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Keep China Happy: Vote Obama

January 18, 2012 by  

Keep China Happy: Vote Obama

Good news: You don’t need to fret about global war, the economy or even the future value of outstanding U.S. Treasury bills, notes and bonds, at least if China has any say. It is not going to do a single thing to rock America’s boat. In fact, Beijing hopes that things stay smooth as glass, because it holds more than $1.1 trillion of U.S. Treasury debt. And with the direction America is going, the country would love nothing better than to see Barack Obama re-elected.

China’s leaders are not stupid. To them, Obama is the best thing to come along since one-minute rice.

One prominent Republican agrees. Last month, self-promoter extraordinaire Donald Trump wrote an open letter to the President. Trump took issue with Obama regarding the advantages in trade that China is being given, writing: “How little respect the Chinese government has for you.”

Last week, Trump added to his complaints against Obama’s China policy, saying: “They’re having a field day with the United States and our leadership.”

You would have to be an idiot to discount China’s global ambitions. Beijing is covering all of its bases, building a 21st Century military, piling up IOUs and putting capitalism to work. (Poor Mao Zedong. All he did was turn hundreds of millions of kids into robots and wear a stupid cap.)

The new leaders in China are not peasants like Mao, nor are they blinded by Communist doctrine. They have set their sights on global domination and one of their biggest allies is Obama.

China’s Ambition: Drink Canada Dry

Welcome to Calgary, a global epicenter for energy and home to thousands of Americans, including yours truly. Most of us transplants love it here, and why not? The politics are conservative, the economy is booming and the petroleum industry is strong.

But don’t expect to walk around downtown and see Texans ambling by in cowboy boots and Stetsons. It is more likely you will encounter Chinese nationals staking out the city’s finest restaurants and hotels.

The likes of J.R. Ewing don’t throw much of a wake. However men like Jiang Jiemin, the chairman of PetroChina, do.

Much of the blame lies with Obama because he refuses to renew America’s claim in Canada’s incredibly rich oil sands. By placating the Greens, Obama is frittering away a windfall of petroleum just waiting to be harvested for the benefit of all North American people.

Consider that Canada has the second largest oil reserves in the world. Only Saudi Arabia has more. Canada’s reserves are mostly in the form of shale oil. I have visited the oil sands projects in Northern Alberta, and they are a moonscape. Digging up ground to squeeze oil from rock is a dirty process, but also an effective one. When I first started writing about energy 30 years ago, it cost almost $30 to make a barrel of crude from oil sands. With new technologies, the price has fallen to about $10 per barrel.

While Greens in the United States cry foul over some dead ducks caused by Alberta’s oil sands reservoirs, China appreciates the bonanza that exists here and desperately wants to tap into it.

It won’t be long before China is consuming more oil than the United States.

In September, China’s Ministry of Public Security released a statement indicating that the number of automobiles in China has surged to 100 million. As of the end of August, China registered 219 million motor vehicles in four categories: motorcycles, tractors, trucks and automobiles.

As the President and his Democrats delay Alberta’s oil sands imports that can easily be harvested, China is pouring billions of dollars into Canada. Since 2009, China has invested $16 billion in cash into Canada’s energy projects.

This investment has come about as Ottawa has changed its hard-line policies toward China. Today, Ottawa is busily reassuring Beijing that its investment is safe in Canada.

In response, China has been eager to roll its U.S. dollars into Canadian petroleum projects. Why wouldn’t it? After all, the greenback has been steadily weakening for more than a decade. More recently, the turmoil in North Africa and the Mideast has demonstrated to Chinese investors something that leaders in Washington used to understand: Canada is a safe, secure democracy worth investing in.

The foremost reason for this marriage between Canada and China is that Congressional Democrats openly reject Canadian crude. After 200 years of a peaceful alliance and after fighting two world wars together, Obama and his Green coalition are denouncing Canada — even if it means embracing Muslim Sheiks who enacted two oil embargoes against the United States in the 1970s and who continue to finance Islamic extremists.

Last week, The Financial Post wrote this about the growing alliance between Canada and China:

Canada’s recent Asian market diversification drive after the U.S. State Department delayed the approval of the Keystone XL pipeline has given Chinese energy companies further incentive to invest in Canada. Although keeping a low profile in the intensifying Canadian debate on building more pipelines to the West Coast, China and other Asian countries hope to have access to Canadian oil and gas in the near future.

Communists better understand the advantages of investing in Canada and the most strategic commodity on Earth: oil.

Perhaps we should not be surprised. In the ancient treatise The Art of War, Chinese philosopher Sun Tzu wrote:

A wise general makes a point of foraging on the enemy. One cartload of the enemy’s provisions is equivalent to twenty of one’s own, and likewise a single picul [133.3 pounds] of his provender is equivalent to twenty from one’s own store.

The bottom line is that a vote for Obama is a vote for China. He will continue his policies of the past three years, making Beijing very happy. China’s leaders are well-educated in history and have undoubtedly have read what Napoleon Bonaparte said: “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers
Myers Energy & Gold Report

 

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • FreedomFighter

    >The foremost reason for this marriage between Canada and China is that Congressional Democrats openly reject Canadian crude. After 200 years of a peaceful alliance and after fighting two world wars together, Obama and his Green coalition are denouncing Canada — even if it means embracing Muslim Sheiks who enacted two oil embargoes against the United States in the 1970s and who continue to finance Islamic extremists..]>

    Becsuse they are communist Marxists hell bent on ending America, ending our way of life and turning America into a hell hole like N. Korea.

    They will sell all our resources that the refuse to let us Americans use to China, gut us for resources, give our productive land away.

    The are doing it now with Federal land grabs, EPA restrictions, regulation, then when the time is right sell to …take a guess.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Alex Frazier

      Make no mistake … the day our politicians try to sell off the United States, in any portion, to other nations, I will personally make my objection known with the force of arms. I don’t take lightly the idea of using force against the government. There are almost always options. But should they shrink to the audacity of selling off pieces of the United States, they are clearly enemies of our nation and need to be put down.

      • Tall Ted

        That’s a really big IF.

        • granny mae

          Alex,
          You are a day late and a dollar short. This has already happened. What doesn’t belong to other countries in this country , belongs to the UN. All of our National Treasurs, Yellowstone , the Statue of Liberty, Okechobee etc. now are all under the control of the UN. We have been sleeping while our government has been putting the (you know whatto us). There are so many things that have taken place and we have heard nothing about them. Where is the media that we have looked to for our information? Everyone talks a big talk, (even me) about what we will do IF ! Guess what we are full of hot air and every one out there knows it ! Thanks to Obama we have no respect from anyone today. He is part of the plan of the Muslims and Ossama, to financially break this country and he has just about done that. It almost seems as though even the Democratic party is helping him and have no regards for this country at all. Our only hope is to pray to God that it isn’t too late and we can get him out of office with this election !

          • California Lonely GOPer

            You are so right Granny Mae. I think Obama secretly admires China. He also has lots of relatives who are either 100% Chinese or partially Chinese thru his indochina and hawaii connections.

            I can’t believe this great is now being run by foreigners and muslims!

            I am moving to AZ or TX this summer, God willing. Can’t stand CA no more with all them Chinese illegal and Mexicans.

          • jay

            Wow! I thought I was the only one with those thoughts. Yippee! Although, I think it’s too late to turn it around.

      • Al Swearingen

        You are waaaaay to late.

      • Brian

        You should research the self contained community China is trying to set up in Idaho.

        • Old Henry

          Brian:

          Do you have a link? Any more info? I have heard nothing of this.

        • Barbara

          How about the 1/2 dozen or so bridges that are being engineered and built around our country by the Chinese……it’s sickening.

      • John

        lol, Where where you when our states sold bridges tollroads and land to foreign governments?

        • FreedomFighter

          I was watching mainstream media, whom didnt mention it.

          I was in the dark, not so now.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • USMC Grunt

            To make matters worse, they were not only engineered in China but are being built with Chinese steel and erected by Chinks. Makes one wonder where the outrage is from the Unions?

      • http://Boblivingstonletter Gottaplenty

        What an idiot ….

        • Old Henry

          To whom are you replying Gotta?

      • m walsh

        They’re selling off pieces of the U.S. because of the Bush taxbreaks,(The republican insist on keeping, the huge military outlay none of you guys complain about.) It’s not for human rights we’re fighting for or even defense but for materialism/capitalism that benefits big investors , big ceo’s and overseas workers. The breaks aren’t bringing money into this country to pave roads here or give the middle &working classes a break in taxes. The shrinking middle classes = less taxable sources = less governemnt income coupled with increased spending (Wars are expensive) = crisis. I’m sick of the global economy, for most people in the U.S. it’s made no difference in their life. Don’t write back because I won’t answer.

        • ChristyK

          Who on this site is promoting our country’s militarism. I don’t remember a single comment promoting it. We all understand that we need to cut spending in all areas.

          You talk about tax cuts as if the governmetn owned the money. Those people earned their money, most through hard work. The government should not be taking peoples hard earned money for anything not explicitly ennumerated in the constitution.

          • Bill

            right on Christy. You sound like another Ron Paul.
            Ron Paul in the NC debate went over the difference between spending money for the military and spending money for defense. Two different things. He wants to spend money for defense. Give it to the Military Industrial complex and they’ll be building all kinds of things but not necessary spending it on defense.
            keep educating those that are not aware, thanks.

          • Deerinwater

            It’s never been a matter of what is said, but what is DONE.

            The two failure to reconcile with GOP leadership. It’s been so since 198o.

            You explain that and then we might enjoy a meaningful conversation.

        • eddie47d

          Bob Livingston does not promote war (militarism) yet there are plenty on this site who do. Gingrich,Romney,Santorum,Bachmann,Obama,Perry and Cain do. Perry is grandstanding on this issue as we speak and opening up the “missile silos” and polishing the nose cones.

          • granny mae

            eddie,
            I hate to tell you this but the majority of those missile silo’s are already empty and have been for over thirty years. In fact some of them were sold to private citizens that turned them into homes, of all things ! Missiles today are much smaller and look a lot like the cruise missile, among others !

        • clarence swinney

          18 years and Nafta sent 800,000 jobs to Mexico
          Bush sent 2,300,000 in 8 years

          Yet! that is “only” 2% of our total work force.

          My city of 45,00 wants to get back 6000 in apparel and textiles.

        • clarence swinney

          Clinton to Bush to Obama
          Who Dug the Deep Hole? Who Fumbled the ball?
          Numbers rounded

          Clinton left Bush an 1800B Budget
          Bush Left Obama a 3500 Budget

          Clinton left Bush a 240B Surplus as far as the eye can see
          Bush left Obama a 1400B Deficit as far as the eye can see

          Clinton left Bush 5,700B of Debt
          Bush left Obama 11,800B of Debt

          Clinton left Bush a 237,000 net new jobs created per month
          Bush left Obama a 31,000 lowest number since Hoover.

          Clinton left Bush 17 Million Manufacturing Jobs
          Bush left Obama 11 Million Manufacturing Jobs

          Clinton left Bush a 10,800 Dow
          Bush left Obama an 8028 Dow

          Clinton left Bush Peace on Earth Good Will From Most Men
          Bush left Obama Hell on Earth Two disastrous wars. Enmity of 1500 Million Muslims

          Clinton left Bush a President most highly rated of any peacetime President in Asia, Africa, Europe.
          Bush left Obama the most hated President in history
          Bush left Obama an Housing Tsunami and Financial Volcano
          Bush left Obama, in 2008, an 8500B Bail out commitment Yes! 8500 not just 700
          Bush left Obama his Takeover of Fannie/Freddie, AIG, and first bailout of Chrysler
          Bush increased maximum loan by Fannie/Freddie from $300,000 to $729,000
          Bush increased FDIC maximum deposit coverage from $100,000 to $250,000
           clarence swinney–political historian–lifeaholics of america burlington nc
          author-Lifeaholic–Life story of Workaholic failure to Lifeaholic success
          Best seller list in haw river nc population 200 and growing

          • Doug

            Hey Swine you better look and see what president signed the NAFTA and the FTA get your snoat out of the pig fee and your nose out of the Demorats ass you socialsit PIG!

          • Matt Newell

            Another “Blame Bush” clown. Presidents don’t leave anything that Congress hasn’t voted to (or not to) support. If you look deep enough you’ll see that Clinton had a Republican Congress at the end of his term and Bush had a Democrat Congress at the end of his term. Obama had a Democratic Congress at the start of his term and even then they screwed it up. Unfortunately the midterm elections returned a lot of RINOs and so we continue to suffer the consequences of a cowardly group who can’t stand up to the idea that calling Obama on his over reaches is not “racist” but the way to lead.

            I wrote my congressman about the raising of the debt limit and stated it should NOT be raised at any time. He wrote back and said he would only vote to raise it if the Democrats would cut spending. I wrote back and told him “if the spending is cut, then we have money so why do we need to raise the debt limit? If the spending is not cut, we won’t rais the debt limit. Why are we even thinking about raising the limit?” I never got a response to that, but I think it might be because I called him and the rest of Congress cowards for letting Obama walk all over them.

      • Bill

        Alex, If you can, I can’t, look up info on china being given 50 square miles of land in Colorado. don’t want to start or continue a rumor but I heard this from someone. don’t know if its true or not.

        • Flashy

          i found nothing. there are seveal sites about rare earth deposits being mined in Colorado because of China reducing the exports by 1/3. but nothing about China or anyone from mainland China buying Colorado property.

          Smeone else may find it…but nothing i ran had anything.

        • granny mae

          Bill,
          That may be confused with the Russians taking over the uranium minning in Colorado, but there was some info. from one of my friends in Texas that China has taken posession of a lot of property in Texas for drilling for oil ! The big out cry here was not so much that China was taking posession of American soil but that they could drill when our own companies can’t !

      • Maverick777

        Alex, The (our) GOVT is all ready in the process of selling USA off to China. Who elsee do we owe money too by the truck loads and what other country is our govt sending all our steel and alum and copper and much more from our west coast shores like Long Beach, CA. It’d become a joke and yet another reason to kick the idiot in chief out of office on his ear and I’d like to be the one who does it. The jerk in chief has been he worst elect and I hate to even call him the president but he is in name only to me, but he needs to go and go sooner than later.

        SEMPER FI

        • clarence swinney

          HISTORIANS ALREADY RANKING BUSHELOON WORST IN HISTORY

          • Matt Newell

            That would be Liberal Historians wouldn’t it? It usually takes 40 to 50 years to actually place the ranking of the president in history (you’ve only had three years plus so far. I’m sure you place Obama as one of the greatest presidents even though he is one of the crassest people who ever lived.

      • UncleFred

        Unfortunately when you realize or think the time has come, it will be too late. I’m not sure that it’s not too late now.

      • SainT Gabes

        China’s already started buying us….. Our government has sold out in a big way….

    • Richard Pawley

      And only the daily prayers of all who believe in God can save the United States, not that this party or that man win the election but that God’s will be done in our nation. Once we were men of sound morality and sound money. Today we have neither. When a once great nation like the United States has fallen so far that we have to depend on foreigners for the money to operate, then the day is far gone. When a once great nation like the United States has fallen so far that boys who think they are girls can now join the girl scouts then we have lost our mooring, and like the Italian cruise ship that recently sunk, we have a captain who apparently is not up to the job and our ship of state is equally at danger of sinking on the shoals of fiscal irresponsibilty and immorality.

      Are these really the last days of the United States as we have known them? I do not know. I only know that our prolifigate spending and waste of money is going to cause prices to triple and that is only if we get those elected to the Congress who will stop the spending. If it cannot be stopped then the tripling of food and other prices will be the least of our worries. We have been on a collision course with chaos for some time and that is what the socialists, Markists, and followers of Saul Alinsky are all in favor of. May God help the United States because no one else is going to do so.

      • m walsh

        I’m a religious person, go to church regularly,don’t drink , never did drugs, do not run around, try to give people the benefit of the doubt and not be judgemental be honest & fair with others etc. but you fail to consider the immorality of well-off individuals & companies that are given legal licenses to steal with all the ridiculous Bush taxbreaks. I’m sorry but if you live in a country you have to participate in & support that country. Aside from a religious viewpoint all the republicans & teapartiers hiding behind their fake bibles failing to note that the bible & other worldwide religions, state that you have a responsibility to aid the less fortunate in society not beat them up. I don’t like wasteful spending but Bush’s wars this administration inherited among other faults and upperclass greed have led us to the current decline of the once great U.S.A. It can be fixed id everyone, and I mean everyone would just wise up and stop being a spoiled brat esp. the ones who have truly benefitted over the years. PS. I have a relative who is a self-made multi-millionaire and will be ashamed of him if he forgets where he came from with his retired union-man working class father & grandfather.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          I wondered how long your verbiage would go on till you admitted that you are a typical Leftist.

          • G.B.

            Hope he has ordered his rosetta stone to learn Chinese.

          • granny mae

            He claims to be religious, but doesn’t seem to realize that the problems of this country can not be blames on just one person. We are suffering the punishment for all the choices of every single person in this country. How long can we push the blame of millions of inocents being killed in the name of pro-choice. You have the choice to kill babies but not the choice to keep your legs crossed or in the case of men , to keep your pants up ! How long do we think we can get by with taking God out of our country? How many of us complain about the persecution of of persons of faith and all the time we out number those without faith and still we silently let them complain about our puting a cresh on the lawn during Christmas. People we are being punished and it is going to get worse until we get down on our knees and repent for all this sinfulness. I am at the point where my feelings about all these people that don’t like our Constitution and don’t like our faith in government and in public, well just move to another country where they believe like you do. I’m sure Russia would welcome you with open arms and for all thse who want Sahria law, go back to where you came from but we already have our laws established a very long time ago. So if you can’t live by them then go back to where you can live by the laws you want to, but that isn’t here in the US !

        • Old Henry

          Actually m, the moral decay really took hold with the communist LBJ and his Really Great Society. The liberals have been working for decades – about 15 – to destroy the family unit in general, and the black family in particular. And they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.

          The liberals we have placed in charge for decades have completely crorrupted our courts from bottom to top with communist-minded individuals who have worked in tandem with the politicians to destroy the moral fiber of our nation.

          The liberals and unions have also destroyed our educational system from bottom to top over the last 50 years, much like a cancer.

          • clarence swinney

            -CLINTON PRAISE-WITH PLEASURE
            GDP–rose from 6300 to 11,600
            NATIONAL INCOME-5,000 to 8,000 Billion–took 20 years to grow 2500B before Clinton
            JOBS CREATED–over 22 million–record by far—record 237,000 net new jobs per month. Bush followed with 31,000 lowest since Hoover.
            AVERAGE WEEKLY EARNINGS–$360 to $478
            AVERAGE WEEKLY HOURS WORKED–never hit 35.0–hit that  mark 4 times in 80′s
            UNEMPLOYMENT–from 7.2% down down down to 3.9%
            WELFARE TO WORK—11,533,710 on federal roll in 1996 and 3,880,321 in 2007.
            MINIMUM WAGE–$4.25 to $5.15
            MINORITIES–did exceedingly well-His increase in Earned Income Tx Credit lifted millions of low income adults and families out of poverty annually.
            Clinton philosophy“If you work hard, play by the rules, you ought to be able to live a decent life”.Thanks Jesus.
            HOME OWNERSHIP–hit all time high
            DEFICIT–290 Billion to whoopee a SURPLUS
            DEBT—-+30%—300% increase over prior 12 years
            FEDERAL SPENDING–+28%—80% under Reagan- who da true conservative?
            DOW JONES AVERAGE–3,500 to 11,800  all it’s history to get to 3500 and Clinton zooms it
            NASDAQ–700 to 5,000—all of it’s history to get to 700 and Clinton zooms it
            VALUES INDEXES– almost all bad went down–good went up in zoom zoom zoom
            FOREIGN AFFAIRS–Peace on Earth good will toward each other—Mark of a true Christian–what has Bush done to Peace on Earth?
            POPULARITY—highest poll ratings  in history during peacetime in  AFRICA, ASIA AND EUROPE even 98.5% in Moscow–left office with highest gallup rating since it was started in 1920′s.
            STAND UP FOR JUSTICE–evil conservatives spent $110,000,000 on hearings and investigations and caught— ONE— very evil man who took a few plane rides to events.
            BOW YOUR HEADS–Thank you God for sending us a man of Bill Clinton’s character, intelligence, knowledge of governance, ability to face up to crises without whimpering and a great leader of the world.
            THANK YOU GOD FOR THE GOOD TIMES THE CLINTON YEARS.

          • Old Henry

            clarence:

            Using the word Clinton anywhere close to the word character is one of the most rediculous things I have ever seen.

            That boy is a moral reprobate and a traitor.

        • Vigilant

          m walsh says, “Aside from a religious viewpoint all the republicans & teapartiers hiding behind their fake bibles failing to note that the bible & other worldwide religions, state that you have a responsibility to aid the less fortunate in society not beat them up.”

          And, as a typically public “educated” fool, you fail to see that it was CAPITALISM that made this country great, that gave it the large middle class of prospering folks, NOT socialism.

          The less fortunate are aided by society to a much greater extent under Capitalism, and the size of the “less fortunate” class is always much smaller under Capitalism than it ever is under socialism. If you had any knowledge of history beyond your nose, you’d understand that it has been the bankrupt policies of the socialist left, along with crony capitalism, that are shrinking the middle class.

          And please cease and desist with the Bush-bashing. It’s a weak and shopworn argument that attempts to divert attention away from the lamentable facts that Obama & Co.’s socialistic failures to create jobs, his increasing of debt and deficit spending to the breaking point, his crass disregard for the taxpayer and his unabashedly political bent are leading this nation to ruin.

          I have no doubt that you and the rest of your sadly misinformed, programmed leftist minions will vote for Obama, and in doing so will help sign the death warrant for America.

        • Bill

          M Walsh
          Why be so naive. We are our brothers keeper only if we want to. To force or threaten one to be a keeper of someone else is to say that someone has a greater right to life than someone else and therefore the fruits of ones life should be divided up with others because someone has the power to say so. The Bush tax cuts were entirely wrong. The ENTIRE taxes that were forced out of the people should have been back to the people who earned, all of it. The government that extracts possessions/property from others (including money)is the same as the robber on the street. We have the right to defend our self against the robber on the street and if that robber is the government we also have a right to defend our self and our family and our possessions against such forces. One is the politics of Liberty and Freedom the other is the politics of Force and Slavery. Simple isn’t it?

          • Matt Newell

            Having read your statement again, I can only say you have a screw loose or you are a Liberal (Progressive) who believes Obama is the chosen one.

        • Matt Newell

          Tax breaks are passed by Congress. All the President can do is sign or veto the legislation. The Bush tax cuts were GOOD for the country. I think we goofed getting into the various wars in the near east, but all I see is Obama making a bad thing worse.

      • Alex

        God is no respecter of countries—-God loves people and surely hates this potentially beautiful Earth being sectioned off by money or by force.
        If God truly did love one country over others, it would certainly NOT be the wretched White Estates of Amerikkka, the only nation to have ever dropped atomic bombs on sleeping babies, a nation founded on theft and genocide.

        Saying “God bless America”, rather than “God bless this Earth and its peoples”, is like saying, “God bless John Wayne Gacy.”

        • granny mae

          Alex,
          Do you really know what God loves and what he hates ? How carefully have you read your Bible? If you think that God is always going to love you or me or anyone for that matter , that does not live by his instructions and keep his orders for us then you are dead wrong ! What makes you think that people can claim to love God and go to church and spend an hour or two worshiping him and thwen go home and break every conmandment in the book? A few days later you go back to church and tell God you are sorry , and ask for his forgivness and then go home and do it all over again. And this pattern of living goes on all year; year after year but still you think you are in good shape because afterall you said you were sorry and asked for forgivness every time ! Trouble is you never took him seriously enough to change your life enough to stop sinning. When we all do that and we do it as a nation, you can bet your bottom dollar we will pay the price, especially if we don’t get straight and really change. This country will not change untill every one of us changes himself first. I believe that all the things that have been happening to this country this ast year are meant for a wake-up call and if we don’t wake up it is going to get worse ! God is going to punish us and it doesn’t matter if you don’t believe in God or not you , who ever you are, will suffer right along with the rest of us, and don’t expect the end to come soon because that would not be a punishment. We are going to suffer for what we have done to our Lord until we make it right and if we don’t make it right this is going to go on for generations, so get use to it. As ye sow , so shall ye reap !

      • granny mae

        Richard,

        Have you read the Harbinger? That book is quite an eye opener ! Makes one want to get down on our knees and do a lot of praying. Check it out !

    • Tom W.

      Is dealing with China really what Canada wants to do? I mean even if the Obama administration turns it’s nose up at our northern neighbors, do they really want to deal with China? It seems like they might be a little smarter than that. I mean doesn’t China pose a threat to them also, along with every other freedom loving country on this planet?! So now Potus has killed the deal. I guess it won’t be long before we find out! Folks, it is time to pray! I fear that before this year is over we could be involved in a WORLDWIDE conflict!!! You mean you don’t hear the rattling of the sabres?!

      • granny mae

        Tom W.
        Yes I hear the ratteling and yes Canada will deal with China. This isn’t a little deal among business owners. Where one can choose to deal or not to deal. This is a Country doing what it feels it has to do for the good of it’s people. They will sell that oil to whom ever will buy it. The sale is good for their country. Us on the other hand have trusted Obama to make deals for the good of our country and he hasn’t made ONE yet ! He is out to destroy this country and the closer he gets to the possibility of only one term the faster things are going to go down ! Obama spent 20 years , acording to his own words, sitting in Wrights church, having it drummed into his head that they were suppose to damn America ! Guess what ? That is exactly what he is doing, and anyone that can’t see that is deaf, dumb and blind !

    • http://UnreachedDialects.com Rev. Alvin Cordes

      VEERRYY INTERESTING!!!! China can interfere in our politics, while we cannot rebuke them for their treatment of Christians and minorities or any one that disagrees with them.

      Please let us know when they want to give Obama amnesty. They can have him. He might fit in better with their plans for their nation.

      • granny mae

        When Clinton decided to get in bed with the chinese, that was the beginning of the end . The whole China deal has gotten worse from that time on with every other president and this one has put this country on a big crane and lifted her up and placed her slap dab in the middle of China’s financial hands ! All of this hasn’t been for the betterment of the U.S. If it was we would be getting out of our problems not farther in debt. Obama has not worked to solve any of our problems he has simply handed our money out to anyone and everyone that has their hand out. He hasn’t created jobs he has eliminated jobs and every opportunity for creating more jobs. When he eliminated jobs he did it by the thousands at a time. If you were president don’t you think you would look at all the places in the country that employed thousands of people and try your best to keep from closing those jobs? Don’t you think you would look closley at companies that were starting up and before you handed over millions of dollars to them you would make sure that money was safe garded since it was money from tax payers who not only worked hard to get that money but many of which were loosing their jobs and could have used that money rather than give it to a company going bankrupt ? I’m wondering where all that money went? Who’s pocket did it go in or should I say who’s off shor bank account ? Is this a man that is looking out for this country and our benefit ? He spends money on himself and his wife does too to go vacationing all over the world and it is all on our ban account not his. Is this the right thing to do when you are the president of a country who’s people are suffering the way a lot of our people are? I would think nothing of it if he was using his own money but that is not the case ! He has claimed to be a christian but I have never heard him talk or act like a christian. Not like any christian I have ever known. I do not believe anything Obama says. He uses race to BS unknowing minorities and he will turn on his smile because he knows it is infectous to many people and he needs to lure them in, like the spider to the fly !When it comes to this man I say be afraid, be very afraid if he gets in for one more term. His policies are dangerous for this country. By the way, speaking of him being a christian did you ever know of a christian putting Mao decorations on a christmas tree ? But you just might find that kind of thing coming from a socialist non-believer !

    • Alex Frazier

      I’m not talking about a sale in principle. China can “own” all of America it wants on paper. They don’t own anything until they come and claim it.

      When I say that if the government starts selling off parts of America, I do indeed mean selling it off. When I see Americans removed from parts of America to allow for Chinese or other foreign occupation, the game is up.

    • David

      FYI – Obama and the state dept. can’t approve the pipeline until the state of Nebraska chooses the new route, and does the environmental study that they voted for.

      The new law.

      http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=49&articleid=20111123_49_E3_UISNrk383269&rss_lnk=5

      The Fox News interview which explains it.

      http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/your-world-cavuto/2012/01/19/whos-blame-keystone-pipeline-delay?page=2#ixzz1kV58JAc1

  • Mushin

    The huge oil field in Alaska was sold to….BP. We, the American people no longer own or have a right to what would have been cheap oil!

    Barry, Barry he’s our man! Yaaaaayyyyyyy, Barrry!

    • Flashy

      Alaska oil has been exported since…reagan. you remember Ronnie, your hero who you say was a savior, but in reality sold us down the river…

      • DaveH

        Ronald Reagan was a strong advocate for limited Government, but after starting out with a bang he quickly fizzled (in about a year) because his own Republican party members (notably Bob Dole) were hanging all over him crying that he had to Compromise. I think you all know what that means. The Liberals in Congress (that includes many, if not most, of the Republicans) put up a Giant Spending Bill, then they “compromise” at some lower (still big) spending increase.
        But when the True Conservatives suggest a Spending Cut, the word “compromise” is nowhere to be seen. Then the manipulative tactic shifts to calling the Cutters — the Party of NO. And the blindered sheeple buy it.

        • Capitalist at Birth

          That is why I voted for Roger McBride in 1984.

        • Flashy

          LOL…Dave, you really need to do research before making claims of fiction. I happened to live in DC during the first four years of the Reagan Admin. his so-called “downsizing” of government? Was a farce. He slashed the agencies protecting the consumers and middle calss, but buiilt up the ones benefitting the wealthy, Big Corporations, and the military industrial complex.

          It was an open joke. One day they would announce with huge fanfare somethig like slashing thousands of jobs at the EPA, and in fine print a qweek later add more than that number at Defense. Fed employees were laughing about filling out the job transfer papers. Laughing.

          Reagan slashed taxes, and our deficits skyrocketed. Exactly what was predicted. before reagan, two income families was an option…after he got through raping us and beginnng the War on the Middle Class…two income families were no longer an option but required to make ends meet.

          Since reagan, the incomes of the wealthy and elite have risen more than any other period. The incomes of the middle class has flatlined.

          Overall taxes for the wealthy and corporations plummeted, those of the middle class went up. I believe he had nione tax increases…all hitting the middle class more than any other income segment. Three recessions. Over 200 marines killed in Lebanon. treasonuis acts dealing with Iran (remember..this was immediately after the hostage crisis…and he was dealing with them.) Funding the butcherous Contras against federal law. And taking credit for something he never was involved in…bringing down the USSR (that was accomplished ecause of the policies of previous administrations as well as Gorbechev’s actions).

          The only thing reagan did was succeed in convincing the ignorant that he did something for them.

          Jeesh …. did Mizes tell you to spew the lies you just wrote?

          go ahead..explain how any budget cause that income disparity.

          • Alex

            Flashy, you are correct and intelligent, and like all other intelligent and progressive people in this forum, you are screaming into the wind….

          • DaveH

            You’re not too bright, are you Flashman? If you re-read my comment, you would see that I said Reagan wasn’t able to implement his ideas due to his own Progressive Republican party members. Unlike Obama, Reagan wasn’t willing to break the law and ignore Congress.

          • DaveH

            And Alex, of course you’d agree with a fellow Liberal, but the fact is that Flashman’s comment was filled with the usual conjecture. Any ignorant Liberal can spew conjecture.

          • DaveH

            You Liberals can jawbone all you want with your conjecture and outright fabrication, but the proof is in the pudding:
            In 1950, Government spent 24% of GDP. And things were certainly no worse then than now.
            Now Government spends 44% of GDP, and where are we? In a deep recession.
            Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution.

          • DaveH

            Flashman says “He slashed the agencies protecting the consumers and middle calss, but buiilt up the ones benefitting the wealthy, Big Corporations, and the military industrial complex”.
            Which agencies did he slash, Flashman, and by how much. Please post some references with reliable figures.
            And ditto for most of your claims, Flashman. You surely don’t think we would just take your word for it?
            And if you’re LOL, it could only be because you know how ridiculous your statements are, especially considering that I talk often about the Crony Capitalism that infests Government — both Parties.
            And I can post references for my claims, can you?

          • granny mae

            Flashy,
            The hostages in Iran were all Jimmy Carters doings. They were released the day of Reagans inogeration . That was Carters baby along with the botched rescue attempt !

          • DaveH

            Flashman says [during Reagan's terms] “Three recessions. Over 200 marines killed in Lebanon. treasonuis acts dealing with Iran”.
            You lie, Flashman, as usual.
            There was ONE recession during Reagan’s terms and that was shortly after he took office (July 1981-1982), and what could we expect after the mess Jimmy Carter left?
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States#Great_Depression_onwards
            And the bombings in Beirut were somehow Reagan’s fault?
            And what were those treasonous acts in Iran, Flashman? Please enlighten us and supply references since I have once again proved that your words are not credible.

          • DaveH

            Note, folks, that the above is hardly an exhaustive list of Flashman’s equivocations and outright lies. I can rarely read through the entirety of his dishonest BS , so I only pick and choose a couple of paragraphs or less.

    • Deerinwater

      So the Federal government should have stopped this alleged BP buy on what grounds?

      What would be your personal choice of ownership and what difference might it make?

      If I’m not mistaking, it not a buy, but a lease to engage in the activities of extraction with restrictions, limitations and liabilities associated.

      I feel comfortable in saying venture capitalism are the motives behind this exchange and normally we promote such activity.

      • Aurelio

        The Marxists are the only ones who equate ownership with prosperity, and that theory was proven wrong with the short-lived communist experiment.
        Ownership of production means, means nothing to you or to me; production does, abundance does, competition drives the prices down, that is what you should care about. The cuban people have been starving since the day Fidel Castro confiscated everything. So what’s the issue with BP, if not BP it will be somebody else and you will be in the same place anyway.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Rephrase your first sentence. Please.

    • borderlinedevill

      LMAO

  • Insurgent

    What a sorry excuse for a human being !!!

    • skyraider 6

      Roger that

  • Deerinwater

    Well John, Like you say, They are not stupid, have access to data and know the line up like everyone else.

    You are not suggest that we apply something less there sound thinking with our selection jest to be contrary?

    Are you making an appeal to lesser minds?

    That might fly well in South Carolina but such thinking is not entertained by more of the nation.

    • Alex Frazier

      Be careful who you peg as a “lesser mind” here in South Carolina. At least I can spell and form a complete sentence. I resent your remark.

      • libertytrain

        Alex, it is always interesting to see the absolute bigotry come out in posts from people who don’t even realize what idiotic statement/insult they wrote down for all to see. I’m at a loss as to why they think that’s ok and claim “racist” on posts no different then their own ignorant bigotry.

        • Ted Crawford

          It’s simply a factor of one of the Worlds Ultimate Oxymorons Liberty, “Progressive Logic”!

          • DaveH

            One bit of Progressive logic is to Empire build around the world. A logic you buy into, Ted:
            Learn more:
            http://mises.org/books/originsoffed_rothbard.pdf

          • Alex

            ‘Progressive’ and ‘Logic’ as oxymoron?!? So, it is NOT logical that women should have the right to vote? It is NOT logical that the Earth spins around the sun? It is NOT logical to keep companies from pouring toxic waste into our rivers? It is NOT logical that workers have a minimum wage or an eight hour work day?

            You Fright Wingers are such a hoot!

          • DaveH

            I think you just proved Ted’s assertion, Alex.
            Of course women should have the right to vote. But where do you get the idea that it was a Progressive cause? Do you have any references for that claim, Alex? Here’s some reality about the suffrage movement:
            http://mises.org/daily/2543

            What makes you think the Earth’s spin has anything to do with Progressivism, Alex?
            And why do you think Conservatives would object to keeping companies from pouring toxic waste into our rivers? Don’t confuse Regulatory Bodies with Legislation.
            And NO, it is not logical to have a minimum wage, Alex. Employers understandably hire people who they think will pay for themselves. If a worker produces $5/hr worth of product, and the company has to pay him $6/hr, why on earth do you think they’d want to keep that person? Would you invest your money to lose it? So the result is that people who would have been willing to work for $5/hr can’t find those jobs that have gone wanting as a result of the Government’s meddling. But then, you Liberals don’t really care about them, do you?

          • DaveH

            Read this article and wake up, Alex. Or, is it just that you enjoy being an ignoramus?
            http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa106.html

          • Alex Frazier

            Alex, it is not logical to allow anyone to vote who does not have an intelligent opinion based in fact. During the Iowa Caucus, for example, a woman was interviewed after the vote. She voted for Santorum. Why? Because, she said, “he seemed like a likeable guy.” Not because he was going to do something smart. Not because he had good foreign policy. Not because he represented certain principles she felt were good for the community at large. She voted for him because he made her feel good. And I don’t think that’s the right sort of criteria a person should be using when making a decision that will have a direct impact on me, my family, my community, and my future.

            It’s also worth mentioning that the only reason people clamor for the right to vote is so they can recompense their grievances on opposing forces. Universal suffrage is a sham. It is rife with moral hazard. No one would even care about voting if the government gave us all justice and freedom. People vote to make a difference in a system gone bad. People vote because they are oppressed and need relief. People vote to get back at those who oppressed them. This is basic human nature.

            Companies can be kept from pouring toxic waste into the rivers without the EPA. And like anything else learned from experience, the free market would shun any company that tried to do such a thing in our current political climate. Lift every regulation tommorrow and I bet you there wouldn’t be one drop of mercury thrown into the water supply. That is a tired argument. It’s like saying that people who want the Department of Education abolished promote the idea that our children should be illiterate. It’s always extremes with you people.

            And minimum wage, by the way, creates unemployment. I don’t expect you to understand how or why because you clearly haven’t studied economics, and the topic is too lengthy to fully discuss here. Nevertheless, minimum wage creates unemployment. Feel free to read Rothbard, Hazlitt, Friedman, and a number of others. They all say the same thing, and they give indisputable examples of it.

      • JTB

        That’s right Alex me too.

      • home boy

        hey alex ,i’m still trying to figure out who’s worse the govt or the good old boys club here in south carolina. did you know that sc is second to miss in people making less than the poverty level. you must be proud of that fact.

        • Karolyn

          Better watch out, home boy, every time I say something about the “good ole boy” network here in SC, I get attacked! But maybe that’s only because I’m originally a Yankee. I guess that makes me unable to really see what goes on here.

        • Karolyn

          Actually, the gov’t is the good ole boys network.

      • Deerinwater

        I do not hold you personally accountable for Bell Curve results of your state Alex Frazier anymore then you should hold me liable for a history of transgressions or national off color outburst from Texas.

        But after years of activities, of actions and reactions making the national scene, a clear picture develops over time. South Carolina comes across as a knee jerk state, extremely quick to offend and the first to protest and carries a long history of such behavior.

        In the spirit of these forum, I will not permit “political correctness” to prevent me from calling a duck , a duck.

        and yes! ~ you write quit well, I know your mother is proud.

        Would you like for me to back up and bring forward this long history of South Carolina behavior? We could have a nice “off topic” slug fest. We do that here a lot.

        But John Myers summary statement is what we should be defending or attacking.

        “The bottom line is that a vote for Obama is a vote for China. He will continue his policies of the past three years, making Beijing very happy. China’s leaders are well-educated in history and have undoubtedly have read what Napoleon Bonaparte said: “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”

        I’m saying, this statement is void sold logic in making a presidential choice and would play best and be best received in a state such as South Carolina.

        China’s happiness or lacking of, is not an issue of great concern or national importance. Since we owe them money and reflect a overly disproportional amount to their exports China needs to be more concerned with America’s “happiness” and well being.

        • libertytrain

          Gee I wonder if Jessie Jackson will get on here and start reminding folks he was born in Greenville and doesn’t take kindly to folks harassing his State because of their own arrogance. Goodness deer bob – what are you trying to prove by insulting one State and it’s people – your ego is showing and I’m not talking pc – I’m not pc myself but know that lumping all shows a certain amount of ignorant arrogance.

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, somewhere I missed the switch that deer is bob wire but I think it is now obvious after seeing multiple comments over the last week or so. Correct me if I’m wrong…and yes, his ego far surpasses his intellect.

          • libertytrain

            Jeff bob wire announced the change I think around New Year’s Day or so – around when his dad died. I’m not sure why but I have no problem with it.

          • JeffH

            …was just curious as I kept seeing responses to deer bob…reads the same either way,,, :)

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, I usually ‘skip past his comments” is why I most probably missed his announcement.

        • Deerinwater

          Hmm? ☺
          The most notable forbearer to Joe “you lie “Wilson and his behavior on September 9 was Preston Brooks, another South Carolinian representative. Rep. Brooks beat Senator Charles Sumner of Massachusetts nearly to death with a heavy cane in the Senate Chamber in 1856 because of an anti-slavery speech Sumner had made two days previously. A South Carolinian colleague, Rep. Laurence M. Keitt, dissuaded Brooks from dueling Sumner, encouraging Books to treat Sumner as a drunkard, due to the supposedly coarse language Sumner had used in his anti-slavery speech. Sumner had compared the institution of slavery to a harlot, and said of Brooks’ uncle, a Senator and a supporter of slavery, that he “took a mistress who, though ugly to others, is always lovely to him; though polluted in the sight of the world, is chaste in his sight – I mean the harlot, Slavery.”
          Two days later, Brooks accosted Sumner on the floor of the Senate, beat his head repeatedly with the thick, gold-tipped cane. Sumner, who was trapped under a heavy desk that was bolted to the floor could not escape and was left bloodied and almost dead. It took three years for Sumner to recuperate and return to his Senate duties, and he never fully recovered from the beating.
          After the beating, South Carolinian constituents sent Representative Brooks many brand new canes, one of them bearing the phrase “Hit him again.” Brooks claimed that people wanted pieces of the cane as “holy relics”.
          Dinner celebrations in honor of Preston Brooks’ attack on Charles Sumner were held all over the South, a mid-nineteenth century version of the media attention now being attracted by Rep. Joe Wilson.
          Taking into consideration South Carolina’s history and their recent standing ovation to Newt Gingrich for suggesting we should fire school janitor’s and replace them with poor school children to teach them strong work ethic and the value of a dollars suggest to me that South Carolina hasn’t changed a bit!
          Federal money in South Carolina
          Joint Base Charleston South Carolina is one of the 12 new bases on the US territory, which showed up after the 2005 congressional legislation implying the base consolidation by merging multiple bases. 24 small bases had to merge one with another, resulting in 12 new and powerful bases. This one is the result of the October, 2010 merge between the Charleston Air Force Base and the Naval Support Activity Charleston. The place is now operated by the US Air Force. The place currently hosts over 20000 individuals, counting active troops, reserve soldiers and civilians.
          Shaw AFB is currently one of the largest military bases in the United States of America. It is operated by the Air Force – more precisely, by the Air Combat Command.
          As World War II reached to an end, Shaw AFB was turned into a permanent military base. Over the Cold War, it saw a lot of units joining and leaving it, as the objectives were constantly changing, not to mention about the operational forces. Over the last years, Shaw AFB is responsible for supporting the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions. After the 9/11 attacks, it dealt with the defense of the USA, while the Iraq invasion was actively supported by the units hosted on site.
          Units
          Shaw AFB is currently hosting the 20-th Fighter Wing, responsible for operating the F 16CJ aircrafts. It includes four squadrons – the 55-th, 77-th and 79-th Fighter squadrons, as well as the 20-th Operations Support Squadron. Aside from the operations group, the unit also consists of the maintenance, medical and mission support groups.
          Fort Jackson South Carolina is a general training camp located in Columbia, South Carolina. It is run by the US Army and is among the most important bases spread throughout the country. Its name comes after the 7-th president of the United States of America – Andrew Jackson, who also led some of the armies. Although it may not be seen as a very popular base, Fort Jackson deals with more than 60% of the women joining the army. At the same time, it controls over 50% of the BCT (Basic Combat Training) load of the army. With these percentages, the fort can brag about 36000 regular soldiers going out every year, not to mention about the 8000 professional troops. Other than that, it is a huge post, covering 52000 acres. It has over 100 training ranges, as well as about 1160 buildings. Besides, it hosts 3500 active troops and 12000 civilians as their families. However, only 33% of these people live inside the fort. The others had to find off site housing opportunities. With all these numbers, why is this fort considered to be less important that others? Well, mostly because it doesn’t support multiple objectives and its equipments are not among the most advanced ones in the world. But, with so many troops ready to fight every year, it is definitely one of the most ferocious US military bases
          Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort is an installation located in Beaufort, South Carolina. The installation was originally established as a training facility for anti-submarine patrols during the Second World War. It was reestablished as Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort on March 1, 1960. Merritt Field, located within the air station, is named after Major General Lewie G. Meritt, a Marine Corps aviation pioneer.
          The air station is host to the operations and management of all active duty F/A-18s on the East Coast which are assigned to Marine Air Group 31. It has the primary mission of ensuring continuing operations of the Air Group as well as its support units.
          The base has a total population of almost 4,000 active-duty personnel, and 700 civilian employees

          Marine Corps Recruit Depot Parris Island is located in Port Royal, South Carolina. The base is tasked with providing the first level initial training for all newly recruited marines often numbering 19,000 per year. This number includes male recruits that reside east of the Mississippi river and all female recruits from all states. Its sister installation, Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego, is in charge of training all other male recruits living west of the Mississippi river.

          The base is currently under the command of Brigadier General Fredrick M. Padilla and is home to a multitude of tenant units including: Recruit Training Regiment, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Recruit Training Battalion, Support Battalion, Headquarters and Service Battalion, Weapons and Field Training Battalion, and the 6th Marine Corps District.
          United States Naval Hospital Beaufort is a Navy hospital that manages two branch clinics at Marine Corps Recruit Depot, Parris Island and at Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort, including the main hospital itself which is located in Port Royal, South Carolina. The hospital also services the Laurel Bay housing area. The hospital was commissioned on April 29, 1949.
          Unlike most hospitals that are tenants of a larger base, Naval Hospital Beaufort is one of the few military hospitals that is situated within its own complex. It is tasked with providing medical care, surgical procedures, and emergency services to all personnel of the Navy and the Marine Corps. They also service family members of Navy and Marine Corps personnel living in the Beaufort area which numbers 35,000 people.
          History of the Naval Health Clinic Charleston is located in North Charleston, South Carolina, right next to the Navy Yard. It was established on July 31, 1917 after the necessity of a Naval Hospital near the Charleston Navy Yard was realized. It was built with 19 wooden buildings and had a capacity of 250. It had one story buildings that housed the administration building, the ward buildings, the galley, the mess, the power house, and the recreational hall.
          Naval Weapons Station Charleston is a military installation that covers both Goose Creek City, Hanahan, and North Charleston City, South Carolina. The installation covers 17,000 acres of land and 10,000 acres of forest and wetlands. Naval Weapons Station Charleston was originally established as the United States Naval Ammunition Depot during World War II to serve as an ammunition collection and distribution point in coordination with the nearby Charleston Naval Shipyard.
          To consider all of this Federal money being pumped into one small state of the union, I would expect a little consideration to the rest of these United states. But what we see is shear arrogance on the part of the State of South Carolina much like Wall Street banksters, they seem too big to be corrected, too big to be found wrong. Quick to take any offense personal and will attempt to shout you down.
          I do not blink with my assessment of South Carolina.
          A spoiled state that ranks in the 10 best states to retire in with no taxes paid on Social security benefits and the largest collecting of federal reties in these United States.
          A State of elite entitlement that this political forum attacks the very notion of one minute, while refers to me as being “prejudges “ and “bias’ for just bring forward these gross inequities that South Carolina enjoys TODAY and YESTERDAY while much of the rest of these here United States depends on the PRIVATE SECTOR and venture capitalism to put a meal on the table and send their children to school.
          Are you to allow such people to shout you down? I say HELL NO.

          • libertytrain

            Goodness gracious…you sure know how to dislike a place….can you do Detroit now (or do you just have rancor for States, not cities?) – been there and don’t want to go back anymore…. Though there are perfectly lovely places in Michigan, people as well…. You find good and bad in all the 50 States or was that 57 States – I can’t remember anymore with the changes in the number of States these last couple years. I do wish someone would list what the other 7 States are. I lost track after Alaska and Hawaii got admitted….

          • Deerinwater

            Please libertytrain , don’t confuse vexed annoyance with dislike or hate. Everyone that I’ve ever personally met from South Caroline, I truly enjoy. I mean that. Karolyn is a perfect example.

            When You get this much concentration of Federal money flowing into one small place, a jaded view of current affair and the world is unavoidable. They become the center of the Universe and very cocky.

            Have you noticed the difference between a Federal dollar and a Private sector dollar? I would not think I would have to “go there” with this forum crowd.

            I embrace all of these United States but I fail to see how my nation is best served by a over-feed noise few that are so quick to “TAKE OFFENCE” to be allow to rule the day.

            South Carolina is a Federal vendor state and serves all of us. It’s not an exclusive that we must serve them. All These Federal contracts can go other “states”. If push comes to shove, South Carolina can get back to assembling German automobiles, export cardboard,growing fruit orchards and raising hogs.

        • Alex Frazier

          Deerinwater, I don’t hold you responsible for anything that happened in Texas. I hold you responsible for your own remarks. Stupidity is a universal condition. It doesn’t just exist in South Carolina. To lump all South Carolinians together in suggesting that in South Carolina, unlike “more of the nation,” using “less than sound thinking with our selection just to be contrary” might “fly well in South Carolina” because it might “appeal to lesser minds” is insulting.

          This has nothing to do with an 1800s incident over slavery. This has nothing to do with political activism. Nor does it have anything to do with political correctness. You’re not calling a duck a duck. You’re calling people from South Carolina arbitrary and simple-minded. It’s offensive. I’m not stupid, arbitrary, or simple-minded. So don’t defend yourself. Just apologize and practice some manners.

          • libertytrain

            Well Said Mr. Frazier —

          • Deerinwater

            ALEX, South Carolina is a Federal tit baby and I’ve identified just some of the many reasons why I say such a thing.

            South Carolina is much like Mitt Rumney , born on third base and thinking that he hit a tipple, having not been engaged in “true” free enterprise and “free” market systems in many,many,many decades.

            I have history to defend me and my assertions while you are left to blow hot air and attempt to make this debate personal.

            It is not personal, it political Sir. and and I’m calling the GOP membership of your state out for being blind to how good they have enjoyed Reagan and W. Bush spending preferences. but it has became a one ,two punch, heart and stomach. One more to the head and America would be down for the count with this disproportional, unfunded military spending.

            You are a South Carolinian, and history tells us that it is so very easy to offend your little bitty feelings. How would you like to be an Arizonian with the second largest employer in your state being Walmart? While the largest employer being “Government” it’s self? How would you enjoy wear those shoes a while? Living next to a national boundary line full of hungry people no less, where people gladly work for 20 dollars a day and consider it great wadges and proud to get it.

            Let’s face it, South Carolina is a unsung paradise for Federal employees and a byproduct of a government that has spent 20 times more then any one nation on earth on military interest and concerns for decades.

            Shall I continue, or do you wish to response to what I’ve offered thus far?

            Now , try to understand EVERYONE that I’m not suggesting this wealth transfer is BAD or that South Carolina is “undeserving” in such matters, for I’m not! South Carolina served the nation when asked. I am ex infantryman , ex lawman and a practicing venture capitalist and understand how and where we came from and what it cost, what dear price was paid.

            Today our focus is tomorrow and the many challenges that lies a head and how we plan to get there.

            I’m suggesting this disproportionate wealth has created a calloused indifference and a serious disconnect between SC and the rest of the nation and South Carolina no longer reflects the views indicative of the rest of the nation today.

            I find this callous disregard, usury, unflattering arrogance and refuse to tolerate it or accept it without strong protest.

            You Sir, are the tail end of a military complex, prepare yourself for some serious future down sizing.

            Feel free to blame me for your many future hardships if you must blame a demon. I promise not to disappoint.

            It’s not so bad, you’ll get use to it. But do not expect a sympathetic ear to all your human drama as you offer none today, as the rest for the nation has all ready lived through it. ~ with mixed results.

          • Alex Frazier

            You didn’t say any of that in the original post I objected to. You called South Carolinians arbitrary and simple-minded. I don’t get a rat’s a$$ what spending the Federal government has done here. I’m not offended by your objection to that. Nor did I have anything to do with any of it, no more so than you have anything to do with Arizona being primarily employed by Walmart and Uncle Sam.

            You criticized the mental faculties of the people of my state, which includes me. You are mistaken and out of line. Stop defending your ugliness and just apologize. You will not be able to explain it away.

          • libertytrain

            That he did Mr. Frazier and that is what I find outlandish and ridiculous as well -

          • simian pete

            Deerinwater,

            You sure know alot of facts ! You definitely have a high IQ, I’m not being sarcastic !! Though South Carolina receives mucho dinero from the Federal Government, the South Carolinians are helping the US national defense. That’s good.

            To bad about Arizona. I wonder what they did to get the Federal government so mad ! The Federal government hasn’t adequately fulfilled the obligation of protecting Arizona’s border with Mexico. Probably because all these wars we are having overseas, not enough resources. Plus they don’t want to piss off the Mexican government to much.

  • Noink

    I will never vote for Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry or Mitt Romney for president of my
    United States of America.

    God Bless,

    Mike
    A Christian Since My Baptism in 1949
    A Man Married to the Same Woman for 38 Years
    A United States Citizen from Birth
    A Veteran of the USMC
    A United States Taxpayer for 46 Years
    A Father Since 1979 and a Grandfather Since 2007
    A Conservative Who Believes in the Original Constitution of the United States of America

    P.S. I will NEVER vote for Barrack Obama!

    • Insurgent

      Who will you vote for since we are voting for the lesser evil?

      • Jtrevizo

        I think it’s obvious who he’s voting for. The only candidate who knows, believes in, and adheres to the constitution. I believe Mitt Romney called him, “Mr. Constitution” mockingly in a debate once.

      • DaveH

        Maybe you are, Insurgent, but I’m voting for goodness. I’m voting for Ron Paul.
        http://www.ronpaul2012.com/

        • Capitalist at Birth

          If Ron Paul is not on the ballot, you are indirectly voting for Obama. Once again I find it necessary to remind you that Ron Paul has no chance of getting elected President of the United States of America, in this or any other life. You and the rest of your Pulista friends are living in a dream world.

          • DaveH

            First there’s this:
            http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/01/16/ron-paul-tied-with-obama-and-in-two-man-race-with-romney/

            Secondly, whether Obama or some Progressive Republican wins, we are still doomed to an ever-increasing Big Government. So what’s your point, CC?

          • Bill

            Everyone besides Ron Paul, so far, is talking like Obama so it probably won’t make that much difference. When people hear statements like yours they might be thinking that you want to have obama stay there. don’t feel bad though, there are millions of you out there that do not understand the politics of Liberty and Freedom.

          • Hugh G Rection

            After the election in December when yhe world is celebrating Ron Paul’s win feel free to choke on the crow you will be eating, Capped at birth

    • FreedomFighter

      Government Takeover of Society

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9rFK27ve1c&feature=uploademail

      Work locally to remove the thieves, deomcrat and rhino, this battle is American vs EvilSh$#s.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • Deerinwater

      Amazing the way it works Noink, to not vote, is a vote in & of it’s self.

      • vic

        He didn’t say he wasn’t voting, just that the candidates all suck , with the exception of the one candidate that has ALWAYS stood by the Constitution. Dr. Ron Paul in 2012!!!

    • Aurelio

      Are we twins?

    • simian pete

      If Romney winds I’ll vote for him. It just would be alot more exciting if Ron Paul won….

      I’ve been a wastrel since 1981 …….

  • Flashy

    oh yeah…the best policy is to tie ourselves to further adiction to oil so when push comes to shove, we have to get into a shooting war with the Chinese for oil. uh huh.

    The better, smarter, most intelligent option is to tell the Chinese to have fun getting those tar sands to China, and have fun dealing with the ME shiekdoms..and we get the f*** off of oil as our main source of energy.

    The tar sand oils have a duirty lil’ secret. the shipment via a pipeline is highly corrosive. not the sands 9though that also is a concern0 but the fuilds themselves. right over the major aquifier of the Central Plains. For a few thousand jobs, most which will not be created, but will be transfers.

    Anyone with a brain can see that China is headed for a major economic disruption within the next five years. those wo need to have fear and hate as the basis to push an agenda won’t discuss that obvious economic and social fact. A reverse pyramid of aged versus productive labor. Migrancy to urban areas, the internet making it very difficut to control the message, concentration of wealth, a growing middle class demanding more disposal consumer luxuries, an economy which has yet to reset in the natural up and down cycle of international and modern economics, a banking system centralized in a very few mega banks, and a wealthy elite resentful of having to cede a bit of the wealth to satisfy the population demands. Add to that the yuan is in need of floating as its on an artificial value, and the Chinese are paying big bucks trying to secure thier own growing addiciton to oil.

    Yep … real smart to insist on the US continuing its own addicition to oil. Jeesh …

    • FreedomFighter

      We in America have 300 years of coal, 500 plus years of natural gas’s, more oil underground than Saudi Arabia. Just as a National Security issue we should not import any fuel from the East.

      Why are we shutting down power plants, and not building more? Why is goverment letting business and manufacturing be sent overseas, why are we American being told to use less power? Because the Banksters can sell it for more to others and they control goverment to get it done. Just look at GE, poster child for crony capitolism.

      Get real Flash, the thieves are using the goverment to tie up OUR AMERICAN RESOURCES to sell to China for our debt, its a scheme to rob AMERICANS of our national heritage

      They are screwing you, your children and your childrens children.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Flashy

        Never said they weren’t FF. Deregulation of energy screwed us royal. Power plants are not being built becaue of environmental regulations…they are not being built because they don’t have to be. Our grids aren’t being maintained and expanded because they don’t have to be. When the bottom line is making a buck…and the industry is an oligarchy of a relatively few…then the incentive is to minimize supply and drive prices up, to not compete.

        natural gas? All for it. Cheap, sufficient, not as much pollution to have to control. Coal? go for it..as long as you can control the emissions and minimize the harm. oil? the only future in oil for the US is higher prices, higher costs, and in the end a period of severe economic turmoil and weakening of our nation.

        • DaveH

          Flashman says “the only future in oil for the US is higher prices, higher costs, and in the end a period of severe economic turmoil and weakening of our nation”.
          Then your problem is solved, Flashman. The alternative energies will then become competitive with oil and people will make the shift voluntarily, peacefully, without the Force of Ignorant Liberals.

          • Flashy

            Dave…take the speed in MPH of a herd of turtles racing through peanut butter. Take your IQ. The turles beat it.

          • DaveH

            As usual, Flashman resorts to personal attacks in lieu of facts.
            What a child.

          • Blue Devil

            Flashy — I’ve figured out your MO. Since you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bulls–t!!!!

    • Alex Frazier

      I don’t tend to agree with you Flashy, but my own rant on this is not a far cry from what you just said. I don’t agree wholly, but you made a lot of good and valid points.

    • Alan

      Flashy – you really are a tool aren’t you! Here’s one for you, I, for one, will NOT buy the broken window fallacy you espouse in your diatribe! We should have been working towards energy independence a long time ago, but instead the eco-wacos have made a political football of the issue! Wow – I would almost guess you don’t know the difference between naturally occuring U-232 isotopes and U-235? Therein lies the difference! Some of us understand the advantage of U-232 and the associated algea created by nuclear power plants and some of us don’t! We scientists have figured out what to do with human’s trash for a long time now and we will continue to figure out how to use waste for something besides building bombs and killing people! You tools just don’t get it and you tools will be the death of us ALL!

      • Flashy

        Environmentalists have nothing to do with the fact that our energy policies have been 100% towards Big Oil for the past 30 years. Other than telling you toay was coming.

        now…go to japan and ask them how Nukes have worked out for them. Ask the good people of nevada about Yucca Mountain

        “We” scientists as you call yourself, who ” …have figured out what to do with human’s trash for a long time now…’ …pleae, ttell us what you figured out besides triple lined landfills. Environmentalists have been the ones pushing recycling, disposable and bio degradable materials, and more efficient energy appliances and machines.

        But i will give this to you. Your office probably doesn’t get cold in the wintertime…all the staff have to do is ask you to speak…voila! instant hot air to circulate …

        • DaveH

          So, Flashman, what are you going to be telling us next — that you have deep compassion for your fellow humans, and your foul personal attacks are just expressions of your friendship?
          Ah, Liberals. You can’t live with them; you can’t live with them.

    • Helen2

      Flashy you seem to be as good as the government telling us to get off our dependency on oil. What kind of vehicles do you drive? How do you heat your house? I’ll bet you drive a vehicle that requires a dependency on oil. I bet it’s the same for your house too. Not that you heat the house with oil, but that you use electricity or gas to heat it. It would be nice to be wrong, but your posts don’t ever sound like you are putting your money where your mouth is. So are you all talk or do you walk the walk?

      • Karolyn

        Helen – Go to http://www.thrivemovement.com and watch the movie “Thrive” to see that there is free energy to be had by all, but the powers-that-be will not allow it. The movie might be available for free on Youtube.

        • DaveH

          Maybe, maybe not, Karolyn, but the only way to find out is to get the Coercion and Force of our Government out of the Marketplace, and let Free Markets do what they do best — Create Wealth.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          So why are you on this site and not making use of all that free energy? I forgot, “they are hindering”you.

          • Karolyn

            Nadzieja – Once again, investigate the info before posting about it.

        • Helen2

          If the government hadn’t done away with Tesla’s secrets, we would have already had free energy. What they did to that man was just flat wrong!!!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Edison was wilier and a better salesman.

          • libertytrain

            I believe it was Edison and Ford that conspired against him… what’s the saying, “Money talks”

      • Flashy

        Helen…I drive an internal cumbustion vehcle. Fuel efficient hybrid. I have looked at, and will continue to look at, electric. unfortunately, for some uses i still need a pure gas engine vehicle. (they don’t make a Jeep hybrid as yet).

        On the acreage we lease to a combine for farming (organic), we put up half the money, the combine the other where we took a page from the 30′s and are almost finished with a tractor which will run using methane and hydrogen produced using a gasifier.

        Unlike the TPers and the wacked right, Moderates and progressives actually look forward and not take this nation backwards.

        Have a nice day.

        • DaveH

          Your idea of “look forward” is to Force people to waste their money on inefficient energy technologies, Flashman?
          You just stated yourself that you currently wouldn’t buy an electric car. Yet your fellow Liberals are doing their best to force us to do just that.
          If a technology is cost-effective without added negatives, people will flock to it voluntarily. We do not need the Force of Government involved. If a technology is indeed cost-effective, then the producers of those products will prosper with their own investments. Government only comes along to aid the non-cost-effective technologies with money taken from the Tax Payers. It’s easy to waste other peoples’ money.
          The Solyndra scandal is a dramatic example of that reality.

        • DaveH

          By the way, Flashman, Toyota makes a 4-wheel drive hybrid SUV. I think there are several others.

          • Flashy

            DaveH….get a brain. I said Jeep, not an SUV. I don’t need an SUV unless i want to get stuck every five feet. What do you drive?

          • DaveH

            Flashy,
            That has to be your dumbest rebut yet.

        • Helen2

          Flashy not all conservatives are wicked. When we owned our home, we used solar for water heating and for heat. We also had a tankless hot water heater. We had several other things that we were working on too when we lost our home. We need to stop attacking each other over our politics and actually work together to get things like this accomplished.

          • Karolyn

            Amen! Not like some people here who disagree with everybody they don’t like just because and don’t even think before they post.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Who are these wicked conservatives that you are apologizing for?

        • Brad

          Hey Flashy,

          You might want to read these important FAQs about your so called gasifier, http://gekgasifier.com/faq/ seems to me that system doesn’t produce the so called methane or hydrogen you claim.

        • Brad

          Flashy, and by the way, synogas isn’t rated high enough to run your tractor but can run a small 1600cc 4 cylinder engine but then you would have to mount your gasifier in the trunk, what an eye sore.

          • Flashy

            Well Brad…i guess the one that is being put in place on the concrete pad is a fiction of imagination then eh? it produces the combustionable gases, a compressor takes the gases to a higher psi, and it’s ready for transfer to the tank. BTW…we got the idea seeing a picture from the 1940′s in a museum showing a tractor that had one built on the front end.

          • Flashy

            BTW Brad…read that information you gave the link to. it does state tractors can run on the type of gas produced.

            I think you are referring to have a unit on the tractor itself. Not what we have chosen, though it was an option.

          • Brad

            Hey Flashy,

            No it doesn’t, “The standard GEK level IV is delivered with an Imbert type downdraft reactor sized to run engines in the 5 – 40HP. The standard reduction bell and nozzle configuration will run 5-20hp engines. Changing these particulars can expand the gas rate to support up to 40hp engines, or a 20-25kw genset.

            Most people like to start with small engines– Listers, China Diesels, Briggs and Stratten, Honda V-twins, 4cyl car engines, etc. But you can easily adjust nozzle size and position, as well as change out the reduction bell to an optional larger version to support larger gas flows. We find the GEK is large enough to run common 4cylinder engines in smaller cars. Here’s an elaboration on the basic GEK running a Honda Accord with a standard 1600cc 4 cyl engine”.

            By the way dude your so called diesel tractor would need to have two cylinder 1600cc motor just to be capable of running on the type gas your so called synogas. Also you might want read the full article and FAQs dude because it isn’t encouraged to compress and store said gas, but nice try anyway Flashy.

    • http://Boblivingstonletter Gottaplenty

      Ill bet you get a bycicle to help keep us off the oil addiction huh.All this liberal crap that is being dished out is just that… crap.. How many of that lib. bunch ever did any thing but consume. People that do produce consider this as just another pile of crap to get covered up …Have fun idiots…

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You missed some points to consider. There would not be any bicycles that would be manufactured. If the Leftists knew the whole process of bicycle manufacturing they would shut them down.

        • Alex Frazier

          lol amen to that.

          I believe it was Friedman who said that if the government were put in charge of the Sahara Desert, within ten years there would be a shortage of sand. The government can’t do anything that doesn’t destroy an industry. Seems the only ones they know how to save are the ones that are doomed to failure through obsolescence that can only survive by subsidy.

    • Don

      flash, and your salutation is Odumbo?? some people are really stupid !!!

      • Don

        solution, sorry!!

  • Temper

    WHAT A BUNCH OF MILLARKY! GET the facts straight! The Canadian pipe line will NOT benefit AMericans living where it will be dug…the EArth will not hold together very much longer with these genuises redesigning the Creator’s Creation. Do they think these Earthquakes are just because and has NOTHING to do with us re-designing how rivers flow, sucking the life out of the Earth, digging and striping her of her minerals …It is time for BETTER intentions than the MONEY GAME that serves the few Rich Corporations. Want to get the economy together? GET RID of the Federal Reserve, CLAIM our Soverignity and Print our own money…and save the Earth. Without her, NO ONE WINS!

    • FreedomFighter

      Earth will be long after you are dead, so please stop with save mama earth BS.

      We dont need to return to the stone age.

      If are also one of those OVERPOPULATION eugenics Mother Earth types, save us,

      OFF YOUR SELF

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Karolyn

        What about the earthquakes being generated by fracking?

        • DaveH

          Do you have any evidence for that, Karolyn?

          • Karolyn

            It was last week I heard about it in Youngstown, OH. They have stopped the fracking. The area never had earthquakes before the fracking. Of course, there are differing opinions, as there always are (maybe depending on who’s writing out the paycheck!); however, it would seem logical.
            http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45891817/ns/local_news-nashville_tn/t/scientist-fracking-causing-earthquakes-ohio/

          • DaveH

            If that were indeed proven, Karolyn, then the accusers would have legs. But it’s odd that we haven’t heard that before from the many other Fracking sites, and keep in mind that the Greens have been attacking Fracking from day one. Also keep in mind that “Scientists” promoted the Homogenic Global Warming Hoax.
            If you know anything about double-blind studies, you know that they do it that way because humans tend to be biased and as a result they subconsciously or (consciously sometimes) skew results to match their biases, so the only way to get unbiased results is to prevent the data collectors in the study from knowing which study factors are real and which are fake. And the Greens are, without a doubt, very biased.

          • Karolyn

            Dave – When I don’t have solid facts, I depend on logic.

          • Flashy

            Karolyn….the polluted drinking water, the earthquakes, the ground shiftings, the animals and birds dying off, the people all of a sudden being hit with nerve disorders and diseases, the land use controversies riping aopart whole communities at the seams … to DaveH, they are all “coincidences’ since he hasn’t been told what else to think.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Look at what Karolyn is using for her source of the story? Do we expect anyone there to be unbiased?

          • DaveH

            Flashman as usual makes several unsupported statements as if they were Fact. Here is some reality:
            http://reason.org/news/show/environmentalists-were-for-fracking

          • DaveH
          • eddie47d

            That was brought up last month about fracking causing increased earthquakes. Oklahoma use to have 67 earthquakes per year and since fracking has been increased earthquakes are now 1,047 per year.No rocket science to figure that one out.

          • Karolyn

            Nadzieja – You never post ANYTHING other than badmouthing what other people have to say. I’ve not seen you ever cite anything.

          • Brad

            Karolyn,

            You might want to read this article instead of leaning on the lefts MSM hype, http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=did-fracking-cause-oklahomas-largest-recorded-earthquake

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            Where do you get your earthquake info from?
            This is what I found:
            http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/oklahoma/history.php

          • Karolyn

            I wasn’t talking about Oklahoma.

          • Alex Frazier

            This is the first time I’ve actually heard of fracking. My uninformed opinion on this is that it is unlikely to be the cause of earthquakes. I can buy into the idea that there are gas leaks and other harmful effects in the areas immediate associated with the process. You can’t collapse that much area, even in a controlled way, without there being points of weakness.

            However, earthquakes (genuine earthquakes) are caused by the shifting of tetonic plates. When you consider the relative size of the drilling activity to the size of the plate and fault line, the idea that this drilling can cause a plate the size of a continent to shift is ridiculous. It’s like suggesting that sliding a pin under the top layer of skin on your finger would cause arterial bleeding.

            People act like the earth’s crust is a few hundred feet deep, when it is as much as twenty-five miles deep depending upon the area being drilled. I just don’t see earthquakes caused by fracking as a realistic conclusion. Even the Tallboy didn’t cause actual earthquakes. All it did was send shockwaves relative to its size, depth, and payload. But it didn’t cause tetonic plate shifts.

    • FreedomFighter

      I do agree with getting rid of the FED and greedy banksters…and safe use of resources. Sorry if I came in to hard, you did make some good points.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

  • Deerinwater

    It is the function of opposition to offer “viable options”.

    Am I to assume the DNC has “somehow” been responsible for making this impossible?

    I’d enjoy hearing such an argument.

  • Lynne

    I choked when I first heard that China was being granted most favored trading partner. I couldn’t believe it was happening, but it was. We brought it on ourselves and *of course* it evolved the way it has. No brainer. Ron Paul 2012!

    • DaveH

      China is not to blame for our problems — Big Government is the Problem.
      They suck 44% of our GDP into their non-productive pockets. And much of that money is used to hire regulators to harass the productive private sector. How can any economy expect to overcome that?

  • michigan patriot

    Flashy you sound like a smart and intellagent person please elaborate on your solution to heating our homes, moving food and materials across country, sounds like you have a better idea for a new startup business to become very rich I suggest you do it because you can become a leader that will go down in history for saving the world from disaster by becoming GREEN. maybe we can all live like our ancestors did in the 1800′s move by horse and buggy, live off the land no phones, pony express, life expectancy of 37-45 years old, sounds good to me when do we start

    • Flashy

      michigan patriot…the policy you ask about…i.e. return to horse and buggy days…is that which you should be asking the far right and evangelicals. That’s the only option they cheer on…return to the past. Moderates and Progressives like to look forward and try new ideas.

      As Deerin Water states….Progressives, moderates, this administration (which is both) … continue to move this nation forward. They are not known as the Party of No. they aren’t known for promoting policies which are shortsided and serve narrow wealthy Corporate entrenched special interests.

      What do you propose? Let me guess…would i be correct in that you support a continued addiciton to oil? Do you support taking the high risk of polluting the largest aquifier in the US..one that servies the entire Central plains? Dirtying our air and water?

      C’mon…just what do you suggest we do?

      • DaveH

        You didn’t answer his question, Flashman. Why doesn’t that surprise me?

      • Brian

        Moving us closer to the edge of a cliff is not “moving forward.” And the Party of No is the Democrats. The GOP controlled House has passed 20 jobs bills but Democrat Harry Reid says no to even giving them a hearing in the Senate. Reid even said no to Obama’s jobs bill. And uts been three yeats since Democrats have passed an actual budget.

      • Brian

        BTW, Democrats passed ObamaCare which was a huge handout to special interests. Take your blinders off.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        We won’t wean anyone or anything from oil since we set the course of using it for most manufacturing processes besides our riding vehicles.
        To stop your concerns about oil,simply don’t leave your house but then you won’t have a house, nor food, nor clothing and you definitely won’t have a computer but also no pens,etc.. Your decision.

        • michigan patriot

          Nadzieja Batki you are spot on I just didn’t go far enough Flasshy can’t
          see or think past his nose the big picture everything involves petroleum products our water bottles, plastics in our cars, logistics, petro is here to stay may be sad but true

        • Flashy

          LOL…..

          Mich. I will respond to you since you haven’t proposed any possible solutions other than suggest continuance on an addiction destined for failure.

          This may surpirse you. i would let the market flow free. Cut the oil subsidies, including exploration subsidies. When the price of oil rises to the natural price, there will exist incentive for innovation. I would subsidize at the pump (or plug in..whatever) alternative fuels. I would heavily subsidize non-oil farm fuels for the agriculture sector. I would give the states block grants for mass transportation for non-oil based transportation. I would invest heavily in rebuilding our infrastructure.

          those are some of the policies i would suggest looking at.

          • DaveH

            Flashman says “This may surpirse you. i would let the market flow free”.
            But then he contradicts himself with this — “I would subsidize at the pump (or plug in..whatever) alternative fuels. I would heavily subsidize non-oil farm fuels for the agriculture sector. I would give the states block grants for mass transportation for non-oil based transportation. I would invest heavily in rebuilding our infrastructure”.
            Duh, Flashman, Free Markets don’t have subsidies. You can invest your own money any way you want. But keep your slimy paws off my money.

          • Flashy

            Dave…you don’t have any money….

          • Brad

            Hey Flashy,

            If you are going to cut all subsidies for oil based products then you need to do the same with all those alternative fuels. Once no one gets government subsidies we’ll see how fast your green energy fuels fail and file for bankruptcy. We already know it takes more energy to produce green energy (solar, ethanol, wind) then it is to refine one barrel of oil.

          • DaveH

            I don’t have any money?
            Thanks for proving your ignorance, Flashman.

      • michigan patriot

        Still didn’t answer my question JUST WHAT SOLUTIONS DO YOU OFFER GOING FORWARD to get away from oil you seem to have an answer or idea please share it so we can get on board

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So according to you progressives and moderates like to try new ideas but not the conservatives. The reality is that only a few people come up new inventions to improve our lives. Tweaking old inventions is not coming up with anything new and your bunch have even been hindering even that. So your groups’ mantra is “we can’t come up with anything new and we will make sure that noone else does either”.

        • DaveH

          The difference between new Conservative ideas and new Liberal ideas is that the Liberals want to use other peoples’ money to pursue theirs.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            What happens when they run out of other peoples’ money?

          • DaveH

            They will just slither away like snakes always do.

      • Alex Frazier

        Flashy, with all due respect, Hybrid cars are now readily available. That’s the first step to eliminating our oil dependency. What “progressives” fail to take into account is that we can’t do like the movie The Ides of March suggests and eliminate all combustion engine vehicles within ten years. Removing those cars from circulation means forcing people to buy new vehicles. That’s just not something most people are financially prepared to do. And if you can’t switch everyone over at one time, then you have to have dual fuel sources to accommodate both types of engines.

        You would, in essence, bankrupt half the nation who can’t afford a new $40K vehicle, put an entire oil industry out of work, cause major upheaval in the modification of gas stations nation wide as they switched over to the new energy source, and so on.

        It’s a thing that needs to be done. I think both parties recognize it and agree. But even switching people from records and casettes to CDs took more than a decade, as it did to switch them from VHS to DVD. And these are minor improvements to technology that cost someone a few hundred dollars at worst. Switching them over to a new automobile at an inflated price of $40K+ is going to take half a century. Count on it.

        So it’s not fair to say that we want to return to the horse and buggy. I don’t. Neither does anyone I know. But progress costs money, and the United States doesn’t have any. It has spent it all on welfare and war. If they had a complete line of fully electric cars out there with electric charging stations as plentifully available as gasoline stations, I would be happy to make my next automobile purchase an electric car. But as long as my electric car restricts me to in-city driving due to a limited electric charge, I’d rather have the vehicle that will take me on a three-state trip if I need to drive that far.

        Besides, it’s worth saying that electricity isn’t generated out of nothing. We burn fossil fuels to generate electricity. If we did away with gasoline and the low emissions that have been developed over the years, it would be replaced by an increase in other fossil fuels, like coal, being consumed in the production of the electricity it would take to keep everyone driving. So it’s really a wash.

        The only advantage to getting off of oil is that we would get away from the dependency we have to other nations.

        This is not to say that I’m against getting off of oil. It’s just not realistic or feasible at the present time. Our efforts are better spent trying to produce or invent a motor that doesn’t require a battery or any other disposable source and to keep using oil in the meantime.

  • Bob

    Why not simply build a refinery near the Canadian border, utilize the refined products from that source to distribute to North American users, and then allow the refineries in Texas to export more? This would seem to make sense, at least on the surface. What am I missing? Sure, we still need to transport the refined products away from the new refinery, but that could be done with pipelines using products that are not as corrosive as the original oil…

    • DaveH

      Bob, we simply need to get Big Government out of it. Companies in the Free Market would figure the solutions that were most efficient or they would lose money — their Own Money.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Your first work would be to read all the regulations and get past them if you can.

    • John

      Oh, there are refineries in Montana and Wyoming who could take that oil refine it and distribute it to be used within the US, the Sinclair WY refinery has ample of capacity to take every drop that pipeline can deliver. BUT…if you look at the business proposal, and if you look at the published papers and the paperwork filed with the governments of Canada and the US by the people who want to build this pipeline, you will see that what the company proposes and what people say will be are two totally different things. The first lie is the 10k jobs within the US.The company itself only projects about 2k of mostly temporary jobs.
      Second, this oil /products from it.. was never and will never be used within the US. It is destined for the international market, that’s why the pipeline is planed to go all the way to the gulf. This planet has an oil production/delivery shortage mainly because of emerging countries like India and China. This is what determines the price of oil on Wall Street and that is what oil produced in Canada or the US will be sold at independent if it is used within the US/Canada or outside.
      Unless the US government intervenes and uncouples oil from the speculation of the market all the oil produced inside the US will NOT reduce the price at the pump by even one penny. For every barrel we in the US produce more, OPEC will reduce its production. They would love us to pieces if we would overproduce and deplete our own oil and thus they have more for years to come. Yes they lose the short term sale, but does anyone here really think oil prices in the long run will go down? And thus, in the long run they will make more money.OPEC has a vested interest to keep prices and production at a certain level and they will do anything they can to keep them there. Right now, the US has extra refining capacity and thus our #1 export are refined oil products. The rest of the world is reluctant to build new refineries simply because as long as the US produces cheap there is no need for them. This will change as soon as the US would slap export tariffs on oil products. Iran who is importing most of its refined petroleum products from Russia and US corporations(ironic right…we can sell petroleum products to them but we are getting ready to restrict them selling the raw materials to the world) Iran is ready to build a refinery. So are several other countries that are talking to China and Russia to build those plants….of course Iranian plans for 2 high capacity refineries, large enough to produce and export end-product, not only raw oil is a big thorn in the side of US big oil and would cut big time into their profits and one of the reasons the war drums are rolling..
      As long as domestic oil is sold on the market at international prices and subjected to the same speculation, NO amount of extra oil production in the US will ever result in lower gas prices for US customers.
      If you look at the filings of the people who want to build this pipeline, you will see quickly, that the only real winners would be the owners and investors but NOT the US public… There will be spills along this pipeline, and it is just a question of “when” not “if” there will be a spill that potential contaminates the aquifer it crosses. Millions of US citizens will be negatively impacted in many a city.The cost to produce clean water will be going through the roof and it will be our children and grand children that will have to pay the price four our haste and short sightedness. Do the investors in Canada care? Of course not, they will get slapped on their fingers pay a ludicrous fine that will be less then 0.000000000001% of their potential profits and thus is considered a calculated loss and go on with life. Is this really the legacy we want to leave our children and grand children? I rather have this pipeline stopped right now and wait until sound proposals are looked at and weighted. and if common sense will show that it is prudent to build it all the way ..ok fine with me…but lets not push this for a perceived benefit (lower gas prices, 10′s of thousands of jobs) that are an utopia to start with. In the name of safety, in the name of the future of my children and grand children, those investors can wait a little while to reap the profits, until all pros and cons are considered and changes are made to minimize its impact.

    • Don

      Bob, what your missing is,,, obama is still in the WH. got it ??

  • David Moore

    Hey Noink! Religion is for those who believe in fairy tales and superstitions. Marriage is on the way out. A citizen? So, what! What has this gotten you? A veteran? Following orders without thinking is stupid! The government has ground-up young men in conflicts and wars!
    Do you really think that this nation has prospered as a result of these conflicts? We have a most hated status around the planet! Wow! you were able to impregnate a woman…did you not hear about the overpopulation of this planet? 7 billion and counting.What kind of world are you passing on to your grandchildren? A conservative? So, what…are you helping to conserve the natural resources of our planet? It is clear that you do not understand much about the workings of our government. OK, which of the Republican candidates is smarter than a 5th grader? Go ahead and vote republican….you will be in good company with the other sheeples.

    • Charles

      True David, for many, religion is a fairy tale, but the Bible is not.

      • Flashy

        It’s not a fairy tale…but it is a nice fictional work.

        • DaveH

          Kind of like the Religion of Liberalism. Both are strictly belief systems. The difference?
          The Religion of Liberalism has no track record of beneficial results. Everywhere that it’s been implemented, economies and people have suffered (except the Leaders and their pals). Liberalism survives only because they promise great things to ignorant people who are unaware of the reality of it:
          http://heritage.org/index/ranking
          For those who have been following the index, did you notice that the United States now has less Economic Freedom than Chile? And we wonder why our economy sucks?

          • NC

            DaveH, you are citing the Heritage Foundation as EXPERTS ON ECONOMIC MATTERS”???????This is the same group that supported the bush tax cuts legislation with an analysis that, if passed, it would result in a stronger economy and reduce our deficits and national debt!!!!!!!!!! Well the Republican Congress passed it AND HOW DID THAT COME OUT?????
            DO YOU HAVE A SOURCE THAT IS A LITTLE MORE RELIABLE??

          • DaveH

            It wouldn’t matter who collated the data, NC, you, being a Liberal, would still deny the data. But you are certainly free to refute the data, NC, and show us some references for your refutation.
            At any rate, yes there is another source:
            http://www.freetheworld.com/2011/reports/world/EFW2011_complete.pdf

          • NC

            DaveH, you say that “the religion of liberalsim has no track record of beneficial results.EVERYWHERE it has been implemented economies and people have suffered except the leaders and their pals.”"
            YOUR WORDS!!DO YOU LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY??

            Let me cite you to a study that was reported in FORBES MAGAZINE that is controlled by A CONSERVATIVE FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE STEVEN FORBES. THE TITLE OF THE ARTICLE IS “PROSPERITY AND THE PRESIDENTS

            Pull it up and I think you will find the ‘data’ reveals that the liberal Democrats have served the interest of the American citizens every bit as well of the more conservative Repugnuts in the last hundred years.
            I doubt seriously that Mr. Forbes would allow any report in his magazine that hurts his beloved Republican party that was based on lies>
            Again I ask, what do you think the slogan “The stock market loves the Democrats.” means???? Why would anyone ever say that unless there is a reason?//Where are the “good” conservative figures at running our economy?? bush II??TERRIBLE, bush I?? less terrible: Reagan??your best but not the best!(clinton): Nixon???almost as bad as bush II.

          • DaveH

            NC,
            Did I say anything about Democrats or Republicans?
            Obviously you don’t know that there are Progressives/Liberals in both parties. Read the free online book I linked to in a later comment to you.

          • Alex Frazier

            NC, I can tell you as a Republican and a stock market investor that I do, in fact, love a Democrat when it comes to investments. The Democrats spend like there’s no tommorrow. They cause massive inflation. Inflation causes the price of commodities and goods to rise in terms of dollars, which makes my wallet fatter. Then all their poor decisions come to a head, the market tanks, and I make a killing on puts and shorts as the same commodities plunge in correction.

            The stock market loves the Democrats because their decisions are generally unwise and cause major market volatility, which is profitable for an investor.

            JFYI

      • John

        The bible is a work of fiction telling a fairy tale

        • FreedomFighter

          Fools say foolish things and we forget them quickly.

          The word of God endures, because it is the word of God.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • John

            Yeah, like reading the book and believing all the nonsense and then promoting the story to others ..and when asked for proof point to the same book…. a book that is not only incomplete but has been changed by man many a times to reflect the political reality of its times.
            Rather then the book, you should look at the history of the book through times and how it was perverted by man. The bible as we know it today is a book of fiction that promotes the word of man not the word of god. God and his truth is not found in the book of man.

          • 45caliber

            John:

            I’m sorry you feel that way. I’ll say a prayer that you will come to understand the Bible and worship the God it speaks about. Remember, a lot of archeology has proved much of the Bible already. And they are still looking.

        • Alex Frazier

          John, any time you want to debate the validity of the Bible, I’m your man.

          In the meantime, as per your freedom of religion, please go and athetate somewhere else. You’re free to practice, but it’s in bad taste to insult unprovoked. Your opinion on the Bible wasn’t requested. I didn’t ram my beliefs down your throat in a crude and ugly way, so I don’t want your sh1t rammed down mine.

    • F-150

      Boy, David. You are really a breath of fresh air. Why don’t you just crawl back in that hole where air like that comes from?

    • DaveH

      David,
      I would expect no more from a “Compassionate” Liberal.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The ones who claim to be Tolerant in this time period are the most intolerant.

  • Jody Laviolette

    Let’s shut the government down before it shuts us Americans down. Power to the People! We the People must make a stand even if it is though force. May God bless these United States of America or what’s ever left to it anyway.

  • s c

    #*=^+ China. What has China ever done for America? China would love doing things TO America, but there’s a vast difference. #*=^+ any “leader” who thinks the American people work for him or a political party. #*=^+ anyone who thinks government needs complete kontrol over us. #*=^+ any prostituted enslaver who thinks freedom
    and slavery are synonymous terms. In particular, #*=^+ any so-called “leader” who expects us to turn off our brains to make him happy.
    In case we have some retards in the crowd whose brain transplants are ‘acting up,’ a utopia is a state of mind. There will never be one on this planet – no matter what you think or what you’ve been told. Grow up. Your innocence ended the day you saw politics as your new, infallible religion.

    • Sirian

      They never will grow up s c. Shoot, isn’t NC a good example?

    • eddie47d

      We have the same China policy as we did 40 years ago. Sit back and do nothing. China is pouring billions into the world economy and reaping the benifits. We make war and China makes money. They spend billions on internal infrastructure and we refuse to adapt. That’s not an Obama problem it’s a policy problem we refuse to change.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Attention:
        Eddie
        GDP Growth Rates, List by Country
        http://www.tradingeconomics.com/gdp-growth-rates-list-by-country -
        The United States has the world’s largest economy by GDP, according to the World Bank. Yet, China’s fast-growing economy should surpass that of the US by 2050….

        • Flashy

          be careful when relying on any figures concerning Growth rates of ecomonies. I’m not saying they are erroneous, but highly suspect. China is a basket case ready to have a wee bit of economic turmoil.

          remember when Japan Inc was the big fear amongst the Right? japan was buying everything here they could. And the forecasts were that they would be masters of the world economy within 20 years. Then wham! They had issues and went through what they now call The Lost Decade.

          China’s economy is quickly approaching the Perfect Storm.

          i’d be watching India if i were thinking of the next one to try and take us on. India will be a tough competitor.

          Maybe i’d better wait so DaveH can amaze us with another link from Mises and Austrian economics…

  • USMC Grunt

    Sure would be nice if the American people would wake and connect the dots. What is the real reason that Obama doesn’t want the Keystone pipeline? Deepwater rig explodes in the Gulf, Obama ends deepwater drilling in the Gulf, deep water rigs are towed to Brazil, Soros becomes the largest investor in Petrobra, Obama give Brazil $3 billion for deep water exploration. Figure it out….Obama and Soros will make billions by selling Brazilian crude to the U.S.
    Hopefully we get Newt as our GOP nominee or we will be FUBAR’D. He is the only one in my humble opinion that can kick Obama’s ass. I don’t care about his past personal life, I do care about what he can do for America.
    Semper Fi!

    • Karolyn

      “No Newt is good Newt!”

      • Blue Devil

        Roger that, Karolyn. For once, I agree with you.

    • DaveH

      The Democrats would shred Newt. He is nothing more than a slimy salamander.

    • Brian

      Newt? ROFLMAO! Newt is just another Progressive pulling the wool over your eyes.

    • 45caliber

      USMC:

      The deepwater rig that blew up was sabotage, not an accident. Since then, the Chinese have moved a rig into Mexican waters not far from where this one blew up. So – we can’t drill and get the oil because of Oblama’s order – but the CHinese can. Further the Chinese have a well only about 30 miles from Key West, again in waters that Oblama won’t allow us to drill.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        My curiosity is who will control the Global Economy that the Leftists on this site are so enamored with.We have been made a corraled consumer economy.

      • John

        it really does not mater who has licensees and who are the operators of any of the oil platforms. NO amount of oil produced there, independent if it would be BP, the Chinese, the Russians or American companies will ever result in the US gas prices come down. US gas prices depend on the price of oil in the international market…the higher it goes, the more it costs. And if we in the US would produce more oil , OPEC will just reduce its output to keep the prices stable. Remember, refined petroleum products are our number 1 export from the US.. As long as the US government permits speculators on Wall street to dictate the price of oil, no amount of extra production will lower the price.

        • USMC Grunt

          With due respect, speculators base their projections on not only demand but the volitility of the supplier nations. If the USA would drill, drill and take the oil from the Keystone pipeline (which O’numbnuts has now quashed) our oil would bie cheaper. This whole F’ing drill is BS. O’numbnuts and Soros are effectively creating thier New World Order.
          Semper Fi

      • Don

        Thanks 45, i have been saying this all along, that was no accident !!!

        • 45caliber

          They tried to hire one of the biggest experts on this sort of thing right after it first happened. He lives in Houston. They offered him $1200 an hour, 24 hours a day, plus other bennies, to take the job. He turned them down. He said that considering what had happened, he didn’t want to be in someone’s crosshairs.

      • eddie47d

        Caliber and USMC are a bit off. There is drilling in the Gulf by American companies and under the Obama Administration. Cuba can drill in their waters just like we are doing in ours so it doesn’t make any difference if it’s 30 miles away . It’s their territory. One reason we can’t drill off of Cuba is because of our continuous blockade of that country and stopped from pressure of the Cuban community in Miami. Even that loan to Brazil was from the Import/Export Bank and not from the Obama Administration.Obama made nothing off of that deal so that is all political hype and royal BS.

      • USMC Grunt

        45 Cal,we are on the same page!

    • 45caliber

      USMC:

      Incidently, I’ve heard that Oblama has received one billion dollars worth of stock in the Brazilian oil company for his “Aid” in providing them with three billion dollars of our tax money. He keeps it off shore.

      • John

        Any links to this, any documentation? Or is it just rumors and hearsay? I mean if this is true, the GOP would nail him to the wall.

      • Flashy

        45 I heard you receive the same amount to post here and you also keep it offshore

        Both have the same amount of validity…

        • 45caliber

          If I did, I’d definately be somewhere else.

  • Charles

    Except for the Christians in China, the political leadsership has no interest in the foundation upon which America was built, and I question the same about the leadership in the White House.

  • Edmund Redsecker

    First of all $16 billion of investment into Canada from China is mimiscule compared to what is at stake ! Secondly there is to much credit given to the intelect of Obama and his cabal of advisors ! Most are just intelectual thugs and the reason they seem to succed is because our republican leadership is spineless which is about to change ! Thirdly the Canadians’s only have turned to China because of the obviously weak morons now running our country but would rather for many reasons keep their business here in the the America’s both for profit and for security !

  • DaveH

    John says that “China registered 219 million motor vehicles in four categories: motorcycles, tractors, trucks and automobiles”.
    Let’s see — China’s population is 1.35 Billion people. That means 16% of their people own some kind of motor vehicle. I’m envious, NOT.

    • http://mkusask@yahoo.co.uk Saidi Mkusa

      Let us be guided by the principals of economics. Low population low expenditure,high population high expenditure of the government. Demand and supply has reached a point in the world that the market is shrinking.

      So let us leave this quiz to our polititions to crack their heads. Don’t point a finger to anybody. If so wht about the sliding down of Europe economy ? Who is to blame?

      • DaveH

        Read this book, Saidi:
        http://www.amazon.com/How-Capitalism-Saved-America-Pilgrims/dp/0761525262

        The curtain will be opened, and the Wizard exposed.

        • Flashy

          yep…there sure is a lot of comparison between 15th century Pilgrims and their struggles and the economies and society of a modern Nation-State. Uh huh … Just what it is exactly i don’t know. i’m sure DaveH will explain it to us though…

  • Sirian

    China is in progress of purchasing valuable agricultural and forrest land tracts around the world plus mineral resources, oil, precious metals mines etc. Why would they be doing this if it were not their intent to control much more than most realize? Couple this with a continuous barrage of cyber attacks on our DOD as well as private industry to steal as much as possible and disrupt our national security on a whole. It’s right in front of us day by day and most people still don’t get it.

    • DaveH

      No doubt the Chinese would like to Empire Build. That’s what Leaders do. But their threat to the United States pales in comparison to the threat that our own Government presents to our Freedom and Prosperity.

    • 45caliber

      Sirian:

      This is one reason that I’ve never been in favor of building all those plants in China that is now going on. They are basically getting all the technology the US has spent decades developing for free!

  • Dan

    If MEYERS had an honest bone in his body connected to a brain it would be an improvement.
    DUBYAH bush ran up the debt with China, not OBAMA.
    The rampant totalitarian rampant capitalistic dictatorship in control of China now has a major interest in seeing that debt repaid.
    Considering Bush essentially borrowed on a “DEMAND NOTE” and Obama/Biden must try to avoid having them issue a demand for payment to add more to the economic disaster Bush/Cheney left behind — if the Chinese leaders favor Obama continuing in office, it is because they consider him their best hope for being repaid.
    Obama did not cut the trade deals which have been so beneficial to China. Those deals were cut by Nixon, added benefits piled on by Reagan and Poppa Bush, and the China debt created by DubYah.
    Of course, Mr. Meyers want to forget Bush’s TARP, which gave nearly a trilion to Wall Street and the big banks with no restrictions.
    Meyers also wants us to forget the $7.7-Trillion in NO interest and Extremely LOW Interest (00.0025%) loans Bush and Paulson secretly heaped upon Wall Street and the Big Banks well before TARP.
    Oh, and don’t forget that in addition to the worst economic debacle since Hoover’s Not So Great Depression, Bush/Cheney left us with TWO MISMANAGED WARS, minimal international respect following near-total international support after 9/11. Then there is the little matter of the BP Gulf Oil disaster, coming directly from Bush’s rush to deepwater development without safety and environmental concerns. It was left up to Obama to create the working requirements and get them enforced for a mess DubYah created to favor his Oil Patch Buddies.
    Don’t forget, Bush walked away from Bin Laden and Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Bush never got one Al Qaeda or Taliban leader.
    Obama has eliminated Bin Laden and 22 of the top 30 Al Qaeda leaders.
    Remember the mountains of NeoCon Criticism heaped upon Pres. Obama after the early “Cairo Speech.” A little more than two years after, we saw the Arab Spring, with the people ridding themselves of dictators. Popular governments springing up from Libya to Yemen, even Assad teetering in Syria .

    • DaveH

      So, Dan, who pays back the $4.5 Trillion increase in the National Debt since Obama took office?
      If TARP was bad at $700 Billion (it was), then isn’t the over $2 Trillion of stimulus during the Obama administration even worse?
      http://stimuluspackagedetails.com/total.html

    • Brian

      You hsve no clue about the debt. At the end of 2000 the debt was $5.6 trillion. At the end of 2008 it was $10 trillion. Total new debt ubder Bush: about $4.5 trillion. As of right now the debt is $15.2 trillion. Total new debt under Obama: $5.2 trillion. Add to this the fact it took Bush eight years to add $4.5 trillion and it only took Obama less than three to add even more. At this rate if Obama is re- elected he will leave office having added $15 trillion to the debt: three times what Bush did.

  • JTB

    Well all I can say is China, you want obama, he’s all yours because we can’t afford another 4 years of his corrupt policies!

  • Lray

    Flashy
    You must think there weren’t any other pipelines in that area. I assure you there are several built before with less scrutiny than this would have.

  • FreedomFighter

    I’m RACIST for criticizing Obama.

    TERRORIST because I cling to my God, Bible and Guns.

    ANTISEMITIC for not supporting Rothechild Zionism.

    TEABAGGER for supporting the Constitution.

    TRUTH-ER for asking unanswered questions.

    TRAITOR? for whistle-blowing on my corrupt Government.

    CONSPIRACY THEORIST for presenting documented facts.

    TROLL for uploading news, videos, quotes.

    ANTI-AMERICAN for supporting Constitutionalists like Dr. Ron Paul.

    RON PAUL 2012!

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Helen2

      But you have lots of good company FF. While I’m not able to walk and use a wheel chair, I’m a very good shot, so if it comes to that, I’ve got your back.

    • NC

      Freedom Fighter, I have found your problem!
      It’s in your TRUTH-ER FOR ASKING UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.

      It appears you are asking until you get the answer you WANT to hear even if it is not the TRUTH! That’s a habit that is hard to break and leads to terminal denial where ignorance eats your head off.

      • DaveH

        Why is it, NC, that the Liberal programs have to forced on people with the Power of Big Government? If they were indeed desirable, don’t you think they would voluntarily accept them in Free Markets?

        • NC

          Dave, you question the Liberal presence in the Free Market???

          “THE STOCK MARKET LOVES THE DEMOCRATS.” That’s an old saying that must have some proof! For Proof see: “Bulls,bears donkeys and elephants” That’s a h*ll of a spread to be an accident! What do yoou have to say about that??

          If liberal programs are “forced” on the people just let the CONSERVATIVES jump in there and try to end Social Security and Medicare and see where the “FORCE” comes from and where it goes!! Don’t consider trying to sit dowm for a while.

          • DaveH

            We haven’t had anything close to Free Markets for at least a hundred years, NC.
            Did I say anything about Democrats or Republicans, NC?
            Both groups have been Progressive since at least the late 19th Century. Read this free online book and learn something:
            http://mises.org/books/historyofmoney.pdf
            And are you saying that Social Security wasn’t implemented by Force, NC?
            If so, you are very deluded. I know I wouldn’t have contributed voluntarily. And I doubt that very many young people would choose to participate if they weren’t Forced. Who in their right mind would knowingly and voluntarily invest in a Ponzi Scheme?

          • DaveH

            Is Social Security a Ponzi Scheme?
            http://mises.org/daily/5658

          • Flashy

            Dave..still needing Mises to tell you what to think eh?

            I’d say given we have been through the worst economic recession since the Depression…and thanks to Pres. Obama’s decisive handling preventing it from a Depression…we should look to see who fared OK . The answer…our senior citizens. Because they had SS to rely upon.

            SSi is not a Ponzi scheme. Only those with ulterior motives and the truly ignorant believe it to be a Ponzi scheme. Of the two, which one are you?

          • DaveH

            Well, I certainly wouldn’t let you tell me what to think, Flashman.
            Without Obama and his Liberal Cohorts, Flashman, we would have recovered within a year. Prove me wrong.
            And Flashman says the seniors fared okay. Perhaps you could explain why anybody on fixed income has done okay, Flashman, since their fixed incomes become less valuable as Government inflates the money supply?
            And Flashman says “SSi is not a Ponzi scheme”. But, as usual, his only support for that statement comes from his manipulative adolescent personal attacks. Sorry Flashman, the intelligent readers of this site don’t fall for such childish manipulation. You’ll need to ply your trade at DailyKos or some other Liberal Site where name-calling and other personal attacks take the place of knowledge and logic.

          • Flashy

            Dave…you don’t happen to have any reliable credible documentation or reference for those claims you just made do you? LOL Didn’t think so.

          • DaveH

            Can you prove them wrong, Flashman?

      • FreedomFighter

        NC put that on tape and play it to yourself.

        Liberalism is a mental disorder, Glock has a cure, use it.

        Laus Deo
        Semper fi

        • NC

          Freedom Fighter, why would I want to kill myself? I have lived in the greatest country in the world all of my life with a government so strong that even the Conservative can’t kill it. Try as they did to wreck the economy just to regain the White House they lost because the last conservative president was an incompetent fool!Every thing he tried turned out bad! Remember the approval ratings?

          Besides that Tiger is returning to the tour next week and our Muslim Kenyan is still in the White House and the Dow is way above the bush recession level of 6547!! Want to borrow my Glock??? I don’t need it!!

        • John

          FF, liberalism is a mental disorder? Have some hard medical facts and independent studies on that? If so i would love to see a link…to medical facts, not opinion. So far try as I may, I have not found any…I have found a lot of opinion and nonsense by people who wrote websites that had an agenda to belittle others, but i have NOT seen any medical published facts for your assertion. And i.m.h.o. should we not be the people who promote facts? I mean, if we want others to take us serious we should refrain from making definite statements that have no substance or are not based on facts.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Whose posting are you responding to?

        • NC

          Exactly what does the ‘book’ say about wealth and helping the less fortunate?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        What are you babbling? Stringing words together does not make you intelligent.

  • Peter Everts

    Time to get off the oil teat. Whether from Canada or the Middle East. Oh, and nationalize the oil refiners and get rid of the inflated price of gasoline. Enough of Ron Paul anti-American fascism.

    • DaveH

      So you think that the same Government, which fails at almost everything they get involved with (Post Office, Amtrak, Fannie and Freddie, Social Security, Medicare, …), is going to somehow provide us with cheaper energy?
      And why wouldn’t they fail? Does a person work harder when they are protected from firing, or less hard? Does a person work more safely when they are protected from liability, or less safely? Does an entity which has the power of Force charge lower prices, or higher prices?

      • Flashy

        DaveH…best start looking through your Mizes “Austrian Economics” ewebsite for the answer you have to think.

        Of those you listed, not one can survive privately and give the service or the safety net they are designed for and needed. Go to rural America and ask them about whether they need the post office. Go to a senior citizen and ask them about SSI and Medicare. And read a tad about before you were born about the starvation and poverty before the Great Society came into being.

        BTW…if Congress did away with the mandated payments the PO has to make each year…payments which have nothing to do with the PO operations…it actually breaks even.

        Same with Amtrak.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Who made you their messiah?

        • DaveH

          Every one of those tasks would have been performed more cheaply and efficiently with Free Markets, Flashman.
          We have all seen the reality of Government controlled Markets, in Russia, in North Korea, in Cuba, in Zimbabwe, in China …..
          You can give all the lip-service you want, Flashman, but the proof is in the actual experiences of those countries who have succumbed to the Liberal Siren Songs.
          Anybody with even half-a-brain can figure out why the Politics and Force of Government cannot produce products efficiently and cheaply.

        • eddie47d

          The force of government is sure working in China and they for the most part are booming. They are in tandem with capitalism for the time being and different than Zimbabwe where government controls everything.

        • DaveH

          And Flashman, they’re called references, something you should try when you bore us with your fabricated facts.
          Do you really think any intelligent person would take your incoherent illogical statements over the learned statements by the professional economists at mises.org?

        • DaveH
        • DaveH
        • Flashy

          LOL…Dave..your reliance upon the fraudulent ‘Austrian economics” site is becoming tiresome. you can’t find anything other than the replacement for Weekly World News?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            No one but no one is making you read DaveH posts.

          • JeffH

            Flashy, well then PROVE him wrong instead of your usual Marxist/Alinsky doublespeak. You can’t but you can sure say you can…prove it, that’s all you gotta do, prove it!

          • DaveH

            Flashman, folks, is a very good example of the Liberal manipulative tactics. They have no logical capabilities, so they must rely on adolescent manipulative personal attacks.
            If I was a Liberal, I’d keep my mouth shut so that people only thought I was ignorant, instead of opening it and proving the ignorance.

      • michigan patriot

        Dave you forgot the mustang ranch in nevada that was seized for back taxes a multimillion dollar business that the government couldn’t even run and make a profit so after 1 year of trying but failing it was sold to a private business owner that wanted to preserve it as it was the oldest brothel around at a cot of 1.5 million to move all the buildings and renovate them he was making money hand over fist within the first month. Pretty bad when the gov can’t even run the nations most famous whorheouse. You would think that a bunch of prostitutes (politicians)would be able to do it

        • Flashy

          Actually Michigan…when the gov’t seized it, it placed it for auction and published the SEC information on the operations. made for pretty interesting reading in many legal and business circles. It wasn’t operating for a profit because no one wanted to go to a government run place where every transaction was recorded by the government. Employees were difficult to find. And … as you should know…all records were public records.

          Now who in the heck would go to a place of il repute if they knew a) the government was watching; b) your name was not private.

          Jeesh …

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You be the One to show us how to get off the oil teat. But you will be standing like a fool in your birthday suit.

  • Bruce D.

    I thought this a good article. I noticed China is at odds with quite a few different countries at this time to make the point that they are being very aggressive. Japan, South Korea,the Philipines, Vietnam and any other country that uses the South China Sea which they are now claiming to be theirs. They still have lustful eyes on Taiwan and of course have already taken over Tibet. While I do not think they are looking for war who knows in the future once they achieve economic superiority which is of course likely with four more years of Obama’s attack on business and national debt.

    • DaveH

      Yep, if they keep going, someday they will be as Imperialistic as the US Government is.

      • Bruce D.

        I see that you are still trying to dominate the website with a lot of mindless trite.

    • John

      Of course they have lustful eyes on Taiwan, if you read a history book, you will find that Taiwan was always considered as belonging to China, long before the dissidents of the Chinese revolution fled there.
      I would love to see anyone trying to tell us that Hawaii does not belong to the US…

      • DaveH

        For anybody who wants to get an idea of what really went on in China prior to and after WWII:
        http://mises.org/books/whileyouslept.pdf

        • Flashy

          LOL … Dave, take a few minutes and read a history book.

          • DaveH

            I guess Clowns do laugh a lot.
            You’re funny, Flashman, but only in a Troll sort of way.
            It’s odd that you’re blogging so much on the weekdays, but on the weekends you just disappear. They don’t pay you on the weekends?

  • 45caliber

    I can understand why China is willing to continue with Oblama and friends in power. Oblama is turning all of our natural resources (such as oil) over to China to cover the loans. All our rare earths now belong to China, off shore oil is promised to them, etc. If I was buying another country, I’d be happy with the seller too.

    • FreedomFighter

      they are giving up our resources plastic trinkets, frak as an American Indian I remember this from somewhere…

      Stop them now…it was a bad deal then, worst now.

      Laus Deo
      Semper fi

    • Flashy

      Dave..ya got any documentation on the rare earth claim? Or any other claim you state as ‘fact” ? LOL

      • 45caliber

        Flashy:

        Look up who now owns the only real deposit of rare earths in the US. Most of the rest of them come from China to begin with. Oblama okayed the sale of the ones here to them after he took over.

      • DaveH

        Dave?
        And you expect anybody to believe anything you say, Flashman?
        Put down that Jack, Flashman.

      • Flashy

        45…it’s well known most of the rare earth minerals come from China. Fact is, the past few years China has begun restricting the sale of those minerals for domestic uses. As to who owns the most viable source in the US… http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=234268

        BTW Dave…you couldn’t back up your claims…Mises didn’t have a link for you eh?

        • DaveH

          Flashdunce tries to recover. Weakly I might add.
          So, Flashman, you either were replying to me on 45′s reply button (pretty ignorant), or you were replying to 45 and so drunk or drugged that you thought “45″ was “DaveH”. Which was it?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Try going through the back issues of 2011 of National Geographic magazines, they may be your style of proof.

    • John

      Strange that all of “OUR” rare earths are in mines in China…boy, I did not know Obama could transplant complete mines with the ore and tunnels going 1 mile into the ground to China… Fact is, China is the producer and owner of those rare earth materials. We have only a very, very small amount of them in our own country. China’s mines produce 96% of all raw earths used in the whole world.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        This country also has rare minerals but China has no environmentalist naysayers to shut down the processes.

        • Flashy

          try againNad. 97% of the proven reserves are in China. That’s why they are called “rare Earth minerals”…they are rare. get it?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            We have rare earth metals in the USA, check with any geologists.

  • Tony N

    China’s Moving in for the Kill ; here it is the Divide plan to split the alliance between the USA and Europe that is the Binding element of the US Dollar as world trade currency.

    Now we will Get to see what becoming SERFS from a failed trade policy over the last 17 years is going to do to the USA and Europe !!!!!!!

    China’s Moving in for the Kill
    By Karim Rahemtulla, Senior Correspondent
    http://www.wallstreetdaily.com/2011/09/19/chinas-moving-in-for-the-kill/

    If you’re reading us again today, it likely means that you’re enjoying our content so far.

    Yesterday, Louis revealed his incredibly worthwhile high-yield strategy.

    And now, today, I’m hoping to hook you for good with this breaking story on China, which could be very lucrative for us down the road a bit.

    In case you hadn’t noticed, China is beginning to play hardball with the rest of the world.

    As the largest creditor nation, with over $3.2 trillion in reserves, it’s clearly in a position to do so.

    It’s no secret that China holds a big chunk of its cash in U.S. Treasuries.

    But while that may look like a threat, it’s really not. Why?

    Because if China were to “unload” Treasuries, en masse, prices would fall, and the result would be a huge fiscal loss for the nation.

    Nevertheless, believe me when I say that China will start to diversify out of Treasuries during this decade.

    You see, there’s new prey on the horizon: Europe. And China will undoubtedly pounce on the opportunity.

    Here’s how I see the action unfolding…

    The Great Euro Shopping Spree

    China’s about to embark on a massive European shopping spree. While it won’t be bidding for Greece or Italy, you can bet your bottom euro that it will be buying European debt and euros.

    It makes complete sense, too. Especially since the move quietly accomplishes several of China’s goals:

    Goal #1. It allows China to become Europe’s largest creditor nation and ensures that Europeans will become hooked on Chinese goods.

    Goal #2. It allows China to diversify outside of the U.S. dollar, and, in effect, puts a floor under a wholesale euro collapse.

    Goal #3. It forces Europe to get onboard the China train politically by giving it “favored nation” trade status earlier than it otherwise would have. It also gets greater access to European markets.

    Goal #4. It solidifies China’s position as the global economic engine of this century – and it buys the nation pride.

    Goal #5. It increases China’s political standing in the world and deflects some of the criticism it faces regularly about human rights abuses, free speech restrictions and other morally reprehensible actions. After all, it’s not wise to criticize your lender.

    Read the rest here ; http://www.wallstreetdaily.com/2011/09/19/chinas-moving-in-for-the-kill/

  • http://Personalliberty Tony

    To Everyone here:
    Whether, you want to admit it or not, we need to be on good terms with the chinese. They’re an up and coming power, it would be stupid to make war with them or even alienate them. Although, there’s things about Obama left to be desired but he was right in the fact that we should not fear a rising China. We should embrace this. Granted, i agree with Ron Paul that we have to stop being policemen of the world along with ending the failed policy of expanding the empire. However, we can’t be isolationist neither. Today’s world is a global market. So, we have to participate or get left behind. Something our society can’t afford.
    Next, with the pitiful comic who’s going to get the GOP’s nomination, Mitt Romney. You might as well look forward to another four years of Obama. When Obama debates Mitt Romney, is going to either look like Dr.King debating with a dull version of Gordon Gecko. That or Socrates having a philosophical conversation of the virtues of life with Richie Rich. The question to ask, who’s going to look more wiser? Think about that. Thanks!!
    P.S. To Dave H., Ronald Reagan, by his second term, turned out to be an excellent president. Give credit where credit is due. Thanks again!!

  • Dark Knight

    Let’s not stop with just the Chinese. I am willing to bet that Hugh Chavez, Fidel & Raul Castro, all the mosque-going types as well as the hardliners from the old Soviet-era are all salivating over the possible second term of the teleprompter-in-chief!

  • http://printing-for-profit.com Gary

    As a Canadian I told my American friends prior to the last election -”If you elect Obama I fear for your country”. They laughed.

    He has been proving my prediction correct for three years.

    On the subject at hand he has told us that “We don’t want your Oil but it is OK to sell it to China. Regarding oil he has also told us that we shouldn’t take investment from France but China is OK.

  • Kinetic1

    WHAT A CROCK! Mr. Myers, you know full well that the reason the XL pipeline runs to Texas instead of one of the many sites closer to the border is that this oil was never intended to feed the U.S. oil supply. Using anti-China sentiments as a stick to prod Americans to back this project in genius considering the Chinese will be the main beneficiaries of the new oil supply. Then again, how much of your concern is for the strength of the U.S. as opposed to the money you and your neighbors in Calgary will make if this project goes through?

    • DaveH

      Surely, Kinetic, you don’t expect the readers of this site to take the word of a Liberal? References please.

      • Flashy

        OK dave…the point wasa good one. If there is a refinery in montana…and refineries can be built as well…why does the pipeline need to go all the way to the gulf?

        It was a very good point…which of course you could not grasp the meaning of.

        • DaveH

          I simply asked for references, Flashman. If Kinetic is going to tell John Myers he’s wrong, and he might be, then I expect Kinetic to provide so kind of backup for his claim.
          If you weren’t just an ignorant Liberal, Flashman, you’d know that even if Kinetic was correct, oil is a fungible commodity and thus the price will adjust to World prices whether it is delivered directly to the United States or to some other country. But the production of more oil can only serve to lower prices worldwide, supply and demand you know.
          However, TransCanada says this:
          http://www.transcanada.com/project_information.html

          Sure, they could be lying. But if had to bet my money that a Liberal was lying, or TransCanada was lying, I’d put my money on the Liberal every time.

          • Kinetic1

            DaveH,
            Sorry for the delay. I wasn’t suggesting that Mr. Myers was wrong, I was saying that he was purposely misleading his readers. And I should have noted that China is not the only foreign market TransCanada has in mind. It’s all there in their application documents. Right now they have too much supply and not enough demand in America’s Mid-West. As a result our farmers are getting some of the lowest priced fuel in America, and TransCanada is not really happy about that.

            “Keystone XL Pipeline Section 52 Application
            Section 3: Supply and Markets
            Existing markets for Canadian heavy crude, principally PADD II, are currently
            oversupplied, resulting in price discounting for Canadian heavy crude oil. Access to the USGC via the Keystone XL Pipeline is expected to strengthen Canadian crude oil pricing in PADD II by removing this oversupply. This is expected to increase the price of heavy crude to the equivalent cost of imported crude. Similarly, if a surplus of light synthetic crude develops in PADD II, the Keystone XL Pipeline would provide an alternate market and therefore help to mitigate a price discount. The resultant increase in the price of heavy crude is estimated to provide an increase in annual revenue to the Canadian producing industry in 2013 of US $2 billion to US $3.9 billion.”

            Look up the document. Read what they have to say when they are not speaking to the press. Their goal is to use America’s refineries to expand their distribution to foreign markets. We deal with the pipeline’s environmental risks (TC does not have the best record when it comes to pipeline leaks), gas prices are driven up in the mid-west and best of all, much of the money made on these exports will be tax free. What a deal!

  • Joseph R Carreiro Sr

    Of course China is backing Obama. He is helping them in every way possible to see America in the rear view mirror as they surpass us in most capacities.Think about it. Anyone who gets elected other than Obama will give China a problem they do not want such as they will have to work much harder to pass us by as they are now.Think about again.

    • Flashy

      if you note…only the author is claiming China supports Obama’s reelection. there is no other statement to that effect.

      But then, anyone connected with the Conservative movement would not want to admit the reason China has so much of our paper is the mess the GOP and Conservative movement got us into.

      • DaveH

        You have no clue what you’re talking about, Flashman. True Conservatives would not allow the debt in the first place.
        And to ask John to provide references is laughable coming from a Liberal who never backs up his fabricated facts with references.

    • Mark M

      why not he’ll have a huge possibility to multiply his wealth by quite a number. Bama’s not dumb too hence doesn’t give a buck about economy and politics and he’s not alone as well cuz he knows who he should divide the wealth with and it’s not us unfortunately. While we’re in the Era of Middle East Crusades, China is very busy with Canadian Energy investments… What can we do? We’re busy now! And who’s actually a peasant after all?
      Open fortune cookie and learn Chinese:-)

  • Old Henry

    “Obama is the best thing to come along since one-minute rice.”
    I am assuming that would be Spanish rice.

    “Last week, Trump added to his complaints against Obama’s China policy, saying: “They’re having a field day with the United States and our leadership.”
    I was not aware we currently had any leadership.

    “Welcome to Calgary, a global epicenter for energy and home to thousands of Americans, including yours truly. Most of us transplants love it here, and why not? The politics are conservative, the economy is booming and the petroleum industry is strong.”
    Maybe so, but they have 50 weeks of winter. It’s just damned cold up there. Bring on global warming!

    The DC traitors have been busily aiding China in building their 21st Century military so why not help them build their energy sources at our country’s expense? After all, treasonous behavior seems to work so well for their benefit and re-election upon re-election by the idiots out ther e in fly-over country.

    • Mark M

      Calgary’s beautiful,
      50 weeks of winter is not even in Edmonton.

  • Roger,CanadianLibertarian

    For those who know American history, beginning with the Genocide of Native Americans ( which continues to this day),THEFT of their land, thru Slavery and on to INVASION of numerous countries,in this world for Resources and the consequent murder of MILLIONS of Men,women and children,does any THINKING,KNOWLEDGABLE person believe Chinese Imperialism/Domination could be any worse???

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Who did the Indians kill when they got here? This question should keep your puny brain busy for a while.

      • Flashy

        Ummm…Nad..i believe the continent was barren of human presence when they crossed the land bridge from Siberia.

        • 45caliber

          Flashy:

          Wrong: There were at least four groups that came across that land bridge. The Indians we knew were the last group. So there were definately people here before they arrived.

          • Blue Devil

            45caliber — Plus an additional 5th immigration by sea from the South Pacific, if Thor Heyerdahl was correct.

    • http://Personalliberty Tony

      To Roger,CanadianLibertarian:
      I hate to say this but, unfortunate as it is, you’re correct. The U.S., West, or Russia is in no position to condemn the chinese for expansionism. Thanks!!

    • DaveH

      What is your Libertarian solution, Roger?

  • citizen2000

    American universities and corporations are betraying us by giving away huge amounts of technology to China. Universities are given big loopholes in our export laws in the name of academic freedom but they abuse that freedom by enrolling ever increasing numbers of Chinese students and giving away tommorows jobs and our national security. Read more at http://www.china-threat.com

  • Don

    For liberty, freedom loving Americans, Ron Paul is the only choice. Congressman Paul would have a strong line of defense for our country, and he would’nt hesitate to use it against our enemies if necessary. He is the only candidate that protects, defends, and upholds the constitution of the U.S.. The news media delibertly shuns Dr. Paul. Not to worry, he can still be a write in candidate.

  • http://www.deathbychina.com Greg Autry

    It’s refreshing to find another libertarian who “gets it.” Too many of my freedom loving friends see “free trade” as some “right” that allows American politicians and multinational corporations to sell out our ideals and our transfer our economic and military strength to a totalitarian, socialist enemy. That’s gotta stop for our sake and for the Chinese people. If China’s national socialism is allowed to become the model for global development we will enter a new dark age.

    Greg Autry, co-author of Death by China
    Find us on Facebook at:
    http://www.facebook.com/DeathByChina

    • DaveH

      A basic belief of a Libertarian is Free Trade and Free Markets, Greg. Therefore, I believe you are misrepresenting yourself if you are posing as a Libertarian.

  • Darrel Wooton

    Kiss upto everyone but the American Voter’s is the Obama party way.This doesn’t leave much for the Voter’s, but we have the upperhand on this individual pertending to be the Commander in Chief of this beautiful USA,(we have the right to vote) chosen Christians,Flag Pledging people who still use their Right hand and not the left hand pledge like the leader and his wife we now support with $$$$.This country doesn’t have a concerned leader to depend on (so voter’s are always thinking where will the Commander cut next?), so bad planned leadership continues to put more Americans in the poor category, where Obama plans and scemes with the American Banking instutions and Gas/Oil companies, till everyone possible is on welfare and relief programs supported by the few good working Americans. HOW LONG DO YOU PLAN ON WORKING!!!!!, or better how long can you possibly hold onto your home, built to better and house and feed your beautiful family??

  • JJ

    Obama, Reid, Pelosi: ALL three of these must go!! How many times can “Illegal” immigrants vote? What a bunch of B/S!! Wake up America!! Voter reform must be initiated b/4 this election, and only actual living “Americans” can vote. “LEGAL” Voter registration is a must!!!!
    Bottom Line: He’s a chicago thug, lier, imposter, and the list can go on, and on, and on. Take out the “TRASH” in November 2012!!

  • Kelly

    I wish I were Amish and lived in Canada.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Check if the Amish take converts and good bye to you.

      • Blue Devil

        Nadzieja Batki — I lived for over 30 years in southern Missouri, and knew quite few Amish. They were all good people! They had some fine horses, also!

        • Nadzieja Batki

          I agree with you on the Amish, they are good people and it takes a lot of work to be good.

  • YeHudit

    Comes November – Help Obama & family to pack and return to Chicago!

    • http://Personalliberty Tony

      To YeHudit:
      I hate to rain on your parade but that’s not going to happen. This is because the bland comic Obama is running against won’t stand a chance. Sorry for the negativity but true. Have a good day.

      • DaveH

        It may very well be that the number of takers now outnumbers the producers. But I wouldn’t gloat about that if I were you, Tony:
        http://mises.org/daily/4125

      • Blue Devil

        Tony — Don’t bet your paycheck on it!

        • Deerinwater

          I’d be willing to make such a wager today.

          Obama will secure his second term while we thank all these hopefuls for spreading some wealth around.

          It’s only a hunch but I felt comfortable with it for sometime, there’s been nothing said, done or happen to change my mind.

          RP is the only game changer and I know many won’t like to hear it, but i just don’t see him in the winning circle. Sorry.

          http://www.stevebridges.com/obamavideos-promo-Aug-2011.html

          • Tom W.

            RP WAS nothing more than a NWO puppet! The only bigger NWO puppet is your boy Potus!!! My grandmother could win against Potus and the Republicans have failed to produce a viable candidate to run against him! GOD HAVE MERCY ON US!!!

    • Don

      better yet; let’s send him home to kenya right after his twenty + years in prison for being an imposter !!!!!

  • GRUMPY

    At the end of world war 2, when GeneralPatton wanted to keep going, first Rusia, turn right and deal with China, “We can do it now with men and material thats allready here, or have to come back and do it in the future” The then leader of communist china said “We will take over the world without firing a shot, we will beat you at your own game of capitalism” I guess nobody was listening !!!!Now 66 years later, TAKE A LOOK AROUND THE WORLD…Persistant little pricks arent they !

    • DaveH

      More like dishonest. They promise their followers great things, but never deliver.

    • 45caliber

      When I joined the Army in 1965 one of my instructors told us that if you took every man in the US who was in uniform or had ever been in uniform and compared it to the Chinese standing army (3% of their total population) alone they outnumbered us better than five to one.

      I’ve always been concerned about them ever since, more so than I ever was about Russia. And what I see now only makes me more concerned.

      • DaveH

        Yeah, it’s too bad FDR turned his head while the Russians helped the Chinese Communists to victory over Chiang’s National Government.

        • Flashy

          Criminey DaveH…fer chrissakes, get an education. Read Theodore White’s book In Search of History. It’s a very good starting point on the Communist takeover of China

          • DaveH

            Flashman,
            Are you really so ignorant as to believe that the intelligent readers of this site pay any attention at all to your personal attacks?
            Personal attacks are the hallmark of ignorant people who have no facts to go on.

        • DaveH

          Here is a Free Online Book describing the Propaganda methods of the American Progressives which led to the Communist takeover of China:
          http://mises.org/books/whileyouslept.pdf

    • Deerinwater

      GRUMPY says:
      January 18, 2012 at 12:14 pm
      At the end of world war 2, when GeneralPatton wanted to keep going, first Rusia, turn right and deal with China,

      Maybe a hard fought victory in Russia perhaps but I have serious question about China. I fear it would have been our undoing. Germany have all but exhausted her resources. Russia was battle hardened and had superior armor.

      Mother speak of WWII and how towns & cities in the US were void of able bodied fighting men. Older men, 50 and up and little boys were all that was left.

      I’m not sure that these ambitious military commanders were aware just how deep America had to dig to provide what made our victory possible.

      • Tom W.

        Hey Grump, Persistent little pricks indeed! They could still learn a thing or two from Deerindeepkimchi though!!! Back in those days our women could’ve went over there and whupped ‘em! Now all we’ve got are our GLBT commandos. We’re in trouble y’all!!!

  • Tom W.

    I know I’ve already posted this a couple of times, but if true, you can’t deny it’s importance! In case ya missed it -

    This is an email I just recieved. I knew everyone who reads this newsletter would be interested.

    Send this article to a friend:
    Audit of the Federal Reserve Reveals $16 Trillion in Secret Bailouts
    unelected.org
    The first ever GAO(Government Accountability Office) audit of the Federal Reserve was carried out in the past few months due to the Ron Paul, Alan Grayson Amendment to the Dodd-Frank bill, which passed last year. Jim DeMint, a Republican Senator, and Bernie Sanders, an independent Senator, led the charge for a Federal Reserve audit in the Senate, but watered down the original language of the house bill(HR1207), so that a complete audit would not be carried out. Ben Bernanke(pictured to the right), Alan Greenspan, and various other bankers vehemently opposed the audit and lied to Congress about the effects an audit would have on markets. Nevertheless, the results of the first audit in the Federal Reserve’s nearly 100 year history were posted on Senator Sander’s webpage earlier this morning.

    What was revealed in the audit was startling:

    $16,000,000,000,000.00 had been secretly given out to US banks and corporations and foreign banks everywhere from France to Scotland. From the period between December 2007 and June 2010, the Federal Reserve had secretly bailed out many of the world’s banks, corporations, and governments. The Federal Reserve likes to refer to these secret bailouts as an all-inclusive loan program, but virtually none of the money has been returned and it was loaned out at 0% interest. Why the Federal Reserve had never been public about this or even informed the United States Congress about the $16 trillion dollar bailout is obvious – the American public would have been outraged to find out that the Federal Reserve bailed out foreign banks while Americans were struggling to find jobs.

    To place $16 trillion into perspective, remember that GDP of the United States is only $14.12 trillion. The entire national debt of the United States government spanning its 200+ year history is “only” $14.5 trillion. The budget that is being debated so heavily in Congress and the Senate is “only” $3.5 trillion. Take all of the outrage and debate over the $1.5 trillion deficit into consideration, and swallow this Red pill: There was no debate about whether $16,000,000,000,000 would be given to failing banks and failing corporations around the world.

    In late 2008, the TARP Bailout bill was passed and loans of $800 billion were given to failing banks and companies. That was a blatant lie considering the fact that Goldman Sachs alone received 814 billion dollars. As is turns out, the Federal Reserve donated $2.5 trillion to Citigroup, while Morgan Stanley received $2.04 trillion. The Royal Bank of Scotland and Deutsche Bank, a German bank, split about a trillion and numerous other banks received hefty chunks of the $16 trillion.

    “This is a clear case of socialism for the rich and rugged, you’re-on-your-own individualism for everyone else.” – Bernie Sanders (I-VT)

    When you have conservative Republican stalwarts like Jim DeMint(R-SC) and Ron Paul(R-TX) as well as self identified Democratic socialists like Bernie Sanders all fighting against the Federal Reserve, you know that it is no longer an issue of Right versus Left. When you have every single member of the Republican Party in Congress and progressive Congressmen like Dennis Kucinich sponsoring a bill to audit the Federal Reserve, you realize that the Federal Reserve is an entity onto itself, which has no oversight and no accountability.

    Americans should be swelled with anger and outrage at the abysmal state of affairs when an unelected group of bankers can create money out of thin air and give it out to megabanks and supercorporations like Halloween candy. If the Federal Reserve and the bankers who control it believe that they can continue to devalue the savings of Americans and continue to destroy the US economy, they will have to face the realization that their trillion dollar printing presses will eventually plunder the world economy.

    The list of institutions that received the most money from the Federal Reserve can be found on page 131 of the GAO Audit and are as follows..

    Citigroup: $2.5 trillion ($2,500,000,000,000)
    Morgan Stanley: $2.04 trillion ($2,040,000,000,000)
    Merrill Lynch: $1.949 trillion ($1,949,000,000,000)
    Bank of America: $1.344 trillion ($1,344,000,000,000)
    Barclays PLC (United Kingdom): $868 billion ($868,000,000,000)
    Bear Sterns: $853 billion ($853,000,000,000)
    Goldman Sachs: $814 billion ($814,000,000,000)
    Royal Bank of Scotland (UK): $541 billion ($541,000,000,000)
    JP Morgan Chase: $391 billion ($391,000,000,000)
    Deutsche Bank (Germany): $354 billion ($354,000,000,000)
    UBS (Switzerland): $287 billion ($287,000,000,000)
    Credit Suisse (Switzerland): $262 billion ($262,000,000,000)
    Lehman Brothers: $183 billion ($183,000,000,000)
    Bank of Scotland (United Kingdom): $181 billion ($181,000,000,000)
    BNP Paribas (France): $175 billion ($175,000,000,000)
    and many many more including banks in Belgium of all places

    View the 266-page GAO audit of the Federal Reserve(July 21st, 2011): http://www.scribd.com/doc/60553686/GAO-Fed-Investigation

    Source: http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-11-696
    FULL PDF on GAO server: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11696.pdf
    Senator Sander’s Article: http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3

    www. unelected.org

  • Rennie

    Four years ago it was Chavez, Castro, Putin, Ahmadinnerjacket and his North Korean twin who wanted Obama elected in the first place, that should have been an obvious clue, but the newsmedia were all too busy drooling or getting a “tingle in their leg”. He hands the space station over to Putin, leaves the military and intelligence services as gutted as Clinton did, does nothing about the loss of top secret military intelligence to our enemies (like Clinton=Bernie Schwartz=Loral=China’s new ICBMs). By increasing our national debt beyond our GDP he has ensured we will be under China’s yoke. I have to wonder if the awkward speeches he has made is because the people typing it into his teleprompter were sitting in China?

  • Dave Bishop

    I am confused. Canada is second only to Saudi Arabia in oil reserves? That goes against a report a short time ago -from where I can’t remember- that America’s oil reserves are more than any other country in the world. We know, also, that abandoned oil wells around the south are refilling. Some of them are producing once more. If our esteemed president were to approve the drilling, we would not be dependent on anyone for fossil fuel. Between the coal and the oil in this country, we would be totally self-sufficient, add Canada into the mix and we would be the dominant continent for power, including water power. Only one tinpot dictator stands in the way. We can only hope that he will be sent back to Chicago where he can schmooze with his cronies and make millions off his memoirs.

    • 45caliber

      Dave:

      You are correct. We not only have more than any other country in the world, we have more than most other countries of the world combined! Depending upon which report you see, Saudi and other mid-East countries actually do not have that much left any more. The last I heard was that they only have about 15% of what they started with. I doubt if that will last much longer. And I suspect they feel the same since they are determined to invest in many foreign companies as a result. The problem with our oil is that our government does NOT want us to drill and use it. While they give many reasons (it might be spilled and ruin the environment!) what I’ve heard and believe is that most of our oil has been mortgaged to borrow the money we need to run our government. So they can’t touch it without having loans called.

  • Howard C

    Chill up, you yanks! It must be terrible living with a realisation of America’s decline and vulnerability, which is through your own making. You stuffed it up big time. You live beyond your means; you declare unnecessary foreign wars e.g. Iraq; you elect corrupt and self serving politicians and leaders; you have a bunch of greedy and unethical bankers running unchecked in Wall Street etc. The way your Congress functions is a joke! It is all too convenient to blame the illegal migrants, and of course, China for all your ills. Put your own house in order and put your good old American entrepreneurial spirit into action again. You will then have your rightful place in the world by gaining due respect from the world.
    Howard C, Sydney, Australia.

    • FreedomFighter

      Yes we let the communist and socialist gain power, we were sold out to the central bankers and are now being looted.

      What you have to ask yourselves downunder is:

      When America falls, what is stopping China from overrunning that island of yours in about 3 days flat? The entire free world has a steak in what happens in America, because if America falls into darkness by turning into a communist cess pool ant heap of totalitarian repression…

      the world falls into the same darkness.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Howard C

        The free world wishes America well!

        • Tom W.

          You need to take a good long walkabout mate! If not for us, y’all, (that’s southern redneck ya know.)would be speaking Japanese!!! Tell us to get our house in order?! Didn’t I see you at that gay pride parade in Sidney? How about y’all taking California off our hands for us? It’s the least you could do ya know!

    • Don

      Howard i kinda have to agree to some degree, but remember your words, if we go down so does all the free world, and you can take that to your kangaroo bank !!!!

      • Howard C

        The free wolrd wishes America well!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You should talk. Australia is not doing too well economically either.

      • Howard C

        Yes! The minerals we dig up from our ground and sea help us for now. They will run out one day. Then what? At present, many Australian graduates especially in technology and engineering find and do work in China because the development activities are there.

        • Tom W.

          Don,t patronize this British delinquent Claire!

    • http://deleted Claire

      Howard C– I am inclined to agree with you.

      • http://deleted Claire

        Howard C– My response pertains to your post at 1:07 p.m.

  • rolf e. niebergall

    get the facts: after WWll no war for the US was won anymore! this wining about Obama is sickening. the president before him did not do such a good job. he took his office on with a big plus and left his office with a big minus! where did all the money disappear? what he left was not to great, mainly the two wasted wars! Obama care? why do we have to be behind of other nations? in Germany, 1871, count Bismark, not hardly a socialist, introduced something similar to “Obama care”. just let us make it better! did Obama win the presidency ok? beside a proven birth-
    certificate is there something else wrong? who is the president of the USA? do the Republicans have a different president? let’s help the young man in his difficult office!

    • 45caliber

      rolf:

      First, the reason we haven’t won a war since WWII is that the politicians didn’t want us to win one. They have worked hard to turn any chance of a win into a defeat.

      Second, the “young man” you talk about as president is totally ineffectual. He has turned his entire job over to others, none of whom have any interest in aiding the US. There is no way we can help him since he has too much “help” as it is. And the choices he recommends are those that cause us much more problems. We need to cut spending to get it under control – not continue to borrow. We need to stop all the “give-away” programs, whether to individuals, companies, or other countries so we can get some control of our spending. We cannot continue to enlarge the government when we can’t afford to pay the ones we have there now. While some of his ideas may be of use, if we cannot afford them then we must wait until we can. That isn’t now. I don’t blame him for all our debt, but he certainly hasn’t help any to reduce it. And, since he has proven he can’t, it is time to replace him with someone else who might.

  • Larry

    obama was bought and paid for by the commi-chinks!

  • David Warheit

    I get it. Voting is really simple: just ask, “who would China like to win” and then vote for the other guy. Puppeteering at its worst.

    • Deerinwater

      win what?

      • Tom W.

        Yo mama!!!

  • FreedomFighter

    Confiscation and Inflation

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DRcjp7_Iaks

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • Bob Marshall

    The US has lost 32% of its manufacturing jobs since 2000. An average of 50,000 per month since China joined the World Trade Organization.

  • Daniel from TN

    A Communist country and long time enemy of the United States endorses obama? That alone should raise a warning flag!!!

  • Steve Johnson

    “Unfortunately Prime Minister Harper of Canada just this week said because of the volatile indecisiveness on the part of this president, that they feel they are being held hostage and they will take their energy elsewhere specifically to Asia and China,” Jack Gerard, president and CEO of the American Petroleum Institute, told Fox News Radio.

    Industry source tells Fox News that the State Department will reject the construction of an oil pipeline from Canada to Texas.

    In December, Congress attached to the payroll tax cut a deadline of 60 days for the State Department to determine approval for an alternative route. A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner pointed out that the legislation doesn’t permit the State Department to reject the plan, only President Obama. The language says if he rejects the pipeline, Obama must then issue a report to Congress “that provides a justification for determination, including consideration of economic, employment, energy security, foreign policy, trade and environmental factors.”

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/18/industry-source-state-department-will-reject-keystone-pipeline-reroute/#ixzz1jqQmzLCf

  • don

    DON”T BLAME CHINA!!!
    Awakening citizens find they not only lost their sovereignty and rights to limitless US resources, free enterprise, productivity, and wealth, to global monopolists; but they’re in bondage, owing trillions that corrupted government officials “borrowed” and “spent” without oversight or ability and intent to repay! National sovereignty under God and Constitution disintegrates as global monopolist controlled officials defile and mock Constitution and Biblical Covenants, by legislation, regulation, and judicial edict!

    Unmistakably, global monopolists freely plunder this country and freedom because “their” corrupted government officials enable and protect them instead of citizens and country. Their “contract with America,” NAFTA, etc.., methodically eliminated international trade/finance restrictions and anti-trust/predatory pricing laws.

    Government officials report $15 trillion debt; while snickering about another $62 trillion hidden “unfunded debt”. If debt is debt, it’s $77 trillion! If average $40K fully funded 15.3% Social Security-Medicare contributions @5% ROI matured at $1,000,000+ and 300,000,000 citizens were half funded, “trust” funds would be $150+ trillion, not hopelessly negative! Retiree benefits are paid by BORROWED GENERAL FUNDS PLUS CURRENT WORKER “INVESTMENTS”, NOT RESERVED SAVINGS! The monopolist media protects this vile crime.

    Zero Fed rates guarantee zero capital investment. With runaway inflation, US retirements and savings are plundered just like SSI! (A 1965 dollar is worth 14 cents!) While officials pander tolerance and compromise as virtues, they “obligate” citizens to unsecured loans, steal the money, and then leave citizens and future generations in hopeless debt bondage!

    Rivers of debt money, treasury deposits, & counterfeit money swirl within T bills and Fed funds; funneling in and out of financial empires, socialist toilets, China, political supporters, and enemy nations. Zero interest Fed funds and negative ROI “T-Bills” are like “punks” stealing your car and leaving it destroyed and stripped in a ditch. Wouldn’t global monopolists loan your “free money” to you for 30+% plus endless credit card fees? How many commission billions went to global investment bankers, bond brokers, and housing bubblers! Millions of jobs with trillions worth of US infrastructure disappeared and reappeared “new” in China and elsewhere. Tax free GE “job czars” are bulldozing USA X-ray infrastructure while spending $2 billion to rebuild in China. Record bankruptcies and bank failures stripped American investors, while “too big to fail’ global monopolists used taxpayer bailouts to swallow them as if nothing happened!

    Federal courts and regulatory agencies openly give global financial monopolists Constitutional immunity! (Ref. Amendments 4, 5, 6, 7, etc… Websites: American Bankers Association & their union members, ID theft… FTC and protection providers… ten million victims ravaged @ $50+ billion annually. Undeniably, citizens are guilty until proven innocent (and subservient)!

    Alliances of Communist China, global monopolists, and corrupt dictatorial officials control our resources and lives because we don’t “trust” God or ourselves! Unanimous legislative approval to poison SSI and deny Canadian oil pipelines defines absolute monopolist media power.

    Legislatures can stop monopolies and regulators; impeach presidents and judges; and prosecute government corruption. Budgets authorize spending. Restoring freedom and prosperity requires removing US legislators who allow any spending without budget! THERE IS NO BUDGET, accountability, restraint, or consequence! It’s wanton malfeasance that invites “Bondage and captivity”! Pass it on.

    Don MacDermid

  • Dale

    You’re all crazy right-wing, gun-toting, homophobes that will take this country back to a feudal system.

    • Tom W.

      And it’s folks like you we got the phobes about!

  • Airangel

    Obama is an incompetent, on-the-job training lackey! I’m sick to death of Reid, Pelosi, Axlerod, Holder (who should be fired already)…they all are a cancer in America! I’m also sick of the spineless Repubs…the world has gone insane on drugs, toxins and hallucinogens! Welcome to the darkness of greed, power and sell-outs! Right now my bumper sticker is “Anybody but Obama”

    • Tom W.

      Don’t forget about Nepolitano and Clapper, talk about incompetence in it’s highest degree!!! But the ‘system works’, huh Janet?! Talk about a dodo bird!

  • Airangel

    A gallon of regular gasoline the day Obama was inaugurated was $1.79 on average in the U.S. Today that price is $3.59, a 100.6% increase. The number of food stamp recipients has risen since Obama took office from 31,983,716 to 43,200,878, a 35.1% jump. Long term unemployment soared 146.2% during the same 32 month period from 2,600,000 to 6,400,000. Staggering hope and change isn’t it?

    American citizens living in poverty have risen 9.5% from 39,800,000 to 43,600,000, and the number of unemployed has jumped almost 25% from 11,616,000 to 14,485,000 as of August 31, 2011. The number of unemployed blacks has risen from 12.6% at the end of George Bush’s term to 15.8% today, a 25.4% increase, and finally, our national debt is up 34.4% from 10.627 trillion to 14,278 trillion *

    Keep these figures in mind as we recount the number of firsts for this presidency:

    First President to refuse to show a valid birth certificate.
    First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.
    First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.
    First President to preside over a cut to the credit rating of the United States .
    First President to violate the War Powers Act.
    First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico .
    First President to defy a Federal Judges court order to cease implementing the Health Care Reform Law.
    First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.
    First President to spend a trillion dollars on shovel-ready jobs and later admit there was no such thing as shovel-ready jobs.
    First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.
    First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.
    First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S. , including those with criminal convictions.
    First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.
    First President to terminate Americas ability to put a man in space.
    First President to encourage racial discrimination and intimidation at polling places.
    First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.
    First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.
    First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly speak-out on the reasons for their rate increases.
    First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state they are allowed to locate a factory. (Boeing)
    First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN)
    First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.
    First President to fire an inspector general of Ameri-corps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.
    First President to appoint 45 Czars to replace elected officials in his office.
    First President to golf 73 separate times in his first two and a half years in office.
    First President to hide his medical, educational and travel records.
    First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.
    First President to coddle American enemies while alienating Americas allies.
    First President to publicly bow to Americas enemies while refusing to salute the U.S. Flag.
    First President to go on multiple global apology tours.
    First President to go on 17 lavish vacations, including date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends, paid for by the taxpayer.
    First President to refuse to wear the U.S. Flag lapel pin.
    First President to have 22 personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.
    First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000.00 a year at taxpayer expense.

    Remember that 32 months of Obama White House we the people have accumulated national debt at a rate more than 27 times as fast as during the rest of our nation’s entire history, as the Obama’s plan their next extravagant vacation to the Indonesian Island nation of Bali .

    * sources: U.S. Energy Information Administration, Wall Street Journal, Bureau of Labor Statistics, US Dept of Labor, Standard & Poors/Case-Shiller, Federal Reserve, US Treasury, Heritage Foundation

    • Thinking About

      If your reasoning is correct then gas was over $4 in the summer of 2008 and just the election of Obama brought gas to under $2 a gallon. With this event it was very good for USA to have Obama elected.

      • libertytrain

        I thought it was cause obama released our gas reserves back in June 2011 – had nothing to do with him accomplishing anything other than to tap into RESERVES to bring down prices since people weren’t driving as much….there are so many links out there about this…It was interesting – he ignored his own stance on conserving energy…
        “Some critics think tapping the Strategic Petroleum Reserve betrays his lofty rhetoric about energy.”

  • libertarian58

    As China moves toward capitalism, they get more powerful, as the U.S. moves toward communism, we get weaker. China would love to see us become weaker, so obama is their MAN.

  • Dave

    Rejecting Canadian oil might have something to do with that lip-lock the US oil industry has on the Saudi Shieks. Most of the terrorist funding comes from Saudi Arabia yet the US insists on buying their oil.

  • pat conley

    “They have set their sights on global domination and one of their biggest allies is Obama.”———-They, no doubt have many allies in congress on both sides of the political spectrum. Many, if not all, are current republican presidential hopefuls.

  • Greg

    China is also waiting for the U.S. to turn down the pipeline with Canada.

  • john

    send the middle east and china a gift, in the form of a few neutron bombs. this will assuredly get their attention. we must stop playing around with these maggotts. send obama over there strapped to one of our gifts.

  • Thinking About

    I have been wondering for some years if China continues with their lust for pollution and manage to kill their population then is the USA going to have to pay theironey back?

  • ROGER, Canadian Libertarian

    TONY, my solution is simple- SUPPORT any individual or group (s) who wishes to RID us of the Establishment. For those who have NOT done their homework, the ESTABLISHMENT begins with The British Royal Family, The Masons, the Rothschlds and the Vatican.They OWN your country via the incorporation of the UNITED STATES in 1871 and the the formation of the “Fed” in 1913

    I DID my part by being a forming member of the Libertarian Party of Canada and I still do my part by atempting to stimulate thought with my writings.

    My immediate suggestion is support ANONYMOUS and learn more about Libertarianism

    • DaveH

      Establishment or not, Real Libertarians believe in Small Government.
      You seem to be more of an Iconoclast to me, Roger.
      Yes, we all know the Indians suffered great persecution. But that’s long since passed, so what is your point in bringing it up? All we can do now is try to prevent such Big Government abuse from occurring in the future (and present).

  • ROGER, Canadian Libertarian

    Sorry Tony, I should have addressed my message to “DaveH”

  • DaveH

    Oh, the games they play. This is the list of votes for S.365 on August 1, 2011 which contained the Debt Ceiling increase:
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll690.xml

    • DaveH

      And this is the list of votes for HR Res 98 (non-binding resolution) expressing disapproval for the President to raise the debt ceiling further:
      http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll004.xml
      You know, non-binding, like when parents tell their kid for the 2nd or 3rd time “if you do that again, I’m going to spank”.
      The significant thing is that a large number of the Representatives, who voted FOR the increase in August when they actually had some power to stop it, have voted to verbally spank Obama’s hand if he raises it again. Don’t let these creepy people fool you. It’s just one of the many games they play to appear to their constituents to be fiscally conservative when in fact they are Free Spenders of your money. The vote that counted was the August vote. If they didn’t vote “Nay” in August, throw those suckers out of office in November 2012.

  • ROGER, Canadian Libertarian

    I have made my point “DaveH”.

    It is up to you to Understand, interpret or misread or misunderstand.

    I can’t help you more than I have done.

    • DaveH

      And vague points they were.
      Why didn’t you reply by picking my reply button so the readers can keep better track of the context of your post?

  • http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

    The mistake the USA made was electing Obama in the first place. The trick now is how to get rid of him and unfortunately that is not going to happen so do as best you can for the next 20 years or so since that looks like all we have left and Obama will remain in charge for that period. Sorry to burst your bubble. Amen.

  • Tom W.

    FLASH!!! Rick Santorum beat Mitt Romney in the Iowa Caucus! According to the Des Moines Register Rick won by a total of 34 votes, but are officially calling it a split decision. But I believe it will turn out to be crushing Romney.

  • steve

    what ever happened to running laws passed we the people for the ok?

  • keep one eye open
  • Tom W.

    Now Rick Perry has bailed! GOODBYE and GOOD RIDDANCE to the NWO puppet!!!

  • Bob M

    You would have to be an idiot to discount China’s global ambitions
    Well if that’s what it takes, we shure picked the right man for the job

    • Tom W.

      That’s our beloved POTUS! Just look at his picture at the top of the page!!! Ahsoooo….

  • Mary

    I guess the dirty tar sands advocates enjoy seeing children with bald heads due to chemo – they never live long lives even if they go in remission. Come into the 21st century and new clean technology – subsidize that!

    They make the profits, we get the cancers

  • Rich

    I’ve been reading the commentary about China with great interest. I think if everyone checks their history the USA / China love affair started with Richard Nixon’s presidency and his visit to China. Our school systems also started to fall apart during his term in office. He down played the importance of science education in particular.

  • Rich

    Obama was elected to prove we are not prejudiced, now it’s time to get rid of him to prove we are not stupid!

  • Jim

    Vote Obama?? I am. I am. I am. Rich says, “We are not stupid”.Has he taken a good look at this bunch of backstabbers, fornicators and “tax cuts for the rich only laughing stock idiots campaigning for the GNP “grand nitwit party” nomination????? Other countries must be laughing their heads off. Or else ringing their hands and worrying that there are enough idiots in this country to actually put one of these bimbo’s in office.

  • http://MSN JAMES SKARSTEN

    President Obama is no dummy, either. Agree wholeheartedly with President Obama’s economic policies regarding China. Historically, China backs nations who are willing to promote Chinese interests as the United States is hoping Israel will resolve the Iran issues, the Serian dissidents will stabilize the Syrian situation, and Japan will tackle North Korea.

    Aggression is never a good policy in any event.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    It’s also my guess that China would be very happy to see the guy you naively support, Ron ‘Wrong’ Paul, elected POTUS. Judging by ‘Wrong’ Paul’s comments on Osama Bin Laden, he may be even worse than Obama on foreign policy. Can you imagine this McGovern-like fool debating BHO on foreign policy?? LOL!! BHO could probably beat Wrong Paul without a teleprompter!! Of course, if it’s of any consolation to you, I will agree that Ron Paul may be somewhat better than BHO and the RINO Mitt Obam-ney on economic and constitutional issues. BUT, although I would vote for any GOP nominee, or even my brother’s dog or cat over Obama, I will continue to write comments and speak out as much as possible against the two worst GOP lemons – Ron ‘Wrong’ Paul and the RINO Mitt Obamney. The 2012 election is so critical to save America that nominating Paul or Obamney will be a foolish mistake.

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