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Keystone XL: America Passes The Oil To China?

November 16, 2011 by  

Keystone XL: America Passes The Oil To China?

Like former University of North Carolina Head Basketball Coach Dean Smith, another famous on-the-sly smoker, President Barack Obama ran out the clock on an important game.

Coach Smith devised the “four corners” offense as a way to maintain possession of the ball late in a game his team led. By stationing players at each of the four corners that define the offensive side of the court and quickly passing the ball around the perimeter, Smith hoped to draw out a desperate defense, exposing gaps that could be penetrated for easy layups or forcing the opposition to commit fouls, sending Tar Heels to the free throw line to add to their lead.

Obama’s current situation can hardly be described as a “lead,” though “incumbency” is probably worth much more than any snapshot poll this far out in the 2012 game. But his “players” — left-leaning interest groups critical to get-out-the-vote efforts — aren’t of the same mind on Keystone XL, and he could not afford to offend environmentalists opposed to anything that encourages the use of fossil fuels.

So this $7 billion, 1,700-mile pipeline project won’t be settled on matters of policy. It will be settled according to politics, and Obama has decided that Keystone XL must go away until after his re-election campaign climaxes.

Because the pipeline crosses the U.S.-Canada border, standard procedure was designed to culminate with a final decision by the U.S. State Department. But in Foggy Bottom, too, are new impediments lurking that serve the President’s electoral interest.

Spurious allegations of conflict of interest by the consulting firm that prepared an environmental impact study for the State Department prompted a group of U.S. Senators to write a letter.

TransCanada, acting as instructed by the State Department and in accordance with Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) third-party contractor practice, upon which the Department of State practice is modeled, issued a request for proposal in late 2008 for the Department of State that led to the hiring of Cardno ENTRIX, a unit of Australia-based Cardno Ltd (ASX: CDD, OTC: COLDF). This is the same third-party selection process that has been used on a regular basis for many years by FERC, which processes certificate applications for interstate natural gas pipelines.

TransCanada screened the contractors who responded to the request for proposal for technical ability, experience and appropriate personnel, and recommended a number of qualified candidates to the State Department — standard practice for selecting a third-party contractor to carry out a review under the U.S. National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA).

There are a limited number of firms that specialize in this type of work, Cardno ENTRIX among them. As the permit applicant, TransCanada is handed the bill for the work that the State Department directs Cardno ENTRIX to carry out for this part of its review. The work is done at the sole direction of the State Department; TransCanada had no say in directing that work.

It is not in Cardno’s interest to submit compromised work. To believe Cardno Entrix is in the tank for TransCanada is to believe it, its managers and its shareholders don’t care about its business. “Conflict of interest” is a red herring.

As for the fact that a former lesser light in Hillary Clinton’s 2008 Presidential campaign now lobbies for TransCanada, undoing a massive infrastructure project that will employ many people on the U.S. side of the border because of the well-known revolving door between public and private in Washington, D.C., is the equivalent of selective prosecution.

At any rate, Paul Elliott did not have the kind of role in the Clinton campaign that would even afford him access — forget influence — on any kind of decision made at the State Department. The emails he exchanged with an equally diligent but unknown official at the U.S. embassy in Ottawa, Canada, are irrelevant, too.

Let’s concede that TransCanada’s forecast of the number of jobs that will be created by construction and operation of Keystone XL is rosy. Nevertheless, if not 20,000 direct jobs, then certainly more than one will be created. For a President leading a party that a little more than two years ago spoke of the importance of “shovel-ready” infrastructure projects to jump-starting the economy, shutting down a privately funded $7 billion project should be political suicide. It’s this reality, as well as the pain of close to 10 percent unemployment, that had American unions lined up in favor of the pipeline.

Opposition at the local level is overstated. This is not a monolithic coalition out to stop all manner of oil exploration and development. Nebraskans, Democrats and Republicans are interested only in protecting the Ogallala Aquifer. Had the original footprint of XL followed the existing path of the Keystone Pipeline System, I wouldn’t have written this.

And then there are those who fear and oppose any exploitation of fossil fuels. They are right to point out risks of environmental damage from a potential leak in the pipeline and warn of resulting cleanup costs. As much as Greens want the era of fossil fuels to end, we seem still to be short of alternatives capable of providing, for example, reliable baseload electricity or constant access to transportation fuel.

Any attempt to speed up the arrival of the day when we finally transition from petroleum-based fuels will bring extra costs that will have disproportionately large impacts as you move down the socioeconomic scale. Keystone XL would help reconcile the price disparity between U.S.-focused, cheaper West Texas Intermediate crude oil and global-oriented, more expensive lately Brent crude and, theoretically, result in incrementally higher gas prices. This is a short-term concern. Over the long-term, facilitating the development of a local resource under friendly political control is in the best interests of consumers and the United States.

The long-term, big-picture concern also includes the fact that the oil sands will be processed, regardless of what happens with Keystone XL. And crude from the play will undoubtedly end up traversing the U.S.-Canada border and making its way to Midwest and Gulf Coast refineries.

Keystone XL’s 700,000 barrel-per-day capacity would relieve the buildup of crude in the Midwest, which doesn’t have enough pipelines to ship Canadian output to Gulf Coast refineries. And Canada’s oil sands output would also help relieve a crunch U.S. Gulf Coast refineries will face when Venezuelan crude supply contracts expire in 2014.

Whether Keystone XL is built, interest will continue to grow in exporting Canadian energy to Asia. The company pushing this forward is Enbridge Inc. (TSX: ENB, NYSE: ENB) — with the backing of Chinese investors. Its key project is a proposed $5.5 billion pipeline to bring 525,000 barrels of oil from the oil sands to the Pacific Coast for shipment to refineries in California and Asia.

There are still opponents, largely on environmental grounds. And it’s far from a sure thing Northern Gateway will be built. But the process will be far less complicated.

Obama may have doomed Keystone XL. But whether the pipeline and the President survive, demand for crude from Canada’s oil sands will continue. If America passes on Canadian oil sands altogether, it’s easy to identify the likely beneficiaries: China and India.

(This article originally appeared in Investing Daily.)

–David Dittman

Dr. David Eifrig Jr.

is the editor of two of Stansberry's best advisory services. One of his advisories, Retirement Millionaire, is a monthly letter showing readers how to live a millionaire lifestyle on less than you'd imagine possible. He travels around the U.S. looking for bargains, deals and great investment ideas. Already his average reader has saved $2,793 since 2008 (documented in each Retirement Millionaire issue). He also writes Retirement Trader, a bi-monthly advisory that explains simple techniques to make large, but very safe, gains in the stock and bond markets. This is a pure finance play and the reason Porter Stansberry loves having "Doc" on the team. Doc holds an MBA from Kellogg and has worked in arbitrage and trading groups with major Wall Street investment banks (Goldman Sachs). In 1995, he retired from the "Street," went to UNC-Chapel Hill for medical school and became an ophthalmologist. Now, in his latest "retirement," he joined Stansberry & Associates full-time to share with readers his experiences and ideas.

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  • Alex

    No tarsands. Stop being pigs with energy. Cut back. Morons.

    • den

      If we don’t take the needed oil from Canada Asia will. So one way or another it will be sold and used, so for those thinking they are going to stop the “carbon release?” by stopping the US from getting the oil aren’t thinking.
      To have the access to 700,000bbls/day that is 700k less that we will get from overseas. I think it is a good deal for us so Obama better not screw this one up.

      • ChristyK

        The pipeline will not add to oil useage, it will replace other oil that we will use if the pipeline is not built. We can get it from the middle east (not known for being environmentally concerned) and shipped by ships (which burn oil and are more likely to leak or have a major spill than a pipeline) or we can get the oil from the pipeline (which historically is less likely to spill especially major spills) and will produce jobs and generate tax revenue.

        Also, the middle east is especially unstable now. Our national security requires a reliable source of oil which the canadian oil pipeline will supply.

        If we don’t use the oil, Asia will use the oil. Who do you think will use the oil in a more environmentally sound fashion, US or China? Obama putting off the approval will likely make the decision for us. The oil, jobs, and tax revenue will all go to China.

      • KHM

        @den,
        I think Zero has already screwed this one up as you said. He dithered, deliberately or because he is unable to make a decision. The Canadians have said they don’t want to wait until after our 2012 election for an answer. They have interested parties waiting in the wings.
        The enviros cost us this access to a good supply of North American oil. The unions, the other big backers of O wanted it because of all the jobs.

    • Sirian

      Alex,
      Have you had your orange juice this morning? If not please go get a bit and never, ever, ever heat your house/apartment, own a car, grow your own food – vegan diet only – make your own clothes, provide your own concoction of herbal medicines to bring your health to an optimum within three days OR come back to reality and carry on in a world of common sense and rational thinking – you just might find it interesting.

    • Bogusbob

      You are apparently an idiot. I guess you don’t drive, you don’t live in a house or apt. You don’t use anything made from plastic.You don’t wear clothes. You must be one of the flea-bags trying to OWS. It must be nice to be so ignorant.

      • Vagabond

        he probaly lives in his mothers basement,

        • Old Henry

          I work down at the Pizz Pit. I drive an old Hyundi. I still live with my mom and dad, I’m five foot three and overweight. I head down to my basement bedroom and fire up my MAC…

    • DaveH

      You’re the moron, Alex. What we need to cut back on is the disproportionate number of Liberals in our Government. Most of them can’t even run their own lives (hence their need to ride on the shoulders of others), and yet they think they know best how to run our lives. Dream on, Alex.

    • Vagabond

      Alex you sound like an IDIOT,

    • Opal the Gem

      How much is China paying you these days Alex?

      • eddie47d

        Canada’s pipeline to the Pacific Coast has been planned for several years and that one presents even more environmental damages and financial problems to that region (High mountains and numerous rivers). That oil will go to whoever the West Coast buyers are. Whether California,Japan or even China. That segment of the pipeline is Canada’s concern and their free market decision and there is opposition to that plan also. We must balance what we take front the earth and how we leave it afterwards

        • Dale on the left coast

          eddie . . . enbridge has had a pipeline to the west coast for decades and the amount of damage in almost nill compared to rail cars falling of the rails in the Fraser Canyon.
          Fact is eddie . . . the world runs on oil, the Enviro-loons have little concept of reality . . . look at their leaders like Al Bore, Suzuke and others, flying around the globe, living large while preaching nonsense to the “Believers”.

          • eddie47d

            Environmentalists see what is happening to the reality of the world. Over population,more species on endangered list,environmental damages,corporate irresponsibility in cleaning up after themselves and contaminated water supplies. You know those things that “Enviro-wackos” care about and want to put a stop to that recklessness. They surely must be the enemy if you say so!

          • Old Henry

            eddie:

            Over population is a big lie propagated by the NWO crowd. They want the population down to levels they can control and managee to their benefit.

          • eddie47d

            I think you are mistaken Henry. Corporations/NWO thrive on Over Population for then they will always have more than enough workers to exploit.

          • Opal the Gem

            eddie according to the doom and gloomers we have been just below the population limit for at least the last 300 years. Isn’t it strange we have never reached that limit.

          • George E

            Eddie,

            Environmentalists have a big hearts but small brains (apparently) unless they actually want to ruin our economy, standard of living, and health and welfare. In which case, the best you can say is that they have a deficit in judgment as they seem willing to accept the risk of damage to our lifestyle with a high probability of occurrence over the risk of damage to the environment with a low probability of occurrence. The only way environmentalists can “sell” their arguments to normally sane people is to over-state the probable damage or risk of occurrence which facts simply don’t support.

    • texastwin827

      Alex, try having a little knowledge with your smoothie, in the morning.

      While the US does consume a LOT of oil, we also have a large population and, while we exceed China’s consumption by about 10,000 thousand barrels per day, keep in mind that a large majority of China’s population does NOT own a car and a large amount of their housing does not use oil for heat!

      In 2010, our consumption was 19,277 thousand barrels per day
      http://www.eia.gov/cfapps/ipdbproject/IEDIndex3.cfm?tid=5&pid=5&aid=2
      In 2010, we produced 9,648 thousand barrels per day
      http://www.eia.gov/cfapps/ipdbproject/IEDIndex3.cfm?tid=5&pid=53&aid=1

      In 2010 2/3 of total petroleum consumption was for transportation (cars, trucks, airplanes) Almost 2/3 of transportation consumption was gasoline. Our electricity production also depends on oil.

      Keep in mind, that by Obama stopping our offshore drilling, he greatly reduced the amount of production we are capable of doing…and put a bunch of people out of work! He also made us even MORE dependent on Arab countries who love to gouge prices and made them even wealthier!

      I’m all for the development of wind and solar energy but, as the plain speaking Harry S Truman would likely have put it..”you don’t tear the old house down, until you have the new house finished enough, that you can live in it!”

  • s c

    Once a multitude of mirrors have been tossed aside, (and the smoke clears) it’s obvious that “soul-searching” [aka political ass-kissing] has much to do with “choices” in Washington. The Anointed Puppet’s jockstrappers will now join in a chorus of praise and support, BUT the economy will take yet another hit as JOBS are flushed down a toilet.
    Isn’t it NEAT how the W H “Savior’ chose programmed tree-huggers over loyal union members? It may insure Gore’s all-consuming NEED for easy riches (at America’s expense), but it does nothing for dues-paying union members who get to the live with the idea that THEIR GLORIOUS LEADER not only stabbed them in the back – he gutted them and threw them to the wolves. Anything in the name of “sacrifice”, eh?
    It’s a good thing that The Anointed Defective LOVES them so much. What would they do if he DIDN’T love them? What a ‘leader.’ And, America’s great pal, China, gets even MORE oil. WHAT do we need with all that smelly oil?
    OK, progressives, ultraleft, braindead sheep and other assorted mental defectives, get in line and sing your song. Tell us how this “decision” will make life better in America. Tell us HOW putting UNION MEMBERS out of work is the GENIUS of America’s latest W H Savior. Tell us all about it. Then PROVE IT.

    • den

      They don’t need to prove it!
      Feeling it is more than enough for their small way of thinking.

    • ernest

      the unions never learn, Clinton sold them down the river with the first free-trade deal and they still voted for him the second time?
      like a bunch of lemmings.

      • JUKEBOX

        Between the Keystone Pipeline and the new Boeing plant, Nerobama has managed to dump nearly 25,000 new jobs. If that is “JOB CREATION”, I am a Russian Neurosurgeon.

        • texastwin827

          Love you way with words!

        • Jody McCalib

          So WHY can’t we the good old US OF A/ oil companies just build some NEW oil refinerys north of Neb, so the pipe line doesn’t have to go through Neb and the lake. Houston has the refinerys for the gulf just leave it that way. Build new and save $ in refining costs

          • texastwin827

            Once again, you can thank the “environmentalists” for the fact that we have had no new refineries built. There have been NO new refineries built since 1976.

            Some of the older ones are closed and those that still refine oil, do so at about 95% capacity. Those that still function are also owned by a “few” people, in the industry. Refineries cost billions to build and about 3 yrs to build them. Keep in mind, supply & demand also keeps the few, that own them, VERY wealthy, especially since domestic oil is also exported…mostly to Canada & Mexico, because they don’t require as much in transporting costs (i.e. pipelines or trucking)

          • texastwin827

            Jody, to give you an idea of how far the environmentalists will go, three organizations have already filed SUIT, in federal court, even though the Keystone project hasn’t even been approved! Want to take a guess at how many YEARS, they will delay the project, if it is approved?

            The groups that filed the suit are The Center for Biological Diversity (i.e. Wildlife protection), the Western Nebraska Resources Council and Friends of the Earth (self-appointed guardians of the planet). If any of them have justification, it would only be the Western Nebraska Resources Council, given the pipeline is to run through their state, HOWEVER, this is not the first project they have objected to. While they use their water supply as the basis, they are also another wildlife group, as well.

            The basis of this suit…the US “illegally” allowed TransCanada to start clearing the corridor for the pipeline, even though it wasn’t approved. Their “sin”…they mowed down delicate native grasses and relocated an endangered species living there, the American burying beetle”.

            These folks aren’t very concerned about the thousands of unemployed Americans (because they receive paychecks) but, for God sake, we can’t have those beetles relocated! TransCanada mowed “some” grass in order to relocated the beetles…AND THEY HAD THE LANDOWNER’S PERMISSION TO DO SO!

          • meteorlady

            The above is correct – we have no new refineries in years. They are the biggest write-off that oil companies have because they are so inefficient and old. We need new one, but the environmentalist have so far gotten every new request shut down.

      • eddie47d

        The Republicans duped the unions with Newt Gingrich’s promise that no American jobs would be lost and that guy wants to be President.Can the USA afford anther hit like that?

        • Dennis48e

          I only recall maybe one poster who supports gingrinch everyone else sees thru him.

  • Eric Bischoff

    I don’t think it’s too much to ask to make it go around and stay away from the most important water aquifer in this country. Unless of course you don’t think protecting our precious drinking water for future generations is as important as having quicker access to tar sands oil, the most environmentally devastating and dirty carbon fuel source.

    Personally I vote for not using that oil at all and stopping this madness. We should be ashamed of ourselves for doing this and mountain top removal to our precious mother earth.

    I hope the price of all carbon fuel goes up to it’s proper price instead of it’s fictitious and subsidized price while the rest of us are left to pay for the damage, environmental messes, security and health care costs related to this dirty and deadly technology. All that so that investor can make more money.

    Enough already

    • Sirian

      If you may hope that the price of all carbon fuel goes up to it’s proper price (obviously you don’t understand the markets at all) would it not be of any consequence to you to pay ten to fifteen dollars a gallon for gas for you SUV? Would it not be of any consequence to pay 500 -1000 monthly for natural gas to heat your home or apartment? Without question you wouldn’t mind your water bill shooting up by 500%, if not more. If none of this would bother you in the least, ego especially, then fine. I hope you will enjoy your immature attitude as you beg for another bailout from your keeper, the government, which always knows what’s best for you. It is a true shame you can’t step back and look at things from a rational and realistic stance.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Eric, is a confirmed Communist. I don’t waste my time responding to his posts, and neither should anyone else.

        • den

          I wonder if Eric would like living in North Korea? That’s what I think of when people talk that kind of BS.

        • eddie47d

          Since a major portion of food production (grains) depends on the Ogallala Aquifer Eric is right in saying that is a concern.Nothing communistic about that.

          • Dale on the left coast

            Are there not numerous pipelines crossing the acquifer now? How does one more change anything? Especially since the new one would be State of the Art . . .

          • eddie47d

            Some of the Keystone route poses little danger although in Holt County Nebraska there would/could be the biggest threat. The water level of the Ogallala Aquifer is near the surface within that County.

        • USAF VET

          Eric needs to call 1-800-WAH-WAHH, and then go get a real life.

      • texastwin827

        Sirian, obviously Eric is not as knowledgeable as he thinks he is. He’s likely totally unaware that Electric Power Plants use oil to generate electricity and Water is pumped to water storage tanks & homes by electric pumps which are supplied by the same electricity that was produced by using oil.

        Besides, I’m sure he owns a horse or two…after all, he would be a hypocrite if he used a car as that would require oil for it’s fuel. Hopefully, he lives in a nice warm State, where he doesn’t require heat in his house/apt during the winter. Not sure where that would be as, even here in TX, we need some heat during the winter.

        • USAF VET

          But the machinery that is used to reap the grain, and cut the hay or alfalfa to feed his horses uses fuel made from oil, so he still is stuck with having benifitted from the use of OIL.

    • KJQ

      Um, Eric, do your homework. There are 25,000 MILES of EXISTING pipelines crossing that aquifer region, some decades old. The new pipeline will be state-of-the art with automated leak detection/shutdown alone it’s entire route. Pipelines are THE safest way to transport oil – look it up! For example, more oil is spilled from tanker trucks in motor vehicle accidents each year than from pipelines.

      • den

        In fact if Eric wants to worry he should be concerned with the older pipelines and replacing them with state of the art pipe and pipeline tech.
        I bet if some told Eric multiple products can be shipped via the newer pipelines not just oil and oil products. Water can be shipped, corn oils, wood chips for plywood/other products. Heck they can ship him his hemp for his clothes, handmade handcrafted hemp paper, hemp tea, etc. More pipelines would be better for the country cause it could take the pressure off of the hyways, byways and rail. Once installed and working properly pipelines don’t pollute. Pipelines don’t kill birds (like wind farms are doing) if you think about it a pipeline can ship almost anything if big enough you could ride it in one at faster speeds than highspeed rail- of course I guess we are talking tunnels now – but I think I made my point. Pipelines are the future. Just use your/our imaginations.

        • Vagabond

          Den you are so right. but alex and eric are too damned STUPID to understand this. they’d probaly have a heart attack if they only knew how many pipelines go through lakes and rivers. that governor who opposed the pipeline should be voted out of office right along with obummer and a host of ther dumb assed politicians,

          • texastwin827

            The governor that opposed it was Republican Gov. Dave Heineman of Nebraska. It’s his state’s water supply that he’s concerned about. Of course, the worst environmental offender, Al Gore, is also opposed to it.

        • eddie47d

          It’s nice to know that someone on the right can have foresight and see other possibilities den. I’m not sure how hemp/pipelines got into the conversation but what the heck maybe you see something I don’t. I’m just surprised because the right is always against mass transportation and high speed trains to move people and goods. They are usually stuck in the past and what has always been has to be.Occasionally the left gets stubborn too and entrenches itself. At this point though I can’t visualize a pipeline as big as a semi along the side of Interstate 80 carrying goods from Chicago.

          • meteorlady

            Eddie – I don’t believe the “right” is against mass transportation – I believe most of us are against government subsidizing the costs. If they would make money – most all loose money – they it would be fine. I think it’s a great idea if people could get out of their cars and read the paper as they go to work. Unfortunately, when I worked in Seattle, just riding the bus took 1.3 hours compared to 35 minutes in my car.

      • eddie47d

        KJQ;Considering that 800,000 gallons of oil was spilled from a pipeline into the Kalamazoo River might give pause to your statement.Maybe the 1000 barrels of oil spilled into the Yellowstone River doesn’t make pipelines very safe either.Now that doesn’t compare to an oil tanker breaking open on the high seas yet still is a good amount.

        • Dale on the left coast

          eddie . . . name one method to transport oil that is SAFER than a modern pipeline?
          Just like the Green-loons “alternate” energy . . . they don’t exist!!

          • eddie47d

            You really don’t even deserve an answer with all the name calling Mr temperamental Left Coast.

          • Opal the Gem

            Translation, eddie has no answer.

    • Alex

      Eric Bischoff—it is nice to see your intelligence again grace these mostly ridiculous comments.

      • Brad

        Alex,

        Looks as if you and Eric to include the rest of your troll gang are up to your usual, no facts and provide useless personal opinions.

        • eddie47d

          Like Vagabond’s?

    • DaveH

      You should be ashamed of Yourself, Alex, for helping to push Socialistic policies that have led to the economic failures of countries around the world. You don’t want oil? Then don’t buy it. But, Butt out of our decisions, you thieving, controlling Progressive.

      • DaveH

        Sorry, I meant Eric, but then Alex does also fit the bill.

    • Vagabond

      yes eric. enough of you’r STUPID crap. there are oil and other pipe lines running through rivers and lakes without polluting them. or did you think all of those pipe lines running all over the country just stop at the waters edge? or maybe you think they circle around the lakes and rivers? wake up STUPID!!!

      • ernest

        you people are trying to cure stupid ( can’t be done )

    • Vic VEnom

      Well then Eric, I hope you drive a new car. I hope you at least drive a car with new engine seals. Also, I hope you don’t change your own oil in anything you own. Also, I hope you don’t pump your own gasoline.

      Why, you may ask? Because those above mentioned items lead to more oil and petroleum leaks than pipeline leaks every year. Granted, it is a little bit at a time, but it all adds up.

      Pipelines aren’t evil creatures waiting to burst open and destroy the environment. However, if you are that paranoid, you’d better not leave your house again, because all the cars may be death machines just waiting to mow people down.

      • eddie47d

        It’s not the oil the left is against using it’s our continual and absolute dependency on this product. The right won’t give up it’s addiction and will destroy everything in it’s path to get to this product. The same with coal yet the right will spend much time attacking solar and wind power although those products don’t destroy near as much of the environment or our health. The left has to realize the need for oil and coal and the right has to understand the need to move forward and start adapting to alternatives. None of these sources will vanish from usage yet changes do need to take place.

        • JeffH

          …still stuck in that left/right paradigm I see…one step forward and two steps back…

          • eddie47d

            I included both so maybe you are the one who is stuck!

          • JeffH

            eddie…and how does that change what I said? Like I said, still stuck in the left/right paradigm…

          • eddie47d

            Changes everything Jeff so take a hike with your back biting.

          • JeffH

            …only in YOUR mind eddie, only in your mind…

        • Dale on the left coast

          eddie . . . you comment is just plain dumb!!!
          The US is cleaner today than at any time in the last 100 years . . . FACT!!!
          There is no economical alternative to so-called fossil fuels, your Enviro-whack nonsense is just silly.
          Oil is a Naturally Occuring Substance, it bubbles out of the earth in spots, it bubbles out of the sea bed and microbes ingest it.
          There is even a group of scientists that believe oil is Abiotic and Created in the Core of the Earth . . . so it may be with us FOREVER!!
          Get a GRIP eddie . . . our standard of living, our prosperity depends on energy. Some day alternatives will take the place of coal, gas and oil . . . but there is nothing that will do this Next Week, Next Month or even Next Year. Stop parroting all the Grennie Nonsense . . . look at what the Greens have done to Europe!!

          • eddie47d

            Yup, in 4 years Sweden will be 80% energy efficient with little oil usage.

        • Aniko

          eddie47, can you compare bad vs. worse?

          If hydrocarbons are your enemy, yet nothing “alternative” fills the need, is it better or worse to use what is available from friendly nations or refuse to use it and implode the economy of the whole nation?

          I do believe you fell for the propagandists who’d rather have a whole present civilization destroyed because of fear from supposed bad consequences somewhere in the far flung future, when all the consequences of “hurting mother Earth” will be resolved via human intelligence and new technology.

          The left has become the skeptic of progress by forcing illusionary “progress” today. I can bet you that your “enemies” in big oil are working for future alternative energy sources as we speak. When it will be ready AND cost effective it will come to pass. To try to force it today, via governmental bureaucratic academician theorists is suicide!

          BTW, I’d check that “mother Earth” fetish of yours; it makes you sound ridiculous and follower of a new god whom you feel compelled to worship! “Mother Earth” is not a little old lady that needs your intelligence and help to take care of “herself”! “Mother Earth” ALWAYS took care of “herself” and always WILL! Just watch what “she” did to the dinosaurs! A little LESS self-importance as a human might take you a long way towards rationale!

          • eddie47d

            I almost never use the term “mother earth” but glad you brought that up. Last time I looked it’s the only one we have and God would be very unhappy if we over abuse it. I think he’d like us to leave something for a future generation or two.

        • meteorlady

          Eddie – in Texas we buy power on the open market. It ranges from 6.7 cents per Avg. Price/kWh (1,000 kWh) all the way to 14.1 cents. 6.7 cents is of course natural gas. Next cheapest is Nuclear, then wind then solar. when you get int he 14.1 cent range you are talking all renewable.

          They also list their sources of power. Natural Gas is of course cheapest, while nuclear, wind and solar are the most expensive. In fact all companies, in order to complete only do a percentage of their power in alternatives like wind and solar because of the much higher costs.

          So how many consumers, in this economy, will sign up for the most expensive?

    • JUKEBOX

      ERIC, you must be as wealthy as Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, and all of Obama’s other billionaire buddies, who could care less if gas goes to $25 a gallon.

      • meteorlady

        Eric hasn’t figured out the correlation between rising fuel costs and the economic impact on our lives. Eric, I’m sure, must live in a tent without any light or heat and rides a bicycle to work (if he does) every day.

    • JeffH

      Eric the Red, an estimated 20,000 “shovel ready” jobs just went down the tank in lieu of Obama’s political posturing. The bigger picture is 500,000+ jobs down the road…and what’s really pathetic is that some of you still believe that Obama’s trying to put Americans back to work. Instead, American’s will end up the big fat losers again…who needs to work, the guv’ment will take care of us…they’ve regulated and taxed industries to China, why not let China have the N American oil too…afterall, America needs to keep focused on green energy, the hottest of which is the wind power generated out of DC.

      I don’t believe for one minute that TransCanada wouldn’t exceed all pipeline safety standards to insure a safe and viable delivery system to protect man and the environment. With all of the environmental and safety concerns they would have to be pretty stupid not to.

      Pipelines are the safest, most reliable and efficient method of transporting crude oil. Each year, hundreds of millions of gallons are transported thousands of miles quietly from production fields to refineries and on to airports, factories and distribution centers in communities throughout the continent.

      TransCanada owns and operates 36,500 miles of pipeline in the United States, Mexico and in Canada. In Montana, TransCanada owns and operates the Northern Border Pipeline System, what has been safely delivering natural gas into the region for more than 25 years.
      http://billingsgazette.com/news/opinion/guest/article_3b2afc1c-6a9b-11de-989b-001cc4c03286.html

      • JeffH

        FYI, if this was a proposed pipeline by one of the Obama cronies, like Solyndra or GE, you could bet a dollar to a doughnut that Obama would be hailing it a the safest most viable solution to our countries enrgy needs. The Obama Energy Department and its infamous “green energy” loan guarantee and grant programs is “the greatest–and most expensive–example of crony capitalism in American history.”

        According to Peter Schweitzer, thru his research, at least 10 members of President Obama’s campaign finance committee and more than a dozen of his campaign bundlers were big winners in getting tax dollars from these programs. One chart in the book details how the 10 finance committee members collectively raised $457,834, and were in turn approved for grants or loans of nearly $11.4 billion–quite a return on their investment.

        In the loan-guarantee program alone, Schweizer writes, “$16.4 billion of the $20.5 billion in loans granted went to companies either run by or primarily owned by Obama financial backers–individuals who were bundlers, members of Obama’s National Finance Committee, or large donors to the Democratic Party.” That is a staggering 71 percent of the loan money.
        http://www.aei.org/article/politics-and-public-opinion/legislative/crony-capitalism-exposed/

        • eddie47d

          Exaggerated facts again Jeff? Although you brought up important issues you left out the very expensive crony capitalism with the oil companies. The billions spent cleaning up their messes over the years puts them in the “greatest and most expensive” category. That doesn’t even include special favors from the Republican party over the years in setting up lax laws in drilling and tax breaks. So who is the one playing this left/right,Republican/Democrat game? Now I won’t accuse you again if you look in the mirror and realize your favoritism.

          • JeffH

            eddie, rather than say something as meritless as “exaggerating facts”, just maybe you could enlighten me as to what was exaggerated.
            As for your right/left…republican/democrat comment…maybe you could show me where I even mentioned it in my comment. Of course you and I know you can’t! Still stuck in that little right/left bubble!

          • eddie47d

            Must be your constant babble about Obama this or Obama that that gave you away.

          • JeffH

            …an expected response…

          • eddie47d

            In answer to your expected response.

          • JeffH

            Again eddie, what was exaggerated? Point it out!

      • erroldean andrews

        I’m with you Jeffh 100%. I thought Obama was a idiot but he is worse then I thought. I think they should rein-in epa and trust in Canada to do right by the pipe-line. This is just one more thing he is doing to destroy us. by signing that deal he would be opening up enough new jobs to give us a big boost in our economy. He should sign and start drilling our own oil and build another refinery. I would be interested in just how the members of epa live– I’ll bet NOT by their own rules!Obama certaintly doesn’t! He makes it sound like he would be willing to sign with Canada AFTER elections when he knows right well he would never do that!

        • meteorlady

          Let Canada do the right thing? Hmmmmmm…. Libby, MT might disagree with them doing the right thing. Seems their mining companies have been coming into our country to operate. When they are finished they cross the border and we taxpayers are left with their toxic clean-ups an Libby is left with an extra large amount of cancers in their citizens. But there is also the fact that they wanted the jobs….

    • Opal the Gem

      Obviously you know nothing Eric. The company has already proposed moving the pipeline to avoid the aquafier.

  • http://n/a Scrappy2

    I applaud Canada for their swift action/decision. They know Obama is in a political fight and will delay anything that may taint his campaign with the liberals. Canada is calling his bluff and exposing him as the weak apologetic, incapable leader that he is.

    • Sirian

      Scrappy2, you are so right!!

  • skyraider6

    Typical obummer present but absent on issues that matter most. what a shame

  • pdlane

    The author seems to have no regard for the environmental damage casued by oil sand extraction nor any regard for the potential environmental damage by the XL-Pipeline. Meanwhile.. why doesn’t Big Oil un-cap the capped oil wells in Texas and Oklahoma…?????

    • Sirian

      Very simple – typical example – EPA’s multitude of preexisting and new regulations. Now there also is a bit of money involved of course but the majority of the capped wells have for the most part been drained to a point that the profit margin has been reduced to a point of none use. Make sense? Would you rather tap into a much larger deposit of oil if you were the company drilling or simply uncap old wells that pump out, at best, a thousand barrels a month? Do you see the basic common sense perspective to this? I hope so.

      • Vagabond

        Sirian he cant understand any thin that is not sanctioned by obummer and the SCUMBAGS at epa,

      • theotherrhalf

        Not, its cheaper to buy it from the middle east & to save what we have in TX and OK as reserves. Has nothing to do with environmentalists, has to do with energy and futures trading.
        You won’t see oil independence for a long time, especially since we just trashed Iraq to control their oil, of course we saved Kuwait so we could have their oil too.

    • http://libertyalert Frank J.

      we would pdlane but the liberal envirmentaltist have stopped us. Smarten up and learn your facts before spouting your STUPIDITY!.

    • KJQ

      Dear American friends: I’m a Canadian. You’ve got to stop believing the lies being told. Canada has the HIGHEST environmental & safety regulations/standards of all the oil producing countries in the world, including the USA. As a country, our man-made carbon emissions are less that 2% of the world’s, and the tar sands less than 0.001%! The areas of the tar sands already mined have been reclaimed with vegetation and forests replanted. Pipelines are the safest way to transport oil bar none. The XL pipeline will create thousands of Canadian and US jobs without costing the government (i.e. taxpayers) a penny.

      Do you really want to keep buying oil from countries like Venezuela and Saudi Arabia where even basic human rights are not respected, and slaves are used in producing oil to fund communists and Islamic terrorism? Wouldn’t you rather buy oil from a stable, like-minded ethical producer of oil who’s been an ally for centuries?

      I’m starting to believe the stories I read about your self-destructive political correctness!

      • johnk

        Of course you realize the the greenies will sabotage that pipeline so they can stop and point the finger…. like in anything they do. Then blame you all who want to grow economies.

      • Vagabond

        KJQ no we dont all subscribe to the IDIOCY of obummer and his minions. and you are 150% correct about pipelines being the safest method of transportation. our biggest problem here in the States is a lack of honest politicians wit BALLS enough to dissmantle the epa and tell obummer we did not elect him to destroy the country. him and so many other IDIOTS seem to think all pipelines either stop at the waters edge or go around the bodies of water. imagine trying to go around the Mississippi river?? yet apparently there are those among us who are so STUPID as to think that. the sad thing is those IDIOTS VOTE too. thats the reason we are stuck with the IDIOT in cheif in washington,

      • kemp

        KJQ
        I would like to thank our friends to the north for first choice on your oil.
        What has not been realized by the stupid politians is that your oil will be processed and used by some contry in this world causeing the same problems(if any) no matter who uses it.
        At least we would be buying our oil from someone who wont repay us with bullits.Canada has been a good neighbor to the US but I can’t say that for our present suppliers who stab us in the back every chance they get.
        Most of our politions were born with a defect — born with thier nob the wrong end of thier spine.
        Have a happy holiday.

        • erroldean andrews

          I would trust Canada more than any other country! We have always been good neighbors and not been cut-throats to each other. We have a self -centered “leader” and I use that term loosly!” Canada is holding out a welcoming hand that is being returned like a slap in the face!Thank you Kemp for your intelligent and friendly message.

    • CP

      Why open something up that won’t even pay for the equipment needed to pump out the barrel or two a day it will supply? Most of those capped wells were capped because they were no longer paying for themselves, and, while the price of oil has gone up, so has the price of the equipment needed to move it from the ground to the refinery. Now all of this isn’t counting the added cost of all the new regulations in place, or the taxes on each producing well head.

    • JUKEBOX

      They won’t do it as long as our government has the separation tax in place, which causes the well owners to net one or two cents a gallon, while the government gets ten to fifteen cents a gallon.

  • http://personalliberyt.com 1911man

    So we don’t want to use canadas oil’ ok, we can’t drill here,ok,we cant use nuclear, ok no coal,ok natural gas is ok but don’t build pipelines to carry it to be used, ok, then you people tell what in the he## we are going to do? wind and solar? the technoligy isn’t there to make nation wide use of such replacements ,wind, the same goes for it,and enviro-terrorists dont want anything to ugly up our land like windgenerators solar collectors tide generators etc so how con you use them anyway? until a reasonable alternate source is found fossil fuels are viable, and I would rather be using ours and freindly countries as compaired to funding other countries who hate and want to destroy us.I want clean air and water I dont want the environment destroyed but there must be reasonable actions to keep our country running, I also want affordable energy.

    • Sirian

      1911man,
      I’m in full agreement. BTW, isn’t it kinda funny that T. Boone Pickens gave wind generators a try and spent close to a billion on it and it didn’t pan out. Humm, wonder why he didn’t have thousands upon thousands of environmentalists contributing their massive fortunes to this effort? Need I answer that question? HA, a capitalist really gave it an enormous shot with his own funds and lost the majority of it while the tree huggers always fail to do the same. They like to whine but can do nothing more than that. Lord, they haven’t the slightest idea as to what oil provides. It is beyond their comprehension. Domestic terrorists? Yes, they would fit into that category much more so than who they claim are. I like my 1911 too . . . :)

      • meteorlady

        T. Boone is pushing natural gas most of all. He has a plan that if we convert our vehicles to natural gas we could do so for 10 years and by then we could develop out of other power sources. Unfortunately for Boone – wind doesn’t have enough transmission lines to get to where it’s needed. It’s also and on again, off again source.

    • JUKEBOX

      America can’t afford another 200 more Solyndra half billion debauchles.

      • eddie47d

        Solyndra was a good deal gone bad because of China.They had a good product and was under cut by the competition. The loss was minimal in comparison to the losses in the Gulf Coast over the years.(Yes the taxpayer paid dearly at the pump). The loss in the Horizon spill is notorious by now and not just in dollars but in environmental damages. In 2004 BP’s Nautilus broke from it’s mooring and drifted 80 miles and cost that oil company dearly. In 2005 BP lost $250 million with a rig collapsing and became useless before any oil was pumped. How do you think they made up for that loss (at the pump). So deals do fall through and someone has to pay for it.Yet drilling went on in the Gulf which lead to the Horizon blow out. That cost the taxpayer a bundle yet you wanted more drilling not less.Considering it costs up to $800,000 a day to operate one deep sea rig and that one in four rigs don’t produce oil make us suspect in why you want to bear all those costs (at the pump) So this attack against Solyndra is a cheap shot for political purposes and does nothing to enhance our energy needs. Especially considering the expense of the Horizon spill. That in itself makes Americans very suspicious of any oil deals anywhere by any oil company and their false promises of protecting the environment.

        • Dale on the left coast

          eddie . . . what Modern Industrial City would Solyndra have powered???
          You keep talking nonsense . . . the BP rig in the Gulf was probably SABOTAGED . . .
          Ever been to the ME eddie, or Nigeria . . . see how clean their enviroments are . . . the US is one of the cleanest enviro-friendly countries on the planet.

        • meteorlady

          OMG Eddie – even George W. Bush said it was a bad investment and refused to fund it….. that should tell something….

    • Thom

      The answer to all this is simple… Know Nukes!
      If Japan had paid attention to our TMI fixes we would be reading about the Fukushima restart today. Yes, use ALL energy sources today. There are no technological reasons not to use coil oil nuke gas solar wind, all of it. Lets power up and get back to work!

  • Bernie

    first pdlane, the epa/envirocommies are stopping the “uncapping” of the Texas oil wells through permit delays and their usual crap demands. Second, oil and water do not actually mix and infact frequently share the same geological space. Further the pipe line is above ground and will be secure. If China ‘buys” the Canadian oil, they will simply turn it around and sell it back to the US at a higher price……Obama is a a know nothing do nothing pres and the soon er he is out of office the better!!!

    • Sirian

      Here Here!! If only the tree huggers had an ounce of common sense.

      • eddie47d

        Someone last week said the pipeline would be almost totally underground so which is it Bernie? Where is your “common sense” in saying China will sell the oil back to us. That would be ridiculous considering that they are scouring the world for their own sources. If they find it they will keep it.

    • Alex

      January, 2017 at the earliest. This is because the American populace is tired of the GOP hurting American families in the vain attempt to have it fall in President Obama’s lap.

      • Brad

        Alex,

        What the American people are screaming for are jobs and this president and his admninistration is doing to us and our country is treasonous. Since his anougeration his administration has worked to destroy the US dollar, crude prices have almost doubled, unemployment went to 10% under his watch, HCR is leaving more families without health insurance. Get off your soap box and think logicly before you post the lefts propoganda talking points.

        • eddie47d

          The cost of HC went up long before Obama became President and more don’t have insurance because of those costs from private companies. Those same private companies who dropped customers by the millions for pre existing conditions and other factors. Businesses also dropped health care plans because these private health care companies charged too much for them. Some of you stoop very low and are not honest with the facts.

          • Dale on the left coast

            eddie . . . the price of oil went up about the time of the BP spill in the Gulf . . . the spill that took almost 3 months for the Pres to acknowledge. Of course the closing down of the gulf drilling had nothing to do with $100 oil right eddie. Many rigs left the Gulf, some went to Brazil to work for Petrobras. Who owns a big chunk of Petrobras eddie? Why Soreass does, who gave tax dollars to Petrobras eddie . . . why O’bammy did. Guess he was just lookin after your interests eh eddie??
            O’bammy is destroying this country . . . when does the light go on eddie???

          • Brad

            Poor Eddie,

            Health care costs shot up more since Ohmamas election then in any other year since, evan faster after HCR was signed into law. What you don’t realize company’s are dropping whole groups due to overbloated costs that they can no longer afford, thanks to some unions and upcoming costs associated with HCR. Basically what Ohmama wants is the “public option”, company’s are willing to pay the said fine/tax of 2 grand per year for not providing employer medical coverage, so who picks up those not covered. The gov steps in and creates those darn insurance exchanges and charges each family $750.00 annualy for medical coverage compared to $3,500.00 to $4,000.00 those company’s would have paid, they just made between $1,500 to $2,000 just by dropping their medical coverage. Now those darn insurance exchanges arn’t run by the insurance industry but the US gov starts their own exchanges, basically cutting out the medical insurance agency’s and in turn allowing them to fail. All out lined in HCR… What did Ohmama tell the nation, if you like your current health care coverage you can keep it, well for some its gotten too expensive to pay for it, you thank HCR for that.

          • JeffH

            One of the major impacts of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is that individuals and families will see higher health insurance premiums. Obamacare imposes several costly new mandates and restrictions on health insurers and providers that will raise health cares costs and therefore premiums. This paper lists a dozen factors that will contribute to higher premium costs.
            1. Mandated Benefits

            Obamacare mandates that insurance companies cover a minimum package of benefits. The more comprehensive and generous the insurance, however, the more expensive it will be. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that the benefit mandates in Obamacare—in combination with the limited cost-sharing—will increase premiums 27–30 percent in the individual market

            http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2010/09/Obamacare-Increases-Health-Insurance-Premiums

          • JeffH

            Side Effects: Obamacare Fueling Higher Insurance Costs

            The Indianapolis Star reports that companies can expect employee health insurance costs to rise even faster. “Driven by worries about the economy and possibly the effects of health-care reform, [health insurers] are raising rates this year for family coverage through employer-sponsored plans… from 8 percent to 21 percent, which is considerably higher than the 5 percent increase the Kaiser Family Foundation reported in 2009.”

            During his final push to win passage of the health bill, President Obama told a crowd in Strongsville, Ohio, that premiums would “fall by as much as 3,000 percent” under his plan. The evidence rolling in shows that the President not only misspoke, he got the entire direction of premium costs under Obamacare exactly wrong.
            http://blog.heritage.org/2010/04/05/side-effects-obamacare-fueling-higher-insurance-costs/

          • eddie47d

            Poor Brad; HC under the Affordable Plan hasn’t kicked in yet in over all costs and you are still blaming a program that isn’t fully in effect. I’ll stand by what I said and look at you as the complainer who’s not wearing many clothes. Don’t worry there are a few like you that spread falsehoods.

          • JeffH

            Brad, it just can’t be fixed…it’s forevah!
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gtf5pIPTA0

          • meteorlady

            Eddie – I own a small business. My employee sponsored insurance premiums have gone up 17% since Obamacare was passed. Reason the insurance company is giving me? “The added mandated coverage in the new health care law”.

            While visiting my doctor the other day, she was tearing her hair out over the new automated GOVERNMENT MANDATED system, which cost just her office $15,000.00. She informed me that my medical records will now be on the internet for any hacker to see. I’m really happy that the federal government has decided that my records are that unimportant to me that I would have anyone and everyone get access to them.

            What is between my doctor and me is mine information. I DON’T WANT IT ON THE INTERNET.

        • eddie47d

          I see Dale is riding that old horse again about Soros and that loan. Wrong; That BS didn’t cut it last year and it’s still not working.

          • meteorlady

            So what you are telling me is that you don’t believe it or you know it’s not so? Which is it? I believe that if you go to snopes even they say it’s true. We guaranteed a loan to them and that’s a fact.

      • Sirian

        Alex,
        When was the last time you opened your eyes? From your train of thought and focused blabbering it appears you are to weak to step back and look at the big picture. Perhaps you will someday but until then I truly feel you are without an ability to look at all sides of the box before making a decision and statement.

      • Vagabond

        alex you just keep on showing your STUPIDITY,

        • JUKEBOX

          Alex is probably one of those OCCUPY WALL STREET demonstraters, who should be protesting the White House and Congress, who are the real “INSIDE TRADERS”, and making more illegal money than any of American bankers or stock brokers. How’s that giant BONG you and your buddies are toking on ALEX?

      • JeffH

        Alex, please explain to me why there are at least 22 bipartisan House-passed jobs bills that would remove government barriers to job growth (by stopping unnecessary regulations, preventing tax hikes on small businesses, and more) but remain stalled in the Democrat-controlled Senate. Instead of more of the same failed ‘stimulus’ spending, these bills – all part of the Republican Plan for America’s Job Creators – free job creators from government obstacles that prevent them from hiring new workers.

      • meteorlady

        I’m sorry Alex – but I’m really starting to get sick to death of liberals and their half-assed arguments. Most all politicians are corrupt. They are bought by special interests and campaign contributions.

        With that said here’s a little excerpt from Senator Thune, REPUBLICAN South Dakota:

        “Senator Thune recently sent a letter to U.S. Department of Interior (DOI) Secretary Ken Salazar and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) Director Daniel Ashe, concerning the Great Plains Wind Energy Habitat Conservation Plan, which will support the development of wind energy while protecting endangered wildlife. Earlier this year, the DOI announced plans to create a more efficient process for commercial wind energy development. The proposed Wind Energy Corridor project would create a 200 mile wide corridor from the Canadian border to Texas, crossing nine states, including South Dakota, and would allow for more commercial wind projects to begin construction, which are often held up or even prevented from being built due to numerous regulatory burdens.”

        Regulations, permits and more regulations….. environmentalist would have us live in the dark and eat raw food. Sorry, when they start I will, until then get off the soap box.

  • s c

    Attention all schizophrenic utopians. IF you REALLY give a damn, then be adults about it and DEMAND that you pay $10 a gallon for gas. The rest of us will be content to pay $3 (or less). That way, you SOBs can feel proud, and the rest of us can live with both feet on the ground. Keep munching on that Prozac, you schizophrenic rejects.

    • Sirian

      Oh my goodness s c, calm down, you don’t want to take their trophies away from them do you? LOL!!!

    • Vagabond

      AMEN AMEN s c,

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Sad sad story. Just another nail in our coffin.

  • Jim

    oil refinery in Canada, would it be cheaper. That way all jobs would be theirs along with the oil

  • PATRIOT 101

    Rejecting Canadian oil, rejecting American jobs, what did anyone expect?
    This president, the progressives in congress and entire administration is attacking America.
    Obama’s policies are TREASONOUS and should be treated as such. This has become an all-out economic attack now and will collapse the economy before the next election. This administration will disadvantage even disparage business, our military and our American pride at every opportunity . Charging this man with Treason is not out of the question. Getting rid of him will (probably) take more than an election.

  • dan

    I hope the environmental whackoes are happy when they’re shivering in the dark…oh,wait… they are out east because their grid went down
    except the wise who prepared with generators and fuel.Most furnaces don’t work without electricity and most food ‘modern’storage and
    preparation is greatly enhanced with refrigeration (people STILL die from food poisoning) Just wait until the trucks quit rolling and food and fuel distribution ceases….the veneer of civilization is thinner than you think.

  • fedup

    People like Eric and Alex are basic free-loaders. I have met them off and on my whole life. They borrow everything they can from their neighbors,(rarely returning it)They own all this so-called energy-efficient stuff that either doesn’t work or makes them less efficient. They don’t own a vehicle that is worth a pinch of crap, so anytime they run into yard work, house remodel, landscaping problems, ect, ect, they ask you to do it for them, at your expense, of course. Then they gab about how their yadda yadda rice grinder has yadda yadda footprint and that I should really think about my footprint,yadda, yadda. Then, 3 days later, they can’t get out of their drive way and they need someone to come and either pull them out of their driveway or give them a ride to work. I have learned that the best way to handle these people is to laugh openly in their faces, poke them gently in the chest and kindly tell them to “Piss Off!” We have a couple in our community that are just like Eric and Steve. The winters here in Montana make these people either gain common sense or eventually move. Stupid doesn’t last in tough country. They take as much as the community will give without thanks or appreciation. But when the community runs out of free handouts and neighbor-helping-neighbor hospitality, that’s when you find either a moving truck in said liberals/commies’ driveway or you read in the small town scandal sheet that they froze to death in their “green” car. Either way it is “Good riddance to bad baggage”.

    • meteorlady

      That was so entertaining…. I read comments other places and I love the liberal view of us southerners. We are redneck, bible thumping wackos that carry guns, hunt alligators for a living and live in a trailer. Oh, did I mention that they are far superior because they live in a large city and have attended high school and perhaps Jr college while we don’t have Universities here in the south?

      Truth is, if we came to economic collapse I would much rather be with the Bible Thumping Rednecks – they know how to hunt, find water, build shelters, defend themselves, and generally take care of each other. The liberal sissies in the cities will sit on the curt waiting for the federal government to come and rescue them until they figure nothing is going to happen and then they will start preying on the rest of us.

  • fedup

    The only problem with them moving is they go and free-load off of other decent people, where as when they freeze to death in their own car,we know they can’t do any more free loading of others’ kindnesses.

  • ArkansasRebel

    Environmentalists have run this country, along with Unions, into economic disaster. They control political decisions & the laws our Congress passes. If it does not meet their definition of “environmentally friendly” forget it.
    In regards to oil, one of the ways they keep the public in fear is that they continue to perpetuate the lie that oil is “fossil fuel”. Sure this is what so called science has taught us both in our schools & publicly, but it has been proven false. Just go to any geologist & ask, or better yet go to any school on geology & you will learn that science now says that it is not created by decaying fossils (think about it, just how many dinosaurs would have had to die to create this much oil?). No, it is created by the continual action of the core of the earth, constantly regenerating oil. Maybe it could still be referred to as fossil fuel because the earth itself is the “fossil” but let’s stop playing into the lies of the environmentalists. We can’t deny that we need to conserve but let’s be honest about it.

    • eddie47d

      That was a little arrogant of you since scientists over 100 years named oil a fossil fuel yet you tag it onto environmentalists. Nice try at smearing. Oil is Abiotic or hydrocarbon so how about you being more honest. It’s like the American Bison being called a buffalo. Names stick so get over yourself.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Once again eddie I call B*llsh*t . . . coal and oil built the USA . . . the once most powerful, wealthy country on the planet. Enviro-loons . . . like you would like to see everyone living like Little House on the Prairie. You spout “NONSENSE” most of the time . . . the USA is cleaner today than at any time in the last 100 years . . . many reputable climate scientists say CO2 is an Odorless, colorless, benign, rare gas that enables plants to grow. Get a grip eddie . . . you are as clueless are our fearless leader.

        • eddie47d

          You obviously don’t understand plant life or ocean life or else you would realize that too much CO2 can have harmful effects on both.

      • Brad

        Eddie, ArkansasRebel is right in his assesment, you need to read this http://www.brookesnews.com/101907oil.html it just might open your eye’s. Today too many enviro’s are claiming we are running out of usable oil reserves and we need to develop those so called renewable energy sources. As time marches on science has been discovering they have been wrong with theories of 100 years ago and today we have old oil wells long thought empty are now producing oil again. Eddie just for your education abiotic means characterized by the absence of life or living organisms and a hydrocarbon does not support life either. Eddie you are starting to show your ignorance of the subject at hand, please do your own research before commenting.

        • eddie47d

          Every planet is mostly made up of rock but that doesn’t mean you’d want to live there and try to survive off of those resources.The earth is lucky but it doesn’t mean that coal or oil has to be the product that is best for us. We need the sun far more than anything except water but we keep refusing to harness that resource. I do see alot of extra name calling today and you are no exception.

      • meteorlady

        Actually Eddie the real name for them is Bison Bison.

  • richard

    As a Canadian I think that I can see the situation without bias. The U.S. needs oil and Canada has it. What is the problem?
    The problem is that the U.S.A. has a sinister President that is bent on destroying America. Every single policy this President has been behind damages the U.S. a little more. Heaven help the U.S. should this man get re-elected.

  • 45caliber

    I still say that Oblama has made an agreement with China to turn all the oil over to them in exchange for them to keep lending money to our government and not foreclose on what is already borrowed. That was Hillary’s first trip as SoS. That is why we can’t drill and why he wants to pull out of all off-shore drilling – it belongs to China now.

    • eddie47d

      Caliber really drank the kool aid on that one. I don’t think anything you said was true but just in case how do YOU think we should pay off our debt to China? It’s easy to come up with false accusations but how about some real meat with those potatoes you’re spreading around. Drilling is resuming in the Gulf (hopefully with caution) and yes we are drilling all over the USA. We have 45,000 oil and gas wells right here on the eastern plains of Colorado. Many of them started after Obama became President.

      • 45caliber

        Who said we are paying it off? This is to keep the money flowing in – not to pay it off. I would LOVE to see the government paying this off but as long as they continue to spend, spend, spend they will never be able to pay it off.

        • eddie47d

          Your the one who said that Obama will be shipping Canada’s oil (by way of US) to appease China with our debt.

      • http://personalliberyt.com 1911man

        I DON’T think becomming a commie slave IS the way to pay our debts, I don’t know how you feel about it.

  • http://personallibertydigest Lyle McDaniell

    45 that makes more sense that you mention it that way. What did Hillery ever do that was’t just as commie as the Goon.

    • JUKEBOX

      Both of them have had their graft payoff sent to their offshore accounts.

  • ArkansasRebel

    Going back to the Carter administration when we were told that we were in danger of exhausting our oil reserves (yes we were being lied to then as well) Carter allowed Kissinger to go to Saudi Arabia & other oil producing Arab countries where he made a deal with those members of OPEC who would agree to buy our oil from them. In exchange OPEC would buy American Treasury bills & they in turn would be allowed to price their oil at whatever price they wished. This, as long as they priced their oil in U.S. dollars.

    They now hold so much of our debt that we have found it impossible to extract ourselves from this agreement. Now you know why, although oil exploration is allowed here, we are hampered from opening new oil fields.

    • eddie47d

      Carter also pushed for alternative use of resources back then too. Did Americans listen? Heck no because the oil companies had a gripe on us that couldn’t be broken. The Tar Sands weren’t even known about in 1976 so we also had to depend of foreign sources.

      • Dale on the left coast

        What are these “alternatives” eddie??? Do you actually believe that wind and solar would power the USA? They work at the cabin but will NEVER replace oil and gas.
        Do you believe that no one on the planet is looking for alternatives? Next you will be telling me about the 200 mpg carburetors that were mysteriously bought up.
        eddie you live in a parallel universe . . . wake up!!!

        • eddie47d

          I have never NEVER said that wind or solar would replace oil or gas. Never! Stop using right wing talking points to enhance your dubious comments. Several times I have said the opposite.

      • http://personalliberyt.com 1911man

        alyernate energy sources like wind and solar were even more useless back in the 70′s

  • Violet

    Yet one more step in obama’s promise to fundamentally change America. We are rapidly becoming a third world nation. Elect him again and your life will turn to garbage while he and his family continue to live like royalty.

    • eddie47d

      Bad government policies have done damage to our economy but for several decades. You’re not going to get away with dumping this whole problem on Obama and ignore the other factors. Crony Capitalism was a big factor in this attempt to turn America into a “third world country”. Insider Trading on Wall Street and in Washington has rewarded a few and took down the standard of living for the Middle Class. Corporate tomfoolery did it’s share of damages in years past. The Middle East Wars haven’t exactly done our economy any favors either and most of the Republican candidates favor more wars not less.Ron Paul is a striking exception and although Obama is trying to get us out of the big ones he seems to be starting up others. Those real and imagined dangers will continue to drain us economically and for a long time to come. We have strained trading partners because of Ronald Reagan’s wars in Central America,Bush’s and Obama’s in the Middle East and on and on so these problems have been on the drawing board for a mighty long time.

      • JeffH

        Isn’t the current POTUS running the machine right now? I don’t see how you came up with the assertion that Violet is blaming Obama for everything…but then again, I do understand your inherent need to defend him…

      • eddie47d

        I see your inherent need to attack him when she indeed blamed the whole kit and caboodle on him. Left/Right Left/Right I wouldn’t expect anything less from you Jeff.

        • JeffH

          “Yet one more step in obama’s promise to fundamentally change America.”

          Again, how is that putting the whole kit and caboodle on Obama’s back…did not Obama make the promise to “fundamentally change the United States of America”?
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvJJP9AYgqU

          As for your constant parroting, Polly want a cracker? baaarrraaakkkk!

        • JeffH

          eddie, as often as you stick your foot in your mouth I hope you’ve used bacon grease or bacon salt as a flavor enhancer.
          http://www.jdfoods.net/products/baconsalt.php

        • eddie47d

          No foot in mouth Jeff I’ll leave that to you!

        • JeffH

          eddie, what YOU think it is it isn’t…it is what it is…

      • professor

        Question: Are Americans and the country better off today than they were three years ago?

        Things were never perfect but we were never on the brink of disaster until now. Because of the Marxist agenda being pushed on Americans… since the illegal alien started “bunking” in our White House….this country has nearly been decimated.

        No matter how hard you try or how much liberals try to “spin” the problem, it lies at the foot of the illegal alien “appointed” to govern this country.

      • Brad

        Eddie,

        You need to look at the national debt clock, in less than three years your savior and his administration has spent us 4.2 trillion in the hole. We are just over 15 trillion in debt, when is the spending going to stop, answer that before you complain again. http://www.usdebtclock.org/

        • eddie47d

          Could be those numerous foreign wars and raiding Social Security by both parties that has increased the debt. Insider trading on Wall Street and in Washington leaves less money for debt relief. Giving favored trade status to Mexico through NAFTA caused a hemorrhage of jobs and dollars which increased the debt. Corporations taking their loot overseas instead of investing in America. Banksters not loaning out money to spur the economy which leaves businesses with less hiring and less tax revenue. Anything else Brad!!

          • Brad

            Just like a liberal, dance around the question and point the finger in other directions. Some of what you posted conservatives have been railing against for years, are you seeing some form of light Eddie.

  • Roger, a Canadian LIBERTARIAN

    This is just another example of “Whom the Gods wish to Destroy,they FIRST make MAD” ( an ancient Roman saying)…and we are seeing, nothing but madness, especially in Government!!!

    Check out my reaponae to John Myers comment,today.

  • Helen2

    All right, to the guys on the left or progressives, or liberals or whatever the crap you want to be called, just how are we supposed to be able to go anywhere without oil? All of the “new” vehicles that run on stuff other than oil are expensive. Just because I’m on SS doesn’t mean I don’t occasionally want to see my children and grand children, but we can’t afford those new cars and ours run on oil and gas. I am not alone in this situation, there are literally thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people just like me. Here we have good neighbors wanting to help us out and we slap them in the face so our dictator can remain in office. And if what was said earlier about being unable to get out of the contract with the middle east who provide us with oil and gas is true, I say, break the contract anyway we can!! They have done nothing to help us, so who cares? I’m not overly fond of the way they treat their wives and children, so I don’t particularly care about their stupid contract.

    And if we are talking about energy, let’s talk about the Department of energy that was created while Carter was in office to get us off our dependence on foreign oil. We have spent several hundred billion dollars on this department and it’s budget this year is $24.2 Billion. It currently has 16,000 Federal employees and 100,000 contract employees and what has it gotten us? Absolutely nothing. Let’s do away with this department and it will start saving us money right away. And yes I am aware it would put a lot of people out of work, but you know something? I don’t care. They have been living off the rest of us for years, they need to get out and get a real job! It’s ridiculous.

    It always fascinates me that the greenies (as I call them) don’t want any oil drilled in America, yet they go to the gas pumps to gass up, they use electricity to be able to see in their homes, they use natural gas to heat their home and/or electricity so where do they think all of this stuff comes from? It’s okay with them that some other country might be polluting themselves so we can use their product, just as long as we don’t do any polluting here in our country. Talk about ugly Americans, they definitely give a new definition to an old term.

  • Nancy from Nebraska

    Trans Canada has said that they will consider moving the pipeline route away from the Ogalala Aquifer if Nebraska will pay for the new environmental studies that would need to be done. Nebraska officials have said that they will do this. They never should have pushed for this route in the first place. This pipeline easily could have been parallel to their existing pipeline. Anyway, it looks as if it will be a go in a different location, which is all that Nebraskans were after.

    • http://personalliberyt.com 1911man

      Yes Nancy I quite agree as I also live in NE. the new problem I see is obummer still says he won”t make a decision to allow construction until the first quarter of 2013. As a pipe welder I am very disapointed with this decision.

  • Ron

    As it is, we have someone to whom does NOT want this Pipeline, as he is trying to destroy America and it’s People…. We know this by his actions from everything he has done or said….. We ALL know exactly as to whom we are speaking about, so I do NOT need to mention any names…..a simple BHO will suffice…..
    This so called person needs to be gotten rid of, as he is NOT an American and anyone with any Sense what-so-ever wouldn’t be thinking just shrug this off and expect it to just go away…..America can use this and it would be to our advantage to make use of this…..again though, we have an Idiot who knows nothing other than to RUIN and Destroy America under Soro’s guidance…..
    GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!!

  • Helen2

    Amen Ron!! The quicker we can get him out of office, the better for our country. As for the other guy Soro, we just need to send him back to his original country and he can finish out his life there. We don’t want our country to look like he wants it. He should be charged with treason too.

  • http://yahoo don

    leave it to obummer. his reelection comes firsr. everyone should lookup the “obama deception” online. it kinda tells alot that would convince everyone not to vote for him again.

  • http://yahoo don

    leave it to obummer. his reelection comes first. everyone should lookup the “obama deception” online. it kinda tells alot that would convince everyone not to vote for him again.

  • pdlane

    This would be nothing new or different….
    FYI…. Most of the North Slope… Alaskan oil is exported to Japan… not the U.S. Big Oil goes for the Big Buck$ ignoring U.S, national interests in favor of bigger profits.

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