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It’s the Spending, Stupid

September 24, 2010 by  

It’s the Spending, Stupid

Now there’s a message I hope you’ll see and hear a lot between now and election day — on bumper stickers on the backs of cars, in email messages and letters to the editor, on radio talk shows and a hundred other places; including in front of every polling place in the country, if that were allowed.

Please do your share to pass it around — including sending this column to a few dozen friends and family members who should read it. I wish I could take credit for the slogan — an obvious twist on the James Carville/Bill Clinton message two decades ago — but I can’t. It was the headline in a Daniel Henninger column last week in The Wall Street Journal.

Henninger began by quoting the president at a town-hall meeting in Fairfax, Va., where our Obfuscator in Chief attempted to explain the election victories of various Tea Party candidates.

“They saw the Recovery Act. They saw TARP. They saw the auto bailout. And they look at these and think, ‘God, all these huge numbers adding up.’  So they’re right to be concerned about that.”

Right. You feel our pain. I think we’ve heard that before.

Of course, the president could also have mentioned new deficits of more than a trillion dollars a year, two $3-trillion budgets since he took office, and a trillion-dollar healthcare entitlement shoved down our throats. Voters aren’t just “concerned,” Mr. President. Many of them have had it up to here with bloated, wasteful government spending. They are, to quote a wonderful old movie, mad as h**l and they’re not going to take it anymore.

If you consider yourself one of the “they” referred to above, you can take heart from the latest poll results. Last week the Rasmussen poll queried potential voters. Nearly seven out of 10 — an outstanding 68 percent of the total — said they want smaller government and lower taxes, even if that comes at the cost of fewer services.

The number was highest, of course, among people who identified themselves as Republicans, with 88 percent saying they wanted spending reduced. Democrats scored the lowest, but a still impressive 44 percent in favor of cuts. And where did the independents fall? Some 74 percent joined the anti-spending crowd.

My liberal friends, you’ve got trouble. Big trouble. And not just in River City. I’m not sure there’s a lie big enough, or a smear nasty enough, to keep you from getting your heads handed to you this fall.

If I were running against an incumbent, one of the first questions I would ask is, where were you when the tax cuts expired? And why did you do nothing to preserve them?

In case you’ve missed all the hullabaloo, here’s what’s happening… or, to be accurate, not happening.

Back in 2001, blessed by a healthy Republican majority in the House and Senate, George Bush persuaded Congress to approve some of the largest tax cuts in our country’s history. The Democrats couldn’t stop the legislation, but they very cleverly exacted a condition: The tax cuts would expire on Dec. 31, 2010, unless Congress extended them.

We’re getting awfully close to the witching hour and thus far, Congress hasn’t done a thing… except expend a lot of hot air. If Congress does nothing over the next three months — and usually, I’ve got to admit, that’s exactly what I wish the esteemed men and women who represent us would do — you and every other taxpayer in this country will see a lot more money taken from your pocket next year and given to Uncle Sam.

In fact, it will amount to the largest tax increase in U.S. history. And it will impact almost every taxpayer in the country. The front-page story in my local paper said it all: “Unless Congress acts, almost all earning levels will be paying more — from the wealthy to the working poor.”

And please don’t let anyone sucker you into believing that what’s at stake here are “tax breaks for the wealthy.”  That is a bunch of hokum. Listen to this: “A typical family of four with a household income of $50,000 a year would have to pay $2,900 more in taxes in 2011, according to a new analysis by Deloitte Tax LLP, a tax-consulting firm,” according to a story by The Associated Press.

But if you do make more than Obama’s $250,000 threshold, get ready to be really hammered. Starting on Jan. 1, 2011, the top marginal income-tax rate is set to increase to 39.6 percent from 35 percent. The phase-out of itemized deductions will raise that rate to 40.8 percent. Now that Obamacare has passed there will also be a 3.8 percent healthcare tax, starting in 2013. So the total Federal tax rate for our highest earners will be 44.6 percent.

But, in fact, it will be even higher. When the Bush tax cuts expire, taxes on stock dividends and capital gains will go from 15 percent to 20 percent. President Barack Obama has said he would like to see them raised as high as 28 percent.

And here’s an astounding fact that is known (or should be) to every member of Congress: Whenever Congress has increased taxes on capital gains in the past, actual tax collections have gone down.

That’s right: When government raises the tax rate, actual receipts drop. When you think about it, it’s not hard to understand why. Capital gains only occur when someone sells an investment and reports making a profit on it. But most of the time, they don’t have to sell. Given the mood of the country right now, how many investors will sit on their holdings rather than give more and more of them to a greedy, grasping, irresponsible government?

Oh, and there’s one more monstrosity racing down the road toward us. That is the re-imposition of the dreaded estate tax. Beginning next year the estate tax is slated to return to 55 percent on inheritances above $1 million. Right now, because Congress did nothing last year, the estate tax is zero. That explains the delirious joy on the part of the heirs of such billionaires as John Kluge and George Steinbrenner.

By dying this year, they saved their families over a billion dollars in taxes. Imagine — their heirs got all the money, not Uncle Sam. No wonder the distributionists among us are having apoplexy.

Where does all that money go? Part of it makes certain that Federal employees now make, on average, more than twice as much as workers in the private sector. That’s the startling conclusion of an analysis by USA Today, which found that anyone lucky enough to be gobbling at the Federal trough receives, on average, some $41,791 in benefits a year.

That’s in addition to a salary, on average, of $81,258 a year. Private workers, in comparison, earn only $61,051 in total compensation.

Let me repeat the first number, to make sure you grasp it. The average benefits of a Federal employee, above and beyond the salary he or she actually gets paid, comes to $41,791 a year.

If that isn’t enough to make you want to throw some tea into Boston Harbor — and a whole bunch of incumbents along with it, I don’t know what will.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

— Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • dan az

    Does anyone know whats after a trillion dollars?
    Its the New World Order!
    Ive heard numbers in excess of 56 trillion by the year 2013. You would think that this economy would be booming but all I see is unemployed and failed business. Where is all the money? Sure they are spending it on jobs (government employees) but where is the rest? If you gave each legal citizen about 500.000 then you would have only spent 1 trillion and if you taxed it at 50% everyone would have paid off all debt and the government would have only dished out 500 billion.Jobs would be created we wouldnt have homeless vets living in boxes. The economy would be at full swing. I dont get it where is the money?

    • Al Sieber

      dan, I think after a trillion comes a Quintillion, there isn’t a calculator or computer with that many zeros. that’s what happened in parts of Europe after WW2, hyperinflation big time and it’s headed this way.

      • alpha-lemming

        ??? quadrillion and then quintillion ???

        • Al Sieber

          alpha, that could be it, anyways, that’s a lot of zeros.

          • Denniso

            The federal gov’t budget is not like a familiy, city, or state budget,all 3 of which have to be balanced. The federal gov’t can and very often does run for yrs on a deficit, and in times of recession should run a deficit if needed to stimulate the flat economy. Almost ALL economists agree on this.

            Without all the gov’t spending now in this largest collapse since ’29,
            we would be in a full blown global depression. Spending that includes
            keeping all the gov’t workers employed at all levels of gov’t,as well as gov’t contracts for thousands of private companies. Spending like paying the salaries for the military…soldiers,cooks,clerks,truck drivers,medics,mechanics,Generals, and again,all the military contracts for supplies,gasoline,bullets,tanks,planes,etc…

            Sure, take away all the gov’t spending and watch us become a 3rd world country over night. Then you’ll have something to whine about.

          • Michael J.

            I beleive the word you are looking for is “Obamillion”

          • DaveH

            “Almost ALL economists agree on this”. Yeah, right. Only the bought and paid for economists agree on that. A well-known fact is that almost all Liberals fabricate facts to support their propaganda.
            If Big Government spending was the solution, there would be no poor countries. Any ignorant leaders can tax and spend.
            Keynesian economics were disproven soundly during the Carter administration. Now 30 years later, the Liberals have forgotten that lesson. Does it make sense that if a person, a family, a state, or a country can’t live within their means now, that they will be able to have a better life later when they not only have the former costs to deal with, but now have to add debt payments to that burden? Only Hopers and Dreamers can not grasp that reality.
            For anybody who really wants to learn:
            http://mises.org/daily/4648

          • DaveH

            If anybody is inclined to grasp Denniso’s propaganda, please look at this list of countries arranged in order of their Economic Freedom. keep in mind that the less economic freedom there is, the bigger government is. Countries that practice Denniso’s methods are at the bottom of the list. Would you want to live in any of those?
            http://www.heritage.org/index/Ranking.aspx

          • a progressive nightmare

            I see ole Denniso is back at it again: “Sure, take away all the gov’t spending and watch us become a 3rd world country over night. Then you’ll have something to whine about.”

            Boy that makes sense!!! You seem to be about 180 degress out of phase. Yep, if we don’t keep printing and spending TRILIONS to keep all these government workers employed, I guest we are going to become a 3rd world country! SMAAAARTTT!!! Only from a progressive, with a degree in economics, could possibly make such a foolish statement.

            I guess that means, prior to this bloated federal workforce, with pay scales that double WE THE PEOPLE’s, we were a 3rd world country????

            What is unbelievable to me is the fact that we are wasting our time even having this conversation. Printing and spending money to get out of debt are mutually exclusive and only a progressive would attempt to defend this stupidity.

            As far as 3rd world status? Give these progressive-marxist a few more years in power and you fill get it. Plain and Simple! Comrades!

            Beam me up Scotty!

          • Denniso

            I wonder why the rest of the world,except the few countries that weren’t hit hard by the collapse,followed the same basic plan to rescue their economies? The world is wrong, but you people are right?

          • DaveH

            I wonder why the “Rest of the World” didn’t become the wealthiest nation on the Earth? I wonder why the smart people (the minority) don’t let the majority dictate their life choices? I wonder why the minority of people score in the 90th percentile? Duh!

          • a progressive nightmare

            Denisso, Who said we want to be like the “Rest of the World”????? We aren’t socialists, marxists or communists, at least not yet! I guess that dissapoints you, doesn’t it?

            I cringe ever time one of you progressives compare us to the rest of the world. In case you haven’t noticed, WE DON’T GIVE A DARN what the rest of the world does when it comes to their form of government! If their pathetic little people want to be socialized, THEN HAVE AT IT!!!!

          • denniso

            Almost the entire world has a capitalist economy w/ varying degrees of gov’t involvement. There is no such thing as a country of any size or wealth w/o some major gov’t involvement and control of their economic system.

          • a progressive nightmare

            Back to Denniso again, I see.

          • DaveH

            There have always been and always will be people that do things better than anybody else. Denniso is representative of the typical Liberal thinking. Liberals almost always seek the lowest common denominator. That’s why wherever they have the power, their economies suffer. I want to nurture the champions, unlike Denniso and his Liberal ilk who want to nurture the losers.

          • dan az

            Hey Al
            what ever it is dont tell omumber!!!!

          • Denniso

            So is that why the Scandavian countries have been doing well for generations? Their gov’ts aren’t involved in their economy? Wrong…

          • Jeff

            The Myth of the Scandinavian Model…why are the Scandinavian countries doing such a bad job, despite their Protestant work ethic and devotion to duty? The main cause is the essence of the nanny state: its very high tax level. Between 1990 and 2005 the average overall tax burden was 55% in Finland, 58% in Denmark and 61% in Sweden. This is almost one and a half times the OECD average.
            Together with Italy, these three Scandinavian countries are the worst performing economies in the entire European Union.

            Ireland surpasses all other EU members in prosperity, job creation, social expenditure and productivity per working hour.

            Ireland has proved that a substantial lowering of the taxation level can become the motor for launching even the most slackish economy into full gear. A drastic reduction of the Irish tax rate, from 53% in 1986 to its current 35% , has led to a continuous boom of wealth creation at an average rate of 5.6% during the past two decades, while the number of jobs has grown by over 50%. In barely 18 years Ireland jumped from the 22nd to the 4th place in the OECD prosperity ranking.

            One crucial element of the Irish model is its “fair tax” system, in which there is less emphasis on taxing labour and profit and slightly more on taxing consumption. This balance between direct and indirect taxation motivates labourers and entrepreneurs to make productive contributions. It stimulates new initiatives and guarantees a high degree of participation.
            http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/510

          • Anthony

            Curious how Denniso… couldn’t google up that info on his/her own. Notice Denniso never prints up links to support his comments.

            Almost all Economists agree? Where exactly did Denniso read this sophistry.

            The Austrian Economic Model is what proves and supports and sustains real Capitalism. Everything else is Fractional Banking… i.e: The Rothschild model.

          • Jeff

            Anthony, my thoughts exactly. While I’m far from an expert on much of anything I’ve learned not to take a liberal at his/her word.
            Even a “caveman can google”!

          • eddie47d

            Dave H.; “You want to nuture the champions” Is that right? How about Wachovia and Lehman Bros. and Unitedhealthcare and Goldman Sacs and AIG and Citi Bank and Westinghouse and Merrill Lynch.You and the New World Order championed one and all. Their sending jobs overseas and scamming the American public was disgusting and they bit us all in the butt. Hardly my kind of champion!

          • Denniso

            To the guys up above…you can produce web links for any political position, wacky or reasoned.

            Scandanavia? Look up the quality of life world index…things like infant mortality,rape,murder,abuse,income,life span…see how we compare w/ most of the other civilized countries. We’re not at the top.

        • a progressive nightmare

          1,000 X 1 thousand = 1 million (10 to the 6th) POWERS
          1,000 X 1 million = 1 billion (10 to the 9th)
          1,000 X 1 billion = 1 trillion (10 to the 12th)
          1,000 X 1 trillion = 1 quadrillion (10 to the 15th)
          1,000 X 1 quadrillion = 1 quintillion (10 to the 18th)
          1,000 X 1 quintillion = 1 sextillion (10 to the 21st)
          1,000 X 1 sextillion = 1 septillion (10 to the 24th)
          1,000 X 1 septillion = 1 octillion (10 to the 27th)
          1,000 X 1 octillion = 1 nonillion (10 to the 30th)
          1,000 X 1 nonillion = 1 decillion (10 to the 33rd)
          1,000 X 1 decillion = 1 undecillion (10 to the 36th)
          1,000 X 1 undecillion = 1 duodecillion (10 to the 39th)

          I think the progressives are probably shooting for a sextillion or 10 to the 21st power. Their minds would equate that number to more sex and drugs in the 21st century! LOL!!!

          • FreedomFighter

            The Savage Manifesto for Saving America

            1. Close the Borders
            2. De-fund and Repeal ObamaCare
            3. Institute a Flat Tax
            4. Regulate Wall Street
            5. End Affirmative Action
            6. Liquidate Tarp
            7. Impose Tariffs on China
            8. Strike Down Anchor Babies Law
            9. Use Profiling to Prevent Terror Attacks
            10. Run the Country Like a Business, Not an Empire

            Probably more but Doc Savage is hitting it hard here, for a good start.

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • DaveH

            Sorry, Fighter, but tariffs and other forms of Protectionism (Smoot-Hawley) were a big contributor to the Great Depression. Protecting companies from competition is little different than protecting individuals from failure. Both encourage sloth.
            There is one thing and one thing only that is destroying our economy. It isn’t China; it’s Big Government.

          • Anthony

            DaveH is correct. Protectionism was also the root cause for the American Civil War.

    • HFlashman

      Dan….

      You speak as if what pres. Obama inherited was a normal recessionary period. OK…sit back. You had unemployed increasing in the 500,000 range. Credit was shut off to consumers and business. GNP was faling like a rock, the auto industry (100,000′s of jobs) was ready to go under, banks and financial institutions were disappearing, TARP I funds were given away and there was nothing coming back from that debacle, health insurance costs were skyrocketing and millions were being dropped as they lost their job, housing was dead as home values were falling 50% in some areas, energy costs were going up, two wars were draining our economy, the dollar was dropping like a rock, Europe was in an economic freefall, and China was buying our debt by the billions..

      OK…what would you have done?

      Today …

      1. Banks are stablized and TARP II is making us money.
      2. The AMERICAN auto industry is sound, well situated, growing in employed, and we’ve made a ton of $$ on that deal as the loans are being repaid and the stock being bought back
      3. We are now in a positive employment growth as far as numbers being added, the public sector employment is dropping while the private sector numbers increasing,
      4. Home values have stabilized
      5. Health care costs are levelling off except with the deals cut with the GOP to allow us to be raped a while longer by the insurance oligarchy
      6. Credit is slowly coming back to be made available (except for Small Business which has been gutted by the GOP saying “no” until the Big Boys are allowed to pig out and take any monies available for the truly small businesses)
      7. Energy is stable
      8. We’re out of one war and beating them up on the other
      9. NO successful terrorist attacks
      10. Education reform is on the way (thank gawd because the debacle known as No Child Left behind was a raging success…federalized the schools and left all children behind)

      And yet…you scream about the current situation.

      Be specific…you say cut government spending? What would you cut? Go ahead…and BTW, what would your cuts affect both short term and long term (economically, employment, and competitive marketplace wise).

      My bet?

      No one here will answer this. Because when harsh reality replaces 7th grade mentality it’s apparent this admin has done a lot to halt our decline and set us back on course. Yes..there is waste..but not to the extent the wacked Right (exemplified by your post) like to yell and foam about. And no one has said the deficits are sustainable nor warranted…except the GOP which wants to INCREASE the deficit by giving 2% of the people a massive tax break and nail another $600 billion per year to the deficit.

      OK

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        HFlashman.. You do like to spin, don’t you? Most of what you said should be taken with a grain of salt. At best, they were half-truths. I know. I shouldn’t respond to you because it only encourages you to start on another rant, but you are looking through rose colored glasses and not seeing the clear picture.

        • Joyce from Loris

          My favorite part was “NO successful terrorist attacks”. That’s something, huh? I guess terrorist attacks like the one in Ft. Hood, that killed and maned all those soldiers doesn’t count?

          • HFlashman

            So if someone goes “postal” or some nutcase shoots someone or runs them down … that’s a terrorist attack? Whoa … hokayyyyy

          • DaveH

            Some nutcase? He wasn’t a terrorist?
            Let’s see. He was Muslim. He was shouting “Allahu Akbar!” (Allah is the greatest).
            Internal Army reports indicate officers within the Army were aware of Hasan’s tendencies toward radical Islam since 2005.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting

            You have further weakened your credibility with that one, Flash.

          • Vicki

            HFlashman’s credibility is 0. How is he going to weaken it from there?

        • http://naver samurai

          HFlashman is a great man in his own mind. So much lib rhetoric!

          • HFlashman

            LOL … can’t answer the hard question or bring yourself to mebaressment and try to point out what you imagine are errors in my post eh?

          • DaveH

            Flashman says “We are now in a positive employment growth as far as numbers being added, the public sector employment is dropping while the private sector numbers increasing”.
            So, let’s analyze the situation.
            In January of 2009 the employment numbers (non-farm) were 133.5 million. In August of 2010 the employment numbers (non-farm, preliminary) were 130.3 million. A net loss of 3.2 million employees.
            In January of 2009 the National Debt $10.6 Trillion. The National Debt is currently $13.5 Trillion. That is a net gain of $2.9 Trillion that we now owe. That is about $8,800 for every man, woman, and child in this country.
            So, we have lost 3.2 million employees since January 2009, and it only cost us $2.9 Trillion in extra debt? Only a Liberal could call that money well-spent.

          • DaveH

            This is too funny, Flashman. Your very first point:
            “1. Banks are stablized and TARP II is making us money.”

            Too bad the news can’t cooperate with your fabricated facts, Flashman:
            http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-ap-us-bank-closures,0,6099722.story

          • Denniso

            DaveH can’t imagine that the recession would be a great depression w/o the bailouts and stimulus? No, you can’t prove it either way because we’re not going to go back in time and try another approach to the collapse. But, some of us can remember the panic and freefall
            of the economy in early ’09 and can project that the spiral down would have continued w/o gov’t help. Are we pleased that the financial
            sector that pays it’s fatcats several million $ in salary had to be rescued by us the taxpayers? Hell no! But it had to be done to stop the snowball heading downhill and it’s benefited all of us w/ a stable economy and stock market and recovered investments and pension value.

          • DaveH

            So tell me, Denniso, how bailing out the people, who mismanaged the money in the first place, so that they survive to continue competing against the people that did the right things, is going to help the economy? The message there is that it does no good to work hard and make the right choices because the Liberals are going to take your money and give it to the people who didn’t work hard and didn’t make the right choices. And you think that will make a good economy?
            Would you, Denniso, rehire a money-manager who lost your money? Apparently you would.

          • denniso

            It should be obvious to you since you feign some knowledge of economics…our capitalist system is built upon a financial sector that is integral to commerce,consumption,manufacturing…if the financial sector fails, including good old banks,then our entire economy breaks down. It isn’t as simple as letting a few banks fail,that happens every day in normal times,it’s allowing a collapse of the system that then affects absolutely everyone…not just the additional unemployed we have now.

          • DaveH

            It is you, Denniso, that “feigns” a knowledge of economics.
            Just as a gangrenous limb needs to be removed to prevent harm to the rest of the body, so do inefficiently run companies need to be left to fail to prevent harm to the rest of the economy. When a company fails it doesn’t just vaporize. Rather its viable assets are bought up and nurtured by other companies, which companies are run by people that do the right things instead of the wrong things. When, instead, the losers are bailed out they just go on to make more wrong decisions and cost the economy more money.
            It’s obvious from your comments, Denniso, that you don’t have a clue about economic reality.

          • Denniso

            Think a little rather than just rant…in normal times businesses fail
            and life goes on,happens all the time. This collapse was not normal,if you recall. We hadn’t had a crash this big since ’29. When a
            crash occurs the economy shrinks a bit. When the crash is large enough
            there is a domino effect and a panic can develop,as in ’29, and as was
            happening w/ this latest collapse. The gov’t stepped in to halt the panic and downward spiral that could continue until a depression resulted.

            That’s why,most credible economists backed what the gov’t of Bush as well as Obama did. It worked…we are stable,the market is way up and the cost was affordable. Much of the deficits is the result of lower tax revenues because of the recession.

        • HFlashman

          Ok…what are your perceived ‘half truths” ?

          BTW…note that no one can asnwer the end question. Avoidance ofr reality is what is occurring. Even your post…you avoid the question and claim, without substantiation, “half truths”.

          OK I’m calling you on it. What are “half truths” in my post?

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            HFlashman… Each point you made was a half truth. If I was in charge, which I will never be, but if I was, I couldn’t do a worse job than our current administration, I would abolish the IRS and enact the Fair Tax. I would not allow the ‘lumping of bills together’ and each issue would be a separate bill. Those people that were working for the IRS could now begin to monitor government give away programs. I would break the unions. Congress would have to disclose all tax monies they spend. Congress would have to disclose all lobbyists incentives. I wouldn’t bail out another company. The list could go on and on. I really don’t expect you to comprehend common sense, but thought I would give it a shot anyway!

          • HFlashman

            That’s what you would have done coming into office facing that situation eh? And…anyone care to proffer up what the resulting economic situation would have been?

            You would have told each auto worker and those that rely on the auto industry for jobs…go to hell. You would have allowed the financial credit squeeze to kill business, you would have let the dollar continue in free fall. OK…and you would have killed unions, wiped out the IRs, enacted a Flat Tax…right away.

            Doesn’t matter that the vast majority of Americans would disagree with your propsals…you’d be a dictator and force Congress to enact that legislation while the house is falling down? So much for love of country and patriotism … you’ve just announced you support the ame goal as terrorists..the destruction of our Nation.

            So we have established one thing…you have no idea what you’re talking about. A 7th grade generality applied to the real world doesn’t work.

          • DaveH

            No, Flashman, she would have let GM either fail or correct its mistaken policies that led up to its collapse. A large part of GM’s failures were the result of Union extravagance and extortion. So, the Liberal answer was to screw the people who trusted their money with GM (the Bondholders), reward those Unions that largely contributed to GM’s lack of competitiveness, and further impoverish the taxpayers who had nothing to do with GM’s mismanagement. Sure, that helps the country. NOT!
            We all know that Liberal hearts bleed with other peoples’ money. Keep reminding us of that, Flashman, so we don’t forget.

          • Dick Gazinia

            Dave H-

            Some of GM’s problems were the result of deals with the unions, but there was a time when GM was doing great with that same union labor. The real problem that GM had was poor leadership. They were arrogant toward their customers, incapable of recognizing the need for innovative design to compete with foreign competition. Don’t blame the unions for the old boys in the board room approving designs that any teenager would recognize as weak compared to the competition.

            Even today they don’t get it. As a Chevy owner (I do try to buy American) I just got an ad for “loyal customers” including a a listing for a 2010 USED Malibu. The deal was 8.9% interest and $641.00 per month payments… for loyal customers.

            At the same time I can buy a NEW BMW for 0.9% interest, free maintenance, and much lower payments. A new Mercedes E class has a 1.9% interest rate and payments of $649 per month.

            What are they thinking?

          • a progressive nightmare

            Dick Said…..”Even today they don’t get it. As a Chevy owner (I do try to buy American) I just got an ad for “loyal customers” including a a listing for a 2010 USED Malibu. The deal was 8.9% interest and $641.00 per month payments… for loyal customers.

            At the same time I can buy a NEW BMW for 0.9% interest, free maintenance, and much lower payments. A new Mercedes E class has a 1.9% interest rate and payments of $649 per month.

            What are they thinking?”

            Well, who is running the company now? I bet flash knows!

          • DaveH

            Dick,
            We could jawbone all day long about whether management was the biggest contributor to the collapse or whether Unions were the biggest contributors to the collapse.
            The bottom line was that GM was headed for collapse. And the only way to economically prevent that is for all involved with the company to get together and do the right things. If they couldn’t, they should have been left to collapse. That is what makes the Free Market efficient. All the jawboning in the world can’t compare to actual experience. Instead, Obama threw good money (our good money) after bad and postponed the inevitable event for a while.

          • eddie47d

            Dave H. If you’re so concerned about the truth why did you automatically go after the unions. We’ve known about GM’s management problem for a couple of decades. Were you pressuring them 20 years ago to get their act together or are you Monday morning quaterbacking? Many of us on the “left” saw the crappy cars coming out of Detroit; and those designs and poor mileage were managements problem. The unions only put together what they were told to ,so they did their job.

      • Patriot

        You probably still think the Gas Chambers were a Shower! Your talking points are precious straight out of the Handbook!

        We will remember come this November, say it loud and proud! The silent majority will continue to speak, this is just the begining!

      • duggy dugg

        have you even looked at the national debt ? look it up ; 13 1/2 trillion! and soaring upward ; the massive problem is : BORROWING BY GOV’T,,, INSTEAD OF ISSUING CURRENCY , TREASUY BORROWS THE MONEY CONGRESS SPENDS ! YOU’RE ON THE HOOK FOR ITS REPAYMENT !

      • Vern

        Well flash its obvious your a liberal socialist who would probably vote for hussein again even though he’s an illegal alien whos bent on destroying the constitution and stripping Americans of their rights. Don’t worry that he’s guilty of high treason, you’ll be happy to let bigger and bigger govt. do your thinking for you and control your life. Your probably in favor of amnesty for illegals to, not to worry that their illegal to begin with, you’d give them all a free ride at the American taxpayers expense even though they never contributed a cent in taxes or even had any respect for the flag that feeds them. Just like your muslim president who won’t show any respect for our flag or the people who gave their all so you could sit back and call the tea party racist, Eric Holder is the worst racist in the country next to hussein, but no matter, your a good socilist and will allways believe the lies your told by the liberals. And no, im not a republican, they are just as guilty of putting America in the poor house and loosing respect around the world as the dems. So I won’t even bother to tell you that America was not intended to be a two party state and to vote independent or Libertarian, your heads stuck in the sands of lies and deciepts that the democrates and republicans have been pushing down our throats for the last century while they systematically destroy America for their own personal reasons.

      • S.C.Murf

        do you even remember that the dems were in control 2 years before barrack even got elected? All of this is the result of the march to a one world government. America is the military power behind the UN and they need all of us hurting in order for control. A dad that has hungry children will do about anything to see that they are fed. Also the government wont do to much about the drug and alcohol problem that we have in this country because its easier to control a people when they are drunk and drugged up, they can do about anything they want without to much interference. Get ready flashman for the one world gov. Even the leader of iran said this is what they are up to. If that towel head can see it you should to if you would quit looking at everything thru your liberal rose colored glasses

        • Rob

          Nice smack down.

        • eddie47d

          What color are your glasses? I think they need alittle windex.

      • Bruce

        Get off the Kool Aid

      • Joyce from Loris

        Flashman, this muslim soldier did not “go postal”, OK? He has been connected to terrorist, was committing a crime in the name of Allah. Yea, I would call that a pretty good example of a terrorist attack! Postal, indeed.

      • az wayne

        Typical flashman spew. Nothing backed up, all liberal talking points lined up wasting time and screen space. Any halfwit knows the problem started after dems got control of congress 2006, any public education grad understands lower numbers mean LOSS. Nothing this admin and congress has done since stealing all taxpayer money to payoff election debts has helped any citizens. The sad part they are still stealing week after week. Why they haven’t been arrested and put on trial is beyond me. Now watch the rats leave the white house, they think they ‘ve gotten all they need. Make room to bring in new marxists. Great work incompetent.

        • eddie47d

          Another great defender of corporates’ lack of moral discretion.Follow the money trail and it will lead you to Wall Street.

      • Donna Hansen

        Here is my 7th grade philosophy…My mama taught me that if I don’t have the money to spend…don’t spend it….back then there were no charge cards, no check books…and if you couldn’t afford something, you didn’t buy it…also…if you don’t want to work, there was no bail out…you went hungry… the taxpayers
        are the workers…they have families to feed..after their money is gone…who is
        Obama gonna go to then? The problem with socialism is you run out of other people’s money.

      • http://yahoo Irene Grooms

        YOU MUST BE ONE OF THOSE PROGRESSIVES CAUSE I PAY MORE IN TAXES NOW THAN EVER BEFORE IN MY LIFE TIME. WE NEED THE TAX BREAK THAT BUSH GOT FOR US WE NEED PEOPLE LIKE YOU TO SHUT UP AND SUPPORT US AMERICANS . THE RICH ARE THOSE THAT NEED A TAX BREAK AS WELL AS US. YOU’LL TAX US MORE IN THE COMING YEAR, AND WE NEED TO VOTE YOU OUT THAT DON’T RENEW THIS BILL THAT BUSH HAS IN EFFECT. I BELEIVE IN JUSTICE AND UNDER THIS ADMINSTRATION I DON’T FEEL LIKE WE’RE GETTING ANYTHING BUT A SLAP IN OUR FACE’ES.

      • carol

        Beam me up Scotty. You have not been educated you have been indoctrinated. Wow talk about being out of touch.

        Academic I would guess.

      • Michael J.

        HFlashman,
        It’s not that we agree, it’s that most here are not willing to justify your retro regurgitated MSNBC parroted remarks. You seem to excell in obnoxious redundancy, if we want propaganda we can merely tune in to the manufactured mantra of the messiah broadcast unabashedly on huffpo, media matters, etc. etc. to hear the same-o, same-o predictable rhetoric vile enough to make Bear Gryls puke.

        • eddie47d

          Dave H.; If the car companies are paying their debt down and repaying the government. Then how is that a loss to our economy? I don’t agree with all the bailouts and some of these companies should have been allowed to fail.Who’s to choose which ones and it was a nail biter for the government to do that. At least admit some of the success’s in the last two years and stop being as stubborn as a mule.

      • DaveH

        Any Liberal can fabricate facts, Flashman. How about some references to back up your supposed claims?
        http://reason.org/news/show/the-failure-of-obamas-stimulus

      • ALWAYS RIGHT

        HFlashman
        1. Banks are stablized and TARP II is making us money.
        (except the 422 on the edge of collapse right now, as the existing banksters are paying themesleves bonuses with tax $$$ after running their institutions & our economy into the ground)
        2. The AMERICAN auto industry is sound, well situated, growing in employed, and we’ve made a ton of $$ on that deal as the loans are being repaid and the stock being bought back
        (as the unions are paying their honchos bonuses with our tax $$$ and using TARP II funds to pay back TARP I funds. Then there’s the issue of the thousands of closed dealerships, most of which were onwed by republicrat supporters, and the hundreds of thousands of workers laid off)
        3. We are now in a positive employment growth as far as numbers being added, the public sector employment is dropping while the private sector numbers increasing,
        (What? This is a completely unsupportable LIE!)
        4. Home values have stabilized
        (on what planet? they’re still dropping on both coasts where most the people live)
        5. Health care costs are levelling off except with the deals cut with the GOP to allow us to be raped a while longer by the insurance oligarchy
        (Hmmm, the GAO doesn’t support your claim. Services will drop and costs go up. You need to lay off the hallucinogens, Flash. Then there’s the issue of the gubmint seizing the entire medical profession in this nation)
        6. Credit is slowly coming back to be made available except for Small Business which has been gutted by the GOP saying “no” until the Big Boys are allowed to pig out and take any monies available for the truly small businesses.
        (you mean “big boys” like obama’s union brown shirts and banksters paying themeselves bonuses out of our taxes?)
        7. Energy is stable
        (just as stable as is the middle east, since that’s where most our “energy” comes from. Are you saying that the middle east/islamic countries, are “stable”, flash?)
        8. We’re out of one war and beating them up on the other
        (just like we were out of Vietnam. Let the slaughter begin!!! PS: We’re NOT “beating them” in Afghanistan. it is like trying to nail jello to a tree on a warm day)
        9. NO successful terrorist attacks
        (Does “Ft. Hood” ring a bell there, flash? Wand the only reason the underwear bombed didn’t drop that plane into the city below and the Times Square bomber failed was bad luck on their part. homeland security was a “FAIL!!!!!”)
        10. Education reform is on the way (thank gawd because the debacle known as No Child Left behind was a raging success…federalized the schools and left all children behind)
        (More like “no child’s behind left behind” since we’re teaching homosexuality clear down to kindergarten and calling it ‘safety”. The entire problem with the schools in this nation, flash, is liberal, unionized teachers. That is spelled “d-e-m-o-c-r-a-t-s”)

        And yet…you scream about the current situation.

        Be specific…you say cut government spending? What would you cut?
        1.) Foreign Aid $17,850,000,000 (that’s 17.8 billions)
        2.) AFDC to illegals $65B a year
        3.) Incarceration if illegals (instead of deporting) $1.7B a year just for ICE
        4.) Cut off Social Security to anybody whose annuanl income is over $60k a year. John McCain doesn’t need SSI.
        5.) Stop the wiring of money from the US to foreign soil unless it is first run through a US gubmint accounting agency ($200B to messico alone)
        6.) Put a reward on the heads of illegals. Turn in an illegal, get $5k. Arrest, deport & seize 100% of the assets of each one captured since 100% of their assets are “fruits of a crime”. That would save @ $22k a year, ea. let them fight their deportation from foreign soil.
        7.) Drill baby, DRILL!. The Bakken fields have more oil than the middle east. That is drilling jobs, refinery jobs, pipeline jobs, trasnportation & sales jobs with all the accompanying white collar jobs to go with them. Best of all, NO money going to our enemies. $$ that says in the US gets turned over time and time again. $$ that leaves the nation is g-o-n-e.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          ALWAYS RIGHT… Thanks for going into more detail than I did with Flashman. He really believes the stuff he spews. I knew when I replied to him that it would throw him into a rant. He’s predictable! But, then again most liberals are!

        • patrick H.T. paine

          Today …(s) Fantasy v. Reality

          1. Banks are stablized and TARP II is making us money.

          Reality: Only the appearance of stability exists because
          the same accounting tricks of failure to “mark to market”
          toxic assets, which was what created and sustained the bubble
          in the first place, is still in place.

          2. The AMERICAN auto industry is sound, well situated, growing
          in employed, and we’ve made a ton of $$ on that deal as the loans
          are being repaid and the stock being bought back.

          Reality: Ton’s is an interesting standard, paper IS heavy, after all.
          Backward industry, still producing crap……

          3. We are now in a positive employment growth as far as numbers
          being added, the public sector employment is dropping while the
          private sector numbers increasing,

          Reality: Unemployment claims have increased, and since these reports
          are fudged for political reasons, and then re-adjusted, the truth is
          worse, so positive spin was not within reach. Hey the recession has
          been over for a year…….can you feel it?

          4. Home values have stabilized

          Reality: see (1) same reason, but we are now beginning the second wave of foreclosures.

          5. Health care costs are levelling off except with the deals cut
          with the GOP to allow us to be raped a while longer by the insurance oligarchy

          Reality: Nothing was reformed, but rising costs are now guaranteed,
          since coverage is mandatory, as are the profit margins. Increased costs
          mean increased premiums, by law.

          6. Credit is slowly coming back to be made available (except for
          Small Business which has been gutted by the GOP saying “no” until
          the Big Boys are allowed to pig out and take any monies available
          for the truly small businesses)

          Reality: see (1) the bailout allowed those failed firms access
          to the FED money at bottom rates. Read The SellOut; Gasparino

          7. Energy is stable

          Reality: Yup, plenty of free oil in the Gulf for the taking.

          8. We’re out of one war and beating them up on the other

          Reality: Headline: US Troops continue fighting in Iraq as Combat Mission Ends

          9. NO successful terrorist attacks

          Reality: wow, yippee……

          10. Education reform is on the way (thank gawd because the debacle
          known as No Child Left behind was a raging success…federalized the
          schools and left all children behind)

          Reality: As we are Racing to the Top, new study reveals that incentive
          pay, produces no significant improvement in student performance. Public
          Education is a failed system, as is Higher Education? see book, same name.

          SUPER REALITY: The solution to corrupt democrats is not corrupt republicans,
          the solution to corrupt republicans is not corrupt democrats.

          • Conservative at Birth

            The problem with the ecucational system is two fold: The parents are negligent and the Teachers are Indoctrinators not teachers.

          • DaveH

            Patrick and Always Right. Actually, Flashman’s number 3 point was valid as far as it goes. From the BLS website:
            http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
            Also, you need to distinguish between employment numbers and unemployment numbers. They are not the same animal.

            But, one month’s worth of economic data does not make a trend, except in the mind of a Liberal.

          • Anthony

            The other reality is that Derivatives cannot be touched until 2022. It was in the Obama Financial Package just signed into Law. It protects Wall Street from being toggled down a notch or two by any Adminstration that doesn’t play ball with THE FED.

        • Rob

          ALWAYS RIGHT for president.

        • PO’d Texas gal

          Absolutely brilliant!!!

      • a progressive nightmare

        flash, I will be more than happy to respond to your childish foolish claims. It’s easy, you make things up as you go and most folks on this blog have understood that for a long long time. You actually do even worse, which seems to be a typical progressive trait, you only tell half the story and then you leave a large area of blanks to be filled in. It’s like telling a 1/2 truth, which is worse than telling a lie. Again, a progressive-marxist trait. i.e.; propoganda

        Obama inherited the pennicle of 100 years of progressive-marxist stupidity. Anyone with half a brain should have understood decades ago where this ship was headed……. Isn’t that what “Progressive” means??? You just “progress” us along until our system and treasury are broken, correct? Does C&P sound familiar to you flash boy? It’s kinda like a cancer, it slowly eats you alive, PAINFULLY. Don;t bitch about something that you people created. It was your plan, you implemented it and now it ain’t working! AND WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU HAVE DONE TO US!

        What is really FUNNY is that you think that we don’t understand exactly how we got here and what it will take to get us out of this liberal mess, but, unfortuantely for you and your comrades, we do.

        let’s see here, ole flashpan said:

        Banks are stabilized? Well the banks that deserve to be OPEN right now were stable then, DUMMY! I will give you one example:

        BB&T was more than stable, and in fact, refused to take any TARP funds but were called to Washington and FORCED to take it! GOOD OLE PROGRESSIVE MARXISM.

        Auto industry making money? Really flash, how much? Oh, you mean the union THUGS are making money because you STOLE from the previuos stock holders! Is that what you are saying flashpan? Are these the same guys that were smoking dope and drinking during lunchbreak yesterday flash? You think my grandchildren are happy about owning a company with pot heads as employees? Fact is, the auto industry is DOOMED not to make a profit due to being run by the government..DUMMY!

        I think fannie/freddie, the post office, etc etc etc is enough of failed government programs, don’t you?

        Public sector numbers are dropping and private sector jobs are increasing? WHAT???? Are you nuts? I’ll be sure to tell my unemployed neighbors. Maybe that can take their virtual jobs and go out and buy some virtual groceries, just because flashpan said so. In case you haven’t noticed flash, the unemployment rate is still around 10%.

        Homes values have stabilized? What area of the country are you from friend? Give us some facts other than just liberal comments. What is the median home value now as it relates to a year ago, two years ago, three years ago. Let’s see some facts flash.

        Healthcare costs have leveled off??? Really! Where do you get these “facts” ole flash, I would really like to see them. Please don’t quote dump truck moore or some other lesser intellect.

        Credit is doing what? It is slowly coming back to be made available?
        Let me see what kind of a response I get to this comment at my next business meeting.

        “Energy is stable?” What energy you speaking of? Draw us a time line from “Stable” back to “unstable”. Be sure you take into consideration seasonal factors in your analysis. Let’s see it flash…we’re waiting.
        Just progressive statements aren;t going to cut it anymore, we want FACTS.

        Out of the war and beating them up on the other side? What the heck does that mean? You mean Obama finally finished what BUSH started with the surge? You mean we are winning the “Other” war? Heck, you been sleeping or something?? The pres, his admin and OUR generals are at each others throats and nobody, I mean nobody, believes that Obama’s war strategy will succeed! How do you translate that into beating people up?

        No successful terrorist attacks???? Only because the one’s who tried were STUPID!!! It sure wasn’t anything we did to prevent it!

        Education reform is on the way?? GOD help us, another progressive school program. Boy, you folks have been in charge of this mess for decades!!! You can’t fix stupid with STUPID or with DUMB AND DUMBER!

        Specific cuts, since you asked:

        1.) Cut the size and scope of the fereral workforce by 50% immediately. Further reductions will follow.

        2.) Mandate that all federal workforce pay/benefits do not exceed the MEDIAN VALUE of private sector workers doing the same job function.

        3.) Eliminate the department of education and return it to the states and respective local governments.

        4.) Dismantel the EPA and start over.

        5.) Privatize both Freddie and Fannie immediately. I’m sure we can find a competent CEO that can run a business and make a profit for the shareholders.

        6.) REPEAL this DUMB UNCONSTITUTIONAL OBAMACARE LAW!

        7.) Housing and welfare programs for the poor need to be returned to the responsibility of the local governments. This is not a federal or state issue.

        8.) Mandate that government bailouts are a misuse of public funds therefore it violates public trust. SOUND FAMILIAR?????

        I could continue for an hour with basic common sense principles that seems to elude you touch-feely liberals.

        Fact is, I have worked with a dozen people over my professional carrier that could balance the budget in less than a year and pay off the total debt in less than five years. BUT! Your answer, do like your progressive hero FDR and compound the problem so our pain will last for DECADES!!

        • dan az

          a progressive nightmare yes you are well said keep up the never iending battle!

      • Angel wanna-be

        Hflashman___copy and pasted__MY OPINONS IN CAPS!

        Today …

        1. Banks are stablized and TARP II is making us money.
        WATCH THE STOCKS FLASH, WATCH THE STOCKS, STABLE HUH?!!!
        2. The AMERICAN auto industry is sound, well situated, growing in employed, and we’ve made a ton of $$ on that deal as the loans are being repaid and the stock being bought back
        GM NEVER PAID THE LOAN BACK , THEY ROLLED IT OVER, THEY WANTED YOU TO BELIEVE THAT AND YOU DID!!! FORD AND THE REST DIDN’T NEED A BAIL OUT!
        3. We are now in a positive employment growth as far as numbers being added, the public sector employment is dropping while the private sector numbers increasing,
        HAHAHAHAHA___435,000 NEWLY FILED UN-EMPLOYMENT CLAIMS, AS OF YESTERDAY
        4. Home values have stabilized
        HOME VALUES ARE STILL THE LOWEST ON RECORD, CHECK YOUR INSURANCE?!
        5. Health care costs are levelling off except with the deals cut with the GOP to allow us to be raped a while longer by the insurance oligarchyT!!
        SURE THEY’LL LEVEL OFF FLASH, WHEN SOMEONE ELSE PAYS THE BILLS OF THOSE THAT DON’T!
        6. Credit is slowly coming back to be made available (except for Small Business which has been gutted by the GOP saying “no” until the Big Boys are allowed to pig out and take any monies available for the truly small businesses)
        INDIVIDUAL CREDIT APPS WILL REMAIN LOW, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE TIGHTENED THEIR BELTS!__SMALL BUSINESS WON’T APPLY UNTIL THEY KNOW WHAT THERE IN FOR IN HEALTHCARE___GET A LIFE FLASH!!!
        7. Energy is stable
        ENERGY IS STABLE ALRIGHT, THERE HAVEN’T BEEN OIL EXPLOSION LATELY!__BESIDES I BELIEVE MEXICO HAS OIL DRILLING RIGHTS NOW IN THE GULF?!!
        8. We’re out of one war and beating them up on the other.
        50,000 TROOPS STILL THERE BUDDY, STUDY UP!
        9. NO successful terrorist attacks
        FT HOOD! HE WAS A MUSLIM!_-THEY STOPPED HOW MANY ATTEMPTS???
        10. Education reform is on the way (thank gawd because the debacle known as No Child Left behind was a raging success…federalized the schools and left all children behind)
        EDUCATION INDOCTRINATION THATS WHATS ON THE WAY!!

        MAN O MAN FLASH, YOU SUCKED THAT BS DOWN, AND TOOK IT HOOK, LINE, AND SINKER!
        YOUR TOO FAR GONE!__YOUR ONLY POSTING IDIOCTIC CRAP, TO TAKE THE REPLIES BACK TO THE BOSS!___YOU PROGRESSIVES ARE MAD, I MEAN CRAZY MAD!__YOU REMIND OF KING GEORGE OF ENGLAND, THERE WAS NO HOPE FOR HIM EITHER!

        • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

          Thank you ANGEL!!!!!

        • dan az

          hey angel
          what can I say thanks did ya notice though that in his rant he didnt misspell or call others a name?I wounder if that was flash!

          • a progressive nightmare

            dan az…..Right on the ole nail head fellow patriot. I’ve noticed this time and time again. I’m an analyst by nature and some things GLARE at me. Flash is multiple people and a lot of their comments, I think, are cut and paste out of an e-mail, sent to them by a fellow commie-rade. In other words, sometimes he/she appears to be an intellect with a extreme-left bend, other times, I can’t make heads or tails out of his statements, and, it almost looks like a child made the comments. If I’m wrong, then it has to be the THC factor. What else could it possibly be?

          • Angel wanna-be

            DAN AZ, I wondered that too, if it was flash that typed that?!__-The only thing I left out was, that the only job increases are, that are in the Government Sector & the Unions, with the addition 16,000 new IRS and additional regulatory committees!__The private sector is scared as hell to hire or expand! There isn’t going to be any new growth in the private sector, until these money hungry suckers are voted the hell outta there!__

          • Jeff

            Hey guys and gals, that’s the norm for these liberal hacks that are on the dole just to be on theses websites. Different “paid or volunteer” hackers use the same name but work for the same liberal group…it’s been happening for a long time now.

          • libertytrain

            JeffH – I no longer have any doubts that they are paid or unpaid trying to disrupt good and helpful sites like this one. Perhaps it is even more important that we ignore those folks – they are not worthy of our attention.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            dan az,
            sure that was flash he was just copying from a teleprompter!!!!

          • dan az

            Hey Joe H
            that makes since !

          • DaveH

            If Denniso and Flashman are hired, then somebody is severely wasting their money. Of course, if they are Liberal, that is one thing they are very good at.

      • Jennifer

        What state are you in…… the state of delusion ? We in Ohio are basking in the recession that we have been told ended over a year ago. You need to pull your head out of someone’s butt and look at the poor people who are working to support everyone else and losing all they have. I am one of them so don’t spout off how great it is ….. it is no better than it was unless you are in bed with a banker or government official!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Jennefer,
          I,m from just east of Cleveland and I can attest to what you say!!! Mentor is building new facilities while there are too many empty, Eastlake just lost a fifteen million dollar pay roll. That might not seem to be much but when you figure the money they lost from CEI and perry nuke plant, the money they financed to build a stadium they couldn’t afford and it is a lot!!! Painesville is a sanctuary city and it is slowly becoming little Mexico! yet they build a new highschool that the taxpayers cant afford!!! northeast Ohio is faltering badly!!!

      • denniso

        Hflashman is right…the economy was in a freefall when Obama came in.
        It’s now stable and is slowly but surely recovering…the market up again today,pushing 11,000. Of course we need more jobs,but the economy can’t recover back to the bubble days overnight, how could it, we were in a growing bubble that then burst.

        Terrorism? The Ft Hood killings were tragic,as similar episodes every few days around the country are. The guy was a carreer officer who had lived here for decades and had become ‘radicalized’ over the past few yrs. It’s an inside job essentially that can hardly be pinned on Obama. We have thousands of people in the country who can wind up doing the same thing in the future. It’s not like 9/11,luckily, and we can’t totally ensure that those sort of things will not happen.

        • dan az

          denniso
          here is a site with the facts check it out and see if you can explain to everyone why it is that you made that statement!
          http://www.truthin2008.org/content/?articlesource=421

        • Michael J.

          denniso,
          Political Correctness (camoflaged communism)is what enabled the massacre at Ft. Hood. The army new Hasan was becoming a problem but no one was willing to step forward for fear of being accused of racism.

          • Denniso

            Now that’s a new idea…political correctness is communism? WOW!! You really are dense. You are right, though, that it was the Army’s fault that they let him remain in the Army and didn’t properly monitor or deal w/ him. If they were cowards and as trained soldiers who are taught to kill and be killed,they were ‘afraid’ of being called racists, well that’s a pathetic excuse.

      • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

        Hflashman—- You have some pretty hard dope there. Keep smoking and toot’in and come back after you wake up….

      • dan az

        OK Flash
        here are some facts even if you dont like them they are still the facts!
        * It took the country from George Washington until Ronald Reagan—approximately 200 years—to reach the first $1 trillion in debt.
        * When politicians talk about reducing the deficit, they are not talking about the debt. Politicians driven by short-term election goals focus on short-term problems. For example, President Bush once told us the problem was shrinking, pointing to the annual federal budget deficit, which fell from a high of $413 billion in fiscal 2004 to about $163 billion in fiscal 2007. The debt, meanwhile, continues to skyrocket.
        * All of the taxes you pay, including Social Security, are used for today’s government services and benefits, not saved for the future.
        * According to the government’s Office of Management and Budget, “there are no economic assets in the Social Security trust fund.”
        * According to the Government Accountability Office, if spending on government retirement programs remains on its current course and revenues grow at their historical averages, interest on the debt could skyrocket from its current 9 percent to almost 30 percent of the budget by 2040.
        * Fed Chairman Ben Bernake has stated that the time to solve this problem was “ten years ago.” Meanwhile, Congressional Quarterly reports that a delay of even 10 years in solving this will double the required pain to solve it.
        * We are now considering making the nation’s fiscal problems much worse by expanding entitlements and bail-outs. Fiscal 2009 will add more than a trillion dollars to the federal debt via deficit spending and as much as another five trillion in unfunded liabilities.

      • cover girl

        And you leave no link to source where you came up with any of that.

        Its all just crap in your head, that doesn’t make it true.

        Pull your skirt down your progressive is showing!

    • James

      Dan, Of all the times I’ve seen the “New World Order” mentioned, I’ve never seen any explanation of it. What would be your definition?

      • duggy dugg

        new world order = dictatorship ; big money boys in charge ;bankers and ceo’s owning everything of importance ; telling you what you can and can’t have ; the first step is to globalize money ; destroy dollars ; sheckels; marks ; rubles ; pesos etc ; replace them with creds [ creditos] ;

        total control of media including this one ; brain washing news programs ; stupid giggle …tee hee tv to pacify you ; gps [ global police state ]

        how ? gradualism ; you already see some of this in practice now ; hellery supports international gun ban …..

        • S.C.Murf

          right on the money bud. Thanks

      • dan az

        James
        No one really knows all that will happen except for the ones behind the curtain. But the first thing is that they will tear up the constitution and bill of rights when they lift the borders.We all become slaves to the elite even the liberals will have to work for a living well thats not a bad thing but the world will be in a depression that makes slaves of us for the pittance that we will have to live on.Just look at whats going on in Europe now that they where forced into it.This is a free country for now and I will die fighting for it along with every patriot out there this is Gods country and no dictator is going to control our God given rights that we have fought and died for.Im sure that there are allot more people out there that can write and express it way better than I could ever try to.So let them explain it because they are more expearianced at it!

      • Angel wanna-be

        James, start with the Rothschilds and research from there__like the rest of us!

      • dan az

        James
        you asked me what is the nwo well here is an agenda that may or may not make you think about what is in play as we speak.
        * Place our agents and helpers everywhere
        * Take control of the media and use it in propaganda for our plans
        * Start fights between different races, classes and religions
        * Use bribery, threats and blackmail to get our way
        * Use Freemasonic Lodges to attract potential public officials
        * Appeal to successful people’s egos
        * Appoint puppet leaders who can be controlled by blackmail
        * Replace royal rule with socialist rule, then communism, then despotism
        * Abolish all rights and freedoms, except the right of force by us
        * Sacrifice people (including Jews sometimes) when necessary
        * Eliminate religion; replace it with science and materialism
        * Control the education system to spread deception and destroy intellect
        * Rewrite history to our benefit
        * Create entertaining distractions
        * Corrupt minds with filth and perversion
        * Encourage people to spy on one another
        * Keep the masses in poverty and perpetual labor
        * Take possession of all wealth, property and (especially) gold
        * Use gold to manipulate the markets, cause depressions etc.
        * Introduce a progressive tax on wealth
        * Replace sound investment with speculation
        * Make long-term interest-bearing loans to governments
        * Give bad advice to governments and everyone else

    • Beans

      The jobs are all government jobs Big Government and the number should be ZILLION, thats just before ZIPPO, becase thats what will be left.

    • duggy dugg

      DAN the problem is gov’t borrows its operating funds intead of printing its own ; gov’t borrows money from the fraudulent fed , a non-government agency plus interest ! that’s why we are in trouble !

    • duggy dugg

      the economy is a shell game ; the fed was created by banks ; they wrote the law and sneaked it thru congress and had woody wilson sign it in exchange for financing his campaign ; the ngo “fed” creates money from nowhere and loans it to congress to gush on foreign aid ; war ; bailouts ; stimulus pkg’s ; running gov’t in general ;

      how long can any entity last just borrowing ? income taxes pay just he interest on the debt …you can’t borrow your way out of debt…

    • refuse2lose

      If someone has to be told that IT’S THE SPENDING, then I think they probably haven’t been paying attention to that familiar sound that has become popular since 08….. it sounds like CHA CHING

    • Carole Howell

      Well if I was Obama, I would just do as Bush did, not paying for anything and leave the bill for the next president, Bush did not pay for anything, Ask Senator Hatch of Utah, a republican. He was there and he will tell you, Bush paid for nothing, left the bills for the next president.

      This appears to have worked for Bush.

    • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

      Dan,you are soooooo right….

      • dan az

        guyb
        thanks I may not express it well but its my opinion.

    • http://FarTooMuch.Info Russ Lemon

      Much of the stimulus is going overseas. Obama is fulfilling the dream of his father, to redistribute national wealth. His father’s dream was for all nations to be equal. This the massive movement of U.S. wealth to third world nations. Go to http://www.Forbes.com/ and read the article:

      How Obama Thinks by
      Dinesh D’Souza, 09.09.10, 05:40 PM EDT
      Forbes Magazine dated September 27, 2010

      Then you will know where much of the money went. As far as I know, no stimulus went to any non-union U.S. manufacturer.

    • Granny Mae

      I can tell you where some of the money is. It is hidden in lavish retirement accounts for our congressmen and women and the representitives in the house. Then you come down to the Unions so they could bail out their massive retirement accounts, That the rest of us I might add are paying for, but no-one is bailing out my retirement account that is loosing more and more all the time ! It’s going for child support and medical coverage for children with dead-beat mom’s and dad’s. The supporting parent can’t live on his or her meger paycheck so they have to apply for food satamps and medicaid and housing and anything else they can get. Some of these dead-beat parents are in prison for one thing or another and so we not only take care of their kids but we have to take care of them also ! I really like Sherrif Joe, we need more like him ! A lot of our money is going to support children with handicaps ! Not that I am against helping them but I am sure against giving them an excuse to use the system, such as- My exiboss had a daughter that got measles when she was real young and it caused her to loos her hearing. The government paid for her to go to special schools for the hearing impaired and supplied her with every thing she needed for functioning in a hearing atmosphere, like special alarm clocks and TDY phones etc. She grew up and was trained to be able to work in the normal work place and even had a job at Sears. She met a young man and got pregnant and they decided to live together not get married because if she married him she would have to give up her SSI and government aid when if they just lived together her pregnancy would be paid for and she could continue to draw for her child instead of getting married and taking their own responsibility. You and I supported her and her kid or kids , however many there may be by now ! This goes on everyday and we are not talking about illegals here! These are Americans citizens that have learned to use the system. They have learned to use you and me ! They are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves but why should they when they can use us and there is no-one to over see the programs they are on ? We have plenty of welfare programs out there and still we keep adding more and more and no-one is looking to see who really needs them and who doesn’t, nor does anyone limit the length of time they can be used. How about unemployment? There we are extending unemployment over and over to the point that newly unemployed cannot get on it or get even a moments help and yet there are people on unemployment that have been recieving for over a year and they won’t go look for a job because they would have to take a job that pays them less they would be drawing on unemployment. They won’t take less so someone else can at least get something ! So much for Obama’s out look and preaching about everyone getting a piece of the pie !!! Illegals get the jobs because our people won’t work for the low wages and the employer won’t increase his pay scale to make it so that Americans can live on what they earn ! Obama is breading a complete society of people that live on hand-outs from the government, that way he can assure they will vote his way when the time comes. He already did that in this last presidential election. We need to start going over all the programs already on the books and trimming them down and get rid of them altogether. People need to learn to rely on themselves. We know that everyone of us is getting older and we are going to need money to live on when we reach the time when we can no longer work so it is up to us to put away for that time and stop thinking of letting the government take care of us ! We need to stop hospitals from over charging us when we need their care so they can cover the next guy that doesn’t have coverage ! I know of a middle aged man that has never paid a hospital bill in his life and still when he has an emergency he goes to the emergency room and gets taken care of ! That is costing you and I lots of money. We could use a break from that kind of tax ! The unseen tax ! Insurance companies are right up there with them. They could come to our defense and save themselves a lot of money also but they don’t they just sit back and let it happen and watch us struggle ! Pharmasuitacle companies too ! They n9ot only give us drugs that cost so much money it would choke an ox but today they are giving us meds. that kill us ! What is up with that ? They say they can’t lowere the price of the drugs because it has cost them so much money to develope the drugs they have to recoop their costs ! WHAT COST ? They get government grants and programs to develope those drugs and the fat cats are getting fatter while you and I sit back here and keep paying through the nose for the meds we need. All these drugs are available in other countries for a lot less than we pay for them, and don’t give me this old story about the drugs are tainted from China or Tiwan! What about the drugs coming from cananda of Great Britian, or Switzerland or Germany etc.? We have been paying billions of dollars for a cancer cure for the last 60 years and we are no closer to one today than we were then ! Where is all that money going? I understand there are cures out there but they can’t be pattended so they will never make it on the market ! How does that feel in your pocket book ? This kind of crap is only the tip of the iceburg and both parties are responsible for it ! I don’t see either party really getting the picture ! I bet is you reading this would just sit down and think for a few minutes you could come up with a list longer than mine of ways you know the system is being misused and to tell you the truth my friends if we don’t find some way to fix this it is all lost! There are ways to cut spending but none of them will bring votes to the politician looking to get elected because they are going to hurt, you and me but they are steps that have to be done ! I do a lot of cutting back on costs in my home budget but I’m sure if I had too I could do some more. It wouldn’t be easy but it could be done ! The thing is once these cuts are made after a while we will find that it won’t be so bad. All these free loaders will either go home where they belong or start looking for jobs and families will stick together to make it through the tuff times. I am sure there are a lot of you out there that could even start your own business. You know who you are. All those years that you kept saying you would like to set up such and such kind of a business but then you don’t because you don’t have enough self confedence ! Your SMART. You got what it takes so do it ! It will never succeed if you don’t try. There is no disgrace in failure, it only means you had guts enough to try and if you keep trying you will succeed !

      Sorry about running off like this, but boy we have all got to start doing something even if it is to invest in the ideas of someone else and encourage them to work hard and succeed. We need to take back our country !

      • dan az

        Hey Granny
        Its people like you that make me proud to be a part of the solution and not part of the problem.Well said Thank You!

  • s c

    I suppose this is a topic where Obummer’s loyal fans will get in line to praise him and claim once again that he inherited everything from what’s-his-name. In places where people appreciate common sense and logic, anyone who ‘takes over’ a problem (voluntarily) and makes it WORSE, then the former “boss” can’t be blamed. It’s the current horse’s ass who’s to blame. Get it?
    Yes, it’s the ‘spending,’ and it will remain the ‘spending’ as long as we have people in Washington who should be put up in front of a firing squad.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      sc… well said!
      Remember in November!

    • HFlashman

      How is today worse than January 2009 ?

      • http://naver samurai

        I don’t know, why don’t you ask the people living in tents outside of Atlanta, Georgia that question. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • dan az

          samurai
          or the ones in sacramento.

          • http://naver samurai

            Gee, if they’re also there, then they must be nationwide. I guess this is Obama bin Laden’s plan to end the housing problem. Live in a tent for free. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            samurai,
            Dam now why didn’t we conservatives think of that 20 years ago?? Just think of all the money in mortgage payments I could have saved!!!!

          • dan az

            just leave it joe to see a silver lining in things!

          • http://naver samurai

            Very funny Joe H!

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        Flushman you obviously are suffering from Cranial-Rectal-Insertion !

        • a progressive nightmare

          Yep! Well put! LOL!!!!

      • DaveH

        How is today worse than January 2009?
        We are 3.2 million jobs shorter and we are in debt $2.9 Trillion more. Big Deal, a Liberal might say, only $2.9 Trillion more debt. That’s only $8800 for every man, woman, and child in this country. Chump change. Sure.

    • James

      S C, Before the firing squad, shouln’t they be charged with violating some law, and found guilty thereof? What law did all this spending violate?

      • duggy dugg

        the law voilated was ….BORROWING instead of issuing currency , the gov’t borrows currency as an interest bearing debt ! from the ngo “fed” and china and others

        • denniso

          There is nothing illegal w/ the gov’t issuing bonds and treasury bills,people buy the bonds and bills and the gov’t then owes the buyer. The bulk of our debt is owed to ourselves…citizens who hold long term gov’t bonds and bills. It’s not the end of the world.

          • Joyce from Loris

            No, it’s not the end of YOUR WORLD, but my grandchildren will be forced to pay this back, you idiot. It is the end of THEIR WORLD, and I and so many just like me, are FURIOUS that people like you are so damn flippant about it. What a heartless, stupid jerk you are.

          • Denniso

            Thanks for the kind thoughts…our gov’t and country can run deficits
            as most countries do. A majority of the ‘debt’ is owed to our own citizens in long term bonds. We own most of our debt…

          • Bob

            Denniso The Fed handed out trillions of dollars to the banks to loosen the loan market with no interest. The bank then turns around and sells it back to the Fed with 2% interest. Nice scam

          • dan az

            Bob
            You are correct! And with every dollar they print those bonds depresiate How would that be a good thing?Maybe for the feds but not for the 401ks that are being stolen and forced to buy into! thanks!

      • Arthur Curtis

        A firing squad would be good, but best would be simply to strip them ALL of their self voted pensions, perks, salaries and other goodies. Next, prohibit them from ever holding any public office or job in any capacity anywhere in the U.S.. Finally, not allow them any government assistance (welfare, food stamps, S.S. medicare, etc.) Essentially they’d finally have to hold a private sector job, requiring skill and actual work, subject to their own tax nightmare – or move to some other country. Either way we’d be better off.

        • yoohooti

          Amen

        • Curtis

          Best solution I’ve seen yet!

        • Granny Mae

          I am with you ! Good Idea !

      • DaveH

        What law did it violate, James? It is other unwilling peoples’ money they are spending. In my book, that is theft, and Ben agrees:
        http://mises.org/daily/4125

    • CCC

      thank you

    • pappy

      GOP’s ‘Pledge’ Guru Was Lobbyist
      Hypocrite alert: One of the leading men behind Republicans’ “Pledge to America” document, centered on bringing back the country’s founding ideals, is a lobbyist with expansive ties to some of the biggest corporations in the country. A draft of the document, officially unveiled Thursday, shows Brian Wild as the author. Wild, it turns out, was paid $740,000 to lobby for insurance giant AIG during his five years at the lobbying firm Nickles Group. He also accepted more than $1 million from Comcast, $1.3 million from ExxonMobil, and $625,000 from Pfizer. Prior to that, he served as a legislative aide to Rep. Pat Toomey and an assistant to Vice President Dick Cheney. Republicans deny the connection, saying Wild played only an administrative role in the pledge, helping “to keep the trains running between all the leadership offices.”

      • Anthony

        THIS is the trickery used by the CFR and the TRILATERAL.

        No one really knows how many Corporate Heads are actually against the current template – which is the NWO. When you are fighting to regain freedom from a tyrannical government – like CUBA?…. how does one implement a response to having a boot on your neck?… and not get jailed permanently where you can do no good.

        Then again? He could be a wolf in sheep’s clothing – - like many of the TEA PARTY LEADERS are being found out to be.

  • Jim H.

    Other peoples money, OPM just as addictive as opium.When you’re in a hole quit digging.(shovel ready job?)

    • Ruby

      I love it!! LOL

    • dan az

      Jim H
      Your goooooood!

    • Granny Mae

      Jim H,

      Your statement is simple but so true. Too bad it will go way over the heads of those that need the advice ! I agree !

  • Mike D.

    Have a look at this painting. Very,very good. The expressions on their faces say it all. (copy + paste this link)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KGlBHyVeYU&feature=player_embedded

    Vote responsibly in Nov.!

    • Warrior

      Powerful!

    • FreedomFighter

      A very powerfull picture of America.

      I have only one thing to say as an American:

      Dont tread on me!

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • JeffH

        pappy, always good for a chuckle or two.

        That said, I’ll follow the Tea Party and you can stick to the progressives failing attempt of a Coffee Party and the Brown Baggers. We’ll just to wait and see who has the last little chuckle won’t we.

        • a progressive nightmare

          count me in on the chuckle Jeffh…..VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • alpha-lemming

        Sappy!!!! We’ve missed ya…. whereya been???
        A prog-phylactic of the highest order!!!

        • alpha-lemming

          In retrospect, the condom REALLY should be the progressive mascot. They have a “one size fits all” mentality, the sensitive ones are “thin skinned”, they DEFINATELY “stifle production” and whenever one shows up you just know somebody’s gonna get…. well… you know. Don’t wanna get censored by the e-cops.

          • a progressive nightmare

            LOL!

    • CCC

      WONDERFUL- I have sent this to everybody I could. Thank you for doing the same. The first piece of art I actually WANT to display on my wall.
      Check out dvd “1776″

    • dan az

      I think that it should be in every school in the nation because its so true!

    • Granny Mae

      WOW !

  • roberta

    since its other peoples money and not their that they’re spending, why would they care? they dont!! These government employees make so much more money than the average person, that they cannot fathom what a buck is. how sad to be so rich and use so much of “we the people” s money, that you cant see the forest for the trees. yikes

    • Disgusted

      No health care deductions out of ther checks, killer retirement benefits, who knows how much paid vacation – all paid with our tax money. Are government workers elitists? I don’t think so, so why are they deserving of benefits “we the people” aren’t getting. They work for us, since we are there employers we should be able to make a few changes. The congress votes on their own raises for crying out loud! Doesn’t anyone see an issue with this! Things need to change.

      • ValDM

        Until you break the back of the SEIU, you won’t see any change for these people. Get rid of the Seiu and you might stand a chance.

      • James

        Disgusted, everyone sees an issue with this. What would you do to bring about a change?

        • DaveH

          Vote Libertarian!

          • Anthony

            DITTO.

            The problem with being able to bring a grassroots Libertarian Congress into being – is that most localities won’t list Libertarian on the PRIMARY BALLOT … and I read that Obama wants to list Libertarians as potential Terrorists…. You do the math.

          • dan az

            DaveH
            thats the plan!

    • duggy dugg

      ROBERTA the problem is government borrowing dollars instead of printing dollars ; the treasury issues bonds [ borrowing ] and the ngo “fed” buys bonds [ lending ] and the national debt shoots upward ; bonds are an interest bearing debt ….payable by you and me ! that’s where our income tax payments go …the national debr !
      congress doesn’t spend tax dollars ; it spends borrowed dollars that future income tax payments go to try to pay down the national debt ; they don’t ; they only pay the interest ; we are in severe trouble

  • Sandy

    Did you hear how the stimulus bill brought jobs to the auto plant in Springhill, Tennessee. Bob Corker, our Republican Senator, was there taking credit for those jobs after, of course, he voted NO on this stimulus package. The workers booed him on stage! You can’t fool the people, they know who is on their side.

    • HFlashman

      That’s happening all over. The GOP slimebags who voted “no’ on everything…are now taking credit for the results of having it passed. And then the next day back to slamming the program and cost.

      • http://naver samurai

        Tell me how this country has improved with Obama bin Laden? I think you need to put your head back into the sand from where it came from.

        • HFlashman

          Don’t know of anyone by that name. Looked it up, nope…no one in Congress of the administration by that name. Obviously you are confused.

          • BigBadJohn

            Leave it be – the only thing conservatives do well is name call. Read this article again, every name in it is derogatory. Listen to FOX, they never use correct names, every one is a slur or distortion.

            Talk about childish temper tantrums…..

          • Jeff

            BigBadJohn, don’t even make a comment like that without including the name calling extraordinare leftist liberals. This isn’t a one sided issue…puhleese! Seven out of ten times the liberals initiate the name calling too!

          • http://naver samurai

            Can’t you answer my question, hmmm?

        • Christin

          samuari,

          The Flash “Don’t know” how this country has improved as his first two words state in his post. We ALL know things have NOT improved, but worstened. That is probably why he is acting childish and playing dumb in his reponse back to you.

          Life in America has NOT improved for common sense, Patriotic, Free Market, Freedom-Loving, Constitutional American citizens.

          And frankly, it probably hasn’t improved mush for the Left (Progressive) Fring who is pretty pissed with BO as well as he hasn’t paid their electric bill, sent them a limo and two story mansion to live in along with their gov check [paid for by the blood, sweat and tears of hard working Americans]…yet.

          God knows which children are on His side and those that aren’t.

          If you are for obama’s Depopulation, & Dedevelopment, and Reditribution of Wealth policies, and his band of thugs… you are for satan.

          If you are for Freedoms, Liberty, and God given Rights as outlined in the Constitution and other founding Documents … then you are for God.

          • http://naver samurai

            Very true and weel said. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • free american

            We should make government smaller so the true American can do his job without someone down his back all the time

  • Warrior

    “Pledge to America”? Americans need to make a pledge to each other and reset this whole damn destructive path our supposed leaders have led us down. Throw the progressives OUT!

    • duggy dugg

      throw the “fed” out would be more to the point

      • Christin

        Progressive… FED… and IRS!!
        OUT, OUT, OUT!!!

        • dan az

          christin
          Then impeach the imposter and his klan!

  • Harry Buttle

    No, not spending.

    CBO Data Show Tax Cuts Have Played Much Larger Role than Domestic Spending Increases in Fueling the Deficit

    Legislation that has caused deficits to return: Mostly tax cuts and security spending:

    percent of deficit:
    Bush tax cuts: 48%
    Security spending: 37%
    Domestic spending increases: 15%

    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=966

    • BigBadJohn

      Now you’ve done it Harry – The LAST thing anyone on this blog wants to hear is FACTS.

      • Chuck

        Yes it’s truly amazing that someone with your eight grade education considers himself the intellectual better of anyone. You cite the “GOP scumbags” who vote no on everything. I suppose you mean things like Obama Care that the “Democrat scumbags” voted for without actually reading and that Pelosi “the noted democrat simpleton” said of, it should be passed so that we could find out what’s in it.
        There are simple solutions to nearly all our problems but it would mean that this country needs to stop meddling in every conflict that arises no matter where in the word it occurs. Begin this process by ceasing to be the world’s police force, end foreign aid, pull “ALL” our troops out of the foreign lands in which they find themselves deployed and use them to secure our borders not the borders of countries like South Korea, and round up and deport all illegal aliens.

        • BigBadJohn

          WOW A truly closed mind.

          Yes I site GOP scumbags, I also despise the democrat scumbags.

          I agree about not being the world police force, we can not continue to fight imperialistic wars to support our corporations. We simply can not afford that level of corporate welfare.

          I also agree spending has to be cut.

          But the FACT remains that when Reagan cut taxes, he tripled the national debt.
          When GWB cut taxes he doubled the debt again. Spending cuts alone will never balance the budget.

          Whatever happened to the “Balanced Budget Amendment” that a certain party promised then never followed through with?

          • DaveH

            Don’t blame Reagan for that, John. He was wrestling with a Congress where the House was controlled by Democrats and the Senate contained many RINO Republicans like Bob Dole who convinced Reagan he had to compromise and worked against him like a ball and chain.
            Reagan vetoed more Bills than any other president in my adult lifetime. About 12% of them were overridden. Could he help that?
            As far as the debt increase goes, it increased $1.7 Trillion in Reagan’s eight years of office. Compare that to Obama’s $2.9 Trillion in less than 2 years. And, unlike Reagan, Obama is actively encouraging his Congress to pass more bills and spend more money.

          • dan az

            Dave H
            Its funny how these progs and libs all forget to mention who was in control each time they blame Bush or Reagan.Do you think there just ashamed of those facts?

          • DaveH

            Dan,
            They definitely didn’t forget. They are either just ignorant of Government workings or they purposely omit those facts which might diminish their arguments.

          • Granny Mae

            HA ! The current government has NO budget what so ever ! HA, HA !

          • BigBadJohn

            Dave,
            Reagan ran debt from 900 billion to 2.6 trillion which is a 300% increase!!! Most of that came from his tax cuts and military spending increases.

            Bush took the debt from 5.7 trillion to 10.6 trillion almost a 200% increase.

            Obama has run the debt up from 10.6 trillion to 13.4 trillion, that is about a 25% increase.

            300%, 200% or 25% increase in debt, which is worse?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            BBJ,
            That is 25% in less than two years and we haven’t even seen the cost of his healthcare yet!!! If and I mean IF he was to have eight years at the rate his appetite is rising that 300% will look like chump change!!! Look at the tax rate in England. Thyey have government healt care an they’re debt is veryclose to ours in % og GDP! Our tax rate is lower but if we accept government controlled health care, we too will be paying near 50%!! Sound real good to you?? Crappy health care and taxes of 50cents of every dollar you make?? I, for one, think it stinks!!!

    • Bruce D.

      How much of that domestic spending (other peoples money) went in your pocket Harry??? I use to check stats like that for the longest time that a liberal stated. Now I find it a waste my time as never once did I find a liberal accurate on their stats. At best they coppied it from a liberal site who put out false data. Wake up Harry. There is nothing wrong with people keeping the money they worked hard for. On the other hand there is something wrong with you taking it.

    • duggy dugg

      lets include the fact that all american dollars are borrowed from the ngo “fed” in the form of bond sales to fed from treasury ! instead of issuing dollars , the fed borrows them ; this is a good thing ?????

      • James

        Duggy, Art. I, Sec. 8, Cls. 1,2 & 5 read: “The Congress shall have Power…To borrow Money on the credit of the United States…[and] To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin.” Should Clause 2 be repealed?

        • CCC

          If the current administration is going to continue to tear apart our Constitution, they shouldn’t be allowed to stand behind it’s phrases either

        • http://naver samurai

          Borrowing isn’t as bad as how to pay it all back. Obama bin Laden has borrowed trillions from China, so how can we pay that back? We owe them upwards of $10 trillion dollars. Tack on all these unconstitutional programs (Osamacare, etc.) and what do you get? A plan for the financial destruction of this country. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • BigBadJohn

            Samuri, Clinton had a surplus, Bush sent us down the road of borrowing from China, To the tune of 6 TRILLION dollars!

            My problem with Obama – HE IS DOING THE SAME THING AS BUSH!!!

          • JeffH

            BigBadJohn, that surplus was nothing more than a myth created with smoke and mirror accounting. I’ll post this one more time because nobody seems to question the real facts of the Clinton “surplus”.

            Yes, the budget was almost balanced in FY2000 (ending in September 2000 with a deficit of “only” $17.9 billion), but it never reached zero–let alone a positive number. Clinton’s last budget proposal for FY2001, which ended in September 2001, generated a $133.29 billion deficit. The growing deficits started in the year of the last Clinton budget, not in the first year of the Bush administration.

            President Bush assumed the office of presidency January 2001 and his first budget took effect October 1, 2001 for the year ending September 30, 2002 (FY2002). Therefore the $133.29 billion deficit in the year ending September 2001 was Clinton’s. To be fair to Clinton, Bush supported a tax refund where taxpayers received checks in 2001 the cost was $38 billion, So even if we assume that $38 billion of the FY2001 deficit was due to Bush’s tax refunds and not part of Clinton’s last budget, that still means that Clinton’s last budget produced a deficit of 133.29 – 38 = $95.29 billion.

            You can verify these figures by accessing the U.S. Treasury website where the national debt is updated daily and a history of the debt since January 1993 can be obtained.
            http://activerain.com/blogsview/855368/the-clinton-budget-surplus-fact-or-fiction-

          • BigBadJohn

            Jeff, yes the national debt still went up with Clinton’s “surplus” mainly due to the interest payments on the existing debt. What Clinton did was to make a principal payment against the debt, the first president in 3 decades to do so. I agree a principal payment does not sound like a surplus to me either, but that is the terminology used to indicate a principal payment.

            Compare that that to GWB borrowing 800 billion to pay for his two wars and a tax cut, and it looks pretty darn good.

          • JeffH

            BigBadJohn, …Clinton’s political “smoke & Mirrors” do not a surplus make. That is what Clinton’s surplus was made of. I’ll not even attempt to excuse Bush’s spending but I will expose the Clinton surplus myth as just what it is, a myth.

          • DaveH

            Clinton balanced the Budget? I think not. It was Congress that balanced the Budget, in spite of Clinton:
            http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5656

          • dan az

            BB j
            can you at least try some thing new with facts Im really getting tired of the same old lies!

        • DaveH

          Do you know the difference between “Coin” money and “Print” money, James? Do you know the difference between Congress and the Federal Reserve, James?

    • alpha-lemming

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA….(deep breath)…. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

      The second sentence tells me everything I need to know about this sight. “Sizable surpluses in ’05″??? There’ve never been ANY surpluses (IF there were…. we should have a big ol’ hunka change comin’ back from the purchase of our “Happy Meal”… when did government become a for profit entity???… can’t find it in any of the founding documents) sooooo… what are you offering as evidence I should believe anything else on this sight??

  • S.C.Murf

    I now would like to hear from HFlashman and see what kind of crap will spew from his mouth today. It’s friday and I could use a good laugh

    • a progressive nightmare

      me too!

    • HFlashman

      See above. Sad to see that a 7th grade intellect finds facts and harsh reality amusing…

      • a progressive nightmare

        let me know when I should be “Amused”, Ole flash in the pan.

  • Doc Sarvis

    We have been put in an awful position. Big tax cuts across the board in 2001; then we get shoved into two, ill advised at best, wars. For the first time in our history, the American people as a whole, unless you were in a military family, did not sacrifice in the time of war. On top of that, the greedy among us pull the economy down. How would you like to walk into the Oval office with all of that to deal with? Considering the severity of that economic crash alone, no one should expect a quick fix or a painless recovery.

    • a progressive nightmare

      so why not print and spend another 50-100 Trillion, since the first couple of trillion has worked out so well for us? I’m sure my granschildren won’t mind at all! Especially given the fact that we just dumped BILLIONS to save the UAW so they can smoke dope and drink on their lunch breaks. Let’s see dump truck moore spin that one!

      We refer to our grandparents as the “Great Generation”. I guess our legacy to our granchildren will be “Dope smoking money spending progressive fools”, that couldn’t manage a two kid kindergarten.

      • duggy dugg

        dear progressive ; we don’t print our own money ; this is the bigggg problem ; the ngo fed prints money and loans it to treasury in the form of bond buying ! this increases our skyrocketing national debt !

        • a progressive nightmare

          not sure how that relates to my comments, but, I agree with you. It’s pretty darn simple unless you are of the “progressive” mindset, and if so, then problem solving becomes a three ring circus. Must be the THC factor, you think!

    • Craig

      He did not walk into jack. He was part of the problem before he became president. He was a Senator that went along with just about everything Bush wanted. The chocolate Marxist is the problem.

      • Doc Sarvis

        He was against the war in Iraq. What, of significance, did he go along with Bush on?

        • Al Sieber

          Doc, he voted for the bailout in Sept. 2008, he’s part of the problem and has no solutions.

          • dan az

            Al only an agenda!

        • http://naver samurai

          So Hillary and other lib voted for both wars. What’s your point?

        • PGMJR

          Doc, if you would take the time to check Obamas voting record you would see that he indeed did vote for the war…

        • JeffH

          Obama never had the opportunity to vote on the invasion of Iraq but he surely voted to support the funding once he arrived in Congess.

          “Given the way Obama has voted on Iraq-related bills since his arrival to Congress, however, any attempt by the junior senator to cast himself as a genuine anti-war candidate is disingenous.”

          “Obama sponsored 152 bills and resolutions brought before the 109th Congress in 2005 and 2006, and cosponsored another 427.” None of these were related to ending the war in Iraq. Additionally, “once Obama got to Washington [in 2005], he made only one Senate speech on Iraq.”

          On May 4, 2006, Obama voted YES for HR 4939, the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2006, which included $67.55 billion for U.S. Department of Defense operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
          $31.6 billion for operations and maintenance
          $15.46 billion for procurement of aircraft, missiles, weapons, combat vehicles, and ammunition
          $10.2 billion for military personnel
          $3.7 billion for the Iraq Security Forces Fund
          $1.96 billion for the Joint Improvised Explosive Device Defeat Fund
          $1.91 billion for the Afghanistan Security Forces Fund
          “Earlier, he(Obama)refused to vote for an amendment [introduced June 21, 2006] by Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) that would have, as Obama said, bring the troops home on a ‘date certain’” Sweet wrote.
          http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama:_U.S._presidential_election%2C_2008/On_the_war_in_Iraq

    • James

      Doc, I would love to deal with it. I would command our troops in the middle east to come home. I would end all foreign aid. I would impose an import tax on China’s slave-labor exports to America. I would repeal the government’s power to “borrow” money. I would order the Treasury to coin our money. I would return our school system back to state control. And I would repeal nearly all federal legislation that has been enacted, from 1933 to the present.

      • HFlashman

        Glad you aren’t in any position to do any of that. Otherwise, destruction of this Nation would result. Wait…that’s exactly what terrorists want…so are you saying you side with terrorists?

        • S.C.Murf

          sounds to me like you are flip-flopping on your stance flash. Are you liberal or conservative?

          • a progressive nightmare

            Flash doesn’t know what he or she is?

            Hey, maybe I hit on something! flash is an “it”!

      • a progressive nightmare

        SOunds good to me!

        • DaveH

          With the exception of the Protectionism against Chinese goods.
          I’ll bet the “Slave Laborers” there would have something to say about that. Protectionism is one of several factors that created the Great Depression:
          http://mises.org/rothbard/agd.pdf
          See page 242

          • a progressive nightmare

            agreed

      • Granny Mae

        James I’m voting for you !

  • http://BobLivingston Eleanore Barlow

    I blame the House,Senate and dummies that put him in office for the plight that we are facing now. Obama and his idiotic and socialist ideas for running this country (which by the way, he is not a citizen of) have caused the problems that we are facing. If these robots in the House and Senate are left in office it will only get worse. VOTE THE BUMS,CROOKS AND MORONS (namely liberals) OUT OF OFFICE ON NOV. 2ND. If you can’t be part of the solution then keep your complaining mouths shut and go like sheep to the slaughter.

    • Bob

      The problem started over 30 years ago when corporations started moving out of the country to increase their profits. The only jobs that will save this country is manufacturing. The only one really humming today is the war material.

      • David

        Companies have had to move to survive the legislation and regulation. The liberals hate capitalism because it breeds non-dependents and they can’t stand that.

      • DaveH

        Bob, the Government is draining the financial and natural resources of this country with their regulations and their wars. Don’t let anybody distract you from that fact. It takes money to fund this Leviathan Government – 37% of our GDP to be precise. There’s not much left for anything else.
        The companies are only doing what any intelligent humans would do when their neighborhood is overrun by thieves – MOVE.

        • http://GOGGLE vaksal

          I agree with you DaveH,about the bussiness sector of this republic being run off,by overtaxtion and so many regulations and no protection to cheap foreign imports,it chased those companies off,and the door that was the door that killed all bussiness here was (NAFTA) and everyone knows that story,so i wont go there,but heres a real kicker,well today i recieved a call from a young lady on the phone,saying the reason she called was to get my support,vote wise on pushing enviromental laws concerning enforcement of emission in the state of california,well this is what i told her sadly,but trufully that it wouldnt help since china is making so much pollution that it would negate any offset we could do here.sounds dumb on my part? well being the dumb old ranch kid i was once,ive always read ,scientific american for so long,how many years i cant tell you,the point is that all the nasty stuff those folks do to the air in china rains on this nation 24 7 day and night via the jet stream,well that shocked her,but i have to say like a good sales person she said if went to wind power that would cut the pollution problem in half,with that i agreed,but being the conservative i am i told her a sad fact that 95 percent of the wind generators being build are produced overseas,china,norway,japan,netherlands,and that would mean more national debt,but i told her i would think about it,well i gave it great thought,and will support it 100 percent,if every unit is made here in the united states and why not,more jobs,cleaner air,more industry,then i remembered,we have no more industy in this nation,that can out do the foreign made products that are supported by those governments overseas 100 percent,the point is we must all look at what has happened and is happening to this republic,we are being bled dry by all these imports that are mostly american owned,and are operating overseas because the know it all boys and girls,in this new america(NWO)bunch has burnt the house down,and now they think the american people should support their master of the universe outlook that is really,destruction of the american nation,to change it into a feudal state type police state,i must admit i am truly lost for answers,but i am not stupid,i feel this nation has been sold out by the liberal left wing neo-com communist element in all levels of government,so please wake me up,this is not the republic i once lived in.i believe in clean air,but something stinks in the air and its not right,keep up the great posts DaveH.

      • Granny Mae

        Companies started moving out to save money on labor and to break their ties with the UNIONS and there by save a real bundle !

  • Rennie

    I heard Krugman say that if we just keep digging, we will get out of this hole yet. It remoinds me of a “Simpsons” episode where Chief Wiggum, deep in a hole with others looking for buried treasure, yells at Homer: “No! No! Dig up, stupid!”.

  • patrick

    Let me tell all you good Americans out there about Gov’t jobs. I am an Ex- City of Minneapolis employee, and yes all the benefits that City and Union employees get must be reduced immediately. Here is a breakdown of what you, the taxpayer, pay to keep Minneapolis employees sitting in their throwns: 11 paid holidays, 30 days sick pay, min. of 4 weeks paid vacation, birthdays off and paid for, death leave off and paid for, very reduced medical insurance costs, guranteed pay raises, never loose your job, and a retirement salary any of you would die for! To loose your job you would have to murder the Mayor and all the councilmemebers, the fire chief, the police cheif, etc. Then city employees can bank all their sick leave benefits and all their vacation benefits for years, which would produce many thousands of dollars at retirement time. Since it is a scam, you must pay union dues, or a fair share dues. You don’t get much if anything from the unions when you retire, but Wow just look at the Gov’t retirement package! If you get lucky and find one of those jobs, you know the ones where we see 7 or 8 workers standing and resting with their shovels while 1 or 2 people actually are doing some kind of work! If I were to run for Mayor my campaign would be: cut a minimum of 50% of all employees in all dept starting from the top on down, and cut wages and benefits in half just for starters. And now you have the answers to why most States and City’s are in debt and getting deeper and deeper in debt! Also, 4 weeks vacation is the start, after 15-20 years you will have 2 to 3 months off of paid vacation.. again many thousands of dollares. the garbage dept. employees only work 3-5 hours per day yet get paid for 8 hrs. of non work! Unions and Gov’t employees are bankrupting this great country and it needs to STOP now.

    • Grey Wolf

      Thanks Patrick! Great insight. It’s even worse here in Cincinnati. We actually have municipal employees that have criminal records, even in the police & fire departments! The convictions include, fraud, d.w.i.,
      felonious assault, theft, failure to pay child support, domestic violence, forgery & perjury, yet these government employees are still on the job collecting wages & salaries that are well above those received in the private sector.
      On top of that, the current pension trust fund has lost over a half billion dollars & there is concern now about the future of this over generous plan. What’s even more ludicrous is voters & city council approved a $250+ million trolley system that will go through the worst crime district in the U.S., known here locally as Over-the-Rhine. And if that’s not enough, city council just appropriated $100,000 for each resident to have a recycling can ($72 each) & $125,000 for an entrance monument to one of the neighborhoods.
      The tragedy is that Cincinnati was once known as America’s best run, most livable city. That’s now history.

      • BigBadJohn

        “What’s even more ludicrous is voters & city council approved a $250+ million trolley system that will go through the worst crime district in the U.S., ”

        Reminds me of the overhead monorail built in downtown Detroit. Everyone nick-named it the “mugger mover” and no one used it.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Grey Wolf,
        The city of Eastlake had the system of banking ones sick days till we had one man retire tha had only used one day in 24 years! Needless to say, he got a VERY generous settlement when he retired!!! They outlawed it two years later at the threat of layoffs!!! when the union was faced with big layoffs they agreed!!

  • http://purple50.org Gregory Zorn

    On this one I have to disagree with Mr. Wood. With the current mountain of dept all the tax Bush tax cuts must expire.I am in full agreement on reducing spending, but we have two wars on borrowed money. I do not buy the hurt the econemy talking point, if these tax cuts are so helpfull we would be seeing prosparity now, 9 and 7 years is a long time for them to have produced. I also hold the unpopular opinion that all citizens should pay some Federal tax, one half of the population do not pay federal taxes yet receave all the benafits that the goverment provides. Spending is out of control, I would cut all forign aid, how has it become the responsability of the American taxpayer to support forign nations. Another unpopular opinion I hold is that millatary/defence spending must be slashed. Its time to take care of our own. I have more details on my blog purple50.org

    • FlashmanLied ReasonDied

      Dem. majority has resulted (over and over?) in more gov. spending and then cries for more taxes to pay for it. It looks like Dem. is equivalent to Big Gov. Rep. not much better. Watch what they do and vote according to that.

    • DaveH

      The problem is, Gregory, that if they are allowed to raise taxes, they typically just spend more.
      I like your idea that everybody should pay Federal taxes. In fact, I think all adults should pay the same amount. Let the people, who can’t cut a check, fill out the paperwork hoops explaining why they can’t pay and leave the rest of us alone. Having every adult pay an equal share would create a huge momentum against further Federal Government growth, so I would expect the Feds to fight such a concept tooth and nail.
      And there should be no corporate taxes. As so many Liberals argue – Corporations aren’t people. Fine, then why should they pay taxes? We should be happy that they are supplying us with jobs.
      All the myriad taxes issued upon the citizens are just Government’s sneaky way of getting more taxes for their gang from the rest of us.

  • Lana

    I agree with Chip’s massege. But I already come up with my own quote and put it on my car. There it is :

    One POPULATION under the GOVERMNENT with DEBT and TAXES for all.

    At a moment I am making other sticker, wich I think has a flavor of this election’s mood :

    YES to the RULE of LAW
    NO to the LAW of the RULERS

    • Christin

      Lana,
      Great Quotes!
      Keep them coming.

    • http://naver samurai

      Lana how about this one from me:

      “Once we had Ronald Reagan, Bob Hope, and Johnny Cash. Now, we have Obama bin Laden, no hope, and no cash.”

      Is that one pretty good? Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • dan az

        samurai
        I would buy that!

        • http://naver samurai

          Thanks fellow patriot!

  • duggy dugg

    IT’S THE BORROWING , CHIP ! gov’t borrowing [bond selling] is killing us faster than anything else ; why sell bonds [debt on the citizens] when you should be issuing dollars ; the ngo fed issues dollars from air and buys our bonds ; we lose they win; the fed is not federal any more than federal express ; the fed is a swindling ccartel owned by international banksters …

    • DaveH

      duggy,
      If they weren’t spending in excess, they wouldn’t need to borrow.

  • David

    Rebulicans are poised to take back the house, at least. We expect big changes. The contract with America is ok but we expect you to shrink the gov. You can start by dropping the dept of education. If you can’t get it done during the next two years; then show us how each member voted. The tea party will use this to cull out all dems and moderate repubs in 2012. 2010 is just the start…..repubs are talking big right now but we will be watching every decision they make.

    So either fix the problem quickly or we will move you out, no matter which side you are on. The straight ticket voting is over.

  • Joyce from Loris

    I am currently reading the new “Pledge” presented by the republicans. I haven’t seen the words I was looking for yet. Words like “Term Limits”, or “End Welfare” or “Deportation”, etc. What I am sick and tired of is simple, and it does not matter which party it is as I consider them all to be whores, but where in the Constitution does it say that the government can take my money away from me, by force, and give it to someone else? Whether it is person sitting on their front porch waiting on their welfare check, or a nation that figures America owes them something?? It’s my money, not their to give away. It should not take trillions of dollars to support this government every year. It is ridiculous and I am sick of it. I feel like withholding my money until the government starts acting responsible enough to be trusted with it, but the government HAS GIVEN ITSELF THE POWER to sieve my bank account, garnish my wages, take my property, any thing it wants to do, to get my money. I am ready for a REAL tea party. I am ready to throw all the bums out and start over! I want to be FREE, and as long as the government has these POWERS OVER ME, I am not free.

    • HFlashman

      That “pledge’ is nothing more than words. It has no substance. Note it doesn’t say anything about earmarks…nor give anyting of substance at all. The GOP said it garnered the “pledge’ from online voting…but when I looked at that site…ending earmarks was second on the list. Hmmm…

      Also note…each oe of the items is tailored so that Big Corporate America can continue to rape us and small business and the average American takes it on the chin….again.

      • BigBadJohn
      • a progressive nightmare

        well flashpan, at least is is something in writing, which is a start. We can then hold those who sign on to the agreemnt ACCOUNTABLE just like we are going to hold those accoutable who are currently in power, come NOVEMBER.

        • Denniso

          The ‘Pledge’ is a total joke and myth. The Pledge would let all the Bush tax cuts continue and add about 3 1/2 trillion $$ to the debt in ten yrs. The Repubs can’t stand having the top 2% in the country pay 39% in tax instead of 36%.
          The ‘pledge’ would not cut enough spending to make a difference and doesn’t touch the $700 billion war/defense budget. The pledge states a lie and pretends that it could balance the budget by 2020, after racking up 7 trillion $$ in tax cuts…it’s quite simply,a fraud on the American people and the Repubs think that we are dumb enough to believe it…sadly, some are.

          • a progressive nightmare

            Denniso, As I just stated, it is a work-in-progress with our future leadership. Many many revisions will be made before the election. I personally and several people I know are being asked daily what else could be done. ANSWER: IT IS THE SPENDING – STUPID!!! CUT THE DARN FOOLISH SPENDING OUT and CUT THE SIZE OF THIS BLOATED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Now, you people bitch and complain and state the GOP has no ideas but when they respond to the peoples anger over this “Progressive Nightmare” then you bitch about that too. Now, given that fact, who is the party of “NO”? It appears you are because you have no ideas other than print and spend our grandchildrens money!

            Bottom line, we want a smaller more efficient and ACCOUNTABLE government and you can keep your CHANGE.

          • DaveH

            Nightmare, Denniso could care less about the grandchildren as long as he has a place at the Government Trough.

          • a progressive nightmare

            absolutely correct DaveH, These childish people care about nothing more than their next party and pickup partner.

          • Denniso

            DaveH forgets,what I’ve repeated several times, I’ve never had a gov’t
            job and have been self employed for most of my adult life. I imagine many of the loudest shouters here about the evils of gov’t can’t say the same. At the same time, I have nothing against people who do work for one level of gov’t or another, only the ones who then scream about the evil gov’t…hypocrisy.

    • JeffH

      Joyce from Loris, while the “PLEDGE” sounds good in theory and seems to touch on the concerns of the voters, the “proof will be in the pudding”. Republicans are distrusted “almost” as much as the Demcrats, “ALMOST”!
      At least they’re trying to win the hearts of the voters, something he Democratic Party has no clue about.

      That said, the constant rhetoric, name calling and mis-information will be delivered by the lefts MSM and of course the likes of Bite-Me Biden, Slick Willy, Nazi Pelosi, Dingy Harry and the O’man himself.

      • a progressive nightmare

        Well said Jeff, as I stated to ole flashpan, at least we have something in writing, which is a good start. It needs work but it is a beginning point of conversation with WE THE PEOPLE. Once refined, then WE ALL SIGN ON and then hold those accountable who we placed in power. Just like holding those accoutable who are in power now. It’s that simple!

        • JeffH

          a progressive nightmare, no doubt the country is tired of the “trust me” rhetoric from both parties. Time for some real change around here.

          • a progressive nightmare

            Yep!

      • Angel wanna-be

        Amen JeffH!___At’s what I’ve been sayin’ alllll along!____REPUBS OR DEMS_NO MORE LIES, PUT UP, OR SHUT UP & GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY!!

  • James

    Why doesn’t the federal government just give each American a million dollars, then no one would have to work anymore?

    • FlashmanLied ReasonDied

      That’s my idea too. Divide up the stimulus and send it to the taxpayers in the form of a rebate check.

      • a progressive nightmare

        apply it to the debt! Our grandchildren will appreciate it, trust me!

  • Chuck

    I tend to agree with most of your article until you start the typical discrediting of the Federal workforce. In the 11 years I’ve been a Federal employee the workload that people in my career have seen their workload triple due to retirements and people leaving to take better paying jobs in the private sector.
    You quote a highly suspect report from USA Today regarding Federal employee’s pay, “That’s in addition to a salary, on average, of $81,258 a year. Private workers, in comparison, earn only $61,051 in total compensation.
    Let me repeat the first number, to make sure you grasp it. The average benefits of a Federal employee, above and beyond the salary he or she actually gets paid, comes to $41,791 a year.”
    Well I’ve been a Federal employee for 11 years and I make no where near $81,258 per year and very few of the people I know make that much. A recent GAO audit also shows that people in the highly skilled career fields make approximately $20,000 less than the private sector. Another thing you ignore is that most of the people who are employed by the government are in the highly skilled categories our office staffs have been reduced to the point that they are almost non-existent.
    You also have to figure in all the minimum wage workers in the private sector,those pay levels don’t exist in the federal sector. If you are going to use statistics to substantiate your article I suggest you use data from a credible source that has actually done some scientific research to get their numbers.
    Your figure of fringe benefits is $41,791. I would like to know how that figure was derived. I certainly don’t receive anything like that and since I am a contracting officer I know a little about loaded wage rates and overhead.

  • http://eletter@news.personaliberty.com Frank J. Randazzo

    The obozo administration is making the Clinton presidency look as if it had morals. one 17 million dollar (whats 17 mill.to obozo)stimulus payment went to Oregon university so they would keep michelle obozos brother as their basketball coach. Or how about 2BILLION so Brazil can drill off their shore and the billions given to other countries to drill All the while he has a ban on drilling here. The extravigant vacations etc. NOV.can not come soon enough for real Americans so we can vote this slime dust and dirt out and complete the job in 2012!!!.

    • HFlashman

      Excuse me? First of all…there is no “Oregon University” …

      Second of all…since I am an involved father of an alumi of Oregon State University, where Robinson is the basketball coach, I know of no “grant’ or federal monies to pay his salary. If you’re speaking of the Marine Research Institute grant just announced (nowhere near 17 mil) …. that was given to accomplish the unfunded mandate by Bush that the offshore shelf on the west coast be surveyed and mapped for habitat etc to determine if they can drill offshore and what would be the effect.

      Doesn’t matter…your statement of error proves you have no clue what you’re talking about…just another blathering idiot filled with hate and led by his Masters

      • Bitter Libertarian

        “If you’re speaking of the Marine Research Institute grant just announced (nowhere near 17 mil) …. that was given to accomplish the unfunded mandate by Bush that the offshore shelf on the west coast be surveyed and mapped for habitat etc to determine if they can drill offshore and what would be the effect”.

        Sounds like public funds for private profit.

  • Robert

    only a total fool would spend worse than a drunken sailor and expect everything to be ok. I learned as a young lad that money does not grow on trees. when you spend into the future you have nothing to live on. the people in the depression knew this and after Roosevelt robbed the people of their gold they had nothing and starved. that is why people know that gold is the only thing of value and to keep it hidden so the theives in govenment can not do that again. The government is the crooks best example of what to do. obama was a chicago gangster in brooks brothers clothing. He was just another crook on the take. He is going to make castro look like a saint.

    • HFlashman

      Did you protest when Bush II destroyed the surplus (which would have paid off the debt) ?

      • Bitter Libertarian

        Theres alot to protest from every President starting with Johnson.

        We didnt get in this mess in the last 8-10-12 or 20 years…. Big Picture … having our economy owned by a Foreign Interest is whats been Killing & Bankrupting Americans.

      • Ted Crawford

        At some point, ole flashie, one would think that even a progressive would understand that there was NO SURPLUS from the clinton presidency!! The phantom surplus was created using trick accounting that included the claiming of Social Security Taxes payed in and not reporting the benefits payed out! Any administration, with the very notable exception of the current one, could have claimed a surplus!! In any case, if you recall, the conservatives had control of the house at that point. By The Constitution they get credit for the economy, good or bad!!

      • JeffH

        HFlashman, the Clinton surplus is a myth, never was and never will be.

        On FY2000, the National Debt was $5.674178 trillion with a deficit of $17.91 billion.
        FY2001, the National Debt was $5.807463 trillion with a deficit of $133.29 billion

        The budget was almost balanced in FY2000 (ending in September 2000 with a deficit of “only” $17.9 billion), but it never reached zero–let alone a positive number. Clinton’s last budget proposal for FY2001, which ended in September 2001, generated a $133.29 billion deficit. The growing deficits started in the year of the last Clinton budget, not in the first year of the Bush administration.

        You can verify these figures by accessing the U.S. Treasury website where the national debt is updated daily and a history of the debt since January 1993 can be obtained.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          JeffH,
          They call him flushman cause he flushed his brain down the progressive toilet!!!

          • DaveH

            Joe, you are assuming he had some to begin with.

          • DaveH

            The Liberal Siren-Song is an easy sell to ignorant people because everybody would like the easy road to comfort and happiness. Who wants to face the reality that it takes hard work and sacrifice to live the good life.
            And then after all that, the lowlifes show up to help themselves to your hard-earned assets. It’s no wonder that the Liberal promises are so easily accepted by the ignorant citizens.

  • Arthur Curtis

    A very simple solution to the whole tax and spend problem is this: 1) Amend the Constitution to restrict government borrowing to DECLARED wars or emergencies of a national nature; 2) restrict the government to spend up to revenue collected the prior year (e.g. revenue for 2009 to be 2010′s spendable money;) and finally: 3) balance the budget by eliminating entitlement and other ‘give-away’ (TARP, Porkulus) programs, most recently passed first then back in time through the ‘great (not!) society’ until the U.S. is back in the black. I also recommend a flat 10% across the board tax rate with no loopholes or deductions. Yes I’ve heard the whiners complain that a poor man can’t afford 10% as easily as a rich one. But how many times have we all heard this response to an employee’s pay raise: “Great, I got a dollar raise and pushed into the next higher tax bracket, so I really only got a 30 cent raise!” By adding the incentive of a progressively lower tax through hard work, we see an economy boom of astonishing proportions. I’d also suggest a voluntary excess tax list so all these wealthy libs could sign up to have more of THEIR wealth redistibuted if higher taxes are what they think is really needed. I highly doubt any signatures would appear though.

  • Robert

    by the way here is an example I want you to digest. puplic school teachers make forty thousand dollars and up with retirement of 80000 dollars a year. private school teachers make 28ooo a year and get social security which is 30000 a year. private schools students have better education than puplic schools. puplic schools have 2o students per classroom, private schools have 30 to 40 students per classroom . more work private less pay, public less work more pay.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      Spot on…IMHO the Entire Dept of Un-Education needs to be dismantled. private schools will be competative as you pay. The reason they FIGHT to keep the putrid school system is its more tax revenue they extract from everyone, even if your kids dont use the system or you have NO CHILDREN!

      WAKE UP ..this injustice has been perpetrated by BOTH parties and they sit back and enjoy your ignorance.

      I wish they had a BOX on election day…. “NONE OF THE ABOVE- TRY AGAIN”

    • Karolyn

      Blame the teachers’ unions. As long as under-par teachers are allowed to teach because of tenure, kids will be denied what they are due.

      • a progressive nightmare

        Dismatle the department of “Un-education” and start over.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Robert,
      I have to call you on one thing. I haven’t seen a public classroom with less than 25 students unless it is a “honors” class! most here are 25 to 30 each!

  • Bitter Libertarian

    “Almost ALL economists agree on this.”

    Then ALL ECONOMISTS need to be FIRED!

    • DaveH

      And where do most of those economists get their paychecks. Government, of course. Is it any wonder they don’t want to bite the hand that feeds them?
      You can find real economists at Mises.org.

      • a progressive nightmare

        Bitter and DaveH, Yep, correct again. Same thing with this global warming scam. Nothing more than politically motivated junk science with both having the same agneda for America at hand.i.e.; PROGRESSIVE-MARXISM

  • http://eletter@news.personaliberty.com randy

    november 2 is the start of a new reckoning.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      Dont Hold your breath! The US “RETREAD” program is rotating right back around, I dont believe much will change.

      BOTH parties VIOLATE the CONSTITUTION which in turn violates OUR LIFE, LIBERT & FINANCIAL FREEDOMS.

      Good Luck with that second round of HOPE.

      • a progressive nightmare

        Bitter, Hard to argue with your comments but let us not give up the good fight!

  • http://eletter@news.personaliberty.com Randy

    David you hit the provervial nail on the head.

  • ALWAYS RIGHT

    “anyone lucky enough to be gobbling at the Federal trough receives, on average, some $41,791 in benefits a year. That’s in addition to a salary, on average, of $81,258 a year.”
    Sorry, USA Today, but your numbers are wrong unless oyu include the DC crowd and people like the soetero’s poodle-keeper, who makes over $100K a year. I’m mid-range Federal service and my pay grosses $42K and change, including locale pay for the Los Angeles area. That is below the median state income by 33%. As one gets up toward the GS-15 level there are fewer and fewer workers in that range, so the average isn’t much above where I am. Last time I checked the median family household income in Ca. was @$61,017 in 2008. The poverty level is @ $30K. I’m closer to “poverty” than the $120K range USA Today is babbling about.
    Federal GS pay tables are here:
    http://www.opm.gov/oca/10tables/index.asp

    So in other words, Mr. Livingiston, you owe this worker and a whole lot of others like me an apology. You just pulled a barry soetero, pulling numbers out of your backside without checking the facts.

    • Jeep

      Always, it is in vogue today to bash govt workers, instead of bashing those non-productive recipients of govt largess. You know, like welfare, etc. But, I suppose “the needy” should get paid, while those that support national, state and local govts should be tarred and feathered.

  • FlashmanLied ReasonDied

    Every one your your ten points is a lie. More than half of the viewers of this thread are out of touch with REALITY.
    1. Banks are still at risk. TARP is a boondoggle.
    2. The AMERICAN auto industry is selling fewer cars than just a few years ago. Profits are scant.
    3. Unemployment is way too high. Government employees are overpaid.
    4. Home values are still way down.
    5. Health care costs are going up.
    6. By and large people can’t buy on credit or choose not to.
    7. Energy policy is in a shambles and prices are unstable.
    8. We still have military stationed around the world but can’t control our borders.
    9. Terrorist are emboldened and mock us.
    10. Education reform is all about pushing a destructive agenda on children who are mocked if they try to think for themselves and get some reasonable answers to their questions.
    Know some truth because I don’t think you want to hear it.

  • Robert

    always right I had a neighbor who worked for the post office, and he made over 10000 dollars a year more than I made and had holidays off and got paid for his holidays. I had to work those days to be paid for them. I collect social security and it is much less then he received. he gets cola,s and I do not. He gets free medical when he worked and I had to pay for mine.He gets cadilac retirement and I get social security. you tell me you do not get more then you are either lying or you do not have a grasp of reality.

    • Karolyn

      Not any more.

  • Lee Weatherly

    Sure Pres. Bush made mistakes but the economy was good until the Dems. took over Congress two years before Obuma took over as THE NEW WORLD ORDER DICTATOR.

    • Donna Hansen

      Bingo…do these lefties know they will be ruled in every aspect of their life …and their children??? all of us and our families…and we will be at the mercy of a dictator who might be having a bad day? And who hates whites and blacks and Jews…uh oh.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      The Economy was not stable but inflating in a manner that, when combined with this administrations spending insanity the two forces working together have finished off the process of destrioying our economy.

      Let us NOT forget NAFTA, GAFT, ILLEGAL WARS, and providing world wide WELFARE & POLICE.

      Both parties working together … One sets the stage…the next provides the actors.

      • Ted Crawford

        You are right Bitter! The reason is we, for some unknown reason, continue to use out of date terms, like democrate and republican. These terms have no more meaning in todays political environment than the terms wigg and tory. Our focus should be on the terms , progressive and conservative. When we do that the picture clears up dramaticly!!

  • http://jimmy.joe.image@hotmail.com jimmy joe

    how about since democrats love high taxes so much, love involuntary servitude/slavetrade,socialism,and government,taking away the resources,of the people’s choices of how they spend their own money,live their own lives,and their own charities,redistributed to government charities;give liberal’s just that;”be careful of what you ask for,you just might get it;”eminent domain.repossess their bank accounts,investments,property etc.from every advocate for these polices,inform them they will no longer profit off of the free enterprise system/capitalism;only donations like a street monkey,and his organ grinder;all normal free enterprise profit’s from their labor’s/skill’s will go to balancing the budget;after all it is democrats that claim,we should only be allowed to succeed so much,and prosper only as much as government dictates;all who believe in redistribution of america’s wealth to the united nations of dictator’s,to advance their new world order,global alliance,one world government;first stop all funding to the u.n.arrest and charge all who is involved in ponzi’schemes from global warming,environmentalist who used their power to stop american progress,in order to collapse america’s economy,and destroy the free enterprise/capitalist system;charge all who declared an oath to the u.s.and did the bidding of the u.n.,mis appropriations of taxpayer dollars that are spent elsewhere other than where it was told to the american taxpayer;such as saying its for job stimulation,and is used to give cocaine to monkey’s,special interest,such as unions,who use the taxpayer money as a slush fund to re-elect;bought and paid for pimp,and prostitute politicians;and after,and when convicted of economic terrorism,misappropriation of funds perjury,aiding,and abeiting america’s enemies and treason;there sentence is revoking their citizenship;and sending them to the countries they tried to make america resemble;example obama loves,and bow’s to shari’a compliant islam,marxist communism/mao se tung type leaders;/and the birth place,and ideaologies of his father,over america; so comprimise,and send him to his new home in yemen;those like hillary clinton don’t believe in parental rights;and today’s liberal women agree,also believe children are expendable,or need to be sexually stimulated,fom the womb to the tomb; maybe their new home should be afghanistan;plus they might learn what the results of socialism looks like in its final stages;hollywood,and the entertainment,industry,love their dictators,so;how about we send them to north korea;so they all experience exactly what they have,and still are determined to do against america;of course they all can send us a post card, to let us know how’s that socialism,and marxist communism working out for you;no; they won’t have access to twitter,texting,e-mail,or internet,instead; what they wanted for america,only the elitist intellectual types,and government will have access to the free enterprise/capitalist system;as they are socialist/communist;that will only recieve whatever the government says you are worth;and especially after they have made it clear they are decendent’s of monkeys,and not human being’s endowed by god anyway,but government;but again its exactly what they said they wanted;didn’t they?protesting,destoying property,lives,and liberties,demanding that is the kind of country they wanted;well then give in to their demands,give them exactly what they want;but in the countries that govern that way;then let’s see how they like,what kind of tierney,they demand the rest of us to live under;”involuntary servitude,socialism,marxist communist political correctness,and shari’a compliant islam;”get your birka’s ready,hillary,nancy pelosi,n.ow.and planned parenthood;, obama media,get your immigration visa’s ready,along with the hollywood,and entertainment industry,to your new homeland;get your chastity belts on; pedophile teacher’s unions;because the least america can do on your behalf;is let these dictatorship country’s know,that you are totally in agreement with their religious beliefs,and believe that their beliefs should flourish,you believe,there are too many people on the planet,you worship genocide, of any who are inconvienient;you believe big government knows best,not people,and you are obsessed in molesting,raping,and pillaging,what rightfully belongs to others,in order to temporarily satisfy your insecure anti human life,and liberty,nature’s to fill the void of your insecurities,jealousy,hate,obsessions,and addictions;jesus christ; the number one enemy of these people,as well those loyal to the biblical scripture’s,about jesus,as well his own teachings;jesus said when he returns that all that deny him before man,he will deny before his father in heaven;and those who seek to cut-off my people from the vine,it is them that will be cut from the vine;which is exactly the number#1 goal of progressive liberalism,marxist communism,and islam, all socialist;against america,israel,orthodox christians,and jews,and establish lucifer’s law; like thir true god lucifer;to exalt their will above god’s,above humanity’s,above human life,and liberty,and above the law given to moses by god;how about we give these terrorist,marxist communist,dictator,government,rape,pillaging,pedophile,and satan worshipping progressive liberal’s an intervention to reality;let them experience from others, what they have done to others, and still demand from other’s,cut them from the vine just long enough to have an epiphinany,an awakening to the reality of the hate,perversions,greed,and self-serving natures they impose against other’s;maybe they might begin seeing life,from the eyes,pain,and suffering,their selfish,obsessive,and addictive nature’s have denied to others in order to satisfy their slave master mentalities that demand other’s lose their,lives,liberties,property,innocence,rights,and the fruits of their labors to prop up society predators,perverts,and deadbeats.finally those that demand sexual stimulation,and homosexual lifestyles,indoctrination,education,be brainwashed into our children,against the will,and beliefs of their parents,and the homosexual lobby’s effort to force,and flaunt their lifestyles,in the military to force others to accept,believe,and tolerate,their lifestyles,flaunts,and aggressive exhibitionist nature’s,in order to justify their insecurities,and shame;and social engineer our military the same as they have preyed on our children,and our culture; i say send those brave lobbyist to iran,and saudia arabia;and if they are successful there,maybe we will consider their demands,but our military,is over there, not you;there lives on the line not yours;so at least until they come home.just shut-up; let them do their duty,and for once do what you promised to do 50 years ago; keep your sexual lifestyles,and beliefs,where i, and most american’s do;in the bedroom,and to yourselves;and find another way to deal with your insecurities,and personal shame;and quit forcing,and demanding everyone,fill your empty voids;this is exactly what a true friend would tell you,and a true psychologist,or psychiatrist,would tell you but won’t because of political correctness;so i will;no one who truly believes in what they are doing,or who they believe they are;does not feel the desperate need to be acknowledged,or accepted by other’s; unless they have what i call,”i don’t,or can’t get enough attention deficit syndrome”no relations to the medical term;just plain,and simple inferiority complex,insecurities;the entertainment business is full of em;first of all no one care’s about your lifestyle,until you force your beliefs on others;i don’t want to force you to believe as i do because i don’t need,or care if people dis-agree;i’m comfortable in my own skin,and don’t feel the need to advertise,or force feed my beliefs to others;try it;i guarantee you’ll be the better for it;nobody likes being told what to do,or believe;live,and let live;jimmy joe;”the liarfryer

    • S.C.Murf

      Good rant keep it going. This country and the UK were raised up to protect Israel, this job is done, they now can take care of themselves having some of our tactical nukes and other weapons. So what is to become of the US? Our immorality,greed, and overall sinful nature is going to be our destruction, and our political people are guiding us there, BOTH parties. I don’t believe God our father Yahweh is going to stand by us anymore, I believe He is going to let this country follow satan and his evil,vile ways and collapse as it is now unfolding before our eyes

  • jopa

    The three trillion dollar numbers mentioned in the above article include the Bush numbers of the credit card he used to fund the wars and terrorist activities and torture.These are not just President Obamas budget numbers.Very misleaading article.

    • Jeep

      Yeah, sure, our soldiers are just running around the world conducting “wars and terrorist activities and torture.” As I usually say to you ignorant nut cases, feel free to come to my Army base and repeat that in the face of a young, steely eyed, flat-bellied paratrooper. And, since you appear to be so ignorant, please feel free to examine the budget. Defense spending is NOT the lions share of the budget, you nut case. Let’s start with Health and Human Services, or Social Security. Cut those areas first, then talk to me about the “credit card”.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        I spent 20 years with a Green ID Card and I can tell you there is a difference between Defebce spending and the cost of the war in Afganistan & the war in IRAQ. Those 2 are linked, but seperate.

        The wars cost 3/4 trillion…Defence is much less.

    • Jim H.

      Jopa, Do you have any proof of our solders torturing or committing acts of terror? Do you have proof that Bushes intent was to go out and terrorize and torture? I think your just yapping. It was wrong when Bush did the bail outs and was still wrong when Obama did it even more. The out of control spending needs to stop, it’s unsustainable. No matter who is doing the spending.

      • Denniso

        War creates atrocities against innocents or helpless captives…these wars are no different, the stories have been in the news and some have gone to court.

        • http://naver samurai

          What about the terrorists doing the same thing? Isn’t it amazing how the MSM has time to show “so called” live videos of our soldiers, but never has the time to show the terrorists actions? How about all these bombings going on in these countries? Do you think our soldiers are the ones who load up a car with explosives (TNT, C4, NITRO, Etc…) and drive it into a crowded area and blow it sky high? I could care less about the bomber dying, but what about the innocent women and children, moron? What did they do to be sent to the here after, but be in the wrong place at the wrong time? You really need to go over there and look for yourself to see what is happening. This situation was warranted due to the actions of some crazed fanatics who blew up the WTC on 2001-09-11. What about the ones who died for no reason under Clinton? The debacle in Somalia (Remember, under Bush I we were accomplishing the mission!), blowing up an aspirin factory in the Sudan and unmanned camps in Afghanistan, and going to Bosnia. Bosnia was none of our affair and had no American interests attached to it. The workers in Sudan died for what? They died because Clinton wanted to take some heat off of he and his lady of the evening Monica. Please get your facts straight before you post! And while you are at it, get a real life to. This one seems to be useless in its appearance! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            samurai,
            You know this is nothing new! They did this same thing to us in VietNam! Called us baby killers and then ignored the reports coming back about cong chopping off a mammasahns head cause she was in possesion of american candy or the one that my unit had to clean up where a young girl had her unborn baby cut out of her stomach cause she had a cross around her neck and cong figured she had to be pregnant by an American soldier!!! Or the woman that they hung by her hands in a tree and used a steel rod to break every bone in her body trying to get information she didn’t have! But the cong were such good people as attested to by that B!TCH jane fonda! (capital letters omitted on purpose!)

          • Granny Mae

            Joe H

            I have never understood why jane fonda was not tried for treason ! She should have been and I think she still should be ! She is a disgrace to America !

          • http://naver samurai

            I know what you mean Joe H. My father did three tours of Vietnam and he told me some things. I agree with you 100%, but when we get Obama bin Laden for treason can we get Jane also? There is no statute of limitations for treason. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • a progressive nightmare

          Denniso, Well maybe you should write OSAMA and OBAMA and let them in own your profound findings. I bet as soon as OSAMA reads your progressive little daycare thoughts he will call back his legends of terrorists and tell them to NEVER-EVER fly another plane into a building full of innocent AMERICANS.

          DUMB AND DUMBER……..BEAM ME UP!

        • Jim H.

          Hi Denniso, More vague accusations with no specifics. I asked jopa for proof of her accusations that our troops terrorize or torture or that Bush went to war for that purpose. When the enemy puts legitimate military targets next to schools, hospitals, and orphanage, bad things happen. who’s fault is it really. Prisoners will be interrogated, that is how we get intelligence. Specific proof. Names, dates, evidence, things like that.

          • Denniso

            I didn’t bring up the fact that some of our soldiers have been involved in war crimes or other atrocities…all I was trying to do was correct someone’s response saying that we haven’t done anything like that. I understand that the hell of war creates evil deeds,even by some of our people. There have been a handful of cases in the news
            and if you don’t pay attention I’m not about to do your homework for you. I’m not making a cause out of this issue, but if you think that hundreds of thousands of soldiers fighting for their lives don’t ocassionally resort to actual crimes of rape and intentional murder of civilians, then your in denial.

            Of course there was the now forgotten Abu Graib(sp) prison torture of Iraqis by U.S. personel. Americans are not perfect,we are human and sometimes flawed. Ignoring that fact is not how we learn to be better as a country and people.

          • Jim H.

            Hi Denniso, To also clearify, I was asking jopa, also at Abu Gaib, the prisoners were humiliated, but they weren’t beaten or tortured in the physical way. In the first Iraqi war a group of British SAS troops were captured, they had teeth knocked out and broken jaws. They would have traded places in a heart beat. I did some of your homework. ( free of charge)

          • Denniso

            You don’t remember that some of the prisoners at the prison were killed by the our guards? Remember the pics of the prisoners standing on a stool,blindedfolded w/ electrical wire attached to their genitals? There was a body of a prisoner found packed in ice in a shower or some place like that.
            Look, war is indeed hell. It can also produce monsters and bring out the worst in people…we Americans are not perfect people and are not immune to that. You put people into a hellish and death defying position for very long and some go bad.

          • denniso

            JimH…here’s a story about the issue that just appeared on CNN. Again, I’m not surprised or shocked,though it’s disgusting…I know that this kind of crap happens in war…go back to Mi Lai in Vietnam, when I first became aware of the atrocities of war,even from our own people. No one is a saint.

            http://afghanistan.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/27/background-u-s-soldiers-charged-with-murder/?hpt=T1

          • Jim H.

            Hi Denniso, The comment jopa made, sounded like an accusation that it was the policy of our military and the administration to torture and terrorize. I agree that in a group of people as large as the U.S. military there will be solders, or a group that will commit atrocities. Some of the guards at Abu Graib, now have their own guards watching them.A group of solders are now on trial at Fort Lewis for the murder of civilians in Afghanistan. So to answer jopa, it’s not the policy of the U.S. military to commit those acts. And to answer you, yes there are certain ones or groups that do commit atrocities. That is why we have JAG. I’m not sure if some are under so much stress that they crack or some are just evil or both. It’s sad that it does happen though.

          • Denniso

            I’m glad we agree. It’s why war should be an absolute last resort since it is hell on earth. We put 18,19 20 yr olds in a horrible situation where it’s kill or be killed,every day. We keep them there for months,give them a break and send them back again…2, 3 or 4 times. They see their buddies blown to bits in front of them and often live in a hellish condition, then we are surprised and shocked when some turn into beasts.

    • JeffH

      jopa, it’s only natural for you to be mislead…hope you can figure it out someday.

    • Killian

      Your a brain dead Idiot. That’s all there is to say about you……

  • Angel

    Oh, you ignorant slut! It’s the corporations getting rich off of the government, not the federal employees. Follow the trillions, you imbecile!

    • Bruce D.

      Don’t play dumb Alan H. A firechief retired in WPB, Florida with 30 years in at the age of 52. He received $450,000 one lump sum and $60,000 a year for the rest of his life. This is the norm with 30 years in. If he lives 30 more years he retires with $1,800,000 plus the $450,000. If the unions help the mayors get elected they promise to increase benefits. Now most cities are broke and people are finally starting to pay attention to where the money is going.

      • Joyce from Loris

        You are right Bruce. Bell, CA is a perfect example of how even a small town government can financially raped it’s citizens of their money.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Bruce D. that’s nothing, the little town of Eastlake mayor was convicted of a federal crime, got house arrest for six months, retired with a lump sum for his vacation and sick days and 80% of his pay which was 60 thousand and 80 thousand since he had two jobs , that of mayor and safety director!!! That is 140 thousand at 80% is 112,000 dollars a year as a fellon!!! this is a city of 20,255 as of 2005!!

    • DaveH

      Alan,
      I can only assume that you are a Liberal with that foul-mouthed personal attack. Who cares whether it’s the Government employees or the Crony Capitalists who are getting rich? We just need dramatically Smaller Government.

  • Robert

    by the way if the government was obeying the constitution we would not have most of our problems. Gold and silver coin in circulation and only gold and silver coin. Gold notes for large transactions. the federal government would not be able to spend like a drunken sailor because their is only a limited amount of gold and silver, so they could only spend that which they had and debt would be very limited, because they would have to pay for whatever they needed and would have to tax the people and you know what would happen if they took everything the people had to operate. what would happen is they would only be able to do only what the constitution allowed them to. going into debt would be scarey and would be done as a last resort. throw the bums out in november and we will have a chance to straigen this out. I doubt they will but it is better than nothing

  • MorningStar

    It’s about the spending every election & elected politicians continue to spend the day after elections. Also, it’s about high taxes, bankrupt govt., bureaucrats crossing the land harassing the people, continual foreign wars, illegals, no true representational govt. for the People….same causes of the American Revolution.

    I recommend everyone just read a new book out that’s about a small town that finally stands up to federal tyranny. It’s a must read cause it could be our home town one day & it may be history telling us to fulfill our destiny. It’s great cause it could be us soon defending the U.S. Constitution.
    http://www.booksbyoliver.com

  • Bitter Libertarian

    Chip said: “Back in 2001, blessed by a healthy Republican majority in the House and Senate, George Bush persuaded Congress to approve some of the largest tax cuts in our country’s history. The Democrats couldn’t stop the legislation, but they very cleverly exacted a condition: The tax cuts would expire on Dec. 31, 2010, unless Congress extended them.”

    Nothing more then the elite tossing scraps to the slaves….If the Republicans conducted real financial reform they would have changed the FEDS Monetary Policy..Fix the problem at the source, not dribble around handing this BS out!

    • Killian

      Yea you got your name right, and that’s all you have ever gotten right! While you’re sitting there hating a person that has been out of office for damn near two years, This Stupid Moron Of an Idiot is running this country into the ground! Bush was no better so take your argument about me being a bush supporter and shove it. I did not like bush 1 or 2 I did not like Clinton either, all crooks.

  • Peter Kobal

    Get rid of NAFTA and GATT. We lost our industries. Like the old commercial said, Where’s the beef (jobs). Only the third world nations made out like a bandit. Government increase spending into a bottomless pit. Who is going to pay for this out of control spending ??? It is mathematically impossible to
    compete with countries who have our jobs being paid nickel and dime per hour without a tariff while we have a minimum wage requirement of saying $7.00 +/hour. We need a business man to run for office. Lawyers do not know how to run or manage a business. Running a country IS a business other wise we would not have survived this long. We have been going down hill since the sixties. The older generations have failed our country. Pete K.

  • Killian

    alwaysright I was just going to tell flash that he is soooooooooooo stupid, just to save the time of writing all those issues you wrote about. I truly feel the same way you do on alot of the same issues, its just I hate to see people who get it trying to teach Idiots like flashman there.

  • Killian

    AMEN S.C. MURF

  • Killian

    Great piece jimmy jo

  • John Pugsley

    Just finished reading your column “It’s the Spending, Stupid.”

    Well written, as always, but you segued from the spending into excoriating the dems for not extending the tax cuts. The problem is spending. If taxes are cut but spending isn’t, the difference is borrowed. Borrowing money that will never be repaid is a silent tax that comes out through inflation, so the tax winds up being levied most heavily on the lower income classes. If politicians spend, force them to extract it at gunpoint, . Lowering taxes is a fraud that sells well to voters, but camouflages the real problem, which is spending.

    John Pugsley

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    The only thing you failed to point out is the fact that liberals/democraps are generous – ONLY with other people’s money!! Look at how cheap they are with THEIR OWN money!! I.e., when it comes to charitable donations as a % of income, look at how stingy the bumbling bigmouth VP Biden is!! !Que tacano!! And as for BHO, he has a brother living in a shack in Kenya, earning only $12.00 per year!! Will BHO share some of his wealth with his brother?? NOOOOO!!!! He also has an aunt living in the ghetto. If I had even half of BHO’s wealth, I’d surely help my brother or an aunt if they were needy!!…..And as for tax increases, let’s not forget the hypocisy of many rich phony liberals/democraps who cheat on their own taxes. Thus, while “It’s the Spending Stupid” is a good slogan, we need to add to it: IT’S OUR MONEY, STUPID!! IT’S NOT UNCLE SCAM’S MONEY!!!!

    • Joyce from Loris

      I love it, Earl! Great piece.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    Now, lets talk about Corporate Welfare…..what does that cost the US tax payer annually?

    Do you feel its fair partaking in a process that GIVES your hard earned money to a private company to certain things? McDonalds given Millions to ADVERTISE in Russia!? Go to a site called GovGrants.org…Look at who is getting Hundreds of Millions you NEVER hear about..then REALIZE that this system is operated by BOTH parties because BOTH parties subscribe to the Corporate welfare process to GET ELECTED!

    How about this topic Chip…dare to “go there”?

  • http://Currahee bill

    Spending is definitely a good start to turn this economy around but there are plenty of other things that need to be done also. I tell people there are three things that need to be done for a start and they are lower government spending, taxation and return to a gold and silver backed money. The people have to educate themselves and start thinking on their own. We also need to put people into government that are honest and have integrity. Both parties are currently filled with people who are not loyal to their oaths. We also need to return to a free market based economy as we have been under a mixed / planned economy since 1913 when the fifth plank of the communist manifesto was made law creating the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve idea was created in 1910 by seven people who represented twenty-five percent of the world’s wealth at that time. Other planks of the communist manifesto have been implemented such as the income tax, property tax and death tax. So Bush was wrong when he stated that this current recession proved the failure of the free market system. It proved once again the failure of the mixed or planned economy. The Fed has stolen 98% of our money via inflation as the buying power of the Federal Reserve Note (FRN) is approximately .02 cents when compared to a 1913 silver / gold backed dollar. We are just a short distance away from becomming another Weimar Republic or Zimbabwe. But our saviors in the Federal Government have the answer a global fiat (unsupported ) currency such as the Unita or Amero. If you want to know who gives the Republican and Democratic parties their marching orders look at an organization called the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR). This is an organization of approximately five thousand who have held all or most the important cabinet posts in the Federal government for decades whether it was Republican or Democratic controlled. The majority of the TARP money from the last two presidents went to either members or supporters of the CFR. The CFR basically controls the Federal government, education and media. Their members include the Rockefellers who also where one of the seven involved in the creation of the Federal Reserve. Other members include Ted Turner, Tom Brokaw and Katie Couric. I have to agree with Glenn Beck that they are taking our money and giving it to foreign countries via redistribution in an attempt to take control of this country totally and to put all Americans at the same level as the poorest in the world. With the exception of the political elites that will be running the show of course. If you believe that this is some fake conspiracy theory I would suggest you read the book by Bill Clinton’s mentor Carrol Quigly called “Tragedy and Hope.” One last thing Naziism, Fascism, Socialism and Communism are all left wing governments as they all start with the premise that government control of everything is the answer. Everything else is only minor technical differences. If socialism was the answer every communist country created would have been paradise instead of disasters that thousands of people lost their lives trying to escape from. Communist China is only doing so well because the west chased their manufacturing base out via regulation, taxation and putting a ten dollar an hour worker into competition with a worker who earns a dollar a day.

    • DaveH

      I think that China has also benefitted from the experience of Hong Kong. There are loosening the purse strings and allowing more economic freedom than in the past, but they still have a long way to go.
      Great Comment, Bill. Please post more.

    • a progressive nightmare

      Bill, Great post. Thank you!

  • JeffH

    What do you know…Nazi PELOSI is crying foul! This from a person that says the Tea Party Protesters are like Nazis and un-American.
    “They’re carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on healthcare.”

    House Speaker Nazi Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Democrats’ criticism of GOP leader John Boehner (Ohio) does not compare to the personal attacks Republicans have levied against her for years.

    I guess Pelosi was right, the Tea Party movement is made up of Nazis but I’ll let you decide. Watch this video to find out.
    http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/2010/06/06/i-guess-pelosi-was-right-the-tea-party-movement-is-made-up-of-nazis/

    • JeffH

      Anybody ever notice how the liberals are always accusing “us” for threatening President Obama?

      Here is some food for thought about how the left threatens a POTUS.
      Death Threats Against Bush at Protests Ignored for Years.
      Why was no one ever arrested for threatening President Bush at protests, when they displayed signs in public that called for his death?
      http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

      • JeffH

        …in stead of using “always”, I’ll retract that word and replace it with “often”.

  • THINK ABOUT

    Yes spending is the big problem, war of choice, Congress and president never vetoing any bills in his early years got this country in big trouble. Now we are trying to fight our way out, trying to get jobs back in the USA that will lead to product purchasing by lots of people. You can not change what has happened in the past but this is a new day. Get rid of the tax cuts that was not followed by spending cuts, let’s pull together and see what needs to be done to get out wars. The auto companies are back on the road to recovery, we have to pull together. This irrational thinking we find among lots of folks is not putting the train back on the track. The yelling is only heard as yelling and nothing getting done. I would like to see some sensible plans put on the table, it is not all about “getting our country back” as much as putting the train back on the track. We need qualified people running for offices which knows how to get our country back. United we stand, divided we fall, where do you want to be.

  • http://none Alex

    Three trillion dollars! Three TRILLION dollars!

    Since most of you people care far more about money than lives, look at the three trillion dollars already wasted in Iraq. Sensible people decry the lost lives, lives lost in another of our frequent wars of Capital. The combination of hubris and greed, built on a bulwark of lies, has taken $3,000,000,000,000.00 of YOUR MONEY(to this point)and flushed into the sewer which drains into Haliburton and Bechtel. I have tried many many times to get just one of you Fright Wingers to acknowledge the thousands of dead and apologize to their families for supporting their loved one’s needless death, to no avail. Maybe money will get you freaks to pay attention. The previous Rethuglican administration ALLOWED the attacks of 911 to occur through their willful disregard of the many warnings put forward and then dragged us into a war with Iraq that had NOTHING to do with the terror attacks.

    Another money issue for all you hot-n-bothered capitalists: The Obama White House tried to save nearly EVERY ONE of you tax money, but the GOP leadership wanted to shelter the very rich as well—hey it costs a lot of money to run a country, what with schools and infrastructure
    and our voracious military. Somebody has to pay for it: why not those MOST able?

    You guys just cannot sleep at night with a Black man in the White Guy’s House.

    • JeffH

      Alex, always the racist huh? More the typical liberal rhetoric from a typical liberal hack!

      As Sargent Carter used to scream at Gomer…I can’t hear you!

    • DaveH

      I could sleep at night if Alan Keyes was president, Alex. Did you vote for Alan? He’s been running for president for decades. If not, why not? Are you just a racist?
      Of course the war in Iraq is a waste of money. But since when do two wrongs make a right? And, newsflash, Alex, we are still in Iraq.

      • http://none Alex

        Dave H—My point indeed!!

        You label the war on Iraq as “a waste of money”–A WASTE OF MONEY!!

        Fright Wingers clearly, as I pointed out, care more about capital than actual human beings.

        Very sad comment on your values, Dave H.

        • Denniso

          And Obama is trying to get us out of Iraq, dropping troop numbers down to 50,000 from a high of at least 130,000. Less money wasted and some chance we will get out.

        • DaveH

          Then our problems are solved, aren’t they Alex? You can now keep your hands out of my wallet since money isn’t important to you.
          Pathetic Liberal Thief.

          • http://none Alex

            Dave H– Did my pointing out your complete disregard for the dead mercenaries in order to focus on MONEY leave at a loss for words?

          • DaveH

            Unlike you, Alex, I don’t concern myself with the Free choices that people make. Nobody put a gun to their heads and forced them to join the military.
            And don’t feign sympathy for your fellow human, Alex. If you really had any, you would not advocate for a Political Party that steals the money of hard-working Americans as if it were their own.
            By the way, Alex, I challenge you to find a single comment of mine where I advocate the US being the World’s Policemen.
            As with most immoral Liberals, you are grasping at straws in a futile attempt to gain the moral highground. You have no morals, Alex, or you wouldn’t advocate the theft by Government of other peoples’ money.

          • Jeff

            DaveH…and that’s the bottom line…LMAO!

          • denniso

            ‘Theft of other people’s money’? So we should have NO taxes at all? Can you imagine that everyone has a different idea about where taxes should go? So no tax money should go to anything that anyone objects to? Or, just have no taxes,hence no gov’t of gov’t programs? Come on,spit out your insults,but maybe manage to respond to the question…

          • Jeff

            Dave, oh Dave…it’s amusing how denniso starts ranting about taxation. I don’t recall you mentioning taxes at all in these two comments to Alex but a liberal has certainly inferred that you have.
            I can only laugh about it.

          • Jim H.

            Denniso, You say everyone has a different idea where taxes should go. Wouldn’t it be fun if we could say on our tax returns where the money we payed in should go? Mine would go to the National Park Service. I don’t know anyone who would say pay a senator, though. How about it?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Alex,
            you hav just shown you are either a muslim or the scum of the earth or both!!! Those are our service men and women, not mercenaries you piece of crap!! Worthless crap at that! Why don’t you do the world a favor and quit using up the air that GOOD Americans need!!! Go to he!! you scum!!!

          • DaveH

            Hong Kong’s Government operates on only 15% of GDP (as does Singapore’s). Our Government operates on 37% of GDP. Can anybody explain why our leaders need to spend almost 2 and 1/2 times what Hong Kong and Singapore spend?
            Don’t mind Denniso. In lieu of valid arguments, he has to take absolute positions, or otherwise blow things out of proportion.

          • Denniso

            JimH…sure, it could be fun and make taxes more palatable for all,but of course wouuldn’t work in practice…some aspects of gov’t would get too much money,some too little. Many people wouldn’t support the military as they think we are too imperialistic and waste way too much on arms. Many wouldn’t support the CIA or FBI.

            DaveH wonders why we spend so much more in gov’t than Hong Kong and Singapore? Try this for one…we have the largest military ever in the history of the world, Hong Kong has none and Singapore not much. We spend $700 billion a yr on it,about a fith of the total budget.
            We also have the most expensive healthcare system in the world and that affects the gov’t cost for medicare,medicaid,VA…Anyone ever seen the cost of a patient nursing home? Many elderly people are
            subsidized by the feds…about $6,000/month. The CEO’s in the healthcare industry collect their huge multi million $$ salaries partly on the back of the gov’t, which means the taxpayer.

            Understand, DaveH??

          • DaveH

            Denniso,
            The day I couldn’t understand anything that your small brain can grasp would be a cold day in Hell.
            I have always maintained that we shouldn’t be the World’s Policemen. You would know that if you took off your Zealotous Mask and actually read my comments.
            But it goes far beyond Military Spending. It is just a fact of life that money that comes easily to anybody is usually wasted by those people. That is especially true for Government people. They are wasting our money. It is a certainty, that if given the choice, the unwilling contributors wouldn’t buy much of what the Government offers. That is why Liberals, like you Denniso, want the Government to be the supplier, so that people don’t have a choice. Government is Force. Liberals embrace that Force. They don’t give a damn if people are happy or not. They just want their way.

            By the way, I am not trying to educate you, Denniso. I know that you are beyond hope. My comments are directed at people who are willing to take off the blinders and think a little.

          • Denniso

            YOU educate ME?? That’s funny. You’re an ideologue and make rash statements,like gov’t is force…do you mind having to have a license to drive? How about a building permit to build or remodel a house? Do you think you should have to have a permit to use dynamite? Of course you are against a permit for a gun…

            Times have changed, this isn’t the 18th century anymore and people like you need to come into the 21st. I don’t favor any more gov’t power than is needed,but that’s always debatable and everyone has a different view of how much is too much.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry denniso, but China and Russia have larger militaries than we do. We have a standing army around 500,000 and China has an army of 5,000,000. If we call up our Reserves and National Guard units, we could have 2-3 million soldiers. In China, after men serve there 2-3 years mandatory service, they are required to be part of the Reserves till they are 60 years old. Could you imagine how many soldiers that China could send to the field against an enemy if need be? Let’s see, America has about 300,000,000 people and you figure that China has 4-5 times that number in population. This means that they could have, in my opinion, the largest army to ever take the field in history. What forces on earth could stop an army some 400-500 million strong? I think you need to look up your facts before you post.

            The world’s largest armies:
            1. China
            2. India
            3. Russia
            4. Vietnam
            5. North Korea
            6. Pakistan

            Notice how many asian nations (except Russia) have large armies? We don’t even come close in numbers. Our technology is far better then theirs, except for China’s and Russia’s missile technology, so that will greatly make up the gap we have for soldiers in the field. Just think what size of an army we’ll have if Obama bin Laden has his way and cut the military paychecks by 25%? God help this country and you backward thinking libs! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Denniso

            I’m talking about the size of our military budget compared to other countries…DaveH wonders why our gov’t cost is higher than the world powers of Hong Kong and Singapore. Look at this…
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

            We spend 661 billion $$ a year on our military, w/o the wars going on.
            China…$100 billion
            France…$64 billion
            Britain…$58 billion
            Russia…$53 billion

            whole world…$1,531 billion, or $1.531 trillion

            So we spend,not counting the wars,which are separate from the yearly budget and about $8 billion/month, about $100 billion/yr.
            Our budget is just under 1/2 of the world total.
            That’s part of why we have such expensive gov’t, though our taxes are lower than in the 90′s.

            If DaveH weren’t afraid to alienate his rightwing buddies on this site
            and hurt his stated mission of recruitment for the libertarian party,
            he would call for defense budget cuts to help create a smaller gov’t.
            But, he can’t do that and he can’t be honest about shrinking gov’t.

          • Denniso

            It should read, ‘so not counting the wars,which amount to about $100 billion/yr, our defense budget is just under 1/2 of the world total in defense spending.’

            That’s right! We spend just under half of what the entire world spends
            on defense. Is that amazing? Does that seem maybe a little overkill,no pun intended? Anyone remember what Eisenhower,WW 2 General and war hero and Repub president ’52 to ’60 had to say? ‘Watch out for the power of the military industrial complex.’

    • a progressive nightmare

      and where does CLINTON fit into all this you DUMB JA?

  • DaveH

    There was a guy on Willis Report rationalizing why they needed to means test Social Security or raise the retirement age. But that isn’t what they promised the voters to secure their original compliance. How come it doesn’t surprise me that these Liberal Creeps can’t keep their promises? If a private company even came close to such fraud the indignant Liberals would be all over them. Why don’t we hear of Government cutting back on Government salaries or extravagant Government pensions that were paid by the taxpayer? Why don’t they talk about selling the vast acreage under their control to balance their budgets? I know. They want to keep their own power and perks. To hades for the rest of us.
    You’re right Nightmare, we need to vote. Out with the bulk of them!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      DaveH,
      you don’t hear them trying to come up with a way to pay back all those IOUs in the social security box either!!! They are worthless non-producing users!!!

  • Ms C

    We need to get that OBAMA BUNCH out of the White House…..

  • http://gmail i41

    Alex you are simple celled organism that lives of fecal material. Your BS on Haliburton, you don’t have a clue on how many good jobs they create and pay better wages if you can work and have an ability to get off you fat rear. Every time oild drilling is going the Haliburton is hiring and payying people great wages and benefits, at least till Jan 1. A year ago when the marxist, pistol grip, jug eared, moron with the envior communist democrat party stopped drilling ang was sure windmills and theories would create jobs. Never happened, after the drilling is going worldwide and hopefully in land in the USA. The drilling fluid branch will put on several thousand people if you s–t brained democap idoits keep from ham stringing all businesses. The Marxist Democrat party has sure helped China with the windmills and keeping their money growing. Who has gotten rich and done well with the marxist muslim moron, at the helm, government employees, bankers, government agencies wonks, union thugs lard a$$es, and all wasteful social programs and the welfare administative worms.

    • http://none Alex

      So then, you are saying that it is okay to start a war of Capital costing hundreds of thousands of lives if it makes money for Haliburton?

      • JeffH

        You liberal hacks sure like to put words in peoples mouths don’t you!

        • DaveH

          Isn’t it funny, Jeff, that when you take their hands out of your pocket, they call you selfish and greedy? I guess we should feel sorry for the pathetic Liberal hypocrites since the only weapons they have in a debate are their futile attempts to manipulate us with personal attacks.

          • Jeff

            Dave, you got that right. We don’t call them Democrats but we’re all Republicans. We constantly say we don’t trust politicians at all, both partys, and yet we’re still Republican supporters. Look at the GOP’s “Pledge”. They think by attacking the GOP “Pledge” that it’s an attack on us. I can only laugh at a liberal anymore.
            Most of the liberal attacks are totally hate filled and yet we’re the haters, racists, war and fear mongers and un-patriotic.
            That’s why the time for talking is over.

          • denniso

            Aren’t you guys clever and oh so cute…if most repubs would be honest and just admit that everything they care about comes down to their money and military might, I at least could respect them for their honesty…but no, they have to pretend that they hold other beliefs dear otherwise they wouldn’t have a chance w/ the general public.

          • Jeff

            DaveH, the Basque must be coming. Did you hear the sheeps baaa?

          • Jeff

            Oh DaveH, did I forget to mention that I can only laught at the constant liberal rhetoric?

          • a progressive nightmare

            Denniso, Well there it is! HONESTY? I’m sure you are an expert on that subject, correct?

          • DaveH

            Let’s see. Denniso wants our money, and he wants the biggest gang in the land to forcibly take it from us. Can somebody please explain, so my simple brain can grasp it, how that is different from what he accused the Republicans of doing?

      • Jeff

        End capitalism, support your local Marxist!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Alex,
        you call the military mercenaries and then fake concern for them. You are even lower than I originally said!!

        • http://naver samurai

          He probably doesn’t even know the difference between a trained soldier and a merc. A soldier does this job because he’s trained to do it. A merc does it because he loves it. You understand now? Alex, you moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver samurai

        Alex, your hero and lover Michael Moore owns stock in Haliburton so what’s your point? Does that mean he’s profiting from the war also?
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Michael

    I think that everyone in Washington is Sleep at the wheel. The wasteful spending has to stop. More money needs to get in the hands of small businessman and women or Entrepreneurs. This is also not a good time to pick just on the wealth people in this country.

    We have to remember that they are ones that have the MONEY and if we tax the hell out of them the are going to stop spending. If they stop spending we are all in trouble. They have the money, and create the jobs, not the federal government. The government is there to govern and make sure that Corp. America and Wall Street Play by the rules, not take over.

    A free market needs to stay that way, but needs oversight and when someone goes over the line that is when the government needs to step in.

  • Viktor Leben

    What I learned from Chip is if you 1) Have a good salary 2) allot of benefits 3) a great retirement then WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT !

    If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em !!! HA HA !

    • Viktor Leben

      Pardon me “Have” should read “Want”…

      The bottom line – get a government job ! It’s better than going to college ! – moneywise….

  • ’53 Korean Vet

    In my state, they’ve had to cut funding for Child Day-Care, which means they’re stripping to the Bones for their budgeted Taxes-! They also cut school supply funding-! I’ve a suggestion, which needs to be considered-! If we lay-off lawyers & State Environment Officials who are trying to force “Cap & Trade” Tax-laws on us-! We might even break even on our State Budget–and still fund our schools anyway-! We’ll also “Save” Jobs that would be lost if these new taxes go thru! Thus our “Tax-Base” will be “Stronger–not Weaker-!”

  • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts John Despard

    Yes, its the spending. But what spending are we talking about. Where is your outrage over the government spending that helps pay the elite their fortunes. A bottle of coke cost a dime when I was a child. It now has gone up 1500%. How much of this is attributable to plain inflation? How much is because Coca-Cola executives now make 400 or more times minimum wage. Even the advertising costs have soared. How much did Mickey Mantle or some other celebrity of the ’50s get for pitching products vs what they get today? I can choose to try to boycott the worst offending companies but I can’t control how my tax money is spent. There are plenty of entrepreneurs out there who would produce competing products for lesser profit than many companies charge. It is time for a “maximum wage”. Tax money should not be spent to enrich the elite. I often use professional athletes as an example. What is it that they do that makes them more valuable than a few hundred teachers? The same applies to other celebrities, bankers, CEOs, etc. The cost of all this is built into the prices of everything we buy. Our tax money should not be spent this way. Are drug companies going to quit research and stop producing new drugs if their executives and shareholders don’t make huge salaries and profits. Are athletes and entertainers going to quit what they do and drive trucks or something if they only earn $1M a year instead of $50M a year? Will Boeing go out of business if their executives only earn $1M a year? Capitalism has gotten out of hand and the very people who are making the most from it are the ones controlling the government and through their greed starving the lower classes. This is true for the entire world and eventually this greed is going to push the masses into a corner where for mere survival they have to revolt. We have seen it in France, Russia, China and several other places around the world. Now it looks as if it is beginning to happen here. We are supposedly both a Democracy and a Christian nation but how much voice does a poor man have in this country vs that of Bill Gates or Warren Buffett? How much money does our Christian government spend on a poor man vs how much it spends to enrich the likes of Gates and Buffett? Even with them giving away half or more of their fortunes it is all tax deductible and then the foundations they found will be buying products that enrich them further. I certainly applaud their noble gestures but in the long run how much will it actually cost them? Communism and socialism may not be the answer but neither is unbridled capitalism. We are all in this world together and sometime will have to learn to share the resources.

    • DaveH

      You are not speaking of “unbridled” capitalism, John, you are speaking of Crony-Capitalism which could not exist if we got the Government out of the Marketplace. As Government Grows, Corruption Grows.
      And where do you buy your bottles of Coke? At the movie theater?
      The price increases you speak of are caused by the weakening of the dollar due to excess money creation by the Federal Reserve. Add to that the expense of the Leviathan Government that now devours 37% of our Gross Domestic Product. They not only spend over a third of our economy, but they make us unhappier in the process. What a deal!

      The solution to your quandry is Free Markets. Vote Libertarian. Study at Mises.org.
      http://libertarianparty.org/platform

  • DaveH

    How did your Senator vote on the ‘Disclose Act’, S. 3628, the anti-speech Bill with the Typical Liberal Sweet-Sounding Name of “Democracy is Strengthened by Casting Light on Spending in Elections Act”.
    Should be “Politicians are Entrenched Even Further Act”:
    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=2&vote=00240

    • Jeff

      I didn’t even have to check the Feinstein-Boxer “yea” votes.

      • DaveH

        I escaped from California 16 years ago. My kids are still there, intent on going down with the ship. They want me to move back, but I would throw up every day if I did.

  • DaveH
  • liberty_or_death

    What law did this spending violate? THE CONSTITUTION.

    On top of which the Fed is a private bank that issues “our” money and collects interest on entries on a ledger . . .

    Our country was founded on freedom, equal opportunity (which means not everyone equal for those who are actually listening, if you want to sit on your couch and watch tv you should STARVE and if I want to work 12-14 hours a day I should THRIVE . . . do the math), and fair treatment by the law (not the prison complex we have! . . . the legal system should be blind . . . which it is not . . . it is all about money!).

    If you need me to cross reference the passages in the constitution to the Federalist papers . . . well . . . you are even less intelligent than I thought . . . I was giving you the doubt in being ignorant not stupid.

  • http://miraclehealingandprayercenter.com Shirley Wischmeier

    You can talk until someone buries you but your words will not change anything. A mind or two or three but until people go back to the real roots of this United States, we will have all the Obama garbage until the real socialists come forward. Obama is a front. He has an agenda but he lies every day and people are realing by his words. What is it that is going to change this country. What made this country great. God! Yeah our Creator. His love was in the people. Our freedom comes from the Bible. The oldest book in the whole world and It keeps on living. Once one man picks it up and begins to do what Jesus did, the power of God’s Holy Ghost leaves that one person and goes then to another until the love of God has spread and people act like brothers and sisters because of the love. Please make a difference. Find out what really brought the people here for freedom. They died to bring Christ to a new country. Be one of those who want your children to have the same freedom you have. It won’t happen unless you find out Who Christ Jesus is…..Bless you all. Go for it!

    • http://none Alex

      What on Earth makes you say that the Bible is the oldest book on Earth?

      • http://naver samurai

        What makes you think it isn’t?

      • DaveH

        It depends on how you define “first book”. The Gutenberg Bible was the first substantial book printed with movable type. So it is usually thought of as the oldest book.
        But this article digs deeper:
        http://www.wisegeek.com/what-was-the-first-printed-book.htm

  • Brian

    The only money that Government has is what it collects from the taxpayer.
    With trillions of dollars in deficit spending, tax cuts are not only undesirable, but counter productive. I am a Libertarian, but logic says someone must pay off the debt. Guess what! That’s us!

    You and I may not like it, but a bit of reality is what is needed, not just by silly Liberals, but by Republicans as well.

    In future a bill should be passed by Congress mandating a balanced budget. This will screw Congress to spending only what it can afford and stop them hogging funds that industry needs, and keeping interest rates at a naturally lower level, rather than this insane rate we have now.

    • DaveH

      Brian,
      Logic fails when it comes to most Politicians and people. Increasing the tax revenue, unfortunately, only leads to Politicians then spending more money. The Budget will never be balanced by increasing taxes, with or without the illusory “Balanced Budget Amendment”.
      Please do some more studying at Mises.com.
      As Chip noted “It’s the Spending, Stupid!” (not directed at you, Brian).
      The only path back to prosperity is a dramatic downsizing of Government. Yes, it would cause a lot of pain to those beneficiaries of Big Government largess, and to those laid-off Government workers. But to refuse that bitter medicine will only prolong the inevitable collapse which will cause all of us a lot of pain. Why shouldn’t that pain be directed at the people who caused our problems (Big Government)? I believe that a 1/3 downsizing (should be more) of Government would get us back on track within 2 years.
      Can we look to the Republicans for such? I doubt it. They are too busy trying to save people from themselves, save countries from themselves, and just plain feathering their own nests, to get the job done.
      The only political party with the cojones to get the job done is the Libertarian Party.

      • Denniso

        What a short memory you have…remember the Clinton yrs? Taxes were raised and the economy hummed. The budget produced a surplus as commonly defined.

        • http://GOGGLE vaksal

          TO Denniso,the clinton years,whoremongering womanizing scumbag,the selling off of america,s economy (nafta),selling off american soil,to the chinese the old port of long beach harbor,even when the pentagon told him it would leave the west coast open to a nuclear weapon attack,the anti-gun grabbing laws passed by this murderous thug from arkanas,ever read the reddi report.quite a thruthful doucument,it tells about you left wing trolls and the results in clintons case murder by numbers,Denniso i love it when people like you post,for it is such rubbish one can not help but think,that if all left wing communist were left to have to generate food or money for yourselfs,you would die off like the lemmings going over the cliffs,one after another yelling (NEW WORLD ORDER)if i remember the german nazis yelled the same thing (NEW WORLD ORDER) TOO,WHEN THE WORLD SPANKED THEIR BUTTS GOOD,PARDON,I SHOULD HAVE SAID,KICKED THEIR DIERE AIRS ALL OVER THE PLACE,and thats going to happen this year,vote tea party or the best canidate this year,no incumbants this year why? look at the mess these lifetime educated public employees made,real masters of the universe,what a joke,a government of denniso s and Hflashman,then what? THE GREAT BLACK HOLE where everything goes in that is good,and nothing comes out,it our choice this year,THE TEA PARTY WILL CLEAN GOVERNMENT OUT THIS YEAR,SO LIVE WITH IT.

          • http://GOGGLE vaksal

            P.S. Denniso the clintons even tryed to take the white house silverware and other odds and ends with them,when they lost the election,in his great leap forward,real honest folks? what a joke.DUMOCRATS AND RINO INCUMBANTS,A BUNCH OF DIRTBAGS AT BEST.BUT DENNISO JUST KEEP DRINKING THE KOOL-AID,MYSELF THE TEA IS BETTER STUFF,FOR ITS HOME MADE BREW,(REAL AMERICAN STUFF) ITS CALLED LIBERTY AND THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS,NOT THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO,I.E. (KOOL-AID).AND BYE BYE THIS ELECTION,THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT THEIR LIVES BACK.

      • Jeff

        Dave, I have to agree with you on the Libertarian Party and the quest for personal choices, less overnment. I want nothing more than a government which serves and respects “The People”, that’s not remotely what we have.

        The U.S. Supreme Court has confirmed that personal property
        (which includes one’s labor) is “inviolable”.

        “…the individuals’ Right to live and own property are natural rights for the enjoyment of which an excise cannot be imposed.”
        Corn v. Fort, 95 S.W.2d 620 (1936)

        “The property that every man has is his personal labor, as it is the
        original foundation of all other property so it is the most sacred and
        inviolable…to hinder his employing [it]…in what manner he thinks
        proper, without injury to his neighbor, is a plain violation of the most sacred property.” Butcher’s Union Co. v. Crescent City Co., 111 US 746 (1884)

        “Included in the right of personal liberty…is the right to make contracts for the acquisition of property. Chief among such contracts is that of personal employment, by which labor and other services are exchanged for money and other forms of property.”
        Coppage v. Kansas, 236 US 1 (1915)

        The time is near at hand which must determine
        whether Americans are to be free men or slaves”
        ~George Washington

        “Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and
        a people who mean to be their own governors
        must arm themselves with the power which
        knowledge gives.”
        ~James Madison

        “America will never be destroyed from the outside.
        If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because
        we destroyed ourselves.”
        ~ Abraham Lincoln

        “Whenever legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
        of the people…they put themselves into a state of war with the
        people….” — John Locke (1690)

        Thomas Jefferson incorporated Locke’s writings on personal liberty into the Declaration of Independence. Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence that we have the right to
        “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

        “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a
        Republican Form of Government…” United States Constitution,
        Article IV, Section 4

        “ Only the State(Federal Government)obtains its revenue by coercion.”
        ~ Murray Rothbard

        Those who believe in personal liberty want nothing from others
        – except that others do not infringe upon their rights, just as they will not infringe upon the rights of others. They want to live life within the dictates of their own conscience, restrained only by their obligation not to interfere with the equal rights of others.

        I want to recommend this website to get a clearer idea of the Feds limitations in regards to taxation.
        http://www.originalintent.org/edu/consttax.php

  • DaveH

    Could this book wake up the ignorant Liberals? Maybe, but first they need to remove their Zealotous Mask and then read the book:
    http://mises.org/daily/4710

  • DaveH

    I think that we are headed for a bout of inflation that will make the Carter years pale in comparison. Once it starts in earnest, only the strongest leaders can administer the necessary medicine to rein it in. Those leaders sure wouldn’t be Democrats. They would administer their usual disproven Keynesian pump-priming until our dollars are worthless. And I doubt that Republicans have the strength to cut the Government programs and rein in the money supply to contain the inflation. At least they have proven in the past that they don’t. I’m not talking about Reagan. He was a great president. But even the strongest leaders can’t carry the load alone. He had little help from his own Republican Congressmen.
    We need to put strong leaders in all branchs of Government, not just the Executive Branch.
    I believe only the Libertarians meet those qualifications.

    • Anthony

      Your assessment is pretty close…

      Check out the Forecaster of the Globe .. discussing the onset of hyperinflation – like what we’ve been reading about in BRAZIL, for the last two decades.

      http://www.trendsresearch.com/index.htm

  • Anthony

    1790: Mayer Amschel Rothschild states,

    “Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.”

    1811: The charter for the Rothschilds Bank of the United States runs out and Congress votes against its renewal. Nathan Mayer Rothschild is not amused and he states,

    “Either the application for renewal of the charter is granted, or the United States will find itself involved in a most disastrous war.”

    However the United States stands firm and the Charter is not renewed, which causes Nathan Mayer Rothschild to issue another threat,

    “Teach those impudent Americans a lesson. Bring them back to colonial status.”

    1812: Backed by Rothschild money, and Nathan Mayer Rothschild’s orders, the British declare war on the United States. The Rothschilds plan was to cause the United States to build up such a debt in fighting this war that they would have to surrender to the Rothschilds and allow the charter for the Rothschild owned First Bank of the United States to be renewed.

    — At the same time, The Rothschild Moneyed Interest is rangling with Napoleon and in 1815 complete a coup de’tat on the Bank of England…effectively taking over that Country and turing it into a Empire bent on taking over all of Europe thru Imperialism.

    1815, this is the year Nathan Mayer Rothschild makes his famous statement,

    “I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls Britain’s money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply.”

    Then, there’s this —

    1861: President Abraham Lincoln (16th President of the United States from 1860 till his assassination in 1865) approaches the big banks in New York to try to obtain loans to support the ongoing American civil war. As these large banks were heavily under the influence of the Rothschilds, they offer him a deal they know he cannot accept, 24% to 36% interest on all monies loaned.

    Lincoln is very angry about this high level of interest and so he prints his own debt free money and informs the public that this is now legal tender for both public and private debts.

    1862: By April $449,338,902 worth of Lincoln’s debt free money has been printed and distributed. He states of this,

    “We gave the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they ever had, their own paper money to pay their own debts.”

    That same year The Times of London publishes a story containing the following statement,

    “If that mischievous financial policy (Lincoln’s), which had its origin in the North American Republic, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without a debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce.
    It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of civilized governments of the world. The brains and the wealth of all countries will go to North America.
    That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.”

    ———————–

    NOW — you can believe whatever you please. That’s your business.

    The bottom line is this …. our Country has suffered the opposite of what Lincoln’s intention were in 1861. Certainly, if you check with American Economists, you will find inflation was run amok during teh Civil War – but it did forestall foreignors from taking over our currency for their own private profit, for another 50 years.

    If you had a choice – which side would you fight for?

    Our Consitution does not have a paragraph permitting Congress to outsource control of our own Currency. Nowhere does it say that.

    • Anthony

      The problem with Lincoln – was that he did not bellieve in State Sovereignty. Like Hamilton, he believed in the ultimate Federal Power over all U.S. business and institutions without fail.

      THAT’s why the Real Lincoln is not so highly admired.
      It’s a debate on whether a North U.S. and a South U.S. would have been a good thing. Certainly, having our continent split in half would ahve given the Rothschilds an easier target —- as it is, The Rockefeller’s and the JP Morgan’s were just as UN-american as anyone could ever be.

      • Jeff

        Anthony, if memory serves me there was a possible connection to Lincoln’s assassination and the Rothschilds.

        The theory is that Abraham Lincoln was killed as a result of his monetary policies. John Wilkes Booth would be seen as a ‘hired gun.’ In its simplest terms, the theory is that Lincoln needed money to finance the Civil War. He was offered loans at high interest rates by bankers in Europe led by the Rothschilds. Rather than accept the loans, Lincoln found other means to fund the war effort. More importantly, the British bankers opposed Lincoln’s protectionist policies. Some Englishmen in the 1860′s believed that “British free trade, industrial monopoly and human slavery travel together.” Lincoln’s policies after the Civil War would have destroyed the Rothschilds’ commodity speculations. After the war, Lincoln planned a mild Reconstruction policy which would have enabled a resumption of agriculture production. The Rothschilds were betting the other way on high prices caused by a tough Reconstruction policy toward the South. Lincoln was viewed as a threat to the established order of things, and he was assassinated as a result.
        Imagine this: The goal was to weaken the United States so the Rothschilds could takeover its economy.
        http://www.orwelltoday.com/readerlincolnmoney.shtml

        • Jeff

          ..also a link to the JFK assasination…
          TWO PRESIDENTS WHO DIED DEFYING THE ROTHSCHILDS-The Federal Reserve, called the Fed, and the principal owner of the Fed’s “Class A” stock is–you guessed it–the Rothschild family.

          President Kennedy pledged himself to what was the best for America and cared not how the greedy bankers of the Fed felt. JFK, like Lincoln in the 1860′s. dared to have the U. S. Treasury issue U. S. Dollars, not Federal Reserve notes, and placed them into circulation without paying interest to any bankers, just as spelled out in the U. S. Constitution
          Lincoln was killed for interfering with the money changers. Kennedy was slaughtered for interfering with the money changers.
          http://100777.com/jfk/who

      • Denniso

        Athony, w/o the Feds being the final power we would still have states
        w/ slavery…at the least we would have states denying civil rights to any minority they chose…blacks in particular.

  • Anthony
  • Anthony

    Everyone should go to LAROUCHEPAC DOT COM and search for the Article —>

    Money or Credit ? ….[dated August 26th, 2010]

  • eddie47d

    The unions protested against NAFTA and it was Newt Gingrich and the Republican Party who pushed for this measure. Clinton got snookered on that one and the union folks started loosing their jobs. One of the few things that will get America back on it’s feet is “made in America” jobs. We keep looking but they seem to be long gone. We have become a service nation and not a builder nation.The service industry caters to each other and the consumer so almost no goods are produced for trade. Our debt will grow and unemployment will remain high. Unless we start producing tangible goods instead of being consumers. You’re all fooling yourself unless you can come up with a new Bill Gates or someone with a new product that is sell-able in the world market. We need to encourage the inventors or slowly perish.

    • Denniso

      Virtually everyone,except the unions, was in favor of more global free trade as the only way to keep the economy moving…it’s still debatable whether it’s the right thing to do or not,since there are some successes that came along w/ it. The worst part is the generally lowering of wages for the working person and tha loss of manufacturing,but most people were on the bandwagon of the ‘new economy’ wherein we become a service and tech economy…clean jobs. The problems w/ free trade point out fundamental flaws in the supposed
      ‘free market’. Labor and manufacturing move to the lowest cot countries and we lose those jobs.

      I hadn’t thought of this, but why don’t the lovers of the ‘free market’ also trumpet NAFTA and all free trade agreements? Instead they
      blast the supporters of it like Clinton,Bush and others as traitors to this country. Where’s the consistency in their thought?

  • Denniso

    Joy….you’re right. I’ve thought about and studied the hardcore rightwing personality for decades and come to some conclusions. They don’t apply to the moderate and caring conservatives or Repubs.

    Fundamentally, they are primarily concerned w/ themselves and their immediate family. You get out of that sphere and their empathy shrinks down to almost nothing.

    They also are mostly concerned about their money and family’s security
    and all the national issues boil down to how much it will cost them personally.

    They’re not bad people, they just don’t have much empathy or sympathy
    for the country or world, and are against any policies that cost them money, except for the military.

    Where they go tragically wrong is in thinking they can insulate themselves and their families from a society that is dysfunctional and dangerous to everyone’s well being… by living behind gates,having guns for personal protection,being stingy and selfish w/ their money to the detriment of gov’t programs or taxes that try to lift up and improve everyone for everyone’s benefit. So, periodically, the society they want to starve of enough money to help kids born into terrible conditions and policies that can make all of society safer, bites them tragically w/ a daughter raped and killed, or a home invasion and murders, or a drunk driver killing their family.

    They never seem to learn the lesson that even they are affected by all of society and if our society is sick because we don’t attend to the illness,and that takes money, then they can also be adversely impacted by it.

  • http://n/a walter w

    WOW, wish I had checked my e-mail earlier to join this conservation…I’ve got a few things to say to those like denniso…ever wonder why the greatest advancements in medicine, industry, technology, and middle class wealth came about after the birth of the U.S.A? We didn’t have a superior gene pool, it isn’t because we are smarter than the rest of the world; we are the rest of the world; we are the germans, english, spainish,itialians,polls and everyone else. It is because of our form of governemnt…our free enterprise system and an unobstructive government; a government which allowed us to use our natural abilities to their fullest potential. We didn’t have to wory about being forced to be a goat herder JUST BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT DAD DID…we were allowed to follow our interests, our passions, and our dreams. What has and SHOULD always seperate us from the rest of the world is our belief that all people have the ability to provide for themselves, and baring some physical or mental handicap, should be expected to do so. That is not to say that there is no need for some common sense governemnt regulation, or some sembalance of a social safty net, because there most certainly is…it is what civilized people do…help those who can not help themselves…the problem is that liberals and progressives continue to expand the catagories, and by playing on the age old emotion of envy, they have sucessfully convinced most of our non white population they can not provide for themselves due to some wrong done unto them by the affluent, and by augmenting the idiology of entitlments have convinced the same that only the government can help them obtain that to which they are entitled. The problem is this country was founded on the idiology that no one is entitled to anything…everything is earned through hard work, everything is a reward one provides for ones self through effort, not social programs, and the more effort put forth the greater the reward, and that is the true greatness that the USA has lost…the belief by each of us, that left to ourselves, we have the ability to succeed.

  • http://arts otes

    pls help me money

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