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ISRA Criticizes Chicago Mayor Over Gun Regulations As New Coalition Plans To Close Gun Show Loophole

May 4, 2010 by  

ISRA criticizes Chicago mayor over gun regulations as new coalition plans to close gun show loopholeEarlier this month, when Chicago Mayor Richard Daley recommended that an international court take up his petition to shut down U.S. firearm retailers, Illinois State Rifle Association suggested that he "take a couple of weeks off."

ISRA representatives stated that the city’s soaring crime rate, sinking economy as well as suggestions from some members of the Obama administration that the mayor step aside, have taken their toll on "Daley’s sensibilities."

"What Mayor Daley is suggesting is that we voluntarily nullify the U.S. Constitution and cede our sovereignty to a hostile world body," commented ISRA executive director, Richard Pearson.

"[He] should ponder well the sacrifices made by millions of young American men and women to protect and preserve the freedoms that he is so eager to give away," Pearson added.

Meanwhile, the bi-partisan coalition of Mayors Against Illegal Guns today announced the launch of a new national campaign to close the gun show loophole.

The loophole is a gap in federal law that enables individuals to buy weapons at gun shows without undergoing a background check.

Television advertisements promoting the move will appear on the national cable networks of CNN, MSNBC and Fox News, as well in local markets across Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Ohio and Virginia.ADNFCR-1961-ID-19751857-ADNFCR

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  • American Liberal

    It’s insane that guns could be bought without background checks… They should close that loophole…guns are for people with enough responsibility to own a gun… And to decide who’s responsible background checks are a must…unless we don’t care who gets a gun .. Or what they do when they get one..

    • wordmaster

      Please use your head. Background checks do not keep criminals who want a gun from getting one. Gun laws do not keep criminals from getting guns. All those silly things do is make it more likely that the criminal will
      steal a gun or buy a stolen one instead of going to the store and buying one. In other words these silly laws do nothing but increase crime.

      • s c

        Wordmaster, thanks for phrasing it that way. Some people just don’t get it, and most of them are lalaland progressives. Many Americans prefer to go through life using their emotions (instead of using one’s head). They won’t let themselves understand that reason and common sense are worth their weight in gold. Emotions tend to get people in trouble.
        If we lived in a fantasy world, we could rely on emotions. This is the real world, and as long people refuse to grow up (or THINK), those people eventually create their own problems.
        Criminals have learned that as long as people avoid common sense and reason, criminals will always have the upper hand. Criminals know how to get weapons.
        To me, space cadets who think good intentions and a fantasy philosopy will protect them owe it to the rest of us to put a big sign on their house or apartment that says ‘Let’s be friends. I’m on YOUR side. I REFUSE to own a weapon.’
        I’d definitely ‘honor’ that philosophy, and let them take their chances when someone breaks into their abode and has plans to steal from, assault or otherwise inconvenience that ‘great intellect.’
        One way or the other, these people MUST learn.

      • obiwan

        Wordmaster, you better do some thinking. A criminal with a record will be found out and turned down for a sale with a background check.
        He can steal a weapon or get a stolen one off the street but that requires a bit more effort and danger. For some, that’s a deterent.
        Some is better than none.
        I am a gun owner with a CC permit.
        The real issue here is that some of us don’t trust uncle sam to look out for our best interests and would rather keep some weapons that are unregistered and off the radar to prevent another occurence like New Orleans after Katrina. This can be done through private sales.
        Gun owners need to do more to prevent their weapons from being stolen
        in burgaries.

        • Right Wing

          Obiwan…use the force my friend. Criminals that want guns don’t go window shopping. They hit the pawn shop, have a friend buy, steal one, etc. Background checks only keep the honest people with criminal records from owning a gun. Background checks just create more government employment opportunities that…we all pay for.

          • DaveH

            Right Wing,
            You brought up a very valid point. Where in the Constitution does it say that we have a right to bear arms unless we are a former convict?
            And many felons were convicted of non-violent crimes. So, why should those people be deprived of protecting themselves? The way we treat our former criminals, it is no wonder they are often left with no choice but to continue being criminals. The smartest thing we could do if we want less crime is to expunge their records, after serving their punishments, so they can become decent productive citizens if they so choose (unlike the Liberals).

          • William Nealey

            where in the constitution does it say the rights of the citisens to keep and bear arms so long as they first submit to a background check????

        • DaveH

          I’m with Wordmaster. Government is too busy redistributing the wealth (mostly to themselves) to bother with protecting us from criminals.
          Did they protect the Fort Hood personel from Nidal Malik Hasan? No, mostly the Government made them helpless victims by interfering with their ability to carry weapons to protect themselves.
          Concealed Carry laws themselves violate the Constitution. Where does the Constitution qualify the Second Amendment by declaring that the arms be carried visably? There are several reasons that non-concealed carry of weapons is a mistake. Probably the most important reason being that it gives the potential criminal valuable information, allowing them to plan their attack better.

        • TIME

          My friends know a guy, who can get you anything, and I mean anything.
          All you need is hard cold cash and you will have what you want in a few hours.
          Don’t you think that a real criminal will be taking advantage of such
          type persons?

          My friends in the law have used this guy to track down stolen items, he has proved to be the best every time. I am sure that in every city in every state in the union there are dozens of people just like him.

          So any new law’s on the books is just like over cooked pasta, it’s bloated and sticks together like a chunk of crap, and no one needs or wants it.

      • Richard Cannatella

        To Wordmaster,from your wording you sound like a little old woman.I worked in Florida selling weapons,years back.People would come in with their friends and choose the guns they wanted and have their friends buy them in their mames.Because they had felony’s against them.and couldn’t buy it themselve’s.This is called a straw purchase.If we had no background checks,they would have bought it themselvs.We had to notify ATF and they would be there when the buyers came back to pick up the weapon.WITHOUT background checks ther would be more illegal guns on the streets.So maybe YOU should use your’e head for something other than a hat rack.Know what you’re talking about.hec k with FDLE if you don’t believe..

        • DaveH

          And Richard,
          You sound like a Liberal who in lieu of competent arguments needs to use name-calling and ridicule.
          There are ways around any law. The only reason the situation you mention was a problem was that they were ignorant enough to accompany the friends instead of just picking the weapon earlier and having their friends buy them alone. Determined criminals will find a way to arm themselves, and they obviously don’t care about laws.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            I’d be willing to bet these bleeding heart libbies that,if truth be known, there are more illegal arms on the street than legal!!! The criminals are going to get guns if they want them and they don’t have to be stolen. I do wish they would quit trying to keep EVERYONE from their God given rights!!!

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        wordmaster.. great post.. If criminals want guns, they have their ways. There isn’t any reason to stomp on our constitutional rights!

      • Joe A. Everson

        If the government believes a person safe to be on the street, why shouldn’t they be able to purchase a gun?

      • Claire

        Now there has been an arrest in the SUV bomb scare case. An American Pakistani. Trained in Pakistan and became a legal American. The immigration laws need a dang good housecleaning. I cannot believe America does not close her border to all nationalities. Enough is enough. I really do not believe they can be trusted. Any of them. We are overpopulated with them now. All the Muslims,Islams that are here–plus the rest of them. I simply do not believe they are “all” good people. Out of all of them there is bound to be some troublemakers. They are coming out of the woodwork slowly but surely.

    • Wanda Murline

      Actually, the Constitution says that “anyone” has the right to bear arms. Criminals do not purchase their guns at gun shows. Most Americans who own a firearm never use them for anything but target practice or hunting. The criminals are using them on an everyday basis and they get them on the black market. Make no mistake, we live in a time when crime is on the uphill road, and if you do not have a firearm, you need to arm yourself and learn how to use it…it could save your life and the life of your family. The police cannot stop crime…they investigate after your are dead. I am a 63 year old grandmother, and I have a permit to carry and so does my husband. I never go anywhere without my pistol…it is like taking my wallet with me…you never know when you will need it, especially since we have radical Islamic terrorists in this country wanting to kill us. Make no mistake, if I happen to be in WalMart or the Mall, and there is someone with a gun shooting at other people, I will, without hesitation, shoot that person. I believe that Thomas Jefferson said it best, “Those who pound their guns to plow, will plow for those who do not.” I don’t think I have to explain that. Daley and others need a better understanding of the Constitution, as well as the liberals we used to call representation.

      • William Nealey

        actualy Wanda I have a 357 smith and wesson it is fully loaded at all times with cor-bon 357 magnum 115GR JHP velocity 1350 fps. rounds it was purchased new in 1962 and has never been fired. not once. and I hope I never have to fire it. I dont do target practice. I did enough of that in the service, dont need it,

        • JeffH

          William Nealey, I’ll take a guess that it is either a Highwy Patrol model, 19, 27 or 66? Did I get close

        • independant thinker

          If you have had the S&W for 48 years and never fired it how do you know it is not defective? How do you know if it shoots high, low, to the left, to the right, or dead on?

        • dave

          you still need to practies, even if twice a year.
          if you did have to use, who is to say you will hit what your aming

    • TeresaE

      Those who trade freedom for security, deserve neither.

      Our country was the greatest on earth because of our freedoms and our Constitution.

      Not in spite of them.

    • Right Wing

      It is a mad, mad world Am lib. Hiding your head in the sand only leaves your butt as a target. Maybe you like that? I don’t carry a weapon but I think the government is helping to polarize Constitutional reform-minded people. So keep up the good work…November is around the corner.

    • William Nealey

      my father gave me my first gun and instrutions on how to handle it when I was 12. I am 74 now with over 20 years of military some of which I was a weapons instructor. I haven’t run amock and killed a lot of people here in the states. but there have been a hell of a lot of stupid kids who have. what do you supose their background check would have turned up?

    • Norman

      Do some research You CAN NOT buy a firearm Leagly without a background CHECK! If one individual sells to another HE BY LAW has to do a TRANSFER! LOOK AT THE LAWS you might be surprised how wrong the CONTROL ALL government is.

    • Joe A. Everson

      Doctors kill more people per year than guns.

      First, according to statistics provided by the U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services, there is an interesting correlation between accidental deaths caused by guns and by doctors.

      Doctors: (A) There are 700,000 physicians in the U.S. (B) Accidental deaths caused by physicians total 120,000 per year. (C) Accidental death percentage per physician is 0.171.

      Guns: (A) There are 80 million gun owners in the U.S. (B) There are 1,500 accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups. (C) The percentage of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.0000188.

      Statistically, then, doctors are 9,000 times more dangerous to the public health than gun owners. Fact: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR. Following the logic of liberals, we should all be warned: “Guns don’t kill people. Doctors do.”

      • Joe A. Everson

        The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms.

        The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws.

        • Joe A. Everson

          Why are those who break their oath to uphold the Constitution allowed to stay in office?

          • JeffH

            Because some of those that break the laws also make the laws to protect themselves. Basically, they’ve put themselves above the very laws they break.

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      • Claire

        Joe A–You know, I think I agree with you on this one.

        • Claire

          Concerning doctors–

          • Joe A. Everson

            In Louis L’Amour cowboy books, those planning an attack on the wagon train always attempted to collect all the guns on some pretense prior to the attack to limit their own casualties.

            “God Created Man, Col. Colt Made them Equal”

          • Joe A. Everson

            Man said, “I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy.”

            When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.

          • denniso

            That’s great…now we look to bad L’Amour cowboy novels for public policy. I guess that’s a preview of what the Repubs regaining power would give us. Sappy cowboy philosophy…

    • Phoenix

      I can only speak for Minnesota – There is NO FREAKIN’ LOOP Hole. We were at a gun show at the state fair grounds last month. The only way you can get a gun without a background check is from someone else walking around-just like meeting them on the street. It is just fear mongering so they can tack on and bury several other limitations in the bill.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        If you buy a gun from someone you don’t know, how do you know it hasn’t been used to kill someone?? You take a hell of a chance not buying from a reputable dealer!! You might pay a few bucks more, but you have a good idea it’s clean!!

        • Joe A. Everson

          Experts Agree Gun Control Works!
          Hitler, Castro, Qaddafi, Stalin, Edi Amin, Mao Tsetung, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il

          • Joe A. Everson

            Registration then confication.

    • Mike Austin,TX

      Ask Canada how well the money hole registration is going. It is nothing but a sinkhole for tax dollars and a waste of time. Criminals will get guns if they want them. You don’t punish the masses for the acts of a few.

    • http://google James MEIKLE

      I don’t know anyone currently in political power that I would trust to make any gun judgement

  • J.M.R.

    since our slugs in D.C. won’t defend us or our country who left too do the job US AN ONLY US. YES I OWN A GUN AND WILL KEEP IT TO END…

  • Bruce Dunavin

    The picture the anti gunners want to create is that a gun dealer can sell guns at a gun show to anyone without doing a background check. This is not true. If you buy a gun from a dealer, you will undergo a background check. The issue here is an individual selling a private firearm who has no ability to do a background check on the person who wants to buy his gun, effectively preventing you from selling a firearm to anyone. Just another example of a bureaucrat controlling your life while ignoring the Constitution. There will always be criminals and they will have guns no matter what. They will not give up their guns just because there is a law that says it’s illegal to own them. That only leaves the law abiding citizen with no way to defend himself against corrupt politicians and criminals.

    • Bob W

      Right on Bruce. I think these Liberals should have to prove that a weapon used in a crime came from a sale at a gun show. There is no loop hole if they can’t prove that weapons bought at these gun shows were bought at one of them.

    • J.D.Maples

      Thank you for bringing up what this is actually about. My Private property being sold by ME! Some invest in stocks,some in bonds,other sink it into gold. I like older (shoot-able) investments. They sit there for years. They go to the target range once a year or so. And they always sell for much more than I bought them for. If I ever have to sell them. The last thing I need is some stupid law that says I can not sell what I own at the gun show. (usually to a dealer) The Gun owner’s protection act of 1986 clearly defines who is,(AND IS NOT)a dealer. And protects protects the right to sell your “personal property” lawfully.

    • John W

      I too am wondering where the idea came from that dealers at gun shows don’t do background checks. I purchased at a show last year and was checked. Took awhile, too. This is Oregon.

  • Al Sieber

    People will always get firearms no matter what. but, this is part of the Obama agenda. he’s doing it through the U.N. small arms treaty, pretty sneaky of him. they can’t have my guns, but they can have my bullets one at a time.

  • Raggs

    I’m surprized obama did not side with Daley.
    Well he won’t in a public way but he will with the small arms treaty hiliary is working on.

    • Al Sieber

      Raggs, you got that right. they’re working on it now.

      • rwnut

        There is no doubt about it,GUN CONTROL WORKS! Here is proof! Hitler,Castro,Qaddafi,Stalin,Idi Amin,Mousy-tongue,Pol Piss-pot,Kim Jong-il,Slick Willie Clinton,Yo Mamma O-bama,Chavez,Daley,and never forget that GIANT OF A MAN, Muk Muk Abawabajimijam

        • JeffH

          rwnut, I liked your delivery. I’m still rollin’ in my seat!

          • rwnut

            JeffH…Glad you got a laugh fellow patriot.And don’t forget we’re the ones thier going to try to lock up in America.It’s very close! Don’t forget the women and babies that Clinton and Reno shot and burned at Waco and Ruby Ridge! Don’t ever think that Bo-rack “Crack” Obamama won’t do it too! Stay vigilant! Stay armed! Vote!
            Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud,is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. John Adams,1775.

          • JeffH

            rwnut, I stay informed and legal on all fronts.
            Not a lifetime NRA member, but I do buy my memberships in 2 year increments. Gun Owners of California also.

          • James

            I would remind all that the Founding Fathers knew quite well what might happen if they created a federal government, but it was necessary because of interstate squabbles that ensued. To assure the States that rights would not fall under federal jurisdiction they added the Bill of Rights, in 1791, just two years after the U.S. Constitution was raftified. It starts with “Congress shall make no law respecting…” and the Second Amendment’s “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms,shall not be infringed.” Just as the First Amendment’s “Congress shall make no law” applies exclusively to the federal government, so also does the Second Amendment. The Bill of Rights is restrictive clauses the Founders placed upon the federal government, if the U.S. Congress passes a law that infringes on the right to keep and bear arms, such law violates the Second Amendment.

  • bbstacker

    This garbage of a “loophole” is still a legal option to sell a firearm to another individual. There still is the requirement of that State’s driver’s license to be presented and copied down by the seller. You can call it a loophole, you can call it a pink pony, but it’s a legal way to sell a firearm from one owner to another. If it’s a dealer, they have to possess a FFL or C&R license. By comparison, the NHTSA figures for auto death in 2007 is over 40,000, but you don’t have “loophole” lies about Craigslist, eBay, AutoTrader, or the guy next door selling an auto.

    • JeffH

      bbstacker correct. The truth of the matter is that no one can walk out of a gun show with a newly purchased gun unless they possess a FFL or C&R license(curios & relics/antiques). There is a mandatory background check to pass and a mandatory waiting period before possession ever takes place.
      The anti-gun liars will mis-represent, decieve and lie in order to ban all guns.

      • Al Sieber

        JeffH, inN.W. ARIZ every other mo. they have a gun show. you pay $5.00 and go in to gun show which is at the fairgrounds. all you need is AZ. I.D. or a AZ. DL. one time I wasn’t asked for one. if you buy one from a gun store you fill out a FFL and get your fire arm immediately.

  • Michelle

    It’s just another government scam to take away more of our constitutional rights. While they would claim to close a “loophole” they would actually end up taking away the people’s rights to own guns at all. The criminals would be armed and the people would have no way to protect themselves.

    • DaveH

      As much as they treat us with contempt now, imagine how much worse they will treat us if they can disarm us.

  • Raggs

    I’m sure obama will use this as his next “crisis”.
    A crisis meaning that obama steps in and the guns get tossed out.
    Alinsky said “don’t let a crisis go to waste”.. I’m a firm believer that this is also obamas mind-set.

  • eddie47d

    As long as guns filter down to the misfits of the world there will be a need for gun laws (for and against).Even the 2nd Admendment is a gun law. This nation is awash in weapons so criminals have a “candy store” to choose from. One side wants to water down the 2nd Admendment and the other side says anything goes. Neither side is very responsible to me.

    • DaveH

      All the gun controls in the world aren’t going to stop evil people from acquiring weapons. Witness Mexico where the private ownership of firearms is severely restricted. The Liberals blame the US for supplying the drug dealers but read this article for some Reason in that argument:

      • Geronimo

        In the Sierras of Mexico thay have a saying…If a man doesn’t have a pistol it’s for one reason. He has two.

  • MPBP

    The article as written is incorrect; there is NO gap in federal law. Any dealer, selling at any gun show in America is required to perform an FBI background check, the same as if the sale took place in his or her store or business. Federal law does not stop at the door. What the liberal gun-grabbers want to do is to stop the LAWFUL sale/exchange between private citizens which does not and NEVER has required any background check. In most cases, their so-called “closing the gun show loophole” rhetoric includes further restrictions on exchanges between friends and even family members; their dream is to have EVERY private exchange subject to a government check/approval. In their world, if a father wants to bequeath his favorite shotgun to his son in his will, the son would have to undergo a background check. The instant background check regulations were NOT intended to track private transactions, only those through licensed dealers. Period.

    PS: Anyone care to guess which Washington politician originally coined the phrase “close the gun show loophole”?
    ANSWER: JOHN McCAIN. He gave the liberals the best slogan in recent history.

    • DaveH

      I disagree (slightly). Their Dream is to disarm us, period. Everything else they do is just another step in that direction.

  • http://gmail i41

    Eddie, look at the crime rate in any country that has severe gun laws, or if they are passed. Canada, Australia, and England passed gun laws and crime had a run away. I think it is Swiss, that every house has a automatic rifle and ammo. Of course it is the democrat and Chicogo way, take everyone’s gun and regulate who owns them, except criminals, and when the fan is running full blast it will be too late. The muslim Omoron knows he doesn’t want his finger prints or recording of being anti-gun. Of course it was never exposed or brought up by media mutts, if he packed a gun when he wasd dealing and using drugs. We have more deaths due to not carring, than we do carring a gun. Ft. Hood is a good example, if the muslim had went down hard , think of the money we would of saved and waste of court room time, and jail space. Still wonder why the nut job McVeigh was tried and disposed of soo quickly, when we have killer that wait decades to croak, Simce the French give crimminal a trail and dispose of convict in a couple or the same day, Since dems and the muslims like the EU so much, lets adopt it. Of course the socialist dems would lose so many illegal voters!

  • Mike N.

    You still have to undergo an instatnt background check to buy a gun at a gunshow. When will the media start telling the whole story, instead of the sound bites that are designed to mislead.

    • Mike N.

      Drugs are outlawed and you can get them anytime you want them. what makes anyone think outlawing guns will be any different.

    • JeffH

      Illinois: Chicago Mayor Daley calls for more state gun control.
      Daley backed changes to state law that would require background checks for those buying a gun in a private sale, ban popular semi-autos, require that gun dealers be licensed and ration the number of handgun purchases to one per person per month. Those were all ideas that failed in previous legislative sessions.

      • DaveH

        Not mentioned in Liberty’s article was the fact that Chicago is also trying to get the National Guard to patrol their streets. They want to subvert our nation’s laws and subvert our sovereignty when in fact they created their own problems with all their corruption and Liberal politics (I guess that’s redundant).

        • JeffH

          …and yet they are less concerned about the crime wave that the illegal criminal invasion of our borders bring to Arizona and all of the border states. Seems that I recall a plea for the National Guards assistance for Arizona fell on deaf ears in the Wjite House.

          Speaks volumes, doesn’t it?

        • WarriorH

          It’s been proposed by some (black) State Rep that maybe the national guard could lend a hand in patrolling in high crime neighborhoods, but I’m suspicious that some right wing nutjob may interpret that as racial profiling.

          • JLC

            WarriorH, you’re pretty well on target with that, except for one word. What you describe sounds more, to me. like a LEFT wing reaction than it does a RIGHT wing. I hope that that is a typo! Or that I misunderstood.

  • JeffH

    Beware, these directed attacks by Daly and Bloomberg will affect all of us, gun owners and non-gun owners. Each time a small piece of everyones freedom is dismantled, it opens the door to more pieces of your freedom to be removed untill all freedoms have been crumbled. Gun sales and ownership is just one a part of all freedoms. It affects everybody!

    Daly is just a part of Michael Bloomberg’s and MAIG’s Deceptive “Gun Show Loophole” campaign with HR 2324. Moreover, Daly, Bloomberg and MAIG aren’t telling the whole story about the bills they support to “close the gun show loophole”—H.R. 2324 (Rep. Michael Castle, R-Del.) and S. 843 (Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J.). Both bills contain provisions that would drive gun shows out of business:

    H.R. 2324 would impose a “vendor” requirement with which no one could comply. Both bills define “vendor” to include any gun show customer who brings a firearm to a show—even to sell it to a dealer—or who doesn’t bring a firearm, but who mentions to someone at a show that he might be interested in selling a firearm. H.R. 2324 would require show operators to notify the Attorney General, in writing, no later than 30 days in advance of the show, of the name of every “vendor.” Of course, there is no way that a show promoter can know 30 days (or 30 seconds) in advance who is going to attend a show, who might bring a firearm to sell, or who might talk with someone about selling a firearm.
    Both bills seek to register gun owners. Because of how the bills define “vendor,” a gun show promoter would be forced to have everyone who attends a show sign the ledger. And the bills require that the “vendor” ledgers be available to BATFE inspectors. Many privacy-conscious Americans would refuse to sign a ledger just to walk around a show, and that would reduce gun show attendance.
    Both bills would require registration of gun shows. S. 843 would additionally allow the Attorney General to charge an unspecified fee for registering a gun show. The power to set prohibitively expensive fees is the power to destroy, of course.
    Both bills would authorize the BATFE to conduct warrantless inspections of the required “vendor” (customer) ledger and all records of licensed firearm dealers while dealers are at shows to conduct business. Normally, recordkeeping compliance inspections are conducted at prearranged times, when convenient. The warrantless inspection requirement would allow interruptions of dealers while they’re in the middle of conducting business, which would discourage them from participating in shows

    points to consider include:

    Gun shows account for a very small percentage of criminals’ guns. The largest study of the subject ever conducted by the federal government found that only 0.7 percent of prison inmates who had used guns, had obtained their guns from gun shows. Another federal study found only 1.7 percent of federal prison inmates obtained their guns from gun shows.4 A earlier study found less than two percent of criminals’ guns came from gun shows. An FBI study of criminals who attacked law enforcement officers found “None of the [criminals’] rifles, shotguns, or handguns … were obtained from gun shows or related activities.” Ninety-seven percent of guns in the study were obtained illegally.
    Under federal law, it is illegal to “engage in the business” of “dealing in firearms” (buying and selling firearms as a regular business with the objective of profit) without a federal license. Violations carry a five year prison sentence and a $250,000 fine.

    Firearm sales have been increasing and the nation’s murder rate is at a 45-year low

  • Michael H.

    One thing articles like this always forget to say is that ALL gun dealers at gun shows MUST file the same papers there as they do at their shops. Individuals can sell guns without the papers but the dealers who are at tables cannot. On the other hand, individuals can sell guns without papers any time they wish, whether at a gun show or somewhere else. Further, if anyone at a gun show offered me money to buy a gun there for them, I would make a beeline to the nearest security person, usually an off-duty police officer, and point them out. But that seldom if ever happens. Finally, the government – meaning the gun control people – are not supposed to use the papers from the shops to make a list of who owns guns and who doesn’t. Yet that seems to be their total focus – which is against the law.

  • JC

    Government has no business in Gun Control, None.
    Here’s 56 Million Reasons why…

    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.


    In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.


    Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated


    China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.


    Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.


    Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.


    Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million ‘educated’ people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.


    Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.


    It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:

    Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent

    Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent

    Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

    In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

    It will never happen here? I bet the Aussies said that too!

    While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

    There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

    You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

    Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

    Take note my fellow Americans, before it’s too late!

    The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind him of this history lesson.

    With Guns………..We Are “Citizens”.
    Without Them………We Are “Subjects”.

    During W.W.II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

    Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor had attended Harvard U 1919-1921 & was Naval Attaché to the U. S. 1925-28. Most of our Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor & our Army had been deprived of funding & was ill prepared to defend the country.

    It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U. S. Mainland, his reply was that he had lived in the U. S. & knew that almost all households had guns.

    If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control message to all your friends!

  • http://Currahee William Wruble

    There are a lot of good points being put out here. The organization “Jews for the Preservation of firearms ownership” (JPFO.ORG)has made a detailed study of how before government’s could commit mass murder against their citizens they first disarmed them via gun cintrol laws. They also maintain that the U.S. 1968 gun control law is almost an exact copy of a NAZI gun control law. Another point that they make is that all of the earlier gun control laws in the United States were meant to keep Negros defenseless so that theycould be forced to do the will of others.

    If we could pay off the U.S. government like the communist Chinese we would not have to worry about laws. Remember what happened on 3-18-96 when U.S. law enforcement made the largest seizure of fully automatic weapons in history. They were smuggled into Oakland, CA aboard the COSCO (China Ocean Shipping Company) ship, the Empress Phoenix. COSCO is the merchant marine of the Chinese PLA and these weapons were to be sold to crimminals. The Chinese representatives also offered for future sales Chinese “Red Parakeet” shoulder fired surface to air missles, heavy machine guns, grenades and land mines, excetera. How would you like to buy a 60MM morter @ $1,300 ea, ammo, $30 ea. Or maybe you prefer a type 82 hand grenade @ $12 ea, or a RPG-7 @ $800 with the ammo costing $30 ea. The list goes on. The list goes on and none of it was to be sold at gun shows, gun shops or to law abiding American citizens. These are 1996 prices and would have to be adjusted for inflation to get an idea what they would go for today. You gotta love the waves of hipocrissy emanating from Disneyland on the Potomac.

    From what I have heard Vermont does not require permission from any goverment agency in order to buy a weapon and you do not hear about problems. Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law several years ago requiring the citizens to arm themselves because of rampant crime. the only thing to happen was crime went down. Let us also not forget the “Battle of Athens, Tennessee” which occurred in 1946 when returning vets who fought foreign tyranny took up arms against their local government after years of petitioning state and federal authorities for help against a corrupt government to no avail.When it is all said and done private firearms ownership is the last line of defense for the law abiding and decent from human beasts and predators.

    • JeffH

      Caution: This summary is meant for general purposes only. Firearm laws frequently change.

      No permit is required to purchase a rifle, shotgun, or handgun. Dealers are required to keep a record of all handgun sales, and used handgun purchases. This record must include
      •The date of the transaction.
      •The marks of identification of the handgun, including manufacturer’s name, caliber, model and serial number.
      •The purchaser’s or seller’s name, address, birthplace, occupation, age, height, weight, and color of eyes and hair.

      The purchaser or seller shall sign his name to the record and the dealer must keep such records in a book for six years after the date of the last entry and shall permit law enforcement officers to inspect the book at all reasonable times.

      The possession, ownership, transfer, carrying, or registration or licensing of firearms or ammunition has been pre-emptied by state law.

      •Record of sale: Yes

      • JeffH

        This is for Vermont only.

  • Santo

    If anyone noticed.Before,during and after Obi’s election.Ammunition and gun sales went up over 35 percent.Guess why.Did they know this was coming?

  • DaveH

    There are 3 main reasons that Government passes anti-gun laws which in effect do not stop the criminals:
    1) By making it harder to buy a gun, they successfully prevent many citizens from lawfully purchasing a weapon.
    2) It provides the citizens the illusion that Government is protecting them.
    3) They are getting the people more accustomed to accepting un-Constitutional infringements on their rights to bear arms.

    Their real goal is disarmament, but they know they can’t do it all at once. They must take baby-steps to reach their goal.

  • Jim

    I can’t believe this guy. If he likes the way other countries do things then he should move there. He is NOT a true American.

  • Claire

    Frankly, there should be a background check on everyone that wants to purchase a gun. Perhaps it will weed out a few of the crazies. And yes, I know a criminal can get a gun from anywhere and anyone, so maybe it is a useless cause. We all know that if guns are confiscated people will get them anyway. So basically the issue is pointless.

  • Grover Syck


    Beyond that all guns are fair game.

    • JLC

      Sorry Grover! The Second Amendment, along with rest of the Bill of Rights, was adopted in 1789. The National Guard, as we know it today dates back only to 1916. Prior to that, state and local militias existed as far back as the founding of their respective colonies — before the Revolutionary War. A 127 time lapse hardly makes the Second Amendment and The National Gusrd contemporaries.

      • JLC

        Typos — 2 of ‘em! That should read ..”127 Year time lapse”… and ..”National Guard.”

      • Ted Crawford

        One of the parts of this that concerns me the most is the idea that ANY foreign entity would be involved in a discussion of domestic policy! I demand that all foreign input be completely ignored!! I reject the idea of ANY foreign entitys involvement in the implantation or enforcement of ANY domestic policy. For our officials to even consider this is treason!!!!!!!

        • NRA Life Member

          Ted, That is an aspect that everyone on this site, including my self, but excluding you, has completely overlooked. It is insufferable to to even think of allowing a foreign tribunal of any sort to interfere in the domestic affairs of OUR country. Thank you for bringing this up.

    • rwnut

      Grover Syck….I ain’t buying your left wing liberal b— s—! The lawfully armed citizenry of America is the Militia. You turn yours in if you want, but you ain’t getting mine!

    • NRA Life Member

      Grover Syck: Item 1: You have misquoted the Second Amendment. It reads “A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

      Item 2: My copy of Webster’s New Twentieth Century Unabridged Dictionary defines “Militia” thus: “In the United States, all able-bodied male citizens between 18 and 45 years of age who are not already members of the regular armed forces, the National Guard, Organized Reserve Corps (Army and Air) and the Naval and Marine Reserves constitute the Organized Militia. All others constitute the Unorganized Militia.”

  • ABinGA

    i41-Been voting for years as I completed my sentence but I tend to agree with what you stated. Even though I’m not moving North and certainly not voting for a Democrat. Not voting for many incumbents either.

  • ABinGA

    No union job either.

  • JUST SAY NO to bigger government

    Didn’t have time to read all the posts here, but for all the ignorant liberal socialists like the Un_American Liberal, and Grover Syck, and maybe a few others who believe our current government isn’t after any “citizens guns” here’s a list of bills for you imbeciles to ponder over.

    The Disarming American Citizens Act — H.R. 2159 the so-called “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009″ — allowing anti-gun Attorney General Eric Holder to revoke the Second Amendment rights of ANY American he chooses based on pure “suspicion;”

    A new so-called “Assault Weapons” Ban, targeting ALL semi-automatic rifles and shotguns — which, unlike the Clinton ban, will NEVER expire;

    H.R. 45, the “Catch-All” Obama Gun Control Bill, which would create a national gun registry, require a two-day waiting period, hike taxes on gun sales, federally ban ALL private firearms sales and FORCE you to take a written exam just to prove you’re “fit” to own a firearm;

    The U.N.’s “Small Arms Treaty,” which would confiscate and destroy ALL “unauthorized” civilian firearms and set the stage for INTERNATIONAL gun confiscation. Recently, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said, “The United States is committed to actively pursuing a strong and robust [small-arms] treaty.

  • ABinGA


  • JLC

    NRA Life Member — That makes two of us. And I suspect that there at least two — maybe more — others in this forum. I might add to your excellent post that an eighteenth century definition of “regulated” was “trained and equipped.”

  • mesoo777

    We need to show them how we feel on ELECTION DAYS. Most of Congress,House of REPs, And THE so called Supreme Court( who think they make the laws….NOT) need to be handed PINK SLIPS. The Supreme Court justices can be FIRED if they DO OR SAY something STUPID. IT has happened in the past and probably not too many people know that they CAN be FIRED. I always thought that they were above being fired but they are not. Go to wallbuilders and look it up in the CONSTITUTION.

  • Joan

    The Second Ammendment doesn’t say a darn thing about ‘background’ checks!!! Go with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, not against it.

    • NRA Life Member

      I don’t normally participate in these round-table discussions, as I have a business to run that takes up most of my time. But I couldn’t, in good conscience, let this go by unchallenged. Have a nice day

  • Raggs

    I’m a lfe time member of the NRA…

    If more people would get involved we can make a difference!

  • Jeff Snarl

    All law is enforced at the point of a gun. Otherwise, judical orders, police orders, speed limits, etc. etc. would be ignored my many more citizens than the few that drive at 95 on the interstates now. We are a nation of petty law breakers with a few serious criminals. The legal class of workers, police, regulators, lawyers, judges, and politicians are trying to advance their status to first class with reserved privledges. One way to do that is by control over employment,health, finances, shelter, food, fuel, and firearms. The essentials to life if firearms equate to security. The need for a firearm for self protection is more necessary in large cities where all the oppurtunity and wealth is reported to be concentrated. Strange that a largely rural crowd is trying to protect the rights of the urban set where most of the anti-gun sentiment lies. The legal class mentioned at the start has a hard time operating in rural areas. They function best for them and worse for us in the cities.

  • http://none Bryan

    I just hope that the spirit of our forefathers’ sacrifices will not wither by the continuous onslaught of the left.I’m moving to Alaska shortly & will be grinning like a Cheshire cat about my peace & quiet,freezer full of fish & meat,and off-grid lifestyle.Be vigilant or be cowered;there’s no other choice,IMHO!

    • JeffH

      Bryan, now you’ve made me jealous. Nothing like a nice silver salmon steak and a glass of Alaska Pale Golden Ale or a hearty moose stew with a bottle of Alaska Stout.

    • denniso

      By the rational of most of the posts here, we should allow anyone to own any kind of weapon at all…right? Since the constitution doesn’t forbid the individual ownership of nuclear weapons or poison gas or rocket launchers then we should be free to have those…right? Afterall we can’t give in to the onslaught of our ‘rights’ by the left…right?
      If we agree that,much like w/ an automobile,that we will have any constraints and laws at all on gun ownership, then we have to debate what is fair and reasonable and constitutional. The founders could never have imagined what sort of weapons we would develop 200 yrs after they wrote the constitution…we should be able to agree that reasonable restrictions on guns and other weapons are a necessity in the modern world. If not, then we fight on…

      • JeffH

        Apparently whay our forefathers did imagine was that lunatic liberals like yourself would try to “force” their will onto the masses. Don’t tell me how to run my life and I won’t tell you how to run yours…pretty simplistic isn’t it?

  • chuck b


    we do have restrictions on guns. its against the law to use a firearm in a robbery, its unlawful to shoot other people unless its self defense. so what more do you want? why don’t you liberals just obey and enforce the law and everybody will be happy.

  • John Pickett

    Read more about our Forefathers i think they did know what was going to happen. Call it Divine Providence. Read about Patrick Henry he was possibly one of the last prophets of our country. Our country was founded by men of honor. Now we have idiot’s in charge to say whether or not our rights are theirs to change at any whim they choose. They are the one’s who let the illegal guns get out on the market in their fine plan. Then they call me a conspiracy theorist! The only conspiracy is their dumb plan. now i said that without firing a shot! Gun Owners of America, God bless you!!!!!!!!!

  • Stogie

    I can say that if you’re a criminal and really want a gun, I doubt you’re going to be dumb enough to go out into public like a gun show and buy the gun. You’re probably just going to steal it from someone or find another way. Just because there is no background check doesn’t mean you don’t register it. But the legal citizen has to go through hoops just to get a weapon that could save his life or put food on his table in an emergency? I will always be a responsible gun owner whether they are banned or not… get my drift. I’m sure the majority of gun owners feel the same.

  • 14Freedomfighter88

    Hey Ritchie, I agree with those who suggest you take some weeks off. With a small extension: take off FOREVER.

  • Miguelina Lewandowski

    I believe in the Second Amendment The right to bear arms,but it should be legally to obtain an arm.

    Thank you,
    A citizen of IL.

  • Garrett

    All firearms dealers are required to do a background check on any firearms they sell at the gun show, the same as if they sold the firearm out of their ship. The same ATF rules apply. Private owners are not required to do a background check, but there are still restrictions on them. They can not sell a handgun to a non resident of the state they are in. I attend most gun shows and from personal experience find that licensed dealers make up over half of the gun sales. Dealers in other merchandise make up 30-40% of the show, while non licensed private sellers make up about 10-20%. Gun shows are not the problem. Criminals and liberals are the real problem.

  • Bryan

    There isn’t any vague interpretation of the Second Amendment as far as I’m concerned.

    I signed my name on the dotted line to “preserve,protect & defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies both foreign & domestic,so help me GOD”!

    Those who feel otherwise need to ask themselves:When the you know what hits the fan,who ya gonna call:Hillary &Bill,Obama,Schumer &Feinstein,Bloomberg&Daley,etc?

    As Charlton Heston said:”From my cold dead fingers!”

  • TeresaE

    Why are so many Americans, so woefully ignorant of the greatness that is our country and Constitution?

    Including, it seems, most of our elected officials.

    We are headed for anarchy and chaos. You will know when it is close when the door knocks start and out and out confiscation of our guns begins.

    For goodness sakes fellow citizens, turn off your freaking Iphones and wake the heck up before it is too late, if it isn’t already.

    Feel good in the knowledge that the oppressive government and
    the criminals, will still have their guns. What a Utopian world that will be! end sarcasm

  • Vivia

    There is no such thing as a gunshow loophole. If a dealer sells
    a gun, he has to have the paperwork that shows to whom he sold it.
    That is federal law. Only an individual is allowed to sell their
    gun without a background check.. and that is because they have no
    access to the firearms database.
    I have purchased handguns from gun shows and I get the usual paperwork
    and phone database check.
    The gunshow loophole is a myth.

  • Stephen Russell

    Now also watch the city lose revenue from the closed gun show event.
    Gun shows=$$$$$ NOT just guns, but hotels, dining, daytrips etc.
    How dumb is Mayor Daley.
    No Guns Chicago I guess.
    Best move to Tombstone AZ & see Sales rise

  • Al Sieber

    Garrett, thats the way Ariz. does it. sometimes they don’t even ask for I.D..

  • William Nealey


  • Don Ror

    Daley, Bloomberg and that ilk are nothing but American version of the Nazi called Adolf Hitler. All of the bottom-feeding politicians from Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, and Stalin to the Bloombergs want to render each and every honest, law-abiding American citizen helpless when the Nazi Brown Shirts come for them. Do not forget that Hitler was a SOCIALIST just like Daley, Bloomberg and that ilk. If law-abiding citizens are deprived of their weapons, the Blacks and Browns of the Daley and Bloomberg parties will take over, stealing, raping and robbing, and murdering. There is only one thing that prevents the Blacks and Brown Shirts from entering the neighborhoods of honest Americans and that is the knowledge they will be met by deadly pistol and rifle fire!

  • Al Sieber

    Viva, not in Ariz., you just need a AZ.DL. sometimes.

  • JeffH

    Vivia, private sales must be transacted through an FFL license holder and that does include a background check, otherwise the transaction would be in violation of the law. The FFL license holder must also have possession of the gun and cannot deliver it until the background check is completed and the waiting period has been completed.

  • JLC

    Vivia, if anyone doubts you, that “paperwork” is a Form 4473. I filled out more than just a few of them, back in the days that I had a FFL.

  • Gary

    There is “no” loop hole, all weapons sold at gun shows are background checked. I guess these fools and liars are the same people who support Obama. They get some wrong opinion firmly lodged in their small intellect, and that’s it.

  • bbstacker

    Global Poverty Act, Millenium Development Goals…brought to you by the thugs at the UN, and our merry band of socialist/communist tyrannists.

  • Joseph A Stone

    I fail to see the difficulty in understanding our for-fathers. It’s like the bible, either you believe they’re words are authenicated and live by them or you do what the progressives have done and render them meaningless. Remember you can’t serve two masters.. Love god and country, embrace truth everything else is a lie..

  • Raggs

    Thats a good one…

    The government thinks and has even said >>> Bill Clinton <<< that the government give us our rights.. They haven't read the declaration of independance nor do they care. And they could care less about the constitution.

  • American Citizen

    I see nothing wrong with background checks at the gun shows. It keep the criminals away from them which is a good. Also, what is wrong with an individual who owns a gun reporting to the authorities that he/she has sold it. That way, if it’s ever stolen from whoever owns it, the original owner will not be hassled. They don’t have to say to whom they sold them, just that they no longer own them. Mayor Daley, as well as some antis, need to get their facts straight.

  • American Citizen

    Actually it’s the government that takes away our rights. Clinton was/is an _ss. Literally.

  • DaveH

    I don’t know about the “anarchy” part Teresa. That word has long been used as a manipulative weapon against those who prefer less Government.
    In truth, I believe that too much Government leads to chaos as too many laws are created that will only be enforced against those who piss off an empowered Government official. Too much Government is the pathway to Tyranny.

  • Raggs

    My point exactly…

    The government is sworn to uphold our rights… But as we know none of them every do….
    All these bums want to do is take them away…

  • DaveH

    Mexico has very restrictive gun laws. Does that keep their criminals from acquiring guns?
    Another point I want to make is that you can get in all kinds of trouble if you sell a gun to somebody who subsequently uses it in a crime and it is traced back to you, especially if you don’t have records of who you sold the gun to.

  • EdOnMyWayUp

    I am with Wordmaster. Mayor Daly should leave and go to Mexico, where no one is allowed to own a gun. They are completely at the mercy of criminals and dependent on the government for protection. You can see there what happens when the government becomes corrupt. Another thing to notice is why in all the campaigning that they are going to do against guns, that they are not going to spend any money in Texas.
    Experience shows that the criminal element will find the way to commit their devious deeds regardless of wether there are any laws to regulate guns or not. The problem is not wether there are guns or not, but wether there is an effective enforcement of the existing laws or not. Another thing is wether Mayor Daly is in touch with American society anymore or not. I think that he is not qualified to be a mayor anymore. He is more fit to live in Europe than here. I don’t understand why Chicagoans do not take measures to limit this man’s rule. He has committed a cardinal sin against the Constitution of The United States by dragging it on the mud of world disorder, absolutism, and despotism. Internationalism is just another word for let’s take The USA for all that we can. Communist Latin American countries have been doing this for a long time.
    Back to the subject. If one compares the violence in contrast with the size of the countries where gun control exist, it is easy to see that in relation to the US, the amount of crime that exists in the US does not compare when the crime committed per capita are calculated. The amount of crime per capita in the US as compared with other countries where gun controls exist seems to be less. This is the only just way to compare crime rates as they relate to gun use in the US.

  • L.S.

    Registering a weapon of ANY type or aquiring a license of ANY type does not prevent a crime of ANY type from being comitted. The only purpose for a license or a registration is to facilitate law enforcement in tracking down the licensee or registrant if they should happen to commit a crime with a weapon. The criminal will commit the crime iregardlessly of the law. The law abider will have respect of the rule of law and abide. The criminal never abides, or respects the law. The lawful citizen will train, be a student of the law and and have a clear understanding of all that encompasses. The law breaker doesnt even consider this. If you are not willing to train, and educate yourself, you do so at your own peril.

  • bob russell

    You’ll never persuade Hillary to read it.
    She already knows what’s good for all of us.

  • William Nealey

    Stogie you are so right. but there are so many people out there who follow the brady gun control IDIOTS and the democrats talking points against guns,any one with enough sense to come in out of the rain knows damned well the criminals could care less about any law. if you people will check it out you will find that the infamouse sullivan lay in new york was enacted for the express purpose of denieng the hones people protection from the crooks because so many crooks were being kille in their acts of atempting to rob honest working people. no its not worded that way. but thats what it was for,

  • Tom

    I spent some time on the streets and I can tell you that thinking you are going to do much of anything this way is about as ignorant as you can get. Criminals do not get their guns legally – PERIOD. Do you really think they are that stupid (ok, some are but the vast majority are not)?? Almost invariably they are stolen and it would take some serious proof and beyond just some concocted numbers to convince me otherwise.

    It is not at all unlike a typical lock on a home’s front door. You think that keeps criminals out? Not hardly and it is extremely foolish to think they will. They only keep the honest people out. The criminal kicks the door in or breaks a window or picks the lock or any number of other things to get around the lunacy we call security.

    Government and police are pretty much limited to cleaning up the mess. If you want real security learn how to defend yourself.

    Oh and in case you didn’t notice, criminals couldn’t care less about our idiotic rules. That is why they are criminals.

  • JeffH

    bob russell, understood! Much said with so few words.

  • Evan

    Short and to the point:
    An armed society is a polite society. Maybe because they are much more confident, relaxed and worry-free.

  • Freedom Fighter

    The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. That means rules added by Socialists who want to take over and take the guns, these same rules are null and void, of no effect.

  • Michael H.

    Ernest Hemmingway was a mercenary most of his life – something most people don’t realize. He wrote his books between battles.

    He was once asked by a reporter why he would risk his life fighting these wars.

    His answer:

    “There are many things in this world worse than dying while fighting for freedom. And if you don’t fight for freedom you will learn what every one of those things are.”

    Good answer and still valid today.

  • Michael H.

    My son attended a class on political science while in college. One day the question of gun control came up. One girl insisted that we needed a law making it illegal to own a gun. All guns should be turned in. Someone commented that the criminals wouldn’t turn their guns in. She insisted they would – because it would be against the law to own them. Even the professor, who was a liberal Democrat, pointed out that criminals didn’t obey laws. She continued to argue that they would that law. The only laws a criminal would break are laws they were forced – by others – to break.

    And we let people like this vote and have kids!

  • Evan

    Regarding law-abiding citizens respecting current (or future) laws banning or restricting guns and gun use: These laws are effectively unconstitutional. Does the fact that some official, bureaucrat, or senseless legislative group put these idiotic laws on the books, or a judge without any real constitutional understanding, make them legal? If they are unconstitutional in the first place, they are by definition illegal laws, and moot to begin with! The constitution , by the second amendment, is very clear that citizens are given the right to keep and bear arms.

    To quote Wayne LaPierre, “You have a right to own a gun for defense of family and home. You have a right to own a gun for hunting, shooting or collecting. You have the right to own a gun to break the chains of tyranny.” Although self defense is the primary right and responsibility of all humans, the right to own guns to break the chains of tyranny a primary sub-right of self defense.

    The framers of the Constitution, and especially those who penned the Bill of Rights, were very clear that citizens of the United States are afforded inalienable rights. States are not afforded rights. James Madison, who crafted the Second Amendment was very astute in his understanding of the background reasoning for the right to have and carry arms. He was very forthcoming in his denunciation of tyrants for being “afraid to trust the people with arms” Without the Second Amendment, all other rights are null and void. And then where would we be? In the toilet!

    I suggest everyone obtain a copy of LaPierre’s “The Essential Second Amendment Guide”. He delineates clearly and succinctly the reasons for the Second Amendment and cites extensive sources and backkground information, with additional suggested readings to clarify his points. It is essential reading for every citizen, as well as other students of the truth in history.

  • Dean

    This end result as well as the true intention is a complete list of all the legal firearms for confiscation purposes. If you believe a government that feels laws only apply to the citizenry and not to itself. then good luck!

  • Jim H.

    Daley should practice what he preaches by taking the guns away from his body guards. That may be putting the life of the guard in danger, but if he believes an unarmed victim stops crime he should live up to HIS principles. In fairness to the guards maybe he should just go unarmed and unescorted, like the rest of the citizens in his fair city. Da Mayor hasn’t figured out that GUN CONTROL is the ability to hit the target.

  • JLC

    Hi, Bryan — Which branch of Service? Mine was Infantry, 1944 to 1948

  • JeffH

    Known as the action-reaction law. Every Action has an Equal and Opposite Reaction.

  • JeffH

    …meant for Santo…

  • JLC

    JeffH — An inscapable law of Physics!

  • http://?? Joe H.

    I just bought a 9MM Friday at a licenced dealer and there was no waiting period. he just called in the background check and 30 minutes later I walked out with my gun.

  • JLC

    Typo — That was intended to be “inescapable.”

  • Claire

    Joe H — My husband has never had any problems either.

  • JeffH

    Joe H., that is correct.

    Twelve states and the District of Columbia currently have waiting periods that apply to the purchase of some or all firearms.

    Summary of Federal Law
    There is no federal waiting period. Under the National Instant Criminal Background
    Check System (NICS), a dealer may transfer a firearm to a prospective purchaser as soon
    as he or she passes a background check.1 If the FBI is unable to complete a background
    check within three business days, the dealer may complete the transfer by default.2
    Federal law does not require private sellers to perform background checks on gun
    purchasers. Accordingly, persons purchasing firearms from private sellers may take
    immediate possession of their weapons, unless state or local law provides otherwise.

  • JeffH

    Joe H., what model. I picked up a very nice used Sig P226 9mm on GunBroker for $425 recently. California laws require me to wait 10 days for both handguns and longguns. I long for the good old days.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    I picked up a sccy industries Model CPX1. A friend told me about them. I had never heard of them till I went out shooting with him. Decent accuracy. He’s fired well over 5000 rounds through it and not a single problem. Brand new, it was 350.00 out the door with two mags. I couldn’t pass it up. Made in Datona Beach Fla. Good warranty, too. they only make two models of guns mine and one with two tone look with stainless trim.

  • Jim

    I agree with you Claire. Our country has let FAR too many people come here. We are the only country that lets anyone in. This needs to be stopped NOW! They could close the borders if they wanted to. Because of the trading being done with Mexico they won’t do it. Also, Washington’s goal is to drive down wages and make us into Europe.

    I support Arizona’s new law. Now we need the rest of states to follow.

  • http://gmail i41

    AB, learn another language, find the renamed ACORN or some democrat, you will get voting rights in time for Nov. elections. Democrats like new voters and will go to great lengths to grow the party, and don’t see a problem with ilegals voting in the USA. If you can go to New York or Californa or Michigan, or join a union.

  • tracycolorado

    Its ok for background checks , but not ok for illegials to carry identification ? We should have background checks for firecrackers , propane bottles , fertalizer , underware , gasoline , diesel , breast inplants , useing a computer , buying a vehicle , getting on an airplane , and whatever else , they want to do !

  • Claire

    Mayor Daley??? I wish he would leave the country. Heck, I’d help him pack!

  • Claire

    Jim–Yes, I support Arizona too. The rest of the states should follow with the same game plan. And ENFORCE this new law!

  • ABinGA

    DaveH-8:22AM I agree. I am one who was convicted of a felony 31 years ago. Non violent at the age of 17. Served my probation and have had a clean record since. We are able in GA to apply for restoration of the right to bear arms. Have apllied twice over the years on my own to no avail. I gonna have to get a lawyer as much as I hate to. The right to vote is automatically restored after completion of sentence.

  • rwnut

    Claire and Jim…You are not alone.America is waking up to this regime! “We the people”, are kicking them out of office left and right.They fear nothing more than losing thier power.You must vote!

  • ABinGA

    i41 re-read your post above. Didn’t really know how to take it.

  • Russ

    I love my country but fear my government

  • JUST SAY NO to bigger government

    Yep, unfortunately even ignorant people get to vote here. Was this girl in your sons class named Chelsea and bear a resemblance to slick willy Clintoon, and wife Hildagard?

  • DaveH

    I wish you luck in your efforts.

  • Ted Crawford

    acorns new acronym is AHCA Affordable Housing Corporation of America

  • http://none Bryan

    United States Navy=Vietnam


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