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Keith Olbermann And The Real Hate Mongers

January 14, 2011 by  

Keith Olbermann And The Real Hate Mongers

As I write this, Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) is in critical condition in a hospital in Arizona after being shot in the head by a deranged psychopath at a political gathering in Tucson.

Six people were killed in the assault last Saturday, including a Federal judge and a 9-year-old girl. In a strange twist of fate, the child, Christina Green, was born on September 11, 2001. We extend our deepest sympathies to all of their families. Our prayers go out to them, as well as the 14 other people who were wounded in the assault, allegedly committed by a 22-year-old mentally ill person named Jared Lee Loughner.

The shooting was a tragedy. But what happened next was an outrage.

No sooner had the airwaves carried the news of the attack than the Left tried to blame the right for what happened. MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann, whose vicious tirades against conservatives know no bounds, ranted on national TV that “the climate of hate” created by Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and their ilk was responsible for the assassination attempt.

Within hours it was revealed that the gunman was a misfit and no friend of conservatives. He was an angry nihilist who said his favorite books included Karl Marx’s The Communist Manifest and Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf.

How about that — two of the top 10 books on my list of The Worst Books Ever Written were among his favorites. (If you missed that column, click here to see it.) Clearly Loughner is a creature of the Left, not of the Right. But that didn’t stop the hate-mongers in the media from piling on.

The New York Times set the tone for the rest of the mainstream media with an article, “Bloodshed Puts New Focus on Vitriol in Politics.” Most of The Times’ examples of vitriol, you will not be surprised to learn, came from the right. Major targets were Tea Party members, Sarah Palin and virtually anyone who opposed Obamacare.

The Times’ Pulitzer-winning columnist Paul Krugman, who leans so far to the Left he’s in danger of falling over, joined the chorus with a column blaming conservatives for fostering “a climate of hate.”

Politico, a popular website about all things Washington, said that “a veteran Democratic operative” immediately advised the White House to “deftly pin this on the tea partiers.” I would have suspected Rahm Emanuel (he of the “never let a crisis go to waste” fame) of being the source, but apparently he’s too busy running for mayor of Chicago.

In an effort to tar Republicans with Loughner’s murderous assault, someone even created a fake voter registration document for the guy, purporting to show that he is a registered Republican. It looked pretty authentic — obviously, whoever did it used a genuine card as his model — except for one thing: The Leftwing dope who did it misspelled Tucson!

All of this reminds me of another tragedy that rocked the nation — the assassination of John F. Kennedy in Dallas, Texas on Nov. 22, 1963. If you were an adult back then you remember that the airwaves were full of allegations that the President’s murderer must have been some crazed Right-winger. After all, the killing took place in Texas, right? A state that’s full of dangerous Rightists.

It turned out, of course, that the President’s assassin was a dedicated Marxist named Lee Harvey Oswald. The former sharp-shooter had even spent time in Mother Russia before returning to the U.S. and crusading for Fidel Castro.

The shooting in Tucson has provided another opportunity for the liars on the Left to blame patriotic Americans for what happened. Frankly, we probably should be used to it by now. For all of my adult life, patriotic Americans have been attacked and ridiculed by those on the Left as religious extremists, intolerant bigots, dangerous racists and worse. While the truth is, it is almost always people on the Left who advocate violence or make excuses for it, and try to smear their political opponents with the brush they themselves wield.

My fellow Personal Liberty Digest columnist Ben Crystal hit the nail on the head when he wrote two days ago:

“Nonetheless, while the Democrat Party urges its supplicant media to find a way to pin the murder of six people on Sarah Palin, the Tea Party and the GOP by proxy; the facts reveal a vastly different picture. It’s a picture of the ultimate expression of Leftist rage, fanned by monsters like Markos Moulitsas, raging idiots like Olbermann, violent union thugs from the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), and possibly the anti-semitic roaring of characters like former President Jimmy Carter.”

Thanks, Ben, I couldn’t have said it better myself.

Ben’s column (which you really should read; go here to see it) also quoted these gems from the current occupant of the White House. How about these examples of fanning the flames of violence?

“If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard.”

Or this one:

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”

Thanks, President Obama. You’re sure setting a wonderful example of calm, dispassionate, moderate leadership.

Over on Capitol Hill, things are almost as bad. Representative Jim Clyburn, the very liberal Democrat from South Carolina, said the real culprit was Sharron Angle, the feisty grandmother and outspoken Tea Party advocate who ran against Harry Reid in Nevada. Another Democrat congressman, Robert Brady from Pennsylvania, used the murders as an excuse to promote legislation that would make criticism of elected officials a Federal crime. Guess if Brady had his way, I’d not only get groped by Transportation Security Administration screeners every time I fly; I’d risk going to jail for some of my Straight Talk columns!

I just saw the results of a recent poll. It says that 57 percent of Americans do not believe that “overheated” or conservative rhetoric was responsible for Loughner’s murderous assault last week. That’s the good news.

Here’s the bad: 42 percent of respondents (most of them self-identified as Democrats) bought into this decades-long smear. It’s a sad commentary of how some people will believe anything — and say anything — to make their opponents look bad.

It’s not hate that motivates the Tea Partiers I’ve met. It’s love — love for this country and the principles upon which it was founded. Love of freedom. And yes, even love for our fellow man (and woman).

Like the incredibly brave men who signed the Declaration of Independence, many of us are willing to risk our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor to protect and promote the blessings of liberty. So I guess we can stand a little more name-calling. In the life-and-death struggle for freedom, what are a few more scurrilous smears?

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • s c

    Chip, you said it all via a mere seven words ['Keith Olbermann and the Real Hate Mongers']. After all, it’s not possible for any adult to combine true compassion and a velvet-gloved iron hand. One or the other will manifest itself, no matter how long it takes.

    • eddie47d

      More Tit for Tat by Chip Woods. I can hear him playing “When the Saints Come Marching In” to bolster his already inflated ego. He has out Crystal’ed Ben Crystal in stroking himself. Me thinks he has even out Olbermann’ed Keith Olbermann. Now everyone get out your lists of he said she said comments for we all know they are coming. Maybe Chip can turn up the volume alittle more and play “Onward Christian Soldiers’. The battle is in full gear.

      • Jerry

        Is your last name Haskell, did you know the Bev? Your a liberal decieved sap. Get a life.

        • proctologists for obama

          English lesson for the day
          your = possession, yours or mine
          you’re = you are, a noun and a verb

          proper language use will make your statements more credible

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And that really matters? We aint here for no dad gum english lessons there sparky.

          • sam

            It is so hard for me to understand how in the world you people can twist the truth in such strange configurations. Are all liberals actually mentally ill? It certainly seems so.

            We have a man (liberal nut case) who hates conservatives with a passion and you blame it on conservatives, I’ve heard that the judge was conservative. Could it be he planned to kill him? The hate speach comes from the left, folks. IT’S ENOUGH TO MAKE ONE VOMIT. Have you forgotten that people who hated the murder of children, or in favor of the constitution, or any number of other conservative thoughts, were labled as terrorists by the criminally insane left? Check out your communist congress and White House to see who the hateful, trash mouths are. Not us.

        • proctologists for obama

          Spelling lesson

          “i” before “e” except after “c” or pronounced as “a” in neighbor and weigh. It seems as lots of people skipped school that day too as few people take the time to make sure what they write/say is clearly understood

          • http://naver samurai

            I don’t care about his spelling, but I do understand his message. Let’s leave the schooling to the teachers, shall we? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Michael J.

            proctologist for obama,
            I was sitting at the bar next to a couple of drunks one night when one of the drunks suddenly posed this question to his drunk partner in a slurring manner. “Hey, didju know that sugar is the only word in English that’s pronounced sh, but it’s spelled su?” Well, his drunk partner hestitated briefly while the question penetrated his stupor, then raised his head slowly from the puddle of drool he had deposited on the bar and professed loudly yet slurringly, “Sure”!

            I thought perhaps you’d like a crack at this statement made by a couple of drunks who shall remain nameless, in a bar just a stones throw from The White House sense you are our newly self annointed spelling and grammar czar that is.

            PS, I thought Larry Sinclair was Obama’s proctologist, are you new?

          • JohnC

            Why am I not surprised! A Marxist Liberal, has nothing to say on the issue at hand, and tries to give spelling lessons. You are not impressing anybody with your leftist bullshit. If there is any hate in this Country, it emanates from the Marxist Democrats. They are the ones who have this Country gasping for air. There is going to be another revolution in this Country, and I will be right on the front lines of liberty, looking for subversives like you.

          • Brad

            @proctolo-don’t-get-the-gist

            You once again show how libs think and operate–once confronted with fact, common sense, or truth or any combination thereof, you must resort to name-calling and reputation destroying tactics to blur the topic or to divert the topic. And in your case, you resort to becoming an English teacher. But that’s just your way of resorting to childish “nanny, nanny, boo, boo” tactics to attempt to show your superiority.

          • sam

            Apparently you skipped out on common sense. I’d much rather have to figure out a word from someone with common sense than have to put up with the cross-brained idiots, who, having no reasoning power of their own, either mock others or wait for their commie friends to tell them what to think and say. Mob brains, I think they call them.

      • JUKEBOX

        Eddie, you and all of the so called sensitive, caring people like you remind me of an old adage: “YOU CAN’T SEE THE FOREST FOR THE TREES”.

        • eddie47d

          Juke; Chips comments don’t deserve sensitivity since he is the insensitive one.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Now in reality, I would have to say sir, that your comments towards Chip, are definately insensitive. Amazing how you left wing liberals can always turn things around. You spew hate, and when someone defends themselve, you call them a hater. Simply amazing. To anyone who has any truth in them at all, the real haters stick out like a sore thumb. Keith Olberman dropped a railroad tie on his thumb evidently.

          • Doug

            Eddie I think I hear you momma calling from upstairs come out of the basement and get out of your Star Wars costume it time for lunch. Oh when you get done with lunch Eddie I have a bone to tie around your neck so you can go out and play with the dog. Get a life little Eddie and for all all of us please go to see the doctor and get a vasectomy so you don’t have anymore little Eddies!

          • HFlashman

            Eddie…face it. Chip writes a “feel good” article where the children can be told it’s not their fault that everyone is marginalizing them in the spectrum of being effective and a voice in the future state of affairs.

            They are called to take a measure of responsibility and they pout, make excuses, and take the ‘it’s everyone’s fault but mine’ attitude. It’s because their programmers told them to be that way …

            Their heroes from Reagan onward drove this country to its knees, placed us in the mess we are in today, and they can’t handle the truth. No solutions offered other than wackier solutions than what brought us to this point. The destruction of the middle class, the control by forign and domestic wealth, the obvious dissing of their ideas by any leadership of either party, and the obvious playing them as fools … it’s not their fault. It’s everyone else’s.

            Heck…the only thing they have left now is a gang mentality where they can tell each other half truths and lies, and feel sorry for each other.

            Solutions and reason are becoming a foreign concept and out of reach of their abilties and capability.

          • Michael J.

            HFlashman,
            What does you and Eddie reading the words of someone you despise say about your state of mind. Newsflash, the internet is a big place. Find your own groove and lubricate it. Give everyone here a break from the redundant redundancy. We have all realized that trying to dis-indoctrinate a shill is like shooting a freight train with a bb gun, the truth/logic just bounces off.

          • http://naver samurai

            What’s wrong edduh? Didn’t you know that the truth hurts and there is no sesitivity about it? I swear, you libs are something else! Now which side of the fence do you think tends to spew more hate and use the race card on this site? The left wing extremists or the right? I’ll give you only one guess and it starts with “L”. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            the flushman shows his simple minded stupidity when he tries to slam Reagan, when everyone, even almost all the die hard liberals, that Reagan was the best president weve ever had. He led us through the most prosperous peace time this country has ever had. It took 4 years of Bush one, who carried it over, and then it took Clinton 6 years to ruin it and run it into the ground. They all think Clinton did wonders, he just rode the things Reagan initiated, and didnt do anything for 6 years to keep it going and ran it into the ground. And the flushman knows it, but is to biased to admit it. Get your blinders off boy, satan has a hold on you, when you cant see the truth directly in front of you.

        • David

          They can’t see the forest, nor the trees, because they are buried in the B.S. they most ignorantly fell into. Let’s focus the redistribution of wealth on these moroons bank accounts. I’m sure a good hacker could find them all, Starting the Rothschilds frontman Bore Soros. Dimwits like Olbermann should have majored in something besides DOPE SMOKING. I mean the guy was a horrible sports caster how hard is that? GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

          • Paul

            These leftist loonies have no thought process’s what so ever. No lodgic,no common sense, no reasoning. Their whole goal is to dissagree, just to dissagree. Their leaders put together phrases and buz words for them to repeat like the little parrot, robo callers they are. You waste your time trying to have any intelligent discoarse with them, because they have no intelligence.

      • Carl

        OK, so you despise Chip Woods, and your point about the Left’s vacuous and embarrassing attempt to blame Conservatives is..? Why do so many of the commenters on these types of articles, just bloviate and name-call, but never address the issue in any remote substantive way?

        • Eric Bischoff

          The issue is being addressed in a very substantive way and it is being honestly discussed and it needs to be. Is it possible you are not listening or willing to listen? Is it possible you are not watching or reading a wide enough spectrum to see that that there are many sides to a story?

          • Vicki

            Or maybe, just maybe Carl knows what argumentum ad hominem is.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I know the side of the left, inside and out skippy, where they quickly spin things to try to destroy someone, like they did when Sarah Palin was announced as a VP last election, and the hate monger democrats sent 200 investigators to Alaska to dig up dirt and attack and destroy her. When they found none, they fabricated things, and went after her children. That sir, is hatred, plain and simple. And this whack job that did this shooting, had Gabby’s name written down as “die bitch” on the envelope of her reply, almost 4 years ago, before Sarah Palin was even know to anyone outside of Alaska. And for the democrats to go where they did, in an attempt to color her in a bad light, is a sad, sad day for them, to stoop that low in hatred out of their fear for her. She is a kind, loving Christian woman, and thus, your democrat leaders and press are scared to death of her, because she is honest and truthful and people like her, and that is a foreign thing to you all. Shame on them, and shame on you for even remotely supporting them in this act of hatred they have taken. Shame on them. They know this was all about coloring her in a bad light for the next election, but I assure you, it has backfired. American’s arent that stupid. They see the falseness and the in-appropriateness of the liberals attack on Sarah Palin, and you have driven thousands more to vote for her, as your left wing liberal false attacks on her are transparent to all who have at least a half a brain in their heads. You guys are scary, and very, very evil to peform in this manner. Like I said, shame on the democratic party and shame on the liberal press, which is owned by the democrats. And a special shame to Katie Couric who was on her show just baiting people to blame this all on Sarah Palin, who had nothing, I repeat, nothing to do with this at all. The kid had her name written down as his target 4 years ago, and Sarah Palin wasnt even known then. The left wing is dangerous and pathetic, and are desperate and will do anything to try to retain power, and its too late, as each move they keep making, is one in the wrong direction, and digs their hole deeper and deeper. They are goners, and they know it. I cant wait until 2012 when we boot the rest of these haters out of office. Im out.

        • JUKEBOX

          This translates “SUBSTANTIVE” to the liberal, progressive point of view.

        • Rusticus

          Blaming the right for political violence is like blaming the Nazis for the holocost or blaming the KKK for lynching.

          • Hank, MO

            No, Rusticus– it’s much more like Marie Antoinette continuing to party and sneer at the starving French peasants just before they removed her silly head. Like you, Rusticus, she too was blissful in her ignorance but only had to sustain that condition for a short while before the people corrected her misconception. Enjoy the party, Rust.

          • http://naver samurai

            Too much kool aid! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://comcast.net Jim

          No article I have read is blaming the conservatives. They do point out that words have consequences. Many people blame Hitler for killing Jews. To my knowledge he never killed anyone. However his words did create an environment where people did kill Jews in his name.

          • Hank, MO

            So, Jim, you’re saying Hitler was innocent in all that transpired after he rose to power in Germany? Are you married to his sister or just trying to be cute?

          • Vicki

            Not his words, his orders.

        • eddie47d

          We were hoping Chip would be more substantive but were so sorely disappointed by him. He wants to be mocking and condescending and you all think that is great entertainment. You are the ones who can’t “see the forest through the trees”.

          • David

            Here is a view of the forest. You aren’t in it, you are not a tree, you are not even a weed, abort your children. Spend 280,000 dollars Per job to create a 25k a year job, hmm I’m no economics genius, but that seems like a loser, ask Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland. God bless unions, drive all the jobs out of a country and ENSLAVE other populations. Populations striving to be the new America, what happens when you run out of uneducated, undernourished people?

          • Vicki

            David says:
            “…. Populations striving to be the new America, what happens when you run out of uneducated, undernourished people?”

            Isn’t that the point of crushing the US economy. A new crop of uneducated, undernourished people?

          • eddie47d

            Okay tweedle dee and tweedle dum(Dave and Vickie). The USA may still be the wealthiest nation on earth but China has the roaring economy. So the wealthy aren’t doing much for our economy. They are only creating more wealth for themselves and paying less taxes. Not a very good combination but that is whom you support. China is spending billions on infrastructure and keeping their economy going while we sit on our duffs. How about another high five for the Republicans!

          • JeffH

            How about another thumbs down for ole incoherent eddie…

          • Robert Smith

            Hi eddie,

            You posted: “So the wealthy aren’t doing much for our economy.”

            That’s because they aren’t PRODUCING anything. They (as Ayn Rand would say) LOOTING our country with financial instruments that just move money around so each gets more.

            We need to get investing back to things that produce products and get Wall Street back from being a richer guy’s gambling joint.

            Rob

          • Vicki

            Eddie47d writes:
            “China is spending billions on infrastructure and keeping their economy going while we sit on our duffs. How about another high five for the Republicans!”

            Ignoring for the moment who is this “china” object, I am curious why you are offering a “high five” to the Republicans? for the last 4 years the Democrats have been in power in Congress and for the last 2 years they have had a super majority in the house, a filibuster proof majority in the Senate and a DEMOCRAT President. They had the power. Why didn’t they do whatever it is you are alluding to instead of sitting on their duffs or whatever it was they did do?

          • Vicki

            Robert Smith says:
            ——
            “Hi eddie,
            You posted: “So the wealthy aren’t doing much for our economy.”

            That’s because they aren’t PRODUCING anything.”
            ——

            They already produced things. That is how they GOT their wealth. They aren’t investing because the government is so unfriendly to business.

            ——
            Robert Smith: “They (as Ayn Rand would say) LOOTING our country with financial instruments that just move money around so each gets more.
            ——

            I don’t notice any of those transactions involving force of arms nor break ins to take what is not theirs without paying for it. They look fully consensual.

            ——
            Robert Smith: “We need to get investing back to things that produce products and get Wall Street back from being a richer guy’s gambling joint.
            ——

            People in Wall Street invest THEIR money where they think business will be stable and make a profit. It is THEIR money. They can gamble with it or take calculated risks with it all they want. When government stops messing with the economy so that it can become stable then more of the wealthy who are NOT investing right now will be willing to take the sensible risks of that more stable environment.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            When we run out of uneducated people, all we will have left is unions and democrats. Thats what.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            That should read, when all we have left is uneducated people, all we will have left is unions and democrats.

      • http://n.cates@cox.net Norman F.

        If you say “tit for tat” doesn’t it mean answering a smear? And it is the Saints GO marching in. Illiterate attacks such as this mean nothing.

      • Steve

        Thanks for sharing eddie. No not really I’m just saying that. I think you are a dumbass! You don’t respond to the great points in the article but immediatly begin to start causing trouble here. You are so predictable with your closed mind, aversion to the truth and any idea whatsoever of being a productive member of society. You are a big part of the problem here in this country.

        • DaveH

          He’s a Union guy. They can rationalize anything that gets them to their goal.

      • JeffH

        eddie has a propensity for avoiding the truth. Of course, it’s much more convenient for him to just ridicule the message and avoid the facts…at least that has been his M.O. Me thinks eddie has EDD and lusts for attention, be it negative or not. Remember the words of the great Forrest Gump…stupid is as stupid does!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          eddie is a spin doctor, like a good little liberal. It doesnt matter if they are right or wrong, as long as they can point a finger and blame it one someone else, that is what they do.

          • JUKEBOX

            The liberal spin today is more like a centrifuge separating the truth from their lies, and discarding the truth.

          • Robert Smith

            Good analogy Jukebox, but the spin it clockwise, ie. to the right.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, but the left is taking full advantage of this shooting in Arizona. So now which way is the spin going, moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Your dead wrong Robert. The right doesnt go out there, and spread hate and lies. It doesnt deceive its followers. It does spend too much money, and they know it. They all know it. Theyve got to get back to their conservative base, and do it now. But the left is the party of hatred and division, and that is evident of what has happened to this country since 2008. Major, major division has happened, mostly because, if you want the truth sir, the left has gone on its attack attack attack, blame, blame, blame thing for so long now, that the other side has gotten tired of it and started fighting back, and for that, they get called haters. When did it become that one is a hater for standing up for themselves? When the left wing owns the press and thinks they can say whatever they want and everyone should accept it as the truth. Buts its not. And we all know it is lies and hatred they spew, and were tired of it. Were tired of innocents like Gabrielle Giffords getting shot, and instead of figuring out why the authorities and the college knew this cat was a loaded gun and didnt do anything, they want to place blame on their top opponent in an effort to discourage people from voting for her in the next election. Thats all they are about, and its sick man. Its just plain sick. Lets find out why this guy was allowed to be walking around free, and with a gun, and make sure it doesnt happen again. Instead, what does the left do. They publicy post things people say like wishing someone would get a gun and shoot Sarah Palin and other republicans. That is irresponsible, and those people who wrote this stuff should be arrested and cited for assessory to a crime if anything happens, because that is what the left wing liberals are doing inciting this same violence, that they are falsely accusing the other side of doing, but to them, hey, its alright if they do it. What a bunch of sick twisted jerks, running around acting like little kids. Shame on them.

        • eddie47d

          Jeff; You added nothing,period,nothing. I can handle Dave and your snide remarks it’s nothing new and very recorded. I bet Chip can handle my comment but you and Dave H. fold like a cheap suit.Come back when you have something important to say.

          • JeffH

            Pissed ya off a bit eh? Polly want a cracker? bbbaaarrraaaccckkk!

          • DaveH

            You’re right, Eddie. When it comes to personal attacks and fabricating facts, I can’t come close to you.

          • eddie47d

            Your miles behind in honesty and did you both buy your suits at K-Mart? Good Night and Jeff don’t crush your parrot while sleeping at the insane asylum. Is Dave going to tuck you in, I hear he does love spooning.

          • DaveH

            Thanks for proving my point, Eddie.
            Are you really a conservative hired to make Liberals look bad? If so, good job!

          • JeffH

            eddie is having flashbacks about his man sex fetish again…you know, the one about a man in a black dress, purple panties and black heels…and know it bed tucking? Come out of the closet eddie…it’s OK if you’re gay.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JeffH,
            nah, let him stay in the closet, he’s made for it!!!

          • Robert Smith

            WOW! The above collection of snide cracks is such a fine example of personal attacks rather than addressing any point I’m putting it into my collection of “abuses from the right.”

            They simply haven’t addressed any points or facts, but put out a long string of gratuitous attacks.

            No wonder the right is thought to be so abusive of individuals and their rights.

            Rob

          • JeffH

            Robert Smith, don’t you have a craigslist personal add you need to address or somethin’?

          • DaveH

            Surprise, surprise. Another Liberal (Robert) takes things out of context. We are merely treating Eddie like he treats us. Is return fire not allowed in your Liberal world, Robert?
            If you want civility, Robert then give civility. Is that too hard?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Hello, my name is eddie. I live in the corner of round cardboard box and wear paper shoes. Thats about the logic your comments are having eddie, so knock it off please.

      • Dogma-Free

        I think what I find most despicable, is how Sarah Palin is trying to pass herself off as one of the victims of the Tucson GUN SLAYING massacre.

        But, Eddie, you’re most certainly right about the spin-job ole’ Chip is trying to put on this.
        Then again, most of the people here still buy into it, so – to borrow a misused phrase of George Dubya Bush – Mission Accomplished.

        • fundamentalattributionerror

          Clever comment and analysis. I tend to agree with Eddie as well but when we insult in each other we miss the point of living. That is what this is all about. Will anyone ever really know if Palin putting gunsight icons on democrats ridings on her website or her opponent asking people to shoot an M16 to express their disdain for Gifford contributed to her assassination attempt? Probably not. Should Palin and her opponent be horrified that their connotations and metaphors happened in real life….yes. Let’s hope both sides learn a lesson from this because we all express hatred at one time or another when we are passionate about some ideal and it is opposed by others. What we need to have is more tolerance and seek compromise otherwise we may be the next person to die needlessly, someone we love or a child we did not know but feel a great loss for. We all lost something great in this but it is an opportunity to learn from our mistakes. We should think before we speak and take the hate and gun metaphors out of our language when we refer to people with different ideals or debate topics.

          • Robert Smith

            fine idea.

            Let’s consider that the right in the abortion issue is speaking for their gawwwwwd and telling women they have to use their bodies they way they believe their invisible virgin raping gawwwwwwwd tells them to believe.

            On the left are women who are in different circumstances who want to decide for themselves how they want their bodies to be used.

            In America I vote for freedom and allow women to decide. To not let each woman decide is un-American. It’s called FREEDOM, and even the Christian god is supposed to offer free choice.

            The right wants to decide which recreational drugs are legal. Their gawwwwwwd tells them that everything except alcohol is bad. Alcohol in wine represents the blood of their christ. Bread represents the body. With transubstantiation they become the REAL blood and body of their savior, that christ guy. So, a bunch of cannibals want to tell us what drugs are good (alcohol) and what’s bad (everything else).

            Check out: “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him” (John 6:53–56). It’s really in the book.

            On the left it is worship as you please. Peyote for the American Indians is legal again, Ganga for the Rastafarians is legal again…

            On the right they are all going to their version of hell.

            In America I vote for what is free.

            Rob

          • Michael J.

            Robert Smith said,
            “On the left are women who are in different circumstances who want to decide for themselves how they want their bodies to be used.

            In America I vote for freedom and allow women to decide. To not let each woman decide is un-American. It’s called FREEDOM, and even the Christian god is supposed to offer free choice.”
            ———————————————————–
            Typical Liberal Wiccan exspressing righteous concern for the woman while not even considering the rights of the baby/child. But then again that’s not remarkable knowing that Wiccans conduct Pagan rituals wherin babies are sacrificed. And then there’s the Wiccan practice of dedicating to Lucifer all children conceived during ritual sex.

            Liberals in general are sick (literally), but this guy is Jared Loughner sick.

          • Karolyn

            You have your Wicca facts all wrong, Bud!

          • Michael J.

            Karolyn,
            Maybe you should read this:
            http://www.creationism.org/csshs/v15n1p03.htm

          • Michael J.
          • Michael J.
          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            She did not put gun icons on democrats. Please. She put them on districts they were targeting to win. Ive seen democrats do it in past elections with targets, with pins and buttons. So I supposed when the democrats were sticking pins marking districts, the press should rally that the democrats were calling on witch doctors to voodoo their opponents. Makes the same amount of sense. There is no way in hell anyone, on anyside of any aisle, wanted this to happen. And in no way, did anyone incite this to happen. The democrats have decided to be pure evil and use this for political gain, and that is so sad. Its wrong, its plain evil, and its unfounded as can be, and anyone that knows any truth in life, knows this is true also. They guy targeting her 4 years ago, and they have the evidence to prove it. Now, did any of you, outside of Alaksa that is, know Sarah Palin from Eve 4 years ago? I dont think so. But this nut job knew Gabby Giffords, and he formulated “die bitch” 4 years ago and wrote it on the envelope that she sent him as a reply. Of course, this is only for those interested in the truth. It seems the left is always, and I do mean always, interested in one thing, political agenda, and blaming someone else. Each and everytime, and Im sick of it, and the voters are sick of it, as previously demonstrated by sending over 60 of them out of office, and the rest will follow, and the more you stupid liberals do this stuff, the more will go, because we are not blind sheeple, only your diehard followers are, which isnt that much of the population, believe me. You have just lost a lot of voters on this by acting the part of the ass, and you have screwed up again. Shame on all of you that support this type of evil behavior.

    • HFlashman

      Chip Wood has given perhaps the most eloquent statement in the continuos bellicose, rants of denial coming from the extremist right which, by it’s own actions and words since Tuscon, is pushing itself into the oblivion of marginalism.

      Aside from the Olberman mislabel (Olberman didn’t come on national TV until Monday night…well after the nation was being treated to the immediate yells of denial by the extremist who knew they and their actions would come under intense scrutiny for the causation of this violent laden atmosphere which we have in our political body today).

      Growing up where instead of taking a date to the prom, one took them to a demonstation, I have witnessed the growing bellicose bullying from the Right grow from reagan’s implementation of the war against the middle classes onward to the extremist rhetoric and actions we have today. There is no comparison, none, between what the “liberal faction has done and said to the packing guns, statements of violence, the imsinuations and outright comments connected with violence and death that come regularly from the extremeist right.

      All that needs to be said to solidify the right’s reputation and profile of being composed of extremist and violent mindsets is to ask yourself…when you first heard of the Tuscon shooting…before anything else came out about the shooter…were you thinking “oh oh hope the guy wasn’t a TPer….”?

      Another thought one may have is the number of areas on which the extremist right is being attacked. Not throughout a series of decades like is being put forth by the defenders of the indefensible acts and statements of the extremist right … but just this past election cycle. Who with a sane mind and some inteligence would support packing guns to rallies? Who in their sane mind would suggest it’stime for a little “2nd Amendment practice’ when referring to the federal government? Or uses as a fundraising commerical shooting up bills of Congress or packing around semi auto’s? And who in any sane logical thinking would not see that an articel trying to cast blame away from the marginalism of the extreme right, trying to lay blame on those who are exposing and openly debatng the moral, ethical, and sanity levels of the extremist right …. ends with the sentence “keep some powder dry” (changed it eh Chip?)

      • Bruce D.

        “Reagan’s implementation of the war against the middle class” Flashman do you have any idea what you are talking about. Reagan won 49 of the 50 states in his second term election. He didn’t do that by declaring war on the middle class.

        • bob wire

          Yes he did! ~ and he was very good at it!

          That was in the early years of this war and as long as enough people in the middle were still employed, making war toys and the banker were happy, the rest of the middle was just seen as under achievers and malcontents.

          Reagan “likability” won his second term and the middle was on it’s way down. ~ It simply a matter they couldn’t see that far and it was “Good” at their house ~ so what’s the problem? The war was young.

          • http://yahoo Bob

            The real story, of the reagan years, can be found in the book Tear Down this Myth, by Will Bunch. America is still suffering, from his pro business, anti labor polices. His trickle down policy, is nothing more than feeding a horse (business) enough oats, and letting the sparrow (workers) pick the few oats, out of the horse crap.

            boner, the house leader, is a disciple of reagan.

          • Bruce D.

            Have you ever heard of the ‘trickle up’ policy Bob. Obama is using it now and unemployment is hovering near 10%. You and the left can create your nice little war with business but you are only shooting yourself in the foot. Oh, excuse the expression.

          • smilee

            BRUCE

            You trying to convince us Reagan and Obama have the same economic policies. Then why is it far right wingers love REAGAN AND HATE OBAMA?????????????

          • http://?? Joe H.

            smilie,
            you DO know the difference between up and down, don’t you???

          • geller

            Well , after reading some of this crap, I have found someone who knows what he’s talking about. Reagan was the first repub that started the ball rolling. Deregulation, that was his first killer. Papa Bush was next then we got the prize winning Bush/Cheney. They almost brought this country to her knees. They sent all our jobs to china. I guess W had a brain fart. Now is asking “what the hell happened”

        • HFlashman

          Next to Bush II, reagan was to most destructive force against the Middle Class we have ever suffered from in a presidency. Fact is fact. He was an actor, and people felt ‘good’…but in every aspect of measurement, his was the second most destructive force againt Middle America…second only to Bush II.

          • Angel

            As a true conservative, there are a number of things that President Reagan did that I feel deeply hurt this country. His 1987 appointment of Alan Greenspan, for example. I voted for Reagan to create small, efficient government that only acted as overseer and protector of the common good rather than the active participant in everyday life. Also, Reagan preverted the role of government in our society – giving business cronies controls of the government to write policy, gut basic protections and bill us for their “services.” We ended up with the bloated federal legacy. When I think of Reagan, I think of mergers, DEFICITS, deregulation, DEFICITS, tax cuts for the wealthy, DEFICITS, privatization, DEFICITS, globalization – all things (with help from Bush, Clinton and W Bush) helped weaken the family and eradicate small-town life and the sense of community.

          • Bruce D.

            You are such a phony Andrew. Don’t you think people can see through that?

          • Vicki

            The really fun thing about debating people like HFlashman is that they make wild assertions, claim “facts is facts” and then fail to provide any facts.

            So for the enlightenment of all who wish to be, here are some facts about the “Reagan Years” and the “Middle Class”
            http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=1120

            I think I will take Reagan’s “destruction” over Obamas “help” any day.

          • JUKEBOX

            The worst thing Reagan did to the middle class was to grant amnesty to all of those Illegals in our country. Now, Obama is exempting them from the mandatory purchase of health insurance. I sure was better off under Reagan, and I was nowhere near Obama’s definition of WEALTHY.

          • Dogma-Free

            It’s almost funny (well, maybe ‘funny’ isn’t the right word…) how the supposed ‘fiscally conservative’ Republican presidents always seem to end their terms in the red…meaning the economic ‘red’, as opposed to meaning red, as in spending the blood and lives of Americans and foreigners alike…though, oddly, they seem to manage to do that too.

            Ahhh, the GOP…it’s a legacy of debt and spilled blood that they seem to want to leave us all with…though sadly, not their own.

          • Karolyn

            Some real truths about Reagan and the media’s adoration of him.
            http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1832

          • eddie47d

            Vickie; The Cato Institute is a very right leaning outfit.(that’s okay) but naturally they will write a glowing report about Reagan. Kind of like Chip’s lopsided review today.

          • Vicki

            Eddie47d. Since you offered no evidence to the contrary we find in favor of the assertion that Reagan was good for the middle class. Of course having lived thru that time I already KNEW that.

            Cato credibility 1
            Eddie47d credibility too small to measure. It really is above 0.

          • Karolyn

            People are always telling me check out their links. I post one from a group called fair.org on Reagan and all I hear are crickets. Are they afraid to read something that isn’t slanted?

          • JeffH

            Karolyn, of course you couldn’t read that the comments to produce the facts were directed at eddie “he’s never backed up what he says” 47D.

          • JeffH

            Karolyn, also, your link just hammers him for his “likability” and not much else. Name one president that has not failed in one way or another during their presidency. I personally think one of Reagan’s greatest achievement was in making America feel good about itself – no mean feat in a country still scarred by the trauma of the Watergate scandal and the failings of Jimmy Carter’s presidency. His optimistic manner helped to restore the nation’s confidence, and his folksy rhetoric belied a subtle intelligence. Anyone listening to his addresses today will realise why he became known as The Great Communicator. In the eyes of many, President Reagan is quite simply the man who defeated the mighty Soviet Union but I would say that the rule of communism played a much larger role in the Soviet demise. Who could forget that great speech on June 12, 1987. President Ronald Reagan spoke to the people of West Berlin at the base of the Brandenburg Gate, near the Berlin wall: “General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!”

          • Vicki

            Karolyn says:
            “People are always telling me check out their links. I post one from a group called fair.org on Reagan and all I hear are crickets. Are they afraid to read something that isn’t slanted?”

            Well I DID go to your link and I read it. Since it was not discussing anything at all about the point being debated (Was Reagan bad or good for the middle class) I saw no reason to comment on it.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Bob Wire and flashman are dirty pathetic liars concerning Reagan. I was and still am in the middle class. In fact back them, I was lower class, making less than 30 grand a year. I got stuck paying 686.00 bucks in taxes at the end of one year, because my wife and I were getting punished by the government with taxes because we both worked. Enter Ronald Reagan. He put an end to that. The next year, gee fellas, I got back 2300.00, plus I was taxed less during the year. Yeah, the guy really assaulted us middle class people. You guys are pathetic lying losers. Go tell your lies to your lefty sheeple who believe stuff without examining it. Me, I lived through it, I know how it was, I know how I benefitted from Reagan, and more importantly, how the nation benefitted. You little twit. I was born and raised democrat, because my parents lied to me and told me that the democrats were for the working man, and the republicans were for the rich. They lied, and I found out. Reagan turned me into a republican, and I long for the days when and if the Republicans turn back to Reagan conservatism. The most prosperous peace time this country has ever seen. So go tell your lies to some 18 year old that doesnt know any better. But those of us who were there, we recognize your pathetic losing lying ways to support your agenda. Shame on you for hiding from the truth. Your despicable, and you just got caught lying.

          • kate8

            Beberoni – You are absolutely right. The Left incites a problem, then blames it on the Right.

            It’s the same tactic their infiltrators use at TeaParties. They create a disturbance, have the cameras ready, then it’s all over the airwaves how “violent” TeaPartiers are.

            Wanting to take the moral high ground, we thought if we ignored them they’d go away. We let it go on for too long unchallenged, and now they’re indignant that we are fighting back.

            Fortunately, it’s backfiring right in their faces. They still keep up the same continual, persistent spewing and name-calling, but fewer people are listening.

          • bob wire

            “Bob Wire and flashman are dirty pathetic liars concerning Reagan.”

            well, ahemm?, ~ at least you qualified your statement “concerning Reagan”

            otherwise, I’d be left wondering which lie!

            LOL!

            I enjoy hearing such statements as it solicits a pointed response and to be despised here, I consider a great honor.

            Reagan launched the beginning of the war on Americans inside their own homeland that’s pitted neighbor against neighbor.

            Oh! It wasn’t obvious at first ~ in fact, myself and the family I had married into, worked hard for Reagan here in Texas to secure the first chair position and the family was rewarded handsomely with Director of Human Resources Presidential appointment for three states.

            So, I don’t believe I could be considered a voice crying out from the wilderness in protest and not know what I’m talking about.

            A history accounting is there for you to read and accept Sir. My time is limited at the moment and I know it’s impossible to make a horse drink water.

            But I will say this, Regulations were put in place for good reason many years ago to offer some protection for the middle economic tier levels from hungry economic predators of many sorts.

            Reagan and his policies allowed the Fox in the hen house, from junk bond kings, hostile take overs and sell off, leveraged buyouts, to banking lending practice,forcing Mom & Pop business out of business, and on and on it’s gone to this very day.

            “Let’s wake up this sleeping giant” ~ if your business is military and arms ~ and everyone else can take a nice long nap!

            “Let’s get the Federal Government off the peoples backs” ~ give city, county and state a good shot at them.

            That you must have enjoyed the 80′s Sir, more power to you, but your good fortune came as a great cost to others, leave you to say, it doesn’t matter or you just don’t care or that there will always be poor, worthless, lazy malcontents and deserving of their place a position.

            I know you feel deserving of your ideas and status much like the German people as their government fleeced the wealth from their very neighbors with no remorse and conscience.

            In any case, I haven’t to time to go into it in great depth and shouldn’t have too ~ it’s there for you to read. I’ve little doubt accepting it will be very hard for you to do.

          • Doug

            Beberoni you were making that much money you need to taxed more you are one of the wealthy. Is it not funny when the left and the anti get of my but and work hard group keep saying that the wealthy don’t pay enough taxes, yet they pay more then all the lower groups combined. There is no reasing with idiots if the crap hits the fan you know who will not surviving it will be the liberals they will try and take from us who work our ass off but will end up be fertilizer.

          • eddie47d

            Beberoni; So you’re parents were liars that’s so kind of you to say. God rest their souls. Reagan started the downfall so you may not have seen it while he was President. Kind of like how Obama has to deal with Bush’s problems. They get kicked down the road. Deregulation and union busting tore down the middle class and set the stage for corporate greed. I wouldn’t be praising Reagan for that.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            We all are liars at sometime eddie, but I forgive them for it. My dad used to be pro-union, as he retired from one. But now being retired for 20 some years, and I bring him many many articles, and he is now reading up on the democrats and unions, he is finding he cant believe how the newpapers and TV news lie all the time, and he find unions to now be disgusting, and things they have to go. It is nice that growing up, my parents too time to educate me, and now, I can return the favor and give them an alternative to the lies that the liberal news media and news papers print. Glenn Beck has been a beacon of light in bringing the truth into my parents home, and Im glad Ive spent the time and care to go over there and sit with them and get them watching it, and now you cant keep them away from the truth. The truth is contagious, and you should try it some time, you blind sheeple.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Oh yes, I almost forgot. When I said my parents lied to me about the democrats, they didnt know they were lying, as that is what they thought to be true. Big difference pal. You guys right now know that Sarah Palin had nothing to do with this thing, yet your hatred wants you to spin it so thinking you will make people not like her like you do, but your dead wrong. Your bringing many followers to her, as people recognize the evil of your lies, as they see the facts, that this guy targeted Gabby 4 years ago before Palin was around, and your assinine theory is making more and more distant themselves from your pathetic scared party. Nice move libs, your pathetic liars, and we all see you.

        • http://comcast.net Jim

          If Reagan and the Republican party destroyed the middle class. They began the transfer of jobs from America to China.

        • who cares

          Reagan, was the biggest bullshiter. he started as a Democrat then went to the dark side the republican. He F#$*ed over entire middle class and unions. If you don’t know by now how republicans work and speak both sides of asses you should not be voting. The sad thing they get you damn fools to believe it was the Democrats fault. You damn asses believe it.

      • Conservative at Birth

        That’s right, we are keeping our powder dry, in the event you Totalitarian Socicalists make your move to declare Martial Law and eradicate us. You will be surprised how many of us there are. By the way what is your definition of EXTREME RIGHT?

        • JUKEBOX

          It’s probably anyone that’s just a little left of center!

      • Len Dean

        The gunman was and is of your world view, enough said.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          This gunman, obviously a nut job, definately more closely resembles a liberal action than a conservative one, that is for sure.

        • Karolyn

          ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Buts its not a laughing matter. Its a sad, sad situation. For one, they knew about this guy and still he remained free to kill, and two, this devastating thing to so many families has happened, and a political party immediately jumped on this for political gain, when there was nothing there. That is a damn dirty shame, and the democrats should be ashamed of themselves. Very ashamed.

      • Russ, 30 yr. marine E-9

        I just listened to the wonderfully eloquent Sheriff, he said it all. Hate the right, take away their first amendment rights and anything else that makes them American, after all we have about 11 million illegals who may get to vote. I wonder who they will vote for? I wonder how they will pay their taxes? maybe you can work two jobs and let some of them live with you. Have a good day and God Bless America.

        • kate8

          Russ – That’ll be just great, won’t it? They take all the guns from American citizens, and the only ones left who have them are illegal aliens (who don’t adhere to any of our laws) who are h*ll-bent on “reclaiming” America. Oh, and any other criminals around to don’t give a rat’s behind what laws Congress passes.

          I understand why the Leftists in power want to do this, but it’s beyond me why ANY law-abiding citizen would think it’s a good idea.

          • JUKEBOX

            If they take our guns away from us, it will be easier for the Mexicans to come up here, and begin assasinating Police Chiefs and Mayors like they are doing in Mexico today (17 Mayors in the last year). I wonder who the liberals would blame then.

        • Ted Crawford

          Yes Russ and if anyone, besides the shooter, has any responsibility for the shootings it might just be him! We now know that the shooter had, had previous run-ins with various law enforcement groups before this. seems to resemble the Christmas Day bomber event, where the bombers father had warned the authorities and was ignored!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          And this same wonderful sheriff is probably responsible for releasing an unknown amount of illegal aliens who have undoubtedly committed hundreds of crimes in the Arizona area. Nothing worse than a liberal law enforcement agent. Pacifists should not be in the law enforcement business, not at all. He should be fired for his false remarks. If this was the other way around, the liberal press would be calling for his dismissal and they would have had it already. No doubt about it.

      • Laurie, Haslet, TX

        You are doing the exact same thing the LEFT media is doing – Blaming without a shred of evidence that the RIGHT is promoting hate.

        While the RIGHT uses the audio tapes of these haters as proof – the LEFT does not – they just make false claims. If they do provide anything at all – its heavily edited and taken out of context. If Beck were to say the SKY is BLUE – the LEFT would claim he is lying.

        Fact is if you ever actually paid attention to the RIGHT and compared what was actually said to what is reported by the LEFT – you will find that the LEFT is distorting the truth.

        ITs the LEFT promoting hate and violence – the RIGHT has been exposing the Progressives agenda to destroy this great country. How they handled the most recent tragedy is an excellent example of it.

        Even though it has been proven that Loughner was not into politics at all -the LEFT is still LYING about it.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          That is exactly right. Why is it, that the left can attack, attack, attack, and they think that is all right to do, but if that person getting attacked stands up and defends themself, then they are accused of attacking? How can this be? All through the election I listed to Obama and Biden attack everything and anything, and when those being attacked spoke up, and said the truth, the liberal press labeled them the Republican attack machine. I saw this and thought “you have got to be kidding me”. This is why I will not watch any programming on ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN or MSNBC, and a few others. Im tired of the lies and the propaganda they spread. It is poison to the country and to its people, and it has caused such great division in this country never seen before. The liberal lefts outlook is downright dangerous and demeaning to these United States of America that I so love. When they go as far as making it sound normal to give lawyers to terrorists caught trying to kill us, and trying to present to us that the muslim way is a peaceful non threat to us, then they have crossed the boundaries of reality into one of dangerous propaganda. And they need stopped. And by not tuning in to them, I will do my part to make their ratings fall and make them fail, until they fire all the anti american rhetoric people that are their mouthpieces, and change their outlook. Wont all you normal people with a brain in your head join me please, and put them out of business. This is America, and we are not under Shariah law yet, but if the liberals have their way, soon we will be, and they will suffer just as much, only they are too damn dumb to realize it.

        • Doug

          Laurie I agree with you whole heartly but I must tell you the sky is not blue!

          • Carlucci

            LOL – !!! I can’t stop laughing over Doug’s hilarious answer above to Eddie47b (Star Wars costume, tying a bone around his neck and sending him out to play with the dog, etc.) I love reading this blog because of all the different opinions. Every once in awhile someone comes up with some truly funny comic relief. The weather today here in my hometown is cold, gray, and dreary. When I read that post earlier, I burst out laughing and have been chuckling about it ever since. Doug, you made my day, and what a wonderful way to start the weekend. Thanks, and I hope you and the rest of the gang have a great weekend.

      • Angel

        Excellent information, HFlashman. Point of correction for you: Olbermann made a special comment on Saturday evening about the tragedy. I saw it on YouTube and can assume that it aired on MSNBC. Point of correction for Chip Wood: Olbermann criticized the rhetoric and hyperbole of all sides – not just candidates like Angle or commentators like Beck. He actually noted that he had used violent hyperbole to criticize Hillary Clinton during the 2008 primary campaign and said he was wrong for doing that. His point: if anyone read into his comments a call (directly or indirectly) for violence, they were wrong. He has been consistent for his condemnation of violence on all sides of the political debates.

        One point we all can take from this: Words have impact. Maybe most of us here are adult enough to know better. (Though with the name-calling around here, I’m not sure at times. Olbermann is also a big in the juvenile name-calling business.) But some people don’t know better. As I have written around these boards recently: our ideas will win – we don’t need to be uncivil or petty (no matter how others act or we perceive them to act).

        • Eric Bischoff

          Olberman is just as bad as Cavuto.

          How can you take anything seriously from any TV host that bring in guests, ask them questions and theminute they don’t like the answer or where it’s gioing they scream above them. Hannity could be the meanest and stupidest. O’Reilly is bipolar and I would never turn my back on him. The parade of cute all made up brainless women is an embarrasment. Glenn Beck is by far the most dangerous. They are badly behaved children.

          Lawrence O’Donnel and even Joe Scarborough on the other hand can make intelligent arguments.

          I recommend the new Parker Spitzer show for intelligent civility.

          Hell even Al Jazeera is more truthful and informative than our alphabet network

          But if you really want to learn something I highly recommend Amy Goodman of Democracy Now and Thom Hartmann.

          • DaveH

            A truly intelligent guy need not resort to personal attacks in lieu of facts.

          • JUKEBOX

            I believe Eric is a pseudonym for Mike Malloy.

          • eddie47d

            Then maybe Dave H. needs to leave the scene.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            All these guys you attack, I personally find to tell the truth and lay out the truth pretty plainly, and then even invited the other side on to refute it, and they cant do it. You know why Eric? Because you cant change the truth. The truth is the truth is the truth, and the truth will set you free. That is why the liberal left hate these guys, because they expose the left and all their lies for all to see, and the left in turn, cannot expose them, because you cannot expose the truth. The truth is what it is, the truth. And people know and recognize the truth when they see it and hear it. And they recognize political slant, such as what the left is trying to do with this tragic event, and it shows the depth of evil they will stoop to, to try to advance their cause. Its hateful and pathetic, and people see that Eric, and believe me, they are losing thousand of votes over this, because many people are starting to see them for the asses they are, and they continually keep exposing themselves in a dark light, over and over and over again. They are doing it to themselves, but somehow, they will probably blame it all on Bush. Thats how they roll.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I have heard Olberman spew hate towards all kinds of people, and continually for a few years now, so he should just shut his piehole, because he is a hypocrite. You cannot spew hate, then accuse others of spewing hate. Typical left wing hypocrite.

          • JUKEBOX

            I wonder what the liberals would say if some nut shoved a CO2 capsule in Rush Limbaugh’s face, as Chris Matthews suggested.

      • Richard

        No, the first thing I thought of was radical left wingers and/or radical Muslims ala Fort Hood.

        A significant problem here is that reality is foreign to liberals. If a liber would ever actually acknowledge reality, their entire belief system, (fueled by delusion), would collapse.

        • Eric Bischoff

          More baseless ill informed dribble.

          • kate8

            Eric – Are you drooling or did you mean drivel?

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          • DaveH

            Coming from the master of drivel. Well, sorry Eric, I guess you do take a back seat to Flashdunce.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Its not the NBA Eric. Its not dribble, its drivel. Now load up your crack pipe and take another hit pal.

          • JUKEBOX

            Eric does mean dribble, because he is foaming at the mouth and it dribbles off his chin.

        • Ted Crawford

          The real problem here is that the term “progressive logic” is actualy one of the worlds ultimate oxymorons!

      • JeffH

        HFlash always the Alinsky-ite…I have but one link for you to survey and it contains the very hate and vitriol that the left has made famous.

        The progressive “climate of hate:” An illustrated primer, 2000-2010
        http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

        • JeffH

          Mr. Olbermann, addressing President Bush, said: “You instructed no one to mail the fake Anthrax [received by Olbermann], nor undermine the FBI’s case, nor call for the execution of the editors of the New York Times, nor threaten to assassinate Stephanie Miller, nor beat up a man yelling at Senator George Allen, nor have the First Lady knife Michael J. Fox, nor tell John McCain to lie about John Kerry. No, you did not, sir. And the genius of the thing is the same as in King Henry’s rhetorical question about Archbishop Thomas Becket: ‘Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?’ All you have to do, sir, is hand out enough new canes.”

          In response to Mr. Olbermann’s hateful comments and the hypocritical silence of the liberal media, MRC President Brent Bozell issued the following statement:

          “Mr. Olbermann’s comments are beyond partisan. They are radically extreme and hateful. If any conservative even came close to the tenor and bitterness of Mr. Olbermann’s rhetoric, the liberal media would assail them as hate-mongers who are dividing the country. And if he worked for a network, he’d be fired immediately – or look at Michael Savage who, incidentally, was fired from MSNBC. But when a leftist like Mr. Olbermann spews his venom, the liberal media say … nothing.
          http://www.mrc.org/press/2006/press20061102.asp

          • JeffH

            Keith Olbermann launched one of his trademark tirades against Palin, this time attacking her for having the audacity to defend herself on the day President Obama was set to speak at Tucson.

            But as Noel Sheppard of Newsbusters points out, Olbermann had a hissy fit the previous day because Palin had not spoken out, as did Ed Schultz and Chris Matthews.

            Apparently, some liberal hatemongers – and that is all they are – are unable or unwilling to “expand” their “moral imaginations” or are unwilling to “listen to each other more carefully.”

            ABC News reports that death threats against the former governor are at unprecedented levels since the Tucson shooting Saturday.

            Let’s be crystal clear – the mindless attacks and hateful rhetoric against Palin by Press, Olbermann and others is responsible. It is time these irresponsible talkers consider the impact their rhetoric is having on those who are predisposed to hate

            For some on the left, it would not matter what Palin did, as noted here: Let’s face it – it would not matter what Palin said or did. She could commit ritual suicide on live television and liberals like Clyburn and Press would find some reason to whine and moan about it.
            http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/bill-press-keith-olbermann-continue-hate-speech-against-sarah-palin

          • DaveH

            Let’s face it, Jeff, the audience that their comments are directed to can hardly be accused of thoughtfulness.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I truly feel, that after Olberman spewed out all his evil, and has incited people to go shooting at people, if Sarah Palin or anyone else Olberman has incited with his hateful rants over the years ends up getting shot, this bonehead Olberman should be jailed for accessory to murder or whatever it is that might happen. He is inciting dangerous people to take action and do his dirty work, and he fully knows it. He is so violent in his rants, that he starts spitting like a pro wrestler if you watch him, and he is possessed and taken over when he gets on a roll like that. I do not seriously understand how someone can live that dark and depressing of a life. What a sad, sad, little man he is indeed.

          • eddie47d

            Beberoni; I’m no fan of Olbermann but you have your Ann Coulter’s so should she be charged with attempted murder? or is there a double standard? Maybe if she hikes her skirt up any higher it will help you take your mind of of what comes out of her mouth.

          • DaveH

            Aren’t Liberals the ones who claim to be for the advancement of women?

          • eddie47d

            Could it be Coulters lack of Christian morals that make her a bulls eye but go figure ,the conservatives “love” her.

          • DaveH

            It’s more likely, Eddie, that you are just a typical Liberal hypocrite.

          • geller

            the reason the media doesn’t say anything is because he’s RIGHT.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Note to eddie. I have never once brought up Ann Coulter’s name in any of my posts, so for you to throw that at me, shows your just not paying attention, and you have an agenda to bend. I dont follow Ann Coulter, and just because your hot for her and she wont give you the time of day, is no reason for you to take it out on me. Now go spank yourself and leave me alone with your twisted rhetoric.

        • HFlashman

          If you need to resort to Michelle Malkin…you are in trouble. Jeesh …

          • Vicki

            Had you actually bothered to go to the link JeffH offered (evidence by your comment that you did not) you would have seen that Jeff was being efficient. Since we are allowed only 1 link per comment (without waiting for “moderation”) he found an article that contained a BUNCH of facts directly supporting his assertion.

            Something you might do if there were really any facts to support YOUR assertions.

          • kate8

            flash – This is just toooooo much of a temptation to resist.

            Why the hate toward Michelle Malkin? I’ll bet you hate her because she’s Asian.

            Just using your logic here.

          • Doug

            Dispute the fact that she lays of Fartman you love to write long winded bull crap but can’t produce not facts. I love to meet you any where any time. As a matter of fact I give you a gun and I will have none and I still tear you apart peice by piece. You liberals love to start crap but when comes time to go man man you like little woman. I think we should put you on a cross in Arizona desert with a little sign that says I love you illegal imigrants please on tie me.

          • JeffH

            HFlash…Michelle Malkin just tells it the way it is, something you “lefties” know nothing about..ie..truth and facts! Scares the begeeeses out of you guys doesn’t she.

        • Stan Smith

          Geee The Libtards call us regular Americans Conservatives/Independents Racists?? Because Obummer is Black?? Sorry Libtards we don’t hate Obummer because he is black it’s his policies we don’t like. Let’s see Libtards can be racists too They attack Lt. Col West he’s Black and Michelle Malkin and she’s Asian Yep The Libtards must be Racist showing so much hate on these two! Yes Libtards use race card and be racists at the same time!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Obama isnt black. He is half white, half black.

      • DaveH

        Olberman didn’t come on tv until monday night, Flashdunce? In that case this youtube poster must have been a fortune teller (note the post date):
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UbCDtT02Hg

        This guy makes flashdunce look absolutely normal. Note the unbelievable amount of hate and vitriol coming from this man while condemning others for their hate and vitriol.

        • Warrior

          Classic Olbermann! He’s the poster child for why we need to have the discussion about how to treat people with mental illnesses in our society.
          Frankly, this term nutjob when referring to Lougher is wrong. He is, after all, a human being with a mental illness.

      • Doug

        No Fartman I was hoping it was a illegal alien, and was hoping that as a follow up that Air Force one went down with another illegal alien aboard. You do know who that is right FARTMAN?

        • HFlashman

          nawwww…there is no hate or violence spewed from the extremist right. None at all. Doug here is proving the point that the TPers and extremists all preach peace … jeesh ..

          • Doug

            You bet Fartdane plenty of hate here but unlike you childish liberals I don’t strike out unitl giving you the first shot then I being a man of charter and morals finish the job. I can’t stand people like you who are destroying this country I love. I really don’t care what you do but don’t take my money and my time because you are to dam lazy to work and provide for yourself and family. You have no idea what us conservatives will do if and when the times comes to take back the country we love. You better hope like hell it does not come down to fighting in the streets.

          • Karolyn

            I’m shakin’ in muh boots!!

          • eddie47d

            Doug; I do believe Flashman works so what is with your threats and silly remarks. I guess if you say liberals don’t work or love their country enough times you start believing it. Lay off the fibbing pills.

      • Jerry

        Lashman, Can you even relate to anyone “who has a sane mind and some intelligence”. I say not. Your “gun packer” happens to be an alumnus of “Leftism”!

        • Karolyn

          You obvisouly cannot read and have cotton in your ears to have not heard the descriptions of the gunman. He was against aobrtion, after all! HE HAD NO SIDE BUT HIS OWN!!!!!!!!!

      • Hank, MO

        My first thought of the stilted, self-important style of your initial paragraph was: Gotta be an arrogant, elitist liberal. Then, I thought: Maybe not, give it a read. I should have stuck to my first one and simply skipped your meaningless drivel. I hate pompous asses who can’t express a legitimate thought without expounding endlessly. Bet you talk that way, too, don’t you? Sure glad I’ll never have to attend any of your parties! Reading the classifieds in the New York Times would probably be more interesting!

    • bob wire

      Hmm? well Chip, what can I tell you that you don’t already know? When law authorities asked the standard question, Did Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) have any enemies? The answer was yes! everyone in the Tea Party!

      After years of veiled threats of violence, of gun play and now she lays dying on the ground among the bodies of the dead and dying.

      You tell me Chip how someone should take this.

      The Tea Party has became someone of “interest” to authorities by their own handy work as the whole nation look on.

      Now you can attempt to defer any guilt if you wish but I’m afraid your case is rather weak as you yourself stand at the kettle a stirring the pot of discontent.

      That the Tea Party early on elected to hitch their horses to a Arizona wagon loaded full of federal discontent and champion the far right cause was a deliberate act. The organized efforts to disrupt town hall meeting, to encourage people to arm themselves and openly display that they were heeled up and exercising their constitutional rights.

      Where it can be proven or not, matters little to me for I know this deranged boy child hasn’t lived the last three years in a media vacuum and is a produce of what America has to offer.

      I’m not saying the Tea Party is guilty but “innocent” would not begin to apply.

      • JUKEBOX

        How many TEA PARTY people have been indicted for a hate crime or murder, compared to left wingers?

        • bob wire

          several that I can think of just off hand, but that’s to no end, but a tit for tat game I’m not playing.

          Innocence, is not the Tea Party’s to claim and you going find it difficult to get around the fact. ~

          The very nature of being a Tea Party supporter requires an unusually healthy portion of near sighted, self-righteousness, so such reactions to my post suggesting the Tea Party found not pure as the recent falling snow comes as no surprise.

          You are free to attack me and my posting with everything you possess, but in the end, my posting represents what many American are thinking today, leaving you to live with it, flop around all you wish and it won’t change a thing.

          • Buzz75

            Please name tjose Tea Party members who have been arrested and charged with murder.

          • annie

            No bob wire…..as far as what many Americans are thinkg today…it works both way on both sides of the fence, and I take offense to your post because you came out blazing to accuse and convict innocent Americans, seems this tragedy didn’t teach you anything at all.

          • JeffH

            Well bob, after reading “months” of your negative views of the Tea Party, I say it is you who is being “near sighted and self-righteous”.

            Although you choose not to play the “tit for tat” game, I challenge you to provide the evidence of these so called “Tea Party” members arrests? After searching for that evidence myself, all I can find is the self-indulgent accusations by the liberal leftist media(I do love the labels) and not one shred of proof.

          • JeffH

            Oh bob, thought I’d note that this comment by you is something I would expect from eddie…you’ve really lowered your standards today.

            “………. my posting represents what many American are thinking today, leaving you to live with it, flop around all you wish and it won’t change a thing.”

            Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

          • Doug

            You got to excuse Bob Wire he has something up his rump and it does not rhyme with dump but with click! Also funny how that Demorat Sherrif did nothing about this Left wacko with all the treats he made well before, and the fact he hated the congresswoman years before the Tea Party started. Oh and it just a funny think his momma work for the county. Hmmmm maybe we should put his mommy and the sheriff in jail and find them quilty for helping commit this crime?

          • kate8

            JeffH – Last night Carole Howell posted that the two newly elected conservative reps from AZ had resigned. I can find nothing to support this. Have you seen anything?

            BTW, she challenged me to present ONE leftist comment that was as bad as something Rush had said (in obvious jest). I posted your list from the day before. She still hasn’t responded.

            Your informative posts are so very useful. Thanks.

          • Vicki

            Kate8 writes:
            “Last night Carole Howell posted that the two newly elected conservative reps from AZ had resigned.”

            You didn’t really bother to look it up did you? By here own posts here she is a liberal. She offered no link to her wild assertion ergo she was lying.

          • JUKEBOX

            You are right, it won’t change the fact that you cannot give one name.

          • JeffH

            kate8, Vicki and JUKEBOX…it’s always the same from these hacks…We’ve “howelled” at some of Carol’s unfounded assertions in the past but like all of good little liberals she went “bye, bye”.

          • eddie47d

            I get a belly full of laughs from you Jeff. Did they let you out of the insane asylum last night.What time do you have to check back in?

          • JeffH

            eddie, all you have in your meaningless little arsenal of tricks are your feeble attempts at sounding witty. You are a childish “dim-wit” which shows in every comment you post…of course if you ever decided to refute anybodies comments you could but the real fact of the matter is that you can’t, won’t and never will. Eddie, in layman’s term, you’re a coward that displays a 6 year olds mentality. The only mockery here is you, eddie!

          • eddie47d

            To borrow a childish phrase from you; Blah,Blah,Blah. Now go to sleep it sounds like you need lots of it. Crabby old goat!

          • JeffH

            Hey dummy, you can’t even get it right…it’s bah, bah, bah you liberal loon!

        • bob wire

          So you, or the Tea Party is completely without guilt?

          I call that being very self righteous.

          My summary statement stands.

          “I’m not saying the Tea Party is guilty but “innocent” would not begin to apply.

          You are not suppose to like it. ~ but hear it.

          Now if The Tea Party had stayed out of Arizona’s business and not projected it’s will and political agenda though all the many means at it’s disposal for several years, I could not make such a claim.

          But as the history is indeed there, all the lacking in civility to down right malicious, threatening talk, organized and systematic disruption of town hall meeting and media blitz.

          The Tea Party has painted it’s self in a corner with this event.

          • Vicki

            bob wire says:
            “So you, or the Tea Party is completely without guilt?

            I call that being very self righteous.”

            I call it being factual.

            bob wire says: “My summary statement stands.

            “I’m not saying the Tea Party is guilty but “innocent” would not begin to apply.”

            Your summary statement has no substance to stand on so it can not possibly “stand”. Even the most basic use of English finds that the Tea Party is, in fact, completely innocent.

            ————————–
            1a : free from guilt or sin especially through lack of knowledge of evil : blameless
            b : harmless in effect or intention ; also : candid
            c : free from legal guilt or fault; also : lawful
            http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innocent
            _______________________

          • bob wire

            evidently you wouldn’t know “substance” unless in came down on you like cinder blocks Vicky.

            That I say to all that will listen, the Tea Party is not guilty of this heinous act, is NOT enough for you?

            Well I’m sorry sister, that’s as much as the Tea Party can expect of me.

            I’ve discussed substance already, and see no need of going over it again just for your benefit. So you didn’t read it or just refused to consider it.

            At a population of only 1,020,200 as of July 1, 2009, Tucson ranked as the 32nd largest city and 52nd largest metropolitan area in the United States. It is the largest city in southern Arizona and the second largest in the state after Phoenix.

            And it was this state of Arizona, the Tea Party choice to preview the lacking of Federal Government and project the evils and pit falls of LIBERAL socialism, if it meant the taking up of arms.

            Member’s have stated hundreds of times out right, that the “LIBERALS” were cramming things down the people throats, the “LIBERALS” where destroying America. That it was time to arm yourselves and defend liberty!

            FOR TWO YEARS!!!! this has been going on.

            and the Tea Party is now somehow ~ “innocent”?

            Now I know, it not everyone in the TEA Party, most are very civil but they condone those who are not! They rarely call them down or ask them to correct their flaring suggestively threaten posture. A militant metaphor has been adopted and became the norm and widely used.

            Lock and load, a military term that never really made much sense , Perhaps “load & lock” ~ To lock before you load always took me back. ~ “Keep your power dry” I think we are far beyond black power and flint these days. Arm yourselves! 2nd amendment solutions. The Fed is coming to get your guns, NATO is camped out at a secret location and planing a invasion, New World Order. on and on it goes.

            This kind of talk is very dangerous when used so loosely and so often, by what children would consider adults.

            This selling of “FEAR” is unique to the GOP and their conservative spin-offs. It always has been, for as long as I’ve been paying attention. It’s always been “We must do this or terrible things will happen!” with conservatives. FEAR is used at every opportunity, because it works! And as long as it works, they will embellish every issue possible to prey on the fear factor.

            This sick child didn’t spend the last two years in some kind of media vacuum, I can promise you that.

            I don’t have to be hit over the head to know substance, I don’t have to prove I’m right or that you are wrong.

            Okay, we got some dead people today and the target was a US LIBERAL Congresswoman that won’t never be the same.

            For that, the Tea Party only get a “not guilty” from me and you need to feel grateful.

          • Vicki

            bob wire says:
            “evidently you wouldn’t know “substance” unless in came down on you like cinder blocks Vicky. ”

            Ad Hominem attack on Vicki. Vicki (me) wins. Well actually I had already won the argument but it is fun to point out silly arguments by the left.

          • eddie47d

            Vickie comes across as a prison guard with menacing thoughts and wants to stiffle anyone who doesn’t see things her way.Don’t you dare cross that yellow line Bob for I wouldn’t want to mess with that club in her hands.

          • bob wire

            Innocent, maybe used in many ways and offer several meanings; Vicky you are suggesting the following;

            People who lack the mental capacity to understand the nature of their acts may be regarded as innocent regardless of their behavior. From this meaning comes the term innocent to refer to a child under the age of reason, or a person, of any age, who is severely mentally disabled.

            I wasn’t using it in such a context, but if you insist maybe it does apply in your particular case Vicky.

            Seems Billy O’really is attacking the sheriff in much the same way tonight. ~ If a known threat exist as the Sheriff suggest, why wasn’t someone there? ~ Good Question.

            I loves Fox take on things tonight, ~ “how bad has this hurt the left”?

            I’m left to say one democratic vote! How else might it be seen?

            So I suppose this calls for some celebration for the right tonight?

            Is that where this is going? I think it’s a very sick view.

            Now here comes Glenn Beck saying this don’t hurt the left. Hmm? okay?

          • Vicki

            eddie47d says:
            “Vickie comes across as a prison guard with menacing thoughts and wants to stiffle anyone who doesn’t see things her way.Don’t you dare cross that yellow line Bob for I wouldn’t want to mess with that club in her hands.”

            Ad hominem attack against Vicki (me). Since Vicki had already won the argument the attack is irrelevant.

          • Vicki

            bob wire says:
            “Innocent, maybe used in many ways and offer several meanings; ”

            Which I thoughtfully included in my argument. Complete with a cite and a link to the source. The Dictionary. My assertion stands. Your summary statement is in error.

      • http://yahoo richard

        Bob are you blind,ignorant, or just stupid?

        • Eric Bischoff

          Truth hurts doesn’t it. Well said Bob.

          • Buzz75

            Eric, since you and Bob are on the same page, can you tell me the Tea party members who have been arrested and charged with murder, as is claimed by your buddy Bob?

        • independant thinker

          How about all three.

          • bob wire

            independent thinker ~ oxymoron is the first thing that come to mind, I’ve been wanting to tell you that for some time now. Thanks for the opportunity.

            there is little independence to be found in your thoughts, more of a parrot really.

          • Vicki

            Bob wire writes:
            “independent thinker ~ oxymoron is the first thing that come to mind, I’ve been wanting to tell you that for some time now. Thanks for the opportunity. ”

            Shame you wasted the opportunity. Neither Independent thinkers comment nor the comment he was responding to qualify.
            http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oxymoron

          • bob wire

            An oxymoron (plural oxymorons or oxymora) (from Greek ὀξύμωρον, “sharp dull”) is a figure of speech that combines contradictory terms.

            I find it applies and most fitting to “independent thinker” Vicky

            I see how the right seems to be always correct ~ because they say so!

            Oh! and they are a majority too! I guess because they make the most noise.

          • bob wire

            Here is a perfect example of the hate, THAT SOME HARBOR, and think that it’s okay to openly display hate and threaten with violence.

            He is saying he don’t need a gun when he GOES to a fight!

            He is openly admitting two things ; he has a predisposition to GO to (seek) a fight and to be very violent. ~

            “Doug says:
            January 14, 2011 at 12:47 pm

            Thats why I never bring a gun to a fight I bring myself I love to see the eyes roll back into the head as beat the crap out liberal pukes like you. ”

            This is the element the Tea Party must purge itself of. Dougie is a huge liability.

            I don’t see or hear anyone calling Dougie down for this inflammatory remark. So that leave me to think either the rest of you just don’t care, don’t want to get involved or you share his views.

            Houston, we got a problem.

        • David Warheit

          Let’s analyze Richard’s remark. He uses only 8 words but makes therein two mistakes: 1) there is no comma after “Bob” & 2) there is no space after “blind”. One mistake every four words earns YOU the title of stupid methinks.

          Now, as to content. You call Bob blind, ignorant and stupid. Obviously you can SEE absolutely no connection between hateful language on the right, such as “2d amendment rights” or “lock and load”, or hateful imagery, such as bull’s eyes over Congresswoman Giffords’ district, or behavior such as her Republican opponent who brought guns to his rallies. This lack of sight obviously makes YOU blind as well as ignorant. Even after all this is explained to you nicely, you still don’t get it, which makes YOU stupid.

          I suggest that you look to Gabby Giffords for lessons. There is more eloquence in her squeezing of someone’s hand or in the slight hand or eye movements of which she is now capable than in all that you have had to say. Indeed, we all can learn from her. Sober contemplation of her frightening condition and the death and destruction wrought by the shooter will bring any reasonable person to the realization that there are terrible consequences to hate speech and action. Even you, Richard, potentially have that grace within you. Please look for it.

          • Doug

            Thats why I never bring a gun to a fight I bring myself I love to see the eyes roll back into the head as beat the crap out liberal pukes like you. Hey go back to college and get your money back along with high school and learn what the Constitution states about your rights. And it you don’t like that there many crappy countries to move my I suggest the Middle East!

          • JeffH

            David Warheit, why does it not surprise me that you would attack someones grammar and then call them stupid…you are clearly a fine example of the “deaf and dumb”, especially where hate rhetoric is concerned.

            Keep some powder dry and don’t forget to “Lock N Load”.

          • JeffH

            David Warheit, I’ll give you some prime examples of the real hate of the left, if you care to see it…You need to be reminded.
            Madonna bashing Sarah Palin and shrieking “I will kick her ass”
            Sandra Bernhard bashing Sarah Palin and cursing her head off with hate warping her crazed face. the Democratic Underground indulging in name-calling the MSM ignores: The Democratic Underground’s latest thread for commenters to come up with nicknames and posters to slime GOP Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin — and then to “spread [them] all over the ‘net.” There are now nearly 100 filthy, hate-filled responses and counting. Among the “nicer” entries: “Cruella,” “Gidget,” “Governor Jesus Camp,” “VPILF,” “Fertilla the Huntress,” “Iditabroad,” and “KILLER PYSCHO FUNDIE BITCH FROM HELL!!”
            ANTI-TEA PARTY/GOP/CONSERVATIVE HATE
            Unhinged Perriello/Obama supporter rips up GOP signs, screams “You f**king House n-gg-r white-black bitch!” deranged left-wing photographer Jill Greenberg sabotaging an Atlantic magazine photo shoot of John McCain and defacing the pictures on her website.

            Gems from Journolist…“F—ing Nascar retards…”; “Sarah Spitz, producer of the KCRW public radio program ‘Left, Right and Center,’ which is heard on a number of NPR stations across the country, wrote on JournoList that if she witnessed Limbaugh dying of a heart attack, she would ‘laugh loudly like a maniac and watch his eyes bug out.’”
            “I hope Glenn Beck kills himself”
            New Black Panther Party block party rap: “bang for freedom,” “put the bang right into a cracker’s face,” and if you’re going to bang, bang for black power… hang a cracker [unintelligible] . . .if you’re going to bang, bang on the white devil. . . . burying him near the river bank with the right shovel. . . . community revolution in progress…. banging for crackers to go to hell, we don’t need em”
            The Liberal Terror Attack on 2008 GOP Convention that was Thwarted.

            The insane rage of the same-sex marriage mob. anti-Prop. 8 organizers have targeted Mormon, Catholic, and evangelical churches. Sentiments like this one, found on the anti-Prop.8 website “JoeMyGod,” are common across the left-wing blogosphere: “Burn their f—ing churches to the ground, and then tax the charred timbers.” Thousands of gay-rights demonstrators stood in front of the Mormon temple in Los Angeles shouting “Mormon scum.” The Mormon headquarters in Salt Lake City received threatening letters containing an unidentified powder. Religious-bashing protesters filled with hate decried the “hate” at Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church in Orange County, Calif. Vandals defaced the Calvary Chapel in Chino Hills, Calif., because church members had collected Prop. 8 petitions. One worshiper’s car was keyed with the slogans “Gay sex is love” and “SEX;” another car’s antenna and windshield wipers were broken.

            I suppose you’ve forgotten all the hate and death talk directed at Bush and Cheney too.

          • DaveH

            The grammar police have arrived.
            Who will police the grammar police?
            David says “Now, as to content.”. That’s your idea of a sentence, David?
            David says “2d amendment rights”. Somebody has talked about 2-dimensional rights? Or did you mean 2nd amendment?
            Petty? Yes, indeed. I was doing my best imitation of a Liberal.

            Do you think dissing the spelling and grammar of others somehow makes you superior, David?

          • JUKEBOX

            Did you fail to see the Daily Kos target ad on Giffords in 2008, two years before Paln’s? Oh, I forgot, liberal hate ads don’t count.

          • Karolyn

            Neither left nor right should be painted with the same broad brush used to paint radicals in general. For the most part, both sides are law-abiding Americans who don’t write hate songs and make asses out of themselves.

      • Laurie, Haslet, TX

        Why do you ASSUME the TEA PARTY is wrong? Because the LEFT told you so?

        We promote the return to the CONSTUTITION, limited government, limited taxes and our GOD GIVEN RIGHTS. We are not violent – we are not haters.

        • bob wire

          Laurie, I understand that you are not and you represent a majority I can only be left to hope.

          • Vicki

            Don’t just hope, join. Help guide the tea party in its quest to restore freedom and justice (real not social) for all.

      • DaveH

        Any Liberal can spout unsupported and fabricated facts, Bob Wire. How about breaking that mold and providing some references to your accusations?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Hey bonehead, what is the matter with you? Are you that far gone? Here are the facts. The right represents God, Family and Country. The left represents satan, murdering babies, promoting perverted sex upon the same sex, and elevating Muslims to prominance so that one day they can impose Shariah law on all of us. And you support the left? Your one sad cookie pal. Where did you ever get off track at? You and those that think like you are destroying this country. Shame on you sir, shame on you.

        • geller

          Did anyone watch the Glen show today? The right says they stand for God, and Country. REALLY! I don’t know who you’re God is but mine would never be for a hate monger like Glen telling people to shot other people in the “fore head”. My God is a giving and loving God. He would never allow people to worship their money the way the right does. Republicans are greedy money lovers that would never help a poor person. They are for big business and corporations. That’s why you want to stop health care. A poor family might get some well deserved help. As for country, Republicans are proud when they can jump on other countrys for no reason. Not to mention the thousands of deaths they cause from there trumped up wars. An buy the way Mr. Wood Chip, Lee Oswald did not shoot Kennedy. I was there. I was on the grassy knoll. Thats where the shots came from.

      • Doug

        That funny Pam Anderson (bob wire) the Southern Border Sheriff association thinks the Dupnik is F*** Idiot and most law enforcement does not think the Tea Partiers are a threat stop telling lies. Obama does not know how to follow law period. How lucky we are to have a president that use to be a drug dealer in high school in Hawaii. And by the way the hospital Allien contends he was born in I was and guess what I have my birth certificate.

        • JUKEBOX

          Doug, remember that Obama practiced law in the birthplace of political corruption, Chicago.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Sorry to inform you Bobby boy, but Tea Party and republicans were not her enemies. You see, politicians are politicians. They sit down at dinners together, spend our money together, and determine our fate together. They just go about it different ways mostly. But they would never seek physical harm to each other. It doesnt work that way in Washington Bob. You should know that by now. This whack job formulated to attack her 4 years earlier, because something was wrong in his head Bob. He targeted her 4 years ago, you know, before anyone even knew who Sarah Palin was. I would say this guy most likely wouldnt even know about no map with a target on it if you asked him. I know I pay attention to politics, and I never heard of it. It had nothing to do with it, but some sad sack democrats, in their fear of Sarah Palin and the other side, did what they do best, go into attack mode and use anything for political gain, and that is digusting and disturbing at the least. Vile, vile, behavior, and if you cant see that, then you sir, are a vile digusting human being. Shame on you.

        • who cares

          Sarah Palin added the fuel to help him over the edge just look at her. This guy was a right wing nut.

    • JRC

      Chip, the right owns this period. All denying, pointing fingers away from you does nothing but estrange the average voter even more. It would have been a huge win for the right if the responsible parties would have said..we are sorry, we have used inappropriate rhetoric and will make an effort not to do it again. This would have resulted in many an undecided voter or many independent voters to come over to your site. Unfortunately for the right, you all have chosen to do the typical denial and have turned up rhetoric with the infamous “”blood libel”” nonsense by your idol.
      This could be very well the death call for the republicans and tea party for the 2012 elections.

      • JUKEBOX

        I wonder if you have read what the liberal, jewish Professor Alan Dershowitz has said about “BLOOD LIBEL”. You need to read this before you speak.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And if you really think that, you might as well move to Iran and live with those who think like you do. 2012 is going to be a landslide pal, and the Obamination and the rest of his band of muslim men are going to the curb, just as over 60 of them have already done. All this stupid crap the left is pulling, because they are so afraid of Sarah Palin that they will stoop to new lows everyday in an attempt to unfairly smear her, will promote her to new popularity with the common people. We all see you on the left for the lying conniving bunch of leeches that you are. You did wrong attacking her, and she pointed it out, and now you are calling her the hater? You really think us Americans are that stupid that we arent seeing you liberals expose yourselves for who you really are? Your like an open book, and that is why your days are numbered. A bunch of attack driven crybaby losers, and youve been exposed, by your own stupidity, time and time again. And now your going overboard in your desperation, and its time for you all to leave. You will be voted out in 2012. Count on it son.

      • DaveH

        It would be a huge win for the left if they would just admit that they are thieves and thugs (both mentally and physically) who want to force their every pet pieve and perversion down the rest of our collective throats, as well as help themselves to our hard earned money as if it were their own.

        • DaveH

          Before David gets here to police my spelling — I meant “pet peeve”.

      • Vicki

        JRC writes:
        “we have used inappropriate rhetoric and will make an effort not to do it again.”

        from the list in the following link what rhetoric do you find inappropriate?

        http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

    • Sandra

      It makes me feel like crying to see what’s happening to this country. It feels like a huge battle of evil vs. good is afoot, with evil doing its utmost to trample out truth and freedom and the light this country has represented. We are in the fight of our lives and I wonder how many patriotic Americans will end up paying dearly for truth and liberty.

      • HFlashman

        Sandra…define what you see as a “patriotic American’.. because patriotism sure s heck isn’t represented by many on this board.

        • kate8

          flash – “I’m sick and tired of hearing that if we disagree with this administration we are somehow not patriotic.

          “We’re Americans, and we have the RIGHT to question or disagree with ANY administration…”

          Sound familiar?

          What say you?

          • HFlashman

            Kate…I say what I stated before…you’re a few fries short of a Big Mac Deal.

          • DaveH

            Flashdunce,
            The Enterprise could operate freely inside the vast space between your ears.

          • kate8

            flash – Just as I thought.

            When you have no argument, ridicule.

          • love

            HFlashman why do you have to attack peoples character, blame others of doing it then you do the same thing? short fries as in not intelligent? Please respect others as you would like to be respected.

          • Vicki

            HFlashman says:
            “Kate…I say what I stated before…you’re a few fries short of a Big Mac Deal.”

            Argumentum Ad Hominem. No facts. No cites. No ideas. How HFlashman of you.

          • Karolyn

            I haven’t heard anybody saying that Americans can’t stand up for their rights and disagree with anybody else. The choice of words is what’s at issue in my view.

        • Vicki

          HFlashman says:
          “Sandra…define what you see as a “patriotic American’.. because patriotism sure s heck isn’t represented by many on this board.”

          Proof by bald assertion.

          The fact.
          ——————————————-
          “pa·tri·ot·ism
          noun
          ˈpā-trē-ə-ˌti-zəm, chiefly British ˈpa-
          Definition of PATRIOTISM
          : love for or devotion to one’s country

          http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/patriotism
          —————————————————

          I assert that MOST of the people on this board display patriotism. Including those who seem to be on the left.

          I therefore conclude that HFlashman (as usual) is in err.

        • kate8

          Karolyn – If you had read what we were responding to, you’d know that flash was saying that we on the right are not patriotic.

          In case you don’t know the quote, I was quoting a rant by Hillary when Bush was in office.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Note to flushman: Patriotic – anyone who votes against a democrat. There you go big boy.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        It is a battle of good versus evil Sandra. God has told us in his word, that our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against evil forces even in the heavenly realms.(Ephesians 6:12). When a certain party whom I wont name, Ill let you figure it out, totally embraces murdering babies in their mothers wombs, and honoring same sex perversions, need I point out that these are things of satan, and not of God? And there is a party that fully embraces these things as normal. And now they are even using our money to murder babies in the womb in third world countries. And they think this is good. It is straight out of the bowels of satan himself. There is your evil that we are battling. And the other side has fallen to greed, to try to keep up with the greed from this side. I hope someday soon they can find their way back. God has told us to elect Godly men to positions of authority, and we have failed to do this, and this is the mess we are in. These men have made money their God, and man cannot serve both God and money. That is why we must elect Godly men, who will put others first, we the people. That is how this country was set up and we have gotten away from that. Evil is winning out, and one party has totally embraced it and is ruled by it. It is clear to all who see.

    • http://yahoo Bob

      Two minutes, after the shooting, the repub new station, fox news, had a conservative saying republicans, were not responsible, for the shooting. Two freaking minutes, and you say righties don’t hate? Palin scrubbed her web site, after the shooting, but let a righty say killing the little girl, was good, because it prevented her from growing up, and doing something good, for the progressive cause. http://obamalondon.blogspot.com/2011/01/inexplicable-edits-on-sarah-palins.html

      Guns don’t kill people, fox news does!

      • http://n.cates@cox.net Norman F.

        Bob, two minutes after the shooting the gun smoke was still rising, the crowd was seeking shelter, and an innocent little girl lay dying. Were you listening to Fox news, ignoring the terror and suffering of the crowd? Shame and double shame on you for caring more for an opportunity to place blame on anyone other than the shooter, when you should have been praying foe those innocents.

        • kate8

          Norman F. – Amen to that.

          When I first heard, my first thought was, “Oh my God, no.” My second thought was horror for those involved.

          I have to admit, though, that my next thought was that Obama was sending a message to Congress and the Judiciary of what happens when people defy him and his agenda, and how the Left would use this to force the new Congress to back away from their mandate from the people and ram through more of the leftist assault on freedom.

          Let’s see if I’m right on this. I still believe I am.

      • JoMama

        Bob –
        It goes like this:

        Guns don’t kill people – PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE (with guns, knives, crow bars, their bare hands, with bare feet, & swords).
        You see, Boob, there HAS to be some source of force behind it or it doesn’t work. A gun cannot work if there is nobody pulling the trigger.

        You silly thing.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Your a lying ass Bob, and your words attest to it. Shame on you. How do you live with such hate controlling your life? How?

      • DaveH

        Duh, let me think. What would make Fox News behave so defensively? How could they possibly know the Left-Wing haters would blame them? Duh.

        • Vicki

          Maybe because Fox News used their Creator given ability to stereotype the prior behavior of the liberal media. Bothering to remember and learn from history Fox wisely realized that the liberal media and maybe most of the MSM (perhaps I repeat myself :) ) would try and blame that acts of a madman on conservatives. How mean of Fox to dare and profile.

      • JUKEBOX

        You would play hell proving that ignorant statement in any court, with the possible exception of one with Eric Holder as the judge.

      • Jerry

        Boob, Your teaspoonful of intelligence has finally ran out. Now you are gasping and slobbering trying to say something intelligent–to no avail. Your idiotic quote: ” Guns don’t kill people, Fox News kills people”, shows your ignorance. You should now exit this discussion. You are not intelligent enough to continue!

    • Buzz Breslin

      I find it very difficult to believe that people can take K.O. seriously. Of course, I find it hard to believe that people followed Stalin and Hitler, too. Chris Matthews has made my skin get a funny feeling lately. Maybe he should also keep his yap closed.

      • DaveH

        Buzz,
        I don’t find it hard to believe at all that people would follow Hitler and Stalin. It is easy to adopt immorality and desire things that are not rightfully ours. The hard thing is to rise above that human nature and live by a moral code.
        In that respect, Liberals have the upper hand. Hopes and Dreams are a much easier sell than reality. But the reality is that taking from the producers and giving to the non-producers (if it even gets to them) results in the producers slacking off. Then we have less goods and services, the economy suffers, and the non-producers vote for even more taking until the economy is eventually destroyed. History is replete with examples of countries which have fallen prey to the bankrupt policies of the left.
        But, as we can all see, those Hopers and Dreamers are so hooked on OPM that even the reality of experience doesn’t sway them.
        As Margaret Thatcher so eloquently noted “The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money’.

        • Vicki

          DaveH writes:
          “Hopes and Dreams are a much easier sell than reality. ”

          That’s cause they are so easy. You should see the house I live in in my dreams. Of course in RL (thats Real Life for the non-geek :) its HARD WORK to have a house as nice.

        • kate8

          DaveH – I found this, called “Declared Communist Goals in the US”

          This is the plan they laid out decades ago, which they have now accomplished.

          You Lefty’s should read this as well. You will see which side was used to bring their goals into reality in America. It couldn’t be any more clear.

          http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm

          • DaveH

            I’ve been watching this show called “Gold Rush Alaska”, Kate. About a half-dozen guys got together and pooled their remaining savings to buy big equipment and try to make a killing in gold mining. The series is documenting the hard work and risk (personal and financial) they have endured.
            It ought to be required viewing for the whiney Liberals who don’t want to be anywhere near work and risk until others have made it big. Then they’re right there to share.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, you’re right about that. It’s a pretty good show and says a lot about what it takes to even try to succeed.

          • Vicki

            I have seen ads for the show but not seen it yet. It does raise the question “How much of the money the show makes on these guys suffering goes to these guys?”

          • JeffH

            Vicki, I would hope it would cover most of the investments made by the cast. Of course the more successful the show the more money they can make Have you ever seen American Chopper…they went from a small garage based company to a worldwide icon and every employee that appears has to get something. The main characters, the Teutuls all have done very well by the show.

          • Vicki

            Good to know and without government sponsorship (Crony Capitalism) too.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          People who have lost their hope in life follow whack jobs like Olbermann and Matthews. Just like those that followed Jim Jones and David Koresh and that Marshall something guy, they all lost their hope, and were looking the the wrong place for something of substance to grasp on to. The left preys on people like this, and I find many of their leaders, Barney Frank, Joe Biden, Ted Kennedy before he passed, Robert Byrd the same, Tom Daschle, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Al Gore, Howard Dean, Chuck Shummer, Charles Rangel, and many many more, are very, very unstable people. Their ideals are not normal, and they are all strange bedfellows to say the least. Something is wrong with their medula oblangata’s, that is for sure.

    • mr. myth

      Mr Wood,

      I read of people on this site all the time ‘calling others to arms’ in some fashion, just as you did with your closing statment,”until next time, keep some powder dry”.

      And you refer to this guy as a “deranged psychopath”. I don’t get it!

      Believe me, I’m not supporting what this guy did in any way, but what are WE going do or say when people start going after any body that they think is trying to strip our rights and freedoms,(which has been happening for sometime now).

      People can’t call others to arms for a cause and then drag them over coals for doing it. These are very serious times. Our Country is on the brink of collapse. People are going to do crazy things and react in ways others can’t comprehend. Sad as it is, this may be the beginning of the public uprising that some people are predicting and in some cases, calling for and wanting.

      But, the thing that worries me the most is people like this guy Robert Brady from PA. promoting legislation to make any criticism of elected officials a Federal crime. This is the first I’ve heard about it and IT SCARES THE CRAP OUT OF ME!

      This should be the story of the day!

      People that think like that ARE NOT Americans and should be immediately thrown out of office and investigated.

      There is no doubt in my mind that WE have elected officials in office
      that want this Country and way of life to fail.

      For as great as this country was and still is to some degree, our present condition and looming demise, or collapse if you will, CANNOT be an oversite. We have an over abundance of brilliant minds working every hour of every day to insure and protect our way of life. To make things better for generations to come. To…OOPS! Sorry, I drifted off to some fantasy land I dream about on occasion.

      • DaveH

        There’s a big difference, mr. myth, between protecting ourselves and our property, and going on a random shooting spree.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          The liberals dont see that Dave, because that is the truth, and they have continually rejected the truth so much, that when it is stated, it becomes so foreign to them, that they cannot recognize it for what it is, the absolute truth. One of the first things they did, after they started wrongly attacking Sarah Palin and the Tea Party for political gain, was starting to stoke the fire for gun control again. Where as, in reality, had any of these political figures been armed, they could have snuffed this guy before half as many folks were shot. Now that sir, is the God’s honest truth about gun control. If any law abiding citizen there was packing, it would have been over a lot quicker, with a lot less pain to all. But these are just the facts, and the liberals dont want to hear the facts. They want agenda.

      • Vicki

        mr. myth says:
        “I read of people on this site all the time ‘calling others to arms’ in some fashion, just as you did with your closing statment,”until next time, keep some powder dry”.

        Do you know the difference between being prepared and being psychotic?

        mr. myth: “And you refer to this guy as a “deranged psychopath”. I don’t get it!”

        I assert that you, evidenced by your own words, do not.

      • Vicki

        Sorry hit submit too soon. Continuing.

        mr myth says:
        “But, the thing that worries me the most is people like this guy Robert Brady from PA. promoting legislation to make any criticism of elected officials a Federal crime. This is the first I’ve heard about it and IT SCARES THE CRAP OUT OF ME!”

        Yet here you clearly show that you understand the dangers of Big Government and you are rightly afraid. My advice to you is to use the gifts your Creator gave you. Use the Soap box, Ballot box and Jury Box wisely. Pray that you never need the forth box.

        And lastly follow Chips advice and keep some powder dry.

        • Hank, MO

          Vicki, I have read several of your posts on here and wanted to tell you that your arguments are consistently cogent and on point. Your spelling, in a few cases, could use some improvement, but that seems to be a pretty common affliction. At least you make your point well and without a lot of malarkey thrown in to make you seem intelligent as opposed to actually being intelligent. I suppose it doesn’t hurt that I agree with most of what you say and think that you hold your end of the debate very well. However, you waste your time and energy debating the likes of Bob the boob or HFlashGordonman. Such guys just want to pretend to know something and show off what they think of as their amazing command of the language. Your use of it is much more effective than all of their verbosity. Keep the faith– and some powder dry!

          • libertytrain

            I have to agree with your assessment.

          • Vicki

            Hank, MO says:
            “Vicki, I have read several of your posts on here and wanted to tell you that your arguments are consistently cogent and on point. Your spelling, in a few cases, could use some improvement, but that seems to be a pretty common affliction.”

            Thank you Hank. On the spelling issue I do have a spell checker here but it sometimes misses things like “here” when I meant “her”. Sometimes the person I am quoting has misspelled but I don’t correct those most of the time. And spelling was not one of my strong points in school :) I will try harder to watch for the spell-check warnings.

            Hank: “At least you make your point well and without a lot of malarkey thrown in to make you seem intelligent as opposed to actually being intelligent.”

            I’m lazy so try to keep my comments short. I do not always succeed :)

            Hank: “However, you waste your time and energy debating the likes of Bob the boob or HFlashGordonman.”

            I respond to them for several reasons.
            1. To keep their propaganda from brainwashing other readers (Been there. Broke the programming. Still feel the tug of “common sense gun control” type arguments.)
            2. To keep in practice
            3. To learn new things. Things that are obvious to me now like the Constitution grants no rights. The USA is a Constitutionally Limited Republic and not a democracy.
            4. Kinda related to 3. To become wiser by learning from the mistakes of others.

            Hank: “Keep the faith– and some powder dry!”

            Will do. We are prepared not psychotic :)

          • DaveH

            Don’t worry about your spelling, Vicki. Your mind is what we admire.

          • Vicki

            DaveH says:
            “Don’t worry about your spelling, Vicki. Your mind is what we admire.”

            Just think how much more admirable if I could spell and cook too :)

      • JeffH

        Mr.Myths, have you ever heard of a metaphor?

        “keep some powder dry, take back our country, lock n load” are examples of metaphors as is “target” Joe The Plumber for defeat in the 10th District of Timbucktoo.

        metaphor-definition
        -implicit comparison: the use to describe somebody or something of a word or phrase that is not meant literally but by…
        - figurative language: all language that involves figures of speech or symbolism and does not literally represent real …
        - symbol: one thing used or considered to represent another.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      The whole climate of political hate was authored by Bill and Hillary Clinton, and grew from there. It originated from white trash with money, Hill and Billy. Their attack machine, and spin monster machine, where they would attack someone, and when that person defended themselves, they used the liberal press to attack and label that person. The left has perfected the attack, and even now, as this demented monster went shooting at people, and had Mrs. Giffords name written down 4 years ago, before the world even knew who Sarah Palin was, and the left see’s fit to blame Palin, Beck, and soon they will expand to Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Hannity, Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, the usual suspects to the left. They have to go after Sarah Palin and try to discredit and give her a bad name, because they are scared to death of her, as they know they have no one that can stand up to her on record and achievement. They slander her at every chance they get. Heck, they even hired 200 goons to go to Alaska to find dirt on her, and they couldnt find any. So they lied and manufactured things, which she was forced to spend a million dollars in legal fee’s to fight, and these folks should have been jailed for it. And yet they see fit to call for someone to shoot and kill Sarah Palin, out and out are calling for this, and that seems alright to them. Where is the media outcry? The same ones, Katie Couric, that brings up over and over the targets on districts that the republicans targeted. You Katie Couric are a sick woman, full of hate and lies, and you have been exposed over and over and should be removed immediately from the network. But they will give you enough rope, and you will hang yourself with it one day. People like you always fall, because your a lying little twit. Both sides target different districts, different cities, different states. A target is a target. We are targeting Obama to get beat in 2012. Does that mean we are trying to get someone to shoot him? No, it does not. But this left wing liberal media expousing their hate everywhere, then pointing fingers and calling the people they are hating on haters. I just dont get how they can get away with it. Please people, turn their channels off and show them they cant get away with it. Everytime you see Katie Couric, Keith Olberman, Big Mouth Matthews and the like come on, turn the channel. That is how you send the message to them. Olberman sucked before Sports Center booted his worthless butt out, and he is even worse today. He is the saddest most angriest man I know. I dont believe in violence, but I would like to punch his stinking lights out, because frankly, a totally biased liar like him, need someone to straighten him out, because he is crooked as hell.

      • Jerry

        Right on Beberoni,that was a very good post. Remember Katie Couric replaced another liar–Dan Rather. CBS had to fire him for lying, so now ,what will they do with Couric? Can they find no honest anchors? If they spend a little money, maybe they could entice someone from Fox. By the way, you left out Ronald Reagen, the Libs are still blaming him falsely. I’m waiting for them to blame him for these shootings!

        • Hank, MO

          Jerry– I agree completely. What will we do with Couric? Seems obvious. We must elect another George Bush so she can make up lies about him like Rather did and force her network to fire her. Birds of a feather…

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Im sure at this point, they would rather figure out how to blame Bush/Cheney/Halliburton, like they do for everything else they do.

    • kate8

      Absolutely great article. Not much more to add to that.

      We are in a fight for our nation and our lives. The best weapon ever is the sword of Truth.

    • Peter

      Jared Loughner and his ilk have officially succeeded, just like osama bin laden has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. They have both divided and conquered the USA by simple, unprovoked acts of extreme violence, resulting in people blaming each other and even hating their neighbors. This in the land of the free and the home of the brave! Bin laden has sent the USA running like scared rabbits, looking over every shoulder and seeing a terrorist in every teapot, instead of acting like the home of the brave! The US has spent so much on this unwinnable war against terrorism, it is functionally bankrupt, and guess who holds the mortgage? Communist China. Folks, stop blaming and hating each other, and focus on the real enemies, those who would take the USA by economic stealth. Loughner is a loony, that much is known, yet everyone has taken sides and is almost ready to don the dark blue or the gray and buy some dry powder! Too much blunderbuss, not enough common sense and focus.

    • American Patriot

      Fabled enemies See for yourself. Wake up AMERICA! Here is the proof. How soon we all forget.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28tE0fKpISM&feature=channel

  • Jeremy Leochner

    Mr Wood, aside from people who are quick to act, slow to think people are not trying to blame the shooting in Tuscon on conservatives. But even if they were the way you are framing your argument and talking about this debate is no better. Your criticising liberals and the left for smearing conservatives but by your own words and tone your smearing the left. I believe the murderer in Tuscon was a deranged pyschopath with no real coherent ideology. I believe rhetoric and bile from both sides of the political spectrum may have helped contribute though they weren’t neccessarily the primary cause. That being said rhetoric is something from everyone of every group and just as liberals or leftists or democrats shouldn’t use it to smear the right or conservatives so conservatives and republicans should not use rhetoric to smear those on the left. As to your final statment your right we can all survive a few more smears. The problem is smearing and name calling dosen’t get anything done and frankly it looks childish.

    • lkar

      I do not think Chip or Ben were suggesting that they do not regularily critisize and belittle the left. What they are responding to is the hypocrisy of the left. I agree, this was a lone mentally unstable person that instigated the violence. Why was the left so eager to blame Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and the Tea Party? From what I can tell, these same persons critisize and blame with facts! We can argue wether their facts are true or exaggerated, but the left had no facts about the shooter and immediately set blame. Even sheriff, of which most in that position only relay facts to the media, thought it his duty to add to the baseless accusations against the right. He is investigating a shooting, not running for office (the former I hope Tuscon voters take to heart when considering the latter).
      I appreciate someone voicing outrage at the hypocrisy of the left. I accept that the right and the left are going to be at odds on the issues and the rhetoric. But these murders were not a result of free speech!

      • Bruce D.

        I agree with you on that lkar. Also another well written article by Chip Wood. He said it all.

      • David Fields

        “Why was the left so eager to blame Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and the Tea Party?”

        How about the fact that throughout the campaign season all three used combative terms that implied physical assault rather than political on every one of the people they opposed? How about Mr. Beck implying from his “revival” that he was the Savior of Conservatism?

        Quite honestly, I have never heard such vitriol from any candidate prior to this past election, and I’ve heard a lot of mud slung from both sides. It made me embarrassed to be a Republican.

        • lkar

          So “Taliban Dan” wasn’t harsh enough for you? “They bring a knife, we will bring a gun.” Just a little to timid for you? Yet Sarah Palin “targeting” a district for a Tea party victory is viscous and “hate speech”.
          You seem a little thin skinned if you get upset over political jousting and rallying a conservative voting base. I hardly think Sarah Palin was trying to rally Democrats.
          If you are embarresed to be a Republican, the vote for someone else. Freedom of speech allows you to voice your views and freedom to vote allows you to set action to those views. This is not the “yelling fire in a movie theater” political dialog that should be silenced because the left says so!

        • Louie

          David Fields, I am ashamed for you to be a Republican also. In fact, I’m ashamed for you to be a citizen of my Country, The Good Ole USA!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I agree. Shame on David Fields.

          • JUKEBOX

            I bet he voted for Grayson.

        • Papa

          I’m not a Republican, and haven’t been since George H W Bush (a Progressive) was elected President. I’m still proud to call myself a “conservative” though and most of the “over-the-top-aggressive-attitude” comes from the LEFT, not the right!

          The LEFT is great at talking about what tremendous advocates they are on “Free Speech” and “Human Rights” until that freedom and/or right belongs to someone who opposes their political ideology, then they quickly and regularly ATTACK that individual, their integrity, their entire family and usually their sincerity. Anyone who disagrees with anything Obama proposes proposes is routinely called “Racist” and/or “Bigot” and that’s just where the vitriolic left STARTS!

          The attacks STILL haven’t stopped, even though the “FACTS” show that the Tucson Madman was anything but a “right-wing zealot,” yet you condemn those on the right who DEFEND their political leaning by pointing out that the AGGRESSIVE rhetoric on this issue began and continues from the LEFT?

          The only point you appear to have is, perhaps, on the top of your head. Glenn Beck is a totally non-violent individual, who time and again (from the very beginning) has urged his listeners to “refrain from any and all violent acts.” He extols the virtue of peaceful demonstration, Prayer and the BALLOT BOX as the proper way to “protest” the Progressive political agenda, and never hesitates to condemn the “RIGHT” as well as the left when he sees what he considers inappropriate attempts by government to control “The People” who supposedly rule in this country. How can anyone find fault with that?

          Sarah Palin is a beautiful woman, both inside and out, strong-willed who aggressively defends her political ideology. The “contempt” the left continuously expresses for her appears to stem from the fact that her “education” didn’t come from some Ivy League College and her family has no “blue ribbon pedigree” which, in the opinion of MOST Americans, makes her more like “THE PEOPLE” and her plain-spoken honesty sounds a lot more like “US” than like those who never let their minds wonder “outside the beltway” to try and discover what AMERICA really thinks about their dreams of greatness, which they expect “everyone else” to pay for! Isn’t it the TRUTH about Sarah Palin that she SCARES THE LIVER AND LIGHTS OUT OF PROGRESSIVES?

          Palin speaks our language, SOUNDS like one of us and just like Ronald Reagan, makes no bones at all about what she stands for. She doesn’t need to dissemble or duck or dodge when asked a direct question, rather she simply answers it in a few simple words, much like Ron Paul who ALSO gets nothing but ridicule from the left.

          The “Tea Party” extols the virtue of “Constitutional Government” and if you’re opposed to that, expect to be “targeted” by its supporter at some point in the future. “We The People” plan to return this country to what it was designed to be, and I really feel sorry for any who stand in our way…

          • Lastmanstanding

            Well said Papa.

          • Vigilant

            Papa,

            Absolutely a great posting! Couldn’t have said it better myself.

          • Bernard

            Very well said Papa!! I grow sicker by the minute as I read the misguided, illiterate rantings of bafoons on the left. “Never take the blame for what your are guilty of” Democrats and Liberals are so inept at seeing the “truth” they have to make up and or blame anyone that doesn’t see eye to eye with them.

          • bob wire

            “Sarah Palin is a beautiful woman, both inside and out, ”

            beauty only exist in the eye of the beholder Papa

            I know women and you need a new script for your glasses Pap’s.

            And for the record, Sarah Palin scares no one on the left,~ now she might scare some righties but only a little bit.

            I think Sarah just about out of ammo. It will be up to people like yourself to supply her with more.

            I have no doubt she will fight on as long as people give her a platform to do so.

            She had a excellent chance to prove her value and aspire to the occasion this weekend, a change few get! and she blow it. Completely blow it. Her address was full of self and defiance lacking in human compassion and completely void of consolatory tone.

            The job of a effect statesman is more then just dressing the part, I fear many can’t see beyond the cloths, paint and power.

            Would you buy a car for the paint?

          • independant thinker

            “The job of a effect statesman is more then just dressing the part, I fear many can’t see beyond the cloths, paint and power.”

            Describes your hero Obama perfectly doesn’t it.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Very well said sir. And speaking the truth, there is one reason, and one reason only that the left wing liberals hate Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly. It is exactly that. The truth. They speak the truth, they prove what they say is true, and the totally expose the left for the liars and cheats that they are. They nail them in their double talk, when they flip flop, ala John Kerry. The call them to task for the things they say one thing on, but voted another way, and they exposed them for the phonies that they are. And the liberals think of themselves as so much smarter and more deserving than anyone, that they hate it when they are exposed. They are like the spoiled little rich kid that always gets his way, and when he doesnt, he throws a fit and points fingers and blames everyone else. This is, todays left wing liberal democrats. No wonder they are getting voted out of office in record numbers. Come on 2012, lets finish cleaning out, and dump the rest of the trash.

          • DaveH

            Bob Wire says that Sarah Palin scares nobody on the left. Yet they have rabidly personally attacked Sarah, her husband, her kids, even her mentally retarded kid. Wow, so that’s how they behave when somebody doesn’t even scare them?
            Best we tread lightly, so as not to really piss them off.

          • libertytrain

            DaveH – My goodness, so well said.

          • Vicki

            Well said Papa and there is nothing wrong with your eyesight. By Sarah’s writing we can see inside.

            Now as to Bob Wire who writes:
            “beauty only exist in the eye of the beholder Papa

            I know women and you need a new script for your glasses Pap’s.”

            Since bob says that beauty exists in the eye of the beholder that bob needs to open his eyes and see. Papa and the rest of us are having no trouble there.

            Bob Wire: “And for the record, Sarah Palin scares no one on the left,~ now she might scare some righties but only a little bit.”

            Obvious denial or those closed eyes AND ears since it is well known that humans attack that which they fear. Since Sarah presents no other possible danger to the liberal the continuous vicious attacks (which are well documented in google and elsewhere on this site) I must conclude by the voluminous evidence that the liberal DOES fear Sarah.

          • JeffH

            Papa, great post, Thank You. DaveH and Vicki, always as good a posts as one can find. bob wire, you can’t make it more plain that you despise Palin as much as the “grassroots” Tea Party. You just can’t resist taking the cheap shots but you can still voice your opinions.

          • bob wire

            Wonderful! I enjoy hearing of this ground swell of admiration and profound respect for Beck and Palin. ~

            That’s music to my ears. Like a Christmas present coming early.

            maybe you can encourage others to see it the same way! You need help, let me know , I’ll do what I can for you.

          • bob wire

            “DaveH says:
            January 14, 2011 at 2:04 pm

            Bob Wire says that Sarah Palin scares nobody on the left. Yet they have rabidly personally attacked Sarah, her husband, her kids, even her mentally retarded kid. Wow, so that’s how they behave when somebody doesn’t even scare them?”

            Good point Dave & Vicky! I understand your train of thought and it makes perfect sense. Allow me to say only that “I” don’t control the media anymore directly then you do, and that Palin has received way too much “FREE” media time. ~ much like the governor of Illinois, with the pretty hair. A pretty street fighter but still just an empty shirt.

            People have always liked pretty, ~ it’s sexy, it’s sensationalism , it’s sells soap. Palin has shown a perspicuity to enjoy being a media whore and loves the free attention. McCain didn’t have a clue he was opening up Pardora box when he previewed Palin to the Nation, offering her such a lofty platform.

            I don’t dislike Palin, but speaking purely for myself, I have no personal interest in her and her aspirations other then the voting dynamics her presence might offer.

            She is a PLUS resource for the DNC, maybe that is why the Left media refuses to let her fade into the history books.

            I do wish the media would quit giving her air time. Palin will do the GOP no good, her base consistent largely of a few thousand gun people. So yes, she hold sway to a small voting block and when every vote counts, this makes her important to some people.

            Palin should be solicited as a spokes person for the NRA, a job much more suited for her.

            But at the end of the day, Palin has way too many flees on her for a national political position. So what’s her purpose today?

          • DaveH

            And just what are those fleas, Bob Wire?
            She doesn’t want to hire the government as proxy to take from those who have it and distribute to those who didn’t earn it?
            She loves her children even when they are suffering from Down’s syndrome or pregnant out of wedlock?
            She shoots game, instead of relying on a proxy butcher to do her killing for her?
            She’s a Media Whore? Funny that I can’t recall you saying that about Obama, who’s face is constantly appearing on my TV screen. The guy who doesn’t miss an opportunity to give one of his “look at me” self-aggrandizing speeches.

          • http://deleted Claire

            bob wire–Don’t call Palin a media whore, in reality if you call her a media whore then everyone else should be called one too.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Note to Bob wire. So since your liberal arse buddies decided to use this for political gain, and wrongly attack Sarah Palin, according to you, she is supposed to sit there like a door mat and let them walk all over her and not defend herself against hateful, vile attacks? You really feel that way? If so, then you need to practice what you preach, and not say a thing when I inform you that you are an illiterate d.i.c.k .that has his head up his a.s.s.. Now dont say a word, because your supposed to get attacked and take it. You jerk.

        • Bruce D.

          Most likely David you are a Rino as is John McCain’s daughter. She is embarrassed to be a Republican too, but mostly is an embarrassment to herself. Beck is not a Republican as most on this site are not. We are trying to make the most out of a bad situation. Beck is only trying to help.

          • AjaxRemlar

            Bruce, like it or not, there was a great deal of mud slinging and verbal “violence” from both sides. I happen to despise both major parties in this country because neither of them are even shades of what they used to be. If you can say you weren’t finding yourself sick to your stomach over the constant references to violence as metaphor, you’re either lying or lacking conscience.

            David’s got it right- 2008 was sickening, but it was sickening all around. To watch conservative leaders I’ve admired for years sink to the level of the opposition was one of the most disheartening things I’ve seen. To watch it continue in various aspects is perhaps more so.

            If I could offer advice to a candidate, it would be this: Have your entire campaign be about your record versus theirs. No personal blows, no scandals acknowledged; keep it to the job and about the job. If you’ve got an honest voting record, you’ve got nothing to hide and something to flaunt- So why NOT make that front and center?

            One thing is certain. Though the accusations against we on the right are baloney at best, the political atmosphere certainly does need a cooling.

          • Bruce D.

            I am not a fan of McCain’s but he should have looked into Obama’s past a little more closely. He also discouraged others from doing so. If he had Obama would not be president now. I really do not see it the way you do.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            She is embarrassed because she knows inside it is wrong to be a sexual perverted deviant like she is. She knows it. God has wired us to know when we are doing wrong. And she can strike out all she wants, and blame everyone else, but its on her. Until she gets herself straight with God, she will forever be running from the truth. Many humans do it. I know. I ran for 40 years before I woke up. God willing, she will too.

          • DaveH

            Ajax,
            I much prefer them to be open about their feelings. The politicians that scare me the most are the ones who tell us only what they want us to hear.
            I know where the honest ones are coming from. I would rather have that any day than the smooth talkers.

        • Ruby

          I can’t believe that you think how Montel Williams suggested that Michelle Bachman slit her throat is not vitriolic and hate mongering. How about all the death wishers against Rush Limbaugh. What about how someone (was it in California) hanged a dummy that represented Sarah Palin during the presedential campain. WHO are the REAL hate mongerers? Come on, man. Take a step back and look at the whole picture.

          • JeffH

            Ruby, forgot about Montell…more great examples…Thanks.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Dont you know, that since the left are the filthly rich suckers, and they own almost all the national press, that we are supposed to allow them to lie and steal and cheat and attack, and not say a word about it, lest we be labeled haters. Welcome to the democratic party of the 2000′s.

        • http://yahoo richard

          it’s strange, i listen to glenn beck almost every day and the only harsh words i ever hear are when he plays a video of the left

          • Bruce D.

            Beck is both good natured and a gentlemen as is Hannity. You never see the hate coming from them as you on the left. I like the way Beck backs up every thing he says with tapes and quotes. I can see why the left does not like him. It is a nightmare for the left when caught on tape and exposed.

          • Bob Wire

            I don’t know about you but mocking the misfortune of a rival,(death of a child) really doesn’t sound like my kind of guy.

            Maybe it’s that Tea party thAng! ~ “One for “me” and all for”me”!

            Months later, Beck was hired by Phoenix Top-40 station KOY-FM, then known as Y-95. Beck was partnered with Arizona native Tim Hattrick to co-host a local “morning zoo” program.[18] During his time at Y-95, Beck cultivated a rivalry with local pop radio station KZZP and that station’s morning host Bruce Kelly. Through practical jokes and publicity stunts,

            Beck drew criticism from the staff at Y-95 when the rivalry culminated in Beck telephoning Kelly’s wife on-the-air, mocking her recent miscarriage.[16] In 1989,

            Beck resigned from Y-95 to accept a job in Houston at KRBE, known as Power 104. Beck was subsequently fired in 1990 due to poor ratings.[16]

          • Bruce D.

            I can understand why you and the rest of the left hate Sarah Palin and Glen Beck. Sarah Palin is holding her own but you can’t even come close to getting Glen Beck. His videos and quotes make you scurry like cockroaches to find your hole. The all powerful Marxist George Soros couldn’t even get to him.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Amen brother, I hear you talking. I said it before and Ill say it again. They hate Beck , because the guy speaks the truth, and the truth is not in the left, and they reject it wholly, so they reject him also. This is an out and out fact. He speaks the truth and it exposes them, and they feel no one has the right to speak the truth about them. Thank God for Glenn Beck.

          • DaveH

            For an even better solution, watch John Stossel, or Judge Napolitano on Fox Business Channel.

          • Vicki

            Bob Wire writes:
            “Beck drew criticism from the staff at Y-95 when the rivalry culminated in Beck telephoning Kelly’s wife on-the-air, mocking her recent miscarriage.[16] In 1989,”

            That’s the best you can do to prove that Glen Beck is a hate monger?

            It is not even from this century. Sad.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Personally, I will watch John Stossel any day of the week before I will watch Beck, Limbaugh, Levin, Savage, Maddow, Olbermann, Mathews, O’Reilly, Coulter, Malkin, Hannity, and so on. These people are laughing all the way to the bank. Spin doctors–all of them.

          • bob wire

            “Vicki says:
            January 14, 2011 at 3:31 pm

            Bob Wire writes:
            “Beck drew criticism from the staff at Y-95 when the rivalry culminated in Beck telephoning Kelly’s wife on-the-air, mocking her recent miscarriage.[16] In 1989,”

            That’s the best you can do to prove that Glen Beck is a hate monger?”

            response; should I really need to Vicky?

            I’m thinking your Question says more about you then it does anyone else. Publicly mocking a married couple for losing a child is not enough for you to pause and think?

            I think that there is some kind of fundamental disconnect with the both of you that you share. Beck appeals to people with a common sickness, mostly products of dysfunctional families much like his own. Beck knows how to appeal to you and he is making a lot of money with it.

            There is nothing wrong with the money but the message is dysfunctional. serving no meaningful end.

            I know the world would be more perfect, if less people were present.

            So what’s the big plan?

          • Vicki

            Bob wire writes:
            “I’m thinking your Question says more about you then it does anyone else.”

            Poorly veiled ad hominem attack against Vicki. Debate win to Vicki and the Conservative team.

            Bob wire: “Publicly mocking a married couple for losing a child is not enough for you to pause and think?”

            You have no evidence that I did not pause and think.

            Now to the point. Liberals tell us to ignore the past sins of people (except conservatives or republicans) so why are you focused on the past sin of Glenn? Oh right he is a conservative.

            However isn’t it the liberal that keeps telling us to forgive and forget without actually doing so themselves?

          • DaveH

            If indeed, Bob Wire, Beck behaved like a jerk he deserved the criticism. Then. But 20 years later? Have you never behaved like a jerk, Bob? Can nobody improve themselves in your world, Bob? Must they pay for their sins eternally? Do you?

        • Buzz Breslin

          Mule muffins. Listen to the leftist nonsense Mr.Fields. You should be embarrassed to be a Democrat!

          • David Fields

            Since I’m not a Democrat, I’m not. However, as was said earlier, the fault lies on both sides.

            My conclusion? No matter which party you talk about, our Congress and other Federal officials are all career politicians. The original electoral system was designed for our officials to be “Of the People, From the People.” Make of that what you will.

          • JUKEBOX

            DAVID is a RINO.

          • Vicki

            JUKEBOX says:
            “DAVID is a RINO.”

            Hang on a sec. Lets not be quite so quick to judge. David does have at least 1 point we know is valid.

            David Fields writes:
            “No matter which party you talk about, our Congress and other Federal officials are all career politicians.”

            Let us continue to discuss Davids points and see if maybe we have more common ground with him than first it would appear.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Let me ask you this then, if your so damn offended. If Beck isnt the saviour of conservatism, then who is? Someone has to champion the cause. And evidently sir, you havent been listening at all to Beck. Because you see, Beck isnt a Republican. He has said that over and over again. So why are you ashamed to be a Republican as to what a non Republican says? Do you really listen to what he says? I myself have never, ever caught him lying. And he says he voted Republican these days, only because he cant vote for the evilness that has taken over the democratic party. And like he said, that could change in 5 years or 10 years, who knows. He just votes for the party that comes closest to representing his ideals, and its not the democrats now. So your not listening sir, and you need to put your bias against him away, and truly listen to what he says. He is a pretty smart guy, and I have found him to have a true aim almost 100 percent of the time. He is right on with the truth on the things he says, and the truth is what I have great respect for. The left is void of the truth these days, and that is evident by how they hate on people, then when those people defend themselves, and rightfully so, the left labels them as haters. Its unbelievable.

          • kate8

            Beberoni – As much as I do like Glenn Beck, and do believe he is sincere, I also believe he is lying (albeit under duress) when he ridicules “birthers” and denounces his previous remarks on the existence of FEMA camps and such.

            It really upsets me when he puts down people who only want Obama to open up his records so we can see who he is. To me, it lessens his credibility as a voice of the people because it is such an obvious concession to the PTB. Better he left such subjects alone than try to steer us away from wanting the truth.

          • Bruce D.

            I disagree with Beck on the natural born citizen issue also. That being said if you expect to agree with someone on every issue you will not have very many allies if any.

          • kate8

            It wasn’t about disagreeing. It was that he did such a turnaround when he got heat for it. The birth issue is taboo in the airwaves.

            It’s not a matter of even whether he believes it or not. It’s a matter of trying to ridicule Americans who want to know. This is so basic to our Constitution that one has to wonder why he would make it a point to marginalize those who want to exercise their right to see proof of Obama’s right to hold office. Not to mention questioning the failure of our government to do so.

            I don’t mind minor disagreements. We all have them. But this is hardly minor, and all we want is to know the truth, not be silenced by being spat on by our own camp. It damages his image as a voice of the people, and shows him to be, ultimately, controlled by the PTB.

          • DaveH

            Kate,
            Surely you’ve known liars in your life, who aren’t perceived as such by other people who just don’t know the facts or haven’t experienced the reality of those people as you have? Given that, how can you possibly hope to convince people of those conspiracies (true or not)?
            I think we need to stick to the facts that people in leadership positions cannot be trusted with the kind of power that they have, and push for much less government so that people are more responsible for their own actions and lives. Defanging Government (getting them out of the marketplace and our personal choices) would take care of most conspiracies that people worry about.

          • Vicki

            The problem with Conspiracy theories is that some of them are more then just “theory”.

        • Doug

          Go look at Michelle Malkin.com and look at the 1/11 blog and see the very very long list of hate and actions taken by the left over the years. It real simple the Right is sick and tired of turning our cheeks and it time to start fighting back so before your mouth lies be ready defend your position but please use real facts. I am seeing people who were suppose to be educated that really did not learn a thing!

        • DaveH

          How about the Fact, David, that there would be no trouble if there weren’t people on the left taking our money and forcing their choices on us using the Force of the biggest gang in the land (Big Government)?

          • Jerry

            Bob Wired, You ask if we would buy a car for the paint? Millions of voters did in ’08 Presidential election.

          • bob wire

            “Bob Wired, You ask if we would buy a car for the paint? Millions of voters did in ’08 Presidential election.”

            maybe so Jerry, maybe so, but what was the choices available at the time?

            I’d not buy something with 300 thousand miles on it and take off on a long road trip with an unproven spare, and you shouldn’t either.

            Mccain would be dead from the stress by now and Palin would be running things. Have you noticed the graying of “O’s” hair?

            Face it ! The GOP really screwed up!

            It was McCain to lose and he did!

            If Mc Cain that the metal for the job, he’d told Karl Rove to take a hike and been his own man and showed us he was serious about cleaning house. His VP pick was awful.

            But he didn’t do that and we got “O” 44.

            So you can blame everything and everyone you wish for losing this race.

            But next time you better bring a nag that can at least stand up and run.

          • Vicki

            His VP pick was superb. Not only did it revitalize his dying campaign but it brought to the attention of the people someone who could really do the job and would really annoy Hilliary.

            The proof of how good a choice it was lies in the fear the Democrats had of that choice as demonstrated by their nearly nonstop ad hominem attacks against Sarah Palin which continue to this day and how close the final vote actually was. Had there been no Sarah, Obama would likely have won in a landslide.

            The Democrats KNOW she is a danger to both the democrat party and Hilliary’s plans to be the first woman president of the US. They CONTINUE to attack her. Most recent evidence is the left adding her name to the list of conservatives responsible for the acts of an apparent madman.

          • http://deleted Claire

            DaveH–Speaking of Palin–I remember clearly one week during the campaign a petition “Women Against Palin” was circulated here in the Midwest–in less than a week they had over 500,000 signatures. It was a huge amount by the time we voted. It seems like a vast number of people were for Hillary.

          • DaveH

            Claire,
            Hillary is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

          • http://deleted Claire

            DaveH–I know all about Hillary– and it is mindboggling that this petition against Palin acquired so many signatures. It was put forth by women for Hillary. I remember when Obama became the Democratic nominee, these women did not want to vote for him. Remember all that? Apparently they changed their minds at the request of Hillary.

          • DaveH

            From what I read about Hillary, Claire, we may have gotten lucky to get Obama instead.

          • http://deleted Claire

            DaveH–You make a very strong point!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Claire, anyone that would vote for Hillary, is oblivious to the truth about her. May I suggest you read the book “Hell to Pay”, by I believe Barbara Olsen. And these signatures were the work of the womens liberation front, via Hillary, in an attempt to discredit Mrs. Palin. Thats all it was. And knowing how they lie, I would bet the farm that the 500,000, was more closely resembling 50,000 only, because those are the kind of liars we are dealing with. And that woman that leads them, whats her name, Gloria Steinem or something like that? She is the worst thing that has ever happened to women in my lifetime. Absolutely the worst thing. And this is from a married man that treats my wife like a queen. I do as I am commanded, and I have died to myself for her benefit. I put her first in front of myself, 99 percent of the time. But God comes before her, so she knows that also. So when your looking at where these signatures are coming from, consider the source. And consider the liar behind them.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Beberoni–You are no doubt correct. I just couldn’t believe that many signatures! This petition was put out by “Women for Hillary.” And I can tell you one thing, they were mean. I did not sign it, and boy, you would think I committed an unpardonable sin. The woman looked like she wanted to slap my face.

        • Jerry

          David, Obama said during his campaign “If they bring a knife, we’ll bring a gun.” What’s more combative than that?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Again, he gets a pass. It is because he said this, that this guy brought a gun and started shooting. I know this is plain stupid non-sense, but I just wanted to say it, so that the liberals in here, would see how stupid it sounds when they make their stupid false accusations. It is the exact same thing. Its rediculous.

    • Mick

      Jeremy Leochner says:
      January 14, 2011 at 12:42 am
      Mr Wood, aside from people who are quick to act, slow to think people are not trying to blame the shooting in Tuscon on conservatives. But even if they were the way you are framing your argument and talking about this debate is no better. Your criticising liberals and the left for smearing conservatives but by your own words and tone your smearing the left. I believe the murderer in Tuscon was a deranged pyschopath with no real coherent ideology. I believe rhetoric and bile from both sides of the political spectrum may have helped contribute though they weren’t neccessarily the primary cause. That being said rhetoric is something from everyone of every group and just as liberals or leftists or democrats shouldn’t use it to smear the right or conservatives so conservatives and republicans should not use rhetoric to smear those on the left. As to your final statment your right we can all survive a few more smears. The problem is smearing and name calling dosen’t get anything done and frankly it looks childish.

      Jeremy…Although I agree with some of the things you said in your post certain things need to be pointed out…

      The left have a much higher degree of smearing than the other side , we didn’t see so many finger pointing in the Fort hood massacre although the left defend Muslim’s

      rights and many of their activities..

      If I missed the articles showing that the right is stronger in the blame game when it comes to judging a whole group of people for the actions of a deranged individual please feel free to point them out .

      • eddie47d

        There has been much mudslinging by on Right on the Muslim people and even against honest Muslim Americans. That is why Obama tried to tone down the Ft. Hood shooting for there was enough shouting and screaming going on already. Some people love adding more fuel to the fire and someone has to be strong enough to tone things down. Now this Keith Olbermann pundit is another one who likes to yell fire in a crowded theater. He is an attention seeker but I would expect better from Chip.

        • Mick

          eddie47d says:
          January 14, 2011 at 8:33 am
          There has been much mudslinging by on Right on the Muslim people and even against honest Muslim Americans. That is why Obama tried to tone down the Ft. Hood shooting for there was enough shouting and screaming going on already. Some people love adding more fuel to the fire and someone has to be strong enough to tone things down. Now this Keith Olbermann pundit is another one who likes to yell fire in a crowded theater. He is an attention seeker but I would expect better from Chip.
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          eddie47d…I hate to break it to you but being originally from france i am very familiar with the Muslim population and although i agree with you about muslims not bring all bad one still have to beware..
          At 15 I had to walk to the subway station in Paris to go to work with brass knuckles on my hand in fear of being attacked ( Not that could have done a whole lot with this weapon ) but it was better than noting, that was the norm in 1961 for girl being attacked , rape and killed and from what I am told from many people I know in France things are not improving

          • libertytrain

            Mick – it would seem you have to be mistaken. Those kind of things only happen here in the USA, certainly not in France. :)

        • love

          If a person claims to be a Christian but does not do what Jesus wants him to do, Is that person a spokes person for Jesus? Jesus did not condone violence. He did not attack the government, He did not preach on starting wars or killing people. Jesus knew he would be attacked by those that wanted to hold onto their own believes. Jesus traveled many a mile to warn people of their sinful ways and told them there is a better way. Jesus did not hurt anyone yet he was hung on a cross. The reason was that many people in powerful places were afraid of losing their power over other people. Jesus main messages is God loves you and God made a way for us to join him in heaven.
          Many a war, many killings, many people that claim to be Christian have not received that message. If a person kills someone else, that is not Christian! That is a poor choice by a lost person. To find Jesus is to find freedom. Man has been given free choice by God so he could chose to love God or hate God. To blame Jesus for what some people do that murder or steal or covet or any of the ten commandments that God gave man is just evil trying to get people confused on what is right and what is wrong. Many hundred thousand million Christian are peace loving, missionaries, that want to help all people on a path to everlasting life! one person that claims to be Christian and then murders someone is not a Christian, he is the evil ones henchman.
          I am saddened to hear that so called Christians are killing an preaching war and hate. The truth is they are not speaking for God and are not follows of Christ. Unfortunately evil gets so bad that it has to be destroyed but I leave that to God. The bible has instructions and examples of how to live and not live here on earth, you have the choice to follow Jesus or not. He was and is peace loving and wants everyone to follow him to heaven.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Listen eddie. Dont make statements like that, if your not fully understanding. Have you ever studied the Muslim religion? Have you ever done any research on Shariah law? The very tenemants of their religion, say to kill you eddie, unless you submit to their religious beliefs. And you back that up eh? Christians pray for people and serve them and give money and time to folks all over these United States and the World, and ask for nothing in return, all done out of the goodness of their hearts, and the press and people like you attack and lambast them, because I have read your posts before. You insinuate that Christian beliefs are forced on you and they arent and never will be. But yet you would sit here, and defend Muslims, who would like nothing more that to subdue you and all Americans and force you to practice their ways or die. That just blows my mind eddie, and sad thing is, your not the only one. Many bleeding heart liberals want us to have tolerance and understanding for them, when their very belief is, is that they are going to kill us die trying to kill us. Thats the facts, these are the very tenemants of their religion. If you dont think like them and practice religion like them, then you are an infidel and deserve death. Maybe you wouldnt feel so rosy about them if you actually knew their true intent concerning all of us Americans. I myself, fully understand it, but unlike them, I pray for them, that God will open their eyes and ears and take them out of their world of darkness that satan rules, and deliver them from the hate that consumes them. Only by the light of Jesus Christ do any have a chance. And thats just the facts. But again, unlike them, Im not going to go around killing people to force them to think like I do. My God doesnt want me to do that.

          • kate8

            Beberoni – So many, like eddie, who love to say nasty remarks about Christianity, fail to understand that unless a person comes to the lord of his own free will, with a heart of repentance, forgiveness and love of God, it has no meaning.

            Christians don’t force people. What ever would be the point of that. Freedom is based on Judeo-Christian values. You don’t find them anywhere else.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Amen Kate. And only in Christianity will you find a leader, Jesus Christ, who is alive and well and not lying in the grave. All other religions founders, leaders, etc, are lying in their graves, eaten by worms. Everyone of them, except Jesus Christ. Sorry, Im not serving a dead god. I will serve the One and Only Living God, Jesus Christ, who has taken the time and Love for me, to reveal Himself to me, just as He said He would.

          • Vicki

            Kate8 says:
            “Christians don’t force people. What ever would be the point of that. Freedom is based on Judeo-Christian values. You don’t find them anywhere else.”

            Correct. We as Christians must constantly be aware however that others, claiming to act in Christ’s name have forced people (Thru big government). We have to remind them every time we can that neither Christ nor the teachings of Christ involve or condone forcing people to believe.

            God gave all of us free will to choose to come to him/her or not. Forcing people to “believe” will not actually make them believe.

          • eddie47d

            Read your comments Beberoni and stop trying to start religious wars. Enough is enough and you are the one who “shouldn’t be making statements like that”. I don’t blast or attack Christians. I certainly have brought up their past sins and hypocrisies. So there is a big difference,Bud. A Christian who blots out their own sins and wrongs is no true Christian. Read what love said at 11;18am just above your comment. Christians can be very compassionate and giving in this world. Yet the bulk of the giving (medicines,building supplies,equipment)comes from the government and taxes that you loath. That relief money going to Haiti was over a billion and an immediate necessity. Some Christian groups actually refused to help the Haitians and encouraged the government not to help.(many more Christians helped than didn’t). Christian people are good folk but can be very high and mighty and very anti-Muslim. A true Christian isn’t afraid of Muslims and you are fearful. Well, at least you admit it.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Muslims are the enemy of us all eddie, Christian and non Christian alike. They want me dead, and they want you dead. Thats just the way it is. And do you know why they are still alive and here edddie? Its because when God empowered Solomon, who asked God only for wisdom to rule his people, and God made him the richest man in the world for it, was still stupid enough to disobey God, and that is why we are in the position we are in today. You see, as God delivered enemy after enemy into Solomons hand, God commanded him to kill them all, as he did not want those who worshiped false gods spreading around this behavior, as it led them straight to hell for this. But Solomon, disobeyed, and kept some of the women of his enemies for his own pleasure, and he allowed them to keep their false gods and practice their false religions. That is where the muslim religion spawned from. And I am commanded by God to love my enemies, and I tell you what eddie, this is the hardest thing to do. Its really hard to love someone you know wants you dead. So instead of hunting them down and killing them, like they do us, I pray that my God will deal with them in His own way, and He will, in His own time. And one day He will rid the earth of them, when all He gathers to Himself will be those who have called upon the name of Jesus Christ. All others have been reserved to be thrown into the lake of fire. I dont make the rules eddie, I just know Who the real power is. And I know who is on the losing side, as the battle has already been won, and its just a matter of time before the judgment comes down. But for now, I pray for their deliverance from the darkness, as I do for you kind sir. I know you hate me, for your political difference. Im sure outside of political slant, your probably a decent guy. And I hope someday soon you can see the difference between right and wrong, and see how polluted the left’s attacks on this tragic event are. They are vile eddie, just plain vile. And its wrong, and I dont believe one has to be enlightened by God to see this either. Its pretty visible to those who want to see it.

    • Wanda Murline

      Jeremy: I will pray for you as you are now blaming the Bible and our Saviour Jesus Christ for these killings. How in the world does this have anything to do with a psychopath…if this young man had known Christ … then there would never have been a shooting. Shame on you and may God find a way into your heart so you can see the blessings he affords us every day. God Bless America.

      • HFlashman

        If th shooter had ‘known Christ’ it never would have happened? Are you also speaking of the abortion bombers, and McVey and Rudolph, etc etc?

        • Shane P.

          I don’t think either of them knew Christ.

        • Angel

          If the shooter had “known Christ”, Sarah Palin would have denounced Jesus for “pallin’ around with terrorists!”

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You are a confused soul. Sarah Palin knows Jesus Christ, and has accepted Him as her saviour. And one of you whack job liberals can think your going to shoot her and kill her, but all you are going to do is send her to paradise sooner that expected. She has eternal life, and none of you can take that from her. She has a relationship with God, and is full of good, and that is what scares the liberals and those of you in the darkness so much. Satan has you screaming in fear, because he knows of the good she is and is capable of bearing. He doesnt want that, and he will turn all you people that dont know Jesus into hate mongers, and only by finding Jesus, and inviting Him into your lives, can you break the stanglehold satan has on you. And he does have a hold on you, for you to make such an evil dark statement. Shame on you.

          • HFlashman

            Yep…Palin is a christian…one that attends snake worshippng services and excorcisms of withces from villages. (and that is a fact…though she denies it, the video of the services she attended and chummed around with the dewitcher remains for all to see.)

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Lets see the link flashy. And also, when did this go on? If it went on , if it is true, before she became a Christian, then youve got nothing. Dude, in my youth, I did all kinds of things, that if they were on film, and a cat like you watched it, you would say that I cant be a Christian. And you would be partially right, because I wasnt a Christian when I did those things. You, see, that is what being a Christian is all about. Accepting Christ and having all those nasty horrific sins that weigh us down, washed away completely. Mine are all dead and gone, and not one will be judged against me. His blood cleansed them all for me. So if by chance youve seen some video of her doing something when she was a non believer, its doesnt count pal. Just as my previous sins were washed, so are hers. And so would be yours, and all you have to do is ask. And Im here to tell you sir, its wonderful to get that weight off your shoulders. You would be amazed at how much it weighs, once you get it off. Its wonderful. You really need to try it. Wont you join us?

          • DaveH

            Flashdunce,
            You do realize that you have no credibility on this board?
            If indeed Sarah did attend those services and there is video proof, then post it for us to see.

          • Vicki

            HFashman writes:
            “(and that is a fact…though she denies it, the video of the services she attended and chummed around with the dewitcher remains for all to see.)”

            Sure it is. Well show us. We’re waiting. Or is it like the birth certificate?

          • eddie47d

            Good grief Vickie and Dave that’s been in the news for 3 years now. Look up Palin and exorcism on the web. Why do you two have to call people untruthful or liars all the time when it is common knowledge.

          • Vicki

            eddie47d says:
            “Vickie and Dave that’s been in the news for 3 years now. ”

            Then it should be easy for you to provide a cite. Till then its just more hot air.

          • JeffH

            This video is a hoot and another prime example of how the left tries to turn nothing into a sensational act by Palin…no exorcism and no witchcraft… Thomas Muthee delivered a sermon at the Wasilla Assemblies of God, blesses Palin and prays for her…and of course the audio and video have been manipulated…I’ll repeat, nothing here is witchcraft or an exorcism.
            http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x702oi_sarah-palin-exorcism-ritual_shortfilms

          • http://deleted Claire

            DaveH–I saw it on TV–Palin and that church/pastor. As far as a web site there probably is one, however I will not waste my time trying to look it up because I could care less.

          • DaveH

            As usual, the Drama King has to put in his hyperbolic comment.
            If it is common knowledge, then post it, Eddie. Is that hard for you?
            It shouldn’t be for an intelligent Liberal.

          • eddie47d

            It wasn’t my call so if you want the skinny use up your own time. I already did, and Jeff I never said it was either good or bad toward Palin. So don’t make assumptions you can’t back up which you always do.

          • DaveH
          • JeffH

            Well eddie, where did I make an assumption and did I even mention you in my comment? You’re either paranoid or just looking for more attention.

          • Vicki

            DaveH says:
            “People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones:
            http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/new-study-more-democrats-republicans-believe-ghosts-talking-dead-fortunete

            Oh dear. I really am Conservative but I talk to the dead often. I ask them questions and THEY ANSWER me. No silly crystal ball for me. I do it the old fashion way. I study History. You can too.
            http://www.loc.gov/index.html

          • Vicki

            DaveH says:
            “People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones:”

            Oh dear. I really am Conservative but I talk to the dead often. I ask them questions and THEY ANSWER me. No silly crystal ball for me. I do it the old fashion way. I study History. You can too.
            http://www.loc.gov/index.html

          • DaveH

            Vicki,
            You know I believe in the Freedom for you to believe whatever you want to believe. I was merely defending Sarah Palin from the slander of the Liberals.

          • Vicki

            Yes DaveH I do know that. I was just pointing out that we CAN talk to the dead and they CAN answer :).

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          You are exactly right. Anyone that goes out and kills people just to kill them, is an emissary of satan, and does not know Jesus Christ at all sir. Even those back in what they called the dark ages, who went around and killed people for what they determined were sins against God, they didnt know Jesus Christ, or they wouldnt have done it. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is to be administered in love, not force or fear. So no, these people you mentioned, did not know Jesus Christ. Neither did Jim Jones or David Koresh. You know, many will come in His name, and are false prophets. It is written that way in the Bible, in more than one place. And they are amongst us now, it is written also. So learn your Bible, and know what it says. Then you will not make these stupid statements sir. No, they did not know Jesus Christ.

          • Vicki

            At least David Koresh didn’t go around making people drink the koolaid.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Jim Jones and David Koresh concentrated on forcing underage girls to have sex with them. It is disgusting that people like this do the things they do and profess to believe in God, using God’s name to conduct their twisted/demonic and immoral ways.

          • libertytrain

            To me, Claire, they were pretty much as low as pedophiles and probably much worse.

          • http://deleted Claire

            libertytrain–They are the scum of the earth. They are dead, and rightfully so. They can no longer spread their evil. The only problem is they no doubt have “replacements.”

          • Vicki

            Claire says:
            “Jim Jones and David Koresh concentrated on forcing underage girls to have sex with them. ”

            Proof by hearsay evidence. Unless YOU were one of those underage girls.

            We are told that JJ talked his people into killing themselves. I do not have any current reason to doubt that. David Koresh and many of his followers were attacked killed by BATF and FBI agents in full view of the press. There is much testimony from reliable sources (The sheriff for one) that he would have come quietly. The sheriff even investigated the charges of sex with underage girls and found nothing.

            BATF was supposedly there because of a claim that the church possessed illegal firearms. Even the most liberal reading of the 2nd amendment shows that they could not possibly possess any illegal firearms. There were plenty of adults between the ages of 17 and 45 inside.

            Isn’t bearing false witness a sin?

            Here is just one link to cites of what happened in Texas that fateful global warming (we call it spring around here).
            http://www.pacinst.com/terrorists/chapter9/waco.html

          • http://deleted Claire

            Vicki– “Proof by hearsay evidence–Unless YOU were one of those underage girls?” Don’t mock me, it is unbecoming of you. “Isn’t bearing false witness a sin?” You bet it is. So don’t even hint that I am a liar. In 1993, a former Branch Davidian Jeannine Bunds was interviewed who claimed Koresh fathered at least 15 children with various women and young girls at the compound. Some of these girls were as young as 12 years old. Bunds also claimed Koresh would annul marriage of couples that joined his cult. Koresh then had exclusive sexual access to these women. James Tabor states that Koresh acknowledged on a videotape sent out of the compound during the standoff that he had fathered children by several women and some were as young as 12 or 13 when they became pregnant. I could continue but it would turn out to be a book.

          • libertytrain

            Claire – I’m with you – standing right next to you on this. There isn’t one of us who will agree on everything other people believe to be true- worse – if we start trying to chastise those on our “side” who may not agree with all angles of every story that is told, then we do have a problem and then it probably really is to late.

          • http://deleted Claire

            libertytrain– Thank you for your support, your words are also true.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Note to Vicki: I have seen these underage girls, now grown up, that got away from these guys and their warped false churches, and yes they echo the very things I said, that all, not some, all the young underaged girls were forced to have sex with both Jim Jones and David Koresh. They preyed on the weak minded, and were perverted sex offenders, and to tell the truth, I think God got tired of it and took them out. Call me whaky if you want, but they got taken out, and they deserved to get taken out, and I will credit Him above with taking them out. But yes, they were sexual deviats, and many that got out of their sects alive will tell you as much.

          • Vicki

            Claire says:
            “Vicki– “Proof by hearsay evidence–Unless YOU were one of those underage girls?” Don’t mock me, it is unbecoming of you.”

            Not my intent to mock you. It is my intent to remind you of innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Which due to the careless or criminal acts of government agents was rendered impractical.

            Clare: “Isn’t bearing false witness a sin?” You bet it is. So don’t even hint that I am a liar.”

            Was not even trying to hint that YOU were a liar.

            Clare: “In 1993, a former Branch Davidian Jeannine Bunds was interviewed who claimed Koresh fathered at least 15 children with various women and young girls at the compound. Some of these girls were as young as 12 years old.”

            And much more hearsay stuff that HAD BEEN INVESTIGTED by both the Sherrif and CPS of Texas and found to be false. Those were the people (either Bunds or the sherrif) to whom I clearly addressed as the source of the false witness charge.

            Clare: “I could continue but it would turn out to be a book.”

            So you could. I provided a cite to just one of the books I could continue with.

            Here is another to support my assertion about Texas CPS above
            http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/03-14-06/discussion.cgi.90.html

            The point remains that it is unwise of us to so easily believe the demonetization and marginalization of individuals or groups by the MSM. In fact this entire article is ABOUT the demonetization of the Tea Party and Sarah and Glenn et all.

          • Vicki

            Beberoni writes:
            “Note to Vicki: I have seen these underage girls, now grown up, that got away from these guys and their warped false churches, and yes they echo the very things I said, that all, not some, all the young underaged girls were forced to have sex with both Jim Jones and David Koresh.”

            Note to Beberoni :)

            As I so often of late say to liberals “Bring your evidence”. I have provided 2 cites for my assertions now. Where are yours?

      • Shane P.

        Wanda
        They have scales over their eyes and see nothing!

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Wanda I never said anything about Jesus Christ or Christianity. When I speak of a psychopath im talking about the shooter in Tuscon. Im simple trying to say what he did and what happened to the victims is not the fault of an ideology or political phiolsophy, its because of the mans deranged fantasies and his own cruelty.

    • JUKEBOX

      Then, you must be saying the Daily Kos is childish, because they posted a TARGET ad on Giffords in the 2008 election, and never was a whisper heard about it.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        What the heck, are you a spin doctor now? The target was targeting a democrat district, where the republicans needed to work on getting the word out about their candidate to get elected. That is how you win an elected seat, get the name of your candidate out to the voters. Like when Coke wants to market to teenagers, they will TARGET them with commercials aimed at teenagers, and they are very evident that they are aimed at Teenagers. Does that mean they want to shoot them? No, they want to sell them Coke. The target was not on Giffords, it was on the seat they wanted to win. And besides, if your even interested in reality, the whack job that did the shooting, had her name written down 4 years ago on a tablet they found in his house, that said “die bitch” or something like that, with her name on it. If you look, 4 years ago, America didnt even know who Sarah Palin was. Ok, get it? This guy was twisted, and he didnt care if Gabby was a Republican, a Democrat, a Christian, an Atheist, a Monk or a Communist. He just didnt care. She represented the establishment, a position of authority, and that is what he went after. The evil bastards on the left chose to attack Sarah Palin with hateful, hateful rhetoric, in an attempt to get her out of the 2012 election, and that is all there is to it. They are evil, evil people, and they will continue to do evil things in their hunt for power. If you cant see that and dont understand that, then I cant help you. No one can, only God can, because your refusing to see the truth.

        • JUKEBOX

          Thanks for proving my point. It’s OK for a democrat or liberal to say the most vitriolic things, and be totally immune to reprimand.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            I dont think that Jukebox. I think anyone from any party or group or side of the political spectrum who engages in smearing or mudslinging is behaving childishly and unprofessionaly.

        • truesoy

          Next you guys will claim the ‘tooth fairy’ made him do it.
          Anything to distance the right from the ‘scene of the massacre’.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            No dude, its not like that. There is no tooth fairy. But there is a satan, and he had a grip on this boy and led him to act. These acts were directly from the bowels of satan son, no doubt about it. Had this boy had any kind of light in him, this would never have come to pass. Satan preys big time on loners like this, and I dont know yet, but I will like to see if it comes out as to if he was taking drugs or something else, but you can tell by his picture, and by the things his former friends say, and by his writings, that the synapsis in his brain were not firing right. He didnt care about any political party, left, right, independant. He didnt care. He made up his mind 4 years ago to do this, and spiraled downhill until he did it.

  • Jake Reed

    I agree with you Mr. Leochner and very much disagree with Mr. Wood and Mr. Crytstal.

    Pyschopaths kill and nobody can get inside their mind as to say why. I don’t hold Ms. Palin responsible and I don’t hold anyone on the Left — and by the way, I hate the Left — responsible either.

    America is becoming is a sad sack of a nation when prundits have to RUSH to blame the left (and or the right) for the death of 9-year old girl and others.

    Come on Chip! Come on Ben! Do what you do best and write about what it takes to re-build America, not about whose at fault when nuts kill in cold blood.

    I have read you for years Chip but for the first time I am disappointed in your words.

    • Bruce D.

      Sometimes things need to be pointed out Jake Reed. You cannot let people walk all over you and call it a day. It invites more slander.

      • eddie47d

        Come on Bruce D., Limbaugh and Ann Coulter have been out there for years plying their trade in verbiage. It’s not only the left.

        • Bruce D.

          The left has been asserting their political correctness for forty years Eddie with little standing in their way. It is a form of mind control that people are not going to put up with anymore.

          • eddie47d

            Why should any of us put up with the verbiage from the right? No difference.

          • kate8

            eddie – It’s the Left that loves to use a crisis to further their agenda. Their on it before the dust settles, riding the wave of fear and emotion before anyone has time to think clearly.

            You guys think you can spew your hatred, and we’re supposed to remain silent and not fight back.

            We used to do that. Those days are gone.

          • Vicki

            eddie47d writes:
            “Why should any of us put up with the verbiage from the right?”

            Because you want to. Otherwise you could just walk away. Freedom of speech does not equal guarantee of an audience. Witness Air America.

            If however you think you are being slandered we would expect you to object. You still did it cause you wanted to. All those people would have been more than happy to treat the liberal verbage the way Air America was treated. They, however, were being slandered and decided to object. Even Fox News who apparently objected to what they KNEW was coming. Silly Fox News for learning from history.

          • kate8

            Vicki – That’s what ticks them off. If people have a choice of who they will listen to on TV or Radio, it’s not the Left.

            They don’t want people to have a choice. That way their views are the only ones we can get.

            What they don’t realize is that, contrary to what they believe, people are more than hapless sheep. Knock off rightwing radio, and we STILL won’t listen to the Left. We’ll simply find another way to talk to one another.

          • eddie47d

            Kate 8 and your “the left loves a crises”. Why on God’s earth do we have to keep reminding you about how the right reacted to 9/11. The Patriotic Act and Iraq War were overblown crises’s ready made to fit their schemes. Enough of your ,the left does this or that pandering.

          • Vicki

            Eddie47d writes:
            “The Patriotic Act and Iraq War were overblown crises’s ready made to fit their schemes.”

            Funny how they is thee. Only 1 democrat senator voted against the original Patriot Act. And a super majority and filibuster proof Congress and a Democrat president extended it. Or did you forget those inconvenient truths.

            http://educate-yourself.org/cn/patriotact20012006senatevote.shtml

          • JeffH

            Vicki, you know very well that eddie doesn’t forget those truths because he has never acknowledged those truths. He much prefers to “turn a blind eye” to the truth and the facts.

          • eddie47d

            The issue was about creating a crisis and yes Democrats signed onto the Patriotic Act but it was pushed by the Republicans. You seem to forget that inconvenient truth. Go back to sleep you crazy old man!!!

          • JeffH

            Oh eddie, now can I remind you who took all the credit for writing the Patriot Act…he’s the current VP in case you conveniently forgot.

            I ackowledge your name calling again.

          • Vicki

            eddie47d says:
            “The issue was about creating a crisis and yes Democrats signed onto the Patriotic Act but it was pushed by the Republicans. ”

            Is this the argument style of a child? “Mommy mommy he made me do it”. Do you really think most of the readers are children who will fall for that (lack of) logic. Or are you saying that Democrats are so weak willed that they are a pushover for Republicans.

            Well there is evidence that the Democrats are weak willed. They voted to extend it in 2006 (though more voted against the extension) and again in 2009 when they hard a super majority and filibuster proof Senate. Nancy is going to be really upset when she finds out that she was just a “useful idiot” figurehead for the last 2 years.

            Of course that evidence also supports the assertion that Democrats are quite happy with bigger and bigger government. Many other facts tend to show that this second assertion is the correct one.

            Eddie47d: “You seem to forget that inconvenient truth.”

            How can you claim we “seem” to forget it? We were discussing how DEMOCRATS voted. The links provided include the evil votes of both Democrats and Republicans.

            Eddie47d: Go back to sleep you crazy old man!!!

            Ad Hominem atttack. Debate win to JeffH and the Conservative team.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Rush Limbaugh exists for one reason ,and one reason only. The left has spewed their lies and vitrial hatred for years, and Rush Limbaugh decided he had a big enough mouth and a big enough brain to go toe to toe and fight these left wing liars. And because of them, he got rich and famous, taking the fight to them. Before, the left was just bullies who got to lie and cheat and steal and cut down and demean and destroy anyone they wanted, because they own the press and media. Enter Rush Limbaugh, then Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly, and they expose these liars for who they are, and the left hates them for it, because before these guys came along, they could do and say anything they wanted, and nobody ever questioned them. Nobody. Now they are called to task, and exposed as the liars that they are, and they hate these guys for it. They hate them. They want to shut them down. They think no one should be allowed to expose their lies. They want it like it used to be, where Walter Cronkite could tell us anything and we blindly believed him. Those days are gone, and now the truth will be exposed, whether the left likes it or not. And they dont like it, because the truth is not in them. And that is the rest of the story.

    • Nina

      C’Mon…the whole conversation began by “accusing” Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and others of having blood on their hands. Liberal commentators, stations etc have spent time trying to force that issue down the throats of the American Public. While none of us want to keep addressing this, you can’t ignore it without expressing the reality and calling out the outrageous people/stations responsible. I want the issue to be over with but NOT at the expense of allowing the other side of the argument to continue without response. They cried foul against Sarah Palin and when she did respond decided to attack that response and accused her of whitewashing her site. She has been attacked since she bounded into their headlights. She is important to the Consevative action and remains so the more she does get attacked…to her credit that shows a very strong constitution. At some point the liberal side will get tired of losing this argument but I certainly wouldn’t want their arguments to go without response.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        All the liberals are doing is making her a more attractive candidate to everyone, as they ceremoniously attack her in a totally false and unreasonable matter. Let them attack. She is adding thousands to her followers everyday, as they see the left expose themselves for the hateful lepers they are, more so every day.

    • Wanda Murline

      My husband does not involve himself in the tea parties as I do and tries to remain open on debates and hear both sides, but he was very upset with the way Andrea Mitchell and the other alphabet news medias continued to blame conservatives and Sarah Palin for this autrocity. He had watched Sarah Palin’s video where she eloquently voiced her concerns of the rhetoric coming from the left and tried to give her personal condolences for this awful occassion. No sooner than the video was made, the left picked out one word “blood libel” and started running with it stating that she is now antisematic…against the jews. It is my personal opinion that you simply cannot talk to liberals…they have what my grandson has “selective hearing loss”…they only hear what they want to hear and nothing stops them from smearing other people without any evidence to the contrary. You are best to just let them rant and rave, because if you give them enough rope, they will hang themselves. (This is not stated as hate, just an expression)

      • jvr

        It’s good that someone here (Richard S) understands that “blood libel” is two words. But there are several problems with defending its use in the context of Ms. Palin’s video. Most importantly, she either doesn’t understand the historical context of these words or doesn’t care. “Blood libel” is a vicious form of antisemitism in which Jews are accused of using the blood of Christian children for religious purposes. Second, Ms. Palin is a public figure by her own choice and continues to maintain a high profile in political discourse. Most public figures know better than to accuse their detractors of libel because it is virtually impossible to prevail in such a claim because a public figure must prove not only that it is a statement of fact and not opinion, but also that it was made with “malice” (in the legal sense which is an extremely high standard precisely because of the First Amendment). So it was an ignorant and extremely poor and inappropriate word choice which did nothing to calm the rhetoric on both sides. Her use of the term “blood libel” was and is indefensible.

        • JUKEBOX

          The esteemed, liberal, Jewish, Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz does not agree with you.

          • jvr

            Tell me what the esteemed Professor Derschowicz actually has to say about this then.

          • JUKEBOX

            If you bothered to listen to the news or research it, you would know.

          • Vicki

            Trivial research project too. Just put “Alan Dershowitz blood libel” (without quotes) into google and get 41,000+ hits.

        • Vigilant

          What an idiotic interpretation of the term “blood libel.” This has nothing to do with legalistic distinctions of the meaning and the context within which she used it.

          Google the phrase and you’ll find it says “blood libels are false and sensationalized allegations that a person or group engages in human sacrifice, often accompanied by the claim that the blood of the victims is used in various rituals and/or acts of cannibalism.”

          Are you prepared to maintain that Gov. Palin used this in a literal sense? It’s called “a figure of speech,” and she was using it metaphorically, dummy!

          • jvr

            Great, you’re using Google as your authoritive source. That’s what the internet has done to people.

          • Vicki

            jvr says:
            “Great, you’re using Google as your authoritive source. That’s what the internet has done to people.”

            silly of us modern savages to actually use technology to research and find facts. How about http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/haventohome/timeline/haven-timeline_2.html

            You have a better source? Bring it.

          • Vigilant

            jvr,

            “Great, you’re using Google as your authoritive source. That’s what the internet has done to people.”

            No, I use it as a search engine. Is that the only response you can up with? And do you deny the definition of “blood libel?”

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          But they are guilty of libel, hand down, no doubt about it. They are falsely accusing her of something that she has nothing to do with. That kid had Gabby’s name written on a paper as his target 4 years ago, when Sarah Palin wasnt even a know person to the masses. She had nothing to do with it. I would bet the farm, that if they talked to him, he hadnt even seen a map with that district targeted, which was targeted for getting out republican voters in, and thats it. Dont try to change the facts here. And if he had seen the map, he wouldnt have even know that district was Gabby’s district. You on the left are doing nothing but trying to discredit her because the left knows that if she runs for president in 2012, she will win by a landslide. The dems right now know, that the Republicans screwed up in 2008, and ran the ticket backwards. If it had been Palin/McCain, we wouldnt have this fiscal mess we have today. And that sir, are the facts.

          • jvr

            This is the kind of distortion that gets repeated over and over on the internet. As far as I have heard, and I do listen and read closely, no one has said that Sarah Palin or anyone else except the shooter caused this tragedy. What I have heard and read is some think there is a climate of intolerance and hatred that may contribute in some generalized and indirect way to an unbalanced mind carrying out acts that others would not. Unlike some of you I actually listed to what Olbermann said and he referenced the fact that he himself has on occasion used inappropriate language. He apologized and asked others to acknowledge that the extreme rhethoric used by both sides should be toned down.

          • Vicki

            JVR writes:
            “This is the kind of distortion that gets repeated over and over on the internet. As far as I have heard, and I do listen and read closely, no one has said that Sarah Palin or anyone else except the shooter caused this tragedy.”

            Then perhaps you should open your ears or eyes and actually go to the links provided or do your own research. To get you started here is JUST one. Careful though. It uses the internet. There might be an echo.
            http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47620.html

        • Wlmitch1

          Here is a link to an article which quotes Left-leaning Harvard Law School Professor Alan Dershowitz and other Jewish Americans who defended Sarah Palin’s use of the term “blood libel”:

          http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/SarahPalin-AlanDershowitz-BloodLibel-ArizonaShootings/2011/01/13/id/382766

          THEY say that she used the term correctly.

      • kate8

        Wanda – The thing is, the Left is well aware that spewing hatred and blame toward the Right is ridiculous and untrue. But untruth is not an impediment to the Left. They have an agenda, and they must hit between the eyes and drive through the heart of conservative America while the emotion is high, and they must incite, inflame and ramp up while they can. Remember, the ends justify the means.

        You know the saying that to find the truth, follow the money. In this case, follow the legislation.

    • LeRoy Z.

      Jake, Chip’s article didn’t lay blame anywhere. It was critisizing the people playing the so totally ridiculous blame game! Or did I miss something??

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The blame game. Good point. How did Obama get elected. He pointed fingers and placed blame. He still just points the fingers and places blame. That is all the left wing liberals do, and now they have gone to far, in pointing fingers and placing blame where it is not due, and they are making themselves look really bad, and Sarah Palin is gaining thousands of new voters everyday, thank you very much. America see’s the assininity, if that is a word, of the lefts actions. And believe me, it is working against them in greater numbers than they can realize.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I agree totally, that it is neither political parties fault. Its not. The left disgusts me, but there is no way you can blame a one of them. This guy was whacked out, and thats it. And for a political party, such as the left, to jump up and start pointing fingers like they have, is just plain sick man. Its sick and sad and repulsive and revolting and vile and disgusting and disturbing all at once. This should never have happened, this finger pointing to try to gain political power. It stinks, and shame on the party that did this. Shame on them.

  • Attilla

    The leftist ideology that emanates from Karl Marx and various and sundry historical icons of tyranny have had the monopoly on the art of framing the debate. As the poulation educates itself on the real motivation behind those who would control liberal and all political thought leftisst are becoming unglued.
    Look for more violence and the effort by the media to spin any and all violence to suit the leftist political agenda. It is abundantly clear that the press has been infiltrated by those with the leftist agenda and is an organ of the Democratic/Leftist party.

    • Wanda Murline

      Actually, they are owned by George Soros…need I say anymore?

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda

        Wanda you certainly do not, how can you believe anything obama says when he made the laws for killing unborn babies easier then ever he has the blood of millions of babies on his hands but it probably does not bother him because I believe he has no soul. George Soros when he was just 14 had a hand in the extermination of his own people he is another hideous creature from hades, but his blood money goes far doesn’t it for cause of socialism!!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          One of the first things he did, was sign into law that we are now going to use our money to fund murdering babies in the wombs in third world countries. Your right, blood is on the hands of all the left on this baby murdering thing they support.

    • Firefly

      “It is abundantly clear that the press has been infiltrated by those with the leftist agenda and is an organ of the Democratic/Leftist party.” HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY SAY THAT? but it’s true! WHAT’S TRUTH GOT TO DO WITH ANYTHING? But some on the left really do believe that they know better than the average American and they should run things? WHAT’S WRONG WITH THAT? But when one side believes they are morally superior to the other and they also want to rule others it can be dangerous for the whole country? COUNTRY? THE AGE OF COUNTRIES IS PAST YOU FOOL! A HUNDRED UNIVERSITIES IN THE UNITED STATES WERE TEACHING THAT 25 YEARS AGO PREPARING US FOR THE NEW WAY OF THINGS. GET USED TO IT! But what about the Constitution? THE CONSTITUTION! THE CONSTITUTON! IT’S AN IMPERFECT DOCUMENT YOU IDIOT! IT WILL BE REPLACED WITH SOMETHING BETTER, NONE OF THIS INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS CRAP, ONLY THE GROUP COUNTS, THE UNION COUNTS. NO MORE INDIVIDUALISM. A WORLD WIDE UNION OF UNIONS, SOCIALISM OR FASCISM, IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. THAT’S THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE AND A SMART PERSON WOULD GET ON BOARD NOW. Guess I’m not that smart. DON’T WORRY! WE’LL TAKE CARE OF YOU. DOESN’T YOUR CONSTITUTION SPEAK OF A MORE PERFECT UNION? WELL, WE HAVE IT. EVERYBODY WILL BE EQUAL IN OUR NEW UNION. NO EXCEPTIONS. WE HAVE GOT SUCH WONDERFUL PLANS FOR YOU. WE REALLY DO LOVE YOU. WE WILL TEACH YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, WE ARE GOING TO ELIMINATE TAXES AND…How are you going to do that? BY ELIMINATING MONEY OF COURSE. OH, IT’S GOING TO BE GLORIOUS. JUST TRUST US! WE KNOW BEST. OUR COMBINED EDUCATION EXCEEDS THAT OF ANY GOD SO YOU DON’T NEED GOD ANYMORE. YOU’VE GOT US!

      • Papa

        Firefly appears to have come unhinged and to be totally deranged. I recommend medical treatment this individual at the earliest possible moment…

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Firefly was posting how the left wing liberals think. They do think of themselves as above all else. They know best for us, according to them. That is why they hate Sarah Palin and seek to destroy her. That is why they hate Glenn Beck and seek to silence him. That is why they hate Rush Limbaugh and seek to jail him. That is why they hate Sean Hannity and seek to silence him. They do not think anyone has the right to question their all knowing being. They hate it when they are exposed as a bunch of double talking liars, who take money from socialists like George Soros and own him many, many favors. These guys and Sarah expose them for the moral lepers that they are, and they hate them. Now they are stirring up nut jobs and want them to go hunt these guys down for them. The left are a bunch of haters, and they are inciting people to perform illegal and hateful acts. And when these people will act, they will distance themselves and blame someone else, and the national press, other than Fox News, will all give them a pass and never expose those who incited the hate. But Fox News will. And Rush will. And Glenn will. And Sean will. And Sarah will. That is why the left hates them so much, because they do not think the rest of us are smart enough to know the truth, and how dare these people give it to us. That is todays democrat party. A bunch of moral degenerates full of hate. And they have just proved it again in a big, big way.

        • Vicki

          Read Fireflys post again and think of it as 2 people with the caps being the liberal and the normal case sentences being the other person. The humor and satire are more obvious that way.

      • ValDM

        Firefly,
        I got it. But to further extrapolate, let’s see where this takes us. It has already become dangerous to disagree. Verbally dangerous, as we see. Like Santa Claus, they’re making a list and checking it twice to see how many of us that disagree can be eliminated, through various and sundry methods. First, by disagreeing, we are “racists and bigots”. Well, we can’t have that. By being racists and bigots, we are political opponents, which at a later date will probably make us political prisoners if we won’t/can’t shut up. If we still don’t shut up, you can bet the farm that we will be shut up (but secretly and quietly). You can take it from there, but the groundwork is being laid as we speak. Second, if we’re disagreeing and elderly, diabled, chronically ill: well, that’s a piece of the puzzle that’s already in place isn’t it? Obamacare neatly dovetails into this horrendous solution, if you take this to its logical conclusion. There are many such plans in the works, but you get my drift. Many will call me deranged or out of touch, but I read my Bible, and I know some of what the end-times will entail. Get right with God, for if you don’t, I can’t even imagine what your future will hold.

        • ValDM

          I wasan’t finished yet. Third, we’ll have the Christians. They will be the last dissenters, because they won’t submit to Islam, they, too, will have to be eliminated. It’s a “brave new world” isn’t it? I don’t care too much for getting slapped down for not agreeing with the direction this county is going. But, being a member of all three categories I’ve just described, I will be one of the first to go. Where do you fit in this scenario?

        • kate8

          Val – This a.m. as I was sending out emails, on the “sent” confirmation pate was a list of my recent contacts and a few paragraphs stating what they were emailing and facebooking about. I was shocked. If it’s that easy to sum up internet activity, then BigBro is compiling it also.

          I wouldn’t doubt that they are monitoring our blogs, as well.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Kate8–did you hear that an Indiana woman was arrested and charged with making threats against judges and other officials on Facebook? She ran for some kind of office and lost. Apparently she became rather vocal on Facebook. Yes, I imagine these blogs are read by “others”—the government, radio talk show hosts, MSM, FBI, CIA, etc.

  • BigBadJohn

    Sure seems to me Mr. Chip Wood is the real hate monger for trying to still up the kettle even more……

    • Bruce D.

      Chip is pointing out the facts. Telling the truth is something only the left finds hatefull.

      • eddie47d

        If the left is blowing smoke then point it out and if the right is blowing smoke then point that out too. If not then you are lost in your own truths and not the whole truth.

        • Bruce D.

          Whatever Eddie but I agree with Chip’s post.

      • BigBadJohn

        As they say around here
        Lock and load – wow maybe that’s where this kook got the idea????

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Why are you hating on Chip, because he writes about the truth? What is it with you guys on the left? No one is allowed to speak, except you. You can attack Sarah Palin, but she isnt allowed to defend or she is a hater? How do you live in such a false fake world? Chip writes and exposes things, and you call him a hater. How can this be? My gosh, what a sad, sad life you must lead.

  • http://Yahoo Sandy Archer

    Mr. Obama ( I refuse to call him President) showed his true self with his comment about the gun. Again his agenda is for America to go down and he seems to be getting his way. Especially, if we give amnesty to all of the illegals. How many of those do you think are rapists, murderers, or some type of criminal. He should know better than to allow anything illegal to happen to this Country but maybe it takes one to forgive one.

    • http://N/A H.D. Hemmings

      Great response. If one only take the time to google ” Cloward & Piven ” and then read for thirty minutes, they’ll see what the progressive liberals ( communists according to Cloward & Piven ) have wanted for years, the destruction of this great Republic. And, they have almost been successful with spending 5 trillon dollars in the past two years to, once again, comply with the Cloward & Piven strategy of overwhelming the government with massive amounts of welfare, food stamps, etc. Adding the illegals to this system, and the Obamacare system, will only aid them as they go about their planned destruction of the country. The country, as a whole, must educate the population about the background of the man in the White House, the Czars he has placed around him, and their sole purpose for being there. And, after educating our friends, neighbors, and relatives, we must register additional millions and go to the polls in waves in 2012 to rid ourselves of lying politicians from both sides of the aisle and restore financial sanity to the country.

      • Wanda Murline

        Absolutely. I wander how many signatures it would take to give to Congress to start the process of treason charges against Obama and Holder. Article IV, Section IV of the Constitution states that one of the FEW responsibilites of the federal government is to protect America from an invastion. Mexico has invaded this country with 12 million illegal inivaders, and instead of securing our borders and deporting the invaders, Holder and Obama filed a lawsuit agains our own countrymen…this in itself is a crime agains the people of the US, but they go even further…they are aiding and abetting the invaders. This needs to be looked into…our president needs to adhere to the Constitution and Holder needs to enforce the laws on the books of America.

        • eddie47d

          There are 2,000,000 legal Mexican American citizens living in Arizona and 453,000 illegals(the illegal number includes those with green cards). So some of those illegals have permission to be here. The lawsuit was filed to protect those legally here from being harassed in dragnets. All Americans should stand up for those rights and on the surface 1070 went to far. Gov. Brewer says it won’t lead to profiling so we’ll see how that works out.

          • independant thinker

            Hate to bust your bubble eddie but if you have a green card you are here legaly unless you overstay the terms set out on your card. Her numbers were about the US not just Arizona.

        • Vigilant

          Agreed, but sadly impeachment will never happen. Clinton committed a Constitutionally impeachable offense and was spared conviction because the morally bereft Democrats voted along purely political lines to save his bacon.

          The mid term elections failed to provide a 2/3 majority in the Senate required for conviction. On the contrary, the elections resulted in sweeping out the few moderate Democrats and left a hard core (but thankfully a minority) of socialists in legislative positions.

          • Vigilant

            Clarification: I was agreeing with Wanda, not eddie.

    • Louie

      I refuse to call obama president or mr. But you need to (get off) immigrants (Mexican) because they are about the only people in USA that will work a manual labor job. And they do pay taxes!

      • Wanda Murline

        Doesn’t matter…they are here against the laws of America. See how far you get entering Mexico without proper permission or any other country in the world for that matter. If they want to become citizens, then they need to do it the same way all immigrants have done in the past. If they do not respect our laws, then they do not respect America, and all should be deported. Once deported, they can apply for citizenship by coming here without breaking the law.

        • Vigilant

          You’re right, Wanda. Louie’s take on the problem is oh so typical of the left. Rule of law means absolutely nothing to them, yet it is the civic glue which has kept this country together for over 200 years.

          • Vicki

            and what taxes are they paying? Sales taxes?

        • Grandpa Ray

          Wanda, I certainly agree with all you have said. A lot of Americans
          seem to have forgotten what “illegal” means. Folks come here to
          excape oppression, corruption and a lot of other things.
          Problem his they bring all that bad stuff with them, and they
          don’t seem to want to change. People use to come to America
          to be Americans, that no longer is the case.

      • Laura Ayala

        Sorry Louie, you are wrong about illegals paying taxes. I was head of employee relations for years for a company that produced “AD posters for stores and such. I am the one who had to hire people and check out their backgrounds. It is the practice of illegals to give false identification(SS#’s) and claim the maximum of dependants which precludes them from having any deductions taken from their pay. They make the rounds of factories on one SS number, then start all over again with a new identity. Over the years I have caught many illegals doing this. I have turned them in to no avail. We are being invaded by Mexico and that Muslim we have in the White House is helping the invastion. Obama hates America and wants to bring it down. It would not surprise me in the least if he is not backed by extremist Muslims. He has very close ties with extremist Muslims. We have communists working in the White House under the guise of “Czars”. This country became the greatest country in the world because of our freedom, not because we agreed to be led like sheep and told what to eat, where to work, how much money can be earned, etc. Obama should be removed from office, tried as a traitor to this country and when found guilty, the proper punishment (by law) would be death. That goes for Reid as well. Open your damn eyes! He wants to be a dictator, not a President. I too refuse to call him by that title or any other beside traitor!

        • independant thinker

          All illegals pay some taxes either directly thru sales taxes or indirectly thru property taxes on their rent house. That said, there are many who do as you said or work strictly for cash and so do not pay any taxes on their earnings.

  • Harold

    O-Liarman is a classic example of.’The Joseph Goebbles’ propaganda team in the white house? and the news media. scum bags one and all. Their theme is ‘Bring down America with what ever means necessary.”

  • http://brmemc.net Stoky Umfress

    “Thanks, President Obama. You’re sure setting a wonderful example of calm, dispassionate, moderate leadership.”

    LISTEN TO OBAMA’S SPEECH IN TUCSON!
    He certainly did set an example of “calm, dispassionate, moderate leadership.”
    We need to get away from blame: right, left, President,
    and even Jimmy Carter.
    This country is so out of control. We must work together
    and compromise in order not to destroy the USA.

    • Mick

      Stoky Umfress says:
      January 14, 2011 at 7:23 am
      “Thanks, President Obama. You’re sure setting a wonderful example of calm, dispassionate, moderate leadership.”

      LISTEN TO OBAMA’S SPEECH IN TUCSON!
      He certainly did set an example of “calm, dispassionate, moderate leadership.”
      We need to get away from blame: right, left, President,
      and even Jimmy Carter.
      This country is so out of control. We must work together
      and compromise in order not to destroy the USA.
      &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&7
      &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
      Stoky …it’s all fine and dandy to call for togetherness but tell me how one with scrupules compromise with individuals with absolutely No moral values or distorted ones, that’s how America got here in the first place………..

      • TIME

        MICK,

        I Agree, when Double Standards are used as the normal protocol, then all standards have no value.

        Its is clear that many Americans can’t comprehend the push or nudge they get from the media, who get their clues based on “Thier political views,” and the “Politicl views being sold by the Political machine’s” aka – “Spin Doctors.”
        Spin is nothing short of what is commly known as “what Bulls leave behind.”
        When some of the persons in this country educate themselfs rather than allow others to form their opinions based on “who the winning team” may be.
        Only then can we have a change that will be positive in benifit to “all Americans,” rather than a small group’s who are forcing their views on all others.

        Saddly, aggressive Stupidity & the sound bite mind set are like kicking smoking.

      • Grandpa Ray

        Mick. Well said. America has been so blessed. I am dumb founded
        when I watch our useless media, who are absolutely expert
        at distorting the truth. It is mind bogeling what has happened
        to this country because of political correctness. We had an
        incident in our little town a while back. Our city council
        has prayer before every meeting. One person asked them to stop
        because it was offensive to here. That seems to be the mind
        set of those who have no morales. they seem to think the rest
        of us should be like them.

        • Vicki

          If NOT having prayer is offensive, can we have it back?

        • Mick

          Grandpa Ray says:
          January 14, 2011 at 10:26 am
          Mick. Well said. America has been so blessed. I am dumb founded
          when I watch our useless media, who are absolutely expert
          at distorting the truth. It is mind bogeling what has happened
          to this country because of political correctness. We had an
          incident in our little town a while back. Our city council
          has prayer before every meeting. One person asked them to stop
          because it was offensive to here. That seems to be the mind
          set of those who have no morales. they seem to think the rest
          of us should be like them
          &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

          &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

          Grandpa Ray……….. All of this evasion of moral values has created chaos in our nation, we have kicked good old fashioned reasoning to the side in the name of so called progress .
          Lies are now acceptable, murderers, rapes, theft and other misdeeds excused by our therapists,lawyers, judges, school officials on some so called early hardship basis, everything is free to the laze while the hard working stiff picks-up the bills and our society has been going along with this insanity for decades by voting for the idiots putting those policies in place so, what exactly does our Population expects from these politicians ? As long as it works for them and they keep their jobs they will continue on that path until America is completely destroyed, the terrorists or enemy nations won’t have to lift a finger, they just need little patience…As the Beatles song says “,It won’t be long….Yeah….yeah….yeah………………..

  • ImListening

    This completely blown out of reason by the left. It’s just one more horrible situation they have attempted to utilize in nudging their progressive agenda. It’s, “Wake Up America”, to what these low-life Socialists are doing to this Great Country. Call’em what they are. I’m now counting on an other election, 2012 to rid them from Power and go back to the Basics this great Country was founded on. The very Principles that made it great. And yes, Mr. Oboma, this is a Christian Country. It’s truly unfortunate, when we can no longer use our President as a Mentor or Role Model. The Chicago Gangster with his obvious love of Muslims and anti Christian dealings has all become too obvious. His selling out of our National Security and Bankruptcy Politics should be considered Treasonous.

    • lkar

      I agree with your sentiment. But the last time Republicans did anything of real value to our country was the original “Contract with America”. Even that was a dismal, watered down list of conservative solutions that amounted to little change in government control and spending. The current contract is even more drival that makes Repulicans feel good, but lacks any real solutions.
      Forgive me for saying this, but Obama is right. Our government needs fundamental change. It starts by letting politicians know that they serve “We the people” and not the big money lobby or the to big to fail banks! Vote them out and keep rotating through those willing to serve. Eventually we can find some that will seek the common sense solutions (which I believe to be very right leaning conservative solutions).

      • Bruce D.

        The Republicans have two years to prove themselves. They have only controlled one branch out of the three for a week and have been hampered on top of that with this tragedy. They should be judged on what they do or what they don’t do, not on what they haven’t even had a chance to do.

      • Mick

        lkar says:
        January 14, 2011 at 7:36 am
        I agree with your sentiment. But the last time Republicans did anything of real value to our country was the original “Contract with America”. Even that was a dismal, watered down list of conservative solutions that amounted to little change in government control and spending. The current contract is even more drival that makes Repulicans feel good, but lacks any real solutions.
        Forgive me for saying this, but Obama is right. Our government needs fundamental change. It starts by letting politicians know that they serve “We the people” and not the big money lobby or the to big to fail banks! Vote them out and keep rotating through those willing to serve. Eventually we can find some that will seek the common sense solutions (which I believe to be very right leaning conservative solutions).
        ********************************************
        lkar ……I forgive you for saying that Obama is right by saying our government needs fundamental change, the problem is ” WHAT DID HE REALLY MEAN BY THAT ?” and from where I stand, it Ain’t Looking good………..

  • Bitter Libertarian

    I believe if we could ask the Founders right now about the Situation in the US, they would undoubtly find fault in both left & right simply because BOTH disrespect the Constitution and the Principals of Liberty & Freedom!

    The left wants our guns and the right wants to stifle the rights of the lefts free speech to say they want our guns.

    The Left believes in the soverignty of the individuals right to abortion (the right to be wrong if you will) and the Right wants laws preventing a persons right to be wrong. I say its a moral issue that should not involve the Govt because once you involve a Goverment in a MORAL decision you are asking for disaster! The Disaster we have today.

    You cannot have it both ways…if YOU believe in Freedom, Liberty and the US Constitution then you need to respect peoples rights even if you dont like them or their beliefs. The culture of respect goes allot further then the culture of regulating everyones lives & morals with LAW.

    However this whole mess began years ago…when the moochers, misfits and parasites began clammoring for the Govt to help them and care for them. Then the “DO-GOODERS” felt compelled to please them for fear of looking bad and it hasnt stopped since then in one way shape form or another…

    • ValDM

      BL,
      You can’t have it both ways. LAW was originally given to us through the 10 Commandments. You can’t have a civilized society without God. Taking God out of the equation spells UNcivilzed society, just what we have now.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        You dont understand what I am talking about….I am not talking about taking God out of anything..NOWHERE did I say that.

        I am talking about the Framework of Laws that manipulate Just laws..Be clear that Just because there is a LAW does not mean it is a JUST LAW.

        The Laws I am referring to are the laws that take away from mans rights, and since I am not a Founding Father I’ll go with what the Original Founders went with. So when the right or left “want the other to stop talking (about something 1st, 2nd amendments)” Each side has a right to their opinion..they DO NOT have the RIGHT to make a LAW that takes away from that right. There is a Basic framework we all need to respect and that does not exist. For instance…Gay Rights is NONSENCE but not because thier gay but because they dont need special rights! They are human and they are entitled to inalienable human rights. Beyond that they can bugger off like the next mooch looking for special treatment.

        So if you are going to tell me I cant have it both ways you may want to be a bit more specific.

  • SonOfSam

    The days when a small handful of “elites” could dictate what the rest of us feel and think are OVER. Reckless and irresponsible Thought Police like Olberman, Krugman, Dupnik, Clyburn, Brady et al will rant and rage and act like finger pointing little crybabies strapped into month old diapers; it matters not at all. The temper tantrums of the ObamaNazi left will do nothing to prevent the rise of We The People.

    You cannot tell us what to feel or think or how to vote anymore

    • Wanda Murline

      Amen brother. I don’t intend to stop saying what I think.

  • Barb

    I’m totally with you Chip, 100%. But we need to heal this country and stop the blame game now! All of us!

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda

      Look we can play the blame game because the lying politicians have done all the harm to the country. They were voted in by people that believed them and they in turn laughed at us and they are stuffing all the money in their pockets, I will not take any responsibility in the fall of the USA IF PEOPLE HAD ANY SMARTS WE WOULD START THROWING OUT THE TRASH AND PICK PEOPLE THAT ARE AMERICAN THROUGH AND THROUGH WE DO NOT NEED SOCIALISM OK! WE NEED PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO SEE THAT OUR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN HAVE A COUNTRY LEFT TO LIVE FREE IN IT IS NOT OSAMA

      • David Fields

        What you really mean is, “Kick out all Politicians and elect ordinary citizens to replace them.” A simple concept now almost impossible to enable. Money has and always will be the deciding factor of who gets elected and who doesn’t.

      • http://59581@tds.net Bill Murphy

        You are so right,The American people who voted for a man that has never owned, managed a business made a payroll for his employees and never had an American birth certificate plus never served in his countries military, They got dupped. There is no one in his administration that has any common sese that I see.I think you should check out infowars.com it will enlighten you. I do not trust our Goverment and as long as this president holds power nothing will get better. Bill

    • Angel

      I AGREE with Barb!

    • http://deleted Claire

      Barb–I agree with you, but it will never happen.

  • Roy McFarland

    Jake you missed the point, you cannot get the people who are blaming you wrongly to rebuild anything with you until you prove them wrong. They will never change their tone as long as they think they are right and can destroy you in the process. Only when they agree that this was not a right or left nut case can you rebuild anything.

    • Bruce D.

      I agree Roy. You cannot rebuild on a foundation of lies.

  • Angel

    Leftist lie. It is a known fact. When conservatives defend themselves from the lies the leftists call that “smearing and vicious lying.” We will not stop speaking the truth until you stop lying. We are all wise to you.

    • JRC

      Do you remember the phrase “” Read MY Lips””?

      Nuff said about lying

      • Bruce D.

        Those three words probably cost him the election, but then again I was a fan of his.

        • Angel

          You are right, I also think that is what cost him re-election. I was a fan also until that incident. Have you noticed how many of the paid operatives are online today, trying to stir things up maybe??

          • Bruce D.

            Angel, ya the left is out in full force blowing a lot of smoke. It’s okay with me I understand the game their playing and you do too.

  • Randy B

    This is the most delusional crap I have seen in a long time. I cannot believe someone has as much hate in him as the author of this stuff. At a time when the vitriol is tearing this country apart Chip adds to it. After listening to the President the other night and then reading your manure, I freely surrender any conservative leanings I may have had. You elevate the disgrace of the right beyond “lock and Load”…beyond “armed and dangerous” and beyond “second amendment solutions”. It is right on a par with AZ tea party co-founder Trent Humphries declaring that the shooting of Giffords was her own fault because she had insufficient security.

    • Bruce D.

      Randy B, there is a lot of hate in your post. Try holding your breath for ten seconds before you post. It may help.

    • Shibamom

      Well Randy B., you aren’t very bright are you? The author is only pointing out the obvious that most normal Americans already see. As soon as this tragedy occurred, I knew that political finger pointing would begin and my intuition told me that the left would stike first…and guess what??? They did!! All the author did was point out that fact. Oh and by the way, you really should research some of the inflammatory remarks made by the president over the last two years. Things I had never heard a president say before. Don’t get me wrong, I am totally sick of all this BS, from both sides. All I want is for these spineless, finger pointing politicians to grow some stones and do what’s RIGHT for this country and it’s citizens! Stop bowing to our enemies, belittling and chastizing us, and exercise some real common sense to get our country back on track…AND TO NOT TURN US INTO A COMMUNIST COUNTRY!!!!!

      • eddie47d

        Nixon and Agnew said disparaging things too. Obama doesn’t have them beat and by a long shot.

  • http://yahoo jeff

    Chip Wood is referencing statements made by avowed leftists I.E. Olberman, Krugman et. al. made within 2 hours of the horrendous shooting which took place in Arizona. They blamed the Right, Sarah Palin, FOX news commentators, Rush Limbaugh and the Tea Party activists for inspiring this maniacal person to perform these murders. At best these accusations are slime from slime.

    Wake up left. Because you disagree with someone’s opinion doesn’t mean you should smear them to the lowest extent you can muster up.

    • Shibamom

      If we’re not careful and these lefties get their way, ALL of us will loose our free speech rights. Actually, we’re kind of there now, aren’t we?

    • eddie47d

      jeff; Ann Coulter has said things that would put Olbermann into sainthood.So don’t flatter yourself and yes Olbermann can be obnoxious.

  • Jwoop

    To call the left out for unfairly accusing the right of inciting violence is not the same as the right expressing some facts. The facts are; even when asked, nobody can come up with examples of the right saying anything hateful. Words like targeting are used by both sides and are common metaphors in the US. The left, however has been using these same tactics for decades. The right has been called fascists and nazis for as long as I can remember. The NAACP only months ago was confronted a number of times to back up its allegation that the tea party was racist. They could not back up any of their accusations. The left will continue to make false accusations as long as it works for them. The only way to stop it is to call them on it when they do it.

    • eddie47d

      Jwoop; What a sheltered life you must live. “nobody can come up with with examples of the right saying anything hateful”. Ann Coulter says “the best way to talk to liberals is with a baseball bat” or “McVeigh should have done it to the N.Y. Times building” or “Bill Clinton should have been assassinated”. Don’t worry there is plenty of slime to go around for everyone no matter which side you are on.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        I agree 100%.

  • Beardone

    Comparing yourself to the risks our founding fathers took in terms of lives, fortunes and personal liberty is the most ridiculous gross misstatement I have ever read. Evidently you do not understand the risks they took and or have a serious mental disorder or both.

    • Bruce D.

      Actually I thought that the best part of Chip’s post. I found it inspirational. Why the hate?

  • George R. Horn

    Too often we forget what is said by both sides of the political isle. Both parties have vitriolic statements made. Both parties have used crosshairs as political statements. The verbiage used by almost all in politics is inflamatory. Six people died, six of our citizens, why the shooter did this will probably never be truly known. I look at the things said and say to myself, what is wrong with people they always want to blame someone other the the one who is to blame. They focus on the child since most of us Love children, what about the other five, don’t they matter. Is it the fact that these people were older, don’t they deserve to be honored also, I sure think so. I am happy to see that the Representative is responding well, we can all pray that she will have little residual damage. The President in my opinion is a very poor one, maybe even worse than Carter. Whatever his agenda, as citizens we need to pay attention to whatever he proposes and make sure we contact our Reps and Senators, voice your opinions, hold them accountable. God Bless America

    • Shibamom

      Well said George! Probably one of the most level-headed comments I’ve seen here for a little while.

  • http://BobLivingston Victor

    How about laying the blame where it rightfully belongs? If all politicians weren’t such damned liars to begin with none of this would have happened. The “spin doctors” can spin all they want but Americans know whose really at fault here. It’s not the LEFT or the RIGHT…not the Democrats or the Republicans but ALL politicans who have blood on their hands now. We are watching history in the making here and the end of an entire political process! To be sure, changes will be made and more of our freedom will be forever lost! Just like those that were lost after 9-11 this will change the landscape of America!

    • Shibamom

      Yeah Victor, sadly I believe you are 100% correct.

    • http://deleted Claire

      Victor–My sentiments exactly.

  • Joe

    Hi Kieth! Love your pointy nose. I love it when you act all mean a nasty. Are you into S&M? I’ll bet you have pictures of Michael Vick from the dog beating days! Heil hitler!

    • LiarsMustBeDefeated

      Could you identify a bald-face lie? Can you spell Keith?

  • Alan

    I wish we could just ignore the MSNBC cabal and its like minded propagandists, but, to treat them like petulant children who are throwing a tantrum seems only to embolden the progressive hate mongers in their fetish of contrary vitriol. Worse, if they are ignored, them seem to only engage deeper in their fetish of whatever it is which afflicts them. The only recourse is to press on in the name of the mandate handed up by the voters in November.

  • Defender of Patrick Henry

    Baloney. oops is that a swear word now? No, this effort to handcuff Freedom of Speech won’t work in the USA. The socialists, communists, anti-America North American Union workers who push away our borders, atheists, are all haters of our Constitution and our freedoms and few will ever publicly identify themselves with their true titles… because we would hold them in that classification and boot their butts out of our government. They aren’t going to sit down and be nice. Do you buy what Obama said? Smack smack. Wake Up!! The purpose of his speech was all about himself. How many times did the Organizer mingle himself with his words, disappearing himself into the crowd of Americans, brainwashing the viewers to see him as an American, who has the qualifications to hold the job as President. He wants you to stop saying he is not qualified according to our Constitution, to be President. He is a con artist, a liar, and laughing at all of us because he has supporters who have lam basted this country into shutting up and being AFRAID to demand his records. Civility is earned, it is not a guarantee of the Constitution… but overthrowing politicians who want to rule instead of serve, is in the Constitution. The speech was a giant blanket to smother the flames of rebellion against his usurping our Presidency. What he has done is to block legal attempts to gain access to his records by convincing “us” that those lawyers are the troublemakers, are not cooperating with his call for civility. Here’s a suggestion. Constitutional Americans have formed themselves together in their common principles and titled their group Tea Party. The anti-Americans like socialists, commies, etc., never “come together” to express their common principles under a group title. Let’s give them one. The Elitist Movement. If you are afraid to call a commie a commie now, then just say the perp is a member of The Elitist Movement. That way when they individually stab the Tea Party, your response can identify Mr/s. Politician, Mr/s. Journalist as part of The Elitist Movement.

    • Shibamom

      I LOVE YOUR POST!! You are so right. Obama wasn’t there to honor the dead. He was there to campaign for 2012 only, nothing more. After all, he and his cronies have a lawsuit pending against AZ over the immigration issue…remember? I couldn’t even bring myself to watch not out of disrespect to those who lost their lives but because I honestly cannot watch this lying con-man that is destroying my country! I really can’t believe that these politicians don’t get it that we are all on to them and their BS!

    • Dale Weaver

      DefEnder
      These People {If you can call them people} are nothing but a bunch of mindless control freeks that that are out of control, who think they are biger, better, smarter and know more of how to run your life than you do. Its all about control and what they want and they don’t give a hoot about anyone else

    • eddie47d

      D.P.H. The “elitist Movement”? That goes far beyond those you tried to poke at. If that movement was a boat the Republicans would have it capsized and sinking before you could yell cheese whiz! Both sides have made big mistakes so don’t you get it?

  • LiarsMustBeDefeated

    Keep telling the truth. It will be heard by those who listen. How can those be helped that do not listen? They can not. Be a listener. AND speak out for TRUTH.

  • Rob

    They say that Lookey tunes were violent cartoons! Olberman, Matthews, Maddow and all the rest of these low viewer, high self opinion, semi fascist [until it becomes reality and then they can [drum roll please] George Bush, poor excuses for humans in a free society. You know I had thought of using a derogatory comment and relaized i don’t have to, this is who these people are? I say while the progressive left is busy trying to pass legislation to control the internet, we conservative / libertarians should work on laws outlawing Bullying! this way whenever they open thier mouths they break the law. pardon my french but that would surely (offensive word removed)them up!

  • Defender of Patrick Henry

    Another thing. If you are heart broken about the murder, and that’s what is was, of a little girl, and have flags flown and huge memorial services for her and others we lost, how about putting away the kleenex now and helping rescue a little boy kidnapped at age 7 from his school in Oregon on June 4, 2010. If you’ve seen pix of his mom throughout this horror she and Kyron’s dad look like they are on the verge of losing their minds. How about helping, how about writing and calling the Multnomah Sheriff that we expect him to do HIS job and bring in professionals to rescue the kid from the terror and pain he is undoubtedly experiencing from his captors which are thought to be child pornographer and pedophile ring. How about some help to rescue little Kyron who is watching and praying for you Christians especially, to come get him. Let O keep his Change and Civility Call, and let us call for the Fight to rescue Kyron. No, I’m not a relative, personal friend, and haven’t met anyone in that family. Just an American Woman who has not had phone calls or messages on the Sheriff’s “tip” line acknowledged. No way to run a business… or keep a job IMO.

    • Shibamom

      Sadly, that “thing” in the white house will NEVER go out of his way to help this little boy…unless, of course, he’s hispanic or african american OR he can use the situation to his advantage. Mr. O doesn’t care about anyone but himself!!

      • eddie47d

        Come back when you can show a little honesty Shibamom. There were 876,213 child kidnappings in the US in 2010. (mostly from their own parents). So how many of those cases should President Obama be involved in? You might have a warm heart but a cold mind.

        • Defender of Patrick Henry

          Eddie and Shibamom, no, O will do nothing for Kyron or anyone except his controllers and himself. I think the push for the health program is payback to some corporate types who back him and own many many businesses in US and other countries. Thanks to his healthcare, the corporates will drop all the messy payouts and paperwork involved in benefits for employees. That means mega bucks for those corporates. Re children: Not dealing with parental abductions in this, if the kids are safe… might be the only way to protect them in some cases. Sad but true. Little Kyron is just one, but some people think that powerpeople are protecting the ones who have him, that many believe the step mom sold him to. Political involvement? Quite possible. Check out the Nebraska case of the pedophile ring of a few years ago, under cover of a Franklin Credit Bureau. Guy who sang Star Spangled Banner at some national events was apparently involved. There is a book about it, and politics is mentioned. Americans are rewarded now with proof that our Town Halls, our calling and writing our Representatives and Senators does at least stir the stew and has taken a few out of the mix by last elections. It’s called pressure cooker voting. Would be nice if huge numbers of Americans would contact the Multnomah Sheriff’s office and express pressure cooker concern and that professionals must be called in to rescue Ky and not let the search/case go cold as is anticipated in February. Make them round up the bad ones and save Kyron. Yes, this does fit in with the principles of this site, it’s about being a good American and protecting our treasures and acknowledging that our children are our most valuable treasure. Start with this one, and remember the ones we’ve lost to these monsters, and push for more laws and systems that explicitly protect children.

  • wally

    Obama on ACORN supporters: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
    Obama to supporters: “Hit Back…… Twice As Hard”
    Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun.”
    Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
    Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ##### to kick.“
    Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
    Obama to liberal supporters: “It’s time to fight for it.”
    Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
    Obama to Democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

  • aman

    Left…right…What’s the difference? Both are criminal organizations. Here’s proof; Ever since the liars…I mean Lawyers, infiltrated our political system that marked the beginning of the end. The 13th amendment prohibits any lawyer still associated with the BAR from serving in government. Look it up for yourself. But you won’t find it; it was removed mysteriously decades ago.

    The Missing 13th Amendment
    Aug 1, 1991 … Since 1983, Dodge and Dunn have uncovered additional copies of the Constitution with the “missing” 13th Amendment printed in at least …
    http://www.w3f.com/patriots/13/13th-01.html – Cached – Similar

  • Richard Medlock

    Sarah, Glen and Rush are responsible for the climate of hate – that has been what they do. Their is no truth in what they say only bullet point rehtoric that causes the uninformed to hate – the other tribe.

    Keith Olbermann is very independent in his thinking and always tells the truth. He tells you when he is making an opinion as he sees it. The truth is hard to take for conservatives because their only goal is get get corporations on their side. Keith criticizes Obama as much as he did Bush. (Not quiet as much but Obama dosn’t deserve quiet as much – he did keep Summers so maybe he does.)

    Fox news, compared to Keith, is just propaganda for republicans. It has played the main roll in creating the climate of hate in addition to the above mentioned. And Fox is owned by a Austrailian! I never heard a criticism of Bush from Fox or from 99% of conservatives in congress. They work as a tribe!
    Yet it Bush, as history will show, who has destroyed America. A rich kid failure who was appointed by the supreme court his father
    appointed.

    The only way to save our country is with a constitutional amendment that prohibits anyone in government from accepting favors or money from and organization. Individuals only may contribute to Campaigns and to a limit of current $2200. And, that should include the candidate. And, all lobbying must be done in the sunshine!

    We absolutely need a few really good socialist programs in this country like Dennis Kuchinich would design but we also need to get with some of Ron Pauls ideas.

    That is wwhy I call myself a Progressive/Libertarian.
    Wake up you Tea Party conservatives you have been dupped by those corporatist you really hate.

    Richard

    • Ted

      So Richard, as a seemingly proud progressive, can you please explain how you can justify the political progressive agenda when the US Constitution which stipulates limited federal government seems to (in my reading) wholey oppose.
      I am also curious how any true american does not seem to understand what “congress shall make no law” really means regarding the first and second amendment. Correct me if I’m wrong but destroying these fundemental and basic rights IMO is part of that progressive agenda.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Ted,
        as a proud american progressive, I’ll jump in. You are making a lot of ass-umptions about progressives. Unlike the Tea party movement, I am not against government. I think we should be proud of our republic and it’s democratic principles. But you can’t run a country of 300 million people and 50 states without a government. What I am against is the corruption in govt which is directly related to corporate money. We vote people in and they do the bidding of their biggest donors which are always corporations. And the Supreme Court has just made sure that this will be now more so than ever.

        The FDA should protect us instead of working for the big agra industrial complex and the drug industrial complex.

        The EPA should protect our common wealth environment air, water and soil instead of being on the side of the corporate polluters.

        The MMS Minerals Mgt who is responsible for the second largest revenue collection after the IRS should be working for us instead of partying with the oil companies.

        I could go on but I think you get the point.

        I am sorry but more deregualtion is only going to make the rich richer. It’s not going to help the middle class which is what drives consumer spending which is what drives the economy.

        Deregulation gave us the financial collapse and the BP spill. You want more of that go ahead and deregulate some more. Some people need a lot more pain before they get it.

        Government or the structure of govt is not the problem. Corruption directly linked to corporations is the problem. They are supposed to be working for us.

        The other point often missed is that Americans work for the govt. They are not all enemies and they all deserve jobs as well. Unless you don’t care and want to add to the unemployment rate which will then bring the economy further down.

        It’s all connected.

        • Ted

          Eric I thank you for your valid points for discussion. At last someone who provides cogent arguments. However you did not address my points though I recognize that I was asking Richard for his response.
          I guess I would start my response to you with the overall size and scope of government and its lack of Constitutional legitimacy. I completely disagree with your assertion that the tea party is anti-government, my view of the tea party is a call for returning the government to the Constitutional restrictions to which it is leagally bound.
          You have also brought up many issues whith which I did not mention at all and I find no reason to respond. I never argued asgainst the necessity of having a government, but simply a small one based on our existing Constitution.
          I basically asked two questions the first is the size of government and the progressive agendas reach to ignore the constitution and overreach its authority without a national deabate by machivillian methods and deception over the will of the people.
          the second was to ask if you agree that progressives have the right to restrict my freedoms and liberty founded in our constitution by manipulating the political process thru corruptive menas to take away those rights and freedoms. Obama and his agenda claim not to be ideological yet all his appointments and policies are directely attacking my freedoms and liberties.
          If you beleive in the Constitution, do you agree that I have the right to freedom of speech and the right to bear arms? Because if you do agree then I would not lump you in as a true progressive. This is how I identify the progressive movement as a group that does not beleieve in the Constitution. So I would ask you and all to explain how many of the policies I see proposed from the left align with our Constitution. Only after that is discussed can we move forward with details. If policies do not align with our founding documents in spirit as well as in fact how can we continue to debate.

          • Eric Bischoff

            So the question is what is the right size for govt? And what do we cut. Bloated defense spending and huge subsidies to undeserving industries like corn that ends up giving us a subsidized food industry that increases our healthcare costs coupled with NAFTA that wiped out the agrarian societies of Latin America which spiked up our immigration problem. Or do we cut services to the most needy? There is a lot to put on the table and debate honestly and intelligently.

        • Bitter Libertarian

          I agree with almost everything Eric. The only thing different IMHO is deregulating small business. The Big Boys have the financial power to cope with regulations, whereas a small business owner that has to deal with the same regulations often suffers..

    • liza

      OMG….your comments are so stupid and illiterate, the don’t even deserve comment…go back to your communist/socialst hole and leave the rest of us alone

      • eddie47d

        Debate his comments and come back with a more relevant answer.

        • JeffH

          …practice what you preach…

        • eddie47d

          You’re still a nutcase Jeff and that is a very truthful and Relevant answer.

          • JeffH

            Prove it eddie…prove it. Your rhetoric is old and stale…so I’ll say again…practice what you preach!

          • eddie47d

            Well Jeff you’ve practiced being a jerk for so long you don’t know how to behave any other way.

          • JeffH

            eddie, name calling again…another great defensive move…again.

    • http://59581@tds.net Bill Murphy

      The left has been dupped, How could you elect a man President that has neve managed, made payroll,or owned a business, never served in the military. That is why he has made so many mistakes Running our country. Check out the following site. infowars.com It may help you understand what is comming to America.

      • Eric Bischoff

        The same way you could elect a B Movie actor or a failed businessman as in W.

      • BobbyB

        As opposed to W who wrecked every business he had given to him and ducked his military obligations?

  • Tazio2013

    From “word4ce.com/freemarkets”:

    Another piece of insanity is the rush to label this bozo as somebody who attempted assassination. This term is useful only as a historical distinction – it has no proper legal value in a rational society. Somebody who commits murder is already the lowest of the low, and should properly be executed. Whether a perpetrator murders one victim, or two, or twenty, is irrelevant as the judge and jury deliver the verdict. The result of murder – in a rational society – is execution, speedy I might add (after a reasonable waiting period for appeal and any potentially mitigating circumstances to become known).

    This perpetrator, due to the overwhelming evidence and mounting testimony against him, should be tried and convicted within the next couple of months. He may appeal, I suppose, but it should be granted and scheduled in record short time, so that we, Society, don’t have to waste any further resources keeping this sick dog alive.

    Wolf Blitzer, and any other talking head or analyst at CNN or Mainstream Media outlet who believes that because Zippy’s targeted victim is a legislator that the crime should be given the heightened status of “attempted assassination,” is an idiot. This is an insult to the other victims, dead and alive, as well as to all of us, citizens of equal standing in the United States of America. The lovely, and I hope healing, legislator who was the primary target is no more and no less worthy of protection by our government. Her life is worth no more and no less than yours or mine.

    The Mainstream Media love to whip up a frenzy, though, so I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised that Wolf and company did this. Attempted murder and murder are not heinous and extreme enough for them; they need to throw gasoline on the fire and promote the evil of the crime to assassination.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    obummer usedcombative terms while running for president he has divied this country.

  • Howard R Gray

    Moments after the shooting leftists were angling to place responsibility on the right and republicans. You might think this is a knee jerk act, hold your horses Sparky, is this true? Heavy hitters like Paul Krugman may have a simple but practical agenda in all this to deflect responsibility from the left.

    Remember the left is intellectually on the run, the last election and the ones before it are a sign of the future for these people, they are losing and they know it. So what do they do? On a purely practical or pragmatic level they seek any news story that can be flipped and promptly use it. The Tucson shootings proved to be just that sort of event but there is a more to it.

    The shooter, at best, is a leftist of one sort or another. He seeks totalitarian ideas that can be divined from his reading list i.e. “The Communist Manifesto” and “Mein Kampf” both hardly libertarian tomes. If you saw this man’s ex girlfriend’s comments you might believe he isn’t mad at all. If so, the whole matter is much more serious, the lone nut job theory just isn’t the case. Enough about the shooter, what about the left?

    The left have a tradition of violence back to the French Revolution, Jacobins and the like have never had a problem with violence nor do modern leftists either. The feature of the war of words here is more about avoiding blame and putting it on republicans and conservatives as soon as possible to avoid the more obvious point that the shooter, especially if he is sane, is a man of the totalitarian left. In short by attacking the right these leftists have managed to avoid the obvious conclusion that the assassin is a socialist, more likely than not, and one of them. Given the left is on the run, to have an assassination of a Blue Dog Democrat on their hands would be a true calamity. Savvy lefties knew exactly what was up within hours and went into gross protection mode to avoid any taint of the left by this appalling event. They succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. The target was to avoid blame and that they have done.

  • RichardS

    Blood libel isn’t one word, it’s two. Blood as “in the shedding of innocent” and libel as in someone is “legally responsible for” or at least trying to pin it on you. I thought Sarah’s response was justified and cogent to anyone who understands vocabulary. Looks like public education has let us down once more.

  • Wildcat from Dallastown, PA

    It was incredibly stupid for the Pima County Sheriff, Dupnik, to make similar claims shortly after the tragedy in Tucson and equally asinine for Olbermann (the Yale Lock School graduate) and NYT’s Krugman to continue their rants even after conservatives called “BS” on that illogical line of almost thinking.

    Did anyone else notice that Obama did not come out with his, “The Pima County Sheriff acted stupidly…” statement like he did concerning the Cambridge police when they arrested the professor from Harvard that eventually ended in a “beer summit”? He failed to have the facts then and sure didn’t have them upon hearing of the shooting so why did he not come out with his usual idiotic statement?

    Frankly, the Pima County Sheriff, Dupnik, is past his “sell by” and “use by” date relative to any law enforcement role. He apparently should have been shinning his seat in a rocking chair long ago based upon his recent performances.

    Now however is not the time to compromise with Democrats to move forward but to maintain course on the conservative agenda focused on remedying the horrendous legislation and problems created by the Democrats in the House, Senate and Executive branches collectively and foisted upon the American citizens. You don’t accomplish that by compromising your principles and giving up more freedoms and liberties such as free speech and the right to bear arms to allegedly get us turned as needed for the huge course correction this country needs. When our conservative leaders (in and out of office) come armed with undisputed facts and plans based upon those facts tempered with cogent reasons focused on actually solving existing and emerging problems the liberals of all parties will have to stand down as their Saul Alinksy tactics should no longer be productive.

  • Eric Bischoff

    I could have written this piece for Chip or Ben. They are so predictable.

    It’s obvious from most of the comments here that this crowd has been smoking the Fox, Glenn Beck, Hannity, O’Reilly crack pipe for too long and a s result you are now incapable of distinguishing truth and facts from massive propaganda.

    Mark my words, Rupert Murdoch and his Fox machinery of high paid nitwit liars is the real enemy of America. They are the ones fomenting hate, inciting and activating lone wolves. They know exactly what they are doing. They know that this is a much cheaper way than the Manchurian candidate.

    O’Reilly kept after Tiller until Roeder killed him. There is a pattern.

    Bachman, Palin, Angle and many others are also using these tactics. They won’t do the killing themselves but they will incite and when it finally happens these hypocrites pretending to be good Christians will put you in their prayers and act all surprised.

    The extreme right are the ones that have been fomenting violence, they are the ones using the code language that they know is a call to arms for the nut jobs killers like Jim David Atkinson, Scott Roeder, Richard Poplawski, James Wenneker von Brunn, should I go on….

    Is it really a surprise to you that the extreme right TV and Radio hate machine is the one that attracts the white supremacists, the anti-semites, the dark skin haters, the mysogenysts and the homophobes? I know It must be a coiincidence. You are not like that are you?

    In case you haven’t noticed, usually the progressives far from being perfect or innocent are not really into guns or discriminating.

    Chip Wood and Ben Crystal are part of that hate machinery.

    Many of you are all in denial and you can’t face your part in this. You yell fire and then act all surprised when there is stampede and people die.

    We all have a part in this madness.

    Shame on you if you can’t face up to it.

    • Ted

      I humbly disagree whith your assertion that the right is equally at fault for formenting any hate. As an independant myself and a total patriot and ardent constitutionalist, I see the progressive/liberal left manipuliating the political discourse and attempting to manipulate the naive masses. The liberal media and the so called educated elite are complicit. Why are we not having a national discusion about the US Constitution in this country. I’ll tell you why, because if we did the left would defenseless.
      Also why don’t they just come out and say that they are communists/socialists, for that is what the progressive agenda really amounts to. Socialism has been historically proven to be a failed ideology.
      What I see from the right is a cry to wake up america and restore this great country to always err on the side of freedom.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Ted,
        I am afraid that you are the one with the blinders on.

        • Ted

          My how completly condencending was your response.
          Why are we not having a discussion (nationally even) on the US Consitution?

      • eddie47d

        Eric you are so right and this Ted dude wants Democrats to openly admit they are communists. Why would they admit something that is not true. That is more inflammatory remarks from a righty. They want to play the Inquisition game where they put “heretics” on the rack and tortured them into confessing their allegiance to God. I may be a Christian but I wish the right would stop throwing false accusations around about other people. If they think the left is so evil then why do they practice so much of it themselves?

        • Ted

          Hey Eddie, if it walks like a duck…

          • eddie47d

            Stop Quacking me up!

          • JeffH

            eddie, now I have to admit I did like that one…
            “stop quacking me up”

        • ValDM

          Confessing they are socialists is a great way to begin. Think they aren’t socialists? Socialists promote relying on the gov’t. If relying on the gov’t isn’t welfare, healthcare, alphabet soup agencies regulating the very life out of us, what is?

        • Ted

          Eddie, I thought my comment was obvious sarcasism. But please enlighten me how socialist policies do not amount to socialism.
          And basically socialism is communism by any other name.
          My point is that much of the policies promoted by the left are throwing the Constitution under the bus, for the percieved better good. Of course this is always the argument in support of socialist policies.
          It was Margaret thatcher that said “the problem with socialaism is that eventially you run out of other peoples money”.
          Again why are we not having the discussion on the US Constitution in this country. How about even here where so far all my queries on the subject have been ignored.

          • Ted

            It seems only the crickets will respond to the points I made…

          • Eric Bischoff

            The first thing weshouldl agree to do is reframe the word socialism. It has nothing to with communism or marxism. Just look at the root of the word social or relating to society. That is us. We should all come first. We should not erroneously be fearful of a word that has been corrupted just like the word liberal which merely means open minded has been corrupted. These are things we should be proud of. If some of you would travel more you would see how far we have slipped. You would realize that therer are many democratic socialist countries and people are not up in arms with their govt.

            I am for Capitalsim with a soul. One that merely puts people and the environment before only profits. People must be paid a fair living wage, and corporations must stop raping, pillaging and polluting the earth as fast as they can before there isn’t anything left for the next generations.

            There was a time when this country was doing great and one person worked and the other raised the children and they got a pension they could retire on. Reagan made sure that would end and look at us now.

            Sorry but there isn’t one example anywhere of successful trickle down economics. It’s all been a sham. That is what has destroyed this country and it’s working class. That and deregulaion, free trade, globalization, the Fed, the IMF and the World Bank.

            This mess didn’t start 2 years ago it started 40 years ago.

          • eddie47d

            Thanks Eric,I was busy this afternoon.

          • Defender of Patrick Henry

            Ted, they can’t win. Constitution is ours and will remain ours. Socialists and Commies are mixed up souls. Not proud of themselves. They hate to be called by their political names. They are elitists, arrogant, me first’ers, and as individuals they get testy when referred to as Socialists, Commies, etc. They try to peel themselves away from each other in their ignorant fantasies of elitism, claiming one has more value than the other. All can be lumped as The Elitist Movement. Funny how O is easing passage to and from Cuba to help Castro. It would be wonderful if the unhappy Socialists and Commies that hate our system so much would be the first to go to Cuba, be happy and stay there. Maybe some good ol’ enterprising American travel agency could do a promo with one-way discount ticket specials for Socialists and Commies here: Don’t worry, be happy… go to Cuba and stay. Problem with this Change by O, is that we will have tons of Cubans wanting to move here… now why would they want to leave their Commie Heaven? The proof of the pudding is in the tasting. Go Figure. Nite all, been nice chatting with you.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Margaret Thatcher—oh to have someone like her running for office here in the US.

        • JeffH

          I’ll make this easy…Eric is nothing but a commie. Call yourself a “modern” progressive all you want…you’re still a commie!

      • Eric Bischoff

        I’ll tell you what. you stop making erroneous ass-umptions that the progressive left are communists marxists and I won’t reply that you must be a fascist.

        • eddie47d

          Jeff has a warped mind and Lucifer got ahold of his tongue so ignore his devilish ways.

          • JeffH

            eddie, if you weren’t such a dim-wit you’d have no wit at all.

    • Bruce D.

      Eric Bischoff says: In case you haven’t noticed, usually the progressives far from being perfect or innocent are not really into guns or discriminating.
      If the left is not into discriminating why all the hate toward the elderly and the middle class people in the Tea Party? Why all the insults against Christainity?

      • Bruce D.

        Also Eric, why all the hate in your post if it is something you are against.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Bruce
        Christians acting or claiming insult from anyone who does not hold the same mythical beliefs is not proof of an actual insult. You”ll notice the same behavior from extreme Muslims from something as innocuous as a cartoon.

        The right on the other hand seems to have a pattern of making accusations without anything to back it up as you have just done. I’ve just listed many names and showing a pattern and all you did was attacked me without any proof at all.

        Hate for the middle class and the elderly, you have to be kidding me.

        The right also seems to be very confused about who the real progressive left is and almost always confuses plain centrists with the left.

        You also claim that the mainstream media is this and that but you are incorrectly excluding Fox which is the biggest, most watched therefore most powerful force of mainstream media.

        • Bruce D.

          Eric says: “You also claim that the mainstream media is this and that but you are incorrectly excluding Fox which is the biggest, most watched therefore most powerful force of mainstream media.”
          What are you talking about Eric? Go back and read my post. The problem with your facts is that you make them up.

          • eddie47d

            Eric is correct Bruce and you are the confused one.

          • Bruce D.

            You really can’t take the high road on that one Eddie. You are not really in a position to make that call with what I have seen coming from your posts.

          • eddie47d

            You’re still confused Bruce.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      Bill Oriley is an obnoxious pompas ass. I cannot stand how fricking rude he is…

  • aman

    I just have one last comment. Not that it will make any difference.

    People on this comment site are true examples of CONDITIONING! If you belong to a political party i.e. Republican or Democrat you have been misled and are being led to the slaughter. Most egotisical political morons equate politics with gladiator type sports e.g. football teams. Forget Obermann,Matthews, etc. They’re pitcmen and no different than O’Reily, Limbaugh, and Beck. Simply put Political parties are just like condoms. It gives you the feeling of security while your getting F_ _Ked…up the backside!

    • Bitter Libertarian

      Agree.

  • TOCB

    I am pretty liberal but I have never read either of those books. Dollars to dougnuts this kid hasn’t either. But that is enough for conservatives to say he is a lefty. Never mind that he SAID he was upset with Giffords because she voted for HCR. Never mind that he stalked her at several rallies. Now, the right claim he attended those rallies out of admiration for her. Surrrrrrrrrrre. I can’t wait until some rap artist does a rap song about how “conservatives should be killed” and a deranged person acts it out and conservatives attempt to place the blame on the rap artist, when we ALL know the shooter is soley responsible.

  • Dale Weaver

    Has any one bothered to check to see if Jeremy Leochner was ever on mind altering drugs, they have been linked to suicides and violant actions in our young children. If he was than the blame belongs soly on the FDA, School Boards and our Government. Check it out

    • ImListening

      lol…. Haha…. Yes, lets start looking for reasons and excuses why someone can kill and maim others and let live. The only finger pointing here is at the one that pulled the trigger. No one made him do it. He’s to be held responsible, liable and needs to pay the ultimate penalty for such a heinous crime. And if your going to defend him, your as bad as he is…. SICK…. And that’s no excuse.

    • Eric Bischoff

      I am more interested in the interview of one of his girl friends who claims he may be faking insanity as his own defense.

      • libertytrain

        He suddenly has an awful lot of old girlfriends.

        • http://deleted Claire

          libertytrain–Seems like all of the scum comes forth trying to find their 15 minutes of fame.

          • libertytrain

            Yes, they do. I’ve had a couple of those minutes in my life and they’re not all that interesting. I prefer a quiet anonymity.

  • American Taxpayer

    Did we forget that drugs, alcohol, & wicca also played a major part in this young man’s life? He wanted his 15 minutes of fame and he got it at the expense of a lot of others. Put the blame where it’s due, on the shooter! Stop the fingerpointing and report the news not opinions.
    The shooter read books by communists and not by conservatives.

    • Ted

      I’m sorry but based on your inference you must get your understanding of Wicca from the catholic church. Try reading a book before commenting on a subject or maybe even study some history.

      • independant thinker

        The “alter” found in his back yard looks like one that someone who knew about 10 words about the Wiccan religion might build. The Catholic church would more likely call it an alter for satan worship.

    • Ted

      Though to be fair I do agree with your comment that the blame belongs on the perp.

    • Papa

      It seems you need to learn something about “WICCA” before trying to blame it for the actions of the insane. WICCA is all about peaceful harmony of man and nature, nothing to do with “conflict” of any sort. It is, if anything, the antithesis of violence…

  • http://opera Elizabeth Garstecki

    Sandie Archer,I won’t call Obama president either.Obermann and Obama are two of a kind.They both speak with fork tongue they are ghetto boys.
    The two O’s 1 O is a bully and the other is gutless for not protecting us from the horrible situation on our borders I think the head honcho
    should play golf with the Mexican president and his drug friends.

  • 2WarAbnVet

    So 42 % of Folks (most of them self-identified as Democrats) bought into the leftist smear. Is it a coincidence that this equates the percentage of people (most of them self-identified as Democrats) who are government dependents?

  • paul 1776

    Obviously you have not kept up with current events. While unstable, he did leave a note with the word, assassinate, prior to shooting Giffords. I have watched both MSNBC and Fox and while both were blaming in different ways, MSNBC had the situation correct when they played Giffords outrage at being placed in the cross hairs by Palin and mentioning that this kind of targeting has consequences.

    I learned a long time ago that the north and south still have differences when it comes to race. I was at the shooting range during basic training (Army) at Fort Jackson, SC when we were tinformed President Kennedy had been shot. What happened next was shocking to most at the range that day. A group of trainees from the South cheered.

    The same still holds true today. The Tea Party is not concerned President Obama is going to take away their guns, this is an area where he has not gone because the country had bigger issues when he took office, the recession. Their issue is because he cares about the shrinking middle class, is half black and graduated from college at the top of his class. It clearly is not about the right to carry a gun or who is to blame, but about hate.

    • Shibamom

      Where in the world did you get it that Obama “cares about the shrinking middle class, is half black and graduated from college at the top of his class”. Listen up!! OBAMA DOES NOT CARE ONE TINY BIT ABOUT MIDDLE CLASS AMERICA, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE CONSTITUTION OR ANY THING ELSE AMERICA!!

      • eddie47d

        I think it was the wealthy elites who came down on the Middle Class.Guess who sided with those Corporations on sending jobs overseas? Can you say Republicans and their mismanaged NAFTA scheme. We (the middle class) got the short end of that stick. That was about 16 years ago and the middle class has yet to recover but corporate pay keeps going up,up,and up.

        • http://deleted Claire

          All administrations, past and present have had a hand in diminishing the middle class. Egads, I have said this 100 times-this has been going on for years!

  • Tazio2013

    From the chipster’s white wing wacko diatribe:

    All of this reminds me of another tragedy that rocked the nation — the assassination of John F. Kennedy in Dallas, Texas on Nov. 22, 1963. If you were an adult back then you remember that the airwaves were full of allegations that the President’s murderer must have been some crazed Right-winger. After all, the killing took place in Texas, right? A state that’s full of dangerous Rightists.

    Apparently the chipster continues to believe the Warren Report and that LHO was the “lone gunman”. For those of you who can think for yourself, you may come to understand that JFK’s murder was indeed a CIA/Right Wing Extremist conspiracy. Of course this requires you to read with an open mind and a healthy dose of objectivity.

  • Sprock

    Watch the included web videos and you know who is pushing hate.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20028227-503544.html

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/41050066#41050066

    The videos don’t lie just the folks who dismiss this BS.

  • Dave Smith

    One deranged madman with a gun created apoplectic ranting from leftist ideologues demanding more gun control. What everyone seems to have missed is that a young man, inside the Safeway who was armed, ran outside and was ready to use his weapon. When he saw that the perpetrator was under control he rightfully decided not to draw his weapon and exacerbate an already tenuous situation. That’s right, a normal citizen, also armed, did not fire his weapon, did not kill anyone. How is that possible? Listening to the rabidly irresponsible nonsense from talking heads across the media spectrum, you would think that guns would have jumped out from bushes and fell from trees demonically firing randomly at the crowd of their own volition. This young man had a reasoned and rational response to an irrational event and prevented more fear and carnage by keeping his weapon holstered. Have you heard one word about his actions in this tragedy? Have you heard one positive comment from the left on the rational and mentally stable citizens at the scene? And worse yet, have you heard the maniacally partisan Sheriff or media pundits blame the one man responsible for this murderous atrocity? What does that say about the state of political discourse in America today? It says that our national media is no longer credible and cannot be trusted to present truthful and accurate news coverage. Honest Journalism in America is dead and in its place is politically biased, agenda driven philippic nonsense.

    • victoria blood

      Dave’s one voice speaking truth out of the ridiculous clamor.

  • truesoy

    For conservatives and other T-Party defenders to deny responsibility for the shooting incident in Arizona is the epitomy of the ‘right wing’ remarkable ability to add insult to injury, and to get away with it.
    That the rhetoric of the conservatives ever since Obama was elected was one contributing factor to the actions of one mentally unstable individual is undeniable; but what really is an insult to anyone’s intelligence is denying it by way of pointing to the books the shooter read, as if the Communist Manifesto was some sort of a ‘liberal’ ideological guide, which is not. Communism is one of the most conservative political systems around, and probably has more in common with ‘our’ conservatives than Chip Wood cares to admit. They, communists, dislike liberals almost as much as you do. Conservative republicans and the likes in the T-Party would prove themselves more credible, at least on this one, if they would admit their antics probably contributed to the actions of a mentally disturbed individual in Arizona.
    Ps: Hitler was no lefty liberal nor a democrat, unles you know something the rest of mankind don’t know. But,I have to tell you this: Hitler was a fascist (right wing conservative). And you, the conservatives in this country, are unwittingly pressing ahead a similar agenda.
    That is why communism and fascism must destroy liberalism, because it is what stands between their dictatorship and democracy.

  • MargotAmerican

    I am really disappointed with the whole premise of this post. It did have the potential to be helpful and informative. However,.. You entitle it “Keith Olbermann And The Real Hate Mongers”, but you turn around and “monger hate” right back. Who is playing in the political rhetoric game now? What does this solve? You are participating in the same HATE you are sitting there accusing other people of- which makes you just as guilty. I agree that what Olbermann said was definitely jumping to conclusions first of all, it was an ugly thing to say, and yes he does tend to be liberally biased. But one thing I would like to point out here is that you write about these people as if conservatives can do no wrong- as if they are above the mistakes and flaws that come with being human. Well I have a news flash for you- liberals and conservatives are all equal on that point! Were all human and all say things that are ugly and unfounded. Since you are so well informed about current events I suppose you also know that Olbermann apologized later for his brash comments. He apologized. Case closed. Maybe some others will apologize for their part in playing this “hate game” as well ;-)
    About you throwing in Sarah Palin’s name: how could liberals NOT be angry with her? How could ANYONE that is not racist not be offended? One of our Members of Congress has been attacked and is fighting for her life, yet Sarah Palin does not seem to have the forethought to consider that the Senator is Jewish before making the comment, “”Journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn,”…???? Explain to me how that would not anger people?!
    Oh, and by the way, throwing your personal list of least favorite books in the post is almost comical. I hope you didn’t insert that thinking that would support your story. My Dad is a right wing Republican and he and I alike (I am independent) both think Mein Kampf to be a fantastic book. Simply liking a book written by Communists doesn’t make you a Communist. Just like my reading your post doesn’t make me agree with you.
    If your goal is to publish well written, factual articles about what is going on in this country, I would first suggest that you include all relevant facts (and back them up with points that actually support what you are trying to say), not skew stories to make the people YOU personally hate look bad for your own agenda, and if you want the world to change, you must first change yourself. Do not post something about the hate of other people and think you will then get off on simply throwing hate right back. Write something that is helpful to the world rather than something that simply throws more flame to the fire.

    • eddie47d

      Thank you Margot for it is nice to hear from someone who gets it.

      • JeffH

        This from a man whose never had a clue…LMAOL!

        • eddie47d

          If it isn’t Mr Rude and Nasty I should have known you’d bring nothing to the table. Maybe the asylum doctors need to strap you down for the night!

          • JeffH

            LMAO! You have a plentiful lack of wit.

  • Jesse Williamson

    Very good article, Chip. But unfortunately, it appears there are a lot of people visiting your website that are not ready for the truth.

    • truesoy

      Jesse, if you believed all the nonsense in his article, I would suggest you get your head examined soon, like yesterday. Ps: also I have to tell you, and I am sorry I have to be the one, there is no tooth fairy. Please throw away that tooth you kept for years under the pillow, ’cause she ain’t coming!

  • Wim Vonk

    It is very true that the perpetrator of this crime had nothing to do with the conservative right. What is apparent though is that President Obama handled the situation very well without naming any enemies or pointing fingers. Sarah Palin however used her speech to attack the opposition again and raised the temperature which Obama was trying to cool. You be the judge.

  • Mona

    It never ceases to amaze me how ignorant and stupid the people on the left are. Let them keep running their mouths and letting anyone that has any sense at all hear the hate coming from them. It is a shame that we have so many that are agreeing with them.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    The left, the Democrats,the Progressives,they go by so many names these days I can`t keep up with them.They are so mad about geting their asses kicked in Nov, they will say and blame anybody but themselves.One thing for sure,they don`t have a clue to whats going on in this country.

    Their hate for ex. Press. Bush is so great that it has consumed them to the point that they would let this country fall
    to the great pretenders who lie, cheat,and of course BS some perty
    stupid people.I`m an Independent and thought the Republicans were corrupt,
    however, this bunch of so callrd Dems. are the most corrupt officals I
    have ever seen. The T party, just might have saved this country.I hope it`s not to late.The last two years a lot of damage has been done.People better forget the wonderful speeches Obama has made and find out what he realy stands for.Didn`t you hear America,TRANSFORM
    AMERICA AND SPREAD THE WEALTH.It`s not the rich he is going to get,it`s you the middle class,the semi rich. You will all be poor,the rich will stay rich.They didn`t get rich by being stupid, they got rich because they are smart,they worked hard and believe
    me they will take their money and get the hell out of Dodge.Some have
    allready done this.Let me ask you, the middle class and upper middle class,what will you do when the rich and thier money have left, and the goverment has taken all of your money?It`s not a matter that it`s going to happen,it`s a matter of when.Stay after them T party, you are our only hope,I think I might join you this year and I hope more
    Americans wake up and join the cause of saving America.Most Americans
    know the hate comes full blast from the left,they want you to be violent,don`t cave in to their wishes, take them with love and at the ballot box.You did it in 2010,you can do it in 2012.

  • nationAP

    “President Barrack Hussein Obama is allowing 80,000 Muslims to immigrate next year to the United States. He is doing this by executive order.

    “Obama authorizes additional 80,000 “refugees” to entry country

    By Dr. Paul L. Williams Friday, October 22, 2010

    President Barack Hussein Obama, in a determination letter to Congress, has announced that he will allow an additional 80,000 immigrants – – mostly from Islamic countries – – to resettle in the United States during fiscal year 2011.

    Mr. Obama says that the increase in Muslim immigrants “is justified by humanitarian concerns or is otherwise in the national interest.”

    Why this decision should be made by an “executive order” without consensus of Senate, Congress and 99’4% of the US population who are not Muslims? Obama might not be a Muslim, but he WAS a Muslim as a fact. His sympathies for some groups must not be a driving force against interests of the majority.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    Who are the real hate mongers?? For the answer, liberals merely should look in the mirror!! And we also hear about the left wishing death on conservatives such as Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, et al. Well, I guess it’s because the truth hurts!! Leftwing liberals know that their ideas are wrong, and have been miserable failures. And much of what they want to do to us is morally bankrupt, in addition to being unconstitutional. Further, if I were a leftwing liberal Democrap, I’d be thankful that Rush Limbaugh’s 20 million listeners are less than 10 % of all Americans. I’d also be thankful that there are still enough drones and ignorant voters who continue to vote for the leftwing democrap party!! Of course, in reality I think it’s pathetic that a large % of the population listens to those dinky FM music stations. If they’d listen to Rush, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Herman Cain, et al, then they’d hear the truth!! Although the GOP had a very poor candidate for POTUS in 2008, that’s not the only reason we lost the White House. BHO still could’ve been defeated if everyone listened to conservative talk radio hosts, and knew the truth about BHO!!!! BTW, after hearing all the false accusations against our side by the left in response to the Tucson tragedy, I say we give the leftists and democraps a dose of their own medicine – that is – hold the leftists legally responsible if anything violent happens to Rush, Sarah Palin or others on our side!!

  • Lyndon Olson

    It’s great to make the case that the shooter had no links, tangibly or philosophically, to the Tea Party, and to challenge journalists who claim otherwise. But a couple of points in the article are simply inaccurate, and the overall tone is so laden with the “left=bad, right=good” sentiment that it generates more heat than light.

    For one thing, why would an author for the same newsletter that tells us not to trust the official government line on things expect us to believe, without question, that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK? There is plenty of evidence to cast major doubt on that, as well as evidence to suggest that even his time in the Soviet Union was as an undercover CIA agent. The subject is too broad to address here; I’ll simply note that whether the actual motive for JFK’s assassination was “left-wing” or “right-wing” is a serious concern only to knee-jerk left-wingers or right-wingers, who are so obsessed with defending their “wing” and attacking the other that they’ll grab anything that remotely looks like evidence and run with it.

    As for Loughner’s fascination with the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf, conventional left-right labeling would call the former “extreme left” and the latter “extreme right”. It appears that Chip is calling Hitler a “leftist”; maybe, in some form, he can make a case for this (in that Hitler’s party was called “National Socialist”), but, to the extent that you want to define one wing as pro-liberty and limited government and the other as anti-liberty and pro-big government, given the huge number of dictatorships over the years conventionally labeled “right-wing”, you’d be starting with such a re-definiton of political labels that it would be appropriate to clarify this before even starting to make your point.

    Our Founding Fathers were not “right-wingers”, Chip. Ron Paul is not a “right-winger.” Much of what SOME people on the left dislike about the “right” is not anything that a true defender of liberty and Constitutional government would have any reason to defend. The more you look for excuses to label everything you don’t like as “left” and everything you like as “right”, the more you turn off those who might otherwise come to agree with you on many issues, and risk driving those same people into a hard-core leftist camp.

    There appears to be absolutely no evidence that Jared Loughner was even indirectly motivated by anything said or done by Sarah Palin or the Tea Party, and those in the media who claim or imply otherwise deserve to have their distortions exposed in columns like this. But it’s a mistake to take their bait and turn this into a left-right issue. When both sides get caught up in that, they lose sight of other things that might prove more relevant.

    For one, Loughner used a “death metal” recording on his video, which repeated the phrase, “Let the bodies hit the floor!” Unlike the vague allusions to Tea Party rhetoric simply being “out there”, Loughner apparently chose this personally; why aren’t the pundits going after the death metal music industry as a contributing factor in this tragedy? For another, why does it seem that the only elected officials who actually get shot, whether they are liberals or conservatives, are those with a reputation for an independent streak? And why are the shooters so often “lone nuts”, whose actions seem to make no sense at all? Isn’t it possible that some of these people had some unseen “help” in being persuaded that their personal obsessions would be fulfilled by these particular violent acts? Unfortunately, the hard-core “wingers” on both sides aren’t motivated to look into this because there isn’t an obvious way to score points against the other “wing” with it.

    One of the most futile things you could do with your time and energy would be to pick a “wing” and defend it at all costs. That’s not an endorsement of the “center”, which, in effect, got its name in this context from the same “wing” theory. Most of the worst of the powerful and manipulative movers and shakers would probably be called “centrists”, in that they aren’t explicitly in the camp of the left or the right. We can use existing labels as a starting point to identify certain things in conversation, but, beyond that, we should be focusing on principles and on facts, and let the labels fend for themselves.

    You claim to be all about individual liberty and Constitutional government? Great! Then realize that a lot of politicians calling themselves conservative and supported by conservatives have made a mockery of those principles — and not just by “compromising with liberals”, a la John McCain. If you’re willing to look at each issue through the lens of liberty, and not a “right-wing” prism, you might be surprised to find that defining the good guys and the bad guys strictly in terms of right vs. left is not very wise. (And yes, the same message goes to the knee-jerk leftists who do their own slanted rants in rebuttal to Chip’s column.)

    • John Bowman

      “left” an “right” are inaccurate labels, the founders instead used a yardstick with “tyranny” (total government control) on one side, and “anarchy” (no government) on the other side. Their aim when writing the Constitution was to keep the US in the middle between these two extremes. Using these definitions, both Communists and Nazis are on the tyrannical side.

      • nationAP

        We are not talking about radicals, and even if we will lesser of two evils are not those on the left with their no sense, no truth, no principles and no future, just propaganda.

  • joe sun

    Its time to get back to the basics,love,faith and being honest.If the US does not do this this country will be lost,we may be so far out we can not see the truth any more.

  • http://59581@tds.net Bill Murphy

    When people start pointing fangers and looking for some one to blame without knowing the facts I woder what their agenda may be. Sarah Palin was onley responding what was said abot her being the blame for this tragedy

  • Leonard Purnell

    Yes— many reacted and placed the blame before they knew all the facts!!!! —BUT that is not the problem or challenge before us.
    I am a Canadian and have 4 children living in the States. I sincerely believe there far too much hateful and vitriolic language by nearly all political figure or people like yourself that write articles about the situatioon. We need to be civil and understand the others point of view. Everyone can’t be right but too few are listening the the other. Too many are not interested in what is best for the people or the country— but in their own agenda. It seems to be centered on power and greed,
    The corruption is rampant is all parties. What happened to honest and integrity? What happened to tolerance? We ALL need to analyze our attitude and actions and not be so quick to criticize and condemn the other fellow.
    It’s hate and intolerance and SELFISHINESS that created the tragedy in Tucson. We as a people need to take stock AND one by one change and make this country and the world a better place—STARTING WITH OURSELVES.

    • patriotpartisan

      Hey Leo, you haven’t noticed what your country-men are saying about FoxNews lately, have ya?
      Maybe you should do a little house cleaning before telling others their house is a pig pen.
      I’ve read some of the most vile Leftist slander ever from Canadian youtubers… it’s hard to believe we’re supposed to be allies, with all the hateful Leftist rhetoric spewing over the border.
      And before you make excuses; I understand the jabs back n forth with jokes a plenty, but this isn’t in defense of one’s honor, it’s about pure contemptful hate for the Right and those who support it.

      • JeffH

        Hoo Rah!

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    They say our schools are way behind other countries in math and science.NO 20th in the world. Well, just look whats comming into our country the past 20 yrs.or so.Look how many inter city children are left a lone to fend for themselves. The drugs and gangs that rome our city streets with guns and other weapons to make sure they recruit the younger kids and promise them a better life.You don`t need a education, you need us.Take these out of the equation and America without
    adoubt would be number 1.I`ts time the truth be told.Mr President close the borders and start sending people that aren`t supposed to be here back to where they came from.I don`t care how long it takes.It took years for this many to get here to begin with,so if it takes years to send them back, do it. All the politations seam to care about are votes.Also, cut back the number of people comming to America from 3rd world countries.You do America no justice by leting
    every Tom, Dick and Harry in.

    • David Fields

      You would make your point much more strongly if you didn’t prove the problem with your own words. Whether your poor spelling and grammar are due to a lack of education or pure emotion, you weaken your own argument by not taking the time to ensure its accuracy. You speak of children left on their own and not getting the care and education they need, yet you haven’t bothered to demonstrate the education you received. Would this be the pot calling the kettle Black?

      • JeffH

        David Fields, are you the grammar and spelling cop on this website? NO! So shut up, who gives a rats azz about spelling and grammer around here besides you? No one! Best advice is to bare with it and keep your proper english lessons to yourself!

        • JeffH

          …”bear” would be proper before you strike back…

  • ONTIME

    Have you noticed that as this quelling of the slathering accusations steming from the Tucson Tragedy wind down, we on the Conservative side of freedom who were vocally and journalistically attacked by the dingbats on the left are now being urged to soften our tones toward retaliation of those who were identified and found to be 100% wrong in every aspect of their finger pointing, hysteric rants. We the Conservatives did nothing to the left but kick their butts in every principled argument and election in the last year because we Conservatives are sick and tired of listening, watching and having our nation run by a bunch of blathering baboons and nutcases. because we Conservatives stood our ground, the left cannot abide a gracious defeat, so in a fit of hysterics and whinning they thought they had a handle on the matter in Tucson and once again those we are not supposed to call our enemy identified themselves as exactly that and made abject fools of themselves, proving again how necessary this last election was to the nation and why we Conservatives are going to work to dominate this nations governing process so that all people have a civil voice for reason and the freedom to express their concerns.

    Here’s to a government under a Constitution of, by and for the people.

    • David Fields

      “Here’s to a government under a Constitution of, by and for the people.”

      Yup. As soon as you get rid of the career politicians, that’s what you’ll have.

  • patriotpartisan

    The Left screaming “fire!” when they are the one’s who started it, seems oddly hypocritical, if not just plain old dumb… why draw attention to one’s self when they live in a glass house?
    The belief that if you yell loud enough you can drowned out opposition and misdirect attention to facts seems childish at best.
    The more denial you shovel onto this fire, the more it will come back to burn you in the end.
    Ann Coulter has said it best, in a recent column, paraphrased: Liberals remain liberal by being uneducated.
    Trying to blame a group when evidence points back at you, is more damaging then the evidence or the act itself!

  • Steve Peterson Rommel

    Long ago,and far away a wise man once stated of A powerful Nation that was once respected,and or honored that a house divided cannot stand,and or a country divided will sooner or later lead to yet another Civil War that will Shake The United States Of America To The Core Of Its Foundation,and or Lead To The Very Truth,and Strength of The People Of The United States Of America,and or The Constitution to which they defended as one against corruption,and creed. Sincerely,Steve Peterson Rommel Arkansaw,Wisconsin

  • John Bowman

    Tea Partiers want limited government, a representative Democracy, plus personal freedom and responsibility. That is exactly the same thing the people who started this country, which they called the United States of America, and wrote the Constitution for also wanted, they were the original Tea Partiers.

    Anyone who rabidly opposes the Tea Party thus opposes the United States of America that the founders intended, I say they are anti-American. These opposers might claim they are pro-American, they might have the American flag in front of their office, but they are lying, in reality they hate the freedoms the founders gave us, they want to take many of our freedoms away, they work to eliminate the United States of America the founders created.

    So what kind of people lie about their intentions and motives and agenda? Evil people, a good example are the Nazi’s and Hitler, and the giant lies they told to gain power. That is who the rabid anti-Tea Party people are, Olbermann being a good example.

    • Wlmitch1

      The United States of America was founded as a Contitutional Republic, NOT a Representative Democracy.

      In a Representative Democracy, the rights of the minority can be voted away by the majority, which results in the Tyranny of the Majority. There is an old proverb which states: “In a Democracy, if 9 cannibals on the block vote to eat the 10th cannibal, then the 10th cannibal is eaten.” The ancient Greek philosopher Socrates was executed for his unpopular beliefs because the Representatives of the people of Ancient Greece voted democratically to have him executed.

      In a Constitutional Republic, each adult person gets one vote per issue and/or candidate for public Office. The rights of the minority are Constitutionally protected. The Rule of Law and the rights of the Citizens are respected, and our government works for We The People.

      We TEA Party members want to restore our Nation to a Constitutional Republic with a government of the People, by the People, and for the People, which respects the Rule of Law and the consent of the governed, NOT a Representative Democracy.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        First thing…Repeal the 14th amendment. Then Congress will once again work for you/us.

        • Wlmitch1

          Be careful what you wish for.

          Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment states:

          “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and
          subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United
          States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall
          make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges
          or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall
          any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property,
          without due process of law; nor deny to any person within
          its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

          The pro-Amnesty zealots gloss over “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” to claim that those born in the United States to illegal aliens are automatically citizens. Illegal aliens, and their children, are subject to the jurisdiction of the country from which they came, NOT the jurisdiction of the United States, thus they are NOT U.S. Citizens. The Leftists are twisting the Fourteenth Amendment to advance their ideology the same way they twist other amendments to do advance their ideology.

  • Wlmitch1

    RECENT EXAMPLES OF ISLAMIC RIGHT-WING HATE SPEECH

    January 14, 2011

    FIRST, I WILL DEFINE MY TERMS:

    CLASSIC LIBERAL: One who values the U.S. Constitution, our Liberty, traditional American values, the Rule of Law; and a Constitutional Republic with a government of the People, by the People, and for the People. Constitutional Conservatives are actually Classic Liberals. We are often called Teabaggers, far-right extremists, right-wing extremists, radical right, etc. by the Marxists.

    MARXIST: One who espouses the totalitarian teachings and ideology of Marx, Engels, Alinsky, and Chomsky. This includes Fascists, Nazis (National Socialists), Socialists, and Communists. Today, Marxists like to call themselves Liberals and Progressives to conceal their true illiberal character.

    RIGHT-WING EXTREMIST: One who espouses a non-Marxist, anti-Liberty (authoritarian) government, such as a
    theocracy in which the religion and the State are one; or a Monarchy, an Empire, or a dictatorship (one-man rule), in which there is no freedom of speech, no freedom of the Press, no freedom of religion, and no freedom of citizens to peacefully assemble and petition their government for a redress of grievances; and few other rights, if any.

    TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK: Restore our Constitutional Republic. This does NOT mean the re-institution of slavery, segregation laws, or Jim Crow laws, all three of which are diametrically opposed to Liberty.

    HATE SPEECH: Speech which advocates the death, injury, criminalization, or rule (or domination) of those (individuals or nations) whom one disagrees with, or who are a different race, gender, or religion, just because an individual is of a different race, gender, or religion, or an individual or nation simply disagrees, particularly when such individuals or nations are not harmful to the rights or safety of the one doing the hating.

    With the above definitions of the terms, here are some Recent EXAMPLES of Islamic Right-wing Extremist Hate Speech:

    1) “Death to America!”
    2) “Death to Israel”
    3) “Death to all Khafurs (infidels, non-Muslims)!”
    4) “Islam will dominate all other religions!”
    5) “Islam will dominate and rule the world!”
    6) “Freedom can go to Hell!”
    7) “Kill all the Jews and drive Israel into the sea!”
    8) “Kill all the Christians! They are our enemies!”
    9) “Kill all those who criticize Muhammad, the Holy Qur’an, or Islam!”
    10) “We demand Shari’a law for us in your country, and there will be trouble if we do not get it!”
    11) “America is the Great Satan!”
    12) “Death to the West!”
    13) “If you do not let us build our Cordoba House Islamic Cultural Center with a Mosque near Gound Zero, there will be more terrorist attacks in America!”
    14) The stomping, cutting up, and burning of the American Flag near Ground Zero of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and the loud calling out for others to join them.

    These are only 14 examples of Islamic right-wing extremist hate speech. There are many more. It is amazing that the Marxists are not screaming against it! It must be because the Marxists hate America and her Liberty just as much as the Islamic right-wing extremists do! We Classic Liberals, our nation, our Liberty, and our way of life are under attack from both the Marxists AND the Islamic right-wing extremists! We Classic Liberals must take the word “Liberal” back from the Marxists while we take our country back! Wake up, America, and GOD BLESS AMERICA!

    • Wlmitch1

      This website replace the “8)” in Example 8 with a smiley face! I do not know why. It is supposed to read:

      8) “Kill all the Christians! They are our enemies!”

      • libertytrain

        Here if I type “8)” with the parenthesis and quote marks nothing happens, but a computer host reading code that correlates with symbols, numbers, etc. reads that number and parenthesis without the quotation marks to equal the particular happy face you are seeing. You just happened on the code for that happy face. :) :D

  • Wlmitch1

    IT DID IT AGAIN!! WHAT THE HELL IS THE PROBLEM?!?!?

    • libertytrain

      Because in that particular instance it is code. Skip the parenthesis and it should work. In computer code, there are many parenthesis and characters used.

      • Wlmitch1

        Thanks, libertytrain! I have replaced the right parenthesis with periods for the enumerations in the document. I wrote it in Rich Text Format in WordPad. I will post it again, as the smiley face next to Example 8 looks very crass.

        • libertytrain

          No problem, I accidentally happened upon something like it myself and finally figure it out.

  • Anthony

    Quote:
    “In an effort to tar Republicans with Loughner’s murderous assault, someone even created a fake voter registration document for the guy, purporting to show that he is a registered Republican. It looked pretty authentic — obviously, whoever did it used a genuine card as his model — except for one thing: The Leftwing dope who did it misspelled Tucson!”

    Whether anyone wants to hear it, or not – this “mis-spelling” issue occurs even, right here, on PersonalLibertyDOTcom. And, more times than not, IT IS those that support the so-called Communist Leftist stance that are doing the misspelling. Just sayin’….

    “It turned out, of course, that the President’s assassin was a dedicated Marxist named Lee Harvey Oswald. The former sharp-shooter had even spent time in Mother Russia before returning to the U.S. and crusading for Fidel Castro.”

    My irritation with this comment – is it sticks to the standard pat answer the Warren Commission came up with. Much like the 911 Commission came up with a standard pat answer that we ALL MUST ABIDE BY …. even if it’s hogwash.

    My other irritation, Chip, is the famously known fact that Oswald was a CIA trainee, as was Timothy McVeigh. Time and again, with these STAGED events, we find out shortly thereafter the perp was involved with some sort of CIA operations. I’m pretty fed up with the lot of you, even on this website, ushing this GLARING fact aside as if some truths should never count.

    ALL of thes type of events are slated for one purpose and one purpose alone … to diminish our freedoms. And, almost immediately, after the event, the Bankster-controlled puppet-Congress rushes out to submit new Legislation that supposedly stops such nonsense. When, what it really does is shrink our freedoms. AND, that was the end result desired in the first place overall. I’m surprised at you, Chip. You (of all Writers here) should know better. You have other sources aside from MSM.

    Chip promotes the LIARS ON THE LEFT as if that’s the bottom line on how things are in this Country. IT IS NOT. The majority of every NEWS SOURCE in America is tained by its involvement with the CFR … read: http://www.whoownsthenews.com …. and tell me you see it differently. Please bring proof, not empty-handed opinion.

    Keith Olbermann? Is missing only his black SS uniform.
    Chris Matthews? DITTO to the above.

    Both of the above are allowed to anoint themselves as Authorities on what is happening in this Country … and all of it is nothing more than DECOY conversation. THAT is their assignment in all national events. Olbermann screws up, but only gets a slap on the wrist? Other people discuss College kids in trouble with hookers and get banned from network talk shows .. but Olbermann only gets a slap and some vacation time. Not seing anything suspicious here? If not, you should be.

    What is happening in this Country? Follow the money!
    By now, you should’ve read: The Creature from Jekyll Island
    By now, you should have learned to review the TREND forecasts by Gerald Celente’.
    By now, you should have researched the History of the Georgia Guidestones.
    By now, you should have been researching the Tesla invention known as: HAARP

    The nonsense going on in this Country is a major part on the Global Plan for a New World Order. You’ve heard both sides of the Aisle discuss it. The perpetrators are almost always CIA-affiliated or imported with their assistance. No matter what Chip thinks, it is my contention, that imported assassins are who killed JFK with triangulation gunfire. The Grassy Knoll is not a dead subject. Had Oswald survived, we would probably know definitively that he did not actually hit anything with that rifle — even history channel points out that the gun was in horrible condition. Jesse Ventura did a test on his Show, showing how hard it is to get half way close to the number of shots the Warren Commission said were used. And, Jesse is Seal-trained. Oswald was not. Oswald was a a rookie CIA-trainee.

    Chip has been known to write some excellent articles – but this Left/Right “bait” conversation diminishes his credibility, immediately. He knows the Left/Right montra is a false discussion. It’s common knowledge that the Left/Right dance in Congress is all for show to the self-un-educated voters. They all go out and have dinner together after work, the same way you and I would stop for beers. Congress marches to who controls the Money – which is THE FEDERAL RESERVE (and whatever THEY want – which is a New World Order … you’ve all heard David Rockefeller say so).

    BOTTOM LINE ? ….

    1) Hillary Clinton has spent the last two years galavanting around the Globe, enforcing signatures from every other Country for the SMALL ARMS TREATY (not START, kiddies…. SAT).

    2) It is Congressional Protocol that International Treaties supercede our U.S. Constitution (there is a vote, of course, but it’s basically for show unless it interferes with the NWO agenda) This would mean that if Congress were to ratify “S.A.T.”, then you can kiss the 2nd Amendment GOODBYE.

    And, they will instantly begin disarming America – that last blockade for implementation of NWO, which “requires” elimination of over 7 billion human beings on this Planet, per the Georgia Guidestones.

    3) I have not sold out, for any “consirpacy” theory… I have (however) been allowing things to unfold as proof that the NWO agenda is still in full swing or not .. since Bush 1′s speech back in 1989.

    BUSH 1 – Announced the start date for escalation of NWO – in 1989 speech
    Clinton – shoved all the JOBS out of America / NAFTA & GATT
    Bush 2 – Invoked Patriot Act(s) I & II and signed the 1005 North America Union paperwork
    Obama – has “reversed nothing” that Bush 2 accomplished … so much for Lefty-ism.

    IN FACT – Obama has triple-downed on what Bush II accomplished – the Press, “by design” is not speaking out this time. They are, instead, censoring every move he makes. Trust me, it’s still Obama, the teleprompter reader – that hasn’t changed. It’s still your misunderstanding of the Communist Manifesto, it’s inner workings and how much it needs Neitzschie-ism to be invoked.

    You will be coaxed into thinking disarmed is better.
    OR, you will be forcibly disarmed before BUSH-I finally passes away.
    They now need another Pearl Harbor Event to shock the Nation into submission of NWO.
    - they have killed off much of the Gulf seafood
    - they have passed S.510, which makes you growing your own gardens, ILLEGAL.
    - they are working to pass HR.5741 which forces anyone under 49 into National Service – and even if it’s not military (?) from the civilian side you CAN be forced into military service with a wave of a hand.
    - have you read HR.4646 ?

    Most of the conversations I’ve read lately, are about getting off the grid.

    Like MAX IGAN said, “always remember to keep an eye on The Big Picture“.

    Did you know: Bush II has purchased 98,000 acres in Costa Rica?
    Did you know: Hillary stepping away from the State Dept., is by design?
    Did you know, that according to NWO, there are only 300 family names to be not be affected.

    I would wake up if I were you… but, then some always prefer to wait til it’s too late.

    You help yourself – because your Country’s government is not about to do so. Maybe it’s time those video games were put in the closet in favor of learning just what type of neoghbors you really have…………

    WHY? – Because once they disarm you, how are you gonna stop them from starving you?

    • Anthony

      For those that support Obama – there’s this historical commentary from right on this website – linked to another Article ….

      Libertarian says:
      November 5, 2010 at 10:24 am

      “Don’t forget we are still under martial law with the 1933 War Powers Act which can only be ended by Presidential proclamation.
      … (12 USC, 95b, and Proclamation 2040).

      As long as THE FED controls the president, they are safe.”

      Does the above make you more interested in the actual mechanics of our Government (?) or are you a quitter?

      • kate8

        Anthony – Thanks for the post. At least there are a few of us who see what’s going on here.

        I’ve been saying since the day it happened that this was a staged event. I believe the judge was the most likely target, as 72hrs prior he ruled against Obama’s robbing people’s retirement funds. And Ms. Gifford was apparently not in lockstep with the Leftist agenda.

        Amazing how they have such a supply of ‘crazed lone killers’. Every one of them has been standard issue. If they used hired professionals we’d figure it out, so they need crazy whackos, complete with history, drugs and deranged motive.

        We too easily just accept the official story we’re fed by the media. No one wants to question, or believe these things are for a purpose, even though there is ample information that these are the tactics they use to “nudge” us in the direction they desire.

        You state your premise far more eloquently than I, and maybe someone will listen to you. But don’t count on it. We’re a nation of sheep, when it comes right down to it. Everyone is too afraid to believe the obvious.

        Thank God I’m not alone. You’ve given me hope that there are more who are wide awake and not plugged into the matrix.

        • kate8

          Anthony – This is a list from decades ago, a statement of communist goals for taking over America. It’s all come to pass. If we’d had this information all along we could have stopped it before we got to this point.

          http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm

          I doubt many, if any, will bother to read this.

          • ’53 Korean Vet

            Kate8– A better site is the “Primer Book” that soviets were to use–
            http://www.whale to/b/soviet.htm It’s from ‘Brain-Washing-soviet style’-you
            have to type it in on your computer. Read ‘Editorial Note’-then ‘An
            Address by Lavrent Beria’, Next Click on Chapter XIV “The Smashing of
            Religious Groups” (A quick quote)–”We have battled in America since the turn of the century, and we are winning-!” Read all this chapter,
            & see for yourself–(Isn’t this exactly what’s been happening-!?)Note
            the reference to Lies, & Propoganda against public officials-! It’s
            also called “Psycho-Politics”—

          • ’53 Korean Vet

            Kate8– type in–www.whale.to/b/soviet.htm Read ‘editorial note’ &
            ‘Address by Beria’ & then click & read Chapter XIV–all of it-!

    • Bitter Libertarian

      I cannot disagree…IMHO there are some very dark days ahead, and its beginning this year with some very significant events…Fuel prices will drive everything up…Those on fixed budgets or food stamps are going to take a beating….more money will be focused on food & fuel, which will force even more business to close (why do you think Wal-Mart added food to nearly every store?). Riots, crime, disorder…(I wonder how many are going to blame the Muslims for this-NOT that I support ISLAM- there are just bigger fish to fry right NOW)

      All this Divide and conquer talking place is absurd, but sadly necessary…America will be so devastated it will be removed from world events IMHO. Not in one year, but very soon.

    • Dan az

      Anthony
      the truth is:Further, Article VI, paragraph 2 quoted above commands that if and when all of the above requirements for a treaty are met — that is, a) it does not contradict the Constitution; b) it is negotiated by the President who has sworn to not violate, and who in fact is not violating the Constitution; and c) it is ratified by two thirds of the State-defending-Senators who have sworn to not violate, and who do not by their vote violate the Constitution — then, and only then, may the treaty in question go into full force and effect for the Union and for all of the individual States in the Union. This latter consequence is the reason for Article VI, paragraph 2 to conclude:

      “…and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the [not "this"] Constitution [ of any State] or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. [Emphasis added.]”

      So, the Judges in each State must obey a bona fide treaty, even if the treaty is contrary to that state’s Constitution or contrary to any law of that state.

      Thus, a properly/legally concluded U.S. treaty overrules any STATE law and any STATE Constitution, but a properly/legally framed U.S. treaty does not, may not, can not, and is forbidden to overrule the U.S. Constitution or abrogate the Sovereignty of the United States. If it does, it is not bona fide. It is a usurpation. It is not “under the Authority of the United States” to make such a treaty.

      Ergo, treaties (“made, or which shall be made”) that violate the U.S. Constitution by subjugating the United States to an outside power ARE PROHIBITED, of no effect, and thus, null and void.

      For a Senator to violate his sworn oath is perjury, a felony, an impeachable offense.

      Since treaties are compacts between/among ” the powers of the earth” of “separate and equal station” as stipulated in the Declaration of Independence, treaties may not be consummated with other than sovereign nations.

      Consequently, for at least these two reasons — 1) because the U.S. Senate in 1945 ratified the United Nations (UN) Charter as a treaty and the UN is not a sovereign nation, and 2) because membership in the UN makes the U.S. inferior to the UN — U.S. “membership” in the United Nations is unconstitutional, FORBIDDEN, and thus declared null and void. Ditto for the World Court and the nebulous entanglements of the New World Order.

  • David Fields

    I have a very simple solution: Don’t re-elect a single career politician to any elected office! Replace them with ordinary people who have some real feelings for the people they live with. Why should we bring in a rich corporate bigwig when ‘Ol’ Grammy’ understands what’s going on in her neighborhood far more? Why should we allow a tongue-twisting lawyer represent us when ‘Plumber Joe’ is the one on the streets seeing the world around him?

    You want a revolution? Then make it a peaceful one and speak with your votes. Stop letting the money control your lives and speak for yourselves for once.

    • David Fields

      Here’s an idea. Every single citizen should be given the exact same opportunity to hold public office as they do to serve on a Jury. The town/county/state should simply draw names from the local Census and assign them the office for a fixed period of time. No individual should hold consecutive offices nor should that individual serve more than four times in their lifetime. Would that settle the argument?

      • Bitter Libertarian

        I LOVE that idea!

      • Wlmitch1

        Surely, you jest. That would disenfranchise all of the citizens of the town/county/state, and lead to tyranny. The citizenry would stop such a scheme with the force of arms.

  • da norseman

    Indeed, the forces of evil lurks within the studios of MSNBC where the ghost of Josef Goebbels, permanently ensconced into the minds of these clowns spewing venom over the air all over this great land and bad-mouthing anything that stands for Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, is controlling their corrupt and corroded minds. These mainstream idiots of the press are using the Tucson Massacre as a political attack on and accusing anyone they disagree with, especially with the likes of a Keith Olbermann or a Chris Matthews – the two biggest wusses in news today that are behaving like a couple of sissies – who are losing more viewers each day because of their staunch hatred and negative views of America. Who wants to watch this kind of B.S.?

    The left want you to turn off Fox News and Conservative radio because, “you are being lied to.” That’s the kind of “lies” I like listening to! The exposure of liberal lies and anything that hurts the liberal-progressive agenda!!! The mainstream media? Strict censorship is the norm with them! Any report comes in, it is refined and concocted to benefit the left and alienate the right, which has been the biggest turn-off for mainstream America today!

    The left have been lobbying to Congress to pull Fox News and Conservative radio off the air for some time now. Even if they succeeded in doing so, it will not bring viewership back to watching mainstream news stations in their current pro-left/anti-right garbage, the left are hoping.

  • Bob Wilkinson

    Cute phrases and drivel of verbosity is simply an emotional zealous attempt of a feeble mind to express one’s self more forcefully. What is needed is the address of the issue. Please refer to documented video or audio which you have personal heard from the left or the right as to any inciting speach which would influence anyone to violence. Please don’t use Joseph Goebel stile blame. It is not befitting of Americans. For a good judge of character I look at the actions of people. The 8-28 event at the Washington D.C. Mall was attended by people of a peaceful disposition and whose cleanliness an habits are ones to emulate. The “Restore Sanity” rally sponsored by Jonathan Stewart was attended by a mob who left the place in a pig sty. It certainly did nothing to retore sanity. Address the issues and watch behavior.

    • Anthony

      Bob’s right … those who just post without reading the majority of all comments, are just venting. Regurgitation stinks, people.

      Go back and read MY posting again.

      In fact, google up many of the points I have cited.

  • Steve Peterson Rommel

    We call those within Congress Arm Chair warriors born with silver spoons within their mouth that do-not give a damn for the working men,and women within this country one way or another as Long as We The People continue to fight their wars,and pay their taxes generation after generation as they continue to Represent the rich,and or their agenda as we the middle class sink in to poverty from their corruption,and or creed,and say good bye to our dreams,and goals within a Country that is no longer United as one as far as our values, goals,and dreams are concerned here within America. Respectfully, Steve Peterson Rommel

  • jopa

    One of Palin’s favorite sayings “Don’t retreat reload.”Well when the gunmans thirty round ammo clip ran out he didn’t retreat, tried to reload was taken down.I wonder if she will come up with a new slogan.One thing that really got to me was the actual victim Gabby Gifford talking about the Palin poster with the scope crosshairs.Talking on video she explained that Palins use of this type of messaging has consequences.What is really sad is when Palin comes out on twitter like she was the victim.

    • Wlmitch1

      First of all, those were surveyors symbols, NOT crosshairs in a gun sight. The ends of the “crosshairs” in surveyors symbols protrude from the circle. Drafters use the same symbol (I had 600 hours of Drafting training in 1980) to indicate placement of some items in a drawing of a part which is being designed. The crosshairs in a gun sight do not protrude from the circle, and often have very short perpendicular lines crossing them. The Democrats have been known to use maps with bullseyes on them to target (campaign harder in) districts they wanted to win in an election. I NEVER took it to mean that they actually want to shoot and kill the Republican candidate.

      Furthermore, I assign the blame to the young, deranged SHOOTER who perpetrated this atrocity. HE ALONE is responsible for the murders of six people, including a Federal Judge and a 9-year-old girl, and the murder attempts on Rep. Giffords and more than 10 other people, which HE committed. I AM a TEA Party member. Had I been there, and armed – and fast enough, I would have shot that Charles Manson type lunatic DEAD by the time he fired 3 or 4 rounds, instead of the 20 or more which he fired. I would have done so to prevent any further carnage, and to save innocent lives. Jared Loughner was neither from just the Left nor just the Right. He came from the fringes of the Left, Right, Front, Back, Up, Down, and every other angle in between! Most of the rhetoric in his creepy YouTube videos are either contradictory or just plain nonsense.

      • http://deleted Claire

        Wlmitch1– I agree and appreciate your post.

    • American Citizen

      You must only watch or listen to the Liberal news media. They have since found our Loughner was apolitical, not interested in politics at all. He hated TV, never watched it or listened to talk radio. He had a fixation on Gabrielle since 2007 and had her in his crosshairs ever since. He was feared by classmates, both in high school and college, also by professors who could see he was mental. Yet nothing was done about it. His mentors were Hitler and Lenin.

  • Bob Wilkinson

    A Classic Liberal (as opposed to current progressive liberals) would fit the founders of the contitution who were a product of the Enlightenment Period. Classic Liberals were proponents of having a Central Government just large enough to protect the States, protect individual liberty, and promote the “general welfare” such as building roads and highways and regulating commerce. The rest was left to the liberty of the States and the people. The way government as grown and intruded into our personal lives it seems we are all on a massive Plantation.

    • Wlmitch1

      Well said!

  • Michael

    You would almost think that this assasination attempt was politicaly motivated for a popularity gain for a certain person’s 2011-12 campaign drive !, and if this is so then it would have to be pulled off by a person or persons that does’nt value humane life at all.

  • chuckb

    the contemporary term liberal is a misnomer, these current so called liberals are nothing more than what normally would be accepted as marxist. they have come thru the govt. sponsored public education system since the sixties. the weaker minded have bought into the government curriculum, it’s easier to take from the more prosperous than earn it yourself.

  • Wlmitch1

    RECENT EXAMPLES OF ISLAMIC RIGHT-WING HATE SPEECH – Corrected

    January 14, 2011

    FIRST, I WILL DEFINE MY TERMS:

    CLASSIC LIBERAL: One who values the U.S. Constitution, our Liberty, traditional American values, the Rule of Law; and a Constitutional Republic with a government of the People, by the People, and for the People. Constitutional Conservatives are actually Classic Liberals. We are often called Teabaggers, far-right extremists, right-wing extremists, radical right, etc. by the Marxists.

    MARXIST: One who espouses the totalitarian teachings and ideology of Marx, Engels, Alinsky, and Chomsky. This includes Fascists, Nazis (National Socialists), Socialists, and Communists. Today, Marxists like to call themselves Liberals and Progressives to conceal their true illiberal character.

    RIGHT-WING EXTREMIST: One who espouses a non-Marxist, anti-Liberty (authoritarian) government, such as a theocracy in which the religion and the State are one; or a Monarchy, an Empire, or a dictatorship (one-man rule), in which there is no freedom of speech, no freedom of the Press, no freedom of religion, and no freedom of citizens to peacefully assemble and petition their government for a redress of grievances; and few other rights, if any.

    TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK: Restore our Constitutional Republic. This does NOT mean the re-institution of slavery, segregation laws, or Jim Crow laws, all three of which are diametrically opposed to Liberty.

    HATE SPEECH: Speech which advocates the death, injury, criminalization, or rule (or domination) of those (individuals or nations) whom one disagrees with, or who are a different race, gender, or religion, just because an individual is of a different race, gender, or religion, or an individual or nation simply disagrees, particularly when such individuals or nations are not harmful to the rights or safety of the one doing the hating.

    With the above definitions of the terms, here are some Recent EXAMPLES of Islamic Right-wing Extremist Hate Speech:

    1. “Death to America!”
    2. “Death to Israel”
    3. “Death to all Khafurs (infidels, non-Muslims)!”
    4. “Islam will dominate all other religions!”
    5. “Islam will dominate and rule the world!”
    6. “Freedom can go to Hell!”
    7. “Kill all the Jews and drive Israel into the sea!”
    8. “Kill all the Christians! They are our enemies!”
    9. “Kill all those who criticize Muhammad, the Holy Qur’an, or Islam!”
    10. “We demand Shari’a law for us in your country, and there will be trouble if we do not get it!”
    11. “America is the Great Satan!”
    12. “Death to the West!”
    13. “If you do not let us build our Cordoba House Islamic Cultural Center with a Mosque near Gound Zero, there will be more terrorist attacks in America!”
    14. The stomping, cutting up, and burning of the American Flag near Ground Zero of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and the loud calling out for others to join them.

    These are only 14 examples of Islamic right-wing extremist hate speech. There are many more. It is amazing that the Marxists are not screaming against it! It must be because the Marxists hate America and her Liberty just as much as the Islamic right-wing extremists do! We Classic Liberals, our nation, our Liberty, and our way of life are under attack from both the Marxists AND the Islamic right-wing extremists! We Classic Liberals must take the word “Liberal” back from the Marxists while we take our country back! Wake up, America, and GOD BLESS AMERICA!

    • Wlmitch1

      ONE MORE CORRECTION:

      Example 2:

      2. “Death to Israel”

      should read:

      2. “Death to Israel!”

  • http://www.sensiblechange.org Ken

    Excellent article, Chip!

    Leaping to judgment and allowing political ideology to color one’s response to tragic events are fraught with risk. So are the attempts to use one unfortunate or tragic incident to paint a whole group, movement, race, nationality, etc. with blame. Wasn’t that the proximate cause of World War I, when Archduke Franz Ferdinand was assassinated by a Serbian nationalist, for which the Austrians blamed the Serbian government? Four years later, more than 16 millions lay dead and more than 21 million wounded. It was, ultimately, a senseless war, and laid the groundwork for World War II.

    Sadly, attempts to assign blame to one’s political opponents have become a transparent modus operandi of the left, including the left-leaning media, and moronic trolls like Flashman, bob, and Eddie who mindlessly post here. Such attacks provide a convenient, but dishonest and dishonorable means of attempting to score political points by demeaning the opposition. When President Kennedy was assassinated in 1963, the initial reports by the news media blamed right wing extremists in TX. See University of Rhode Island Professor Kenneth A. Rahn’s blog bibliography of contemporaneous media accounts: http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/history/wc_period/Pre-WCR_reactions_to_assassination/Pre-WCR_reactions.html

    When the truth came out, however, it was revealed that the assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, was a communist. A similar thing has happened with the attempted assassination of Congresswoman Giffords. Those attempting to make political hay out of the tragedy blamed Sarah Palin and the Tea Party, not because they had any evidence that the perpetrator was in sympathy with their views, but merely because they themselves were opposed to those views. This was even before we knew anything of substance about the perpetrator or his possible motivations. While information is still preliminary, it would appear that Jared Lee Loughner was, according to a classmate, a loner, a pothead, a conspiracy theorist, and—drum roll please—a left-winger. Caitie Parker describes him as “quite liberal” and a “political radical.” 


    Much has been made of the heated rhetoric that characterizes out current political atmosphere. But heated rhetoric doesn’t equate with violence. Conservatives and Tea Party activists value, above all, the rule of law as articulated in the U.S. Constitution. Acts of violence are anathema to that philosophy. Rhetoric, however heated, leads us to the ballot box, which is where our differences are settled. It cannot be denied by any rational individual that military or hunting terms are common parlance in the political realm. Thus, Sarah Palin’s “targeting” of Democrats for defeat in 2010 has its parallel in similar language and graphics employed by Democrats and Republicans in prior election cycles. Thus, those who attack Palin are either totally ignoramuses with no historical memory or cynical hypocrites.

    Not incidentally, what is one to make of Obama’s heated rhetoric during the 2008 campaign. In Philadelphia, he said “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun. Because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.” Or when he urged his supporters to confront their friends and neighbors: “I want you to argue with them and get in their face.“

    Similarly comments are replete on the left: Van Jones, Andy Stern (asked about his organizing philosophy, he said: “We prefer to use the power of persuasion, but if that doesn’t work we use the persuasion of power”). Frances Fox Piven, Obama mentor and far-left ideologue, in a recent editorial in the “Nation,” calls on the jobless to rise up in a violent show of solidarity and force. Nothing on the right can match the hateful vitriol of crazed commentators like Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews, Julienne Malveaux, Nina Totenberg, Joe Klein, Bill Maher, Mike Malloy, and many others. Michelle Malkin (who Krazy Keith described as a “big mashed up bag of meat with lipstick”) has a illustrative list of left-wing hate at:

    http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

    In the dozens of Tea Party rallies I’ve attended, I have never witnessed anything remotely like the events shown above. Exposed to the light of truth, the glaring contrast between the Right and Left is unmistakable.

    Or try the Media Research Center for further examples of what has become endemic on the left:

    http://www.mediaresearch.org/archive/nq/best.asp#nq

    Clearly, this horrific act in Tucson was the product of a mentally deranged individual. The international community has, thus far, been unable to construct a universally agreed upon definition of “terrorism,” but it most certainly does not embrace actions by mentally unstable persons lacking even vaguely articulated political or military objectives. Consequently, attempts to score political points by assigning blame to Sarah Palin, the Republican Party, or the Tea Party are both wildly inaccurate and morally despicable. They are also irrelevant to discussion of substantive issues and future course of our country.

    The response by the left to the tragedy of Tucson is, quite simply, a delayed temper tantrum over their thrashing in the Nov. elections. On that day, the American people woke up from the terrible truth of what Barack Obama said back in 2008, that he meant to “fundamentally transform the United States of America.” They said: “NO WAY!” and put the Progressives back in their political playpen.

  • Don

    FUTURE NEWS FLASH: “Powerful bomb detonated at Republican Rally: dozens killed and scores injured.”

    I wonder, if/when such an event occurs (God forbid), if Keith Olberman, Krugman, Maher, Matthews, and all the rest of the liberal talking heads who are blaming the recent carnage in Arizona on “right wing vitriolic rhetoric” will step forward and admit that they “lit the fuse” that detonated the bomb.

    These men have seized upon the recent tragedy in Arizona as an opportunity to vilify the “right” and “conservatives” and “republicans” and blame specific conservatives for that heinous act. They, by their current rhetoric, are portraying republicans as the “party of no” whose “obstructionism” is holding back the liberal transformation of our nation into the utopia they envisage. They are portraying conservatives as the enemies of social progress and charging us with creating a “climate of hate and violence.”

    Surely some fringe lunatic liberal (the woods are full of them) will pick up on this theme and decide it is his/her mandate from Heaven (or Hell..whichever source they claim owns their allegiance)to destroy as many conservative republicans as possible. Let’s pray that it doesn’t happen, but if/when it does, I’ll be watching for the above named talking heads (among others) to confess their culpability and responsibility for the tragedy.

    • bob wire

      “I wonder, if/when such an event occurs (God forbid),

      if Keith Olberman, Krugman, Maher, Matthews, and all the rest of the liberal talking heads who are blaming the recent carnage in Arizona on “right wing vitriolic rhetoric” will step forward and admit that they “lit the fuse” that detonated the bomb.”

      Since many seemed most willing to blame Obama for the BP spill, why not.

      If there is one dot to connect, it will be connected.

      That these three men or any liberal personality has ever publicly made such a threaten statement, I ask you to direct me to it!

      But I failed to understand the nature of your quandary and that being;

      (“willingness to step forward and admit that they “lit the fuse” that detonated the bomb.” )

      If they didn’t , why should they? Or that they wouldn’t if they did, whats it’s relevance? ~

      That the “far right” is wanting to bury the smoking gun in rhetorical bull$hit, is understandable. I don’t blame them. But no one ordered them to climb out such a delicate limb, ~ they did it with joy and great American pride. ~~ Stupid, I know ~ but that’s a right wing example of being very clever.

      I live in Texas, but can you imagine the right wing media blitz that’s been taking place for the last two years in Tucson? ~ I hear enough about it being 650 miles away.

  • Bob Wilkinson

    Mr. Laughner will be diagnosed as “Bipolar Schizophrenia” with extreme Psychotic episodes. As I looked at his booking picture with all of his hair shaved including his eyebrows it hit very close to home– my stepson is a spitting image of Laughner. This happened because parents didn’t take his behavior seriously. A few years ago my wife’s son, obsessed with Avril Lavigne, drove off with his stripped down Volkswagen Rabbit in his underwear totally dead set on going to Canada to marry Avril Lavigne. This tragedy would not have happened if Police Authorities had acted properly. With his disruptions in his community he could have been given a choice of Triage at a medical facility (mental hospital) or jail. Either way he would have ended up in State custody and received proper treatment and “supervision”. It could have been our son who did something like this but we have strick supervision. Our son is now 36 years old. This was a Tragedy and had nothing to do with politics. His obsession with Mein Kampf or the Communist Manifesto and his further obsession with the Congresswoman was because of his Mental illness.

    • nationAP

      Have you seen an interview with Laughner’s former girlfriends on Fox yesterday? One of them said he wasn’t mentally ill at all. All the crazy things he did (like staring at people, etc.) were staged in purpose.

    • American Citizen

      He also had this planned for several years. He is not insane as this proves it. I hope no jury lets him get off on that plea.

  • herman richardson

    Sounds like a bunch of spoiled little children. The only thing this government is doing, is dividing the country. As long as the name calling and finger pointing continues, they can slither around and keep the American people at each others throats. When are we going to realize that we are fighting the wrong enemy. Keep it up and there will be nothing left. This government is no different than the gang members that roam our streets, except we are paying them to destroy our country!! Keep calling each other names, keep pointing fingers, but make sure you are in line for your check

    • nationAP

      “Judge Douglas has paid tribute to my skill with the dagger. I thank
      him for that, but I must admit that he can do more with that weapon
      than I can. He can keep ten daggers flashing in the air at the same
      time. Fortunately, he’s so good at it that none of the knives ever
      falls and hurts anyone.”–Abraham Lincoln(R)
      “Thomas Jefferson(D) In this July 7, 1793, letter, Jefferson urges
      Madison to attack the ideas of Alexander Hamilton: “for god’s sake, my dear Sir, take up your pen, select the most striking heresies, and cut him to peices [sic] in the face of the public.” Both Republicans and Federalists engaged in critical attacks on their opponents.

      Censorship reflects society’s lack of confidence in itself. It is a
      hallmark of an authoritarian regime. ~Potter Stewart

  • Jeff

    All of the problems facing this country and the world owe their creation to the disobedience to Jehovah GOD. Disobedience to God is SIN. So, sin in its many forms is the cause of all our problems. One form of sin that all of us are guilty of committing is the love of MONEY and what it buys our self serving desires. “..the love of MONEY is the root of all kinds of evils (1 Tim. 6.10).” I am not knowledgable about which organization (Agenda 21) or person (Woodrow Wilson) was responsible for the beginning of America’s financial problems, but from what I have learned from several sources in this present age, there is one person who is responsible for a lot of our money evils and that would be George Soros. His agenda, which he does not deny, is to bring America to its knees to play by his rules and dance to his tune. He is the devil’s advocate and a type of anti-Christ figure.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      Watch the Money Master Jeff, it’ll open your eyes even more.

  • Normal Guy

    Just had to come by and see how the gang of hate at liberty alert are reacting to the general call for a more civil discourse.

    I expected that the usual hate speak would be in full display but I was hoping that maybe rationality would rise up – unfortunately just more hate and accusations. It is good to see a few voices of reason on this thread; I think that the light is now turned on the haters (keep you powder dry???). It will be interesting to see if Americans will continue to put up with all the poison spewed by Fox and company, and extreme right sites like this one.

    You polarized conspiracy theorists who rant about global conspiracies and spew vacuous accusations regarding anyone that disagrees with your twisted world view are really showing your colours. You are all about extremism and hate. If you want to damage this country like this nut in Arizona, you will need to keep your powder dry.

    In your world guns are the answer, you would think that you could find better solutions, maybe more congress on your corner where you actually engage with the people you demonize rather than sit in dark corners weaving your hate filled webs.

    Your hate filled paranoid world, populated with Beck’s and Limbaugh’s and Palin’s and Hannity’s. Your vacuous blind faith conspiracies are not America, they are the path to extremist governments that rule through fear and intimidation – Extreme views like those voiced here are the real enemy of this great country.

    Stop hurting America, grow up and get real.

    • nationAP

      Excuse me, who started all this hysteria to connect Sarah Palin to Jared Loughner? You know the answer. Now who is more of a schizophrenic – a loony gunman or liberals with their senseless and baseless propaganda?
      P.S. I also question the “normal guy” sanity.

      • Normal Guy

        Excuse me, but this site is filled with hate and paranoia, has been forever, nothing to do with Palin and Loughner and this event. Americans are looking for a more civil, productive discussion. The ignorance and fear that is so clearly present in virtually every article on this site is the problem, that is the point.

        America is a great nation; the viewpoints expressed by the extremists and clearly in view on this site are the sludge at the bottom of the barrel. If Giffords was not critically injured you would all be tying her to some conspiracy or other because she is on the other side of the political fence.

        Like I said – Stop hurting America. Go do something positive and productive. The sky is not falling you are living in the greatest country at the greatest time in history, engage, enjoy and thrive – life is good.

        • Bitter Libertarian

          I dare you to validate the paranoia part…If people see programs that are mirror images of Communist Russia..what shouls we do? Repackage it, with a red white & blue bow and call it the New America??? Your the one with your head in the sand if you honestly believe that there isnt an attack on America’s Freeedoms.

          • Normal Guy

            You have no clue

          • Bitter Libertarian

            And you are a coward for failing to see the truth.

          • Eric Bischoff

            Or maybe you are just too paranoid and you are letting the Glenn Becks wind you up.

        • nationAP

          “If Giffords was not critically injured you would all be tying her to some conspiracy or other because she is on the other side of the political fence.”
          Gabrielle Gifford is a Blue Dog Democrat, not on a left side. She also has her opponents, which is good, we are still a democracy in spite of all attempts of “useful idiots” liberals to destroy it.
          “nothing to do with Palin and Loughner and this event”…Look at this as a typical example of reaction from the left. As I said, no common sense whatsoever.

          • bob wire

            What? ~ you got to be kidding me!

            We are down a DNC vote in the congressional hall, after a two year blitz of veiled gun threats calling for 2nd Amendment solutions!

            And somehow , we are not suppose to connect the dots?

            Seem the ” extreme right” plans to be victors one way or the other.

            I’m left to guess you don’t understand the nature of proxy or never read the book or viewed the movie “Manchurian Candidate”. It seems such events are seen as perhaps too abstract to be real? could never happen in real life.

            Think again Mister Tea Party. ~ 21 year old’s are easy to program, and the primary reason they make perfect soldiers. I assure you, Today, I’ve no interest in jumping out of a helicopter in full field gear and into a cloud of buzzing white hot flack, so thick you could walk on it. But at 21, I took some pride in such foolish behavior. I was programed to be a bad a$$, to inflict as much harm and damage I could and seen it as being cool. I was awarded medals and privileges for my effective use and programing.

            You people sure can be “thick headed” at times when the data fails to serve you.

            Guilty? ~ no! ~not at all.

            Innocent? ~ hell no! It was your dog and a liberal that fell target in this Arizonia event and We are short a DNC vote today ~ How should we respond to this? Is the GOP going to spot us a vote?

            “DaveH says:
            January 14, 2011 at 10:51 pm

            Liberal alert!
            Go somewhere else, Jean. ( friendly sort )

            “Basil T. Rathbone says:
            January 15, 2011 at 5:53 am
            Lord- so many apologists for socialism show up here to attack this patriot “Chip” fellow. Curious. ( how many?)

            “Ms Non-Communist says:
            January 15, 2011 at 3:26 am

            True Americans will not go quietly in the night while a Communist attempts a takeover – his Saul Alinsky tactics are pathetic. Actually, I’m enjoying this Manchurian man making a fool of himself EVERY day.
            ( I don’t think you could tie your shoes quietly, and where are all these communist? )

            “DaveH says:
            January 15, 2011 at 10:20 am

            There’s more to come. You sneaky Liberals have made too much noise this time and the sleeping giant is awakening. ( Dave, I’m sorry we made such a big deal of this, but we find it very upsetting)

            “Tony says:
            January 15, 2011 at 2:20 am

            Judge Roll was a Republican and Gabrielle Giffords is a “Blue Dog” Democrat who supported a number of conservative issues. How can they possibly blame the right for the attack?” ( dah? who’s public schedule called the event?)

            “David says:
            January 14, 2011 at 9:08 pm

            Damn people are stupid!!!!!! Germany 1938 folks it is here.” ( oh really? well who needs to be shot next?)

            “chuckb says:
            January 14, 2011 at 1:27 pm

            the contemporary term liberal is a misnomer, these current so called liberals are nothing more than what normally would be accepted as marxist.” ( so are you taking that to print in your next book?)

            “Conservative at Birth says:
            January 14, 2011 at 9:08 am

            That’s right, we are keeping our powder dry, in the event you Totalitarian Socialists make your move to declare Martial Law and eradicate us.” ( oh! dear, you need a better gun then)

            ““Doug says:
            January 14, 2011 at 12:47 pm

            That’s why I never bring a gun to a fight I bring myself I love to see the eyes roll back into the head as beat the crap out liberal pukes like you. ” (charming, and much as I feel,~ why bring something when you can take theirs and shove it up their backside, but seriously tell us how you really feel about liberals)

            “Stan Lee says:
            January 14, 2011 at 11:22 pm

            When the Democrats start talking “civility,” they mean Republican behavior, not their own. They don’t find a darned thing wrong with their own attitudes. Well, that’s not a problem as far as I’m concerned.

            Long ago, the reality of Democrat hypocrisy came to me. There will be no “civility” from the Democrats, they can’t wait for another kind of
            tragedy in order to have their press corps propaganda arm launch attacks such as we’ve witnessed this past week.” ( yea, I noticed that too! you are so funny)

            What more can anyone say? I think you have indited yourselves and your worst enemy.

          • DaveH

            Bob Wire is using the typical Liberal tactic of taking statements out of context.
            Please read the context of my comments before you believe a word of what Bob Wire says.
            For instance he quotes the comment — “Liberal alert!
            Go somewhere else, Jean.”
            I did say that, but Jean was explicitly promoting violence. I suspect she is a Liberal trying to make Conservatives look bad. That is my opinion. But whether Liberal posing as Conservative or not, her statement was very violent. I think Bob Livingston would agree with me that her comment is not appropriate for this forum.
            So please read the context of any comment before you believe a word that comes out of Bob Wire’s mouth.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      “You polarized conspiracy theorists who rant about global conspiracies and spew vacuous accusations regarding anyone that disagrees with your twisted world view are really showing your colours.”

      Who the heck are you talking about??? There may be a few items ‘on the shelf” that lack back up data, but nearly everything I’ve seen here the facts to support it can easily be found in History books, and current mainstream news sources, as well as independent sources.

      I love you people that babble about theory because you havent read it yourself…yet you believe the perverted twisted version of the 1st amendment that is believed to mean seperation of church & state.

      • Normal Guy

        Sorry but you theories are full of holes, I have spent lots of time on this site debunking the garbage but delusion is hard to get through and I am not going to waste my time going down rabbit holes.

        It is almost comical, the things that are expressed on this site. The scary part is that unsubstantiated garbage is reinforced through repetition and gullible simple minded people who fear intellectual analysis buy it and spread it. Hopefully this sad state of affairs will wither and die under the light of scrutiny

        • Bitter Libertarian

          Watch the Money masters…then I challange you to go to a public library and debunk everything in that documentary…I DARE you to watch that movie.

          2 yesr ago I watched that, disbelieved it, went to a library and was PISSED to find it all true. Took me 2 months….I was sold..it was true. So if you dont take the challange, fine, you will continue to be deluded.

          • Normal Guy

            Like I said – gullible simple minded people.

            Your make ignorant statements about things with a single source of information no additional evidence. Your pitiful reference to a video of completely unsubstantiated drivel, your ridiculous comparison of the US and the Soviet Union, your accusations of cowardice – I am not afraid of the world – you are clearly the one cowering in fear.

            Your fellow dunderhead saying that the Bilderberg meeting must be a global conspiracy as the 200 wealthiest people get together. Of course people meet to discuss global economics, global politics – we live in a global economy. All the reactionary crap that is expressed on this site are the height of cowardice and ignorance.

            Oh by the way, research genius, why don’t you post your proofs for your propaganda video. If you actually spend ten minutes you will be able to disprove at least all the basic premise – just look up the actual structure of the Fed there are no foreign owners…not one…No Rothchilds involved. Oh just to start – 25 years ago (a generation) the cost of bread was not 25 cents as stated in the opening of the video, it was about 55 cents.

            http://qrc.depaul.edu/djabon/cpi.htm

            You should get some basic business training and study economics, the stuff presented in your ridiculous video is just the worst form of fear mongering directed at the uneducated ignorant reactionaries. So what if the conspiracy theory fears have roots going back to before the start of the Fed, prove any of the fears that you rail about. With all you simpletons 2+2=22.

            Here are some things to look into – why would a gold based currency restrict investment and growth? Hint – a fixed asset in a growing economy is deflationary which discourages investment, encourages hording and makes the wealthy, wealthier the poor, poorer.

        • John Bowman

          I suppose you think the 200 richest and most powerful people in the world gather at the totally secret Bilderberg conference to play poker.

      • truesoy

        Bitter Libertarian, apparently you know something the rest of us don’t know about the 1st amendment. Heck, I guess not even Jefferson knew it! (you know, he was one of the guys way back then, that wrote our Constitution) and when he spoke about ‘the wall of separation of church and State’, according to your interpretation based on your vast knowledge on the Constitution, he, Thomas Jefferson was wrong! Amazing!!!!

    • Bitter Libertarian

      “Your vacuous blind faith conspiracies are not America, they are the path to extremist governments that rule through fear and intimidation – Extreme views like those voiced here are the real enemy of this great country.”

      You believe that nonsence it would seem you never read the Declaration of Independence….

      What make you believe that people running our nation are doing the right thing? The Flag? The Pledge of Allegiance? The Fact that they swear an OATH to the Constitution and within 2 months of getting elected vote for CLEARLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS! What do you call that an oopps???? A Mistake? A Misunderstanding?? Normal Guy…..You NEED to wake up and sober up…For your own good.

      • Normal Guy

        How about we elected them in a process that was structured by our constitution – that the politicians that I have met and know personally are not part of some secret global conspiracy and don’t feel that those around them are either.

        I believe in our system of government, I believe in the people of the United States. The pendulum of public opinion swings right and left but the people generally get back to what is best for the country. The fear filled reactionaries so evident on this site will be buried by a wave popular opinion turning on ignorance and fear.

        All you morons will eventually stop hurting America; the people will expose you from under your fear filled conspiracy rocks and get this country back to the business of building this nation.

    • American Citizen

      You Liberals can’t stand truth. You spin everything to make Conservatives the bad guys when I see the hate coming from your side.

    • John Bowman

      Well if you support big government like mandated national health care then you are the ones hurting the America the founding fathers created and named. This is well beyond the scope of the limited federal government that didn’t encroach on personal freedoms that they created.

  • isk of stupid sh t

    you all kill me fighting or arguing like a couple or a whole lo of school girls I think its sorry as hell & most of you sound much like the biggest aurguementive idiots thats short for all of the goverment who much like -U- would rather argue then say hey that boy should been in a hospital or at least had a helemet on !! or spend time on issues that will never change instead just fixxing the damn problem !!!!!!! no wonder our goverment is such a joke & look at who follows K.M.A TGIF for those who deserve IT !

    • DaveH

      Is that a joke?

  • Don Shaw

    You’re so full of shit, it’s unbelievable. Send me no more of this drivel!

  • http://ByGeorge By George

    Paul Krugman, writer, columnist, political commentator, nitwit and nincompoop and, also, a Pulitzer Prize winner. Why is it necessary to keep identifying him as a Pulitzer prize winner instead of the nincompoop he has clearly identified himself to be?

    These prize giving groups have just about negated any value to the awarding of their prize to nincompoops. I am especially sadden by the Nobel Prize being awarded to other nincompoops we know such as Jimmy Carter, Al Gore and the biggest nincompoop of all, B.H. Obama (peace be upon him). Do these prize awarding groups have no shame? Well, no, because they are composed of similar nincompoops. What’s the saying?: “Bird of a feather…..!” Just an observation. We give them too much undeserved credit by continually referring to them as winners of some supposedly prestigious award. Let it go!

    • nationAP

      Krugman was a smart guy who has received the best possible education.
      It’s another example how a wrong ideology can transform an intellectual into a “useful idiot” ending up writing one-dimensional article for the NYT.

      • nationAP

        I mean “articles”, and lots of them.

  • http://deleted Claire

    I will not comment on this discussion because I hear hateful rhetoric from both parties.

  • chuckb

    claire

    your so called hateful rhetoric is the natural course of things, we all differ in opinion, we do not all agree om government or the people running it. when everyone agrees on the same thing then we all will be in the presence of our god.

    truth to some people is an insult and that’s when the name calling comes into play.

    • http://deleted Claire

      chuckb—Perhaps hateful rhetoric is the natural course of issues, however, it seems to me the hate is worse now than I have ever heard in my entire lifetime. I can remember thinking years ago that the hatefulness/ugliness was bad, and now it is even worse.

      • libertytrain

        Claire. I agree.

  • Mac

    I’m surprised no one has mentioned Bill Maher’s appearance on the Jay Leno “Tonight Show” on the 11th. Maher was practically frothing at the mouth with his rant against the Second Amendment and NRA, broadly painting all supporters of the constitution and the NRA as hate-mongers – and the audience and Jay were applauding him- out of politeness to the guest, I hope. I let NBC know of my feelings about Maher’s rant on their network.

    • DaveH

      You mean there are still people that watch that guy?

  • John

    Doesn’t surprise me, Maher is another psychopath. To blame this tragedy on any political party is beyond disgusting.
    I’ve lost all respect for the left. Disgusting pigs is putting it politely.

  • Janice Fortin

    REQUIRED READING:

    ‘MARIJUANA AND MADNESS”

    and then take a good hard look at “leaders”who PROMOTE ITS LEGALIZATION AND WHO GIVE DRUG CARTEL CARTE BLANCHE INVITATION ACROSS OPEN BORDERS.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      Not sure where you got this from, so allow me to offer a different thought.
      Alcohol was banned with the 18th amendment by a group who believed they were doing good, perhaps even “GOD’S” work. Well all that amendment did was triple the street value, and turn petty thugs and crooks into Multi million dollar tycoons with the financial muscle to overpower law enforcement and law abiding citizens who got in the way. Al Capone and other were EMPOWERED by making alcohol ILLEGAL. What killed that Alcohol war was the 21st amendment.

      Sound familiar?

      Drugs are not healthy, I wont use them, but if you want to HURT a Business you DO NOT attack it by its supply-demand-trade route. You kill the business by forcing its prices so low that its no longer worthwhile to produce, ship, sell. You ATTACK the BUSINESS of the Drug Problem.

      keeping Drugs criminal only keeps them in business, and enables these nut jobs to conduct their child addition-future customer methods even more.

      We need to make it so unprofitable to grow drug crops that they switch to something useful like corn or coffee. And believe me, they WILL. Once that happens and drugs start to vanish due to the unprofitability of it all, the drug war is won by the very means that kept it alive…MONEY.

      • DaveH

        You’re right, Bitter. The vast majority of the problems cited as reasons to ban drugs are the result of their illegality. We are just enriching the drug lords, and giving an excuse for the other side to trample our Constitutional rights.
        I know you mentioned it, but one thing people don’t think about is the incentive for pushers to push the drugs due to their artificially high prices. We don’t hear of cigarette pushers, or alcohol pushers simply because there is no significant monetary gain. The best protection we can give our children is to legalize the drugs, thus taking the incentive away for Pushers to push.

        • Karolyn

          Abso-friggin’-lutely!

          • DaveH

            Thank you, Karolyn.

          • bob wire

            very good dave

  • Flying Eagle

    Who elected the left? Barry was elected by those who voted for him in the belief he was a moderate, but that’s it, no more, the american people now knows who he is.

    Barry and the entire left (progressives) are angry for their plan to transform America, the land of the free and the brave failed, collapsed.

    • nationAP

      You wish! Be prepared for 4 more years (2012-2016). Who will elect Sarah Palin?

      • John Bowman

        The elite and their toadies asked the same question about Ronald Reagan.

        • nationAP

          People elected GWB, twice. We can’t be surprised with anything anymore.
          My problem with Sarah Palin is that she is a quitter, she couldn’t manage a state and we are talking about the country.

      • DaveH

        No offense meant, but Sarah Palin isn’t the answer. I love her spunk. I love her drive. I think she is a very good human being. But she does not impress me as the kind of person who is going to get Big Government off our backs. In my opinion, she proved that by backing John McCain, the RINO of RINOs. Now my state is stuck with that smooth-talking, Big Government loving RINO for another 6 years. Yuck.
        There is only one Political Party that understands the kind of Freedom that Jefferson and others advocated. That is the Libertarian Party — our only chance to regain our Freedom.
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

        However, it would be cool if Sarah woke up and joined us.

  • Flying Eagle

    Claire
    Nation AP- Krugman is part of the liberal Elite who believes they are the only being with supreme intelligence in this planet. Them all have pursued the wrong ideology, the idelogoy of Bertrand Russell, sigmun freud, Marx, Engels, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, et all.

    His article in the soon to be defunct NYT? this paper soon’ll be a thing of the past, no more dwelling for the “useful idiots”. Probably Krugman ‘ll be hired by the Huffington post or by George Soros Himself.

    nationAP says:
    January 14, 2011 at 3:22 pm
    Krugman was a smart guy who has received the best possible education.
    It’s another example how a wrong ideology can transform an intellectual into a “useful idiot” ending up writing one-dimensional article for the NYT.

    Reply

    • nationAP

      “Useful idiots” are here to stay until we have them.

  • http://www.TomBlairEA.com Thomas Avery Blair EA

    My first inclination after reading the myopic left-leaners’ comments on this issue led me to a phrase I remember using when I was myself a know-nothing leftist loadmouthed hippie/yippie: “STOP THE WORLD, I WANT TO GET OFF!”

    I apologize far and wide for the left-lobed never-knew-nothing-and-now-probably-never-will fair-haired liberals…if I and others like me then had been sterilized and had a frontal lobotomy before we could procreate in our youth, perhaps the world would today be a far, far better place.

    The right-minded truly-caring person would have viewed this tragedy that cost so many lives as a failure of our society to discern and assist demented individuals before they harm themselves or anyone else. Pity the victims, their families, the perpetrators’ family and even the perpetrator himself…using this sad event for political purposes proves our society and especially the liberal media enjoy the blood letting and vulgar finger-pointing when the real issue of prayer for the victims and their families, and the family of the perpetrator and for the perpetrator himself for the most part is discounted and ignored. Shame upon those who try to capitalize politically on the untimely and unwarranted death of a nine-year-old girl and the others.

    Shame, shame on all those who have no life in them…only spiritual death and dispair of the heart and soul. Pray for them all…ALL the victims of this evil event.

    Respectfully submitted,

    Thomas Avery Blair, EA

    • American Citizen

      Obama’s speech Wednesday at Tucson ended up being a political speech. It was not at all helpful. He picked the wrong time and place for his comments and what should have been a dignified consolation to the families and our country turned out to be a self-serving political rally. He does nothing to truly bring this country together.

      • Eric Bischoff

        If you can’t see the goodness and heartfelt emotions in that gathering then are must be dumb deaf and blind. It was a healing and it was exactly what that community needed. Or are you not capable of ever finding the goodness in others.

        • nationAP

          No, we don’t because we are not delusional.

          • Karolyn

            Uh, maybe it’s just the opposite. You are so set in your ways that there is no way to see anything that my contradict what you believe to be true. Obama could have prayed through the whole speech, but it would have only come to more criticism about what a hypocrite he is and how he’s using the occasion. Where is your humanity? We are all children of God.

        • DaveH

          Take your blinders off, Eric. Obama doesn’t miss a chance to stroke himself.

      • nationAP

        100% true. We the people made him tone down his rhetorics after November. Now it starts again shining through.

    • Karolyn

      Right here people are using the occasion to push their political agenda.

      And, yes, there is no way to assist those who are mentally ill unless they seek the help themselves or are deemed incompetent or a danger to society or themselves.

      • nationAP

        Who is pushing a political agenda? Who started it in such inappropriate moment? Remember the names, or you need help?

        • Karolyn

          Everyone who is responding here, pointing fingers, is pushing a political agenda.

          • nationAP

            Blame Sheriff Dupnic who started all this nonsense picked up by liberal media.

          • http://deleted Claire

            I heard/saw the sheriff on TV a couple of times. He did not blame the left nor the right–he spoke about the hate and I agree with him.

        • nationAP
  • Karolyn

    Just keep on beatin’ it, Chip! Keep that momentum going! Geez, when is enough enough? And it doesn’t matter that I’m not a conservative. I recognize blatant rabble rousing no matter who it comes from and believe it to be so totally detrimental to the health of this country.

    • Karolyn

      And I could give a crap for Olberman (whom I’ve never actually seen or heard) or any other wacko of his ilk who does the same.

      • nationAP

        Didn’t hear Olbermann? You didn’t loose anything: very plain, predictable, boring liberal, talking in unison with all the others of his ilk.

    • DaveH

      When is enough enough? When the vast majority of Americans have waken from their comatose stupors to the reality of Liberals. So we can drive the thieves and the forcers from our Government.

      • Karolyn

        Do you seriously think that hate, anger, defamation, slander, etc. are the right tools Dave?

        • nationAP

          The job of a citizen is to keep his mouth open.
          Gunther Grass

          • Karolyn

            And his ears shut?

          • nationAP

            “And his ears shut?”
            The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to
            listen. ~Tommy Smothers

          • Karolyn

            That sounds pretty inappropriate as a response to me.

        • DaveH

          Hate, anger, defamation, and slander? Get real, Karolyn.
          When you take peoples’ money against their will, you are a thief.
          When you use the force of Government to make people do things to their own bodies and property unwillingly, you are a forcer.
          I think Karolyn that you are the one here who is hateful, angry, defaming, and slanderous.

          • Karolyn

            Oh, come on, Dave, you know that’s not true about me. Nobody’s doing anything against the people’s will. The will of the people is voiced through the ballot box and by communication with their representatives. Apparently, most of the population does not agree with you.

          • DaveH

            Can you prove any of those things that you said about me, Karolyn? Yet you said them. I was merely treating you like you treated me.

          • DaveH

            And I can prove the things I said while holding up a mirror for you.
            Hate — you were hateful to say such mean things to me.
            Anger — I can only assume you were angry, or why else would you post such a nasty personal attack?
            Defamation? What else would you call it when you make up nasty remarks about my character?
            Slander? Yes, indeed, you were slandering me.

            Unlike most Conservatives, Karolyn, I am not constrained by religion to turn the other cheek. So, if you want to personally attack me, expect to see it come back.

          • DaveH

            And nobody’s doing anything against the peoples’ will?
            Polling clearly showed that the majority of people didn’t want the Healthcare Bill, yet the Democrats did everything in their power to ram that Unconstitutional garbage down our throats.
            Proof of the peoples’ will on that issue:
            http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law

          • DaveH

            And where did you ever get the idea, Karolyn, that theft is moral if enough people vote for it? So, to you, morality is dictated by numbers? If the gang is big enough, it is okay for them to take other peoples’ money?

          • bob wire

            most people can broadcast and receive but Dave I’m beginning to think you are just a broadcaster.

          • DaveH

            Maybe you can pull some strings, Bob, and get the FCC to silence me.

          • Karolyn

            Dave, I said nothing hateful or angry to you or about you. What are you talking about? I don’t really get angry when I write my opinions; I;m usually shaking my head and smiling. This is getting really nuts. I’ve been posting here for a while now; and I’m seeing people getting more and more nasty – even people who weren’t before.

          • kate8

            DaveH – I have to laugh at how the Left can so easily dish it out, but when you call them on it they feign innocence. “Moi?”

            Perfect example in this exchange. Is it possible that they just can’t see it? Maybe its just bred into them.

          • Karolyn

            PK – You guys just pick out and show me where I have been hateful, angry and slanderous to Dave! Wow! I am totally baffled. why do you have to find things that aren’t there just to get at somebody?

          • DaveH

            Karolyn,
            Did you or did you not say to me “Do you seriously think that hate, anger, defamation, slander, etc. are the right tools Dave?”?
            Are you seriously that clueless about your own comments, or are you under the influence of something? If so, please just be honest, and I will promise to not bother responding to your comments anymore.

          • Karolyn

            Dave – I am an honest person; and when I post something, I believe it to be true. You still haven’t shown me where I was hateful to you.

          • DaveH

            Oh, I showed you, Karolyn. I can lead you to water, but I can’t make you drink.

  • catfish

    The left are SOCIALIST and they will say or do any thing they think will discredit the right. They are sitting around waiting for their government check and don’t want common sense to get in their way. The conservatives only need to stay the course to drive the evil from the White House in 2012.

  • Robert Berger

    Look who’s talking.While it may have been premature for liberals to blame this appalling tragedy on right-wing pundits,it was equally wrong to blame it on Karl Marx and Adolf Hitler.
    Loughner is neither a liberal nor a conservative.He is a stark raving lunatic,and individuals like this will use anything as an excuse to commit heinous crimes. Countless people have read the Communist Manifesto etc without going berserk and killing people.
    And Sheriff Dupner was absolutely right when he pointed out how
    right-wing blowhards like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and others have fostered right-wing paranoia and fear and hatred of government, and brazenly used half-truths,distortions and outright lies to foment conservative hysteria in order to make an enormous amount of money for themselves in the most cynical fashion. It’s appalling how such unscrupulous and cynical individuals have become heroes in America.

  • Karolyn

    I just heard on the news that there’s a proposal to have the repubs and dems sit together in congress rather than each on their own side. I think that’s a great idea!

    • chuckb

      karolyn

      if the republicans fall for that one then we better have another election, sit with democrats. oh my god! wouldn’t the demos love that one, the viewing audience wouldn’t be able to see how few of the marxist are left, no pun intended.of course boehner might find a friendly shoulder to cry on.

    • DaveH

      Yep, let’s force them to sit together. That is a very Democrat idea, Karolyn. How can you be so hateful?

      • Karolyn

        What’s so hateful, Dave? They might just learn to interact a little better. It’s all in the name of harmony. Get rid of the “us” against “them” mentality.

        • DaveH

          Force, Karolyn. You just don’t get it do you? Everybody has their own ideas of who they want to associate with. The difference is ‘can they choose who to associate with, or is some self-righteous group going to make that choice for them’?

          • Karolyn

            You know Dave it’s more tradition than anything else. republicans on one side of the aisle and Dems on the other. What the hell difference is it if they don’t get to sit together en masse with their own party. This is not a left-right thing either, because, as we well know there are conservatives and liberals in both parties. What do we have here adults or children. “Waaa! I don’t want to sit next to him!” Give me a friggin’ break!

          • DaveH

            Give me a break, Karolyn. So, are you telling me that I should be able to tell you who to sit next to at a dinner party, or anywhere else? Should I be able to dictate who you associate with? I think you probably have too many Liberal friends. I think we should establish a Friend Quota for you. You must demonstrate that at least 50% of your friends are Conservative. Or else we will fine you.

        • DaveH

          And it is “us versus them”. The Conservatives want Freedom and control of their own money and property, and the Liberals want to take those choices away. It’s that simple.

          • kate8

            DaveH – I thought they were talking about the State of the Union address.

            The reason was so they wouldn’t see such obvious disparity in one side cheering and standing while the larger group remained silent. By mixing them up, it would be less apparent how many were not supportive.

            I hope they decline.

          • http://deleted Claire

            DaveH– I don’t care where any of them sit, just so they are not sitting by me.

          • Karolyn

            Oh, come one Claire. You’re reaching. How would you even know if you were sitting next to a liberal at any event?

          • http://deleted Claire

            Karolyn–Reaching? –My comment pertains to the politicians. I don’t want to sit by any of them. Don’t twist my words. I was not referring to the general public.

          • DaveH

            Let’s see — How could I know if I was sitting next to a Liberal?
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euxOtoLc8W4

          • http://deleted Claire

            DaveH– Good one!

    • Mick

      Karolyn says:
      January 14, 2011 at 6:05 pm
      I just heard on the news that there’s a proposal to have the repubs and dems sit together in congress rather than each on their own side. I think that’s a great idea!

      &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
      Another scheme to confuse the public and cloud the issues to what they really stand for…………And the plots continue…

      • Karolyn

        OMG! You guys see a plot behind every bush! I am so glad I don’t live with such paranoia!

        • libertytrain

          And the left sees a Bush behind every plot – go figure.

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, very good point…I’m still chuckling.

          • libertytrain

            well, she left the door wide open on that one so I had to go in and do a little soft shoe…. :D

  • John

    You forget the racist mexican group La Raza. National council of La Raza.The communist antiamerican radical hate group that hate all exempt mexicans that support their stupid cause. Stupid mexicans that think the entire southwest belongs to mexico. WE must take mexico oil in barrels for every illegal that is in prison, and many times that for repeatly getting caught.It pedicted gas will go to $4.00 a gallon or more.WE must take mexico oil , gas,gold,silver,land,mineral rights,food,etc to pay America back.WE must tax every dollar sent to mexico 98%. By wire ,xoom,moneygram,,ups,post office, cash,check,money orders,cash currency houses,the money will be collected when tranfer is before money is sent.Tax illegals on every thing,New and use car and truck tax of 35% when you get a title and shipped item out of U.S. Tax them. If liberals want high taxes and communist.Take away all there assets and money. Round them up and ship them to North Korea.Go to that place a perfect palce for them.Get out of America!That is what the new gop and conservatives need to do and undo all the hidden antiamerican,anti freedom,taxes on make up stuff.Undo all Obama mandates. In the Obamacare ,Obama want to take all your Gold.No breaks.Obamacare needs to kill it.Two things are wrong before obamacare : 1) illegals are using it. And 2) if you buy insurance out of state it might not cover you.

  • chuckb

    john

    you are talking about the democrat party, la raza is a left wing radical group that votes 100% democrat.

  • Idylewylde

    The LEFT has a right to hate me.

    1.) I believe the Constitution is comprised of inalienable rights, not revocable priviliges.

    2.) I believe in the rule of Law.

    3.) I believe all persons are accountable for their actions.

    4.) I believe in intellectual honesty and accountability.

    5.) I believe Congress should be drug tested.

    6.) I believe the president should be drug tested.

    7.) I believe every department secretary and czar should be drug tested.

    Clearly I am engaging in hate speech, oppression, and racism.
    The LEFT has a right to hate me.

    • DaveH

      Let’s leave drugs out of the picture. The drug wars have been used as a Trojan Horse to roll back our Constitutional Freedoms. They are ineffective in their stated goals, but have been very effective at building Bigger Government.

      • Idylewylde

        No. Sorry. I’m not going to leave drugs out of this.

        What’s wrong with drug testing our political leadership?
        Maybe that will shrink government when thay all het hauled off to rehab.

        La Raz is a front for armed drug gangs that are the military arm of their Reconquista.
        Every time a Lib buys drugs from some street corned thug, they’re financing a South American drug lord who supplies the drugs, money, and soldiers in their cause.

        Leave drugs out of it? Not by a long shot.

        My only request, however, was to drug test our political leadership …. how possibly could you object to that?

        • Karolyn

          I annot believe that you’re saying only liberals use drugs! You must live in a very small world!

          • DaveH

            Damn, Karolyn, I have to agree with you on this one. I have known plenty of drug-using Conservatives in my time.

        • DaveH

          What’s wrong with it? Just More Government is all. Don’t we have enough already? How ’bout we outlaw Stupidity? That would be a lot more conducive to good government.
          Yes, I’m being sarcastic.

        • DaveH

          You’re worried about drug gangs? Me too. So let’s end their reign by taking the money out of their market. Legalize drugs.
          I was a teenager before the drug wars started. Things were certainly no worse then than they are now. And we still had our Constitutional rights.
          If you study the History of Prohibition, it might change your mind. Prohibition brought us the Mafia. The Drug Wars are bringing us the Drug Lords.
          Will decriminalization of drugs result in more drug usage? Read this please:
          http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10080

    • Karolyn

      I believe that by and large most leftists believe in those very same things.

      • Idylewylde

        No way do Libs believe the same things.

        Libs view the Rights in the Bill of Rights as revocable privileges.

        When someone tells you that your Rights are revocable privileges, your real status is that of slave. Slaves have no rights, only revocable privileges.

        We had a little quarrel with the British over this very issue a few centuries back.

        I’m prepared to have the very same argument with the Libs two centuries later.

        • Steve

          Good Post,,and I will defend your arguement…to the utmost.

  • T.L.

    Great Job Chip, You hit the nail on the head. These pin-pricks called media experts are even going after goldbugs now. They are even saying that Loughner was a Goldbug. How is it that a Commie/Nazi admiring punk loves gold and small government. They, the media and it’s bubbleheads need to label all the people who are bad for their cause. Like Stalin/Hitler, they need to only make the lie the truth. Thanks to YOU, and your summation of knowledge, even a shallow mind can figure out they are being played. All patriots and Freedom Loving Americans need to only know the truth, not what they are being “Spoon Fed” by the media.

  • http://bewareofcrowingroosters.com Larry From Indiana

    If this even gets read,which I hope for the sake of the misguided, it does. If there is one person that comments here without full knowledge of what this country was founded on and the meaning of the constitution, then get the hell out. You are as big a part of the problem as the many of the dumb asses in Gov’t.. I really had to choke to even capitalize gov’t!

    • DaveH

      Nice try, Larry. But unfortunately you are thinking very wishfully.

    • night-hunter

      Hey, folks, the Constitution is a document that defines the functioning of our government and LIMITS it. It DOES NOT GRANT RIGHTS! The Bill of Rights are the amendments that our founding fathers were forced to add to make sure the limitations were clearly stated before several states, NC being one of the more prominent, would ratify, forming the United States. Some feel that it should be interpreted. However, the Amendment process is in place to ALLOW for the “modernization” and correction of national problems -the ERA amendment, for example. A comment was made above about treatys being superior to the Constitution. They are only to be equated with laws passed by Congress, which are occasionally found to be unconstitutional- So any treaty that violates our Constitution is null from the start. But, I’m sure a host of lawyers are willing to get paid to disagree.

      • DaveH

        A pertinent point, Night-Hunter, is that any treaties affect all of us (not just the President and his gang). And the Founders were wise enough to require a 2/3 majority of the Senate to ratify any treaties.

  • Jean Langford M.

    I think it’s time to start killing Progressive liberals where ever I find them. I would take great pleasure in doing this to any of them, any time, any where. They are so twisted that if the truth was to stand on there head they still could not see it…or accept it. They live for thier agenda …and see it failing…..This intensify’s thier hate. If the right (The “RIGHT,” I love it…The RIGHT) is going to be blamed for inciting killing, may as well grant them thier wish and make it a reality….who’s next?…Let’s do it next time with a body bomb…Let’s just walk into one of thier little get togethers and kill a whole bunch at one time…I am sure the JEEHAD YEEHAA can find a suicide bomber for the job…no more guns…lets get bloody and REALLY personal…Then maybe there will be an out cry to ban suicide BOMBERS…Islam would be offended then and the left would protest that too…Lets kill some more Liberal Democrat progressives…Lets start with S—-…and those he supports….Any volenteers from the skin heads? Or the White Supreamists? Anybody have the guts to step up and toss a grenade into a bunch of big mouth liberal marchers? I thought not…So lets kill em all with our vote…what do you say? November 2012. See ya there.

    • nationAP

      You bet! The country is ready, where is a worthy candidate for the commander in chief? Sarah Palin?

      • http://deleted Claire

        Ron Paul. Or a third party candidate.

    • DaveH

      Liberal alert!
      Go somewhere else, Jean.

    • who cares

      Hide you guns this (offensive word removed) Jean Lang i feel the same about you dumb asses.

  • Frank

    I think all of you idiots out there who denigrate Reagan for giving us the end of the cold war, and giving us prosperity in increased revenues,( which the idiot left wingers spent as if there is no tomorrow0, should hearken back to one of your heroes, Namely JFK, who advocated the same tickle down economics plan. Where were all of you then? I didn’t hear all that criticism then. Most of you left wing idiots could not be that dumb by birth, you had to go to school to be that stupid. By the way Chip’s column was very sensibly written, and truthful and to the point, and as usual when you left wingers have to truth pointed out to you, you go off on a tangent.

  • Void1972

    A Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) report circulating in the Kremlin today states that the top US Federal Judge for the State of Arizona was assassinated barely 72-hours after he made a critical ruling against the Obama administrations plan to begin the confiscation of their citizen’s private retirement and banking accounts in order to stave off their nations imminent economic collapse, and after having the US Marshals protecting him removed.
    According to this SVR report, Federal Judge John McCarthy Roll was the Chief Judge for the United States District Court for the District of Arizona who this past Friday issued what is called a “preliminary ruling” in a case titled “United States of America v. $333,520.00 in United States Currency et al” [Case Number: 4:2010cv00703 Filed: November 30, 2010] wherein he stated he was preparing to rule against Obama’s power to seize American citizens money without clear and convincing evidence of a crime being committed.
    The case being ruled on by Judge Roll, this report continues, was about bulk cash smuggling into or out of the United States that the Obama administration claimed was their right to seize under what are called Presidential Executive Orders, instead of using existing laws. The Obama administration used as support for their claim before Judge Roll, the SVR says, the seizing of all American citizens’ gold, in 1933, by President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s signing of Executive Order 6102, which was ruled at the time to be constitutional.
    Should the Obama administration win their argument to seize their citizen’s money by Executive Order without having to abide by the law was made more chilling this past week when reports emerged from the US stating that President Obama and his regime allies were, indeed, preparing to rule America by decree since their loss this past November of their control over the US House of Representatives, and in the words of the Washington Posts columnist Charles Krauthammer: “For an Obama bureaucrat … the will of the Congress is a mere speed bump”.
    Since taking office in early 2009, Obama has completely overturned the once free United States through his use of Executive Orders that asserts his power to put anyone he wants in prison without charges or trial forever and his right to assassinate any American citizen he deems a threat.
    The most chilling of these powers Obama has asserted for himself, however, are contained in Executive Order 13528 he signed nearly a year ago (January 10, 2010) creating a Council of Governors he has hand-picked to rule over the United States in place of its elected representatives when their next “disaster” strikes and orders them to begin “synchronization and integration of State and Federal military activities in the United States; and other matters of mutual interest pertaining to National Guard, homeland defense, and civil support activities”.
    Going from the chilling to the outright scary, about whatever “disaster” the American regime is preparing their people for, is Obama’s Homeland Security Department, through their Ready.Gov organization, beginning to air this past week a public service television commercial titled “World Upside Down” that shows a typical family sitting in their home suddenly losing all of its gravity and warning all who watch it to begin preparing.
    Note: In our previous reports US Descends Into Total Police State As 2012 ‘Solar Chaos’ Fears Grow, Pole Shift Blamed For Russian Air Disaster, Closure Of US Airport and Poisonous Space Clouds Slamming Into Earth Cause Mass Bird And Fish Deaths we had detailed some of fears the US government are most worried about, but which they still will not be truthful to their citizens about.
    Interesting to note about the assassination of Judge Roll is that it is being blamed on a “lone gunman” said to be mentally unstable (aren’t they all) said directed at a US Congresswoman named Gabrielle Giffords, who survived this mass killing, and that killed at least 5 other innocent people, including a 9-year-old girl named Christina Taylor Green “curiously” born on September 11, 2001 (9/11).
    Equally interesting to note about the assassin, a 22-year-old man named Jared Loughner, is that he is being described by the propaganda media organs in the US as an “anti-government” type individual who prior to this mass killing is said to have left “crazed rantings” on the Internet, but whose “handler”, described as a white male between 40-50 years old with dark hair, is still being sought after.
    The circumstances surrounding Judge Roll’s assassination by Loughner, also, mirror those of Farouk Abdulmutallab (aka The Underwear Bomber) who “used cash to buy a one-way ticket to the United States at the last minute while carrying no luggage and being on a terrorist watch list. Incredibly, his father had communicated to the US Embassy in Nigeria in November that Abdulmutallab had been radicalized and may be planning a terrorist attack.
    At least one witness—passenger Kurt Haskell—claimed that a well-dressed Indian man had escorted Abdulmutallab to the ticket counter and told a ticket agent that Abdulmutallab didn’t have a passport but needed to get on the plane.”
    To if this Loughner is able to join the long list of CIA/US Military “mind controlled” assassins there appears to be no doubt as his actions, past, present and future, shows his fitting the “profile” of these maniacs as detailed in the massive lawsuit currently wending its way through the US Federal Court system [United States District Court Northern District Of California, San Francisco Division Case: CV-09-0037] filed against the US government by hundreds of veterans, and as we can read as reported by the Raw Story news service:
    “It’s well known that the CIA began testing substances like LSD on soldiers beginning in the 1950s but less is known about allegations that the agency implanted electrodes in subjects. A 2009 lawsuit claimed that the CIA intended to design and test septal electrodes that would enable them to control human behavior. The lawsuit said that because the government never disclosed the risks, the subjects were not able to give informed consent.”
    To if the American people will ever be told the truth about Loughner and his assassination of Judge Roll there seems little doubt as the Obama regime is fighting with everything it has to keep the information on these “mind controlled” assassins secret, and as we can read as reported by the Courthouse News service:
    “The Central Intelligence Agency in January (2011) will argue for dismissal of Vietnam veterans’ claims that the CIA must provide them with information about the health effects of chemicals used on them during Cold War-era human experiments. The CIA also claims it is not obligated to provide the veterans with medical care for side effects of the drugs. It’s the CIA’s third attempt to get the case dismissed.
    “In a 2009 federal lawsuit, Vietnam Veterans of America claimed that the Army and CIA had used at least 7,800 soldiers as guinea pigs in “Project Paperclip.” They were given at least 250 and as many as 400 types of drugs, among them sarin, one of the most deadly drugs known to man, amphetamines, barbiturates, mustard gas, phosgene gas and LSD.
    Among the project’s goals were to control human behavior, develop drugs that would cause confusion, promote weakness or temporarily cause loss of hearing or vision, create a drug to induce hypnosis and identify drugs that could enhance a person’s ability to withstand torture.
    The veterans say that some of the soldiers died, and others suffered grand mal seizures, epileptic seizures and paranoia. The veterans say the CIA promised in the 1970s to compensate those who were made guinea pigs, but the 2009 complaint states that the government “never made a sincere effort to locate the survivors.”
    In its 32-page motion to dismiss the group’s third amended complaint, the CIA claims it has no legal obligation under the Administrative Procedures Act to provide the veterans with notice of the drugs’ health effects and that the veterans’ notice claim “rests solely on state common-law duty.”
    The CIA claims that the law on which the veterans base their claim for health care compensation stems from the Department of Defense and Army regulations, “which do not purport to have a binding affect on the CIA.” And it claims that the Defense Department “never intended nor committed to providing medical care for service member participants in the test programs.”
    Based upon the CIA’s assertion that the US Defense Department “never intended nor committed to providing medical care for service member participants in the test programs” clearly shows their knowing of the existence of these “mind control” assassins, like Loughner, leading one to wonder how many more of them are out there, and even worse, when they will strike next.
    One can only hope that there is some “power” in America today able to stop the madness currently taking over that once great nation before all is truly lost, we hope it is much sooner than later for all of the worlds sake.

    • Karolyn

      And you believe the Russians? Give me a break! Boy you must be really excited to break this news here Frank! Everything just falls right into place too! Golly. Even to the girl being born on 9/11! Curiouser and curiouser!

      • nationAP

        Sounds like a “conspiracy theory”, but the spirit is true to the reality. (Sarah Palin started looking not so bad.)

        • nationAP

          And don’t dismiss Russians so fast, they’ve been there and know a thing or two about the dictatorship and it’s tools.

      • DaveH

        So you dismiss the statement, out of hand, with no proof whatsoever other than what you want to believe, Karolyn?
        It’s no wonder Hitler had such an easy time of bending the German minds. Whether the theory is right or wrong, if the Germans could pull off what they did, and the Chinese could pull off what they did, and the Russians (USSR) could pull off what they did, do you really have such a closed mind as to think our Government, as powerful as it is, isn’t capable of great mayhem?

        • Karolyn

          Dave, Well, where did this out-of-the-blue article come from? Somebody’s twisted mind? Why was no link provided? I am not as naive as you think and do reflect on things I hear. Much of it is likened to movies I’ve seen; and I’ve always said that I know there’s a lot we don’t know. However, any article that would point to Loughner as having a handler has to be totally discounted. His life and movements are an open book. And as far as using the girl’s birthdate – give me a break! What, she was lured there because of her birthdate? Does anybody know how far in advance the judge had decided to go to see Giffords? This does not seem to have been a huge structured event where he would have been on a list or anything. It really just doesn’t wash. Just too far out. As far as the drugs go, yes, I have suspicions about the CIA and other covert parts of the government. Who knows what the hell they’re doing. I doubt the President knows everything. Many of those movies I’ve mentioned have made a lot of sense. I don’t trust the military and the CIA.

          • Karolyn

            Also, Void 1972 is certainly nowhere to be found right now, is he? Just some made up crap to stir the pot.

          • DaveH

            Good grief, Karolyn. If you want to bury your head in the sand and not believe anything that might rock your Hopes and Dreams, fine, I believe in that Freedom.
            But why try to sway others to be equally naive?
            http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/top-us-federal-judge-assassinated-after-threat-to-obama-agenda/

          • kate8

            Out of the blue, Karolyn? Isn’t this the link I posted to you, personally, a few days ago? Or something very close to it.

          • kate8

            As far as there being a handler, Karolyn, the police at the scene were the first to mention that, and that they were looking for him. That was reported several times the day it happened.

            Seems they aren’t speaking about that anymore.

    • Defender of Patrick Henry

      Didn’t intend to add another comment tonight, thought I had taken too much space, but this caught my attention. Most people are uncomfortable with how things are going in our country today. The stun gun for us recently, was O’s Executive Order sealing all of his personal information from citizens’ access. That was definitely a “mooning” which he continued to offer us in his bows to foreign leaders. Bowing according to Japanese culture, bares the neck to the one being bowed to. The bow’er makes his life vulnerable to the other person. Sort of like a doggie rolling over and putting all 4 paws up. An act of submission. Our leaders are not to do that to anyone when working on our time on our dollar. They can kneel and kiss feet if they want to when they are no longer representing the USA. O knows that or he is an idiot. Your article mentions drugs that enable people being tortured to withstand the abuse… it popped out to me because I saw a tv pgm yesterday with a scene of a law intelligence agent tied up and threatened with torture. When the criminal stepped out of the room, his companion who was not participating, tried to help the agent and secretly gave him an injection, telling him the drug would ease his pain and enable him to withstand the torture if it happened. Regarding Judge Roll… it had been publicized about Roll taking a position that upset the Administration. The information you submitted reminds us that we need to take closer looks at issues that we aren’t getting enough or complete information about, and to complain when we see the issues fade from print too fast without satisfactory closure or follow-up. Thank you. Nite all.

    • truesoy

      Void. Void? void yes, of any sign of intelligent life from the planet you came from. Please, tell us you are not from around here!, and if you are, then I think you should see a doctor immediately and afterwards share your medicine with the rest of the fools (conservatives) you hang out with. It’ll do them good!. Really.

      • DaveH

        And we hear from another Droid.

  • ’53 Korean Vet

    The “Real Hate Mongers” have reloaded to a different weapon-! But even
    other Liberals haven’t been warned of the dangers they’re in-! I’m in
    that age-group who saw “X-ray-sized to Fit” in all Shoe-Stores, such as “Buster-Brown” & the rest-! When the AMA doctors convinced State govts. to “Outlaw” them as “Dangerous” & Laws were passed to remove them from all Stores-! (Think “Dangers” to kid’s eyes, causes Cancer,
    & X-rays are one of few things that “Sterilize” kids, where they’ll never had children of their own-!) The TSA demands that kids under 12
    have to be x-rayed with a “Full-Body Scan”-! (Why-!? Are the kids real
    “terrorists-!? From what planet-!?) Are any of the TSA operatives been
    qualified as Medical X-ray Technicians-!? (Apparently Not–they have
    never warned any of the American Public of the hazards & dangers of
    X-ray machines-!) That means that totally “Unqualified” members of TSA
    are running “Dangerous” Machines, & our Fed. Govt. gives them power to
    send anyone who defies the right to be “Forced” thru the “Scanners”, with jail & $10,000 fines, or both-! When will a group “Class-Action”
    law-suit occur-!? Many of you–are “Forced to be “Sterilized” w/o your permission-! “Smart-Lawyers” will make Billions of Dollars on just their Fees on this one-! 4 million Americans “Sterilized” where they won’t have any children-! (Don’t you see the “Real-Hate” here-!?)
    Even the Liberals should be alarmed–since no one warned them either-!

    • ’53 Korean Vet

      I need to “Illustrate” for those of you that have ever gotten a X-ray!
      What did you see the X-ray Tech do-!? 1st-they wear a “Full-Body” lead
      apron-! Next, once they prepared you, they “Step-right” out of the room before the “X-ray is shot-!” (Ask any Dr.–why the lead-apron-?)
      The Truth is that none of the X-ray Tecnicians want to be “Sterilized”
      without their permission-! Nor do any of them want Cancers to follow
      their dangerous work-! Since X-rays were declared as “Dangerous” in 1939, who has changed the laws-!? What was a Danger then, still is a Danger in 2010-! Warped Minds Beware-! I don’t need to argue–just use some “Common-Sense-!”

      • Defender of Patrick Henry

        oh my gosh, so many good posts here… xrays are dangerous for all the reasons you have listed. Recently an emergency room doc told parents of a child who fell from a climbing gym in a park that it was their choice about xraying the back area. He had fully examined the entire body, vision, sound, muscles, joint movements etc. and diagnosed no injury. He offered parents the option of xray and cautioned them that the xray is permanent in the body and each one accumulates its product in the body. He mentioned also that an xray of the bruised area would encompass the kidneys. The parents opted out. So now, these parents will never allow their children to be xrayed or touched by strangers to get on an airplane. They very bright adults and great, protective parents. We could stop the xray abuse by scheduling travel in other modes… er, no, that could collapse the aviation industry and O would simply give freebees out of our pockets anyway. Need a plan.

  • hundabuxt

    I’ve GOT IT! Play Sarah Palin’s speeches backwards. She’s the devil!
    Idiots.

  • David

    So she is Sarah-Yoko-Ohno-Lennon-Palin?

  • David

    Geez don’t forget Manson,Dahmer,Gacy,Bundy,Castro, Guevara, Stalin,Mao,Hitler, Mussolini, etc, etc… They were all great guys. Damn people are stupid!!!!!! Germany 1938 folks it is here.

  • David

    Ever dawn on anyone, the judge may have been the real rarget, just ruled against Osama regarding retirement siezure? Nah that could never happen. Ask my liberal nieghbors, who follow me around, from the grocery store, To resturants, wineries, the gym, pretty much everywhere. This is beyond ridiculous.

    • DaveH

      David,
      Are there two of you? Maybe you could further qualify your name so we don’t get you two confused.

    • Karolyn

      YOU are beyond ridiculous!!! EVERYTHING that has been discovered points to the nutjob’s targeting of Giffords!!!!!!!!!! Unbelievable! (shaking head)

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  • Stan Lee

    When the Democrats start talking “civility,” they mean Republican behavior, not their own. They don’t find a darned thing wrong with their own attitudes. Well, that’s not a problem as far as I’m cncerned.

    Long ago, the reality of Democrat hypocrisy came to me. There will be no “civility” from the Democrats, they can’t wait for another kind of
    tragedy in order to have their press corps propaganda arm launch attacks such as we’ve witnessed this past week. Never mind the pretty words from Obama, he’s done that before and what is there to show for it?

    Don’t accept their forked tongue entreaties, they’ll never change. What they are and have been is a successful guise for them. Plus, even though it’s been about a week since the House reverted to Republican leadership, the Democrats don’t believe it, won’t believe it, the votes that sent 63 Democrat Representatives home from the People’s House were just an indication that the voters who cast those votes were ignorant and only the Democrats know what’s best for this nation.

    That is why and how they jammed unwanted legislation down our throats, like it or not, and that is the same method they’ll employ in the future if given the chance. Every day that the Republican House meets will be a confrontational day for those we’ve elected. We must stand with them every step of the way.

    • JeffH

      Stan, “We must stand with them every step of the way.” I don’t buy it for one second…I’ll keep my eyes and ears on them(Republicans) every step of the way. There are very few of them that aren’t out for themselves personally or politically. They’re not much different from the Democrats and have most certainly contributed to this countries slow demise. The Republicans have been handed a chance to make a difference but by no means are they allowed to do it their way.

      “Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal…”

      ” — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”
      Abe Lincoln
      Gettysburg, Pennsylvania
      November 19, 1863

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    Wiselady says:
    1-14-11

    The detection of impatience and anger anger is evident on both sides. After reading numerous comments, it is evident that we have had enough of political lies that denies us the right to consider doing some research on the “lies”. Twisted words and analysis are hard to disect.

    In having a discourse with the liberals, I find that they never seem to answer the question when I asked them. Careful listening.. tells me that too often they can’t produce facts to substantiate their statement, and their pride and ego won’t permit them to say, ” I don’t have any”. Could it be that the blame syndrome becomes the norm for escape from the truth? Poor things, their health must be a total mess. Being angry is not healthy.
    The truth hurts but at least one can take it for what it is worth and accept it or leave it. Liberals can’t DEFINE it. Gosh, it must be truly misserable to be angry all the time as I have seeen some liberals like Olbermann, Chris Mathews, who very frequently won’t allow his guests to answer his questions. Listen to Joy Bahr! Her facial contortions are giving her,old age at a quick pace. Their political rehtoric is repetitious, that bores me. If I am doing a speaking engagement,I let them know politely how many times they told me the same thing in three or four different ways. Listen carefully to what they say and you’ll see them fall into their own trap of ignorance upon reflecting on their comment with a question. I just pray for them. I choose to maintain good health. Be patient, strong and forthright with facts.With the truth, you won’t have a problem remembering it, it will be there.

    I listen to liberals because I like to be objective and hear both sides, but these people just want a job and they seem to do it well with their bloviating and temper tantrums. They were not gifted in listening and won’t admit they are dumb. I view many of them with comedy!

    • Tony

      Why has no one brought up the fact that when the left attacts conservatives as “vitriol” and the cause of last week’s tragedy, they don’t seem to mention that the victims were not those one might consider “enemies” of conservatism. Judge Roll was a Republican and Gabrielle Giffords is a “Blue Dog” Democrat who supported a number of conservative issues. How can they possibly blame the right for the attack?

      I’m really bummed that they are calling for our rights to free speech to be suspended. Stifling the right wing pundits and talk show hosts is unconstitutional!!

    • truesoy

      Wiselady, liberals have no problems producing facts; truth of the matter is that conservatives are so narrow minded they feel they are entitled to their ‘own facts’ and it does not matter what they are told, or how much evidence one produces that proves them wrong, they will still forge ahead with the ‘facts’ handed to them by ‘their genies manipulators/puppeteers’ to promote an agenda that in many ways is/could be detrimental to their welfare and to our country. You’re all buying a ‘trojan’ horse. WISE UP!

      • DaveH

        The Trojan Horse is in the Whitehouse.
        People are wising up, Truesoy, that’s why we threw out so many Big Government politicians in November. There’s more to come. You sneaky Liberals have made too much noise this time and the sleeping giant is awakening.

        • Vicki

          Truesoy is being funny or projecting. Not sure which.
          If the liberal actually had facts they would offer both the fact and the links to evidence to demonstrate the fact.

        • truesoy

          DaveH, you are mistaking the lack of voters turn out in the mid-term election with support for the conservative agenda, that’s all.

      • DaveH

        Ok, Truesoy, for argument sake let me establish a couple of conditions.
        1) We ignore the immorality of taking other peoples’ property.
        2) We decide that people have no right to own property. Of course this second condition is impossible, because under any such circumstances somebody will have possession of that property, whether it be commune leaders or government leaders or other controllers. But we will ignore that.

        Why would people bother working hard when there is no reward? As a result of the incentives to work being stripped away, the amount of goods and services would decrease substantially in the economy. So each of us would have less even if we split it somehow evenly amongst the population. Having less, we wouldn’t be able to afford the clean environment that we can now afford, so the quality of our environment would degrade (remember that Liberals say they want a clean environment). Does this sound like idle conjecture? It isn’t. It has proven out in country after country that has fallen for the Siren Song of the Leaders. Experience tells us that Big Governments lead to bad economies — very bad economies. Want proof?
        Here is a list of countries ranked by the Most Economically Free (smallest amount of government) to the Least Economically Free. You can get the particulars on any country by clicking on their country link. Tell me honestly that you would rather live in Cuba, or Zimbabwe, or any of the other countries near the bottom of the list:
        http://heritage.org/index/Ranking

        For you people who have seen this list before, notice that the US has now fallen to 9th place with Denmark moving into the 8th place. Our once great bastion of Freedom is going down the tubes quickly. Our Founders would be really proud of us (NOT!).

        • truesoy

          DaveH, there is purpose in government, unless you prefer to live in Somalia, they have ‘very little government’ and taxes are next to nothing, a real conservative ‘utopia’, I’d say.

          • DaveH

            Truesoy,
            thanks for posting. Now people can see the ridiculous lengths you Liberals will go to in an effort to support your failed policies. Somali has been involved in civil strife since the Communists took over in the 1970s.
            For anybody who wants to investigate further:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia#Communist_rule

  • earl weldon

    I once saw a bumper sticker on this car and I had never heard it put this way before but it said rabid yellow dog democrat and to make sure I understood exactly what it was saying, I asked the 35 to 40 year old woman about it she got heated right off the bat and started attacking me like I had just said I hated her guts or something and started going on about how that no matter what happens she is almost like a rabid attack dog on any issues or any one who is not a democrat so I non-chalantly asked her if George W. Bush had been a democrat if she would have voted him in the office or what….she said and I quote Oh H*ll F@ck no….no way in H#ll would I ever vote for that man………….

    • Karolyn

      And?????????

  • Ms Non-Communist

    Obviously, when Obummer sent his memo out hours after the shooting, he not only instructed his minions to ‘blame it on the right’, but also to take the battle to Conservative websites. His form of psychological warfare is so obvious, a third grader could see through it. But then again, many Union thugs couldn’t follow the thought processes past the third grade. True Americans will not go quietly in the night while a Communist attempts a takeover – his Saul Alinsky tactics are pathethic. Actually, I’m enjoying this Manchurian man making a fool of himself EVERY day.

    • kate8

      MsNon-Communist – I posted an article on this site months ago, saying we could expect incidents like this shooting to occur in 2011. It stated that the media spin scripts were already written and sent out, to be followed at the proper time.

      No way do I believe this was a random act. But most people don’t question the media reporting.

      The rest of the world is laughing at us.

      • kate8

        Moments after the shootings the press began hurling blame at rightwing ‘hate speech’, complete with sound bites, video, and well planned dialogue among the left-wing media.

        Tell me that wasn’t already planned.

  • http://none Alex

    Close the Gun Show Loophole now!

    • DaveH

      What loophole?
      The Second Amendment:
      “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”.

      Militia: “An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers”.

    • JeffH

      Alex, tell us what the “gun show loop hole” is and why it must be closed? I’m curious because the same federal and state laws applies to the gun show vendors that apply to the dealers and law abiding citizens. As a matter of personal knowledge, because I’ve experienced it personally, ATF agents are regular visitors to gun shows.

    • Vicki

      There isn’t a gun show loophole. That is just a propaganda piece to try and shut down gun shows. If there were a “gun show loophole” Alex could have described it and provided a link to his source.

      • JeffH

        Vicki, can you say “climate change” or “progressive”? lol

  • Basil T. Rathbone

    No way I’m going to read ALL the comments above, but I’m rather hoping they got better than the first 10 or so. Lord- so many apologists for socialism show up here to attack this patriot “Chip” fellow. Curious.

    • DaveH

      Yes, but I like it. How else can fence-straddlers get to see inside the Liberal minds? Those Liberal posters do more damage to themselves than they do to their opponents.

      • Vicki

        It’s a view they won’t like but it is a view they will remember. That is the reason many of us engage liberals in debate. All the better to see inside. Just don’t go there :)

      • bob wire

        while not a liberal, compared to you, yes.

        and I don’t abide the notion, “in for a penny, in for a pound”

        especially with such a general message! ” for the end should justify any means”.

        A good captain, arrives with ship,cargo and crew accounted for, even if it’s at the price of being off schedule .

        Too often, some wish to throw cargo and dead weight over the side and make hast, tacking wing to wing with the wind at our stern and our sails full of gail force winds, the hull actually surfing the waves. That it’s not the desired course of little import. We are making way at a rapid clip. We feel like we are doing something as we go the ways of prevailing winds.

        • DaveH

          Of course you are a Liberal, Bob Wire. Anybody who has read enough of your comments knows that.

          • JeffH

            ….remember DaveH, bob dislikes “labels” whether they fit or not…

          • Karolyn

            But you know there is a large segment of the population that cannot be pigeonholed into a label. I am down with some of what you guys say, especially when it comes to the FDA. I do not totally dismiss many of the conspiracy theories. If it cannot be disproven, then it might be true is my motto. Despite what you might think, I do have an open mind, always have. I always look at both sides. It’s the extremism that I stay away from, and I think Bob is the same way. Even in my hippie days, I wan’t a radical. That is what totally turns me off to much of what is said here. That being said, don’t think that I don’t give it a certain amount of thought.

          • DaveH

            Karolyn,
            I do think there is hope for you.
            What is Extremism? It is just another of the many labels that are used to manipulate the public so that learders can keep on keeping on with their sneaky actions.
            Maybe you are truly as innocent as you claim to be. I don’t know since I don’t know you personally, but I do know that evil people are always quick to play the victim (not talking about you). I’ve been directly involved with two in my life. Believe me when I say that without knowing these two people intimately as I did, you might have been inclined to believe their lies and innocent acts.

            My point? Don’t be so sure that the so-called “extremists” aren’t telling the truth.
            All anybody can do is to learn as much as they can and make an informed opinion of what makes sense and what doesn’t.
            To me, it is very obvious that Liberal policies are both immoral and don’t even work in the long run.
            I think, Karolyn, if you did as much study as I have, you would agree.

          • DaveH

            Here’s one lady, Karolyn, who has seen the light. I hope you will join her:
            http://www.slate.com/id/2268090/

          • Vicki

            Karolyn. Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. moderation in the pursuit of justice (not “social justice”) is no virtue.

            I am not the first to say that :). When I was younger I was taught by the democrats to hate the man who said it. Public (mis)education and the MSM did a lot of other brainwashing to me as well.

            I broke the brainwashing thanks to of all things a Canadian. Well he chipped the wall. I tore down large pieces of it myself from that original chip. The brainwashing is still in my head. I work everyday at pulling down more of it.

            That is probably why I recognize where you are. I was there too. I know that you have an open mind and that there is hope for you. I see in your writings the cracks you have made in your programming. Keep up the good work.

            This is going to sound silly in print but it sounded good in my head :)

            “Karolyn. Tear down that wall” ;)

  • Mick

    libertytrain says:
    January 14, 2011 at 11:31 am
    Mick – it would seem you have to be mistaken. Those kind of things only happen here in the USA, certainly not in France.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    libertytrain ,,You’re Obviously joshing but i am afraid we’re next….

    • libertytrain

      You are right, it is frightening to think what lay ahead for us. I was referring to the attacks on women – so many times I’ve heard how things like that don’t happen in other countries only here – And of course they do.

  • http://deleted Claire

    “If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the principal difference between a dog and a man.” Mark Twain

    Kinda sounds like politicians.

    • DaveH

      Good post, Claire.

  • DaveH
  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    TO Wiselady,
    Hillery Clinton said on tape on TV, Don`t call me a
    Liberal, Call me a PROGRESSIVE.There is only about 45 true liberal
    Democrats left in Congress,they now are Progressives.Forget the Democrat party,no more exist.The Progressive take over of the Democrat
    party is complete.SO,you people who voted for Obama are no longer Democrats, you have been brought into the NEW Progressive Party.Sounds
    like Germany and Hitler all over again.

    • DaveH

      Same philosophy, different name. The Liberals have distanced themselves from the word “liberal” for reasons like this:
      http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Conservatives-Single-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx

      For similar reasons they are trying to change “global warming” to “climate change”.

      • Vicki

        Global Warming IS coming. Around here we call it Spring. :)

        • bob wire

          well Vicky it’s a big world and you and I only occupy a small spot for a brief time. But yea, I’d it’s warming somewhere. ~ The snow cap on Kilimanjaro that Hemingway writes of is all but disappeared and polar glacier fields are receding at a accelerated speed.

          The US Navy yard and it thousands of miles coastal docks and operations have budgeted in projected cost due to rising water levels in the coming years.

          But, fear not, it’s not yours or my problem today.

          • http://deleted Claire

            It may not bother others, but it bothers me.

          • kate8

            All of the other planets in our system are warming, as well. Is that our fault, too?

            We have had billions of years of warming cycles and cooling cycles. It never goes in one direction forever. It has to do with the sun, which has its own cycles.

            I can’t believe how people with common sense can’t understand this.
            Besides, many scientists are now saying that we are heading into a mini ice age.

            Global warming is a ruse made up by the elites to get us to accept more and more regulation and control over our lives. Not to mention reworking our whole system and making them tons of money.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Well, I guess we all choose to believe what we want to believe. I am one that believes there is global change, climate change–to me there appears to be more volatility, more of them. Some weather patterns have changed, especially where I live.

          • kate8

            That’s the whole point, Claire. The climate is not static. It, like everything else, is in constant change. Science has always known that the Earth has gone through warm cycle and ice ages.

            Look at Glacier Nat’l Park, for example. As the glaciers have moved, they’ve revealed tree stumps where the movement of the ice has cut them off. The fact that there are tree stumps proves that there were, at one time, it was warm enough for trees to grow there. And may well be again.

            Also, the magnetic poles have been shifting at an accelerated rate. Magnetic north is now somewhere in Siberia. As that happens, there are changes in the usual climates around the globe.

            All of creation operates in cycles. That’s how God made things. It’s not that anyone doesn’t believe in climate change. It’s just that we don’t believe that it’s unnatural.

          • kate8

            Claire – Have you been keeping up with the bird and fish deaths? There have been many more around the world. We even had bird deaths here in CA.

            Here’s a new one: 200 cattle found dead in field in WI.

            http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-wi-deadcows-wisconsi%2C0%2C588933.story

            Are we going to be among them soon?

          • http://deleted Claire

            kate8–I understand what you are saying. But the volatility bothers me. I am to the point where I dread Spring anymore. Those dang tornadoes. And a couple of weeks ago we had an F3 tornado 20 miles from me–in wintertime–63-64 degrees possibly a bit warmer. Unreal. Truly, we rarely ever had a tornado, now within the past 8 or so years they are a given.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Kate8–You must have ESP!! I was thinking of posting this stuff but you beat me to it. I am glad you brought this up. Yes, I have heard about all these mysterious deaths of birds and the cows. Now this really bothers me, and frankly it pisses me off. What the heck is going on and is our government checking this out? If they are, do you think we will get the truth? I don’t. Something fishy is going on, all over the US and other countries. Egads, I keep thinking chemical warfare. Isn’t it pathetic when a person cannot even trust their own government to find out what the heck is going on! I could have a hissy fit. This could very well be a serious issue. I want answers to this issue and I want them now.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Kate8–200 cows, that is a lot. Perhaps I could go along with a few but 200? I would think the farmer would have noticed something beforehand. All 200 of them “found dead”–apparently they all died at the same time? Very odd. Any person with half a brain would know if their animals were sick. And supposedly the “virus” will not affect humans. Nope, something is very wrong.

          • DaveH

            Man cannot change the weather now, and never will be able to. It’s a political football, that is all. Pick up a copy of this book at the library or buy a copy and wake up before we are all serfs:
            http://www.amazon.com/Power-Grab-Policies-Bankrupt-ebook/dp/B003H04RWM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1295152991&sr=8-4

          • bob wire

            “All of the other planets in our system are warming, as well. Is that our fault, too?”

            Hmm, well Katie, I didn’t know they were warming as well. To my knowledge, Earth is the only planet in our solar system that offers a hospitable climate for humankind and it’s this very climate that is changing.

            The Earth has been in constant change from it’s birth and change continues today.

            Our atmosphere is made up of many things, compounds of all sorts, dirt, cosmic dust which acts very much like a lid, or filter, a barrier. It keeps certain thing out like harmful uv light and certain things in with the assistance of gravity.

            As far as any fault on man’s part, ~sure, of course, our activities has affected the nature of this lid and what it’s made of. Stable Fluorocarbons, for example (r12, 22, 502) to name only a few. R12 was such a stable compound, it took 150 years for it to ever decompose in the atmosphere. So it floated around for a 150 years causing trouble, thinning the ozone layer, putting holes in it and the likes.

            There is also natural events like the
            1883 eruption of Krakatoa or the Meteor strike off Yucatan in per modern history that darkened our skies for many years and killed off the dinosaurs.

            Wither we can completely stop this process of change is very doubtful, but we know we can slow it by being more mindful of out activities.

            This mindfulness will cost money and some people don’t think it’s worth the effort.

            What I have see in my life time, ~ is industries spring up and offer product once seen a not needed or necessary. These industries employ people and sell products and generate wealth much like every other industry.

            It’s hard to want to pay today for future generations climate especially when we have no way of predicting their extended years for all our efforts.

            So it not really about “FAULT OR BLAME” but an uncertain future, with no guarantees.

          • Vicki

            Claire says:
            “Well, I guess we all choose to believe what we want to believe.”

            I’m ok with you believing whatever foolish or not foolish thing you want to. That is part of my honoring your free will. What gets me angry is when YOU force me at gunpoint to do things YOUR way because of YOUR beliefs. The fact that you get the government to do it for you makes me even more upset.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Vicki says:

            “What makes me angry is when you force me at gunpoint to do things your way because of your beliefs. The fact that you get the government to do it for you makes me even more upset.”

            First of all, who is forcing you at gunpoint? I certainly am not forcing you at gunpoint to believe the way I do. I really could care less what you think. I have my beliefs and if I think something is going on with the deaths of animals and birds and the climate change that IS my choice. You can choose to turn your head the other way if you want, I do not care. It is the responsibility of the government/CDC to investigate these deaths. This is what they get paid to do. Regarding the weather, that is uncontrollable. If you consider my comments foolish that is your perogative, however, don’t try to “force” me at “gunpoint” to believe the way you do. If you are upset, that is your problem. Besides, who made you judge and jury over these issues?

          • http://deleted Claire

            “The difference between animals and humans is that animals change themselves for the environment, but humans change the environment for themselves.” Ayn Rand

          • DaveH

            Bob Wire says:
            “R12 was such a stable compound, it took 150 years for it to ever decompose in the atmosphere”.
            Does anybody here know anything about chemistry? A molecule reacts with another molecule. It’s structure is changed. It is no longer the same reactive molecule.
            So Bob would have us believe that the chlorofluorocarbon r12 just keeps reacting and thinning that pesky ozone layer for 150 years. How convenient for the Liberals. By fabricating the longevity of Freon-12, they can continue to claim that any future Ozone holes were the result of the previously banned Freon-12.
            Also for the Liberal BS, it is important to convince people that there is an ozone “layer”, as if ozone can’t diffuse freely from the ground up. I mention that because Government is constantly fighting ozone pollution from automobiles. Why is that? Why didn’t the Freon break up the ozone at the ground level and end our pollution problem? Why doesn’t that ozone at ground level diffuse and close that ozone hole?
            Read this and learn something:
            http://www.mitosyfraudes.org/Ingles/Crista.html

          • DaveH

            And then there’s the political side of the Ozone Depletion Scare.
            Could it be that Government is just using their usual scare tactics to grow ever larger, and to benefit their Crony-Capitalists? Could it be that DuPont’s patent on Freon-12 was running out, so they could profit more by consumers being forced to change refrigerant molecules? Could it be that the people who made the new air-conditioning systems, that were required to meet the new standards, were profiting mightily at the consumers’ expense?
            Read this:
            http://toad.net/~jsmeenen/freon.html

          • Vicki

            Clare writes:
            “First of all, who is forcing you at gunpoint? I certainly am not forcing you at gunpoint to believe the way I do.”

            If you look again at what I SAID vs what you read, you would observe that I said I was angry at being forced to DO things based on your belief. Now in answer to the question you should have asked it is your minions. The Government. At the moment Cap’n’Trade is not likely to go anywhere but there are thousands of laws that force me to behave in a particular way for your or some liberal belief. Health Insurance is another example. If I don’t have GOVERNMENT APPROVED health insurance I will be fined and if I reject their authority to take more of my wealth they will come for me. They will have guns. If I just say no they WILL deploy those guns and point them at me. Unlike eddie47d’s definition of force, this force is quite real.

            Clare: “I really could care less what you think. I have my beliefs and if I think something is going on with the deaths of animals and birds and the climate change that IS my choice.”

            As I SAID you have a right to your beliefs foolish or not. Dead animals (birds are animals btw) are easily verifiable facts. The direct cause is a bit harder. A realistic assessment of any CAUSAL relationship to the activities of man is ridiculously easy to very very very hard. We had, however, been talking about the hoax of anthropomorphic global warming usually mis-stated as global warming when you made your statement that I commented on.

          • JeffH

            Claire and others…a real scientific explanation for “climate change”.

            Global Climate Change: Effect of the Earth’s Orbit
            Variations in the earth’s orbit and inclination toward the sun cause cyclical variations in solar energy received by the earth and on the spatial distribution of solar energy on the earth’s surface. The variations are believed to be the cause of historic climatic changes as well as those larger pre-historic climatic changes which are recorded in the geologic record. The predominant climatic effects of orbital variations are changes in seasonality.

            The earth’s rotational axis is tilted with respect to the sun. This is called obliquity and is defined as the angle between the earth’s orbit and the plane of the earth’s equator. The tilt is toward the sun in the summer hemisphere and away from the sun in the winter hemisphere. The tilt of the earth changes cyclically between 21 3/4 degrees and 24 1/4 degrees. The period of cyclicity is 42,000 years. A large tilt warms the poles and causes smaller temperature differences in the summer hemisphere. The current tilt is 23 1/2 degrees.

            The amount of solar energy received by the earth is greatest when the earth is nearest the sun. This phenomenon is called the eccentricity of the orbit and has a 100,000 year cycle. This factor, combined with the tilt of the earth’s axis, is believed to cause seasonal climate changes which are out of phase in each hemisphere. For instance, northern hemisphere winters are currently milder and summers cooler than normal. The opposite situation, colder winters and hotter summers, is now occurring in the southern hemisphere.

            As the earth travels around the sun its rotational axis wobbles much as a child’s toy top wobbles as it slows down. As the earth wobbles, its axis sweeps out an imaginary cone in space. This is known as precession of the earth’s axis. It takes 21,000 years to complete a cycle through which the rotational axis departs from and then returns to its original position. The climatic intensity of the precessional cycle varies in complex cycles with the orbital eccentricity, which has a cycle of 100,000 years.

            The history of glaciation during the ice age as gleaned from studies of deep sea cores support the orbital control theory of climate change. Ice age sediments record orbital climatic influences. Biological productivity as recorded by the fossil record, the record of large mud deposits caused by melting of ice during interglacials, and terrigenous glacial deposits reflect orbital cycles.

            http://www.dnr.mo.gov/energy/cc/cc7.htm

          • http://deleted Claire

            Vicki–The government/CDC does not appear to be very concerned about the deaths of birds and animals. This is my gripe. So if you think my comments about this particular issue is forcing you to do other things based upon my belief of THIS issue, then that is your decision. Since you brought in the OTHER aspects of government issues–the induced health care reform, NAFTA, Cap ‘N Trade–these are all issues that I do not approve of and they have been forced on me as well. If my concern about animals and birds make me Liberal, then so be it.

          • JeffH

            Claire, I’m not sorry to say this but “you ain’t no liberal”. Those of us that have become aquainted with you know you are passionate, especially where animals are concerned and that you believe, as most of us seem to do, that you can’t trust a politician despite their party affiliation.

          • kate8
          • http://deleted Claire

            “The dog has seldom pulled man up to his level of sagacity, but man has frequently dragged the dog down to his.” James Thurber

            Regarding current political chaos and all Americans–”It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the size of the fight in the dog.”
            Mark Twain

            Here’s a good one–everyone knows Gloria Allred–”The more I know about men, the more I like dogs.”

            “One reason the dog has so many friends: He wags his tail instead of his tongue.” Unknown

            “Some dogs live for praise” they look at you as if to say, ‘Don’t throw balls…just throw bouquets.’” Jhordis Anderson, American Painter

            Sorry, folks, you know I love dogs. These are just some of the dog quotes I like.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Kate8–I read the post–and I have to say I am not surprised. I suggest everyone read it too. I am going to have my husband read it tonight. Very thought-provoking and now my mind is racing.

          • Vicki

            Clare writes:
            “Vicki–The government/CDC does not appear to be very concerned about the deaths of birds and animals. This is my gripe. So if you think my comments about this particular issue is forcing you to do other things based upon my belief of THIS issue, then that is your decision.”

            Thanks however if you look back along this thread you will quickly discover that the thread was discussing AGW (Anthropomorphic Global warming. YOUR FIRST response to Bpb Wire’s comment (But, fear not, it’s not yours or my problem today.) in relation to global warming was:

            “It may not bother others, but it bothers me.”

            This seems to establish that you are a believer in the global warming myth. If this was not your meaning than I apologize for I mis-understood you.

            Kate8 then commented “Global warming is a ruse made up by the elites to get us to accept more and more regulation and control over our lives.”

            To which YOU responded “Well, I guess we all choose to believe what we want to believe. I am one that believes there is global change, climate change–to me there appears to be more volatility, more of them. Some weather patterns have changed, especially where I live.”

            Tending to indicate that you do believe in the myth of AGW (See above).

            Kate8 then brings up the animal deaths with a statement directly to you “Claire – Have you been keeping up with the bird and fish deaths?”

            Some time later in the thread my comment was received and because I KNOW that it will not be near your relevant comment I included a key piece of your comments to show WHICH comment I was addressing. Specifically “Well, I guess we all choose to believe what we want to believe. I am one that believes there is global change….”
            That comment from you occurred BEFORE Kate8 brought up the dying/dead animals so would not be what I was referring to.

            I apologize to you if I mis-understood but looking over the thread I do not see how I could mis-understand what you said.

          • Vicki

            Claire says:
            “The difference between animals and humans is that animals change themselves for the environment, but humans change the environment for themselves.” Ayn Rand

            I will try to explain that to the beavers who keep building dams. I’m not sure they will care.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Whatever…..

    • kate8

      Charles – How the communists have used the democrat party to bring down America”

      http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    Yeah, the leftwing miscreants and democraps really hate Rush Limbaugh and other prominent conservative voices as they know we’re getting the truth which we don’t get from liberal statists, democraps or their allies in the lame stream media. And we also hear about death threats against Sarah Palin, et al, on our side. Sadly, Sarah Palin doesn’t have the kind of protection these leftwing miscreants in Washington have!! Why is she getting blamed by the left for the acts of a leftwing not job like the one in Tucson?? Why won’t ‘hate crime laws’ be used to protect people who believe in the Bible and constitutional limited government instead of just protecting fringe groups which the politically correct liberals deem deserving?? And if (God forbid) something tragic should happen to Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh or other conservatives, then let’s give the leftwing malcontent miscreants a dose of their own medicine. By that I mean – let’s hold these hate-filled leftists culpable for any violent acts!!!!!

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Hey David Fields,
    I`m an old man who only went to the 3rd grade.I don`t know how old you are,however,I think you better check your grammer because it sure isn`t 100%.Thanks Jeff for coming to my rescue.Dave sounds like he might be one of those educated fools who dosen`t know his ass from a hole in the ground.

    • JeffH

      Charles, best to ignore these “spelling/grammar” cops. They surface now and then but always seem to go away. In our haste to post a comment we’ve all made spelling and grammar errors, so welcome to the club…

    • bob wire

      you are good here Charles, ~ just get it to where we can understand your thoughts. The wisest man I knew, never went to school and could only make his mark.

      and Jeff truly is a helpful sort while we rarely agree. He’s one of the better guys here. Not mean and ugly, attempting to offer the most provocative things for shock factor.

      • JeffH

        Thanks bob, we all like to take our shots when we can. Shock factor is very relevant and eye opening tool, nothing is sugar coated that way…ala “Uncle” Ted Nugent.

        • bob wire

          Hmm, well I admit “shock factor” in tempting at times.

          But I struggle to be a constant, ~ and sometimes ~~ it’s sooooo hard!

          Especially when a naughty one has opened themselves up for deserving “drive by”

  • chuckb

    daveh the chart relating the amount of conservatives and liberals i believe is a little misleading, these so called moderates are people who stand in the shadow and afraid to show their true leanings and i think most are liberal hiding behind that cloak. i know a few people who claim to be moderate and also know they continue to spiel a liberal argument.
    i see this nation as being overly liberal, we have almost all the so called minority groups who are probably at least 80% liberal if not actually all out socialist/communist. most of these people didn’t vote in the last election, but, will vote for barry in 2012, the younger voters didn’t bother to vote this last time and they will cast in for barry in 2012. we are at a dangerous crossroads this next election. the media and the democratic party have only one person to fear and that’s sarah palin, they are going all out to destroy her image and even some of the rino’s are helping them. the republican party is weak and they have too many old guards (political hacks) in charge. they spend most of their time defending themselves from stupid accusations made by the progressive/communist democrats instead of taking the offensive. sarah palin is the only one that gets in their face, she’s got the guts to take them on. huckabee and romney are both wimps and the rest of the present crowd of would be’s
    don’t have that much going for them.
    almost every media outlet spews nothing but hate towards the conservatives, even fox news has their share of liberals doing the same, chris wallace in his sly ways, bret baire, bill o’reilly rides the rails but likes barry, need i even mention geraldo. so the conservative party has a tough road ahead.they should listen to dick morris.

    • geller

      I keep seeing the Repubs say they are going to take their country back. My question who has it? and where did they take it?

      • JeffH

        geller, if you haven’t figured it out by now you never will! Good luck with your future, you’ll need it.

  • DaveH

    Oh my goodness. The Democrats are becoming the party of NO. Maybe we could solve that by making them sit together with the Republicans:
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll010.xml

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    RIGHT ON JEFF

  • DaveH

    John Stossel’s “Atlas Shrugged” video contest winner:
    http://reason.org/blog/show/stossel-announces-atlas-shrugged-vi

  • bob wire

    Interesting! shooters party affiliation.

    where it’s really correct, who’s to know?

    http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/zappaisfrank/jllrsc.jpg

  • DaveH
  • Idylewylde

    Every time the Libs blow it, like after calling the rest of us Red Neck jihadis fails, they suddenly want to play nice.

    They want us all to sit togther and sing kumbaya.

    If we let them sit with us, we make them look respectable. They have no respectability, so they need us for camoflage.

    They picked the political ground they are now standing on.

    Let them stand there alone … no reaching out .. no kiss kiss makeup .. no compromises with people who despize us.

    They will acuse us of being petty, spiteful, and hateful …. just remember, they called us Red State Bigots, they called us Red Neck jihadis, they’ve call us worse, and do so at every opportunity.

    Let them stand alone preaching to their own tone deaf choir that got them into the political fiasco that backfired on them.

    In the next two years, as state after state collapses under their failed economic policies and tax-u-2-death remedies, while bailing out the fat cats neocons who own them, they hope America will collapse into socialism.

    Wrong.
    Real Americans don’t roll over and give up.
    We get even.

    • kate8

      Idylewylde – Amazing, isn’t it. They only call for civility and compromise when they lose absolute power.

      Otherwise, it’s “get to the back of the bus”, and “you lost”, and “no, you can’t be present”.

      I hope they tell them to kick rocks.

      • JeffH

        kate8, I’m sure you remember Frances Fox Piven, wife of Andrew Cloward, who together created the Cloward-Piven Strategy for overthrowing government through engineered crisis and who also mentored a young Obama, called for a violent revolution in the streets for the New Year.

        Obama’s Mentor, Francis Fox Piven Rings In The New Year By Calling For Violent Revolution!
        In a chilling and almost unbelievable editorial again in The Nation (”Mobilizing the Jobless,” January 10/17, 2011 edition), she calls on the jobless to rise up in a violent show of solidarity and force.

        “So where are the angry crowds, the demonstrations, sit-ins and unruly mobs?” she writes. “After all, the injustice is apparent. Working people are losing their homes and their pensions while robber-baron CEOs report renewed profits and windfall bonuses. Shouldn’t the unemployed be on the march? Why aren’t they demanding enhanced safety net protections and big initiatives to generate jobs?”

        “Before people can mobilize for collective action, they have to develop a proud and angry identity and a set of claims that go with that identity,” she writes. “They have to go from being hurt and ashamed to being angry and indignant.”

        “The out-of-work have to stop blaming themselves for their hard times and turn their anger on the bosses, the bureaucrats or the politicians who are in fact responsible.”
        And when they do, she says, the “protesters need targets.”
        Obama’s Mentor, Francis Fox Piven Rings In The New Year By Calling For Violent Revolution!

        And some still wonder why liberals get upset when Obama is called a radical Marxist/socialist/communist?

      • JeffH

        Openly Rooting for Revolution, The Left Calls For American Civil Unrest & Riots (Frances Fox Piven, Lib Talkers, Journalists, Van Jones, Rev Wright, English Protest Leader, etc)
        http://www.theblaze.com/stories/chilling-video-openly-rooting-for-revolution-the-left-calls-for-american-civil-unrest-riots-francis-fox-piven-lib-talkers-journalists-van-jones-rev-wright-english-protest-leader-etc/

        • kate8

          JeffH – I’ve seen these as well. And the media is constantly showing us video of people rioting in the streets in Europe, and telling us this will soon be happening here.

          Now, people don’t just spontaneously jump into the street and riot in unison. People are not that involved with their neighbors, as a rule, to get that organized. Besides, opinions are very divergent.

          No, these riots are organized by outside forces and instigated. Especially in America, as we are not prone to such things. They must be planned, and people have to be trained to do this.

        • Karolyn

          “Chilling video”? the only thing chilling about that video is the fact that it is being used to paint the left as violent. Nothing was said about violence. Don’t you guys advocate taking to the streets for your beliefs? Well, that’s all these people are saying. I heard not one word about violence. All I heard were people either painting a possible picture or hoping the people would begin to stand up for their rights. I don’t understand????????? Again, do you not advocate people standing up for their rights? I’ve heard it said here. Also, I’ve heard conservatives here advocating beating up and killing liberals. I have to admit, I don’t check a lot of links you post due to time constraints; however, I’m glad I watched this one so I can see how far off base you are!

        • JeffH

          Karolyn, keep that head buried deep in the sand and continue to “turn a blind eye”. It’s quite obvious by all that has been presented these last few days that your mind is unchangeable. I no longer believe you to be naive.

  • chuckb

    lets divide the country into two states. one a conservative republican
    state, the other a liberal demoratic state. each state to live under the same constitution with the choice of removing some added amendments. we can decipher the constitution’s meaning the way we think the forefathers meant it.

  • DaveH
  • bob wire

    with all respects, I’ve never noticed it failing! If the shoe fits wear it for a while. If it doesn’t then it wasn’t intended you. That should be simple enough to deal with.

    And if Red Neck is the worst name you have heard, I’d say you haven’t been in the fight long.

    “In the next two years, as state after state collapses under their failed economic policies and tax-u-2-death remedies, while bailing out the fat cats neocons who own them, they hope America will collapse into socialism.”

    Well maybe so, ~ but Federal Taxes are “still” as low as ever! So I’m left wondering what your B1tch is all about.

    As far as the States, maybe they need to be more “conservative” with the peoples money? And yes, the states have been propped by stimulus funds and it will be running out somewhere around mid summer, or so I hear.

    They been given the time to make some hard choices.

    I feel the states as bad as the Fed with money issues.

    and yes, we are riding for a fall. One that should have happened in Oct of 2008.

  • chuckb

    bob wire

    we did fall in 2008, barry soetoro was elected president. how much more of a fall could we stand?

    • bob wire

      You will know when it gets here chuck

  • Suanne

    I stopped reading as soon as you said Oswald killed JFK. Surely you jest…

  • http://deleted Claire

    Hooray!!! Packers win!!!

  • Steve

    Francis Fox Piven ….is just that..a Piven up her Foxhole and Francis is LEFT crying.

  • Steve

    On the serious side. imagine that James Jimmy, Clyburn from the state of South Carolina, was totally involved in your safety…would you feel safe? Not likely…he is the Left and there is no regard for country…just the left and all the ill provoking thoughts and acts they can pass.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    Wiselady says:

    Thank you for your response and for proving my points:

    No facts on: 1,”narrow mindedness”, 2, how the, “genies”, make us what we are, how “detrimental”, it’s going to be for all of us with an, “agenda”; whose and what agenda? What do you mean about buying a Trogan Horse? I have never seen one and I grew up with mules, horses and donkeys in in my back yard. Donkies were were the most stubborn. Isn’t that the Democrat’s symbol; wonder why they chose it?

    No facts given to all of us, made me very bored. I at least gave some names of the commentators and you did not come to their defense to prove how truthful they are. All of those I mentioned were in your camp, accusing others with blame and no facts with direct, connecting points on the shootings. Solid facts bear stong truths. Again, thanks for strengthening my comments……no facts on your part, simply glittering generalities.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    Wiselady says:

    Thank you for your response and for proving my points:

    No facts on: 1,”narrow mindedness”, 2, how the, “genies”, make us what we are, how “detrimental”, it’s going to be for all of us with an, “agenda”; whose and what agenda? What do you mean about buying a Trogan Horse? I have never seen one and I grew up with mules, horses and donkeys in in my back yard. Donkies were were the most stubborn. Isn’t that the Democrat’s symbol; wonder why they chose it?

    No facts given to all of us, made me very bored. I at least gave some names of the commentators and you did not come to their defense to prove how truthful they are. All of those I mentioned were in your camp, accusing others with blame and no facts with direct, connecting points on the shootings. Solid facts bear srtong truths. Again, thanks for strengthening my comments……no facts on your part, simply glittering generalities.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    wiselady says:
    1-15-11

    Thanks Beberoni, I had the privilege of meeting President Reagan about four times for private meetings, twice when he he was governor and twice as President. Yes, he saw a vision for America as no other President, and I had met two others before him. Thanks for saying so many things in proper context. You say a lot with very sincere and genuine compassion.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    Wiselady says;
    1-15-11

    Charles, I believe I understand your explanation of the difference between a liberal and a Progressive. Your point is well taken.

  • Karolyn

    Did anyone hear about the wounded victim who got into trouble because of some remarks by tea partiers at the memorial? The remarks haven’t been revealed, but they were enough to get this guy arrested for a misdemeanor. Hmmmm, I wonder what kind of inappropriate remaks they made? We shall probably see.

    • DaveH

      Arrested for speaking?
      Welcome to the new Liberal world.

    • Vigilant

      Karolyn, get your facts straight. Your attempt to smear the Tea Party just fell flat on its face. As you can see from the following, the Tea Party was the voice of reason and moderation. The following was reported:

      “By GILLIAN FLACCUS and BOB CHRISTIE, Associated Press Gillian Flaccus And Bob Christie, Associated Press – Sun Jan 16, 6:25 am ET

      TUCSON, Ariz. – In an unexpected twist to the Arizona shootings, a man wounded in the attack was arrested and taken for a psychiatric exam after an outburst at a town hall meeting, during which he took a picture of a tea party leader and yelled “you’re dead,” authorities say.

      James Eric Fuller, 63, was detained on misdemeanor disorderly conduct and threat charges Saturday during the event taped for a special edition of ABC’s “This Week,” Pima County sheriff’s spokesman Jason Ogan said.

      He apparently became upset when Trent Humphries suggested that conversations about gun control be delayed until all the dead were buried, KGUN-TV in Tucson reported.

      Authorities said he took a picture of the leader and yelled “you’re dead.”

      • Vigilant

        And this: “The [NY Times] said that in an interview last week, Fuller repeatedly denounced the “Tea Party crime syndicate,” and said he placed some of the blame for the shooting on Sarah Palin and other Republican leaders, saying he believed they had contributed to a toxic atmosphere.”

        Well, Karolyn, what’s your reaction now?

        • http://deleted Claire

          Vigilant–You did not address me, but I will give you my two cents worth. I am sick and tired of these idiotic imbeciles that continue to shreik and shout their disgusting diatribe of hate. The shooter acted on his own. And it threw everyone into a tailspin. The Liberals jumped on it, the Republicans jumped on it and to me they all acted like a bunch of idiots, especially when they started pointing fingers at each other. There was one cable TV channel that reported Giffords was dead but quickly backtracked. It was a total shock to all except the shooter. The shooter is at fault and he should pay with his own life for what he did. I have said before too many nuts are running around loose out there and they act upon what is going on in their demented minds. This guy is a nutjob as was the Ft. Hood shooter.

        • nationAP

          Brainwashed liberal fans will listen again from their masters that tea party is responsible in all cases.

        • JeffH

          Claire, while I agree with your sentiments, there comes a time when people must also defend themselves from the hate vitriol and diatribe.
          Clearly, and I do mean clearly some of the Democrats, the MSM, and the liberal left base constantly spread the lies of violent acts by “conservatives and the Tea Party” with misinformation, inuendoes and outright lies of fabrication and fail to monitor their own house. If you are not on board with the progressive movement you are labeled an extremist, bigot, racist, hatemonger, wingnut, redneck, KKK, and a gun toten violent threat to America. The examples are spread throughout this and other threads and yes, there are examples of the “rights” wrongdoings but it is clear that the examples presented show that the extreme liberal left and the extreme MSM are the main sources for the hate and vitriol unlike some would like to believe. No question about it.
          I won’t “turn the other cheek” and will expose them to be what they accuse at every opportunity. They aren’t going to stop anytime soon and unless you fight fire with fire you can’t slow them down. I realize and understand what you are saying…it just can’t be any other way until the press becomes fair and balanced…the best defense is a great offense…like the Packers displayed yesterday.

          Keep some powder dry!

          • http://deleted Claire

            JeffH–Good choice of words. “The best defense is a great offense.” Been there, done that. And right now I have a niece that is mad as hell at me. She is what I call a hard core Liberal. Anyway, when she started in, I interrupted her and told her that I didn’t want to hear it, I am fed up with it. She wasn’t too happy when she left, she told me that one day I would see the “light.” I told her that I had seen the “light” and Liberalism is not the light I want to see. So she is pissed. I suspect my sister will call me before the day is over. Oh well, I have been in the proverbial “doghouse” before.

          • JeffH

            Claire, fortunately I don’t have to deal with “liberal” relatives and my friends that are a bit liberal I won’t talk politics with. As for your niece…”it’s better to be pissed off than pissed on”. I can be very hardheaded when I believe in something and will stand my ground despite whatever outcome will result. If I’m wrong, I’ll admit it. No PC from this guy anymore.

          • http://deleted Claire

            JeffH– I am becoming more hard nose too. I will not back down either. You are right, PC is over and done with, it doesn’t work.

          • nationAP

            Clare, you niece is liberal because she is young. Remember the quotation usually attributed to Churchill, “If you’re not Liberal when you’re 25, you have no heart. If you’re not Conservative when you’re 35, you have no brain.” However, the attribution is false. There is no record of Churchill ever speaking these words, and it is highly unlikely that he would have because Churchill himself did precisely the opposite. He entered politics as a Conservative and was a Conservative at age 25. He switched to the Liberal Party at age 29 and was a Liberal at age 35. (He returned to the Conservatives at age 49.)
            Anyway, if you have brain you turn to conservatives.

          • Karolyn

            Jeff, Fighting fire with fire only gets you more fire or gets you nowhere.

          • http://deleted Claire

            nationAP–Yes she is young, and I love her dearly but geez, she is brainwashed. She simply thinks that everything Liberals do is the correct way and the only way. I am not perfect by any means and I am not always “right” (no pun intended), but dang it she needs to look at the entire scenario. And of course she knows I have a handgun and she is horrified. She came by one day when I was at target practice and my husband told her where I was so that is how she found out. Oh well, for the sake of my sister I will keep my mouth shut. I can’t change my niece’s mind, I don’t think anyone could. She will have to find out for herself.

          • JeffH

            Karolyn, I have two choices, fight back or lay down like a whipped puppy dog. I’m not laying down and if it brings more fire then so be it…last man standing wins! Screw that rainsows and unicorns crap, that’s just for the wishfull thinkers. I’m dealing in reality, the here and now, not fantasy.

          • JeffH

            …rainbows…

    • Karolyn

      Don’t shoot the messenger. that’s what I heard.

      • Vigilant

        AI ask is that you please be careful with your contentions before you post. That sort of thing is the the stuff of wherefore myths are born.

        Apologies if I offended your delicate sensibilities. (:-)

        • Vigilant

          I meant “all I ask.”

        • Karolyn

          I admit I jumped to conclusions.

          • DaveH

            Just when I start thinking there is no hope for you, you surprise me. Here’s hoping for more surprises from you, Karolyn.

  • DaveH
    • DaveH

      Do you feel safer? Do you feel more prosperous?
      I don’t.

  • DaveH

    For those of you who still might be in doubt about the Homogenic Global Warming Hoax, consider this:
    The most prevalent greenhouse gas is water vapor (look it up for yourself). Depending on the time of year and other factors it varies somewhere between 35% and 70% of the total greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. What happens to the ocean waters when they are heated? Of course they produce more Water Vapor. Given that, wouldn’t the Earth just keep warming and warming until we were all nonexistent in short order? Yet, it doesn’t. Do you really think that the small percentage of Greenhouse Gases that are man-made (around 10%) are really going to tip the scales and cause run away warming?
    Homogenic Global Warming is yet another Hoax promoted by Big Government Growthers to allow them to grow government ever larger. Don’t take my word for any of this. There are lots of books out there which expose the hoax. Christopher Horner has written many. Go to the Library. Learn. Save our country from these conniving Liberals.

    • Normal Guy

      So let me get this right. You are arguing that because water vapour is the largest greenhouse gas and because it has stayed in balance that proves global warming to be a hoax?

      You can’t be that dim, do you know anything the global water cycle? Weather patterns and ocean currents, have distinct and complex patterns that can be easily disrupted, they are always in flux but roughly in balance. The zones of the planet that are desert, rainforest etc are determined by where rainfall occurs. If the cycle is bumped out of balance we don’t know what is going happen.
      http://www.waterencyclopedia.com/Ce-Cr/Climate-and-the-Ocean.html

      Your opinion is unsupported; the vast majority of scientists are of the opinion that man is having a significant impact on global warming.
      http://content.usatoday.com/communities/sciencefair/post/2010/06/scientists-overwhelmingly-believe-in-man-made-climate-change/1
      If you know any research scientists that are not on big oils payroll you would know that it is almost universally accepted that there is an impact, what it will lead to is unclear, but that things are changing significantly is not in dispute.

      • DaveH

        That is a fabricated fact, Normal Liberal, and I think you know it. Here is a list of Scientists that dispute your statement:
        http://www.petitionproject.org/

        • JeffH

          Dave H., This guy has nmade billions from the global warming scam. Maurice Strong, as Secretary General of the 1992 UN Conference on Environment and Development –the so-called Earth Summit — held in Rio de Janeiro, gave a significant push to global economic and environmental regulation. He’s a key player in the UN, World Bank, and Earth Council among many others.

          Mr. Maurice Strong serves as Senior Advisor to both the Secretary-General of the United Nations and to the President of the World Bank. He is also Director of the World Economic Forum Foundation, Chairman of the Stockholm Environment Institute and of the Earth Council. Since 1999 he has been President and Rector of the United Nations University for Peace (Universidad para la Paz) in Costa Rica.

          Mr. Strong is perhaps most well-known for the role he played in organizing the 1992 UN Conference on Environment and Development in Rio de Janeiro (Earth Summit), where he served as Secretary-General. At Rio, he challenged the governments of the developed world to extend significant financial aid—over $600 billion— to the developing world as reparation for a century of industrial development and the environmental degradation. As Director of the 1972 UN Stockholm Conference on the Human Environment, Mr. Strong successfully placed global environmental issues on the international agenda for the first time. The conference in Stockholm has come to be known as the first Earth Summit.

          Maurice Strong and Agenda 21.
          Agenda 21 is a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which human impacts on the environment.

          Agenda 21, the Rio Declaration on Environment and Development, and the Statement of principles for the Sustainable Management of Forests were adopted by more than 178 Governments at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) held in Rio de Janerio, Brazil, 3 to 14 June 1992.
          http://the-classic-liberal.com/maurice-strong/

        • Normal Guy

          First Dave, calling you dim for making a completely incorrect statement regarding water vapour in the atmosphere and then extrapolating that this is proof of a global warming hoax is not an attack, it is a comment. An incorrect conclusion based on misunderstanding the data does not prove anything other than your lack of understanding of the issue.

          Now to your information source regarding 30,000 plus “scientists and PHD’s” signing of the Global Warming Petition Project – how can you link to such garbage without doing any background research – you are so one dimensional in your positions. This petition and those behind it are completely unsubstantiated. There are no references to any experts and certainly no verification as to the credentials of the signatories. Here is a good starting point regarding the weakness of the reliability of you source. http://climatecrocks.com/2010/10/13/astounding-interview-with-oregon-petition-nutjob-art-robinson/

          Dave, it is a bit dim to just accept that these are all valid scientist. In fact the vast majority of your PHD’s are not scientists and are not experts on climate change. Many are fictional (Hawkeye Peirce) and none are substantiated, here is a hint, when extreme statements are made and other that the speaker no one else is identified or quoted, good chance the data and position is bogus.

          Dave, dimness is a result of single source research – this petition, Mise, Cato – one dimensional references and weak minded following of their views without analysis or verification leads to simplistic and dim positions. Go do some digging about all the things that you rail against and try debunking some of your core beliefs, if you are capable of opening your mind you might be surprised

          • JeffH

            NG, I guess all of the scientists, check my posted links, are wrong about the perpetrated hoax of global warming, also known as “global warming for profit”.

      • DaveH

        And, duh, Normal Liberal, where do the majority of scientists that support the Homogenic Global Warming Hoax get their funding? Government of course. No conflict of interest there, huh?

      • DaveH

        A good source of information for those too lazy to go to the Library and read some of Chris Horner’s books exposing the Homogenic Global Warming Hoax for what it is — a political football aimed at enriching the Big Government leaders and their Crony-Capitalists:
        http://climatedepot.com/

      • DaveH

        Notice, by the way, that Normal Liberal just can’t make a comment without adding a personal attack — “You can’t be that dim”. As if that somehow makes his fabricated facts more legitimate.

      • DaveH

        So, for those of you who are afraid to argue with a Liberal, Normal (not so), is a good example.

        Read this paragraph from Normal’s comment:
        “You can’t be that dim, do you know anything the global water cycle? Weather patterns and ocean currents, have distinct and complex patterns that can be easily disrupted, they are always in flux but roughly in balance. The zones of the planet that are desert, rainforest etc are determined by where rainfall occurs. If the cycle is bumped out of balance we don’t know what is going happen.”

        Now read it again. Does he really say anything? Of course not. It’s called double-speak. He is just saying a lot of nothing. An attempt to deluge his opponent with high-sounding words which upon careful analysis mean nothing.

        You just need to read as much as you can (both sides) and see which makes sense to you. Don’t let the Liberals blow smoke up your (well, you know what I mean).

        • Normal Guy

          Typical DaveH manoeuvre

          You quote me but don’t include the link that provides all the depth of information that you suggest are not there. Again Dave want to try to explain how the water vapour in our atmosphere would disprove global warming? Maybe you can explain the water cycle and how temperature change will affect the size of the planets deserts and rain forests.

          Oh in regard to your sidekicks comments regarding global initiatives for resource management – right it is all a global socialist conspiracy headed by the UN (probably has some Bilderberg, Rothchild, Soros, fiat currency stuff all wrapped up in there too). Who cares if poor nations strip all the vegetation of the planet? How could that be of any interest to the USA?

          Dim and dimmer!

      • JeffH

        DaveH, Scientists abandon global warming ‘lie’, 650 to dissent at U.N. climate change conference. A United Nations climate change conference in Poland is about to get a surprise from 650 leading scientists who scoff at doomsday reports of man-made global warming – labeling them variously a lie, a hoax and part of a new religion.
        In fact, the total number of scientists represented in the report is 12 times the number of U.N. scientists who authored the official IPCC 2007 report.
        Some of their comments:
        …”I am a skeptic … . Global warming has become a new religion.” — Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever
        … Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history … . When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” — U.N. IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning Ph.D. environmental physical chemist.
        …”The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds … . I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists.” — Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the U.N.-supported International Year of the Planet.
        …”It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” — U.S. Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
        …”CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another … . Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so … . Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” — Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

        Skeptical scientists are gaining recognition despite what many say is a bias against them in parts of the scientific community and are facing significant funding disadvantages. Dr. William M. Briggs, a climate statistician who serves on the American Meteorological Society’s Probability and Statistics Committee, explained that his colleagues described “absolute horror stories of what happened to them when they tried getting papers published that explored non-‘consensus’ views.” In a March 4, 2008, report Briggs described the behavior as “really outrageous and unethical … on the parts of some editors. I was shocked.”
        http://social.moldova.org/news/u-s-senate-report-scientists-refute-global-warming-claims-174624-eng.html

        • DaveH

          Here is a short article (well shorter than the books by Horner, anyway) that does a good job of explaining and debunking Homogenic Global Warming. And it’s by a professor of meteorology at MIT (there goes his government funding):
          http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv15n2/reg15n2g.html

          • DaveH

            The above article should be required reading by anybody who wants to cast a responsible vote in the future.

        • DaveH

          By the way, I forgot to thank you for your support, Jeff. Thank you.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, you’re more than welcome. We’re all in this fight together.

        • Normal Guy

          JeffH

          More crappy references – non-vetted information that is used by narrowly focused weak minded people to support positions that are created by vested interests to create smoke screens.

          It is amazing how legitimate peer reviewed research is never part of any of the deniers examples. I have a family member who is a world renowned – published in science at 22 – environmental research scientist. He was a professor at Cambridge and is now at the University of Ottawa. That global warming is happening has been absolutely accepted by the real scientific (the guys who publish stuff) community, we have discussed this at length. The degrees to which man made emissions are responsible are being debated but the belief that it is a major contribution is widely accepted.

          Check this out:
          http://climateprogress.org/2008/12/11/inhofe-morano-recycles-long-debunked-denier-talking-points-will-the-media-be-fooled-again/

          Again the positions of the weak minded sheep that bleat whatever the right wing special interests demand, the unsubstantiated garbage that you use to back the positions that the right wing zealots espouse is disappointing. Dim, dim, dim! Oh many of your scientist quotes are discussed, generally misquotes or descent from guys outside their field of expertise.

          • JeffH

            NG, we disagree and I’ll stand with my view, my beliefs and my references…dim works both ways you know!

          • JeffH

            …I’ll note that your argumentum ad hominem response was typical of a liberal…and straight from the school of Alinsky.

    • Karolyn

      Whether it’s man-made global warming or natural climate change makes no difference. What is the main concern is toxic air. Do you not believe that the fumes we breathe have some connection to more and more people getting cancer, kids getting diseases we never had, etc.? Yes, the chemicals in the food probably do contribute; however, we can have some control over what we eat. We have no control over what we breathe.

      • JeffH

        First it was a hole in the ozone layer, then global warming, climate change, global cooling, global destableization or maybe even global wierding. Next thing we’ll be told that all of the flora and fauna have to be eliminated because they are responsible for asthma and allergies. The air we breathe is getting cleaner!

        Air pollution is a reality we all have to face, but the environmental nuts would like everyone to believe it is getting worse instead of better.

        Air pollution levels have been dropping for decades and will continue to do so in the years to come. In the last thirty years, the level of common pollutants in the air has improved, according to the EPA. The same holds true for emissions – those pollutants released into the air by vehicles, factories and the like. One of the more common of these is carbon monoxide (CO), which has sharply decreased in three decades. In 1980, there was 178 million tons of CO tracked in the nation’s air. In 2008, that level dropped to 78 million tons. In the last ten years, the CO concentration level has decreased seventy percent.
        http://www.suite101.com/content/air-quality-is-it-safe-to-breathe-a326851

        • JeffH

          …I say this because I believe in conservation and everyone doing their part to help keep the planet as clean as they can, but I don’t believe the environmental “extremists” see it quite the way I do.

          • http://deleted Claire

            JeffH– I agree with you–but I do not agree with the way PETA thinks about certain issues. I hate to bring up old news but since the Eagles gave HSUS $50,000 it has left a bitter taste in my mouth. Now HSUS thinks Vick will be a responsible pet owner. Barf and gag. Literally.

          • JeffH

            PETA and the Humane Society…just extremist fronts using the pity of poor animals to further their agendas…BARF! As for Vick, he should never be allowed around animals, ever, after his despicable behavior and conviction. As for his football career…I’m a Raider fan so he’s a non-entity for me…let Philly have him and Go Pack!

          • JeffH

            Claire…this on the Humane Society.

            Atlanta Investigation Uncovers Deceptive ‘Humane Society’ Agenda

            ABC News in Atlanta is taking a cue from us and following the money donated to the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS). And the results aren’t pretty. The animal rights industry leader with the misleading name gives less than 4 cents of every dollar of its budget to support local animal shelters. The rest of the money, as WSB-TV Channel 2 News confirmed? It funds the group’s activist projects and lobbying for vegetarian-minded legislation.
            The sad truth for needy pets is that HSUS is far more interested in using its bloated budget to go after meat and dairy producers; ban the use of animals in biomedical research labs; blast pet breeding, zoos, and circus acts that involve animals; and denigrate hunters as bloodthirsty lunatics. Every year HSUS spends more than $20 million on salaries and $2 million on travel expenses, just to keep its agenda fed.
            http://consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/h/3899-atlanta-investigation-uncovers-deceptive-humane-society-agenda

        • DaveH

          Jeff, you left out the Environmentalists’ attempted fear-mongering about “Global Cooling” in the 1970s. Unfortunately nature didn’t behave, and so they then flip-flopped to Homogenic Global Warming.
          These Liberals are so damn transparent. All one need do is to read a little and think a little.

          • kate8

            DaveH – These hoaxes like global warming wouldn’t even get off the ground if we didn’t have so many weak-minded and compliant people who jump on any bandwagon as long as someone produces an “expert” to back up their nonsense.

            People just can’t think anymore. We’re taught not to think, but to listen to and trust the ‘experts’. It doesn’t occur to anyone that experts can be bought and be part of an agenda.

            Far more scientists have denied and denounce global warming than have concurred. There is no doubt that what we have here is a real…yes…conspiracy.

            So much could be avoided if people were just capable of common sense. Tunnel vision prevails today, and life’s parameters so small. It shouldn’t be that hard to see the bigger picture, but then…that’s just me.

  • Paul R

    We all know whats right is right!!!

  • HighLighter

    Back when Bush was still in office and the election was brewing, I watched a little more of FOX, CNN, Headline News, an MSNBC. Keith and Rachel were hard to watch for sure. However, you have to listen to the other side. I forgot Link TV, actually the worse with the chick from Air America that talked out of the corner of her mouth. I am sure they would have stoned President Bush to death if they could have gotten to him. And, there was no need to read Marx or Mao because you have these people spewing the same ole venom.

  • chuckb

    the soetoro administration probably said a prayer when the congresswoman got shot in tucson, they finally got an excuse for barry to make a speech something like bill clinton in oklahoma, a dream come true. isn’t it strange that the media and most of the liberal crowd were more concerned over the quality of his speech than the remorse that should have been shown. not one showed grief for the dead and wounded it was all about barry and his so called wonderful speech. even fox news joined them in their appraisal, all of sudden barry is back! people are getting carried away with all this idol like worshiping and candlelight events. they are being led by hyperbolic politics.

  • JeffH

    Claire, I found this for you regarding the bird deats..
    New bird die-off laid to different cause

    NEW ORLEANS — Louisiana’s state wildlife veterinarian says at least some of an estimated 450 birds that died Monday near Baton Rouge may have flown into a power line.

    Jim LaCour said yesterday that the grackles, starlings, brown-headed cowbirds, and red-winged blackbirds had broken beaks and backs. He says some live birds had broken wings but eluded people’s efforts to catch them.

    The new bird deaths came a few days after about 3,000 blackbirds fell from the sky in central Arkansas. Scientists there said celebratory fireworks on New Year’s Eve probably disoriented the birds and sent them crashing into homes, cars, and each other before they fell to their deaths.

    Officials say such massive wildlife kills are not uncommon.
    The birds were the second mass wildlife death in Arkansas in recent days. Last week, about 83,000 dead and dying drum fish washed up along a 20-mile stretch of the Arkansas River, about 100 miles west of Beebe. Wildlife officials say the fish deaths are not related to the dead birds, and that because mainly one species of fish was affected, it is likely they were stricken by an illness. Full test results could take up to a month.

    http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2011/01/05/new_bird_die_off_laid_to_different_cause/?rss_id=Boston.com+%2F+Boston+Globe+–+National+News

    • JeffH

      Magnetic Field Disruptions Are The Likely Cause For Mass Bird And Fish Die Offs
      Over the past several weeks there have been numerous reports of bird and fish die offs around the planet. The most likely cause for these die offs is the confirmed disruptions to the earth’s magnetic fields. It is widely believed by scientists that birds and fish use these magnetic fields as a navigational tool to migrate to warmer weather areas.
      Any disruption or change in the normal behavior of the earth’s magnetic field or the electromagnetic spectrum as a whole could easily misdirect birds and fish into locations that do not necessarily have warmer weather and result in their death.

      http://theintelhub.com/2011/01/13/magnetic-field-disruptions-are-the-likely-cause-for-mass-bird-and-fish-die-offs/

      With the earths rotation having gone through a natural change ther could be a bit of validity in this theory.

    • http://deleted Claire

      JeffH–Thanks for the posts–I read them and it has helped put my mind at ease.

      • JeffH

        Thanks Claire, it’s always my pleasure. I would have searched for possible answers earlier but just didn’t set the time aside for it…football and duck hunting, and of course stirring the pot and mingling with you all on the web. lol!

      • HighLighter