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Keeping The Bogey Man Alive

July 2, 2010 by  

Keeping The Bogey Man Alive

Central Intelligence Agency Director Leon Panetta hit the Sunday gab fest This Week on ABC and said not since the early 2000s have United States officials had precise information on the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden, the man purported to be behind the Sept. 11, 2001, destruction of the Twin Towers and attack on the Pentagon.

“Since then it’s been very difficult to get any intelligence on his exact location,” Panetta said. “He is, as is obvious, in very deep hiding… He’s in an area of the tribal areas of Pakistan.”

But Panetta knows, as does anyone who troubles himself enough to think of subjects beyond when the next “American Idol” airs, that bin Laden has long been dead and gone.

All the supposed video and audio recordings of bin Laden have been Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) fabrications made to keep the bogey man alive in the eyes of a gullible American public. The CIA and the military-industrial complex plan to ride that horse as long as they can.

President Barack Obama ran on the promise of getting U.S. troops out of Iraq and ending—though he never said winning—what he called the good war in Afghanistan. But after 18 months in office troops remain in Iraq, more troops than ever are dying in that worthless hell-hole of Afghanistan, and less those wars end too soon for the CIA, sabers are being rattled over Iran and North Korea.

President George W. Bush was rightly excoriated by the Left for starting unnecessary wars. But the military-industrial complex remains viable in the age of Obama.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Big Ugly

    Seems to me that if the CIA can’t/won’t do their jobs …. or, if they are to stupid ….. then the CIA should be disbanded.
    Why are WE THE PEOPLE being bled dry for something that does not work?
    Why are BILLIONS being sent to, how many different, foreign countries to finance their hate network against the United States? Here’s an idea, take all that money and help out the people who have been unemployed for so many months.
    If Obama wants to lower the deficit (by a fraction of what he has increased), stop sending money to people that hate us and use that money against us … and pay down part of the deficit.

    But, First!, How about the LIAR and USURPER show as much identification as some applying for a job at McD’s?

  • http://www.box.net/shared/bt5uxqm113 Arcadia CA once

    Last rumor I heard was that Osama Bin Laden is in a remote part of Iran. Look right, go left so to speak. I wouldn’t speak with so much certainty about him being dead if you also have no proof. In Pakistan? They talk like that imaginary wall is solid. I wouldn’t let either border stop us from getting him. Take the war to Pakistan? Fine. That’s what you do. Go get him and leave already.

    • REYKOOL

      ARCADIA : BIN LADEN IN IRAN…WHERE IS YOUR PROOF ? ….FOX NEWS NETWORK WHICH IS OWNED BY MURDOCK A KNOWN MOSSAD ASSET…BIN LADEN IS ALWAYS COVENIENTLY LOCATED IN COUNTRIES THAT WE ARE PLANING TO INVADE AND BOMB ( IRAN IS OUR NEXT TARGET)…DON’T YOU GET IT ?
      OSAMA WAS A CIA ASSET WORKING WITH OUR MILITARY INTELLIGENCE WHEN THE RUSSIANS INVADED AFGHANISTAN IN THE 70′s…IT IS WELL DOCUMENTED INDEED.
      ALSO A LOT OF DOCUMENTS AND ARTICLES SHOWS THAT BIN LADEN DIED OF KIDNEY FAILURE YEARS AGO THE CIA OFFICIALY CLOSED ITS BIN LADEN UNIT IN 2003 (SEE THEIR WEBSITE)
      FAKE BIN LADEN VIDEOS ARE PRODUCED BY INTEL CENTER A PRIVATE MILITARY CONTRACTOR ASSOCIATED WITH RITA KATZ ( MOSSAD AGENT) KEEPING THE “BOGEY MAN” ALIVE SERVE THE MULTI BILLION DOLLARS “WAR ON TERROR” INDUSTRY, MOST OF OUR INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY AGENCIES AS WELL AS OUR PENTAGON USE PRIVATE CONTRACTORS, IF YOU ARE A MERCENARY OR A PRIVATE SECURITY COMPANY WHO MAKE YOUR LIVING IN GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS WHEN OUR COUNTRY IS AT WAR., YOU NEED WAR, HOW WOULD THEY MAKE A LIVING IF WAR WAS OVER ?, THAT IS THE MAIN REASON WHY WE ARE IN A STATE OF PERPETUAL WAR , THANKS THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX !
      WAR IS A RACKET AND AN INDUSTRY CONTROLED BY “PRIVATE COMPANIES” WHO DO NOT HESITATE TO INFILTRATE TERRORISTS GROUP AND STAGE FALSE FLAG ATTACKS, TO MAINTAIN THEIR BUSINESS, THEY ARE PAYING THE TALIBANS AS WE SPEAK…
      BY THE WAY ARCADIA…CHECK THE FBI WEBSITE : http://www.fbi.gov THEN CLICK “MOST WANTED TERRORISTS”
      THEN CLICK “USAMA BIN LADEN” TO SEE HIS FBI FILE, THERE IS NO MENTION OF 9/11 WE HAVE ALMOST NOTHING TO CONNECT BIN LADEN TO 9/11 EXCEPT A VIDEO PROVIDED BY ….INTEL CENTER WHERE HE MENTION 9/11…THE MAN LOOKS LIKE HIM, BUT IS NOT BIN LADEN…
      GOOGLE “SENSITIVE INFORMATION ON THE 9/11 PENTAGON ATTACK VIDEO” AND LEARN.
      AL QUADA AS A GLOBAL TERROR ORGANIZATION IS A MYTH…DO YOUR HOME WORK CHECK (GOOGLE) ” AL QAIDA THE DATABASE BY PIERRE HENRI BUNEL” and WAYNE MADEn (FORMER NSA)
      THE FIGHT REPUBLICAN VERSUS DEMOCRAT OR BLAMING OBAMA IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME BOTH SIDES ARE FRONT MEN (OR WOMEN) FOR THE SAME POWER TO BE, THAT IS WHY NOTHING CHANGE,
      OBAMA DID WORK FOR THE CIA IN THE PAST,HE WAS CHOSEN BY THE BANKING AND CORPORATE ESTABLISHMENT TO TRICK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO WERE TIRED OF NEO CON BUSH. THEY WILL CHOOSE A WOMAN FOR THE NEXT TURN, I BET…FOR ANOTHER “CHANGE” FROM THE PREVIOUS “CHANGE”
      OBAMA IS CONTINUING WHAT BUSH WAS DOING IN THE MIDDLE EAST, “NO ” CHANGE” JUST WINDOW DRESSING WITHOUT CHANGING THE BOTTOM LINE…THE PHONY WAR ON TERROR BASED ON LIES AND FALSE FLAG TERROR ATTACKS USING USEFUL ARAB IDIOTS OR MUSLIM INFORMANTS SET UP AS TERRORISTS CONTINUE…IT IS TIME TO WAKE UP !
      GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK.

      • Al Sieber

        Good post, I agree.

  • Al Sieber

    Every time they want to keep us in line, or let us know how much we depend on them, they bring out the “Bogey Man” Osama Bin Laden. they need something to scare us with.the Govt. controls us with fear. so they drag him out from time to time, but each time he’s different. his nose is smaller, he’s left handed, he’s right handed, he dyed his hair, his beard, he’s taller, shorter etc. you get the drift. so whats it gonna be next? is he long over due? or been dead for years?

  • J.M.R.

    ONE THING FOR SURE YOU CAN’T FIND SOMEONE IF YOU DON’T LOOK. OUR GREAT DICK-TATER DOESN’T WANT HIM HIM FOUND UNTIL HE HAS TAKEN COMPLETE CONTROL OF OUR GREAT COUNTRY, THEN HE WILL HAVE HIM OVER FOR TEA. WHY ISN’T THE C.I.A.PUT THE GREAT BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL A TAKE HIM DOWN. HES BROKEN ABOUT EVERY LAW THERE IS, WHEN IT COMES TO THE CONSTITUTION.

  • alpha-lemming

    Tough one!! It’d break my heart to think the CIA would fabricate something like this to justify their existence but…?? They certainly have the means if that was their desire. The bad guys have a LOT more vested in “keepin’ the dream alive” They’ve got millions waiting in line to strap on their “Fruit of Kaboom” underware but logic dictates that charismatic millionaires to bankroll the whole thing have got to be in extremely short supply. 50/50 chance as to whether he’s still alive. He could be tooling around about anywhere in that part of the world still sporting Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers on his dialysis machine.

    • eddie47d

      a.l.; Your another pro war lemming. You’ve been a dime a dozen over the centurys.

      • Al Sieber

        Hey eddie, is that the best you can do? I’m against war, after “Nam”. you need to put your “crack pipe” down and pay attention.

    • FEDup

      …or he could be tooling around somewhere in this country. He’s worth more to the elites and MIC if ‘believed’ to be alive. Doesn’t matter if he is dead or not. If he is indeed dead, he’s being kept alive in spirit to keep the game on. Just like Bob said, the bogey man. Less than a month after the Bilderberg meeting is over, now Mr. Kissinger says not so fast, we may not get out of Afganistan as quickly as thought. Lithium, gold, copper, poppies….

  • alan schmidt

    Why is it you don’t need facts to publish articles like this? It is exactly this kind of thing that allows the left to call us “conspiracy theroy mongers” and who can blame them. When you have reports saying the CIA is doing things like this and there is no credible eveidence to support this claim, then it’s no wonder they say these things. I thought the original idea behind journalism was to report the truth, get the truth out on the story. Now it just seems to be lets just say something to get people to think a certain way, persuade them right or persuade them left. I believe the American public is smarter than that, if the actual truth is put before them then thay can make an intelligent decision about a topic. However when you put misinformation out there as though it’s fact then how do you expect anyone to believe what it is you are trying to convince them of? Just like now they talk about evolution and no longer call it the “theroy of evolution”, it’s still a theroy and just because you don’t call it that doesn’t change the fact that it is, just like saying the CIA is fabricating the existence of Bin Laden, makes that a true statement. Without facts, without truth you have nothing but wind.

    • Al Sieber

      Hey alan, Osama Bin Laden was trained by the CIA.

    • Al Sieber

      alan, I forgot to mention Osama Bin Laden’s CIA name is Tim Osmond,”Goggle It”, do your research people. when people don’t understand things it becomes a conspiracy theory. good article Bob.

    • Jim Cumber

      Look, according to the late Pakistani Prime Minister, Benazir Bhutto (I may have spelled her name incorrectly), just before she died, Bin Laden was in a Pakistani hospital with late stage kidney failure in late 2001, for which regular dialysis and/or a kidney transplant was required. He was discharged in December of 2001, and headed for a section of the “tribal areas” of Pakistan, where neither a kidney transplant nor dialysis could be obtained, due to the primitive medical care available. Bin Laden, according to Ms Bhutto’s report, could NOT have lived in such primitive medical conditions any longer than VERY early 2002. She said he’s probably been dead since the first quarter of 2002, at the latest! Based upon this reliable report, I believe it is safe to say that Osama bin Laden has been “pushing up the daisies” since the first quarter of 2002, or over 8 years ago. There is a YouTube video, which I have seen, posted on the internet of Ms Bhutto (who, BTW, spoke EXCELLENT English!) delivering her report on bin Laden. When the “lame stream media”, BTW, replaces good journalism (reporting the FACTS!) in favor of persuading people to think a certain way, they are NO LONGER “journalists”, but rather, they have become NO BETTER than Josef Goebbels, who was Adolf Hitler’s “Minister of PROPAGANDA”!

      • Marilyn

        Dead or Not Dead. There are always other Terrorists to take on his agenda. It will not stop.

        • Claire

          Marilyn–you are correct. One dies and five more takes its place.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear alan schmidt,

      This site contains both news and commentary. This article is commentary. It is commentary based on an opinion I formed from research I have conducted. I didn’t, in this case, site sources as I sometimes do. The sources are as available for you to find as they were for me. I encourage you to delve deeply. As they said on the X-files… the truth is out there.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

    • REYKOOL

      ALAN SCHMIDT, READ MY PREVIOUS MESSAGE, YOU REALLY NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH:
      FIRST OSAMA AND THE MUJAH HEDEEN WERE TRAINED AND FINANCED BY THE CIA AND OUR MILITARY INTELLIGENCE FOR YEARS TO FIGHT AGAINST THE RUSSIANS IN AFGHANISTAN, IT IS VERY WELL DOCUMENTED (SEE CHARLIE’S WAR) . DECLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS FROM THE FBIS (FOREIGN BROADCASTING INTERNATIONAL SERVICE , PART OF THE CIA SHOWS TRANSLATIONS OF BIN LADEN CONVERSATIONS OVER LOCAL RADIOS STATING HIMSELF THAT HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 9/11 AND HE WAS SUSPECTING ROGUE ELEMENTS INSIDE THE US GOVERNMENT AND INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES, I HAVE THE DOCUMENT, ANYBODY CAN HAVE ACCCESS TO IT IF THEY WERE DOING THEIR HOMEWORK INSTEAD OF SWALLOWING THE WAR PROPAGANDA ON OUR CONTROLLED MAINSTREAM MEDIA .ALL NEWS PAPERS AND TV STATIONS IN THE US ARE INFILTRATED BY INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES
      ALSO CHECK ON GOOGLE : “AL QAIDA THE DATABASE” BY PIERRE HENRI BUNEL THAT WILL HELP YOU TO UNDERSTAND OUR PHONY “WAR ON TERROR” WHICH IS A HUGE CASH COW FOR THE MILITARY SECURITY AND INTELLIGENCE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
      ALSO CHECK GOOGLE “ADAM GADAHN THE FAKE AL QAIDA VIDEO”
      AS LONG AS YOU DON’T KNOW HOW INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES OPERATES TO DECEIVE THE PUBLIC YOU WILL HAVE NO CLUE ON OSAMA AND THE REST….THE BIN LADEN SPECIAL RESEARCH UNIT AT THE CIA HEAD QUATER IN LANGLEY V.A WAS CLOSED IN 2003…IT WAS CONFIRM BY MICHAEL SCHURER FORMER CIA IN CHARGE OF THE UNIT, IT IS DOCUMENTED AS WELL
      BIN LADEN VIDEOS FOR THE PAST 7 YEARS ARE PHONY , THE MAN NEVER GOT OLDER SINCE 2001 AND STILL LOOK THE SAME…THESE VIDEOS ARE PROVIDED BY INTEL CENTER A PRIVATE DEFENSE CONTRACTOR (FOR THE CIA AND PENTAGON),….STILL WONDER WHY THEY WANT TO KEEP THE BOGEY MAN ALIVE ?
      JUST CHECK HOW MUCH THEY MAKE OUT OF THEIR CONTRACTS …
      ANOTHER VERY SIGNIFICANT DOCUMENT ON THE FBI WEBSITE; http://www.fbi.gov CLICK MOST WANTED AND
      CLICK USAMA BIN LADEN AND SEE YOURSELF THERE IS NO MENTION OF THE 9/11 ATTACK ON BIN LADEN FBI MOST WANTED FILE…CHECK YOURSELF ALAN…OUR GOVERNMENT NEVER DELIVERED ANY
      DOCUMENTED PROOF ON OSAMA INVOLVMENT IN THE 9/11 ATTACK WHY DON’T YOU ASK THEM TO PROVIDE YOU WITH DOCUMENTATIONS, BECAUSE SO FAR THEY NEVER DID. THE 9/11 COMMISSION WAS A WHITE WASH BASED ON INFORMATIONS PROVIDED BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION BUT WERE NEVER INDEPENDANTLY INVESTIGATED, SO WHY REQUESTING PROOF FROM THIS WRITER WHEN YOU NEVER BOTHERED TO VERIFY THE “FACTS” PROVIDED BY YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT.OSAMA BIN LADEN HAD KIDNEY DESEASE AND WAS TREATED IN A U.S HOSPITAL IN 2000 , IT WAS CONFIRMED THAT DURING HIS HOSPITALIZATION HE WAS VISITED BY THE LOCAL CIA REPRESENTATIVE …WAKE UP ! YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR OSAMA ? I.AND STILL LOOOKING FOR WMD’s IN IRAQ ? DID YOU REQUEST ANY DOCUMENTATIONS ON THIS ?
      CONSPIRACY ? JUST CHECK ON GOOGLE “SENSITIVE INFORMATION ON THE PENTAGON ATTACK” VIDEO
      NOW A CONCLUSION (IT FEATS THE BELIEVERS OF THE AL QAIDA/OSAMA MYTH)
      ” RATIONALITY BELONGS TO THE COOL OBSERVER BECAUSE OF THE STUPIDITY OF THE AVERAGE MAN WHO FOLLOWS NOT REASON BUT FAITH AND HIS NAIVE FAITH REQUIRES NECESSARY ILLUSIONS AND
      EMOTIONALLY POTENT OVERSIMPLIFICATION PROVIDED BY THE MYTH MAKERS TO KEEP THE BELIEVER ON COURSE”
      HAVE A HAPPY 4TH OF JULY.

  • Daniel

    Bob, I’m very disappointed in you. I thought you knew better than to stoop to such a level. This article is absolutely worthless. You have become just like the anti-gun folks who make wild, baseless predictions of mayhem and bloodshed every time gun laws are relaxed. You ought to issue an apology for this article.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Daniel and Alan Schmidt,

      In May The Washington Post reported that two former CIA agents told them a video was made in order to try and discredit Osama bin Laden in the Muslim world by depicting him as sitting around a campfire drinking and acting foolishly. The agency also said that during the run-up to the Iraq invasion the agency discussed making a video to discredit Saddam by showing him having sex with boys. Both projects were turned over the military. Also, several organizations have done extensive analysis of previously-released bin Laden videos and shown them to be fakes–various tapes spliced together in some instances and using actors in others. There are obvious differences in facial features, grayness and growth of beard and hair, etc. that show them to be fakes. As to the audio tapes: how can you possibly know whether you are being told the truth about who’s voice you hear when you have never heard bin Laden’s voice nor can understand what he is saying?

      Do you not find it at all curious that a bin Laden video or audio or a drop of his name comes out at times convenient to advance the administration’s agenda, whether for Bush or for Obama? Obama is now trying to gain support for his change of commanders in Afghanistan and for an increasingly ugly situation there, so Panetta drops bin Laden’s name. Coincidence? Hardly.

      Finally, I invite you to read these two books: http://www.personalliberty.com/bob-livingston/corporatism-the-secret-government-of-the-new-world-order-by-jeffrey-grupp/ and http://www.personalliberty.com/bob-livingston/the-secret-history-of-american-empire-the-truth-about-economic-hit-men-jackals-and-how-to-change-the-world-by-john-perkins/.

      Also, quit getting your news solely from the main stream media and look deeper for your information. The truth is out there. But you must choose to see it.

      All the best,
      Bob

      • Susan

        Bob,

        Both your initial article and your response to Daniel and Adam clearly state your position on the myth of bin Laden. I served in the Army for 23 years, and during my career I was called to duty in support of some wild goose hunt in the name of national security. I have to agree with you, and your sources, that bin Laden has been either dead or incapacitated for over a decade. The reason for my belief may be biased by my loyalty to the soldiers who are being used as game pieces on a global Stratego board game.

        I also agree that to effectively support ones position on this topic, or any other for that matter, one much research and analyze all relevant information from the left, right, top, bottom, and the middle. U. S. troops have been involved in tribal, civil, and jihad conflicts in the Middle East since the early 1900′s. Initially the Americans were told it was to contain the expansion of the Soviet Union. Then we were told it was to protect Greece and Turkey. Carter sent us there in response to an imminent threat of attack by Iranian terriorists. George Sr. sent us to the Persian Gulf to capture Sadam and prosecute him for acts of genicide. Clinton had a previously planned oral presentation, so he made sure that both operations were strong, swift, and reached the desired climax. As for Georgie Jr., his paranoia and Napolean complex matched that of “The Brain” from the animated series, Pinky and the Brain. He wanted to “rule the world”, and make daddy proud.
        As for the present administration, Obama faces opposition on every issue he presents to Congress. It is unfair to pass judgement on the effectiveness of his administration this early in his term. I believe that if he had known the full extent of the state of the nation, he may have let the the Maverick’s trot peacefully into the slaughterhouse.
        For the last 110 years, the main focus of American intervention in the Middle East has been protecting the vast deposits of oil. The deaths of military soldiers are a factor that is considered during risk analysis and strategic planning. In fact, a great value is placed on the armament and equipment than is place on the soldier operating the equipment. For every one soldier lost in a conflict, there are 5 more being reconditioned and indoctrinated to blindly go to the mountain.
        bin Laden’s followers have elevated him as their spiritual leader. The reality is that many of the members of al Quaida and the Taliban have never seen bin Laden, but their faith propels them to defend his teachings. Both sides of the fence share an equal amount of responsibility for the continuence of this war. My question to them, and as a Vietnam era veteran I have the right to ask, did we learn nothing from the mistakes of the past? France gave up on Vietnam and turned that nightmare over to the Americans. Afghanistan has been involved in this battle for over 120 years. They have been the constant aggressor throughout this tribal war. The rest of the world lined up alphabetically and each took their turn playing ‘King of the Hill”.
        For those who read this and disagree with my position, remember this is my personal opinion based partial on extensive research and analysis, and first-hand experience. Fortunately for us, we still have the right to freely express ourselves, a right that is being defended every hour of every day by the fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, grandfathers, and grandmothers around the world. Support their efforts and respect their sacrifices.

        • http://naver samurai

          Susan, I’m a 20 year veteran with the army and I’ve also been to Iraq and Afghanistan. My platoon and I kick a lot of terrorists butts, secured areas, improved the lives of the local people, and we were also highly awarded for our actions. I don’t ever remember fighting for the oil over there. Never guarded any oil wells, refineries, pipe lines, etc., just people in the towns and villages in our area of responsibility. No, the last president didn’t set out to conquer areas to make his daddy proud. Don’t forget, a lot of this could have been avoided if Clinton would have taken out Osama when he had the chance to do so (3 times if I remember right). How can you, a former soldier, say that we just sent soldiers there to die? Everyone that died over there is a hero and not just some f!@#$%^ stat! It seems that when you left the army, you also left your patriotism and professionalism there too. This is coming from a retired E7 with a silver star, bronze star, and 2 purple hearts. If they press me back into service and say you’re going to Iraq, I’d just ask them: “When does the plane leave?” Have a good 4th and try to be more patriotic!

          • http://naver samurai

            I forgot to say, good article Bob and keep them coming. I’ve decided to run for senateor from Indiana in 2012. Wish me luck!

          • JC

            samurai, I’m grateful that people like yourself are willing to answer the call. But I have to ask, did you swear an oath to uphold the Constitution? Or just to the CIC? Not being sarcastic, I’m asking in a serious way. I’m glad you were able to help some people but do you think they will ever learn to help themselves?

            I personally do not believe it is our job to police the world.
            Nor do I believe that supporting a war and being a patriot are necessarily the same thing.
            And history usually proves out that there were ulterior motives behind every major conflict.

            Here’s a thought from one of the more infamous military characters in history. I’ll let you decide if there are any similarities to today’s thread.

            “Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

            Hermann Goering testifying at the Nuremburg Trials

            “It works the same in any country”
            He’s right about that.

            Be Well.

          • http://naver samurai

            I understand what you are saying JC. When I was still in, I didn’t just go into my commander’s office and say. “Send me somewhere where there is shooting.” I, like many other servicemen, were told to go there and had no choice in the matter. I saw a lot of things there that I didn’t like either, but I swore an oath before God to defend the Constitution and people of the U.S. Sometimes we have to do things that we normally don’t like to do, that’s part of the job. No one wants to sleep outside in the heat, dust, and wake up in the morning with a good case of sand fleas. Or maybe a camel spider resting next to your head. I’m not a warmonger, but I just believed that it was my duty to perform, regaurdless what I thought or how it affected me. I’m married to a great wife from Korea (이숙영) Lee Sook Young and I didn’t want to go there either, but I had to. We all have to do our duty and my wife understood that. I guess she has the right to her opinion, but if she served, didn’t say anything, and now does after she retires. To me that’s like stabbing someone in the back. In 2 months, my oldest son Phillip goes to OCS at Fort Benning, Georgia. He also knows about duty and where he may go after graduating from OCS. So, I don’t say these things lightly. I just think that if it is your duty to do something, just do it and ask questions later.

          • JC

            Fair enough samurai, Thanks for the thought out response.

      • MichelleO

        Amen to that Bob and well said!!

      • Al Sieber

        Thanks Bob, there’s no reason I would make this up, for what reason? I’ve done a lot of research also, not as much as you, but, enough so far to figure it out. some people refuse to believe the Govt. would even consider lying to it’s citizens. I’ve read books by Edward Bernays,the father of propaganda, and ( I think he was related to Sigmund Freud) Joseph Goebbels, propaganda minister of Nazi Germany. one of Hitler’s saying was: ” it’s so fortunate for governments that people don’t think”. thanks for the links, we need to try harder to take our country back from these criminals. “Happy July 4th”

  • JC

    They’ll never find Bin Laden (aka: the other Bush boy). He played his role well and now we are on the verge of martial law and being herded into a one world government. Mission accomplished.
    Unless of course, We The People take back our White House and our Government.

  • jopa

    We knew exactly where Osama Bin Ladin was until Pete Hoekstra of the Housse intelligence committee proclaimed how smart they were.He said” every time Bin Ladin makes a cell phone call we can pinpoint his location”.Bin Ladin turns off his phone and here we are today.So many geniuses in Washington.

  • Airangel

    I honestly don’t know what to believe anymore…we’re fed one lie after the next…people don’t care about people anymore, just “what’s in it for me”? Neighbors don’t even know who their neighbors are anymore…too busy with their agendas, heck families don’t even stay a stronghold because our society has become so depraved and selfish…nobody has time for truth, just take care of me and my needs and I could care less what goes on in the world…it’s so sad what the media and marketing and education have done. It’s even sadder that our elected officials who are supposed to rise above it all and keep this country great and in the forefront as moral leaders have sold their soul to the elite devils…are there no leaders with redeemable qualities or are we just doomed? Are we just shells/bodies with our souls gutted out? Where is the heartbeat of America? How do we take down Union Thugs? How do we eradicate the Oligarchy cancer from America so we can live and breathe freely? How do we make people start caring about one another instead of hating?

    I know these blogs are informative and a way to vent or bond or share but it’s not enough…believe it or not, I don’t agree with this president but I know God can perform miracles so I pray for him to be guided by a higher power than the Oligarchy and to do what’s right by the American Citizens and other citizens of the world…we are all in a strangle hold from devious governments!

    Sorry I went off. Just seems everywhere I turn insanity is taking over and choking out good!

    I do have some good news though…my little brother made it back safely Sunday from Afghan and for the first time in years, he will be able to celebrate Independence Day on “still American” soil with his family. We are thankful and happy to have him home :)

    God Bless all our military all over the world and at home this “Independence” Weekend. I pray “We the People” won’t let your sacrifices down and WE will find strength and courage to do our part to secure and keep our America!

    • libertytrain

      Airangel – glad your brother is back in-country. My son-in-law got back a few weeks ago and now just have my daughter with just a little less than two months to go.

    • MichelleO

      Airangel – God bless you and your family – have a safe and happy 4th of July much love Michelle O

    • Claire

      Airangel–Thank you for your thoughtful words of wisdom. You are a true American and a compassionate, caring person. I thank God that your brother is safe at home, and I sincerely wish you and your entire family a wonderful holiday.

    • airangel

      Thank you all for your warm wishes…and I too wish you all a safe and Freedom Loving weekend – God Speed!

  • refuse2lose

    Just remember,it was a member of our own government who said that the terror level was increased in order to scare Americans and allow our government to continue fighting illegal wars.

    Does anybody find it the least bit curious that we have not had a single terrorist act or even a mention of the possibility since the oil rig exploded? It looks to me like our government assumes we are all glued to the Gulf, so they don’t feel the need to make up more terrorist stories.

  • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

    Whether dead or alive, Obama is exactly as has been stated, “The Bogeyman” used to scare americans into accepting the unacceptable. From the moment that the twin towers were blown up by planted explosives to now it’s all about controlling with fear. Too many want to make Bin Laden the “real” problem in their minds because they really don’t want to admit how much they’ve been duped and continue to hang o tho thier favorite objects of hate.. be be those objects arabs, jews, republicans or democrats, gays or Christian fundamentalists. No need for embarrassment there. Some of the best Psyops science on the planet is at work on anyone who reads main stream press and watches TV.

  • s c

    If you will recall, Panetta is a leftover from the Bubba Clinton administration. How he qualifies as the head of the CIA is beyond me. He’s more or less the reverse of Bush I (GB’s father). Somehow, he “qualified” the same way GB’s father did [contacts and chums, not real qualifications].
    The CIA, it seems, is thoroughly politicized, and amounts to an arm muscle for whatever airhead is in ther White House. It may serve a purpose in one administration, and then becomes more of an info source and a back-up avenue to bolster the pathetic reputation of the next administration.
    I’m not sure the CIA can help us secure our borders – assuming that they give a damn about America.

    • Jim Cumber

      A short history lesson is in order, here. When the “Company” (as the C.I.A. is known in the “intelligence community”) was first formed in the late 1940s, the United States, which had NEVER had a “civilian” intelligence agency in its entire history, asked for help from our British allies in setting it up. The British Agent who was “seconded” to the fledgling C.I.A. to set up and establish the “Soviet Interest” section of the Company, was one Kim Philby. In the early 1960s, it was discovered that Philby was and had been a Soviet Agent (infiltrating British Intelligence) since at least the 1930s! I have a “slight” covert ops background, and I found out about this “spy scandal” in the late 1960s. Unfortunately, the British “blew the arrest” and Philby escaped to Moskva (Moscow), where he died before the Soviet Union fell. So, Philby was never interrogated and the Company was never “sanitized” of the Soviet Agents which Philby had implanted, there. Short version: the Company was compromised by the Soviet K.G.B. from its very inception. It was Kennedy’s proposal to “smash the C.I.A. to a million pieces and scatter it to the four winds” (replacing the Company with vetted and proven, U.S. Military intelligence personnel from the Defense Intelligence Agency) which led to Kennedy’s assassination, at the hands of Mafia “shooters” hired by the Soviet K.G.B., through a long term agreement (wherein the Mafia handled all the K.G.B.’s “wet work” and counterfeiting in the United States) established in 1924. These are confirmed, historical facts.

      • JC

        I never would have agreed to the formulation of the CIA back
        in ’47, if I had known it would become the American Gestapo.
        —Harry S Truman (1961)

      • vicki

        If they are confirmed historical facts you can of course cite your sources and provide links to the info on the net.

  • jopa

    When Homeland Security was created and all the govt. agencies placed under one leader and losing their identity identity, they seemed to have been slacking quite a bit.Perhaps we should go back to the old way.

    • Jim Cumber

      The Department of Homeland Security (D.H.S.) is the “Department of Redundancy Department”! When D.H.S. was first formed after 9/11, I thought we already HAD a “Department of Homeland Security”. IT IS CALLED THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE! D.H.S. is rapidly turning into an “American K.G.B.” or the “U.S. Gestapo”, and should be broken up, along with the Company, as the C.I.A. is known. The high-pitched “whirring sound” we are all hearing is the sound of our Founding Fathers SPINNING in their graves!

      • Sadie Palein

        Spy cameras and domestic drones will make us safer and more secure. Secret Judges on secret trials will insure that who ever was in charge still is.

  • The Munz

    I keep hearing this, but we need evidence. Not that I doubt that the government would do this. But I think that evidence is needed before we become our own worst enemy and make remarks about wars we are engaged in. We need the public supporting or troops in every way shape and form while they are in harms way. These types of articles seem to fuel the people who protest at funerals for our fallen, which I think is nothing less than heinous.
    I disagree with the war, Obama’s handling of it, but I support it simply so that our children, brothers, sisters and parents overseas get the support that THEY deserve.
    We owe them a debt that can never be repaid.

    I never want to see another soldier treated as they were returning from Viet Nam.

    • JC

      Agreed. And lets’ bring our best and bravest home form these useless stretches of sand. We have some American sand that needs defending and right now.

      • DaveH

        I second that motion, JC.

      • American Citizen

        Right on, it’s time to turn that sand to glass. Those people in the Middle East will never learn to get along. The hatred is too ingrained.

  • Jim Canale

    Did you notice the announcements from the Pentagon a couple weeks ago, that VAST mineral wealth had been found in Afghanistan? That’s an attempt to convince some gullible and greedy people that we have to stay involved.

    The constant hounding of Iran is dishonest. Iran has never threatened us. Despite claims to the contrary, they have not threatened Israel. Yes, their president has said that Israel should have never existed. (It was formed by UN mandate, without the consent of the Palestinians and Arab nations.) He has a right to his opinion. No proof exists that they have fed arms to Iraqi insurgents. (It’s laughable that Shiite Iran would arm Sunni Iraqi’s.) Iran has never said they are creating a bomb. We should be more concerned that Israel attacks anyone it thinks is a threat. They did it to Iraq and Syria, and now threaten Iran. They regularly spy on the US and steal our military technology. They have in years past, attacked our ships. Iran signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Israel has not.

    The US regularly cozies up to the tyrants in Red China. They oppress and kill citizens for speaking out. They regularly send missles towards Taiwan, and threaten to invade. Yet somehow, they are our ALLY and trading partner, and Iran is our enemy. We pick fights with small defenseless nations to keep our military machine highly funded.

    • Airangel

      they were probably after that Trillion in mineral wealth however Karzai awarded it to the Japanese…now China and Japan are just standing by while we sacrifice the bloodshed to secure their wealth…I say send in their own soldiers to stabilize the Tribal nation and bring our troops home and let our military create their own Jihad on the Mexican Drug Cartel and run them off Arizona and shoot anyone that tries crossing illegally (won’t take long for word to get out we mean business)!!! Let our snipers take out there snipers and PROTECT OUR LAND AND OUR CITIZENS! We can liberate no one else now until we liberate America, starting with Phoenix and DC!! Eradicate illegal aliens and “would be” terrorists…they just haven’t been called to action yet but they are here on American soil!

  • http://Hotmail.com Leland

    It seems almost impossible to believe Bin Laden is still alive and hidden in the underground caves in the Afganistan/Pakistan mountain borders. Otherwise how would any radio communications with the outside world be possible and not be detected? I am sure the military has listening devices monitoring every frequency band available in the short-wave sector looking for a signal from this region. Why have more of his upper-level staff not been detected either? It seems impossible that no Afgans or Pakistans would come forward with information in hopes of a financial reward about Bin Laden too. Leland

  • helen snotknocker

    Obummer is ready for Billy(the exterminator) May he receive a vote from the second story of the library!!!~ where is the CIA, when we need them????? So walk tall alone, make sure your guns are loaded, and continue to buy ammo, for there is going to be an uprising!!!!!!!!!
    Obummer, and his [offensive terms removed], are better off going to indonesia, never to return!!!!~!!!~

  • helen snotknocker

    As the worm squirms, may he never —-ever think that the USA is a land of chicago politics, for the CIA MUST BE SLEEPING!!!!! Obummer has got to leave this planet!!! and his body must be carried with a sewer crew, for he was and is the [offensive word removed] upon our country!!!!!!

    A

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT-5h-OBgBE Ron Stone

    Whether these politicians wear an “R” or a “D” on their tee shirts, there is very little difference. Even those with at least some sincere desire to do good things get in office and bam, these intensions fall prey to the system. Until we fix the system (and it is severely broken), we will never get our country back.

    • Anthony

      Ron is dead on with his comment. The Oligarchs have infiltrated both political parties and it’s been that way for at least 100 years. The Left/Right Paradigm has always been false.

    • JC

      Start by abolishing the Fed, and return to sound currency. Then return to a more simplified code of justice. Incarcerate politicians who are caught dealing under the table in any way.
      That ought to be a good start.

  • helen snotknocker

    May the potus and flotus, reach the end of their rainbows!!!! For I am the leprecon, that is here to de-rail their dreams!!!!
    Laugh if you will—— for the time draws nigh,
    I walk alone, I live alone, so I have the spirit
    to end the chess game!!!!
    see ya barry soetoro

    • Tony

      oh boy…. i thought i was the only one watching all of this that wasn’t on one side of the chess board or the other…. the end comes and camp awaits…. there is where we will meet again

  • Officer Sam

    Leon Panetta responded candidly to a question. George H Bush was the first CIA president. William Casey dropped dead of cancer. George Tenet said Iraq was a slam dunk. Be vigilant regardless of what others say about it being safe outside. Too many people may get too relaxed. There are always enemies within and without.

  • Old Man Time

    I’m certainly glad the wars go well. Obama has been relentless. Soon the Taliban will fall victim to all the vices we left for the tribal warloards. They will be just like us.

  • Anthony

    1. Al-Qaeda – is the name of a U.S. Gov’t Database listing muslim terrorists …. it is NOT the name of any actual group of islamic jihadists who have it out for America. THERE MAY BE islamists that want to do harm to us – but, they have never bothered with forming this Al-Qaeda Network, that our own Gov’t wants us to believe is out there.

    2. TRUTH – The Bin Ladens have been friends of the Bush Family for decades. It was the Bin Ladens that funded Elder Bush’s foray into the Oil Business. Google it up, if you like.

    3. It is my belief that Osama bin Laden was accidentally killed, or died from some medical problem, several years ago. As Bob Livingston has pointed out, each time we see a video or a photo, it isn’t exactly the same person we’re being shown. If you want to get weird – on the Montel Williams Show, he has a lady psychic by the name of Sylvia Brown, who stated back in 2005 that she felt Osama was already dead. And, around that time, we did hear of Osama having some sort of medical problem, like kidney disease, or whatever.

    IT IS MY BELIEF that most of what we are being told now, is just to keep us at bay, nothing more. This discussion by Clinton’s boy, Panetta, is just another crack at obfuscation… and he’s about as credible at being the CIA Chief as GHW-Bush was. It’s just another decoy piece online coming from the CFR to keep everyone off-balance.

    • DuWain

      Yo Tony,
      al-Qaeda means “the base”. The phrase defines the nexus from which all operations are launched, in other words the ‘core group’. I “googled it up”, it must be true.

  • Lawrence Bates

    Nonsense! The reason that the CIA can’t find Osama Bin Laden is that they have been looking on the wrong continent. He is alive and well and has been living in the Lincoln bedroom for 17 1/2 months, eating takeout.

    • JC

      I was wondering why no one had checked GWB’s poolhouse. lol

  • DuWain

    Interesting. I expect that the closest Susan ever got to being ‘in’ the Army was to picket outside the gate. (Note her condescension of the Commander in Chief.)
    It is obvious who the leftist nitwits are who frequent this site. They attempt change the conversation, redefine current events, and rewrite history. And, when they lose that argument, they always resort to character defamation – a clue that they have lost the argument.
    Bottom line is: bin Laden’s location is irrelevant. The thunder you hear approaching in the distance is the juggernaught of jihadism. Liberals are merely useful idiots trying to keep up.

    • http://PLD Tommy

      well said

  • http://aol.com John Pickett

    I got a better idea about bin laden. Let’s give Maobama and Bitemebiden and Congress and the Senate a new job! Dress them up tele-promter and all and send them to Pakistan,Iran,Afghanistan, or just anywhere but here and give them also a canteen of water and say now if you need anything else find a phone and call us. Dial One for ENGLISH! Dial Two for English! If you want to talk to a live person you are SH!@T out of luck! Besides who still believes in the Boogey man anymore! Remember you should be very careful who you start fights with D.C. America is Our Land and don’t you forget it!!

  • Marcus

    Hi, what do you guys think about this?? The NWO wants us alone and undefended. We need to stop being overwhelmed and start building from the ground up. Remember that a strong family comes first. Build up your food, energy, and defensive resources. Next strong community, get out and share your strengths with your neighbors, build each other up. The NWO doesn’t have enough people to defeat us if we stand together, and the military and police won’t want to take on a strong community. Then build community relations between each other. Then start working on the states taking control of themselves again. Then start working on the federal government. The states should start their own banks to take control back from the FED and start sponsoring small farmers and businesses again. The states need to break up the National Guard Bureau and regain control of their military. Hold onto federal tax receipts, and pay the FED only for legitimate costs. There’s a lot that we can do, but it starts with the family.

    Thanks for listening, Marcus

  • mehoward

    GEORGE W. BUSH DID MORE TO HELP THE CIA THAN ANY PRESIDENT IN RECENT YEARS. I HOPE THAT OBAMA DOES NOT DISMANTLE WHAT PRESIDENT BUSH DID.
    IF YOU ARE UNSURE OF HOW TO DO SOMETHING YOU SURROUND YOURSELF WITH PEOPLE WHO DO. OBAMA HAS SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH MARXIST,COMMUNIST,AND PURE OUT TERRORIST. WHAT DO YOU THINK HE’S LEARNED? HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY. GOD BLESS YOU AND GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!MRHPENSACOLA,FL

    • eddie47d

      The CIA is not God Almighty and there might be a few times when they were needed but not enough for all the messes they get us into. (Iran,Vietnam,Chile,Central America). They became too busy overthrowing governments and dragging us into bigger messes. One dictator is killed and replaced with another.

  • jopa

    Barack Obama never said anything about winning in Afganistan because there is nothing to win.This is a total lose lose occupation.Lives and American treasure.Al Qaidea does’nt need a whole country to set up a few monkey bars and call it a training camp.Every time I see those pictures of these supposed training camps I wonder if were supposed to suck this up to be reason enough to go to war.One American sniper team is all we neede in Afganistan in the beginning.

  • Scott Brown

    I haven’t read all the comments (I often do, but I’m weary). But you know this is all bullshit, of course. (1) He’s probably dead but, yes, they are propping him up for the military-industrial complex to shoot at for the MSM. (2) All the tapes and the constantly recurring threats are a patent lie. (3) One guy with a few friends in caves are threatening DC and Manhattan and it’s costing us billions upon billions of our money to find him. (Let’s spend MORE!)

    It is absurd, children. How amazingly stupid do they think we are?

    How amazingly stupid are YOU? I’d like to say this is not a TV show, but yes. It’s a TV show. Which costs our kids lives and billions of our dollars and is self-perpetuating every time we kill a civilian.

    For no good reason at all.

  • http://none constance drummand

    I have4 wondered for sometime if ben laden is alive.If he is then he has really dug in. I still find it interesting if he really is alive

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