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Lawyerball: The First Thing We Do

June 26, 2012 by  

Lawyerball: The First Thing We Do
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Elizabeth Lloyd is seeking $150,000 in damages after being hit by a baseball.

Two years ago, a woman named Elizabeth Lloyd sat down at a picnic table next to a Little League field in Manchester Township, N.J. Not long after, an 11-year-old catcher named Matthew Migliaco began warming up a pitcher in the bullpen next to Lloyd. And then, tragedy struck. Well, perhaps not tragedy. Tragedy implies human suffering on a grand scale. Had young Master Migliaco suddenly fired a rocket-propelled grenade at Lloyd, that would have been tragic. If the young backstopper had lept the fence with a bat and set to Lloyd the way Trayvon Martin — ahem, allegedly — set to George Zimmerman, that would have been tragic. No, what happened was purely an accident. An errant toss by Matthew hit Lloyd. Oops! A bad throw by an 11-year old. Bummer. The normal response would likely entail wincing, spitting out a stream of verbiage one would normally want to keep from using next to a Little League baseball field, an angry return throw and then a trip home to put a bag of frozen peas on the affected area.

But Lloyd is one of an increasingly large number of Americans who thumb their rhetorical noses at “normal” on their way to the courtroom. Two years after Matthew accidentally hit her, Lloyd and her husband are demanding $150,000 for medical costs and punitive remuneration for pain, suffering and something her husband, a party to the suit, calls a loss of “services, society and consortium.” I’m no lawyer, but I’m going to guess that means Lloyd, once viewed by her husband as the Gisele Bundchen to his Tom Brady, is now less appealing to him than a week at a nudist colony with Roseanne Barr.

Lloyd took a baseball in the kisser while sitting next to a baseball field in use by a group of 10- and 11-year-old baseball players. As anyone who’s watched The Bad News Bears is already aware, 10- and 11-year-old baseball players tend not to possess the talent — much less the aim — of Derek Jeter. Therefore, sitting next to a field on which a game between two teams loaded with the best talent the local plumbing-supply house can sponsor would carry with it what one lawyer friend of mine described as “an assumption of risk.”

Yet Lloyd believes Matthew targeted her with the malice of Randy Johnson staring down a rookie who’s crowding the plate, and she and her husband managed to find a lawyer willing to charge the proverbial mound. Their attorney is the kind of roach-with-a-briefcase who illuminates the reasoning behind Shakespeare’s famous line from Henry VI, Part II, Act IV, scene ii: “The first thing we do is kill all the lawyers.” The Lloyds’ lawyer is merely the latest in a long line of ambulance chasers who tear this country apart bit by bit — another galling example of the parasites who ply the emergency rooms and emblazon bus stop benches and phone book covers with their grinning mugs, looking for their next slip-and-fall payday.

These are the foot soldiers in the liberal campaign to turn us into a Nation of squabbling twerps who can turn even the most innocent mishap into a battle royale of mistrust, resentment and recrimination. While the Lloyds’ decision to abduct Matthew’s innocence and dump it in a ditch is appalling, it’s hardly isolated. Of course, the granddaddy of all idiotic lawsuits would be the infamous case in which a woman sued McDonald’s after she spilled hot coffee in her lap and burned herself. That she won close to $3 million is testament only to the perverse courtroom skills of her attorney and the frighteningly high number of exceptionally stupid people in the jury pool. Perhaps the most famous of the practitioners of this sort of law would be former Democratic Vice Presidential nominee John Edwards, who made an estimated $50 million pile while convincing juries to reward his clients for all manner of questionable ills.

And the Lloyds’ lawyer, much like Edwards and the rest of their legal-beagling siblings, are sucking the life out of us all. When someone takes the case of Lloyd vs. Migliaco, America’s Pastime, et al., a little of the joy in all of us dies. Baseball fields get shrouded in protective rubber matting to protect picknickers. Then the players themselves get wrapped in the stuff as well. Baseball begins to (as an 11-year-old might put it): “like, totally suck big time.” They go home and play Xbox all day. They get fat, and then their parents sue Microsoft for making the Xbox. Little League folds, and the commissioner gets so upset that he spills his coffee in his lap and burns himself. He sues McDonald’s, and the cycle continues.

Someone sits down next to a Little League field, gets hit by a baseball and sues the ballplayer. Someone else spills hot coffee in his lap and sues McDonald’s. Someone else slips in your driveway and sues you, the driveway contractor and anyone else their attorney can hit with a tsunami of paper.

Don’t mistake my intent. I would part with The Bard and acknowledge that not all lawyers need killin’. Beyond the defenders of decency in the civil courtrooms, our justice system needs someone to stand up for society in the criminal docket as well. If we abandon the legal profession to the Johnny Cochrans of the world, who will guide the jury to recognizing that the only real choice should have been about into which of O.J. Simpson’s arms to stick the needle? In fact, the Simpson murder trial is a perfect example: Simpson had the master showmen Cochran and Robert Shapiro. And justice retorted with Marcia Clark and Christopher Darden.

We need decent people to stand in a courtroom when one of Edwards’ colleagues demands $3 million for pain and suffering caused by spilled hot coffee to respond with a legally appropriate version of: “The plaintiff is a doofus.” For every Edwards, we need an Antonin Scalia to talk the jury off the roof. For every ambulance chaser whose chosen profession has pushed malpractice insurance — hence, healthcare costs — into the stratosphere, we need a dignified jurist to remind people that “yes, the patient has a reduced quality of life following his heart surgery, but he is alive, and it’s a good thing the surgeon didn’t go to law school instead.” And for every Elizabeth Lloyd and her attorney, there must be someone with an understanding of both basic decency and the law who can stand up and remind the jury that she was sitting next to a baseball field on which 11-year-olds were playing — of all things — baseball, a sport in which baseballs are routinely used and often leave the field of play.

It would be a dereliction of duty if I didn’t note the political bent of the sort of people who sue Little League baseball players when their clients are hit by flying baseballs. They’re the same attorneys who filed the lawsuits against McDonald’s for hot coffee and the same who filed suit against McDonald’s on behalf of parents with fat kids. They’re Edwards, Cochran (were he still alive) and Shapiro. They’re also Attorney General Eric Holder and President Barack Obama. They bend, twist and deform the law to assuage their greed for money and/or power. And they crush the dreams of Little League players, force doctors into the poorhouse, deny justice to murder victims and diminish the quality of the lives of virtually everyone with whom they cross professional paths.

Even if Matthew successfully fends off the Lloyds’ abominably frivolous lawsuit, they and the lawyer who took their case have stolen a big chunk of Matthew’s childhood. We all lost a little bit when Matthew was served with the papers for this suit. We all lose a little bit every time some lawyer plays the lawsuit lottery like this. All of us, that is, except the lawyers.

Maybe Shakespeare was right all along.

–Ben Crystal

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Paul Trem

    The author Ben Crystal thinks that this strange lawsuit is typical of lawsuits. It only makes the news because it was NOT typical. In reality “lawyers” protect us from real dangers. Mindless people deride lawyers while they in their everyday life use products that would be dangerous if not for the “lawyers”. Yet the kooks are unaware they are fighting the people on their side.

    But the real proof in the pudding is ythat the author said that maybe Shakespeare was right. He refes to the line in the Shakespeare play “Kill all the lawyers”. In reality the line was uttered by a sinister Fascist person. Shakespeare’s point was the opposite of what the Crystal inferred. Shakespeare was ridiculing Crystal, and Crystal was too out of it to realize that the it was he who Shakespeare was deriding.

    • S.C. Murf

      Paul a little history for you, at one time back during our earlier days (13 colony days) lawyers were not allowed to practice their trade with-in the town’s limits because the towns people already knew how they could twist, spin and confuse the real issues. maybe that’s where we need to get back to. Since our Gov’t is made up of lawyers, and anyone can see the mess they have created, looks like we need a few Teachers, Doctors, Bus Drivers etc. making the laws.

      up the hill
      airborne

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        I like the word Shyster! It fits ‘em to a tee!!! Especially the old German word from which it is derived! LOL!!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.
      • KEN

        @S.C. Murf;

        Thanks for the history lesson Murf, Paul must be a lawer ( or terribly “stupit” )…lawyers don’t work for you OR me but for the court and their “bothers” (fellow lawyers, judges, politicians).

        Paul, your either a liar (meaning lawyer) or mentally deficient if you believe any attorney is working to your benefit!

        People like yourself Paul are what’s wrong with this country – long winded and short on common sense.

        Have a nice day.

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      How did you get to the head of the line Paul?! What are you Bob’s legal council?! LOL!!! Jesus had a few choice words for the lawyers of His day also! I believe y’all were refered to as a brood of VIPERS or something to that effect! LOL!!!

      • http://personalliberty.com Amelia

        I am amazed at how many law schools there are, pumping out hundreds of lawyers every year. Does any one know how many mathematicians, engineers, scientists, doctors are pumped out every year?
        Sorry, but I am becoming increasingly convinced that people go into “law” for the big bucks they hope to make, and some, I think, like Obama go into law to find out just how to screw it around so he can get around it, take advantage and make big bucks and friends of just as dishonest people as himself.
        Growing up I never thought about lawyers or government. But at 65 I can say that everything I do now, I hesitate and wonder will someone sue me, will I get dragged into court if you get hurt on my property. And don’t even get me started on the government. I think, of course this is only my perspective, but there is real fear about the government. It used to be just what the IRS could do, rack us over the coals, make our lives miserable for years with audits. But now, I think more and more people are really concerned with what the rest of government can, is doing and will do more of in the future.

        So, I have a question: if Obama gets re-elected, heaven forbid it, will he want to be called King, Czar, Dictator, Master, because he sure won’t be president of a free people.

    • libertarian58

      Lawyers are no longer interested in justice, only money, and the proof of this is that a lawyer actually took this case. The first thing they do is look to see if there are any “deep pockets” to tap, then they go for it all. The boy surely has no money, but maybe the parents do, or maybe the Little League organization or maybe. . . If you go to the game and sit in the line of fire, expect that you might get hit. That’s just life.

      • http://www.facebook.com/frank.miller.5203577 Frank Miller

        a BIG amen, AS IN MCDONALDS, SHE BOUGHT THE COFFEE, it then became her sole ownership, her own risk, etc.
        the ‘lil boy is a boy who is likely to make mistakes,she went to the game for whatever
        purpose knowing the risk involved and sat close to the boy!!!
        this is her responsiability not the ‘lil boy.
        old sarge,’nam vet,’68,’70
        lrrp/abn

      • STOPTHEMADNESS

        If I remember correctly she bought the coffee at the drive-thru and put it between her legs to drive away…

        • Jeff

          You don’t remember correctly at all. But that shouldn’t stop you from knowing the TRUTH.

      • Steve

        You need only look at countries that don’t allow lawyers to know that this line of “reasoning” is flawed. Lawyers are not the problem. Remember, it was a jury that ruled against McDonalds. Lawyers are an essential part of our system of law and our system of law – while not perfect – remains the best in the world. Frivolous suits are a to the legal system what distasteful and ignorant speech (like this article) are to Free Speech.

    • SmartA$$

      “Shakespeare was ridiculing Crystal”? Shakespeare died April 23, 1616. I seriously doubt Ben Crystal was even born then. Your are stupid.

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

      So this idiot sits where she could get hit by a ball and she sues a kid, that is the kook and lawyers are bigger kooks then most, live by ten lttle laws and wouldn’t need them, police or judges, those who don’t are the real kooks.

  • Bobseeks

    Lawyers are the toxic waste at the bottom of the human barrel and they are parasites living off of the rest of us. While there are a handful of good lawyers like Jay Sekulow, the overwhelming majority of lawyers serve no useful purpose. O course, it is the greed and selfishness of the American people that keeps these vermin in their BMWs and country estates. We have become a country full of lazy, selfish people always looking for an easy and quick way to get rich. We need to teach our children that life is about doing honest work and that those who look to live off of others will someday face a fiery judgment for their sloth and selfishness.

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      Shakespeare said that we should, “Kill all the lawyers”, and Congreve said that, “Hell hath no fury..” I wonder what both of these famous playwrites wuuld have to say about Gloria Allred?! LOL!!! I wonder if the description would start with a “B” or a “C”?! LOL!!!

      By the way has anybody heard anything else from Robert CH?! LMMFAO! HA HA HA!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Going, going, going.. By the way Ben, HOMERUN!!! Keep up the GOOD work Bro! Jesus LOVES ya man, and so do I!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Well here we go AGAIN! Hey Ben did ya ever play ball with one of those spoiled little brats who always had all the toys and if the game wasn’t played according to THEIR rules, they’d take their ball and go home?! Thats the reason you ALWAYS carry your own ball! The world is FULL of those types and I personally look forward to the coming meltdown just to see how they fare! LOL!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        “In a nation of laws, existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or ill, it teaches the whole people by its’ examples. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law, it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.”
        1928 Supreme Court opinion by Justice Louis Brandeis
        Wake up America!!! What?! Are we living in a country governed by a secret society of megalomaniacs who fancy themselves above the very laws that they’ve made their fortunes from enforcing the rest of us to adhere to?!
        “We are free today substantially, but the day will come when our republic will come to impossibility because it’s wealth will be concentrated in the hands of a few. When that day comes, then we must rely upon the wisdom of the best elements in the country to readjust the laws of the nation to the changed conditions.”
        James Madison
        “None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe that they are free.”
        Goethe
        “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”
        Martin Luther King Jr.
        “For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and they lay them on mens’ shoulders; but they themselves wll not move them with one of their fingers.”
        Matthew 23:4
        The rule of law can only work in a society where justice is meted out with equity. Just when did Lady Justice trade in her blindfold for a pair of Transition sunglasses whose darkness or clarity depend on the size of ones’ bank account? When it comes to lawyers, I sometimes tend to agree with William Shakespere. I believe that our once great nation is getting dangerously close to the tipping point. How many more times will the will of the American people be shot down by some ideological judge, who are supposedly sworn to uphold the Constitution, before We the People say enough is enough? We’ll probably be surprised by how small of a spark it will take to set the forest ablaze. Been groped at the airport lately?

      • Shane

        Well written opinion, Tom.

      • Kathy Greene

        Actually, in Shakespeare’s time, the word “lawyer” referred to a legislator- or someone who MADE the laws- not the people who “tried” the laws in a Courtroom. And while I do not defend most lawyers (please give those doing decent work a break!), if this woman was not looking for a way to make a fast buck, there would be no case to try. The average person is just as greedy as the lawyers- they just have less opportunity to express that greed. -Kathy

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Thanx Shane! But the point is this Kathy, why would such a frivolous law suit even be allowed to take up docket space?!! Because the thieves are ALL makin’ bucks off of a scam! And it aint’t the truly innocent here it’s the TRUE criminals!!!

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      ONE of the things that bothers me about Jay Bobseek, is why should I have to send money to a lawyer to defend my rights as an AMERICAN?!! That right there is enough to tell you that it’s almost time to take up arms!!! Also I’ve sent money to the ACLJ and let me tell you something, they have no quams about calling you right in the middle of supper time and almost DEMAND that you send more! Jay also is an unprovoked smarta$$ to some of his callers sometimes and will cut them off if he doesn’t feel their question happens to adress the issues as he sees fit! His son ‘GQ Jordan” got stopped going through customs in Turkey, you know why?! Too many shoes! LOL!!! A man isn’t supposed to be travelin’ with more shoes than Imelda Marcos Jordon!!! STOP YER B!TCHIN’ SON! LOL!!!

      • Curt

        Tom W., sorry bounce off you here…Jeff, When are people going to start taking responsibility for their own actions? Do you REALLY have to say…”Don’t Drink The Bleach”?

    • Jeff

      So, “good” lawyers are those who represent entrenched interests (as long as they’re sufficiently rapacious or right wing) while “bad” lawyers represent people who don’t have a lot of money, right?

      This whole call for tort reform has been going on at least since Reagan and it is mostly bogus. If you make a product that you KNOW will injure people unnecessarily (like coffee 30 degrees too hot), why should there be no accountability for that decision?

      Reagan used to tell an apocryphal story about a guy who got hit in a phone booth by a reckless driver and then sued the phone company. He always got laughs from the know-nothings in his audience. The real facts were that people had been hit there before and the phone booth door malfunctioned, trapping the person. Does that make a difference?

      I don’t know anything about the baseball story but you can be sure if she received no injuries beyond a little swelling, she’ll be lucky to get $150, let alone $150,000. If someone gets injured by someone’s negligence, the injuries get compensated. And the fact that you remember breaking someone’s window when you were 11 and it only cost you a lecture and $5 from your piggy bank is really not relevant, is it?

      • Shane

        While your comment has merit. This article, and most of the coherent comments related to our judicial system are about balance, not absolutes. Taking one of your points, the McD coffee incident. The amount of compensation, regardless of fault, tilted that judgement as illegitimate and unprincipled. One must remember, Jeff. That a considerable aggregate of the lawsuits brought forth through our judicial system are soley about excessive compensation or control. Note the word “excessive.” While it’s possible many times to gain compensation for a wrong that is considerably above the original wrong’s value, that does not make it moral or right. But many in our society see a lawsuit or threat of lawsuit as a way to riches, be it small or large. Kind of like a lottery without purchasing a ticket.

        But I will give our judicial system a thumbs up. For we do have if not the best, nearly the best judical system in the world. But judical is not justice, just the mechanism for the practicability of possibly reaching fairness. So as far as justice, consistent justice, I see little of that in our country.

        • Jeff

          Shane:

          I think I see where you are going. You’re concerned that the large jury award (The case settled for much less during endless appeals.) does more than compensate the victim for her injuries. That’s true. It’s designed to punish the corporate tortfeasor for its monetary decision to do something sure to injure a certain number of people. How do you punish a multi-billion dollar business with a $100,000 verdict? You don’t.

          Maybe some portion of punitive damages awards should go to a fund of some sort, I don’t know. But punitive damages can be the only way to reign in corporate excesses. Health insurance companies often deny claims for illegitimate reasons. There is currently no effective way to combat this. Until about 25 years ago, a company could get hit with a bad faith claim and have to pay out millions for a small denied claim. This get their attention and may alter their coverage decisions. Having to pay the original claim plus some attorney fees years after the fact is no penalty at all.

      • “Dallas”

        Who do I sue for the “destruction” and “damage” that has been caused, and continues to be caused by Liberals/Liberalism?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1417763559 Beno

        This women doesn’t deserve a $1.50, when you choose to sit where she did, she assumes the risk if anything she should recieve a book to teach her not to be dumb, stupid is as stupid does.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        30 degrees too hot?!! I don’t know about you but I like my coffee just short of boiling! Especially in the winter time when on a construction site building a climate controlled bldg. for a bunch of SHYSTERS and it’s the only thing you got to keep you warm!!! If you want ice coffee, they got that too! How can somebody sue another for their own incompetence?!!

        • Jeff

          Your pride in your ignorance should keep you warm!!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Where do we file the suit at Dallas?! I like the way ya think Bro! And it’s just like Ron White says Beno, “Ya just can’t fix it!”. LOL!!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL6wbsGx9qw

      • RivahMitch

        You are aware that rotary lawn mowers now carry a warning precisely because some idiots used them to trim a hedge by lifting them from underneath and won a significant award? Hopefully, you’ve also noticed that there were very few public phones left even before people began buying cellular phones? “This plastic bag is not a toy.” Coffee “30 degrees too hot”. Is it possible that there could be such a thing as a simple accident from which neither a “victim” or its shyster could benefit? Ever hear of “defensive medicine”? How about the current shortage of Ob/Gyn practicioners because of litigiousness? This sort of legal idiocy has consequences for which we all pay.

        • Jeff

          Is there nothing a corporation can do to make them negligent or is it always about the individual’s “personal responsibility”? Companies have entire departments of economists (bean counters) to determine whether it pays to spend an extra dollar or two per widget/vehicle/unit to save X number of lives. Part of that calculation is how much they will have to pay out to the few who are injured.

          I know you’re way too smart to ever be injured by corporate negligence. That’s why you hang out in right-wing chat rooms. Some day it will be you or someone you know and these same right-wingers will be asking how stupid you can be.

      • afdbghq

        If a person is so stupid as to place a cup of hot coffee between their legs and then attempt to drive and as a result spills the coffee then of course it must be the fault of the vendor who sold the coffee – NOT. This person and her lawyer should have been laughed out of court and then made to pay all court costs as a result of this stupid law suite. What ever happened to personal responsibility? The lawyers and politicians have eliminated the concept of personal responsibility.

        There is an old adage that states that a town with one layer has a person struggling to make a living but when the same town has two lawyers the town has two very wealthy individuals.

        Jurors are to blame also because the believe that it is only the insurance companies money but in fact it is the peoples money. This is because every time an insurance company has to pay out a large amount from a law suite they raise their premiums in order to make up for the lost money, thus causing all of us to pay more for the insurance.

        • Jeff

          Before you spout off, you should know SOMETHING. She wasn’t driving. She was in the passenger seat and the car was parked. Liquid in a cup will spill some % of the time. It might be that a child or a dog hits it or it might be that the lid comes off in a manner producing a spill. If the liquid is so hot that it melts the skin on contact, burns are sure to occur in a good number of people.

          Certainly, McDonald’s was aware of the heat of its coffee. It determined it could sell more if it was hotter – hotter than anyone could drink it. Does this create a safety hazard? Apparently the jury thought so and punished McDonald’s with 1 or 2 days’ coffee sales – later reduced in settlement during the appeal.

          Sometimes, “personal responsibility” applies to someone other than the victim.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        So Bob, when some boob like Jeff insinuates that I’m ignorant, am I still handcuffed?!! Because seein’s where talking about RULE of law here, should not the same rules apply to ALL?!! X’s & O’s to ya Jeff, I got your ignorance boy!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/darwin.g.price Darwin Gene Price

      The scary thing most of our Senators and Representatives are lawyers. That is why it will be impossible to get tort reform.

      • “Dallas”

        I seem to recall having either heard or read that in the early days in Philadelphia, I believe, there was a law on the books that it was against the law to practice law in Philadelphia.
        Is that true?

      • JeffH

        Darwin, you’re spot on that the greatest majority of our legislators are/were lawyers as were Mr. & Mrs. O.

        It’s no wonder why this country has become so screwed up.

        • Jeff

          W couldn’t even get accepted to the University of Texas Law School. In those days, Harvard and Yale would take virtually anyone from an aristocratic family with money. One thing W never forgot were his uncles’ phone numbers so they could bail him out of every mess he ever got into. MBA in oil business who made millions w/o finding a drop of oil. Genius or member of lucky sperm club? Born on 3rd base and stole 2nd, but guess who voted for him and still would?

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        “Dallas” I Couldn’t find the smokin’ gun but I did find this site it has some neat old engravings from that era! There’s some rabbit holes also, but I didn’t venture, maybe later, I tend to get lost! LOL!!!

  • Robert Smith

    “Of course, the granddaddy of all idiotic lawsuits would be the infamous case in which a woman sued McDonald’s after she spilled hot coffee in her lap and burned herself. That she won close to $3 million is testament only to the perverse courtroom skills of her attorney and the frighteningly high number of exceptionally stupid people in the jury pool.”

    Actually there is another point of view on that: “McFact No. 6: After careful deliberation, the jury found McDonald’s was liable because the facts were overwhelmingly against the company. When it came to the punitive damages, the jury found that McDonald’s had engaged in willful, reckless, malicious, or wanton conduct, and rendered a punitive damage award of 2.7 million dollars. (The equivalent of just two days of coffee sales, McDonalds Corporation generates revenues in excess of 1.3 million dollars daily from the sale of its coffee, selling 1 billion cups each year.)”

    http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/ubb/get_topic/f/107/t/000479.html

    Or you can go to NetFlix for “Hot Coffee” “Hot Coffee
    (2011) NR
    This documentary examines the so-called “hot coffee lawsuit” in which a woman sued McDonald’s after she spilled her coffee and burned herself, specifically looking at the reasons why the fast-food giant invested heaps of money to sway public opinion.”

    What it appears here is Ben Crystal working for the 1% AGAIN at the expense of the rest of us as he protects a big coropration AGAIN.

    Rob

    • http://dsalvatorilaw.com Dominic D. Salvatori

      Thank you for setting the record straight on the McDonald’s case. To my fellow conservatives, I would say this – lawyers are the last bastion against the police state. I am proud to be a trial lawyer. Conservatives get blinders on when it comes to what we do. What we do is noble, what many of my colleagues do with their extra income (support left wing politicians and policies) is not. Don’t throw out the proverbial baby with the bath water.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        What’s the difference between a lawyer and a vulture Dominic?! A vulture can’t take off his wing-tips at night! LOL!!! Funny but your name doesn’t sound Jewish! LOL!!!

      • Shane

        I beleive your comment is clearly incorrect. You may have been better served to state, some, not we. Your use of “we” denotes “all” or ‘vast majority.” The evidence points away from all or the vast majority of lawyers being altruistics or fair. Note, I didn’t imply “all” attorney, or even the vast majority of attorneys are pond scum sucking leeches. Many lawyers, like most of those in the various professions or other labor pursuits, fall some where in the middle too. But most of them are not over represented in our law making, or in positions of doing great harm to the rest of the citizens if they chose to be malevolent. I personally found your defense of the law profession, to be quite weak. I could do a better job of defending the judicial system, while still keeping myself with high integrity. In fact I just did. I just did not put on blinders to look in only one direction, be it positive or negative.

        There must be a reason that thoughout history, societies have had suspicions and distrust of lawyers as a whole.

      • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

        Shane, people often distrust those who have unusual (perceived) power derived from specialized knowledge that most of us don’t understand. In our Founding generation, most New Englanders were lawyers. You didn’t have to have a licence or swear fealty to the British monarch in order to practice law in those days, and the average person was more able to represent himself in court if he so desired. That’s why somebody-or-other famous (I forget who) said we were “a nation of lawyers.” Of course, there were fewer laws, too. But we’ve mostly lost that as a culture, and people feel disempowered as a result. I think if people understood law, procedure, and the relationship between statutes and law a little better, we could recognize the evil among the attorneys more easily and not fear them so much.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        It’s called legal mumbo-jumbo Jazz! I just love that commercial about the unscrupulous lenders where the guys are sittin at that little old lady’s kitchen table thumbing through the contract and saying, “I don’t even think a lawyer can read this.”. LOL!!!

      • Jess

        I personally think that the lawyers that represent the people and stand up for justice should be applauded and thanked but the vast majority of lawyers don’t fall into that catagory. Many lawyers need to be taken out behind the tool shed and taught the difference between right and wrong, if that doesn’t work they should be disbarred and learn to do real work for a living, such as cleaning out the stalls at a horse ranch so they can smell what they have been shoveling to the rest of us. There is an old joke that is appropiate ” What do you call a thousand lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? A good start.”

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Jess out of ALL the legal professionals I’ve met in my 53 yrs., I’ve met three (I have NO idea how they treated others, but they did me right!) good lawyers and ONE good judge. I do applaud them and do so in the following posts!!! I hear ya Jess, give ‘em hell Darlin’!!!

    • BigBadJohn

      The lady got THIRD DEGREE burns, basically the coffee was so hot it melted her skin. Was she partially responsible – sure. The Suit was settled for an undisclosed amount less than $600,000 after years of appeals by MickyD. So that 2.7 million was just a number to start at.

      • Kaja Carrancho

        Thanks for clearing that up!I don’t think that 3rd degree burns are frivolous. I do believe that most some attorney’s are honorable.Ambulance chasers can’t say that. The woman suing the little boy is hurting this little boy and his family for financial gain. She should be shamed of herself.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        And now because of the incompetant boob, ya can’t find a cup of HOT coffee anywhere!!!

      • Shane

        The judgement was for $2,700,000. The final amount that was eventually reached, does not in any way change the infairness of the original judgement. Nor does your opinion include the highly increased cost of defense of both the unfair original judgement and the successiful attempt to have that judgement lowered.

      • mac

        What I don’t understand is that McDonalds STILL keeps their coffee too hot. It STILL takes 30+ minutes for it to get down to drinkable temperature, if you keep the lid on it. On a 45 minute drive home recently, even after adding cream to cool it, I still could not comfortably drink the coffee until I was within ten miles of home.

        Actually I blame 7-11 for this; back in 1974 I remember a frequent radio ad touting their “HOT, HOT, HOT coffee!”

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        HELLO!!! Coffee is supposed to be hot! I like mine that way! If you don’t, PUT AN ICE CUBE OR TWO IN IT DA !!! (No it doesn’t stand for district attorney! LOL!!!) why should everybody else have to drink cold coffee because you happen to have a sensitive palate?!
        Oh, I can tell this is going to be a long day, they’re coming outta the wood work! Someone GET THE RAID!!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mSpTubd1N0

        Spoken like a couple of TRUE SHYSTERS fellas! LOL!!!

      • KEN

        WHO dumped the coffee on her?! she caused the burns HERSELF by spilling the coffee in HER OWN LAP.

        For Christ’s sake, what does it take to get people to be responsible for themselves?!

        If you chop one of your fingers off with a knife do you sue the knifemaker?

        If you shoot yourself in the foot out of your own stupidity do you sue the gun maker?!

        If you walk across the street and step into traffic without looking do you sue the guy who hit you?!!

        Is it just me or am I the only one who see’s a problem with Americans being able to be accountable for their actions?!

        I’m personally disgusted with this society. Fifty, hell – even 40 years ago, you would never hear of such idiocy and now it’s common place.

        The government manipulation machine has been working for decades to get the people to be dependent on it and it’s finally reached the tipping point where there are more people who want to live at the sacrifice of others hard work, feed off the innocent and live like leeches off the blood of the honest at the detriment to our society.

        Sooner of later the victim of those blood-suckers will win out and die, but not till after it’s bled to death!

      • Rick

        the woman was in her 50′s by that age she should be intelligent enough to know that hot liquid will burn you. SO why would she put it between your legs. That’s like sticking your hand in a meat grinder then suing because it cut your hand.anyone that foolish should have to have a keeper every time she leaves the house. Or the guy that was trying toor their stupidity we need to keep them break into a man’s house when walking on ther roof at night he stepped through the skylight and was injured and sued the homeowner. this is another stupid law suit. Instead of rewarding this idiots they need to be held accountable for their actions not try to blame others.

        • Jeff

          You’re looking for absolutes in a world of grey. There is likely negligence on both sides and I believe the jury apportioned fault thru cmparative negligence. But the societal issue deals with McDonalds, not the Plaintiff. Do we want companies placng coffee into commerce that WILL burn people badly? If you want to restrain such behavior, the tort system may be the only way. I know you’re a model of personal responsibility and rectitude, but we can’t all measure up to that standard.

    • BERNADINE

      So Mcdonalds make money that is why they are in bussiness but
      you buy a cup of hot coffee and are carless and spill it on yourself
      it is not thier falt. you were the careless one so you have only your
      self to blame. But you sue Mcdonald’s instead for money that is greed
      You want somthing you did not earn or work for. that is a sin.and
      shameful on your part.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        And there lies the problem, the case shouldn’t have even been allowed in a court of LAW!!!

    • Chuck

      Isn’t it troubling that they also vote?

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        And breed like rabbits! LOL!!!

    • Cameron

      If you don’t want your coffee HOT, then buy & drink it COLD. Anyone who drinks anything or eats anything while driving deserves it when they spill something in their lap. If you’ve just GOTTA have that coffee before going to work, get up a mere ten minutes earlier & go inside McDonald’s, sit down, & relax while you enjoy a cup. Cheesh!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Cheech indeed Cameron!!!

      • Shane

        My that was a harsh and uncaring statement of yours to make, Cameron. Expecting common sense and personal accountablity! Gee, what a cruel person you are. I’m surprised we just don’t excute every tenth CEO, those nasty 1%ers. That would keep the others in line. Remember, it’s always someone eles fault.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        We’re workin’ on it Shane, but first things first! The CEO’s will have to wait untill were done takin’ care of the shyters! Just an uneducated guess but I’d say that’s about 99% of all the lawyers out there! I know that there are some GOOD ones, I’ve had a couple. If anybody ever needs a GOOD lawyer in Louisville, KY, look up Jay Dilbeck! I look for BIG things for him one day. His BIGGEST problem is that he is too honest! That’s not GOOD when your swimmin’ amongst the sharks!!!

        • Jeff

          Why shouldn’t your guesses be uneducated when your opinions certainly are.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        BITE ME (offensive attack removed)!!!

        Will this work Bob?!!

    • Penny R. Freeman

      You’ve got a serious problem if you don’t believe that all these stupid lawsuits aren’t pushing the cost of everything in this country through the roof. Malpractice is just one lawsuit claim that has adversely effected everyone requiring medical treatment. It’s also the reason you find more and more doctors in clinics rather than in private practice. For your info, given the fact that the moron burned by the coffee suffered because she put the cup in her lap while driving, I would think she’s the type that would gladly go into the McDonald’s and throw a fit if her coffee wasn’t hot enough to suit her. Today large companies, even though most of them have a large froup of attorneys representing them, they just pay settlements on these cases instead of going to court. Why? The cost of court time, attornetys, etc. is higher than just paying the settlement. One more reason the cost of everything you purchase is going up. I can tell you from working for a manufacturing company, the demand for warning labels on every item a consumer purchases is another side effect of these stupid lawsuits. And you want to scream that Bob is in favor of the 1%?! When your health insurance premiums go up one more time remember to thank the ambulance chasing attorneys. When the cost of ANY item manufactured in this country goes up, remember to thank the attorney who got the settlement because of the spilled coffee and our defunct government demanding stupid warning labels. Anybody who doesn’t know that coffee is HOT shouldn’t be drinking it. Also should she really have been driving and keeping something hot in her lap? So much for taking responsibilty for your own actions. And we somehow wonder why it takes forty forevers to get legitimate lawsuits through courts! It probably doesn’t have anything to do with these stupid lawsuits that are on the docket thanks to greedy attorneys and people who refuse to accept that the problem was caused by their own actions. I have an example of my own. I was hit by a drunk driver. She was so drunk she couldn’t even give the police officer her name. Not only that but the person with her had driven away from the scene with the car. That lady was arrested as soon as the police officer tried to talk to her. She served some jail time. By the time she was released the insurer of the car had paid for the repairs to my car. (No I didn’t sue for anything-personal injury or anything else.) Once that lady was released from jail she found an ambulance chaser to help her file suit against me for causing the accident. He had never bothered to even look at the police report. As soon as I told him that she had been arrested, he ended the phone conversation and I never heard from him again. And you want to tell me that ambulance chasing idiot attorneys aren’t affecting the cost of everything in this country?! My assumption Robert is that you’re another somebody who doesn’t believe in taking responsibility for your own actions. We all gladly thank you for making life more expensive and causing legitimate lawsuits to get bogged down forever in the courts, some even long enough that the ACTUAL victim has died before the suit reaches the court! Yes I could tell you about more than one like that too.

      • mac

        Penny, Penny, Penny – Do you really think people are going to read a comment that is almost as long as the article you are replying to? I didn’t.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Excellent retort Penny! Mac just showes his (I have to be careful here because Bob has me on double secret probation! I tend to ruffle feathers.) lack of understanding by not giving your retort a read. Excellently written too. Yeah it was long but not as long as some of mine. You had a killer flow going and I NEVER felt like I was being delayed reading it. Mac must be a DA! LOL!!!

      • Jeff

        Penny:

        Does it bother you at all to have such strong opinions based upon completely inaccurate information? You know nothing about this woman or the case and you’re 2nd guessing everyone involved including the jury who had no stake in the case.

        The case was about whether McDonalds’ economic decision to sell coffee at temperatures guaranteed to cause 3rd degree burns makes their coffee a dangerous product. No, the woman was not driving. But many people do drive wth coffee because it is considered a safe product. People don’t wear hazmat suits when holding a coffee cup!

        Companies make economic decisions knowing a certain number of people will be injured by the company’s failure to take safety precautions. The calculation involves the “cost” of the precaution vs. the damages they’ll likely have to pay out to those injured.
        This happens regularly with auto makers. A five dollar part in 200,000 cars vs, serious injuries to X number of people.

        McDonald’s is no different. They knew how dangerous the coffee was at that temperature and continued selling it because it increased their profit margin. Does “personal responsibility” not enter into the calculation or does that apply only to the poor and powerless?

    • Barefoot

      !? Big corp.? When I get coffee I expect it to be hot! If it isn’t, I’m upset. The fact that the lady, who as I would, expect a hot coffee then spills in on herself, had the audacity to sue McDonalds which is generally a franchise owner is bad enough, but that she got awarded a generous sum of money is down right dirty. It would have been diferent had an employee knocked her coffee over on her. Some people are clumsy and shouldn’t be trusted with sharp objects! But the fact that an 11yr old hit a woman who should have seen it coming and ducked or swatted the ball away here, shows the same level of evil natured liberal thought that affect most all democrats. And I bet that if you dig it out, all of these sue happy clients ARE democrats as is most lawyers!!
      And THAT in a nutshell is what’s wrong with the country!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        I say ya NAILED it Barefoot!

    • Rick

      The only good lawyer is a dead lawyer. Lawyers making laws does anyone see a conflict of interest here? I feel that Lawyers should be banned. and let the simplest mindeed person you can find write the laws. No maybe and what ifs just a+b=c. How hard is it to read the law and understand it? if it becomes difficult it is a way for them to purpetuat themselves. Suing has a place in some but very few cases. But people need to take responsiblity for their own actions and resulting fate. The woman put the cup of coffee between her legs and ddrove out of the driveway where it spilled on her and scalded her. She was an adult what adult does not know that hot liquid will burn you? Anyone that stupid should not get rewarded she should not be allowed out without a keeper. Hwe lawyer ans the woman suing the baseball player should both be disbared and be forced to get a real job. and being that foolish the only thing they are qualified for is to dig a ditch. or pick up dog crap.

      • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

        Look up the “original 13th Amendment.” It would have banned attorneys from serving in Congress. Several states ratified it, but not enough yet. Even though it’s very, very old (1830′s I believe?), there’s no time limit on ratifying it. We could still do it if enough states took it up.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Now there’s a thought Jazz! I LIKE IT!!!

    • Cliffystones

      Wow Robert, for once I find myself in agreement with you!

      I don’t think however that Ben is a 1 percenter. He just needs to do a little homework. The fact that the coffee was hot wasn’t revalent. It was HOW hot it was (at boiling), and the fact that Mickey D’s tried to avoid any responsibility whatsoever. I’m quite sure that if they had offered to pay this woman’s medical bills, reconstructive surgery bills (yea, it was that bad!) and lost income this might not have become headline news. But like with many other stories there was McDonald’s, the woman, and the truth which I’m sure was somewhere there in the middle.

      And everybody hates lawyers! Until they need one. I’ve needed one on several occasions, not to screw somebody over, but to make sure what I needed to accomplish was being done legally to protect mine and any other interested party’s legal rights. Expensive, hell yes! But a lot cheaper that trying to go off half-cocked on my own and risking my livelyhood, savings and reputation if I’d not dotted an “i” or crossed a “t”.

      For a laugh, look for an episode of the 1990s science fiction show “Sliders”. It’s one where they fall into a parallel dimension in which everybody is a lawyer, and sues each other at the drop of a hat. It’s pretty funny.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        It sure sounds like a hoot! You just gotta LOVE the character played by William Shatner on “Boston Legal”! His sidekick played by James Spader was a hoot also!!! As much as I distain lawyers, I LOVED that show! Especially thier little one on ones on the balcony after a hard day in court! LOL!!!

        • Jeff

          Exactly how much child support do you owe, anyway?

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

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      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        [Inappropriate comment removed]

      • Tom’s Libtard Daughter

        Jeff this is the libtard daughter this man speaks of. Let me tell you he has a very onesided view of this matter. He does stil owe my mother child support, but after a minor turns 18 the remainder is exponged unless that now adult seeks the support. While there is some truth to what he says, my Mother and stepfather did get into some trouble and left to make a fresh start. The truth is I came MANY time to visit his family but he was to busy with his own life to make an effort to visit me or was shoved away because of the condition he was in when he did show up. I am sure he will tell everyone of his percieved actions of me when I was 12 years old and I am nothing but a liar as well as a theif. The truth is that even if what he thinks was true he can only throw up the actions of a child because that is how well he knows the 31 year old women I have become. Even if as he told me it is my Mother’s fault and HIS mothers fault (very onesided view) is true, why whenhe was “saved” did he not become part of his daughter’s life? I am also sure he will tell you all of my feminazi ways, if having my own thoughts and beliefs makes me such I guess I should be proud. Like I said my Mom has made many mistakes in life but she did learn from them and has been a valuable tool in my life as well as my children. Dad I was going to just leave you alone after you told me how you really felt. I asked a friend to keep an eye out because if you was man enough to just walk away I would be women enough to do the same. Please enough attacks on the women who raised your child. It was a low blow to cut and paste this to your facebook profile. Quit with the attacks. Now show everyone here the man you really are and attack me the way you did onmy public facebook profile. To say such hateful things and mix in quotes from the bible, it is you who you should hope God has mercy on! See I know that as usual the truth lies somewhere in the middle, I am not the nazi trying to push my views down everyone’s throat.

        • Jeff

          Daughter:

          I’m surprised Tom would blog and air his dirty laundry where someone actually knows him. I’ve just been around long enough to recognize liquor logic when I see it and to realize any normal working person with so much animosity for lawyers has to be (or was) on the hook for child support. You seem to have survived his influence. Maybe one day you can forgive him and even buy him a cold one.

        • Jeff

          Oh yeah. The feminazi thing. Clearly, Tom is Fatbaugh’s target demographic. Is he at least 50 pounds overweight? My understanding is that as vile as the man and the term are, it was at one time reserved for actual political opponents like Gloria Steinem, maybe Hillary, or Nancy Pelosi. Now, it’s the Fat Boy’s term of endearment for any woman who disagrees with him about anything (i.e. all women everywhere).

      • Tom’s Libtard Daughter

        Jeff you are very perceptive. I love the man alway’s will. He has given me about all the abuse I can take at least until he can admit some truth’s to himself. I take pride in the women I became, and there is nothing he can say to change that. I am just sick of his facebook attacks on my and my mothers character. He actually cut and pasted this on his profile bringing attention to MY friends and family (the few we still share) actions of many many years past. Let me tell ya I could tell you much worse memories than moving to the beach for a year or two that he made me endure but HIS Mom taught me to always show class no matter how much you wanted to sling mud and I moved on from my past long ago when it was time to grow up. Dad the sad thing is you still do not get that I left all these things in the past and never asked for appoligies, just for you to take ownership (quit the blame game) so that we could move on with a freshstart.

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Tom’s Daughter,

          I apologize that Tom’s inappropriate post about you was missed by the moderator. It has been removed and his commenting privileges revoked.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

        • Jeff

          One word: Intervention

      • Tom’s Daughter

        Bob thank you. From watching you, you do embody the kind of man I hope my Dad can become. You are a man who has strong political views but still can have perspective when expressing them and make valid points without personal attacks. My intent was just toshow him how it feels to air out the past on a forum he seems to care about as I do care about my facebook profile that my friends and family view.

    • Cliffystones

      Oh! And for those of you who would like to pick an argument with me, I’ve already read them. Save your typing tootsies. But before you go off on me , find and read the details of the coffee case. I used to believe as you did prior to researching it. As I read the case, it became clear that it was far from what was being portrayed by (some biased) casual observers.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        What is to research?!! An incompetent boob spilt hot coffee on herself because instead of using a cup holder, she had it between her legs. NEVER A SMART IDEA WITH A STYROFOAM CUP, they tend to collapse. PLUS she was probably trying to doctor it up while driving! Next thing ya know somebody talkin’ or textin’ on their cell phone will have a crash and try and sue the party on the other end of the connection! LOL!!! What a WICKED web we weave!

        • RichE

          “incompetent boob ” and you know this because a little birdie told you? Is that how you get answers, looking over shoulders. Don’t let yourself be spun.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        I’m sorry RichE, your point?!

        • RichE

          My point is don’t let yourself be spun.

      • Jeff

        Tom don’t need no stinkin’ details or facts. Fatbaugh told him what to think so he doesn’t have to.

      • Cliffystones

        These were THIRD DEGREE burns that required reconstructive surgery. Not just a little pink skin and a few days of misery. I’m a Libetarian myself, and I agree in principle with everything Bob has said. My point on the “coffee case” is simply whether or not we agree, the jury felt thet the preponderance of the evidence proved that the coffee was way too hot. Sure the woman was, and probably reacted like a dummy. But I’ve spilled hot liquid I was about to drink on myself on more than one occaision. And I’ve never suffered third degree burns. So would some compensation for the reconstructive surgery be reasonable? From our perspective we can argue ’till were blue in the face, but someone out there thought so.

    • RivahMitch

      Actually, I suspect those were not the jurys’ words but the shysters’ all prepackaged and ready to use by a jury who simply wanted to punish MacDonalds because they detected (i) an individual with some injury, and (ii) a nearby source of deep pockets from which they could legally extort money to assuage her “pain”.

      Some of us do actually experience accidents resulting in injuries (on others’ property) for which we do not seek compensation.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        It’s called personal responsibility RM! If I got hurt and it was my fault, I take responsibility. If it’s the fault of another, I sue only in the case that they try and deny responsibility! If they offer to take care of me, i try my BEST to work with them without a lawyer. The only bad thing is that the way the system is set up, you have to have a lawyer or you take the chance of being the one who gets screwed! In other words the system punishes you for refusing to play the game!!!

    • afdbghq

      So McDonald’s was responsible for the lady placing a cup of hot coffee between her legs and attempting to drive with the coffee between her legs resulting in her spilling the hot coffee on herself and burning herself. Get a life. Where does personal responsibility enter the picture. Anyone who places a cup of hot beverage between their legs and spills the drink has no one to blame but themselves. This is why their are cup holders in vehicles.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        THANK YOU afdbghq!!!

      • Jeff

        Who needs juries while you’re around? Whoever can tell the best story on a bumper sticker wins. Think of all the litigation costs that could be saved!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        (Offensive attack removed!)

  • RichW

    As I’m fiond of saying, “There’s nothing really wrong with lawyers. You just have to cook them so long and use so much BBQ sauce.”

    • Robert Smith

      What do you call a skydiving lawyer?

      Skeet.

      Rob

      • KEN

        Rob – that was freaking awesome! thanks for the laugh! I know we are often at odds in discussions – but I know your not a bad guy.

    • BigBadJohn

      Lawyer jokes it is…

      Whats the difference between a cat fish and a lawyer?
      One is a bottom dwelling scum sucker, the other is a fish……

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      Do you know why sharks don’t eat lawyers?! PROFESSIONAL COURTESY! LOL!!!

    • MAP

      What’s the difference between a dead skunk in the middle of the road and a dead lawyer in the middle of the road? There’ll be skid marks in front of the skunk.

  • Shane

    My first comment on this article is “Wow.” Not the content, but the style and the well written use of words to make a story about this subject by Ben Crystal. This is an entertaining and masterful use of analogy, fact, decency and common sense.

    Second, I agree totally with the points made by Mr. Crystal. Not much more needs to be added, other than whether one agrees with Ben or not.

    • nc

      Shane, Ben forgot to tell you that HIS TRIAL LAWYER in his divorce matters is the CHAIRMAN OF THE COUNTY DEMOCRAT PARTY!! ARE THERE NO REPUBLICAN LAWYERS IN GEORGIA OR IS IT THAT THE SMARTEST ONES ARE DEMOCRATS???????
      I’M SURE BEN JUST FORGOT THIS TIDBIT!!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        nc, are you annoyed? Chill.

      • Shane

        nc, I realize that you fall a full deviation to the left of the mean, possibly more. But your comment was also odious in your intent.

        I’ll try to keep this simple for you. Ben’s comment was narrowly confined, and you need to keep your comments when directed about his article on topic. But no one’s stopping you from also mentioning that he has beaten his dog on a number of occasions with both a newspaper, and also a broken fishing rod. Yelp!! But I do wish you could convey your off topic comments a little more intelligently.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        SIC HIM SHANE!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Shane I’m sorry I didn’t point this out earlier, but you cn catch Bens Great “8″ from last Saturday on the side bar at the top of the page, the one entitled Featured Video: Obama and Holder – Men of Privilege, check it out. It’s not Ben at his best, he’s been off his game a little the last couple of months, summer I guess. But when he’s on, he’s on!!! He’ll bring tears to your eyes you’ll be laughin’ so hard! LOL!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Oops! Sorry Ben, I meant weeks not months, my bad Bro!!!

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      Ben is da MAN Shane!!! Come join us this Saturday, I’ll GUARANTEE that if you liked this article, you’ll just LOVE Great “8″ Saturday!!! I look forward to Saturday morning now more than I did when I was a kid wuth a bag full of chocolate eclaires and “Space Ghost” was gettin’ ready to come on! LOL!!! Come on! It’s PURE UNADULTERATED LIBERAL BASHING FUN!!!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ6qpulpmnc

      You can even stay in yer jammies, ain’t that right Karlolyn?! LOL!!! Fuzzy slippers too!

  • Dwight Mann

    Shame on the Lloyds, shame on the attorneys, and shame on the system. . .

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      Ya know this thought has crossed my mind, it’s going to be bad enough being me when I stand in front of Jesus! The thought makes my knee knock, but this I DO know, I DAMN sure wouldn’t want to be a lawyer who used their God given talents to profit off of human misery!!! NO LOL!

      • Oneguess

        Too true…

  • former walmart person

    With real unemployment at 22% (shadowstats.com), I can’t say I blame people for being sue crazy. Suing and enhancing preps may yet be one of the few ways we can survive the second great depression. Of course, most idiots who sue also tend to be the type who would squander the new found wealth, and not invest in the 4 gs, guns, grub, gold, and gas masks.

    Hope to see you on the battle fields of civil War 2.

    • Bobseeks

      Whose side will you be on? Excusing frivolous lawsuits makes you sound like a dummycrat.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        I believe that you hit the nail dead smack on the ole’ peoverbial head there Bobseek!

      • Oneguess

        @TomW: aside from “peoverbial” I totally agree. Good post(s); it seems I always enjoy them at the very least. Keep up the good work.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        My typing skills are severely lacking Oneguess! I’m just an old burned out construction worker who’s tryin’ to learn some new tricks! I AM workin’ on gettin’ better though. Thanx for the encouragement!!! I tend to catch a lot of flack for my views sometimes, but I truly believe that we are livin’ in the VERY last days and people don’t see it ’cause they don’t read their Bibles! They’ve been tryin’ to throw the Book away for at least as long as it’s been in print and it’s still on the NYT’s best seller list!!! That RIGHT THERE should make people take notice! I accept it for what it claims itself to be, God’s Holy Word!!!

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      You even have unemployed lawyers collecting unemployment because they won’t accept any other type of work! I guess it does kinda get in yer ice water! LOL!!!

      http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2011/06/28/new-york-has-largest-glut-of-unemployed-lawyers-in-the-nation/

      And I look forward to seeing you there also walmart person! Do you work there or are you ONE of the patrons?! LOL!!!

      http://www.youtube.com/v/6RzcvFLPg1A?version=3%22%3E%3Cparam

      LOL!!! Thats almost as funny as;

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtCNDx5FiLk

      LMMFAO!!! That brings TEARS everytime! LOL!!!

    • Shane

      Gee where do I start? Well, with the facts.

      The McD lawsuit was during the good and boom times. So your comment about rationalizing immoral and illegal behavior is just……..lame and ………wrong.

      An honest man or must of say women!!!

      Let me start over, because the use of “man” in written or verbal usage can and does cross gender line.

      An ethical man is honest, even when they could if they wished, appropriate or conduct themself less than honorably, with a good chance of never getting caught.

      It would seem from your rationalizing, “former walmart person,” that your personal intergity is mallable.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Shane the Bible says in Proverbs 9:10 (KJV), “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.”. Think about this in connection with what you said, when you FEAR the Lord it means you believe! Why would you fear something you didn’t believe in?! So if you fear the Lord and you believe in His omnipresence, you know you don’t get away with anything, so you won’t do those unethical things cause you know he sees all, and thus you don’t get in trouble down the road from the consequences of those actions that eventually come to light no matter how well we might keep them hid!

  • Stuart Shepherd

    Why are lawyers all Democrats?- more laws, more regulations, more programs, more special interest and special rights groups, more taxes, etc., etc., etc. = more “work,” more income, more appointments, MORE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Bobseeks

      Lawyers are mostly democrats because democrats share the same lack of basic human decency that most lawyers exhibit. It is no accident that the vermin who support the lawyers of the ACLU are overwhelmingly democrats.

      • nc

        Bobseeks, are you speaking of the ACLU that came to the defense of those famous LIBERAL DEMOCRATS Sean Hannity, Ollie North and Rush Limbaugh???? That ACLU??? I’m almost sure there are other conservatives and conservative causes whose CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS they have defended!
        NO GROUP knows more about the Constituion, it’s meaning , its’ history and the decisions of that CONSTITUTION CREATION, THE US SUPREME COURT!
        Watch that koolaid, Bob! It’s running out of every pore!!
        Maybe it’s the 6-7 years of college education that makes them choose to be Democrats!! They did have an option!!

      • Vigilant

        Mr. Crystal’s point about the effects of malpractice insurance on health care costs is well taken. The costs of defensive medicine and frivolous malpractice suits are inordinately high.

        Guess what was not included in the Obamacare bill, over the objections of Republicans? That’s right, tort reform.

        Guess which candidates are supported with big bucks from the trial lawyers? That’s right, the Democrats.

      • Shane

        Gee “nc,” you are definitely more than one standard deviation left of the mean. Your lack of reasoning ability is alarming and heartbreaking.

        The ACLU’s defense of conservative principals or individuals fall into two main camps. Number one is the simple fact that regardless of which group you indentifly with, they are not always right, nor are they always wrong. So in simple language, you and I, and others, or organizations are never always correct. Nor are they always incorrect.

        The ACLU does sometimes do what those that oppose them do, and that’s taking the same position. So they may, and have, done worthy legal work that many on the right agree with. But that is a rare bird.

        Number two on why the ACLU takes on a cause(s) that falls in the conservative camp, is cover. A masquerade, to fool as many as they can, that they are truly an independent and reasoned minded group of legal eagles, bent on a fair rendering of the constitution and civil and criminal law. These actions which have little long term cost attached to them, feed the misconception, which results in vast interest on the investment and rich rewards in their future endevors.

        “nc,”, time to put your thinking cap on.

      • boyscout

        Curious. Most of the lawyers I have dealt with were republicans. In fact, the vast majority were; so what’s your point anyway ?

      • JeffH

        boyscout says, “Curious. Most of the lawyers I have dealt with were republicans. In fact, the vast majority were; so what’s your point anyway ?”

        I’m curious also, do you ask their political affiliations before or after you deal with them? Personally it wouldn’t even cross my mind.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        NAMBLA was one of those orgs that the ACLU defended the constitutional rights of nc, your probably a card carryin’ member!!! NO LOL!

        • Jeff

          They’ve also defended the rights of other organizations they find odious like the Nazis and the KKK. I know this is beyond your understanding but the ACLU protects the civil liberties even of organizations they oppose substantively. For example, they would be likely to represent a teacher fired for exercising his freedom of speech even if he said things the ACLU attorneys found morally reprehensible – like voting for Mitt Romney.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        So please explain to me how defending the indefencable on the tax payers dime is so FREAKIN’ noble you (offensive attack removed)!!! I do not say that they shouldn’t be defended but if they can afford to pay for that defence, I don’t see where We the People should be required to pay for it! This is lawyers writing their own check is what this is!

        Self discipline Bob!!!

    • Robert Smith

      There are Republican lawyers.

      Look at what a bunch of them found: “Viewing the data for the period 2000-2010, the report by its own account shows there is no link between voter fraud in states and the need for stricter voter ID laws. ”

      That’s from: http://www.alternet.org/news/153435/republican_lawyers_group's_own_study_undercuts_vote_fraud_claims

      BTW, there are 78 Republicans in Congress who have included “attorney” as their experience.

      Rob

      • Vigilant

        RS. let’s continue with the article a few sentences beyond the out of context statement you quoted: “The data shows that during the entire 10 year period, 21 states had only 1 or 2 convictions for some form of voter irregularity. And some of these 21 states have the strictest form of voter ID laws based on a finding of 2 or less convictions in ten years. Five states had a total of three convictions over a ten year period. Rhode Island had 4 convictions for the same 10 years.”

        Now that tells me that those with ” strictest form of voter ID laws” already in place have been successful in reducing voter fraud. n’est c’est pas?

        Quoting a Huffington Post article gets you no traction, son.

      • Shane

        Yes, Robert Smith. We have too many republican attorney politicians. Agreed!! But generally speaking, a republican attorney is better than a democrat attorney. It would be nice to get more businessmen, doctors, engineers, and the like. But with all things being equal, more democrats are not what this country needs.

    • nc

      STUART , DID YOU KNOW THAT BEN’S TRIAL LAWYER IS A DEMOCRAT??? Did you know that Bob??

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        nc! Chill baby.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear nc,

        You write: “STUART , DID YOU KNOW THAT BEN’S TRIAL LAWYER IS A DEMOCRAT??? Did you know that Bob??” Thanks for revealing yourself as a Democrat opposition research operative.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        P.S. Typing in all caps does not emphasize your point or bolster your irrelevant fallacy.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Sic him Bob! LOL!!!

      • Vigilant

        Oooooooooh! nc’s been outed! Thank you, Mr. Livingston.

        nc, your Alinsky tactic of attacking the writer PERSONALLY adds another dimension to your paid shill status.

        • Jeff

          Paid by whom and how much?

          • RichE

            Geez Jeff, wait until the body’s cold before you take his boots.

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      I wonder what the percentage of them are Jewish, and then I wonder what percentage of those are named Shapiro?! Then I wonder if the Cohens outnumber the Shapiros?! LOL!!! You saw how Jesus treated them with contemp, that should tell you all that you need to know about the profession, there is only one other that is older! But in that one you’re the catcher instead of the pitcher!!! I’ll bet Ben would make a GREAT little league coach, what about it Bro?!!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Matthew 23
        King James Version (KJV)

        1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
        2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
        3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
        4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
        5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
        6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
        7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
        8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
        9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
        10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
        11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
        12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
        13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
        14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
        15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
        16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
        17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
        18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
        19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
        20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
        21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
        22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
        23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
        24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
        25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
        26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
        27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
        28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
        29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
        30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
        31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
        32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
        33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
        34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
        35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
        36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
        37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
        38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
        39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Wooooo JESUS! That sure wasn’t very Christian of you Lord!!! that was rather SCATHING! What did you say Lord? Do I know what they call the skid marks in front of a dead run-over lawyer? No, what do they call them Lord! LOL!!! A waste of GOOD rubber! LOL!!! You’re TOO much Jesus! LMAO!!!

    • 45caliber

      Why are most lawyers Demos? Consider … they make their living by lying. What other party fills their needs?

      • Jeff

        Why are most gun nuts so proud of their own ignorance?

      • JeffH

        45, as you well know, Jeff is an ignorant and childish liberal troll.

        • Jeff

          A troll? Is that the best you’ve got, Adolph? Why not explain your swastika-adorned posts?

          • JeffH

            Jeff, if you talk like a troll and stalk like a troll then you’re a troll, and a childish troll to boot!

            That’s all anybody needs to know about you.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        SIC him JeffH!!!

      • Mike

        “Gun nuts?”

        What kind of person would call someone who treasures their rights under the constitution as……”nuts?”

        I would consider them as “Anti-American.”

        • Jeff

          Gun nuts are proud of their guns above all else. They love talking about their guns and how many *&%$#)@#%* they can blow away. Intelligent people don’t talk this way. If you have something interesting to talk about, you do so. If you’re a wanna be Rambo or cop or you’re a security guard like George Zimmerman and can’t talk about sports or women, guns become your thing to discuss.

  • kategray

    Lawyers are bottom feeders. Anything for a suit!

    • nc

      Kategray, you are in a terrible accident. Burned over 80% of your body. Will be bedridden for life requiring constant care costing millions! The insurance company and the driver of the other car offer to cover your medical costs to date! Thats it! Nothing more!
      BUT THERE IS MORE INSURANCE AND THE DRIVER IS VERY WEALTHY AND VERY RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR INJURIES! WOULD YOU HIRE A TRIAL ATTORNEY TO TAKE THEM TO COURT?? WOULD YOU WANT ONE WITH THE OBVIOUS SKILL AT SUCH MATTERS AS A JOHN EDWARDS TO PROTECT YOUR INTEREST?? REMEMBER, HE WAS A “DIRTY OLD TRIAL LAWYWER” BEFORE THE AFFAIR!!

      • Bobseeks

        nc (as in nitwit cretin?): You obviously lack the intelligence to discern the difference between a legitimate settlement for actual damages versus a settlement that injures not only the defendant, but society itself while enriching a worthless lawyer. You are also too ignorant to understand that the money for these settlements comes out of our pockets in one way or another. You obviously are a democrat troll and, therefore, are without either intellignence or decency.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Bobseek, LMMFAO!!! You’re funnier than Jesus! LOL!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        No Comment, Bob is watchin’ me! LOL!!!

      • Shane

        It’s fun sometimes, to play in your sandbox “nc.” As long as I have some space from your pee puddle.

        Now I play with your toys, which you do not understand how to operate.

        I would use an attorney in a New York minute, if I needed to right a wrong that resulted in the use of the legal system. The difference is, is that I would like to right a wrong. Not win the lottery, and abuse and steal the resoures of another beyond that of that of compensating the wrong that had befallen me or my family.

        In other words, a fair minded restitution and correction of wrong is expected. A streaching of the truth and unfair and excessive taking of money / resources from others by force of the legal system is stealing.

        But an honest man knows that. Wish you did also.

    • Karolyn

      I’m sure you wouldn’t be saying that if you had a lawyer in your own family. Lawyers are people too and are not all bad!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        I’ll bet you’re an old retired lawyer aren’t cha Karlolyn?!

        http://www.dailystrength.org/groups/copd-weightfitness-support/media/578342

        LOL!!!

      • Karolyn

        I sure wish I was!

      • http://www.facebook.com/darwin.g.price Darwin Gene Price

        To most lawyers justice is unimportant. The law is all they care about. One day i told a lawyer friend that i basically didn’t like lawyers. He replied that he thought we were friends. I acknowledged that we were but i knew if someone offered him a couple of bucks that he would sue me. He advised me that was the game was played. I informed him that i did not consider it a game and would take it real personal.

      • 45caliber

        Karolyn:

        Extremely few people are “all bad”. But the small amount of good in some of them shouldn’t justify the bad things they do!

      • Shane

        I do have an attorney in the family. The family is well aware of the blinders used by our loved but sometimes disappointment in our family member.

        Karolyn, pedophiles are people too, and a child of god. But that does not take away the responsiblity of the individual to be a good person. I would expect as only family member and parents would know, that love transends sin and evil. But does not take away the heartache from knowing when a child does wrong. Accountability and standards are a dying measure in our culture, more so in some groups than others.

        Your comment Karolyn was sophomoric.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Another Rev. Henley sermon Karlolyn, some SERIOUS preachin’!!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLONgF8a_Ig

        Piano by Bruce Hornsby

        Yes, we’ve been poisoned by these fairy tales!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Some more SERTOUS preachin’ Karlolyn!!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjBvxyEAyos

        Please don’t follow the wrong god home! He LOVES you!!!

      • JeffH

        Karolyn, did you just say that or did I miss something and eddie changed his name to Karolyn…two eddie-ots…spooky stuff!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        JeffH LOL!!!

  • http://none nick beck

    shakey was right—kill the lawyers

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.
      • Karolyn

        Thanks for the vid, Tom. One of my all-time favorite bands, and they’re as good as ever!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Well this one must be yer fav Babydoll! Some church sheeple will try to tell you that the Eagles music is Satanic! And the song “Hotel California” in particular has esoteric meaning! I as an expotaholic rock ‘n’ roller, now wanna be pracher of sorts, will tell you that Don Henley did A LOT of preachin’ to the choir!!! Songs like the one just mentioned, “Lyin’ Eye”s, “The Last Resort”, etc. were all songs that were pointin’ out the social ills of our society! Don’t get me wrong, Henley had his demons also, but don’t we all Bob?! I was workin’ on a job site back in those days and this old black guy who always wore a hard hat that was covered in Scripture verses was sittin’ with me at lunch and I had My radio jammin’ to “Hotel California”, I looked at him and he was DEEP into the words, all of a sudden, he jumps up and shouts “Hey! That man is preachin’!!! I don’t know who he’s preachin’ to, but that man is preachin’!”. Now I was as lost as you back in those days Karlolyn, but I wasn’t the NASTY type if ya catch my drift, I was one of those self-righteous 2nd generation flower children. You know, love, peace and chicken grease, sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ roll, and anything else that I figured wasn’t no mortal sin. (All sin is mortal!!!) “He’s preachin to us all Buddy!” was my reply! Here’s ya a play list to see what I mean! The last one is especially for you Karlolyn!!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYf4kqnAWos
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRw-8zlB9lM&feature=related

        This my ALL-TIME fav! A little history lesson;
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE1pMLkwLKU&feature=related

        And this one is just for you Karlolyn! If ya listen closely, ya can almost hear the war drums!!!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVXqocPAz1k&feature=related

        Come to the river Karlolyn, the water is so refreshing! It makes ALL things NEW!!!
        “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.” – II Cor. 5:17 (KJV)

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kivk_CJFng

        And I also must share this with you, my dad was one of my best friends although he was a PURE C&W fan. You know one of those who liked both kinds of music, country and western! LOL!!! I was a straight up rock ‘n’ roller, we never had no common ground music wise until the Eagles! What a BLESSING they were! My dad was also the one from whom I learned most of my bad habits. I just added a few of my own!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        But don’t you feel like a hypocrite while you”re singin’ along Karlolyn? I mean he’s singin’ against ALL the things you so zealously defend! LOL!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        It sure does, Tom. Good tune!

  • Leo

    What is really needed is a “loser pays” law. Then the scum like this (includes their lawyer) woould have to think twice before filing the suit. It would also help get more smart (quick tounged) lawyers on the defense side (money talks).

  • hooder

    Well written and is nothing but the truth.

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      We wouldn’t expect anything less from our Ben! I told ya, he’s da MAN!!!

  • Floridian in Costa Rica

    Great read Ben, fun and informative! I have been in three juries, each time some of the jury members seemed so clueless as to what was actually going on. Anyway I would like to know what is the judge’s responsibility is? Why can’t a judge throw out a frivolous law suit and charge the accusing attorney court costs and attorney fees?

    Robert smith – I’m for companies/corporations making money… lot’s of money! It is the American dream! There is nothing ethically wrong as long as they do so morally and treat their employees with decency. McDonalds is a great company with great food and great jobs – everyone wins. It is your choice to go as often as you want and eat those calories, if employed to stay or advance to another job when your experience and abilities proves you are worthy.

  • Tom Cook

    Ben, you are right: there are too many lawyers and too many who are lowlifes like John Edwards, but it is the fact that he is a democrat and liberal that makes him a trashbag lawyer. My oldest son just graduated from law school as did my daughter’s fiance. I have two best friends and numerous friends who are lawyers–I am an M.D., D.M.D. surgeon. The stupids who mindlessly say kill the lawyers are no better than the occupiers who say kill all the businessmen. They are the cowpatties on the soles of elitist liberal feet and would be crushed by the liberals who like Pol Pot would destroy all of the educated successful people like the ignorant savage rabble did in the French Revolution. The real enemies of freedom are all of the proles wanting and grasping for something from the hands of those who are smart and work hard.

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      I also wouldn’t want to be a doctor who withheld their God given talents from the sick poor because of their inability to pay!!! You need to change your name sir!

      Matthew 25:31-46
      King James Version (KJV)

      31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
      32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
      33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
      34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
      35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
      36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
      37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
      38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
      39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
      40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
      41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
      42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
      43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
      44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
      45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
      46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

  • Elizabeth Sloot

    Oh, so if a corporation makes money it is all right to sue? Where does the responsibility of the person who is sueing come in? The woman who sued McDonalds had a responsibity not to place the coffee in her lap while driving. That makes her to blame, not McDonalds.

    • Bobseeks

      True, but lawyers have tried to make our society one where no one is responsible for his or her own actions. They are trying to establish as law the principle that if someone is hurt for any reason, someone has to pay. The biggest problem is we have turned the law over to lawyers and judges – two of the most corrupt groups in our country. It is time to take their power away from them.

      • nc

        BOBSEEKS, You love the Constitution? The Constitution allows for redress of injuries through the courts? It does NOT say see BOBSEEKS or any other wingnut citizen for permission or approval!
        YOU WANT TO TAKE THE “POWER” AWAY FROM THE LAWYERS AND JUDGES?? FINE!! HIRE A GOOD LAWYER AND TAKE IT BEFORE A JUDGE!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        To understand the mindset of the barister better, one must understand the history of the lawyer section of London in Jolly Ole’!!!

        http://www.controverscial.com/An%20esoteric%20guide%20to%20visiting%20London.htm

      • 45caliber

        Bob:

        Some years ago I was told of a law that was passed in the late 1700s – after the US was a nation. Many judges were ruling (like the British judges did) without regard for the law. Their judgements were determined solely by their acquaintence with those in court.

        The new law stated that if you felt that your Constitutional rights were ignored, you had a chance of redress. You would make three copies of a letter addressed to the judge, informing him that you felt your rights had been ignored in his decision and requested him to explain why your rights had not been ignored or that he would correct that problem. You would take the copies to the County Clerk who would notorize them. He would then send one copy on to the judge, who had 30 days to reply.

        If the judge did reply, you had a chance to argue the matter, before another judge if necessary. If, however, he ignored the letter you would go back to the County Clerk who would make a statement on the bottom of the second letter that the judge hadn’t replied. Then you would take it to the County Sheriff. The sheriff was required, by federal law, to collect $100,000 from the judge to reward you for the judge’s failure to honor your rights. (Note that this amount was in about 1785! It would be worth millions now!) The law even specified in what order the sheriff was to collect the money. He could take EVERYTHING the judge owned, including the clothing he wore EXCEPT for his wedding ring. It eliminated all lawyers and judges from any decision on purpose.

        A group in Texas called the Patriots had discovered this law. They used it against a judge in Houston who would put people in jail for claiming their Constitutional rights had been violated. The judge insisted that only he could decide law in his court. Not the Constitution, not Congress, not the state – only him.

        I’ve never heard that this law has been repealed since Congress didn’t want the people of the US to know about it. I wonder if it is still a legal law…

  • Rebecca

    There once was a plane crash here in the city where I live. The only survivor was an attorney. The reason he lived? No slot available in hell that day.

    But seriously folks….I spent 10 years of my childrearing years at the little league ball park. I’ve been hit by flying baseballs, had my car window smashed by flying baseballs and the logical solution is this…if you don’t want to get hit don’t go to the ballpark or at least learn to dodge.

    • Deerinwater

      Have you ever been hit in the Kisser? ~ I would agree with you, if you sit ring side expect some blood and sweat coming your way.

      I’m not certain that what happen here, the merit of the case are not being offered.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        FINALLY!!! I thought you were going to sleep ALL day! LOL!!!

  • Jim Williamson

    As the article points out, by suing Mathew the Lloyd’s have inflicted both monetary and psychological damages on him and his family. If they win, they get paid. If they lose, their only risk is the lawyer’s time on the case. So assuming a given percentage of losses and wins, over the long run, the sue-er’s side wins; not unlike the way the House at the casino always wins in the long run. The problem with this system is the sue-er and her attorney have nothing to lose. People would be much less likely to sue over such trivial matters if their loss required them to pay damages and all expenses to the parties they sued. And lawyers would be much less willing to take such trivial lawsuits if they were required to pay the defendant’s attorney fees.

    • 45caliber

      I agree. But that’s why the lawyers don’t want that to be done.

  • rb

    Simple solution that no one seems to be willing to take on. Probably because most of our politicians are lawyers first. Loser pays. The loser in the lawsuit pays all costs for the the winner, court costs….everything! That would at least take care of the lawyers who file numerous lawsuits every day hoping just one will settle out of court and pay them a good living for being a leach. When there is no risk why not go after the free money. Oh wait, that would put too many lawyers out of business and free up our courts for legitimate purposes. What on earth was I thinking!

    • 45caliber

      Dan Quail once gave a speech to the American Bar Association. In it he specified three things that needed to be done to control the court suits. The first was to put a maximum penalty price to law suits. The second was to make losers pay the court and law fees costs of the winner. I forgot off hand what the third items was. He was almost riden out of town on a rail since all there had made their living by suing. Most damage suits will pay the actual costs and a penalty cost. The penalty cost might be in the millions. With the loser NOT paying the costs, most frivilous cases are settled out of court for a few thousand dollars, which pays the plaintiff to sue. If it actually went to trial the plaintiff would lose – but wouldn’t have to pay anything even to his own lawyer (who is pay 1/3 to 1/2 of the money won) while the victim would have to pay everything. If the loser had to pay, no one would sue for stupid reasons.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        P-O-T-A-T-O!!! NO E! LOL!!!

  • Liberty for All

    For the record, the context of the Shakespeare line was not that lawyers should be killed because they were evil, but that lawyers should be killed because they would be the ones to oppose government overreach. As Dominic says above, ‘lawyers are the last bastion of the police state.’ While many lawyers are deserving of scorn, a lot of them are doing some of the most important work in the fight for liberty. Don’t be surprised if the supposedly evil ACLU is your strongest ally in future fights. They end up on the right side more often than conservatives like to acknowledge. They were even on the right side of Citizens United.

  • Doctor Mom

    And speaking of lawyers…why is there so little said about the reasons neither Ms nor Mr O has a license to practice law, even tho they are both lawyers?

    • Deerinwater

      What would you like to hear said?

      • Doctor Mom

        What I would like “said” is why each of them no longer have a license to practice law.
        As an MD with 7 years of training, if I no longer had a license to practice medicine, folks would ask “why?’ Did I do something very wrong? Was I convicted of malpractice? Did I break the law in some significant way?
        Why the Os lose their licenses??

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      I could be wrong but if Dr. Corsi’s book “The Obama Nation” is correct, I’d say it had to do with an illegal real-estate deal that the two of them concocted with their FRIEND, one of the South Sides biggest slum lords, Tony Rezko. Something to do with the zoning of a vacant lot ajacent to their Chicago home.

      http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2011/11/25/obamas-pal-tony-rezko-who-got-him-shady-land-deal-gets-10-12-years-in-jail-media-silent/

  • Deerinwater

    This Lady is a well know New Jersey photographer and the extent of injury to her face is not clear. At 45 did it kill and discolor her teeth? Who knows?

    A half million?

    Chances are it was a lob ball and not much “heat” applied to it, by a 11 years old, it didn’t come off a bat. Still, that would hurt and do damage.

    Well, that is what our court systems are for. ~ right?

    This will affect all organized sports and insurance companies with this legal search for liabilities.

    Where one waives ones rights at such an event or someone accept liability, the courts will decide.

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      Do you know why our church will not build a playground for the kiddies?! LAWYERS!!! You see a lot of that these days, nothing for the kids to play on because everyone is scared to death of a law suit!

  • Stephen

    Unfortunately, the remember about the number of idiotic people in the jury pool, happens to be so true. I know this from personal experience. I said on a jury years back (the first jury I had ever sat on) and it was a civil lawsuit type. Having to do with contract law. There were six of us. The other five had no idea what was going on. I ended up explaining the basics of contract law to them. I ask them how many had credit cards, they all did. I said well you signed a contract when you got your credit card. But they all had this glazed look in their eyes. Finally one of them asked me how I was going to vote. I told them the case against the party being sued had not been made. They actually voted the way I told them, too. And that was a sad day to me!

    • 45caliber

      At least they listened to you. A friend served on a jury trying an injury suit. There was a train car (flatbed) with telephone poles. The poles were banded together, they were set between uprights to keep them from rolling off, and they were chained to the rail car. A man where I worked went out (without orders) and removed all the restraints. He testified that he tried several things to get them to roll off the car including jumping up and down on top of them. Finally he found a timber hook and rolled a bottom pole off on top of himself. Others then rolled off onto him too.

      Because it happened at work, he was placed on Workman’s Comp even though he had done this without permission, etc. He was ruled an invalid and all medical expenses were covered and he received a check he was to get the rest of his life. A lawyer convinced him to sue the company that provided the poles for not sercuring them well enough to prevent this “accident”. The jury my friend was on only needed a partial jury to find the company guilty. My friend tried to convince them that it was his own fault – and all agreed. But the rest decided that he deserved the money since he was hurt and “the company has plenty of money and can spare some”. They awarded him $150,000. The insurance got one third to cover their costs for medical treatment and he lost all Workman’s comp. Further, the lawyer got one third. He received $50,000 to do him the rest of his life. The only one who benefited was the lawyer.

  • Wit Wisniewski

    It gets worse. Rapists sue their victims. Burglars sue home owners who they robbed because they got hurt there while committing the crime. I hear of dog owners being sued by home invaders because the dog bit them defending the property. Such is the system we label “Justice”.

    • 45caliber

      Wit:

      True story. This happened to a friend of mine. He has a large dog for his kids. It can jump his fence but don’t while he is home. When he is not home, he chains it to a tree in his yard to prevent it from getting out.

      He came home one day to find where someone had plowed into the fence with a vehicle. The dog was running loose but was still on the chain. He called the police – who told him the following.

      A man driving by saw the dog and decided it would make a good dog to enter in dog fights (illegal). He deliberately ran his truck into the fence to knock it down so he could get in. Then he unchained the dog from the tree. The dog wouldn’t follow him, so he began to whip the dog with the loose end of the chain. The dog finally got mad and bit the man who jumped in his car and left. He went to the police and wanted to file a complaint so he could sue my friend. Instead, after hearing his story (he told all of it) the police arrested him for damage to private property and attempted theft. The thief didn’t think that was a bit fair. So far he hasn’t found a lawyer stupid enough to take the case.

    • nc

      Wit, is there a “system” of justice that you would like imperfect humans to oversee? WE could have a system of “justice” that chops off hands of children for stealing! Stones to death women that their husbands don’t trust! Jerks you around because you don’t follow the “majority” religion that you don’t adhere to! There are a lot of “systems” other than ours!
      I was connected to the court system for 35 years and juries and/or eIected judges got it “right” in my opinion well over 95% of the time! It was not always “swift” nor was it always popular but it was about as good as imperfect humans can get it! In other words, our system ,while not always perfect, beats h*ll out of the system in second place! It always need minor adjustments but NEVER REPLACEMENT?

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        If it wasn’t for the corruption and the lack of justice for the poor, ours would be the model system! Justice has become for sale in this country! You go back to the old Jewish laws in the Old Testament and impartiality was STRESSED!!! The taking of bribes severely condemned! I’d say that it wasn’t too much of a problem because if ya got caught;

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xcbog3QGis&feature=related

      • Robert Rashbrooke

        What about the death penalty moratorium in some state(s) due to innocence of the people incarcerated there?

        What about the Texas 26, found guilty on the subsequently discovered lies of a paid informant who the judge in the case refused to either retrial or release?

        What about defence lawyers being allowed to propose totally ficticious stories to try to show innocence on the part of guilty defendents?

        The judicial system is corrupt and is supported by judges, prosecuters and defence lawyers for their own gratification. I personally don’t happen to think it is the best in the world – it’s probably no better than many other systems, though a lot better than that operated in some dictatorial countries

    • boyscout

      Wrongo – we label it Law, from which justice may or may not follow. Unfortunately, that notion is immaterial to our courts – but nicely portrayed in the form of a blindfolded statue.

  • Bryan

    Omg I actually grew up in that crappy town, I have since moved out of the communist state of NJ. This is a sad example of the dirt bags at the top who do this kind of thing to the American people! Liberals are poison to this country! They have ruined that state and the whole north east! Now the whole country is getting a taste of the evil these people spew. We have to have a loser pays cost system like most other countries. Until we do, this type of thing is going to just keep getting worse! And Ofcourse get rid of king dirtbag in the white house!

    • Karolyn

      I was born and raised in NJ and would seriously consider moving back if I could afford it. I will always stick up for my home state. (although Manchester Twp. is probably considered more to be in South Jersey, which is a different state.). No matter where you live, it’s only as good as YOU make it.

      • uvuvuv

        when we get a good repub economy back you can afford it

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        A Joizy girl huh?! One of my fav performers performing one of my fav tunes on my Bday in Giants Stadium in 2009, cause down on the shore everything’s all right!!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD209EEwY88&feature=related

        Now back to Rev. Henley!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xezg3z5IE8I

        Someone to be kind to, I’ve been searchin’ too and everytime I think maybe, WRONG!!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmmWJBwxvz0

        But oh well, that how it goes!

        “Work like ya don’t need the money, love like ya never been hurt, and dance like nobody’s watchin’!” – Satchel Paige, old Negro and Major League Hall of Fame pitcher, satch wasn’t known for his eloquence on the mound but for his tenasity and longevity, striking out major league greats well into his late 50′s!!! One of my folk heros!

  • uvuvuv

    but this is survival of the fittest, is it not. per supreme court directive kids have been taught evolution in school, that they really came from gorillas, baboons or apes (they’re still working on which one, stay tuned), and that one must dominate or die. so they graduate (after cheating and plagiarizing) and become lawyers, bankers, senators, mbas and executives and all of a sudden they’re supposed to be altruistic?

    • 45caliber

      uv:

      Isn’t there a group of people from each of those? The ones decended from gorillas are the sport jocks. Those from baboons all go on to be lawyers and politicians. And those from apes are the clowns in Hollywood…

    • uvuvuv

      but then where do the chimpanzees fit in?

  • sabulaman

    99% of lawyers give the remaining lawyers a bad reputation.
    Good article Ben.

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      You’re 100% right on sabulaman!!!

    • nc

      Sabulman, It is the Smart Lawyers that create more “law suits”, not the bad dumb ones!! The smart ones see more legal issues than the dumber ones and bring legal actions to correct the “wrong”!! THAT CREATES THE “OTHER SIDE”! which may include several or many parties! Each party is entitled to represented by a lawyer!
      If that party had not had access to the “smart lawyer” none of this may have happened ! The dumber one might never have seen the “issue’!!
      What does that say about Democrat lawyers and the system if the smart lawyer was a Republican who stirred up this mess?? The 1% Good Guys’ you refer to who make much business for the other 99%!!!!!!
      I would rather have our present system with safeguards from frivilous lawsuits than a system WHERE SOME PERSON OR GROUP gets to name “the good guys” who can bring suits and what suits they can bring!!!!

    • boyscout

      TYVM. I’m keeping this one to use later.

  • uvuvuv

    when i deliver papers i have to dodge or step over the tangled hoses on the sidewalks in the dark and there are other hazards like those ubiquitous flower pots or solar lights etc. i would gladly get myself “hurt” from one of these obstacles and then settle for 50,000 but i wouldn’t want to lay there until i’m discovered by the homeowner while the rest of the papers still have to be delivered. but this case at the ballpark, she obviously had the leisure time available to protest her injury, and proceeded to do that, but if she had an appt to get her nails done or if she was anxious to get home to see if her people magazine had come or if she was meeting her lezzie friend on the side, then she would have thrown the ball back and quietly left.

  • Adam F. Kohler

    I hope she gets nothing!

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    A man phones a lawyer and asks, “How much would you charge for just answering three simple questions?”

    The lawyer replies, “A thousand dollars.”

    “A thousand dollars!” exclaims the man. “That’s very expensive isn’t it?”

    “It certainly is,” says the lawyer. “Now, what’s your third question?”

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      LOL!!! SIC ‘EM Jay!!!

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    This is supposedly a TRUE news story. I have my doubts, but you decide….

    A lawyer in Charlotte, NC purchased a box of very rare and expensive cigars, then insured them against fire among other things.

    Within a month, having smoked his entire stockpile of these great cigars and without yet having made even his first premium payment on the policy, the lawyer filed a claim with the insurance company.

    In his claim, the lawyer stated the cigars were lost “in a series of small fires.” The insurance company refused to pay, citing the obvious reason: that the man had consumed the cigars in the normal fashion.

    The lawyer sued….and won! In delivering the ruling the judge agreed with the insurance company that the claim was frivolous. The judge stated nevertheless, that the lawyer held a policy from the company in which it had warranted that the cigars were insurable and also guaranteed that it would insure them against fire, without defining what is considered to be “unacceptable fire,” and was obligated to pay the claim.

    Rather than endure lengthy and costly appeal process, the insurance company accepted the ruling and paid $15,000.00 to the lawyer for his loss of the rare cigars lost in the “fires.”

    But… After the lawyer cashed the check, the insurance company had him arrested
    on 24 counts of ARSON!

    With his own insurance claim and testimony from the previous case used against him, the lawyer was convicted of intentionally burning his insured property and was sentenced to 24 months in jail and a $24,000.00 fine.

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      LOL!!! Yeah I got that in a email also Bro!

    • 45caliber

      It definately sounds like a lawyer! True case: A lawyer in Texas about 20 years ago saw an ad for a house – 1600 square feet. (it was 40 by 40 – outside dimensions). He bought it and then measured the inside of each room, minus the walls. It came out less than 1600 feet so he sued – and got the house free and clear. Today all ads say “APPROXIMATELY …sq. ft.”.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        LOL!!! And they wonder why people hate ‘em!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        What an SOB!

  • Old Henry

    That’s the problem. You have 99% of lawyers giving the other 1% a bad name.

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      You OH are also 100% correct! LOL!!! You should always start at the beginning! What are you doing, following Deer?! LOL!!!

    • 45caliber

      Exactly!

  • 45caliber

    While I agree that there are good lawyers out there, I still think we should simply kill all of them and start over.

    I heard a couple of months ago that the US has 3% of the world’s population. But … we have over 50% of the world’s population of lawyers. That seems a little unfair to me. We should at least ship about 80% of them to other countries like China and Russia so they can experience the joy of lawsuits too.

    • Kathy Greene

      Actually, part of the problem is that we do not have a “system of justice” – we have a “system of case law” wherein the results of a lawsuit are based on the results of similar. earlier lawsuits. “Justness” is not a consideration. And with corrupt Judges ruling for “friends” or their own interests, we see those cases cited getting further and further away from what would be considered just.

      Also, all this nonsense about who is more corrupt- liberal or conservative; republicans or democrats – WAKE UP!! We live in a one party system, designed to LOOK like two parties so that people THINK that they have choice. Both sides of this party are controlled by the same Bankser/NWO/prowar/fascist/thugs at the top. Witness that Goldman Sachs is the top donor to both Obama and to Romney. Romney has endorsed almost everything Obama has done. Those who “own” this planet don’t care which puppet wins- they know that THEY will be the true winners. So this going back and forth, back and forth between parties just means more of the same old, same old. You want to see the laws change? You want your freedoms back? Vote for the people the very owned media ignore! -Kathy

  • 45caliber

    What do you call a lawyer who has taken up sky diving?

    Skeet …

  • Steve L.

    Ahh the conservative version of things. Nevermind that its americans on the juries who deliver the guilty verdict. And the baseball case,just because this woman is bringing the lawsuit doesn’t mean she got a decision in her case. And the Mcdonald’s case, the women suffered third degree burns and $.10,500.00 dollars in medical bills that McDonald’s offered $800.00. The jury awarded the punitive damages because of McDonald’s of the matter. Third degree burns from a cup of coffee,clearly there was something wrong and the punitive damages were reduced and it wasn’t 3mill. But it makes great story. Where is the outrage by this guy for the conservative supreme court justices who voted for corporation to buy our elections in citizens united ??

  • Buck

    Hey ! Its easier than working for a living , at least thats the attitude of most of the lazy bums that call themselves Americans today .

  • KS Jeffersonian

    First, you need to recognize that most attorneys are not like those cited. There are bad apples in every barrel. Some doctors tailor their practice to maximize income, rather than serve their patients. The cardiologist that recently operated on my father complained bitterly about the young doctors who only care about money. Some mechanics and plumbers, etc pad their bills, to the detriment of their customers. Likewise, some attorneys who are more interested in money than in justice.

    Unfortunately, in law, the bad apples seem to get most of the attention, as their ambition leads them into the public spotlight. But no less than Abraham Lincoln stated “As a peacemaker the lawyer has a superior opportunity of being a good man.” I agree that many attorneys don’t do that, but there are more than most people recognize, and I would argue the level of the litigation is a symptom of our society as a whole. We have become very materialistic, with everyone thinking he or she should have everything he or she wants. It is unlikely that the attorney sought this woman out as a client. I would venture that she had to go to a significant number of attorneys to find one who would prosecute this claim. This woman saw a way to get money for nothing, and found someone to help he in that quest.

    Next, you should probably read the entire passage from Shakespeare. It is actually a tribute to the role attorneys play in preventing tyranny. It is Dick, the butcher who proposed to kill all of the lawyers. Dick is a follower of anarchist, Jack Cade, who Shakespeare described as “the head of an army of rabble and a demagogue pandering to the ignorant.” Jack sought to overthrow the government and install himself as a autocrat. Dick’s proposal to kill all the lawyers was in furtherance of Jack’s scheme. In other words, it would be necessary to kill all the lawyers, if Jack and his followers were to overthrow the government and make Jack the ruler.

    • RichE

      No one will believe you. I’ve come to the conclusion that the ‘spin’ is mightier than the ‘truth’ on this site.

      If it weren’t for Mr. Lloyd’s loss of pleasure I doubt this would have made the light of day.

      As for a solution. I think the government should pay the legal fees to insure the truth is not suppressed because of lack of funds and if the case is frivolous then file criminal charges.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        So your sayin’ that Mr. Lloyd brought on the suit because Mrs. Lloyd used the baseball in the kisser as an excuse not to give Mr. Lloyd any more special kisses? Am I gettin’ this straight?! LOL!!!

        • RichE

          No, not the Lloyds. My guess is Mr. Migliaco released it to get support and it took off because of the pleasure count.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Good luck trying to get anything straight from RichE, Tom. Go ahead and try it, and watch the doctor of spin, spin out of orbit. Its best just to let him drool…

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        GOOD lookin’ out Jay! LOL!!!

    • Jess

      Abraham Lincoln was the first president to break the constitution of the United States of America by declaring war on American citizens when they disagreed with him and tried to remove themselves from the union for financial reasons. When censered by the Supreme Court he ignored the fact that what he was dpoind was illegal and di it any way, he was the one that overroad states rights and started the path we are on today. Quit parotting what you were told in school as the history books are written by the victors and do some research on the causes and reasons for the civil war, it was about States Rights and the right of the people to determine their own destiny not about slavery or anything else. This is the true begining of where we are today with an out of control government that doen’t want to be put back into it’s cage and be forced to be limited as our founding fathers intended. What we need is a new revolution at the ballot box to throw all of the good old boys out and put common everyday people back into office with term limits so when they are through they have to good back out and live under the same laws they have passed fo0r the rest of us.

  • Bob

    I’m glad some one did tell the side of the lady who sued Micky D’s, but Mr Crystal should get his facts straight before using such an example in his article when the facts doo not fit his argument. The lady endured numerous surgeries to fix the damage caused by the BOILING coffee. She was urged by the emergency room Dr. to sue because this particular McDonalds had sent several people to the hospital by their practice of microwaving old coffee to the boiling point and serving it. They had been cited by the local health dept. for this practice. Get your facts straight before writing again Mr crystal. BOB

    • RichE

      Thank you for pointing out the facts regarding the McDonald’s hot coffee case. It amazes me what absurdities people will believe. It is absurd to believe a court would award that amount of money for what appears to be a whiney person but a little research reveals the truth, people would rather be spun than wise.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Just because the Health Dept. cited them for serving old micro waved coffee in the past, does not excuse the fact that she spilt the coffee on herself! Seen’s you two know the case, where was she when she alledgetly spilt the coffee on herself? Was she still in the parking lot or out in traffic. Because in my uneducated humble opinion, there’s NO way MackyD’s should be held responsible especially if she had left the premises! How did they determine what the temp. of the coffee at the time of the accident?! The only way that could’ve been done would have been to go back and measure the temp of the coffee at the restaurant!

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      Boob, Ben didn’t even bring up the MackyD case, your the one who needs to get their facts straight! You know you really should read the article before runnin’ your [offensive term removed]!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        My bad Bob! I should pay closer attention to what I read! I coulda swore that case was brought up later in the posts, it’s been a long lawyer bashin’ day! PTUUIEE!!! My foot tastes terrible! Again I apologize.

  • 45caliber

    A prominent lawyer died and went to heaven. When he arrived at the Pearly Gates, there was a big celebration going on. He asked St. Peter what the celebration was about.

    “It’s about you!” St. Peter told him. “After all, you are the oldest man who ever lived! You’ve been alive for over 1200 years!”

    “There must be some mistake,” the lawyer said. “I’m only 39. I was killed in a car wreck!”

    St. Peter said, “Let me look it up. Maybe there was a mistake made.” He turned to his big book.

    After a minute he sighed. “You are right,” he agreed. “We added up your billing hours rather than your birthdays. Sorry.”

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      I apologize about not posting this one yesterday, I thought about it, but got lost in the shuffle! LOL!!!

      An atheistic lawyer was laying on his death bed and asked his wife to bring him a Bible. “What?!!” she relied, “BRING ME A BIBLE! QUICK!!!” he demanded. She goes and finds one and when she hands it to him, he frantically starts going through it page by page! “Honey, WHAT are you doing?!!” she asked him… “I’M LOOKING FOR LOOP-HOLES!!!”

      Unfortunately the only loop-hole that exists is far too simple for that poor lawyer and MOST of the human race to accept! You simply admit that you ARE a sinner and accept the FREE gift of salvation that Christ purchased for you at Calvary, THAT’S IT!!! It’s THAT simple!

      “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” – Eph. 2:8&9 (KJV)

      Does that sound hard?!!

      “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” – Matt. 11:28-30 (KJV)

      The MOST important decission that you’ll EVER make in your life, is the decission that you make about that EMPTY tomb in Jerusalem!!!

  • nc

    Dear Mr. Livingston, you refered to me a “Democrat opposition research operative” I am a Democrat! I am in opposition to a lot of opinions I see here including some of yours and a lot of Ben Crystals. I do research for myself and for no organization including any element of the Democrat Party! I am completely retired and receive no wages from anyone or any source! I am NOT an “operative” for anyone’s views except for my own views! If they sound like Democrat views that could be because that is the decision I made 60 years ago and based upon the language of the Republican Platforms and the candidates who espoused them I have had no reason to change!!
    Since Mr. Crystal wrote this article on YOUR site,which had some harsh things to say about lawyers,paricularily trial lawyers who are or were Democrats, I thought it might be of interest to some readers that it is highly possible that Mr. Crystal had in the past retained the services of a DEMOCRAT TRIAL LAWYER! Having first hand knowlege of the sevices of a Democrat trial lawyer, I found it strange that Mr. Crystal did not base his judgment on that experience and report the results HERE !! Was he so good that Mr. Crystal could not mention that fact????
    Again, I ask! Did you know that Mr. Crystal had retained the services of a Democrat trial lawyer?

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear nc,

      You write: “I am a Democrat! I am in opposition to a lot of opinions I see here including some of yours and a lot of Ben Crystals.” Then why do you waste your time here? This site is for those who wish to learn something.

      You write: Since Mr. Crystal wrote this article on YOUR site,which had some harsh things to say about lawyers,paricularily (sic) trial lawyers who are or were Democrats, I thought it might be of interest to some readers that it is highly possible that Mr. Crystal had in the past retained the services of a DEMOCRAT TRIAL LAWYER!” I doubt it. I find it quite creepy that you would expend energy chasing down information on Ben Crystal’s private life. If you are not a Democrat opposition research operative, then you must be a stalker. Do you work for Brett Kimberlin? http://personalliberty.com/2012/06/04/who-is-brett-kimberlin-and-why-should-you-care/

      You write: “You write: “Again, I ask! Did you know that Mr. Crystal had retained the services of a Democrat trial lawyer?” I do not care.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • nc

        Dear Mr. Livingston, I thank you for your frank answer! We do sometimes overlook the actions of friends as opposed to others! Especialy if they make us money!
        You ask why I come here???
        I come here to learn also! I am not so naive as to think that I have all the answers for I have not yet heard all the questions! And they come from a lot of sources!
        You say this site is for those who wish to learn something but you seem to have some disdain for those who think and speak otherwise!
        If a group of people wanted to learn ONLY from those who agreed with them and they all thought the world was flat how and where would they have ever learned the truth!
        SCRATCHING EACH OTHERS BACKS ONLY MAKES US COMFORTABLE NOT WISER!

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear nc,

          You write: “I thank you for your frank answer!” Why would you expect anything else?

          You write: “We do sometimes overlook the actions of friends as opposed to others!” It apparently only makes a difference to you, and I can’t for the life of me understand why. Especially considering the effort expended and the mindset behind “exposing” Ben’s dark secret. If you are not a Democrat opposition research operative and are only doing this for “fun,” you really need a new hobby.

          You write: “I come here to learn also!” No, from your previous responses it is evident you come here ridicule, denigrate, dissemble, obfuscate, cast aspersions, hurl invective and spew ad hominems.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        All that I can say here is that I hope and pray that Ben’s dark secret doesn’t have anyting to do with that pink tie he was sportin’ a couple a weeks ago! LOL!!! Sorry Ben Bro, I couldn’t help myself! ;) Bob I know that we’ve had our differences about a couple of things (Mainly the way that I kinda lose civility sometimes when addressing some of the people with whom I disagree.) in the past. I do want you to know sir that I love your site! This is what makes this the GREATEST country on the face of the earth! Some of the posters on this site evidently disagree and all I can say to them is see ya! Don’t let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya!!! Our 1st amendment rights are our most precious and we’ll only remain a FREE country as long as we are willing to fight for those rights even for the ones with whom we disagree the most! the FREE exchange of ideas is what sets us apart from the rest of the world. The only way the US should even consider global government is one anchored in our principles of Liberty and Justice for ALL! Anything else is a GIANT leap backwards!!! Our system is far from perfect and at the same time FAR ahead of the rest of the world.! We are still a work in progress!!!
        Kudos to you and your entire staff, even Wayne LOL!!! Keep your eyes on the skies, JESUS IS COMIN’! He LOVES y’all and so do I!!!

        Keep your eye on Syria Bob! One of the unfulfilled prophecies in the old testament calls for the overnight destruction of the world’s oldest inhabited city!!!

        Isaiah 17
        King James Version (KJV)

        1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
        2 The cities of Aroer are forsaken: they shall be for flocks, which shall lie down, and none shall make them afraid.
        3 The fortress also shall cease from Ephraim, and the kingdom from Damascus, and the remnant of Syria: they shall be as the glory of the children of Israel, saith the Lord of hosts.
        4 And in that day it shall come to pass, that the glory of Jacob shall be made thin, and the fatness of his flesh shall wax lean.
        5 And it shall be as when the harvestman gathereth the corn, and reapeth the ears with his arm; and it shall be as he that gathereth ears in the valley of Rephaim.
        6 Yet gleaning grapes shall be left in it, as the shaking of an olive tree, two or three berries in the top of the uppermost bough, four or five in the outmost fruitful branches thereof, saith the Lord God of Israel.
        7 At that day shall a man look to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel.
        8 And he shall not look to the altars, the work of his hands, neither shall respect that which his fingers have made, either the groves, or the images.
        9 In that day shall his strong cities be as a forsaken bough, and an uppermost branch, which they left because of the children of Israel: and there shall be desolation.
        10 Because thou hast forgotten the God of thy salvation, and hast not been mindful of the rock of thy strength, therefore shalt thou plant pleasant plants, and shalt set it with strange slips:
        11 In the day shalt thou make thy plant to grow, and in the morning shalt thou make thy seed to flourish: but the harvest shall be a heap in the day of grief and of desperate sorrow.
        12 Woe to the multitude of many people, which make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters!
        13 The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind.
        14 And behold at eveningtide trouble; and before the morning he is not. This is the portion of them that spoil us, and the lot of them that rob us.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhnPVP23rzo

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Kinda reminds me of a juvenile tattle-tale, na, na na , na, na! LMMFAO!!! BOOB!

        • Jeff

          When do you have your first beer in the morning and what brand do you guzzle?

  • Millie

    News TV just reported a man was arrested because he threw his french fries at his daughter (who was NOT injured) in a fast food restaurant . He was charged with felonious assault with a deadly weapon. Now we know where the police are while it takes a half hour, or longer, for them to arrive when someone is calling 911 while being murdered. I just pray the presiding judge will laugh hilariously at this arrest and at lawsuits like above, tell them to stop wasting his/her time and throw them and the case out.

    • RichE

      It amazes me how quickly you Christians pass judgment. The 26 year old male, who throw the fries at his eleven year step daughter, has anger issues.

      • Millie

        Hi RichE,
        Hmmm…how do you know my religious beliefs, or lack thereof? No denying the man has anger issues, which belong in a family counselor’s office, not necessarily in a courtroom, unless he is using something sturdier than french fries.

        • RichE

          How do I know your religious beliefs? It’s not that hard, probably Methodist.

          • Jeff

            I understand a Methodist is a Baptist who can read.

          • RichE

            Jeff,
            LOL More, more! What’s a Buddhist?

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        Enjoy your eternal swim RichE, you won’t be strokin’, you’ll be smokin’! See ya, wouldn’t want to be ya!!! NO LOL! We don’t judge you, God’s Holy Word judges you!!!

        “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” – John 3:16-21 (KJV)

        “Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;” – Hebrews 2:1-3 (KJV)

  • RightGunner

    Ben, you mentioned the case: “the granddaddy of all idiotic lawsuits would be the infamous case in which a woman sued McDonald’s after she spilled hot coffee in her lap and burned herself”. Some of us heard the case differently. We heard that she thought the coffee wasn’t hot enough, and put it between her legs to warm it up.

    • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

      Right Gunner,

      http://legal-forms-kit.com/dumbest-things-said.htm
      Dumbest Things Ever Said In Court. The following questions were actually asked by real-life lawyers and are taken from … Witness: Sure, I played for ten years.

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      That don’t even make no sense RightGunner! PLEASE!!!

  • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

    A Obama joke,
    Obama, McCain and All Hillary Die And Go To Heaven
    John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama all die and go to heaven. God looks down from his throne and asks McCain, “Do you think you deserve to be in heaven?”

    McCain takes a breath and then replies, “Well, I think so because I was a great leader and tried to follow the words in your great book.” God looks down and then says, “You can sit to my left side.”

    So, McCain takes his seat and then God asks the same question to Hillary, “Do you think you deserve to be in heaven?” Hillary thinks for a second and then replies, “I think so because I have been fighting for the rights of so many people for so long.” God again looks down and this time says, “You can sit to my right side.”

    Finally God turns to Barack Obama and asks, “Do you think you deserve to be in heaven?”
    Obama smiled and replied, “I think you’re in my seat.”

    A Closing Note From Jay Leno
    “Barack Obama gave a big speech on race, and there was one heckler in the audience, kept screaming crazy stuff the whole time. Turns out it was his pastor.”

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      AMERICA’S CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST! LOL!!! Sic ‘em cm!!! NO MERCY!

  • nc

    Dear Mr. Livingston, you say to me “you come here (to) ridicule,denigrate,dissemble,cast dispersions, hurl invective and spew ad hominems.”
    Did you read Ben’s column today? Did you see any of those bad things in his diatribe of dispersions against attorneys doing what they were paid to do and BOUND BY OUR CONSTITUTION to do or lose their right to practice their chosen profession!?
    I really think that impartial adults would find more of the bad things you accuse me of doing in Crystal’s character assassination of OJ’s attorneys!
    Being paid to say things does not relieve one of the responsibility of speaking the truth ESPECIALLY HERE where TRUTH (?) IS SO VALUED AND PRACTICED(?) !!
    UNLESS ONLY YOUR BOY BEN GETS THE FREE RIDE TO HURL INVECTIVES AND SPEW AD HOMINEMS! JUST ASKING!!

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      nc you an old boob! I somehow believe that to defend someone you know is guilty is a travesty of Justice! Yet a lawyer who pulls this off garners only more fame and money!!! Now I’m not saying that he was guilty because I truly believe that OJ was in the position to piss off the WRONG person. A person with the POWER to set him up in such a way as to make his guilt seem obvious. Let’s face it there are those types out there, especially amongst the rich and famous. But to me, OJ was guilty as guilty can get, just because the gloves didn’t fit, I don’t know but I thought his guilt was obvious!!! But Johnnie got him off and went on to become one of the most powerful and weathy attorneys in the land. If that’s what it takes to become a successful lawyer in the grand scheme of things, getting the GUILTY aquitted, I believe shows a very SERIOUS flaw in our system! How is getting the guilty set free JUSTICE?!! How is an innocent person being found guilty simply because they couldn’t afford to fight the system JUSTICE?!! I don’t know where or when it happened but somewhere we took a wrong turn somehow! Getting the guilty aquitted and sending the innocent to jail is not JUSTICE!!!

      • nc

        Tom W., The American people demanded a system that guaranteed them a trial by their peers with the right to counsel! That is what they got!
        Under that system SOME attorney was going to represent OJ Simpson, either a hired one or an appoined one! Under the oaths of either kind, that attorney(s) was bound to give his the best defense available to him. I think any person being tried would want and expect no less!
        Attorneys are not required to ask their clients if they are guilty and under “that old rag”, the Constitution, a defendant, regardless of what his attorney may think best, is entitled to a plea of not guilty and/or take the stand and testify ,in ALL CASES, ESPECIALLY IN CAPITAL CASES WHERE HIS LIFE IS IN JEOPARDY! If you love the Constitution and it’s amendments and want it protected, this is what we get!!
        If there is a better system I would like to hear WHO was going to pronounce the guilt or innocence of the defendants! Some secretely biased judge???

  • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

    Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws.
    Plato

    Good men must not obey the laws too much.
    Ralph Waldo Emerson

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      “The moral arc of the universe bends at the elbow of justice.” – Martin Luther King, Jr.

  • swampfox

    Wish I could sue Obama for forcing me to deal with his obsessive stupidity for 4 years now,having to listen to his unending mindnumbing senseless babbling everytime he opens his mouth.

    • Jeff

      Absolutely. Send me $100,000 and I’ll demonstrate how you can turn off your TV and the scary, scary Black man will never bother you again.

      • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

        A penny for your thoughts Jeff, because believe me, that’s MORE than they’re worth!!!

  • SD Jim

    Has any one thought that she may have planed the whole thing. in reading it really seem that she purposely sat on the bench where the poor 11 year old was working on his pitch, if I was the judge I would throw it out of cort in a heart beat…..I think it was all a set up and she should not get a dime out of it, so if she does all the 11 year olds will be running the town and spraying any thing they can or will be out breaking into home to steal so they can hock what erver they can at a pawn shop….this is truly an outrage for it to continue would be horrible,,,

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      Not only that SD Jim, but the MackyD’s case smells like a week old Big Mac also! I wonder if the lady who sued them knew any of the officials who had cited that particular McDonalds for their microwaved coffee scam?! Just sayin’!

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Did you know that 98% of the Law Schools in America and England do not include Constitutional Law as a part of their law curriculum?

    The reason for this phenomenon is because Constitutional Law does not apply to or affect the enforcement of statutes, codes or administrative regulations, which have replaced constitutional law, the common law, public law and penal law and which have been designed to control you; [e.g.]

    Constitutional Law is taught as an elective at Harvard, Yale and Cambridge, and only for students of law who are planning a future career in government.

    This should make sense to you as you read on.

    http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=130&contentid=9559&page=2

    • Jake Goode

      That’s nonsense. All law schools teach constitutional law in the USA, because it is a subject tested on all state bar exams. You’re blatantly misinforming people. ALL LAW STUDENTS MUST TAKE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW IN THE USA.

      As for the rest of the world, they teach Constitutional Law in Hong Kong (an English common law system), so your theory seems to fall apart.

      Funny when I click on your blog, I see another 98% statistic: “Ninety-eight percent of the officials in public office are lawyers…” Like the number 98, eh? Can you back up your statistics? I say 100% of what you say is BS, and you like conspiracy theories more than the truth.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Can you, back up what you say, Jake?

      • Jeff

        It’s like Rick Santorum claiming they don’t teach US History at the University of California. What they don’t teach is fictional history that someone like Santorum might recognize as history. You know, how Ronald Reagan and John Wayne won WWII all by themselves or George Washington was a fundamentalist Christian.

      • Jeff

        I think Jay would like you to produce the course catalogues for every law school in the U.S.
        All you have to do, Jay, is look it up on the google machine.

    • RichE

      Jay,
      Hmmm, if that were true then why need a Congress whose job is to write laws?

  • Jess

    The Constitution as it was written by our forefathers isn’t that hard to understand but the amendments, as written by our representatives, takes a scholar to interpret as they are made to be very obtruse and full of legalese. The founders of this country wanted the constitution to be read and understood by the people that it was to apply to, common everyday citizens and although it was a document ment for the ages and the people that wrote it were very intelligent and forward thinking, they still wanted the citizens to be able to read and understand it as it laid out a system of a small central government overseen by the states and the citizens of the country. The lawyers of recent vintage want it so nobody without a law degree is able to read and interpret what they have written making everything so obtruse that they even have a hard time knowing what they have passed into law. As Pelosi said they had to pass Obama Care in order to find out what was in it, and that about sums it up, they no longer care what we the people think they are going to do as they darn well please, 80% of the people said NO to Obama Care the they said yes and that we could take it or be declared criminals if we didn’t like it. So much for the constitution and the small central goverment that the founding fathers envisioned.

    • http://gravatar.com/dawgbisquit1 Tom W.

      Concider the sourse Jess!!!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtCNDx5FiLk

      Yeah I know it’s STUPIT, but I LOVE it! LMMFAO!!!

    • Jeff

      What amendments are you talking about? Most are pretty simple. What gets complicated is applying general principles to real world situations, like what constitutes interstate commerce. Plus the Constitution includes all the decisions over the past 200 years interpreting it.

  • skb

    Wow… Great writing. I like the way you think!

  • Jeff

    All we need is Jerry Springer and a fat woman to fight with Tom!

  • http://www.studio259photography.com Tim
  • Chester

    The funny thing about our constitution is that it WAS written by lawyers, as nearly every man at that convention had at least read some law, and a number of them had actually practiced. They intentionally kept the language simple, as they had knowledge of the English common laws, which were relatively easy to understand. They also knew the history behind why a lot of the English laws were written in what looks almost like doublespeak. It seems that the laws had to make sense not only to those who spoke only English, but French and German as well. The trouble with so many of the laws being written today is that the authors are trying to follow the Old English principle of making it so all can understand, and in the process making it so none can understand. Many times not even the authors of a law can read and understand what comes out of the house and senate and is sent to the President for his signature.

  • smitty

    I agree with your premise on frivolous lawsuits, but disagree that an 11 year old cannot throw a wicked fast ball. You need to watch some little league games.

  • http://gravatar.com/seniorconservative seniorconservative

    If BHO gets reelected all of this rhetoric is moot. In a socialist society there is no Constitution of, for or by the people. Such is the scenario bozo BHO is leading us to. WAKE UP America. ABO 2012

    • Jeff

      Senior:

      Conservatives have been against every social advance since 1900: food safety, worker safety, mine safety, minimum wage, social security, medicare, environmental protection, civil rights, gay rights, and now health care for the uninsured/uninsurable. Which of these would you now like to repeal since I’m sure your preferred candidates have likely opposed these things over the past 50+ yars?

  • Jeff

    Does anyone here actually KNOW anything about this case? What are her injuries? Who, exactly, is she suing? It’s really easy to have opinions when no facts are understood.

  • Thomas Gunn

    This is an example of one of the unintended consequences of “risk avoidance”. Our system; which permits ambulance-chasing lawyers to file suits on behalf of clients; on a contingency basis; essentially removes any risk or accountability on the part of such a plaintiff, in even pursuing such frivolous lawsuits. This model; allows any parasite to seek remuneration for just about anything; at no risk of expense regardless of the case’s merits or frivolity.

    If there were a provision to prohibit any case from being brought to court; for which the plaintiff has no “skin in the game”; i.e.; no risk at all for even filing the case; then we would have far fewer frivlous law suits tying up the resources of our judicial system.

    One possible solution, would be for states to pass laws; such that personal injury lawsuits filed in those states; for which the injured have no permanent physical disability or disfigurement from the injury; should be prohibited from bringing such a case to the court system when the plaintiff has engaged their attorney on a contingency basis. In other words; anyone filing a lawsuit of this nature; should only be able to do so if they are paying a reasonable fee for their attorney’s services; independent of, and in advance of; any legal outcome. This itself would force people intending to defraud the system with frivolous legal actions; of having to at least pay for the priviledge of doing so; and then have to accept the risk that if they lose their case; they will have had to pay for having brought it in the first place.

    The costs borne by taxpayers; in funding the operations of our courts and legal system solely to deal with these fraudulent and frivolous lawsuits are unfathomable. If plaintiffs intending to file these suits would be forced to pay the costs of pursuing them; more than half of such suits would never even be filed. The savings to taxpayers would be enormous.

    My own experience: In 1986, I was riding in an airport limo-transport from JFK airport to Harrisburg, PA. It was a large van and I was one of 4 passengers in the back. 90 minutes into the ride; the driver fell asleep at the wheel and we careened at full speed on the highway, into the back end of a stalled tractor trailer in the passing lane of the Interstate. We were traveling at about 60 mph at the time. The driver and all of the passengers except me were killed. I managed to survivie by “ducking” across the bench seat just as I realized what was happening, and I narrowly escaped being decapitated as we went under the rear of the trailer. I managed to extricate myself from the wreckage and crawl out of the back of the van even before EMS and police arrived. I was covered in the blood and guts of the other passengers; while I myself had only a broken nose. My first thought was how fortunate I was to be alive, and to have escaped without serious injury; while every other person was dead. Now, I suppose I could have sued, and probably won; hundreds of thousands in “pain and suffering” from the limo company….but did I really deserve that ? My survival, my life, my health…..was a gift…and I was damn lucky to be alive. That should be enough for anyone. Filing a suit to get money even in this kind of a scenario; is simply demonstrating a character of cowardice. I don’t need money that I didn’t earn, and anyone who acts to gain under such circumstances, is simply a common thief and a coward.

    • Jeff

      Very eloquent defense of monied interests. So only the wealthy should have attorneys? I don’t know what you consider disabling or disfiguring injuries, but your general attitude suggests only the most grievously injured would be able to hire counsel. Meanwhile, the insurance company will have lawyers trying to disqualify the plaintiff’s lawyer because the client can’t afford $300 per hour.

  • Robert Rashbrooke

    How about this for an idea?

    Since laws are made by Congress without ANY input or consideration of we the people, then ALL aspects of the law should be the purview of the government. The judge, the prosecuting attorney and the defense attorney should ALL be provided by the Department of Justice and all lawyers become civil servants. That should remove the gaming of the system by the lawyers who (almost) always try scoring brownie points at the other side’s expense, thereby enhancing their own reputation and future prospective incomes. If they don’t like the restriction on their incomes resulting from this systerm, then don’t become a lawyer.

    The civil service lawyers should be told “this week you are on prosecution, next week you are on defense , and you get no part of the awards in whatever form from the case.” Those who do not perform satisfactorily as measured by some peer reviewed standard, should not be able to continue representation of the accused.

    By the way, in California there are 26 million people, in Japan 143 million, but there are more lawyers in California than in the whole of Japan. Gotta be a reason.

  • Michelle

    If I had the money I would sue her for wasting eveyone time and money. What an idiot.

  • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.stoner.12 Daniel Stoner

    Wow, this board is full of uneducated idiots, who don’t know the first thing about how the legal system actually works. Hey, I’ve got a tip for you moron limbaugh lemmings – don’t like lawyers? Move to f’ing CHINA, because they have the lowest per capita ratio of number of lawyers. Per capita lawyer rate directly correlates to the freedoms a society has, to a T. The majority of people on here are so stupid it hurts. The irony that it’s called “personalliberty.com”, when lawyers are the KEY to preserving personal liberty – again, witness China, Cuba, etc., yet it has this kind of readership, is just absurd. Thank god this isn’t an official RP site – I know that the majority of us Paulites aren’t anywhere near that stupid. Go go gadget neocons! Jeff is correct here. Thomas Gunn, nice fantasy story you made up – obviously you are an insurance adjuster.

    • Jeff

      Daniel:

      Most of these people think lawyers who work for big business are fine because that’s “just business” they don’t understand, but lawyers who represent “the little guy” must be illegitimate somehow. The same people think the prosecutor is always right and the defense is always wrong (except in the George Zimmerman case).

      They can work up a good rage for any “injured” worker caught in his backyard doing physical labor, but they’ll think nothing of an insurance company or defense attorney who regularly delays or procures testimony to deny injured parties their just compensation. After all, “it’s just business.”

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