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Jailed For Questioning Barack Obama

May 20, 2011 by  

Jailed For Questioning Barack Obama

Some of the more emotional reunions I have ever witnessed occurred at airports. Few can match the joy of wives (and, sometimes, husbands) and children as they welcome a service member returning safely from overseas.

This past Saturday, such a reunion took place at Baltimore Washington International Airport. But in this case, the highly decorated veteran wasn’t returning from Iraq or Afghanistan. Instead, he had just been released from military prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kan.

Lt. Col. Terry Lakin had been sentenced to six months in jail and dismissed from the Army because he had the temerity to question whether Barack Obama was Constitutionally qualified to serve as President of the United States and, thus, as his Commander in Chief.

But this is not just another “Birther” story. The issues Lakin raised, and the mockery of a trial he received, go much deeper than that. Bear with me while I tell you a little more about them.

First, you need to know that Lakin served his country honorably and well for more than 17 years. His numerous awards and decorations include: the Army Flight Surgeon Badge, Combat Medical Badge, the Bronze Star Medal, the Meritorious Service Medal, the Army Commendation Medal with two Oak Leaf Clusters, the Army Achievement Medal with one Oak Leaf Cluster, the National Defense Service Medal with Bronze Service Star, the Armed Forces Expedition Medal, the Army Reserve Component Achievement Medal, the Army Service Ribbon, the Overseas Service Ribbon sixth award and the NATO service medal.

Lakin previously served with distinction in Honduras, Bosnia, El Salvador, Korea and Afghanistan. His problems began two years ago, when he was first exposed to material that made him question whether Obama was Constitutionally eligible to serve as his Commander in Chief. Yes, Lakin got sucked into the whole “Birther” controversy.

For more than a year, Lakin asked — first through his chain of command (this was the Army, after all) and later through his congressional delegation — for proof that would satisfy his questions. Then, something happened that stiffened his resolve: He received orders in February 2010 to report for deployment in Afghanistan. And as part of his orders, he was told to provide a certified copy of his birth certificate to the responsible authorities.

Normally, Lakin would have had no problem complying with either the deployment (he had served with honor in Afghanistan once before) or with the request. He had provided a certified birth certificate when he was commissioned in the U.S. Army the first time, when he applied for a marriage license and when he received his first security clearance. This time, however, he had a concern.

Lakin asked his commanding officer why, if he was required to routinely provide such evidence, wasn’t his Commander in Chief?

As you might guess, Lakin never received a satisfactory answer. So he then did something he later admitted might not have been the smartest decision he ever made: He declined to go until he was shown the proof he had previously requested.

Uh-oh. That’s when the feathers hit the fan. (I suspect soldiers use a stronger term.) Asking a question about your Commander in Chief became disobedience of a lawful order. A court-martial would follow.

Lakin looked forward to his day in court. He hoped to present his case, tell a jury how he came to have such questions, call witnesses, ask for discovery, present evidence: all the things we Americans have come to expect as a normal part of the justice system.

But this wasn’t “the justice system;” it was the U.S. military. And as the saying goes, things are different there. A military judge ruled that the only issues before the court martial were “the facts of the matter.” That is: Did Lakin disobey a lawful order? He was not allowed to explain why he did so; he was not allowed to call any witnesses or present any evidence.

So no one, not even Lakin or his most ardent supporters, was surprised with the result: Guilty as charged. Lakin was sentenced to six months in Leavenworth (it could have been five years), a reduction in rank, the loss of pension and pay and dishonorable discharge. It is a heavy price to pay for what many will consider a legal dispute.

Then, just days before Lakin was due to be released from military prison — and after two years of stonewalling — Obama changed tactics. He asked officials in Hawaii for a copy of the long-form “Certificate of Live Birth” that would prove he was, in fact, a native-born American. So eager was he to get it that he had a staffer fly from Washington to Honolulu to pick it up. Express Mail wasn’t good enough.

In a statement afterward, a spokesman for the Lakin family said, “Had the Obama Administration agreed to allow the document unveiled today and other related documents as requested for discovery in Lakin’s first pretrial hearing, the matter would have been resolved and soldiers assured their military orders were lawful, given by a lawful Commander in Chief.”

The statement added, “A good soldier, having played his part in this issue, would have returned enthusiastically to the service for which he is so ably trained.”

Of course, none of that was allowed to happen.

As many of you know, I wrote extensively about the whole “Birther” issue last week, in a column called Obama’s Birth, Bin Laden’s Death. As expected, nearly 1,000 readers have added their 2 cents to the debate. In fact, many wrote so extensively and so passionately that I should probably say their $2 worth. The debate got hot and furious. And I don’t think it will calm down anytime soon.

But Donald Trump has declared he will not run for President next year. No other viable candidate seems interested in making Obama’s antecedents an issue. Time will tell if the old adage “ignore it and it will go away” will work again, as it has so many times in the past.

In the meantime, if you would like to thank one brave soldier for taking a principled stand — and who paid a pretty high price for doing so — go to www.terrylakinactionfund.com and send Lakin and his wife, Pili, a note of appreciation. You might even consider making a donation to help them pay the mountain of bills they face.

Lakin could probably make a bunch of money on the lecture circuit or writing a book about his ordeal. But until the military process is complete — and that could take years — he has been ordered to keep his mouth shut.

As I said, military justice isn’t what you’re used to seeing on Law and Order. I think it’s the right place to try any al-Qaida terrorists we capture. But I’m not sure it prevailed in this case. What do you think?

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • s c

    Gee, what a surprise. The Anointed One has problems with free speech. Granted, the military tends to take a dim view of personnel who speak out while they’re in uniform. However, with this Pretender-in-Chief, we can expect more attacks on free speech – and any other freedoms that the current poser thinks he’s above.
    Hang in there, colonel. Herr Obummer, RESIGN. You’ve already made a habit of turning your back on and IGNORING your oath of office. RESIGN. Do the right thing – for once in your life. RESIGN!

    • Wayne

      Actually, Mr. Larkin was operating under the Uniform Code Of Military Justice. This is a different set of rules than the civilian world uses. There
      was no breach of any rules during his trial, and he was properly convicted. When you take an oath to obey those properly placed above you, you obey. The Army is not a debating society. If Mr. Larkin felt that strongly, he could have resigned his commission and taken up his cause as a civilian with the other Birthers. If Bush had been president, and someone had questioned his legitimacy because of the 2000 election fracas, that person would still be serving in Levenworth. If you can seperate your hatred of Obama from how the military operates you will see Larkin was wrong. the Army is not a debating society, you obey and do what you are told to do. He did not, and was properly punished. The UCMJ does not allow for extraneous evidence not germain to the matter to be introduced. It will never allow for a political statement to be made as the defendant will be gagged. The only question was, did he obey or disobey a rightful order. You can disrespect the man, Obama, but you must never disrespect the office of president. He is still the commander in chief. Vote him out, but the president is still the president. Mr. Larkin was not a hero in this instance, but a fool.

      • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

        Wayne, you better hope that our military disobeys orders when our dictator president starts ordering that every one that speaks out against him be arrested and jailed. You sir, are the fool.

        • Vigilannie

          I’m with you Linda!! ……..”you sir, are the fool”…

          • Vigilant

            Ladies, have you ever served in the military? Wayne is 100% correct.

            Commissioned oath of office: “I, (state your name), having been appointed a (rank) in the United States (branch of service), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the office upon which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

            The UCMJ, while preserving the bulk of Constitutional liberties, does NOT allow the officer (or enlisted person) to disregard or disobey a lawful order, period. As Wayne said, it’s not a debating society; if it were, they’d still be back in the USA arguing the merits/demerits of an invasion of Europe in WWII.

          • http://None xnavy

            I agree with Vigilannie; Vigilant is right about the UCMJ and if you pay attention to what you are promising to uphold and defend you will see that Vigilannie is right. The Military Defends and Upholds the CONSTITUTION of the United States, which if any Officer (including the Commander in Chief) is going against that Constitution so outrageously as this one is, then I hope our Military will ultimately DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION and not a DICTATOR.

          • dave

            our so call commander in chief doesn’t believe in or follow the u.s. constitution

        • Recon

          Linda that is a under statement we have a big problem!……….

        • Judy j

          Not to worry Linda, Obama as head of the current Gangster Government, has already considered this. Our military is obligated to take orders from the Commander in Chief regardless how they feel about it. However, Obama is also well aware, the one order our military WILL NOT

          • Judy j

            (sorry for the break) the only order our military will NOT follow is to train their weapons on their own people…family, friends and neighbors. SO, Obama knowing the decisions he would be making would push the American people beyond tolerance and, failing to squash our 2nd Amendment rights in time, Obama funded his own, privite militia deep within the bowels of his 2700 page health care bill.
            Now I ask, why would the commander in chief of the most powerful military in the world need his own, private militia? Why?> Is it he knows full well he intends to drive this nation to revolution?

          • slapjack

            What we fail to recognize is U*bummbo’s million man UNION army called the SEIU etc, and you can bet the farm we will be fighting this tribe of Maggots in the future. Any doubt just look at the recent unrest in Wisconsin’s own State capital building. They are at the beck and call of the Head Maggot in charge and they will do his dirty work.

          • Rob

            I took an oath to defend the constitution not the president.
            He is not a “Natural” born citizen he is a muslim invoking Taqiyya, the muslim form of a lie.
            Strange how a few weeks before his long form was released the reference to the “natural born citizen” definition in wikipedia went missing. A “”natural born citizens’” parents must be citizen at the time of your birth. This was done to prevent this type of issue where a child may have split intrest due to a parent not being a citizen. The first time an imposter president is placed in office the entire country is going down in flames. And it looks to be intentional and the Supreme Court needs to tell the military to remove him from office like they did to the president of Honduras. Question is who starts the ball rolling?

          • Kate8

            It’s true that a soldier’s oath is to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, not the office of the President. If a President appears to be, in fact, an enemy, and refuses to prove himself legitimate, I would think it would be the duty of our military to refuse all orders unless and until O proves himself. Who else is going to do it?

            My understanding is that a soldier has the right to disobey an order that violates his conscience. Otherwise, we have a possible scenario of what took place under Hitler.

            Further, by NOT producing his BC at the trial, this man can now show harm. Maybe, since he’s been court martialed, he should now take his case to a federal court, since they’ve insisted that O’s refusal to come clean hasn’t caused “harm”, or if it has, everyone is harmed equally (what nonsense). This man has truly been harmed.

        • ReaperHD

          The #1 Threat to this Nation is the Muslim Terrorist in the White House trying to destroy the Constitution and the American People. Since Bin Bama took and oath to protect and uphold the Constitution he should be arrested and tried for TREASON for his attack upon the same Document.

          • Harry

            I agree

          • http://charter susan

            so stop all the talking and some one in the government start doing something.

          • http://Nope OldNavy

            Yep and we know the punishment for said High Treason.
            Any volunteer’s for the squad?

          • http://personalliberty manosfate

            Some of these poor brainwashed fools in jack boots and gas masks think they will be taken care of by the elites they serve,(they’re on the inside track to advancement and fortune)but they will be “taken care of” the way the elites always take care of those they call “stupid animals”(the same way Hitler took care of his “SA”)Ha!

        • Loyd

          Colonel Herr should have been aware of both the way the UCMJ is applied within the military service and what the result of his action would, inevitably, be. In its present form the UCMJ simply carries on the effect and traditions of the, “Articles of War,” that preceded it and under which many fine officers and NCOs have been booted out of service.

          The valid reasons that General Billy Mitchell accused the War Department of, “criminal negligence,” in the administration of its Army and Naval air services have been proved to be completely accurate by history. The fact that he disobeyed a direct order from his superiors to give no more statements to the press was proven during his court martial and is also documented. In General Mitchell’s case, he did not live to see the Empire of Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbour (which he’d accurately predicted in the late 1920s). The purpose of the UCMJ is to uphold discipline within the military services.

          While Wayne is obviously a supporter of President Obama, he has a valid point about the UCMJ. Do I admire both Colonel Herr and General Mitchell for doing what was right in defiance of lawful orders of their respective superiors? Of course I do and I believe that we should all be grateful for actions that, though morally right, are contrary to established military (or civilian)legal precedent. We should be proud that our nation still produces such men – although there seem to be far fewer of them today than in years past.

          If our President actually was the man that he’d like us to think he is, with respect for justice rather than the letter of the law, he’d probably exonerate Colonel Herr from his dishonourable discharge – although it would be hard to justify allowing him to return to active service in light of having actually disobeyed, intentionally, a lawful order. Like General MacArthur, who was merely dismissed by President Truman although his offences against his Commander-in-Chief were far more onerous than were those of Colonel Herr, the Colonel was merely performing his duties as (to quote General MacArthur), “God gave me the light to see them.”

          The difference in our nation (for a time yet, anyway) and others is that, in many of their military services, his punishment would’ve been far more severe – perhaps even fatal.

          • Had ENUF

            I’m not a military person, but is it not in thier oath to protect, not the CIC, but the US Constitution, from enemies, both foreign and DOMESTIC? Isnt it clear yet that B.O has turned on who he took an oath to protect? I don’t think his dealings with the UN ‘AGAINST’

          • Old Timer

            It might be helpful for you to read Nazi Warcrimes Trials records and other WWII records of the executions of axis officers for “just following orders.”

            The present EH occupant has enough violations thatwe need to flood congress with petitions for articles of impeachment

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Loyd,
            I believe that Wayne is only partly right. I believe that if he checked he would find a clause in the UCMJ that states if a soldier truly thinks an order given is unlawful, he not only has a right to question, he has a DUTY to question said order!!

          • smilee

            Joe H. says:
            May 20, 2011 at 9:52 pm

            Joe so he has the right to question it and he did but if his question is not factual then he is accountable for his actions and in this case he was held accountable and he paid the price, no one said he could not question it.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Smiley,
            Wrong! He also has the right to present evidence pertaining to his case, even under courts martial!! In this case he was gagged!!! Don’t give me the bull$hit that his argument doesn’t pertain, it does!!

        • FuLL10

          Linda, the die is cast. Barakma banished the Boston Herald from reporting on his Royal Presence in Boston the other day because they published an unflattering comment that Mitt Romney made about Barakma. Once he completes his Royal (civilian) mercenary force that is to be “as powerful and as well funded as the current military” , the Pretender-in Chief will be better able to squish the “misguided”. And that too, of course, will be – STANDARD RESPOPNSE… “FOR THE CHILDREN”.

        • SpiritualMadMan

          AMEN! Especially when these paranoid power greedy ones violate posse coma tatas (sp?) and come to get our guns!

          I swore an Oath to obey *FIRST* the Constitution, then the President *BUT* only Constitutionally Lawful Orders. As defined and intended by the Founding Fathers not the liberal court system.

          Conscience has *always* been a quality, previously respected, of our Military Leaders.

          If this “entity” in the white house really did get a “new” Hawaiian Birth Certificate by abusing the adoption records laws it raises serious questions as to whether he is a radical muslim sleeper, actually born in Kenya and trained up in the way that he should go in a Radical Muslim Masdras (sp?) from which he has never departed.

          His legitimacy *must* be questioned!

          Especially when his treasonous actions speak so abundantly.

          • http://Nope OldNavy

            I got this in email.
            I have since searched the web and found the data here.
            The Talaban leader in the White House is a fraud and has comitted acts of High Treason.
            I also downloaded the posted BC from the White House and examined it myself.
            I opened it in Adobe Illistrator. It is not merily a scanned copy, it is modified in many important areas with AI.

            Email below:
            Here we go again!!!!!!
            As you all know, Donald Trump made a big deal about Obama’s birth certificate. As of yesterday, the White House released the birth certificate.
            I will tell you right now that I had never given this “birther” issue any credit. I watched the hype and the crazies come out. I completely dismissed the entire ordeal altogether. In fact, it was not until the White House released the birth certificate that it had gained my attention.
            I am the studious sort of guy, and I have plenty of time on my hands. So, I took a close look at this document. While I would have thought that this issue would have been closed for good (and, got the crazies to crawl back into their holes),
            I found two extremely strange inconsistencies that merit some attention.
            First of all, the birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama’s birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama’s birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama’s father was born in “Kenya, East Africa”. This wouldn’t seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama’s birth, and 27 years after his father’s birth. How could have Obama’s father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the “British East Africa Protectorate”. But, this is not the only thing that I found that just does not jive.
            The other item that I looked into was the hospital that Obama was born in. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is “Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital”. This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called “KauiKeolani Children’s Hospital” and “Kapi’olani Maternity Home”, respectively. The name did not change to Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?
            Go ahead, look it up. I am not talking crazy talk, these are the facts. Like I said, I thought that this was a non-issue until the actual certificate was released. Now that it has been released, of course I had to look into it. I have found these issues, now I know that something is up. If you doubt me, just look at the following resources:
            Sure as hell, the hospital part is true, as you can read about the 1978 merger here. http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx

          • DC

            You and old navy should send this info to Glenn Beck and Shawn Hannity, they will get it to the public.

          • Jovianus

            Old Navy…you should delete that email and place the sender in your spam alert. Both the Kenya East Africa and the nospital name have been thoroughly debunked.

            Birthers are going wild making stuff up since they’re being shown to be complete and utter fools having been taken in by others having an agenda to destroy this nation. Rather than admit they have been made fools of, and publically shown to be fools…they’re grasping at false straws now in vain attempts to recoiver somwething of thier shattered pride and ego.

        • http://facebook john

          linda,—wayne is not worried about that.he would NEVER.disagree with his lord and savior,–OBUMMER.

          • smilee

            Disagreeing is vastly different than failure to follow orders, no one said he couldn’t disagree that was not he was called on to answer to.

          • JC

            But Smilee (eddie,jovi,pastor,denniso…)
            What if the guy ultimatly giving the order is an imposter and a fraud?
            And what if that same fraud ordered American troops to fire on Americans? Let alone send them off to an immoral, undeclared war..

            Sorry my ststist little friend, but your logic is flawed beyond all measure of morality.

          • Jovianus

            Well JC (DaveH, DaveAz, Time, Vigilant, Thamera or whiomever you choose to post under)…

            if you can show that pres. Obama is inelgible to hold office…maybe a court decision ? Otherwise, he has been certified as eligible by all 50 states Electoral Colleges and election boards when he ran for the office, and there is no court decision which has decided otherwise when presented with the supposed “evidence” …

            Face it, every time you birthers bring up the subject, you have nothing to back up your wild rantings of insanity except made up “proof”. And every time you cite somethig or paste some ludicrous email..it’s shown again to be false. Yet..a few days later you repost it and claim it true.

            Altheimer’s must be rampant amongst the TPers….

        • rebel5871

          Linda,
          i agree with you. he (wayne) is a fool. our impostor in chief. if he gets his way like he has so far. not only have anyone who speaks out against him arrested and jailed but he might go as far as to order them shot. calling them traitors. we have no idea just how far this ass will take matters. i am Vietnam Vet ( U S Navy. I to took that oath in 68. and to this day it still stands even though i am now a civilian. when we take that oath it is an oath for life.
          William

          • Vigilant

            John and rebel5871,

            You go too far. Nothing that Wayne said is inaccurate. And it matters not whether you support the president.

            Personally, I believe that the Obama administration is the largest threat to the survival of our Republic in history. That its socialist agenda is systematically destroying the guarantees of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. And that a re-election of Obama would signify the end of the beginning.

            Nonetheless, if I learned anything in my 24 years of military service, it’s that you DO NOT randomly disobey a lawful order without serious consequences. If you do not believe the order to be lawful (such as Lt. Cally’s abominable order), you have the right to disobey if it will save innocent human life.

            If, on the other hand, the lawfulness of the order does not involve loss of life, you DO NOT disobey the order. You must execute the order (under protest, if necessary), and take legal action AFTER you’ve accomplished the mission. If you were indeed in the military and do not remember this principle, then you were mentally AWOL during basic training.

        • kodster5

          The point of the article isn’t an argument of whether Lakin got a fair trial or not. He did, because the UCMJ did it by the book. The issue was whether or not Lakin disobeyed orders, which is what he did. Guilty.

          However, the point of the article was… it could have all been avoided, a man who has had an illustrious career in the military, was good at his job and was making a career of it (and was only 3 years from retirement at full pension, if he so desired), if only the Army and Obama had avoided the questions that he wanted answered, was destroyed by Obama’s arrogance. It is the irony of the fact that 2 days before Lakin is released, Obama FINALLY releases his so-called birth certificate (it is still up for grabs whether or not it is legitimate, and the one he did produce still leaves the question of whether or not he is eligible since BOTH parents, prior to 2001, HAD to be US citizens, and his father was not, at the time of his son’s birth), yet Lakin is the one has been penalized for it.

          For that, it is shameful of Obama and his administration, for ruining Lakin’s life.

        • Jon

          Hey Vigilant,

          Commissioned oath of office says “I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC” so he was defending the Constitution because Obummer refused to supply his BC and pays millions of dollars to hide all his records, so who’s to know if he is the rightful Pres. I’d say he was holding up his oath. Great job Colonel!

        • Patty

          Vigilant is correct. My sister has 1 more tour in Iraq, and then she is out. She has a lot of contempt for her Commander, but as she says, there is nothing I can do about it until my service is over.

        • Annie Ladysmith

          The Jackass has gotten away with shreding up the law of the land, putting his corrupt marxist cronnies in powerful positions, and treating the American people like idiots. Now, he is HAARP BOMBING the bible belt and the militia belt into oblivion. How much more are we going to take? Newsflash: he is winning hands down at this point, we are only going to get weaker as they take out the patriot militias.

      • Jovianus

        Wayne:

        Hold onto your pants …I agree with what you wrote above 100%.

        • Carlucci

          Wayne is not a fool. When people enlist (volunteer) in the military, they are under and must obey direct orders from the POTUS.

          • x-US Army

            i take exception to your statement that ALL orders must be followed period. i sat in many classes where it was TOLD to us what illegal orders were and you must not carry out those orders under penalty of courts martial. Col Larkin was well within his rights as an American citizen to question o’s proof of place of birth. UCMJ appointed judges also work for o, whose career will be allowed to continue with an supeona to our cic, to provide a copy of a state stamped actual birt certificate ?

            if u served 24 years, u had to attend at least 1 of these classes.

            6 years in the real US Army Infantry.

          • Recon

            That is absolutely correct unlawful orders are not to be followed as a matter of fact it is your duty not to follow those orders. 4 years 31 Victor

          • JC

            X-US,
            You make a valid point. And the good Dr. was not questioning his orders, he was questioning the validity of the source of those orders.
            If for example our POTUS was a communist or someone bent on destroying the United States by way of economic tyranny that may or may not even be eligible to be POTUS…then by all means question the order to make war.
            The good Dr. has my respect.

          • Pathfinder

            Carlucci : It is the DUTY of all military personnel to disobey any and all UNLAWFUL orders. Military personnel are only required to obey LAWFUL orders. In this case Col Lakin was railroaded. He was prevented from presenting his case for his defense. This time a soldier was not prosecuted under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). Rather, Lakin was persecuted under Random Code of Military Injustice (RCMI). (BTW I am, myself, a retired enlisted man; formerly with the Airborne Infantry.)

          • Wayne937

            I do not believe anyone, even in the military, has to obey an unlawful order. What if Obama would order one of his top commanders do something that they knew they were not capable of doing. You know, like swimming across the Mighty Mississippi while the flood is up. Would the stupid military judges still go along with Obama if this commander would refuse? This may sound a little out of character, but a lot of things that Obama does is out of character.

          • Kinetic1

            Wayne937,
            The military has ordered men to commit themselves to almost certain death more times than any of us care to think. Consider my step father who was serving during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Every man on his boat was given last rights before deploying to the region. They all knew that if the order was given to advance that their odds were slim at best.

            No soldier is expected to obey an illegal order, such as the unnecessary slaughter of women and children, but the legality of this order was not in question by Col. Lakin’s superiors. He voiced his opposition and it was addressed. Just because he was not satisfied by the response, that does not give him the right to continue to disobey an order based on his personal feelings. What would you say if he had argued that Bin Laden was already dead and therefore we had no reason to be in Afghanistan? Many of you believe that to be true as well, so would that be an acceptable reason to refuse to deploy?

          • Juan TwoThree

            Oh, come OOOOONNN…before you splatter gribble-grabble BULL, check your facts out…..people like you are the ones who start riots…what, ar eyou a friggin Liberal newpaper journlist(??). All you had to do was look on-line and READ the MCOJ (Military Code of Justice) AND/OR call one of your local military bases, reserve untis…they would have set you very clear on what policies are and then you will see how out of line you are….and you wasted many people’s minutes/breathes by having to look at and read your garbage!!

            Semper Fi

          • Stanley

            If a soldier (I am ex-military) is to blindly obey all orders, then there would have been no need for war crime investigations and trials following WWII. A soldier also has a duty to question any orders he/she feels are not legal.

            This was not a “life-or-death” decision/order that needed to be followed immediately, it was a deployment. I personally missed a deployment once and didn’t spend 1 minute in jail and still left the US Army with an Honorable Discharge – but, of course, I wasn’t bucking the government.

            It is a shame anybody had to take such a drastic stance when it could have been resolved years ago with O showing a copy of his REAL birth certificate when it first came to question – but then, maybe it wasnt’ forged yet!

          • http://Nope OldNavy

            Here we go again!!!!!!
            As you all know, Donald Trump made a big deal about Obama’s birth certificate. As of yesterday, the White House released the birth certificate.
            I will tell you right now that I had never given this “birther” issue any credit. I watched the hype and the crazies come out. I completely dismissed the entire ordeal altogether. In fact, it was not until the White House released the birth certificate that it had gained my attention.
            I am the studious sort of guy, and I have plenty of time on my hands. So, I took a close look at this document. While I would have thought that this issue would have been closed for good (and, got the crazies to crawl back into their holes),
            I found two extremely strange inconsistencies that merit some attention.
            First of all, the birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama’s birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama’s birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama’s father was born in “Kenya, East Africa”. This wouldn’t seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama’s birth, and 27 years after his father’s birth. How could have Obama’s father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the “British East Africa Protectorate”. But, this is not the only thing that I found that just does not jive.
            The other item that I looked into was the hospital that Obama was born in. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is “Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital”. This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called “KauiKeolani Children’s Hospital” and “Kapi’olani Maternity Home”, respectively. The name did not change to Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?
            Go ahead, look it up. I am not talking crazy talk, these are the facts. Like I said, I thought that this was a non-issue until the actual certificate was released. Now that it has been released, of course I had to look into it. I have found these issues, now I know that something is up. If you doubt me, just look at the following resources:
            Sure as hell, the hospital part is true, as you can read about the 1978 merger here.
            http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx

          • JC

            Another indication that barry is a fraud!
            Good work Old Navy.

      • The7hson

        As much as I despise Obama, I have to agree with Wayne. Col. Lakin made a big mistake in disobeying a lawful order and paid the penalty. Whether Obama is actually a natural-born American or not is completely irrelevant in this case. Col. Lakin received orders to deploy and did not deploy – cut and dried – he screwed up.

        As for criticisms of the way he was prosecuted, just remember what John Kenneth Galbraith said, “Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.”

        Speaking as a veteran of both the Cold War and Operation Iraqi Freedom, I have to say that I understand the colonel’s doubts about the president but seriously question the colonel’s judgement regarding how he acted on those doubts.

        • Colleen

          You are exactly correct. Col. Lakin was wrong in what and how he did and should have been court martialed for this. I also agree that if he had serious doubts about the president’s nationality and eligibility to be president, he should have resigned his commission and gone from there. Stand on principle and see how far it gets you in the military. Proud daughter of USAF (ret/deceased) dad, and three brothers who also served our country in the Marines, Navy, Army.

          • JC

            Colleen, as a good citizen if you are ordered out of your home and onto a train, will you obey?
            At what point do you draw the line?
            The Dr. knew where he was drawing his.

          • Kinetic1

            JC,
            Don’t confuse the responsibilities of a responsible American citizen with those of the enlisted. your argument does point to one truth: If the Col. wanted the right to refuse an order he should have returned to the life of an average citizen.

          • Jovianus

            Larkin used a civilian policial issue to disobey a military order. It wasn’t an “illegal” order. Larkin crossed the line. In our system, the military is not to interfere or second guess civilian rule. Civilians are the top dog in the food chain, not the military.

            If Larkin had issues with civilian political issues…as wacked out as the argument is, he should have resigned and joined in the debate as a civilian. He didn’t…he got off light.

            Anyione giving lakin one ounce of respect or sympathy for disobeying a military order because of his issues with civilian policial debate is doing the US Military AND our nation a huge insult.

          • Christin

            Good comment, JC… train rides can kill… just saying, you have to know history.

            Good for Lt.Col. Terry Lakin for standing up for America, the American Military, himself, and being an American “Who Can Still Use His Head’ and think on his own. We support your need to know the TRUTH.

            obummer is a fraud and Lakin knows it and so do most of us. No one buys obummer’s newly made fake Birth Certificate.

            Question with Boldness and don’t be a Stupid sheeple led to slaughter.

            10% LEAD
            80% FOLLOW
            and
            10% Act Stupidly (violently riot, blow things up, or kill people)

            Which are you guys going to be….

          • JeffH

            Jovi-commie said “Larkin used a civilian political issue to disobey a military order. It wasn’t an “illegal” order.”

            First off, Lt. Col. Terry Lakin name is just that, not “LARKIN”. That aside, How can you honestly say, because we all know you to be dis-honest, that “Larkin/Lakin” used a civilian issue to disobey a military order. This has been an “American” issue and last I checked, Lakin was an American in the American.

            Get your facts straight ya faker.

          • Vicki

            Multiple judges in the civilian courts have claimed that the people do not have “standing” to question Obama’s eligibility. Lt. Col. Terry Lakin did a very courageous thing by challenging the order as it would be much harder to claim he did not have “standing”.

            The actions of the Military in regards to his trial show how deep the corruption goes.

          • DaveH

            And Jovianus says “If Larkin had issues with civilian political issues…as wacked out as the argument is, he should have resigned and joined in the debate as a civilian”.

            Wacked out? And what exactly do you call the advice that Larkin should have resigned? Are you kidding? If you sign up with the military you don’t just resign.

        • Jim

          Seriously, this is like refusing to pay taxes because you think the requirement to pay income taxes is unconstitutional. How many people on all sides of the political divide have been convicted for this flaky position? One of the basic tenets of principled disobedience is to accept the punishment for your acts no matter how sincere your beliefs. This is pure whining.

          • JC

            Pathetic. Spoken like a well trained hamster.

            Income tax is not only unethical it is a statist tool of
            controlling the quality of your existence, and nothing more.

            Is “conformity” the American way in your mind?
            Or are we a nation of individuals?

          • JC

            I’ll apologize for the hamster remark. It was uncalled for.
            I still disagree with income tax and unconstitutional orders.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Jim,
            You are comparing apples and cumquats!!! Taxes are a CIVILLIAN problem and unless it has changed, when you are in a combat zone in a foreign country, they pay NO TAXES!!!

        • JD

          I strongly believe that Obama is in the White House Illegally, and the powers to be will forever deny us the truth and defend him and the democratic party at ANY COST. In my opinion, our government operates under the belief that they know what is best for our country, since in their eyes we are too stupid to see and appreciate the future they invision for us. So, when a politician lies, they truly believe that the ends will justify the means. ( Like when Pelosi made the incrediable statement that we need to pass the health care bill to see whats in it).

          Having said that, I also believe that LtCol Lakin’s biggest mistake is that he assumed that the majority of our patriotic citizens and so called courageous politicians would have the same amount of intestinal fortitude to back him as he had, which he so gravely demonstrated when questioning Obama’s qualifications to be the rightful Cammander-In-Chief. Ronald Reagan said it best with the following quote “Trust but Verify”, . Again, in my opinion, our justice system is set up at the highest levels to protect the law makes and screw the rest of us PEE-ONS. Do you know any politicians who have Moral Courage? Make your vote count and vote for them. Wake up America, the land that I LOVE.!!!

          Semper Fi, Live Free or Die
          JD USMC Ret 1963-1993.

          • Vigilant

            “LtCol Lakin’s biggest mistake is that he assumed that the majority of our patriotic citizens and so called courageous politicians would have the same amount of intestinal fortitude to back him as he had…”

            Such is irrelevant to the charges and conviction. He disobeyed a lawful order and was correctly prosecuted under the UCMJ.

          • Kate8

            Vigilant – How can an order be lawful if it is given by an unlawful usurper?

            There is ample evidence of this. Just because O’s accomplices in crime choose to ignore this technicality doesn’t make it any less the case.

            I say Lakin was right in doing what he did. Being that O is under grave suspicion, he felt duty-bound to press the issue. Too bad the system is too far gone to respond in a proper manner.

          • Vigilant

            Kate8: “Vigilant – How can an order be lawful if it is given by an unlawful usurper?”

            And what order did Obama give? The notice of assignment to Afrghanistan comes under the title of “lawful general order.” It has nothing to do with any direct order given by any person.

            A general order or regulation is lawful unless it is contrary to the Constitution, the laws of the United States, or lawful superior orders or for some other reason is beyond the authority of the official issuing it.

            Shame on Chip Wood for saying, “Asking a question about your Commander in Chief became disobedience of a lawful order.” No, Mr. Wood, military personnel who disobey lawful orders are disciplined under Article 15 or court-martialled because of a refusal to act. Obama could be an alien from Mars, as far as I’m concerned, that’s not a reason or mitigating factor for disobeying a lawful general order, period.

            kate8, you said, “I say Lakin was right in doing what he did. Being that O is under grave suspicion, he felt duty-bound to press the issue. Too bad the system is too far gone to respond in a proper manner.”

            Lakin pressed the issue by engaging in behavior that he knew would land him in the brig. The court martial was convened to determine culpability in a case of failure to obey a lawful general order, and their ruling was impeccably correct.

          • DaveH

            Here’s a soldier who took a slightly different approach. Note that the army cancelled his deployment rather than face the risk of forcing Obama’s records to be produced in a court proceedings:
            http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106692

          • DaveH

            It’s important to note that Terry’s assignment to Afghanistan came well after he was pursuing the issue of whether or not Obama had a right to be Commander-in-Chief.
            Terry’s story:
            http://www.terrylakinactionfund.com/terry/timeline.html

            In my opinion, he was smart to not deploy to Afghanistan where his death might have been pre-planned.

      • Gary in Texas

        GET WAYNE SOME MORE KOOL AID !!!!
        WHAT AN IDIOT !!! BUSH IS THE ANSWER TO ALL THE PROBLEMS.. YEAH RIGHT.

        • Juan TwoThree

          Go pound some Arabian sand, you left wing-batted homo!

      • oldgringo

        Exactly…..You do not question the rule of the military…..Your job is to obay or go to your death trying…..Many of Hitler’s soldiers, officers and Generals met with a firing squad for questioning the Fuher’s policies and or orders…..Many more were convicted by Allied Trials after the war for obeying the orders of their commanding officers i.e. war crimes…..If you are in the US Military you give up your right’s to be treated fairly…..Your rights under the US Constitution which you have sworn to uphold do not apply to you as a US member of the Armed Forces…..You are defacto no longer a US citizen!

        • DaveH

          So, we have people with no rights of citizenship who are supposed to protect our liberty as citizens?
          It amazes me what people believe these days (not directed at you oldgringo).

        • Pathfinder

          oldgringo : That is sooo bad it is not even good enough to be wrong. As soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines; we do not surrender our GOD GIVEN rights. We retain all of them. However, we do accept some limitations on them for the sake of the “good order and discipline” of the US military. As for obeying orders, every military member knows that they are bound by duty to BOTH obey lawful orders AND to disobey any and all unlawful orders. Col Lakins court martial was not a proper trial; but a kangaroo court. It may as well have been held in a train station for all of the railroading that went on.

          • Vigilant

            Lakin pleaded guilty to disobeying a lawful order.

            From the trial record: “LTC Lakin elected to be tried by a panel of officers. The defense asked the judge to advise the members that LTC Lakin had pled guilty to violating lawful orders, and that his pleas were accepted.”

            Case closed.

          • DaveH

            The case is closed only for people who don’t have open minds. Here is Terry’s story:
            http://www.terrylakinactionfund.com/terry/timeline.html

          • Vigilant

            Dave, there’s absolutely nothing on that site that mitigates the reason for court-martial. As I said, Obama may very well be an alien, it matters nothing to the case. And Lakin should have been smart enough to know that he would get nowhere with it.

            In my service time I was promoted to Chief Master Sergeant (E9) Any current/former service member here can tell you one does not attain the highest enlisted rank without knowing his sh*t. Only 1 in 100 enlisted members can become CMSgt, and there are fewer E9s than there are Full Colonels (O6s) in the service. I’m not bragging, I’m telling you where I’m coming from, and that I know of what I’m speaking.

            Why is willful disobeyance of a lawful order punishable so heavily in the military? Two reasons: order and discipline. The absolute survival of the military depends upon it. Without it, every combat decision would become a town hall meeting. Combat troops do not have the luxury of staying in the trenches, or even delaying, when they’re told to go over the top. Teamwork is not everything, it’s more than that!

            Have any of you, former military or otherwise, considered that Lakin’s failure to obey a lawful order put some other Army officer in harm’s way? That his actions inserted exceptional rather than standard handling of a routine rotation of personnel? That a delay in arrival of a medical officer may have put combat troops in jeopardy by denying them a possibly crucial medical decision? No, I daresay you have not considered these things.

            An oath-taking military person writes that blank check to the American people, telling them that it’s cashable up to and including dying for our country. That’s not a platitude, it’s a fact of life. Lakin welched on that check for personal, selfish reasons. And he knew damn well that he had disobeyed a lawful order. He got exactly what he deserved.

            “The ends justifies the means” was made famous by the communists. When I see that the birthers are so blinded by hatred that they believe it’s OK to tear away at the very foundation of military discipline to prove their point, it breaks my heart.

            I’m sure that the birther question has a lot of legitimate points. Selfishly experimenting with the military justice system in a frivolous case is unconscionable. A thousand courts-martial could be convened over failures to obey lawful orders, and in every case the findings will be the same.

          • Jovianus

            Vigilant…you may be a wacked out, far right, paranoic who needs deep intensive therapy…but darned if you wrote a post that deserves respect and a new found respectful consideration for how your views of the world are shaped.

            Well written response. Even had I disagreed with it…well written.

            After reading your post, you summed it up nicely.

            Case closed

        • Nadzieja Batki

          If that is as you say, what country are they citizens of? From where do you come up with this load of manure. The soldiers vote, and only citizens are allowed to vote, so therefore soldiers are citizens.

          • Carol J

            You are wrong there. You no longer have to be a citizen of the US to vote. I watched one day while illegal immigrants from Mexico were being registered to vote in California. Most of them spoke no English at all. They were being registered using Mexican spanish. Why do you suppose we have to put up with the confusing and expensive bilingual ballots here?

          • Kate8

            Carol J – Democrats never met a law they wouldn’t ignore if it benefits them to do so.

        • halftruthlies

          Right,

          You said it, to uphold the constitution. Sure you have given up your rights as a US citizen, but not to your duty, and that is exactly what was going on in this case.

          Quit posting half-truths……

          How are you discerning this information you are reading? You are doing just what the media does, as well as the government. Taking pieces of a document that say what you want it to say; just to get your point across that now holds no real truth. Just to feel good about yourself, or to be a sheep led to slaughter, or maybe a follower instead of a real leader….
          Propaganda!!!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          oldgringo,
          I’ll say it again READ THE UCMJ AND SEE WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT QUESTIONING UNLAWFUL ORDERS!!!

        • ex 82nd paratrooper

          First of all, everyone needs to get one thing straight. There are two different oaths, one for enlisted, and one for the officers.The enlisted says, I will obey the orders of the president of the united states and the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the ucmj, so help me god. The officers oath states I will defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, that i will bear true faith and allegiance to the same. The fact that Lakin was an officer, according to the oath he took, it was his duty to question this usurper’s eligibility to be commander in chief. Had he been enlisted, he would have been wrong. Forget the birth certificate. He is not a natural born citizen. period. Then knowing this, the only officer that followed his oath was LTC Lakin. Every officer that followed his orders, is in direct conflict with the constitution, and the ucmj. It is important to understand the difference between the two oaths, and it sheds alot more light on just how bad LTC Lakin got the shaft. I say we right him in for president in 2012. At least we know he has honesty and integrity.
          that would be one out of 535.

          • Gene Farley

            Will you please clarify the last 2 sentences of your comment, ie.;
            “We should right him in as President in 2012. He has honesty and integrity,” Are you referring re-electing Obama?. I’m asking because I need to know for my own interest as to whether or not to even read your future comments.

          • JeffH

            Gene, he’s talking about Terry Lakin as a write in for POTUS.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Ex 82nd airborn,
            WRONG! The oath for enlisted is as follows:
            I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allgiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of The United States and the officers over me, according to the regulations and The Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
            /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
            The last sentence may be left out if you have a personal objection to it! (So Help Me God.)(

      • DaveH

        Does anybody know at what point in our history, the military lost their rights of citizenship?

        • Jovianus

          They didn’t Dave..that’s not the issue.

        • Pathfinder

          DaveH : To answer your question, “We never lost any of our GOD GIVEN rights.” We kept all of them. (At least I did.) However, we DID accept certain, temporary limits on them, for the “good order and discipline of the military” One example which I might cite is the command “At ease”. In spite of my freedom of speech, which I still retain, I am required to shut my mouth with that command. (This is ONLY valid in military contexts and I would certainly follow up any misuse of this command with an investigation under article 93, of anyone who misused it.)During my military career, the fact that I knew about, and was willing to file, article 93 complaints prevented abuse of my person by those who outranked me. Military personnel are still citizens and may NOT be abused.

        • Joan

          When those of you voted this person in office…. If hes voted in again we’ll lose much more then this!!!!

      • Joe

        Wayne, once Larkin received orders to A-Stan resigning his comission would’ve ceased to have been an option. Up until that time he was going through the correct process and in a civilian court would not have been able to show that he was harmed by the imposter in chief’s actions.

        • Wayne937

          Joe, your right. Colonel Lakin should have been tired in a civilian court, not a military court where they, military judges, are under the influence of Obama. He would have had the chance to produce evidence had he been tried in a civilian court. Obama would not want this though. Eric Holder, Obama’s AG, wants to try murdering terrorist in civilian court, but they would not extend that same priviledge to a decent man like Colonel Lakin. Yes, yes and yes, we do have a corrupted administation regardless of how many of you try to defend it. I would think any decent man, or woman, would want honesty withing their government. You folks that are protecting Obama on everything is does, may some day end up on the short end of stick and wish there was honesty in our military and the civilian courts. I hope this never happens, but it is a possibility. Think about that and let it sink it.

          • Christin

            Wayne937,

            Civilian Courts are not so great anymore and they are not what they use to be.

            ORIGINALLY, Courts use to be ‘Courts of Justice’… remember “it is better to let a guilty man go free that to imprison a innocent man.”

            THEN, courts became ‘Courts of Law’ where the Law was distorted and interpreted by Activist Judges or Highly paid Lawyers out to make a name for themselves.

            NOW, courts are just ‘Courts of Arbitration’ where the Court appointed Lawyer or hired Attorney “Arbitrate the case” between the accused and the police statement … and the Judge goes by the ‘agreement’ made by the those two parties or the Jury.

            The Justice system has fallen like many other things in our society as Good Men are not Leading anymore and the corrupt have taken hold of much.

      • Pathfinder

        Wayne : BULLS&*^ !!! Even under the UCMJ the accused is supposed to recieve a fair trial. Lakin was railroaded ! (BTW I am myself a military retiree with 20 years of service. Unlike Col Lakin, I served in the Airborne Infantry as an enlisted man.)

        • Jovianus

          How do you now he was railroaded? There were two questions..was the order illegal (no), did he refuse to obey it (yes). Case closed.

          • Pathfinder

            Jovianus : Again, BULLS&*%!! He was prevented from entering his evidence to contest the first question. Was the order unlawful ? You insist, “YES” but it is on this very point that I insist he was railroaded.

          • Pathfinder

            OOPS!! I meant to say that the order was unlawful. And you contend that the order was lawful I.E. Not unlawful. (Just typed it backwards.)

          • Jovianus

            Pathfinder..what court has ruled that pres. Obama is unConstitutionally able to hold the office? What SCOTUS ruling do you have stating that? Until there exists such a ruling…the order was lawful.

            Have a nice day

          • DaveH

            Unbelievable. How many times must I endure listening to Jovianus’s fallacious statements?
            Because an act has not been adjucated makes no difference as to whether or not an act is Unconstitutional. That would be like saying a murderer is not a murderer until a court decides so. Try telling that to the victim.

          • ex 82nd paratrooper

            j anus, are you that dumb? really? There are only two offfices in this country that you have to be a natural born citizen, president and vice president. A natural born citizen is a person born in this country of two parents born of this country. Our forefathers put his specific clause in there so you wouldnt get someone like…. osurper. Do some research and educate youself, and you might realize how the progresives have screwed this country over. or are you one of these people that will run over the cliff with the herd?

          • Jovianus

            OK DaveH…here’s a lesson. You wrote “Unbelievable. How many times must I endure listening to Jovianus’s fallacious statements?
            Because an act has not been adjucated makes no difference as to whether or not an act is Unconstitutional. That would be like saying a murderer is not a murderer until a court decides so. Try telling that to the victim.”

            It is that exactly. One is not a murderer until judged guilty of the crime. In addition, a law is presumed Constitutional until a court states it is unconstitutional. One is not civally liable for a debt until a court states so. Fact is DaveH, that’s why we have a court system. Now there’s your lesson for the day. There will be a test tomorrow so study it hard.

      • Chris

        The colonel said it best–”So he then did something he later admitted might not have been the smartest decision he ever made: He declined to go until he was shown the proof he had previously requested.

        I have to agree with you Wayne. As a former Commanding Officer, I would have written the colonel up for failure to obey a direct order, missing movement with his unit, and being AWOL. If you are going to make a big show; you better be right, or be ready to pay the price for your actions.

        • DaveH

          What happened to your oath to obey and protect the Constitution?

          • DaveH
          • Pathfinder

            DaveH : Lakin was keeping his oath. It was those members of the government who did not compel BHO to PROVE his eligibility under article II section one of the constitution who were violating their oaths to uphold and defend our constitution.

        • JC

          With all due respect, did it not occur to you that you yourself were implementing an illegal order? Or does being in the Military require you to abandon that sort of thinking and become a programmed automoton?

          • Vigilant

            chris is absolutely correct in his approach to the violation of a lawful general order. LAKIN PLEADED GUILTY TO DISOBEYING A LAWFUL ORDER. What part of that don’t you understand?

          • DaveH

            If Obama is not the legitimate Commander-in-chief, it IS NOT A LAWFUL ORDER! What part of that DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

          • Vigilant

            Dave,m

            Enlist in the military, stay a few years and come back and talk about it. Until you become a legal eagle with the Judge Advocare General, you obviously will have no conception of the nature of a lawful order.

            Or would you prefer to see the whole US Armed Forces stand down until your problem is resolved?

        • combatvet

          So Chris you were a commanding officer, obviously and sadly a supporter of Barry the fraudulent CNC. We all took and oath to support and defend the Constitution. Well, Chris we have a Constitutionally ineligible president, he was never vetted and all of his efforts to deceive with forensically proven fraudulent BC’s strengthens the case that every order issued by Barry is a violation of the UCMJ and indeed unlawful. Do you not find it odd that McCain was forced to disgorge all of his records while Barry got a pass when he was one of the signatories to that legislation?

          As some have stated here, it is the responsibility of military personnel, that under the UCMJ an order whose lawful nature is in question, must be disobeyed. This issue was made clear when I was in and my brother, a former Jag and now a retired judge told me that the basic right of discovery is a right that must be afforded to a soldier during a court marshal. Whether you agree with Lakin or not this was a violation of his constitutional right, which we don’t relinquish as soldiers. To have legal representation and be provided an opportunity with counsel to present a viable defense including discovery. This was not a trial, this was a lynch mob run by a judge who was being directed by your hero Barry to deny this war hero due process. We all took an oath to support and defend the Constitution, there is nothing in that oath that states therefore we relinquish all of our rights under said Constitution. We’re a nation of laws, military or not. There wouldn’t be a need for the UCMJ or two sides to a court marshal if only one side had the right to defend their position. Chris why do you think your oath as an officer is different than that of an enlisted man? In the oath you swore to it did not require you to adhere to the UCMJ and to disobey unconstitutional orders. A fraudulently elected CNC is an unconstitutional act, the fact that he was illegally placed on the ballot in 49 states disqualifies him outright. The sentence left out by the DNC in those 49 states was the part that declares he’s constitutionally eligible for the office. Pelosi, at the direction of Barry, filed these fraudulent certifications in all but Hawaii, as they refused to put him on the ballot with that sentence omitted, the other states attorney generals were complicit in the coverup, hmm………think about it? Copies of the ballot certifications of both the DNC and the RNC were posted numerous times on the internet, both versions submitted by the DNC with Pelosi’s signature and the single submission by the RNC. Massive fraud swept under rug and our men and women are dying for tyrannical government led by traitors who violate daily the oath they are giving up life and limb to defend! Lakin is the hero here, Barry is the criminal!

          • Vigilant

            You birthers are so blinded by hatred of Obama that you would be willing to destroy the order and discipline of the military to achieve your ends. That, in my book, is more traitorous than a lot of other things I could think of.

            Lakin admitted he was stupid to disobey a lawful order, and PLEADED GUILTY TO DOING SO. It’s a damn good thing that the lawfulness of orders is determined by professionals and not the hordes of half-baked armchair lawyers I saw in the service.

            The birther issue may be entirely legitimate. So what? That entitles NO ONE to disobey a lawful order. Ther are a hundred other ways to skin that cat. Destroying the military is not one of them.

          • DaveH

            And those who ignore violations of our most precious law — The Constitution, are blinder than the birthers.
            Some people like to keep an open mind about the whole thing, Vigilant. Your way or the highway just doesn’t cut it on this site.

          • Vigilant

            “And those who ignore violations of our most precious law — The Constitution, are blinder than the birthers.”

            The only proven violation of the Constitution was Lakin’s contempt for lawful orders. When you prove in a court of law that Obama’s a pretender, then we can talk.

            “Some people like to keep an open mind about the whole thing, Vigilant. Your way or the highway just doesn’t cut it on this site.”

            An open mind is not a mind that denies the law of the land, and the military tradition/law that has kept the nation free. How much time have you spent in the service, Dave? Do you think officers and enlisted can disobey lawful orders for any reason they can come up with?

            Nor is an open mind one that disregards previously undivulged information (facts) because it doesn’t fit neatly into the preconceptions. No Dave, your studied denial of facts that don’t fit your theories are something I expected from the left.

            “Your way or the highway just doesn’t cut it on this site.” Had you spent time in the US Armed Forces, you’d know that “their way or the highway” IS the rule. Neither Terry Lakin nor any servicemember has the luxury of disobeying a lawful order unless it involves the taking of innocent life.

          • Vigilant

            Please scratch “unless it involves the taking of innocent life” from the last sentence.

      • TIME

        Wayne,

        To a point you are 100% correct, but the facts are not always as clear cut as a “Military CM” would like things to be.

        In fact the old adgae of two wrongs don’t make a right would be applicable here.
        Such as when the noted court disallowed Mr Lakin a proper defence, that did far more damage to the US Military’s value than any other act they committed.

        Thus I submit the following;
        (When an Officer receives an ORDER that he feels is wrong, or is not valid,) Or that would premote war crimes by false leadership.
        “It is that Officers “Moral as well Ethical responsibility” to not only question said orders, but to also outrigh disobey said orders when said orders far excede the Values of Moral & Ethical Laws of Man kind.”
        Who made that statment?
        I will tell you, that statment was used convicted over 5500 Nazi Officers during the Post WW II War Crimes Trials in Germany 1947 -1955. BTW, of that number well over 1/2 were hung by the neck until dead. Of the remaining number 70% were placed in prison for no less than 30 years. 25% were placed in jail for life.

        Thus I again submit that Mr. Lakin not only upheld his pledge to defend the Constitution of the United Statres of America, He also uphelp his Moral & Ethical Orders from a higher Power. He as well uphelh his Pledge to the Citizens of the United States of America.

        I for one Thank God that we have such persons with this amount of “COURAGE.”

        • Joe_KS

          Time,

          Well said.

        • Pathfinder

          TIME : I agree 100%. It is the duty of all military personnel to refuse any and all UNLAWFUL orders.

          • Jovianus

            Who determines whether the orders are lawful? So everyone in the military can question orders at any time and not worry that if they are wrong in their determination no repurcussions? they don’t have to worry about the fact they are under civilian rule? Nice…so every man and woman in the front lines who believes Obama is an American born citizen has to worry if the backup folks are deciding that maybe…maybe..he isn’t so they can sit around and have a debate?

            Give me a break…you guys are so far out of touch with reality, it is going beyond the bounds of humor.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Jovianus, whats up, no duel personality today?_ Talk about being credible?__

          • combatvet

            Jovianus,

            Have you not figured out yet that you and the other progressive posters not welcome here!

            The only person out of touch with reality is you and your idolatry of the fraud Barry Hussein. What gives you a right to an opinion on this matter? Where did you serve? It’s easy for a coward to spout bull in support of a constitutionally ineligible dweeb with no cultural connection to America, while my brothers in arms are losing life and limb at the behest of that criminal.

            Why don’t you troll the Huffington blog, more suitable to you disdain for the Constitution. This blog, personallberty.com is for patriots, you, an obvious Barry Soetero Hussein Dunham ( God knows how many other names), worshiper don’t qualify.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            jovi
            If I remember your own words, you haven’t spent two minutes in the service, yet you say WE are so far out of touch?!?!?!? We who have served, have had to actually DEAL with the UCMJ!!!!

          • Jovianus

            Never said if I did military or not before. I did state I have my Draft Card (still have it which is more than probably most of you ‘patriotic’ TPers).

            It has nothing to do with serving in the military or not. It is a matter of civilian rule being over than of military opinion deciding civilian political issues. Vigilant was absolutely 100% correct above.

            It’s not for the military to decide who is or isn’t legally entitled to the office or of any other aspect of civilian life. That is for the civilian courts to decide. He refused to obey a lawful order. Any other determination would place military opinion above that of civilian court decisions. And that, Sparky, means military rule. Case closed.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            jovi,
            Well there, boy, you just demonstrated my point about you speaking on a subject you know nothing about. Had you ANY knowledge, you would know he has the right to compile a defense and they have to let him present his case, even under courts martial!!! He was not permitted to discuss his defense in court therefore, he was railroaded!!!

        • Christin

          Thanks TIME.

          Excellently stated.
          That is how I see it, too.

        • Carlucci

          Time, I agree with you 100%. But since meat puppet and imposter Ovomit and the rest of a criminal cabal is ruling the U.S. right now under the guise of “government”, isn’t the military under the wing of that imposter, and must do as told? Isn’t that basically what happened when Nazi Germany’s thugs, psychopaths, and criminals posed as “government”,
          and the military had to follow orders? Those that did not met a terrible end.

          Don’t get me wrong – I admire what Lt. Col. Lakin did. It took a lot of guts to do what he did. I guess he didn’t realize that the U.S. military is under the rule and will of a criminal cabal.

          • Kate8

            Carlucci – The answer is a resounding NO, and I’ll tell you why.

            As stated above, the military oath is to uphold and defend the CONSTITUTION of the United States against ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic, NOT the POTUS/Commander in Chief.

            There is HUGE question among most of this nation as to the legitimacy of this Presidency. There is ample evidence that this man is a USURPER, a foreign operative, and does not meet the Constitutional requirements for his office. In fact, to any honest person, it’s obvious that our entire system is heavily infiltrated by enemies.

            By his oath, he was duty-bound to raise this question. The fact that Obama refuses to reveal himself is further evidence that things are gravely amiss, and he is the one who is on the wrong side of the Law.

            If a soldier were required to obey the CIC no matter what, we’d have no prostection against a usurper. What we need are MORE of our military people to raise questions, and refuse to continue service until the usurper is marched off in handcuffs.

            The fact that this could happen shows that our system is not functioning, and that enemies are at the helm.

          • BrotherPatriot

            Carlucci & kate8 are spot on.

      • Joe_KS

        Wayne,

        You are right in what you said. That’s the way it is. Frankly, I am surprised that a man can rise to the rank of Lt. Col. and not know this would have been the outcome.

        Having said that, Lt. Col. Lakin certainly did have a good point. Why should ALL Americans be required to present their birth certificates for one reason or another at one time in their lives or other and a man in the presidential office be exempt from doing so? Frakly, Obamas’ arrogance in refusing to prove his citizenship disgusts me. I don’t believe he is qualified to lead an army of piss ants to a picnic, given his attitudes. What ever he may or man not be, he most certainly is not a “leader” acquainted with honor in any sense of the word. I have gotten to the point that I believe absolutely nothing I see and hear about him or from him.

        I suppose one can always point out that a soldier should not dishonor the office of the presidency. It’s just to damn bad the occupant of that same office can heap dishonor in piles wherever he and the missus choose to do so.

        Not long ago any criticism of Obama was declared to be “racism”. A white man who opposes the likes and desires of the collective desires of so many African Americans (Thank God for those Blacks with enough sense to know better) is defacto guilty of racism in the cesspool of the gutless, spineless political correctness.
        He is never given credit for so much as being capable of a non-racist opinion. Well, here is one any way: I am not racist. As a matter of fact, Obamas’ skin color is the only thing about him I CAN tolerate. He disgusts me and no amount of dishonor toward the office of the Presidency can do it more harm than a president who despises our country, our freedom, our economy, our way of life, our military the way this man evidently does.

        • Kansas Kahuna

          Joe_KS…Well said! I fully agree, this fraud needs to be evicted from office!

      • Wayne937

        This Wayne is different from Wayne937.

      • Pathfinder

        Wayne : Lakin’s evidence was germane and relevant to the subject of his trial. Thus denial of admittance of this evidence was unjust. Lakin was railroaded; NOT properly convicted.

        SSG
        U S Army
        Retired

        • Jovianus

          ummm..so you’re saying a military court will issue decisions on a civilian political issue which the civilian courts have chosen to toss out of court time and again. So if the military court decides the civilian courts are wrong? What then? We as civilians accept a military order?

          Jeesh…don’t you guys ever think ????

      • Wayne937

        Wayne, maybe that is why Obama’s AG, Eric Holder, is wanting to try the terrorist in civilian court. He is most likely worried they will be found guilty in the military court.

        • Judy j

          Yes they will be found guilty in military court…then President Obama himself would be the one to sign the execution orders and there in lies the rub. He would be signing execution orders for fellow muslims.
          Obama promised the Saudis once he finished addressing his premier, domestic issue…health care…he would then show them, in no uncertain terms, just how loyal he is to the Muslim world. We are currently witnessing this with our own eyes.
          First, he has stirred the pot in an already tinder pot of the Middle East…now he is trying to push Israel into a position which would certainly spell their doom and demise. American Jews who continue to support this man should relinqish their right to call themselves Jews.

      • THOMAS STEWART

        Comrade Wayne You And The Commie Judge Denise Lind Stop Drinking That Obama Kool-Aid, That Col Lakins Trial Was Nothing But A Kangaroo Court, Yikeess, The Right To Discovery And Forbade The Defense From Producing Any Evidence Or Military Experts Who Might Persuade The Court-Martial Panel And Embarrass Barack Obama, Yikeess, Guilty. God Bless America And Lt Col Terry Lakin A Real American Hero.

      • Pathfinder

        Wayne : You continue to dodge the main point. Lakin questioned the legality of the order. By insisting that he disobeyed a lawful order; you are “begging the question”. Even under the UCMJ the accused enjoys the RIGHT to a fair trial. Lakin was NOT given a fair trial. This particular court martial was rigged. Lakin was railroaded. And, you are continuing to try the same tactics here. Remember the Nurimberg trials, “I was only following orders” is not a valid defense. Therefore; all military personnel are duty bound to disobey UNLAWFUL orders.

        SSG
        U S ARMY
        Retired

      • Old Henry

        Wayne:

        The Supreme Court ruled on Bush post haste.

        The same bunch of spineless worms have continually run from the issue of the Communist-In-Chief occupying OUR WH.

      • vagabond

        Wayne the key word is lawful. as in a lawful elected leader, Col. Larkin was questioning whether or not obummer was a lawful resident and therefore a lawful president. when our men and women enter the service they do not drop their citisenship and are entiteled to all of the rights and protection the rest of us are, your hero should have posted a valid birth certificate from the start in which case non of this would never have happened and a man obummer is unfit to lick his boots would not have suffered as Co. Larkin has. but you probably dont understand that, Col. Larkin should be reinstated with all back pay and allowances,

        • Kansas Kahuna

          Well said, and if the truth is ever made known, I will crawl on my belly if need be to watch Obama swing from the Leavenworth gallows!

        • Dan az

          The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809.ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the “lawful command of his superior officer,” 891.ART.91 (2), the “lawful order of a warrant officer”, 892.ART.92 (1) the “lawful general order”, 892.ART.92 (2) “lawful order”. In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.
          He followed the laws of the umcj and obummer gave the order to silence him what else needs to be said!Its nothing new just the same old crap.

          • Kate8

            Dan az, I agree with you. Obama has deliberately kept his legitimacy in doubt, and I think he’s enjoying it.

            Lakin got a raw deal. What he did was not just for himself, but he was, in a real sense, doing his sworn duty on behalf of the people of this nation. We all thought that, since the issue had been tossed in courts for “lack of standing”, then surely a military person would have standing.

            This is an unmistakable message to us that Obama is above the law; that he is, in fact, a dictator, and no one has standing anymore. If this whole issue doesn’t demonstrate that America is no longer operating under the people’s Constitution, I don’t know what does.

        • Pathfinder

          vagabond : I agree. In addition, if we are all supposed to be equal under the law; why does it take a famous, millionare (Donald Trump) to finally get BHO to show the birth certificate, while it is denyed to a Colonel in our military. I think that this shows that BHO has respect only for money, and the rich.

      • Kinetic1

        Wayne,
        Did you expect a reasoned response from the average reader of this site? Of course you are correct that the outcome of Col. Lakin’s actions were inevitable. Of course this had nothing to do with the President’s personal desire to shut up those who would question his authority. The Col. was given a direct order to deploy, not a request to join the party. Since I have long questioned the motive behind our wars in the Middle East I can’t say that I don’t sympathize with any soldier who does not want to be deployed yet again, but Col. had to know that this would be the outcome no matter who the sitting President.

        • Pathfinder

          Kinetic1 : Nice try, but the responses which I have read here have been both logical and well reasoned. Your own insistance that they are not, is evidence only of your own close-minded defense of this usurper. The sheer arrogance of this modern day furher (BHO) is unconsionable. Again, I insist that Col Lakin was railroaded. (BTW I did expect that his conviction would be the outcome; just as I would expect that anyone who helped hide jews in Germany in 1942 AD would be picked up and tortured by the gestapo. Running afoul of tyranny often works that way.)

          • combatvet

            Pahtfinder,

            I agree with you. Kenetic or Frenetic or whatever its name is, is nothing but one of a handful of serial trolls that have been ordered to post their tripe on the patriotic site. To support your position, my brother was a JAG officer and is a retired Judge. His opinion on this matter is very clear, Lakin was denied due process under the UCMJ as discovery is required for the defense present their side of the case. You do not give up your Constitutional right to due process because you are in the military. The Officer’s oath requires them to disobey an order whose source they believe is questionable.

            Vietnam Vet
            11E10
            HD Oct. ’71

      • Kansas Kahuna

        To Wayne, from a military perspective, you are 100% correct! HOWEVER, being correct does not make it right!

        The following is a copy of an email I just sent to a host of friends…
        Jailed For Questioning Barack Obama »
        Read the FULL STORY!…I woke up feeling good today, that is until I read this article by Chip Woods. Then I got physically sick to my stomach.

        Anyone with a lick of sense and an open mind, after having investigated the evidence at hand, knows that the birth certificates produced by our illustrous FRAUD IN CHIEF, were as fake and phony as he! (See Alex Jones infowars.com re Obama’s long form BC)

        You can just delete the story of a railroaded hero and not know the facts of story…or you can read the article and end up chancing on being sick like me! I wonder just how much longer the American public is going to stand for this dictator and sham of a president, who is destroying our country piece by piece each day, or by banding together now to do something about it!…w AKA Kansas Kahuna in the commenting circles.

      • http://www.michael-mcdermott.ws Michael McDermott

        Question: Do you give up your rights as a citizen when you join the military. All citizens, military or not have a right to question the questionable. What he should had did is say he could not present his birth certificate at that time. The military already had his birth certificate on file, why didn’t they just send it to the sector that requested it instead of asking him again for his birth certificate. He had already proved himself honorable and did his part for his country. To me, this alone is an outrage. Yet, at the same token, I agree with his non-conformity because aren’t we all asked to provide proof of our identification of sorts when we travel, when we look for jobs, when we make investments or buy a home? Why should he or the President be under any other mandate than those of the very people the Commander and Chief reside?

        I come from a military family and understand that they live by completely different codes, yet it sounds like military personnel do not have this thing called FREEDOM OF OPINION OR SPEECH.

        Another thing is, he had every right to provide witnesses, and to defend his case, and was not given that right? By law, every citizen has a right to defend themselves in court. Civilian or Military. This was not right. So, if you question the President or anything or disagree with the President or our government, we should not say anything about it? He should not have said anything about it. It is like we all have become sheep and follow the leader without question. That is not a democracy. That is not the America I know.

        Yet, the point he made is very clear and I must applaud him for taking a stance or something. If more people did that today, than our country would not be in such a shambles. Yet we have people that are afraid to speak, exactly because of the reason he suffered (jail time), so doesn’t that mean that we are thrown the fear of God, or the fear of something else, if we should speak up. WAKE UP, this is where our country is heading. Your rights are being taken away, and it will be the military that we have to worry about as — as you so stated, they are bound by a different set of codes.

        Bully for you Lt Colonel Lack.

        • Pathfinder

          Michael McDermott : I agree !! Just one minor correction, please. This is not supposed to be a democracy. America, under the constitution, is supposed to be a REPUBLIC. There are very important differences between the two. Otherwise, great message. Keep up the good work.

          SSG
          US ARMY
          Retired

      • Mr Bond

        LTC LAKIN HAS MY RESPECT AND SUPPORT. He followed the proper procedure in asking questions and was unjustly punished. The Army has mistreated one ofr its own. SHAME!!

      • Andrea B

        Are you suggesting then, that Col Lakin should’ve reported for duty, then just refused to show HIS birth certificate??

        Would that have been allowable?

        Or what about the fact that both Col Lakin and Prez Oblahblah BOTH swore to uphold and defend the Constitution, and ONLY Col Lakin did so by trying to ascertain if the prez was even eligible to give orders??

        It seems to me that Oblahblah did that shit on purpose…send an INNOCENT SOLDIER to military prison because he asked to see his birth cert, swear up and down that the COLB is the ONLY document he received, then two weeks before the end of his 6 month sentence, he releases it.

        At best, our prez is thoughtless, selfish, and without compassion. At worst, he is what he is.

        Those of us that love our country, respect the office of the presidency, and hold our soldiers in the highest esteem, KNOW that Oblahblah is here to destroy our country from the inside out. Oblowhard is NOT worthy of respect, and is not deserving of the adoration he receives.

        • Pathfinder

          Andrea B : That is an interesting idea. Too bad that it is too late to try it.

      • Stan

        Wayne you are WRONG. THE members of the United States Military do not have to folllow “Unlawful Orders”. Obama is not a natural born Citizen and therefore a fraud; his orders are “Unlawful” and Lakin was correct to ask for confirmation by the unlawfull CIC before being sent into combat again.

        This is not an issue concerning one man; most of America wants a definative answer to Obama’s eligibility (not being presented with fraudulent certificates of live birth either). The US Military should press the issue with Obama as he is waging New wars in Lybia while engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan. THe lives of many American heroes is at stake being sent into harms’ way by an fraudulent cic.

      • eddie47d

        Wayne is right and Larkin made an assumption and lost. This has nothing to do with free speech but disobeying orders. He can complain about not liking Obama (or Bush if he was President) We all have done plenty of that. . He either supported the war effort in Afghanistan or he didn’t and the birth certificate shouldn’t have made a bit of difference. Now if he thought the mission was wrong (which he didn’t)and was protesting the legitimacy of the war itself I would be more inclined to believe his sincerity and respected him more. This issue has nothing to do with Obama sending troops to arrest you in your homes either but some are making political hay over that too.You must all sleep,eat and drink Obama as obsessed as you are and no different than Mr Larkin. You all throw hand grenades to see where they will land and that didn’t work out to well for Larkin. I’m glad his sentence wasn’t too severe and wish that some day he will get a pardon. (Not because he was right but because we are a good country).

      • RetMSgtUSMC

        Argue all you want. He was a member of the military and was obligated to follow his orders. He failed to do so. Guilty as charged. These lame excuses about the Presidents citizenship will never go away. Nothing will ever change the minds of the birthers. The certificate of live birth is what every citizen of Hawaii receives. Are you telling me everyone born in Hawaii is not a citizen? Hawaiian law says those records are sealed. So now you want the law to be broken for this crazy idea. Why don’t you birthers just admit that you cannot stand the fact that the President has a better tan than you. (His mother is white so is he)
        Lakin got what he deserved. I too served my country honorable and faithfully. This ex Col. has brought shame to the whole military by buying into this sham and then trying to use his service to cover his butt. I don’t agree with a lot of things that President Obama is doing but this whole birther issue is a crook of cow dung. Lakin is just another $h!tb!rd looking to justify is actions. I know full well he was told by superiors and friends to back off of this before it was too late. But he choose to continue. He is paying to price for not following some very good advise I know he receive. Too Bad not Sad for him. He screwed up now he has to pay for it.

        • Stan

          WHY do people who support Obama ALWAYS bring up Race? You cheapen your argument whenever you bring Race into the Picture. The whole idea of the eligibility of Obama is not about Race…. it is about the Constitutionality of Obama;s eligibility.

          His father was a British Subject, Obama had dual citizenship at best and that makes him inelligible for POTUS. Obama himself stated after he was elected to the Illinois senate that he was not born in Hawaii, that he was born in Kenya. The AP reported that the “Kenyan Born” Obama was headed for the Illinois Senate. Obama himself calls himself a “Citizen of the World” He has no Alligience to America.

          • Jovianus

            Stan…you don’t happen to have the citation for the case where a court said pres. obama was ineligible to hold the office do you? Case closed. Lakin got off lightly for the insult to the uniform and to this nation.

        • JeffH

          Your comments bring dishoner to the Corp, RetMSgtUSMC, if you ever were in the Corp let alone retired from the Corp.

          Lakin is guilty as charged, no problem with that part because it comes with the miitary territory, but his issue was valid, and he suffered because of the POTUS shortcommings, the failure to squash the question two years ago.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Lakin’s issue may be valid, however, he deserted his military buddies as well as the military. To me, when it comes right down to the nitty gritty, he is a deserter. If I were in the military I would not be able to desert regardless of Obama’s legalization as a US citizen. I would never desert. Is Lakin the only one to pull this stunt or are there others?

          • JeffH

            Claire, with all due respect, Col. Terry Lakin did not “desert” anything or anybody. Lt. Col. Terry Lakin “Refused All Military Orders Until Obama Proves He Is a Natural Born Citizen”. Not even in the same hemisphere as desertion. Lakin stood by his principles and paid a price for it, that’s all and you an bet that there were a lot of military personnel that quietly hoped he would win.

            The Obama campaign is to a large degree responsible for the birthplace controversy by at first claiming that Obama was born at Queens Hospital and, at another time, claiming that he was born at Kapioliani Hospital.

          • libertytrain

            I’m with you on this one – I don’t see him as a deserter. You don’t do nearly 20 years, you can see a comfortable retirement within easy view, get to his rank, and just throw it all away without a whole lot of thinking and support from somewhere for the decisions he made. I think he was the one that was used to make a stand. He’s been deployed in the past – I don’t think he had fears of Afghanistan and isn’t he a doctor – usually not on the frontlines -? There’s something more here than we will ever know.

          • http://deleted Claire

            No doubt there are a lot of military people that do not approve of Obama. Nonetheless, they are still serving their country and are not “refusing” to do so. And this tells me the troops that choose to serve and keep their oath are the ones that are honorable. They have certainly earned my respect. Especially with things the way they are in this crazy mixed-up world. Lakin got off easy, he only got 6 months, it could have been worse but the powers that be decided it was not in their best interest to give Lakin a longer sentence. There are other ways to “prove” a point. Apparently he felt this was “his” way and that is fine. To each their own. However, it would not have been “my” way. I would have kept my oath to the military whether I liked the POTUS or not. I would have kept my oath because I would feel that I was protecting America and all Americans, not the prez. And if Lakin “writes” a book, I will not purchase it.
            Regarding the birth certificate, I don’t know if it is real, I will probably never know. And even if it WAS real, no one would believe it anyway so what is the use? It is like beating a dead horse. I am sick of the birther issue, it is like a bunch of chickens running around with their heads cut off, no end in sight. Our votes in 2012 will make the difference. Hopefully, but I sure am not depending on it. Something tells me America will go from the frying pan into the fire.

          • libertytrain

            Claire – I agree with the idea that there were other ways to prove his point. I’m sorry he chose this way for himself. It cost him dearly.

          • Kate8

            Claire – This man WAS living up to his oath, more than the rest.

            Don’t you think the founders knew that, at some point, our enemies would attempt to usurp the presidency? That is why they made a soldier’s oath to the Constitution, in other words, to the PEOPLE of this Republic, not to the POTUS. Only a legitimate leader should be honored as CIC.

            Obama has continually snubbed the people of America. He’s refused to open his records so we can see who he is. The BC issue may be tiresome, but it is not resolved, so we can’t just let it go. He’s counting on us doing just that.

            Lakin is a TRUE patriot. He did what few of us has the guts to do: stand up for what’s right and refuse to honor the usurper in our WH.

            If we had many more like him, we get this nation back on track.

        • combatvet

          Your a retired MSGT USMC,

          You sir are a disgrace to the uniform, if in fact you are who you say you are. It’s vet like you that make me sick when I think of the real Americans, brothers in arms that gave it all up in Nam! This piece of trash you idolize is a total fraud, hates the military, the nation and our way of life. Get this through you dim brain, Barry Hussein Soetero Dunham etc, etc is a fraud, a criminal, a serial apologizer and bower in chief. The single greatest laughing stock in American history. I find it interesting that the world knows he is a fraud, a puppet, a racist with no cultural connection to America whatsoever!

          The term the enemy within clearly defines who you are. I have many vets I hang out with and many are retired USMC. Let me put it this way, you would disgust them!

          Viet Nam Vet
          11E10
          HD Oct. ’71

          • JeffH

            combatvet, Hear Hear! Very well said.

            You might be interested in the Oath Keepers.

            Are you familiar with The Oath Keepers? They are a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution

            Our motto is “Not on our watch!”
            http://oathkeepers.org/oath/
            http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

          • JeffH

            combatvet, Hear Hear! Very well said.

            You might be interested in the Oath Keepers.

            Are you familiar with The Oath Keepers? They are a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution

            Our motto is “Not on our watch!”
            http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

          • Kate8

            combatvet – Very well said, and I’m with you all the way.

            If only our whole military would stand up for our nation. Sadly, the young ones have no idea what America was ever about. History has been rewritten, and when our history is lost to our youth, it’s as if we never were.

            Those coming out of our schools of indoctrination have been convinced that America is not worth saving. Our enemies have succeeded in putting us to sleep and capturing the minds of our children. We have some perfect examples right here on this site.

        • Old Timer

          Agree Sgt Major. Pardon the presumption, but there ways he could have maintained his honor (resignation etc). The present occupant of the WH has committed enough violations to possibly warrant articles of impeachment or at least exercise our voting him out in 2012.

          Calling him what he truly is worked in boot camp but I fear not so in the WH. We can support our governmental representatives and those few who have enough spine to stand for what is right.

          Semper Fi, Sir, USMC 52 Korea, MD, JD, FACS

        • Gene Farley

          I appreciate and honor your service, sir, in fighting for our Freedom.
          However, reading your opinions and comments, I feel that today you are not in your right mind.

          • Gene Farley

            My apologies, my comment was directed to RetMSgtUSMC

      • azwayne

        Definitely not as smart as you attempt to sound. Lakin was 100% correct in his questioning, he went thru all his superiors as is correct. When they offered no solution Col Lakin did what was then proper. It is so sad the rest of the country didn’t have the brains or ambition to help him uncover the fraud sitting in our white house. Col lakin’s attorneys were worse which may not be an accident. Attorneys have become the lowest class of professions in the world, yes they sunk lower than the “oldest”. It’s just too difficult where to compare them with politicians. as a politicians is usually just a failed attorney. t’s sad our judges don’t know or care how to fulfill justice as they can direct proper courts.

      • Edward Chandler

        I don’t know how anyone can separate their hatred of Husein Obama

      • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/liberty/jailed-for-questioning-barack-obama/?replytocom=443637#respond Lee

        Hey Wayne,
        It’s not the hared for Obama as you say, and the “Birthers” are the American tax paying citizens. It should not have taken someone like Donald Trump to ask the question of “where is your birth certificate?” to show your certificate. Only when thinking of his re-election did the president come up with one. We have people crossing our borders illegally coming up with ID proof faster then that. It should never have been a question to start with, the Birth Certificates should have been there and on file in the beginning. I’ve been asked for ID and a birth certificate many times, and have not had a problem showing them.
        I don’t vote for a Democrat or a Republican, I vote for a person that I can find out information about, being a good speaker doesn’t make you the best person for the job. Being a man, woman, black or white,does not make you best. The “best for the job”, should be the only factor. Telling the people what they want to hear does not make them right for the job. They are not applying for a job as a used car salesman, but for a job as President of the United States, they are supposed to be representing the American people, not part of them, but all of them. There are too many elected representatives today, that are not doing their jobs of listening to the people that voted them into office.
        Lt. Col. Terry Lakin should have never had a reason to ask for that information, it should have been there long before his deployment. Lt. Col. Lakin served his country honorably for more than 17 years. I can’t see giving up 17 years of his life, but that’s the Military. I’m a veteran too.

      • halftruthlies

        I served, and let me tell you that the military does make it clear to question orders that are unlawful, and not in line with our constitution. If your commander and chief orders your unit to go wipe out a whole village of women and children that exhibited no threat, you would hope that your commanding officer makes the decision not to do it, and questions the commander and chief, and if he doesn’t then it is your duty to do so.
        The UCMJ did not do the job correctly by listening to the facts. The fact still remains that there is not enough proof with all the conspiracies that Oh bummer is eligible to be Commander and Chief.
        The ball has been dropped in many courts, not just Oh bummers, but congress also failed to do their job. With all the issues on the table the American people require all the details and are supposed to get all the details according to the constitution.
        When there is room for questioning: like there are with Oh bummer; then all Americans especially ones whom have taken an oath to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States need to stand up and ask those questions and expect to get them answered truthfully. All other organizations that have taken this oath are guilty of treason for not standing up for the constitution. Instead of taking the job for what it stands for many take it just for the pay day…..
        “Or: to destroy a county such as oh bummer’.
        The facts are there, look at the details, do your own research, it will take time, but it’s all there, voting records, actions taken associations, ect…. Ect…..
        Don’t take someone else’s opinion on the matter, don’t be lazy just do the research yourself that way you can discern for yourself, not make assumptions, based on someone else’s work that just might not be complete

        When there is a question of loyalty, and a possible imposter as commander and chief, then there is a larger risk to the American people that can play out and we cannot allow that to happen. There is just enough power in government to cause grave danger to the people of America, and slowly take our rights away that makes it worth living in America, and a great country.

      • Pat

        Wayne, Wayne, Wayne….sorry to see you frontal lobal anal brain transplant wasn’t a success…….
        As President of the United States, Obama also had an obligation to supply a legal birth certificate that had been requested by millions of people…Instead, Obama himself, committed and act of insubordination by refusing to comply to the request of the American people…only difference was…Obama had the millions to keep hi BS “HIDDEN”, until a phony could be reproduced.
        I find Obama more in contempt than Larkin anyday…..and shame on the military for forcing Larkin to leave the military and lose everything he worked so hard for, protecting and serving our country.
        Guess Allan West isn’t the only military hero that our govt and this admin. screwed over.

      • Tierra Teneil/Johnnie Blando

        everybody take a good look at Wayne,….stupid to the bone. How do people like Wayne get to be so ignorant about everything. You have to wonder what hole he has been in his whole life!!

      • April

        Wayne

        Lt. Col. Terry Lakin was not disrespecting the Office of the Presidency. This brave man was Honoring that Office by upholding the Constitution to which he swore an Oath to do. If an order is given that contradicts his Oath to the Constitution of the United States of America, then he has an obligation, a duty, and a right to question that order and defend it. It is Obama and those who falsified numerous documents to buy-not vote him in Office who have betrayed our Constitution and We the People. You Wayne are on the side of the betrayor, therefore, part of that problem.

      • Dr. smith

        yes, obey under any circumstances, that’s what those butchers in the third reich claimed when Hitler’s germany was overcome. As far as the office of the presidency, you have to be a legal candidate to hold the office, and herein lies the deceit with the impostor forced upon us by corrupt media and shadow communists pulling the strings.

        so go ahead dahWayne, salute, obey and be prepared to bend over and grab your ankles like you you normally do. it will all come to head soon and your be on the side of the leftists obeying orders, as for I, I’ll be setting my sights on you!

      • ReneeTheVeteran

        “There was no breach of any rules during his trial, and he was properly convicted.” How do you know? Were you there? Are you a lawyer?

        “If Bush had been president, and someone had questioned his legitimacy because of the 2000 election fracas, that person would still be serving in Levenworth.”

        A complete biased lie. They are right, you are the fool.

      • Larry Owens

        obuma is your president not mine, I did not vote for the Coward.
        I don’t care how much you spout off about the military being different, Col.Lakin took a Stand for something he believed in.

        And all you can say is obuma is a Great pres. what has he done Good for our country? NOTHING.

      • HUGO MARTINEZ

        You are absolutely right. I wonder if any of these who disagree have ever been in the military?

      • Yovnne

        Looks to me like Odummer proved he is illegal by publishing is fake long form birth certificate. His so called birth father a Kenyan is all the proof anyone needs to prove Odummer is not eligible to be a president and is illegally sitting in the WH. So looks to me like Mr. Lakin was correct in not obeying orders from an illegal usurper sitting in the WH and should be totally have his slate wiped clean and Obummer should have to pay for Mr. Lakins’ time spent in the jail. Plus Odummer needs to pay the taxpayers money he has spent on hidding all his paperwork back to the peoples fund.
        As far as respecting the office of the president, you would have to have someone in the office to respect, to be able to respect the office. So you are saying if there is a mad man is in the office of the president which there is, would have someone to kill you that would be ok because its the office of the president and not the mad man? That doesn’t make since to me at all.
        You know respect has to be earned, and sorry to tell you Wayne, the usuper in the WH does not have that, because he surely hasnt earned it. Just like yesterday, he is trying his best to turn on our closest alli, treats them like dirt (lightly speaking) he is such an arrogant idiot. Lies, deceit, never wins. The Bible says what ever is hidden will be made known, and secrets is being made known about this person sitting in the WH pretending to be something and someone, he isn’t.
        The Bible also says call no man a fool and its very hard to tame the tongue and you were wrong calling someone a fool. This is why.
        Matt. 5:22
        Jesus speaking says But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgement: and whosoever shall say to this brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

      • Melbug W

        When Barack Obama loses next election, but refuses to leave office and tells the military to shoot people in the street that disagree… that will be OK too? Probably, as long as they are identified as Republicans, Tea Partiers, or Christians. Barack Obama blasphemes the Constitution, and no one who respects it, should respect him. The quicker he and his progressive cronies are gone, the better.

      • herman richardson

        obey even to the point of genocide on your own?? It will happen, the weak and old are in the way of this. Keep celebrating better wake up

      • Hank, MO

        Wayne– as you noted, those in the military take an oath to obey orders from those “properly” placed above them in the chain of command. But that was the question– was Obama “properly” in the position of commander-in-chief? If not, orders issued by him were illegitimate and should not have been followed by Col. Lakin or any other soldier. Since Obama, at that point, refused to provide satisfactory proof of his eligibility to that office, Col. Lakin’s refusal to obey was entirely reasonable. The court’s refusal to address that issue resulted in a good officer’s imprisonment and the besmirching of his name and reputation. His personal and financial sacrifices are a dishonor to the American military– another case of the government turning on faithful patriots just as they turned on the CIA agents who helped develop the information that led to the killing of Osama bin Laden. Only a thug would allow a good man to go to prison rather than show a piece of paper which all of us have to provide occasionally and which he facetiously provided later when it fit his political agenda. Obama deserves our utter contempt for this incident, alone, even if we would excuse the MANY other reasons for which he has earned our complete disrespect. It is he who should be in prison.

        • Angry in texas

          Hank,Thank you for your thorough insites and intellect.

      • Ken

        As I understand it, the oath is to obey the Constitution, and obey orders only if within the framework of the Constitution. It is not the man with the higher stripes, or the one wearing the badge or pounding the gavel, sir, it is the Constitution that is the law of the land for which the military is to serve.

      • zach

        Wayne, you are so right. For those of us who have served, we know the Col. was wrong. Imagine 13000 soldiers doing and saying what they want in the heat of battle. Some of this is pure racism and the rest is simple ignorance. Either way the office of the President of the United States will not be disrespected.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          The office is not disrespected,the one who holds this office should be.

        • Angry in texas

          Zach, How in the world did you get into the military? I thought only intelligent people were able to enlist! I suppose even the military have lowered their standards. I would show the utmost respect for any AMERICAN BORN citizen in the White House but Never a illagal with 23 different ss#`s and one name for college and another for the presidency and another for his passport.

      • http://ptd.net ozzyboy

        It is he who has refused to defend our people, southern border, disrespected our constitution by ignoring the voter intimidation in Philly. Taken God out of our country to be replaced with anything but God. It is the current administration that should be held accountable for his misdeeds. This was the change I was afraid of. Everything done is contrary to our United States. Remember Reagan? Trust but verify. There is no verification or even vetting of this administration. Shame on the American people who cluelessly voted this guy in.

      • smilee

        Wayne says:
        May 20, 2011 at 7:27 am

        Wayne thanks for telling the truth about this. Seldom do you see the truth expressed on this site and rarely in any of Wood’s spins

        • Angry in texas

          Smilee, you poor thing when you were born something happened and you were not given a brain.

      • Judy

        Wayne, doesn’t a person who joins the military take an Oath to uphold and defend the Constitution? Isn’t it against the Constitution to be President of the USA if not born here? Did we ever have any factual evidence that Obama was born here, until recently…. ? Why on earth would our duly elected president with-hold the paper-work (birth-certificate) that is required by all, for just about everything? Makes one wonder. And by not disclosing the birth-certificate for over two years, makes one wonder why. Now, if he is not a legal born citizen of this USA, would that not fall under the subverting of the constitution, for which all law enforcement and military clearly take the Oath to defend? Is not the Constitution larger than any man, even the office of President? Will questioning this have the jack booted thugs coming to my door?? Amen Tinman!

      • Patricia

        I think the legitimate question was, “Is this a legitimate order?” If the order had been given by someone impersonating an officer, he would have had legitimate cause for questioning it. To my knowledge, he never refused to obey any rightful order, but like possibly millions of other Americans, questioned the right of Obama as the ultimate order-giver. If the Uniform Code of Military Justice is concerned only with the “facts’ of the case, then establishing Obama’s authority as fact would be germain to the case.

      • Angry in texas

        Wayne, I will Pray for you. You are so blind you could not see the truth of this or any situation if it were on the tip of your nose.
        I have one question for you and all those like you, What are you going to do when oblah blah`s puppet master comes after you and every american and completes his destruction of our once beautiful country?

      • Mary

        Militars and non militars. We the people are not Bill Clinton.
        These contry is getting worse by the minute.

      • David C. Berry

        hree with you, Wayne, regarding the UMCJ being different from civilian law, there is one essential point that has been missed by everyone. It appears that Col. Larkin was not questioning an order, but questioning its legality. If, as many suspect, Obama is not a natural born citizen of the United States, then any order he gives the military, and Bill he signs, any veto he signs are all illegal. Can you imagine the cost of putting right all that Obama has done if he’s not legally President. And I agree with Judy, Obama seems hell bent on driving America to Civil War – all it takes for him to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

        So, although as an ex-soldier I agree that lawful orders MUST be obeyed, we military also have the responsibility to question those orders if we BELIEVE they are illegal. All Col. Larkin sought was confirmation that his orders were issued legally. He stands to receive much approbation, not to mention money, when Obama is finally caught.

      • Mike Miracle

        Wayne,
        What you fail to mention is that it is the responsibility of each enlisted person NOT to obey and illegal order. PERIOD.

        Based on O’s lack of credentials, he was issuing illegal orders.

        If you think otherwise, you might want to review the war criminals of history and their excuses “I was just following orders” then they hang.

        BTW GWB is still wanted for war crimes in Switzerland.

        Mike.

      • John Salter

        What Wayne and some others failed to recognize is that the Constitution does not mention (that I can find) any exception to the requirements listed therein, such as Freedom of Speech. Therefore, the Army Court Martial was in total error by not allowing Lakin to defend himself by presenting his reasons for disobeying. Also, therefore, the court Martial itself failed to uphold and defend the Constitution by denying certain rights to the citizen who was also a Soldier, and therefore he (the Soldier) was un-Constitutionally denied his rights guaranteed thereunder. If I am wrong, burn me in Hell, Sir! Right is Right, and Wrong is Wrong, any way you slice it. Don’t forget it! –js

      • trish martin

        I believe that if you look, there is a little clause in the UCMJ that says something along this line – that if a military member BELIEVES that an order was not RIGHTFULLY given, that military member is not obligated to obey it. The statement that Lakin took an oath to obey those PROPERLY placed above him brings another issue. If a military member has reasonable doubts as to the authority of the person giving an order, again the UCMJ allows the military member to make the decision whether to obey or not. If Obama is who he says he is, he should have had NO PROBLEM proving it when questioned. Lt. Col. Lakin had doubts as to the PROPER AUTHORITY of the order given him, an order which required him (Col. Lakin)to AGAIN produce his birth certificate, while the so-called Commander in Chief REFUSED TO DO SO!

      • Tom

        So depite the Neurinburg trials, the military can silence dissent at will. The axis people on the mat were told “Befeel is befeel” wasn’t an excuse to follow a wrong disision made by supperiors, and use your concience. The general feeling is that our valiant soldiers fight to give us, or keep our freedom so why would they themselfs be denied that freedom of speech. After all has the army Mayor who shouted “Allah Akbar” whilst mowing down his fellow soldiers been tried yet? Me thinks not. Justice delaid is justice denied. what sort of an example this sets to potencial Army recrutes? Double standards?

      • Russ

        Almost exactly what the German high command said when asked why they murdered 6 million Jews, we were only following orders. The UCMJ say’s lawful orders are to be followed. Ya then ya have the unlawful orders, its called using your head so you can keep it later on when the sh*t hists the fan. If the cheese burger in the W/H is found to be a an illegal dink. Then all his orders will have been illegal, then the sh*t hists the fan, then who will be left standing?
        Semper Fi

    • http://burkecomputers.blogspot.com/ DanB

      Does the “Anointed One” have a problem with freedom of speech? Yes. Did the military act correctly in their handling of this man? Yes.

      The part I have problem with is that the “birther” issue is/was being used politically and someone actually paid an unfortunate price because politicians were playing their games. I am getting tired of politicians and their games. What ever happened to the statesmen? Those statesmen who ended up in politics have probably been corrupted by the system, while they rest treasured their values to much and had the brains to realize that entering politics meant sacrificing their values….

      • Angry in texas

        Dan B let me tell your blinde behind something that apparently you are too stupid to realize. If any soldier knowingly follows any order given by a noncitizen of this country IT IS TREASON!!!!!!!!!!!

    • NotBlind

      SC – We can expect all of this because no one is doing anything to stop it.

      Obama and his regime have been and will continue to run roughshod over this country – until we are no more. Evidently, there is absolutely no one with the courage to put a stop to it.

      It would appear that the world has gone off the cliff.

      • Pathfinder

        NotBlind : Obviously, Col Lakin attempted to do something about it. We have all seen what happened next. So, here we all are writing on the internet. I can hardly wait until November of 2012; since this seems to be our next chance to get rid of BHO.

    • Edward Chandler

      hE IS AN ANNOITED S.O.B. AND THE MOST DANGEROUS PERSON IN THE u.s.a.

    • http://Verizon Bud G.

      S.C.: I would rather this president be impeached or better yet his presidency annulled because the Colonel is right and should be reinstated with back pay. In this way, Obama would not receive any retirement or pay for his tenure as president.

      I have seen the video where he states, and it is him, he was born in Kenya, not Hawaii, therefore the Hawaiian certificate of live birth and the long form are in fact fakes.

      • Geri

        Bud, I have seen the same video and am amazed that none of our Republican politicians have brought this to the attention of the American people. He is no more an American than Hitler. His treatment of this brave soldier is reprehensible and disgusting.

        Geri

    • EddieW

      And…he was right!!! Obozo, our Liar in Chief’s KENYA Birth certificate is now shown on line!!!!

    • Edward Chandler

      Husein { you know that thing that lives in our white house} wouldn’t make a pimple on the good Colonel’s ass

    • Andee

      There is a bill in the Senate, I read, believe it to be S 679 that does indeed indicate that if you disagree with his highness you are FEMA camp bound….it appears it is going to pass the Senate and on to the House…gives the amoeba total control of all in the USA..

    • Angry in texas

      Way to go colonal I am Proud of youy!!!!!!! As for every wanna be american A “CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH” IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!!! Anyone weather you were born here or overseas can get a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH!!!!!! From Hawaii

    • http://usintel.net Bill from Laos

      NO! No resignation! This Imposter in Chief must be challenged,
      arrested and tried for his crimes! Patriots are gathering to do just
      that. Join us, and do right!

      http://www.ccaabo.com

      American Citizens Class Action Against Barack Obama

  • Dennis M. Ellis

    Don’t begin reading this one until you’ve got 5 to 10 minutes to REALLY read it and to ponder what’s happening.

    THIS ONE WILL SHOCK AND FRIGHTEN YOU! IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS. PLEASE READ THIS AND FORWARD IT ON!!

    FROM STEVE KROFT (60 Minutes ONE EVIL HUMAN

    This is very interesting material. Glen Beck has been developing material to show all the ties that Soros has through the nation and world along with his goals. This article is written by Steve Kroft

    from 60 Minutes. It begins to piece together the rise of Obama and his behavior in leading the nation along with many members of Congress (in particular the Democrats, such as the election of Pelosi as the minority leader in Congress).

    Interesting read on George Soros:

    If you have wondered where Obama came from and just how he quickly moved from obscurity to President, or why the media is “selective” in what we are told, here is the man who most probably put him there and is responsible. He (SOROS) controls President Obama’s every move. Think this is absurd? Invest a few minutes and read this. You won’t regret it.

    Who is Obama? Obama is a puppet and here is the explanation of the man or demon that pulls his strings. It’s not by chance that Obama can manipulate the world. I don’t think he knows how to tie his shoe laces. After reading this and Obama’s reluctance to accept help on the oil spill you wonder if the spill is part of the plan to destroy the US?

    “In history, nothing happens by accident. If it happened, you can bet someone planned it.”/ Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    Who Is George Soros? He brought the market down in 2 days. Here is what CBS’ Mr. Steve Kroft’s research has turned up. It’s a bit of a read, and it took 4 months to put it together. “The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.

    “George Soros”
    George Soros is an evil man. He’s anti-God, anti-Christian, anti-family, anti-American, and anti-good.” He killed and robbed his own Jewish people. What we have in Soros, is a multi-billionaire atheist, with skewed moral values, and a sociopath’s lack of conscience. He considers himself to be an elitist World class philosopher, despises the American way, and just loves to do social engineering and change cultures.

    György Schwartz, better known to the world as George Soros, was born August 12, 1930 in Hungary. Soros’ father, Tivadar, was a fervent practitioner of the Esperanto language invented in 1887, and designed to be the first global language, free of any national identity. The Schwartz’s, who were non-practicing Jews, changed the family name to Soros, in order to facilitate assimilation into the Gentile population, as the Nazis spread into Hungary during the 1930s.

    When Hitler’s henchman Adolf Eichmann arrived in Hungary, to oversee the murder of that country’s Jews, George Soros ended up with a man whose job was confiscating property from the Jewish population. Soros went with him on his rounds.

    Soros has repeatedly called 1944 “the best year of his life.” 70% of Mr. Soros’s fellow Jews in Hungary, nearly a half-million human beings, were annihilated in that year, yet he gives no sign that this put any damper on his elation, either at the time or indeed in retrospect” During an interview with “Sixty Minute’s” Steve Kroft, Soros was asked about his “best year.”

    KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

    SOROS: Yes. Yes.

    KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from your fellow Jews, friends and neighbors.

    SOROS: Yes. That’s right. Yes.

    KROFT: I mean, that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many, years. Was it difficult?

    SOROS: No, not at all. Not at all, I rather enjoyed it.

    KROFT: No feelings of guilt?

    SOROS: No, only feelings of absolute power.

    In his article, Muravchik describes how Soros has admitted to having carried some rather “potent messianic fantasies with me from childhood, which I felt I had to control, otherwise they might get me in trouble.” Be that as it may. After WWII, Soros attended the London School of Economics, where he fell under the thrall of fellow atheist and Hungarian, Karl Popper, one of his professors. Popper was a mentor to Soros until Popper’s death in 1994.

    Two of Popper’s most influential teachings concerned “the open society,” and Fallibilism. Fallibilism is the philosophical doctrine that all claims of knowledge could, in principle, be mistaken.(Then again, I could be wrong about that.)The “open society” basically refers to a “test and evaluate” approach to social engineering. Regarding “open society” Roy Childs writes, “Since the Second World War, most of the Western democracies have followed Popper’s advice
    about piecemeal social engineering and democratic social reform, and it has gotten them into a grand mess.”

    In 1956 Soros moved to New York City, where he worked on Wall Street, and started amassing his fortune. He specialized in hedge funds and currency speculation. Soros is absolutely ruthless, amoral, and clever in his business dealings, and quickly made his fortune. By the 1980s he was well on his way to becoming the global powerhouse that he is today.

    In an article Kyle-Anne Shiver wrote for ” The American Thinker ” she says, “Soros made his first billion in 1992 by shorting the British pound with leveraged billions in financial bets, and became known as the man who broke the Bank of England. He broke it on the backs of hard-working British citizens who immediately saw their homes severely devalued and their life savings cut drastically, almost overnight.”

    In 1994 Soros crowed in ” The New Republic ,” that “the former Soviet Empire is now called the Soros Empire.” The Russia-gate scandal in 1999, which almost collapsed the Russian economy, was labeled by Rep. Jim Leach, then head of the House Banking Committee, to be “one of the greatest social robberies in human history.

    “The “Soros Empire” indeed. In 1997 Soros almost destroyed the economies of Thailand and Malaysia. At the time, Malaysia’s Prime Minister, Mahathir Mohammad, called Soros “a villain, and a moron.” Thai activist Weng Tojirakarn said, “We regard George Soros as a kind of Dracula.

    He sucks the blood from the people.”

    The website Greek National Pride reports, “Soros was part of the full court press that dismantled Yugoslavia and caused trouble in Georgia, Ukraine and Myanmar [Burma]. Calling himself a philanthropist, Soros’ role is to tighten the ideological stranglehold of globalization and the New World Order while promoting his own financial gain. He is without conscience; a capitalist who functions with absolute amorality.”

    France has upheld an earlier conviction against Soros, for felony insider trading. Soros was fined 2.9 million dollars. Recently, his native Hungary fined Soros 2.2 million dollars for “illegal market manipulation.” Elizabeth Crum writes that the Hungarian economy has been in a state of transition as the country seeks to become more financially stable and westernized.

    Soros deliberately driving down the share price of its largest bank put Hungary’s economy into a wicked tailspin, one from which it is still trying to recover.

    My point here is that Soros is a planetary parasite. His grasp, greed, and gluttony have a global reach. But what about America? Soros told Australia’s national newspaper ” The Australian.”
    ” America, as the centre of the globalised financial markets, was sucking up the savings of the world. This is now over. The game is out,” he said, adding that the time has come for “a very serious adjustment” in American’s consumption habits. He implied that he was the one with the power to bring this about.”

    Soros: “World financial crisis was “stimulating” and “in a way, the culmination of my life’s work.”

    Obama has recently promised 10 billion of our tax dollars to Brazil, in order to give them a leg-up in expanding their offshore oil fields. Obama’s largesse towards Brazil came shortly after his political financial backer, George Soros, invested heavily in Brazilian oil (Pet rob ras).

    Tait Trussel writes, “The Pet rob ras loan may be a windfall for Soros and Brazil, but it is a bad deal for the U. S. The American Petroleum Institute estimates that oil exploration in the U S
    could create 160,000 new, well-paying jobs, as well as $1.7 trillion in revenues to federal, state, and local governments, all while fostering greater energy security and independence.”

    A blog you might want to keep an eye on is SorosWatch.com. Their mission: “This blog is dedicated to all who have suffered due to the ruthless financial pursuits of George Soros. Your stories are many and varied, but the theme is the same: the destructive power of greed without conscience. We pledge to tirelessly watch Soros wherever he goes and to print the truth in the hope that he will one day be made to stop preying upon the world’s poor, that justice will be served.”

    Back to America. Soros has been actively working to destroy America from the inside out for some years now. People have been warning us. Two years ago, news sources reported that “Soros [is] an extremist who wants open borders, a one-world foreign policy, legalized drugs,
    euthanasia, and on and on. This is off-the-chart dangerous.” In 1997 Rachel Ehrenfeld wrote, “Soros uses his philanthropy to change or more accurately deconstruct the moral values and attitudes of the Western world, and particularly of the American people. His “open society” is not about freedom; it is about license. His vision rejects the notion of ordered liberty, in favor of a PROGRESSIVE ideology of rights and entitlements.”

    Perhaps the most important of these “whistle blowers” are David Horowitz and Richard Poe. Their book “The Shadow Party” outlines in detail how Soros hijacked the Democratic Party, and now owns it lock, stock, and barrel. Soros has been packing the Democratic Party with
    radicals, and ousting moderate Democrats for years. The Shadow Party became the Shadow Government, which recently became the Obama Administration.

    Discover The Networks. org (another good source) writes, “By his [Soros'] own admission, he helped engineer coups in Slovakia, Croatia, Georgia, and Yugoslavia. When Soros targets a country for “regime change,” he begins by creating a shadow government, a fully formed government-in-exile, ready to assume power when the opportunity arises. The Shadow Party he has built in America greatly resembles those he has created in other countries prior to instigating a coup.”

    November 2008 edition of the German magazine ” Der Spiegel ,” in which Soros gives his opinion on what the next POTUS (President of the U. S. )should do after taking office. “I think we need a large stimulus package.” Soros thought that around 600 billion would be about right.

    Soros also said that “I think Obama presents us a great opportunity to finally deal with global warming and energy dependence. The U. S. needs a cap and trade system with auctioning of licenses for emissions rights.”

    Although Soros doesn’t (yet)own the Republican Party, like he does the Democrats, make no mistake, his tentacles are spread throughout the Republican Party as well. Soros is a partner in the Carlyle Group where he has invested more than 100 million dollars. According to an article by “The Baltimore Chronicle’s” Alice Cherbonnier, the Carlye Group is run by “a veritable who’s who of former Republican leaders,” from CIA man Frank Carlucci, to CIA head and ex-President George Bush, Sr.

    In late 2006, Soros bought about 2 million shares of Halliburton, Dick Cheney’s old stomping grounds. When the Democrats and Republicans held their conventions in 2000, Soros held Shadow Party conventions in the same cities, at the same time. In 2008, Soros donated $5,000,000,000 (that’s Five Billion) to the Democratic National Committee, DNC, to insure Obama’s win and wins for many other Alinsky trained Radical Rules Anti-American Socialist.

    George has been contributing a $ billion plus to the DNC since Clinton came on the scene.

    Soros has dirtied both sides of the aisle, trust me. And if that weren’t bad enough, he has long held connections with the CIA. And I mustn’t forget to mention Soros’ involvement with the MSM
    (Main Stream Media), the entertainment industry (e. g. he owns 2.6 million shares of Time Warner), and the various political advertising organizations he funnels millions to. In short, George Soros controls or influences most of the MSM. Little wonder they ignore the TEA PARTY, Soro’s NEMESIS.

    As Matthew Vadum writes, “The liberal billionaire-turned-philanthropist has been buying up media properties for years in order to drive home his message to the American public that they are too materialistic, too wasteful, too selfish, and too stupid to decide for themselves how to run their own lives.”

    Richard Poe writes, “Soros’ private philanthropy, totaling nearly $5 billion, continues undermining America’s traditional Western values. His giving has provided funding of abortion rights, atheism, drug legalization, sex education, euthanasia, feminism, gun control, globalization, mass immigration, gay marriage and other radical experiments in social engineering.”

    Some of the many NGOs (Non-Government Organizations) that Soros funds with his billions are:

    MoveOn. org, the Apollo Alliance, Media Matters for America, the Tides Foundation, the ACLU, ACORN, PDIA (Project on Death In America ), La Raza, and many more. For a more complete list, with brief descriptions of the NGOs, go to DiscoverTheNetworks. org.

    Poe continues, “Through his global web of Open Society Institutes and Open Society Foundations, Soros has spent 25 years recruiting, training, indoctrinating and installing a network of loyal operatives in 50 countries, placing them in positions of influence and power in media, government, finance and academia.”

    Without Soros’ money, would the Saul Alinsky’s Chicago machine still be rolling? Would SEIU, ACORN, and La Raza still be pursuing their nefarious activities? Would Big Money and lobbyists still be corrupting government? Would our college campuses still be retirement homes for 1960s radicals?

    America stands at the brink of an abyss, and that fact is directly attributable to Soros. Soros has vigorously, cleverly, and insidiously planned the ruination of America and his puppet, Barack
    Obama is leading the way.

    The words of Patrick Henry are apropos: “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!”

    ————–

    Above information researched by CBS Steve Kroft

    • Jovianus

      The above was shown yesterday to have been twisted and remade. In fact, I pasted the unedited portion of the Kroft interview and an entire section has been reworded. Not taken out of context which is the usual method of false information…rewritten. Dennis Ellis is posting a huge twisted made up fiction. Believe it and you swallow the koolaid and do yourself a huge disservice.

      • DaveH

        Jovianus or Jeremy or HFlashman, or whoever you are — you know you have no credibility on this board. So please post some references to back up your accusation.

        • Jovianus

          Did that yesterday Dave when this buffoon posted this pack of fables above. Pasted the unedited correct version of Kroft’s interview which showed the blatant rewriting as well as provided the link that shows the article above in its entirety to be a lyin’ fable.

          Have a nice day whoever you are…

          • azwayne

            Anus, can’t you find real job? You know or are not willing to ever use facts, you think anyone will accept the lies you spew? Everyone with a brain knows what SOROS is ,knows he put the usurper in the white house for one reason, destruction of America, with little effort can find SOROS is carrying out Bilderberg Group desire of NEW WORLD ORDER, ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT> total control by the wealthy. simple as that.
            You want to confuse and try to come up with something else. SOROS is using Move on, is that where you hide? and all other media, propaganda machines he owns. If we had half an ounce of gumption in congress these would all be jailed and disallowed because of sedition, treason and it’s time to really declare socialism and communism are not going to be allowed in America.

          • DaveH

            No, Jovianus, I’m not talking about cut and paste (which would mean nothing) since you lack credibility. I’m talking about linking to references so we can see your sources.

          • Jovianus

            Dave.. I wrote ‘provided the link’ … see? Or wait…for you it would be “See Spot, See spot run”

            Have a nice day whoever you choose to be today …

          • JeffH

            Jovi-commie, just take a hike…you’ve been “outed” and as was said, you got no credibility anyway! By the way, Soros is all of the above and far worse. Research it because it’s all out there…hundreds of links.

          • DaveH

            You did? So what? Provide it again. Are you link-challenged?
            You don’t seem to get the fact that you have no credibility on this board. Only a fool would take your word for anything. Or a Liberal (but then that is being redundant, isn’t it?).

          • Thamera

            So this is a “pack of fables” eh most ignorant one Jovi? I have watched the words come out of Soro’s own mouth in interview after interview…so Soros himself is lying? You and company are such a joke…useful idiots. So sad.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            jovi,
            Please prove to me whereyou posted the interview IN IT’S ENTIRITY?!?!? You cut it off less than half way through!! DITZ!!!

          • Jovianus

            Didn’t say i posted the entire interview. The artilce in question is a well known lie being passed around. It’s been denied by Kroft him as the unedited portion of the real interview is available (as i posted it word for word).

            What is hilariousa about some of you is that lie after lie can be disproven and shown to be false with less time than it takes to read this one post of mine. Yet, you insist it’s true because you want it to be true. And all you are doing is showing the world how wacked and one step from full fledged nutcases you are.

            It’s hilarious.

        • Carlucci

          DaveH, azwayne, etc., Is it me, or do Jovi’s postings sound like someone else is writing them today?

          O.k. Jovi – give it up – who are you today?

          • combatvet

            It sure seems to me that his royal ANUS is one of Barry’s boyfriends, anus fits there, sent here as a serial disinformation agent to promulgate unsubstantiated refutations to fact based postings by patriots who know beyond a shadow of doubt, that Anus’s boyfriend is a criminal fraud. That both parties, our government and our judiciary have bought into the most egregious criminal act, a coup if you will, of the greatest nation the world has ever seen, to bring us into the third world. They are nothing but a nest of termites destroying the very founding Constitution of America and our economic and societal survivability.

            We all know how termites are neutralized? Take a hint ANUS your not welcome here, in fact your intake of oxygen is an insult to the human race. Pack up your things and go back to Barry the impostor in chief!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            The postings appear to be a group effort.

      • Justice4All

        For sure the military is completely different from our civilian courts, but does that make it right? Definitely the need for strong controls by our leaders is necessary, but, when we have elected someone that spews poison on our citizens, the Constitution, as well as our friendly countries (what we have left) around the world, shouldn’t we at least ask who that person is?
        I am thinking that this guy “O” was either playing a game for 2 years with this GREAT COUNTRY or he needed that amount of time to manufacture his now, suspicious birth certificate. Please at least admit that this POTUS has acted in a strange way….kinda zombie like.
        For whatever reason he is ours for a little longer. We must pray that he does very little additional harm to this nation and the world while we gather our forces to find the best in 2012.

        GOD Bless The U.S.A.

        • Andee

          Read and research Cain! Paul/Cain….or Cain/Paul and this will do away with the racist bullshit that will go on and on in 12; these two have a lot of wisdom, Paul has the experience, has stood against his own party, he has stood by and been ridiculed even by his own party for wanting to Audit the Feds……………this election is going to be most nasty and brutal…we will have a lot of voter fraud being tried and the RNC or whomever needs to prepare for this…back to paper votes would be one thing but that can be manipulated too…………ho hum…the evil of the Progressives, Libbers and the snake in the W. House.

          A female cannot serve, it is in the Constitution…would take an amendment for that to be legal….you will find it in Article II; if an Amendment were made it would open the door for the elimination of the Second Amendment.

    • Wolfgang

      Friday, May 20, 2011

      Imagine….a fellow like that being looked upon as sort of an idol by some here in America, having the experiences of living a long life, in which I lived under the Harkenkreuz as a youth, it always fascinates me when watching the so called world events turn. And in this instance it almost sounds like the needle is stuck, on the record as we used to say, make no doubt about it, Mr. Soros is the product of his socialist mentors, as was Hitler who was supported by the Liberals of that time and day, facts can be pesky reminders, of the past and things to come.

      Socialist dreams are the idle thoughts and hopes of dreamers, whose associations with their apparatchiki and bolshevik friends give the impressions of placating the vagabonds among us. Ain’t life grand in Pixie Hollow? WFR

    • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

      George Soros is an evil man. Good work by Steve Kroft.

      • Ken

        What is surprising is 600 Jewish Rabbis and a glut of Jews came to Soros’ defense after the Glen Beck expose on Fox which is what got Beck sacked from Fox. What does this say about Jews in America? Just a question.

        • Jovianus

          Says a lot about what the Jewsih community thinks about Beck and his honesty doesn’t it?

    • Penny F.

      Wonderful, is it not a blessing to be able to read, learn and assimilate. Thank you for words of knowledge.

    • Al Sieber

      Dennis, thanks for bringing this up again, I’ve seen that interview before, and Jovi-anus, you sound like you would fit in well in some Communist country, or are you Jeramey L? or maybe HFlashman?

      • Jovianus

        Hey Al..or whoever you are and whatever name you post under here…I gave the link and the unedited Kroft interview yesterdy when this lyin’ buffoon posted this trash yesterday.

        Have a nice day whoever you decide to be today…

        • DaveH

          Please forgive Jovianus. With all his knowledge and intelligence, it is much too difficult for him to include a referential link with his claims.
          Personally, I doubt he provided one yesterday either.

        • Al Sieber

          Jovi-anus, my name is Al Sieber, I don’t hide under different names like you, and I work, unlike you, I have no time to be on this site like you all day. or is this HFlashman, American Liberal, etc.

          • Thamera

            Good one Al. I also told Jovi who I am and what I do and was mocked and ridiculed and called a liar, unpatriotic and unamerican because I teach a government class to high school students; and because I haven’t bought into the ridiculous liberal idea of “legal realism” that Jovi so loves to espouse, (which btw is something Jefferson warned us about) I therefore, am a fraud. I have always heard that the one’s doing the most name calling are the ones with the most to hide. Sounds like Jovi to me! haha…btw…he or she will NEVER answer anything personal about themself…lol

          • Al Sieber

            Well Thamera, he pi$$ed me off, he must be a mentally ill to use different names, or a paid hack.

          • Jovianus

            Thamera..let’s get this straight. I have not called you “a liar, unpatriotic and unamerican because [you] teach a government class to high school students”

            I am calling you one because you are one. There’s grave doubt you teach government classes. I mean, how can anyone who teaches government come out and state, not once, not twice, but insisted a third time, that the Senate can override the Constitution merely by majority vote.

            Your students must be laughing at you, any parent if they found out you were that out of touch with our way of government would be asking the Board for your competency test scores.

          • Thamera

            LOL Jovi…obviously you have something to hide (most recent claims by Bob Livingston come to mind)…or you are ashamed of what it is you do since you refuse to respond to the most simple of simple questions. Until you do, you have absolutely no credibility…zero, zip, nada.

    • Dennis Patrick

      I rebutted this garbage yesterday as well – Soros as a 14 year old Nazi svengali? $5 billion to the Democratic Party? “George Soros controls or influences most of the MSM”? How about a little proof? How about some evidence? Get your nose out of Glenn Beck’s backend and see a little reality. Google it, baby, and see how this fiction was assembled – IF YOU HAVE THE GUTS.

      • DaveH

        You’re right, How about a little proof. When you accuse somebody of being dishonest, the burden of proof is on the accuser. Be sure to include references with your proof.

      • JeffH

        DP, Polly want a cracker? bbbaaarrraaaccckkk!

      • TIME

        Oh DP,

        So what were the Hitler Youth? They were just kids, 100000 kids and old men held the Russians out of Berlin in late March – May 1945 at a cost to the Russians of well over 1 Million men.

        Now how about a 14 year old turning in his fellow Jews to be sent to camps to be killed.
        Now thats was a good little Special boy, NOT! Soros is the scum of the earth in all respects, he may have been born a Jewish person but per his own words, “he hate’s the Jew’s.”
        Thats rather harsh, to feel that way about your race don’t you think?
        Yet you stand behind that MONSTER.

        Look as I see it the folks in Israel now need to know that we The “Americans PEOPLE” – don’t agree at all with what Adolf Soetoro Obama stated on May 19th 2011.
        There is not one single AMERICAN who ever told Adolf Soetoro Obama to make such a statment about what we The American People feel.
        Adolf Soetoro’s statment made on may 19th 2011 are his feeling’s alone.

        We the American PEOPLE feel that the Jewish folks in ISRAEL should KEEP the land they fought for. Thats from a REAL American who feels that Adolf Soetoro Obama is a pile of rotten festering waste material. BTW – (As should any TRUE AMERICAN.)

        • eddie47d

          Still tripping on LSD aren’t you Time bomb?

          • JeffH

            …still stupi aren’t you 47Stupid!

          • TIME

            So Manzier 47 D cup,

            I must admit your a well rounded mindless bloody MONKEY.

            Hows it feel to be so bloody stupid, is it really as blissful as they say to be that stupid?
            Do you get all wet just thinking about being you?

            Your post make me LMAO daily if your the best that media matter has to offer they really are in bad shape.

          • Thamera

            Why the comment eddie? These are known facts about Soros. Have you never watched the man interviewed? I have many times. He has absolutely no remorse for his actions as a youth or ever for that matter, and he knew very well what he was doing and knows very well what he is doing now. Have you read anything that he has written about politics, about self-preservation, about the corporate mindset that you claim to abhor? I have and he is everything that is said about him and more. Apologists like you and Dennis and Jovi and company make it very easy for evil to flourish in this world and that is what is sad. Here’s a question: why are you and company so eager to claim that Soros isn’t exactly what he is? An evil man…

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Thamera,
            One explaination might be that they are very distant relatives?!?!?!?!

  • Louie

    I would normally be glad to comment…but my comment on the unjustice dealt to this man…well, it’s not printable for the public to see! I’m behind you all the way Colonel…thanks for being a man…..

    • Jovianus

      Lou..so a soldier who questions an order and refuses to comply…that’s “honor” to you? First off, he disobeyed an order from a superior. Second, his reasons were based on a wacked out belief that the President never had a birth certificate…even though time and again it was known to be available and he had passed all election requirements complied with all laws and only political enemies of the furtherest spectrum of ideological imblance were claming otherwise [his refusal was based upon political reasons, nothing else. There is no place in our civilian system for ther military to get involved]. Third, it [his refusal to obey orders] had nothing to do with those orders. Fourth, They were legal orders given.

      Whatever his brave deeds were in the past, he erased all that good because he is, and probably remains, a fool. There is more to honor in a soldier than being brave when lead is flying. You do America and the US military a huge dishonor and insult giving this soldier any respect for his wilfull disobeyance of an order whatsoever.

      • Penny F.

        Your comments are exactley what followers of Hitler made “We were following orders”

        • Al Sieber

          Penny F., very, very, good Penny. that was Hitler’s Hench Men’s excuse, Jovi-anus likes to disrupt this site with his “Bull$hit”.

        • Dennis Patrick

          It is a shame that you equate the orders of the honorable men and women who are leading the United States Army with the orders of Hitler. Why do you hate our Armed Forces so much?

          • http://yahoo richard

            those orders came from the idiot you helped put in the whitehouse not from the honorable men he worked for

          • DaveH

            Leave it to a Liberal to turn this subject into “hatred” of our military personel.
            Save your manipulative Liberal tactics for sites such as DailyKos, Dennis. The people who read this site have too much intelligence to swallow your adolescent manipulative techniques.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            At least admit which side you are on.
            Most of us were military, are military, have spouses and children in the military.
            You are a very stupid accuser. Prove all that you say.

          • Al Sieber

            Hey Dennis, my granddaughter is over in Afghanistan and knows what’s happening, we don’t hate our military, where did you come up with that crap?

          • JC

            Dennis Patrick says:

            May 20, 2011 at 8:38 am

            It is a shame that you equate the orders of the honorable men and women who are leading the United States Army with the orders of Hitler. Why do you hate our Armed Forces so much?
            _____________________________________________________________________

            Wrong…we don’t “hate” our armed forces. We despise tyrants and their idiot followers. Twist that!

          • Carlucci

            Isn’t it disgusting how all of these libtards like Dennis Patrick twist things around? Whoever said that the posters on this blog hate the military? What a sick thing to say.

          • JeffH

            DP, I see you’re a well trained Alinskyite. Folks are very wise to his tactics and you would be wiser to move on, and not MoveOn.Org who may have financed your education in some way.

          • libertytrain

            I suspect he’s doing the lib game with his other teammates –

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, for sure. It kinda reminds me of “tag team” rasslin.

          • eddie47d

            Don’t worry D.P. they will totally flip sides on this issue if there was a Ronald Reagan in office. They would crucify Lakin and pound the nails in themselves.

          • DaveH

            There goes Eddie the Parrot again. He must take notes from my comments. Baaarrrrraaaaccccckkkkk! Eddie want a cracker?
            Sorry, Eddie, but I said it first, except that its the Liberals whose Principles flip-flop depending on whose in office. Even more to the point, they have none, usless relieving other people of their money has become a Principle now.

          • JC

            eddie47d says:
            May 20, 2011 at 6:13 pm
            Don’t worry D.P. they will totally flip sides on this issue if there was a Ronald Reagan in office.
            ______________________________________________________________________Ronald Reagan was an American eddie…
            but that point is probably lost on you.

      • DaveH

        Listen to Jovianus, the man who has no credibility on this board, the man who has multiple personalities, talking about honor and obeying the law.
        How many times has Jovianus stuck up for Obama’s Unconstitutional actions?
        Jovianus is just a Liberal Zealot hack whose sole purpose is to disrupt and spread his Socialist propaganda on this board.
        It’s always funny to listen to Thieving, Controlling Liberals, who have no respect for their fellow human beings’ Freedom or Property, talking about such things as honor and laws.

        • Al Sieber

          DaveH, that’s Jovi-anus for you.

          • Al Sieber

            Dave, maybe Jovi-anus is really Dennis Patrick? in drag.

          • TIME

            Al,
            Is that, D fits P or P fits D?

          • Al Sieber

            Time, it fits either way.

        • Wayne937

          Jovi, have you ever taken a course in higher mathematics? There are some things we take for granted. Do you know what axioms are? At times we have to take things for granted as there is not any proof. In case your stupid, and don’t know what axioms are, here is the definition of an axiom: A self-evident principle or one that is accepted as true without proof as the basis for argument; a postulate. Don’t go off half cocked, Jovi. If some one tells you it is a windy day outside, don’t look at them foolishly, and say, prove it. Go ahead, go on, look it up for yourself, and then you will know that not all things needs to be proved. I guess only logical minded people can understand what I am tryibng to say here, so I’ll give you a pass on this as well as a few others who post here.

          • Thamera

            haha good one Wayne937…describes Jovi to a tee.

      • texastwin827

        You obviously are not very familiar with the military to make such a stupid comment, especially since several posters have already explained it to you.

        ANY soldier (officer or enlisted) is within his rights and, in fact, is obligated, to disobey an ILLEGAL order. If it is the soldier’s belief that the President is NOT a US Citizen, thereby rendering him as ineligible to be President and Commander in Chief, he is within military guidelines (obligation) to ignore the order because legally the man would not have any authority to act as President, if he was not a US Citizen.

        As for the “Military Justice” he received…the Lt Col did NOT receive a fair trial, regardless of where it was held and who administered the trial.

        As for Soros…he is the purest form of evil and, hopefully, someday an assassin’s bullet will meet up with him.

        • Jovianus

          If Lakin had a SCOTUS decision he could have provided that stated pres. obama was not eligible for the office…he may have a case that he was not obeying a lawful order. Since no court has ruled anything other than pres. obama is eligible to occupy the position…just how can Lakin say it was an unlawful order?

          • TIME

            Jo,
            So what court has proven Barry is a citizen?

            Please do tell as we all await with baited breath for your pearls of wisdom.

            Please be sure to include the CC# as well File date. Thanks again.

          • Jovianus

            Time:

            he was certified as eligible by 50 states in their election process. He has been certified by the Electoral College. He was sworn in by the Chief Justice.

            Anyone disagrees with any or all of those may file suit challenging those decisions. To date, all have been tossed as being totally without merit. In fact, I believe several attorneys have been sanctioned for bringing frivilous suits.

      • JLC

        Jovianus — One question! Have YOU ever served in the miitary? Where and when? Correction: Two questions.

        • eddie47d

          Why is that relevant to what Mr Lakin did? He disobeyed an order and some don’t see his actions as justifiable.

          • TIME

            Manzier 47 D cup,

            Your ordered to put your head in a vise and turn the crank until your head expoldes.
            Now get to it thats a direct order from Adolf Sortoro Obama your #1 leader.

      • Buffalojohn

        It took over two years for ovomet to produce a BIRTH CERT.Some of you think that is proof enough,and that makes ovomet eligible to be POTUS.There is STILL A MATTER OF WHO HIS FATHER IS.His FATHER STILL ISN’T A U.S.CITIZEN THAT MAKES ovomet INELIGIBLE TO BE POTUS.I hope there are more people in the MILATRY WHO ARE WILLING TO DISREGUARD AN ORDER.WHAT IF OVOMET TELLS THE MILATRY TO FIRE ON CITIZENS,YOU BETTER HOPE THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO OBAY THAT ORDER.

        • smilee

          BJ

          He produced and released the one Hawaii says is their legitimate birth certificate in 2008, the one he released this year is not by law in Hawaii their legitimate copy and he had to ask for a wavier to even get a copy himself but it is not the one Hawaii by law considers the legitimate copy and if you had a Hawaii this birth certificate you could not get a passport with it only the one like the copy he released in 2008. Hawaii officials have verified his are correct and a matter of lawful record there and have said this more than once. No one with standing has challenged this in court and because of that they will never address this, further as the judges said in the ninth that the courts have no jurisdiction over this as a sitting president by the Constitution can only be removed from office by the Congress through impeachment and conviction and not by the courts. All your theories fall way short of being supported by facts and are not true

      • Dan az

        look flash or who ever you are if you where told to kill the children would you do it or disobey an illegal order?If you where ordered to rape the women then kill them would you do it?Morality is what you have to think about before you just blindly do as your told.In your case I see you are doing just that following orders with out any thought on your part.
        I left this above but I’ll provide it here for you again the facts are the facts not your twisted logic.
        The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809.ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the “lawful command of his superior officer,” 891.ART.91 (2), the “lawful order of a warrant officer”, 892.ART.92 (1) the “lawful general order”, 892.ART.92 (2) “lawful order”. In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.
        So please stop your compulsive twisting of the facts and provide us with proof of what you are saying.

        • Jovianus

          Look Dan..or whoever you are…you have a SCOTYUS decision..or any court decision…that states Pres. obama is ineligible to occupy the office? Until you have one….go play games elsewhere. You think Pres. Obama is ineligible to hold the office? File suit. See how far you get a court to agree with that insanity…

          • Dan az

            Annus
            Leave my scotyus out of this.Better?

        • Al Sieber

          Dan az, his new name is yo! anus!

      • Andrea B

        The private-sector company that our govt contracts with to vet the president stated openly that they DID NOT vet him.

        There was no reason given, only that it WAS NOT DONE.

        This info can be found in Jerome Corsi’s new book.

        • smilee

          And what private sector company is that???? Name please?? lol

          • Thamera

            Guess you should read the book smilee instead of rely on the MSM to spoon feed you.

          • smilee

            What Book?? We where talking about a company. Don’t watch that station, your sure assume a lot, maybe that is why you are in the dark so much

          • Jovianus

            Smilee…you can’t disagree with Thamera. She teaches government classes to HS students so she absolutely knows a private company vets a president before he can take office.

            By the gawds above…this one is even better than the Senate having the authority to override the Constitution!

        • Thamera

          Do you actually READ the posts that you reply to Smilee? good grief…might want to go back and read it again….

      • azwayne

        ANus, stuff it. Lakin is ten times the man you would ever be. He has gut, you hide behind stupid names. He stood up for what he believes was right, you quote idiotic phrases provided by your cult leader/.From what I can read almost everyone here knows you well.Maybe better try another name change so somebody might read first line, won’t take long. Like the gentleman above, what country would you like? You don’t fit here.

        • Jovianus

          Livingston didn’t and hasn’t manned up to his error. I can’t help that. there’;s enough proof showing he was wrong…

          Not my problem. We now know his credibility…lol. Your problem if you choose to ignore fact.

          • JeffH

            Jovi-commie, Mr. Livingston “GOTCHA”, outted you and you have the nerve to question his credibility. That coming from the lips of some faker with “ZERO” credibility is incredible. You are a faker and a “NOTHING” “NADA”.

          • DaveH

            You lie, Jovianus! As usual. Like any of us regulars would expect anything different?
            Bob Livingston has nothing to man up to, and you know it.
            People, if you’re sitting on the fence, it would behoove you to pay attention to Jovi’s comments, because this is the kind of person who wants to make your decisions for you. You may have been deluded into thinking the Leaders are special people, but I assure you, they are just like Jovianus. Nothing special, they just want to run your life.

          • eddie47d

            Dave H.: He has an opinion on issues just like you. He has never once told anyone to vote for Obama like you weekly tell people to vote for the Libertarian Party. So who is forcing their opinion on everyone else? Jovianus offers a different perspective and you go off in a tangent. It’s either your way or the highway.Some of you say you are for the Constitution and especially the 1st Amendment but continually try to shut someone out.

          • DaveH

            I’m forcing my way on you? Poor Baby. I thought you Union Thugs were tougher than that.
            Are you really that ignorant, Eddie47duh? Nobody, I repeat, Nobody can force their way on somebody else by just talking.
            It must kill you, Eddie, that you just can’t “go to da box and get da club” to use on the rest of us.

          • eddie47d

            Then stop complaining about Jovianus you whimpering crybaby!Boo Ho!

      • Hank, MO

        I’ll bet Lt. Calley wished that he’d disobeyed a few orders back in 1970 in Vietnam. Ever heard of the My Lai massacre? None of his “superiors” ever had to pay a price for their parts in that affair either, as I recall. Your idea of ‘dishonor’, JollyA$$, seems pretty distorted to me. Though you write about dishonoring the U.S. military, I’d wager you never donned a uniform nor spoke a favorable word about our military except when it might win favor for your ridiculous political opinions.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        jovi,
        I know a cobraq pilot that refused to fire his 2.75 rockets on a ville he had overflown and when the infantry walked in later and met no resistance what so ever, they found no evidence, what so ever, that there had been any cong in the ville. All they found were a few peaceful men and a whole lot of women and children!! It was later found out that the information had been wrong by about ten miles and everyone in this small ville had been giving intelligence to our troops about movements in the area, GOOD intelligence! So yes, there are times I DO most DEFINATELY call not blindly following orders being a hero!!! You sir, are a definate A$$!

  • Penny F.

    This is disgusting that Col. Lakin, a man of honor, should be treated in this mannner. A man who has given loyalty to our country, jailed because of this nasty little piece of human feces inability to be a “MAN”. He threw Israel to the wolves yesterday, may GOD have mercy on his miserable soul.

    • Mick

      Penny F. says:
      May 20, 2011 at 7:20 am
      This is disgusting that Col. Lakin, a man of honor, should be treated in this mannner. A man who has given loyalty to our country, jailed because of this nasty little piece of human feces inability to be a “MAN”. He threw Israel to the wolves yesterday, may GOD have mercy on his miserable soul.
      **********************************************
      Penny…I second that.Obama has no shame…..
      What happened to the Col. should never be permitted and what This slug is doing to Israel is beyond comprehension but he now want to bail Egypt out ?? America is sinking and he is digging a bigger hole to bury us in.
      Come on people,if you can count start adding the destructive decisions this so called president is making you may get a clue to where this will lead us………It doesn’t look good…………

      Obama: US taxpayers must bail out Egypt’s economy.
      The United States taxpayer funds 50% of the Egyptian military budget. A total of $1.5 Billion a year. Recently Saudi Arabia offered to take over this commitment just to reduce US meddling in the region. Obama refused. Now Obama is demanding that American taxpayers foot the bill for an Egyptian economic bailout.

      Obama wants a $1 Billion Egyptian economic bailout to reward the “transitional government.”

      • Dan az

        Mick I agree with you and the fact is they are the brotherhood that supports the radical hammas that supports shari law and the distruction of all infidels.If this isn’t proof of what he is trying to do I don’t know what is.

        • Mick

          Dan az says:
          May 20, 2011 at 10:37 am
          Mick I agree with you and the fact is they are the brotherhood that supports the radical hammas that supports shari law and the distruction of all infidels.If this isn’t proof of what he is trying to do I don’t know what is.
          *****************************
          Dan,,,,,,,,,,,,Obama’s speeches are printed, recorded and available to everyone but somehow many refuse to even consider that America’s best interest is threaten by this president .
          I honestly don’t know what it will take for them to see the light.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      I don’t want God to have mercy on his miserable soul.

  • David in MA

    Larkin should team up with Judge Moore (I think that’s his name) and run for President & Vice-President and return honor to the White House.
    A judge who believes in the Ten Commandments and a questioning solder would be far far better than obozo, slick willie or any number of other scumbags.
    They would get my vote.

    • Wayne937

      Hey! why didn’t I think of this!!!! This would be a great idea. I hope Colonel is reading this blog.

  • Valerie Lacasse

    It is amazing how people can only resort to name calling . similar to some of the people they elect and when others do not use the same tatic the name calling is resorted to . Well The PRESIDENT so far has not resorted to the meaness LIKE HIM OR NOT, you may not like his platform but is the name calling necessary?

    • DaveH

      How dare we call Obama names!
      All he and his party have done is to steal the money of others including unborn children who will be on the hook for his folly even though they had no vote in the matter.
      When he couldn’t steal our money directly through such schemes as mandatory health insurance, he stole it indirectly through bailing out chosen Crony Capitalists, thus inflating our money supply and making our cash savings worth less (much less).
      He has made many false campaign promises. He has made a mockery of the Nation’s laws. He has stepped on the Constitution repeatedly.
      He has the audacity to proclaim that he speaks for Americans when he unilaterally declares that Israel should take its borders back to pre-1967 levels.
      He violates the War Powers Resolution to take arbitrary sides in the Libyan conflict.
      How dare anybody call the dictator names!

      • Carlucci

        Valerie, this blog is all about free expression of opinions, including calling anyone names. If you don’t like it go somewhere else, like HuffPo.

      • http://yahoo richard

        im glad i read your answer before i wrote anything, i was about to write a string of profanity but your answer is so much better

        • Carlucci

          richard – what a nice thing to say. Thank you.

    • Dennis Patrick

      Valerie,

      The name calling is a standard M.O. around this playground. Not just for the President but individual posters here. (Ask Jovianus – I’ve seen his/her screen name with more twists than a George W. press conference.) Dissent is not welcome. Discussion of facts? Dream on!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Yet you are still here on this site. Why?

        • Dennis Patrick

          Just trying to intervene in your oxycontin-induced hallucinations.

          • Carlucci

            Hey everybody – I think we’ve discovered yet another new member of the “Romper Room” – Dennis Patrick! Which cubicle are you sitting in Dennis? Next to jovi?

          • JC

            A 6th Libtard with the same IP address?

          • http://deleted Claire

            Hmmm.. I thought Rush was the only one that took oxycontin. I don’t see hallucinations on this blog. Maybe a bit of radicalism but thats all. And I can get radical too, especially about muslims/islams. This entire scene makes me think of this—place 5 people that breed show dogs in a room together and have them evaluate one (1) puppy. Believe me, they will all have a different opinion. This is what makes the world go around. Differences in opinion and the freedom to express them.

          • Al Sieber

            Good one Carlucci!!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Here we go, folks!!! Dennis Patric, another lap sitter in jovi’s playground!!!!

      • JeffH

        Again the Marxist Alinskyite Dennis Patrick speaks.

        Alinsky’s tactics were based, not on Stalin’s revolutionary violence, but on the Neo-Marxist strategies of Antonio Gramsci, an Italian Communist. Relying on gradualism, infiltration and the dialectic process rather than a bloody revolution, Gramsci’s transformational Marxism was so subtle that few even noticed the deliberate changes.

        Of Means and Ends [Forget moral or ethical considerations]

        “The end is what you want, the means is how you get it. Whenever we think about social change, the question of means and ends arises. The man of action views the issue of means and ends in pragmatic and strategic terms. He has no other problem; he thinks only of his actual resources and the possibilities of various choices of action. He asks of ends only whether they are achievable and worth the cost; of means, only whether they will work. … The real arena is corrupt and bloody.”

        • Dennis Patrick

          JeffH: thank you for the thoughtful engagement. (I really mean that – I’m not being facitious.) I would rather be accused of a differing ideology than mocked for disagreeing with your views. I certainly can find a parallel path in my thinking with Gramsci’s theory on hegemony, however I reject his ideas regarding praxis and his ideas on political struggle.

          • JeffH

            DP, you’re rather obvious about it and at least you are man enough to admit it.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You don’t know what you are saying. The smarmy laugher does call people names.

    • JC

      Valerie, I will continue to feel free to call the kenyan anything BUT President for as long and as loud as I damned well please. :)

    • Wayne937

      I’ll tell you why, Valerie. People are flustrated with the illegal things this administration is doing. If we had an honest president in office we could be having a more civil discussion.

      • smilee

        WHAT A COP OUT!!

        • JC

          Tourettes?

          • http://deleted Claire

            JC– tourettes? Dang it, I can’t help it but this made me laugh.

    • ICEMAN45

      Valerie: If it walks like a duck quacks like a duck swims like a duck looks like a duck then it must be a duck.Barack Hussien Obama sounds like a muslin looks like a muslim prays like a muslim went to school as a muslim in Indonesia therefore he must be a MUSLIM a BLACK/WHITE MUSLIM who is dead set on destroying the UNITED STATES. Now he is trying to piss off Isreal and Packistan to the point that being the only NUCLEAR armed Mideast countries that they both launch nukes at the US at the same time and if Iran has hidden nukes it will join in not to mention North Korea.The United States is Obliterated while this BLACK/WHITE Muslim ASSININE IDIOT sits either in KENYA or INDONESIA and LAUGHS HIS BLACK/WHITE ASS off because he accomplished what GERMANY AND JAPAN failed to do and that is the destruction of the UNITED STATES.

      • smilee

        YOUR PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • JC

          Meds wearing off?

  • Charles

    Lt. Col. Larkin, you have my support, and wish I could have been there to meet you at the airport!!! This White House breaks my heart. May G_d bless you, and in some way may G_d yet bless America!!!

  • Former Walmart person

    Technically, if you really want to follow the letter and spirit of the law, all of us in the military could be hung as traitors (or do they do death by firing squad now – have to check the latest version of the Manual for Military Justice (MJM)). If it turns out that Barrack is not constitutionally qualified, we are all instant traitors to our country. Of course, the argument could be made that every single service man and woman who has depployed to the middle east to fight out illigitamate wars are instant traitors since CON-gress hasn’t formally declared war since World War 2. The one guy in the armed services who follows his oath and questions his command in chief gets punished when he should be the only exempt from traitor status.

    My motto is better to be a traitor to an evil system than an unquestioning Nazi.

    • DaveH

      What I’d like to know is where are the military protests to the illegal war in Libya? What have Government people come to when they swear an oath to support the Constitution, and then blatantly ignore it? Do peoples’ honor mean nothing anymore?

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Former,
      Actually Congress did give approval to go to IRAQ!!! Nobummer is the one that didn’t even call on congress to ask their opine!!!

  • http://personalliberty.com Tracie Smith

    I am NOT convinced this ‘form’ IS his birth certificate. He lies about EVERYTHING else, why not this?
    Besides, I read yesterday, that the file number on obama’s ‘certificate was that of a baby girl that had died two days after birth. Can’t remember what website was, but it was very interesting reading.
    I JUST do NOT trust him(obama).

  • Art

    But the question remains. Was it a lawful order?

    • Mick

      Art

      The UCMJ on illegal orders

      The Uniform Code of Military Justice is more concerned about failure of military personnel to obey legitimate orders than it is about refusal to obey illegitimate orders, but it does address the subject. In Section 16c(1)(c) it provides:

      Lawfulness. A general order or regulation is lawful unless it is contrary to the Constitution, the laws of the United States, or lawful superior orders or for some other reason is beyond the authority of the official issuing it.

      And in Section 14c(2)(a)(i):

      Inference of lawfulness. A order requiring the performance of a military duty or act may be inferred to be lawful and it is disobeyed at the peril of the subordinate. This inference does not apply to a patently illegal order, such as one that directs the commission of a crime.

      These provisions allow for the disobedience of illegal orders, but such orders may themselves constitute a crime, or be part of a criminal conspiracy, either under military or civilian law. Under federal law, 18 USC 242, it is illegal for anyone under the color of law to deprive any person of the rights, privileges or immunities secured by the U.S. Constitution, and under 18 USC 241 it is illegal to conspire to violate such rights. It is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. This could be applied to military personnel who abuse the rights of citizens, either military or civilian. The UCMJ also defines an Article 134 offense: Impersonating a commissioned, warrant, noncommissioned, or petty officer, or an agent or official. This could apply to a military officer who impersonates a civilian official in an action against civilians. This includes actions taken under martial law. In RCM 202(a):

      The exercise of jurisdiction under Article 2(a)(11) in peacetime has been held unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States. Article 2(a)(10) has also been limited.

      In RCM 302(b) Who may apprehend. The following officials may apprehend any person subject to trial by court-martial:

      (1) Military law enforcement officials.

      (2) Commissioned, warrant, petty, and noncommissioned officers.

      However, anyone, including the lower enlisted grades, may apprehend for violation of civilian laws, provided it is done as an independent act of a citizen and not under orders.

      Also be aware of the Posse Comitatus Act, which forbids members of the Army and Air Force to be used for domestic law enforcement.

      The key point is this: You not only have the right to disobey an illegal order, but you may also have the duty to apprehend the parties issuing such an order if such issuance is part of the commission of a crime.

    • Wayne937

      Let me give you an extreme example. If Obama ordered you to jump over the moon, would this be an unlawful order, or an improper order???? Think about this and you will get the. In my opinion, it is asking some one to do something that is impossible to do. Maybe some one else can straighten me out on this one. Not you Jovi…

      • Hank, MO

        It would be both, unlawful and improper, Wayne937– unlawful because Obama does not hold his position legitimately and improper because the act being ordered is obviously impossible.

      • Mick

        Wayne937 says:
        May 20, 2011 at 10:14 am
        Let me give you an extreme example. If Obama ordered you to jump over the moon, would this be an unlawful order, or an improper order???? Think about this and you will get the. In my opinion, it is asking some one to do something that is impossible to do. Maybe some one else can straighten me out on this one. Not you Jovi
        *************************************
        Just posting the UCMJ regulations Wayne937.!
        Notice that I controlled copied your full post and your full name so i wouldn’t make the same mistake you made by answering to Jovi instead of Mick…

  • http://GOOGLE SUNBUM

    THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ARTICLE, HOWEVER; I BELIEVE, IT NEEDS YOUR ATTENTION.

    MANY PLACES WILL NOT ALLOW ALL CAPS -
    I USE ALL CAPS, NOT BECAUSE I AM ANGRY, BUT; BECAUSE IT IS EASIER FOR ME ! I AM ONLY A 77 YR OLD HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUT, TYPING WITH 2 FINGERS, WITHOUT SPELL CHECK I’D BE LOST. I MAY BE UNEDUCATED – BUT, I AM NOT STUPID.

    LOOKS TO ME, LIKE BOB LIVINGSTON, AND STANSBERRY ASSOCIATES, MAY BE PART OF OUR PROBLEM, AND NOT THE SOLUTION. I JUST RECEIVED AN EMAIL TODAY, ONE OF MANY. I REFER TO THE SALES PITCH BY STANSBERRY, SAYING HOW WE CAN LEGALLY COLLECT AN EXTRA $34’000, THROUGH SOME LOOPHOLE THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO SELL YOU ??
    I’VE RECEIVED THESE ADDS BEFORE AND IT INVOLVED ME COLLECTING EXTRA MONEY FROM SOC. SEC. IT WAS ALSO DEEMED TO BE LEGAL – BUT – IS IT ETHICAL ?? I DON’T KNOW ANY THING ELSE ABOUT IT, BECAUSE; I AM NOT GOING TO BE SCAMMED OUT OF EXTRA MONEY TO CHECK ON SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT LOOK PROPER TO ME. IT’S BAD ENOUGH OBAMA IS BANKRUPTING THIS COUNTRY; I DON’T INTEND TO HELP HIM.

    • bob wire

      Does your mouse have a ‘wheel” on it ? ~ If it doesn’t, you need to get one that does.

      On your key board at the far left bottom ~ there is a key marked “Ctrl”. If you press down this key and turn the thumb wheel on your mouse at the same time it enlarges the screen display to any sized that you find comfortable to see. Your sight problem solved!

      These skills are for you to master and everyone starts at someplace knowing little. ~ Welcome! and enjoy the learning and sharing process the forum experience offers.

      However, if you wish to do this it’s best to not dip your hands in the punch bowel or fart loud in mix company if you expect to “blend” in.

      • mickey

        Thank you. I didn’t know this. I too have a hard time reading posts in a smaller font. This has been such a big help to me.

        • texastwin827

          Mickey, you can also go up to the menu icons (where it says File, Edit, VIEW, etc) and select view, then check to see if your version has Zoom or Text Size. If it does, Zoom is what I usually pick to select and then pick whatever % increase you need (i.e. 125%, 150% etc)

      • Wayne937

        Bob, I am sorry but that does not work in all cases. It may be because I get this personalliberty notification in my e-mail, and I click the link to bring me here. It may work if I would use IE. Thanks.

      • Dan az

        Bob Wire
        That was a good one.lol!

    • DaveH

      The solution is simple, Sunbum. Use your Browser menu to enlarge your text size.
      Meanwhile, if you want people to read your comments, you should use lowercase letters.

      • texastwin827

        DaveH…at 77 yrs old, he can use ANY size case he wants! He’s already explained why, so to continue to insist he “conform” is not only ridiculous but also rude on your part.

        • DaveH

          I didn’t insist he use anything. Read the comment, Texas. And you are being rude to call me rude for trying to help the guy. Dork.

          • Carlucci

            Chill, texastwin. DaveH was only trying to be helpful.

    • Blueshoes

      Sunbum,

      Here are a couple more tips:

      If you’re using “Mozilla – Firefox” Internet Browser, hold down the “Ctrl” key and depress the (+) or (-) key to zoom in or out and the (zero) key to restore to normal.

      If you’re using “Microsoft – Internet Explorer” Browser, it’s the same as above but restore is the (*) key. There is also another way. In the Internet Explorer window, at the lower (bottom) right corner you can select the zoom level.

  • bob wire

    A soldiers purpose IS NOT to wonder why, but to do or die.

    No army on earth can do it’s job with such a soldier.

    It’s a simple life, you know what you are going to eat (if you are luck) and what you are going to wear and who you are to serve.

    There is only one thing that you can’t do and that’s not do what you are told.

    6 months confinement was light.

    The military is no place for free agents.

    • DaveH

      Do they or do they not swear an oath to obey and protect the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic?
      Are they or are they not involved in an illegal war in Libya?

      • bob wire

        There is no place for “Blue Sky” and “Loose Canons” in the military Dave. ~ It’s black or it’s white. ~ anything outside those two colors is beyond a E 7 or Colonels pay grade and they need defer it to a JAG officer.

        The military does the best they can to make a soldiers life simple and his purpose crystal clear. There is little room offered or permitted for question. It’s do or do not. It can be a good and very rewarding life for as long as “any life” might last. A solider ‘should” knows this when signing up and taking the oath, he’s has abridged his constitution freedom and liberty for a different life, one of a soldier deffer notion of honor , loyalty, and morality to system that employs and depend on a chain of command.

        • DaveH

          Don’t dance around the issue, Bob. They swear to uphold the Constitution. That overrides all else.

          • bob wire

            and don’t act thick! That’s an attorney’s job when and if in question or doubt! I’m left to believe this soldier opted to carry it that far and enjoyed the fruits of all his efforts.

            End of story !

            If it was up to men like myself (combat vets) , he’d still be in the brig today. Good riddance, the armed forces is no place for Junior Officers ( anything below a Full Bird ) or quarter master personal to think they are attorneys that wish to interpret constitutional law and can disobey lawful orders without serious consequences.

          • JC

            And dance around the issue is exactly what he did Dave.
            Typical Liberal BS.

          • DaveH

            Bob, I rarely try to dicipher your obtuse statements.

          • bob wire

            No , I don’t think that you do get it ~ JC, there is no issue. That is simply some manifestation of a civilian mind that you are privileged too entertain that comes at the expense, blood and sweat and committed of men and women who serve in our military.

          • JC

            Again…what are you going on about bob?
            do you think that YOU can tell me something about being an American?
            LMAO :) C’mon bob…you’re a communist! LOL

          • http://?? Joe H.

            bob,
            If you served like you say, then you KNOW there is a clause in the UCMJ that not only permits them to question what they believe to be an unlawful or unconstitutional order it REQUIRES them to!!! If they are charged for it, they have the right to present any and ALL evidence pertaining to their charges! In this case he was not allowed to speak on his beliefs which were pertinent to his case!!

        • Ken

          Bob could use a good dose of Oath Keepers.

      • azwayne

        We swore our oath to uphold the constitution of the united states, not to the illegal usurper in the white house. Our founders knew this could happen, they approved a 100% foolproof document for the United States to survive on. When the illegal commander in chief is approved by such an incompetent congress and has in position such disgusting leaders of our military, I am glad to see someone with brains and gumption challenge and attempt to wake up what’s left of America. Dodson go with ANUS to the play room you’ve been found out, come on admit,Carney’s white house propaganda room, move on toll network, you don’t make asses of yourselves for nothing, do you, or maybe this ic college assignment, High school?

    • NotBlind

      bob wire, if you are suggesting that those in the military check their common sense and free will to think for themselves (thus, the ability to know right from wrong)at the door when they sign up, then we may all be in a world of hurt when Obama decides to declare the military is under his control and turns the men (and women?)in his private military against us.

      • bob wire

        I suggesting that you have a military career and everything that goes with one or you don’t.

        It’s not complicated. ~ It’s in or out ! with no middle ground to stand.

        otherwise, ~ leaving anyone to take their free thinking, personal liberty ass down the highway.

        It’s lead, follow or get to f&?ck out of the way with some snap in deliberate fashion.

        • libertytrain

          you are correct to some extent but we still have to be mindful of the My Lai type situations. Orders are not always lawful orders. And the person expecting our loyalty is not always lawful or worthy.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          bob,
          you keep up the same mantra and what you say is VERY important under combat conditions WHEN you are in the AO!!! The good Col. was not yet in said AO and therefor your ideas have no standing!!

      • texastwin827

        If that time comes, he may find that some (many) of those well trained, combat experienced military men/women will NOT follow his orders. My youngest daughter has many Marine & Army friends (from school days) who have already done 3-4 tours in Iraq/Afghanistan and the majority of them say “we don’t belong there”. They also seem to have little respect for our President.

        So while these One World Elitists (both parties) may have dreams of controlling (aka enslaving) the US citizen, someday, they may have created the very force that will be their undoing…experienced combat veterans who will defend their country & Constitution, above all enemies, both foreign & domestic.

        • Wayne937

          texastwin827, knowing how the military feels toward Obama he will most likely see to it that they don’t get to vote, or their votes will not be counted. This is what happened during the 2008 election. I don’t think a lot of military men and women have much respect for Obama. It is only fools who respect this man.

          • bob wire

            Soldiers are not there for the purpose of their “feeling”.

            Now I admit, today ~ it is sad ~ that a dreadful economy starting as early as 2004 allowed some people with less marketable skill to enlist in military service finding gainful employment scarce and they truly having little stomach for the hardship or the oath they took.

            You people seem to believe soldier are entitled broad options once they have committed to serve? This is just not the way it works if you seek an Honorable Discharge.

            And you claim to be conservatives? committed to anything besides yourselves?

            It clear you know little of the military , so why bother trying whine your way into the discussion?

          • JC

            You people seem to believe soldier are entitled broad options once they have committed to serve? This is just not the way it works if you seek an Honorable Discharge.
            ________________________________________________________________

            “Broad Options”? hardly…that’s just you doing what Libtards do…exaggerating.

        • Ken

          Big Sis Napolitano at DHS agrees with you.

  • David Warheit

    He was given a lawful order to report to his next assignment but he failed to do so. This is desertion, for which he was lawfully tried and convicted. What was the defense that he was not allowed to present? There is no lawful government of the United States, so therefore the order wasn’t lawful. Even Lakin himself admits “he then did something he later admitted might not have been the smartest decision he ever made: He declined to go.” I hope that he now realizes that the order was lawful. He should be very grateful that he was treated with kid gloves: only six months in the slammer instead of 5 years.

    Bottom line: good riddance to a coward who refused a combat assignment.

    • DaveH

      Good riddance to a coward? Dream on. This man stood against the most powerful organization on this earth for his Principles.
      Something I doubt you would ever dream of, David. If you even have any Principles.
      If only we had more honorable men like Larkin in this country.
      Instead we have a country full of these kind of people:
      http://mises.org/daily/4125

      • bob wire

        What a crock! principals! my a$$.

        sounds like a choir boy in the wrong outfit.

        • JC

          principals require thought, morality and conscience.
          ergo: you are not qualified to comment.

        • DaveH

          Principles, Bob, not “principals”. No wonder you have none, you’ve been rebelling against Principals since you’ve been in High School.

    • fixyourself

      Stop showing the same bad judgement the officer did, David.

      The decorated doctor was neither an idiot, nor a coward. He made an impassioned stand on a losing issue.

      His conviction of the crime he committed was just. Passions on both sides distort the observers view of facts….. try to remember that, and you will know yourself better.

    • JC

      David Warheit says:

      May 20, 2011 at 7:33 am

      He was given a lawful order to report to his next assignment but he failed to do so. This is desertion, for which he was lawfully tried and convicted.
      _________________________________________________________________

      He diosobeyed an immoral order from an illegal President.
      You should have such courage…but you don’t.

      • bob wire

        JC you are just showing everyone here what a ditts you are. ~

        There is no room for debate on this one and that you seem to think that there might be, just show us how flawed your thinking process has became in your zeal to diminish and debase a sitting president.

        That is a lot to being a Soldiers and this determination to carry out an order is just one reason why we hold them in high regard.

        • JC

          I see you are resorting to that tired old game of support the troops must mean supporting the war…
          two different things my brainwashed little friend.
          I hold the troops in the highest esteem…but not illegal wars under an illegal Kenyan.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JC
            AMEN!!! Even even dip$hit Bush consulted congress!!! Brokeback nobummer didn’t bother because he thinks he RULES and is above the system!!!

    • Richard Pawley

      You apparently did not read all the article before commenting on it. Col. Lakin had already served in Afghanistan once, and many other places with distinction and honor. He is anything but a coward. Honor is something one has within oneself. It does not depend on what goes on around you. He admits he made a bad decision. If you have never made one you are indeed blessed. I knew someone who served three tours is Vietnam and he resigned after 18 years, also losing his pension, but not going to jail. He told me that he felt he would not survive another tour there. This has nothing to do with this case but I just thought of it for the first time in decades.
      We all have many decisions to make in life and Lt. Col. Lakin admits he did not make the best one here. I thought so at the time and said a pray for him. Had he been a Christian (as in the 106 page classic Christian paperback PRISON TO PRAISE by another Lt. Col. (Merlin Carothers) who went to jail before becoming a Lt. Col. he could have prayed for direction and guidance and likely would have decided differently). Lakin’s loss of pension will not be so much in a few years because the policies of our current president and the 110th and 111th Congress are going to assure than no one’s pension is going to be worth much before this decade is over, and some say sooner than that. While I am not as convinced of this birther business as was Lakin I am as convinced that we are going to have at least 250% inflation before this show is over. Count on it, though I don’t know how long this will take.
      Personally, I never questioned Obama’s birth certificate, figuring that if something was amiss the Clinton’s would have found out when Obama was running for president. However, the president’s sudden releasing of the long form after two years and the great expense he went to not release it struck me as quite odd. I saw nothing in it that looked worth hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep secret, so it seemed totally illogical that he would suddenly release it just because Donald Trump was making a big deal out of it.
      A reader sent me the following web site which goes into more detail than the one given above: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY&feature=player_embedded
      This stuff is a bit over my head but I asked the opinion of someone whose livelihood is computers and he told me the following: “I’ve not downloaded the pdf and attempted to duplicate the process as I don’t have Adobe Illustrator software, but the technique used in the video is accurate and follows what Adobe Illustrator is capable of doing. I read about the layers feature directly from the Adobe web site and it follows what the video shows. IN MY OPINION, THE VIDEO IS CREDITABLE.”
      My friend also said: “When you download a copy of a pdf, it carries all the original attributes. If you print a downloaded pdf document onto paper and then scan the paper to a new pdf, the new pdf is flat – there’s nothing to decompress but the original layer. The process in the video is accurate. AutoCAD, Visio, and all graphic applications I’ve used incorporate layers. What you can also see is the lighter areas (pixel dithering) around the ink (wet) signatures compared to little or no diminished pixels around the darker letters that have been assembled by adding black pixel blocks to form the last name after the capital “D”. These areas do not match the surrounding wet signature against the security paper design in the background. It is extremely difficult if not impossible to duplicate or match ink pixel dithering separation around added layers (especially on safety paper). A graphic artist proficient in document enhancement would have performed the changes, printed the changed document and then scan it to produce a new pdf that would show one single flat layer without any additional layers if the document was decompressed. Whoever suggested the birth certificate could be altered without detection was extremely ignorant of document layer assembly and decompression techniques. To add insult to injury (or down right stupidity), the white house web page administrator failed to lock down the posted pdf with “view only” attribute to prevent downloads of an open file that could be decompressed.”
      This would all be of more importance to those who understand it better than I. However, I am left to wonder, “What is the truth?”. I know the CIA is far to smart to make a mistake like this but the amateurs that the president has surrounded himself with are not. Still it is more likely that someone planned this ‘mistake’ than that it was a mistake. But why? I can only think of one reason. To keep those who should be more concerned with what the czars, and the bureaucrats, and the Congress, and the FED, and even the president himself, are doing, then to waste more time on this. Someday the truth will come to light. It always does, but if we don’t get involved and be about what is going on here and now this won’t be of any value in a few years. There are those who do not believe our nation can survive another 20 years. If we don’t get the spending under control they are probably right. I recall selling newspapers for 5 cents and getting to keep 2 cents when I was a kid, and now a paper costs 20 to 30 times that. Consequently we will still likely be able to muddle through when a newspaper is $4 and gasoline and milk is $10 a gallon (which by the way is the title of Chapter 4 of my last book). Still, this is going to cause a lot of suffering and hardship, and it would be unnecessary if we could get responsible leadership from the Tea Party. It is obvious that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are willing to do what is necessary to stop this from happening, although there are a few of both parties who would be willing to do so, but don’t wish to risk their careers as did Colonel Lakin for what they believe is right.
      Phony or not, if the president had released this long form birth certificate years ago, this man’s career would not have been ruined but the Marxists in Washington do not believe in the individual or in the rule of law. The seem to care only for the masses, a far cry from the America of old. Even some who purport to be Christian believe in a perverted form of Christianity where only the “collective” counts, not the individual. I don’t know the answer to all this, but I do believe that those who believe in a God who answers prayer need to pray like the life of the country depended on it, because it just might. May God help us because no one else is going to do so. Dum spiro spero!

      • Dan az

        Great post as usual Righard put could you explain what(Dum spiro spero!)means?I just don’t get it!Thanks

        • Carlucci

          Dum spiro spero means “While I breathe, I hope” in Latin. According to Google, it is a very popular tattoo right now.

          • Dan az

            Thanks Carlucci!

      • bob wire

        What anyone’s retirement, where they might get it or not, present or future inflation, is very much a side issue here. a that purely horse manure commontary ~ The birther issue should be, ~ but I feel generous enough to considered it only to open the door to allow it to stand on it’s own merits.

        ~ It is void of merit! void of substance, void of fact, yet Lt. Col. Terry Lakin acted on it and paid the price for his poor judgment. We don’t want or need such a soldier in uniform representing the Arm Forces. If there be more of them that harbor such “feeling”, step froward and we can sent you home.

        I would enjoy seeing the rest of you enjoy the rewards of your decisions as well. Kate ! how about some time out? JC?, Dave,? Jeff? , Robin? People like you lead this weak mind astray.

        Now as to why 44′s records were sealed and many facts and data not available to public domain. If you would investigate this behavior you will discover 43 did the same thing and for much the same reasons. As I understand it, all modern president now do this as a precaution to people that enjoy smoke and mirrors and general tom foolery

        as to why? I don’t see that you need or deserve a reason, that the state normally does not release this long form for obvious reasons that you so clearly brought forward, tampering and Tom foolery

        Only was this document released at the Presidents lawyers request with the hopes it might offer some conclusion, people would leave the state alone ~ being very tired of the traffic and work load the “controversy” has generated.

        I don’t expect any of you birthers to accept any responsibility for this man behavior. But he has, which is more then can be said for you.

        Just became a few thousand people are going nuts and acting a fool doesn’t not require acting or comment from the rest of us.

        That some “attention whore” pushed the issue and the media went into a frenzies, while selling, soap, automobiles, insurance, and investment managing and completely drowned out the serious issues government was attempting to address for 6 news cycles, you forced the President hand.

        Obama had had enough and gave you the attention all of you crazy’s asked for and Trump got a smack down b1tch slapping in the process. He clamored for it ~ and he and you all got what you asked for.

        oh! and Richard, nice posting.

  • http://www.diyyardandhome.com Dan

    It’s not a surprise what has happened. Unlike most officers who attend West Point, Army Lawyers and Judges do not. They are a product of liberal schools and it appears their politics have bled into the Army.

  • Billy G

    Apparently disobeying an order is the crime a serviceman cannot commit under any circumstance. If he was ordered to commit some type of crime he has no choice but to follow orders. Seems a bit one sided but as stated it is the Army. It is a shame that the military is treated like indentured servants but this is what you get when you volunteer. You loose your rights! Isn’t America great?

    • The7hson

      Billy,Billy,Billy…what can we do?

      You, obviously, don’t have the first clue what you’re talking about.

      “Apparently disobeying an order is the crime a serviceman cannot commit under any circumstance. If he was ordered to commit some type of crime he has no choice but to follow orders”

      WRONG! Military personell are required to DISOBEY an order to “commit some type of crime”…that is called an “unlawful order”.

      As for military being treated like indentured servants, we’re not, we’re government property – and we understand that from day one. Perhaps you’d understand that if you served.

      For crying out loud people, let’s think before we type.

      By the way, Billy, two tips for you:

      1. When you say “You loose your rights!”, remember, there is only one “o” in the word “lose”.

      2. When your IQ gets up to 85…SELL!

      • DaveH

        They also swear to obey and protect the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. How high must one’s IQ be to figure that one out?

      • DaveH

        It’s time for the people in this country to wake up and figure out that since Lincoln’s days the leaders of this country have systematically subverted the Constitution to build their Power for their own self-interests. Jefferson warned about the inclination for Government to grow, and liberty to yield. But we apathetically ignored the warnings.
        Both the Welfare Statists, and the Military Statists, have been busily trampling the Constitution for their own self-aggrandizement. It is something Leaders have done throughout history — feather their own nests at the expense of the citizens.

        Let’s break the mold, and get this country back to the kind of Constitutionally limited Federal Government, and Liberty that our Founders (Jefferson, Madison, Washington, etc.) envisioned for us.
        Quit being led around by noses by self-interested Politicians. Put people in office who know that the only road to Prosperity and Peace is a Limited Government, whose only purpose should be to protect people from the force of others. Instead our Government has assumed the role of the Forcers.

        For Individual Liberty, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, Limited Government, and PEACE — Vote Libertarian!
        http://www.lp.org/platform

        • smilee

          i;d forgotten you were a Lincoln hater too!! LOL

          • DaveH

            Read the book, Smilee. Learn something. That is, if you want to learn.
            Lincoln thought your people should leave the country. And he didn’t want them in the yet-created Western States either. He played his followers like a fiddle, just like the Liberal leaders are playing you.
            http://mises.org/store/Lincoln-Unmasked-P324.aspx

          • DaveH

            By the way, Smilee, I was brainwashed too by the Government schools. The truth will set you free.

  • Deltaknight67

    You all don’t even want me to place my Opinion about this piece of trash now in the white House.Our country is in real trouble people.
    Delta

    “We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution.”
    ~Abraham Lincoln~

    Callin All The Clans Together
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lgbVYbc7-Y

    • DaveH

      It’s ironic that you post such a quote, since the man who made that statement was just another double-speaking politician who did more to subvert the intent of the Constitution than any other President.

      Read the book “Lincoln Unmasked” by Thomas DiLorenzo to learn the truth about “honest abe”, who was anything but honest.

      http://mises.org/store/Lincoln-Unmasked-P324.aspx

    • Jovianus

      Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Abraham Lincoln (1864)

  • Macawma

    OK, folks, let’s have at least enough respect for this American hero to get his name right! It is Lakin, not Larkin. And the whole principal of how he was treated by this corrupt administration is appalling. Obama could have at least produced a long form at the beginning of all this mess, fake or not, and this man would not have been imprisoned. The fact that our president would allow an honored soldier to be imprisoned because of his “secrecy” is disgusting. I am so afraid this 2$#%*^&* will be re-elected by the mindless masses…

    • Jovianus

      Let’s settle one thing..a soldier who wilfully disbeys an order based on a plitical issue which is far removed from his immediate circumstances is not a hero. Whatever his bravery shown when lead is flying, he is not a hero. To show any respect for this guy for disobeying that order is to do a huge disservice to our country, our rule by citizenry, and our US military men and women.

      If you show “respect” for this idiot for his wilfull disobeyance, what are you saying to those who do obey orders and who recognize the birther issue is a civilian issue, not a military one? You just dissed ‘em. That’s what you are telling them.

      • JC

        Lets settle one other thing…Jovi and its 5 other personalities are still statist idiots with no mind of their own.

        • Dan az

          JC
          Did you notice the misspelling to?This one is flash, know O’s is flashes problem.

      • DaveH

        Jovianus is just doing his usual supporting of the Political Class (of which he is most likely one).

      • azwayne

        We’ve settled it already, what’s your problem? When ANUS types skip it. There are some things worth reading, NOT ANUS.

        • Al Sieber

          You’re right azwayne, let’s boycott his posts, or ignore his ignorance.

  • Wayne937

    I feel some what like Louie does. How can something like this ever happen to a good military man like Colonel Laken. I will try to explain how I feel. This undoubtedly is one of the worse miscarriage of justice I have ever seen. Take a good man like Colonel Lakin and do this to him is, well, I can’t find a good decent word to define it so I’ll leave well enough alone. He served honorable in the military for all those years and to have this happen. Bob, I don’t know what can be done, but I feel every voter in this country should be made aware of this injustice, some how. We know that the Liberal ABC, NBC, CBS and the rest of the Liberal Bias stations will not report on this. They only want to protect the Liberal Idiot that they had worked so hard to put in office. I hope and pray that there is some one out there will make this public. Like I said every voter should have a chance to make up their own mind on this matter. My prayers go out to Colonel Lakin and his family.

  • Jeryl

    As a former soldier, I can tell you that military justice is normally pretty even-handed, except for such cases. Colonel Lakin made the mistake of believing that he would get a fair shake in such a case. The fix was in from the first. I don’t mean to sound cynical, but he should have known that from the start. The military, on a unit level, is very conservative. However, in the higher echelons, it is overtly political – always has been and always will be. He had no chance from the first, I’m sad to say.

  • http://n/a Anna M

    WHAT IS WRONG WITH US! WHAT IS WRONG WITH IMPEACHMENT? With this story just putting the frosting on the cake (as in Obama’s handling/dictating of what Israel must do), Impeachment is more than justified. In fact, IT IS OUR DUTY!!

    • The7hson

      Anna,
      Do you fully understand impeachment? In order to impeach Obama a few things are needed that just aren’t there.

      1. Evidence of high crimes or misdemeanors.

      2. A House of Representatives that has the will to impeach (I seriously doubt that the current House has the stones).

      3. A Senate willing to convict (being run by the Democrats, that AIN’T HAPPENING!)

      4. Time (any impeachment proceeding – even if fast-tracked – would take more time than that mook has left in office).

      Absent any one of these factors, impeachment would be an expensive and distracting waste of time and resources.

      People posting on these boards need to think before they type.

      • Wayne937

        I will never believe that Obama is qualified to serve as presiddent until, as I explained below, that his original birth certificate be given to an independent labe to analyze the ink on the original. This can be done, you know. If this would happen, then I would be fully convinced. Even before the current governor of Hawaii got elected to office, he had already make the statement that he was going to prove that Obama had a birth certificate and was serving lawfully. Shouldn’t Obama have done this? Why should the governmor have to do Obama’s job? Maybe this is my investigative skills coming out as that was the type of work I was involved with. To me, something is amiss here.

    • skippy

      I have to agree with you girl!!

    • Wayne937

      We don’t have enough people in Congress that has the guts to go anything about this injustice, Anna M. This is plain and simple. We need Congress to do what it right. Since they are not we should remove those, mostly Democrats, from office in 2012.

    • FredGF

      Are you sure you want Biden for President? What would be the difference between the two?

      • Dan az

        coke versus bourbon.

  • Kookie

    I am on Terry Lakin’s side. He was give a lawful order, but by an illegal president. Obama still has to show complete proof.

    • Carol

      I have a question. Exactly what “proof” would you (and the “Birther Movement people” accept, to shut up and go away. I suspect “none” would be the answer. People with closed minds are like that. If the poor woman had only known at the time, she could have had someone hang a flag in the delivery room… Had a newspaper (showing the date) taped to the wall… got a movie done of the delivery, and gotton a sworn (notorized) statement from the OBGYN – and some crazy would STILL have screamed it was a “fraud”. The man was chosen by the American People, get over it!!!
      We had to put up with 8 years of the Bush/Cheney regime, you can put up with a few more years of Obama. By the way, I’ve lived through a whole lot of presidents… I remember Ike well… and Obama is the first one I’ve ever seen promise to do something for the poor – and actually DO it!!! No, I’m not black… No, I’m not a Democrat… and Yes, I am an American! (And I can’t wait until my children – and their children – can actually go to a doctor when they need to!)
      Where were all of you “Patriots” when B/C, inc. were digging the hole that got this country into this mess. Probably in line with your hand out for the goodies. I’ll bet none of the “Birthers” make less that $150,000. a year, and they all have good insurance!!!

      • NotBlind

        Carol – what is your purpose here exactly?

        • azwayne

          AANUS went and found Carol, because he has been found out, needs more sheeple input. Carol, to be so blind is one thing, it’s too easy to learn FACTS today, you’re part of the illegal usurper’s propaganda army. whose i position is “Don’t worry if factual, get the numbers when we say and type something 10,000 times someone will believe us. That’s why they’re here. When someone can’t show a certified birth certificate from United States with citizen parents, and in one speech says as one born in Kenya and when more people in Kenya are excited about his stealing of election than Americans are, simple we’re sick of the liar in chief making such a shambles, of America, not just for us but our children and grandchildren all suffer, like we never imagined. Too cheap to buy CORSI’s book of proof, get someone to read it to you, pictures too, for the typical liberal.

          • Carlucci

            OMG – Carol – !! What the french, toast? What are you doing on this blog? Your rants sound like they belong on HuffPo.

            Okay – tell us the truth….were you recruited by jovi and the rest of the Romper Room bunch?

      • JC

        Patriots would like some evidence…any at all, that Obama is eligible.
        So far there are more questions than answers and if this Kenyan imposter had any “real” proof, we would have seen it by now.
        Everything about the man is a lie.

        • Jovianus

          JC..there have been more than a few suits filed in court about this. Not one has gotten a favorable ruling. So much for your stance. have a nice day whoever you decide to post under

          • JC

            You’re right eddie…the courts are corrupt beyond redemption too.
            have a nice day flash. ;)

        • smilee

          JC says:
          May 20, 2011 at 5:47 pm

          Anything or anybody you do not agree with is corrupt, stupid and a 100 or more other incorrect adjectives you use because you lack the intelligence to participate in honest discourse

          • Dan az

            Like they say smelly proof is in the pudding.I’ll show you mine after you show me yours!

          • JC

            Not really eddie…I just hold all you communist lefty pinkos in complete contempt. You should all hang yourselves and save us the trouble.
            Have a nice day Joviflashpastorgunnytwistedfreak….

      • Stan

        Carol, Are you even aware that Obama himself said after he was elected to the Illinois Senate that he was not bornin Hawaii, that he was born in Kenya? Hmmm…..

        He didn’t object when the AP stated that the Kenyan Born Obama was headed to the US Senate from Illinois.

        http://classic-web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

        Plain and simple Carol….. Obama is not a Natural Born US Citizen.

        • smilee

          Not true, quit reading those propaganda sites and seek the truth which propaganda sites never tell

      • DaveH

        So Carol says “I can’t wait until my children – and their children – can actually go to a doctor when they need to!)”

        I hope you’re very patient, Carol, because thanks to people like yourself, we will all have to wait much longer and pay much more for medical care after the Government gets even more involved than it already has been for the last 50 years.

        But then, you don’t care do you, as long as you think you will get what you want?

        • Dan az

          Dave
          I think carol is karolyn what do you think?

          • Jovianus

            It’s apparent you’re Dave H…what do you think?

          • Dan az

            Prove it.Just that simple!

          • DaveH

            This is interesting. Jovianus has talked about blogging from “his office”. Does he work for himself like so many of the board Liberals claim? If so, he sure isn’t a very good businessman, being on the Personal Liberty site all hours of the day. Or is he just a worker bee cheating his boss by messing around on Personal Liberty instead of doing an honest days work?
            Bob Livingston says Jovianus shares the same IP address with several different names. Most likely of course is that he’s a paid Obama operative here to disrupt the peaceful exchange of ideas amongst Freedom Lovers (he sure isn’t one). The Leaders don’t like people talking about how little we really need them.

      • OldNYFirefighter

        Carol, do you know what the definition of Natural Born Citizen is? To be a Natural Born Citizen, both parents of the child are required to be US Citizens & the child must be born in the USA or US Territory. Obama’s father, even according to his newest Birth Certificate, is a British Citizen & never has been a US Citizen. That makes Obama a Native Born Citizen – ineligible to be POTUS. He also had Dual Citizenship, British under his Father & US under his Mother if he was indeed born in Hawaii. If he was born in Kenya he isn’t a US Citizen because his Mother was too young to transfer her Citizenship to her son. Either or both facts make Obama ineligible to be POTUS. Look up S.R. 511. The US Senate made a Resolution verifying McCains eligibility to be a Candidate due to the fact that “BOTH PARENTS” were US Citizens & he was born on a Military Base in Panama. The key word is BOTH to be Natural Born & eligible. Unless this is enforced, the Constitution might just as well be used as toilet paper because it is irrelevant & void. Either follow it or rescind the Constitution & all it stands for. If Obama is not eligible he is in the Office illegally & is committing Treason & Fraud against the Constitution & US Citizens. FYI, the Office of POTUS & V.P. are the only Offices that require Natural Born Citizenship Status. All other’s require only Native Born or Naturalized Citizenship – born in the USA or Naturalized. Look it up, don’t take my word for it.

        • Ken

          Firefighter you are absolutely right. Further, it is not impeachment we are after, that would merely remove him from office. It is arrest which makes all done while he was in office concerning the office null and void.

          • smilee

            That cannot be done until you impeach and convict him in impeachment or until he is out of office. Nothing will ever be done as you would like because no prosecutor with a brain would touch this as in the end he would loose and be a laughing stock because those who know the law would know this would be a loosing undertaking

          • Dan az

            No smelly it would be called treason which BTW would be according to the umcj be the firing squad!

        • smilee

          and just where in the Constitution is that definition of natural born citizen?????????

      • JeffH

        Carol says: “and Obama is the first one I’ve ever seen promise to do something for the poor – and actually DO it!!! No, I’m not black… No, I’m not a Democrat… and Yes, I am an American! (And I can’t wait until my children – and their children – can actually go to a doctor when they need to!)”

        Gee, I have to wonder if you are on the government dole…live on government handouts because comment like that one indicate such.
        I suppose you’re happy that you don’t have to pay rent anymore too.

        • Thamera

          People like Carol are SOOOO incredibly CLUELESS! It is obvious they do not work “in the trenches” of welfare like I do. Yes, Jovi, I also do social work…and as it transitions into summer that is what I will be doing full time and I can tell you from first hand knowledge that the ONLY thing that Obama is doing for the poor is going to make it MORE difficult for them to get any kind of quality care or services. Right now, services are being cut and slashed and private charities and resources are shriveling because of this economy. I don’t know where karolyn went but she knows full well herself how “aid to the poor and “disadvantaged” is evaporating…and that is all thanks to OBAMA…Clueless dolts!

      • DaveH

        Notice that Carol said “No, I’m not black…”.
        What has that got to do with anything? It sounds like a racist remark to me.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        What BS are you wallowing in.
        Who is stopping you from going to a doctor? If you can’t afford one,go to any hospital’s ER, they have no choice but to see everybody who walks in.Go to any Medical School clinics, future doctors need patients to study on.
        If any of the posters make money it is none of your business how much.

    • JC

      Carol says:
      May 20, 2011 at 8:56 am
      I have a question. Exactly what “proof” would you (and the “Birther Movement people” accept, to shut up and go away. I suspect “none” would be the answer.
      __________________________________________________________________

      How about any proof at all? Because “none” is all we’ve seen so far.
      The Anti American son of Africa is a Communist Imposter and should be catapulted from the White House.

  • Don C. Hayward

    Mr. Lakin, as an educated Officer certainly was aware of the UCMJ being the controlling document regarding the refusal to deploy. I have donated to Mr. Lakin’s defense fund but still have reservations regarding the wisdom of the “choice” to put his career on the line when the system, UCMJ, is not exactly defense friendly. Mr. Lakin, may or may not have purity of motive regarding the desparity in his requirement to produce a BC but the fact is that unless the military has changed policy, the Certificate of Live Birth was all that was required of Mr. Lakin, as it was with a security clearance circa 1957-1961.

    • azwayne

      Col LAkin did the greatest thing he could for the safety of his country and his fellow mankind. What else could anyone ask. Yes, he was aware of risks. Thankfully he will be rewarded many fold, even if not by his incompetent government. We can only hope we don’t have to suffer much longer either.

  • Doc Sarvis

    It is too bad that Mr Lakin (and others) got taken in by the crazy stuff the birthers were peddleing. The conservative press/media gave the birthers WAY too much traction.

    • Wayne937

      I believe the birthers are still correct in their thinking, Doc Sarvis. or it would not have taken Obama over 2 years to obtain his birth certificate. I guess it took Obama that long to figure out how to it. When his man got elected to be governor of Hawaii, I guess this is when he finally had a chance to come up with a birth certificate. The onmly way I would ever believe that his birth certificate was legal is if an independent firm would take the original and check the ink for age. Why would he wait for 2 years to put somthing like this to rest. I doubt that you would. I know I wouldn’t. If he did this out of spite than what kind of a man does that make him? An inbecile in my mind.

      • Jovianus

        Well…it was shown Bush went AWOL during time of war, and therefore committed a felony. Thus ineligible to hold the office of POTUS. There was far more evidence which was direct, in writing, witnesses etc…but it was shoved under the rug. Then, when push came to shove, the military records were…”disappeared” and “incomplete”.

        What was your opinion on Bush’s cowardice in time of war? Do you think Bush was ineligible to hold the office of POTUS?

        Do you thinnk any military person had the right to refuse an order based upon his/her subjective political belief that Bush was a coward unfit to hold the office and ineligible to hold the office?

        • Dennis Patrick

          At least George W sorta showed up! Nobody says a word about “Deferment Dick” Cheney and his 5 deferments – odd after the screaming about Bill Clinton’s dodges.

          • eddie47d

            The “crickets” with Cheney’s 5 deferments is more proof that the righties are hypocrites. They are all emperors without any clothes.

          • JC

            eddie47d says:
            May 20, 2011 at 6:47 pm
            The “crickets” with Cheney’s 5 deferments is more proof that the righties are hypocrites. They are all emperors without any clothes.
            _________________________________________________________________
            Right! A couple of hundred million people are hypocrites because of one douche bag politician…
            And you consider yourself intelligent? LOL

        • ValDM

          Most of what you’re spouting is pure nonsense as it has been admitted by CBS news that they “cobbled” up that “supposed” news. But by all means……BLAME IT ON BUSH. How sad you can’t move on.

          • smilee

            The fact CBS did not have the proof does not prove their allegations where not true merely not provable unlike the birthers whom have proof he is born in the US but they deny it

          • JC

            smilee says:
            May 21, 2011 at 12:33 pm
            The fact CBS did not have the proof does not prove their allegations where not true merely not provable unlike the birthers whom have proof he is born in the US but they deny it
            ______________________________________________________
            Come on everybody sing along…you know the words…
            yes we can yes we can zeig heil zeig heil…

        • DaveH

          More equivocation from Jovianus. What else should we expect? Here is a reasoned treatment of the subject by an obviously unbiased person:
          http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2446/did-george-w-bush-go-awol-during-his-time-in-the-national-guard

        • azwayne

          Dig and scrape ANUS, you have no conscience, or beyond any description of stupid. Sarvis we recognize your slot with ANUS and CAROL. Volume of stupid doesn’t make it more believable.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Your assessment of volume may be correct considering the vast majority of posts on this site are heavily on the right.

          • JeffH

            Doc, you’re beginning to sound more and more like 47Stupid with every comment you make.

          • DaveH

            Doc,
            It doesn’t matter if they’re on the left or the right (or neither), if their words are true.
            Are you really a Doctor? You sure don’t seem that knowledgeable. Your comments rarely have any substance to them.

          • eddie47d

            At least I’m not Klan stupid like you are Jeff!Go crawl under your sheet and kiss your posterior good night.

          • JeffH

            …another meaningless and stupid comment from the one, the only…47Stupid!

          • Thamera

            “klan stupid” Eddie47? What does that even mean? That comment is just stupid in and of itself.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff knows exactly what I mean.

          • JC

            eddie47d says:
            May 21, 2011 at 7:49 pm
            Jeff knows exactly what I mean.
            _______________________________________________
            I don’t think your psychiatrist could even figure that one out eddiejoviflashgunnypastordenniso….
            Maybe lay off the scotch while your on so many meds.

            Nah what the hell, go for it! ;)

      • Penny F.

        Amen! I needed my birth certificate not too long ago, I had it in 24 hrs. I live in California, born in Minnesota, paid $60.00 and I had it next day….So, taking 2yrs. and 2 million dollars later- I do not believe a word obama says.

        • Doc Sarvis

          I kinda think President Obama has had slightly more important things to deal with than establishing and already established fact. I am sure if he had spent a lot of time on this issue (as so many conservatives have) he would have been widly criticized for not paying attention to our country’s Important problems.

          As for the $2 million; he has a legal fund as all presidents and presidential candidates have. Does that mean he has spent it in some sort of legal effort regarding this issue – No.

          • JC

            Doc Sarvis says:

            May 20, 2011 at 9:35 am

            I kinda think President Obama has had slightly more important things to deal with than establishing and already established fact.
            ___________________________________________________________________

            Like destroying the country?

          • Doc Sarvis

            JC
            No, actually this President is focused on trying to improve our economy, improve our standing in the world, improve our ability to surpress our enemy, improve the lot of our most down-trodden, improve our ability to address health issues for all citizens, improve our country’s infrastructure, and improve our energy policy among other things.

          • Thamera

            just have to say to Doc: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

          • Dan az

            That’s a good one Doc keep them coming I need a good laugh today!Yuuu sooo funny.

          • JAY L IN COLORADO

            Right about that Doc
            He probably would miss his Tee Time. That’s about all.
            Now he is really doing important thigs, such as screwing Isreal over for his Arab cronies.

          • DaveH

            Doc,
            Do you really believe that, or are you really just an operative for the Democrat Political Class?

          • DaveH

            “improve our standing in the world”? By launching murderous attacks on a country (Libya) that has in no way attacked us?
            “improve the lot of our most down-trodden, improve our ability to address health issues for all citizens, improve our country’s infrastructure”? By stealing money from the producer’s and giving it to the non-producers? You honestly think the producers are going to produce more when their money is taken, and that the non-producers are going to become more productive when they are given other peoples’ money? Castro promised his citizens much the same thing. How’s that working out for them?
            “improve our energy policy among other things”? Improve our energy policy by stifling our energy producers every way he can? Are you joking, Doc? Is this your way of stand-up comedy?

          • JeffH

            JC, you hit the nail on the head…again, and beat me to the punch. Good job!

          • JC

            Doc Sarvis says:
            May 20, 2011 at 10:28 am
            JC
            No, actually this President is focused on trying to improve our economy, improve our standing in the world
            ______________________________________________________________

            By spending us into oblivion and waging a campaign on our Constitution like no one else in history?
            My God, but you are a stupid man.

  • Wayne937

    I might add one more item. Justice can never be served when we lose our faith in our courts and the journalism in this country is untrustworthy. I thought that the news agencies were only to report the news, and not take side with either party. I feel that most of the American Electorate are smart enough to draw their own conclusion when the news is presented accurately.

    • smilee

      Like NEWSMAX, Too popular for our own good. They pass themselves off as a news source but are nothing more than a propaganda tool and we have too many like this today and websites doing the same thing and sadly some peoples biases are no blatant that they actually believe this garbage like DAVEH who reads many of these and his posts reflect and often refer you to them. Sorry davy as you are not alone on here doing that but my favorite to pick on

      • DaveH

        You lie, Smilee! How unusual, a lying Liberal. Matter of fact I rarely read Newsmax, because they are too right-wing for me. I don’t like pushy, controlling people on either side of the aisle. But at least those on the right aren’t helping themselves to my money.

      • DaveH

        And Smilee, it might bother me if somebody with integrity picked on me. But, it doesn’t bother me at all for you to try, because the regulars know you don’t have integrity. Imagine that, a person who advocates for the Party of Thieves doesn’t have integrity. Who would’ve thunk it?

  • DavidL

    Chip,
    Your article is misinformed, erroneous, and mostly irrelevant.

    1. He was ordered to deploy.

    2. He refused to deploy.

    3. He pled guilty to disobeying a lawful order, and is paying the
    price.

    4. Your spin that “Asking a question about your Commander in Chief became disobedience of a lawful order” is, once again, a self-serving partisan shot.

    5. Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the only time a soldier may disobey an order is when that solder believes the order is unlawful.

    6. An order which is unlawful not only does not need to be obeyed, but obeying such an order can result in criminal prosecution of the one who obeys it. Military courts have long held that military members are accountable for their actions even while following orders

    7. I guarantee you, and the readers of this site, that if President Bush were in office and a solder refused to deploy because he had a question about the “birth” of the President, you would be ranting a raving about how light a sentence he received.

    8. Are you capable of being non-partisan and objective?

    • JC

      Like him or not, Bush was an American which is where your whole analysis falls flat on its face.

  • B.Holmes

    As of May 20, Obummer has only submitted his “Certificate of Live Birth”, with its title clearly appearing at the top. They probably dont’t even provide birth certificates in Kenya. How did he get a “certificate of live birth” from Hawaii? The same way he got through American schools…money and affirmative action. We must turn to God. We are all in “over our heads”.

  • David

    When a lawful order is given in the military, no time for philosophy.
    I agree with his thoughts , but not his actions. And I bet he agrees with me.

    • DavidL

      I even agree with you somewhat. It’s not a question of philosophy, it’s a question of understanding the rules of the military, the rules of engagement, and knowing your conscience.

  • TonyD

    Did Lt. Col. Lakin disobey a direct order. Yes or no?
    That is the only issue here.
    If the answer is yes, then 6 months was a light sentence.
    As an officer he knew this.
    Hopefully he will be able to launch his political career, as that has to be the motivational factor behind his actions.

  • Insurgent

    In scanning the articles, I do not see where the truth on Buckwheat’s birth certificate is even mentioned. The copy that was released by the press is an electronically altered document, but the real birth certificate is in a hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. According to the US Constitution, Buckwheat is NOT qualified to be living in DC gubmint housing. His being there shows the magnitude of corruption of the political system in the United States. It is a prime example of what wealth, power, and greed can do, regardless of how many people it hurts.

  • Robert Hauser

    For the most of my life, I have believed that by far the worst and the most numerous enemies of the Constitutional Republic we were once given and have long since lost, were throughout and remain right here on American soil and within our seaboards….not “over there”. Not that we don’t have those inimical to our national survival across the pond but they are universally of our own manufacture—-such as Osama bin Laden who has already been dead for at least 10 years and has “been found dead” or “been killed in a daringly executed raid” or “offed by an assassin” at least five times now.

    It is good to see the term “sociopath” being used more frequently and freely now in discussions of the current so called “American” psych as it has been found and thoroughly documented that fully 4% of the people loose on the streets of this country are in fact bona fide and clinically confirmable sociopaths like George Soros….and another 15% what are known as “borderline”; and where do we find these bottom feeding wretches concentrated like radioactive iodine in the thyroid? In public high office and in corporate boardrooms, that is where and this is why I get such a yuck out of these teabaggers and drum-and-fife types and their droning mantra of “less government, more free enterprise”—-the hoax calling itself the “federal reserve bank” which has ruthlessly prostrated this country and put its entire working class population into bonded slavery and which is a foreign owned for-profit credit cartel and not a “bank” in any legal sense of the term, is a classic example of “free enterprise gone mutant. And the issue is far more one of quality and not quantity: yes, I will grant that there is grossly too much government intruding into our lives to the point of an obscenity, but the real concern is what KIND of government? It is at this time the single most vile on earth: I could dump anyone out of a plane in California’s airspace and where they hit the ground would never be further than fifty miles from a major penal institution—-whereof there are more just within California’s borders than existed in the USSR at the lowest and darkest period of its squalid existence. America is in fact quite sociopath ridden whether in the maggot infested boardrooms of Wall Street or the hallowed halls of congress and until this abject human filth is completely fumigated out of our lives, no one reading this will ever live to once again draw and enjoy so much as one free breath in this country nor upon the globe that we have dragged under with us.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    Question when Trump was still thinking of running for President.He allegedly had a TEAM of investigators in Hawaii.In an interview Trump stated the investigators were uncovering many interesting facts.What facts, were is the great revelation? The story sounds a little fishy; where was Fox,Rush,etc,etc when this was taking place?I’ve received emails from the left side in America when one of there Military types refuses to deploy and it’s been in the main stream media. How come no out cry from the right till after the fact.

    Last thing in my military carrier I was deployed a couple of times I never had to produce a birth certificate except once and that was to obtain a military passport for a deployment to a country that will remain unnamed

    Last Last thing if you disobey a lawful order your reason had better be stronger then some BS about a birth certificate

    • Nadzieja Batki

      A lot of things and a lot of laws have been changed since the Vietnam era. Do you realize how many new regs have been adapted in those years?

  • Maurice McGleish

    LTC Lakin was tried by Courts Martial, not in a court of justice. Having served 24 years in the military – most of it in the legal system – we had a saying that MILITARY and JUSTICE was an oxymoron.
    Lakin’s actions notwithstanding, watch out for Obama who’s on a fast track to becoming this country’s version of Hugo Chevez. Obama has no intention of leaving the White House – EVER!!

    • Wayne937

      Good golly, you just ruined my day, Maurice. What you said was a dismal thought. I hope that we can find enough sensible people to vote against this man in 2012. If not, we are surely in trouble.

      • Insurgent

        Apparently, you still feel that our votes count and that elections are not rigged.

      • Mick

        Wayne,,

        I voted against him the first time I had a pretty good idea about what he meant about the change he was talking about and certainly will not vote for him the second time around the ” Union of American Socialist Republic ” versus USA doesn’t agree with me one bit…..

        • Jovianus

          Mick..your opinion doesn’t count with these folks. You’re me..remember?

          • JeffH

            Jovi-commie, there’s only “ONE” you. Faker!

          • eddie47d

            Time to press your sheets you big phony. You get more disgusting by the day with your cheap comments. What a bitter old man!

          • JeffH

            47Stupid, the Parrot, has spoken again…Polly want a cracker? bbaaarrraaaccckkk!

          • Mick

            Jovianus says:
            May 20, 2011 at 12:23 pm
            Mick..your opinion doesn’t count with these folks. You’re me..remember?

            >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
            Jovianus ,,,
            What I remember is some Folks biting at the first thing they read just because Bob posted it and without a second thought or any other proof decided it must be true and some other folks no quite as quick to judge telling me to keep posting,so here I am.
            As for me being you ” when pigs fly “! I happened to cherish our old American values that made America the best country in the world..

          • Dan az

            YO Anus
            If you missed it there was another mick here posing as our mick which I always felt was smelly taking her name.But you flash and all of your change in names its obvious to all here why your still here.Loser!

          • eddie47d

            Is your sheet too tight Jeff!

  • Tony Rozycki

    Chip Wood… cool name!

    • Wayne937

      Tony, we don’t need idiots reporting here. We need some one who can carry on a decent dialogue without being insulting to anyone.

  • Robert

    what i think is congress is woefully involved in the cover up is what i think. i think they’re covering it up because it is so bad that congress believes the constitutional implications would cause a total fracture and elimination of the federal government due to the ineptitude and so they’re playing ignorance and good ole boy back slapping and we’re doing this for the good-of-the-country ideals. when people check the facts and merits of this obama ineligibility for the office of president of the united states, they find so many unanswered questions. i have yet to hear of any t.v. station airing the actual facts or discussion of the facts and merits by white house reps/speakers/leaders. that’s because when they actually look into it, they know and they’re scared…

    • Wayne937

      Robert, I think they are scared on the anointed one. What else could it be?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The anointed one is going to come out squeeky clean in spite of all the lies that he has told. His minnions will do the dirty work.

    • azwayne

      You’re getting to the REAL problem SOROS, PRESIDENT, MANY IN CONGRESS all ONE connection:Bilderberg Group. Yes they ALL have one goal. They have gained considerably, and when cult followers keep up the distractions that’s the plan. Spend some time study and research a little, now you can pinpoint the REAL ENEMY. We keep talking about one little branch at a time. I’m ready to chop the tree down.

  • http://internetexplorer shirley

    I can’t believe our armforses could do a wonderful American soldier this way and believe a lying thing like Barack Obama

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Better believe it.

  • hs

    It is my understanding that the military make an OATH to defend the Constitution FIRST and ABOVE ALL. Hope the military will continue to do that when the DICTATOR IN CHIEF makes his final strike to collapse capitalism and remain in power indefinitely to “save the country” and because that is “what people wants”. I have to say this, when you live in foreign countries where dictatorships is all in a day’s work you appreciate the freedom in the USA. I don’t think the American people realize what is coming down to them and let me tell you, it is just around the corner…

  • Liberty

    Maybe George Soros is afraid of Donald Trump? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm…..just a thought.

  • C. M. Tuten (almedadrtuten)

    The oath of an officer is different from an enlisted person. An officer swares to protect the country and uphold the constitution. No oath to protect the President or uphold his views. The oath of the enlisted personel includes obeying and protecting the President. Obama and his ilk are the ones that should be serving life in Ft. Leavenworth

  • Tom SC

    Col. Lakin, I don’t accept the great pretender or his BC. Everything he says or does is BS. I am a Korean era vet. and I sir stand and salute you. I admire your courage under fire especially with the odds stacked against you. May God bless you……..

  • Russ

    He was sent to Leavenworth for refusing–conditions notwithstanding–to comply with an order to deploy. That is what he was sent to Leavenworth for. In current times, it is becoming more and more common for people to say, “I’m not going to do what I’m supposed to do until ____ (fill in the blank) starts doing what he/she is supposed to do.” If we allow the actions of others to determine our own, we are actually dignifying the actions of those others in a most unintentional–yet bona fide–way. “Civil disobedience” can get you thrown in jail. Violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) gets you a stay at taxpayer expense in “Hotel Leavenworth”. It did long before Obama was even born, and it still does!

    • Wayne937

      Russ, why did this only happen under the Obama Administration? He had all those years in the service, and served honorably. Why didn’t this happen under the Clinton, or Bush Administration? It is because he knew they there was not any question as to them being true American Citizens when becoming the president.

  • Maryland FreeStater

    Well, something Asimov may’ve termed a ‘zeroth’ axiom: if the Colonel had to show his Birth Certificate, then why didn’t the “Commander in Chief”? If indeed Otraitor is CinC, isn’t he ALSO subject to the UCMJ? HE SHOULD BE!

    I truly hope the first thing our next President does is bring Otraitor up on charges, throw his a$$ in a stockade (hopefully in Gitmo!)and stage a purge of these TRAITORS from the Government!

    The ‘CinC’ has not one shrwed of honor and is selling our country out. Isn’t this treasonous behavior? Maybe Netanyahu will have fisticuffs with him over the latest stupidities oozing out of his mouth…

    • Wayne937

      Maryland, haven’t you heard yet? Congress has abdicated their powers and made Obama the diotator. They did not have the guts to show Obama who was the boss so Obama is now free to do what ever he wish to do.

  • Dennis Patrick

    Let’s look at what that leftie MSM ultra liberal commie rag STARS AND STRIPES had to say:

    http://www.stripes.com/news/birther-sentenced-to-six-months-in-prison-kicked-out-of-army-1.128924

    Just hours after being found guilty at his court-martial, Army Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin said he was ashamed and remorseful over his decision to refuse deployment to Afghanistan earlier this year, but he hedged on questions about President Barack Obama’s citizenship.

    “I don’t want [my career] to end this way,” a tearful Lakin said to military jurors during the sentencing phase of his trial Wednesday afternoon. “I want to continue to serve … It crushed me not to be on deployment. I can be on a plane tomorrow. I’d truly do that.”

    [...]

    In April, Lakin posted an online video declaring he would not return to Afghanistan with his unit until questions regarding Obama’s birth certificate were answered to his satisfaction. The move made him an instant hero to the birther movement, which helped him raise money for his legal defense.

    Obama was born in Hawaii, but questions about his parents and overseas upbringing were raised during his 2008 presidential campaign. Hawaiian officials that year verified the existence of his birth certificate, addressing those issues for all but a fringe group that insists that the president is not legally qualified to serve in the White House.

    As part of their sentencing evidence, prosecutors played Lakin’s video for the jury. In it, he states that a president who is not a natural-born citizen “would subvert law and truth” and demands that Obama “release your original, signed birth certificate — if you have one.”

    During an hour of unsworn testimony, Lakin called that video an embarrassing mistake, brought on by pressure and poor advice from supposed supporters.

    “I would not do this again,” he said. “It was a confusing time for me, and I was very emotional. I thought I was choosing the right path, and I did not.”

    [...]

    He told the jury he would do anything to salvage his Army career.

    “I thought this was such an important question that I had to get an answer,” he said. “I thought I was upholding the Army values by questioning this … but I was wrong.”

    • BrotherPatriot

      All of this from Mr. Lakin AFTER they crushed his will through intimidation and imprisonment. Trust me…that has a HEAVY effect upon you.

      They also prevented him from having a proper defence or gaining discovery. The people who made the decision and who incarcerated Mr. Lakin are the same people who he was questioning. THAT is at the ROOT level of this equation. Of course Mr. Lakin would not get a fair hearing from such a kangaroo court. Great harm was done to us all when they were “allowed” to get away with such a farce of a trial.

      If you believe that he disregarded a lawful order and that’s the basic issue…then you are sadly mistaken. The ROOT level is that it was NOT a lawful order because Obama is not a LAWFUL President. He may be propped up at this time and in that position…Geore Soros’ $$$ (and others) goes a very long way…but there are far to many “holes” about him when you begin to investigate down deeper.

      Read…The Post American President, The Manchurian President, Where’s the Birth Certificate (Jerome Corsi’s new book) just to name if you want to know more about the Obama equation.

      If you want to learn more about the ENTIRE equation then read, Brotherhood of Darkness by Dr. Stanley Montieth.

      Facts are facts.

      God Bless Mr. Terry Lakin and may America show some more stones by having his valor replicated by many more like him. Perhaps we’ll shake the equation hard enough to wake up all the sleepers & koolaid drinkers out there.

      Things…are not they way they seem.

      Yol-Bolsun.

      • Kate8

        BrotherPatriot – No one ever seems to mention that, not only is Obama an unlawful POTUS, but he’s committed repeated fraud against the people of America. He has deliberately, and with malice of forethought, put forth several fraudulent birth documents now, after defying requests for over two years, and no one seems bothered by this.

        Lakin goes to prison for standing up for his country, and Obama gets a pass for committing high crimes and treachery.

        chuckb posted this link on the other thread. It has some additional information not included in other reports.

        http://beforeitsnews.com/story/76/526/Proof_Positive:_Documents_Showing_Obama_Was_Born_In_Kenya,_Africa.html

        You have to scroll way down to get to the articles. Stunning.

  • http://(n/a) Marv

    What a LOT of people DO NOT understand – and I am NOT certain that this is ALSO true in Hawaii – is that a Certificate of Live Birth is a SECONDARY DOCUMENT in many States ! Just NOT SURE if this applies in Hawaii : A BIRTH-CERTIFICATE is issued for a BIRTH that happens INSIDE a Hospital , with an attending Doctor ; A CERTIFICATE-OF-LIVE-BIRTH is issued for a birth occuring OUTSIDE a Hospital , without a Physician Attending : like a TAXI-CAB Birth ; or a FOREIGN BIRTH to an AMERICAN CITIZEN MOTHER, when she returns to Native Soil ! The CERTIFICATE -OF-LIVE-BIRTH is DOCUMENTED at a HOSPITAL , after the Mother & CHILD are examined at a Facility that Otherwise would Issue a BIRTH-CERTIFICATE !

    The ONLY important thing is : An AMERICAN MOTHER giving Birth outside of AMERICA , still gives Birth to an AMERICAN CITIZEN ! BUT, that MUST be C-E-R-T-I-F-I-E-D ; a-la Certificate of Live BIRTH !

    The NEXT important thing : IF Barack was “POST-CERTIFIED” , which is TOTALLY LEGAL( ! ) ; then what is all the CRAP ALL ABOUT ???

    WELL , simply put …. WHERE WAS HIS MOTHER TRAVELING ???

    AND THAT IS THE RUB !
    Barack has been able to HIDE HIS ENTIRE LIFE !

    HELL – even here in ILLINOIS , the only PROOF we have of his
    participation in the ILLINOIS SENATE,
    besides Governor Rod’d on-going trial,
    is his ENDLESS NON-VOTING-RECORD of “present” !
    HE NEVER TOOK A STAND ON ANYTHING IN SPRINGFIELD !

    Just like he seems unable to come up with anything
    in Washington DC – without it being George Bush’s idea FIRST !

    LATER !
    ///MRB

  • jopa

    Wayne at the very top of the page you are right on the money with your answer.Very well said.

  • http://YAHOO NAM67

    nobama should be arrested & impeached for questioning the american people.

  • Dennis M. Ellis

    Glenn Beck spent a major portion of his (DAILY) FOX TV broadcast, exposing George Soros and all of the organizations he (SOROS) has created and controls. What Glenn Beck was doing (to Soros) was the equivalent of lifting a rock, shining a light, as the cockroaches scurried back into the dark.

    George Soros sent a emissary to meet with Glenn Beck, to try and intimidate Beck into ceasing and desisting from reporting the truth about George Soros. It didn’t work and Glenn Beck accelerated his exposure (of SOROS)of the number one threat to the safety and security of AMERICA AND WE THE PEOPLE!

    George Soros’s plans to destroy AMERICA have crashed into a solid wall of TRUTH as reported by Glenn Beck and now by Steve Kroft of CBS. More and more AMERICANS are waking up to the fact that Soros has been conducting a WAR(in secret) against AMERICA.

    Americans now know that George Soros is behind the anti-American (daily) slander that the main-stream-media (ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, NPR & PBS)participates in. And why not? Soros owns them, just as he owns the democRATs. AMERICANS know that they can’t trust the old broadcast main-steam-media. The good news is FOX NEWS!

    75% of AMERICANS are now watching FOX NEWS and ignoring Soros’s anti-American media. Now AMERICANS are getting fair and balanced news. Now AMERICANS are hearing the truth and now AMERICANS have reduced or stopped donating money to George Soros’s anti-American organizations.

    AMERICANS now know that George Soros is the power behind the presidency and that Obama is merely a puppet. All of the brainless, anti-American bills that the democRATS have passed and rammed down the AMERICAN peoples throats; were written by George Soros and his fellow communists. The 2,700 page health care bill was written years ago, is the best example. And let us not forget the 40 – 50 CZARS that (were never confirmed by the senate) that do George Soros’s bidding, not Obama’s.

    The truth is that George Soros is an old NAZI who should be indicted for war crimes against humanity! All of Soros’s wealth should be confiscated to compensate the Jewish survivors of the holocaust that George Soros helped to create! Steve Kroft’s 60 minute interview is an indictment of George Soros’s past behavior. The only thing twisted regarding George Soros is HIS mentality, behavior and soul!

    The single most immediate threat to the safety and security of AMERICA and her people is George Soros. Where is the Navy Seal Team Six when you need them?

    • Dennis Patrick

      Re: “All of Soros’s wealth should be confiscated to compensate the Jewish survivors of the holocaust that George Soros helped to create”

      Once again – tell me: how does a 14 year old boy “help[] create” the holocaust?

      • NotBlind

        He participates.

        • Dennis Patrick

          No evidence – just an invention from Mr. Ann Coulter. Calling him a “collaborator” is a ludicrous exaggeration — but then, it’s Mr. Ann Coulter and the World Nut Daily, so it’s pretty much par for the course. WND probably have called Simon Wiesenthal a Nazi collaborator if he’d written a check to the Democratic Party at some point.

          That liar and lunatic Glenn Beck also claimed that Soros helped “send the Jews” to “death camps” and that Soros “saw people into gas chambers.”

          The Anti-Defamation League issued a statement calling the accusation — specifically the intent to “hold a young boy responsible for what was going on around him during the Holocaust as part of a larger effort to denigrate the man” — “horrific” and “repugnant,” along with “inappropriate,” “offensive” and “over the top.” The head of the American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors and Their Descendants, Elan Steinberg, called the description — particularly the made-up part about “helping send the Jews to the death camps” — “a particularly monstrous lie.”

          How come none of these people investigate the Bush family’s ties to the Nazis?

          • Thamera

            Dennis you hateful little man….Soros unapologetically admitted his participation against his fellow Jew in more than one interview. Unless you care to suggest that those videos are doctored, you are the fool.

          • Dan az

            Dennis it is obvious where your pay check comes from.One of the many business that georgy owns.So with all that, why cant you back up what you say with proof? Be a good little brown shirt and ask your master for it.Then come back here and show us some proof.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            14 year olds were considered men during WWII. It is only in our time period that they are considered children. You would be surprised at the atrocities that were committed by “children”.

          • JeffH

            DP, this is fact: George Soros, as a teenager, was helping real Nazis ,by pointing out the jews to confiscate the real property of real, about-to-be-“exterminated” Jews in his native Budapest, Hungary. That is a fact that Soros has never denied.

          • eddie47d

            Dennis Patrick. That’s always different. Don’t ever expect an answer to your question. It isn’t going to happen. Another thing most Jewish organizations don’t blame Soros so this is just political hay from the right wingers. Not a one of these slanderers is even Jewish.

          • JeffH

            …ahhhhh 47Stupid…it is a well known fact though, no matter whether the “Jews” placs the blame on Soros or not.

          • Thamera

            You sure claim to know an awful lot about the people on this board Eddie..how can you possibly divine what race, ethnicity or religion someone is? As for slanderers, have you done any of your own research of the man that you presume to hold in such high esteem, meaning SOROS? Perhaps one of the most evil men in the entire world and you defend him…that is really something. As for the Hitler Youth are you actually so ignorant as to say they didn’t exist? Are you blind to the violent youth of today who at 14 can commit a criminal offense with such callousness that it frightens even the “adults” having to work with them? Some of the most heinous crimes have been committed at the hands of “children” why is it so hard to believe that of Soros especially when the man has admitted it his involvement in the holocaust without remorse instead saying that he was “smart” in his actions and takes pride in his “self-preservation” skills. This is a man that you should be afraid of and instead you come to his defense…wow.

          • eddie47d

            Alot of people do alot of things for self preservation and they aren’t always nice. I don’t consider A 14 year old overly tactful or educated to the ways of the world.

          • JC

            Dennis Patrick says:
            May 20, 2011 at 10:48 am
            No evidence – just an invention from Mr. Ann Coulter. Calling him a “collaborator” is a ludicrous exaggeration — but then, it’s Mr. Ann Coulter and the World Nut Daily, so it’s pretty much par for the course. WND probably have called Simon Wiesenthal a Nazi collaborator if he’d written a check to the Democratic Party at some point.
            _____________________________________________________________________
            And that would make sense too because “everybody” who wrote a check to the “Democratic” party actually is a Nazi Collaborator.

          • eddie47d

            JC;You are one sick SOB

    • NotBlind

      Under Obama’s thumb.

  • http://none john eastin

    Now this presidential simulator is telling the world that “we” want the Jews to go back to the 76 boundry,,,,who is he speaking for???? Will we ever get back to an American President and send this Muslim back to where ever he came from? I blame Pelosi, Reed, and Obama Bin Lauden for the world situation. I do hope Soros will drop his demand on Obama and let him just leave!

  • Billy Cooper

    SOFOLKS WHAT DOES SENDING A LIVE BODY TO HAWAII TO PICKUP A “BOGUS” BIRTH CERTIFICATE PROVE? NOT ONE THING. THAT PIECE OF PAPER IS A PHONY AS THE “PHONY ” IN THE WHITE HOUSE. AND I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE “FIRST DOG” EITHER. ITS ALL A SCAM FOLKS, ALL AMERICANS HAVE BEEN SCAMMED. LIES, LIES, AND MORE LIES. BUT I HAVE TO ADMIRE COL LAKIN. HE IS THE ONLY PERSON WITH “COJONES” BUT HE DID PAY A VERY HEAVY PRICE FOR “STANDING TALL” GOD BLESS HIM AND HIS FAMILY. ONE DAY THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT. AND COL. LAKIN WILL BE RIGHT ALL ALONG.

    • BrotherPatriot

      True story there. I hope one day we are able to help “make it up” to Mr. Lakin.

      He is a true American Hero. A patriot…a good man.

      God Bless Lt. Col. Terry Lakin.

      • Dan az

        BP
        I think he should write a book and all of us and the rest of the nation buy it to show our gratitude.They cant suppress it for ever!

        • BrotherPatriot

          Dan…agreed. However, Terry is under a muzzle for awhile and not allowed to speak about his situation. Once he’s freed up to speak out openly & perhaps run for office…I’ll be buying whatever book he puts out and supporting him in any endeavor so long as his honor is intact and he’s still the same man who they forced into prison.

          We have yet to see how this whole ordeal is truely effected him.

          God bless him and may he heal properly & come back whole to us.

    • smilee

      Show us the proof that his birth certificate is bogus or a fake. Many keep saying that but not once has anyone of them shown anything that it is anything but legitimate. Your post is most revealing of your hatred of this man but reveals nothing that is true or factual

      • JC

        It isn’t hatred, it’s contempt. And it is a contempt equal to the contempt the Kenyan imposter has for the United States.
        Absolutely everything about him is a lie.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    What he did to Col. Lakin could have been handled early on by releasing a good birth certificate but no, he waits to the day before his release to even respond in any way. Col. Lakin would be the example to all others that might question the legitimacy of any unlawful order in the future. Having said that, what he did yesterday by selling out Israel and the United States makes this pale in comparison. He gave an invitation to those we are now fighting to come against Israel unless our troops refuse the unlawful order being given to them. When they come back, a horde will come to wipe Israel off the map The Lord will intervene and protect His Chosen people and the armies from many nations will be defeated. As I see it in scripture, the nukes will then be unleashed at the great satan (USA); as what they consider the little satan will be defended by Our Lord and God. True security can only found on the solid rock that is Jesus.

  • H. Kirk Rainer

    Responding to the statement (of the article) “…but this isn’t a system of justice…”

    Consider the civilian system of justice–where some 90% or more of criminal cases never go to trial–or even a hearing–before a decision.

    The plea bargain has replaced much of the trial process wtih self-incrimination (contrary to the 5th and 14th amendments) instead of due process. The objective is to convict!

  • http://n/a John Beach

    The basic issue is one of legality. The purpose of the military is to restore the rule of law where the rule of law is not the rule of law, contemporarily, Iraq and Afghanistan, are examples of this purpose being fulfilled. Whatever reason the POTUS had for allowing the controversy over his birthplace to fester to the point where sane and respected persons do seemingly inane things to establish a fact or prove deceit, a lawyer, in search of or in support of the truth, would present indisputable evidence, especially where the fundamental basis for authority to act in a given capacity is dependent on it. Election and the rule of the majority can NOT be the qualifying factor of a person who is not fundamentally, legally qualified to hold an office, in this instance conforming to a Constitutional requirement that a person be a natural-born citizen of the United States in order to hold the office of President. Whatever purpose is serving the POTUS for having handled this issue in the manner which he has, it presents some issue of “mental reservation” and represents some “purpose of evasion” that is not comprehensible to many Americans, but which is apparently known to him and which certainly calls into question by many Americans an issue with the fundamental rule of law. If one is not legal, one does not have the right to exercise executive privilege. Is executive privilege the right to do away with the fundamentals of law? While this may be change in which we can believe, it is probably not change we really want.

  • Aniko

    If our soldiers were ordered to shoot demonstrators on the street in, let’s say in Washington DC, are they suppose to obey that order too, just because the Commander-in-Chief ordered it? There is something VERY wrong in that kind of thinking.

    • NotBlind

      Thank you Aniko. I thought I was the only one seeing a problem with anyone in the military following orders without a thought as to whether they were right or wrong, good or evil. How insane would that be?

      Obama said from the beginning, that what he needed was his own private military force. Great, and now he is building one. How do you think that is eventually going to play out? Talk about a Hitler reenactment…

    • Wayne937

      Yes! I agree with your post, Aniko.

    • Wayne937

      Aniko, only Zombies would react to carry out an unlawful order. God gave us a brain to think rational. When we let some fool, regardless who they are, make us give up that rational thought, then they can be prosecuted. Look at what is happening right today over in Libya. Kaddafi had ordered his troops to shoot civilians, and now there is a warrant out for his arrest. As you can see a president cannot give an unlawful order. Any member of his military that shot any civilians could also be prosecuted on this if it could be proven.

  • Keith

    Simple questions… Ralph works for Bob. Bob works for the people. We do not know which party either belongs to. We no not know their race or nationality. Bob needs to meet certain requirements to be hired by the people. Some how Bob gets hired with out producing proof he has met all requirements. A large number of the people start to question Bob. Bob doesn’t feel he has to answer since he believes he is the peoples’ boss when in fact it’s the other way around. Bob then requires Ralph to show same proof to Bob even though Bob never showed the people. Ralph then stands up for himself and what he believes in. Actually he is standing up for the people. Ralph gets fired, jailed, loses his benefits, loses the dignity he gained over the years by working for Bob, John, Randal, Mark (Bob’s predecessors) and the people. Bob basically says “don’t mess with me” to the people and continues being the peoples boss even though the people hired him. What’s fair? Would this be fair if this happened at IBM? What if these men worked at Ford. What if this was the police chief and mayor of your local town? How about your child’s school teacher and principal? What if this was a military officer and the Commander in Chief? Does it matter? Who should have more dignity? Who has more of a duty to stand up for others, for the people, for us? If a corrupt governor writes law into the books, should we question that law? CAN we question law without being fearful of losing our rights, losing our freedom, losing our lives? Will the people ever see the truth? Doing the “right” thing doesn’t not always mean doing what we are told.

  • Dennis M. Ellis

    Incredible! FRAUD AND WASTE!
    These are all the programs (55) that the new Republican House has proposed cutting. Read to the end.

    Corporation for Public Broadcasting Subsidy. $445 million annual
    savings.

    Save America ‘S Treasures Program. $25 million annual savings.
    International Fund for Ireland . $17 million annual savings.
    Legal Services Corporation. $420 million annual savings.
    National Endowment for the Arts. $167.5 million annual savings.
    National Endowment for the Humanities. $167.5 million annual savings.

    Hope VI Program.. $250 million annual savings.
    Amtrak Subsidies. $1.565 billion annual savings.

    Eliminate duplicative education programs. H. R. 2274 (in last
    Congress), authored by Rep. McKeon, eliminates 68 at a savings of
    $1.3 billion annually.

    U.S. Trade Development Agency. $55 million annual savings.

    Woodrow Wilson Center Subsidy. $20 million annual savings.

    Cut in half funding for congressional printing and binding. $47 million annual savings.

    John C. Stennis Center Subsidy. $430,000 annual savings.
    Community Development Fund. $4.5 billion annual savings.
    Heritage Area Grants and Statutory Aid. $24 million annual savings.

    Cut Federal Travel Budget in Half. $7.5 billion annual savings
    Trim Federal Vehicle Budget by 20%. $600 million annual savings.
    Essential Air Service. $150 million annual savings.
    Technology Innovation Program. $70 million annual savings.
    Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) Program. $125 million
    annual savings.

    Department of Energy Grants to States for Weatherization. $530 million annual savings.

    Beach Replenishment. $95 million annual savings.
    New Starts Transit. $2 billion annual savings.

    Exchange Programs for Alaska, Natives Native Hawaiians, and Their
    Historical Trading Partners in Massachusetts. $9 million annual
    savings.

    Intercity and High Speed Rail Grants. $2.5 billion annual savings.

    Title X Family Planning. $318 million annual savings.
    Appalachian Regional Commission. $76 million annual savings.
    Economic Development Administration. $293 million annual savings.

    Programs under the National and Community Services Act. $1.15
    billion annual savings.

    Applied Research at Department of Energy. $1.27 billion annual savings.

    FreedomCAR and Fuel Partnership. $200 million annual savings.
    Energy Star Program. $52 million annual savings.
    Economic Assistance to Egypt . $250 million annually.

    U.S. Agency for International Development. $1.39 billion annual
    savings.

    General Assistance to District of Columbia . $210 million annual
    savings.

    Subsidy for Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority. $150
    million annual savings.

    Presidential Campaign Fund. $775 million savings over ten years.
    No funding for federal office space acquisition. $864 million annual
    savings.

    End prohibitions on competitive sourcing of government services.
    Repeal the Davis-Bacon Act. More than $1 billion annually.

    IRS Direct Deposit: Require the IRS to deposit fees for some services
    it offers (such as processing payment plans for taxpayers) to the
    Treasury, instead of allowing it to remain as part of its budget. $1.8 billion savings over ten years.

    Require collection of unpaid taxes by federal employees. $1 billion total savings.
    WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    WHY AREN’T THESE FEDERAL EMPLOYEES IN PRISON?

    Prohibit taxpayer funded union activities by federal employees. $1.2
    billion savings over ten years.

    Sell excess federal properties the government does not make use of.
    $15 billion total savings.

    Eliminate death gratuity for Members of Congress.

    Eliminate Mohair Subsidies. $1 million annual savings.
    Eliminate taxpayer subsidies to the United Nations Intergovernmental
    Panel on Climate Change. $12.5 million annual savings

    Eliminate Market Access Program. $200 million annual savings.
    USDA Sugar Program. $14 million annual savings.
    Subsidy to Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development
    (OECD). $93 million annual savings.

    Eliminate the National Organic Certification Cost-Share Program. $56.2
    million annual savings.

    Eliminate fund for Obamacare administrative costs. $900 million
    savings.

    Ready to Learn TV Program. $27 million savings..
    HUD Ph.D. Program.
    Deficit Reduction Check-Off Act.
    TOTAL SAVINGS: $2.5 Trillion over Ten Years

    The question is: what THE HELL is all this doing in the

    budget in the first place? WHICH POLITICIANS ARE

    RECEIVING CAMPAIGN (RE-ELECTION) FUNDS, FROM

    THE GRATEFUL RECIPIENTS OF THESE PROGRAMS?

    YOU CAN BET THAT THEY ARE DEMOCRATS!

    • Wayne937

      What can you do when your broke? Do you want to continue borrowing from China to keep this from happening? Do you not love your children and grandchildren enough so they will not have to pay China for the rest of their lives. We have to take extreme measures unless you would like to see this country go bankrupt. I don’t think the Republicans have any choice, but to pay off the hugh debt that the Dumocrats has placed upon us…

    • Dan az

      Dennis
      Require collection of unpaid taxes by federal employees. $1 billion total savings.
      WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      WHY AREN’T THESE FEDERAL EMPLOYEES IN PRISON?
      Good question!Maybe its because they work for obummer!

  • Bell

    Wayne, because Lakin was in the military and going by their rules, I guess he messed up, but have you not ever heard of the saying, ‘rules were made to be broken?’ This man had a gut feeling something was wrong here and he was right…he had to show his birth certificate for various reasons and actually Obama was suppose to show his before he even became president, but some how got away with it and kept it hidden. And now that it was released, they have found some questionable things about it…very suspicious. Sometimes, Wayne, we have to step up to things that we feel are wrong, no matter what. And if we have to face the consquences of man’s twisted laws, than so be it. The judge and others connected to Lakin’s case I have no doubt were in the hip pocket of Obama and Soros. Obama swore an oath to this country, but instead is not only going against our constitution, but tearing our country apart. Now, I have to ask you…who is really going against the laws of this country…Lakin or Obama? Will you stand up for what’s right Wayne when the time comes or look at it as a rule you can’t break and become one of them that really don’t care about the rules themselves?

  • ICEMAN45

    The sitting MUSLIM POTUS has a plan. THE PLAN is piss off Packistan and Isreal enough to launch a two prong attack against the US.Remember these are the only Mideast Countries who have NUKES unless Iran has some who knows for sure?.Also if they launch North Korea will join in and if Iran has nukes hidden they will launch also.While the US is being obliterated BARACK HUSSIEN OBAMA AKA BARRY SOETORO will be sitting in Kenya or Indonesia laughing his BLACK/WHITE ASS off because he done what Germany and Japan were unable to do.DESTROY THE UNITED STATES

  • disabled vet

    Independent thinking was never encouraged in the Army, as this old vet knows. I am truly sorry for the veteran involved, however, he knew the job was bad when he took it. If he did not know poking the bear was a bad idea, he knows it now. Being a disabled vet, I feel a lot of kin ship towards his plight….has he ever considered running for office? Since he already put his ass on the line and got it shot anyway. Why not make it a campaign issue, the integrity of this soldier versus the unprincipled approach of the Commander in Chief.

    Good luck, buddy, you’re gonna need it.

    • Wayne937

      Just think, Obama has never been in the military, has never ran a business, came our of nowhere, and the people took the bait, and made him their president. I blame the news media for this as they did not report the facts about Obama. Had they only reported the facts, had not taken sides, and let the people make up their own minds, we would not be having this discussion about a man who is a Maslim, and born in Kenya.

      • smilee

        Wayne937 says:
        May 20, 2011 at 11:06 am

        Constitutional requirements to be the US president are to be at least 35 yrs of age, lived 14 years in the US and be a natural born citizen, you are not required to have run a business or to have been in the military service and if that was good enough for the founding fathers then why is that not good enough for you?? Also you make a lot of statements without giving any proof that they are true but still claim Obama and the media should.. Your such a hypocrite. I’m betting you do not know for sure weather your statements are true or not.

        • Dan az

          So smelly why not provide it for us!I know your to busy.

          • Thamera

            yep, Smelly, senile…I mean Smilee’s blnd love for the hypocrite in office is embarrassing….

  • RetMSgtUSMC

    Argue all you want. He was a member of the military and was obligated to follow his orders. He failed to do so. Guilty as charged. These lame excuses about the Presidents citizenship will never go away. Nothing will ever change the minds of the birthers. The certificate of live birth is what every citizen of Hawaii receives. Are you telling me everyone born in Hawaii is not a citizen? Hawaiian law says those records are sealed. So now you want the law to be broken for this crazy idea. Why don’t you birthers just admit that you cannot stand the fact that the President has a better tan than you. (His mother is white so is he)
    Lakin got what he deserved. I too served my country honorable and faithfully. This ex Col. has brought shame to the whole military by buying into this sham and then trying to use his service to cover his butt. I don’t agree with a lot of things that President Obama is doing but this whole birther issue is a crook of cow dung. Lakin is just another $h!tb!rd looking to justify is actions. I know full well he was told by superiors and friends to back off of this before it was too late. But he choose to continue. He is paying to price for not following some very good advise I know he receive. Too Bad not Sad for him. He screwed up now he has to pay for it.

    • Bell

      What a rotten attidue you have…What are you going to do when the day comes you have to step up to something you know is wrong?

      • RetMSgtUSMC

        Bell, I don’t have a rotten attitude. I am just tried of all the lame excuses used to justify this birther B/S. He drank the kool-aid so now he pays the price. The President is a natural born citizen period, end of conversation. Trying of convince others or even believing in this birther issue is 100% B/S. Lakin failed in his duties as an officer. He will not and does not get any pity from me.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          I am curious how you got to be a Master Sgt.? Pity on the men you were in charge of. You would never defend them.

          • Bitter Libertarian

            Military people commit crimes, murder, rape, theft every day, just like anyone else. they are Nothing special.

            I knew quite a few who’s brains were strapped to their a$$, and they spent time more worried about their Careers then the Truth. They bent over for the officers and never offered a single ounce of courage for their men. The Higher up you go the more “like a politician” they talked.

            Sorry Gunny..you know its true, if you dont, slide away from the bar, sober up and back off people who know 10x more then you do about the Constitution. You know as well as I do the Military doesnt teach Truth it teaches OBEDIENCE. You did well soldier.

            RET-USN.

        • OldNYFirefighter

          If you think he is Natural Born, you better go find out what that definition means. His Father was a BRITISH Citizen & his Mother was an American Citizen. That makes Obama a Native Born Citizen if he was born in the USA. Just being botn in the USA does not make you Natural Born, it makes you Native Born if one or both of your parents are Citizens of another Country. Both Parents have to be Americans for Obama to be Natural Born, which is not the case. Check out S.R. 511. Congress verified McCains Natural Born Status as it was questioned by Obama’s campaign. S.R. 511 states that McCain is a Natural Born Citizen because both parents were American Citizens & he was born on a Military Base in Panama. Obama agreed. Nobody questioned Obama’s because at the time there was no Birth Certificate submitted. Since Obama’s Father was a British Citizen Obama had Dual Citizenship which would also make him ineligible for the Presidency. Take your choice, ineligible because of Dual Citizenship or Native Born Status instead of Natural Born Status, either way, not eligible regardless of where he was born.

          • Wayne937

            OldNYFirefighter, it is impossible to have a dialogue with idiots. In fact you can’t. When you tell an idiot that something is green, when in fact it is green, and they say it is red, how do you counter a stupid answer like this? You can’t, so you don even try to discuss things with idiots. A dialogue can only take place between two people who have commom sense, and are willing to look at both side of the story, and use analysis and proof to back up their own facts. Remember the axioms I posted earlier. IE, some things have to be accepted without proof. EG, if I say that the State of California is in the United States, we accept that without proof.

          • Cawmun Cents

            Green is the new red.

    • Dennis Patrick

      Excellent points!

      It appears that Lakin didn’t want to deploy to Afghanistan, so he concocted the dodge with the birthers. When he found out he was going to go to jail, have a felony conviction and lose his retirement package, he threw the birthers under the bus:

      During an hour of unsworn testimony, Lakin called that video an embarrassing mistake, brought on by pressure and poor advice from supposed supporters.

      “I would not do this again,” he said. “It was a confusing time for me, and I was very emotional. I thought I was choosing the right path, and I did not.”

      He told the jury he would do anything to salvage his Army career.

    • Wayne937

      I said that Obama had never been in the military, never have ran a business and he is trying to run the United States. This is certainly a sad time in our history.

      • smilee

        NEWS FLASH!! he is the president and is running the country, you do not have to like it but your not liking it does not change it and history in time may see it different than you do now that was sure true in Truman’s case

  • Dennis M. Ellis

    Soros Spends Over $48 Million Funding Media Organizations
    Investigative journalism, industry associations, even ombudsmen group backed by left-wing donor.
    By Dan Gainor Wednesday, May 18, 2011 11:51 AM EDT

    Second of Four Parts

    It’s a scene journalists dream about – a group of coworkers toasting a Pulitzer Prize. For the team at investigative start-up ProPublica, it was the second time their fellow professionals recognized their work for journalism’s top honor.

    For George Soros and ProPublica’s other liberal backers, it was again proof that a strategy of funding journalism was a powerful way to influence the American public.

    It’s a strategy that Soros has been deploying extensively in media both in the United States and abroad. Since 2003, Soros has spent more than $48 million funding media properties, including the infrastructure of news – journalism schools, investigative journalism and even industry organizations.

    And that number is an understatement. It is gleaned from tax forms, news stories and reporting. But Soros funds foundations that fund other foundations in turn, like the Tides Foundation, which then make their own donations. A complete accounting is almost impossible because a media component is part of so many Soros-funded operations.

    This information is part of an upcoming report by the Media Research Centers Business & Media Institute which has been looking into George Soros and his influence on the media.

    It turns out that Soros’ influence doesn’t just include connections to top mainstream news organizations such as NBC, ABC, The New York Times and Washington Post. It’s bought him connections to the underpinnings of the news business. The Columbia Journalism Review, which bills itself as “a watchdog and a friend of the press in all its forms,” lists several investigative reporting projects funded by one of Soros foundations.

    The “News Frontier Database” includes seven different investigative reporting projects funded by Soros’ Open Society Institute. Along with ProPublica, there are the Center for Public Integrity, the Center for Investigative Reporting and New Orleans’ The Lens. The Columbia School of Journalism, which operates CJR, has received at least $600,000 from Soros, as well.

    Imagine if conservative media punching bags David and Charles Koch had this many connections to journalists. Even if the Kochs could find journalists willing to support conservative media (doubtful), they would be skewered by the left.

    For Soros, it’s news, but it nothing new. According to “Soros: The Life and Times of a Messianic Billionaire,” he has been fascinated by media from when he was a boy where early career interests included “history or journalism or some form of writing.” He served as “editor-in-chief, publisher, and news vendor of” his own paper, “The Lupa News” and wrote a wall newspaper in his native Hungary before leaving, wrote author Michael T. Kaufman, a 40-year New York Times veteran. The Communist Party “encouraged” such papers.

    Now as one of the world’s richest men (No. 46 on Forbes’ list), he gets to indulge his dreams. Since those dreams seem to involve controlling media from the ground up, Soros naturally started with Columbia University’s School of Journalism. Columbia is headed by President Lee Bollinger, who also sits on the Pulitzer Prize board and the board of directors of The Washington Post.

    Bollinger, like some of Soros’ other funding recipients, is pushing for journalism to find a new sugar daddy or at least an uncle – Uncle Sam. Bollinger wrote in his book “Uninhibited, Robust, and Wide-Open: A Free Press for a New Century” that government should fund media. A 2009 study by Columbia’s journalism program came to the same conclusion, calling for “a national fund for local news.” Conveniently, Len Downie, the lead author of that piece, is on both the Post’s board and the board of the Center for Investigative Reporting, also funded by Soros.

    Soros funds more than just the most famous journalism school in the nation. There’s journalism industry associations like:

    The National Federation of Community Broadcasters;
    The National Association of Hispanic Journalists;
    And the Committee to Protect Journalists.

    Readers unhappy with Soros’ media influence might be tempted to voice concerns to the Organization of News Ombudsmen – a professional group devoted to “monitoring accuracy, fairness and balance.” Perhaps a direct complaint to one such as NPR’s Alicia Shepard or PBS’s Michael Getler, both directors of the organization. Unfortunately, that group is also funded by Soros. At the bottom of the Organization of News Ombudsmen’s website front page is the line: “Supported by the Open Society Institute,” a Soros foundation. It is the only organization so listed.

    The group’s membership page lists 57 members from around globe and features:

    Deirdre Edgar, readers’ representative of The Los Angeles Times;
    Brent Jones, standards editor, USA Today;
    Kelly McBride, ombudsman, ESPN;
    Patrick Pexton, ombudsman, The Washington Post.

    The site doesn’t address whether the OSI money creates a conflict of interest. But then, who could readers complain to anyway?

    There’s more. The Open Society Institute is one of several foundations funding the Investigative News Network (INN), a collaboration of 32 non-profit news organizations producing what they claim is “non-partisan investigative news.” The James L. Knight Foundation also backs the network and is possibly the most-well-known journalism foundation. Knight President and CEO Alberto Ibargüen is on the board of directors for ProPublica.

    INN includes the Investigative Reporting Workshop at American University, the liberal web start-up MinnPost, National Institute for Computer-Assisted Reporting, National Public Radio, and the Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism. The network had included the liberal Huffington Post investigative operation among its grants, but HuffPo investigations merged with the possibly even more left-wing Center for Public Integrity, on whose board Arianna Huffington sits.

    Liberal academic programs, left-wing investigative journalism and even supposedly neutral news organizations paid for by a man who spends tens of millions of dollars openly attacking the right. George Soros is teaching journalists that their industry has a future as long as he opens his wallet.

    Dan Gainor is the Boone Pickens Fellow and the Media Research Center’s Vice President for Business and Culture. His column appears each week on The Fox Forum. He can also be contacted on Facebook and Twitter as dangainor.

  • Gregg Weber

    So, you are just to obey orders and not question them?

    The same thing happens in civilian courts when the Supreme Court decides on some small thing, leaving the important issue to be kicked down the road.

    I seriously doubt that President Obama, as President and Commander in Chief would pardon this man and return his pension. There would be an advantage to him if he did. He wouldn’t be on the lecture circuit and talk radio rounds. Vindictiveness will outs.

  • TombstoneLizard

    In 1983 I received an Article 15 for allegedly “abandoning my post.” I sought representation by my JAG officer, who asked for the facts, my statement, and my hearing date. SHE NEVER SHOWED UP OR ADVISED ME OF MY RIGHTS UNDER THE UCMJ!!!! The UCMJ overrides many, MANY Constitutional Rights, citing “the preservation of military discipline and good order.” In other words, you must serve under facist rules to protect our democracy. The UCMJ, and the abusers of its laws, need to be thrown out and re-written in ACCORDANCE with our Constitution! You couldn’t pay me a million dollars to serve those knuckleheads-in-charge now that I have grown a brain!!!

  • sudsy

    Wy not have Israel do what they know how to do and get rid of the two most evil people on earth- Obama and Soros!

  • Jeep

    After reading the plethora of comments in this thread, there is nothing really to discuss. Opinions of the results from the military court are drawn squarely along party lines. Few have discussed, or considered the actual merits of the case, but I suspect that is because you have not taken the time to do a little research on how this thing played out last year. LTC Lakin has admitted to making a mistake in how he went about his protest, but not to the protest itself. The man has a right to his opinion (even under UCMJ) and he has the right to voice his opposition if he feels so compelled. What the court decided is to NOT take into account any extenuating circumstances that would lead the LTC to object to deploying. Instead, the court limited arguments to the question of whether or not he missed movement to theater. While a military court can do this, it is morally repugnant to disallow the admission of extenuating circumstance into the court’s consideration and final judgement. In my opinion. This is most likely due to the court shying away from the political ramifications of allowing a discussion of the CIC’s birthplace.

    So, in my opinion, there are two mis-carriage’s here. The court should have allowed a full hearing of the LTC’s arguments, and the LTC should never have put the court in the position to have to deny those hearings.

    • Jovianus

      There truly is nothing to discuss. Was the order a lawful order? The answerr is …yes. No court anywhere has given one ounce of creedence to the birthers wild wacked claims. No court has issued any decision that Pres. Obama is not legitimate in holding office. Any birther argument is disproven or based on wild, wacky way out of the realm of reason so as to be right up there with green men from mars.

      The next question…did the Col disobey a lawful order? Yes.

      Case closed. No more evidence required to make the final determination.

      The man may be brave, but he dishonored the uniform, destroyed any honor he may have once been held in, and insulted every man and woman in uniform. He got off way to light. Wayyyy to light.

      • Thamera

        Jovi you again earn yourself a big WHATEVER! And what would your proposed punishment be? Now, how about you answer some questions Jovi (which YOU NEVER DO – like have you ever been in the military or served your country? DOUBT IT! Also, what is it that you do exactly besides play games on forums?

        • smilee

          Neither of your questions are relevant to this discussion so what;s your purpose in asking them???

          • Thamera

            Smilee, I don’t expect a thoughtful discussion from you or any intelligent, critical thinking response for that matter. It is obvious that you digest everything the MSM is selling, hook, line and sinker…as for Jovi he or she is a spineless worm that has no problem “dishing” it out but can’t answer the most simple of questions like what it is that he or she does for a living…as for the other question, it is most relevant but since reading comprehension is not your forte I am not surprised that you missed it. Jovi stated that the punishment was not severe enough in this case…my question to Jovi is what then should the punishment have been? Of course, there is no answer from Jovi and I really don’t expect one, just like I don’t expect anything intelligible coming from you :D

          • Jovianus

            What would I say was a proper sentence since I’m of the opinion he got off light?

            Refusing a lawful legitimate order which order is required to deploy overseas to a war zone.

            In my opinion? A few years of time. Perhaps equal to that he would have been deployed. Loss of officer rank and a dishonorable discharge. My opinion …

      • Jeep

        Truly your partisan blinders are clouding your judgement. Fact, until recently you only had the word of the prez’s supporters that any question of where oman was born. Why wouldn’t some people want question that? (Personally, I know his politics, and that is enough for me to discount him as a good leader.) But what has that to do with Lakin’s case? Nothing.

        But, in true hack fashion, you dismiss the legal process to condemn the LTC based solely on your political bent. Even the UCMJ offers recourse for circumstances. Yet these were never allowed. Apparently, if you had been presiding he would have been guilty before the trial. Tsk, tsk. Even military courts have presumed innocence. Ever hear of Due Process? Look it up.

        But, he was convicted and served his time, which I am sure delights the blind sheep to no end.

      • Jeep

        Wow…that first sentence should read “Fact, until recently you only had the word of the prez’s supporters as to the question of where oman was born.” That makes more sense!

    • Wayne937

      How could this military judge have done anything else since he is dirctly under Obama’s Command? Had he found Colonel Lakin not guilty, the judge would have been the next one to go. This is why Colonel Lakin should have been tried in the civilian court system. Doing it this way, Obama would not have had any influence on the outcome, and I would have been more comfortable with it.

      • smilee

        WHAT A BUNCH OF NONSENSE!!!

  • Had ENUF

    OK,

  • Dean Gu3

    What we need to do people, is select and agree upon someone to run for president. Someone that will keep in mind the real needs of this country, and bring the country back to what our forefathers intended it to be. Someone with the skill to work through troubled times, and the integrity to perform what is right at all times. A solution finder, problem solver, a leader.

    Do we really want to wait and see who will be president next? Another actor perhaps, another politition? liar?, status quo?, or shall we seek and select the real thing. We have the means with the internet, to organize and be sucsessful. We just have to get it started and follow through to the end to get what we want, what we need.

    • DaveH

      What our forefathers wanted was not somebody who knew what the country needed, but rather somebody who would butt out and leave citizens to make their own decisions and pay for their own mistakes.
      The reason we can’t seem to elect a truthful man is because there is no such person who knows what is best for everybody, so the candidates Lie. One size does not, and never will, fit all. We need to get back to Limited Government. Government should exist only to protect us from the force (or fraud) of others. It has no business in most of the things it does these days.

      • libertytrain

        Very well said Dave -

    • Jovianus

      When you speak of ‘forefathers”, just which ones are you referring to? There were many different people serving in Congress and which Congress … the First Continental Conress, the Second, the Confederation, those who were involved in the Dec of Independence? If you want to use Jefferson, don’t be surprised if you can use hamilton to counter since they were on opposite sides of the political spectrum. Would you cite Wolfe? I’d counter with Adams..and so forth. So just whom do you rely on when you say “forefathers” ? Or is it just an easy catch phrase to give easy and simplistic legimization to wacked out ideas completely detached from reality and fact?

      • Thamera

        OMG Jovianus…I am beginning to wonder if you are not really just a robot with your “cut and paste” comments. Your absolutely meaningless question of who the forefathers are is very old, tired and completely vapid. I have replied to this question now multiple times and so have others who are actually thinking human beings and have the ability to discern who our forefathers were. As for your references to Hobbes and Locke give everyone a break. You are too illiterate I guess to realize that they were juxtapositionally opposed to each other yet you toss these questions and these names around to try and pretend that you actually know something about them. You are a complete joke and you have yet to answer the most simplest of questions: which is, what is it that YOU do Jovi?

        • smilee

          Our founding fathers were very much divided and the Constitution was very much a document based on a lot compromise but to listen to the likes of you that is not case. Jov was factual and tells it like it really was, you are the biased one.

          • Thamera

            Really Smilee, I suppose you know a lot about Locke and Hobbes? How about Emerson and Thoreau? Well read up on Jonathan Swift how about Plato? If you want to parrot Jovi go right ahead. You have already illustrated numerous times now that you are incapable of critical thought, but you are amusing :D And if you want to call support of the constitution a bias, then yes I am most definitely biased in regard to the original intent of the constitution and btw I never have said that there wasn’t dissent among the founders…..but then again, reading comprehension Smilee…here’s a hint…when someone says juxtapositionally opposed that means that they didn’t agree – Hobbes and Locke for example….but again, you are amusing :D

        • Jovianus

          Seriously Thamera. I was the one who pointed out to you in a prior argument your quoting Jefferson in the Federalist papers and stating that was the position of jefferson was in error as Jefferson was an admirer of Locke’s economic thesis whereupon Hamilton was a Hobbsian..yet they took the other side when they debated in the Papers.

          Nice try…but didn’t work. So tell us oh great teacher of high school government…which work of Hobbes and/or Locke have you read? Wait..I should preface that. Do you know what books they wrote ? LOL …

          • Jovianus

            I should ask as well…read any of Plato (since you used his name), Socrates, Aristotle? Cicero perhaps? Volatire, Smith, Johnson, Clemons? How about Kant or Kirkegaard? Maybe Shakespeare (not the readers digest pap…the real deal)? How about Shi’ien, SunTzu or Machiavelli?

          • Thamera

            Actually all of the above Jovi in their original works…Shakespeare too along with many, many others that you have not listed. When I say that I am very well read, I mean just that. I am also very well studied. I enjoy it on a professional level as well as a personal level and despite your claims to the contrary, I teach and am well respected in my field. In the summer I engage in social work. Unlike you, I have no qualms disclosing what I do.

            As for the senate overriding the constitution, I DO NOT KNOW what you are talking about and you already admitted as much. That you took something out of context is more than apparent.

            My disagreement with you lies in your belief that the constitution is a fluid document that can be changed and ought to be changed by judges, as well as your fallacious pretense that no one really knows who the founders are or were…Thomas Jefferson constantly warned against isolating power to the courts and treating the constitution as if it were a piece of wax to be constantly molded and shaped as you would have everyone believe.

  • Michael Dodson

    Lakin was not disciplined for “questioning Barack Obama”, as your headline misleadingly proclaims. Lakin was jailed for dishonoring his uniform and the services by disobeying a lawful order. He grandstanded, trying to further his wrongheaded and incorrect political belief that Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen of the United States of America. Lakin set a terrible example for others who wear the uniforms of the US’ armed forces. WHat has happened to him thus far is mild compared to the punishment he should absorb.

    • smilee

      TRUE, TRUE, TRUE

    • JC

      Lakin has a spine and he dishonoured nothing.
      What he did is what the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff should be doing…but apparently they have their careers to protect.

      • eddie47d

        No, They used their heads and didn’t overreact. That could prove that you wouldn’t want Lakin in combat. Overreacting and disobeying orders.

  • Tierra Teneil/Johnnie Blando

    we have a corrupt government, and now, it looks like we have a paid off justice system in both our government and the military,….lady justice took off her mask and is now also corrupt. All I can say for all of this, is you best kiss your kids and grand kids asses goodbye, especially if you raised them to be Christians, for they will not only be treated like Lakin, but worse, you will spend a fortune on their education just for them to be denied unemployment because they are Christians. We did such a great job in this country turning our backs on all this while our enemies were busy little bee’s destroying it and us,……we have no one to blame but ouselves and now it is to late to recover unless you pick up arms and go after all of them. Your pens, folks, are just about out of ink,….stop complaining and take action,…haha, what a joke!!!!

  • ONTIME

    Col. Latkin has suffered for asking for the credentials of his CIC, the courts turned his inquiry around, denied him justice and destroyed his defense by changing the content of the original argument and refusing him any defense, this is called a travesty and justice denied. The responsible party is the man who’s credentials are not in order and yet is given authority because he sits unvetted in the seat of the POTUS in our Oval Office, the situation has not changed for the leadership, we are still blindly allowing this fraud to remain in ofice even though the evidence of the allegation of lack of credentials is evidenced.

    I have little doubt that this unproven will give the order and mandate some kind of crisis to fulfill his agenda of chaos and destruction and that cannot be far away because he cannot qualify to be a candidate for a second attempt, the left is not going to admit or be denied their chance to instill a depraved socialistisc style of government.

    Col. Latkin deserves total exoneration and reinstatement with back pay but more than this he deserves to have his day in court to have the original premise of his deserved resolved, “Who is my CIC?”

  • Herbert H Smith

    Lt. Col. Terry Lakin is A great man, It’s a shame that more American’s don’t have his backbone!!!

  • Nan

    Well, if he hadn’t been insubordinate by REFUSING to deploy then he would not have faced these consequences. Just because screaming talking heads state that our president is not legitimate doesn’t make him illegitimate. You “conservatives” don’t have the legal right to pick and choose which laws and rules you are interested in falling. Bush & Cheney didn’t have the stomach or balls to track down and kill Bin Laden but our Democratic president, Barack Obama did! Go America… screw the republican jerks!

    • Wayne937

      Nan, you are using names like Conservatives. Do you really know what the meaning of a true Conservative is? I don’t believe you do!!!! Let me tell you what a real Conservative is: a Conservative is an honest God Fearing person who will live within his means, He will not mooch from the government, or anyone else, he will work for a living by the sweat of his brow, he will be kind to his family, friends, and neighbors, he will help them in times of dire need, his word will act as his legal contract, remember, honest, which I listed above, he will protect his family and country from his enemies. Looking back in history, I can tell you that the Wright Brothers who discovered flying were conservatives, what about all the other Conservative inventors, Alexander Graham Bell, Henry Ford, Guglielmo Marconi, the inventor of radio and so many many more of these great people in our history. You would not have the thing you take for granted today had it not been for these great Conservative people of the past. You had better get on you knees and give thanks for all these people that you criticize. Your comment shows me how ignorant you really are. You should be ashamed to post such a venomous comment about the folks who made this country great. Shame on you.

      • Carlucci

        OMG – Nan -!! What the french, toast? Did you come from the same stupid libtard Romper Room bunch as Jovi, Carol, Dennis Patrick, Doc Sarvis, Eddie47d, etc., ad nauseum? Please go and post your verbal vomit on HuffPo, where your fellow libtards from the looney left can all agree with you.

        • Kate8

          Carlucci – Does it seem to you like the libs are multiplying here?

          I guess they just keep adding names to post under. Apparently they don’t have much else to do, so one can only surmise that it’s their job.

          • Carlucci

            Kate – I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if that was the case.

          • Mick

            Carlucci says:
            May 21, 2011 at 6:24 pm
            Mick the Chick, I never thought you were/are part of the libtard group. Your views are far too honest, conservative, and make sense. Even if you were some kind of liberal “imposter”, (which I don’t think you are), the logical thoughts and opinions you write would ultimately make your head explode like a liberal “Fem-Bot” from the Austin Powers movies.

            While we’re on the subject, have you thought about changing your handle and posting as “Mick the Chick” instead of just “Mick”? It sounds like there was someone else posting for awhile as Mick or mick. I don’t really remember that person as I haven’t been on this board nearly as long as many of the other bloggers.
            ***********************************
            Carlucci…
            Thanks for the vote of confidence and yes I thought of posting under ” Mick the Chick” and may do so in the future but as it stand I don’t feel I should have to compromise and let the lefty loons take advantage of the situation they’ve created it’s a matter of principle.
            If many of our politicians were to stand by their principles our country wouldn’t be in such chaos.
            Call me stubborn Carlucci but I will stick to my original name for awhile longer and hope that more of our fellow conservatives will realize that I am who I say I am and stop jumping the gun, computer glitch do happen and even Mr. Livingston is not immune to it.
            Later Carlucci….And for you I will sign off as ” Mick the chick “

          • DaveH

            It seems rather odd that Bob Livingston wouldn’t come to your aid, Mick, and clear your name.
            And the IP address is no computer glich. It either is your address or it isn’t. There is a slim possibility that Bob misread the address, but that would be unlikely after all the controversy.

        • Mick

          Carlucci says:
          May 20, 2011 at 1:31 pm
          OMG – Nan -!! What the french, toast? Did you come from the same stupid libtard Romper Room bunch as Jovi, Carol, Dennis Patrick, Doc Sarvis, Eddie47d, etc., ad nauseum? Please go and post your verbal vomit on HuffPo, where your fellow libtards from the looney left can all agree with you.
          **************************

          Carlucci,,,,Thanks for not including my name in this bunch, nice to know that even conservatives can keep an open mind regardless of what liberals think…
          keep up the good work……..Mick the Chick..

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So which side are you on really?

          • Carlucci

            Mick the Chick, I never thought you were/are part of the libtard group. Your views are far too honest, conservative, and make sense. Even if you were some kind of liberal “imposter”, (which I don’t think you are), the logical thoughts and opinions you write would ultimately make your head explode like a liberal “Fem-Bot” from the Austin Powers movies.

            While we’re on the subject, have you thought about changing your handle and posting as “Mick the Chick” instead of just “Mick”? It sounds like there was someone else posting for awhile as Mick or mick. I don’t really remember that person as I haven’t been on this board nearly as long as many of the other bloggers.

          • DaveH

            It’s interesting to me how Mick just keeps going on and on about the issue. The reason I say that is that I’ve been close to two chronic liars in my life (my brother and my ex-wife), and they both shared that same characteristic. They would go on and on about how their accusors have wronged them, and how abused they were as a result. I knew for a fact that they were lying (to the other people).
            There are two smart courses that could have been taken by Mick.
            1) Let it drop. It would blow over eventually, unless Bob made it perfectly clear that he had not made a mistake and this Mick did indeed share an Internet Address with the multiple-personalities of Jovianus.
            2) Change the User Name (Mick the Chick) would be rather cool, I think. But then if Bob puts Mick the Chick on his next list, there would be little doubt left.

      • smilee

        I suspect Nan identified a conservatives from those who call themselves conservative today not the conservatives of old that you describe when they were looked upon and honest and respectful. Any way Nan has it exactly correct. You do not know what you are talking about

    • Wayne937

      Nam, you are one misguided person.

    • OldNYFirefighter

      Nan, go drink some more koolaid. This intelligence was going on before Obama even became a candidate. Outside of letting the President know what is going on, they pretty much operate without any input from the President. Obama by himself, couldn’t run a fart factory let alone run an Intelligence Agency.

    • DaveH

      Unbelievable. Nan says “You “conservatives” don’t have the legal right to pick and choose which laws and rules you are interested in falling” [following, I presume].
      Nan, think about what you’re saying. Here’s a President who has broken more campaign promises than any other in my lifetime. Here’s a President who has ignored the War Powers Resolution. Here’s a President, who without consulting Congress, has the gaul to say that the American People want Israel to go back to its pre-1967 borders.
      And you have the nerve to talk about Conservatives not following the rules?
      Obama has shown himself to be a Dictator, who only follows the rule of law when it suits his goals.

      • JC

        Exatly right DaveH. Blind adherence is an attribute of authoritarian states….Like Amerika?

  • Ken

    I think a very important point is being missed here. Is an order issued by an imposter a legal order? Col. Lakin was only trying to establish legality of the order. At the time, and continues today, a question regarding the presidents citizenship which had not been proven at the time.

    Even today the authenticity of the presidents birth certificate is in question. And why did it take more than two years for the president to produce his long form BC? Why wasn’t this document placed in evidence before being allowed to run for the office of president?

    Personally, I think the Col. was well within his rights to question the order considering the citizenship contriversity at the time.

    • smilee

      His orders were found lawful and the rest of you post is garbage, just pure garbage

  • http://www.charter.net James Graham

    Well, here it is!, Compare, What do you THINK????,Note Where are the SEALS,!!!!

    To me it’s the story written below the documents (explains how Hawaii has a registration) that adds fuel to the fire. No, I’m not a “birther”. At this point, it doesn’t matter anymore.

    Here it is, folks! The document we have been waiting for!
    Now if only SOMEONE in Congress or the Supreme Court will act on this!

    Spread this around…..if these documents are as authentic as they certainly seem to be,
    Obama is NOT qualified to be our President and he sits in the White House illegally!

    This is what Obama has spent almost $2M (so far) to hide.

    Here’s a close-up of the top of the document where you can plainly read his name and his parent’s names, etc….

    A British history buff was asked if he could find out who the colonial registrar was for Mombasa in 1961.
    After only a few minutes of research, he called back and said “Sir Edward F. Lavender†Note the same name
    near the bottom of the photo above.
    Source(s): “ Kenya Dominion Record 4667 Australian library.”

    And here’s a close-up of the bottom of the document where you can read “Coast Providence of Kenya ” and the
    official signature of the Deputy Registrar…..

    The above document is a “Certified Copy of Registration of Birth”, but below is a copy of the actual Certificate of Birth…
    the real-deal legal kind of certificate.

    The Mombasa Registrar of Births has testified that Obama’s birth certificate from Coast Province General Hospital in
    Mombasa is genuine. This copy was obtained by Lucas Smith through the help of a Kenyan Colonel who recently got it
    directly from the Coast General Hospital in Mombasa , Kenya . Here it is…..

    Note the footprint!!

    The local Muslim Imam in Mombasa named Barack with his Muslim middle name Hussein so his official name on this
    certificate is Barack Hussein Obama II.

    The grandmother of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. reveals the story of his birth in Mombasa , Kenya , a seaport,
    after his mother suffered labor pains while swimming at ocean beach in Mombasa
    ……

    “On August 4, 1961 Obama’s mother, father and grandmother were attending a Muslim festival in Mombasa , Kenya .
    Mother had been refused entry to airplanes due to her nine month pregnancy. It was a hot August day at the festival so
    the Obama’s went to the beach to cool off. While swimming in the ocean his mother experienced labor pains so was
    rushed to the Coast Provincial
    General Hospital , Mombasa , Kenya where Obama was born a few hours later at 7:21 pm on August 4, 1961
    (what a sad day for the USA !). Four days later his mother flew to Hawaii and registered his birth in Honolulu
    as a certificate of live birth which omitted the place and hospital of birth.”

    Letter from Kitau in Mombasa , Kenya ……

    “I happen to be Kenyan. I was born 1 month before Obama at Mombasa medical center. I am a teacher here at the
    MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya . I compared my birth certificate to the one that has been put out by Taitz and mine is
    exactly the same. I even have the same registrar and format. The type is identical. I am by nature a skeptical person.
    I teach science here and challenge most things that cannot be proven. So I went to an official registrar today and pulled up
    the picture on the web. They magnified it and determined it to be authentic. There is even a plaque with Registrar Lavenders
    name on it as he was a Brit and was in charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964. The reason the date on
    the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the “copy” of the original was ordered.
    I stress the word “copy”. My copy also has republic of Kenya . So what you say is true about Kenya not being a republic
    at the time of Obama’s birth, however it was a republic when the copy was ordered.

    The birth certificate is genuine. I assure you it will be authenticated by a forensic auditor. We are very proud Obama was born here.
    We have a shrine for him and there are many people who remember his birth here as he had a white mother.
    They are being interviewed now by one of your media outlets.

    Fortunately they even have pictures of his parents with him immediately after his birth at the Mombasa hospital with the
    hospital in the back ground.

    It will be a proud day for us when it is proven that he was born here and a Kenyan became the most powerful man in the world.

    I encourage anyone to come here and visit. I will be happy to take you and show you the pictures at the hospital myself as
    well as my document and many others that are identical to what Taitz posted. God Bless. Kitau”

    • smilee

      GET YOU HIP BOOTS FOLKS, THIS BS IS GETTING DEEPER AND DEEPER!!!!!!!!!

  • Star827

    Ya just have to love idiots who are blind to BLATANT evidence!! Let me say this ONE MORE TIME for those who STILL DON’T GET IT.
    OBAMA – IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT!! This is based on SEVERAL pieces of SOLID EVIDENCE.
    1.)He has ONLY produced a Certificate of Live Birth.This is NOT a birth certificate,let alone a LONG FORM birth certificate.
    2.)Obama HIMSELF has ADMITTED,IN PUBLIC,that HE WAS NOT BORN IN THE UNITED STATES!!There is video and audio evidence.
    3.)Obama’s WIFE has stated that he was NOT BORN IN THE UNITED STATES,and that HE WAS BORN IN KENYA!!
    4.)His PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER has stated that HE WAS BORN IN KENYA!
    5.)His half sister stated HE WAS BORN IN KENYA
    6.)According to Hawaiian law,even a Certificate of Live Birth MUST HAVE AN OFFICIAL SEAL-NONE of the documents produced have such a seal
    7.)Experts agree that the documents produced HAVE BEEN ALTERED and are forgeries
    8.)ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATES for a set of lady twins born AFTER Obama at the supposed SAME hospital,are COMPLETELY different looking and HAVE A SEAL.ALSO,the SERIAL NUMBER of those certificates is BEFORE the number on Obama’s produced documents.These certificates have been examined by experts and shown NOT to have been altered and ARE NOT forgeries
    9.)Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro(?sp)-an INDONESIAN CITIZEN whom his mother was married to.That means that his ORIGINAL birth certificate WOULD HAVE BEEN AMENDED to show this
    10.)Obama applied to college for financial assistance AS A FOREIGN STUDENT
    11.)His social security numbers have been found to be fraudulent.And yes,he has more than one – possibly up to 3
    12.)He changed his name at will-his college applications state the name Barry Soetoro-there is NO LEGAL DOCUMENTATION of his ever even APPLYING for a name change-there are NO court records deeming such a change either
    13.)His KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE has been found,and there are pictures of the document ONLINE.It has his height,weight,etc-and his little foot print on it-oh-and it has an OFFICIAL SEAL FROM KENYA
    14.)When he was in college,and traveled abroad,he used either his INDONESIAN passport or one from PAKISTAN.He did NOT use a U.S. Passport-there is NO evidence he has a U.S. Passport
    15.)He NEVER applied for U.S. Citizenship,nor took a naturalization class
    16.)EVEN IF he HAD been born in Hawaii-he would STILL Be INELIGIBLE to be President BECAUSE HIS FATHER WAS NOT A UNITED STATES CITIZEN,nor was his step father.The Constitution states one of the requirements for the office of Presidency is that one be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.The LEGAL definition of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN is one who is born to TWO parents who are United States citizens.His biological father was a citizen of Kenya who was also granted dual citizenship with Britain as at the time Kenya was a territory/colony of Britain.
    17.)HILLARY CLINTON-(much as I loathe her as well)-brought this up in 2008 and was bringing evidence.She was shut down and told to shut up.The DNC KNEW he was ineligible yet forged documents anyway to put him on the ticket and run him
    18.)In what is probably the biggest irony here,Obama was one of the people who brought the whole eligibility issue of John McCain to Congress.He SIGNED THE DOCUMENT agreeing to what the definitions of eligibility were-and that included the accepted legal definition I gave above of what a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN is.Yet,he is NOT.

    Since this is a long post as it is,I will post another message with the supporting links and evidence.

    So tell me,SHEEPLE-when are you going to investigate the evidence for yourselves instead of basing your opinion on “Oh well he produced this document so it must be true!”.When are you going to WAKE THE HELL UP and realize you are being LIED to??!! STOP DRINKING THE KOOL-AID and get a dose of REALITY.

    Obama has spent and IS STILL SPENDING millions of dollars to keep the evidence OUT OF THE PUBLIC EYE.Doesn’t that raise any red flags to you idiots??!!

    We can’t impeach him (because Congress would never do it-or if they did they’d never impose the sentence – like with Bill Clinton),but we CAN keep him from getting re-elected.Whether or not he will ever pay for these crimes of high treason may have to be left up to Creator.

    • RetMSgtUSMC

      Star is it people like you that are running this country in the good believing these twisted lies posted by birthers like yourself. This wannabe Lt.Col. disrespect his uniform and all those that serve based on a bunch of lies he was told and believe in. You can post all these twisted fact you want to. But many who has served this country faithfully knows this officer screwed up and is depending on the rest of the birthers to defend his stupid actions. Again there is a lot of things President Obama has done that I don’t agreee with. But this whole birth issue does not have anything to do with Lakin failing to obey his orders.
      Ever comment you posted about the President being born in Kenya has been disproven and yet you continue to post the same crap. Most people like me who disagree with some of the policies the President has implemented disagree based on facts not wild fantasies like this birther issue. Once you people stop insulting the intelligence of American people maybe what you have to say will have some meaning. But as long as you continue with crazy ideas you along with this disgraced Lt.Col will have no credibility.

      • Star827

        So let me get this straight-according to you,because I researched the issue for myself,and gathered hard evidence,I’m “insulting the intelligence of the American people”? Really?! I dare say YOU are insulting MINE.
        These are NOT twisted lies.These are hard evidenced facts.I posted a body of evidence after that post,but I have yet to see it.I will post it again if need be.
        If,after you have thoroughly researched what I have presented,still maintain your opinion,that’s fine.I invite you to prove me wrong.ON EACH AND EVERY POINT.
        Obama’s eligibility IS the issue in LT. COl. Lakin’s case.It’s WHY he objected to deployment orders.He thought them unlawful based on that.So what I’m bringing up is EXACTLY the issue,and at least I back it up with FACTS.
        As for “insulting the intelligence of the American people”-I think I would be doing the exact OPPOSITE.By presenting the FACTS and EVIDENCE,I am,if nothing more,offering more than just an OPINION.You,on the other hand,seem to feel you must be doing the world a great service by offering your opinion;which is NOT based in fact.
        You feel the man disgraced the uniform,and that somehow,because I presented my side of debate,I am also doing so.I STRONGLY disagree with you.My fiancee’,who’s an Iraq war vet,my father,who’s a Vietnam vet,my Grandfather,who’s a WWII vet,my great grandmother’s brother who’s a WWI vet and former Japanese POW,and probably even my great great grandfather who was a Civil war vet would also disagree with you.Not to mention the NUMEROUS friends and acquaintances who are current and former military members would also heartily disagree with you.
        You can consider my points invalid and not credible all you want.Until you prove me dead wrong,yes,oh yes,I WILL continue posting these facts.I WILL continue to put it out there,because I’m not the only one searching for the truth.You should try it some time-it’s quite enlightening.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        Let me ask you Gunny, whats your knowledge of the Document you swore an oath to defend? Not attacking you, but curious.
        Now I’m not 100% positive, but damn willing to bet that my 20 years of Service was not much different in that not once did any Officer EVER, nor has ANY branch of Servive EVER Taught the FACTS & TRUTH about the US Constitution that we SWEAR an OATH to.

        If you Read Section 8 ONLY Congress can declare war. No Amendment deletes that Single requirement. PERIOD.
        Then review Article II section II; the ONLY time that the President IS the Commander in Chief is WHEN Congress “Calls him into service”, and the ONLY Logical Time that happens is when CONGRESS Declares WAR.

        Technicality Right? Well the last time I checked our OATH, which I didnt UN-Swear my oath to, my oath was directed at the Constitution written @1776 NOT any Law written afterwards.

        I wont Defend Lakin’s actions, because it really wasnt going to do anyone any good to be a maryter! The Military doesnt need maryters, it needs real bonefide hero’s.

        So WHY arent terrorists being tried in Military Courts? Is it because we arent Legally at war, and the UN could find Certain key individuals guilty of certain crimes? I dont pretend to know the answer to that and anyone here who does I doubt is accurate.

        • smilee

          Article II section 2 does not give that power to congress, It reads “The President shall be the Commander in Chief of the army and navy of the United States and of the milita of the several staes, when called into the actual service of the United States…” You totally totally read this wrong he is always the Commander in Chief the state milias when they are not called in to service, no where is Congress given the authority or power to bestow it on the President or take it away from the President. this is just your imagination

      • Star827

        Oh- I have one question for you.Tell me – why DID you serve? Do you feel you were lied to?I’m glad you don’t agree with all of Obama’s policies-so tell me-if you are/were still active duty,and you received orders to do something you did not agree with,and you considered unlawful,would you just blindly follow orders,or would you “disgrace the uniform” and stand up for what you feel is right?

        • Star827

          By the way that question is for RetMSgtUSMC – sorry if there’s any confusion…

          • RetMSgtUSMC

            Star827. I am retired. But to your point, even though I question some orders I received, I did buy into some lame excuse as the Lt.Col is using here. I will not drink the kool-aid you are serving here. Your arguments here is just a rehash of issues already proven to be false. You just refuse to believe the truth.

          • DaveH

            Our Government has been subverting the intent of the Constitution since Lincoln’s days, and getting away with it because people like you just blindly follow the Leaders. You swear an oath to obey and protect the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Have you adhered to that oath? We have been getting into one undeclared war after another since 1945. Have you resisted those UnConstitutional military escapades?
            It seems to me that you are drinking the kool aid, Sgt.

          • eddie47d

            Dave H; Then all who served in the military would fit under your description including many posters.

          • DaveH

            And?

          • RetMSgtUSMC

            And DaveH just how did Lincoln do this? What did he do to make you believe this?

          • smilee

            DaveH says:
            May 20, 2011 at 6:38 pm

            Davy, Davy you lost the civil war, time to give it up

          • DaveH

            Read the book Sgt. Learn who Lincoln really was, not what the Government schools propagandized you to believe. I mean, come on, doesn’t such glowing imagery of a politician make you just a little suspicious? The people who subverted Jefferson’s vision of a Limited Government and Freedom will tell you anything to get you to blindly follow their lead:
            http://mises.org/store/Lincoln-Unmasked-P324.aspx

          • DaveH

            And Smilee, you ignoramus, as long as you’ve been pestering me, you know I’m from Arizona which was the 48th state admitted to the Union (1912).
            You see, folks, how Liberals operate? If they can’t win with their fabricated facts, they will try to win with personal attacks. Isn’t it going to be a lovely country when they are in power?

      • JC

        I have to say this is the first time I’ve ver been ashamed of and embarressed by a United States Marine.
        Must be an Obama supporter, therefore a communist.

  • R L Baker

    When I went into the Navy in 1960 I had to provide my birth certificate, and again several years later when I was granted my security clearance. In 1985 I had to provide my birth certificate to get a job (at a civilian plant)along with two other forms of photo identificcation. Why should the president be any different? Mr Lakin was right in the basic idea. We hold in high reguard a man who has never held a job, run a business, met a payroll, or done anything to advance the nation and yet condem a man who has put his life on the line for the country. The sooner Obama is out of office the better.
    RLB USN (ret)

  • Wayne937

    Let me ask a question. Do you remember the police officer that was ordered to go to Washington D. C. to get interrogated by the president after that police officer arrested the president’s friend? When the police officer answered a call about some one breaking into a home, wasn’t he just doing his job? Why did Obama have to humiliate him, and have him go to the White House so he could be, well embarrased by the president. Obama is a self centered person that thinks he is better than we are. I don’t like egotiscal people who are in love with themselves. Obama does not have any reason to feel this way. He has associated himself with people like the mad bomber of the early 70′s, Bill Ayers, the real estate Mogul, Tony Rezko, who is now serving time in prison and some many more just like these folks. The Liberal Idiots on this forum can have Obama, but I feel most decent honorable law abiding people would never vote for anyone like Obama

    • Thamera

      Exactly Wayne937 I was thinking of that very same incident when I read this article…And people like smilee et al can’t see past the cardboard facade that was sold to the American people…sad,sad,sad.

  • http://outlookexpress Edwin

    Many of you keep saying that Lakin should have resigned and then brought up the issue. All of you that feel this way need to buck the government and then say that there is a difference. The government feels that all citizens are under the government and anyone defying government will be delt with accordingly. Unless you are a union person, one of the crooked government or one of those feeding off the efforts of others and has a job try holding them to the laws as you are required to do. The only responsibility of our federal government is the security of this country yet they refuse to close our borders to criminals entering at free will. All the czars are unlawful, the giveaways and any number of things going on in our government.
    You break the law though and see what YOUR federal government does. You will find that to them you were born into servitude to a government that insist on having the authority and iron hand over its citizens.

  • azwayne

    Wayne937, are you trying to intimate that birds of a feather flock, and you are who you associate with, THUGS< MUSLIMS<RACISTS<MOBSTERS<LIARS< CHEATS<THIEVES<NARCISSIST<ARABS<

  • Denno

    The birth certificate copy comes out with no forewarning and is accepted as “gospel” by the media and now the issue is “over”. I say bull. There are people out there that know a thing or two about verifying documents. Remember when Dan Rather came out with a so called official Nat. Guard document that was printed with a font that wasn’t even in existence at the time. Attached is an eyeopening message from a guy that apparently knows his business. I hope this site accepts it.Click here: YouTube – Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator – Official Proof 1 ( Layers )

    • Denno
    • Wayne937

      Denno, I would really hate you see you work as an investigator. You would never get a conviction since your investigative skills are zero. The only way to solve this is to have the ink checked on what they say is the original birth certificate by an independent lab for age. This can be done. I would think your kind would also want a legitmate president, not some phony. If they would do that, then I would be satified, and I think most of the others would also.

  • Baba

    I look eagerly for Lt. Col. Terry Lakin’s future book. As a matter of fact, it may make a wonderful historical movie! Granted Lt. Col. Lakin had to follow military command/protocol and would be found guility as charged. That is how the military works. Even I as a military wife, now retired, had to keep my mouth shut during the Johnson and Nixon days. Whatever presidential issues I disagreed with had to remain mum and not expounded because this could ruin my husband’s military career. The military court would say that my military husband did not have his dependent under control. I wish Lt. Col. Lakin had waited for retirement then write a poignant book. It will make very good reading, after the fact. Lt. Col Lakin was right about showing birth cirticicate. Even the public must do this many times for legal reasons. What makes a potential President any different? Right now, the Commander in Chief has it made as far as the military comments go. When a great deal of military personnel are retired, I look for a number of interesting, powerful books to be written about the incompetance of their highest leader.

  • Laurie

    It really doesn’t matter where he was born; McCain wasn’t born in the USA either.

    What matters is whether both parents were US citizens at the time of birth. McCain’s were, Obama’s weren’t. Obama’s father was Kenyan.

    Of course, the founders understood a person’s point of view is largely a result of their parents’ experiences; that’s why they require the president to be a “natural born citizen” (which means the parents have to be Americans).

    This is not a minor matter; the lessons Obama learned from his father were the basis of his belief system. His belief system is NOT that of folks whose parents are Americans. Nearly everyone knows that now.

    Hawaii issues different kinds of birth certificates. Hawaii is unusual in that respect, because of their geography. The kind Obama has they give to anyone living who has one person who will swear they have personal knowledge the birth was in Hawaii (a standard any illegal alien can probably meet). But whether he was born in Hawaii is really irrelevant.

    • chow

      I like what you wrote. This is exactly why the word “NATURAL born” was used by the founding fathers in the constitution instead of “NATIVE born” which is anyone born in the U.S. of A. and it’s territories.

      • RetMSgtUSMC

        So Laurie, using your definition, does that make President Obama white since his mother is white.

        • Thamera

          What? That doesn’t even make sense USMC…Obama is just as much white as he is black…it is Obama that rejects his “white” heritage (he has said as much on more than one occasion) even though by all accounts his mother was an American hating, communist who probably wished that she herself were black. But hey, your okay with that, so are millions of other half-asleep, brain dead Americans who can’t see past the cardboard facade that was sold to America….birth certificate aside, that is what is pathetic.

          • RetMSgtUSMC

            I am going to bust a gut laughing at these comments. Talk about being brainwashed. Oh my God. Ooops I had better not says that because someone may get upset because I used God name on here. ROTFLMAO

          • Thamera

            Care to elaborate USMC? Ever read any of Obama’s OWN writings? I suppose in your mind Rev. Wright for example is what….just mainstream America? Now that’s the laugh.

        • JC

          RetMSgtUSMC says:
          May 20, 2011 at 3:39 pm
          So Laurie, using your definition, does that make President Obama white since his mother is white.
          __________________________________________________________
          Obama is mulatto.
          But you might ask yourself if perhaps you are an idiot because your parents were democrats?

  • Bob Marshall

    Aas a Marine veteran of three Vietnam tours i remember likr so many of the horrors of war. I just saw a youtube video with a report that 90%of the deaths were civilians. Vietnam it was 50% The US calls it collateral damage.I guess the bombs that were and are still being dropped containing deplated uranium is not considered wepons of mass destruction. 578,000babies born in Iraq sine the first invasion were and are still deformed. This report comes from The World Health Organization. now, Obama has a veteran locked up. If you thought Hilter was bad, just wait until the US attacks Iran.

  • JeffH

    Some of you might do well to read up on and throw some support to this patriotic organization – The Oath Keepers

    Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution

    Our motto is “Not on our watch!”

    http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

  • Star827

    Nice- I’ve tried to post my evidence supporting my statements 3 times now and it won’t post…

    • Carlucci

      Star827 – keep trying. I couldn’t get on a bunch of times this morning. It was probably because so many people were on the site and blogging.

      • Star827

        Thank you,Carlucci- As you can see,I decided to just make it easier :)

      • libertytrain

        Carlucci – I couldn’t get on easily this morn either and I think it was because of this article – :)

    • Star827

      My guess is that is won’t post because of all of the links in it.So,I’ve posted the whole thing here: http://star827-mysoapbox.blogspot.com/2011/05/evidence-for-obamas-ineligibility.html

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The site was acting up this morning.

  • FreedomFighter

    All you need to know about OBAMA:

    Destroyer of America, one of many in a long line of puppets for evil.

    What confounds me is who or what controls the single minded multi-generational program that these evil people adhere to.

    The controller seems inhuman.

    The evil nature of this Progressive/Liberal/Marxist agenda and its purpose of enslavement of the world is so indescribably evil, hideous and repulsive that it implies an inhuman nature or source.

    The evil entitie(s) behind this slow incremental enslavement of mankind are in my opinion satanic in nature, naturally psychopathic, born pitiless, certainly merciless they will lie, torture, kill, exploit and enslave as a matter of course. They consider the human race cattle to be exploited and used, we are not.

    They are pure evil and must be resisted.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • BrotherPatriot

      The people you speak of worship Satan and believe him to be good. They see him as the “light bringer” and revealer of secret knowledge that only THEY get to know. They see it all as Them & the rest of Us.

      That alone should tell you something about them. They consider the rest of us as “useless eaters” & “the great unclean”. Here is something else you need to know about THEM. They are in every country and have infiltrated all the levels of public & government offices. They have branches not only all over the world but these branches are called by different names…even furth blurring the lines.

      They infiltrate both sides of conflicts and so even when their main objective is thwarted…they still help the “winning” side evolve towards their original goal.

      They are well connected and with modern day technology…they are able to do so much more now than ever before.

      But the end will be the same. All will be brought down & ruined…perhaps even reset…as evil will always destroy itself. However, great harm & damage they will bring into all of our lives before the end.

      Our statue of Liberty is not what she seems. She was not a gift to us by the Government of France…but by this same group who at first were going to try & get it set up outside Egypt. The Statue of Liberty means many things to many different people but the original intention is not AT ALL what the vast majority of the public believe her to be.

      She is the rebuilt Collosus of Rhodes…a tribute to their “light bringer”…in that time he was named Helios.

      Lt. Col. Terry Lakin is a Patriot beat down by those controlling the system as it stands. May that yet change & change soon.

      God Bless.

      • Kate8

        BrotherPatriot – So right on all counts.

        These evil ones will be brought low one day, and many of us will be sacrificed in the process.

        But, hey. We always knew we’d go sometime. Let ‘em give it their best shot.

        I don’t believe violence is the answer, either. The system understands violence, even relishes it and incites it.

        No, we must just stop playing their game. We must disconnect from the matrix, stop listening and responding. They need us to participate, especially to revolt. What we need to do is to turn away from them, and turn back to what we have always known to be true.

        • BrotherPatriot

          Agreed…& it’s nice to see ya again, kate8. :)

          God Bless & keep up the good fight…in whatever manner that is best for ya.

        • DaveH

          By far, the best course is to educate those around us. But we must be careful to be factual, and provide references as much as possible, because it is human nature to poo-poo the advice of those close to us, but then take that same advice written in a book or magazine as gospel.
          And I continue to emphasize that we must all push for Educational Choice for our children, and for other parents’ children. Note also, that we must distinguish carefully between School Choice and Educational Choice. The former means nothing if the Government controls the curriculum:
          http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=13078

  • Rob

    I find this statement to fit Obama perfectly:….. A nation can survive its fools, even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves against those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

  • chow

    One of the general order we have to memorize in boot camp is to “obey LAWFUL orders”. Interpretation of the lawful is to the discretion of the soldier since it’s not defined. So ordering a soldier to train their weapon to civilians is unlawful to my standard. And the colonel I guess was court martialed for missing movement and the circumstance didn’t matter.

  • chuckb

    just think this could have been avoided altogether if the arrogant ass in the white house had furnished the nation absolute proof of his citizenship, not two phony certificates.
    what is really worrisome are the many people who believe whatever this man and his cronies say and do are accepted as truth.

    netanyahu, apparently isn’t as foolish as the majority of the american people, he just handed the president his lunch on the demands made by
    barry regarding the mid east peace talks. good going netanyahu.

    • Star827

      Exactly.

    • Kate8

      chuckb – Good going, Netanyahu.

      Barry’s demands. What a joke.

      Kick rocks, Barry.

  • Star827

    Oh – and for those questioning whether or not the Iraq War was approved by Congress – yes, it was – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution .
    Oh – and Congress decided a long time ago it doesn’t have to give a “formal” declaration of war – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States .
    So yes,we are LEGALLY,CONSTITUTIONALLY at war…get over it.

    • DaveH

      To be precise, it is still Unconstitutional. Just because Congress abrogates their responsibility does not change the Constitution. We need to recycle the slackers if they won’t do their jobs. They are lazily (or purposely for selfish purposes) handing over more and more power to the President, and at some point in History (maybe really soon) we are going to be stuck with a tyrant as a result.

  • Jim

    In 2012 ,if you think the choice isn’t clear , think again….It is !!!!!!!
    You can vote for a communist,socialist,marxist,muslim, or
    …..An American, its very simple and any red blooded American should
    have no problem making this decision………………
    On may 2, 2011 the US NAVY SEALS killed the number two muslim
    terrorist OF the USA …..In 2012 lets vote out the number one muslim
    terrorist IN the USA,
    BHO = AMERICAS PUBLIC ENEMY MUSLIM TERRORIST NUMBER ONE

    • OldNYFirefighter

      Jim, Obama is a Trojan Horse which most Liberals/Progressives failed to see. They didn’t understand the danger that lurked in Obama. Liberals/Progressives thought a Trojan was a method of STD prevention & didn’t realize they were seeking the wrong kind of Trojan. Now they have to wear what they bought into & unfortunately, so do we.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    I pray all listened to the Prime Minister of Israel just a few minutes ago in his response to President Obama. He spoke with clarity and purpose as he renounced the speech of Obama yesterday in regards to giving up their land. The citizens of the US need to make known our support of Israel at this time.in history. “”WHO KNOWETH IF THOU HAVE COME TO THE KINGDOM FOR SUCH A TIME AS THIS.”
    The prime minister may be the only true statesman we have in the world today

    • RetMSgtUSMC

      Are you afraid Obama may cut of Aid to Isreal. Why are we still giving over 2 Billion dollars a year to Isreal. Note I said giving not loaning.

      • JC

        The same reason we give the same amount to Egypt…to keep them from fighting with each other.
        And! The Kenyan Imposter just pledged a further 2 billion in aid to Egypt over and above that.
        Impeach the African imposter!

        • Thamera

          Not only that I just listened to the Pres. speak about how unified the Christians and Muslims were in Egypt and what a peaceful undertaking their revolt in Egypt was….good gawd…what planet does this man live on? I guess he conveniently “forgot” about the rape and beating of CBS reporter Lara Logan at the hands of these “peace loving” Egyptians. LMAO!

          • JC

            Animals! And Obama is their Zookeeper.

  • William Lord

    When I was in the military I was told that you respect the office regardless of what you might think of the individual. I also do not remember that one had the right to question the credentials of those in the chain of command before obeying an order. You were also supposed to know how to obey orders in order to be fit to give them. How did this person become a field grade officer and be willing to engage in such foolish behavior? What he attempted to do was basically an incitement to mutiny and clearly the military could not condone that. Iny military days I knew many officers and cadre that I considerd under qualified and perhaps of marginal abilities. However, I undrstand the need for order and disciplne for the organization to function. The man is clearly a fool.

    • RetMSgtUSMC

      Agreed

    • Kate8

      If our military must serve and obey anyone holding the office of president, even if there is credible evidence that he is a usurper, then the people of America have virtually no protection against our enemies taking control.

      Our military is there to protect US. We have an enemy as POTUS. If our military can’t protect us from him, who will?

  • jopa

    WAYNE 937:You rattled off a bunch of names like Ford Marconi and the Wright brothers as being Conservative.Well I did a little talking to Jesus last night and he said he was a Liberal.So you can just put that in your pipe.Have a good one.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Which Jesus?

    • Kate8

      jopa – You libs love to claim Jesus is a liberal.

      Okay. List the reasons to support that. So far, I haven’t seen any.

      If you say He helped the poor, He did. And yes, He said we should, too. But we are to do it VOLUNTARILY, out of love, not out of coercion.

  • http://Myyahoo Ralph R.

    Hang all who have committed treason in the whitehouse,obummer has tarnished the whitehouse,replace his entire administration,he has more
    islamic friends of his working for him…not for Americans!
    Here are more who need to be kicked out of office,Harry Reid,Pelosi,schumer and keep people like kissinger out of the whitehouse,he isn’t an elected official,he’s one of the schemers of
    what goes on around the world,one world government is on the rise,oh
    another thing who said the military won’t aim their weapons at americans,they don’t but they train others to do the dirty work for them,(the Russians,the Chinese etc.,anymore?from other countries?

  • http://Myyahoo Ralph R.

    I salute you “Sir” for standing your ground,against a non-American!
    The birther is a fake,it took to long to bring it out,and why did
    Mr.Trump really drop out of the race for Presidency,to abrupt for me
    someone whispered in his ear?
    Stand up to oppression this election coming to a town near you,Ron
    Paul is an American,he dosen’t hide his birth certificate and use
    millions of dollars of american money to hide it.
    “God-Bless Americans and the unity with Israel.”

    • RetMSgtUSMC

      And I guess you also support the U.S. giving 2 Billions dollars to Isreal also? What about all the American jobs that have gone to Isreal. You really don’t want to go there. There is a lot about Isreal the American people would like to know but that is being hidden from them.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        I can’t believe that you ever were in the military with your dumb ramblings.

        • eddie47d

          N.B. As opposed to your “smart” ramblings? and M Sgt we give $4 billion a year to Israel not 2.

          • DaveH

            Our Government should not be giving taxpayer money to anybody. It’s not their money to give.

  • FuLL10

    Does the name and a reference to Patric Henry (Revolutionary times)ring a reference bell for anyone. He bucked the establishment and died for his political convictions.

  • AUGUST REKAR

    Oboma is just being used by the powers to be and when they aredone with him he will be tossed like a peace of trash.

  • govtrumbull

    Numerous opinions about this subject have been given. But perhaps the most important issue is that of “lawful orders” and who issues them. If President Obama is not constitutionaly eligible to be President; I don’t think he is; does he have the authority to issue orders at all?

    Additionally, are members of the military; from the Joint Chiefs to the newly sworn recruit; obligated to follow his orders?

    Other issues in regards to lawful orders are the questions of morality, legality, intent and the collateral results of the orders given by any leader. Hitler was the legally elected leader of Germany. The people chose him. But were his staff and their subordinates legally bound to follow his orders? If they were, the extermination camps were legal. The invasion of Germany’s neighb

    • govtrumbull

      (Sorry, I hit the touchpad by mistake, comment continued:)

      The invasion of Germany’s neighbors would have been legal and all of the other orders against natural law would have been legal as well. Hitler was viewed as a criminal and it was a rightful decision as well as those who carried out his orders. The same goes for unelected leaders such as Lenin, Stalin, Kruschev, Idi Amin, Castro, Mao, and a host of other tyrants that issued orders that took the lives, rights and liberties of their own people.

      The right to lead in America is outlined by the United States Constitution. If someone does not hold basic qualifications as outlined in the constitution, the orders that they issue are illegal. The constitutionality of every issue is the standard that needs to be used when exploring, debating and ultimately judging the correctness and validity of orders given and the laws made in Congress.

      The conviction of Lt. Col. Lakin and individual opinion about his punishment under the UCMJ should be judged by weither or not the person issuing the orders held the authority to issue any order in the first place. Would the President hold the legal authority to issue an order to confiscate all small arms and enforce the rules of the UN Sall Arms Treaty if it is passed by the Senate? Would the Senate have the right to enter into a treaty with any “NGO” such as the UN? How can it be possible to constitutionaly enter into a treaty with a “non-governmental entity?

      Defying the authority as outlined in the constitution puts America on a slippery slope. Every time the constitution is defied, there are consequences that result in damage to our liberties and freedoms.

  • RetMSgtUSMC

    1. Certificate of Live birth is what every Hawaii Citizen is given. It is accepted in order to get a passport.
    2. Where is the video of him saying that?
    3. Where is the video of her saying that?
    4. That has been proven to be a fabrication even by the author own Friend. Listen to the whole interview.
    5. Again where is the video of her saying that?
    6. The seal is on the back of the document.
    7. Who are these experts that are making this claim? I would like to know who they are so I can check on their creditability.
    8. Where are these certificates and again who are these experts?
    9. Since I have relatives who were adopted, none of their birth certificate was amend. Their biological parents are still listed on their birth certificates.
    10. Show me that application. Since Occidental has a strict privacy policy and they have refused all request based on this policy how is this a fact?
    11. I found a lot of wild speculation but nothing of fact. All on anti-Obama sites.
    12. Show me documentation that support he used this name on college application from reliable sources.
    13. What Kenyan birth certificate? Who is the person that says such a document exist and that it is factual.
    14. Show me those documents?
    15. He did not have to applied for U.S. Citizenship since he was already a citizen. Very lame
    16. Where does it say both parent have to be a citizen of the United States? Since the legal definition of “natural born” has never been taken up by the Supreme Court how can you claim that your definition of natural born is correct? Don’t confuse the cases dealing with the 14th amendment as definitive proof. None of those directly defines the meaning the of natural born. Go find me the specific case that defines this term.
    17. OK, on this one you really have to get Hillary to provide the evidence. This is just way out in left field.
    None of the links you provide contain any unbias information. Everything is anti-obama. Now I am not as gullible as you to believe just site that are against him. What about providing link that have been neutral to him. Just the facts. SR-511 is a non-binding resolution. But to your point, in the 3rd paragraph is clearly states ” Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;
    ” has NOT been defined.
    The references you provided that are from unbiased sources if read in their entirety clearly negates most of what you have said here.

    • RetMSgtUSMC

      Sorry this comment is for Star827

      • Star827

        Hey RetMSgtUSMC – Did you just skim those links that were of LEGAL OPINIONS and NOT on ANY politically biased web sites? Did you NOT see the Constitutional quotes and those from the Federalist papers? I don’t think those documents are “anti-Obama”.If most of what I posted is negated most of the way through the article,tell me why I’d post it? Oh-you can’t-because I wouldn’t post it if it was contradictory to itself.Seriously-I have put a LOT of time and research into this.I looked at ALL websites and documents pertaining to the issue on both sides.I believe that is the only true way to gain knowledge.So,you can think what you will.Someone else posted a VERY interesting link you might want to check out – http://beforeitsnews.com/story/76/526/Proof_Positive:_Documents_Showing_Obama_Was_Born_In_Kenya,_Africa.html . It has “visual aids” for even the biggest skeptics.

  • Dee

    It really stinks that LTC Terry Lakin had to go to prison on account of that s.o.b. obummer. There is a lot of people out here that would like to know if he is really eligible to be president. There has been several versions of his birth certificate and we’d like to know if any of them is real. The s.o.b. obummer will never tell the truth.

  • Larry Owens

    I am a vietnam vet 1971 and I am so glad I did not have to be under his commander in chief.

    He is nothing but a joke, makes fun of every thing that is against him and acts like Royalty kingly. He is destroying our country from within. He hates our constitution and is taking our freedoms & liberties away from us. If he is re-elected then I know our country is done for. Welcome to communism obuma style, him and the rest of the Elitist running our country in to the ground need to be run out of office. Now all it takes to get in Gov. positions is have enough money to buy your way in.

    He shows a fake copy of his BC and expects us to like him but if one of our brave soldiers questions his eligibility to be pres. then they throw him in jail.

    I respect Lt Col. Lakin and his right to be assured obuma is qualified to be pres. Thank you Col Lakin for your dedication, service and sacrifice to our country, something obuma can never state. Obuma is a coward, non-american, muslim in disguise and a Disgrace to American.

    • RetMSgtUSMC

      Well Larry I too am a Vet and I feel that Lakin has brought discredit on the his rank and the uniform. As long as there are people like you and Lakin who believe in this birther issue. The more people like me will call you on it. This is a load of B/S and you know it. And just for the record I do view all sites for information even the most wackiest one looking for the truth. All you birther may want to do that instead of continuing to drink the birthers kool-aid.

      • Jovianus-nemisis

        Nice Disguise Jovianus!

      • Larry Owens

        you are just a brain washed retiree.
        but thanks for your service.

        I gave my 2 cent opinion and you gave your 2 cent opinion.
        you believe what you want and I will believe what I want.

        obuma is still a coward no matter JMHO.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Who pays your salary to post here?

      • JC

        RetMSgtUSMC says:
        May 20, 2011 at 3:53 pm
        Well Larry I too am a Vet and I feel that Lakin has brought discredit on the his rank and the uniform. As long as there are people like you and Lakin who believe in this birther issue
        ______________________________________________________________
        What’s not to believe eddieflashjovidenniso?
        He’s an absolute JOKE and an absolute IMPOSTER.
        Catapult the kenyan! :)

  • http://aol Claude

    You should know by now Obama is running for President of the future Islamic nation,right from the start.

  • http://aol Claude

    You should know by now ,this President is not for America.He is running for the future Islamic nation President.Ret/Army

  • http://aol Claude

    Void

  • Blueshoes

    Since the subject of The MOTUS has been dominating a good part of the conversations here, I’m jumping in to put this thought across.

    My understanding is that the Koran prohibits a Muslim to lie to another Muslim but it is OK and PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE for a Muslim to lie to an Infidel… which we all are. THAT being the case, knowing that the big “O” (who I believe is a Muslim) is constantly lying and getting caught at it, how… How… JUST HOW would we know WHEN he would be telling the truth, along with any OTHER Muslim? HOW do you trust the word of ANY Muslim? I’m just saying!

  • OldNYFirefighter

    Whether or not SR-511 was binding or not is not the point. The point is that it was a confirmation by Congress that McCain was in fact a Natural Born Citizen “because” both parents were US Citizens. Congress specifically states he is Natural Born due to both parents being US Citizens. This brings us back to the Birth Certificate. Hawaii gave out Certificates of Live Birth to children not born in Hawaii at that time period. If Obama was born in Kenya, he would not even be a Citizen because his Mother was not old enough to transfer her Citizenship to Obama. She was 18 & would have had to be 19 to transfer Citizenship. All I am asking is for a valid copy of his Vault BC, verified by a Congressional Committee of both Political Parties, that says he was born in Hawaii. If it is verified as a fact, so be it. Congress will have to again make a determination that Obama is or is not a Natural Born Citizen. I think that will be hard to do since they already determined both Parents have to be Citizens. This should stop the controversy of is he or isn’t he eligible. I have nothing personally against Obama, that said, I do not like his blatant disregard for the Constitution or the lies being perpetuated by this Administration. I have a candidate in mind I hope will run against Obama in 2012 & he is also black, so skin color is irrelevant to me. If we are to get past this, it will have to be resolved either by Congress or SCOTUS (which I don’t believe will happen). Calling each other names only divides this Country further. God knows we already have enough other enemies without recruiting more. By the way, RetMSgtUSMC, thank you for your Service to this Country which still has much more free choice than any other.

    • RetMSgtUSMC

      First off OldNYFirefighter, thank you for put your life on the line for others. Your service is just as important as mine. Just to be clear OldNYFirefighter only the Senate passed this non-binding resolution. Not the whole Congress. This link may provide you a clearer answer as to whether President Obama’s mother could pass on the U.S. Citizenship to him. http://www.uscitizenship.info/citizenship-library-children.htm I can understand your frustration with some of the thing this administration has done. However, I would counter with , both Bush’s, Clinton, Reagan and Carter did the same thing but where was the outcry then. For me it is not about the color of his skin. If all of Congress really had a problem with his citizenship do you not think, formal investigation would have been call for. Even with the Republican as a minority now the majority if there is still doubt why haven’t they call for this. Could the reason be that more cooler head understand this is a non-issue? I would like to know where you got the information about his mother’s age not being legal to transfer citizenship? Also where you got the info about how Hawaii gave out Certificates of Live birth.

  • American Citizen

    I know two black persons who would make good candidates for President. That said, Obama still has not shown a valid birth certificate. What he has shown is not the same things. Anyone can get a “Certificate of Live Birth.” All it proves is that you were not aborted.

    • JC

      I’d vote for Alan Keyes in a heart beat.

      • Carlucci

        Me, too. Alan Keyes totally rocks.

  • Dr. Charles W. Heckman

    As a Vietnam War veteran, who had been denied employment in the United States for the 43 years since my honorable discharge and had to pursue a career as a scientist in foreign countries for foreign and international employers, I have to ask myself whether the members of our armed forces should currently be defending our lawless government at all. After all, 43 years of being denied all employment opportunity in my native country is too high a price to pay for the privilege of defending my country on the battlefield. I have attempted to secure my rights to veterans preference in federal and state employment several times in court and before the Merit System Protection Board and have encountered the most blatant fraud committed by judges, administrative judges, and federal attorneys defending criminal civil servants. The fraud is overt and obvious, but the rulings and decisions never see the light of day because the press refuses to report what is happening to veterans. All of the proof is in documents piled around my house. So are the records of the many rejection letters received from federal contractors, mainly colleges and universities, who the law says should be ineligible to receive federal funds if they to not extend affirmative action benefits to veterans. They get away with violating this part of the federal contract because of malfeasance at the U.S. Department of Labor, which is supposed to protect veterans but does not. Average Americans are thankful enough to veterans who defended them, but they keep electing Democrats or Republicans who covet the money that must be appropriated for veterans and therefore want federal agencies to see to it that most veterans die young and destitute. According to recent estimates, only 850,000 of the 2.7 million Americans who served in Vietnam are still alive. According to the average life expectance of American men, we would expect that half of the Vietnam vets should have lived beyond 2020. Could what is happening be considered the American Cultural Revolution? Is it wise for a young American to join the armed forces and thereby make himself the target of government reprisal after his service is completed?

  • chuckb

    it seems that a person has preference to be president if he is black. i think some are carrying the guilt complex from the slavery era. they think making a black person president is pay back from previous wrongs.
    this kind of thinking got us barry soetoro. a man who has refused to document his birth, who has spit on america, i believe is a muslim, a complete failure as president and a fraud.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/story/76/526/Proof_Positive:_Documents_Showing_Obama_Was_Born_In_Kenya,_Africa.html

  • Bambucha

    As soon as the law of ‘Posse Commitatus’ is violated, The President ceases to be a representative of “The People”. Until then, no matter how he twists and distorts the values of the nation he is the ‘duly elected official’.
    The President is only a symptom of the disease that has gripped the USA by the gonads. He is not the ONLY symptom. That would be lending him too much importance in the scheme of things. PC has displaced common sense. The voters have grown used to entitlement at the trough. Politicians are entirely too chummy with big businesses (see:’the trough’)
    As soon as this nation reaches the ‘tipping point’; whereby the amount of people beholden to the payrolls of government is combined with the ‘ignorant’(or are they already combined? just saying…)
    Guess what comrade pipples, you are now a member of the glorious Socialist system, or else. You will have no choice; kind of like Obamacare?

    I am from Hawaii, and I don’t believe in the supposed birth certificate.
    It sure doesn’t look like mine.

    • Jovianus

      Where is yours? No need to opost it..it’s fake. I know for a fact you were probably born in some remote mountain village of peru and are here to subvert the true cause of liberty. I mean, our forefathers were wise when they stated this country is only for what I and a few narrow mionded wacked out mental cases say it is (errr…let me see if i can pull a quote from somewhere twist it out of context, place it outside it’s historical era and apply it here to “prove” my point) ….

      etc etc etc

      • Thamera

        You can’t even do that well Jovi…let alone answer the most simplest of questions of what it is that YOU do…as for your attempt at satire…quite pathetic and one more indication that you have no clue as to the original intent of the constitution or the philosophies, beliefs, principles and values it was founded upon. Jefferson had a clear warning about people like you…I have quoted it many times now…oh and just to be clear because you are so confused about this matter Thomas Jefferson is considered to be a founding father..k? Might want to take a note of that so you can remember who the founding fathers are….

        • Jovianus

          Whatever quote you wwere going to cite from jefferson…was it made before or after he assumed the office of presidency? because what he stated before assuming that office, and what his views were while in office are contradictory y’know. I shouldn’t have to point that out since you do teach government…don’t you?

  • R. Smullen

    Every soldier should question Obamas right to send them into harms way. There are still mistakes in this new birth certificate. I guess whoever made it up did not pay attention to ALL the details. Such as the name of the hospital where Obama was supposed to have been born. The name of the hospital on the certificate did not come into use untill 1978. Obama was born in 1961. On the birth certificate it says his father was born in Kenya, Kenya did not get its name untill 1963. So how did those mistakes make it into his so called original birth certificate? Explain that Obama. What idiot did you get to fake your birth certificate?

  • http://www.homebasedbusinessmatrix.info Leonard Martin

    I encourage every American who cares about the US Constitution and what it stands for to watch these two videos and contact your Congressmen and women and demand they uphold their oath of office just like Lt Col terry Lakin attempted to do before he was cut off at the knees.

    Barak Hussein Obama admits he is not eligible to be President of the USA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJgY86nmEHc&feature=player_embedded

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJlHfTEvlCY&feature=player_embedded

    copy & paste the links into your browser to watch them. This fraud against the USA has got to come to an end with justice being served.

    • RetMSgtUSMC

      So Leonard are you telling every American Serviceman and woman that they had better not marry anyone from another country. Because if they do, then have their children born overseas then they will NOT be American citizens thus not be able to run for President. These video make no sense whatever. I am sure that every servicemember really appreciate the fact that you birthers can determine if their children born to them and their foreign spouse are not American citizen. That is the biggest insult the our troops I have ever seen. If you take every work literally that is exactly what you are telling our service members.

      • JC

        Well that’s it…you’re the first (so called) Marine I’ve ever been completely disgusted by…so you must be a lying imposter too.
        The point is that OBAMA is NOT eligible to be POTUS.
        And that has nothing to do withcitizenship status of the children born to servicemen…and how did you pull that out of it anyway you twisted freak?

        • RetMSgtUSMC

          Hey Jay, I will type this very slowly just for you. If this video which emphasize being born to 2 U.S. Citizen parents is the bases for your argument, then every child born to a U.S serviceperson married to a foreigner while station overseas and having children while there is not a U.S citizen. Is that simple enough for you. I hope I did not use too many big words for you.

          • JC

            Really? I was born on a US base overseas and I have a genuine Birth Certificate proving I’m an American…Obama does not.
            And your still a twisted freak. ;)

  • Jay

    I think everyone here missed Lt. Col. Terry Lakin’s point! Since the Lt. Col. had serious questions regarding obama’s eligibility as Commender in Chief, prior to the command to deploy, in that obama refused to provide proof, not just to the Lt. Col., but to all Americans, and has only managed to produce a fake, naturally, then, Lt. Col. Lakin regarded the command to deploy to Afghanistan, or any order coming from the fake potus, as coming from an illegitimate source, therefore, he was in his right, not only to demand proof that obama was legitimate, but also, to refuse to obey the command, or any other command, until obama did so!!! A soldier is not a machine, but a thinking human being! Obey orders? Yes! Obey orders blindly, without question, even though you know that the Commander in Chief is an impostor, is not an American citizen, has no military experience, has no military awards or decorations, probably has no idea how to fire a weapon, is the enemy of the United State of America ? Non-sense, also dangerous! His record clearly shows, that the Lt. Col., clearly,is not in the habit of disobeying orders, and, as he had questions, that we also, the American people have, had the patriotic common sense and the courage, that obviously the upper chain of command lacks, to refuse to obey orders, until such time as proper proof was provided. Why in the world would that be considered grounds for a court marshall? Absolutely idiotic! We are talking about a highly decorated veteran, with vast military experience, not a wet behind the ears private! The Let. Col. should be displayed as the shinning example of courage and integrity to all Americans, and especially, to the American military of what a true soldier is all about! I salute you, Let. Col. Terry Lakin, for having the courage and the integrity to stand up, and stand against, the impostor and enemy of our country!!! May many more patriots soldiers follow your most excellent example, and May God Bless you and keep you safe!

    • RetMSgtUSMC

      The only thing the Lt. Col displayed was how stupid he was. The president citizenship has been proven way to many time but yet you birthers refuse to accept that. Even the Governor of Hawaii, who at the time this because an issue was a Republican. and who was backing John McCain for president, seen and verified his birth certificate. But even coming from the Governor of Hawaii the birthers are not satified. That is why none of the birthers commons has any validity. If she was part of a coverup don’t you think by now the Republicans would have spilled the beans.
      And to R. Smullen there is nothing to question. People with common sense know this whole thing is a bunch of B/S.

      • JeffH

        YOU RetMSgtUSMC are a fake. You’re no more a RetMSgtUSMC than the man on the moon. You’re a phony, a fake!

        What shall we call you tonight or tomorrow? Jovi-commie, HFlashman, AmericanLiberal, mick, Jeremy…what?

        • eddie47d

          Well Jeff you are a fake AND a phony especially coming from someone who never served. You think everyone is going to run from you and not be allowed to voice their opinion just because of your constant name calling?! You’re stupping pretty low in these assumptions about others.

          • libertytrain

            Kids – time to chill -

          • http://deleted Claire

            libertytrain—I agree. Time to chill out. We are all in this mess together whether we like it or not.

          • JeffH

            In your case 47Stupid, your stupidity cannot be fixed. Quit being stupid and you’ll see some changes, keep being stupid and I’ll continue to highlight it, not that anyone can’t see it anyway.

          • Jay

            Stupid is as stupid does! Btw, what the hell do you know about soldiering eddie? You liberal bigmouth hack!!!

          • RetMSgtUSMC

            To Jay all the other that want to buy into this birther issue. I have nothing to prove to any of you because you will never believe the truth. You will continue with this B/S no matter what. If there was a shred of evidence that the President was not a U.S. Citizen, given the disrespect many in Congress have shown towards him don’t you think by now they would have brought that to light.
            All given that the Republican has done everything to see him fail, would they have not presented to the American people substantial proof he was not quailified. Since that has not happened, they realized only the weak minded is buying into this. They are steering clear as to not be made to look like fools. Your can call me all the names you want but that does not take away my ability to says what I want. Also call me fake all you want that too does not take away the fact I served honorable and faithful. When did you serve?

          • JeffH

            47Stupid…a clear case of the “pot and the kettle”. Speaking of conjecture, you don’t even know me and you say I didn’t serve?

            FYI, it’s “stooping”. As for bullying, you again are using conjecture, that’s not my style, that is clearly yours…you’re the one who constantly shouts out orders on this website telling people to “shut up” whether a comment is directed at you or not. As for me and my style? I call it aggressive because I refuse to cower to the cowards like yourself and happen to love my freedom and liberty and stand up for it, unlike yourself who has clearly chosen to be a minion and take the low road of allowing others to direct your thought process.

            Can you say Polly want a cracker? bbbaaarrraaaccckkk!

          • eddie47d

            Jeff; The only thing you love is yourself and listening to your self in front of the mirror. Folks can see through your low life name calling and it will catch up with you. If you want to keep acting like a child with silly name calling we’ll have to put your training wheels back on.

          • JeffH

            …as 47Stupid chimes in with his interpretation of “I am Sheeple” with his chorus of “baaaaaaaaa, baaaaaaa, baaaaaaaaa”!

          • JeffH

            47Stupid says “Folks can see through your “LOW LIFE” name calling and it will catch up with you.”

            No one would know that more than you Mr 47″I never called anybody a name that was dummer than me”!

        • RetMSgtUSMC

          Hey Jeff it is nice to see you exercising the rights that I protected. If you had served you would know there is nothing you can say to demean my honorable service. I spent 22years of my life defend your right to say the things you are saying. So please continue with your hatred. It makes me feel good to see you exercising your rights.

          • Jay

            RetMSgtUSMC, or whoever you are, you are a disgrace, not fit to wear the uniform, if indeed you have served! I suspect you are a fake and a fraud like your beloved spineless, gutless, impostor sitting in the White House! You are both a disgrace!!! The whole military should have stood behind Lt. Col. Laken, who had the guts, integrity and the cahones to stand up to a tyrant. You sound like a spineless, gutless, yellow bellied turncoat!!! You’re a weak arsed human being!!! Soldier? There’s a lot more to soldiering then shooting your gun, DUMBO!!!

          • http://deleted Claire

            Jay—Get a grip. We are all human beings.

          • Thamera

            hmmmm….just watched “We Were Soldiers” last night. Great movie, I thought. And it was of interest that the lt. colonel openly defied orders when he was ordered to return to the base for debriefing he said he wasn’t going to go and hung up on his commanding officers…now you may say that was just a movie, but I suspect that it happens more than not but only Obama will have you jailed for it. Hope and Change! haha

          • Jay

            Claire, a human being without integrity and courage is a worthless human being! In fact, less then human! If we are not moral beings, then what the hell are we? People who have criticized and were complicit in the slander and incarceration of the good and courageous Lt. Col., ought to be ashamed of themselves!!! But, to their credit, and unbeknownst to their pea-sized brains, have managed to shine a light on the exemplary character, integrity and courage of the good Lt. Col., and for the qualities, which they obviously seem to lack. And for that service, I suppose, we should be grateful to the spineless yellow dogs! Lt. Col. Lakin, in my opinion, set a precedent that i’m sure, many more will follow!!!

          • http://deleted Claire

            Jay — Just because someone does not agree with you on everything does not make them a lesser person. Seems to me this is what freedom of speech is all about. You have your freedom of speech and opinions and you definitely are posting them. The same applies to everyone else on this blog. “My way or the highway” seems to be the norm around here. I happen to be my own person and nothing or no one will change my way of thinking. I make my own decisions about issues. And if someone wants to crucify me for this, then let them have at it. I stand by what I post, and if others do not like it, then so be it. I do not have to “explain” myself to anyone, unless I want to. The difference is that I don’t and will not call people names and treat them like crap just because they do not agree with me. I do not have to answer to no one but myself and God.

          • Jay

            Claire, what’s your problem? I don’t recall stating “My way or the highway”! Why play the victim card? Like you, I simply stated my opinion, perhaps too passionately for your taste? Tough, you will get no apologies here!!! Grow up, and stop being such a cry baby!

          • http://deleted Claire

            Jay–Don’t worry, I do not want an apology from you. I probably would not accept it anyway. I do not have a problem, I am simply stating my opinion just like you. Grow up? Crybaby? Go vent your spleen on someone else. You are the one getting all riled up. I do not have to and I won’t stoop to the level of being verbally abusive to people.

          • libertytrain

            Claire – I could not agree with you more. Lately it really seems that if one chooses not to agree 100 % with those on our “own side” about an issue all hell breaks loose. That’s just dumb.

          • http://deleted Claire

            libertytrain—Hey girlfriend! Good morning to you–I am working in the flowerbeds and come in the house ever so often to cool off. Hotter than hades! The humidity is a killer. Drinking iced tea and I get on this site, a good diversion! It has been a good morning. Hope all is well with you and yours!!

          • Jay

            Then don’t respond to my posts, Claire!

          • JeffH

            “RetMSgtUSMC” or fraud? As I said before, you are either a fraud or have dishonored the “Corp”! Your delivery is oh so familiar and your use of the word “hatred” brings several other posters to mind. Which one are you?

            FYI, served in RivDiv 531 on PBR 110 and 116. Was trained at both Coronado, California, and Mare Island, California before deployment to Nam on 31 August 1970. Was one of two bluejackets that manned twin-50′s forward or a single 50 aft in the delta region on Can Tho, Rung Sat, My Tho, Ham Luong, and Co Chien arms of the Mekong River.
            Honrably discharged 2 July 1972 with a Purple hearts and an oak leaf cluster.

          • JC

            Jeff this sick little liberal freak is doing his best to earn some credibility by posting as a serviceman, pastor, union man….whatever.
            Absolute psychos….

          • http://deleted Claire

            Jay–Don’t flatter yourself. Be assured I won’t respond to your posts, so do not respond to mine.

          • libertytrain

            Hey Claire – its hot here as well. Have an art show next weekend in the Highlands so it’s a bit crazy right now.

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, do you have any other avenue to view your artwork? I would dearly love to see some of it. If you have pictures downloaded that you could share, I’d love to see them. at live dot com

          • libertytrain

            will see what I can do sometime – won’t for a while – am immersed in work and almost unsocial at this point in time :) but I will remember to ask you sometime for info -

          • JC

            RetMSgtUSMC says:
            May 20, 2011 at 8:09 pm
            Hey Jeff it is nice to see you exercising the rights that I protected.
            ____________________________________________________________
            You protected nothing, you’re a liar and a communist.

          • JeffH

            Just an FYI to anyone who questions the service record in my post above, take note that nowhere did I say or indicate that it was my service record. Most of you who know me are aware I was never in the military, classified 1H at my pre-induction physical in June 1969.

            I was making 2 points in that comment:

            1. deception, as liberals do so often…if someone called me out on it all I have to do is point out there assumption was that the service record was mine even though I didn’t say it was

            2. anybody can say anything about themselves. You build credibility by sticking with the facts and therefore become more believable…something that a lot of the liberals have a very hard time doing

        • Jay

          JeffH, this idiot is not a soldier, he sounds like a liberal full of S**T!!! I’ll bet he’s also the pastor, or jovi, or r smith…you know what i’m saying. These liberals are so pathetic!!!

        • RetMSgtUSMC

          In addition, since you do not know me, how do you know if I served or not. Yet you call me a fake and a fraud then a bunch of your kool-aid drinker try and jump on the band wagon. That is why what you say makes no sense at all. You have no idea who I am yet you have followers here that believe every word you have type. Again you prove my point about drinking the birthers kool-aid. Please continue to make yourself look foolish. I defend that right for you.

          • JC

            Because Marines are Americans…you aren’t. You’re a communist.

          • Jovianus

            My FIL was a Marine. Went in on the second wave onto the beaches of Iwo. And he was a life long Democrat and believed Reagan was trash and should have been forced to retire because of senility in the second term. He passed during Clinton’s first term…but I have no doubt he would have supported Hillary in ’08.

            But then…I guess he wasn’t an American because he wasn’t a wacked, right wing drooling candidate for the funny farm ….

        • Larry Owens

          I agree JeffH, the MSGretired or what ever his name is full of Hot Air and defending obuma like a good yes man.

          Any veteran would & should support Col. Lakin

      • Jay

        The president citizenship has been proven? Maybe to an non-thinking idiot such as yourself, no doubt you still believe the world is flat and we all evolved from monkeys!

        • Jack

          Jay your an ass if you really believe that barry is born an American and that that made up paper proves it. Why don’t you and your kind move to the sand country and take barry with you . Dumb ass! Leave us real Americans alone to clean up your presidents mess and then we can get back to a One nation under God country that I fought for.

          • Kate8

            Jack – I think you misread Jay’s post. He’s one of us!

          • Jay

            Jack, read my post again for crying out loud! I was responding to the idiot that calls himself RetMSgtUSMC that claims that obama proved his citizenship to be legitimate! I strongly disagreed with him!!!

          • eddie47d

            Kate 8; “Jay is one of us”. Now that is a scary thought.

          • Jay

            Eddie, you wish I was one of yours, then you would finally have something to work with!!! LOL!

        • RetMSgtUSMC

          I will leave you birther with this. For all the hate and name calling you have done, nothing absolutely nothing has changed. President Obama is still the President. He is still an American citizen. All the lies you have tried to spread has accomplished nothing. Come with some facts then just maybe someone will believe you. Until then please continue to bring a little humor to my life. I love laughing at the comments from the kool-aid drinkers.

          • Jay

            Traitor!!!

          • RetMSgtUSMC

            Jay, now that was funny coming from someone who has never served. Again proving my point that you will invent any type of lie to try and discredit someone. You really need to stop drinking the kool-aid. It is starting to limit your ability make comments. ROTFLMAO

          • Jay

            There is no way to verify that you have served, RetMSgtUSMC???? The truth be told, your unsubstantiated claim that you served is but for the purpose to lend your idiotic line of argumentation credibility! Nice try, lamo-boy!

          • DaveH

            Sgt,
            Kool-aid drinkers? Please. The thing is who knows one way or the other? If the US Government could pull off something like the Lucitania false-flag event, anything is possible. Anybody who doesn’t question Government is the kool-aid drinker.
            We got to this point in our country’s life as a result of not enough people questioning Abe Lincoln who was walking all over the Constitution, and at the same time he was accusing others of doing the same. Politicians are not to be trusted. They are looking out for themselves most of the time.

          • JC

            RetMSgtUSMC says:
            May 20, 2011 at 10:52 pm
            I will leave you birther with this. For all the hate and name calling you have done, nothing absolutely nothing has changed. President Obama is still the President. He is still an American citizen.
            ___________________________________________________________________
            It’s contempt, not hatred. We still have an imposter from kenya in the White House…but not for long.

      • Jay

        And the only thing you displayed when you stated, “The only thing the Lt. Col displayed was how stupid he was”, is what a gutless scared little man you are! And it is no wonder that you criticize Lt.Col. Lakin, for he has the qualities of character that you obviously lack and wish you had!!! Been eating sour grapes, coward?

        • RetMSgtUSMC

          My My My how sensitive we are. Now even Abrabram Lincoln is bad. Too bad all this name calling is not getting you anywhere. You will not believe the truth because as you already know it will destroy all of your arguments. Keep hanging on to all of those lies. I really hope that make you and the others feel better. With the way you attack people that disagree with you shows that you really have a distorted view of free of speech. Just like you can disagree with what I am say, I can disagree with what you are saying. However, you resort to name calling as if that will accomplish something. Oh it does, it makes me laugh. Call me whatever you want. I defended that right for you. But I will never buy off on what is being said here. Because there is more than enough evidence that shows the President is a U.S. citizen. In addition, since a republican governor verified his citizenship, if he was not do you not think John McCain would be making a big stink since he lost. Since he is not I guess John McCain knows he is a citizen. Unless now you will tell me all the big wigs in the Republican party is part of a coverup?

          • Jay

            What’s the matter RetMSgtUSMC, can’t take a little a little exchange! What a wimp! And you served in the Army? You sound more like like a wimpy crying liberal. Would you like a crying towel while you wait for mommy to change your diaper? And speaking of name calling, I do believe you called a highly decorated veteran, stupid! Hypocrite!

          • RetMSgtUSMC

            Hey Jay, looks to me like you are the thin skinned one. All you have done here was everyone that disagrees with you names. Maybe you are the one that need the crying towel. What’s the matter, mommy might take your computer away if she see you crying. LOL But since you cannot address the point I made about Sen. McCain and the republican party being part of a coverup, I guess that prove my point that you will never believe the truth.

          • JC

            Jay, drop psycho freak on his ass…he’s not worth it. Just another whining liberal child.

          • Jay

            JC, I read him correct just as you did way back in the thread! This Shmuck, RetMSgtUSMC, follows in the footsteps of his beloved idiot and pretender in Chief, obamaskunk, they’re both pretenders!!!

          • Jovianus

            Wow..so Jay (or JC, or DaveH, or Thamera, or Vigilant or whoever you are posting under)… such respect for those who have served. Or is it only the “patriotic way’ to show respect to former and current military who hold your wacked out views?

            Just the fact that none have posted denigrating jay for his lack of decorum and respect to a former service member states volumes.

            So tell us…how do you guys cope with the hsame and knowing the vast majority of Americans think you’re dupes and victims

        • Jay

          Wow..so eddie (or bob wire, or smilee, or Robert Smith, or jovianus, or whoever you are posting under)… such disrespect for those who have served. Or is it only the “patriotic way’ to show respect to former and current military who hold your wacked out views?

          Just the fact that none have posted denigrating jovianus for his lack of decorum and respect to a former service member, Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, states volumes.

          So tell us…how do you guys cope with the shame and knowing that the vast majority of Americans think you’re dupes and victims?

          • Jovianus

            I see…you
            ‘re considered an American if you show respect for someone drummed out of the service for failing to obey orders to deploy to a war zone. Man…are you twisted or what?

          • Jay

            The commander in chief is an impostor, therefore illegitimate! Lt. Col. Lakin was in his right to disobey orders! Nothing twisted about that Jovi. Try again putz!

  • Tinman

    OATH KEEPERS: ORDERS WE WILL NOT OBEY

    1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

    2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people

    3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

    4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

    5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

    6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

    7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

    8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control.”

    9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

    10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

    • JC

      Amen Oathkeepers!
      Real Americans. :)

    • BrotherPatriot

      I’m a proud member of the Oath Keepers..

      God Bless all the Oath Keepers out there & the rest of the Patriots of the World who fight the good fight! THEY know who we are and already have us targeted.

      Keep your heads low & the powder dry. The day is coming…

  • chuckb

    jeffh, you got it right jeff, the guys a phony. did you notice when these liberals get in over their ears they want to move on or chill.

  • Bert Cundle

    My Rebelion in the Military, Sent me to H.Q.!
    But bigger than O’Bombas (LEGAL) Birth Cert. Is the FACT, that Being sent by the Pres. of U.S. of A. To Kill Other people ( Women & Childreen & Inocent men) in Other Countries, to permote the Presidents Campain… Under such an absurd Reason,(WAR ON TERROR) LACKING Real Defensive Excusess. ( The War on Terror is Fought on the Peace Treety Agreements!) NOT WITH BOMBS & ARTERLERTY, Foot Solders & Prison Camps!

    • Bert Cundle

      Doubble Standard: Charley Manson has been in Prison 20 + Years… Never Killing anyone. But Being President; opens the door to Geniside.

  • David

    Colonel Larken was railroaded, no doubt about that. There is really no justice in the court system (my daughter works in the courts), it is all about expediency and protecting the status guo. Like Usama’s recent demise, the birth certificate appears to be a fraud. Benazir Bhutto. the former prime minister of Pakistan gave an interview with David Frost in 2007. shortly before her own murder, in which she commented on bin Laden’s murder by Saeed Sheikh, working for the Pakistani secret police. So, (see htp://www.brasschecktv.com under Osama bin Laden is dead and also Bush’s response to a question “Where is Osama? under the same heading) I suspect the burial at sea is a convenient way to hide the coverup.
    Doctor Larken is a courageous man and found out the hard way the perfidy of our government and military. Rutherford B. Hayes, our 19th President, said it best, “A government of the people, by the people and for the people NO LONGER. A government of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations.”

    • Jovianus

      Actually…your ‘quote” you allege is one from Hayes….hate ta tell ya’s this, but there’s nowhere that you could find that attributed to him except blogs on two wacked right wing websites. I very much doubted Hayes would have stated such since he beat back the silver advocates as well as busted the railroad and coal strikes of the time by use of federal troops.

      Criminey….that’s one of the problems with TPers, they make stuff up and then claim it to be true despite all facts to the contrary.

      Jeesh…

  • iam

    From the very beginning, I have made the point that I have always had to prove that I am an American citizen in order to get a job. I demand that the foul stench Ubama prove the same thing in order to infest the White House. It’s as simple as that.

    • Jovianus

      Has any state refused to plce pres. Obama’s name on the ballot because he hasn’t shown proper proof of citizenship? Has any court ruled he wasn’t a US citizen eligible to hold office?

      nuff said

  • Apostate

    We can all see that Lt Col Lakin is a war hero. In Ancient Rome they would have likely made him a Senator, or high official. Whereas Barrack O-Blah-Blah was just an obscure lawyer, chosen by the Zionist elite, to be their replacement useful idiot, when G.W. Bush’s term expired. Rahm Emanuel was his handler, obviously. The US Military has obviously become so politicised that it’s like the Soviet Army of the Stalin era. Speak out and you go to the Gulag! Might we one day see a real-life version of the movie Valkyrie, on American soil?

  • Barney Murrell

    The crux of Chip Wood’s article, “Jailed For Questioning Barack Obama” is a lie. Lt. Col. Lakin took a military oath to “obey the orders of the President… and the orders of the officers appointed over me…”

    Wood’s falsely claims Lakin was punished “because he had the temerity to question whether Barack Obama was Constitutionally qualified to serve as President of the United States and, thus, as his Commander in Chief.,” but that is a false statement. Lakin was court-martialed because he refused deployment.

    The military oath DOES NOT allow military personnel to disobey orders without sufficient reason, and Lakin’s military trial found his reason not pertinent to his deployment refusal.

    Wood’s article insults the integrity of the military officers who presided over Lakin’s trial by claiming it was a “mockery.” Wood writes that the “military judge ruled that the only issues before the court martial were ‘the facts of the matter.’ That is: Did Lakin disobey a lawful order?” but Wood offers no proof that the ruling was unusual in any way from what may be found in another military or civilian court ruling.

    See “Military Orders to Obey or Not Obey?” at http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/militarylaw1/a/obeyingorders.htm.

    • BrotherPatriot

      Barney…Lakin’s military trial was a farce or a kangaroo court at the very least. He was NOT given a fair trial nor allowed to present a defence which is a HUGE obstruction to justice. Your argument is without merit.

      • http://Hotmail.com Marie Az

        I have read too much of your remarks. You all are a bunch of right wing sickos and need to get a life

        • chuckb

          marie, watch it, i’ll call the border patrol and they will send you back home. hasta la vista

        • Jay

          Spoken like an brainless left-wing-sheep! baaah baaah…

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Good bye and good riddance.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          No one forced you to come to this site. You deliberately chose to read what is written. Then don’t bitch.

        • JC

          Actually Marie, what we need to get is our country back.
          We should probably start by ridding ourselves of the cancer in the White House…then move on to the illegal aliens…ship em out!

    • Wayne937

      Barney, when he took that Oath he was assuming that the president would always be a legal president. Remember, he was in a long time before Muslim Obama took office. He also had the guts to go into the military. What branch of service was coward Obama in? Your right! None. It would be hard to take an order from A Muslim President who is an illegal president, and who did not have the courage himself to serve in any branch of the military. He will get his dues in 2012. Then you Libs can go and lick each others sores.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    5-20-11

    Thank you for your great input, OLDNYFIREFIGHTER! I am an Hispanic, born in America, and I know who you are supporting for Persident in 2012! He is my choice,too and a breath of fresh air. I highly regard him as strong, highly intelligent, articulate, says it like it is type of person and I believe that he might just be…the,”Dark Horse”, (a political term for some one who is not well known but wins). We desperately need a man like him! Let’s get him elected.

    How bad is it in the military that all volunteers must show their place of birth, but don’t question the Commander in Chief’s birth place? Even foreigners who join the military, so that they may become citizens, have to give some proof of their birth place. Too bad Trump did not have the Obama birth certificate carbon dated.

    Solution: Let’s vote for a legitimate Commander in Chief and he can exonerate Lt.Col.Lakin shortly after his oath. No doubt there are a few others who have endured grave injustice in the military and the CIA agents who are under investigation. He has my prayers.

    • Wayne937

      Wiselady, we certainly need more Hispanics like you. Thank you.

  • jrsavalas

    You obey orders or face the consequences.It is still your choice,and if you have not served or have been taught about how UCMJ works I can see why you may support a different position of disobedience such as you would in civil process such those that are the majority. In civilian life there are accepted forms of civil disobedience that is protected by several types of laws.This officer knew the rules and took an oath to abide by them.Be it as it may your rights in the military are very different than in civilian life.I would not call him foolish but his comments and actions were unbecoming as an officer and imprudent as a gentleman. Msgt USMC Ret.

  • Dealer Dave

    Lt.Col. Lakin has a sworn duty to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Which means that he must question unconstitutional orders. Military Law does NOT super-cede the Constitution. That is IF the Constitution is still the supreme law of the land… Too bad there aren’t many more like him.
    God bless you Lt.Col. Lakin, and we thank you for your service.

  • Dealer Dave

    If our men and women in uniform are to blindly follow orders no matter the morality or constitutionality of those orders, we are all in deep doo-doo.

  • http://deleted Claire

    Hooray! Here in Illinois, the holders of Firearm Owner’s Identification Cards will remain secret. The Illinois State Police refused to release the names, and supposedly Quinn agrees with them. Quinn has yet to sign the bill but he is expected to do so. And by gosh he better sign it. Attorney General Lisa Madigan wanted the names of all gun owners to be published “because the Associated Press requested the names of all gun owners.” She is nuts. The Associated Press is nuts. Sen. Jeffrey Schoenberg, D-Evanston cast the single “no” vote. He is an idiot for wanting the names of gun owners published. Betcha he won’t be voted into another term. Sen. Kirk Dillard, R-Hinsdale said this: “I don’t believe we should give burglars a map to systematically burglarize our neighborhoods and our farms.” Kirk is correct on this.
    For once, something has been done “right.” No pun intended.

    • DaveH

      It may be, Claire, that the Law of Unintended Consequences would kick in if the list was released. Would-be home intruders would likely avoid the armed households and pick on the unarmed households, thus increasing the desire for unarmed citizens to become armed citizens.

      • http://deleted Claire

        DaveH– Very good point! Perhaps it would be an incentive for unarmed people to purchase a firearm. The home burglaries are on the rise. Plus all people that live in rural areas should be armed, since there are a lot of rural burglaries too. West of Springfield, a lady was taking her morning walk–she lived in the country. When she approached her home, there was a white pick-up truck in her driveway. She called her husband and he told her that he did not know anyone with a white pick-up. She walked into her home anyway, surprised the burglar and he/they killed her. As yet, they have not found the murderer. I do believe in conceal and carry. There are people out there that are getting desparate and it is not getting any better.

        • DaveH

          Good for you, Claire. I wish you good fortune.

    • JeffH

      Claire, hooray for Illinois. This is a victory for all law abiding citizens, not just the gun owners…for a change. My hats off to the Illinois State Police and there commitment to resist AG Madigan on this issue.

      • http://deleted Claire

        JeffH–Hey!! Maybe the Illinois State Police should be running the state of Illinois!! I still wish Chicago would become a state of its own. I would like to be free of Chicago style politics.

        • JeffH

          Wouldn’t that be a gift from GOD. I beginning to think that Illinois is a better place to relocate from California. The anti-gunners are in full assault mode in this state since the election. Come to think of it, it’s never stopped. This state is run by loons and “Moonbeam” Brown who’s beholden’ to the public unions for securing his governorship. Conservatives have minimal representation in Sacramento at the very best…it’s really a shame what this state has become. Honestly, this state has been leading this country into full blown socialism. I believe we’re one presidential election away from being there.

  • Jim Cumber

    You know, as I read this whole Comment section, I cannot fail to ask some key questions:

    If our Founding Fathers were alive, today, what would they think of this whole issue?!

    How many of them would be starting a New American Revolution to clean House (and Senate) and restore the US Constitution to its original status as the Supreme Law of the Land, and remove most of the political hacks who are running this once proud nation into the ground, from the White House on down to the various State Houses?!

    How many would be supporting “Third Party” candidates who would really “Preserve, Protect, and Defend the US Constitution against All Enemies, Foreign and Domestic”, and, if failing to find such Third Parties, resorting to an Appeal to Arms and and the God of Battles to resolve the sorry situation?!

    How many would be marching on Washington, dragging the present Occupant of the White House and those other unfaithful Servants in the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of Government out of their cushy Offices and serve them up as “Jerked Quisling” (by the neck!)?

    And, lastly, when will the American People finally get fed up to the point that they REALLY get so incensed that they actually “throw the rascals out” via a Grand Necktie Party in DC?!

    • DaveH

      First it is necessary for the majority of citizens to come to grips with the fact that everything can’t be controlled. Freedom is scary. Government plays on those fears on both sides of the aisle. But my observation throughout life has been that people behave much better when they are free to make their own decisions, and not free to ride on the shoulders of others.
      There is a party that embraces those concepts — The Libertarian Party.

  • Ronald Johnston

    osama obama

  • jopa

    Claire: One would also have to give a high five to the State Police for not releasing the names.If anyone it may have been in there best interest, but they are the professionals in this matter so I side with them also.

    • http://deleted Claire

      jopa— You are correct. The Illinois State Police do need a “high five” for this fiasco. Thankfully, they have common sense, and yes, they are the professionals.

  • jopa

    Jack, Jay Kate8and JeffH; From what I read in your posts Orly Taits and Donald Trump would be your idea of a great pair to run this country.Too bad Orly wasn’t born here like our current President.

    • JeffH

      jopa, as usual your remarks indicate how clueless you can be sometimes. Just read and comprehend a bit for more clues .

      • Kate8

        JeffH – I see no point in even responding to that nitwit.

        • JeffH

          Kate8, I know you’re right. Hey, forgot to tell you thanks for the Oath Keeper’s link. As you can see I liked what I read. I’ve also sent them a small donation and intend to support them as much as I can. I think they are a valuable asset and I hope more people will be able to see it that way.

          • BrotherPatriot

            I also joined the Oath Keepers awhile ago…very proud to stand for what’s right.

            God Bless.

          • Kate8

            JeffH and BroPat – So happy you’ve joing Oathkeepers.

            I trust you are also recruiting others, so keep up the good work!

          • Kate8

            joined

          • JeffH

            Kate8, heavily recruiting indeed.

  • IDOSAYN

    Obama needs to be impeached and yesterday would have been soon enough. US citizens are all cowards or we would be ridding the US of Obama!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You are an idiot.

      • bob wire

        and you are a child ~ one of several here.

        I notice many of the grown up are missing here today and the thread suffers.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Who are these grownups?

        • DaveH

          If you’re referring to the Liberals, Bob, it’s Saturday. They don’t get paid to harass the Freedom-lovers on Saturdays.

          • libertytrain

            I’ve noticed that as well over this last year or so; they tend to only post all day long during the weekdays – they are either at work, not doing much work or, well you know the story. :) Now because of your post, once they read it, they will be forced to post all weekend as well :) :)

          • Thamera

            I have noticed that as well…hmmmm….and Jovi has yet to reply to any of the questions I have asked him or her or it…..

          • Jovianus

            Well Thamera..I did my golf game early today and it’s raining outside..so i did pop on to see if any more insanity was being spread. And you did not disappoint. Try as i might reading through this today, you haven’t asked any questions of me. LOL.

            Now, what other questions did you say you had to pose? I’ll be glad to educate you in government so you may teach competently instead of making stuff up like you have (you do remember some of the wacky stuff don’t you? Like the Senate can override the Constitution? THAT was a hoot…especially since you were so serious and insistent on that point. )

          • Thamera

            Then you aren’t reading anything Jovi. I have now asked you multiple times what it is that YOU do on multiple posts..since you take such delight in castigating what it is that others do…As for your flippant comments about government, one thing is clear, you and I disagree. I value the principles and values of the constitution where you value the opinions of “judges” to constantly make changes to the constitution and legislate “from the bench” something that Jefferson was very clear about but that is something you ytry to ignore by “pretending” that you don’t know who the founders are. Now that’s a hoot!

          • Jovianus

            Thamera..if it were any of your buisiness what I do for a living, you’d know. It’s not, you don’t.

            As for your reference to the “Founding Fathers”, as i have asked many times before this…you have to tell us which ones you are referring to becfause there are literally several hundred from those who wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence on to the Second Continental Congress and inbetween.

            As to your reference to jefferson, what quote? And like I posted above, you do know what his views were before assuming the Presidency and those during and after were dramatic in difference. So you’ll have to explain how he changed his views if you’re using his earlier, younger statements. Knowing as a teacher of government you’ll want to impress us with your acumen (which to date is sorely lacking in being evident)

  • Brainiac

    Most of all y’all are absolute idiotic wingnuts, and all y’all are what is wrong with this country today. Obama was elected by the majority of the voters, and since you don’t like that you spew your hateful rhetoric. All y’all belong on another planet.

    • Thamera

      haha that’s funny…there was no name calling when Bush was in office right? Everyone agreed with the man, honored his position as the president of our country and treated him with the utmost of respect. ahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahaahahahhaahahahahhaahhahahahaha

      • JeffH

        T ,notice the name of the commentor…”Brainiac”…nuff said.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The nonsense you posted belies your name.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Your Liberal/Leftist kind created this economic, political, educational and religious mess.Your kind will also never clean up the messes you make.

      • bob wire

        It’s clear you are well beyond embarrassment.

        President Bush left office amid the worst recession in 25 years, and naturally his economic policies are getting the blame. But before we move on to the era of Obamanomics, it’s important to understand what really happened during the Bush years — not least so we don’t repeat the same mistakes.
        [Review & Outlook] AP

        Mr. Bush has tried to explain events with one of his populist aphorisms: “Wall Street got drunk and we got a hangover.” The remark is ruefully amusing and has an element of truth. But it also reveals how little the President comprehends about the source of his Administration’s economic undoing. To extend his metaphor, Who does Mr. Bush think was serving the liquor?

        • Jay

          Small minds discuss people.

          Eleanor Roosevelt.

        • DaveH

          Bush was a Big Government loving Liberal, Bob. Like you.

        • Cawmun Cents

          Balack Omamba,has taken a severe recession as you call it and turned it into national depression(of the psychological kind).

    • Jay

      Brainiac, would your pappy also be your brother? Ya’ll need to finds that out! Ya’ll sound a little reetarded!!!

  • Carol Fryer

    I will look forward to a conservative president completely wiping Terrys slate clean. And while they are at it how about Ramos and Compeans slates too. We need good border agents with the ability to do their jobs. Im tired of open border crazies being able to tie our hands like the ACLU. Sickening. We are American , not the UN.

    • bob wire

      ““Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people”

      Eleanor Roosevelt

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You are expecting way too much from E.Roosevelt.
        Whose ideas should we discuss? Yours and your kind’s are inane.
        We are discussing ideas,since politics is made up of ideas.

        • Thamera

          I have found that you can’t have a discussion with people like bob w. They presume to know all the facts and have all the answers and their own indoctrination as well as blatant ignorance of history and/or the basic tenets of the constitution keeps them from seeing any other point of view. Bob W. likes to foment but never produces anything factual and quite often flip flops which leads one to believe that he isn’t clear where he stands himself.

          • JeffH

            …not to mention the web you have to weave through to discover exactly what he’s trying to say…like a Jabberwocky I say…

          • bob wire

            You 6 have all but destroyed this thread with childish behavior.

            I wouldn’t be surprise if Mr. Livingston doesn’t get annoyed with your folly. I don’t believe that it’s his intention to see his forum treated in this matter.

            If I was him, I wouldn’t put up with it long.

          • JeffH

            bw, thank GOD you’re not him. Nice to see you wanting to inject your kinda control onto this website. It clearly defines your intentions. It’s pretty obvious from your comment that you have no respect for Mr. Livingston, free speech but have no qualms about suggesting what he should do, how he should handle us “troublemakers” and exercising your right to free speech. I/we already know you are not a man of your word anyway.

          • JeffH

            Thamera, do you feel persecuted by bw? Do you feel like one of the Personal Liberty Digest 6? ROFLMAO!

          • DaveH

            Jeff, Please. Tell me you didn’t really expect tolerance of speech from a Liberal. They only tolerate speech freedom from their own kind.

          • DaveH

            And Bob, “childish behavior”? Are you projecting your Liberal qualities on us again?
            Most of the time your comments are so garbled that I wonder is he drinking, or maybe having flashbacks from his acid-dropping days?

          • JeffH

            Not at all Dave.

          • Thamera

            haha yep. I would say most of my last statement was especially childish and when DaveH et al., post links and facts and states the position of the Libertarian party or our own beliefs and quotes from the founders and the framers of our constitution, well that is most childish indeed as well as all of our comments…the notorious PL6! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      • Jay

        bob wire, there’s no category for pea-size brain? That kind of leaves you with nothing to discuss!!!

  • http://deleted Claire

    It is official. Herman Cain has tossed his hat in the ring. He will be running for POTUS.

    • Carlucci

      Hey Claire, It’s nice to see you back on the thread. How are your precious pups doing?

      • http://deleted Claire

        Carlucci— The pups are doing great. I have several shows lined up that are close to me, so that helps. I must get my male finished this summer. I can tell that the cost of gas has chopped down the entries. I am showing Memorial Day weekend, and there is only a total of 12 Shorthairs entered. Normally there are twice as many entered. Gas is 3.89 per gallon right now but I bet it will be over $4 by next weekend. It always goes up when a holiday weekend comes. It has been this way for a long time. Honks me off, I hate being “fleeced.”

  • Korean Vet

    You can find almost all you need to know–on Search-Type In–1st wife
    of Obama Sr. (From Wiki) Shows he married “Azia” Aoho in 1954, they
    had 2 kids, Malik & Auma, He got a Scholarship in 1959, & in 1960 met
    Ann Durham & she got Preg. & he married(?) Ann at Maui, Feb 2, 1961, & Pres. Obama was born Aug 4,1961, she enters U of Washington & took her son with her–Sept 9,1961, She got a ‘Divorce’ from Obama Sr. in
    Jan 1962–(Bigamy is “illegal” & “Forbidden” by Law in the United States-!) Any Legal License or Contract is rendered “Void” if any
    “Fraud” or “Mis-representation” is present-! County Clerks & Clergy CANNOT “Issue a Legal License”–to perform a “Criminal Act”–which is
    “Forbidden” by LAW”-! Obama Sr. was still married to his First Wife, thus the marriage was “Null & Void”, because Obama Sr. attempted
    “Bigamy”-! Ann remains a un-married Mother & Pres. Obama is a
    “illegitimate Son”-! It’s not his Fault–but his Birth-Parents-! I am
    not sure what being “illegitimate” does to his Eligibility, or Not-!
    I have another Post that shows what “Conflict of Interest”–Does-!

    • Korean Vet

      I don’t care if Obama was born in Hawaii or N.Y. City-! That’s not the “Real Question”-! (But 3 Examples–Show the “Real-Problem”-!) King
      Edward abdicated his Throne to marry a American Divorcee–Simpson-!
      After that marriage, if He had a ‘Son’ born in FL–who wanted to run for President, what was the Problem-!? (The son’s problem was his
      Father–who’s allegiance is pledged to England–not to the USA-!)
      Here’s another–”Suppose that Hitler had an American Mother & had been
      born in N.Y.–but wanted to run “For President”–Do You See What’s Wrong-? (Again–it’s his German Father–who is “Pledged to Germany”!) Dad says, “Can’t you get me a Federal Loan or Grant, since You’re now
      President-!?” (Isn’t this a ‘Conflict of Interest’-!?) Another
      ‘Conflict of Interest’ is very interesting-! General Cornwallis in
      Philadelphia, during the Revolutionary War–was known as a “Lady-Chaser”-! Suppose that he’d had a ‘Son’ born in PA–who wanted later
      to run “For President”-! WOW-! (We’d just “WON” a Revolution, & WE’RE
      GOING TO ENDORSE A ‘SON’ OF OUR ENEMY-! (And This Would Let Cornwallis
      “WIN” a Big Victory–by putting the Colonials back into England’s
      Hands-!) Both Parents–according to the “Customs” have to be Natives & Citizens of this United States to be Eligible for President-! Note
      the ‘Precedence’ of Customs of former Presidents–as this Customary
      Law is Followed-! This has been the “Customary Law of our Land”-!)
      OBAMA DOESN”T MEET THIS REQUIREMENT–to have “Both Parents”–who “DO
      NOT” have a’Conflict of Interest’-as to “What’s Best For This Nation”!
      (All of the other Presidents knew that this was the Law of Customs–in
      Our Native-Land-!) “Do Laws of Customs have Legality-!” When Obama Sr.
      married his First Wife in Kenya–He paid 14 cows to her Family & they
      married according to Tribal-Ceremony–& everyone knew they’ve “Tied
      The Knot”! Oh–Did I Say Something Wrong-! In the Early Wilderness of
      America–some areas had no priest or ministers–& Common-Law Marriage
      was Witnessed by God–with your Promises to Each Other-! And After
      All-”If your Word is NO-GOOD, Neither is your Name on a Contract-!”
      “We can all Shake-Hands to seal our word–Once we Agree on a Deal-!”
      “But NEVER TRUST A Politician–WHO’S LIED TO YOU BEFORE-!” “Snake-Oil
      NEVER CURED ANYONE-!” (Or Don’t You Agree-!?)

  • bob wire

    The Military Oath
    The Commissioning Oath

    “I, _____ , having been appointed an officer in the (Service) of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.” (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

    The Enlistment Oath

    “I, _____, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

    So for Lt. Col. Terry Lakin to see the order as unlawful was the only defense at his disposal. Why? because of questions of eligibility of the Commander & Chief? So ? we are taking it from the Colonel now.

    It appears that both he and Trump doubled down on a bad bet.

    I call that reckless for grown men. It’s no wonder Trump has filed for bankrupt protection so many times just to save his “assests”

    I’m thinking the Col. would enjoy such options.

    • Jay

      bob wire, the oath also includes defending the Constitution against DOMESTIC ENEMIES, so the Lt. Col. did faithfully keep his oath! Thanks for pointing that out bw!!! But we were already aware of that, thanks anyways! As for Trump, what does he have to do with the topic at hand?

      • Jovianus

        Well Jay, taking your point if you disagree with someone’s political philosophy they are ‘the enemy’ to urge soldiers to defend against….

        I’d say you have proposed that soldiers ask about their own political leanings and if someone is anti those leanings, they are the enemy. So when soldiers come to your door … you understand then that such is exactly what you support. Soldiers taking it upon themselves to decide who is the enemy, and/or what is lawful without regard to court decisions or whether it’s a civilian political question or not.

        Nice…in essence, you support a military government.

        • Thamera

          How you love to spin Jovi….gonna tell us what it is that YOU do now?

          • Jovianus

            Well Thamera…it’s not spin..it’s calling it like it is. Jay went and dissed a former military..and y’all are silent. yet anyone who calls Lakin what he is…dishonorable and dirtying the uniform and dissing our troops as he tries to use a civilian political issue as a means to disobey a lawful order for deployment .. y’all scream about how ‘honorable” the guy is and how we dishonor some wacked out military dude who won’t obey orders and was dishonorably discharged and got a light sentence.

            Whatever….if you can’t see that, you seriously need to take remedial comprehensive reading again.

          • Thamera

            And you seriously need to learn what a question is Jovi since again, you have not answered!

          • eddie47d

            Thamera; What Jovianus does for a living or what he is doing right now is a bizarre question? Should everyone on this site have to name their work place and past work history? Maybe age and marital status? What does that have to do with the story at hand? Are you trying to add confusion to an already confused bunch of bloggers? LOL

          • Thamera

            haha that’s funny Eddie….as for Jovi, yes I want to know specifically what it is that he or she or it does. If Jovi is going to demand to know what other people do and then castigate them for it, then we should know what it is that Jovi does, don’t you think? Fair is fair…

          • Jovianus

            Thamera, I never “demanded’ anything about your employment. Not from you or anyone else. You volunteered that you taught government to try and intimidate your stance that the Senate has the authority by majority vote to override the Consitution. You were adament and posted that as a ‘fact’ not once, not twice, but three times.

            Jeesh … and to date you still haven’t admitted you were wrong.

            So tell us…can the US Senate by simple majority vote, override the US Constitution? (this I have to see. My bet is no response)

          • Thamera

            And Jovi, I NEVER had this discussion with you, which is a point that I have already brought up and a point that you admitted to and even apologized for. It is clear that you have confused me with another poster perhaps or maybe it is difficult for you to keep track of who YOU are on any given day. That aside, you have absolutely no credibility if you cannot be open about what you do and as for your previous question I have read all that you mentioned and more and yes, even Shakespeare. At this point, I am done with you…it is obvious that you have great difficulty with openness and honesty.

  • missing2u

    You all missed the critical point. All our justice courts civil or
    military, they all are crooked as hell.
    There is no justice in any courts, they are just tools for the rulers
    of the world. the annunaki
    We humans are all just their cattle, even food. Wake up b4 its too late. Lakin finally woke up to the deceit perpetrated on us all for way too long, It took him long enough, why was he such a tool earning
    merrits for being a tool. usa was never attacked by outside forces &
    no reason for military actions whatsoever. Even 9/11 was an inside job
    this traitor in the white house is a clone, not human at all. His BC
    a fraud, i heard his grandma say: i was there when he was born inKenya

  • http://yahoo Frank A.

    I commend this soldier. I wonder if there will be more like him in the ranks who will think first before firing, when told to fire upon their own people. If O’bama retains his Presidency for 4 more years, it will come to that. He is Muslim, no matter what the media or many think. One must read the Koran and see the scripture that their God tells them they can lie, cheat, steal to infiltrate their enemy so when the time comes they can destroy them from within. This man is a wolf in sheeps clothing and to many American’s have blinders on.

    • DaveH

      Yeah, I think his comments about Israel’s border pretty much back that up. Muslims will do anything to achieve their goals, and lying to the trough-feeders to get their support is right up their alley.

      • Jovianus

        I know Dave…Obama’s recently announced plan to return to the goals and plans of Bush I and Clinton is so radical I wonder why it was even proposed during those past administrations ! Jeesh …

        Let’s see..his health care is virtually identical to Romneycare, less radical and gives states the opportunity to replace it with a state managed plan [notice that the health care reform is so bad, no state has come to the table with any option?]

        He takes on a known terrorist supporter in Khaddafy and brings in NATO…which Reagan just tried to assassinate Khaddafy then left him alone to continue funneling monies and arms to terrorists. And y’all squeal he is going after a known and proven supporter of terrorist actions against us.

        You whine he snuffed bin Laden.

        You support ripping apart Medicare which aids the Middle Class and Seniors

        You loudly scream when the Koch Bros are exposed, the very family who made their gadzillions from the Soviets.

        You support giving the wealthy (the top 5% of income earners) special tax brackets better than everyone else

        You protest when we try to move off of and away from oil dependence as our major energy source…thus decreasing our dependence from the ME

        You want us to stop aid to Pakistan and thus drive them solidly into the Chinese camp

        Wow…now what were you saying about President Obama pursuing the policies of our enemies? Seems to me, you are the ones supporting those types of policies. Of course, if you don’t support any of the list above, feel free to state which ones you disagree with and I’m sure you’ll state you have never supported any of them

        • eddie47d

          Bingo! He’ll flip flop on each issue in an attempt to take Obama down.If he has the courage to answer any of them.

          • JeffH

            DaveH flip flopping would be like you telling the truth…it ain’t gonna happen in my lifetime!

      • eddie47d

        See Jeff now I will have to point it out to you and embarrass you and Dave alike… you want to be an ass then accept the challange.

        • JeffH

          Good luck 47Stupid. Good Luck!

    • Cawmun Cents

      Some seem to think that Allah is the same “god” as mine.I am a Christian and I disagree with that sentiment.

    • Jovianus

      Wow….we go from a soldier disobeying a legit order from his superiors as to providing documentation necessary for deployment…equating that to refusing to fire upon civilians.

      Wow….people must be drinking eary today…

      • Thamera

        Jovi the spinmeister….what is it that you do???

        • WayneT

          Thamera, he can’t do too much, or he would not have time to sit on his behind all day and post these idiotic post. I am retired so that is why I can do it.

        • Jovianus

          Thamera..if it were any of your business, you’d know what I did for a living. It’s not, you don’t.

          • Thamera

            I can’t say that I’m not the least surprised by your answer hahahaha…it was what I expected. What an ignorant, condescending, stooge you are Jovi. If you are not willing to say what it is that YOU do, then you have no credibility whatsoever…not that you had any to begin with hahahahahahaha…you are truly nothing more than a fraud and a huckster.

          • eddie47d

            Thamera; Then demand that same question from each and everyone else :no exceptions, since you are so obsessed with this information.

          • Thamera

            Ah Eddie, before you get behind Jovi in this matter you must know that this question is in direct response to a forum several weeks ago where Jovi demanded to know what I could possibly do to have credibility on these forums and then called me a liar, unamerican and unpatriotic. If he is going to make those demands, seems like he should be willing to say what it is that he or she does at the very least…don’t you think? And I thought y’all were for transparency…LOL.

          • JeffH

            T, 47Stupid intentionaly forgets that no one sticks their nose in another’s business more than he. Can you say HYPOCRITE?

          • Jovianus

            Thamera…I did no such thing and you know it :). Nice try though …

          • eddie47d

            Jeff; Try not to make a complete idiot out of yourself in your self righteous stomping like a two year old. Since you like to call me names as you stated above then what would you like me to call you? That’s a golden opportunity because if you keep it up I choose a real juicy one for your title.

          • JeffH

            Well let’s see 47Stupid…you’ve expressed visions of me in purple panties and dresses on several occasions in the recent past, so I don’t think you can get much worse than that can you. Tell us your visions ya big dummy, tell us.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Vanessa T.

    This is ridiculous it makes me sick to my stomach!!! I know that obama has provided proof of his so called and i still say suspicious birth certificate which i believe is a fake one other wise he would have shown proof of it years ago when he was thinking about running and now three years later he decides to show it when he trump questions it and obama saw it as a threat?!!! please obama just get your traitor behind out of the white house and do us all a favor. I cant stand this man!!!! i am telling you (not trying to be racist but it is the truth) black people cant run anything right and he is only a quarter black that is even more pathetic. if you take a look at his birth certificate you will notice that it has been copied and pasted lol but the public will not admit it since it is run by liberals and if you say something about it you are a racist, the true reason why he is president is not because he deserves it but only because the black community voted for him because of his skin color and white people because of there “white guilt” and that is the only reason and if you did not vote for obama you should be ashamed of yourself you are a racist!!!! makes me want to gag myself every time he opens his mouth uugghh. sad thing is i have a horrible feeling that he will be there for another 4 yrs. Lord help us all!!!! It is all part of God’s plan for his will for us all. i know that sounds ludicrous but the truth is that obama is going to be a big part of the down fall of america which he is doing so greatly now that is what he wants to do the end times prophecies are coming true and who ever chooses not to believe in that is just blind. so people prepare for things to get worse a lot worse and you can blame obama for the blame because we are on a steep hill and going down it at full speed fast!!! as far as the man that got jailed because he questioned obama he had every right to do so obama was not questioned about it and when he did not show proof no one said or did anything about it!!!! i can not name one good thing obama has done since he has been our president, NOT ONE THING, every thing he has promised to do he has done the complete opposite everything and his wife makes me sick to my stomach as well i cant imagine what there kids are like!!!! OBAMA YOU ARE A TRAITOR AND I REFUSE TO CALL YOU MY PRESIDENT!!!!!

    • bob wire

      Sooo? Dave, Frank Caw, Vanessa, Missing ~ you openly confess to being plotting enemies of the United States?

      Well arm yourselves and fly your banner proudly where we can disseminate you from noncombatants and patriots.

      Step forward and receive your rewards for your treasonous conduct or accept your minority status and be silence.

      That you are free to speak does not imply that it is free.

      • Thamera

        More ramblings from bob w…when have we not had the right to question our president, our government? Can you say Mein Kampf? Good grief, you people are very scary.

        • Thamera

          “you people” meaning bob w., Jovi et al.” Just to be very clear.

          • bob wire

            yes Thamera, you fruitcakes here ~ bout 6 of you.

            Over the course of just this thread alone many of you have exposed your immaturity with child like statements and have confirmed to me ~ you are but children and really clueless to the world you live in.

            I don’t really have the time for you ~ and have already raised a house full.

            Bob Livingston ~ best of luck here, I suppose you have the audience you seek. If not ~~ a little house keeping is in order, I would think. I don’t really see you the kind of man that enjoys “Romper Room” or Sponge Bob very much.

          • Thamera

            Oh sheesh Bob W. How many times have you posted this sad little tirade of yours but you keep coming back! LOL

          • JeffH

            T, of course there could be only one “Sponge Bob”…and that would be…bobby!

          • Jay

            Good riddance bob wire, and don’t let the door hit you in your azz on your way out!

      • WayneT

        No! you have it wrong Bob. They are enemies to those who want, and are corrupting the United States. That is like saying that the folks who fought in the Revolutionay war were corrupting England. We are losing our freedoms, and you lunkheads think that this is a good idea. Take your Obama and you Zombies can flee to Kenya with him. Don’t let the door hit you in he rear on the way out. You need to go and live with the Communist in Red China for a while. Then maybe you would appreciate this country without Nobama.

  • DaveH

    Yay! Freedom-lovers win one:
    http://gunowners.org/a05192011.htm

    • Jay

      Finally, some successful resistance to this LUNATIC abama, and, in the proper area, the judicial system!!! That is VERY good news Dave, and very encouraging!

  • Jay

    After 18 months in office, Obama has proven over and over that he is the greatest traitor in American history. What is to be done? The answer is obvious. –RONBO

    “Everywhere you look, wherever there is a crisis, Obama is not simply doing nothing. He’s making things worse. America is about to plunge into unsustainable deficit spending? Obama got us started early with the stimulus package and the health care bill. Big states are being bankrupted by public employee unions? Obama wants to increase the unions’ power. Not enough power plants? Obama wants to restrict them further. Iran is seeking nukes? Obama gave them a reprieve against a popular uprising. Karzai doubts America’s resolve in Afghanistan? Obama wavers on our strategy and declares our intention to bug out, no matter how much disarray there is in our strategy and command.

    There’s an old saying: When you fail to plan, you plan to fail. But the pattern of the Obama administration has me wondering if we’re seeing the inverse: when you plan to fail, you fail to plan. That is, if American contraction and retreat is your goal, why would you make any plans to revive the economy or win wars?

    I think what we’re seeing here is something worse than just a failure of leadership by a disengaged president. We have to ask ourselves why he is disengaged. Why, when multiple alarm bells are ringing, is he spending more time on his hobbies than the rest of us? Or more to the point, when existing policies lead to failure, why does he double down and make things worse?

    From the beginning, we’ve been warning that Barack Obama is an anti-American president, that he believes in American decline on principle—that he thinks we’re too wealthy, too powerful, and too free and need to be taken down a peg. His policies are achieving that goal.

    Americans are learning that Obama is an ineffectual leader by the standard of achieving America’s success, prosperity, and security. What they need to learn next is the terrifying truth that these are not his standards.” –Robert Tracinski

  • Eric Bischoff

    I don’t care what your biased scientists say. I still believe that the Earth is Flat and nothing you say can make me change my pea brain. So there. Na na na na na,. LOL
    Thanks for the laughs.

    • bob wire

      Eric, it’s getting to the point to where I’m suspecting many here are being “paid to post”. For anyone that “stupid” to believe such nonsense couldn’t write a complete sentence much less several and stay on topic. ~

      It’s been a rough winter for everyone and “some people” are willing to say and do anything for money. The ambiguity of cyberspace and the political forms is a perfect setting for such activity.

      • Jay

        Yes bobby, I quite agree, and you, no doubt, are the obvious example! When will you learn that actions have consequences! In your case, every time you open your mouth, your foot follows! But I understand, it wasn’t your intention to let the cat out of the bag! Try and be more careful next time. Just keep your mouth shut and we’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not an idiot!!! How’s that?

  • Ron

    After himself, the blame for Lakin’s problems should be laid on the right wing elite who manipulated the whole birther story. Those who exploited Lakin and people like him for political purposes with lies about Obama being born here, there and everywhere except the US, being a secret Muslim, etc., new perfectly well there was no doubt about Obama’s birthplace. They should be sent to Leavenworth for a while for treasonous actions against the CIC in time of war, and driving good people like Larkin to mutiny.

    • bob wire

      Ron, right wing spin doctors have taken Lee Atwater’s approach to partisan politics,lying, cheating, stealing, planting seeds of question & doubt, bearing false witness to a whole new level.

      In the end, Lee died with head cancer and radiation treatments that made is head swell the size of a watermelon to such, even his family did not recognize him.

      Toward the end, lying on his death bed, Lee said, don’t do as I have done.

      At one time , he had it all only to loss it all.

      This bunch will taunt the devil himself, many here probably not even knowing who Lee Atwater was or what he did.

  • Donald Stevenson

    I am realy ashamed to hear all these bleeding hearts bad mouth their President. I feel if he was legally elected and he was.shut your pie hole and honer his office,and him too. If you do not like him thats your problem,you can always move to the middle east,and put a bag over all females,kill your daughter because she has sex with her boy friend,before they tie the knot. And if you speak out of place,face a kill squad,sent from the dick tater, real fun.

    • Thamera

      Well, that is quite a leap there Donald S…what were you saying about childish behavior Bob W? LOL I am sure that you had the same respect for Bush right DS? LMAO Anyone who even suggests that citizens cannot or should not question their president or their government are fools for the taking and know absolutely NOTHING about the principles and values of our founding fathers.

    • Jay

      NOT OUR PRESIDENT, Donald Stevenson, obviously your president, and you can have and keep that filthy rat!!! You are two birds of a feather no doubt!

      • Thamera

        Exactly Jay, I am proud to say I DID NOT VOTE for that man!

        • Jay

          Me neither Thamera, thank God!!!

  • Ron

    This guy even made a video addressed to Obama questioning his citizenship. We are well rid of a guy from our military so gullible and lacking in judgment.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMluf_GOIjY

    • bob wire

      as far as I’m concerned , 6 months was not never harsh enough.

      When Oliver North became embroiled in the arms for hostages incident and stonewalled congress, the threaten to take away his pension.

      I wrote no less then 10 letters to Senators and Congressmen defending Col. North, asked them to not take away his pension regardless of their final verdict.

      I felt that Ollie basically fell on his own sword for the C&C (Reagan), deserving no less the respect of a loyal soldier and his pension for years served.

      However , This soldier, Lt. Col. Terry Lakin I cannot defend.

      • Thamera

        Oh gee, and this coming from the ever altruistic bob w. Maybe Lakin should be executed…would that make you and Jovi happy????

    • Jay

      If only we could get rid of you, ron, you nazi sympathizer!

  • Jay

    In response to President Barack Obama’s announcement on December 1 to deploy 30,000 additional troops to the occupation of Afghanistan, the organization March Forward!, with comprising both veterans and active-duty members of the US military, has called on all soldiers to refuse their orders to deploy.



    “March Forward! calls on all service members to refuse orders to deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq,” reads a press release from the group from December 3. “We offer our unconditional support and solidarity. Join us in the fight to ensure that no more soldiers or civilians lose their lives in these criminal wars.

    “

Michael Prysner, a former corporal in the Army who served from 2001-2005 and a veteran of the occupation of Iraq, co-founded the group with another Iraq war veteran, James Circello.

Truthout asked Prysner how he responds to those who believe a soldier should always follow orders, no matter what.

”In my experience the majority of people joining the military today join out of necessity, like money, jobs, help for their family, etc., so most don’t join for ideological or patriotic reasons. Most are driven into the military by economic conditions. We see this playing out now, as people are joining in droves because of the economy.

    “

Prysner added, “Yes, people do sign a contract to follow orders, but those orders are wrong and unlawful. We want to educate people to the fact that these are immoral orders, and they [soldiers] are being used as muscle for corporations, to colonize the developing world, and it’s not legitimate. People who join and take this oath seriously who think they are in [the military] to defend the US, this is not what we are being used for in the military today.

    “

Prysner has written about his experience in Iraq, “… there was no computer screen separating me from the suffering civilian population. I spent 12 months in Iraq, doing everything from prisoner interrogations, to ground surveillance missions, to home raids. It was my firsthand experiences in Iraq that radicalized me. I believed I was going to Iraq to help liberate and better the lives of an oppressed people, but I soon realized that my purpose in Iraq was to be the oppressor, and to clear the way for US corporations with no regard for human life.

    “

After he separated from the Army in 2005, Prysner “understood that the occupation I was a part of was a crime against humanity. I understood that illegal conquering of Iraq was for profit, carried out by a system that serves a tiny class of super-rich whose endless drive for wealth is at the expense of working people in the United States and abroad.

    “

According to Prysner, the lessons he learned from being part of the US occupation of Iraq taught him that, “I still had the same drive to fight for freedom, justice and equality as I did when I joined, and I understood that fighting for those things meant fighting against the US government, not on behalf of it.”

To those who call him and his organization “anti-American” and/or “unpatriotic,” Prysner has this to say:



    “I would say that I have more in common with my sisters and brothers in Iraq and Afghanistan than I do with these people in DC who’ve sent us to war. If that’s unpatriotic, then yes, I am. But patriotism and racism are the only things the military has to fall back on to convince people to do the things we are being asked to do today.”

    Continued:http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16554

  • WayneT

    Obama’s loons are lurking some place out there. There are also a few of them here. They are better known as Obama’s Zombies. Be beware. be very aware.

    • Jay

      Hey WayneT, how are you? Haven’t seen you post for a while.

  • Jay

    ”I am not a coward and I would be prepared to fight for my country, but I am taking a political stand because this is not our war, we are just following the Americans. I am prepared to die to defend my country but not to protect the United States oil lines.”

    - Leading Seaman Terry Jones, member of the crew of HMAS Adelaide, after he left the ship in Perth before its departure for the Gulf on August 23, 1990. After going AWOL and making a public statement he was court-martialled and convicted.

    Military and political commentators on the Afghanistan war seem to have either chosen the tack or fallen into the trap of focusing on ”Can we win?” rather than asking the more fundamental question, ”Should we be there?” A closer look at that basic issue would actually throw a lot of light on why we can’t ”win”.

    Whether invading forces should be there is a question many US soldiers seem to be grappling with, and for good reason. One legal and ethical principle that was clearly articulated in the Nuremberg trials was that each member of the military has an individual responsibility for their actions and cannot evade that responsibility by simply claiming to have followed orders. In other words, they are duty bound to refuse to obey unlawful orders. It will be interesting to see whether the recently released military documents from Wikileaks raises that issue.

    As US independent journalist and author of The Will to Resist Dahr Jamail discovered, there has been an increase in resistance to deployments to Afghanistan, among other things because some soldiers consider Afghanistan a war of aggression in violation of the UN Charter and therefore the US Constitution.

    Very little has been reported here about Sergeant Travis Bishop or Specialist Victor Agosto, two Americans who recently refused deployment to Afghanistan and claimed conscientious objector status. James Branum, the civilian lawyer for both soldiers, said: ”The war in Afghanistan does not meet the criteria for lawful war under the UN Charter, which says that member nations who joined the UN, as did the US, should give up war forever, aside from two exceptions: that the war is in self-defence, and that the use of force was authorised by the UN Security Council.”

    The nation of Afghanistan did not attack the US. The Taliban may have, but the nation and people of Afghanistan did not. And under US law, the Supremacy Clause, any treaty enacted by the US is now the ”supreme law of the land”. So when the US signed the UN Charter, we made that our law as well.

    Continued:http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/contributors/a-soldiers-right-to-say-no-20100831-14eb1.html

  • Jay

    “They will deliver you up to tribulation (tribunals?) and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations (United Nations?)… You will be brought before councils (courts?)… before governors and kings.”
    — Mathew 10:17-18, 24:9

    “I solemnly affirm… not to seek or accept instruction in respect to the performance of my duties from any government or other authority external to the organization.”
    — United Nations Oath
    Taken by commanding officers of U.N. deployments.

    [Michael New: Mercenary... or American Soldier? is a detailed accounting of the circumstances surrounding the military trial, conviction and appeal of Michael New, a US soldier, court-martialed for refusing to remove the US flag patch from his uniform and replace it with the UN insignia. Once you have read the facts, you, the reader, can decide for yourself the merits of the case.]

    Among the manifold points of construction which make up an increasingly complex global infrastructure, four distinct tiers, or regions, remain to be built in raising a viable, comprehensive world government. Rising from the suddenly rich geopolitical soil of our post-Cold War environment, they will, when finalized, lay as cornerstones upon which the columns of economic, political, cultural and religious unification stand. Like light-tower beacons uplifting from a storm-tossed sea of resistance, they will then cast their secular beams across each other’s bows, weaving together a seamless agenda of universal cooperation and accord.

Of the four tiers, (here shown in chronological order of establishment) — a United Nations standing world army; an International Criminal Court (ICC); global taxation; and a unified religious theory, or what is commonly referred to as a world religion — commencement to elevate the first column struck it’s fateful bell’s toll upon Spec. Michael New.

    A young soldier of strong Christian morals and almost fabled courage, New was court-martialed for refusing to break his oath of allegiance by removing the United States Flag patch from his dominant right shoulder and replace it with United Nations blue-helmet insignia. This simple act of quiet, inoffensive, ethically inspired and thoroughly pondered resistance during the deployment to Macedonia in October, 1995 kindled the first spark of official controversy in what has spread, in five hastened years, into an international firestorm of debate over the relevance and fate of national sovereignty.

To help us discern the ambiguous blueprint for world government, authors Daniel New, father of the soldier dismissed from military service on a permanently career-damaging Bad Conduct Discharge, and Cliff Kincaid have crafted a penetrating book entitled, MICHAEL NEW: Mercenary…or American Soldier? A 237-page tome, the first half lays out in six remarkable, knowledge-packed chapters the story of a soldier’s courage to stand up to and endure a daunting U.N. bureaucracy and scathing US hypocrisy. The second half unfolds for us the technical elements of the military trial, conviction and appeal via actual court documents; official versions of sealed presidential directives; oaths and critical letters; a House of Representatives resolution proposal; and New’s inspiring homecoming speech.


    Continued:http://www.mikenew.com/book_review.html

  • Jay

    Living Up to Rules: When Should Soldiers (and Others?) Disobey orders?
    Martha Minow

    
In 1944, Raul Wallenberg sent this message SS Commander General August Schmidthuber: I will make sure that you will be charged and hanged as a war criminal if you follow Adolf Eichmanns order and direct the massacre of the nearly 100,000 Jews remaining in the Budapest Central Ghetto.

    Today we remember and honor Raul Wallenberg for this and countless other acts of courage that directly saved thousands of lives during the Holocaust. A man then in his early 30s, Wallenberg used delay, persuasion, threats, bribes, and his invented protective passesto save a large remnant of Hungarian Jewry. Is message to General Schmidthuber remarkably worked; the Jews in the Budapest Ghetto survived.

    As Irwin Cotler observed in his address marking the opening of an exhibit on the life and work of Wallenberg, his example and his memory teach us that Neutrality and indifference by individuals or neutrality and indifference by state must be rejected. 

    Wallenberg disappeared and died, probably murdered, in Soviet custody. His personal sacrifice was extraordinary. How many of us would give our life to save strangers in a strange land? For a moment, though, lets consider the response of General Schmidthuber: what did it take for him to halt the planned massacresufficient fear for his own life? The reminder of the wrongness of the planned massacre?

    Assuming he was following direct or indirect orders from Hitler, why did he not thinkshould I ever face trial, I will just say that I was following orders? 

    One legacy often traced to the Nuremberg Trials, held by the Allies after World War II, and marked by a 60th anniversary last year, is the rejection of the I-was-just-following-orders defense to charges of military atrocity and human rights violations. Nurembergs International Military Tribunal in its landmark criminal trials of German leaders on charges of war crimes, genocide, or crimes against humanity rejected this superior orders defense and ruled that responsibility runs to the individual. No one can be excused from responsibility for these most serious offenses on the grounds that he or she was following superior orders.

    Continued: http://www.learntoquestion.com/resources/database/archives/000907.html

  • Jay

    Obama Regime orders U.S. troops in Afghanistan to carry WEAPONS with NO BULLETS!

    Military officers say, “Forcing troops to carry unloaded weapons on patrol is criminally negligent.” “Patrolling without a chambered round is suicide.”

    First they want to give medals for “courageous restraint.” Now they want to tie both hands behinds our soldiers’ backs. This isn’t suicide, it’s negligent homicide, in my book.

    (Human Events)- Commanders have ordered a U.S. military unit in Afghanistan to patrol with unloaded weapons, according to a source in Afghanistan. American soldiers in at least one unit have been ordered to conduct patrols without a round chambered in their weapons, an anonymous source stationed at a forward operating base in Afghanistan said in an interview.

    When a weapon has a loaded magazine, but the safety is on and no round is chambered, the military refers to this condition as “amber status.” Weapons on “red status” are ready to fire—they have a round in the chamber and the safety is off.

    “Our overall aim is to defeat the insurgency which means we must gain and then maintain the support of the Afghan population,” said Lieutenant Commander Iain Baxter, a spokesman for NATO’s International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in a statement to HUMAN EVENTS.

    Continued:http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/obama-regime-orders-u-s-troops-in-afghanistan-to-carry-weapons-with-no-bullets/

    • Thamera

      Exactly Jay. Thank you for taking the time to post all of the above…too bad Obama’s stooges like Jovi and Bob W. won’t take the time to read or discern any of it. I know it was just a movie(s), but in “Saving Private Ryan” and “We Were Soldiers” there were multiple instances where direct commands were questioned and thank god they were questioned and disobeyed. I understand the strict code that the military needs to operate under but lets hope that should the military ever be ordered to round up their own citizens that they have the moral aptitude of Lt. Col. Lakin and the courage to question anyone in command. Would that the commanding officers under Hitler had been like Lakin, perhaps millions of people would not have died…but then, Jovi and Bob W. would have been shouting the loudest to punish and kill the men that dared to defy Hitler! Mein Kampf!

      • eddie47d

        Liberals by the hundreds of thousands protested against the Vietnam War and a few Conservatives too. They were beaten,arrested,jailed in cages,slandered,given prison records,called traitors and told they had no right to speak out against any war America was in. The great “silent majority” who voted against Johnson and strongly supported Nixon lead the charge to silence anyone who spoke out against that war. They shouted “My Country Right or Wrong” and cheered when protesters were shot at and gased. They silenced Freedom of Speech and trashed the Constitution to put their boots on the back of protesters. The Constitution didn’t matter back then and the War went on for almost 13 years. The same people who stood against this War in Vietnam literally took a beating for doing so.Those who protested against the Iraq war were denounced as un American and the War goes on to this day. We now have the Patriot Act which has taken away more rights.Liberals have seen the follies of these foreign excursions for way too many years now. If these wars are so wrong under Obama then they should have been denounced with the same fervor under Bush. We should do everything in our powers to stop these wars from starting but few have the courage to do so. Wars seem to be ingrained in our psychic and the political party who starts these wars can’t say no,(either party).

        • Jay

          eddie says: If these wars are so wrong under Obama then they should have been denounced with the same fervor under Bush.

          They were eddie, you just weren’t paying attention! And even if they were not, what the hell is the difference? Is your beef that the booo meter didn’t register as high during the Bush administration as it does now for Obama? Your pathetic!!!

          • eddie47d

            The “Booo” meter didn’t even come close and there was ample time to shut the war down at least a year before it started. Way too many people went into a coma and ignored the signs. Deja Vu! I agree Obama should have used better channels(Congress) for his adventure into Libya but he snuck that one in under the radar. Any President that abuses the War Powers Act is no friend of mine on the issue of war.That includes Johnson,Nixon,Reagan. H.Bush was more upfront and legal in the Gulf War so he gets some credit.

  • RichV

    I worked for some Lt. Cols in my career who were tuff, but this one has b#@@s. So Sir, as much as you wanted to voice your opinion, you did not uphold your part of your oath. Civilians who never served dont understand we are governed by a Uniformed Code of Military Justice. So, they think you did the right thing. You have been Dismissed with no retirement. Did you do right? As much as we are in disagreement with the officers appointed over us, and, Commander-in-Chief, orders have to be followed. Thats just the way it is. Good luck to you Sir.

    • Jay

      So rich, what do you make of the Nuremberg Trials, where the excuse, “I was just following orders from the upper chain of command” was dismissed, as a defence and legitimate argument to support the non guilty plea for atrocities committed? Do you see a double standard? Yes, Lt. Col.Terry Lakin suffered loss, but, it is more profitable to suffer loss, then to suffer shame! Truth be told, many more will follow in the Colonel’s footsteps! Perhaps there is hope yet!

      • Thamera

        Well Jay, if Jovi and Bob W., et al are true to their position in crucifying Lakin then the only honest answer they can give is they would have been the ones “just following orders” under Hitler’s command…pretty sad and pretty scary but not surprising from everything else they post on these forums.

      • eddie47d

        It’s actually nice to see you now saying it is okay to not follow orders. I believe it is a stretch to compare Lakins act to Nazi resisters since Lakin supported the Afghan War. You have muddled the issue in trying to compare those who refused to commit war crimes with a domestic issue of eligibility.The war is either right or wrong no matter who is in charge. Are war crimes being committed in our wars where a soldier has a right of refusal to not commit unlawful acts? In some cases crimes are committed but they are not policy like they were in Germany where the regime supported crimes against humanity. Extremely big difference. It also makes it hard for the world to go against America in these wars because we are not deliberately committing crimes. The morality or immorality of our actions hasn’t been fully defined. I’d love to see us withdraw from the Middle East yet sadly it seems to be expanding.

        • Jay

          Quite true eddie, the Colonel’s issue was a domestic issue of eligibility!

          But not all have disobeyed or questioned based on the issue of eligibility. “March Forward” is an organization comprised of a considerable number of army personnel, and, no doubt, there were such during the Nazi war that questioned and disobeyed Hitler, that believe the invasion of Afghanistan is not a justified war, but a crime against humanity and brutal colonialism! Are they all deluded? I happen to agree that it’s an unjustified war and nothing more then brutal colonialism, even when Bush was in the White House!

          So what’s your issue eddie?

          Would you rather that Lt. Col. Lankin’s had made his decision based on the belief that the war was/is unjustified, and that, under the Bush administration, or is your beef that he made his decision during the obama administration?

          Is the invasion of Afghanistan now morally justified because Owhacko is in the White House and no one should question and resist the insanity? Were you not the first to cry the loudest when Bush made the decision to invade? Why? Did you not feel it was morally wrong then? What changed eddie? Is there something that colored your decision? Perhaps a certain specific ideology that that colour represents?

          • eddie47d

            Why do you keep bringing up Nazism when it has nothing to do with Lakins protest? Lakin himself says he is willing to fight in Afghanistan. I don’t think we should be in Iraq or Libya. Afghanistan is a gray area and I would like to see us out of there. The problem with Iraq is that women actually faired better under Saddam than they do under Islamic leadership that is in there now. (That’s not praise of Saddam either). So this is not an argument about the Kurds either. The opposite is true in Afghanistan where women were brutalized and now have a better chance of improving their lives. If we pull out those efforts will be lost but hopefully we can make that transition soon.

  • JeffH

    T,…“just following orders” under Hitler’s command…Could the fear of reprisal be what drove these men to do these bad deeds, knowing full well what the outcome would be either way? Some people just have better morals and principlals than others.

    Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
    John Adams

    • Thamera

      That it was JeffH, only “virtuous” seems to be a lost concept on people like Jovi and Bob W. et al. Jovi has blind faith in judges and adjudication and Bob W. blindly follows whoever is in power, I guess. Fear of reprisal, absolutely I would say that could have been a very real fear. Those men would of most definitely been executed for questioning Hitler. According to Bob W. and Jovi perhaps executing Lakin would be a more fitting punishment since “6 months” in jail is not near severe enough. And they say conservatives are heartless? That’s a laugh.

      • Thamera

        quotations should have included “in jail is not near severe enough” that according to Bob W. and Jovi.

      • eddie47d

        No one has advocated the execution of Lakin and far from it. He had every right to speak his mind but didn’t have solid facts to back himself up. He made a weak assumption for political reasons and lost the roll of the dice. I would like him to keep his pension since it was a battle of words and not a physical crime but hardly courageous. There are too many real heros in war to hang on Lakins coattail just because you despise Obama.

        • JeffH

          …and you 47Stupid, who do you despise? The wolf? The Coyote? The Fox or the Bob Cat, all natural predator of the sheep(le)?
          You don’t have to answer ’cause I got a pretty good idea what you’ll say aside from a lack of substance.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff; You are as ignorant as the sun is bright!

          • JeffH

            Run to mommy ya big cry baby! Wah, wah, wah!

          • eddie47d

            I was wrong. You are even more ignorant than imagined.

          • JeffH

            Wah! Wah! Wah! Mommy, make him stop! Wah! Wah! Wah!

        • truesoy

          I disagreed. He is now a convicted felon (court martial convictions become federal convictions) and should not keep his pension.

    • Jay

      Well stated JeffH!

  • PJMcK1954

    The Army probably has more black servicemn than any of the other branches of the Armed Forces.I doubt that LtCol Lakin had much of a chance of a fair trial. I hope that his conviction gets overturned when his case gets reviewed by the Appellate board. (For the benefit of those who are not familiar with the military justice system, all court-martial convictions are reviewed and sometimes overturned.)

    Questioning the legitimacy of the President, even if he is the worst Commander-in-Chief in U.S. history, isn’t a good idea. Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, officers, unlike enlisted personnel, who criticize any elected official can be charged and even face court-martial.

    LtCol Lakin is a hero.

    Scumbama is a life-long civilian who is ruining the military.

    To those who, in 2008, voted for Obama to prove that they are not rascists, I have this to say: Vote for someone else in 2012 to prove that you’re not fools.

    • eddie47d

      Lakin served his country well and that should have full consideration but he is still no hero on this latest issue.

  • Kate8
  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    Wiselady says:

    May 22,2011

    It appears that those in the military who could not take the heat , saved themselves some agony by finding someone else to bear the brunt of fearmongering by the lliberal President we have. It happens in many phases of governement, including education. Cover it up, it is easier. I experienced it as a teacher.

    I bet Lt. Col. Lakin will be exonerated if we elect a strong President who won’t be afraid to speak up against an injustice. How many more are there that find themselves in similar situations?

    Mean time, let’s get the petitions for Lt. Col. Lakin to our Congress and Senators. An investigation is in order.

  • Wayne937

    You Liberals just keep paying your high gasoline prices, your rising groceries prices, higher prices on all other consumer goods because of the ideology of this mindless president. As I have stated many, many times before on this forum, this president is against everything we use as energy that will get the job done. He is against oil, coal and nuclear. We have been using this form of energy for nearly 100 years and he wants us to stop using it. However, this moran President gave Brazil 2.5 billion dollars to drill over in Brazil and he told them we would be their best customer. He has given billions of dollars to Mexico to drill in the Gulf of Mexico. This was nearly around the same time he had stopped all drilling in this country. We get well over 100 by-products from oil that we desperately need for our daily needs. Without oil we would not have of these necessities that we so desperately need. I really do not think the Libs realize that everything is based on our usage of oil. Oil is used for gasoline, or diesel fuel. It is used to transport our goods across the nation. It is used to run our factories, make our roads, our plastics, and to produce our electricity. When there is a shortage of oil, prices will go up on everything as the price of gasoline goes up. Now I would like to have you Liberals controdict everything I have said here that is not true. Don’t try and give me a lot of hot air as we Conmservative will recognize it right away. Any one who watches the news knows that Obama is against oil, coal and nuclear. Now that he is getting into his election mode he may tell you different. He has been against it for 2 years now so don’t let that liar of a president tell you he is for it now. If you Libs want to pay the exboritant prices that is ok with me. I don’t to pay the high price of gasoline to the Muslim OPEC countries who hate our guts. We just want to see this president gone in 2012 so we can get restore some common sense back into the White House. Using corn to make ethemol has also caused our food prices to rise as well as the higher cost of gasoline. I’ll tell you folks, solar and wind will not keep us warm. As long at the cold north winds blow, and while the sun is shining, which rarely happens in the northern part of the country, we will be ok. When the clouds come in and covers up the sun, and the wind quits blowing, we will have go to bed to keep warm. Besides solar and wind will not give us all the by-product that oil gives us so be prepared to do without everything such at black top road, plastice, roofs, and this list goes on for over 125 times, or more. Only idiots, or morans, would vote to keep this president, and his Zombies, in power or another 4 years. Libs, unless you can intelligently controdict what I have said here, just keep it in your own mind as I don’t even want to hear it…

  • JD

    VIGILANT,
    Seems to me that you have a Legal mind and like the typical Defense Lawyer, you don’t seem to care about the victims, just Win every case especially on technicalities to prove your smarter than everyone else. Was you a JAG lawyer in the military? I also served a full 30 years in the Corps and am a Vietnam Vet. I understand that our military justice system is different from the civilian side of life, and I know neither are perfect. I am intersted to know what your astute recommendations would be to help in persuing the astronical doubts and suspecions on the Birther issue that has so many of us gravely concerned that we might have The Termanator himself in our White House who is the Master Manipulator Hell Bent on the destruction of our freedoms and liberties. If you have no comment, I will better understand your political position. To all other readers and thinkers, What say you?
    No Jane Fonda at my address…

    JD Sends

    • JD

      VIGILANT,

      Let me admit ahead of criticism, I mis-spelled ASTRONOMICAL, and yes, I do know the meaning.

      JD Sends

  • Phil Malham Jr

    Wayne,

    He was not justly convicted. The key words you used were ” Military folks must obey those properly placed over you.” We in the military swore an oath to protect and defend against ” all ” enemies ” foreign and domestic…..” Alot of you folks talk about a ” lawful order .” A lawful order is not one that just comes from an officer simply because he/she is an officer. We have plenty of those expample from Vietnam….How about Lt Calley ? He obery his ” lawful orders ” and was used as a scapegoat because of it. A lawful order is one that combines aspects of military necessity, along with a moral and ethical code. With out the moral and ethics to shore up an order, it can not be lawful. While I do accept as a former Marine that orders need to be obeyed, I also recognize that some orders are not lawful simply because of the character of the officer and the reason those orders were issued. I taught my troops of use their heads and never issued an order that would violate my moral or ethical codes nor theirs.

    • Wayne937

      It sounds to me like you folks are getting wayne, and wayne937 mixed up. We are two different people. I am very much a Conservative, and against Obama’s stupid ideology. Vigilant, I don’t know you are referring to in your post. I hope it is not me.

    • Wayne937

      Phil Malham Jr., what you have stated shows me that you use commom sense. That is what needs to be applied, not some order out of a book that been around for years, and year. The book just gives you guide lines to follow, but we need to apply commom sense as well. As you can see, there are a few on this forum that does not use common sense. Everyone with common sense, would realize that there are times we have to make deviation from the normal things we do in our everyday life. Jovi, Eddie and Karolyn are just some of the few I am talking about. They cannot think for themselves as normal people would. They cannot deviate from what is written in the book. Again, this shows their lack of commom sense.

      • Wayne937

        Oops, I just checked my message again, and realized I make some mistakes in spelling common sense. I do know how to spell it, it is my fingers that gets tangled up. We need to be able to edit our work which would prevent this.

  • always right

    “Duty, Honor, Country” (Gen. Douglas McArthur)
    This man had a sworn DUTY to follow only lawful orders, in accordance with his Oath to Support and Defend the Constitution (oath below)
    It was his HONOR that demanded that he take the tack he did, and HONOR his oath
    His COUNTRY is at risk at the hands of this pretender.

    This man is a rare find in the world today; an honest, brave, honorable man willing to sacrific all for his country.

    The U.S. military officer’s oath demands that the officers disobey any orders they feel are in conflict qith the U.S. Constitution.

    I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

    The officers’ oath does not include any provision to obey orders as does the enlisted personnel’s. They’re both bound by the Uniform Code of Military Justice but the enlisted folks swear an oath to obey lawful orders (which, of course MUST come from a lawful source; i.e. a president who is qualified for the office and mentally competent, both of which are still open to discussion here) , officers in the service of the United States are bound by this oath to disobey any order that violates the Constitution of the United States. Lt.Col. Lakin is one of only 3 officers currently on active duty who had the guts to do what his oath orders. The man is a STUD and a hero. Patrick Henry has nothing on this man.

  • Another Voice

    This is a joke, right? More birther stuff just to fill up space because you don’t really have anything to say?

    • Wayne937

      Are you from the future? You can’t be from the past as you would have better sense that to say what you saying. People from the past can seen how this country should be going, but people from the future do not have any insight, and should not be on this forum with people from the real world’s past. Go back into the future, and disapear.

  • Wayne937

    If you would like to see how your Congress Member is voting to here:
    http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/votes/?votenum=72&chamber=S&congress=1121 Then pass it on to your friends who are interested in restoring sanity back into our nation.

  • Orville

    It is time for a retrial.
    This Administration has mandated that our enemy combatants and terrorist must be tried in a Federal court of law in New York using the legal rules of American law, where they must proven guilty by those laws.
    This mandate By this Administration should be used to allow Mr. Lakin to retry his case in a Federal court room using the normal proceeding with the same rights This Administration has given enemy combatants and Terrorist. Don’t forget they too have sworn an oath to attack and destroy Americans.

  • http://revealing-revelations.net Rev. Dr. Leslie Mary Trombly

    Unfortunately Wayne is right about the UCMJ. However, I think that it needs to be updated to allow questions such as Lt. Col. Larkin had to be addressed and answered. Reason: Are we to send our Military men and women in like lambs to the slaughter because of a Dictator or a President whose, birth certificate verification has been hidden and over 2 million spent on keeping that and other verifying records that way. Through my own sources(Don’t ask me to reveal them, because I won’t) I know for a fact that Obama is Kenyan born and he is pure muslim. Lt. Col Larkin had very right ot ask that question and instead of doing what the Military did to him, they should have had the common sense to just answer the question and tell them they didn’t know or have the answer to it and given him the option to leave the service or to decide to continue to serve His country honorably in spite of all the questions about the legitimacy of this “so-called” President. I know that I am probably going to get alot of flack for this but in all honesty, I am of the opinion that he is not qualified to be president of this great country and I believe he is the cataylst to the downfall of this country. You doubt me? Look at what he has done for the past three years and you be the judge. Of course there are those who are so blind that they can’t see the forest for the trees; then there are others who will continually believe all the lies and deceptions that he is pulling on the American people! I say Bravo Lt. Col Larkin! I am only sorry that you had to pay such a heavy price for asking the most importan question of all as a Military man!. Perhaps someday soon, they will reverse what they did in the miliitary and restore you to your rank, pension and pay! Either way, I am praying for you and for things to be reversed in your Favor! God Bless You! (By the aw, I am a former Army Nurse that serve during the Vietnam war and yes I am A woman)

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    The military does have it own set of rules, right or wrong, they have them, and though not always right, they are what they are, and all that serve, know it. And I totally understand the hypocracy in that he was basically forced to show his now or go to jail, with no questions asked or told, and Obama wasnt, because of that thing all that have served in the military know about, called rank has its priveleges. There was a time when I served, I went on leave, and when I came back, my ship mysteriously wasnt on the pier. They left 2 days earlier than they were supposed to, from California, while I was home in Indiana. Nobody told me, nobody notified me. So I stayed in the base barracks for 2 weeks, and when the ship came back, they took me to Captains mass and found me guilty of missing ships movement, and restricted me to the ship for 2 weeks, gave me 2 weeks of extra duty, and took a stripe from me, but suspended it do to my good record, providing for the 2 weeks I did what I was supposed to do. It was travesty of justice, I had no guilt in this, but I got caught up in it, and that is just how it is. You learn to swallow your pride when you see the injustices of some have and some dont have, and learn to make the best of any situation you are in. It changed me from a boy to a man, and Ill always be grateful of that. And it made me understand, as I gained rank, then became a civilian, to treat people fairly and honestly, not using my position to tear someone else down, like many of the officers did when I served. But when it comes to fairness, if he had to show his, Obama sure should have been showing his.

  • tom heikkinen

    Hey only one way to get this fixed. Remove Obama in the next presidential election.

    A Veteran

  • jopa

    tom heikkinen;From one Suomalainen to another I believe Obama will be re-elected for the good of this country.Lt Col Larkin deserved to be court martialed for disobeying orders.As was stated above in the second post it was not up for debate by Larkin.

  • http://libertydigest tina

    Lt.Col. Terry Lakin is a true American hero. Trying to protect America,from the illegal muslim ursurper in the whitehouse. For the “Biggest Crime In The History of Our Nation”. “Soebarkah” has just by his own admission,committed fraud with the computer generated bc. HE OWNS IT NOW. As far as his stolen ss#, well,much more to come.Jerome Corsi’s book is going to help put the final nail in the house. Buckle your seatbelts Patriots,it’s gonna be a bumpy ride.

    • truesoy

      Tina,
      You should seek professional help, and do it before is too late! or maybe you could get off the pipe!

  • http://jbmosher36@netzero.net Jack Mosher

    Two BC ONE IN HOSPITAL ONE OUT. TWIN?

  • Bambucha

    To Jovi:
    Read your reply to me.
    Sau kissa mu-le
    Babboose.
    Pi-ro-mo go ja sik.
    Baka furo waru-ba.
    Bakatare.
    Bang-sit Ti___ ___.
    Pi-lau ku-kai.
    Forgive me if I have slaughtered any of these languages.

    This does not prove me from Hawaii, but it does show that I have a slight grasp of the languages spoken in these islands. One thing most people from here do NOT like, is attempts at marginalizing our views because they do not conform to your ideas.
    Kind of like Shinseki should quit because his “ideas are wrong”? YEAH. THAT turned out really well didn’t it?
    Yeah, we know of your kind. Hawaii history has been splattered by “your kind of views”.
    His cert still does not look like mine, and I am from Hawaii.

  • Bambucha

    Dear Jovi,
    It was rude of me to make fun of your ignorance by insulting you in other languages. I apologize.
    When one is attacked by preconceived notions, emotions sometimes get the better of ones civility. Where did the idea of Peru come from?

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  • truesoy

    Mr. Wood;
    I wish my reading of your post would have come sooner but as the saying goes, ‘it’s beter late than never’.
    Although most responses here are a diatribe of nonsense from highly misinformed people, and/or people that have ‘unresolved issues’, I find it disingenuous on your part to portray Lt.Col Lakin’s actions as that of a patriot. You should know better, and you do!; you are not stupid. However, I find it amaizing as to how many of your readers accept your expose’ of the events leading to the now Mr. Lakin’s arrest and Court Martial while member of the military.
    T set the record straight it is a violation of the UCMJ to disobey a lawful order by a superior, and he disobeyed a lawful order from his superiors. It’s also a violation to miss a military movement, and he missed a military movement, and he did this during war time, wilfully. At any other time, and maybe under another president, the consequences could have been more severe; an yet, you want to make this man a ‘patriot’. Since when is this so?, is it since we have a president that ‘does not meet’ a presidential image that ‘matches’ the image you see in a ‘mirror’? This man had a choice prior to being order to deploy, he could had resigned his commission andgo home, but he didn’t; he continued to continued to collect a paycheck without questions, why? because as long as the money kept coming his ‘moral value’ was greed, and when ordered to deploy his ‘moral issue’ was cowardice. His punishment was not severe enough.
    It seems that in ‘a conservative world’ the value of patriotism flows like the stock market, some days up, some days down, all depends on who you favor at any given time to sit in the Oval Office; you know, the flavor of the election cycle. And the present flavor is not one of your choice.
    But just imagine what would happen if we, as a society, started promoting within the military your ideas of patriotism in accordance to the flavor of the election cycle?. Are you sure you want that? if so, could you then make of The United States a better Honduras than Honduras? continue thinking about this because that is what conservatives are driving at.
    One thing though, the response by most in this blog show such ignorance about the subject (one that you appear to knowingly take advantage of), that I’m inclined to suggest that a military draft for men and women could be the answer to filling the ‘knowledge gap’ that so many of your readers have on this subject.
    Besides, we will then be able to see which ones of these conservatives ‘war hawks’ are real, once they know their ‘butt’ will be drafted and shipped to war. Reminder: some of the biggest proponents for war were the ones that got multiple deferments to the draft during the Vietnam war, ex. republican Vice President Dick Cheney (5 deferments, the last one because his wife was pregnant), and conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh (had a cyst on his butt)
    What I see here is that many conservatives talk a good game, and that’s it!. and you don’t do right to you readers when your writing is full of half truths and misleading information, and or no truth at all in many of the statements you make in your writings, this one in particular. It does not say much about your readers, specially to make informed decisions at the election booth. A democracy can’t survive in this manner.
    And last but not least, please tell the truth.

    Sincerely,

    Truesoy