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Lawsuit Seeks To Allow Anti-Mosque Ad Campaign In New York City

August 12, 2010 by  

Lawsuit seeks to allow anti-mosque ad campaign in New York City New York City’s Landmarks Preservation Commission’s recent ruling may have cleared the way for an Islamic center to be built near the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, but this doesn’t mean the controversy is over.

In the latest development two human rights organizations have filed a lawsuit against New York City’s Metropolitan Transit Authority (MTA) for refusing to run an ad campaign protesting the construction.

The challenge was brought on by the American Freedom Defense Initiative (FDI) and Stop Islamization of America (SIOA). The original posters for the Preservation of Ground Zero campaign featured one of the planes about to crash into the World Trade Center alongside the planned mosque with a caption that reads "Why There?" Two subsequent remakes of the ad were also rejected.

Attorneys who filed the lawsuit on behalf of the organizations have likened the MTA’s decision to a “jihad against free speech.”

“The First Amendment to the Constitution gave way to Shariah’s blasphemy laws,” complained one of the lawyers, David Yerushalmi.

“How long before the mayor’s office begins issuing fatwas against those who dare counter the ‘noble and peaceful outreach’ narrative?" he asked.

Last week, the Landmarks Preservation Commission denied landmark status for a downtown building standing on the proposed site of the new mosque, opening the way for the project’s construction.ADNFCR-1961-ID-19922427-ADNFCR

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  • s c

    NYC’s Mayor Bloomberg gets no free pass in this matter. Either he lives in a cave, or he has all of the common sense of a manure heap.
    As for Muslims who dare to claim innocence in this, they must realize that their world view is tainted by religious extremism that demands to be seen as infallible. No mortal philosophy or religion is infallible. You’d think that after many attempts to sweep Israel into the sea that Muslim extremists would finally ‘get it.’
    Mayor Bloomberg needs to ‘get it’ fast. He can claim to be a ‘Republican’ (or an opportunist or an outright useful idiot), but his methods mark him as a progressive. Maybe Bloomberg thinks he’s another Neville Chamberlain. As a last resort, he can always consider converting to Islam, but I suspect Muslims would never accept him.

    • Jim

      This entire controversary can be solved by having all of the construction unions make a pact that they will not do one lick of work on this mosque. Also for no American company to sell them the materials they would need.
      RESULT: These ass backward, tribal minded, inept, idiots try to build it themselves and in a few weeks it falls down!
      Everyone bring your chairs, some snack and watch the biggest comedy of errors that has ever been presented. Laughs will come faster than Leroy coming at you on a crotch rocket!

      • independant thinker

        All snacks should contain pork. They could also bring their dogs dressed as the iman and/or mohamid.

        • Granny Mae

          There is a lot about this whole thing that stinks and what I don’t get is why is our government paying for this Imam to travel to the middle east to secure financing for this place when I thought they are always shouting separation of church and state ????? I guess it depends on what church huh ? This whole thing is wrong and needs to be stopped !

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Independant thinker,
          Know anybody that has a monkey??? I’m sure it would look good in robes!!!

    • tennislady

      Sounds to me lie all of the people who run New York are for Islam than they are for America and Americans….May islam put a fatwa up thier unworthy behinds!

  • JeffH

    Mayor Bloomberg is just another moron whose money pays for his mouth. Remember, this is the same guy who pours millions of his own money into his small weak anti-gun orgaization called Mayors Against Illegal Guns(MAIG) who’s goal is to disarm all citizens. He’s another elitist liberal politician that ignores the Constitution and believe he can make his own rules…wait for the next election fool!

    • Granny Mae

      I just hope the elections get here fast enough. As for the second amendment that is going to be in the hands of the UN real soon my friends, and Obama is really pushing for it ! Since when does the UN have a say in our constitution? We are being forced into the one world government and fast whether we want it or not ! They are trying to bann all guns from civilians. The only ones that will have guns are the crooks and gangsters, like the Chicago mob !

    • http://?? Joe H.

      i heard on the news yesterday that the imam that is behind building this thing has made three trips to the middle east on the taxpayers dime through the state department!!! What a bunch of crap!!!

      • Jana

        Yes, and our illustrious President made a speech at the White House while celebrating Ramadan last Fri. that the Muslims should be able to build a Mosque anywhere they please.
        Lets see now, this is the second time that this President has brought in his Muslim friends and celebrated the Islamic Holiday of Ramadan while totally ignoring our National Day of Prayer and in fact being behind aboloshing that very Day of Prayer. He has also stated that he does not buy his family Christmas presents, so is this his way of stating that he does not celebrate Christmas?
        He has more ties to the Muslim community than he does anything else.

        • http://goggle jimradford

          thats one of the reasons i say put a stamp on him and send him back to his loved muslims country, i think that some of us would even pay a one way fare for him and family,if he says that he does not buy presants for his kids that should tell u something about him, alltho with his wife, mrs obumma being able to use the presidents plane for her own use says alot of greedy hands in the family.

  • Doc Sarvis

    I don’t see the big fuss about this. There is already a prayer site in the existing building (see: ). This building cannot be seen from ground zero. Everything is so compressed in Manhatten that you have all kinds of overlapping interests everywhere.
    It was religous extremeists NOT Muslims who attacked us on Sept. 11th.

    • HFlashman

      I agree. Wonder if there would be this fuss if we banned churches from anywhere near the Oklahoma City site. Remember..the same people screaming about this are the very ones who would scream about ‘private property rights’ in a land use case, zoning issue or a taking …

      Go figure ..

      • David Bowers

        Timothy McVeigh committed his heinous act as revenge for Waco and Ruby Ridge. McVeigh was agnostic, didn’t believe in Heaven nor hell, so I don’t see how churches near the Oklahoma City bomb site would be controversial. Your comment is just another liberal talking point which has now crashed and burned. Stop listening to Keith Olbermann and do your own homework.

        • HFlashman

          Uh huh … McVeigh wasn’t substantially influenced by religious beliefs . Since every right wing religous leader states such, it must be true. Uh huh …

          Of course we should ignore he slept with the Turner Diaries under hs pillow and that he has been quoted as admiring the Christian Identity sect …

          LOL … one has to laugh at how far people will go in trying to deny the truth of history …

          • TIME

            Truth, oh really, Der Lackingdaflash, Just how do you know what you have been told about Timmie McNuts was the truth?

            Have you any form of proof, that is in the way of “first hand” evidence?
            No, you sure don’t.

            What you do have is – simply what you were told, and somehow that fails to pass the “litmus test of truth.”

            It’s more in line with a heap of warm brown waste material left by a large grouping from beast of burden.

            Thus your mindless outright pointless posts again displays your ignorance as well agressive stupidity, with just the right touch of self absorbed delusion’s.

            And on you go with more of your pretzel logic fresh from the can of {BIG PHAT Bull Sh@t.}

            You would fail to grasp “TRUTH” if it bit you on the Arse with it.

          • HFlashman

            The bok written by the prosecutor that’s sitting on my bookshelf…not good enough?

          • TIME

            Ha Ha, Mr. Fung, No not even close, note the term {“PROFIT DRIVEN”}.

            With McNuts, its at best a sound bite for Profit book, afterall when dealing with laywers one has to keep one hand on their wallet at all times, and never say anything that can be taken in more than one way, and as thats slim at best, so its best to say nothing at all.

            Again as you were not there and YOU don’t have a clue what evidence was manufactured for effect, as well you have no idea what McNuts mental state was, or if he were on drugs, so the book’s value is ZERO.

            Thanks for playing and please try again.

      • independant thinker

        Doc, if the world is so full of moderate muslims why do they refuse to absolutely condem not only the acts of terrorism by their brethern but those such as al-quida that support and sponser them. Untill they do this one can only draw the conclusion that they support the extreemist covertly if not openly.

        flashman, I have not heard of any proposals to build a church next to the Okalahoma City site so that is a non issue.

        • Doc Sarvis

          I have heard several Muslim people condem the acts of the radical extremeists both on television news programs and face to face.

          • JC

            The FBI says the problem they are having with the Muslim community is that the moderates will NOT come out and openly condemn the radicals either due to fear or political positioning.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            “Several” is not good enough! I’ve heard a very few as well…but they seem to be the exception rather than the rule.

            No wonder Americans feel their hands have been bitten by those they’ve fed (via legal and the rediculous illegal immigration policies of this country)…and not just Muslims.

            Why on earth would other Muslims not speak up [loudly] and condemn the radical muslim thought?

            Why do other Muslims want to come to this country? I can only think of 2 reasons; to live in a country that will afford them personal freedom or to begin a slow but sure process of replacing our freedoms with their oppression. The time for the so-called peaceful Muslims to actively condem radical Muslim actions such as Sharia law, etc….is now or never….if they choose now, they stand a very good chance of becoming a true part of our diverse American family; if they choose never..they need to leave! It’s that simple!

          • Granny Mae

            Fed Up,

            I agree with you. The practice of Muslims is to place a mosque over every christian sight of conquest they have. They consider the Twin Towers a victory and so will build a mosque either on the sight or in this case as close as they can get to it. Also this is a very important center to them. Remember our government won’t search these sights so they are and have been places of gathering to secure funding for their jihad and anything else they think of. It would be a perfect place to have a war room for dirrecting activities of their sleeper units in this country. This is not a good idea for us to encourage them to build this center nor is it necessary for them to build it !

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Doc sarvis,
            And I have heard of more than a few in England that pulled people from their cars and made them say “allah is great” under threat of bodily harm when the towers went down!!! I wish one had tried to pull me from my car. He’d have gotten a tire iron up side the turban holder!!!

          • independant thinker

            There have been a few half hearted statements from them showing dissapprovel for the acts but still is no outright condemnation of those promoting the terrorist acts or those carrying them out.

        • http://Thanks,George! Carol

          I saw and listened to ONE Muslim woman, from CANADA, loudly stand up against this building project. She said it was disrespectful,a slap in the face of Americans, and should NOT be allowed to happen, like I believe. I understand there are very few Muslims living in this area and there are already 100 mosques in Manhatten. If they want to build it for tolerance, let them include a Jewish Temple and a Christian Church in the Center they are building. That would show tolerance [theirs!]. It sounds like our tax dollars are going to help finance it, too. What a mess! We have bent over too far backwards for too long on this “Political Correctness” [PC] nonsense. I want my country back. Why are there so many idiots all of a sudden?!! God Bless America!!!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM


            Great comments and on target!

            Now, to answer your question “Why are there so many idiots all of a sudden?!!” Answer: Because idiots can reproduce (unfortunately).

          • JeffH

            Carol, wouldn’t you know it would be a Muslim woman from Canada to speak out…all others risk having their tongues cut out!

          • Bob Wire

            I want to agree , I find it disrespectful in regards that it’s so close to the fallen ones of 9-11. And the Muslim community hasn’t done near enough to address this extremist element. What the sons of dog are doing, ~ is let the rest of the free world do their dirty laundry for them. This allows them to feel discriminated against and play the role of martyrdom. This role fits perfect inside their stone age brain.

            This is an issue that really confuses my intellect. My neck gets red and I want to go Tea Party!~ never thought I say that.

            I don’t approve of public prayer but only in the most generic and modest of terms. Never have ! Not sure exactly why ~ the relationship between one and their deity should be very personal and should be shared with consenting “LIKE MINDS”. I don’t enjoy feeling solicited, I don’t enjoy a theoretical public spectacle made of worship as victim of happenstance.

            Jesus warned us of people that pray too loudly and make public displays of their righteousness for all to see.

            I understand these people are wanting to build themselves a place for worship but the truth is ~ they are most willing to “get down” just about anywhere when the mood strike them, showing little regard for others in the process. On their hands and knees, butt in the air ~ repeating words in repetition, over and over, old words , old ideas, old thoughts ~not even listening to themselves anymore. How does such people blend into a new world without tainting it with the old? ~ the place they were most eager to leave?

            I’m all for sending the statute of liberty back to France with a “Thank You” letter attached and a note reading , “No more room at a Inn” however, ~ would enjoy your visit, RSVP.

            I’d cast a down vote on this one.

        • Peter

          Three things come to mind:
          1: Any moslem who speaks against islamic terrorism is in very real danger of physical harm from fellow moslems (but of course, it is a religion of peace isn’t it?)
          2: All civic leaders and mainstream media are ruled by the politically correct liberal police, who watch their every move and vilify them for the slightest sin, labelling any criticism of islam as either racism or islamophobia.
          3: I am in Australia but my daughter and her family live in the US. Over here we have a TV show that is satirical, like Saturday Night Live. They ran an absolute tirade against Christians recently, so I complained to our federal department who oversee the TV code of ethics, only to be told this was allowable as it is simply satire and allowed for under the code. Not happy. Then, just last week on the same show, the same host who denigrated Christians was listening to one of his co-hosts satirise moslems, and jumped down his throat telling him to stop, with an absolute look of panic on his face, as if hecould visualise the AK47 being rammed down his throat by some little jihad-merchant. Damned hypocrites and cowards, all of them!

      • tlludwig

        You cant compare an apple to an orange. The difference is that the 911 terrorist’s were all muslim and did the killing in the name of their religion, islam. Btw, if you look into muslim history you will find that it is their tradition to a construct a mosque on conquered land to honor the muslims who died as a result of their victory. So in other words, they are building this mosque to honor the muslim terrorists that flew the planes into the buildings. You see, it wasnt a nation that attacked the united states but a religion. The islamic religion is the scum of the earth. Muslims operate covertly. They talk about peace buts its a lie. Their goal is world domination and they will stop at nothing to obtain it. This is just the beginning.

    • JRHowosso

      Let’s put a memorial to WWII pilots in the vicinity of the Japan abomb drop and just to preclude any questions let’s have them high fiving!!

    • alpha-lemming

      When somewhere between a third and half of the “congregate” believes…. “Sometimes suicide bombing, jihad, etc. is the correct action”… I don’t think they fall into the “fringe” or “extremist” category anymore. Even the most conservative of demographic definitions would have to call that “pretty damned main-stream”. If Islam cleans its own house, I’ll gladly contemplate granting them audience…. ’til then….

    • CS Key

      Clearly your glasses need cleaning…this is NOT an issue of religious tolerance…read your Bible. The outcome is stated, but our actions are required!

      It’s them or us…the Koran says “them”, the Bible says, “us”…who are you voting for?!

    • jim

      Hey Doc, bull – it was muslims! When they become a majority in the USA you will see their true colors!

    • Delores Smith

      Doc Sarvis,
      You prove that it was religious extremists that did this on 9/11. You’ve been told that. I can prove that Islamic Terrorists are funded by mosques. I can prove that we have a President in the White House who is a liar.
      Delores Smith

    • http://goggle jimradford

      same o samo, still from the same country.

  • HFlashman

    So if a religious nutcase commits murder, we can suscribe it to all who are of similar faith? So the murderer is not a tug or criminal..they’re part of a massive attack by the religion he holds against the US?

    You sure you want to say that after thinking it through?


      Funny, but your contradicting yourself, because you just tried to liken McVeigh to all right wing christians!!!! Jusdt like a liberal to forget the truth

      • Bob Wire

        >>Jusdt like a liberal to forget the truth<<

        That not very nice or accurate, I could easily turn that around on you.

        I could dig into your handle and play with your mind, you offer me a lot to play with. ~ as you imply many things.

        For example; you are telling us you've changed your mind. ~ Does that happen often? ~ Was you blind and now you see or was it something else.

        If you could be wrong once, could you be wrong twice?

        When was the last time you were correct? What made you see this light?

        And you think this behavior in uniquely "liberal" and exist no other place? Why?, because you are living proof?

    • Peter

      Flash by name, but not by nature! Yours is one of the dumbest statements I’ve read from a liberal! These people would have no reason to kill anyone if it weren’t for their so-called ‘religion of peace’. As above, you likened McVeigh to right-wing Christians, yet now you try to separate moslem extremists from their religion???? What planet are you on buddy? Surely not planet reality that’s for sure. Islam is a religion of intolerance toward any other religion, belief system or non-belief system. Period.

    • http://naver Samurai

      What about Jim Jones and David Koresh? Did they hold a religious belief against the U.S.? What about Manson? Did he have a religious belief against the U.S.? I will agree with you that I’ve also known some people of the muslim faith that are great people. I went to Afghanistan and Iraq, they helped my wife and kids. One of our neighbors was from India and she was a muslim. She was a great person, easy to get along with, but never talked about her religion or tried to get people to convert. It’s not the good or average person we should be paying attention to, ut’s the extremists that we should be watching. You know Al Quedq, Hamas, Taliban, Islamic Jihad, etc., that we should be trying to watch and take out. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Jana

        You are right, it is the RADICAL extreme in anything that is wrong. Unfortunately because of most of them being so silent on the matter, and the fact that we hear only of the ones with radical agenda’s making waves such as this Imam that wants to build this Mosque near ground zero, we see more of that side of them. We do have a lot of the more active Muslims living here in the US because we see them taking over more and more. Even our President celebrates Ramadan in the White House every year, while forsaking any of the Christian Holidays except for the Easter Egg Roll which has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity.
        These Muslims are not assimilating into our country they are demanding more and more that we comply with their wishes and customs.
        They already have the city of Manhattan covered in Mosques and they are silently taking over, and even stopping traffic to pray at different times of the day as they are spilling out in the streets and stopping traffic to pray. It’s all right for them to have public prayer but not the rest of us. Obama had the National Day of Prayer abolished this past year.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Then there is Muslim central, Detroit!!! There are so many Muslims there it should be renamed mecca!!! With all those muslims there, I didn’t hear one of them after 9/11 speak out against it!!! NOT ONE!!!

        • http://naver Samurai

          Good post Jana! Keep up the good fight fellow patriot! It may look dark and bleak, but we are winning the fight! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://mog7@cox.net06042CT James Francis

    NEW YORKERS: when the next election comes around, don’t forget your mayor revealed he had no heart of an American, but sided with THE ENEMY. No American alive can possibly respect muslims who would plant a mosque at Ground Zero. No American president would allow it. I predsict this is just the beginning of the anti American actions of this mayor. On 9-11-2001, I personally witnessed the incredible bravery and selflessness of New Yorkers. They don’t deserve ths scum of a mayor.

  • Cribster

    Islamization is a worldwide threat. If you have any doubts about the intent of the people of this faith look at the problems they are causing around the globe.

    They bring unrest and anarchy wherever they congregate.

  • Den

    This will be their trophy of victory Mosque.

    Islam always takes the churches and temples and holy spots to build mosques. If they can build one, they consider the country Islamic and begin moving to convert the infidel, that failing, jihad them.

    Qur’an (3:85) – “And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.”

    “Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush” (Surah 9:5)

    There are people who don’t want money, but just want to see things burn.

  • Den

    For those that don’t understand, THERE IS NO MODERATE ISLAM. The Imam says so.

    • HFlashman

      And there’s a christian preacher in Florida who says there is no such thing as a ‘moderate Christian’… you’re either totally of the faith or you’re not.

      You believe him too?

      • marvin

        HFlashman,we are trying to have an adult conversation here that du rag on your head is to tite and is making you delusional,or mabe the boom da boom da boom from your radio has caused you to loose touch with reality turn off the radio take off the du rag open your eyes and go to some web site like the kos that want to hear your rants we do not

      • alpha-lemming

        Rosie……. Is that you?????

        NICE TAN!!!!!!!

      • TIMedWork

        HFlashman says:
        August 12, 2010 at 10:47 am
        And there’s a christian preacher in Florida who says there is no such thing as a ‘moderate Christian’… you’re either totally of the faith or you’re not.

        You believe him too?

        HFlash: an extreme Christian who follows the teachings of Christianity, turns the other cheek.
        The good and observant Muslim, not necessarily extreme, who faithfully follows the teachings of the Kuran, removes the head of the non-muslim or faces the same fate from his fellow muslim, if the fellow muslim actually follows what the Koran actually teaches.
        If you want to understand Islam as our founding fathers knew it, Google “Islam John Quincy Adams” and you’ll gain a deeper insight. This is not about politics or religion. It is about a centuries old quest to unify the entire world under Islam. It can be done. All it takes is for all the Non-Muslims to be no more. 9/11/2001 was a good start.

      • Bob Wire

        no I don’t flashman ~ there is many kinds and many levels of being Christian. ~ ~ Like all enlightenment ~ there big steps and little steps as you advance ~ WE call Christains, Christians ~ for “trying”

        Myself? ~ I’m retired at the moment with this issue.

  • Anna Papazian

    The mystery about who is paying for this mosque may be solved. It
    may be the american taxpayer and that is like driving a stack through
    our hearts. Most of the politicians consenting to this outrage are
    probably Obama lackies. Obama is doing and saying everything to win
    over muslims terrorists. It is most likely useless.

    • HFlashman

      I take it you may be referring to the tax exempt status given to religious properties and income. In that, I agree…we should do away with tax exemptions based upon whether the oganization is a “church” or not.

      Do you agree?

      • TIME

        No I think Anna is referring to who’s behind the mask.

        But that would be to large of a task for one with such a small amount of gray matter let alone as your walnut sized gray matter thats as smooth as a babys butt.

      • independant thinker

        The tax exemption would not even make the down payment on the mosque.

        • Granny Mae

          independant thinker,

          SAY WHAT? You better check into the tax base for property in New York and especially at this location ! The taxes there would choke an ox !

          • independant thinker

            But what is the property going to cost, a million $ a square foot? I have heard that number used in relation to prime property in NY city Perhaps someone from there can quote more accurate figures on the cost of property in that area of NY.

  • David

    Islam is contrary to the ideals of human dignity and freedom. Islam is radical, you cannot separate radical ideology from the the main faith as they are one and the same. Simply read the Koran, it is all right there. McVeigh’s motives were not religious, so the comparison is false. Bloomberg and the landmarks office were paid off, NY is nothing but corrupt officials, almost as bad as chicago.

    • Granny Mae


      Dido !

    • Fed Up Gal in NM


      Excellent points!

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    Muslims do not worship the same God of the Bible. The whole idea of building anything near ground zero with ties to any Muslims is crazy, the icing on the cake after what they accomplished on 9/11. Mayor Bloomberg is a traitor to those who died trying to save people. His own police and fire departments put their lives on the line and many lost their lives that day. This is how the survivors need to remember that day? What about a monument to those who lives were lost? They know what they are doing. Some people will agree that building there is no big deal, while others will be against it. They are dividing Americans, which makes them easier to dominate. They are deliberately trying to stir up trouble. They know what buttons to push…

    • jim

      You have to ask yourself what a muslim would want to come to this country or any Chritian nation for? Their Koran dictates that they have nothing to do with Kafir. Many things have to be changed around to accomodate their religious practices – crazy as they are!
      So if you ask yoursef and come to any decision except the one that says they want to overrun this country, outbreed all other religions and end up the majority – you really aren’t too bright at thinking games are you!
      What then? Oh, they wipe their butt with the Constitutioon and Bill of Rights rather than using their bare hand -uneducated animals – and install Shariah law.
      Think that is an exageratiion? Think again!

    • Granny Mae


      You are right on !

  • David in Ma.

    I heard a good one the other day, after the mosque is built open a gay bar next door. (maybe a gay biker bar?)

    I say next to that a prono shop and add to that a victorieas secret outlet and down the street.

    All descreet of course…but “they” will knew.

    • marvin

      David in Ma.,descreet hell no that is the trouble now being politicaly correct i say let them know it

    • independant thinker

      Open a BBQ joint right across the street from it that only serves pork BBQ and set the exaust fans to blow directly towards the mosque. Also put large lighted Crosses and Stars of David across from all entrances and exits.

      • JeffH

        …to add to the BBQ idea, make sure it’s a “whole hog” BBQ with out side seating, in front of course.

        • TIME

          Love all the ideas posted, as well how about a bar called
          “Ali Ba Bar,”

          And to wrap this up nice and tight a large store that sells only Pork products. Pork Soap, Pork Rinds, Pork bellys,Pork key charms.

          Seems only fair to me, any of you know anything about this area, there are “no Muslims” that live in this area, so why would they need a Masque in this spot?
          Why do they want to open it on 9/11?

          But I dirgress, the fruit cake thats behind this bloody abomination has direct ties to radical muslims that want YOU dead, let alone many that were involved in the 9/11 plot as in the planners.

          As well why would our State Dept aid him with funds, and why would “US Tax Payers” have to pay for him to travel to Europe to garther funds for this Masque? Let alone why would US Tax Payers need to give FUNDS from TAX dollars to build this Abomination?

          This all seems totaly bent to me, as in a real hard slap in the face of the 3000 Dead Americans who were killed, and their familys, by rabid bent muslims.

          • Granny Mae

            I don’t see separation of church and stae here do You ?

          • Jana

            Someone needs to invent bacon scented spray.

      • http://goggle jimradford

        yes sir and adverstize freash prok on a mega phone two or three times a day, and say tenderest pork in town,

  • Awakened

    Islam is not a religion. It is a cult based on the annihilation of all others. As a former New Yorker who was in the city on 9-11-01, I am outraged at the prospect of a mosques anywhere near MY World Trade Center. To call this a “slap in the face” is quite possibly the biggest understatement of all time. Not only is the Bloomberg administration selling New York down the river; they are selling OUR country down the river. Therefore, this is indeed a NATIONAL issue.

    • Awakened

      Correction: “mosque,” not “mosques.” Pardon my clumsy typing.

    • Doc Sarvis

      I looked in my good ole’ American Heritage Dictionary and sure enough, Islam IS a religon. How about that.

      • TIMedWork

        The dictionary is not what determines a religion’s authenticity. It merely defines how the word is used in common speech. That Islam is or is not a religion is defined by its principles. Read the Koran and you will understand. In several countries in Europe, Scientology is rejected by their respective governments as being a valid religion. It is defined there as a “business” and enjoys no tax exemptions. Just calling yourself a religion does not make you one.

        If the Pope called for the death of all non-Catholics, as Islam calls for the death of all non-Muslims who refuse to convert to Islam, you may see it more clearly. If Jews declared “fatwas” on all Muslims, it might be more plain. If Jeremiah Wright pronounced “God Damn America!”, his church could no longer be accepted as a religious center that could in any way serve the good of this country. And so it is with Islam.
        If s good and observant Muslim dutifully followed the teaching of the Koran, he would read that he is duty-bound to kill all in this country who do not convert to Islam or be in disobedience of the written word which Mohammad taught could never be changed or modified in any way. He pronounced that the one who did would have his hand cut off. So where in all that is “moderation” when “death” is what it teaches?
        This of course would command all observant Muslims to kill all, police, congress persons, even the President if they did not convert to Islam. Is that not a declaration of war against this country? Was not the teaching in the Koran the inspired the 9/11 attackers to portray to America what fate awaits it because of those teachings?
        If the dictionary were accurate, it would define the Koran as “hate speech” since it hates all that is not of itself. And then commands its followers to bring death to all that do not agree. Read the Koran, not the dictionary, for the truest definition of what the Koran teaches.

        • Fed Up Gal in NM


          Thank you for your very insightful explanation. One can only hope that Doc (and others) will reconsider their stance after reading your post.

          Since one cannot improve on perfection, I’ll just say “Thank You”!

        • Claire

          TIMedWork– I am appreciate your post, very insightful and truthful.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Doc: so is Devil Worship. What part of Good vs. Evil don’t you understand?

    • independant thinker

      I saw a posting on a discussion board (do not remember which one) that said in addition to being considered a religion or cult which ever you prefer islam is also a system of government and as such should be considered an invasion by a foreign state.

  • James A Graham

    : War started in 1979

    I usually don’t send this kind of stuff along but after hearing General Jerry Boykin this weekend, I feel that we all need to speak out for our country.

    As Paul Harvey would say: “Wake up America”!

    Please pray for all those that have and those who continue to serve and especially for those who have died defending our country, Jim.

    When WW III Started – 1979

    This is not very long, but very informative You have to read the catalogue of events in this brief piece. Then, ask yourself how anyone can take the position that all we have to do is bring our troops home from Iraq, reset the snooze alarm, go back to sleep, and no one will ever bother us again. In case you missed it, World War III began in November 1979…

    US Navy Captain Ouimette is the Executive Officer at Naval Air Station, Pensacola , Florida . Here is a copy of the speech he gave last month. It is an accurate account of why we are in so much trouble today and why this action is so necessary.


    That’s what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more than 3,000 Americans were killed) and maybe it was, but I think it should have been ‘Get Out of Bed!’ In fact, the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.

    It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran . This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world’s most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency The attack on this sovereign U. S. Embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next 25 years.

    America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America’s inability to deal with terrorism

    America ‘s military had been decimated and down sized since the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start.

    Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East . America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.

    In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut When it explodes, it kills 63 people The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more.

    Then just six short months later in 1983 a large truck heavily laden down with over 25 00 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more.

    Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait , and America continues her slumber.

    The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gate of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.

    Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe . In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid

    Then in August 1985 a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rheine-Main, 22 are killed and the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked.

    Fifty-nine days later in 1985 a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed.

    The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie , Scotland in 1988, killing 259.

    The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder.

    The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America . In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley , Virginia

    The following month, February 1993 , a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City . Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war? The Snooze alarm is depressed again.

    Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women.

    A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran , Saudi Arabia . It destroys the Khobar Towers , a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively.

    They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania . These attacks were planned with precision. They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.

    The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000 , when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.

    And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America . How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.

    In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high official in government over what they knew and what they didn’t know. But if you’ve read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don’t have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979.

    I think we have been in a war for the past 25 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough. America needs to ‘Get out of Bed’ and act decisively now. America has been changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and roll over and go back to sleep.

    After the attack on Pearl Harbor , Admiral Yamamoto said ‘… it seems all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant.’ This is the message we need to disseminate to terrorists around the world.

    This is not a political thing to be hashed over in an election year, this is an AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our children in years to come.

    If you believe in this please forward it to as many people as you can especially to the young people and all those who dozed off in history class and who seem so quick to protest such a necessary military action. If you don’t believe it, just delete it and go back to sleep.

    • jim

      Don’t worry about it. I will deal with the mosque after it is built!

  • James A Graham


    The following is a copy of an article written by Spanish writer Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez and published in a Spanish newspaper on Jan. 15, 2008. It doesn’t take much imagination to extrapolate the message to the rest of Europe and the rest of the world.

    Date: Tues. 15 January 2008 14:30


    By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez

    I walked down the street in Barcelona, and suddenly discovered a terrible truth – Europe died in Auschwitz…We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world.

    The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned.

    And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.

    They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime.

    Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.

    And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition.

    We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.

    • TIME

      James, Thanks for the post.

    • Carol

      Great post, James! TRUE!

    • Carol

      Not only Jews were killed in the Haulacost, but also priests, nuns, other Christians, Gypsies, others.

      • http://naver Samurai

        Very true Carol! Poland alone lost more than 20% of its total popilation. Some of them were killed by the Russians also.

    • Granny Mae


      Great posts. Both of them. Do you think we will wake up? I hope so, but there are too many out there that will make excuses for everything and go back to sleep I’m afarid !

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      It should always be remembered that the muslims alligned themselves with the enemy powers in both World Wars.

  • 1955 The Keeper

    Has anyone thought forward to the possibility that if the mosque is built where it is proposed, that there may be extreme resistance to it which may take the form of violence? Like the bombing of the structure. What then? You can bet that if they get their collective panties in a wad over someone drawing a political cartoon depicting their prophet in an unflattering manner that the bombing of a mosque in New York City will tick them off even more. Tensions will escalate until someone’s death will occur. I am proud to be an American and I object to what the mosque is really going to represent to the Muslim community, however, to some Americans this issue may be one bridge too far. The word extremist is not automatically and forever bound to the word Muslim.

    • TIMedWork

      1955 The Keeper said: “The word extremist is not automatically and forever bound to the word Muslim.”

      Keeper, not automatically and forever just usually and most of the time.

    • Granny Mae

      And so begins the excuses !!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • James A Graham

    All I can say about this is that if you are not already aware of what Mr. Root is saying then you haven’t been paying attention….

    WAYNE ALLYN ROOT: Overwhelm the system

    Barrack Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he’s doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos — thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within.

    Barack Obama is my college classmate (Columbia University, class of ’83). As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University. They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Add up the clues below. Taken individually they’re alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival … and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.

    – Universal health care. The health care bill had very little to do with health care. Â It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesn’t care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?

    – Cap and trade. Like health care legislation having nothing to do with health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama’s biggest contributors. Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants. They will kickback hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power. The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars, bigger homes and businesses helps Obama “spread the wealth around.”

    – Make Puerto Rico a state. Why? Who’s asking for a 51st state? Who’s asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers. But this has been Obama’s plan all along. His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government.

    – Legalize 12 million illegal immigrants. Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America. But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government. Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security.

    – Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go? It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions — including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions). A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues). All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America. The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful. The ends justify the means.

    – Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama). Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government. Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition.

    With the acts outlined above, Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system.

  • Mark

    This is the same mayour that insisted that Gulliani leave office after two terms because the rules said so and then when his time was to do the same, he had the rules changed so that he could have another term. The is a word for people like him.

    • TIME

      Mark, Bloomberg is a total Drip off the Wang, if you get my drift.

  • Wlmitch1

    Obama Hope And Change = Islamic Extremism, Marxism, Homosexuality.

    To obtain REAL HOPE AND CHANGE, we grass-roots Constitutional Conservatives,
    Tea Party Activists, and other true American Patriots of ALL races must UNITE!
    WE HAVE THE MORAL HIGH GROUND!! Get registered as Republicans in your State
    if it is not too late. Educate yourselves on where each candidate stands on the issues.
    Vote for ONLY grass-roots Constitutional Conservatives and Tea Party candidates
    in the Republican Primary elections. VOTE OUT the RINOs, Country-clubbers, and
    Primaries and take our Party back! Then vote for these Republicans in November and
    take our COUNTRY back! Investigations, likely impeachment, and possible arrest,
    of the current administration, and others, will surely follow!! Do the same in 2012 AND
    elect a REAL American Patriot for President. Only then can we fully restore this great
    Nation to a Constitutional Republic with a Government OF the People, BY the People,
    and FOR the People! YES WE CAN!

    The dates on which the 2010 Primary Elections are being held are listed by State
    and Territory at… You will
    need the latest version Adobe Reader installed on your PC to view this .pdf file.
    Washington State and Wyoming will hold their Primary Elections on August 17, 2010.

    • Carol

      YES, we MUST!

    • Shasta

      Absolutly Wlmitch1……….this should be a no brainer…..get the OVOMIT CREW OUT ASAP, as we sink deeper in the quick sand, all you Dems out there have to know by now your party is NOT what it used to be, and if you care at all about your children, the time is now to RESEARCH AND DO THE ‘RIGHT’ THING, VOTE THEM ALL OUT!!!!

    • http://naver Samurai

      Do we really need to wait till November to start lessening his grip on America?

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      something I would like to see changed is the primary dates. All States should hold them on the same Sat. in Nov. That way everyone gets to vote for all candidates in National Elections.
      Something else to do would be to criminalize voter fraud. Anyone willingly committing voter fraud; Ten yrs. in a federal pen and a $100,000. fine. Goodbye ACORN !!!

  • marvin

    people we are under attack from the mexican,s on the south and the idiots in goverment at all levels, it is bad when the union that rep the ice agents took a vote of no comfidence on the director and his ass dir for tell ice agents not to enforce immigration law ,i bet bush done it bush told the director not to enforce immigration law, whats that you say , i am sorry i was not thinking clearly,i forgot bush and gulliani are history, the liberals have been incharge of congress from 2006 and the what was the white house from 2008, here is a thought remimber the old song what goes up must come down and like are incompent liberal goverment spining there wheels around and round,come monday the liberal will think it,s all right come tuesday liberals will cry all night,so vote in nov 2010,if the change you got was what little you have left in your pocket,you can blame bush or the one that said i am incharge[thatis debatable] the king of bling and payback,obama and the liberals if you like what they have done to you and this country vote for more off the same if not vote no moe liberals to congress

    • Doc Sarvis

      First – breath
      Second – think
      Only then should you try to type.

      • marvin

        Doc Sarvis who died and left you incharge if you don,t like what i type don,t read it,or better still kiss the fat part of my a–

        • Doc Sarvis

          I can’t decide if I like what you type UNLESS I read it.

      • marvin

        Doc Sarvis and one more thing i am handcaped and type with one finger what is your excuse, just plain stupid you moron

        • Doc Sarvis

          I had no idea you had fat ankles.

          • Claire

            Doc Sarvis–How crude. You better hope and pray nothing happens to your health/well-being before you leave this earth. Remember, anything can happen and if a person doesn’t think it can, then they are foolish.

          • Doc Sarvis

            If you think what I said was objectionable I am sorry. I also believe you must be new to this site cause MUCH harsher personal attacks are waged which I am very much against, including Marvin’s response to my original comment. If you read my original post to Marvin I was commenting not on his typing but the ideas he was expressing.

        • http://naver Samurai

          Marvin, I say keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! If you can only type with one finger, I say you are overcoming obstacles that I couldn’t begin to understand. By the way, don’t listen to the “doc”. He’s just one of those messed up lib, commie, gay pieces of crap that try to stir up trouble when they can. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jana

            Marvin and Sumurai,

            You are both right. Don’t let a liberal get the best of you. I enjoy reading what both of you have to say.
            God Bless America

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Has anyone ever given thought to the plan of waiting till they tear down the building that is there now and then drain two barrels marked pork blood on the site?? The land would then be desecrated and not worth a thing to them as it couldn’t be holy ground!!!

          • http://naver Samurai

            Thank you Jana! I enjoy yours also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • independant thinker

            Love that idea Joe.

          • TIMedWork

            I like the idea of the blood soaked earth: better from pigs than from Americans. However, if it became known, after the money was spent and the structure built, that the concrete was contaminated with pig blood and that, every night of its construction, pig blood was poured into the sand used to make the concrete, provable by samples of the concrete being taken for analysis, they could no longer occupy the building but would owe property taxes on it in addition to the original expense. If the contract to construct it does not state that the concrete must be free of pork products (imagine that in a concrete contract! Hilarious!) then they would owe for its construction, resources diminished and property taxes still due on a site that would be difficult to sell.
            OK, so I’m fantasizing. But it’s fun to think of it.
            Sorry for wasting your time.

          • Claire

            TIMedWork– I do not think you are wasting anyone’s time. I find your comments intriguing!

  • patrick

    Hey let em build it! Why? That bldg. will become the next target to fly a big plane into. Remember, “an eye for an eye” And then some rich guy should buy the land right across the street and put in a field and a barn and raise hogs, pigs. After they slaughter the pigs for the grocery stores, have someone push a cart of pig guts down the street … and oops the cart fell over and spilled on the sidewalk. Wonder if that would offend muslims?

  • ruth

    I think the way to settle Islam’s hash forever plus revoke their tax free status is to prove in court that Islam is not a legitimate religion…by the Bible and history and archology..

    No prophet comes out of Ishmael’s line, mohammed was not a prophet,he was a plagerizer, the koran is not the word of god…History proves Islam is nothing more than a political agenda to take over the entire world….Archeology proves allah is the ancient moon god named Hubal in Arabians astrology lore.

    Why in the name of God is the world allowing this identity theft satan has brought on the world without speaking out..???

    • Jim

      Ruth, I’m with you. Remember the 50′s when someone saw a flying saucer. Soon everyone was seeing them, being taken on them etc. etc.
      Same principle with religion and all the prophets. One was smoking some bad stuff, heard a voice and assumed it had to be God. Soon everyone wanted to be in the in-crowd like the 50′s UFOer’s and started seeing miracles, hearing voices and felt important for that once in their life when everyone gathered around and wanted to hear this guys lie.
      Why did the age of miracles stop. I mean the ones like towns blowing up, angels coming down in plain sight for many to see at one time, two fish feeding thousands. God knows we have a lot of starving people down here why doesn’t he throw down some more miracles like that. If Sodom and Gommorah were so bad, wasn’t Hitler just as bad. Why didn’t he get hit in the ass with a lightening bolt.
      Oh wait, don’t tell me – it’s because God works in mysterious ways or God is testing us or you or me!
      Is there any place in the bible where many people hear God’s voice satying the same thing, at the same time, out loud?
      Religion is like the tooth fairy, easter bunny and santa clause. If everyone around you is in cahoots they can keep you believeing in this stuff for as long as they can keep it up and get the outside world togo a long with it. Some stop for a minute, add things up and start to think for themselves whle others keep going along, drinking the koolaid and never use the brain that someone or something has given them! I know – all that beauty out there – someone had to create it and that is proof enough for you. It happens like mild on a piece of fruit. Or maybe you think God, with all that you credit him with having to do, took time to be bothered to see that all fruit get mold when the time comes.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        I’ll pray for your soul tonight!!!

        • Jana

          Just ignore jim. He is one of those troublemakers who enjoys seeing his name in print.

    • TIMedWork

      Your point is valid. Islam is not a religion. You are not alone in that understanding. Read what John Quincy Adams, Founding Father of America and Winston Churchill, great English statesman and Prime Minister had to say on the subject:

      Those who think Islam is benign should probably do some reading on the Stockholm syndrome.

  • sylviam

    The OBAMA is now considering sitting down with IRAN and says it is to have a PEACE talk, The whole time he is also going to sign a TREATY with the UN on *DISARMING* you & me. That way we cannot defend our selves nor our family, HE HAS NOT proven HIS PLACE OF BIRTH, but demanding that JOHN MCCAINE prove HIS just to be on the ballot. PUNISH A HERO—JOHN MCCAINE, & let the TERRORIST get in the *WHITE HOUSE, That makes no sense either, Now they want to build a MOSQUE, IN THE PLACE THAT THOUSANDS OG AMERICANS DIED BECAUSE OF TERRORISTS, that is WRONG. Get rid of all the un-American, & put a TRUE american in.BLOCK the BUILDING BEFORE IT STARTS, GOD BLESS AMERICA

    • JeffH

      sylviam, McCain certainly suffered for freedom and some might consider him a “war” hero because of it but make no bones about it, he is far from a hero as a RINO, globalist, elite politician. He needs to be put out to pasture along with all of the rest in DC. He’s only a hero when it fits him and really doesn’t give a squat about you or I.

      • JC

        MCcain’s track record will show that his career has
        been “poll driven”.

      • kate8

        JeffH, My sentiments exactly.

        Why should we continue to honor whatever McCain went through while in the military when he has so turned on his country since. He has cast his lot with the power mongers and, as far as I’m concerned, deserves no further consideration.

        He has proven himself to be without substance, conviction or spine. He compromises with evil and thinks that makes him “moderate”. When I hear him proudly claim to be a “maverick” I want to gag. I consider him to be fairly worthless.

      • http://naver Samurai

        If the GOP decides to have McCain run again in 2012, I feel he wouldn’t win no matter what this present terrorist group in Washington has done. I would vote for Sarah to be president. I would have voted for Condi, if she would have ran. The GOP has to choose someone who will want to destroy the libs, bleeding hearts, commies, gays, etc., and not try to dance around trying to be sensitive. If you have any ideas of who you think that could be, please post your answers. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          now don’t forget, we must be politically correct and not hurt the opponents feelings!!!

          • http://naver Samurai

            OK, OK, I understamd! I’ll try to not be bad to the libs!

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          I believe her name is Sarah


    Forget about all this discussion folks…your federal government is taking care of everything for us. The American people have no more rights anymore than what we are see happening in Arizona and New York City. And, don’t be fooled; November 2010 isn’t going to change anything. Your president is spending too much taxpayer money on fuel for AF-One, flying around the country raising money for Democrats, and spreading more lies to the “Kool-Aid” drinkers. A good example: The idiots in Austin, TX this past weekend treated him like a “Rock Star” when he appeared on the UT campus, and the Tea Party protesters outside, were treated like 2nd class citizens. With obama’s “Golden-tongued” speech writers hard at work, and the people listening to him while wearing “Rose Colored Glasses”, we can kiss this country and our freedom goodbye withing the next five years. We just have too many heads in the sand…or up that other popular location!

  • Josette

    Everyone who is a true American should be appalled by the mere idea of building a mosque at Ground Zero. Unfortunately, so many people are either too caught up in their own lives, or just don’t know what to do in order to protest such an idiotic idea. What American would have forseen this on 9/11??? Most of us would have said that there was no way this would ever happen. And then, we voted a muslim into the highest office in our land. Of course he and his followers will push for a mosque at Ground Zero – in the name of “peace????”. Hopefully, only 2 more years and we can take back America.

    • Hard Core

      Josette, Our constitution clearly states freedom of religion. Would you have the same view with any other faith? If so I take no issue with you but wish you would have stated it. 9-11 did not involve every Muslim in America. I’m not Muslim but as an American will fight any Americans freedom of faith. Wouldn’t you? BO is not a Muslim, no mater how much you want him to be.

      • TIME

        Duh,hard core what?

        Barry Soetoro has stated he is a Muslim on flim no less than dozzens of times now. So whats your point in saying he is not?
        Or is it that your just slow?

        Do you give Barry Soetoro happy pleasures and he told you something we all don’t know about?
        We also know he as in Barry Soetoro; swings both ways for any of us that have looked in to the REAL Barry Soetoro and not the MSNBC puppet show.

        So again based on Barry’s own words out of his own mouth he is a Muslim, so what part of that can’t you grasp old hard core?

        By the way the name alone “hard core;” makes LMBAO. :-))

        • Hard Core

          Time for your meds.

          • Hard Core

            Really, go take your meds.

          • TIME

            For some reason this nation (and the world) loves the Obama’s. I guess I’m missing something, there seems little doubt they’ll be returning in 2012. I can’t help but feel that accusations of being Muslim and the Birther movement is essentially assuring Obamas reelection.

          • TIME

            Well twinkie boy, thats about what I figured your a girly man.

            Thanks for clearing that up for all of us.

        • libertytrain

          TIME – what does the REAL TIME think about this bogus poster’s comments re obama?

          • TIME

            Liberty I am shocked that they can use my name.

            But, I can assure you that lame post was not mine, I am far more “caustic” and dam proud of that fact.

          • libertytrain

            TIME – we all develop our own styles, as you well know, and the impostor did not have your style. I enjoy YOUR posts very much – Others will certainly note the difference between the two of you as did I. I’m not quite sure who he usually posts as, but I’m pretty confident as to my guess – and I’m sure you are as well – who this joker is.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            He/she is not even a cheap imposter of you!!!

        • kate8

          I’m with you, TIME.

          • http://naver Samurai

            Me too!

      • Granny Mae

        Hard Core,

        Come on a my house —-my house a come on ! Don’t be so sanctimoneous !

      • Granny Mae

        Hard Core,

        Another thing, by what athority do you know that it didn’t take evey muslim in this country to do what happened on 9/11? I can tell you some stories from personal experience that would curl your hair, about muslims around here and their actions prior to and after 9/11 that only now can be atributed to their prior knowledge of what was going to happen and they did nothing. That makes them acomplices. I can tell you of muslims that quickly tried to sell their business’s and sent their families home to Saudi just in the last week before 9/11. Business’s that closed one night after business as usual and the next day they were gone and landlords were wondering what happened to them till 9/11 happened. I can tell you of a young woman that was married to a muslim for several months and one night she got a call from him that he was going to spend the night with some friends and she never saw him again. That was the day before 9/11. So back off this old rose colored glasses thing by saying that it was just a few extremeists involved and not all muslims ! They were all involved in one way or another, if in no other way that donating money to fund the whole deal ! You don’t know crap !

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          I have no proof but it was said that no cabs were at the Towers the morning they were hit. Does anyone have anything to add to that?

      • Jana

        That’s the problem. No one want Obama to be a Muslim, but when he celebrates the end of the Islamic holyday of Ramadan and turns his back on all other religions, and talks about the call to prayer for Islam as the most beautiful sound he has ever heard, he is saying to us he is Muslim. No matter how much you don’t want him to be doesn’t matter. We know him by his actions and by his close ties. Wake up.

      • TIMedWork

        Good Muslims follow the teachings of the Koran which explicitly states that all good Muslims convert for kill all others. No exceptions. It further states that it is permissible to lie to a Christian or a Jew if your intention is to eventually kill them by virtue of them being deceived by you. Now that’s what being a good Muslim is about.

        Read history through the eyes of those who knew Islam well:

        Peace (not pieces)

    • Doc Sarvis

      It is not at ground zero. You can’t even see the site from ground zero.

      • TIME

        So whats your point docie?

        • Doc Sarvis

          Point being that Josette said it is at ground zero – I am correcting that claim.

          • Jana

            Do you live there? How do you know you can’t see the site from there?

          • http://naver Samurai

            If they want to build a mosque so badly, let them go with Obama bin Laden back to Kenya and build one there. I’m sure that it would be accepted there, till the christian government tears it down, hopefully!

          • Claire

            I did read that where this disgusting mosque is to be built is two blocks away from Ground Zero. Whether this is true, who knows. I have never been there so I have no idea if this mosque (hovel) could be seen from Ground Zero. I do not approve but I am not in charge. Sure wish I was. I know what I would have done the first minute I heard this debacle was in the offing. Does anyone know how much money was paid for the ground?
            Now I read in the newspaper that Obama is not “endorsing” it although he believes all “religions” have the right to build where they want. More double talk. More squirming around the issue to try and save “face.” I am going to have to shut my mouth on this issue for I fear I will post words that will shock the hell out of everyone on this site. I am truly aggravated with this entire issue. It is BS.

          • Doc Sarvis

            I do not live there but I heard a radio report of an architect talking about the site and the proposed building.

          • independant thinker

            While the location is technicaly not ground zero it is right next door. The building was damaged by debris from one or both airplanes to the extent it must be torn down or at least beyond economic repair. In light of this it should be considered as an auxilary part of ground zero. They want to build their mosque, let em build it on the other side of Manhatten.

            No muslim leader in the US has absolutely condemed the terrorist acts those who sponser the acts, and those who carry them out. Untill they do that I consider all muslims to be believers in the correctness of the actions.

      • Hard Core

        Carefull……..before you know it, everyone will be dealing with the “facts”. You know extremists have rights to.

    • TIMedWork

      Josette, you have 20/20 vision on this one. Thanks for your honesty.

  • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

    Here’s an Idea for all patriotic Americans, the deal for the building has not been consummated as of yet, if I’m wrong on this, I stand corrected.
    If 1.2 million Patriotic American contributed $5 each that would be $7.5 million dollars, more than enough to pay for the site’s asking price, right? We build a Multinational Judeo-Christian Memorial Praying Center on this site, be creative in countering the enemy. As for the Mayor “Bloombutt”, well you decide where he can pray.
    All of our 911 heroes who died deserve this effort, God Bless America and God Bless American Indian Country.

    • TIME

      WIA, Great post dude!

    • Fed Up Gal in NM


      Yes….great idea! Maybe we can all email your suggestion to Fox News and get the word out. Probably wouldn’t even get mentioned on the MSM stations.

    • Granny Mae


      Now that’s a thought ! God Bless !

  • Carol

    I have read both of Obama’s books and many other “polital” types in recent months. I have learned SO much! I studied Islam in years past and I saw it as a religion of LOVE. I knew many Muslims. That is NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW!! This is hate, NOT love! All over the world. Sharia law is being allowed in our country, “honor killings” [Muslim men killing daughters, sisters; raping women!]. They are overriding the laws of America. We cannot allow this or our goose will soon be cooked forever. Pray. Think. Wake up. God Bless America.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      i saw in the paper that the Muslim girl from Ohio that ran away and converted to Christianity has turned 18 and can leave her family now and go where she pleases!!! God Bless her!!!!

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Joe H,

        Yeah…until her family decides to follow her and kill her or have someone else kill her. Such courage she has to stand up against her own family and culture.

        • TIMedWork

          The religion of Islam *commands* all good Mulsims to find her and kill her or kill her father for not doing it.
          But then, all muslims are not “practicing”, good, observant Muslims. According to the Koran, they too are to be killed.
          So much for “peace”.

          • Claire

            TimedWork–I am beginning to think you are one of the authors I have worked for! What you have said IS in some of the books I have edited!

  • Sheldon

    This is what I posted on the “old” thread… just in case you missed it:
    It’s funny how a bunch of you hypocrites invoke the Constitution and whine about the freedom of religion in this country for the slightest mention of “the separation of church and state” or Faux TV’s (phony) “War on Christmas”. Yet freedom of religion doesn’t apply to non-christians. Yours is truly a form of “pretzel logic” (with apologies to Steely Dan).

    Whether or not Islam was spread “at the point of a sword” is irrelevant. The Christians also spread their religion at the point of the sword (see Crusades and see Jesuits v Knights Templar) and they spread their through torture (see Spanish Inquisition). Your “holier than thou” attitude (pun intended) is quite hypocritical, like I originally stated. You want the constitution to protect freedom of religion… but just for Christians. By the way, what do you propose to do with the mosque that ALREADY exists within the shadow of the WTC. The 40 year old Masjid Mosque is about five blocks away .

    • TIME

      Well Sheldon, as I see it why not just keep that old one in service and be happy.
      Now is that clear enough for you, I know how strange you are I saw your show the BIG Bang Theory just the other night, WOW your really funny. Penny, – Penny – Penny….

      • Sheldon

        I LOVE Penny.

    • Jm

      When some guy gets on the air with an interviewer and says “There would be no protest if this was a synagogue or cathederal being built on the site” I wish the interviewer would offer someting like this up:
      No one would protest because any of the worshipers that attend either of those places of worship belong to a religion that has a segment of it that flys planes in to buildings, does honor killings, degrades women, stones women to death for adultery (someting that the men of the muslim religion can do with no consequences)mutilates it’s young girls, or has a book of rules that dictates that any that do not worship in Islam need to be killed.”
      Now I know what you are saying “Yeah, well the bible has plenty of revengeful things written in it like in Exodus that all that work on the sabbath are to be killed.” True, but have any of any faith that abides by the Bible, in recent times, actually killed people who do work on the sabbath? I think not, but even in these modern times when men are supposed to be enlightened there are those of the muslim religion that do many unspeakable things that are written in the Koran.
      When the entire religion of islam JOINS THE CIVILIZED WORLD, truly wants to live in peace and has no designs on destroying all that do not worship according to the Koran, I am sure there will be none that protest the construction of a mosque in any location

    • TIMedWork

      Keep the logic clear: The Bible did not command the knights of Europe to commence the Crusades and kill the Muslims for killing the Christians where they were living. They professed to be going to avenge those conquests of murder. The Bible, however, taught them to “turn the other cheek”. The action to kill was the decision of the killers, not what their Holy Book taught them to do.
      The Koran, the Muslim Holy Book, expressly commands all Muslims to kill all Christians and Jews. There is a (k)night and day difference between the two religions. But as you point out, murderous dogs are still murderous dogs. It’s just that some of them have a manifesto to be such and some of them are going against the teaching of their teacher. Allah said, in the Koran, “I will fill hell with jinn (evil spirits) and men.” It is the wish and will of Allah for men to be in hell for, in this, he derives pleasure. According to the Bible’s New Testament writings, God sent His Son to *keep* men from going to hell. Can you see that there is a distinct difference between the two teachings? One allows for the peace and prosperity of its neighbor and the other call for his conversion to Islam, subservience to Islam or death; no middle ground is accommodated.

      Read, if you will:

      and you might understand a bit better. American isn’t a good home for everyone. It is only for those who want to be Americans. And the Founding Fathers described that group fairly well. Islam rejects that foundation as it directly conflicts with the teachings of Mohammad. Read the Koran. You, too, will be enlightened.


    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      You compare something that happened a thousand years ago with what the Muslims are doing now? talk about apples and oranges !

  • http://gmail i41

    Hard Core, what does that mean, a hard core marxist democrat, Bonehead Omoron was raised as a muslim and the crap head church sure was a muslim loving s–t hole “church” wityh a bunch of muslims spewing anti- Udsa crap. Where is the big Belle and Onumnutts hanging out, with radicals and nut jobs like Cayliso Louie and the Panthers, they sure as hell aren’t southern Baptists.When he scammed the college to get scholarships he was registered as a goat f–ker pedophile muslim plain and simple. he and his Big Mammoho are always knocking the USA and are off pissing taxpayers money on a foriegn land not here in the USA. Don’t see the eleitist bastards spending money in Lou. and pick up tar balls he caused.

    • TIME

      I am 100% sure HC is a real radical Girly man type, totaly – like, for sure. With a name like Hard Core its like too fur shur.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        nah, it’s gotta be hard core porn!! He can’t get the ladies so porn is all he’s got!!!

  • http://gmail i41

    doc, when Marvin told you a persoal issue he has, and your piss brained comment wasn’t even ranked as a smart assed comment. May be Marvin has been in an accident and doesn’t have legs or cann’t use them. As for fat ankles comment, we know know you have a pin head for brain storage compartment, and your fat ankles are from the liberal air being expelled by your mouth which is jammed up your rear and no exit valve. Liberal or conservative don’t knock someone’s diability. I have worked with accident victums and wounded people, and only having one finger is pretty hard to type with or do anything, and with out an index finger it is even tougher. Marvin hang in there, just remember doc is a kind of Lindsay Granham/Tom Dachle crossbrd dink on full moon days.

  • Frank Hanson

    Maybe somoeone will discover old Indian relicks there!!!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Nope there never was any indian temple there. Now Native American, maybe but Indian? Nah! No Maharishis there!!!

      • Frank Hanson

        Joe H.

        I ment “Native” Americans. They can stop any construction.


  • john

    The constitution states freedom of religion, nether for or against.
    But it says nothing about where you may or may not build.

  • Larry

    Just recently Taliban (Muslim) murderers in Afghanistan slaughtered a group of Christian Health workers in an impoverished section of Afghanistan where they were bringing medical aid. The only surviver, the health worker’s driver who is muslim in all probability was in on the killing. Mayor Bloomberg wants a Muslim Mosque built at Ground Zero to honor this religion of peace. The Islamic religion and it’s followers believe in only one thing and that’s the murder of infidels. Either believe in Islam or die.

    • Frank Hanson


      Again, Islam is not a religion it’s purly political!


  • time

    (comment removed for offensive content)

    • http://?? Joe H.

      TIME(the real one!)
      i think this guy came over from the glenn Beck site!! he tried the same thing there, but now Glenn charges for his blog and when you are on welfare, you have to pinch pennies…….

  • Claire

    The photo of the mosque above certainly represents the Muslim/Islam religion. Ugly as sin. I read in this morning’s paper that Obama supports the building of a mosque near Ground Zero. Of course he would, I expected Obama’s approval. He stated “as a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country.” Okay, Mr. President you said your piece, now tell me how you feel about the way Muslims/Islams treat their women and children? Tell me how much you approve of their torturous ways. Tell me how much you approve of the father that killed his teenage daughter because he did not want her to be like an American? Tell me how you feel about the Muslim that went on a rampage at Ft. Hood. Tell me what you think about the Muslim terrorists that are here in the United States and exactly what you plan to do about them. On second thought, don’t tell me a damn thing. I already know who you are, what you are, and what you stand for. Yes, people should be able to practice their own religion but I will not and cannot go along with a cult such as this. I have no use for the Muslim/Islam cult.

    • Claire

      Another item I read in the paper–about the New Jersey blogger. He was convicted for making death threats against three federal judges in Illinois in retaliation for a ruling supporting gun control. He could face up to 10 years in prison.
      I always knew “certain people” were reading these posts and reporting to various “powers that be.” The MSM also reads these posts. The radio talk show entertainers pick up on this stuff too. That is how they “gear” their commentaries. In a sense, I think we are being brainwashed.

      • TIMedWork

        By that same reasoning, since the Koran calls for the death of those same judges if they do not convert to Islam, all Muslims who abide by the Koran should also be arrested and sentenced to 10 years for subscribing to death threats. I see what you mean.
        On another point, if Obama swears on the Bible to uphold the Constitution, but doesn’t believe in what the Bible represents, does he consider his oath valid or merely an opportunity to do as much damage as he can before he’s thrown out? Isn’t just a bit curious that the first official presidential document he signed was hours after his inauguration, preventing anyone from inquiring into his records without 30 days prior written permission to do so? Finding that hard to believe when I read it, I searched and found it myself. Amazing.

        Don’t you find, that with all that faced this nation at that point in time, that this being his very first actionable concern is just a bit curious? You can see a pdf copy of it in the records of the Library of Congress. Real head-scratching stuff if you think he is American; Pretty obvious move if you think he’s not.

        • Claire

          TIMedWork–I have accessed the Library of Congress and have found many interesting tidbits. Regarding Obama, it was a pretty “obvious” move. I will say no more. You already understand what I mean.
          I read your post “Remember” — sounds like you know quite a bit about the Muslims. I have edited quite a few books concerning Muslims, Islams in connection with terrorism as well as their beliefs. You are correct, it is “permissible” for them to lie –to achieve their goals. Your post is right on target. I am impressed with your knowledge.

    • Jana

      When he stated this, he was celebrating the ending of Ramadan at the White House and he was talking to his fellow Muslim friends. He turns his back on all other religions and celebrates Islamic religious holidays.

  • Delores Smith

    PERSONAL LIBERTY NEWS DESK – An excellent article -
    Do all of you feel the same way that Amam Rauf does about the mosque near Ground Zero? Do you understand the insensitity of building a mosque near sacred ground that killed about 3,000 people at Ground Zero. This will not be a mosque…it is an attempt to build a SYMBOL OF A CONQUEST. I know now that it was not radicals that attacked on 9/11. It was Muslims. I know this because of the behavior of Amam Rauf. He is just another form of terrorism. Families of victims would like to visit Ground Zero in peace where their loved ones were incinerated. Instead, an evil mosque wants to tower over Ground Zero. No Muslim can deny that Islamic Terrorists have been funded through Islamic Mosques. They use the Koran and Islamic Clerics to guide them. American Muslims, speak out against the building of this evil mosque on behalf of the souls of Ground Zero. Tell Rauf to find another location away this hallowed site.
    Delores Smith

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Delores Smith,
      I can’t help but think that Aman Rauf sounds like something one would do when drinking too much booze!!!

      • Jana

        you are right, it does.
        I loved that idea about pigs blood scattered all over the site where their future Mosque was to be built. They would have to leave a few of the pigs laying around so they would know for sure it was pigs blood. Yep, VERY GOOD IDEA.

  • Robin Kieliszkowski

    WE WILL NEVER FORGET!!! This is what we said the day after we were attacked by these people. This, I believe was the very last day we as Americans stood together, that is before the politicians and crazies started to spin their twisted version of what happened. Islam/Muslim is not for peace. These people believe Americans are there enemies, they have come to this country to infiltrate and destroy our Great Nation. If this mosque is built at this intended site, it will dis-honor all those who lost their lives as well as those who were the first responders to this terrible tragedy. The mosque would be a monument to their conquest(Cordoba) in America. This country was founded by God Loving, respectful and honorable men and women. How far must we stray before we don’t recognize this our beloved USA. Not only are we the people more divided as a country on politics/religion etc.. than ever before, but they the enemies are watching as our own government is destroying our country from the inside. So many people are still asleep and are unaware of what is happening in this country. WAKE UP EVERYONE!! Let us all stand together to bring this nation back to our founding principles. ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, WITH LIBERTY and JUSTICE for ALL. I know…I WILL NEVER FORGET!

  • jim

    Building Permit

    I recently applied for a building permit for a new house.

    It was going to be 100 ft tall and 400 ft wide with 9 gun turrets at
    various heights and windows all over the place and a loud outside
    entertainment sound system.

    It would have parking for 200 cars and I was going to paint it snot
    green with pink trim.

    The City Council told me to forget it…..AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN !

    So I sent the application in again, but this time I called it a Mosque.

    ………Work starts on Monday

    • Fed Up Gal in NM


      Funny…..but sad too…because I can see that happening :-(

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Fed Up Gal,
        I could just see one of these things being built in a residential neighborhood!! about the time the call to prayer came over the loud speakers, the speakers would be shot out!!!

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Joe H,

          Now that’s a thought! I know I can always count on you to provide us with a humorous thought. I can just hear it now….pop pop pop….and then BOOOM :-)

  • Bob Wire

    You know , ~ in every war we get into ~ we get these ~ these transplants, refugees, coming here from a war zone. ~

    Maybe before 43 & 41 opened up this king size can of whoop a$$, someone should have been smart enough to have thought things through!

    Now they are HERE! ~ Yea god!

    I don’t like it ` you don’t like it ~ and they have no plans to blending in! They plan to promote themselves, and they will.

    Basically we have crapped in our nest ! and things are to never be the same. ~ So much for Opie and Mayberry, Aunt B and the gang.

    They are going to take the “freedom to worship” and beat us over the head with it. They will work to bring us to their level by just contenting with them and permitting them the same liberties the rest of Americans hold dear.

    There will be No Peace from this day forward, I see it as a “scourge” on the land. Like herpes, once you’ve got it ! You got it!

    Why do you think the USSR had the kind of government it did? The process of governing people that practice such stone age beliefs defies explanation. And some of you worry about a Republic, I’d say we’ve got larger concerns.

    Somebody needs to start using their head for something besides a hat rack.

    • TIMedWork

      Our “freedom to worship” comes from a Constitution that was written according to the principles of Christianity, for a country whose first President prayed publicly to the God whom the Preamble referenced, the God of the Bible. So in this context, freedom of religious practice was part of our foundation. John Adams, as a signer of The Declaration of Independence, a lawyer from Massachusetts and a Founding Father of this country wrote about the philosophy of Islam, which he did not consider to be a religion at all.

      In the minds of the Founding Fathers, those people who wrote the document granting tolerance of religion, which you referenced, for them, tolerance of any philosophy that commanded the death of everyone else who did not agree with it was not in the program for toleration. It was not considered a religion. It was viewed as an excuse and motivator for murderous conquest. At least according to what is written in the Holy Koran.

  • Bob Wire

    Here’s the latest from Time; some two hours old

    >>Obama’s Islamic-Center Stance: Why the GOP Shouldn’t Run Against It
    By Mark Halperin Monday, Aug. 16, 2010

    Dear Republican Party:

    Your moment is now.

    This weekend, President Obama defended the right of Muslims to build a community center and mosque two short blocks from Ground Zero, despite cries of insensitivity from some New Yorkers and accusations of mischief from some pundits. This finally gives you an opportunity to add a powerful national-security cudgel to the message of economic woe you have been pushing as the midterm election approaches.

    The political potency of the issue is obvious. Polls overwhelmingly show the President has put himself on the wrong side of public opinion. Opposition to the new facility arouses acute emotion and creates near total unity among relatives of 9/11 victims, first responders, Republican officeholders, potential 2012 presidential candidates, Tea Party members, the Fox News–talk radio–Drudge Report echo machine and many of the highly coveted swing and occasional voters whom you will need at the polls to win in November.

    Up until now, you have restricted yourself as much as possible to an economic message, eschewing social issues and foreign policy as you try to establish contrasts for the electorate between your brand and the Obama-Pelosi-Reid record. This is a smart, straightforward strategy, since worried voters chiefly are concerned about unemployment and the nation’s future financial prospects.

    But you also have been frustrated by the President’s skill at limiting Democratic vulnerability on the party’s traditional weak spot, national-security issues. Sure, Obama remains a young, inexperienced Commander in Chief with few discernible foreign policy achievements. But he has left almost no room for attack on his security record. He has shrewdly retained Bush’s Defense Secretary (letting Robert Gates take the lead on Pentagon budget cutting); continued many of the previous Administration’s antiterrorism policies at home and abroad, to the chagrin of some civil libertarians; engaged in a tough assassination campaign against suspected al-Qaeda operatives around the world; and emphasized the necessity of winning in Afghanistan, placing the revered David Petraeus in charge of the game plan. In 2008, Obama was the first Democratic presidential candidate since Bill Clinton in 1992 to successfully play offense on national-security issues, and his bold choices and canny instincts have thus far served him well in warding off GOP assaults in office. All the while, he has adeptly dodged the Muslim issue, often a subject of slick gossip and bizarre innuendo, which you have wisely left to gather dust since the campaign.

    Now Obama has given you an in. At a White House dinner on Friday celebrating the start of Ramadan, the President took a position. “Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country,” he said. “That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in Lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances.” This remark opened the door so wide that walking through it will be effortless. Even your usually tone-deaf national chairman, Michael Steele, could not mess this one up. If you go full force on the offensive, every Democratic candidate in every competitive race in the country will have three choices, none of them good, when asked about the Islamic center: side with Obama and against public opinion; oppose Obama and deal with the consequences of intraparty disunity; or refuse to take a position, waffling impotently and unattractively at a crucial time. (Read about the imam behind the mosque.)

    Say what you will about the wisdom of Obama’s policies overall, but his belated commentary on religious freedoms clearly was not done for political gain. Quite the contrary. the President knew that he and his party would almost certainly pay a political price for taking a stand, especially this close to the election, and with few prominent leaders, other than New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, on the White House’s side. The reaction since the President spoke has been vitriolic and unvarying from leading voices on the right, painting Obama as weak, naive, out of touch and obtuse (not to mention flip-flopping, after his confusing follow-up comments Saturday suggested to some that he might be hedging his position).

    Yes, Republicans, you can take advantage of this heated circumstance, backed by the families of the 9/11 victims, in their most emotional return to the public stage since 2001.

    But please don’t do it. There are a handful of good reasons to oppose allowing the Islamic center to be built so close to Ground Zero, particularly the family opposition and the availability of other, less raw locations. But what is happening now — the misinformation about the center and its supporters; the open declarations of war on Islam on talk radio, the Internet and other forums; the painful divisions propelled by all the overheated rhetoric — is not worth whatever political gain your party might achieve.

    It isn’t clear how the battle over the proposed center should or will end. But two things are profoundly clear: Republicans have a strong chance to win the midterm elections without picking a fight over President Obama’s measured words. And a national political fight conducted on the terms we have seen in the past few days will lead to a chain reaction at home and abroad that will have one winner — the very extreme and violent jihadists we all can claim as our true enemy.

    As I said, Republicans, this is your moment. As a famous New Yorker once urged in a very different context: Do the right thing.<<

    Read more:

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    Hmm? ~ I don't understand the writers logic.

    How's it going to hurt the GOP for people to protest this encroachment?

    Midterm GOP gains are inevitable, a given. So why not offer united resistance to this? Unless he feels it's a bid enough issue to sway "some voters" to vote GOP.

    I'm being forced to put my "father hat" on here. ~ I can only "take away" what I've permitting my children to have.

    This Mosque can come down faster then it went up but why push these issues so far?

    This pro stance will be the President's biggest political error even though he is voicing American principles and values we all agree with and hold so dear.

    I know many of you greatly dislike Obama and this offers you just one more reason. I admire him for being the way he is ~ but I sure don't agree with him on this one.

    I'm just being red neck about it. ~ Not knowing too many such people personally and the ones I have met, I disliked, finding it most difficult to conduct business with them, without wanting to kick their butts before the job completed and we've settled up.

    It's them and not me ~ after 40 years of conducting business, one would "think" I would know whats "acceptable" business practices and negotiations.

  • TIMedWork

    According to Islam and the Holy Quran, it is permissible to lie, as long as you are lying to the “enemy”, e.g., Christians and Jews, “the people of the Book” if, in so doing, a Muslim is better able to kill the Jews and the Christians. It’s in the Koran, clearly and unequivocally spelled out. Read it.
    An Islamic Center is a center for the dissemination of this teaching or it is not a true and faithful Islamic center, for only true Islamic teaching espouses murdering the un-converted enemy. Any teaching that does not call for the killing of Jews and Christians is not from Allah through his Prophet, Mohammad. According to the Koran, anyone who tried to water down this teaching about conversion or killing is to be killed. So don’t condemn to death, by other faithful and observant Muslims, the Muslims that you like because they are “peaceful” by naming them “peaceful ones”: it is against their teaching to be peaceful with any Jew or Christian that is not subservient to them under Sharia Law or has converted to Islam.
    No exceptions allowed.

    • Duende

      I think the Xtians and Jews have certainly done their share to kill or burn at stakes people who opposed their viewpoints. And most certainly would like to. Kill any doctors lately? Maybe some gays? Or maybe attacked some Muslim countries (ooops.. I let the cat out of the bag)

      • paladion

        The Ground Zero Mosque’s project makes a mockery of our constitutional right to speech, religion, and even privacy, and also, a slap on the face of the American people.
        This project constitute a Pandora cage filled with a lot of trouble further on the way. It comes to our mind the words of the first president of México Benito Juarez: A lasting peace can only be achieved by respecting the rights of your neighbor (“El respeto al derecho ajeno es la paz”


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