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Karl Rove Denies Foreign Funding Allegations, Says Democrats’ Attacks Help GOP

October 26, 2010 by  

Karl Rove denies foreign funding allegations, says Democrats' attacks help GOPThe controversy surrounding alleged foreign money being used to finance the midterm elections is heating up. Recently, a coalition of watchdog groups has sent a letter to the Department of Justice (DOJ) demanding that it investigate organizations that may be violating campaign finance laws.

The watchdog groups — under the banner of ProtectOurElections.org — have complained that organizations such as Crossroads GPS and the American Future Fund are knowingly violating certain provisions of the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA), including failing to register as a political committee, file financial disclosure reports as such and comply with organizational requirements.

Kevin Zeese, attorney and spokesman for the coalition, said that contrary to conventional wisdom, which says that the Federal Elections Commission can only impose civil sanctions for campaign finance violations, FECA provides for criminal sanctions that can be enforced by the DOJ.

Yet, the charges have been consistently denied by Karl Rove, who acts as an advisor and a fundraiser for Crossroads GPS. He said that there is "not one shred of evidence" for the criticism leveled by Democrats that Rove, Ed Gillespie and the United States Chamber of Commerce channeled any foreign money to spend on political ads.

Rove called the allegations "a desperate political ploy by the White House," and added that it is helping the GOP rather than hurting it because it drives more people to conservative websites where they can donate money. 

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  • David

    That’s really nice, liberals, even if it is true it is a drop in the bucket compared to what obummer got from the axis of evil. Investigate both and punishment shall be a function of $ raised illegally. OUCH

  • Barb

    The dems will lie about their own Mothers if it would help their cause. I wonder how much money the DNC has gotten illegally for this election and especially the last election as well. Then of course there’s all those votes from the dead people for the dems, and the ones that voted early and often. The Dems saying that the Republicans are getting illegal funding is like the pot calling the kettle black wouldn’t you say? AND no dems that is NOT a racist comment, it’s cookware idiots.

    • HFlashman

      Wow….just when I thought this Board could not reach any higher to levels of anti Americanism and move any closer to outright support for goals of terrorists in destroying what this Nation stands for …. new heights are reached.

      Foreign monies are likely, probably, odds on…pouring in and being spent against those candidates who would place America first and foreign interests second…and the first two posts on this Board are damning those who want this stopped and investigated.

      So, what we have are posts in previous threads stating the American Auto ndustry should have been allowed to be destroyed. We have posts from people in full support of tax breaks for companies who ship oyur jobs overseas. We have posts who demand that the US cease foreign aid and assistance to long standing allies. We have posts demanding the US go to war against our neighbor to the south. Who support walls around us keeping us in and others out.

      Unbelievable.

      Is there no floor to the lows the TPers and radical Right posting on this Board can go in supporting everything anti American ?

      • JC

        Flashdance….you of all people have absolutley no room to call anyone Anti-American. You are the penultimate Marxist around here and know nothing of what it means to be an American.

        • HFlashman

          LOL … from what I can read, no one is saying i err in any of the writings I post. there have been a few which interpret some facts and episodes differently…those i respect and consider. but folks like Barb etc? Jeesh….they wouldn’t know how to deal with facts. Lala Land is where they’re at. Thus, they resort ot name calling and defensive rantings.

      • Barb

        YOU are the socialist, marxist, ANTI-AMERICAN you SOB!!!! How can you say the Tea Party or any conservative or anti-liberal is un-American????? You are hitting the drugs early today pal! The money is coming from US the fed up Patriotic Americans trying to save what’s left of our country, you blind, brain dead pawn!!!

        • Bob Wire

          hmm? well Karl seems to be enjoying the attention. He’s been absent in several news cycles.

          If there has been laws violated, I would think everyone would want to know about it.

          as for all the name calling and “all democrats lie” I take into consideration where I’m at and ignore it.

          • Barb

            Laws have been violated since 2008 by the democratic party and primarily Osama Obama. Nothing and I MEAN nothing has been done about any of that! We would LOVE to see justice done so let’s start with Osama Obama and all his bunch and then move on from there. With the laws he broke we could be rid of him for good and he could be down where he belongs!

          • Bob Wire

            Well perhaps Barb, but to date it’s not been proven to the degree any Judge would entertain the notion of hearing the case.

            Since you seem willing to employ tit of tat, why not just consider it a dangling “chad” and move on?

            Or we could digress to the wrong of wrongs and the “Trail of Tears”

          • Barb

            Let’s do the trail of tears was wrong too but we need a starting point and I say Osama Obama Is #1!

          • eddie47d

            More words of wisdom from Conservative champions. Old “Slick” is ready to kill all opposition to further your agenda. Barb is as confused as a squirrel hit by a car;with her slander and name calling. I see alot of vampires are out this Halloween season. Are the voodo dolls coming out next?

          • Claire

            Laws have been violated for the past 30-50 years. This is nothing new. They will continue to be violated regardless of who is elected into office. The politicians will always find “loopholes” and other “methods” to get around issues. Voting for someone “different” will not cure this problem. We as Americans must do something ourselves if we want this stopped.
            Regarding the Tea parties–they appear to be taken over by the Republican party. This has disappointed me, because I was hoping the tea parties would remain neutral. What about the candidates from other parties? There surely are some good candidates out there but they don’t have the money to run. Why doesn’t the Tea Party consider any of these people? I went to 2 tea parties, I will never attend another one. The parties I went to promote Republicans only, plus the RINOs.

        • Claire

          Good grief.

        • HFlashman

          Let’s see…how ca I say TPers and wacked Right ar anti-American. Well….few things hey support or do are anything but anti-American. How’s that for an answer Barb?

          Election intimidation, ending the safety net for our Seniors, lying on lies about the policies concerning the Stimulus, Energy, Foreign Policy, Health Care etc (there are some bad areas of those policies…but to date TPers and the wacked ignore that aspect and are wayyyy overboard). Supporting voter intimidation, racism, religious persecution, class warfare and welfare for Big Corporations and the wealthy whilst hammering on the working man.

          Vocal supporters of changing our US Constitution, yelling to have that hallowed document turn and twisted beyond all recognition, urging the strongest restraints on our liberties and freedoms. Abosolutely encouraging rule by overthrowing the elections. Showing up at campaigns, coffeee houses (Starbucks), Presidential speeches..packing armor (who the hell is packing guns everywhere? And you find that admirable?).

          And on and on.

          This is’t to lump all GOP members into that catagory. But the extremism which has taken control of the GOP has pushed them aside.

          TPers and the wacked right? Under no definition but one created in their own warped minds can they be called patriotic to this Nation.

      • slickporsche

        HOw about forcing us to have health insurance? Isn’t that anti-American? Would you like me to go on? Do not worry dear liberal,if the votes don’t work, the bullets will. Be prepared for a revolution against anything liberal, and death.

        • Bob Wire

          ” Do not worry dear liberal,if the votes don’t work, the bullets will.”

          I consider that very threaten and sick talk coming from anyone over the age of 18.

          You represent the ? in the Tea Party and do all American’s a disservice with such talk.

          It would be my hope the moderator takes you to task over such a comment.

        • HFlashman

          Slick…you proved my point. About as anti American as anyone can get is to say they will ignore elections and support armed insurrection overthrowing the elected government of the United States. What…you changed your programmers from the wacked Right to go over to be programmed by terrorists?

          To top it off..you state the health care item of mandating insurance for everyone. Seems strategies are too complex for you as well as telling us you are taking history lessons from Glenn Beck eh? (Psst….you should read how Eisenhauer dealt with McCarthy and that should give you a clue as to how that mandate was passed and why it was passed ….)

          Jeesh …

      • DavidL

        HFlashman,
        I share your view here. Please try to save some of your breath with many who post here. As that comic says, “you can’t fix stupid.”

        There is one way to settle the question of foreign money. Release the names and amounts from ALL contributors NOW. Rove won’t do that, of course, and we all know why.

        Republican foreign money in this election is giving new meaning to the phrase “buy American.” We are back in the days of Watergate but on steroids! If American citizens fall for this con once again, then they deserve everything they are going to get.

        • 45caliber

          I don’t have a problem with releasing the names of all contributors – as long as it is ALL contributors … those to the Dems too. And since I can’t see the Dems volunteering to do that, I can’t get too excited when the GOP doesn’t either.

        • Brad

          DavidL,

          Hi, I see you are showing your liberal/progressive side this morning, siding with a socialist/anti-American like hflashman. Wasn’t it during the Clinton’s reign then Obama initial campaign, China was funneling money to them and when cought they returned their foreign money. Seems to me some of their foreign fundraisers are now in jail and from both parties.

          Please don’t sit here and try to blame one party without putting the blame on the other because they are both to blame, right now the only thing we want is the truth. By the way, “YOU CAN’T FIX STUPID” on your side of the fence either!

          • Winnie

            Brad, well said, well put.

          • Claire

            Brad– I agree–you can’t fix the fence on either side. None of them are concerened with “fixing” the problems of America. At this time, all they want is to be elected/re-elected however way they can. They will “worry” about the problems later. It remains to be seen how many of them actually DO the “fixing.”

        • Brad

          David I see 45calibers point, you need to press the left to dievulge their list of contributers just like the right should.

      • 45caliber

        flashy:

        Considering that there are only TWO countries we DON’T give money to (Monte Carlo is one, the other is smaller), it seems that we are giving money to more than just our allies. In fact, of the top ten to receive money, all but one are Communist. So I have no problem cutting those funds at all.

        • HFlashman

          45

          Hokayyy…so here’s the Top 15 for 2003..followed by the 2010 Foreign Aid budget and 2011 Requested Aid budget.

          Now which ones are “Communist” (just so we are all clear how far wacked you truly are )

          The following fifteen countries are the top recipients of U.S. Foreign Aid for fiscal year 2003, the most recent year of data available.
          1) Iraq – $18.44 billion
          2) Israel – $2.62 billion
          3) Egypt – $1.87 billion
          4) Afghanistan – $1.77 billion
          5) Colombia – $570 million
          6) Jordan – $560 million
          7) Pakistan – $390 million
          8) Liberia – $210 million
          9) Peru – $170 million
          10) Ethiopia – $160 million
          11) Bolivia – $150 million
          12) Turkey – $150 million
          13) Uganda – $140 million
          14) Sudan – $140 million
          15) Indonesia – $130 million

          FY2010 Est. FY2011 Request

          Afghanistan $4,102.1 Afghanistan $3,923.7
          Israel $2,775.0 Pakistan $3,053.6
          Pakistan $1,806.9 Israel $3,000.0
          Haiti $1,778.8 Egypt $1,558.0
          Egypt $1,555.7 Iraq $729.3
          Iraq $1.116.8 Kenya $714.0
          Jordan $843.0 Jordan $682.7
          Mexico $757.7 Nigeria $647.7
          Kenya $687.7 South Africa $586.1
          Nigeria $614.7 Ethiopia $583.5

          • 45caliber

            Flash:

            Consider your sources. The one I saw included ALL funds and goods given out. India receives billions in grain each year to feed their people. But it isn’t offically cash so it doesn’t show up. There are other similar things. For instance, the World Bank is funded almost entirely by the US. Any country can get a “loan” at no interest and no time to pay it back. Again, that’s foreign aid. When you add in all the things like that, these figures change – big time. And forget Iraq. That is all done through defense. While it is certainly real, it comes at a different reason that just giving away money.

          • HFlashman

            And that list is? C’mon 45..you’re being called to Man Up. We know for one …India is considered a Communist Nation. What are the other 9 ?

    • Mick

      Barb says:
      October 26, 2010 at 9:21 am
      The dems will lie about their own Mothers if it would help their cause. I wonder how much money the DNC has gotten illegally for this election and especially the last election as well. Then of course there’s all those votes from the dead people for the dems, and the ones that voted early and often. The Dems saying that the Republicans are getting illegal funding is like the pot calling the kettle black wouldn’t you say? AND no dems that is NOT a racist comment, it’s cookware idiots.

      **************************
      Barb…Oh Boy ! did you ever hit the nail on the head.
      The masters of deceptions are at it again, their camp are champions at everything that can possibly be illegal and immoral but as usual they manage to convince many that the other side is the evil ones.
      I knew we had many people mentally challenged but i had hoped that the percentage was lower, God help us common sense ones …

    • eddie47d

      Karl Rove says these complaints are driving people to conservative websites. With Republicans it’s always follow the money. Democrats need to take a lesson from them and get on board that gravy train. American Crossroads receives money from the Chamber of Commerce and I see their political ads on the news channels quite often. I always look to see who sponsors these ads and so far no union ads. So who really has the money and power in America.

  • American Citizen

    This is nothing more than the POT calling the kettle black.

  • s c

    In plain English, when a group has a name like ‘Protect Our Elections,’ does that mean Democrats and other vermin are obsessed with winning elections at all costs? It reminds me of retarded groups like ‘People for the American Way’ or ‘MoveOn’ or the ACLU.
    A self-made retard group is a self-made retard group, folks. They’re in it for the MONEY and the POWER, regardless of what the miserable BASTARDS claim.
    While I’m no fan of Rove, he’s right this time. The Dems and the rest of that perverse ilk are determined to hang on to their newly-found POWER because they know this may be their LAST chance to destroy America. DUMP the sociopathic trash.
    Enforce the laws (whether The Obummer or Holder the Stooge want it done or not). It’s bad enough that we have a hard time ridding ourselves of useless, elected scum. America can’t afford to have groups that specialize in protecting SCUM via questionable election methods.
    Up the rebels!

    • eddie47d

      I think you have the vermin market cornered this time sc. Before you do your usual barking at the left you need to take on the scum on the right. I’d hate to see you overdose on the Right’s swill and questionable election methods. Keep someone near and dear who knows the heimlich maneuver.

      • 45caliber

        eddie:

        Why should he take on the scum on the right before taking on those on the left?

        I’ve always felt that the worst scum should go first and as far as I can see, it is mostly on the left. We are taking care of much of the GOP scum now in the primaries and we plan to do the same to the left next week.

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    The balls of these people ! After Clinton used contributions from the Communist Chinese Army to get elected as governor and president.
    All foreign campaign funds from foreign entities should be illegal and have to be returned. If the Unions are allowed to make large contributions so should American Corporation. I think that much of the money required to campaign could be reduced if radio and TV, since they are federally liscensed, should have to allow some free air time to all candidates. Same with any print media recieving gvt. money.
    Also Primary Elections should be held on the same day nationwide will all candidates available on the ballot. Campaign season should last two months for all to get their message out.

    • 45caliber

      It would be nice to limit the campaigning. I don’t even watch regular TV anymore for that reason.

      And Clinton wasn’t the only one to receive off-shore funding. Oblama got a lot of it from foreign countries too. There were dozens of people who sent money to him via credit cards – all the same card number despite the names.

    • Robert S

      Clinton didn’t even need the Chinese money. Bob Dole couldn’t be elected if he ran against Keith Olbermann, the whining little weasel.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        He needed it to replace the Ark. State Teachers Retirement Fund he raided as gov. to campaign and loose his second term. After that they owned him, still do.

  • Patriot

    I have found that then in business and personal dealings that when someone accuses you of something that is not true, it is usually them that are actually committing the misdeed!

    • eddie47d

      Like Brewer’s claims of beheadings or The Mexican Army has invaded America or Americans are disappearing into FEMA death camps or NATO troops are stationed in America and ready to invoke marshall law. Your side buys into every rumor that pops up and milks it to death. You ought to spend more time trolling for the truth. Now that would be a breath of fresh air.

      • 45caliber

        If you are talking about the Mexican cartels doing the beheading, it is true. And Mexican army invading the US is also true – even though they are hired by the cartels to draw off the border patrol when they do it. So that invalidates your comments right there. If you don’t believe those are true – when they are – perhaps the rest of what you say is unture might be true too.

        • eddie47d

          Then prove it Caliber. Now it’s the cartels disguised as Mexican military? Brewer has not come clean on the beheading issue so there is no truth to her original “story”. You can’t back up lies with more questionable lies.

          • 45caliber

            eddie:

            Try reading the news. The cartels just delivered the head of some Mexican police chief to some politician last week. Further, a good percentage of people south of the border are beheaded. Perhaps your own newspaper doesn’t print those stories – but they are there. Try the Houston Chronicle (chron.com) or the Corpus Christi Caller. Both print such stories.

            And there are similar stories of the Mexican military coming across the border, particularly in West Texas and Arizona to draw off the border patrol. They generally run around in machine gun mounted jeeps. They have shot towards the border patrol a couple of times according to the news articles but so far haven’t hit anyone. The Mexican government then issues a statement that they “accidently” came across the border. But the border patrol says that at the same time the Ruales are drawing them off the cartels are bringing in truck loads of drugs. Further, one of the main reasons Mexico can’t get rid of the cartels is because many of the Mexican police and troops are paid by the cartels. Where do you think the cartels get most of their “American” guns? From the troops who got them from the US government.

            Again, check the news about it. There is no doubt here in Texas at least that the stories are true. And forget the liberal idea that these stories simply can’t be true. They are.

    • 45caliber

      True.

  • jopa

    HFlashman;You hit the nail right on the head. I have never seen so many anti-Americans in one gathering since the Beckerhead march on Washington.There they stated what they were all about to do to fix the economy and provide ideas for jobs.Not a word about solutions for either one.This is beginning to look like used TP ,full of sh–.

    • slickporsche

      THis may be way over your head Jopa, but getting rid of the crimials is one of the first solutions. Then backtracking and repealing the health bill among other is another part of the solution.It is just the beginning, or the end , depending if you are a constitutionalist or a socialist. You know who you are, and so do I. May a revolutionary’s bullet find a place in your brain.

      • Jim H.

        Slick, No need for the violence, besides, only an extreme marksman could hit a target that small.

      • 45caliber

        Make the target something else. It is hard to hit a pea-sized brain.

  • Bob Wire

    “May a revolutionary’s bullet find a place in your brain.”

    you are just all over the foul line today young man. You have the right to speak but you seem to think it’s free.

    It’s time for you to find out otherwise and comes at a price.

    Is this site to permit such comments? We shall see.

    • Barb

      While veiled threats aren’t smart this is America and there is such a thing as FREE SPEECH so it was his right to say it just not the smart thing to say! You sound like you might be shaking in your booties Bob! Too bad! The true Americans will prevail!

      • Bob Wire

        I seem to be the Fire Marshall here this morning, putting out small fires before they get to large and out of control.

        Freedom of speech has never been free, I know that might sound confusing. There has always been and still is a price to pay for speaking freely.

        don’t let the word “Free” fool you. You have a “Right” and rights comes with both privileges and penalties.

        My fear is for every ones mother, children and families. Being the survivor of 9 ambushes and 22 fire fights and left with the task of inventorying and bagging remains and tally of material, I fell obliged to discourage such talk from a child that never drew blood.

        • 45caliber

          Only 9 and 22? And here I thought from the media that such things were daily occurances!

          • Bob Wire

            It was an everyday thing for somebody 45, it was big place and made much bigger by the Jungle. It took 3 hours to drive 20 miles in many cases. It’s true, many of us was air mobile, but many of us wasn’t, left to blaze trails or walk jungle roads. Jungle roads are never straight lines.

            There was a lot of us there, in 68 there was 536,100 of us, I had my share of it, thank you. Considering I was in Recovery and Evac of men and material, my numbers less then some.

          • Winnie

            Shame on you 45caliber. I have an unmost respect for any and all veterans who do the dirty work of the rich government leaders and their followers who do not lift a finger to help keep your right to free speech. Shame on all who do not take up arms for the freedom that you so enjoy. Freedom of speech also has it’s evil side. This is one site that use freedom of speech to act like six year olds; name calling, bunching all people into one (Un-American). Do begin to appreciate the freedoms and rights that you Americans and us Canadians enjoy because of those who died and those willing to fight for us.

          • 45caliber

            Oh, you were in Nam?? I was there with the 173rd Airborne (Infantry) and then with the 82nd. Of course, we were also usually used in D-Zone and similar places since most other troops got shot up badly there. I thought you were talking about Iraq.

          • 45caliber

            Trust me, Winnie, I don’t hate veterans. I’m one and so is my daughter. But even in the military there are REMF’s (which I won’t identify since it isn’t printable in places like this).

            I was infantry. If we didn’t get at least a battle a week we felt we were wasting our time. It broke the monotany.

          • Winnie

            My deepest apology 45caliber. I salute you and your daughters and will keep you in my prayers.

          • Bob Wire

            45, nice to know you brother, glad you made it home.

            I base camped out of Chu Chi and was with 25th Infantry, HQ & A Co. a support Battalion. We retrieved, repaired or destroyed and then created some war toys of our own, hot showers, mess hall, medical theaters. Worked in support of Infantry and Engineers. My Squad had a 1936″ 3/4 ton Dodge Power Wagon loaded with tools a 300 amp welder/generator, winch, cutting torch. A 5ton multi-fueler with mounted quad fifty’s and armored sides, and a 55 ton VTR Track Retriever that could jerk an M48 around. I ran service calls, much like what I still do today. But people are not trying to kill me anymore while I’m doing it. Sometimes I was flown in.

            We helped the Bloody Red One (1st Division)pack for home and in the process “pedicured” their machine shop (they had some nice engine laths and Bidgeport Mills)

            I was treated well under the circumstance.

            “It’s good that war is hell or men would develop a love for it.”

            Robert E. Lee

    • Robert S

      In today’s police statew a comment like Slick’s could probably lead to a criminal charge. I believe he is going over the edge.

      • Winnie

        Robert S, I agree that what that childish person said is a threaten remark and he should have to face the consequences of uttering a thread.

    • Karolyn

      Bob, You know that Bob Livingston just loves Slick’s posts.

      • libertytrain

        Karolyn you are sometimes incredibly ridiculous. Mr. Livingston has addressed this kind of issue in the past and has stated he does not agree at all with those type of comments and wishes people would refrain from posting such.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Karolyn,

        You comment is mindless and without foundation. I have said before that I do not advocate nor promote violence. We try and allow as much freedom of discussion here as possible and invite intelligent commentary. Unfortunately, some are unable to exercise the discretion we would prefer. When we feel a line has been crossed we delete the comment in question as soon as we see it, and if a commenter continues to abuse the freedom we allow then that poster is banned.

        One thing we do that few, if any, other sites do is to allow criticism of the authors to remain, unedited, as long our clearly-stated policy is not abused. Even your snide, backbiting ad hominem attacks on me.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    If any investigations come about, all parties need to be looked at! One is probably as guilty as the other. It is paining to see how far off course America has gone. The corruption and lawlessness runs so deep and criss crosses from party to party. It’s so sad to see America struggling to be the great country she once was. Greed has brought her to her knees.

    • Winnie

      Robin, greed began to openly work in U.S. when the republican president, Ronald Reagan said that economy will improve when using the tripple down system (which made the filthy rich richer). These filthy rich hold on to their money and give up only on the cheapest labor. Cheap labor comes from the poorest countries of those countries that cannot care for their own like China, India, and South American countries. The Americans demand far too much of the rich’s money for a few hours’ work. That is mainly what caused the big businesses to move jobs overseas and down below. Now Americans cry for jobs and blame the current president when the blame is elsewhere.

      • 45caliber

        Winnie:

        You really need to study economics instead of listening to the talking heads on TV.

        This didn’t start with Reagon. It started at the end of WWII when the government decided to rebuild Japan to give us a hold in the far East. Further, the main reason that the companies are going overseas has little to do with the price of labor. It has a lot to do with regulations and fees the government here charges them.

        • Winnie

          45caliber. It might of started way then, but it speed up the spiral down when Reagan was president. Believe me, cheap labor means more $ for the ceo’s positive reports to the shareholders. More MOney for their salary and more money for the dividends.

      • Winnie

        Meant to say when Ronald Regan began the triggle-down system.

  • Ben

    I guess it was okay for the Demos. to use ACORN for illigal votes back in 2009. The Demos. make me sick. I used to be a Demo. until I grew up.

    • Bob Wire

      And when was that exactly?

      • 45caliber

        Not long after he began to vote, probably. That was when I matured, I know.

      • HFlashman

        Bob…did you really expect these guys to back up their wild claims with proof or fact? It would be a major job just posting the truth to counter the number of lies and made up ‘facts’ some here spew each day. Jeesh ….

        • Bob Wire

          Flash, yes I do! at some point~ I really do.

          We are not that far apart ~ it’s just the words are getting in the way.

          That’s why I’m here and not somewhere else doing something that would offer me immediate benefit and satifaction.

          In my own way, this is my investment into tomorrow and it can never be said, I didn’t make the effort.

          I see no benefits associated with preaching to the choir.

  • Bleh

    Such talk of Revolution is nonsense. Promoting it suggests the Constitution is broke. It is not. The problem is our elected officials do not abide by it. We simply need to remove them and appeal some of the bs they have injected into it by the agreed upon methods.
    The term you should be using is “restoration”, because what is truly desired is the Restoration of the Republic and the Constitution in which it was founded.

    • Jim H.

      Restoration, I like the sound of that. We need to work on restoring what we once had.

      • Robert S

        Jim Restoration is what they had in the South after the Civil War. The Union Army robbing, burning towns and raping women. We could do without that.

        • http://naver samurai

          Actually, that was called Reconstruction.

      • Karolyn

        You can never go back. Nothing can ever be the same as is once was.

        • http://naver samurai

          It can be if you try and fight hard enough. Like look at what is happening to many carrer politicians. Next month many of them are getting the boot and a move towards a new America will begin. An America that will go by our founding fathers, founding principles, and get back to having God as part of public life and not just be pushed back into church. Let’s keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Bob Wire

      wise council and should be taken to heart by all. To speak otherwise, it could be considered or construed treasonous in nature.

      Thank You Bleh

    • 45caliber

      Maybe we should rename the Tea Party people as the Restoration Party. I like it!

      • Bob Wire

        I do too 45, much more appropriate and fitting. Something to aspire too.

        The Tea Party was poorly labeled and conceived. It reeks of cloaked ambiguity , zero responsibility and the directing only controlled by a drum beat of an unknown drummer.

        Al of which we’ve experienced too much of already.

    • Robert S

      The treasonous politicians should be rounded up and put into the detention camps they have built to incarcerate Patriotic Americans.

      • HFlashman

        If they ever had such camps…I would suggest Bush/Cheney and that ilk be the first candidates for residency.

        • 45caliber

          They are there. Run “government concentration camp” on Google. You’ll be amazed.

        • 45caliber

          flashy:

          I know that the government will make you happy. The camps are meant for all the conservatives since we are guilty of being “Bible loving, gun loving terrorists”. Many of us are vets, which also can’t be trusted in the liberal country. So – as a liberal – you can appreciate them.

          Of course, first they have to figure out how to get us into them considering that most liberals are afraid of guns and combat.

    • Winnie

      Bleh. A person with wisdom and brains at last. Thank you.

  • TIME

    People,

    Take all the media & Political rhetoric and place it in the round file ok.
    The issue is nothing more, as well nothing less than the following.

    Q,1- Are you one who believes in “FREEDOM & a Government run by the people for the people?”

    OR

    Q,2- Are you one who believes in a “Socialist / Marxist form of Government. Run by a few who hold the mass’s with ZERO freedom?”

    Thats it at this point, there is no other argument thats worth the efforts to waste time with.

    A Vote for the Democrats now; is a Vote for the Socialist / Marxist form of Government. Its that simple you don’t need to have a 200 plus IQ to figure this out, my dogs can grasp this.

    A Vote for a Progressive Republican is no differant than the above Democrat model.

    A Vote for New blood Republican / Tea Party backed is the one and ONLY venue you have open if you wish to repair the country and retain your freedom’s that is you have left, even though they are very limited.

    Look; no matter how hard you try a square peg will not go in a round hole.
    The media no matter who it is, they are working hard to make you think that up is down, and down is up, Right is wrong, and wrong is right.
    PLEASE WAKE UP.

    There is no Democratic party anylonger and there has not been one in over 50 years.
    With 83% of all elected Democrats either noted Marxist, or Socialist, you don’t need a 200 plus IQ to grasp they do not have American Ideals as their base model.

    PEOPLE – PLEASE WAKE UP! This is your last chance.

    Oh and for you that feel that your Republican’s in office now are doing you any good, here’s your wake up call; Barry Soetoro would not even be in office if just “ONE SINGLE” Congress and or Senate person had said they wanted Barry to diplay “Valid Proof” of his being born in the USA. Thats its people just ONE SINGLE person, and not a single one has to ever asked, let alone demanded. Whats that tell you?
    “WILL YOU ALL PLEASE WAKE UP!”

    • eddie47d

      Time; Every nation in the world has socialistic policies and most of them work for these countries,including ours. So we are awake. We are not a communist government so why do you keep making these ludicrous comparisons.Obama is not a marxist so allot of false claims are made. (His policies are fairly centered but certainly leans more to the left than the right).Wishing that he is a marxist so you can destroy him is not a valid claim to make him so. Challenge the issues but don’t confuse extremist hype with the truth. Check out why our capitalist system went into overdrive and brought us down. Challenge Big Government but see the forces that made it so big. When capitalists screws up the people demand that they change their habits. When they don’t the government steps in and we end up with that bigger government. Free markets have been rather ill lately and hopefully they will heal themselves. Until then that over-regulating government will keep knocking at their door.

      • 45caliber

        eddie:

        You REALLY need to study communism. I know! I’m willing to buy you a one-way ticket to Russia so you can learn! But you can’t come back for at least twenty years. Otherwise you won’t learn!

        • eddie47d

          I have no desire to live in Russia. Whether under the Czars,communism or Putins “democracy”. Thanks for the offer.

        • Karolyn

          Russia, for all intents and purposes, is no longer communist.

    • Bob Wire

      “Oh and for you that feel that your Republican’s in office now are doing you any good, here’s your wake up call; Barry Soetoro would not even be in office if just “ONE SINGLE” Congress and or Senate person had said they wanted Barry to diplay “Valid Proof” of his being born in the USA.”

      Time , they have and it was. 44 also served in the Senate if you will recall and offered representation for the citizen of Illinois for several years.

      The only smoking gun that gives credence to this charge is a document that was used “as an instrument” to gain access to monies for schooling on the part of “Parent/s”. It is true, there is a conflict in this document regarding birth.

      The truth of the matter is Politicians,(all of them) know laws and how to use them to their personal benefit. ~ They work systems, and pinch documents to defer cost in the education of their own children, there is a host of grants up for grabs, for those that are “aware” and know how to qualify.

      This is also true of savvy citizens that take great interest in their children education and found lacking funds.

      Politicians would prefer us to not know such things. It’s my personal belief they choose to “not” push this matter with only this one document in question. For to pursue it, would open up other matters they would dislike to address. The more people that use these funds and grants, the less lucrative they become. Who wants unnecessary competition when it comes to money matters and educating children?

      Many years ago, we ran head first into this matter with Dan Quayle and it was quickly put to bed.

      So please reconsider your position, you have two documents before you, which one might you accept today knowing this?

      • 45caliber

        Politicians know laws and how to get around them.

        As for your proof – check the “proof” and then check the birth certificate of anyone born in Hawaii at that time. I’ve even seen one from the SAME DAY that Oblama was born. They simply don’t match at all.

        • Bob Wire

          I understand your quandary 45. I also understand the State recognizes the document. Now if the state refused to recognize or accept the document, your argument would be most valid.

  • Ben

    Bob W. After Carter

  • LuluBelle

    Read this; it’s about Soros-funded groups going after poll watchers in Houston: http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=219997

    Isn’t this foreign money interfering with our politcal process?? Yes, I believe it is. Hmmm. Can you spot the hypocrites here? Cuz I can.

    • 45caliber

      chron.com has even more stories. It is the Houston Chronicle. The real problem is that the poll watchers are actually finding problems and the Dems don’t like it. Such as the voting officals voting ‘for’ others and telling them how to vote. Such as Shiela Jackson Lee asking for votes in the polling place. Etc.

  • marvin

    talk about foreign money 40 million from inter ser union isu half their employs are illegals

    • eddie47d

      Illegals seldom have a pot to piss in so I doubt if they are going to be giving money to any politician when they need every dollar for themselves.

      • Brad

        Sorry eddie47d,

        The SEIU has already admitted to representing illegals who work in the US, hense they pay due’s and the SEIU spends their dues on politicians favoring their position. Illegals paying for politicians ironic isn’t it.

      • 45caliber

        Since they don’t pay any tax and get their living expenses and medical all free, they have more money for things like this that you would imagine.

        • HFlashman

          “they’ don’t pay any taxes? You sure about that? How about the criminal employers withhold the regular withholdings but don’t send it in?

        • 45caliber

          Flash:

          Oh, they send in the withholding taxes all right. And the illegals file two IRS tax forms at the end of the year showing they worked half a year and drew welfare half a year – both right. They get all the tax back plus earned income credit. So – they pay no taxes.

          • eddie47d

            Earning only $8.00 a hour and 10 hours a day and lousy housing thrown in. I doubt if I would be paying any taxes either.

  • Teresa

    The love of money has become more evident every day in our society. Politics and government has tried every way to turn our once great nation into a socilist country for this alone…power, control and the love of money. They care not at the cost of whom and what it takes to obtain this. They look at us as mere sheep and can not understand why all of the sudden this great uproar over the unjustified recklessness of our constitution. They have turned from God and spit on us who do. The humility and grace has fallen from our government and been replaced with greed and ignorance and sheer desire for nothing but the love of money and power and control. The sheep are flocking together now and turning toward the God whom the should have never turned their back on to begin with..the one TRUE God, and he is NOT called Obama. The republicans in congress have been guilty for their greed but the democrats need not throw stones, especially Obama our so called leader in cheif…does he even know the meaning of the word? Congress, led by our leader is acting like a group of 1st graders on the playground throwing tantrums…all in the name of greed for the love of money, who is paying the price for this? We have take our pledge from our schools, our constitution is being torn apart, our nation divided and our commander in chief a known liar and socialist. WE THE PEOPLE need to focus on where to turn and fight for what is true and real…there is no left and right there is RIGHT AND WRONG!

    • Winnie

      Teresa, I agree with you 100%. Voters get out and vote out those you deem to be not working for the people but for the big businesses. Griping and complaining are for those who did go out and vote. Get out and get your America back. Only you Americans can solve your problems. As Teresa Said, “there is no left and right there is RIGHT AND WRONG. Way to go Teresa.

      • 45caliber

        And make SURE those you vote for are working for the ‘people’ – all of us – rather than using government money to buy votes from welfare people or other minority groups.

        • Teresa

          I agree w/you 45caliber and I do not share the same version of Socialist as Anti Government…. We The People is..Individual Freedom.
          A Socialist is Government controlled..Unionized..
          You see, when you have a nation such as us who once use to prosper on our generousity…we were the land of plenty…
          We work, we profit…this profit is ours you see…we are a generous nation, we have good hearts…when the greedy take from the generous until there is nothing more to take…the individual has nothing left to give….The government has taken from us for so long and the people are fed up, they are barely surviving.
          Our loved ones have fought and died for our freedom and individual freedom for us to prosper, so when the government takes and keeps taking we fall more into a socilist country.
          We are a good hearted nation but I fear we have reached our limit with our government for our family and nation are at stake and we know we can give no more. The “so called” left think we are crazy for wanting to keep what is ours to begin with. I ask you to answer this one simple question…when your individual rights are taken away, and you work for free will you then call us crazy?

          • 45caliber

            I agree. The real problem as I see it is that the government doesn’t have a realistic idea of us taxpayers. To them we should be able to simply provide more money. Once in 73 they came out with the AVERAGE American family. The family (in 73, mind you) made nearly $150,000 a year. And that is NOT average for America. Yet many in government believe it is. So if they need to take another $10,000 a year from each of us, they can’t understand why we should object.

          • Bob Wire

            “The government has taken from us for so long and the people are fed up, they are barely surviving.”

            I see it a little differently, Taxes are a about as low as one would hope for on the Federal level. But city, county and state are there as well with their hand out.

            What the Fed has done is through selective regulation and deregulation and antitrust immunity allow special interest to bleed Americans most basic discretionary spending dry while continuing to keeping labor cost down.

            Every human needs health care at one point or another. Yet a simple broken bone treatment can easily run 9 to 15 thousand dollars by the time hospital,doctors etc are paid. ~ This cost is so high most persons need insurance to cover such things, like the roof of their homes.

            The problems are many in the way Insurance Co. operate and use “group coverages” the cost is high for this and without being in a group even higher. In fact, Companies are free to deny you coverage or cancel your coverage or limit your coverage after you might have paid premiums for decades.

            This process sometimes requires you to sue these companies to get them to honor coverage. Placing the consumer and supplier in adversarial positions and the the attorneys get their cut in the process. And of course the court systems get theirs.

            Our government pandering to special interest has allowed this to happen.

            Our government has allowed tax dollars to subsidize the well employed major medical policies while the under employed pay taxes and has no medical coverage of their own. The ones that “can’t help those that “can” ~Cleaver Hmm?

            This kind of disparity slowly eats away at American “discretionary spending” and over a period of time there is little left to be called “discretionary”

            There is many things that have been put in place over the years in some attempt to offset this, like “earned tax credit” but you must use them, I never have, as I was unaware until recent.

            Today , it seems just working hard is not enough, the systems in place requires everyone to be a player of sorts if you hope to have and hold on to anything.

            As there is someone waiting to take all your hard work from you ~ just because you didn’t do this or you didn’t do that.

            It’s became a world of economic predators that’s been given permission and the right to bleed you/me dry.

            From health care to predatory banking to crude oil price fixing to sugar to pork bellies to pot ash. ~ It’s all became a game a few people play while the rest of us really work.

            Wall Street “thinks” they are the center of the universe and many would agree, defend the status quo as they have a “vested interest” in this fools game. It’s a spread the wealth game as each hopes to be “winners” in a game where someone must lose.

            With enough people being guilty of engaging in this debacle alone insures it’s future.

            Now if I’m seeing this wrong, I trust someone brighter then I might explain it.

          • eddie47d

            Caliber: Where in the world did you get that figure for 1973? The average salary today is only $49,800 so even if two persons in the family worked now it wouldn’t come close to $173,000.

          • 45caliber

            eddie:

            I didn’t say that I thought this was the average. This was the family picked out by the feds as ‘average’. It was run in the newspaper at the time. They owned a 3000+ sq.ft. house, had a farm 80 miles away, etc. This is by NO MEANS average! But the government said it was. Stupid, isn’t it.

  • Claire

    Karl Rove??!! This is one guy I never want on my ball team. I do not trust this person, I never have. Within the GOP, he will “shift” whichever way the wind blows, especially if he thinks he will benefit from it.

    • Winnie

      Hi Claire, Karl Rove is kinda of wierd, scary-looking person. I don’t trust him one bit and he has and will cause more problems if someone doesn’t zip his mouth and get him out of politics.

      • Bob Wire

        I use to think no one could be a bigger weasel then Phil Gramm, but that was before Karl Rove came along.

        Karl Rove & D1ck Chaney have single handed seriously damaged the GOP more then any two people alive or dead.

  • Anti Government

    I agree there is right and wrong but isn’t the term “We the People” socialist by definition. Isn’t “community” a socialist term. Why are we all afraid of the word “socialist”? Our country was founded on socialist ideas. The colonist could not have survived if not for the socialist community. We would have no modern road system with out socialism. We would have no libraries if we had no socialist ideas. We are a community and to get back to the article the problem with unlimited money is that there is no accountability. Even a news paper makes you sign a letter to the editor to keep accountability. These new PAC’s that do not disclose there contributors are “UN-AMERICAN”. You may agree with what they are doing now, but will you feel the same when they are pumping money in to take your rights?

    • Winnie

      Do not forget the new Americans would not survive if not for the Native Americans. Happy Thanksgiving Day. We already had ours on October 11th.

      • Anti Government

        Amen!

    • 45caliber

      You must have a totally different idea of “socialism” than I have. To me a ‘socialist’ is someone who insists that I cannot own anything. It all belongs to the government (them). They simply let me keep a little of it due to the goodness of their hearts. The ones who are really important are they themselves – and they insure they get paid a lot more due to their importance.

      For instance, in Russia, they were allowed unlimited use of all the valuable jewelry and paintings in the museums kept “for the people”. And they had large mansions with servants since they were so important, with villas in nice places so they could ‘rest’ from their labors. The rest of the people barely had enough to keep them alive – if they were of use to the rulers.

      • Anti Government

        I think you confuse Socialism with Communism. I think everyone does not like the idea of Communism, but everyone would like the benefits of a Socialist Fire Department. Wikipedia defines Socialism as an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources. By this definition we all benefit from Socialism every day. The roads are planned by the government but built by the private sector. Schools are another great example that is planned by the community (needs more local control) who than sends ALL children for an education that benefits the whole. A Church is a socialist idea that has worked for centuries.

        • http://naver samurai

          And we are to believe a liberal entity like wikipedia? The church isn’t socialist. Prove it is! Cite your source! You can’t because there isn’t any! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Bob Wire

        45 it appears you are not alone with that view of Socialism as many seem to share it.

        As far as I know there few practical, working “pure ism’s” today, but blends, much like quality table grade sipping whiskey.

        We enjoy the benefits of socialism to degrees here in the US today. Usually huge civil project too large to be fronted by a single identity. Road, river and water projects being the most common, things benefited and used by all in one from or another. Exploits into space research, super collider, rail guns, via government grants etc.

        The nature of the Social “ism” is to tap the power of the collective to benefit all mankind in a meaningful way.

        It can not be denied it is subject to abuse on the part of a few at the expense of the many, much like it’s brother Capital “ism”.

        A hard line drawn in the sand cannot separate the two.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Socialism is just Communism without the bayonnets.

        • Bob Wire

          Everything that you have ever said tells me that you truly believe that Gunner.

        • Anti Government

          So if Socialism is Communism without the bayonets than belonging to a Church would make you a communist. To use the road system would make you a hypocrite. And send your children to school would make you a Socialist. One is not an Island onto one’s self. We need to get past these petty labels.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry ag, but your response is somewhat flawed. You say that going to church would make you a communist? That would be impossible, considering communism was anti-religion and anti-church. They believed the state should run everything and pay people for their work. Did you know that under communism in the former U.S.S.R., a man had to work for a week to be able to buy a dozen eggs? Our road and school systems are not socialist, as they do not 100% depend on government money. Schools also get money from a tax base of the local residents of the area, ergo private money. Many of them have sales, raffles, sporting events, etc, that raise money from the public and private sources. Our dam system (flood control system) isn’t either. Many of them are owned by private electric companies. Please get your facts straight before you post. Remember: “They spend our money like a bunch of drunken sailors, but that wouldn’t be fair to the drunken sailors because they’re spending their own money.” Ronald Reagan. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver sook young

        I agree with you 45 calibur. That is straight from my history books. Keep up the good posts. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

  • guyb

    It sure is strange to think that democrats say they do not want a deficit and want a balanced budget and the republicans say they do not want a deficit and they want a balanced budget. Well,if both parties want a balanced budget and they do not want a deficit,then why do we not have a balanced budget and we have a deficit? Answer is, We have been soldout and we do not have any elected officals that have the best interest of America and the American people at heart… What we have in the white house is double talking 2 faced elected officals that should go to jail for embezzlement of our tax dollars.If it is a felony for anyone to lie to congress then it should be a felony for congress to lie to the American people… Nov is coming,use your vote wisely….

    • Bob Wire

      valid points, ~ I quit paying much attention to what they say and more with what they do.

  • chuck b

    bob wire

    i disagree on your line in the sand theory. socialism has never worked amd to compare it on the same plane as capitalism is a false pretense.

    • Anti Government

      Socialism does work and is working well in America. Our education system has taken this country from the farm to the moon. Socialism has created the most comprehensive dam system in the world. Socialism has created the best road system the world has ever seen. Socialism has created the most powerful military in the history of the world. Socialism has its place as does Capitalism.

      • http://naver samurai

        I think you need to get on the first plane back to your native Russia. People that sound like you tend to be bereft of real intelligence and are just mere empty shells and not people. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Anti Government

          If you can’t find fault with the message it is just easier to attack the messenger. Typical! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver sook young

            Soory, but socialism only works till you run out of other people’s money. Where do you propose that we get they money for these social programs we have now? How about the Obamacare starting next year? Gee, socialism doesn’t sound like its working to me. Typical loberal rhetoric and factually unsound posting. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

      • chuck b

        anti gov

        our system of government is a republic, it is not the socialist states of america.

        how do you give credit to socialism for our education, hiway system and the nasa. these are under the control of our congress and exec branch not state controlled. maybe you live in another country? granted, we have the liberal faction that would prefer socialism and this administration is doing it’s best to steer it that way, however, i don’t think the people are going to allow it.

        • Bob Wire

          They are directed and funded by the collective (the people).

          That makes it “a brand” of socialism Chucky

          “Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership (government/the people)and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources.[1][2][3]

          As an economic system, socialism is a system of production based on the direct production of use-values by allocating economic inputs (the means of production) and investments through planning to directly satisfy economic demand. Economic calculation is based on either calculation-in-kind or a direct measure of labor time[4][5], output for individual consumption is distributed through markets, and distribution of income is based on individual merit or individual contribution.”

          Social “ism” ~ is only an “ism” an idea, a means to a desired end.

          Like ALL “ism’s” subject to interpretation and implementations.

          But still only a “vehicle” a way to get from where your are to where you wish to go.

          It is our elected representatives on Capital Hill that plots the course and sets the destination. A democracy over socialism fueled by capitalism and the forces of supply and demand.

          We have and use a “blend” of “ism’s” (of ideas) to address the needs of 347 million Americans. The task too large for a singular interest and not only that, but it found to be unwise to place that much power in the hands of a singular interest.

        • Bob Wire

          and it’s not a matter of “giving credit” or singing praises or suggesting it’s the best way but merely an observation on how “ism’s” are being applied.

          There has never been a bridge built or building constructed without incentives offered to labor.

          We use cash, train riding money and the hopes of what that money might be worth.

          Maybe it’s not perfect, ~ but as good as it gets without dieing and going to heaven, hoping to find some just reward there.

        • Anti Government

          All I am trying to get across is that these labels that we brand “this is good” or “this is bad” are counter productive. They are divisional at a time when we need to be working together to get out of this mess. I would agree with the assessment that we are a Republic. This Republic has elements of capitalism, democracy, and yes socialism. Total Capitalism is no more than a game of Monopoly where there is only one winner. Total Socialism is an impediment of ingenuity and drive. We are strongest when we are open to the best of everything. Schools, roads and military are socialist by definition (Socialism as an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources). This is not good or bad just a fact and these systems have worked well over time.

    • Karolyn

      Socialism sure does seem to be working in places like Sweden, Holland, Austria, Germany, etc. The people are happy with it.

      • http://naver sook young

        Tell that to the many European countries that are broke because of these socialist governments. England, for one, is broke because of it’s socialized healthcare system. Actually, the military, as ag has pointed out, IS NOT socialism. The roads in our country are more about capitalism and not socialism. If you want to know about socialism, just look how things were under Lenin and Stalin. Do our farmer have to go to one central location to use tractors to till their fields and harvest their crops? Do they have to give 90% or possibly everything they harvest to the government, so the people in the cities and industrial areas can eat while they starve? Gee, you two don’t really know much. Just look at North Korea and that also is a form of socialism. You two seem to be bereft of the truth and just post things for any kind of response. Such people are lower intelligent people and shouldn’t have to be delt with. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

  • chuck b

    bobbie

    you can skip around all the “ism’s” you want. we are not a socialist nation, we are a representative government. not a democracy as you liberals like to refer as. democracy is gang rule, our founding fathers decided no on democracy, yes on representative.

    socialism may be the dream of some, however, man is too dishonest and greedy. socialism will lead to communism then totalitarianism. that’s where your messiah is trying to go.

  • chuck b

    anti gov

    total socialism is an impediment of ingenuity?
    where are you coming from? socialism has proven to be a detriment to man. and please tell me where these socialist systems have worked well over time.
    the depot of transportation, education and energy are what you are referring to as successful. you can’t convince me any of these operations are doing a good job, our education dept. is a disaster, the energy dept(you didn’t mention) is a complete disaster and you claim these are social operations to be admired. govt. employees do not produce anything except complacency. the transportation dept. is nothing but a political football. all these operations should be abolished. the armed forces are not what i consider a pattern of socialism.

    • Karolyn

      See my post above. There are many countries where socialism is working vey well. Unfortunately, pure socialism cannot work here because of our diversity. However, as has been pointed out by Bob, there are some facets of it that are very beneficial to all.

  • chuck b

    karolyn

    apparently you have been reading to many propaganda leaflets. all those countries you mention are having financial problems due to there high tax rates. other than germany they do nor have the immigration problem we have. you mbetter research a little better. germany just cracked down on there liberal socialist agenda, it’s not working!

  • Whit

    Karl Rove has demonstrated that he will do anything to maintain power and no laws are going to interfere with that. He’s just another rich old white man whining and trying to play the victim. He undoubtedly HAS healthcare like a lot of the knuckle draggers on this site.

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