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Is The Safety Of The State Really Worth More Than The Truth?

July 16, 2013 by  

Is The Safety Of The State Really Worth More Than The Truth?
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It’s a strange and terrible tragedy when a culture forgets its own history and identity. It is even more tragic when that culture becomes deluded enough to think it can replace its heritage from scratch, that it can conjure political and social reformations out of thin air and abandon the centuries upon centuries of accomplishment and failures of generations past. To think that one can live without the lessons and principles of one’s ancestors is a disease — a mental disorder of the highest caliber. It is an insanity that leads to terrifying catastrophe.

There is no such thing as “starting over” or “rising anew.” There is no such thing as pure and unadulterated “change.” All shifts in human civilization are a product of that which has come before; and, therefore, each of these shifts retains the ideas, accomplishments and dreams of our forefathers. No matter how ingenious we think we are today, most grand schemes and wondrous plans for the world have already been discovered, rediscovered and applied over and over again by industrious men, great men and even nefarious men century after century.

Unique ideas are very rare. The American republic, as a sociopolitical structure, is such an idea.

The concept of citizen self governance is extremely uncommon in the annals of humanity, namely because there has always been an establishment of elitists within any given epoch that has sought to destroy it. There have always been organizations of the power hungry who make it their mission to suppress free thought and free peoples, and these organizations certainly exist today.

Though we have been given an astonishing guide map in the form of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, the establishment attempts to sell us on a very different value system. In their world, true self governance is impossible, because only the elect will ever receive the political and monetary support needed just to join the ranks of those who might be elected. The common man has no place within the halls of the Federal oligarchy, and the elite like it that way.

In their world, leaders do not owe allegiance to the citizenry. They do not answer to the public. They do as they wish, whenever they wish. And as long as they can wrap their tyranny in the costumes of so-called patriotism, justice or safety of the masses, they can continue uninterrupted. The system is their playground, not ours.

Those people allowed to operate as government employees are treated as indentured servants of the state. Their first loyalties, the government claims, are not to Americans, but to the corporate apparatus that America has become. That is to say, they are supposed to protect the integrity of the system before they protect the lives and liberties of the people.

CIA Director John Brennan’s “Honor the Oath” campaign makes this position clear. In Brennan’s words, the oath government employees take is not to the Constitution, but to the “corporate culture of secrecy.”

Senator Dianne Feinstein’s response to the Snowden leaks on National Security Agency mass surveillance is also rather revealing in regard to how the establishment views the exposure of truths, especially when those truths involve the government’s systematic targeting of innocent Americans. The Hill reported:

“I don’t look at this as being a whistleblower. I think it’s an act of treason,” the chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee told reporters.

The California lawmaker went on to say that Snowden had violated his oath to defend the Constitution.

“He violated the oath, he violated the law. It’s treason.”

I would also point out that this same twisted viewpoint has been expressed by politicians on both sides of the aisle. Top Democrats and top Republicans want Snowden’s head on a platter.

Now I can see a certain (but very selective) logic to the belief that defending the government structure from attack is the same as defending the American public from attack. Undoubtedly, an outside force seeking to undermine our safety and our freedoms should be stopped; and some people believe we need watchmen to ensure this is done. However, what happens when the greatest threat to our way of life is coming from the watchmen themselves?

The Federal government was created by the Founding Fathers, begrudgingly, to serve one primary purpose: The defense of individual liberty. But what happens when the Federal government no longer pursues this function? What happens when the government becomes the very enemy it was designed to defend us against? Has it not then violated the charter that made it legal in the first place? And if so, should it not then be exposed and disbanded as a broken tool, a useless piece of hardware that no longer does any good for the people overall?

The problem is that the “watchmen” were institutionalized and bureaucratized. We were supposed to be the watchers and defenders, each and every one of us, but we handed over that power to elitist interests and secretive entities. We have handed over our eyes and our hands to men who care only for their own private societies and not American society. We have fallen asleep on the job and dark-minded doppelgängers have taken our place.

Even so, this does not mean our responsibilities have disappeared. As the actions of a handful of government whistle-blowers (including Snowden and Bradley Manning) have shown, the requirements of honor and conscience are not void simply because you now receive a government paycheck. In fact, for any government employee who considers himself honest and principled, whistle-blowing is not “treason,” as the White House would have us believe. Rather, it is a duty.

There are two kinds of law. The first is natural law; those laws follow the dictates of our hearts and our inborn moral compass. The Constitution upon which our nation was built is a perfect written representation of natural law. The second is self-serving law; those are the laws that one group of people in power use to control another group of people without power. Most legal structures that exist in writing today are sadly a product of self-serving law.

Legitimate treason is essentially the abandonment of the true well-being of one’s culture in order to gain something for oneself. Maybe the enticement is monetary, or maybe the enticement is to aid a foreign interest. Or maybe it is to satisfy a dangerously selfish ideological ego. In any case, the end result is severe harm to one’s homeland.

The question is: Is it “treason” to tell the truth to the American people? Is the truth harmful to our culture, or is it just harmful to the establishment? Is the survival of the establishment irreconcilably intertwined with the survival of our society, or is that only what they want us to think? If the establishment dies because it is revealed as corrupt, do we all die with it; or could we carry on without it?

As I pointed out before, without our heritage and our history, America fails to be. Without the lessons of the past, we are nothing. Our Federal government today has separated itself from the people and elevated itself to a godlike position in our personal lives, as many despotic governments throughout history have done. Our leadership has formed alliances with private elitist interests and forsaken their responsibilities  in an effort to cement their political dominance rather than protect the common good, the kind of action that has invariably led to the totalitarian monstrosities of the past. Further, our government has deemed that which is moral “unimportant” or “dangerous,” and that which is immoral a matter of national security, and thus sacrosanct. We are now expected to maintain “faith” in the benevolence and good graces of government and damn to hell the very voice within our souls. We are expected to pray for the continued longevity of the machine and rage against anyone who might enlighten us to the evil within it.

Many people who now work for the machine are not necessarily like the machine. They are not bent on the destruction of free civilization. They are not the enemy of life or the deeper good of man. But under the long-cast shadow of tyranny, the path they have chosen eventually ends; and it will end with an incalculably difficult decision: to do what is right or to do what is safe. To remember what it is our government is supposed to stand for or to forget all that came before.

Loyalty is not and never has been unconditional: loyalty to government most of all. Loyalty to the system is dependent upon the nature of the system and the people who sit at its apex. The system must reflect the higher aspirations of the society it seeks to manage or protect. It must be held to the highest possible standard and totally transparent in its nature. It is the job of government whistle-blowers to make this possible. If they do not, then criminality will remain painfully felt but officially unconfirmed. Our country will continue to crumble into fascist oblivion, and all that will be left for the citizenry is revolution.

We must remember what we believe in and allow that to be enough. Our fears, our biases and our superficial desires are all irrelevant. In the end, the only thing that matters is what we leave behind. For those within government today, this could mean a legacy of desperation and sadness or a legacy of strength, truth and enduring peace. Time is running out.

Brandon Smith

Brandon Smith

is the founder of the Alternative Market Project, an organization designed to help you find like-minded activists and preppers in your local area so that you can network and construct communities for barter and mutual aid. Join Alt-Market.com today and learn what it means to step away from the unstable mainstream system and build something better. You can contact Brandon Smith at: brandon@alt-market.com

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  • Alex

    Free Bradley Manning and give him the Medal of Honor he has so righteously earned!

    • vicki

      Look, It is actually possible for Alex and I to agree on something.

  • Toy Pupanbai

    Doesn’t the Patriot Act violate the Constitution?

    • FreedomFighter

      Many people who now work for the machine are not necessarily like the machine. They are not bent on the destruction of free civilization. They are not the enemy of life or the deeper good of man. But under the long-cast shadow of tyranny, the path they have chosen eventually ends; and it will end with an incalculably difficult decision: to do what is right or to do what is safe. To remember what it is our government is supposed to stand for or to forget all that came before.

      Looks like they “forget all that came before”, all those that died for their freedom, their liberty and American values.
      Laus DeoSemper FI

    • Stuart Shepherd

      Yes, and ikt’s counter-productive, also, and naturally leading to the types of abuses Snowden is revealing (although he is STILL a traitor). Ben franklin said “those who give up a little bit of freedom for a little security deserve neither.” He could also have said “will HAVE neither.” Traditional intelligence and a non-complacent public (as in the Cold War) are MORE effective at stopping terrorism (much like the israeli model- and they should know!). This false sense of security depending on massive unconstitutional surveillance and less effective “data mining” techniques has already and will lead to disaster. Russia warned us about the Boston bomber!! We didn’t need data mining and it wouldn’t have worked anyway. There WOULD be a cost (probably in lives even) to the absence of at least some of these surveillance programs, but there is no way to make them free of tremendous MASSIVE abuse (the data center in Utah?) and their absence would STILL cost LESS lives than well-done intelligence. Bravery being “smart” are the answer- not lulled into stupid complacent massive risk relying on technology for “data mining.” Does “data mining” sound like a strong defense to ANYONE? Does it sound like a completely frightening and creepy and needless invasion of my privacy and potential control, manipulation, and abuse to anyone? It does to me.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        I think where you might be going wrong, Stuart, is the belief that Government is doing these things to protect us, rather than the more likely event that they are doing these things to protect themselves FROM us.
        Snowden might be a traitor to the Gang, but he is NOT a Traitor to the American People.

        • vicki

          Nor is he a traitor to the Constitution. He might well be one of the very few that work(ed) for the government who ISN’T.

    • vicki

      quite a few provisions do indeed. So to does the NDAA 2012 and a bunch of other laws passed since 9/11/2001

  • Murph

    Brilliant article

  • timetoact

    We have fallen asleep on the job. The voters made their decision to place their very lives in the hands of these miscreants and thereby gave up their rights in fact, since they can only complain about the behaviour of the government, whilst the government itself does not care. The people are by sheer number, irrelevant and replaceable, merely to be used to serve the interests of those in power. The democrats and republicans are all hewn from the same cloth and together make all the decisions which have landed us in this mess, but to them it matters not as we are all replaceable and irrelevant. The old saying “if you can’t lick them, join them” couldn’t be more appropriate an expression to describe the leadership of todays world. All in bed together with seriously questionable methods of operation and totally beyond the law. Dealing with gangsters is a hideously difficult task but one which sooner or later will need to be addressed. We have a problem and we should all be brave enough to stand up to these miscreants. We are not their slaves. When we accept that what they do is OK, we are similarly guilty of the same sin of which we accuse them. Death before slavery is at least honourable.

  • Al Chemist

    People in this administration (or people just like them) will stay in power as long as they promise ‘free stuff ‘ to a lot of people who will continue to vote them into office.

    • vicki

      And we were warned of this day.

      “”A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of
      the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the
      candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy
      collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be
      followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.”

      Though they speak of a Democracy it also causes a Republic to fail when politicians discover that they can vote largess out of the public treasury to bribe the voters to vote for them.

  • http://www.yahoo.com/ wyatt48

    Never trade the truth for anything else. It is the single most valuable asset there is.

    • CatGman

      Very true.

  • red neck

    Hey Brandon….. Good article :)

  • CatGman

    Truth is a very rare thing to find these days. It is so rare and valuable that the government and the media will move mountains to hide it. In fact, both the government and the media have been fabricating their own brand of truth for years. Funny thing is that their brand is nothing like the real thing but the American people keep on buying it.

  • BigIron8

    Almost ALL of the unLawful acts that this and previous Governments have done and do are traceable (back) to “TRADING WITH THE ENEMY ACT of 1917 (TWEA) and the 1933 Amendments to the ACT [which was "fraud" and "treason" by our Government and their cronies].

    TWEA has been in force continuously since TWEA’s enactment. TWEA allows the “Government” to exercise extra Constitutional “powers” WHENEVER there is a DECLARED WAR or NATIONAL EMERGENCY! This ACT made “Emperor Roosevelt” and “Emperor Obama”. ALL actions by our Government taken under this ACT are “fraud” and “treason”. (And I’ll bet you thought that the WAR ON POVERTY, etc. was just a “figure of speech”!)

    Congress has ALWAYS acted to renew TWEA when required to keep TWEA in force. ["powers" once "usurped" have NEVER been voluntarily relinquished!] It would seem to me likely that the offices of the PRESIDENT, CONGRESS and SCOTUS have been in “conspiracy” to act outside of our CONSTITUTION and to thus violate the RULE OF LAW and the will of the people and the people’s TRUST.

    When the entire Government acts outside the Constitution and in “treason” does not their very acts remove from that Government ALL of their Constitutionally delegated “powers”? The Governments “powers” are supposed to exist ONLY via their specific delegation by the Constitution under the ” separation of powers” of the 10th Amendment.

  • plato1955

    Stop the liberal media, the power base of the left. Simply turn the channel. Refuse to watch their version of the news, and encourage all Christians, and patriots, to do likewise.

    • red neck

      Good idea….. I have not watched ANY liberal news in years and I refuse to do so…. Problem is that all of the obama worshipers that we feed and cloth do watch liberal news.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Bad idea, it behooves you to know how the Dems/Progs/Leftists move around in the world. As the attitudes and ideology and behaviors of the Dems/Progs/Leftists slowly seeps into the fabric of society how will you know to be different?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      It is not good advice coming from you. How will you know when the human wolves descend on the sheep, when they are at the fence line at which point it may be too late. Better know where the wolves are and in which direction they are coming from. Even Christ told his followers to be cunning.

      • plato1955

        Sorry for the delay Nadieja, but personally, I’d rather pull their teeth.

    • http://www.yahoo.com/ wyatt48

      I do not watch any major media channel. What they all report is slanted to meet their “values” instead of reporting the simple truth. To easy and doesn’t sell well. So instead of reporting the truth. they fabricate, invent, make up or what ever you wish to call it. It surely isn’t the truth.

  • BigIron8

    The “Safety of the State” has NO value; the State is NOT a living being! Only the people have value and their value ceases when “truth” is no longer valued.

  • Dillon Lacy Petry

    Life, and the preservation of life is the only thing that has true value.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      True value is establishing a consistent code of morality and adhering faithfully to that code even if it sometimes harms you financially or physically. More important than what anybody else thinks of you is what you think of yourself. You can hide from other people, but you can’t hide from yourself.

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      NOW and POPULATION CONTROL

      David Rockefeller speaks about population control
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcsHX9aoUuA

      Former US National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who also was a senior adviser to O’homobama on matters of national security and foreign policy in his speech at a Council on Foreign Relations dinner in Montreal (2009) said:

      “…in early times, it was easier to control a million people, literally it was easier to control a million people than physically to kill a million people. Today, it is infinitely easier to kill a million people than to control a million people. It is easier to kill than to control….”
      http://beforeitsnews.com/obama/2013/02/senior-advisor-to-obama-its-easier-to-kill-a-million-people-than-to-contol-a-million-people-video-2448044.html

      • TIME

        aDear People,

        Please do yourself a really big favor, I don’t care what your opinions are, as opinions are of no real value.

        What I will say is ~ that the noted You tube video named:

        { Your 72 hour red flag before US Martial Law } Its also on the face page of Steve Quayle.

        Look it up review it – more over comprehend it, as this is the blue print, but ~~ please do keep in mind that this is also liquid, as in it can change a bit here and there to make it work, As in, it may be one state then a few others and such until the total lock down is done.

        But what you need to understand is that ~ this video is on the mark, and I have that from many strong sources who all say the same thing.

        If you so choose to not heed the warning, its at your own peril. Never say you were not told, and yes I strongly believe that the end of 2013 to early 2014 is the TIME frame.

        As in you are now on borrowed TIME, this was to have unfolded back in 2008 and the noted reasons within the text of this video are again on the mark.

        Watch for the Japanese market’s dropping in value, gold dropping in value as well silver. These are KEY’S ~ Please learn to read them.
        Oh and watch for a rise in Gas prices at the pump within the next few weeks, as in, 10% ~ 20%, then again and again.

        Now think about what your food will cost when the cost of gas is up by say even 25%?

        Folks I beg you to get straight with The CHRIST now, PLEASE. Ask The Christ to forgive you for all your unhealthy deeds.

        Peace and Love May God bless and keep you.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Of course the “Safety of the State” really means the “Safety of the Leaders”. They could care less about the rest of us.

  • Louis Lemieux

    Today there are myriad kinds of jobs, professions and institutions that did not exist when the U.S. Constitution was written. Toilet paper did not exist! The intricacy of modern society calls for bigger government.

    Today we have myriad ways we could and would use our freedom to step on our neighbors’ freedom if it were not for society’s numerous legal constraints impose upon us. Not that those constraints shouldn’t be reviewed occasionally. The more we are less egotistical, the more we are happy to share, the more we love our fellow citizens, the more we feel free.

    If people were intrinsically not greedy, thirsty for power and prestige but instead more inclined to compassion, generosity and toleration, I would be a devout Libertarian!

    • red neck

      I don’t know about you but I can run my life just fine without a tyrannical intrusive government… You see it is people like you that are the reason for this….

      • Louis Lemieux

        …but I don’t really see my government as tyrannical and abusive. I’m quite happy the way it is. I feel very fortunate and happy.

        • Charlie

          red neck has been in the Sun too much without neck protection and Not understanding who made the Sun and the “technology” it takes to enjoy the good , bad , and ugly … As for Louis he’s been looking at the Sun too much and now is blind and can’t see the “ugly” governmental tyrants for the SOB’s they are………………

          So? the challenge is to prove out God’s plan as written in The Holy Bible ,, First ,,,see Matthew 6:33 AND,,, harmonize your Life Plan with The Will of King Jesus Christ… Enjoy God’s program,,, their ain’t NO other that will make you a “”Victor”” ………… “Truth will set you Free”…………………
          Charlie Freedom

          • Louis Lemieux

            I don’t believe in blind obedience to any book or anybody! I have enough judgment to decide by myself what is common sense or not.

          • vicki

            Which, it would appear, you are more then happy to use government to force your judgement on others.

          • Louis Lemieux

            Our government is by the people, of the people, for the people. How can I use the government to force my judgement on others?

          • vicki

            That you do not understand is why you do not understand the 2 wolves and 1 sheep problem of a democracy.

          • Charlie

            Well ,,, how about that another one that “””thinks””” he’s smarter than ” God” and can “Judge” the One that Created him… But can’t even prove anything about his Creator … My, My, how brainwashed can one get ???

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Sure you are, Louis, because you’re one of the Takers. Try being on the other side of that and see how you feel.

          • Karolyn

            Why on earth does somebody have to be a “taker” because they are happy with the way things are? What does that have to do with being a “taker?”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’ve explained this to you many times before, Karolyn, but you aren’t receptive. You would likely agree that if a man or a group of men approached you and demanded your purse it would be Theft. But somehow you feel that, if that group reaches some magic number of people, Theft becomes something more noble. It doesn’t, Karolyn. You are still Thieves, there are just more of you.
            Nobody with any sense of morality would approve the Forceful Taking of other peoples’ money by Big Government. It’s one thing to remain silent about such things on this board, but both you and Louis actively berate anybody who dares to tell the truth about such things.
            It seems like rather odd behavior if you indeed aren’t in the Society of Criminals:
            http://mises.org/daily/4125

          • Louis Lemieux

            You want everybody to be on his own. No sharing at all! There’s no way the U.S.A. would be today as strong a country as it is today if it things would be that way.

            How many parents would be able to send their kids to school if when they’re starting to raise a family they had to pay all of the costs. Very few. Schools are supported by all, grandparents and those who don’t have children.
            If under Ike, our national road system had not been built in the 1950’s and beyond, commerce would have suffered tremendously. I go on and on….

          • vicki

            Louis Lemieux writes:

            How many parents would be able to send their kids to school if when they’re starting to raise a family they had to pay all of the costs.

            All of them. It’s called home schooling. Been done for centuries.

            If under Ike, our national road system had not been built in the 1950’s and beyond, commerce would have suffered tremendously. I go on and on….

            It would have suffered little as entrepreneurs would have happily built roads so as to earn money renting them out to commerce. Unfortunately government came in and messed up yet another cottage industry.

            Here is a history of roads and road building and by whom.

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimpowell/2012/07/29/no-president-obama-it-was-private-business-that-made-our-roads-and-bridges-possible/

          • Louis Lemieux

            I don’t believe home schooling at a national level is feasible. Without the U.S. government our Interstate system of roads would have been almost impossible at the time. Delays are very costly.

          • vicki

            Much belief. Not much substance.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You should know the rules, if you can’t afford to have kids keep your underwear and pants on. It is that simple.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That’s not true at all, Louis. We need each other. Without the division of labor and voluntary cooperation of others, we would all be still hunting and gathering.
            The difference between you and me is that I respect people enough to not Force my way on other people. You, on the other hand, don’t.
            Louis says — “If under Ike, our national road system had not been built in the 1950’s and beyond, commerce would have suffered tremendously. I go on and on”.
            You can go on and on all you like, Louis, but unless you can establish a parallel universe with Free Markets to see the other outcome, instead of what we had during those years, you are just blowing smoke up our butts.
            I’m sure you consider yourself intelligent (I don’t), Louis, but if you were truly intelligent, you would investigate the other side of the story with an open mind. Start here:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

          • Louis Lemieux

            Instead of always coming up with that link, diversify your gathering of knowledge and read what many others have to say about values. One good objective book on the subject is: A QUESTION OF VALUES ( six ways we make the personal choices that shape our lives ). The author is Hunter Lewis. I’m not asking you to change your way of thinking, I just want you to understand better why some people cannot think the same way you do on the subject.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Because you’re feeding at the trough, and the only way you can live with yourself is to ignore reality?

          • Louis Lemieux

            Ignore reality? What I do know in life is just a drop in the bucket and the bucket seems to get bigger and bigger just like my enthusiasm to learn. Many see it the other way, they sincerely believe the drop in the bucket is what they don’t know and they almost hardly learn anything new.

          • vicki

            No one with any common sense would be happy with giving up ~50% of their labor to government that then uses the money to buy votes and spy on them and their neighbors.

          • Louis Lemieux

            To bad you have to believe that! Prove it!

          • vicki

            Louis Lemieux places a dare.

            Prove it!

            As you wish

            http://www.nowandfutures.com/taxes.html

            I presume you meant the taxes and not the rather obvious vote buying and spying

          • Louis Lemieux

            Why? Because you already know that second part is false.!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You would know that you were wrong, Louis, if your ears weren’t book ends to a vacuum.

          • vicki

            Louis sounds a LOT like Jeremy. I wonder…..

          • vicki

            Since all parts are true
            1.people pay more than 50% of their income in taxes
            2.the government spys on everyone
            3.the government buys votes with tax money
            your comment makes no sense.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Your mind is closed like a vault, Louis. No amount of evidence or proof can change it. Note that Vicki and I don’t post to convince you stubborn Liberal Progressives. We post to enable other readers, whose minds aren’t shut like steel traps, to learn.

          • Louis Lemieux

            Tell me what I’m taking if you’re so sure I’m a taker! Are you talking without knowing again?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Would it do any good, Louis? You need a modicum of intelligence to understand the concept.
            Whenever you vote for somebody who passes regulations or redistributes wealth or otherwise spends the money of other unwilling donors, you are voting for theft. You can whine and sugar-coat it all you want, but the fact is that you are a small part of a large Gang of thieves:
            http://mises.org/daily/4125

        • Alan

          You must be from the generation of the flower children – wake up, everything is not beautiful.

          • Louis Lemieux

            Everything is not beautiful but everything is relatively beautiful!

          • Alan

            You better pull your head out of your a** before its too late.

        • vicki

          What you feel and what is may not be exactly the same thing.

          • Louis Lemieux

            This can apply to you too!

          • vicki

            The difference is I am aware of the difference. By your writing you are not.

        • Ibn Insha

          Of course Louis. Because you are brain dead.

          • Ringgo1

            Brain dead would be an improvement.

          • Louis Lemieux

            If for you feeling gratitude and love for your country and its government means being brain dead I feel sorry for you.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Like a child feels love and gratitude to his parents for feeding and clothing him. But you certainly don’t feel love and gratitude for your fellow citizens who must bear your Theft and Force via your Big Government Bullies.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That’s an insult to brain-dead people, Ibn.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      You can bet when a Liberal Progressive opens his mouth, the stuff we need toilet paper for spews out:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet_paper

      Louis says — “The intricacy of modern society calls for bigger government”.
      There were Power Seekers from the beginnings of Government who said the same thing. What do we need Bigger Government for, Louis, besides to insure your pension?

      Louis says — “Today we have myriad ways we could and would use our freedom to step on our neighbors’ freedom if it were not for society’s numerous legal constraints impose upon us”.
      Insight into the mind of a Liberal Progressive? Speak for yourself, Louis. My friends & I don’t take advantage of other people because we have morality. It has nothing to do with fearing punishment by Government. Besides that, only a small portion of Government is devoted to protecting people from the Fraud and Force of others.

      Louis says — “the more we are happy to share, the more we love our fellow citizens”.
      You have a funny way of showing that, Louis — Sharing other peoples’ money whether they like it or not. If you call that Love, I don’t want to know what you call Hate.

      • Ringgo1

        Louis evidently believes that the state can regulate “feelings”.

        • vicki

          A lot of liberals believe that. You will notice that there are MANY laws that claim to protect the feelings of others. All the laws trying to make certain speech illegal. Laws that try and prevent people from carrying firearms because some “liberal” doesn’t feel safe and so on.

          • Louis Lemieux

            Humans have feelings and any law will entail certain human feelings. Were not robots!

          • vicki

            But you do CONTROL your own feelings. Thus any law made to make me do something so you can feel safe/better whatever is a waste of time because you simply choose to NOT feel safe/better even when I comply with the law. Hence you have used the law to falsely control my behavior when you had all the power to feel or not irrelevant to my behavior.

          • Louis Lemieux

            Our country went to war to make us feel safer, anything wrong with that?!

          • vicki

            Louis Lemieux writes:

            Our country went to war to make us feel safer, anything wrong with that?

            Yes.

      • Louis Lemieux

        My freedom stops where my neighbor’s freedom starts. The problem is people don’t always agree where the fine line is and it’s not always clear. That’s one good reason we have so many laws and a judiciary system.

        • Ringgo1

          It’s not that hard to figure out, Louis. (Do unto others…) Civil disagreements do not justify a plethora of laws designed to penalize “transgressors” without regard for justice. Re-read your first sentence.

        • vicki

          It’s not at all hard to find. Look up the word consent.

          • Louis Lemieux

            To consent means to agree. If people would or could agree all the time, I would become a libertarian!

          • vicki

            To consent is a little more complicated than just agree.
            If you consent to give me money for my pet charity this is a little different than if you agree that I should give money to your pet charity.

            English is a difficult language that way.

          • Louis Lemieux

            Consent implies voluntary agreement. Do we concur?

          • vicki

            Louis Lemieux writes:

            Consent implies voluntary agreement. Do we concur?

            http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consent
            “1: to give assent or approval : agree
            2 archaic : to be in concord in opinion or sentiment”

            Using 1 we could say that you agree to being tested or we can say that you consent to being tested. There is not a requirement for it to be voluntary but for this discussion let us say that consent implies voluntary agreement.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Is that all you are capable of, spewing academic nonsense.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Louis says — “My freedom stops where my neighbor’s freedom starts”.
          Sure Louis. Now try to convince somebody with half-a-brain that you feel that way, at the same time that you are using Big Government as your proxy thieves to help yourself to other peoples’ money, because you aren’t going to convince me that you really feel that way.
          Do you have any idea at all, Louis, how ignorant you sound?

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          I see that someone is drunk on the lib kool aid. Your posting makes no sense at all and I’m used to listening to students make excuses for not having their homework done. You are worse than a high school student. Here is an article showing how the Zimmerman trial is over, but it isn’t over yet for the left.
          http://www.joeforamerica.com/2013/07/its-not-over/
          I guess the left has to lick their wounds, but don’t believe in live and let live. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
          “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
          Patrick Henry
          Founding father
          Devout Christian

      • Louis Lemieux

        If a majority of those who got elected by us want us to collectively spend our money on something I’ll go for it even if I don’t agree. I may not vote for them next time though!

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          More like take our money for something we feel is immoral, unethical, and unconstitutional. The welfare state comes to mind. Here is a sermon by a pastor and it tells what is going to happen to this country if we don’t get back to God and Jesus.
          http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/07/pastors-warning-sermon-to-this-nation/
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
          “Blacks had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and the Negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit.”
          Chief Justice Roger B. Taney
          Dred Scott Decision 1857
          *Notice the racism by the left then and still continues today.

    • Frank Kahn

      First, are you actually French, or do you just like that name?

      I have noticed your incorrect position about government before. I just can’t decide if it is true ignorance or just liberal brainwashing that is the problem.

      “Today there are myriad kinds of jobs, professions and institutions
      that did not exist when the U.S. Constitution was written.”

      Your point being? The last time I read the constitution, I did not see where it talked about the government controlling jobs, professions and institutions. I remember something about defense of the states against invasion. I also remember things about treaties and taxes. Some really good ideas about individual rights and governments inability to abuse or abolish them.

      “Toilet paper did not exist! ”

      Maybe you were hard up to find a more appropriate example of a commodity for discussion. I don’t see what place the government has in regulating or controlling how I wipe the poop off my butt. Do you, somehow, see a need for a government agency to handle poop cleansing?

      “The intricacy of modern society calls for bigger government.”

      Because of your generalization of “the intricacy of modern society”, your premise is wrong. We do not need bigger government to oversee all the intricacies in our society. Yes, we need more diplomats when the international stage grows. Yes, we need more sophisticated weapons and a larger military to preserve the integrity of our home lands. And, we need some “local” government agencies to help establish and enforce safety and ethical practices within our society. We need the laws and enforcement ability to reduce harmful acts against the rights of citizens and damage to the environment. But, we do not need a government that tries to control everything from who gets to get married, who has the right to kill babies or what you can say about a particular religion all the way up to who we donate our money to. We don’t need big government telling us how to run our education system or what to teach. There are thousands of things that we don’t need the government to interfere with. So the size of the government can be reduced if we eliminate their unnecessary interference.

      “Today we have myriad ways we could and would use our freedom to step on our neighbors’ freedom if it were not for society’s numerous legal constraints impose upon us. ”

      You are terribly wrong in your assessment of what can be done with freedoms. And, you are also wrong about what limits and / or prevents us from violation. It is the basic human RIGHTS that are the basis for our freedoms. You cannot take away or “step on” another persons RIGHTS legally. This is stated in the Constitution. Freedom comes with responsibilities. Yes, you have the freedom to do bad, you might even have the power to accomplish it, but you don’t have the right. You have the RIGHT to pursue happiness, in any way you desire, as long as you don’t INFRINGE the RIGHTS of others.

      “Not that those constraints shouldn’t be reviewed occasionally. ”

      The ultimate constraint is final and all encompassing, it does not need to be reviewed or changed, ever.

      “The more we are less egotistical, the more we are happy to share,”

      Egotistical is a bad choice of words here, greedy might serve your purpose better. I might point out that we, as private citizens, are the most generous of all the nations of the world. We are not greedy, we just don’t agree with our government taking our money and then giving it out to the people that THEY decide deserve it.

      “the more we love our fellow citizens, the more we feel free.”

      Maybe, in a sense, if you love someone you trust them more. So we will feel safer if we trust them, which might make us feel a little freer.

      “If people were intrinsically not greedy, thirsty for power and
      prestige”

      You should have broken these down individually. There are different motivations for them so it is difficult to respond as a group.

      Greed, although it can be associated with the other two, is not intrinsic to human nature. If you seek to find greed in people you need to look at their station in life. You will find that the most generous givers are the poorest. A poor person will share his last food with someone who has no food. They do this because they know and understand what the other person is going through. I have known poor people that gave every last penny of their money to someone that they saw had a greater need. Where is the intrinsic greed in them? A millionaire gives charity $100,000. Where is the generosity of that? Did the millionaire go without essentials to help the needy? As a percentage of your net worth, the richer you are, the less you give. Is that greed?

      Thirst for power, here we need a more specific definition. Everyone seeks power in their lives. Most only seek power over their own personal lives, others seek power over nations and even the world. To seek power (control) over your personal life is natural, so it is intrinsic. To seek power over vast amounts of people and land is not normal, and therefor not intrinsic. Very few, percentage wise, of the population seek power for powers sake. These are, possibly, mentally aberrant. If that is what you object to, then you should not judge the majority for the shortcomings of a few.

      Prestige, is another trait of humans that has different levels. Some levels are normal and therefore intrinsic. To seek the prestige of a job well done is acceptable. To seek prestige (adoration) of the masses is not. If people applaud me for something good I have done, I am happy. If they start to worship me because of it, I am not happy.

      “but instead more inclined to compassion, generosity and toleration, ”

      Once again, you need to separate the items here.

      Compassion and generosity go hand in hand. If you have compassion for someone you will be generous in helping them. Once again, I point you to my explanation of greed for deciding who will qualify. When it comes to compassion, toleration can be tied to ones station in life. The richer you are, the less tolerant you are of the poor. You might give some to charity but it is probably not really out of love. I have seen businesses (retail sales) that want homeless people to stay away from their stores, because they might scare away paying customers. Not much tolerance there.

      Tolerance, what does that mean to you? I already covered tolerance of the poor, so are you wanting tolerance for others? Is it about tolerance for immoral acts? Do you feel that tolerating homosexuals is a good thing? How about abortions, do you think it is good if we tolerate them? Should we tolerate the black racists? Should we tolerate the killing of Christians by Islamic extremists? Who decides which groups should be tolerated? What level of concern for our safety is the threshold for stopping tolerance?

      “I would be a devout Libertarian”

      What does any of this have to do with being a libertarian?

      • Louis Lemieux

        If a toilet paper industry settles right next to your house and starts disturbing you with pollution, unbearable noise, etc., you’re going to say they’re free to do what they want and you’re going to put up with it. The Constitution gives the government the right to act for the welfare of all its citizens, I leave that to the Supreme Court to decide what it means, not to you
        The government has never regulated or controlled how I wipe the poop off my butt, but if you believe that and so many other lies, that’s your problem!

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Well you can always wipe your behind with lawn grass or leaves from trees so you don’t have to have those bothersome companies in existence. But I doubt the bugs would appreciate being near your behind. And lest you think I jest there are people across the world that are still doing it.

          • Bob666

            Wow Nads,
            You do have a way with words.

        • Frank Kahn

          Either your reading comprehension is severely lacking or you just enjoy waddling in bad assumptions.

          “If a toilet paper industry settles right next to your house and starts disturbing you with pollution, unbearable noise, etc., you’re going to say they’re free to do what they want and you’re going to put up with
          it. ”

          Apparently you missed the part of my post that said there is a need for LOCAL government agencies to control the types of things you just mentioned. In every city, where I have lived, there is something called “local zoning regulations / laws”, these are specifically designed to prohibit encroachment of business into residential areas.

          “The Constitution gives the government the right to act for the welfare of all its citizens, ”

          Wrong, the constitution gives the government the authority (not RIGHT) to PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE of the nation.

          A quote from a site on the internet

          “The preamble clearly defines the two major functions of government: (1) ensuring justice, personal freedom, and a free society where individuals are protected from domestic lawbreakers and criminals, and; (2) protecting the people of the United States from foreign aggressors.

          When the Founding Fathers said that “WE THE PEOPLE” established the Constitution to “promote the general Welfare,” they did not mean the federal government would have the power to aid education, build roads, and subsidize business. Likewise, Article 1, Section 8 did not give Congress the right to use tax money for whatever social and economic programs Congress might think would be good for the “general welfare.”

          James Madison stated that the “general welfare” clause was not intended to give Congress an open hand “to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare.” If by the “general welfare,” the Founding Fathers had meant any and all social, economic, or educational programs Congress wanted to create, there would have been no reason to list specific powers of Congress such as establishing courts and maintaining the armed forces. Those powers would simply have been included in one all-encompassing phrase, to “promote the general welfare.” ”

          http://www.lawandliberty.org/genwel.htm

          “I leave that to the Supreme Court to decide
          what it means, not to you.”

          I did not attempt to interpret the constitution, however, it is the founding fathers stated intent, not the supreme court that shows what it means.

          “The government has never regulated or controlled how I wipe the poop off my butt, but if you believe that and so many other lies, that’s your problem!”

          Here is where your reading comprehension was lacking. I ASKED if YOU THOUGHT that they SHOULD regulate it. I stated that they had no business attempting to regulate how I do it. There is no LIES inherent in either the question or the statement.

          If you have some knowledge, pertaining to how I believe about things that are lies, please enlighten me with specifics instead of a broad sweeping hyperbolic statement of your opinion.

          • Louis Lemieux

            What do you do if the toilet paper industry is next to your house but not in the same state, right on the border?

          • Frank Kahn

            When attempting to explain things to a liberal, a person must always be ready to respond to the ridiculous. A good helping of educational skills is also handy.

            “What do you do if the toilet paper industry is next to your house but not in the same state, right on the border”

            The phrase “local zoning regulations / laws” is not referring to state, it is city level regulations.

            Maybe you are living in France, and they don’t have zoning laws there?

            In most cities, in this country, the zoning laws also prohibit building residential units in an industrialized zone. For your hypothesis to have any credence, several things must be present at the same time.
            1. Either the city spans two states (part in one and part in another), or the city limits extend just to the state border.
            2. My home is located right on the border of the state I live in.
            3. The city, or part thereof, that I live in has zoning laws that do not pertain to the across the border activities.
            In all these items, it is the local government (city counsel) that is the deciding authority, not the federal government.

            The only time that the federal government would have constitutional authority, to intervene, is if the border was national, not state.

            Governance by local authority is always more efficient and reasonable for the people being governed.

            People in living in Washington DC don’t know and understand the style and needs of living in a rural western community.

            They can pretend, say “if I was living there I would want”, or hire some educated expert to claim, that this is what they need.

            But, without actually living there, they cannot know.

            Even the social structure is extremely different from city living.

            We don’t, generally, have gangs roaming our communities, killing people in drive by shootings.

            For the most part, we all get along.

            We don’t need to tolerate differences because we all act for the good of the community, rather than for the good of the race or ethnic origins of our family.

            We are morally responsible, hard working people, we don’t need the federal government telling us how to live and treat others.

            We treat our neighbors with respect, because we want the same respect from our neighbors.

      • Ibn Insha

        Louis Lemieux, I can clearly see that you have not learned anything. You want to remain ignorant. It is the job of citizens to watch their government including the Supreme Court for Supreme Court is manned by humans and it is actually part of government. For you government can do no evil and it is god. No wonder governments all over the world are tyrannical.

        • Louis Lemieux

          That’s why politicians have to listen to us voters if they want to get elected. That’s the control we have over them.

          • vicki

            Control that they easily manipulate by taking taxpayer money to buy you “free” stuff.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            True that! True that! A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always rely on the support of Paul. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

      • Louis Lemieux

        All of us humans on Earth form one great family no matter what our cultural, religious, political or ideological differences are. No doubt we have to protect ourselves from those who’s purpose is to harm others, but happiness is peace and peace is love and kindness to ALL.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          But without God, Jesus, the Bible, morals, and virtues, what you speak of are only empty actions and gain you nothing. Here is a video showing that a talk show host being warned not to talk about the past of Obama bin Laden. What ever happened to the God-given rights of freedom of speech and the press, both of which are written in the 1st Amendment?
          http://www.westernjournalism.com/investigator-radio-hosts-warned-not-to-talk-obama-background/
          Here is somethhing that could be possible about the Obama bin Laden background.
          http://www.ppsimmons.blogspot.kr/2013/07/eye-opener-obama-bc-fraud-technique.html
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
          “Let us take care of our rights and we therein take care of our prosperity.”
          Rev. John Dickinson
          Founding father

    • SkidogUSMC

      Lemieux, and who is trustworthy enough to be entrusted with this power you are so willing to give? Spoken like a true slave. No government official can protect me or live my life better than me.

      • Louis Lemieux

        I like the government we have now and I also voted for it. How can I be a slave to it? Its power derives from those who voted for it.

        • vicki

          Ah yes the 2 wolves and a lamb problem.

          • Louis Lemieux

            If that’s what your perception of reality is, so be it!

          • vicki

            One of the advantages of studying history is I get to see reality from more than one POV.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I guess that Louis hasn’t heard the old saying, “Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

          • vicki

            Louis hasn’t learned a lot of important lessons. Hopefully he will without having to suffer the mistakes that do the teaching.

            A smart man learns from his mistakes.

            A wise man learns from the mistakes of others.
            BOTH require that a man remembers history.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            That’s for sure. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “History is God’s providence in human affairs.”
            Daniel Webster
            American statesman
            “Defender of the Constitution”
            Devout Christian

          • Bob666

            Both will allow a real man to stand up and admit when he is wrong or in error.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I can agree with you on that statement, but pre tell when are you going to do what you have posted? Here is an article that tells about the libs and your ilk.
            http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/11715/political-correctness-is-liberal-brainwashing/
            Here is something from the greath libturd state government of California. Notice how they are practicing eugenics.
            http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/11746/eugenics-is-not-extinct-california-prison-illegally-sterilizes-women-inmates/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.”
            Rev. John Dickinson
            Founding father
            John Dickinson’s Last Will and Testiment

          • Bob666

            Well Poor Sammy,
            As Ronald Reagan use to say, “There you go Again”.

            Three problems with your post”

            First, I am not liberal- Far from Liberal and where your closed little mind slams farther shut is; you see me vote someone up because I agree with them and you assume that I think just like they do-100%. an opened mind allows me to look at the content of your post-not the person.

            Then, I deal with the “here and now-reality”. You deal with the “way it should be” and you lack the vision to to even mull over the possibility that you can be wrong or a person with a differing opinion might be correct.

            And Finally Sammy, Hypocrisy. You sling dirt as badly as as anyone on this board and then use play the christian card to put yourself above it? You are not god’s earthly spokesman and do not enjoy such privileges. The little names that you call democrats and the president -makes you come off as a spoiled brat at best.

            I could go on-but a wise man would read the written word and ask himself some valid questions. It does take a big man to admit when he is wrong.

            Call me a liar Sammy-I will call you out! If I call you a liar, I will provide infinite detail as to why.

            That’s what happens when you tangle with an engineer.

            “Music is an agreeable harmony for the honor of God and the permissible delights of the soul.”

            Johannes Sebastian Bach

            Composer & Freemason

          • BHR

            Any one who knows history knows our government is not based on the Constitution.

            When John Adams was helping writing the Constitution, he saiid our form of government would not work unless the people were moral and Christian.

          • lakeside227

            “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams

            There are religions other than Christianity.

          • BHR

            Adams was a devout Christian. The papers he wrote always referred to Christianity. Christianity is taken from the Bible, the God of Jesus is the only religion they referred too. Do not try to change history. If you went to school in America until about the 70’s all schools taught our Constitution was based on the Bible. Since then many people have come to America and have been changing History. America was founded on Christianity, saying it wasn’t, is like saying Mecca is not Muslim.

          • lakeside227

            You are mistaken. I am not trying to change history. I simply posted the correct quote and pointed out that there are other religions besides Christianity.

            Stop projecting YOUR thoughts and assumptions onto others.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          You mean you like the ever growing size and reach of government into our personal lives? You can’t be an American. Certainly not a patriot. Are you a paid troll? Here is an article showing how Harry “Woody Allen” Reid wishes to “nuke” the Senate to get things for his union “crime bosses” syndicate.
          http://www.redstate.com/2013/07/14/activists-need-to-tell-dirty-harry-dont-nuke-the-senate/
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
          “Respect your country always. Respect your government, when they earn it.”
          Samuel Clemons

          • Louis Lemieux

            I’m glad people like you are there to help make sure our government stops putting its nose too far in our personal lives. I believe in the power of the wisdom of American voters to straighten things out.
            I believe a simple majority of the Senate should suffice to approve the president’s nominees to different posts. You differ and it’s your right.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Louis says — “If people were intrinsically not greedy, thirsty for power and prestige but instead more inclined to compassion, generosity and toleration, I would be a devout Libertarian!”.
      Right there Louis has captured the difference between a Libertarian and a pie-eyed Liberal Progressive. The Libertarians know that S___ floats to the top, where they have much more Power to wreak havoc on other people. The Liberal Progressives think somehow, magically, only the Angels migrate into Government.
      So who protects us from those greedy, thirsty for power people in Government, Louis? You? I kid of course, Louis. I wouldn’t trust you to protect my pet toad.
      http://www.whale.to/b/callahan1.html

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Here is an article showing how a libturd politician in Texas made more than $1 million dollars from a single filibuster.
      http://www.lifenews.com/2013/07/16/wendy-davis-makes-over-1-million-filibustering-for-late-term-abortions/
      Here is an example of a victory over big government, thought it is not here in the U.S.
      http://www.lifenews.com/2013/07/16/pro-life-victory-philippines-supreme-court-suspends-rh-law-implementation/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
      “And ye shall know the truth,and the truth shall make you free.”
      John 8:32

      • vicki

        Samurai. Have you considered making a website with all those links so we can easily point to it when the liberals come with their less than honest proofs by bald assertion?

        You’ve obviously done a lot of work in finding them. It would be nice to reuse them :)

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          I wouldn’t mind Vicki, but I don’t know how. Believe me when I say that my computer skills leave little to be desired. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
          “Whatever makes men good Christians, makes them good citizens.”
          Daniel Webster
          American statesman
          “Defender of the Constitution”
          Devout Christian

    • lakeside227

      No, you are incorrect. The federal government has MADE itself so complicated a normal person cannot wade through all the regulations and rules. The federal government did that to keep the People under their control – not because it was necessary. So far it has worked. Not anymore. The federal government has violated the Constitution time and time again to expand itself. The Constitution didn’t delegate the power to the federal government to expand the very specific, narrow, and limited powers We delegated to it. That includes SCOTUS. Once a person understands that, it is frighteningly simple and uncomplicated.

      What you, many people, and the government have forgotten is that the federal government was created for VERY SPECIFIC duties. EVERY duty and power is enumerated in the Constitution. If it is NOT in the Constitution, the federal government was NOT delegated the power to do it AND CANNOT make laws regarding it. The ONLY way the federal government’s DELEGATED power can be expanded or changed, is by AMENDMENT! SCOTUS has NO delegated power to define or change the rules it and the other branches MUST OBEY.

  • buffalo hunter

    People that embrace the Democrat Party and it fascist/communist abhorant behavior, for years, have enabled this behavior from elected officials, to destroy the USA. The (scandals) of the marxist muslim and his puke party are just starting to show up on the radar. It will only get sleazier and more corrupt as days drag on.

  • Alan

    If Snowden is treasonous for violating his oath, what is Obama – he has violated his oath to the constitution several times over. Feinstein is an idiot.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      The Judge weighs in on Snowden:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EltcNaqtSQ

    • red neck

      Alan… Snowden did the right thing however by government standards right is wrong and wrong is right.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Here is an article showing how the EPA is becoming more dictatorial.
        http://www.wnd.com/now-u-s-copper-mines-under-attack/
        Here is another one showing how Chicago style tactics are being used against voters during Colorado’s recall elections.
        http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/coloradans-faced-with-thugs-opposing-recall/
        I guess that the government wants the safety of libturds and progturds in office, not real patriotic Americans. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
        “What innumerable acts of injustice may be committed – and how fatally may the principles of liberty be sapped – by a succession of judges utterly independent of the people.”
        Rev. John Dickinson
        Founding father
        Speaking about judicial reform.

    • SkidogUSMC

      I believe Snowden was patriotic for whistlebowing, but he should have sought asylum at the Vatican rather than Hong Kong then Russia! THAT is where his story gets iffy. They are competing imperialists, not “good guys”.

      • TIME

        Dear SKI Dog,

        Once you know what the “Vatican” really is all about, I strongly feel you would change your mind. By the way what I am saying to you is not an insult nor any form of disrespect.
        Once you understand that the Catholic religion is not what you think it is.
        The NWO / Old World Order has three points of light, as in
        ” 3 City States,”

        London, the money,

        DC, The military,

        Vatican the Sprit, or heart of the beast

        I gave you all the keys now run with it.

        Peace and Love

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Here is another lie told by Obama bi Laden.
      http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/07/obamas-black-lie-to-black-graduates/#ixzz2ZD4vabWR
      Here is one from Petraeus about the elite and their paybacks.
      http://www.politicaloutcast.com/2013/07/petraeus-as-professor-how-elite-paybacks-are-made/#ixzz2ZD28xYcJ
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “True religion is the foundation of society. When that is once shaken by contempt the whole fabric cannot be stable or lasting.”
      Edmund Burke

  • buffalo hunter

    The pukes in high offices and in control would not have taken the information seriously. Some facts that got released, but Sen Depends Leahy and the marxist muslim and his adminsration has blabbed even more to endanger every one in USA. Now these over paid government fks will have to get to work on new plans, and if the pedophile worshipping perverts want to hurt Americans, go out and fight a real fight, not a pansy azzed containment meals on wheels program. If the pervs try to hide behind women and children clear them all out, these pervs don’t have trouble killing any Christian, young or old. Facts are facts, look at WW2.

  • BHR

    Snowden took a oath to protect America. Not the government but the people and he did. We now know who the traitors are and there in Washington.

    Great article

  • scott miller

    He saw a government that was illegally and secretly monitoring huge swaths of the american public without their knowledge, without warrant or cause.

    The man is a hero.

    Every politician that called this man a traitor are traitors, every dept head that called this man a traitor are traitors. Every president and his lackies that condoned this stuff are traitors.

    And lets us not forget how this white house was illegally using the IRS to go after political opponents.

    Or how they covered up a attack on a US embassy by blaming a video noone ever heard of anywhere. And willingly let everyone there die.

    How much more is it going to take america? How much more is it going to take of your president and your congress breaking the laws, betraying the constitution, and blatantly diverting blame at every turn.

    • marc

      Yes. And notice that the single item of possible debate which we will find this traitorous oligarchy in near unanimous agreement is that Snowden is a “traitor.” But when it comes to debt ceilings, fiscal cliffs, and other pre-arranged crisis, they put on their pro-wrestling face-masks and compete with each other spiritedly for whose turn it is next to rape the middle class.

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