Kill Obamacare Before It Kills You!

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“Give me liberty, or give me death!”  When Patrick Henry proclaimed that to the Virginia Convention, he could not have imagined that it would resonate so loudly 238 years later.

Last Friday, Republicans in the House of Representatives felt those words, believed in those words and acted on those words. They defunded Obamacare.

By a vote of 230-189, the House passed a budget measure that will cease all funding for Obamacare. The Republican majority had the courage to say that Obamacare — that socialized-bastard brand of medicine — must cease. It simply must, because it is killing the economy and soon it could be killing you.

The sad news is that the Democratic-led Senate will save President Barack Obama’s Frankenstein regardless of the evil it will create. It is the centerpiece of Obama’s legacy, and many Democrats in Congress hitched their wagon to him and to Obamacare four years ago.

Primum Non Nocere, ‘First, Do No Harm’

Yes, my friends, it is politics as usual for the Democrats who always feel for the poor but never feel poor. These Democrats visit exclusive health clinics, have the home cellphone numbers of their personal physicians and visit plastic surgeons as often as they see their dry cleaners.

Since I am on the subject of House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, I must mention she was rampaging against House Republicans last week.

POLITICO reported:

Striking a tone of disgust, House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi ridicules the GOP as obsessed with its loathing of President Obama and hell-bent on hurting him politically, regardless the cost. She assigns little to no blame to the president (even though Democrats privately say that’s laughable) and instead portrays him as saintly, above reproach and the victim of jealousy or something worse.

After 26 years in the House, she says, “I haven’t seen anything like it. I haven’t seen anything like it.”

“You know why it is,” she said. “You know why it is. He’s brilliant, … he thinks in a strategic way in how to get something done … and he’s completely eloquent. That’s a package that they don’t like.”

Don’t Be Messing With Obama

Not true, Ms. Pelosi. (Also, you might see your doctor soon, because you repeat yourself.) What the majority of Americans don’t like is the dreadful leadership displayed by your President. And they especially don’t like Obamacare, a program that is already doing great harm to an ill economy.

The President also offered his own eloquent comments after Friday’s defeat. They were hardly the prose of Winston Churchill or Abraham Lincoln. To a crowd at a Ford plant in Kansas City, the President said this about the House of Representatives: “They’re focused on politics; they’re focused on trying to mess with me.”

Could it instead be, Mr. President, that the opposition wants to “mess” with your program and not with you? Why must it always be about you, sir, your ego and your place in history? Can you not consider what is happening to America because of your horrific leadership? Or do you believe that anyone who asks that is just wants to mess with you, the way fans mess with NBA superstar LeBron James?

Because even this writer can see there is something to mess with. Investor’s Business Daily reported that at least 301 businesses have laid off thousands of employees and are slashing workers’ hours to avoid government fines and penalties because of the healthcare mandate. It has become just as critics said it would happen under the Affordable Care Act, which mandates employers provide health insurance. It is forcing thousands of businesses to slash jobs.

It is also true that Obama said that the Affordable Care Act would lower healthcare costs. Not so, said a report from Medicare’s Office of the Actuary. Their projection is that U.S. healthcare spending will jump by 6.1 percent next year. That is 2 percent more expensive than the increase predicted by the Obama Administration.

No wonder Americans are growing dead set against Obamacare. Just last week, a poll from USA Today and the Pew Research Center found that 53 percent of people disapprove of Obamacare and Obama’s entire approach to healthcare. Both polls are at record highs.

Living And Dying With Socialized Medicine

A lifetime of experience tells me that even fewer Americans are going to like Obamacare after it has been imposed on them. I can sum it up by explaining what happened to me last week and how I feared I might not be able to write you today.

Twice in my life, I’ve had severe chest pains. Both times, I was swimming.

The first time I was at the Spokane Club doing high intensity training (H.I.T) with the master’s swim team. It amounted to wind sprints up and down the pool to make us faster. I retired my swim cap after one Friday afternoon in 1997 when my heart rate soared uncontrollably. My wife picked me up from the pool and took me to Rockwood Clinic. In minutes, I had a cardiologist hooking me up to an EKG machine and a nurse giving me an aspirin and testing my blood to see if I was having a heart attack. I got the results while I was there and was told nothing to worry about. I was suffering tachycardia, which is when the heart beats dangerously fast.

These past few months I’ve taken up swimming again. I work out with my daughter and her boyfriend at a Calgary public pool. After weeks of base training, I had forgotten about what happened all those years ago in Spokane or that I am now 16 years older and 40 pounds heavier then I was then.

I had three of us do H.I.T. training. We finished up by racing the last 50 meters. When we stopped, my daughter gave me a worried look and tried to take my pulse. She could not get it. After I changed, I went outside to the parking lot and began to vomit violently. I couldn’t catch my breath, so my wife rushed me to the emergency room at the Rockyview General Hospital. Even as I gasped for air, the triage nurse would not look at me. When my wife, who had once worked at that hospital, complained, she was told that the emergency room was “very busy.”

I didn’t want to die on some cot in a hallway. And that kind of thing happens too often in Canada. In Winnipeg, Manitoba, a man named Brian Sinclair died during his 34-hour wait to see a doctor at an emergency health clinic. The medical examiner said that he had been dead for a couple hours before the clinic staff even noticed him.

Because of such stories and my own personal experiences with socialized medicine I begged my wife to take me home. Once she measured my pulse at a reasonable 110 beats per minute, she did take me home. I continued to improve throughout the night. The next morning, we lined up for two hours at a nearby doctor’s clinic. I was one of the 60 or 70 patients the doctor would see that day. The good news is that the doctor said my heart seems to be “OK,” whatever that means. And he gave me an appointment to go see a cardiologist — in February.

I choose to live in Canada because of my career and my family. As for my health, I have become rather fatalistic. My hospital visit reminded me that it is my responsibility to take better care of myself and to not depend on Canada’s healthcare system.

Yet you, my friends, can be proactive. And it all starts by supporting those in Congress who oppose Obamacare. The future of the Nation, and perhaps your life, depends on defeating this abomination.

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers

Personal Liberty

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • MichaelZZ

    HEALTH
    CARE

    FOOD FOR THOUGHT:

    Does everyone have an
    altruistic “right” to health care, and, if so, why?

    Does a society have a
    pragmatic economic rationale to provide health care for all its citizens?

    PROBLEM: Escalating health care costs, and the insecurities
    of the populace regarding health care.

    PROVENANCE: Greed, inefficiencies, ignorance, etceteras

    1) Greed includes fraud on the part of providers and
    patients: controls and severe penalties should be legislated to mitigate.

    2) Inefficiencies include, but are not limited to,
    inefficient utilization of personnel, equipment and facilities, administrative
    overhead, and profit motive on steroids.

    3) Ignorance on the part of providers and patients can
    be mitigated by a massive computerization of information, i.e., the “mind” of
    the computer is vastly superior to providers and should be made available to
    patients and providers.

    4) Etceteras to include, but not be limited to, better
    nutrition, responsibilities and behavior of recipients of health care, and
    preventative care.

    RESOLUTION: To be determined, subsequent to analyzing the
    problem

    DISCUSSION

    I believe that the Obama
    Administration is correct in recognizing that the accelerating cumulative costs
    of health care in our nation must be addressed.

    Since we know where we are
    regarding this problem, most energies should be devoted to determining where we
    should be.

    We must analyze the
    logistics and economics for the purpose of determining the most efficient and
    effective method of delivering health care, cost effectively.

    First, a decision must be
    made as to who will bear the burden of the costs of health care.

    The possibilities include
    businesses, the recipients of health care services, or the government.

    If it were determined that
    all costs should be borne by businesses, the good would be that employees would
    receive health care at no cost, whereas the bad would be that the costs of
    providing health care would be included in the costs of goods and services
    produced, which would necessitate higher selling prices for those goods and
    services than if there were no health care costs.

    For those businesses that
    compete against similar businesses in other nations, their ability to compete
    would be adversely affected versus if they did not have the burden of those
    health care costs.

    Within a competitive world
    economy, the United States of America should be considered as U.S.A., Inc. and
    would be competing against Japan, Inc., China, Inc., et cetera, thus it would
    make pragmatic economic sense to mitigate costs of goods produced.

    If it were determined that
    all costs should be borne by the recipients of health care services, economic
    pressures would be placed upon businesses to increase employees’ remuneration
    to enable them to pay for their health care, thus whether the costs are paid by
    businesses or employees, the cost to produce goods will include the cost of
    health care.

    If it were determined that
    all health care costs should be borne by the government, the good would be that
    all employees would have health care, and businesses would have their costs to
    produce goods and services devoid of any health care costs, while the bad would
    be that the government would inherit the obligation to fund these massive
    health care costs. An incredibly
    important benefit would be the sense of security of the populace, which would
    affect all other aspects of their lives.

    The transitioning from where
    we are to where we should be would cause serious upheavals and dislocations,
    e.g., employment reconfigurations, but subsequently we will have sophisticated
    and fine-tuned our current disparate montage of health care to an efficient and
    cost-effective system for the delivery of health care.

    Our leaders are involved in
    the process of searching for the correct paradigm regarding the delivery of
    health care for our nation.
    Unfortunately, they appear to be in a triage quagmire effort rather than
    resolving to discover the appropriate paradigm. They are attempting to reconfigure a condemned edifice, rather
    than tearing down the walls and allowing the light of day to expose truth.

    Economics, rather than
    politics, religion, et cetera must be the leading factor directing our leaders
    to the correct paradigm, i.e., where we should be.

    QUESTIONS:

    1) Should we have a comprehensive economic environmental
    impact study done regarding any potential solution?

    2) Should health insurance benefits be taxed, e.g., is
    it equitable to have two “theoretically” identical employees working for two
    different companies doing the same work, making the same remuneration, being
    charged with the same taxable income, when one has $14,000 of health insurance
    and the other does not?

    MZ

    Last modified: 02/25/10

    • larrylunts

      TASTY SNACKS FOR THOUGHT:

      1) THINGS THAT I FIND ANNOYING, BUT YET, SOMEWHAT FUNNY:
      a) random lists of things, with inexplicable
      line
      breaks.
      b) attempts to control and limit the conversation by excluding
      information that does not support the author’s point of view!
      c) I forgot where I was going with this.

      • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear larrylunts,

        You write: ” attempts to control and limit the conversation by excluding information that does not support the author’s point of view!” And this has happened to you… when?

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • larrylunts

          I think it was last Thursday.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear larrylunts,

            I think you are mistaken. If you were moderated it was because you violated the comment policy. But I think you’re being less than truthful. But feel free to direct me to conversation.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • larrylunts

            I’m not sure about the date. But it was definitely on a website where we were discussing irony, and satire, and how those issues might apply to online dialogue, such as this.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear larrylunts,

            I am not responsible for other websites. However, we encourage discussion and opposing viewpoints. Abide by the comment policy and you won’t be moderated.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • larrylunts

            Thank you, Bob.

            Now, I won’t have to post my comments about that (censored) (censored) Nadzieja, who I was about to tell to (censored) my (censored).

          • Jana

            I know you really think you are funny, but you aren’t. You are not a gentleman and you are pathetic!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So you are lying. You have been bopping from one Conservative and Libertarian site to another and you have lost track of where you have been.

          • larrylunts

            Well, I guess you caught me. Wait a minute; where are we? Rupert Jee, from NYC, was just about to respond to my funny video about cats.

  • septes

    This crap law is the one that is breaking the camels back. There is not one person in D.C. that gives a damn about the population. All of these clowns are what is in it for me. We as cattle are too stupid to put one foot in front of another. Starting with John Mc Cain who the hell are you??? You show up more of a person that wants this country brought down. WHAT IS YOUR TAKE????? yOU SIR ARE NOT CLEAN BY A LONG SHOT. YOU SHOULD DO JAIL TIME FOR WHAT YOU HAVE STOLEN FROM OUR NATION. REID that ass whipe he needs to get a job as a bag boy that way you can handle all the food you want. You are so close to being one of the sickest person in the Senate,do the world a favor lie down and wait on the grimm reaper. You look about ripe. Pelosi is another one you cannont tell where bamas ass stops and pelosi starts. The only difference between the two is where that old B–ch ends They should rename her molker or parriot she has the nose for it and her lips are so tight they may hurt what ever pendage is touched by them.Get rid of these three and the Nation Might just survive. GOD BLESS THIS GREAT NATION. AND PRAY

    • larrylunts

      Jesus, dude. Take an Ambien and lie down. Everything will seem better in the morning.

      • septes

        iF YOU HAVEN’T the whole damn country is on ambien. Don’t you want them to wake the hell up??? That is what put this country where it is today. Trust anyone in goverenment and this is what you get. I did not serve to sell my country down the drain. if you can’t see it take off the blinders.

        • larrylunts

          Just relax. It might take up to an hour to kick in. If you still feel as angry in the morning; then we can talk.

      • rhcrest

        Yeah that’s the problem. The whole country is drugged up on all these medications. It’s ridiculous and you are encouraging more of it.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The advice can also be applied to you. So take your own advice, take that Ambien whose purpose you seem to know about and miracle of miracles you may wake up refreshed and a Conservative or a Libertarian.

    • MargaretJacobson

      I wish Nancy Pelosi would retire , take her pension. Go away. Just don’t come back to Baltimore city ! Don’t even visit !

      • septes

        In the 1960s I workrd on the inner harbor. Across the street from USF&G. I would look up to see only one of two ships in thr first Navy What pride we felt looking at her there day after day. I’m afraid pride like that is leaving our Nation and will have to fight hard to bring it back. Please let pelosi come back take her on a trip to Ft. McHenry and see if there is a spark of pride in her. If not make her swim back.

        • liz

          From what I have seen, this Administration is trying to make sure you never have that kind of pride in our Country again. That is why O’Bama went around apologizing for our Country to anyone that would listen, he is a joke and doesn’t deserve to visit the White House much less live in it…

          • larrylunts

            The United States has a lot of things it should be apologizing for. Human slavery. Genocide against native-American populations, from whom most of the country was stolen.

            If you’re a typical reader of this website, you’ve already tuned out by now, so it’s okay for me to talk about anything I want to.

            Did you see the new “Star Trek” movie? Personally, I don’t like the new cast, introduced in the previous film, except for Zachary Quinto, who I find to be a credible inheritor of the “Spock” legacy. SPOILER ALERT: Original Spock, or “Spock Prime,” or whatever the hell else they’re calling Leonard Nimoy’s highly paid cameos these days, makes a brief appearance!

          • liz

            I have a job and can’t sit on this site all day like you can, Unless your job is to respond and insult. Everyone has a right to an opinion but not to insult in the process. Yes, I am going off line so don’t bother to respond!!!!

          • larrylunts

            Liz, I never respond to offline offers, and besides, I don’t have $500 to spare. Would you be open to $148?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            If you offer an opinion then be prepared to defend your opinion otherwise it is vapor. You have some Dem/Prog/Leftist snarling and puffing up how big and fierce he/she is and the Conservatives and Libertarians quiver.

          • FreedomFighter
          • larrylunts

            I’m sorry. I didn’t realize anyone else was still reading.
            What I meant was, “Yeah? Tell Odumbo to shove it! Semper Fi! Live free or die hard! Don’t tread on me!” Okay, that’s probably enough.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Larry says — “The United States has a lot of things it should be apologizing for”.
            Why? Are any living folks responsible for those things, Larry? You Liberal Progressives can’t even be responsible for yourselves, and you want us to be responsible for something people 150 years ago did?

          • larrylunts

            Well, if you would prefer some more recent atrocities, how about dropping bombs from 5 miles up in the sky on cities where “collateral damage” is guaranteed? How about inventing a nice and fuzzy sounding term like “collateral damage” to describe shredding and tearing apart the bodies of innocent civilians, women, and children included, in our never-ending war against “terrorism?” How about propping up tinpot dictators who assure us a steady supply of oil, until we decide that we don’t like them, and then we kill them, too? How about giving Monsanto free reign to poison our fields and impose monoculture on us, and deny us the right to even know what is in our food; when some new virus inevitably will lead to widespread global starvation?

            Jesus, this is like shooting fish in a barrel. Please, take your head out of your butt, or at least assure me that you’ve been sterilized, and that there is no chance of you passing on your ignorant genes to another generation.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Larry says — “Well, if you would prefer some more recent atrocities, how about dropping bombs from 5 miles up in the sky on cities where “collateral damage” is guaranteed?”.
            That was wrong, Larry, but what’s that got to do with me or others who had nothing to do with it? Are you then critical of Obama and his Drone attacks, Larry?
            http://www.alternet.org/world/its-time-put-stop-us-drone-attacks-against-kids

            Larry says — “How about giving Monsanto free reign to poison our fields and impose monoculture on us, and deny us the right to even know what is in our food”.
            Who promotes that, Larry, but your Big Government? The Big Government that Liberal Progressives support? What are you doing to get Government out of our Marketplaces, Larry?
            I vote Libertarian. We believe in Free Markets and voluntary contracts. Who do you vote for, Larry, who would remedy Crony Capitalism? Did you vote for Ron Paul? Did you vote for Gary Johnson?

            Larry says — “Jesus, this is like shooting fish in a barrel”.
            Holy Mackerel, Larry, you are not only dumber than dirt, you are a typical Liberal Progressive.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            “are you suggesting that citizens who do nothing while their leaders do bad things in their name, are blameless”?
            That is a non-sequitur, Larry. They are certainly not responsible for the actions of others, especially if they didn’t even vote for that Gang.
            Whether you vote for Democrats or Republicans, Larry, you are voting to help yourself to other people’s Money and Freedom.
            There is only one Party that comes close to being pure of heart and that is the Libertarian Party.

          • NC

            liz, you and your cohorts here live a life that begins each day with anger, hate and fear spiced with unproven conspiracies and propaganda.
            There is pride in this country! Pride that we have never been taxed into poverty! Pride that our government has never let out poor die in the streets. Pride in a creation that millions in other countries come here to enjoy.Do you think they are dumb? Would you care to change places with them and live where they came from?
            Nothing in the Constitution or life in general promises perfection. The Constitution allows the 0.09% Libertarians to bitch! It does not allow them to govern!
            Have a nice day!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Pelosi was foisted on the country, now what particular State and City or Town would you like punished with Pelosi.

        • MargaretJacobson

          Mexico City , Mexico ? Anyplace outside the USA !

        • larrylunts

          Heh, heh. “Punished with Pelosi.” I know what you mean by that. If you can get together with Liz, it’s possible I might be able to come up with the whole $500, or at least most of it. But you would have to tell me, upfront, what I was getting for my money.

  • larrylunts

    Well, this just shows that House Republicans are a bunch of clueless numbnuts, who couldn’t be elected to the position of village idiot, if they had to run on their actual record.

    How about this: instead of voting for the 45th, or the 103rd time, or whatever we’re up to now, for the dog-and-pony-show to repeal Obamacare; why don’t they just agree to donate their taxpayer-provided salaries, along with the enormous bribes they get from the Koch Brothers, Monsanto, and other right-wing corporate sources; to the United States Treasury? Oh, wait. That would clear up the national debt, overnight; and possibly cause the financial markets to get the vapors. Never mind.

    • rhcrest

      Why do you exclude the Democrats and and all the bribes they get from George Soros and his ilk?

      • larrylunts

        I don’t. Let all the members of Congress donate their taxpayer provided salaries, and their massive corporate bribes, to the national treasury. I’ve always thought that elected officials should be forced to wear NASCAR-styled jackets, with prominent patches illustrating their sponsorships, so that we could get a better idea of who is paying them to stuff corporate-funded legislation up our butts.

        • larrylunts

          That being said, it’s important to remember that of the two major parties, the Republicans are hopelessly corrupted, and they deserve to die, as useless tools of major corporations; while the Democrats at least have a modicum of shame.

          Imagine both parties as clients of the same pimp. Republicans are actively engaged in threesomes, and foursomes, and ninesomes; and so on. Their idea of success would be a guest spot on Law and Order: SVU, as a headless victim. On that same show, Democrats would be that innocent teenage girl from Muncie, Indiana, who accidentally got swept up because she was in the neighborhood after she got off from the bus station after a 36-hour ride from Muncie.

          The point here is that both parties are damaged goods, but that one of them (the Republicans) are hopelessly corrupted, and deserves to be put down, like a rabid dog (for their own sake as well as our own), while the other party (the Democrats) deserve care and rehabilitation that only tough campaign finance laws can provide. Won’t you chip in, and make this possible?

          • stopspending4

            So nice to have a thoughtful, productive conversation with the left – ” the Republicans are hopelessly corrupted, and they deserve to die” Typical name calling from you and your leaders. NOTHING will get accomplished unless and until the leftist leadership stops the name calling, begins a civil conversation, opens up their mind to negotiation. O has said many. many times that he will not negotiate, he will not compromise. He has no experience as a leader and has not learned how to work with differing views. Strangely, all the past pres have been able to hammer out deals yet this Pres can only blame the other side for his failures. This is what happens when we, the people, elect a “community organizer” that only has experience strong arming others rather than working out a deal. From your hate filled comments, it is obvious you have no desire to listen or learn, just a desire to try and destroy anyone that has a different opinion. It is too bad your leadership is not teaching its followers to listen and discuss.

          • larrylunts

            Doo dah, doo dah. Of course, not many Presidents in American history have been hampered by a pledge from the disloyal opposition, from the very eve of their inauguration, to destroy them.

            Have you been in a coma for the last four years? Obama has done everything he could, short of sucking their c**ks on national television, to please those Republicans. In fact, he has bent over so far backwards, that I wanted to slap him senseless, and tell him to grow a pair.

          • stopspending4

            You still can not get past the name calling. The present Reps are no different than the years of past politicians. As a group, unfortunately, all politicians have changed very little. The difference this time is in the individual, Obama, who has no experience either as a leader or working with others – except to strong arm and threaten. You can try to blame it on others all you want but it does not fly. Time for you and O to put on their big boy pants and take some personal responsibility. There will be no civil discussion until O looks in the mirror and realizes he has some weaknesses that he should address before throwing rocks in a glass house.

          • larrylunts

            Boy, you have clearly been in a coma for the last five years. Obama has been in such a bend-me-over-and-give-it-to-me-up the-backside position with the Republicans that my friends and I, who had hopes of another FDR, but realizing that we were just getting another Neville Chamberlain, were on the verge of giving up hope, and voting for the Green Party, or some other equally hopeless candidate for the Presidency.

            In 1968, I got “Clean for Gene.” I’m not ashamed of that, but it did me an instructive lesson on how you can never trust a person whose job security depends upon people who gives them money.

            Why don’t you just unplug FOX NEWS and Rush Limbaugh for a week, and go to some AA meetings? Then, we can talk.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You are doing exactly what the Dems/Progs/Leftists want you to do and that is fold up when they name call. If you are a Conservative or a Libertarian your brain is used for thinking, but your response to the Dem/Prog/Name calling is emotional and emotions take up more time to dissipate and reverse back to thinking. The Dems/Progs/Leftists love wasting your time.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Except you seem to be closer to O’s private pair than even his wife how else would you know their size.
            All your rage and fury is just a lot of emotional hot air.

          • larrylunts

            Gee, I don’t have any personal knowledge or information about their size. I just assumed that he, as a man, who had had children, had a pair. Over the years, as he constantly tried to communicate with Republicans, and to get some real problems solved for the American people; and the Republicans continued to tell him and the American people to “Go f*** yourselves,” I began to doubt my initial assumption. Just sayin’.

          • FreedomFighter

            Sympathy for the devil?
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtPmt2Ja1So

            Laus DeoSemper FI

          • larrylunts

            Didn’t I see you today, at the reception? With a glass of wine in your hand?

          • Maxx

            Really? Like how he refused to answer Republican Senator Rand Paul when he asked if the Prez would use drones to kill American citizens on American soil? or how he stated weeks later that he could use drones on American citizens on American soil? This guy is your champion? You are not even intelligent enough to speak on or aware enough of the evil of your own party to be worth speaking to.

          • Maxx

            Really? Like how he refused to answer Republican Senator Rand Paul when he asked if the Prez would use drones to kill American citizens on American soil? or how he stated weeks later that he could use drones on American citizens on American soil? This guy is your champion? You are not even intelligent enough to speak on or aware enough of the evil of your own party to be worth speaking to.

          • nc

            Maxx,LAW ENFORCEMENT with the authority have killed American citizens on American soil for years! It’s call protecting the people. Or as the preamble to the Constitution calls it providing “domestic tranquility” “FOR THE PEOPLE!”
            The President of the USA has a sworn duty to protect the people of the USA! If it takes fighter jets he can use fighter jets! If it takes drones it takes drones!

            He has no obligation however to make Rand Paul a talking point! Not in the Constitution! You do want him to follow the Constitution don’t you???

          • larrylunts

            Neville Chamberlain tried that “civil conversation” approach in 1938, and it didn’t work out that well for him. Or the world.

            Out of curiosity, how would you approach “compromise”with 1938 Hitler? “Okay, you can kill 4 million Jews, but absolutely no more than that.”

          • stopspending4

            Obviously, yo do not have any more leadership experience than our community organizer. EVERY experienced leader knows there is a time to talk and a time to take action. Since i understand this and obviously you do not, here is the answer to your question.
            You stop negotiating/talking and take action when the other side steps over the “red line”. Killing for the sake of ethnic cleansing is over the line. Now, can you try to explain this basic principal to your beloved leader???

          • chocopot

            You are a sick puppy.

          • NC

            Stopspending, you are in total denial of the opposition this President has faced since the day he took office> Where do you think the term “the Party of No” originated? Could someone have seen what you deny?? Does “We will ruin the economy of this country if necessary to make him a one term President ring a bell? How in hell do you “hammer out a deal” with people with an attitude like that?
            They want him to surrender! He wasn’t elected to surrender! Would you want “your leader” to surrender to the opposition just because they asked??
            I had two hernia operations in two years. I had insurance!
            Do some research on what those two operations would have cost IN CASH to a family man of four with No insurance! What kind of non-executive has that kind of cash reserve while raising a family
            Hernias are quite common among the “heavy lifting” laborers> Wages are quite low among the “heavy lifting” laborers. INURANCE PREMIUMS ARE VERY HIGH ! A DEADLY COMBINATION TO THE AMERICAN DREAM!
            IS THERE A WAY TO “REFORM” THIS SITUATION OR MUST WE JUST LIVE WITH IT? LIKE THE MASS SHOOTINGS OF OUR CITIZENS AND THEIR CHILDREN??

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Name calling from the Dems/Progs/Leftists has a more detrimental affect on the opposition because they have been indoctrinated that we must never call anybody a name or say anything bad about them. Equate the name calling by the Dems/Progs/Leftists to the snarling, growling and biting and tearing by animal predators and you will find the courage to defend and stand your ground.

          • FreedomFighter

            “That being said, it’s important to remember that of the two major parties, the Republicans are hopelessly corrupted, and they deserve to die, as useless tools of major corporations; while the Democrats at least have a modicum of shame.”
            Divisional Alinsky tactics will fail on this website, most are well past the R and D game. Your amateurish and easily dismissed psycho-gibberish has failed in its intent, yet succeeded in demonstration of how hopelessly brainwashed some people can be.
            Get off the meds, turn off the TV, heal yourself.
            Laus DeoSemper FI

          • larrylunts

            You say po-tay-to; I say po-tah-to.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Got caught with the comment and your Dem/Prog/Leftist ideological bent, now you are backpeddling.

          • larrylunts

            That was one of my best strokes, in the 1984 Los Angeles Summer Olympics. Did you see me on TV? I was awarded a Bronze medal, for the US team! You might be able to find it on youtube.com.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Envious and greedy and malicious and lying thief would be my description of you. Why doesn’t O and Pelosi and Reid, Gates, and all those super wealthy Dems/Progs/Leftists stick their hands into their own pockets and support you monetarily. But they won’t because they want to keep as much of the money as they can for themselves and giving it to you it will be just pissed away.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Clear up the National Debt by donating their salaries and bribes? Clearly, there is a good reason you vote for Liberal Progressives, Larry. You have no concept at all of big numbers. I think my 13-year-old Grandson could outdo you in a Math quiz.

      • larrylunts

        Wow. Clearly, you have a keen understanding of irony.

  • Debbie Hogan Tate

    Obamacare for everyone, no subsidies and no exemptions! All or None! Obama, Biden, Congress, House, Senate, all the alphabet departments, EVERYONE or NO ONE!! Why should the working class be mandated to have this and the government is exempt? ALL or NONE! They made this law, let them also live with it! Shove it down THEIR throats like they are trying to do to us! ALL or NONE!!

    • larrylunts

      I vote for ALL. Or, better yet, just lower the age of Medicare eligibility from 65, to birth. Problem solved!

      • Mike

        Wow, your smart meter lets you sleep until 4 AM…lucky you

        • larrylunts

          I’m sorry! My computer beeps whenever a new email come in. Can you give me a few minutes to wake up and have a cup of coffee? Or, better yet, can I just email you back in the morning? I have to get up at 8:45 anyway, to move my car to the other side of the street.

          • FreedomFighter

            Found you on Utube! Origin of Larrylunts — sing along with LarryThe Pirates Who Don’t Do Anything http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaWU1CmrJNc&list=PL0ldcVVw-GyUsDa-VCJyxCQxfRQo6iKom
            Laus DeoSemper FI

          • larrylunts

            Wow, that’s really clever, how you found a random video on the internet that has nothing in common with me except for a first name! Are you a professional comedy writer?

          • larrylunts

            Wow, that’s really clever, how you found a random video on the internet that has nothing in common with me except for a first name! Are you a professional comedy writer?

          • FreedomFighter

            Yes…you are correct. Only…imagining you named yourself on the internet larrylunts a silly song singing pickle in a pirate hat was priceless. Thought it might be some inside joke. If it wasn’t, it is now.
            Laus DeoSemper FI

    • dan

      I woke at 4am thinking exactly that ! I sure hope the rest of my day goes a little better….

      • Mike

        I will get this right soon. Wow, your smart meter lets you sleep until 4 AM…lucky you.

        • dan

          mostly Milo has to go out,lol…soon it will be to poke the fire before he comes back in

    • Jana

      The Government is exempt, Muslims are exempt, and whoever else Obama gave exemptions to, which by the way he had no legal authority to do so, but he did, and was never ever even called on it. He gave those exemptions out pretty freely when he was trying to get that bill passed.

  • sherriww

    I wanted to leave just another point of view,with all entitled to their own opinion.Though it will need to be “tweaked”along the way,we need healthcare for all.Obamacare is simply a start to cover millions who need care,and simply cannot receive that care at costly ER rooms all the time,while all of us pay their bill.And,if you should get some big illness like cancer,you cannot get treatment to save yr life,without ins.,just a fact.When my one yr old grandson got cancer,because his dad has great insurance,we were able to take him to the best hosp in the country,and today he is in college,becoming a doctor himself!Without ins,that would not have been possible.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      WHY? How is your grandson any of the taxpayers business? Throwing in this phony sob story to make any negative responders villains will not work anymore. Nice try parasite.

    • chocopot

      Show me where in the 18 enumerated powers given to the federal government in our Constitution it states anything about health care. The answer is it does not. Any government involvement in health care, assuming there should be any at all, should be at the state level. This entire matter is a fraud, just like the clown in the WH.

      • KG

        We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

        Section. 3….he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed…

        section 8, clause 18:
        The Congress shall have Power – To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

        • chocopot

          I do not know what your point may be, but you did not provide anything to counter my statement.

          • Jana

            He never does.

          • KG

            You showed your ignorance of what the Constitution actually says by saying “The answer is it does not.” I am only pointing out your ineptitude and lack of understanding by pointing out what the Document actually says rather than what I would want it to say (like most Right-wing/Republican/Libertarian/Nazis believe).

            Why not read it for yourself instead of through teabagged eyes.

          • chocopot

            You are an ignorant a$$hole and unworthy of a polite response. Your name-calling is a reflection of exactly what you are. I will no longer respond to your left-wing rants. It is you who are the Nazi.

          • larrylunts

            What is this a$$hole I’ve been hearing so much about? If it involves investment opportunities, then I’d like to hear more!

          • Kuurus

            It’s fairly simple Choc big government apologists have agreed the term “General Welfare” actual means the welfare of each individual. I and many others think it meant of the Nation made up of States instead.

          • chocopot

            The Federalist Papers make it very clear that “general welfare” means the general conditions within the country, that the federal government was/is responsible for maintaining safe and stable conditions to ensure that people could go about their business without having to worry about all sorts of things. It was an overall, national thing, not an individual thing.

          • chocopot

            I will no longer respond to a lying ignoramus like you.

      • larrylunts

        Two places: In the preamble it states “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote THE GENERAL WELFARE, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” And also in the taxing and spending clause.

        The Constitution was purposefully written so as to be kind of non-specific, so that it could be seen as a set of guiding principles, rather than a straightjacket of binding rules that might, I don’t know, allow the NRA to insist that insane people cannot be denied unlimited access to multi-round ammunition clips.

        • chocopot

          Another left-wing dunce who likes to cite the General Welfare clause. “General Welfare,” as cited in the Constitution, has nothing to do with “welfare” as we know it today. Welfare as you think of it today was an unknown at the time the Constitution was written. They did not have every lazy slug around going on the public dole since there was no public dole. Try reading The Federalist Papers and learn what “General Welfare” means: that the federal government was/is responsible for creating and maintaining conditions that would allow the average citizen to go about his business without having to worry about interference in day-to-day survival. You cited it yourself: “secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.” That does not mean taking taxpayer money to run programs that the federal government has no business being involved in.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Here the Father of the Constitution — James Madison — shreds that ignorant Liberal Progressive logic:
          http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/federalist-papers/federalist-paper-41-general-view-of-the-powers-conferred-by-the-constitution

          The Anti-Federalists knew that such wording would lead to nothing but abuse by those seeking absolute Power:
          http://mises.org/daily/2335

    • Don 2

      Ironically, a female cancer survivor and physician stated in an interview on FOX News this morning that “cancer victims” are a group that will suffer the most when seeking treatment under Obamacare.

      • nc

        Don 2, how strange that two people who don’t like the HCA would show up on Faux noise! NOT!!!!!!! I am really surprised that you would be watching it!! NOT!!!!!!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          You are one twisted old man, NutCase.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      I need a new SUV, sherriww. Would you buy one for me?

  • 4lifeandfreedom

    Your experience is first hand, but will be termed “anecdotal,” so it does not count, right? No amount of forewarning is going to keep us from the horrendous impact of the 2500 page+ bill that the so-called representatives of the American people passed on the whimsical statement of plastic-face Pelosi, the darling of Obama’s puppets, because she is so stupid. Oh wait–those who follow her lead are the really stupid ones! Ted Cruz is still standing this morning, after an all-nighter that would have had Harry Reid crumpled up on the Senate floor after 10 minutes!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      What will Ted Cruz want for his benevolence and messiahship?

  • Mike

    So, for the 42nd time the house has voted down Obama care…nice theater for those not really paying attention. It seem their votes are about as meaningless as ours.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Because Ocare is a done deal, it has been cooking for many years with revisions to tweak it and it is now to be foisted on America. The people who think they will be happiest with it is the ones who believe that they will not have to pay for their grocery list of ailments. The usual let some other sucker pay because it is owed them. But there is cost and a price for everything and the governmental powers will want something in return for their benevolence.

  • mark

    Why don’t the House Republicans just vote every single day to repeal the Affordable Care Act – or even better every single hour? It seems to make them and their Tea Party supporters happy, it seems to make them feel important. But as we all know, it is totally meaningless and irrelevant. This is the perfect daily exercise for an irrelevant party and an irrelevant movement. Rock on, Tea Partiers. Newsflash: with a Democratic majority in the Senate and a Democrat President with veto power, repeal will never pass. But this doesn’t really matter to the Republican House or to Harvard elitist Cruz, right? Because when you live in a make-believe world, reality never matters.

    • stopspending4

      YOur comments are so silly and shallow. This is why there can be no meaningful discussions. When the left opens their minds to other thoughts and stops the name calling, the country might be able to move ahead. O and his kool aide drinkers pushed through Obamacare without taking any input from those with suggestions for improvement. Now they must prove to themselves that this is a great program. Along the way, they also had to exempt large groups, make large concessions, delay implementation. All these goodies were only given to their cronies and political contributors, not to the hard working middle class. When a law has to be overruled through executive order or rule making, it should be legally emended or repealed. The Reps take about 10 minutes occasionally to again present the beliefs of the people they represent. The Dems choose to totally ignore the people they supposedly represent unless those people have enough money to grease their pockets.
      Typical leftist tactic – focus on what the Reps are doing rather than the real issue which is the problems with Obamacare. They think if they change the subject no one will notice the poor economy, loss of full time jobs, larger and larger number of poor, etc. Unfortunately, those things do not go away just because you and the Pres want to call those with different views vile names. (Putin did not go away just because O called him an ugly name, either. He just figured out ways to get back at O for the name calling and the American people. Putin is experienced enough to know name calling does not lead to problem solving. Too bad O has not learned that and is now jeopardizing the American people.)

      • mark

        I am simply stating that Republicans lack the power to repeal the Affordable Care Act. The also lack the power to impeach President Obama. I am simply stating facts. Do you think if they had the power, they would not do so? But they can’t. And they know it, despite the dog-and-pony show they put on in the Congress. You should know it, too. It is simple arithmetic. You need 67 Republican senators to override a presidential veto and repeal the health care law. The Republicans have 44 senators. Do the math.

    • http://batman-news.com Jim B

      Mark, my health Insurance premiums went up about 1500 hundred bucks, and my out of pocket nearly 3000 per year, and that’s with a relatively healthy family of 6. Make Believe… I don’t think so! Am I supposed to be happy about that? Your comments make me believe that you are of the minority that will temporarily benefit from the governments health care system. Your trust in the government is misplaced however, nothing is free in this world and you will learn this when required services necessary to keep you or a loved one alive are denied, or your out of pocket expenses exceed your wildest expectations for services you or a family member require. I believe your world is that which is being made for you by the government, I call it Serfdom, and your welcome to it!

    • larrylunts

      Don’t try to seduce me with reason and logic! This website is for angry, white, morbidly obese scooter jockeys only. Take a hike, bub!

      • JeffH

        Are you the new racist troll and shill sent here?

        • larrylunts

          No, I’m the old one.

  • FreedomFighter

    I have been involved with the Health Care Industry in long term care for the elderly, working with the mentally challenged and from what I have seen so far, ObamaCare will kill millions. No they wont come in like Hitler’s men and execute them with gas in vans for dig ditches and machine gun them down while the earth mover buries the evidence…it will be slow and painful thru regulation and denial of access.
    Medications removed from qualifying for use, reduced or eliminated pain medication access, reduced access to hospitals thru regulation of what “qualifies” for a visit to the emergency room or other hospital care services (they even have ObamaCare phone numbers to call to verify), medical staff must sign non-disclosure contracts the NSA would be proud of. End of life counseling for the elderly…lets see take the pain meds away, limit access to treatment, leave them to suffer a while and then suggest they off themselves — very scary sheet.
    ObamaCare is IMHO a eugenics program, wrapped in the most powerful population control mechanism ever devised — control of all facet’s of life thru health regulation. Again its Power and Control by the totalitarian state, and the state will pick who lives and who dies.
    BTW if I had signed one of the non-discloser agreements I could not even have written this post — I would probably be facing legal prosecution. Many doctors and nurses are leaving the profession due to the ObamaCare pressures place on them too.
    Laus DeoSemper FI

  • Larry

    Just one quick stupid question: why are the new rules not good enough for them or their staff?

  • KG

    I’m so glad you talked about your Spokane High Intensity Training. I hear Bob has a group as well – Bobs Intense Group Spokane High Intensity Training. i hear Bill crystal is in charge of the Department of Inter-Personal Spokane High Intensity Training.Do you want some more Spokane High Intensity Training? I hear loads of it from FOX and friends.

  • http://batman-news.com Jim B

    I think the adage to not discuss politics with friends and family originated from, and perpetuated by, politicians. But alas, the old adage is DEAD, Thankfully! Men and women, brother and sisters, fathers and sons, and friends are all talking now. Doom is on the horizon and everybody knows it, and everybody knows who is to blame. The billion dollar community organizer was a mistake of significant magnitude in which this country has suffered and will continue to suffer with for several more years. The large majority of folks in their 50’s and on up are waking up to the fact that they let the lobster loose and the country now suffers dearly for their inactions. There are a lot of dots to connect, and after you begin to connect just a few of them you begin to understand that significance of our governments failures. Failure after failure on poverty and welfare, on national security, border security, foreign policies, world armament’s controls, economic tomfoolery i.e. Tarp, Stimulus, QE, QE2, QE3, Operations Twist, and now straight up 89 billion dollar currency printing per month, but most of all to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America, and for which it stands! It is no longer a brave new world, it’s a cesspool of made up political correctness, bureaucratic regulation, and a police states. We are taxed a 100 more way now than when the Brits where trying to take over our liberties, and freedom to be who we wanted to be. Our governments next move, and an imperative move if they are to survive, is totake away your ability to protect yourself from them i.e. gun control. We need this government nonsense like we need a hole in the head, and at the end of the day that is what they aim to do!

    • Jana

      I am thankful that I had a mother and daddy that did talk to me and teach me about my freedoms and what they stood for. My husband’s parents did the same. Now we can clearly see what is being taken away. We have also taught our children the same lessons and values.
      We see all too often their friends have no idea what is going on in this world. They have no idea about our American History, nor what they are losing.
      Ha, a lot of my friends who are in their 40’s don’t even know. They are starting to wake up though.

      • NC

        Jana, if enough of your friends wake up you Libertarians may get a whole percentage point of the vote in the next Presidential election! That is if you don’t run Wayne Allyn Root! a/k/a THE KISS OF DEATH!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Yeah, NutCase, and if somebody gives you an IQ point that will be 2 for you.

  • Deerinwater

    “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
    Those were the words of a well to do British subject that wanted independence from England and her taxing authority and rule of law as he mustered up support for his cause to be independent.

    How this might apply to the Affordable Health Care Act as I see it would be autonomy from the prevailing system. As to think one might avoid the cost in some other fashion.

    We all “want things” ~ we just don’t want to pay too much for them and feel as if we are a slave to them by possessing them.

    There was a time, where as people simply got sick and died, ~ Where as today, ~ we have more options to delay or postpone death and illness as much as 20 to 30 years. While everyone wants these options, not all can afford them. ~ The issue is academic until it becomes personal.

    The efforts on the part of the Federal government to assist to provide a health care “system” ~ attempts to make it “personal” by demanding support.

    This “upfront” demand for support is met with resentment and seen as “chains of slavery” among those of us less civil minded and believing it not a function of government to provide for citizens such luxuries.

    I would think, notions of group coverage/employer based started us down this rocky road. ~ and that is where we should start rethinking any health care system or dismiss the whole idea and be left to pay as you go. ~

    Getting sick and getting well or dying ~ is a personal problem.

    I can live and die with that ~ can you?

  • red neck

    What are the sheeple going to think / do when they realize that they will be forced to have a government medical ID ( RFID ) that will be plugged directly into each sheeples heath records and bank accounts…..

  • Robbie

    Your headline says that Obamacare was defunded. In actuality nothing of the sort has happened.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Why don’t you read the headline again and maybe you will comprehend it, just maybe.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Shill Dave says — “1) We are an older population that uses more HC”.
    All the more reason to get the Meddlesome Government Middleman out of our heathcare and get back to Free Markets where healthcare can once again be affordable:
    http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=279
    http://mises.org/daily/5066
    http://reason.org/news/show/the-myth-of-free-market-health

    Shill Dave says — “2) The way we make our food and what we eat makes prone to more sickness”.
    Sounds like a personal problem to me. My wife and I eat healthy and avoid processed foods. Anybody can do that freely. And it has nothing to do with justifying mandatory Healthcare Insurance.

    Shill Dave says — “3) The employer-Insurance company model ensures the company, not the indivdual are the end user of HC”.
    How is that, Shill Dave? And if you don’t like it, the simple solution is for Government to butt out of companies’ business and let them compensate their employees however they decide with no subsequent Tax Penalties. Company Insurance plans would mostly go the way of the buggy-whip if employees were offered the choice of Cash Money or Health Insurance.
    http://mises.org/daily/3727

    Shill Dave says — “4) Drug firms are not interested in cures… They want patients”.
    Maybe. But without Government blocking for them, they would have no choice but to please the consumers and face heavy competition which would result in lower prices for their products. Yet, Shill Dave sticks up for the same Big Government which enables the Crony Pharmaceutical companies.

    Shill Dave says — “5) Too many people have their hands in the HC pie (Doctors, Hospitals, Insurance, Drug firms, Lawyers) and all are bleeding people dry”.
    Yet, Shill Dave, and his Liberal Progressive ilk want to add More Government Middlemen to that pile as if overpaid bureaucrats, with secure jobs, who don’t have to answer to the consumers, are going to somehow make things better.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Shill Dave says — “So the market decides when you having a heart attack or are in an accident?”.
      Non Sequitur, Shill Dave. It has nothing to do with whether or not we would have cheaper healthcare without all the Government meddling, which has been going on now for over 100 years.
      http://mises.org/daily/5066

      Shill Dave says — “HC is not the same as other industries, so many moving parts from so many different groups”.
      Oh really? If modern day HC is complex, it is only so due to massive Government meddling in our Healthcare system (at both Federal and Local levels).

      Shill Dave says — “Until you can point to a sucessful implimentation of your theories in the modern industrial global economy, your theories and $3 are good for a cup of coffee”.
      Those who wish to study the beneficial results of Economic Freedom can study these rankings to see how More Socialism = Smaller Economies:
      http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
      http://www.freetheworld.com/

      • Joe LardAss

        Govt. meddling ALMOST ALWAYS makes things worse!!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Women’s rights was a Government scam to convince Women that they should love being in the workforce. Government did that in an effort to get a wider number of people working so they could get more tax revenues, and so the ravages of inflation would not be so obvious to families.
          Those who truly believe the movement was non-political need only ask why almost all of the Women’s Advocate Groups turned a blind eye to the Sexual Harasser in Chief Bill Clinton.

          Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme which is dependent on current workers funding current retirees. And it was immoral in its inception, given that nobody has a moral right to take money from people “for their own good”:
          http://mises.org/daily/5658/Is-Social-Security-a-Ponzi-Scheme

          Civil Rights was merely the Politicians’ way of using Blacks as pawns to further their re-elections. Obviously, it hasn’t worked judging from all the racial animosity that exists today.

          Infrastructure? Transportation? Both would have been more efficient and less costly if performed by the Private Sector:
          http://mises.org/books/roads_web.pdf

          • NC

            aboriginal dave, Social Security is largest longest running stimulus to our local economies in our history! What is the total payout in benefits EACH month??? 95%+ OF THOSE BENEFIT CHECKS are spent back into the local economies BEFORE the next benefit checks arrive! That money keeps small businesses going and is taxed again by the governments for revenue! TO SAY NOTHING OF THE PEACE OF MIND IT BRINGS TO OUR ELDERLY AND LESS FORTUNATE!!
            STOP THOSE BENEFITS AND WATCH SMALL TOWN MAIN STREEST DRY UP EVEN MORE THAN THE bush RECESSION HAS ALREADY DRIED THEM UP!
            HAVE YOU EVER TAKEN A POLL ON THE NUMBER OF AMERICANS WHO REALLY CARE ABOUT MORALS HELD HOLY BY VON MISES??? YOU COULD TAKE THAT POLL ON THE BACK OF A MATCH BOOK WITH A MAGIC MARKER!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            How do non-productive Senior Citizens stimulate the economy, NutCase? Not to say they shouldn’t be able to spend their benefits. But consuming wealth does not stimulate an economy. It just depletes the economy’s wealth.
            Eventually, if everybody was not producing, the wealth would be completely depleted.
            You have no clue do you NutCase?

          • nc

            aboriginal. they are NOT eating their checks! They are buying things and paying rent and buying services in same markets you want to regulate with von mises approaches. Would von mises outlaw eating because it consumes wealth?? May be that is why it has never caught on in the real world!
            Have you ever considered wood carving instead of blogging???

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Good Grief, NutCase, you are terminally ignorant.
            If everybody was retired, who would be producing the goods to replace those which were being consumed? It is clear that non-productive people don’t drive an economy. You just have no common sense.

          • Pretty PoleKat

            You forgot to mention how both sides have raided it over the decades & left meaningless IOUs, that will never be paid back…that is why one cannot trust govt. SS is not an entitlement like welfare, people paid into it & are not getting the proper bang for the buck!

        • Joe LardAsss

          HAHAHA You are lost aren’t you??…..LOL!!! Much of that was done by private citizens prodding the govt. & as for SS, that’s a real winner!! FDR was a JOKE, the depression could’ve ended way earlier except for his govt. meddling!

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        You have no credibility on this board, Shill Dave.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          You’re getting desperate again, Shill Dave.

  • StinkBomb Jones

    You are right, the ACA is not an endpoint, but the beginning of socialized medicine, it is a gift to Big Pharma & Big Insurers who are celebrating a BONANZA from this boondoggle, but when your beloved DEMs are in bed with Big Business you are silent! Heck, just like the college loan programs have raised tuitions, when the govt. subidizes something, rates will go up, up, up… The point of ACA was to cover those who cannot afford insurance, but it is instead severely punishing those who already have it, employers & employees. 2,700 pages of regulations, fines, taxes, many backloaded is not the way to go, there has to be a better way! Heck, it would’ve been better to have a federal value added tax & use the revenue to pay for people’s insurance! It is punishing any real chance at economis recovery & NOBODY understand the whole mess even now, Your beloved Dear Leader has illegally changed the law several times, why? if it sooo good,your beloved unionists, Obummer’s lapdogs are screaming to get rid of it, after saying how good it was…I mean how can you defend this crap?..it is a horror show!! This is a perfect case of what is wrong with the DEMs, they simply march lockstep over a cliff with out any real debate, or seeking the truth or facts! The Repubs. many times are not much better, but they are not nearly as bad! When Pe-Lousy said, “we will know what’s in it after it’s passed” should’ve been a red flag, no? May I remind you too, that several parliamentary procedures were violated for it even to come up for a vote. It is a devilish spawn, no good will come of it, it need to be killed as soon as possible!

    You scoff at tort reform, but it has done wonders in Texas & you fail to mention that your beloved LOONY TUNES LIBS are in bed with the tort lawyers, heck many of them were tort lawyers!

    The most crucial thing in the health care reform is to lower premiums first & the best way to do that is to open up purchases across state lines, to drive competition & lower rates.. McCain & Romney both wanted to do that if they got elected, however it can’t be done via ex. order, but by an act of Congress & since it has never come to a vote even, I have to assume that both parties are being paid off by the insurance lobbyists to stifle it. However, your beloved Dear Leader has never even said he wanted that…hmmmm why?

    • StinkBomb Jones
      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Good job, Jones.

      • StinkBomb Jones

        Hey, I’m not in love with GOP myself both parties have screwed us, but DEMs are way worse to me. Hell, GOP wouldn’t listen to Paul either…LOL! Paul has also advocated for many years, decoupling healthcare from employment & how that would create millions more jobs & set the economy on a great recovery

        • larrylunts

          Is your screen name based on a personal problem with uncontrolled flatulence, or on something else?

          • The One & Only StinkBomb Jones

            Stand behind me & you will find out….Hey, isn;t that a PRO-HOMO marriage symbol by your name? If so, maybe I don’t want you standing behind me….LOL!!! ME NO PRO HOMO MARRIAGE!!

            The name comes from childhood days, I was quote enamored of StinkBombs!! Luckily, I grew out of it, now I spread mi stink with the pen!

      • JeffH

        Ignoramus Dave47D says “HC falls under the “general welfare” in the Preamble of the Constitution in my view.”

        Therein lies another of your mistakes and mis-interpretation of the “general welfare” clause in the Preamble of the Constitution!

        “general welfare” is mentioned twice in the U.S. Constitution: first, in the preamble and second, it is found in Article 1, Section 8.

        The General Welfare Clause is not an independent grant of power to Congress. It is not a grant of authority for Congress to pass social legislation. It is not a special grant to spend money on anything. Instead, the General Welfare Clause places restrictions on the reasons for which taxes are levied and restrictions on how those taxes are designated.

        Once the government opens its arms (and bank accounts), it divides the citizens into two groups: those who receive direct (personal, individual) benefit from the government, and those who do not. That is why the founders designed a FEDERAL system of government that provided only for the “GENERAL” (meaning- non-specific) WELFARE of the people by confining its services to things like “national defense” and “interstate commerce”. It leaves to the states the issues of HOW or WHEN other services are provided to specific sub-groups. HOWEVER (This is critical) the new government must represent the BEST INTERESTS of all the people, which logically means that it MUST be limited in scope, for the MORE a government undertakes, the more oppressive it becomes. Government MUST be ANCHORED in fundamental principles.

        Because you do advocate for federal spending on social welfare programs, you are describing a redistribution of income (MY income) for the benefit of Specific individual citizens INSTEAD of a strong national defense. Which of those activities is the government LEGALLY REQUIRED to perform? (hint: Art. I, Sec. 8, U.S. Constitution.)
        http://www.lawandliberty.org/genwel.htm

    • StinkBomb Jones

      One more thing: Have you ever heard about Medi-Share, or Altrua? These are Christians who have come together & created Co-Ops sort of that have people pool their money to pay for healthcare. Med-Share of which I belong to has been around for over 20 years, and I get great coverage, for a low rate & my money does not fund abortions or contraceptives & I get a n ObummerCare exemption, so while it is not insurance, I do not have ot pay the tax for not having insurance. You have to be a professed non-smoking Christian, sign a statement of faith & follow either in church or online a Christian minister & group.. However, the paradigm could be followed by millions of like minded people like say artists, or chefs, or whatever, to band together & pool their resources & break free form the insurers. In this I agrew with you.

      I implore Christians to check out Medi-Share, for even if you never have to use it, you are making good karma by helping your brothers & sisters in need..basically a tithe!

  • Doc Sarvis

    “If Obamacare is just going to be a total debacle, Republicans would let it take
    effect, ride the catastrophe to huge victories in the 2014 midterms, come back,
    use their massive Congressional majorities to repeal it… but they don’t want
    to do that. Because the GOP’s fear is not that the law will fail, it’s that it
    will succeed.” ~ Ezra Klein

    • HEY, PORCUPINE!

      HAHAHA!! No, you & Klein have it totally backwards….OBlahBlah & the DEMs have ILLEGALLY changed, or held back certain parts, because they know IT WILL FAIL & don’t want to be killed in the 2014 elections. It’s shows what is in their hearts & souls, they know it is a horrible boondoggle, but will march in lockstep like lemmings over the cliff & take the citizenry with them, rather than fix it or admit they were wrong! Gee, for a Doc, you don;t know much about health care do you?…WAKE UP!!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      You’re a joke, Doc. Once Government programs take root, they are very difficult to remove. Just look at any of the alphabet soup Federal Agencies that have been unable to solve their problems, yet are still existent sucking Billions from the taxpayers. Take for example the Department of Energy which was created under Jimmy Carter’s administration and who had the goal of decreasing our Foreign Energy dependence. What a joke, still they exist, spending millions of our taxpayer dollars:
      http://mises.org/daily/673/Will-Conservation-Save-Us

      • WHITE WOMEN EVERYWHERE

        Carter also created the Dept. of Education & after all these years & who knows how many hundreds of billions of wasted dollars, maybe even over a trillion, we have public schools that are worse than ever…some bang for the buck, right? Rand Paul said iof elected prez, one of the first things he would do is abolish the DEpt. of Ed….sounds good to me, let the states educate their own children & save a bundle

    • Jana

      Then why oh why did Congress beg for and GET exemption for themselves AND their AIDS?
      ANSWER: Because they said they would lose their over half their aids as they couldn’t afford Obamacare.

    • JeffH

      Didn’t the House just pass a Continuing Resolution that would keep the government running and gives Obama EVERYTHING he wants except for further funding of ObamaCare, and is it not Obama and Reid who are essentially pouting like spoiled children and saying, give us ObamaCare funding too, or we’re going to shut down the government?

      Why are they ignoring the millions of American citizens by blackmailing the nation into spending one more thin dime on this abomination? Some of us actually expect that our representatives should simply say “Let’s not spend any more money on ObamaCare until we can figure out how to fix it?”

      But the progressives in Washington just don’t give a rats arse about the people they work for!

      The establishment Obamacare supporters in DC will be held accountable for this miserable and onerous economic and job killing legislation, not Ted Cruz, not Mike Lee, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul or The Tea Party!

      You remember that Tea Party, the grassroots movement the liberal/progressives love to repeatedly tell us has died out, has no backbone yet the Tea Party becomes the preeminent enemy to the political establisment every time the citizenry and a few representatives rise up to challenge the “status quo” .

      Note: Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has instead chosen to focus on Obamacare, gun control, immigration, Syria and other issues while ignoring the economy, jobs, tax reform, reducing government spending, regulations and boosting the economy!

      • Hey, Porcupine

        Cruz & the others are trying to force a debate on the O-care law…you know discourse & debate?, an exchange of ideas, maybe LEGALLY changing some of the bad things even you admit are in it…, do you remember discourse & debate? Before the DEMs were hijacked by Alinsky-ites who fear facts & the truth & an open discussion? No, they just want to personally attack the other side & ignore this bad boondoggle & why can they get away with it? Because they know the media has their backs & so they can say anything they want to, no matter how false or absurd & not have to account for it! It’s the same paradigm as in 2008 when the economy collapsed, mainly because of Clinton & the Libs & their housing insanity & their removal of Glass-Steagall, but the GOP got all the blame from LOONY TUNES LIB media lapdogs!

        • Moshe McCarthy

          But, when a lefty like Wendy Davis in Texas statehouse, filibusters a perfectly legit sensible bill to regulate abortion mills, the left trumpets her as a heroine….OY VEY!!! If it involves the murder of innocent life in the womb, or the forcing of people to join corrupt unions & have their money taken away or if it is the promotion of HOMOs & their “normal lifestyles”, then one can filibuster till the cows come home!

          • larrylunts

            How did cows get into this discussion?

          • THE PIGMAN

            Because after the HOMOs & their enablers destroy our culture & society & mores, bestiality will be allowed & cows are prime meat, you know what I mean?

          • larrylunts

            Jeez, dude, that is way TMI. I hope that you don’t live in my state, and I’m certainly not going to tell what my state is. I seriously hope that you will consider professional counseling. No, I don’t know what you mean, but there must be websites that cater to that sort of thing. I’m not a vegetarian, but I have a feeling that would not matter to you, in an apples and oranges sort of way.

          • THE PIGMAN

            Hey, it happening in Massachusetts already, the striking down of bestiality laws attached to a transgender bill! You see, once you let 2 men get married, there are no more barriers or standards, ANYTHING GOES!!! CAPISH??

          • NC

            Moshe, before you get to the RIGHTS AND PROTECTION of something you can’t see how about the RIGHTS AND PROTECTION of something you can see! That would be the pregnant female standing in front of you with concerns this pregnancy will have on her physical and mental health! As well as her doctor with equal concerns! NOTHING FOR THEM?????
            If YOU GO TO A SPECIAL PLACE WITH YOUR PERSONAL PROBLEMS AND QUESTIONS WHY CAN’T EVERY CITIZEN GO TO A SPECIAL PLACE (PLANNED PARENTHOOD) WITH THEIR PERSONAL PROBLEMS AND QUESTIONS??? JUST ASKING !!!
            btw, she was filibustering a bill to take away her special place!!
            I am a Democrat but I would like to thank the Republican controlled Supreme Court for the Roe v. Wade decision!
            We can live with that even though it limits( but does not ban) abortions!!

          • Moshe McCarthy

            “SPECIAL PLACE”???…..UGH!!! The life in the womb does not belong to her, but to God, all of our lives belong to God..Abortion is simply the murder of a human being…NOT a fetus, NOT an embryo, but a human being at a stage in life we all were at..Planned Parenthood is the spawn of the Devil, it is verily The Pit of Death & Hell!
            BTW, no one was talking about taking away her place , but just regulating it, so it is clean, & up to high standards for just such “medical procedures”

            It’s funny how the LOONY TUNES LIBS are so concerned about govt. regulation of things like schools & corporations & industry, etc..but when it comes to the slaughterhouses, like Gosnell’s they & their media lapdogs say nothing!! So, NC, is it ok then for the baby to live if it survives an abortion?

          • NC

            moshe, I believe Gosnell has been punished for anything he did! What do you pro-life people have in mind to replace the lives that will be lost in the butcher shop abortion mills in walk up cold water flats and live lost on the bathroom floors to a coat hanger! PEOPLE WILL GET ABORTIONS OR DIE TRYING IF THEY WANT ONE! IS THERE A WAY TO HELP THEM??
            btw, When an unwanted child still not adopted by those who forced it’s birth is still standing in a crib at 18 months for 23 hours a day in the back room of a state supported orphanage does God come and play with it?? It’s his child, you say!! Just another missing father????

          • Moshe McCarthy

            You are lost spiritually….it is not your’s to decide…shortly after the egg is fertilized, the SOUL descends to fill it. & that soul is meant to be born at a certain time & in a certain place, there are Cosmic Cycles & Timetables that have to be met, but, of course mankind has free will & that is where the problems arise, you see it is not really free, but must be returned to God, like all else we have, even our lives..Hey, sex is a sacred thing, not to be engaged in lightly, so,if you do & get pregnant, you give birth & don’t shirk your responsibility, mother & father & if you can’t tkae care of it, you give it up to adoption.make things worse by killing a precious & unique child of God. I guarantee you, at least 75% regret having an abortion.

            If women decide to abort in back alleys, so be it, but at least the state is not funding or sanctioning it & making bad karma. You are a proud democrat, so know this your party has created a culture of death,, where the precious life of a unique soul of God is tossed away like a piece of garbage! Hey, even in 2012 DEM convention, they wanted no mention of God!

            If that soul is aborted, it has to go back up the Heaven & wait sometimes hundreds of years for the right karmic situation to arise, so it can be reborn on earth.

            INNER MEANING (TRUE MEANING) of SEX=”SACRED ENERGY EXCHANGE”

        • JeffH

          Imagine that? Ignoramus Dave47D has a problem with filibusters…especially if they’re GOP!

          Would you like to do away with the filibuster rule Ignoramus Dave47D?

          Whether you like them or not, filibusters are a necessity. Our Founding Fathers knew that the greatest threat to liberty in the long run would be our own government. For this reason they erected “checks and balances” in an effort to prevent our government following the path of virtually all governments in the history of mankind – from liberty to corruption to tyranny.

          The senate filibuster has been used many times through our history, some you may have agree with, some you probably did not. But the one thing that you can say has always been true of the filibuster, it has served as a check on some action being pushed by the government. If the action had true and lasting public support it won the test of time, if it did not it fell to the wayside.

          Imagine a government that has no restraining checks. Every time there is a switch in which party can muster a majority in each branch of Congress and occupies the White House, there will be nothing to stop a massive realignment of the laws and even the current “interpretation” of the Constitution.

          Loss of the Senate filibuster will complete the neutering of one of the checks that Our Founding Fathers created – the US Senate. The first major step was changing the election from State Legislature to popular vote, thus reducing the influence of the State governments as a check.

          source: Ending Filibuster is not a good idea …
          by Mike Crane

      • JeffH

        Ignoramus Dave47D…of course I didn’t expect that you could understand, let alone comprehend, what I just posted!

        1. “The establishment(that means both parties)Obamacare supporters in DC will be held accountable for this miserable and onerous economic and job killing legislation”.

        2. “Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has instead chosen to focus on Obamacare, gun control, immigration, Syria and other issues while ignoring the economy, jobs, tax reform, reducing government spending, regulations and boosting the economy!”

        3. “Some of us actually expect that our representatives should simply say “Let’s not spend any more money on ObamaCare until we can figure out how to fix it?”

        I’m guessing that you would rather “not fix it” and let it become just another costly and crony government failure that won’t ever go away rather than actually construct it(fix it) so that it is costly efficient and effective and it isn’t filled with more of Obama’s and the establishment’s illegal crony exemptions and subsidies.

        • NC

          JeffH, you list the things that Reid should have more focus on! Those are “YOUR” things! He has a responsibility to focus on all thing that concern American citizens!
          There are more than just a few Americans who are concerned with the number of Americans being killed in large numbers by the use of guns< What would be your advice to them ???? QUIT WORRYNG ABOUT IT!!!!!! Great answer! Not!!

      • Jana

        Yes they did.

  • WHITE WOMEN EVERYWHERE

    Hey, OBOZO bootlicker…..how is this for doctor/patient relations?

    http://nypost.com/2013/09/15/obamacare-will-question-your-sex-life/

    • WHITE WOMEN EVERYWHERE

      So, because you don’t like Murdoch, every thing in his paper is false?? These things will happen right in front of your eyes, because ObummerCare is not abouT healthcare, but CONTROL…..starting with the squashing of the simple freedom to NOT buy health insurance or deny money towards the death of innocent life in the womb!

      • WHITE WOMEN EVERYWHERE

        Tell me some of the good things he has done….I’m willing to listen with an open mind…but, please withhold any of his litany of illegal ex. orders!

        • WHITE WOMEN EVERYWHERE

          (1) At what cost to everyone else are these people gonna be covered with & how much coverage will they really get?
          (2) Iraq is a disaster now & why?, because he foolishly removed all the troops & it is now in bed with Iran. He should have left a presence there to keep the fragile peace, but of course, that was the Bad War!
          (3)The auto industry bailout was illegal & ruined many lives of non-union workers who lost their pensions, screwed the bond holders illegally & they will need more money down the road because they did not really fix the cause & core of the problems, which is too high wages & benefits of the workers, they still are being paid way too much & have not given back hardly anything as you mention that will get this baby on the right track! The bailout was again a tribute to his union base, screw everyone else!
          (4) The Dodd-Frank Bill has been another over 2,00 page disaster that has hurt small business with myriad illogical regulations & most importantly has done nothing to prevent the big banks from being bailed out again.
          (5) The stimulus was just a give back to Obummer’s base, the public unions, especially teachers, so the states would not have to make the crucial decisions to get their fiscal houses in order, that money is now gone & states, especially those without Repub. governers are in worse shape. Stimulus wasted billions on nonsense & the shovel ready projects was a joke, no infrastructure got built, no jobs were created, as a matter of fact, unemployment got worse!
          (6) Got rid of Qaddafi because he was taking Euros for oil instead of dollars, but what is there now is worse, and of course, you forgot about Benghazi, right? An illegal gun running scheme to arm rebels in Syria,which makes Iran-Contra look like a kid’s game!
          (7) “focused efforts in Afgh. that killed Bin Laden”…HAHAHA…the dope did not even want to do it & so what? Bin Laden was out of loop already, he was dying while watching porn. The Obummer trumpted how this has really killed Al-Qaeda, but hey just moved to other nation & are as strong as ever. In Afghanistan, he has set artificial politically motivated timeline for withdrawal that insures Taliban will take over, his illegal use of drones like fly swatters, have killed way more innocents than Bush & has created more Islamists that want to kill us than ever! Bush used drone strikes 43 times in 8 years, Obummer over 500 in less than 5…these are War Crimes,, plain & simple. If Gop prez used them like that , you would be screaming for his head on a platter & for him to be dragged to the Hague!

          All in all, if this is all you got, it’s pathetic!

      • Jana

        Hey Dave, You don’t seem to get it. It is NOT that w don’t like Obama the person. WE DON’T LIKE HIS POLICIES. WE DON’T LIKE THE AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE OR HOW HE PUSHED IT THROUGH SO UNDERHANDEDLY!!!
        Just because you don’t like conservatives everything we say is bad, is that it?

        • Jana

          I don’t like Socialism or Communism or dishonest people. Most of our Congressmen and women and the President fit in that category.
          You are making yourself fit in one of those categories yourself. Socialist.

      • WHITE WOMEN EVERYWHERE

        I should’ve added: Tell me some of the good things HE PROPOSES to do….but please leave out removing Assad & taking his big bad chemicals, or how he will stop the rising of the oceans,or any of his other delusions of grandeur!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Like is an emotion and is constantly changing, I loathe O and everything he proposes is bad because it all comes from a deceitful and treacherous mind. Nothing good comes out of it.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      argumentum ad hominem. Imagine that, Shill Dave attacking the person instead of rebutting their ideas. Who would have thunk it?

  • Karma

    Hey buddy, I do get the fact that you are playing to a particular base, but as someone who just had the benefit of the excellent Canadian health system (I just had surgery done on both knees), don’t be telling lies about the system. Nothing in this world is perfect, and everything can be improved on. This is what you guys should be doing, any responsible representative would be doing. Wait- I guess I am thinking of Canada, where they take these things seriously. lol though, I find it very funny that the man leading the charge to defund Obamacare, is a Canadian who is doing his best to deny poor Americans healthcare, knowing that if he was in their position, all he has to do is to cross the border to avail himself of free healthcare. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Shame on you guys who can’t see this, but then as the bible says “where there is no vision, people perish”

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Sounds like another personality of one of our multi-personalitied Liberal Progressives. At any rate, so much for the wonderful Canadian Healthcare system:
      http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/publications/waiting-your-turn-2012.pdf
      http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/41396

      • Blowhard Manush

        WHO is a corrupt organization,part of NWO, as bad as UN!!

        • Blowhard Manush

          I don’t trust theirs…you know healthcare is a funny thing, many people under the same system have many different experiences, I know one thing about America, after living over 50 years here, that Reagan was right: “The scariest words are, ‘I’m from the govt, & I’m here to help.”. I would not trust our fed govt. to run a lemonade stand properly…The problem is our free markets are not really free!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Shill Dave says — “There is no such thing as a “free” market in the global economy”.
            Yes, Leaders have been very successful in using their meddling to feather their own nests and tamper with our Markets. Some, by necessity, have lessened controls — usually for their own benefit.
            But the fact remains that those countries who have implemented Socialism fully have failed miserably. They have done so because they didn’t have Capitalist shoulders to ride on. Still, it is obvious in the modern world that the More Socialism there is in a country, the Worse its Economy is.
            http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You are a Socialist, Shill Dave. In case you haven’t noticed, Shill Dave, our country is failing.
            But there are all degrees of Socialism. What percentage of Socialism finally becomes the Straw that Broke the Camels Back? Who knows? But since it is a negatively productive system, why have any at all? We have Socialism only because the Leaders prosper under it, but the people lose. And the Leaders are likely who Dave is Shilling for.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            What are you even babbling? Being a corporatist is something that you and your Dem/Prog/Leftist/Marxist/ etc., ideologues approve and you have your O being the leader of the pack.

          • Blowhard Manush

            By political process so you mean elections? I’m not one for stifling free speech, but , We need to get the lobbyists out of Wash., & OBOZO said he would make great strides there, but instead he hired many of them & he said his adm. would be so transparent, but is is probably the least ever…he & corrupt cabal make Nixon & his look like Boy Scouts!

          • FUK FACE

            Fast & Furious, AP scandal, Benghazi, a litany of illegal ex. orders, IRS scandal….man, Reagan looks pretty good compared to that! Many of those non-partisan orgs. rate OBlahBlah’s adm. the worst ever in transparency…stuff like changing logs of you visited Half-White House, etc…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, Shill Dave, it starts with getting Government out of our Marketplace. The only way to stop them from aiding Crony Capitalists is to take away their tools.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Non Sequitur.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Here comes, Shill Dave, who claims he works in “International Sales”. Selling what? Propaganda?

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        The Problematic (and Political) Who Healthcare Rankings:
        http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/bp101.pdf

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Feel Free, Shill Dave, to specifically dispute anything Cato said in the article.
          Don’t you have an “International Sales” job to attend to, Shill Dave? Like we believe that one.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Non Sequitur, Shill Dave.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Shill? Merely a description of your job, Shill Dave.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It’s a non sequitur, Shill Dave. It has nothing to do with the issue.

    • John Myers

      Dear Karma Buddy,
      Glad your knee surgery turned out well in Canada, I lost by anterior and posterior cruciate ligaments playing football in Canada in 1978. The Foothills Hospital butchered it. Only a decade later when I was losing all knee function a doctor trained at Sacred Heart repaired the damage the Calgary doctors did.

      I waited 2 months for my Canadian knee surgery back in ’78. I waited less that 24 hours in Spokane. Like so many other Canadians you think you have great health care only because you have never had the experience private US healthcare.
      Sincerely,
      John Myers

      • larrylunts

        Hey, what are you doing on this website, with your reasoned analysis, and your logical conclusions, and stuff? We don’t cotton to that kind of thinking around here! This website is for angry, morbidly obese, right-wing scooter jockeys only!

        • larrylunts

          Good luck with that.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You gotta love Liberal Progressives and their ridiculous comments. NOT!

          • PUS POT

            And their sanctimonious nature & delusions of grandeur!

          • larrylunts

            Pus Pot, is your screen name based on some embarrassing personal problem, or something else?

          • PUS POT

            No, I leave it there for guys like you when they get it up the arse!!

          • larrylunts

            I don’t understand your fascination with “the arse,” but I am sure that there are psychological professionals who might be able to explain it.

          • larrylunts

            I don’t pretend to understand your fascination with “the arse,” so I’ll leave that judgement to psychological professionals.

          • NC

            PUS POT, YOU LEFT OUT LEADERSHIP TO THE POSITION OF NUMBER ONE NATION IN THE WORLD AND KEEPING US THERE! NO TRUE CONSERVATIVE HAS EVER QUALIFIED FOR T THAT POSTITION OF LEADERSHIP!
            SIGNED: A PROUD DEMOCRAT

          • PUS POT

            HAHAHA!!! I guess you forgot about Reagan……..LOL!!! Geting rid of the Commies was probably a bad thing to you, huh?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What are we number 1 in, NutCase?

          • larrylunts

            Hey, that’s so funny I forgot to laugh! I know you are, but what am I? Did your mother have any children that lived? Can I put my finger in your bellybutton? Ahh, they just don’t write good material any more, like they did in middle school!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And here we have, Folks, yet another example of the twisted Liberal Progressives who want to make your choices for you using Big Government as their Proxy Enforcers.

        • John Myers

          Dear Larry,
          What is a scooter jockey? If it is what I think it is, it is hard to imagine well to do, “obese” conservatives ridding scooters.
          Sincerely,
          John Myers

          • Jana

            Yeah, all 1 of them.

      • John Myers

        Dear Dave,
        Sorry to hear of your daughter’s illness. Nothing is more upsetting to a parent than having a sick child. I hope she has had a full recovery.

        I know you are often a critic, but I am grateful you take the time to read and to comment.
        Best,
        John Myers

      • CUZCO

        It’s not a start, but a way to make the insurers & Big Pharma richer & the middle class poorer!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So why are you sticking your nose into our medical system and defending something that is indefensible. Quit the phony sob and pity stories because they are just that.

    • John Myers

      Dear Karma,
      I would re-think your name if I were you because you do not exude it.

      I am an American citizen, third generation living in Canada. And you must not understand Cdn tax rates vs. U.S. rates. They are higher in Canada. There is no magic knee fairy that paid for your surgery. It was paid for by excessive taxation.

      Your “free” knee surgery was paid by Canadian taxpayers. Hope they did it right; the best Canadian orthopaedic surgeons take jobs in the U.S.
      Sincerely,
      John Myers

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    Obamacare Will Increase Avg. Individual-Market Insurance Premiums By 99% For Men, 62% For Women http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/25/double-down-obamacare-will-increase-avg-individual-market-insurance-premiums-by-99-for-men-62-for-women/?partner=yahootix

    The Forbes article cites the data of the O’care research.

  • Jana

    YOU said:

    1) We are an older population that uses more HC
    WRONG!!!!
    .MOST OF OUR OLDER POPULATION HAS PAID THEIR WAY!!!

    We have open borders and they come across in droves around here to have their babies, FREE OF CHARGE.

    Then we have the give me mentality that says I deserve everything for free because of what my ancestors went through! If they have a headache do you think they go to the store and buy an aspirin? NO! They run to the ER and clog up the waiting rooms to get their free aspirin. I have seen it!

    I have also seen the Deputy Sheriff bring in a mother and her sick child along with her other two children because she didn’t have a ride. ( She spoke no English.) Just guess who paid for that one and the gas for the ride as well as the Deputy Sheriff ‘s salary while he was doing this service. THE TAX PAYERS

    Then we have those who are physically able (as we see them loitering all day long every day, standing around holding up buildings with their feet, looking bored. Later you see them in the store using food stamps.

    YOU said:
    4) Drug firms are not interested in cures… They want patients——– This one you are right about, but we as individuals need to take responsibility for ourselves sometime. Obamacare isn’t interested in cures either, Obama has already stated if you have lived a nice life maybe its time for you to take pain pills and go ahead and die.

    YOU said:
    ACA is not perfect but it does do some good things…. Stops Insurance
    firms from fleecing people by limiting the amount of overhead they can
    charge….
    So, you want to turn it over to the trusted IRS so they can fleece people by picking and choosing who gets health care and who doesn’t?
    Wow

  • Sarah417

    $70-$380/a month. Michael Cameron above asks. Why wouldn’t anyone want affordable health insurance? Because they can’t afford it.

    There are more Americans collecting welfare than working and those working have been reduced to part-time because of Obamacare.

    The best thing that America can do for itself is to not, I repeat do not, sign up for the state exchanges. Obamacare is relying on the vast majority of Americans signing up to pay for Obamacare. Don’t do it. I have four children who will not sign up for it. The fines for not signing up for it are cheaper than the premiums. Yes, they will catch you in the end but it’s still cheaper.

  • Jana

    I have been waiting for someone to make a comment about Cruz and the Republican Party.

    Here everyone is griping and complaining that the Republican Party has no leadership. Now, when one finally stands up and actually LEADS everyone gripes and complains that he isn’t doing it right, like the Rhino Karl Rove. He stated he didn’t go through the proper channels.

    A.How could he go through the so called proper channels? They are too weak and too afraid to make any type of stand. This is why the Republicans have such a terrible get nothing done, stand for nothing, and do nothing attitude. They are too afraid they will be blamed for something.

    AND:

    B. Obama and Harry Reid AND the Democrats are the ones threatening to shut down the Government as the House has already funded the rest of the Gov’t, just not the farce bill of the Affordable Health Care Act. (What a laugh)

    • Jana

      He did what the people voted him in to do. He is not a Socialist like you Dave. He is not a coward like you Dave.
      He is not afraid of guns like you Dave who wants all of us to be gun free so we can be shot down like they were at the Navy Ship Yard.

      • Sarah417

        You’re an Obama sympathizer aren’t you? That not only makes you a coward but a loser.

        • Jana

          The only problem is, you can’t find anything to disapprove of, no, not really.

          • Jana

            Not ignorance Dave I just get tired of reading your socialism over and over and over again.

          • Jana

            You must be looking in the mirror Socialist DDave.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Is that supposed to be some sort of pejorative against Jana but all you did was make yourself sound stupid.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re a liar, Shill Dave. Point us to a single remark on any of the other boards where you have criticized Obama.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Provide us a link, Shill Dave. You made the claims, you supply the evidence.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I am awaiting, still, your evidence of “I have been critical of Obama from his use of military in Libya without Congressional consult, re-upping the conservative’s Patriot Act, spying on Journalists, to any attack on Syria”.
            Your link offered no such evidence. No mention of Obama in your comment.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As I said, Liar, you pointed to nothing about Obama.

          • JeffH

            Of course Ignoramus Dave47D is a liar!

            Here is his linked evidence of his “critisizm” of Obama…now read it slowly Ignoramus Dave47D…and I quote:

            “Dave • 20 days ago•

            I have already written Jeff Flake and John McCain and voiced my opposition… Show up at any townhall event and disrupt their BS political advertizement session and force them to deal with the fact that the majority of people in this country… liberal and conservative alike do not want this.
            We have who voted yes for the approval… In Nov, vote all the “YES” people out.”

            Now that was the only comment credited to “Dave” in that thread and I have to agree with DaveH and the others…the link you provided proves that you, Ignoramus Dave47D, are in fact a “L-I-A-R”!

        • JeffH

          No Sarah417, Ignoramus Dave47D is an Obama protector and apologist as well as being a coward!

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          Dave, please list what did you “hammer him” for.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That’s strange, Shill Dave, because I have not ever heard you say any of those things against Obama before on this website.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            L I A R & H Y P O C R I T E !!!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            It’s not a news Dave, that liberal mind is upside down.
            But anyway I love you with God’s Agape.

        • nc

          Sarah, is every American who has voted for a President a bad person and a “coward” for being a “sympathizer” with that person? Every one who votes differently from you is bad???
          YOU’RE SICK!!! I sympathize with Obama and I am not a loser BECAUSE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
          When you WIN you get the Oval office! I voted for Obama twice and thanks to bush incompetence and Repugnuts making bad decisions like Mittens and Caribou Barbie we are still there! Michele loves those drapes!!! Allah be praised!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Loser? Maybe. But a Forcer and a Thief, definitely, NutCase.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            YES.
            And your comment gives you away that you did not do any thinking when you voted for O.

      • Jana

        I haven’t done anything, but I have been around true heroes. I hear how they talk. I have heard the real men that went into battle with them talk about them, so I know! It hasn’t been that long ago either. They also talked about wimps like you, and had plenty to say, so I can recognize people like you when I hear them talk or write.
        Afraid of guns, or want everyone to be afraid of guns or want everyone to give up their guns. You are for Socialism, and Yes, yes I do know what socialism is. It is you who are being gullible and think you know so much and who are actually being lulled into being a Socialist.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        You say Cruz is a hard-core corporatist, Shill Dave?
        Do you have any evidence whatsoever to support that lying slander?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I’ll wait for you to provide us some evidence, Shill Dave. If it’s out there, and you are citing it, then you should have no trouble providing us a link.

        • Jana

          NO, DDave doesn’t.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          So what is wrong with substantial sums of money be given to Cruz’s campaign or Conservatives or Libertarians. You just want your Dems/Progs/Leftists to be given enormous sums of money and even illegal money from overseas just as long as the opposition is squelched.

    • Tea Party & Crumpets

      You say the GOP has been obstructionist from the start, but when Obama invited them to a luncheon while the bill was being crafted for their input it was a dog & pony show & he shot down all of their suggestions, including Tort Reform & opening up the purchase of insurance across state lines….so who is in bed with Big Insurance? Who is in bed with Tort lawyers?..,You are a useful DUNCE!!!

      • Tea Party & Crumpets

        You see the problem is YOU BELIEVE THIS GUY, what the hell does “part of an overall issue” mean exactly? It’s just his way of going BLAH,BLAH, BLAH to save face, he has pol speak down perfectly, he could even give Bill Clinton lessons & with his smooth voice & silky delivery it sounds even better…He always says what he WILL DO & yet he never does it…it;’s like Syria, he says today how tough we have to be on Assad, but it is always tomorrow that he will take action. He talks tough today, but when the next day comes, there is nothing..ZIPPO! The Emperor has NO clothes, this guy is a narcissistic empty suit & you buy all his delusional crap-o-la!

        But, the key issue is to open up purchases across state lines. In your posts you rail about there not being really Free Markets, yet here was a way to get them, endorsed by the GOP, yet your Dear Leader shot it down. Why? Because he & this whole Bill is in bed with Big Insurance, but yet you & his LOONY base & his butt kissers in the media are silent!!!!

    • JeffH

      Ignoramus Dave47D, why don’t you tell all of us how Reid can block practically every bill the House sends to the Senate and still blame the House GOP as the party of “no”?

      Harry Reid has failed to take up almost all of the House GOP economic and job creation measures, failed to present a budget, and failed to put forward a pro-growth plan to get Americans back to work

      Why don’t you explain how the House GOP can be blamed for shutting the government down with the latest budget continuing resolution, which includes defunding Obamacare, when Senate leader Reid has stated publicly that it won’t reach the Senate floor and is “dead on arrival” and that Obama has stated there will be no negotiations and threatened to VETO any bill that includes defunding the ACA despite the fact that an overwhelming majority of Americans have stated in interviews, polls and through petitions that they do not want nor support the ACA?

      Seems pretty obvious that the establishment RINO’s, Dem’s and Obama are oblivious to those facts and are willing to make Obamacare the face of the regressive party, having priority over the funding of government and wishes of the maiority of the American people.

      It’s the progressive Dem’s and RINO’s along with Obama that are willing to shut the government down and make Obamacare their baby to live with and no one else’s.

      I’m not supporting or excusing the GOP, I’m just sayin’…a duck is a duck!

    • larrylunts

      “The Abyss” was a great movie. Not the “official” release, which was largely a huge stinking pile of sh*t that didn’t make any sense, but the directors’ cut, which made it clear how and why the aliens were getting involved in human politics.

  • Sarah417

    I kept up with as much as I could regarding the Cruz filibuster over the last 21 hours. What a great stand Cruz made. I commend him for all his efforts regardless of the outcome.

    However, I would like to say that the last half hour Cruz asked Harry Reid, in the legal jargon that politicians use, to give him more time. Due to the way Reid answered I don’t think he was smart enough to understand what Cruz was asking. I think Harry Reid is truly a dunce. How the people in NV keep reelecting him is beyond comprehension. He stated that Cruz’s effort was a waste of time. The Democratic party is a waste of time. Not once have they covered the real issues concerning the American people. That being the Economy and job creation. They continue to go down the road spending more money and raising taxes Obamacare has 21 new taxes included into it that will hit the American people soon. They continue to regulate small businesses until they have to go out of business. God help us.

    • Jana

      AMEN!!!!

    • PUS POT

      They have to have those taxes to pay for it…there is no free lunch…it gets worse as years go on

      • larrylunts

        At the senior center in my town, they have free lunches every day, between noon and 1:30pm. If you’re 65 or older.

        • Carl Mason

          not free to the tax payers who are paying for the free lunches.

          • larrylunts

            The free lunches are not supported by taxes. They’re paid for by voluntary contributions from local church groups.

          • Jana

            Sounds like you are a few crayons short of a whole box.

    • Carlos

      Sarah, Harry Reid is one of the most corrupt politicians, check out some of his dealings in Nevada, Reid is kept in place by big money in Nevada and a large minority and illegal vote.
      This guy most likely didn’t finish the third grade, before he was leader of the Senate I wondered how he got elected, however, The first time i Saw Al Gore after his election , I thought the people oi Tennessee had lost their mind . it was baffling to me how they could elect such an absolute dunce. The Democrats live off ignorant people both in and out of the political world.

      • Uncle Tanoose

        Looking at Reid is like looking at Satan himself!!

    • nc

      Sarah, Slick Willy, Democrat, set a record for job creation by an 8 year President and Jimmy, Democrat, set a record for a 4 year President for job creation! Name one true conservative President has ever created one job! Democrats and the economy???? See “Bulls, Bears, Donkeys and Elephants” see where a $10,000 stock investment in 1928 would have been worth over $300,000. during Democrat administrations through 2008 but only worth $12,900 during Republican administrations during the same period. See also the Republican owned magazine, Forbes.com at ‘PRESIDENTS AND PROSPERITY” for how Democratic have out performed the Republican administrations during that same period! You should study our history and not PLD propaganda!
      BTW, when the Dow hit bottom as a result of the bush, repugnut, recession it was at 6547! Today under Obama it is at 15,000 plus! Allah be praised! ( I’m Methodist)

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        The ID says John Myers, but it is obviously NutCase with some more wild claims about how the Democrats are good for Markets.
        Government doesn’t create productive jobs. The only way Government can create productive jobs is to get out of the way so the Private Sector can perform.
        NutCase says — “when the Dow hit bottom as a result of the bush, repugnut, recession it was at 6547! Today under Obama it is at 15,000 plus! Allah be praised! ( I’m Methodist)”.
        The reality is that the Dow started sliding down in September 2008 as soon as pollsters were predicting a win by Obama. Panic selling. And it slid for 6 months until March 2009 (3 months into Obama’s Presidency) and regained almost all its losses in the next 9 months after that.
        Keep in mind though that much of the Dow’s “recovery” is due to rampant money creation by the Federal Reserve which goes first into the pockets of Government Spenders and Crony Capitalists.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          If that were the case, we would be swimming in Prosperity now, with the Federal Government spending Twice what it spent in 2001.

        • John Myers

          Dear OriginalDave,
          You write:
          “The ID says John Myers, but it is obviously NutCase with some more wild claims about how the Democrats are good for Markets.”
          I am unsure what you referring to regarding my ID. I have never made such a claim.
          Please let me know.
          Best,
          John Myers

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            There is a system glitch, John, which puts erroneous names in the ID fields. The comment, that now has NC’s name on it, had your name on it earlier.
            I knew it was NC, and not you, by the language and the fact that you always sign your name at the bottom.

          • John Myers

            Thanks Original Dave,
            Best,
            John

        • NC

          ABORIGINAL, The stock market started sliding on news that Obama might be President??? You jest, I’m sure!
          The bottom falling out of the housing, financial and jobs markets had no affect on the STOCK market??? Just Obama news?? REALLY???
          You do realize that well educated independent voters visit this site and read what you say don’t you??? or does MR. BOB not let you consider those things when you post your drivel! STUPID DOES AS STUPID IS TOLD!!
          What do you think the NOV. 2006 Republican butt kicking was about? People seeing the bush economy weaknesses that you deny! That was before Sept. 2007!!
          Some were predicting the housing-financial bust as early as 2005! BUT IT WAS ALL OBAMA NEWS!!!YEAH,RIGHT!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The housing crash started in 2006, NutCase. Market investors think ahead about 6 months on average, so the Markets would have started crashing early in 2006 if it was the Housing Bust as the driving force. And if it were the Housing Bust that caused the dive in September 2008, it surely would NOT have recovered from its lows (in March 2009) just 9 months later. Just as we still have well over 7% unemployment 5 years after Obama took office.
            Only an ignorant Liberal Progressive like yourself, NutCase, would be so easily fooled.

      • Vigilant

        nc unfailingly pulls the old “Bulls, Bears, Donkeys and Elephants” canard and is always shown how fallacious it is. But he doesn’t give up for one reason: he’s as dumb as a box of rocks.

        • NC

          Vigilant, what about the study in Forbes?? Can you not see that independent study reflecting the results pointed out in “BULLS BEARS”! IT COVERS THE SAME TIME FRAME!!!!!!You don’t think a man who was TWICE a candidate for the Republican nomination< Steve Forbes, would allow lies against his beloved Republican party in a magazine he controls do you???
          GO SEE THOSE RESULTS!
          WHY DO YOU HAVE NO STUDIES FOR THAT PERIOD??
          JUST DENIAL! A VERY COMMON CONSERVATIVE TRAIT!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Has it occurred to you, NutCase, that most of the Dow increase is illusory? As more money is created by the Federal Reserve, it goes first to either Government which typically spends it with their Crony Capitalists, or directly to the Crony Capitalists, so of course Stock prices are going to go up. But are those price increases real or just the result of more counterfeit money chasing those Stocks? So, if I were you, NutCase, I would lay low about placing that blame on the Democrats. Of course, I know that both major parties are guilty of Crony Capitalism, but your rah-rah-rah for your pet team is your problem, not mine.

          • Vigilant

            OK, you asked for it, again. I’ve posted and reposted this, but you remain the same ignorant fool:

            The idiotic contention on that statistical “analysis” ( “Bulls, Bears, Donkeys and Elephants”) is based on a number of faulty assumptions, and leaves out more relevant factors than it actually uses. It is a classic case of lying with statistics, intended to sway simple minds like yours into believing the propaganda without question.

            Here are the faulty assumptions:
            It assumes that the president has magical powers to wave a wand and thereby affect the stock market. He has not. A myriad of factors affect the stock market in a capitalist economy, which are beyond the capacity of a president to affect. In the government-managed economy YOU would like to see, the chief executive would have much greater powers to effect change. Currently he has not.

            It assumes that changes in economic direction due to administration policies have immediate or short term effects on the stock market. They do not. The economy is grindingly slow in responding to policy changes by the government. Thus, Clinton rode on the successes of Reaganomics, which brought us the longest sustained period of business prosperity in US history.

            It tries to convey the glaringly false assumption that the health of the stock market is a barometer of the nation’s economic health in general. It is not. By your reckoning, the rebound of the markets under Obama would point to a booming period of prosperity. How’s that working for you? Tell your tale to the unemployed, the record numbers of those on food stamps and welfare recipients.

            It goes wildly wrong in discarding one of the most important factors, the party which is dominant in Congress. Your “statistics” would “prove” something quite different than you assert if that influence were taken into account.

            I know the above is difficult for you to understand. Get a dictionary, a tutor and psychological help to move beyond your one-dimensional “true believer”mind. Perhaps you might take a course in basic macroeconomics before you shoot your mouth off and once again look the idiot. You are fooling no one with a normal intelligence

          • Vigilant

            And if the above goes over your head, KG, consider Average Joe’s posting 10 days ago:

            “Since it’s Congress that sets the spending Budgets, sets the Deficits, and passes legislation affecting jobs and the economy (The President cannot spend one penny that has not been authorized by Congress), let’s look at the record of Congresses over the last 30 years (Through 2010);

            JOBS (39,761,000 Net New Jobs)

            Jobs created when Democrats controlled Congress (12 years) = 8,100,000 net new jobs.

            Jobs created when Republicans controlled Congress (10 years) = 21,773,000 net new jobs.

            Jobs created when Congress was split (8 years) = 9,888,000 net new jobs.

            DEFICITS (a) ($7.304 Trillion)

            Total Deficits when Democrats controlled Congress (12 years) = $5.022 Trillion.

            Total Deficits when Republicans controlled Congress (10 years) = $1.219 Trillion.

            Total Deficits when Congress was split (8 years) = $1.063 Trillion.

            NATIONAL DEBT ($12.878 Trillion = 93.4% of all the Debt in our History)

            Total New Debt when Democrats controlled Congress (12 years) = $7.859 Trillion.

            Total New Debt when Republicans controlled Congress (10 years) = $3.238 Trillion.

            Total New Debt when Congress was split (8 years) = $1.781 Trillion.

            ECONOMIC GROWTH ($11.873 Trillion of GDP growth)

            Total Growth (GDP) when Democrats controlled Congress (12 years) = $3.887 Trillion.

            Total Growth (GDP) when Republicans controlled Congress (10 years) = $5.623 Trillion.

            Total Growth (GDP) when Congress was split (8 years) = $2.363 Trillion.

            Draw your own conclusions, but these are undisputed facts from government sources.

            (a) Deficits do not equal the increase in the Debt because of the government’s ‘funny accounting’.

            Sources – Democrats controlled Congress from 1987 – 1994, and from 2007 – 2010. Republicans controlled Congress from 1995 – 2000, and from 2003 – 2006. There was a split Congress from 1980 – 1986 and for 2001 & 2002. Links to government data sites are as follows;

            Jobs – http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat1

            Deficits – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/… See Table 1.1

            National Debt – http://www.treasurydirect.gov/

            Facts are facts…and not subject to dispute.

      • Sarah417

        I get so tired of telling this to Democrats. Slick Willy was running America into the ground until the American people voted Republicans into the House led by Speaker Newt Gingrich from that point on jobs were created the economy swelled and a budget was passed every year for four yrs up until 2007 when the Democrats took hold. Last two yrs of the Bush Admin and the first two yrs of the Obama admin until we took the house once again to save your sorry a$$es.

        The stock market and Wall St. have nothing to do with the economy.

  • Jana

    Sens. Vitter, Enzi to Introduce Legislation to Stop a Washington Exemption from Obamacare
    Congressmen DeSantis and Ross introduce companion bill in the U.S. House of Representatives

    (Washington, D.C.) – U.S. Sens. David Vitter (R-La.) and Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.) will be introducing legislation to reverse and clarify the decision by the Office of Personnel and Management (OPM) on Obamacare. Their legislation will require that all Members of Congress, the President, Vice President, and all political appointees in the Administration must purchase their health insurance on the Obamacare Exchange without the help of taxpayer-funded subsidies. Congressional staff would be prohibited from receiving any contribution greater than what they would receive if they were not employed by a congressional office. Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) will be another lead co-sponsor. Congressmen Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.) and Dennis Ross (R-Fla.) are introducing companion legislation in the House of Representatives today and will also offer it as an amendment to House Continuing Resolution.

    HMMMMM, I just wonder how far this will get. If King Obama has his way not very far!

    • Jana

      Of course you don’t. This is par for you.

  • chocopot

    Why are my responses being removed over and over?

    • larrylunts

      What responses?

      • chocopot

        Exactly.

    • JeffH

      chocopot, this whole change to Disqus has created nothing but problems.
      It sucks, is a pain in the arse and I’m sure has caused some to abandon posting @ PLD altogether which is too bad!

      • chocopot

        Jeff –
        I am on the verge of abandoning it. I spend 10-15 minutes writing a response, post it, and then a minute later it is gone. Why should I waste my time writing?

        • JeffH

          chocopot, your common sense participation here is greatly needed. Unfortunately comments, sometimes, might not show for a few hours or even days and that is unacceptable.

          May I suggest that those of us who’ve had problems with Disqus convey the message to PLD via email.

          eletter@personalliberty.com

          • chocopot

            Thank you for your kind remarks – much appreciated.

        • NO PRO HOMO AGENDA

          I like your responses, CP…I will pray for this to be fixed…THE LIGHT OF GOD NEVER FAILS!!!

          • larrylunts

            Not even on weekends, or holidays?

          • NO PRO HOMO AGENDA

            You being Godless, would not know now, would you? No, it never fails & it sees all too, so watch that PRO HOMO stuff, OK!!!

          • larrylunts

            Wow, you should definitely Google “Projection.” You’re a textbook case of it, monkey boy. And BYW, what PRO HOMO stuff are you talking about?

          • larrylunts

            NO PRO HOMO AGENDA is an awfully long ID to remember. Is it okay if I just call you “PRO HOMO” for short?

          • chocopot

            Thank you. In fact, my missing posts seem to have reappeared overnight. G-d only knows how this screwy system works.

    • chocopot

      Thank you, Dave. Will do.

  • Ron r

    Let’s see . You repeal laws , not defund them. 41 votes to repeal and not once did it pass. What’s next defund any law on the books that can’t be repealed by congress??? Or defund the Supreme Court??

    • MUSH MOUSE

      But, since LOONY TUNES judge Roberts illegally changed the way the law was written & called the penalty for not having insurance a TAX, then, technically it falls under the fiscal aegis of the Congress & thus can be defunded!

      • Ron r

        Roberts did not change a thing , he simply defined the way the law and the penalty as a tax. I trust Roberts interpretation of the law before most. Neither party has ever said this LAW was made up or illegal . Either way you repeal laws not defund them. Section 4 of the voting rights act was repealed by the court. Should we defund the court for that? No we should not. Americans put people in office who will pass the laws they want passed.congress voted to repeal and did not have the votes to get it done. It’s the law.

        • MUSH MOUSE

          The voting rights act has no fiscal element as far as I know. NOW, let me enlighten you on what Roberts did: The law was written as a fine or penalty for not getting insurance, as it should be because you cannot tax “inactivity”, not wanting to buy something & the govt. kne how bad a precedent that would be When the govt. lawyers felt it was going bad with Kennedy, the supposed swing vote, they were allowed to then argue on another day that is was a TAX, Roberts allowed them to do that, even though, the law was not written that way. As Judge Scalia said, “Roberts re-wrote the law for them & then signed off on it as Constitutional”….this is grounds for disbarrment! Actually, he should’ve been removed when he did not allow arguments to recuse Komrade Kagan, in the clearest example of a legit recusal ever! For God’s sake, Kagan was head of legal group that was consulted when the law was written, advising on how it was to be crafted,, so it would pass muster by Sup. Court…how could she then sit in judgement of it?????

          Roberts should be rotting in jail for his actions!

          • Ron r

            You repeal laws not defund them. This law was settled by two elections and a court. It’s law.

          • MUSH MOUSE

            And it also has been illegally changed & tampered with by Obozo & the DEMs…so what “law” are you talking about?

            BTW, as far as Roberts, you have no clue!

          • Ron r

            Changed and tampered where and how? Laws are repealed not defended. And elections have consequences. The president was elected twice and on this issue. 41 times, 41 failures.

          • MUSH MOUSE

            What have you been asleep?..2 deadlines (one was employer mandate, I forget the other) that were extended to next year, Obummer can’t change that via ex. order , it has to be an act of Congress, all those waivers to corporations & unions that donated to OBOZO..ILLEGAL. This thing should’ve never even been voted on, several parliamentary procedures were broken!

            Look even the LOONY TUNES DEMS know this thing is a disaster & want to hide the bad for after the 2014 elections

          • Ron r

            He gave employers an extension , how’s as that changing the law? A delay is not repeal or a change in law. Seems history does repeat because I have read some like comments that were made prior to the implementation of both Social Security, and Medicare . In fact I watched You tube video of Reagan speaking against Medicare, the biggest thing wrong with the ACA is that it is not bold enough. By your argument that Obama can’t do what he did , yet congress went along with it. Which is what they want now. (Some) to repeal , defund (no way) or delay. Neither will happen.

            I like Ted Cruz , being against the ACA , when his birth country has universal health care, which he is entitled to along with the government health care he gets.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You Liberal Progressives do whatever it takes to ride on our shoulders, and we will do whatever it takes to throw your thieving selves off.

          • Ron r

            And you extreame regressives will attempt to take this great nation back to the Wild West era by ignoring election outcomes that you don’t agree with and in the end destroying this country . In the end you will find that no one wants anything you have or wants anything to do with extreamist period.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I would take the wild west days (they really weren’t that wild) over the serfdom that Liberal Progressives are installing any day of the week.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I would take the wild west days (they really weren’t that wild) over the serfdom that Liberal Progressives are installing any day of the week.

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    About an hour ago I got E-mail:
    “Moments ago in New York City, John Kerry signed the UN Gun Ban.”

    It provided the link to the Firearms Sovereignty Survey
    http://www.nagr.org/UNgunban_RP.aspx?pid=2b

    After I hit “submit” I got this:
    This webpage is not available
    The connection to http://www.nagr.org was interrupted.
    Reload this webpage.

    I reloaded 3 times, and it stills the same. Any idea?

    P.S. If anybody want to take this Survey, go to the link, maybe you’ll get the better luck.

    • Moose Mitzman

      Yeah Sure…another NWO guy, Kerry!!! & Yeah like this thing will really work!!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Non Sequitur? Who was she responding to? It is only a non sequitur if she is responding to another debate point. What an ignoramus Parrot you are, Shill Dave.
      And to imagine that the UN Small Arms Treaty would not impact gun ownership in the US is beyond ignorance.
      http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/kerry-arms-treaty/2013/06/03/id/507825?s=al&promo_code=13B4C-1
      We now have a Criminal Administration.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Explain how the Federal Government has managed to so trample the Constitution that we now are Forced to buy Healthcare Insurance?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Those are State Laws (auto insurance), numbnuts, and they are to protect other people from us, NOT to protect us from ourselves.

          • Robbie

            Actually having health insurance DOES protect us from others because those others end up in the expensive ERs which have to be paid for by us the taxpayers if the patient has no insurance. Health care insurance is a really good idea.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Oh please, Robbie, spare us from that trite Liberal Progressive nonsense. First you push Government “safety nets” on us, whether we like it or not, then you use those nets to ensnare us and take our Freedom. How convenient for Liberal Progressives.

          • Robbie

            For you it’s every man for himself. As long as you’re O.K. you don’t give a flying fling for anyone else. But your day will come just as it does for all of us.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It’s quite the opposite, Robbie. It is you Liberal Progressive Followers who are enabling the Leaders to doom our economy to the poverty that is inevitably created by Socialism.
            If you truly cared for your fellow man, the last thing you would consider is Forcing your way on them, and Stealing their money.

          • Robbie

            No man is an island. You don’t realize it but your life is heavily influenced by folks in every part of the world and most certainly by others in your own country. When the President noted that”you didn’t build this” (or words to that effect) the truth he was alluding to was that we are all interdependent. We are even interdependent with other animals and insects and bacteria for that matter. But NOT you Dave. You’re an American Patriot and you depend on no man. You stand alone against the world and even against nature itself. You are you afterall.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Robbie says — “No man is an island. You don’t realize it but your life is heavily influenced by folks in every part of the world and most certainly by others in your own country”.
            You’re so condescending, Robbie. I would love to take you on in a comprehensive test like a GRE or some equivalent. You wouldn’t have a chance.
            Of course our lives are affected by other people. But what does that have to do with people, like you, Forcing their ways on others?
            Robbie says — “When the President noted that”you didn’t build this” (or words to that effect) the truth he was alluding to was that we are all interdependent”.
            No, Robbie, what Obama was implying is that we owed something to Government. We don’t. We don’t “owe” anything to anybody who we haven’t Freely contracted with. If you want me to compensate you for something you do for me, then say so up front, so I have the Right of Refusal.
            Are you one of those guys, Robbie, who would take a lady to dinner, and then later claim that she owes you sex?

          • Robbie

            It’s impossible to be “Freely contacted” with the myriad of people around the globe who impact our lives. That’s why it is so important to be not only open minded but understanding. As a former high school teacher (28 years) I was always aware that someday one of them or one of their children or grandchildren might very well be looking after me one way or another. I am also aware that there were many taxpayers who were of the opinion that if they did not have a child in school it was plain stupid to be paying taxes to help educate the children of others. How dumb is that. And it all came home to me one night in the ER when a beautiful young nurse came up to my bedside to take blood and she shouted out my name. She had been a student (ancient and medieval history) of mine some years before. She is now head of the ER and when my 3 year old grand daughter had to go to that same hospital that same young woman may have treated her. You may be right that in this horrid world no one owes anyone anything but it is nice to know that there are enough people out there who embrace the notion of our interconnections. Why else would a doctor in Madrid treat my wife who had fallen ill one summer and why else would three young lads on a Costa Rican beach save me from drowning other than the notion that what goes around comes around?

            And that’s why I said to you that one day your time will come when you need some kind of help from others who you do not even know. You better hope they don’t have your selfish philosophy!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Former school teacher. I should have known.

            Robbie says — “It’s impossible to be “Freely contacted” with the myriad of people around the globe who impact our lives”.
            Balderdash, Robbie, and you know it. Leaders impose themselves in the middle for one reason only — to enrich themselves. Anything they can do, the Private Sector can do better. The Private Sector has to do it better. They don’t have captive customers like the Government monopolists do.

            Robbie says — “why else would three young lads on a Costa Rican beach save me from drowning other than the notion that what goes around comes around?”.
            Maybe because they’re just kind people? Did they do it because Government threatened to jail them if they didn’t? Unlikely. But whatever the case, Robbie, it has nothing to do with our conversation. It’s just typical of you Liberal Progressives to go off on a tangent when you can’t win a debate the legitimate way.

            Robbie says — “You better hope they don’t have your selfish philosophy!”.
            No, Robbie, I hope they don’t have your selfish and thieving philosophy that drives you to forcefully help yourself to other people’s money and personal choices.
            If I need help from other people, they will provide it willingly, not because I use Government to Force them to help.
            You’re a joke calling me selfish, Robbie, when I wouldn’t dream of voting to take other people’s money, like you do.

            Murray Rothbard said it so well — “Rule by the statist elite is not benign or simply a matter of who happens to be in office: it is rule by a growing army of leeches and parasites battening off the income and wealth of hard-working Americans, destroying their property, corrupting their customs and institutions, sneering at their religion”.

          • Robbie

            You don’t like so-called government monopolies? What are your feelings about those great examples of capitalist enterprise: the oil companies as they squeeze people dry making ever larger fortunes and taking government subsidies to boot. You gotta love those free enterprise competitive giants (all charging virtually the exact same amount by pure coincidence)!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Don’t buy their oil, numbnuts. Pay more for your alternative energies and shut your whiny yap.
            You rail against the high prices of oil and then Force other unwilling people to pay even more for your alternative energies.
            Liberal Progressives are despicable people.

          • Robbie

            Hey, thanks for the great tip. I’ll stop buying petroleum products. It’s just that I don’t know where I’m going to put my horse. And parking that steed at work is rally going to be a problem!

        • Jana

          The quick post that I looked at said Kerry signs UN treaty to ban guns, now on to the Senate to debate it.
          Obviously we are talking today to two Daves. I wish one would change his name. The one you are talking to should change his to dumbdave.

      • Robbie

        Actually the U.N. treaty you mention only deals with the arms trade between countries. It has no effect on gun laws within the U.S. So, actually, the “beyond ignorance” was you.

      • Jana

        She was responding to WND

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    Modesto Junior College has banned the distribution of the Constitution on campus! http://calwatchdog.com/2013/09/20/modesto-junior-college-bans-u-s-constitution/

    “Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the FREEDOM OF SPEECH, or of the PRESS; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” – 1st Amendment of the USA Constitution

    Does the “free speech” needs a Special “area”?
    This is a road to the Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union.?

    P.S. do not miss the Video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EosaP99J3Z8#t=312

    • Robbie

      Actually the college did NOT ban anything. There is a designated area for such activities as the distribution of documents or whatever.

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        Who “designated” that area, mastermind?

        Please cite WHERE Constitution says, that the distribution of the
        Constitution MUST be in the “designated area”?

        It’s not Bible. It’s the SUPREME Law of THIS land, genius.

        • Robbie

          I am assuming the area was set aside by the school administration.

          As far as I know the Constitution says nothing about distribution methods one way or the other.

          Also, I can tell you that in certain National Parks there are areas set aside for anyone wishing to speak/distribute or whatever. Free speech is the right of the people.

      • Robert Messmer

        But if individuals are not free to freely associate and exchange ideas unless they pre-register their wants with THE MAN and get HIS permission to use the designated area at such and such time, is that not the chilling hand of prior restraint? Certainly does not seem to be free exercise thereof.

        • Robbie

          Look, got something to hand out? Go to the designated area and do so and quit whining.
          And, by the way, you also have to get a permit to hold a parade etc.

          • Robert Messmer

            The only ones whining in the video are the college employees who a) weren’t aware that it was Constitution Day and b) don’t have the foggiest idea what freedom of speech is. And he was not trying to hold a parade.

          • Robbie

            The point is that there are countess restrictions and conditions in daily life. You have to adhere to dozens – even hundreds – of rules every single day.

  • ireAmerica

    We must constrain the legislation machine in DC with real national dialogue instead of just letting our representatives subject us to whatever they think we need, or whatever they want.

    Under this administration we are experiencing rampant under-employment, doubled food stamp program cost with about 50% increase in participation, doubled gas prices with increased regulatory burden on all energy sectors, more losses of liberty and privacy and many more pressures on the economy – not the least of which is out-of-control money printing.

    Now we’re going to pile on the Obamacare rollout, with 300 new government agencies, the IRS and various NGOs privy to all your private data, and at God knows what price.

    All of us should be in the town square fighting every aspect of this creeping tyranny every day, but the rare few people like Senators Cruz and Paul represent us and try to argue for us. You may have noticed that the Republican party is mostly listening to the American people – excepting characters like John McCain and Lindsay Graham. The Democrats? Not so much.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      The Republicans give Freedom lip-service, but the reality is that Government just keeps growing regardless of which party is in Power.

      • ireAmerica

        TheOriginalDaveH:

        It’s true that in politics there are few Patriots and many Traitors. But I would rather report that “I voted for LESS EVIL”, than to sheepishly mumble “I didn’t vote ’cause they’re all evil”.

        And by the way, spell “government” with a small “g” for starters, power is the drug that makes them think they’re bigger than that – this is America, YOU are the boss.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I capitalize words to give them emphasis.
          I don’t vote for any evil at all. I vote Libertarian.
          http://www.lp.org/

          • Merle Dickey

            Oh god Dave, I agree with you!

        • Jana

          That is why when I write my congressmen I don’t call them The Honorable so and so, because the aren’t honorable!

      • Robbie

        If you are so keen on small government you should consider moving to Tonga or Tuvalu or Pitcairn Island. They have small government.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Robbie the Canadian, why are you butting into our country’s Politics? You move there, Robbie, I’m going to stay here and try to wake Folks up despite the interference put up by you Liberal Progressives who just want to ride on other people’s shoulders.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            The famous final phrase of the Communist Manifesto:
            “Proletarier aller Länder, vereinigt euch!” – Karl Marx
            English: “Proletarians of ALL countries, Unite!”

          • Robbie

            In answer to your question: freedom of speech and freedom of expression. You’ve heard of those and believe in them right?

            And I only suggested you move to Tuvalu or Pitcairn because you said you were for small government. Those countries have small government because they are tiny little places where the economy is based on selling coconuts and stamps. America is a mega country with the biggest and most important economy on the planet so natural it has a complicated governmental system to match that.

            Thanks for the counter offer of me moving to one of those places. I’d visit them as I am a world traveler but I don’t think I could stay on a tiny island nation for more than a week. Thanks anyway.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Robbie says — “America is a mega country with the biggest and most important economy on the
            planet so natural it has a complicated governmental system to match that”.
            This puts a lie to your claim, Robbie:
            http://www.heritage.org/index/country/hongkong
            The population in Hong Kong is denser than the most densely populated State in the US (New Jersey). Yet they have a robust economy, and a Government that spends only 19% of GDP (still too big) compared the US Governments which spend over 40% of GDP.

          • Robbie

            Have you been to Hong Kong? H.K. is a large and crowded city to be sure. But if you think its economy is more important that the U.S. you are way off base. Not to mention the fact that H.K. is part of Communist China so comparing stats and economies is a complicated matter. The systems and conditions are totally different.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            “more important”? What does that mean? Sounds like a subjective evaluation to me.
            I’m talking about things like income per capita on a PPP basis, like here:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

            Basically, Robbie, you are showing me that you have nothing to offer but mushmouth conjecture.

          • Robert Messmer

            But he did manage to get you off the main topic which was ACA.

            http://www.libertynews.com/2013/09/obamacare-sound-fury-name-shaming-blame-gaming/

      • FishFace

        But at least there is a slim chance with the GOP & guys like Cruz, Paul, Coburn, etc…

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          Dave, are you having bi-polarism?

    • DINO POPAPOOPALOUS

      Hey,, that pic by your name looks like John Kerry!!!

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    30 years ago, I predicted that this country was going to collapse in a few decades, but I didn’t even imagine then that someday Government would get away with forcing us to pay for Healthcare Insurance.
    It’s amazing how fast our Freedom has gone out the window.

    • Robbie

      How do you feel about being forced to buy car insurance?

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        I think it’s wrong. Why do you ask?
        See my comment to Shill Dave below.

        • Robbie

          How do you feel about your tax dollars going towards supporting the fire dept when you yourself have never had a fire?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I think we should have Private Fire Departments, so the people who really need their services are the ones who pay for them. No more riding on other people’s unwilling backs, Robbie.

          • Robbie

            Originally fire fighting WAS private but it didn’t work out too well as you’d realize if you gave it some thought.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Conjecture, Robbie. The fact that Government monopolizes fire fighting now is purely a result of Leaders’ inherently striving for more Power.
            Read this book to learn a better way:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

            Of course, who am I kidding? Robbie read? Unlikely.

          • Robbie

            What you should research is the example of private fire fighting changed to municipal in Edinborough, Scotland.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Why Robbie? Even if there was a successful replacement you would be mixing apples and oranges as they have different culture and different heritage than us. You don’t know much about logical evidence do you?
            And it’s interesting how you Liberal Progressives always go first to the emotional issues like eliminating Fire Departments or Police Departments, etc., when in fact there is vastly more Government involvement in our country than that which can be assigned to those safety issues.
            You didn’t read the book, did you Robbie? Are you afraid you might learn something? It reminds me of the stories the Catholic Priests used to tell us about sprinkling holy water on sinners who would run away screaming. LOL.

          • Robbie

            When your house is on fire or you are in a car wreck in Scotland or America its pretty much the same thing. Private fire fighting – which is how that service started – was/would be a disaster. Municipal fire fighting allows economy of scale. Stupid having 5 or 10 private companies all having to buy the same expensive equipment not to mention duplication of staff.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No Robbie, it isn’t. The Scottish may be more reckless. Or they may live in a higher percentage of multi-family dwellings. Or many other environmental and human factors. You are simply mixing apples and oranges to compare another country to ours.
            And for that matter, Robbie, we don’t even know what study you’re alluding to. All we have is your Liberal Progressive conjecture, which is worth very little.
            Robbie says — “Municipal fire fighting allows economy of scale. Stupid having 5 or 10 private companies all having to buy the same expensive equipment not to mention duplication of staff”.
            The economies of scale would still be there, Robbie. If the fire was too big for one private company, it could easily involve the other companies (for compensation of course). The Free Market would sort that out, Robbie, more efficiently, more cost effectively, and more politely.
            Similar arguments to yours have been used by Progressives since the beginning of Progressivism, and it’s funny that the Government rarely comes close to performing as well as the Private Sector. Another funny thing is that Liberal Progressives are famous for railing against Monopolies that didn’t exist, but are all for Government monopolies. Go figure.

            What keeps us safe?
            http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=193

          • Robbie

            Wow, comparing the private sector to government responsibilities! n
            Now that’s comparing apples and oranges. And even so private companies are very often pretty poorly run.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More conjecture from the Liberal Progressive Robbie.
            If Private companies don’t please their customers, they lose them. Not so for the Coercive Government Monopolists.
            What kind of ignorance does it take to not understand that somebody with a secure job isn’t going to care as much as somebody who doesn’t have one?

          • Robbie

            No conjecture at all. Huge numbers of private companies fail every year because they are poorly run. And, as a teacher, I had a very secure job and cared a great deal for what I was doing and for those who I worked for (students and their parents) as did 95% of my co-workers. Also here in Canada health care workers have secure jobs and are often not paid enough for what they do and yet their dedication to others is legend.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yes, conjecture, Robbie. You have a very secure Government job providing services that many people wouldn’t pay you for if they had a choice. If that wasn’t the case, then you wouldn’t need Government to Force it on people.

          • Robbie

            Oh, so teachers should work for free? Or are you for eliminating public education? Wow, talk about backward!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Eliminate Public Propaganda Schools? That’s a very big two thumbs up!
            You’re the backward one, Robbie. Even our ancestors 300 years ago were wise to the machinations of Public School Propagandists:
            http://mises.org/journals/jls/7_1/7_1_3.pdf

          • Robbie

            Who/what pray tell will educate future generations?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You mean Propagandize?
            Private Schools, which do a better job at half the price, would educate those children.
            In a Free Society, they (with permission from their parents) would be Free to go to work instead of being educated. It has been my experience that the people who learn the quickest and the best are those who want to learn — NOT those who have no desire but are forced to attend. Some people would be perfectly content being janitors the rest of their lives (more power to them), but those who aspired to higher occupations would educate themselves without any coercion.

          • Robbie

            Private schools? And who would be running these private schools? Religious organizations? We know how open minded they are now don’t we. If we let religious organizations get hold of children we’d have the next generation believing that snakes can talk, folks can rise from the dead and that the earth is flat.

            As far as “forcing” kids to go to school I’m sure glad that happened to me. I was a late bloomer as they say. Kept failing before the legal age to quit. Turns out I now have 3 university degrees/diplomas and was a teacher for 28 years. Wonder where I’d be if they just booted me out the door at age 13 or whatever. Then you say those interested in “higher occupations” would “educate themselves”. Oh really? I guess being a doctor or lawyer or architect or cancer researcher would be higher occupations where folks who were interested could simply “educate themselves”!!! Boy are you ever out of it. Gee, I’m now thinking that I’d like to be a language translator – according to you I can figure out how to speak Chinese all by myself.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Robbie says — “And who would be running these private schools?”.
            Anybody who wants to run a school, Robbie.

            Robbie says — “Religious organizations? We know how open minded they are now don’t we. If we let religious organizations get hold of children we’d have the next generation believing that snakes can talk, folks can rise from the dead and that the earth is flat”.
            Yes, by all means we should have Liberal Progressives, instead, who believe that Fiat Money Creation boosts economies, or that Humans are causing the Globe to Warm, or that animals should take precedence over human beings.
            I would take Religious people (I’m an atheist) over you controlling Liberal Progressive thieves, any day of the week. If you call open-minded — Forcing your way on other people and helping yourself to their money — I would rather have closed-minded people. But of course you Liberal Progressives in reality are anything BUT open-minded.

            Robbie says — “I guess being a doctor or lawyer or architect or cancer researcher would be higher occupations where folks who were interested could simply “educate themselves”!!!”.
            I didn’t say anything of the kind, Ignoramus. All of those Professionals went voluntarily to the school of their choice for those educations. Were you really a high-school teacher, Robbie? Poor kids.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Robbie says — “And who would be running these private schools?”.
            Anybody who wants to run a school, Robbie.

            Robbie says — “Religious organizations? We know how open minded they are now don’t we. If we let religious organizations get hold of children we’d have the next generation believing that snakes can talk, folks can rise from the dead and that the earth is flat”.
            Yes, by all means we should have Liberal Progressives, instead, who believe that Fiat Money Creation boosts economies, or that Humans are causing the Globe to Warm, or that animals should take precedence over human beings.
            I would take Religious people (I’m an atheist) over you controlling Liberal Progressive thieves, any day of the week. If you call open-minded — Forcing your way on other people and helping yourself to their money — I would rather have closed-minded people. But of course you Liberal Progressives in reality are anything BUT open-minded.

            Robbie says — “I guess being a doctor or lawyer or architect or cancer researcher would be higher occupations where folks who were interested could simply “educate themselves”!!!”.
            I didn’t say anything of the kind, Ignoramus. All of those Professionals went voluntarily to the school of their choice for those educations. Were you really a high-school teacher, Robbie? Poor kids.

          • Robbie

            Why are you an atheist?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Because, I am steeped in reality.
            I know that religion, among many other manipulative devices, has been used by Leaders throughout history to take advantage of the rest of the people.
            But, as I often say, at least the religious people (most of them) are actually trying to be moral and respectful to their fellow human beings, which is more than I can say for most Progressive Leaders (both kinds).
            Have you seen this, Robbie?
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

            I think it all goes back to these kind of people (throughout history):
            http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/beware-the-psychopath-my-son/

          • Robbie

            I agree with your view of religion which is why I would not want religious people in charge of actually “educating” children. We must try to go in the exact opposite of religion. The YouTube video was totally amazing. I taught ancient and medieval history for 28 years and could have used that video in class. I did introduce many of those concepts but to see it all summed up in 20 minutes was great. I’d like also to say that you are too harsh on those you consider progressive whatever that is supposed to mean. I’m in Canada and the word progressive here is a good thing. Have a great day.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And I don’t want Liberal Progressives in charge of my children’s or grandchildren’s education, Robbie. Yet currently I have no choice unless me or my kids want to pay double for our children’s education. And even then the busybodies in Government are dictating curriculum.
            If you don’t want religious people in charge of educating your children, Robbie, then don’t send them to a religious school. It’s as simple as that. You would have that choice in a Libertarian world.
            Progressives are those who have used Government to foist their agenda on other people. Government is Force. There are two main categories of Progressives (and of course mixtures of the two) — Liberal Progressives and NeoConservative Progressives. Neither are desirable to those of us who still believe in Freedom and believe that Government should only exist (if at all) to protect people from the Force of others. Instead current Government people are the Forcers from whom we need protection.
            By the way, here in the US Progressives also have a good name, but only because the Government and their captured media has Brainwashed people to believe that way. That’s why I’m here — to wake people up to reality.

          • truesoy

            Robbie,
            OriginalDave lives in LaLa Land somewhere in the middle ages.
            I guess he believes that anything ‘government’ is incompetent, but the private sector is God. Good, then where was the private sector when the ‘bad and incompetent’ government had to bail out banks and insurance companies (AIG)?.
            Ignorant people can’t understand that there is a role and a purpose for government, and that is to serve the common interest of the people, not just the interest of a selected few.
            Furthermore, for this people that lack understanding of the function of government the concept of a not for profit institution is foreign to them. However, if the government was a for profit institution there would few that could afford it, including them.
            And that is the problem we face as a society for the conservatives amongst us believe in things they don’t understand.
            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • truesoy

            Robbie,
            Hey, that’s good one!. I like it.
            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          That makes no sense, Shill Dave.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          No, instead we should pay twice the price so that the Leaders and their Pals can live lives of luxury on our backs.
          For intelligent people who would like to learn more than the Liberal Progressive Shills want you to learn:
          http://mises.org/books/roads_web.pdf

    • http://www.rt.com Alondra

      30 years ago the ex-KGB-ist Yuri Bezmenov WARNED Americans about the Communist subversion of the USA – the total destruction of the Constitutional and the Bill of Rights governing, and he explained in the details how it would be done, if Americans wouldn’t wake up.

      Please watch a clip from the G. Edward Griffin’s documentary of his interview with the ex-KGBist Yuri Bezmenov, which was conducted in 1984 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDDBZuheQxs

      Yuri Bezmenov: (@15:40) “You have, LITERALLY, several years to live on, unless United States has to wake up. The time bomb is ticking. Every second the disaster is coming closer and closer …YOU HAVE NOWHERE TO DEFECT to … This is the last country of FREEDOM and possibility.

      G. Edward Griffin: “What are your recommendations to the American people?”

      Yuri Bezmenov: “There must be the strong national effort to EDUCATE PEOPLE in the REAL SPIRIT of the national patriotism … Number two – to explain the real danger of the socialist, communist, whatever welfare state – “big brother” government. If people will fail to the danger of that development, NOTHING ever will help the United States.”

      The full documentary (1:21:28) you can watch at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnf0I2dQ0i0

      We are in the stage, which is called Tyranny.
      Legislative branch and Judicial branch are totally ignored.
      Left just Executive branch, which is acting tyrannically/dictatorially.

  • Carlos

    We know who the Democrats are, now we are finding out who the Republicans are, that is if you haven’t figured it out by now.
    Having been a Republican until 2012 I divorced myself from this political body, Now I see my move was right. What a bunch of slackers, they wouldn’t stand behind Cruz and much less they started cutting him down. Everyone of the complainers ran on an anti Obamacare platform, then when it came time to stand up for their campaign promise, they backed out. each one claimed they would rather wait until the next election when they will win the Senate then repeal the new law. What a joke!! If indeed this did happen , what would their excuse be then? “sorry folks, it’s the law and the President will veto any attempt.tot repeal it, maybe next election.we can repeal it when we win the White House.

    Anyone who would vote for these guys, might as well vote for a Democrat.
    We who consider ourselves Patriots should be worried, the current Republican Party is a farce,

    • Merle Dickey

      And the Democrates aren’t ?

      • Carlos

        Yes Dickey they are, Unfortunately most Democrats don’t care what their party stands for, their concern is, keep the free goodies coming and the party label is their banner.

        • Merle Dickey

          Right you are on that.

          • truesoy

            dickey,
            ….but do you know it is the conservatives from the red states that get most of the free goodies?.
            And do you know why they are still so diehard conservative republicans? It is because conservatives believe in things they don’t understand. And that is the truth.
            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

  • Jana

    I don’t even think you have reading comprehension skills.

  • Jana

    DDave, or should I say Socialist Dave, I have your number. I know exactly what you are. Your talk is so cheap.

  • Nadzieja Batki

    Ghandi?? You are definitely a Dem/Prog/Leftist Loon who does not know history.

  • Nadzieja Batki

    Yes, even those things.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    You must be the king of the mountain in middle-school, Shill Dave.

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Ah, yes. More libturd logs roasting on the fire. I love waking up to that smell. Here are some articles dealing with the libturds.
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/22/Palin-Hillary-Unfit-to-Be-President-Because-of-Benghazi
    http://www.redalertpolitics.com/2013/09/22/nancy-pelosi-on-spending-no-more-cuts-to-make/
    http://www.visiontoamerica.com/15916/rangel-jesus-said-youre-going-to-hell-if-you-dont-support-food-stamps-social-security/
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/24/kerry-to-sign-un-arms-treaty-despite-senators-opposition/
    Keep up the good fight fellow patriots. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
    “A christian will find it cheaper to pardon than to resent. Forgiveness saves the expense of anger, the cost of hatred, the waste of spirits.”
    Hannah Moore

    • larrylunts

      “I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” –Mahatma Gandhi

    • larrylunts

      Oh, great! A list of links to right-wing websites where drooling idiots rant about everyone who is to the left of Adolf Hitler. Thanks!

    • truesoy

      Samurai,
      It’s been a while since I go to this site. However, I’m not surprised to see you are still here the same as before and totally oblivious to reality. No wonder you’re still quoting from ‘breibart.com’. Really? are you so gullible?.
      It goes without saying though, that, conservatives really do believe in things they don’t understand.
      Sincerely,
      Truesoy

  • sherriww

    I don’t have time to go back and find the poster who left me a msg,while saying that the story about my one yr old grandson having (and so far,recovering),from cancer,was a “made up story!” Well Sir:No,it was NOT,and this family went thru Hell over it,which is why my grandson is now becoming a cancer doctor,to help children like himself. Also,MY Children father (six kids)got cancer at 27yrs old too,and died very young.But,we all had health Ins,as I said,so therefore were able to take him to Mayos,and the baby to a world renown doctor,at Riley Childrens Hosp@UofIndiana.I was simply stating fact,that without insurance,NO ONE,but StJudes will treat you,and they are the ones recommended Riley for babys’type of cancer! Just hate to see people thinking their family will get care without ins.because its bad enough without having no place to turn.

    • Merle Dickey

      Unfortunately, your going to find it dosn’t cover many things Sure they will take you but be prepared for a lot of unaccepted claims notices.I hope your child gets better.

  • truesoy

    John,
    Where were you when a certain Republican Governor in Massachusetts enacted the same healthcare reform in the ’90s?
    You were probably cheering. And why not? even the Heritage Foundation thought it was the best since God and apple pie. It was, in the words of Newt and other conservative republicans, a ‘model’ for nationwide healthcare reform.
    Boy, oh boy, how times change. You were for it before you were against it.
    John, just one question before I sign off. If it was so great then, so we were told. But now you tell us that it is so wrong, and so bad, and disgustingly awful, John, were you lying to us then, or are you lying to us now?. Which way is it, John?
    Sincerely,
    Truesoy

    • 1baronrichsnot1

      Trusoy, I guess maybe a lot of us don’t understand, the enumerated powers are the only thing the fed. gov’t can do, the only thing period! What is not given to the feds, is left to the states. How Mass. handles it’s medicical problems has nothing to do with your state, period. It has nothing to do with the federal gov’t, it doesn’t give the feds the power to take over anything that isn’t given in the constitution! Some believe the feds can piggy back on the states, and visa v., not so, the constitution speaks loud and clear on this. Massachusetts have their own program, bless them, nationally it can’t work until we have leaders equivilent to mass. Implementation of a program that will bankrupt us, cost too many jobs, rob 1.6% of our gdp, all our medicare money, all our medicaid money, put everyone on part time employment, and install a panel of doctors to determine who lives or dies, isn’t my cup of tea. You have to think clearly about this, it affects more than just you! This monstrosity will finish us off economically. Don’t put all your faith in these wrinkly demented old fearts they are largely the cause of our economic dilema. Just bless mass for their success, and don’t allow the feds to overstep their bounderies, and america will find it’s way.

      • truesoy

        1baron…
        Just pause for a moment and hear yourself and thereafter read my question one more time. And then give me an answer.
        Were they lying to us then, .or are they lying to us now?. See, once upon a time they sold it to us as if it was the answer to our prayers, and nothing short of going nationwide was good enough. There was no adverse constitutional issue then. It was all well. But now these same people are shamelessly trying to ‘un-sell’ you. And you are buying. Really?. I figure that much because you are repeating the same republican line of Bachmann, Fox, etc.
        Yes, I remember Bachmann in particular talking about a panel of doctors to decide who lives and who dies. Well, I don’t know where she got that from, however, under the present healthcare system there are ‘death panels’ and they come in many forms.
        One way for a ‘death panel’ to materialize is for the insurance company to cancel your coverage; and if this happens, good luck trying to get another insurance. Another way they can do it is by simply jacking up you premiums to the point that you could no longer afford it, and then get cancel for non-payment of premiums. Or your insurance carrier could simply tell you it will no longer cover you particular condition, and end of argument. Another way too, if you work at a company that decides to go out of the country and there goes your job and insurance as well. Or the owner or ceo could decide he/she no longer wants to insure you (yes, under the present system your health care is at the mercy of your employer too). And when any of these things happens and you lose it all, or most of it, then we taxpayers have to foot the bill, and in the form of higher insurance premiums because hospitals do ‘cost shifting’, that is charging insured people extra to make up for the uninsured.
        Another thing, the constitution does not say anything about healthcare, however George Washington forced ship owners to provide health insurance for their crew. Besides, whether healthcare reform is instituted by the state or the federal government is irrelevant for the fact remains it is still government.
        There is more to the purpose of government than collecting taxes and waging wars. The role and the purpose of government is to serve the common interest of the people and not just the interest of the few.
        Ps.- The ACA, if anything has expanded the role of the private insurance industry but, with a few additional rules to protect us from those death panels I stated above.
        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

    • Robbie

      Good points. The only reason the GOP types are against Obamacare is because the President has adopted it. It was their freakin’ idea in the first place. What hypocrites!

  • sherriww

    @Don:I saw that lady cancer survivor,talking today.While I pray she is well,what she is talking about has absolutely nothing to do with “Obamacare”one way,or another! While several nice things have gone into effect with the Obamacare,this past 2yrs,none of it can have anything to do do with any treatment this lady has had,because the only things added by Obamacare so far,has been added onto insurance people already have.Like you get free physicals every year,and free tests,and children get free shots and seniors get help to pay for medicine.But,any new insurance to give cancer treatments and so on do not start until Jan,so if this lady had trouble it had to be with ins she already had not Obamacare!

  • 1baronrichsnot1

    Obama, don’t mess with me, talking to a country where more than 65% of the folks don’t want the federal gov’t attempting to run a health care system, they can’t even safely run an embassy, and everything they establish is a pyramid because it’s the only thing they can produce. This administration and wrinkly old demented fearts in senate, don’t care about your or my health care, and its not health care, its an insurance policy, designed to limit care for the old or infirm, designed to give more power to the federal gov’t, who isn’t supposed to be doing this. They have powers limited to the powers enumerated in the constitution. Thats it, nothing else, everything and I mean everything else is left to the states. We must let the states handle their own insurance and health care for its citizens. The federal Gov’t must stick with what it is supposed to handle, screw it up, allow all kinds of graft and corruption, overspend, you know, how they usually handle things. We can’t allow them out of their enumerated powers fence, its like a cross between a pit bull and an elephant loose on the economy! Not even supposed to be in the game> The states must handle their own!

  • me

    One more like everything we get stuck with, once we get stuck with it it will be impossible to get rid of. Why can’t the congress free insurance be done away with and let our congress peoples insurance be based on Owebunhole care. Let them pay for it and get a taste of what the majority of americans will be forced to swallow. things would change mQuick.

  • http://seekingalpha.com/article/1514632 lottopol

    “….

    In the short-run, Obamacare with 30 million more people with
    health insurance means greater profits for the health care sector. However,
    retention of a basically market-priced healthcare system will ultimately prove
    untenable. One scenario could be that politicians in the USA who so far
    have demonstrated abysmal ignorance of the economics of healthcare will attempt
    a “free market solution”. As unfettered health care prices would be a disaster,
    that would probably then cause the USA to join the rest of the world
    with some type of monoposonized health care system. As most observers of the
    various health care system in world, except possibly Michael Moore, are aware this
    would not be a total panacea;

    The USA
    spends about twice as much per person on health care as other developed
    countries. However, the prices paid by Americans or their insurance carriers
    for medical procedures are typically about triple what is paid in other
    developed countries. Hence, Americans consume less health care services than
    their foreign counterparts. Obamacare does not seriously address the price
    problem and would thus appear likely to only exacerbate the problem.

    Government spending has been increasingly driven by medical
    care prices. Government pays half of the costs of health care in the USA.
    When the tax spending aspects of the tax deductibility and exclusions of
    medical care and insurance expenses are included, the impact of health care
    costs on the deficits is even larger. In many respects, the health care price
    crisis in uniquely American. Our Government spending on healthcare per capitaexceeds that of any other country in the world, including those where there is very little private health care expenditures,

    Adopting the second worst healthcare system in the world, Canada, Germany
    and the UK are probable the
    best candidates for that dubious honor, would allow the USA to
    eliminate much of the Federal budget deficit. That would probably be beneficial
    to financial markets. See: The Market
    Multiple On The S&P 500 Can Be Explained: P/E Ratios Are Inversely Related
    To Future Federal Spending http://seekingalpha.com/article/1522942-the-market-multiple-on-the-s-p-500-can-be-explained-p-e-ratios-are-inversely-related-to-future-federal-spending
    Being the second worst healthcare system after the USA,
    is like being the second worst nuclear accident in the last decade after Fukushima. There probably was another nuclear accident where a few people were injured in the last decade, but none comes to mind immediately….”
    http://seekingalpha.com/article/1647632

    • Ernest Ocepek

      I am against Obamacare. I am an American and I live in Germany(the last 26 years) We have a social medical insurance which works great and they even have big surpluses. The difference is that if you don’t want to be in the system you can insure yourself by a privat insurance company. It’s hard to get back into the system if you leave but you can.
      I can can choose which doctor I want and am covered in every area, Dentist, eye doctor, you name it. I have to pay $10 a day if I go to the hospital but that I caan afford !! The idea isn’t bad but Obama didn’t put it together well.

      • http://seekingalpha.com/article/1514632 lottopol

        The reason Germany made the list of the worst three (after the USA) is that people can opt out and not pay into the system.

    • Trudy Harteg

      Boy did i made a Misstake ever comming to this F up Country i was born an raised in Koln ,i miss at like hell .this Place gives you Medicare an then turn around an take at out again ,then you have to Pay $200.00a monthfor Suplement Ins ,then you got to pay Medication Ins ,$ 60.00 a Month ,then Pay for your Medication .what a dam rip of the American s are ,the lie true there Teeth every time the open there Mouth,i got there that i don t trust any one ,this is not a united Place ,at is a devidet srew up america ,i wish i could aford to come back to my Home Land .i hate at so much in this srewed up US

  • paendragon

    I’m Canadian, and Yes he’s right – that’s exactly how it is up here. Doctors are completely disinterested in helping people, because the government pays them anyway. So they milk the system, delay and delay, and will even refuse to simply tell you the results of negative tests (where you DON’T have problems) over the phone, because by suckering you back into their offices (at a loss of work time cost to you, as you wait for hours even then) they get to bill the government more money – hundreds of dollars – for such a “consultation!” They’re criminals! i.e: “Hi, this is Doctor Delinquent’s office, and we have your test results ready; please come in next Monday.” You show up, miss work, and wait; then: “The tests were negative, nothing’s wrong with you that way, so let’s do some more tests! Whee!”

    ;-(