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Lawmakers In Tennessee May Ban Gay Talk In Public Schools

April 28, 2011 by  

Lawmakers in Tennessee may ban gay talk in public schoolsTennessee educators may soon be prohibited from discussing homosexuality in school.

According to FOX News, the State Senate’s Education Committee approved legislation entitled Don’t Say Gay last week, which would ban public school teachers in grades K-8 from addressing homosexuality in school. If the bill is approved by lawmakers and signed by the governor, instructors could lose their jobs or their tenure if they violate the mandate.

State Senator Stacey Campfield (R-Knoxville) has been trying to advance the bill for years, but Don’t Say Gay recently gained traction when Republicans won control of the governor’s mansion, House and Senate for the first time since the Civil War era, according to the media outlet.

Campfield has cited cases in Massachusetts and California, where children as young as 5 have been taught about gay issues. He claims that teachers in some States have made a concerted effort to fight anti-gay discrimination by discussing homosexuality in class.

Jonathan Cole, chairman of the the Tennessee Equality Project (TEP), a gay-rights organization, told the media outlet that Don’t Say Gay is a ploy to advance a social agenda in schools. He also predicted that this bill, if approved, would increase the risk of suicide among gay students.

“If a child is experiencing issues relating to their sexual orientation or identity, they would be unable to discuss those issues with the adults who are supervising and teaching them,” TEP wrote in a Change.org petition.

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  • Jeremy Leochner

    The best I can think is that any discussion related to issues of politics, social conditions of our country, civil rights, or just aspects of modern life could warrant discussion of gay rights issues. I see no reason to outright ban discussion of such issues. Afterall such discussions can teach children the simple lesson to not judge someone without getting to know them. Perhaps certain conditions should be set for appropriate times and manners to discuss such issues as one would with any discussion of matters such as politics or religion. But there is no need to make it illegal to discuss homosexuality.

    • http://naver samurai1966

      Why not? They’ve already made it bad to pray in schools and do anything Christian in schools, like they should be doing according to George Washington and the Northwest Ordinance of April 7, 1789. Gays are nor natural and is an immoral lifestyle. Since parents can make decisions about what their children should learn, these classes (among other things) count also. Tennessee is also part of the Bible Belt. Gay actions aren’t tolerated by God nor in a proper society. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Jeremy Leochner

        It is not nor should it be bad to be a christian or to pray in school. Its simply not a matter of official policy. Schools are about education and awarness. The issue of the rights of homosexuals is a serious issue. Its best to not present just one side but I feel the best approach is simply to encourage an open mind and not make judgments of people based on what your parents say or based on what anyone says. Get to know before judging.

        • Kate8

          It’s just like it’s mandated to teach Islam, but forbidden to teach Christianity, or even bring it up.

          Children, especially grade school kids, should not be presented with sexual issues AT ALL. The only reason for doing so is to sexualize them at a very young age, and to impress upon them the idea of “sexual diversity” before they have any awareness of what it’s all about.

          It also removes the right of parents to raise their children according to their own morals and values. This is exactly what the intent is here, as well.

          The Left is stealing the minds of our children, and aren’t even trying to hide it anymore. They are simply using laws and the courts to slap down anyone who objects to WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Kate I am in college and I have many friends who are in college and some still in high school. Never have they been taught Islam. The only thing I ever hear about Islam is that not all muslims are terrorists. As to sexuality I can agree that its rarely appropriate to discuss issues of hetero and homosexuality. One thing I will say is I am on the left and have no desire to steal childrens minds. I just feel children should be encouraged to make up their own minds on issues rather than just accept what they are told. Parents have a right and obligation to care for their children and teach them good wholesome values. But at the end of the day its up to the child to make up their mind of how they are going to act and values they will hold dear. I was never given values or morals from school other than hardwork, education and hope for the future. I got my morals from both listening to my parents and looking at the world from as many ways as I could.

          • Kate8

            Jeremy – It is a parent’s responsibility to guide their children according to the values they wish to instill in them. Children minds are very vulnerable, and children are not capable of deciding their own values until they reach adulthood. This whole argument is nothing more than liberal justification for corrupting our kids. All you have to do is to look at the moral confusion that has gripped our youth and, in fact, their parents.

            Teaching Islam IS mandated in many places in the US, in part because the Saudis have poured BILLIONS into the American education system. There has been a huge amount of conflict over this very thing in CA, where kids were even required to dress Muslim and practice daily prayers and rituals while studying Islam.

            Just because you, personally, don’t want to steal kids’ minds, doesn’t mean that the factions you support don’t. You have been raised with these ideas, and you, like so many young people, have never seen the radical changes in America in a few decades. You have also been taught not to respect the values of the older generation, who have much more wisdom and can often see through the whitewash you are presented with.

            This is an age old progression, one that has collapsed many nations throughout history. This truth has been eradicated from our education system, and replaced with a revised “history” in order to promote an agenda.

            The issue of homosexuality is one that has been used to degrade nations since the beginning of time, yet it is sold to youth as something “new” and “progressive”.

            History unlearned is history repeated. Such is the way of nations in the struggle between good and evil, freedom and slavery. And it is something that, no doubt, will never change, as long as humanity is so willing to sell it’s collective soul for the promise of a government benefactor.

          • 45caliber

            Kate8:

            I agree with you . This whole thing is a way to teach kids when they are too young to know what might be right and wrong. I believe one of the reasons is that too many elderly want to have sex with the young and want to teach them that this is okay. Further, they want the kids to start getting interested in sex at a young age. I saw a recent study that over half of FIFTH graders (11 years old) are engaged in sex of one type or another. When I was in the fifth grade we barely knew what girls were other than not as good at running or playing baseball.

            Jeremy:

            This is hope for you. So far you haven’t been fully indoctrinated into the belief that you have to shout down anyone who disagrees with you. Nearly all college students are liberal since they haven’t been exposed to the trials of living yet. In fact, Ben Franklin once stated: “If a man is not a liberal when he is young, he doesn’t have a heart. If he is not a conservative when he is old, he doesn’t have a brain.”

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Kate I assure you I try my best to respect the views and values of my elders. My grandparents are very liberal in their views and they helped instill me with a love of history. I support ideas not factions. If an idea is good I support. If the people pushing that idea suddenly do something I disagree with I dont support them. I had no agenda pushed on me and I strive to push no agenda. Homosexuals are not all bad and I feel it is simple common courtesy to not judge people without getting to know them. Just as I want respect for who I am and what I believe so I try to give respect to others.

          • Kate8

            That’s fine, Jeremy. But history is not an idea. It’s a chronology of events that shape the character of a nation.

            Revise history and the whole thing changes.

            When you leave a child to form ideas on his own, you can be sure they will be formed by the things he sees and hears. Whatever ideas to which he’s predominately exposed will be the ideas he accepts.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            I agree on history being events. But Kate how is it rewriting history. I love history and listen to various viewpoints on events. How am I supporting rewriting history. Give me an example of rewriting history.

          • iowaheretic

            I JUST CAN’T BELIEVE YOU PEOPLE!!! I know now I was right when I thought to myself that talking to a christian is the same as talking to a Jack-O-Lantern. Do you know what is inside it’s head? Nothing! What article did you read??? This article said that the Republicans in Tennessee finally got thier bill pushed through which says teachers CANNOT TALK ABOUT GAY ISSUES or even say the word “GAY”. Isn’t this what you christians wanted???????????? And where on earth did you see the word “Islam” anywhere in this article? Or anything about them? By the way, they are just as stupid as any fundamentalist christian, so I don’t see why you are so against them, they are about the same thing as you. In fact, the word “Islam” just means submission to god. The word “Allah” means god. Yahweh, Allah, and God are the exact same entity that the three religions of Abraham have been killing each other for the last 2000 years!
            I still just can’t believe that the christian Republicans finally got something they’ve been fighting for years to get pushed through……..AND YOU”RE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT!!!

          • Jay

            iowaheretic, were you born stupid or you just really work hard at it? The only thing your lengthy non-sensical statement bought to light, is your ignorance of religions, your incapacity to understand the fundamental differences in their doctrines, and your hatred of religions! Have another beer and go back to sleep, you ignorant maniac!

          • iowaheretic

            To Jay-TARD; All you did was prove that I am right again! If you take a pumpkin, gut the inside of it, carve a stupid looking face on it, and then talk to it, it would be just like talking to YOURSELF in the mirror!
            This article said that the Tennesse Republicans were trying to pass a bill YOU INFANTILE CHRISTIANS WANT, and all any of you are doing is crying and whining and complaining about it as if you don’t even understand what it means. Don’t you understand english? Well, my mistake, look who I’m talking to, of course you don’t understand anything, there’s nothing in your head but stale air. Sorry.
            And this article said NOTHING about forcing teachers to teach Islam to the students, but your all complaining about that too. Oops, my mistake again….talking to airheads. Sorry.

          • Jay

            iowaheretic, is your dad also your brother? You inbred lunatic!

        • JC

          Jeremy Leochner says:

          April 28, 2011 at 11:52 am

          It is not nor should it be bad to be a christian or to pray in school. Its simply not a matter of official policy. Schools are about education and awarness.
          ___________________________________________________________________

          Ok, fair enough. So while we’re busy making children “aware” of this particular perversion….why not cover the gamut?
          Bestiality is ok between two consenting…what? Beasts?
          And Auto erotica…let’s make sure that 6 year olds fully understand what that is too and that it is enhanced through drug use…no point not making our children curious about it right?

          And since we’re on the topic of “awareness” let’s make them aware that Muslims are supposed to kill infidels…that’s most of us here by the way.

          Let’s see what else… OH! let’s tell them while their still young and impressionable that our entire legal and political system is a complete sham and that they will be enslaved one way or another for their entire lives. And I could go on….

          I mean, certainly you must agree Jeremy….
          It’s all about “awareness” right?

          • Kate8

            JC – Great post.

          • Kevin

            It seems that the one who needs to take a course in awareness is you. What you mention has nothing to do with the issue at hand. What does teaching diversity, which is all that any states which have adopted lessons touching on homosexuality teach, have to do with bestiality or auto-erotica? You are equating molesting an animal and sado-masochism to two people of the same gender sharing an emotional bond. Your view on Islam is very ignorant, as only a small fraction of Muslims believe in the “death to infidels” ideal.

            But I guess that it is important to pretend that there is only one way of life. I’m sure that kids will learn about life on their own. The internet is filled with all sorts of accurate unbiased information. Kids can learn from their. Then they will actually be exposed to sexual material and information.

          • JC

            Kevin says:
            April 28, 2011 at 5:32 pm
            It seems that the one who needs to take a course in awareness is you. What you mention has nothing to do with the issue at hand. What does teaching diversity, which is all that any states which have adopted lessons touching on homosexuality teach, have to do with bestiality or auto-erotica? You are equating molesting an animal and sado-masochism to two people of the same gender sharing an emotional bond.
            ___________________________________________________________________

            No, I’m equating it to two people of the same gender sharing a “sexual” bond. And I really don’t care one way or another what perversions people get up to behind closed doors…just keep it out of the schools.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Kevin,
            If only a small percentage of muslims believe in the death to infidels, then why don’t the ones that don’t believe in it speak out against it??? you mean to tell me that among all those muslims, there’s not one bonefied PAIR????

          • Jay

            By its very definition, diversity, and the study of diversity, as JC rightly pointed out, means all, not just the homosexual lifestyle!

          • Kevin

            Wrong Jay, since JC’s examples were not lifestyles. He mentioned a practice of animal abuse and self abusive sex. How are these lifestyles? All that any of the schools that currently have diversity programs teach are that some families have two mommies, some have two daddies, some have one mommy, some have one daddy, etc. They are not teaching about sex. What is so difficult to understand about this? You all want to turn this into some twisted and perverse attempt to expose young children to sex. That is not the case, not even close.

            And JC – Many Muslim leaders have spoken out against the violent acts of faction groups like Al Queda. If the majority of Muslims believed in killing infidels, don’t you think we would be experiencing more 9/11 like attacks? The Muslim faith is the largest organized faith globally. Islam is actually a religion about peace. Just like some Christians who use the Bible to persecute others and claim they are doing God’s work, there are Muslims who use sections of the Q’uran to make their cause seem ordained by Allah, but the majority believe in the actual message of peace.

          • Jay

            Wrong Kevin, all sexual preferences are in essence lifestyles, including bestiality, pedophilia, self abuse and so on. However, marriage is a sacred institution, not a lifestyle. On the other hand Homosexuality is a lifestyle of perversion and not a sacred institution! Just my opinion.

          • JC

            Go Jay! :)

            And Kevin, the key word was “awareness” not lifestyle.

          • JC

            PS Kevin,
            Radical Islam is an open threat to our well being, period.
            As good as your wordsmithing might be, you’re either missing or trying to convolute the bottom line, every time.

          • Kevin

            If you can’t make the distinction between two consenting adults of the same gender making a commitment to each other and a person molesting an animal that is your issue, not mine. That has nothing to do with “awareness.” As far as perversion goes, there are heterosexual couples who engage in many perverse acts, should we bring those up? It seems that you have no issue with anything heterosexuals do?

            And Jay, once again you want to try to twist things to make yourself sound smart. The original statement made was about Muslims, not radical Muslims. My posts address the radical factions of Muslims who pose a threat. But, if you had bothered to actually read and not allow your bias to prevent you from understanding, you would see that I said that the majority of Muslims do not believe in being violent and do not support the actions of the radicalists like Al Queda. Fred Phelps is a Christian. Should I simply believe that all Christians are like him and feel that military funerals are legitimate protest sites against homosexuality? Luckily I actually use common sense and can separate the few radicals from the many who actually want to follow the true message of their religion.

          • JC

            Kevin says:
            April 29, 2011 at 6:00 am
            If you can’t make the distinction between two consenting adults of the same gender making a commitment to each other and a person molesting an animal that is your issue, not mine. That has nothing to do with “awareness.” As far as perversion goes, there are heterosexual couples who engage in many perverse acts, should we bring those up? It seems that you have no issue with anything heterosexuals do?
            ___________________________________________________________________

            Oh Kevin, poor dear Kevin…
            I can certainly make the distiction between two people engaging in perversion and one inflicting themselves on an innocent animal…but why bother? Perverts are perverts. And I guess you insist on being recognized as one…and there enlies the problem. I don’t care what you do with another man or whatever it is that gets your rocks off…it’s none of my business you see. So try and have a little class…and keep it to yourself.

          • Kevin

            You managed to avoid the issue JC. Why is it perverse for two people to share a committed bond with each other just because they are of the same gender? Who gets to decide this? I don’t have any desire for children to know anything about sex of any kind. I don’t think that they should be hidden from the fact that gay people exist though. Would it be ok if schools taught that homosexuality was a perversion to children? Would you be upset then?

          • JC

            Kevin says:

            April 29, 2011 at 7:20 am

            You managed to avoid the issue JC. Why is it perverse for two people to share a committed bond with each other just because they are of the same gender?….

            _____________________________________________________________________

            You petty little child. How demanding of you that we address “your” issues.
            Yes, homosexuality is a perversion. The reason our bodies are designed by God or Nature to engage in sexual intercourse is for procreation. Tell me how it is that anal sex allows for this?
            Tell me how two people of the same gender engaging in a sex act will produce children as designed by God or Nature?
            They can’t…and that is because homosexuality is an aberration of nature…ergo, a perversion of what was intended by God or Nature.

            So if you’re looking for acceptance…I suggest any bar in Frisco’s Castro district.

            Other than that…as I said, try and show a little class and keep yourself to yourself.

          • Kevin

            I’m a petty child for feeling that I shouldn’t be treated like a freak? I didn’t choose to be gay, it’s who I am. I accept that and I am comfortable with that. I don’t want to force other people to accept it, but I also don’t believe that you have the right to pretend that we don’t exist. This bill as about more than teaching lessons about diversity which mention homosexual people. It also involves not allowing school employees to discuss homosexuality with students who are having a hard time understanding their own feelings. What is to be done for these kids? Who are they to turn to? I guess since they are just abberant perversions to you they don’t matter and when they kill themselves or react violently after being tortured for years by other kids you won’t care and just write them off as another freak right? Clearly that is God’s message.

            You also seem to presume that God and Nature didn’t intend for homosexuality to exist, yet it exists in nearly every species on Earth. How can you explain that?

          • JC

            kevin you obviously have self esteem issues.
            Perhaps psychotherapy would be of help to you.

            It might help you with your case of liberal whining, persecution complex, myopia, narcissism, and inflated sense of entitlement.

            As for every species in the world being homosexual?….poor you,
            you don’t really believe that do you? You’re supposed to be a teacher for heaven’s sake…

          • Kevin

            My ability to defend myself and stand up for who I am against what society deems to be “normal” indicates that I have a self-esteem issue? I don’t think you know what self-esteem means JC. And you can feel free to look up the information about other species having evidence of homosexuality in them. You may want to try National Geographic or Discovery. Just a suggestion.

          • JC

            Kevin says:
            April 29, 2011 at 11:02 am
            My ability to defend myself and stand up for who I am against what society deems to be “normal” indicates that I have a self-esteem issue? I don’t think you know what self-esteem means JC. And you can feel free to look up the information about other species having evidence of homosexuality in them. You may want to try National Geographic or Discovery. Just a suggestion.
            ________________________________________________________________

            Right, like I’m going to spend one minute of my life researching what animals have what sexual tendencies. Sorry, Kevin but unlike you, I have no vested interest in the subject.
            I am aware that the alpha male in a troop of apes will rape other males to establish dominance.
            Is that the comparison you’re pointing to?
            We’re not animals Kevin. At least not in that sense.

          • Jay

            Jeremy, who’s denying homosexuals their rights?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Kevin,
            Actually, that wasn’t JC, that was me! I’d like to see some of those sites that show normal everyday Muslims speaking out against the violence, not the LEADERS! They are very likely to lie, cheat, and steal to further their so called religeon!!!

          • meteorlady

            Good post. Parents should stop this intrusion of the public school system into matter that belong in the home and with the parents.

        • Jay

          Jeremy, Kate8 was talking about public schools, not colleges and universities. BTW, times have changed, and they have change fast since you and I have been in public school! Jeremy, you should at least have the integrity to know and admit that change, rather then feign ignorance. But I suspect you are well aware of the changes, and purposely omitting the truth one knows, for the purpose to serve one’s self-interests in order to legitimate his/her point, is the same as not telling the truth, and is in essence, lying! You appear to come across as being neutral, with respect to this subject, but your passive aggressiveness does not fool me. You definitely lean to the left!!!

          • Kevin

            You’re one to talk about the truth given your posts about the supposedly “official gay agenda.” Is anyone allowed an opinion different than yours? Jeremy is in college, which means he was in high school no more than four years ago. He said he has friends who are in high school now, but you are telling him that he doesn’t know what is being taught in high school because things have changed so quickly. I work in a high school. The only place that Islam is brought up is in an elective course about religion. That course addresses many world religions, including Christianity. Homosexuality is not being taught. Yet you keep on trying to tell people that it is. Where are your “facts” coming from? More blogs?

          • Jay

            Kevin, don’t cry because you lost an argument. JC is right, stop acting like a spoiled child! You religious homosexual proselyte! You will have no converts here. So go ahead and blow all the steam you want, it’s your time and your energy you are wasting, not mine, you self-centered, spoiled little child!

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Yes Jay I am one who leans to the left. Where im neutral is in what I saw and was taught at school. On homosexuality yes I am one who believes in the basic rights of homosexuals. I do feel its the place of schools to promote understanding and acceptance and to encourage kids to get to know people before simply judging them regardless of any sort of issue of race, religion, or orientation. With respect just because I believe Homosexuals have rights dosen’t mean I would ever support teaching anything about homo or hetero or any form of sex in school. I discussed sex only in bio class as part of reproduction and in my life science classes where discussions of all things effecting or possibly effecting life must be discussed. Children dont learn about sex or lifestyles from school, they do it from their parents, their friends and their own experiences in life. Believing the basic rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness belong to us all even homosexuals I do not see as a radical or simply left leaning argument. I believe we cannot judge people all as a group regardless of the actions of individuals with in the group. Not all homosexuals are bad people. Whatever your views of the sexual lifestyle- homosexuality is according to my homosexual friends about loving each other. I believe it perfectly reasonable to believe someone could sincerly and devotedly love someone of the same sex. That being said one thing I would say is for all the preachings of heterosexuality it is not an altogether pure lifestyle either. After all we have prostitutes walking the street applying their trade who would other wise not be there but for heterosexuality or at least the worst practicers of it. My point is I see little difference in morality between a loving couple of consenting age partaking in their love making in a private scene like a bedroom, or any place where such things could be done privatly and appropriatly, in a heterosexual manner and those who would follow the same restrictions in a homosexual matter. If one from either sexual orientation violates those rules of decency they are equally inpolite and outright disgusting. In the parameters of consenting age,devoted love and basic decency in keeping private the most sensual aspects of their lifestlye I do believe heterosexuality and homosexuality stand balanced on the level of moral acceptability.

          • Jay

            Yes Jay I am one who leans to the left. Where im neutral is in what I saw and was taught at school. On homosexuality yes I am one who believes in the basic rights of homosexuals.

            Jeremy, so do I. BTW, who exactly is denying homosexual their rights?

            I do feel its the place of schools to promote understanding and acceptance and to encourage kids to get to know people before simply judging them regardless of any sort of issue of race, religion, or orientation.

            Jeremy, curriculum, yes, but why do you feel its the place of the schools to teach understanding and acceptance? Despite the myth, homosexuals are tolerated and accepted, and are the beneficiaries of all rights as citizens! Are they tolerated and accepted by all? No, they are not! But neither are other minorities accepted and tolerated by all, and that will never change or will it ever be completely eradicated!

            With respect, just because I believe Homosexuals have rights dosen’t mean I would ever support teaching anything about homo or hetero or any form of sex in school.

            Jeremy, then what do you mean by tolerance and acceptance?

            Children dont learn about sex or lifestyles from school, they do it from their parents, their friends and their own experiences in life.

            Jeremy, are you saying that sex education is not part of the educational curriculum?

            Believing the basic rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness belong to us all even homosexuals I do not see as a radical or simply left leaning argument.

            Jeremy, again, who is denying homosexuals the basic rights to life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness?

            I believe we cannot judge people all as a group regardless of the actions of individuals with in the group. Not all homosexuals are bad people.

            Jeremy, most here, including myself, were referring to the extreme radical fringe who are well organized and financed, and have a rather powerful influence on our policy makers in Washington. An important distinction you seem to have missed!

            Whatever your views of the sexual lifestyle- homosexuality is according to my homosexual friends about loving each other.

            Jeremy, no offence, but you know my views on that! If they say its about loving one another, fine, its their prerogative to believe that, not mine, I’m at the other end of the spectrum!

            I believe it perfectly reasonable to believe someone could sincerly and devotedly love someone of the same sex.

            Jeremy, there are many heterosexuals that love their male friends! What you mean to say is that, I believe it perfectly reasonable to believe someone could sincerly and devotedly love someone of the same sex and to engage in anal sex with them, as well.

            That being said one thing I would say is for all the preachings of heterosexuality it is not an altogether pure lifestyle either.

            Jeremy, a true statement, for sure! But we are not talking about deviant behaviour that are found in both, but wether the homosexual union should be considered to be the same as a heterosexual union, and that, by the covenant of marriage, between a man and a woman! To draw on the similarities in that both engage in sexual intercourse and that both express love one to another, or that both engage in deviant behaviour, is to distract from the essential argument. Also, to draw on the similarities between the two in order to cement your argument, that, in essence, both unions are essentially the same, because both engage in sexual intercourse and both express love for each other, is faulty at best. Example, do you drink cows milk? Well why not drink the cows urine as well, after all, they are both liquids!

            After all we have prostitutes walking the street applying their trade who would other wise not be there but for heterosexuality or at least the worst practicers of it.

            Jeremy, again, deviant behaviour! And while we are at it, there are many homosexual male prostitutes applying the trade, many if not most, are barely of legal age. Who do you suppose are their clients?

            My point is I see little difference in morality between a loving couple of consenting age partaking in their love making in a private scene like a bedroom, or any place where such things could be done privatly and appropriatly, in a heterosexual manner and those who would follow the same restrictions in a homosexual matter.

            Jeremy, that’s your position or opinion! Of course, I do not agree!

            If one from either sexual orientation violates those rules of decency they are equally inpolite and outright disgusting. In the parameters of consenting age,devoted love and basic decency in keeping private the most sensual aspects of their lifestlye I do believe heterosexuality and homosexuality stand balanced on the level of moral acceptability.

            Jeremy, I respect your position, however, and again, I do not agree. Incidentally, it is interesting to note, how far off the original topic we have come. I believe the topic was wether the homosexual lifestyle should presented to under age and impressionable children? In my opinion, no! But I do think it appropriate that it be discussed at the higher levels of education, such as college and university, where the adult student has developed a sufficient level of critical thinking! Should we encourage our children to respect everyone, and discourage bullying regardless of race, creed and sexual orientation? Absolutely!

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Jay on the basis of your final statment I will try to get back on topic. I believe we should discuss such issues in school in as an appropriate manner as possible. I worry that not discussing such issues implies that the issue dosen’t matter when I feel it does.
            On matters of rights of homosexuals I was talking primarily around the right to happiness through their lifestyle. The main thing I want to bring up very quick from your post is you say homosexuals are tolerated and accepted. My issue is with something like that. Tolerated and Accepted specifically tolerated and accepted by some not all implies that homosexuals have a status or that they are in a position imposed or allowed by others. I would say what if one is intolerant of homosexuals. What would they have us do. Reinpose Dont ask dont tell which dosen’t allow homosexuals to be themselves openly. Would they have us make it illegal for homosexuals to marry and pursue happiness through a legally recognized union. My issue is I dont wish for homosexuals to be “tolerated” or “accepted”. I want homosexuals to be recognized as having the same rights to their lifestyles as heterosexuals have to theirs and for their unions to have the same right to legal recognition as heterosexuals. Its about recognition not toleration or acceptance. I just worry that there are those who would seek to outlaw the homosexual lifestyle or would not allow them to marry based only on their being homosexual.
            In regards to sexual education I meant for it to be only discussed in that specific ciriculum. I disagree with discussion of sexual matters outside of a sex education specific discussion. My point is in my experience that was always the case.
            In regards to attacks on the radical fringe the issue is that with all due respect at times the language and arguments you make seem to be against homosexuality in and of itself. There never seems to be a specific destinction between homosexualtiy and homosexuals and radical supporters of the homosexual lifestyle. I have no doubt that there are those who are vile in trying to force their views on others in regards to recognizing homosexuality as valid and a right. It just seems that attacking homosexuality is an attack on all homosexuals and that just seems equally too forceful. I am sorry if I misconstru your arguments but its simply my interpretation.
            Finally in regards to sexual lifestyle. My argument is based unfortunatly in a debate where effectivly we can devolve to matters of individual take on or personal taste. My idea is that in regards to your cow metaphor is that I dont see it as milk versus urine. This is the whole taste and perception thing in that just because one sees it as urine or even thinks it tastes like urine dose not make it so. My point in describing heterosexual deviance was to point out that heterosexual milk can taste just as bad. There are probably homosexuals who would say heterosexual is the urine and homosexuality is the milk. Personally I only go heterosexual milk. I just figure if homosexuals want to drink theirs it probably isnt urine I assume urine dosen’t taste good to anyone even if they’re dying of thirst. I know im getting to much into word play but I just figured I would go with your metaphor.
            In the end I do respect your opinion and position too Jay. I apologize for being so forceful with my opinions. I guess its just my friendship with homosexuals and my own experience with bullying that leads me to be so firm and imposing in my argument. In the end I suppose its a matter of what we each think and feel is respectable and acceptable. And I can respect your views towards acceptability and how strong you feel about it.

          • Kate8

            Jeremy – Your implication here, ‘though you didn’t state it in so many words, is that Christianity is the greater threat to freedom, and that if not kept under secular dominance “I worry that homosexuality would be outlawed”.

            Do you realize how absurd that is? It has NEVER been outlawed anywhere except under Sharia, which you liberals don’t seem to have a problem with. Our freedoms were (I say “were” because we’re losing them fast”) based on Judeo-Christian principles, drawn from the Torah, and as we obliterate God from our nation, so go our freedoms.

            You liberals interpret “freedom” to mean the right to be as depraved as you choose and still be accepted by all. You can easily see how that works out, just by the downward spiral our society has been on, and has affected every aspect of life. We’ve gone from being a people of high moral integrity and prosperity based on honor and regard for human sanctity, to being a society of self-serving, godless, self-absorbed children incapable (and uninterested in) of any kind of restraint.

            Tolerating deviance, and elevating it, are two different things. The goal of Progressivism is to eliminate all standards governing morality and culture, leaving us with only our base animal instincts. Being of high moral caliber is no longer valued. ‘Anything goes’ is the rule of the day.

            I know this won’t make sense to you because you are too young to have experienced the difference. This is by design. Moral corruuption ALWAYS immediately precedes the destruction of a society. This truth has been erased from the ‘history’ now being taught, dooming America to the same mistakes humanity has always repeated.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Kate I am sorry for any implication. Christianity is not a threat to freedom. My worry is matters like anti sodomy laws which still exsist and make it illegal to engage in the homosexual lifestyle.
            I have never been one to follow religious laws in terms of strict adherence. I follow basic rules of decency and honor the laws set forth by our Declaration, Constitution and by the rules my parents taught me to treat people the way I want to be treated. Our freedoms are not threatened unless we presume them to be. Everyone has the right to speak and be themselves in our country. Unfortunatly there are those from every side of the political spectrum who attack everyone else for their views. Its getting so people are attacked simply for saying that we should work together. But such ideas are in the minority and the only reason they have cloat in any way is that the media likes to latch on to them to make politics seem more interesting. Our country is strong and our rights are alive and well so long as we fight for them.
            As to religious influence yes our founders were religious men and many of their views had a Judeo Chrisitan influence. But in the end the virtues of our Republic and the Laws we follow are founded on the great truths of Equality, Liberty, Justice and Honor. These are not the same as a uniquely religious or christian view. Our country is a nation of nations of many religions whos laws and government are founded on republican not christian virtues alone.
            As to Liberalism and Progressiveism I have never interpreted freedom that way. I have always interpreted freedom to be the ability to present ones case to the world and have the ability recognized as valid and deserving. I know all to well what many people in our country are. But I see it more as simply the changes of a changing world. Just because change happens dosen’t mean it causes moral corruption. I will say we need restraint but I dont see liberalism as destroying restraint. Liberals want us to push the gas and go a little faster, it dosen’t mean we want to go over the speed limit, we just want to go a little faster than a few miles under the speed limit. Being of high moral caliber is still valued. I just wish to not presume that my moral caliber is greater then others based solely on my perception of them or their lifestyle.
            Finally as to history yes I know the weakness of moral corruption because I learned much about history out of my love for the subject. Yes we often whitewash our history to make it seem nicer than it was and we act as those all threats came from the outside. But even in learning history I found my views. Yes moral corruption weakens and destabilizes countries. But in a Republic it is not moral corruption that leads to its downfall. It is the destruction of Faith in morality, the Republican virtues and in the People themselves. People may come to think the virtues and morals they have always known are gone and they must be losing their freedoms. Its when such thoughts become the norm that a Republic and the sacred freedoms are lost. Yes there are deviant groups in this world. But they are a minority. The way to beat them is to recognize the trully deviant from the not. The bad from the good. And to base such distinctions on actions not perceptions. Homosexuals are not deviant or bad when all they do is have homosexual sex. When compared to heterosexual sex on the lithmus test of sex versus sex its not that different. Sex is sex and even some heterosexuals engage in anal sex so its not unique to homosexuality.
            My point is recognition of homosexuality as a lifestyle that people have a right to partake in dose not require one to engage in it themselves. I support the rights of homosexuals to have their lifestyle but I am heterosexual and would never even consider it myself since I simply dont find it appealing. Not my cup of tea really. But if they have their relations in a private setting as we would expect any heterosexual couple to and simply partake in modest public displays of affection as we would expect any heterosexual couple too then I see the homosexual lifestyle not as a deviant one but as an equal one that those who are attracted too have a right to partake in if they choose.

          • Kevin

            Jeremy – It is pointless to try to have a discussion with them, they only hear their own limited point of view and name call and demean anyone who disagrees with them. They believe that homosexuals have equal rights, even though anyone with half a brain and eyes in their head can look at the country and see that this is not the case. Rights for homosexuals have certainly come a long way and continue to progress, but to say that homosexuals have equal right is naive or just chooses not to see it because it means nothing to them. Kate8 would choose to say that homosexuality has never been against the law, which is also untrue. It was illegal for many years. There are still sodomy laws in existence in some states currently, though rarely pursued. Politicians like Michele Bachmann have indicated that they would reinstate laws similar to these if they had their way. I do find it interesting that everytime Jeremy voices his opinion you point out his age and therefore assume that he just doesn’t know any better. Age does not equal wisdom. If you spend your life with your head in the sand, all you end up with when you are older is a lifetime full of ignorance.

    • newspooner

      The biggest need is to eliminate advocacy. Tolerance is fine, but advocacy is inappropriate, especially for younger children. If teachers can’t legally advocate for the principles of Moses and Christ in public schools, teachers should not be able to advocate for unnatural and immoral lifestyles either.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Part of the issue newspooner is religion is contrary to the seperation of church from state that characterizes our government and public schools. Children I feel should not be encouraged one way or another. I feel we should teach that things are not black and white and that one should get to know those who are homosexual before making judgements of them.

        • Kate8

          Jeremy – Perhaps we should adopt the idea of “separation of sex and state”.

          There are aspects of life where government should not tread. That would be MOST of them.

          • JC

            How about we agree to the seperation of socialism from the United States? ;)

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Because them we would have no government involvment in the economy, no inferstructure and corporations and anyone with large amounts of money could do whatsoever they pleased and there would be no legal or official consequences based solely on the explanation that what they did was not illegal and that they had to to stay in buisness.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            My mistake: Because then we would have no government involvment in the economy. I apologize.

          • Jay

            The separation of government and economy should also be added the list, as the government, particularly the Obama administration, has clearly demonstrated its incompetence in that as well!

          • Kate8

            Jeremy – You really don’t see that government is in bed with the largest corporations?

            Government should not be involved in any of those things. Their job was to provide for the common defense, so we the people would be free to pursue our idea of happiness.

            It was never meant for government to control everything.

  • Cawmun Cents

    Its the kids they are protecting from the deviants.I hope 49 other states dothe same thing.There is no place for this kind of thing in public schools.Keep it in the universities.But dont try to push it on my kids.I dont it taught in my kids schools.I dont want it taught in any public school.

    • http://naver samurai1966

      Here, here! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • 45caliber

      I agree. In fact, I believe that this is one of the reasons why our kids no longer rank as one of the top educated in the world. The teachers are spending a lot of time teaching sex education and environmentalism rather than science and math. After all, those subjects can be HARD!

      • Jay

        45caliber, check out the link below which will explain why our schools a manufacturing illiterate, socialist and obedient socialists. Here’s a small sample of the article.

        Dumbing Down America
by Dr. Samuel Blumenfeld

        I am often asked to name those educators responsible for the change in primary reading instruction which has led to the decline of literacy in America. People ask this because by the time they understand the history of the reading problem and of the dumbing down process that has been going on in our public schools for the past forty years, they recognize that all of this is not the result of a series of accidents but of conscious, deliberate decisions made by our educational leaders.

        After twenty-five years of research, I can state with complete confidence that the prime mover in all of theis was none other than John Dewey who is usually characterized as the father of progressive education. Yet the change of the teaching of reading is probably Dewey’s greatest contribution to the tranformation of American education from an academically oriented process to a social one.

        The progressives were a new breed of educator that came on the scene around the turn of the century. These rejected the religion of the Bible and placed their new faith in science, evolution and psychology. Indeed, men like G. Stanley Hall, James McKeen Cattell, Charles Judd, James Earl Russell traveled to Germany to study the new psychology under Prof. Wilhelm Wundt at the University of Leipzig. It was these men who later imposed the new psychology on American education and transformed it permanently from its academic function to one dedicated to behavioral change.

        John Dewey got his education in the new psychology under G. Stanley Hall at John Hopkins University. In 1887, at the tender age of 28, Dewey felt that he knew enough about psychology to be able to write a textbook on the subject, entitled fittingly Psychology. In 1894, Dewey was appointed head of the department of philosophy, psychology and education at the University of Chicago which had been established two years earlier by a gift from John D. Rockefeller. In 1896, Dewey created his famous experimental Laboratory School where he could test the effects of the new psychology on real live children.

        Dewey’s philosophy had evolved from Hegelian idealism to socialist materialism, and the purpose of the school was to show how education could be changed to produce little socialists and collectivists instead of little capitalists and individualists. It was expected that these little socialists, when they became voting adults, would dutifully change the American economic system into a socialist one.

        In order to do so he analyzed the traditional curriculum that sustained the capitalist, individualistic system and found what he believed was the sustaining linchpin — that is, the key element that held the entire system together: high literacy. To Dewey, the greatest obstacle to socialism was the private mind that seeks knowledge in order to exercise its own private judgment and intellectual authority. High literacy gave the individual the means to seek knowledge independently. It gave individuals the means to stand on their own two feet and think for themselves. This was detrimental to the “social spirit” needed to bring about a collectivist society. Dewey wrote in Democracy and Education, published in 1916:

        The rest of the article can be found here:
        http://www.ordination.org/dumbing_down.htm
         

  • Joseph C Moore, USN Ret

    Just when did the homosexual lobby co-opt the term gay, which still means joyous or happy, to mean homosexual?

    • newspooner

      The answer is sometime since 1948 when my cousin was born and named Gaye. For about 20 years NOBODY thought that her name was funny (in a queer way), but eventually she had to change her name to Jennifer. And if I told you what her last name was, you would probably think that I was making this up. But it is true.

      • Kevin

        The term was first applied to homosexuals in the 1700′s and was widely accepted as a noun for homosexual men in the 1920′s.

        • 45caliber

          But it really didn’t catch on or become a word for homosexuals until the 1980s when they began to raise cain about the connitations of “queer”, “fairy” and other similar words.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Don’t say “gay” will not make it go away!

    • 45caliber

      We aren’t saying we are trying to make it go away, Doc. All we want to do is assure that we, the parents, can teach our kids what we want them to know about sex until they get old enough to consider it. We don’t need to have kids believing that we should start having sex (gay or straight) when they are four or five years old. And there are people who are insisting that we’d have a “much better world” if we did encourage them to start engaging in sex at a very young age.

      • Kevin

        That is not even remotely close to the issue! The two states that currently have lessons which address homosexuality do not have any lessons being taught about sex itself. Homosexuality is not a sexual act. The lessons being taught are about diversity and tolerance only. The real issue that everyone still seems to be missing in these postings is that Tennessee does not currently have any schools teaching anything about homosexuality and already has a law on the books which prevents it. Senator Campfield has done a bait and switch on the voters and used the gay community as a scapegoat. No one of any sexual orientation is advocating for sex ed for children. Please someone get your facts straight.

  • Doc Sarvis

    I would hazard a guess that if such a big deal as this legislation is made about the issue it will actually raise the stature of the homosexual rights.

    • Cawmun Cents

      I doubt it Doc,you see where children are concerned,their parents should be talking to them about these things,not some strange person who works at their school.I dont care what title Mr.Cole has,he has no business trying to tell my kids anything that doesnt pertain to their curriculum.Issue solved.

      • http://naver samurai1966

        Right. This should also go for sex education. Two loving parents sitting their child down and talking to them about such things. Things such as these were not ment to be tought in schools, but at home. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! We have them on the run! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • karolyn

          Get real! Did your parents sit you down and have a comprehensive talk about sex? I wonder if it’s changed as much as people say it has. If more were taught, there wouldn’t be so many teenaged pregnancies. Actually, I’ve heard they’ve gone down, so maybe sex education in the schools is working!

          • Kate8

            karolyn – In the first place, it is not the place of government to teach our kids about sex, whether or not the parents do a good job.

            In the second place, you are just wrong on this. When I was a kid, NO ONE talked about sex, and very few kids engaged in it. If they did, their reputations were damaged, and pregnancies were rare.

            It has been with the advent of sex being EVERYWHERE (TV, movies, internet) that our children have become sexualized, which was the whole purpose. This, along with the destruction of moral values and belief in God, has served the Leftist agenda well.

            The degradation of sexual values is the quickest and easiest way to corrupt a people, and reduce them to little more than animals. It completely degrades our humanity.

            And just look at what we’ve become as a nation.

          • Jay

            It is because sex is being taught at an inappropriate age, and by strangers, that we have so many teen pregnancies. Age appropriate Karolyn, age appropriate, and then only by parents, not strangers!

          • 45caliber

            karolyn:

            If I thought the school system was teaching their students to NOT have sex, I wouldn’t object so much. Unfortunately, they are not. In fact, some group recently started insisting that all students as young as five should be taught that they should start enjoying orgazims. The plan was to first start them on mastribation and then expand it. By age 10 they were supposed to all be sexually active.

          • 45caliber

            Jay:

            I will admit that not all parents are doing a good job of this. In fact, many families now on welfare are ENCOURAGING their kids to have sex and children at a young age (like 14 or so). I was talking to a young man (20) not long ago who was upset at his parents. He had three younger sisters who started having kids at age 14. All three had at least two already and at least one had four. (And was still less than 19.) His parents were onto him because “he hadn’t given them any grandkids yet”. They wanted him to start getting some of the younger girls (14-16) they knew pregnant so they could have more grandkids. “All these girls would go out with you if you just asked.” When he objected, stating that he wanted to find a nice woman, marry, and help raise his kids, they told him that was the ‘old’ way – he should just get them pregnant and they could go on welfare so it wouldn’t cost him a penny.

            He, at least, had his head on right.

          • JC

            It is NOT the governments job to teach kids about sex.
            It is the responsibility of parents to do so.

            Karolyn where does the Nanny State start and stop for you?

          • Kate8

            JC – When people are essentially godless, they look to the government to get their needs met. Unfortunately, Leftists never grow up, so they are always in need of a parent.

          • JC

            That’s true Kate, Liberals and other forms of sycophant seem destined to be life long dependants who will rail at anyone that questions their entitlement to a life long mommy figure.

          • Kevin

            How many people have actually read the law? Sex ed is not being suggested. Diversity and tolerance are. Sex is not going to be brought up. The only ones who keep bringing it up are all of you. The real issue here is that a Senator is trying to pass a law to make it illegal to even speak the words gay or homosexual in a school, even if a student is asking for guidance. The danger here is that if we begin dictating what words can and cannot be spoken, where do we stop? Also keep in mind, Tennessee already has a law which prevents topics about religion and sexual orientation being taught at these grade levels, so this senator is wasting tax payer money and is actually trying to profit off of it by demanding to be paid $1,000 plus expenses to debate the bill with anyone who opposses it. Funny how none of you are bothered by that. Instead you have all focused on gay people trying to indoctrinate your children, even though gay people have nothing to do with this situation. Senator Campfield started this one all on his own.

          • JC

            I’m not condoning censorship Kevin. Saying sex education is not the Governments job was an off topic comment.

          • Jay

            45caliber, no doubt there are irresponsible parents with questionable ethics, but these retards should not be used as the reason to lend the education system full and total licence to teach our children anything they so wish. But I do understand what you are saying, and I agree when you said that the government should not be involved with nor mandate what we teach our children. The standard curriculum is fine, reading and reading comprehension, writing, math, science and geography, everything else, the parents will do just fine. Cheers and peace to you!

          • http://naver samurai

            Actually Karolyn, yes my mother sat my brother and I down and told us about the “birds and the bees.” Why? Didn’t yours have the “nads” to do that or were they too busy with other things then their children? My wife and I have told all 4 of our children about the “birds and the bees”, so what’s your point? We taught them from our experiences and my wife, who is an RN, told them things from the medical side. You know, STD’s, HIV/AIDS, etc. Our children were taught the right way without mentioning anything about gays or their lifestyle. Kevin, you talk about tolerance and sensitivity? Who the h*** cares about that? Those aren’t subjects to be taught in our schools. Remember what Aristotle said about tolerance. He said, “Tolerance is the final virtue of a dying society.” Ergo, the more tolerant we have to be towards things that aren’t normal, or against the way God said it should be, our country dies a little bit more everyday. Just look at what is going on around you. Do you really think that schools should really be teaching these things to our children? If you say yes, you’re a bigger moron than robert smith. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Kevin

            Samurai – First off if your mother had “nads” then that becomes a whole other issue. Second, you have an issue with tolerance? You think that its ok for kids to be bullied and for people to openly hate someone else because of a physical trait or a personality trait? And then you have the nerve to invoke God? What kind of Christian would say that its ok for kids to hate each other and then use God to try to justify it? And name calling is the last resort for people who have lost the ability to formulate an argument.

          • http://naver samurai1966

            NO, no, no, Kevin you moron! I didn’t say those things as you are trying to twist my words. If you tolerate something, you just let it be and hope it goes away or hope it becomes part of the society or maybe conform to the society. People, like you, meet lots of resistance because you aren’t normal. Anything that goes against the norm always encounters resistance. You really don’t sound like you have a college education to me. This program is talking about teachers not taking to students abour gay issues and being sensitive to what they chose to be, well boo hoo! If they can’t handle the heat, have them stay out of the kitchen. Remember, God doesn’t allow gays to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Not because of them being a human being, but because of their actions. The only accepted relationships for a marriage is one man and one woman. Kids are bullied all the time, not just the gay ones. I was bullied by my next door nieghbor’s kid for 4 years, because he was twice my size. That was till I gave him a permanent knee injury. One where he still limps off of his left leg. Kevin, just go home and stop wasting our time. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Kevin

            Samurai – Tolerance is not ignoring something and hoping it goes away. It is acknowledging that something exists and allowing it to exist in its own form. You don’t have to agree with something to tolerate it. The law is about not talking about homosexuality at all. You are making assumptions that the teachers will be gay. Should the gay students just deal with it as you suggest? Where will they go for support or to be able to talk about how they feel? You don’t seem to grasp the overall picture here. I have two Master’s Degrees, actually, so I am well educated. Of all the people posting on this site, I am one of the few who has not resorted to name calling, like you have more than once. If your belief that homosexuality is wrong is based solely on the Bible, then do you practice everything that the Bible teaches you? Do you view your wife as a possession? If she has a job, have you stoned her yet? Should we legalize slavery again, since the Bible has references about that as well? You can’t pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow. Use logic and make a rational decision based on that.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – It is not the job of the gov’t or the schools to teach tolerance or morality. The schools should be teaching academics. Period.

            When schools teach morality, they are socially engineering, usually away from the mores of the parents. We even had a judge rule that, not only do parents NOT have the right to approve of what their children are taught, but they don’t even have the right to KNOW what they’re being taught. He ruled that once the child enters school, they become property of the state.

            I will do whatever it takes to protect my kids, political correctness be damned. I don’t care if it hurts your feelings. It is woefully apparent that you are solely concerned about your own feelings, and heck with the impact on the children. They are acceptable sacrifice for your cause.

            We also had bullies when I was a kid. They didn’t get expelled or arrested either. Of course, they also didn’t carry weapons. But kids had the freedom to defend themselves, and they learned how to deal with things that come at them in life. Nowdays, government enters into every fray, forbids people from acting on their own behalf, and we are becomming a nation of crybabies.

          • Karolyn

            Kate – This is in response to your response about there being too much sex depicted everywhere. In European countries where sex is not as taboos as it is here, the rate of rape and sex crimes in general is nowhere near as high as it is here. All the nude beaches in France have no effect on making the rape rate higher. The puritanism of this country makes things worse. So what would your solution be to the amount of teen pregnancies and rape be? I believe the solution for many of our ills lies in education; and if the parents can’t fill the bill, someone has to. Here’s a link to an article about the fact that more liberal laws about pornography might just lead to fewer sex crimes.
            http://andrewhammel.typepad.com/german_joys/2008/01/more-pornograph.html

          • Kate8

            karolyn – Europe is only slightly ahead of us on the road to total lawlessness and collapse. Progressives always hold Europe up as some kind of ideal, but this is an illusion meant to lure us to our own demise.

            This is nothing new. This is the path humanity always takes to its own destruction. You want to be like Europe? It’s looking like you are getting your wish. But don’t try to sell me any of your rosy paint, because history paints a different picture.

            Lowering humanity to being little more than animals will not bring the Utopia you liberals think it will. That is always the deception, because man’s animal instincts and urges are the most effective tools for corruption. True freedom comes with self-mastery, mutual honor and respect, and with holding human rites (such as marriage) as sacred and inviolate. These things allow society to maintain order and to prosper. When this is lost, slavery ensues. Only man doesn’t realize it until it is too late.

          • Kevin

            Kate – In my state, all a parent needs to do is go online to look at the curriculum. I can’t imagine the curriculum is a hidden document in your state either. I also have no problem telling a parent what I am teaching their child. However, that does not mean that parents can come and dictate what the curriculum will be. We cannot make all parents happy and avoid not offending someone’s sense of morality. That is life Kate. You say that people should just deal with bullying? It’s not that easy when you are a child who is being bullied. As adults, we know that things will get better, kids don’t always see that. You claim that my interests are not for the children? You don’t know anything about me. What dangers are children being exposed to in schools at the hands of teachers? I teach what the curriculum mandates be taught. Parents often thank me for keeping them informed and for helping their children learn how to make decisions based on their own thought processes. We have discussions in my classes that do not involve me pushing a single possible outcome. And why do you assume that Karolyn is pushing an animalistic agenda when she points out that Europe does not view sex as a taboo and actually discusses it openly, yet does not have the STD rates, the rates of teen pregnancy, or the high instance of rape that we do? It is a valid argument, yet because it doesn’t serve your agenda, you dismiss it by calling it animal behavior and depraved. Again, you choose not to discuss issues with people, you simply try to bully them down from your point of view and dismiss them. Why do you bother entering into a discussion at all?

          • meteorlady

            Karo – you never cease to amaze me. My parent did talk to me as did my friends. I think I grew up safe and sound with a good outlook. I didn’t get pregnant – so why that issue? Morality and sex are the responsibility of parents, not the public education system.

        • Kevin

          However, when the children of parents who haven’t taught them tolerance bully kids for being gay, for being a different religion, or for whatever reason the schools have to deal with them. For years, schools have tried to get parents involved in the effort to stop bullying, nothing changed. This is the result. Schools now have to teach kids how to understand others. To understand that this country is a melting pot of different cultures, not just of one or two. That everyone has the right to their opinion and the right to live free from the fear of being persecuted. So yes, I do have an agenda, to actually protect children and to make schools a safe place where learning can actually happen, instead of being a glorified daycare for a bunch of kids who were raised by parents who didn’t teach them simple manners or tolerance.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – Actually, we are no longer a melting pot. We are a conglomeration of differing values and cultures, because people who come here are no longer required to assimilate.

            The problem with this is, society can only remain stable when everyone plays by the same rules. We don’t have to think or believe in the same things, but we DO have have common values and rules. Not only do we not have common rules, but we no longer even know what the rules are. They seem to be made up as we go along. The stated goal here is to create chaos.

            When liberals work to FORCE their values on the rest of us, they win NOT because they bear truth, but because they use brutal intimidation tactics. You know that people aren’t confident in their causes when they do this. Truth stands on its own merit. It does not require force.

            What you aren’t seeing is that the whole purpose for this mess, this complete reliance on BigBro to intervene in every situation, serves to completely disempower us as sovereign beings. The worst thing is to feel powerless. We are no longer masters of our own fate, able to resolve problems on our own. We are drones, existing only to serve the State.

          • Kevin

            Why do you assume that gay people don’t have the same values as you? Because of a select few who act out in pride parades? You’ll notice that most of the gay people in pride parades are pretty young, they grow out of that. But you again don’t seem to be able to understand that standing up for yourself doesn’t mean that you are trying to force something. Gay people are being forced into a certain role in society. Your own posts indicate that you would like gay people to be completely out of sight. Is that fair? It is not a conspiracy to take down the government to request to be treated like everyone else. Yes, it is difficult to be a part of the minority and feel powerless and be told that you can’t do things, like get married, go to church, or be with the person you love when they are in the hospital. That’s why our system isn’t about mob rule. We have a system of checks and balances to make sure that the constitution is not being violated because a senator with an agenda to supress a group of people and who uses scare tactics to misinform the public passes a law. All men are created equal still has to mean something at the end of the day.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – All right. UNCLE!

            You just aren’t going to get it.

            Okay, Kevin. You are a victim. You are picked on. The rest of us have wonderful lives, and we’ve deprived you of yours. We should all have to forfeit all we hold dear in order to accomodate your form of deviance.

            It’s too much to ask you to just go about life like the rest of us, who don’t make issue of our sexuality. We try to be friendly and help one another, leaving personal issues of all sorts at home, instead focusing on being productive members of society. It’s too much to ask you to resolve your own hangups and shoulder chips like the rest of us have to do, because you are special.

            You will, no doubt, get your way and trash our traditions so you can feel better about yourself. I hope you choke on it, because it is not what WE think that you will have to worry about. It is the fact that you, by changing the Lord’s Sacrament (which HE forbids) will have to answer to HIM.

            Good luck.

          • Jay

            Kevin, despite the fact, that you, believe gays are supposedly being bullied, is an epidemic, nothing could be further from the truth! The weak and the helpless, or passive, are the one’s that are being bullied, not all, if any, are homosexuals, most are just passive! Trying to play the victim card, Kevin?

          • Kevin

            Kate – I do not view myself as a victim, nor have I claimed to. You claim to be helpful and want to live peacefully with everyone, yet several times you have clearly stated that you feel that homosexuals are disgusting and should stay out of sight. Homosexuals getting married does not trash the institution, it strengthens it.

            Jay – I did not claim anything to be an epidemic, I am making a point of the fact that there are a number of teenagers who commit suicide every year because they have been bullied for being gay. These are not kids who are flauntnig their sexuality, they are just trying to be themselves. For you to make the implication that bullying does not occur at all, it insulting to the memory of each of those children who felt that they had no other option but to end their life because they felt as if they had nowhere else to turn. To place labels like weak and passive on them is not going to help them. They need to be able to know that they can be strong by knowing that there is nothing wrong with them and that is the message that needs to be sent to bullies as well. Suspending bullies will not change the behavior, that is why lessons on diversity and tolerance are important. It does not require agreement, it requires an understanding that every student has the right to exist at the school without the fear of assault.

    • Jay

      Doc Sarvis, are you a homosexual pedophile? Your passionate defence and eagerness to promote the homosexual lifestyle and teach the CHILDREN about it, sure makes you sound like one! Not that there is anything wrong with that, of course.

      • Kate8

        Jay – Keeping our youth preoccupied with sex keeps them from caring about where our nation is going as a whole.

        I use the usual liberal posters on this site as evidence.

        • Jay

          Kate8, glad I caught you. Could you please re-visit the room where the subject , Don’t be distracted, was discussed, I replied to your last post to me with regard to New Age. I posted a further and more complete explanation as well as an apology. Thanks, let me know!

          • Kate8

            Jay – I read your posting that followed my last comment. Thank you for that.

            I think I already deleted those threads.

        • Jay

          Yes Kate, I’m glad that you noticed the agenda of the pesky lefties that post at this blog. Not only to distract, but to provoke and infuriate, and to bring you to a state of emotionalism where you no longer think logically! Devious and evil snakes!!!

  • kodster5

    Jonathan Cole’s argument that this would increase the suicide rate in children is erroneous. Kids in the age range that this would apply to, for the most part, do not even think about homosexuality, let alone heterosexuality. It is not until they enter puberty that they start to have the doubts and uncertainties about their sexuality, and most of the time, it’s how to learn to have sex, period, not whether or not they’re homosexual! So, on average, that starts around the age of teenage years, so the 8th graders on are the cusp of that period.

    I’m glad to see the state making a stand for the right thing. The teachers should STILL be educated about the issues of homosexuality (which, btw, I think is a sin against God and mankind) so that if a child expresses concerns, they can guide the child in the right direction of a counselor or other resources to deal with it, instead of ignoring the concerns because of legal mandate. That would be the right thing to do, and would take the teacher, and the school system, out of the picture.

    • 45caliber

      I agree with you. In fact, I’ve not heard of any gay kids committing suicide until they are at least 18 – and most are in their 20s. Even that isn’t very often. Most commit suicide because they can’t see where they are going in life and can see only failure.

      • Kevin

        Perhaps you should actually try looking then. In the fall of 2010 there were over a dozen teenagers who committed suicide with notes stating that it was because they were being bullied because they were gay and had no one to turn to. It is very callous and cold of you to write off the suicides of young people by saying “Most commit suicide because they can’t see where they are going in life and can see only failure.” And I suppose you tell yourself that you are a good Christian?

        • Kate8

          Kevin – The reason kids are commiting suicide is not because they “are gay”, but because they’ve been thoroughly confused about every aspect of their identities. They have no foundation, nothing to ground themselves in. They have no values, nothing they can hold as “true”.

          This is a recent phenomenon. When I was young, we knew who we were, we understood right and wrong, we had certain values that were unshakable. There was none of this immersing ourselves in ever passing feeling, dwelling on our victimhood, yada yada yada.

          You can’t even see that the very ones who decry the plight of society’s victims are the same ones who are promoting it.

          • Kate8

            People used to be more well-balanced.

            Everyone has both masculine and feminine sides to their natures. When these aspects are out of balance, confusion results.

          • Kevin

            You should be ashamed of yourself for attempting to downplay the seriousness of the deaths of these children! They are committing suicide because everywhere they turn they are being told that they are deviant or abberrant or going to hell. They are being bullied in school and teachers are powerless to stop it because when we report it nothing happens, it’s just blown off as a gay kid whining. But I guess blaming the victim is okay, as long as the victim is one of those “godless gays” right? How can you say they have no values? Being gay is not being evil. And what time period did you grow up in where gay people were treated so well and when teen suicide was not an issue? Teen suicide has been an issue for a very long time. Once again you have no facts and are trying to spread some imaginary version of the truth of your world. It’s time for you to examine the real world and actually try to understand other people instead of sitting in judgement of them.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Kevin,
            I was born in 1950 and I don’t remember one suicide by a child aged 5 to 18 in my whole school years! I only remember about three pregnancies during that time as well. Now I remember two suicides in the last three years, and at least five or six preggers in the last two years!! That’s just in one school, by the way!!!

          • Kevin

            Really Joe, was that nationwide that no teenagers committed suicide? And since during that time homosexuality was treated as a disease the numbers would have been skewed and the reasons for the suicide hushed up. The reason why we hear of more suicides today is because the media available to us makes information more accessible.

          • Kate8

            kevin – I’m not downplaying anything. I’m just refuting your reasons for the suicides.

            I’m sure we had gay kids, but sexuality wasn’t all-consuming then as it is now. And if any had gay tendencies, they didn’t display them overtly.

            Adolescence is an emotionally turbulent time for everyone. All problems are monumental at that age. When kids have no sense of solid footing in life, problems become overwhelming. Giving kids a good grounding in their own worth and values would save many.

          • Kevin

            So how can kids have a good grounding if they are being told that they are defective? How can kids be given good values if we tell them that homosexuality is all in their mind? Its easy for you to assume to know what its like for a homosexual when you are not one. You didn’t have to struggle with societies demands and what you know in your heart is the way you are. Perhaps you should try to put yourself in their shoes before you assume to think that you have the answer to their problems.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – Your problem is not that you are “different”, but that you are completely self-absorbed. Your sexuality is the defining factor in your life, and it is the determining factor in everything you think, feel and do. They only way you can deal with this obsession is to force everyone else to feel good about you, so you can feel good about yourself.

            When I was a child I was so painfully shy that I was nearly non-functional. I had serious health problems and was, indeed, “different”. This was a real handicap for me as I grew up. I was very much a “loner”, and life was every bit as painful for me as you describe. What I see now is that those feelings were coming from within myself, which I projected on those around me.

            Learn to embrace life, Kevin. Stop expecting that life should embrace YOU. Learn to put others before yourself for a change, and you will find that life will not only accept you, but love you for who you are.

            YOU are the only one you need to convince.

          • Kevin

            I am quite comfortable with who I am and no one would describe me as self-absorbed. Being gay is not what defines me. As this discussion has been about homosexuality and education, obviously I have had to bring it up as an argument, that does not indicate I have an obsession with it or that I define myself through it. I care about the well-being of the students in my school, all of them. You were shy when you were young? That’s your comparison? Have you ever been beaten up by 5 other kids because of it? I have for being gay. I was called faggot everywhere I went. Now mind you, I wasn’t flaunting being gay, because when I was young hadn’t accepted myself as being gay, nor had I acted on any feelings I had, nor ever told anyone I had those feelings. Yet, I was bullied anyway. Times have changed since then, now kids can be openly gay and have a support system at school. Laws like the one being proposed in Tennessee would eliminate that support system. So in order to protect your idea of what is moral or normal you would sacrifice those children. But you call me selfish and you make references to gay people being cruel and violent?

          • Kate8

            Now Kevin, You wound me! How dare you discount my feelings!

            Actually, being shy to the point of paralysis is debilitating. So is being seriously ill for many years. You think that cannot compare to your plight? Did you have your health?

            We all have issues. These are life lessons. Stop whining and figure out what they are, and how you can make your hardships into your greatest strenghts. That is why we are here.

          • Kevin

            Kate – you seem to not understand. Being sick is something you have to deal with and overcome through medication or treatment. Being gay is who you are. It is not something to overcome. The issue is the way gay people are being treated by outside forces. If kids are being bullied by gangs of other kids, how do you expect them to reasonably overcome that when laws are being passed that forbid the school to speak to the kid about the reason why he is being bullied? If the child’s parents feel that being gay is wrong, what is he supposed to do? Being gay is not this evil thing you are making it out to be. If people actually allowed an open discussion on homosexuality, then we could actually help kids learn about the risks involved in sex and understand how to protect themselves if they choose to have sex. This does not mean that kids will be encouraged to have sex, just the opposite. But we can’t expect kids to make mature and safe choices if they aren’t provided with any information. That is the point. Obviously, I am referring to high school kids when I mention these discussions, elementary school kids wouldn’t have these feelings yet. But they should be aware of the world and not live in a bubble.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – All of this focus on sexuality in schools HASN’T discouraged kids from engaging in it, has it? NO! More and more kids and ever younger ages are now having sex. Our children are being robbed of their innocence and their childhood.

            When we didn’t discuss sex in school at all, kids engaged in other things. Children and teens are too immature to understand the implications and ramifications of such behavior, which the Left is willing to overlook in pursuit of their godless goals.

            Government creates problems so it can step in to resolve them, always by taking away a bit more of our liberty. And their solutions are always worse than the problem.

            We give government too much credit for knowing answers, because gov’t consists only of people like you and me, who have a taste of power. They are no more qualified to know answers than you or me. They just have the power to push their ideology and/or agenda.

            We were a much better people when we were accountable for ourselves, and gov’t left us alone. But then, you are too young to know of that time.

          • Jay

            Kate8, I’m not sure if you are aware, but you just touched on something very powerful when you said,They have no foundation, nothing to ground themselves in. They have no values, nothing they can hold as “true”.

            Do you realize what you just said? But more importantly, what you did not say! How do you suppose they, the youth, got that way? You also said, people used to be more balanced years ago. Think about it! Why is there such a clamour and fight to remove or dismiss the Bible, the word of God and Christianity? What does theism, or the belief that man is created in the image of God, really imply? And what provision is supplied to mankind, knowing and believing that they were created in the image of God? First and foremost, IDENTITY, for we know who we are. We are intelligent, relational and spiritual being, among other characteristics. Why are we so? Because, He who made us, is so, as well! Thus the statement, created in the Image of God! Second, we are provided with, PURPOSE, for we know who we are, and we know He who made us, and He who made us, also provided instructions or laws as to how we should live, and what we should do! Thirdly, we have a FUTURE, for He who created us, is ever lasting from everlasting, and since He has no end, therefore, we too, have no end, but eternity, with Him who created us! So there you have it, the Lord’s Constitution to mankind, if you will.

            But why do our young adults, as you said, have no foundation, nothing to ground themselves in. They have no values, nothing they can hold as “true”. Does atheism, or social darwinism, or evolution, come to mind? Would you say that atheism, or social darwinism, or evolution, can provide the same sustenance to mankind? Hardly, except, of course, the reverse. No IDENTITY, as we are here as a result of a fluke, no one made us, it just happened! Second, no PURPOSE, since no one made us, we have no instructions, except our own subjective and unguided rationality, no ultimate reference, and no moral compass, an other words, do as you see fit. Third, no FUTURE, since we came from nothing, we will go into nothing, will become nothnig, as we are nothing more then atoms and cells. Hmmm, I wonder if this may have something to do with the demoralization and despondency we note in our young generation?

          • Kevin

            Kate – When was this dream time that you lived in where everyone had values? I can’t say that I have ever heard of it. You are aware that most states do not teach sex in schools right? Most states, including the one I live in, have an abstinence only approach to sex education. This means that if a student asks a teacher a question about sex, our answer has to be that not having sex is the only answer. As a result, many teenagers have no idea how to protect themselves properly. They base all that they know about sex on what they see on TV and in movies or from what they find on the internet. I do feel that parents should be having the conversations with their children about sex, but it doesn’t seem to be happening and the children are the ones paying the price.

            Jay – To implicate that darwinism and evolution are the problems in this nation is not really a very good argument. You assume that these theories implicate a denial of the existence of God. On the contrary, they actually show the brilliance of God’s design. Values are subjective things. One person’s value is another person’s sin. That doesn’t mean that either person is right, it just means that they differ. That is the beauty of our country, we can have different ideas freely. The postings here indicate that many of you do not actually feel that this should be allowed. We should be a nation of your values and no one elses.

          • Jay

            Kevin, the doctor of SPIN!!!

  • james karalis

    It’s a good start Kids that age don’t know about things like that until some one turns them .

  • marilyn pyse

    when we were young the term was queer not gay. it meant that homosexual were different. why do they feel they have to exploit their behaviors. heterosexuals don’t go around discussing what they did in bed last nite. i really think it is their way to justify what they do and try to get acceptance. most will never accept this life style. it definitely should not be taught in schools as an alternate life style. there are scriptures to tell us what God thinks of it, and really that is the bottom line

    • newspooner

      The real activists among them are not satisfied with tolerance. They insist on approval. It seems that you feel as I do, tolerance may be fine, but if someone insists on my approval, THEY are the bigots

      • 45caliber

        newspooner:

        I agree with you. In fact, it wasn’t that long ago some reporter asked one of the fanatical gays when he would stop pushing for “gay acceptance”.

        The man said he would stop when a 15 year old boy came home and told his parents he was going to the prom with another boy as his date – and the parents were happy about it.

    • newspooner

      And further, personally I am insulted by their misuse of the term “gay”. Gay always meant cheerful in a lighthearted way, and I enjoy trying to live that way when we can take a break from the serious issues of the day. To change its meaning into describing homosexual proclivities is a travesty. The term “queer” should be retained for that. Have you noticed in recent months that the evil people are also trying to redefine “marriage”? Anyone who thinks that this is just happening naturally is being fooled by several branches of the Major Conspiracies.

      • Kevin

        First of all, I couldn’t care less about your approval. I live a good life and do my best to be helpful in the community. Second, the term gay was forced onto homosexuals, just like queer, faggot, and whatever other words have been applied to homosexuals over the years. Each word had a different connotation before it was applied to homosexual men, and when they began to be called gay, gay also had a negative connotation. Over time homosexuals merely chose to ignore the initial negative connotation implied by the name and it has become commonly accepted as a noun for homosexual men.

        I’m sorry to inform you that using terms like queer and evil probably will not be so readily accepted as replacement terms. But at least we can see where your heart is.

        • 45caliber

          Kevin:

          Some “gay” people still call themselves queers. However, that is incidental. You can call yourselves whatever you wish as far as I’m concerned.

          If you are involved with your community, etc., that’s fine too. More people should be involved. But I also suspect you don’t go around to everyone you know and insist on pointing out that you are gay and that everyone must accept you for that reason rather than your work for the communtity. And that is what annoys me about some gays.

          I don’t CARE whether you are gay or straight. Just talk about something else and I’m happy.

          • Kate8

            45 – I agree with you. Gays always seem to need to make a point of letting everyone know that they are gay, and then dare you to have a problem with it.

            Maybe we should all start making an issue of being straight. Wouldn’t that annoy some folks.

            For crying out loud, I’m not interested in your sexuality if I’m not going to date you. Let’s stop assigning labels and start rebuilding America.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Kevin,
            you want to know where the bad connotations as to gays comes from?? Watch the California gay pride parade! Watch those Flamers wear and do on that parade and THEN tell me you don’t know where it all comes from!! You look at the worst of US and form your opine of US, well we look at the worst of YOU and form ours!!! You want to change our opinion of gays? Then change your public displays!!!

          • Kevin

            I don’t agree with the way that a lot of people dress and act during gay pride parades. However, being that we are constantly being told to keep it to ourselves and told that we shouldn’t exist, I can understand why some people go overboard on the one day of the year that they can freely express themselves.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – Boo hoo!

            So what? Everyone should keep their sexuality to themselves. I really don’t want to look at it.

            TMI can only lead to aversion. Grow up.

        • Kevin

          Kate8 – Exactly how many gay people announce that they are gay to you in a given day that it is so annoying? In a week? In a month? My guess would be none. Based on your posts it seems that if any gay person attempts to stand up for themselves you view that as shoving their gayness in your face. Gay people have a right to exist and to be a part of the national dialogue, just like you.

          • Jay

            Kevin, for the most part, I think you read way to much into what people are saying here. BTW, you do realize this is a conservative blog, don’t you? What exactly are you hoping to achieve here? What exactly are you doing here, are you trying to educate or convert us? Stay if you wish, but if our position with respect to this issue offends you, then by all means, leave! We wish you no ill will! And if, or when you go, don’t go away mad, just go away…

          • Kevin

            So in other words Jay, you feel that you should be able to knock people down in private rather than have an open discussion with them?

          • Jay

            I happen to enjoy open discussions, but with you it’s not an open discussion. You, are in essence a religious homosexual proselyte, hell-bent on converting us! Rather difficult to have an opinion discussion with a homosexual, religious zealot!

          • Kevin

            I don’t want to convert you, Jay, I am merely trying to point out that there is another point of view. You don’t seem to like that. You tell me that I shouldn’t be here because it is a conservative website? What does that have to do with anything? This site is called personal liberty, and yet you tell me to go away and be quiet. Somewhat ironic, don’t you think?

          • Jay

            Again, waaaay off topic!!!

  • Jude

    Just b/c gays want us to be concerned just with them, why do they not see that sex talk, mandated at school as part of the curriculum, will suggest to children that they could become sexually involved in young years with friends of the same sex, perhaps steered by this habit to become gay, never to be equally real parents with someone of the opposite sex.
    Glad this state, which knows early sex of whatever nature,
    knows to take a stand against teaching children sexuality, opportune between friends of the same sex “paling” together as they’re learning to understand their similar natures.

    • 45caliber

      Jude:

      They do understand what you are saying. Or at least many of the more militant ones do. They WANT them to go gay for any reason possible and will manufacture reasons (as they are trying to do here) just for that reason.

  • Raymond

    God forbids same sex relationships.

    • Kate8

      Raymond – Yes, He does.

      We can only be accountable for our own lives. We can’t control what someone else does. So let’s do the best we can with what we’ve got, and let God deal with us all when the time comes.

      Until then, we could, at least, be kind to one another. I think we’ll be held to account for that, too.

      • Jay

        Well spoken, Kate8!

    • JC

      Raymond, I get the impression that you are a Marine.
      If so, thank you your service to what’s left of our country.

      In your experience, what is the general demeanor of Marines that you know towards defending the Constitution?

  • Chief RJ

    Children develop from being mother centered at birth to father centered between ages 2-4, both parent centered by age 5, to same gender friends about age 5. It is the onset of puberty when boys stop hitting girls and girls stop thinking boys are yucky. Then they become other gender interested with a balance of same gender friends. This is the normal, natural progression when left to nature. By discussing homosexuality with children before puberty confusion is bound to occur. By teaching sex education at this early age children begin to experiment before they understand what they are doing. The earliest age in which these things should be discussed outside the home is 8th grade. I applaud Tennessee’s attempt to get things under control. If these issues are raised at school, teachers should contact the parent and turn it over to their discretion. Thank you.

  • Jay

    Unmasking the “gay” agenda.

    Balance of Power

    Americans who self-identify as “gay” or lesbian comprise roughly one to three percent of the population. Yet the homosexual movement — led by extremist homosexual pressure groups like the so-called Human Rights Campaign (HRC) — represent, per capita, one of America’s most powerful and well-funded political lobbies. Consider that HRC and the HRC foundation alone have an annual budget in excess of 50 million.

    Through a carefully crafted, decades-old propaganda campaign, homosexual activists have successfully cast homosexuals — many of whom enjoy positions of influence and affluence — as a disadvantaged minority. They have repackaged and sold to the public behaviors which thousands of years of history, every major world religion and uncompromising human biology have long identified as immoral and sexually deviant.

    The Goal

    As with every major political movement, the homosexual lobby is pushing a specific agenda. It is often called the “gay agenda.” At its core is a concerted effort to remove from society all traditional notions of sexual morality and replace them with the post-modern concept of sexual relativism. That is to say, when it comes to sex, there is never right or wrong. All sexual appetites are “equal.” If it feels good, do it.

    Ultimately, the homosexual lobby’s primary objective is to radically redefine our foundational institutions of legitimate marriage and the nuclear family by unraveling God’s natural design for human sexuality. In so doing, they hope to elevate their own spiritual and biological counterfeit and establish a sexually androgynous society wherein natural distinctions between male and female are dissolved.

    This creates cultural and moral anarchy.

    Plan of Attack

    Ironically, sexual relativists are anything but relative. They are quite affirmative in principle. But the principles they foist demand comprehensive acceptance of homosexual conduct — by force of law — through federal edicts such as “hate crimes” legislation, the so-called “Employment Non-Discrimination Act” (ENDA) and by imposing government sanctioned “same-sex marriage.” All such government mandates grant special protected “minority” status to those who define themselves by aberrant sexual preferences and changeable sexual behaviors. These laws put people with traditional values directly in the crosshairs of official government policy.

    Throughout society, homosexual activists demand that homosexual behaviors not only be “tolerated,” but celebrated. (That’s what the euphemistic slogan “celebrate diversity” supposes). They have masked their true political agenda by hijacking the language of the genuine civil rights movement and through the crafty and disingenuous rhetoric of “tolerance” and “diversity.”

    Anyone who believes the Biblical directive that human sexuality is a gift from God, to be shared between man and wife within the bonds of marriage, is branded “homophobic,” “hateful” or “discriminatory.” They are to be silenced by all means possible.

    In Their Own Words

    What you are about to read is just a quick, though disturbing, glance behind the homosexual lobby’s lavender curtain.

    Below are two of the central demands put forth by homosexual activists in their “1972 Gay Rights Platform”:

    •”Repeal all laws governing the age of sexual consent.” (This should send a chill down the spine of any parent. It would legally allow pedophiles, and homosexuals who were so inclined, to access your children and teens for their own predatory sexual gratification — so long as those children “consented” to having sex.)


    •”Repeal all legislative provisions that restrict the sex or number of persons entering into a marriage unit.” (Once marriage is redefined, there can be no logical or ethical objection to any conceivable “marriage” combination, including polygamous “marriages.” By watering down marriage, “gay” activists and like-minded politicos [usually activist judges] remove this foundational institution’s intrinsic value.)

    Here are just a few of the demands the homosexual lobby put forth during the 1987 (Homosexual) “March on Washington”:

    •”The government should provide protection from discrimination based on sexual orientation in employment, public accommodations and education just as protection is provided on race, creed, color, sex, or national origin.” ([ENDA] This would force all religious business owners, landlords and schools to abandon — under penalty of law — sincerely held and constitutionally protected religious beliefs and adopt a view of sexual morality that runs entirely counter to central teachings of every major world religion.)


    •”Anti-homophobic curriculum in the schools.” (Translation: pro-homosexual, government-mandated indoctrination. This is already occurring in thousands of public schools throughout America. Children are being force-fed the absurd notion that male-male anal sodomy is a perfectly acceptable, “alternative” sexual “orientation.” This calculated propaganda continues to expand, despite the fact that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has acknowledged that such behaviors place participants at extremely high risk for dangerous and often deadly infectious disease.)


    •”The government should ensure all public education programs include programs designed to combat lesbian/gay prejudice. … Institutions that discriminate against lesbian and gay people should be denied tax-exempt status and federal funding.” (This means churches, religious schools and religious businesses. Some jurisdictions, such as the state of New Jersey, have already begun removing tax-exempt status from church related ministries that refuse to provide “commitment ceremonies” to homosexuals.)


    •”Public and private institutions should support parenting by lesbian or gay couples.” (This is now being mandated in many states such as California and Massachusetts. In Massachusetts, Catholic Charities’ adoption service was recently forced to close down because it refused to assign children to homosexuals for adoption.)

    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/mbarber/080213

    • Kate8

      Jay – Thank you for posting that article. I have read many other articles laying out the whole agenda, and it is so insidious that it should be sounding alarm bells to all who love children. Of course, it’s always packaged in a way that sells to liberal minds: tolerance, inclusiveness, acceptance…

      The horrific truth is that many, many of those whithin the PTB are homosexual/pedophile, and see the masses as their own herd, from which to select children for their own amusement. This is not new. People in power have been using children for all time. In America, 83 children go “missing” every hour, and many of them turn up as sex-slaves to the powerful, or even sacrifices in their satanic rituals.

      As shocking as this is, it is true. Another shock is that Target stores are widely used for school photos and yearbooks, which are, in turn, used by elites in selecting children for their purposes.

      • Kevin

        You feel that his post, which uses an obscure “agenda” from nearly 40 years ago is good? Let me clear this up for you. I am a gay man. At no point in my life have I been handed a gay agenda or any type of mission statement or plan. I have never attended any type of meeting of gays, nor do I know anyone who has. There is no nefarious gay agenda. It is a horrible myth shoved down the throats of the gullible to paint homosexuals as evil predators.

        Gay men are not attracted to children. Gay men are attracted to other gay MEN. Gay men want consensual adult relationships that are not based solely on sex, despite what you seem to believe. And your linking gay men to some satanic, kidnapping, sex-trade is offensive and ridiculous.

        You should try to actually obtain some facts about homosexuality instead of gullibly believing a bunch of outlandish myths and outright lies.

        • Kate8

          Kevin – That is exactly how you are intended to view things. Do you think the PTB could promote an agenda if people understood what they were doing? IT IS AN AGE OLD TACTIC.

          YOU may not feel that you have an agenda, but you are complicit by your (albeit unwitting) participation and/or consent.

          YOU do some research and you will find that everything said here is, sadly, true. You are being used, you are a tool, right along with millions of others who are swept into the many facets of this agenda. The gay aspect is only one part of it.

          Not all gays are pedophiles, and no one said they were. There are many deviants who have very versatile appetites, and being in high places gives them opportunity to indulge in whatever suits their immediate fancy. As I said, this has been going on as long as Earth has had men who rule and have power.

          • Kevin

            I am a very well educated person, so please do not speak down to me. There is no evidence to support a link between homosexuality and pedophilia. Pedophilia is a disorder and involves the rape of children. While homosexuality may not be the biological norm, it is most certainly not anything like pedophilia. You are referencing these power mad pedophiles in a discussion about homosexuality and while praising a posting about a ridiculous “agenda” supposedly put forth nearly 40 years ago. The only agenda that most gay people are interested in today is to be treated equally under the law. Simple as that.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – Sorry, but your Leftist education is of no consequence to me. It simply serves to explain why you are so blinded to the truth.

            You are so caught up in your own agenda that you can’t see beyond it.

          • 45caliber

            Kevin:

            Rape using as sex with children is both true and false. The action of Rape is not for sexual gratification as most women who are raped will tell you – it is to punish and abuse them. Rape of a child is normally rape only in the sense that the child has no idea of whether the sexual act is right or wrong and cannot give reasoned consent. (Not always since there are men and women who want to force and harm the child.)

            Therefore many adults (all of whom we consider pediphiles) want to have SEX with the child, not rape. It is rape only be definition. And many of these feel that they are actually trying to do the child a favor by ‘teaching’ them how nice sex is. Many of these people are trying to teach the child to have sex their way. And many homosexuals do that simply because they feel that they are ‘teaching’ the child that homosexual sex is both right and pleasurable.

            Those are ALSO the type of people we don’t want involved with children. And those are also many of the people who want to ‘educate’ chidren that sex is okay at a young age – when it isn’t. EVERY child I know that began sex at a young age (13 and under) has had a bad adulthood.

          • Kevin

            And who are these homosexuals who are supposedly advocating that young children experiment in sex? Pedophiles and homosexuals are not the same thing. It is ignorant and insulting to try to link the two together.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – You are really hung up on terms.

            Not all heteros are pedophiles. Some are.

            Not all gays are pedophiles. Some are.

            Some are strictly pedophiles. Some aren’t.

            Sexual appetites and preferences are as diverse as people are, and are now encouraged to run amok. Different strokes and all that.

            I think you need to grow up a bit.

          • Kevin

            “The horrific truth is that many, many of those whithin the PTB are homosexual/pedophile, and see the masses as their own herd, from which to select children for their own amusement. This is not new. People in power have been using children for all time. In America, 83 children go “missing” every hour, and many of them turn up as sex-slaves to the powerful, or even sacrifices in their satanic rituals.”

            These are your words Kate8. You are equating homosexuals to pedophiles. You and 45Caliber have made numerous comments suggesting that homosexuals are targeting children. Yet when I respond you try to say that I am childish or that I am a product of some secret agenda. The sad thing is that in every single one of your posts you have not provided one accurate fact. You can feel free to look at the world through your rose-colored glasses and believe in conspiracy theories and blame homosexuals for the decay of the country. I will choose to actually see reality and deal with the things in my life that I can and not make up boogeymen to blame my problems on.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – Just because you don’t accept something as true doesn’t mean it isn’t. There is a great deal that goes on that you don’t know about.

            I’m sorry that you are so troubled by your issues that you feel the need to defend and justify yourself. See, I don’t care what you think of me. I’ve had a lifetime of research and study, and I’m not afraid to look in scary places. I’d rather know the truth, no matter how bizarre, than to believe in lies.

            I hope you someday find peace in yourself.

          • Kevin

            So Kate, once again you answer by not answering. You have clearly not had a life of study and research because everything you have brought up has been without factual basis.

          • http://naver samurai1966

            Sorry Kevin, but taking a conversation around in circles shows low education and experience, not highly educated or well experienced. No matter how much spin you put on this thing, it is still a load of BS. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Kevin

            Well Samurai, I am not the one taking it in circles. I have stuck to the issue and merely asked Kate8 to back up her own statements. I’m not quite sure how you can think that asking someone to back up their claims demonstrates a lack of education though.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – Just how do you expect me to back up my statements? Post links? LOL.

            What I have learned has come from YEARS of study. And I have no desire to convince you of anything. If you want to learn, you can do it as easily as I. I don’t need to “back up” my statements.

            BTW, where have you “backed up” your statements? It’s called a “discussion”. You say something, I say something, you respond, and the world goes ’round.

            Get over yourself, Kevin.

          • Kevin

            Yes, post some links Kate. Provide some example of where you did this supposed “studying.” You want to make accusations about some secret cabal of satanic homosexual/pedophiles running a sex trade with children and then say that you shouldn’t have to back that up? I agree, this is supposed to be a discussion, yet when I offer an alternate opinion you try to worm around it and make some comment about me needing to get over myself or how gay teens who have committed suicide did it for some superficial reason, you say boo hoo about bullying. When I refute your misinformation with facts, you try to dance around it and say that I am not comfortable with myself or filled with guilt. Let me be very clear to you. I have no guilt about my life. I live a wonderful life with a wonderful man. We love and support each other. I do not spend my time “whining” as you call it, but if I see an injustice, I will speak my mind about it. It is not me that needs to get over himself, Kate, you need to get over yourself and have some understanding for other people’s points of view. If you have an issue with any of the information I have posted, I will be glad to provide evidence to back it up. Which statement would you like cleared up?

          • Kate8

            Kevin – The difference between you and me is, I don’t feel the need to justify myself nor what I say. I say what I mean and I mean what I say, to the best of my ability, and you can take it or leave it.
            If you refute me, I’m not going to try to convince you. What’s the point? Your mind is made up. If you want to know, you could find your own links. I have other things to do than to bother about what you think.

            If I don’t like what you say, so what? If I need to check it out, I will. I don’t require that you prove anything, because I wouldn’t believe you anyway, most likely. Nor would you believe anything I offered. You’d discount it, just like you did the link I did post.

            I daresay my education is much broader than yours, and I’ve been around a good deal longer than you. I’ve seen America change radically before you were born. You are the same age as my kids.

            You young people today have no respect for wisdom. It will be your downfall.

          • Kevin

            So in the end Kate, you just feel that your opinions are all that matter. You enter into discussions, expect the other person to hear your side and accept it at face value, anything the other person has to say though is automatically wrong and he doesn’t know what he’s talking about? Sounds fair.

            The truth is that I feel sorry for you after attempting to have a discussion with you. You are filled with a great deal of hatred and paranoia about things and seem to think that facts are flexible. I choose not to live my life in fear of make believe threats coming at me. I do not waste my time hating people, even those who try to tell me that I don’t deserve to have rights. I am a kind and giving person who helps my fellow man, regardless of whether or not I agree with their “values” or “lifestyle.”

          • Kate8

            Kevin – Aha! Your Leftist tactics emerge. When you can’t convince your target, marginalize him!

            What I said was, if I find value in what you say, I’ll check it out, and you can do the same. We are on different pages of the book.

            Your youth betrays your lack of knowledge and understanding. Call me names if it makes you feel better. I simply wish you well, and hope that some day you will expand your field of vision.

          • Kate8

            BTW, Kevin. You just said that you live a wonderful life with a wonderful man. That is a lot more than many people have.

            So just what’s your beef?

            Maybe you should just try counting your blessings.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            kate8,
            Yes, don’t speak down to kevin, even though he has been doing it to people all along this thread!!!

          • Kevin

            I marginalize people? Seriously? You have been doing that the entire time! I do live a wonderful life with a wonderful man, yet I cannot marry him. I get to be a part of the marriage ceremonies of my friends and family and see them have something that I will never have. And why can’t I have it? Because people like you say so? I don’t think so. I am not being selfish, I am merely asking for the same opportunity to express my love and commitment and to have the same rights that come with a marriage that everyone else does. A civil union does not provide those rights, so that is not a viable option. We are religious and would like to be married in a church and receive God’s blessing on our union, just like everyone else. We should not have to change religions because people like you refuse to see us as people. This is not my being a baby, this is my expecting to be treated the same.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Kevin,
          you want me to believe that you have never attended ANY of the afore mentioned gay pride parades??? Yeah right, and santa is real and in love with the easter bunny!!!

          • Kevin

            Excuse me? Are you under the impression that all gay people are mandated to attend gay pride parades? I don’t like parades period, regardless of the reason for the parade, never have. I show my pride in different ways that do not involve flamboyant displays. But thank you for trying to stereotype me.

          • Jay

            Judging by the fact that you so passionately defend the homosexual lifestyle here at this conservative blog, it would then be reasonable to assume that you may have attended a gay pride parade! Why did you get so defensive when JoeH made that statement? I have to admit, that I agree with JoeH, and that you are not being completely honest! BTW, I have seen film footages of a gay pride parade, and I must say, it was nothing short of disgusting.

          • Kevin

            I defend homosexuality because I am gay. That does not mean that I have to attend every gay event or agree with what every gay group does. You seem to want to lump all gay people into a single category and assume that we are all wicked and perverse and out to destroy the nation. You seem to have an issue with my expressing my opinion or defending myself, sounds very American to me, Freedom of Speech for some, as long as they agree with you, right?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Kevin,
            Then instead of trying to convert us, go fight with the worst of your perverse little group and change them!!!! You want 85% of the population to change theirreligeous beliefs for 15% of you! I can tell you, it AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN!!! You try to pervert our Bible’s word to fit your little world of convoluted paramiters of right/wrong so you can somehow feel worth that isn’t there, IT’S IMAGINED!! Go to the Netherlands where you can be in your own little perverted little Nirvana!!

          • Jay

            Good one JoeH!

          • Kevin

            What am I trying to convert you to be? Tolerant? American? An actually good Christian? God says not to judge others lest ye be judged. Yet your post is filled with judgments and insults. You claim to believe in America, where every man is equal, but tell me to go to the Netherlands because I do not agree with you. Who is the one with the actual problem Joe?

          • Jay

            God did say not to judge, however, He did advise to discern between right from wrong, and that is not judging! Playing the the religious card? You shouldn’t, you barely understand biblical terminology!

        • Cawmun Cents

          Evidently,if I want to obtain facts about homosexuls,I have to go sit in school with my kids.That is of course,unless like the case in Tennesee,it is not part of school curriculum.Personally I prefer it that way.Were it only so in the Peoples Republic of California,where I currently reside.I noticed that The California flag has a red star on it and a bear.I was remembering that the former Soviet Union wore red stars on their military uniforms and the symbol for the nation was a large brown bear.Kind of like deja-vu all over again.Perhaps if they work hard at it,they can achieve Stalin-esque tolerance levels here in the Peoples Republic of California,eliminating the need for argument.And of course any who argue will also be eliminated.Yes I am certain that I do not want homosexuality taught in the schools….which is why I will homeschool my kids.They will do better in school if they are not concerned with sexual issues and stick to curricular ones.No need to create another radical activist….we already have a bunch of them here in the Peoples Repblic of California.

          • Kate8

            Cawmun Cents – Millions of parents have been opting for homeschooling, and the Left is busy trying to make that illegal.

            And still they insist that they are not trying to control what our kids learn. The truth is, they are on an all-out campaign to own the minds of the new generation.

        • Jay

          Denial, denial, denial!!!

  • http://com i41

    Just another crap government mandated school program. The 2 decade program of DARE proved to only increase drug use and since the mush brains are going to try whaty every is considered bad for them. Since the sex education bs has been taught in schools, only increased the deviant behavoir and unwanted pregancy. Most of the teachers are only barely 4-5 years away from being students themselve and not too mature themselves. Cut the feel good s–t and go back to basic teaching and the test scores will go up. Go TENN!

  • Jay

    INTRODUCTION
    How many of you haven’t heard of the “Gay Agenda” or “Radical Homosexual Agenda”?

    Although many claim there isn’t one, here it is, the new, improved radical, homosexual agenda for 2005. A roadmap, if you will, towards destroying nuclear families, and reshaping society to the point that if your son isn’t blowing his professor, don’t expect any graduation ceremonies.

    THE GAY AGENDA

    1.Gay men and lesbians should marry one another, and extol each other every tangible and intangible benefit the institution provides. They cannot stop gay marriage as long as gays are marrying. If you are gay and single without a desire to marry, marry a homosexual of the opposite sex anyway, and donate any marriage credits the government may offer to any gay organization seeking to destroy heterosexual norms.

    2.Once benefits are secured, divorce. Wreck the sanctity of the institution by driving up the divorce rates from the current 52% to at least 80%.

    3.Remember 52% of marriages end in divorce, the remaining 48% in death. There’s nothing sanctimonious about that. Demand the institution and then wreck it. James Dobson was right about our evil intentions. We just plan to be quicker than he thought.

    4.Get a gun and learn how to shoot. It’s as much about arming bears as it is bearing arms. If you think you’re protected by the Constitution, think again. If they don’t allow you to marry, the next amendment will be to deny gays guns.
    5. Reclaim Jesus. He was a Jewish queer to begin with, and don’t let anyone forget it.

    6. BAN DIVORCE. If the institution is so in need of protection, seek a constitutional amendment to ban divorce. One marriage, once.

    7.Normalize – Thwart fashion and style sense inclinations so that homophobes cannot separate you from straights. Gay vague my ass. Make it gay impossible to tell.

    8.Hate Crime laws are just the beginning. Once those are passed either federally or in all 50 states, begin campaign to eliminate homophobia entirely.

    9.Like “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” thoughts or words equal conduct. Homophobic inclinations alone, even without any actions, should be criminal and punishable to the full extent of the law.

    10.Penetrate the sperm banks to perpetuate the gene. Although the nature vs. nurture debate rages on, ensure that as many vials of semen contain gay genes.

    11. Lie about your sexual orientation when giving blood. Screening of blood is either effective or not. If a celibate gay’s blood is more dangerous than that of sexually promiscuous heterosexual, the problem is in the screening process, not the orientation of the donor. Faggot blood is God’s blood.

    12.Alternatively, set up blood banks for gay blood only. For us fags by us fags (FUFBUF).

    13.Become surrogate mothers or males donate sperm to lesbian couples. If children of gays are to be put up for adoption, stipulate that heterosexuals are unfit for parenting such children, no matter how sad or desperate they may be.

    14.If you are HIV positive, engage in unprotected sex with pedophile priests and pastors. We have enough recruits from Christian schools and the military without us having to house perverts cloaked in religion. There’s the Catholic Church for that.

    15. Tithe. Make sure that gay representation permeates every level of governance.

    16.Sneak gay subtext into every book, movie, video game, TV show or other media that you have access to. Nothing like subliminal messaging to equate queerness with Godliness. (Don’t forget, they catch the obvious ones like Spongebob and Tinky Winky, but they’ll miss Bart or Freddie from Grand Theft Auto because they’re too well hidden. Don’t worry, their badly parented, unsupervised kids will know it when they see it).

    17.Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians etc. are fundamentally the same. Don’t pledge allegiance to any one party. Make all parties grovel for your vote, not take it for granted.

    18.Ensure that you preserve DNA samples to be used for cloning purposes if necessary.

    19.Join the military and rise in the ranks (as has always been the case). When enough gay servicemembers come out en masse it will force the military to drop their outdated policy, and admit that probably 25% or more only happen to shoot straight.

    20.Ensconce yourself in virulently homophobic organizations like the Boy Scouts and Southern Baptists or Concerned Women for America. The more indispensable homos they have in their fold, the more hypocritical their ultimate exposure. And any bad behavior can simply be blamed on their organizations.

    21.If you’re a sick pedophile, join the Catholic Church. They’ll be good to you and shelter you like they always have.

    22. Recruit straight men and women. We’re accused of it anyway, so we may as well give the accusation legs. And remember, when push comes to shove, a six-pack or a joint goes a long way.

    23.If you’re male, give Concerned Women for America a raison d’être by having sex with their husbands, sons and fathers. And of course, you dykes will know exactly what to do with their daughters. At least those that aren’t already teaching us in our beds.

    24.Bombard the Federal Communications Commission any time anything remotely offensive to gay people appears on the airwaves. Homophobia is indecent, and our children must be sheltered from it. They want to regulate decency. Let’s keep them really, really busy.

    25.Create facilities that recondition homophobic deviancy. Certain religious groups have attempted to “straighten” gay children. If their assertions are correct, children exercising homophobic tendencies can be corrected using electro-therapy.

    26.Turn eradicating homophobia and encouraging the gay lifestyle from a cottage industry into a multi-billion dollar cash cow.

    27.Turn “Heather has a Mommy and a Daddy. Don’t Blame it on Her” into a best seller.

    28.Most gay children are born of heterosexual parents. If they want to eradicate homosexuality, vasectomies and hysterectomies are fabulously effective. Safer than condoms and abstinence!

    29.Some are still attempting to define homosexuality as a disease. Let them move forward. Once passed in any region — local, state or federal — take full advantage of employment protection legislation and related compliance including Medicaid and workers compensation. They can call us names but it’s going to cost them. Big.

    30.Until marriage is equal, heterosexuals should be forbidden from wearing wedding rings in public. The blatant flaunting of their sexuality is inappropriate, and we don’t need our children conjuring up penises and vaginas every time they spot a wedding ring. Gay marriage would neutralize that consequence.

    31.Heterosexual public displays of affection can be confusing for gay kids. There should be no hugging or physical touch between heterosexuals in public places. Brief handshakes or a brief affirmative hand on a shoulder is okay.

    32.Any literature or educational material in any school or public library should display warnings if they contain heterosexual content.

    33.The Tinky Defense – San Francisco Supervisor, Dan White, blamed Twinkies for murdering gay Supervisor, Harvey Milk and Mayor, George Moscone. It worked. If you happen to kill a heterosexual, simply blame Jerry Falwell’s Tinky Winky obsession as the reason. You were purple with rage.

    34.Any homophobic persons, even former homophobes that have been rehabilitated, should be required to register using the same model as child molesters. There should be strict limitations pertaining to their proximity to any gay bars, clubs, gyms or institutions that are predominantly gay. Parents of gay children need to be aware of the dangers such individuals present, and should be aware of their presence in their neighborhoods.

    35.If accused of having a Gay Agenda, point to this page and respond, “it’s not an agenda, it’s the Gospel.”
    http://www.annoy.com/features/doc.html?DocumentID=100722

    • Kevin

      Is this your idea of a serious and rational argument? This is pathetic and offensive on many levels.

      • Jeff in OH

        Kevin, I find your post to be pathetic and offensive…..Get off my computer. I ban you from reading any of my post. That’s it, YOUR BAND..

        • Kevin

          Your spelling is offensive. The word is banned.

          • Jay

            Kevin, we have all made typing errors, don’t be so petty!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Jay,
            now remember, kevin is a teacher and used to correcting people and talking DOWN to them as well, it seems!!!

      • JC

        Guys, I think Jay was merely pointing out what it is we are up against.

      • Jay

        Kevin, this is the ugly side of the homosexual community or movement. Are you so naive as to suggest that the homosexual community/movement is impervious to corruption, free of radical extremists, devoid of self-serving agendas, pure, spotless, blameless and holly? Your inference that the homosexual movement is pure as the driven snow, and that you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the ugly side, is the reason why I resist the idea of presenting to our children the questionable lifestyle! It would not be a comprehensive presentation, but a presentation that will be deliberately slanted and biased! I can understand why you will not agree, after all, you are a homosexual, and no doubt you will dismiss my observations. But every organization and every social movement is subject to corruption, and yours is certainly not impervious! This isn’t to say that there are no well intentioned and well meaning gay people, just as there are well meaning and well intentioned people everywhere, in every organization, but human nature is highly corruptible and narcissistic and cannot be completely trusted!

        • Kevin

          I am well aware that there are corrupt gay people, just as there are corrupt straight people. However, if you are stupid enough to believe that this list you posted is some sort of accepted or practiced “gay agenda” then I truly feel sorry for you. The link you used shows that this is just some idiots blog!!! If you read the whole thing you would see that he was being sarcastic!!! What is sad is that you and a few other posters are acting like this is the gay bible, sent from somewhere over the rainbow. If you are going to use propaganda, at least try to find something believable, or here’s an idea, why not focus on having an intelligent discussion by only using the truth!

      • Jay

        The truth about you and your bro’s, is pathetic and offensive, only to you and your religious brothers!

        • Kevin

          Not one of these things is true Jay. The idea that you are trying to pass it off as true is sad and it demeans any type of reasonable discussion on the issue. If you really believe that this is what homosexuals are trying to accomplish, you should seek some professional help for your paranoid delusions. No one with a reasonable sense of reality would actually believe this nonsense you have posted here. And my “bros”? Really? Kinda lame.

          • Jay

            That was a good effort Kevin! But again, just more of your spin!

  • iam

    Does Jonathan Cole claim that pushing homosexuality in schools is not a ploy to advance a social agenda? Why is it that only decent people are “advancing an agenda?” Why is it that perverts are “not advancing an agenda?”

    • Jay

      Not just a social agenda, more specifically, the radical homosexual agenda!!!

  • patrick

    Also, I think the person named Jay has written some very intelligent examples of what has been going on in this country for years… the long slow process of brainwashing society, in grade school on up through college, and students to eliminate their resistance to their queer/gay lifestyle. Once again, I offer 1 trillion cash to anyone that can scientifically prove that there is a gay gene in our DNA?
    YOU ARE NOT BORN THATWAY!!!!

    • Kevin

      I WAS born this way. For years I tried to deny it and act the way society told me was “normal.” All I accomplished was to be extremely depressed and attempt suicide. Once I finally accepted myself for who I am, I became happy. I found someone to share my life with and we have been very happy together, monogamously, for years. Just because science has not located a genetic reason at this point, does not mean that one does not exist. Homosexual behavior can be found in nearly every species on the planet. Clearly, there is a reason for it. Someday, someone will figure it out.

      And if you feel that Jay’s arguments are intelligent and logical, then I worry for you.

      • Kate8

        Kevin – Homosexuals have always been around, and have always had the right in America to practice their chosen lifestyle. (Unlike in many other countries, such as Islamic ones, where they can be killed, by law.)

        I used to have friends who were gay, and it wasn’t a thing that had to be discussed. In fact, it only became a hotpoint when the gay militant stance began.

        What we DON’T want is your lifestyle shoved down our throats, or the throats of our children. Fine. Live and let live. But let US live, too, unmolested by YOUR agenda. Don’t ask us to elevate you or celebrate you, any more than we would anyone else.

        I don’t like seeing any sexual displays in public, not hetero or homo. Keep it in your home. That would be what civil folks do.

        • Kevin

          Yes, homosexuality has always existed, but your notion that homosexuals have always been allowed to live freely is absurd! There are still states which have sodomy laws on the books. They may not be enforced anymore, but it wasn’t all that far in the American past that they were. Gay people have been denied many rights and priveleges for a long time and still are. Things have come a long way, but your implication that gay people can live freely is very naive.

          I am always curious to know what people mean when they say that gay people are shoving gay lifestyle down people’s throats. It seems to me that even mentioning that we exist is interpreted as shoving our lifestyle down people’s throats. I do not agree with public displays of affection either. But that is not the issue here. The issue at hand is whether or not a senator can pass a law banning even the mere mention of the word gay in a school. The state where the bill is being pushed already has a law in place which prevents sexual education and schools in TN do not have anything currently in the curriculum about teaching homosexuality in any form. So who is it that is really forcing an agenda? Doesn’t sound like gay people are to me?

          I don’t ask anyone to celebrate me or treat me differently because I am gay. It is merely a part of who I am, like the color of my skin. It is not a daily topic of conversation, nor should it be. I live my life, as most gay people do, day by day and merely would like to be treated as an equal citizen and have equal rights, not special rights.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – You are unable to see what’s really going on here because you don’t want to.

            Civilizations go through many struggles throughout time. There was also a time in America where women had no rights. So what. I don’t carry any chips about that.

            It says something about our society that we correct wrongs that are truly discriminatory, unlike certain other nations. The problem is, we are never allowed, by the Left, to move on. They keep beating the same dead horses, and they hijack the causes to further their own evil purposes of total control.

            It is never of value to exploit guilt by dwelling on the past. It has been a long time since people of color, gender or sexual preference have been marginalized. Why keep the past alive? What good can that possibly accomplish? NONE. It only helps those who have a reason for keeping us divided.

          • Kevin

            The issues have not been resolved! Things have changed, yes, but gay people are still denied many rights based simply on the fact that they are gay. YOU are the one who refuses to see reality because it is about other people than yourself. When you are told that you can’t be married to the person you love and have been with for many years, come and talk to me. When the person you love is in the hospital and you are not allowed to be with them, come talk to me. When you are assaulted because of something you can’t change, come talk to me. Until then, you are living in a dream world and need to wake up.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – “Marriage” is only a word, and has ALWAYS meant the union of OPPOSITES. Male/male, female/female, cannot, by definition, be MARRIED.

            Why are you so hung up on a word? Do what you guys always do and MAKE UP YOUR OWN WORD. Let “marriage” belong to heteros, as it has since time began.

            NOTHING stops you from living with whomever you choose. Laws are there to protect your collective interests now. But that is not enough, is it? YOU HAVE TO HIJACK THE WORD.

            For God’s sake, man, leave us with some dignity, some semblance of our traditions. You just won’t be happy until you’ve destroyed every aspect of our Judeo-Christian culture, will you?

          • Kevin

            First, based on your response, I think we can both agree that it is not just a word. Words carry weight and meaning. And you are again misinformed if you believe that civil unions, as you seem to be suggesting, carry with them the same rights and protections as marriage. If they did, then there wouldn’t be an issue. Also, marriage is not simply a Judeo-Christian rite, it exists in all cultures and religions. What would be so wrong with gay people getting married? How would it destroy the institution? You claim that gay people are shoving their agenda down your throat, but by claiming marriage for your own, you are shoving your agenda down my throat.

          • 45caliber

            Kevin:

            What rights have you been denied?

            The right to work where you wish? I wish I could work where I’d like to work! I can only work where they will hire me. The right to state loudly that you are gay every time you wish? I’d fire anyone who was straight that did that if I had any sayso about it. Sex and the workplace don’t mix. I work with gays but none of us talk about gay or straight sex. I go home to my wife and he goes home to his partner. Work is seperate.

            Taxes? Yes, there is some problems there. Get it worked out with the politicians. I won’t interfere. Marriage? Have civil ceremonies and I don’t care. A lot of hetros do. BUT … start insisting that my church MUST grant you the same vows, service, and so on that my religion does not grant and you have a problem with me. Most gay people I know accept that. Do you? Many gays won’t. Hospitals? If they won’t let the most important people in a person’s life in to see them, then there is a problem with the hospital. I’ve had troubles with such hospitals – and I’ve always won.

            But don’t simply insist there are problems and then sit back and let the more militant gays who want to supercede the rest of us call the shots. Get busy and see that you get the same – not extra.

          • Kevin

            I can only work where I get hired as well, being gay does not open up employment opportunities. Many companies will not hire someone who is gay still, they can’t state that as a reason, but companies don’t have to give a reason for why they hire one person over another. I don’t think that shouting “I’m gay” is a right either. I don’t know too many people who do that, I certainly don’t. Civil unions do not provide the same tax breaks or protections that marriages do. As far as churches refusing to perform marriages, that does not apply to all churches. There are many gay people who are very religious. Why should they be denied the opportunity to make a commitment under God?

          • Kate8

            Kevin – I mentioned Judeo-Christian culture because that is what America was founded upon. You are correct, all cultures have marriage as an institution, and ALL OF THEM involve a man/woman union.

            Marriage was exclusively a religious institution until the State inserted itself in order to lay claim to the children. It never was a secular institution but, rather, a religious sacrament. By denying the requirements of that sacrament, you are denying multitudes their right to hold their religious values sacred.

            You and I have EXACTLY THE SAME rights here. We both have equal rights to marry someone of the opposite sex. We both do not have the right to marry someone of the same sex, because that is not marriage.

            You have every right to join (or start) your own religion and call it whatever you want. Say, handfasting, like the Wiccans. A rose by any other name…except that it wouldn’t intrude on the Sacrament of Marriage and defile the sacred values held since time began.

            If the laws in your state don’t give the same protections to civil unions, then why not change the laws? That way, EVERYONE WINS.

            But it’s not about that, is it, Kevin? NO. It’s about the complete dismantling of our culture and value sysem. It’s about complete control over the people and everything we think and do.

          • Kevin

            So Kate you feel that the answer is for me to enter into a sham marriage? That will help to defend the institution of marriage? Brilliant, you’ve solved everything. And why didn’t I think of trying to get the laws changed to provide equal rights for gay couples? If only there was some sort of movement going on in America trying to get gay marriage and gay rights, oh wait there is! If it were that simple, then it wouldn’t be a problem. Gay people have been trying for decades to get these rights. Once again Kate, you seem to be very naive and misinformed. And I am a Christian and believe in Christian values. Despite what you think, being gay does not equal being immoral. Gay marriage will not lead to the dismantling of society. What I want is to have a society where it won’t matter what race, gender, or sexual orientation you are, you will be treated the same.

          • Cawmun Cents

            But what you fail to understand Kevin is that by using the term”marriage”(when referring to an institution of the kind)and trying to get me to realize thet your deviant behavior is actually normal,you are asking for special treatment.When I say that is is deviant behavior,I am referring to the fact that physiologically,men and women are designed to fit together.Any other way of coupling deviates from design.So it is deviancy to call a homosexual union,marriage.You can say that you are not asking for special treatment,but by definition you obviously are.Its not rocket science,merely scientific observation.Trying to thwart an intelligent persons opine by making a statement of fallacy will only serve to denegrate your position.If you want special treatment,go to Mexico,and enjoy your following treatment. Please,stay out of national laws,schools,and especially my childrens curriculum.And dont ask for special treatment,because you are obviosuly not special.

          • Kevin

            I see, so marriage is based on sex only then? I’m sure that your wife will appreciate knowing that you feel that way. I was under the impression that marriage was about love and commitment. But I guess being deviant, I have been confused. It is not your place to dictate who gets to have the right to do anything. I am not gay because of a behavior, I am gay period. I do not behave promiscuously, I do not engage in bizarre behaviors, nor do I use drugs or commit crimes. I am a good, moral, upstanding, American citizen. I believe in equal rights for everyone. I am not looking to redefine marriage, I am looking to be able to particpate in the institution with the man I love and am committed to. When women were given the vote, did it change what a vote meant? When slavery ended and and slaves were granted citizenship, did it change the meaning of what an American is? Why do you believe that this would change the meaning of the institution of marriage? If the only thing people can define marriage about is gender and sex, then I am not surprised at the divorce rate. It should be about love and commitment.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – Like all Leftists, YOU ARE NOT HEARING. You are deliberately clouding and distorting in order to try to win your cause.

            Marriage is a RELIGIOUS sacrament, for the union of a man and a woman. Period. Why do you want to change what has been for thousands of years?

            What this is about is shaping society to suit your viewpoint, and to heck with those who hold these things as sacred.

            The truth is, where gay “marriage” (already a sham by definition) is condoned, the institution of marriage completely disintegrates across the board. You want it to mean what YOU want it to mean, and that’s all you care about. You just want to win.

            Get a life. Make your own institutions, and stay out of ours.

          • Kevin

            Again Kate, you fail to explain HOW it would denigrate anything. Why do you own marriage? I am religious. I attend church. I actually seem to have an understanding of the Bible’s message of love, unlike you who seems to believe that the Bible is a weapon to be used to segregate this group from that one. You say over and over that gays are shoving an agenda down your throat, but you are doing it to us. What business is it of yours who I marry? Who are you to tell me that I can’t have the same rights that marriages endows to all other Americans? I actually do listen to what everyone has to say. The fact that I don’t go and cower in a corner doesn’t mean that I don’t listen. Just because something has been a certain way for thousands of years, doesn’t mean it is right.

            For thousands of years marriage was a business transaction that women were sold into. It wasn’t about love. Shall we go back to the dowry system? Slavery existed for thousands of years before a group of liberals took a stand and ended it. Women had no rights for thousands of years and were viewed as the legal property of men until a group of liberals took a stand and provided them with rights. If it weren’t for liberals who are willing to stand up against injustice, we would still be a British colony.

            A number of countries have already legalized gay marriage, what has happened in those countries that has denigrated their society? The divorce rate has not changed. Children are not being abused. There has not been a change in the number of gay people in those countries. Yet, conservatives scream and yell about the destruction of society and the institution of marriage. If your marriage is so weak that two people of the same gender, who have nothing to do with you, get married, that is your issue. If people in this country hang their ideas about marriage about what other people do, then the institution has already been ruined.

          • Kate8

            kevin – You claim to be Christian, yet you don’t know scripture.

            There are many apostate churches today, who don’t follow at all the teachings of Christ. He said there would be many who come in His name with false teachings. He said that, when the time comes, many would say, “Lord, Lord”, and He will say, “I never knew you”.

            You speak of love, yet you attempt to FORCE your will on others. The rest of us are merely defending our faith, which has stood for thousands of years.

            As for your revisionist history – holy cow. LIBERALS did those things? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Not even! At least not in any sense that it means today. These were God loving, courageous men and women who too a stand for freedom, and relied on Divine Providence to show the Way. They even warned us about what would become of this nation if we let Leftists gain charge.

            BTW, the US slaveowners were all southern democrats. It was the RIGHT to freed the slaves.

            Go read some history that was printed before the ’60s and ’70s. You are utterly clueless.

            You Leftists think you are so cerebral, so intellectual, and yet, you are completely without wisdom or common sense. And there is no truth in you. You are blind. You think that you are independent thinkers, but you are plugged into the matrix, and are really no more than a hive.

            Wake up, son, before it’s too late.

          • JC

            Kevin says:
            April 28, 2011 at 2:25 pm
            … Civil unions do not provide the same tax breaks or protections that marriages do…

            ___________________________________________________________________

            I’ve always found it odd that gay couples would want the same “tax recognition” under marriage that straight couples get.
            Do you realize that when you get married you become one “Tax unit”?
            That means that each of you is responsible for the others taxes and all assets are up for grabs…

            If it weren’t for children, a lot of us probably wouldn’t get married at all.

          • Kevin

            Kate – Again, I don’t know where you get your “facts” from, but we have seen time and again, that they are not exactly supported by anything other than your own hatred for everyone who disagrees with you.

            JC – If the only reason you got married is to have children, then you don’t actually believe in the institution of marriage as it should be. Being a tax unit is not a scary thing, unless you get divorced and have to divide the assets. If you are getting married to the person you actually love, this should not be an issue.

      • Jeff in OH

        I liked Jay’s comment. He makes sense. I VOTE FOR JAY!!!!

      • http://naver samurai1966

        Bzzzzz wrong answer! You show me proof that being gay is natural, as there is NO GAY GENE AT ALL! Even in 1973, the APA stop classifying homosexuality as a mental disorder. It couldn’t be, because gays aren’t pretending to be something they aren’t. No way you were born this way, you made the choice to be this way. Your choice, your responsibility, your messed up life, now go outside and play in the street while mommy cooks you dinner. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Kevin

          “Even in 1973, the APA stop classifying homosexuality as a mental disorder. It couldn’t be, because gays aren’t pretending to be something they aren’t.”

          Samurai – Wouldn’t this indicate that the APA feels that homosexuality is real then, not some choice being made or a disorder that needs to be fixed?

          • JC

            Fair enough. But by that definition, “Liberalism” is definately a Mental Disorder.

          • Kate8

            Just because some “expert” with an agenda makes a declaration about something, that is supposed to make it true?

            See, this is the problem with the Left. You are wholly unable to have an independent, rational thought. You rely on “experts” to tell you how and what to think.

            This whole gay thing is getting tedious. We all have our crosses to bear in life, so shut up and get on with it. Stop trying to engineer the world to suit yourself, and live in such a way that will make the world more positive for everyone.

            It’s not necessary that everyone like and accept you. No one has that option in life. Like they teach my grandson in (private) school: You git whatcha git and you don’t throw a fit.

            You could learn something here.

          • Kevin

            Kate – Samurai1966, one of the posters on your side of the argument brought this up, not me. I was a year old in 1973, so it didn’t impact me at that time. I find it interesting that you assume that the members of the APA must have been liberal to come to this conclusion and yet in the 38 years since then, the APA has not changed its opinion on this matter. Are there no conservative psychiatrists who have been able to determine the “cure” for homosexuality if they believe it is a disorder?

            I don’t rely on other people to tell me what to think. I know myself and I know that I did not choose to have these feelings, they are just a part of who I am.

            You’re tired of the “gay thing?” It will not go away. You can blow gay people off as unimportant and say everyone has a cross to bear if you want, but when someone else is putting that cross on my back by telling me that I am not equal to them because I am gay, I will not simply bare that cross. It is not being gay that is the issue, Kate, it is the way that gay people are being told to go away, to stay hidden, to not expect anything for themselves that is the issue.

            Gay people aren’t trying to re-engineer the world! We are trying to have a place in it where we don’t have to pretend that we are not gay! People like you want to make the world a place where only your opinion is heard and where only people who share your views are allowed to speak.

            This is not about people liking or accepting gay people either, that is oversimplifying the issue and denegrating gay people to spoiled children. You don’t have to like or accept homosexuality, you just can’t force us to pretend that we are non-existent. Is that too much to ask?

          • Kate8

            Kevin – You think your problems in life are so much greater than everyone else’s. What I’m tired of is your going on like a victim, like no one else’s cross can compare to yours. You sound like a spoiled child.

            I have a handicapped child. I’ve had to watch family members die slow, agonizing deaths, including my husband. Do you think your gayness is more heartwrenching? Maybe I should ask your mother.

            What I’m saying is, accept who you are, and stop trying to make all of us bear YOUR cross. We don’t ask you to bear ours.

            BTW, there are apostate churches who will marry you, if that is really what you want. Stop trying to force us all to accept it, because we won’t.

          • Jay

            People, stop arguing with Kevin, it will do no good! His purpose here is to drag you into a circular argument that will go nowhere, round and around we go, will it ever stop? I don’t believe so!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Kate8,
            God Bless you,lady. I know first hand the trials and tribulations you have been through with a handicapped child!! There are a lot of heartaches but there are a lot of celebrations for each and every little step forward!!! Keep smiling and give that child an extra hug for me!!

          • Kate8

            Thanks, Joe. My children and grandchild are the light of my life.

            I guess you know that a handicapped child is a special kind of blessing. What breaks my heart is her suffering, when there is so little I can do except be there.

            God bless you, too, Joe. I’d gladly take any kind of affliction on myself if it would take the affliction from my child. I’m sure you would, as well.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            You betcha, lady!!! If I could take all of my sons afflictions on me and he be cured? In a heartbeat!!!

          • Kevin

            No Kate, as a matter of fact, I don’t think my “problems” are greater than anyone else’s. Once again, being gay is not a cross to bear. Being gay is merely who I am. You are the one who keeps on trying to make it sound like it is an affliction. You bring up your handicapped child to try to make a comparison to a real problem? Your child’s handicap is an issue that through personal effort can be managed to a degree, depending on the handicap. Being gay is not an affliction nor a handicap, nor have I ever said that it is. The things preventing homosexuals from being able to persevere are external. Other people are telling homosexuals that they are abberant or deviant or that they don’t exist at all. You all have used these terms in this thread, then say, don’t try to convert us or change our opinions, but deal with your own problems. The main problem that homosexuals deal with is people like you. So, yet again Kate, you have missed the point and have tried to avert the attention from the issue by bringing up something that has nothing to do with the topic.

        • Karolyn

          There may not be a “gay gene,” but there are men born with extra x chromosomes and babies whose mother’s did not have enough testosterone to supply to the child for him to be hetero.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            karolyn,
            Show me proof!!!

          • Kate8

            Joe – Karolyn is probably right. There are men who seem to have very feminine qualities, and vice versa. There are many aberrations in nature, and I would never condemn anyone for whatever cards they were dealt at birth.

            Having said that, there is still no reason to change our traditions to suit the small minority of those who fall in this category. Who knows why we’re given the lot we have in life. What’s important is what we do with it, and how much love we bring into whatever we do. It’s of no use to lament what we feel we don’t have, and try to make the world accomodate our feelings of lack.

            This life is only a blip on the screen of eternity. We do the best we can, while we can, and time marches on. We tend to make too much of our own self-importance.

          • Jay

            Karolyn, you’re statement is a bit of a stretch and rather misleading. However, you are partially correct. The extra X chromosome found in some men do cause abnormalities, but not the one you’ve alluded to!

            Fragile X syndrome is caused by a mutated gene on the X chromosome. Affected individuals have developmental delays, variable levels of mental retardation, behavioral and emotional problems. They may also have characteristic physical traits. Males are affected more severely than females.
            Klinfelter syndrome is a genetic disorder affecting males. People with this syndrome are born with at least one extra X chromosome.

            Turner syndrome is a disorder of the chromosomes affecting females, where one of the two X chromosomes is partially or completely absent.

            Chromosomes are found in every cell in the body. Chromosomes contain genes, structures that direct the growth and functioning of all the cells and systems in the body. In other words, chromosomes are responsible for passing on hereditary traits from parents to child, like, eye color, height, nose shape, etc. Chromosomes also determine whether the child will be male or female. Normally, a person has a total of 46 chromosomes in each cell, two of which are responsible for determining that individual’s sex. These two sex chromosomes are called X and Y. The combination of these two types of chromosomes determines the sex of a child. Females have two X chromosomes (the XX combination); males have one X and one Y chromosome (the XY combination).

            Fragile X syndrome is the most common form of inherited mental retardation. Estimates of the incidence of this syndrome vary, but it is thought to affect about one in 2,000 girls and one in 1,250 boys. The syndrome is caused by a mutation in the FMR-1 gene, located on the X chromosome. The role of the gene is unclear, but it is probably important in early development.

            So there you have it Karolyn, its the X and Y chromosomes, and in combination, that determine the sex of the child, however, the combination of said chromosomes, do not determine the child’s sexual preference later in life, a very important distinction, whether heterosexual or homosexual, that, may or may not be determined by the Social sciences, whether psychiatric or psychological!

            So, the extra X chromosome that the so-called scientific gay community keeps pointing to as the gay gene, is completely FALSE!!! It does cause abnormalities, and remember, as you’ve stated, homosexuality is not abnormal, however, to say with confidence that it determines sexual preference is to mislead the uneducated and unsuspecting at best, and is propaganda at worst!

  • Kevin

    The truly amazing thing I see when reading these posts is the absolute ignorance and lack of facts that permeates them. First off, Homosexuality is not being taught in schools. Some states have programs which teach about diversity and tolerance which make mention of homosexual family units. This is a far cry from teaching homosexuality, which many of you seem to believe is teaching kids how to have gay sex.

    Tennessee already has a family values law for schools which prevents teaching about sexuality of any kind. Senator Campfield is trying to create a boogeyman for everyone to be afraid of and to distract everyone’s attention onto to prevent the voters from seeing that he is not doing anything he was actually elected to do.

    To demonstrate the “morality” of Senator Campfield, he has demanded to be paid $1,000 plus expenses to debate anyone who opposses his bill. So in other words, he is trying to push an unnecessary bill into law to prevent the teaching of a topic in Tennessee that is already against the law to teach, and he is trying to make a profit off of it. So yes, let’s all cheer him on and deride gay people for trying to indotrinate the youth of America by forcing their “lifestyle” into the schools rather than actually check a single fact about the law and see it for what it is: a smoke-screen to hide Senator Campfield’s lack of job performance.

    And to respond to some individual posts:

    Samurai1966 – Seriously, how does your rhetoric of putting down gay people have anything to do with God and country? Gay people are God’s children too. A true Christian would not be demeaning a group of people for any reason. And gay people are tax paying American citizens, just like you. Who are you to say that they deserve less rights than you and for what legal reason?

    Jay – You should learn the difference between homosexuals and pedophiles. They are radically different. Also, name calling is never productive in a debate. Offer something tangible and rationale to support your argument and support other people’s right to express their side of the argument as well. Plus, your “facts” about the gay agenda are laughable. You are quoting things from nearly 40 years ago? Who is it that made these statements? You are conveniently vague about that. I am a gay man and have never heard of any “gay agenda” nor have I ever believed in any of the things you describe nor does any other gay person I know. Perpetuating these types of stereotypes will only continue to drag everyone down, it solves nothing.

    Kodster5 – Most kids hit puberty around sixth grade. So under this law there are three years where kids may end up having questions. Kids who are having feelings about homosexuality will be left with no one to talk to since according to the law homosexuality cannot be discussed in any forum. So a teacher cannot direct a student to a counselor, because the counselor would be prohibited from talking to the student as well. If the child does not have a supportive environment at home, he or she may end up feeling lost, confused, and depressed and possibly consider suicide. So Mr. Cole’s argument is not so off-base.

    Marilyn Pyse – I don’t know where you work, but I hear heterosexuals talking about what they do in bed all the time. Turn on the TV and you can see it there too. The states that address homosexuality in their curriculum are not teaching kids about what to do sexually. They teach kids about diversity and tolerance.

    i41 – The current mandate on sex education in schools for most states is abstinence only. So if you believe that the high rate of pregnancy and STD’s are an issue, maybe it’s because many teenagers are not being educated about the dangers of unprotected sex and are not being offered any type of discussion on the matter at all. It is the same attitude that Senator Campfield is trying to push, if we ignore it and don’t talk about it, it won’t exist. Clearly it hasn’t worked with abstinence only sex education, and it won’t eliminate homosexuality either.

    And FYI to everyone – You cannot be turned or converted into being gay. You are either gay or you aren’t. Please keep that in mind when you disparage gay people.

    • newspooner

      Your last paragraph is very incorrect. Probably about 50% of all people who adopt a homosexual lifestyle are recruited or self-recruited. That is why the real activists are not satisfied with tolerance; they insist on approval.

      • Kevin

        You have some sort of scientific data to support how “50%” gay people are able to “recruit” someone who is attracted to women to all of a sudden be attracted to men? And can please explain to me how some one can “self-recruit” themselves?

        I was never recruited by anyone. I feel an emotional connection with men and a physical attraction to men. It is as simple as that.

        • Jay

          Kevin, since we are not privy to every experience you ever had since you were a child, and you have probably forgotten most of it, maybe even suppressed it, then there is no way for us or yourself to determine what was the catalyst that led you into that lifestyle. To say that you were born that way, is convenient at best, but it circumvents true analysis, at worst. The myth or mantra, I was born this way, is an assertion without scientific support, it is merely a belief, in my opinion!

          • 45caliber

            Jay:

            I agree. It is the same argument that some criminals try to use. “You MUST accept what I do since I can’t help it. I was born this way.”

          • Jay

            So true 45 caliber, the unscientific myth of genetic determinism to explain deviant behaviour will soon become a religion. It will include pretty much all questionable lifestyles and behaviour! Remember the Oracles, Evil prospers when fools say in their heart, there is no such thing as an Ultimate Reference, God!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Jay,
            It isn’t my fault I murdered 27 people, I was born that way!! besides the mean straight people made me do it!!!

          • Jay

            You got JoeH, what ever happened to holding oneself accountable for their actions, rather then using the weak argument of genetic determinism to excuse and absolve culpability? I strongly suspect that social darwinism all but killed conscience and critical thinking! What is the definition of hell? A life without God.

          • Kevin

            How is being gay anything like being a murderer? Murder is an act of violence against another person. Homosexuality is a state of being. The argument is extremely weak and it is sad that the three of you are congratulating each other as if you have said something clever.

          • Jay

            Are you not aware of the KILLER AIDS! Wake up and give your head a shake, you blind fool!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Jay,
            The very first case of AIDS in the US was caused by a gay flight attendant, male, thet liked to frequent the gay bath houses of San Fransisco because they were dark and his “partners” couldn’t see the sores on his body! Proven FACT!!! How many cases are there in the US now, kevin???

          • Jay

            JoeH, there are actual documented criminal cases, where people fully knowing they were infected with aids, engaged in sexual intercourse with unsuspecting partners.

            Dr Richard J. Schmidt, 19985,6: Richard Schmidt was a doctor from Louisiana, USA, who was accused of infecting his lover, a nurse called Janice Trahan, by injecting her with HIV infected blood. Trahan alleged that Schmidt had injected her with the blood of one of his positive patients in an act of vengeance after she tried to end their relationship. DNA samples of the virus in Trahan’s blood and that of the positive patient in question were found to be very similar, but Schmidt’s defence team insisted that ‘very similar’ was not scientifically accurate enough. HIV rapidly mutates and changes its DNA structure once it enters another person’s body meaning comparisons can be difficult. However, using a new technique called ‘ phylogenetics’ (or ‘evolutionary analysis’), scientists were able to determine that Schmidt’s patient was extremely likely to have been the source of the virus found in Trahan. Schmidt was found guilty and sentenced to 50 years.
            This was the first time that phylogenetics had been used in a criminal transmission trial, but it is now the standard way of determining the source of HIV infection in trials. Incidentally, phylogenetics was also used in the early 90s to determine the cause of infection of five patients treated by the HIV positive

            Florida dentist, Dr. David Acer. Acer died before any criminal charges were brought, but following testing, he was found to be the source of all five infections.

            Brian Stewart, December 19987: Stewart was a by-sexual medical technician from Illinois who was sentenced to life in prison after deliberately injecting his son with HIV infected blood, allegedly in an effort to kill him and avoid paying child support. He was found guilty after all other suggested sources for the boy’s infection were ruled out. On one occasion Stewart allegedly told the boy’s mother not to bother seeking child support because the child would not live beyond the age of five. On another, he told colleagues that he had “the power to destroy the world… I would inject them with something and they would never know what hit them.”

            Christophe Morat, June 20048: Morat was sentenced to six years in a French prison under legislation designed to be used in cases of poisoning (France has no specific anti-HIV transmission laws). He was found guilty of failing to disclose his status to two women, Isabelle and Aurore, both of whom subsequently became infected with HIV. Aurore later committed suicide and Morat’s appeal against his sentence was subsequently rejected. Isabelle is now a member of a major HIV action group known as Femmes Positives, whose mission is to get the French government to create a specific HIV transmission-related law that will give them the right to prosecute former lovers. The case, and the demands of Femmes Positives, has opened up a debate in France over whether HIV positive people should ever be divided into ‘victims’ and ‘criminals’ in the eyes of the law, or whether the conventional doctrine of ‘shared responsibility’ in contraception should remain. These are just a few of many!

          • Kevin

            Yes Jay, I am familiar with AIDS. Are you familiar with the fact that not all gay people have AIDS? Are you familiar with the fact that just because someone has AIDS that they are trying to infect everyone else with it? True there have cases of people knowingly trying to infect other people with HIV, but they are a small percentage of the people who have the virus. Also, not everyone who has HIV/AIDS contracted it through promiscuous sex. I know people who contracted it from their first boyfriend, who cheated on them. I know people who were raped and contracted it. You are generalizing people into a single category and using a terrible disease and trying to use it to push your ridiculous propaganda.

            Joe – That was the first documented case, not the first actual case. The flight attendant did not know he was spreading HIV, because the disease had not been classified at that time. Also, he did not have sores at the time that he was infecting many of these men. People with AIDS only develop lesions towards the later stages of AIDS, not when they are first infected.

            By the way, there are laws in place currently which mandate that people with HIV/AIDS must inform any potential sexual partners of their status prior to intercourse. Failure to do so would result in a felony charge.

            But back to the original point, you originally equated murder to homosexuality, not to the spread of AIDS. The majority of homosexuals do not have HIV/AIDS, so your comparison does not work.

        • Kate8

          Kevin – Teaching homosexuality in schools is now MANDATED in CA. They also are taught about all the gays who’ve had influence in American society, while they completely ignore the contributions of our Christian founders.

          They even have “Harvey Milk Day”, to celebrate a San Francisco official who was shot and killed some years ago (by a gay lover), where they observe a day of silence (April 16th)! The man did NOTHING of note except promote his gay agenda, and was, in fact a pervert who had engaged in pedophelia, as well.

          Do whatever you want, and leave the rest of us alone. The problem is, you gays aren’t content with EQUAL rights. You want PREFERENCIAL ones.

          • Kevin

            Jay – So your implication is that I was abused in some way but surpressed it? Or that I had a poor relationship with my father? Let me set you straight. I had a wonderful childhood. I was never abused and have amazing parents. I have two brothers who are both heterosexual, so I don’t think that something happened to just me alone to cause me to be different than they are. I know that I was born this way, because I am the only one who can truly know my own mind.

            Kate8 – Once again you are severly misinformed. There is a bill pending approval in California to add lessons about various gay Americans who have impacted the country. This is a far cry from teaching homosexuality and there is no provision in the bill indicating that the founding fathers should be ignored.

            Harvey Milk did quite a bit actually. He stood up against a homophobic culture that did not allow for gay people to keep employment, have insurance, or receive medical treatment. Also, Harvey Milk was not a pedophile. There has never been any indication that he ever had a relationship with any minors. The man who shot Harvey Milk was not his lover. He was a heterosexual who was also an elected official. He disagreed with Harvey on many issues and eventually had a mental breakdown. He claimed that eating Twinkies caused him to kill Harvey Milk. Sadly, he was acquitted on this defense. He died on November 27, not on April 16. The Day of Silence has nothing to do with Harvey Milk, it has to do with gay teens who are not allowed to have a voice due to bullying.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – Really? Then why do they call it “Harvey Milk Day”?

            And why should all of our children be forced, against parental outcry, to observe it?

            NONE OF THIS HAS ANY PLACE IN OUR SCHOOLS.

            BTW, IT IS mandated that homosexuality be taught in schools. I belong to several parental rights groups, and get multi-weekly updates.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – Harvey Milk was a predator of teen boys. This is not acknowledged by the agenda-driven media, but he was no hero. He was a pervert.

            http://savecalifornia.com/harvey-milk-day.html

          • Kevin

            Kate8 – I am a TEACHER! There is no mandate to teach homosexuality. I do not teach it, nor does any teacher at my school or in my district. I am friends with teachers in other states as well, some of whom are Christian. Their schools do not teach it either. And since it has been in the news lately that there is a bill in the legislature in CA regarding adding Gay History to the curriculum, it has not been mandated there yet either. I know this for a FACT. Once again, YOU ARE MISINFORMED.

            Harvey Milk Day is not the same as the Day of Silence. Harvey Milk Day is on May 22. The Day of Silence is on the second Friday every April. Once again, YOU ARE MISINFORMED.

            Your website is an anti-gay website. Perhaps you should try getting information from a non-partisan site, that way it would not be biased by either side. Just a suggestion.

          • Kate8

            Gee, Kevin. The only other sites I found were gay sites.

            I guess I could trust them more?

            Give me a break.

          • Kevin

            You must have looked really hard Kate. There are non-biased sites out there, my guess is that you didn’t look at all because you are more comfortable with believing what you want and judging people based on any information that supports your agenda.

          • Jay

            Kevin, you’re a TEACHER, I’m an ASTRONAUT.

          • Kevin

            Clearly your head is in outer space, Jay, so I believe that.

        • Jay

          Kevin, I was not implying that you were abused, nor that you had a poor relationship with your father. In order for me to suggest such, would preclude that I knew you, and every nuance and facet of your childhood, and up to the present. Of course, that is not the case. BTW, a child that has been abused and has experienced a dysfunctional relationship with their father, will not necessarily embrace the homosexual lifestyle, more then likely, he or she will engage in antisocial behaviour, such as criminal, but again, not all will, necessarily. In all fairness to you, the reason you are a homosexual may not be for the reason you believe, I was born this way, but the reason or reasons may be far more complex then you may be aware of! Are you sure you were “born that way”? And if so, how can you be absolutely sure, because you were told you were, “born that way”, by thepsychiatric and medical establishment, or because you know, not feel, for sure? What proof do you have besides feelings that you were born that way? To believe or feel that you were born that way, without concrete scientific proof, is nothing more then exercising blind faith! I’m sorry if this offends you, but regarding this issue, I need to see scientific proof, not just passion or confident statements, these, simply will not do!

          • Kevin

            What scientific proof do you have that I wasn’t? For many years the psychiatric and medical community claimed that they could “cure” homosexuality and failed. The end result was that a number of gay men and women were tortured, literally tortured, through medical experiments. I know who I am. You are making a number of assumptions about me, despite your claims. I am not a child, I am a 38 year old, well educated man. I didn’t one day just flippantly say, “I’m gay.” I struggled for many years to try to be the way society told me to be. It didn’t work. So while I may not have scientific proof, I do have the confidence and self esteem to know who I am and to not allow anyone to make me feel as if it is wrong.

          • Jay

            Kevin, since it was you, who made the assertion that you were born gay, the burden of proof, therefore, falls on you, not me! But as you just admitted, you have no scientific proof, but the conviction, that you were born gay. Since you have no scientific proof to support your assertion that you were born gay, but only a conviction, then your conviction is based, and can only be supported by, blind faith! Perhaps you may be more religious then you think!

          • Kate8

            Kevin – So, rather than having to deal with your own issues of guilt, and since you feel that you cannot change yourself, you think it’s your right to change society instead?

            Do you not see the weirdness here, forcing 97% of the population to conform to the desires and dictates of 3%?

            Is this not called the “tyranny of the minority”?

          • Kevin

            Jay – At what point did I say I wasn’t religious? You seem to assume that because I am gay that I am not religious. But your argument can’t go only one way. Science has not been able to determine what causes homosexuality yet, but it has documented that it does exist in nearly all species on the planet. Therefore, a logical conclusion is that it is not an accident or a matter of my failing to make a choice.

            Kate8 – I do not have any feelings of guilt. I am comfortable with who I am. Is it so unreasonable to expect society to accept all its members? Or since gay people are a minority is it ok to disrespect them and tell them that they need to change to fit in? Isn’t that what the country tried to do to African Americans? Didn’t seem right in that situation either. History will look back on this time as a time of shame when our country divided itself over nonsense. One day gay people will have the same rights as everyone else.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – We aren’t dealing with history. We are dealing with today.

            As far as I know, gays are accepted in society, and have been for quite some time. In fact, I didn’t think much about gays at all a few decades ago. Today I’m mad as h*ll at what they’re doing. If it’s acceptance you all want, you surely aren’t going about it well. Didn’t anyone ever tell you that there are some things you just can’t legislate?

            That is why you go after the children. They are impressionable.

            I also doubt that you have experienced that much discrimination. It just isn’t happening.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry Kevin, but they haven’t found a gay gene yet. In 1973, the APA stopped classifying gay as a mental disorder. Ergo, you are wrong on both points. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Kevin

            Gays are not accepted in society today. There has certainly been a great deal of change, but you are a fool if you think that there is no discrimination. And yes Kate, I have experienced discrimination and bigotry first hand. Once again, no one is going after children. There is only legislation in two states where teaching diversity lessons which include the mention of same sex parenting is included. That is hardly going after anyone.

            Samurai – What is your point? How does this answer anything? I have said this already myself. The discussion we were having was that nobody has been able to explain the cause of homosexuality at this point, but that it has been found in every species on the planet. Therefore, it is not an accident, it is part of God’s plan. I do not presume to know God’s plan. I simply accept myself for who I am.

          • http://naver samurai1966

            Kevin, the animal arguement doesn’t wash. We’ve heard that nonsense too many times on this site by other people. This has to do with you making a choice to be this way. You weren’t born this way, nor were you psychologically influenced to be this way, but you made a choice. Your choice, your life, your responsibility! As soon as you start taking responsibility for the choice you made in the past, then you’ll begin to make progress from that point on. You say you’re a teacher and live in the South? You don’t sound like someone from down South, as I have known many from the South. I knew a person whose name was “Kang” and he told me a bunch of BS also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Kevin

            So something that exists globally throughout all races and all species is something that all of these people and animals are choosing? And there is no other possible explanation?

            How should a person from the South sound? I didn’t realize that we all had to speak a certain way.

  • iceman47

    My,my, there are a bunch of you people that sound like someone else did starting back in the 1920′s. He started with banning the right to be Jewish. Then he told you what books to read. Then he tried to create a sterotype physical structure and tell you how many children you should have and with whom. You Bible thumpin’ zealots sure do sound alot like the despot who was directly responsible for the death of untold millions of people. It all starts when a group bans one thing or declares something to be illegal and demands that the whole of society must conform. So now it starts with the word gay and teaching children that there are people who are different from them. What’s next? Does someone who doesn’t like Italians or Irish try to ban saying Italian or Irish or teaching that these people are evil? If you ask me the people with the loudest voice in support of this issue are the ones to be feared.

    • newspooner

      Of course he did. This is because Schicklgruber was a communist.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        AND A JEW!!!!

    • JC

      Good Principle…wrong subject.
      Children need to be left alone to be children.
      It is not our Governments job to blow their minds with things they aren’t ready to know. It is not the governments job to dictate morality on any level. Only to enforce an accepted code of justice.

      • Kevin

        But you are dictating morality if you say that only certain topics can be taught in school! What does justice have to do with it?

        • JC

          Actually no, by advocating that if we must have an across the board, government mandated, compelled compliance education system run by bureaucrats who threw the rest of us overboard 30 years ago…
          That they teach the academics and gymnasium abd “how” to think, not “what” to think.

          If it’s a childs natural inclination to be repelled by what seems unnatural to him…by what moral code are you licensed to force that child to think differently?

          I don’t think you’re qualified (yet) to question my morality.

          • Kevin

            What makes you qualified to question mine? You can’t teach a child how to think by only telling them half of a story or by pretending that things don’t exist. Children need to learn how to think by being able to make choices and process information on their own.

          • JC

            I don’t believe I questioned your morals dear. ;)
            But you really should keep your perverted lifestyle to yourself…because it really should be a private matter anyway…IF you had any class or taste at all, that is…

          • Kevin

            So by calling be a pervert and saying I have no class or taste and telling be that I am against God and Nature’s plan you are not judging me or questioning my morality? Really?

          • Cawmun Cents

            Lets not use the term perversion.Just stick to deviation.Lets not make it a moral issue but one of design.He claims that this behavior is seen in the animal kingdom.It is possible that,considering animals cannot perceive rationality on the level of hunanity,that this deviation occurs even in the animal kingdom.But notice that unlike humans who seperate themselves into ethnic and cultural groups,animals who engage in this type of behavior,have not evolved to have seperate societies of deviant individuals.In fact if they had it would be scientifically questionable as to whether these seperate deviations would have survived(natural selection would rule this out as evolutionary).Now you can establish this scientific assessment on the fact that it is truly deviant behavior,not normal behavior.What would then make it any different when bringing human beings into the subject?The answer is nothing.There is no difeerence in the fact that physiologically mammals are specifically designed to fit togather as opposite sexes.There can be room for no deviation and have natural selectory implications inherent in the species.Thus it would not be scientifically plausible for something to be”born”that way.It is and always has been a matter of choice,unless you propose that scientifically,there are now 4 differing sexes in the human species.A fact which cannot be established under current scientific standards.Therefore the argument of having dubious sexuality at birth excepting physical malformation and physiological design,has no real merit.Everyone is born to be either male,or female and is made for the opposite sex when it comes to design.Any other way of observational discourse would be a matter of opinion,and deviational standards.

          • JC

            Kevin says:

            April 29, 2011 at 8:35 am

            So by calling be a pervert and saying I have no class or taste and telling be that I am against God and Nature’s plan you are not judging me or questioning my morality? Really?
            ______________________________________________________________________

            Um, No! I don’t give a damn about your morality or what gets you off.
            I’m just saying that putting it on display is an act of tastelessness.
            And it is, no matter who does it.

          • Karolyn

            Children are not “naturally repelled;” they are taught how.

          • JC

            Karolyn says:
            April 29, 2011 at 7:41 pm
            Children are not “naturally repelled;” they are taught how.
            __________________________________________________________________

            Really Karolyn? So if they are uncomfortable with the “touch” of an uncle or step father pervert…that isn’t natural? they must be taught that it is wrong?

            You get a little spinnier everyday…
            And prove over and over that Liberals are incapable of conclusive rational thought.

          • Kevin

            JC – You are referring to being molested by an adult. Karolyn was referring to homosexuality. You do know that there is an enormous difference right? Seems like you are the one trying to spin things.

  • Bill

    I think you are all missing the real issue.
    The question should be: Should the government be involved in children’s (or adult) education in the first place? When some institution has a monoply or near monooply on something they then have the power to dictate anything that they want and the power to force it upon everyone else. Freedom in this country was never meant to be free to do something to others against their will. That’s why the U.S constitution was enacted. In a democracy a majority may gang up on a minority. A majority may even vote to send a minority to death camps and gas chambers. The tyranny of a majority can be just as cruel as the tyranny of a signle dictator, depending on the degree of enlightenment or stupidity of the voting majority.

    Persons bearing children should, if they want to, be free to educate their offspring any way they please and not have education dictated to them by a majority of the people or any institution. It there is a demand for education then the people would determine that and act accordingly in seeing that they are educated and having their offspring educated. If there is a demand for government institution “educational” programs, why do children have to be forced to attend it and why are parents punished for not sending their children to “school”? A 12 year sentence does not guarantee that someone will be educated. Lawrence Welk, highly successful music business man, could only tolerate up to a forth grade institutional education that was forced upon him. After the fourth grade everything else is rehabilitation. It is only possible to have ones children educated the way they want when parents have many competing schools or individuals to choose from when seeking out education for their children, or themself. And of course their should be no provision for education your children at the expense of the state or anyone else. You borne the children, and it is you who should take responsibility for them to be educated.

    • Jeff in OH

      Freedom is the right for me to send my child to school knowing there not be taught homosexuality. If those teachers want to teach homo stuff, let them teach it to there own adopted kids… NOT MINE!!!!

      • Jesus Sucks Dick

        Way to go redneck bigots! You’ve made the rest of the world laugh at your pathetic asses AGAIN!

        • Kate8

          JSD – You use a moniker like that, and dare to call others BIGOTS?

          You are one disgusting SOB, and I pity you, because you will called to account for your pathetic display of mockery.

          I dare you to say the same thing about say…Mohammad.

          • Jay

            Kate8, Jeff and JC, careful, this lunatic is just trying to exasperate you! For it is obvious by his username and the comment that he made, that he is exasperated with us for being critical of his lifestyle. His tactic is clearly to goad and infuriate you to the point of emotionalism, where you therefore loose the battle of wits! Keep calm, and remember, although his username and his comments are clearly offensive, what we are really dealing with here, is an emotional, out of control and seriously angry individual who has clearly lost the capacity to think. Don’t let him and people like him drag you into an emotional exchange! Just keep feeding them logic and sound argumentation. Cheers!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            kate8,
            Calm down, friend. This is obviously some 15 year old pimple faced weird kid that probably lives in mommys and daddys basement and feels more important by trying, and miserably failing, to shock the adults!!!

        • Jeff in OH

          Point and case: Another Looser!!!

        • JC

          Hold still JSD…there’s a little bit of a cross wind and I don’t want you to suffer.

          • Kate8

            JSD – When you have no valid argument, ATTACK!

        • JC

          Actually I should apologize for that semi threatening comment.
          Even slimey little low live’s like you have a right to life…
          However depraved.

        • Jay

          JSD, Jesus loves you this i know, for the Bible tells me so!!!

        • Jay

          You assume when you say the rest of the world. Truth is, its just you…

        • http://naver samurai1966

          This is just some moron that found this site. He’s probably only here one time then he’ll leave. What a waste of time and skin. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          P.S. Keep doing dumb thing like this JSD, and Jesus is going to walk up behind you and give a good slap on the back of your head.

    • 45caliber

      There are basic things a child should learn – reading, writing, simple math skills like balancing a checkbook, basic sciences, and history at the least.

      And there are people who would not bother to teach these things if it wasn’t required. But, by and large, all SOCIAL items should be taught by the parents. Even if the parents don’t bother to teach them, the kids will generally be better off to learn them at the age that society teaches them rather than learn them through government mandated programs at schools at a far younger age.

      • Kevin

        You are making the assumption that all parents have the social skills to teach their children properly.

        • Jay

          Kevin, By that statement you just made, “you are making the assumption that all parents have the social skills to teach their children properly”. Conversely, you Kevin, are making the assumption that most parents don’t have the social skills to teach their children properly.

          • JC

            And either way, it’s still none of the governments business.

          • Kevin

            Actually you are making that assumption. My statement indicates that it is not a total, it does not indicate a majority. You are saying that. But the reality is that there are a number of parents who are not equipped to prepare their children socially, so who can do it? I am not suggesting some radical social lessons, but exposure to different ideas is important in order to create well rounded adults capable of making decisions. The education you all seem to be advocating would eliminate all choices but one, yours.

          • Jay

            Kevin, you just contradicted yourself!

          • JC

            Kevin says:
            April 28, 2011 at 6:17 pm
            ….I am not suggesting some radical social lessons, but exposure to different ideas is important ….

            _________________________________________________________________

            All of us are exposed to “different ideas” as we go through our journey’s in life. It is NOT the Governments JOB to teach sex education to our children. You obviously have an agenda to push Kevin.
            Because you are actually a little bit irrational in your persistence that “everybody should accept you”. Guess what! Ain’t happening no matter what yours or anyone’s else’s issues are. Nobody “has” to like you, get over it.

  • Freddie

    Gays are the extreme minority in our country. I do applaud their effort to have a normal life in society. However, I disagree with their orientation and I do not believe we need to educate our children about homosexuality, specifically that it is “okay” behavior. This small society pushed for our military to accept gays and that was a wrong decision. The military is expected to be a cut above society with higher expectations. If the military is brought down to the level of society, how can there be any higher expectations? There cannot be. I do have empathy for gays in that they face struggles in society by the confusion of their sexual orientation. Teaching young children it is okay to be gay is not acceptable. I love my best friend, however, I love him like a brother and not a lover.

    • James in NY

      AN overwhelming majority of all Americans supported the end of the very un-American DADT policy. The military should be the most AMerican of all of our institutions. Segregration in the military was found to be wrong. Recent polls now show a majority of Americans now favor marriage equality. People are born gay. Accept that. There is nothing wrong with kids being aware of reality. There are many children of gay parents out there.

      • 45caliber

        If I thought an “overwhelming” majority of the people were in favor I wouldn’t say a word against repeal. However, there is no ‘overwhelming’ majority except in liberal and gay pipe dreams.

        Approximately 75% of the people and the military are against it despite some officers who are in favor of it. Does open gayness increase the abilities of the military? Not any more than open straight sex does. I’d get as upset to see and hear a straight couple having sex openly as I would a gay couple. But … there are those who do want open sex in both groups. Many gays want it to be open so they can proposition any person they see without fear of retribution. If someone was to proposition me (and some have) I simply state that I’m not interested. If they leave it at that, I couldn’t care less. BUT many don’t want to leave it at that. And I get annoyed when someone won’t leave it alone and keeps harrassing me about it. THAT is what many of the homosexuals want – the ability to harrass without any action being allowed to stop them.

        I feel sorry for some of those gays presently in the military. They are discovered and kicked out. The media loves that because they can use it as a defense to get rid of DADT. The service people don’t care about those people. But if you want to screw up a unit in a hurry bring in someone who doesn’t want to live that way.

        Too many vocal gay people don’t consider the military as a security force for our nation. They consider it as a sex club. Those people shouldn’t be allowed in to mess up a unit’s morale – and those are the very people who insist that DADT be repealed.

        What is sad is that it is quite likely that those very same people will get themselves and all the other gays killed in combat zones. But they won’t admit that to themselves. The others won’t shoot them; they just won’t bother to defend them.

      • Jay

        James in NY, You sound like a dictatorial despot when you say, ” people are born gay, except that”! Hail Hitler!

        • Kevin

          How is his statement anything like a dictatorial despot? He is stating his opinion with passion, just as you have done. And under no circumstance should you bring Hitler into the debate. That is in poor taste.

          • Jay

            Under no circumstances should I bring Hitler into any discussion? On the contrary, Hitler should be brought into every discussion since his model of mass indoctrination of the masses for the purpose to commit genocide on a massive scale, is being applied by the social engineers of our day!

          • Kevin

            That is the most pathetic argument yet. So now the gay community is like Hitler? You are aware that Hitler was killing homosexuals too right? Mass indoctrination? Isn’t it the people trying to wipe out homosexuality who are trying to accomplish this? Gay people don’t want everyone else to be gay. That would be idiotic.

          • Jay

            Kevin, I didn’t single out any group . Yes, you are right, Hitler didn’t discriminate and neither will the new regime!

          • Kevin

            What regime is that Jay? Who is the boogeyman who is coming to destroy us all?

          • JC

            Kevin, if you get your head out from under the covers…you may become aware of a Globalist movement designed to enslave us all.

          • Kevin

            And again, who is leading this Globalist movement? I just want to know so that I can be prepared when the revolution starts.

          • JC

            Kevin says:

            April 29, 2011 at 8:37 am

            And again, who is leading this Globalist movement? I just want to know so that I can be prepared when the revolution starts.
            ____________________________________________________________________
            Are you serious?

          • Kate8

            Kevin – Your extreme ignorance is showing. The globalist movement is no longer hidden. It is now openly admitted to by world leaders.

            Your scope of focus is far too narrow. Wake up. It’s 2011.

          • Kevin

            And your paranoia is astounding Kate8. I notice that once again you avoid answering the question of who is behind this “Globalist Movement” to destroy the world.

          • Kevin

            I have looked up this “Globalist Movement.” It makes me sad to think that any of you actually believe that this could happen. Perhaps if you stopped looking under the bed for monsters, you might see the real world and be able to enjoy it.

          • JC

            Kevin says:

            April 29, 2011 at 1:08 pm

            I have looked up this “Globalist Movement.” It makes me sad to think that any of you actually believe that this could happen. Perhaps if you stopped looking under the bed for monsters, you might see the real world and be able to enjoy it.
            _____________________________________________________________________-

            We are seeing the real workd dear boy…
            Do you really think you can soak up year’s of observation and research with oned quick browse through google?
            How naieve…

            It’s that sort of thinking that allows this viscous movement that intends to kill most of us…to proceed.

            Just for fun though….look up FEMA Camps….read absolutely everything you can find on them, and then ask yourself…what are they for?

            Mind you it helps to know some history so you can correlate what you read.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – What is sad is that you are so enmeshed in this Leftist movement that you can’t see through the smoke and mirrors.

            The globalists have been leading up to this for centuries, their NWO. America is now being collapsed, as we have been the only nation that stood in their way. So they had to take us over.

            The current group is made up primarily of European banksters. They own, corporately, nearly every world corporation, which has been absorbing smaller ones, and nearly every government. They have used the US to accomplish their purposes through false flag events as pretexts to going to war over fake causes. They now control virtually all US politicians, who do their bidding in open defiance of the American people.

            There is so much more. Too much to try to explain to someone who has his head up his hindquarters anyway.

            If you want to know you will seek it out. Like was said, many of us have been at this for years, even decades, and cannot sum it all up in 100 words or less.

          • Kevin

            What is sad is that you actually are paranoid enough to believe this crap. There will never be a world state, so I will not waste my time worrying that there is a conspiratorial cabal who has taken over our government trying to make it happen.

      • http://naver samurai1966

        Too much lib kool aid. Can’t you post a source, facts, and stop with the worn out, not able to be proven true, liberal lies? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Kevin

          What lies have I told? What facts would you like? Perhaps you can provide some facts to support your statements?

  • Jeff in OH

    There shouldn’t be any Queer teachers in the first place to talk about sodomites to the children. Only hire straight (real) teachers and problem solved…..

    • Kevin

      And how do you propose to verify someone’s sexuality? Do they have to have sex with someone of the opposite gender in front of you? Thank you for your thought provoking input to the discussion.

      • Kate8

        Kevin – A PERSON’S SEXUALITY WOULDN’T EVEN BE AN ISSUE IF YOU GAYS WOULDN’T KEEP SHOVING IT IN OUR FACES.

        • Kevin

          Again, please define “shoving it in my face.” By chastising a posting referring to “queer teachers,sodomites” and saying “only straight (real) teachers should be in the classroom” I am shoving my lifestyle in your face? So you don’t have an issue with someone using derogatory slurs and stating that homosexuals shouldn’t even be allowed to teach, but if I defend myself, that’s offensive to you? Really?

          • Jeff in OH

            Yep, It’s defensive to me. Grow up and get a life looser, you and your boyfriend or whatever you people call them now days. It’s simply against the laws of nature. The same law that say thou shalt not kill. you know, those real laws, not the ones humans make…

          • Kate8

            Kevin – There are slurs coming from both side of the equation. So what. Live with it. Christians do every day.

            Ever hear of sticks and stones? No one has the right not to be offended. You don’t like what someone says? Ignore it. Go elsewhere. Do what you need to do. No one is special.

            When I say “shoving it in our faces”, I’m referring to the whole gay movement. It’s everywhere. It’s being pushed on us from everywhere. You can’t turn on the TV without seeing displays of homosexuality, which many of us DO find offensive.

            The entire Leftist agenda is to dissolve every aspect of our traditional moral culture. It is to turn our children into Leftist clones, without any type of moral or ethical hindrance. It is a huge slap in the face to all Americans who “cling to their religion”, and oh, how the Left is relishing breaking the hearts of those parents.

            You remind me of a cross-dresser I knew once. He wore women’s clothes, and then got upset when people stared at him. Yet, why display your deviance in public except to get attention?

        • 45caliber

          I don’t believe that any teachers should talk about sex at all in school. I don’t care which way they swing. It’s the ones who do that get the kids going the wrong directions. And demanding that the teachers talk about sex is totally wrong.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            45caliber,
            yup, look at how the number of teacher/student molestations has skyrocketed as of late!! Three of them in the Cleveland area in the last year!!

          • Kevin

            Most instances of teacher/student molestation involve female teachers and male students. Not a gay issue.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Really?? check out the stats for the Cleveland area as two of those were a male teacher with both boys and girls!!!

          • Kevin

            I didn’t say that it didn’t happen, I said the majority of cases do not involve a teacher having sex or molesting a student of the same gender.

    • Jay

      Jeff in OH says: There shouldn’t be any Queer teachers in the first place to talk about sodomites to the children.

      Yes Jeff, I agree, for the obvious reason that the homosexual teacher would no doubt be biased. However, I wouldn’t necessarily be against it if they were to include the ugly side of the homosexual lifestyle! But that ain’t gonna happen! Such as:

      An aproximate of 3 million people die of AIDS every year and an aproximate of 8,500 people die of AIDS Everyday!

      According to an article by the North-South Institute on HIV/AIDS and Development, somewhere between five and six people die per minute from aids.

      Worldwide: UNAIDS estimates that as of December 2000, there were an estimated 36.1 million people living with HIV/AIDS (34.7 million adults and 1.4 million children under 15). Since the epidemic began, an estimated 21.8 million people have died of AIDS (17.5 million adults and 4.3 million children under 15).
      An estimated 5.3 million new HIV infections occurred in 2000. During 2000, HIV- and AIDS-associated illnesses caused deaths of an estimated 3 million people, including 500,000 children under the age of 15.
      In the United States: According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there are between 800,000 and 900,000 people living with HIV. Through December 2000, a total of 774,467 cases of AIDS have been reported to the CDC; of this number, 448,060 persons (representing 58% of cases) have died.

      • Jay

        Would a homosexual teacher, teaching our kids present to the kids the ugly side of the homosexual lifestyle and mentality? Such as this:

        Gay activists in South Africa have vowed to “flood” the country’s blood services with blood donated by gay men.This follows an announcement by the South African National Blood Services that it would not accept donations from men who have sex with men.

        The Gay and Lesbian Alliance says its members would lie when asked the question: “Have you had male-to-male sex in the past five years?”

        The Alliance claims members have already donated 120 units of blood.
        It aims to flood the blood services with 70,000 units.

        ‘Offensive’
        Alliance spokesman Juan Uys describes the question as “humiliating, offensive and an insult to gay men”. He says all blood should be treated equally.

        He says the SANBS has already admitted that it uses state-of the art equipment that ensures rigorous screening of donated blood, and therefore they should accept the blood from men who sleep with other men and subject it to the tests.

        Mr Uys said the question of risk of HIV infection was no reason to discriminate against gay men.
        He says if people were discriminated against based on risk, then South African women between the ages of 18 and 24 should not be allowed to donate, as research shows that they are the group with the highest HIV infection rate in the country.

        Presidential row
        But the SANBS has described the Alliance campaign as “unfortunate”.
        Spokeswoman Lanthe Exall says screening procedures are based on World Health Organisation guidelines.

        She urged the Alliance to reconsider its actions, which she said posed a risk to the lives of patients needing transfusions.

        It is not clear what will happen to blood donated on Friday, as the SANBS will be unable to tell which blood came from Alliance members who lied.

        Ms Exall says though they do have the best testing systems in place, no machine in the world can detect the HI virus during the “window period” that follows the transmission of HIV.
        It is not the first time that the SANBS has been hit by controversy.

        Last year it was forced to change its screening procedures when it was revealed that they destroyed blood donated by black people, because it claimed they were at a high risk of HIV infection.
        It emerged that President Thabo Mbeki’s blood was destroyed because he was black and because his doctor had refused to complete the personal history questionnaire used to screen donors.

        Mr Mbeki donated blood as part of a publicity campaign to persuade people to donate blood.

        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4610196.stm

        • Kevin

          Ok, let’s be clear on a few things. First, Jeff in OH – You should not speak. You have spouted nothing but hateful and ignorant things and your spelling and grammar makes you sound even worse. Second, Jay – You seem to assume that a lot of gay teachers are out to corrupt the youth of America. Let me clear up a few things for you. Gay teachers are not allowed to discuss their sexual orientation with students, ever. Hypocritically, heterosexual teachers tell students stories about their private lives with their spouses all the time. I have heard a few which I have considered to be quite inappropriate for students to hear. While I am sure that there are gay teachers who abuse their position and push their own beliefs onto their students, this is not the majority. Their are heterosexual teachers who do the same. There is a teacher at my school who refused to teach his class evolution because he did not believe in it, even though the students would have to answer questions about it on the state exam. Another teacher told students that an author whose books we read was a fag and only wrote about fags. When I reported this, nothing happened by the way. Also, the book had nothing to do with homosexuality. Teachers do not teach in a bubble. There is a system of checks and balances to make sure that teachers are not going rogue. As for your propagandistic tangent about blood donations, yes there have been gay people who have donated blood without declaring that they were gay. I do not agree with this and neither do the majority of gay people. However, the ban on gay men donating blood is another example of an biased law. The majority of gay men do not have AIDS and do not engage in promiscuous sex or unprotected sex. Blood screenings will catch the majority of HIV infected blood. In rare instances blood will be donated in the window period when the virus is undetectable. However, it takes more than one factor to transmit HIV. Viral loads and CD4 levels must also be at a certain stage to pose a risk. The point is that having a blanket ban against gay people is not right. Drug users donate blood, are we going under the assumption that they are going to be honest? Heterosexual men and women can have AIDS too. What if they donate within the window period? You seem to make a lot of generalizations and then pass them off as the gospel truth.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Kevin,
            how predictable for you to say that the only thing you reported was a slur to gays when you also could have reported the conversations about the teachers spouses!! Sounds like an agenda to me!!

          • Kevin

            I did report them Joe, no one cared.

  • Jeff in OH

    If your of the filthy and creepy mindset of a homosexual, than please keep your filth to your selves. Good people Don’t want to share in inconsiderate babel of your hate-rid for them… Get Back In The Closet…

    • Kevin

      Yes, because between the two of us, my postings demonstrate hatred. Perhaps you should have paid more attention in school and learned proper spelling and grammar. Also, I don’t know too many “good people” who hurl slurs and threaten people.

      • Jeff in OH

        Why, so they could turn me into a homo like you? I think It’s great what Tennessee is doing, I thought I told you you are ban from reading my post…

        • Kate8

          Jeff in OH – You are not helping. What you are doing is no better than what the Left is doing.

          Most of us do not condemn anyone. We just want to be left free to preserve our values and to instill them in our children. We don’t want to be socially engineered, or in any way told what to think, what to do, how to act.

          We just want to be left in peace.

          • Kate8

            Jeff – Unless, of course, you are a Leftist plant and are here to try to make us look bad.

  • ONTIME

    I think it’s about time to get back to teaching American history, civics and allowing moral teaching to become a part of the curriculum, we have managed to obscure the reason for school and made it into a brainwashing course instead of one that makes you weigh the information to draw a conclusion.

    • Kevin

      Yes and clearly the way to do that is to make it illegal to talk about the other side of the issue.

      • Kate8

        Gee, Kevin. That is exactly what the Left is doing.

        • Kevin

          Really? What laws have been passed which have limited middle class white heterosexual America? I must have missed them.

          • Kate8

            kevin – The Left is passing all kinds of laws to silence conservative and Christian America.

            You know that is true.

            You are of a protected class now, you know. Crimes against conservative white folks is a-okay. Crimes against gays and minorities are “hate crimes”, with much more severe penalties.

          • Kevin

            Name one of these laws that have been passed which have taken away your rights Kate. Name the law that says that its ok to harm white Christian people. While I think that hate crime laws have been abused, I can see the necessity for them in certain circumstances.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – Cases have been coming before the courts for years, where Christians have been arrested for praying in public. People have been harrassed and forbidden to hold prayer meetings and Bible studies in their own homes! Kids have been suspended from school for doint Christian art and writings. (Don’t bother denying this. The cases have been in the news.) Military chaplains have been forbidden to pray in Jesus Name, and soldiers have been discouraged from practicing their Christian faith (while Muslims have been given prayer rooms and special privilege).

            Maybe, thus far, it’s more by intimidation than by law, although that is coming about, too. There is no question that Chrisians are being persecuted more and more.

            And sexual deviance is being promoted to protected status.

          • Kevin

            Kate8 – Not one of those things is true and you know it! If you want to make a BS claim like that you will need to provide an actual, specific example. There are no laws prohibiting Christianity. Prayer is not allowed in schools, from any religion, nor is it allowed to teach a specific religion on its own in schools. Outside of that you are living in a world of lies and hypocrisy. You claim to be a Christian, yet you are full of hate, judgement, and condemnation. Please provide the law that has been enacted regarding any of these supposed arrests. Otherwise, you are full of crap.

          • Kate8

            Getting a bit testy, now, aren’t we?

            Whatever you say, Kevin. Keep your head in the sand.

            You liberals are all the same. If it’s not reported in the MSM, it isn’t happening.

            You could check out the ACLJ website. They represent the defendants in many of these cases. Otherwise, just keep on whistling Dixie down the primrose path. The truth is just to big for you.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Kevin,
            Why should there be special laws protecting gays from battery? We have laws against it! Murder? We already have perfectly good laws on the books against murder of ANYBODY! Hate crimes? Oh, now we are going to predict what a person is thinking?? What if a gay says I hate you, you straight ba$tard! And shoots someone? Isn’t that just as much a hate crime as the opposite? Get off your soapbox and just LIVE YOUR LIFE!!! Leave the rest of us ALONE!!! You guys want to mess with someone’s kids minds? Find a way that the TWO of YOU can procreate and then work on your ruggers little mind and leave ours alone!!!

          • JC

            Kevin says:
            April 28, 2011 at 7:15 pm
            Really? What laws have been passed which have limited middle class white heterosexual America? I must have missed them.
            _______________________________________________________________

            Everything to do with guns, property, taxation, sovereignty and free speech is being gradually limited one little law at a time.
            We’re a “Multi-Cultural Paradise” now and America is dying…see how that works?

          • Kevin

            Kate – You are one to talk. You can’t look at anything that doesn’t come out of your conservative news sites. By the way, I try to look at other sources, which is one of the reasons I checked out this site.

            Joe – If a gay man shoots a straight man for no other reason than the fact that the man is straight, then yes, that is a hate crime as well. You don’t need to predict behavior, there would be evidence to demonstrate the motive for the crime was based on hating a particular trait.

            JC – There should be laws limiting gun ownership. There are far too many morons with the power to kill in this country. However, none of those laws have anything to do with pressure from the gay community.

  • 45caliber

    We need to teach the basics in school and leave everything else alone. Period.

    • JC

      Academics.
      They’re supposed to be taught how to think, not what to think.

      • Kevin

        So the best way to get kids to think is to present them with only one point of view? To pretend that groups of people don’t exist? This bill is eliminating kids’ ability to think for themselves and is telling them what to think.

        • Kate8

          Kevin – What do you think schools are doing? Presenting only the Leftist point of view!

          Personally, I prefer my kids NOT to have gay teachers. I also prefer that they NOT have Leftist teachers. That, in itself, sets an example. (No wonder you are so defensive about the gay/pedophile issue.) I have a right to feel that way, out of protection for my kids.

          That is why we don’t send our kids to public schools in my family.

          • Kevin

            Wrong again Kate. Schools do teach both points of view. There is a mixture of conservative and liberal teachers at my school. Personal politics should not be entering a teachers lessons, however. I don’t bring up homosexuality with my students, nor do I address any of my other personal beliefs. Whatever topic we are discussing I present my students with a set of facts and we discuss different ways to analyze those facts. I do not tell students that they are wrong, so long as they can back up their statements with facts. That is how you get kids to think. The sad thing is that many of the students I get come into class simply asking for the answer, because the school system under Bush’s programs only required kids to know a specific set of answers to pass a state test. No thinking required, just memorization.

            And your inablitiy to separate gay people from pedophiles is getting really old.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – Uh oh! There goes the Bush card!

            No matter what you say, you promote a Leftist viewpoint. Don’t bother denying it. The whole public school system is geared Leftist.

            And you, dear, are becoming tiresome to me, as well.

          • Kevin

            Do you know any other words besides Leftist or Gay Agenda? The No Child Left Behind program was based rewarding or punishing schools based on student performance on standardized tests. This is a fact. You can look it up and verify it. I have not indicated that the Obama administration has done anything to improve the education system. I agree the system needs to change and there are some changed occuring which are positive and have the interests of the CHILDREN in mind, not the interests of any other group.

            I’m sorry that you find it tiresome to have someone disagree with your idea that everyone should be just like you, but we all have our crosses to bear don’t we?

          • Kate8

            Kevin – I am no fan of Bush. All politicians are sold out to the same masters, and are leading us in the same direction, no matter what they say.

        • JC

          The best way to get kids to think, Kevin? Did you really say that?
          I don’t know if you’ve ever actually met any children but you may be surpised to find out that they already do think.

          We don’t have to “get them to think”. We need to teach them the facts of history, mathematics, geography, science, languages, sports, the arts, responsibility, their rights as Americans…and wherever beyond that they go, will be up to them as free Americans.

          But what you really mean is
          “The best way to get them to think…the way I want them to”

          • Kevin

            JC I am a high school teacher, so I think I know what I am talking about. Kids today have a lot of issues with being able to analyze information. They simply want to be told an answer and that’s it. Now this is not all kids, naturally, but it is an alarming amount of them. I do not teach my point of view, I teach the curriculum as that is my job. I have no problem with people disagreeing with my point of view, so long as they are willing to have a reasonable and intelligent discussion about it and can back up their ideas with some facts, not just myths and fears.

          • JC

            Kevin says:

            April 29, 2011 at 7:07 am

            JC I am a high school teacher, so I think I know what I am talking about. Kids today have a lot of issues with being able to analyze information. They simply want to be told an answer and that’s it. Now this is not all kids, naturally, but it is an alarming amount of them.
            _____________________________________________________________

            Gee could it have anything to do with the confusion caused in their little minds when they are put on Ritalin, lied to about history and taught by homosexuals?
            YOU are a huge part of the problem….We need schools and actual teachers…not indoctrinators such as yourself.

            No wonder people want their kids out of the public indoctrination system.

          • Kevin

            I have not put any children on Ritalin, the only history I teach is what is relevant to the novel we are reading, and I don’t teach my students about homosexuality. I don’t even tell my students I am gay as my life is none of their business. Maybe you should spread that message to the heterosexual teachers who seem to feel free to talk about their marriages and to talk about religion in the classrooms too, even though that is not allowed. And since the majority of cases of teachers having sex with students involve male teachers and female students or female teachers with male students, I think there may be some issues there as well. But protecting kids from the mere mention of homosexuality is clearly a more pressing issue.

            Only two states are currently teaching diversity lessons with mention of homosexuality in them. One of them is ranked #3 in the nation for its education system. The rest of the states do not teach homosexuality. So who do you want to blame for those problems?

          • JC

            Kevin says:

            April 29, 2011 at 8:45 am

            I have not put any children on Ritalin, the only history I teach is what is relevant to the novel we are reading, and I don’t teach my students about homosexuality. I don’t even tell my students I am gay as my life is none of their business.
            ______________________________________________________________
            Alright, I can hold a little respect for that…
            And for the record, not against your particular life style.
            If and when you lead a life like everyone else, your private matters are exactly that…private.
            I have had gay people literally screaming at me about their rights though, and it was an act of self control that kept them out of the hospital. I find them offensive.

            Fact is, if it isn’t an act of criminal aggression, I really don’t care what other people do.

        • crystal

          Well Kevin, before they even think about teaching homosexuality they should go back to teaching Math, Science, History, Geography, Language Arts (English for some), Penmanship, Music, Art, etc. They passed mandatory homosexuality in the schools here in California, but what did you expect from a blue state who’s education ranks 49th in the country.

          • Jay

            But Crystal, as far as applying a condom correctly they rank number 1. The glass/brain is half full. One must look at bright side!

          • Kevin

            Actually Jay, most states mandate an abstinence only sex ed policy, so kids don’t know how to use condoms. Hence the high pregnancy and STD rates. I don’t agree with teaching kids about sex, I do think that kids should be made aware of the risks and how to protect themselves though.

          • Kevin

            Actually it is not mandatory in California yet. The bill has passed the Senate, but has not been signed by the governor yet. Some schools in California have begun introducing lessons about Gay history and diversity. So far I have not heard of a rise in instances of children becoming gay or the state of California falling into the sea. Massachussets has been teaching diversity for a few years now, no issues there either, they are ranked 3rd in the nation. By the way, California schools are not ranked 49th in the country, they are actually 30th.

          • Jay

            As for me, I have begun to do what millions of American parents are presently doing, homeschooling my children! I find the education system to be far to dangerous a place for children. Besides, we have at our disposal, sophisticated and interactive technology where we can access educational tools, or curriculum, to teach our children, and that, in the comfort and safety of their homes. What need is there, therefore, of schools and educators? Educators have become nothing more then obedient and dutiful puppets of the left wing socialist regime, proficient in perverse socialist and homosexual double-speak, enemies of the family institution, enemies of free speech, enemies of freedom, and though they claim to be in the business of teaching our children awareness, tolerance and diversity, closer to the truth, they are indoctrinating and brainwashing children in the socialist and homosexual propaganda ! They and the educational system can longer be trusted! Parents, protect your children!!!

          • Kevin

            Well that will help to solve the problem in schools, walk away and pretend they don’t exist.

          • Jay

            I say shut down the cesspools you call schools or give the system a blood transfusion!

      • Jay

        You made an accurate and a very important distinction, JC!

  • Freddie

    If the overwhelming majority of Americans wanted DADT repealed, they should have been of the overwhelming minority of Americans that served.

  • http://aol wayne a

    teaching about gays or gay rights has no place in the schools.how can they try to take God and religion out of schools then try to teach about gays.NO WAY!!!!

  • http://no carl

    thats right wayne! let the parents talk to there kids not the DAM teacher you know it is comeing from a leftwing nut to try this in the frist place.

    • Kevin

      As long as you aren’t the one to teach your kids how to spell, Carl.

  • newspooner

    Can anyone report the statistics concerning the known pedophile Catholic priests in recent years? What percentage were heterosexual, and what percentage were homosexual?

    • Kevin

      What do Catholic priests or pedophiles have to do with anything? This is supposed to be about passing a law preventing the mention of homosexuality in any form.

      • Jay

        Should the law be overturned, and, should homosexuality be allowed to be taught in the name of awareness and tolerance and diversity, tell me, who, do you feel, would best be qualified to teach this subject?

        • Kevin

          The teachers who are already there, Jay. Why would we need someone else to do it?

          • Jay

            What makes you think that they are qualified? Because they’re teachers?

  • http://com i41

    kevin, you weren’t born a queer, your facination of being different to get attention is probably your main cause, same goes for the minority crap not getting a “fair shake”. Affermative Action law is a rule that hoses the smart straight kids,

    • Kevin

      I have not received any special privileges for being gay. I do not announce myself as gay everywhere I go. If someone asks me, I tell them. Any jobs or promotions I have received is because of my own intelligence and ability to do my job well. You don’t know that homosexuality is not a born trait, so you shouldn’t presume to tell people things like that.

      • JC

        Jobs or promotions?
        You’re a gay unionized high school teacher in the People’s Republic of Kalifonia…
        What the hell does that have to do with actual work or achievement?

        • Kevin

          I don’t live in California, and my state does not have a teacher’s union. I live in the Bible belt, so I know a lot more about the issues addressed then you seem to think. And what makes you think that teaching isn’t actual work? What do you consider it?

          • JC

            IF…you hold the values of being a Teacher in as high an esteem as they should be held…then I stand corrected.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Kevin,
        you want us to believe that it is a born trait on just your FEELINGS but WE don’t know, when there are so many studies, you could fill even your head with them!!! Pretty progressive of you, there, wouldn’t even you say???

        • Kevin

          None of those studies have proven the cause of homosexuality Jay. That doesn’t mean that someday the cause won’t be found. It also doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. Can you scientifically prove that love exists? It does though. Yet, because you can’t see homosexuality under a microscope you presume to tell me that I am making a choice? Logically, that would mean that everyone is making a choice to be straight or gay. When did you choose? What criteria do you use to base your attraction to women on? Why do you assume that you have the final say on attraction because you are heterosexual? Homosexuals feel the same natural subconcious impulses that indicate who they are attracted to, just like you.

    • Karolyn

      Our resident psychology and medical expert, i41, has spoken!

      • Jay

        Yes, and he spoke well!

  • Eddie47d

    I thought the “Right” (conservatives) didn’t like to ban or censor issues. They seem to be the ban masters. Ban abortion,Ban inter-racial marriages, Ban gay Marriages,Ban certain people from certain jobs,Ban Muslims,and they use to support laws that Banned certain folks from living in their neighborhoods. Now they still want us to jump on their “Ban Wagon”.

    • Jay

      We should also ban you from this site!

    • Kate8

      eddie – gay marriage has never existed before now. How can something that doesn’t exist be banned?

      BTW, the Left has banned any talk of God or prayer in the public arena. Actually, the Left has BANNED a whole lot of things that people used to be free to do. You have to HAVE something before it can be taken away.

      • Kate8

        Hey you guys, help ol’ eddie out here. How many freedoms that we used to enjoy has the Left BANNED?

        Let’s see, they’re trying to ban gun ownership. They’ve banned many sports and activities that kids used to have fun with. They’ve banned things like lemonade stands like we had as kids, and anything of the like.

        The Left has baned political free speech in churches, unless they’re Leftist churches. Only conservative speech is banned. For that matter, no gov’t monies go to ANY conserative causes, only liberal ones.

        How many things can we think of that the Left has banned.

        • libertytrain

          bringing lunches to school; playing the game “Red Rover.” and on and on and on.

        • Jay

          Kate8, don’t forget they have banned anyone from telling the TRUTH!!!

        • Kevin

          Now who’s playing the victim?

    • http://?? Joe H.

      eddie,
      show me where I, a conservative, have ever said I wanted interacial marriages BANNED?? Or that I said I didn’t want certain others in my neighborhood, except, muslim extremeists??? Although, I could probably stand that a little better than having YOU next door to me!!!

    • meteorlady

      Eddie – most people like me believe that certain things do not belong in the scope of public education (or state run education as you will). Education, paid for the the American taxpayer, should be kept to math, reading, English, history and civics, or things that will help a student make it in the real world of work and life.

      It is not the responsibility of a person I don’t even know personally to educate my children or grandchildren on sex, life style choices, or other things that do not pertain to them. It is not the responsibility of public education to shape any portion of my child’s thinking about society in general and sexual preferences in particular.

      if you believe otherwise, tell me a valid reason to take that responsibility away from me as a parent?

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    It’s good that Tennessee is doing this. The only sad part is that it probably won’t be upheld. TEP or some other LGBT will probably file a suit, and some liberal judge will strike down the Tennessee law as unconstitutional. What an outrage!! If it violates the 1st Amendment, then what about school prayer?? Why is it okay to advocate the morally bankrupt agenda of the LGBT movement, but unacceptable to even mention the name of God in school?? Now we see another reason to get out and vote. We need presidents, governors, etc. who will appoint conservative justices who abide by the constitution, not liberals who interpret the law based on their own radical views!!

    • Kevin

      It is not illegal to say God in schools, it is illegal to pray in schools. This law would make it illegal to say gay or homosexual or to even talk to a student who is questioning their feelings. At no point has anyone suggested that homosexuality be taught. The existence of homosexuality is mentioned in lessons about diversity and tolerance. That’s it.

      • Kate8

        Actually, it is NOT illegal to pray anywhere. That is a right guaranteed in the Bill of Rights and cannot be infringed by any law or court. What is used to stop it is intimidation.

        While the SCOTUS did rule that prayer cannot be MANDATORY, they can hardly rule that it’s illegal. That is just more Leftist intrusion into our personal lives.

        • Kevin

          So you think that prayer should be mandatory in schools? Isn’t the whole idea behind prayer that the person praying believes in what they are praying for? Forcing them defeats the purpose of prayer.

          • Kate8

            Kevin – Are you really an idiot, or did I read that wrong?

            Did I EVER say prayer should be mandatory? Ye gads, man. No wonder we can’t have a meaningful dialogue.

            I said that it can’t be FORBIDDEN by law, even though they may try. The trouble is, most people don’t know the law, and they think they must obey a law even if it goes against the Constitution. We are flippin’ sheep.

            NOTHING PERSONAL SHOULD BE MANDATORY, NOR SHOULD IT BE FORBIDDEN. As long as it doesn’t infringe on the rights of others.

            None of us has the right to FORCE our beliefs on anyone else. Not me, not you.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Kevin,
            You MAY be a teacher, but you need a refresher in reading comprehension!!! She never said a thing about MANDITORY PRAYER!!!

          • Kevin

            “While the SCOTUS did rule that prayer cannot be MANDATORY, they can hardly rule that it’s illegal. That is just more Leftist intrusion into our personal lives.”

            You point out that the SCOTUS ruled that prayer cannot be mandatory but is not illegal is a leftist intrusion into your personal life. Seems to me that you are offended that the SCOTUS ruled that it could not be mandatory, otherwise, what is your point? Again, I love how you sink to calling names when you have no point, Kate.

          • Jay

            Joe, I doubt very much this person who goes by the name of Kevin is a teacher. I suspect that his claim that he is a teacher was for the purpose to lend his idiotic line of argumentation credibility. One need only read his posts to confirm said theory!

        • Jay

          Kate8, you are wasting your time, energy and intellect on this fool! What he is actually doing is goading you into a circular argument that leads NOWHERE!!!

          BTW, the link about the Donald being buddy, buddy with that pervert epstein, was quite the eye opener! Shocking!

      • Jay

        The existence of homosexuality is mentioned in lessons about diversity and tolerance. That’s it. Therefore, homosexuality is being taught!

        • Kate8

          Jay – Money and power corrupts, no matter who it is.

          When someone has so much wealth and power, and can have anything they want at the snap of the fingers, and is allowed to function above the law, what can you expect from people who are drivin by their passions?

          Alas, this is the way things have always been. And that little sample is nothing compared to the unspeakable things that these people engage in under the radar. Many of them are truly diabolical, belonging to Luciferian groups who take part in satanic rites. It is being part of these groups that give them the financial backing to rise to fame and power.

          I guess Kevin got mad and went home. Too bad. He asked for links.

          • Jay

            It sends shivers down my spine when I consider some of the things that are done by the untouchables. Despite their belief, or delusion, that they need not be accountable, the truth, is that one day they will stand in front of the One they spent all their life believing He didn’t exist!

            Yes Kate8, you are right, the love of money and power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely!

          • Kevin

            No Kate, I just happen to have a life and can’t spend every moment online arguing with you.

          • Kevin

            Your links just show more paranoid conspiracy theories. I heard about the Superman story line and though it was pretty stupid, myself. I am aware that there are people in power who are pretty sick and twisted, I never denied this, however, this does not mean that there is a large cabal of these people who are in control of the government.

          • Jay

            Kevin, go back to sleep…zzzz

      • meteorlady

        I don’t care what your sexual orientation is or isn’t. I care that schools are stepping into my parental rights and responsibilities. You have an agenda because you are what you are, I have an agenda and that’s to be able to teach my children about diversity or other social matters they way I want to teach them. I don’t need some politically correct liberal teaching my children anything but basic education subject. They have no business interfering with my family or my childrens’ beliefs. It is our business and not the business of educators.

        • meteorlady

          Sorry meant the above for Kevin….

        • Jay

          Meteorlady, wonderfully stated, my sentiments exactly!

  • Kate8
  • Kate8

    Then there’s this. It’s only the tip of the iceberg, but it just fell in my lap today:

    http://911disclosure.blogspot.com/2011/04/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-and.html

  • Jay

    “Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil”
    - Thomas Mann

  • Remember

    Look, Kevin. You made a comment early on about JC possibly having a problem with two people of the same sex sharing a bond or commitment together. I missed what JC said in response, but let me tell you something…

    Lots of people share bonds and commitments with people of the same sex. That’s what sports, clubs, associations and military service are all about, just to name a few examples. There actually ARE instances where people who share those commitments have sex with one another, and that’s not only unfortunate, but it’s also not natural.

    The whole issue here is whether children should or should not be taught that a family with “two mommies or two daddies” is okay. The answer to that issue, for most couples who can actually produce the children in question is a resounding “NO!” Leave it at that. Okay? There’s no reason to get into a discussion about who is more perverted between the two groups. (heteros and homos) All people have the ability and usually the inclination to perversion of one type or another. The heart of man is wicked through and through. It’s just that parents, meaning couples who PRODUCE children, should not have to worry that teachers or schools are filling their children’s heads with moral contraversies. That’s not the place of a school-house. It’s the place of the parents to teach their children according to the morals they hold dear.

    More to the point, I believe the reason the homosexual community does not want it to be that way is because they are afraid that if the parents, (usually heterosexual people), teach their children about morality, homosexuality will be taught to those children as an abhorrent and perverted behaviour, as it should be. Because, let’s be honest, if it were really about two people of the same sex sharing and emotional bond it wouldn’t be called homoSEXUALITY, it might be called Guys Who Are Really Good Friends and Don’t Have Sex With Each Other.
    Be for real, dude.

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