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Is The Tea Party Movement Being Weakened By Internal Strife?

February 1, 2010 by  

Is the Tea Party movement being weakened by internal strife? As Tea Party activists prepare to hold their first convention in Nashville, Tenn., in early February, concerns have emerged about the cohesion of the movement that rose to prominence on its outrage directed at Washington and Wall Street elites.

Some commentators suggested that the lavish nature of the event—which is set at the Gaylord Opryland Hotel and Convention Center and rumored to include steak and lobster dinner with Sarah Palin as the keynote speaker—is at odds with the basic principles of the movement.

"I’m hoping for the best, but I’m prepared for the worst—that it descends into infighting and that the passionate activists who attend end up leaving disenchanted," Red State blogger Erick Erickson told Politico.com.

Others noted potential problems that may stem from trying to hold together a fractious coalition of groups distrustful of authority and pursuing conflicting agendas. For example, the goal of the convention is to develop a mainstream organization, even though the movement was built around grassroots actions and appeals to an audience that is suspicious of top-down management, according to a blog on the website of the Los Angeles Times.

"The idea that there’s one person, one event, that can somehow be the Tea Party spokesperson is inaccurate and counter to the movement of free-thinking individuals that want less government intervention," says John O’Hara, author of A New American Tea Party, quoted by The Christian Science Monitor .
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  • Robert

    The Tea Party organizers don’t need a convention. This was a grassroots movement of people of different political affiliations. Their message has been a strong one and the media cannot ignore their voices too much longer. This convention just provides mainstream media with fodder to attack the movement. Let the Tea Parties continue the way they are and in November their voices will definitely heard. Teas Party participant’s have already said it’s not a political movement, it’s ordinary Americans from all walks of life telling the government to wake up and stop their reckless behavior.

    • Trisha Barton

      Well said, Robert. THANK YOU!

      • SteveO

        Here’s the thing…..we must remain vigilant, always. The progressives will do whatever they feel necessary….anything to undermine our Tea Party movement!!! The best way to stop a grass roots movement is at the roots. So someone comes along and decides we need to be an organized political machine, well, do the math. I’m just an old Hillbilly but I get it. I hope everyone else does.

        On another note: If you feel the fire cooling just listen to the things Congress, Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Obama continue to tell us we needthat should be enough.

        • denniso

          Why would ‘progressives’ want to undermine the tea party movement? You’ve got it backwards. Opponents of the Repub party and ‘conservatives’ in general want to see more power move to the tea people because it works against the mainstream Repub party,since most of it is made up of incumbents. I give the tea party about 6 more months of action,before they fall apart w/ infighting,like most flash movements do.

          • http://mooresmorgue@hotmail.com John Moore

            That would be a sad thing to see happen. The republicans should embrace what the Teaparty movement has started, and I feel they would have landslide victories all across this great nation. That is as long as all Americans still belive in our Founding Documents, not some “living, breathing” thing the Tories (Libs) would like it to be. The last time I checked, there was still an amendment process to go through before the Constutiton could be changed.

    • Meteorlady

      well said – organization top down is a bad thing. Keep the movement going!

    • http://yahoo.com Sue C

      Robert!

      Which Government are YOU talking about? This Government is just one year old, and he took over a Government, with empty coffers, and a whole lot of Republican Chaos, AND Economic Crises, with many Jobless, Homeless, and starving people, whose clothes are now falling off their bodies, for lack of food, and I know Obama did not do that to them!

      I don’t know about the Tea Parties, and what they stand up for, but I know that Sarah Palin is the biggest joke in town, and her agenda is probably Promote “Division”, and Racism will accomplish the mission, of ****DIVIDE, AND RULE****, *Whites “Against all other races!” If she ever becomes the President of the USA, will be one thing, and the other would be, that Americans have poor taste, in choosing their Commander-in-Chief.

      She is beauty, without brain, and “Soccer Mom” talks, or accusing Pres. Obama, of being a College Professor, instead of Commander-in-Chief, is just not going to cut it!!! America has a President, that is not a Blood-Monger, War Monger, Bigot, Racist, and does not take part in Partiality. All Those are White American Traits, and because they are also “DICTATORS” who think “their way” is the best way, they are unable to accept a different way. I love the Way Mr. Obama is running this Government! Here’s Why!!!!!

      He reminds me of a home, that has a “Real Father”, as Head of a Household, who takes charge, and studies his path carefully, before making decisions, because his decisions, will affect himself, and everyone in his house, either positively, or negatively. He weighs the Pros & Cons, carefully, and does not spend money, foolishly, because he wants to be ready, and able to meet the demands of life, should things not turn out well, at any time, unexpectedly.

      However, because the Republicans emptied the coffers, before they left office, in 2008, President Obama has nothing much to work with, with millions of people out of jobs, on SSI/UIB, or on welfare, and whatever else, people use in lieu, of a wage/salary, which means,”many” millions of people, are not paying taxes, and all the finger pointers, are on him, saying, “He is not getting anything done!” To the finger pointers, I say, “One finger” points to President Obama, and the others are facing you. What really do you expect him to do? Are you asking him to “FETCH WATER WITH A STRAINER?” Come on people, get a life!!!!!

      All of you who want to be President of the USA, that always have something to ****WHINE, & COMPLAIN ABOUT****, let me remind you, that America is not A BOTTOMLESS WELL, from which Tom, Dick, Harry, and Jones can steal, constantly, line his pocket, or his Bank Account with taxpayers’ money, and never expect the coffers to ever go empty….. America has a lot of thieves, and they are High Profiled, Mid-Profiled, Low-Profiled, and some of them are working hard at it, to get a profile!!!!!

      Let’s catch the thieves, and “CAN” THEM, then America will be free to get many beautiful things done. This country is beautiful, and has great potential, for awesome things, but Americans are like the “GRAVEYARD” They always want something from America, and they never give back anything!!!!! When you love your country, you “WORK”
      hard, to build it, NOT TO BREAK IT! It is really shameful to see how Americans take too much for granted, always live life as if there is “NO TOMORROW”, and NEVER PREPARES THEMSELVES, FOR THE RAINY DAY, BUT THEY ALWAYS WANT THE TAXPAYERS’ TO BAIL THEM OUT, AFTER THEY HAVE SCREWED THEMSELVES, ROYALLY!

      The Massive Problem in America, is not the Government, but LAZY PEOPLE, WHO ALWAYS WANT A HANDOUT!!!!! We should have a CURRICULUM IN SCHOOL THAT TEACHES LAZY, AMERICANS HOW TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT! IT IS TIME FOR THEM TO GET OFF THE TAXPAYERS’ BACK.

      TAXPAYERS, have paid for the upbringing of generations of families, who have one-night standers, whoremongers/occultists, thieves, and heaven knows what else, for fathers. We pay for their housing, clothes, and food, also in jail!!!!! What the Heck do you all expect of a Government????? Stop being losers, and start doing something good for your country, people. That way, you will be labeled “PATRIOTS”, not “LOSERS!”

      ABOUT THE TEA PARTY PEOPLE, if they they are not about re-educating the people of America, to be self-sufficient, and do go over, and above the call of duty to build their country, then “LET IT BE EXTINCT!” America needs helpers, unity, integrity, *NOT DIVISION!

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/is-the-tea-party-movement-being-weakened-by-internal-strife-19582471/ Damian

    Let us keep informed. Let us involve. Recruit. Communicate. Vote.

    • Faith

      Tired of career politicians? Please google GOOOH (Get out of our House) United we are standing!!! A difference is being made each and every day. Thank You All!!!

  • Bill Hicks

    The Tea Party Movement should not evolve into a “front” for the Republican party or any other top-down controlled establishment organization. We should remain a grass-roots organization….keeping our eye on Constitutional principles and raising untoward government excesses to the point where the news media can never doubt our independence!

    • Curtis S

      Absolutely! The Tea Party Movement should not evolve into a “front” for Faux News, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin or any other top-down controlled establishment organization. We should remain a grass-roots organization….keeping our eye on Constitutional principles and raising untoward government excesses.

  • http://churchlionjudah@verizon.net B. Lee Pemberton

    The Republican Party is no longer a conservative organization, and for the first time since 1987, I will not vote Republican. Members of Congress who claim to be Republican are largely RINO’s and are wolves in sheep’s clothing. I expect to vote for Tea Party candidates in every election from now on. Goodbye, fickle Repubs! You gave up without a fight, and nobody wants cowards and slackers as their representatives!

  • BOOTumALL

    We need to cleanse the congress of all career politicians. That’s the movement. Put common folk who are looking out for us in office. The entrenched beaurucrats need to be put on SSI instead of their federal pensions. Its easy to promote bad ideas when you know it won’t affect you.

    • Trisha Barton

      Now there’s an idea! The fact that they don’t have to go on SSI is the reason we still do. If they knew what it took to try to live on that and then not even get a cost of living increase, while they still get their pay increases, they would understand why we are standing up to them. I hope more of us do.

    • http://yahoo.com Sue C

      Atta, Boy

  • Daniel

    Personally, I think the grass roots of the Tea Party is essential. Was this not how the founders wanted government to be? The power comes from the people. The people would then choose the best among themselves to represent them to others and the world. While I am afraid that the movement will fall into corruption if organized into a political party just as the Republicans and Democrats have, I feel this is necessary. I only hope it is not too late. If there is no Tea Party political power, then how will we make our voices heard. Republicans have candidates do too low in the poles because we feel the choice they “give” us is too far to the left. And what seems to happen? The Democrats tell the Republicans that the candidate was too far to the right and it all too often the Republicans listen to politics than to what we the people really want. So, you don’t think the Tea Party should be a political movement rising up out from the grass roots? Then I guess you want our current “two” party system to continue to offer only you limited choices on your representation, sometimes asking you to choose the lesser of two evils instead of giving you someone who just might be “grassroots.” And, yes, sometimes the Democrats and Republicans offer us a grassroots candidate, but I often feel like that is because we the people forced them to more than because it was what they wanted to offer us. I am well aware of the risk that a third party may fracture more of the Republican vote and leave Democrats “in power.” Personally, I am more afraid that the third party might be too late into this game than I am of the consequences of one being created. Without a third party, we will probably see a lot of “Democrat-lite” being labelled as Republicans and far leftists be labelled as Democrats. A third party that could win a few seats, or at least rock the boat enough, might force the parties to actually realign to the center than to have both keep going to the left.

  • upsidedownjack

    Let us not forget what the TEA Party is “all” about. Your all right, this is a People Movement! But if this Convention, Put’s both Party’s on notice’s weve had enought, were Mad as Hell and were TAKING BACK our Country! We should remember that it’s the Goverment that is the Problem here. And that is BOTH PARTY’S!!!!!!!!!! We need to stop the Progressives from, interfering in the “Life’s” of the (Everyday) man! And there is plenty of the (Progressives) in BOTH PARTY’S! WE need to have People in DC that want to go go home after ONE term! We need ot get back to a Goverment of the PEOPLE!
    John Gault

    • denniso

      So,steak and lobster,Palin getting $200,000 to show up and babble,$200 tickets to get in…some ‘grass roots’ convention this will be. Maybe rich grass roots.

      • http://mooresmorgue@hotmail.com John Moore

        If paid $500 for a ticket, I’d expect steak & lobster also.

  • http://windowslive BILL MILLER

    I’ve been at several Tea Parties and our Constitutional Rights are our main concern.We want them back pure and simple.

    • Trisha Barton

      I have been to one. I proudly support them and will continue to until changes are made in government.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    I consider myself as conservative, but I believe that the Tea Party organizers will fail in their agenda, affiliated with a party or not! Not only has the “progressive(Marxist) agenda” been going on in America since Wilson was President, it also has evolved into American Culture. In fact, since the Civil War, to become citizens in America, applicants must be “External” in personality type, meaning wanting others to make decisions for them! A Roman Catholic is a good example of being an “external” personality type! Note: Although Jesuits did infiltrate into America before the civil war, introducing Roman Catholics into America, it was not legal for Roman Catholics to come to America until after the civil war! That’s fact! Now, the biggest denomination of “Christian” is “Roman Catholic” in America! Again, this process is called using “evolution,” not revolution, but it is our true history!

    • http://mju@tampabay.rr.com marika

      Victor, i think You have a problem with beleivers in God by any faith…the problem is the people that dos not know the past world history about Marx, Hitler etc. And the universeties brainwash our young people about liberalizum
      Everyone should turn the tv on for Glenn Beck teaching ….I lived it
      what he is teaching about….

    • Bob

      Mr. Barney,
      Are you suggesting that those that believe in the fundamental reasons for the Tea Party movement might as well give up? I, for one, will not.
      Bob

      • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

        My Dear Bob, I hope that if you ever see this posted somewhere, you’ll not take personal affront, Maybe you’ve even heard the commercial. By the way, I too shall not give up on the Tea Party MOVEMENT, not political party. Anyway, read this: “Don’t Worry, Bob’s here!” That was the punch line from a rather memorable commercial for a temp agency from a few years ago. I took that line, applied it to illegal immigration and came up with the following tongue in cheek essay: “Don’t worry, B.O.B.’s here!” “B.O.B.” stands for “Bag limit? Or Bounty?” (If Bounty, “Dead or Alive?”) It went on from there. Unfortunately, it’s lost somewhere in the old, real old computer it was created on. You, however, I believe, get the idea. Of course, the “progressives” who read it were “outraged, simply outraged” by it. I saw this reaction as a good sign, since they usually are by the truth. I also was saddened by the realization that “A Modest Proposal”, or something similar, could not be published in todays world of “Politically Correct, New Speak”.

    • Curtis S

      What? When were Roman Catholics banned from emigrating to US???

  • realbigal

    The best way to keep the Tea Party movement from fizzling is to steer individuals to Appleton.

  • Michelle

    We need to keep the Tea Party Movement to it’s core values, just like we need to reign in the out of control government back to the core values of the constitution. Political power breeds corruption, and the power of the upcoming convention seems to following in these tracks. Differences of opinion exist in any group, even when the basic beliefs are the same. The Tea Party Movement needs to remain strong if we want to get the country back.

    • greyhawk

      You are so right Michelle. The career politicians, MSM and Hollywood have mastered the Divide And Conquer strategies. We need to guard against being misled by Infiltrators and others. If you have folks in your movement who are always stirring up strife, bring them back to the basics of the movement. Do not let anybody inside or outside the movement divide you. Remember, the leftists have an unlimited supply of your tax dollars to fund their movement through groups such as ACORN, SEIU and others, and they will inflitrate your movements. They are not hard to spot. When you get new members who seem overly zealous and want to tell you how to do it, keep an eye on them, and do not trust them with anything important, and by all means, CYA at all times.

      • Curtis S

        You are so right Michelle. The career politicians, Faux News and fundamental Christians have mastered the Divide And Conquer strategies. We need to guard against being misled by Infiltrators and others. If you have folks in your movement who are always stirring up strife, bring them back to the basics of the movement. Do not let anybody inside or outside the movement divide you. Remember, the fascists have an unlimited supply of your tax dollars to fund their movement through groups such as Moral Majority, Focus on the Family and others, and they will infiltrate your movements. They are not hard to spot. When you get new members who seem overly zealous and want to tell you how to do it, keep an eye on them, and do not trust them with anything important, and by all means, CYA at all times.

        • eyeswideopen

          Too funny. Thanks needed that laugh.

        • Fed Up Gal in Nm

          Curtis S,

          All eyes are on you, Curtis.

          Fed Up Gal

        • Michael J.

          Curtis S,
          Thanks for the textbook Alinsky analysis. I guess the only rules for radicals is that there are no rules, just insideous goals.

          • Curtis S

            Alinsky? Saul Alinsky? I’d never heard of this person, but thanks for the insight! I thought it was a classic Karl Rove move, but now I see where he got his modus operandi from.
            Ya learn something new everyday! Thanks MJ!

    • http://yahoo.com Sue C

      Michelle! You sound like a person who wants to keep things on the right track, and I am with you, on that, but I have a problem with the Tea Party, and “What Does It Stand Up For?” We do not need a party to get back to the proper way of getting America back on track! Parties only exploit people, who are as “LOST SHEEP, WITHOUT A SHEPHERD!” (That means, Democrats, the *Republicans, who talk the talk, but only look out for the rich, while they bleed, or ride on the backs of the poor. TEA PARTY? What is that? Better Watch It! Political Parties are just High Class Hustlers! The Prostitute is more honest than those white collared, smiling, brief case crooks!!!!!

      We don’t need a political party to get back to the basics of Truth, Honesty, Integrity, Self-Respect, and Respect for others, regardless of race, color, or creed. We need to make a conscious decision, as humans, each day, to uphold, and promote only the things that are good, for ourselves, our home, family, community, and country.

      Right now, we are involved in many intangents, and sometimes down-right dishonest, useless, and no good issues/situations, which are not conducive, nor beneficial, to the growth, development, and prosperity of this nation. We as people of the land, have to make that conscious decision, to do better, for ourselves, and country!

      There is currently such “Poor Customer Service”, from the young people, known as the X-GENs, who have no respect for anyone, nor themselves, and act as if, the older people are in their way! That shows “no one” spent “quality time”, to teach them anything about values, self respect, and how to respect others, thus we have a lot of people, especially from the 60s, who are lost, who are groping at noonday, as in darkness! No political party can solve this GRAVE problem. We have to get up, stand up, and make up our minds to do better. It is never too late to learn, and if we are going to watch anyone, it will have to be ourselves, and when we watch others, it will not be because of the agenda of a political party, but we will do so, to help them to get up, stand up, and join hands to build.

      The Agenda, we need is one that will, once again, make America, A Place of Love, of self, neighbor, the stanger, who may be hurting (but with some caution). We must work on “Self-Respect, Trust, the building, and growth, of this country, into what America once use to be. A Place where people once use to feel safe, protected, and free, but now, it is a place where you cannot trust your neighbor, who sees you, and knows your going out, and coming in, and your daily habits. That is not a good report, and a Political Party is not going to make us into good people. We have to WORK AT IT! Tea Party? NO!

  • http://yahoo Joseph Glaab

    Hi!
    Neither the Democrats or Republicans have enough, or maybe any, good candidates. The Tea Party is already splitting because of their conservative and ultra-conservative, Libertarian views. I would say that the present Government only has one honest politician at this time, Ron Paul. I am confident that if the Tea Party members would realize that they are really Libertarian, suitable candidates cold be found. I suspect that it will only be a short time before Brown from Massachusetts will be fed the “stupid” pills that Washington thrives on. Of course it could be in the water!

    • Tinwarble

      Actually, Joseph, the Tea Party movement isn’t splitting and this is not about conservatives vs. ultra conservatives or Libertarians. This is about one person trying to place himself as the leader of the Tea Party movement. And your assessment that Tea Party people are really Libertarians is off the mark too, sense the Tea Party is made up of Democrats, Republicans, Independents and Libertarians. All want the government to stop over taxing people and for a more limited government, but not all to the same extent, so no, most aren’t Libertarians.

      • Curtis S

        That’s going to be a huge disappointment to the puppet masters at Faux News who are the creators of this “grass roots” movement. They started the movement, they keep it alive and now they’re about to crown Sarah as the “queen” of the Tea Party. It would be very disrespectful of the tea-baggers to stop following orders now. Who’s going to pay (fundraise) to listen to Sarah’s “keynote” speeches and eat steak with Sarah?

        • Tinwarble

          Curtis,

          There you go, twisting the truth again. I believe the first Tea Party was started by Keli Carender, who blogs as “Liberty Belle”. Fox did not start the Tea Party but did give it a voice unlike the MSM who either ignored it or lambasted it with their diatribe. Maybe that’s why your friends over there at MSNBC, CNN and the rest of the MSM have such bad ratings. The only thing started by anyone over at Fox was the 9-12 Project started by Beck. But sense you have never watched Fox, and only get what you know of Fox from you Liberal friends over at the Huff & Blow Post, I wouldn’t expect you to know what Fox has or hasn’t done.

  • Vera Vaupel

    Sarah Palin in her book explained the left tactics at destroying. Scott Brown’s win was perfect if you consider how he won with Tea Party proponents realizing big money is a bad candidate small donations gave him the win, let’s hope he uses it wisely.
    Newt Gingrich, Sarah Plain, Mike Huckabee, Glenn Beck. Newt is history savvy with knowledge of how to get us backed out of many bad laws created and positions held that shouldn’t be there, a knowledgeable constitutionalist. Sarah is dedicated to doing the sensible common sense thing, working for the people. She’s already stepped on big business so they are working against her, bonus for her she’s an outsider. Mike would be OK but not brutal. We need someone that wouldn’t bend to bad law ideas just to get along. No law is better than a bad one. Glenn we need right where he is. He has done more to reveal corruption than anyone presently on the air waves barring none and thus far I have not found one false report out of him that he hasn’t corrected, a must for information that you follow.
    Tea Party movement will go a long way in getting the best candidates on the ticket with 912 ideals.

    • greyhawk

      Right on Post Vera. Mike Huckabee, since getting his own TV show, has become a fence straddler. He loves his celebrity and I think leaving him at Fox is the place for him as he tends to want to coddle all. He, like O’Reilly is Fair and Balanced, which you have to be if your are walking a fence. In other words, we want no Fence Straddlers who “tilt in which ever direction they believe they have the most power.” This sort of Mealy Mouthed nonsense is why McCain was so unfit to represent the conservative movement. And, McCain and his handlers totally squelched Palin, and this Squelching cost us the election. It is time to take the Gloves Off and hit them where it hurts and that is Hit Them With The Truth.

      Most Americans would like to hear some ideas that include: Abolishing Many Departments, Agencies, Commissions and Bureaus of the Federal Government. It has been throught the Agency, Dept. Empire Building that the nation has gotten so far off track that it now resembles the old Soviet Union. The Absolute Downsizing to the Federal Government is a Must, and it Must be the Major Plank in our Campaign to take the country back. All government agencies, departments, commissions and bureaus are their own Self-Perpetuating Empires and like all Empires, they Become Despotic and Totalitarian. To Kill a Venomous Snake, You Cut off it’s head. The Many Headed Snake that is destroying us as a nation is the Bureaucracy.

      • AmyB

        AMEN! AMEN! and AMEN!

    • Twncars

      Awesome Vera

  • Wesley W. Harris

    I agree with Bob that the Tea Party does not need a convention, however, I strongly suggest that there is a danger from some of the ‘fring’ members of the group of circumventing the cause via unjust complaints when those of us step out in front to try to give the movement direction. Without direction the movement will fall into caos and the Polisi claims of “mob rule” will actually apply. No movement in history obtained it’s goal without some leadership, organization and direction. This is a fact and the Tea Party movement is not exempt from this rule.

  • Maryann O’Rourke

    This is what happens all the time. There are always too many people who want to be in charge and not enough people who want to be lead. I agree with Bob that the Tea Party does not need a convention. It would be moving in the wrong direction if we think that we can become a group outside of the conservative Republican Party. We need to be united, remember this group was formed to let the Republicans know that we will not stand for the Republicans who are RHINOS in disguise. We need to stop the bickering and remain united.

    • Bonnie

      I could not be a member of the Republican Party as it is today. I am a conservative, and therefore, I could not be a member of the Democratic Party either. You have to realize how many of us are out here in ‘no man’s land’ without a party to represent them, we have rejected both parties, realizing that they are corrupted by the elites. The Republican party is repulsive to me in that they are warmongers, and fall into the elite’s trap of believing that we must start preemptive war with oil rich countries. It is time for the American people to wake up and realize that they have been duped by the military-industrial- (and now) pharmaceutical complex. WE have produced ‘terrorists’, by mucking in their affairs for the past 80 years, so that we can get our greedy hands on the oil underneath of the sands of their countries, and in the interest of Israel. In fact, every decision the U.S. government makes is in the interest of Israel, and against the interest of the United States of America. Our problem is duel citizens of both countries infest our federal government, the influence of the AIPAC, the ADF, PNAC, and MSM’s that subvert and propagandize our ‘News!’ Do not forget that there IS a shadow government and THEY call the shots, and all Washington has buckled under to them. John Kennedy tried to do things his own way, and look what happened to him.

  • Jerry Stoneburner

    I supported the Tea Party in their efforts with Brown in MA. But, this convention that is planed in Nashville has the markings of excesses. If I am going to support the Tea Party in the future the leaders had better show some restraints on spending my donations. Sara Palin should be donating her time as a guest speaker, Not charging $100,000. WRONG MESSAGE to our opposition.

    • Ayn Rand

      I was told Palin did not charge an honorarium for this event. Do you know for a fact she is being paid $100K? Tx

      • JeffH

        She said that her fee would be donated to charity.

    • Janew

      One thing, Sarah Palin did say that she was going to put that money back into support for candidates that tea party people are backing. I agree with most of you that we do not need a convention. But, if it draws serious people who will come home with good leadership ideas, it will help us all. Most of us do not know how to organize our community, we’re all really new at this and Sarah can energize the folks.

      • eyeswideopen

        Janew, Palin purchased $63,000 worth of her own books to be given to her $100.00 donors. She donated $43,000 to political candidates. She stated that she would be able to donate her fee to a pac. If it’s a grass roots group with no money other than that which Fox gives them, why charge them?

        • JeffH

          …and just what does that have to do with anything?

  • http://google Michael Hartfield

    The power of the Tea Party is not to offer candidates, but to endorse candidates. If the Tea Party runs its own candidates, the Democrats will win elections for decades. There must be a mechanism created where Tea Party members can cast a vote that tells whether they like a candidate who calls him/herself as a conservative. If a candidate wins the endorsement, then Tea Party members will support with manpower and money.

    The goal is to elect constitutional, brave, smart candidates who will represent the vision of the Founding Fathers.

    • Bob Shea

      Michael, I agree with you totally. This is a grass roots organization that is local. All of a sudden we see organizations that have “taken over” the term Tea Party and ruin what has been a great happening in American politics. There are now many who are laying claim to the title and asking for money. These may even be Democrats. There should be no 3rd Party. The Democrats will win for sure. That is a proven fact in history. That is a proven fact for both parties. Let us stay local and work just the way it was so successful last year in its beginning. If we don’t, we will lose all our freedoms in the next election if Democrats win.

      • DaveH

        What has been “proven”, Bob, is that neither Party dislikes Big Government. Keep throwing away your vote on Republicans and keep wondering why the Government get Bigger.

        • Tinwarble

          DaveH,

          This is not about the Party, it is about putting actual limited government candidates up as our representatives. The problem with the Republican Party isn’t that they like big government, but we Republicans have let the Party leaders put up people who don’t fall inline with our conservative values. We have let the Progressives infiltrate our party and let them ruin our party, making us look more like the Democrats than the conservative party of Reagan. It is not that we should give up on the Republican Party, but to bring the party back to our conservative values. Now you know that I agree with you on most issues, but I feel Libertarians take things to far. I have no impulse to try to change how you feel, but I would suggest you see this about the roots of American Liberty: http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1452232390?bctid=10331348001

          • DaveH

            Tin,
            The “conservative” party of Reagan was basically a party of one – Reagan. He went in like a ball of fire with a lot of good ideas. His own party (led by Bob Dole) hung all over him and prevented him from implementing most of his ideas. The Democrats were crying that the budget was being “cut to the bone” (all that was really done was to halt growth of government). And the Republican Congressmen were admonishing Reagan that he needed to “compromise”. So, his own party effectively neutered the man that may have otherwise been the most effective president ever.

          • DaveH

            And Tin,
            If you expect others to respect your freedom, you need to return the favor. I’m talking about the Republicans’ obsession with vice-crimes. The government has no business protecting people from themselves. This is what drives a lot of people to the Democrat Party. That and the military state that is driven mostly by Republicans.

          • DaveH

            And you should read this:
            http://mises.org/rothbard/foranewlb.pdf

          • Tinwarble

            DaveH,

            First, I do respect your freedom, but freedom isn’t what we are promise (except for religious freedom), we are promised LIBERTY. Animals have freedom, Liberty has a purely human context. Liberty is freedom with morality, being able to do what you want is not Liberty. As one of the philosophers that our Founding Fathers turned to when forming our country said:

            “But what is liberty without wisdom, and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without tuition or restraint.”

            Edmund Burke

          • DaveH

            Tin,
            I use freedom and liberty interchangeably. Liberty perhaps implies more of a relation between state and citizens. But who cares? The English language is not a precise one.
            http://www.lewrockwell.com/stromberg/stromberg14.html

            Look, I know you’re intelligent. You don’t need to try to impress me. But I am also, and my years of experience tell me that you can’t force your morality on other people unless such morality is embraced by the vast majority of people.

          • DaveH

            And what I do with my own body is nobody else’s business. I can tell you that you wouldn’t like me telling you what to do with yours. I’m a health food nut who lives a very spartan life with a discipline that very few people could tolerate. But I wouldn’t dream of forcing my life choices on others.

            The problem with Republicans is that, whatever morality they embrace, they think same should be forced on others. As a result, we have this very large dichotomy between Left-Wingers and Right Wingers. And those of us who just mind our own business get caught in the middle.

          • Tinwarble

            DaveH,

            Now, this is not about me trying to prove to you how intelligent I am, I will tell you that I am just an dumb old redneck, nor am I trying to disprove your intelligence. But you have no qualm about criticizing Conservatives on their beliefs when you disagree, and I would think that your beliefs would be strong enough to withstand criticism when someone has an intelligent disagreement with you. I, like you, will defend my beliefs the best I can, with the best facts that are available. This, after all, is not an argument just for arguments sake.

            With that being said, I am a fairly good student of history and I do agree with you that the English language is not precise, but the Founding Fathers were precise in their language and the words that they used were specifically chosen for their meaning. To disregard what they or those that they were influenced by as not being precise only makes using any of their quotes ineffective and void of any meaning. And this is just a question, so try not to make more out of it than it is. But isn’t the argument that Liberals use when trying to subvert the Constitution for their own gain, that the language isn’t precise?

          • Tinwarble

            And Dave, I read the article you posted and was already aware of this. But a words definition isn’t the problem, it’s the philosophy of the word Liberty, and for that you have to look at the philosophers the Founding Fathers were influenced by. The Constitution, after all, was not based on the meaning of words, but a philosophy held by our Founding Fathers.

          • eyeswideopen

            Tin, you just made my point by stating the Founding Fathers were precise in their language. They did not use the word Jesus or Christ in any of our documents. This country was not founded under Christianity but certainly was under GOD. I rest my case.

        • Tinwarble

          Eyes,

          Actually, I NEVER said that this was a Christian Nation, but we were founded on Judeo-Christian “PRINCIPLES”. There is a difference between being a Christian Nation and the principles that we were founded on. This is were GOD comes in, but apparently you are just to ignorant to know the difference.

      • Eatlw

        One thing that has not been said here yet is WATCH OUT FOR INFILTRATORS from the other two parties whose mission would be to sow discord. Most modern movements in the latter half of the 20th century have had infiltrators…….Common opposition tactic. Usually they are the ones who are coaxing people to do radical things so they can either be discredited or arrested….

        • greyhawk

          While purging the congress of Tweedle Dees and Tweedle Dumbs, we have to know the issues and voting records of members and not put them all in the same basket or category. For example, here in Alabama, we have 2 Republican U.S. Senators. Both are better than the Best Democrat from any state, but of the two, Senator Jeff Sessions is truly a Fiscal and Social Conservative. Would not want to lose him to some lesser conservative or pray tell to a democrat. But, Senator Shelby on the other hand, he is socially conservative, and fiscally conservative to a degree, except when it comes to Pork. He loves to bring Pork Home to some of his Hand Picked contributors and builds monuments to himself. I will vote for any conservative who challenges him.

          As for a TEA Party convention, I believe that some of the major organizers come together and discuss strategies and platform issues.

          As a TEA party participant in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, I was not involved in organizing the event, but it was a good turn out and it was inspirational, but the organizers had too many local political hacks who got an opportunity to speak, and to some degree, it was politics as usual.

          We need a national platform that Directly Attacks and Proposes Real Changes in Local, State and National Government. On the national level, we must begin a movement that involves calling for not just cutting spending, but Cutting The Agencies, Departments, Commissions and Bureaus that the elected politicians use and fund, and all these agencies, departments, commissions and bureaus are there own self-perpetuating empires, and like all empires, they seek growth in size, power, and expenditures, and it has been through these mostly worthless federal bureaucracies that we now find ourselves in the Fiscal and Social mess that we now have.

          While this is going on, nobody in the republican or democrat party ever suggests abolishing entire departments, agencies, commissions or bureaus and it is through this bureaucratic machinery that our freedoms, rights and liberties have been taken, and it is through these agencies that our industrial and manufacturing base has been destroyed as they leave the country to escape excessive government regulations that strangle them and at the same time, the taxes are so high, they cannot afford to operate in this country and therefore provide good jobs for legal U.S. citizens.

          So, Plank 1. Abolish U.S. Government Agencies, Depts., Commissions, Bureaus, etc. targeting the U.S. Department of Education first, as it has been through this department that the nation has been dumbed down and brainwashed by Design from the Subversives who run this Department, who are all National Teacher Union Leaders. Public Education is a State and Local Matter, and the Feds should have no involvement whatsoever. And, then we can get back to the Basics of Teaching Academic Skills, and not the current Political Correctness, Sexual Perversity, and Cultural Diversity and other nonsense. And, then follow this with the Department of Energy and others. Afterall, the Federal Bureaucracy winds up being Replicated at the State Level of government as the Feds mandate to States what they have to do. If Massachusetts or California want to Remain Socialist, so be it, but do not impose on the rest of the country.

          Plank 2: Stringently Enforce Immigration laws, including the arrest of anybody who hires them knowingly or sells real estate to illegals. Build the Fence. Round up the Illegals and Deport Immediately. End the Anchor Baby Law. The illegals now occupy one third of our prison space due to violent crimes committed in this country. End all Social Assistance to Illegals.

          Plank 3: Turn Welfare into Workfare. If people refuse to work when able, then they will have to root hog or die. If they get hungry enough, they will seek employment, but we have to put the nation back on it’s feet and rid the nation of a worthless federal bureaucracy that destroys incentives to produce. We have to have a business friendly environment free of many regulations, taxes, etc. American businesses will regulate themselves responsibly if left alone. Then, Americans coming off welfare will be able to find jobs.

          These are the issues we need to be discussing. Believe it or not, there are millions of Americans waiting to hear Some Real Ideas and Plans.

          As long as the current Bureaucratic Machinery stays in place, nothing will change that matters. Replacing Political Candidates only changes how the money is squandered and what it is squandered on. You have to Destroy the Machinery through which the Money Gets Squandered.

          Getting back to basics in Government and in all other Affairs is the answer.

          And, yes, end the reign of Lobbyists. We, the People are the Lobbyists. We lobby with our votes. After we vote them in, we expect them to represent We, The People. When they stop representing us, we replace them. Special Interest Lobbyists are a Plague, and these lobbyists have more power than We, The People under the current rules. This must end. My Townhall Blogs are Take Back Our Schools, Take Back Our Communities, and a couple of others. My handle is greyhawk and located in Alabama. We have to get busy and take this country back while we still have the freedom to do something about it. At the rate that these Liberal Fascists have moved, we may not have these rights much longer. The time to ACT is now. So, end the In-Fighting. Do not let the MSM or RINO’s or Lib Dems divide and conquer us. United we stand, divided we fall. Happy Trails–Greyhawk at jeromeennis@aol.com.

        • greyhawk

          You are so right Eatlw. The career politicians, MSM and Hollywood have mastered the Divide And Conquer strategies. We need to guard against being misled by Infiltrators and others. If you have folks in your movement who are always stirring up strife, bring them back to the basics of the movement. Do not let anybody inside or outside the movement divide you. Remember, the leftists have an unlimited supply of your tax dollars to fund their movement through groups such as ACORN, SEIU and others, and they will infiltrate your movements. They are not hard to spot. When you get new members who seem overly zealous and want to tell you how to do it, keep an eye on them, and do not trust them with anything important, and by all means, CYA at all times.

  • http://msn v moore

    i was under the impression she was for the tea party. now that’s she’s taking money there goes her crediability. we should tell people we may have to pay for a motel room and a couple of meals but no MORE FEES. your either with us or out the door you go. we can get plenty of important people to speak without paying them. there is to many fed up people in this country.

  • andy

    Who the hell are these people? I attended the 9/12 march on DC and several local events and have never heard of any of the speakers slated for this event except Sarah Palin.
    Furthermore, I subscribe to many tea party groups and have never heard about a convention until reading this.
    This sounds like the kind of politics we have all been working against for the past year.

  • Bob Shea

    Victor, You are either misinformed or ignorant of history. Catholics were here in America long before even the Revolutionary War or when the British Colonies even became independent and formed the United States. You lack a great deal of knowledge on history, religion or even the thought process. You should keep your “thoughts” to yourself and then you won’t show how begoted and uninformed you are.

    Bob

  • Robert

    I do not think that the Tea Party movement is only a result of “RINO’s” in the Republican party. People. ordinary citizens from all walks of life and political leanings are joining in this movement for different reasons, however one basic principle is common amoung everyone – We do not like the way government is being run. We do not have the country we all knew and the youger generation are starting to realize that they are getting fewer choices about what life they want to pursue and their future isn’t all that bright at this point. Gov’t is getting to invovled in peoples lives.
    If we have to ask permission – it isn’t a right.

    • Janew

      That’s exactly right. All political views are a part of this movement. Who says we can’t take over the Democrat and Republician parties. I remember when Democrats were conservative. Politics has changed over the years. And from what I see, we just want our representivies to listen to us and know that the Consitution is law in this country! Vote them all out and start over, that goes for both parties. They the current dems and rep, have been pinning us against each other, now that we are awake, that should be over!

    • JOYCE

      I agree Robert, it it THE PEOPLE — ”WE THE PEOPLE” — Now our eyes are open to what in the world has happened to the United States. We are awake — let us bring America back!

  • Charles Schiller

    How can the R-party lay claim to the Tea Party movement? This is a movement of the people by the people for the people. If this is just another R thing then why bother? I am a conservative to the core. I suggest both the R’s and the D’s stay out of the way and let the people select the representative we want to send to the primaries.

    We can better organize from our local areas and select the people to serve us as our elected conservative leaders.

    • Janew

      Brovo!

  • Priscilla Perez

    We are TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY, (TEA) and that is why we need to fight any politician no matter what party they belong to, who continue to spend, spend, spend our money. We desperately need term limits in DC so that these politicians do not become entrenched. If any politician says that they are fiscally conservative and socially liberal, they are engaging in double speak. You cannot support social liberal programs without spending tax dollars on those programs. That is what the TEA Party movement is about getting back to our Constitution and not this evolution that has led to bigger government.

    • Bonnie

      Well Said, Priscilla!!!

    • DaveH

      Priscilla,
      I disagree. Socially Liberal does not mean a person supports more laws. Passing laws to gain Freedom is an Oxymoron since the Government is almost always the main source of deprivation of freedom.
      A person can indeed be Socially Liberal and Fiscally Conservative. The Libertarian Party is the embodiment of that. The Government has no business protecting people from themselves in a Free society. Thus, there should be no such thing as a victimless crime.
      If the Right-Wingers (who have co-opted the term Conservative) will not respect the Freedom of others, how can they ever expect that the rest of Society will respect their desired freedoms?

      • AnhydrousBob

        And another thing, DaveH. I don’t get why people are so hung up on term limits. I wonder if the Statists are actually behind the idea.

        What do people think they will get with Term Limits? We’ll spend a lot of energy to pass a law so people will feel relieved that they have done something to get the bad guys out and can go back to whatever we were doing as a nation while we got into this problem… THAT is the problem now … we’ve let this happen while we concentrated on other things besides governing ourselves.

        Each election is the time to vote someone out – why should someone rotten get two terms at all? Why should a great representative not serve 3 or 4 terms? The founding fathers certainly knew of the concept of term limits, but they apparently found the idea ridiculous.

        IF we are not constantly paying attention we wont know if someone is good or bad. “We have a republic, if you can keep it”

        • DaveH

          I agree Bob. The ironic thing is that most who advocate Term Limits would agree that Free Markets work because they give people incentives to perform well. Yet, they turn around and want to take the incentive to perform well away from the Politicians.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            It also doesn’t ake into mind the problem of getting the law passed. what else will they tack onto the bill along with term limits? How about only two PARTIES? How about income based voter eligibility?

      • Claire

        DaveH–I agree, you are telling it like it is. Thank you for your post.

  • http://republic-mainstreet.blogspot.com/ MainStreet

    The whole success of the Tea Party movement depends on the grass roots action. We distrust centralized government. Why would we want centralized control of the Tea Party movement? These organizers are just another group seeking power over the people.

  • Raggs

    I wonder how many Acorn’s and SEIU traitors to the country have infiltrated the party? The Dem’s will do anything possible to break the back of the party. pelosi, reid are sure to be invovled in a scam.

    • David Hall

      Raggs, here’s the problem with that, maybe they can break a back or
      two, but they can’t break the WILL of the American People. Plus, the
      REDNECKS ain’t showed up yet. You know the ole boys that would rather
      fight than talk. Once, they show up, anybody that interrupts and it
      will be on LIKE A POT OF NECKBONES!

    • greyhawk

      o You are so right Raggs. The career politicians, MSM and Hollywood have mastered the Divide And Conquer strategies. We need to guard against being misled by Infiltrators and others. If you have folks in your movement who are always stirring up strife, bring them back to the basics of the movement. Do not let anybody inside or outside the movement divide you. Remember, the leftists have an unlimited supply of your tax dollars to fund their movement through groups such as ACORN, SEIU and others, and they will infiltrate your movements. They are not hard to spot. When you get new members who seem overly zealous and want to tell you how to do it, keep an eye on them, and do not trust them with anything important, and by all means, CYA at all times.

  • Boo T

    Some see the Tea Party as an opportunity to fenagle their way into politics they could not get involved with before. And I see that certain people are taking over one of the groups I have associated with and are trying to elect a progressive rino (Pat Hughes) here in Illinois to the Senate (taking Burris’ place). It makes my stomach queasy when it’s so obvious that that bottom feeders are being supported by what I thought were people who felt as I did and so many others in our central Iliinois area. The primary (THE most important)
    election is 2/2 tomorrow, and I’m afraid too many will be swayed to vote for Hughes when Don Lowery is the TRUE conservative here. One of our group leaders has been not “endorsing” him but saying she would vote for him, and weak people will go with what they think is a winner, always have always will, which I don’t understand. Pray for us in Illinois tomorrow, pray conservatism rules!!

    • Janew

      Isn’t anything better than Mark Kirk? From what I can tell Hughes has gotten a lot of support from Tea Parties in the state. Am I mistaken? I haven’t heard much about Don Lowery, however his is my first choice in Illinois. I just don’t know if he’s going to get the votes and I don’t want Mark Kirk in there.

      • DaveH

        Jane,
        Don’t compromise your morality just because another candidate is more likely to win. If we vote for the lesser of two evils, then we will be guaranteed “Evil”. I consider that to be throwing away my vote much more so than supporting the losing candidate.

    • Bonnie

      God knows, you Illinois voters deserve some honest Senators and Representatives for a change. Unfortunately, I don’t know if that would be allowed. Clinton and Obama both used voter fraud in the primaries, but Obama was hand picked by Zbigniew Brzezinski and his ‘machine’ and lets face it, Clinton is an embedded politician, who has clawed her way to the top, she has a lot of enemies. (that have tried to cut her throat!) She would not have been the puppet that Obama is! So they cut her a deal, you give us the Presidency and we’ll give you the Secretary of State position, and 2012! You have to understand who you are up against, they infiltrate all groups with ‘rent a mob’ and ‘dupe a mob’ tactics all over the world. Funny that you would ask for prayer though, because I was just praying for those elections this morning as I listened to WIND!

    • greyhawk

      Your election will be in my thoughts, heart and prayers. Scott Brown won in Massachusetts. Believe in prayer and have faith, but faith without works is dead. Get Out The Vote.

  • http://www.murphystale.com Marye Bigler

    We need to get to the root of our problem and that is to have all of the T.E.A. groups in the USA make sure that ACORN does not use their “dirty tricks” at our voting precincts. We should have the right to make sure that only registered legal voters are allowed to place their vote at every election this year and from now on! It would help us have an honest election everywhere in the country if each state made it a law that the voter should show his ID before he is allowed to vote. Remember ACORN was caught in voter fraud in many states for a total of 400,000 votes in the last election and were found guilty by juries……but our wonderful President and his Attorney General stepped in and declared them “innocent.” We cannot afford to have this happen ever again. This is getting at the root of the problem and isn’t that what we in the T.E.A. citizens’ groups want to do!!! Quit bickering and let’s get united on this important problem. Solutions to problems is what we are about….look how we helped solve the “problem” in Massachusetts.

    • greyhawk

      You are so Right, Marye Bigler. The career politicians, MSM and Hollywood have mastered the Divide And Conquer strategies. We need to guard against being misled by Infiltrators and others. If you have folks in your movement who are always stirring up strife, bring them back to the basics of the movement. Do not let anybody inside or outside the movement divide you. Remember, the leftists have an unlimited supply of your tax dollars to fund their movement through groups such as ACORN, SEIU and others, and they will infiltrate your movements. They are not hard to spot. When you get new members who seem overly zealous and want to tell you how to do it, keep an eye on them, and do not trust them with anything important, and by all means, CYA at all times.

  • Randy Webb

    Just consider the sources of which this story is being conveyed from, “Los Angeles Times”. That should tell you something! Do you believe what Washington says, I sure don’t. We have had a switch in the last 20 years. The politicians have moved to Holywood and holywood has moved to Washington. We have more actors seated in washington than we do California. They wouldn’t know WHAT to say if it wasn’t for someone else writing it down for them. They tell you “OH I’ve been to college and know what to do.” Well I have one question for them. “What practical experience do you have in dealing with that situation?” ZILCH NADA NONE.. WOuld you want a janitor doing the job of a bridge engineer over the Gulf ? I sure don’t, I want someone with some common sense and knows from experience what needs to be done without consulting some idiot that wrote a book about it. Would be like going hunting for Bear with a straw and paper spit wads.

    • greyhawk

      Good post Randy. We do not need hacks from any walk of life to lead us. We need common sense and honest people who have integrity, but we also need folks who know what they are doing. If you have a fiscal problem, you want an honest CPA who understands how to track down errors, corruption, waste, etc. You do not want a Barney Frank, a perverted sexual deviant, or an Al Franken, a leftist funny man who knows nothing about anything of substance. That is the problem we now have in DC. Too many Celebrity Types,Pervert Types and Subversive Types from Hollywood and politicians from Socialist Cities and States are now running affairs for the entire country.

      We are having San Francisco Style Policies, Laws and Taxation forced on the rest of us. In San Francisco, they regulate French Fries, while allowing perverts to walk the streets naked if they want to with no regard for decency or other moral standards. In San Francisco, you will get more jail time for neglecting your dog than you will for molesting children if you are a homosexual. These sorts of insane laws and ideas have now found their way into DC via Nancy Pelosi, and other Subversives, Socialists, Communists and Perverts from the Great Socialist State of California.

  • JOYCE

    There will always be imperfections — we are human beings – if we can all stay with the core values and uphold the constitution — this is a beginning. I have seen and been reading about how the United States have come this far with this leftist propaganda — this has been going on since the 1920′s . It will be hard to change everything but if we continue to keep getting the message out / going after each seat that is up for re-election / go to town meetings/ keep in their face with passion and with confidence — we can make a change!! We already have!! Now I do not know about this convention being held and I am sorry for not seeing this but I hope that the people handling this will adhere to the principles that ”we the people” / the constitution – liberty uphold and come up with more ideas. We must be as one though!! The 912 march was of such ideas and people were thirsting for this!!

    • greyhawk

      Great post Joyce: While purging the congress of Tweedle Dees and Tweedle Dumbs, we have to know the issues and voting records of members and not put them all in the same basket or category. For example, here in Alabama, we have 2 Republican U.S. Senators. Both are better than the Best Democrat from any state, but of the two, Senator Jeff Sessions is truly a Fiscal and Social Conservative. Would not want to lose him to some lesser conservative or pray tell to a democrat. But, Senator Shelby on the other hand, he is socially conservative, and fiscally conservative to a degree, except when it comes to Pork. He loves to bring Pork Home to some of his Hand Picked contributors and builds monuments to himself. I will vote for any conservative who challenges him.

      As for a TEA Party convention, I believe that some of the major organizers come together and discuss strategies and platform issues.

      As a TEA party participant in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, I was not involved in organizing the event, but it was a good turn out and it was inspirational, but the organizers had too many local political hacks who got an opportunity to speak, and to some degree, it was politics as usual.

      We need a national platform that Directly Attacks and Proposes Real Changes in Local, State and National Government. On the national level, we must begin a movement that involves calling for not just cutting spending, but Cutting The Agencies, Departments, Commissions and Bureaus that the elected politicians use and fund, and all these agencies, departments, commissions and bureaus are there own self-perpetuating empires, and like all empires, they seek growth in size, power, and expenditures, and it has been through these mostly worthless federal bureaucracies that we now find ourselves in the Fiscal and Social mess that we now have.

      While this is going on, nobody in the republican or democrat party ever suggests abolishing entire departments, agencies, commissions or bureaus and it is through this bureaucratic machinery that our freedoms, rights and liberties have been taken, and it is through these agencies that our industrial and manufacturing base has been destroyed as they leave the country to escape excessive government regulations that strangle them and at the same time, the taxes are so high, they cannot afford to operate in this country and therefore provide good jobs for legal U.S. citizens.

      So, Plank 1. Abolish U.S. Government Agencies, Depts., Commissions, Bureaus, etc. targeting the U.S. Department of Education first, as it has been through this department that the nation has been dumbed down and brainwashed by Design from the Subversives who run this Department, who are all National Teacher Union Leaders. Public Education is a State and Local Matter, and the Feds should have no involvement whatsoever. And, then we can get back to the Basics of Teaching Academic Skills, and not the current Political Correctness, Sexual Perversity, and Cultural Diversity and other nonsense. And, then follow this with the Department of Energy and others. Afterall, the Federal Bureaucracy winds up being Replicated at the State Level of government as the Feds mandate to States what they have to do. If Massachusetts or California want to Remain Socialist, so be it, but do not impose on the rest of the country.

      Plank 2: Stringently Enforce Immigration laws, including the arrest of anybody who hires them knowingly or sells real estate to illegals. Build the Fence. Round up the Illegals and Deport Immediately. End the Anchor Baby Law. The illegals now occupy one third of our prison space due to violent crimes committed in this country. End all Social Assistance to Illegals.

      Plank 3: Turn Welfare into Workfare. If people refuse to work when able, then they will have to root hog or die. If they get hungry enough, they will seek employment, but we have to put the nation back on it’s feet and rid the nation of a worthless federal bureaucracy that destroys incentives to produce. We have to have a business friendly environment free of many regulations, taxes, etc. American businesses will regulate themselves responsibly if left alone. Then, Americans coming off welfare will be able to find jobs.

      These are the issues we need to be discussing. Believe it or not, there are millions of Americans waiting to hear Some Real Ideas and Plans.

      As long as the current Bureaucratic Machinery stays in place, nothing will change that matters. Replacing Political Candidates only changes how the money is squandered and what it is squandered on. You have to Destroy the Machinery through which the Money Gets Squandered.

      Getting back to basics in Government and in all other Affairs is the answer.

      And, yes, end the reign of Lobbyists. We, the People are the Lobbyists. We lobby with our votes. After we vote them in, we expect them to represent We, The People. When they stop representing us, we replace them. Special Interest Lobbyists are a Plague, and these lobbyists have more power than We, The People under the current rules. This must end. My Townhall Blogs are Take Back Our Schools, Take Back Our Communities, and a couple of others. My handle is greyhawk and located in Alabama. We have to get busy and take this country back while we still have the freedom to do something about it. At the rate that these Liberal Fascists have moved, we may not have these rights much longer. The time to ACT is now. So, end the In-Fighting. Do not let the MSM or RINO’s or Lib Dems divide and conquer us. United we stand, divided we fall. Happy Trails–Greyhawk .

  • http://windowslive BILL MILLER

    Hey now, I like John Paul and what the News Media and Government did to him gave him little chance as President. WE THE PEOPLE can change this kind of corruption and miss use of power if we do what we are doing now,”Communicating”. The WHITE HOUSE knows nothing about talking it out and coming to-gether as we do.WE THE PEOPLE ARE ALL WE HAVE AND OUR BELIEF AND FAITH IS ALL WE NEED. Victor L Barney talked about external personality type and he is right.That history should have been in our schools and the fact that the White race productivity is at zero will be a evolution factor in the future if we don’t wise up.We need our kids and my grand children to learn the truth.We need people like J Edwards in prison.

  • Don

    I dont know these people who claim to be in charge of us tea partiers? As the man said above, We are a grassroots, independant, group of Americans, who do not cozy up to any political party. If need be, we will go to the end of the earth to preserve our liberties. If we see that a particular politician(regardless of affilitation)does the right thing for our country, we will support that person.This progressive agenda of President is wrong for our country. We will continue to resist it.

  • Ray Burke

    The Tea Party movement is busily urging Atlas to shrug. Let’s hope they succeed.

    • Curtis S

      hahaha Hey Ray… don’t mention Ayn Rand here… the religious right would never approve of her.

      • libertytrain

        Curtis – last time Ms. Rand was mentioned here – it was the left-side who pooh-poohed her with a great intensity of emotions — among other things called her a joke and provider of basically useless information – that has been “disproved.” I think she would have enjoyed the banter – it plays out her Atlas Shrugged quite well.

        • Curtis S

          “Oh well, I like Ayn,” Curtis shrugged.

          • libertytrain

            “As do I.” Libertytrain echoed in the darkness…

          • libertytrain

            Curtis – here’s Denniso at it again – In the Bush-Blaming Strategy Article – go check it out – exactly as I mentioned in the post earlier.
            denniso says:
            February 2, 2010 at 10:11 pm

            Sorry,but Ayn Rand was a fiction writer and John Galt was a figment of her imagination. She also turned out to be a bit of a joke as a human..read about her.

        • Fed Up Gal in Nm

          LT,

          You’ve outdone yourself with this one! Excellent!!!!!!!!!!

          Fed Up Gal

  • Pat McGill

    We, the Tea Party movement, make a grave mistake if we forget just who, and what, we’re battling. We’re not fighting Republicans. We’re not fighting Democrats. This is A STRUGGLE AGAINSET THE POWER over the people OUR ENTIRE GOVERNMENT HAS ASSUMED FOR ITSELF. We must remember that we are a republic – that the power is to remain with the citizens – and we must now exercise our individual power over tyrannical government. Let’s not allow our own desire for power, control, authority, notoriety, etc. to destroy the fight against our present corrupt government – instead, let’s stay united in our battle for individual freedom. Do not allow yourself to be confused by MEDIA REPORTS claiming WE’VE LOST OUR FOCUS.

    • greyhawk

      Very well stated Pat McGill. Divide and Conquer strategy has been used throughout history, and in every place it has been used successfully, the masses were always the losers. This is the strategy that Obama uses in his Daily Propaganda Speeches. He teaches Class Hatred, Class Warfare, Class Envy. He talks about the Evil Rich, always implying “the Evil White Man” and the Evil Corporations Run by Evil White Men. This is what Obama means when he stirs up class hatred, and then turns around and tell us that He is Only Going After The Evil Rich. He knows exactly what he is reading from his teleprompters. His propaganda machine that turns out his speeches are experts at psychological warfare, and that is why they Hand Picked Obama to be Their Hand Puppet. They knew that his core beliefs and background, and they knew he was a narcissist who would read anything they prpare for him as long as he has the Spotlight at all times and gets to take credit for everything positive and blame Bush for everything else. These sorts of Liars and Propagandists depend on the Ingorance and Illiteracy in the populace which has been created by the public education system and the MSM and Hollywood. So, within the TEA Party Movement, we have to guard against allowing Infiltrators in our movement to do the same things. Unifying the Local Tea Parties is important, but make sure that the Leadership that Evolves are people with common sense, integrity and are honest.
      Downsizing the government has to be a central theme. As long as the Bureaucracy is in place, we are in no better shape, in spite of who gets elected. Remember the federal agencies, departments, commissions, and bureaus operate Outside The Law and the Constitution. For example, if you are charged with a crime, you are Innocent Until Proven Guilty. When dealing with a regulatory agency, department, commission or bureau, you are Guilty First and You Have to Prove Your Innocence, and in the meantime, the Regulatory Agency can destroy you while you fight to defend yourself. Anarchy Prevails in the Federal Bureaucracy, and then this same Tyrnannical Power is Replicated In State and Local Bureaucracies. We have to End the Bureaucracy and the Power of Bureaucrats at every level of government if we are to re-take our country. The TEA Party Movement Must Act Locally in Local Affairs, and at the same time Unite at the Federal Level and Implement the same policies nationally. If you cannot change your Local Government and make them Responsive and Responsible, how do you think you can change the Federal Totalitarian Bureaucracy? Taking back the control of Local Schools is a Great place to start. It only takes uniting parents and encouraging them to defy local school boards, and demand that their children be Taught Academics and leave the rest of the indoctrinations out of the classrooms, especially the National Teacher Unions Political Indoctrination being orchestrated by the U.S. Department of Education.

      All politics is local. How can you change DC if you do not control your local governments?

  • Randy Goeman

    Maybe they can start a draft system forthe people in the House of Representives ; So individuals are drafted for a year to serve in Congress. That could change attitudes!

  • Al Spiker

    I would encourage all people who believe we need drastic change to consider NOT votong for any incumbants. I have always voted republican, but I think the time has come to send some powerful messages. They will never give us an opportunity to see term limits so I suppose we will have to do it ourselves. All things are possible in America!

    • Curtis S

      I understand your collective bitterness (it’s not just you Al, your vote-out-the-incumbents is a mantra here), but voting out ALL incumbents just seems a bit petulant. What will that get you, a congress of rookies who will be two to four years of nothing but mistakes? Doesn’t sound like a great long term solution.

  • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

    “Who watches the watchers”, indeed. It certainly isn’t the mainstream media. Or, as I refer to them as “the ‘Fourth Branch’ of government”. My feeling is that we, Tea Party constitutionalist’s, should register as a member of one of the two major parties where we may then vote in their primaries and thus be a force in selecting candidates who will adhere to our values. If we don’t, all we’ll accomplish is letting others give us what may amount to a series of Hobson’s choices as primary after primary is decided without us. However, If we ever are foolish enough to form a third party (remember ol’ “H” Ross Perot?), we should call it the “American Party”. Our motto? “I’m an American”. (Think of the “I’m the NRA”, “I’m The Army”, etc. identity/advertising slogans.) Whenever, asked or not, speaking in (or writing to, the) public, as either a candidate or ordinary citizen, one could always begin with: “I’m an American”. That would really get the “Progressive’s’ goat. And by that, I mean the media’s as well. They of course, would have to respond with incessant derogatory commentary which would only serve to further galvanize the overwhelming majority of America’s right of center and conservative leaning voters, Republican, Democrat and Independent. “How Sweet It Is”, to quote Jackie Gleason.

    • JOYCE

      The third party is not the answer and to change too much within the system would be tedious . I think what just happened in the last elections has worked and now we are awake and will look into the qualifications of each individual running for office.

      • Fed Up Gal in Nm

        Joyce,

        This would be great, if true. Most are not awake….just sleep walking, unfortunately.

        Fed Up Gal

  • John Galvin

    I am a birthing bagger or a bagging birther. Take your pick. If anybody is interested in the FACTUAL TRUTH,

    • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

      John Galvin, I must ask: Are you related to Frank and Mary P. Galvin? They were my great Aunt and Uncle in New England, lo these many, many years ago. That said: I cannot help but notice that those who use the term ‘Teabaggers” as a vulgar, derogatory reference to those who voluntarily attended “Tea Party” rallies; unwittingly expose what it is they use for dental floss. “If you lay down with …, you’ll get up with … .”

      • eyeswideopen

        Myron, it was your glorious Neil Cauvato on Fox news who used the term “tea baggers”. see link http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520899,00.html
        You can’t critize others for using it when the holy grail did.

        • Allan

          Eyeswideopen points out that Neil Cavuto used the term “tea baggers”. Well, of course he did, in a rebuttal…which should be obvious to anyone who reads it. It was “progressive”, atheist Jeanene Garofalo, who said:

          “Let’s be very honest about what this is about. This is not about bashing Democrats. It’s not about taxes. They have no idea what the Boston Tea Party was about. They don’t know their history at all. It’s about hating a black man in the White House. That is racism straight up. This is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks.”

          So that makes most of the folks on this forum racists, right? The term was gleefully spread by Democrat politicians and “progressives” du jour. “Progressives” know (but won’t acknowledge) that the millions now supportive of the Tea Party movement are expressing a fundamental dissatisfaction and distrust of government, that this has been simmering for some time, and that it is erupting due to policies of the current administration and Congress.

          I invite “progressives” to keep saying, like Garofalo, Pelosi, and others, that the motivation is racism, and to keep the general disrespect and disregard coming. It is helping conservatives at the polls! Thank you in advance.

          • Pathfinder

            What kind of racist am I if I oppose Obama yet support Alan Keyes, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, and JC Watts?

          • DaveH

            Don’t forget Charles Payne.

        • Tinwarble

          Eyes,

          How much more intellectually dishonest can you get. Not everyone that says “teabaggers” is using it in a derogatory manner. Apparently you can’t tell the difference when someone is being sarcastic and the seriousness of someone like your precious Rachel Maddow who has used “Teabaggers” a hundred times to insinuate that the Tea Party people are astroturfing, unamerican, unintelligent rednecks who just hate Obama because of his color. But sense you have never watched Fox and only get your information from the Liberal Media and from the hateful websites like the Huffington Post, I would not expect you to know what honesty is.

          • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

            How “Gay is that?” Fool! (A little Mr. T lingo there.) Any one in this day and age who does not know that “Teabagging” is used to indicate a sexual act widely prevalent in the “Gay” community, didn’t see any connection between the greatly increased practice of oral sex in Junior and High School aged children and the media’s incessant “Reportagé” on the Monica Lewinski(sic) scandal in the late ’90′s. By the way, if repeating something over and over again doesn’t work (i.e.: influence our children), why do companies spend such huge amounts of money on advertising? Hmm?

          • Curtis S

            Myron… “tea bagging” is NOT just for gay sex. It’s a quite hetero-sexual practice too. Sounds like you need better sources or you need to get out more. Maybe you and Mrs. Poltroonian should experiment a little.

          • JeffH

            Tin, if you go back and read most of eyes posts, most everytime she comments and posts a link she has either not fact checked the link or she is so blinded by her hatred for anything center to right she gets it all wrong. She’s like the little kid that found the “fools gold” at the river and thought she struck it rich. It’s to a point now that whatever she says comes with a warning sign that reads “stuck foot in mouth”.

          • David Hall

            Well, Myron J. let me step in, and learn something. You say Teabagging is a slang for a gay sex act. I guess, I’m way, way TO STRAIGHT, Red-neck, Hill-billy to have ever learned that in my whole life. I guess, birds of a feather, flock together. What’s a Family-size Tea Bag mean? Damn-It-Boy!

    • Pathfinder

      Hi John:
      Don’t let the libs stick such ugly labels on you. As for me I think they invent these unattractive names so the don’t have to call us what we really are: CONSTITUTIONALISTS. Obama’s place of birth would not matter to me if the constitution did not require a person to be native born to hold the office of president. Likewise, my objections to the size and expense of the current government; based on constitutional objections, not racism. Thus my insistence on a name that accurately describes us; CONSTITUTIONALISTS.

  • Wade Sheel

    I have gone back and looked at the GDP and the jobless charts; it is interesting to note the changes. Over the past few years the jobless rate was moving along at 5.0, 4.7, 5.2, and then, in 2007 it starts inching up. And by the time you get to the end of 2008, it’s almost going straight up to 10%. It is also interesting to note that the single biggest month for job loss since 1974 was in November 2008 (Obama’s election).

    With the 2007 GDP, if you look at the same time period, you will start to see it come down shortly after the start of 2007. That happens to coincide when the Democrats took control of Congress. Could it be that businesses know that taxes and increased spending are inevitable with a Democrat congress?

    As we all know, Congress controls the purse strings. The voters of are waking up to this fact. Take this into account as you vote. Do not vote for anyone that will increase government and considers raising taxes. I suggest that you look at candidates intent on cutting government entitlements and expansion, and who will instead concentrate on decreasing government regulation to allow the private sector to right this careening ship.

    • eyeswideopen

      Wade, if you think the problems started in 2007 and in one year caused the fiscal clamity you are not using logic. It took years of spending without any funding to cause these problems, just think Medicare Advantage was also passed without funding and it cost 800Billion. We also cut taxes while declaring two wars. Check our history,that was the first time we have been at war and cut taxes.How did you and the Rest of the Conservatives think those wars were going to be paid for? You can’t go from a 200Billion surplus to a 1.3 trillion deficit with responsible spending. Check who was in control from 1995 to 2007 and then make that statement about the Dem’s.

      • DaveH

        People work harder and take more risks (to secure more rewards) when the tax rates are low. So, the Government actually gets more revenues with lower rates.
        However, for sure it would be better to cut the spending as well as cutting the taxes. Government has rarely spent our money wisely. As an example, now many people do you know that would willingly pay for the services that Government provides?

        • DaveH

          That should be “How many people…..”

      • Tinwarble

        Eyes,

        Apparently you need a lesson about the decrease in tax cuts and the increase in tax revenue.
        http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/wm327.cfm

        Also, that “Medicare Advantage” that you like to harp about so much, so why after a year in office has Obama not done anything to fund or do away with that very popular program.

        Also, apparently you don’t know your history either, while technical we have never gone to war and cut taxes, you statement that we have never “been at war & cut taxes” is wrong. In 1964, during the ramp up of the Vietnam War, Kennedy cut taxes. And you don’t mention that at the time of the Bush tax cuts we were in a jobless recovery and recession and most Economist would agree that raising taxes would fuel the recession. Nor do you mention that Obama had $282 billion over 2 yrs. in tax cuts in the stimulus bill (still during war time) or that Obama has not raised taxes to pay for the war in Afghanistan.

        And you assertion about having a surplus under Clinton is also false, since we have not had an actual “Balanced Budget” since Andrew Jackson was President. At the end of the fiscal year of 2000 (ending 9-30-00) the actual National Debt was about 5.6 trillion dollars, see here: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm the so called “SURPLUS” is only government only how the government calculates the debt, no what the actual debt is.

        • Tinwarble

          That last line is suppose to be, “is only how the government calculates the debt, not the actual debt”. I slipped on the ice the other day and hurt my hand, now it’s hard to type.

          • Pathfinder

            Tinwarble:
            We are all human and can make mistakes. I hope that your hand heals quickly. Best wishes.

        • Curtis S

          Kennedy cut taxes in 1964? Wasn’t he assassinated in 1963?

        • JeffH

          Tin, just a little reminder that LBJ was the president in ’64.

    • eyeswideopen

      Wadw, your comment”we all know Congress controls the purse strings” is correct. To see who was controling the strings go to: http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm
      Then you can admit that the Repubs had the control and drove the bus off the road. It is pretty clear that the Repubs got control in 1995 and the Dem’s were innagurated into office in 2007.

      • Wade Sheel

        eyes, I find it amusing that you assume I am supporting Republican ideals or decrying Democrats. I do not think I mentioned “Republican” anywhere in my orignal statement. You inserted Republican. I also have to laugh at your obvious liberal bend. A fact is a fact. Now we can go back 10, 20 or 50 years to prove any point as to which party is “responsible” for our current “mess”. My point was simple (unless you want to look with rose colored glasses), war or no war cutting taxes has “always” led to increased revenue through growth. The private sector will “always” clam up when threatened with higher taxes. The government cannot EVER create jobs (and, therefore tax revenue). The government provides services by taking from a producer (tax payer) and giving it to someone else. I expect my government to provide police, fire, military, etc. But, I do not expect the government to give me a place to live, food to eat and retirement. Yeah, you can “pick apart” my statement. But, I do not want more from the federal gov more than what is constitutionally allowed, and let me and my state decide the rest.

        • JeffH

          Wade Sheel, eyes is a parrot, that is the only way she can express herself. I’m beggining to believe Pelosi has some competition to see who gets into the nuthouse first.

          • Wade

            Thanks Jeff…counldn’t have said it better myself!

      • eyeswideopen

        Wade, where did I say you were a Republican? I said you can’t admit that the Repubs had control. Which they did. Can’t argue with the facts. If anything, I alluded to you being a Conservative.

  • Ernie

    And that in-fighting and lack of cohesion is exactly what the Dems/Progressives are hoping for. If the Conservative base in this country can’t congeal and understand that we may not agree on 100% of the issues, we’re doomed to failure. Which will mean more of the same in DC … Any step toward a return to Constitutionally-based government is a plus for America.

  • Anita Elicano

    Do not believe what the Obama administration wants you to
    believe. They would like us to go away, but just remember
    what the original Tea Party was all about. We have strength
    in numbers. The regular media will not support us either, only
    Fox News. Just remember the goal, our Constitution.

  • eagle

    Remember that this government can only control small divided groups and a large group with a common goal would be a force to be reckoned with. There are other parties that share many common goals, Liberatarion and Constitution Parties come to mind. If these would unite with the TEA Party as one, The American Party would seem appropriate, that could become such a force. Some compromise from each to reach the goal of ridding this country of government intervention and corruption would be a small sacrifice.

    • Pathfinder

      Eagle, great idea. If only we can get the various third parties to unite. (Don’t think there is much chance that the Green Party will join us though.) Although it has been said that trying to get conservatives to all work for the same goal is like herding cats. There are enough points of agreement that we could finally escape the strangle hold which the R’s and D’s have on our political system.

      I have heard it said that we don’t need a third party, just a good second party. In a way, I agree with that statement. However, the Republicans are NOT that second party. They are the Democrat light version. Thus we do need to form a real second party.

      Right now the Libertarians are the largest of all contenders for that place. However, some of the party’s positions are holding us back. I would love to see some improvement in the Libertarian position regarding our boarder. Somehow we must start giving the voters alternatives to the R’s and D’s.

      Lastly, my thanks for your interesting post.

      • DaveH

        Pathfinder,
        That is one I have wrestled with in the past (illegal immigration and the Libertarian Party) as I know they are in favor of easy immigration, but have never really investigated their stance on “illegal” immigration. Maybe this article will help:
        http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6599

        Remember though, that immigration made this country great. Most of the Mexican immigrants I have known work much harder than most Americans. And they are people too. I don’t condone illegal immigration, but I think it should be easier for them to enter the country legally.

  • http://mbc113@comcast.net Linda Lytle

    We need to stop bickering about convention vs no convention. A convention or meeting is to bounce ideas, unite, organize grassroot ideas and show support for our constitution to fight for our freedom. Not start a new party. Don’t knock Palin esp. if you don’t know if she’s getting paid or not. Or what she plans to do with money if she is getting paid. She’s proven she will stand up for whats right whether its her own party or not that’s doing wrong. By starting to pick at her we are playing into the librals hands. They’d like nothing better. Besides she has said, it isn’t prudent to start a new party but to support and get conservative candidates to run.
    Those who can go to the meeting or convention to rally and get ideas then take that spirit and ideas back to your own small towns. keep up good work tea party. A few months ago, I was sure we would loose our country and freedom and now there is hope.
    Thank God and God please bless America!!

  • D. Albert Sr

    I wholeheartedly agree with Robert, the first poster. If the convention needs some common sense leadership to maintain the rising influence the Tea Party has on federal,local and state governments, I would like to have seven or nine members at the convention act to reconcile any differences that could stall the free thought and result in a convention the American people would laugh at. We want a true representative republic–free of self serving representatives sent to Washington who soon forget the majority views in their district or state they represent. The government is out of control with representatives at even the city level doing what they want to and not listening to their constituents.
    REVIVE the COSTITUTION

    REVIVE THE CONSTI

  • Frank

    It’s sad for whatever happened to the person who would run for office because he wanted to make a difference? Now people run to make money. They will say anything to be voted in, but once in they adhere to the Washington ways of politicing.
    Until money is removed from the equation no matter how many grass roots organizations start, they will always end up as the Dems and Re. have. Money is all they hear, truth is falling on deaf ears, and means nothing unless it’s backed up with money. Isn’t that sad. I say lets be a nation to ourselves and get put on the ballots in 2010, NONE OF THE ABOVE. If more vote for none of the above then those seats that are up for renewal become empty and all of government closes down indefinitely. STop paying taxes and that would send a shot heard around the world.

    Tell them we don’t pay taxes until the American people are paid back for what our governments already stolen before we even make it.

    Good luck to you all

  • Robert

    The people who attended the Town Hall meetings to voice their frustrations I would suspect also attended Tea Party events since most of their elected politicians treated them like dirt. There is no talk about organizing or having a convention for those who attended the Town Hall meetings so why hold one as a Tea Party convention? Those who attended both these events will not loose their focus on what was important to them and what their frustrations with government are. They don’t need a convention or someone to organize them. They’ll all be doing the right thing this November. I know I will and there has been absolutely no sign from Washington that they believe we count. Soon summer will be upon us and those chumps in Washington will be hitting the campaign trail and then they will put on their phony faces and give us their phony promises. All the freeloaders will come out to support them. As long as the majority of us hard working, tax paying and patriotic Americans vote, we won’t have to put up with them much longer. And I surely dont need an expensive convention to organize me to go out and vote.

  • BonnieMW

    I think the basics of the Tea Party are good but more needs to be done and fast. In Oregon we passed a tax to tax businesses on Gross Sales. That is financial suicide. I had 3 people come to my door promoting the tax but no one against the tax. I know several people who voted for it because adds were so deceptive and the bill was so confusing. Most people who voted for it didn’t really understand it
    they thought they were only taxing the rich. They did not understand this tax hurt the small business the most because they set a cap on the amount of tax so the bigger the business the less it was effected in most cases. You get taxed even if you are not making a profit.

    I didn’t listen to whom I thought were eccentrics or extremist who said the present administration is trying to get rid of all small to medium businesses because they are the strength of our nation. Believe me they are telling the truth. I am being harassed daily by the IRS. Three audits at once. They won’t give back the refund owed they will audit until they owe nothing.

  • BonnieMW

    I think a new party should not be formed at this time only after we get the Republicans back in office. We should not separate our support. I do not consider myself Republican or Democrate but at the
    present we have to get the Democrates out of office and as quick as possible before they completely destroy our nation.

    • Pathfinder

      If all you do is replace Democrat, socialist dictators with Republican, socialist dictators; how will there be any REAL change? The RINO’s are going to borrow and spend rather than tax and spend. In the end your rights will still be gone, along with any material prosperity you had hoped to build. DON’T BE FOOLED AGAIN!! The RINO’s waqnt your vote; but they will not uphold the constitution any better than the Democrats did. It is time to get some candidates who WILL uphold the constitution: NO EXCEPTIONS, NO EXCUSES.

      • greyhawk

        Ditto Pathfinder. Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb politics is what we have had for far too long now. I am a States’ Rights Independent, and it is time that States and Local Communities take back the power vested to them in the U.S. constitution. The Feds have ruled by Blackmail for far too long. This works in the following way: “The Feds say, ‘enforce 55 MPH speed laws, or We, the Feds will withhold DOT funds to your state.’ This kind of Rule By Blackmail started with LBJ and has grown worse every year and nobody challenges these Black Mail Tactics. Somewhere along the line, we started believing as a nation, that the Federal Government Is All Powerful, and nobody, and no state has challenged their Authority to do this since Governor George C. Wallace of Alabama, challenged them. And, Geoge C. Wallace also was the first National Independent who Challenged both parties and called them Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum and said, “there is not a dime’s worth of difference between the two parties.” George Wallace was right, and for the record, George Wallace was not a racist. The Mainstream Media and Hollywood and many politicians of both parties labeled him in this way to Destroy his Credibility nationally, but folks who knew him knew better, and eventually, most of the nation was listening to him as well. That is why he wound up being gunned down. He was seriously challenging the Entrenched Political Parties, and both Parties, Dems and Repubs, hated him, and wanted him silenced.

        We need a George Wallace Today. A man of conviction and integrity. And, by the way, 80 percent of blacks in Alabama voted for Wallace time and time again because they knew who he was and they knew he was not a racist and that he looked after the rights of all citizens in the state of Alabama. George Wallace was a Constitutionalist and Was Trying to Enforce the 10th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution which Puts most of the power into the hands of Individual States and Communities, which is the way our Fore Fathers intended. We have sat back and allowed the Federal Government to turn the Constitution Upside Down, and now all Power is Consolidated into the Central Government, and nobody ever challenges this assertion any longer.

        Well, that ought to be the focus of Tea Party Movement. Home Rule and State Rule and Righting the Great Ship, U.S. Constitution. We have become a people who Are Subservient to the National Government instead of Expecting The NAtional Government Serve and Represent We, The People. We have to stop Asking the Feds to do their jobs and Demand it. Also, we need to Take Back our Local Schools, and not wait for the Feds to Give Us Permission. Our children are our responsibility, and we should not entrust them to schools being controlled by Washington DC bureaucrats who, for the most part, are Subversives from the National Teacher Unions. If we cannot and will not take back our children and their schools, what makes you think that we can change the Federal Government???

        • Pathfinder

          Greyhawk, thank you.

          Speaking of racism, why did the liberals fail to support Alan Keyes back in 1996? I contributed to Alan Keyes campaign during the primaries back then. Now, when I do not support Obama, they want to call me a racist. Those guys are 12 years too late. We could have had a genuine black president back in 96; not some halfrican, imposter from Kenya, as we do now. Lastly, why are black conservatives (Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, and J C Watts) looked on with such disdain by liberals? Could it be that it is the left who are the true racists here?

          Regarding the schools: there is no constitutional authority for the federal government to be involved in education. Just in case you have not already heard of them; you might be interested in the Alliance for the Seperation of School and State. I recommend them highly.

          Guess that is all for now. My best wishes to you and yours.

          • greyhawk

            Thanks Pathfinder–I will check that organization out. Also, I am with you on Allen Keyes. I too support this guy. As for Williams, Keyes and other black conservatives, the reason that the Liberals and especially the black Race Hustlers, hate them is that they are not ignorant and they refuse to Drink the Liberal Kool Aid.

            And, educated black conservatives are looked on by the liberals as a threat, because the liberals depend on keeping people down, dumbed down, ingorant, illiterate and therefore Dependent On Govenment. The Liberals know that if the Masses are Well Educated and Learn History, that they will become Independent and Hardworking Tax Payers and Property Owners, and will not Embrace The Re-Distribution Messages and Higher Taxes if they, too become prosperous taxpayers. The liberals have purposely dumbed down and brainwashed the citizenry in creating Voting Blocs while keeping the Illiterate and Ignorant masses on the Government Plantations.

            Walter Williams, Allen Keyes, and others of their ilk are especially hated by the Race Hustlers like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farakhan, Oprah Winfrey and others of the Elitist Race Hustlers who make their living on keeping Racial Strife in the forefront, even when they have to go out and Stir Things up and Pour Fuel on Fires. Without lies and deceit and the aid of Liberal Politicians and the MSM, the Race Hustlers would be out of business.

            Remember, guys like Jesse Jackson, like Obama, has never had a real job in his entire life. He makes his living stirring up trouble and teaching and creating class and race envy and hatred. These folks want to keep blacks down, dumbed down, ignorant, illiterate and dependent of the government who owns and operates the Planatation. And, of course, the Plantation is also made up of Illiterate and Ignorant Whites and Others who have also been dumbed down and brainwashed. The Liberals are forever Creating and Grooming Victims and then Creating Government Agencies, Departments, Commissions, and Bureaus to Deal with The Problems that Government Creates. And, then they Tax the Rest of Us To Death to pay for the operation of the Bureaucracy, and the band plays on and on.

  • D. Albert Sr

    Robert at 9:13 PM

    I agree with you

  • HHH

    Linda Lytlle befits her name…. lytle mind lytle thoughts…….. who amongst you think that anything you say or claim you are capable of doing will ever be successful in your rhetoric???

  • Common Cents

    Tea Party movement was just like the Paul Revere ride, waking up the populace of the coming invasion of Progressive anarchists who are out to usurp our God Given freedom. These oppressors will pay heartily at the ballot box but we also need tea party legislation to become the law of the land and that means voting in Tea party supporting candidates.

  • Ron Teidel

    I read Shirley’s email to TPN members of which I am one. I must have read the abridged version. “Blistering attack”? I thought it was defensive, but then it seems the logical thing to do after months of offensive attacks. I remember shooting off an email asking Darla of ResistNet why we were not hearing more from TPN. My read on this whole thing is sour grapes, envy, and foolishness! I also believe there is tea party opposition fed fuel as well as media making this a bigger story than really exists.

    I’m not taking any sides here, so it allows me to share my thoughts without guarding them. Shame on anyone involved in this Tea Party Movement that is trying to turn this into a vehicle for selfish gain for you have reduced yourself to the scum of the earth! Why stop at this worthy cause to set up shop why not move onto greater fortune by diverting aid to Haiti for resale! Just the thought that this problem would surface publicly sickens me.

    I don’t approve of any entity that represents themselves as a bonafide spokesperson for the Tea Party Movement organizing under anything other than a NOT-FOR-PROFIT structure. If that offends TPN then so be it. If it offends any of the ancillary groups that have sprung up that latch on to the Tea Party Movement for financial gain in the name of patriotism, I offer no apology.

    A year ago it would not have taken a world renowned speculator to recognize how big this Tea Party Movement was going to become, and certainly by Tax Day it was proven. In June, I began expressing my concerns in comments and in blogs about the need to be diligent in how this Tea Party Movement handled the recognition and the coordination of it’s direction. The beauty of this movement, and always will be I might add, are the local roots of it. The hundreds of tea party and patriotic sites on the internet, Facebook and Twitter all fired up about what they can do for our great country, is inspirational. Our founding fathers, who asked for nothing in return for their patriotism, would be proud of us. We all need to continue to embrace what makes this Tea Party Movement great, the continued vision of our founding fathers and the Constitution.

    I wish nothing less than overwhelming success for The Tea Party National Convention because it will be a representation of the Tea Party Movement. The Tea Party Movement does not require a national convention to show its strength. It’s strength is defined by the mom and her daughter with sign in hand standing on the street corner in Independence Missouri, or the crowd huddled under umbrellas in the rain outside the fence at the White House. We don’t need paid speakers to tell our story or hear our pleas. Who better represents our cause than the father from Detroit who has been out of work for more than a year, but has the hope and faith that by making his voice heard with a tear in his eye something will happen, soon.

    I appeal to all patriots that loyally follow and support the Tea Party Movement to not let any infighting, no matter who or where it comes from, detract from the noble purpose of what we represent. We are much bigger than any part and cannot allow ourselves to be drawn into the fruitless divisions of a few who have allowed themselves to become larger than the cause.

    • greyhawk

      Great Post and Right On Spot, Ron:

      Ditto Pathfinder. Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb politics is what we have had for far too long now. I am a States’ Rights Independent, and it is time that States and Local Communities take back the power vested to them in the U.S. constitution. The Feds have ruled by Blackmail for far too long. This works in the following way: “The Feds say, ‘enforce 55 MPH speed laws, or We, the Feds will withhold DOT funds to your state.’ This kind of Rule By Blackmail started with LBJ and has grown worse every year and nobody challenges these Black Mail Tactics. Somewhere along the line, we started believing as a nation, that the Federal Government Is All Powerful, and nobody, and no state has challenged their Authority to do this since Governor George C. Wallace of Alabama, challenged them. And, Geoge C. Wallace also was the first National Independent who Challenged both parties and called them Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum and said, “there is not a dime’s worth of difference between the two parties.” George Wallace was right, and for the record, George Wallace was not a racist. The Mainstream Media and Hollywood and many politicians of both parties labeled him in this way to Destroy his Credibility nationally, but folks who knew him knew better, and eventually, most of the nation was listening to him as well. That is why he wound up being gunned down. He was seriously challenging the Entrenched Political Parties, and both Parties, Dems and Repubs, hated him, and wanted him silenced.

      We need a George Wallace Today. A man of conviction and integrity. And, by the way, 80 percent of blacks in Alabama voted for Wallace time and time again because they knew who he was and they knew he was not a racist and that he looked after the rights of all citizens in the state of Alabama. George Wallace was a Constitutionalist and Was Trying to Enforce the 10th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution which Puts most of the power into the hands of Individual States and Communities, which is the way our Fore Fathers intended. We have sat back and allowed the Federal Government to turn the Constitution Upside Down, and now all Power is Consolidated into the Central Government, and nobody ever challenges this assertion any longer.

      Well, that ought to be the focus of Tea Party Movement. Home Rule and State Rule and Righting the Great Ship, U.S. Constitution. We have become a people who Are Subservient to the National Government instead of Expecting The NAtional Government Serve and Represent We, The People. We have to stop Asking the Feds to do their jobs and Demand it. Also, we need to Take Back our Local Schools, and not wait for the Feds to Give Us Permission. Our children are our responsibility, and we should not entrust them to schools being controlled by Washington DC bureaucrats who, for the most part, are Subversives from the National Teacher Unions. If we cannot and will not take back our children and their schools, what makes you think that we can change the Federal Government???

  • Eric MacLean

    I believe that the glue of the tea party itself, is a set of ideals: Conservatism, less government intervention, bloated government and overspending. A common belief of members that the constitution is not being upheld by the people that we place in elected positions.
    Therefore, would it not make sense to try to solidify this movement by organizing and trying to get the existing Republican party to adopt the planks of our movement rather then trying to re-invent the wheel?

    • Pathfinder

      I think that part of the problem IS the republican party itself. It is time to kill the republican party (figuratively, do NOT murder republicans) and obtain a REAL second party, not just an echo of the democrats. Remember that George Bush increased spending and violated the constitution too: as did Bill Clinton before him. The time has come for some real change, not just a choice between evil twins Republican and Democrat.

  • Don

    Forget all the labels…The movement is about issues that need to be addressed and solved before it is too late to do so!

    As we are all commenting on parties, religion, factions, etc., our nation is weeks, if not days, from a complete economic collapse.

    We have been bombarded with issue after issue until we are now discussing everything, except the one issue that needs to be addressed…and in failing to do so, are now entering, what I believe to be the final stages of a masterfully planned and executed economic war.

    But to keep it in context, it doesn’t make any difference as to who, or whatever has caused us to find ourselves in the position, whether it’s a planned conspiracy, a political movement, or just plain poor choices, we are are the edge of a collapse and must make some very immediate decisions as how we are going to prevent it from happening.

    We have precious little time to act. So let’s focus our time, energy and resources into putting the necessary defenses and safeguards into place.

    The potential for the following events to occur are very likely, so likely that they can’t be ignored. Without getting into specifics, when interest rates begin to rise (which the must), property values will begin to fall and the financial melt down will continue where it left off (as it has never been solved, only temporarily patched).

    The result…real estate values will drop another 30% to 50% or more, equities will be wiped out. The banks will again become insolvent, taking with them the excess savings that exceeds the FDIC Insurance coverage, and the stock market will correspondingly drop drastically diminishing what remains of capital held by the American people. We will be a bankrupt nation. values will continue to fall….the higher the rates go, the lower the values will become. Soon practically every real estate borrower will be up side down on their loans andof no equity positions. One raise in the interest rates, with a corresponding drop in the marwhen the interest rates are increasedeven the newest ones created will knows that when the interest rates increase, which they must, that the real estate market values will correspondingly drop. Each increase will most likely another 30% t 50% or more, leaving most borrowers drop substantially and practically all real estate loans will be up-side-down, the remaining banks collapse taking your last saving with them, the stock loses all of its recent gains and what is left of your assets are vaporized, and the final touch…Gas prices increase to the point that your are immobilized! CAN’T YOU ALL SEE THAT WE ARE ENTERING THE FINAL STAGES OF A MASTERFULLY PLANNED AND EXECUTED ECONOMIC WAR? We have a very limited time to design a nationwide safety net to prevent absolute chaos and anarchy. The Tea Party Network is our last hope to form a a top down support plan, ranging from a central national committee, to state, to local groups for communication and implementation of plans. There must be a national freeze on interest rates on loans keeping them solvent and giving the borrowers the ability to meet their continued payments without the threat of losing their property which will cause a meltdown of the real estate market, a back up support system needs to be created that will allow for, if necessary, an alternate monetary system (barter, script) with a cohesive redemption system, a plan to maintain order by continuing to perform jobs and services that are needed such as medical, utility services, etc…whereby order can be maintained without panic. That’s what this movement is about. Once we complete our safety net, we can then again discuss the less

  • Pathfinder

    The Republican party is trying to captyre the TEA party movement. If the republicans were honest; they would replace the elephant with a RINO. The republicans are every bit as much big spending, big government liberals as the democrats. Choosing between a democrat and a republican and a democrat, is like choosing between Trotsky and Lenin; just two different types of communist. The recent election in Mass is a good example. While I am relieved that Scott Brown will now play a role in stopping Obamacare; he is a big spending, big government RINO and is likely to give us a Republican version of socialized medicine. If this is an example of the kind of candidates the republicans intend to offer us in November; then the only thing that will change in DC will be thee letters behind the names of the socialists ruleing us. THAT IS NOT GOING TO GET MY VOTE. I am tired of being fooled by a party that wants my conservative vote; but is unwilling to enact conservative legislation. One example would be REAL spending cuts rather than just raising spending less than the democrats want it raised.

  • Pathfinder

    It appears that I made some typos in my post. For example “captyre” should be “capture”. You will notice that “y” is adjacent to the letter “u” on the keyboard. Please forgive these slips of the fingers.

    • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

      Pathfinder, I unnastans m’sef. I’m sometimes known as ol’ “Slippery fingers” when it comes to typing my missives as well. I, however, usually use the “always reliable Spell Check” applet to keep the grammatical carnage to a minimum.

  • Termite75

    As a Tea Party attendee, I came away thinking the intent of the movement was to identify the conservative candidate whose intentions,if elected,reflected our way of thinking.Candidates endorsed by the Tea party movement should be required to make a public pledge to:
    1.Request no earmarks and vote against same.
    2.Make lowering taxes for business and individuals a priority.
    3.Reduce the size of ALL government,except our Military.
    4.Strengthen our Military in all areas.
    5.Reinforce our border security on ALL borders including seaports,land
    and airports.
    6.Crack down on ILLEGAL immigration as it is ILLEGAL.
    7.Support legislation on Tort Reform & Open insurance across State lines to a National coverage.
    8.Get GOVERNMENTS nose out of private enterprise, let them run their own business.
    Find some who will sign a pledge to do these things and we’ll have someone to elect regardless of their”Party affiliation”.If they don’t perform as pledged, they get BOOTED OUT at the next election.

    • Mixed Fruit

      And, that my friends is what this is all about!

  • http://firefox david

    the tea party is a coalition of multi – patriotic groups with a common agenda;; overthrow this Marxist admin.

  • http://firefox david

    Libs think because they need a messiah to lead their dillusional rhoids conservatives must be the same way;; wrong we are a conservative group of intellectuals who are not influenced by anyone until it becomes practical to take back our gov.

  • http://firefox david

    If anyone has ever experienced a living creature facing death, you know it never gives up without a horrific fight;; obama and his Marxists are going to fight like the devil because we are shutting off their oxygen,exposing them one lie at a time.

  • http://firefox david

    Just as conservatives have exposed Al Gore’s global climate hoax so will we expose obama and his admin’s agenda to communize America into another Venezuela. this man is a Marxist as is Jeramiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Mark Lloyd, Van Jones, Anita Dunn, Andy Stearn, Valerie Jarrett and more. obama’S accomplices are CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CNN NPR.

    • greyhawk

      Ditto David. Nuff said. Thanks.

    • Mixed Fruit

      Have you been watching the riots going on in Ven? Apparently the masses are not happy with no water for two days a week and rolling blackouts…or, maybe the debt and lack of jobs…hmmm…I was going to move to that liberal eutopia, but then again, maybe not…

  • http://windowslive BILL MILLER

    The Government just passed a 30 billion dollar loan to small bankers to help small businesses.Why??, Isn’t it a little to late?.If we cannot pay,the same Government sends the court and authority to take our properties and what little we have left and give it to the bankers. The bankers risk nothing because it was our money in the first place! Cash for clunkers would have helped small businesses if the parts we’re aloud to be sold but yet we we’re blocked. Democrat,Republican, and Independent voters who have wondered why politicians always spend more tax money than they take in should now wise up and see the reason. These politicians are not the agents of the people but are the agents of the bankers,for whom they plan ways to place WE THE PEOPLE further in debt. Sarah Palin is on top of the Governments scheme and she will unfold the truth but WE THE PEOPLE need to support her if she decides to take the job.Why didn’t the Government help the small bankers before they rushed to Freddie Mac !?!. I see a RED FLAG and I don’t trust it.Sounds like another credit card deal that bankers came up with ,with the Governments ingenious approval where the bankers collect 2 to 6% of every retail sale from the seller and 18 to 20% Interest fom buyers.We all know the plastic card to well and we don’t need to be fooled again. The more WE THE PEOPLE talk and communicate to-gether the stronger in faith we will become.It’s always been there.

    • Mixed Fruit

      jeeze…small businesses do not need loans, they need customers…wow, what a concept.

  • http://teapartyreply chinook

    tea party members should NOT be having a lobster dinner convention at a 5 star hotel…..the person that suggested it should be investigated…..this would be fodder for the Dems.

  • http://windowslive BILL MILLER

    Chinook, I agree and many of us that donates to a good cause isn’t going to be very happy if thier money is going to lavishing.We are struggeling as it is.This is the first I have heard about such unethical spending in a time like this.

  • LindyMaeUSA

    Well Bob, I just read about the “Tea Party Covention” and was instantly “disheartened!” :-(

    OK, why do WE need to “duplicate” the extravagant excesses and self-indulgement of the two parties we’ve been complaining about for such a long time?

    Correct me if I’m wrong (Tinwarble or DaveH, etc.) but it sure sounds like an “infiltrator” got to the TPM organizers, “smooth-talking” them into thinking “a big bash” is “what WE NEED to keep interest and financial participation going for the Movement.”

    Hello? Tea Party Movement? “WHAT were you thinking?? . . . Oh, I see: You WEREN’T thinking!

    I can just visualize the Reps and Dems laughing up their sleeves when they heard about the Convention, saying: “Well, we got ‘em!…if they keep imitating OUR habits of exorbitant, unnecessary spending, the Tea Party Movement is gonna’ be “dead in the water” real soon, just like we planned!”

    About the Sarah Palin “Speaking” issue? Will somebody who knows the truth “set the record straight” whether she’s getting $100,000. or not to speak at that event? Secondarily, was the money “offered” or did she “quote her fee?”

    From my perspective and IF she’s accepting or asking for that kind of money for such an event, Sarah’s “American Patriot” credibility went right down the toilet, whether she “says” she’ll re-contribute the money back to TPM or not!

    People say LOTS of things they don’t do just to make them “look good” to the public, exactly the same as this government does! Right?

    If I were in the same “celebrity” position and the TPM offered me money to speak, I’d say: “Just pay my expenses (flight, hotel, food, taxi) because that’s all I need since my book sales have brought and continue to bring in millions!

    Nothing personal, Sarah, because I don’t even know you but concerning “what people say they’ll do?” I refer to JESUS’ admonition: “Ye shall KNOW THEM by their fruits” Matthew 7:16 (fruits: what people DO, not what they SAY!)

    Lastly: News of this “Convention” has definitely altered my previous zeal and momentum toward “any future contributions or participation” in the Tea Party Movement until the organizers return to the grass roots ideology and activities which drove them to form this movement in the first place.

  • LindyMaeUSA

    “The PEOPLE…are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.” ~Thomas Jefferson.

    • JeffH

      Good post.

  • LindyMaeUSA

    Bill Miller,

    Quoting some of what you wrote: “If we cannot pay, the same Government sends the court and authority to take our properties and what little we have left and give it to the bankers. The BANKERS RISK NOTHING because it was OUR money in the first place!”

    I recognize your quote as the same insidious methodology used and elaborated upon in John Perkins book: “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.”

    According to Perkins’ testimony: This government has been using the same evil procedures for years to financially and economically destroy countless countries all over the world but saving “the best, the greatest, the richest Country for last!” Having been given the “signal” by the “shadow government, the mega-billionaire bankers have turned their guns of econimic destruction on America!

    “Timid men (politically correct) prefer the calm of despotism, to the tempestuous sea of liberty.” ~Thomas Jefferson

  • david luciani

    hi,
    i have to disagree with pundiots who are saying the tea party is slowing down and dis-organized.
    what they don’t understand is the power of the internet.
    with the internet we can get people with similar goals together without a big organization.
    sure we lack a campaign position because we aren’t campaigning.
    We are supporting people that aren’t in the government now who are willing to undo the harm the current parties both DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS have done to our country.
    SO ignore the naysayers and remember that as a country we’ve never been in total agreement with each other.
    but We The People can compromise and get the greatest good for the most people.
    this is best done by making the elitists in Washington unemployed and looking for a job.
    dave

  • Rick Starns

    I do agree with a few of these post, I don’t think we need a convention, doing that we’ll be like all the rest.I do think there ought to be a limit on the terms in the Senate and Congress. I’m 73 years old, yes old, not years of age. I can’t remember all the things I could before, so I really wonder how effective they be. They have all made their fortunes off the taxpayers while we struggle. It is time for a change, but not the one Obama wants. Lets stay with Tea Party concept.

    • Meteorlady

      You are the Tea Party. I’m the Tea Party. As long as we reject what the government is trying to do to us, as long as we fight for our money back, as long as we fight for ethics and integrity in government, we are the Tea Party. I don’t really thing with the Internet we need to have leaders and organizers, we need to have a network of people that exchange ideas and exchange their research with each other.

  • http://Keeperofoddknowledge.blogspot.com Andrew33

    I am reading much here about how “the tea party should do this or that, or should not do this or that. The fact is that every state is different with different election laws and different ways of doing things. The attitude that everyone in every state should do what you or I think is best is what led to the movement to begin with. Here in Florid, with our “closed primary” election system, independents basically cannot vote in primaries so what we on a local scale are doing is hijacking one of the 2 mail parties on a local scale (in our case it’s the Republicans) and then working our way up. We have an absolute scumbag governor who’s is scared to death of us and for good reason. I have personally become a member of the State version of the RNC, despite being a lifelong independent so that “tea party/912″ candidates have support from inside. We have already forced out the head of the state Republican Exec. Committee as well as several of his croneys in the Governors’ staff. We using what happened in Nevada as an example. This has also happened in NV, within their Republican party, but is happening in other states within the Dem party. My point here is, you cannot go telling everybody what to do or how to do it. The goal is, to get some of our people elected first, then once our people are inside, then we take the next step such as caucasing, or even forming a 3rd party but the election laws in every state are different so we cant just tell everyone what to do because every state and their laws are different. The one goal I believe we should share (for now) is working within the system until that option becomes no longer viable. If you want to discuss this further with me, my (actually the blog I co-host) is called Kook’s Manifesto. (Keeperofoddknowledge.blogspot.com) Anyone and everyone is invited to come have a say. and we are from different parts of the country so you won’t feel left out!!!!

    • Meteorlady

      Sweet – you figured out the game and play it well. Thanks for the information. I’m going to study up on election laws in this state.

  • Meteorlady

    The Tea Party movement was a grass roots thing. It was never intended that we would support the opportunist that swoop in and try and get control, or the Republicans hitting on us like we are working the streets. While I believe if we really want a third party that’s viable, we do need some type of leadership. That leadership must be agreed to by all the people they profess to represent. They must adhere to the goals or the people that they represent. Unless that happens, they are doomed as we are not only smarter about politics than we were, we are getting more and more educated about what really goes on. I think getting involved at the local level and the state level work better than trying to tackle the big picture right now. It’s not that we can’t write our congressional delegates, it’s that they don’t feel they have to listen to us anymore. So, at least on the local level, you can talk and discuss ideas and goals with someone real.

  • eagle

    Meteorlady and many others are correct in my veiw. Many voters say that they will vote for the lesser of two evils and not waste their vote on a third party candidate. The lesser of two evils is still evil and therefore a wasted vote. Many voters now more than ever realize this. Third party candidates have been elected. Joe Liberman and Jessie Ventura (Independants)are a couple recent examples. Voters will support a strong candidate from a party with a platform that fits their values. The timing has never been better and both major parties are concerned about losing control. Lets get together and take it to them now.

  • http://www.melantotan-maverick.com Melanotan II

    I am very glad to see that you are putting so much of effort for encouraging the readers with valueable posts like this, I have sent this post to my myspaceaccounts.

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