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Judge: Drone Attack Memo Can Stay Secret

Judge: Drone Attack Memo Can Stay Secret
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Anwar al-Awlaki was killed in a U.S. drone attack.

NEW YORK (UPI) — The Justice Department does not have to release a document justifying the 2011 targeted killing of a U.S. citizen in Yemen, a New York Federal judge has ruled.

Expressing frustration over the “Alice-in-Wonderland nature of this pronouncement,” Judge Colleen McMahon was skeptical, however, about the anti-terrorist program under which Anwar al-Awlaki was killed in a U.S. drone attack, The New York Times reported Thursday.

In her ruling Wednesday, McMahon said, “It lies beyond the power of this court to conclude that a document has been improperly classified.”

She wrote that “I can find no way around the thicket of laws and precedents that effectively allow the executive branch of our government to proclaim as perfectly lawful certain actions that seem on their face incompatible with our Constitution and laws while keeping the reasons for their conclusion a secret.”

The Times, two Times reporters and the American Civil Liberties Union had sued for release of the memorandum.

They argued, in part, that public discussions of the reasoning behind the drone strike on al-Awlaki by Attorney General Eric Holder and President Barack Obama had weakened the government’s argument the memo should be kept secret.

The Times and the ACLU both indicated they would appeal the ruling.

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  • Dwight Mann

    It is all about protecting the great Ø. . .
    These people are traitors to the constitutional vows that they took. We let them get away with this. We need to have immediate removal of such malfeasant personages.

    • Robert Smith

      Anwar al-Awlaki was a terrorist and a criminal.

      The only reason he is being considered at this point is because of the irrational hate of Obama and the apparent need of some to punish our President for simply being President.

      Rob

      • momo

        Wrong Smith! Anwar al-Awlaki was a terrorist and a criminal, true, but he was also an American citizen. And as such was entitled to due process under the law. If they can do this to him, no matter what the justification, then they can do this to the rest of us also.

      • Bev

        Yes Awlaki was indeed a terrorist, but he was also an American citizen albeit not a nice one at all. It still does not give our govt the right to kill us. And what about collateral damage? Those with him also perished. Is that justice? This drone assassination of an American citizen without DUE PROCESS has made a mockery of our justice system. If the govt wants to use drones to kill enemy combatants I say go for it, but it’s a slippery slope when you can be classified and killed for your beliefs without due process. innocent until proven guilty.
        You may be the next person our govt doesn’t agree with, does that give them the right to kill you?

      • Mikey

        So Rob, you know for a fact that Anwar al-Awlaki was a terrorist? Were you in the court room that gave him a fair trial and convicted him? Oh, that’s right, with the NDAA we no longer NEED to try anyone before executing them. I forgot. Obama don’t need no stinkin’ judicial system to kill people he don’t like!
        I’m not saying that it’s not possible that Anwar was guilty, but he still deserved a trial.

      • eddie47d

        Its sometimes odd that those on the extreme right want to take out Obama by any means possible but rush to the defense of al-Awlaki. Which side of the fence will they be on next year? You take a guy like American John Walker Lindh who was captured in Afghanistan as a threat to this country. He was basically harmless and a wanna be freedom fighter albeit for the wrong side. He was sent to prison and that is fine and maybe that is the way we want our system to work. Lindh never hated America like al Awlaki does but al Awlaki had every intention in killing Americans. He had several plots started in sending al Qaeda back into this country to commit some atrocious deeds. He was hard to find and they (US) had to make a choice either take him out or risk losing American lives trying to capture him. Which do you prefer or should he have remained elusive and sent terrorists back into America? If you knew for a fact that the Lockerbie Bomber was going to blow up the airliner would you have made attempts to stop and even kill him? Would you protect his rights until after the deed was done. Which basically is what happened. Although he wasn’t an American he did kill many of us. Now Timothy McVeigh was an American who killed 168. If you had the chance to stop him before his deed would you do it? We know what al Awlaki was up to so what does him being an American have to do with it. A terrorist is a terrorist no matter what his nationality is or what country he hides in. Personally I would like to go to the root cause of all this. Our long term false flag interventions throughout the Middle East which creates angry terrorists in the first place.

      • Robert Smith

        Posted: ” If they can do this to him, no matter what the justification, then they can do this to the rest of us also.”

        Really?

        Are you so sure that the powers that be can’t tell the difference between a terrorist fighting us on foreign soil working to destroy America and someone sitting on the porch in Ohio?

        You are confusing “can” with “will.”

        Rob

      • Mikey

        Eddie, no one is condoning Anwar al-Awlaki’s actions. No one denies that he was most probably a bad guy. What is called into question is the method of judgement and execution used. Every citizen of the U.S. (regardless of political or ethnic affiliations) has the right to a fair trial before punishment is rendered. Awlaki was not afforded that trial. Do you condone vigilante justice?

      • momo

        Liberals, like eddie and Robert Smith, have no qualms about President Obama ordering the killing of an Al-Awlaki, even though he was an American citizen. did he deserve it, oh yes, but, the same conclusion would have been reached by a jury! By passing the due process clause once makes it easier to do again, and yes Smith they can and will do it again, rest assured.

      • http://www.facebook.com/dan.mancuso.56 Dan Mancuso

        Smith;
        There is nothing irrational about a hatred of EVIL, ya’ dirty commie!

      • TML

        Eddie47d says, “Its sometimes odd that those on the extreme right want to take out Obama by any means possible but rush to the defense of al-Awlaki.”

        Surely you understand that it is about upholding the rule of law, right? And this you call extremism while defending the tyrannical act of our country, and President, assassinating an American Citizen on foreign soil without charge or trial?

        Eddie47d says, “He had several plots started in sending al Qaeda back into this country to commit some atrocious deeds.”

        Interesting that you claim to know this when there was no trial to ascertain the facts.

        Eddie47d says, “If you knew for a fact that the Lockerbie Bomber was going to blow up the airliner would you have made attempts to stop and even kill him? Would you protect his rights until after the deed was done. Which basically is what happened. Although he wasn’t an American he did kill many of us. Now Timothy McVeigh was an American who killed 168. If you had the chance to stop him before his deed would you do it?”

        You’re making the tremendous leap in logic to think it is somehow ok to convict someone for a crime they MIGHT commit. In doing so, you have become the criminal.

        Eddie47d says, “We know what al Awlaki was up to so what does him being an American have to do with it.”

        Again, how can you rely only on what the government tells you, and say you know what he was up to, without a trial and conviction in a court of law?

        Eddie47d says, “A terrorist is a terrorist no matter what his nationality is or what country he hides in.”

        I’m shocked to hear such a statement of support for the NDAA coming from you, while immediately afterward claiming to be against intervention abroad. The constitution does not even mention citizens regarding the right to due process of law, but instead says PERSONS, which means it doesn’t matter where they are from, ALL have the right to due process whether they be criminals or terrorists, American or not.

      • Alan

        Eddie says: “He was hard to find and they (US) had to make a choice either take him out or risk losing American lives trying to capture him.” Police officers risk their “American” lives every day in apprehending suspected criminals for trial, so I don’t see the point in your argument.

      • eddie47d

        When Carter went in Iran to rescue the hostages there were losses because of the sand storm and the mission was aborted. If you blast Carter for not accomplishing that mission I can imagine how you would trash Obama if American troops were killed in retrieving al Awlaki. So how would retrieving al Awlaki have been any different in your assumption he could have been captured alive. How long of a list do you need to prevent a known terrorist from committing another crime.

      • eddie47d

        So Alan should we then be the world policeman with your analogy!

      • eddie47d

        MOMO: How many hundreds have been in Guantanamo and few charged with specifics after 11 years. We can’t even handle the backlog of many who never even attacked America so why save a KNOWN terrorist who would have been hard to capture anyway. I hear the same voices asking for fairness for al Awlaki but wanted the head of Bin Laden for 10 years. The first World Trade Center bomber or at least the blind Sheik hid in plain site and ran off to Egypt so we aren’t even capable of trying those who are culpable.

      • eddie47d

        Save your own hypocrisies TML and Mikey for you are always silent against those who want Vigilante Justice against Obama and company! I hear crickets when someone advocates that. I don’t like drone attacks or drone spying or the death penalty but I always weigh the options in how serious the crime is to justify any act.

    • http://comcast the fisherman

      It is not call public news- read my lips dumd dumb Top secrect

    • http://comcast the fisherman

      It is not news for the public read my lips dumb dumb Top secret you need not know what is taking place till you are told

  • http://orples.wordpress.com orples

    I guess the people will condone our Government’s actions as long as they don’t step on their toes. People had better pray our secretive Government doesn’t decide one of us is a terrorist, given the power they’ve bestowed upon themselves under the NDAA. How does anyone really know what Mr. Anwar al-Awlaki was or was not guilty of? It wasn’t like he had his day in court, after all. The American people are fools. We once had the greatest Nation on Earth, were blessed with freedoms people from other Nations risked their lives for, in ‘legally’ immigrating here for a better life. Yet, here we sit, allowing our Government to whittle away at those rights, little by little. I guess all is good, as long as it happens to somebody else. Wait until Uncle Sam comes knocking at your door, then maybe you/we will wish we’d stood up and fought for the preservation of our founding documents.

    • eddie47d

      Orples: Do you know the facts about this happened or are you mimicking what is told to you about this case. Your concern is valid in how far our government can go but please tell us what YOU know about al Awalki. Besides the plots in attacking America that were uncovered and which he was initiating before the strike there is other evidence of what he was up to. Are you aware he physically met with Farouk Abdulmutallab the underwear bomber who was trying to blow up the airliner over Detroit? Are you aware he was an inspiration to the Times Square bomber who confessed such. (that plot was stopped). Are you aware he sent an E-Mail to the Fort Hood shooter just before he went on his killing rampage? Are you aware that he may have bought tickets for 3 of the 9/11 hijackers? His credit card number was used and directly linked to Mohammed Atta who was the ring leader? What does our Founding Documents have to do with stopping a cold blooded mastermind? I would love an explanation from YOU Orples. Thank You.

      • gunner

        The “facts” would have come out at trial if one had been allowed. You, too, are you “mimicking” since you didn’t cite any sources for your “facts.”

      • WILDFIRE

        Eddie where are you getting your information from?

        Did these statements come from finding of facts in a court of law or did you get these statements from some liberal Obama supporting news outlet that conjured these facts up from thin air?

        Who had access too and confirmed personal credit card information and personal communications of these statements. Where can I find the official emails or recordings that confirm his voice without reasonable doubt that it was in fact this guy?

        Where are the facts that the others killed were also involved in any crimes that constituted execution?

        You are likely one of those who protests about criminals being on death row and corporal punishment and claim that criminals deserve to have a second chance and be rehabilitated. But if Obama orders the execution of someone and approves of killing others as collateral damage your all in support of it as long as it is not you or someone you know and as long as your government check keeps coming, it effects you not.

        News outlets, blogs and any other reporting source conjure up stories out of thin air to justify actions of the Government regardless of party affiliation in order to cover up and manipulate the populace to believe their action is justified.

        Look at the facts of JFK, watergate, Vietnam War, Benghazi cover up, 9/11 cover ups, fast and furious, Bush’s weapons of mass destruction. I’ll bet you was all over stories of Bush’s WMD demonizing him and the Governments attempts of kies and cover ups and are completely in denial that your master and savior has the ability to lie, hide and conceal his criminal actions. The first clue of your masters intentions of cover ups was the first day he took office and signed EO to seal any and all of his records to hide and conceal who he is, who he is or was associated with in his life, hide and conceal all his records and supporters like you use the claim he has a right to privacy but this Anwar guy didn’t have a right to privacy nor a right to a jury. Like Anwar, if there is reasonable doubt that you have committed some crime, then your privacy is subject to investigation until proven innocent, not stated innocent by someone who has either been paid off, bribed or in some manner threatened, but deemed innocent or guilty by a jury or peers through due process.

      • eddie47d

        Gunnar and Wildfire are living proof that the terrorist will win because the person ordering the killings get a free pass in attacking America. What I posted is old news and can be easily looked up so what is your justification for Not knowing it? Its kind of like Charles Manson who I don’t believe killed anyone but plotted and ordered the killings of others. He got caught because he was in the US. al Awlaki was hiding in a country few dared to enter and the best action was taken to prevent greater loss. I personally don’t approve of the nuking of Nagasaki and Hiroshima but most experts insist it saved the lives of our invading forces. Those folks on the ground may have been completely innocent in our mass killing and I suppose there will be debate until eternity over that too.

      • Bruce

        quote
        Eddie where are you getting your information from?

        Did these statements come from finding of facts in a court of law or did you get these statements from some liberal Obama supporting news outlet that conjured these facts up from thin air?
        end quote

        we know “fact conjuring” is done WAY to frequently, their slips (lies) show frequently, if you look for them.

        if someone is using lies and deceit to further their goals that does NOT look like the actions of the Godly. I would prefer if my government and media acted according to Gods law. The Godly never lie to further their goals, only those serving the head lier, lie. So know who you are dealing with when you hear a lie, or are encourages to repeat one.

        Of course if you hate God, or claim he is a “invisible sky friend”, or claim he does not exist, or only yours is real, then you will not keep his commandment to not bear false witness, and you will be willing to lie to further your goals.

        If “they” tell “us” where and how they got their information, then the “REAL enemy” would also know, and then they would change how they operate, accordingly. And we would lose an advantage over our enemies. not good.

        That is all fine and good, however…. What happens when, what we are doing, that is secret, (and probably illegal and wrong too) is used by CROOKED politicians for their own gain at your personal loss? or for tossing an election, for example?? for quieting dissent?, or for finding “dirt” on the political competition?, all the while stifling any negative facts about themselves?

        Then evil wins, that is what happens.

        We need Godly leaders who will make decisions based on the right reasons and motivations, and our Constitution. That is also why we have a requirement that our highest elected be “natural born, so their reasons align with the people of the land, not foreign interests and ideals. It is important.

      • eddie47d

        Bruce: You answered with excuses and without any facts. Then make accusations you know nothing about. Unbelievable! You quote Wildfire and sneakily attack me with those crazy comments.

      • http://Yahoo Ed

        I know he dined with the brass at the pentagon months after 9/11. (Fox News)
        I know he was not accused of any paticular crime or terrorist act, only of running
        his mouth. I figure he was CIA and knew too much about U S government involv-
        ment with middle east terrorists.

  • ROGER, Irish-Canadian LIBERTARIAN

    The Americqan government has become worse,MUCh worse than the Governments and individals they deem dangerous and terrorist , which means ,in fact, that the TERRORISTS have won.

    • momo

      Absolutely correct, Roger.

    • eddie47d

      Then why do mostly Conservatives insist in massive Defense Budgets that fuel these foreign interventions and drone attacks. Cut off their funding and bring the troops home. The politicians vote in these expenditures because the American people insist on “being the strongest power in the world” . You can’t have it both ways where you feed the military trough and then wonder why they are everywhere in the world.

  • http://comcast the fisherman

    It is not call public news read ny lips Top secret

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