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Lawsuit Seeks Redress For U.S. Residents Put On "No-Fly List"

July 19, 2010 by  

In an effort to combat the threat of terrorism the Federal government has resorted to controversial tactics such as electronic surveillance and a no-fly list. However, a major civil rights organization has recently filed a lawsuit alleging that officials have abused the list and caused innocent Americans to be banned from planes.

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed the suit at the end of June on behalf of 10 individuals—all of whom are United States citizens or lawful residents—who it says were put on the no-fly list without an explanation or a chance to clear their names.

Among the plaintiffs are Raymond Earl Knaeble, a U.S. citizen and Army veteran who has not been able to fly back to the U.S. from Colombia, as well as Steven Washburn, another citizen and veteran, who, after being prevented from flying from Europe to the U.S., crossed the border by land escorted by U.S. and Mexican officials, according to the ACLU.

“More and more Americans who have done nothing wrong find themselves unable to fly, and in some cases unable to return to the U.S., without any explanation whatsoever from the government,” said Ben Wizner, staff attorney with the ACLU National Security Project.

“A secret list that deprives people of the right to fly and places them into effective exile without any opportunity to object is both un-American and unconstitutional,” he added.ADNFCR-1961-ID-19893118-ADNFCR

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  • Alexandra Barrett

    Since when is the ACLU a “major civil rights organization”? As soon as I saw the topic and that reference, I thought it was the ACLU but wondered if Bob Livingston would give them that misnomer. The ACLU has had an avowed communist agenda since its inception. It is neither American, nor civil, nor does it stand for liberty. In fact, it’s quite the opposite. Let’s make that perfectly clear in the future, please.

    • JC

      Exactly right…like the “Federal Reserve”…the name is Orwellian Doublespeak. The opposite of what it actually is. At least that’s what I was told at the Ministry of Truth. ;)

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Let’s see, then the federal reserve would really be the civillian dump, right?

        • JC

          The Private Money factory? ;)

  • Jay

    This lawsuit by the ACLU is, in this case, laudable, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

  • eddie47d

    ACLU doesn’t have an Avowed communistic agenda.They just take on extreme cses and issues and this ruffles your feathers. If a situation is bad for someone or some issue then let’s get involved and help solve these problems. If the ACLU is willing to take up the mantel for wrongly accused Americans then so be it. There have been several stories of people being detained and put on no-fly lists,even children. Name are mixed up,but it should be a simple correction instead of lawyers getting involved.

    • JC

      Actually the ACLU has the effect of “making everyone the same”….which is entirely communist. They’re definately part of the NWO’s aganda of removing individual rights…in the name of conformity and (I could just barf) “Political Correctness”

  • s c

    When the ACLU is worth having around, pigs will fly at supersonic speeds, politicians will be as honest as the day is long, Congress will make sense and the LOSERS in the White House will stand for honest government, intellectual potential and the Constitution will be preserved, protected and defended.
    For now, the ACLU is as reputable as a rapist in a retirement home, and anyone who supports that half-@$$ed group isn’t even close to playing with a full deck. May the ACLU gobble the same low-quality crap they dish out until it is forced out of existence.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      come on, man don’t hold back. Tell us what you REALLY think of the ACLU!!!!

      • s c

        JoeH, was I too ‘conservative’ or too ‘liberal’ in my estimation of the ACLU? My comments must have been fairly polite, when you consider that if I used specific language that best describes the ACLU’s true worth to America, most of my comments would be deleted. I think most people understand (and agree) that if we could figure out how to flush the effin’ ACLU down the nearest toilet, I’d volunteer to have both hands on the toilet handle.

  • justcommonsense

    A Communist founded the ACLU. Egghead socialists promoted it. And now, unthinking American sheeple think that it is was the Mainstream Media tell us it is. The TRUTH: ACLU is bad.

  • JC

    The “No-Fly” list is just another avenue of Kafkaesque subversion of American rights and liberties. It isn’t there to protect us, it’s there to control us.

    • dan of arizona

      good thing i dont fly anymore i no im on the list along with every person that served in the military. i guess since the naacp is playing the race card that the aclu needed something to get them air time. whats happened to this country have i been in a coma that im not aware of.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        dan of Arizona,
        I served for almost eight years active, eighteen months in RVN and I have flown many times. That is not cutting P-lousy any slack for what she said, but I think we should deal in the truth!! The progressives lie enough for ALL of us!!!

        • dan of arizona

          joe h not sure were your going with that i realy am on the list and only because i was in the service my own x govenor put us there we are a threat we no how to kill and we can control anything they though at us
          when obumer drove threw williams i was not aload to be there im a conservative and i have my opinions so that also makes me a threat so be it

  • independant thinker

    While they get it right every once in a very great while the ACLU is a selective defender of liberties. They will not defend a second amendment case and in fact believe the second amendment does not apply to the individual.

  • Jeff in OH

    I think the ACLU should be on the NO-FLY list, that way we will ground most terrorist…

  • Joyce

    Every once in awhile ACLU DOES get it right, but that is no reason to give them any support. After analyzing their performance over many years, I’ve found that they stick pretty close to a socialist, atheistic agenda. They are agaist capital punishment but for abortion on demand (at any time and by whomever), and against ANY public expression of religious devotion (to hell with free speech!)—especially that of Christians. Their goal of “equal treatment under the law” sounds well-intentioned until you realize how selective they are about WHICH parts of the Constitution and Bill of Rights they choose for litigation!

  • Joe Ohio

    Well, we don’t know the outcome yet. Maybe the ACLU is doing the gov’t a favor by taking the case and then taking a fall – oh my, we lost but it was a good try!
    I wouldn’t put it past them to do something like this and who knows when you fly out of the country and we have these secret lists and they don’t let you fly back – maybe they’re doing you a favor. Heck, it seems that if you were really a threat to them they’d make the plane fall out of the sky like they have so many other times in the past to people they couldn’t threaten or change to their liking.
    So be thankful that you and your other passengers aren’t dead.

  • s c

    In effect, Uncle Scam has risen to new heights of sheer incompetence. It’s one thing to have a name similar to a known terrorist. When it comes to little kids being on a no-fly list, or Uncle Scam touting a no-fly list as something that is infallible, Uncle Scam shows the world just how retarded he can be.
    If fair was fair, those two carbon footprint violators in the White House should be on that same no-fly list. Each time they take another extended flight to other countries, the Sierra Club and every environmental wacko should run screaming into the streets.
    What do we get? Silence from the enviro wackos, and more wasted trips from the boobsy twins, and taxpayers take it in the shorts AGAIN. The insanity just goes on and on and on, folks.

  • dan of arizona

    Dan3803 of AZ:

    This just gives me “the hope and change” warm feeling all over the place!!

    Subject: Special army unit ready to be deployed on American soil just before Nov.. The announcement earlier this week, that Andrew (Andy) Stern, President of the SEIU would be resigning very quickly, is very interesting considering.
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    This just gives me “the hope and change” warm feeling all over the place!!

    Subject: Special army unit ready to be deployed on American soil just before Nov.. The announcement earlier this week, that Andrew (Andy) Stern, President of the SEIU would be resigning very quickly, is very interesting considering. What is said in this article about him and his Union Thugs.

    In October of this year, one month prior to the November midterm elections, a special army unit known as ‘Consequence Management Response Force’ will be ready for deployment on American soil, if so ordered by the President.

    The special force, which is the new name being given to the 1st Brigade Combat Team of the 3rd Infantry Division, has been training at Fort Stewart, Georgia and is composed of 80,000 troops.

    According to the Army Times, they may be called upon to help with civil unrest, crowd control or deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

    The key phrase is, ‘may be called upon to help with civil unrest.’ This afternoon, a local radio talk show host reported that he’d been in contact with a member of the military. This military source stated that the armed forces have been alerted to the strong possibility that civil unrest may occur in the United States this summer, prior to the midterm elections of 2010.

    The source described this as ‘our long, hot summer of discontent’ that could be eerily reminiscent of the summer of 1968 when riots broke out in many of our largest cities.

    However, the summer of 2010 could well be much worse due to the players involved. In 1968 the major players were war protesters. This time, the outrage simmering beneath the surface of American society involves a broad cross-section of the heartland, and most of them are heavily armed.

    It’s highly unlikely these citizens would ever initiate armed conflict of any kind. In their view, gun rights are for self-defense, and for defense against tyrannical government, which our Founders regarded as the most dangerous force on earth.

    However, it’s become clear that other groups may well initiate violence in order to start an ‘incident’ that would give Obama and a rogue Congress a reason to implement martial law, confiscate the citizens’ guns, enforce curfews, and suspend all future elections until such time as it’s deemed ‘safe’ to proceed with human liberty as encapsulated in the right to vote.

    Tea Party members, for example, have been warned in recent days that members of Andy Stern’s SEIU union and members of the organization formerly known as ACORN plan to infiltrate Tea Party gatherings in order to incite some sort of incident that could result in armed conflict. (HELLO!!..This has already been reported on FOX News!)

    In addition, all indications point to a humiliating defeat for the Democrats and Obama in November. Not only will the House in all likelihood transfer to Republican control, but it’s increasingly possible for the Democrats to lose the Senate as well. There are Left-wing groups in this country that would use whatever means necessary to prevent that from happening.

    ACORN has already gone underground, changing its name so as to fly beneath the radar screen. How many people will the group register to vote illegally? With Obama’s plan to naturalize between 10 and 20 million illegal aliens, a brand new voter base for the Democrats will be in place prior to November.

    Add to this the growing unrest over continued high unemployment, the coming spike in interest rates and inflation, and the still-boiling outrage over the manner in which Obama and the Democrats shoved ObamaCare down the throats of the citizens, and all of the ingredients are present for a major F-5 tornado to sweep across the heartland.

    To what extent would soldiers use deadly force during such ‘civil unrest’ should the Consequence Management Response Team be utilized? During the anti-war riots of the 1960s they killed student protesters. What about now?

    The military source cited by the radio host today was asked this very question. He would merely say that the culture of the U.S. military is changing; half support Obama and the other half are dead-set against him. His conclusion? There’s no way to know for sure if they’d obey an order to open fire on ordinary citizens.

    Update: The Cato Institute published this warning when the program was launched in its first phase in 2008 (the program has been updated and expanded since 2008). The Founders insisted that standing armies were never to be used against American citizens on our own soil, no matter what violations of this principle have occurred in the years following. In the spirit of the Patriots and of real journalists, government must be questioned constantly and held to intense scrutiny in order to preserve liberty.

    How’s that for change? Don’t you feel better now? I hope you’re prepared.


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