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It Was A Republic, But We Couldn’t Keep It

March 29, 2010 by  

It Was A Republic, But We Couldn’t Keep It

Will it never end?

Will the daily, relentless assault on our freedoms by the current socialist-in-chief, President Barack Obama, and the socialist Democrat-controlled Congress never end?

Will the constant pounding and pounding on the Constitution by Obama and Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the rest of the socialist elite elected class—as they work to not just chip away at our nation’s foundation as progressives before them, but to obliterate it completely—never end?

Will the takeover of business and industry never end?

Will the calls for a cap-and-trade system that will raise taxes and energy costs and further erode out economic well-being never end?

Will the push for amnesty for illegal aliens never end?

Will the spending and the money printing and currency debasement never end?

Will the hubris of the elected class never end?

Apparently not.

Day by day; week by week; month by month the socialist Democrats pounded away at so-called healthcare reform. In office for 14 months, the Obama-Pelosi-Reid triumvirate worked to enact a socialist, European-style big government healthcare system on America.

The American people didn’t want what Obama, Reid and Pelosi were peddling. By 59 percent to 39 percent, according to the latest CNN/Opinion Research poll, Americans opposed Obamacare.

And they said so over and over. They said “no” to the secrecy of the bills, which were crafted in smoke-filled rooms, behind closed doors and foisted upon the public at the moment of the vote. They said “no” to the cost which kept growing and growing with each incarnation. They said “no” to the Louisiana Purchase (to get Mary Landrieu’s vote), the Cornhusker Kickback (to garner Ben Nelson’s support) and to the Gator Aid (to secure the support of senior citizens).

They said “no” by marching on Washington D.C., by the tens of thousands. They said “no” through the Tea Parties. They said so through calls and letters. They said “no” at town hall meetings. They said “no,” “no,” “No,” “NO!”

They said “no” at the voting booth in Virginia, New Jersey and Massachusetts. Yet the socialist Democrats passed it anyway.

So the people ask, “What part of no don’t you understand?”

Know this: Pelosi, Reid and Obama—they understand. They just don’t care. It’s the progressive way.

Responding to questions about the special favors garnered by recalcitrant Senators in order to enlist their support, Reid replied with something to the effect of: That’s the legislative process. If a Senator didn’t get something he wasn’t doing his job.

Hey. It’s only money, and printing it is cheap.

As Pelosi responded when asked where Congress gets the authority to mandate United States citizens purchase health insurance: “Are you serious?”

Well, yes Madame Speaker, Constitutional issues are serious business to us. They should be to you. But they’re not. That’s because the Constitution limits their power over the citizenry and power is what the socialist elected elites seek.

If the Constitution was important to the socialist elite there would have been an open process in putting together a bill that reformed the health insurance system by letting the free market system work rather than further empowering government. And certainly there would have been no talk of using parliamentary trickery—the Slaughter Rule, also known as Deem and Pass—to pass it.

If the Constitution was important to the socialists there would be no provisions mandating that people buy something simply for being American and no need for 14 states to file suit against the Federal government for violating the 10th Amendment.

If the Constitution was important to the socialists Americans wouldn’t be sitting back asking themselves, “What’s next on their agenda: Another stab at amnesty for illegals, another run at cap-and-trade, a gun grab, a value added tax?”

If the Constitution was important the government wouldn’t own General Motors, Chrysler, the financial industry and now, insurance companies.

If the Constitution was important the government wouldn’t be in the business of setting the salaries of everyone from the lowest level employee to the CEOs of large companies.

To be fair, all of this can be laid at the feet of the socialist Republicans who blindly followed George W. Bush’s big government socialism over the economic cliff. They—the socialist Republicans—are claiming an epiphany now and appear to be standing up to the Democrat tyranny. But like all socialist elected elites, when they controlled Congress the socialist Republicans grew government, expanded its power to monitor its citizenry and supported Bush’s nation-building, empire-expanding war policies and his original $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP).

Though they—the socialist Republicans—claim to be strict constructionists when it comes to the Constitution now, they helped Bush enact his ridiculous “compassionate conservatism” that increased government entitlement spending and therefore increased the roles of non-producers eager to sponge off the hard work of the producers.

But that’s what you get from the socialist elected elites. They ignore the Constitution because to them the “be all and end all” is government. They like big government and they like bigger government even better.

You can be sure that the Obama-Pelosi-Reid triumvirate isn’t going to rest on its laurels. More big government programs are on the way.

And Pelosi is not afraid to kick in a few doors to accomplish it. As she told a group of Leftwing bloggers leading up the passage of Obamacare, “…once we kick through this door there will be more legislation to follow.”

So this is only the beginning of the socialist takeover of America. It’s evidence that sovereignty is in the hands of but a few, just as the writer Brutus warned in Anti-Federalist No. 1: “If the people are to give their assent to the laws, by persons chosen and appointed by them, the manner of the choice and the number chosen, must be such, as to possess, be disposed, and consequently qualified to declare the sentiments of the people; for if they do not know, or are not disposed to speak the sentiments of the people, the people do not govern, but the sovereignty is in a few.”

At the close of the Constitutional Convention a woman asked Benjamin Franklin what type of government had been created. Franklin’s reply: “A republic, if you can keep it.”

We couldn’t.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    If people that voted these lepers into office, arent smart enough to open their eyes and look and see what they are doing to this country I love, then we will suffer more of the same. Those that voted these guys into office are guilty of these bad things that are happening. If they cant see the stupidity in what is going on, then we are indeed in big trouble. But some people dont see what a destructive path they are on until they are locked up behind bars. So sad.

    • Joe

      who really knows if we or Acorn voted the socialist in?

      • Mic Helms

        It was you. Check out The Red Amendment to learn how YOU voted for socialism and communism.

        • denniso

          So a rightwing ‘Christian’ militia group of men were arrested for plotting the murder of cops and then bombing the funeral that would result from the killing…That is the kind of thing that can be unleashed or supported by all the hate speech and thowing out words like socialist,fascist,communist,and Obama is a usurper,etc…

          Some on this site sound like they might belong to that extremist group,promising a ‘revolution’,'take back our country’ and the prevalent,’lock and load’…

          • Stan Blanchard

            Denniso, I guess you were one of the so called americans that voted for BHO, who already said he is a socialist, communist, radicial, who’s agenda is transforming america, I didn’t say it , he said it…I’m a veteran of 8 years, korea, and nan, in the USAIR FORCE, and I believe that this man is doing what he said he would do, or trying to do it, he wants to destroy this country that hundreds of thousands died for to keep this country free, no thanks to people like you, and yes I want my country back and my choice of freedom, and not big goverment that wants to take over this country..The only people that are causing violence are PROGRESSIVE dems like you, if you don’t like how this country is, go some where else, I’m proud to be an american, I love my country but I don’t have any use for people like you, or the congress or BHO, or the senate….shame on you….

          • JeffH

            Stan Blanchard, he has said all through his short political career what his intent is and shame on those that are now “surprised” for not doing their homework on the guy. And of course, lest we forget, those that still had that freedom to make a choice based on that knowledge will still have a those freedoms in the future.

          • Allan

            Sorry…using the words socialist, facist, or communist, is not hate speech. They are political science terms rather than terms from PC science. Perhaps when liberals in Congress rev up the Fairness Doctrine, they can also go through the dictionary and eliminate words they don’t like. My definition of hate speech is when people say that disliking Obama or his policies is hate speech. Many conservatives, like myself, don’t like McCain much either; but no liberal would confuse that with racism. Since the 2004 election, I saw and heard liberals call Bush and Cheney every expletive in the book in demonstrations, print, TV, radio, and Internet. The language on Air America was beyond belief. People on the liberal blogs openly wished for the death of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, and others on a daily basis. I believe that four years of this made the public dialogue irretrievably toxic and obliterated respect for leaders. Now, what was sown is being reaped, even though negative sentiment toward Obama is still less than that toward Bush. But with the moves Obama is making, he may yet manage to be more despised. If Obama was smart he’d adopt conservative fiscal policy. It would stimulate the economy, he’d be re-elected, and he could call the policy something else and take credit for it.

          • denniso

            Stan…so you think that it’s only progressives who are causing violence?? Wow! Do you pay attention to the news at all? The rightwing ‘Christian’ militia group just arrested in Michigan is hardly ‘progressive’…they planned to kill cops and try to spark a war w/ the gov’t,sounding like many rightwingers right here on this site. The people throwing bricks through senators office windows are rightwingers enraged over the healthcare bill. You’re apparently blind to what’s going on in our political system and your ‘leave the country if you don’t like it’ is equally absurd and old and tired…this is my country as much as it is yours…you don’t like liberals/progressives in my country,TOUGH!!! Get used to it.

          • Meteorlady

            denniso – you never give up do you? Lest we get buried in your trash talk – there have always been hate groups in the US both left and right but you conveniently forget that don’t you? Lets see – Weather Underground, Black Panthers, Liberation Army, White Supremacist, etc. I could probably find just as many left as right. So what the heck is your point?

            I am AMERICAN – I live and breath the Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc. My grandparents fought to make this country great. They lived through the Depression and the onslaught of social programs. All the while there were telling my parents that we would one day loose our Republic. They were probably right – this government is the most corrupt, self-servicing and dishonest I have ever seen in my life. I resent that these people even live in this country and call themselves Americans.

            If you have time – goggle Ron Paul and his speech in early 2000′s. It’s called “A Republic if You Can Keep It”. Really eye opening, but for you maybe not because you are so set in your views you cannot change.

          • MikeC

            Denniso,
            I guess you believe everything you read! Militias are “non-offensive” in ideology! They defend when being attack! Hence, they don’t fire the first shot. This was true for the founding fathers! This is the HSA being hyperaware of the chatter, and that they quite possibly have fired the first shot! You honestly think putting a coffin on a senators lawn, or throwing a brick through a window, is far more destructive than a Eugenics healthcare system! That’s like a right-winger killing a doctor for giving an abortion, and saying there is justification…or, an environmentalist blowing up SUVs. They’re both violent extremes! I am not a Republican, however, Democrates are the party of the meek and powerless! You feed off the destruction of others to feel a semse of purpose! Get to know the real agenda of your Facist party leaders, before you speak and defend!

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        That’s the question I keep asking Joe, I still recieve the solidarity magazine, in which my dad hasn’t belonged to the uaw in over 35 years__If his name wasn’t taken off that list, after I notified them he died, I wonder if my dead father, still votes too?

        • American Citizen

          Our youngest got married 16 years ago and they moved to another state. Her name was still on the register when we voted in the last election. I tell them every time she no longer lives here and they put a line through her name, yet it’s there again the next time we vote. I, too, wonder how many dead people vote. I’m glad our state went to voter ID, yet the Democrats are contesting it saying it’s an impediment to some voters. It’s so easy to go to the BMV tp get an ID card if you don’t have a driver’s license. I realize they’ve made it harder as you have to have so many documents to prove who you are. But is you really want to be able to cast your vote, you will do it.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            American Citizen, While I have no real proof, I have read Acorn has been accused of voter fraud. I’ve also recieved other mail in my Dads name and address.__no one really knows.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Anerican citizen, My husband was Judge of Elections for 10 years where we live. The Election committee cannot remove a name deceased or in the instance of moving. The Judge of Elections should have, forms for that person that moved or a POA of the deceased. The person that moved must sign is to be sent to the county, if the committee does have them, you will have to contact voter services, in the county you live in.__This should be across the board. Just for your info!

        • denniso

          Sad to see more hyperbole and fearmongering from Bob Livingston. If anything Obama has done is unconstitutional,saving the economy,starting healthcare reform,you can rest assured that the conservative Court will roll it back.
          I just heard today that the taxpayers will make several billion $$ on the sale of Citi Bank stock that the Gov’t bought w/ the tarp funds. The Repubs would have preferred letting the economy collapse I guess and then blamed Obama for it even though it started under Cheny/Bush.

          Why can’t the repubs make real criticism of Dem policies rather than just continuing this lame name calling and spreading of fear for the sake of political gain???

          • JeffH

            What is sad is that you have bought into this socialist takeover of the country and continue to support it. Your hatred for Bush and your blindness to that fact has eroded your thought process. If you work and provide for yourself and a family you will ultimately have your eyes opened when the time comes that you can no longer support yourself without government assistance because Obama and Co. have taxed and mandated your life and eliminated your ability to stay self reliant.

          • denniso

            Really? Here I thought that the greedy financial corp’s that dealt in things like the unregulated ‘credit default swaps’ market and other dubious financial dealings brought down the economy and erased several trillion $$ of peoples savings and pensions…forcing previously retired people back to work and preventing millions from retiring at all…No? The banks and financial co’s that were too big to fail didn’t do anything wrong at all? Their greed and billions in bonuses had nothing to do w/ collapsing the economy?

            Oh,that’s right,your’e a Republican in mad love w/ all corporate interests,even when they rob the public blind of trillions of $$.

          • JeffH

            Like I have said, your hatred of America crowds your mind with anti-American thoughts. Get out of the 60′s and wise up to the here and now. You will lose your freedoms just as much as anybody else if the Marxist and the Democratic Socialist Party have their way.
            You know the Republicans are infected with socialism also, but you have no peripheral vision to see the big picture nor the ability to reason, just Bush/Cheney…8 years…and the worshipping of the Marxist ideals of this administration.
            I just thank God for Fox, the educators and American patriots that will take the fight for freedom to tha polls and to the courts.

          • Allan

            More liberals believe the economy would have collapsed than conservatives. And liberals prefer to be able to blame this on Bush. Never mind pre-Bush mortgage lending manipulation via FMAC and FMAE that led to the housing industry crisis. That bad paper was at the heart of Wall Street problems and affected foreign markets as well. And we haven’t seen the last wave of toxic mortgages. Bailed out companies should have been allowed to fail. The good money thrown after bad could have helped investors, among other things. As regards bonuses, the government, which also lacked appropriate business experience, made stupid deals with bailed out companies…deals that ordinary small businesspeople would have smelled for what they were.

          • denniso

            Allan…Pay attention. Almost all actual economists believed that if the gov’t didn’t take strong action w/ the collapsing economy,we would wind up w/ a global depression that would dwarf 1929…Almost the entire world did what we did to support the financial/banking systen to prevent a global collapse…Cheny/Bush and their republican advisors believed the same thing and began the bailouts… and tried to support the auto co’s as well(the Repubs in congress wouldn’t go along).
            Now, when the economy is slowly improving and the stock market is up 70% in a year,you rightwing zealot deniers want to rewrite history and blame Obama and the Dems for the weak economy because you’re manipulated by Beck/Linbaugh to try to destroy Obama,rather than doing something to actually help the situation…

            You really have to think for yourself and turn off the rightwing traitorous blabbers before you can understand and quit being led by the nose…

          • Allan

            a) you ignored the causes I discussed
            b) all economists supported the bailout? for starters, 166 academic economists sent a letter to congressional leaders warning against the $700 billion Wall Street bailout. It was a bad idea caused by bad federal policy. Government promised FMae and FMAC that it would make good on their debts, so they took on huge risks. Under Carter, Congress pushed to expand subprime lending. The industry was happy to have federal backing. Support for subprimes increased in the late 1990′s. Borrowers with poor credit got mortgages they couldn’t handle. Once housing prices declined, defaults and delinquencies soared, leaving hugely depreciated assets. Government bears a huge responsibility for this, and the last thing we needed was for them try to fix bad government with more government. If troubled institutions had been allowed to go through bankruptcy, at least Chpt. 11, they would likely have continued, as several airlines have. Bankruptcy preserves the profitable aspects of a business. Bailout transfers wealth from taxpayers to those who knowingly engaged in risky lending. It encourages companies to take bad risks and count on getting bailed out. The “moral hazard” distorts the real ecomony. The reason some economists argued for the bailout was to avoid a credit freeze. But what happened? The bailouts didn’t have appropriate conditions! Lenders didn’t lend! They invested in more lucrative alternatives. If they had been allowed to go through bankruptcy, credit would have constricted for a while as creditors cleaned up their assets, and a profit opportunity would develop for someone else. Financial collapse was speculation. The ongoing credit freeze is exaggerated due to hope of additional bailout. Government now has the nerve to blame it all on Wall Street. Bankers won’t sell bad assets if they can get a higher price from the government. Government officials overestimated the value of the assets they bought. If worth something, private parties would buy the assets; but with the promise of a bailout, fair market value was masked. The bailouts also rewarded lobbyists in side deals and opened the door to further meddling. What the government should do is eliminate the policies that created the mess. This means abandon the goal of home ownership for those who can’t pay for a home, getting rid of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and getting rid of the Community Reinvestment Act that pressure banks into subprime lending. Most subprime lending should never have occurred, and the taxpayers shouldn’t be holding the bag.
            b) you assume conservatives approve of Bush spending policies. two wrongs don’t make a right.
            c) some of us were conservative before conservative talk radio. we learned through business experience.
            d) nothing in the past excuses the current expansion of government debt and power. Voters will speak on these issues in Nov.

          • Meteorlady

            Denniso – here’s the Obama platform through Soros, the man behind Obama 100%.

            http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualprofile.asp?indid=977

            Please read if you have time. You will note that Soros makes a lot, I mean a lot, of money betting on currency devaluation. Wonder how much he had off our?

          • keith

            to bad we can’t vote your ass out in nov,but i’ll enjoy voting your socialist hero’s out anyway!

      • Will Robert

        When are you guys going to get it. Socialists take bankers and business men out into the street and put a bullet into their head. America gives them bilions of dollars of tax money for free. CAn you or can’t you discern the subtle differance. However, the definition of Facism, by it’s inventer is exacvtly this. “FACISM SHOULD MORE PROPERLY BE CALLED CORPORATEISM FOR IT IS THE MARRAGE OF GOVERNMENT AND CORPORATE POWER.” He even tried to call it corporatism for a while. This was Mussolini. In the US in the new milinium we have a corporate take over of our democrocy and that is Facism not socialism. Because tea baggers do not know the difference between the political left and the political right, nobody listens to them. You know your anger but you do not know politics. But you could make a difference if you would get an education. For an explanation of political right and left andthe poiical third wing see. http://www.thirdwing.freeservers.com

      • Will Robert

        Please get an education and study hstory. Sociaists hate big business and murder bankers and business men with a bullet in the head, out in the street. WE give billion of dollars to businessmen and bankers. CAn you see the subtle difference? Can You? Facism is the corporate take over of government which is what we have. The inventer of facism defined facism thus -> FACISM SHOULD MORE PROPERLY BE CALLED CORPORATEISM FOR IT IS THE MARRAGE OF GOVERNMENT AND CORPORATE POWER. It is because the tea baggers do not know the difference between left and right that nobody listens to them.

        • Meteorlady

          Will – while I would not call myself a Tea Party firm supporter, I did go to a rally once and listen. They do know the difference and so do I. I know that politicians are controlled by the elite of this country because money talks. I believe that if you want to be elected, you need to have a sponsor(s) as Obama did. These sponsors pay your way up the latter, hides anything in your past that is bad, and generally support you with whatever it takes to get you elected. Once elected you carry out their agenda.

          This has never been more obvious that with Obama. He has no concrete background – no grades, no college transcripts, no real job earning an income, worked his way up the political ladder without conflict (he never sponsored or supported openly any bill that was passed or not passed while in congress. This is the type of people that Americans should be wary of. If you can’t figure out what their stance is from past papers, speeches and actions, why the heck would you elect them?

    • John

      What’s your solution? Re-electing the party (GOP) that started us down this path of big government, big government take overs, and MASSIVE national Debt?

      • Frank Chambless

        There seems to be a common thread… ivy league school indoctrination. “W”=Yale; The Big “O”=Harvard. The list could go on and on. It is possible that graduates emerge from ivy league schools believing themselves to be a member of some elite ruling class, superior to the rest of America; and, that we really NEED them to lead us. I, for one, will not vote for an ivy leaguer in the near future.

        • hunter

          How right you are Frank, I have noticed the same. I do belive the Ivy league schools must preach that their students are superior to other schools. After all aren’t the professors at the Ivy league superior? Don’t the mere name of the Ivy league mean something? Besides it costs much much more to get a diploma there. It makes me feel so small and insignficant to not have a Ivy League diploma. sigh…But also we should look at others, like the media, that have the Ivy League mantality. Those that support their Skull and Bones, and Marxists groupie tribes etc.

          • Jana

            Most definitely!. These professors are from the Socialist hippie generation. You know the ones who gathered together in communes, complaining about the ‘establishment’ and saying or dilusionally (drug induced) thinking that they were above all of that while living off of mama and daddy’s money. Drugs warped their minds, but now their agenda got spread around because these very people are the ones who became Professors, Judges and even grade school as well as high school teachers. They spread this filth into our children while we were oblivious to it. Mama and daddy both had to go to work and they blindly trusted the schools to teach their children, without knowing what it was that they were teaching them.

          • denniso

            So,rightwingers don’t use drugs? Rightwingers are only church going,peaceloving,hardworking people…they don’t commit crimes or lie or cheat on their spouses…rightwingers don’t commit bank fraud or take kickbacks or contribute to the economic collapse…rightwingers don’t invade sovereign countries for no good reason and slaughter hundreds of thousands…no, rightwingers are saints and if we could only get rid of everyone who isn’t a rightwinger,imagine how perfect our country would be.

          • Meteorlady

            There is an old book, I think written in the 1970′s. It’s about the University of Chicago and their teachings. It’s called “Don’t Blame Metro” and should have been an eye opener then, but now more than ever.

        • libertytrain

          Lest we forget the apparent superiority-complex the Harvard educated/graduated professor sitting in jail for murdering her fellow professors in Huntsville a month or so ago, may have developed in her sad little ego.

          • Rob

            Yes frank, Hunter, and Jena, the Harvard elite types do indeed think they are better than you. Any why not? They are paid much more than you to figure out ways around the Old Republic.

            They see you as morons. The working class morons.
            Judging from what I have seen from this forum, I am not inclined to disagree.
            The responses I have been reading are troublesome to say the least. Only a caveman’s grasp of the nature of our real problems.

            Actually, they see you as Peasants. Thats the word they use…

            Your only hope is your 1 man, 1 vote. And when you give idiot answers, you will be judged as idiots. The government regularly patrols internet forums to glean information and gather intelligence. When you give an answer that shows your woeful lack of knowledge, they are encouraged.

            You are up against Harvard educated masters. Do you flannel wearing red blooded Americans honestly think you can go toe to toe with these people?

            He who fires the first shot loses. Better get that quick.

            Some idiot parade toting guns, marching on Washington will be vilified, shot and the rest imprisoned. You will be shown to America as a band of crazys, or terrorists, hell bent on overthrowing the Federal government.
            You will be catagorized as a band of lone nuts, and lumped in with Ozwald.

            Not wise.

            Any idiot thinking of taking up arms, will run up against the police first, then SWAT, then FBI, ATF, then the Nationa lGuard, then the Marines if necessary.

            Take a tip from Ghandi, and Martin Luther King. He who fires the first shot loses. March UNARMED!

            Our government was subverted through insiders and corruption. No shot was ever fired. Learn that!!!
            if you want to take back your government, you must do it in similar fashion.
            Those who hijacked the US government were highly successful…learn from them!

            Trojan Horse a political movement into a political party…or just vote third party.

            Bottom line…Our government was not subverted through violence. It was taken peacefully.

            YOU….must do the same.
            Or end up another Ozwald.

          • libertytrain

            Rob – I’ve misplaced my red flannels —– May I borrow one of yours?

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          yeah. the elitests and their arrogant narrisitic complex,I never saw am american president at a speech, state that repubs are going to run on a repeal & replace platform in 2012 and tell them to Go for it!___he makes me sick!

          • Jana

            Besides that, our economy is not any better. All of this is smoke and mirrors to get us off of the topic of the economy in this country. Who was it that said “Never waste a crisis?”

            Obama, Pelosi and Reid are not trying to help our economy, instead they are keeping the crisis going so they can push through much more of their agenda.

            Where are the jobs??? The only one hiring anyone out there is our Government. What is wrong with this picture??? Obama is making it impossible for businesses to prosper and Obama keeps leading us down the wrong path and keeps us distracted from the real problem, THE ECONOMY.

            This Presidential team is good. They are sneaky and uses slight of hand techniques and distracts us from the real problem. Obama doesn’t want the economy fixed. He has us right where he wants us.

          • American liberal

            Anybody with an education is an elitist and a threat to you…. Stupidity is your comfort zone

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Jana, I don’t believe the jobs will return until the confidence of the people returns._And right now the natives are restless__Everyones afraid to make a move in any direction, especially small business’s. Fear of the unknown. It use to be, for the most part could read the economy, that’s out the window.

          • Joe H.

            Amalibidiot,
            gee that must be why we feel so comfortable around you!! We feel comfortable around brainless,too!

        • Bob Sloop

          It’s not only the ivy leagues indoctrinating and brainwashing their students. State Universities are also involved.

          • Rob

            Jana, calm down, I couldn’t say what Obama wants myself.

            Are they exploiting the economic crisis to push a left agenda…they very well might be.

            Other side of the coin…Republicans want business as usual policies that lead to this mess as it festered under G W Bush. Trade deficits, spending deficits, outsourcing of jobs, erosion of liberty, all under the watchful eye of 1 George W Bush.

            Both parties corrupt.

            Cannot continue.

            Look at it this way…

            The Democrats and Republicans are like 2 wolves fighting over a sheeps carcass.

            Each one wanting it for themselves. The sheep is America…you.

            But when the cougar enters the scene, {Third party voter supported} the wolves will band together and fend off the cougar.

            Once the cougar is gone, the wolves will battle it out for themselves.

            They are not fighting for America…They are not fighting for YOU! They fight for control of America between themselves!

            It is entirely laughable that you would even consider that this is some kind of battle over ideology!!

            LOL!!

            No wonder they don’t listen to your complaints against Obamacare or your concerns over the Stimulus Bill.

            You have been deemed IDIOTS!
            Based on your expressions and answers in such things like internet forums. We all know the FBI trolls the forums….what do you think they are after? We never hear from them….Intelligence gathering you idiots. Yes, they are also looking for the idiot proclaiming an armed march or other such stupidity, but mainly….they just want to know what YOU think.

            Why is Washington not listening to America?

            Really good question…

            Heres the answer….Because Washington thinks you are all a bunch of complete idiots based on your answers given in things like political forums.

            You wrestle with such mundane things like political ideology while Washington forgot that 30 years ago. No wonder they think you are slow.

            America may run on Duncan, but all of Washington runs on corruption. Never forget that.

            Get with the program…

          • Bon, from the Land of Babble

            Bob:

            It starts MUCH earlier than that!

            Our entire K-12 educational-industrial complex is nothing but big government indoctrination–in order to brainwash our children to be drones of the state.

            By the time they hit college age, they have been taught to believe: ‘Diversity is Our Strength!’

            Soon, this will be chiseled on all government buildings:

            WAR IS PEACE
            FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
            IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.

          • RobertP

            Rob,

            You are exactly right in your assessment. While most of the people here want to believe that their party is altruistic and only acting for “their” own good, they can’t seem to accept the other possibility, which is that neither party has the public good in mind. It is all about political power and who gets to control the people “their” way. For either party, it is only beneficial to them that the people remain divided, and they love it that way.

        • http://personalliberty.com james silvano

          right on, bro.

        • Allan

          It’s not so much the geography of the schools as the fact that there is about a 20:1 ratio of liberals to conservatives in education. Conservatives tend to seek more risk and independent thought rather than guarantees and collective thinking. The challenge is how to change the demographic so that “education” is more balanced.

          • denniso

            So my daughter is learning math in 4th grade…is that indoctrination?
            They don’t spend enought time on science because they spend too much time preparing for tests and then a week at a time on thests.
            She has been taught the rudiments of evolution,maybe that’s indoctrination? She has one class of P.E. every other day,not enough movement for 9 yr olds.
            Oh,maybe this is the indoctrination part,they spent 30 mins on global warming a few weeks ago,,,is that it? They do say the pledge of allegiance every morning w/ ‘under God’ in it,maybe that’s the public school indoctrination…bad,bad,big gov’t public education,terrible.

          • Allan

            Indoctrination?

            I would think most people are aware of some examples, but I guess it depends on how involved the parent is. Indoctrination happens in different ways at different levels, through textbook revisionism, through pressuring students to lobby their parents’ votes on bond issues and candidates, through exercises to praise preferred leaders, through radical environmental guilt programming, rampant behavioral drug peddling, sexual counseling and medical intervention without parental knowledge, and a slew of politically correct policies. Tell ya what though, if our system is turning out objective teachers, let’s flip the 20:1 ratio in your daughter’s school (and the rest of the country) and allow non-union teachers while we’re at it. Since there’s no indoctrination going on, would this arrangement be ok with you for a decade or two, just to be democratic and fair? We can also have a wager as to whether the demonstrable learning “outcomes” surpass the status quo. I know we all care about performance. Two of my sons we’re encouraged to take ADHD drugs in grade school along with a lot of other kids (one son is about to earn his phd in economics, the other is a successful investor). You probably would have enjoyed the patriarchal reeducation at one son’s state university. Men we’re asked to stand in an outdoor spot on campus for most of a day in scant clothing, while women would come by to yell and curse at them, or throw certain pre-arranged fluids at them. This was a history class.

      • Ray Mason

        The answer is, we must vent and elect good solid conservative, constitution loving patriots no matter what party they say that they are from, preferably representatives from no party. Most every conservative knows that to elect republicans is not the answer, look at what they have done to us already. Remember, most aspiring politicians are really good at lying and fooling the voters, such as our current elected officials. Ray

        • John

          “Remember, most aspiring politicians are really good at lying and fooling the voters, such as our current elected officials. Ray”

          I remember Newt Gingrich promising us a balanced budget amendment and term limitations…..

          • Richard

            Hey John: I agree with your comment except about Newt. If my memory serves me he got thos pass the house, but it was the Senate that shot down those two parts of the contract with America. Don’t get me wrong, it bothers me that Newt has jumped on the Global Warming bandwagon, but him Lying??? Haven’t seen that from Newt.

          • eyeswideopen

            Richard, you are talking about the same Newt Gingrich that was fined $300,000.00 fine for ethical wrongdoing? That same guy didn’t lie?
            How soon you seem to forget. He was actually run out of office by the repubs as he was detrimental to the party after the ethics commitee ordered him to pay the 300K.

          • JeffH

            The only reason that Rep. David Bonior and other Democrats filed 75 ethics charges against Speaker Gingrich in the first place is because Newt filed and forced former Democrat Speaker Jim Wright to resign in 1988. The whole ethics violation farce was about nothing but revenge. Bonior and the Dems. wanted revenge for Jim Wright and for losing the House in 1994 and 1996.

            What’s funny is that the Ethics Committee itself approved the course Newt taught, the same course that started this whole “ethics violation” farce. Newt wasn’t even paid for the course. In any case, I am not getting into all the details of the whole ethics violation mess, and the incredible double standard shown, since that would warrant a separate web site. I just find it odd that the Ethics Committee turned around and slammed Newt with a $300,000 penalty for something that they had approved! In addition, if a reprimand was enough “punishment” for Barney Frank, who was charged by the same committee with fixing 30 parking tickets, and writing a misleading probation letter on behalf of child pornographer, cocaine dealer, male prostitute and lover Steven Gobie, why is Newt getting slammed with such a harsher penalty?
            http://www.gargaro.com/newtmoney.html

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, you can never get your facts straight can you. It was 84 charges. But you don’t care about facts as you have proven. So just keep on with your lying ways, be happy and thankful that you get SS disability and medicare. You are one lucky dude to have that safety network available. But I don’t want you to allow anyone else to have that kind of care!!!!!!

          • JeffH

            I retract the 75 and will go with 84, just for you. BUT……….
            Ethics Committee Drops Last of 84 Charges Against Gingrich
            Eighty-three of the 84 allegations were dropped.
            The ethics panel was “persuaded by the court’s findings” that the laws were not violated, Hansen and Berman wrote.
            “It appears to us that to the extent that GOPAC was exonerated by the court, you are by implication exonerated as well,” they wrote to Gingrich.
            A third allegation that Gingrich benefited personally from $250,000 in GOPAC “Newt Support” and should have reported it as income for federal tax purposes was also dropped by the ethics committee for lack of evidence.

            IRS Clears Foundation That Aided Gingrich Course
            February 4, 1999
            The Internal Revenue Service cleared an organization of charges that it violated its tax-exempt status when it helped fund a college course taught by former House speaker Newt Gingrich.

          • JeffH

            At least I don’t lie by myself at nite like you do! And I also don’t tell lies like you repeatedly do. Liar liar liar! HAH! Gotcha witchy woman spin doctor!

          • JeffH

            Hey mouth. What about your buudy Bawhny Fwank? In addition, if a reprimand was enough “punishment” for Barney Frank, who was charged by the same committee with fixing 30 parking tickets, and writing a misleading probation letter on behalf of child pornographer, cocaine dealer, male prostitute and lover Steven Gobie, why is Newt getting slammed with such a harsher penalty?

          • eyeswideopen

            jeff, i was responding to comment made about Newt. You want to talk about Frank, that is fine. I don’t like him either.

        • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

          The answer is to have the people choose the president instead of the CIA.
          It seem our country is now and has been for awhile an Oligarchy run by the CIA. Those who do a favor for the CIA are rewarded.

          Bush Sr. given the presidency for his role in the Kennedy assassination.
          Dan Rather got his evening news spot for reporting Kennedy’s head going forward with violence.
          Nixon resigned because the Watergate thieves were tied to the Kennedy assassination, (E Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis).
          Porter Goss resigned suddenly. Could this also be the Kennedy connection?
          Gerald Ford for service to the CIA by changing the location of gunshots to Kennedy body.
          William Jefferson Clinton for making Arkansas a “banana republic” for the CIA. (guns for drugs) etc.
          Bush Jr. for his role in 9-11 working with the CIA and Mossed.
          Vice President Joe Biden for his work defending William Jefferson Clinton in his impeachment trial.
          Obama for his service to the CIA in dealings with “Al Qaeda” when Russia was fighting in Afghanistan.

          • Peter

            Joe;
            You give the CIA way too much credit. With the exception of a very few few heads up people, they don’t know the left hand from the right. The Clinton administration effectively neutered them. Who are the mossed, old guys who move very, very slowly??

        • Rob

          Ray Mason…You are getting it.

          You are onto them.

          Nice work.

      • http://www.theysaynothing.com Jim

        I couldn’t agree more, John. The reaction to healthcare reform is long on scare tactics and short on ideas. Our healthcare system is a problem and we need to address it. Pretending the present insurance-led process in socialist or the end of America doesn’t help any body understand the issue.

        • TIME

          Jim,
          If you get a flat tire do you scrap your car? I would hope not, but the parallel is not unlike what was passed as Health care reform.

          Lets look at a few points; What are the main issues with Health care now, none. We have the best money can buy if you need it.
          Then where are the problems, Insurance co’s, perhaps lets look this over.

          The Government has placed many restictions on Insurance co’s as well restrictive rules on Doc’s that make them have to run test that they need not run as well charge for these test, thus a test that needs to be run is not run until all the other test that have nothing to do with whats wrong with you are run first to meet the Government standards.

          Whats the end game, higher Insurance cost.

          Ok lets go back to your car with one flat tire. Do you fix the one flat tire, or get rid of your car?
          From a pure logic standpoint, if you have Government involvement that makes all cost higher do you scrap the CAR, or do you get the Government out of the uint, thus reducing all cost?

          Our Government has screwed up just about everything it gets into rather than fix the problem by removing themselfs, no they make the problem even worse by fixing it to something thats even worse than the fix they started with. Its called making work for yourself.

          So the second stage of this logic is vividly clear, our government allows special interest groups that have massive voter blocks get rewarded by what our Government works to make favor with special interest groups to get reelected.

          Thus the bill passed by nefarious means was not about health care at all, it was a 100% total power grab for control, and nothing less.
          Now we have a car with no tires, no seats, and of no value.
          Thats not Fear, thats common sense.

          • Rob

            Ahhh…Leading the witness your Honor…

          • Rob

            I don’t disagree with whats being said….its just that I can hear that Texas accent….
            And it kinda ruins everything…

            A dope making a point…No offense.

          • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

            Trying to fix Health care through Washington is like trying to feed sparrows through a cow!

          • eyeswideopen

            time, lets look at some of the good things:
            Children with pre-existing conditions can no longer be denied insurance.
            Young people can stay on parents plan until 26
            Insurance companies banned from dropping people when they get sick.
            Restrictive annual limits set will be abolished.
            People with pre-existing conditions will have access through a temporary high risk pool.
            New appeals process to help those who have been denied coverage from their insurance companies.
            Discrimination based on salary will be outlawed.
            Insurance companies will now have to submit rate increases to their states, if it is excessive or unjustified, they cannot participate in exchanges.
            Small businesses will receive tax credits of up to 35% of premiums to make employee coverage more affordable.
            Private plans will be required to provide free preventive care at no cost to insured.
            Early retires have help with temporary re-insurance to help offset expensive premiums for employers age 55-64.
            Closes “donut hole”.
            Starting in 2011 50% discount on prescription drugs presently in the donut hole.

            If you are going to talk about it, at least admit there are some good things in it. You need to stay on your representatives, it is their job to refine and tweek this to get it better.

          • JeffH

            The bad and the ugly:
            Mandate. Proof of insurance coverage is required of all Americans, while insurers are still largely free to charge what they want. (To keep insurers in check the bill needs a broader public option and mandatory rate approval to curb prices.)

            Poor minimum coverage. Allowable minimum health plan, the “bronze” level, would cover only 60% of overall patient costs, including copays and deductibles. (Should be at least 75%.)

            No employer requirement. Employers face only very weak fees for failing to even offer coverage. (Need more realistic requirements in House bill.)

            The Ugly:

            10. Race to the bottom on state protections. State benefit requirements would be preempted by “nationwide plans” and multistate “compacts,” which would be ruled by laws of the weakest states; weaker federal requirements would become the norm. Coverage of AIDS/HIV testing, reconstructive surgery, home health care services, and child delivery and mastectomy minimum hospital stays and more would likely be lost. (States must retain freedom to require stronger coverage

            Individual mandate (page 320 section 1501). The bill requires every American, with some exceptions, to show proof of owning a health insurance policy or receiving health coverage from a public program. (For example, Medicaid or Medicare). Failure to do so will result in a fine of up to $750.

            Low in Price, High in Cost — 60% Actuarial Cap on Basic Coverage (page 112, section 1302(d)). The bill, responding to insurance industry lobbying, has lowered the overall value of the cheapest “bronze” plan to below that of almost any current employer-sponsored plan. The bronze plan has an actuarial value of 60%, 5% below the previous Senate plan, and 10% below the House plan. That means patients will have to pay, between premiums and out of pocket costs, 40% on average of their supposedly covered costs.

            No matter what the premium price, strapped middle-class Americans who buy these plans will get horrible sticker shock on their deductibles and copays when they need to use the policy for anything beyond basic preventive care. Such costs deter families from seeking needed treatment for themselves and their children

            Employer “Fine” Shifts Burden of Health Care Costs to Individuals and Families (Page 348, section 1513). The bill requires employers with 50 or more employees to provide health coverage or pay a fine of $750 per employee each year. Those employers would only be required to pay a fine if any of its employees qualify for a subsidy to buy coverage on their own through the Exchange.

            Pre-emption of State Benefit Mandate Laws (Page 219, section 1333). Insurers may form “health care compacts” (page 219) and “Nationwide plans” (page 222) which would only be subject to the health benefit mandate laws and regulations of the State in which the plan was “written or issued.” Assuming that the proposed new national minimum benefit guidelines (page 102, section 1302) would apply to the compacts and Nationwide plans, the national minimums would become default rules because insurers would certainly choose to be regulated by the weakest state. As a result, millions of Americans could lose insurance coverage of important medical treatments and services such as AIDS/HIV testing, reconstructive surgery, home health care services, and child delivery and mastectomy minimum hospital stays.

            Provisions in the bill allowing states to “opt-out” of permitting Nationwide plans and “opt-in” to interstate compacts offer little protection. The 1,000 health insurance lobbyists estimated to be working the federal health reform bill, and the industry’s unlimited capacity to buy votes with campaign contributions, would be marshaled to advance the insurers’ interest at the state level.

          • TIME

            Rob,
            I am not sure about a Texas twang, I have a great number of friends from the Great state of Texas. But I am North Eastern born raised.

      • Jeff Miller

        John,

        You obviously didn’t read what Bob said. The socialist Republicans are just as bad as the socialist Democrats. I think someone once said; “you can put lipstick on a Marxist but it’s still a Marxist.” The obvious solution is to start anew and vote ALL incumbents, Republicans and Democrats, out of office in November.

        • Patsy Dye

          i AGREE WITH YOU…That is the only way we can get our country back and that is to vote all encumbants out and start anew. Term limits to keep them from becoming corrupt and to keep them from becoming career politicians with favors they owe to the special interest groups. VOTE THEM ALL OUT AND ONLY LET THEM HAVE ONE TERM….JUST KEEP VOTING THEM OUT! MAYBE, JUST MAYBE EVENTUALLY THEY WILL REMEMBER THAT THEY WORK FOR US! THEY DAMNED SURE TAKE OUR TAX DOLLARS AND THEY SPEND OUR TAX DOLLARS LIKE THERE IS NO TOMORROW, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THEY DO NOT WANT TO HEAR FROM US UNTIL THEY NEED OUR VOTE TO GET THEM RELECTED!

        • Stan Blanchard

          Jeff,
          Those were the first rightus true works I’ve heard, but you forgot the main thing we the people have to do!!!!!!

          IMPEACH OBAMA in 2011 and ship him back to his communist home in china, he had a xmas blub on the xmas tree in the WH of a picture of chairman mao the same guy that murdered 100 millions of his people, he said thats great, thats the less we’ll have to feed!!!!!

      • http://goooh.com keith

        check out goooh.com. get out of our house. promotes statesmen not politicians. read their by laws.

      • DaveH

        John,
        What’s your solution? I agree that both parties have gotten us into this mess. Politicians understandably want to feather their own nests. People look out for themselves. That is life.
        But a large portion of the blame goes to a complacent electorate who won’t take the time to really understand the issues. It takes work to secure and maintain Freedom, and unfortunately, I don’t think most Americans are up to that task.
        We need to wake up to the fact that if we can’t make the necessary effort to take care of ourselves, then we are dreaming to think the Politicians are not only going to take care of themselves, but put in the extraordinary effort to also take care of us.

        • Airangel

          DaveH I totally agree with you. Many voters have no idea who they’re voting for. They go to vote on one thing that concerns them and the rest is “guesswork”. Also, there is a large percentage and mental way of thinking that the Government “should” take care of us and not us taking care of our own. We are sending examples that to get ahead in this world, you have to Lie, Cheat, be lazy, sue for quick rewards, spend credit as if the money grows on trees and it’s OK because if it gets too much, you can just walk away from it with no accountability, integrity, repsonsibility, etc…it starts with all of us in our families, communities and own States to re-educate people to take pride in America and what it has always stood for, the value of honor and your word being as good as any signed contract…right and wrong…Any Government for the people should lead by example, be ethical, show integrity and morals, be financially responsible and truly be leaders to where all countries respect us and look to us as that “true beacon of light” in which we are revered and respected by all….Lies and deceit are never trusted and will never win the favor of those that still hold onto “FREEDOM of Choice”

      • home boy

        the solution is not man.he has had 6000 years since adam and eve and can’t get it right . why? 2 reason. he’s not perfect and the world we live in is controled by satan. you know him right . and only god can defeat him. yes we are in deep [offensive word removed] here. but if you have faith and believe in the bible , a great trbulation is right around the corner.or you can keep waiting for man to solve the corruption. ofcourse 6000 years is a long time to wait so you make the choice, but it’s coming like a run awaytrain. have fun trying to solve these problems. i’m going with the bible. make sure you save some money to get water. that’s the true gold and silver. and if you want to know whathappens to gold and silver read ezekiel chapter 7 verse 19. read it and weep.

      • LocalYokel

        John we all have to assume that you can read since you can type. Go back in history to the beginning of the last century when a depression recovery was in process. Go over the legislation that was passed in the first ten years and notice that a real war and a flu epidemic was thrown in for good measure. Observe the party representation in congress and the manipulation of presidential nominees. Newspaper articles of the era should be of help.
        Then proceed through the great depression and take note of efforts that party and leadership provided to get you where you are today with the exception of being unaware of the true cause of our financial situation. Remember that bankers have had great influence on public opinion long before the recent bailout and have owned most of the daily news papers having bought the top seventeen in one fell swoop.
        Make notation of party affiliation of all that you would blame for each backward step in the march that is widely addressed as “moving forward” in all todays network news. The similarities of political actions then and now will be undeniable including “Bushes” by other names. There were breaks in party majority but never in money and media control.
        If you begin to feel victimized by your research, don’t be depressed. You are not alone by any means. Come back and comment when you’re up to it. Or you can just come back and dump again for laughs.

      • http://yahoo Dennis in KC

        John:

        You’re not goingt to be too popular if you keep pointing out that it was the Repubs that brought us to this dance, no matter how true that is.

        We’re dealing with the results of that moron Reagan’s trickle down BS economic theory. He only helped the rich and that doofus Bush did his damnedest to finish off what was left of the middle class.

        Unfortunately, there’s way too many people on this board that believe that Obama and Pelosi did this all in fourteen months. It’s much more convenient to blame the Dems than it is a regime that doubled our deficit and started a war with the wrong country on borrowed money, then tap danced into the distance leaving all of us holding the smelly end of the stick.

        Yeah, let’s blame the Dems, even though all through history they have been the ones that straightened out what the Repubs screwed up.

        Let the howling begin!!!!

        • John

          Dennis the sad the thing is that I have always leaned republican. I have never voted strictly for one party or another, I believe in “trying” to pick the best candidate.
          But George Bush administration was SO corrupt and the republican congress and senate not only supported everything he did but padded every expenditure for themselves. GWB even flew 12 BILLION in CASH to his supporters which immediately disappeared. The whole mess of the last 8 years made me go back and reevaluate all of those republicans that I voted for, and I hate to admit it but I believed all of the lies I was told – but no more. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me…..

          I came to realize – if you work for a living and vote republican you are voting against your own interests. I am a prime example – mid 50′s, an engineer, laid off, if I want to work, I have to take AT LEAST, a 50% pay cut.

      • LocalYokel

        Wrong John. The path that you describe was well established under an earlier democratic administration almost a hundred years ago improved substantially under another democratic administration seventy years ago all well whitewashed by big media. The present administration and media are firmly committed to reaching their communal goal in this decade. Study history and devise your own solution but be sure to design several alternate plans. Revelation of recent whitewashed events should expose the risk of success based on normal civil processes. Watch for the lines drawn in the dust and be aware of where you stand since it’s not a game of hopscotch.

    • American liberal

      What about the morons that voted in Bush and Cheney… Or the idiots that voted for McCain & Palin?… I don’t know who you voted for but if you supported Bush and Cheney then you have a lot of responsibility for the mess this countrys in… And if you voted for McCain and Palin then you just don’t care how the country does as long as it’s a republican…
      Another way to look at this is President Obama probley wouldn’t have been elected if the Republicans ( Bush/ Cheney) hadn’t been so horrible… And as far as Obamas spending, Who signed the RECOVERY ACT?…let me help you… It was Bush…. And by the way… Glenn Beck thought the bailouts were wonderful while Bush was still in office…what I’ve posted can be searched

      • http://verizon kbab777

        Glenn Beck never supported any bush bail-outs or a lot of other things Bush did. There you go lyin” again about Beck in a lot of ways I am like Beck I’m a thinkin’ american.

        • Richard

          Glenn Beck absolutely was for bailouts before he was against them.
          “I think the bailout is the right thing to do. The real story is the $700,000,000,000 you are hearing about now is not only, I believe, necessary, also not nearly enough and all the weasels in Washington know it” Glenn Beck

          • Richard

            Beck admits he was for it for about 3 days, but changed his mind as more info became available. Now tell me…anyone here claiming they have never changed thier mind because they are perfect? if you claim perfection…then you must be the son or daughter’s of Obama.

          • American Citizen

            Are you sure you’re not taking this out of context? If you listen to him, I’ve never heard him say he was for the bailouts.

          • Jana

            American Citizen,
            Yes he actually did say that not too long ago. He said he was for it for a few days then he started learning what it was about.
            People are always saying things like Beck is an entertainer. Yes, he could have made it easily as an entertainer, as he is quite talented. However, he has started educating himself in our history, and in politics. He is sharing his education in these fields, and encouraging us to study for ourselves. Which I have been doing.
            People like Hugh Jordan (below) keep spewing out the same old hatred rhetoric of anyone that is for the Right.

          • Joe H.

            Jana,
            Actually he still says that. He says it is up to us to take what he says, use it or not, make up our minds on how to cure the problems we have!!!

        • Hugh Jordin

          Glenn Beck is an “entertainer” and hardly a political theoretician. He is the other side of the same coin as Rachel Maddow. He spills out what his audience wants to hear. He plays on their fears and and fantasies, implants more, stirs them up and takes home a big check.

          After watching his “performances” one can only conclude that not only is he a mediocre actor, but his sincerity level is slightly less that that of the average used car salesman.

          Free yourself from the nonsense of all the alleged media pundits, liberal and “conservative”.

          The only one worse than Beck is the ultimate media blow hard, Rush Limbaugh. When is he moving to Ecuador?

          • Delores Smith

            Hugh,
            Glenn Beck is a Patriot. We don’t have many of them of left.
            Delores Smith

      • JeffH

        Wannabe American but a stinkin liberal…your song is always the same talking points…Bush/Cheney. You are here for one thing and one thing only, to disrupt this conservative site. You could care less about the issues being discussed…just disrupt the conservatives at all costs. You people are just part of the flock, taking your lead from the famous Marxist’s book of rules. You’re quest for total socialism is far more than despicable, it is treason to the highest degree. If you smacks do succeed to totally destroy this free America, I hope you have a safe house to live in. You certainly won’t have equal law and freedom to hide behind.
        This is intended for all of the liberal hacks that join in with your anti-American rhetoric. We all know who you are and I hope you all have a safe haven to live. My comments aren’t meant to be any kind of a threat to anyone. The ruling government will treat everybody the same way, they certainly won’t recognize your contributions to their cause. We will all become equal targets.

        • American liberal

          Of course you don’t want me posting on this site … The exact things you complain about being socialism and facist are the things you stand for… I’m excercising my freedom to say what I believe… That offends you… You are nothing but a cheap domestic terrorist and should be watched very carefully…

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            AMERICAN LIBERAL, AND YOU, I SUPPOSE, ARE AN ALTERBOY?

          • http://ppastoret@q.com Phil Pastoret

            Sonny it’s getting late. You have to get out of your jammies and go upstairs and get ready to go to the welfare office. It’s almost the first of the month.

          • JeffH

            Just more cheap talking points. Do you think these up on your own or do you get them from your operations manual. I know the answer to that, never mind answering.

          • American Citizen

            You call yourself “Liberal” and that gives you away. You are the true socialist. Conservatives are for the Constitution and liberals are about working around it and in the end destroying it.

          • Chris

            They only want freedom to pertain to them. They have a hard time understanding there is a whole nation of people out there with different thoughts and ideas. When someone disagrees they call it taking away their freedom. They think they are the only ones that truely love this country. We have many faults, but by far we are we better off than most. I don’t like hand outs either, but sometimes people need help. Some here still are not very old and haven’t had the fear of not having health coverage. Others are on Medicare and have no idea they are actually on a socialist government run program as well as the Social Security checks they receive. Those issues were just as hotly debated too, but here we are 40 -75 years later and you know what most Americans really like those programs. Is the current health care reform perfect? Not by a long shot. Are there things in there that are unconstitutional? Yup. Can’t quite figure out how they can force us to buy insurance, but them on the other hand they shouldn’t be able to force providers to treat anyone that walks in an emergency room. If you choose not to have insurance fine, but then you give up your right to treatment, and if you are treated and can’t pay the provider should have the right to take your home car and all belongings as compensation, plus, if it was your choice to not cover yourself then you are also exempt from government assistance. Now the one thing we need is a very low cost government run plan. Even if you pay just 1% of your income you should still have to pay for it.
            I wonder why people in Washington can’t come up with idea, but then I understand it. Votes. The left tries to cater to the poor and give them hand outs, the right caters to the wealthy and nut cases and tries to protect them from paying taxes. Then you have the middle class that gets stuck paying the bill. If you want to change vote the bums out. Every house seat is up for election in Nov. Wouldn’t be cool of NONE of them returned to Washington! What kind of message would that send?

          • Delores Smith

            Liberal,
            Wash your mouth out with soap.
            Delores Smith

        • Hugh Jordin

          There are many ways to love America, NOT just yours. You sound as intolerant as the Taliban and inflexible in thought as a member of the Third Reich.

          • Jana

            Hugh J

            If you love America so much, then why do you want to CHANGE it???

          • Hugh Jordin

            Jana-

            Our country is a living entity. It evolves and improves when possible. That’s why as a nation, we abolished slavery (I suspect some here may still be bitter about that), established laws governing automobile traffic, air travel, merchant marine issues, civil rights, how to use the airwaves for the benefit of the people (although some would like to make it less so, like the jerk Bush appointed head of the FCC). As a nation and as a people we have not always done the right thing (ask the Native Americans), but we have always strived to make things better.

            As technology evolves, the expansion of human knowledge (although suppressed by the Texas school board who has removed one of the greatest Americans, Thomas Jefferson, from the curriculum because he does not conform to their fundamentalist perceptions of religious correctness).

            So many here, most believing themselves good Christians, not getting the point, are so worried about someone else getting a piece of their pie.

            There are many in our society who are like children and fo whatever reason are not capable of taking care of themselves. The issue is not right wing or left wing, not Republican or Democrat, it is a moral issue. In a country as prosperous as ours, (yes, despite the current economic climate), is it right to abandon those who can’t get their act together. Would you have them starve?

          • Jana

            Hugh J.

            Thank you for your forthcoming answer. I do see your point in what you say about improving our country when we can, and things such as abolishing slavery, and with new technology having to make new laws. And, yes we have striven to make things better. I am all for that.

            You talk about those of us who believe we are good Christians not getting the point, You and I are not the judge, so I am not going to go there.

            As far as there are those who are like children and are not capable of taking care of themselves? If you are talking about the Mentally challenged? No one ever would deny help to any of these precious people.
            As far as others who won’t take advantage of our education system to better themselves for whatever reason, we do have all kinds of help for them. Free housing, free medical care, food stamps. Of course no one would have them starve. To me all of these points are moot points, as they are already a given.

            What I am talking about is taking our great FREE country and turning it into a Socialist country. It is a proven fact that Obama surrounds himself with Socialists, and Communists and yes, this bothers me a lot. He is getting advice and seemingly following this advice and this scares me.He believes in taking from the rich and giving to the poor, he calls it redistributing the wealth. He believes in controlling the people. Of course if you are Socialistic bent then that won’t bother you.

      • Airangel

        Come up with something new American Liberal…You are sounding like a broken record! We are dealing with NOW so stop living in the past. It doesn’t matter TODAY!

        • Joe H.

          Airangel,
          Yup!! Bush/, clickcheney,click Bush/cheny, click, Bush/Cheney,click,ECT AD NAUSIUM!!!!!!

      • http://ppastoret@q.com Phil Pastoret

        No one voted for McCain moron. All the votes McCain recieved were for Palin. I believe McCain was a set up from the git go but so as not to make it so obvious they put the firebrand Sarah Palin in as his running mate. It almost backfired on the wheeler dealers though because Sarah Palin became the spokes person for the people. You on the left tried to destroy her. I for one will never forget that. And the is a saying in the ghetto where I worked for 30 yrs as a cop. “Payback is a bitch” Remember that clown.

        • Richard

          Palin is corrupt politics as usual. She’s been caught in self serving gov. pipeline deals, waste,etc…….

        • Hugh Jordin

          Palin destroyed herself when she revealed her ignorance and lack of cerebral capacity. No one in their right mind would want her anywhere near the White House or acting as Commander in Chief of the world’s most powerful military.

          She is a creationist and has as much grasp of science as she does of condoms.

          There are plenty of brilliant conservatives who would make great presidents. Palin is NOT one of them.

          She has devolved into the tabloid personality she truly is.

        • American liberal

          Phil…. Your telling me that all the votes that McCain got were really for Palin… ?… You know that how?… Also, Palin has the IQ of used chewing gum( like you)…. Check her approval polls……even from the republican party…and all that said…. I’d like nothing better than you nutcases to nominated her to run aginst president Obama in 2012… If I could I’d vote for her in the primarys just to help her run aginst our candidate…you can hear her head rattle when she walks … She would be the perfect candidate for fools like you..

          • http://ppastoret@q.com Phil Pastoret

            Please re-read your post’s and correct them.. It is very hard trying to understand what your trying to say with all the grammerical errors and mis-punctuated sentences.

        • Jana

          Phil, I agree with you. Even today she can draw a big crowd. Sure she has made some beginner mistakes, but she is learning. No one when they are first starting out can be a seasoned speaker, and aware of the traps that are set out for them, but when you start seeing them mature in wisdom, then it is a joy to see.
          The lefties and the Socialists are afraid of her because she calls them what they are.

          • http://ppastoret@q.com Phil Pastoret

            Thank you. Sarah Palin may not have gone to an Ivy League school but her expierence in government as a leader far out classes Obamas. Starting from her humble beginning as a school board member to the Governer of Alaska. Whereas Obama was nothing more then what, an “organizer”. What the hell is an organizer? I lived for most of my life in Indiana 20 miles from Chicago. I left there 4 and a half years ago. We had all the Chicago stations both radio and tv. I’m telling you I never heard of Obama until he ran for President. He was groomed for the job by people that wanted him in the White House for reasons of their own. He is doing someone else’s bidding. That my friends is Chicago politics. I can see it now, little skinny Obama sitting at a table under a bare light bulb in a smoke filled back room somewhere in Chicago. A voice from the shadows speaks out. “You are going to be the next president of the United States but you are going to do what we tell you to do, do you understand what I’m saying?” He answers his voice quivering, “yes”.

          • JeffH

            Jana and Phil, I think you are both spot on track.

          • eyeswideopen

            Jana, tell me why her grandson is on socialized healthcare? Since the Palin family has 1/16 Native Indian in the family, Bristol Palins son is registered with the Indian Health Services & Alaska Native Medical Ctr., which is funded by the Department of Health and Human Serives. Actually Sarah Palin is the only one who isn’t covered by IHS. Please someone tell me how she can rail against government supplied healthcare when her family enjoys taxpayer funded healthcare??? Hypocrisy at the maxium level. People wake up and look at the facts. She isn’t what she is protraying.

          • JeffH

            Mouth…you are a friggin idiot. Why have you decided to keep attacking Bristol Palin and why haven’t you provided the link as proof. The comments by some liberal bloggers do not make it real.
            You are one viscious, hateful and evil individual.

          • JeffH

            Sarah Palin has no American Indian in her blood.
            “All the liberal Indians in America, ever so fond of “white women saviors,” should all take a good look at Sarah Palin. This woman’s values need to be seriously considered by American Indians. Remember, what’s best for America is best for American Indians. We have a stake in that American Constitution. We are recognized as “nations” in that foundational document. Anyone who decries or debunks the Constitution is no friend of American Indians. I recommend that Indians take a careful look at Sarah Palin. I believe she will become the leading figure in American social reform, and Indians need to cultivate a healthy relationship with her now.”
            http://www.badeagle.com/2009/07/07/sarah-palin-and-the-american-folk-tradition/

          • JeffH

            After more research it is true that the children have the blood of the Yup’ik Eskimo from their father. Whatever this has to do with anything boggles my mind, but then I’m just a conservative minded person. I know why you are bringing all of this to light and it is shameful that you continue with your “Inquirer/TMZ” mindset.

            “Like the hundreds of reporters, bloggers and Democratic strategists following the election, they are vetting Palin’s record on Native issues.
            And they are drawing varied conclusions.”

            Support or a lack of support depends on the wealth gained by the various tribes and/or the support of drilling and mining and the use of natural resources and how it is viewed.

            I still see no relavance to your comments and any affect it has on this or any other important issue other than trying to stir the pot.
            But, I guess, what else do you do better than be irrelavant.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Phil,_Thank you. Sarah Palin may not have gone to an Ivy League school but her expierence in government as a leader far out classes Obamas. (copy and pasted)
            Isn’t that what we are all tired of The Ivy Leaguers, Lawyers and Lobbiests and career politicians?__I don’t think Sarah Palin is ready for the Office of the President yet, but at least she’s down to earth, loves America,the constitution and got the kahuna’s to fight back!

      • CJ

        Typical liberal. Can’t stick to the point and only serves to disrupt constructive conversations with unsubstantiated claims. In other words, the source of the problem who tries to cover the guilt with BS! The problem is a majority of the people didn’t vote, all the candidates were below standard and we get stuck with the lesser (hopefully) of two evils. When the only thing you have to choose from is cr*p, you can only get cr*p. It’s just a different grade of it. We can’t get a quality product without quality stock. We can only improve when we can reject ALL the selection!

        • Jana

          CJ,
          That’s what they do though. I am very concerned that this is what the Obama administration is doing right now by getting us off of the main problem in this country which is our economy and lack of jobs.

          The only one hiring is the Government which is getting bigger and bigger. Instead of Obama concentrating on our economic problems he flitters from one crisis making fiasco to another. They used the guise of the HCB that it would stimulate the economy. Lie # 1. Now they are focusing on something else, but never is it going to be the economy, because its all about control.

          Even Max Baucus said,”This legislation (HCB) is an income shift.” Wow, like it is up to them to make sure we all make the same amount. But, we can’t say we weren’t warned as Obama has always been for “Redistributing the Wealth”. Other people’s wealth though, not his.

      • Weavi

        Richard is right! It has long been said, “A smart person WILL change their mind and a fool never does” and Glenn changed his mind. Our conuntry would be much better off if more people would remember what our founding fathers had in mind for our people. They built the Constitution on assuring us of freedoms that people in other countries only dream of and now Obama is trying to circumvent all things in the Constitution that hamper him forcing his Socialistic agenda on the American people, in other words he is trying to destroy the very thing that has made America great for all these years!!! When our founding fathers sighned the Declaration of Independence they felt they were sighing their own death warrents, but freedom ment that much to them!!!! It is a shame that political party means more to so many Americans than freedom. I am a registered Democrat, but I could see Obama wanted to turn America upside down and did not nor will I ever vote for someone who wants to destroy what God has provided for me….A GREAT HOME!!! Obama swore on the bible to uphold the Constitution and is not doing so….So again he lied!!!!!

      • http://yahoo Nick

        American Liberal,

        You are a typical vulgar vaccuous lefty with your name-calling and your verbal flatulence. Lefty liberals practically ALWAYS replace substance with personal attack and verbal garbage in an attempt to fluster their opponent primarly due to the fact that lefty liberal discourse consists mostly of vague emotional diatribe and verbal trickery and cannot be defended using a reliable source such as an encyclopedia, history book, etc.

        • Joe H.

          Nick,
          Verbal flatuence describes it so elloquently as he does talk out his AZZ!!!!

      • Dawn Marie

        YOU ARE LAUGHABLE! AND LIKE MOST LIBERALS, YOU MAKE UP YOUR OWN STORIES OF WHAT IS GOING ON INSTEAD OF FINDING THE TRUTH. NO ONE IS SAYING THAT THE REPUBLICANS HAVE NEVER MADE MISTAKES, WE HAVE…THE BIGGEST ONE WAS LETTING OBAMA GET INTO THE WHITEHOUSE.

        ALTHOUGH, IT HAS ALSO BEEN A BLESSING THAT HE IS IN THERE…….IT IS WAKING UP AMERICA, SHOWING THEM HOW WE HAVE SLOWLY LET LIBERALS TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS. HOPEFULLY, WE WILL TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY AND NOT ABUSE IT THIS TIME.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          YOU GO GIRL!

      • Stan Blanchard

        Mr. Liberal,

        If these people that voted for this radical socialist Obama, should have checked his back ground, and listened to his it’s only five days before we transform america into a socialist state, and then to a commie state, it was these morons that put Obama in office, they think they will get every thing free from you progessive socialist…I would vote for Sarah Palin any time, she is an american, she has more brains in her little finger then commie Barry has in his whole bid head, and nothing but lies come out of his mouth, thank god for Glenn Beck…..we are finialy waking up to get rid of the corrupt Obama and his gang of misfit of so called americans……

      • LocalYokel

        Unlike you Lib, Glen has admitted that he was uneducated on the subject at the time. What you have to determine now is whether you will continue to be led the two party phallacy or redeem the responsibility of being either a patriot or a traiter.

    • Harold Olsen

      I’m not so sure the people who voted these Nazis into office WANT to open their eyes. On top of that, there are still people around who can’t get rid of the attitude of dumping the incumbents “but not mine.”

      That idiot Bill Maher made some comment several months ago about how stupid the American people are. I’m not so sure he wasn’t right. People complain, but when push comes to shove, they are afraid to do anything about it except whine and complain. They just vote the same people back into office.

      On another web site, I often sign my postings with the line “It’s time for another American Revolution!!” I’m referring to a revolt at the voting booth where we vote all of these Nazi scumbags out of office. But the way things are going, we just may have to revisit 1776. I firmly believe that Obama has no intention of ever leaving office. Now that this lying Nazi scumbag is in power, he plans to stay there and keep that power. I’m certain he will also find some reason to cancel the November election. So, it may be time to lock and load!

      • Hugh Jordin

        Harold-

        Please return to planet Earth.

        • Stan Blanchard

          Harold, is on plannet earth but I’m not so sure you are Hugh….

      • Jana

        Harold O,
        I agree with you. People do forget, but a lot of them just are too busy raising a family, working, taking care of their children, that they aren’t paying attention to what is going on.
        When I talk to some of my friends they are amazed at what I am saying, and then they say, “I haven’t heard any of that.”

        • bbstacker

          “Idol Americans” cannot seem to understand that the responsibility of living in this Federal Republic BEGINS with knowing just who they heck they are voting for, then the real job starts with our “watch” to be on guard with every sunrise. We are not taught to care or worry about elected office, and we have become a nation of sheep. The most fearful display of what takes place after the ballot box is on the video box channel of C-Span–watching this non-stop trainwreck of those fighting against Liberty and Freedom and then those fighting, some times, for the Constitution is enough to make a thinking American Citizen blow an artery. The daily podium pony show of the nazi speaker, et al, is pure disgust. That ignorant lemmings voted to put these communists in power of their lives is blasphemy.

          • Joe H.

            bbstacker,
            When you have voters that can tell you everything the latest winner of American Idol wore, what they sang, and their heritage, this is what happens. People know more about imaginary people in movies than who is pres/vice pres!!! Most don’t even know who their governor is much less who their reps are!!!

          • Stan Blanchard

            BBstacker,
            I gree with you entirely, your right on the money…

      • Les

        American do keep voting them back into office no matter what. B. Frank of MA was one of many in congress that helped cause the financial collapse which cost the voters in MA billions. However despite this loss they keep voting him back in by large margins.

        • LocalYokel

          Adolph Hitler learned of controlled media effect on public opinion from both the Bolshevik revolution and that demonstrated by media on Americans. Many here have yet to question media with unfiltered history. With all the sports coverage to choose from they probably won’t until the lights go out.

    • Joe

      Berberoni, you love this country? There’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, what are you waiting for? Volunteer to fight.

    • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

      Christianity teaches that God is the highest authority. That God made man and the laws that govern man. Man then created the constitution, which created our form of government and set its parameters.
      Humanism teaches that man evolved, that ethics are situational, that man is the highest authority. Under our Christian form of government, we have inalienable rights from God. Our president under the constitution is commander in chief of the armed services, while our civilian population has no king but Jesus.
      Under a humanistic form of government, you would have only the rights granted by the man in power, and with no God, every man would do what was right in his own eyes. Abe Lincoln warned: “The philosophy of the classroom, is the philosophy of the government in the next generation.”
      William Penn said: “A nation not governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.” George Washington said: “True religion affords government its surest support. The future of the nation depends on the Christian training of the youth. It is impossible to govern without the Bible.”
      It would appear that some in our court system desire the next generation to be humanist, with no one to answer to but themselves. What future do you prefer? We are “One nation under God.” If Christ is Lord, nothing is secular.

  • http://www.truedawnrising.blogspot.com Jerry D

    If Americans do not respond swiftly and decisively, hopefully this November, there are far more assaults on freedom coming. Our once-great Republic will fall into nothing more than a democracy ruled by an oligarchy (elected elite). If complete amnesty is given and illegals are allowed to vote, we will have lost our country. If cap and trade is passed, we will have lost even more of our financial freedom. And, if Obama finds an excuse to declare martial law, we will have lost what remains of our liberty. One last word: there were those who tried to warn this country about what Obama really is, but those who were deceived refused to listen to reason. They voted for him anyway. Millions of others simply didn’t care enough for their liberty to bother to vote. It’s a shame – it was a great nation while it lasted.

    • http://www.theysaynothing.com Jim

      We have been ruled by an oligarchy for the past for over 100 years. The question is how to change it.

    • ray

      You are correct. It ids too late. We currently have a frace as a republic. We lost the moral compass. Christ. With the debt included we will collapse. So prepare your family. Ishould not be to long

      • http://verizon kbab777

        Ray you are so right like Ive said on many of these blogs. People that believe in Christ better get their houses in order and look up. Of course I have been ridiculed for this but it says in the Word to expect this in these days and times and something else I am just finding out about in last years bill there was a registry implant in the that plan. So those of us who pray better pray its not in this one. of course “the anointed one says he does not know whats in this bill” but we all know everything that falls from those lips are lies.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          Christ is about all we have left to believe in, The old man and talked about this plenty, and we warned our kids, this isn’t over, that they need to watch their backs, that if it gets too bad they can always come home,__Never, have I ever feared anything about America until now, I’m Sad and becoming afraid. God Bless

        • Joe H.

          kbab,
          Sounds quite different from your saying on the other thread that Jesus Is the antich…! I don’t know who you are playing with, but it sure as heck isn’t me!!!

          • coal miner

            JoeH,

            Go to the blog Obamacare.Knab777 didn’t say that. He said those who don’t believe in Jesus,are the Antichrist.You misread it.

    • scott

      can,t see reality when your smokeing dope,like all the ones that voted him in.some had to take time out of they,re robbery and assault schedule just to vote.we eather take care of them on welfare or jail.any way you,ll alway,s be paying for them and getting less yourself. (words removed for offensive content)

    • JeffH

      Not only is this great nation under siege, but this world is succumbing to those that have the ability to finance and organize this attempted takeover of freedom.
      If you haven’t already, please look at this link and tell me that what we are seeing don’t coincide with the ultimate plan to socialize America, and ultimately the world. Come to your own conclusions.
      http://community.marketwatch.com/groups/us-politics/topics/shadow-party-running-democratic-party

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        JEFFH, Rumor has it for a looong time now, one world order!

        • JeffH

          It’s veiled with many names, but the intent remains the same.Buyer beware!

        • eyeswideopen

          angel, be sure to clink on See for yourself: selected elites.

          The membership is astounding.

      • Jana

        HeffH.
        Another thought too, is They are going to start collecting money NOW for this Health Care Bill to go into effect in 4 years. Hmmmmm, they robbed the Social Security fund all of these years, what is to stop them from robbing this fund so when it comes time to implement this fiasco, the money will just not be there and they won’t know where its at. What will they do? Well, what do they always do when they need more of your money? Raise your taxes. This can be a merry go round fiasco.

        • JeffH

          At this point, all we can do is continue in our attempt to stop the bleeding…Time is of the essence for Obama and the Democratic Socialist Party to do as much damage to our freedom as they can.

    • Stan Blanchard

      Jerry D
      A true american will never give up, I fought for country for 8 yrs in the AIRFORCE and I have no idea in giving up thats what Obamas dead heads want us to do, watch Glenn Beck on fox news…The tea party and the 9/12 ers are not giving up, we need your help in NOV we willovercome, and then impeach king obama in 2011…..hang in there…..

  • http://www.ronhoehn.com Ron

    It is true that we have become a sponge nation where even the best most productive people are owned by the govern-mentalists. I fear this sweeping change from self aware, self made worth has been lured away from the american foundation into an economic plan that everyone will be tied to government made decisions for the rest of our natural existence.

    I think the progressive plans to ensnare our nation with insurmountable debt so government can dictate economic salvation by stealing away liberty for power is pretty much a done deal. Only the economic ruin of of the nation through the socialized mandate will cause enough damage to wake up the willing slaves from their blind religious obedience to the elitist indoctrination of servitude to their masters.

    • Les

      Your second paragraph is exactly what they are planning, even many liberals may live to regret it.

      • JeffH

        Les, TRUE. Once it’s over, the liberal supporters all become part of the people again. The only way to identify the would be the yellow streak down their backs.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          jeff___well recognize the Libs with the yellow stripe down their backs, or by a tattoed seriel number on their forearms!

          • JeffH

            …or the chip implanted in their skull!

          • Joe H.

            JeffH,
            Yeah, they take the one off their shoulder and implant it in their EMPTY skull!!!!

    • CJ

      Do any of you see the sign of George Soros in all of this? We are far from the first nation in his financial take downs – much to his personal profit. His and those who are the chosen followers. Such as the “non-citizen” in the White House.

  • Larry

    There was no way our Republic for which it stands nor our personal freedoms could last once we became a rich nation that allowed the courts to remove GOD and make it legal to murder the unborn. There is not one empire or Great nation that was able to keep[ it’s freedoms and power once immorality became excepted.And now the March to destruction continues with the legal marriages of Homosexuals and there serving openly in the Military. We have Priest,Pastors,Ministers all on a daily bases being reported for sexual abuse and only 20-25 percent of the people attending Church on a regular bases. We can blame it on liberals and socialist all we want but the truth of the matter is were the blame because with out our tolerance for all trhe immorality these people would not be our leaders…

    • http://bwmelton@atmc.net B Wayne Melton

      Wayne-OIB,NC Our problem is so simple to eliminate. 1. get rid of the illegals. 2. Let us shop health care insurance nationally. 3. Put caps on law suits (why should I get a settlement of $10,000,000 when I couldn’t possibly earn that much in three lifetimes? Let the attorneys justfy their one-third of the settlement with time and expenses. 4. Get on the welfare cheats! That money is for the people who can’t work and support themselves, not for the lazy no accounts!)

      • Rob

        And B Wayne
        To solve the immigration problem we need to ask ourselves what started it in the first place.

        NAFTA

        Under NAFTA American government subsidized farm products were dumped on the Mexican market. That put a lot of Mexican farmers and farm workers out of business. These people came north to the US to find work. I cannot blame them, they have families too.

        The United States under NAFTA destroyed much of the Mexican agriculture industry. No…NOT COMPLETELY!
        WE….AMERICA caused these problems with misguided trade policies.

        Want to solve the immigration problem? Take away their reasons for coming to the United States in the first place. Truth be told, Mexicans would rather live in Mexico anyway. Stop killing their farm industry, and stop hiring them here.
        Problem solved.

        • DaveH

          Mexico has created their own problems by regulating the life out of their economy. Unfortunately our Government is following their lead, albeit we have a long way to go, but Obama is pulling out all the stops to get us there:
          http://www.heritage.org/index/Country/Mexico

          • JeffH

            DaveH, just a warning to brace youself for another onslaught by U-NO-WHO about a mexican now being the richest man in the world.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, CATO, doesn’t like it as it realigned it’s market after the 1994 economic crisis, and once again in 2001, it made sure that they have organizations to prevent abuse. Mexico does belong to the OCED since 1994 and is considered a middle class country. It has the 11th largest purchasing power. 13th largest nominal GDP. Universal Healthcare will be completed by 2011. Literacy rate of 97%. They actually have a pretty free market system with nominal controls.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico

            You shouldn’t let Cato dictate your opinion on everything.

      • Rob

        B Wayne….
        you have to start thinking for yourself. You want caps on lawsuits?

        Your wife and 4 kids are driving in a Toyota. The Toyota speeds up to 100mph and your wife looses control and crashes. All die.

        Whats your wife and kids worth to you?

        Many large companies know thats its often cheaper to pay out claims and lawsuits, rather than recall millions of cars and fix a problem they have known about for years.

        Its more profitable for them to ignore the problem, and pay you off for the loss of your wife and kids than to protect you from a problem they caused.

        Caps on lawsuits only serve to reinforce that kind of thinking.

        Getting hundreds of thousands of dollars for spilled hot coffee is not the norm. Most claims are in line with the damage caused or the suffering inflicted. We only hear about the outrageous settlements, simply because they are outrageous.

        Doctor removes wrong kidney….Heres your 5K Buck up!

        • DaveH

          Does money buy those kids back? Does impoverishing a company help them make safer products?
          I have owned nothing but Toyotas since getting burned badly twice with American cars and 3 times with Swedish cars (can you say “Socialism”?). Of course Toyota made a mistake, but the quality and performance of their cars in general have probably saved thousands of lives over the years that would have been lost due to shoddy American workmanship. Make no mistake, this current brouhaha over Toyota’s problems is simply an effort by Government Motors to hobble their main competition. We all lose if the Government succeeds.

          • Dale

            Toyota and safe do not belong in the same sentence . . . they have consistently FAILED the IIHS safety tests for years . . .
            It appears Toyota has been government motors for decades . . .
            Toyota is one of a number of Japanese auto companies who have pursued a policy of lobbying U.S. government officials and funding U.S. political candidates both nationally and locally. In the case of Toyota specifically, more than forty percent of the congressional members serving on the three committees investigating Toyota have received campaign donations over the last ten years from Toyota.
            In fact, the Toyota Camry is not an “American car” it is a Japanese car. The Japanese government is quite clear what are Japanese cars and what are U.S. cars. The U.S. cars are the cars that the Japanese government has not allowed to be imported into Japan, in violation of the WTO agreements they have signed. The Japanese government, funneling money through their national automakers to U.S. lawmakers, has sought to assure that the door to American cars as well as other American products has been fully closed to importation into Japan while conversely working to assure that the importation of Japanese cars into the U.S. has been allowed without limits at the same time Japan closed it’s doors to U.S. products.

          • JeffH

            We have seen too many times how the liberal media and the Democratic Socialist Party attack anyone or anything that stand in the way of their ultimate goal. Truth has always been an obstacle for socialists and Marxists.

          • Mike

            DaveH, that’s not completely true, regarding American workmanship! My first 4 cars were Japanese. However, while during the SUV craze, I purchased a Ford. That crazy truck got me 11 years of problem-free service, with just tune-ups and oil changes! I wonder if there isn’t some type of stereotype. Because, when I look at US cars, I feel uninspired! Needless to say, after the AAA truck totalled my vehical, I bought another Ford! I’m crossing my fingers! High labor costs are the problem! Good day!

          • Jana

            It doesn’t matter what type of car you drive, the people decide which car manufacturer should succeed by buying the product. The Government should stay out of bailing them out.

            There are enough laws on the books to protect the consumer, but the bailouts haven’t helped our economy. They may have helped some Unions though.

          • Joe H.

            Mike,
            And look it up to find what American manufacturer didn’t take the stimulus and showed a healthy profit this year!! Oh hell with it I’ll tell you, it was Ford!!! of the ones that did the strongest was Chevy and they MIGHT show SOME profit!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            DaveH, what in the heck do you do to your cars? Don’t you put oil in them? I can understand getting burned once/twice, but five times?? Come on. That must be why you don’t have health insurance, must have gotten large settlements from your injuries. Can’t image, having five fires and not suing at least one time. That does explain your hatred of American made cars and your intense dislike of Sweden. However, still something funky about five fires. Most fires caused by no oil, in engine, or transmission. fuel line leaks, or electrial shorts in engine. (which should allow you to escape..smoke is very apparent) I am sorry you were injured. Wow, you had a Democratic wife, and two American cars that caught fire. Yep, you have had bad luck. No wonder you are so angry. Hope things have gotten better for you.

          • Crazy Thinker

            So you ould rather send your money to another country than give it to Ameicans? The American worker does shoddy work? Hummmmmmmm, that’s the kind of thinking that started all the job losses here in the USA way back in the 80′s when companies felt the same way and out sourced jobs. What a ditz.

          • JeffH

            Sorry DaveH, I missed it first time around. Eyes is such an idiot!
            Burned? Hah! I guess you could say she was the one that went up in flames….How could health coverage cover a lemon?

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        We’re going to hell in a hand basket

        • coal miner

          eyes,

          That was a brilliant response. I bought a Toyota ten years ago and nearly was killed in it,the right brake grab.This scab junk was brand new and no miles on it.IT also had a defected seat belt,it kept tighten up when you put it in drive.I ask them to correct the problems,all I got was excuses and smart mouth answers.I took it back and told them what they could do with it.I purchased a new red chevy truck and had no trouble out of it.To put it bluntly,I never had any trouble out of any chevy made cars or trucks. My favorite cars were Novas.I always kept them well maintain and when it is due,I changed the oil.

          • JeffH

            coal miner, if that was brilliant,I have an idea far more brilliant than that. Maybe you’d like to invest some hard earned cash into an idea I have to build American made automobiles that get 250 MPG on oxygen and never needs maintenance with the exception of greasing the muffler bearings every 100,000 miles. I have built a prototype and am testing it now with great results. It’s well past the planning stages, but take my word for it, I can almost guarantee a 5000% return on your investment. The only hurdle I’m having, although a minor one, is getting it approved by the EPA and past the government beauracracy. Get back to me soon as there isn’t much time to act on this great American opportunity.

    • Rob

      Larry, much of what you say is true…
      But until Jesus comes back, we are stuck to sort out our own problems.

      Its a nice thought, but there are people in our society with a form of mental illness that leaves them with no conscience and no ability to feel love or empathy for others. Its a real mental illness. These people are sociopaths. And many of them are high achievers, unhampered by concepts of morality or guilt.

      These people will never be moral, they are incapable of it. There are aproximately 12 million sociopaths in America and many, many of them are running corporations and involved in government. Its not easy to spot a sociopath, as they usually pass through society undetected.

      God is good for the rest of us, but for these people, there needs to be laws in place. Regulation to prohibit their self serving behavior, and to throw them in prison when they get out of hand.

      Sociopaths are irredeemable.

      • John

        “These people will never be moral, they are incapable of it. There are aproximately 12 million sociopaths in America and many, many of them are running corporations and involved in government. Its not easy to spot a sociopath, as they usually pass through society undetected.

        God is good for the rest of us, but for these people, there needs to be laws in place. REGULATION TO PROHIBIT THEIR SELF SERVING behavior, and to throw them in prison when they get out of hand.”

        Caps added – If you give these people the freedom to rob the average American blind – they will. S&L scandal was a prime example, did we the people learn from it – NO. We put the same de-regulators back in power and we got the Banking crisis as payback.

  • gary n

    wow its time the south got out

    • Rich

      Humm. I’m thinking maybe New York, California, and Illinois. Then we would be fine.

      • JeffH

        Easy, we’re trying one last time to get the big four out of California…Nazi Pelosi, Diane Fiendyck, Babbles Boxer shorts and Jerry Brown nose. I hope we can save California, but if not…see ya.

        • Palin12

          As a former Californian I can tell you it was liberating to get outta there! Do you remember when William Bonin, the “Freeway Killer” was about to be executed for the murders of at least 21 people, and Jerry Brown came on TV and said it’s wrong to execute him? What kind of Attorney General is that?

          • JeffH

            …not our next governor, that is foe sure.

  • Marie Kelley

    I’d rather die first before becoming a Socialist, I never want to hear that we are losing our Republic!!!!

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Bob Swift

      Well Marie Kelley, I hate to tell you but you have to be blind not to know that this country we all love so much is and has been heading into socialism for quit a while now and unless we the people can find a way to stop it you can kiss your freedoms goodby. I say this because this artical we are posting in pretty much tells it like it is. If you do some research on the Democrats you will find that everytime they get control of how our government is run bad things happen. Our SS fund is one prime example, they decided that the SS fund had way to much money in it and voted to move it to the general fund where it is still at and this is why they are telling us that SS is going broke. ( another case of brilliant minds at work ) Maybe 50 years ago give or take a few, a man told the USA that “We (meaning communist USSR) would bury us and that man was Nikita Khrushchev, but it is strange that he never said just how they would do this. Well they could not have done it by invading our shores, but they have had plenty of time over the years to plant people into our government and through out our land, I really believe this is why our country is being destoryed from with in. What is taking place with in our government today is not what this great country is about. We are heading straight for socialism.

  • Allegheny9341

    Well, I read this morning (now it was in WAPO – so may or may not be true) that Nancy Pelosi still has 60% approval rating in a poll of her district post Obamacare. That is scary.

    • Rich

      No thats SanFransico

    • Joe

      There are lot’s of us who support this administration. We are the ones, Republicans and Democrats alike that voted them into office based on the promises of change. The campaign promises are being delivered and that will continue to strengthen the based for the 2nd term for President Obama.

      • http://msn Jack

        Change we can believe in was the slogan I believe. What a crock of crap. I am so sick of people like you. Your kind are the one’s that would jump on the side of the communist Chinese or whoever else. Yes come on over we’ll help you over through our gov. types. I would love to see each and everyone of you along with Pelosi, Reed and Obama and staff tried for high treason. Anyone that condones this behavior is not a true american.

      • http://verizon kbab777

        Unfortunately the change “the anointed one meant” is the change you will have left is the change in your pocket.

      • American Citizen

        Another product of public education.

      • Mike

        Smoke another fatty, Joe!

      • bbstacker

        Ah, joey…what you heard was “hope ‘n change” what he meant and is delivering with all available speed is “Hoax and Chains”. Dude, you’re going to so get it, too. Just wait till they drive that VAT up/down your orifices. I hear 20%. Jack up the price of fuel, electricity, nat-gas and start banning coal, and you’ll be hoping for a bridge overpass to call your own. Thanks for the self-reliance you so perfectly portray!

    • JeffH

      SAN FRANCISCO, CA — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s approval rating among Californians is a measly 34 percent. Forty-four percent of the state’s voters disapprove of her performance. Her congress receives only 23 percent approval, while two thirds of California voters disapprove of their own delegation.

      • CJ

        San Diego CA. We in the state do not approve of Pelosi, but only San Francisco can remove her from office. Unlike Boxer, where all of us have a vote for her demise.

        • JeffH

          I’m in Fresno and I’ll do my part to end her reign of terror on California and ultimately The USA!
          I like to send her emails asking her to resign on a fairly regular basis. http://www.speaker.gov

          • eyeswideopen

            JeffH, terror on Ca and the country?? You sound like one of those militia men who were arrested today. Christian radicals. They were using Chritianity as an excuse to attack this country. Maybe you should move to Michigan, they have alot of those type of Militia’s according to the FBI.

          • JeffH

            …and you sound like the same friggin idiot that you always are.

          • JeffH

            …and of course you go in a direction that doesn’t even relate to my comments, like a crosseyed methmouthed moron.

          • JeffH

            Big mouthed “spin doctor” (thanks for that one blackhat)
            Why don’t you explain to me what your definition of “a militia member” is as I have never met one yet. Do you think that millions of dissenters are splitting up and forming these “militia” groups or could they just be isolated radicals groups? I live in a very conservative area and engage in very openminded conservative conversations but I haven’t seen, heard of or been approached by anyone to “join” forces with a “militia” groups or members.

          • JeffH

            Spin doctor Mouth, I’ll make it easy for you one more time;
            Terror may refer to:

            Fear, an emotional response to threats and danger
            As in Horror and terror, standard literary and psychological concepts, especially as applied to Gothic literature
            Terrorism, a policy or act intended to intimidate or cause terror, usually for the furtherance of ideological goals
            Reign of Terror (1793–1794) in France

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, there are 1700 radical groups who spew the same exact stuff that you do. You would fit right in with them. Smile, it won’t hurt you.

          • JeffH

            In your case it all in the eyes of the beholder…these “militias” are running rampant throughout America and in your certified mind.
            I’m sure the Feds got it under control. ya think?

          • JeffH

            …of course, anything to the right of the extreme left becomes a “radical group” to you…Twisted Sister.

          • JeffH

            Mouthy spin doctor…now’s your chance to be a snitch and turn all of us in to the big bag G men…take your best shot!

      • Smilee

        Want to bet on weather she wins reelection this fall, My bet is she wins

    • Les

      SF is a really liberal city in a really liberal state so she has a job for life. Think about this, why are the most liberal states the ones deepest in debt? The politicians keep buying votes long after the money has run out. CA is near bankrupt. After the election they will ask for your money and Obama will bail them with your money. So the CA politicians will keep right on buying votes this time with your money

  • David

    IMPEACH OBAMA!!! Sue the Congress. Get those Socialists/Progressives OUT OF OFFICE. Get them tied up in the legal system defending themselves. Tell their (Pelosi, Reid, etc) constituents what they’re really after, i.e. their freedoms, their rights, their money. Once these constituents are ‘beholden’ to these elistists, this Republic is FINISHED!!! Can you hear me now? Can you hear the death knell of democracy as it perishes on the altar of our indifference?
    If you can’t take action, you might as well move out of this former Great Nation. Wake Up Americans!!!! You have so little time.

    • Jeff Miller

      Unless we dump all incumbents in November we’re toast. In 1787 a great historian Alexandar Tyler said: “A democracy (republic) is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”

      “The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years . During those 200 years, these Nations always progressed through the following sequence:

      1. From bondage to spiritual faith;

      2. From spiritual faith to great courage;

      3. From courage to liberty;

      4. From liberty to abundance;

      5. From abundance to complacency;

      6. From complacency to apathy;

      7. From apathy to dependence;

      8. From dependence back into bondage

      We are in the apathy stage.

      • Hobart Smith

        Now, what?

        In spite of what the Republican Party and others would have us believe, we are not simply faced with a case of “Politics as usual”, or the natural ”swinging of the pendulum of power” from one party to the other. No, we have traveled far beyond that to a situation where the only real hope for a restoration of the foundational principles of liberty will require superhuman help, without which, we are destined for a dictatorship the likes of which will make Chavez and Castro proud to call Obama their friend.

        Did I say “superhuman”?

        Our help will come from the same source called upon by the Founders, who recognized that without the help and blessings of
        Almighty God, their efforts would be in vain, which is why they forged a system of government that would honor Him as Creator and Bestower of “unalienable” rights, and the One to Whom they would be answerable if they did otherwise. These were the principles upon which they were willing to sacrifice their “lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor”. I believe that without an effort on our part to effect a return to these principles, we cannot reasonably expect the help and blessing of that Source in our attempt to restore
        Constitutional Government.

        The mechanisms are still in place.
        We have a rapidly closing window of opportunity.

        It’s time to involve ourselves in the selection, vetting, and support of folks, who, regardless of party affiliation, understand the problem, recognize the necessity of restoration to the foundational principles, and will have the courage to stand for their convictions. A list of those candidates can be found in our “Reagan List” at http://www.aipnews.com.

        We have a good plan, and you’re a part of it. Go to the webpage, read the party platform and affiliation agreement, join us on our “America’s Summit” conference calls, and decide for yourself how you can be a part of securing the “blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity”.

        Hobie Smith

        OH@AIPNEWS.com

        513-839-0540

        • eyeswideopen

          Hobart, dude have you read the Constitution? It doesn’t mention God’s name at all. Not once. The amendents do not mention God’s, name either, however it does state that there will not be a national religion endorsed. Our founding fathers knew that radicals would try and hijack or distort laws , by trying to mandate a specific religion, so to protect us they didn’t even mention God, in the Constitution or Amendents. You can’t rewrite history, too many of us have learned it and understand that they were escaping from religious tryanny in England, and didn’t want this country to undergo religious strife.

        • eyeswideopen

          Hobart, you might want to look at this document signed in 1796.

          http://secular.embassyofheaven.com/usa/tripoli.htm

  • http://Itwasarepublic... Mike B.

    All you people want to support right wingers, go right on ahead. Don’t you remember who started all the wars and drove our economy in the ground. It was the republicans. Yes you saw right, republicans. They are the ones who are a danger to our society as a whole. Soon our social security will be defunct because the republicans were raiding it to pay their bills when they cut taxes to the wealthy. I remember when our economy was doing good and we had a surplus under democratic control when clinton was in.

    • TIME

      MikeB,
      In fact it SS was in a private trust until the 1960′s when a Democratic Congress placed the funds into a “Government run account,” not a Trust.
      At that point these funds were used to start many social programs, one you may know of is called Wellfair’s Public housing.

      By the time Carter took over SS was nearly empty. So based on facts of where the money is and where the money went your not quite on target.

      Who stated all the wars, ok lets see;
      WWI Woody Wislon Democrat, who by the way said prior to being ellected; We will not go to war.”

      WWII FDR and Democrat, who said we will not get entangled in the war.

      Korea, Democrat, who was that again?

      Nam, JFK, Democrat, We are only going to act as POLICE.

      Present day, Middle east was singed by all members of congress both sides under a GWB.

      So whats your point?

      • James Conley,Sr.

        Time; I must politely correct you!,True Some of the action was started
        under the watch of J.F.K.,But it was really L.B.J. A Democrat,Who really got the ball rolling on Viet Nam,But Yes You are correct on the issue of Who Did What,Look out Democrats..
        But The Issue of G.W.Bush and Iraq,Is Another Story,This Was an Unconstitutional Conflict.
        “W” Went to the U.N.Security Council and ask for their Blessings,Before He Took It To Congress,Told Congress He Had U,N,Aproval,Then he got Congressional Consent,This was an unconatitutional Move on his part,But We Paid for it in Lost lives,For What?,I Suspect,Revenge for the death threat on G.H.W.Bush.

        • Dale

          Where does it say in the Constitution that the US has to go to the UN to get permission for anything?????
          There were 17 UN resolutions condemning Iraq . . . Both Klintons, Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, Albright, Dodd and many other Dimmicraps said between 98 and 02 that Saddim had WMD’s . . . its in the records.
          Iraq worked out pretty good . . . now if the Chosen Won can duplicated those results with Afganistan and Iran . . .

          • Jana

            Dale,
            Exactly.
            I get so tired of hearing these claims that it was all Bush’s fault, when not only was our country backing this war, so were other countries.
            And we had some mighty important Democrats out there advocating we go into Iraq.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dale, our Constitution states that we will honor the treatries we sign. see link with info you need. http://untreaty.un.org/English/overview.asp

            We didn’t honor the Geneva treaty when we started torturing prisoners, but hey, at least we stopped.

      • Jana

        TIME,
        This is what has me concerned now. The Gov’t used up all of the SS money by putting it in the general fund, what will they do with the money they are going to start collecting for the four years before the Health Care fiasco comes to pass? They will put it into the general fund too and it will be gone poof, just like that. No one will know where the money went and it will all be Bush’s fault.

    • William Nealey

      mike b. you are a damned fool. every thing you claim the republicans did was done by the democrats.I suggest you check your history and facts befor you run off at the mouth. the democrats were in power when ww2 started I was on occupation duty in germany after the war. the democrats were in power when the korean war started I served in that. lbj started the vietnam war and stole the social security fund with the aid of the democrats to fund the vietnam war. yes its true Bush started the current war in retaliation for 911,

      • DaveH

        Don’t forget Clinton’s diversionary Bosnian War.

        • Leonard

          Diversionary Bosnian War? Mass genocides perpetrated by both the Serbs and the Croats? Mass graves of civilians murdered by the other side… the premeditated and systemic rape of thousands and thousands of women… the convictions of at least a dozen war criminals from all sides… and that’s what you consider a diversion? What more justification do you need for military action? Massive oil reserves? A family vendetta? Are you that deluded by hatred that you think that intervention in Bosnia was a diversion?

          • JeffH

            Leonard…hatred? The only ones that use that word are you libs…always making assumptions, aren’t you.

          • Leonard

            JeffH… the point of my post was that our involvement in the Bosnian War had a purpose, which was to stop genocide. Where I come from, an appropriate use of our military is to stop atrocities like genocide. Do you agree or disagree?

      • eyeswideopen
    • JuliBMe

      To be sure, both Republicans and Democrats are responsible for the collapse of our economy. However, you must look at the Community Reinvestment Act instituted by none other than Jimmy Carter and put on steroids by Bill Clinton and Janet Reno to see the actual cause of the mortgage industry collapse. The big banks were forced to lend to people they knew could not afford their homes. Barak Hussien Obama was a lawyer for ACORN and sued Citibank for so-called “red-lining”. Then, as is human and natural to do, the banks found a way to make money by bundling and selling off these bad loans. A perfect storm set off by Democrats and not fought against much by Republicans. However, as I understand it, Bill Clinton’s so-called surplus was tricky book-keeping counting the Social Security Trust Fund as part of his “surplus”.

      In more recent history, you must also look at who was making back room deals with American money to pass a bill that they hadn’t read and didn’t care would destroy the best medical system in the world. Who voted for it? Not Republicans. So, if you like the fictional facsist utopia, dream on buddy. You are deluding yourself that their ain’t evil in the White House right now. Good luck with your freedoms in the future. There ain’t going to be much!

      • blackhat

        Don’t forget that Clinton “claimed” one of the biggest cuts in federal employees…oh, yeah, he was the first to count military personnel cuts as “federal employees”.

        • Jana

          blackhat,
          He is still cutting federal employees only he is letting them get killed off in Afghanistan.

          Those 30,000 troops have not yet been deployed and they will not be deployed until this summer. Meanwhile we are losing our young men and women at an alarming rate over there. But, who cares about that? Certainly not Obama or any of the Socialists.

      • eyeswideopen

        Dude, before you try blaming everything on the dems, you should check out s.2733 sponsored by republican Donald Riegle, It was the mortgage reform act of 1992. Please read it prior to lambasting others. Donald was also part of the Keating Five, in the banking scandal during the 1980′s. That was when the repubs deregulated the Savings and Loans which cost us 128 billion dollars. RTC was the word of the day. We had just paid off that debacle, when in 1999 someone got the great idea to repeal the Glass-Stegal Act which had been controlling Wall Street. Let me see, 1999, republican control of both House and Senate.

        • blackhat

          eyes, you are the biggest hypocrite out here…as you well know I have no problem calling out Reps or Dems. The problem I have is that you and your ilk are the ones to brush over problems created by liberals and constantly bash conservatives. You, however, are a special case as you claim to be “wide open”. You are a liar. You should call yourself “spin doctor” instead.

          • blackhat

            And, btw, what are you fifteen? Don’t call me “dude”.

          • libertytrain

            blackhat – I agree the use of the word “dude” comes across very poorly by purported grown-ups that use it – kind of classless or kid-like verbiage.

        • Smilee

          Eyes,

          Do you remember what PaPa Bush said when he signed the Resolution Trust Corporation (RTC) into law. “Now I’ve created a Monster” Give him credit though in the endit solved the problem.

    • Les

      WW II, Korea, Nam The worse we have been in were by Democrats. Bush may have had billions in debt but instead of reversing that Obama is going for at least 1.5 TRILLION/ yr. as far as the eye can see, no nation can survive that.

    • s c

      Mikey, are you comfy with that view? After all these years, if you still see Bubba Clinton through rose-colored glasses, then you must be ecstatic with Obummer and his globe-hopping circus.
      The real enemy is in being comfortable with either major political party. Americans were told by the Founding Fathers (the guys you seem to hate) to SHUN political parties. You may be comfy with the ‘hope and change’ crowd, but you will be SCREWED, along with the rest of us.
      It’s probably too late for you to get re-educated, so I’ll try to appeal to whatever is left of your conscience. If you think for one second that Obummer is going to do ANYTHING good for America, then you’re a willing part of the problem, and you are as ‘valuable’ as the hordes of illegal aliens here. Use your head (if you can), wake up, or find another country, Mikey.

      • Joe

        Mikey,

        You are not alone. Clinton is the most popular living president according to recent polls. You are a part of the majority and most of these comments are coming from the minority, and they are angry about that.

        Tea Parties are still small gatherings and will never see the kinds of crowds that Obama was able to assemble during his campaign because again you are a part of the majority and that is democracy at work.

        Have a great day.

        • Les

          A silver tongue has led the masses over a clift many times before. Hitler had the military destroy records of his past because what he had to hide, Obama used a $ 1 M worth of lawyers to hide his past records because what he had to hide. If Castro had been a Capitalist instead of a Communist then Cuba would have had the prosperity of S. Korea instead of poverty with people trying to escape.

          • John

            hmmmmm I seem to remember something about GWB being accused of falsifying his separation papers from the reserves….
            He was being accused of going AWOL, even his commander claimed he never met or even saw GWB and no paper were on file. But after the scandal broke, some papers appeared from no where.

      • JeffH

        s c, tell it like it is…they’ve made their deals with the devil and they’ll have to suffer when their number is called.

      • American Citizen

        Those who voted for Obama are what Obama and his ilk call “useful idiots”.

        • John

          Funny I thought that was what they called Beck and Limbaugh listeners….

          • Jana

            John,
            See, that’s what you get for thinking.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Mike B…
      You are only partially right. Every, and I do mean every President has done something during their term of office that was not in the best interest of the nation. And many times it was because Congress was filled with the majority of the opposing party.
      The problem with the current administration is blaming everything that is wrong on the Bush administration and knowing that our country was headed in the wrong direction of excessive debt, continues to spend and spend. And… not listening to the voice of the American people is despicable! Taking away our freedoms and not adhering to the Constitution is not what the United States is all about!

      • James Conley,Sr.

        Robin of arcadia;You Tell them,But let me put my pennys worth in.
        Face the facts Folks!!,Both the Democrats And The Republicans Are to Blame,For What is going on in Our Great Nation,I made a lot of mistakes myself,But I Am trying the best I can to Correct,My Mistakes..
        I Voted for J.F.K,A Democrat and I Voted for L.B.J.(my first BIG mistake)Then I realized They Both were Not On the side of the Working Class”Of Which I am Proud to be a Member”.
        Big Mistake # 2-I Voted for Richard M,Nixon,Who really socked it to U.S.,When He Discontinued The Silver Requirement for our Monotary System,(Which really Made our Money WORTHLESS).
        So realizing My Mistake I Did not TRUST the Democrats or The Republicans,Anymore,So I Suppose I Became an Independent,I Voted For
        The Former Govoner of Alabama,George”GOD HELP ME”I cannot remember his last name,But The Establishment took him OUT of the RACE.
        But I Finally realized after all ” I Am A Constitutionalist”So I Began Praying For a “Constitutional Party”Then along came Congressman
        Ron Paul,And I was going To Vote for Him in 2008,But He was Ignored By The PRESS,and most people Never Got to understand or know what he was about.
        So He Pulled Out,And At the last minute along came theCONSTITUTIONAL PARTY” With Chuck Baldwin,Running for President.I Knew The chances of him was Nile To None,That he could Win,But I Voted for Him Anyway.
        Of Course Here was obama”promising Change”,But Not saying what he would change,or,How Much It Would COST,So I Would not Vote for Him on a BET.And ofcourse He was a first term member of the senate,Who only had spent some total 143 Hours in the senate,No Experience,And this job as President is not a job for “on The Job Training”.NOT SOMEONE I WANTED IN THE WHITEHOUSE”And We will not get into The Requirement of the “CONSTITUTIONAL Requirement” of Citizenship.McCain was investigated by the Senate for his citizenship,But not obama!He hot a FREE PASS,WHY?.I Said it then and I say it now,He was a Plant by the
        “POWERS THAT BE”ie,The”Council on foreigin Relations”on Orders from the Bildebergers.He has a job to do,And the Democrats and Republicans
        Are on board,So I Will Vote for Chuck Baldwin And the Constitutional Party again next election.A New Party To Challenge the Status Quo.
        So ALL YOU DIE HARD DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS<CONTINUE ON WITH THE SAME AS USUAL,BUT I will die trying to get our Nation Back The only way I Know How,SHAME ON ME,I VOTE "CONSTITUTION"ANYTIME….

        • JeffH

          James Conley,Sr., you should read this…eyes will open.
          http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/behind_barack_obama_188.html

        • Mike

          James, Bullseye! This venue is great, but so many of you are blind to the fact that BOTH parties have done this, and congress is bought! So, keep on crying about the fall of our Repulic, while drinking your Coors Light, and the awaken will save you with corrective action! Wake up, America!

          • Jana

            Mike,
            Yes, we are aware that it is both parties. If you would read other issues on this site you will see that we are aware of it. What we are trying to do is figure out how to move forward and stop this repeating of these age old problems. Right now we have a dangerous problem in the White House called Obama.

          • Mike

            Jana, I’m here every week, and respond quite often! Let’s move forward! We hang together or hang seperately! I know, the Libs are like a grandma with Alzheimers, but to just keep defending the Cons is ridiculous! So, enough with the he said she said! Times a running out! Focus on turning the ship around! Good day!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Jana, yes we do have a serious problem in the White House, but we need figure out what to do peacefully. Every one we talk is just in runnin’ on nerves about this.

          • Jana

            Mike, Thanks, I will have a great day.
            By the way, I was agreeing with you.

        • Les

          George Wallace

      • eyeswideopen

        Robin, world economists agree when you are faced with a depression and no one is spending, the government has to spend. Did you want another depression? We are lucky to have survived this mess that Wall Street put us in.

        • blackhat

          What “world economists”? The ones that have led Europe into more debt than is sustainable? Maybe Greek economists? How about Russian economists? Oh, I know, Chinese economists!

    • AttilaTheHun

      Others have already talked to the obvious point about who was in office when wars were started, although I believe the Vietnam war’s origins can be traced to the Eisenhower administration, even though JFK and LBJ exploded the scope exponentially.

      The financial history hasn’t been addressed. The underlying problem is that the government spends more than it takes in. LBJ was doing it to pay for the Great Society and Vietnam war. The rest of the world got wise and demanded to be paid in gold rather than dollars.

      Nixon then took us off of the gold standard. Without the fiscal restrain of the gold standard we had the inflation of the ’70s.

      When Volcker took over the Fed in ’79 and put the brakes on the money supply, the cash had to come from somewhere else, so we borrowed money and the national debt skyrocketed under Regan.

      Clinton decimated the military (peace dividend), which is where the budget surplus came from. This was unsustainable. National defense *IS* one of the most important jobs the federal government has – we can’t let that go, so the surplus was never real.

      Bush reinstated military spending, so the debt increased again. Remember, the Democrats took control of Congress in 2006 and spending has increased rapidly since then. The Republicans were no prize, but the Democrats showed them how to REALLY spend money.

      What can I say about Obama’s spending habits that hasn’t already been said?

      The common thread here is government spending more than it takes in. This is the culprit, whether or not it shows up as debt or inflation.

    • Richard

      The absolute ignorant thing for anyone to do is get entangled in the democrat vs. republican debate. The real truth is that the liberal progressive movement for the past 120 years have been to destroy the Republic with every maxist, socialistic, Godless program it can think of. Mike, I challenge you to tell us of ONE government program that has EVER worked to make this country better. And don’t rty claiming Social Security because all it has ever done well is write checks, but when you are 2.5 trillion in debt due to the fact that progressives of both parties have wasted it…that’s a failed program. Saying someone has a beautifully decorated home is not a success story if they had to file bankruptcy because they couldn’t pay for it. Loose the dem vs. rep arguement or you will wake up some day and find you have lost something more precious….FREEDOM.

      • American Citizen

        Our founding fathers knew the pitfalls as they said, “We have given you a Republic if you can keep it.”

      • JeffH

        Well said and I’ll add that liberals constantly mistake and assume the conservative to be a Republican.

        • John

          and most conservatives assume that anyone that does not agree with them 100% are liberal socialists…..

          • Jana

            John,
            That isn’t true.
            I don’t agree with my husband all of the time either, and I love him.

            However, when you have someone come on and post derogatory statements, and try to put down what we do believe in, and try to put down those we listen to, and brag and say “We won, you lost so get over it.”, well, then you have a fight on your hands.

            Actually I have learned a lot from these posts and some of these leftists do have valid points, but when they come across badly then I will not admit to them they do have any good points.

            We all have the right to our opinion, and most of us want what’s best for America, but we need to knock off the sarcasm and blend and compromise on these ideas. You know like the Democrats didn’t do on the Health Care Bill.

            However, I will give as good as I get.

          • JeffH

            …but most don’t assume you are a Democrat, do they?

          • John

            Jana
            You have a short memory. For the whole time frame 2000-2008 anyone with a dissenting opinion heard “We won, you lost so get over it.”
            Anyone who even QUESTIONED Bush’s rush to war, was called an un-American turn coat. Even though anyone with half a brain knew the claim “Saddam Husein has weapons of mass destruction – and we know where they are” was a lie for weak minded. Look where the last 8 years got us, 6 trillion deeper in debt, two unjustified wars that there is still no way out of and a banking crisis caused by conservative deregulation.

            As far as compromise, republicans would not even talk health-care. They were more interested in making Obama fail than worrying about what was right for the country.

          • Jana

            John, I don’t have a short memory. HOWEVER,YOU have a selective memory.
            I had some loved ones over in Iraq. I did not mind dissenting opinions, but what I did mind GREATLY was when people did not support our guys over there. You used the terminology in YOUR dissent that supported the enemy, and did not uplift our soldiers. There is a vast difference. So YES, I call that un American. You can dissent without doing harm. Cowards like you do harm because that’s all you do is flap your jaws.

            And your point about anyone with half a brain theory was Hillary Clinton, Pres. Clinton, Al Gore, Kerry, Kennedy, in other words most of the Democrats. By the way, for your smart alec information the terrorists did train there in Iraq. They did at one point have WMD’s. They sold their uranium supply two years ago to Canada. Some of the very training camps that the Iraqi police were training in were the same camps the terrorists trained in.

            You think you are so smart, but you are NOT.

            Your banking crisis was caused by Congress stating that the banks had to lend to anyone who wanted to buy a house even if they couldn’t afford it. Bush tried to address this but was stopped by powerful Democrats.

            By the way, they had many derogatory comments and names about Bush. Besides that, I wrote many letters myself to Bush and my Congressmen complaining about things I did not agree with in his administration. So don’t lecture me bub.

            Again, you are deaf and blind because the Republicans were kept out of the loop as far as even being able to discuss the health care fiasco.

            You need to get your facts straight little boy.

          • eyeswideopen

            Jana, you are really missing the boat. By the time Bush yelled uncle, it was already too late. This didn’t happen in one year sweetie. Do you think the entire world who bases their markets on ours would have agreed to be put in such a desperate situation? Credit defaults were conceived here, the illegal ratings were done here, the illegal accounting practices were done by our Wall Street Banks not foreign ones. We and our non enforcement of regulations caused this mess. If you paid attention, all the other countries have now made regulations to prevent the same thing from happening,,,, but have we??? NO, NO, NO, we haven’t, because the repubs don’t want any regulation of the banking industry….this will be another hard fight to get you people to agree that regulations are needed to prevent abuse of the system.
            Why can’t you be on middle class Americas side for once, instead of the big corporations??

          • blackhat

            Once again, eyes, you misrepresent. I do not recall Bush calling uncle to anyone. I do recall Kerry telling the enemy that I was killing innocents. I do recall Obama telling the enemy that I was air raiding villages…etc…etc…Tell the truth for once you loser. The surge was successful in Iraq, we held the enemy at bay in Afghanistan and have turned the tables on a very slippery enemy. My brothers and sisters in arms have sacrificed for a ligitimate cause. They have been and will continue to be victorious on any battlefield. We will defend this nation, in spite of the current leadership that is determined to “reform America”. So, take a hike you Taliban supporting commie.

          • John

            Jana,

            And everything you read is filtered by your mind set.

            What Comment did I make that supported our enemy? That Bush lied us into a war? The only hard piece of evidence that he had, was the aluminum tubes that he claimed “could only be used to enrich uranium” IN SPITE OF the fact that the NRC and DOD scientists told him that they were not suitable for that purpose. Hans Blix said the inspectors in Iraq had unprecedented access to anything they wanted to look at. Scot Ritter, the first inspector said he was sure that they had destroyed 100% of Iraq WMD manufacturing ability and at least 95% of the weapons. Yet Bush did not listen to any dissenting opinions. Did all of those democrats go along – sure – Bush had convinced about 80% of the country he was right, it would have been political suicide to vote against him.
            By the way, and I use a quote from a republican congressman about Clinton’s war “I support the troops but the president”.
            Please supply proof of your claim that Iraq just sold their uranium – I never heard that.

            Banking crisis – Please do some actual research. If you want to blame it on a democrat blame it on Clinton when he repealed Glass Seagal. However, as conservatives like to point out, CONGRESS makes the laws not the president, it was a republican congress that handed Clinton a bill to deregulate the banks, which he signed in 1999. The next big problem was George Bush’s “ownership Society” He twisted banks arms, to give out risky loans to make his program succeed. You NEVER even heard of a “ZERO DOWN” loan before George Bush!!!

            Republicans came up with some band-aid fixes that did not address the healthcare problem, just so they could say they had something. The vote speaks louder than anything – not a single republican. They only want to see Obama fail – to hell with what’s best for the country.

            Man you must be an O-O-L-L-D-D biddy if I’m a little boy—LOL.

    • Hello?

      Mike B, I really feel sorry for you and I feel sorry for the rest of us because you can vote. Remember the Titanic , those people trusted a few ignorants with their lives also and look what happened. Do you know that the wealthy in this country furnush 80% of the jobs, every tax burden that you put on the corporations is company’s moving to foreign countrys? Have you ever worked for a poor man? Did you see on the news that ITT and John Deere is going to lay off thousands to compensate for the health care burden that these Socialists are forcing on them. If you would shake some of the sawdust out of your head , you coud see the brick wall that you are about to hit head on . I bet that you did not know that The Clinton’s balanced the budget with all the Federal Tobacco law suits, the government got billions from this. Give credit where credit is due. By the way, your president Kennedy put us in the Vietnam war full force and all the lives were lost for nothing and this was a political war because we could have won the war in twenty four hours if there was any leadership. What if someone told you that you had to give half of your property to someone poor that is able but does not work and they were going to make you go to work everyday and help pay for them a new house on your property. I guess you would love it , The corporations feel the same way. Don’t know if you have a dog or not but if he bit you everytime that you fed him, then after a while you would quit feeding him and he would eventually starve and die. Put yourself in the dogs place and I suspect that you are. Every burden that the government places on big business the little people suffer. We just need to vote in a pro-constitunal president whatever the name on the door may be but it just may be too late with all the voters with your mentality. I am sure that I have wasted my time stating these words but I have to try.

      • JeffH

        Hello? Those that push for this socialism have but one ear, and it is turned to the Marxist President Obama. Hope and change, free to the weak and poor at the cost of “Freedom for us all. Most of us realize that nothing in life is free and honest hard work can be very rewarding.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          JeffH, our kids are in there late 20′s, we’ve been blessed, enough that that heard us and practice the value of hard work, but I see and know so many kids 20-30 year olds that just suck the life’s blood out of entitlements__I blame a lot of it on, the break down of the family. If they’re not getting valuable info at home, then they’ll take and use any information they can get.__All of our problems I don’t believe are caused by Government, the people have to be willing to be lead too___like sheep.__It’s a vicious circle, That Governmnet feed on though.

    • Greg M.

      Rob,

      You are sadly mistaken and ecomomically ignorant as to the cause of our economic decline. The Clinton Administration dusting off the Community Re-Investment Act of Jimmy Carter, and the Attorney General (Janet Reno) threatening the big lenders with IRS harrasment if they did not make these riciculous loans that lead to the housing bubble that took 8 years to pop. In 1991 it was standard that your income had to be able to support the loan and the down payment was a minimum of 10%. Yes the Republicans forgot their basic principals and participated in continuing these Marxist ideas with the Medicare Drug Benefits. Lyndon Johnson started the practice of spending the monies in the Social Security Trust Fund as if it was gerneral revenue. The creation of Medicare began the higher than normal inflationary rate of medical care costs that continue to this day. We cannot continue to take from those that have and give it to those that don’t forever. Eventually the well will run dry. Had not Jimmy Carter increased the F.I.C.A. saying that the baby boom generation had to make a larger contribution because there would not be enough workers to support their benefits, while continuing the habit of using that money to furhter deficit spending, we would not be in the situation we are in now. In order to get the increases neccessary to inprove our National Defense Ronald Regan went along with Tip O’Neil and increased F.I.C.A. again. Social Security is now sending out more than it takes in. This originally was progejected by the CBO during the eighties to not happen until 2030 or so, and revised in the nineties to 2017 or so. So much for Government run anything. Now if the truly conservative ideas of individual responsibility were allowed to work, We could have Medical Savings Accounts, Retirement Savings Accounts that would not be taxed. By the way do you like paying taxes on your F.I.C.A. Welfare donations. I don’t. Get ready for the Revolution. Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death. I am investing in ammunition and books. Something you may try reading someday to get your facts straight. You won’t be getting a donation from me for much longer.

      • John

        Greg,
        I hate to point this out but sad to say it is you that “are sadly mistaken and economically ignorant as to the cause of our economic decline.”

        http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/community_reinv.html

        Fresh off the false and politicized attack on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, today we’re hearing the know-nothings blame the subprime crisis on the Community Reinvestment Act — a 30-year-old law that was actually weakened by the Bush administration just as the worst lending wave began. This is even more ridiculous than blaming Freddie and Fannie.

        http://www.newsweek.com/id/163451

        Actually it Was Bush’s “ownership society program” and the arm twisting he used to make it work that allowed the first of zero down loans….

        • blackhat

          Wait, wait, wait…so, if I make a loan to someone I know cannot make the payments, that’s good business? Hmmmm…remind me not to go to your economics school.

    • http://verizon kbab777

      What would you have had us do, huddle until they killed the rest of us off?

      • http://verizon kbab777

        This post was supposed to have gone under Mike B at 6:33 am it some went to the wrong blogger.

    • http://verizon kbab777

      Mike B 6:30 am what would you have had us do huddle and wait for them to kill the rest of us off?????????????

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      Well son you’d better kiss that goodbye!

    • CJ

      Son, back to the history books. You have it all backward. I’ve been around for all but WWI; meaning I know first hand.

    • Delores Smith

      Mike,
      Don’t tell me. Let me guess. Both of your parents were Democrats. Right?
      Delores109@cox.net

  • http://tlawless100@gmail.com Thomas Morgan

    History has a way of repeating itself folks. We The People have been woken up, and I might add it’s about time. I think Margaret Thatcher said it best “The problem with socialism is, is eventually they run out of other peoples money” Don’t give up, they have been exposed and that’s when they are most dangerous!

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      T. MORGAN, sadly that seems to be the ways of things, we don’t wake up until it’s practically to late_I keep Pray ing we’re not too late_ but I’m not sure what kind of damage the Liberals are going to do, until November.

  • Barbara

    Take a look at Scarlet and the Beast to see the depth of the
    power behind the power to know who we are fighting and how
    long they have labored to set up the situation today. It is
    the masons and all of their fellow travelers. Let us look
    at who and why they have undermined the republic which God
    gave us.

  • Dave

    The entire notion of Obama even considering martial law was made up to get people riled up. It’s arguments like that which cause intelligent people to ignore anything else you have to say. Sticking to absolute pure capitalism is not what a Republic is comprised of. The numbers that are thrown around about how many people opposed the health insurance bill ae misleading too because a significant percentage of people opposed to passage were opposed because they didn’t think it went far enough and they wanted a public option. I have
    more to say but I know that those who disagree will probably stop reading. I just want to say that we shouldn’t thrive off of fear but have hope.

    • William Nealey

      Dave you are partialy correct. there should have been a proviso for TORT reform to slow down ambulance chasers. but most politicians were lawyers so forget about tort reform,

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        Hell yes, tort reform would take money out of the lawyers pockets!

    • AttilaTheHun

      The REAL problem with “health care reform” is that they’re not doing ANYTHING to control costs. You can say that you’re going to cut this cost or that cost, but it does nothing without incentives. (As an aside, if there is $500 billion that can be saved in Medicare reform, then why did anybody wait a single day to start? That’s $1.4 billion a day – why wait?)

      Real cost control comes from having individuals more intimately connected to the financing. Almost all of the cost control issue could be covered by transferring the tax deduction for medical expenses from corporations to individuals. This means that your W-2 form would show the cost of your health insurance. However, you’d get a tax deduction for it, so this would be tax-neutral for people and corporations.

      This would allow individuals to purchase medical insurance on the same footing as corporations. The insurance companies would then start to market to individuals more heavily. Over time, corporations would get out of the health care business because there’s no reason for them to be in it. This would save some administrative expenses.

      Next, people would purchase *routine* medical care directly from doctors/hospitals, because there is no advantage in using a middle man for routine expenses (you don’t use a middle man for gas for your car or groceries and that works just fine). This is where the real cost savings come in. Now you’d be paying for health care out of pocket with the money that otherwise would have gone to a company’s health insurance. You now have an incentive to ask “Is this test necessary? How will doing this (whatever this is) change the result? How much will it cost?” This is where we’d get real savings.

      Medical insurance would then become insurance – pooling of risk for catastrophic events, rather than a vehicle to capitalize on a tax deduction. The insurance would be portable because you’d own the policy. Risk pools would be established for higher risk cases like preexisting conditions. There’d still be a problem with tort reform, but that’s a different issue.

      I have not seen anything in Obamacare that would actually save any money.

      • John

        Right now if an illegal alien with no medical insurance, goes to the emergency room for a bad case of flu, by law they can not be turned away. If there was some way of them seeing a doctor instead, is there money to be saved?

        If there were more doctors that practiced preventative medicine instead of running tests only performed by specialists, is there money to be saved.

        Yes we need tort reform, the only people making money off of the system are the lawyers. The old lady that burned herself at McDonald’s is a prime example. She won something like 6 million, but by the second or third appeal from McDonald’s, she settled for an undisclosed amount estimated to be around 100K. She did not make out, but the lawyers did….

        We need healthcare reform, but I do not know what is actually in this bill just passed.

        • Jana

          John,
          What I am worried about is what they are going to do with the money they collect for the four years prior to implementing this fiasco? They put the Social Security money in the general fund, and spent it. Now it is bankrupt. Will they do the same thing with this money too? My guess is that is exactly what they will do, spend it up and we will be in even worse financial condition. And, they will try to find a way to blame Bush for this problem too.

        • American Citizen

          No matter what anybody says, we are going to have rationed health care as thousands of doctors are threatening to close their practices if this bill gets enacted. The medical schools limit the number of students and that does not come close to the need now. I hope the Attorney Generals of those states that are going to sue all the way to the Supreme Court are successful in getting it repealed. Judge Napolitano says they have a good case.

    • Mike

      Forget “hope”, I’m with INTENT!

  • http://GMAIL BILL WALSH

    LOCK AND LOAD!

    • American liberal

      What’s ” Lock n’ load” supposed to mean?… Just another empty threat and slogan Americas Not so bright have adopted….

      • JC

        It means keep your guns at the ready. There are those among us that feel we should defend America from enemies foreign and domestic.
        That seems to include you American Communist.

        • Tazio2013

          Just as the discussion was becoming intelligent we hear from one of those moronic, palin/beck-idolizing tea baggers. JC, you should re-read today’s article and BL’s march 1st article: “How does the 1 percent Control the 99 percent”, then think before you write and maybe you’ll not be viewed as a simpleton. And if you’re truly interested in educating yourself, read “The Daily Bell and the writings of Ron Paul. Looking forward to your response.

          • J C

            Way ahead of you. And did you have a different version of the term Lock n Load…because that is the question I was answering. Have a simple day yourself.

          • Jana

            JC,
            But I still liked what you told the American Communist. Poor thing, probably scared him. hahahah

        • American liberal

          I hope homeland security is watching you very close….next..” We the people ” voting President Obama into office and what youre saying is you want to takeout the elected goverment by force…… Next.. If any administration this countrys ever had that was close communist or fascist it was the last republican administration…if the patriot act isn’t socialism and fascist I don’t know that is…you people better realize your a very small minority opinion in this country..you’re Timothy McVeigh types… Nothing more.. You’re domestic terrorist and should be treated as such…. You’re neither patriotic or religious .. Your nutcases and goverment haters…except when theirs a neo conservative administration you become silent about goverment excess… Theirs nothing at all communistic about the healthcare bill..the healthcare bill was something President Obama ran on and better than 75% think our healthcare system needed reform… And if the single payer option was in the bill your see the approval back in the high 70′s where it was last fall…your an anarchist… not a patriot….and deserve the same fate McVeigh suffered… I saw in thisornibgs news where 1 of your rightwing Christian hate groups was raided and it’s members arrested and out behind bars where they belong…so if you want to keep up the Lock N’ load nonsense you just might find yourself behind bars or recieving that lethal Injection your asking for…. Our society has laws and rules… Follow them like the rest of us or get what you ask for

          • JeffH

            Well wannabe American but a stinkin liberal, yes 75% wanted reform but you fail to mention that this bill reforms nothing that controls the cost of health care that would make it affordable, 1/6th of the economy controlled by those that can’t controll themselves. To believe otherwise is naive on your part, although, being a stinkin liberal explains your support for the downfall of our republic.

          • Airangel

            Am Lib, go take some more Big Pharma drugs to sedate you…all the rules and regs being shoved down our throats is going to become too much to stomach and then a few words on here will seem “child’s play” compared to what will eventually break-out…just wait! Did you know they are training thousands of Russian military on our soil in case of such an event because they know these trained “guns for hire” will have no problem killing American’s fighting for their Freedom. They actually anticipate it. Did you also know Obama has had food vouchers and fuel vouchers made up for when he does take this country over and the dollar has no value. He wants to be the Roman Czar an ALL of us be at his mercy or else!

          • J C

            American Communist. I’m sure there are a great many police and quasi police agancies watching sites like these. But fear not good trotskite! They are sworn to uphold the Constitution, so when we’re talking about doing the same thing, we’re on their side as they are. See how that works?

        • Jana

          JC,

          You are too funny.

          But he is right. In the military and in the police dept. etc, that is exactly what it means. However, it can also mean mentally be prepared for what is coming at us. Arm ourselves with facts and truth.
          Truth happens to be a potent weapon.

          We also need to arm ourselves with knowledge. Knowledge of what the enemies of this country are using against us, and knowledge of what is true and what is in our Constitution and what our rights are, so we can know how to stand up against these attacks.

          • Jana

            This was supposed to go up under LOCK and LOAD comments.

          • JC

            jana I agree whole heartedly with your input. Information is a potent weapon, political will is a potent weapon. Violence can only be condoned in the natural occurence of defending your own or the lives of your family. Otherwise I do not advocate violence.

          • Jana

            JC,
            But I still liked the answer you gave to the American Communist. Probably scared him really bad, poor thing. hahahaha

        • eyeswideopen

          JC, well some of your militia types in Arizona, took their president at her word, when she said lock and load, and they went to border with many, many guns. She realized that they didn’t understand a metaphor and has now disbanded the organization. Apparently some of the radicals think that using the words: terror, kill, knock off, enemies, take aim, up in arms, death to the socialists, blood running in the streets, etc… should be taken literally. I give her credit for pulling the plug. She realized that they were out of control.

      • loulou

        It is a call to arms, duh. It’s a call to courage. It means if you don’t like whats going on, lets band together and do something about it. Like our forefathers did. Don’t hassle for that saying – what? you thought he meant shoot something? Don’t be hateful.

      • http://ppastoret@q.com Phil Pastoret

        Lock and load means our sights are firmly planted on your liberal ass. We will get most of them (you) out of Congress and the Senate and start putting the country back together. You can sit at a table in your local malt shop sharing a coke with your liberal boyfriend and watch it all happen. No amount of political correctness can or will stop it.

      • http://ppastoret@q.com Phil Pastoret

        Here’s the complete termenology. Lock and load. Ready on the right? Ready on the (left)? Fire for effect!!

        • American liberal

          Phil…. You want to overthrow out lawfully elected goverment huh?…they are arresting traitors like you… They raided a rightwing Christian nutcase group today that threatened our goverment… I hope they come see you and lock you up..

          • Jana

            American Lib.
            I am repeating an earlier comment for your edification.

            In the military and in the police dept. etc, it means have your weapons ready to use. However, it can also mean mentally be prepared for what is coming at us. Arm ourselves with facts and truth.
            Truth happens to be a very potent weapon.

            We also need to arm ourselves with knowledge. Knowledge of what the enemies of this country are using against us, and knowledge of what is true and what is in our Constitution and what our rights are, so we can know how to stand up against these attacks.

          • JC

            AL, you missed your calling. You would have made a damned fine Nazi.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Phil, don’t let AM throw ya, he’s a libby and likes to push comservative buttons and cause problems, he doesn’t really care what you think!__I found that out!

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        IDIOT!

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          IDIOT WAS MEANT FOR AM!

      • CJ

        “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” Thomas Jefferson —- Not one any would call ignorant, uneduc

        • CJ

          Oops, hit return. Re. T.J. NOT uneducated. He is considered the most intelligent President this country has elected. Will remain the same over Obama. Thomas Jefferson also stated “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants”.

  • http://militaryice.com John

    The real question is who will uphold the Constitution and enforce the protections it provides from governmental over reach? The President isn’t going to do it, and it doesn’t seem to matter anymore whether a Democrat or Republican is holding the office. It should be clear to all by now that Barack Obama intends to “transform America” into a European style socialist state, but that would not have been possible had the ground work been laid by George Bush. The Congress doesn’t seem concerned by Constitutional constraints as they relentlessly press on with “health care reform”, cap and trade, immigration reform and other legislation that will drive the remnants of the Constitution into oblivion. The Courts are the final check, and given the political makeup of the federal court system it is doubtful much protection will be found there. The Supreme court typically rules 5 to 4 on most cases, a scary proposition at best. No, the 3 branches of government have not, and will not protect the Constitution. Only We the People can do that job. The Founders provided the mechanisms to uphold Constitutional protections, ELECTIONS! Unfortunately We the People have become so ill informed and complacent that we elect, or rather allow the election of representatives, senators and presidents that DO NOT UPHOLD the very Constitution they took an oath to protect. If our Constitution, and our personal liberties are to survive, we must take it upon ourselves to become truly informed and then to educate our family, friends, neighbors and coworkers. It’s hard work but if We the People are not willing to make this commitment then be prepared to loose it all – it’s your choice.

  • Mark from Baton Rouge

    Time for impeachments?

    • Mike

      Obamacrimes.com

  • Rob

    Well surely America is under attack on all fronts.
    But we cannot simply point our fingers at the Democrats and blame them for everything.
    I ask what led to this mess in the first place?

    To simply get the progressives off our back is a step in the right direction, but does not fix all our problems. Republican supported deregulation opened the door to the massive scam that was Enron. Deregulation opened the door to the Wall Street Banksters that used their organizations as vehicles of destruction. These Banksters partied till they puked, then these ultra capitalists, in completely hypocritical fashion, went crawling to the Federal government, asking for their “Fair Share” of corporate welfare in the form of Treasury looting bailouts. It was the largest welfare payment ever seen.

    They wanted money for failure. Is this what we were taught? Is that how capitalism works? Rewards for failure? it was just so UN American.

    If we give Obama and company the boot, are our problems solved?
    Flush with bailout money, and reloaded, will the Wall Street banksters and every other abusive corp exe, that sees his company as merely a tool of abuse, regroup and commit another massive raid?

    Is it not enough to run a company well and draw a good salary?
    No, its no longer enough for them. All money gets drawn to the top, and siphoned off. Its abusive, and I for one, do not wish to pay for it.

    What we have here is capitalistic anarchy.

    Americans are a freedom loving people. We love freedom. We like to advance freedom, but we understand there are limits to freedom. The best way to enjoy freedom is within a framework of laws that guarantee freedom for everyone.

    Without that framework of laws, we have anarchy. Anarchy is total freedom. And with that total freedom, the strong will gain more and more of it, and they will do it at the expense of the weaker ones, leaving the weaker ones with no freedom. So we understand there needs to be limits.

    What we have going on in corporate America and the financial world, is much closer to anarchy today, than it ever was. Deregulation removed many of the laws that either held these sociopaths in check, or threw them in jail.

    Getting rid of the Progressives that would have us believe that these abuses are proof that capitalism doesn’t work is a step in the right direction. You don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
    But we need to put regulation back in place, and limit the sociopathic behavior that is destroying America, so that real capitalism can work for everyone.

    I would not rely on Republicans to implement new regulation. And so far, the Democrats have done nothing.

    So where does that leave us?

    In Michael Moore’s film, Capitalism A Love Story, Mr Moore gives example after example of the kind of abuses that have gone on in our capitalistic system over the last several decades. Mr Moore states in his conclusion, “You cannot regulate evil, you must stamp it out.” Equating our capitalistic system with evil and hinting at another, better system. Socialism perhaps?

    But I couldn’t disagree more.

    You cannot stamp out evil. History has given example after example that evil resides in man, not man’s system of government or economics. If evil didn’t exist, then any system would work, even communism. Communism fails, because it does not take into account the sometimes evil nature of man. Communist and socialistic systems concentrate the power in the hands of a few, and in those systems, evil and corruption are much, much harder to root out.

    No, our capitalistic system is the best ever.
    But we cannot have capitalistic anarchy. Mafia style capitalism does not work either. We need regulation to hold the corrupt in check, and ensure capitalistic freedom for all. . Both parties in Washington, are bought off, and corrupted. Even the liberal/socialistic Messiah, Barak Obama, is proving to be totally ineffective at implementing real solutions.

    My point is Washington is dancing all around the problem, but not fixing. The Democrats are taking advantage of this crisis to further their own agenda, they are not fixing the problem. The Republicans sat back, bought off and paid for, and did nothing as the problem festered.

    We cannot rely on either party to end our problems. Both parties, are corrupted.

    This recession will not end. The underlying problems are not being addressed.

    Currency killing borrowing and spending by BOTH parties is continuing unabated dispite warnings from Moodys.

    Trade deficits not fixed. Trade deficits benefit no one in the long run.

    The outsourcing of jobs and entire industries to overseas labor markets, not being addressed.

    Crushing consumer debt that turns consumers into slaves is killing any hope of economic recovery. Debt = Death.
    Wages have roughly doubled since the 1980′s but all our largest expenses have tripled or quadrupled. We are spending much more of our monthly incomes on housing, transportation, utilities and health care than ever before. This is leaving Americans with very little left over at the end of the month. Thats hurting businesses a lot.
    There will be no economic recovery until these problems are seriously addressed.

    Washington has failed us. Democrats and Republicans have failed us.

    Its time to look for alternative leadership and stop going around in circles voting in the other party just to see if they will finally do something, and not screw us again.

    We need to put real Americans in office, and stop voting for these sell outs, and the parties that support them.

    • blackhat

      You lost me when you mentioned Moore….

      • Rob

        So you hear one name you don’t like…
        And what?
        Reject the whole thing? A kneejerk reaction?

        What did you miss?

        My point to the many Democrates/Obama supporters, that socialism is not the answer?

        That instead, regulation is needed to stop the wild west environment of corp America?

        • AttilaTheHun

          I’m not a fan of Moore, either, but that doesn’t diminish the validity of anything you’ve said. I’d like to add that one of the largest problems is the use of government regulation as club against competitors.

          This is everywhere, such as companies like GE pushing to use compact fluorescent lights (which they make) to bludgeon makers of incandescent lights or license requirements for people braiding hair to keep competition out.

          Using the government to coerce competitors is often confused with regulation issues.

        • Bill Miller

          Rob, the Democrats forced the de-regulation of banking in the guise of compassion when President Jimmy Carter signed into law (the rest will be a quote from the Boston Globe) “‘the Community Reinvestment Act,’ empowering regulators to punish banks that failed to ‘meet the credit needs’ of ‘low-income, minority, and distressed neighborhoods.’ Lenders responded by loosening their underwriting standards and making increasingly shoddy loans. The two government-chartered mortgage finance firms, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, encouraged this ‘subprime’ lending by authorizing ever more ‘flexible’ criteria by which high-risk borrowers could be qualified for home loans, and then buying up the questionable mortgages that ensued.” Decades later, Rob, we hit critical mass with socialists blaming the private sector and coming in on a white horse to rescue us. Read the article for yourself:

          http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/09/28/franks_fingerprints_are_all_over_the_financial_fiasco/

          • John

            http://www.businessweek.com/in…..reinv.html

            Fresh off the false and politicized attack on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, today we’re hearing the know-nothings blame the subprime crisis on the Community Reinvestment Act — a 30-year-old law that was actually weakened by the Bush administration just as the worst lending wave began. This is even more ridiculous than blaming Freddie and Fannie.

            http://www.newsweek.com/id/163451

            Actually it Was Bush’s “ownership society program” and the arm twisting he used to make it work that allowed the first of zero down loans…

        • blackhat

          Aren’t you being a little dramatic here?

        • JeffH

          Rob, “My point to the many Democrates/Obama supporters, that socialism is not the answer?” Ahhh, that is where you are wrong. Socialism is their whole point, whether they know it or not.

          • Jana

            JeffH, We have to spell it out for Rob. You know, he is a bit confused. He doesn’t even realize we live in a free country, not a Communist Country.

          • Jana

            Sorry Rob, I thought I was replying to another post, but I have lost that post and it wasn’t you that I meant to name.
            Sometimes when these sites get so long, we respond and it doesn’t come out in the right place, (I have had that happen) or like I just did, I responded about the wrong person.

        • eyeswideopen

          Rob, how about stopping all subsidies to corporations? Step in right direction. Have all elections regulated by states, Everyone gets same amount of money to use for election, once it is gone, it is gone. No influence can be bought by the lobbyists, corporations. Then the reps won’t feel beholding to anyone except us. A penny sales tax should cover most elections. Also, you shouldn’t be allowed to vote on anything that envolves a company that you have interest/stocks, in, or that is associated with any of your family members. Two simple things could bring us back from corruption. If we don’t stop the corporations who by the way, 2/3 don’t pay taxes, we will be known as the United Corporations of America soon.

      • Smilee

        Interesting how certain triggers will shut down your mind and leave you incapable of rational thought. The mere mention of “Michael Moore” sure shut down your open mind if it was an open mind to start with

  • slly

    obama is trying to distract us with our wars now that he has health care in stead of trying to find jobs.. he has no idea how to get jobs for the ppl… unless they are all going to work for the govenment …

    • blackhat

      Slly, the govt has never, can never, and will never produce a single job in the private sector. What the govt has is control over the taxes and regulations that either encourage, discourage or even prevent jobs from being created. If you are waiting for the govt to get you a job, then you will be waiting a long time. The current administration is punishing job creators through a series of regulations and newly proposed taxes. Even the CBO says that it may be at least three years before we will see any positive job growth. Now, some libs around here will decry the job creators as rich and undeserving of tax cuts, but have you ever worked for someone on welfare? Most jobs are created in the small business arena. But, this administration has declared that anyone making over $250,000 are rich and should be punished. The average small business owner makes a little more than 250k. The part they forget to tell you about is that money earned keeps the small business going, and provides jobs. So, good luck with job creation from the current rulers in Washington.

      • Rob

        I believe you are mixing apples and oranges. The financial sector is not creating jobs. We have suffered massive job LOSSES.

        Small business creates most jobs. Small business relies on credit from the financial world. We need regulation put back in place like we had before to restore stability to the financial sector, so small business can keep going. And to stop the abuse.

        Its not Washington’s responsibility to create jobs, but it is Washington’s responsibility to remove roadblocks they have placed in our way through bad policy.
        Giving tax breaks to companies outsourcing jobs to overseas labor markets is encouraging job loss, shrinking the Fed’s tax base, and adding to the national debt, as Washington borrows more and more instead of cutting government.

        Lowering lending standards to encourage minority home ownership, allowing millions of people to get mortgages they could not otherwise afford, a goal supported by both parties and the Bush Administration, directly lead to the housing boom/bust and to level of consumer debt never before seen. Consumer debt is another huge factor contributing to economic stagnation.

        All our economic problems are caused by bad policy from Washington. Both parties are bought off and bribed.

        Your eyes are open….just open them a little wider.

        • Richard

          Right, jobs are gone because a Republican congress decided to ruin America with free trade. Anyone with an inkling of a brain could tell tax cuts didn’t create any jobs. Jobs will be created when competition can be managed. With free trade America can’t compete until salaries are lowered to the same as competing countries.

          • Richard

            Free trade….like in NAFTA? Passed during the Clinton administration you miss guide soul. Again, change your name

          • Richard

            passed during Clinton admin. yes, who were the congressmen that made and voted for it? REPUBLICANS

          • Richard

            Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1991 between the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation’s legislative or parliamentary branch.

            Before the negotiations were finalized, Bill Clinton came into office in the U.S.

          • Jana

            And while Clinton was campaigning for Pres. he made a few trips to Mexico to talk about NAFTA. I remember because it was a big deal that he went down there. Hmmm, maybe that wasn’t all he went down there for since now we know about his reputation.

          • eyeswideopen

            Richard, they will never admit that the repubs ever did anything wrong. Conservatives are the denial party, while the repubs are the party of NO. The right wing authoritarianism doesn’t allow them to acknowledge when facts don’t agree with their beliefs. They just minimize the facts, that in any way hold them responsible or that had a bad effect on the country. It is truly something to behold. But what can you expect when they wont’ even admit that they had control of Congress for 11 consecutive years and didn’t do anything about: healthcare, immigration, education, energy, etc, etc… denial is their best defense for lack of action on every important aspect of our countries economy.

          • Smilee

            In another words you are advocating returning to slavery or its equivalent, like many of those over sea jobs use for labor, why not work at raising those countries up and not tear the US down to achieve what you advocate unless you would want to be a slave.

      • eyeswideopen

        Blackhat, here are some stats for you regarding small business

        http://www.entrepreneur.com/sbe/glance/index.html

        • blackhat

          Whatever…Keep blaming Bush, Reagan, whoever…You do not want problems resolved. Your party stays in power in times of adversity in America simply by promising money.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        Black hat I agree, I had a small business for four years in the 80′s.I tried to go mass production, but what I needed to cover production costs, was high, because I didn’t buy my supplies over seas. As result what I was trying to sell on the open, market for one item, china, was coming in at 3 for the same price__there was no wayI could compete, I shut it down in less than 4 months__American Jobs and everything else has been driven off shore!__
        __I agree, it’s NOT the Governments job, to create jobs anyway!__They’re to keep us safe, protect and uphold the constitution so that we can remain free. But this current admin has a twisted way of making the American people feel as though, that the life we’ve built forourselves and our families is wrong!_-We hear apologies for American arrogance, honestly the only arrogance I hear, is coming from this administration and the rest of it’s ilk!

    • JeffH

      Do not ever say that the desire to “do good” by force is a good motive. Neither power-lust nor stupidity are good motives.
      Ayn Rand

      • Jana

        JeffH,
        Good quote.

      • blackhat

        It’s just too bad that such great quotes fall on deaf ears, or closed eyes.

  • http://ppastoret@q.com Phil Pastoret

    Your article is nothing but negativity. Like it’s all over. Your not alone though a lot of the articles that are written and things that are said are negative. Nobody offers any solutions. What’s your solution? Let me tell you something buddy, it’s not over. It’s just begun. The socialists will be voted out of office along with all their ilk. We will return to our once great Republic and these people will be brought to task one way or another for what they have tried to do to America. I swear that to you with every last drop of blood in my body that I will gladly give to save my country.

    • JuliBMe

      Hi, Phil: There are many that feel as you do. I have been very scared ever since a few weeks before the election of 2008 when I knew what was going to be elected to office. However, though still scared, I also have hope. If McCain had been elected we would still be marching to socialism but at a much slower pace and the American people would not have been any the wiser. With BO pushing socialism on us very hard, the American people are awake! More and more people are looking at what is being done and are educating themselves. There is hope! And, there is hope that would not have existed if McCain had been elected. The Democrat party has been revealed to be evil and people are finally paying attention. And, the Republican party is starting to show some backbone but still needs to be watched and taken over by people who love this country and how it was founded. It is interesting times and I sincerely hope no one will have to spill blood to save this wonderful country!

      • GUS

        This president lied his way into power… congressmen are being bribed, threatened or lied to ?
        Our Government can’t make people buy health care.
        What’s the next Fundamental Transformation,, amnesty for elegal aliens
        Immigration Might be the last straw.
        The people of our republic will poor out of the walls to protect our Constitution.
        Patriots pay with blood or their lives.
        My secret right is to preserve freedom for me my family and generations to come.
        That’s something to Die for
        GUS

    • Barb

      Well said Phil! I and I know many, many others are with you to the end! Vote DEM. Bums out in November!

    • Rob

      Phil, its always nice to be positive.
      But we are better served being realistic. We face a very negative situation.

      There is a tipping point….a point of no return.
      I don’t know if we are there yet, but we have never been closer in our lifetimes.

      You want solutions.
      We can start by completely flushing out Washington. Get rid of them all.
      Thats a good start. And keep them moving. 1 term, then their out. A Rolling Stone gathers no moss. The longer they remain in office, the more connections they make, the more beholden to special interest they become.

      Only when both parties are out of power will you see any kind of “reform.”

      I have been consistent with this message.

      • laura

        Rob— AND NO MORE LIFE TIME RETIREMENT FUNDS FOR A 4 YEAR TERM OR ANY TERM,let them go back to their own cities and face their neighbors when their done and go back to work too.

        GOD BLESS
        Laura

      • Mike

        Rob,

        Put what you and Phil posted in a blender, and then you have a Shake(up)! Alone, you have disaster! These people that are running our government, and I don’t mean the politicians, are smarter than you give them credit for! Time is short, my frend…and getting shorter!

    • JeffH

      Phil…here is an example of just one rule of many that Obama and his Marxist supporters use to create dissent and confusion in the masses.

      “‘The organizer’s first job is to create the issues or problems,’ and ‘organizations must be based on many issues.’ The organizer ‘must first rub raw the resentments of the people of the community; fan the latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expression. He must search out controversy and issues, rather than avoid them, for unless there is controversy people are not concerned enough to act. . . . An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent.’”
      Saul Alinsky

      So much of the liberal’s overall approach can be parralleled directly to the teaching’s of Alinsky and most certainly the “Rules for Radicles”. There certainly is no mistake or mystery to what their goal is.

  • B.J. Holmes

    With voters who approve of abortion, homosexual marriage, the government run healthcare being forced upon us, ruined economy, pandering dictators while insulting allies, removing God from as many institutions as possible, rewriting history, punishing Christians and law-abiding gun owners, free speech, amnesty for lawbreakers, we are experiencing the doom of our great nation. Well, liberals do not see it as “great”, anyway. They see it as the “golden egg”. They are already “the rich” but want the masses as their slaves. If we are that dumb, perhaps it is inevitable that our nation fall. Read history and the Bible. God protects His faithful and allows the unfaithful to be defeated. God does not beleive in “Freedom of religion”. As our leaders grant favors to Muslims and like “idol worshippers” and even elect them into high office, we know where we are headed. So sad. God does not require that we “kill the infidels”
    Those who think that is not the case, would not enjoy heaven anyway.
    Muslims might research if, in their heaven, the Sunnis will still be killing the Shiites and Kurds, blowing up marketplaces, schools, offices, Mosques, folks driving down the road. One might wonder if their victims will be in their heaven with the killers? Guess not….just the killers, all alone up their with each having their 72 virgins.
    What will the women who are now getting breast implants of explosives, do with their 72 virgins? Sounds like a great place to go!

    • American liberal

      Just more rightwing religious nonsense…

      • Yandle

        American liberal,
        Nonsense is rebelling against GOD! ALL of man’s problems, including government, start with rebelling against GOD–Period.

        • Richard

          People that believe a dead jew was God ruin your argument.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            LEAVE US,AND GO WORSHIP SATAN THEN!

          • Yandle

            Richard,
            Jesus Christ is not a “dead jew”. I am not making an argument. I am stating FACT. Your comment betrays you as being the dead one, without Christ, being alien from the commonwealth of Israel, and a stranger from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world. For you to have any hope, you must have Jesus Christ as your Savior. My comment above Has Been, Is, and Will Always BE FACT.

          • laura

            RICHARD-

            “WHAT”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Richard

            God is. The jew died just like everyone else does.

          • American Citizen

            Richard, His human body died after a horrible execution, but He arose from the dead with a glorified body. All unbelievers have a rude awakening coming.

          • TIME

            Richard, Again you prove your a raciest.
            As it were that was clear the first time around.

      • JeffH

        Just another wonderful contribution. How much do they pay you or are you so engrossed in your hate for America that you do this for free. I believe the latter to be the correct choice.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          JeffH, He probably does it for free, cuz he can email his friends about all the discontented conservtives and then they decide what buttons to push next, to rustle the natives.

      • J C

        American Communist, from where you stand, Karl Marx is to the right…

    • blackhat

      So, while Muslims are checking to see if Sunnis will still be “killing” Shiites, are you going to ask God if Catholics and Protestants will still be killing each other in Heaven?

      • Richard

        While Christians are not perfect (and they know that or they wouldn’t be able to say they are Chrstians), the misguided ones that have killed because they felt it was supported by the faith, haven’t killed in ALL of history as many as just one of the following Godless: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and many other of your heros, Mr. blackhat.

        • Richard

          That is completely false. The number one cause of death in history is natural causes. Number two is still being murdered by a christian. Can you say Inquisition? Millions and millions murdered. And Hitler and the Nazi party were 100% christian.

          • American Citizen

            Hitler never practiced being a Christian. He renounced it long before taking over Germany. He killed as many Christians in the camps as well as Jews. You just never hear about that.

          • TIME

            Richard,
            Yet again you display your complete lacking of IQ.
            But that aside, can you say Stalin, How about Castro, or Mao?
            Add the numbers up bubba, Stalin Marxist, 100 million dead by his word alone that the KGB has let the numbers out on,
            Castro Marxist at leat 3 million he killed in Cuba,
            the numbers killed in Africa who know’s, and yes Castro sent
            thousands of his Marxist to Africa to start trouble.
            Mao, we have record of no less than 500 million he killed, 100
            million in three years alone!
            All Marxist. Sweet Special Social guy who only wanted to spread the
            wealth to the people, so that the poor could have something.
            That nasty top 5% should have just shared the wealth.

          • Yandle

            Richard, you are ignorant or you are an intentional liar.

          • libertytrain

            Richard – I found this bit of info: The Associated Press, “..targeted by the Nazis, including Gypsies, homosexuals, the handicapped, Freemasons, Jehovah’s Witnesses … three million dead Polish Christians who, by the way, vastly outnumbered the combined number of dead Jehovah’s Witnesses (2,000), Gypsies (400,000), homosexuals (10,000 at the most, according to Peter Novick in The Holocaust in American Life), handicapped, etc., usually cited in Holocaust literature.”

        • blackhat

          Richard, you are idiot. Do I have to tell you that I am a veteran with 27 years in the Army. I have fought in Grenada, Panama, Gulf 1 as well as Afghanistan and Iraq. In fact, I just returned from Afgh last Nov and will go back in August. I have two bronze stars with V device (for valor) and three purple hearts. You want to compare your record of patriotism with mine, you moron? I have put my patriotism for American values to the test, have you? Probably not. BTW “blackhat” is my tribute to myself for the time I was the Senior Master Trainer at the US Army Airborne School. I do not like to brag, but you really got to me with any inference that I might not support the American way of life. You darned libs are a thorn in my side. I have had the distinct pleasure of putting many of your communist/socialist/terrorist friends to task over the years. So, I suggest you think about who you might be talking to before you misrepresent them.

          • JeffH

            blackhat, you always shoot straight and keep your powder dry. I pity the fool that crosses you in combat, whether overseas or domestically.
            Let us hope that doesn’t happen, but this President is pushing the envelope, slowly, hoping for a reason to declare martial law on America. This, I truly believe. I trust in our military to obey their oath of service and protect Americas freedom from all enemies, foreign or domestic, and millions are prepared to do likewise if necessary, God forbid.

          • blackhat

            Thanks Jeff, I do not believe that America’s military will support any outright “takeover”. It is my firm belief that the Army is loyal to the Constitution and the People. While it is our sworn duty to obey the orders of those appointed over us, the UCMJ clearly states that unlawful orders do not have to be followed. Libs have always feared the all volunteer force, because it is “unpredictable” (i.e. cannot be counted on to follow blindly). Ain’t nuthin’ a soldier likes better than a good scrap…lol

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Jeffh, I just asked my husband if that’s was what Obama wants, yes said, yes,__on that note then we must control ourselves.

          • JeffH

            angel…100% correct. Let us never fire the first shot, under any circumstances, but let us defend America from tyranny with our everlasting breath.

          • eyeswideopen

            Blackhat, where did you get the idea that you were defending only the right wing Christian Conservatives/republicans. You defend everyone, regardless of political affiliation, or religious affiliation. That is your job. You are not to be political in the service of your country. I guess you haven’t learned that this country wasn’t conceived or founded under Christ. God is not named one time in our Constitution or Amendents. So you think that during battle, no liberals ever saved your butt? Too funny. Get down off that horse and recommit to all of the people in this great nation. Luckily most of our soldiers get the fact that we have many political parties and many different religions, along with different races, who they defend. By the way active duty soldiers are not supposed to engage in political trash talking that you are engaging in? Here is the link that shows you that you can’t do what YOU HAVE BEEN DOING if you are still active duty. Under 4.12. A memeber of Armed Forces on Active duty shall not: please read 4.1.2.6 Participate in any radio, television or other program OR GROUP DISCUSSION as an advocate for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or CAUSE. also, 4.1.3 states that Officers cannot use contemptious words. here is the llnk. http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134410p.pdf
            This site is monitored, don’t want to see you get in any trouble.

          • blackhat

            Again, eyes you misrepresent me.

            “You defend everyone, regardless of political affiliation, or religious affiliation.” When did I ever say that I would not defend the people and the constitution? Never, would be the right answer. Now you can spin that, but my words are pretty clear. You cannot threaten me either. I have always been very concise. As for your other charges, I have just been using my record of service for clarity on loyalty issues. Did I ever make a statement that any branch of service supports X, or Z? Again, no.

            “I guess you haven’t learned that this country wasn’t conceived or founded under Christ.” As if it is any of your business, I am a Wiccan. But, I support the religeous freedoms of others (Muslim, Jew, Christian, Buddhist, whatever.) Can you say the same?

            “So you think that during battle, no liberals ever saved your butt?” I won’t even answer your awful statement about who saves who on the battlefield and their beliefs. This just shows you for the racist bigot you are.

            “Luckily most of our soldiers get the fact that we have many political parties…” What are you a soldier? And, how dare you presume to speak for them in that context? How do you know what our soldiers “get”? There are about 140,000 men and women deployed worldwide, and there 140,000 reasons that each one holds. You show a total lack of understanding.

            “A memeber of Armed Forces on Active duty shall not…” And, lastly, the UCMJ is very clear that any member of the Armed Services has political rights and the freedom to express them. There are guidelines that relate to when and where uniforms can be worn, and how one should be identified such as by name and rank, and that identifying oneself as belonging to any particular service when making political statements could be wrong. So, again, what’s my rank, what service?

            “Officers cannot use contemptious words.” You forgot the part about “of Officers and others appointed above…” Let’s see…quoting political leaders could hardly be considered disparaging remarks.

            Are you trying to silence my beliefs under the guise of UCMJ?…that could be a federal offence…wanna look it up? And, don’t get cute with me, and monitor away…you do not have my best interest in mind. So, get off your horse…And, this will be last retort to you.

          • JeffH

            blackhat, although I was classified 1H on june 2, 1969, I salute you and all the men and women that have made the sacrifice for liberty and freedom for “ALL”. You are well spoken and well respected by me and , I am sure, many, many more freedom loving Americans.
            God bless you!

          • blackhat

            Thanks Jeff, in general, service members are patriotic citizens that have joined for a million different reasons. With the exception of the few that get weeded out, our soldiers, sailors and marines have given much more than they ever thought they had to give. I just wish that these values and ethics could be instilled in all Americans. It is with much pride that I see some of the best America has to offer work hard and develop into some of the most productive members of society. As long as they stand, this republic will stand. Some people feel low in spirit right now, but take a look at the videos of our men and women running the enemy into the ground in Helmund Province…that’ll cheer you up!

        • blackhat

          My point was, that in the Bible does it not teach that one should look to the log in one’s own eye before complaining about the splinter in another?

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            BlackhatAlways!___and to Pray for our Enemies first!___Thank you for your service and God Bless!

    • coal miner

      B.J.Holmes,

      Are you for real?

  • Barb

    There isn’t time to come up with new parties we need to look at the people running, look at their records and vote accordingly. Right now the Democrats ARE the problem and yes some Republicans but I can’t really see one Democrat out there worthy of my vote in November to save our country. We have to stop the bleeding and we need new leaders to do that, let’s pray they are out there. Whether it’s Republican, Libertarian, or whatever you want to call it Conservatism is the only option at this point to bring our country back to where it was, maybe even ultra conservatism! Middle roaders and fence sitters won’t help anymore. Like it or not that’s how it’s going to have to be, we need decisive leadership, fast and hard hitting leadership, no wishy-washy mamby- pamby stuff anymore! And soonest!

    • Richard

      Correct on all point Barb!

    • Mike

      Correct, Barb! We also need to focus on the individuals supporting these crooks, ie. Wall Street and Big Pharma. Lobbying should be a crime, since it is a bribe! These politicians should be tried for taking bribes, passing laws, and attempting to tear apart our Constitution. Let’s not forget all the participants!!

    • Delores Smith

      Barb,
      Great job! Another party would only split the vote, but not enough to win. The Democrat Majority are puppets of Obaba. We need to vote Republican IF the person is conservative.
      Delores109@cox.net

  • Delores Smith

    TO: Mr. Bob Livington
    MY VIEWPOINT
    BOB,
    The United States is a Republic, and WE WILL KEEP IT THAT WAY, despite Obama’s goals.
    This is an election year, and we can change a great deal when we vote. It is important that each of us speak out, just as you did in your March 29th article.
    Thank you, Bob.
    I have a theory. George Bush had to approve the Tarp Fund, but I think he was deceived by Henry Paulson
    and Timothy Geithner. I watch C-Span constantly and saw Paulson come into the Committee room dramatically stating how the sky was falling if the Tarp didn’t go through. It seemed that he was acting…a bad actor at that.
    Paulson had been the CEO of Goldman-Sachs. I think that Timothy Geithner convinced Paulson to ask for the Tarp Fund. All of Paulson’s men from Goldman-Sachs went to work for Timothy Geithner. That might have been a deal. Paulson, in turn, convinced Bush that the Tarp was critical.
    I observed this about Timothy Geithner. The only American auto company that didn’t receive a bailout was Ford Motor Company, yet their stock was very low.
    Geithner’s grandfather had been Vice-President of Ford Motor Company. His father, Peter Geithner, had been with The Ford Foundation. At one time, he worked in Indonesia with Obama’s mother working on micro-financing. Was Ford encouraged not to take the bailout?
    Goldman-Sachs never lost a cent on their bailout while others did.
    All Americans should haunt their representatives and senators with their views. They pay attention to volume e-mails and phone calls. Our job is to prevent this administration and the majority from overspending or we will be bankrupt before the election. We can be heard and demand what’s in our nation’s best interest. Election-time is almost here.
    Delores Smith
    Delores109@cox.net

    • Merl Elton

      You are so right. To win we must be as proactive, creative, inventive, and dare I say treacherous, without violence. We must be as clever and effective as the opposition. Instead of asking people for $50, we should ask for $5 just like they do. We must convince people that the Republican version of health care reform will accomplish more than Obamacare at far less cost and with less taxes; and no rationing, or cuts to Medicare. We need to take care of our seniors who have paid into the system all of their lives. We should not sell out seniors to younger people who have not paid as much in and may not plan to be here very long that is return to their homeland or migrate back and forth.

    • allen johnson

      What do you all think about the 25 billion income, most of it taxed at 15%, that the 25 top hedge fund managers made this past year. The top one made 4 billion himself. This didn’t create anything for anhyone else, except the money made by those in the hedge funds, which really didn’t create any real wealth. The average blue collar and white collar guy who works hard makes just .0015% of that – n o 15% of that, but .0015% of that. We don’t have a Republic, that is for sure. I don’t know what you would call what we have now, but it just isn’t working except for those hedge fund managers. Did Paulson and Geithner empower these guys, or at least allow them to steal this kind of money from us? We gave them the TARP money, they leveraged it to make these phemomenal amounts of dough, and the ordinary guy can’t begin to get a mortgage on a house he can afford on the income from the job he now has. Either the banks are keeping our bailout money to invest in hedge-fund and related activities, or they fear that the average guy who wants to buy the average house who now has a job will lose his job, and the prices of homes will continue to fall. Do any of you have an answer to this? I don’t think it is lower taxes for those Americans who are making a fortune gamblin wiht our TARP money, thanks to the rest of us. I want my money back, and I want it back from the hedge fund bullies, from AIG, from Go ldman Sachs, from Fuld of Lehman, Thain of Merril Lynch, Blankfein of Goldman, and their fellow criminals! Their 40 billion of pay this past year plus those 25 hedge fund characters $25 billion would buy private insurance from private insurance companies for 10 million Americans!! You better believe what we want our Republic and our government back – how did Wall Street pull this one off?

    • Tim S

      I think Delores’s theory is right. Paulsen was a democrat who came from Goldman Sachs. His cronies at Goldman told him to plead for the bailout or they would be sunk! Paulsen was acting out a part….how about getting down on his knees in front of Pelosi! Bush could not very well question his Treasury Secretary and go against him….not with just a few months left on his term….and who would want to have a financial collapse under their watch!

    • Acushla

      Delores, Bush has already trashed the Constitution so USA is no longer a Constitutional Republic. I think it started with Carter. Sad but true When Abortion became Law USA was no longer blessed by Yahweh, and now Obama in turning away from Israel, he is fulfilling the Scriptures in opening up the way for The Man of Sin to ascend from the Abyss when the Ecclesia Christians are taken. Jesus Christ is Coming Soon.

    • richard baughman

      Very interesting. What a coincidence. The Geithners spanned from Bo’s mother to Dubyas admin? Was Hillary aware of all this? BUT try this one. There was only 59 H.C. votes on Christmas Eve. Because in the end the deal between Reid and Nelson fell apart. Unless I’m wrong, I think the cornhusker kickback was taken back by BO. Thus Nelson’s vote should be taken back. OR the ethics committee has a good case for fraud against all parties concerned. Was the $100 million medicare rescinded? I hear conflicting conclusions. I have written 8 letters on this subject. To date no replies, and no news about this subject. I’m just a simple man but in a two party deal if one backs out the other is not bound. I don’t care how far back down the trail they have to track this lie. They need to get it done. richard

  • Sharon

    Weeelll, folks, small history lesson here — that which is no longer taught in our schools: Woodrow Wilson wanted to set this nation on a socialist path in 1918 — his successors, both Republican and Democrat, followed down that path — FDR began social security, and now most of us rely on this “entitlement” to live in relative comfort longer.

    What most constituents in this land fail to realize is: retirement income is not a right. Medical insurance is not a right. A single-family home is not a right. A car is not a right. They actually are privileges that are the result of one’s own labors. It was BOTH Democratic AND Republican Presidents and Congresses that have done this to us. AND WE LET THEM DO IT.

    Since when is NOT WORKING a profitable career? Since Welfare handouts became a “right” instead of a helping hand. Now we have 3 and 4 generations(!) of welfare recipients.

    Go back to the 60s for this lovely jewel. At least Nixon, as bad as he was, wanted to make welfare a temporary “workfare” system, but the Congress at that time tossed that out.

    Want to point fingers? Remember that for every one pointing at someone or something – there are three pointing back at yourself.

    No I do not exclude myself. I just got better educated in the last few years.

    • Delores Smith

      Sharon,
      I love your history lesson. You are almost right!
      The government took Social Security and Medicare taxes while we were employed. It was a contract that gave us retirement and FREE Medicare (Free Hospitalization -Part A). We paid monthly for Part B. All of our funds were put in a TRUSTEE FUND with Timothy Geithner, Managing Trustee and the Sec’y of Health and Human Services as another Trustee (She runs the Health Plan.). MUDDY, ISN’T IT? Does a Trustee have the right to misuse our funds and reduce our benefits by 1/2 trillion $????
      Delores Smith

  • carl morgan

    whats wrong with our good people in congress ? they have to see whats going on with this admistration or are they just as quilty as they are. do they want to destroy this nation and become socialists. i can”t believe that our elected people in washington will allow our country to fall. there has to be someone to stand up to these radicals that are taking over our NATION. stand up, demand someone has to. or our freedoms will be lost forever.

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      Carl Morgan, voting is all the power we have, there is too much majority, money and power in the democratic party!

  • Ron Carlson

    It is important to remember that having a Constitution that means what it says is the only vehicle under which government of the people, by the people and for the people can exist. The idea of a living constitution is a stealth philosophy that shifts control of the constitution from the people to unaccountable politicians, lawyers and judges. Socialism and its ugly sister, Communism are philosophies that subtly argue that shared poverty is preferable to individual freedom, prosperity, personal excellence and success. Implicit in that philosophy is the creation of a cast system where the people are surfs and the elite class govern to assure that the level of poverty is uniform across society. Non-producers who are happy with a welfare check vote for the progressives who want to make poverty and dependence the standard. Governments that are not effectively controlled by the people will always seize the power to oppress. However, the American people have not yet forgotten what freedom is. Ultimately they will unite to throw the rascals out. Obama and his minions have shown us what we have to lose and that will invigorate the American spirit either at the ballot box or on the battlefield.

  • s c

    What we have is a very painful second chance. Most Americans are familiar with what the Founding Fathers wanted (and didn’t want). Most Americans know what is so WRONG about what we have, but few know that if it wasn’t for a long line of TRAITORS like Alexander Hamilton and an inner circle of ‘apprenticed, adoring traitors,’ we would not be in this damned mess.
    Add a dash of socialism and communism, and here we are – watching a nation imploding and slowly strangled by elected and appointed scum who should be deported or put in front of the nearest firing squad.
    People like Obummer can temporarily plead ignorance, though they know full well what they have done to America. Get out the history books, line up everyone on one side or the other, and KICK ASS, AMERICA. Only reality matters. Let philosophers handle theory and fantasy.
    Up the rebels!

    • JeffH

      I’ve got your back on that SC.

  • W. H. Martin

    Obama, like the five or six who preceded him is a corporatist, not a socialist.
    Iraq and Afghanistan were not invaded as retaliation for 9/11—9/11 happened so that we could invade them.
    Kennedy was planning a Laos-type (neutralization) for Vietnam. That, and his desire to break up the CIA is why he was killed.

    • blackhat

      Martin…for all my friends who did not return, you are wrong. I suppose you believe that Pearl Harbor was a conspiracy, too. Or, that Buzz never set foot on the moon. Without delving into the long history, Afghanistan is the home of modern terrorism, and Iraq (with support from Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc.) financed much of it.

    • JeffH

      W. H. Martin, wrong. Obama is a straight up Marxist with commuist leanings.
      http://www.coverups.com/mediacoverups/2008-election/obamas_marxist_ties.htm

  • American liberal

    The only thing accurate in this artical was that Republican George W. Bush ran our countrys economy over the cliff…the rest was just more rightwing ranting and raving..if the rightwings gets the goverment they’ve already promised to go right back to the same policys that drove our country over the cliff..

    • blackhat

      Bush did it! Bush did it! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Brrraaawwkk…

      • Rob

        Once again Blackhat, you are missing the point.

        To become so blinded by ideology, to judge our leaders by their campaign promises and their platforms, to cling to a political ideology no matter what, is to play right into their hands and perpetuate our nation’s problems.

        Judge a man not by his words, but by his actions.

        To blindly follow the GOP because they have a great limited government low tax platform, is to ignore the very fact that once elected, they grew the size of the federal government, cut taxes, but not spending, and added trillions to the national debt. The USA Patroit Act is NOT LIMITED GOVERNMENT! Neither is Obamacare! Federal encroachment on our liberties is being carried out by BOTH parties!

        There may not be time to properly build third party opposition as Barb points out, but to support the GOP or DNC candidates is to give them a nod of approval, that their actions will be tolerated.

        I say better to support third parties, even if we lose. It sends them a scarey message. It tells them we mean business and we are growing impatient.

        Support of Democrats or Republicans is a green light to the business as usual policies of the past.
        And if we were happy with those policies, none of us would even be having this conversation would we?

        THROW THEM ALL OUT!

        • blackhat

          Rob, you obviously missed my point. I was trying to point out a basic tactic that libs use all the time. Blame someone else. I have stated before that our current state of affairs is a direct result of many bad policies and politicians on both sides of the aisle. Our friend Am Lib has a tedancy to throw out Bush’s name as much as possible. I have gotten tired of the name/blame/game. While I whole heartedly believe that we are in deep trouble, I do not believe that blaming past presidents will solve our current problems. Or, do you think that blaming Bush will fix Obama’s administration? Perhaps we can agree that our current “crisis” is a “crisis” and there needs to be a solution. But, I definately have a problem with blaming Bush all the time.

          • American liberal

            Blackhat… Us liberals and democrats are just blaming Bush?…. Well aren’t you just blaming us for what Bush did?… You can’t with any honesty at all Blame the state of this countys economy on president Obama… Same with immigration.. Unemployment and terrorism….those are all problems that were there before he took office…as far as the healthcare reform bill.. President Obama ran on healthcare reform, so it’s not like it snuck up on you… ” We The People” elected President Obama now your trying to undo democracy … Right now the polls are pretty close on the healthcare bill but I suspect it will get back to the 70 +% support it had 6 months ago ..the approval is already comming up..

          • blackhat

            Lib, answering you is waste of time…but, okay…apparently you do not read your own posts, you like to blame Bush often. Get it? I was clear that the “blame” lies on both sides. I get it, you like universal health care and other social programs at any cost. Good for you. So, the oman got elected president…good for him. Great, he ran on healthcare reform…wonderful. No, it didn’t “sneak up” on me. For the record, other than the higher taxes, I will always have some form of insurance, so it doesn’t affect me. Unemployment, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that the policies being enacted today will not encourage job growth tomorrow (ask the CBO). Terrorism? Sure, that has been around forever, but again, it doesn’t take a lot of smarts to see that Iran has no problem exporting it’s brand of late. But, I do agree with the surge in Afghanistan. (Chalk one up for the oman!) I do find it amusing that there were lots of “Don’t Blame Me” bumper stickers during the Bush years. Stop being so hypocritical, it isn’t becoming.

          • JeffH

            blackhat, to even respond to that nutcase is a victory to him. That is why he is here, to disrupt you or anyone he can.

        • Richard

          it will be much easier to take over the Republican party than create a viable third. I learned that lesson when I voted for Ross Perot. That thinking got us 8 years of “it depends on what the definition of is…is”. The mistake made was trying to have the big tent and think that would mean it would fill with conservatives. I ask Jeb Henserling before the 06 election what the Republicans were doing with all the spending and didn’t they realize we would loose seats in the upcoming elections. His reply…”while the republican control congress, the conservatives don’t”. He could have hit me with a hammer and it wouldn’t have gotten my attension more. Bottom lines…cull out the RINO’s.

    • EltonJ

      Jimmy Carter and Richard Nixon ran our economy over the cliff, American Liberal.

      • JeffH

        We all need to stop the blame game of the past and stay focused on the here and now. Most realize the problems are attributed to both parties. Obama probably roars with laughter if he reads these types of blogs or any public comments. What he doesn’t like are those like Beck, Hannity or Rush that don’t let up on exposing him for what he is, a Marxist puppet that is here only to deliver a message. He was groomed long for this job because of his ideaology and special skills, and it was the right time. Little did a majority of voters know that his idea of “fundamental change” included the damning of every freedom loving American patriot and the incremental destruction of the freedoms our founding fathers set forth and envisioned for this nation.
        I ask, are we people or will we become sheeple to the mighty O’man and his worldly masters?
        Hell no…God Bless America not God Dam..n America

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          I can’t add any more to that Joe, well said!

  • http://www.oaktreepublishing.ca J.D.

    All of this talk is useless…what does it take to make Americans realize there is no difference between these two parties…the little guy gets screwed regardless who is in… What America needs is a solid third “people-party”…a party that is not in the pockets of the rich…but born out of a grassroots movement… But then… it’s most likely to late…in time to come… America is just another empire that vanished…

    • Rob

      JD, you are right on target.
      At least some people are getting it.

      • Barb

        Sorry but you are both wrong. Being realistic and defeatism is NOT the same you two are talking defeatism and I for one am a long way from giving up! There is still hope, there is always hope! And there is a fundamental difference between the two parties and their followers and if you can’t see that then you two are a big part of the problem. Case in point- 60% 0f Pelosi’s district is STILL in favor of her and that’s because the huge majority of her district is Democrat Progressives who want socialism! That my friends is a fundamental difference between us, the people of this country, like it or not!

        • Richard

          Barb…feeling like I have found the most intelligent woman on the net today. You are right again. Clean out the RINO’s and take back the Republican party is the plan. Conservatives unite…that is exactly what the socialist marxist did to the democrat party…take it over because it is easier than building from nothing.

          • Barb

            Well thank you and I agree-with the part about the Rinos and Conservatives uniting that is!

    • http://personallibertydigest working taxpayer

      I like the idea of a third party, and have heard some people “buzzing” about a Tea Party candidate. However, I’m worried that a third party candidate would split the vote for conservatives and put another liberal in that position. Does anybody have any ideas on how to avoid this scenario playing out?

    • Delores Smith

      J.D.
      A third party would not win at this time, unless they voted as independents. We would split the vote.
      Delores109@cox.net

  • realistic

    If Ronald Reagan (REPUBLICAN) mysteriously reappeared…some of you are saying you would not vote for him…because He was a Republican.
    So what is the alternative? Squishy independents? More Democrats with lofty promises? Oh we know how conservative the Dems get when electioneering is going on, remember Clinton?
    You are most likely going to see a “conservative” emerge in the Republican party and from that point we have to support Him/Her and then stay vigilante in holding their feet to the fire..unlike what anyone did with Bush and the Republican Congress. You see we are at fault here too for being a tad too lackadaisial.
    We are hopefully now fully awake.

  • http://none Bill Good

    I want to know who are the Socialist Republicans.

    • http://ppastoret@q.com Phil Pastoret

      Want to know what socialism in our country does? Ok I’ll give you an example. I was a police officer in the once proud city of Gary, Indiana for 30 years. I came in a couple of years after a socialist mayor took office. He drove the hard working people out of the city and what was left were mostly people beholding to the city and county governments for their welfare. Did I say welfare? When I went on the PD in 1970 there were 176K people in the city. Today there are approximatley 84K. 60% below the poverty line and 45% illitercy rate. (govt. stats not mine) Educators used to come from all over the world to sudy the Gary school system. Today schools in Gary are losing their accredadation. Houses and bldgs. boarded up or burned out. Is this what you want? Then support your local socialist liberal for elective office. The solution? Vote them out of office!

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        PHIL ,WE HAVE IT HERE TOO!__industry is no more, stores are empty, sale signs every where for housing___JOBS?, if ya don’t punch a cash register, bar tend or own your business, your screwed!__A friend of ours, a foot doctor just closed his doors, says he can’t afford to stay in business anymore__the only thing certain, is there’s more to come, if we don’t votem’ out in November!

      • Richard

        Having police is socialism. This is funny.

        • JeffH

          Richard, where did that come from? Nobody said it although apparently you have thought that.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            the libs always twisting words.

        • laura

          RICHARD-

          again

          “WHAT”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Richard

            Goods and services controlled by the State – that is what socialism is honey. Any public service paid for by taxpayers – that includes police.

  • CLARENCE SWINNEY

    CRAP SHOOTERS IS THERE ONE INTELLIGENT INFORMED WRITER ON THIS FORUM? I WOULD LIKE TO READ ONE.
    Your ilk gave us 20 0f conservative presidents 18 of conservative senate 12 of conservative house and 6 of total control.
    Your ilk gave us Great Depression and Great Recesssion.
    Your ilk took 600B budget to 3500B budget
    Your ilk took 1000B debt to 11,500B debt.
    Your ilk created 99,000 jobs per month over 20 years versus great leadership of lib Carter-Clinton 222,000 per month.
    Your ilk gave us slaughteramas all over the world to enrich your irich stockholders in killing manufacuring plants.

    Look shamed.you are shameful.

    You are th Triple A Party
    ANTI CHRIST ANTI AMERICA ANTI WORLD

    OLD UGLY HONEST

    • Tazio2013

      Crusading christian conservative republicans are a large part of the problem and will NEVER be a part of the solution as they are controlled by the NWO/GPE 1%ers as accurately described by BL’s March 1st article entitled; “How the 1 percent Control the 99 percent”. Ron Paul and the secular, anti-AmeroIsraeli War Machine, pragmatic Jeffersonian Libertarians will get my votes.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        TAZ, TWO WORDS__BITE ME!

      • JC

        TAZ it’s the whole damned system. Not just the guys in red ties, it’s ALL of them.

    • Richard

      If you had a brain…someone might debate with you, but why waits energy on the lost.

      • Richard

        waste

    • JeffH

      Just another socialist disruption on the site…ignore…ignore…ignore

      • JeffH

        …not mine again…

      • JeffH

        Well, I must have done something right as I seem to have really pissed somebody off, albeit someone that would rather remain anonymous.

    • Delores Smith

      Clarence Swinney,
      OK. So tell us what we should do.
      Delores109@cox.net

  • Bender

    I think you have a point about the elitism on both sides of the isle. Socialist elites, educated in liberal cesspools, are controlling us. A similar situation brought the Roman republic down. Look at a picture of the podium in the Senate. You will see the fascia on both sides. This is the ancient Roman symbol of absolute power, including the power of life and death. The fascists flag of Mussolini carried this same symbol. It is the perfect symbol for fascism and the socialist democrat part we now see (yes, add in the RINOs as well). Many sitting Republicans must go down. They are really socialist democrats. This is the name we should all use for the old democrat party. Are they buying up brown shirts?

  • American liberal

    Amnasty?… Like Ronald Reagan granted when he was President?…. Or how George W.Bush just ignored illegal immigrants….

    • blackhat

      Another word for the conservative lexicon. “Am-nasty” (adverb) Descriptive term for one who says they do not want illegal immigration to continue by granting citizenship to anyone who has illegally resided in the country. And, voila, no more illegal immigration problem!

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      AM, and like your Sheep Herder in Washington, ignored half of the people in America in regards to health care reform??_Cut me a break, dude!

    • Richard

      You must really have your head up Michael Moore’s butt. “W” wanted to give them amnesty, but the conservatives shut it down…thankfully

  • chevy65

    From a Canadian,
    America, in a little over a year has flown right passed Canada on the road to socialism. We, have not gone any more socialist in the last 20 years, whereas America is zooming there in a hurry. Obama is going to push as fast as he can because he knows that november is coming , and he may be forced to slow then. I am saddened to see, what a once powerful nation is going to be on it’s knees due to it’s irrational spending. When all the republicans could muster is John Mccain I guess you get what you deserve. When man no longer fears God, the nation will not last. The last bastion of good in the world is fast being desolved. It’s all coming clear as we are in the last days. America will no longer be a power to be feared.

    • JC

      Reply, from an CanAm dually….

      Exactly right. But bear this in mind, when a nation of 305 million directly south of you goes completely socialist, Canada won’t be far behind. You guys need to start making as much noise as possible too.

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      Your right , America is too dam worried about hurting our enemies feelings and they’re distancing allies__political correctiveness_the tea and krumpet crowd

    • Richard

      Sounds like you have been reading your Bible. I think you are right. These things are being done by the Godless just as predicted.

  • CLARENCE SWINNEY

    WHAT A CROWD? WRECKERS ALL.

    WRECKONOMICS
    COURTESY :WALL STREET OF AMERICA
    LEADERSHIP VIA CONSERVATIVE POLICIES
    THANKS TO RONALD REAGAN AND G W BUSH

    From 1946 to 1980 the period was known as the GREAT MIDDLE CLASS YEARS
    Each President worked to reduce the Debt from WWII.
    In 1980 Debt was less than 1000 Billion and Government Spending was 600 Billion per year.

    Reagan boastful Cut Taxes plus Cut the size of Government was a Trojan Horse, per his OMB Stockman, to cut Taxes for very rich.

    Reagan was Governor for 8 years during which he increased Taxes on many items.
    He increased the state revenues more than any predecessor.
    By Far. Cutting Government? Ho Hum. Blarney Baloney once more.

    Reagan policies increased Spending by 80% .
    Debt by 186%.
    9-3-01 Debt was $999.9 Billion and 9-30-89 at $1,859 Billion
    Conservatives use Spin: It was Congress.
    From 1930 to 1980 we spent $6066 Billion.
    Reagan 8 Budgets totaled over $7000 Billion.
    Congress? Ho Hum.
    Blarney Baloney.
    Congress returned Reagan 8 budgets for his signature with
    fewer total dollars on them.
    Haynes Johnson in “sleepwalking” said Reagan administration was “most scurrilous in history”
    138 were investigated /charged/fined. More than total for all preceding Presidents in 20th century.
    There were scandals in 27 Departments of the Federal Government.
    Most involved money fraud.
    The book “Ronald Reagan-There he goes again” documents over 300 incorrect statements by good old Ron.
    Each President from 1945 reduced the Debt then came Spend-Borrow Reagan
    to increase government by 80%.

    THEN-Here comes GHW BUSH.
    No braggart here. Nice Gentleman.
    He increased Debt to $4411 Billion.
    A 54% Increase.
    Give him credit for increasing Tax on Rich due to out of control Deficits.
    He had courage to put America first over ideology and party.

    THEN-Pay your Way CLINTON ARRIVES
    The Debt on 9-30-1993 was $4411 Billion.
    The Debt on 9-3-01 was $5807 Billion.
    An increase of $1396 or 31%
    Clinton reduced the Deficit in each of first four years.
    He ended with a surplus.

    HERE comes old King of Spend-Borrow GW BUSH
    Debt was $5807 Billion and on 9-30-09 it was $11,909 Billion.
    105% increase.
    Reagan-186%
    Bush I-54%
    Clinton-31%

    Reagan-Bush I-Bush II did not pay down a penny of debt in 20 years

    Those 4 added $10,946 Billion to our Debt.

    Three so called conservatives promoted cut government.
    Up = Down to them.

    INTEREST ON DEBT
    9-30-81 to 9-30-09 we paid $8400 Billion in Interest.
    87% Interest Paid on Debt incurred by the Famous 3.

    The $10,946 in Debt plus $8400 Billion of Interest is $19,346 Billion.

    Revenue not received due to Reagan + Bush I Tax cuts was $26,000 Billion.

    We have a $12,00 Billion Debt in 2010 and would have a $14,000 Billion Surplus
    were there no Tax Cuts primarily to enrich the rich of richest.

    Now! What do we do?

    Increase Unearned Income Tax to 28%.
    Increase Top Income Tax Rate to 40%
    Increase Estate Tax big time big time biggie
    Increase collections on Corporate profits—16% average payment(top rate 35%)

    In 2003 distribution of corporate profits by CBO report revealed
    Bottom 80% of Income earners got 8%–Top 5% got 67%—Top 1% got 49%

    Renew Revenue Sharing to return cost to rich from middle class

    Cover our 3500B Budget would require:
    Flat Tax of 35% on Income
    Flat Tax of 40% on Consumption

    Neal Boortz 2005 Book proposes a 23% Flat Tax.
    Smoking a weed?
    How do you cover a 3500B budget with 23% (2300)of 10,000 Total National Income?
    23% of 10,000(2300) leaves a 1200B Deficit. Typical Republican logic.
    Spend + Borrow let kids pay tomorrow GOP policies.
    No deductions. None. Dream on.

    Clarence Swinney
    Political historian since 1991 on Reagan-Clinton-Bush II administrations.
    Lifeaholics Of America — old n ugly but honest
    Author-Lifeaholic-Work for a Life not just a Living—Workaholic to Lifeaholic
    Author-forthcoming-All American Party—How Democrats created a Great Middle Class and Conservatives are determined to destroy it
    Many Stats from 12-6-09 polidose.com article by John Lucia “The National Debt:Betrayal and Devastation

    • Richard

      Karl Marx wrote a book also. Doesn’t mean he was right just evil.

    • kilrntex

      Clarence was a cross-eyed lion, not a “swinney” Pig, as you are. You hippy scum should quit smoking that weed! After all, you have a country to run…..DOWN!!! That’s the only thing you maggots are good at. When you destroy your sponsors such as me and other taxpaying patriots, who will support your sorry [offensive word removed]? Obama bin Laden will run out of time hopefully before he ruins this country, because not all of the opposition are Tea Partiers. There are twice as many people that are just PISSED OFF and not the ones in DC that called the names and spit on the congressmen. Those guys were from YOUR party trying to teardown the tea party. Americans aren’t as stupid as you people are and we can see through you. Keep talking through your [offensive word removed],crunching your numbers and smoking your dope! You’re playing into our hands now.

    • JeffH

      Has anybody besides myself noticed how the liberal/socialist hacks are starting to erode these blogs with long, copy and pastes babbles. If they make enough long posts, they disrupt the site and people get bored and move on. Another method taught by the guru of Marxist idealogy.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        AIN’T WORKIN HERE JOE__ I JUST BLOW OVER THEM!

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear JeffH,
        From the influx of liberal commentary it seems as if something’s afoot.
        All the best,
        Bob

        • JeffH

          Thank you Bob for keeping a place for all of us to exchange, good or bad, educated or not, and thanks for the articles you and your associates put out to keep our minds active and engaged.

        • JeffH

          It isn’t beyond the realm of possibility that this site, in particular, has become targeted by the left extremist groups. Word does travel fast, especially bad news which is good news that people are listening and speaking truths.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        JeffH, Given that Ann Coulter was shut down from speaking in Canada and now Carl Rove at a book signing, and speaking engagemnet, a woman tried to citizen arrest him for treason (this was on fox news)_I would assume ANY dissent is now going to try and be squelched.

        • JeffH

          angel-wanna-be, Updated March 30, 2010
          Karl Rove Heckled at Book Event in Beverly Hills
          Rove was reportedly left to fend for himself after a group of protesters hurled charges at him and one attempted a citizen’s arrest.
          Rove was forced to leave the stage as another woman screamed , “The only comfort I take is that … you’re going to rot in hell.”

          It seems to me that the Tea Party kooks are taking it to another level, attacking a Republican instead of a Democrat? I just know it was one of them, it has to be!

          On a more serious note, this isn’t the first time this has happened in California. Up in Pelosi land, San Francisco, in 2008, a woman attempted to arrest and handcuff Rove for treason. Imagine that, there wasn’t even a hint of the Tea Party back then, but these old ladies were dangerous even then.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JeffH. I just caught the tail end of that video on Fox, when the woman was ushered off the stage with Carl Rove, and didn’t bother to check the date__But, People are understandably upset Jeff all over, but man-o man we all gotta keep our cool.__

          • JeffH

            angel…I was making a funny blaming it on the Tea Party…and you are right. There are those that will do whatever is necessary to stop the conservative voices including planting dissenters amongst us to further the socialists cause.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JeffH, Sorry didn’t catch the funny, been pre-occupied, and off an on here__Reading info, some which you provided links for__I gotta say, I”m getting quite and education___While I know enough to be dangerous about politics, I sure as h*ll don’t know everything. I shoot from the hip, but speak from the heart and the bible, And I’m livin’ proof that you can teach and old dawg new tricks__Hell I even made copies for my kids!__Lol___BTW___Hannity friggin Rocked the Reagan Library Tonight!___God Love the guys like him, taking the arrows for us!__
            God Bless America

          • JeffH

            angel-wanna-be, wasn’t Hannity great tonight. This guy is sincere in his beliefs and a true Reagan Conservative. After he covers his research and publishimg costs on the sale of his new book he will not make a personal cent and donate the profits to the Freedom Alliance’s
            Scholarship Fund for the sons and daughters of America’s military heroes. http://freedomalliance.org/

            Thanks, I’m just a blue collar guy that believes in America, John Wayne and apple pie and don’t have much use for them commie basterds.

  • CLARENCE SWINNEY

    $5 BILL BILL NOT A BRAIN DEAD AFFABLE DUNCE

    Comparing Democrat’s hero-CLINTON—versus Republican’s hero–REAGAN
    ———————————————————————————————————–

    1.JOBS—grew by 43% more under Clinton.
    2.GDP—grew by 57% more under Clinton.
    3.DOW—grew by 700% more under Clinton..
    4. MARKET CAP INCREASE—Clinton + 330%–Reagan + 136%
    5.NASDAQ-grew by 18 times as much under Clinton.
    6.SPENDING–grew by 28% under Clinton—80% under Reagan.
    7.DEBT—grew by 43% under Clinton—187% under Reagan.
    8. DEFICITS—Clinton got a large surplus–grew by 112% under Reagan.
    9.NATIONAL INCOME—grew by 100% more under Clinton.
    10.PERSONAL INCOME—Grew by 110% more under Clinton.
    11.MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME-grew by 75% more under Clinton
    12. DEFENSE BUDGETED-Clinton -2311B—Reagan-2062B (current $)
    13.UNEMPLOYMENT—AVG—Clinton 5.2%–Reagan 7.6%
    (I admit averaging averages can be dumb. I dumb.)
    SOURCES—Bureau of Labor Statistics (www.BLS.Gov)–Economic Policy Institute (EPI.org)—Global & World Almanacs from 1980 to 2003 (annual issues)
    http://www.the-hamster.com (chart taken from NY Times)
    National Archives History on Presidents. http://www.nara.gov
    LA Times 10-11-00 on Market–www.Find articles.com
    Federal Budget.Com 2009

    A vote for a Conservative is a vote for Less Success.
    A vote to reduce the Standard of Living for all Americans.

    Recall 1920’s and Wall Street under Conservative control?
    Recall 2000-2008 and Wall Street under Conservative control?

    Want more of those years? It will take many years to recover.

    political historian
    Lifeaholics Of America
    author-unpublished
    “All American Party”
    How Democrats created a great Middle Class
    and Conservatives are determined to destroy it

    • http://ppastoret@q.com Phil Pastoret

      I’ll bet you have a nice collection of Jane Fonda and Sean Penn videos too. Don’t you?

      • Barb

        Way to go Phil, best way to deal with someone like this one! SHEEEEEESH!

      • JeffH

        IGNORE_IGNORE_IGNORE

    • blackhat

      Such growth with a Republican congress…well done!

      • John

        Good point – I have always voted a split ticket. If I vote republican for president, I vote dems for congress and senate and vise versa. Our country just seems to run better when one party does not have a lock on power.

        • JeffH

          Why not cut cards, roll the dice or pick straws. Just as sensible.

          • John

            ya probably still better than blindly voting for the same party regardless of who’s running

          • JeffH

            I agree 100% that voting party because of affiliation is worse than cutting cards. If we all did our homework, put the parties out of the picture and used just the least bit of common sense to make our choices at the polls, we might not be having this conversation. Well, as long as humans are involved, I guess we will have them afterall.

    • Rob

      Hi Clarence
      I agree with much of what you say.
      But I don’t believe for a second anything Bill Clinton did resulted in any kind of real prosperity. There is always a delay from when the shoe drops until it hits the floor. Clinton’s decade of prosperity was not real. It was all borrowed money, housing money, stock bubble money and optimism. It was wealth created from nothing, inflated stock prices, housing prices…the illusion of wealth. But it sure felt real.
      It was like being on drugs, you feel good, but its really, really unhealthy.
      Today we pay the price for all that.

      Some misguided fools want a return to Reagan or Clinton era prosperity. A return to federal borrowing and spending as a form of prosperity, or paper wealth? When the price of a stock is really worth $20.00 a share, but you buy it for $50. then sell it for $100, that money comes from other buyers. But in the end someone is always left holding the bag. And that happened on a grand scale in 2000. The same thing is playing out in housing as homeowners are holding more debt than their houses are worth, learning NOTHING from the stock market meltdown of 2000, and clinging onto false beliefs that houses are an investment, and phrases such as, “Real estate is the safest investment, it always goes up.”
      Not so, as they are all finding out.

      • Richard

        I agree Rob, but I might warn you…you are arguing with an idiot

      • JeffH

        Rob, don’t be so naive to think this guy is making a point or contributing to anything more than “diturbing the peace”. He isn’t here to have conversation, he’s here because that is what he does.

      • John

        I agree, Rob there is a lag in how the economy responds. But explain why the same logic does not apply to the current president? If there is that much lag then our current problem is clearly caused by the last president, but you would not know that reading here.

  • Termite75

    One person accurately pointed out that we should elect people who will sign a pledge to uphold the constitution regardless of party affiliation, I agree! Another person stated the Harvard type politician appears to have an elitist attitude, and knows better what we need, than we do. That is an indication we need to take a serious look at the entire education system and weed out educators and policy’s who don’t adhere to the principles of our constitution. Our educators have been getting progressively farther and farther away from teaching our Republics history and our Republics Constitution and Bill of Rights, and instead teaching progressive philosophy based on absolute Government rule.

    • laura

      75-
      That’s right, making all those little ones coming up ignorant, communist, worker bees, who won’t know any different.

      GOD BLESS
      Laura

  • Willie B

    If you have not read anyrhing about what will happen 12-21-2012 you should look it up. This world may be a thing of the past then and all our government wille gone. Tghis has beem on TV and in the news.
    Very scarry!!

    • JeffH

      That would certainly solve all the problems on earth.

  • Richard

    Well, a corporation wasn’t allowed to be formed unless there was proof that it would be for the public good until John D. Rockefeller bought off Delaware. How could fascism be curtailed at that point? At what point do you end socialism? Florida has proven that privatization costs much more than State ran services. People don’t want to pay $20 or $30 to drive onto a highway. People with children don’t want to pay $10k-$20k per child per year for school – and don’t want me to quit paying taxes to educate their idiots do they? Nor do they want to give up the socialistic deduction for dependents on their taxes. I will gladly pay $20/mile to drive on a highway when I don’t have to pay for other people’s kids. But reality is most “anti-socialists” wouldn’t give up the socialism that benefits them.

    • Richard

      Are you actually calling highways socialist programs? If you are….please change you name.

      • Richard

        Yes highways are a socialist program.
        If you pay taxes to support something that is for everyone then it is socialist.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    RECENT VIRGINIA CHURCH SERVICE -STIMULUS SERMON

    I would love to give the Pastor of this predominantly black church in Virginia a hug and a high five.
    This guy is obviously a leader and not one of the sheep.
    Perhaps we should each decide who our real leader is….. It is amazing to see that very little has changed in 4,000 years.

    Good morning, brothers and sisters; it’s always a delight to see the pews crowded on Sunday morning,
    and so eager to get into God’s Word. Turn with me in your Bibles,
    if you will to the 47th chapter of Genesis, we’ll begin our reading at verse 13, and go through verse 27.

    Brother Ray, would you stand and read that great passage for us?
    ….(reading)…Thank you for that fine reading, Brother Ray… So we see that economic hard times fell upon Egypt ,
    and the people turned to the government of Pharaoh to deal with this for them.
    And Pharaoh nationalized the grain harvest, and placed the grain in great storehouses that he had built. So the people brought their money to Pharaoh, like a great tax increase,
    and gave it all to him willingly in return for grain. And this went on until their money ran out, and they were hungry again.

    So when they went to Pharaoh after that, they brought their livestock, their cattle, their horses, their sheep, and their donkey – to barter for grain, and verse 17 says that only took them through the end of that year..

    But the famine wasn’t over, was it? So the next year, the people came before Pharaoh and admitted they had nothing left, except their land and their own lives. “There is nothing left in the sight of my lord but our bodies and our land. Why should we die before your eyes, both we and our land? Buy us and our land for food, and we with our land will be servants to Pharaoh.” So they surrendered their homes, their land, and their real estate to Pharaoh’s government, and then sold themselves into slavery to him, in return for grain. What can we learn from this, brothers and sisters?

    That turning to the government instead of to God to be our provider in hard times only leads to slavery?
    Yes.
    That the only reason government wants to be our provider is to also become our master?

    Yes.

    But look how that passage ends, brothers and sisters! Thus Israel settled in the land of Egypt, in the land of Goshen…And they gained possessions in it, and were fruitful and multiplied greatly.” God provided for His people, just as He always has! They didn’t end up giving all their possessions to possessions to government, no, it says they gained possessions! But I also tell you a great truth today, and an ominous one.

    We see the same thing happening today – the government today wants to “share the wealth “once again, to take it from us and redistribute it back to us. It wants to take control of healthcare, just as it has taken control of education, and ration it back to us, and when government rations it, then government decides who gets it, and how much, and what kind. And if we go along with it, and do it willingly, then we will wind up no differently than the people of Egypt did four thousand years ago – as slaves to the government, and as slaves to our leaders.

    What Mr. Obama’s government is doing now is no different from what Pharaoh’s government did then, and it will end the same.

    And a lot of people like to call Mr. Obama a “Messiah,” don’t they?

    Is he a Messiah?

    A savior?

    Didn’t the Egyptians say, after Pharaoh made them his slaves, “You have saved our lives; may it please my lord, we will be servants to Pharaoh”?

    Well, I tell you this, I know the Messiah; the Messiah is a friend of mine; and Mr. Obama is no Messiah! No, brothers and sisters, if Mr. Obama is a character from the Bible, then he is Pharaoh.

    Bow with me in prayer, if you will.

    Lord, You alone are worthy to be served, and we rely on You, and You alone.

    We confess that the government is not our deliverer, and never rightly will be.

    We read in the eighth chapter of 1 Samuel, when Samuel warned the people of what a ruler would do, where it says “And in that day you will cry out because of your king, whom you have chosen for yourselves, but the LORD will not answer you in that day.”
    And Lord, we acknowledge that day has come. We cry out to you because of the ruler that we have chosen for ourselves as a nation. Lord, we pray for this nation. We pray for revival, and we pray for deliverance from those who would be our masters.

    Give us hearts to seek You and hands to serve You, and protect Your people from the atrocities of Pharaoh’s government.

    In God We Trust…

    You may consider sharing this with others.

    Have a nice day.

    • JeffH

      Couldn’t you copy and paste or provide a link for what you didn’t say in your own words…I won’t waste my time filtering through these extended posts.

      • JeffH

        Not my post again.

        • libertytrain

          Looks like someone heard you. I saw them too — what a jerk he/she was-

    • kilrntex

      I’m impressed with your message. In one way or another you are related to BILLY GRAHAM, whether you are white or black. I believe that our God is colorblind and so are real Christians. That is why my beef with Obama is in policy, not color. Progs want to distort the truth about Americans. They don’t understand because they never had a personal relationship with God and they think we are as they are. You have the far left and the far right doing battle for this country of ours. I could be much more radical to the right than I am, but my faith keeps me in line, praying for the left rather than more extreme measures called for by millions of other patriots. I only hope and pray that we can make it to November before our economy collapses. If Obama makes all the illegals legal, that will break our backs and socialism will become a reality. I will share this message with my buddies on the web.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        KILRNTEX__THAT’S THE SAME THING I ALWAYS TELL THE LIBS__ SLAVERY AND THE 60′S ARE OVER, GET OVER IT__I COULD CARE LESS IF OBAMA IS PURPLE, IF THE POLICY STINKS, IT STINKS ON POLICY!

  • FreedomFighter

    CRAP SHOOTERS IS THERE ONE INTELLIGENT INFORMED WRITER ON THIS FORUM? I WOULD LIKE TO READ ONE.
    ———————————————————————-

    Surprised you even hit the bowl with that one.

    If you really know history, you will find that all of todays problems can be traced to the growth of Maxist/socialist/progressive/liberal programs. They disguse it with morality, do-good rhetric and pleasing labels, when in truth it all is designed to destroy our way of life in America.

    Once our American system collapses under the weight of out of control social programs it was not intended to/or designed for. The socialist/communist elit will claim “It dosnt work”

    The whole time, they the Maxist/socialist/progressive/liberal elite sabotaged and perverted and will offer a “solution”.

    It will cost you your freedom, your country, your children will bonded and indentured to economic state slavery.

    FreedomFighter

    • Reader

      Under cover of the name Democrat Party, a weed called socialism/communism was carefully and quietly planted about the time of the McCarthy Hearings, and has been carefully cultivated through the years, unnoticed by the majority as the tender weed grew stronger (and you might know how strong weeds are and can take over AND DESTROY a wonderful garden if not searched out by an attentive gardener and brutally ripped out by the roots). Everyone should do some “startpage.com” (they don’t keep files on people’s searches) and “google”research on “Progressive Democrats of America,” starting with Wikipedia. We are all deceived about what has been growing in the Democrat party for quite a while… and has resulted in the socialist/communist power now attempting to destroy our fantastic country, the best country ever on this planet. Our 3 branches are infiltrated with occupiers pretending to be Americans, who have just been waiting for their chance to reveal their true “weedhood” and take over and destroy our garden, eating up our fertile soil.

      • eyeswideopen

        Reader, you mean like the John Birch Society who has now hooked up with the repubs/conservatives???? Yea, that bunch is really something to be proud of …..NOT!!!

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    From: James Graham

    From: S STEELE
    Subject: FW: Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution

    As a widow of a military retiree, who stood with her husband for over 20 years while he served this country (which was the greatest in the world until this Congress and President took over), I have to say I agree. Shirley

    As a retired military man that have given over twenty-seven years of my life to my country, I truly feel that what this
    Country needs most is a new amendment to the Constitution . I am recommending that we add the 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES.

    For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that Congress members could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they didn’t pay into Social Security, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform that is being considered…in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn’t seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don’t care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.

    This is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has come, Jim.

    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

    “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Congressman, Senators and Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Congressman. Senators and Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States”.

    This 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES Will apply to all passed, present and future
    congressman, Senators And Representatives.
    Just think how must money this action would save the tax payers!!!!!

    HTCM USN Retired James A. Graham E-Mail address is ( jagraham@charter.net ) Please forward !!!!!!!

    • Tazio2013

      Kudos to you Mr. Graham; after scrolling through hundreds of polarizing diatribes from left-wing loonies and right-wing wackos alike, it was indeed a rare pleasure to read a posting that made perfect sense, can be accomplished in a reasonable amount of time and is a well-intentioned activity that the majority of voters will support. Semper Fi!

  • Reader

    What do you know about the Progressive Democrats of America organization? If you investigate, you will start to understand what happened. Many people today are Democrats because their parents, grandparents, family were all Democrats. Perhaps they remember hearing or saw for themselves, the many unacceptable actions of the Republicans, so they remain Democrats. However, it’s no longer their “Daddy’s Democrat Party” it has a fast growing weed that sprouted inside and has taken it over completely. The Republican party claims adherence to the Constitution and our laws but does nothing to stand up for those principles and laws. Like the socialist/communist invaders of the Democrat Party under the name Progressive Democrats of America, perhaps it is time for another invader to grow inside the REPUBLICAN party – an invader that strongly defends the Constitution, our laws and our sovereignty and our industry and educational system… the way they were established and intended to operate in our country. The invader in the Republican Party will be the Tea Party organization. THAT organization must be carefully watched and tended by citizens… it is our trojan horse to RETURN the Republican party to it’s principles, and then defend the USA from the Progressive Democrats of America. There is no longer a Democrat Party…. We must do the same thing the socialist/communists did to the Democrat Party, but do it as AMERICANS to the Republican Party. What do you think?

    • blackhat

      Hear! Hear! Well said!

  • Richard

    Tea party is a Republican joke on people that want Republicans to be for them.

    • loulou

      No the Tea party is trying to wake up the GOP. It’s conservatives that are sick of voting conservative only to find that their own party only thinks conservative part of the time. The GOP for a while there was moving to the middle – not even sure if they aren’t there now. Very wishy washy just trying to get votes. Give me a conservative that’s not afraid to get up there and stay conservative.

      I don’t belong to the “tea party” but I’m thankful to them for showing the GOP that conservatives don’t like what the GOP was doing.

      The boston tea party was about taxation without representation. You know – just like what just happened to healthcare. 60%+ say No, yet they vote it in anyway? Do you feel represented? I think calling it the tea party is pretty perfect.

      • Richard

        No- the Tea Party is Republican game play – nothing but a joke on coonseratives.

        • TIME

          Richard, I see your a good little Raciest by your posted comment.
          Nothing like ones true colors showing.

          • Richard

            Not hardly – simply didn’t spell check. As if conservatives are black?

          • JeffH

            Richard, a died in the wool racist…didn’t get the first one by and certainly not the second one. Isn’t it wonderful that everything is black and white with you. You really need to get out more instead of hibernating in mommy’s basement watching Madcow and Obberego laugh at themselves

    • Reader

      Nah, Richard… The Tea Party is a Strategy, not a political party. Not many members, (minus a few infiltrators who want to disrupt or report back to their socialist/commie pals) but all other members are real Americans, your everyday good ol’ common American citizens (not that there is anything common about an American). It’s a strategy to Take Back the Republican Party. You’ll see a lot of the weeds in the Republican Party sticking flowers in the nets covering their field helmuts to try to disguise their weedhood. Soldiers in WWII etc had nets over their helmuts in which they stuck branches to hide themselves as they advanced or were in enemy territory. McCain is sticking Palin in his helmut. He has done nothing to protect OUR State of Arizona borders or any other border. He has betrayed us and grafted himself to the growing strength of the weeds… now he’s recognizing he is in trouble, and is trying to look like an American again but we have seen his weedhood. What Palin is doing supporting him is good for the Tea Party to see. She’s out. She has succumbed to a tricked offer of an Adventure TV show so watch her slide into it and never be in politics again. These Tea Party fighters are the same as the Patriots who dressed up to fool their enemy and get the job done – an effective Protest with impact on the enemy… THESE Tea Party people are focusing on the weeds in the Republican Party and will pull them out by the roots and discard them. How does that sound to you?

    • JeffH

      Richard…if you said it, it must be true. NOT!

      • JeffH

        Richard says:
        March 29, 2010 at 9:01 am
        No- the Tea Party is Republican game play – nothing but a joke on coonseratives.

        Do not believe for one second that his play on words was a typo! A subtle attempt to slip one past.

        • eyeswideopen

          Of course the judge and jury, Jeff has spoken. Therefore it must be true….

          • JeffH

            The proof is in the pudding oh mighty blind one.

  • Cujo47

    You are so right FreedomFighter, that is their plan and has been all along. But we cannot blame Acorn alone on this one. The MSM is responsible for this take over of our country and must be held responsible.

  • Sarah Ruth

    The simple route is to find a scapegoat (Obama, socialism, Acorn et al).
    Simple route is for simple minded.

    This had been going on for decades.

    Our government sold us out to the profits of war long ago. (during and shortly after WW II).

    Our government sold us out again when they allowed insurance companies out of the anti-trust safeguards.

    Our government sold us out again when they allowed corporations to have the same legal standing as an individual citizen with none of the responsibility.

    Ronald Reagan broke his oath of office and lied and sold weapons illegally to Saddam Hussein.

    Oliver North broke his oath and lied to Congress.

    Instead of paying for their crimes, they are promoted to near sainthood and as leadership on the Fox channel.

    Take a step back and get a wider vision of the problem.
    It is not one person nor one incident that has brought us to the abyss.
    It is decades of lies and cover-ups and corruption and hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle.
    It is the daily dose of divisive spew fed to the masses like pablum to be regurgitated on cue.

    We are a nation divided.
    Obama didn’t bring us to this point.
    We did.

    Sarah Ruth

    • Reader

      Yes, Sara Ruth, the weeds have been trying to strangle our garden since we were taken into WWII and the citizens then did not want to join… They REFUSED, and Roosevelt was not getting anywhere changing their minds.

      Then, the 9/11 of WWII was pulled, called Pearl Harbor, and bless their good hearts, those great countrymen of ours jumped to retaliate against Japan for their attack… which to this day Japan claims they gave us ADVANCE warning…

      The thing is, we are constantly under attack by the groups who are jealous little guys and can’t do anything on their own except undermine and sneak and destroy. We must start staring evil in the face and chasing it out of our government. You are so right, this invasion and attack on us has been underway for a long time. Oh boy, Americans are starting to sit up and take notice. The Sleeping Dog is starting to growl.

      Ya know, that phrase Home of the Brave should be tacked on our “fences” like those signs “Beware of The Dog” signs telling people there is a dog that is dangerous to invaders behind that fence.

      Our sign should be “WARNING: HOME OF THE BRAVE”

      (“Land of the Free, Home of the Brave” wasn’t a sugary sentiment or brag, it was MEANT as a WARNING!!)

      • blackhat

        Reader, conspiracy theories aside…The Japanese intended to issue a declaration of war a few hours prior to the attack, but the diplomats botched it and issued the declaration after the attack began. The Japanese govt was shamed by this breach of protocol. That is what really happened. My point is that 9/11 had many warning signs, but to believe that it was allowed, or even assisted in by our govt assumes an intricate conspiracy that requires a huge illogical leap of faith. The rest of your points regarding lost republics, however, is weel taken.

        • blackhat

          “well” taken!

          • Reader

            Thanks for the message.

            About 9/11… if there were “warning signs” who saw them and what did they do about them?

            About the Pearl… do you know where on the net it is explained that the Japanese tried (and by what means they tried) to give us advance warning, and who in the Japanese Empire made that statement?

            One thing about 9/11, I haven’t checked all those net sources, do you know where we can get a list of the names of all the people who died in the three (3) buildings that all fell in the same manner, and a category list of those names listed under the companies they worked for? Also, there certainly were visitors whose names should have been provided by relatives/friends who wwere aware of their presence in the buildings and who were missing… We have been given a total death number, but where are the names? If they have a count, they must have the bodies in some form, to count, and a listing of relatives for the financial payouts.

            We have an engraved monument in DC showing the names, ranks, etc. of those killed during the Viet Nam war. Why can’t we have at least a listing available on the net of those killed in the 3 buildings? Do you know?

          • blackhat

            Reader, any good history book with footnotes will give the story of Pearl much better than I can. Look, there were plenty of bad coincidences that came about to cause us to get caught on Dec 7. But, I don’t see any evidence of collusion with the US govt. Give the Japanese some credit. They planned and executed a well coordinated and successful attack. As for lists of victims, there are a plethora of sites. Just google names of victims of 911. CNN has a very nice memorial, but there are a lot of other good ones as well.

          • Reader

            Blackhat, there isn’t a reply button on your 11:44am comment so I clicked a reply on one of your other comments.

            Thanks for the guidance in finding 911 list of victims. Will do that.

            Thanks for your Pearl Harbor comments… I haven’t read a lot of Pearl Harbor books, but there have been comments and articles through the years about the Japanese giving us advance warning but the man “on duty” who was operating the telex/communication wires, supposedly intentionally dumped the message. Looks like that guy would have been hauled up to the rope and orange crate by the military, so it doesn’t make sense… unless superiors i.e. the President who wanted us to join the war, gave the command… so, there are many reasons we DO NOT TRUST our politicians… now, especially untrustworthy is anyone who HIDES his birth certificate and passport and school registrations etc. by Executive Order and hires tons of attorneys to clobber anyone who tries to legally gain access to those documents that have been HISTORICALLY available to citizens. What are we supposed to do??? Ignore that fact? WHY would a President not be PROUD of his documents and WANT those who voted for him to have access to them?? Sorry, for the carry-away… this really is annoying along with everything else happening. No time for any more comments… Good luck everybody, this is really a good site with interesting comments.

    • JeffH

      Ahhhh Sarah, Obama wants America to be divided. Ever hear the term “divide and conquer”? If he and his bosses have their way!

      “A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage — the political paradise of communism.”

      “An organizer working in and for an open society is in an ideological dilemma to begin with, he does not have a fixed truth — truth to him is relative and changing; everything to him is relative and changing…. To the extent that he is free from the shackles of dogma, he can respond to the realities of the widely different situations….”

      By Saul Alinsky

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    Perhaps we’re overlooking a solution to the problem of (mostly democraps) politicians who exempt themselves from national health/hell care, etc. WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS AN AMENDMENT TO OUR CONSTITUTION – which will force all politicians (Federal, state and local levels) to live under the same laws which they impose onto us, the citizens!!!! Then, and only then, will they think twice before passing such outrageous, detrimental and unwanted bad legislation…..BTW – check out these websites: http://www.recallcongressnow.org and http://www.repealitpledge.com

  • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

    And we are trying to keep our Republic Bob, that’s great article!_As I’ve said before that although I don’t feel defeated, I’m just sad_Sad at the very aspect that the America I knew as a kid, may soon be gone__my Grandpop use to tell me “If we don’t stand for somehting we’ll fall for everything”( He told me who’d said that, butI don’t remember the original author of that phrase) and we have fallin, fallin for everything. Lies, deceit, back room deals and your right the repubs were/are just as bad at socializing America, but voting repub for me, is the lesser of two evils. I’m tired of hearing the Constitution is outdated, in as much I’m tired of the Liberals interpetating it, to suit their agenda.We’re pushed farther from the goodness that founders intended. Our history has been re written, the young have been indoctrinated to believe we’re entitled to everything, just by being born!__and it just makes me sick!_But, Are we the Generation that’s allowed this to happen?___Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness__These new agers are nothing but bunch of sheep, following the shepherd in search of the utopic waters of life__They graze and wait for the signal of the master and they follow again. The sheperd promise’s his sheep a utopic garden in the land of plenty. Instead of placing hope in God the sheep worship, things, people, belongings, money.__Our life, family and our well being is our own responsibility, we are not responsible to help make someone else wealthy!_-I think we each have a right to make our way, prosper which ever way we see fit. No matter how much or how little. I’m not one of the sheep and neither is most of Americans__
    You can lead the sheep to water, but you CAN’T MAKE THEM DRINK!

  • http://www.oaktreepublishing.ca J.D.

    Blah blah blah…. Rob and I seem to be the only ones who understand the real issue…the rest is just fancy talk…both parties are screwing us…and by the way I truly wish I was wrong….but the evidence is overwhelming…

    • blackhat

      JD, I for one, and I believe many more, aren’t stuck on the “party mentality”. I will say that many democratic operatives have adopted the tactic of saying that both parties are the problem. It is a great way to divide the conservative/libertarian movement started at the grass roots level. The fact is that many more conservative thinkers reside in the republican party, but some have began to manifest thier political motivations outside the party in the tea party movement and others. It scares the democratic party that libertarians and conservatives might find a way to combine thier political muscle and defeat the current socialist agenda being enacted by this democratic administration. Yes, I am a life long Republican, but have and will cast my vote to help a conservative/libertarian leaning candidate regardless of party (or, no party) affiliation. Many more voters are beginning to steer this way, and that frightens dems too.

      • Reader

        Looks like I’m in the same boat with you, blackhat.

      • JeffH

        Speaks volumes for many of us. Thanks!

  • loulou

    WOW. After reading some of these posts, I understand now that LSD really does have lasting affects.

    How bout we do a little experiment. All Democrats(or like minded) move west, all republicans(or like minded) move east. We split the country down the middle – Dems can only tax dems – repubs can only tax repubs. After 5 years, lets see who is doing better. My guess is that the east will buy the west out because its going to go bankrupt and the east will still have a lessor tax rate.

    I still find it amazing that although dem’s say they are for helping the poor, they give less to charity than the repubs do – yet the dems have the “celebrity” millionaires on their side. Talks cheap people. Action speaks louder. Do it in november.

    • JeffH

      Send the liberal socialists to the east, save the west for the best!

  • kate

    Could someone tell me what the everyday people, not the elites, that voted for the socialists hope to gain? Won’t they be part of the have nots and not the haves?

    • loulou

      Because unfortunately 52% of this country wants something for nothing. But when there are more wanting a hand out than are paying for the handouts, we go under. He made lots of promises that many could have something for free. Now he’s trying to pay of it. And then we go under.

      In KY, I was told people were voting Obama because they didn’t want to seem racist. Since when does the color of skin have any to do with voting for president. Heck, they could be green for all I care if they’re the right person.

      In Wisconsin, there are billboards up on the highways saying IMPEACH OBAMA – he’s killing small business. In Minnesota, they are putting up billboards also. Hey America voted him in, they were wrong but the choices up there were not great. I don’t like McCain – I respect his war career and he has earned my thanks there but as president, nope. I voted for him because in my book he was the lesser evil. Where are our heros?

      “The trouble with using other people money to fund your policies is that eventually you run out of their money”

  • http://EARTHLINK W.HOMER CARLISLE

    I AM SO DISSAPOINTED THE WAY OUR COUNTRY SEEMS TO BE HEADED==THE WAY TO POWER==GET ELECTED UNDER DEMOCRATS=PROMISE EVERY THING ONE MIGHT WISH==BE A LITTLT BOY BLUE COME BLOW YOUR HORN==BE BLACK A SURE RACIST=EXAMPLE COLIN POWELL=NOT GREATFUL FOR RESPECT OF POSITION==PASS ALL DESTRUCTIVE LAWS SO THAT COUNTRY WILL BE IN POSITION FOR TAKE OVER==NEXT DICTATOR ==HAS YOUTH FORGOTEN HOW GREAT THOUGH ART IN A COUNTRY STILL BUT DOUGHTFUL=I AM 95 AND HATE TO GO WITHOUT KNOWING MY GRAND CHILDREN WILL BE FREE TO CLIMB THEIR HEIGTHS AND REAINS==GOD LOVEING AND FREE==THANK YOU IF YOU ARE ONE OF US=====—THANKS==WE NEED YOU===

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      w.homer carlisle____we’re still fighting for you Homer,there is enough of us out here, who feel just like you!___GOD BLESS YOU HOMER

    • loulou

      I hear ya Homer. Although all of this going on right now really sucks, I am encouraged just a bit by a 16 yr old conversation on facebook by a bunch of high school students.

      They were bashing what the goverment just did and giving sound examples why it shouldn’t have been done. Realizing that they had been duped by the Teachers etc telling them a vote for Obama was for the good. Kids were asked who they would vote for if they could in their classrooms and if they didnt say Obama, they were called racist. It was a 90/10 split in the high school for Obama. Those same kids are saying- OMG, what did we do? So I’m hoping the next generation is learning something.

  • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

    Your post this morning has a number of points that are clearly wrong and others that are at best debatable. To clarify my points, I will be using CAPS LOCK ON EACH POINT TO BE DISAGREED WITH OR DEBATED. It will be used only for clarification.

    YOU SAY, “current socialist-in-chief, President Barack Obama, and the socialist Democrat-controlled Congress”

    THIS WAS A POINT OF DEBATE WITH THE RESCUE OF THE BANKS UNDER REPUBLICANS AND FURTHER ACTIONS BY THE SUCCEEDING OBAMA ADMINISTRATION: WHETHER TO “SEIZE CONTROL” OR TAKE AN “EQUITY” SHARE OF THESE COMPANIES TO PRESERVE THE FRAMEWORK OF FREE ENTERPRISE TO AVOID FAILURE OF THESE BUSINESS ENTITIES AND, IN THE ARGUMENT OF “TOO BIG TO FAIL” DUE TO NON APPLICATION OF ANTI-TRUST PROVISION THAT RESULTED IN A DIRECT THREAT TO OUR ENTIRE ECONOMIC SYSTEM.

    YOU SAY, “Will the constant pounding and pounding on the Constitution by Obama and Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the rest of the socialist elite elected class—as they work to not just chip away at our nation’s foundation as progressives before them, but to obliterate it completely—never end?”

    IN SYSTEMS THEORY, ANY SYSTEM OVER A PERIOD OF TIME BECOMES LESS EFFICIENT DUE TO INCREASED FRICTION GENERATING LOST ENERGY. IN SOCIAL SYSTEMS THEORY, AS A SOCIETY EVOLVES THERE ARE REQUIRED MORE RULES TO ADDRESS ACTIONS THAT TAKE ENERGY FROM THE SYSTEM. THAT CATCH-22 IN TURN LOSES ENERGY. AS A LAW OF SYSTEMS THEORY, THE CONSTITUTION HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO EVOLVE WITH SMALLER ADUSTMENTS TO MAINTAIN THAT BASIC UNDERLYING SOCIAL CONTRACT TO RUN THIS COUNTRY. OUR COUNTRY HAS 200 YEARS ON ITSELF. WITH GOOD ADJUSTMENTS, IT WILL LAST FOR A VERY LONG TIME BASED ON THE PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE OUT OF WHICH CAME THE CONSTITUTION.

    YOU SAY, “Will the calls for a cap-and-trade …”

    WE LIVE IN AN AQUARIUM. ATTENTION HAS TO BE KEPT FOR WHAT GETS DUMPED INTO THE AQUARIUM TO AVOID HAVING EVERYBODY FLOATING AT THE BOTTOM. CAP-AND-TRADE WAS AND IS A BUSH II FREE ENTERPRISE CONCEPT TO START MOVING THE ENTIRE SYSTEM TO BETTER CONTROL AIR POLLUTION. IT WILL INCREASE ENERGY COSTS BUT WILL DECREASE SYSTEM COSTS IN OTHER AREAS LIKE BETTER SOCIETAL HEALTH.

    YOU SAY, “Will the spending and the money printing and currency debasement never end?”

    THIS IS A TYPICAL RON PAUL LIBERTARIAN DR. DEATH VIEW OF THE AMERICAN AND ANY OTHER ECONOMY. THE ONLY WAY TO HAVE GROWN ECONOMICALLY WITH THE MASSIVE INFRACSTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT, THERE HAS TO BE A “FAITH AND CREDIT” OF ANY COUNTRY BEHIND IT’S CURRENCY TO GET BEYOND THE BARTER SYSTEM OF THE CAVE MAN ECONOMIES.

    CHINA HAS SET IT CURRENCY AT AN ARTIFICIALLY LOW RATE DRAINING OFF TRADE AND DUMPING CHEAP GOODS BACK IN THE AMERICAN ECONOMY AT PLACES LIKE WALLMART. TRADE AGREEMENTS LIKE NAFTA AND CAFTA HAVE ALLOWED THE CORPORATE INTERNATIONAL SOCIALISTS, LIKE WHIRLPOOL CLOSING A MANUFACTURING PLANT IN OHIO AND SHIPPING SOME 760 JOBS TO MEXCO. THAT IS THE KIND OF SOCIALISM THAT HAS LONG UNDERMINED THIS COUNTRY AND IS WRAPPED IN A FASCIST STRATEGY OF BUYING OUT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS WHENEVER AND WHEREEVER POSSIBLE. AND WHEN THE COMPLETE RINGWORMING OF A COUNTRY’S ECONOMY HAS BEEN COMPLETED REDUCING EVERYONE BUT A SELECT FEW TO A STATE OF IMPOVERISHMENT, THESE CORPORATE INTERNATIONAL SOCIALS WILL MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY AND START AGAIN, JUST LIKE HALIBURTON DID IN MOVING TO SAUDIA ARABIA.

    YOU SAY, “Obama-Pelosi-Reid triumvirate worked to enact a socialist, European-style big government healthcare system on America.”

    WE COULD ONLY BE SO LUCKY. WE DID NOT GET A SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM NOR EVEN A PUBLIC OPTION THAT COULD HAVE FORCE AN EFFICIENT, PROFIT FREE ZONE FOR PEOPLE WITH LOWER SALARIES SHOP FOR INSURANCE. BUT WE DID REQUIRE A POOLING OF ALL AMERICANS TO PARTICIPATE IN A SHARED RISK AND CONTROLED THE UNSUSTAINABLE UPWARD SPIRALING OF COST OF THIS PROFIT DRIVEN CORPORATE INTERNATIONAL SOCIALIST THAT I ALSO CALL FASCISTS.

    YOU SAY, “…latest CNN/Opinion Research poll…”

    WHICH POLL AND ON WHICH DAY DO YOU WANT TO PULL UP. I HAVE SEEN A CNN/OPINION RESEARCH POLL THAT SAYS THAT 48% OF PEOPLE ARE HAPPY WITH THE HEALTH CARE REFORM WHILE 40% ARE NOT. AARP HAD A SERIES OF POLLS BEFORE THE REFORM LAW WAS PASSED AND ALL OF THEM SHOWED A STRONG OPINION THAT SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE DONE TO FIX THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.

    YOU SAY, “They said “no” to the cost which kept growing and growing”

    AGAIN, WHAT PART OF GROWING DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND? THAT PART THAT SPIRALED COSTS TO BE $1 OF EVERY $6 OF NATIONAL BUDGET TO $1 OF EVERY $3 WITHIN 10 YEARS PRIOR TO REFORM. OR DO YOU MEAN THE SAVINGS OF $130 BILLION IN 10 YEARS AND $1.2 TRILLION IN 20 YEARS AND EXTENDING TO VIABLE FINANCIAL HEALTH OF MEDICARE FOR ANOTHER 10 YEARS UNDER THE 2010 HEALTH CARE LAW? THE TRUTH IS, THE AVERAGE AGE OF THE AMERICAN POPULATION IS INCREASING. WITH THAT INCREASE ARE INCREASED COSTS OF HEALTH CARE NO MATTER WHAT SYSTEM YOU USE. THE ALTERNATIVE IS A FASCIST SYSTEM SUCH AS THE ONE USED IN GERMANY LEADING UP TO AND INCLUDING WWII.

    YOU SAY, “They said “no” by marching on Washington D.C., by the tens of thousands. They said “no” through the Tea Parties. They said so through calls and letters. They said “no” at town hall meetings. They said “no,” “no,” “No,” “NO!”

    BESIDES MARCHING ON WASHINGTON, THESE PEOPLE WERE ENGAGING IN THREATS. THAT KIND OF TALK LEADS TO ACTION WHICH LEADS TO MARSHALL LAW THAT IN TURN SHUTS DOWN THE CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM WE ARE ALL IN FAVOR OF. THAT OPENS THE DOOR WIDE OPEN FOR THE TYPE OF DICTATORIAL FASCISM THAT YOU ALSO DO NOT WANT.

    YOU SAY, “Pelosi, Reid and Obama—they understand. They just don’t care. It’s the progressive way.”

    THE CONSERVATIVE CAME FORWARD WITH NO PLAN. THEY PUBLISHED NO PLAN IN WHOLE OR IN PART. THEIR CLAIMED APPROACH WAS A PIECEMEAL DEALING THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CHEWED UP BY CORPORATE HEALTH CARE LOBBYISTS AND WOULD HAVE RESULTED IN INEFFECTIVE AND BUDGET DESTROYING ADJUSTMENTS. IT WAS A SYSTEM OVERHAUL THAT COULD NOT BE AVOIDED FOR ANY WAY TO BEGIN TO ADDRESS THE UNSUSTAINABLE UPWARD COST SPIRAL OF OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.

    YOU SAY, “That’s the legislative process. If a Senator didn’t get something he wasn’t doing his job.”

    UNFORTUNATELY, THAT’S WHAT WE ALL WANT OUR REPRESENTATIVES DO. IT’S JUST THE OTHER JERKS THAT ARE DOING THE SAME THING THAT WE RESENT.

    A BETTER SYSTEM WOULD BE A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT THAT WOULD REQUIRE A SINGLE PURPOSE LEGISLATION LOCKING OUT ANY PORK BARRELS ROLED ON TO THE BACK OF ANY BILL. BUT THERE YOU GO, WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF THAT WITH THE POLITICAL GAMEPLAYING THAT GOES ON IN D.C.? AND YOU WOULD AGAIN BE ADDING MORE TO THE CONSTITUTION THAT COULD INTERFERE WITH CLAIMS OF REMAINING “FUNDAMENTALISTIC”.

    YOU SAY, “the Constitution limits their power over the citizenry and power is what the socialist elected elites seek.”

    THE SAME CAN BE SAID OF THE POWER USED BY THE CORPORATE INTERNATIONAL SOCIALISTS, ALSO KNOWN AS FASCISTS. AGAIN, CORPORATE FINANCE LAWS HAD BEEN ENACTED WITH LIMITED GOOD RESULTS UNDER A BI-PARTISAN LAW SPONSORED BY MCCAIN-FEINGOLD. UNFORTUNATELY, THE ROBERTS SUPREME COURT SAW FIT TO ENGAGE IN “JUDICIAL ACTIVISM” OVERTURNING YEARS OF CASE LAW PRECEDENT AND DECLARED CORPORATIONS AS LEGAL ENTITIES HAVING THE SAME BILL OF RIGHTS FREE SPEECH ABILITY.

    ANOTHER CONSITITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO REQUIRE GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZATION OF ELECTIONS TO CLEARLY SHOW THAT ANY OTHER CONTRIBUTION OF THE CAMPAIGN COFFERS OF CANDIDATES AND ELECTED OFFICIALS WOULD BE A BRIBE? I WOULD SUPPORT THAT, AND TERM LIMITS TOO. BUT IS THAT A PROGRESSIVE IDEA THAT CHANGES THE CONSTITUTION AND FURTHER LIMITS OUR FREEDOMS?

    YOU SAY, “putting together a bill that reformed the health insurance system by letting the free market system work rather than further empowering government”

    THE FREE MARKET FAILED. THE FREE MARKET DOES NOT DEAL WITH DEFECTIVE PRODUCTS THAT UNDERMINE PROFIT. THE DEFECTIVE PRODUCTS IN THIS CASE WOULD BE SERVICES FOR ELDERLY AND PEOPLE WITH CHRONIC HEALTH PROBLEMS. WHAT WOULD THE FREE MARKET DO WITH THESE PEOPLE, PUSH THEM OFF A CLIFF OR BURN THEM IN OVENS LIKE FASCIST GERMANY?

    YOU SAY, “the Slaughter Rule, also known as Deem and Pass—to pass it.”

    THIS IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED. WITH THE NUMBERS OF PHONE CALLS MADE TO REPRESENTATIVES, IT BECAME CLEAR THAT IT WAS NOT NECESSARY TO JUST AGREE WITH THE SENATE BILL WITH A RECONCILIATION AMENDMENT. THESE ARE RULES LONG ESTABLISHED AND USED 22 TIMES SINCE 1981, 9 TIMES BY REPUBLICANS CONTROLING BOTH HOUSES, 6 TIMES BY DEMOCRATS CONTROLING BOTH HOUSES AND 7 TIMES BY A PARTISAN AGREEMENT WHERE THE CONTROL OF THE HOUSES WERE SPLIT.

    YOU SAY, “If the Constitution was important to the socialists there would be no provisions mandating that people buy something”

    UNDER ARTICLE 10 COMMERCE CONTROL CLAUSE SUPPORTED BY 200 YEARS OF CASE LAW, THE GOVERNMENT HAS THE POWER OF OVERSEE INTERSTATE COMMERCE FOR THE ECONOMIC HEALTH OF THE COUNTRY. SINCE HEALTH CARE AFFECTS THE ECONOMY AND AFFECTS COMMERCE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, IT IS WITHIN THE POWER OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT TO REQUIRE ALL CITIZENS TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE TO SUSTAIN THE POOLING OF RISK TO MAKE THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM VIABLE. WE HAVE REQUIRED PEOPLE TO PAY INTO SOCIAL SECURITY SINCE 1933 AND MEDICARE SINCE 1963 WITH NO OVERTURN OF THE REQUIREMENT THAT PEOPLE BUY INTO THOSE RETIREMENT AND HEALTH CARE SYSTEMS. THE USE OF TERMS SUCH AS “BUY INTO” SHOULD HAVE BEEN PLAINLY LABELED AS A “TAX”. BUT DUE TO TEA-PARTY AND “VOO-DOO” ECONOMICS, THAT WAS SEEN AS A NEEDLESS DISTRACTION THAT COULD HAVE FAILED THE ENTIRE NEEDED LEGISLATION.

    YOU SAY, “What’s next on their agenda: Another stab at amnesty for illegals, another run at cap-and-trade, a gun grab, a value added tax?”

    THE CORPORATE INTERNATIONAL SOCIALISTS WANT AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS. THEY HIDE BEHIND THE CHURCHY-GROUPS AND SPANISH AMERICAN ACTIVISTS WHO HOLLER FOR CIVIL RIGHTS FOR THESE ILLEGALS. NOBODY DIRECTLY CHALLENGES THEM THAT THE JOBS TAKEN BY THESE ILLEGALS LOWERS THE FREE MARKET NEGOTIATIONS THAT COULD PROVIDE HIGHER TAX PAYING JOBS TO SUPPORT THE MIDDLE CLASS.

    CAP AND TRADE IS A REASONABLE FREE MARKET APPROACH TO DEALING WITH LIMITING THE HEALTH COSTS OF AIR POLLUTION.

    A GUN GRAB WON’T HAPPEN. THERE IS WAY TOO MUCH RESISTANCE BY THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT WHO MIGHT NEED THESE GUNS TO GO AFTER EACH OTHER WHEN PARTISAN POLITICS BECOME TOO MODERATE IN IT’S RESULTS.

    A VALUE ADDED TAX, OR SALES TAX MIGHT BE THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE THE COUNTRY AND START PAYING DOWN THE NATIONAL DEBT. I WOULD ACCEPT IT ONLY TO SAVE THE COUNTRY, BUT IT IS A REGRESSIVE TAX THAT HITS THE LOWER CLASSESS OF PEOPLE HARDER THAN THOSE AT THE TOP. I WOULD FAR PREFER A FLAT TAX OF WHATEVER EQUAL PERCENT THAT APPLIED ACROSS THE INCOME LEVELS WOULD PAY OFF THE NATIONAL DEBT IN 30 YEARS, SORT OF LIKE A MORTGAGE, AND ADDRESS EACH YEARS BUDGET.

    AGAIN, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO REQUIRE THAT EVERYBODY HAVE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME OF FUNDING OUR GOVERNMENT. I WOULD ALSO GIVE A LINE ITEM VETO POWER TO THE PRESIDENT EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT IS GOING TO REGULARLY CAUSE ME ANGER.

    YOU SAY, “If the Constitution was important the government wouldn’t own General Motors, Chrysler, the financial industry and now, insurance companies.”

    AGAIN, YOU ARE WRONG! THE U.S. HAS AN EQUTIY SHARE THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN NECESSARY BUT FOR THE LACK OF FINANCIAL CONTROLS TO PREVENT DERIVATIVE SPECULATIONS THROUGH QUAINT ENGINEERED FUTURES CONTRACTS SO CONVOLUTED EVEN THEY DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE RISK FACTORS. GM AND CHRYSLER COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED IF THERE HAD BEEN ADEQUATE ANTI-TRUST PROVISIONS TO PREVENT THE UNRESTRAINED GROWTH AGAIN MAKING THEM “TOO BIG TOO FAIL”.

    YOU SAY, “wouldn’t be in the business of setting the salaries of everyone from the lowest level employee to the CEOs of large companies.”

    IF THE STOCKHOLDERS DID NOT STOP THE UNREASONABLE GROWTH OF THESE CEO’S, THAT IN TURN ENCOURAGED UNIONS TO DEMAND HIGHER SALARIES, AND IF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THESE COMPANIES DID NOT HAVE INCESTUOUS FINANANCIALLY UNDERSTANDINGS WITH THEIR CEO’S, WHEN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT STEPS IN AS AN EQUITY INVESTOR DUE TO BUSINESS FAILURES OF THESE COMPANIES, THESE SALARIES SHOULD BE REDUCED AND PEOPLE FIRED. THAT IS “FREE MARKET” WHEN YOU AKS UNCLE SAME TO HOLD YOUR HAND.

    I AM GLAD YOU RECOGNIZE AND UNDERSTAND THE CO-PARTISAN REPUBLICAN GUILT IN ALL OF THIS.

    YOU SAY, “So this is only the beginning of the socialist takeover of America”

    DEMOCRACY BY ITS VERY NATURE IS SOCIALISTIC. WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND AND ACT LIKE IT IS SOMETHING TO BE FEARED. IF WE THE PEOPLE HAVE ULTIMATE POWER OVER OUR GOVERNMENT, WE CAN CONTROL THE WORST ASPECTS OF REGULATIONS AND ON THE OTHER SIDE CONTROL THE ROBBER BARON ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL ENSLAVEMENT OF WE THE PEOPLE.

    YOU QUOTE, “Anti-Federalist No. 1: …If the people are to give their assent to the laws, by persons chosen and appointed by them, the manner of the choice and the number chosen”

    I DID NOT VERIFY YOUR QUOTE, BUT TAKING IT, AS IT IS, THE CONCEPT IS STRAIGHT FORWARD. THE MANNER OF CHOICE IS BEING DRAGGED INTO THE FASCIST ROBBER BARON ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL FASCISM WITH THE ONE-SIDED RANT RADIO GOING ON WITH THE CONSOLIDATION OF FCC MEDIA LICENSED SOURCES. UNDER REAGAN, THE “FAIRNESS DOCTRINE” WAS ABOLISHED THAT ENDED REQUIRED POLITICAL DEBATE WITH REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH SIDE OF AN ISSUE. VOTERS LOST THAT SOURCE OF INFORMATION TO MAKE INFORMED CHOICES AT THE BALLOT BOX.

    AND WITH THE UNITED CITIZENS VS. FEDERAL ELECTIONS COMMISSION RULING EARLY THIS YEAR BY THE ROBERTS COURT, THE CAPACITY FOR FASCIST CORPORATE CONTROL OF OUR GOVERNMENT TO POLITICALLY AND ECONOMICALLY ENSLAVE ALL OF US HAS GROWN EVEN STRONGER.

    • JeffH

      CORPORATE INTERNATIONAL SOCIALISTS

    • eyeswideopen

      Thank you. Clear and concise, they won’t agrue as you covered everything with the facts. But they will call you names, as the school yard is still open and functioning for the bullies. This site needed someone like you.

    • Yandle

      Radio UpNorth, you have just wasted a lot of space with no substance.

      • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

        Likewise.

  • JPW-

    Before you go to Willie BS site take out your credit card. He is trying to sell a book. Waste of time.

  • A FREE MAN

    Two Alternatives:
    1. Vote these bums out in November or
    2. Civil Disobedience
    Alternatives:
    Cap-N-Trade = Final Collapse of our Economy =
    1930′s Style Depression = Anarchy = NEW GOVERNMENT

    • eyeswideopen

      Freeman, anarchy usually produces an elitest government with the wealthy and corporations in charge of running your life, and you with no freedoms. Does the word slave have any meaning to you?? It would be similar to the dark ages, except with the rich being a larger group.

  • laura

    The thing I hear the most is what terrible shape our country is in and I totally agree. But it’s the total government ( except for a small handful ).I think political parties ( GOP,DEMS,TEA PARTIERS ,ECT.)need to come together. Lets quit fighting amongst ourselves and start fighting the real war “THE ONE AGAINST CORRUPT GOVERNMENT” .In the prison system they keep the peace by keeping the groups of people fighting amongst themselves if the prisoners should come together they could take over. That’s exactly what they’re doing to us, keeping us fighting so we’ll never be able to beat them. From the constant lies of the media (who have been paid very well)to the “back and forth government” it’s just enough to keep us fighting and never solving anything.

    MAY WE BLESS GOD SO THAT GOD WILL BLESS AMERICA

    Laura

  • Mark Are

    Read the article that is linked here and the two mentioned at the beginning…and you will begin to UNDERSTAND WTF is going on…

    http://carolynbaker.net/site/content/view/485/

  • American liberal

    You Tea baggers and Republicans better come up with party leaders and a better message…. Neither the Republicans nor the baggers has a clear cut leader…. President Obama still has an approval poll over 50%… it was 53 % this morning….and thats after taking every shot the republicans, tea baggers and rightwing can throw…who’s your leaders?…Sarah Palin?.. Rush?.. Beck ?… It’s not going to be enough to have a bunch of angry nutcases in chatrooms… You need party leaders… Who are they?

    • J C

      How about we just generally follow the Constitution?
      Or do you insist that we ahve a leader to chant at like the Obamunists?

    • blackhat

      53%! Wow, that’s just 4% more than are on some kind of govt assistance! You guys gotta try harder.

      • eyeswideopen

        blackhat, you can’t be making those kind of statements while on active duty. In above post, I gave you the directive specifically stating that you can’t participate in a group discussion as an advocate for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.

        • Reader

          eyeswideopen, open your mouth and tell us if you are a board reviewer (which might explain your choice of your “name”)… if so, why would you be making a statement influencing others to think someone commenting on this board is prevented by affiliated agreements to make certain comments? How would you know anyone’s personal affiliations? IF you are not intending such an accusation, please explain to all on this board.

          We don’t want any covert attacks on our freedom to speak, and we don’t want backstabbing with accusations that are unfounded. If you were not intending your comments the way I understood them, please forgive my misunderstanding, but please also explain your comment for the benefit of all.

          • JeffH

            Reader, please understand that she is the self appointed board “harpy”.

        • blackhat

          And, I replied to your comment and the directive. Now, if you continue to go down this path, I will just have to ignore you even more. I am now, and have been well within my rights as given by the UCMJ to state my opinions in the format I have chosen. Or, did I give up those rights somehow? As to this comment, to quote a national statistic is somehow controversial? Or, maybe I should just be quiet…you’d like that wouldn’t you? If you have a specific beef, it may be from your natural liberal distaste for any military member. If it is personal, then you should probably have some time with a good psychiatrist.

    • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

      Ron Paul

    • Toby

      Take back our country! The cry of the right wing. OK, but how are you going o do it? By saying no, or Hell NO!. Ain’t gonna work. People want solutions to problems. You say Repeal and replace the new health care law. I can respect that, but what are you going to replace it with? What does mother Sarah say we should do? All she knows how to do is say tax cuts. But that ain’t going to do it this time. Buh cut taxes, didn’t work did it? Still a finacial meltdown on his watch. Personally I think it was all engineered so the rich could reap the rewards, but what are you going to do get people jobs, provide healthcare and repair our crumbling infastructure? I’ve heard nothing from the right about that. They just cry socialist and communist. Enough is enough, we get your point, you don’t like the black guy, but give us some real solutions and not just finger pointing and saying no.

      • blackhat

        Toby, conservatives offered any number of solutions to the current “healthcare crisis” and bailouts. Were you listening? Apparently, the libs in congress were not.

        • Toby

          I guess I misse that. What did they offer?

          • Richard

            They didn’t offer anything but more of the same.

          • Yandle

            Toby, Like blackhat asked, “Were you listening?” No you were not, nor are you interested to real solutions to real problems because you are so party addicted.

      • JC

        Get the government out of the health care biz and the lobbyists out of the White House. Enshrine a system of accountable justice between the people and their insurance companies, enshrine contract law.
        The solution to too much government corruption is NOT more government corruption.

    • Richard

      Would rather have a brain than a leader Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, Chavez, and Castro would be proud of.

  • Save America Susie

    Will Ronald Reagan please step forward! We need that kind of leader now!
    Too bad he got Alzheimers that second term. He was a great president the first time round.

  • ron

    How right you are Frank to take this approach! By mentioning “Socialist” (I don’t know how many times, I stopped counting!) to a group of people who can’t define what it is nor can they relate it to their lives (they don’t even know what they are afraid of), you are stroking the fear in this strata of society! This is the best way to control people and opinions! Make them afraid of something they can’t even understand! IT will help them to vote against their own self interest! Like all the tea baggers (which appear to be a bunch of retired white people)who may/may not be unemployed and without insurance….so they need it! But keep them afraid and they’ll shoot themselves in the foot! Because its socialism? Huh? If we get rid of this socialist agenda, we will want to get rid of the marines (socialist organization), medicare (socialist), post office/mail delivery (socialist)….when will this agenda end? When everyone is taken care of? Down with the socialists!

  • American liberal

    Most of these rightwingers couldn’t even tell you what socialism is…and you can tell by the post in here that Glenn Beck has formed your opinions….or Rush and Fox news ….and when they tell you the president wants to raise taxes what they really mean is the Bush tax cuts are going to expire and they will be paying the taxes they paid during the 90′s….the top 2% has never made as much money as they’ve made as they’ve made during the last decade….of course you rightys will argue that you should keep paying they’re share in taxes..

    • J C

      I’ve never seen an episode of Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh.
      And I guess I became a “right winger” by default when you commies disappeared over the horizon…to the left. I haven’t moved, you have.

    • JeffH

      I’ll make it easy for those that don’t understand:

      Definitions of socialism (n)

      political system of communal ownership: a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles

      movement based on socialism: a political movement based on principles of socialism, typically advocating an end to private property and to the exploitation of workers

      stage between capitalism and communism: in Marxist(OBAMA)theory, the stage after the proletarian revolution when a society is changing from capitalism to communism, marked by pay distributed according to work done rather than need

  • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

    Plans to take us to war were already in place before 9-11. All that was needed was a “New Pearl Harbor”! Is terrorism inside the United States really from outside, or is it a stage managed production, designed to cause Americans to believe they have no choice but to surrender the Republic and accept the totalitarian rule of a new emperor, or a new Fuhrer?
    Once lost, the Romans never got their Republic back. Once lost, the Germans never got their Republic back. In both cases, the nation had to totally collapse before freedom was restored to the people.
    Did you know we are a Republic?

    • JC

      Interesting thoughts Joe. Did you know that Ron Paul, the Libertarian/Republican candidate recieved more campaign donations from the military than all the other candidates combined?
      Ask yourself why…

  • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

    The real danger is the nuclear football in the hands of the poser in chief. Hopefully those in the military would be hesitant to launch on US targets.

  • EltonJ

    American Liberal doesn’t know we have a Republic. He either slept through History Class or he never took an American History class in his life.

  • Betty

    Republic
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    For the political ideology, see Republicanism. For other uses, see Republic (disambiguation).

    A republic is a type of government where the citizens choose their leaders of their country [1] and the people (or at least a part of its people)[2] have an impact on its government.[3][4] The word “republic” is derived from the Latin phrase res publica, which can be translated as “a public affair”.
    Both modern and ancient republics vary widely in their ideology and composition. The most common definition of a republic is a state without a monarch.[5] In republics such as the United States and France the executive is legitimated both by a constitution and by popular suffrage. In the United States, James Madison defined republic in terms of representative democracy as opposed to direct democracy[6], and this usage is still employed by many viewing themselves as “republicans”.[7] In modern political science, republicanism refers to a specific ideology that is based on civic virtue and is considered distinct from ideologies such as liberalism.[8]
    Most often a republic is a sovereign country, but there are also subnational entities that are referred to as republics, or which have governments that are described as “republican” in nature. For instance, Article IV of the Constitution of the United States “guarantee[s] to every State in this Union a Republican form of Government.”[9] The Soviet Union was a single nation composed of distinct and nominally sovereign Soviet Socialist Republics.
    Niccolò Machiavelli described the governance and foundation of the ideal republic in his work Discourses on Livy. These writings, as well as those of his contemporaries such as Leonardo Bruni, are the foundation of the ideology political scientists call republicanism.[

  • Toby

    You are all so mad but you don’t want to admit who you are mad it. The Reblicans had control of the House, Senate, and Whitehouse. Had the not left their President and even more Vice President run amuck for 8 years maybe they would still have control. Remember the Contract with America the Republicans had in 1994? There was some good stuff n there. But you all let Mr. Bush come in and never said no to him. The Rebulican Party was made up of yes people. That’s why you lost. The average American person was tired of Bush and Rebulicans allowing him to do whatever he wanted. They said enough and voted in Democrats. Now the Rebulicansare acting like sore losers. They can’t come up with good ideas like they did in ’94 so they have to resort to making the current Democrats look evil.
    How about some new ideas and solutions to problems. Repeal and Replace is your new slogan. OK, but lets hear what you’re going to replace it with. Stop crying and pointing fingers and do something real and constructive.

    • JeffH

      Toby, you rant has a very familiar ring to it. Keep you eyes open and your mouth stuffed.
      Why not tell us your solution to all of this? Is it Stimulus earmarks for Texas? Halliburton or GE? Cheney? Reagan? You , as a former republican and whatever else, must be able to change the course of our thoughts with your solutions.

  • CLIVE BALDWIN

    “BABY-BOOMERS,” A REASON FOR BELIEF IN GOD.
    Post 9/11 perspective.
    Look no further than the new Age of Aquarius as the prime reason for the lack of civility, sportsmanship and compromise that was applicable to the previous generations of the 2,000 year long, age of Pisces; an Age whose Christian subjects were in astrological harmony with the teachings of the Messiah who came at it’s dawning. We are all subject to “circumstances” but few will apply astrology as being the inspiring entity that creates them.
    There is a “cusp” factor that bridges the Piscean with the Aquarian Ages from around 1937 when a need for personal independence began to erode the unity of the family. In contrast to the Piscean- “Age of faith;” baby boomers of 1946 began vigorously inflicting their “Age of self” upon society in the late 1960s when they said, “Don’t trust anyone over 30,” “If you’re not part of the solution you’re part of the problem” and invented the perversity of political correctness and moral equivalency.
    With Bill Clinton among the first of them, they began functioning as humanity’s Presidents, Prime Ministers, Politicians and Dictators.
    The children of the boomers, if not aborted via Roe Wade by some 50 million and more, are neglected abused and abandoned by their parents in pursuit of material gain which makes them directly responsible for the street gangs of latchkey delinquents who menace society with their drug turfs and heartlessly violent behavior.
    Boomers the world over are iconoclastic; actively dumbing-down personal and national incentive in the name of equivalency. They are the antithesis of societal tradition that had in the preceding “Age,” celebrated nationhood, boundaries and unity. The violence of boomer opinions is ever-escalating due to the imposition of their “rights” over which they exercise no responsibility.
    Their inflexible insistence upon independence as individuals insulates them against accepting contrary opinions, whereby each can hold fast to their particular truth. These “truths” are used to justify every perversion that God describes in the Bible as being abominable; creating loose morals, racism, alternative lifestyles and homophobia. Outside of the U.S and U.K. boomers need for hard Rock and even harder drugs, their common desire to change the world in their image is the only unity they possess.
    As irrefutable proof of their baby boomer status, the Muslim iconoclasts punctuated the new millennium on 9/11/01, by extinguishing the Trade Towers, the two American Icons of success, along with the lives of over 3,000 New Yorkers.
    In a last gasp of traditional response to aggression, the latter day descendents of the Crusaders took the war on terror to Iraq, only to find that their fickle brethren back home were blatant traitors who voted for socialism and a one world government, following after the style of the U.N. and the dictatorial treaty of Rome.
    Without exception but with some reservations, the now-aging boomers are, self-loving, covetous, proud, boasters, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, having no natural affection, false accusers, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.
    Although written 1900 years ago the latter indictment supplied the inspiration for this rhyme. It details the differences in the surrogate influence that is exerted by astrological ages upon all of humanity. The self-less Age of Pisces introduced the Messiah with His selfless act of dying on the cross. The selfish individuality that the New Age inspired will bring the terminally destructive “Last Days” which will cause Him to return.

    TWO TIM THREE
    Read on now incline your thoughts to Bible prophecy, and what it’s saying to us in second Timothy chapter three.
    It claims that in these last days there shall be perilous times, which means that we shall live to see unprecedented crimes.
    It is the baby boomers that St Paul’s referring to, the things they did at Woodstock show his prophecy came true.
    These children of the new age are licentious and perverse and because they have no ethics their offspring are much worse.
    Unthankful and unholy and inclined to disobey; when someone tries to guide them they will turn the other way.
    Traitors, fierce, blasphemers, who despise those that are good, we meet these kinds of children now, St Paul said that we would.
    They’ll kill you for your sneakers shooting guns as they drive by; and the Whitehouse is an outhouse where politicians lie.
    And Sodom and Gomorrah is back in style again where women sleep with women and men make love with men.
    That’s what St. Paul’s has told us in his note to Timothy; we have lived to see it happen in the 21st century.

    ©Clive Baldwin. September 21, 2001

    • JeffH

      Clive, if you want to sell it, pay for advertisement somewhere else. PLEASE.

    • Reader

      Clive, there is a lot of sharp truths obviously inspired and written with sadness from your heart. The thing is, the boomers who are in their situation were children raised by parents without enough love to guide and protect them or have time for them. So, my opinion looks back at their parents and the society that the parents were creating. Money started flowing, big career pushes, the dads more proud of the mom’s vp positions than of their loving attendance to the welfare of the children. The boomers missed having a normal childhood and are therefore very self protective and self promoting… and angry. They don’t even know what happened to them… they thought it was all normal.

      One other thought… a different take on your view of the “last gasp of traditional response to aggression, the latter day descendents of the Crusaders took the war on terror to Iraq, only to find that their fickle brethern back home were blatant traitors who voted for socialism and a one world government, following after the style of the U.N. and the dictatorial treaty of Rome.” Welllll, yes, we do traditionally defend our country, but Iraq was not responsible for 9/11. Nothing to do with it. Bush was pushed by Wolfowitz, Pearle, the neocons in the military and government to attack Iraq not for oil for the USA, but because Zionists wanted us to attack them… like Zionists are pushing again, this time for our children to spill their blood in Iran, attacking Iran, and they are pushing in Jerusalem to anger their neighbor Palestine and asking us to take their side in their aggression again. Check it out and see where that big oil pipe runs from Iraq… to Israel. We should have gone after the terrorist in Afghanistan. (Not anti-Israel but definitely anti-Zionist manipulation of my country.) The other consideration is that most of us aren’t fickle or traitors that don’t support our troops. They are OUR families and we care very deeply about them, and don’t want THEIR loyalty abused by idiots in our government… and in our military. No AMERICAN voted for socialism or one world government. We haven’t had a good government for a long time, very few honorable people to vote for. Mostly carpetbager scum. It’s our fault. TERM limits will discourage the bad ones and encourage the good ones to get in there and do a good job and then go home and enjoy THEIR NEIGHBORS’ applause. Nah, we didn’t want socialism, and those who thought it was a good chance to end the racist issues by having a mullato as President have been very very disappointed and are reconsidering their views for the future. We have the most wonderful country ever on this planet, and OUR FOUNDERS did it!! They did it FOR US, not for themselves or their offshore bank accounts or to fill the coffers of some other country they had secretly given their allegience to. What you have said in the rest of your commentary is very observant of much of our mess, in my opinion. Thank You.

      • Richard

        Reader, best post goes to you – for this one.

  • Sonny

    Without self discipline we can have no self government. Paul Harvey
    We now see a lack of self discipline by such a large percent of the population, and I don’t just mean the welfare poor, athletes, lawyers, definately politicians, teachers, preachers and probably me. I consider myself conservative and what is happening now makes me sick but do I really have the courage that our for fathers had when they were faced with an elitist government. All 3 branchs now seem to be in lock step and is intent on keeping poor people on the plantation as a voter base and adding more with superficial intitelments, if we let them succeed at the polls in November I feel we will be in danger of being in a situation not unlike what our country faced in 1775, that was a courageous and hardy people who loved freedom I am not sure we appreciate freedom enough, and how much more will we lose before we wake up.

  • Dr. Mabuse

    Now that we’ve gone from eight years of a National Socialist to a so-called “Fabian” socialist, all the Tea mongers and dime store eugenicists are desperately trying to come home to roost. This evisceration of the “Republic” has been an on going process for the last 50 plus years. I find it pathetically funny that now we see this misguided ground swell of indignation and outrage.

    • kilrntex

      It’s pretty scary to think that quacks like you will have a job in bin Laden’s health care. You won’t be unemployed or blackballed anymore.

      • Dr. Mabuse

        Thanks for proving my point…

    • JeffH

      Thanks Dr. Abuse!

      • Dr. Mabuse

        Anytime… Anytime…

  • lostcrow

    Apparently many of us have forgotten that W, the CIA, and the NSA started stripping and infringing on our rights and freedoms long before Obama was even thinking about running for president…

    • blackhat

      Noone has forgotten…we would just prefer to deal with current problems.

    • JeffH

      lostcrow, you think like an oldcrow! I guess today will never come.

  • Glen

    The two current dominant parties should be fired. Look at the Tea Party and the Conservative Party. Both are good alternatives to the current situation.

  • American liberal

    Not Much diffrence in you rightwingers on this site and the goals of Al Qaeda … Both your goals are do overthrow this lawfully elected goverment that the majority of Americans elected….so keep up with the Lock N’ load slogans … You just might get the lethal injection you deserve just like the 9/11 terrorist deserve and that Timothy McVeigh got… You are domestic terrorist and should be treated as terrorist…

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      POUND SAND!

    • Dale

      AP . . . watch how the leftists/anarchists/ socialists are dealing with bankruptcy in Greece . . . contrast that to the Conservative/Constitutionalists in the US . . .
      The battle here will be at the ballot box in November . . . the Chosen Won has an approval rating in the low 40′s today . . . Congress is almost in single digits . . . my only question to you is . . . Do you live in a “Parallel Universe”?

    • kilrntex

      Hey UnAmerican Dipstick, You forgot to tell us to keep our powder dry! Do you realize how hard it is to get ammo in Texas? You have to camp out in front of the dealers if you want to fill your bag. You didn’t have to do that under Bush.

    • JeffH

      When all is said and done, and the smoke clears, all of you traitors will be lined up against the same wall so that justice can be served.
      For crimes against America….the door is slammed shut with a rousing BANG!

    • JC

      How can this election have been lawful? Obama is a Kenyan and we’ve been had.

  • Hello?

    Satan has a plan and it has your name on it. Clinton signed the equal housing act of 1999 fully knowing that this would eventually catch up with us anhd it is here with the worst economy in forty years. Bush did not or could not do anything about it and the economy falls at the end of Bush’s term, then the Satan man came along lying promising everything that he could not do and in panic we voted him in as our leader not knowing anything about him. This has been a long term plan for the Marxist movement. Obama has a plan with all these people behind him right now. Cripple the economy even more give millions of people other peoples money enact amnesty for the illegals and voilla, you have accumulated enough votes to put him back in office in 2012 and then you will see a real dictator. True Americans will be a minority and will be made slaves. It takes a long term plan to bring down a great Democracy and you may just see it in your lifetime. This world is not intended to last as we know it, God has a plan and he will win. Who’s side are you on?

    • kilrntex

      Well put! God has a plan, but we have to keep fighting Comrade Satan until he clears the table. There are many of us who went to war to save the world from this scum in DC. I don’t see any difference in the commies in Vietnam and the commies in DC. They all must go down one way or another.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Virginia

    What weed were you smoking Clarence? The same one Clinton was smoking with his “friend” Willie Nelson! Get your facts straight before you spout off. I did’nt know the Democratic party had become saints! I know better, I am a former democrat – fourth generation family. Get over it! The party has been taken over by the hatred of America by George Seros and his puppets. He said he would destroy America with the money he makes from us. He’s doing a good job of it. Who do you think funnels money into Acorn and got Obummer elected? Do you people even know that most of our high offices have been infiltrated by the muslums? Quit playing the blame game and get serious about what we need to do to get our great country back from the “rat”icals. Yes, both parties have contributed to the problem and it’s up to us to fix it. No third party – that takes votes away from a good candidate in the conservative party. The trick is finding “the” best candidate!

    • kilrntex

      You go girl! Used to love Willy Nelson, but he’s a piece just like his buddy John Cougar Meinkampt and Bruce Springbroke. I use their albums in my shop to spit on.

      • JeffH

        One more time, someone elsa has used my name to make this post.

  • Drtminer

    Good synopsis Bob… I am glad you laid the blame where it belongs, right in “W”‘s lap… If it hadn’t been for his utter disdain and arrogance, we would not have what we have to contend with… People were so fed up with his administration, that they sold themselves out to the devil.. Now we are having to pay he piper, if only we CAN pay the piper…

    But that is not the entire issue… Our Congress and Senate are inundated with bought and paid for politicians who succumb to the beckoning call of LOBBYISTS…. If we want to attempt change (IMHO its to late) we need to vote out incumbents, not elect any word twisting lawyers in their place and ban LOBBYING…..

    • Jeff Miller

      With all due respect, all of the above comments are irrelevant – even the ones that are true. The real truth is we’re toast. We are not the first great nation in history that has undergone what we are witnessing in our government and the consensus of our population today. Never in history have the citizens of a democracy or republic been able to stop the inevitable sequence (see below) that our form of government has always gone through throughout history – even though a major portion of those citizens were aware of what was happening. Human nature is what it is and always will be – especially for those in power. Whether Republican, Democrat or any other party, those in power always seek more power. The road to power is to make those you seek power over dependent upon you for their safety, sustenance and ultimately their very existence. The most efficient form of government to achieve this is socialism. Socialism is a very appealing dogma for the masses. At its onset it seems very benevolent, with the general population’s well being the sole reason for its existence, usually contrasted to “evil capitalism.” The problem is that the humans who wind up administering socialism always ultimately achieve dictatorial power over their constituents for the reasons stated above. We can rant and rave all we want; the reality is we may as well be standing on the tracks waiting to stop the oncoming train (human nature) with our bare hands. You may slow it down slightly, but you’ll never stop it. In other words, as someone once said; “I have seen the enemy and it is us.”

      About the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.” A woman once asked Benjamin Franklin what kind of government the new Constitution provided for. Franklin replied; “a republic if you can keep it.”

      “The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

      1. From bondage to spiritual faith;

      2. From spiritual faith to great courage;

      3. From courage to liberty;

      4. From liberty to abundance;

      5. From abundance to complacency;

      6. From complacency to apathy;

      7. From apathy to dependence;

      8. From dependence back into bondage

      We are presently in the apathy stage.

      • American Citizen

        I believe that if enough of the Apathetic are waking up, we have hope. All candidates need to be vetted thoroughly. We have to quit letting the party pols pick the candidates.
        As for the economy, we are fast, if not already, deeper into debt than the GDP of this country. When we owe more than we are worth, what happens? Bankruptcy. That’s where this country is at at the moment. It’s time for all you young progressives to wake up and realize what you are facing.

      • Hobie

        Which is why they opted against a “Democracy”

        Now, what?

        In spite of what the Republican Party and others would have us believe, we are not simply faced with a case of “Politics as usual”, or the natural ”swinging of the pendulum of power” from one party to the other. No, we have traveled far beyond that to a situation where the only real hope for a restoration of the foundational principles of liberty will require superhuman help, without which, we are destined for a dictatorship the likes of which will make Chavez and
        Castro proud to call Obama their friend.

        Did I say “superhuman”?

        Our help will come from the same source called upon by the Founders, who recognized that without the help and blessings of Almighty God,their efforts would be in vain, which is why they forged a system of government that would honor Him as Creator and Bestower of “unalienable” rights, and the One to Whom they would be answerable if they did otherwise. These were the principles upon which they were willing to sacrifice their “lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor”. I believe that without an effort on our part to effect a return to these principles, we cannot reasonably expect the help and blessing of that Source in our attempt to restore
        Constitutional Government.

        The mechanisms are still in place. We have a
        rapidly closing window of opportunity.

        It’s time to involve ourselves in the selection, vetting, and support of folks, who, regardless of party affiliation, understand the problem, recognize the necessity of restoration to the foundational principles, and will have the courage to stand for their convictions. A list of those candidates can be found in our “Reagan List” at http://www.aipnews.com.

        We have a good plan, and you’re a part of it. Go to the webpage, read the party platform and affiliation agreement, join us on our “America’s Summit” conference calls, anddecide for yourself how you can be a part of securing the “blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity”.

        Hobie Smith

        OH@AIPNEWS.com

        513-839-0540

  • Kitty Barns

    Governor Bush told Houston Journalist: If Elected. “I’m Going to Invade Iraq”

    by Sherwood Ross

    Global Research, June 2, 2009

    Two years before the 9/11 attacks on America, George W. Bush told a Houston journalist if elected president, “I’m going to invade Iraq.”

    Bush made the comments about starting an aggressive war to veteran Houston Chronicle reporter Mickey Herskowitz, then working with Bush on his book “A Charge To Keep,” later brought out by publisher William Morrow.

    This disclosure was uncovered by Russ Baker, an award-winning investigative reporter when he interviewed Herskowitz for his own book, “Family of Secrets” (Bloomsbury Press) about the Bush dynasty. However, Baker says, when he approached The Washington Post and The Los Angeles Times with the potentially devastating story to President Bush prior to the 2004 presidential election, they declined to publish it.

    In a new book, “Media In Crisis”(Doukathsan), Baker quotes Herskowitz as telling him: “He (Bush) said he wanted to do it(invade Iraq), and the reason he wanted to do it is he had been led to understand that you could not really have a successful presidency unless you were seen as commander-in-chief, unless you were seen as waging a war.”

    Bush told Herskowitz that his father (President George H.W. Bush) knew that from Panama and (President Ronald)Reagan knew that from Grenada and…(UK Prime Minister)Maggie Thatcher knew this from the Falklands.”

    According to Baker, Bush told Herskowitz, “The ideal thing was a small war, and this is why Bush said nobody was going to be killed in Iraq because he thought it would be small war.”

    Bush co-authored his book “A Charge To Keep” with Karen Hughes. In his introduction to the work, Bush wrote, “I thank Mickey Herskowitz for his help and work in getting the project started.”

    Baker said he believed if a major daily ran his Herskowitz interview it “could have changed the election” but “I could not get it published.” The story was turned down by both The Los Angeles Times and The Washington Post. He described the Post as “scared because of the Dan Rather thing, and they said to me, ‘What do you have in the way of evidence?’” Baker replied, “Here’s a tape of Mickey Herskowitz, who’s published 20-some books, long-time journalist of the Houston Chronicle, friend of the Bush family, telling me this story.” The Post said, “It’s not enough. In this climate, we need Bush on tape saying this.” Expressing his disappointment over the rejection, Baker said, “Well, that standard has never applied anywhere.”

    The story about Bush’s comments to Herskowitz is one of many about the frustrations journalists face in getting the truth to the public that appear in “Media In Crisis.” The book contains the comments of five Pulitzer Prize-winning journalists, among others, and officials of various journalism foundations, as well as veteran broadcasters. The book also covers the economic woes of daily newspapers and their future, the rise of Internet bloggers and other news-purveying media, the quality of reporting, and the quality of instruction in journalism schools.

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    Sherwood Ross is a frequent contributor to Global Research. Global Research Articles by Sherwood Ross

    • Jeff Miller

      Kitty,

      What in God’s name does this have anything to do with our present situation?

    • chuck b

      kitty barns

      like i said before, Bush must have done something right, he still has you and your liberal friends in nervous breah down mode. i’ll bet you wake up at night screaming! bush, all by himself started the iraq war. what should we do have a public hanging? you better worry about this jasckass in the oval office.

    • blackhat

      Kitty, although way off topic…So, what you have is one guy saying that Bush told him…but, he only has his word as a journalist…Oh, okay. I believe that! Sure…

    • JeffH

      Here Kitty Kitty Kitty Barns. Post a link and don’t make us suffer, and where does this fit in with the conversations at hand?

    • Meteorlady

      Hey try and stay on track – this has nothing to do with the discussion except another “Blame Bush” person. We are tired of that one and he’s gone now. Maybe the article was accepted because there was not proof?

  • http://none Robert Brown

    last week i heard on the news that it was not the american way to use violence toward the elected officials in response to the vote on Obamacare. I am not the most intellegent individual, but public outcry and when needed, violence and war were used to win our freedom from an oppressive goverment a little over two hundred years ago. Taxation without repersentation rings loudly with me. Dont get me wrong, I am not saying pick up arms and revolt, but the fact that the voting public has no leagal recourse for the socialist state that is on the way, I think that the elected officials might consider a civil uprising is not far off if they dont listen to the voting majority. The officials in Washington DC have become a royal family with more power.

  • Uncle B

    France is a REPUBLIC and a more socialist republic is hard to find! Women there get two years full pay and time off, a guaranteed position when they get back to the workplace, for having a baby!
    Americans will have to get used to the idea that hard-ass corporatists raided the kitty and destroyed the country before our very eyes! Look up the New York Banksters for more. . .
    burgeoning Asian growth, a factor well beyond American control, will force , by their demands with a stronger Yuan, for more of the finite world’s oil supply, America to go from a foreign liquid fueled economy to a home grown Nuclear generated Electrical eocnomy in the following decades! This is the biggest factor facing confused and corrupted Americans, not the sophist nonsense like Drill Baby Drill! or the shouting of U.S.A.! U.S.A.! at events. The ship is sinking! Obama cannot stop that, and he cannot build lifeboats even for his own party as the Republicans attempt. America has run her course, and the constitution written by a bunch of colonial farners no9 longer applies in the 21st Century! the average American fatted calf is beyond sustainability even if we pillaged China for God’s sake! Great fat asses stuffed with goodies like xmas was every day, and nobody works and no jobs to work! Obama’s health care notions are an altruistic gesture as much as the Detroit City Ruins a monument to Corporatists failure in America to produce a viable fair system of operation for all with adequate controls against self-destruction!

    • blackhat

      Wow, Uncle B, did you go to the Hugo Chavez school of thought? Such a well planned diatribe of sychophantic ravings requires an equally thought out response…however, us “bunch of colonial farners” (sic) just couldn’t match wits with one as smart as you. I guess America will just have to get along without your help…

    • JC

      China and the Soviet Union call(ed) themselves a Republic too.
      But they were using the word incorrectly, just as France does.

    • Meteorlady

      Hey you want to see what the puppet is going to do?

      http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualprofile.asp?indid=977

      The come back and tell me that’s all American and is in accordance with our Constitution.

  • http://yahoo.com AmericanPatrot

    When I was a kid growing up, I found out the only thing the neighborhood bully understood when you kept telling him no, and he wouldn;t listen was to kick the living sh!t out of him…I think the time for talking to the “bullies” in Washington is passed…something has to happen to get the attention of these people…tea parties dont seem to be doing it…

    • Meteorlady

      I disagree – I do think the Tea Party and other demonstrators are working or we would not constantly hear about them. The liberal press would not be trying so desperately to discredit them.

  • Rob

    Yee Haw!!!!Yeah man, all those traitors in DC need a good ol’ American butt whoopin”. I trust one day they will get it. Real Patriots are not going to let socialists destroy this country. All the answers are in our founding documents. Thos guys were brilliant and so far ahead of any college nerd today it is a joke. The bucket of slop is gonna hit the fan.

  • Larry From Indiana

    this whittling away at our freedoms actually began over a 100 yrs. ago. every party that has been in office carries part of the blame. The real problem has been the lazy complacent general public. By our own complacency and selfish thoughts, have we all allowed things to get this far. If we all voted for statesman instead of politicians, much of this would have been curtailed years ago. Maybe now we all [or at least the majority]will get serious about the direction of this country and react accordingly. Yes, I have been guilty also. In fact, I know Very Few who are totally innocent. So let’s get busy pounding the drums and quit arguing with ignorance—focus where the most good is needed.

  • Lisa Jones

    Just watch the news and ask yourself do I really want these tea baggers to be in control of my government?

    • Donn Layne

      I will let you decide…but first Lisa …it is tea party …not tea baggers…do you want tea party people in control of your government or Cass Sunstein…or Van Jones..or Harry Reid…do you know who these people are?…do you think that obama can run your life better than you can?…I doubt it…if you leave him in power that is exactly what he will do…

      • Lisa Jones

        See that is your problem. First thing you said. “I will let you decide” Can’t you decide for yourself? Why do let other people make the decission for you? First you cry for freedom, but when confronted with a choice you turn your freedom of choice over to me. I would rather have Obama, Van Jones Harry Reid in office then your hateful violent name calling, out of control tea baggers any day.
        You lost your vote, you gave it to me.

        • JeffH

          You Madame Lisa Jones are one of two things…either an idiot or a socialist. Come to think of it, you are a traitor and both. Enjoy your stay at the trough.

        • American liberal

          Lisa… You’re correct….the people on this site are America haters…. They’re anti goverment Timothy McVeigh types… The most ignorant of the ignorant.. Most of these people live on the very goverment programs they claim to hate…

          • JC

            Nice try at the play on words American Communist. Despising Obamunista Socialist’s is not America hating….it’s quite the opposite. You advocates of socialism are trying to tear down everything America was founded on and you cowards are trying to hide behind the flag to do it. You’ll need better cover than that.

          • coal miner

            American Liberal,

            You mean the nut house,or collecting food stamps?JeffH and Joeh you better get down to the welfare office.It closes at five.

          • JeffH

            coal miner, 5? is that am or pm? You must clearly do business with them as I don’t even know their schedule or where they might be located. Could you be so kind as to have your case manager contact me? Here is the number 1(800)555-1212. Thanks for the info.

  • Kristty

    So what are you really afraid of.

    1- Health care reform not working, America falling on it’s face and Obama not getting Elected in 2012?

    2- Health care reform actually works. Deficit comes down as predicted, Millions of Happy Americans, Obama getting re elected and going down in history as a good President?

    Be honest.

    • Airangel

      I’m really afraid that the more Large companies shutting down and jobs going OUT of America and overseas because of this Obamanation care will lead to our collapse just like Greece. You can’t penalize or throw in jail, individuals that can’t afford insurance and you can’t keep burdening those that supply jobs. Add more jobs, not more Goverment! We the taxpayers PAY for the goverment jobs so we don’t need more of those! Most of the big companies create GOOD jobs and already provide health insurance to their employees, why penalize them? There needs to be competitions in Health Care to have the ‘FREEDOM OF CHOICE’ in programs that fit within our scope of what we individually consider “health care”…what I see now, I would call “disease care” controlled and rolled out by Big Pharma

    • JeffH

      I’m sure that all of us would prefer the latter, but that won’t happen. The cat’s out of the bag! Obama isn’t pulling the strings of freedom, he’s pulling the carpet right out from under freedom.

  • kate8

    American liberal, have you forgotten how you guys ranted and raved and
    called for the impeachment of GW, not to mention his assassination.
    As far as obstructionist, have you forgotten that disgusting little
    thorn in the butt named Tom Daschle? I’m quite certain that all of you
    liberals who post here are plants from SEIU.

    While reading through this stuff it came to me that if I was one of
    these commie elites I’d be thrilled with how things are going. They’ve
    got us exactly where they want us: fighting, bickering like school
    children, thinking we know anything, all the while playing right into
    their hands. Trust me, I’m with the patriotic conservatives all the
    way, but we’ve got to stop playing by the left’s rules. The best thing
    we can do with the one’s here is to ignore them completely. They are
    the only ones who don’t realize they are just useful idiots. Always
    have been, always will be. They’ll do anything if promised a freebie.

    We need to find a way to unite, because I do believe we hold the majority. More are waking up. The whole purpose of all this polarization is prevent community and assembly. We need to turn their
    game against them, and to do that we must be even more single-eyed
    than they are. They are only here to divert us from our goals by keeping the pot stirred up, batting around alot of irrelevance.

    • JeffH

      kate8, just ignore it. He’s paid to be here.

  • Samuel Smith

    “We the people….” that is how our Constitution starts out. Our Constitution is set to be ran “By the people, For the people”. It takes work, and We the people must be involved in the working of the system, or as we see it does not work. They are our rep., We send them to D.C. to work for us, by just voting then in and going our merry way we have alowed the system to become broken! We work hard to support a family, We must also work hard to keep our Freedom! Plus it does not help that our government run school system does not teach the Constitution any more! And we must remember the most important thing with out this nothing will work at all, “GOD” if He is not at the heart of it all all will be lost!

    • Me

      “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,”

      This is quoted from the Declaration of Independence. Written by Thomas Jefferson. However Mr. Jefferson owned 187 slaves. All men are created equal, unless you happen to be black. So although our founding Fathers were great men, they did have some flaws and it took over 100 years for this one to be corrected.

      • JeffH

        YADA YADA YADA

    • thepeoplerise

      And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.(Luke 21:28)

      And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.(Mark 9:29)

      http://thestoryofjesus.com

  • Me

    So for the past few years I’ve been watching and reading things from so called political experts like Bob Livingston, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Ann Coulter, one thing puzzels me. If these people have all the answers and know exactly how to fix the problem, why don’t they run for office? I mean think about it, they all write about how bad things are, but have any of them ever ran for office? They have so many great ideas, why don’t they turn them into bills for Congress to vote on?

    Mr. Livingston, can you answer why you chose to sit onthe sideline and complain and critisize those in office but refuse to run for office yourself?

    Don’t be so critical unless you’re willing to step up and do it yourself.

    • JeffH

      Me, you’re “name” says it all about you. Everyone has at least one or more things they are very good at in life. To inform, educate, and create thought amongst the masses is as important as being a legislator or a president. Not everyone has a plan or an answer, but collectivly, a plan and an answer can be achieved.

    • JeffH

      Mr. Livingston, can you answer why you chose to sit onthe sideline and complain and critisize those in office but refuse to run for office yourself?

      Don’t be so critical unless you’re willing to step up and do it yourself.

      If you call this sitting on the sidelines you need a little education about life yourself.

      • JeffH

        intended for “Me”

  • kate8

    BTW, I agree that it has probably come to the point where there is no
    recourse within the system for us. But I also see that their intent is
    to provoke revolution, because total collapse and chaos is their goal.
    Then they move in with the “big guns”, BO unleashes his foreign troops on us, FEMA camps are staffed and ready to go, and we are all
    GPS’d to make it easy for those who don’t speak English to read street signs (by their own admission).

    Just like commies always do, create crisis, then rush in with their solution. Oh yeah, they’ll save the day.

  • Rich Frank

    The vast majority of people throwing insults and also those trying to educate the rest of us are missing an important point in the whole motivation of our politicians. It is they want POWER, and the way to get it is to make promises, bring home pork barrel projects, etc. Ever since Teddy Roosevelt (Progressive mover & shaker) we have had a series of like minded politicos sprinkled into both parties. The real goal was expressed by GHWB when he spoke about the NWO (New World Order). If you will pay attention to what is going on in the rest of the world, you will get the big picture, by connecting the activities of the UN & also the WHO. Wake up and get educated. You won’t be getting it from the MSM. Have a great day.

    • Me

      No, you won’t find it on MSM. Look what MSM.com is below.

      Welcome to the MSM Guide.
      This website serves as a resource for consumers, researchers, medical practitioners and media who want to learn about the science and evidence for MSM.

      MSM, methylsulfonylmethane (METH-əl-sul-FON-il-METH-ane) provides sulfur, a vital building block of joints, cartilage, skin, hair and nails, and methyl groups, which support many vital biochemical processes in the body, including energy production. MSM is a naturally-occurring nutrient found in small amounts of many foods. As a dietary supplement, MSM is synthesized. When made correctly, it is identical to that found in nature. MSM can be taken alone or in combination with other joint health supplements, such as glucosamine and chondroitin.

      Published, peer-reviewed clinical research in the U.S. has shown MSM is safe and effective in increasing joint comfort and supporting a normal range of motion.

      The MSM Advisory Authority welcomes any questions you may have. Please visit the FAQ page or submit your own question about MSM. If you are involved or interested in MSM research, we invite your participation.

      • JeffH

        You are just one of many that have nothing better to do…

  • kate8

    Hey, Me, we need honest journalists, too. The true job of the media was to be watchdog over the politicians. Only their aren’t any honorable journalists in the MSM, so we are lucky to have people like
    Bob Livingston willing to tell the truth. If the dems get their way
    people like him will soon be silenced. Then what? We’ll have NO way
    of knowing who the politicians really are.

    Everyone has their place and their purpose. I assume, even you.

  • kate8

    Right on, Rich Frank.

  • tommy boy

    I heard that the first Fema camp is going to open in 2011 and anyone without insurance is going to be put there.
    The UN is going to come in with black helicopters and start shooting at people on city streets like in harlem because they want o do away with drug deals. It’s really scary

    • JeffH

      tommy boy, go back and read your comic books…we don’t need you here.

      • JC

        he’s a little over the top Jeff, but do beware the FEMA camps popping up all over the country. Ask yourself, what are they for?

        • JeffH

          JC, I really believe that ole tommy boy is here to try to create fear and anxiety amongst us. As far as FEMA camps, I’m not quite ready jump that fence. I’ll reserve that for another time.

  • kate8

    You are right about healthcare, airangel. We’ve been conditioned to believe that they are necessary to life, while they are the ones largely responsible for keeping us sick. They do not cure nor heal,
    they just manage disease. And take all your wealth while they do it.

    Western medicine/big pharma is owned by the likes of Rockefellers and
    the world elites who seek to reduce the world population. What does
    that tell you! Sure, they are good in a crisis, but for general health
    they have little to offer. We are all better off by taking responsibility for learning to care for ourselves using the medicines given by our Creator while we still can, since they are working overtime to remove access to all info and forms of natural healing.

  • kate8

    I guess I’ll be going to one of those camps, since I have no intention
    of buying health insurance. I never use allopathic medicine, never go
    to doctors. Notice there is no provision for us who don’t use it. You
    have to be Amish or Muslim to be exempt.

    Whatever happened to Equal Protection Under the Law?

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    our government? congress elected by us hand pick canidates owned by the powerful ( the lobbist) doesnt matter democrat,republican ,are the puppets of these lobbist,as far as choice give it a rest we the american voters have been sold down the river long ago by these corrupted people that we all voted in ,democrat and republican time for an ( america first party based on the constitution and the bill of rights and where if a lobbist even tries to influance an elected official and they are convicted of corruption,they would be shot for treason! WHY? look at the mess we have now ,we are no more than slaves NOW.free men ,we all best get glasses,for we all must be blind,and deaf and dum to the total corruption in government.

  • Charles David

    I’m going back to the article above that started all of these comments. It is at least the third article that I have read that (in my opinion) rematurely reports the demise of the Republic. Yes, we have a lot of problems. Yes, there will be more problems to come. but, NO, the Republic is not dead. We can reverse this socialistic trend and we CAN take back the USA. I believe tht there are enough GOOD people left to do it. The decison for everyone to make now is not which party is the most guilty, but DO YOU want to live under socialism or under a free Republic? If you choose socialism, then you should thank both parties for getting you there. If you choose a free Republic, then quit pointing the finger and start moving in the other direction.

    • http://personallibertydigest working taxpayer

      Well said, Charles.

  • thepeoplerise

    A house divided against itself cannot stand.
    Abraham Lincoln

    America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Ballots are the rightful and peaceful successors to bullets.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Don’t interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties.
    Abraham Lincoln

    I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts.
    Abraham Lincoln

    If once you forfeit the confidence of your fellow-citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another, but let him work diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Our defense is in the preservation of the spirit which prizes liberty as a heritage of all men, in all lands, everywhere. Destroy this spirit and you have planted the seeds of despotism around your own doors.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Public sentiment is everything. With public sentiment, nothing can fail. Without it, nothing can succeed.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Republicans are for both the man and the dollar, but in case of conflict the man before the dollar.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right.
    Abraham Lincoln

    That some achieve great success, is proof to all that others can achieve it as well.
    Abraham Lincoln

    The ballot is stronger than the bullet.
    Abraham Lincoln

    The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew.
    Abraham Lincoln

    The people will save their government, if the government itself will allow them.
    Abraham Lincoln

    The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next.
    Abraham Lincoln

    This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.
    Abraham Lincoln

    To give victory to the right, not bloody bullets, but peaceful ballots only, are necessary.
    Abraham Lincoln

    We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.
    Abraham Lincoln

    What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Whatever you are, be a good one.
    Abraham Lincoln

    You cannot build character and courage by taking away a man’s initiative and independence.
    Abraham Lincoln

    You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
    Abraham Lincoln

    If there is anything that a man can do well, I say let him do it. Give him a chance.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear thepeoplerise,
      These are all good quotes. However, you could do a better job by quoting someone who actually believed in liberty. Mr. Lincoln did not, as evidenced by his unconstitutional response to secession, his suspension of habeas corpus, shutting down state legislative bodies, subsidizing the railroad and shipping industries and centralizing power in the Federal government. Mr. Lincoln, as much as anyone else in our history (FDR included) set us on the road to despotism.
      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Me

        OK Bob, now I know you’re out there. Most of Americans believe Lincoln to be a great President. I guess you believe he should have left the country split in two? Then where would be be? What would have happened in WWII with our great nation? I can only say I’m glad I have the ability to turn you off.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Me,
          Turn me off if you like, and bury your head in the sand. Sometimes the truth is hard to take. The U.S. Civil War and its aftermath cost almost 700,000 lives (soldiers and civilians). In today’s terms that’s the equivalent of more than 5 million people. Sherman alone, with Lincoln’s approval, destroyed $100 million in private Southern property and stole $20 million more in his march to the sea. At that cost, yes, it would be better for there to be two nations. And before someone brings racism into the equation, slavery would not have survived much longer. It ended everywhere it existed in the west by 1886. Had emancipation really been Lincoln’s goal he could have spent a lot less money (and saved a lot of lives) by buying the slaves and freeing them.
          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • JC

        America saw the first real advances in government cronyism with the corporations of the day (mostly railroads) as well as the some of the most major sidelining of the Constitution as a lawful document under Lincoln directly after the Civil war. The Cotton States had legally seceded because of the Federalist trend they saw coming and the total coontrol over their economy. Bob’s right!

        • JC

          Last line should read “control”.

  • kate8

    Me, if that post on MSM wasn’t so asinine, I’d ignore it.

    I guess everyone but you knows what that means. Or you are just
    stuck on stupid. If that is the best you can come up with, I’m
    turning you off.

    Good bye.

    • JeffH

      Kate8, it’s…Stupid is as stupid does, thank you Forrest Gump.

    • Me

      Goodbye Kate

  • American liberal

    I saw a study last week that claimed better than 95% of the tea party nuts are all living on goverment programs… Doesn’t suprised……. But the truth is that all this goverment hate and talk of socialist and communism is really just rightwing hate aginst a smart educated black president….the hate cane to quick to be about politics….this site is full of racist and frustrated people…. You can’t stand having a black president… If it was about socialism you people wouldn’t be on goverment programs… And you goverment haters can’t tell me you’re not on social security, social security disability , Medicare….I’d bet better than 95% of the goverment haters in here are on goverment programs…I dare you to deny it…. Of course you believe all you need to do is hide behind your invisable friend Jesus and you can spew all the hate you want…….,…..who’s really guilty of a redistrabution of wealth?… The republicans…. The top 2% has never made as much cash in the last decade and the middle class has never lost more wealth as they have the last decade…. You helped the republicans and top 2% Screw you..

    • JeffH

      BORING_BORING_BORING_BORING_BORING

    • http://personallibertydigest working taxpayer

      You dare me to disagree? I have never been on a government program in my life. Where did you see this “study”? On Obama’s website? And 95% of the racist remarks I see are from liberals. Why do you always try to bring race into a discussion? Get a clue, AL. Seriously.

    • http://yahoo.com AmericanPatrot

      “I saw, I heard, I read…”…all lib talk…care to post some sources?…thought not!…BWAHAHAHAHA!

      liberalism is TRULY a mental disorder!….:)

      • JC

        This nut job is on another planet altogether isn’t he/she/it?
        The mahority of American Commies posts are shrieking rants…wow, ease up on the meds.

      • JeffH

        Someone has posted using my name…

    • Mable Henderson

      What kind of crap do you read? I have been to Tea Parties, I have attended local government groups. Here’s the average Tea Party person – age between 45 and 100; they have lived long enough to see the failings of our government; they have lived long enough to have made their money the hard way by actually working; some are good Christians, other don’t attend a church; they have raised their children to believe in liberty and freedom; they have been responsible and set money aside for their retirement and health care; they are not some nut case, rather they are thinking, caring people. They are sick to death of having their money taken by force and passed out to those that don’t want to work or get an education. They are sick of paying for everyone and having to make do with what they have because their incomes are shrinking. They are sick of paying special taxes for things like SS and Medicare which were PROMISES made by the government and now defunct because of government theft in SS. Medicare is getting scaled back so that the elderly will now have pay more for their doctor visits and insurance – all so Medicaid for the underachievers can have more and more money.

      It’s nice to throw around generalities and believe something someone has written but it’s like all those chain letters that you get and don’t verify through snopes – they are wrong wrong and wrong, but I guess if you say or write something enough you start to believe it’s the truth.

      • Meteorlady

        Hear hear…..

    • Meteorlady

      Those top 2% pay 93% of the taxes in this country so you should thank the next rich person you see.

  • kate8

    And this study was done by the Obama administration or some other
    left-wing hate group. Take your parroted talking points and go back
    to your commie blogsites.

  • kate8

    JeffH, I posted the info you wanted on the previous thread. In case
    you didn’t go back there.

  • http://Verizon.net Bud Grounds

    Mr. Carlson: Thank you for pointing out the differences that exist between Capitalism and Socialist and Communist systems.

    President Obama was openly telling the people during his campaign that he was a Socialist and now he has National Health care that he campaigned for. Distribution of wealth was another statement he made.
    He has now taken over corporations, banking systems and the stock market. There must be a reason why he has 14 Socialists and 1 Communist in his Cabinet. Any comments on this? Doesn’t seem to be a plus for our Capitalist system.

    I know that a lot of people would love to see all of the members of Congress voted out but lets be realistic in believing a third party candidate could win. Everyone saw the votes for the Health Care Bill.
    All Democrats and they manipulated it into law without even reading it entirely. The one thing we do not want to do is split the vote where a Democrat can be re-elected. We also need to make sure that they don’t pad the ballot boxes with fraudulent votes as the did in the Presidential election and nothing was done about it. Nothing will be done about it the next time if you allow them to remain in Congress. The Ethics Committee, according to Mr. Rangel, said the powers to be stopped the investigation from going forward and we all know how ethical Mr. Rangel is. The sky has already fallen so the Socialist tactics won’t work if the people wise up and begin reversing the “Change” that has taken place.

    • JC

      What have we learned in 2,064 years?

      “The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”

      Cicero, 55 BC

      Evidently nothing.

      • libertytrain

        JC – nice comment – thanks

  • RICH M

    Amlib – for your info., there is a REAL STUDY that shows that the majority of millionaires in Washington politics (including the lobbyists) and Wall Street are Dems & their friends. You really need to get your facts from reliable sources, before you spout off with your stupid statements.

  • http://personallibertydigest working taxpayer

    Honestly, Kristty, I’m more scared of 1-. I don’t see how this reform could possibly work? Pelosi doesn’t even know what it will do! “We have to pass it to find out what’s in it”…. What the heck is THAT about??? They’re gambling with the future of OUR COUNTRY!!! Did you know that by law now, every man, woman and child has to have insurance with a minimum of coverage. What’s that coverage? Nobody knows. It’s up to the government to decide, and as of the passing of this bill, it hasn’t been decided! They have no idea what has been passed, they are just blindly shoving through policies to further their agenda!

  • Jerry & Lewis

    We can agree with most of those who have knowledge and truth on their side. No political philosophy based on lies and hatred can survive for long in a just society. This is why we both agree with Rob in that both major parties need to be voted out of office and replaced by true, caring Americans who believe in our country and the constitution. The corruption in our government is based in greed and self interest, and does need to be replaced by those who really care about the entire population of our great country, not just their own. We say, go Rob, and may more listen to your voice. We have been calling those in power Demopublicans for years.

    • Jeff Miller

      OK I’ll say it again. – With all due respect, all of the above comments and those to follow are irrelevant – even the thoughtful and informed ones that are true. We are not the first great nation in history that has undergone what we are witnessing in our government and in the consensus of our population today. Never in history of man have the citizens of a democracy or republic been able to stop the inevitable sequence (see below) that our form of government has always gone through throughout history – even though a major portion of those citizens were aware of what was happening, as are we. I’m sure, had they had the Internet, those concerned citizens of past democracies and republics would have had the same discussion. Human nature is what it is and always will be – especially for those in power. Whether Republican, Democrat, Independent or any other party, those in power will always seek more power. The road to power is to make those you seek power over dependent upon you for their safety, sustenance and ultimately their very existence. The most efficient form of government to achieve this is socialism (liberalism). Socialism is a very appealing dogma for the masses, especially to those with limited intellect or knowledge. At its onset it seems very benevolent, with the general population’s well being the sole reason for its existence, usually contrasted to “evil capitalism.” The problem is that the humans who wind up administering socialism always ultimately achieve dictatorial power over their constituents for the reasons stated above. We can rant, rave and comment all we want; the reality is we may as well be standing on the tracks waiting to stop the oncoming train (the human nature of those in power) with our bare hands. You may slow it down slightly, but you’ll never stop it. In other words, as someone once said; “I have seen the enemy and it is us.” When will folks ever learn – history ALWAYS repeats itself. Hopefully this time we can skip phase one and go directly to phase two of the sequence, though I doubt we will.

      About the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.” A woman once asked Benjamin Franklin what kind of government the new Constitution provided for. Franklin replied; “a republic if you can keep it.”

      “The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

      1. From bondage to spiritual faith;

      2. From spiritual faith to great courage;

      3. From courage to liberty;

      4. From liberty to abundance;

      5. From abundance to complacency;

      6. From complacency to apathy;

      7. From apathy to dependence;

      8. From dependence back into bondage

      We are presently in the apathy stage.

  • Jerry

    Nancy Pelosi pushed Bill Clinton into signing a lowering of requirements for loans through Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae so that lower income people could receive loans they could not afford. The republicans did nothing to change this. So, both partis are to blame for the housing problem. The losers are once again the low income people. Once again it is the demobublicans causing turmoil. Do not vote for a democrat or a republican. If no one else is on the ticket, write one in.

    • Meteorlady

      I do believe the DWB went before the Senate Banking and the Senate Finance Committees in 2000 or 2001 voicing his concern with Fannie and Freddie. He was basically told that they were fine and well fun institutions and we had nothing to worry about. If YouTube has not removed it – there is actually a clip of one of those sessions.

  • American liberal

    I hear Michael Steele ( republican minority leader) has been using republican funds to go to lesbian sex shows … Typical rightwing hypocritical scum…,so he’s aginst gay marriage but not aginst spending republicanfunds to go to lesbian sex shows…. Way ta go rightys….I’m sure ” Jesus ” would approve cause Michaels a republican…. Sean Hannitys been accused by some conservatives of stealing funds from children who’s fathers died in Iraq and Afghanistan…. Typical rightwing scumbag..

    • JeffH

      IGNORE_IGNORE_IGNORE_IGNORE

      • eyeswideopen

        denial, denial, denial

        • JeffH

          Isn’t that a river in Africa?

    • Airangel

      Am lib, come on! There are good and bad people in EVERY social circle, every religion, every gender, every race, etc. It’s not about Democrat or Republican, Liberal or Conservative, Black or White, Christian or Muslim, Male or Female…it’s about good vs. bad. This mud slinging is not solving anything. Liars, cheaters, pedafiles, criminals and non-American’s should not be allowed to run for office. In fact they should all have to be profiled to determine if they are fit to run for any government office that makes decisions impacting all of us. Profiling would weed out the weak and easily intimidated or those that can’t stand up to challenges and would succomb to bribes…something has to change in how members get into office. Money should not be allowed into play at all.

    • coal miner

      American Liberal,

      I don’t know it true or not.There is a rumor that fat ass Rush Limbaugh may be gay.That would be an awful kick in the head.Joeh and JeffH would never be the same.Pray for them.Ha ha ha

      • JeffH

        coal miner, take your old mouldy mildewed decrepit SATAN worshiping self back down that fireyhole you live in and melt away. Why don’t you tell me about your worshiping the Joys of Satan once more.

    • JC

      Were you performing that night? ;)

    • Meteorlady

      $2000 losy dollars spent at a strip club by ONE person entertaining. Is that all they can come up with?

      Lets talk Massa (D-NY) and Jefferson (D-LA). Massa was involved in a sexual harassment scandal and Jefferson who served from 1991 to 2009 was convicted of bribery, wire fraud, money laundering and racketeering. He is getting his Congressional Pension.

      I could go on, but what’s the point – this type of politics is sleazy and stupid and shows the low intelligence of everyone that accepts this type smearing campaign.

  • kate8

    Is anyone paying attention to all the fraud being uncovered about the
    usurper-in-chief?

    Here’s some more to add. The legitimacy issue is gaining ground.
    They can’t keep it covered up forever, and it’s more important than
    ever this imposter be exposed.

    I hope he doesn’t pull something to stop the court case scheduled in
    May from going forward.

    One cannot excuse any American for not insisting this issue be resolved. One would think that even libs would want to make sure their picks were legit. The fact that they don’t is very telling.
    They try to make this go away using ridicule, but it won’t work.

    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/swirsky/100328

    • JeffH

      kate8, as much as it pains me to say it, the birther issue is dead. A Hawaiian certificate of birth has been produced and it makes it a dead issue. Sorry to say that, but true.

      • Claire

        Jeff H—Thank you.

      • Meteorlady

        Is a Certificate of Live Birth? Because if it is, Hawaii just change their laws so that this does not happen again because the verification process was flawed.

  • Ronald D Johnston

    I am afraid the only solution is for us to overthrow this evil wretched government and install a Honduras type constitution which allows only 1 term in political office period.

    • American liberal

      Ronald… You want to overthrow this lawfully elected goverment?… Hope you enjoy your lethal injection…. And Kate… That’s part of your problem… You sit and listen to Fox, Rush and all these rightwing goverment hating traitors….that’s why you traitors are so ignorant… They’ve started arresting you goverment haters…

      • JC

        You mean the illegal president is having American Patriots rounded up?
        Sounds just like Nazi Germany doesn’t it?
        yes we can yes we can yes we can zeig heil zeig heil zeig heil
        I can’t see a difference, can you see a difference?

    • Herb Tarlik

      If people would vote out those in office after a few years you wouldn’t need term limits. Right now they all need to go. Then in 2 years clean house again. Once the politicians learn that they no longer have a lifetime job in Washington maybe they will start working for the people again. Both parties are just plain playing games at this point. They are lining up their voter armies to go head to head to see which party will survive in Congress. You know what, we have the power to clean house. Both parties. Send the politicians a message with your vote in Nov that we are angry with what they are doing. The Republicans keep saying no but don’t have anything to offer. The Democrats are trying to cater to everyone. The Tea Baggers are just plain old angry wakos who want to feel important again like they did in their youth during the Vietnam War. I say clean house in November. I won’t be sorry to see any member of congress go home next year.

  • kate8

    What is that irritating din coming from AmLib.

    Typical left-wing scumbag.

  • American liberal

    Jerry… And republicans and conservatives have promised they’d go right back to deregulation of Banks and lenders…. The rightwing won’t be satisfied till the countrys totally destroyed.. Of course All in the name of Jesus…

    • Hello?

      Al. God loves you but I would be careful about bashing the son of GOD, it could be dangerous but of course you’re an atheist. Go your own way and be decieved but one day every knee shall bow and confess that Jesus is Lord of the heavens. Where the worm dieth not. but you don’t believe in hell either. Maybe you are satan, you seem to be smarter than your creator and that is what got you in trouble to start with.Bet that if one of those suicide bombers could come back from the after life and tell you that there were no virgins, you would not believe them either. Guess you will just have to experience it yourself. What if you are wrong?

    • JC

      Better than in the name of Marx. And this country could use a good deregulating…so could you for that matter.

  • kate8

    AmLib, why don’t you go spend some time with your pals on the left-wing blogs. They’ve always got a hate-fest orgy going on, and that is
    right up your alley.

    Better yet, come out of your mom’s basement and go get a job. If you
    can find one these days. The IRS is hiring healthcare enforcers. If
    you’re not old enough, I’m sure BO’s youth brigades would love to have you.

    • Herb Tarlik

      You sure do seem to be full of hate here your self Kate8. That’s what usually happens when people know they are wrong but just can’t quite seem to come to terms with it. They are angry because they know they are wrong, but can’t admit that they are so they take it out on others. Is that how you feel there Kate8?

      • JeffH

        Herbie, you’re pretty good at it yourself! Bet you’ve had 9 years of practice at it.

      • Meteorlady

        I would be more than happy to admit I was wrong if anyone of you libs would just give me some facts that are verifiable. Also, if you would tell me why you believe my money should be given away without my permission. I would love to have my anti-proverty portion of the taxes I pay. I could build an entire Habitat house here in my county and I would be FREE to do that. Instead it gets redistributed to those that don’t want to work, sell drugs and take drugs, trash public housing, and rob and kill in their own neighborhoods.

  • kate8

    You’re right, JeffH. I couln’t help myself.

    IGNORING-IGNORING……

  • kate8

    Typical scumbag AmLiberal. You cheer when they start arresting people for opposing the commie takeover, but you were screaming along with Hillary about dissent being the “highest form of patriotism” when Bush was in.

    That’s a big difference liberals and conservatives. We may disagree with you about everything, but we won’t criminalize you for expressing yourself. You libs are all about silencing and eliminating
    all opposition. You’ll be turning in your neighbors next.

    • John

      What about George Bush’s “protest zones” that was all about silencing the opposition….

  • kate8

    Oh, wait. They’re all on government assistance. Well, you’ll just have to look around.

  • Jeff Miller

    There are some very smart and aware people commenting on this blog. I think it would be very beneficial to everyone if those people would take the time to carefully read and constructively comment on the following:

    OK I’ll say it again – With all due respect, all of the above comments in this blog, and those to follow, are irrelevant – even the ones that are true. We are not the first great nation in history that has undergone what we are witnessing in our government and in the consensus of our population today. Never in history of man have the citizens of a democracy or republic been able to stop the inevitable sequence (see below) that our form of government has always gone through throughout history – even though a major portion of those citizens were aware of what was happening, as are we. I’m sure, had they had the Internet, those concerned citizens of past democracies and republics would have had the same discussion. Human nature is what it is and always will be – especially for those in power. Whether Republican, Democrat, Independent or any other party, those in power will always seek more power. The road to power is to make those you seek power over dependent upon you for their safety, sustenance and ultimately their very existence. The most efficient form of government to achieve this is socialism (liberalism). Socialism is a very appealing dogma for the masses, especially to those with limited intellect or historical knowledge. At its onset it seems very benevolent, with the general population’s well being the sole reason for its existence and is usually contrasted to “evil capitalism.” The problem is that the humans who wind up administering socialism always ultimately achieve dictatorial power over their constituents for the reasons stated above. We can rant, rave and comment all we want; the reality is we may as well be standing on the tracks waiting to stop the oncoming train (the human nature of those in power) with our bare hands. You may slow it down slightly, but you’ll never stop it. When will folks ever learn – history ALWAYS repeats itself. Hopefully this time we can skip phases seven, eight and one and go directly to phase two of the sequence, though I doubt we will.

    About the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse DUE TO LOOSE FISCAL POLICY, which is ALWAYS followed by a dictatorship.”

    “The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

    1. From bondage to spiritual faith;

    2. From spiritual faith to great courage;

    3. From courage to liberty;

    4. From liberty to abundance;

    5. From abundance to complacency;

    6. From complacency to apathy;

    7. From apathy to dependence;

    8. From dependence back into bondage

    We are presently in the apathy stage.

    • TIME

      Jeff Dude, A very fine post, I thank you for taking the time to display this very clearly for even the most simple.

      Live long and prosper my friend.

      • Jeff Miller

        Thank you. I only wish others would stop bickering and blaming and unite to figure out how we can get out of this mess. There is a way, a non-violent way, but we’ve all got to be on the same page. I’m sure you know as well as I do what this way is. Unfortunately, as a firm believer in human nature, I think mankind will have to go through the “sequence” a few more times before things change. Notice you were the only one thoughtful enough to respond to my comments. Everyone else was too busy with their own personal rants.

        • Dr. Mabuse

          I admire your faith in logic and common sense Jeff, but there are more than a few obstacles in your way. Certain individuals are so mired in this left-right, liberal-conservative paradigm, that bickering and blaming is their raison d’etre and there’ll be the weeping and gnashing of teeth in the outer darkness before they give this childish behavior up. Additionally, some will never be in the same book that you’re in, much less the same page. Finally, all the hate and vitriol being spouted will only lead us further down the rabbit hole and not “out of this mess” as you put it.
          Is there no help for this poor widow’s son?

          • Jeff Miller

            Dr.

            Exactly my point. Unfortunately these people will be participating in one of those sequences outlined in my first post. Probably the last two.

    • JC

      Actually Jeff, I think we’re beyond apathy and into dependency.
      But your point is valid. I for one will not be marched willingly into bondage. And for anyone who is?….just follow American Liberal.

      Here’s a thought for us all…

      If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.
      Samuel Adams

  • American liberal

    Most of you rightys are just ignorant blowhards with not enough backbone to really carry out your anti goverment threats… You better know.. It’s aginst the law to threaten violence aginst our lawfully elected goverment… It makes you traitors…

    • Jeff Miller

      AL:

      You must be King George III reincarnate. But you probably don’t even know who King George was. LOL

      • Herb Tarlik

        Let’s see King George, isn’t he the guy that used to be in the Whitehouse before Obama?

        • Jeff Miller

          Herb,

          I understand why you say that. I, though a Republican all my life, feel the same way you do. However, unless we as citizens can all unite in November to oust ALL the incumbents, we are doomed to the fate of every other great democracy before us. (Please read my comments above) It is not about blame or who is bad or who’s is right or wrong. Our elected officials don’t consciously want to destroy our great country. They simply are doing what all other democratic governments in the past have done, it’s just human nature. It only tears us apart to demonize and blame others for our situation. We need to all unite and save our nation and our government from itself.

        • Meteorlady

          Blame Bush is BOOOOORRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGG.

      • JC

        Jeff, he / she / it is a paid shill here to bait people.

    • Airangel

      How is standing up for your rights threatening violence? How is disagreeing threatening violence? Protesting and disagreeing are allowed. Making your voice heard is allowed or did you not know that? Electing those you don’t like in office is ALLOWED. As long as we live in a democracy, we can say things like “all incumbents out” and exercise “OUR RIGHT” to vote them out…those are allowable threats…or didn’t you know that either?

    • 1492

      Hey, don’t argue with them. They think Sarah Palin is smart. nough said. LOL

    • http://verizon kbab777

      Yeah but the worshiping will probably come to a stop when they put you on one of the death trains. Read my article at the bottom.

    • http://verizon kbab777

      AMERICAN LIBERAL Yes but wait til they put you on one of those death trains then you might think twice about worshiping the anointed one.

    • Meteorlady

      EWWWWWW another well thought out and intelligent post. Name calling and insults. Way to get your point across. Thanks

  • kate8

    Where were you when your guys were calling for Bush’s assassination?

    You are an idiot. Go away.

  • kate8

    I just watched this great video that all patriots should see. It will
    help give perspective on what’s going on and what we can do about it.

    http://dprogram.net/2010/03/29/video-cia-officer-robert-steele-stresses-the-importance-of-blogging/?utm_source=feedburner

  • kate8

    Wo what do you all think of the rounding up and arresting of militia
    today, who were supposedly going to “kill police officers, all in the name of Jesus”?

    I don’t believe a word of it. These commies know that the militia is a big threat, and they’ve been setting up conservatives for some time now as “homeland terrorists”. The next phase is being implemented….

    The media has been doing all they can to discredit militia for years.
    They know that they are a force to be reckoned with. Our Law demands that We the People maintain a “well-armed militia” to protect us from government tyranny.

    • chuck b

      kate8

      unless i read the news wrong,drudge reported the roundup of the militia in michigan was caused by threats they had nade to muslim groups in that area.there was no reference to threats on the police. of course with this admin. a threat to muslim’s is worse than one to the police.

      • Claire

        I have close relatives in Michigan near the scene of the incident. They have told me otherwise. They have told me this so-called militia were gunning for police. I find it crazy that we get so many different stories. In this case, I believe my relatives.

      • American Citizen

        I seriously doubt they were true Christians. There are always “loonies” out there who are so paranoid they have to have some “cause” to act violently. Look at the groups throughout the history of this country and see what they have in common. KKK, SDIS, etc. All used violence to gain, or try to, gain their ends.

        • eyeswideopen

          American, why don’t you look at their web site? They actually didn’t sound any more radical than what has been spoken here on this site. Many have spoken of killing Muslim’s in Christ’s name, so I am not surprised by the group arrested. Pretty sure some will be arrested from this site too.

          • JeffH

            Might just be you, for crimes against America…also known as treason.
            You’re a real joke these days.

  • kate8

    I called AmLib a “scumbag” because that was the word he kept hurling.
    I just gave it back to him so he’d maybe get it, but he won’t.

    As of now I am officially ignoring you libs. I know better than to engage you, anyway, but I’ve had a slow day. You like to dish it out,
    but you really can’t take it.

  • http://verizon kbab777

    Yeah I was online today remember Glen Beck denying fema death camps? Well it must have just scared him because there is just too much evidence you go to google images and type in fema death camps and page after page of evidence you can find 800 locations state by state and then also on american thinker today they just posted an article why they think obama is about to call martial law since he has posted 400,000 peacekeeper police on american soil and they are thinking it will be in the fall because of using swine flu for an excuse to call it. I also saw the double decker train cars they call the death cars equipped with the shackles and all.

    • eyeswideopen

      kbab777, they have been around since Jan 2006, what do you think Bush had in mind for them??

  • Jack Lovett

    I do belive our only remedy at this late stage (other than extream violence) Is the grand jury. They can be convened by the public, contrary to what the lying scum lawyers/judges tell us. Lets all work on it in our local areas.

    jclbiz

  • 14Freedomfighter88

    “In office for 14 months, the Obama-Pelosi-Reid triumvirate worked to enact a socialist, European-style big government healthcare system on America.”

    Yayayaya. But don’t forget one very important thing: those “european-style big governments” were installed and made possible by the American gov’t after WW2. Europe was once free between 1933 and 1945.
    “Thanks” to big America and its soviet buddies, those freedoms were crushed in 1945.
    So blame all troubles on yourself.

  • kate8

    I don’t know, Chuck b. I don’t believe most of what comes over the airwaves. You know, the news is what they say it is.

    I heard it from Shep Smith, a dem. He said something about them planning to attack a police funeral or something. I don’t believe anything of the sort. This is the plan to start rounding up patriots.
    They accuse them of planning acts of terrorism, and haul them off.
    I read that the news stories are already written. And the neighbors
    will all be surprised, but won’t question it.

    It’s always the same. No one will stand up, and when there is no one left, there is no one to stand up for you.

  • kate8

    Yes, Jack. I heard of a grand jury being convened to investigate the legitimacy issue awhile back, but if there is no court who will listen to them, what then?

    I have thought about this often. But where do you go after you have the grand jury findings? Citizen groups are not being respected by
    our officials. They have set up roadblocks at every turn. You still
    have to have a court willing to hear the case.

  • stephen russell

    We lost the Republic due to our dumping God from A-Z.
    We gave the enemy our Republic by our voting.
    Coup time?
    Revival time?
    War?

    I blame those who voted for Obama & allies & KNEW WHAT HE WAS vs those who voted the for McCain.
    & then those who got caught up in the “celeb” vote for Obama.

    Dems= socialisim, unionisim, Mob, crime, immorality, laziness, dependence on govt, More Govt, more taxes & think we the Common Voters are stupid,

    What say U for Nov?

  • kate8

    Jeff, hardly anyone responds to anyone’s comments. Don’t take it so
    personally. We all have things we’d like to say, and the fact that
    we don’t comment doesn’t mean we don’t appreciate the post.

  • James Corbin

    Anything would be better than what we have. We are getting too much government control!!!!!!!

  • chuck b

    hobie says

    your plan for the independent party is no doubt based on patriotism. however, splitting the vote in this next election is only going to guarantee the obanger admin. the continued majority in congress. i believe we should as conservatives support the tea party movement and back conservative candidates for the republican party. the republican status quo does not deserve another chance, the key is to back people supported by independents and the tp to run on the republican ticket and build a new party in the old one. we don’t need the msm and fox news to pick our candidate’s by their polling. the opportunity is now and its the only way we can stop the progressive movememt. remember ross perot! “bill clinton’s favorite party” you will get the same result running a 3rd part candidate.

  • http://chuckandsue@hotmail.com Sue Ponusky

    Rob…you are the idiot and probably a loony liberal or Acorn plant on this website. With your insulting posts YOU are contributing to inciting violence BTW it’s Oswald, not Ozwald.

  • Santa

    This is part of the reason why Democats have gained control of the House, Senate and Whitehouse.

    A February RNC trip to California, for example, included a $9,099 stop at the Beverly Hills Hotel, $6,596 dropped at the nearby Four Seasons, and $1,620.71 spent [update: the amount is actually $1,946.25] at Voyeur West Hollywood, a bondage-themed nightclub featuring topless women dancers imitating lesbian sex.

    RNC trips to other cities produced bills from a long list of chic and costly hotels such as the Venetian and the M Resort in Las Vegas, and the W (for a total of $19,443) in Washington. A midwinter trip to Hawaii cost the RNC $43,828, not including airfare.

    And they call themselves Conservative? Come on! Throw the bums out!

  • http://Verizon.net Bud Grounds

    Jeff Miller: I responded to you on another issue. You are a good man and agree with you to a degree. I do think all left leaning politicians should be voted out but there are a few Republicans that deserve to stay because of their hard nosed stand. An Independent running on an Independent ticket would divide, not conquer but an Independent running on a Republican ticket will most likely win. At this point, I think this is the only way we can stop this train wreck in Congress. It is probably how most of the Tea Party people think as well since the majority are Independents and know they would split the vote but believe they would favor going Republican over Democrat. The Tea Party Democrats would find an Independent Republican more palatable than a Republican and the Republicans are going to vote for anyone that isn’t a Democrat. It is very possible that the Democrats could inject people who claim to be Independent in the race so it important the electorate know who they are voting for or we are back to square one.
    I have voted both Democrat and Republican in the past. Being from Florida, I backed Senator Nelson for years and Kathy Castor, both Democrats, but voted for Senator Martinez who retired from Congress and now back the Republican Senator LeMieux who replaced him. Senator LeMieux answers all my mail to him with cogent responses and Senator Nelson does as well. Ms Castor prefers the automatic standard response. Both Democrats voted for the Health Care Bill knowing 80 per cent of Florida citizens were against it. The people recognized it would wreck our already teetering economy. Are they out of touch with the those they represent? Did they betray our trust for the sake of their party? Absolutely, and this is why they must be voted out. Democrat or Republican, they must serve those who sent them to Washington, D.C. and I beg those who want to get this done to get out and vote every single politician that voted for this bill. We must change the balance in Congress where this administration cannot drive our country to total collapse and believe me we are very close now.

    I salute you Jeff and all like minded people in these blogs, Keep it going and be there at the polling booth in November.

    • Jeff Miller

      Bud

      If only all our citizens were as astute and informed as you are. I hate to sound cynical but I would bet three quarters or more of our population can’t even name their own state representatives in Congress, let alone know what each one stands for. Voting out or firing all imcumbents would certainly produce casualties but educating the 3/4 of our population just isn’t feasable. It needs to be kept simple, like mandating a maximum 4 year term for all elected officials effective immediately. Until this or something similar happens we’re stuck in the cycle outlined in my first post.

  • JO

    Well you just deleted me because you cannot take the truth, I understand. One more time it is the parties, dems and repub, that are totally to blame for they are only puppets put in place bythe DARK SOURCES that are truly running our government, and you know I speak the truth, have been watching these actions for a very long time, seen several presidencies and know how they act.
    Be truthful for once in your life and if you have anything like a heart you will for you too are only a human being.
    We must clean up, clean house truer words were never spoken, remember our CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS and for what they really stand for – you got it our freedoms.
    Am so tired of listening to the lies and conspiracy crap that rolls off your tongue, it is beginning to sound like a broken record and am sick of it. So let us become whom we really are or as originally set out to be a country that is FOR THE PEOPLE after all if it wasn’t for the people you wouldn’t have a job anyway, so let us all get the real truth and start by removing the vermin within our walls, thankyou very much.

  • alphie

    Having lived 5 years under the brutal Nazi occupation and 2 years under Soviets, I am qualified to explain to you Americans the reality of nazims, communists and islamists. The slightest insult to your head of state would earn you slow death by hanging or bullet. You would not have a vote because there was only one party in power and the leaders did not have to ask anybody what laws to pass because they just issued decrees and it did not matter whether people like them on not. Most of the “socialist” countries in Europe and Canada are free, democratic and quite prosperous and the people are healthy. As regards illegal immigrants, who gave the early English settlers to North America documents or permission to establish the 13 colonies. Later, you invaded or bought the Western lands. Since, you forcibly took Texas, California etc fom Mexico, the Mexicans are just coming home. Bush started an unneccary war which cost you over 2000 young American lives and enough money to pay for 10 health cares.

    • denniso

      Alphie, good comment,and I’m glad you escaped w/ your life. You’re right,that most of these people don’t have a clue what fascism or totalitarianism is when they spout that it exists here under a democratically elected president…some here get away w/ making overt threats against Obama and others and they still say the gov’t is fascist…why then are they allowed to do it?
      The utterly tragic and unnecessary invasion of Iraq has actually killed over 4,500 of our kids and maimed another 100,000 or so. Bush could have finished both wars and ended the tragedy,but no,he lollygagged around and left both for Obama to deal with,while the billions of $$ are still draining away.
      I still wonder that the rightwingers faking a dire concern about gov’t spending don’t question the trillion or so $$ that these wars that Cheny started and didn’t finish will cost us in tax money…
      Hypocrisy???

      • JeffH

        fascism or totalitarianism? Hah,try socialism and Marxism!
        What’s it all about Alphie?

    • JeffH

      Enough generations of socialist policies have now passed for us to judge their effects. They are bleak. Socialism undermines the character of a nation and of its citizens. In simpler words, socialism makes people worse.

      The socialist idea sounded altruistic to those who began it, and it sounds altruistic to the naive who believe in it today. In practice, however, it creates self-centered individuals and a narcissistic society. So while it may have begun as a way to help others, it has come to mean a way of evading responsibility for oneself and for others.

      Socialism teaches its citizens to expect everything, even if they contribute nothing.

      Socialism teaches its citizens that they have a plethora of rights and few corresponding obligations — except to be taxed.

      And that is why the citizens of less socialist — and more religious — America give more charity per capita and per income than do citizens of socialist countries. That is why Americans volunteer time for the needy so much more than citizens of socialist countries do. That is why citizens of conservative states in America give more charity than citizens of liberal states do. The more Left one identifies oneself on the political spectrum, the more that person is likely to believe that the state, not fellow citizens, should take care of the poor and the needy.

      Under socialism, one is not only liberated from having to take care of oneself; one is also liberated from having to take care of others. The state will take care of me and of everybody else.
      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/03/socialism_makes_people_worse.html

      • eyeswideopen

        Ok, the jig is up, this is not JeffH. Who are you?

        • JeffH

          surprise oh blind one.

  • kate8

    I just heard from a reliable (non-political) source that the main reason states are springing into action against Obamacare is because
    inserted in there IS a mandate to get everyone chipped!

    This is serious, folks. I advise anyone who doubts this to do some
    research on just what chips are capable of today. They can not only
    hold every piece of information on everything that breathes, but they
    also are capable of emitting frequencies to control our minds and bodies. They even are capable of termination.

    This is not science fiction. Don’t forget, without the chip you cannot buy or sell. This is the REAL reason this was forced on us.
    Anyone who thinks the government cares about our health is deluded.

    • Claire

      So we are all going to be microchipped like our pets? I would sincerely like to know where this is coming from. Do you have any links that say this? Very interesting and I have my own thoughts about this. I need to know more….

      • tommy boy

        yeah man! It’s true starting in 2011 all new babies will get a chip put in them. Then they are going to start with adults in 2014. The Government is going to own us. If we don’t do it we will be put in Fema camp.

        • JeffH

          tommy boy, could it be that you are a liberal using this site for spewing your fear mongering tactics?
          Buyer beware of this guy…

        • coal miner

          Tommy Boy,

          Are you Tommy Barns?I am getting mine through the mail.I would be careful talking to JeffH,he is involve with that Joys of Satan.I always knew he was kind of Weird,to put it mildly.For the chip, you got to follow directions for it to work properly.I have to put my micro-chip up my anal cavity and use a staple gun.The govenment will know where I am at.I already feel safe and secure.Who said big government doesn’t work? Ha Ha Ha.

      • denniso

        Claire, that comment about microchipping people is utterly untrue and ridiculous…don’t even waste your time on it.

    • coal miner

      Kate8,

      What source is that? Globe magazine?JeffH knows.He will put those chips in, free of charge.He is member and good standing with The Joys Of Satan.

  • http://ordy@fedtel./net Eric g

    I really dont think the contsitutiuon has ever been followed very well by any of our elected governments . Just think of slavery . How does it fit in with the constitution or the bill of rights . It took a 100 yrs before the constitution ended slavery . And it took another 100 yrs before the bill of rights kicked in . Justice delayed is Justice denied . I recall reading about a preacher to the indians explaining to his indian friend . That the only choice was to teach the indians christianity or exterminate all the indians . I believe that was a good clear correct way to explain the situation . I recall this Indian making a list of complaints to this preacher , and these guys discussed various Indian costumes of Indian culture that actually served their society better then Judo Christian costumes , Often times they were so much the same that Jesus christ may have been the great spirit of these indians , But the Christian preachers interpetation of Gods will was the law that always one out . When it comes to religion this option of conversion or excution is often the only two choices . This was the option given to most of the american Indians and negroes , so here again the constitution protected no one . Integrating people of various religious beliefs is very serrious deal . Particularly when execution or extermination is the only options seen . This has been the trouble with the Balkans for hundreds of yrs . This maybe europes problem and soon the whole worlds problem with the muslim population . What I want to say is for tea party people to be insisting the constitution protect them from the power of government . The constitution is a great document and it is something we should strive to follow , but it has a long history of being very slow to help .

    • libertytrain

      Eric g. While none of us would say slavery, or what was done to the Indians was correct – and it wasn’t and isn’t correct today – at that point in time, that was life as they knew it, and how they lived their lives with their beliefs for their moment in history.

  • http://ordy@fedtel./net Eric g

    Well we are not on the same page . republicans are plentyfull here , and Reagan is their king . Ronnie ran up the debts plenty , not Clinton and his republican congress , but Bush did too . So the word conservative means nothing comming from a liberal republican . Why can’t you just print money ? Hitler did , he took a bankrupt broke country and turned it it into a powerfull well armed country that almost conqured the entire world in 10 yrs . And if we had not stoped him he would have controled the world . And the German Mark would have been good as gold . Trouble is with money and governments is faith . If the world loses faith in the dollar , the mark ,or the Ruble . Rosevelt was right we have nothing to fear accept fear . all money is just faith in that governments ability to keep us working .

    • James

      Eric g, If you believe that government’s purpose is ‘to keep us working,’ you’re a socialist. Prior to FDR’s socialists programs, during the Great Depression, no one even thought of that. Add federal or U.N. troops and we have communism.

      • denniso

        Wrong…before Roosevelt the feds and state gov’ts worked hand in hand w/ the railroad barons,the auto makers,the mining companies and more.The gov’t was probably more owned by big biz then it is now…

        • JeffH

          Typical socialist mentality, it is all the corporations fault.

  • Barb

    American Liberal,
    I maybe a little too late to be responding to your comment about the Tea Party members but I have to anyway! Any and all reports that have come out from the Lame stream media about the Tea Party movement has been absolute lies and distortions from the get-go! Any “study” you may have read will also be distorted. Now if you are referring to Social Security as a government program then yes there would be a large number of members on SS but no where near 95%. Add in Medicare and you would have the same percentage. I would also point out that these Government programs are also funded by the very people who are receiving the programs at least the majority do. Unlike the government programs the the libs live on like Welfare and Medicaid. Two programs that working people fund for non-workers! Also I would point out to you that so far the wackos out there seem to be on the left as most of the so called death threats and “violence” towards Democratic Congressmen were unfounded and death threats to Republican congressmen have resulted in arrests! Also the Tea Party in Nevada which by the way was much larger than reported of course was said to be very peaceful, with no problems for law enforcement as they all have been! So I wonder about your “Study” and who is behind it and why. Also try to understand the Tea Party movement is just that, a movement not a political party. We are a very diverse cross section of Fed-up, patriotic, loyal, and scared Americans doing what ever we can to preserve what we hold dear. If that is wacko then so be it!

    • denniso

      The Tea party is an all white,middle aged group who sat back while Cheny/Bush wrecked the economy and broke the budget…a black man gets elected in an unprecedented turn of history and tries to fix the economy he inherited,and suddenly we have an outraged Tea party…where were they for 8 yrs of Cheny spying on Americans and sending our kids off to die in Iraq in a fraudulent war? Oh yeah,Cheny was white and a Repub.

      • JeffH

        duh!nisso, you are a bigot far worse than I had imagined. You speak out of ignorance and have absolutly zero knowledge about the Tea Party.

    • eyeswideopen

      Barb, please forgive us, we didn’t know that only libs are on medicaid and welfare. Maybe you should check Fl stats, as most of this state are repubs, and we have a very high number on medicaid. They are also mainly white. Hate to ruin your day, but most of your assumptions are not correct. http://www.Truthout.org/article/millions-americans-living-severe-poverty

    • eyeswideopen

      Barb, you might want to check this site as it shows how many whites are living in poverty. I will try to find you stats on how many are dems vs reps, but I don’t think they really care what party they belong too, they are just trying to survive day to day. Be sure to scroll down to race and gender area.

      http://www.pbs.org/peoplelikeus/resources/stats.html

      • eyeswideopen

        Barb, also note, those stats were from 1999. It is actually 27 million whites who are poor and have no insurance.

  • Barb

    Jeff Miller,
    Wow, I missed your post at first this morning but saw your other one talking about it and went back and found it! Very profound and very scary! It makes total sense though, the question is what can we do to stop it and get back to where we were or can we? I was scared before now I’m terrified!

    • Jeff Miller

      Barb,

      Unfortunately I don’t hold out much hope for interupting the time tested sequence. Like I said we might slow it down but we’ll never stop it. It would take a Hurculean effort by all of our citizens united with one goal – to completely replace all incumbents in Congress and the Senate in November. You can see by simply reading the posts above, this will never happen. Too much blaming, hate and greed out there. Humans will be humans and that’s why we’ll always suffer the same fate over and over until we evolve into a much much more enlightened society. That will take a few more centuries if we can last that long.

      • JeffH

        Jeff Miller, all we have to rely on is each other to make the right decisions at the right time to fight this erosion of America. History proves it can be done, but history also proves that this can’t be done as individuals.

        • Jeff Miller

          Jeff,

          Sorry, I beg to differ. History proves, so far, it can’t be done.

          • JeffH

            Would The Revolutionary War be an example of people coming together for a common cause? Don’t misunderstand me. I in no way am advocating revolution such as that, but a spirited, peacefull revolution.

          • eyeswideopen

            JeffH, ok, who is writting for you?? Have you let someone else use your name? This is definately not the regular Jeff, who is always on this site.

          • JeffH

            Oh yes, it is I, eyes.

  • bruce milne

    i love reading this “publication”…. i am a person who is more socialist than conservative. unlike many, i enjoy reading opinions i do not agree with. i certainly find that here. i am appreciative of the differences in society, but i don’t much care for the “hate” on either side. is it just me, or do others observe that the “tea partiers” appear to be older, whiter, and fatter, than the average person? they kind of scare me. anyway, thanks for the “news” and the stellar entertainment. :)

    • Reader

      Bruce baby, maybe you should rethink what you are doing with your time and your life (both are uniquely and preciously yours)… Americans are not socialists. With your Socialist leanings you would probably be happier in a Socialist country. Now let’s see, which one would suit you best… ah, France? At a recent dinner with socialists, they stated after a lot of wine and wonderful dinner, that it wasn’t common for them or anyone in France to sit talking as openly and loudly as we were about politics, our politicians, our society. They could do street protests that they arranged covertly and then produce the action, but the fact was that they really didn’t trust each other enough to express their political opinions if they disagreed with any aspect of socialism. Surprise to me, since I’ve seen the street Protests, and have heard Frenchmen speaking out publicly, but yes, not against socialism. However, there seems to be “lines not to cross” and a known danger in personally speaking openly even in dinners with family and friends in France. NOT WHAT WE DO I exclaimed. WE TALK, WE ARGUE, WE FIGHT AMONG OURSELVES, WE ARE FREE.

      So, Bruce, it is your LIFE. You are in the best country ever on the face of this planet. Look at what is in your life that is giving you trouble and correct it… so that you can EITHER live and think freely as an American or move to a socialist country where you won’t be unsettled reading anything about hate and will be with skinny young people of all colors who will not challenge you to think. You ARE free here to hate, just know who what when where and why, and be responsible -don’t hurt anybody in the process, and you ARE free here to love, just know who what when where and why and be responsible. Don’t miss it. It’s called FREEDOM… and this is called the HOME of the BRAVE. Gosh this place is great. Go enjoy it as a free man, breath the air of freedom, and dump the socialist crap, it has never worked. Socialists get brainwashed into being mean unhappy people who want to make everybody else mean and unhappy.

      • JeffH

        Reader, I really enjoy your most refreshing and “to the point” comments.

    • JeffH

      bruce milne, may I ask what part of being involved in a Tea Party, being old, white and fat scares you the most? My experiences with Tea Party people have exposed a very diverse group of Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, black, Asian, native American, European, Latino, young, middle aged and old that all have a common thread that brings them together. Get out and see first hand. Don’t reveal your political leanings and most of all don’t let the cable or network TV influence your thought of the Tea Party movement. You just might be surprised at how much you have been duped.

    • American Citizen

      That’s funny, I see people of all sizes,ages and colors at the Tea Party rallies. Maybe there are more older people there because they are retired and able to more freely attend since they no longer are working at a job having to not only support themselves and their families, but the lazy good-for-nothings on the dole. Maybe they are there because they know what’s at stake. Socialism has never worked anywhere it’s been tried, even those countries that have it now. They are in trouble financially even as we are now. And we’re not there yet as far as being socialistic. The way this country is headed, it won’t even be socialism but communism. How otherwise do you control a population of 310,000,000 and counting? Wake up.

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      Brucs, perhaps if it’s gods will, you’ll live long enough, to be a gray haired old pain in someone else’s a$$, so they too can grip about your rhetoric._-The circle continues!

  • Hugh

    “The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work instead of living on public assistance.” ~Cicero, 55 BC~

    So what have we learned in 2,065 years?

    Evidently somewhere between not much and nothing.

  • eddie47d

    Americans love bickering, just like my comments will absolutely do no good. Republicans got voted out and are crying like babies. Their distortions,lies and media manipulations might get them re-elected in the fall,but at what price? They care less about the Republic than the power they lost. Go ahead and whip your militias into a frenzy and bring darker days to America. Your always invoking marxism into everything you say. It just means you want to rule by fear and smear. Yesterday I received an e-mail from my sister in Florida. She had received an e-mail from a Dr. Fraser on the Healthcare Reform Bill. All 50 statements he made from the healthcare bill (and sent out to thousands) were distorted lies. Not a one had even a half truth to it. I debunked all 50 and sent it back to my sister. She apologized and said she must not have read Dr. Frasers comments very well. It’s not surprising that so many people are wrongly influenced by these “chain letter” e-mails and so accepting this fiction as facts. So I know how the right wingers plot and deceive. You can’t accuse the Democrates of manipulations when your doing far worse.

    • Reader

      eddie47d… yup, and with a few more reads of ol Saul’s guidelines, we are going to get better at it.

      So, eddie! Who can a fella trust these days!!!!! Me thinks your sis was backing out of an argument with someone with a harsh socialist leaning… am I right? Are you a socialist? You can say it, this is a free country. Speak with the beautiful blood soaked earned freedom of speech. If I misread your comment, please forgive me. In my mind it would be horrible to accuse someone who is NOT a socialist of being one… I am free to tell everyone I AM AN AMERICAN WHO LOVES THIS COUNTRY AND PLEDGES MY ALLEGIANCE, GRATEFULLY, TO IT AND MY AMERICAN COUNTRYMEN.

      • JeffH

        I read you loud and clear Reader.

  • Merl Elton

    This bill seems to be an outline in skeletal form for health care reform. It could be impossible to repeal. There is hope because each party will add; and delete from the framework. If the Dems pass bad legislation, the Reps can replace what they do not like when they get into office. So its not the end of the world; it is just a new world. The Reps can win Congress back by showing they can do what the Dems propose to do with more patient choice, better services, less cost, lower taxes; and by restoring Medicare which the Dems have already started gutting. As Congress person Bachman says: Granny is not shovel ready. It is a new world; let’s hope it is not like the totalitarian brave new world of Aldous Huxley; read the book; its great.

  • http://Verizon.net Bud Grounds

    Jo: Who were you directing your comments to?

  • Sunny

    First of all, we do not ever, ever,ever give up or in to the progressive’s agenda. We must let our anger, our frustrations, our will to be free drive us forward. We must recognize our heritage and do all we can to stop this maddness. There are more of us than them. It is our heritage to stand erect, proud, and unafraid. To think and act for ourselves. We must not trade our freedom for enslavement by the government or our dignity for a handout. We must never cower before any master nor bend to any threat. It is our heritage to enjoy the benefit of our labors and face the the challenges of these times and with God’s help, reclaim what belongs to us. We must not let them win.

    • JeffH

      Sunny, your thoughts are a mirror of the majority of patriotic Americans that have, or are starting to, realize the error of their ways. The intent of Obama and his socialist/marxist/communist cohorts must be stopped for the sake of freedom for all. As America falls, so does the hope of our allies fall.
      “Give me Liberty, or give me Death!” is a famous quotation attributed to Patrick Henry from a speech he made to the Virginia Convention. It was given on March 23, 1775, at St. John’s Church in Richmond, Virginia, and is credited with having swung the balance in convincing the Virginia House of Burgesses to pass a resolution delivering the Virginia troops to the Revolutionary War. Among the delegates to the convention were future US Presidents Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. Reportedly, those in attendance, upon hearing the speech, shouted, “To arms! To arms!”

  • http://att.net Deborah

    Everything O’bama and the Democrats are doing is unconstitutional. Hopefully, the states will be able to stop this health care and the other legislation O’bama and the Democrats are planning to push down our throats. If, the states are unsucessful, what will happen is the whole thing will collapse. God help us if that happens. It will be total anarchy.

    • JeffH

      It all rests in the hands of The Supreme Court, lawyers, the States Attorney Generals and the will of the people.

  • JeffH

    ID cards: taxman allowed access to personal data
    Tax officials will be allowed access to personal data gathered for the controversial ID cards scheme, it has been disclosed.

    • eyeswideopen

      JeffH, the link you posted is for the UK, not the US.

      • JeffH

        That is 100% correct, as it should have been.

  • Boo Ewald Taylor

    We all know that what’s going on is wrong wrong wrong, I’m not in favor of either “party” I just want honesty and truth, but apparently that’s not possible. The simple answer would be to throw them all out and start over, but that’s not realistic (that’s my fantasy, and no, I do NOT want to be in charge). What the hell can we do??

    • Crazy Thinker

      It could be done, but the people would have to work together to do it. Getting them to think in ways other than party can be hard to do.

      The 2010 midterm election will be held on Tuesday, November 2 with at least 36 of the 100 seats in the Senate being contested and all House seats coming up for election.

      The current make-up of the U.S. House of Representatives is 256 Democrats, 178 Republicans and one vacancy. All members of the House will face re-election in 2010. While it is unlikely that the Democratic Party will lose control of the House in 2010, historically the party that wins the White House loses seats in the following midterm elections. This, combined with the fact that Democrats currently hold a substantial majority in House, points to a likelihood that the Democrats will lose a large number of seats in the 2010.

  • American Citizen

    A quote by Schweitzer, “Man is a clever animal who acts like an imbecile.”

    • American Citizen

      It should have read,”who behaves like an imbecile.” Same difference.

  • JeffH

    Under socialism, one is not only liberated from having to take care of oneself; one is also liberated from having to take care of others. The state will take care of me and of everybody else.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/03/socialism_makes_people_worse.html

    • American Citizen

      What it doesn’t say is that the state will tell you what and when you can eat, where you can go, etc. You will not live in luxury, but all will live in poverty. Look at Russia, China, Cuba, and all the other countries where the government “take care of the people.” How many are free to express their opinions without being thrown into jail or worse. The only ones who will be rich will be the rulers.

  • eddie47d

    Reader; No, Your out in left field or is that right field.

  • eddie47d

    kbab777; No credibilitywith you. Death Trains! More righty propaganda. Fema Camps ! That rumor was started years ago by the militias<and totally debunked!

  • eddie47d

    kate8; Still in denial about militias 15 years after Oklahoma. Mcveigh was also trained in Michigan.

  • Save America Susie

    “Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we

    should soon want bread.” –Thomas Jefferson

    • JeffH

      You can say that again.

  • Save America Susie

    “Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we would soon want bread.”

    —Pres. Thomas jefferosn

  • Senior Cesar

    GOD HAVE MERCY ON AMERICA, SAID HE,.
    BECAUSE WHAT KIND OF REPUBLIC IS THIS?
    The supreme court justices in the case of Bush V. Gore in the year 2000 were forgers of political lies and cheats. They were altogether of no value to the American people. At hearing the supreme court cheat on who won, Al Gore said, “God have mercy on America.” That was as if he knew in his conscience that some thing very bad have been done which required the intervention of divine judgment. But Al Gore said. “God have mercy on America.“ Then, a few months later, came 9/11 extraordinary terrorists attack in New York. Unprecedented was the supreme court cheat on Al Gore, and unprecedented was the 9/11 devastating attack on the Tween Towers. Repblcn Pres. Bush Jr. for eight years wandered in the wilderness of no understanding how he got the nation in a bloody mess, there was not weapons of mass destruction. That was a hallucination, something imagined and written on the intelligence reports .

    The proper wisdom was to retreat immediately after Bush’s initial response. This was the democratic position. But Bush stayed put and that was his main failure as the commander in chief of a war. Spain took its support away. Today, Osama Bin Laden still at large. He is mocking at the U.S. military. And many of his terrorists are well kept and secured from danger and hunger in the Thomson, Illinois high security prison. He has caused very many innocent American-citizens and soldiers to loose their precious lives. And he still is a terrorist threat all over the world. And furthermore, to hide the cheat of the supreme court, the 2004 elections were manipulated and snatched away from Senator Kerry. And again by treacherous means Bush stays in office. But only to disintegrate the economy of the country. And all of these insanity perpetrated on the American taxpayer is republicantly legal. So, God have mercy on America have become the popular saying of this nation. It is a good thing that patriotic Obama, Ms.Pelosi, and Mr. Reid are here trying to bring that God’S mercy to Americans. The name calling of the rightists are rotten. They are blind to fairness. Rightists are just insane with half truths, bad brains, bad thoughts, disloyal to human needs and love of happiness and responsibility before God and society.

    [These are history and facts by one most hurt by republican’s doings.]

    • JeffH

      Senior Cesar, the most knowledgable attorney at large has spoken, not only about America, but also against the Supreme Court Justices.
      He says:”It is a good thing that patriotic Obama, Ms.Pelosi, and Mr. Reid are here trying to bring that God’S mercy to Americans. The name calling of the rightists are rotten. They are blind to fairness. Rightists are just insane with half truths, bad brains, bad thoughts, disloyal to human needs and love of happiness and responsibility before God and society”.

      “The supreme court justices in the case of Bush V. Gore in the year 2000 were forgers of political lies and cheats.”

      1. Because this is America, you are aloud to voice your opinion without having your tongue cut out. Right or wrong.
      2. To quote Al Gore, much less support that “Global Warning” Fraud who has raped American’s cofer to the tune of hundreds of millions.
      3. Get over it! You sound like Obama scolding the Supreme Court Justice during his SOTU speech, which was the wrong place and time to do so.

      I can guess by your comments that you do have a very twisted definition of the meanings of “lies and cheats” which coincides with the Marxist president and the socialists you obviously admire.

  • Senior Cesar

    1. Because this is America, you are aloud to voice your opinion without having your tongue cut out. Right or wrong.
    THAT IS WHY YOU STILL HAVE YOUR HEALTHY TONGUE IN PLACE, Jeff.
    —————————————————————————————————
    2. To quote Al Gore, much less support that “Global Warning” Fraud who has raped American’s cofer to the tune of hundreds of millions.
    JEFF, YOU NEED TO PRESENT REAL EVIDENCE TO THE COURT, OR YOU WILL BE PROCESSED FOR DEFAMATORY MALICIOUS TALKS.
    __________________________________________________________________
    3. Get over it! You sound like Obama scolding the Supreme Court Justice during his SOTU speech, which was the wrong place and time to do so.
    YOU TALKS AS IF THE EDUCATED PRESIDENT HAVE TO DO THINGS YOUR WAY OR HE WILL BE WRONG. JEFF, YOUR ARE TALKING WAY OUT OF LINE AGAIN. YOUR IMAGINATION OF HOW THINGS SHOULD BE DONE IN AMERICA SOUND VERY STRANGE TO BE MERELY NATURAL OR HUMAN. YOU HAVE TO TRY TO DISCOVER WHAT IS DRIVING YOUR THOUGHTS.
    ——————————————————————————————————
    I can guess by your comments that you do have a very twisted definition of the meanings of “lies and cheats” which coincides with the Marxist president and the socialists you obviously admire.
    NO, JEFF, IT IS ALL THE WAY AROUND, YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING TWISTING YOUR THOUGHTS. THE DEFINITION OF “LIES AND CHEATS” IS TOTALLY DEMOCRATICLY CORRECT AND NEEDS NO DRIVING AWAY TO OTHER DEFINITION OF STRANGE POLITICS OF OTHER COUNTRIES. YOU, JEFF HAVE A MENTAL PULLING TO THOSE CRAZY MARXIST VIEWS THAT ALWAYS POP UP IN YOUR MIND TO ACCUSE OTHERS. I CAN SEE THAT YOU ARE VERY FOND OF THE POLITICAL VIEWS THAT ARE CONTRARY TO THE LEGAL DEMOCRACY OF THE USA.
    ______________________________________________________________________

    • JeffH

      Senior Cesar, having read your rebuttal I do realize that you are just a liberal “sympathizer” pushing for more of the same. SC…the cat is out of the bag and we ain’t playin that game anymore…you and your nutcase buddies are nothing more than flies on the bulls glutias maximus to be squashed like the vermin you are by freedom loving Americans throughout this great country we call home.
      God Bless a socialist free America.

    • Allan

      Sorry Cesar, but you weren’t in the Oval Office or the Supreme Court when any decisions were made, and your arguments are nothing more than assumption and wishful thinking.

    • Allan

      Greetings. I have two questions:

      First, a quick background. I believe, along with many on this forum, that term limits and finance reform (campaign and post-election) are the most critical reforms needed. We can’t just hope that good candidates get elected. I believe that most of Congress is corrupt and that the major political parties are abusing voter trust.

      I have thought about running for Congress as an Independent, though I don’t have the required millions of $. My platform is as follows:

      1. introduce bills for term limits and finance reform.
      2. vote the district’s majority wishes and post all votes on line.
      3. serve only one term.

      Question #1: would you vote for a candidate with the above platform?
      Question #2: would you support a Constitutional Convention to remedy erosion of constitutional freedoms?

      I appreciate the feedback,
      Allan

      • JeffH

        Allan, I agree that term limits are needed but 1 term might not be enought to accomplish much. I would prefer either 2 x 4yr term limits or 3 x 3 yr limits.
        I would very much like to see a Constitutional convention.

        Thanks, JeffH

        • Allan

          Thanks Jeff. My theory is that the “citizen legislator”, with a real career and local community role at stake, will be less corruptible than someone who has re-election on their mind. It’s at re-election time that the spin starts. It becomes a lifestyle instead of a call to service. I remember a California congressman a few years ago who said he’d gone in with a very principled focus and found himself gradually making compromises. Declined to run again, which I thought was honorable.

    • keith

      what a crock of pure 110% bovine manure!

  • http://Verizon.net Bud Grounds

    Senior Cesar: I agree with Jeff as it appears many in these blogs do.

    You spoke about about the court decision on Gore vs Bush. I live in Florida and watched the entire fiasco on the vote count, after count. The votes for Al Gore continued to increase in the counties where the Democrats were in the majority. They discovered felons voting for Gore,absentee ballots from overseas were disallowed which normally favor Republicans. They gave him a lot more than the benefit of doubt. After all this, Gore still lost so he had to take it to court. Do you remember the campaign run when Clinton and Gore were building up their campaign chest? Did you see that Al Gore got caught being the bag boy with illegal campaign contributions from China. Facts, not fiction and you are certainly welcome to check for verification.
    That said, I have always voted for the person, not the party but like Jeff, I think all politicians tenure in Congress should be limited as the influences there corrupt.

    This is a very different country now than it was 50 years ago and both parties have enacted legislation that has either weakened the economy or took away your civil liberties. You cannot expect this country to survive if you believe in distribution of wealth when 5% of the people are paying most of the taxes unless everyone pays a consumption tax. You do realize that there are millions who pay no tax at all and living on welfare but the liberal voice can only talk about all those old people on the dole. Could it be those people paid their taxes to include Social Security and probably will not live long enough to make up what they paid in? With a 500 million cut in Medicare, there will be no change in Health Care for them. Right, and I believe in the tooth fairy. Sorry about the sarcasm.

    Like you, I believe everyone has the right, so far, to state their opinion and I respect yours but how long will we be able to do this without being censured or jailed for stating it? As Jeff said, we are further down the road.

  • devil dog

    The only way to defeat these idiots, is at the ballot box, however too many of our kids are indoctrinated at so called ‘institutions of higher learning’ where all the profs, are nutso. Don’t go for it kids, have a mind of your own, and tell them to get lost —please! Take it from an old man that has been there, on the front lines, and don’t suck up to their garbage, so called intellectual elites, which is a joke. I have two nephews that are ‘professors’, and believe me, they never served, and think they know it all, which is NOTHING.

  • Swann2001

    Hate speech, Homophobe, Racist, bring it on liberals, Communists, Socialists, and people who by sheer numbers are trying to take over this Country. Conservatives you can no longer afford the luxury of being intimidated by those who try to label and silence anyone who stands up for this Country. Violent acts where committed by the Socialists in Germany and then blamed on the Jews and Bolsheviks in order to get Adolf Hitler in power. Don’t fall for that type of thing in this Country. Conservative have been members of the silent majority and we have been silent too long. Now that we are speaking up and taking part in our Democracy these people deem it hateful. Let them, don’t be silent any longer or you may wake up very soon and find you are living in a nightmare society that no longer values human life either the unborn or the old and infirm. That is exactly what happened in Nazi Germany and it is in the first stages of happening here. I am not a Tea Partier but if they love this Country and don’t want it destroyed by Socialists, Muslims, Communists and assorted liberals (excuse me the new name for them are Progressives, apparently they were ashamed of the Liberal Lable)then I support them.

  • Delores Smith

    TO: EVERYONE
    Do all of you realize that Bob Livington wrote this article about our nation and has already received 792 Posts? That tells me that we need to get busy coming up with answers as to what Americans should be doing to save our Republic.
    I have three members of my family buried at Arlington National Cemetery. They gave their lives for the Republic that they believe in…and that all of us believe in. We can do a lot with our minds, not with violence, but each one of us needs to think of something. I make calls all day and send e-mails to everybody and his brother. Let’s put our energy to work. Bob, thank you for a great article. It stirred us all up.
    Delores Smith
    Delores109@cox.net

  • http://Verizon.net Bud Grounds

    Delores: I am with you and very active in contacting my representatives in Congress and there have been many e-mails going between the White House and me for over 1 1/2 years. It all started with what was happening with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the 2 people in Congress, a senator and a representative who were key people in creating this mess and as would have are now in charge of revamping our financial systems. What a kick in the you know what this is. I suspect you already know who those 2 are.

    We are at fault as well for spending more than we could afford simply because it was allowed, declare bankruptcy and in a few years start all over again. I am not among those people but know a few who have done this. The people here in Florida voted for a change in their real estate taxation and the State almost immediately went into a hole where we now have a 3.5 billion shortfall in a mere 1 1/2 years. My wife and I both voted against it but it passed anyway. As it turns out, I paid $85 less than the previous year and some wound up paying more because of how the law was written.In the final analysis the State came up very short. The smartest way to return to normalcy is to go back to what they were doing but I guess it is hard to admit a mistake when you are the experts. This Administration and Congress will soon recognize a mistake was made or was this about who was in charge?

    Two thirds of the population know this Heal Care Bill is a bad thing
    and the adminstration is already admitting some adjustments will benecessary in order to fund it. They just passed the bill just days ago and now they say this? I think they know it all along and the screws will begin to turn and it won’t be pretty

  • Lola

    So both parties are corrupt. Lets do something about it! I just joined GOOOH at goooh.com. It stands for “Get out of our house” and is a plan to get regular everyday patriots elected. People chosen from grass roots efforts. I like the idea.

  • Senior Cesar

    Help and prosperity is in the tillage of the democrats, but destructions cometh from the republicans.

    Do you know that Bob Livingston and John myers are due to escape from the rightists and republicans and join the democrats world? They are tired if playing the role of a fool.

    The liberals soul shall be made fat but the body lean and healthy.

    No, the Russian are not winning because of having more petrol. The criterion is not who has more Crude, but who has more Fairness.

    • Jeep

      Cesar, are you an American citizen? Or, are you a democratic operative? It’s either one, or the other…

  • http://Verizon.net Bud Grounds

    Senor Cesar: You do know that Liberals are less than 10 per cent of our population, so dream on. This November, you will see whether your Liberal politicians will win or lose.

    Would you care to tell me how you think they will win when, as the polls indicate, 73 per cent of the people are very upset with Congress for a number of reasons and they presently have a 19 per cent approval rating?

    Nothing wrong with being an optimist but don’t get an ulcer when they are overwhelmed in November.

  • http://www.zeerok.com Louis T

    The republic of Texas will survive. When we joined the Union, it was with a clause written into it to permit us to secede. Texas will be at the fore of this movement as most of Texans having been driving well over the speed limit in order to “freeze a Yankee for years”. We have the resources to do it. We’ll drill off our coasts because it’s the right thing to do, not because some Californio thinks it’s environmentally incorrect. Stay tined.

  • Grover Syck

    The problems you describe,are the result of the republican’ts. The financial mess started with the mass deregulation started by Regan. bush I added to it, and the shrub put it high gear and the markets totally went in the crapper. The ‘loss of freedoms’ are the work of the shrub. The patraiot act is the worse thing that was ever passed by congress.

    The monetary problems, “the spending and the money printing and currency debasement” you talked about are ALL the result of the republican’ts. As for “the hubris of the elected class”, this is again a very good description of the republican’ts.

    Stop whining and get with the program to clean up the mess the republican’ts have made over the past 30+ years.

    • Jeep

      Sooo…”deregulation” leads to a loss of freedom? I’m confused…

  • Merl Elton

    The problem is also due to a glut of left-leaning judges in the states and at all levels of the court systems. These judges rule based on ideas and not common sense. So know who your judges are and how they vote at election. Vote for conservative judges at the state level. Obama will load the courts with liberals you can be sure of that.

  • stephen russell

    We voted it out to Obama & allies.
    Those other “voters” did so NOT US.
    Unless some were ‘conned; by Obama Persona vs policies.
    The darn HC bill says it all:
    4% tax on home sales
    RFID microchip implants in ALL citizens.
    More taxes
    159 new agencies
    Ready Reserve Force?
    & more.

    Good bye to the US Republic since 1776-2017?

  • straight shooter

    All must just pull the R lever in November — only way to get control of Congress. Whether the candidate is pro or against abortion is not important in this election. More freedoms than “choice” are at stake. LETS FIRE PELOSI AND REID!

  • Joe

    Death of the Republic? When the American citizen fights and dies for this country and the warmongers keep their family members from fighting in wars they started, that signals the end of the country of the United States of America. This country was built on the sweat of the common man, not the social elite.

  • Marcus Rhodes

    Patton threatened to come home and clean house, and died soon thereafter, but set the pattern: It won’t be a militia, or the citizens. They will already be stripped of any power by the Dennisos among us. It will be a military leader of high standing and esteem who will figure out the we’ve all been had, bring his troops home, set thing straight, and turn the power back over to the people… Kinda like George Washington.

    • libertytrain

      Marcus – while Patton was killed in a very peculiar car accident outside of Mannheim – I recall reading somewhere a long while ago that his death in this manner was somewhat suspect. Perhaps that’s why he never got to “clean house.”

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