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Lawmakers: Child Farm Rules, Urban Assault On Rural Life

December 5, 2011 by  

Lawmakers: Child Farm Rules, Urban Assault On Rural Life

New child labor rules proposed by the Department of Labor (DOL) last month that would prevent children under the age of 16 from performing certain farm work have raised concerns among many lawmakers.

The first new child labor regulations issued by the DOL in 40 years propose barring children under the age of 16 from performing tasks such as driving tractors, handling pesticides and branding cattle on farms that have grown to the point of commercialization. The rules do not apply to small, family-owned farms.

A group of more than 70 lawmakers in the House, led by Representative Denny Rehberg (R-Mont.), sent a recent letter to the DOL that said the rule “challenges the conventional wisdom of what defines a family farm in the United States,” according to The Hill. The lawmakers believe that the rules are also an assault on a deeply rural-American way of life by urban lawmakers.

“You’ve got a president of the United States … from Chicago, you’ve got a director for secretary of Labor who’s pushing this from Los Angeles, and you have to think to yourself, do you have any idea what it’s like not just to run an agricultural business in a rural state … but to raise a family in one?” asked Rehberg.

The Labor Department has been flooded with more than 6,000 comments about the new rules. Rehberg said the next move should be to withdraw the proposed changes.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • s c

    Sam, what we have is an incompetent prez from Chicago and a pc, Nazi twit from Los Angeles who “know” just enough about real farming to make themselves dangerous. The bottom line is in the fact that they’re about as “country” as Al Gore.
    Uncle Scam has been engaged in the systematic breaking up of the nuclear family for DECADES. Someone has decided that after 40 years or so, it’s now time to prove (somehow) again that Uncle Scam “cares” about the American people [farmers, in this case] and that regardless of what the American people think, Uncle Scam will do his worst to see to it that farms are turned upside down and TRANSFORM and gut farming as we know it.
    Obummer, back off. Labor Secretary (whoever the hell you are), back off. Stick to things you know (like graft, unnecessary regulations, inept KONTROL of production methods, bigger government, waste, hyper-spending and various types of social insanity).
    People, once again (this will NEVER stop as long as we have a Big Brother, wannabe dictatorial, ‘I’m saving you for your own good’ government). Obummer, close the fricking borders. Take care of he economy.
    Stop flying to other countries. Tell Zbig to go get a job. Tell your wife to write books about how to travel on other people’s money. Burn your Alinsky books, and re-read your oath of office. In your spare time, re-read the Constitution and have some standards on who gets daily access to the White House. You can do better. You can’t do much WORSE.

    • Richard Pawley

      Interesting that you mentioned 40 years ago because it was about 43 years ago that I was surprised by a professor of political science’s question, “Have the states outlived their usefulness?” It was not something that had ever occurred to me. Of course this was the University of South Carolina and the good professor proceeded to point out the value of the states and that they were a training ground for higher office among other things, even that being a hint at increasing federalism.

      Since that time our morality as a nation has slipped almost as far as ancient Rome’s and we repeat the same mistakes they did, high taxes, overspending, military spread out all over everywhere (no jobs at home in our case so keep them out of the home country), devalued money, destruction of the family, corruption beyond repair, and more. One of the problems with government service is that it is mostly based on ‘theoretical concepts’ not practical experience. The idea of lording it over others because we know what is best for them is antithetical to the American spirit and experience yet that is what many in congress (I refuse to capitalize the word)and the various bureaucracies believe. Not all of course, there are a handful of decent Democrats and Republicans who are Americans first but many are there to get what they can. (New York senators are among the most powerful in the country and I found it interesting that the spouse of one of them according to what I have read elsewhere, made over 200 stock trades while the senate was passing laws involving those companies a few years ago. IT IS MY NAIVE BELIEF THAT ALL OF CONGRESS SHOULD BE BOUND BY THE SAME LAWS THEY ATTEMPT TO BIND US WITH. What gives them the right to consider that they are exempt from morality and the law of the land. They are servants elected by the rest of us to do what we want, not Barons and Baroness, out to rape the land and population for all they can get, all the while hypocritically claiming that they are ‘for the people’. Most people would be shocked to learn that God hates a hypocrite almost as much as the apathetic and what Jesus said about them is truly amazing.

      And as bad as congress is the bureaucracy is worse. They are infected with the same mindset that they know what is best for the rest of us. If that was based on sound scientific principles and evidence there might be something to that but they are for the most part busy-bodies who ignore the science and support the multi-national corporations. The evidence is that vaccines really do damage of various sorts (our babies, the ones we don’t abort, get twice as many vaccines as the Japanese, yet they have twice the death rate of those Japanese who don’t get all the vaccines). Our children get Autism at a phenomenal rate thousands of percent more than before genetically modified foods (GMO) were secretly introduced into our food supply but the fact that the Amish who don’t use GMO seeds and avoid chemicals on their farms in any form have the same rate of autism that existed before GMO is not considered. (Just a coincidence someone in the autism industry told me). I believe that there is a high probability that autism is caused by a virtually unprovable synergism between inferior vaccines and GMO in some, but thank God, not in all, individuals. Let’s pray that California citizens are vocal enough to pass that law allowing them to be told which foods contain GMO (93% of soybeans and soybean oil, 86% of corn, cornmeal, corn oil, corn syrup, and of course HFCS, 83% of cotton, cottonseed oil, and now even sugar that is not cane sugar but beet sugar which is now GMO, and more). At least in most European countries which the current administration and it’s appointees are trying their best to emulate, citizens are told on the package that the products contain GMO, but not us. One travesty in terms I saw recently was “organic canola oil”! There was no such thing as a canola plant until Canadian scientists using the rapeseed plant invented it so how in heavens name can it be called organic? The answer is “IT CAN’T” but big business is trying it’s best to confuse the public and muddy the water so they can profit. I do my best to avoid all the things mentioned above, not an easy task, and although many real scientists (not paid for my the food industry) have begged the FDA not to approve the genetically manipulated Alfalfa, the FDA, long infiltrated by big agri-business have ignored them, altered the DNA of Alfalfa, and this is now entering the food chain in sprouts and in the feed for animals. It is really far worse than I have space to tell you here. May God help us!

      I believe we have crossed the threshold. At one time we might have been able to avert the coming catastrophe by gathering together the best minds but we don’t want the best minds any more. We have rejected truth, be it the Gospels of Jesus Christ in their simplicity or the complexities of modern science. God did not inspire men and women, Christian and Jew, to create the United States of America, to see it become an anti-God socialist state where God is the State and the State is God! The ONLY solution is a return to the God we once believed in and a national revival along the lines of the one that inspired those in the mid-1700′s who created our great nation. The probability of that happening without a major catastrophe of long duration is, I believe, very low. I just hope our greed and avarice and lawlessness doesn’t lose us the nation that so many have died to build and protect. Dum Spiro Spero!

      • eddie47d

        Yet so many on here want their kids and other peoples kids to go work on these GMO Monsanto farms and other commercial operations. That would make their children part of the problem and make our nation more indebted to them and their sinister schemes to control what we eat.

      • s c

        Richard, THANK YOU for daring to THINK. Almost every time I look at reader responses on this website, I am disgusted at how many people refuse to THINK. “Feeling” has become such a strong habit that those people can’t understand what has happened to them.
        Keep thinking, Richard. It’s a wonderful habit, and it’s one that just might keep us FREE.

      • eddie47d

        Has your head exploded yet SC? It must be held together with duct tape! Too many are confusing chores with work. Every parent should demand that their children do household chores and expect them to be consistent about it. The same for any farm kid. That is teaching responsibility and a fairly clear demand. When it comes to work and getting paid a reasonable set wage and the type of work a child does makes all the difference. That’s were they start entering the adult world where we(adults)also have laws and rules that are separate from the chores we do at home. The problem with you SC you turn everything into a political conspiracy when none exists.

      • Richard Pawley

        Thinking is important S.C. and using the brains God gave us is certainly important but better than both is the power of prayer. I truly believe that if enough believers pray that God would work HIS will on everything that is unhealthy and corrupt and just plain wrong in Washington and on Wall Street, in the FDA and the FCC and the Dept.of Energy and the Dept. of Education, etc. that things would happen that would amaze some. If enough would pray every day we might be able to slow down the collapse that is coming, the terrible inflation, eventual food shortages and finally the death of the dollar.

        In a wonderful classic paperback called GOD CALLING, which I recommended in both my books, two women in England who prayed together as Jesus recommended so long ago, were told that their prayers could change the laws of parliament without their every leaving their kitchen. This amazing book holds has over 360 short explanations of what is important and what is not and is readily available in many place. We can rant and rave as many do here but little will change, even with a new president because the congress has squandered trillions of dollars, shoring up this bank and that insurance company, and this solar energy company and that auto company, all things that we have bankruptcy laws for.

        I was amazed that some 14,000 wind turbines costing hundreds of millions of dollars (and maybe billions) have just been abandoned across our land and even in Hawaii where there is almost always wind. It is all a government boondoggle and will not stop until the government crashes the system and greatly diminishes the dollar (more than it has already – just this past week the dollars value dropped 2.3 percent) or destroys it altogether, and then we will struggle along until even so called atheists will be praying and begging for God’s help for our nation. Yet, few are willing to face the facts on anything anymore. I no longer believe that there is anyone we can elect who can stop what congress and the presidents have set in motion. The whole economic stability of the planet is in jeopardy because everyone is copying us since they want what we are rapidly losing, the status as the greatest nation in the world and the good life. We are fortunate our ship of state hasn’t floundered on the shoals of economic irresponsibility so far but we cannot continue as we have for the past several years. It is simply not possible without more money than exists in the world.

        A conversation related to me by someone years ago comes to mind. Way back when the Italians were first learning how to use our missiles on ships they sent several officers over here to the Brooklyn Navy Shipyard to learn all about them. One of them stayed with a fellow countryman out in the country on weekends, a gentleman who moved here from Italy after WWII. Well, because the job these men were learning was so important the FBI and CIA did a thorough investigation of where they went and what they did in their time off. My friend never discussed politics as their were many more things to discuss, like fine wine and good food, and country living away from the chaos of NYC but he was amused to discover that he was being thoroughly investigated. After six months the officers returned to Italy and my friend took them down to the airport but there was a three hour delay for some reason and on that last day they did have a good talk about why things were the way they were in the world.

        “Your country cannot get by without a war, every so often” one of Italian officers said. Amid denials it was pointed out that the United States economy was in a shambles no matter how much money was spent and new things tried following the 1929 stock market crash, until WWII came along and then there was full employment and after the war the economy really took off. Things started to slow down a bit my friend was told and then along came Korea which gave the economy a boost. The growth in the 1950′s was phenomenal. My friend was not convinced but lived to see it start to slow down again and then came Vietnam, then Grenada, and Panama, and eventually Desert Storm and finally for the last ten years The War on Terror. If we had a truly free economy and perhaps all these wars wouldn’t be necessary. Soon however we are not going to be able to afford any more wars and any more foolishness like all the rules in poorly worded undefined laws that lawyers in government just love to pass. Soon the fact that our nation is broke is going to become evident and no one I know can accurately predict how bad it will be although I have said in both my books it will be far worse than the Great Depression. Likewise no one can predict how long this time of suffering will last, although it could be a decade, or a generation. All I can think to tell you at this late date is to be sure to vote but even that will not help as much as praying that God will work His Will on all that is going on. Remember, we who believe must do double duty when it comes to praying for our nation because atheists and marginal believers will not be praying, so it up to us. While God will help individuals He will not likely help our country until we once again recognize, as a nation, that we need Him, and before it is all over that will be very evident.

      • Joe H.

        Richard,
        “Have the states outlived their usefull life?” Well, I think not, but most of the federal government sure has! All they do anymore is restrict freedoms, screw the economy and start wars!!

  • Angel Wannabe

    You gotta love bureaucrats, they all have a self imposed “I love me, who do you love” aura wrapped around that fat head of theirs, while professing they are humble servants elected by the people.
    They sit up on they’re pedestals(that they themselves created) in they’re posh offices, and in their minds think, what they think are great thoughts….. in the background the Tin Man in the Wizard of OZ softly sings, “If I only Had a Brain!”
    You idiots sit in Washington D.C creating laws & Barking orders to the Farmers in the Heartland, when more than half of you never laid a hand to an axe to split firewood, much less fell a tree, raised livestock or milked a cow!___SO TELL ME, WHY SHOULD WE LISTEN TO YOU?????

    • wandamurline

      Just another reason to terminate the Department of Labor, along with about 100 other departments that are completely unconstitutional, ie Department of Education, EPA, etc. This government wants to “control” everything and everyone. My kids grew up on our farm and my grandkids work on it…without them, I would have had to hire labor and we could not have afforded it. It is time to tell the federal government to go to hell. Vote in 2012 like your life depends on it, because it literally does. American will not make it through another four years of the socialist/anticolonial Obama.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Wandamurline _TOTALLY AGREE!

        • s c

          Angel and Wandamurline, even now, some of this website’s trolls and robots are lining up to defend god’s gift to American politics and his corrupt administration. It is the LANGUAGE that determines what happens via new legislation.
          Can you tell me (or the reading audience) how many farms aren’t yet classified as commercial operations? All Opraiseme has to do is tamper with the words and meanings of those words, and voila. They’ve done it before, and they’ll do it again.
          Those rockheads would defend a Hitler or a Stalin, and they know it. They just don’t have the guts to ADMIT IT.
          Angel and Wandamurline, THIS is the starting point on this issue. From here on, it gets worse and goes downhill at higher speeds. Our Big Brother government needs a serious case of agency-to-agency ABORTIONS.

          • Angel Wannabe

            sc, Hear, Hear!!!

        • eddie47d

          SC; You allowed those big commercial farms to take over America. Were you on the front line in defending the family farm in the 80′s when they were being driven out by the corporations and the banks. Not to get political but that was during the Reagan era so it was your best bud who allowed the junking of the family farm. So maybe it’s Conservatives who are more in tune to Collective Farms aka Stalin and Hitler. Since you want to play your cleaver sleaze game on a daily basis then was it your left side or right side of your brain that was ABORTED?

          • isBubba

            This “eddie47d” is an obvious leftist plant (both figuratively and literally…my guess would be skunk cabbage). He’s on this board, day-in, day-out, obviously either getting paid by for his posts or on the taxpayer’s dole, with nothing better to do than troll on a conservative site whose majority membership he hates so much.

            From here on out, everyone should ignore this “Occupy White House” leftist-profligate support hose. He’ll eventually go away like the bad case of gas he is. You just have to hold your nose and ignore the stink in the room.

          • eddie47d

            More cheap shots from the extreme right who pretend they have intelligence. You offered nothing on whether kids should be able to work on factory farms but want respect for your low life diatribe. You ain’t going to get it “bubba” and are walking north in front of a southbound train.Since I’m retired and don’t get paid for being here I reckon that makes you a professional liar!

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            I thought you watched your grand kids? Shirking your duties to post here??? I know!! Their watching YOU, aren’t they??? Do child labor laws permit that, eddie???

    • BSG

      Does this include undocumented Illegal Alien kids under 16? It won’t matter much, you can pass all the laws you want but without the ability to enforce them they will be ignored.

  • No fool

    Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? The new rules are deeply flawed much like the bunch that dreamed it up.

    • pam

      AMEN!!!!!

  • CoCowboy

    What a bunch of bullcrap!!! I was raised on farms and ranches all of my childhood life. I drive my first tractor when I was just 7, running PTO driven balers and other equipment when I was 8 and was running ditchers and graders… It was a nice way to learn how to run heavy equipment and when I became a young man, it was my foot in the door to run even larger heavy equipment for an asphalt company…

    These politicians are pussifying our kids… Hey Washington – Butt The Fu(k out!!!

    • Robert Smith

      the family farms ain’t gonna be touched.

      The factory farms that employ ADULTS… What, do you want to replace adult labor with kids because they are cheaper?

      With 12 cookies on the table the CEO says to the Tea Bagger, “I’ve gotten my 11, you better get yours before the union guy does.”

      Rob

      • CoCowboy

        @Rob – Growing up, I also was allowed to work for other farmers and ranchers. I learned responsibilities and skills of every kind. It’s none of DC’s biz… They need to butt out…

        • Joe H.

          CoCowboy,
          you have to understand, eddie and mr. smith are good ole’ union boys!! (that boys is spelled goons!!) If you allow kids to work on the farm, it can’t be organized and made UNION!!! I don’t know about anyone else here, but if I owned a farm and it was raided by those Mex organizers, I would plow the crop under before i would allow it to be unionized!! I wouldn’t care if I lost the farm!

  • cat lover

    Right. Let’s not teach our future farmers how to farm and perform those tasks that are needed to take over the farm. They won’t know how to farm and won’t know how to grow crops, handle animals. Won’t be able to help put food on the nation’s tables. Let’s just cut off our noses. Our children are already stupid and irresponsible. Not taught a damn intelligent thing in our schools. Now we can’t teach them on our farms or our homes? Government intrusion is causing this country to fail us. In a few generations, we will be Haiti. Full of people who expect and always need and rely on a handout from the world.

    • Robert Smith

      Hey cat lover, what part of family farms not being impacted don’t you understand?

      BTW, for every kid that is hired by a factory farm it puts an adult on welfare.

      Rob

      • CoCowboy

        @Rob – Ohhh… You must mean the adults who won’t do those kinds of work duties… you know, the pussies of today… (probably like you)

      • Joe H.

        mr smith,
        Yeah, and all of them illegal aliens! so that would be GOOD!!

  • PATRIOT 101

    They won’t withdraw these rules, rather put strong penalties on them. This will turn every parent into a criminal that lives on a farm. Sound Terrible? Well think about it as a GOAL to criminilaize landowners and it makes perfect sense.

    • Disgusted

      The parent already is a criminal. My son falsely claimed my husband (not his father) laid his hands on him in an abusive manner because he wasn’t getting what he wanted. Never a problem reported before and even with no history we were instantly under suspicion. My son was removed from my home and we had to hire a lawyer to defend ourselves against these false accusations. The children have been given too much control – they are all growing up to be lazy – I want something for nothing – adults. Government (both state and federal) need to butt out of parenting and leave it up to the parents.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Disgusted__Your not alone, your story reminded me of a friend of ours. Years ago her Daughter in an argument with her Mother said F U to her Mother in the middle of the Mall. her Mother Backhanded her. The next day the Youth Authorities were at her door (notified by the pissed off daughter)they put that woman on 30 day probation and another 90 day watch after that.___Our kids were old enough to see this__one night I called a Family meeting and told the kids, that I know, that they know whats going on with Dick and Jane (fictitious names)and that I give you fair warning, once in a while you will and do get your rear ends slapped when your not listening and at some point, you may get the idea to turn me into the authorities and I might be jailed__but they should keep in mind that whatever they have me put in jail for, won’t be anything compared to what will happen to you, WHEN I GET OUT!

        • Angel Wannabe

          Disgusted___just for the record, the kids are now 31 and 29 with their own kids_ and we never had a problem!

          • Joe H.

            Angel,
            My oldest heard of one of her friends taking her parents to kiddie court and tried to threaten us with it once! I walked into my bedroom, came out with a suit case, and handed it to her. She asked me what I was doing and I looked at her and said” When I can’t correct you when you do wrong, wallop your but when you say or do something you KNOw you aren’t supposed todo, then somebody else is gonna take care of you, feed you and buy your clothes. She walked into my room and put the suitcase away and we never had the discussion again. she is now 31 years old!

  • jopa

    CoCowboy:I was about 10 or 11 when I started driving tractors and such on the neighborhood farms.It taught me many a valuable lesson that I have used throughout my life and have no problem with that. The above article claims the new rules are not intended for small family owned farms, more for the mega farms owned by corporations.I wouldn’t want my grandkids driving tractors, truck or combines for these outfits.You have to know where to draw the line.If the farmer doesn’t make it nobody does.

    • s c

      Jopa, this may be a very important day in your life. If you’re a farmer, and if you understand what is so WRONG with an idea like this, then you MUST take a good look at where you stand and what you think and how you came to this point.
      For some reason, you have chosen to support Obama. NOW that you see where a matter like this will take America, you need to step back and re-evaluate why you hold some beliefs. There is NO WAY that Obama can distance himself from this issue.
      You must, therefore, conclude that this idea comes from Obama himself. NOW, if Obama can approve of an idea like this topic [let's tell farmers what they can do and why], then you should have a completely different way of estimating Obama’s TRUE value to America.
      Some of us have tried to understand how anyone can support Obama. Any politician will eventually telegraph his or her true self. It’s simply a matter of time. Apparently, it took a while for Obama to violate a topic that is near and dear to you.
      While you still are able, jopa, take a hard look at Obama. Decide which is more important to you (that which makes sense or Obama). He finally gave you a reason to stop and THINK.
      There is little time left, the stakes are high, and America can’t afford to believe in anyone who relies on emotions instead of facts. Your children and their children and America are at risk, jopa. THINK!

      • eddie47d

        JOPA, Kindly tell SC and the others that it doesn’t effect family farms. SC is so busy pounding Obama she forgot to read. She has a terrible ability to comprehend the issues and has her comments written out before she even reads the articles. She must have been trained in the Wahhabi School of propaganda or maybe on Goebbels lap.

        • Angel Wannabe

          eddie47d, the time to bitch about family farms not being affected isn’t after they already are…..can’t you see the language is always broadbased and ALWAYS has the ability built in to be added to?

          • Buster the Anatolian

            eddie is to dense to realize many family farms are privately owned corporations for legal purposes and would be affected by these proposed regulations.

          • eddie47d

            That sounds like more capitalistic collectivism and even more corporate farms. Apparently they are all in it together. Go figure.

          • Angel Wannabe

            eddie_ Honest to God, sometimes I think you type to just hear your fingers chink the keys__For Cryin’ out loud!

          • eddie47d

            Aren’t your fingers numb yet Angel because you seem to be enjoying the frolicking!

          • Joe H.

            Angel,
            eddie is too dense to realize that this is just the beginning. Once they get this passed, the family farms aren’t too far behind. After the bill controlling FAMILY farms DOES pass, it is too late to do anything about it!! BTW, Caitlin Halligans forced vote, called for by Dirty Harry was defeated today!!! Again, prayers DO get answered!!!

        • s c

          Believe the Fuhrer. Love the Fuhrer. Trust the Fuhrer. Do as the Fuhrer says. If you do not love the Fuhrer, the Fuhrer will do what he must to preserve law and order in a perfect society.
          e, you are your own biggest liability. If you work hard and read and study, in 30 years or so you might rise to the level of a third-rate troll.
          By the way, don’t think of the Fuhrer as a Nazi. Actually, he’s a national socialist, which is a cousin to a communist. Put THAT in your sandwich, e, and EAT IT. Is that Big Tent starting to collapse, comrade?

          • eddie47d

            The only big tent I see collapsing is on your lame excuses for a conversation. Can’t you think without bringing up the Furer and pandering to right wing swill. You are one scary woman and are so obsessed even an exorcist couldn’t drag the demons out of you. Trust me SC you are no asset to intelligence around here. Your words prove that you are not much more than a suicide bomber in thought and in deeds.

        • eddie47d

          The issue(law) is about corporate farms getting their greedy little hands on child laborers and using them for cheap labor and long hours. So think of the problems that do arise when these laws aren’t in place. Factory farms wouldn’t be much different than working children on assembly lines and coal mines in past years.

          • Angel Wannabe

            eddie__C’mon its a power grab eddie__ A FRIKIN’ POWER GRAB!__NOTHING MORE THAN MORE GOVERNMENT MEDDLING AND ITS B*LLSHYT!

          • Angel Wannabe

            EDDIE, BTW__the bureaucrats don’t do anything about the companies who hire illegals here, so why the heck are thet worried these kids? Maybe, Just Maybe__By Letting These kids work and learn how to earn a days wage, might help make some of them prosper??__Aw, geez, but, what was I thinking the GUV wants us all to be P*ssies!

          • eddie47d

            Damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Not everyone wants their kids to work on factory farms or in the mines. Can you grasp that? Corporations in the farm business are always willing to break a few rules by hiring illegals. When they have kids they can’t afford to pay babysitters so out to the fields they go.That is more out of necessity and although those kids can turn out to be hard workers they seldom can advance themselves.Which is what the corporates want.A steady stream of dependable labor who have no other place to go. In some cases with those tag along kids the farm gets free labor for they only pay the parent. You’re so worried about what the government is doing (or not doing) that you can’t see the abuses coming from the corporations.

          • Angel Wannabe

            and eddie,_ your so damned worried about what corporations and how CAPITILISM IS What causing our downfall (but reality is Its CRONY CAPITALISM THATS THE PROBLEM), you fail to see the real enemnies, AND Most of them WORK FOR OUR GOVERNMENT!

          • eddie47d

            I’m well aware of Big Government and Big Corporate Farms. Now don’t trip all over those corporate conglomerates as you head out the door and don’t let that door hit you in the rear. Now if you would like to kindly inform me about government disasters that would be great. Then I will kindly tell you about corporate misdeeds. We can agree to disagree instead of acting like we are mentally challenged with snippy remarks.

          • Opal the Gem

            “…instead of acting like we are mentally challenged with snippy remarks.”

            Well eddie you should know all about the snippy remarks for you make a profession out of posting them.

          • Joe H.

            Nope, eddie isn’t worried about corporate “anything”!! He’s worried about the union not getting their fat AZZes into the spectrum!!!

      • Robert Smith

        From s c: “There is NO WAY that Obama can distance himself from this issue.”

        I like a President who isn’t going to displace ADULT workers with children so factory farms can have cheap labor.

        You must be so proud that you protect kids from conception to birth and then want to send them out to the lowest bidder mega farm.

        Rob

        • CoCowboy

          @Rob – you sound like a plant…

        • Joe H.

          mr smith,
          Yup, he isn’t gonna displace ADULT workers with kids, just US workers with illegal aliens!!! EVEN WORSE!!

  • Papa

    If ANYONE in Washington DC knows anything at all about Rural Life OR Farming, I’d be amazed! It’s a cinch they don’t know anything at all about how to raise a FAMILY, anywhere out side of a city.

    We need another 6,000 complaints about them trying to make RULES for a way of life they can’t even BEGIN to understand. What we REALLY need is a requirement that ALL CHILDREN need at least “TWO SUMMERS” working on a farm in order to graduate from High School, then maybe they would learn a little COMMON SENSE and might even discover what HARD WORK is all about…

    • eddie47d

      The rules are for those kids 15 and under and has nothing to do with their ability to graduate from high school. They could still get their two summers in if feasible. How many kids these days even live near a farm to achieve your dream? So should we pass out drivers licenses to 11 year olds so they can be on our roads to get to those farms? Some of you put the cart before the horse in dealing with such simple problems. I really doubt if there are many parents that would drive 30-100 miles (one way) to get their kids out to a farm to work if they have to get to work themselves.The cost of gasoline alone would kill any feasibility of your dream.

      • Firefly

        The concept of no classes in Summer was invented so kids could have the summer off to work on the farm which most did before the last Great Depression and I suspect many more will after the next Greater Depression. In any event in the state I grew up in the children of farmers could drive tractors and even pick-ups for short distances across highways that connected farms and for short distances on those highways at age 13. You had to be 14 to get a driver’s license to drive on the highway like everyone else. Of course we have babyified today’s kids and they are far more pampered and unable to be independent in many ways than those of yesteryear, with rare exceptions of course.

        • Dave

          There were 1/10th the vehicles out there, too. Now every road is a madhouse of mayhem. No age is qualified to drive.

          • Joe H.

            Dave,
            speak for yourself. i started driving at about 14-15 and I have a perfect record! No accident that were my fault or tickets! I’m 61 this month!!

      • eddie47d

        Technology has babyfied our kids where they don’t think they have to physically work hard. That is not all bad since most aspects of life now require some form of advanced technology.There are these predictable attacks on this site against city dwellers and now their kids. Many of these Techno kids are much smarter and adaptable than we give them credit for although there are plenty who are lazy and obese too. I’ve also seen some hefty farm wives too. LOL Then again some of these city kids grow up and make plenty of money being mentally smart and not physically attuned. Do I sense alot of envy over that on these issues.

        • Firefly

          Ssdly this is the first generation that is seeing it’s kids die before they do. I have several friends who have children between 10 and 40 and have lost at least one child to diseases. Our techo-children know a great deal more about electronics than I do but are going to have a much worse time than their grandparents or great grandparents did, and this nation has never seen poverty the likes of which is being created for us by those who only have our best interests at heart. Ask any Democrat and they will tell you how much they care for the poor, as they spend us into oblivion. You simply won’t believe the next two decades.

  • jopa

    cat lover; Perhaps if you spent more time with your children and less with your cats your children wouldn’t be stupid and irresponsible.All of my children and grandchildren are doing just fine.

    • mickey

      Reread the post, I think Catlover said something different than what you thought was said.

      • CP

        Thanks, Mickey. I am afraid I would NOT have been so polite. Too many people on here jump a posting without actually reading it.

      • eddie47d

        JOPA got the message a little clearer than alot of the posters.Catlover and others have a tendency to blame the government for everything. Let’s reverse this issue and say why don’t all farm kids go work in the auto plants,law offices,architect firms,department stores,Pep Boys,Office Max or Best Buys which are in the cities. They have hiring and labor laws in the cities so why would commercial farms feel that they can be exempted. Sorry I don’t want a 14 year old working at Home Depot.

        • Jan

          I dunno…I’ve been to Home Depot and there were some people working there that were dumber than my 14 year old.

          • Joe H.

            Jan, you got that right!!! I had one last month that didn’t know what 90 weight mineral coated rolled roofing was!!!

  • Alcam

    In recent years I have come to the conclusion that the mental capacity of humans has been in decline for about 250 years. Someone invented the steam engine. Today we have become so totally dependent on machines doing what humans did, that we don’t think humans should do physical work. Far better that they shuffle papers about without having a clue what the figures mean or where they come from. “Milk comes in bottles” was an marked stage in our mental decline. Noe everything comes from the “supermarket”. I guess the most fearful thing is that if you know anything about the real world, you are not allowed to hold a position where you can make decisions, you are specifically excluded from any political position. My experience as a young boy working on my grandparents farm was probably the most important stage in my life. I learned about the world of nature. Today most people do not know that the world is not what you see on TV ads. You beat me by a few years CoCowboy, I did not drive the tractor on my own until I was 12, but I worked on the combine harvester at 10, and was running a rabbit trapping activity when i was 9. Not paid of course, but board and lodgings, and more important, the affection of my grandparents and a knowledge of the real world.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Alcam, Me too!__My Grandmothers Farm, she was widowed at 45, left with 7 kids and a farm.__and time rolled on, Everyone pitched in to help her. Even the kids who were married with family came home to help!___Granny later married a man who lost his wife and left him with 7 kids. When My Mom and Dad were first married they lived there too!. I remember Mom saying, when they finished washing dishes from one meal, they began pealing potatoes for the next!
      I began to sheer sheep at 10, drove the ole’ international and the big John Deere tractor at 12. We stacked hay, planted by hand and havested the truck patch, and it was huge. We canned foods and put up jellies and made quilts. I can’t tell you how valuable it was being there and how many wonderful memories!

      • Robert Smith

        And now because of the big farming lobby it’s all but impossible to drink a glass of raw milk.

        How do you like corporations making rules for you?

        And now there are those advocating putting kids to work and adults can collect. Just ask Newt how he wants to clean schools.

        Rob

        • Joe H.

          OH YEAH mr smith, We can’t take any work from those union workers now can we?
          A few years ago, our school had a shortage of useable desks because the kids had screwed the tops up. A bunch of the parents with refinishing experience offered to come in, supply the materials, and do the work free of charge. the union raised so much hell that they were taking work away from the maintenance workers that the school refused. Six months later, the desks were STILL not refinished!! Know how they got around it? The shop teacher made a project of it and the kids refinished them for a grade. Not as high quality, but they got around the dam union, and the desks were useable!!!

  • Starvin Larry

    I agree with Papa that all kids should have to spend some time working on a farm,I did when I was in Jr. High and High school,even made a few $$$ of my own money-only problem is the kids now are so wussified that they couldn’t pick up a regular hay bale and toss it on the hay wagon, pick them up off of the conveyor to the hay loft,or stack the bales in the loft!
    I doubt any kids now even know what a PTO is,or how to hitch up a trailer,hay wagon,or anything else. I highly doubt they could drive a tractor,or know what a pitchfork is,and they would never muck out stalls-that kind of work would be beneath them!
    Which is exactly why all kids should have to perform farm work to graduate high school-they would actually learn something useful-and maybe comprehend that you have to actually do some work to make money.

  • JB

    Elected elite, self-serving, career, incumbent “legislators” haven’t a clue about anything beyond their own protection of job & benefits.
    New laws, new rules, new – - neve examine or review waste, fraud, inept, incompetent, ineffective – -

    • CP

      JB, the people coming up with these rules are NOT elected nor appointed, they are hired. Who ever appointed a beaureaucrat to any postion when he could talk you into creating a position he was perfect for, then hiring him to fill it.

  • Cork Meyer

    These Idiots should have ask how many of the welfare group at OWS were raised on farms and ranches and run around asking for handouts. I will bet the number is ZERO

    • Jan

      Yes, it’s zero because they found that over 80% of the people they arrested came from UPPER middle class and WEALTHY families. When not whining about the unfairness of the world because they took out student loans and racked up hundreds of thousands of dollars on a useless major, they were busy sitting around in their expensive clothes and twittering or updating their facebook page on their ipads. This is a result of the “building up a child’s self-esteem” and “everyone is a winner” agenda brought to you by the liberals. If you haven’t watched the Adam Carolla youtube rant, you’re in for a treat because he says what we’ve always known what is wrong with kids today but the government/PC crowd pushes on us…there are two versions, one was edited because of swearing.

      http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/12/01/adam-carolla-tears-ows-millenials-a-new-one/#ooid=s4a2UzMzpXPJ0udzH1lN5S-7jxLaI_Sw

  • Syl

    Law-makers have made so many laws that there is little left to regulate. So they are now just making things up out of boredom to torment and wield power over us. I like Perry’s idea of sending congress home earlier. They are just up to political mischief nowadays.

    • mickey

      Yes, it appears they are just passing time until a major event happens?

  • bob wire

    I’m opposed to these labor restriction as I find them difficult to comply with when it’s a Father’s job to teach such skills to their children and early as they are found capable.

    Too many young people in America today are not getting these basic “basic” hands on training and exposed to a “work ethic” that is to serve them for the rest of their lives.

    That said, if you will Google “Horse, Tractor accidents
    you will be “SHOCKED” with how many and serious they are and wonder what could be done to make there numbers and severity less.

    I was ~ and you will be shocked too.

    Just how much this proposed legislation might help, I don’t know and that would require a long case by case study, but clearly some kind of education that improved adult and children judgment making abilities is worth considering.

    • mickey

      Yes, they do happen. Most tractors now have cabs and the PTOs are protected. We have the small tractors that are made to do other things not necessarily for farm work but to pick up loads of gravel, tree branches, etc, the suburban sprawl of farm equipment, lol.

      OTOH, we have kids run over by lawnmowers and mowing lawns (shut my mouth) are not prohibted yet.

      • Dave

        Essentially, if you have a local kid mow your lawn and anything happens to them a home owners insurance company will be sued. If not by the parents/child then the hospital where they might have been taken after the accident.
        I mowed lawns starting in grade school and then to send and pay for college. But I have a had time hiring the local kid because of the liability factor.
        That is what is part of this new law, too.
        Not really at all about smaller family oriented farms but there are problems to address. Don’t know how many “kids” are on the big commercial farms.
        Regardless of legislations intent everyone is going to assume the worst because it’s the government again

      • eddie47d

        So who get blamed if there is an accident with children working with equipment. The business,the owner or the kids parents for allowing him to work at that business? The “government” laws are in place to determine liability. How would you handle an injury or damage without any laws? Just tell the kid to suck it up and not worry about those missing fingers or an arm. When its your own child you can or have to deal with it. When it involves someone you hire then the issue becomes more complex.

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          eddie47d

          whether or not they are working. This is qualitatively … problem to children and adolescents on farms, …. DOA=dead on arrival; ED=emergencydepartment. …
          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1067817/pdf/injprev00003-0038.pdf -

        • Angel Wannabe

          eddie 47d if someone accidentally gets hurt on the job it’s called an accident!!!!!__I’m a little tired of you Liberals making Mountains outta molehills!___The TV and News media is to blame as well__
          for Example___All across the News__ Big Pharma and Lawyers feathering each of their nests. Big Pharma puts out a bad batch of Pharmaceuticals, ads go up on TV “if you took Zoloft while pregnant, and your child has this,this and this_ then the Lawyers say, “YOU MAY HAVE A CLAIM!”__America has become a get rich quick scheme, off of frivolous law suits”!__ENOUGH!

        • eddie47d

          I didn’t expect you to fall off the hay wagon Angel! Every company has rules that govern their business and the adults that work there have to abide by them. Yet you can’t stand having laws or rules for kids who work when those jobs can be far more dangerous for them. Get a grip for you are the one making a mountain out of a mole hill.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Sorry eddie, but Man you sound like a solid case, of the very thing MOST PEOPLE are trying to prevent__THAT’S THE WUSSIFICATION OF OUR KIDS, GRANDKIDS and the AMERICAN PEOPLE AS A WHOLE!_IT’S TIME WE STOP THIS!

          • eddie47d

            I hate to inform you Angel and even with the bad economy things are much better now for all workers. Life is indeed easier and our work habits reflect that. That is a part of progress or don’t you want things to be better. Should all farmers go back to pushing a plow behind a mule to keep from being “wussified”? Are adult farmers now wussified because they sit in an air conditioned combine? Should we give up modern perks because you crave the hard old days and want the same for your kids?

        • Joe H.

          eddie,
          Kids have accidents even playing basketball. should they be banned from playing Bball? Don’t forget all the injuries from football. Gee, they get hurt falling down a flight of stairs, should we demand that all homes be ranches with no basements?? At eight, I was working with my father for an allowance deburring parts for seat jigs. He sub contracted with the union shop he worked for to build them on his own. At twelve i ran a bandsaw, a welder, drillpress,grinders, all sorts of tools and I never hurt myself once!! At eighteen, I came home on leave and laid my hand down on a fresh weld, so I guess age isn’t the determining factor in a person getting hurt all the time, is it??

  • mickey

    I was one of those who thought I was too good to work on a farm, although I did have childhood businesses. How I regret that thought as I am now old and having to learn how to raise chickens and goats, grow food.

    I think I was a Sr in college before I made $7 an hour. The migrant workers (were US at the time) made $7 @ in the fields. Then came the mandate kids had to go to school. In all, the family was making more the $50 an hour with any kids working.

    I did attend school where a lot of farm kids went. Our school year was adjusted for crop planting and harvesting.

  • http://heisco.net Patriot II

    I used to whine about having to work on a tractor 12 hours a day 6 days a week when I was 12 thru 18 out in the Hot Blazing scorching Sun and get paid nothing for it. I still hold a chip on my shoulder about all the city kids who got to play or get jobs that paid them a wage. I hold all Citified people in low regard because of that, but I whine no more, I am proud of my heritage and Rural America and these big city devils gcan go straight to “the City”. cause “The City” is H_ ll to me. Who are they to impose their Ideals, I’d get them out in the field and work theri A_ _es of hauling Bails, and the way they impose their Morals with their PETA Communisat Bastard friends and think that a Kid is being abused by branding calves, that was the most fun of the dang year was branding time, now they want to take the fun away? and what about the Scietific part of Butchering our own beef? You think city kids get to Dig eye balls out of the Head of the Steers we just shot to butcher and get to examine them first hand? and what about the MIlk Cows jumping up when our cold hands touched their Teats on a 25 below Zero morning? Alot of Physics going on there! Casterating Pigs was a hoot! That why I have a lot of Hearing loss in mey ears today!

  • mickey

    I wonder how much of this is to protect kids from the effects of GMOs. I am surrounded by fields and hate for my animals to even be in those fields. The mice have gone, the bees disappeared.

    Or is it part of the amnesty to keep illegals in the fields and US not.

  • Ted Crawford

    They seem to be searching for yet another inroad to aid in their destruction of one of the primary pillars of our, already serverly damaged, Republic. If they can eliminate private property the Republic will suffer irrepairable damage!
    I’m not sure this country can stand another year of this administration!

  • mickey

    It just says farm work. I guess that would also include back yard gardens and suburban chicken raising.

  • martin

    Maybe they can learn all the jobs on the farm on their game boys and computers. Then when they turn 16 they will know all about how to farm operate all the equipment on the farm.

    • mickey

      About like when they turn 18 and find out cops are not their mommies.

  • http://liberyalearts john p.

    I WAS A CITY BOY ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS I WOULD WORK ON A FARM.
    AND I LOVED IT MILKING COWS BY HAND.AND BAILING HAY,DRIVING A
    TRACTOR PLOWING THE LAND.IT WAS HARD WORK BUT I ENJOYED IT. I
    DID IT FOR FREE JUST TO HELP THE PEOPLE. THEY WERE POOR MOST OF THERE MONEY WENT FOR FEED FOR THE ANIMALS THEY CAME FIRST. THE FARM IS GONE NOW. BUT I HAVE GOOD MEMOIRS OF WHAT I’VE DONE IN MY LIFE BACK THEN.
    OUR GOVERNMENT GOT TO STAY OUT OF OUR LIVES. THESE PEOPLE FOR GOT WHAT
    THEY ARE THERE FOR IN CONGRESS AND THE SENATE .THEY GOT TO GO THEY
    BEEN THERE TO LONG . THEY THINK THEY CAN DO RULE EVERYONE AND THERE
    ABOVE US BOTH SIDES . IF THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING THEY SHOULD IMPEACH
    THIS LOW LIFE OF A PRESIDENT .HE IS AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION IN
    AND HE TELLS EVERY ONE HE WILL DO ANYTHING HE WANT WITH OUT CONGRESS
    CONSENT . CALL YOUR CONGRESS PEOPLE TELL THEM TO START TO IMPEACH OBAMA . BEFORE THE ELECTIONS OR WE VOTE THEM OUT.

    • http://heisco.net Patriot II

      John p.; did you get paid for working on the farms?

      • Joe H.

        Patriotll
        He said he did it for FREE!!

  • http://na Jim

    This is a direct result of illegal child labor period. Since the media started doing stories on the immigrant farmer who is here illegally and brought there children to help them do the work. It has been taken advantage of by there employers. Thats why penalizing all of these employers of any business who knowingly hire illegals and treat them like slaves. Now the illegals and farmers from any country will utilize there children in various ways to help out. Remember an old phrase do your chores before play? This has only been proposed because it has drawn media attention. This is a big reason to severly and legislatively go after these employers. It is no wonder the DSL is from California where illegal labor is rampant. Close the borders, get rid of Anchor babies and throw these employers in Jail. This will create jobs, ingenuity and bring our American farmers back to where they belong.

  • http://www.fightingpatriot.com patriot ken

    Take a look what is really happening; the Feds want to take away the Family Farms and make them into a corporate farm. This is a way they can control what is grown, what we eat and what we pay for. The more that they can control the less freedom we have. This is called Socialism, and this is getting scary.

    Back in the 1950′s and 1960′s there were family farms everywhere, now most of the farms are corporate farms. The Socialist started taking over along time ago just like everything they do they do it slowly and methodically. They do it by regulating.

    • eddie47d

      It was private conglomerates who swallowed up small farms and forced them out of business. That is hardly socialism but capitalism working overtime to control your lives. Yes Capitalists are slowly and methodically eating us out of house and home. What do you think these big boys with lots of money do? They buy farms and make it so difficult on the small farmer that they can’t survive and are forced to sell.

      • http://www.fightingpatriot.com patriot ken

        It was private conglomerates who were taking over family farms, but look into it deeper. They were backed by corporate lobbyist. These lobbyist were paid by progressives. It started back in the early 1900′s while Wilson was president. This was called the Farm Bureau. The Farm Bureau wanted to use principles of the soil conservation bill by instructing states to take over the main functions of the former AAA, financed still by grants from the federal government and distributed by the secretary of agriculture. Then in 1938 provisions for restrictions on marketing in years of serious overproduction and penalties for farmers not staying within their quotas. Again more regulations. This is Big Government and Socialism.

      • eddie47d

        Interesting. So you are saying that capitalist corporations hire progressives to lobby for more benefits for their capitalists operations. That way they can continue what they are doing by blaming it on the government and thus socialism. That’s a heck of a merry go round you put us on!

        • http://www.fightingpatriot.com patriot ken

          No, it’s Progressives using Capitalism as a tool to continue taking our freedom.

          • Dave

            You couldn’t be more wrong. It is the Corporate who pushed his lobbyist who paid off all the politicians and took over. Corporate greed through and through. No Socialism here at all. Archer Midland and others own the corn you plant by decree of patent rights which were brought about by ……the reagan administration. They are respobsible for choking the family farm to death. Right wing corporate hustlers all.

          • s c

            patriot ken, ask ‘d’ if he can define ‘socialism.’ Ask him if a planned economy is a part of socialism. Ask him if has the slightest inkling as to what a socialist is. And THEN, ask that yahoo HOW MANY socialists are in Congress. I don’t think he has what it takes to give you any serious answers.

          • eddie47d

            There are no socialists in Congress only Democrats and Republicans and one Independent. No Libertarians either if you want to be truthful about it but I wouldn’t expect that from SC.

          • Opal the Gem

            “……if you want to be truthful about it but I wouldn’t expect that from SC.”

            The pot (eddie) calling the kettle black.

          • Joe H.

            Opal,
            Watch using that word!! eddie almost got in trouble because of it before!!! He thinks there’s only one deffinition for that word!!!

  • Buck

    If you want less government interference in you personal and private lives you will HVAE to vote for and ELECT RON PAUL for PRESIDENT .

  • Edmund Laing

    I was boren and raised on my fathers small farm and was working on as far back as I can remember, this work helpped me become a more productive citizen in all the indevers I got involved with.

    Iwas not like most of the uths today that livein cities and think that the world ows them a living without having to woork for it. I feel that this restriction will cause this country to loose a great training tool that teaches the yuth of today the valu to work for what they earn insted of wellfare atc to get money to survive.

  • http://liberyalearts john p.

    PATRIOT II . FOR FREE MEANS NO MONEY. I WAS NOT PAID FOR HELPING
    THESE PEOPLE. BE SIDES IF THEY WOULD HAVE GIVEN ME MONEY. I WOULD
    HAVE GIVEN IT BACK TO THEM.THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE WAS GREAT.

  • CoCowboy

    I guess the alternative is to let the spicks in so that they can do the work for less… Obama’s plan B

  • Rick

    Remember this: If you don’t like it, you have a vote.

    2012 – TIME TO TAKE OUT THE TRASH

    • pam

      It is said that WE the PEOPLE have a vote, if we truly did then half of the poeple in office would not be there. Those already in office have the final say an they are the one that choose who they think will best kiss their a—!

  • pam

    As for the new child labor law, this is not a wise thing. Start complaining now people for the little bit of morals that the children have now are from parents who teach their children the responsability of being a good hard worker an the value of work, which keeps these children from getting into trouble. Think about it when is the be time to teach children – the government says they have to start pre-school when they are 3 or 4 years of age an start school at the age of 5 an now they are saying that a child can’t do certain things at the house for the parents to pay the bills ( that keep rising ) or to put food on the table. This needs to be stoped!!!!!!!!!!! Where is the constitution, where are our rights as human beings, where are our rights to live. They are taking away everything that we fought so hard to protect. An what a way to hit hard our children!

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