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It’s Not Me; It’s You

September 25, 2012 by  

It’s Not Me; It’s You
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Dear Democratic Party,

I wish it didn’t have to be this way, but you just haven’t left me with any other choice. We’ve been together for decades now — since the days of President Roosevelt (the “New Deal” one, not the “Man in the Arena” one), if not earlier. I’ve put up with your madness because I wanted to make it work. After all, we do share a home. But this just isn’t working out anymore. And I just wanted to let you know why.

The money is a real problem. I work hard to keep us afloat; yet I can’t seem to make enough to satisfy you. And the things on which you spend my hard-earned dough really don’t work for me. It’s bad enough that you spend my cash like a high-school girl who got ahold of Daddy’s American Express Gold Card, but your spending habits don’t even make sense. Obamacare? So now, not only do I have to cover your doctor’s bills, but the IRS is going to break down the front door if I refuse? And after all that, some stuffed suit from the Department of Health and Human Services is going to means-test my viability? I’m sorry, honey; that doesn’t work for me.

And your pal Bernanke and his “quantitative easing” are making the cash I do earn worth less than the commemorative copies of those Michael Moore DVDs you keep buying. Also: Have you ever considered staying at a regular hotel? You know the Holiday Inn Express may not offer the same high-thread-count sheets as the Four Seasons, but it does have a nice breakfast buffet — and there’s a rumor that staying there can boost your brainpower a bit. You should consider that. And there are perfectly fashionable clothes out there that don’t cost as much as the rest of us make in a month. Some of them even fit — a tip you should share with your BFF, Michelle Obama.

I’m also not comfortable with some of the people with whom you hang out. That Barry Obama guy is a perfect example. He’s never held down a real job in his life, and you think he’s the guy to lead private enterprise back to prosperity? Have you even listened to this guy read a teleprompter? I’ve heard more sense on “The View.” He actually believes in something he calls “redistribution” and the rest of us call “theft.” I can dig your affinity for the whole “retro” thing, but why can’t you just hearken back to the 1980s instead of the 1880s? For someone who pretends to call herself “progressive,” you’re about as forward-looking as the AFL-CIO.

And we need to talk about those clowns, too. Union thugs are not simply bad news, doll. They’re bad guys. I know they seem like fun, but people who cross them have a tendency to meet severe fates. Look at what happened to those old folks who protested Obamacare. For that matter, look at what happened to General Motors. For that matter, look at what happened to Jimmy Hoffa — and he was one of their guys.

The union thugs aren’t even the heaviest hitters around. I know none of your little pals like to talk about it, but that Eric Holder is some piece of work. He’s the top law enforcement official in the United States, and he perjured himself in front of Congress as easily as Obama skips national security briefings to play 18 at Congressional. You really ought to think about the effect an association with a man who thinks engineering and then covering up the murder a Federal agent can have on your reputation.

Then, there are those gals from Planned Parenthood. As I told you before, if you want to vacuum babies out of your uterus, you’re welcome to it. But I can’t be a part of that. I don’t glean any joy from upsetting you; but I’d rather risk your wrath than His, if you get my drift.

And, baby, the fact that you’ll let someone like Joe Biden anywhere near you freaks me out. This is the guy you’re comfortable allowing within one heartbeat of “The Button,” and I’m not convinced he can spell either “heartbeat” or “button.” I’m actually not even convinced he can spell “the.” I’m willing to admit he can be somewhat entertaining, but so can the better Vegas floor shows. And no one thinks the girls with the small clothing and the fans should be one office down from nuclear Armageddon.

I won’t even get into those sock puppets at the Democrat Channel (MSNBC) and the rest of the corporate media flunkies you listen to. The right has some borderline personalities of their own, but your “news” sources are about as informative as those late-night infomercials. Honey, Chris Matthews is absolutely certifiable. Between Chrissie and the rest of the Obama Protection League claiming everything anyone says is racist, we’re all going to end up with a smaller vocabulary than one of those so-called “Occupy” fleabags after a turn in the “hemp tent.”

You also really don’t do well with our neighbors. If someone tries to burn down the house, you don’t give him my money and hope that encourages him to find a new hobby. And you certainly don’t blame me for his lack of compunction. Likewise, blaming our friendlier neighbors because the hoodlums down the street can’t behave themselves is poor form.

We’ve had some good times, baby. But we’ve clearly grown apart. I believe in freedom, justice and American exceptionalism; and you’re a Democrat. It’s time we see other people. I’m going to stay here, since I paid for the place. You should check out some places where the folks share your interests. I’m thinking North Korea. I wish I could say “it’s not you; it’s me;” but I really can’t. It isn’t me; it’s really you.

Good luck,

Ben

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • KG

    Dear Republican Party,

    I know we have been together for a long time. But something has changed. I remember when Eisenhower, a true Patriot, fought hard for everyday people. When I got my Union job, it was OK because I was building the missiles that defended America during the Cold War. And since I made a decent wage, I was able to provide for my family. I was even able to buy a house – while it was only about 800 square feet, it protected my family.

    But something has changed. It seems as though you have forgotten about me. I know I don’t have a lot of money, but I still need a couple of things. My kids would like to go to school. And the roads I travel on to work are getting kinda old. I know we have to defend freedom around the world, but I guess it’s actually the freedom of Exxon, Shell, Haliburton and Wal-mart is all you care about.

    I don’t like Abortion, but after almost 40 years you think you would have actually done something about that. But it seems as though you have just used that issue to get votes. I’m sorry, but now I realize that issue has more to do with economics than morality.

    I’m sorry. But I need to look to the future, not the past.
    An American

    • Warrior

      http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/markets/item/11621-is-general-motors-now-china-motors

      Here’s a fine example of what you’re leader’s are doing. When you get to china, komrade, tells us if they’re still generating 50 hertz.

      BTW, did you happen to see the polls where the blue bias is removed? Sorry to inform you but this is going to be a route.

      • FreedomFighter

        Dear Progressive Liberal Commi Scumbags,

        You should check out some places where the folks share your interests. I’m thinking North Korea. I wish I could say “it’s not you; it’s me;” but I really can’t. It isn’t me; it’s really you.

        Sincerly

        The American People

      • Kate8

        While I love this article and feel much the same way, I wonder how many conservatives have actually taken the time to hear what the Left says about us. It’s shocking.

        Even on these threads, the Lefties say the most outrageous things. Like how we want to end social security and throw our grannies to the wolves, how we hate kids and like poisoning food and water in the name of industry. How we hate gays, moms, the poor, the environment, and everything else they use to promote their victim ideology.

        Is there anything wrong with tossing around some NEW ideas, that might work better for everyone? Sometimes the way things have always been has proven inefficient and even gotten out of hand, and it’s worth looking at some new approaches. It does not mean that anyone gets thrown to the wolves.

        The Leftist leadership outright LIES about the right in order to propagandize and garner votes. And, I suspect, a lot of lies are coming out of the Right, too. Keeping up the fight is the name of the game and, while we are squabbling, THEY are are tearing down the very foundation of our society.

        What if we stopped listening to THEM, and had a heart to heart? You know, see if there is any common ground upon which we could build a relationship. If not a marriage, at least be able to live in the same country. But this can’t happen as long as the in-laws (out-laws) are allowed to interfere.

        I know, it’s hard because we don’t speak the same language. But that is because our minds are wired differently. I say one thing, you hear another. We live in altogether different paradigms…. But could we both subscribe to, perhaps, a new paradigm, where we stop listening to those with a whole ‘nother agenda that actually excludes US and come up with something that works for us both? And the family, too.

        Well, maybe not. But it’s at least worth thinking about.

      • nc

        Warrior, I just saw an article on a poll that says Obama if leading in 9 our of 10 key states. If that is half way right it will not be rout for the repugnuts. You are watching too much faux noise! Remember “sweep” hannity predicting the Republicans ‘sweep’ in 2006??? Yeah , fight!! He missed by a mile!

        What ever the ills of America are it does seem that a majority of Americans see Romney/Ryan policy as the cure! Wonder why?? Ronmey can’t seem to decide what it is he believes!!!He is the only person I know who has been on both sides of the “Is chocolate good” question???

        Having you and Crystal on the other side is quite comforting!

      • KG

        Matthew 26:52

        King James Version (KJV)

        52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, gotta agree with you.

        nc…you’re just a product of Bob’s column from yesterday.
        Monkey see, monkey do!

      • KG

        Warrior -
        What you see in China is what the Republicans and their sycophants dream of doing in America. A “slave society” where workers grind away for the pleasure of those at the top. China is the PERFECT example of Republican/Libertarian/Religious Right government.

      • JeffH

        KG, whoever is paying you to be here deserves a refund!

        Polly want a cracker? baaarrraaaccckkkk!

      • Gordon

        I actually know some obama supporters. I actually know some democrats. One actually was the head of the party for the whole state, now just for his county. When asking these people about o’s history and politics, health care, etc….. their usual answer is “he’s the leader of our party”. There is NO logic in yellow-dog-democrats. They are like the Terminator in the original movie. They can’t be negotiated with, they can’t be appeased, they can’t be killed. They will continue on their assigned quest until it is done. period.

      • Proud to be a Believer

        Population control. First you start with the muslims who have more than one wife and are supposed to put forth 10 children from each wife, that is why they populate so fast an area that they move into. Doesn’t take long with 40 children and usually those 40 children are on welfare of some kind because papa cannot afford them and mama is not allowed to work because she has to take care of the fold.

      • Meterorlady

        KC – so please if you will, without insulting comments and name calling, answer me a couple questions:

        American people have borrowed, and still owe our creditors, more than $15 trillion dollars. Which is more than any nation IN THE WORLD has ever borrowed. It’s more than ALL the bankrupt European countries currently owe. It’s 5 times what the government brings in in tax revenues each year. We are currently spending $2.4 trillion in transfer payments and interest on the debt. That doesn’t include any other functions of our government. Meanwhile, we’re only collecting $2.3 trillion a year in income, payroll and corporate taxes.

        We are adding $1.5 trillion per year to the DEBT which equates to .$43 on every dollar. Our average annual deficit from 2000 to 2008 was $190 BILLION, but since 2008 our annual deficits have been $1.3 TRILLION. We have had no budget since Bush refused to sign the last Democratic budget before he left office.

        So how do you purpose we pay this off or pass a balanced budget amendment?

        How long do you think it will be before we can no longer pay the interest on the loan?

        In the past three years, the U.S. monetary base—which is defined as the sum of currency (including coin) in circulation outside Federal Reserve Banks and the U.S. Treasury, plus deposits held by depository institutions at Federal Reserve Banks—has tripled. They don’t actually print the money they buy bond and treasuries (they buy our DEBT) with money created out of thin air.

        Obama and the rest of the big spenders will tell you that the deficit doesn’t really matter all the while they are devaluing the dollars we hold. It’s called inflation and it hurts middle and low income people and those with savings the most.

        So since the Democrats gained control of congress in 2006 our government has been binging on “free money” and your dollar is worth about 21% less than it was in 2008.

        So do you really believe that the Democrats have your best interest at heart?

        There are 30 jobs bills currently in congress and every single one of them is held in the Senate by DEMOCRATIC leader Harry Reid who believes that they should not have to make hard decisions in and election year.

        Is this really the type of leadership you want for your country?

      • KG

        What’s supposed to happen is people go back to work and pay taxes. When we have a functioning economic system, only then can we even think about cutting spending. Would you rather have “tax and hold?”

        Look at our spending during WW2. It was through the roof! almost at 120% of GDP. So, how did we get out of that mess? Well, for starters, after the war, government spending DID NOT decline due to the Russian threat. However, our unemployment rate was still low, so lots of people were paying taxes allowing the government to actually pay off the WW2 debt.

        How could Johnson fight the Vietnam war AND go to the moon AND end his presidency with a SURPLUS?

        We have been fighting TWO UNFUNDED WARS and giving drugs to old people to keep them voting Republican.

        Obama is right when he says “…we just have a fundamentally different view of the world.” My world includes liberty and justice for all, while your view gives liberty and justice to land owing white Christians.

      • JeffH

        KG, it did take you a while but you finally got your real “racist” views out…”land owing{owning?}white Christians”

        It’s very obvious that you don’t have a clue about real “liberty & justice”…but you’re very much in tune with Obama’s ideology of fundamental change and “social justice”…Marxism/communism/facsism/socialism/progressivism.

    • tony

      KG your future is plagued with supply shortages if you continue to support the Democrats in their quest for ZERO Population Growth worldwide

      • randall

        we have been played, there is not any difference between republicans & democrates, the clear winner of nov election is Goldmen Sach, the global elitest bank that supports both parties and canidates. the only way out of this mess is to become self-relient, grow your own food, get out of debt, learn what wild plants are edible (weeds), stop supporting your master and he will go away

      • Frank Mlinar

        Actually the population is too high now. We need a birth rate below ZPG.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        frank milnar, how do you suggest the population is brought down to manageable levels? Sneaky of you to work side by side with the likes of Population Control groups across the world and coming on this site to con.

      • SarahR

        The two parties have been run by the NWO Globalists for fifty years. GldmanSachs and the Rothschilds are all a part of the Global takeover. They are not going to just go away. We The People have to find a way to get rid of them. Here’s a thought. Why don’t we all just go on the dole? They’ll run out of money taking care of us. The problem with Socialism is they eventually run out of other’s people money.

        • tony

          Running out of money will mean we have ran out of food supply and that ends in concentration camps and genocide we have history to tell us this truth .

      • Frank Mlinar

        Tony and all others: The Earth can only support a limited number of people before silly things like lack of resources cause a problem. It seems to me that we should live within our resources, and that means population growth has to stop sometime. In my opinion that should have already happened.
        Nadzieja Batki: How to control the population? Education, less heated rhetoric, and acceptance that we do not live in an unlimited world.

      • Wil

        So,Frank,when are you commies that think the population is too high going to set the example and take yourselves out of it?Or would that be too much like spending your own money on the things you want?
        Typical lefties,always expecting somebody else to suffer or pay the way for their ideals.

      • Kate8

        Frank – that over-population thing is a myth propagated by people who want to rule the world and need fewer people for better control. THEY want all of the prime real estate for themselves, and that mean WE have to exit.

        In truth, only a small percentage of land is populated. People are herded into cities, and it looks like too many people that way.

        And, as someone stated, America’s population (especially in the denser states) is due almost entirely to immigration. Had we not flung open the floodgates, we’d still be in a fairly wildland country. Even as it is, much of America is open land.

        In addition, starving people is not the answer. It’s already well-known that the more prosperous people are, the fewer children they produce. If you think reducing the population is such a great idea, I invite you to volunteer yourself and your family to be the first to check out.

        Technologies already exist to provide free energy sources, abundant food supplies and healing technologies far beyond what is foisted on us. They have kept these things hidden in order to keep control of the wealth and the power.

        The PTB are already killing off the people in Africa and other third world areas with diseases and famine. The rest of us are being poisoned by air, water, phude, radiation and “medicines”. What they are creating is a toxic planet unfit for any life. I guess they have something in mind to correct this when we’re gone… I don’t know. Hopefully, there is cosmic justice and they will kill themselves, as well. No doubt Mother Earth has her own preservation methods.

      • Meterorlady

        Kate8 – one of the major reason for our lack of jobs is that our population is growing faster than our jobs creation. That could change if we revised our immigration laws like Canada and some other countries. They only take people that can support themselves and that have something to contribute.

        We, on the other hand, have been importing poor, under-educated and uneducated immigrants for years who consistently have more children than they can afford and are mostly on the public dole in some for or another.

      • Kate8

        Meteorlady – You are right. And this has all been done for the purpose of our ultimate destruction. We, too used to only allow people who were culturally compatible and able to contribute. The third world influx was part of the bankrupting, degradation and division of our nation.

        We’d have jobs if Americans were allowed to be innovative and create businesses without excessive government regulation, as it once was. Now, those who have had enough success and can afford it, go to China and places where the regulation is minimal. This, too was intentional, as businesses were given incentives to move overseas.

        Anyone else is penalized for being innovative, and it’s nearly impossible to build a business in today’s economic climate. What they want is for us to SUFFER unto death.

        Yes, this is planned destruction of America, and Obama is paying lip service to “job creation” while he continues to put people out of work. He’s just following the plan which those before him have brought to this point, and his job is to sound the death knell.

        RIP, America.

      • Miki

        Avery likely solution to the country’s financial problems is to eliminate all of the federal agencies that are NOT authorized in Article 1, Section 8, of the Constitution. Along with them remove all of their “regulations that are enforced as if they are LAW.” This must include all government give-aways that are not authorized by the Constitution. Congressional give-aways, which are only “vote buying” must be included in the termination.

        AS almost all of the agencies that would be affected were only a federal theft of state agencies that still existed, this should be much less disruptive than it will be portrayed by the liberal socialist press in both print and other media.

    • Amy

      KG, now YOU have spoken the truth, unlike the idiot that wrote this article. The entire piece is one lie after another, exactly the same [expletive deleted] the rethuglican’ts have been spewing since even BEFORE that senile ronnie raygun’s “trickle-down” stupidity. Can’t truly hate raygun, he wasn’t responsible for himself anymore, which is why he was placed in the presidency. The rest of the evil cabal knew he would say anything they told him to say because he was no longer in his mind. The repubs have continued to spew their lies, and they are gutting and re-writing school books in order to dumb down the population so they can wreak their havoc without being called on the lies and theft.

      • Robert Robbins

        Bet u r 1 of the dumb ass school teachers.

      • Vic

        Dear Amy, real estate in N.Korea is really cheap. Plus all that you hold dear is enforced there. I knew this will sound attractive to you.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Ignorance is bliss, eh, Amy/

      • Steve E

        The dumbing down of the population is done by the Democrat party. Everyone know that.

      • Chester

        Vic, you seem so sure of the value of real estate in North Korea, and the fact that it is only going to go up in value, so why don’t you move there, where everybody is expected to have the same ideas, and follow the PARTY line? Your GOP is no longer so grand, but it IS old, and IS a party. no wonder so many of the youngsters are walking away from it. I haven’t heard a NEW idea since Ronnie, and most of the ideas he had as president, he had kicked up and fleshed out as governor. All I hear from the Republicans is cut welfare, make social security a welfare program, then cut it. Cut, cut, cut anything that will actually benefit anyone other than the rich and famous, then make sure they have to pay for nothing they use.

      • Patriot1776

        Chester, you don’t like the “old ideas” of capitalism, freedom, self-reliance and democracy? I know they aren’t as attractive to the entitlement crowd as the “New Deal”, socialism and facism, but at least in our way, the average man has an opportunity to be successful if he is willing to work and take risks. With your way, it depends on your relationship with “der furer” as to what future you are granted. I like the America that our Forefathers envisioned.

      • old hillbilly

        Chester – it’s called work, work, work… hands & body in motion, mouth shut, eyes & ears open, no fece on the lettuce… & you won’t have elect a crook to steal for you.

        If everyone was a democrap, there wouldn’t be anything left to steal. That’s when your leaders discover things aren’t working & it’s time tighten the noose – put those who can’t work out of their misery, psychopaths to the enforcement platoons, & hinnies high, thumbs in the mud, & no time for whoopee with the one in front for everyone else! Survival of the fittest & genetically engineered workers who can stand a lot of feces in the lettuce and life!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Books that are in the school systems across the country are not written by Republicans. Are you wishing that people on PLD don’t know what is going on or won’t check?

      • Kay

        Amy, I am not a republican, because I find them to be as arrogant, controlling and as anti-American as the democrats, so please don’t go there. I am an American and I abhor the agenda that both parties are forcing on “we the people”. I would greatly appreciate some support from you and your associates in the fight against those who are pushing our constitution, freedoms and liberties out of the picture. Believe me, its both parties along with the shadow commie elites who who want everything we have earned and possess , so its a situation of stick together or die. You know, it doesn’t matter if you are rich, poor, middle class, protestant, catholic, mormon, feminist, gay, straight, black, white, pro-life or not, because they are after ALL OF US. They only respect the environment (only for their pleasure), wealth, power, control and DE-POPULATION. Figured the last one might get your attention, so forgive the caps, but surely take note. As the old saying goes, “there’s safety in numbers”.All I ask is that you just be an American and hold dear the principles that allow you to spew trash on this website.

      • Joseph Mariom

        You sound like a demoncrat

      • http://alsina846.wordpress.com millie

        To amy, you are another stupid person, who will help this scum bag president destroy our country. you should crawl back to the hole you came out of

      • Wil

        Amy,ever hear of the psychological term ‘projection’?I’d bet you have,as you and KG have it down to a T.

      • Gordon

        So Amy, Reagan was old and senile. What does that make Obama? An arab-muslim- commie soros-puppet?

      • Kate8

        Kay – Now that is the most honest and truthful thing said on this whole thread.

        That is the bottom line now, isn’t it.

      • JeffH

        Kay, very well said! :)

      • Carol J

        And just where did you come up with this, Amy? Out of your own confused head? President Reagan still had his intelligence and memory during his term in office. He was not diagnosed with Alzheimers until 5 years after his presidency ended. Better get your facts straight before opening your mouth and showing your ignorance.

      • eddie47d

        Nadzieja: Most educational books (school) are written up and published in your home state of Conservative Texas. For you to not know that might be a reason we need population control.

      • Meterorlady

        Amy – I suggest that you state some facts instead of insulting. What exactly is wrong with the article? You can’t come up with anything intelligent to dispute the article so why bother to answer?

      • hdx2

        Amy, opinions are not facts. You need to do a heck of a lot of UNBIASED research. Or just go back to the Occupy meetings.

    • http://charter jo smith

      You need to adress that letter to the dem.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Well put KG. I would submit a P. S. to your letter to the Republican Party;

      I don’t know why, after I pay my premiums every month to the insurance company, you want to again allow them to deny me coverage for a pre-existing condition AND kick my 23 year old son off my coverage.

      • Barb L

        Doc, Thank YOU!!! You have just shown everyone on this site what is wrong with the triple D Democrats! Your 23 year old son should be working by now and have his own insurance, sorry but they have to grow up sometime! God help us with these people who think the Government has to take care of them and never take responsibility for themselves, in other words DEMOCRATS! Republicans GO OUT and vote in November!

      • Capitalist at Birth

        You should pay the appropriate rate to add your son to your policy. What is wrong with your paying the rate appropriate for your preexisting condition? When you have a poor driving record with maybe a D.U.I. or something else, do you not pay higher premiums? You want a free ride on the backs of others I guess. Eh Doc?

      • Steve E

        People who depend on government for their needs are weak minded and have characteristics of that of a subhuman.

      • SarahR

        Doc, If or when Obamacare kicks in there are so many people on welfare, medicaid and unemployment just whom do you think will be paying for Obamacare? The vast middle class. I shouldn’t say vast because its’ getting smaller and smaller. The smaller it gets the more each of us have to pay. If you don’t pay the IRS comes for you. If you don’t pay the tax then the fee for not paying will increase each year that you don’t pay. The price of Obamacare will increase each year. Watch how much your taxes are going to go up with Obamatax. This will be the greatest increase on taxes in American history. Didn’t your mother tell you nothing in life is free. Someone has to pay.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Well I don’t have a 23 year old son. But 23 year olds often have entry level positions with small firms that do not offer benefits or pay enough to purchase insurance.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Capitalist at Birth
        Insurance companies charge huge amounts (unlimited?) to get insurance when you have a pre-existing condition. Only the well off can afford care in that world. Oh, that’s right. That is what you are going for – no care unless you are well off.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Steve E
        ALLLLLL of us depend on the government for various things.

      • Chester

        Capitalist at Birth, exactly what IS the appropriate rate for someone with diabetes, or heart disease, or even epilepsy? All of those conditions are grounds for, not charging and exorbitant premium, but denying any coverage at all. Go in and talk to an insurance agent and tell him you have had a heart attack before he quotes you a price and see how fast he says sorry, can’t help you. As far as that 23 year old child still at home, might ask why he is there before saying he should be working and have his own insurance.

      • SarahR

        Doc. Romney says he will keep some things that he likes about Obamacare. One is pre-existing conditions and keeping children covered until 26 years of age. Romney/Ryan will rework SS so that it will exist for other generations. If Obama continues on his path, there will be no SS. I said no SS, zero, zilch.

      • Doc Sarvis

        SarahR
        The middle class is shrinking because the top 1% is concentrating the wealth into their pockets – less money to go around for the workers.

        • tony

          Doc it was Clinton that signed the most unfair trade Policy ever to have took our self reliance and wealth creation away since Reagan and The Republican Leadership was first opposed to it then changed so they got bought off by those in China that Clinton was buddies with , all need to be jailed for treason against the USA . Its was the end of GATT that wiped our small business out , and they all were involved with not enforcing the free floating currency rule too that continued to out source our Tool and Die manufacturing to the point of Total Dependency on foreign parts suppliers that now are calling for an end to our Dollar as trade currency since WW 2 . This is a Failure to uphold the sovereignty of the Dollar and the citizens who depend on its solvency to prosper and create their needs !!!!!

      • Doc Sarvis

        SarahR
        Romney has been all over the map on what he says he will do with Obama/Romney care. Ultamately, he will do what will further concentrate the wealth to the top 1%.

      • patriot

        23 year old son? Exactly when do you expect him to grow up and get a job?

      • Doc Sarvis

        He may have a job (low paying with no benefits) or he may be in school (I don’t have a son myself/or a 23 year old – but others do). This young adult may also have serious health issues.

      • old hillbilly

        doc – wean the kid – throw his worthless butt out & he might get hungry enough to work instead of mootch. Send him to Cuba!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        By your comment, you say you have a 23 year old son. So which lie do you want to stand behind.

      • sporty12

        Doc: I have worked since I was 13 yrs. old, paper route, got up @ 6 am delivered papers came home, ate, took a shower and went to school. Worked part time at the school as a janitor when I received my working papers @ 15. When I turned 16 I also worked @ the school full time during the summer and graduated when I was 17. worked at school full time. When I turned 19 I came off my Dad,s health insurance, got a job at a metal fabricating shop sweeping floors and grinding metal and paid for my own health insurance. Worked at several jobs, got married had a child and went to school full time and received my RN Degree. Worked for 30 years, paid into the system since I was 18 and I am now totaly and permanently Disabled unfortunately because I loved my JOB. I collect SSD and my own private Disability that I paid into for years. This is how it is supposed to work. So maybe your 23 year old could go find a job, any job and contribute to his day to day living and maybe even contribute to your houshold and learn a little responsibility. You and tons, of other people probably think this is harsh. But, that is how it works in this country and I want it to stay that way. Not become a Nation of 3rd world wussies!

      • Steve E

        I don’t depend on government on any level of redistribution of wealth. Nor should anyone. Go humble yourself to a charity if you need something.

      • Doc Sarvis

        sporty12,
        And maybe this 23 year old (again, I don’t have one but other’s do) can’t get a job (like many in this economy) or the job they get pays little and does not provide any health care benefits. Looks like things worked out fine for you and that’s great. That IS how it is supposed to work as you said. That is NOT how it always works especially now. Health insurance is very expensive, jobs are scarce, money is being concentrated at an unprecidented rate at the top 1% of the population.

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Doc Sarvis,

          You write: “Health insurance is very expensive…” And why is it very expensive? Government meddling. http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/HealthInsurance.html And more government meddling through Obamacare will not fix it.

          Government (the true 1%) is also why jobs are scarce.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • http://alsina846.wordpress.com millie

        To Doc, well put my ASS, idiot, you are only concern for yourself, when this so called president is through with our country, we will all have the worst healthcare for this nation, just like these third world countries, I bet your ASS on it, just wait and see stupid!!!!. It is people like you that will help this communist dictator obama scum bag kill our country, MORON!!!

      • momo

        @Doc Sarvis, if you really want to be healthy:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jRKfAvwg0s

      • Gordon

        Jobs? 50 years ago when the first Jap radios were coming into the USA, Grandpa said “If we don’t watch out, someday all our stuff will be made by all those little gooks and we’ll be sitting here on welfare buying their crap.” Gramps was a prophet.

      • JeffH

        Doc says “Well I don’t have a 23 year old son. But 23 year olds often have entry level positions with small firms that do not offer benefits or pay enough to purchase insurance.”

        Hmmmm, what’s wrong with that picture?

        1. entry level position? Isn’t that pretty much how working life begins…at the bottom…you don’t start at the top, you work your way to the top! Key word: “work”.

        2. Benefits are part of the “perks” offered by all companies, big and small. Benefits and high pay is not a requirement and if a company doesn’t offer benefits and high pay, one always has the choice to not work there. Key word: “choice”

        It would be nice if the world was perfect and peacefull too…but it ain’t and that’s just the way it is.

      • Wil

        Well just think,Doc,under Obamacare,your 23-year-olds will be hit with a “tax” that they can’t afford,right along with the rest of the working poor.

      • vicki

        Doc Sarvis says:
        “Insurance companies charge huge amounts (unlimited?) to get insurance when you have a pre-existing condition. Only the well off can afford care in that world. Oh, that’s right. That is what you are going for – no care unless you are well off.”

        Here is the problem with the debate on health care. The Democrats keep using the tactic of talking about care and insurance at the same time.

        Whenever they do that point out that they are LYING.

        Doc stick to the discussion on either insurance or care. We will not discuss them as though they are the same thing.

        Now if you want to discuss the effect of insurance on the price of care then we can have THAT discussion but it will be a long one cause so few people understand simple economics let alone the effects of Crony Capitalism.

      • Dead Right

        Do some research.
        The federal government is the number one denier of healthcare. Far more than the private insurance companies. Almost twice as many claims denied by percentage as private ins. You think ACA is going to pay for you and your son, Ha! Tricked again. You will be paying way more for ACA than you ever dreamed of and good luck convincing some government DMV shlub to make good on your needed care. At least in the private sector you can bring suit, change companies etc.

        • Nancy

          D.R. is absolutely correct. I have worked (physical ther) for 38 years and there are more Medicare denials than private insurance. And the past year and a half, the Medicare people have been cutting payment to many more PT and skilled hursing visits. It will be worse next year no matter who is elected, already set up. Years ago I could see someone 3 X week up to 2 months, now the same case is more like 5 or 6 visits. And they’re talking about a huge copayment (Medicare) for every home care admission in the near future. Medicaid for home health care for home health care has been drastically cut, too, in New York ( Andrew Cuomo Dem). They have to cut, they added millons of more people to Medicaid so there’s less funding for each.
          Most people forgot it was Ted Kennedy who was the big champion of HMO’s.

      • hdx2

        So, after reading some of the comments here it all boils down to this, someone needs to pay for my hardships in life but it shouldn’t be me! Is that what this is about? I am not responsible, I am not accountable for my life or my situations. Everyone else is.

        Too many people today are not responsible for their own lives. They want to make life harder for their neighbors so they can make life easier for themselves.

        • deerinwater

          It comes down to this . you are still not getting it ~ because everyone is being asked to pay and why some are so put out ~ they don’t like being told to do anything.

        • deerinwater

          And another point of contention is not being raised or considered. ~ I hear this “GET A JOB! get a job, get a job! until I’m sick of it. American today is a place that you can have three jobs and drive to the “Poor House”

          That today the American people live in a nation of free enterprise and can create a job for themselves and for others if they chose ~ but what do they do? ~ look for someone to give them a job!

          Perhaps this dysfunctional mind set was created in part because at one time America had companies like Ford motor company that realized they had to invest in their employees and complete with other employers for a labor force ~ It was from this dynamics of labor / employer that underwriter of heath care worked from. ~ It was these same dynamics that allowed the federal government to offer incentives and subsidies heath care premiums .

          THIS HAS ALL SHIFTED, THE DYNAMICS HAS CHANGED, on many levels . That many of you refused to take these changes of American companies shift of priorities and demands into account is being nothing less the obtuse and obstinate.

          1. supply & demand forces now great favor employers.
          2. employers have learned how to skirt rules and regulations.
          3. many employers are not require to offer employs insurance at all.
          4. they can and will skirt workman compensation laws as well.
          5. they have learned to skirt the Jones Act as well.
          6. our youth now spend long time in the nest ~ as the expense to move on on their own has sky rocketed since we were children.
          7. Henry Ford understood that his work force was consumers of his product and had to pay them accordingly. While today, most of America’s consumer good are imported.

          I could go on an on with these “Changes” that have rendered an old way of offering and underwriting and providing medical care as greatly changed in the last 30 years and why changes must be made to offset these market changes.

          Until these recent changes, as a small independent contractor I could not even buy health care coverage, ~ I was too small for them to worry with the paper work. ~ My size and age, I was seen as part of the market they did not want to bother with and was not required too.

          It good that I am a healthy man and all my dependents have left the nest years ago but how many other Americans have been in this same boat, ~ denied coverage?

        • deerinwater

          This conservative view point is little more the enslaved minds thinking like a house black. ~ “Somebody needs to give us a job!” ~ disgusting!

          “When did a poor man give you a job?”

          When did a rich man give me a job worth having?

          No don’t get me wrong, ~ it was a “Just Right Job” ~ if it had being any better, ~ the rich man would have done it himself and if it been any worse,. I would not have wanted it.

    • Mike11C

      It seems that you fall a little closer to the center than the people this letter was aimed at KG.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Is this the left wing nut day in here. Has this site been invaded by dis-information specialists/

      • SarahR

        Doc. What do you have against the rich? Did a poor person ever give you a job? The rich create jobs. We’re in this mess because of Obama. All the rules and regulations he has and is placing on businesses. He wants European Socialism to come to America. He wants to bring us down to the level of Spain/Greece. If this is what you want(European/Socialism)then go live there. I hear Spain is beautiful this time of year.

      • Doc Sarvis

        The rich do create some jobs, they also export a lot of them to other countries (ask Ritt Momney). Most of our jobs are from the middle class which is being squeezed by not having the financial resources available that they used to. This is because more and more of our wealth is being concentrated in the top 1%. I don’t have anything against the wealthy but I am against the wealthy buying the politicians to make the rules that favor themselves over our country and the majority of America’s workers.

      • Gordon

        Doc, over the last 80 years, which middle class persons created jobs? beyond starting a small service business for themselves? Since 1900, 96% of the jobs were created by big business investing millions in infrastructure to MAKE something. Now we don’t make much, its all made out of the USA. Sure businesses moved, because our socialist government insisted on sucking all their money into the tax-welfare-gov employee system. Government kills manufacturing…… except for the war machine.

      • vicki

        Doc Sarvis says:
        “The rich do create some jobs, they also export a lot of them to other countries…”

        I seem to remember progressives whining that we were not doing enough to bring jobs to third world countries and now you are complaining because we did?

        There is just no working with you guys.

      • eddie47d

        No it must be the Capitalist nut day which you developed at birth!

    • WILDFIRE

      Dear Democratic Party

      Since you had gotten your union job and making what you felt was a decent wage while your union bosses were making a killing of you (literally), A decent wage worthy of affording you to a buy a 800 sq ft home, in the meantime while you was shelling out part of your “decent wage” to the union bosses to help them purchase their million dollar mansions, I was working jobs by which I was making a decent wage and I didn’t have to shell out to union bosses rather I was able to put that money into savings account and investments by which allowed me purchase a 2200 sq ft home to provide for my family.

      I know it is standard for you to say one thing in one breathe then something completely different in the other. Such as in one paragraph you claim that while you work for unions making a decent wage, to provide for your family and even buy a home and in the next paragraph you complain you don’t have much money. Perhaps if you stayed in school and earned yourself a actual education by which you spent your time perfecting your skills and talents rather than standing around holding protest signs complaining about what is not given or handed to you and going on strikes and picket lines complaining what your not getting and instead being productive citizen and earning your “decent wage” rather than expecting it to be handed to you just because you protest that you deserve it.

      Though you claim to make a decent wage, then state you don’t have much money and complain to the Republican party that you still need a few things and expect us to provide them for you instead of providing it for yourself, such as your kids going to school. Though we have given you liberal Democrats full rein of the public school system in hopes it would satisfy your whining and let you control how a public educational system works, you have managed to fail at the educational level as you have failed in your financial level. For example, you have taken “G O D” out of our schools and promote promiscuity among our children by which are not of an age that they can provide for them self both mentally and financially the consequences of their actions and rather lay the burden on us to pay for their contraceptives and abortions and food stamps. Rather than teaching them abstinence, and the principle of “patience is a virtual”, you want to teach and even force them to explore not only their hetero but also homosexual tendencies in hopes to promote and expand your homosexual agendas. You have taken a once great educational system by which was once one of the greatest in the world where people from all over this planet was attracted and would come to seek a great education. However, now that you have forced your unions and special interest groups into the public schools, our worldwide rankings in English has dropped to 15th place, Science has dropped to 17th and math has dropped to 25th ranking in the world.

      Because you have spent more time brainwashing them to learn to protest and whine and complain to the point of even using violence to get what they want rather than to educate them and teach them to use their skills and talents to “earn” what they get and not expect it handed to them. In other words, personal responsibility has been removed from your vocabulary as well as many other words, perhaps this is why we are ranking 15th in English these days.

      Those old roads you spoke of, yes I drive on those same roads and also have notice them getting old and though I would rather spend our money to improve our roads. You insist on spending the money to provide contraceptives to promiscuous democrats that spread disease and further running our health expenses and public safety risks though the roof. You want to send our money to Countries through out the world for which you think it is our lone purpose to “defend freedom” and police the world. What has given you the idea that the world wants us in their Countries business telling them how they should live? How many Countries have you actually visited to give you the impression that these other Countries want us butting into their lifes and telling them what they should do and how to do it when they look at us today and laugh at us. I have been to 36 Countries and some of them many times, That job that provided me with that “decent wage and the 2200 sq ft home also provided me with the opportunity to see and witness the world. My time was spent seeing the world and providing productive services to my Country as well as to others while you was back in the states standing on picket lines and protests complaining about what is not being handed to you.
      Perhaps if you wasn’t sending our money to our enemies and people who completely detest us, and perhaps if your Democratically controlled Senate would pass a budget by which they have failed to do in over 1100 days (nearly the entire Obama administration) maybe, just maybe we would have the money to fund the improvement of our roads instead of funding our enemies.

      As far as abortions go, I’m not for them with the exception of if a woman is raped or if her pregnancy will in fact cause harm or death to her. Though most of you seeking abortions because the gender is not what you want or a child would hinder your partying and selfish intentions calling the child a “inconvenience”. However, these days abortion has become not only a question of morality but yes it has become a economic issue since your party is insisting that we pay for your incompetence, ignorance and consequences to your promiscuous immoral principles.

      As time has gone by and though I do not approve of abortions, I have realized that maybe abortions are not such a bad thing considering that the ones seeking abortions are from a plaque to this nation known as the “Democratic party” and perhaps if we let them abort their self into extinction and their extinction further promoted by the inability to procreate from their beloved homosexual society. We will be cured of this plaque none as the Democratic party and will once again be able to resume rebuilding what they have destroyed in this once great nation.

      • WILDFIRE

        edit error – Plague Known as the Democratic party

      • Smilee

        WILDFIRE says:
        September 25, 2012 at 8:56 am

        Dear Democratic Party

        Since you had gotten your union job and making what you felt was a decent wage while your union bosses were making a killing of you (literally), A decent wage worthy of affording you to a buy a 800 sq ft home, in the meantime while you was shelling out part of your “decent wage” to the union bosses to help them purchase their million dollar mansions, I was working jobs by which I was making a decent wage and I didn’t have to shell out to union bosses rather I was able to put that money into savings account and investments by which allowed me purchase a 2200 sq ft home to provide for my family.

        Response:

        Killing!!! Jimmy Hoffa the highest paid teamster earns $294,000.00 a year a mere pittance compared to the CEO’S he negotiates with, no union leader is making a killing. Hoffa being an attorney could make a lot more practicing law than president of the union. Union wages according to the dept of labor whom tracks all wages reports that union members earn on average $800.00 per month more than non union workers which is almost $10,000.00 a year more. Could you save $800.00 a month?? Your post is nothing more that a lot of whining about nothing as most of what you speak is sadly devoid of any real facts and mostly BS. I know many union members whom own homes as large as yours, Also as a retired Union Member between my corporate pension negotiated for by my union is quite large and because of my higher wages over the highest 40 quarters my SS pension is much higher than non union because of that. My income not including anything besides my pension equals a bit more than my wages at the time I retired. How many can retire without a cut in pay, very few if any non union and not all union. I see union dues as an investment and I’m sure my return from those dues exceeded your personal savings. Why so many like yourself see dues as a negative when it produces a lot of positives and why those like you seem to hate the better lifestyles union members enjoy and see it as a negative. I see many of my friends my age today really struggling but they never had the financial benefits from being union, Also union members are not eligible for so many welfare programs that non union workers today have to have to survive. Earned income credit was started by President Ford,, greatly increased by President Reagan in 1986 and during the welfare reform done after 1994 when the nation voted in republican majorities in congress. They expanded them and added a bunch more welfare programs almost all for underpaid non union workers that few republicans complain about because they created them. Admit it, Republicans have created and expanded more welfare in this country than democrats. The solution is much more unions to return to living wages which would then make many non union workers no longer eligible for these welfare programs and automatically reduce our spending without government having to change any laws. If you took off your blinders and look at the whole picture you would see the whole picture AND REALITY.

      • vicki

        Looks like Wildfire is correct that the bosses are making a killing
        ~44,000/year for teachers vs ~500,000/year for union bosses. And this is just 1 union.
        http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/14/teacher-union-bigs-rake-in-dough-despite-budget-cuts-across-education-sector/

        As to the comment about CEO’s of companies making a lot more than union bosses, that is because the CEO’s guide the company into making money by selling a good product instead of making picket lines to prevent the company from making money by selling any product.

        Reality works that way.

      • Smilee

        vicki says:
        September 25, 2012 at 1:02 pm

        The skill set for managing a union and managing a company are considered the same as the number one skill is leadership and this requirement is the same for both . Even at 1/2 million as you assert is but peanuts by comparison, most big corp heads get well over 5 million per years and even at this rate the union leaders paid at the wage you give means the union leader would take 10 years to make what the CEO makes in 1. So it is not a killing if you took the time to look at the whole picture. $44,000 a year for a teacher is an insult for a professional person doing a job that is one of the most important jobs there is. Teachers today are the whipping boys for school failures and as long as the focus is on this we will never solve the problems with our schools today.

      • Vicki

        Smilee continues to avoid the obvious by saying:
        “The skill set for managing a union and managing a company are considered the same as the number one skill is leadership and this requirement is the same for both”

        Thus demonstrating the foolish nature of union bosses. Instead of getting paid 5 million a year they CHOOOSE to get paid 500 thousand a year. The laws of economics are quite clear on this. Union boss value 500k (maybe since in many cases the end customer doesn’t get to choose). CEO value 5 million/year.

        Now that is out of the way lets look at the union members vs bosses (You know. the point wildfire was making rater than your irrelevant distraction)

        Union members 44k. Union bosses 500k.

      • Smilee

        Vicki says:
        September 25, 2012 at 5:37 pm

        You do not make any sense!! CEO’s are in a position to garner these high wages for themselves even when they do not earn them and few are worth what they are paid today, Unions on the other hand have much more limited resources and pay what they can to those with skills worth much more but are so dedicated as to do the job even though they can make more in other settings. Like I said Jimmy Hoffa could make much more practicing law but chose to not do that due to his passion for working people and that is something that is sorely missing in far to many work places today and the attitude of CEO’s towards their employees today. Those of us old enough (in the work place before 1980) to remember when companies mostly treated their employees with respect in both non union shops and union shops, today that respect is mostly in the union shops and to judge the wage disparities only on money as you did skews the reality of this subject.

      • Smilee

        Vickie, using your method of comparison this would be the way to look at
        non union Employees: $22,000.00 Versus CEO’s $6,000,000.00 per year, the ratio is many time larger than union member vs union business agent, I say agent because they are no members boss, they are the employee of the union member as they are elected to serve the member. Your knowledge of Unions is very limited. Unions by regulated law are very democratic because of the law and you seem to believe the member is dictated to, nothing could be further from the truth,

      • vicki

        Smilee says (to me):
        “You do not make any sense!! CEO’s are in a position to garner these high wages for themselves even when they do not earn them and few are worth what they are paid today”

        Proof by bald assertion and again attempting to mis-direct away from Wildfires point. However let us for a moment look. Smilee’s statement is obviously false as the CEO’s are hired by the Board of Directors (that would be the customer buying a persons time and expertise as CEO). If they truly were not worth the money paid then the board would not hire them. This is simple economics and takes little proof (lest I be accused of proof by bald assertion myself here is a link http://www.forbes.com/sites/ciocentral/2011/12/05/the-path-to-becoming-a-fortune-500-ceo)

        Smilee says: “Unions on the other hand have much more limited resources and pay what they can to those with skills worth much more but are so dedicated as to do the job even though they can make more in other settings.”

        Begin your search for how limited the resources are here. http://www.dol.gov/olms/regs/compliance/rrlo/lmrda.htm I used the NEA since it is a large union.

        Smilee: “Like I said Jimmy Hoffa could make much more practicing law but chose to not do that due to his passion for working people…”

        So since Jimmy CHOOSE to work for less than he could why are you using him and other union bosses to claim that CEO’s are overpaid?

        Smilee: “…and that is something that is sorely missing in far to many work places today and the attitude of CEO’s towards their employees today.”

        Proof by bald assertion and demonstrably false by the presence of so many employees at companies. Employees get to change jobs if they don’t like the one they are in.

        Smilee: “Those of us old enough (in the work place before 1980) to remember when companies mostly treated their employees with respect in both non union shops and union shops, today that respect is mostly in the union shops….”

        Maybe if you actually worked (as was more common in the 1980s) you would find companies treated you with respect in or out of unions.

        Smilee: “…and to judge the wage disparities only on money as you did skews the reality of this subject.”

        Funny. I judged by compensation alone cause that is the only objectively measurable method AND was the point of the discussion thus allowing me to remain on point.

      • vicki

        Smilee says (to me)
        “Your knowledge of Unions is very limited. Unions by regulated law are very democratic because of the law and you seem to believe the member is dictated to, nothing could be further from the truth,”

        I would venture to guess that your knowledge of the fundamental nature of unions is a bit less then you imagine. Even though you said it yourself (“Unions by regulated law are very democratic”) you may be unaware of how democracy works. Should 50%+1 of the members decide to strike then 50%-1 are dictated to and HAVE to strike as well.

        This is totally ignoring another feature of Unions. The ability to force a company to force its employees to be in a union.

        Now lets talk again about my limited knowledge, shall we?

      • Smilee

         vicki says:
        September 26, 2012 at 12:53 pm
        Smilee says (to me):

        “You do not make any sense!! CEO’s are in a position to garner these high wages for themselves even when they do not earn them and few are worth what they are paid today”
        Proof by bald assertion and again attempting to mis-direct away from Wildfires point. However let us for a moment look. Smilee’s statement is obviously false as the CEO’s are hired by the Board of Directors (that would be the customer buying a persons time and expertise as CEO). If they truly were not worth the money paid then the board would not hire them. This is simple economics and takes little proof (lest I be accused of proof by bald assertion myself here is a linkhttp://www.forbes.com/sites/ciocentral/2011/12/05/the-path-to-becoming-a-fortune-500-ceo)

        IT IS ALL BULL, BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND CEO AND OTHER EXCEUTIVES GREASE EACH OTHER HANDS THAT IS HOW IT IS IN THESE CIRCLES AND NONE OF THEM ARE WORTH WHAT THEY ARE GETTING IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ECONOMICES BUT OF COURSE THAT IS THEIR COVER FOR THEIR UNETHICAL PRACTICES,

        Smilee says: “Unions on the other hand have much more limited resources and pay what they can to those with skills worth much more but are so dedicated as to do the job even though they can make more in other settings.”
        Begin your search for how limited the resources are here.http://www.dol.gov/olms/regs/compliance/rrlo/lmrda.htm I used the NEA since it is a large union.

        THAT URL DOES NOT TAKE YOU TO A SPECIFIC PLACE AND NOT SURE WHAT YOUR WERE REFERRING ME TOO.

        Smilee: “Like I said Jimmy Hoffa could make much more practicing law but chose to not do that due to his passion for working people…”
        So since Jimmy CHOOSE to work for less than he could why are you using him and other union bosses to claim that CEO’s are overpaid?

        DO THE ARITHMETIC DUMMY IT IS NOT TOO DIFFICULT

        Smilee: “…and that is something that is sorely missing in far to many work places today and the attitude of CEO’s towards their employees today.”
        Proof by bald assertion and demonstrably false by the presence of so many employees at companies. Employees get to change jobs if they don’t like the one they are in.

        YOUR STATEMENT DOES NOT RESPOND IN ANY REAL WAY TO MY STATEMENT

        Smilee: “Those of us old enough (in the work place before 1980) to remember when companies mostly treated their employees with respect in both non union shops and union shops, today that respect is mostly in the union shops….”
        Maybe if you actually worked (as was more common in the 1980s) you would find companies treated you with respect in or out of unions

        . MOST NON UNION FRIENDS OF MINE WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOU AND I KNOW FOR FACT MY NON UNION COWORKES WOLD NOT AGREE WITH YOU, I THINK YOU GOT YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND AGAIN, YOU CANNOT SEE ANYTHING THERE

        Smilee: “…and to judge the wage disparities only on money as you did skews the reality of this subject.”
        Funny. I judged by compensation alone cause that is the only objectively measurable method AND was the point of the discussion thus allowing me to remain on point.

        PURE GARBAGE, MANY HAVE WORK PRIORITIES OTHER THAT MONEY BUT GREED PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT IS MOST LLIKELY YOUR PROBLEM

      • Smilee


         vicki says:
         September 26, 2012 at 1:02 pm

        Smilee says (to me)
        “Your knowledge of Unions is very limited. Unions by regulated law are very democratic because of the law and you seem to believe the member is dictated to, nothing could be further from the truth,”
        I would venture to guess that your knowledge of the fundamental nature of unions is a bit less then you imagine. Even though you said it yourself (“Unions by regulated law are very democr atic”) you may be unaware of how democracy works. Should 50%+1 of the members decide to strike then 50%-1 are dictated to and HAVE to strike as well.

        THAT IS WHAT DEMOCRATIC INSTITUIONS DO, IF OBAMA GETS THE MOST VOTES HE WINS,, IT’S THE GIVE AND TAKE OF LIFE AND A VERY FAIR WAY FOR EMPLOYEES TO GOVERN THEIR WORKING CONDITIONS AND THE UNTERNATVE IS TO BE ENTIRELY AT THE MERCY OF YOUR EMPLOYER AND STATISTICS PROVE AT LOWER WAGES AND BENEFITS AND APPARENTLY YOU ARE ALL FOR LESS WAGES AND BENEFITS AND HORSE$HIT WORKING CONDITIONS, YOUR FREE TO GO AND FIND ANOTHER JOB IF YOU TO NOT AGREE WITH THE MAJORITY.

        This is totally ignoring another feature of Unions. The ability to force a company to force its employees to be in a union.

        THIS ONLY HAPPENS IF THAT IS WHAT THE MAKORITY WANTS.

        Now lets talk again about my limited knowledge, shall we?

        NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT IS IT IS SO LIMITED AS TO NOT EXSIST.

      • deerinwater

        “~44,000/year for teachers vs ~500,000/year for union bosses.”

        I’m left to assume Vicky, you think that is a valid comparison?

      • Vicki

        deerinwater says:

        “~44,000/year for teachers vs ~500,000/year for union bosses.”

        I’m left to assume Vicky, you think that is a valid comparison?

        Since the subject as created by wildfire is union members vs union bosses you would be correct. No need to assume. Just read the script.

        • Deerinwater

          Hmm? I wonder where those Wisconsin teachers that make $150,000.00 we heard about when?

      • Vicki

        Smilee yells:
        “vicki: “This is totally ignoring another feature of Unions. The ability to force a company to force its employees to be in a union.”

        THIS ONLY HAPPENS IF THAT IS WHAT THE MAKORITY WANTS.”

        which is rather the point of why democracy is bad and will always fail. Tyranny of the majority is STILL tyranny.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

      • Smilee

        Vicki says:
        September 28, 2012 at 2:38 pm

        Smilee yells: INSERT: THE CAPS WERE YO MAKE IT EASIER TO SEPARATE YOU WORDS FROM MINE NOT YELLING AS YOU SO IDIOTICALLY CONCLUDED WITHOT ANY FACTS

        “vicki: “This is totally ignoring another feature of Unions. The ability to force a company to force its employees to be in a union.”

        THIS ONLY HAPPENS IF THAT IS WHAT THE MAKORITY WANTS.”

        which is rather the point of why democracy is bad and will always fail. Tyranny of the majority is STILL tyranny.

        MY FURTHER RESPONSE:

        To equate tyranny with better wages, better benefits and better working condition is an insane statement likes which I suppose should be expected from the likes of you. If you do not believe in democracy which what you clearly are saying, then why not go and live in N Korea and experience the alternative.. No one has to work in a union shop in this country they are free to seek employment in a place of their choice but what you are suggesting is that the minority shall rule, that is tyranny and that is what they have in N.. Korea and like countries. Only thirteen percent of the countries workers are in union shops so there are sure many more non union jobs out there. Enjoy your underpaid status and food stamps etc.if you do

      • Smilee

        Vickie

        A republic yes but it is managed by a democracy and that is done by majority vote, we elect our officials that way and use it for many other reasons but always under the law which can also be made and changed by majority vote and the Constitution by super majority, our republic provides for this and as Union election are the law they cannot be tyranny which is done by force without law. To say that this is a republic and not a democracy is not correct as it is both a republic and a democracy as there is know way to manage a republic without a democracy as that is a dictatorial type of government as all government have laws ours are created by the will of the people through their representatives and that makes it a democratic republic form of government

    • theodorej

      Greetings KG …. You reflect back on better times ,when we could buy a house for well under a hundred thousand and my first new car cost 29 hundred dollars,I financed my own college education with student loans that I pledged to pay back when I graduated college($3000 per year)… Yes KG it was a better time and we were better people,we were not killing babies,smoking dope and watching porn,and if we were it was in the privacy of our own person and I might add there was shame attached to that type of behavior.So blaming a political party is just an extension of the selfishness that abides in all of us we are the leaders that we elected and if you think the money is the only problem this nation has then you are the problem and continueing on the path that we are on as nation will mark the end of what was once a blessed nation…

      • Gordon

        AMEN. Ethics, integrity, and honor are elements missing in people today. Sure, many will excuse themselves by saying that the gov is screwing them out of their hard earned money, others will excuse themselves by saying that the gov is screwing them by not giving them more benefits. I know several people who were self employed for decades, scammed their taxes, didn’t pay their share, and now are bitching that the gov is screwing them because their retirement check is too small. Facts are that “you reap what you sow” and “if you don’t work, you don’t eat” are principles lost in time and politics.

    • LIBERTY 273

      And what party be it that you are looking to for the future?….

      • CompasionateOne

        How about “None of the Above”?

    • SarahR

      Obama is the ‘Affirmative Action’ President…promoted beyond his abilities into a job for which he is unqualified solely based upon the color of his skin. He is the ultimate expression of ‘Social Promotion’.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Please tell me how President Obama obtained his office solely based upon the color of his skin.

      • Gordon

        Not solely. If it weren’t for the race card, he wouldn’t have been elected. IMO 20% voted for him just because.

      • Gordon

        Sarah he is the result of a conspiracy to get an arab-muslim-socialist into the highest position of power in the world. It walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and swins like a duck……it ain’t no hippopotomus.

      • Dulceb

        I have always heard it called the “Peter Principal.” That is being promoted to your level of incompetence.
        In this case then, the sky is the limit. Which is funny, ironic, not funny as in haha.
        I think I am going to be sick.

      • JC

        Doc Sarvis says:
        September 25, 2012 at 10:41 am
        Please tell me how President Obama obtained his office solely based upon the color of
        his skin.
        __________________________________________________________________
        Black people voted for him because he is 50% black.
        Rich white liberals voted for him because it was trendy and cool to vote for a guy who is 50% black.
        Generational welfare recipients voted for him to keep the gig going.
        NO ONE voted for him because he was qualified.

        But the alternative at the time was pretty much a joke too.
        So alll in all we have a political machine that keeps rolling out political hacks.
        A media that dresses the hacks up to look semi-credible.
        And about 35 /40% of the population with the IQ of a house plant.

        The Greatest Country in history…isn’t so damned great any more, is it?

        Back to the Constitution and Restore the Republic! :)

      • deerinwater

        Gordon says; “Not solely. If it weren’t for the race card, he wouldn’t have been elected. IMO 20% voted for him just because.”

        If I elected to pander to you Gordon and assume for a minute you are correct, what about the voters like myself, that voted for him in spite of race? Is that a reflection on me or Obama or both of us?

        And if we are to get in some pissing contest of who is the brightest among us, ~ I ask you ; Where is all the jobs that the GOP promised would follow by cutting taxes? ~ For if it did actually create jobs as promised by the GOP, what kind were they and where are they and how many do you believe tax cut created?

        http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/09/news/economy/jobs_december/

        By David Goldman, CNNMoney.com staff writer
        Last Updated: January 9, 2009: 12:11 PM ET

        ROAD TO RESCUE
        Home prices up for 1st time in 3 years
        New home sales: ‘Really good news’
        Wall Street: Here comes the hard part
        7 regional banks fail
        Banker: “TARP helped avert a global calamity”

        Where the jobs are

        NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — The hemorrhaging of American jobs accelerated at a record pace at the end of 2008, bringing the year’s total job losses to 2.6 million or the highest level in more than six decades.

        A sobering U.S. Labor Department jobs report Friday showed the economy lost 524,000 jobs in December and 1.9 million in the year’s final four months, after the credit crisis began in September.

    • Todd

      Your housing and bank problems, They would be the people you elected troubles..See, Carter in 1977, wrote a good bill, got a few banks to support. Left a few Regulations in place and waived several, most importantly, a few of the tough ones. This helped the ones that truly wanted and needed the help. In 1993, along came the change, The HUD bill, was changed, a lot..Expanded first, without the banks being involved. Which of course, they laughed. Barney Frank wrote it, he waived the few requirements that remained in the law, The banks used Title 10, pointed out they didn’t have to give money away. Enter, Chris Dodd, who went though Title 10, expanding the Governments role in the banking industry. Reaffirming, Franks demands on them, forcing them to participate in the program.The expansion, pulled in many more banks into the program, a way to spread out the loses, so a few banks wouldn’t be on the hook for all of debt.These laws were put into effect in the first term of Clinton, 1992-1996…The housing bubble and the banking bubble that just hit the wall were defended by these people, even when it was pointed out Regulation needed to be put back in place. Waters was out from on that. Frank defended on TV. The powers they had only stood by and watched it crush, They added investment firms to the mix, hoping the Rich could take on some of the debt as well. We saw how that worked out…Use C-span to help in your reach, then goto http://www.Gov, hit the laws, it will show you the dates and signers……

    • Jeff

      KG .. you drank the kool-aid didn’t you. Your kids will be paying for all the government give aways for many many years … if you really love your kids and want them to grow up in an exceptional America stop drinking it and wake up …

    • niccko

      If those are the things that interest you, than redistribution is your game…like chrystal says, go to N.Korea if that’s what your looking for..alternative, join a union for freebies or go teach in Chicago, good pay for no work results.

    • JC

      IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

      The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

      When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

      You Democrats are a bunch of Communists who are determined to undermine the Constitution and relegate the lives lost fighting wars against tyranny and fascism to the waste bin. For this, we will not forgive you.

      • Gordon

        The Constitution started into the toilet when ole honest abe wasn’t challenged for his abandonment of the Constitution, oh I am sure the rhetoric sounded wonderful then. Its kind of like the 4 minute mile. When Bannister did it, then others realized they could too. Then more and more and more. God help us all, regardless of who wins.

      • JC

        For sure.

    • alpha-lemming

      FINALLY !!!!!! Someone who recognizes it’ll never work out and is willing to let each faction live out their lives and chalk up the “divorce” to irreconcilable differences. This is just a first draft and we’re willing to listen to addenda, but I think you/us can agree on the majority of the terms.

      1) The difficult part will be dividing up the land mass into fairly equal portions, but even with you on the opposite side of the table, I’m sure a friendly consensus can be reached. Our disparate tastes should make dividing up the remaining assets acceptable to both paries.

      2) We don’t like redistibutive taxes, liberal judges or the ACLU so those are all yours.

      3) You hate guns and war, so we’ll keep our firearms, the NRA, police and miltary.

      4) We’ll take the nasty, smelly, polluting oil business and you’re welcome to the abundance granted you via, windmills, solar, and bio-diesel.

      5) You’re also welcome to Michael Moore(on), Oprah, and Rosie, but you WILL be responsible for finding a bio-diesel big enough to haul around their fat a$$e$.

      6) We’ll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, Wall Street, and Wal-Mart.

      7) You are welcome to the life-time wefare dwellers, food stamps, illegal aliens, hippies, and drug abusers.

      8) We’ll keep the Sarah Palins, Kimberly Guilfoyles, Michelle Malkins, Ann Coulters, greedy CEOs, rednecks, and bibles, and give you the Janine Garafalos, Hillarys, Pelosis, Babs Striesands, Andrea Dworkins, NBC, and Hollywood.

      9) You can make nice with Palestine and Iran, and we’ll retain our right to hammer those who threaten us.

      10) We’ll keep our Judeo-Christian values.

      11) You are more than welcome to Islam, Scientology, Wicca/Gaia worship, political correctness, living wages, Humanism and Shirley McLain. You are also welcome to the UN. but we will no longer be paying the bill.

      12) We’ll keep the SUVs, pick-up trucks, and performance/luxury cars, and you can keep all the Smart-Cars, Volts, and Leafs.

      13) You can give everyone free health care, but you will also be responsible for finding practicing doctors. We’ll continue to believe health-care is an earned luxury and not a right.

      14) We’ll keep the “National Anthem” and “The Battlehymn of the Republic”. I’m sure you’ll be much happier with and anthem like “Imagine”, “I’d like to Teach the World to Sing”, “Kum Ba Ya” or “We are the World”.

      15) We’ll practice trickle-down economics, and you can continue to give trickle-up poverty your best shot.

      16) And in conclusion, since it offends you so, we’ll keep our history, our name, our Constitution, and our flag.

      I think we’ve made some real headway here today and the frame-work I’ve laid out hopefully will make the split as amicable as possible.

      • Joseph Mariom

        I believe you have said what millions of us are thinking. Ilike it, but the demoncrats don’t

      • JeffH

        Hear Hear!

      • Smilee

        Hit to wrong reply above should have been here

        Patsy says:
        September 25, 2012 at 11:33 am

        You have very little knowledge about unions and laws governing them and pensions and laws governing them. The majority of union members have their pension with the employer and all defined contributions are, defined benefit plans in some cases are handled by unions but again most are by companies and the terms are a part of the labor agreement with the company. Pension laws on defined benefit plans are plans require that the company or the union pay into a trust fund that is managed by a third party trustee and neither the union or company have any control over these trust funds. Many years ago the unions and companies did and that was when pension funds were raided. The laws were changed when a company by the name of Minneapolis Moline in Minneapolis went out of business and the pension fund was found to be empty and the employees never got any pension so then Senator Walter Mondale of MN entered a bill in congress to have defined pension trust funds managed by a third party trustee and then neither the union or the company no longer had access to these funds. Hearing about unions raiding pension funds in recent years have been pure political rhetoric for political reasons but none has existed since that bill was passed and I believe it was in the early seventies, anyhow many years ago. The IRS oversee the pension trustees and annual trustee reports on the trust fund have to be made to them with copies to all employees and retirees. I get one every year and have since this law was passed. I have been retired for ten years and my company paid in on my behalf for 40 years prior to my retiring. Last decade the formulas for payment to these funds were lowed so many funds became underfunded and then where found to be underfunded and some employees in these trust funds had some losses that way. Defined benefit plans are paid once you retire each month for the rest of your life and never run out and are insured if they should go bankrupt, this is not true for defined contribution funds which when the reach zero you no longer have a pension and the only ones that unions have are for their own employees, agents office help etc. Defined contribution plans are company plans that the employer matches the employee contribution to a certain defined maximum and plans vary widely as to controls over them. Union contacts have these methods defined in legal binding labor agreements but with no binding agreement then the company usually is free to make all these decisions without consulting with the employee. Corporations are at present experiencing record high profits and sustainability to pay is not an issue despite the fact you continually hear that rhetoric but it is not true Poor men are made from under paid employees of which most are not union members and this contributes very much to why those at the top have gotten so rich. That statement about poor men hiring is nothing but a smoke screen and you should know that.
        In the Chicago Teachers strike the issue was not wages as 16% had been agreed to before the strike, nor Was it about not wanting to be held accountable, it was really about the method of determining accountability and that is a legitimate issue. Your statement of Chicago Professionals only making $30,000.00 a year is stupid I fail to see that anyone can believe this BS of yours. I’m sure many in that city make several million a years and most well over 30 thousand. You completely mischaracterize the Teachers strike, certainly you know there are two parties to these negotiations and you automatically conclude that is was teachers fault when the issues still undecided when the a strike began were all legitimate issues and had nothing to do with financial issues This is true unless you are one of those that believe employees should have all issues of employment determined by the employer and then dictated to the employee by them this is synonymous with a master slave type interaction. Then there is those who believe in unions whom despise that type of employer/employee relationships. I can tell you having worked both ways you are respected if you are in a union and seldom respected today if not. Some hate unions for reasons I think they often do not understand themselves or what Unions are and do you certainly don’t.

      • deerinwater

        Your stereotyping , profiling and generalizing was comical alpha-lemming

        But Other then comic relief, it’s worthless.

        I am a democrat, I have owned many guns and mineral rights, have a flattering DD214, and have four producing natural gas well with in 5 miles of my home and 2 more being drilled.

        The last government money that I made or received was E5 combat pay 44 years ago and I have embraced free enterprise and been self sustaining since 1978 and my taxes are paid up current ( it wasn’t easy)

        Oprah good ! she does good deeds , self-made and a inspiration to others.

        Rossy? other then just large, opinionated like you and noise, I don’t know what she’s good for.

      • Mario

        God, that was good!… But can we give them Sarah Palin too?…

    • http://alsina846.wordpress.com millie

      you are a very stupid person, and is stupid people like yourself that are going to vote for this scum bag president who will in change this nation to be socialist and become another third world country

      • Smilee

        Patsy says:
        September 25, 2012 at 11:33 am

        You have very little knowledge about unions and laws governing them and pensions and laws governing them. The majority of union members have their pension with the employer and all defined contributions are, defined benefit plans in some cases are handled by unions but again most are by companies and the terms are a part of the labor agreement with the company. Pension laws on defined benefit plans are plans require that the company or the union pay into a trust fund that is managed by a third party trustee and neither the union or company have any control over these trust funds. Many years ago the unions and companies did and that was when pension funds were raided. The laws were changed when a company by the name of Minneapolis Moline in Minneapolis went out of business and the pension fund was found to be empty and the employees never got any pension so then Senator Walter Mondale of MN entered a bill in congress to have defined pension trust funds managed by a third party trustee and then neither the union or the company no longer had access to these funds. Hearing about unions raiding pension funds in recent years have been pure political rhetoric for political reasons but none has existed since that bill was passed and I believe it was in the early seventies, anyhow many years ago. The IRS oversee the pension trustees and annual trustee reports on the trust fund have to be made to them with copies to all employees and retirees. I get one every year and have since this law was passed. I have been retired for ten years and my company paid in on my behalf for 40 years prior to my retiring. Last decade the formulas for payment to these funds were lowed so many funds became underfunded and then where found to be underfunded and some employees in these trust funds had some losses that way. Defined benefit plans are paid once you retire each month for the rest of your life and never run out and are insured if they should go bankrupt, this is not true for defined contribution funds which when the reach zero you no longer have a pension and the only ones that unions have are for their own employees, agents office help etc. Defined contribution plans are company plans that the employer matches the employee contribution to a certain defined maximum and plans vary widely as to controls over them. Union contacts have these methods defined in legal binding labor agreements but with no binding agreement then the company usually is free to make all these decisions without consulting with the employee. Corporations are at present experiencing record high profits and sustainability to pay is not an issue despite the fact you continually hear that rhetoric but it is not true Poor men are made from under paid employees of which most are not union members and this contributes very much to why those at the top have gotten so rich. That statement about poor men hiring is nothing but a smoke screen and you should know that.
        In the Chicago Teachers strike the issue was not wages as 16% had been agreed to before the strike, nor Was it about not wanting to be held accountable, it was really about the method of determining accountability and that is a legitimate issue. Your statement of Chicago Professionals only making $30,000.00 a year is stupid I fail to see that anyone can believe this BS of yours. I’m sure many in that city make several million a years and most well over 30 thousand. You completely mischaracterize the Teachers strike, certainly you know there are two parties to these negotiations and you automatically conclude that is was teachers fault when the issues still undecided when the a strike began were all legitimate issues and had nothing to do with financial issues This is true unless you are one of those that believe employees should have all issues of employment determined by the employer and then dictated to the employee by them this is synonymous with a master slave type interaction. Then there is those who believe in unions whom despise that type of employer/employee relationships. I can tell you having worked both ways you are respected if you are in a union and seldom respected today if not. Some hate unions for reasons I think they often do not understand themselves or what Unions are and do you certainly don’t.

    • Patsy

      KG, it is good that you are able to support your family with the wages you earn as a union member. I have a couple of questions for you to consider and some thoughts about sustainability. Who do you have your retirement invested with? Do the union leaders invest your money or are you doing it on your own and how many times the past few years have you heard about the unions mishandling pension funds and the outright corruption in the union leadership? If the union leaders are administering your retirement, you can bet they are investing it in companies like Sachs, WalMart, oil companies, and many other companies that are part of Wall Street. Do you really think that union leaders care about you or do you think they are just out for themselves? If you live to be say 80, do you think that just your savings will last that long? Most people would have to say no. Where will your retirement funds then come from? Also, have you ever held a job that a poor man gave you? I thought not. You have to be pay for employees, but the unions have a strangle-hold on a lot of companies and they are not going to always be able to sustain paying wages, pensions, healthcare and other benefits.

      In Chicago the teachers union called for a strike because they wanted a 16 percent raise and did not want to be held accountable for their performance in the classroom. When was the last time you heard of any public employee getting that type of raise and not be held accountable for their performance? Chicago has one of the worst records for children’s reading performance. Teachers in Chicago already make on average over 70,000.00 per year while other professionals in Chicago make 30,000.00. So while they held the schools and city hostage, who benefited? It certainly was not the children or their parents who had to arrange and pay for childcare that they were not counting on. Just think about it. While there are a lot of people out there that would like to start their own company and hire employees, do you think they will do it if they are forced to provide healthcare, pay union wages, and higher taxes because they have income of more than $250k.

      • Gordon

        Thumbs up^^^^^. I worked a union job that paid $35 hr. 80 miles away the same job, non-union pays $12-15. Both are state bid contract projects. mmmmmmmm?

      • niccko

        Yes Patsy…that is how greed started…..here is an inch….now we want a foot…..how about a yard….hell we want the whole yard-stick and we will do our own measurements. sacred union rule. “the song, “WE WANT IT ALL, WE WANT IT ALL ” !

      • Smilee

        I hope this is the right place

      • Smilee

        ???
        Patsy says:
        September 25, 2012 at 11:33 am

        You have very little knowledge about unions and laws governing them and pensions and laws governing them. The majority of union members have their pension with the employer and all defined contributions are, defined benefit plans in some cases are handled by unions but again most are by companies and the terms are a part of the labor agreement with the company. Pension laws on defined benefit plans are plans require that the company or the union pay into a trust fund that is managed by a third party trustee and neither the union or company have any control over these trust funds. Many years ago the unions and companies did and that was when pension funds were raided. The laws were changed when a company by the name of Minneapolis Moline in Minneapolis went out of business and the pension fund was found to be empty and the employees never got any pension so then Senator Walter Mondale of MN entered a bill in congress to have defined pension trust funds managed by a third party trustee and then neither the union or the company no longer had access to these funds. Hearing about unions raiding pension funds in recent years have been pure political rhetoric for political reasons but none has existed since that bill was passed and I believe it was in the early seventies, anyhow many years ago. The IRS oversee the pension trustees and annual trustee reports on the trust fund have to be made to them with copies to all employees and retirees. I get one every year and have since this law was passed. I have been retired for ten years and my company paid in on my behalf for 40 years prior to my retiring. Last decade the formulas for payment to these funds were lowed so many funds became underfunded and then where found to be underfunded and some employees in these trust funds had some losses that way. Defined benefit plans are paid once you retire each month for the rest of your life and never run out and are insured if they should go bankrupt, this is not true for defined contribution funds which when the reach zero you no longer have a pension and the only ones that unions have are for their own employees, agents office help etc. Defined contribution plans are company plans that the employer matches the employee contribution to a certain defined maximum and plans vary widely as to controls over them. Union contacts have these methods defined in legal binding labor agreements but with no binding agreement then the company usually is free to make all these decisions without consulting with the employee. Corporations are at present experiencing record high profits and sustainability to pay is not an issue despite the fact you continually hear that rhetoric but it is not true Poor men are made from under paid employees of which most are not union members and this contributes very much to why those at the top have gotten so rich. That statement about poor men hiring is nothing but a smoke screen and you should know that.
        In the Chicago Teachers strike the issue was not wages as 16% had been agreed to before the strike, nor Was it about not wanting to be held accountable, it was really about the method of determining accountability and that is a legitimate issue. Your statement of Chicago Professionals only making $30,000.00 a year is stupid I fail to see that anyone can believe this BS of yours. I’m sure many in that city make several million a years and most well over 30 thousand. You completely mischaracterize the Teachers strike, certainly you know there are two parties to these negotiations and you automatically conclude that is was teachers fault when the issues still undecided when the a strike began were all legitimate issues and had nothing to do with financial issues This is true unless you are one of those that believe employees should have all issues of employment determined by the employer and then dictated to the employee by them this is synonymous with a master slave type interaction. Then there is those who believe in unions whom despise that type of employer/employee relationships. I can tell you having worked both ways you are respected if you are in a union and seldom respected today if not. Some hate unions for reasons I think they often do not understand themselves or what Unions are and do you certainly don’t.

    • dalene44

      KB:
      You’re the classic liberal gimme gimme who resents money made by others but then demand it be spent on you. The Democrats want to spend money but refuse to allow policies where we can generate it. That’s begging for bankruptcy. That’s no good future.

      Why don’t you ask your dear leader why he fast tracked and gave special environmental exemptions to BP and the Deepwater Horizon then punished US compliant companies and gave Brazil 2 billion to drill after those exemptions resulted in the deadly Gulf blowout?
      Or why, after a court found Obama’s Indefinite Detention for US citizens unconstitutional, did his fight a rigorous battle to have it reinstated including filing an Emergency Stay to keep US citizens subject to indefinite detention?

      Why not put your country first instead of your own greed and phony self righteousness?
      We need all hands on deck, not those who sit on one hand with the other hand out. The Democrat way is work the system while others work. It hurts us all.

    • Dave Bishop

      Dear KG, I, too, was in the unions, one was a company union, so it really doesn’t count, but the others were more concerned about certain pockets and forsook the rank and file. One even fought with me when I filed a grievance, they did not want me to have the same protection the upper echelon had.
      I won in the President’s Grievance Committee, after threats and attempted coercion over most of one year.
      The Democrats left us when they chose Jingo Jimmy over Scoop Jackson,using the dirty tactic of impuning the man’s integrity four days before the New Hampshire primaries. It’s the same dirty tactic the Dem’s use today.
      To get into Obama’s presence, the cell phones are taken away. That’s because they don’t want any pictures like what they did to Romney. And don’t forget Bagdad Jimmy McDermot’s illegally passing on to the press an illegally tapped phone conversation which was then illegally put forth in the media. The press was told how bad it was, and Jimmy was fined; he has never paid the fine.
      Our president has increased the national debt by over $16 trillion in less than four years and has spent more time on the golf course than most pros. He and his family have taken more vacations than any other president and outspent all the others by a couple of million dollars…all of it ours.
      I am no fan of the Republicans, but they do have a tendency to take better care of our friends and keep our enemies at arms length. They also think that meeting with important people from other nations is more important than doing a personal worship service on the view.
      Dave

      • deerinwater

        “Our president has increased the national debt by over $16 trillion in less than four years and has spent more time on the golf course than most pros.”

        That falsehood, ~ discredited your whole post.

    • toosmarttovoteGOP

      You should’ve signed it, “A Forgotten (or Ignored) American.

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

      What future would that be KG, live under a communist government run by a commie who isn’t even a citizen? A person who is following Hitlers book to dictatorship? Wow, some people are just out in space when it comes to brains.

    • http://personaliberty.com Travis

      The liberal power elite are selfish, hypocritical, arrogant, self-righteous, and, worst of all, destructive of those around them. They are willing to saddle everyone else with rules and regulations that do not apply to them, and with higher taxes that they somehow escape paying. The Buffett Rule might sound like a great idea, but it would never apply to the Buffetts of this world. Or the Kerrys, Kennedys, or any other left-wing billionaire.

      Liberal do-gooders are always coming up with lovely schemes for redistributing other people’s money and managing other people’s lives. The problem is that all of these schemes do more harm than good. Welfare, which redistributes wealth to those who cannot work but also to those who avoid working or underreport income, is funded on the backs of those who actually do work. “Saving the planet” costs jobs but never actually saves anything. Killing fossil fuels increases energy costs and triggers inflation across the board. Yet the liberal elite blithely support every cause that comes along with no consideration of the cost to ordinary people. In doing so, they pad their already inflated sense of self-importance, and at no cost to themselves.

      Scratch the surface of the liberal elite, and you will find a monstrous contempt for those “beneath” them. Liberals like Barack Obama live and breathe in a realm of utter disdain for ordinary Americans, including congressmen who hail from what the president likes to call “Palookaville.” It is not just that they are out of touch; it is that they despise what is normal and decent. They would no more live in the heartland or send their kids to a public school than they would forego an exemption engineered solely to save them money — the same tax break for the rich that they publicly decry as soooo unfair. It’s no surprise that several prominent liberal Democrats made their fortunes as slum lords and ambulance-chasers. Others just married their money. – Jeffrey Folks

      Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/are_liberals_immoral.html#ixzz27aXTWyWy

    • Veteran

      Worried about your roads and infrastructure? Then tell your Democrat friends that they shouldn’t have taken the fuel taxes from the fund for the highways and infrastructure and put them into the General Fund that they use to put together social and vote-buying programs. Yes, KG, your buddies stole the fuel taxes to make sure they stayed in office – then blame the Republicans for bad roads!

    • Howard

      Left wing or Right wing… doesn’t matter. They’re the two wings of the same PREDATORY BIRD. Mitt = Barack and we are all Effed in the A**. The quicker that all you jack-tards realize that the Republican and Democratic Parties are both in it together the quicker we can all team up to get rid of the SCUM that fills every city hall, capital building, court house, the house of reps, senate, and white house.

  • JustAnotherJoe

    I have to admit I was chuckling to myself when I read through this one. For how very true it all is. I can imagine a diatribe on the Republican party would be just as humerous.

    • boyscout

      I can, and quite easily. Although not laughable, both parties have truly become jokes with lame punch lines.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Have you been involved in the grass roots of the Republican Party? If you haven’t I suggest you go cry over the spilled milk in a corner, and keep your mouth shut about subjects you apparently know nothing about.

      • Chester

        Capitalist at Birth, why would I want to be involved at the grassroots level with a party who has shown me time and again it has NO respect for me and mine. If it were up to the Republicans, the fact that I served in the military would be a point of shame rather than pride, as for all the noise they make about needing military services, they have NO wish to actually fulfill the contracts they wrote. Mostly, that involved lifelong access to medical services, at NO cost to the service member, or a decent retirement that wasn’t used to take away from other earned retirement funds. The same party who wants every one to pay for their own education, unless you already have enough money to do so, then you should be offered every opportunity for free. The Republican party no longer represents the small businessman or woman, just the moneyed people who don’t have to worry about how they are going to make payroll over the next couple of months.

      • deerinwater

        That’s telling it like it is Chester. Bravo ~

        The GOP is a hyjacked party ~ and the crazy thing about it is , there are three separate groups attempting to hyjack the same train. I’m looking for the forth,~ the counter hyjackers.

        But you are right, if the GOP sells you a battleship with 16″ guns and you pay up front for it, they will deliver you a leaky rowboat with one cracked oar and a BB gun and act shocked that you might be unhappy with your fine purchase.

        I was very surprise the day when the VA directed me to the County Hospital, I admit 20 years had passed since I had separated from the service from a war zone. I had not needed any help tell then, as I had not encountered any injure or illness too large to handle on my own. ~ I’ve never been back.

  • Jim B

    I’m ready for two America’s. Problem is, after a year or so the Dems side will fail miserably, and seeing how many of them will be kin folk to many of us, we will have to bail them out, or take them in. If it is going to work, we will have to have some policies such as:
    1. Once you return to the Republic you can never hold any government office.
    2. You will have to be able to support you and yours in order to stay.
    3. You have no voting rights in the Republic (that’s what got them started in the first place).
    4. You must attended re-education therapy and be pronounced fit to live amongst the Republic in order to achieve full residency.
    5. If you return to the Dems, you can never return to the Republic…. ever (we must prevent cross contamination from happening again!)

    • Frank Mlinar

      Jim B. What you are describing is NOT America.

      • Steve E

        Sounds like a great America to me.

      • deerinwater

        I’ll take it a step father ~ you believe that you would like a America without pesky opposition but then it would not be America and the root of your unhappiness will be there with you where ever you go. You are using opposition as a crutch, an excuse for your unhappiness.

        This belief that it is other peoples job to make you happy is common among unhappy people. It’s referred to as immaturity. People do not mature at the same rate of growth, some refuse and never mature despite their years, which shows up in various degrees of dysfunctional behavior.

        If everyone was mature and accepted the responsibility for their presence, actions and behavior there would be little need for “Law” ~ Laws that define dysfunctional social and civil behavior by YOU SHALL NOT or YOU SHALL commanding personal responsibility.

        That we have grown people today that will engage in unscruples behavior and defend their actions, saying there is “No Law Against it” are the people that need a world , a nation, a state, a cell all their own.

    • cawmun cents

      The first shot of the Second Civil War,has already been fired.This one has world wide implications.
      Clearly,this time there is no Mason-Dixon line demarxist-ating one side from another.
      This war is to be fought on an interior basis,and is for all the globalist marbles.
      Socialiste Democratique,has a hundred country lead right now,and its time you Capitalist swine get out your hanging chads and git some bidness done.
      I’ll be standing side by each with you against the long odds-on favorite of secular humanity.
      But God knows His kids,those who are rebellious,and those who are close to Him,so I am not skeered….haw!
      If God is for me then who can be against me?
      Let them line up at the gates,and present their champions.
      Their Goliath of socialism,and secular humanism will laugh at our punyness,and scoff at God’s greatnness,as was previously done.
      They will sacrifice unborn children to Moloch,and seek to appease those who they wish to indoctrinate….and you and I will be pursued and made into an endangered species.
      Buit nevertheless God will prevail at the final hour,and those who desired to eschew Him will be relgated to the dustbin of historical note.
      Cheers!
      -CC.

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        Amen friend, God is always right and the reason we have the leader we do is to judge this nation who has turned their backs on Him.

        • Deerinwater

          You people would be frighting if it wasn’t for your alligator mouth and hummingbird a$$.

          I’m glad we live in a nation of laws where we can defend ourselves from such people if it become necessary.

    • theodorej

      Jim ….. The definition of a republic is as follows … It is a state that is governed by rule of law, in the case of the US, the constitution was that rule of law…In the beginning of this great republic you could not vote unless you were a land owner and a majority never prevailed over the rule of law…Where We have gone wrong here is we have embraced a form of representative democracy where 51 percent of the people can trample the rights of the remaining 49 percent… Today we have civil servants,welfare recipients and immigrants voting our paychecks..

      • Gordon

        The first republic died when honest Abe Lincoln suspended the Constitution. World history has shown that as people who have nothing, know nothing, and want everything are allowed an influence into government, it becomes oppressive and destroys the economy. The dumbing down of America has created a society that few if anyone under age 55 can explain the simplest workings of government and economics. Facts are that only responsible adults should be voting. Pure democracy is evil.

      • deerinwater

        quote; “Pure democracy is evil.”

        the same could be said of capitalism

        I tend to view such “words” defining ideologies as only tools. Tools that we use to craft, create and govern.

        It is not the “Tool” that is evil but the user of the tool can employ it in an evil way.

        Guns, hammers, saws, NAFTA have no inherent evil about them .

        Where by it is the user were all evil lies.

  • Frank Mlinar

    LOL! What a great comedic piece!

  • mark

    Yeah, leave the Democratic Party, Ben, like you were ever a supporter. Join the corporate pigs who run the Republican Party and rape and rob this country everyday of their lives. That’s where you really belong anyway. They did a great job with the Iraq War, the 2004 $600 billion Medicare Prescription boondoogle, the Patriot Act and the 2008 Global Financial Meltdown. They are definitely more your speed.

    • tony

      Everything Obama is doing is Unsustainable , he can’t tax the Rich enough even if he takes 100 % of their profits it will not pay the debt .

      • mark

        Obama proposes raising the top rate for people making over $250,000 in adjustable gross income from its current 35% to 39%. This was the top rate from 1993-2001 when 24 million jobs were created under the Clinton adminstration and more millionaires were created in the United States than in its entire history. So much for this “draconian” top tax rate raise.

      • Doc Sarvis

        President Obama just wants to return American tax rates on the rich to the level they were when we had relative prosperity and a relatively healthy economy, that being when Clinton was President. He does not claim that would fix everything but it would help a lot. He would also NOT throw us into two wars (one completely unnecessary) on borrowed money.

      • tony

        Mark that Boom in the Clinton Tech Bubble was when it Blew up in 2001 right after Clinton left office so his economic policy was Unsustainable too just like Bushes and Obama s going in the wrong direction too None of these guys since Reagan put to work economic policies that promoted First food supply expansion so that the rest of the supply productions could be sustainable and so the Bond Holders have not stayed invested for the maturity of the Investments because they watch the data and see the trends of policies that these idiots have been implementing and know that it doesn’t add up . The problem is as long as we are trying to engage the international markets with supply production we need a Reagan type of economic policy that promotes Food related supply expansion and at the same time bring the debate about the world population growth being unsustainable and that means we have to educate the populous about finite earth and show them the USA and developed Nations working model for sustainable growth through a capital economic system that rewards thoughtful effort in self reliance .

      • Congress Works For Us

        Dude, Obama could confiscate their entire WEALTH and still not dent the deficit.

        And for those calling for Clinton-era Tax Rates – fine… as soon as we return back to Clinton-era spending (Fed budget: $1.6T, NOT $3.6T!)

      • Norm

        The top tax rate may be a modest (by world standards), but as we have seen Flip Romney pays less than 15% and maybe a lot less.

      • Norm

        Once again in English….

        The top tax rate at 35% is quite modest (by world standards). As we have seen, however, Flip Romney paid less than 15% for the years we’ve have actually been privileged to see.

        • tony

          Norm its funny that Europe with some of the highest tax rates is more broke than we are so how is raising the rate going to curb the debt if spending is not controlled ? Here are some tax rates that show countries with lower rates than the USA which are growing more than we are . The goal of the Liberal machine is to have more control over the rate of consumption and that means they need more control over the capital flows all to appease the environmentalists who see earth dying from a Free market self reliant Capitalist economic system . This is why they hate capitalism so much , but its all a Lie those nations who embrace capitalism are more efficient due to a higher quality of life so we all should be promoting the capital, system not claiming it never has worked like Obama does all the time . Its doesn’t work because they won’t convict those who abuse it , like Their Buddies John Corzine !!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

      • Steve E

        Weak minded subhumans are so jealous of the rich, they even have the gall to say that the rich should give them some of their wealth. What narcissism. People like that don’t even deserve the time of day.

      • Gordon

        TONY, if the richest 10% in this nation gave 100% of their actual net worth to the government……. that would not pay off the national debt and run the government with a balanced budget.

      • Gordon

        People comprehend this………16+ TTTrilion debt and growing by the second…….. a trillion is a thousand Billions….. a Billion is a thousand millions…… a Trillion is a million millions….. that is more net worth than all the millionaires in this nation combined. Grasp it, chew on it, can this system be saved???????

    • http://charter jo smith

      Where have you been for 4 years? You have had your head in the sand. Do your homework.

    • Gary

      Mark, you are correct on who started those fiascos but shouldn’t you acknowledge who could have stopped them but is actyally responsible for really getting them in high gear?

      • Chester

        Gary, I hate to tell you this, but you don’t stop a war by saying I quit and walk away unless you want to lose more people after you quit than while the war was officially going on. This isn’t a game of marbles or pickup basketball, where the worst thing to be hurt is your pride. If there is no negotiated end, every man, woman, and child who supported us would be prime execution targets, as would our troops as they gathered their stuff up to get ready to head for home.

    • Nelson

      Yo! MORE DEMOC-RATS are corporate pigs than Repubs. The richest give to Oblamer. You wanna stick with The Muslim-Commie In Chief, its your call, but get more facts before you lose your home. http://lindseywilliams101.blogspot.com/

    • Nadzieja Batki

      mark, scared that you may have to account for the entitlements you have been getting.

      • mark

        I am actually too young to receive any entitlements now. But when I retire in 15 years I do expect to receive at least some of the Social Security and Medicare benefits that I will have paid into for 51 years of my working life (I first paid into SSI when I was 16 and will be able to collect at 67). I’m sure given the demographic trends, these benefits will be reduced from what was promised but this is just a fact of fiscal life that all of us will have to deal with.

    • niccko

      Rape & rob are strong words and have no meaning in the american economy….what you mean is lawfully stealing by the use of laws in our congress….the divorce of the democratic party is their handling of the economy by redistributing only a part of the income from the corporate pigs that you identify as filthy rich americans…..everytime you enter a store see who owns it because your purchase supports it…in reference to the N.Korea entry for the democratts, go see for yourself how much competition there is for one government store…that’s you only choice…..we need a third party in our government.

  • daiamond1957

    So whats a person to do?, like in any divorce protect the money, and assets, I would like to say it was fun but it really wasnt, I wasnt sure about this from the begining, now I know I’m sure, its time for you to move on. Try Hollywood you’ve got a good sense of timing and you can even sing a few bars, and everybody there is paid more than their worth so you should fit right in.

  • Dick Caruthers

    All true & more where that came from

  • clemens harmon

    Dear Anyone whom going to vote for Romney, He does not know the truth if it bit him in the
    neck. I am going to vote for Obama no mattter what Romney or anybody says about Obama.

    • Dulceb

      Good, perhaps someone in the reprogrammming department of the USSA will be able to educate you on the use of proper grammar and spelling.
      They can take out any nasty tendencies to think for yourself too.
      After all, “If ignorance is bliss, tis folly to be wise.”
      Live it up, robot man.

    • http://charter jo smith

      Obama is always truthful .What plant do you live on?He is the biggest crook that ever lived. People like you are wareing blinders.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      clemons harmon, why did you come to this PLD site to may your announcement? Shouldn’t you go to one of your Democrat/Leftist sites and proclaim that you are one with them.

      • Norm

        Nadzieja Batki
        Let’s not confuse anyone with the facts.
        Let’s all join hands, recite Rush and Sean propaganda, and sing Hitler marching songs.

    • JC

      Thanks Clemons. We’ll be needing you to wear your hopey changey button for us too.
      Wouldn’t want you to go unnoticed now would we? ;-)

    • niccko

      Get use to being addressed as COMRADE harmon , not mr. get use to sharing everything you own, because it won’t be yours. have a great socialist life. comrade!

  • Gea

    Barry Hussein Satoro Obama is not competent to manage ANYTHING except marketing for used cars, in which he could sell some old junkyards cars for the price of Cadillac, because he is such a great story teller that he made millions on publishing his stories of make believe self-made man. He cleverly had learned to use political correctness to the maximum, while undermining American values.

    He is not only a Marxist (as both his father from Kenya and step-father from Indonesia were) but also a great proponent of Islam (both his father and step-father were Muslims with belief in multiple wives and women just as Mohamed was), both ideology totally incompatible with US Constitution and American values.

    Not only had Barry Hussein seeded up pushing America into the third world country by his Marxist policies, but Barry Hussein is living up to his middle name and is working actively on murdering Americans all over the world, by cavorting with Islamists of Muslim Brotherhood and white washing Islam. Together with CAIR, Barry Hussein is busy on undermining US Constitution, under the disguise of “respect for Islam”. While Islam has NO respect for ANYBODY who is not Muslim man, including Muslim women, Muslims in the US DEMAND RESPECT for their pedophile, polygamist, rapist and murderer, Mohamed, who in any decent society would be tried for multiple murders, rape, pedophilia and polygamy, and certainly not taken as a role model to emulate, which they did in Libya and other Muslim countries around the world, while Barry Hussein kept grovelling and apologizing for some Coptic guy telling truth about Mohamed.

    That is why they are trying to subvert US Constitution so that truth about Islam does not come out and that they can continue stealth jihad using Oval Office as a base, fulfilling their goal in destroying Western civilization and replacing it with only “:true and most perfect” religion of Islam. Terri Jones was right: Islam ITSELF stinks, and is the main cause of terrorism, and has no place in any decent society, that respects liberty and human rights. Muslim should REFORM it or go back where they came from to sharia run countries, rather than trying to impose it on Europeans, Australians and Americans.

  • matforce

    This girl is barking up the wrong tree!
    After 30 years of supply side economics, we are on the verge of becoming the Divided States of Plutocracy, and the crumbs that have “trickled down” aren’t much to live on because the Plutocrats have managed to practically keep it all. How? NAFTA (1994), GATT (1994 Uroguay version), WTO (1999), gave our gigantic manufacturing sector access to 3rd world labor (China- $1.36/hr. avg. wage) turning our “industrial belt” into the “rust belt” in just 18 years, and have introduced an intense downward pressure on wages here to compete, the lowest marginal tax rates since the Great Depression, Citizens United (2010) made it possible to buy elections, and the financial deregulation Gramm, Leach Bliley Act (1999) that made the world’s worst economic collapse since the Great Depression possible, and a tax code so full of loopholes, exemptions, credits, and subsidies for our “multinational” corporations that they actually incentivize the already lucrative corporate model of offshoring jobs for a higher profit margin.
    And instead of directing their anger toward the culprit and perpetrator of the Great Sell Out, they turn it toward those who’ve been displaced by a corporate model that has unleashed the job exodus of 9 million middle class jobs with impunity, and with no regard for their nation of origin, and dropped from the middle class into the growing realm of poverty.
    Efforts made to reverse this trend have been met by staunch resistence from those of our elected officials who our mighty Plutocrats have bought and paid for…
    For an example: see S3816 (2010), what it contained and how they voted!

  • tony

    Here is the father who has brought the Democratic Party into the depths of HELL , Listen to him Carefully and research his past statements and the NSSM200 study he did that is the Blue Print we see being implemented today , and yes he has been to every state dinner since Obama took office so tell me he is not seeing his American Dream come true ??? Dr. Kissinger Obama Will Create A New World Order http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WO0cYshoMyY#!

  • Patriot

    Dear American,
    Sorry to inform you that your guy in the White House hasn’t done a whole lot for the working class in this country either. Under prior administrations that you dislike so much I experienced much growth in my career. I had frequent pay raises. My company was able to buy new equipment and update facilities. My health insurance was stellar and now it barely covers anything yet I pay more. All of this has happened in the last 3 years. Your guy seems to still be fighting for freedom for the same folks as the last guy, because we are still in the middle east with more Americans dying in Afganistan in the last 3+ years than in the previous 4 years. There is no oil in Afganistan and I don’t see us getting alot of oil from Iraq. Being a union guy I would think that you like Haliburton since they employ a whole lot of union slackers. Your guy had a chance to make it better, but the only ones he did anything for were the people who were going to get him re-elected. The rest of us are still taking it in the rear. You my friend are what I call the new American. A victim. One who hates the hand that feeds him. Complain about a mans success yet and take his money without shame. Money he worked for. Not you. You believe that you are entitled to all things required to live just by being a citizen of the US. That my friend is Socialism. If you like socialism move to a country who has a socialist gov’t. You will be much happier there and WE patriots will be much happier without you.

    • boyscout

      Patriot, no one is looking for oil in Afghanistan. THEY wan the rare earth elements that are vital to the manufacture of computer components, LEDs, flat screens, and emerging technologies. It’s still the money.

  • Tom

    The truth is Clemens is Obama and the Libs are taking the country down in flames. Oh you must be one of the government hand out people you know thw ones who live off the dole of the government. Which one are you on SSDI, Welfare, Unemployment, or SSDI because your unemployment ran out? We the people are tired of supporting you LSOB’s

    • jon ayers

      hey dodo i have been on my own since i was 16, i’m a retired marine
      and since i am now 63 i’m going to retire and collect ssi an take it easy.
      besides i feel that i earned it . so shut up. jon a.

      • http://Nowebsite John DeLellis

        Please Sir, this is not about you getting SS checks. It’s about getting your checks after Obama gets in . He has spent all our money and is printing up billions more. Fake money! The big ,”0″, has never made a dime in his life. He just knows how to spend other people’s money. He has sent our money all over the world . Your kids or my kids will never see it. He has spent 31/2 times in 3 years as Bush spent in 8. At least Romney is a pro. At creating a lot of money and 1000′s of jobs. What would you rather hear; There’s no more money, Folks! Sorry no checks. OR, OUR ECONOMY IS BACK ON TRACK, MY AMERICAN FRIENDS. YOUR CHECKS WILL NOT BE INTERRUPTED!! there coming on time.

      • Gordon

        Tom, Jon, John. Lots of big talk going on. Facts are we killed all our manufacturing jobs. People today work at McDonalds so they can eat at KFC. This summer I took a temporary job 250 miles away to work 10 weeks. Can’t live there, knew it was temporary, like 90% of all available jobs today. What next? Drive 2 hrs a day for $8 hr part time? What happened to my real job? fired for refusing to falsify federal records. That company has been hit 3 times since with medicare fraud, etc. Lots of people want to work, but where? Something is better than nothing? Tell that to the electric company… tell them that you only are going to pay 1/3 of your bill because you are only making 1/4 of the money. See how that works for ya.

    • Debra

      Tom, be careful.
      Not every person who is on ssdi is a lazy bum. That was set up as part of a safety net for people in trouble. I could give you many examples of situations where it is needed. Saying that, there still may be some who take advantage but no one is talking about the people who are being honest.
      And honest to goodness, people still on unemployment is that way because there are still no jobs available. Obama can’t do anything to get more jobs going. Get him out of office so we can get some real government going on. It would be nice if we still had Reagan here. He did more to turn the economy around and produce jobs faster than anyone who has ever held that office before. I remember! I told my husband when Clinton took office that it was very nice for him because everything was in pretty good shape so all he has to do is keep the same things going. He did. He had so much free time all he did was play around with Monica in the oval office.

  • http://Nowebsite John DeLellis

    Dear PLD, fantastic!!! Great ! I, like you, would like to knock every Democrat on their ,” God condemned ass”. Back in my school days these mixed-up creatures never made sense . In forty years , as you say, the Dems. have brought condemnation upon our lovely, beautiful, and great Nation by pounding their ideal into our stupid and timid heads. They have used every vice imaginable. I watched ,”Occupied nonsense”, and to my horror and shock; I downloaded a video of about 5000 young beautiful and well dressed young people (about 25 years old), chanting ,”WE HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE SEX WITH ANYBODY OR ANYTHING WE WANT . INCLUDING SEX WITH ANIMALS”. My jaw was on the floor. I was waiting for them to start laughing — but no one laughed . They were dead serious. I showed this to my liberal family and to my sad disbelief they said,” Well it’s not everyone “. How , my friend, are we going to get through to these hopeless creatures? They look at Romney like he’s the man that’s going to take away their fun. They look at this evil fool Obama like he’s Moses. The left and right move in parallel line of thought never to cross paths or listen to TRUTH. Liberals always say to me , “That’s conservative bias”. How are we going to stop town in their destructive path. There is only ONE chance. Let’s all get down on our knees and BEG GOD to forgive us for trying to be the next,” Sodom and Gomorra”. Maybe there’s a slim chance that he’ll give us a Romney.

    • deerinwater

      You might consider a doctor’s visit ~ John DeLellis

      There is relief from anguish and anxiety, it’s not necessary to live in such pain and suffering.

      • http://Nowebsite John DeLellis

        Can you recommend one , you know , the one you have been visiting for years.

      • deerinwater

        Certainly ! Mental health is not an accident. In a world full of dysfunctional people, don’t take good mental health for granted, it takes work and effort as the walking wounded are all around you attempting to pull you down to their level, as misery truly does love company.

    • Gordon

      JOhn, I actually know a retired age obama liberal who is going to vote for him again, he thinks that obama is the greatest thing that ever happened to this country. This liberal actually told me that he is considering buying a gun to protect his wife from rioters and looters. (He has never owned a gun in his life)…. did I miss something?

  • Whatzrname

    Couldn’t have said it better!

  • http://www.gov-truth.com Ed

    If you believe Bush had ANYTHING to do with our current worldwide financial crisis, you owe it to yourself to go to http://www.gov-truth.com and download “Siren’s Song – America’s Betrayal”. Spread the truth. Pass this site along to your friends.

    • Steve E

      Another Democrat parrot talking point. It’s all Bush’s fault. Can’t you guys think of something better to say?

      • Smilee

        John DeLellis says:
        September 25, 2012 at 9:51 am

        Bush was the creator of the mess, It is Obama’s misfortune to have clean up his mess, and we all know it never takes as long to make a mess than it does to clean it up. This mess will take 10 years or more to get us back to normal regardless of whom is in office, Many far right call him the messiah and apparently expect him to perform miracles which no human can. If we would have had a congress willing to help improve things rather that to have as their priority to make him a one term president no doubt things would have been somewhat better by now but still no where near being back to where we were before the 2007-9 deep recession. Clinton said the answer was “Arithmetic” and that would clear up a lot of the fog so prevalent on here but that not only takes a knowledge of math but an open mind and as long as so many do nothing on here but rant and rave that’s not likely to happen at least here.

      • Smilee

        I above post was suppose to be in response to Steve E

      • jopa

        Steve E And I suppose you want us to forget about Hitler and the holocaust?

        • Deerinwater

          No, ~ It’s your fault for supporting the SOB and a administration of liars and thieves for 8 drawn out long years.

      • JC

        Smilee says:

        September 25, 2012 at 10:29 am

        John DeLellis says:
        September 25, 2012 at 9:51 am

        Bush was the creator of the mess, It is Obama’s misfortune to have clean up his mess, and we all know it never takes as long to make a mess than it does to clean it up.
        ________________________________________________________________________

        Are you referring to the sub prime melt down that threw the entire planet into financial turmoil? The one that was started when The Clintons and their Kenyan pal took the reins off of Fannie and Freddie and let everybody who could sign an X borrow money? You know, so that they could ALL own a home? What a great Liberal policy that turned out to be…Accept that it was a ticking time bomb that Bush inherited and now the same Kenyan low life that helped instigate it is doing his best to blame the guy that inherited HIS mess.
        What a bunch of Propogandist BULL you people are spewing.

      • Smilee

        JC says:
        September 25, 2012 at 11:52 am

        Boy are you one mixed up confused dude!! First the concept of bundling and other toxic bank instruments was hatched at Citigroup and spread throughout most of the world, True in started in the nineties with full support of the GOP and Bush with most of his years with a GOP congress only made things a lot worse with it coming to a climax in 2007-8. In his eight years in office he had time to stop it but did nothing but make it worse until his last year when he started to see it for what is was but then it was to late and he had no choice but to turn the mess over to Obama. Obama did inherit his mess and only a fool would say otherwise. Even many republicans admit that. You can voice your own opinions but you cannot create your own set of facts only a fool does that. You come off as a real fool!

      • JC

        1977 – Democratic President Jimmy Carter Passes “Community Reinvestment Act,” or CRA, designed to encourage banks to reach out to low income communities by offering loans to minorities and the poor.
        1995 – Democratic President Bill Clinton revises CRA by making banks meet a quota for a certain number of low income loans. He also increases punishment for banks that dont loan enough money to low income borrowers. This forces banks to write lots of loans that they would not otherwise have written, because the government is forcing them to.
        1999 – Democratic President Bill Clinton signs and endorses the “Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act,” or GLBA, designed to make banks profitable in good economic times, as well as poor economic times. The bill allows consumer banks (think checking accounts, savings accounts, etc..) to merge with insurance companies and investment companies, so they all can make money. BUT for a bank to qualify to be a part of the program, you had to have a high CRA score, meaning that you had to have a lot of loans written to low income people. The government was effectively telling banks that if they wanted to be allowed to make money off of the investments of the rich, that they had to also be lending money to the poor. Nice in theory, but look where it has gotten us. Now we are a nation with a bunch of people losing homes they never could afford, and a bunch of banks collapsing because nobody can pay them back!
        Thanks Democrats

      • Smilee

        JC says:
        September 25, 2012 at 6:04 pm

        Like I said before you are confused and lack the real knowledge of the 07-08 economic collapse as none of what you cite are the reasons for it, it was toxic bank instruments of various type that began in Citibank group and they had nothing to do with these laws. The repeal of Glass Stegal did though and Senator Dorgan during debate for repeal said if we repeal it we will have a collapsed economy within ten years, that was in 1999 and he predicated it correctly, this was a bipartisan vote and Clinton signed it but Dorgan and some of the democrats did not vote for it.

      • JC

        I’m not in the least confused. I posted facts. You’re posting conjecture.

        • Deerinwater

          Right wing blogs site are an alternate universe when it comes to discouraging factual information and prefer to create their own, in particularly how we managed to find our nation in such a mess. Finding it better for them to direct our attention to 1813 and the creation of the FED with great clarity and excel with factual information at this point and time in history while W’s more current, 8 year tenure from 1990 to 1998 is very fuzzy to them.

          This “Pin the blame on the donkey” is a lots of fun and they have developed a excellent strategy of denial, end run plays, bate and switch, guilt by association, making erroneous claims that vary from playful embellishments to bald face lies to avoid debating one of the largest National and International debacles and embarrassments in American History.

          They simply are not ready to discuss it, knowing that any attempt to defend the undefendable is a loosing preposition, as grown men and women, they would rather stick their fingers in their ears and sing La La La La La until you offer a subject they are willing to discuss. ~ or they will get very nasty and hurt your feeling, which of course is a mere ruse of a distraction to lure focus off topic.

          Stupid is a powerful weapon!

          I have little doubt, ~ this degree of dysfunctional behavior displayed is inherent, preached, practiced and emulated by a solid 30% of self labeled conservatives and is actually manipulated and used by the remaining 70% like you might employ an attack dog with no teeth but a big bark and growl.

  • Mij Relletsom

    Now hear this: Democrats can’t discern the truth vs. the B S. Appears that they will follow their leader over a cliff, if directed. Such a shame that Liberals cannot stand on their own. Bottom Line: Obama is a GREAT story teller and Democrats are GREAT listeners and sad DOERS.

  • CBUETT

    Hey Democrats, Ditto on what Patriot just posted!

  • Dave67

    Dear Republicans and Conservatives,

    We have been together for a long time and unfortunately, liars like Ben Crystal can’t get past this thing I like to call a record.

    National Security:

    The two largest attacked by foreigners on US interests have been under Conservative/GOP watches…

    Ronald Reagan and the Marine Corp barracks attack… Over 200 Marines killed… Reagan’s response?

    Cut and Run

    George W Bush and the 9-11 attacks. Almost 3000 Americans dead…
    Bush’s response?

    Invade Iraq and botch the war in Afghanistan badly.

    Lets move on to fiscal responsibility…

    Ronald Reagan through his tax cut and spend policies TRIPLED the US debt in 8 years and laid the ground work for the new corptocracy and plutocracy. While middle class wages stagnated, the wealth did great. Oh and the size of the Fed Gov grew

    George H Bush DOUBLED the US debt

    George W Bush went from paying down debt to DOUBLING the US debt again by doling out tax cuts, going into two badly done wars. Bush made sure the only people sacrificing during these two wars were military families which shows the ultimate disdain for the military. The Size of the Fed Gov also grew

    Mitt Romeny saddled MA with huge debt and they love him so much that he is down 28 points in the latest polls. His partner Paul Ryan now fancies himself as a fiscal conservative… Well his record of voting for the wars, tax cuts, Medicare “reform” and countless other pork for his state shows otherwise.

    Conservatives, you have spent the last 30 years taking credit for everything right, blaming others for things you did wrong… Since 2009, you have engaged in obstructionism, lying about Obama and his record, hell your RNC convention’s first day’s theme is based on the complete lie of “You didn’t build it”. Your party is dying, dying because you support a plutocracy that will lead to this country’s downfall, you find scapegoats in homosexuals and illegals and you believe men, not women know more about women’s health.

    You are awesome at bumpersticker and dirty politics, you just do not know how to lead or the positive role the gov can play in our society. So as you continue to see the old while male vote die off, you will be forced to change from your right wing extremist agenda. It will be a slow death because women, hispanics, blacks, and young people… they don’t like you or the closed minded BS you stand for. So enjoy your last gasps while it last and be sure to take many pictures… because the end is coming…

    • Doc Sarvis

      Dave67
      Good post. Thanks.

    • Kay

      You just won the Useful Idiot award for October. Unbelievable!!

      • Doc Sarvis

        You could at least wait until October.

      • Dave67

        What is unbelievable Kay is that conservatives swallow this BS they get fed from Breitbart, Fox, Rush and the other right wing loon sites. There is a very good reason why Tricky Mitt won’t go into ANY details about his fiscal numbers.

        If you want war with Iran? Vote Romney

        You want the banksters to have a free hand? Vote Romney

        You want greater debt? Vote Romney

        WE have see what conservatives have done with all the power (see 2001-2006) and the record is pathetic.

        You can’t shine up that turd.

      • Kate8

        Dave – You could say the same things and substitute ‘democrat’ and ‘Vote Obama’ and still be accurate.

        Haven’t you yet gotten that all serve the same bosses?

        Are you a slow learner, or just blind?

    • JC

      Alinsky – Cloward Piven technique…take everything you’ve been doing and say someone else has been doing it. Tired and old…

      • Dave67

        JC,

        Sorry if you don’t like the conservative record for the past 30 years…. oh… thats right… when conservatives get into power and spend like drunken sailors and show their complete incompetence.. they are no longer conservatives… they are neo-conservatives because conservatives are never responsible.

        So predictable and wrong.

      • JC

        I rest my case.

      • Dave67

        You have to make a case before you can rest it JC.

        See if I were to make the case you are talking about….

        I would make it like this.

        The GOP claims the Dems spend money like its going out of style but when given their opportunity to show their fiscal responsible metal… They fail…

        Case in point…

        Ronald Reagan NEVER submitted a balanced budget

        Second case:

        George W Bush and the GOP Congress from 2001-2006. Exploded our debt with wars, tax cuts and pork.

        So the GOP accuse the Dems of what they do themselves…

        Does this help you out JC? You seem more confused than usual.

      • cawmun cents

        He doesnt get that he has become that which he hates,JC.
        That is most hilarious……
        Thanks for the laugh KG.
        Everyone can serve as an example…even if its a bad one.
        Cheers!
        -CC.

      • JC

        Dave67 says:
        September 25, 2012 at 2:34 pm
        You have to make a case before you can rest it JC.
        _____________________________________________________________
        I rarely argue with cancerous traitors to the US…you’re just not worth it.

      • Kate8

        JC – Good policy. It does no good, anyway. We now have the inmates running the asylum, and those who defend liberty and the Constitution being called mentally ill and dangerous.

        Talk about upside-down. Wonderland…where nothing makes sense anymore.

      • Dave67

        Oh JC, who died and made you judge of who is patriotic and who is a traitor to OUR country?

      • JC

        A whole lot of farmers and shopkeepers died and left all of us patriots with with what I believe is the finest legal document in history as our barometer by which we patriots may sit in judgement of all of you who advocate Big Government and collectivism.
        And judge you we will.

  • http://google James Prell

    We have got to get the Clinton’s back in the White House. If we can get Hillary sworn in as President she will do four things; #1. She will get her husband’s law-license re-instated. She will appoint him to the Justice Department as Attorney-General. #2. By getting legal-cover like this she will be able to appoint two of her favorite campaign donors. #3. She will appoint James Riady as Secretary of State. This will give the Clinton’s un-limited access to direct bribes from foreign-governments. #4. She will appoint Marc Rich as leader of the Commerce Department. (This man is a genius at getting access to people who hold high-public office ! He will be able to bypass and buy off highly placed political-office holder’s in foreign governments ! Indeed, he has been able to do the same with office-holder’s in the American-government ! Hillary needs a highly-talented businessman like this to advance the American trade-policy overseas.)

    • Dave67

      NAFTA? Relaxing credit rules for unqualified home buyers?

      No thank you. Clinton and Reagan are large parts of the problem, not the solution.

  • http://Yahoo.com Bill

    After reading all these posts, let me put in my 2 cents. The Dems can rag on Romney as much as they want, I don’t care. As far as the Reps posting here, you really don’t have a choice – support Romney or see Obama for another 4 years. According to all the polls (only one that matters is in November), Romney is losing. This is the problem – Even though Romney was a gov, I really don’t consider him a politician. I look at Romney as a smart, savy business man, and personally, I think that’s what this country needs. Once elected, I think he will surprise a lot of people – Dems and Rep alike.

    • WillytheGeek

      Are you really going to believe the polls of a biased, paid off, bailed out and threatened press? There is only one poll that counts and it will be taken on Nov 6th. There are a lot of people who don’t participate in polling because of the B.S. Just go vote, you may be surprised.

    • Smilee

      Bill says:
      September 25, 2012 at 8:48 am

      Running a government requires a very different skill set than running a business and Romney has shown us in MA he was not very good at that and that is why the polls in MA now show him down there by 28 points because people there know that. Business men make the worst presidents, George W was a business man so was Herbert Hoover the two men whom were our presidents when we went into the two worst economic downturns in our history, I fear Romney will be a disaster for the country even though he may be a master at running say GM

    • WILDFIRE

      Polls you see and read about claiming Romney is losing and Obama is winning are manipulated and conjured by the left wing nuts in attempts to convince the uniformed to lean toward voting for the winner.
      People who do not engage and inform them self of the facts and simply glance at the score board from time to time always lean towards and cheer the winning team and not the underdog. If people are cheering a name, the uniformed join in without reason just because they follow what they think the majority of others are doing is right.

      Look at the OWS groups, most of them interviewed had no idea what they were protesting or why, they just followed the masses.

      The MSM and other liberal media outlets know that if they constantly and continually advertise false statements and lies and biased polls that they will be able to manipulate the lesser informed voters to vote Dem without actual knowledge of who or why they are voting for them.

      Take Dem Eric Holder for example on his theory of manipulation of the people. He clearly and precisely stated that keep repeating it and “brainwash” the people. In that example, he was referring to brainwashing people into thinking that firearms are a bad thing. But the Democrats use that theory for everything.

      Here is an example of how the Democrats use brainwashing theory to manipulate mind control rather than laying out the facts and letting people think for them self they take the path of mind control, brainwashing and manipulation.

    • LC

      Lets be clear! Romney IS NOT a business man, he is an INVESTOR. (read wikpedia) He DOES NOT create jobs! He creates money, by dismantling businesses, for himself and his buddies!
      WHAT’S HIS NEXT BUSINESS? AMERICA!!

      1) Romney soon switched Bain Capital’s focus from startups to the relatively new business of leveraged buyouts: buying existing firms with money mostly borrowed from banking institutions and using the NEWLY BOUGHT FIRMS’ ASSETS AS COLLATERAL,and SELLING THEM OFF in a few years.
      2)Bain Capital’s leveraged buyouts sometimes led to layoffs, either soon after acquisition or later after the firm had left.
      3)In any case, maximizing the value of acquired companies and the return to Bain’s investors, not job creation, was the firm’s fundamental goal.

      Bain would have never existed if Romney didn’t have it his way. Which was investment with no risk or responsibility of loss;

      1)In 1984, Romney left Bain & Company to co-found the spin-off private equity investment firm, Bain Capital.[75] (He had initially refrained from accepting Bill Bain’s offer to head the new venture, until Bain re-arranged the terms in a complicated partnership structure so that there was NO FINANCIAL OR PROFESSIONAL RISK to Romney.

      As for his effort and success with Bain! Benefits and takes credit for others hard work;

      1)Romney discovered few investment opportunities himself (and those that he did, often failed to make money for the firm).
      2)He wanted to drop a Bain Capital hedge fund that initially lost money, but other partners prevailed and it eventually gained billions.

      A decent, honest, morally sound person? Think again!

      1)Romney was on the board of directors of Damon Corporation, a medical testing company later found guilty of defrauding the government (who is the gov’t? US!!); Bain Capital tripled its investment before selling off the company, and the fraud was discovered by the new owners (Romney was never implicated).
      2)Dade Behring was another case where Bain Capital received an eightfold return on its investment, but the company itself was saddled with debt and laid off over a thousand employees before Bain Capital exited (the company subsequently went into bankruptcy, with more layoffs, before recovering and prospering).Bain was among the private equity firms that took the most fees in such cases.

      I know that most of you wouldn’t take the time to research the person that you would like to see as our next leader so I did it for you. But don’t take my word for it, go there yourselves.

      And before you jump on me about supporting Oblanko,”He has definetly got to go!!” The guy is a socialist pig globalist who considers all Americans as the 99% and would like nothing better to have US become a third world country!

      So what’s the answer? There is 535 other positions to be concerned with and in reality they are far more important than the presidency. If America really wants to make some change towards a better future that would be the first place to start.Vote in candidates that;
      1)Support and uphold the Constitution!
      2)Create laws that protect American jobs!
      3)Stop foreign funding and aide!
      4)Reinforce import tariffs!
      5)End visa programs!
      6)Remove all rights of illegals and their anchor babies! Their not American so why should they have them in the first place.
      7)Drug testing for entitlements! It’s ok to have employment drug testing but not for hand outs?
      8)Stop all immigration! Set up military bases along borders. Shoot to kill,it’ll stop.
      9)Federal Capital Punishment with daily televised executions for rapists,child molestors,and aggressive violent repeat offenders.
      10)Set up task forces to investigate all SS numbers. Wages war on identity theft,illegal immigration,entitlement fraud and no drug use policies,prevents the further use of expired SS numbers.
      11)ALL pay equal percentage of taxes including Businesses!
      12)Increase minimum wage to at least $10/hr.
      13)End war and apply military spending to protect our country from invaders.
      14)All invest in America only! No more tax evasion using offshore accounts.
      15)End the fed reserve and move toward central banking.
      We have plenty to fix here at home and plenty of resource to be self sufficeint. We can and always have found ways to make this GREAT nation thrive. it is time to do just that. If we need it we will build it!
      MAKE AMERICA HAPPEN AGAIN!!!!!

      • JC

        A lot of good points there.
        Certainly Romney is merely the lesser of two weasels.

        • Deerinwater

          All depends on your point of view, dry or wet.

      • deerinwater

        6)Remove all rights of illegals and their anchor babies! Their not American so why should they have them in the first place

        You lost me there LC ~~~~~~~~~ babies are just babies guilty of being born ~ we got 13 and 18 yer old anchor babies. I understand what you are attempting to offer but it get more complicated then you might think.

        There is a argument of law that is somewhat odd regarding rights and access that could possibly apply.

        To openly and willfully ignore a right or law or a violation for years and then one day jump and attempt to enforce it does not fair well in a court of law.

        for example; You can not deny someone access to their property by denying them access to yours.

        and for the record, ~ there is no comparison between between MItt Romney and OBama other then the fact they are contender for the same position.

        If you would like to see people that made 250,000 per year claim the distinction of being “middle class” Romney is your kind of guy.

  • Sam

    If we reelect Obama, we will certainly become a full blown socialist country in very short order. Why anyone would want to give up his freedoms and become a government drone with no future is beyond me. Even worse, why would anyone want to be lorded over by an arrogant, dishonest, Muslim of unknown origins. We seem to have truly lost our way.

    • Norm

      The truth is that the old Mass. Governor Romney was slightly to the left of Obama. He even got endorsements from Jimmy Carter and George Soros!
      The new Flip Romney is a liar and a sham. He’s is all over in his opinions because he’s “faking it” to placate the right wing nuts.
      Mr. Romney you can’t have it both ways!

      • WILDFIRE

        It is no secret that Romney is simply an extension of Obama, He was placed into the GOP with the assistance of the MSM because knowing that there must be 2 parties the liberals wanted to dress Romney in a Republican suit knowing that his true intentions are left leaning. The old adage: “you put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig”, holds true here. This is no secret, but even still, We have to deal with what we are handed and accepting the lesser of the 2 evils is Romney. Obama has not and never will hold his allegiance to this Country by which he is not a part of this Country and only wants to be a part of its transformation into a 3rd world Country by which he is more familiar to.

        Romney on the other hand was not raised and brainwashed to be a socialist /communist radical as Obama was raised and his wife was raised to be proud of her Country her whole life not just if and when her husband is elected to be President as Michelle Obama has lived her life in a Country by which she has never been proud of until she was able to ride her husbands coat tails into a lavish and luxurious lifestyle on the tax payers dole, only then has she become proud of her Country for the first time, knowing that the tax payers will hand her countless lavish vacations and clothing for her as well as all her friends on the tax payers dole. How many people congregate around lawyers and attorneys because they simply like their attitudes and character. Anyone with half a knowledge of lawyers and attorneys know they all lie on a daily basis and the only reason one cares to be around them is to mooch off the money they have stolen from their clients and County commissioners.

        How many of those friends that Moochele picks up the tab to whisk off on lavish vacations on the Americans dole would still be friends with her if she wasn’t in the White House with access to unlimited vacationing funds?

  • TexasRide

    Ben, very entertaining and a whole lot of TRUTH!

    Just a few suggestions how to divide the community assets. Since both sides are so different and have disparate tastes, it should be easy.

    First the Dems can keep redistributive taxes, progressives, the liberal judges and the ACLU! We will take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and our military!

    The Dems can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie McDonnell. It will be a BIG job trying to transport these BIG names in a Volt. We will keep capitalism, working Americans, corporations, Wal-Mart and Wall Street.

    I am sure the Dems need their beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies, OWS, and illegal aliens. We want the hot Alskan hockey moms, CEOs and our gun toting rednecks that cling to their bibles.

    Dems can have NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSN and Hollywood. We will keep our bibles and our religion.

    Dems should keep their friends like Iran and Palestine, Hamas, and the other terrorists and we will retain the right to invade and hammer the places that threaten us and murder our ambassador.

    Lets not forget to let the Dems have their peaceniks and war protestors, we will keep our right to provide our allies security and protect ourselves when we are under assault.

    The Dems are welcome to Islam (in fact, we insist that you take it with you) along with Scientology, Humanism, drug cartels and their other criminal friends. We will keep our Judeo-Christian values, our patriotism, the flag, Battle Hymn of the Republic, our National Anthem and our Constituion.

    You Dems can keep obamacare(even though most Dems have exemptions from this plan) if you can find any practicing doctors. We will keep the finest medical care in the world and pay our healthcare givers enough to make a good living.

    Dems can keep spending their money on little green cars, bankrupt corporations, and we will keep our big 450 engines and Ford. Dems can also keep their windmills, and we will retain and develop our oil and gas resources.

    At the end of five years, we will see which half of the country is prospering and which is penniless. My money is on the side of the conservative, responsible, hard-working Americans that have kept the Constitution along with their right to be a free, independent people.

  • monica balsan

    I am 53 and NEVER worked so hard in my life. This is not working for me. I keep telling myself be gratefull you have a job while everyone else around me gets a check from God knows who. I will vote for Gary Johnson out of pure disgust!

  • Capitalist at Birth

    I predicted the current trends in our once great nation in 1965, I argued with my Communist teacher in my Sociology class that Communism has never worked and never will, simply because it is contrary to human nature. I was right that the sheeple in this country would become so brainwashed that they would vote to steal from their fellow citizens who happen to have EARNED more than they. That there would be enough to tip the balance in their favor and destroy the economic engine of the free market. There will be a two class society coming to a theater near you. The wealthy ruling elite and the rest of us who will share in what is left, despair and hopelessness. Just like “Animal Farm” by George Orwell. I pray that I was and am wrong. God Bless America.

    • Gordon

      Holy Sxxxxx. Did we go to the same school? Could there have been more than one actual communist party member sociology teacher? I said then, some remember, that “someday these freaks will be running this country.” “By the time we retire gasoline will be $5 gallon and there won’t be any SS.” Grandpa foretold the asian/foreign manufacturing supremacy. “The government will bankrupt this country.” Scares the sxxx out of me that I was right. Grandpa also said, “The next depression will make the 30s look like a church picnic.”

    • deerinwater

      So you are telling us you foreseen the Third Wave ~ the information age back in 1965?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave_(Toffler

      You missed your calling then CaB

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  • SarahR

    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its’ inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…..Winston Churchill

    • JC

      “The price of greatness is responsibility.”
      Winston Churchill

  • 45caliber

    When I grew up in AR, everyone was a Democrat. In fact, the whole South was. But then the Demos took over. Now the South is Republican but it isn’t their fault. You Demos just moved off and left us for all those minority groups you were certain would give you the edge in voter numbers. For some reason it never occurred to you that the Democrats who were working were the ones who were going to cover all the costs of buying those votes – and that they wouldn’t like it. You have only yourself to blame. Quit believing that the voters here in the South are stupid. We didn’t leave you – you left us.

    • deerinwater

      It was Jesse Jackson and his rainbow’s activities coupled with the DNC stance with Gays is what split the democrats up is my thinking on it 45. The Dixiecrats moved over to the GOP. I see it in the TEA Party, I see it in the GOP.

      Of course right wingers thinking is flawed in believing any person not on their side is a democrat. ~ According to this view point, everyone on welfare, in jail, out of work, does drugs, has abortions, or in general disagrees with them and don’t ever go to church is a democrat.

      A brighter person would know that is simply no so.

  • mr Jan Haveman

    ” but I’d rather risk your wrath then his,if you get my drift ”

    I do not fear “him” ,but sure do fear “his” messengers

  • Norm

    The Conservative messiah:

    Spooky guy George Soros, gave his endorsement to none other than Mitt Romney for the Republican nomination. The reason why George Soros chose Romney is as he says, there isn’t a bit of difference between liberal…uh hem…. moderate Republican Mitt Romney and Democratic President Barack Obama.

    Jimmy Carter:
    “I’m not taking a position, but I would be very pleased to see him win the Republican nomination,” Carter told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow. “I don’t think anybody is going to beat (President) Obama next year. But my preference obviously would be for his religious faith not to be an adverse factor in the choices made about who should be representing the Republican Party.”

    As the Wall Street Journal noted, ” the health reform Mr. Romney passed in 2006 as Massachusetts governor was the prototype for President Obama’s version and gave national health care a huge political boost.” Michael Cannon of the Cato Institute, was more to the point. “It doesn’t even seem fair to call them similarities, it seems like they’re identicalities,”

    Mitt Romney is nothing more than a strident liberal masquerading as a moderate. As Selwyn Duke rightly wrote in 2007, Romney is the Barack Obama of the GOP. Every Republican has made his share of mistakes, but Romney is a committed liberal on the whole spectrum of issues.

    • Gordon

      Please study Romneycare. You will discover that the liberal Mass. congress changed Romney’s proposals and passed it into law. Romney VETOED it. They overroad his veto. Romney’s liberal successor added more and got it rammed in. Original Romneycare was not what you think. I’m not defending the whole thing, only the premise that the media has destroyed the truth.

  • Deerinwater

    Well, regaining control over how money is created is a major concern that both parties elect to ignore. Clearly neither enjoyed hearing Ron Paul’s message.

    This ruse of playing both ends against the middle on the part of both parties just to win election by too many candidates that are willing to sit still for a party nose ring is only digging us a deeper hole to crawl out of.

    We need a strong dollar while we can’t stop and focus on just a single need and permit other pressing needs to go unaddressed.

    The current administration has taken three and half years to bring the ship of state about as we set a course for deeper waters. The USS America is a huge ship, helm response is slow to any course correction. We need to stay clear of swallow waters and rocky shoals. She’s a blue water vessel, taking a deep draw and wide of beam, requiring lots of room.

    Now we as discussing a new Captains tenure as many of us refuses to acknowledged a stellar job of fine boat handling that 44 has displayed. After the greatest stretch of job loss in 60 years, the numbers are now headed in the right direction, Banks are now starting to lending again, Wall Street trading is brisk, we had avoided International boots on the ground comittments as the Muslim world has exploded while 23% of the world population attempts unseat entrenched power and come into the 21 Century and the stand down in Afghanistan is still in progress.

    If you are one of those people that believed the old health care system was working can only mean one thing, “IT was working for You” , I do understand that. ~ but you need to understand that it wasn’t working for enough Americans. It was employer based, and federally subsidized to a select few, depending heavily on local and federal taxes and charity to fill-in the huge gaps.

    A few years ago, no Insurer would not even sell me a policy, I was declined , I was too small, not part of a group and just too old and failed to fit insurer’s notion of a target market. Insurers can no longer discriminate like they have in years past.

    That everyone is being asked to contribute to their own health care should not be upsetting to people that believe self reliance and personal responsibility is part of the American experience.

    These predator credit card companies have been brought to heel, now having limits to just how bad they can screw us over with all the surcharges, penalties and interest. ( I don’t have one myself, but most people do)

    US Airlines, can no longer keep you held hostage on the tarmac, buckled up in your seat ~ They must now return to the terminal and allow passengers to disembark the craft if lift off doesn’t occur in a timely manner.

    Student are no longer at the mercy of stick fingered bankers as our government now sees fit to invest in our young people, our future.

    It’s Johnson or Obama vote for myself and I really don’t believe 44 needs my help.

    • Kay

      Damned if I’ll sell out to socialism so you can have insurance. Hey, I’d probably end up getting the bill for yours anyway, so I’ll just vote against Obama period.

      • deerinwater

        You have already sold out to socialism Madam. You are just annoyed that you are being asked to pay for it, having enjoyed the up side of it for so long ~ that you feel more entitled then others.

        That my tax dollars went to subsidize health care insurance premiums for the well employed, yet as an independent was denied coverage, ~ you did not mind socialism then, what is so different about it now Kay?

      • JC

        Would you please tell us what the “up side” of being robbed blind to pay for the lazy is again? I forget…

      • Nadzieja Batki

        deerinwater, you don’t seem to know how insurance works. If you have insurance and pay into it every month but never use it why not make a choice and dump it and invest the money for yourself. No one forced your hand to buy insurance.

        • Deerinwater

          Maybe you fail to recognize the cost of health care Nadzieja Batki. ~ Even a wise investor hedges his bets. It’s understandable that you might feel as you do ~ if you have not experienced major heath care first hand or help with the aging.

          Maybe you have much more money then I do and can invest and enjoy such great “returns” , I can’t.

          I’m working a modest 1 million ~ and 20,000 dollars is a serious hickey to overcome. We buried father back in December, ~ spending 73,000.00 in 2 months while he hung on by a thread.

          enjoy this open blog conversation ; The question was how much does ICU cost?

          Aug 26, ’09 by angle85
          In my hospital its need btw 500$ to 2000$ in 24 hrs if ther is no sugical interventions

          Sep 3, ’09 by sicushells
          Quote from bucknangler
          In my facility, an incintive spirometer is $250
          What?! At my facility they cost maybe $10.

          Sep 6, ’09 by WindwardOahuRN
          Quote from sicushells
          What?! At my facility they cost maybe $10.
          Nothing in ICU is $10. Oh…maybe a Q-tip.
          I have to laugh at this thread. My husband was in a CCU 16 years ago and he got charged $37 for a “urinary care kit.”
          He was never catheterized. All he got was a plastic urinal.
          Gotta love it.
          blackandyellow likes this.

          Sep 6, ’09 by chademack
          Let me give you an idea of cost. In San Jose Ca, where I worked in the hospital in the ER, i developed a severe stomach ache after eating shrimp… went to my ED I received 4mg Zofran, 2 liters NS, had my blood drawn and got an ABD CT and left 4 hours later…. what was my bill $16,583. I could have stayed home and bought a really nice used car. The same CT scan in Alabama cost 3k where in Ca is cost 7k. Same machine. Hospitals charge what ever they can get away with. That is why some of the worste MD’s are allowed to practice because they make the hospital money through felonious charges.

          Aug 6, ’11 by askgail
          The cost would be different based on location of facility and the state. Utah less than Calif. HMO”s cost will depend on contractual agreement. No easy answer, you will need to list facility and then contact finance department for cost. Medical records or HIS also can typically run these reports. Some hospitals might be reluctant to share the information so start with the facility where you work use contacts there. HIS would be the quickest route get info. Ask them to run a report by diagnosis code including cost. Each disease process will cost out differently. Hope this helps.

          Sep 4, ’11 by czyja
          I did some research on this a while back – very interesting problem.

          First, there is a difference between cost and price. Cost is what the hospital pays for staffing, diagnostics (including capital costs), therapeutics, and “hotel” costs ie the laundry. Price is what the hospital bills.

          A couple researchers looked at this (name forgotten, sorry) and wrote a good paper on it. My limited memory tells me that costs for the first two days in the icu average about 10k per day. After that it starts to decease,such that in most cases the last day in the icu is about 2k or so. If you do a search on google scholar you should be able to find the paper.

          Answer:
          Depending on the actual services that you are receiving from the hospital, it could go up to as much as between 3-5 thousand dollars. The cost would include the nursing care, medications, diagnostic tests, food, and other related costs like that. For a typical week you may be looking at a minimum of 50,000 dollars plus depending on the services that you’re utilizing.

          Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_average_cost_of_a_night_in_a_hospital#ixzz27VQH01te

      • Gordon

        DEER, I consider myself a conservative, depending. Final expense hospitalization seems outrageous. Here’s my thoughts for ME. Fact is that we’re all gonna die anyway. When things get really bad, should I or my family spend everything plus insurance to let me die a prolonged inevitable death? NO, send me home to die in peace and be comfortable in my peace with Jesus. (my choice) Spending life’s fortune (or tax money) fighting an inevitable result is like this country spending money to help folks who are lost causes socially. OH, and “keep some powder dry”.

      • deerinwater

        Well I feel the same way Gordon ~ don’t waste a lot of money on my tired old assets. I’m approaching 65 and I am getting all this damn mail, ~ Pay now , die later ~ the AARP, ~ cremation and grave diggers. ~ etc. Insurance, ~ supplemental ~ Geee sus! H Christ .

        I’m still going strong, ~I guess in order to getting back some of my 1.3 million in SS, I’ll be required to fill out and apply for retirement. ~ I’ve tried to ignore it. There is no retirement or quitting for me ~~ slow down? sure ~ I already have and I plan on getting slower. The body is wearing out, ~ loosing power in my thumbs from pain, I can jump just as high, but losing hang time. back, legs, knees ~ it comes and goes ~ someday it will come and never leave.

        But Gordon, it’s not really about me. ~ It’s about 50 million people like you and I. It will only be about you and I when we need it the most and too weak to fight.

        But let me say this, death is as personal as it gets. I’ve live a life that I has witness the death of 6 grandmothers and 5 grandfathers and every one of them went away differently.

        End of life care is important, it’s humane, it;s Christian. No head transplants ~ just ease the passing.

        Robust proactive care is just as important.

        Health Care is not an entitlement, is not a right ~ We are all being asked to pay for it.

        However, If you have manage to do well yourself, opt out of the system and furnish documentation you have the means to do so. It’s possible. We do this with other insurance, why would health care be different?

      • deerinwater

        Kays say; “so I’ll just vote against Obama period”

        I say; It;s sad when you find yourself voting against someone and not for someone.

    • WILDFIRE

      Let me ask you this, If socialized healthcare, your obamacare which by the way is the biggest tax America has ever seen, is so substantially great, why is it that Pelosi told congress that they have to vote it in in order to read what is in it. How many of you sign a contract without reading it first? furthermore, if it was so great why is Congress exempt from it?
      If it is so great stands to reason that Pelosi shouldn’t have any problem whats so ever letting Congress read it before a vote with confidence that the bill will win the hearts of every American and further being such a great bill, all Congressmen /women would want in on the action and be participants of the healthcare plan rather than exempting them self from it.

      Fact of the matter is, the majority of Americans don’t want it, countless polls have proven that fact.

      There is a growing number of people wanting or needing something like Obamacare because Obama is creating a growing number of unemployed and welfare dependent people in this Country in order to convince them they need socialist obamacare for their survival.
      How do you convince people they need socialist healthcare. Eliminate jobs so they cannot afford to pay for private insurance. Same as Obama’s philosophy of how to push his green initiatives, such as electric cars, by running the price of gas through the roof to make it economically feasible to convert from gas to electric cars at the same time, while he is pushing for electric cars he is also advocating forcing so many EPA laws on electric companies that his policies will make energy bills skyrocket.

      In short, Obama wants to force everyone out of the combustion engine, by skyrocketing the gas price, forcing people to purchase high priced electric cars, by which instead of paying high gas prices, we will have to pay outrageous electric bills to recharge his automobiles, by which he skyrocketed also and even boasted about it on video.

      Amazes me the Obots that look at Obama and praise him as a messiah and their savior because they cannot see 3 seconds into the future.

      • Little John

        Obama’s goal is to end the United States Of America…. he is going to bankrupt this nation with over taxation at a rate of 100% redistrabution of everyones money to the lowest income…. and he is doing that….. if elected again he will finish the job he started… as noted in Dreams of My Father….. go see the movie “2016″ …… this movie is done on fact, research, and you better get ready……… the tyrant Obama is writting law with executive order in direct violation of our Constitution….. I refuse to be ruled by a TYRANT and I will not live in Tyranny….. if you want to live like that go to another country, like has been noted on this blog, North Korea, China, any number of countries run by dictatorship… the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA will not be one of them…… I did not go to war in my lifetime to lay down now and let this happen…. I took an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States of America as did every service member in the armed forces, every police officer, every Congressman/woman, very Senator, as did the President of the United States ( but everyone knows how he does, does not protect our Constitution)….. Citizens of the United States of America need to wake up, open your eyes and get with it…… stand by Old Glory and waive her proudly…. WE THE PEOPLE.

      • deerinwater

        Quote; “Fact of the matter is, the majority of Americans don’t want it, countless polls have proven that fact.”

        The fact of the matter is, that is simply not true, regardless how much money is being spent to sway public opinion, ~ these polling results you have offered in the past has an inherent right wing bias , leave you to deny it .

        The right has been claiming a majority from the offset, hoping to claim it long enough it might somehow make it so. If you wish to believe these Rasmussen polling results, you are being misinformed , which works well for me.

        You are not a majority, you have never been a majority and you never will be a majority.

        While it is true, it is the squeaky wheels that gets the grease. When it comes to squeaking the right excels.

        It was already socialized medicine, ~ like socialized power generation, and public water projects and distribution and road way and rail systems. ~ We all pay for it, one way or the other ~

        I know everyone want to be Charles Goodnight or Daniel Boone, the rugged individualist, All I can tell you is that you were born too late. Put your war ax down and get over it.

      • Gordon

        DEER. The AMA, is the doctors’ union…. is the largest most powerful UNION in the USA. The AMA controls EVERYTHING including the drug manufacturers and their lobby. Unless we do what they demand, they refuse service. Get a clue. They literally have us by the (pick a word).

        • deerinwater

          So how can a single Davey Crockett stand up against something so powerful?

      • Gordon

        Remember this truism: “The fear of loss is greater than the desire for gain.”

      • deerinwater

        Right Gordon ~ and I’ll carry it a step farther , the fear of losing something while others gain something is even a greater fear!

        That health care system was not inherently equitable prior to reform is being completely discounted ~ and not even a consideration. That I was helping pay someone premiums for 30 years through a maze of systems that rendered it impersonal and became to be looked upon as some entitlement by the benefactor of a tilted system .

        All they are looking at is a loss! ~ with this, “I got mine , screw you mentality” that the rest of tax paying American has learned to endure for the last 35 years.

      • TexasRide

        Gorden your are nuts if you think the doctors have a Union!! The AMA is a professional organization the doctors can join if they want. Mainly it keeps them up-to-date on issure that are of interest to the medical profession. Since obamacare has become law, the doctors are leaving the AMA as fast as they can. The AMA supports obamacare even though it is a disaster for the medical profession. Doctors are leaving their professions, closing their offices. Obamacare may say people will be getting care, but WHO WILL THEY FIND TO PROVIDE IT when there are no more doctors.

        The government is taking this coming doctor shortage seriously. Government has invented an excelerated program for Highschool grads, These grads can go to two years of classes, and come out bonifide (according to government) doctors!! The grads will have no residency or hands-on experience. They just study books for two years and will have no experience. A good, seasoned nurse’s aide will know more than these kids!
        So, enjoy, you obamacare supporters! You are going to pay a lot more for a lot less, and will have no one that knows what they are doing when you get sick!

      • Smilee

        WILDFIRE says:
        September 25, 2012 at 11:31 am

        Let me ask you this, If socialized healthcare, your obamacare

        IT IS NOT SOCIALIZED HEALTHCARE, IF IS REGULATION OF COMMERCE, IT REGULATES HELATH INSURANCE COMPANIES NOT HEALTH CARE PROVIDDRS, I GUESS YOU DO NOT UNDERSAND THAT AND IT DOES SUBSIDIZE SOME LOWER INCOME PERSONS BY HELPING THEM PAY FOR PRIVATE INSURANCE PLANS NOT GOVERNMENT PLANS,

        which by the way is the biggest tax America has ever seen,

        WRONG THERE ARE TAXES AND SAVINGS IN THE BILL, AND THE BALANCE SHEET SHOWS IT WILL SAVE MONEY OVER ALL, IT IS CALL THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, YOU CANNOT ONLY LOOK AT THE CREDIT SIDE OF THE BALANCE SHEET AND IGNORE THE DEBIT SIDE WHICH YOU HAVE DONE AND THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE GIVEN US THIS FALSE INFORMATION

        is so substantially great, why is it that Pelosi told congress that they have to vote it in in order to read what is in it.

        MISQUOTE, SHE SAID NOTHING ABOUT NOT READING IT NOR WAS SHE TALKING ABOUT CONGRESS, SHE SAID “WE WILL HAVE TO PASS THE BILL BEFORE THEY WILL KNOW WHAT IS IN IT, Not CONGRESS BUT THE PEOPLE AND THIS IS PROVING TO BE TRUE AS NOW PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO SEE THE GOOD PARTS OF THE BILL. PEOPLE DID NOT UNDERSAND IT WHEN IT WAS PAST AS PELOSE AND OTHERS HAD TO COMPETE WITH THE CONSERVATIVE RIGHT CONSTANTLY TELLING THE PUBLIC NUMEROUS LIES ABOUT IT.

        How many of you sign a contract without reading it first?

        TOTALLY IRRELELVANT TO THE ISSUE

        furthermore, if it was so great why is Congress exempt from it?

        WRONG THEY ARE NOT

        If it is so great stands to reason that Pelosi shouldn’t have any problem whats so ever letting Congress read it before a vote with confidence that the bill will win the hearts of every American and further being such a great bill, all Congressmen /women would want in on the action and be participants of the healthcare plan rather than exempting them self from it.

        THIS STATEMENT OF YOURS IS JUST TOTALLY FALSE AND A LIE

        Fact of the matter is, the majority of Americans don’t want it, countless polls have proven that fact.

        THE RECENT ELECTION POLLS NOW SHOW THAT ONLY 10% SAY THAT IS THE TOP CONCERN FOR DECIDING WHOM TO VOTE FOR SO IT IS MOST LIKELY MOSTY IRRELEVANT NOW.

        There is a growing number of people wanting or needing something like Obamacare because Obama is creating a growing number of unemployed and welfare dependent people in this Country in order to convince them they need socialist obamacare for their survival.

        THIS IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE

        How do you convince people they need socialist healthcare. Eliminate jobs so they cannot afford to pay for private insurance. Same as Obama’s philosophy of how to push his green initiatives, such as electric cars, by running the price of gas through the roof to make it economically feasible to convert from gas to electric cars at the same time, while he is pushing for electric cars he is also advocating forcing so many EPA laws on electric companies that his policies will make energy bills skyrocket.

        THIS TOO IS ALL LIES AND PURE BS

        In short, Obama wants to force everyone out of the combustion engine, by skyrocketing the gas price, forcing people to purchase high priced electric cars, by which instead of paying high gas prices, we will have to pay outrageous electric bills to recharge his automobiles, by which he skyrocketed also and even boasted about it on video.

        THIS TOO IS ALL LIES AND PURE BS

        Amazes me the Obots that look at Obama and praise him as a messiah and their savior because they cannot see 3 seconds into the future.

        WEIRD BUT I SUPPOSE STATEMENTS LIKE THIS ARE TO BE EXPECTED FROM SOMEONE AS MIXED UP

      • deerinwater

        Texas ride “So, enjoy, you obamacare supporters! You are going to pay a lot more for a lot less,” you are full of shoe polish!

      • Gordon

        TEXAS, wouldn’t you call a consortium of doctors banded together for socio-political strength, whose organization threatens to remove their “credentials” and have US Marshalls arrest them if they don’t comply……. what would you call that? I call it a union.
        OH yes, I could name 2 doctors who had the AMA and USMarshalls come to their office and demand they stop doing something the AMA doesn’t approve of, “or else you will be handcuffed and jailed immediately”.

      • JC

        Smilee says:

        September 25, 2012 at 5:22 pm

        WILDFIRE says:
        September 25, 2012 at 11:31 am

        Let me ask you this, If socialized healthcare, your obamacare

        IT IS NOT SOCIALIZED HEALTHCARE, IF IS REGULATION OF COMMERCE, IT REGULATES HELATH INSURANCE COMPANIES NOT HEALTH CARE PROVIDDRS, I GUESS YOU DO NOT UNDERSAND THAT AND IT DOES SUBSIDIZE SOME LOWER INCOME PERSONS BY HELPING THEM PAY FOR PRIVATE INSURANCE PLANS NOT GOVERNMENT PLANS,
        _____________________________________________________________________

        And if we do not pay for this “gift” that’s being forced on us…we’ll either be fined or jailed.

        And the rest of your diatribe has no backing therefore no bsis in fact,
        It’s just “Smilee spouting off” as usual.

        • Smilee

          JC

          Why don’t you respond to my post instead of going off on a tangent spewing out garbage, if you would read the bill you would know what I said is true. Your spin does not change the facts except in your pea sized brain.

      • JC

        There’s no way in hell you’ve read the bill.
        Congress didn’t even read the bill, and still haven’t.
        Just another lying sack of left wing crap…

        I do know that this girt will see the appearance of 16,000 new IRS Agents though.
        So that’s nice. (idiot)

      • JC

        Edit:
        I do know that this “bill” will see the appearance of…..

  • carolinerh

    Both parties have changed and not any upward movement of the Demo party but some movement up now in the Repub party thanks to my Tea Party. Having lived/worked outside the US, I prefer living here and being part of the solution rather than being part of and complaining the problems. The choice is ours. We made America great and we can do it again, but complaining and harping won’t do it. I also believe if you don’t like things that don’t suit your way of thinking, then pack your bags and move to another country where there is Islam, Socialism and Communism or tyranny of some sort. You will be happy, you think, anywhere but here. Due to the Christian or faith principles on which this country was founded, you have had a very goooood life, choices, freedom to do and say and work and study, but obviously this never meant much to you so go live elsewhere. I know Socialism and my husband escaped Communism and we prefer to live here and help clean up the messes we allowed to be made rather than carp and whine! Wake up and smell the coffee! or go drink the Kool-Aid. Thank God and America you do have the choice.

  • http://www.facebook.com/peter.akhonya Peter L. Akhonya

    America is the Country of the people but not of the parties fames. Problems facing the people does not come from the parties but from the people themselves. Use your voting Card as an individual because your problem is not as my problem in all parties but the Country need a leader from any party to lead and be respected. Any Country which does not respect their Chair it exposes itself to enemies to come in. Be the true Politicinan not to criticise your Country yourself and then blame your leader whom you don’t sit together to solve your Country’s problems.The World knows the name of the Country but not of the parties. Parties reflects in Campaigning period only for winning but after the win all must be together to solve the Country’s problems. That is only Country’s name.Other games of names calling are Status quo believes which build hatred for nothing. Build your Country together. All parties are of Americans people. Which party has pure Americans among the two?.

  • Louis Lemieux

    Our perception of reality often differs and we have divers political views.Too often we doubt too much the sincerity of others and we use harsh words inappropriately.

    All existing US dollars in America form a huge blanket on which everyone is pulling.The multimillionaires, too many of them anyway, are using their dollars to convince Americans to support the Republicans in order to succeed pulling the blanket more towards themselves. Money is power and power, any power, can become addictive, Mouammar Kadhafi was and Bashar-al Assad is a victim of this. Democrats want all Americans not to feel the cold so much this winter.

    • http://www.sweetsalesgirl.com/Kuurus/ Charles Johnson

      Wealth is not a zero sum game.Wealth can be added to the pot in various ways but Government has never added any.

      • Deerinwater

        ” “The fear of loss is greater than the desire for gain.”

        you are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, wrong

  • Keith leGlue

    Democrates are so out of touch, I mean look at how they vote without even thinking of what he has done or cares how he done it. Democrates you explain to your children in 15 years why you could care less about there future, because the ways things are going in your world there will be NO America.

  • robert

    Right on Ben but I think it is sad that I will have to hold my nose and pull the lever for Romney in November.

    • Gordon

      We already know how obama will appoint to the supreme court. (insert Chip Wood comment here)

  • jopa

    Romney was on 60 Minutes last Sunday and said all Americans are covered with health insurance.All they have to do is go to the ER.Now that is about the stupidest thing I have heard in years and that is the problem.When patients go to the ER that is the most expensive choice to make and the reason for both Romneycare and th ACA.I really don’t think the Mutt Romney was the architect of Romneycare in that he hasn’t a clue of it’s main function to keep down health care costs while providing health and wellness for the public with their minimal contributions.Romney would be a disaster for America,especially senior citizens on Medicare that he wants to turn into a voucher system and social security that he wants to hand over to Wall Street.

  • jason Singleton

    Should be DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN…ALL THE ABOVE.
    Democrats are welfare party, Republicans are warfare party, and they both work together on war and welfare. GO GARY JOHNSON!!

  • Blueviolets

    Only one correction. obama and left (and some on the right) spend as though they had Daddy’s Black Card not the Gold Card. There are no limits on a black card. I just wonder what will happen when they want us to pay for the money they let them use?

    • Gordon

      we iz payin, 1 wayz or anada.

  • rocquedog

    There’s only one way to resolve this issue: Civil War. Not that I want it but it is inevitable. And thanks to the Imposter in the WH., we’ll get that when he throws out his False Flag this Fall and declares martial law. Real Americans will see thru the crap and rebel. We’ll have patriots going against the hordes of La Raza, Muslims, Blk. Panthers, union thugs and possibly even foreign troops that the Imposter calls on, when things start to turn south on his “National Citizens Army”. And at the point that the Constitutional Militias/Patriots can claim victory, they’ll take care of those remaining uber Leftwingers just as they did in our first Rev. War when they eschewed the Loyalists (anti American Colonists)back to England

    • Mary

      We are very far from communism in this country. Another government avenue for health care does not make the country socialist or communist. We have had these social programs for many years and they work well. Because we still have millions without healthcare, a universal healthcare would even be a better solution. You still have freedom to choose don’t you? Of course if you are a woman, that may not be so if the Republicans win the election. They are trying hard to change that. You can thank folks like Rush Limbaugh for stirring the pot of hate that pits Americans against each other. For years they have been doing that and just in the past few years, Democrats are beginning to stand up for themselves. What is fair is fair. Really a Revolution? It is not going to take a war, it is going to take some common sense and both Republican and Democrats working together in Congress. The Republicans are determined to make the entire country bend to their ideology and the Democrats are determined to not lose their freedoms. The thing is Democrats do not wish to take YOUR freedoms away, you do not HAVE to do any of the things you object to. Why can’t the Republicans just be happy with that instead to being control freaks. Republicans do not mind spending billions on unjustified wars and oil subsidies yet they object fo spending bilions on their own people. Democrats do not want their tax money to go to unjustified wars or big corporation that do not need it so in order to get along, we must all compromise and realize we all have to put up with some things we do not like. It sounds as if your only solution to things is fighting it out. And that is the thinking of the Republican party and one of the reasons we are in this mess. Americans killing Ameticans? Wouldn’t that make our foreign enemies happy? The civil war left a hughe dealth toll in the 18th century and it is hoped we have learned a better way than resorting to barbaric means.

      • rhcrest

        Republicans are the control freaks? I beg to differ. We don’t haeve to do anything we don’t want to do ? Yeah right like being forced to buy health insurance? Like all the rules and regulations coming out of DC by the truckload? Even the school lunch program is being attacked by the Dems – kids can no longer even bring their lunch to school and also Moochelle has limited the children in what they can eat. It is a huge news story right now. You Dems are the ones who are keeping America from the ocean of oil we have beneath our feet. You Dems are the ones who want to limit how much soda and popcorn we can have at the moviees. You Dems are the ones who are mandating that our children learn that perverted behavior is normal and that Heather has two mommies and this is MANDATED in some school systems. You are forcing people to accept perversion as normal or else be punished by the state. YOU DEMS ARE THE CONTROL FREAKS. Conservatives stand for individual liberty not state control. And no we are not far from Communism at all in this country. Actually we are pretty much at Fascism , communism is just a little further to the left. And yes if we have to fight you people in a hot civil war, then i’m ok with that. I am sick of you people ruining this country. Communism and a Republican form of gov’t are not compatible

      • Smilee

        rhcrest says:
        September 25, 2012 at 3:04 pm

        Take some time to research for the real truth rather than all the talking points of the far right which in reality propaganda and lies, Seek and you shall find that Mary is telling the truth and you are spreading lies.

    • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

      I believe Civil War is coming after martial law very soon, but I believe you are leaving out a critical aspect to how the government will conduct Civil War against the American People. Obama is a Communist KGB agent in addition to being a Muslim. He will open the door for the Russian Army to invade America primarily from the North and the East Coast, and he will open the door for the Chinese Army to invade our West coast, even through ports in Mexico. The Chinese and Russians know that 9/11 was an American CIA/Israeli Mossad/Saudi Intelligence/Pakistani ISI false-flag operation for the purpose of invading countries that surround Iran to ultimately destroy Iran and any country that threatens the petrodollar’s hegemony. Russia and China now have their Communist ally working the game in the White House to their favor by opposing the Israelis game of WWIII madness. Netanyahu is planning to attack Iran before the election to put political pressure on Obama to reveal his hand. WWIII will likely be the result and possibly the pretext for a false-flag that has already been ordered by Valerie Jarrett in order to establish martial law and retasin Communist power in the White House. This false-flag could very possibly even be nuclear. When the Civil war hits, Obama will have the Russian and Chinese invading forces on his side. The almost 2 billion rounds of hollow-point ammunition, which even the US military is forbidden to use by the Geneva Convention, ordered by the Department of Homeland Security will likely be used by the invading forces if the US military refuses to fire on its own civilian population. Russian tanks and troop transport vehicles have already been spotted on a train in California. The Chinese have military munitions in ports in Mexico and other ports close to the American mainland. The prelude to invasion has been set. They are just waiting for Obama to give the signal.

  • Breeze

    To those of you who think we need to de-populate the world, are you willing to be this first to walk into the gas chamber to save humanity?

    • TexasRide

      The people/countries that are having all the kids are the same ones that can’t afford them!

      The illegals are out-producing Americans…because we must pay to support their kids. The lazy are out-producing working Americans …because we must pay to support their kids. The muslims are out-producing Americans…because they want to take over our country by sheer numbers AND we are made to support their kids. Most Americans can’t have but one or two children of their own because they have to support the lazy and the foreigners while they are poping kids out like farts.

      The countries that have the highest birthrates are the poorest countries of the world. We are told that we must support these illterates while they do nothing but add more kids to the problem. Their kids will grow up and have more kids that will also be unable to feed themselves..they just sit around and wait for someone to bring them food.

      The first step in this country is to STOP paying women to produce kids that they cannot support! Medicaid recipients do not have a right to produce kids and expect someone else to support them!

      When signing up for Medicaid it should be a flat amount regardless of how many dependents are claimed. Everyone should get the same AND NO pay increases for poping out additional kids! If people want kids, get a job and YOU feed them. Don’t expect me to do it. I have my own family to support and I have one child because that is what I could afford to raise.

      • LC

        I agree! Flat rate is a great idea. Also wouldn’t hurt to have to pass a drug test to qualify. Enough of this free ride BS. That goes for immigration too! No more anchor babies. No more visa programs. No more crossing the borders. This is the war we need to start fighting at home. Regardless if they are working, schooling, on the dole, whatever, they are OCCUPYING a spot that is meant for an American. Alot of them come here; fake SS numbers, open lines of credit run up debt and change identities. I’ve actually seen this happen. A coworker of mine,that is a legal American of Mexican decent, buying up some illegals’ stuff so he can turn around and buy a truck. Rock bottom pricing cause the illegal bought it on credit (ID theft) Not to mention the illegal was ending a relationship and leaving behind three kids. Don’t know if the mom was legal or not, but you can bet we not only bad for his ‘bad’ credit fraud, but more than likely his kids and ex girl too. BS has got to stop. One case and they guess (low) ten million.

  • Nancy

    I have been reading and hearing many of my fellow New Yorkers prasing Obamacare about the “pre-existing” conditions and coverage of adult children to about 27. I have been buying my own health insurance for 20 years now in New York and the truth is : We have had open enrollement, adult children coverage for YEARS ! they don’t deny you for pre-exisitng conditions, age etc, It has NOTHING to do with Obama Care. You can go without insurance and buy it month by month (individual) if you want. The flip side of course, is that many insurance companies have LEFT NY long ago. Ever notice that you read about a nice plan only to see “not available in NY, NJ, et et). And the prices are outrageous because they have to cover everybody. There are VERY few plans for the individual who is not in any kind of group. So I am left with way over 1,000 a month for a so -so plan when I am fortuantely healthy, or my present $189 plan which covers hospital and emergency room only — AND THE DOCTORS HAVE ATO BE EMPLOYED BY THE HOSPITAL, No office visits , only a yearly GYN and mammogram because the state mandates it for ALL policies. They also mandate and this 63 year old woman has coverage for maternal and well-child visits !! No I can’t choose spmething else in place which I may want or need.
    So while it sounds great that the state can mandate this or that for your insurance policy, keep in mind that if this becomes nationa, we willbe forced into govt because (1) companies will go out of business and/or (2) policies will be too expensive. So the business that you can choose your own doctor and keep your plan is a sneakey lie. Sure you can, but it will be temporary,
    Oh, and forget the “Healthy New York” free-or-low-cost state ins plans. I checked that out extensively, I am allowed to make about $2,300 a month Before taxes before I can buy health ins at $300 + a month, If you make that amount in Metro NY , how can you even buy health ins.

  • Mary

    Dear Ben, I can see you were not really into me anyway and guess what? I won’t miss you either. You have become so radical you scare me. I would love to live in a peaceful world but you are excited by those who beat the war drums with Iran, Russia, and etc. I really would like to stay out of wars and try to settle things with peaceful means. That is one of the reasons our government is in such debt now.
    As a woman, I just cannot agree with your party who would take my freedoms away. Imagine Ben, if the government required you to check in with them before you depositied your sperm down the drain, when they could have been viable babies. You could probably go to jail for that. Besides, if we had more children than we could afford, how would I help out when I could not afford to work and pay for child care. Our kids would miss out on so much, like a college education. They would not be able to get a government loan like so many of us and our friends because your political party opposes helping anyone. And how would we afford health insurance for all those kids when we could barely afford to feed them? No, I am sorry dear, but I like being in control of my body and deciding the size of my family. We will just have to agree on a mutual separation. No hard feelings I hope. I’ll be voting for my party as long as I have individual choice and hope it is not taken away if yours should win. Just in case, I have ordered one of those black robes from Iran, the kind the women have to wear in public because the men cannot be trusted to contain their sexual urges when they see a woman’s hair or her bare arms and legs. and I am waiting to renew my driver’s license just yet. I sure hope this is not the last time women can vote. They really fought hard for that right. Your political party is really fooling you. They talk about smaller government but inserting themselves into our private lives and reproduction sure sounds like bigger government to me. Hope you are happy. Goodbye Ben.

    • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

      Hey Mary,

      Does the government’s beloved limitless money supply grow on trees??? Does your body belong to God or yourself??? Just where does your government’s limitless money supply come from??? If you guessed the taxpayers, you’re only partially correct??? 40% of it is borrowed and the debt is 16,000,000,000,000 and growing with both of these pathologically insane parties in the District of Criminals. You are living in a fantasyland.

    • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

      Do the lives your body creates belong to God or yourself???

      • Deerinwater

        “Do the lives your body creates belong to God or yourself???”

        Well parents do not own children , they have them.

        Life belongs to it’s self.

  • rhcrest

    There is no common ground between A Republican form of gov’t and Communism. They are diametrically opposed. We cannot coexist and compromise with these people anymore than we could compromise with the British during the Revolutionary War. At some point it is either going to have be us or them and i really believe it will have to come to a hot civil war. All we are doing right now is seeing which side has the most votes. Well i for one refuse to live under communism/fascism/ marxism or whatever you want to call it no matter how many people vote for it. If we have to fight in a hot civil war then let’s get to it and settle this thing once and for all.

    • Deerinwater

      Well, whip it out MF’er !

    • JC

      It will happen sooner than later if the Kenyan ends up in the White House again…and if not, it will happen later than sooner…

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    The Democratic party is you might say, the union party. It was founded so the working class might have representation in the district of criminals. Socialist infiltrated it and took any decensy that it might of had. Today it’s philosophy is: When I blowa da whis, everybody offa da dock. Don’t think, let a politician do it for you. But we cannot treat democrats as the enemy.The Republicans gave us the Bushes and their ilk. What we must do is exchange thoughts and ideas and enlighten each other. Criticizing the Democrats is only playing into the hands of those would divide us and our nation. A republican and a democrat should down and read our Constitution and the bible together. If they did, they’d see just how much they had in common

    • Louis Lemieux

      Constructive criticism is the basis of our form of government: a government for the people by the people. As for the Bible anyone can use it as a guide if they want to but lets leave dogma out of politics.

      • TexasRide

        Louis the lemming has forgotten that our government was built on Christian values.
        Those values should never be abandoned and taken out of politics or government.

    • Little John

      Christian American/Christian America is how I see it…. our country was founded on Christian beliefs and that is the way it is folks…. as noted the Dem’s took Christian out of their platform, (per Obama), and make no mistakes about that one…. when that happened I knew we as the United States of America had crossed a line… The Dem’s have lost control, it is now Obama and get ready America for what is coming will be hard and fast…. We are in more trouble than anyone can believe…. I can not believe that every church in this great land did not denounce the Dem party right then and there.. it is a disgrace to this great nation…. they are saying the Dem party brought it back, but I submit,,, they are lying,,,, the 2/3rd vote was not there,,, the Dem had to vote three times,, and Christ was denied not one, not twice, but three times…. everyone heard the vote,,, CHRIST WAS DENIED…… MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON US ALL…. my fellow citizens of this great nation under GOD, the United States of America,,,, be prepared to defend yourself against a great evil that is coming to our doors, do not lay down or run, you must stand and fight…..”I pledge allegience to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation Under GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all”

      • TexasRide

        Little, you are correct the communist party denied Christ three times! They still couldn’t get a two-thirds vote.

        As Madonna said, at her concert, “We have a black muslim for president!” She thought this was a good thing and called on her fans to vote for the black muslim to keep him in the presidency of the United States.. The media won’t cover that story, but everyone knows it is true.

        Our government has agreed to the plan of the “World Order” or we wouldn’t have a black muslim foreigner in our presidency. And, he is there without protest from ONE of our politicians..If people could just digest that one fact they would understand how much danger we are facing…

      • deerinwater

        Well? doyou find watermelon more becoming?

      • LC

        The vote was rigged to have the Dems agree that Jerusalem is the capital of Isreal (at :54) as well as keep God in the platform. here’s the vid; http://youtu.be/t8BwqzzqcDs Not fair to assume the ‘no vote’ outcome (which also seems shaky to me) was solely a denial of God.

  • Dulceb

    It is unfortunate, but true, that women are the very ones who are throwing away their freedoms.
    I want birth control, and I will pay for it. I want abortion available, I will pay for it. I do not expect anyone to pay my way. I want to vote and I will, but I don’t mind flashing my ID, just like I do when I write a check.
    The point so missed (by women who will vote for the Dems) is that the Republican Party isn’t so much against these things as they expect one to pay for them. They do not feel that the gov’t is required to pay or that people are “entitled ” to get these things for free.
    I believe it was Will Rodgers that said that there was no such thing as a free lunch. Someone, somewhere has to pay.
    If I pay my own way, no one can tell me how to live. If I depend on others for what I should pay for myself, they will feel that they can tell me what to do. Don’t believe me? Let me make it simple for you
    Ask your parents for money, (if you can,) then go and do something stupid with that money. Guess what? They are going to be on the phone the next day, telling you what you should or should not do with what they gave you. They are people who love you and want the best for you.
    The government does not love you, and if you happen into the best, okay, but they don’t care.
    They are interested in their own pockets.
    Listen and study carefully, if you can. Don’t drink the Kool Aid or swallow the hype whole. Investigate things for yourself.

    • Gordon

      do you mean the government or the politicians?

    • deerinwater

      ‘If I pay my own way, no one can tell me how to live. If I depend on others for what I should pay for myself, they will feel that they can tell me what to do. Don’t believe me? Let me make it simple for you’

      So I take it that you don’t mind everyone paying for their health care like the affordable health care act mandates.

      • Little John

        Ok deerinwater, you just do not understand….. this is a government take over of our health care… I am happy with the health care plan that I have, but I will not have that plan anymore when Obamacares comes…… everything will be switched over to Obamacare…. get it …. hope you got it…… we are being taxed by obamacare…. a forced tax by the Demo party………. tryanny is on the way deerinwater…. have you ever been in a country where there is tryanny………. well, you are about to be shortly……… so get ready….. here it comes right to your front door….. oh that door is not going to belong to you anymore… remeber you did not make that….. soon, maybe not in my life time, I am 62, but in my sons, and their family life it will come… if WE THE PEOPLE dont stop it now…. the government will be telling you where to live, already trying to tell you what to eat, (and will be with the obamacare,,,read it, it will scare the hell out of you), where you can go and not go, (kind of like Hitler did in germany, if you did not have permission from government to travel, you did not travel, wont be able to visit your kids or grandkids anymore) so get ready deerinwater.
        Only thing I can add is buy a Gun and keep America Free

        • Deerinwater

          “Ok deerinwater, you just do not understand….. this is a government take over of our health care…” > well, it’s a major change I got the fact that you don’t want change are not all taxes forced? mandated by government a lot of change is on it’s way, if you wish to call it tryanny, I can’t stop you my farther happen to be one Right! things must change, health care is expensive and people must learn to budget for it

          “I am 62, but in my sons, and their family life it will come… if WE THE PEOPLE don’t stop it now…. the government will be telling you where to live, already trying to tell you what to eat, (and will be with the obamacare,,,read it, it will scare the hell out of you), where you can go and not go, (kind of like Hitler did in germany, if you did not have permission from government to travel, you did not travel, wont be able to visit your kids or grandkids anymore) so get ready deerinwater.”

          > I’m 65 in March and I’m not scared of dying or living and future generations will deal with their problems, just as we have dealt with ours, if the load is too heavy, something will break and require adjustments and repair and notions of freedom is an illusion, you would not really enjoy being completely free, you need to feel as if you’ve something to loose Got some already, but to picking one up would only end all my problems, ~ I like having problems and you should too!The small print on any contract is spooky, how many other laws have you read besides this one? I agree with the notion, this health care act “can be abused by government”, but do you really and truly believe they need this law, from a body that can create anything it wishes? <

          I sorry that life is changing all around you, Little John~ I don't like it much either sometimes but change is the nature of life and the quality of your life will be determined by how you decided to react to it.

          It looks like I will be paying at least 2% more in taxes.

          http://www.smartmoney.com/taxes/income/what-obamacare-may-mean-for-taxes-1335896160486/

  • Melissa

    Thank you! I am a fellow democrat with the same resolve. changing my party affiliation to Independent. I canc’t take it amy more either!

  • http://Nowebsite John DeLellis

    OBAMA THE GREAT! VOTE FOR HIM! At least we’ll have a little fun while we’re being invaded by all of his buddies. Don’t forget all you libs. and Dems. When the big ,”0″, gets Sharia Law in America , all women have to walk 20 ft. Behind their men. They also have to obey their husband or be lashed. You might just get what you had hope for.

  • Sunne

    I expect the two party system will be left behind in the third dimension (as with all dense things), while the rest of US ascend to the fifth dimension. They can continue to fight over other people’s property in their darkness.

  • http://www.allrockingchaircushions.com dyebat

    I’m not sure how I arrived here, other than that I thought this site was about personal liberty rather than politics. I’m worse than a Democrat–I’m a Green, but if I weren’t Green I’d probably be Libertarian. Whatever.

    I’m a strong proponent of capitalism, when it follows free market principles. Unfortunately, it rarely does, even here. We have monopolies, price fixing, and socialism/welfare for large corporations like Exxon and Monsanto. My personal pet peeve is the government’s attitude towards the dairy industry, which ignores the small organic farmers who graze their cows, and gives millions in subsidies to large corporations whose cattle are penned in barns where they never see grass, and are fed corn (which isn’t good for cows)–hence the subsidies. But I digress.

    I consider the title of this piece–”It’s Not Me–It’s You”– to be exactly what’s currently wrong with this country. Blaming somebody else appears to be the excuse for everything. Underpaying employees, charging high prices after unfairly demolishing the competition, “investing”–gambling with your own or other people’s money while you look down on people who aren’t as smart as you because they do real work like carpentry or cooking, accepting those government benefits that help you–like roads and bridges, public parks, fire departments, Social Security, etc.–while condemning those other people get–are all part of the problem. Greed, entitlement, and contempt for honest work are today’s values. What a load of cattle excrement. If it makes any difference, I’ve worked since I was 13 (cleaning out toilets in rental property) and am still working at 75, sometimes for less than minimum wage, because I made some bad investments in real estate and my own business, and accept the responsibility to recover from them myself.

    It makes no difference who wins this election. This country will still fall off the fiscal cliff in 2013. Better get your heirloom seeds (before Monsanto has them banned by the FDA) and lobby to raise chickens in your back yard. That makes more sense than name-calling people you disagree with.

    • boyscout

      “It ain’t easy being Green.” Keep voicing your opinions here.

    • Deerinwater

      Bravo! Bravo!
      Remember Junior Samples complaining about the smell and his wife keeping hogs in the house. A friend says, well raise a window ~ Juniors says. What! and let my chickens out?

  • Tunaman

    FM WHO DIED AND APPOINTED YOU “GOD”! NO ONE AS FAR AS I KNOW!!!!!!!!

  • Debb

    Ben, I truly am sorry for your students. The amount of lies and half-truths in this rant is mind blowing. I’m convinced that haircut you got, shaved off many brain cells.

  • Tunaman

    DS YOU’R JUST LIKE A BAD PENNY THAT JUST WON’T GO AWAY!! WERE IS IT WRITTEN THAT LIFE IS FAIR!! A VERSE IN THE BIBLE STATES “NO WORK,NO EAT! YOU PROVE EVERY DAY THE EFFECTS OF BRAIN WASHING! LIKE I STATED THE OTHER DAY,”YOU CAN FIX STUPID”!

  • Tunaman

    ALPHA-L RIGHT ON , RIGHT ON!!! RUSH HAD A SIMILAR PROPOSAL, THE ONLY DIFFERANCE WAS THE CONSERVATIVES WOULD HAVE ALL THE PRODUCERS AND THE COMMIE, LEFT, DUMBOCRAPS GOT ALL THE DEADBEATS AND SLACKERS!!

  • Robert

    Wow I wish I said that way cool

  • McTechs

    Doc Sarvis said: “I don’t have anything against the wealthy but I am against the wealthy buying the politicians to make the rules that favor themselves over our country and the majority of America’s workers.”
    All Americans, regardless of which party they serve, need to wake up to their God given rights and do something about their so-called elected “representatives” that take bribes from their corporate cronies. That’s what truly divides us, not those that have earned their wealth legitimately. Focus on reality Doc.

  • Rodney Griffiths

    Ben, a super exposee,but you are addressing the believers How can we get the attention of the others Rod

    • deerinwater

      “exposee” LOL ! you mean, bitten by the werewolf?

  • deerinwater

    Yea, ~ well most of Ben Crystal’s posting suck toilet water, this is actually one of the better ones. I liked the way he framed the argument.

    It told me that he was actually thinking for a change and not just blundering about hitting “Hot Buttons”.

  • boyscout

    Well, certainly a lot of panties bunched up in the postings today – and so many on fire. Ouch !

  • steven c. campbell

    whoever wrote this is a moronic egg sucking idiot. And I do not mean to call names.In fact I am not. I mean it. A president staying at the holiday inn.? Name one who ever did that you cretin.President Bush left this economy in a shambles. You say “Barry Obama” whoever that is, is spending money like an out of control school girl. The fact remains you moron the Bushmeister left office with 10.1 percent unemployment and the Dow was at 6500. Unemployment is now about 8.1 and the Dow is approaching 14,000. Obama saved GM. he is getting America back to work. He represents hope not just millionaires. 2 Unfunded wars and tax cuts for the rich destroyed us. Do you not see that? Are you truly stupider than a 5th grader? Romney wants to continue the Bush years part two except for further destroying the middle class, which Bush apparently set out to do and did a pretty good job of it, But adding more tax cuts for the rich. The “Job creators”. [expletive deleted]. If that program was viable why has it never actually worked? You give a tax cut to a rich guy and he will find a way to fire more employees and get richer. Giving rich people tax cuts is not an incentive it is a gift from all the congress critters who have benefited from insider trading info that everybody else goes to prison for. Crawl back into the hole of holy morons from whence you came and shut the hell up until you have something important or something that at least makes sense to say.

    • niccko

      Welcome comrade campbell to the fold..you will have two changes for your life…throw away your ball cap and replace with a towel….guess what your beliefs are now? Second,you will wotk for the govn’t even if you are an independent business man because “you didn’t build that, the government did”.Your figures are all off on unemploy and economy. As far as the stock market goes, that is another occupation the likes of a pro. card player. If you think the economy is based on the ups & downs then don’t play cardsThe key is to know when to hold and when to fold. Your eco 101 is a first grade level. And when pushed to the wall like all you dumbocrats, your way out is the Bush-Bash. Oh by the way, what has obozo done for you lately? Your only answer is you had the privilege of voting for the first 1/2 black & white president.! Your so lucky.

      • Deerinwater

        “Your only answer is you had the privilege of voting for the first 1/2 black & white president.! Your so lucky.”

        I was not aware that skin color was a factor in determining ability and intelligence.

        I’ll vote for the white half! ~ or Johnson.

  • http://freedomconnector Lynda

    WELL EVERYONE it sounds to me like the Muslums are winning! We need to not be arguing over all these things that have been said here. What matters is our FREEDOM our country NOT BEING TAKEN OVER BY THE MUSLUMS. WE need to get rid of Obummer first , then take care of ALL these things mentioned above. IF we dont We will be overtaken by these people and we will have lost everything that our forefathers had faught against. SO WHAT if we vote in a Republican at least we will be on the right track to get rid of the problem of loosing our freedoms. We must protect our constitution and our rights or we will have NOTHING. No homes, food , rights to speak as we are here, religion choices, etcl Yes all these things you are arguing about are important, but if we loose our freedom we have lost the battle. This arguing is what the Muslums want us to do so we wont be paying attention to what is really happening around us. The take down of our country. The illuminate and the builderbergers, muslums, the wealthy are counting on us bickering like this and not paying attention to what they are doing to take control of us. We are headed for civil war and world war all at once. We must unit and stop this insanity.Im scared of whats to come but i know that I will stand up and fight for my country as is is supost to be not what they want it to become. We can fix our problems but after we secure our freedom.Im not happy with the politicians any of them but i will vote for Romney just because I want to keep our country free from those insane people over there in the Middle East and the Illuminate, builderbergers etc, etc. I love my country and we are loosing it little by little so PLEASE stop fighting amoung ourselves and stand together as one to protect our country. Im leaving the site now Im not here to argue just reming you all what it is really about. Peace and love to all. good night.

  • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

    This letter should have been written to the GOP. The Democrats were your daddy and granddaddy’s psycho wives from Hell who wanted to go kill babies. With the GOP, many of you are still suffering from Battered Husband(Wife) Syndrome thinking maybe this time they’ll finally change. ARE YOU NUTS???

  • braxos

    Ben Crystal, America does not need you. Israel beckons you. You must give at least one year military service. Mandatory. No cowards will get out of it.

  • chris

    what garbage. you guys are pathetic

  • Karen

    It s time to recede from the union….thank God I live in Texas!

    • jopa

      Karen:I am willing to bet you are a Michelle Bachmann fan.She wanted Minnesota to also recede from the union and have all the states follow suit and get together as one.Do you agree with her?

  • http://yahoo Danny shell

    THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY THING EXCEPT MY OWN THOUGHTS. MY FIRST THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IS A CONTINUATION OF WHEN BILL CLINTON TOOK ALL THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO SELL AMERICAN JOBS. YOU KNOW, BY SIGNING THE NAFTA AGREEMENT.. THE ONLY REASON HE DID THIS WAS FOR BIG MONEY. THE POINT IS THAT THIS WAS THE FIRST STEP IN THE PLAN TO THE BRINGING DOWN OF AMERICA. IT CONTINUED THROUGH THE PRESIDENTIAL WARS WITH THE MUSLIMS . A WAR NO COUNTRY CAN SURVIVE. NOW WE COME TO OBAMA AND HE HAS A PLAN TO FINISH THE JOB. WHEN THE PRESIDENTIAL VOTE COUNT WAS SOLD TO A FOREIGN POWER THE CARDS WERE PRELOADED.P FOR AN OBAMA WIN. THIS WILL GIVE HIM THE LARGEST LANDSLIDE VICTORY EVER. IN THE NEXT 4 YEARS THE REST OF THE CONSTITUTION WILL BE DESTROYED. STARTING WITH HILLARY CLINTON DOING AWAY WITH THE SECOND AMENDMENT. WHICH HAS BEEN HER JOB ALL ALONG. AND I JUST CANT BELIEVE THAT YOU PEOPLE THINK BILL IS SUCH A GREAT PERSON. IT WAS HIS JOB TO START THE BALL ROLLING AND ITS GATHERING SPEED. AS I SEND YOU MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN AND WILL BE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME

    • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

      Danny,

      You have been highly deceived by the GOP spinmeisters if you believe ol’ Billy Boy, the first “legitimate” Communist KGB agent to be President (Obama was the 2nd and “illegitimate”), was solely responsible for WTO and NAFTA. CFR “Globullist Gingrich” helped Clinton pass NAFTA against the overwhelming will of the American People – sound familiar??? It was signed into law on January 1st, 1994. Clinton also got WTO passed with the help of his good buddy, Gingrich, under the cloak of darkness of a lameduck session of Congress IMMEDIATELY AFTER GINGRICH WON HIS SPEAKERSHIP BUT HAD NOT YET BECOME A SITTING SPEAKER. Think about that for just a second: GINGRICH BETRAYED HIS GOP CONSTITUENCY AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BEFORE HE EVEN BECAME OFFICIALLY SPEAKER!!! Don’t believe me, if you like.
      Take the words of Phyllis Schlafly, a well-recognized Conservative. All of you who are still starry-eyed over Neocon nutjob, Gingrich, and for that matter, the Neocon nutjob, RINO-INFESTED, and RINO-owned GOP, really need to read what a Conservative columnist, Phyllis Schlafly, had to say about him…

      “How did we get in this fix where foreigners presume to override the U.S. Constitution, our laws and our sovereignty? It was a cozy political deal between the New World Order and free-trade activists in both political parties.

      First, the 14-page WTO agreement was surreptitiously added to the 22,000-page revision of the GATT (General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade) legislation. No publicity was given to the WTO’s Article XVI, which obligates the United States to change our laws, regulations and administrative procedures to conform to WTO.

      Second, President Clinton and Congress bypassed the Treaty Clause in the U.S. Constitution (that requires a two-thirds vote in the Senate). They declared WTO passed as an executive agreement, which calls for only a simple majority in both Houses of Congress.

      WTO was scheduled for a vote on Oct. 5, 1994, but after a flood of phone calls from constituents urging a “no” vote, Clinton, House Speaker Tom Foley, and Republican leader Newt Gingrich cooked up a deal to pass WTO in the December 1994 lame duck session. That session included the votes of more than 80 members who had been defeated in the Republican landslide of Nov. 8, or were retiring.

      Anybody who says the WTO means “free trade” insults the common sense of Americans. The WTO is not free trade at all, but is a supra-national body that sets, manages and enforces WTO-made rules to dictate global trade.

      It’s time to pull out of the World Trade Outrage.”

      http://www.creators.com/opinion/phyllis-schlafly/time-to-say-goodbye-to-the-wto.html

  • Carl Manning – Sic Semper Tyrannis

    America is long overdue for Articles of Secession. There are sections of the country that are diametrically opposed politically, socially, culturally, nationally, ethnically, linguistically, and theologically. The two-party, globalist, Wall Street, CIA/Mossad hegemoniacal stranglehold on this national government and its national press is now a threat to our very survival as a People. America would do well to divide herself at this juncture. The Northeast is more closely aligned politically and culturally with the Upper Midwest. All of the West Coast and much of the southwestern States are now overcome with Hispanic and Democratic tendencies. Much of the Southeastern and lower Midwestern States are culturally and politically aligned. Hawaii should be allowed to secede as most of its population wants. Alaska should be allowed to secede as well. Miami, southern Florida, and the Keys should be allowed to be its own independent Hispanic enclave as it has no intention of ever being anglicized. The greatest enemy of the globalists is SECESSIONARY MOVEMENTS FOR INDEPENDENCE. They absolutely hate it. Think about it!

  • deerinwater

    Well, you can not allow your family to dictate your thoughts , while I feel that most families would be proud to think for you. ~ Coming here came be addictive and if you have an addictive personality like most people do, you can over indulge here and there is little to stop you.

    So the question would be, “What or who” are you neglecting in coming here? Only you know the answer to that.

    We are all confronted with this same question, an accounting of how each of us spends our time, our life and who do we actually serve. While to be informed is most important when asked to make ANY decision.

    To come here carrying a strong bias is a self validation of sorts. To come here to preach to the choir does much the same thing.

    Answers are a dime a dozen, ~ leave here with a good Question and go find your answer. Learn to find answers, learn to use browsers, ~ learn the difference between opinions and commentary and facts. Be mindful of omissions, what is not being said, what is not being offered.

    Facts are much harder to find when they are skillfully omitted.

    The term “experts” is used far too often, ~ an expert say this or that, ~ experts needs to have a name and a title , an address and credentials . If this can not be offered, they are not experts at anything but making false statements.

    The number of “experts” that has reviewed Bronco Obama birth certificate are in the hundreds, while none has a name or address.

    Understand , just because you “read it” does not make it so.

    Enjoy your day, ~ I too must account for my time ~ and there is never enough.

    and remember, ~ look for what is missing. Learn to do this , not just here but everywhere.

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