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It’s A Start

June 24, 2011 by  

It’s A Start

President Barack Obama’s decision to bring home 10,000 of the 33,000 “surge” troops in Afghanistan by the end of the year and the remainder by September 2012 is obviously a political ploy. Regardless, it’s a start.

The mission’s accomplished (apologies to President George W. Bush). Osama bin Laden is dead. Obama told us so a few weeks ago. The Taliban cut and ran to Pakistan.

Since then, we’ve been fighting the tribes that make up the barbaric state of Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan. Nation-building in a country that, for the most part, hasn’t advanced much beyond the 10th century is a fool’s errand.

History is rife with empires that crashed against the rocks of the Afghanistan mountains.

Of course, removing the surge troops will leave about 70,000 still in the combat zone. We’re still fighting wars in Iraq, Pakistan, Libya and Yemen. Billions of dollars a day are spent so America can control — or attempt to control — what goes on in lands far away.

It’s a start, Mr. President, but that’s all it is. Bring them all home: from Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Yemen and Syria. And while you’re at it, bring home those “protecting” Europe from the threat that ended with the demise of the Cold War. And bring home those in Japan and South Korea and wherever they are supporting Pax Americana.

It’s time for empire America to return to its republican roots.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • DaveH

    Why our country will probably continue down the tubes:
    http://mises.org/daily/5400/The-Real-Problem-with-Weiner

    • James Hay

      Yeah With The Lawless Gang Of Thugs That We Have In Control Of Our Government Currently I’d Have To Agree With You Wholeheartedly.Off Course That What Obama And His Regime Of Traitors Are Trying To Accomplish. If Obama Gets Re-Elected Our Country Has Had It!

      • EddieW

        I fear our Country has had it, if Obozo, our Liar in chief stays in another 2 years!! He has 80% destroyed our country in his first 2 years, I’m sure he can finish it in the next two!! Our country is going Communist anyway, with or without him!! and it’s being done City by City throughout the US…Rapid City just signed on!! Please see this video and pass it on…you have to fix the (dot)!

        http://www.youtube(dot)com/watch?v=51iAilbjy8o&feature=player_embedded

        • http://google lubie63

          Bush destroyed our country [insult removed].

          • http://cesarfs.blogspot.com/ Cesar Fernández-Stoll

            Why? Why is ti that time does not pass for the ones that expect everything to be given to them. Bush and his government, with his mistakes, weaknesses and many accomplishments, oh right, and much more leadership than what Barrack Hussein Obama will every be able to deliver; is gone. Obviously at least you, are missing him dearly, maybe because of the realization that after all the problem in Washington and with it, the USA, are not a matter of Bush or not Bush, but of what the establishment has become. So, my suggestion, get out of the denial stage and start working on the truth about the country that needs to be with a Nation under God and the fact that it is freedom for the individual the starting point and that, can only start by letting go all those entitlements that are nothing but a fat, that needs to be removed because government is not going to deliver on the economy. Governments only can destroy or stagnate prosperity, not do anything positive about it. Only free enterprise and free markets can bring back prosperity. Bush is gone and Obama, is just a poor incompetent bystander watching how his country, it ios his country, right? goes in flames while he, dreams of yet another golf game or another party… oh, and yes, he wants to be re-elected.

          • http://naver samurai

            Bush, baaaaa! GOP, baaaaa! Chaaaaange! Another lost little sheep playing the bash Bush card again. Can’t you libs come up with something different. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Dan az

            Lupie
            We are going to see at least 5 wars started before your butt buddy gets kicked out and all you can do is blame bush.Let me entertain your little mind with some facts.
            Syria is the central piece of two important energy corridors. The first links Turkey and the Caspian to Israel and the Red Sea and the second links Iraq to the Mediterranean. The surrender of Syria would mean that Washington and its allies would control these energy routes. It would also mean that the large natural gas fields off the Lebanese and Syrian coastline in the Eastern Mediterranean would be out of reach for China and would instead go to the E.U., Israel, and the U.S.

            The Eastern Mediterranean gas fields have been the subject of negotiations between the E.U., Turkey, Iran, Syria, and Lebanon. Aside from the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) Pipeline, the existence of the Levantine natural gas fields is also the reason why the Kremlin has created a military foothold in Syria for the Russian Federation. This has been done by upgrading Soviet-era naval facilities in Syria. Moreover, it has been Iran that has agreed to explore and help develop these natural gas fields off the Levantine coast for Beirut and Damascus.
            Know this is just one of the countries that is now being readied for an attack.They are considering a small nuke that was just developed and want to test it.By the way clinton almost used it but was to preoccupied with his cigars.
            So if you want to learn whats going on I would suggest you go to this site and learn something of facts rather than being a complete idiot.Come back when your done and then try to communicate above a third grade level.http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=home

        • rsharif

          It’s all an effing con game. People think that they have a choice in voting for who becomes president. It’s all an illusion to think such a thing. It’s always the same face with a different mask controlled by the invisible government “the architects of control” who are the ones who really call the shots. Why do you think that regardless of who holds the presidency nothing ever changes for the best but always changes for the worst. The people hated Bush for starting wars and now they hate Obama for doing the same dam thing. And it goes on and on until this country is completely destroyed by the controlling elite. Obama, as well as all the other presidents has his script written for him by these people (with the exception of Kennedy who didn’t follow his and was assassinated for not doing so}. Obama is only trying to gain popularity for reelection using this ploy to bring the troops home which was the same ploy he used to gain the peoples confidence (con game)during his campaign speeches. No president works for the people of the United States of America. They work for Wall Street and the Corporation. I would strongly suggest that those that see this comment read these two articles: http://www.taroscopes.com/miscellanous-pages/weapons.html http://www.taroscopes.com/miscellanous-pages/weapons-additional.html

          • Bus

            I disagree with a couple of your statements. The media hated Bush and publicized that hatred until it seemed like everyone was against the war. They can’t criticize Obama for anything so even tho many people disagree with the war the media is mum on the issue, giving the impression that the people are OK with it.
            Obama has to keep those troops employed overseas at least until the election next year because 90% of the military will vote against him and until he gets his Americorps (that’s with a silent P Berry) army together to confront the real military he has to find ways to keep the soldiers out of the country. Reminiscent of the story 1984.

          • Dan az

            rsharif
            Check out this link and see what you think,I think it just about covers it.
            http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25302

      • Raymond

        Reelected??
        Obama and company stole the last “election” and they’ll steal the next one.

    • Mike in MI

      DaveH -
      Thanks for that “Von Mises” link. Wee-wee Weiner seems so truely a caricature and omen of our times and, sadly, of Americans in so-o-o many ways. We’ve always had our share of strutting peacocks who look down their long noses (or other appendages) at everybody else. But in past times someone or something usually showed up to pull them back down to earth and instill a little humility. Now, in our PC fog, anybody with some common sense gets dashed. So, the weeners of the world, the Oblama-lama-ding-dong’s, the Bawnie Phwanques and similar caricatures of leadership continue building their notoriety (notoriously) impressing, through their own fervent efforts, their faces (and sundry body parts) on the pages of history.
      It really beggars the imagination that, given what we’re demonstrably hurtling toward, they somehow think they will be given a place of honor in the books. Oh-h-h, they’ll get their place … alongside Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Himmler, the Rothschilds, Rockefellers and other monsters of destruction. But, hey! They wouldn’t – any single one of them – ever have gotten anywhere without a willing and gullible followership. Just like the “good” people in Weener’s district – and the libs who impose themselves here.
      I suppose that’s why it’s predictable that at some point the world will get to an ‘Armeggedon point.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      DaveH,
      I thought Nobummer said he wanted to bring the remainder home by 2014, not 2012 as stated, here. I couldn’t watch the live “performance” but caught some of it and I could have sworn he said 2014. He wants to keep them over seas so he can “lose” their absentee votes like last time!!!

      • DaveH

        Good point, Joe. I wouldn’t put anything past that guy.

      • Dan az

        Hey Joe long time
        He is about to begin taken on syria the last thing he would do is bring them home.Check out this site and look up syria.
        http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=home
        When I started looking around I found that we may use nukes on Iran its been on the books for a while and now they are talking about using them again because of bio and chemical threats that are being reported on by the pentagon.They now have them small enough that they can use them in bunker bombs and keep the radiation levels down to a min.Scary stuff it looks like the russians are in syria trying to hold ground and they will be in the mix of things.Sounds like to me we are on the verge of world war three.

        • Dan az

          Turkey has agreed that NATO can turn its airbase in Turkey into a base for ground operations into Syria.

          The country will become the main base in the area for the US-led military alliance’s ground forces.

          NATO’s Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen has said the alliance will transfer the bulk of its ground forces from a military base in the city of Heidelberg in southwestern Germany.

          Other troops will arrive from Spain to be placed at the Izmir Air Station in western Turkey, which will now become the centre for ground troops.

          Turkey has recently toughened its opinion on neighbouring Syria, where unprecedented civilian unrest has led to the deaths of many people.

          Ankara has already created its own military bases close to the common border with Syria.

          • Dan az

            Even as the Obama administration prepares to launch a full ground war in Libya while expanding its drone attacks inside Yemen and Pakistan, US warships are being moved towards the Mediterrenean coast of Syria, precisely in line with forecasts that the Bilderberg Group intended to launch a massive new war in the Middle East, with Syria being its prime target.

            In addition to information received by Infowars from military sources at Ft. Hood who tell us that troops are being readied for a full-scale U.S.-led ground invasion of Libya by October, the Obama administration is simultaneously considering opening up yet another front, by moving the USS Bataan amphibian air carrier strike vessel, along with 2,000 marines, 6 war planes, and 15 attack helicopters to a location just off the Syrian coast.

            “This huge concentration of naval missile interceptor units looks like preparations by Washington for the contingency of Iran, Syria and Hizballah letting loose with surface missiles against US and Israeli targets in the event of US military intervention to stop the anti-opposition slaughter underway in Syria,” reports DebkaFile.

            Another indication that the US is planning an intervention in Syria is the fact that Hizballah has moved its rockets from northern Lebanon to areas in the center of the country, acting on a warning from Iranian intelligence to move the weaponry “out of range of a possible American operation in Syria”.

            Veteran reporter Jim Tucker’s warning, provided to him by his routinely accurate inside sources, that the powerful Bilderberg Group was planning a gargantuan new war in the Middle East to outstrip anything taking place in Libya, is now moving forward.

            On Monday, journalist Adrian Salbuchi also told Russia Today that Bilderberg’s “hidden agenda” towards Syria would make itself visible after the conclusion of the elitist confab in St. Moritz, Switzerland, a forecast already coming to fruition.

            Syrian rights organizations say that around 1,300 civilians have been killed since the start of the uprising in March against President Bashar Assad. Around 300 soldiers and police have also been killed. Thousands of Syrians fled the town of Maarat al-Numaan yesterday as government troops and tanks moved north.

            The US military-industrial complex has been very choosy about who it targets for regime change under the umbrella of “humanitarian intervention”. Despite the fact that protesters in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia have been the victims of similarly brutal government crackdowns, the US has turned a blind eye.

            Quite how the Obama administration believes the United States can afford to prosecute yet another war while it is still engaged in two major occupations and a number of other regional conflicts, and as top ratings agencies warn the country is about to lose its triple A credit status due to insurmountable debt problems, is a mystery.

          • Dan az

            he military deployment of US-NATO forces is occurring in several regions of the World simultaneously. Militarization at the global level is instrumented through the US military’s Unified Command structure: the entire planet is divided up into geographic Combatant Commands under the control of the Pentagon. According to (former) NATO Commander General Wesley Clark, the Pentagon’s military road-map consists of a sequence of war theaters: “[The] five-year campaign plan [includes]… a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia and Sudan.”

          • Dan az

            I don’t know about you but it sure sounds like world war to me.The fact that Russia and China are now joining together to stop the take over of syria because of the oil and that we don’t care sounds like the dictator is about to start something that we can’t do anything about.Sure its not his fault he is just taking orders from behind the curtain and the UN is now running the show with the direct orders from the buildibergs and CFR and IMF.I would really be surprised if it didn’t take hold by the end of this summer rather than Oct.So with this in mind do you really think we are going to have an election?I feel that the last one was the last.

          • Dan az

            Last one I promise!
            Russia and its CSTO allies are being intimidated by U.S. and NATO bases and the missile shield in Eastern Europe.

            -The Obama Administration has declared that it intends to violate the national boundaries of other nations it thinks have terrorists. In this regard the Revolutionary Guard in Iran has been declared a terrorist organization.

            -In 2010, the Obama Administration creatively redefined the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) to serve its geo-strategic interests. It declared that it had the rights to violate the NPT by attacking Iran with nuclear weapons.

            -The missile shield systems in Israel, the Persian Gulf, and Turkey are ready or will be in place soon.

            Currently, a war is being fought by Washington, Tel Aviv, the Al-Sauds, and their allies against the Resistance Bloc. This war is not a conventional war, but one that includes low-spectrum warfare and intelligence operations. The fighting with Fatal Al-Islam in Lebanon and the terrorist attacks by Jundallah in Eastern Iran are facets of this war, as is the aim of regime change in Syria.

            Any possible wars against Iran or Syria will not be fought in isolation. If attacked in an open war, Syria and Iran will be fought at the same time.

            In the case of a major war involving Syria, Iran, and their regional allies, the chances of revolution and riots in the Arab World were certain. In a manner of speaking the Arab upheavals of 2011 have worked to pre-empt Arab societies from igniting in the case of such a regional war, which presents the Pentagon, Israel, and NATO a new strategic opportunity for confrontation.

  • s c

    This prez grew up hating colonialism and imperialism. Isn’t it strange how this prez never lets mere details get in his way? By keeping our ‘colonial/imperial’ military forces spread around the world, his behavior is the same as those he claims to despise. In his case, it’s most fortunate that he can’t be made an honorary member of an elite fighting group or we’d never hear the end of it.
    Utopians are never well-grounded in reality, and the current Poser-in-Chief has to rely on a defective teleprompter and an unending chorus of well-paid fakirs whose job it is to continually praise the “great deeds and wonders” of the nonentity behind the curtain.
    Lately, he talks about a ‘start,’ BUT it’s not over until ALL of our military forces are home and are no longer engaged in policing the world via ‘making the world safe for democracy.’ Duh.
    To most people, it’s rough on the nerves to claim to hate this and that while you do the same things that you claim to hate. But then, this is what utopians do. He belongs back in Chicago, where being a wannabe thug is seen as socially just and politically liberating.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      s c.. The days of the United States being the world police are over. We have to clean up America before we can clean up other hot spots. So much of the death and wars are nothing but political ploys that help along politicians in their careers. Who will come to our aid if the situation was reversed?

      • DaveH

        Leaders love war. It gives them more power.

    • Polski

      when was it that Dubya and Cheney brought all the troops home? Was it just rumor that Dubya and Cheney started a war in Iraq?

      • Patrick

        Don’t waste your time on this site Polski because no matter what happens it’s always the Democrats’ fault.Yes the Democrats have made some screw ups there is no doubt about that ,I just wish both parties would work together for the benefit of the USA.

        • Bob

          All that has to happen is that the democrats actually start working for the USA instead of against the USA.

          • eddie47d

            …and our invasion of Iraq didn’t help our credibility in the world either and worked against us. Still got those blinders on Bob?

          • John S.

            This is a reply to Eddie,

            So you are telling me taking out Hussein was not a popular move? The only people that believed our credibility went done were those who choose to believe in the media morons that pushed the idea that we should not have been there. Remember we held out in WWII and look what happened. EDDIE you need to open your eyes buddy. If we hide behind freedom for all and do not contest inhuman liberties on others we will be into it up to necks again. So fight on Americans never surrender and never retreat. Because if we do we will be talking agin in a few years about how to take out the evil in the world.

          • Alex

            Bob–most of my friends and family are registered Democrats but many others are Greens, Republicans, Libertarians, Peace & Freedom or other, smaller parties. I am to the Left of most, and I see “countries” as archaic. God does, as well.

            Should you wish to honor me by saying that I, personally, am “working against America”, I thank you and applaud your sharp perception. To label all Democrats, however, as “working against America” is really stupid, and underscores the hysterical nature of all Fright Wing Tea Party positions.

            Much the way many Christians close their minds to even the thought of anyone other person’s Spiritual beliefs, most Reich Wingers circle their Hummers and view all variant socio-political thought as treason at worst or, at the least, ‘un-American’—-whatever the heck THAT means! This is why positive, creative, and, well, thoughtful and reasonable peopleview you with such Humor—your unwarranted fear and inability to process the PROGRESS of Humanity has you convulsed in hysteria.

            None of the many many people dear to me who are members of political parties in this country are working against America, and it is an insullt to their hard work and misguided sense of patriotism for you to state otherwise.

            Patriotism, after all, is a virus, a very dangerous virus that has decimated the Romans, the Nazis, the Stalinists and Maoists, and will, in time, lay waste to this country and all others. Remember, the Einsatzgruppen SS butchers who murdered their way through Eastern Europe were patriots, also. Just ask any of the ones left.

          • karolyn

            I like your views Alex.

          • DaveH

            Your extreme naivete is showing, Alex.
            Many of us can’t even get along with our spouses, and you expect the whole world of people to get along under a one-size-fits-all World Government? Of course the leaders of the proposed one-world central government love the idea. They would be well-insulated from the scrutiny of the masses, and very safe from losing their positions.
            Our founders knew the problems inherent with Central Government and they did they best to protect us from it, but it didn’t take long for unscrupulous leaders to thwart that protection.
            Unless you are in the political class, Alex, you are a fool to advocate such.

          • http://Personalliberty Tony

            To Alex:
            That’s a good post. You’re right, we can’t continue to go the path
            of colonizers of the world. We keep this up then our nation will
            end up like those examples you mentioned. Actually, the best example is that of Russia today. 25 yyrs ago, they were a super power. Look
            where they’re at now!?! That will be our future if we’re not careful.
            Finally, this war like attitude reminds of a scene from the sci-fi
            classic “Beneath the Planet of the Apes.” The head ape general “Mecos”
            stated when dealing with diplomatic problems “Invade, Invade!!” Think about what our modern politicians support? Thanks!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Bob,
            I saw on three different news programs today that a LARGE majority are against Nobummers treatment of the economy. He doesn’t show a lot of common sense by releasing fuel from the reserve when we are mired in three different wars and might need it. Drilling here, releasing a couple of permits for the building of refineries, and pushing for more research into a more productive way of extracting shale oil would lower the price of oil better than releasing less than a weeks worth of consuption!

          • DaveH

            The real irony of Alex’s dream of One World Government is the reality that since the United States is still the wealthiest country in the world, we can only stand to lose as the wealth is distributed to the poor nations of the world. Even Alex’s meager earnings will fall well within the envious eyes of World citizens, making 1/10 of Alex’s annual income, who will be eager to split Alex’s “wealth” among themselves.
            I wish I knew him personally so I could see his eyes when what he wishes for comes true, and they are eagerly helping themselves to his assets.

          • Palin12

            Alex

            Simple question for you.
            If we had your One World Government, just who exactly is going to be King of the World?

          • eddie47d

            John S. the 24/7 warrior. Okay then let’s invade Rwanda or the Congo or Pakistan or Mexico or China. Put your flak jacket on and get moving.

          • JC

            Alex, A One World Government = One World Slavery and Genocide.
            You ready to step up and one of the first ones gassed for your higher ideals?

          • Raymond

            Communists/Democrats are one and the same.

    • Mike in MI

      s c -
      Actually, it should come as no surprize that he (they – generically, as libs) can make such violent shifts of illogic and moral EQUIVOCATION, should it? Just look at how they use words. They’ve been shifting meanings of all kinds of words and phrases to hide what they’re doing (or intend to do). That way they can say whatever they want and, if questioned about it, say it was meant in some other context or the listener/critic got confused.
      It happens so much among the progs I Refuse to listen to them anymore at all. A leader needs to be definite and definitive of what he means and wants or intends.
      If someone is destructive of clarity, definition and concise precision with words he is hiding his true motives and goals or he has come to the leaders’ position through someone else’s craft and disbursement. In other words he is probably incompetent and can expect to be expendable to those who connived to make him leader.
      Could it be that is the reason Obama is not allowwed to get too deeply involved in anyting except basketball, bowling, golf, games, parties, travel, vacations and bill signing ceremonies?
      What else? It is so obvious he is either afraid of or is kept hidden from the limelight…like, he hardly even makes an appearance at disasters, he’s so weak and lackluster. Somebody’s afraid for America to get to know him.

      • karolyn

        He’s made appearances at several disasters. Personally, I really think that he can’t do what he would really like to do because the President always has to be in a position of compromise, and he isn’t a dictator. Nobody really knows. Maybe there are people pulling the strings. If so, he is just caught in a web. Reading his books shows me that he at least was a man of principle and vision. It is hard for me to understand how someone with deep conviction would change into what you seem to think he is. I don’t buy it. Call me gullible, naive, whatever. I could give a rat’s patootie!

        • DaveH

          Obama is a Dictator. The GM takeover, the Health Care takeover, the unilaterally launched war in Libya, the gulf drilling moratorium, and the EPA “carbon” requirements in spite of the fact that Congress voted against a “carbon” tax, all point in that direction.
          Obama is pretty much doing as he damn well pleases. I can’t imagine how crazy he would go if there wasn’t so much intense opposition to his policies.

        • Mike in MI

          karolyn – You don’t have to worry about giving yer “rat’s patootie” ’cause at the rate Obama and those who wrote his “biography” for him are going it won’t be long before someone in a government uniform will intrude into your house looking to take IT or just about anything else they want to confiscate (with or without a warrant).
          You are watching how police states get set up…liberalism/progressivism taken to their unavoidable conclusion. Every time!! – some level or degree of martial law. The only variable is how fast and fully the ants in the colony become compliant.

  • Michael J.

    Congratulations America! For now and up until the 2012 presidential election, your needs and Obama’s coincide. You need a break from Democracy demolition and Obama needs your vote. No, things won’t actually get better, they’ll just stop getting worse for a while. Then once he is sucessful, it’ll be hammer-down time again on everything Obama hates about this country.

    Be wise, use this brief reprieve to prepare.

    • karolyn

      What exactly does Obama hate about this country?

      • Bob Marshall

        Where have you been. Apparently not listening to his speeches and investigating what has transpired on his watch.All the harm that has been done by former presidents can’t be undone but re-electing this socialist president will only make matters more dire can any of us can imagine. I adimt that like many American i was ignorant of what was happening in my own government. That is until i did months of research on every subject from the CIA atrocities dating back to 1947 until the present to Obama and his cabinet and administration. I for one am gratefult there are still sites that aren’t afraid to print the truth. That won’t always be the case. Michelle saying her husband needs four more years to finish what he started should wake America up.

      • JeffH

        karolyn, I suggest that you read “The Manchurian President: Barack Obama’s Ties to Communists, Socialists and Other Anti-American Extremists” by Aaron Klein with Branda J. Elliot.

        All your worst fears will be confirmed. Using Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” as their guide, “progressives” (otherwise known as communists) have, since the 1970s, been boring from within, hiding their anti-American beliefs and allegiances to infiltrate the nation’s universities, its media, and to gain power in its various levels of government.
        They have now hit the jackpot with the election of Barack Obama as president.
        Klein’s book is intensively researched and footnoted with 54 pages of citations. On May 15th, “The Manchurian President”, made it to the famed New York Times list of bestselling books.

        If you had any doubts that President Obama is a Marxist, you can put them aside. He was what has come to be called “a red diaper baby”, raised, mentored, and steeped in the socialist ideology that calls for a “redistribution of wealth.”

        Americans who have essentially been sleep-walking through their recent history as socialist legislation from Social Security to Medicare and dozens of other governmental control over key sectors of the economy were unconstitutionally foisted on them in the form of agencies such as the Environmental Protection Agency and the Departments of Education and Energy. There is no authority in the Constitution for them.

        From the unions to ACORN, the process has aggressively moved ahead in the first year and a half of the Obama administration.
        http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/23419

        • JC

          Good effort Jeff, but like all Liberals…Karolyn would probably like the answer to be all encompassing and less than two sentences.
          Actual research seems to be anathema to them.

        • eddie47d

          I see Jeff is back with the name calling. A progressive is a “communist” crap. Of coarse he calls Democrats and Liberals communists too so then maybe turn around is fair play . Libertarians are Fascists and Republicans are Nazi’s. That okay with you dirt digger?

          • JC

            Still putting Scotch on your Commie Flakes nut job?

          • eddie47d

            Nope but I’m sure you have been nipping.

          • JeffH

            eddie, again and as usual you show that any combination of comprehension and reading aren’t any of your strong points. You accused me in your comment of name calling but because of your inherent disability you failed to notice that I called “no one” any names. You are just so full of malarkey.

          • DaveH

            As an unbiased observer (lol), I can definitely agree that Jeff did not call anybody names.

      • Michael J.

        karolyn,
        Tell us again who it is that you work for?

        • DaveH

          Well, it depends on her mood. Sometimes she says Americorps, and other times she denies that.

          • Michael J.

            Thanks for reminding me Dave. The point I intended to make was that Karolyn never mentions her vested interest in the continued success of Barack and Michelle. Michelle, who played a part in the founding of Americorps, and Barack for his ongoing support of the six billion dollar social justice army of which Karolyn is a loyal foot soldier.

          • Jay

            Know your enemy!

  • http://burkecomputers.blogspot.com/ DanB

    While I do believe the Middle East (and most of the World) is quagmire we should get the United States military out of, there are all sorts of alarm bells going off in my head about this troop withdrawal. When we have radicals in control of our government seeking to fundamentally transform our nation, I am thinking they are up to something that has nothing to do with Afghanistan. Are we going to be sending “more” troops to Libya instead? Or are they trying to embolden the Taliban and weaken our negotiating stance? Are they after the destruction of Israel? They way our leaders (and much of the media, professors, etc.) treat Israel lately, I am inclined to believe they would like to finish the job that Hitler started–because whatever conspiracy theories you follow, there is one thing you should be able to confirm and that is our Christian foundation for freedom and free market economy has its roots in Judaism. Perhaps that is why Jews make such effective capitalists that we become jealous of their wealth and seek to vilify them all.

    • Al Sieber

      Dan, sometime in late Sept. or Oct. World War 3 will start when we go into Libya, Syria, Iran, etc. this has all been planned per “Project For A New American Century”.

      • Carlucci

        Yes, and I’m wondering if that will coincide with drafting all of the young kids who are delinquent on their student loans.

        • ValDM

          No, No. It won’t be the ones with delinquent student loans who are drafted, it will be the ones who have a job & producing something of value that will be taken. Thereby allowing a “system sucker” to take the newly vacated job.

        • Al Sieber

          Good question Carlucci, is that what’s in the works? they just about have their control grid in.

        • eddie47d

          Nothing new there Carlucci. It’s always the poor,unemployed or those who can’t pay their student loans who get drafted or coerced into the military for survival.

        • DaveH

          I haven’t heard anything about that, Carlucci, but I don’t think even Obama would be ignorant enough to go there. If his loses his young, naive voters, he’s screwed.

          Conscription is the most vile form of Slavery, as there is no greater taking of your Freedom than to compel you to put your life at stake.

      • karolyn

        Talk about ME being in lalaland.

        • Carlucci

          ValDM, Al, Eddie47d, and karolyn – I posted this the other day from the Lew Rockwell newsletter. Scroll down in the article to where it says “Students forced into the Military to repay debts.”

          It would not surprise me if this is all part of the evil plan from the elite evil doers to (1) entrap the youth of America into student loan debt courtesy of the govt, using the “You can’t get a good job without a college education” scam, all the while failing to mention that many college grads can’t get a good job these days anyway because there aren’t many private sector jobs thanks to over regulation from government shutting down private businesses and free enterprise, and (2)taking anything from government always has strings attached, and that could even mean conscription. It doesn’t look like all of this bullsh** imperialism is going to stop anytime soon, so I’m sure the federal mafia will be in dire need of more strong young able bodies to “serve” as cannon fodder; (i.e., draft). Did anyone see the news a few days ago where the armed forces have decided that it is now offcially a-okay for women to start fighting in combat alongside men?

          I sent this article to a friend of mine who is a CPA. He said if money is owed to the feds, whether it is in the form of taxes or loans, failure to pay or repay is considered to be a criminal offense. He said student loans are not considered to be entitlements, but a contract. He also said that he read an article recently about debtors prisons making a comeback. Since the prison system is one of the largest industries in America, the possibility of this would not surprise me.

          So, in a nutshell, the youth of America has been played all along by the PTB, using one Barack Obama to lead them down the primrose path to destruction. Our youth will be vilified and accused of not being “patriotic” if they balk at being drafted.

          • Carlucci

            Well, damn…….all of that and I forgot to post the link. Is this menopause thing a blast, or WHAT????? (NOT – !!!) :(

            http://lewrockwell.com/rep2/door-to-shut-for-americans.html

          • Al Sieber

            Well Carlucci, my grand daughter is over there and she’s wondering what she got her self into.

        • Jay

          Ok Karolyn, let’s talk about you being in la la land!

  • Bob

    Now, if we just put these soldiers to work at our borders shooting drug smugglers and turning back illegals we can make some progress in this country. In 2012, we could put a couple of GIs at each polling place to keep maobama’s scumbag brownshirts from threatening people like they did in 2008. It will be good to have them home; we should not waste one more life keeping muslim murderers from killing other muslim murderers.

    • Polski

      Was Obama’s threatening technique during elections better or worse than Dubya and Cheneys?

      • Bob

        There were no threats made by Bush and Cheney supporters [insult removed]. If there had been, the scumocrat controlled press would have been all over it.

        • Bob

          Political correctness and timidity trump truth once more.

          • eddie47d

            I assume you are using that ONE black panther with a billy club as your brownshirt. There was no conspiracy in that incident to take down America. If that is what you meant then that makes you an extremist or a childish carpetbagger and a bigger troublemaker than who you accuse.

          • JC

            We can use the TSA as an example of Brown Shirts too.

    • karolyn

      Hey, we won’t need them to shoot drug smugglers if we end the war on drugs!

    • karolyn

      They won’t need to shoot drug smugglers if we end the war on drugs!

      • Cawmun Cents

        Apparently you dont understand how the black market works karolyn.It operates independently of governing bodies.What you are implying is that if we spend no money to fight against the importation of illicit substances,then we can control the flow into America.The reality is much more sinister that you can imagine.You are one of those”give the gubment control”people.What you may be failing to realize is that they have stakes in both sides of the”war on drugs”.And if by taking away the slice of pie(division of funding)in one area,you make it necessary to replace said funding in another.You obviously havent got the big picture yet,so I will decline further explaination.-CC.

        • DaveH

          Actually, Cawmun, I’m going to side with Karolyn on this one. The drug lords, smuggling, etc. are a direct result of the Drug Wars. We don’t have Alcohol Lords, do we? Because there is no profit in being an “Alcohol Lord”, as there would be no profit in being a Drug Lord if drugs were legalized. Prices would plummet, and the violence would plummet. In Portugal when they decriminalized drugs, the rate of usage remained the same or even declined a little:
          http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10080
          Combine that with the fact that prices would plummet, so there would be no further incentive to “push” drugs, as the profit just wouldn’t justify the effort. And Government would have to use some other excuse to bash down peoples’ doors, and take away our Constitutional rights.

          • Cawmun Cents

            Three points DaveH: 1>We have alcohol lords,they run the government policed(mostly international government)beverage companys,most of which now are foreign owned(and put out lousy product I might add).Would you like our drug companies to be foreign owned DaveH? 2>Portugal,is nothing like America.Although I have to say,they do have beautiful women,and make fine wine.But as far as having Avarice like Americans do….nope. 3>Gubment will bash down your doors if they so desire for any reason.Especially if they cannot collect funds to fight imaginary”drug”wars.It is not the war that is imaginary,it is that they are actively fighting against it.Yousee if that were true then they would be fiercely protecting the border.Since they are not,it behooves one to contemplate where the excess fundage is going.Do you read me DaveH?I am saying that if you remove that slice of pie from the equation,they will necessarily need to compensate in another area.Capice?-CC.

          • DaveH

            Cawmun,
            I can only address their excuses for the drug wars. They (Government) may very well be complicit. In fact, I think there is high likelihood that they are complicit, and that’s why they don’t really want to end the wars because that would cut into their paychecks.
            We, the citizens, need to be smarter and learn from history.
            It’s been 40 years now. Are they winning yet?
            What the Drug Wars are costing us every year:
            http://www.drugsense.org/cms/wodclock

          • DaveH

            And no, Cawmun, I do not “capice”. By your way of thinking, we should just all put our hands up and give up to the Socialists.

  • George

    We should really be sending more troops to Afghanistan. Forget Libya.

  • nothingbeatswinnig

    we have the greatest military in the world. we (our govt) is not trying to win and wipe out the taliban and al-quida. we shd have 500,000 thousand troops in afgan and iraq. if thats not enough, send in more. we cannot allow taliban/al-quida to have a santuary in pakistan. go in there and wipe them out too. any american citizen (or media) who protests our efforts, must be jailed. our country does not need those citizen. this is the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, we must not back down to anyone.

    we must end our misguided war in libya.

    • Bob

      Your views are as niave as any lieberals. America does not have the wealth in dollars or men to police the world. The best way to protect America is to remove all terrorists (muslims) from our soil and then deport all lieberals who want to spend us in to bankruptcy. If you look at the sorry excuses we see for men in Europe, you can see the end result of wasting the best and the brightest on useless wars while leaving the unfit at home to reproduce. The number of lieberals in this country shows that we are already headed down that road; we need to stop being the world’s policeman now before we become like Europe.

      • Thinking About

        So liebertians must be cousins with lieberals.

        • Bob

          Actually, they are – their moral “standards’ are no different from those of lieberals; they are often pro-drug use, pro-abortion, and so on. Libertarians are not conservatives.

          • eddie47d

            Since this is a Libertarian site (so they claim) it will be interesting to see how they respond to little Bobby.

          • JeffH

            eddie says: “Since this is a Libertarian site (so they claim)…”

            eddie, your problem is that you can’t read, comprehend or both.

            Who says this is a Libertarian website? Not Bob Livingston, who defines himself as ultra-conservative.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear eddie47d,

            You still don’t get it, do you? As long as you’ve been here you should realize by now I am no ideologue. I am beholden to no party. My responsibility is to God and the Constitution, in that order.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Mr. Livingston,
            Better thoughts I haven’t heard in a long time!! As you say, keep some dry!!

          • eddie47d

            Jeff; They,meaning the commenter’s,including you, say”they” are Libertarians. Including Dave and Dan and Kate etc. No lack of comprehending there or are you slinking away from being labeled a Libertarian? Livingston shouldn’t even have jumped in unless you and he are agreeing with what the other Bob said. “That Libertarians are not Conservatives”. If the shoe fits …wear it.

          • eddie47d

            Bob Livingston; My apologies if you thought I was referring to you. It was the other Bob who has been posting lately. Thank You

          • JC

            Bob says:
            June 24, 2011 at 9:32 am
            Actually, they are – their moral “standards’ are no different from those of lieberals;
            ____________________________________________________________
            Actually, Libertarianism encompasses the best of both Classic Liberalism and Classic Conservatism.
            And the “War on Drugs” is a Classic failure.

          • JeffH

            DUH! eddie, as usual you’ll make every attempt to deflect away from your initial comment. I’ve never said I was a Libertarian, but then again you do have a built in excuse… you don’t have very strong reading and comprehension skills.

          • JeffH

            …DUH!…again I’ll point out that because of your deficiencies, everyone knew which Bob you were referring to…all to often your comments are as scrambled as your brain.

            If the shoe fits, wear it!

          • JeffH

            I’ll reiterate what Mr. Livingston said, “you still don’t get it”! I’m quite sure that is why Mr. Livingston made his comment.

          • DaveH

            I beg to differ, Bob. We are the True Conservatives. The kind you relate to are Faux Conservatives — those who want to control peoples’ bodies and choices. Personally, I wouldn’t even call you that. I lump your kind in with the others that advocate Big Government — the Liberals.
            Faux Conservatives don’t understand the concept of Freedom any more than the other kind of Liberals (Welfare Statists), they just have a different agenda to ram down our throats.

          • DaveH

            Thinking About and Bob are the Liars. Libertarians are not Pro-Drug, or Pro-Abortion. We just don’t believe in forcing our personal moral choices on other people, like the bully right-wingers who know nothing of Freedom.

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            Where have you seen Jeff or Kate say they’re Libertarian?
            Kate certainly isn’t. Jeff might be, but I haven’t heard him say it.

          • DaveH

            I might add that I don’t even take aspirin. And I’m about as close to a teetotaler as a person can get (maybe about 1 beer a year).
            Does that sound like Pro-Drug to anybody here?

          • DaveH

            One thing we all need to be mindful of is that the words Conservative and Liberal mean different things to different people. Both words have many different meanings.
            When I speak of a Conservative, I speak of somebody who embraces the principles that our country was founded on as embodied by the intent of the Framers of our Constitution.
            When I speak of a Liberal, I speak of somebody who casts aside the Freedom and Limited Government that was advocated by the Framers.
            Anybody who disdains the Freedom of people to control their own bodies and property free of Government busybodies, in my book, is a Liberal.
            So, by my definition, many Republicans are Liberal.
            And, I suppose there might be some Democrats who I would define as Conservative, though I haven’t met any.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, kudos to you. I agree with you and particularly your last post. FYI, I’m not much on party affiliations the same way I’m not much into religeous affiliations, ie Babtist, Catholic etc., but I do believe in freedom and liberty for all. I’ve evolved quite a bit over the last few years, but my patriotism and beliefs remain steadfast. Constitutional conservative or Libertarian…both work just fine for me. :)

          • DaveH

            What separates Libertarians from the other political parties besides a much stronger grasp of the term Freedom, is that to Libertarians life is much more serious than a football game. We don’t just blindly let our emotions dictate our course in life. Rather we analyze situations and think logically about the outcomes of our choices.
            Here is an example:
            http://reason.org/news/show/the-ends-didnt-justify-the-means

          • JC

            I’m with you DaveH. I don’t use drugs and I don’t advocate the use of drugs. I don’t drink, and I don’t advocate alcohol, its a poison worse than marijuana could ever be and it does a lot more damage to our society. And like you, I believe that what people do with their own bodies is their own business.

        • DaveH

          Thinking About,
          Calling Libertarians Liars frosts my cookies. We don’t need to lie. We aren’t pretending to be holier-than-thou like so many Religious hypocrites do. I have a brother like that, who puts on a good show, even chanted along with the priest at my mother’s funeral as if that made him special. But the truth is, he’s a sociopath. He’s taken bribes, he’s a chronic liar, and he uses whatever manipulative tactics he can to get his way and feather his own nest. I’ve known many other religious people who do similar things.
          I’ve never seen a Libertarian commentator tell a lie. That’s not to say we don’t have some liars in our ranks. I’m sure we do. But I haven’t witnessed them. When I post an article from a Libertarian site, I can be reasonably sure that I don’t need to carefully scrutinize the article for misinformation before I post it, because Libertarians don’t need to lie. The facts speak for themselves.

          • DaveH

            And we Libertarians are the only Political Class of people who don’t excuse away basic morality just because it suits our purposes.
            We think taking money away from other people against their will is theft. We don’t absolve thieves just because they vote for somebody else to carry out the theft. We don’t absolve killers just because they vote for somebody else to do their killing.
            In Libertarian philosophy, people in Government are bound by the same rules of morality that people in Mainstream America are bound by.

      • karolyn

        Yeah, Bob, just deport eveyone who doesn’t think like you do! Sounds real American to me!

        • Raymond

          It’s people who think like you that helped
          to put Hitler into power.

      • Cawmun Cents

        So Bob…who gets to choose who we deport?Where do we start?How do you round up tens of millions and move them some where else?First you need the infrastructure to accomplish such a daring feat.Then…where to put them all?Actually I favor keeping them.They are like going to the freakshow booth at the state fair.Some of them are too horrible to imagine,and yet you just have to see what they will do next.They make me laugh,and want to cry at the same time.They are free entertainment.As nuch as I cant stand the politics of Hollywood,they are a clear representation of the malaise in the world.How do you know the extent of debauchery in the nation?Just take a tour of sunny California.You’ve likely all seen the ad.Its on Fox news regularly.Now….that being said,do I think they have destuctive tendencies?Of course.Do I think our nation would be better off without their brand of stubborn stupidity in the face of the Allmighty?Yes.But they are one glowing(Like a nuclear detonation)example of what not to be.You gotta give them that much credit.-CC.

    • karolyn

      WOW! You sound like Hitler!

      • eddie47d

        Karolyn; You were too kind to Bob.

        • DaveH

          She replied to NothingBeatsWinning.

  • Anthony

    Folks -

    Some of my FB friends, along the east coast, are telling me, that all four branches of the US Millitary have been engaged in practice drills, all along the east coast, for the past week.

    On top of that, all in-active reserves are in process of being re-activated. Apparently, the inactove portion of your tour of duty has been increased since I was USAF. I did four active and 2 inactive. now, it’s FOUR inactive. And, they are quietly re-activating all of them. I haven’t heard a word of this on the News, anywhere, but’it’s being outed on FB.

    Then, there are reports that ISRAEL is nationally practicing nuclear fallout drills – headin for the bunkers.

    It is our own US Military that’s over in LYBIA killing unarmed civilians while our own Media censors the events. FB is posting articles from other Countries, from all over about it.

    It was our CIA supported Rebels that setup a Central bank in Lybia – that reports directly to the World Bank – Folks, this is a TAKEOVER of another Country. THIS IS FASCISM.

    And, more than half of you, on this website, VOTED AGAINST BUSH in the 2008 election. i remember reading all your comments. Just look what you’ve done.

    If you paid attention to my last posting back in 2007, 2008.. maybe the outcomes could have been different.

    Now, what will you do….

    • Al Sieber

      You are right sir, something is up.

    • Carlucci

      Anthony – You must be kidding. Bush is just as bad as the creature that is in office now. This is no longer a democrat vs republican issue. The quagmire is caused by both parties on purpose. WAKE UP!

      • Al Sieber

        You’re right again Carlucci, there’s no difference.

        • independant thinker

          There are differences in the two parties. The difference is in the means they use to achieve the same end result.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            independant,
            The only real difference is the speed at which they go for their goals! I want to see a true constitutional conservative party!!!

          • Raymond

            How true.

      • Bob

        Bush was bad, but no where near as bad as maobama. Bush was misguided but he loves America. Maobama is intent on destroying America. To say that Bush was as bad as maobama is just not true.

        • eddie47d

          Wrong again Bob! The biggest argument on this site is the Patriot Act brought to you courtesy of Bush. Number two is the economy brought to you courtesy of Bush. Number three is the Iraq/Afghanistan War brought to you courtesy of Bush. Number four is illegal immigration brought to you by several Presidents but increased courtesy of Bush. You can dislike Obama for following Bush policies all you want but please turn on that light bulb in your noggin and see the light.

          • independant thinker

            “The biggest argument on this site is the Patriot Act brought to you courtesy of Bush.”

            The un-patriot act is the product of both parties. While it passed under Bush the republicans did not have the super majority to push it thru without a lot of help from the democrats. Then your hero obama pushed it thru again with enhancements when he did have a super majority and could have easily repealed it or made major modifications to reduce the intrusiveness of it.

          • independant thinker

            “Number three is the Iraq/Afghanistan War brought to you courtesy of Bush.”

            Bush got us into two wars Obama has added three more (Lybia, Pakistan, Yemin) while continuing the two Bush got us into.

          • Anthony

            THe Patriot Act(s) – were not written by our Politicians. They were written by those who control our currency and actually run the Country by hidden proxy.

            We’re talking about those inside the CFR, the Trilateral and Bilderberg.

            Trying to push this all back on BUSH is extremely weak commentary. In only 9 months, 911 and everything after was all Bush’s fault – when ABLE DANGER proved Clinton was who enabled 9/11 to occur.

            Everyone needs to just forget any idolitry for either Political Party’s Mission Statement, pull your heads out and start focusing on what you can do to reverse this BS. Something I doubt many here are investing in.

            Dems – destroy the Country’s economic abilities
            Repubs – work to take away our rights

            If only one Party were to do all that type of damage, then obviously THEY would never get elected. DOH…..

            It’s the number one reason the Bilderbergers do not want a 3rd Political Party that WE (the people) can turn to…

            It’s also the main reason that Ron Paul will not become an Independent. He’s going to do what he can to turn away the Federalists and bring back some Constitutional fervor to the Country.

            There are NO Democrats, whatsoever, who will ever step up and do that.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            eddie,
            nobummer has extended and strengthened the patriot act so he must agree with it. during his tenure the economy has not improved a bit, so he is just as bad as Bush. He got us involved in another war WITHOUT EVEN CONSULTING CONGRESS so he is even worse than Bush on that! you need to wake up, get your head out of your backside, and stop kissing Nobummers backside so much!!!

          • eddie47d

            Stop defending Nazi Bob,Okay Joe. I’m well aware that Obama is continuing some of Bush’s policies. All Presidents do that but apparently you haven’t been paying attention to what commentor Bob has been saying lately.

          • Jay

            Where Bush started and left off, Obama has continued and kicked it in HIGH GEAR!!! So what’s your point Eddie? Are you of the conviction that if Bush had not introduced the patriot act, the patriot act today would not exist? If not Bush, eventually someone else would have, Obama perhaps. Irrespective, my point? It was well in the plans long before 911!

          • JeffH

            Joe H.,
            eddie says “Stop defending Nazi Bob,Okay Joe. I’m well aware that Obama is continuing some of Bush’s policies. All Presidents do that but apparently you haven’t been paying attention to what commentor Bob has been saying lately.”

            Easy to see that you aren’t defending Bob, eddie doesn’t! eddie tailgating of Bob has got his nose so far up Bob’s backside he can’t see the road in front of himself… :)

          • Jay

            Wrong again Bob! The biggest argument on this site is the Patriot Act brought to you courtesy of Bush. Number two is the economy brought to you courtesy of Bush. Number three is the Iraq/Afghanistan War brought to you courtesy of Bush. Number four is illegal immigration brought to you by several Presidents but increased courtesy of Bush. You can dislike Obama for following Bush policies all you want but please turn on that light bulb in your noggin and see the light.

            So was your saying Eddie, is that Obama is of the same stripe as Bush, two birds of a feather, both sleeping in the same bed, on the same wavelength, partners in crime, both on the same team, both of the same mind-set, both in total agreement, co-conspiritors…Well you get my point! BTW, I totally agree with you!!!

    • skippy

      Anthony, IF I could have voted for BUSH in 2008, I darn well would have!!! :D

      • karolyn

        OMG!

    • Mike in MI

      Anthony -
      As far as Israel is concerned you can forget about nuclear rain falling on them. There will probably be all sorts of threats and incursions of various sorts there. It is destined to become the world’s number one hotspot, flash-point and focus of angst/hatred. But, figure first in all of it that God promised His son, the Lord Jesus that he would send him back to rule and carry out priestly dutes over those who are left of the children of Abraham (through Jacob). The Bible does not indicate anything about him ruling over a bunch of charred rocks… but PEOPLE – body and soul people.
      Israel will become more and more isolated as the Devil tries to use all his power and authority (of every sort) to wipe every Israelite off the face of the earth. At this point it is his only hope of thwarting God and His promises. As he is about to succeed the Lord Jesus will return, his army of believers following him.
      In order for things to get so dire for Israel the United States probably will have to be removed from the scene as a world power. Financial collapse, cataclysms, pestilence, civil war or a number of things are on tap that can bring that to pass. Whatever, there will be a sudden shift of world power leaving Israel with no allies facing unprecedented evil and massacres.
      The bewilderingly sudden rise of destructive, unopposable evil in the world is predicted and unstoppable until the end. If you think things are bad now…you ain’t seen nothin’ yet. People will blame it all on God – like they always have, wondering why He won’t stop it. But He can’t, because He does His best work for those who turn around (the meaning of the word repent) and willingly ally themselves with Him by carrying out the directions in Scripture – gladly. I’m sure He’s going to start doing a lot of really neat things – subtly – for those who learn to read, listen and follow His guidance. It’s a lot easier (and more fun) than the alternative.

      • Jay

        Mike, your spiritual vision is 20/20!!! Get ready to do some pruning and ploughing, get ready for peace and prosperity! God bless you!

  • Dan az

    The last time he said they were going to bring back troops from irag,he instead put them in afgan.The fact that he says he is going to bring back troops from afgan says we are about to see who is next in line for an azz kicking.So which one is it Yemen? Iran? Pakistan? Maybe Syria?Either way he is not going to let them return before the election.Or any time soon.This is just a ploy for numbers.Just because his lips move dosent mean that its the truth,far from it.The cost of having troops all over the world for the UN to have its strength is cost us tax payers 1 trillion a year.I think we need to find the janitor so we can put some one in office that can clean this toilet.

    • Al Sieber

      You’re right Dan, it’s going be endless wars, that’s what broke Rome.

      • eddie47d

        So true Al

        • Al Sieber

          Thanks eddie, it’s just history again.

  • James Hay

    The Whole Mission In These CountrIes Especially Iraq,Afghanistan And Pakistan Are An Great Waste Of American Money That The Career Parasites In Our Government Could Fill Their Bank Accounts With.Not To Forget All Of The Senseless Loss Of American Lives That Has Been And Continues To Be Lost Towards Attempting To Help An World Filled With Backwards Ingrateful People Who Only In Return Rewards The U.S With Treachery.Yeah I’d Ageed That It’s Time To Put Out The Fire And Call In The Dogs.

  • Rennie

    It’s pretty obvious, Afghanistan will be taken over by Iran and become part of the shia empire. With Obama’s support.

    • Bob

      Won’t happen, the Afghans will fight Iran just as they fought everyone else. It would be a good thing if Iran tried – muslim on muslim warfare is as good as it gets.

      • eddie47d

        Afghanistan is a Sunni nation(89%) Iran is Shiite. Not compatible!Now I see Bob is the perpetual warmonger looking for the next big adventure in keeping wars stirred up. Since you can’t stand Libertarians maybe you belong to the Masochist Party! LOL

  • Former Walmart person

    44 million americans are on food stamps and any real honest financier is saying we face hyperinflation. Its just a question of how bad and how fast we see inflation. Is it worth this to fight multiple wars against terrorism when you are MILLIONS of times more likely to die in your own car or from a heart attack or stroke in the future? If everything being done for our country is in the interest of protecting american lives, then why isn’t NATO drawling up plans to bomb car dealerships, DMVs, liquer stores (to prevent drunk driving) fast food resturaunts, and chemical plants? After all, the 4 leading causes of death are heart attack, stroke, cancer, and auto accidents.

    Our government that is supposed to protect us is sending millions of Americans towards potnetial starvation with hyperinflation. All in the name of preventing a cause of death that is outdone by just about all other cuases of death.

    Always remember: A government powerful enough to protect you from everything, is powerful enough to ensure you aren’t protected at all…

    • Bob

      Amen, the less we give to the malignancy we call government, the better.

    • Al Sieber

      Or “a Govt. big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have”, T. Jefferson. and they’re doing just that.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    Bob Livingston,

    “It’s a start, Mr. President, but that’s all it is. Bring them all home: from Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Yemen and Syria. And while you’re at it, bring home those “protecting” Europe from the threat that ended with the demise of the Cold War. And bring home those in Japan and South Korea and wherever they are supporting Pax Americana”.June 24, 2011 by Bob Livingston:

    THE SOONER,THE BETTER.I agree with you,Mr.Livingston.

    • http://Personalliberty Tony

      To Coal Miner:
      Right On!! This is so far the best/most intelligent statement mentioned on this subject.

      • eddie47d

        Thank You Bob Livingston in making us all aware of the consequences of our police actions. How it effects our economy and our place in the world.

    • Al Sieber

      I agree with all 3 of you, but we have to take this country back some how or way.

  • Christin

    Agreed… Bring home all our soldiers NOW.

    Let the Middle East fight their own wars and we can defend and protect our borders and country from within.

    Then we should bring back our moral compass (values… honesty and integrity… and God), rid ourselves of evil gov money grubbing organizations and debt spending, build up our production and jobs, then we will get our American strength back world wide… but only with God’s blessings.

    It could happen, but it won’t.

    • karolyn

      If you believe it won’t enough, it won’t! Defeatist attitudes don’t solve anything.

    • Mike in MI

      Christ-in – You are right and karolyn hasn’t got a clue because she uses cliches and popular cultural consensus as her guides to what’s wrong or nebulous. I’d say, “right or wrong”, but her boss might be peeking over her shoulder (he doesn’t know what “right” means either).
      Anyway, you are correct because the Word says that as things get worse and worse people in these times will just get more and more adamant against Him. Cursing and Blaspheming Him and essetially increasing in their deviltry. (Rev. 16:9, 11, 21)
      So, Christin, when you say, “…but they won’t.” you are in agreement with what the Bible says is going to happen. Agreeing with God shows you are wise…in the highest sense.
      karolyn, what you are in agreement with will not, ultimatly, do you any benefit.

  • http://afgan ruffus

    the reason why the troops are leaving afgan is to go to serya and libya,big ground war coming in sept oct. troops training all ovetr the u s a.and the few thousand that stay in afgan are their to protect the opiom fields.a close faimly member is a part of this. you all get ready for the next great war of the 21st centry. Oboma 4 more wars!

    • karolyn

      Gee, I can’t wait til October to see you eat crow!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Or maybe you get poked at so much you leave the site!!! Now THAT would do some good!!

      • Jay

        Careful Karolyn, don’t count your chicks before their hatched. Regardless, even if obama is defeated, it doesn’t necessarily mean we will be out of the woods. For it was not Bush sr., or Bush jr., or Obama, or any other president or party that got us in this mess with the war in the middle east or any other for that matter, rather, it was, and is, a secret, well organized, extremely wealthy and united power that determines the course of goe-political events, and keep in mind, there are additional western countries, not just the US, that are complicit and determined to precipitate WW3, as all presidents and their administrations, and all parties, past and present, were and are, merely PUPPETS and LAPDOGS, that will do as they are told or they will be simply dismissed or liquidated! Make no mistake, to look to a President or a specific party, with the hopes and longing to turn things around in our Nation, or any other Nation, for that matter, and expect peace and prosperity, however noble that desire, is a fantasy! For it is not our political system or our government that rules over our Nation and determines it’s course, rather, it is the system that rules over our political system that rules our Nation and all other Nations! Who or what is this system that rules all? Well, they, or it, has been and is called by many names, no doubt you have heard them all!

  • Alex

    Dear Mr Livingston,
    It is good to read that you wish to see not just a drawdown of our military presence in Afghanistan, as President Obama has ordered, but from the many other countries we station our Imperial Hired Guns.
    Hopefully you likewise spoke out against our troops being sent to Vietnam, the Dominican Republic, Grenada, Panama, El Salvador, Iraq (twice), Cambodia and Laos.
    Perhaps you are too young to have had an opinion of our misadventures during the Sixties and Seventies, but surely you condemned our invasions of, say, Grenada and Iraq, no?
    Thank you for your budding anti-Imperialism, Alex

  • Bob Marshall

    Michelle said America needs four more years for her husband to finish what he started. America is changing.

    • Mike in MI

      Mr. Marshall – “America is changing.” -you say.
      So did China during the Cultural Revolution. Doesn’t mean the culture advanced in any sense or improvements were achieved. Instead all it did was prove to them the need to initiate market-based and capitalistic elements. Why? Socialism doesn’t, can’t, will not, never has, doesn’t now, never will work. Everything it is based on God calls “evil”, “sin”, “iniquity”, “worthless”, “unrighteous” and “unwise”. It’s not new or dreamed up by Marx, Engels, Trotsky, et al. in the 19th Century.
      The only nation that ever got away with anything like it was ancient Egypt and then only because at the time a man of God, Joseph, was administering the thing appointed by Pharaoh. Joseph made it work because he was told what to do, step by step, by God. The only way it will ever work is to have an Omniscient Source of actionable information accessible. Man can never acquire that much info by himself or his super computers. Wouldn’t do any good, anyway. Man can’t make the bees go out, make it drizzle rain, shine sun in sowing or keep the bugs, blight and blasting out during growing or keep the winds calm, weather dry and crew healthy in harvest. Just a few little things a community organizer can’t organize.
      I’m tellin’ ya! It takes a barrel full of stupid and two fists full of cow dung to think you can socialize a whole economy.

  • Bob Marshall

    There is a vast difference between protecting our freedom and nation building. How many have any idea what the Shanghai Cooperation Organization is and where it is located? This organization met the same week as the Bilderberg group. I forgot. Most American still believe the Bilderberg Group is harmless.

  • JW

    Obama will leave most of the troops abroad. To bring them all home before the 2012 elections would greatly increase the US Unemployment Statistics. He would rather have the troops shot at than risk looking bad in the polls before an election.

    • Cawmun Cents

      FINALLY someone who sees the forest through the trees!I was going to mention this particular resulting fact,but you well beat me to it!Bravo,and well played JW!-CC.

  • Bob Marshall

    Is it not a shame and disgrace that 500,000 Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan veterans are living on the streets of America. A fact the newws media always seem to forget.How many of trhe troops that come home will suffer the same fate?

  • jopa

    Mr. Livingston; My sentiments exactly , great article.It is easy to get into a war, the hard part has always been getting out of one.Our going into Iraq will go down as one of Americas greatest blunders of all time.The thought of it is just as idiotic as some who say we should intervene in Iran.What for? Just because we don’t like their leader.

  • Dee

    Bring all our troops home from the middle eastern countries. Put them down on our southern porous border to protect our own border.
    We can’t be required to protect the whole world.

  • Jay

    Obama Regime Courts World Conflagration: Imperial Overstretch Threatens as US, NATO Wage Five Wars: Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, and Yemen – Are Syria, Iran, Lebanon Next?

    Webster G. Tarpley, Ph.D.
TARPLEY.net
June 20, 2011

    Washington DC, June 20- With the previously covert US bombing of Yemen out in the open, the Obama administration is now waging illegal wars against at least five countries – Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, and Yemen. Given Obama’s absurd and Orwellian theory that acts of war from the air in the sea do not constitute hostilities under the terms of the War Powers Act, this list may be incomplete, and stealth US attacks may be going on elsewhere as well. As spring turns into summer along the banks of the Potomac, there are signs that Obama’s next move may be a trifecta of aggression – an attack on Syria which would also embroil the US in war with Iran and with the Hezbollah forces of Lebanon. Or, the Obama rampage may strike Pakistan. The “Arab Spring” of color revolutions, military coups, and destabilizations is moving inexorably towards a possible world conflagration whose outlines are already visible.

    According to military sources speaking on the Alex Jones radio program on June 15, US Special Forces units based at Fort Hood, Texas, have been told to prepare for deployment to Libya no later than July. Also on alert, reportedly for September or October, are the heavy armored units of the First Cavalry Division, currently located in Iraq and Afghanistan, along with other components of the US III Corps at various US bases. Observers point out that US Special Forces have been in Libya since February at the latest. They also note that, while the Libyan destination is highly plausible, some of these units may also find themselves on the way to Yemen, Syria, Iran, or beyond. At the same time, the Russian Foreign Ministry was denouncing the presence of the US Aegis cruiser Monterrey in the Black Sea. The amphibious assault ship USS Bataan and its task force are presently off the coast of Syria. One very plausible explanation for these deployments might be that a US attack on Syria, under the pretext of protecting civilians, is imminent.

    On June 19, CNN reported1 a large-scale US Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps military drill, the biggest of its type in history, along much of the American Atlantic coast under the code name of Exercise Mailed Fist, to be conducted from June 19-24. “The exercise is designed to test the capability of every type of Marine Corps aircraft, including MV-22 Ospreys and F/A 18 Hornets, as well as some Navy ships and Air Force planes,” CNN reported. This drill appears designed to train for amphibious landings on the coast of the Mediterranean, as in Libya or Syria.

    June-July Turning Point, as in 1848

    The US-UK putsch wave of 2011 continues to exhibit similarities to an earlier historical model, the insurrections of 1848 in Europe. The 1848 events started with a revolt in Sicily (not far from Tunisia), and forced the ouster of King Louis Philippe of France in February and of the powerful Austrian Chancellor, Prince Metternich, in March. These insurrections drew on the pent-up tensions accumulated over decades under the post-1815 Holy Alliance system, but they were by and large detonated by the networks of Italian ultra-nationalist firebrand Giuseppe Mazzini, an agent of the British Admiralty. Tides of unrest swept through central Europe.

    The turning point came in June-July 1848. When a Czech nationalist insurrection broke out in Prague, it was crushed by the Austrian army of Gen. Windischgrätz after June 12. An attempted coup by the radical working class and city mob of Paris, organized in Louis Blanc’s National Workshops, was defeated by the reactionary Gen. Cavaignac in the June Days – June 24-26, 1848. In northern Italy, the army of the Italian Kingdom of Sardinia – which had declared war2 on Vienna in support of a rebellion in Milan and with the hope of using the upheaval to drive the Austrians out of Italy and thus achieve national unity – was defeated on July 25 by Marshal Radetsky at Custozza. In September and October, Hungarian nationalist radicals under the Mazzini disciple Kossuth set off a civil war with the Croatians, leading to social chaos and (as R. R. Palmer put it), “the war of all against all.” Somewhat later, Russian troops were invited in to put down the Hungarian rebellion. There was a renewed flare-up of insurrectionary activity in the spring of 1849, notably with the creation of Mazzini’s Roman Republic, before the insurrectionary movements subsided during the late summer of 1849, and gave way to a phase of oppression, cynicism, and reaction. It may be useful to keep this time frame in mind as a rough guide to evaluating events today, while of course bearing in mind no mechanistic or cyclical repetition should be anticipated.

    Source of article:http://tarpley.net/2011/06/20/cia-fake-arab-spring-becoming-summer-of-war/

  • cheryl lynn

    If all our troops go home we would of won all the battles. but lost the war. We do not want another Vietnam. All of the soldiers that fought, died or were injured would of fought in vane. We must continue to show strength so we can be the beacon of light for the oppressed. Leaving would empower groups like these and evil will flourish. I believe in peace through strength.

  • Thinking About

    Perhaps if Bush had pursued Osama bin Laden as aggressive as he protected and provided for the fast exit of bin Laden family members after 9/11 we would not have to have any excuse to go into Iraq. He was protecting the Bush financiers, don’t bite the hand which had fed his family. Besides where is all the Iraqi oil which was supposed to pay for the war there. All Bush backers should hold him responsible for his errors on judgement. One thong Bush was consistent, he broke two companies before breaking the USA.

  • American Citizen

    Obama does not listen to his commanders in the field. He’s the worst Commander-in-Chief we’ve ever had. Leaving now, all the good we’ve accomplished there will be undone. The job isn’t finished.

    • Raymond

      American Citizen says:
      June 24, 2011 at 8:28 pm
      Obama does not listen to his commanders in the field. He’s the worst Commander-in-Chief we’ve ever had. Leaving now, all the good we’ve accomplished there will be undone. The job isn’t finished.
      ……………………………………………..
      Hi Citizen,
      Please remember that Obama is a usurper.
      Since he’s a muslim, he’s not interested in
      what’s best for America. Having a muslim
      in the oval office moves us closer to a 1 world
      government.

      • Mike in MI

        Raymond -
        Please, as long as he’s in there refer to it as “the Offal Orifice”.

  • i41

    To all the libatard moron who drink, wallow in the sewage of the marxist/communist democrat back flush of a dictator run country. Name one damn thing any democrat that has done to create more freedoms for citizens of the USA!. All the democraps have expounded on since their inception,their plans to tax everyone more except elected morons, That government knows best and all believe in more government control of everything, including what you eat and think. This niggardly, abhorant behaving muslim crossbred Kenyan believes in everything in government is good for society, that is against the businesses and citizens in USA. Only stupid bas-ards of the liberial persuasion, never have been able to see it, even when he wrote about it in his books of his beliefs. Most blacks and 3rd world organism are still not ready for prime time, to make decisions of any type for themselves or a as a group, unless some worthless puke tells them which way to go, it is really over a cliff.

  • eddie47d

    When are you going to get off the sauce i41. You are the biggest bigot West of the Mississippi. LOL

    • Jay

      Eddie, i41 is merely stating the truth, deal with it!

  • Clint

    It’s really depressing so read articles like this one. There is a huge difference between imperialism and national defense. I just got back from Afghanistan. The Taliban continue to be a threat and will be until the Afghanistan military can stand up for themselves. Understand that we are fighting an enemy with an international reach, we are not trying to take over a country.

    • Mike in MI

      Clint -
      Thanks for going over there and coming back with that bit of good news. Truth is usually not welcome in America.
      Stay on this site and say this stuff and what you know often, PLEASE.

  • Raymond

    What is an ultra-conservative?

  • Raymond

    I’m sure the comments i’m about to make will be labeled by some
    as racist or slanderous. Some will use such words to block the truth.
    How evil the times have become.

    Fact 1). Obama is a muslim.

    Fact 2). The Qur’an teaches muslims that it’s
    ok to lie.

    Does anything else need to be said?

    • DaveH

      Unfortunately, Raymond, lying isn’t just a Muslim thing. It seems like it becomes more pervasive with each passing day in our country.
      I believe that’s a direct result of too many people minding other peoples’ business. For example, the most dishonest teens that I have known came from the strictest families.
      I believe that people behave their best when they have Freedom — nobody to rebel against except themselves.

      • Raymond

        DaveH says:
        June 25, 2011 at 1:01 pm
        Unfortunately, Raymond, lying isn’t just a Muslim thing. It seems like it becomes more pervasive with each passing day in our country.
        I believe that’s a direct result of too many people minding other peoples’ business. For example, the most dishonest teens that I have known came from the strictest families.
        I believe that people behave their best when they have Freedom — nobody to rebel against except themselves.
        ……………………………………………..

        DaveH,
        You’re right in that lying is not just a muslim thing.
        However, the qu’ran actually teaches muslims to lie
        to non-muslims. God strongly condemns lying,
        while satan encourages it. Only when we follow
        God’s law do we have any REAL freedom. The day
        is coming when Jesus will return and change everything.
        Jesus will separate the wheat from the chaff (and there is a lot of chaff).
        Raymond :-)

  • jopa

    Cheryl Lynn: There is nothing to win in Afghanistan or Vietnam.The present administration under the guidance of President Obama shot and killed Usama Bin Laden.Mission Accomplished.We do not need to rebuild Afghanistan when we have our own rebuilding to do here.It was always said about Vietnam and Afghanistan that if we don’t fight them over there we will have to fight them here.A load of crap.Since Nam I haven’t seen a whole lot, nor any NVA running around taking over America.As far as Afghanistan goes I don’t think a camel could swim this far.In today’s world the winning of wars will be done more with brainpower than manpower.Bring home our troops and increase our intelligence in world affairs.

  • Raymond

    A conservative friend sent me this & i’d like to pass it
    along to you. Raymond

    My dog sleeps about 20 hours a day.
    He has his food prepared for him.
    He can eat whenever he wants, 24/7/365.
    His meals are provided at no cost to him.
    He visits the doctor once a year for his checkup, and again during the year if any medical needs arise.
    For this he pays nothing, and nothing is required of him.
    He lives in a nice neighborhood in a house
    that is much larger than he needs, but he
    is not required to do any upkeep. If he
    makes a mess, someone else cleans it up. He has his choice of luxurious places to sleep.

    He receives these accommodations absolutely free.
    He is living like a king, and has absolutely no
    expenses whatsoever. All of his costs are
    picked up by others who go out and earn a
    living every day.

    I was thinking about all this …… suddenly it hit me like a brick in the head …

    My dog is a damn Democrat

    • Jay

      LOL, good one!

    • Bert Cundle

      My dog knows that I am his; Shofier, Chief, Maid, & Friend. So He tells me what I don’t know. Even that he loves me… I’m likely to outlive him, (He’s 13 years old.)So Life is a part time job. With rewards of anything after, still a mistory!

  • jopa

    Raymond: I am sure you love your Democrat of a dog to death in that he is probably the best friend you could ever have.He will always greet you with respect and be waiting at the door and act as if he hasn’t(or she) has seen you in months.If you had given your dog proper training he would have carried whatever burden you may have put upon him and pulled your sled when needed.You will find man’s best friend in the police force, military,search and rescue or where ever a true patriot is needed.I wouldnt say damn Democrat of a dog but more of a true Patriot of a Democratic dog when needed.Democrats have always been ranked with dogs as mans best friend and the true patriots of America.I have noticed more and more Democrats wearing patriot shirts they ordered from some TV show.

    • http://deleted Claire

      jopa: My dogs do not belong to any political party. And if they did, they would have good reason. I trust and have more faith in my dogs than a lot of human beings. Man’s best friend is correct.

  • chuckb

    all the bolsheviks protect

  • chuckb

    all the bolsheviks are in agreement about the illegals and want to overlook their disregard of our law. that falls in line with their voting barry soetoro in office who is also an illegal and look where he resides. it proves the bolsheviks only see the law in red colored glasses, after all, these illegals vote the same way as they.

  • Jay

    Obama is exposed as a foundation operative and agent of Wall Street finance capital, controlled by Zbigniew Brzezinski, George Soros, and Goldman Sachs. Obama’s mother was an official of the Ford Foundation, the World Bank, and US AID. By all indications, Obama was identified for future political use by Brzezinski at Columbia in 1981-1983, during Obama’s secret lost years. Obama has worked for the Gamaliel Foundation, the Joyce Foundation, the Woods Fund, and the Annenberg Foundation as a community organizer – a poverty pimp, a cynical opportunist who uses suffering people as a political commodity. The foundation strategy is divide and conquer, pitting blacks against whites against Hispanics against Asians, to prevent any challenge to Wall Street. Racist provocateurs like Wright and Pfleger, along with Weatherman terrorist bombers Ayers and Dohrn, Obama’s best friends, are cast in this mold. Rezko, Auchi, and Al-Sammarae represent the cesspool of Chicago graft and corruption in which Obama cavorts. Schooled in Nietzsche and Fanon, Obama qualifies as a postmodern fascist.

    An Obama administration would strive for brutal economic sacrifice and austerity to finance Wall Street bailouts, and for imperialist confrontation with Russia and China.

    Barack Obama is a deeply troubled personality, the megalomaniac front man for a postmodern coup by the intelligence agencies, using fake polls, mobs of swarming adolescents, super-rich contributors, and orchestrated media hysteria to short-circuit normal politics and seize power.

    Obama comes from the orbit of the Ford Foundation, and has never won public office in a contested election. His guru and controller is Zbigniew Brzezinski, the deranged revanchist and Russia-hater who dominated the catastrophic Carter presidency 30 years ago. All indications are that Brzezinski recruited Obama at Columbia University a quarter century ago. Trilateral Commission co-founder Brzezinski wants a global showdown with Russia and China far more dangerous for the United States than the Bush-Cheney Iraq adventure.

    Obama’s economics are pure Skull & Bones/Chicago school austerity and sacrifice for American working families, all designed to bail out the bankrupt Wall Street elitist financiers who own Obama. Obama’s lemming legions and Kool-Aid cult candidacy hearken back to Italy in 1919-1922, and raise the question of postmodern fascism in the United States today.

    Obama is a recipe for a world tragedy.

  • Bert Cundle

    No win… with-out a peace treaty…

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