with their loot!

          100 billion ~ in housing across the US ~ is really not that much, plus the money is no gone ! but tied up!

          How about 4 trillion for wars to no where, ~ how about a billion a day to keep them going? ~~ That money that’s GONE!

          It’s just money ~ so what monies do you want to discuss next?

          Where is your mind wanting to go to justify your feelings and ideas?

          Who do you want to blame? You are the one that bought the ticket to ride. How are you enjoying it so far?

          • Las Vegas Jim

            Bob Wire has it together. Right wing nuts have no answers for him because they are blinded by Limbaugh and Faux News. Wake up, right wing nuts, and smell the roses.

          • Brad

            Bob at times make for a compelling arguement, but look at the bigger picture, the war on terror has been going on for how long 8 year’s that’s 4 trillion spread over the same time frame. You talk about money what about the monies being spent on illegal immigrants just in education and medical (415 billion annually) X 10 year’s its a staggering 4.15 trillion so what’s your point. Government is out of control neither you nor I can change that but what we can change is the direction this country needs to go. First is to quit spending money like a drunken sailor Obamas congress is doing that to us right now, which you have neglected to mention. Also the CBO came out earlier this year and revised the cost if the HCR bill, it’s now going to cost us 1.4 trillion over ten years, they forgot to add the total cost to administer HCR.

          • Brad

            Bob you blame me for my stance, I blame you for not having an open mind and not thinking for yourself and bringing new ideas that will help our country. Right now the only thing you bring to the table is the past and hate get over it, bring yourself into the 21st century and work to better out country instead of brining it down.

          • rwnut

            Las Vegas Jim….Bub War is like trying to read Hussien O.’s health scare scam. It can’t be done. He’s why the loonie left is called loonie. I decided a long time ago,not much of what Bub says is worth answering,let alone reading.Mostly hogwash. Welcome aboard Las Vegas Jim. How do you like me now?

          • Las Vegas Jim

            rwnut,

            I like you okay – it’s your ignorance in following the right wing nut talking heads and poison pens that I dislike. Stop idolizing those creeps, and grow up and think for yourself. You will be better off for it in the long run.

          • DaveH

            So Bernie Madoff is responsible for the collapse, Bob?
            Get some education. There are many books out there that detail the roots of the bubble and collapse. Thomas Sowell’s “The Housing Boom and Bust” would be a good starting place.

            And I am curious, Bob, where did you get the $4 Trillion figure?
            I don’t think we should be the world’s policemen either, but I think your figure is unsupportable.

          • rwnut

            Las Vegas Jim….We can’t smell the roses anymore because there’s to many Democratic,leftwing,liberal,loonie asses fouling the air!

          • rwnut

            Las Vegas Jim…I followed your side for 30 years till Slick Willie Clinton got his eggs scrambled by Monica,and it woke me up.I know,you’d rather I follow someone like your buddy Chris(trickle down his leg)Matthews,or your proven liar leader Hussein O. Thanks for the advice,but,no thanks. Been there and seen that shit! Made me sick!

      • marvin

        Bob Wire ever heard of acorn aclu naacp setting up picket of fred and fran and the banks

        • eddie47d

          The Mouth that roared! Have you ever heard of the Klan,the U.S. Chamber of Commerce>The Senior Coalition,The Keating scandal(banks),Enron,Lehman Bros. and all the others who have “drugged” America. We could go tit for tat on that.

          • kate8

            eddie, I can’t speak to the affiliations of most of those folks, but the Klan was made up SOLELY of democrats!

            Stop trying to foster the lie that it was a Republican group. Slave owners were DEMOCRATS. The opposition to the civil rights movement were the DEMOCRATS. Now, minorities are still being held in bondage by…..are you ready? DEMOCRATS.

            Put down that cup of kool-aid and start taking an interest in FACTS.
            I know it will be a challenge.

          • Las Vegas Jim

            kate8,

            Has history been rewritten for all of us, or are you the only one it has been rewritten for?

          • kate8

            Well LVJ, progressives have been trying to rewrite it, but there are still some of us who were around at the time of MLK, and know the history.

            Do some real research, and……eat crow.

          • rwnut

            Las Vegas Jim…Put another quarter in that slot,squeeze your legs together reeaaal tight,close your eyes and wait till you hear the bells,then scream JACKPOT three times.It’s a gauranteed winner for a liberal loonie everytime! One free Demo-Donkey button.

          • eddie47d

            Kate 8: I’ve known for years that the klan were mostly in the Democrat Party up until the late 60′s. Then the Liberal Democrats went South and kicked A*s and told them they wouldn’t put up with their crap anymore. The South turned Republican and guess where the Klan went? Now yor Party get’s to deal with those fanatics.

          • kate8

            eddie, I’m sure you wish that were true.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Question is, when Bob Wire, fast eddie and Las Vegas Jim all get together, how many crack rocks do they smoke? Im really wondering, because it must be a whole lot judging by the illusions they all 3 seem to have about things. Ive never seen such a “ghostly trio” pervert the truth so much like this. Its almost like having Durbin, Pelosi and Reid in the same room. Amazing. Im thinking clones.

          • Bob Wire

            >>”Beberoni says:
            July 26, 2010 at 3:06 pm

            Question is, when Bob Wire, fast eddie and Las Vegas Jim all get together, how many crack rocks do they smoke? “<<

            The Question is Beberoni, what do you know about crack?
            The Question is Bereroni, ~ just how long are you going to be a lap puppy for special interest?
            The Question is Bereroni, when are you going to learn to chew your own food and not depend on other people to chew it for you?
            The Question is Bereroni, when will your presence be of little value to special interest and they see no need of you anymore.
            The Question is Bereroni, when are you going to understand special interest is not about people but Quarterly P&L statements, if you are not necessary, you won't be a consideration.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Ok dummy, here is the short version, so youll be educated on this, and now you’ll know. Bill Clinton decided that everyone should have the American dream of buying a house. So him and his ilk, put together a group, led by Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick, and they set up certain Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac funds, and the government told the banks to lend money to anyone that wanted to buy a house, and the government would back the loans. So these guys lent money to people who didnt have a snow balls chance in hell of paying it back. Pretty soon the government funds were running out. Bush admin noticed something wasnt right here, and called for an investigation. Problem is, Clinton set up Barney Frank, another high ranking democrat, as the head of the oversight committee that was in charge of keeping an eye on this type of thing. Barney told the Bush admin that everything was ok, and no investigation was needed. In the mean time, Raines and Gorelick were writing million dollar bonuses to their democratic friends like drunken sailors out of these funds. Soon the banks loans were backed anymore, the banks went broken and started collapsing, and the liberal media made it appear to the public that the Bush admin was responsible, when their hands were clean of this thing. It was all Clinton, Raines, Gorelick, Frank, and a few other high ranking democrats. They should all be in jail for what theyve done, but somehow they have all avoided prosecution, because the democrats run and own everything, and the left wing media is all democrat, so they fleeced all this money, and get a free ride. There, now you know. If you doubt any of this, look into it and you’ll see. Now you know, the rest of the story.

        • DaveH

          Beberoni,
          In the midst of the bubble, people like myself were wondering, where is the government with all this wild lending going on? Little did most of us know that the government was pushing the wild lending.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            It was, Bill Clintons idea of giving the American Dream to everyone, where as we all know the American Dream is something we all work for, and dont have it give to us. Of course, he knew he wouldnt be around when it all came crumbling down, and they could always resort to the democratic playbook, and point fingers and place blame on someone else. And that is exactly what they did. Imagine that.

        • Las Vegas Jim

          Your post is the most absurd that I have read on this forum.

          First, Congress passes laws, not presidents.

          Second, Republicans ruled the roost in Congress for six years of the Clinton presidency. Since Congress passes laws, the Republicans screwed up.

          Third, if Barney Frank pulled the wool over Bush’s eyes, who is the stupid one?

          Fourth, Democrats own everything?

          Fifth, “these guys lent money to people who didnt have a snow balls chance in hell of paying it back” is a stupid statement. It wasn’t the older mortgages that failed, it was the new ones and the refis that took place while guess who was president.

          There are a lot more bullet holes in your fabrication, but I haven’t the time nor the inclination to expose them all. You already are looking pretty bad and uninformed.

          • DaveH

            You take whichever side of the fence suits your argument, don’t you Jim?
            In your earlier comments it was all Presidents, now it’s Congresses. Would you make up your mind, Ignorant Liberal?
            The banks were coerced into making those risky loans by Liberal Organizations, and by Government policies which began in Clinton’s time.
            The information on the Boom and Bust is easy to obtain, if you really want to know, but I suspect that, being a Liberal, you would much rather swelter in your Ignorance.
            And you should know all about fabrications since you are a Liberal. If it isn’t name-calling, or ridiculing, it’s fabricated facts. The tools of the Liberal trade.

          • DaveH
          • Claire

            Las Vegas Jim–You are correct, Congress passes the laws and it is up to the President to veto them. Has he vetoed any? If he has, I am not aware of this. However, this president has allowed laws to be passed that were not worthy. A majority of these laws were not “kosher” as far as I am concerned. They packed too much pork, and left out a lot of items that would have benefited America and all Americans. All for the sake of getting votes so that these inept laws could be passed. These laws were passed just for the “sake” of being passed and just so the administration could say they were “doing something.” It took a year for health reform–a whole year wasted–and we ended up with a package that left out the public option and the fact that people would be “fined” if they did not have insurance. I ask you–if people are broke, how in hell can they buy insurance? A whole year they worked on health reform-they should have worked on the economy and jobs first and foremost. After all, people have to have a job in order to buy insurance, don’t they? Now he has passed extended unemployment benefits. If this administration had worked on the economy and job situation first, perhaps this law would not have been passed.
            They should have brought our troops home, although I realize the Repubs and Dems both were in favor of prolonging this “debatable” war. They should have done away with the illegals. I am tired of taking care of these illegals, aren’t you? I would rather have our soldiers home protecting our own borders, and making sure our soldiers have a good life when they do come home. To me, our soldiers come first–not the dang illegals. Obama should never have made all those promises when he was campaigning, especially since he could not keep any of those promises. As far as I am concerned, he has not done much of anything–half-assed health reform, half-assed laws? Everything comes with a price tag. Now Americans will have to reap what this administration has sown.
            He also promised NO MORE lobbyists. What happened? From the way he spoke, I thought everything would be on the “up and up” and then after he arrived in the White House, he surrounded himself with the likes of Holder and Geithner, and others. You can sing their praises all you want, but I cannot buy into this political game-playing and these men leave a lot to be desired in the reputation department.
            Another comment–Obama seems weak, unable to make a quick decision on his own. Take the oil spill, exactly WHY did he drag his feet on this? This entire administration were lax and not on the ball. They did NOT react quickly and efficiently. To me, the oil spill was a crucial matter and it still is. If I were the POTUS I would have been on this disaster like bees on honey. I would be knocking some heads together, anything–to get it taken care of quickly before so much damage was done. This tells me this administration does not give a crap about the environment, they did not care about the loss of tourism trade, the fishermens’ ability to make a living, the beaches, and the marine life. I will never forgive this administration for the total lack of intelligence in handling this oil spill. Now I hear the fish, lobster, etc. is okay to eat. Do you believe this? I don’t. This oil has polluted the Gulf in the worst possible way.
            I expect honesty, fairness, ethics, intelligence, rational thinking, and this administration appears to have none of these characteristics. All I see is just another administration trying their best to make themselves look good just to be re-elected. This administration is no better than all the others.

          • Vicki
          • kate8

            Vicki, That second video packs a whallop.

            I don’t think McCain was a good choice, either, but it doesn’t matter. The PTB have never allowed the same party 2 consecutive presidents. A president may hold 2 terms, but the next one will be the other party.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Sorry Billy Jim Bob, your wrong again. The president cant just go and do anything he wants like you think. This was set up, with an oversight committee. The head of the oversight committee, Barney Frank, out and out lied. And he should have been put in jail for it, you know, like when Clinton lied under oath also. But for some reason, and I really dont understand why, democrats dont ever have to go to jail. I mean they are actually allowed to drive drunk, crash their car and kill young women, and they walk away. Unbelievable. You can deny the facts, buts its all true and you know it. And it wasnt Bush, it was the Bush administration that stood up and called for the investigation, but they couldnt force it. It was the job of the oversight committee, who said everything was just peachy. They lied and all of them should be in jail. Raines, Gorelick, Dodd, Frank, every stinking last one of them. And yes it was these loans that crashed banks, and yes the most recent ones were the straw that broke the camel’s back. And your hero Billy was behind the whole thing, the one with the guilt on this. Same guy that sold our technology to China and sold our Jobs to Mexico, and raised taxes more than any president in history. Now, once again, these are all facts, and you cannot change history. Yet you hold this loser as your here. Shows what your made of. And you back this anti-American muslim president who gives terrorists we catch trying to kill us, lawyers to defend them, using our hard earned money to pay them. And you back this behavior. Your a sick man, and need to leave the country. Or just stay out there in the left arm pit of the world, Las Vegas. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, so you happened there, please stay there. The rest of us dont want you around our children.

        • Bob Wire

          I don’t read anything that starts out, “Okay Dummy”

    • hflashman

      Simplistic errnoeus claptrap. When you want to learn about what caused the financial mes we’re in, please do so. But don’t take the superficial claptrap spread by the GOP, the wacked right, and FOX News (now there’s a bit of false advertising…FOX “news” … jeesh…)

      • Brad

        Hey hflashman,

        At least Fox news brings both sides of the debate to the table, what has the lame stream media brought. Inquiring minds want to know?

        • Vippy

          sorry, wrong! For real news you have to read many papers. You get no news but opinions from all the major networks.

        • WeNeedExpertsNotPundits

          Hi Brad,

          Fox News is a disingenuous “news” organization. It is used to spread a message. It is very effective, but not its journalism. They admittedly have an agenda. (Here is a link to an interview with R. Murdoch where he talks about this- His company owns/operates Fox News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K2pLo8JV5Y ) If you agree with me that we need lower taxes, less govt, and less spending, we need change. In order to have change, we need more people at the poles. In order to have more people at the poles, we need to convince people that our ideas are right, and just. WE CANNOT do this by simply repeating what we see on Fox or hear on Rush. THEY MAKE MONEY when we are mad. In order to have independent voters see it our way we need credibility. This can only come from a dialog based on concrete, researched facts- from experts such as economists or historical perspective, not pundits. Let’s shut off Fox and Rush and start real debate.

          • Margaret

            Fox News, Rush, Beck, O’Reilly are the only examples of free press left! Let’s just shut down all who speak against the White House or Congress. They make money, but that’s what liberty and capitalism is all about! Protect it or lose it!!!

          • WeNeedExpertsNotPundits

            Hi Margaret,

            Thank you for the comment. There are literally thousands of media outlets, and you are saying “only” theses guys speak out against the white house? You are not trying very hard, and this is exactly what my post is about. You have to look at what experts say about the economy, and look at what we have learned from history. We have the right ideas for our country- less taxes, less gov’t… we need to get independents and dems who are on the fence to understand why. For long term change in our govt we need to construct our message better. The way we communicate to our political opponents is not going to change their thinking. Our side lacks credibility because we focus spit venom with out the bite. The bite comes from our beliefs rooted in facts. If you tell someone that spending $1 trillion on a stimulus plan is a bad idea, you better know why. Saying “because govt spending in a deficit situation is a bad idea” is not going to work. You have to understand why its bad, based on economic law and historical examples, not because that is simply how you feel. You are not going convince anyone to change their minds unless you have cred. Rush and Fox do not have credibility because they need passion. They need a divided country in order to be relevant.

          • kate8

            “Natural selection” has been shutting down the liberal media outlets. People are wise to their propaganda and cover-ups.

            Now they have to try to silence the more conservative media, since too many people are listening to them. It’s putting a crimp in their propaganda machine.

        • Bob Wire

          BRAD, that’s not exactly true . ~ All networks offer omissions.

          When I’ve had the time, I’ve checked them out on several news cycles ~ They pander to their viewers. What the viewers want to hear is what they offer.

          Example ; Msbn won’t cover Gore’s transgression where FOX will preview them. While Fox will omit unflattering news about the GOP, as women lobbyist and GOP member’s cavorting around DC. They bury a lot of information.

          All are bias! You left to watch both and read the papers! if you want to know what happening.

          Fox ~ “can” and often does offers more baseless spin on stories, As they attempt to create news and focus for the party faithful.

          You don’t heard much about Steele and GOP spending on Fox.

          I’m sick of all of them these days.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Cmon man, your sick. The propaganda lies are spread by ABC,NBC,CBS, CNN AND MSNBC, who dont even allow conservatives to speak their point. They invite them on, tell lies, then dont let them speak, then its over. You sir, are a communist socialist, and need to exit this great country immediately, because you evidently take for granted the freedoms we have thanks to the men and women in uniform, of whom some gave all, and you discredit their efforts with your sick lies and your distorted understanding of the truth. Shame on you.

        • DaveH

          All any of us can do is read as much as we can, listen as much as we can, think as much as we can, and then make informed decisions. Here is a point of view that many on this board have not been exposed to:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMx16cWCi90

          • Claire

            DaveH– I have never relied on TV News channels–There are either right wing or left wing. I want to hear the truth not their mumbo jumbo. I flip from one to the other, and they all “report” a different “opinion” on each item that is supposed to be news. The radio talk show hosts are exactly that–talk show hosts and they get apid a fortune for spreading their dissent. It seems like a person has to do a lot of searching to get the actual truth nowadays.

          • Claire

            Dang! “paid”

          • DaveH

            Different opinions are good, Claire. Remember that those reporters are just human. It is up to you and me to filter through the crap and decide what makes sense and what doesn’t. Don’t be afraid to think outside the box (I don’t think you are).

          • rwnut

            Claire…They give their “opinions”. Then you have to decide which one is closest to the truth.

          • Claire

            DaveH– I can think outside the box alright, it is just that I don’t like what I hear outside the box nor inside the box! It is a crap shoot. LOL

          • Claire

            rwnut— Yes, a person has to find out the real truth themselves and form their own opinion. I am the type of person that thinks that the handling/observation of issues should be black and white–there should be no gray in-between. (And I do not refer to racism.) I refer to what is right and what is wrong, no namby pamby crap. Call a spade a spade (again, no racism intended.) I sometimes think I expect too much from a politician, after all, a person cannot get blood out of a turnip.
            I am a firm believer in honesty and I haven’t seen this attribute for many years, I don’t see it now, nor do I see it in the future. I offtimes think some of the people from this site would be more honest and trustworthy. It appears to me that an average, and law-abiding person would be better than we have now. A person that would go back to the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and conduct the country’s affairs accordingly. I guess you can tell I am really disappointed in the political system. I am disappointed in both parties, since they have destroyed so much that was good for America.

          • kate8

            Claire, you are right. We’ve gone from understanding right from wrong to “relativism”, where there are shades of gray, cultural considerations, emotions, upbringing….

            This is underlying the mess we are in.

        • WeNeedExpertsNotPundits

          Hi Berberoni,

          Thank you for the example, unless you are being satirical? Either way, thanks.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            If it wasnt for the men and women in uniform, I wouldnt be able to sit here now and write this, and we wouldnt have a thing. And its a shame that the freedom these people give us and keep giving us, is taken advantage of and turned around and used against this country and its moral fabric, mostly generating from the left wing liberals. Its a shame. The slam war, yet only through it has peace ever been attained. They would rather sit back, and let these terrorist bastards continue to blow up our buildings and ships and not do anything about it, just like Slick Willy did. If you want peace, by God youve got to fight for it. That is the only way we are going to have it. When would the left start fighting, when it gets into their own backyard? Well guess what left wing, its here. Time to put your pacifism away, and step up and be an American, and fight for this country, and quit protecting those that seek to end us.

          • Claire

            Beberoni–Your words are very true.

        • Bob Wire

          I agree with you completely Beberoni!

          I don’t approve of the way the media is interviewing guest at all!

          This pounce and kill approach ~ is nonproductive and self defeating.

          Guest should be permitted to explain their view and not be subjected to hostile Hosts and limited to sound bits.

          It’s not funny anymore.

          And on the other hand guest should behave themselves and not speak in inflammatory manner.

          There a way to address the issue, a way to tell people to go to hell where they might be looking forward to the trip.

          They tear into Angle ~ so quickly ~ I’d like to hear her say something beyond sound bites.

          I thought Rand Paul held up rather well during the Rachael Maddow attack. ~ He was trying hard! ~ but not allowed the time to develop his argument regarding mandated discrimination. I was left wishing Maddow would just shut up for a minute and let the man speak!

          I liked the man’s approach and thought he had insights worthy consideration and review.

          What we see here on these forum pages is a reflection of today’s media as it fights for the hearts, minds and support of the voting public.

          Little more then a sports event and it’s to hell with the truth and all about our team winning!

      • rwnut

        flashman…Fox News is why your loonie-left,trash “news” channels are going out of business and has no one watching them.

        • rwnut

          Claire….You are right. There’s not much honost,straight-forward news anymore.Fox is about as close as it gets.Limbaugh,Hannity,Beck,and a few others are still trying to bring us the truth.Radio is still a good source. Try this one: Michael Savage,650 AM ON THE DIAL,(west coast)3 P.M.(west coast)Straight-forward,Psychological Nudity!

          • Claire

            rwnut– I am here in Illinois–I will check him out. I have heard of him though. Thanks.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Gimme an Amen from the balcony brother. The liberals really cant seem to figure out why FOX News ratings are so high, and why ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC keep going down. They are even signing on Glenn Beck to try to get their ratings up, but even he cant carry them, because when his show is over, people turn them off. People are tired of hearing their left wing liberal lies, and tired of their gloom and doom and finger pointing placing blame like a spoiled brat kid. Its old and worn out, thats why they are circling the drain. You would think they would finally get it, and understand that people want to hear the truth, not their left wing liberal agenda drivel. Yet they see FOX growing and succeeding, and the model of truth is right in front of them. How stupid can they get? Pretty stupid, because they are all owned by democrats, and we all know they can never admit they are wrong or misguided. Its always someone else’s fault. Yet theyve got no one in this case to blame but themselves, so theyve got no way out. So sad to be them. So sad.

          • Bob Wire

            Okay Beberoni, ~ I’ve been distracted and I return to find the cuff of my pant leg under attack by a horrible 3 pound Cha winnie dog.

            Fox Rating ! ~! the illusion? The fix ? ~ the little train that never could and was never told!

            >> Hi Kathy …

            Your comment today about Glenn Beck’s “falling” Nielsen ratings was bang on, especially when you wondered if the recession has some people cutting off the cable TV.

            It does, but it’s a tiny bit more complex than that.

            * Nielsen’s NATIONAL ratings are measured via an -in-home device called a ‘People Meter’ attached to the TV set … every 15 minutes it not only monitors the channel that is on, but also how many and who is/are in the room presumably watching (via a kind of motion detector device)

            * to be a Neilsen People Meter household you must be able to receive a certain range / number of channels, not just 3 or 4 “over the air” …so that means cable (because, frankly, cable broadcasters are the ones whose Nielsen fees PAY FOR all this technology!)

            * with the recession, many households have had to “trade down” / economize, or even leave their home for cheaper rental accommodation … eventually Nielsen DOES get around to replacing those who drop out, but they’re NOT in any hurry because they’re the ONLY game in town, and the cable broadcaster’s fees just keep rolling in (think of Nielsen’s ratings as being like any government monopoly = overpriced and lousy service!)

            * so there are simply FEWER People Meter households out there, as Nielsen SLOOOOOOOOOWLY gets around to find new household participants …therefore the total number of “viewers” seems to be down, but (in total) it’s not likely down much, just that Nielsen is slow to replace the People Meter drop outs
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

            Fox News Caught In Massive Nielsen Ratings Fraud. It should be noted that the publish date for the article was April 1, 2010. It is important to recognize the traditional significance of that date when evaluating the content of the article.

            The purpose of this update is to respond to ongoing interest in the subject matter. The article has been circulating the Internet via links from prominent media players, including Roger Ebert and Alan Colmes’ LiberalLand. So I thought I would take this opportunity to clarify a couple of points and to offer some analysis of the response.

            First of all, despite the “first day of April” publication, the article’s primary factual assertions are true and documented. Fox News did object to early iterations of Nielsen’s then-new People Meter technology. News Corp did have a prior business relationship with the manufacturers of Nielsen’s set-top ratings collection devices. News Corp was connected to corporate espionage and sabotage, which was reported by Wired Magazine. News Corp did make payoffs to certain parties to suppress a scandal involving email hacking and other violations of privacy of public figures, which was reported by the Guardian. And Rupert Murdoch is enmeshed in a tangled web with businesses and government agencies and leaders in communist China, as reported in Esquire.

            ~~~ and more!

            On yet another occasion Murdoch’s news group engaged some sleazy and illegal behavior to get stories about celebrities and politicians. The Guardian reported that Murdoch paid substantial sums of money to keep this scandal under wraps:

            “Rupert Murdoch’s News Group News­papers has paid out more than £1m to settle legal cases that threatened to reveal evidence of his journalists’ repeated involvement in the use of criminal methods to get stories.

            The payments secured secrecy over out-of-court settlements in three cases that threatened to expose evidence of Murdoch journalists using private investigators who illegally hacked into the mobile phone messages of numerous public ­figures as well as gaining unlawful access to confidential personal data, including tax records, social security files, bank statements and itemised phone bills. Cabinet ministers, MPs, actors and sports stars were all targets of the private investigators.”

            And if that’s not enough, check into the incestuous and disturbing web of connections Murdoch has to the communists in China. Glenn Beck tried to pull the veil off of this one but was censored by his own employer.

            ~~~~ there is no end to rating sleaze ~ but what it does is confirm the illusion of some majority. ~ You people need that affirmation to continue you quest. To Never doubt, never question your lager numbers.

            It’s about like that talking head on Iraq Television, that assure Iraqis that the Americans were being driven off and sustaining heavy losses in their retreat! ~Up to the very last broadcast as US Troops were storming The TV station. ~ and that’s where you find yourself today, Under a media illusion.

        • Bob Wire

          rwnut, that is an illusion that has been developed , package and sold to you by Rupert. It seems to be working rather well. As we hear so often, “The majority of American’s don’t want it!” ~ This illusion is very important for a minority to have. It turns the “little train that couldn’t into the little train that can”.

          In any case, it’s a deliberated fabricated illusion and took some major efforts and behind the scenes, twittering to pull of leaving Glenn Beck laughing all the way to the bank.

          The truth is ! it’s working! and you might well be a majority soon. It only a matter of applied pressure over time and things will move, things will change. ~ If the money don’t run out ! Special Interest will win! Rupert wins! the GOP wins! rwnut wins!

          Your betting with the power of money ~ and I’m betting against it!

          My chances of losing this battle is great.

          I’m not saying the DNC has all the answers or it’s right, fair,or more just, I’m just not impress with the recent 30 years GOP track record as I’ve watched my personal position slip ever closer to what is considered poverty, losing many things both near and dear as I downsize and fortify the castle gates. I’m voting bread and butter issues and not pie in the shy ideologies.

          We got serious issues to address ~ we can argue all day about how we got here. I sent a new captain in to change course and offer new direction. ~ I’m just as annoyed as you, maybe even more so, for I’ve lost much ground the last 30 years. You take 30 years of prosperity away for anyone’s and it’s impossible to ever make it right.

          I might be wrong ~ but I think I represent the Majority of Americans today.

    • dan of arizona

      the one that pushed barney was acorns one and only obumer

  • Brad

    Please watch this youtube video it’s very patriotic and says something that we the people will be heard and the answer will come in November. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVAhr4hZDJE

    • DaveH

      Sorry, Brad, but the mention of Bush and Lincoln weaken the ad.

  • Las Vegas Jim

    Chip,

    I know that this isn’t the proper place for this, but since you provide no forum to expose your lying political crap, here goes.

    I am responding to your Chip Shot mention in today’s Liberty Alert of Rory not using his family name of Reid in his campaign for governor of Nevada. What you wrote, “The only thing that isn’t prominently displayed is his last name.” is a bald-faced lie. For starters, the name of the website is http://www.roryreid.com.

    If that isn’t enough evidence of your throwing political BS at your readers, one of the first things that one sees on the website is “Rory Reid: Strong schools for a stronger economy.”

    You, Chip, are a worse lying political hack than the Party of No Representatives and Senators in Washington. I detest you and your kind. Go to hell and take your right wing nuts with you!

    • s c

      LVJ, you had your Prozac moment. You have exposed yourself to the world. You had a chance to make believers of us, and you failed miserably. Get your ass to a psychiatrist, and do it NOW. Whatever drug you’re taking now doesn’t work. I can smell the rotting progressivism from here.

      • Las Vegas Jim

        My Prozac moment? It’s you right wing nuts who are depressed and in need of medication to make it through the day. It drives you to the brink because you no longer are in power. I love to see you right wing nuts crawl into a corner and assume the fetal position.

        Exposed myself? Yes, I don’t hide behind nobody. I call it like I see it, and what I see on this forum are a bunch of cry baby right wing nuts who are jonesing for Bush and Cheney – the very ones that put us in the hole that President Obama is now getting us out from.

        You lost the election. Do you get it? Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, O’Reilly and all the other right wing nut talking heads put together weren’t enough to keep the loser GOP in power. Cry me a river, baby!

        • JeffH

          LVJ, nobody is forcing you to endure these comments…you’re more than welcome to leave anytime…

          • Las Vegas Jim

            Cut and run is the tactic of right wing nuts whose heads are up their rear ends, not free thinking progressives like Bob Wire and me who have their heads screwed on correctly. Loser!

          • JeffH

            …name calling? temper temper…

          • DaveH

            You have screws in your rectum, Jim?

          • kate8

            Such anger from LVJ. One would think he views us as a threat.

            Typical progressive. Everyone who doesn’t agree with their agenda needs to shut up and go away.

            Funny they don’t do that when conservatives are in power. They never stop screaming. Even when they are in power they don’t stop screaming.

            Yikes.

          • Las Vegas Jim

            kate8,

            Not anger. Common sense – something right wing nuts don’t have.

          • rwnut

            Las Vegas Jim…You and Bub War are cross-threaded and you know it!

          • rwnut

            Las Vegas Jim…Common Sense? You fibber! you’ve been reading Glen Beck,and pissing on us and trying to tell us it’s raining!

          • DaveH

            Common Sense, Jim? Is it common sense for you to disrespect your fellow humans, and then think they are going to listen to a word you say? Common Sense is learned, like everything else. There is nothing common about it. Each individual is guided by their own past experiences and education. We each have mostly different ideas about the best way to live our lives.
            That is why the only way this country is ever going to achieve peace is for us to embrace the Libertarian Principles and butt out of other peoples’ choices regarding their own bodies and property. Neither the left-wingers nor the right-wingers have the answer for other peoples’ happiness.
            Vote Libertarian:
            http://libertarianparty.org/platform

          • Rick

            But thats what libs do – they repeat & chant & force it down your throat.

          • kate8

            DaveH – Great answer!

          • Bob Wire

            Your well over the top LVJ with such a post. ~ Please consider your position and where you are standing. You can speak your mind without such a crass, in your face assault.

            Chip is a writer and feature poster here ~ it’s okay to disagree and attempt to discredit but attempt to do it with civility and fair ~ and above all address the nature of the issue you take exception too!

            That “other’s” might do such things ~ (and they do!) does mean we should.

            You need to laugh it off Buddy and don’t loose your cool or credibility.

            It a fight for the minds and votes of Americans. Your not going to convince anyone or anything with trash talks, call them out on the facts twisting, do the work and find the truth.

      • eddie47d

        sc He is only talking like you always do . Kind of like looking in a mirror.

      • rwnut

        s c….I told you there’s a reason they are called loonie-left.

    • Brad

      LVJ,

      The truth hurts doesn’t it, Rory Reid does not mention his father one time on his website, he’s going it alone, chip was right and you my friend have been proven wrong.

      • Las Vegas Jim

        You, dumb right wing nut, are the one that is wrong. Your lying moderator wrote, “The only thing that isn’t prominently displayed is his last name.” Read it and weep, sucker.

        • JeffH

          …name calling and riducule…a favorite Alynsky move wouldn’t ya say?

          • Las Vegas Jim

            I learned it from listening to the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Van Susteren, O’Reilly, Levin and Gallagher and reading garbage written by Malkin, Charin, Coulter, Barone, Sewell< Bozell and last, but not least, Chip Wood. Where did they learn? Alinsky?

            BTW – Learn to spell, bozo.

          • JeffH

            LV…learn to spell? Always an intelligent responese from a liberal…you can count on it.

          • DaveH

            Jim says “I learned it from listening to the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Van Susteren, O’Reilly, Levin and Gallagher and reading garbage written by Malkin, Charin, Coulter, Barone, Sewell< Bozell and last, but not least, Chip Wood. Where did they learn? Alinsky?"

            Am I the only one who finds it hard to believe that a rabid Liberal like Jim would read articles and books that he considers "garbage".
            Liberals are thieves. Liberals are liars. Just the facts ma'am.

          • Las Vegas Jim

            DaveH,

            Unlike you, I study both sides of an issue before forming an opinion. I not only subscribe to Townhall Daily and Personal Liberty, but I also read them and many of the columns they link to quite thoroughly.

            An example of my thoroughness is that before I concluded that you are an uneducated, ignorant, foolish and ridiculous right wing nut, I read and laughed out loud at the buffoonery that you posted on this blog.

          • kate8

            My goodness. It’s been awhile since we’ve had a troll this nasty.

          • rwnut

            LVJ…You’re already spending you’re time with the right wing intellectuals.By your own admission,I know you can see the light at the end of the tunnel.Go towards it,Jim.Do not hesitate.Come out of that loonie left party of lies and hate and cheats.I made the escape to the light of the right after 30 years.You can too.It’s not to late.Come towards the light,Jim. We’re waiting!

          • rwnut

            Las Vegas Jim…Keep reading us.There is more to come.

          • rwnut

            LVJ…By the way,that laughing you’re experiencing is the first sign that the mind is going.Hurry to the light,Jim!

          • DaveH

            Jim thinks his childish manipulative tactics elevate him.
            Anyway, thanks Jim, for making my point that Liberals eventually (usually sooner than later) expose themselves for what they really are.
            Thank you, Bob Livingston, for allowing them enough rope to hang themselves.

          • kate8

            LVJ, You must not watch those folks too closely. Van Susteren is a democrat.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Las Vegas Jim learned the name calling from George Soros, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Howard Dean, Tom Daschle, Nasty Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Barney Frank, Harry Reid, Chuck Shummer, Charles Rangel, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Al Franken, Dianne Feinstein, and the late Ted Kennedy. Thats all these guys have done their whole careers, is point the fingers at people, place blame on them, and call people names. But never are they held accountable for their actions. Never.

          • Isabel

            Yes, Yes, Yes!!! Thank you Bob, Rush, Hannity, Fox News and all the others, who allow us to know the truth of this “racist crowd”. Thank you!

          • David in Ma.

            Now, a 1/2 punch is in order,
            1. November 2010 &
            2. The Presidential election in 2012……………

            DO IT, PEOPLE!!!

            obama thinks he is the Mahdi!

          • missy

            The only thing different from the republican party and the KKK is the white sheets, one has them on and the other keeps it in the trunk of the car. To not want a country for the betterment for all is just down right selfcentered. That is the american dream, for all to make it, and if it takes some gov, to help you that is ok too. But look at the bigger scope, if americans are all working, with skills to build a stronger country, and not just paid the backs of the rich. Working together for the good of all, that is the big picture. You have to look outside the box, and help the country grow, and put this country back to work, we as americans want to work, but its no jobs in reach. The on the job training is gone, everyone has to go to college, and that takes too much time for all the americans to get back into the working world. No company wants to have on the job training, and they say we americans dont want to work. Well the right is wrong, we want to keep our homes, and the clothes on our backs, and also want to be able to allow our children a chance to go on tho higher edu, if they want. but the issue is between paying for our homes or a college edu. Most want to keep the home. and with no job in sight, its hard. The need to work with the president, just like they worked with Bush, and stop trying to block the growth of this country. I find the information very unfair, as to how FOX news, puts out data about the government, and when was the last Terror Alert Fox news?

        • Al Sieber

          Hey Las Vegas, I don’t listen to those hacks on the radio, my beliefs are following the Constitution, Bill Of Rights. all you can come up with is Right Wing, Right Wing… what are you a parrot?

          • rwnut

            Al Sieber…Hoorah,FELLOW PATRIOT.

          • Ted Crawford

            They have nothing substantive to offer, therefore name calling and labeling and vitroil is what they use! It seems to be a mental inbalance, perhaps caused by, and certainly increased by, an over indulgence in entitlements!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            He is just like a recording out of the left wing liberal playbook. Easiest book their is to read. You’ll get blah, blah, blah, blah from him, and no substantial factual material at all, just his blind opinion, and that is it. Its about like talking to the wall with guys like him. They wont see the writing on the wall until they are locked up and speaking aramaic, then wonder who they will blame it on.

    • Bob

      No liberal diatribe would be complete without name calling and a temper tantrum. This is childish behavior, please Sir, grow up and enter the adult arena of discussing ideas.

      Or at least get to a junior high level and stop name calling and throw a few spitballs.

      • Las Vegas Jim

        Liberals hate lying right wing nuts and are angered to the point of calling it like it is. That is unlike your moderator, who calls it the way he wants it to be. Get real!

        • Brad

          Very top of his webpage Rory 2010 Nevada First that’s the header, so hes running for Governor Okay, plus it’s a very well laid out website and communicates his goals very well but never mentions his father nor tries to gain his endorsement. So LVJ who’s lying now?

        • Nate

          LV Jim….You`ve made it clear ,,,,CAN WE GET BACK TO SOMETHING OTHER THAN YOUR LACK OF “INTELIGENCE”????

        • JeffH

          Liberals “hate”? That’s novel idea…HAH!

          • DaveH

            Another Liberal Hater. Well, at least Jim is being honest about something.

        • Brad

          Looks as if LVJ couldn’t stand the heat and got out of the kitchen. By the way here is Chips statement;

          What’s that guy’s name again? Here’s another interesting tidbit from the political scene in Nevada. Seems some guy named Rory is running for governor on the Democratic ticket. His campaign site has lots of feel-good information about his wife, his children, where he went to college, what he’s done since. The only thing that isn’t prominently displayed is his last name. Rory, you see, is Rory Reid, son of Nevada’s senior senator, Harry Reid. Guess Rory doesn’t think dad’s coattails will stretch very far this year.

          And again his last name isn’t promently displayed.

          • Las Vegas Jim

            I’m baaaack! Some people ahve more important things to do than to sit around and blog all day.

          • Las Vegas Jim

            Hey, Dummy, what’s the name of the wesite? Do you not see “Rory Reid: Strong schools for a stronger economy” prominently displayed on the home page? Get a frappen life, loser!

          • JeffH

            Las Vegas Jim says:
            July 23, 2010 at 3:46 pm
            I’m baaaack! Some people ahve more important things to do than to sit around and blog all day

            Like the goor parrot…bbbaaarrraaaccckkk! Learn to spell, liberal!

          • DaveH

            Look at his logo, Las Vegas Jim. It is “RORY 2010 Nevada First”. Why not “RORY REID 2010 Nevada First”?
            And I think you need to look up the definition of “prominately”.
            Sure, it is subjective, but you are getting a little blown out over a difference of opinion.

          • rwnut

            LVJ…You’re baaaack! Don’t fib to us again.You went to watch Glen Beck,didn’t you?

        • Al Sieber

          Las Vegas, Right Wing, Right Wing…. still living in mommies basement? time to come out and experience the real world.

        • JLC

          LVJ — You sound like my great-grandson, who is a PoliSci student at USC. He can’t add 2 and 2 and come up with the same answet twice in a row —— and I don’t believe that you can, either.

          • JLC

            Typo — That should read; same ANSWER twice in a row

          • Las Vegas Jim

            Where did you get your education, or is it lack of education? If he is smart enough to get admitted to USC, he is brighter that anyone whose crap I’ve read here, including yours.

          • rwnut

            JLC….Neither can his mentor,Joe(1+1=3)Biden!

          • DaveH

            Another typically ignorant statement from a Liberal. It figures that they vote for people they know nothing about.

          • eddie47d

            Settle down Dave H. Take a deep breath and reach for your heart medicine.

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            Hope and Dream all you want, but I am in great health for my age.

        • dan of arizona

          what happens in vegas stays in vegas are you related to reid must be so much hostility is he you son or father figure

        • Rick

          libs also hate it when they get caught pushing an agenda that puts our freedom at risk.

        • kate8

          Not able to control yourself, LVJ?

          They have programs for that.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Listen Billy Jim Bob, if you dont like it here, go away. Youve yet to say anything constructive or factual. You keep playing the devil’s advocate, and stirring the pot. You obviously have no interest in the truth or in facts, so why dont you go home, turn on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN or MSNBC and listen to them preach their liberal diatribe to you, and tell you who to blame for your lackluster life. Go ahead and live the life of a victim, living on government handouts BJB. But leave the intellectual discussions to those who choose to educate themselves as to what really is, and what really isnt. Your hate filled diatribe has grown old, and Im done with you. Now go away and be at peace with yourself.

          • Bob Wire

            >>”Listen Billy Jim Bob, if you dont like it here, go away. Youve yet to say anything constructive or factual. You keep playing the devil’s advocate, and stirring the pot.”<<

            We love it here! ~ I'm left you're thinking this must be the "Love Boat" well ~it's not ! We are bringing the battle to you. And you are correct, I'm playing the devil advocate. I'm here to make you better then what you were last year. Last year ~ you really sucked!

            We hold the greatest respects for the truth and plan to see that the truth is not ignored here.

            I know our absences would make things much easier for you to understand, ~ you all could sit around the camp fire and have a sing fun along. I like poetry myself!

            Oh sake can you see

            by da's dawns early light

            while I sits here on da' bank

            wait'n for dem's carp to bite.

            I'ez a non woork'n man with ne'r not a care

            for da's US Government a sending me da' dare welfare.

            D'ay sends me da' money and I's don't pays it back

            dat's why's I's drive a new Cadillac

            Okay ! you tell us one!

            But really now ! ~~ Why is slandering people so much fun?

            Does that say more about us or something about them?

        • Bob Wire

          >>”Liberals hate lying right wing nuts and are angered to the point of calling it like it is. “<<

          I'm certainly not a liberal but do share the same "box" as many keep trying to put me there as I am by nature one that sees all side and sympathize with both parties ~ it's a blissful curse of birth I'd wish on no one.

          But you certainly need to acquire a little more civil diplomacy with you banter LVJ ~ I admire your fire and passion but you need to learn to chose your battles,learn to lay traps and set them up. The way you are attacking, it will be you the one snared in a trap.

          Some battles are not worth the effort to fight (like an omission of a name)

          Reid had a great uncle that was hanged for horse stealing, forget his name now, but you can look it up.

          When asked about this , Harry Reid response was;

          "It was true that he had a great uncle that was engaged in the procurement of horse for the military and that he did die when a platform gave way at a public event that was being hosted in his honor."

          I love such prospective as that. There is not a trace of a lie in it ~ and leave something for the imagination to work with beside ~ he stole horses was caught and hanged.

      • rwnut

        LVJ…You know the Democratic party holds that title of lying,cheating,hating,”pass it under the cover of darkness”,”you can’t read the bill till you pass it” party! Stop trying to pass it off on the right.Help is waiting,Jim.

    • marvin

      Las Vegas Jim ,one thing for sure you got big balls,to come on to a man,s own blog and call him names how much did reid pay you for your rants,fer sure if it was mine[blog]you would be black balled for being stuped

      • Las Vegas Jim

        YOU can’t blackball me. Ha, aha, aha!

        • DaveH

          Chip can, you ignorant Liberal. But then Chip probably wouldn’t because he, like me, probably enjoys that you Liberals get on here and expose yourselves as the kind of people that you really are.

          • rwnut

            DaveH….HOORAH,FELLOW PATRIOT!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I tell you Dave, they do definately get on here in these threads, and give liberalism a total black eye dont they? Wow, talk about a guy exposing his short comings. Total exposure from this guy.

        • Al Sieber

          Las Vegas, we can’t black ball you, but, we can ignore you.

          • Las Vegas Jim

            You didn’t. Ha, ha!

          • rwnut

            Al Sieber….Wait a minute,who the hell wants to ignore him? It’s hella fun playing kick the can,way!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And nobody needs to black ball him. The guy opens his mouth and removes all doubt as to who the jerk is. Thanks for giving a black eye to all your fellow liberals, and exposing your jack-assedness, and I had to make up that word to decribe you, because frankly, nothing else fit just right. You shine a pretty light on liberals, and we all are laughing out loud at your liberal state.

        • rwnut

          LVJ….And this little leftie loonie went wee,wee,wee,all the way home.

          • Al Sieber

            rwnut, yeah, kick the can back to “Vegas”.

        • dan of arizona

          sounds like blue balled to me and if you dont have any then maybe you better go back to your street corner i think i hear a car coming

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Like we could ever believe anything that comes out of Vegas, the left armpit of the world. What are you, like #1 in divorce, # 1 in spousal abuse, # 1 in bankruptcy, # 1 in mortgage foreclosures, top 5 in murders, prostitution, drug dealing, and many more not so nice things. So believe me when I tell you, you dont speak for the rest of the country. You live in an armpit, ok.

      • Las Vegas Jim

        There has to be someplace where you degenerates are welcome.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Las Vegas? No thanks pal. Your high rankings in the areas of murder, divorce, spousal abuse, bankruptcy, abortion and prostitution arent exactly things a family person is looking for. Besides that, didnt you guys elect a guy named Harry Reid there? Now thats scary enough to keep any sane person away.

      • rwnut

        Beberoni…HOORAH!

      • Claire

        Armpit?? That reminds me of something I heard years ago–”May the fleas of a thousand camels invest your armpits.” At the time I thought it was funnier than heck, now I guess it sounds dorky.

        • Claire

          invest??? I meant infest. Dang it.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Thats ok Claire. Sometimes our fingers get working to fast on the keyboards and those things happen.

          • Claire

            Beberoni–Thanks for the support!

    • WarriorH

      Harry, is that you? Glenn Beck for president!

    • rwnut

      Las Vegas Jim…Put it where the sun don’t shine!

    • rwnut

      Las Vegas Jim….You don’t own a gun,do you?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Dude, I fully understand what your saying. If he does, he sure shouldnt be allowed to, not in that mental state.

    • http://none Chip Wood

      If you were running for office, and your dad happened to be the senior senator for your state, with a lifetime of so-called “public service,” wouldn’t you have photos of the two of you all over your campaign website? Check out Harry’s boy Rory. Judging by his campaign website, you’d think he was some fatherless waif.

      Here’s how the Wall Street Journal on line reported the story:

      The Gov That Dare Not Speak Its Name

      “Meet Rory.” The Hill reports that’s the campaign slogan of the Democratic nominee for governor of Nevada. Who’s Rory? Here’s the bio from his campaign website:

      “As Chairman of the Clark County Commission Rory has managed a budget bigger than the state’s general fund for seven years, balanced it every year, and never raised taxes.

      “Rory, 47, grew up in Nevada attending public schools, as do his three great kids. He attended Brigham Young University, graduating with a dual degree in international relations and Spanish, and continued his studies there through law school. He and his wife, Cindy, have been married for 22 years.”

      Did Cindy take Rory’s name? Come to think of it, what is Rory’s name, and why does he choose to remain monomyous? Is he Indonesian, like Sukarno and Suharto? Is “Rory” a stage name, like Madonna or Prince? Is he royalty, like Elizabeth and Charles?

      The last, we suppose, is closest to the truth. Rory’s surname is Reid, and he is part (or hopes to become one) of a political dynasty. Rory’s father, the Silver State’s senior senator, is up for re-election this year. So why won’t Rory use Dad’s name? Because Nevadans just aren’t wild about Harry.

      Hey, I can’t help it if Rory wants to distance himself from his dad. If I were running for office in Nevada, I would, too.

      Chip Wood

      • JeffH

        Chip, thanks for the insight on “Rory”. I agree, distance is good in this case.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And it says loads about the elder, when the son is trying to hide the name from the public. And it says loads about his party, that he is trying to hide his name from the public.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      He cant go to Hell. Thats where the line is drawn. Those on the Right go to Heaven. Those on the left go to hell. Thats why they kill innocent babies, put butt bumping your buddy on a pedestal and say its ok, and all their other little immorral things. The right isnt perfect, the left is totally immorral pal, and the proof is in the pudding.

  • DownToEarth

    To ALL THE “WE THE PEOPLE” we do not have to wait till election day to get rid of the people in our gov’t that were elected. “WE THE PEOPLE” can legally throw them out via “RECALL”. We elected these officials to do OUR bidding and not theirs. We can throw out the bums and replace them via majority vote of that district. It’s not hard to do but time consuming.

    • Las Vegas Jim

      Recall elections do not take place at the federal level.

  • Bob Wire

    That disappointing to hear!

    There’s something seriously missing on their wish list!

    influence peddling! lobbyist ! pandering to special interest!

    When are you “baggers” going to get the message?

    You are still ignoring the 800 lb. gorilla in the room!

    Why is that??????

    Should I guess???

    Do you want a government by the people or the best government money can buy?

    May I guess??

    • s c

      BW, get this straight, we DON”T have a government OF THE PEOPLE, but we DO have the ‘best government that MONEY can buy.’ How predictably typical of a braindead progressive to claim that YOUR choices are the “best” we can have. What you offer is the lesser of two evils. THAT is the classic way to define a progressive’s #1 ‘wish list.’ YOU don’t just think in the box, YOU ARE THE BOX! YOU are the problem!

      • Bob Wire

        No sir ! it you that the problem as you ignore the 800 lb gorilla.

        If you want a government as the founders intended. If you don’t ! just say so! and quit hiding the fact you want international big business to run our nation.

        • rwnut

          BUB WAR…We want a gov.by the people,not the best money can buy,like you’re freind Charlie (greasy palm)Rangel,who just got his ass charged today for a little of that under the cover of darkness shit.Oh that’s right,”Greasy Palm” was just “re-distributing”,like the Great Community Organizer,Hussein O.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Its more like a 2000 pound gorilla, named the democratic party with George Soros. And they owe him a lot. They owe him un-American favors, and they are doing it. That is the gorilla I see, and Im voting them out along with millions of other American’s.

      • Al Sieber

        SC, you’re wasting your time on BW, he talks in circles, and can’t think on his own. he just twists around everything you say, he’d make a good politician. I understand what you mean.

        • JeffH

          Al Sieber, he spends as much time talking to himself too…makes me wonder if he sits all alone catching flys barehanded…

          • Al Sieber

            JeffH, if he answers himself too, that says it all.

          • Bob Wire

            well, I admit it! I spend too much time playing with you here. But I would begin to call you flys!

            ~ First , you not flys by a good stretch, while you do attempt to fly up the nose of reason at times. ~ Some of you more so then others. You are an annoyed and offended people! You have been lied to, deceived! You have been used! rode hard and put up wet! You are a spin-off of a failed rigid ideology and been left disenfranchised.

            So ~ you find yourselves a picking up after the party is over, thinking to yourselves, “that wasn’t very much fun and Berry ran off with my girl! ”

            “What’s he got that I ain’t got?” “What did he ever do?”

            Well ? he had a better package to sell for one thing. The GOP package sucked! ~ and the biggest problem the GOP has gone, You’ve got to keep the package sold! ~ Service after the sell! this requires much more “hands on” then what the GOP seems willing to do!

            ~ The GOP has allowed Rupert, Rush and Bill O ‘Really to keep the package sold, while few wanting to really do the work! ~ The GOP is too good to work! ~ I guess! ~ that’s the way it seems. ~ They are depending on special interest, banker, insurance companies , big oil to do the heavy lifting with the power of their dollars!

            But few in the GOP seems to show any interest to make things right for the average American.

            So here you are today ~ trying to fly up my nose.

            Sure I play with you! It’s my only revenge! I’m forcing you out and making you think! ~ You don’t like to think ~ you’d rather just “feel” .

            I’m here to insure you offer us a better product next time and you are suppose to hate me~ if I do my job well. I bring the battle to you not waiting for you to attack.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I think he shoots out his forked tongue and catches them like a frog.

        • rwnut

          Al Sieber…As Benjamin Franklin would say,”Here comes the orator,with his flood of words,and his drop of reason”.

      • Bob Wire

        >>sc says;BW, get this straight, we DON”T have a government OF THE PEOPLE, but we DO have the ‘best government that MONEY can buy.’”<<<

        exactly! ~ read my message! that what I was offering up!

        and until we address "influence peddling, lobbyist and special interest money! ~ That's all we'll ever have!

        So far ~ I fail to see how the Baggers are addressing this as they choice to ignore it. ~ while offering term limits as some-kind of a cure!

        Read the message!

        Attack me all you want too! ~ But I'm not going away! We've got the government we deserve to have! And until we change ~ it's not going to change.

        • kate8

          Wow, BW! I’m impressed!

          Good post.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          You may deserve this kind of government, but I dont, and neither do a lot of people I know. And the Tea Party is going to be a good thing, and why you use a degenerate term and misname them, proves your childish behavior. Shame on you. Thats what the Tea Party is all about dude, changing the government back to actually representing the people. I really dont see why you would have a problem with that, unless all your posts are just blatant lies.

    • marvin

      Bob Wire just because you are a bagger[homosexual]does not say much for you,all people on here are not homo like you paint,some maybe but we are having a grown up discussion on our country were it is headed,not your sexual habits

      • Karolyn

        Oh, sorry, I thought this was a political forum, not a prejudice forum.

      • Bob Wire

        Marvin, where did all this “sex’ and sexual orientation come from that you speak of?

        It was not brought forward by me or anyone else here.

        So it must have fell out of your head, something that you’ve been entertaining in your random thought process.

        I suppose, you expect me to act offended now? Hmm? I think you atypical of what has happen to the GOP. ~

        It became burdened down with under-developed Simple Simmons types that felt lofty wrapping themselves up in the flag and shouting God and Country! Supporting one blunder after another while feeling righteous in the process as American true values and ideas were being diluted by partisan politics and special interest.

        So tell us, have you told the rest of your family about these homo feeling you entertain yet?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Yes, it was brought on by you, and you alone sir. You keep referring to the Tea Party as “baggers”, and you know exactly what your saying when you do that. So you can play innocent, and place the blame on others, (so democrat like of you). But anyone can plainly see, your intent, and that you are the one that incited this whole thing. Take blame where blame is do sir.

          • Bob Wire

            “Baggers” did this? ~~ brought forward sexual inferences? I’m almost afraid to ask how?

            We seem to enjoy name twisting and debasing here and general slanderous comments. Please don’t deprive me the enjoyment of the same fun?

            I was thinking “baggers” most apropos? Baggers Party?

            Tea Baggers Party? ~ tea party sounds like a bunch of old English ladies, dressed in full finery, with an erect pinky finger chomping on crumpets and sipping tea, making idle gossip.

            I’ll let it go if you will ~ but let’s understand one another, you send out ~ you’ll get it back twice the speed.

          • Bob Wire

            I’m still waiting for an explanation , where is you mind at bagger?

            Enlighten me of this inference of sex and baggers you claim that exist.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      The only way Obama got elected, was buying commercial time, and brainwashing the dummies, getting on their brainsuckers in their living room and chanting change, change, change, over and over and over again. Thats its. Thats all he brought to the table, so basically yes, he bought the election.

      • Las Vegas Jim

        Commercial time is available to anyone who has the means to pay for it.

        Good candidates get contributions.

        Old, wrinkled, no too bright, bad candidates don’t. Do you hear me now?.

        • JeffH

          …can you say George Soros?

          • rwnut

            JeffH…..Can he also say,Mooosluuum?

        • Claire

          Las Vegas Jim–Your statement “good candidates get contributions” is not entirely accurate. There are a number of “bad” candidates that receive contributions and become elected. Money talks and honesty walks.
          There is no honesty, ethics, and morality in the political game-playing.

          • kate8

            Claire, when you consider that politicians spend at least 5 hours per day on the phone raising funds, and attending fundraisers, it makes sense. They have to make promises to big money to get their support, so their votes have been bought before legislation comes to the table.

            Politicians are for sale. I wouldn’t be surprised if they weren’t on corporate payrolls. No wonder they don’t listen to us. We’re irrelevant to them.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Unlike you and the left, I can admit mistakes. The biggest mistake the republican party ever made was running John McCain, a 150 year old career politician. Big HUGE mistake. No doubt about it.

      • Bob Wire

        >>Beberoni says:
        July 23, 2010 at 4:06 pm

        The only way Obama got elected, was buying commercial time, and brainwashing the dummies,<<<

        WRONG again Buckwheat!

        why is this so difficult to accept?

        McCain didn't bring a game!

        It was his to loose! and he did! while enjoying a 29% die-hard GOP vote!

        If Mc Cain had told Karl Rove to put a sock in it and go sit down. Had taken the lead and been his own man ~ Mc Cain would be sitting in the Oval Office today.

        But he didn't have the iron, didn't carry the vision.

        It wasn't about the issues remember? ~ It was about "Character" that's what the GOP told us straight up!

        We are left to believe Obama was considered in short supply of "Character" by the GOP and the "war hero/pow" reeked of "Character"

        The fat was in the fire from that moment forward.

        To Mc Cain's credit, ~ his last 76 hours on the stump was his best and if he'd started out that way, (being on "message") ~ he'd won hand down ~

  • WeNeedExpertsNotPundits

    Hello! The definition of Pundit is “Expert” in the dictionary. Unfortunately it is now used to describe all who discuss politics in the Media. I joined this newsletter hoping to hear something other than what can be seen or heard everyday in mass media. Unfortunately, I am seeing the same material from the majority of the posts…a regurgitation of talking points. The ideas expressed have root in something, and this is what we need to focus on. Let’s talk and have a real understanding of the fundamental theories/ideas of what we think is right. Bashing the other side and spitting venom has its place, but does not have credibility if that is all it is. If we know our views are the right thing for our country, then let’s do it the right way by posting the reasons why less taxes, less gov’t, less spending in our current economic crisis is what our politicians should be doing…using examples from EXPERTs…not pundits. Pundits and those who pay them are making money when you are mad. They control the message for us, and we follow along. This is not good for our cause, and certainly not good for our country. Let’s Shut off Rush and Fox News, and start having real debate.

    • DownToEarth

      I agree with you whole heartedly!
      Less taxes = better economic growth – more money in our pockets to spend as we wish.
      Low interest rates = better economic growth – all businesses can borrow and expand. This leads to more people working = lower unemployment rate.
      Regulation of financial institutions = no more meltdowns and bailouts.
      More money to spend, more people working, no meltdowns/bailouts = more taxes collected to run government and lowers the DEBT!
      These are a few of my favorite things……

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The democrats dont understand that. They think if they tax more, they collect more money into the public coffers. They are to shortsighted to see that they tax business’s to death and cause them to cut down productions, cut staff, which causes less money in the public coffers, so then they want to raise taxes again to make up for the short fall, then more lose their jobs, and less money comes in, so they raise taxes more. They just arent smart enough to figure it out, and part of it is because for some reason, they just cant stand to see someone be successful. Everytime a business is successful, the liberal media labels them as greedy and attack’s them, like they do Walmart. Now, they present that Walmart buys all this Chinese stuff, and that part is true. But they dont tell the other half, that they also are the biggest buyer in the country of American made stuff also. No, you dont hear about that part. Nor of all the billions of dollars of tax revenue they generate with sales tax, with employees income tax, all three federal, state and local, and the billions they pay into social security and medicaid. You hear none of that. The liberal media and the democrats just demonize successful business like this, when they should be giving them tax cuts, to build more stores and hire more peoople, to which we all benefit. But the liberal media is trying its best to poison everyones view of all successfull free market businesses, and instead interfere and give the GM and Chryslers billions of dollars to buy future UAW votes, and its not right. Not right at all. Raises taxes hurts all of us, and is proven to put less money in the public coffers. Yet the democrats keep trying to do that everytime they come into power. Maybe Obama wants to take Clintons title as the president who raised taxes the most. Who knows?

        • WeNeedExpertsNotPundits

          Hi Berberoni, thanks for the comment. I agree Dems think differently than we do. Thats okay. What we need to do is be able to present what we feel is right in a better way. We can’t use generalizations, assuming democrats are ALL dumb. Instead, we need to focus on the issue/problems facing us. We are indeed in very difficult times. It is time for us to work towards solving problems. Telling a Dem they are stupid will not accomplish anything. Building a solid argument, supported with facts based in expertise and history, is the only way to have meaningful debate. Name calling, and such is not helping our country. The media wants to keep us divided, as they are more relevant when we are pissed off. We need to seek out the truth for ourselves. If you only get your information from the TV or radio, you will be misinformed and are not going to be able convince anyone of anything. If you find yourself wanting to call the other side names it is because you are not prepared for real debate. Let’s bring it this fall- by really understanding the issues and convince our Dem neighbors and friends that they are wrong, with out calling them names, without losing credibility, and by being prepared.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You are right, except for one very fatal flaw at the end. You said convice a democrat he is wrong. Ive yet to ever see that accomplished, and if you can do that, then sir our country needs the recipe badly. All Ive ever seen, and sorry, but I do mean have ever seen, is the the finger come out and point and place blame, even blaming others for what they do, and I dont think anything you can say to them or show them will change them. Ive yet to see it happen yet. But if you figure it out, by all means, I would like to know how it is done.

    • Dorris

      For those of you that are more concerned about Fox New not good, You realy are very ignort,tghey are the only newqs cast telling truth, which by the way people that have not or that are to lazy to check any statement for truth wouldn’t understand what they are even talking about. Tyhey back up EVERYTHING they say and even make the offer for dispute.
      Don’t know after listening to obama you may not reconize TRUTH.Try listening for 1 week,and if you have any crasp on life you will understand why none of the Dem’s don’t want to go on Fox News and for the “IDIOTS” that listen to people run them down means you don’t know TRUTH when it hits you square on.

      You will be the first to cry when the truth hits you.WE have 1 of the bigest pathological liers setting in the White House and getting people that think socialism and being Muslim is to be Amercan.

      He said he would make every thing Transparent to the American people, the only he has spoken . he is Very TRANSPARENT and the smart people can see right through him.

      And for the person that open mouth while her brain was worried more on how something was spelled than getting the message wasn’t aware of a teacher reading just to grad paper.

      I don’t know about any one but I wasn’t impressed because you know how to spell.
      This artical will keep the person that is more worried about people spelling busy. NOWWWWW GOOOOOOOO.

      • WeNeedExpertsNotPundits

        Hi Doris,

        Thank you for the comment. My point is this, if you want to win people over on our side, then you have to present an argument that is convincing and credible. If you are getting all of you information from Rush and Fox News, you argument will not be convincing. I appreciate your passion for our country, but it will not help anyone if we cant communicate to the other side with facts, not just passion. Please see the link I posted, it is an interview with the “owner” of Fox News, and he says they are biased. It is not a secret. There are plenty reasons why we should have less taxes, less government and the reasons lie in economics and the evidence in history. This is what we should talk about, not bash the other side first. Beat them with IDEAS SUPPORTED BY FACTS. Our party has let Fox and Rush speak for us too long, and to our detriment. We need to become bring people to our side and we need debate with more substance and less talking points.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I disagree with your point that the republicans have let Rush speak for them too long. If they would listen to him and do the things he says, they would be in a lot better shape. Instead they have started this reach across the aisle, give in to left wing agenda’s, and get nothing back at all. Appeasement loses everytime it is practiced. Its time to play hardball with these guys, and tell the truth when they spew their lies. The one and only way you can change the democrats, is to get God into them. And since they dont believe in God, then we cant do it, it will take an act of the Grace of God to open their eyes and ears. All we can do is pray for them. And I will say this, with no reservations, and its the absolute truth. I pray for Obama and his cabinet everyday, asking that they make Godly decisions concerning this nation I love, and that they are led to do the right thing. I wonder how many on the left prayed for Mr. Bush when he was in office? Hmmm. Im just saying………..

      • rwnut

        Dorris…HOORAH!

    • Ted Crawford

      To have a debate, We Need, one must first have a topic! All I see from you is that I should shut myself off from potiential sources of information! That makes no sense to me!
      I use the broadcast media Cnn, Fox, Msnbc, to keep me up to date on current events. I use the networks of Fox Business and CNBC for financial information. The majoriety of my research is done in Libraries and City Hall! These are good places to either validate or debunk the broadcast media!
      What has surprized me the most, these last two years in particular, is that the one I thought would be the easiest to debunk, given what I feel are rather childish antics, has proven to be the most accurate!
      I was, immediatly, turned off by the behavior of Glenn Beck! I gleefuly began to try to debunk him. Something I believed would be an easy task! Not because I didn’t agree with him, but because I did! I despise false information from those shareing my point of view even more than the other side! The recent incedent with Breitbart offends me! In the last two years I have, yet, to catch Beck in a lie!

      • rwnut

        Ted Crawford….You are exactly right,sir. And the loonie,liberal,left,Demo-Donkey has no interest in facts,history,or truth.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          The truth is not in them. They reject the truth. And they do not know what the truth looks like even if it right in front of them. An earlier post told me to not say things to them, and that I should help them see they are wrong and get them to admit it. Well, when one totally rejects the truth and flee’s from the truth, its not going to happen. I have never seen a democrat admit they were wrong on thinking the way they do. It would mean acknowledging the truth, and I dont think they can do it. At least Ive not seen it in my lifetime.

      • Vicki

        Ken Hamblin The Black Avenger was my favorite talk show host for many years till his show disappeared in the late 1990′s. He was honest and gutsy and demonstrated that he was truly colorblind.

        We could use another like him.

  • Janie Ellington

    Make all of your candidates sign Contract From America to insure that they represent your conservative principles!
    http://www.thecontract.org/

    • Rick

      I like it but do they mean it?

      • rwnut

        Rick…At least it’s a guideline that we can use to hold them accountable for their votes in Congress. I see it as a way to let them know that my vote for them comes with a price,and that “we the people” are watching and keeping score. I agree with you though,that we never know till we see how they vote. As with Scott Brown. I knew after his first meeting in DC was with McCain and Kerry that he would be another RINO.

    • rwnut

      Janie Ellington…Thanks for posting that link.I was waiting and hoping for someone to come up with something like this “on paper”.

  • Only in America

    Chip, repeating falsehoods doesn’t make them true except to the kool aid drinkers.

    I’m going to throw out the republicans too. Two wars weren’t free.

    They are dirt bags. They deregulated the financial systems and created the trickle down economy. I didn’t forget.

    When you cut taxes and still spend you are the same as the sub prime borrowers. That is what they did. They did that federally and at the state and local levels. Remember when they said that you could better spend your money?

    I used to think more highly of Ron Paul till I heard his son speak. Ron Paul also reiterated Steele’s comment that Afghanistan was Obama’s war not America’s war. That is bogus posturing so he is just more of the same.

    The conservatives created the deficit spending with Reagan and haven’t let up.

    Any one who calls themselves patriots is pathetic. That isn’t what a patriot does. Nathan Hale and Paul Revere never called themselves patriots.

    The “freedom” festers should look at the anti terrorism laws that were put in place after 9-11. Maybe they don’t know what freedom is?

    Maybe they don’t understand that the constitution, bill of rights and the amendments are there for all of us.

    I didn’t forget. So out you go.

    • DownToEarth

      I agree with you to a point. Reagan cause the biggest economic boom this country has ever seen. What they failed to do is regulate it so it would not be a run-a-way train. Now remember that when “W” left, the deficit was 250 billion which is chump change on an overall.
      There is plenty of blame to go all around and greed to line there pockets with special agendas, etc… yes we should throw them all out and put regular people in their place. Then maybe you will see a CHANGE that is good for all.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Reagan was the best, and turned me from being a democrat into being a republican. And my oh my how the democrats have gone down the toilet since then. JFK has to be rolling over in his grave. No doubt if he were alive today, he would run on the Republican ticket or Libertarian, definately not democrat. Now the Republicans have gotten themselves away from their conservative base, and have failed to reign in spending, but I do still hold out hope for them, but not with career guys like John McCain. He is the reason we lost. People like Mitt Romney, and Sarah Palin, and Bobby Jindall and Mike Pence can make a difference. And Im not locked to a party. If they all went Libertarian, I would go with them. But I do know this, we cannot afford 4 more years of unqualified community organizer leadership, where all they have shown is the ability to climb up on a pedestal and place blame on all others, and not do a damn thing. Myself, and millions of us are sick of it, and even their own base is sick of it. In 2012 the change is coming, and I hope whomever it is that takes his place, and someone will be taking his place, I just hope they can put the country first, and kill this liberal agenda that is killing this United States of America.

    • Coservative at Birth

      The Democtats were in control of both houses of Congess until 1994. You cannot blame the Republicans for the overspending during Reagans Administration. Actually the Republicans did not have a filabuster proof majority in the Senate EVER!!!

    • Ted Crawford

      Only; I agree with you on The Patriot Act! I also noticed that obama strenghtened it! I disagree on the deficit spending, however. My history books tell me that Roosevelt created deficit spending, not Reagan!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Sorry, you missed the boat. Conservatives did not create deficit spending under Reagan. Its always been practiced, but mastered by FDR in his day. He mastered lying to congress, and lying to the American people to get what he wanted, and cost didnt matter. We are still paying today for the things he did. There is your real starter.

  • Sears Tower

    Oh, Chip maybe now we can debate climate change.

    Get a grip!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      There isnt any climate change. Its cyclical. While the left and the eco’s would try to convince you of global warming, in Al Gore’s attempt to make a billion dollars, actual GEOLOGICAL SCIENTISTS, not just the run of the mill guys Al had, will tell you the planet has actually cooled since the 70′s. It’s all about someone creating hype to make a buck, and thats all its ever been. So get over it.

      • Karolyn

        Do you ever watch the National Geographic Channel?
        The temperature this past June was way above average everywhere.

        • JeffH

          Well golly gee, that just proves there is climate change doesn’t it ’cause it was on NatGeo…Why I remember back in 1972 having a record heat wave in Califoria and I didn’t even watch NatGeo to figure that out…then there was snow in San Francisco that December…this darn global warming ere global cooling err whatever it is is ruining the world climate err who cares…Al Gore?

        • JeffH

          Not in my part of the country…they said it was global cooling taking place, better get the story straight then try again…

        • Rick

          But, I like warm weather! Bring it on!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Im with ya brother. I would gladly trade those 10 degree below zero winter days in Indiana winters for say, maybe a 30 degree warm up to 20 degrees. That would be sweet. That below zero stuff makes my knees, back and ankles hurt.

        • rwnut

          Karolyn….My God help us. With you’re liberal left reasoning there is no hope. Doesn’t it ever make you wonder(think) why every other word out of National Geo’s mouth is, “maybe”, “perhaps”, “what if”, “we think”,”900 million years ago”(we think), “this or that happened”,(we think). In the meantime,send a few bucks to Nat.Geo.and a few bucks to Al(pet rock)Gore.
          Karolyn…I’ll bet you beleive that “Family Guy”,on tv, is a reality show about a family.

        • Vicki

          Here I sit in at about 11:28 am on July 25th 2010. The temp outside is reported as 69 degrees. My thermometer says 69.5. I was just wondering if summer was going to skip us by yet again. So tell me again about this evil monster you call global warming.

          I say Bring it on. Its cold here.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Do not believe in all you see on TV my dear. Its just like the History Channel does religious shows, and presents all these so called “Biblical scholars” from this university and that university, and you need not listen to them for 5 minutes to realize they are atheists. Now if you want to present the Bible, you dont have an atheist do it, as being a non believer, they havent had it revealed to them like a believer does when he accepts Christ as his saviour. Until you eyes and ears are opened, you cannot understand what Im talking about, but those that have, know exactly what Im saying. Al Gore produced all kinds of scientists saying what he wanted them to say, in an effort for him to make a billion dollars. However, real GEOLOGICAL scientists have recently come out in droves, and said that the planet is actually cooling. Heck, watch your local news, and notice the dates of the all time highs and the all time lows. Write them down and follow them. You will see hot years and cold years. And if you made a graph, they go up and then they go down, then back up and then back down. There is no proof of any global warming, and also there is no proof of any sort that anything man has done could have affected the climatic temperatures. It was all a lie in an attempt by Al Gore to get filthy rich. And thats the way it is.

          • Denniso

            Beb…so, biblical scholars are all atheists? Amazing! So people who don’t belive in God spend a decade in school costing thousands of $$ and then decades in work that they think is a lie and nothing but myth? I wonder how they manage to stick w/ something they think is child’s play for a whole career…oh,that’s right,they’re plants by the evil liberals put in that job of being biblical scholars so they can get on TV and destroy Christianity. Boy, you are pretty smart to have figured that conspiracy out all by yourself…

      • Al Sieber

        Over 30 thousand geologists and scientists signed a petition against Global Warming and were censored.

        • Al Sieber

          It’s been unusually cool in Ariz. this year, it’s usually hot in May, this year the 1st week in July. the main driving force of the weather is the sun, not C02.

          • Claire

            It has been hot as heck and humid all week. Our heat index has been 106 degrees, and again today. It is positively miserable here. This has been a crummy summer. If it isn’t pouring down rain with violent lightening and winds, then it is hot and humid.

          • Al Sieber

            Well last week it was 115* where I’m at, and 30 miles away across the Colorado River in Laughlin Nv. it was 123* and this week it’s around 100 because the Monsoon hit parts of the s.w. that is not evidence of Global Warming.

          • Claire

            Al Sieber—I did not say it was global warming–however, I do think there is a change in the weather–Every time it rains here there is tornado warnings in effect. We used to NEVER have tornadoes here where I live. Now I think Illinois has become a part of tornado alley.
            There are changes in one way or another. For example, I have numerous flowers, I have hardly any bees, next to no butterflies, and I never use chemicals. Some of these factors have been caused by humankind. This also applies to the oil spill. Sometimes it seems some humans are out to destroy everything good in the world.

          • Al Sieber

            Claire, I know you didn’t say Global Warming. I’ve only seen a couple of tornados out here, that was enough.

          • Vicki

            I’ve heard about those changes in the weather. Back where I come from we call them seasons.

          • Claire

            Where I come from, we call them seasons too. However, we did not have the tornadoes like we do now, and they are popping up almost every time we have a thunderstorm. I see a change where I live–more volatility.

          • vicki

            I don’t think we have been here long enough to know the full range that “seasons” can offer. Historical evidence (not hidden from us by the ClimateGate “Scientists”) shows both much warmer and much cooler climate than we currently see. It would be logical to assume that things like hurricanes and tornadoes would be affected.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            To Claire. You talked about having Tornado’s when you didnt before. You know, it is written that in the end times, you will see more Tornado’s and Hurricanes and Earthquakes and Fires and Floods, and one doesnt have to look to far to see that. And the world is reserved for destruction by fire, so really, I would think sooner or later we will start warming up, as a birthing pang leading up to it, but I could be wrong on that warming up part, who knows. But it is written about the other signs, and they are coming at us faster and quicker than ever. But hey, it could be tomorrow, or it may be a thousand years. Who knows. But we all need to make sure were ready, because as it is written, He will come like a thief in the night when you least expect it. And He will come.

          • Claire

            Beberoni–Yes, I have often thought about what you have said. It always comes to mind whenever we have tornado warnings. I sometimes will think “Is this it.” One never knows. Things are coming at us quicker and faster. And you are correct, he will come when we least expect it, and yes, we best be prepared.

    • Rick

      And what exactly do you want to do about it?

  • justcommonsense

    Chip, check your short historical article of a few days ago concerning Henry Ford, etc. I think you made one small mistake. I had two Model A Ford trucks, a 1928 and a 1931. I think the first Model A was in 1927 or 1928, not 1903. I think the 1903 Ford was the Model T. I know, you would think that a T would come after an A in a production series, but the chronological sequence for Ford tractors was: 9N, 2N, 8N. Go figure.

  • Marcus Aurellus

    I remember after the conservatives helped put W Bush is office twice the claimed that he wasn’t a real republican.

    How is that for not being responsible.

    Reagan gave amnesty to millions of illegal aliens and the right to vote. He also, ran up huge deficit spending. David Stockman quit because it was out of hand.

    He decontrolled the airlines and the financial institutions. He ended the sky marshal program.

    You are so full of it.

    • Dale on left coast

      “Conservatives helped put Bush in office” ? ? ?

      But remember the alternatives in 2000 and 2004 were lyin fat Al and lyin clueless Kerry.

      Regan had to deal with Free-spending Dimmicraps in both houses.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Ronald Reagan. I miss that guy. If it wasnt for him, you’d probably be speaking Russian by now pal. Get over it, and recognize genius when its right in front of you. And put your left wing democratic agenda away. It reeks bad. I know. I was one of you until Ronald Reagan came along.

      • Bob Wire

        Reverse Robin Hood Reagan !

        Talk about a wealth transfer!

        “Let’s wake up this Industrial Giant!”

        and all the rest of you that’s not connected or engaged with big business, military complex and special interest ~ just sit and watch!

        Try to stay out of the way if you don’t mind, in fact ! just take a break we’ve got this , you can go home and watch the good news on TV. ~ We’ll keep you updated with our progress. Watch your neighbors that are “in the loop” wash their new cars and ski rigs in their driveways.

        Oh! by the way! we’ll send the IRS around to collect all your donations to support our efforts and all the GOOD works being done here so you’ll not feel completely left out of the loop!

        And that’s the way it was for over 50% of American. I too, am proud of Reagan’s achievements but they came at a get cost to many of us, while others were rewarded and can’t understand the reasons for our sour grapes .

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          If you were trying to say something, it didnt come out to clear. Maybe translate that into english. All I know is, America experienced its greatest peace time prosperity ever because of his leadership, and he also buckled the once thought threat of the cold war with Russia. I miss having a leader, that when he talked, the enemy took notice and straightened up. We could use a man like that again. I hope he is on the horizon.

  • hopalong

    THROW OUT ALL THE POLITICIANS IN OFFICE NOW, FROM THE DOG CATCHER TO THE PRESIDENT.

    • Karolyn

      Yeah, ,then YOU take over Hopalong if you think you can do better!

      • Al Sieber

        Karolyn, he probably could do better.

        • dan of arizona

          So Al its kingman right

          • Al Sieber

            dan, not Kingman, between Kingman and Mohave Vlly., not Oatman either, but close. I live out in the Mtns. dan in the middle of nowhere, near the Goldroad Mine.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Count your blessings Al, living out in the mountains as you say. I live here in the flatlands of Indiana, and though I like it here, there is something special about being in the mountains and in the forests, whether it be in the Smoky Mountains or the Rocky Mountains, or other mountains. We in the flat areas only dream about living in the mountains, but I am going to retire and live there, no doubt about it.

  • Sue

    There is really only one thing to be addressed. The legitimacy of
    obama to hold office. Once that has been established, then people of both parties and all others will know which way the wind blows.

    Until then, the question of birth is huge, not a small issue and it is one by which many could rise or fall, including destructive “crisis” management programs that feed the power grabbb.

    Trying to change the changer is not enough.

    • Bob

      Either we believe in the rule of law or not.

      The alternative is the rule of man which is subject to any whim or fancy.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      The democrats go whichever way the wind blows. What ever the liberal media tells them is popular, all the sudden that is what they are for. Like they were all for the war, they all harped Saddam was dangerous and that he had WMD’s and had to be stopped, because that was a popular thought. Then the all voted to go to war, because America was pissed when they blew up our towers. So that was popular they were all for it. Now after a few years, and the liberal pacifists and the liberal media all started their turning the public against the republicans using the war, then it wasnt so popular, so now all the sudden they are all against it and its Bush’s war, even though they touted it before he came along, and even though they all voted for it. Then he had it going good, making great strides, then the democrats take over, and to make it unpopular more, they start getting off course, and things are now going bad and more are getting killed than ever before, and people want it to end, and the democrats want it to go bad, you know, so they can blame Bush more. They want America to lose, to blame Bush, because if we stayed the course and it ended well as it was heading that way, it would make Bush look good, and the democrats cant have that. The leeches need voted out in 2012, and they will be. No doubt about that.

  • Joyce from Loris

    I am an independent and very ANTI-GOVERNMENT. I don’t like any of them right now, and wish for the whole lot of them to be voted out come November. We have to remember that the house and the senate is full of lawyers. Lawyers make our laws, mostly in language that no one can read but them. They make these laws, and then the TV is full of ads by lawyers to help you sue for some lame reason or another. I feel that WE THE PEOPLE have to push for new legislators, and to end welfare in this country. Welfare is crippling our local and state governments. My husband and I travel 12 states. We see the effects of welfare everywhere. The welfare people live BETTER and have more money than the working class people. The working class people are sick and tired of that. Everywhere we go, there are HELP WANTED signs in businesses. But these businesses can’t get people to apply. They make too much money on their welfare and unemployment!!! This is ridiculous, and the Federal Government wants us ALL to be equally poor.

    • Karolyn

      I don’t know where you’re traveling and seeing “Help Wanted” signs “everywhere”. I would imagine you might have seen a couple and exagerrated the number. You sure don’t see them around here in Rural SC. I have been without a job for 4 years and had to take SS retirement benefits early, which amount to $698 per month. I bring in an additional $100-$200 per month in online sales; and they cut my Food Stamps in half to $78 per month. But, you know what? I’m grateful that I get something. Where is your empathy for those who truly need help? I know there are users. There always have been and always will be. Are you one of these people who would just let the sick lay out in the street and die like so many others on this forum?

      • JeffH

        Spoken like a true “bleeding heart” liberal…on the government dole too…

        • Karolyn

          Yeah, and I get a government Pell Grant for going back to school. Don’t you just love it? :>)

          • Rick

            I got the Lesko program and wont have to work until things really hit th e fan!

        • eddie47d

          There’s a difference in getting assistance for awhile and permanently parking your butt on the govt. dole. Some people on welfare need to get a backbone and move on but I don’t think Karolyn is abusing the system. Are you jealous or so angry your head will bust? Your about as compassionate as a scorpion. There are “bleeding heart” Liberals and “cold hearted” Conservatives. We know which side both of us are on.

          • Karolyn

            A voice of reason! How rare here!

      • Joyce from Loris

        I knew it!! I knew it!! You are one of the users. No, I don’t believe in letting people die in the streets, but I also don’t believe in allowing people to feel that others are responsible for them. Where is your family?? I am sorry that you have your issues, whatever they may be, but after having cancer three times in my life, and having to pay all those bills myself, without a handout from the government, I say this to you… It is not my fault that you have your issues, no more than it was your fault that I have fought these cancer battles. The difference is, I don’t expect you to take care of me. I have always worked. I took chemo, and got off the table and went to work. The help I received came from my family in the form of taking care of my baby while I was in the hospital having surgery. I didn’t ask you to do anything for me.

        • kate8

          God bless you, Joyce.

        • Karolyn

          Well, Joyce, you are very lucky. I only have 2 brothers who are in no position to help and live 600 miles away. I’ve told this story before. The Quakers have always been hard workers. They would work all during the growing season to get their crops in for the winter. Winter would come and they would get guests in the form of people who were poor and hadn’t helped. They didn’t care. They ascribed to the belief that we are all brothers and fed those people. We are all here to help each other. What other reason could there be?

          • Joyce from Loris

            Yeah? Well, just exactly WHO are you helping? Besides, I am not a Quaker. The bible teaches us “If you give a man a fish, he will eat a day. If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for the rest of his life”. God did not intend for people to make themselves a burden on others.

          • Rick

            By “help” do you mean take my money?

          • kate8

            Help each other, yes, because we choose to help. Being forced to help is another story. And to “help” because people demand it and expect it, well….

          • Rick

            Kate8, Great! I help people all the time but its my choice who & when. I could help more if I didnt pay such high taxes to support those who steel it int he name of taxation and give it to those that dont want to help themselves. Instead of forcing me to “help” how about giving me a break so I dont have to work two jobs to feed my family?

          • Vicki

            Karolyn the difference is very easy to understand

            Many/most of us help our neighbors. Many/most of us contribute to charities. http://www.cafemom.com/answers/377161/Republicans_give_a_bigger_share_of_their_incomes_to_charity

            What we object to is the government coming to us and taking our wealth at gunpoint to give to the charity of their choice.

            Liberals call it social engineering. Conservatives call it theft.

      • Joyce from Loris

        Also, the help wanted signs are a fact, in every state. Now, I have to end this debate, as I HAVE TO GO TO WORK, STAND IN THE HEAT ALL EVENING AND HOPE AND PRAY THAT I MAKE SOME SALES SO THAT I CAN PAY MY TAXES TO ALLOW YOU TO GRIP BECAUSE YOUR DAMN FOOD STAMPS HAVE BEEN CUT TO $78 A MONTH AND YOUR CHECK HAS BEEN CUT TO LESS THAN $700 A MONTH. BOO HOO. Some months, I don’t make that much money, WORKING. How can you afford a computer and the internet if you are living off the government?? Maybe you can stop spending money on extravagant items such as that, and will be able to feed yourself.

        • Karolyn

          I’ve worked my whole life (40+ years) and have nothing to be ashamed of.

          • Joyce from Loris

            Well, I am almost 60 years old. I am working to provide money for you to sit on your butt and feel you are getting what you deserve. You aren’t ashamed?? No, people like you have no shame, and no honor either. I am not surprised at your lack of shame, nor your lack of independence. Your kind never has those characteristics.

        • Al Sieber

          Joyce, I’m with you, and I understand where you’re coming from. I work my ass off too. what are these people gonna do when they start cutting welfare and food stamps? their talking about it.

          • Karolyn

            Gave you ever had the guts and independence to own your own business and be an entrepeneur most of your life? Well I have. Oh, I geet it, the one who works the hardest gets the gold star. OK. Life is not about working; it’s about being and loving. Despite your anger and hatred, I love you because we are all one. :=)……AND we are all God!

          • kate8

            Karolyn, It’s easy to day that like is not about working, but about being and loving, when you don’t have to worry about bringing in enough money to make ends meet and cough over part of that so those who are “being and loving” don’t have to worry.

            BTW, working and being and loving are not mutually exclusive.

          • kate8

            “easy to say”

          • Jeep

            Krikeys Karolyn, that has got to be the dumbest thing I have heard in a while. You are like the thief apologizing to the victim. Do you really expect the victim to say, “Oh, gosh, since you’re robbing me with love, then that’s okay with me!”

          • Al Sieber

            I have my own business, and I’ve had a few other businesses; sucessfull and failures, and I don’t hate you.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        They are all over Northern Indiana. I went in a gas station, a restaurant, and a big chain store just yesterday, and all 3 had help wanted signs. Problem is, people dont want to work when the government is putting money in their hands for a year and a half. For crying out loud, my son lost his job because he wouldnt get his butt out of bed on time, and it was a good job. Unemployment gives him a little over 400 bucks a week, so sit on his butt. He is in no hurry to get a job, as are millions of other folks on the public dole. Now he doesnt live at home, or Id kick him in the butt and tell him to get a job or get out. But if someone wants a job, its there. They are all over.

        • Claire

          I will have to add my comments. Here in my town I do not see “help wanted” signs. What I see are men on various street corners holding their signs that say: “Will work for food.”
          Where I shop, I do not see help wanted signs in any of the stores, and gas stations. When I drive past Goodwill there is always a tremendous crowd. Their parking lot is always full. They do a “brisk” business.
          Another comment–people that hold a full-time job are not responsible or liable for the idiots that choose to live off welfare. For example, it is not my fault if people choose to live off the government and MY tax dollar. The only alternative is to vote for a candidate that WANTS to clean up the welfare system. Until such time this happens, we are stuck with the people that do not want to work and continue to live off the governement/taxpayer.
          There appears to be no end to the leeches, and the chronic misdeeds of the administrations.

          • Vicki

            And the leaches are allowed to vote :(

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And the administrators like to keep the leeches on the government dole, down and dependant on them, and then the leeches keep voting for the guys that keep them down and dependant on them, and I have a hard time understanding that logic. “Lets vote for someone who will keep us down and depandant on them”. Gee OK, Im all in. It doesnt make sense.

      • Rick

        By “empathy” you mean my money?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Well see Karolyn, here is where the solution to that comes from. As a Christian, I believe in giving 10 percent of my income to my home church, as a start of the giving process. The start. There is other things I give to, like the local rescue mission, make a wish, and other good solid charities like that. But as a start, 10 percent goes to my home church. Now, if you dont know it, you need to know, that it is the church’s job to take care of the poor and the needy. As a believer, the Bible is our guide. And it tells to take care of the widow and the poor, always. The Bible is written for the believer, and the believer, is the church. So if all Christians do what they are supposed to do, and give their home church 10 percent of their income, then as it is written, “there will be enough food in the storehouse for everyone”. It isnt the governments job to decide how much money the are going to “force take” from me, then decide whom they deem worth to receive it. That is wrong. The governments job is to keep us safe with a strong military. To keep our infrastructure sound, our roads and bridges and such. Our police force and fire fighters and things like that. It is not their job to be a bleeding heart liberal and take from me and give to you, or whomever. Its not. And you will find most bleeding heart liberals think the government should give give give to these so called poor lying in the streets that you refer to, yet they dont give a dime to their church that would truly aid the real poor. And to tell the truth, the only poor I see lying around in alleys and under bridges, are people who have put themselves their via alcohol and drugs. Sorry, Im not going to give them money to go buy another bottle of thunderbird. No no. That why I give to the rescue mission. They take these guys in, make them work there, and make them clean up and get off the alcohol and drugs, and attempt to reveal Jesus Christ to them that they may get their hope restored again. That’s what has happened to most of these people you see out like that, theyve lost their hope. Nobody cares about them is how they feel. Yet Ive seen it, when they come to realize that there is one who cares about them, Jesus Christ, I have seen lives restored, and guys rebound and become successes out of the ashes. Then they help others. That is how its supposed to be. Nobody is going to get any better from government handouts of welfare and food stamps. For 90 percent or more, that has become a way of life, and a lifelong dependance on the government. It doesnt work, and its not supposed to be that way. Yet the bleeding heart liberal, instead of getting their hands dirty, contributing their time and resources to the church and the rescue missions, and getting involved and serving these people, it is much more self serving to them to try to make the government take care of this, when its not the governments place or problem, its ours the people, and ours the church. Not the government, so people like you have got to get that mindset out of your heads and change it. Have any of these people that live on the government dole gotten any better with these government handouts? No. And its a drain on government resources on top of it. And it for some reason, keeps these dependant people voting for the democrats, who purposely keep them down, while purporting that they are helping them. Its not helping them, its a hindrance to them. The sooner you all wake up and see that, the better off we all will be. I get my hands dirty, and I see the results of the work and time invested. A free handout doesnt compel anyone to get better. Ive seen that all too much also. It just doesnt work. You give a man a handout, you soon break his spirit. You build him up and make him work for his money, he becomes something. Thats just how it is.

  • hopalong

    WE NEED ANOTHER MCCARTHY, OF THE EARLY 1950′S FAME. THE BIGGEST CATCH WOULD BE THE PRESIDENT.

    • kate8

      hopalong, I agree with you. McCarthy, though much maligned by the left, saved us from communism during his day, when it was still considered treason to be a communist.

      He warned us that they would not go away, so the left had to discredit him in order to “progress” their agenda.

  • Bob Wire

    No we don’t ! but it tells us where your mind is at ~ and I thank you for the heads up.

  • Robert M. Collinsworth

    Beware of Snake-oil salesmen in politicians clothing!

    For almost a year now, we have been exposed to report after report stating that we have turned the corner and the economy is on the mend, that things are not that bad, that happy days are here again. There is a problem with these messages. They ring hollow at best!

    The real unemployment rate (that which includes all of the unemployed, not just those still collecting unemployment benefits) is at 21.7%. Yes, the government figures state that unemployment is at 9.6% but that percentage reflects only those individuals still collecting unemployment benefits. The individuals who have already collected the maximum, are self-employed but without work, or have given-up looking for work after a year or more are not counted by the government. The “U6” figures are the most accurate unemployment figures and even the “U6” figures do not include all of the unemployed. Remember when we were told that unemployment would not exceed 8%?

    An recent AP article titled “Homes lost to foreclosure on track for 1M in 2010” and written by ALEX VEIGA states that the number of homes foreclosed on in 2010 will exceed 1 million. In 2009, the number of homes foreclosed on was just over 900,000. The number of foreclosures prior to 2009 averaged just 100,000 homes. The number of home foreclosed on climbed 8% over the last year and over 900% Obama’s first year in office. Does this sound as if we are headed in the right direction?

    Those lucky individuals who managed to either keep their jobs or find new jobs did so at a reduced pay rate. Benefits at many jobs have either been drastically reduced or eliminated. Jobs are being shipped off shore at an astounding rate and many foreign nationals are being brought to the U.S. to fill existing jobs at a lower rate of pay than the U.S. citizens who once held those jobs were making. Again, I ask, “Do you think this is heading in the right direction”?

    40.2 million Americans are currently on food stamps and the White House says that number will likely increase to 43.3 million Americans sometime in 2011. Again I ask “Does this sound like we are headed in the right direction”?

    The current administration and Congress should have been promoting and passing legislation that would (1) give companies a reason to create new private sector jobs, (2) give companies a reason to keep jobs held by taxpaying U.S. citizens here in the U.S. and filled by U.S. citizens, and (3) give companies a reason to bring jobs that have been sent off shore, back to be filled by U.S. citizens. How, you might ask, could they do that? The answer is quite simple really, tax breaks! You see, companies are in business to make a profit for the individuals who invest in them. When taxes go up, those companies will find a way to reduce expenses, thus keeping profits up and one way to do that is to find cheaper labor, which usually translates to off shore hiring. Large enough tax breaks would provide the impetus necessary to reverse the trend to replace taxpaying U.S. workers with foreign nationals.

    Until the government realizes that the average U.S. citizen prefers a leg-up to a handout, the deterioration we are currently experiencing will continue. The bottom-line is this: Rather than taking steps that would create a job rich environment, the current crop of career politicians chose to focus on programs that would push spending (and ultimately taxes) to obscene levels. Programs like Cap and Trade, Obamacare, Stimulus, Cash for Clunkers, Bank Bailouts, and Automotive Company Bailouts have created a fiscal chasm that will probably take generations to bridge.

    When U.S. citizens are told the truth and work together, they can accomplish any task but these two elements are key to beating the economic morass we currently find ourselves in. The truth has been quite scarce coming out of Washington recently and those elected officials (from both sides of the political aisle) warming the seats there offer divisiveness and partisanship . . . not leadership.

    So, the next time you hear “The recovery plan is working”, question the intelligence, the veracity, and possibly even the sanity of the speaker.

    • Bob Wire

      yea! kinda sounds like Bush is still in office! LOL!! ~ It was the same way under Reagan, Glossy news but bare clubbers! It pleases me that everyone was doing so well, while I “downsized”!

      I wished ~ I truly wished ~ McCain had won!
      I think you people should clean up after your own mess!

      I really do.

      You are being played like fiddle.

      If this gathering of minds is any representation of where the American mind is at today ~ we are in a serious, stall, spin, crash and burn scenario.

      But you are “Not” and it is not! ~As you only represent “maybe” 15 % of the 28 % of American hard core voters.

      I have to remind myself of this from time to time, to get a reality check or I’d be looking for a 2nd amendment solution myself.

      Otherwise, I might be left to thinking ~ you people are normal, average Americans. That work, raise children, pay taxes and vote when the urge hits you.

      Work! ?? whats that? ~~ It’s normally been considered producing something or serving someone. ~ but not today! not anymore.

      Earlier, I suggested Arizona was a welfare state and some took exception.

      Many of the people in Arizona, think they know about “work” ~ while the “State” is their biggest employer! That’s RIGHT! ~ They work hard! churning out government! Government for all the lesser people of their state. ~ You know the one’s? The ones that work for Walmart. That’s right! Arizonians second largest employer in the state is Walmart!

      ~ Well the retired seniors has got needs too ~ you know! And then too! Walmart depends heavily on shoppers crossing the border to buy as Mexico doesn’t offer anything close to what Walmart can offer in price or goods. ~ maybe in Mexico City perhaps ~ but nothing within 500 miles of the border. ~

      So all of this is “GOOD” ?? ~ sound business? I’m left to wonder about state taxes ~ maybe you should look it up? ~ maybe that’s one reason why Arizonian’s are unhappy? ~ everyone works for the state except the retire snowbirds!

      Hi! welcome to Walmart! May I help you find something?

      “Hello! welcome to Arizona ~ can I interest you in some beads?” ~ “maybe a little silver for that naked finger? Maybe some Turquoise for the lady’s neck?”

      Get real people ~ ! You have make a conscious decision to be a part of the problem. Good Government is for sale to the highest bidders.

      You are bought and paid for! You fight us for the liberty to be a whore.

      Okay ~ you win ~ this is your decision and you are free to make it.

      When you grow tired of taking it up the backside by special interest look for no sympathize or support here. Today, The devil offers you the world, why not accept the offer? He’s such a nice conservative devil, he’s told you so himself!

      • Al Sieber

        BW, you are a ignorant fool who doesn’t do his research. I told you the day, Ariz. has Agriculture, Mining, industry etc. you think we just string turquoise and silver beads and sell them to the tourists? you really are talking to yourself.

        • Ted Crawford

          He has to talk to himself Al! Most of the rest of us stopped listening to his idiotic alinsky rants long, long ago!!!

          • Al Sieber

            Well I’m done with him too….

          • Bob Wire

            This will come as a shock to you Ted, but your not the center of the universe.

            Many people enjoy my post ~and read them for whatever reasons. ~ just like you do, you can’t help yourself. You can love it or love to hate it.

            I’m not here to be your friend or pander to you but strength your argument so maybe you “might” offer us a better option next time. The last one really sucked!

        • Bob Wire

          I guess you haven’t kept up! I admit, I baited you ~ calling Arizona a welfare state and you took the bait ~

          I consider any state who biggest employer is “IT SELF” a welfare state.

          as we have accepted the government doesn’t create wealth and we encourage smaller government, so tell me about this farming and mining? ~

          So we have a majority of the people living off the efforts of a few ~ You tell me what you call that ~! Mr. Smarty Pants. I don’t care what the states got! If the two major employers in the state , is the State of Arizona followed by Walmart. That states got a serious problem!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        What an ass. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Get a life man. Your pathetic.

      • Bob Collinsworth

        Hey Bob Wire – You really do have trouble handling facts don’t you. You rant and rave while offering no verifiable facts in retort. My guess is that they refused to allow you on the grade school debating team after listening to you rants and obvious failure to do research. Try reality, research, and restraint – the 3 “R’s” you seem to be short on before coming to discuss anything with Rationsl people. That is the 4th “R” you are also just a bit short on.

  • chucky

    I hope Mitt Romney runs for President. He has proved his hands on management by taking a very hard task of making the winter Olympics in Salt Lake City a success.(while Vancouver Olympics cost Canadians 200 million+)in spite of his wife being diagnoised with MS. He took over with 379 million dollars short. even having to increase security as a result of 9/11,turned a 101 million dollar profit. This is from wikipedia and states as follows:When the offer came for Romney to take over the troubled 2002 Olympic Winter Games, to be held in Salt Lake City in Utah, she(wife with MS) urged him to take it, and eager for a new challenge, he did.[58][57] On February 11, 1999, Romney was hired as the new president and CEO of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee.[59]

    Before Romney came on, the event was running $379 million short of its revenue benchmarks.[59] Plans were being made to scale back the games to compensate for the fiscal crisis.[60] The Games had also been damaged by allegations of bribery involving top officials, including prior Salt Lake Olympic Committee president and CEO Frank Joklik. Joklik and committee vice president Dave Johnson were forced to resign.[61]

    Romney revamped the organization’s leadership and policies, reduced budgets, and boosted fund raising. He soothed worried corporate sponsors and recruited many new ones.[57][62] He admitted past problems, listened to local critics, and rallied Utah’s citizenry with a sense of optimism.[57] Romney worked to ensure the safety of the Games following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks by ignoring those who suggested the games be called off and coordinating a $300 million security budget.[58][63] He became the public face of the Olympic effort, appearing in countless photographs and news stories and even on Olympics souvenir pins.[57] Romney’s omnipresence irked those who thought he was taking too much of the credit for the success, or had exaggerated the state of initial distress, or was primarily looking to improve his own image.[62][57] Overall he oversaw a $1.32 billion budget, 700 employees, and 26,000 volunteers.[59]

    Despite the initial fiscal shortfall, the Games ended up clearing a profit of $100 million,[64] not counting the $224.5 million in security costs contributed by outside sources.[65] Romney broke the record for most private money raised by any individual for an Olympics games, summer or winter.[58](end of wikipedia article) Anyone who can turn a profit from an Olympic games(had not been done in a long,long time).imagine what the CHICAGO OLYMPICS would of cost us after kickbacks from the unions and politicans there if they would of been given the Olympics LOL)

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And that is exactly what we need, someone to run the country like a business, and stop all this nonsense of social agencies and free handouts living on the government dole. Drop taxes, make jobs, and make these lazy bums work for their money. If they are drawing unemployment, make them walk along the highways and pick up trash. Use them to paint schools, or mow public grass areas. I really dont see the problem with working for your wages. Ive done it all my life.

      • Rick

        Amen!

      • Vicki

        We tried that in California. I don’t think just running a business is enough. Arnie looks talks and acts like the poster child for RINO these days.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Heck man, Arnold doesnt know nothing about running a business. The guy is an actor, and he is acting like he is a governor. The only reason he got elected, is because all the “beautiful” people out there went to the polls, and thought “Oh, Ive heard of that name, Ill vote for him”. He has been a dismal failure, as has Pelosi and Boxer and Feinstein. When youve got your state, being taken over by illegal aliens, and sucking your funds dry, and these so called leaders in your state make statements like Pelosi just did, saying that “we need to give these people more help”, its sick. You all need to wake up out there and vote these leeches out of office that are not only sucking up the money themselves, ala Pelosi and her private jets, but they are giving it away to illegals so they can get their votes in the future. How could you people continually elect her and Barbara Boxer to office? Just how does that work? Amazes me.

  • Kris

    nOBAMA CAME TO MISSOURI LAST WEEK TO STUMP FOR ROBIN CARNAHAN. THE BEST PART OF IT WAS, THEY HAD TO LOWER THE COST OF THE TICKETS TO GET INTO THE BUILDING AND THE BUILDING WASN’T EVEN 3/4′S FULL!!!! A SHOW AT THE FOLLY THEATER WAS FULL TO OVERFLOWING. GUESS HE’S NOT AS POPULAR AND HE THINKS HE IS!!!!!! LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE TOOK THE NAILS OUT OF HIS CROSS! HE’S A LEGEND IN HIS OWN MIND!!!

  • http://yahoo.com William Osborne Sr.

    I have respect for the office of the President but I have absolutely no respect for Obama. This is a man that is doing everything in his power to ruin America, tear it to pieces, run all the jobs out of the country, and bring in 12,000,000 illegal aliens free of charge for one thing, so they can vote for him on election day. I believe that you should have to show your ID before you vote and prove who you are, it doesn’t make sense to just be able to go in and vote, then go to another precinct, give a false name and vote again. McCain never had any intentions of ever winning the presidency and held Sarah Palin back all he could to make sure that Obama won. Well, we got change alright, it’s called socialism/communism/fascism and finally if Obama has his way, there will be no voting in 2012 and he will have military rule and finally a dictatorship. He’s taken over the industries, we have lost thousands of jobs since he’s been in, and he did absolutely nothing for 50-60 days about the oil spill, just so it would ruin our fishing and our beaches. I could go on but one other thing, he hates the jews which are our close allies, everyone knows he is Muslim, he want even stand in front of the American flag. He now stands behind a yellow silk cloth that appears to be Muslim. He has a great hatred for Police Officer, the Military, and anyone that might get in his way to become the great “Ruler’” Thank God I didn’t vote for him and we have no one to blame but ourselves for voting in a socialist Muslim that has one thing in mind and thats to tear our country apart!

    William G. Osborne

    • Don

      Mr. Osborne Sr. you have hit the nail on the head, and i hope some of these American people posting here realize that come Nov. Thank You

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      He brings absolutely nothing to the table, just pointing fingers and placing blame, and that just doesnt get the job done. Its high time to get a real man in there that isnt afraid to go to work. Thank God 2012 is coming soon. We cant take much more of this leper.

      • JeffH

        Not this administration, nor this President can understand that what we need in this country is to restrain the growth in government, to encourage people, entrepreneurs, small business start-ups so that we can assume a posture of calculated risk so that we can promote innovation and jobs.

        America is at a crossroads’. We are going to decide the future by this 2010 election because we can go 1 of 2 ways. Either we go in the direction that the Obama administration wants to take us, which could very well end up in a state like Greece, where you have got public unions controlling more and more of the allocation of capital, where you have got higher taxes, more regulation, which stifles the ability for the private sector to grow, or you can return back to the kind of America that I think most of us know, which is, more freedom, more ability to earn your own success, and to stop relying on the government to continue to crank out spending money we do not have to determine the outcome. You just cannot have government continue to grow without having the ability to pay for it.

        • kate8

          Can you imagine if the democrats do, in fact, rig the election in November and retain power? It’s likely that the country would explode. And I think that is precisely what they want.

          Maybe this is the next false flag.

          • Ted Crawford

            I’m not sure how big this thing with North Korea will be. The next few days should tell us, but remember this administration will use anything at all to try to disrupt these comming elections!!!

          • JeffH

            Ted, my thoughts exactly…

          • kate8

            Has anyone heard that their was another oil spill in China? Someone told me this today. I have not heard about it.

          • Claire

            kate8—Yes, I heard it too but I don’t know the details. Just what the world needs.

          • Claire

            kate8–I said Just what the world needs–I meant this is not good. The oceans do not need another oil spill. I figured you would know what I meant, I should have been more self-explantory.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Ill tell you right now, that if the democrats win this election, we are all in big trouble. Not just because they will still be in power, but because it would mean just what you said, that they rigged the election. And if the democrats get absolute control where they can control election results, we are so screwed as a nation that we wont last another 20 years. And they wouldnt even notice it going. Lepers.

  • http://gmail i41

    Joyce, yes we have to many welfare rats that aren’t going to work. There is jobs, the biggest BS thing is isn’t their feild, it isn’t in their 8-5 time frame., they will not work weekends, they will not get their fingers dirty, they just will not get off their dead asses. Now the dumb assed dems just added another 15 billion in debt, how much motivation is that. Hells bells there is even lawn mowing services looking for help, but Oh my it might be hot. Watch how manyu welfare rats have $1000 tattoos, that is a waste of money , but maybe a tramp stamp is easy advertisement for a free test ride? In Wyo. companies are hiring people and training them to be joourneyed licened electricans. Trade schools aren’t turning them out fast enough. We have to many “experts” who don’t know s–t, just like Onumnutts, theorys and classroom time a worthless combo.

    • Joyce from Loris

      I agree! I say a bill board in Ohio that a car dealership had put up BEGGING for technicians! My goodness, a bill board! In Virginia this week, Bojangles had a job fair. Two, TWO, people showed up for interviews. It’s amazing! In North Carolina, a REPUBLICAN booth was set up at an event. The person manning the booth told my husband that he had been out of work for over a year, but was not trying to find a job. His unemployment check was for $400 a week, and he said he couldn’t find a job THAT PAID THAT WELL! so he wasn’t looking for work until the benefits run out. Our nation is full of people like that. Unemployment, my butt. I am almost 60 years old and have never been unemployed in my life. There is always something you can find to do to take care of yourself. That is the difference in today society versus the society that lived BEFORE WELFARE AND THE CIVIL RIGHTS was created. We always had to work, or go hungry and homeless. Now, welfare people have more money than I do, and I have been made fun of by these people for working!! Really, I have! I had a young man, less than 30 years old, make fun of me. He was on DISABILITY because he had OD’ed on Oxycotin. He made, with free housing, free medical, food stamps and his check, more than $40,000 a year. He made fun of me for working!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And sadly, that is the think tank of those living on the public dole, and unfortunately for this country, this no doer in charge, has balooned welfare, food stamps and unemployment, to keep these people on the public dole, so they dont make anything of themselves, and stay dependant on the government. That way the democrats keep their votes, and that is exactly what they seek to do. Its not helping these people as they purport, its destroying them. Its a case of the man keeping you down, but the people just dont see it, as they have become dependant on the hand out. Thank the democrats and their social programs for this think tank.

        • Karolyn

          I repeat – I’ve lived 63 years and worked for 40+, so I’m not ashamed of taking advantage of whatever’s out there rather than be out in the street. I keep hearing about all these jobs. I would bet if you came here to Chesterfield County SC, you wouldn’t be able to find one. Well, you might if you’re a man or related to somebody. I’ve been in business for myself and have been selling on ebay for over 12 years. I can’t make what I made in 1998 or ’99. FYI I also sell at flea markets; so don’t call me lazy and “on the dole” like it’s some horrible thing. Maybe we sould go back to poorhouses?

          • JeffH

            …being a little defensive aren’t you? Tough when the shoe is on the other foot isn’t it!

          • Jeep

            You are too funny Karolyn. Unfortunately, you have no credibility. You ARE “on the dole”. Sorry, but when you take govt assistance you become a slave. It is not suprizing that you would support lib policies, after all who would vote for the guy that may “cut you off”? Certainly not you.

          • Karolyn

            My credibility is that I have lived on this earth for 63 years and taken care of my SELF my whole adult life.

          • Vicki

            Karolyn:
            I think the message is clear enough. Move to where the jobs are.

          • Jeep

            No Karolyn you have not taken care of yourself, you have relied on govt assistance. See how that works?

  • Alan

    Throwing these bums out is not the answer.
    We need to mature and expect the governemnt to govern.
    It is NOT the government’s job to feed, clothe, employ, educate and house us.
    If we accepted and understood the role of government, that is the role intended by the Constitution and the founders, we would not have foisted the role of charitable institution on the government.
    The government is not intended to be a philanthropic or benevolent organization. We have permitted the mis-guided concepts of statists and social engineers to permeate government where we now accept a subservient role to the state at all levels.
    The November elections are a time to not just switch out people in government but to reassess the role of government and remind ourselves the purpose of government in society. Concurrently, we must reassess the role of the individual, us, and remind ourselves the purpose of the individual in society as well.

    • Annie Ladysmith

      Are you from Nibiru??

    • Rick

      Double Amen! Unfortunately, this will not happen until it has to. What will it take?

    • kate8

      Alan, you are right. Just bear in mind that government “compassion” is not really because they “care”, it’s because it’s an effective tool to garner votes. “Vote for me and I’ll take care of you”.

      Eventually that helping hand of government ends up around everyone’s neck.

    • Vicki

      We are a self governing people. We do not need a Nanny posing as a governor. We do need representatives who will honor their oath and who will actually represent us. Starting with READING the BILLS.

      http://www.downsizedc.org/etp/campaigns/27

  • Annie Ladysmith

    This is what I predict; unless an open ballot is mandated, each and every one of key election positions will be rigged. A 51% over a 49%.
    If you do not get this by now you are willfully ignorant. The only chance of change is in a ballot count by honest humans, if it’s electronically counted, there will be no change!

    • kate8

      Annie, I think you are right about this.

      Heads up, folks. This is what happens in EVERY country when the commies/socialists take over.

      We must stand up and DEMAND an accurate accounting of real ballots. Otherwise they will continue to do what they’ve been doing (a la AL Franken) and manipulating the vote.

      • Karolyn

        Talk about paranoid!

        • Rick

          Are you saying this wont happen?

        • Vicki

          Learn from history or be prepared to suffer thru it again.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Yeah, Im not a big fan of this electronic voting crap. Its too easy to rig and manipulate, and frankly, I dont trust either side in high places in the government, and thats a shame. A damn dirty shame.

      • Vicki

        We must have a paper trail. Electronic votes are way to easy to manipulate.

    • Al Sieber

      Annie, they were caught rigging the voting machines.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Paul W. Brock

    Hflashman is a typical liberal democrat. Just make up your own facts as you go along regardless of reality. No one gave the election to Bush. The courts ruled that you can not selectively count Florida’s vote in counties favorable to Gore. Also, NY Times found that Bush would have won recount. It was the democrats who tried to steal the election, just like the election of Al Franken in Minnesota. There a George Soros backed Secretary of State allowed bogus ballots to be counted and gave Al Franken the win. By the way, the face of the Democratic party is a clown. Please tell us which Americans (besides terrorists) civil rights were taken by the Bush administration. Please name one case. The fact is none were. A nation must protect itself. Finally, it was not the policies of the Bush administration that led to the recession. Chris Dodd and Barney Frank and the other democrats who controlled the congress the last two years of the Bush administration used Freddie Mae and Ginnie Mac to loot the Taxpayers of this country and enrich their well placed cronies. Wall street and the bankers contribute heavily to th e Democratic Party. A war to protect this country led by George Bush is undermined by the democrats who are now taking credit for success in Iraq. I don’t agree with Michael Savage on many things but he is right. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

    • Annie Ladysmith

      Are you from Nibiru???

    • chuck b

      paul brock

      you are wasting your time trying to convince liberals the truth, all of you forget barry soetoro was sitting in that same liberal senate that guided us into the mess we are in, he voted for all the bailouts, however, he can’t be held accountable, ignorance and stupidity is a virtue with liberals. the republicans did help them on their way to destroy the economy and bush didn’t have the guts to defy them, that’s where he is to blame.

  • Allan

    “Rory’s” website banner doesn’t include his last name and it’s the biggest print on the page. Also, his commercials have either left out or downplayed the Reid name.

  • jopa

    “Catastrophes avoided get little praise”.A statement made by Barney Fraank which is so true. President Obama has kept us out of a depression reformed Wall Street, has brought respect back to America,he is working on nuclear arms reduction, saved the auto industry, provided health care for Americans and the list goes on and on.He gets so little credit for so many major acclompllishments it boggles the mind.America is so blessed today and not enough Ammericans realize this because of media misinformation.One writer to this site claimed America is so screwed up because Democrats ruled 53 of the last 63 years.I have traveled in almost all states including Alaska & Hawaii and it looks pretty good to me.The Democrats get my vote.

    • Karolyn

      Amen!

      • Jeep

        Hey Karolyn, did you know you could cut out your internet fees and buy a lot of groceries? Or, since you appear to have not starved to death, you could send that money back to the govt treasury to help reduce the deficit. I’m just sayin’. But, you go ahead and vote for the guy that will increase your welfare check.

        • Karolyn

          Hey, Jeep, this is the only way I have of making ANY money – online sales or other work. Like today – It’s way too hot for the flea market at 85 degrees at 7 a.m. I make do pretty well with the LITTLE I get and am quite proud of myself.

          • Jeep

            He, he, he…you are sooo funny.

    • Brad

      Obamas accomplishments will be the down fall of this great country of oursa, his administration/congress is spending money we don’t have. they have no game plan to put the estimated 8-16 million Americans back to work, but they have a game plan to pay back their Union bosses. They have a game plan to tax us to death and further cause inflation across this nation because the fed is printing useless money. Cap and Trade what a joke just more taxes on energy, wait till you see 5 and 6 dollar gas if that bill is ever passed, then you will be crying to your messiah to repeal the bill. Where are the green jobs Obama promised, oh that’s right they are in China and India and not here!

      We need to tap into our own resourses in the US, we have enough oil within our own borders, we could export it onto the world market and pay off our debt in a matter of two years. At the same time we could put millions of Americans back to work. Then we could finance anything we wanted, we would be the strongest country in the world. Those in our country (liberals/progressives/environmentalists)want to hold us back, take from the working class and the rich to pay for their social agenda, what happens when they run out of other peoples money? Their base rallies and distroys look at Greese, look what socialism has done to Russia, Europe and other country’s who have taken that path, they are bankrupt and we heading in the same direction, bank on that.

    • Joyce from Loris

      The only people that Obama and Barney Frank has helped in this country are the people who only want a free handout. The working class, tax paying people have NOT seen the benefits at all. As far as Barney Frank, he is a freak. I, too, travel this nation extensively and I see daily the effects of hand outs to those who will not work. It is generational, handed down from parent to child, the belief that someone “owes” you a good life, versus teaching their children to work. We must end welfare and end Civil Rights, which provides more rights to terrorist than Americans.

      • Karolyn

        I work, therefore I am.

        • Jeep

          Sooo, work harder and stop taking money from the govt. Got it?

        • Joyce from Loris

          If you work, then why do you need government handouts and food stamps? Are you double dipping, keeping your earnings from the government in order to receive help?? If so, that is a disgrace, and makes you a far worse person that I first thought.

          • Karolyn

            You did not get the gist of what I said. I meant that it is you guys saying that a person has to work in order to be worth anything.

          • kate8

            Karolyn, some means of living certainly helps. Other than robbing those who DO work.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        What does Barney Frank know? My gosh man, he doesnt even know that he was made to be with a woman, not a sexual pervert sleeping with his own kind. Disgusting.

        • Karolyn

          Oops! Your prejudice is showing!

          • rwnut

            Karolyn…Prejudise? Bunny(Hot Butt)Frank is a friggin’ freak! No prejudice at all,just my opinion.

        • Al Sieber

          Beberoni, he was caught running a house of prostitution in his town house, with under age boys.

    • Al Sieber

      jopa, and how many rights has he taken away?

    • Rick

      Do you really believe that crap you wrote?

  • Norman

    How can a crook like Charlie Rangel remain in office for 40 years? America is either “on dope”,”on the phone” or “out to lunch”. Enjoy the “change” America. Wake up

    • Joyce from Loris

      Actually, they are at the ball game… football, basketball, baseball, whatever. There are more Americans who are knowledgeable about sports than about the workings of our government. They spend billions of dollars a year on sports, and proudly walk around with shirts touting their favorite team and players. Now, those elite players, who earn millions of dollars a year, are standing up and saying they will boycott Arizona for wanting to rid itself of parasites that are destroying it. Other states are now working to adopt the same laws as Arizona. Pretty soon, these multimillionaires will have no states to play in. Awwwww.

    • Joyce from Loris

      And, I forgot to add, these multimillionaire sport players donate millions to the NAACP, who now stands and calls white people racist because we disagree with Obama’s political agenda to turn our nation into a Socialist Society. Keep watching and supporting those players, though!

      • JLC

        Joyce — In their eyes, it is allowed to call a white person “Cracker,” or, “Honkie” but don’t dare to call one of them ——— Oops! I almost said it.

        • Claire

          An eye for an eye–if someone calls me a name (regardless of race) they can expect me to come right back at them and call them a name–

          • kate8

            Claire, I have a hard time believing that you would call them a name back. You strike me as being above that kind of nonsense. I don’t believe that you would step down to their level.

          • Claire

            kate8—You are correct–I probably would not stoop to their level, although sometimes in some situations it would be hard to not retaliate. Darn!! It is hard to behave!! LOL

          • JeffH

            Claire, you just make me smile sometimes…in a good way. Remind me not to get on your bad side though…just kidding.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      New York. Theres your answer. Hillary Clinton – New York. Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein – California. Liberal headquarters. There is the answers. You go to these messed up, totally in debt states, and people are so out of touch with reality. They only know what their liberal news papers and TV tells them. Other words, they dont know the truth.

      • JeffH

        Babs Boxer will be seeking employment elsewhere after November…Carly Fiorina? Oh yeah…a true Texas gal and a product of the great American dream…from secretary to CEO of HP…

        • rwnut

          JeffH….HOORAH!

      • kate8

        Beberoni, believe me, there are plenty of us in California who want to know the truth, and who stand up for America.

        JeffH is right. They are about to be unemployed.

        We needn’t cry too many tears for them, though. They’ve become multi-millionaires+ during their time of “service”. I think they can safely retire.

    • rwnut

      Norman…Charlie(greasy palm)Rangel just got charged today.His 40 years of corruption just might be over.

      • Rick

        A slap on the wrist for him!

        • rwnut

          Rick…You’re probably right.Let’s hope not.

  • Da Norseman

    Thank God that when I vote this November that a lot of these incumbents who are showing a deaf ear to their constituents by remaining loyal to this administration and its policies will be out of a job.

    • Karolyn

      Funny that you think you’re the only constituents voting.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The democrats are going out in droves. So far, it seems they are 0 for 3. Many more are coming. They even lost Massachusetts. Does that tell you anything? Come on, wake up already.

      • Al Sieber

        Karolyn, thats why you’re a liberal, all the free money and goodies, your education payed for. sooner or later they run out of other peoples money, probably real soon.

      • rwnut

        Karolyn….You guy’s are voting all right. Like the criminal felons who voted for Al Franken.Or the dead people who vote with you.Or Micky Mouse who voted with you.Or the dogs who voted with you.Or those who voted early and voted often with you.

        • Claire

          rwnut–As an avid lover of dogs, please do not categorize them with the human losers.

          • rwnut

            Claire..Forgive me. Hey, did you ever get that Rocky Marciano with the caramel floatin’ on top,at Starbucks,that I recommended? As Hussein O. would say,”umm,umm,umm”. Keep packin’heat,Claire. For Starbucks.

          • Claire

            rwnut–I am almost ashamed to admit that I have not been there yet!! But when I do, I will order what you have mentioned and let you know what I think!

          • JeffH

            rwnut, Caramel Machiotto???maybe?

          • rwnut

            JeffH…I’m laughing my butt off. I was wondering when someone would pick up on that.
            Claire…I was playing a little word game with you. JeffH is right.It is what he says. I could never pronounce the name,and it sounged like the champion boxer Rocky MARCIANO,so that’s what I call it. Still laughing.

          • JeffH

            rwnut, there are just certain names, words etc that remind us of familiar things…I got ya and do the same too…lol!

          • Claire

            rwnut—You got me!!! And here I thought you were serious!! I thought it was a kind of coffee drink! Geez, I fell for that hook line and sinker!! Okay, chalk one up for yourself!! LOL

          • rwnut

            Claire..I was serious. It is a real coffee drink,and good. I could never say those fancy Italian names.I’m the dummy. As JeffH said,the real name is, Caramel Machiotto.

          • rwnut

            JeffH…Help.

          • Claire

            rwnut–Okay, I get it. I guess I am the dummy, not you.

      • Rick

        Nah, not the “only” ones, just the silent majority.

      • Jeep

        No Karolyn, what is really funny is that people on govt assistance, like you, are allowed to vote for politicians that will provide more “free handouts”.

        • Rick

          Ya, its like the kids minding the candy store. but, the kids dont know what to do after they eat too much and get a stomach ache. Big time ache is on the way!

      • Claire

        At least the Conservatives/Libertarians/Independents don’t rely on the dead to be get elected.

        • Vicki

          Well, actually we do rely a lot on the dead. We just don’t expect or want the dead to VOTE. Reading their works so that we understand about society is a good thing.

  • Joyce from Loris

    Years ago, when Ross Perot was running for President, he was ridiculed for his prediction that if we entered the NAFTA agreement, we would hear a loud sucking sound of our jobs leaving this country. Both Democrats and Republicans made fun of him, called him ignorant for his prediction. Hummm, I think I heard that sucking sound start quite a while back, and now it’s louder than ever. No one wants to remember that we were warned!!

    • dan of arizona

      i remember well and couldnt belive nobody else could see what was going to happen. I guess the other sucking sound coming from the white house was to deafening from monica and the stench of old cigars that permieated the halls of lies

  • tommetzger

    Do you really think voting one gang out and replacing with another gang will change things? Its far to late for that.

  • Texas Mark

    “And they also want every incumbent running for office defeated this year… with the possible exception of Ron Paul.”

    This is an admirable goal, but not a wise one. You can be sure that the Democrats will not be voting out their congressperson. They would love it if the Republicans voted out their representatives, because then Obama would be able to ram through all of his programs.

    Which conservative would like to see Michele Bachman, or others like her, voted out and replaced with a Democrat? Liberals would, but my advice to all of you conservatives is to not let our emotions run away with us. Use your heads. Let’s get rid of the liberals in the Democrat party (but then I repeat myself). Concentrate on the RINOs during the GOP primaries, but vote out the Democrats in the general election. If we don’t, we will be a socialist country with no ability to come back.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      That is true. If the conservatives stuck to doing the right thing and getting rid of these career politicians like John McCain and the like, the democrats wont do it. They like things like they are. They cant tell its all screwed up, because they are so screwed up. They believe the national news media, and are so out of touch with reality, that they dont even realize the danger Obama poses. They think so highly of themselves, that just because they are there, things will be ok. Meanwhile, our enemies are organizing like they did when they pulled off 9-11, and this current admin, much like the Clinton admin, is sleeping at the switch. Bad things are being set up right now, and these guys are clueless to it, as it their voting base. We need to get them out as soon as we possible can, and thats a fact.

      • rwnut

        Texas Jim and Beberoni…You both have it right.

        • rwnut

          Sorry Texas Mark..I shouldn’t try to reply to two people at once.

  • http://herringtons.home.mindspring.com lighterknot

    Well I’ve been riding my Unicorn up in the Blue Ridge didn’t even need an AC you might think all is well with the world from up there. That would really be a fantasy and I must be a bit hooked on them. I couldn’t wait to get back and see if you guys had wised up any – My Litardknot up side your head I don’t think would wake you. I tell you the world is not round anymore it’s a tiny little ship full of fools, and I expect I’m one I’ve certainly been fooled. And you continue to think the Good Old USA is Gods gift to the worthy; and that you should have the privilege to continue to rape, pillage, pollute and rage wars to support your life style; and in the name of Jesus Christ no less.

    Now I know you’ve missed me I wish I could say the same for you; you are the same arrogant, overeducated bunch of conservative dumb asses; if any of you are employed you’re cheating hell out of your employers sitting there on the computer spreading hate. Else you are hypocrites on the dole with nothing to do but work this hate thread.

    I tell you now that some form of socialism (which is government) will dominate the world to save us – so you might think on how to risqué as many individual freedoms as possible, but no you intend to remain in denial.

    • Raggs

      Oink Oink!!!

      With the slop you are selling no wonder this country is screwed up.
      Oh I’m sure you will call me a racist since I refuse to believe in your bullshit. And you really suppose that the government will save you from your own lie’s?

    • Karolyn

      I’m with you liter. This country is the biggest user of resources in the world. “They” will love this one: My friend’s son is in thye Army, has been in Germany for about 10 years. He was recently sent back to the States and said he can’t wait to get back to Germany!

      • Bob Wire

        I can relate to that ! I sense it every time I return from being away myself.

        There is a rotten sickness in the air, it’s been so for many years ~ but today worse then ever. It was bad during the 70′s and now it’s 2010? That 37 years of stink!

        We house too many sick and spoiled people. People full of self-indulgence. People feeding off of power of positions, systems, entitlements,~ deadwood, vultures, parasites and jackals.

        • Karolyn

          We are happy, and you obviously are not as shown by your venom. And I’m sure you must be a Christian. You’re just proving a point to me.

        • Al Sieber

          BW and Karolyn, there isn’t a damn thing wrong with this country that we can’t fix, and I don’t mean “Change” either.

          • Bob Wire

            Agreed Al! it can be corrected.

            and as for happy or sad ~ I’m many things today, there much to be happy about and sad for, while admitting it’s been a long time since I’ve broke out in cerebration, 43″s departure and my new viola the most recent I suppose.

            I’d say I’m a level person, fewer peeks and valleys them most people. I write with a passion for the issues! Why should I not? ~ Hells Bells ~ I’m a plumber! what might you expect from me? ~ “$h1t don’t run uphill, payday is Friday and don’t bite your nails!” and above all, don’t be fooled! ~ for all things that glitters is not gold!”

            We can’t give up hope ! I embrace the future and what each new day has in store. In a New York minute, things can changes. ~ I’m enjoying the turn around myself. I enjoying seeing people come to grips with where we have got off course. I’m enjoying the rethinking that we are all doing. ~ This is a positive sign we are coming to a rebirth, a Renascence, we are pulling out of the dark ages once again. It’s been a long time in coming ~ for as I said, something has been stinking for years and I was never quite sure what or why.

            I think many of you want to go faster then it will ever happen however.
            I will be dead by then ~ as I’m at three quarter life now. But others will continue with the change that’s being started here today.

            A cold,hard reality I accept.

      • Joyce from Loris

        Your friends son is also being paid with American tax payer dollars, to do a job. If he doesn’t like America, I understand there are openings in Afghanistan. Maybe he will like it there. They have NO freedoms past Allah. Say, maybe he can take you and your liberal friends with him. Just an idea.

        • Karolyn

          He was in Afghanistan twice and Iraq once. So there!

      • rwnut

        Karolyn….Tell him to take Lizardrot with him.

      • Jeep

        Geeze Karolyn, I was wondering when you were going to finally admit your socialist, anti-American tendencies. But, then again, anyone sucking on the govt teat would feel that way. BTW Germany is such a great country…hmmm…well, jealousy and all, you know. It is amusing that you would bash the country that feeds someone as pathetic as you.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Oh my gosh. You are the most sick and twisted soul I believe Ive ever read on any thread in here. You definately need help, and its beyond the Dr. Phil type. Im thinking a straight jacket and some demoral or something along that line. Kind of scary that there are actually people like you running free in society. Just what do the voices in your head tell you to do? That is the question we all would like to know the answer to. What are they saying? Please fill us in.

    • Viktor Leben

      Though the walls of the city are falling, God needs these people to “stand in the breach” .

      All you conservatives (God Bless You) are standing in the breach ….

      Show some respect for those who are fighting for us, lighterknot ! Pray God saves the Republic !

      • rwnut

        Viktor Leben…HOORAH.

    • Viktor Leben

      And I sought for a man among them who should build up the wall and stand in the breach before me for the land, that I should not destroy it ……….

    • Rick

      And what do you know about Jesus Christ?

    • rwnut

      lizardrot….You’re not lighterknot,you’re Bob Wire.Don’t be fibben’ to me. You love this site and the abuse,and you KNOW it. There’s nothing left for you on the loonie left,is there? You’re the one they tell to come over here and pretend you want to “discourse”,so they can be rid of you over there. Don’t try to piss on our backs and tell us it’s raining. Works for the loonie left but not here.

      • Bob Wire

        I would hope the “truth” works and welcome everywhere!

        Now more then ever!

  • cecil luckey

    chip
    what a pleasent suprise to find you still fighting the good fight erise to find you finding the good fight.i’m still fighting in ohio and i guess old vets don’t fade away,they just keep fighing the battle each day, keep chopping.cecil

  • eddie47d

    Thanks Chip for bringing up Greg Mortenson.He’s a really great guy but I knew his fiery common sense passion for other people would be lost on this crowd.They like to rub elbows with Greg in their minds to make themselves feel good. In reality they could care less because Greg would be asking for other peoples money by way of government. Wars are for warriors and killing not for aid in the form of schools or personal sanitation in the nations we are at war with. I commend you for trying Chip and hope you will prove me wrong.

  • kate8

    For those of you who like to demean Sarah Palin, check this out:
    http://uruknet.com/?p=m68160&hd=&size=1&l=e

    • kate8

      Sorry, that was another cut and paste. It was supposed to be deleted, but it posted anyway.

      Still, worth a read.

    • Claire

      I will not demean Sarah. I just think she is a better choice than Bachmann.

  • kate8

    For those of you who deride Sarah Palin, check this out:

    By Dewie Whetsell, Alaskan Fisherman.
    As posted in comments on Greta’s article referencing the MOVEON ad about Sarah Palin.

    The last 45 of my 66 years I’ve spent in a commercial fishing town in Alaska . I understand Alaska politics but never understood national politics well until this last year. Here’s the breaking point: Neither side of the Palin controversy gets it. It’s not about persona, style, rhetoric, it’s about doing things. Even Palin supporters never mention the things that I’m about to mention here.

    1. Democrats forget when Palin was the Darling of the Democrats, because as soon as Palin took the Governor’s office away from a fellow Republican and tough SOB, Frank Murkowski, she tore into the Republican’s “Corrupt Bastards Club” (CBC) and sent them packing. Many of them are now residing in State housing and wearing orange jump suits The Democrats reacted by skipping around the yard, throwing confetti and singing, “la la la la” (well, you know how they are). Name another governor in this country that has ever done anything similar.

    2. Now with the CBC gone, there were fewer Alaskan politicians to protect the huge, giant oil companies here. So she constructed and enacted a new system of splitting the oil profits called “ACES.” Exxon (the biggest corporation in the world) protested and Sarah told them, “don’t let the door hit you in the stern on your way out.” They stayed, and Alaska residents went from being merely wealthy to being filthy rich. Of course, the other huge international oil companies meekly fell in line. Again, give me the name of any other governor in the country that has done anything similar.

    3. The other thing she did when she walked into the governor’s office is she got the list of State requests for federal funding for projects, known as “pork.” She went through the list, took 85% of them and placed them in the “when-hell-freezes-over” stack. She let locals know that if we need something built, we’ll pay for it ourselves. Maybe she figured she could use the money she got from selling the previous governor’s jet because it was extravagant.

    Maybe she could use the money she saved by dismissing the governor’s cook (remarking that she could cook for her own family), giving back the State vehicle issued to her, maintaining that she already had a car, and dismissing her State provided security force (never mentioning – I imagine – that she’s packing heat herself). I’m still waiting to hear the names of those other governors.

    4. Now, even with her much-ridiculed “gosh and golly” mannerism, she also managed to put together a totally new approach to getting a natural gas pipeline built which will be the biggest private construction project in the history of North America. No one else could do it although they tried. If that doesn’t impress you, then you’re trying too hard to be unimpressed while watching her do things like this while baking up a batch of brownies with her other hand.

    5. For 30 years, Exxon held a lease to do exploratory drilling at a place called Point Thompson. They made excuses the entire time why they couldn’t start drilling. In truth they were holding it like an investment. No governor for 30 years could make them get started. Then, she told them she was revoking their lease and kicking them out. They protested and threatened court action. She shrugged and reminded them that she knew the way to the court house. Alaska won again.

    6. President Obama wants the nation to be on 25% renewable resources for electricity by 2025. Sarah went to the legislature and submitted her plan for Alaska to be at 50% renewable by 2025. We are already at 25%. I can give you more specifics about things done, as opposed to style and persona. Everybody wants to be cool, sound cool, look cool. But that’s just a cover-up. I’m still waiting to hear from liberals the names of other governors who can match what mine has done in two and a half years. I won’t be holding my breath.

    By the way, she was content to return to AK after the national election and go to work, but the haters wouldn’t let her. Now these adolescent screechers are obviously not scuba divers. And no one ever told them what happens when you continually jab and pester a barracuda. Without warning, it will spin around and tear your face off. Shoulda known better.

    You have just read the truth about Sarah Palin that sends the media, along with the democrat party, into a wild uncontrolled frenzy to discredit her. I guess they are only interested in skirt chasers, dishonesty, immoral people, liars, womanizers, murderers, and bitter ex-presidents’ wives.

    So “You go, Girl.” I only wish the men in Washington had your guts, determination, honesty, and morals. There are only four states that are not in financial trouble, and yes, Alaska is one of the four.

    I rest my case. Only FOOLS listen to the biased media.

    If you’ve read this far ………………………………………..now ,open your eyes……….
    First Lady Michelle Obama’s Servant List and Pay Scale

    First Lady Requires More Than Twenty Attendants

    1. $172,2000 – Sher, Susan (Chief Of Staff)
    2. $140,000 – Frye, Jocelyn C. (Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of Policy And Projects For The First Lady)
    3. $113,000 – Rogers, Desiree G. (Special Assistant to the President and White House Social Secretary)
    4. $102,000 – Johnston, Camille Y. (Special Assistant to the President and Director of Communications for the First Lady)
    5. $100,000 – Winter, Melissa E. (Special Assistant to the President and Deputy Chief Of Staff to the First Lady)
    6. $90,000 – Medina , David S. (Deputy Chief Of Staff to the First Lady)
    7. $84,000 – Lelyveld, Catherine M. (Director and Press Secretary to the First Lady)
    8. $75,000 – Starkey, Frances M. (Director of Scheduling and Advance for the First Lady)
    9. $70,000 – Sanders, Trooper (Deputy Director of Policy and Projects for the First Lady)
    10. $65,000 – Burnough, Erinn J. (Deputy Director and Deputy Social Secretary)
    11. $64,000 – Reinstein, Joseph B. (Deputy Director and Deputy Social Secretary)
    12. $62,000 – Goodman, Jennifer R. (Deputy Director of Scheduling and Events Coordinator For The First Lady)
    13. $60,000 – Fitts, Alan O. (Deputy Director of Advance and Trip Director for the First Lady)
    14. $57,500 – Lewis, Dana M. (Special Assistant and Personal Aide to the First Lady)
    15. $52,500 – Mustaphi, Semonti M. (Associate Director and Deputy Press Secretary to The First Lady)
    16. $50,000 – Jarvis, Kristen E. (Special=2 0Assistant for Scheduling and Traveling Aide to The First Lady)
    17. $45,000 – Lechtenberg, Tyler A. (Associate Director of Correspondence For The First Lady)
    18. $43,000 – Tubman, Samantha (Deputy Associate Director, Social Office)
    19. $40,000 – Boswell, Joseph J. (Executive Assistant to the Chief Of Staff to the First Lady)
    20. $36,000 – Armbruster, Sally M. (Staff Assistant to the Social Secretary)
    21. $35,000 – Bookey, Natalie (Staff Assistant)

    22. $35,000 – Jackson, Deilia A. (Deputy Associate Director of Correspondence for the First Lady)

    (This is community organizing at it’s finest.)
    There has NEVER been anyone in the White House at any time who has created such an army of staffers whose sole duties are the facilitation of the First Lady’s social life. One wonders why she needs so much help,at taxpayer expense, when prior to Mamie Eisenhower social help came from the President’s own pocket.

    Note: This does not include makeup artist Ingrid Grimes-Miles, 49, and “First Hairstylist” Johnny Wright, 31, both of whom traveled aboard Air Force One to Europe. And that isn’t anything compared to the rest of the story of that trip.

    FRIENDS…..THESE SALARIES ADD UP TO SIX MILLION, THREE HUNDRED SIXTY FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS ($6,364,000) FOR THE 4 YEARS OF OFFICE????? AND WE ARE IN A RECESSION????? WELL….MOST OF US ARE. I GUESS IT’S OK TO SPEND WILDLY WHEN IT’S NOT YOUR OWN MONEY?????

    Copyright 2009 CanadaFreePress.Com

    Yes, I know, The Canadian Free Press has to publish this because the USA media is too scared they might be considered racist. Sorry USA !

    • Karolyn

      Where did your information about Michelle Obama come from? You said the Canadian Free Press? Well, it figures.

      • JeffH

        Michelle Obama has staff of 22 assistants
        ‘Mamie Eisenhower had to shell out for her secretary; things have changed!’
        The first lady of the United States is not elected, has no constitutional duties and receives no salary, but that doesn’t mean the position is without its privileges – including a staff of 22 White House employees who make a combined nearly $1.5 million per year.

        Various journalists have scoured the White House’s annual report to Congress on the West Wing payroll and listed those names that serve as members First Lady Michelle Obama’s staff. Combined, their salaries total $1,495,700.

      • JeffH

        The highest paid of Michelle Obama’s assistants is her chief of staff, Susan Sher, who makes the maximum allowed for a White House staffer at $172,200. The entire list of the First Lady’s assistants can be seen, among other places, printed in a column by Chicago Sun-Times Washington Bureau Chief Lynn Sweet.

        In May, before a crowd of business executives in Washington, D.C., Michelle Obama called her current life in the White House “a very blessed situation, because I have what most families don’t have – tons of support all around, not just my mother, but staff and administration. I have a chief of staff and a personal assistant, and everyone needs that.”

        According the to a Washington Post report, she reiterated with a laugh, “Everyone should have a chief of staff and a set of personal assistants.”

      • JeffH

        As first lady, Michelle Obama has been criticized for various purported “extravagances,” including a $540 pair of designer sneakers she wore to visit a D.C. food bank in April and a shopping trip in Paris with her daughters, for which French President Nicolas Sarkozy bent the nation’s laws by asking the boutiques to open for the Obamas on Sunday.

        The Paris shopping trip, and a similar jaunt through the streets of London, were part of a highly controversial European vacation that the first lady took with her daughters in June, sparking a firestorm of questions about the reported 20 taxpayer-funded Secret Service vehicles parading through Europe with the first lady and the costs of transporting the security detail overseas.

        Leslie Paige, a spokeswoman for Citizens Against Government Waste, told the Boston Globe that few Americans would begrudge the first family some presidential perks – as long as the expenses don’t grow to be indulgent on the taxpayer’s dime. Paige did, however, criticize the White House for failing to report how much Americans paid for the first lady’s vacation.

        “I doubt we’ll see the true cost of the trip to Paris,” Paige said. Not keeping his promise to run a transparent government, she added, “has been a disappointment, to say the least.”

        • Claire

          JeffH–I can honestly say that I do not approve of her flagrant spending. Especially when the economy is so bad. If she is using her own money, then it is o.k, who cares? BUT If she is using OUR money then it is not o.k. I remember when Obama made a speech and he said it was time to “tighten the belt.” Remember that? Perhaps they should practice what they preach. I do not approve of the enormity of her “staff.” This is totally uncalled for. And at the taxpayers expense? That is ridiculous. She should post on their web site what she pays for and what the taxpayers have to absorb, and WHY she needs such a large staff. This would be the “politically correct” thing to do.

          • kate8

            Claire, surely you’ve noticed…the Obama’s refuse to be held accountable for ANYTHING.

            They really believe they are above the fray.

          • Bob Wire

            I’m going to stay out of the first ladies pantie draw ~ but you guys help yourselfs. Unless she turns into an Emelda Markos, I’m not going to go there with you. ~ I think that this is about like Bill Clinton’s haircut, excessive perhaps but always anal retentive. If the first lady of the united states can’t have expensive shoes , who can? ~ How do we know how she got them or who really paid for them?

            Have any of you ever been to a Presidential Library? ~ It’s mind boggling what Presidents are given from Americans and people abroad.

            Suits! shoes, flatware, guns, dresses, ~ cars, etc ~ it’s truly amazing. ~ There is some kind of standard protocol in place for this acceptance of gifts and the things that ends up in the Library. Each President is working on his collection through out his tenure to build his library. Where Michelle’s “felony fliers” will be included is yet to be determined.

      • Rick

        Do you deny it’s truth?

      • American Citizen

        If you read Sarah’s book, I believe this is by one of her constituents. The Canadian Press must have taken it from her book.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Sarah is great, and I have even so much more respect for her, just for the fact that she scares the living hell out of the democrats. They think “how dare she actually balance her state’s budget and serve the people she was elected to serve”. This is so foreign to them. They dont understand it. How can she actually do what she said she would do? They dont get it. Too bad the Republican party didnt run a Palin/McCain ticket. I dont think we would be in this mess we are in now, if they had relagated McCain to the VP slot. That was their biggest mistake ever running him.

      • JeffH

        Bebe…so true, anything or anybody that is percieved as a threat will be scorned, lambasted, lied about and drawn & quartered before the socialists/communists libs are out of control.

    • JeffH

      kate8, you’ve gone and done it again…spoiled a liberals day.
      Good for you to keep the pressure on.

    • Joyce from Loris

      Kate8, I LOVED THIS!! I am so happy you posted it. This is the type of info that the democrats do NOT want spread around, but it is crucial that we all recognize that the powers that be in the White House has total disregard for the plight of the American People, democrat or republican. I was glad to see George Bush leave OUR HOUSE, but this bunch that is in there now, well, I am not sure we will have a HOUSE by the time they get out of it.

    • Vicki

      On the + side there are 22 of the 3 million jobs created or saved. :) On the – side they are using OUR money and we get NONE of the service. How is that not called that grand theft?

  • Angel

    $60,000 in contributions for nut-job Sharron Angle? Well, you know what they say about the fool and their money…

    • JeffH

      Angle or Reid? Easy choice…I’ll take the one that’s not a socialist!

      • Bob Wire

        Both have something to offer, I’ll choice the one that address our most current crisis and worry with reinventing the wheel later! ~ For now! I can’t see Angles vision without a bridge.

    • rwnut

      Hedda…Yep,Dingy Harry will try his damndest to seperate Sharron Angle from that 60,000 dollars. Straight into his pocket if he can.

  • Merl Webster

    I SUGGEST YOU READ THE BIBLE FOLKS. WE ARE NOW IN THE PERIOD OF THE FOUR HORSEMENT OF THE OPOCOLYPSE

    WHAT IS DESTINED TO OCCUR WILL OCCUR. THE BIBLE IS A MAP OR SCRIPT. AND WHATEVER THE DIRECTOR SAYS WILL HAPPEN OR ELSE….BECAUSE HE IS THE BOSS OF THIS PLAY.

    ASIDE FROM BLOOD RUNNING IN THE WATERS OF THE WORLD (OIL LOOKS LIKE BLOOD WITH THE REDDISH CAST)

    BETWEEN NOW AND 2011 WE WILL WITNESS HORRENDOUS THIHGS AND EVENTS AND EARTHQUAKES, SEAS OVERRUNNING LANDS. AND IN 2012 THE END OF THIS AGE.

    AND DO NOT THINK THAT OUR PRESENT GOVERNMENT DOES NOT KNOW IT AND IS WHY WE ARE NOW UNDER MARTIAL LAW.

    WHAT WE DON’T OFTEN HEAR OF THINK OF IS THE DEPOPULATION PERIOD OF REDUCING THE POPULATION BY AS MUCH AS 80%..THROUGH WARS AND MORE WARS AND BY POISONING US OR KILLING US OUTRIGHT.

    SO AT THE PRESENT TIME IT IS KILL OR BE KILLED. DESTROY OR SAVE.

    IF WE ARE NOT IN THE PERIOD I SAID, WHY ELSE WOULD WE HAVE ALL THESE DEEP UNDERGROUND TUNNELS AND SEED BANKS AND FALSE WARS?

    LET MY PEOPLE GO !

    • Al Sieber

      Hey Merl, I hear you, but you have Karolyn shaking in her boots, she probably wet her pants too.

      • kate8

        Maybe not now, Al. But God will not be mocked.

        Let ‘em laugh now, while they can.

        • Al Sieber

          “While they can”, is the key phrase. a lot of things are coming to pass.

          • Claire

            Al Sieber–Yes, a lot of things are coming to pass–I just hope and pray they will be “good things.” I do not have much faith in the political system.

    • Bob Wire

      Revelations ~ is a warning and a tricky read.

      It depends how you wish to view biblical test and the whole copulation.

      If you wish to take it all verbatim and “all” as “Gods Word” we are doomed from the start. ~ We might as well start digging us a big hole to jump into and cover up.

      I personally believe ~ we create our destiny with the minutes we live, the decisions we make and the thoughts we think. As you think it ~ it will be.

      It is well within our power to make Revelations a reality.

      And that is the warning.

      You have been instructed in the proper way of “thinking” in the same copulation of work. So you are making a conscious choice on where your mind dwells and will be rewarded accordingly.

      • rwnut

        Sexual intercourse.My God,Bub,what in the hell are you talking about?

        • Claire

          rwnut–Whoa,, I’m not going there!!

          • rwnut

            Claire…HA HA. I hear you. Scary indeed.

          • Bob Wire

            Hmmm? Sorry guys! I checked and while I have used the word correctly, it doesn’t seem to be commonly used in such a fashion. I offer an example below;

            >>John Marsh

            Adrian Louis’s “A Colossal American Copulation” borrows heavily from Walt Whitman, whose poetics have been central to much of the American poetry that would follow. Louis, though, appropriates (as Ginsberg’s poetry does) the free verse and cultural catalogues that Whitman used to celebrate and cohere a mid-nineteenth century America for its own later project of denouncing that same America<<

            I find it a most descriptive word and offers an explanation of biblical text accurately as it's offered to us today in one text book.

          • Vicki

            ———————————-
            Main Entry: cop·u·late
            Pronunciation: ˈkä-pyə-ˌlāt
            Function: intransitive verb
            Inflected Form(s): cop·u·lat·ed; cop·u·lat·ing
            Etymology: Latin copulatus, past participle of copulare to join, from copula
            Date: 1630

            : to engage in sexual intercourse

            — cop·u·la·tion ˌkä-pyə-ˈlā-shən noun

            — cop·u·la·to·ry ˈkä-pyə-lə-ˌtȯr-ē adjective
            ——————————————————————-

            It would appear that the book Bob mentioned was talking about sex so bob did use the word incorrectly. Note that the original Latin word means “to join” but copulation means sexual intercourse

          • Vicki

            Too funny. I just looked up the reference bob posted and the writers there discuss in detail the poem. The poem itself is full of the F-word. Very full according to the writers. So it really is a book about sex. :)

            http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/g_l/louis/colossal.htm

          • Bob Wire

            Thanks for your indulgence and research Vicky . I’m flattered. I enjoy some of your post and read all.

            I found the word most appropriate for early Jewish and Hebrew text!

            a marriage , a joining , a computation , a body of work united as one and if that doesn’t describe the bible, I don’t know what does.

            A major mind flock for the light reader and unprepared.

    • Karolyn

      If you would just open your little mind a bit and read something other than the Bible or read the Bible with more discernment, you might understand what’s REALLY going on here. For instance, the Bible reference talking of Jesus being “THE Son of God” is wrong. The real Greek translation is that Jesus was A son of God. The Bible was edited by the Church to keep the people in line. We are all parts of God and he is a loving God with no vengeance, vindictiveness or anger. “The Kingdom of God is within.”

      • rwnut

        karolyn…So-called “scholors” have been trying to discredit The Son of God for at least 2,000 years. Thanks for the info,but I’ll stick with The Son of God,which has withstood the test of time.

        • Karolyn

          I’m not discrediting Jesus, who was probably the most enlightened man of all time. I’m just saying he’s our brother, not our Lord. Do you not think that the Bible controls people? The churches were afraid to let the people do as they wished, so they worshipped the Bible. Did you know that way before Jesus’ time there were other “virgin” births with similarities to Jesus’ birth. That sounds like copycat to me.

          • American Citizen

            A whole lot of misunderstanding here. Jesus proved who He is. That’s enough for me.

          • rwnut

            karolyn….Hebrews 13:20

          • Vicki

            Lets see. How does that prayer go? Oh yes.

            “Our Father which art in Heaven,
            Hsllowed be thy name.
            Thy Kingdom come.
            Thy Will be done.
            On Earth as it is in Heaven….”

            So we are instructed to pray (King James version of the Bible btw) to OUR father. How could this be unless we are also the sons and daughters of God.

          • Vicki

            Oops Hallowed. a not s

      • Bob Wire

        All writers and writing have one thing in common, the intent is to share and to be understood. Each writers bring different skill to this endeavor and writes to his/her audience. Each audience is different making this effort much more complex then perhaps we might appreciate or consider.

        When reading early text it helps to be mindful of who’s telling the story, to whom and more important “Why”? Son of man, son of GOD, daughters of man can be tricky and misleading. We add years of translation on top you got a copulation of ideas.

        I enjoy the story about the little girl that stared ending her bedtime prays “a woman” When mother asked why she did this, ” She says, “Well Dad ending his prayer with A man.”

        A friend of mines daughter was really getting into sing hyams

      • Bob Wire

        All writers and writings have one thing in common, the intent to share and to be understood. Each writers bring different skills to this endeavor and writes to his/her audience. Each audience is different making this effort much more complex then perhaps we might appreciate or consider.

        When reading early text it helps to be mindful of who’s telling the story, to whom and more important “Why”? Son of man, son of GOD, daughters of man can be tricky and misleading. We add years of translation on top you got a copulation of ideas.

        I enjoy the story about the little girl that stared ending her bedtime prays “a woman” When mother asked why she did this, ” She says, “Well Dad ending his prayers with A man.”

        A friend of mines 6 year old daughter was really getting into singing hymns one Sunday morning, she was getting down as her mother swelled with pride. I managed to get her singing it again on the drive home. So she sang, ” There be Peas in the salad ~ for me!”

        The point? ~ 95% of it is a pure heart being in the right place regardless how you understand it.

  • Karolyn

    I’m shakin’ in my boots!

  • BillF

    It is sad to know that the amount of money a Politician has will determine the outcome of an election. Especially in the case of Harry Reid. Harry is doing his best to help Obama bring down our country.
    It will be a sad day if this Socialist is reelected.

  • http://ronhughes87@yahoo.com Ronald Hughes

    It’s time for America to quit pointing fingers and blaming the oposition. Both partys take their orders from the military,industrial corporations who have bought them. Thi thing began in the year of 1913 when the federal reserve system was authorized and has progressed steadly since. The solution is to vote out EVERY incumbent and then pay attention to the workings of government. The politicians are only to blame because of our lack of survailence.WAKE UP AMERICA

  • Colo43

    We need change, But not obamas radical changes.
    i can’t wait until Nov. to kick aside as many democrats as possible.
    We need to take our country back and correct the wrong that has been done to her.
    God bless America.

  • Bob Wire

    Okay ~ do that ~

    But what you are saying to us is that the GOP is offers us solutions and the DNC is not.

    The GOP has had 22 years of the last 30 and I think we should all know the game plan be now.

    If you are labor ~ you are screwed!

    learn how to “steal correctly!” Work the fraud! ~ use insider trading, take pride in being a liar and a cheat! ~ The world only cares to listen to winners! “How” is of little importance if you manage to win! ~

    • Al Sieber

      BW, is that what you do, steal and cheat Bob? did you miss your meds today?

      • dan of arizona

        hey al you never did say but i think kingman right

        • Al Sieber

          dan,wrong check earlier post, why are you in Kingman?

          • dan of arizona

            no ashfork

    • rwnut

      Bub War….Rangle Dangle Charlie (greasy palm)Rangel. You should hook up with Nancy(knot in her panties)Palosi,have a kid,and be a good leftwing loonie,and name it after Greasy Palm Charlie.Just a thought.

      • Bob Wire

        “Rangle Dangle Charlie (greasy palm)Rangel.”

        Good point ! he must go! having out lives his usefulness long ago and but baggage now. ~ Crazy part is ~ if the DNC had enjoyed more bipartisan support Sticky Fingers Rangel would have got his ticket punched much sooner. ~I don’t suppose you guys what to look at it in that light though!

        • Claire

          Bob Wire– Rangel??!! Yes, he must go. He should have been ousted months ago, the first minute he was found to be commiting these dishonest practices. I deplore the time and money wasted to convict this dishonest person. Anyone else would be thrown in jail immediately. Why is it that politicians get by with anything they want to do, and the average citizen gets the book thrown at them? These unethical primates must be thrown out of office. I am sick of these shenanigans.
          I am a firm believer that ANY politician who commits an act of dishonesty in any way should be thrown out–on the very same day their misdeed comes to light-they should be suspended, with no voting power.

        • rwnut

          Bub War… Bull.That criminal has been protected by the Black Caucus for the last 30 yeaes.You can’t dump his greasy ass at the Republicans feet.

          • Claire

            BTW–I saw on TV where Luke Russert was asking Rangel questions, and Rangel got honked off. Russert kept it up–I was proud of Russert. He did a good job.

          • rwnut

            Claire…I saw that too.

          • Bob Wire

            Hmm? No~ I’m not trying too. ~ But you surly see how no bi-partisan support has lengthen his stay the last 15 months, while everyone as accepted the fact the man is greatly compromised and need to go. The GOP position has placed the DNC in a stalemate position. They can’t clean house in a constrictive manner. Both parties subject to the ramification of political posture.

            I don’t know if he’s been a dog for 30 years ~ but he’s sure a bow wow now! The sooner he can be moved aside the better. ~ yield us some slack to mop the floor.

  • Mark Johnson

    I was at the convention and heard Greg Mortenson’s inspiring talk, which was about his two decades of work to risk his life and build schools for girls in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Mortenson received a huge standing ovation which was well deserved.

    We were stunned to learn that President Obama’s landing in Las Vegas was not announced in advance, and caused the diversion of dozens of airlines, and disrupted the entire city. The Las Vegas mayor even refused to greet President Obama at the airport, which was closed to all outsiders except the president.

    During Mortenson’s book signing, I heard him mention that the greatest enemy of the United States is not terrorism, but our national debt, so my hats off to him. Both Bush and Obama are to blame for that, and thank God for the Libertarians.

  • http://gmail i41

    baling twine and karolyn, what a couple of frinkin idoits. Michelle is another welfare bi–h on the public dole. An over educated black simple minded moron that does nothing, but is overpaid. What has the two multi degreed muslim morons, done in life, but try for a law degree, nobody has checked, but on afferative action. Onumnutts was a foreign student, not a citizen of the USA. karyln, you claim you work, is it for the government, or taking cencuses? twine, you hadf better read some history books back several ywears, and see how all of your marxist government controlling democrats have never verred away from wasting money, lying, cheating on taxes,being sexual perverts, and working to destroy this country, by any way possible. In 1972 thew socialist democrat party elcted George McGovern, an avowed card carring communist. Democrats are such a bunch pus brained idoits, as their real and phony nano minded voters. Communist democrats are so lock step with Omoron, that is he served fecal sandwiches with sewage cocktails, with the voters of Omoron. They would pay a gate few and ask for doubles. You morons, can not admit read or watch anything but airy fairy feely meely papers and all of the Omorons media cheer leaders.

    • Claire

      i41—I think both parties are pus brained idiots. Both parties have their sexual perverts, men that commit infidelity, waste money, lie, cheat, your post can apply to both parties.

      • Claire

        Pus-brained idiots–I can’t believe I posted those nasty words. I must have been dang tired last night. I apologize to all.

        • kate8

          Claire, it was a bit colorful, but it did make me laugh. Besides, it’s the truth.

        • rwnut

          Claire..Sounds truthful to me. And truth is what we’re looking for.

  • Joyce from Loris

    What I want to know is why do Republicans not stand up and fight to end welfare? Welfare is so broken, it can not be fixed. The welfare people will never vote for Republicans. So why don’t they work to fight this? Why won’t they take a stand on this?? Why will they not take a stand on the illegal immigrants in this country? Those people will never vote for republicans either. If we worked to end the current welfare system, and deport all the illegal immigrants (all illegal immigrants, not just the mexicans), do you realize how much money our country could save?? We might even be able to end BORROWING from China as well. We are not in a position to be sending $79 million dollars to Pakistan, either. I know why DemoRATS lean this way, they love to keep people on welfare slavery. But I can’t understand the Republicans. Welfare must be done over. There are some people who need help, but the whole system is tainted by the those who abuse the system. What is up with Republicans? Even during the oil spill, LA Governor Jindal knew ways to protect his shores from the oil. Yet, the Federal Government would not ALLOW him to do it! Well, why didn’t he do it anyway?? Jindal is the leader of his state and responsible for taking care of the people, yet he put his tail between his legs and OBEYED, even at the cost of his beautiful shores of LA. What good is a governor if they aren’t going to do what is necessary to protect?? I just can’t figure it out. I mean, what would Obama have done to Jindal?? I like the AZ governor. She doesn’t take any crap. The Republicans always say they are going to cut spending. ON WHAT? They never say what their proposed cuts are. I am so against Democrats, just confused by Republicans lack of response. The PETA people will not vote Republican. The ENVIRONMENTAL people are not going to vote Republican. HOMOSEXUALS are not going to vote Republicans. DEAD PEOPLE will not vote Republicans. Dead people only vote Democrat.

    • JeffH

      Joyce from Loris, I’ll try to make it simple for you…Democrats and Republicans are the problem, they’re mostly lying lawyers and most all are lying politicians with very few exceptions.

      • Claire

        JeffH– I appreciate your common sense and rationality.

      • DaveH

        They have to lie because nobody is so perfect as they would need to be to fill the role of making the best decisions for each and every one of our lives. The only people who are really knowledgeable enough to determine what is best for every one of us is ourselves. That is why we need to shrink the size of Government dramatically back to their intended function of protecting us from force by others. Protecting us from ourselves is not the role of Government and it is not even achievable except possibly at greater cost to our pocketbooks and pursuit of happiness than it is worth.
        Small Government is the Best Government.

        • Claire

          DaveH–Good points.

        • JeffH

          I’m on board with ya DaveH…once again, a voice of reason..

      • Bob Wire

        Well JeffH, we sent in a Peanut farmer and they all laughed at him , even Reagan showed his a$$est during change of power.

        America did not invent human rights. In a very real sense human rights invented America.
        Jimmy Carter

        Government is a contrivance of human wisdom to provide for human wants. People have the right to expect that these wants will be provided for by this wisdom.
        Jimmy Carter

        Human rights is the soul of our foreign policy, because human rights is the very soul of our sense of nationhood.
        Jimmy Carter

        I hate to see complacency prevail in our lives when it’s so directly contrary to the teaching of Christ.
        Jimmy Carter

        I have often wanted to drown my troubles, but I can’t get my wife to go swimming.
        Jimmy Carter

        I say to you quite frankly that the time for racial discrimination is over.
        Jimmy Carter

        If you fear making anyone mad, then you ultimately probe for the lowest common denominator of human achievement.
        Jimmy Carter

        If you’re totally illiterate and living on one dollar a day, the benefits of globalization never come to you.
        Jimmy Carter

        It is difficult for the common good to prevail against the intense concentration of those who have a special interest, especially if the decisions are made behind locked doors.
        Jimmy Carter

        It’s not necessary to fear the prospect of failure but to be determined not to fail.
        Jimmy Carter

        “unless both sides win, no agreement can be permanent.”

        Jimmy Carter quote

        “We should live our lives as though Christ were coming this afternoon”

        Jimmy Carter quote

        “War may sometimes be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary, it is always an evil, never a good. We will not learn how to live together in peace by killing each others children.”

        Jimmy Carter quote

        “We must make it clear that a platform of ‘I hate gay men and women’ is not a way to become president of the United States.”

        Jimmy Carter quote

        “Republicans are men of narrow vision, who are afraid of the future.”

        Jimmy Carter quote

        • kate8

          BW, what’s your point – that Jimmy Carter was good with words?

          It’s not what a man says that determines his character. It’s his actions…or lack of them.

          • Claire

            kate8— Yes, so true. Actions speak louder than words.

          • Bob Wire

            What was my point? ~ was a response to a prior post and that we had sent in a non-lawyer that didn’t lie ~ was good man and he was laughed at and not accepted by the capital hill lawyer crowd and made it their job that he looked like a goose.

            >>JeffH says:
            July 24, 2010 at 3:23 am

            Joyce from Loris, I’ll try to make it simple for you…Democrats and Republicans are the problem, they’re mostly lying lawyers and most all are lying politicians with very few exceptions.<<

  • rwnut

    Time to go watch Glen Beck. But like MacArther? said,”I shall return”. (MacArther? Oh well. That’s close enough for the girls I go with).

    • DaveH

      RW,
      Have you watched the John Stossel show or Judicial Watch with Judge Napolitano on Fox Business News?

      • DaveH

        A little dyslexia there. I meant Freedom Watch.

      • JeffH

        DaveH, I’m watching both shows more often when I can…Stossel has always been easy to watch and listen to and I think as honest and reasonable as one could find and I’ve always trusted the insight of Napolitano.
        Both shows are as good as you can find.

        • Claire

          I have to say this–I like Stossel, but Beck turns me off.

          • JeffH

            A good reason for multiple cannels…Claire, each to his own I like to say. I only watch from time to time and no matter who says what, I form my own opinions and try to do some backgroud work on the issue, as everybody should.

          • Rick

            Why?

          • JeffH

            …Rick…I would think personal choice would be my guess, the “why” is of no concern to you or I as there are far more “important” concerns than “why” Claire does or doesn’t care for Beck or anybody else for that matter…just my opinion though…

          • Claire

            Rick–if you are referring to me, I will tell you why. I look at the whole picture–Stossel’s body language tells me he is sincere, he is calm, rational and doesn’t come across as being loopy. He speaks wisely and well, and has a maturity about him that indicates self-control/self-esteem. To me, Beck does not come across as being sincere, his eyes tell me a lot about his character. He is on “a roll” and he knows it. The body language indicates to me that he is not entirely stable, mentally? Emotionally? I see Beck in a different light–and I go with my gut–my gut tells me Beck is not necessarily the image he is trying to project. Sorry if people do not agree with me, but this is my opinion and my thoughts/feelings. I do not expect everyone to agree with me, nor feel the same way I do.

          • Rick

            Claire,

            Well, that is personal preference then. The “body language” experts disagree with you though. Still you’re entitled to your opinion. So your dislike is all touchy & feely stuff and dont have any support that he is not genuine. Maybe I’m fooled by him but obviously I have a different opinion. He comes off as truly caring about our country. He certainly works hard at providing evidence on his show. Its very hard to do a live show and fool everyone. Of course, obama has fooled half the country!

          • Rick

            JeffH; I appreciate your opinion but anyone who posts anything in a public forum should expect to get questioned as to what they posted. Once public, I reserve the right to make it my concern. Feel free to do the same or not.

          • Claire

            Rick–All touchy feely stuff? I think not. I think that comment would apply to Beck since he is the one that sobs from time to time. I could care less if body language people agree with me or not. I could care less if you agree with me. I am not swayed by what anyone else thinks. And yes, I have a right to my opinion. I go with my own thoughts, and yes, I go with my gut feelings from time to time. It is your perogative to believe everything he says, but since I have a choice, I can go my own way and listen to whomever I want.
            Obama? Sure, he fooled a lot of people but so didn’t a lot of the politicians. The shame of it is that they are still doing it.

          • JeffH

            Rick, thank you and you can bet I will, or not!

          • Al Sieber

            Claire, I don’t listen to any of them anymore. I know what you mean about “Beck” but you can learn a little from each one of those guys, do your research and form your opinion. I listen to the local patriot radio station or S.W. radio. plus I have library of old books including some good old history books, probably some are on the “Ban” or too be “banned” list.

          • Claire

            Al Sieber–I flip from channel to channel–I listen and then like you I make up my own mind. What is funny is that the channels can be talking about the same thing and yet have differing opinions, etc. I read as much as I can. I have to admit I am rather “hooked” on this blog. I really enjoy the discussions and the various thoughts and opinions that the people have.

          • DaveH

            Rick,
            Claire has one of the openest minds on this board. Her “touchy, feely” statement is in my opinion a necessity these days, as lying has become acceptable in our society, so you need to figure out your own algorithm to detect them.

          • Rick

            I never said I believe everything Beck says. And as far as Claire, I agree with a lot of her posts. But anyone can be “touchy feely” and be 100% wrong. So I ask a question. Is that so bad? How about sticking to facts that support accusations? How would you like it if someone posts negative comments about you without facts to back them up? What happened to the “Golden Rule”?

        • Claire

          Rick—To clear the matter at hand–I said nothing negative about YOU. I simply told you that I didn’t care whether you agreed with me or not. Yes, I am negative towards Beck. I have the right to be negative about anything I choose. Just like you have every right to be negative about someone or something. So what is the big deal?

      • rwnut

        DaveH…Iknew they had shows but didn’t know where to find them.Thanks

  • Gerry

    I am a first time contributor to this site, and I think it provides a wonderful service. I read all the complaints, and it leads me to believe that America needs a new inspiration. A new vision, if you will. It is obvious to me that the Democrats and the Republicans are not giving us what we need, and are not supporting us in aany way, shape or form. The current politicians in office and the current 2 party system is nothing but a big scam.

    Someone recently stated that “I love my country, it is the GOVERNMENT that scares me to death!!

    Let me ask each and every person that reads these words,: Are we ready to look at an alternative to our current 2 party political system? If you are ready to have an alternative, then I ask you, No, I BEG YOU, please take a look at the Constitution Party. The Constitution Party backs the United States Constitution 100%. Please go to Constitutionparty.com to discover what the Constitution Party is all about. Just to mention a few things, the Constitution Party is strongly in favor of the Sanctity of Life, We favor closing our borders, We favor a strong defense, and we wish to curtail all unnecessary government spending. We lean toward the Tea Party, except that the Constitution Party has candidates running for local, state, and federal ioffices all over the country. Just loo, at the candidacies of the governor in California and Colorado. The Tea party is a grass roots organization, and does not have the ability (at present) to field candidates for public office. Also, the Tea Party seems to favor the Republican Party.

    The Constitution Party consists of people who want to make a difference in this country, and who favor the concepts that our founding fathers believed in.

    Again, let me ask you to do your research and discover what the Constitution Party is all about.

    I will gladly speak with anyone who wishes further information about the Constitution Party.

    • Bob Wire

      Thank You Gerry for the heads up! I for one will look into it as I failed to fit into either camp. I’ve heard of the Constitution Party before.

      Maybe it is time to split up the power ~ break up this log jam of conflicting ideas and demagoguery.

      “The Tea party is a grass roots organization, and does not have the ability (at present) to field candidates for public office. Also, the Tea Party seems to favor the Republican Party.” ~ You noticed that did you? They seem to be more of a two headed snake sharing one body.

      I say this because you will find little interest or incentives discuss to address special interest influence. Only a mention of “term limits” and I fail to see how term limit will address it but actually make it more prevalent,cheaper and easier. ~ Turning statesmanship into a “Bic Lighter” ~ use them and throw them away. I think special interest would just love term limits. True, we could boot them out quicker but what are you going to replace them with and where are they going to come from? Today’s politics runs on money and who’s got more of it them anyone? How much personal money would you place in something while knowing your time is limited?

      Let’s go back to the Laundry List for a minute!

      Smaller Government! what does that really mean? Being small in what way? While I’ll agree that it might sound good to the ear what does it “really and truly” mean?

      Today we have smaller bombs, we have smaller cars but they cost more! them are faster, and create a much bigger bang! So what does smaller really mean. ~ Fewer people, fewer departments? Less cost? ~ smallest budgets? ~ and how might this be achieved? Is government going to “just quite” doing certain things?

      What about states like Arizona, where the state is the largest employer in the whole state? ~ If we decrease the size of the Fed must the states pick up the slack? Making state government only bigger?

      We know that “is” what happen when Reagan stood up and said, ” Let’s get the Federal Government off the peoples backs!”

      States were left to find ways to make up for budget short falls or cut and kill programs. ~ They did both! if you will remember. So they top wages earns did manage to get some tax cut, while city, county and state came up with new user fees, new taxes and increases in old taxes.

      I’m not suggest this was wrong ~ I’m only suggesting “there’s no free lunch” ~and if people want and expect government service ~ somebody is going to have to pay for it!

      So, I think we need some explanation of how “smaller government” will be better for the people of Arizona. As they are described as follows;

      “The 2006 total gross state product was $232 billion. If Arizona (and each of the other US states) were an independent country along with all existing countries (2005), it would have the 61st largest economy in the world (CIA – The World Factbook). This figure gives Arizona a larger economy than such countries as Ireland, Finland, and New Zealand. Arizona currently has the 21st largest economy among states in the United States”

      While Arizona state government and Walmart being their biggest employers.

      We fail for the smaller government pitch back in 1980 ~ and look where we are at today. “Smaller government” was just another way of saying ~ Big Business could do pretty much whatever it wished “and the rest of us that wasn’t in line at their feed trough” were on our own while “we” subsidized feed trough positions for the chosen ones.

      I don’t even like government ! ~ So to suggest I want to encourage BIG Government is absurd !

      I want “FAIR” government. ~ small ? big ? ~~ don’t describe my shopping list!

      • DaveH

        Bob,
        If you are truly into pondering possibilities then maybe you could benefit by reading this free online book. It was published in 1973, so some of the examples are outdated, but the principles are timeless:
        http://mises.org/rothbard/foranewlb.pdf

        Adjust the textsize to your desired size.

        • Bob Wire

          I will Dave, thanks! let you know my thoughts when I assimilate it.

          • Bob Wire

            Dave that’s a 349 page manifesto !

            Interesting that it’s roots are traced to 17th century Europe and a spin off of some kind of Liberal movement (liberal means something else in Europe even today)

            It will take a while but I’ll chew on it. thanks.

            bb

      • Al Sieber

        Bob, are you finally coming around? big Govt. is regulations and restrictions… I have to go to work for half a day Bob, I’m sure some will tell you about “Big Govt.” if you really want to know and quit being a liberal.

      • BrotherPatriot

        It is possible for people to change. Infact, we are all hoping for it as many people (including liberals…hehe) are simply in the dark and just influenced by the illusion that has entrapped so many of us in the past. As we spread our influence (the Truth) people are indeed changing their view point and swinging in line with the rest of us like a polarized magnetic movement. One of common sense wrapped in the blanket of common human decency with the intent to benefit the majority and not the just a select few social Elites.

        However, this said…there will be THEIR influence felt as well. Sensing the loss of power and influence, they will infiltrate our ranks, even publicly switching stances but in their hearts, they will still continue to try and further their Agenda. Eventually, these infiltrators would try and use their influence to sway things back towards what we all try and safeguard against, corruption. The inherant nature of the NWO movement is why it will fail. The body of humanity will rise against it. However, if you look to the Georgia Guidestones the very first line gives us a clue as to how they could possibly upset this inherent victory on behalf of mankind. By trimming down the population and stacking their side of the equation…suddenly the majority are them. They would then set policy as they saw fit. They want world discord. They rule the world and guess what we have…? The world that we live in.

        Mr. Wire’s posts, in numerous other postings concerning various subjects…have usually left me gritting my teeth in frustration. I would hold suspect pretty much whatever he has to say.

        Smaller government. Let the Federal government be what it was orginally intended to do…be the skeleton and not the body of America. It should have a very finite influence aside from what it’s appointed to do, protecting our borders for example. States should mostly govern the people because people in different states have different accents and ways of thinking…so what works in one state doesn’t work well for people from a different state due to their difference in culture…

        • Bob Wire

          Thank you for you answer BrotherPatriot;
          >>”Let the Federal government be what it was orginally intended to do…be the skeleton and not the body of America. It should have a very finite influence aside from what it’s appointed to do, protecting our borders for example. States should mostly govern the people because people in different states have different accents and ways of thinking…”<<

          • kate8

            BW, Have you considered that the TeaParty tends to draw mostly conservatives because they stand for fewer taxes? TaxedEnoughAlready.

            Democrats love taxes. The higher, the better. They’ve never figured out that overtaxation crushes the economy. And they don’t actually believe in personal property, so they feel they have the right to take from us whatever they deem necessary to increase their power.

            This goes against the very founding of our nation.

      • Rick

        Simple. Big government=Big spending and more intrusive on the people. Small government=Small spending and less intrusion in our lives.
        Let’s cut out the fat!

  • don l.

    THIS ADMINISTRATION IS BAD !! HOW BAD ?? THEY TAKE CHARGE OF YOUR LIFE ( OBAMACARE), THEN THEY CONTROL YOUR FINANCES (TODAY, RIGHT NOW, THEY KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH YOU ARE WORTH) NEXT IS MEDIA CONTROL (THEY ARE TRYING TO SHUT DOWN FOX NEWS, THE ONLY NEWS THEY DON’T CONTROL. AND LAST OF ALL RATIONING. YOU WILL BE TOLD HOW MUCH GAS, FOOD, ETC; THAT YOU WILL BE ALLOWED. IT’S CALLED SOCIALISM. BROUGHT TO YOU BY OUR PROGRESSIVE COMMUNIST DICK-TATER HUSSEIN OBAMA.

    • BrotherPatriot

      They most certainly do control the Fox News. They are allowed to only go so far. When I watched Glen Beck speaking about the Bilderberg, his body language alone proved to me that he was just a simple gate keeper.

      http://realintel.net/2010/06/10/glenn-the-gatekeeper/

      • Rick

        Huh? Are you saying “this administration” controls Fox News?

        • kate8

          It’s true, Rick. FoxNews is owned by Rupert Murdoch. You can read up on him, but he’s another of the global elite.

          They also received money from the Saudis and….?

          • kate8

            BTW, Rick, Rupert Murdoch is quoted as saying, “The news is what I say it is”.

          • rwnut

            kate8…And guess what? Rupert is now building his next “news” outlet in Abu Dabby.

          • rwnut

            kate8…if I’m not mistaken the Saudi’s hold a percentage of the ownership in Fox.

          • JeffH

            rwnut, a Billionaire Saudi Prince al-Walid bin Talal owns 5.5% of News Corp — the parent company of Fox News.

          • Rick

            Thsi may be a dumb question but whats that got to do with obama?

          • kate8

            Rick, what it has to do with Obama is that he, along with the rest of our government, is owned by the global elite banksters, with the House of Rothschild at the top.

            Obama et al serve these masters. Murdoch, Turner and the rest of them are part of this, too. It’s one big cabal.

            “Our” U.S. government is a front, an illusion.

          • Rick

            I’m not saying it isnt true but I cant find where Murdock made those comments. Also, if it is true, why does Fox continually drag obama through the mud?

      • BrotherPatriot

        Kate8…love your posts…so very much on the nose and spoken clearly every time.

        Yeah, it’s all one big Cabal. Fortunately, proper people in key positions are becoming fully aware of the equation are taking steps needed to fix it. Were gonna unravel what they have been doing to us…and do it nice and legal even. :D

        The sooner the Better!

        • kate8

          Back at ‘cha, BP!

          I really hope you are right about this.

  • eddie47d

    Dave H.; You say “the consumer is king” in free markets. Only the owners of those markets are kings not the consumers. As an example; There is no way pharmacueticals had to cost as much as they did 4-10 years ago. They more than tripled in price and some drugs were 2-4000% over the cost of manufacturing those pills. Paxil 20mg 100 tabs;$221.00 Vs. Generic $7.60 =2,898% markup Zithromax 600mg 100 tabs $1,482 vs gen. $18.75 = 7,892% markup Zocor 40mg 100 tabs $350 Vs gen. $8.63 = 4,059% markup Lipitor 20mg 100 tabs $272 vs. gen. $5.80 = 4,696% markup I know R&D have to be factored in but that is the ultimate in goughing the consumers. The consumers were pawns in the greed of these companies. We won’t even go into the CEO’s salaries that these bosses made off of the consumers. They were nothing more than thieves and pirates hijacking our health costs and putting consumers lives in danger. (because the consumer couldn’t afford many of these drugs and just did without). Thank goodness that generics came out of the closet so big pharma could bring their costs down. We can talk until were blue in the face about big government and how to bring their costs down. We also need to look at big Capitalism and how to bring their costs down. We can’t exempt them from the problems they caused. The more corporations screw up the more the government wants to control them. So we have a two headed dragon to slay!

  • chuck b

    brother patriot

    i have no way of defending whether fox is controlled or not, there are some who report on the station i don’t care for, i haven’t discovered many lies in their reporting unlike the msm. can you prove the bildenberg’s control all these things you state? maybe that’s why jfh left all those cubans to die and be imprisoned at the bay of pigs. pure theory and speculation nothing more.

    • kate8

      chuck b, It’s not that anyone on Fox lies. It’s always more in what they do NOT report on.

      We are not told what they don’t want us to know.

      Look how no one will touch the legitimacy issue. (Although Glenn Beck did sneak in a remark about how most people have to show proof of who they are before being allowed to run for office. I nearly fainted.) The point is, if they don’t want us thinking about something, they don’t talk about it. With most people, if it’s not in the news, it doesn’t exist.

      It’s just another form of mind-control.

      • Claire

        kate8—Good points.

  • Bob Wire

    Glenn is a Showman ~ much like the shock jock Howard Sterns or the Political Entertainer Rush L.

    BUT Glenn has no center! No redeeming character. ~ Read his life! He’s been in some stage of human drama development up until his latest jig! ~

    Thanks to the failures of the GOP and disenfranchised conservative’s looking for answers, he has teaming up with Rupert Murdock and Fox Noise and the “Slander Club” , he’s finally the right man for the right job! He’s supplying “ANSWERS!” ~

    Glenn started in College radio and since has been ran off from several Radio stations as he’s willing to attack anyone he perceives as a personal threat or offend his senses and in general has been a thorn in everyone’s side that attempted to employ him.

    My question has always been ~ Who too flock gives a shot what offends Glenn? ~ He’s a nobody ! Twisted family life, twisted career in radio, twisted personal life, ( drugs and deaths)

    After Joe Lieberman pulled strings to get him into Princeton , he bailed, never completing his theology degree.

    He’s not been in the military, never worked for himself. ~ He slaps his glums! That’s it! That’s all he’s ever done, shock jock radio and now found a home with Rupert, a slinging manure.

    Where did he gain all of this wealth of knowledge, he explains with great conviction and detail? He makes it up! His a psychopath!

    He’s been guilty of making fun of pregnant women over live radio as he attacked rivals.

    So why should you listen to Glenn Beck?? Because you agree with him that’s why!

    He’s telling you things that you want to hears and believe!
    ~~~~~~~
    I’ll read your Big government link ~ sure ! You think I’ve got something to learn there? Something I don’t know now?

    I assure you, I’m not liberal ~ but I’m not drinking your Kool Aid either. As no one here has yet to address my concerns ! I’m tired of subsidizing people’s place in line at the feed trough of government and big business while being treated like a red headed stepchild by government, from City to Fed. ~ It’s every one of them ~and not just the Fed!

    I’m tired of hearing about Wall Street and them being offended if they can’t live large.

    I deal with government everyday ~ my business is very, very regulated!

    It’s always been a matter of “You can’t get there from here!” with government ~

    or , let me refer you to Ms. Green or Ms Brown or Ms. White or Mr. Black or you really need to discuss this with Mr. Gray when he gets back, he’ll be back in next week! Here’s these forums you need to fill out. ~ It takes days and days for the average guy to get anything done as you address each and every obstacle they lay before you and expect compliance.

    They have got a new law being proposed now, addressing gun ownership, ~ they are want some 25 dollars per gun plus full disclosure of what you own.

    Screw them ! We don’t own guns! We don’t even like them!

    • b bop balooba

      Sir, after trying to decipher your elongated rant and several other posts credited to yourself, I’ve of the opine that you too are seeking a showman’s position on this website. You should adopt a revised last name, WIRED, as you truly show that you very well could be WIRED.

      • Bob Wire

        read his bio for yourself ~ It’s there for everyone, nothing has been embellished or contrived. Where does all these insightful ideas come from? Education? experience? or just intuitive passion and joy of being seen a wise one? ~ the money ? just for kicks?

        Rant? ~perhaps ~ I’m offering you pictures and questions? Sorry you don’t like them. ~ but they are coming none the less.

        How does it work that a State has such a wonderful economy and yet the states largest employer is the state! While the second is Walmart no less!

        That Walmart is so big in the state is due to it’s location and accessible to Mexican Nationals crossing the border to shop.

        While at the same time ~ Illegal immigration is tearing them a “new one”

        I’d say ~ such a state has indeed ~ serious problems.

        I’d say, ~ the Snowbird are bring raped with state taxes and maybe moving to Arizona maybe wasn’t such a peachy keen idea after all.

        So Today ~ we are wanting a smaller Fed and a biggest state government? hmm? ~

        Myself ~ I feel more controlled and watched over by the state and city more then ever before already! But we want more?

      • rwnut

        b bop balooba….He’s got to get off that stuff.The fingers NEVER catch up to the mind!

    • Rick

      So is Beck telling the truth or not? IF thats what your saying, be more specific please.

      • Bob Wire

        There is always small gains of truth in buckets of manure Rick.

        Beck can drop a good nugget of truth from time to time ~ he has too ~ to suck you in.

        Sometimes, he is as right as rain! That’s the way it’s done ~ it’s salesmanship. He’s good at it. The man could sell two left shoes or a keg of rusty nails.

        • rwnut

          BubWar…He’s got at least 10 investigators working for him.

          • Bob Wire

            no! I’m just old and I read more the I listen and watch. You can too! ~ but the age thing? ~ it’s by the minute ~same as you. I was born at an early age, just as you. Don’t “believe anything” until you check for yourself.

            The rest of the world makes it’s living on what you “don’t know’ and what you can’t do for yourself. ~ I’ve accepted that as a universal “truth”.

          • eddie47d

            rwnut; Not all truthful,kind of like Andrew Breitbart. What a scuze!

        • Rick

          To me, all manure stinks. I’ve heard it all and dont believe anything until I see proof. Unfortunately, your answer doesnt help though. I need to hear something specific and provable. As they say, “talk is cheap”!

          • Bob Wire

            well Rick, I don’t mean to be evasive but I’m not foolish either. You seem to be attempting to appeal to someone less bright then I.

            You need only to “frame” your question well and you with receive a measured concise response.

            Answers are cheap! ~ It’s hard but you must learn to ask concise questions ! I will gladly offer you an answer. You are coming at us with “What lie? which one?” “prove it!” ~

            Bring forward a Glenn Beck quote that you would like addressed and we will air it out in front of everyone here and determine it’s merits.

            It’s that simple.

      • kate8

        Rick, I have found no fault with Beck’s presentations. They are well-researched and factual. His education of our early history is sorely needed. Many people are learning things, myself included, that have not been taught to us in our schooling.

        There are things he is not allowed to speak of. He damaged the credibility of a good candidate in Texas, Medina, because she expressed an open mind to learning the truth about 9/11. He ridicules those who ask questions about FEMA camps and other things the gov’t doesn’t want spoken of openly.

        In short, he is there to give us an outlet for our dismay over what is happening to America, while guiding our thinking.

        I watch his program and like it. Just be aware that any talking head on the globalist networks draws his paycheck and his fame from those who are not our friends.

        Do your own research.

    • kate8

      BW, That was one of your best posts. I won’t speak to your opinion of Beck (he’s quite open about his life). But the rest shows that you, indeed, have more sense than we may have thought.

      Right on.

      • Al Sieber

        Kate8, yes, I believe Beck doesn’t tell us everything, and there are some subjects he avoids and won’t touch. but, if he get’s people thinking; that’s a start.

    • rwnut

      Bub War…This is strictly voluntary,but I would like to know if you can pass this small reading test.
      CMDUCKS
      MRNOTDUCKS
      OSMRDUCKS
      CMWANGS

      If you can pass it, you get one Demo-Donkey button

      • Bob Wire

        go play your games with someone that has the interest before I decide to really play with you and use you for a butt wipe.

        • rwnut

          Bub war..That’s not what the test was about.You failed.

  • JeffH

    The following senators voted against making English the official language of America
    Akaka (D-HI)
    Bayh (D-IN)
    Biden (D-DE)
    Bingaman (D-NM)
    Boxer (D-CA)
    Cantwell (D-WA)
    Clinton (D-NY)
    Dayton (D-MN)
    Dodd (D-CT)
    Domenici (R-NM)
    Durbin (D-IL)
    Feingold (D-WI)
    Feinstein (D-CA)
    Harkin (D-IA)
    Inouye (D-HI)
    Jeffords (I-VT)
    Kennedy (D-MA)
    Kerry (D-MA)
    Kohl (D-WI)
    Lautenberg (D-NJ)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Levin (D-MI)
    Lieberman (D-CT)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Mikulski (D-MD)
    Murray (D-WA)
    Obama (D-IL)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Reid (D-NV)
    Salazar (D-CO)
    Sarbanes (D-MD)
    Schumer (D-NY)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Wyden (D-OR)
    Now, the following are the senators who voted to give illegal aliens Social Security benefits. They are grouped by home state. If a state is not listed, there was no voting representative.
    Alaska : Stevens (R)
    Arizona : McCain (R)
    Arkansas : Lincoln (D) Pryor (D)
    California : Boxer (D) Feinstein (D)
    Colorado : Salazar (D)
    Connecticut : Dodd (D) Lieberman (D)
    Delaware : Biden (D) Carper (D)
    Florida : Martinez (R)
    Hawaii : Akaka (D) Inouye (D)
    Illinois : Durbin (D) Obama (D)
    Indiana: Bayh (D) Lugar (R)
    Iowa: Harkin (D)
    Kansas: Brownback (R)
    Louisiana: Landrieu (D)
    Maryland: Mikulski (D) Sarbanes (D)
    Massachusetts: Kennedy (D) Kerry (D)
    Montana: Baucus (D)
    Nebraska: Hagel (R)
    Nevada: Reid (D)
    New Jersey: Lautenberg (D) Menendez (D)
    New Mexico: Bingaman (D)
    New York: Clinton (D) Schumer (D)
    North Dakota : Dorgan (D)
    Ohio : DeWine (R) Voinovich(R)
    Oregon : Wyden (D)
    Pennsylvania : Specter (D)
    Rhode Island : Chafee (R) Reed (D)
    South Carolina : Graham (R)
    South Dakota : Johnson (D)
    Vermont : Jeffords (I) Leahy (D)
    Washington : Cantwell (D) Murray (D)
    West Virginia : Rockefeller (D), by Not Voting
    Wisconsin : Feingold (D) Kohl (D)

    THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES NEEDS TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION…..UNLESS THEY DON’T MIND SHARING THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY WITH FOREIGN WORKERS WHO DIDN’T PAY A DIME INTO IT.

    • Bob Wire

      now this is interesting Jeff ~ where you get it?

    • Al Sieber

      JeffH, thanks, I needed that list.

    • Claire

      JeffH–I certainly noticed there are more Democrats than Republicans on this list. Very enlightening. I will remember this.

      • Claire

        Durbin from Illinois, why am I NOT surprised. Another wishy washy politician.

  • Rick

    And Americans are foolish enough to stand by and watch it happen.

  • bp

    Pass it on:

    VOTING IN NOVEMBER IS A MUST!!!

    Subject: Word of the Day: DHIMMITUDE

    Has anyone heard of this new word? Dhimmitude?

    Amish and other religious groups may be exempt from forced purchase of Healthcare policies under Obama. You know what other groups this could include? Muslims and Christian Scientists may be exempt.

    Unbelievable! Word of the Day: DHIMMITUDE

    I checked with Snopes. There is an exemption for “certain religious groups” in the Health Care Bill. Obama supporters, check it out for yourself.

    Had never heard the word until now—Type it into Google and start reading. Pretty interesting. Note that Muslims and certain other religions are exempt from the penalties and it is supported by law. We are surrendering from within! This prez is leading us right down the path to total Muslim control! Maybe you voted for him but now the truth comes out. Maybe you should rethink what you have done.

    Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to islam.

    The bill is the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia diktat in the United States. Muslims may be specifically exempted. Islam considers insurance to be “gambling”, “risk-taking”, “usury” and is thus banned. Muslims may be specifically granted exemption based on this. How convenient. So I, John Smith, as a Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my assets, including real estate, cattle, cars etc., even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time if I refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto government insurance at our expense. Non-muslims will be paying to subsidize muslims. Period. This is Dhimmitude.

    Dhimmitude serves two purposes: it enriches the muslim masters and serves to drive conversions to islam. In this case, the incentive to convert to islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well as the godless Generation X,Y,Z types who have no moral anchor or belief in God! If you don’t believe in Christ to begin with, it is no problem whatsoever to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver. “Sure, I’ll be a muslim if it means free health insurance and no taxes. Where do I sign, brother?” Now all you Obama voters get in line for your free stuff!…However, I suggest you don’t hold your breath!…

    I recommend sending this email to all your contacts. This is desperately important for people to know; what the past election has done to all of us!

    P.S. Have you heard about the summit this month in D.C. for future muslim business leaders in the U.S.? Obama wants to increase business opportunities for the muslim community! Better start looking for a country that doesn’t cater to muslims(Austrailia doesn’t) because this country will be overrun by Muslims like Europe. And we thought our problem was the Mexicans!……

    • DaveH

      Here is the link for the summary of H.R. 3590. Type “religious” (without the quotes) in your browser search field (Ctrl F for Internet Explorer 8.0):
      http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d111:5:./temp/~bdoPEO:@@@D&summ2=m&|/home/LegislativeData.php|

      • dan of arizona

        Dave H
        All i get is your search has timed out

        • DaveH

          You’re right, Dan. I will try to find a more permanent link.

          • DaveH

            It’s almost as if they’re purposely trying to keep people from learning the truth. Anyway pick this link:
            http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/ROLL_100.asp
            Then scroll to Roll 165 (H R 3590). Then pick the H R 3590 link. Then pick the CRS Summary link. Then do a find on the word religious.

          • dan of arizona

            Dave H
            thanks it worked and now i understand why he pushed it through with out every one reading it, his term would have been up before it would have been fully read.tax payers your in deep dodo

    • Karolyn

      What do you have against Muslims in general? Because they believe differently than you? There is one God and he loves us all as Jesus, who is our brother, does

      • rwnut

        Karolyn…Muhammid is their god.You know,the baby raper.The same one that wants to kill all the infidels.That’s anyone who is not a Moosluum.Are you a Moosluum karolyn? Just asking. You may want to think about it.I doubt it though.

        • Karolyn

          No, I was a pretty good Christian up til a couple of years ago when I learned better. Actually I was raised Catholic, the worst church of all. Have you ever read the Koran?

          • rwnut

            karolyn…The bible tells me not to dabble in foolishness.Jesus said, “You must be born again”. Sorry the Catholic church didn’t help you there.

        • coal miner

          Rwnut,

          Try the Bible: Lot and his daughters,Abraham and his sister and wife Sarah,also his niece,both incest.Mary and Joseph,Mary twelve or thirteen,Joseph maybe a middle age man.No one should throw stones.

          http://www.answering-christianity.com/aisha.htm · Cached page

        • Karolyn

          Mohammed is not their god. They have the same one everybody has, but they call him Allah.

          • kate8

            Do some more research, Karolyn. Allah is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

            The early Ishmaelites, or Edomites, were made up of many tribes, each with their own god. Muhammad’s tribe worshipped Allah, the moon god. Since this was the god he knew, it became the god of his murderous movement, called Islam (submission).

      • Claire

        Karolyn—The Muslims/Islams? I suggest you learn the real truth about this way of life. Do you approve of old men marrying 5-6 year-old girls? And when these young girls become pregnant at a very early age–they have a terrible time giving birth because of their small pelvis, and in most cases they lose control of their urine for the rest of their lives. Do you approve of women being stoned to death? Do you approve of women being treated worse than an animal? I know enough about this religion and it disgusts me. I will not abide by their teachings or their horrific way of life. God does love us all, however, he also gives us choices to live a decent and honest life. Do not waste your time telling me the Muslims/Islams are wonderful people, and oh yes, they certainly are different. A difference that I want no part of, ever.

        • Karolyn

          Of course I know of all that, and the women are starting to fight back. Hey, they’re Muslim too. Do you have a problem with them? In the Bible women are told to be subservient to their husbands, and men had many wives and even slept with daughters and brothers’ wives.

          • Jeep

            You know Karolyn you wure have a lot of time on your hands for someone who cannot provide enough food for yourself, and must rely on the govt. I’m just sayin’.

          • Claire

            Karolyn–Okay, let’s get down to the nitty gritty. Yes, I have a problem with them. I do not want their religion/beliefs shoved down my throat. They can believe or worship whatever idol they want, but don’t expect me to have any compassion for this type of blasphemy. Now, are you satisfied or do you want more?

          • kate8

            You GO, Claire!

            Karolyn has subscribed to the liberal doctrine of relativism.

            Isn’t it interesting how she despises America, yet accepts money from Americans via the dole. She blames America for our perceived faults, yet excuses atrocities committed in other cultures. Oh, that’s just their culture.

            PIG SWILL! HOGWASH! I’m really tired of these namby-pamby liberals deriding the decent people of America, while elevating and defending the barbarians in other countries and cultures.

          • Joyce from Loris

            Girl, you are sick beyond help. I am surprised that some of the rednecks in South Carolina have not strung you up yet. By the way, there is a HUGE difference in rednecks and white trash. I recommend that you purchase some seeds. You think I am heartless toward those who are “down on their luck”. Well, I am not. So, here is my advice to you. BUY SOME SEEDS, because you are going to need them to EAT. Groups across America are diligently working to have welfare and food stamps and free housing, and free medical and free cell phones ENDED by petition. So, you have been warned and that is my good deed to you today.

          • Karolyn

            It’s really dawning on me that you are just jealous. If you would look at what you have posted against me and look at what I have posted, you will see that I sound a little more reserved and not like a conservative fanatic with frantic slander.

          • Bob Wire

            As for myself, The Christian Faith with it’s sexist views and practices is hard enough to swallow down and I struggle with it. There is no way this man would do anything to promote Islam or father it’s cause.

            Islam is an abomination to the spirit of mankind. Any human being that can’t rationalize ideas and thought without installing a penis or a vagina on it is not remotely understanding the matters of spirit, the essence of what we are.

            That’s all I’ve got to say about it.

          • Claire

            Karolyn– Jealous?? Conservative frantic slander? You must be joking. Any person with an ounce of common sense would KNOW the truth about the Muslim/Islamic religion (cult). Apparently you approve of what they do and how they do it. That is your opinion and welcome to it. I do not agree, I will never agree with this “religious sham.” I have a right to my opinions and my beliefs. If you do not like it, don’t read my posts. Especially since I have no desire to promote the twisted and insane beliefs that the Muslims/Islams practice. Obviously you do, but don’t waste your time trying to make me believe the same way you do. It won’t work.

          • libertytrain

            Kate8 and Claire- nicely said. I agree.

          • Claire

            libertytrain- A good morning to you! Your girl will be home soon! Hope all is well with you and yours. Hot and humid here- we survived another horrific storm last night. Hope your weather is good.

          • DaveH

            I bore witness to the disgusting behavior that Karolyn excuses away. I was at a local zoo on a hot summer day and coming toward me was a group of muslims. There were two adult males, two adult women, and several children. I heard the men several times yelling in a foreign tongue. It appeared to be at the women, but I’m not sure.
            Anyway, as I said, it was a hot summer day, and the women were clothed head-to-feet in black, heavy garment. I am used to smiling at people as I walk by, but I was so angry at what those women had to endure that I turned around and walked the other way, because there was no chance that I would be able to behave if I walked past them.

          • Claire

            DaveH– I believe every word you say. There was a family in the grocery store a few months ago, the woman kept her head down, and the man barked at the kids. The kids were like little mice, afraid to do anything and yet the man talked to them like they were commiting unpardonable sins. The woman was covered up head to toe. They all looked miserable. What a horrible existence.

          • eddie47d

            Dave H. “covered from head to toe” Catholic nuns?? Anyone for mini-skirts?

          • Claire

            Ahhhh mini-skirts- mini-dresses– Those were the days. I still have my favorites packed away. I was searching through boxes awhile back and found them. I looked at them and I was shocked as to how short they really were!! When I wore them I didn’t think much about it. Now, I am really surprised/amazed. Did I really wear them?? Yes, I did. How times flies and how time changes a person’s outlook on what is suitable, decent/indecent. Life is wondeful!!

          • libertytrain

            eddie47d it’s a rare day when you can recognize a Catholic nun in the US these days. Very few wear habits anymore -Their mode of dress was taken from the dress the people of the day wore when their particular sect was created – hence since the late 1960′s most nuns in the USA started dressing just like everyone else. Not all. Most.

          • David in Ma.

            If you want islam, wear a burka, have no rights, and get treated worse than a cur dog, move to a muslim country, do not try to change my country, AMERICA!!!

      • DaveH

        The most important thing about Muslims is that they have no tolerance for Freedom. Wherever they exist in large enough numbers there is trouble. Look up the major conflicts around the world. They almost always involve Muslims.
        And wherever they hold the majority, there is almost always no religious freedom allowed. Look at this list of Muslim majority countries and then look them up individually with “name-of-country + religious-freedom” in the search field. The truth will set you free:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_majority_countries

        • JeffH

          DaveH, recieved this in an email today and thought I’d share it for it’s humor…

          Everyone seems to be wondering why Muslim terrorists are so quick to commit suicide.

          Let’s see why…
          No Jesus
          No Christmas
          No television
          No cheerleaders
          No Nude Women
          No car races
          No football
          No soccer
          No pork BBQ
          No hot dogs
          No burgers
          No chocolate chip cookies
          No lobster
          No nachos
          No Beer nuts
          No Beer!!!!!

          Rags for clothes and towels for hats.
          Constant wailing from the guy next – door because he’s sick and there are no doctors.
          Constant wailing from the guy in the tower.
          More than one wife.
          You can’t shave.
          Your wives can’t shave.
          You can’t shower to wash off the smell of donkey cooked over burning camel dung.
          Your bride is picked by someone else.
          She smells just like your donkey.
          Then they tell you that when you die it all gets better!

          I mean, really, is there a mystery here?

          • kate8

            JeffH, That is really funny! I’m still laughing.

            Too bad it’s true.

  • DaveH
    • JeffH

      DaveH, snakes, snakes and more snakes crawling out from every institution in the world…it’s way past time to make a change, let’s just hope that a change can be made before the time has passed us by.

      Freedom is the high stakes of this political game. What freedom means to each individual is at stake, there should be only one goal in mind, to be able to determine one’s actions without restraint.

      The choices they make have set in motion the beginnings of the historical significance that we will call the 21st Century American Revolution…let it be a peacefull revolution and may God have mercy on their soul.

    • BrotherPatriot

      Grrr…HELL NO!!!…to ANY Bilderberg linked encumbant or hopeful elected. That’s what is needed to be understood by our masses.

  • Claire

    What on earth is going on? I just read this article–California welfare recipients are able to use state-issued debit cards to withdraw cash from automatic teller machinces at 32 of the state’s 58 tribal casinos and 47 of 90 state-licensed poker rooms. To make it easier for cardholders to locate ATMs in casinos, the Department of Social Services lists them on the website. Good grief. The whole world is going mad.

  • Claire

    Another item—-More than 1,200 prison inmates defrauded the government of $9.1 million in tax credits reserved for first-time home buyers, according to a report by the Treasury Department’s Inspector General. Among the recipients were 241 inmates serving life sentences, who received $1.7 million. The report disclosed that thousands of non-carcerated people filed erroneous claims, resulting in more than $28 million being improperly doled out. No wonder we are in a constant state of chaos.

    • JeffH

      Claire, that is but an example of many that big government cannot overseer themselves let alone act as overseer for the citizens. Plainly, big government is ineffective and a liability to every American taxpayer.
      The Project on Government Oversight,POGO, is an investigative organization with an expertise for working with sources inside the government and whistleblowers to document evidence of corruption, waste, fraud, or abuse. They also provide a Federal Contractor Misconduct Database which shows that government awards contracts to companies with histories of misconduct such as contract fraud and environmental, ethics, and labor violations.
      http://www.contractormisconduct.org/

      • Bob Wire

        I can’t argue with you Jeff ~ big government opens these doors. But how would small government be any different? Offer no incentive programs at all?

        You know that’s how government leads? with incentives and penalties. The carrot and the stick.

        People (most) by nature ~won’t do the right thing! ~ It’s hard to get them to return a shopping cart to the correct area after they enjoyed the benefit of it’s use much less things of greater importance that has a common effect on others. Government would hardly be necessary otherwise.

        • kate8

          BW, Government is more efficient and effective at the local levels. That way, people can regulate themselves as needed. It’s the bloated, centralized beaurocracy that wants to regulate and control everything across the board, removing all freedoms that allow us to live our lives, how and where we choose.

          The federal government was set up to give us protection from invasion, so the states could safely operate independently. But the lust for power is always too great for some, and you always have those who want to control it all. And so you can see how it’s all been set up systematically, step by step, for the last century.

          • Claire

            kate8–Good morning to you! I think you are right on this one too.

          • kate8

            Good morning, Claire!

            Good posts on this thread. I really enjoy the exchange.

          • Bob Wire

            Hmm? Granted that we could assume smaller state government would be more efficient and affective. ~ But I think it’s a big assumption that “the people” might enjoy the rewards of it. This is where government both large and small starts to fail us. So we are left to assume we can better control “this self-propagating” of government on a smaller stage? While it does make sense ! Still it for us to seen that’s what happens! otherwise , we in on better shape.

            Seems we are focusing on the FED ~ while it’s the state that’s kicking my teeth in day in and day out. ~ having accepted the 4 trillion dollar sandbox debacle as a loss long ago.

            So we have two parts to this proposed reform ? fed and state? You can’t do one without the other. So doesn’t more state issues need to come forward ~ much like Arizona’s issues? Surly there’s more to address then just immigration.

        • DaveH

          That includes people in the Government, Bob.
          They are no better than the people in the general population. Maybe they are even worse given that the power of the positions is more attractive perhaps to unscrupulous people.
          There are all the incentives people need to behave in the Free Markets and from peer-pressure. We don’t need government goons making the decisions about what peoples’ choices are (as long as they don’t trespass on the bodies and property of others).

      • Claire

        JeffH–This is appalling. Since government is so big, there is no way they can keep a handle on things. Too many chiefs and the underlings are not doing their jobs like they should.

    • JeffH

      Claire…here’s another one to ponder.

      12 Outrageous Wastes of Taxpayers’ Money
      Most have heard the saying that no one takes care of a rental car like they take care of their own. Why not floor the gas pedal or track sand into the car – the reasoning goes – if you’ll never see it again after this week? In many ways, this is a perfect analogy to government waste. No matter which party is in power, spending other people’s money rarely compels one to be as prudent as if they were spending their own. Combine this with the typical politician’s time horizon (the next election) and it’s easy to see why so many government projects and initiatives have been swallowed by waste over the years. Here are 12 of the most outrageous examples.
      http://www.billshrink.com/blog/5626/government-wastes/

      • Claire

        JeffH–One more thing to ponder is correct. Geez, will this ever stop?

    • JeffH

      Welfare Fraud (Primarily Involving Bridge Cards) Costs Michigan $55 Million Annually.
      Blatant Medicare fraud costs taxpayers billions. A $5 million wheelchair and phony arms. Stealing from Medicare can be a very lucrative endeavor. A man caught for Medicare fraud says “If in a year you want $6 million or $8 million you can do it.”

      Misused and Abused Tax Dollars (August 2003) Well in excess of $10 billion in tax dollars have been wasted by fraud and abuse in California state and local government, including education, over the past four years

      Fraud and Abuse in Federal Programs
      The federal government is a vast money transfer machine. It spends hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars each year on subsidy programs—from the massive Medicare to hundreds of more obscure programs that most people have never heard of. There are more than 1,800 federal subsidy programs. The federal budget has become victim to large-scale fraud and abuse—that is, people taking government benefits to which they are not entitled. Just about every subsidy program suffers from fraud and abuse, and we illustrate the problems here with discussions of Medicare, Medicaid, housing programs, student aid, and farm subsidies. Losses to federal taxpayers from fraud, abuse, and other types of improper payments are in the ballpark of $100 billion a year or more.

      The Government Accountability Office estimates that there are about $17 billion of improper Medicare payments each year, including fraudulent and erroneous overpayments to health care providers.

      Malcolm Sparrow of Harvard University, a top specialist in health care fraud, argues that estimates by federal auditors do not measure all types of fraud. He believes that as much as 20 percent of federal health program budgets are consumed by fraud and abuse, which would be about $85 billion a year for Medicare.

      http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/fraud-and-abuse

      • Claire

        JeffH— I sometimes think Medicare has been abused–by the doctors and hospitals. With all the health issues/surgeries Bob has had, there were a couple of times they made errors and billed Medicare twice for one surgery. Thankfully it was corrected but a person really has to watch the billing procedures. The cost for each surgery was astronomical but I will not complain, Bob is still alive.
        I don’t have any solutions for this wasteful spending, other than to do away with all the programs and start anew with much less. Sure, we can elect new people but how in the world will they be able to straighten out this mess? And will they?
        Only the Shadow knows. Sorry, I am tired and am getting goofy.

        • JeffH

          Claire, sometimes I have to wonder if the waste and fraud are so far out of hand that those responsible for oversight can’t handle it and just give up and let it continue…it’s more a matter of taking responsibility and having the pride to do the best job one can do. I think that is where stopping the fraud and waste is lost…Of course it’s tough being governend by the lawmakers that really don’t give a rats a$$ about anything or anybody but themselves…selfishness breeds selfisness.

          • Claire

            JeffH–Good morning! Rise and shine! I think you hit the nail on the head. In a way I guess it is just too much to oversee. The people that are in charge of these programs have to monitor the entire situation and supervise the employees to make sure everything is done correctly and it would be near impossible to watch everything. I think DaveH is right–we need less government, less everything and do things in moderation. It will be a nightmare to clean up.

  • http://www.TomBlairEA.com Thomas Avery Blair EA

    Stop organized crime…re-elect not one incumbent…Democrat nor Republican…they all let American down. If we were truly a nation of laws and “with justice for all” almost every member of congress should be charged with violating their individually-given oaths of federal office to support and defend the Constitution of these United States of Obama…oops, America.

    Do you know what an Oligarchy is? Do you really believe that the USA is a democracy? Read the American Pledge of Alligence…you won’t find the word “democracy” in it…but rather “…for the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible…”

    To the Christians: Do not hate the politically-liberal or the misguided, but rather pray for them. Although I am a rarity, I was once a Liberal Democrat myself…God through Jesus Christ removed the burden of Liberalism on my heart and my soul.

    Forgive them, for they know not (or perhaps even care not) what they do to their society, our nation or to themselves and their own loved ones. Pray for their enlightenment, and condemn them not, for judgement is the authority of God, not of the righteous Christian…hate the sin, not the sinner.

    Again I say: Oppose in earnest organized crime by not re-electing not one incumbent in the 2010 (and the 2012) elections in the USA.

    Respectfully submitted

    Thomas Avery Blair, EA

  • Bob Wire

    More like disorganized crime!

    I understand your approach Thomas ~Send them a message!

    but that would be very expensive ~ I’m not sure we can afford it.

    Like Bush and his SEC ~ They filled SEC job slots with college children ~ babes in the woods ~ oblivious to the nature of white collar criminals. ~ You appoint an overseer ~ that’s sympathetic to your position and he fills the slots ~ the less these “underlings” know ~ all the better! You know little? Great ! your hired! Welcome to the Securities and Exchange Commission!

    And I’m not sure if we could get much out of 345 greenhorn congressperson.

    It would be an experiment ~ for sure! and your right ~ Capital Hill needs to get the message.

    I’m thinking more along the lines ~ guilt of misconduct? ~ loss of position, forfeiture of all vested benefits and it be sure and certain. Then subject 5 to 10 of them to it, to let the rest know it’s “a real deal” and not an idle threat.

    • dan of arizona

      We call it here the pyramid of stupidity you only hire people that can not be a threat to your job

      • Al Sieber

        dan, you got that right.

      • American Citizen

        That’s surely the case with Obama.

  • Bob Wire

    You know, I don’t think some of us follow these threads very well ~ there is a learning curve for sure. ~ You must follow the lines, as statements and responses are offered.

    I had problems with it in the beginning ~ and made some mistakes, the results being “reply’s” and statements ending up in the wrong place.

    Unless you write in a fashion to where you post “Stands completely Alone” without the aid of prior post it can be confusing. I sometimes like to refer back to the OP (original poster) in an attempt to stay on topic. But I’m learning this type of post does need to stand alone as it seems out of context with the thread. I’m still learning and appreciate everyone’s indulgence.

    I offer this only as I’m finding people attacking me while we are in accord and agree on the issue ~ I’m left to wondering, ~ Is this a posting issue or just a GOP thing?

    I’m thinking , it’s a little of both. ~ I think some of you just want to fight and label and for some it’s just a misunderstanding from poorly developed phrasing to loosing the context in the thread.

    In any case ~ we all learn, develop and refine with practice.

    at least that’s my hope for each of us.

    >>”FreedomFest crowd made it clear what they wanted: less government, less spending, lower taxes, fewer bureaucrats and no deficits.”<<

    Well that all find and good to want such things ~ I fail to see any argument. Let's quickly address each one shall we?

    Less Government! The FED I assume? ~ poof ! you got it! Go to the State to complete you want list! CDC, Immigration, FDA, Import /Export? should they be State or Federal matters? Right?

    Less Spending? again The Fed? ~ poof! done! The less the Fed takes on the less it should spent ~ but again the State will need to Cowboy up! The State will spend more.

    Lower Taxes? again the Fed? again if it does less, it will require less ~ but there is state again ~ with it's hand out.

    Fewer Bureaucrats? ~ POOF! done! fewer FED and more at the state level! Become more like Arizona.

    No Deficit? I think that's most doable ! Poof! done.

    I see nothing wrong with this in practice ~ but we need to accept this can't happen quickly and we are exposing ourselves to State government more then ever before. ~ Trading one huge parasite for two smaller ones!

    Plus we have done nothing to address the influence of special interest as I see it at the very core of "all governments" failures to lead the nation. ( well not all! okay ~ but much)

    Have a great Sunday

    • DaveH

      Bob,
      There is no reason that state or local government should grow to take up the slack of a diminished Federal Government. I suggest that we cut back dramatically on both.
      To a certain extent, State Governments would be self-limiting since they can’t print their own money. But with the current people in charge, the Federal Government seems willing to bail out the states with their monopoly money, so there goes that natural limiting effect.

      • Bob Wire

        good point daveH, self -regulating. ~

        what we seem to have now is each department, ~ Fed or state working on a budget. ~ a projected budget. ~ If they spend less ~ then their budget becomes harder for them to justify much less any increases. Each department is guilty of fighting for it share ! ~ It’s at this level government begins to break down and leads to “infighting” ~ one of the reasons the FBI and CIA can’t seem to interface and offer us good intel even thought we paid them for it! You throw into this mix the debacle a partisan bias and we’ve created a Grammar School Play Ground of Nanny Nanny Poo Poo on you! and “I’m gonna tell!”

        I’m all for Small State Government ~ “IF” it’s going to be ran the way we Texans experiences government today.

        As for the Fed ~ I was always annoyed with this obsession with Global interest and Federal expansion. I thought well of Nixon but I’d preferred he’d left the Chinese alone. But with the stand down in Nam, I kind of figured he had some words that needed to be spoken there. After me buying into the notion it was imperative to halt communist aggression, his trip and action made sense in the context of history.

        Reagan? same thing. George 41? A new threat! a new age, was his hand called with the invasion of Kuwait? I’m not sure if we can lay blame at his doorstep, I think the lady ambassador” what her name? Albright? ~ I think she dropped the ball. ~ I don’t think that she was all that bright myself. OR ~Was she instructed to convey the administrations feeling and that’s exactly what she did ` or did she just fail? I’m not convinced we’ll ever know. ~~ I’m getting off track

        But yes! a Smaller Fed would be most welcome and a smaller state as well.

        If we know where we want to go~ we need to share the vision. And I know that’s what many of you are attempting to do here.

        But it’s not a democrat thing anymore then a republican thing ~ it’s vision thing.

        We have been raked over the coals by special interest with the help of the GOP & DNC( in a lesser degree) for several years now and your vision is being received as double talk and gobbley gook, things we’ve heard before.

        It’s the vision that needs to be sold. ~ good salesmen won’t do this ~ they won’t try to sell the vision, finding it too difficult.

        salesmen don’t sell a steak , they sell the sizzle.

        A longer pitch is required to sell just a piece of meat.

        You need to offer a vision of State to sell with this vision of the Fed, otherwise it falls of deaf ears.

        We had an Arizonian gent weigh in earlier, “dan of arizona” `

        Perhaps Dan might share with us his experiences of state matter today in his state. I feel you might have insights to offer us as your largest employer in the state is the state.

        • Denniso

          The ambassador to Iraq under papa Bush was not Albright…she was under Clinton. I think it’s now pretty obvious that the first Bush administration conveyed through their ambassador their ambivalence toward Saddam invading and taking of Kuwait…for the purpose of then having a reason to destroy most of Hussein’s army as he was getting too big for our purposes,even though it was us,under Reagan, who helped build up his military as a counter to our enemy Iran.
          So hundreds of thousands have now been killed there,mostly poor civilians,because of our clever deeds in the region.

          • Denniso

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Glaspie

            “But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait. I was in the American Embassy in Kuwait during the late ’60s. The instruction we had during this period was that we should express no opinion on this issue and that the issue is not associated with America. James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction. We hope you can solve this problem using any suitable methods via Klibi (Chedli Klibi, Secretary General of the Arab League) or via President Mubarak. All that we hope is that these issues are solved quickly.”

          • Bob Wire

            Now wasn’t that an interesting piece of work.

            Sounds to me like April Catherine Glaspie the American diplomat, ~ changed her story. As history fits one story and fails to fit the other that she testified as being true, while explains it away as, Saddam was just stupid.

            Saddam was many things but stupid wasn’t one of them.

            You know? ~ it not uncommon for soldiers of kings to fall on their own swords from time to time. ~ Ollie North did much the same thing with Ronnie Ray guns. Took a bullet for the Gipper.

            I think April’s showers brought May flowers and a bitter crop.

            Thanks for the heads up! Hey! what was you doing over there Dennis?

          • Denniso

            I wasn’t there… just one citizen outraged at lies that got us into Iraq twice and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of soldiers and innocent civilians and cost us trillions of $$. Is it a coincidence that both wars w/ Iraq begun w/ lies were committed by Republicans?

    • American Citizen

      Bob, I have the same problems sometimes on here. Basically, for some posters, there’s a total lack of comprehension. I saw this in school children whom I tutored.

  • jopa

    All of this welfare and medicare fraud has been running rampant over the last ten years and now we actually have an administration addressing the issue.Thank you Mr. President.America is now starting to clean up the mess caused by you know who.

    • Bob Wire

      well we hope jopa ~ It’s in the works ~ but in the end ~ will only be as good as the people engaged and involved. My opinion, ~ be willing to make enemies and stand on the side of truth and fairness especially when it’s a hard thing to do and will cost you.

    • Al Sieber

      jopa, how is he doing that? where’s the proof?

      • Bob Wire

        Proving anything is darn near impossible ~ we could ask you to prove there “is” fraud. ~ You’d have to find a court case, in fact that’s all you could offer as proof. We couldn’t prove OJ killed his wife. We can’t prove a UFO shut down an airport in China last week. ~ we only have their word and pictures for the shut down. Since the story broke, the goons have sabotaged much of the data, making it appear a corny hoax. There is a virus on several of the sites anymore. ~ I’d encourage you to not go there without a current firewall and good virus protection and some rubber boots!

        Here’s the only proof one could offer ~ an audit is in the works.

        Last year, the White House said, Medicare and Medicaid made $54 billion worth of improper payments. The administration estimates the audit program will return at least $2 billion over the next three years.

        Obama’s efforts follow those of a long line of Republican and Democratic presidents who promised to save taxpayers money by cutting fraud, waste and abuse in the government insurance programs. The sentiment is popular because it has bipartisan support and doesn’t threaten entrenched health industry interests that benefit from the spending.

        “Waste, fraud and abuse have been the favorite thing to promise first because it’s a way of promising cost control while not doing any of the painful stuff,” said Len Nichols, a former senior health policy adviser in the Clinton administration. The method is “as old as the Bible,” he said.

        The issue is also part of Obama’s political positioning. Republicans talked a lot about cutting waste and fraud during last month’s bipartisan summit on health care reform, and Obama noted it was an area on which the two parties could agree. Moving to aggressively slash fraud is part of the president’s ongoing effort to demonstrate that he is listening to Republican ideas and incorporating them into his health care plan.

        Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34474.html#ixzz0uq0w9esd

  • kate8

    Well, folks, it’s just as many of us thought. The Sharrod charade was a set-up.

    It appears that she is now considering filing suit against Breitbart for defamation of character. Never mind that Breitbart was fed this info by someone setting him up, and they now plan to use it to muzzle free speech.

    This video gives a glimpse of the future of news reporting, and especially blogging:

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/cnn-anchors-call-for-crackdown-on-bloggers.html

    What I want to know is, will the liberal media be muzzled, too? Ha!

    • JeffH

      kate8, Andrew Breitbart is as honest as the day is long and has played a huge role to expose the liberal media for their continued shenanigans and expose the lies perpetrated by them. He made a mistake, no doubt , and I say let Sharrod do what she wants. She admitted her bias from 20 years ago. Whether she has changed, she only knows, but I don’t think she has a case against Breitbart. Breitbart can stand solidly and proudly on his record and one mistake does not change that.

      • JeffH

        …I’d like to add the question of why did her administrators jump so quickly to seek her resignation and why did she cave in and resign unless there was in fact some guilt and truth there.

        • eddie47d

          No guilt on her part and I would say she is a true hero for putting up with Breitbarts disgusting bigotry. If the administration hadn’t moved quickly then Jokers like you and Beck and Rush would have immediately pounced on Obama and accused him of supporting a black bigot.You’ve done it before so why wouldn’t you this time?

          • kate8

            Oh, shut up, eddie. You libs are such slimy hypocrites. Your credibility here is zero. Zilch. Nada. Nyet.

          • DaveH

            Speaking of Bigots:
            He says “I don’t know all the facts” and then moments later says “the Cambridge Police acted stupidly”.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LucTPdK8VTc

          • eddie47d

            Really disgusting DaveH. No one should be arrested for going into their own house. Once his I.D. was determined then the arrest should have stopped an a apology given by police should have been given. The police should have moved on to more important issues (catching bank robbers maybe) You say you stand up for personal liberties but have proved us wrong again.The police did act stupidly. You and Kate8 are the troubling hypocrites.

          • Denniso

            Interesting how most ‘conservatives’ rant about freedom and jackbooted thugs,until a Black professor is arrested in his own home…

          • j

            i think Obama is a big racist against ehite people. He is a dictator.
            Also wants to destroy our Country.

        • kate8

          JeffH, something smelled rotten from the outset of this story. I knew they were setting someting up, thinking we’d all fall for it.

          Come on, now. The liberal press has been excoriating conservatives for years. How many lives have they destroyed? This is such blatant hypocrasy – I just can’t stand it.

          We’ve got to do something to let the air out of this. They really do think we’re that stupid.

          If Fox and the rest of the conservative media doesn’t jump on this, we’ll know without a doubt we’ve been played by both sides.

          • Denniso

            How about this other option…your theory doesn’t hold water.

      • eddie47d

        Andrew Breitbart is as Dishonest as the day is long.It wasn’t a mistake but a deliberate scam on his part. Big difference. Kind of makes him the Bernie Madoff of the media. ( I’ll do something wrong until I get caught).

        • JeffH

          fast eddie, why don’t you provide us with another Breitbart “scam”? Provide one other “scam” by Breitbart and I’ll openly apologize to you and agree with you. I’ll be standing by waiting for your proof!

          • eddie47d

            Breitbart got his fingers caught in the political cookie jar before. He encouraged and financed that goofball that attempted to break-in to Mary Landrieu’s office.He doesn’t “report” news he goes out and makes it happen. Then sits back and sees what the damage is done. There’s enough news out there without being a fraud.

          • DaveH

            JeffH,
            Get it right. He is Slow, not Fast. Slow Eddie.
            One of his favorite examples is Bernie Madoff.
            Bernie is a Democrat:
            http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2008/12/bernard-madoff-democrat.html

          • eddie47d

            Dave H. Who cares whether Madoff was a Democrat or a Libertarian that wasn’t the point at all. So many things go over your head anymore.

        • Bob Wire

          dishonest ? disingenuous ? I think you are trying to split hairs.

          The defendant has went beyond the question of “should one?”

          and begs the question of “can one?”

          The time has come for Mr. Breitbart to be subjected to his rights under law. I find it just, appropriate and timely.

          The case will be decided on it’s merits and the final verdict will set a new standard for media.

          People take exception with Micheal Moore style of documentation yet seems to enjoy Mr. Breitbart’s which implies a double standard of sorts as Mr. Breitbart dresses in disguise,used props and stand -in’s, offers a ruse and attempts to entrap.

          Making perhaps the political bias editing the only common thread between the two.

    • JeffH

      Screw CNN and Kyra Phillips and John Roberts. Now they want to put restraints on free speech…maybe there should be some honor in being an “news anchor” and should be silenced for their dis-honor in reporting the truth. Before the libs start on FOX, I mean all of them. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander or you don’t crap on the same plate you eat from. Just totally disgusting!

  • chuck b

    kate8

    its too bad that we have intelligent people in the media that trusts the media. like you i smelled a rat when that story broke. the red flag went up when the wh called for her dismissal, the democrats don’t fire their own even for murder until they hold their hearings and that may take years. i had no idea what they were up too, but i knew it was no good. i watched your link, there are people that use language that i’m sure would have second thoughts if they were facing each other. i get a laugh out of some when they get mad and start insulting, however, with the exception of an ocasional drifter i don’t see a problem and it gives a little spice to the conversation. barry would probably love it if he could shut up the opposition.

    • Bob Wire

      >>>its too bad that we have intelligent people in the media that trusts the media. like you i smelled a rat when that story broke. the red flag went up when the wh called for her dismissal, the democrats don’t fire their own even for murder until they hold their hearings and that may take years.<<<

      Hmm? I think most all of them are intelligent, "lacking scruples" might be a better phrase. And I think that's what this is about on the behalf of both parties.

      Sharrod, soul bearing confession was a very foolish move (on a personal and professional level) much like Jimmy Carter's honest admission that he "lusted" for other women. That's just too much information! I'm quite sure it cooled Rosalynn Carter jets some and Jimmy got some backlash all the way to the bedroom much less dominating several new news cycles. Smooth move exlax!

      The upside to all of this political wrangling is that it's brought it out into the open for us to address. Is this "news gathering and reporting tool" acceptable?

      I would think the court system is perhaps the best place for this to be decided myself. Who is the true villain and victim? ~ Is this Breitbart not the individual that with aid of assistant, props and wardrobe carries out a ruse to perpetrate illegal activity in a attempt to capture unflattering film footed by multiplication and editing? And in fact did so?

      This is what the court system is for, to determine if it's acceptable. I fail to see it as "Free Speech" issue while I'm little doubt that defense will be used.

      • Denniso

        Breitbart is nothing but a political hack trying to wield power and influence and out to destroy any Democrat he can…the Dems panicked and showed their basic cowardice in the face of a typical rightwing smear canpaign. Sherrod is the victim of both.

  • Rick

    Thanks to all for your replies. I truly appreciate it! Even the libs even though you are so messed up. At any rate, see you on the next story!

  • Rick

    The duplicity, arrogance and hypocrisy of the Obama administration
    never fails to astound me. How much hubris does it take to tell the
    people of America not to waste their money going to Las Vegas, and
    then spend millions of taxpayer dollars by going there himself for
    four days to campaign for “DINGY HARRY”. This must be the way Obama
    spreads the wealth around to his Democrat mymidons.

  • Bob Wire

    DaveH ~~ regarding the cost of the war ~ you need to pull it up ~ the link in long as your leg ~ but that was 12 month old figure and they say we are spending a billion a day to keep it going. ~ This cost of 4 trillion included projected VA cost if that make you feel any better about it. It doesn’t me because it could and most likely will be more,but a base line was introduced.

    This thread is getting to long for my PC and I’m losing any brazing speed so I’m moving on. ~ I enjoyed this thread. There was many things I’d like to follow up on and some post I’d like to address but time does not allow, thank everyone for their insights.

    We’ve done no harm here and only good will come of it.

  • dan of arizona

    fast eddie (butt head)
    smilie (beaves)

  • Anthony

    Saying Hello to Bob Wire, JeffH, Barb, and oh so many others that actually get it. As for the rest who still waste time and internet money on the Left/Right Paradigm? Can ya find a Pinochle Club somewhere, …or how about Bingo…

    The FreedomFest is (as it should be) considered a SUCCESS.
    However, The Money Masters had invested their time in the next list of steps involved in their Master Plan, all laid out on the GEORGIA GUIDESTONES.

    The bottom line for me is this – Whomever has control of the Money, is who is pushing us around. That’s the truth of it. If it’s too deep for you, or it bursts any bubbles you may have blown for yourself….. TOO BAD.

    We live in a Money Paradigm. Without Money, you can’t eat – unless you own your own Farm, and even that’s getting to be a Corporate Disgrace. Chack out FOOD,INC on Youtube.

    Until we erradicate the Central Bank, most of our work will be for nothing. Oh, sure, they’ll let loose of some of it and boom the economy on us when it suits their profit margins…

    But, the REAL PROFITS ONLY COME FROM ….. WAR
    You don’t like to hear it – I don’t care.

    I’m glad for the FreedomFest and I cheer them on, ….LOUDLY!
    I hope the event replicates itself – local Tea Parties are a semblence of that.

    You can bet one thing… there’s about to be a False Flag Event, soon and it will mark the beginning of WWIII … the War to eradicate a lot of good human beings, because much like Stalin, it is a LOT easier to starve people to death than to figure out ways to feed them – and the Banks get to keep all the money in the process. Oh, and if you check, even Stalin and Lenin admitted publicly that someone else in the Soviet Union was actually running the Show …. THE MONEY MASTERS.

    Like I said – I cheer them on. And, I hope… they are spreading the word to everyone they meet. Until we wake up the Sheeple, about 60% of this Country will blindly help The Money Masters with their New World Order … and most of those will not like that which they helped create.

    I know I’m spreading the word… and you should hear some who THINK they already know everything…. nothing is more ridiculous to watch… it is painful and cruelly humorous.., but it is something that needs to happen…. even to Denniso and the other Left/Right Paradigm Addictions who post here….

    JUST SPREAD THE WORD – BECOME A FREEDOM FEST-ER…

    www-nwofordummies-com

    • Anthony

      AS FOR THE OBAMA-SUPPORTERS… THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS [ HOT ]

      I told everyone I knew that while it failed in 2003, and BUSH was certainly going to be blamed for it in the Media, which he was…. Charlie Rangel and Co have re-introduced that fiasco once again in —-

      H.R. 5741

      And, THIS TIME, PEOPLE …. NO ONE WILL BE EXEMPT….

      Okay – you Lefties…. and moderates who make excuses all the time…

      What say you now… Oh, how old are ya?

      H.R. 5741 … is about bringing back THE DRAFT

      Only this time – it’s both military AND civilian… everyone gets the call… just like the Youth Nazi Organization.

      Let’s hear it…. Obama Puppets… You ready to yanked from your homes, like the North Koreans were depicted in the hit series M*A*S*H ???

      • Denniso

        A draft would be more fair…as it is now, mostly the lower class signs up because of the money and college ed.

        If we had a draft,it is doubtful that the Afghan war would still be going on after 9 yrs…the longest war in our history and another bungled job by Bush who didn’t focus enough attention on it. Thanks Repubs who supported that jack*ss!

      • Bob Wire

        The truth being , with a bad economy ~ the armed forces would have to get “very creative” in enlistment to avoid a draft.

        But ~ labor is cheap! a perfect environment for a voluntary army.

        Quite a coincidence I would think.

        Conditions are created that makes many things possible.

    • BrotherPatriot

      Once again…I’m mostly in agreement with you Anthony and it’s always great to read your posts. I have mentioned this before and will do so here again. There are 2 ROOT level problems that if addressed will give our REPUBLIC the opportunity to begin to heal from all the planned damage that they have been doing to us. This planned damage is all part of their Agenda to destroy the sovernity of not just America, but every other country as well.

      1) Get rid of the 3rd central bank…the Federal Reserve. (It’s not Federal and it’s not OUR Reserve.) They control us because they control our money & have us in debt to them. Why our government borrows money at an interest from them when we can legally print our own money and regulate it by a check & balance system…is beyond me. Why we have let them do this to us for so long…angers me beyond belief. Take this TOOL out of their arsenal and we can begin to become free once again.
      2) Enforce the LOGAN ACT and end the Elites behind closed door policy setting meetings! The people who gather behind closed doors without any accountability is abherently saturated with personal gain at the expense of others. The Bilderbergs (all their various organizations) not only exist but they are the true source of why our world is the way it is. It’s their AGENDA and from all the research that I have done on them…that which is kept in the dark is done so for a REASON. Their plans would die if exposed to the light of day. Transparency would obliterate them from the map. This is why they meet & talk in secret. We need to put an end to them as soon as possible as they are the direct Enemy to the body of Humanity.

      Daniel Estulin, Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura, Jim Tucker, Ron Paul, Luke Rudkowski and others of similiar intent are trying to educate us to the truth. Research who these people are and what information they are providing. Then double check it for yourself if you can’t believe it. These people are TRUE Patriots and down deep in their heart…they are only trying to help save us all from these 2 factors that are keeping this world from being what it could be. Our oppressors want War here soon…they will create a false flag situation. I and others feel it. The 2012 part of the equation can’t be ignored with all their frantic efforts to covertly create underground bunkers through out our country & the rest of the world.

      My personal anger at them is only matched at my anger at the rest of us for allowing them, yes allowing them to do all of this to us to begin with. Educate your family, friends & neighbors to the truth. They may at first think your nuts but soon I feel the majority is going to see the truth due to the irrefutable facts that historic evidence provides. Not to mention following the money trail to verify these findings. Daniel Estulin & Alex Jones’ books are packed with these recorded facts. Read them & tell others the truth.

      http://www.dragonflightguild.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4874

      Above is my take on the situation. The information that I have compiled will take a great deal of time if you fully explore the various links. I’m just trying to do my part in enlightening my brothers & sisters of this world. I hope it helps some of you to at least begin to become aware of what is goin on in this world & to start asking some serious questions.

      I’m a family man w/kids and I am desperately trying to protect them and their futures. Stop believing the Main Stream Media and stop caring about Tiger Woods or Linsey Lohan’s problems…there are much BIGGER problems afoot that deserve your attention.

      Yol Bolsun, my brothers & Sisters.

  • Claire

    Personally I don’t want a draft. I simply want to bring the soldiers back home, and make sure every soldier has a good life to come back to. This war is going to drag on forever, it already is. Those people will revert back to their old ways. They have been fighting amongst themselves since the beginning of time. This war is bankrupting us, in fact, it already has. And the loss of Americans–it is not worth it. I hate war, especially wars like Viet Nam and the one we are in now. They drag on forever and for what? I say get out and take care of America first and foremost. Secure out borders, get rid of the illegals. Take care of America first and foremost.
    Now there is Iran and North Korea. Will this ever end?

  • Denniso

    Obama has said we will draw down our soldiers next year…I hope so. This war should have been over 5,6 or 7 years ago. Bush started it and committed the country to it and then let it drag on and the killing continues. Sad,and probably no good will come of all the lives and many billions spent.

  • Bob Wire

    It’s been a mess ~ and everything I every thought about it has came true.

    I wished I was wrong.

    We need to drop off the key Lee and get ourselves free!

    Just go! leave , good bye! see ya! out of here!

    • Denniso

      We also need to remember and learn from recent history…who got us into this tragedy and made it difficult to get out. George Bush,Dick Cheny,All the Repubs, and some of the Dems. Afghanistan, going on 9 yrs and counting. Iraq, more than 7 yrs and counting. Both wars ill advised,especially Iraq,which is the dumbest,uncalled for, and most harmful foreign policy decision we’ve made….on top of the initial stupidity in Iraq,Bush/Cheny handled it poorly for yrs and allowed it to worsen to become hell on earth for us and the innocent civilians.
      Bush/Cheny toppled the Taliban In Afghanistan but didn’t catch the mastermind of 9/11, Bin Ladden… then by diverting our attention and military to Iraq,allowed Afghanistan to fester and worsen and linger for these 9 yrs, the longest war in our history.

      But, hey, it’s only money and lives,right? It’ll be at least a trillion $$ for each war and probably more. Only several hundred thousand civilians dead along w/ 6000 or so Americans and 100,000 maimed for life…small price for getting Bin Ladden, oops,we didn’t get him.

  • Bob Wire

    They were saying 4 trillion a year ago ~ that included and protracted VA benefits and services.

    But failed to include out of pocket individual expenditures ~ you know a man with no legs or arms ~ is going to spend some money in places you and I won’t spend over the course of a lifetime.

    and it doesn’t include lost wages ~ broken homes etc. and the little things , like human drama, being abandoned or a burden on family’s

    Wives that break under the load and find another ~ We don’t pay the cost of that ~ soldiers do ~ alone, left to listening to the clock tick on the wall, the sun comes up, the sun goes down.

  • jeff

    this is a new time in life the slave days have been gone a long time ago it has stained the life of everyone in the world reguardless of your race.slavery has ended in the area around 1865 close to it i can say it i was not alive back then and neither has anyone else.the racial issue is only brought up when the issue at hand has no standing.i think the american peopel have passed the race issue.we have all kinds of people that have inter-racial relationships.it don’t matter the race you are its how you treat and how you are treated.
    if you are racist you don’t need to be in office.any office.reguardless of your race.the n word should not be said by noone reguardless.drop the issue.white and black and every other race we all work and socialise together.so get off the race issue.lets get on right and wrong.

  • David in Ma.

    Karolyn, leave!

  • CLARENCE SWINNEY

    throw rascals out???

    where you been?

    We did 2006 and 2008 stomped butts demolished freaknuts road them out of town on a rail sent then packing back to mental institutions stomped butts kicked tails

    evil ones cornered now their evil will show for all to observe.

    olduglymeanhonest

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