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Legal Challenge To Arizona Immigration Law Mounting

May 4, 2010 by  

Legal challenge to Arizona immigration law mountingAs the controversy surrounding the new Arizona immigration law continues, more individuals and organizations are threatening to sue the state over the provision they consider unconstitutional.

On April 29, Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF), the American Civil Liberties Union, ACLU of Arizona and the National Immigration Law Center held a news conference in Phoenix to announce a legal challenge to the recently signed SB1070.

"A vigorous and sophisticated legal challenge will be mounted, in advance of SB1070′s implementation, seeking to prevent this unconstitutional and discriminatory law from ever taking effect," said MALDEF president and general counsel Thomas A. Saenz.

The announcement came as a Tucson, Ariz. police officer Martin H. Escobar asked that local law enforcement be exempt from enforcing the new immigration law in a lawsuit filed in Federal court on April 29, according to CNN.

Escobar was quoted by the news provider as saying that the bill will "seriously impede law enforcement investigations and facilitate the successful commission of crimes."

The law’s opponents allege that by making it a state misdemeanor for foreign nationals not to register and carry their documents with them, and by allowing police to inquire as to the immigration status of persons they consider "reasonably suspicious," the law opens up doors for racial profiling of ethnic minorities. ADNFCR-1961-ID-19753798-ADNFCR

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  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    Anytime I have ever been stopped, I had to produce a license and proof of insurance. Is this that much different? As far as racial profiling goes, the police are supposed to be looking for those who meet the description of the lawbreaker, no matter what law is broken. And if they are here illegally, a law was broken. Why is that so hard to understand? Sure, it may be a hinderance to those who are here legally, but a small price to pay to rid our country of those who break our laws.

    • Peter


      The issues are subtle… For starter, Immigration is the exclusive jurisdiction of the federal government… this reason alone will invalidate certain clauses of SB 1070. The other issue is equal protection. The difficulty of enforcing the law, say, against an obvious American Citizen, versus someone who appears foreign (darker skin and/or someone who speaks with an accent) though also an American Citizen is troublesome. If the police officer relies on the skin color and/or someone who speaks with an accent to substantiate the reasonable suspicion requirement under SB 1070, then the reliance violates the equal protection clause. In short, if both people in the above example could not provide ID when stopped for say, jaywalking, and both refused to cooperate with the police, which one would the police officer detain until he could verify the citizenship status?

      • Geno W.

        Well I guess we’ll just all have to carry ID. thats not much of a problem unless your a streaker.

        • Joy

          Geno, be sure you are carrying a real ID…not a FAKE ones.
          I heard a lot of UnDocumented here in United states are buying and carrying fake ID, fake social security number and fake drivers license. Do you think the cops can determine what is fake or not? I need and answer of all these FAKES. I will be glad if they will impose the immigration law because I am sick of all these people that don’t have social security number and gets paid well and get a good treatment.

      • Steve

        Peter, The 10th Amendment describes reserved powers by the states and enforcing THEIR borders is a reserved right; especially in this case where the Federal Government (or Central as I believe it is referred to in that amendment)has failed in their responsibility that the states GRANTED them at the signing of our constitution. In my opinion…

      • marvin

        Peter you make a mute point if you have no id on you that an,t the fault of the police have i been stop yes did i like it no did i have id you bet did they let me go my way yes, my nabor works for a land scape comp ,the illegals buy a ss number from one of the other illegals, here is what i say if you come on to my property without my permission and i tell you to leave and you do not then do i not have the right to make you leave by police or other forces or is it ok with you if i just move in to your house and demand you feed me ARIZONA HAS THE RIGHT TO PROTECT IT PEOPLE BY LAW that 70% of the voters vote for this law

      • http://?? Joe H.

        I believe you are mistaken on two counts. first, They are not saying they can’t be in the United States, just the state of Arizona. Second, BOTH could be detained!! If a police officer stops you for ANY infraction of the law and asks you for I.D. and you refuse to produce it you can and in all probability WILL be detained!!!

        • Evelyn

          It is not Arizonas place to say what other states say or do. As far as this sheriff Dupnik, he’s an idiot. La Raza means race, it is a racist org., and want to take over the government and make this a communist country just like they are doing in South America. Go to U-Tube see the vedio that the media cut out. The live coverage of the protest on 5/1/10 where they are passing out flyers on a revolution against this country and put communism here. This vedio was done by M Mslkon a known author. There are also others telling what they are going to do to americans and police officer if they don’t get what they want. And no illagals do not haave constitutional rights.

      • PT

        Israel has a National ID! Why can’t the US?

      • Evelyn

        This bill mirrors the federal law. SB 1070 is very important to the majority of Arizonans. If you don’t live here it is hard to truly understand what we are going through. Please don’t believe what you here on TV about this bill read it. This bill makes it illegal to racially profile. You can not ask about citizenship without reason. And because someone is standing on the side walk is brown is not a reason. These illegals that are here are not just looking for a better life, They are dangerous and their intent is to take over this country. There are over 20 million illegals here.

        • Joy

          Yes, illegals are dangerous. They treatens you, sabotage you, molist you, they are liars and they BANKCRUPTED OUR COUNTRY and most of all they make fun of you because they think they are better than we are (AMERICANS). How I wish the immigration law in California WILL BE IMPOSED too. I hope someday they will go after the private company and find those who ARE ILLEGAL AND SEND THEM BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY. Private company don’t check backgrounds and they don’t care if you are legal or illegaL…. they hire people from AGENCY. SOME AGENCY do illegal hiring, putting visitors to work without social security number. That is so DISGUSTING AND IT IS A SLAP ON THE FACE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. Who are these people they are making fun with. WE AMERICANS. It is very sickening to see these people working without social security number and work with you and make stupid things that American citizens understand because of how we brough up and how understanding and liberated we are americans. AMERICA still strong, BRAVE, COURAGEOUS. WE SHOULD TAKE ACTIONS AGAINST VISITORS WHO ARE HERE TO WORK WITHOUT SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER. Go AMERICANS BE BRAVE!

    • laura

      R.F.A.-You are right.

    • Patty

      I wouldn’t say that it is a hinderence. The person was stopped for reason.Speeding, no lights, etc. finding the offender illegal is just one more law broken. I have been asked for my licence and insurance papers on a routine road stop to check if I have the currant stickers posted on my windshield.

  • Average Joe

    I just love all of the people screaming “Racial profiling”. Let me see if I have this right. Az. is a border state…correct?… borders…Mexico….correct? Az. has an influx of illegal aliens…..correct? So, by this reasoning, where would most of those illegals be coming from?…..I know…..they must be Canadians…yeah that’s it… or maybe Chinese….makes perfect sense to me…lmao. For those that haven’t figured it out yet…this is not racial profiling…It is called…COMMON SENSE. If asked for your ID…just show it and move on……otherwise…let us help you pack!

  • Sue

    It is the duty and the responsibility of Congress to declare war. No one else can do so. The question becomes is Congress going to declare war on illegal infiltration (whether migratory or not) or on the citizens of Arizona?

    Your time runs short, trough-feeders of Congress. The giant is awake

    Read more at the Washington Examiner:

    • eagle

      I say offer imunity to the illegals in Arizona and a bus ticket to San Fran or LA or any others that want to boycott Arizona. Sort out the criminals, give them a COLB like Obama has and send them to DC where they will be welcomed. What’s the problem.

    • DaveH

      It’s so funny to me that the Democrats have been trying for decades to force a National ID on us, yet when Arizona passes a law to allow police to check IDs, the Liberals come unglued. Why aren’t you Liberals challenging the Patriot Act in court? It is a lot more intrusive than getting pulled over and asked for ID. So is the Healthcare Bill, yet the Liberals championed that.
      Personally, I would like to see it made easier for people to immigrate legally. But as long as those rules exist they should be enforced.

      • laura

        D.H.-good point about the national id.
        where are the libs on that one huh?????

        GOD BLESS

      • JeffH

        DaveH, well said. It just isn’t as complicated as the politics involved make it.
        The I.D. issue some are going crazy about is pretty simple. Carry a state issued ID or your legal immigration paperwork and one doesn’t have to worry about it. The only “National ID” idea comes from our Federal Government. That is a totally differant issue.

  • June

    That they would be ‘constitutionally’ challanged is unbelievable. Obama et al have totally ignored our Constitutional rights, and when a state finally has the courage to do what should have been done decades ago, they come under the gun. What’s sauce for the goose is also sauce for the gander…so to speak.

    Isaac Newton’s Law of Motion – ‘for every action, there is an equal, but opposite, reaction. For every illegal that come INTO this Country, they should taken OUT OF this Country.

  • marvin

    in nov 2010 i say that any pollcat i ment public offical that come out aginest the arizona law and for illegals need be unemployed by jan 2011 some will have to wait tell 2012 like obama holder clinton nepolitano and all the czars that are trying to undermine this country ever time obama opens his mouth he puts in foot same thing with holder and reno i ment nepolitano if they were to go out in the rain they would drown for having there nose up in the air they do not have the sence of a two day old there idea is if it an,t good for the obama bunch it an,t good for anyone and illegals are good for o misguided one the king of spen the master of the poor and handouts

  • Palin12

    I am planning a trip to Tuscon next month. Don’t worry about Frisco boycotting Arizona, others of us will counter it.

  • Ben England

    What is the problem with enforcing the federal laws tha the gov’t wont.
    I live in Illinois and back the Arizona law totally. I think the only ones that are against it are those of Mexican heritage and the criminals themselves the illegals. I would back it here in Illinois, if someone had the backbone to institute it.

  • Palin12

    I would not mind in the least if the police in my city stopped me to ask for ID at any time. I have nothing to hide and I would thank the officers for their service.

  • marvin

    am liberal you idiot were are you

  • JeffH

    Perhaps the wisest thing America can do is to “adopt” the Mexican government’s immigration laws as our own.

    • laura

      J.H.-they’d all be screaming then now wouldn’t they!!!


  • Jim H.

    When I applied for a job driving a school bus, I had to show a birth certificate, or SS card. I was finger printed and went through a criminal back ground check. If I want to write a check at Wal-Mart, I need to show ID. I’ve been asked to show ID at the bank I’ve been banking at for 45 years. I was BORN here. Now we are going to say that having an immigrant have to show ID is like living in a POLICE STATE? Who are the people that cause things to get this far? Apathetic politicians and the criminals that snuck in ILLEGALLY in the first place. All the Mexican Immigrants and 2nd& 3rd generations of Mexican decent resent the ILLEGALS because they went in the right way and don’t like that the others didn’t.

  • ABinGA

    Or do like “Ike” did. Didn’t he place American troops on the border? I think he even went so far as shipping the illegals to southern part of Mexico not just pushing them back across the border. JeffH- correct me if I’m wrong here.

    • JeffH


      How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico



      .By John Dillin / July 6, 2006

      George W. Bush isn’t the first Republican president to face a full-blown immigration crisis on the US-Mexican border.

      Fifty-three years ago, when newly elected Dwight Eisenhower moved into the White House, America’s southern frontier was as porous as a spaghetti sieve. As many as 3 million illegal migrants had walked and waded northward over a period of several years for jobs in California, Arizona, Texas, and points beyond.

      President Eisenhower cut off this illegal traffic. He did it quickly and decisively with only 1,075 United States Border Patrol agents – less than one-tenth of today’s force. The operation is still highly praised among veterans of the Border Patrol.
      Years later, the late Herbert Brownell Jr., Eisenhower’s first attorney general, said in an interview with this writer that the president had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration when he took office.

      America “was faced with a breakdown in law enforcement on a very large scale,” Mr. Brownell said. “When I say large scale, I mean hundreds of thousands were coming in from Mexico [every year] without restraint.”
      Bill Chambers, who worked for a combined 33 years for the Border Patrol and the then-called US Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), says politically powerful people are still fueling the flow of illegals.

      During the 1950s, however, this “Good Old Boy” system changed under Eisenhower – if only for about 10 years.

      In 1954, Ike appointed retired Gen. Joseph “Jumpin’ Joe” Swing, a former West Point classmate and veteran of the 101st Airborne, as the new INS commissioner.

      Influential politicians, including Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D) of Texas and Sen. Pat McCarran (D) of Nevada, favored open borders, and were dead set against strong border enforcement, Brownell said. But General Swing’s close connections to the president shielded him – and the Border Patrol – from meddling by powerful political and corporate interests.

    • Meteorlady

      He deported 8 million illegals in less than two years. He did it mostly to get American jobs back for Americans and in order to enforce the “rule of law” in this country.

  • Jack Riedel

    Letter to Pres Obama
    President Obama, 02 May 2010
    Dear Sir:
    I would like to present my thoughts on the situation in which the great State of Arizona now finds itself. Arizona legislators and State officials responded to their CITIZENS’ cries for help regarding the actions of illegal alien immigrants. These illegals are perpetrating a murderous trans-border crime wave which is threatening the safety of a broad sector of the populace of Arizona.
    The State Legislators, Law Enforcement and safety officials drafted a law that directed police officers to arrest illegal immigrants when apprehended. Arizona’s courageous governor, Jan Brewer, signed the bill into Law.
    Be it local, state or federal government, it is the government’s duty to enforce the laws of the land and protect the lives and property of its citizens. The Federal government has clearly ignored this duty in the past and continues to ignore the current illegal alien immigrant problem. Arizona’s passage of such a law is a loud and clear SCREAM for help!
    President Obama, you responded to that scream for help by sneeringly chastising the people and government of Arizona for acting in racial intolerance. RACIAL INTOLERANCE? RACIAL INTOLERANCE? What about protecting AMERICAN CITIZENS, MR. OBAMA? You too, Ms. Director Napolitano of the HSA? And let’s not forget our esteemed Attorney General, Mr. Holder. The whole lot of you has done nothing to help the situation. You, collectively, have stirred up the wrath of the radical Left and viciously attacked the CITIZENS of Arizona for their attempt to defend their own lives and property. You claim they are not politically correct and are intolerant of the POOR illegal aliens. SHAME ON YOU! SHAME ON ALL OF YOU! You all sit in Washington and ignore the situation while illegal aliens wage WAR against our citizens on our own soil!
    Mr. Obama, I consider your administration to be incompetent, self-serving and willing to blatantly ignore the desires of the United States citizens who believed in your Hope and Change promises. Sir, your “CHANGES” are rapidly diminishing our country’s ability to survive as a FREE Republic.
    We voters will deal with you and your sycophants in November, Mr. Obama.
    John H. Riedel, SMSgt, USAF (Ret)
    12022 Pine Court

  • vikki

    Right On to Az…it’an Federal law, and what gives the “Illegals” the right to think that they are above the law??? In fact what part of the word “ILLEGAL” do you not understand?????? I am required by law to produce car insurance and DL and if i don’t drive a ID….nothing out of the ordinary, so i back up AZ….

  • s c

    There are at least two issues that need to be stressed in this Trojan Horse media event. First, the state of Arizona must make it clear that border states are being forced to protect themselves against a) an indifferent government in Washington and b) a steady influx of CRIMINALS. Second, Washington needs to be seen by the public as indifferent and not but motivated to enforce illegal immigrant laws that already exist.
    Washington politicians would rather protect criminal behavior than enforce existing laws, and that means it is willingly acting in defiance of the Constitution.
    Arizona is not the only state affected in this matter. Because Washington’s indifference will affect every state, Washington and its incompetent
    “leaders” must be singled out and driven out of office.
    When citizens can’t tell the difference between criminals and elected officials, the states are allowed to do what they must to insure that its citizens are safe. Let America’s social engineers and its elected criminals howl at the moon. The people are not being protected. Enforce the laws and preserve the Constitution.
    As long as a sitting prez will not discharge his constitutional duties, then he is as guilty as those who try to enter America illegally.

  • Phoenix

    All of this debate and stupid questioning of a law which parrots the Federal Law? Seems to be we have a bunch of folks who just as a child does when they don’t want to do something, rebels. Just let one of those individuals who represents socialistic views of “let others work so we don’t have’ be affected by an illegal commiting or continuing the crime of identity theft — then they will sing a different tune. If you ain’t been affected, then you should keep your nose out of the business of judging whether others need protection by such laws as AZ 1070. I wonder also how many individuals on the payroll of the AZ ACLU are here using others identity?

  • JC

    The powers that be are trying to force illegal immigration down our throats. They want one world government and dissolving the border is a step in that direction. Which is why there is much posturing and false promises are being made about curbing illegal immigration coming from DC. They have no intention of ever doing anything about it.
    So when the states decide to protect themselves the Feds begin their attack using false information and the lap dog media.
    Thes Illegal immigrants have no Constitutional rights…None!
    They are criminals and so are the politicians who wilfully allow the deterioration of US soveriegnty.
    Ship out the former and vote out the latter.

  • bbstacker

    Robin and SC have it right! This is about ILLEGAL! I dare any U.S. citizen opponent of Arizona’s right to defend it’s borders to go stand in the street of any Mexican town and jump up and down, shake your fist and carry a U.S. Flag in demand of your citizenship in Mexico…see how far that gets you.

  • Susan

    Last time I saw a poll there was about 80% of the people agreed with AZ law. Why is it that a lousy 20% keep on threatening AZ. When we as American’s demand them to shut up and sit down. AZ has every right to protect its people. What they need to do is have a vote across America, and whatever the vote is is law. I am sick to death of our federal government doing absolutely nothing, but sit on their fat butts. Good Lord, how hard is it to help AZ or the whole country. Taking care of these people is not out job. And taxpaters are sick of it.

  • Independent

    Sheriff Clarence Dupnik of Pima County AZ said “It’s stupid, and it’s racist, from my point of view. It’s a national embarrassment.” Drop him a line and let him know he is an embarrassment to law enforcement and to the USA. Dupnik—Isn’t that Russian for “Dumb Sucker.”

  • JGR from Merritt

    What about native americans, they may not be citizens are they suspect? They’ve been Arizona since before Columbus and the United States was even thought about.

  • home boy

    this all comes down to getting more votes for the politicians.they know how the latin people vote and they are willing to risk peoples lives to get these votes. we live in a world that is controlled by satan and the sooner people realize that he is in control the sooner they can help themselves thru prayer to god for help.

  • James

    The MALDEF challenge that Arizona’s law is unconstitutional is constitutional ignorance at its best. All the 14th Amendment says is that “No State shall…deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” All that says is that no state may imprison a person, or take his life or property without due process of law, which means that, by due process of law, it may do such things, as long as they apply their laws equally.

  • J.M.R.


  • spoonerist

    I have not yet read the legislation. As usual, the mainstream media have not done a good job of explaining the important details. So, at this point, I am not sure of whether this is good law, or very bad law. It is good if it helps enforce existing valid immigration laws without resulting in any bad unintended consequences, and without opening doors for further repression of freedom by the establishment. It is very bad if it adds to the decline in individual freedom and continues the destruction of the Constitution.

    Most states make it a crime to falsely identify oneself to police authority. This is usually only pertinent when there is some connection (suspect, witness,victim, etc) to a crime or suspected crime being investigated. There is no specific or absolute provision for printed identification. Verbal identification fills the requirement. For example, if one witnesses an automobile accident, police will record information about the accident from a witness. It makes sense to record the name and contact information of that witness. But that witness has no legal or other obligation to produce printed identification (driving license, photo “ID:, etc.). We are, and SHOULD ALWAYS BE, free to walk the streets of any city with nothing on our bodies except the clothes that protect other persons’ privacy from being invountarily invaded by our privacy (nakedness). Nobody should be compelled to carry “their papers” in a free country. Verbal identification should not include such crap as Social Security number, fingerprints, etc. Many police departments today have a policy of recording the Social Security number of a person who seeks help, such as filing a report of a simple theft. This is unconstitutional and will lead to increased tyranny. You should not carry a Social Security card, should not memorize the number, should use it only in banking/investing/taxing situations (NOTHING ELSE!), and decline to give it on any police report or ever as a means of identification. Don’t let the Communists/Nazis end up having the last laugh on us.

    So that’s where it stands. If the new Arizona law helps to properly enforce proper existing immigration laws without violating the above principles, then it is probably good. But if it further intrudes on individaul freedom by further pushing the envelope on violating those freedoms, then it is VERY BAD.

  • Marilyn

    It is time a contingent of Americans goes to the FBI under the freedom act of information and get the numbers of American deaths for the last three years other than the drug cartell. It will blow your mind. That is the time the Democratic liberal party has been in power. Two former FBI agents mentioned it on the air more than a year ago, and it numbers into the thousands. We need to add these people who admittingly live in fear due to the deaths of their loved ones, to our marches and make sure America sees the violence on our own soil by the illegal aliens.

  • http://none DLM

    We see hundreds of Mexicans on TV “demonstrating” in the streets. Smearing refried beans on buildings and throwing bottles at police. Are these the illegal Mexicans who came here looking for work and a better life.. or just the criminal minded aliens that commit the crimes, rape and murder? It seems to me that while they’re all rounded up we should call in the National Guard and herd this mass of obscenity into cattle trucks, drive them down to Mexico and dump them out. Since our “leaders” don’t understand the meaning of illegal either, load them up too and dump ‘em.

  • Meteorlady

    Funny – now we will be inundated with stories of separating families like 60 minutes just did last week. a German immigrant married an illegal, had a child and he got picked up and deported. He died thing to cross the All American Canal so we were all supposed to feel sorry for him. One question I would have liked them to ask the widow is why she didn’t take her child and return to Mexico with her husband? I would have, but them I am a responsible person who obeys the laws of this country. Now she’s there trying to get safety measure in place to save people from dying while trying to cross into the US illegal by using the canal. Maybe she would like to see a ferry for them? Not sure, but the canal is unsafe, has posted messages up and down it’s length and Americans do not die using it for recreation of any other activity.

  • Michelle

    Federal laws require immigrants to carry identification. Arizona law does not change any federal laws. The law only grants law enforcement the ability to ask for immigration status or a passport when someone has been stopped for another violation. They CANNOT stop just anyone! All the hype against the bill is to remove states rights, keep the border open and grant amnesty to all illegals in the country and continue to do so.

  • http://aol wayne a

    spoonerist,this a good,much needed law since the congress is so afraid to protect our borders because they will lose votes.under the they can not stop a person or car just because they think they might be illegal.the police have to have a primary reason to stop them such as speeding,running a light or if they match the description of a robber.after stopping them for another reason then they can ask for proof of citizenship,legality,etc.really nothing different than what happens everytime me or you gets pulled over,first thing we have to do is show an ID

  • marvin

    spoonerist the arizona law mirrors federal law it just gives state and local enforcment to do what the federal goverment refuses to do on the ss number it is not a id number it is aginest the federal law to ask for it for any thing other then employment or matter relating to ss and one more point if you leave home with out id and something happens like you get hurt you are taken to the hospital with no id the doctors don,t have any idea who to call or what to give you my point being if you choose to not carry id and have an accident and they do happen ever day you could die but that is up to you

  • Average Joe

    My recommendation for immigration reform:


    I say let anyone into to this country that wants in, With these stipulations:
    You do not have a criminal conviction in any other country’
    You provide two medical reports done at not more than 6 month intervals and within a year before the time of application for entry into the U.S.showing that you are disease free (HIV, Hep, etc.)
    You come here on a five year permit.During your “Permitted” time you will:
    Register for a Social Security Card and have your card before you may work here.
    During the time your permit is valid, you will submit to double the normal rate for SSI payments
    Any children born to you while you are still on a valid permit will not automatically become a citizen of this nation. They have the same status as their parents (temporary, until all requirements of the parents is met for citizenship).
    You will not be permitted welfare. It is not a option don’t ask.

    During the time your permit is valid, you will : Learn to speak english, Use it in everyday life. You must become fluent. If you come here, do not expect us to learn your language in order to communicate. English is spoken here!
    While I understand the diversity of cultures in this country The nation was founded by the British Colonists as such, the official language is English.If you want to keep your cultural language alive, that is fine, but you left your country and now you are here, so when in public, Speak English..
    Let’s all have at least one thing in common….One Language…English!
    You will learn the history and Constitution not only of the nation, but also of the state where you live.
    You will submit to a test to validate that you know these things and you will then be sworn in by your oath as a citizen.
    Failure to attain Citizenship within the five year permit time, revokes the permit and you return to your country of origin, no sad tales, no excuses. Your stay here is over and you may not apply again for five years.
    Anyone caught in the country without the valid permit to be here will be jailed for a period of one year first offence 5 years for any subsquent offense. Also, while incarcerated inmates will have no recreational equipment,TV’s etc….eats and sleeps nothing more. While incarcerated, all inmates will work 10 hour days 6 days a week in a variety of jobs, from gardening, raising pigs and cattle as well as making license plates. This way the citizens don’t have to support them.Prisons are for punishment, why should we support you? Don’t complain if you end up there. The gardens ,cattle , pigs ect. will be used to both feed you and to clothe you (any excess will be sold to the local community at a fair market value, which will in turn clothe you).Once in one of our prisons, any violations of law will be dealt with according to the crime(but, I see a lot of people in good old fashioned stocks and pillory, as well as the good old fashion public floggings).

  • thetruthisabitch

    I guess the only thing left to do is to take the law in your own hands and give the illegals a bus ticket to New Mexico or any other state that advocates for the illegals. It would be cheaper then paying
    for their medical and or dental. Even a bus ticket to DC would be better then keeping them in AZ. See how long before they change their tune about rights for the Mexicans. California is broke, NM is having to cut in a lot of areas, and it all boils down to not just Mexicans, But many welfare people who have made it a “life style” to live off of the government.Lets send our welfare people and our criminals to Mexico and seal our boarders once and for all.

  • laura

    It just blows my mind that there is even an issue with Arizona.
    They’re keeping with the law!! The Constitution is the foundation for Americans not illegals who come here illegally.
    Escober should be fired for no enforcing the law he is paid to uphold.
    The MALDEF AND ACLU are nothing more than trouble makers who love to usurp the law, in this case Federal Law that other states won’t stand up and enforce.These states AND their statesmen should enforce these immigration laws as well,or be fired.
    If all the illegals where forced to leave, thousands of new jobs all over the U.S. would open up for U.S. citizens.
    And as far as illegals’ babies born in the U.S. and their child automatically becoming U.S. citizens, that is one of the most absurd law ever written.
    Send ALL illegals back to their country, if it happens to be Mexico they should start their own revolution(like we did)not come here and take our jobs,get on welfare,commit awful crimes(like shooting border patrol officers). America can’t afford to turn a blind eye any longer.


  • laura

    michelle- am I hearing you right “amnesty to all illegals” what does that say for the law??? IT SPITS ON THE LAW!!! Should we let all the murders and rapists out of jail too!?!?!
    When people break the law they go to jail,they don’t get a tax payer “night on the town”.
    When illegals come here without going though the legal channels and obtaining the proper papers that is breaking the law. PLEASE TELL ME WHY THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN AMNESTY???


  • marvin

    michelle i am a 60 plus white man with no criminal record i do not drink or do drugs i have been driving for about 50 years i try not to speed and stop at all trafic signs i have been stop for walking down the street on a cops idea i may look supect and ask for id i have had a dri lic from the time was 16 and never been revoked i have been pulled over and asked some of the stupidest ques that had nothing to do with why i was stopped so my point being if you go out of the house without id it is your fault we have a law here in alabama were the law can put up road blocks and stop you for no reason but to check your papers and if you do not show them they can impound your car and possibly you to, do i think stuped goverment offical like c rangel and obama and more of the left liberal need get on tv and encourage illegals that have no rights to demand ,you can bet that holder and nepalitano have under cover agents at the tea party rallys but it is ok that crooks and illegals can have rallys and demand rights they don,t have , arizona has a legal and morel right to enforce it laws and protect in people we can not servive as a nation by giving right to people that are here illegally and the only rights they have is arrest detain deport


    The preservation of our founding documents, . . “OUR” BILL OF RIGHTS and “OUR” CONSTITUTION is the most important challenge ever to confront the American { Home Grown } people !!! . . For if we fail to maintain this foundation we CANNOT possibly keep our nation intact as a “FREE DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC” ! . . People from foriegn nations who have not entered our nation illegally and who are PROTESTING against us are CRIMINALS under our law and should not only be prosecuted under “OUR LAWS” but also DEPORTED under “OUR LAWS” !!! . . .
    It is not the business of CRIMINALS to dictate to us how we function as a sovereign Nation which was created to escape from TYRANNY !!! . . .
    WE WILL NOT BEND AND BOW TO DICTATORSHIP from any source OR people whatsoever !!!
    If you do not reside in the U.S. as a permanent and LEGAL resident, .
    BUTT OUT . . and . . GET OUT !!! . . . GRACIAS !

  • Bill


  • Patty

    The congress poeple who encourage and assist the ILLEGALS should be charged with “AIDING & ABETTING” a crime.

  • laura



    and GOD BLESS the Law

  • TC

    I also couldn’t agree more! Very well said!

  • http://aol wayne a

    joe i agree with everything you say but starting now,not making it retro for the 15-20 million illegals thats already here.they have already broke at least one of our laws so they’re already criminals.

  • laura

    A.J.-You make some really good points. The only thing I would change is, the prison example. I would say deport them and they too could apply for citizenship in 5 years, but that would also mean they would have a criminal record in the States so that means no entry what so ever after being caught (even once) illegally coming into our country.

    And it should be retro no alien should be given amnesty.


  • Bill

    Arizona bill SB 1070 is pretty much a mirror image of the Federal Law already in the books on Immigration. It only adds that Police Officers also have the right now to question your legallity here. Its a good law and meant to help Americans regardless of Race.
    E Verify can find out if the ID is real also. Many many illegals here now are using info (SSN, address, etc.) that they get from records of Dead people.
    My advice is “don’t break any local law while here illegally and you probably won’t be bothered. Also, learn English, its a dead give-away when you can’t answer in English.

  • laura

    I believe I read your post wrong!! I am sorry !!!

  • http://naver samurai

    Amnesty? Are you crazy? I say if you have a legit passport, visa, and other documents you are welcome to stay. Anyone else can go back to where they came from.

  • Amy

    How can there be a LEGAL challenge to ILLEGAL immigration? It is beyond comprehension. How do they even have supporters and money for attorneys? How are they rallying in the streets? I am all for immigration, but there are rules and procedures for these things. For every ILLEGAL immigrant, there is a person out there trying to LAWFULLY come to the United States, and we have to be more stringent about allowing people over legally because of all the illegal ones. Why do we always punish those who are trying to do things properly? It’s the old – ask forgiveness, not permission, and it shouldn’t fly.

  • Average Joe

    wayne a says:
    I bet it was the stocks,pillory and public floggings that got your attention…lol..Just kidding of course.
    I do not believe that changes to any law should be made retroactive…it was against the law when someone did it….it doesn’t mean that if the law changes tomorrow…it is excusable (while I agree that the punishment should be less severe if the laws were to change while awaiting trial… but the bottom line is…illegal IS still illegal).

  • marvin

    amy they don,t but la raza the aclu the isu the liberal in congress your a g holder the sec of home land sec nepolitano they love poor uneducated illegals they work cheap and vote dem they the liberals will bankrup the country but they stay in power, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutly so vote the bums out in nov 2010

  • chuck b

    the only way we can stop this invasion is to immediately close the border to all immigration legal or otherwise. then we should clean up our voting precincts, every voter should be identifiied and cleared, and fingerprinted/photo. the voting system is the most corrupt operation going now and we will never remove these marxist politicians with the status quo. acorn is going strong and the media is their lap dog.

  • chuck b

    someone on the radio this morning said: arizona should start loading illegals on the bus and send them to the sanctuary city of san francisco, this is a great idea, by all means do it. sf and the immediate area is not unlike the sodom and gomorrah of bibical legend.

  • eugene

    i do believe the true american citizens of arizona have spoken now lets see if the obama rigime will back the american citizens or turn there back on them. this country has rules just like any other country they need to be followed if we expect to survive by everyone no exceptions allowed. the american people have allowed this to spew over into a major problem now it has become a political voting scheme. this is the unitedstates of america let us live by our rules that our forefathers crafted. if we choose otherwise our freedom and honor will be forever gone there will be no difference from the usa or mexico. the obama rigime needs to be held accountable and responsible for there action. after all the federal governing body is responsible to protect the borders of the united states of america. its time for an honest election in this country lets not let an outside country determine our destiny.

  • SEAN

    “its not only whites that support this law.its us blacks as well so stop making it a race issue bottom line your people wore they welcome out… this law will not be overturned sorry.i read the sb 1070 bill and the constitution and wow whoever put this bill together they did it very carefully and left no room for an era margin.this is not a new law if people was to read they will see that this law was put into the constitution over 70 years ago the law on immigration just havent been enforced in the land.


  • ABinGA

    I think it was in California over the week end that some held a a rally (with out a permit) and about fifteen businesses were vandalized. I heard there was only one arrest though more are expected after watching video surveilance. My question is, if they did have a permit as required weren’t they all breaking the law? I wonder how many out of the estimated 250 protesters were here legally? Any one out there with any info on this one?

  • ABinGA

    JeffH that would really get them hollering if we did “adopt” Mexico’s immigration laws, wouldn’t it.

  • Meteorlady

    I support them completely. Illegal is illegal.
    Here’s an article you might want to read:

    Border disorder
    Mexico: the real war next door
    April 29, 2010

    South of the border, down Mexico way, a new and savage revolution rages just beyond our inspection lanes. After less than five years of fighting, estimates of the dead have reached 22,000.

    The rate of killing accelerates each month. And Washington covers its eyes like a kid at a scary movie. Well, the Mexican narco-insurgency, in which well-armed guerrilla forces confront the authority and presence of the state, is our No. 1 security challenge.

    The chaos in northern Mexico has far deeper implications for our country than Islamist terror or even an Iranian nuclear capability (as grim as those threats are).

    The rule of law has collapsed from Tijuana on the Pacific’s edge to Matamoros and the Gulf of Mexico. Major cities are now “ungoverned spaces,” as our diplomats refer tidily to distant trouble spots.

    More people now die violently on our southern border than in Somalia, Yemen or even Afghanistan. But Washington doesn’t know what to do about Mexico. So Washington does nothing much.

    Our ruling class simply doesn’t feel the pain. So the DC elite demonizes Arizona’s desperate effort to shove the narco-revolution’s disorder back across the border. Murdered ranchers, overwhelmed emergency rooms and soaring crime rates in our border states mean less to the White House than a terrorist detainee’s claims of abuse. Our governing elite pretends that illegal immigration, torrential crime where illegals cluster, overcrowded prisons, Mexico’s narco-insurgency, legal cross-border commerce and the drug trade are separate issues, to be addressed discreetly.

    But these issues are all interwoven with the Mexican government’s existential crisis. Drug wealth fuels criminal empires. Those narco-empires are now so powerful that they’ve risen against the state. Human trafficking is a useful sideline for drug lords. And illegal immigration drives crime rates in bankruptcy-threatened US cities and states.

    Cross-border trade’s the next target. Narco-insurgents now feel sufficiently confident to attack Mexican army installations and US consulates. The maquiladoras, those thousands of assembly plants along the border, won’t escape the mayhem. Given their enormous contribution to Mexico’s fiscal stability and employment rates, those plants are obvious targets as the narco-challenge to the state intensifies.

    Mexican journalists, too, have been killed by the hundreds. Their torture and execution doesn’t generate much excitement north of the border, though. It’s their bad luck to be butchered by Mexican narcos. Had they been killed accidentally by US forces in Iraq or Afghanistan, they’d be famous martyrs.

    And Arizona’s “discriminatory” new state law empowering police to pursue criminal aliens? Should Phoenix let the rule of law collapse because Washington prefers political correctness to public safety? In DC, it’s about politics. In Arizona, it’s about survival.

    It bewilders me that my fellow citizens don’t take the disintegration of government authority in northern Mexico seriously. As I’ve written repeatedly, no country is more important to us socially, economically and security-wise than Mexico. Afghanistan’s fluff by comparison.

    Precisely 100 years ago, in 1910, the Mexican Revolution erupted in northern Mexico — already the most prosperous and industrially developed portion of the country. That revolution lasted a bloody, destructive decade.

    It wasn’t the bandido affair beloved of Hollywood knuckleheads, but a complex contest for power with large armies, strategic campaigns, major battles, trench warfare, barbed wire and machine guns. In 1915, the military vision of the self-taught Gen. Alvaro Obregon — destined to become Mexico’s president — was more sophisticated than that of the US Army. Mexico pioneered the 20th century’s revolutions.

    Since then, northern Mexico — from the border cities southward through the industrial powerhouse of Monterrey — has continued to be the country’s primary agent of change. Influenced by its proximity to America, the north long has been a different country from the impoverished states south of the capital.

    Now a new Mexican revolution is underway in the vital north. In 1910, idealists struggled to change an autocratic regime. In 2010, criminal syndicates fight to wrest power from a democratic government and to grab market share from each other.

    (In an eerie parallel, a bloody strike in the northern mining center of Cananea helped ignite the 1910 revolution; today, a three-year-long strike in Cananea by mining and metal workers signals a new generation’s impatience with the status quo — and we’re just not paying attention.)

    During that earlier revolution, the citizens of El Paso, Texas, and Douglas, Arizona, gathered to watch the battles just across the border as Pancho Villa’s troops drove out the Federals, then as the Constitutionalists defeated Villa. Those spectators were confident in their immunity as American citizens.

    We’re no longer immune.

    Ralph Peters’ latest book is “Endless War.”

  • http://?? Joe H.

    The biggest laugh is shakira, the singer from Columbia. Here she’s from the biggest drug nation in the world, that the drug kings have been known to destroy more farmers and normal people and she is trying to tell us how to run OUR country?!?!?!? Let her go home and spend her time trying to improve the conditions in her OWN country!!!
    I used to like Gloria Estefan’s music but now I wouldn’t pay 2 cents for her CD’s!!!!!

  • http://?? Joe H.


  • Stephen Russell

    All Ive heard is that the AZ law is within the Federal law.
    They have no way unless Obama overturns the law.
    & Arizona & (others) wont stand for it.
    Kudos to AZ.

  • ABinGA

    Since Perdue will not do anything in GA I’m glad to see Nathan Deal running this time around for Governor of GA and wanting to do the same as AZ.

  • PT

    If the US gommit would jail the the employers for some serious offense … aiding and a betting a criminal … most probably there is a conspiracy involved and that makes the individual or company an ongoing criminal enterprise!

    The illegal immigraation would solve it’s self!

    The cost of the incarciration of criminal employers could be paid from fines collected …

  • Susan

    Great idea, but go a step further and stop all aid to illegals also.

  • laura

    PT-I say just fine them, $10,000 per alien, that’s enough to cart them back over the border and make a little money for the hassle of doing it, no jail time it costs you and I to much.


  • laura

    JOE-I know nothing of shikira. It doesn’t surprise me that so many foreigners believe they are experts on our laws, or what our laws should be, or represent.I like Gloria though, has she spoken on the subject?

  • Average Joe

    laura says:
    May 4, 2010 at 10:52 am,

    The whole idea for prison sentences is to give consequences for ones actions….if you come here illegally…you are breaking the law…you go to jail….if that also stops you from ever becomming a U.S. citizen then maybe you will think twice about breaking the law in the first place…simply “deporting” them really has no effect…they just keep comming back again and again…there must be a determent to make them want to change thier behavior and enter this country…lawfully.

  • Average Joe

    And it should be retro no alien should be given amnesty.

    No it should not be made “retro”…nor should there be Amnesty…for those in this nation illegally, I would give them 90 days to leave the country…after that…..they are breaking the law and should be arrested…tried…and incarcerated.

  • Meteorlady

    We do not let convicted felons enter this country legally. We have laws to fine employers, we have laws to send illegals to prison after the second time they are caught but there are so many we don’t have the space or money to incarcerate them. What we need to do is seal our borders and then tackle sending the illegals home. They should have to get in line like everyone else that respects our laws. They do not deserve to shove a person out of line to get what they want and they have no right to demonstrate in my country because they have no rights here as a criminal.

  • George E

    Here is an interesting and informative article I found which gives a lot of background and facts related to immigration. It seems fairly objective and non-partisan to me. I hope it helps you understand this issue better as well.

  • [PugMan]

    The US constitution assigns responsibility to the POTUS to prevent invasions. And that is what we have on the southern border.
    If he will not secure the border, why bother with all the requirements to have Visas, Id etc. for air travel? What a wasted effort.

  • Meteorlady

    The vocal minority is always spotlighted in the news.

  • Palin12

    Happy Cinco de Mayo, now go home illegals!

  • Meteorlady

    So with that posted – it’s coming to a city near you shortly.

  • Meteorlady

    I think sending them to New Mexico is a good idea since their governor Richardson is so again the AZ law. How long does he believe the people in his state can support all the illegals, lost jobs, healthcare fraud, and criminal activities.

    This law was a cry for help by every citizen in Arizona that believed they lived in a country of laws that were enforced as laws.

  • ABinGA

    JeffH-Thanks for the link

  • vikki



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