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Khamenei: U.S. Is a Terrorist Nation

November 4, 2011 by  

Khamenei: U.S. Is a Terrorist Nation

The Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said this week that Iran has 100 documents that prove the United States is behind a “curtain of terror” in his country.

Iranian Supreme National Security Council Secretary Saeed Jalili is due to release a number of the documents detailing alleged U.S. involvement in acts of terror against the Islamic Republic today, according to Iranian state news agency Press TV.

Iranian officials reportedly claim that once Tehran publicizes the evidence in its possession, the United States’ government will be toppled from within by Americans united against the acts of terror.

“America tried to exert pressure on Iran and rescue itself from the Wall Street movement and its problems by the absurd terrorist scenario,” Khamenei said, referring to an alleged Iranian plot to assassinate the Saudi Arabian ambassador on American soil. “The course of events have changed in the world and by the grace of God the fight of virtue, with the pioneering of Iran, has started against the pharaoh of hegemony and will continue to its final collapse.”

The comments come as President Barack Obama continues to call for tighter sanctions on Iran and not ruling out military action against the country, according to Reuters.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • D.Mastramlaw

    Robert E. Lee, in his letter to Lord Acton (December 1866)predicted that the powers then newly concentrated in Washington, DC would become “aggressive abroad and despotic at home”. That this has happened, and is happening, is evident. THe Iranian charges cannot be dismissed out of hand.

    • DaveH

      I agree.

      • T-Texas

        I agree if we get any more of these rag heads in the US we will be a terrorist.They run the US down but they won’t go back to the sand dunes.

  • jay Lindberg

    If any other country way pulling what we are doing around the globe, they would me staring at war crime tribunals, and it just might still happen.

    Political assassination, via drones and missiles has become government policy.

    • Ted Crawford

      You certainly slected an appropiate last name! We all know that in the late ’30′s 7 ’40′s a fool with the given name of Charles wandered around the country spewing similar nonsense! Unfortunately, many were taken in by him. That cost us several thousand American lives, not to mention the untold thousands in Europe and the Pacific!
      This time around only Ron Paul and a small number of his delusional followers are seduced by this idiocy!

      • b

        Ted in a word…..you are an…..idiot….

      • Sheldon

        Ah… Ted? I believe you’re referring to Charles Lindbergh. Please note the letter ‘h’ at the end of his name and the utter lack of an ‘h’ at the end of Jay’s last name. Are we to infer that you’re a serial rapist because you share a name with a man named Bundy or a cowardly bomber because you share a name with a man named Kaczynski? Your comment is not well thought out.

        • Ted Crawford

          Interesting not one single word on the substance just rhetoric! typical of Progressives I guess!

          • Sheldon

            Actually Ted, all my words were of substance. Your name calling was unfair and uncalled for and based on faulty logic. Speaking of trying to follow your tortured logic, how does Charles Lindbergh have anything to do with Ron Paul?

          • s c

            TC, chill out, dude. You are like having a Prozac moment (too much caffeine?). Like, far out, man. People will think you’re too tightly-wrapped for your own good.
            Except for a few Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd types, most of us can get along on this website. I don’t much care what you say, but you didn’t exactly start off today with your elevator running all the way to the top, so to speak. Have an herb tea or maybe some warm milk.

      • meteorlady

        Delusional? Do you even know what that means? I’m so terribly sorry that Dr. Paul is just too smart for you to understand. You comment is insulting and meaningless.

      • DaveH

        Ted,
        If some other country were doing to us what we do around the world, you would be waving your flag and shouting “death to the intruders!”. This isn’t a football game.

      • Rick

        Ted, you are a moron.

        You need to READ history, and then hopefully, possess the capacity to actually think, though your initial reaction strongly suggests this may be asking too much…

        I am hopeful that you are not beyound at least an honest attempt.

  • cawmun cents

    What?
    Fanatics?
    They’re not fanatics.
    No!
    Not at all.
    We should listen to what they say about documents and even the journalist who broke the story…I am certain that they are all legitimate concerns.
    Lets talk about 444 days.
    Ronald Reagan.
    Let them hostages go didnt they?
    Cowards.
    -CC.

  • Believer

    United we stand, divided we fall. I can’t believe how many traitors live in my country and are anxious for its demise. Iran’s goal is to destroy America in ANY way they can. Sorry, but what they say can not be trusted.

    • eddie47d

      How is Iran threatening us in any physical way. Words are being shot back and forth all the time but the only physical threats are pointed at them. For a nation like ours that have too many fires burning in the Middle East we always seem to want more. Traitors to me are those who excel in starting wars without a clear goal in the end game whether left or right.

      • Believer

        I never said “threatening us physically”. He says “toppled from within”. There is no need for them to attack us physically when they can rebel rouse all the gullibles. It has already begun. Angry rioters pitted against whoever the left wing declares to be the enemy, (right now it is Wall Street, tomorrow it may be you). The media is leading you by the nose. This is just another attempt to divide us. I, personally, will refuse to allow hate to enter my heart. The hate will destroy us.

        • eddie47d

          You’re rambling all over the place.

      • Rick

        “How is Iran threatening us in any physical way?”

        Well let’s see, just recently, they have talked about stationing subs off the American coasts and we already know (if you have paid attention to the news these past several months) that Iranian operatives have co-opted the drug cartels to help them get into the U.S. via the Mexican border along with the fact that Iran has become very “chummy” with countries like Venezuela and Cuba. You’re probably too young to remember the strain on diplomatic relations and how close we came to a nuclear war with Russia back during the Cuban missile crisis but the situation right now with Iran’s talk of putting warships and subs off our coasts smacks exactly like that during the Cuban missile crisis. Then let’s not forget all the times that Ahmadinijad(sp?) has openly spewed his rhetoric about wanting to detonate a nuke (or more) over Israel thereby wiping Israel and the Jews off the world map. And he has said on public t.v. that he feels it is his divine calling in life…turning Iran and the entire region red with blood, in turn, making martyrs out of the Iranian people.

        So, if you don’t think Iran poses a viable physical threat to the U.S., Israel, and the rest of the world, you must be living in some other dimension or else you have a serious “denial” issue along with anyone who also doesn’t believe they pose a threat and feels they should be allowed to have nukes…like Ron Paul. Iran’s leadership is perhaps the most unstable (mental faculty-wise) in the entire region over there and we have to be ever so vigilant to ensure they are not able to carry out their long record of human rights violation and destruction of the free world as they have been advocating for years now.

        • b

          Rick…it is you who has been BRAINWASHED…..your not alone…

          • http://certus-certusblogspot.com RAYMOND HARBIN

            b, RICK HAD A LOT TO SAY , AND ABOUT ALL OF IT IS AS CORRECT AS WE ARE ABLE TO GATHER FROM TODAY’S NEW SOURCES.

            I TRULY ADMIRE MUCH OF RON PAUL’S MESSAGE–BUT HE IS OBVIOUSLY WRONG ABOUT IRAN–YESTERDAY–THE TOP DOG SAID THEY COULD REACH THE USA WITH WEAPONRY. WE HAVE NO PROOF OF THAT–BUT NO SANE AMERICAN WOULD DOUBT THE POSSIBILITY SINCE OUR OWN INTELLIGENCE REPORT IRAN HAS ENOUGH NUCLEAR MATERIAL FOR TWO ATOM BOMBS.

            PAUL DOES NOT SEEM TO REALIZE THAT IRAN IS A LEADER IN COVERT TERRORISM PREP FOR MUSLIM MURDERERS. NOR DOES HE SEEM TO REALIZE THAT THE MUSLIM WORLD HAS THEIR CANNON SITES ON AMERICAS HEART–EVEN THOUGH THEY DECLARE SO EVERY SINGLE DAY.

            I TOTALLY AGREE WITH PAUL’S IDEAS ON OUR PLAYING POLICEMEN OF THE UNIVERSE. BUT WHAT HE SEEMS TO IGNORE IS THE PATENT FACT THAT MUCH OF THE ENTIRE WORLD VIEWS US AS A NATION THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT DOWN.

            LIBERTARIANS ARE PEOPLE OF STRONG PRINCIPALS, BUT THEY PUSH THOSE SQUARE PRINCIPALS INTO ROUND HOLES. THE COST OF DRUG CONTROL IS **NOT** A RATIONAL EXCUSE FOR LEGALIZATION OF THE GREATEST SOURCE DANGER TO OUR CHILDREN IN THE WORLD TODAY. SUCH AN ABSURD IDEA IS APPLICABLE TO ***ALL*** OF OUR LAWS– INCLUDING MURDER AND RAPE PREVENTION JUSTIFIES LEGALIZATION.

            BECAUSE WE WERE NUTS WITH OUR MILITARY FOR DECADES HAS ABSOLUTELY ZERO REDUCTION OF DANGER INHERENT OF OTHER MILITARY CHALLENGES. PAST ERRORS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MANIFEST DANGER OF IMBICILIC MUSLIMS. ONE PRINCIPLE
            WILL NOT FIT ALL SITUATIONS.

            IN AN EFFORT TO SIMPLIFY OUT DANGERS– LIBERTARIANS LOSE SIGHT OF THE DANGER ITSELF.

            THE POLITICAL, HATE-INSPIRED VULNERABILITY OF THIS REPUBLIC HAS NEVER BEEN AS IT IS TODAY.

            HAVING THE ENEMY WITHIN THE GATE, IN WASHINGTON, MULTIPLIES THIS INHERENT THREAT ENORMOUSLY

          • Joe H.

            Raymond,
            Watch the news in the next few months. We may not have to worry about Iran at all. Isriael is training and getting ready to his iran real well, if they don’t back away from their nuke ambitions!!! They have already stated that they will go unilaterally if they have to and the US has said they won’t stop their planes!!

        • eddie47d

          Yes Rick I am a young 64 and remember the failed Bay of Pigs assault and the Cuban Missile Crises. There again Cuba was threatened by the US and Cuba sought help(Russia)which increased the threat to the US. Kennedy did the right thing in forcing the missles out of Cuba but beyond that Cuba does have a right to defend itself and our 60 year boycott has long past its expiration date.

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            got a real good suggestion for you. go down to Miami, get on a soapbox, and preach that our boycott of Cuba is long past it due date!!! You want Roses or lillys? On your grave, that is!!

          • eddie47d

            Poor Joe is still playing war games to boost his patriotism. Still uses his military “intelligence” to keep the USA in perpetual wars.

          • Rick USAF (ret)

            Eddie, Eddie, Eddie….
            You know not what you speak of. After 20 plus years as an Intelligence analyst I can assure you the threat by Iran is real. Another stupid remark Ron Paul made in one of the debates is (to paraphrase here) “why do we have troops in Korea? We’re not at war with them anymore.” More proof that he doesn’t have a clue because technically we STILL ARE at war with the North because no formal end to the Korean war has ever been declared…we are in a state of armistace. That is why we still have troops in South Korea but, again, that minor detail seems to elude Ron Paul.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Joeh,

            And that threat can be summarized as the Zionist’s “global agenda.” … The Zionist Illuminati are the driving force behind a one-world government New World …
            http://www.cephas-library.com/nwo/nwo_zionist_agenda_controls_goliath.html

          • Joe H.

            cm,
            i just looked up this author and he wrote another article titled “ARepublican for Barack”. I really trust HIS vision!!!

        • Earl

          I do grow weary of constantly having to correct over and over again the the correction to the forever echoing statement “Of wiping Israel off the map”. This is a corruption of the Farsi quote which said:

          ***The ZIONIST REGIME must vanish from the pages of time.***

          I’ll spare you the Farsi version, since few if any speak it…

          I pride myself on understanding the true meaning of statements, and I can’t see where anyone capable of critical thinking who is unbiased would misinterpret a REGIME as a country. One might want to do a little research on Zionism and The Talmud before putting words to paper (or blog).

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        eddie,

        Zionist are the problem,not the Arabs.

        Truman was inexperienced in foreign affairs and initially felt he was out of his … If peace in the Middle East is important to you, please help us by making a … Truman said, ” I will handle this problem not in the light of oil, but in the light of justice.” ….. and the thing I have been doing, is to do what I think is right and let them all …
        http://www.mideastweb.org/us_supportforstate.htm -

    • metalflyer11

      So we are traitors if we do not support our Governments propaganda. I am sure Hitler would have said the same thing to the many Germans that did not agree with his policy of war and agression. Do you know how Hitler achieved this? With FEAR tactics. He’s got his entire nation behind him to justify the agression. Sounds familiar? Just tell me what would IRAN stand to gain in attacking the US? They are not stupid, they know we have vast more firepower than them.
      I am sure a lot of the western Corporations would love to get their hands in their oil & sweet fat contracts in reconstruction, base building etc…. WAR IS A RACKET!!!!$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  • wandamurline

    All could be alleviated throughout the middle east with six B-52′s and 48 soldiers…then there would be peace, because they would all be dead and until they are, nothing will ever change…they are like rats, multiplying at a fast rate and they turn on each other and have for centuries.

    • http://personalliberty lili

      your psychotic

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      joeh

      Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian Agriculture …. For a time she earned her living teaching Hebrew. her father and brother now live in Israel. Although …
      http://www.cephas-library.com/israel/israel_communism_was_jewish.html

      • Joe H.

        cm,
        your site proves NOTHING. It gives no identity of said author, no identifying marker as to who this group is, and the way it is set up, YOU could have wrote it!!!

        • Joe H.

          excuse me, that should be written it!

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          cm,
          “your site proves NOTHING. It gives no identity of said author, no identifying marker as to who this group is, and the way it is set up, YOU could have wrote it”!!!Check their family backgrounds,starting with Lenin, ending with Kaganovitch,Stalin’s brother in law.I thimk I prove my point.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Joeh,
            Aug 7, 2010 … “Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war”-Jeremiah 51:20 … Ravage acknowledges the jews are very influential in media, … It appeared in THE CENTURY MAGAZINE, JANUARY 1928, Vol. …. He became the Apostle to the Gentiles, he who hitherto had been one of …… Quotes on the Jewish Conspiracy …
            http://thy-weapon-of-war.blogspot.com/2010/08/rabbi-marcus-eli-ravage-1928-real-case.html -

          • Joe H.

            CM,
            you are nothing but an anti-semite. I have heard your type bellow before and usually they have very short haircuts and are called skinheads!!

  • eddie47d

    The threat against the Saudi Prince/Ambassador was real although rather poorly thought out. There is little love lost between the Saudis and Iran yet we always get pulled into the fray. The USA hasn’t been popular in the Middle East for decades yet we still feel obligated to whip the hornets nest. The fact that we have been threatening Iran for quite some time gives relevancy to what their supreme leader says. Now Iranians are hardly saints in their continued support of Hezbollah which keeps Lebanon in turmoil and Israel nervous. There were two events in the paper earlier this week. One says Khamenei wants to dump Ahmadinejad and abolish his position. That could be a good sign or a very bad sign in whether Khamenei wants more power for himself. The other story was about Israel wanting to go it alone and defend itself without US approval or interference. That may be a good sign also or a sinister plot to attack Iran (bomb)which would eventually drag in the USA anyway. The greater question should be are we accomplishing anything in the Middle East or stirring up more troubles. Is it time to completely get out withdraw our financial support and let these countries sink or swim on their own.

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      1 day ago … Read ‘Khamenei accuses U.S. of “terror” attacks in Iran’ on Yahoo! … “undeniable documents” proving the United States has been behind “terrorist acts” in the Islamic state and elsewhere in the Middle East. … Skip to search. …
      http://news.yahoo.com/khamenei-accuses-u-terror-attacks-iran-192702020.html -

  • Ken Brody

    Khameini is a totalitarian zealot with no perception of reality. Iran, having essentially declared war on the USA and our ally, Israel, now calls our acts to defeat his regime “terrorism”.

    Iran is no more than weeks away from producing their own U6 weapons material. Experts believe that they have at least 2 working nukes from Russian sources. They have demonstrated missile delivery systems capable of reaching everywhere in the Mideast and parts of Europe. They have at least two seagoing missile launch platforms. They may have a nuclear capable cruise missile.

    Listening to this guy does not make me feel safe – he sounds like the madman he is.

    • aurelio nunez

      Iran, when they start to use their weapons they must realize that their country will be totally destroyed. they
      can have all the weapons they want for their country will no more. the beginning of the of total war and maybe the end of civilization.

      • 45caliber

        They know this. But the leaders have a safe place to go and they don’t care about the rest of the people as long as they can attack their enemies. Sadly, too many countries of the world are in the same situation.

    • eddie47d

      If Iran feels threatened by the US then they will want more weapons not less.(So stop threatening them) We’ve baited Iran as the bad guy for decades when most of the turmoil in the Middle East has come from Iraq,Syria,Yemen and even the Israeli/Palestinian situation. Assad has killed more of his people than the Iranian leaders so we never have a clear picture of who the bad guys are. Because the Middle East is considered the Holy Lands we feel obligated to war in that region without understanding the consequences of each action. I agree Iran could be manipulated by Russia being neighbors but that is where diplomacy comes in. I believe rouge governments like Afghanistan or Somalia can be a greater threat to us than Iran. Who’s hiding al Qaeda these days not Iran. The potential terrorist who tried to blow up the Detroit bound airliner was from Nigeria so maybe the little countries can be the bigger headaches.

      • Joe H.

        eddie,
        Who’s funding and arming AQ?? Iran!

  • Roger, Canadian Libertarian

    A person doesn’t have to be right about everything to be right about somethings and that same person doesn’t have to be liked to be right….but WE must have the courage and foresight to overlook a person’s foibles and see when he or she speaks the truth and Khomeini is right about the U..S. government and the establishment being a major terrorists of this world….BUT wr must also know that the U.S. is not alone in it eveil pursuits.It is partnered with Britain and Israel anda times ISRAEL takes the lead.

    • http://personalliberty lili

      here here

    • 45caliber

      Roger:

      I depends upon your definition of “terrorist”. The government’s definition is apparently veterans, Christians, and anyone who disagrees with Oblama. My definition is anyone who tried to frighten others into doing whatever they are told by killing innocent people in the worst way possible. And I don’t really believe the US has been trying to do that.

  • brian

    Solve the problem of Islamic Fundamentalists.
    Nuke all towelheads end of problem and then go looking for another problem….gotta love america.

  • DaveH

    Some day the chickens will come home to roost. It’s too bad that the intelligent peaceful ones among us will have to suffer for the actions of the war-mongers.

  • Jay

    Bush was to be the keynote speaker at Keren Hayesod’s annual dinner on February 12 in Geneva. But pressure has been building on the Swiss government to arrest him and open a criminal investigation if he enters the Alpine country.

    Criminal complaints against Bush alleging torture have been lodged in Geneva, court officials say.

    Human rights groups said they had intended to submit a 2,500-page case against Bush in the Swiss city on Monday for alleged mistreatment of suspected militants at Guantanamo Bay, the U.S. naval base in Cuba where captives from Afghanistan, Iraq and other fronts in the so-called War on Terror were interned.

    Leftist groups had also called for a protest on the day of his visit next Saturday, leading Keren Hayesod’s organizers to announce that they were cancelling Bush’s participation on security grounds — not because of the criminal complaints.

    But groups including the New York-based Human Rights Watch and International Federation of Human Rights (FIDH) said the cancellation was linked to growing moves to hold Bush accountable for torture, including waterboarding. He has admitted in his memoirs and television interviews to ordering use of the interrogation technique that simulates drowning.

    “He’s avoiding the handcuffs,” Reed Brody, counsel for Human Rights Watch, told Reuters.

    The action in Switzerland showed Bush had reason to fear legal complaints against him if he travelled to countries that have ratified an international treaty banning torture, he said.

    Brody is an American-trained lawyer specialized in pursuing war crimes worldwide, especially those allegedly ordered by former leaders, including Chile’s late dictator Augusto Pinochet and Chad’s ousted president Hissene Habre. Habre has been charged by Belgium with crimes against humanity and torture, and is currently exiled in Senegal.

    PROSECUTE OR EXTRADITE

    “President Bush has admitted he ordered waterboarding which everyone considers to be a form of torture under international law. Under the Convention against Torture, authorities would have been obliged to open an investigation and either prosecute or extradite George Bush,” Brody said.

    Swiss judicial officials have said that Bush would still enjoy a certain diplomatic immunity as a former head of state.

    Dominique Baettig, a member of the Swiss parliament from the right-wing People’s Party, wrote to the Swiss federal government last week calling for the arrest of Bush for alleged war crimes if he came to the neutral country.

    Bush, in his “Decision Points” memoirs on his 2001-2009 presidency, strongly defends the use of waterboarding as key to preventing a repeat of the September 11 attacks on the United States.

    Most human rights experts consider the practice a form of torture, banned by the Convention on Torture, an international pact prohibiting torture and other cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment or punishment. Switzerland and the United States are among 147 countries to have ratified the 1987 treaty.

    “Whatever Bush or his hosts say, we have no doubt he canceled his trip to avoid our case. The message from civil society is clear – If you’re a torturer, be careful in your travel plans. It’s a slow process for accountability, but we keep going,” the Paris-based FIDH and New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights said in a joint statement on Saturday.

    Sami El Hadjj, a former Al Jazeera journalist and former detainee at Guantanamo, had been due to speak at their news conference in Geneva on Monday, where they will release the 2,500-page complaint.

    “I’m surprised he (Bush) would even consider visiting a country that has ratified the torture convention and which takes its responsibilities seriously,” said Brody.

    “I think George Bush’s world is a very small place at the moment,” he said. “He may enjoy some kind of impunity in the United States, but other countries will not treat him so indulgently.”

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/05/us-bush-torture-idUSTRE7141CU20110205

    • s c

      J, you’d be better off explaining WHY it is that ‘some’ people never get around to acting on investigations until 5 or 10 years after the fact/allegation. If something is important, it’s important NOW. When people wait to react/act, it’s usually a matter of a hidden agenda.
      GB can rise or fall on his own. He doesn’t need my help. Frankly, I thought I’d seen every ‘what about GB’ rant possible – until I saw yours. While we’re at it, let’s dig up FDR and put him on trial. Now THERE’s a REAL war criminal, economy buster and enemy of freedom.

      • Jay

        s c, i suspect the reason for the delay would be to allow adequate time to compile evidence? After all, we are dealing with an ex-President of the United States, and not backward bedouins who’s trials consisted of verdicts being handed down by our deranged administration, whom, by the way, as with the previous, insist on maintaining, with respect to the middle-east, the same policies that will ensure the need for the war on terror. But debating who is the terrorist, is liken to the question of which came first, the chicken or the egg? Quite frankly i would much rather discuss the later, as that, would be to me, a no brainer, unless of course you are debating with one who is brainless.

        You stated that the article above was just another “anti-bush rant” on my part, yet the article includes former leaders, including Chile’s late dictator Augusto Pinochet and Chad’s ousted president Hissene. So i suppose “my rant” is not exclusive to Bush! Notice the word include, which might suggest that Bush is not being singled-out, and that the list may include others. As well, and i should have added, as my opening statement should make clear, that all blame should not fall only on Mr. Bush.

        Will this go anywhere? Is there an agenda? My answer to both is yes! Contradictory answer? No, not really, as politics is merely a reflection, or a manifestation of the electorate, or, human nature on display, both here, and abroad!

        You wish to understand politics s c, current events, world-wide? Observe children in a playground at play, and you will no longer be confounded by unfolding world events!

        • DaveH

          I’m with you, Jay.
          I tire of these people who will stick up for their team no matter what immoral thing they might do.

          • Jay

            Thank you Dave, my sentiments exactly! And i ask, is it so unreasonable to insist on a balanced perspective?

  • Jim

    When Iran drops the bomb on Israel how will the USA react? I ask can we stop Iran from dropping the bomb or should we?

    • Joe H.

      Jim,
      If israiel thinks they are imminent in obtaining the bomb, I very much DOUBT iran will get the chance to use it. After the way Imadinnerjacket has threatened them, denied the holocaust, and called for their total destruction, I can’t say that I blame them!! Now, I know this isn’t a popular belief here but I have quite a few close friends that are Jewish and think very highly of them and will not shirk my responsibility to them!

    • 45caliber

      Jim:

      If they can be stopped, we should do it. The reason? If we don’t, there will be a war that will literally “end all wars”. There won’t be enough people left after it to fight another war for many, many years.

  • Jay

    Contrary to myth being fabricated, Islam does not pose a threat to the West. Rather, Islamic “terrorist” organizations have been created to serve Western imperialistic objectives. These groups are intertwined with Western power through a network of occult secret societies. This relationship dates back to sixth century BC, and the birth of the Kabbalah, in Babylon; a plot to seek world domination through the use of magic and deception.

    Herod the Great incepted a series of cooperative dynastic relationships. Their first conspiracy: to corrupt the emerging Christian movement, imposed upon the Roman Empire as Catholicism, with which they would struggle ever since for supremacy over Western civilization.

    During the Crusades, these dynastic families associated with their counterparts in the East, members of the heretical Ismaili Muslims of Egypt, known as the Assassins. Templars were believed to have “rescued” a number of these “Eastern Mystics”, and brought them to Scotland, being the basis Scottish Rite Freemasonry. The legend also led to the formation of the “Asiatic Brethren”, founded by followers of the infamous Jewish false-messiah, Shebbetae Zevi. The Asiatic Brethren then became the successors of the Illuminati, and became involved in the development of Egyptian Rite Freemasonry.

    With Napoleon’s conquest of Egypt, Freemasons in his army reconnected with their brethren in Egypt, sparking a relationship that was pivotal to the development of the Occult Revival of the late nineteenth century.

    These associations were part of a grand strategy, as outlined by Albert Pike, who originally devised a plot for three world wars, culminating in a third against the Muslim world. However, because the Islamic world had been successfully dismantled, both through the instigations of the West, and by way of their own corruption, they were incapable of mobilizing any kind of threat. It therefore had to be contrived.

    This was the agenda of the Oxford Movement, to spread Scottish Rite Freemasonry in the Middle East, headed by Lord Palmerston, Benjamin Disraeli and Edward Bullwer-Lytton, a leading occult figure, as head of the SRIA, or English Rosicrucians, which evolved directly from the Asiatic Brethren.

    The agent of this strategy was a notorious impostor by the name of Jamal ud Din al Afghani, who became the founder of what is called the Salafi “reform” movement of Islam. According to K. Paul Johnson, it was Afghani, as head of the occult Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor, or HB of L, who was responsible for teaching Helena Blavatsky her central doctrines. Helena P. Blavatsky, the famous medium and mystic, was the godmother of the New Age movement, whose books are considered the “bibles” of Freemasonry.

    Numerous other leading occultists affiliated with the English Rosicrucians and Egyptian Rite Freemasonry travelled to Egypt at the time, and on their return, established branches of the HB of L, out of which emerged the Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO), the most notorious member of which was Aleister Crowley.

    The Nazis were the result of a merging of the O.T.O of Crowley and the Thule Gesselschaft of Germany. It is presumably for this reason that Hitler, when he wished to create an arm of German Intelligence in Egypt, contacted a leading Salafi and Freemason, named Hasan al Banna. With the demise of the Nazis following WWII, control of the organization was transferred to the CIA. It was its eventual head, Allen Dulles who spearheaded the move to hire ex-Nazis to train the terrorists.

    In 1954, after it was discovered that the Muslim Brotherhood was responsible for an attack on his life, President Gamal Nasser of Egypt ordered a crackdown. Fleeing members of the Muslim Brotherhood were then shuttled to the CIA’s ally, Saudi Arabia.

    The Salafi movement has since come to be spearheaded by Saudi Arabia, and identified as one and the same as the heresy of Wahhabism. Wahhabism was created by the British, in the eighteenth century to undermine the Ottoman Empire, and to achieve Western control of the world’s primary oil resource. Today, the promotion of Wahhabism is part of a larger Western agenda, involving the CIA, to denigrate Islam. According to William Engdahl, it was Henry Kissinger who orchestrated the Oil Crisis of 1973. The subsequent wealth achieved by Saudi Arabia then served as a hidden slush fund for CIA covert operations.

    When John Loftus, a Justice Department official in the eighties, was permitted to peruse classified government documents, he discovered that the British Secret Service convinced American intelligence that the Arab Nazis of the Muslim Brotherhood would be indispensable as “freedom fighters” in preparation for the next major war, which was anticipated against the Soviet Union.

    And so, when the Americans wished to lure the Soviets into their own version of Vietnam, they did so by funding factions of the Muslim Brotherhood in Afghanistan. Financed and coordinated through the assistance of the Pakistani secret service, the ISI, it became the largest CIA covert operation in history.

    It was all part of the larger the Iran-Contra Operation. Through the devious activities of the Aspen Institute and the Club of Rome, in collaboration with the Muslim Brotherhood, British agent the Ayatollah Khomeini was installed in Iran. The Americans then began illegally trading arms with the country, proceeds of which were used to fund the right-wing Contra thugs of Nicargua, in return for cocaine which sparked America’s crack epidemic. These funds, in addition to growing heroin trade in Afghanistan, were used to fund the US’s covert war in Afghanistan.

    Through this strategy, not only did the Americans succeed in bankrupting the Soviet Union, but they also managed to create a budding network of Islamic terrorists, brainwashed in the radical ideologies of Wahhabism and Salafism, who dispersed across the world, and who were then blamed as responsible for the great false flag operation known as 9/11, which allowed its hidden planners to embark on their War on Terror, Samuel Huntington’s “Clash of Civilizations”, or the beginnings of Pike’s WWIII.

    http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/content/complete-online-version

    • 45caliber

      Jay:

      The first instance of assassins as a political tool that I’m familiar with was Mohammed’s nephew. When Mohammed died, the Muslim world split between accepting his nearest kin, his nephew, as the new ruler or the most holy person. I don’t remember which wanted which but that was the beginning of the Shiite/Sunni break. His nephew, who was not a nice man, lost and ended up in Turkey.

      He then decided to use assassination to intimidate the rest of the known Muslim world into obeying him. (He was the one who created the story of Paradise and the 72 virgins) He was not successful but a lot of people were assassinated. Others later tried to mimic his actions.

      Incidently, on the Iran/Contra thing, I think most real historians have realized that the entire story of the Contra thing was created in the imagination of a CBS reporter there who was also Communist. He wanted to get the US to stop aiding the non-Communists and “created” the story to get public opinion on his side. When it was discovered, CBS immediately fired him and then stopped all further reporting of the story, although they never publically admitted it was false.

  • 45caliber

    What is the definition of terrorism?

    That is the real problem with today’s world. EVERYTHING now done is called terrorism – even when it most definately is not.

    Terrorism is the act of attempting to create fear in the civilian (innocent) population so that people will allow the one causing that fear to gain control.

    The suicide bombers are excellent examples of that. They deliberately target innocent targets, preferably children or women, in hope of “terrorizing” the rest into giving the power of control to their allies and friends.

    I think if these papers are ever released we will learn that there is nothing of this done by America – although I’m certain that a lot of liberals will claim so in an attempt to achieve their agenda.

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