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Is President Obama As Hapless As Herbert Hoover?

July 14, 2010 by  

Is President Obama As Hapless As Herbert Hoover?

“Herbert Hoover is the greatest humanitarian since Jesus Christ.”
The Chicago Tribune, 1928

With all due respect to Oprah Winfrey, she was not the first person to anoint a Presidential candidate as “The Chosen One.” The Chicago political machinery was doing that with regard to the father of the Great Depression—Herbert Hoover—seven decades earlier. Could it be that Oprah was just as wrong about her President? It looks that way.

Is It Live, Or Is It Memorex?
The double dip recession that became the depression of the 1930s is playing out once again. And as my mentor Chip Wood—the geopolitical editor of Personal Liberty Digest™—sometimes points out: “History might not repeat but it certainly hums.”

A whopping 8 million jobs have simply evaporated since the Crash of ’08 despite the more than $3 trillion in stimulus money, most of it courtesy of President Barack Obama. America hasn’t got much bang for the buck when you consider that the official unemployment number is almost 10 percent. And just two days ago 2 million Americans lost their unemployment checks. That number will continue to soar in July while Congress takes its vacation.

Consumer confidence continues to decline while the housing market looks to be heading off a cliff. The national mortgage delinquency rate grew to 9.2 percent in May, up 2.3 percent from a month earlier and almost 8 percent from a year earlier.

Like many Americans Allan H. Meltzer, a professor of economics at Carnegie Mellon University and the author of A History of the Federal Reserve, wanted to believe the President’s assertion during the 2010 State of the Union address that he would grow the economy. However, in the June 30 issue of The Wall Street Journal, Meltzer says that the President has done little to improve things.

“The administration’s stimulus program has failed. Growth is slow and unemployment remains high. The president, his friends and advisers talk endlessly about the circumstances they inherited as a way of avoiding responsibility for the 18 months for which they are responsible.”

Earlier this year The New Republic declared: “Barack Obama, You Remind Me of Herbert Hoover.” “It might seem ludicrous or unfair to compare Obama to one of the most vilified presidents of the last century. But to his contemporaries, Hoover had been the American most suited to be president.”

In fact Henry Ford practically gushed over the Hoover nomination. And yes, you are forgiven if it all sounds a bit familiar.

“The reason we must have a new kind of President is that we are on the threshold of a new kind of world,” said Ford. “(We need a man) who can direct and oversee and referee between all parties and keep them all busy at the main task of creating prosperity which shall be continued and equally distributed throughout the country.”

This comes from the man who once said, “History is bunk.” Perhaps it is not so surprising then that Ford adored Hoover; the man many say was a crucial cog in causing the Great Depression.

A Very Depressing Depression
I heard a lot about the Great Depression because it hit my parents so hard. They were just getting started in life and it changed them in so many ways. But even as I continue to read more on the past I am shocked at how bad things were.

From 1929 to 1933 national income in the United States reduced by half; from $88 billion to $40 billion. Output from U.S. factories fell by half and automobile production fell by 20 percent. By 1934 American steel mills were operating at just 12 percent capacity. In fact, pig iron production fell to its lowest level since 1886.

But the banking crisis is what crushed the spirit of the nation. In 1929, 659 banks failed. In 1930, 1,352 banks failed. And in 1931, 2,294 banks closed their doors.

Deflation was in full swing. Farming, still the centerpiece of the American economy was crushed. In 1930 alone farm income fell from $12 billion to $5 billion. Factories did little better. From 1929 to 1933 factory wages fell by the same totals. U.S. M2 money supply dropped from $47 billion to $32 billion.

At the depths of the downturn 1 million people in New York City were out of work. As for Chicago, there was payback to be had for backing Hoover. Times there were so bad Al Capone’s soup kitchen provided 120,000 free meals in the space of six months.

Double Dipping Dow
Most people associate The Great Depression with 1929—the year of the infamous stock market crash. Yet the worst of the Depression was in 1933. The Dow Jones Industrial Average rebounded smartly after hitting its 1929 low of 195.35 on Nov. 13, 1929. By December 9 it had bounced to 267.56—a gain of nearly 37 percent in less than a month. By April 16, 1930, the Dow had risen to 297.25—a gain of 52 percent from the 1929 lows.

Many investors thought the worst was over and piled in looking to recover losses suffered in the ’29 Crash. They couldn’t have picked a worse time. The Dow collapsed, shattering the 1929 lows. In December of 1930 the Dow finished at 154.45 on Dec. 17, 1930. The ultimate bottom was not hit until 1933 when the Industrial Average closed at 49.68 on February 27.

The Crash of 1929 was triggered by a crisis of credit similar to what we are experiencing now. In fact, one could make the argument that today’s debt implosion is even worse, encompassing not only stocks purchased on margin, but also real estate—both residential and commercial—as well as consumer credit. Credit cards weren’t around in 1929. Neither were adjustable-rate mortgages.

The Bulls claim that stocks always seem to climb a wall of worry. And until a few months ago it just looked as if they might be correct. The Obama stimulus package seemed to erase fears of deflation.

The Dow Industrial Average, which hit 6,440 in March of last year, did make a remarkable recovery. This past March the Dow was back close to 12,000. However, the Dow never did break the 12,000 mark and it has since fallen back to about 10,000. Meanwhile we seem to be slipping into a summer of discontent.

I believe we are at the edge of another depression, an economic collapse that began with the failure of Lehman Brothers.

Of course this is not what was expected to happen. Obama was supposed to usher in a new age of prosperity. Then again the New York Herald Tribune declared that Herbert Hoover’s election: “Marks an epoch in American political history… America stands at the threshold of a new era.”*

Action To Take
Sell equities in anticipation of history repeating itself. Physical gold, blue chip gold shares and a handful of resource stocks will provide protection from the storm. Do not delay in taking action. Summer will provide only temporary reprieve at best. My long-term target for the Dow Jones Industrial Average is 6,000, almost 40 percent lower than where it currently sits.

Yours for real wealth and good health,

John Myers
Myers’ Energy and Gold Report

* If you want to know about the Great Depression, including its causes, I strongly recommend you pick up a copy of, The Year of the Great Crash, 1929, by William K. Klingaman, 1989, Harper & Row, New York. You can buy a new or used copy of it in hardcover at by clicking on the link above.

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • s c

    The Great Puppet may be a great cheerleader on the USS Lollipop, but his navigational and community organizer skills in the real world are straight out of the Twilight Zone. There are too many horoscope fakirs and wizard apprentices pulling Obama’s strings. Even Rod Serling’s genius couldn’t make Obama’s NWO Hollywood script work.

    • JeffH

      s c, you’ve left me with a smile and a chuckle before I retire for the evening…USS Lollipop…LOL!

      • chucky

        More like a ship of fools than the U.S.S. Lollipop. LOL. He is probably a man that means well, but redistribution of wealth will make us all poor. I still believe the theory I read last year that the remainder of the stimulis (some 600 billion) that President Obama is waiting to spend right before November elections to get a boost to the democratic party canidates, Is sitting in the stock market(funny how the guy he just appointed yesterday(forgot name) though he worked during the Clinton administration for the federal government, He just left Citibank to take this position but the media will not tell you that) to create what looks like a stable market to draw in investors. Ask the rich most are buying oil,gold, and silver while keeping any new investing out of the market. I do not like to look at a half empty glass, But everything going on today if you want to talk about history repeating itself, you need to go back to the fall of Rome. Corrupt senators, everyone speaking in different dialects, Army spread out in conquered lands(even though we do not rape pillage and take everything like the Romans when they conquered but We have conquered. We don’t even ask to be paid back) not protecting the homeland. Free handouts to the Citizens of Rome.November elections will make or break this country depending on the outcome. God Bless America and hopefully the people will turn it around.

        • Richard Pawley

          “November elections will make or break this country depending on the outcome. God Bless America and hopefully the people will turn it around.” This says it all. The new taxes for health care will begin next year if nothing changes and some Republicans who did not vote for the so-called health care bill, have said they won’t vote to rescind it. We need a return to morality, Constitutionality, a restoration of sound principles, decency, and pay as you go. Make sure you tape or video those who say they are going to restore the USA so if they are talked out of it by the Controllers in Washington we can get rid of them too in 2012. If not then these are “The Last Days of the Late Great United States” as we have known it. It’s NOVEMBER OR NEVER, or as a retired teacher just sent me a note: FIGHT ORGANIZED CRIME! RE-ELECT NO ONE!

          • possum

            I fully agree!

          • Dan Burke

            I find my wanting to cheer, to cry, to laugh, to mourn, and to just plain collapse as if from massive headache which I don’t have. I too believe that it would be ideal if no incumbents got reelected. That would send a very clear message. I was hoping that most wouldn’t even make it through their primaries. That way we would have a “lame” duck congress now instead of later. This way it could have all been covered in the news as it slowly and agonizingly happened because they would have time to “debate” it all as they did it. Now, if we get that “lame” duck congress, they will all be under such pressure to do it as fast and as much as possible that we will probably be several months into the next year before we even know half of what they did…. And they’ll blame all the consequences of their actions on the Republicans and Tea Party!!! The saddest bit is, Americans will believe them that is all the fault of the Republicans and Tea Party. By the way, I think it has been very telling of the Republican elites as they’ve resisted their various incursions by Tea Party candidates. We’ve been trying to pull them back to fiscal conservativism and they were “kickin’ and screamin’ all the way….” No wonder I don’t trust the Republican party either!

          • Robert Kleffman

            My objective was to do just that… So I vote for the “Rookie”. They lost to the incumbant; but there was a run off election, so I voted to replace the incumbant who managed to eek out a victory anyway, however narrow. Now, I must vote against the incumbant a THIRD time in one election cycle. Maybe people are not as “Fed up” as they claim to be. I wanted no one re-elected; NO ONE. I think we’d be better off with all Rookies than we are with what we have currently, & some of current members are good people & I consider them personal friends, but enough is enough.

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  • Sally Ride

    Mr. Myers could not be more wrong about President Obama.

    The problems with today’s economy are George Dubya’s fault, not Obama’s. It was the reckless of Bush II that got this country into trouble.

    Mr. Myers would do well to remember that Hoover was a Republican, just like Dubya. And it was a progressive Democratic President that took over a sick economy and with time and patience overcame the Great Depression.

    President Obama could use more support — the kind of support our grandparents and great grandparents gave to FDR. Only then will we recover from the Great Bush Depression.

    • Myles Culbertson

      Oh brother!!

    • jomama

      Sally – Ride on out of here………………..

      • FedupinNC

        LOL… Amen…

    • Paul

      Nobody can defend Bush, as he acted like a liberal and ordered the unconstitutional bailouts. Government action did what it always does, make things worse. If you know economics, then you know that we escaped the Depression in spite of FDR, not because of him. His policies and Obama’s are all big government, just like Bush. Please help me understand exactly which Obama economic policies are so different from Bush. Keynesian economics is a just a government power grab and was never intended to improve economic conditions for the average person. If/when we get a president who will leave the market alone, then we will have a return to prosperity. If that never happens, then we will turn into the malaise that is Europe.

      • JeffH

        Paul, both Obama and Bush may bow to a higher global power, and Bush wasn’t even close to being fiscally sound but…Obama has an agenda which any good Marxist would approve of, at least Bush was an American. I’m no fan of the Republicans or Bush but I despise the current POTUS move to destroy America and force an all out move to socialism/communism.

        • Matt V

          That global power is called Bilderberg and they just had their 58 annual meeting and they want to push cap and trade because it would bankrupt this country. the bilderberg wants that power of mone world government and the only way to do this is to bankrupt amerika they are also pushing for global small arms treaty which that sneaky little thing called the constitution stands in the way mmmmmmmmmm I know if they bankrupt amerika then amerika has no choice to join the world government and then you will see the constitution lose its importance or maybe just fade away. china has been talking to the feds about dumping the dollar for the euro so i hope everyone has bought some gold. immagration reform they want amesty for the aliens that dont belong here and make every working american to have a biomedical I.D. in order to get a job or keep it mmmmmmmmmmm soon you wont be able to buy sell or trade with out an I.D. or get any services mmmmmmmmmm sounds like the mark of the beast yepper satans on his way.

        • Jan

          Well said. If the government continues to take things over (GMC, Wall Street, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, student loans, etc) this will be total Socialism. We have to make a change in November. Obama said he would help the little man (SHARE THE WEALTH). YEAH RIGHT. I am in much worse financial shape now than when BUSH was there, though that is not saying much. We struggle each day and cannot get ahead in this country; something is terribly wrong. No real solutions are ever made by the government they just make changes to what is already bad and nothing really gets any better. They come up with short term fix-its and will really never solve anything. It’s like moving the chairs around on the deck of the Titanic (nothing is helping) it is still going to sink.

        • http://??? G. Marshall

          You have it figured RIGHT JeffH. Obviously the present agenda is to take OUR country down to a third to fifth world country.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Maxine Kuykendall

        Paul, some of what you say, I agree with, however, let us forget Hoover and FDR. Let us look at how we got in the mess we are in today. It takes several years for a bad law/agreement to finally effect our economy. ( I am sure you will agree with that). Go back to 1996 and you will see the Budget was balanced and even Social Security looked good, as well as Wall Street. A great Market. However, Americans were asleep at the “wheel”. Sorry to say I supported the culprit that started the slide down into depression that we now see ourselves. WE now have NO Jobs, but owe so much. Our homes are being foreclosed on and we have no where to go. The retirees have lost their money in Stocks, so the are shouting it is O’Bama, then the ones hurt by 911 blame 8 years of Georgie. Now Georgie did believe in spending the US Government’s money and off to Iraq to invade a Country that he and Cheney had already been told, DID NOT have WMD. Also, IRAQ did not have anything to do with 911. But look at the lives and money wasted in Iraq. Yes, we got Saddam Hussein, but so what, the Muslims still want to kill us for being on their soil. IF anyone wants to really get this economy back on track, then Congress needs to reverse the NAFTA agreement that Bill Clinton signed that allowed all large American Companies to close up shop, fire the Americans and take the jobs to foreign countries that allow “sweatshop” type pay and labor. Bill started the ball rolling down hill, and we were all so busy playing the blame game about the Wars, that we never even thought about the NAFTA Agreement. So now we are trillions of dollars in debt and can barley pay the interest on what we owe “RED China”. America will just pass away, it will not matter if a Republican, Democratic or whoever is the next President. Only our US Congress can bring back our jobs from foreign lands. Wrangler was one of the first big companies to close up their plants in American and build in Mexico. Hiring only young females as workers. Then the Electronics left CA. and lot of them are also in Mexico, the work is done by young females, who have to take a pregnancy test each month.Read “Daughters of Juarez”
        UNLESS the US Congress cancels the NAFTA agreement and puts a real hefty import tax on the American Companies that moved out of America for cheap labor. No matter who is elected to office in Washington, our jobs are gone; and now the foreign Countries are trying to get a bill passed to allow open skies. So soon it may not just be India an American talks to, when trying to book a flight. But on board the plane one will hear the welcome aboard announcement, which just may be made in Arabic. So let us put the blame on the ones that we elect to represent our State. The US Congress. Congress allowed Bill Clinton to give away our jobs, and Congress allowed George Bush to hop on his horse and invade the poor dirt Country of Iraq. Will America wake up in time and see that it is not a sitting President that makes a LAW, but the US Congress. They could have stopped Bill Clinton, they could have stopped George Bush and they can stop O’bama. So our Congress are the ones that America should be shouting about no Jobs and lost homes. Only a reversal of the NAFTA agreement by Congress will force the American Companies to bring back their plants to America. CONGRESS/Lobbyist. If they do not reverse NAFTA America will slide out of power in the world. Jobs cannot just suddenly appear and Banks are loaded with homes that have been foreclosed on, because the Owner no longer can find a job. Why? the jobs that they had when they got their mortgage loan is now in foreign Countries. Congress is allowing our Country to be given away. Congress makes the laws. Congress can even override a President. Where is our Congress now, when America is sinking?

        • Richard Pawley

          I was shocked a few years ago when I went through the Detroit Jetport for the first time. My flight had been an hour late due to a computer malfunction and the installation of a rebuilt computer as we waited on the runway so when I finally arrived in Detroit I had to really rush to the connecting flight to St. Louis. As I literally ran quite a distance all I heard was announcements in Chinese. Knowing how much of the USA they own I wondered what it was all about but never found out. I must agree that is Congress who passes the laws and the taxes, even if they don’t bother to read them. Without Congress it doesn’t happen but they never get blamed and we keep electing the same people for decades, look at Kennedy and Byrd and McCain and Liberman and Pelosi and Reid. Without Congress agreeing to whatever, it doesn’t get passed. Already the money they have spent under Bush/Obama is going to cause prices to triple in the future but because of the time lag in inflation we will blame the sitting president then, rather than the Congress who is actually the ones responsible. Of course if we replaced them as often as the founding fathers thought we should it wouldn’t be a problem. We owe to much money and it cannot be stopped but if we elect 90% new people in the House in November and as many new Senators as the law allows in November we might slow down the disintegration of our nation. I believe it’s NOVEMBER OR NEVER.

        • http://GOGGLE vaksal

          every word you posted is all so true,all these washington self serving types,must be voted out,and keep the honest ones.but which ones are honest? thats the question.

      • Only in America

        Bush acted like all the other conservatives, with self interests first.

        The Tea Party is more of the same.

        Vote them out but be careful who you replace them with.

        • Ellen

          Only in America: Bush acted like the traitor that he is and was. He was no more conservative than you are. He was serving his masters in the shadows just like Barry Soetoro and those who played these roles before them.

          You’re dead wrong about the Tea Parties. You obviously have no grasp of our nation’s history nor the supreme law of this land that has all but been destroyed, The Constitution. The Tea Parties are everyday Americans who realize that unless our Constitution is restored, there is no hope for America.

          • Colo43

            I agree with you, Ellen.
            i belong to the Tea Party and its all about values of which we were brought up in.
            Things were hard when i was a kid growing up in the 50′s-60′s, BUT they were much better than today’s Politics.
            Honesty seems to have taken a back seat with our elected officials- none have the balls to stand up for whats right.

    • tg7357

      God, another one looking at the ‘Blame Bush’ mantra and accepting it as gospel. Sister, let me tell you something: there are NO CLEAN HANDS in Washington. Republican, democrat, liberal and independent ALL are to blame for the current mess the US is in right now. Since all of our elected officals think they have a right to rob their constituents and line their own pockets and futures at the cost of ours, its no wonder the US is bankrupt and sliding into socialist chaos. Instead of blaming past administrations, shut up the whining and DO something about fixing the problem. VOTE! Help dump the incumbents who think they have the right to screw you and get away with it. VOTE THEM ALL OUT!!!

      • marilyn


        • eddie47d

          Why would you ditto his comments?Some of you go way back and blame Clinton for everything! Some go back and blame Bush which is certainly more recent. tg7357 should have said, What do the new candidates have to offer? Are their answers workable solution or more of the same Bush/Obama? Saying “vote them all out” is getting old. You could be left with even worst possibilities. Hoover was a Republican who created an even bigger mess than what we have now. We can’t fall for all the right wing hysteria or the left wing promise that they have all the answers.

          • Richard Pawley

            Why not go all the way back to that wonderful racist liberal Democrat who opposed woman’s vote and WITH THE VOTE OF CONGRESS turned over the money operations of this country to the privately owned FEDERAL RESERVE BANK. We didn’t even need income tax before that. Woodrow Wilson was the name and his propaganda machine was copied by the Nazi National Socialists years later. Even today, however, the current president could pass no bills, no taxes, no Marxist agenda to eliminate air conditioning or making vitamins prescription items or any of the other outrageous junk the U.N. wants WITHOUT THE HELP OF CONGRESS! REPLACE THE 111TH CONGRESS IN THREE AND A HALF MONTHS AND DON’T FALL FOR THE LINE THAT THINGS COULD BE WORSE. I can tell you here and now they are going to get worse! Congress is doing all it can to create inflation but so far it hasn’t work BUT IT WILL eventually. Replace those who are constantly ignoring those who elected them or you are going to see a lot worse than food prices tripling in the future. It’s NOVEMBER OR NEVER!


            Herbert Hoover was originally a DEMOCRAT, and intstituted a Democrat policy of raising taxes during a recession. He was a RINO!!!!!! Get your facts straight. The Great Depression ended after we entered World War II. Socialism does not work, nor does Communism. If your disagree then get the hell out of MY COUNTRY.

          • gregory


            again your showing your commie roots by only telling half truths…
            remember a half truth is still a lie…
            the creeps that run our country tell alot of half truths and all along know that there are amazing fact checking programs out there that arent verry expensive anymore, i suggest veritas, and there are many free verified sites on the web for anybody to verify facts that the lier commie obamie spews from his commie punk mouth.
            face it- there are many folks in this country that will fight to die a freeman than to die a slave to the government, we arent going away but we will work verry hard to get rid of the marxist thugs that have highjacked this christian country, and that includes all politicians that have forgotten about the tax payers who are forced to give these thugs a pay check…
            i think it would be great if every body that has ira’s , 401k’s and any retirement funds, or money in the corrupt banking system—to pull out there money in cash,and live it up for the next year or so before the country goes bankrupt and our money is no longer worth a cat turd, it is going to be a living hell in this country when we do indeed go bankrupt, we all know that the thugs in controll have there eyes set on our retirement funds and will steel it from us, they are going to use the tactic that they have to take your money to save the country from going bankrupt and issue us a IOU wich will be worthless because the money will never be accounted for and the country will still go bankrupt, that is how the marxist take over a free country, they are setting them selves up to be kings over a hard working slave class. Well NOT ME, yesterday i cashed in all my retirement funds and cashed out my bank accounts, it was just to dissapointing to me to know that i have work’d hard all my life thinking if i saved my money in a wise way and invested it in retirement plans and have the nerve to think i will beable to retire at 55 and enjoy the rest of my life without worring about were my next meal will come from, or how to pay a bill–i decided for my self that my dream of retirement is over and it seems the way our marxist dogs in government spend and lie– i have made a wise move by removing all my money from any institutions that would hand MY money over to the thugs up northeast, i will spend MY cash anyway i want because i earned it and it is mine, and i want to spend every last penny before these sorry scum-bag politicians steel it, i figure in a year or so it wont matter anyway, and i would rather spend MY money than to let those thugs steel it from me, i also quit my job so i can enjoy what little time is left in this country before the constitution is no longer valid, and if things start to turn around after the nov elections and we start to show signs that christian values will make a return, then i will simply become a fishing guide and live in a camper trailor near the lake, a country man will survive. so my retirement started yesterday and my home and property go on the market within a week, i will take the cash from that and use a couple of bricks of cash to start my first retirement campfire at the old fishing hole, i am going to enjoy life without worring about working anymore, and most importantly i will not ever hold down a job ever again until the corrupt system is fixed and the thugs dont steel MY hard earned money just to throw it away to the pimps and hoes. i suggest to everyone who has the dream of retirement to think about what is really going on in this country and take a close look at what is going to happen in about a year or so in this country, it would be worth your while to spend every dime of your money before its worth less than the effort it took to make it, and if you quit your job–that is less tax revenue for the thugs to steel from you, and if many people decide to spend every thing they have and quit there jobs–it will mean less money for the thugs on a large scale, it may be the only way to run these thugs out of our houses…

            STARVE EM OUT!!

      • Weezie

        Well said!

      • barbara

        You are so right. The bottom line is greed and power. People can not see the far left trend, a growing cancer that destroys the innocense of youth, subjugates the masses with payouts at the expense of the hard woking masses who are being punished for their frugality. By having people’s savings and investments sucked to share the wealth, they enable inferior education, well fare, and other amoral practices which bring about disease to the mind, body and soul.. It is all about destroying what our founding fathers painstakingly declared in the Constitution so those in power can’t usurp all the power as we are now seeing with enforcing the unwanted health care bill, the ownership of car manufacturers, banks etc. We need people who truly love America, support the constitution and remember that this IS a government of the people, by the people and for the people. There is no room for egotists who milk the system and don’t pay taxes.

    • AnhydrousBob

      Obama and Bush (and their predecessors) are the CURSE that we received from our grandparents and great-grandparents for supporting FDR and his policies.

      Simply put, the Great Depression was caused by government intervention – as one proof, look at the Depression of 1920-21 which started off worse than the great one a decade later.

      • George E

        Anhydrous Bob,

        My understanding of the Great Depression correlates exactly with yours, except for one thing. The Fed under Herbert Hoover was too slow to support the banking system with liquidity. That helped support the notion that the banks weren’t solvent, further encouraging a run on the banks, which led to many bank failures. This led to an economic domino effect. Banks called in loans early, creating many defaults while many fewer business loans were made, and this led to slower business activity and fewer jobs. This experience along with the savings and loan failures of the ‘80s, with the resulting real estate problems that occurred then, were some of the guiding lessons which encouraged our government to step in with the TARP bill to support the banking system early in this financial crisis. Therefore, this part of the “bailout” made some sense to me while I believe other government intervention will prove to be ineffective at best, and counter-productive or destructive at worse.

        • AnhydrousBob

          Mr E,

          Even though the FED was created in 1913 it did not do anything during the 1920 depression to help with liquidity, or anything for that matter. Basically, the government was in a quandary and didn’t know what to do – to the advantage of the recovery. However, the FED did start expanding the money supply very soon after the downturn was over and pretty much can be faulted for the “roaring” 20′s and the correction of 1929 – it is called a correction for a very good reason.
          So even though some of the economic numbers in 1920 were worse than those of 1929 – honestly I forget which ones and would have to look it up again – without government aid, the economy made a full recovery in about 18 months.
          By 1929, the FED was very active and along with FDR (the alphabet programs) and congress (Smoot-Hawley, etc) created the worse period of economic activity in the US history.
          However, we may soon surpass that record with our own since we are following the same pattern as before, plus the FED has practically wiped out the value of the Dollar in the last 80 years.

        • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Dave D

          George E.,

          The only difference between now and then is the banks have gotten the money so there is no run on them. The money is however not being funneled back into the economy by way of loans. The banks still aren’t giving out loans and they are non-renewing notes so there is still a large number of viable businesses that are going out of business because of no financing. As you may know many commercial notes are written with a shorter term than the amortization that is used to make payments so at the end of the note they still owe the bank a balloon payment which in many cases, they are unable to repay so they have to file bankruptcy just because of the new lending rules the Fed has put in place. Unfortunately both roads, the past and the current, lead to the same deep dark place. Depression. And were did all that money go that was suppose to revive the economy? Into somebodies pocket! That is this redistribution of wealth I have heard so much about and which I myself did not want to believe at first but am beginning to see the light now!
          I certainly don’t know the solution but you can bet I will be at the polls as I always am trying to pick the best possible candidate to fix this mess that has been brewing for many years! In addition, I will bring as many people as I can to the polls with me who want to save this great country!

    • Ellen

      Sally Ride: Wake up and smell the coffee, dear. As horrendous as Dubya was and I hated every moment of his disgusting rule, Barry Soetoro has him beat by light years.

      For decades our government has had a wanton disregard for our Constitution and has continued to lay the groundwork for the creature that now is providing the finishing blows to this country. Barry said he would bring the troops home; instead he has greatly increased the troops everywhere–GW made no such pretenses. He said he would get rid of the PATRIOT act, that heinous piece of legislation illegally passed by GW. Barry deliberately “re-upped” this.

      This whole monetary mess began in 1913 with Woodrow Wilson giving the go-ahead to the creation of the Federal Reserve (a private banking cartel that has NO reserves) and the IRS. The Federal Reserve was the entity that brought about the Depression. Woodrow Wilson was a democrat, FYI. The framers of the Constitution were strongly against a central bank but Wilson did it anyway. The IRS is a group of thugs who make sure people give up their hard-earned money to send to the Federal Reserve.

      Our economy has been controlled by the central banks; during the depression they simply removed about 1/2 of the currency from circulation. The Depression ended when the central banks got out of the way.

      There is absolutely nothing that Barry has done that has been Constitutional. He has total disregard for our laws. His so-called health care debacle will impoverish the American people and his puppets in congress just passed the Disclose Act which is a direct assault on our free speech rights.

      He deserves NO support and needs to be impeached NOW before he can do more damage.

      I am amazed at how clueless your statements are.

      • Al Sieber

        Ellen, I’m with you 100%, it all started in 1913 with the Federal Reserve. get rid of the Federal Reserve and our problems will be solved. the money changers Jesus threw out of the temple are still around, but they changed the name of the temple; its called the Fed. Reserve now.

        • JeffH

          …and to think that Congress crushed Ron Paul’s “Audit the Fed” bill.
          This country has some very bad people runing it…Yup, time for some change back to a “Constitutional Republic”, by the people and for the people.

          • Vicki

            Not just Congress but DEMOCRAT Controlled congress. Shows the little guy who is paying attention just who’s side Democrats are really on.

        • Richard Pawley

          And if you read the Book of Revelation carefully you can see it speaks of time when there will be terrible worldwide inflation “a days bread for a days wage” (in the original it said, “a measure of wheat for a denari” but that’s what it meant). You will also see it mentions a world leader who is not a military man but who controls the ability of even kings to buy and sell! What else is that but some kind of master world wide banker? The whole world is spending more than they have, as if they are trying to cause a complete crash of coupon money (paper) so that the new system, whatever that is, can be established. As for me I just bought another very efficient air conditioner and other things that Congress wants to tax through the roof. Maybe they will get kicked out in November and maybe they will rescind the so-called health care bill and come up with a real one (not one Republican even the so-caller Republicans-In-Name-Only (RINO’s) voted for it). Maybe the new Congress will reduce the spending and cut taxes so business won’t be afraid to hire. Maybe pigs will learn to fly. In the meantime I hope to buy the things (on sale) that I may need in the next decade and which will be taxed to the roof in the near future. Believers need to pray that God works his will which is most assuredly not socialist or Marxist and all need to vote in just under 120 days. We may have a chance to slow down this train wreck. It’s NOVEMBER OR NEVER.

          • Ellen

            Richard Pawley: Just a reminder, they really don’t need to rescind the so-called health care garbage. It is entirely unconstitutional and null and void and I hope that our state governments are wise enough to put that into writing for our Treasonous government to appreciate.

            Our federal government has NO authority or responsibility to meddle in the health care of anyone. Neither do they have the authority or responsibility to meddle in education, welfare, or most everything they criminally have their filthy hands in. Most of us have forgotten and have neglected to find out just what our government has the responsibility to do. It is actually very little and WE GAVE THESE PARASITES these responsibilities. We are their superiors. There is nothing they can do for us that we cannot do better for ourselves and this too, has been forgotten in our rush to the head of the line for something “free”. Those perceived freebies are from the stolen property of your neighbors and YOU. It is blood money and we forget that such things like highway funds are actually OUR MONEY (now greatly reduced) that was illegally extracted by their numerous illegal activities and “Laws” that we are required to obey but, interestingly, they are not.

            I will be doing my utmost to starve the beast. My back is to our government at all levels because it all is utterly corrupt, illegal, criminal, unconstitutional, and morally bankrupt.

      • tg7357

        Ellen: you just hit it out of the ballpark! Good post!!

    • Norm

      Sally you are right on the money. Bush = Hoover. Obama = FDR.
      It’s so obvious that only a fool can’t see the similarities.

      • libertytrain

        Norm – I guess I’ll just continue to be a fool in your eyes. So be it.

        • annnort

          Libertytrain, Norm and Sally are nuts in all our eyes. They need to open their eyes and see more than skin color. They need to read with comprehension and listen to others views. They must be the product of our dysfunctional education system.

          • Norm

            I know many of you have reading impairments. If you would actually read US history, it would be hard for you make some of the false and foolish statements that are often made at this site.
            Just because your propaganda masters tell you some BS, it does not make it so.

          • libertytrain

            annnort – yep. And not only are we fools – now we are reading impaired as well – Cie la Vie -

          • Vicki

            Norm’s problem is a belief system where he thinks we dance to some puppet masters tune. The reality is that we use the internet and do study history (several sides in some cases). We see where we were taught that WW2 pulled us out of the GD is not entirely accurate. We see where HH and FDR policies damaged both the economy and Constitutional limitations on the FedGov. We see where FDR simply stacked the supreme court when the justices kept blocking his plans because of constitutional limits (now decimated by FDR, LBJ and a host of others).

            Perhaps Norm and other people who follow the current Democrat thought can untangle themselves from their Propaganda masters and see for themselves what is recorded in history.

      • George E


        I know in your mind Bush & Hoover = bad, and Obama & FDR = good. However, most of us on this board would put it slightly different. We would say that government control & intervention = bad, while free market & liberty = good. Along those lines, most of us would say Bush/Hoover = poor, while Obama/FDR = much worse.

        • JeffH

          George E, so well put…

      • DaveH

        Norm is right. Obama is like FDR. Obama also would keep our country in 10 years of depression if we let him stay in office that long.

        • Jana

          Yes he would. In fact now that BP is ready to cap that well the Gov’t., our U.S. Government, said STOP. We have several departments that have to approve of this first. So now all of a sudden we will have that oil spill going as strong as it did on day, one for several days. How many departments does it take to install a new light bulb and how many months will it take? So how long will this take?
          My theory is the disaster isn’t bad enough yet and Obama needs it to be a lot worse so he can enforce the moratorium and hurt our economy even more.

          • Jana

            Hey they got the ok to do cap it and they are doing it now. Wow. I am actually holding my breath.

    • marilyn

      Greed individually and collectively caused a lot of the problems. Love of the almighty Dollar. The housing industry was spurred on by Acorn demands, and other groups to help people get housing that they ouldn’t afford. These efforts afforded Barney Frank[D] and Chris Dodd[D] walking away with millions. Pres. Bush wasn’t perfect, had to deal with 911 2 wars and that didn’t help. He spent too much true. The Democratic party has had control over the Senate and House of Rep. since 2006. They make the laws. Pres. Obama and this Democratic legislature have tripled the Deficit and are destroying our nation with their socialist views and politics. They need to slow down and stop spending. The pres. and Congress could cut millions each year withen their on depts. Like N. Polosi’s new office almost 20,000 per month rental on the taxpayers. $100.00 a lb. Colby beef served at whitehouse, while the the rest of America can hardly afford chicken.

      • Ruby

        not even chicken…try sausage

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Boy, is it ever so easy to play the victim. So convenient to always be able to blame someone else for your downfall. Bush wasnt perfect, but what a credit as a man and as a president he was to this community organizer that doesnt have a clue what to do, but point fingers. I mean, come on, its going on two years, and still I have seen no indication of a direction, of a plan, of any kind of action by this administration, other than to point fingers. They have blown up unemployment from 4.5 percent to over 10, and soon to rise again when they kill the tax cuts Bush put into place. And still blind followers like you follow this pied piper over the cliff, all the while pointing your fingers blaming others. Do you remember the mess Bill Clinton left, when Bush came in? His admin never stood there pointing the fingers and placing blame. No maam. They rolled up their sleeves and went to work, and soon this country had the most people ever working at one time in history, the lowest unemloyment levels ever, the highest marks the stock market ever had seen, and at his worst it was better than Clintons economy at its best. And you want to give this guy a free pass, because he plays Frenchman and stands there waving the white surrender flag, giving up, and blaming Bush/Cheney/Halliburton for everything. He is not a leader. He may be able to organize gangs in Chicago, you know, his legal thug gangs. But thats the extent of his talents. Even his own party is tiring of him, and you watch, they wont even let him run for re-election. He will be thrown under the bus by then, so they can give Hillary a chance, since Obama is totally un-electable. And uneducated voters like yourself continue to back him. Unbelievable.

      • http://PLD Tommy

        well said Bush was not perfect bt anymeans Billy boy did leave him a big mess and as you stated GW never blamed anyone he dealt with the issues
        Don’t forget his second term he had to deal with Democats holding Congress. Along with the negative press through out his terms.

        • Norm

          Billy left Bush a big mess like 3 years of budget surpluses. The Bas–rd!

          • JeffH

            Normy, an FYI for you…Clinton clearly did not achieve a surplus and he didn’t leave President Bush with a surplus. So why do they say he had a surplus? As is usually the case in claims such as this, it has to do with Washington doublespeak and political smoke and mirrors.
            While not defending the increase of the federal debt under President Bush, it’s curious to see Clinton’s record promoted as having generated a surplus. It never happened. There was never a surplus and the facts support that position. In fact, far from a $360 billion reduction in the national debt in FY1998-FY2000, there was an increase of $281 billion.
            Under Clinton, in no year did the national debt go down, nor did Clinton leave President Bush with a surplus that Bush subsequently turned into a deficit. Yes, the deficit was almost eliminated in FY2000 (ending in September 2000 with a deficit of “only” $17.9 billion), but it never reached zero–let alone a positive surplus number. And Clinton’s last budget proposal for FY2001, which ended in September 2001, generated a $133.29 billion deficit. The growing deficits started in the year of the last Clinton budget, not in the first year of the Bush administration.

          • DaveH

            Norm should know better as I’ve posted this link many times. But then, I do realize that he won’t read anything that might upset his Liberal applecart. The budget deficit was eliminated not because of Clinton; it was eliminated in spite of Clinton:

          • http://PLD Tommy

            yeah Norm by raising our taxes cutting back on the military and him and his dot com buddies got rich off of it.

          • http://PLD TomD

            it was all smoke and mirrors check your sources
            and don’t take the last sip of the koolaide its back wash

    • JC

      Blah blah blah…Bush Bush Bush…
      Don’t know if you’ve noticed, but hasn’t been the President for a while now. We now have a Kenyan Imposter who is very busy running America, its values and its economy into the ground and blaming (yup! you guessed it) George Bush for everything, including the eclipse of the moon.
      How can people be so totally blind as not to see exactly what His Highness is doing? (Oh yeah!…public education)

      • eddie47d

        Hey! Your stealing my line! Anyway,stop being so paranoid about Bush’s name being brought up. It’s all apart of history just like the Hoover issue. Cheney blamed everyone who didn’t agree with him and that took some of the heat off of Bush. Bush made some bad decisions,especially since he had a surplus to work with. He also used the 9/11 issue on everything he said or did. Obama inherited debt (and also has created more). That’s just the facts of politics.

        • JeffH

          Bush didn’t have a surplus…see my references above…

          • coal miner


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          • coal miner


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          • JeffH

            coal miner, that’s straight off the Clinton White House website…who ya gonna call? Ghostbuster! My reference stands firmly on it’s own merit…not on the politically manipulated merit of a politician like Slick Willy!

        • coal miner
          • coal miner


            Clinton indeed had a surplus when he left office.

          • Jana

            coal miner,
            No matter how many times you say it, it doesn’t make it true!

          • Ellen

            coal miner: is not a reliable site. If you read any of what they tried to peddle as facts regarding the census, you would realize that they are merely shills. I have had first-hand experience and know their information is untruthful. They offer some truth but have enough lies to cause me to dismiss them out of hand.

          • Average Joe

            coal miner,

            Clinton increased the debt by 54% or Two Trillion dollars. Therefore, could not possibly run a surplus. I hope this helps you to understand the differnce between debt and deficit.


    • Weezie

      Wake up Sally

    • Glenn Rung

      You are partially right. Actually, this story began in 1913 when the Federal Reserve was created–their job has always been to inflate fiat currency (despite their contentions to the contrary). A few years later President Wilson decided to enter America into competition for the “Imperial Crown” when he elected to involve this country in WW1. This war caused the Fed to pump out money uncontrollably and setup the dominos to begin falling in 1929 when the Stock Market Crash occurred. FDR’s failed policies (much like Obama’s today) prolonged the agony of millions because he decided that Keynes had the right strategy for “fixing” the economy. Had FDR used more of a “hands-off” approach, the depression would not have taken so long to end. Allowing free market mechanisms to correct imbalances work much better than government interventions.

      In 1933, FDR decided to make ownership of gold illegal for American citizens. Six months after this executive order, he decided to devalue the dollar by 75% when he increased the gold-to-dollar price from $20 to $35. This allowed to Fed to increase creativity with the printing presses, but the depression continued to slog through time with no real end to the economic malaise. So to end the depression, FDR found a way to get us involved in WW2. He ordered ships to blockade fuel shipments to Japan, thus starving their war machine (kind of similar to what Obama is doing to Iran today). In essence, this was like poking a rattle snake with a stick. He provoked an incident (the Pearl Harbor bombing) to jolt the American public from its isolationist desires so that we would, supposedly, preserve Democracy. This war ended the Great Depression and ushered America onto the World Stage as a Super Power. This, of course, cost lots of money to maintain—100% of all Imperial Powers throughout history have collapsed economically and our situation is no different.

      As we continued to support our “Guns & Butter” ideology, our country’s wealth was drained. In 1971, when the French started draining our gold stores with our deflating dollars, President Nixon closed the Gold Window to foreigners and this allowed the Fed to print as much money as it wanted out of thin air. Actually, this defining act was America’s official default on its debt. Gold reserves were meant to be the economic balancing agent to prevent countries from squandering their wealth under threat removal of their Gold Stash. The Gold Standard was and is the only way to maintain a responsible banking system.

      Our efforts in maintaining our World Power base has resulted in this nation’s insolvency. Pushing the debt envelope was the only way to maintain this power, but the rest of the world is beginning to wake up to the fact that America is a bankrupt nation that is being funded by foreigners. This is why other nations are decreasing support for our debt financing. This is also why the Fed is monetizing the debt. This is all going to end in tears for most of us.

      So, getting back to your assertion that this is Bush II’s fault. You are partially correct for the part he played during his administration. But in totality, every president since President Wilson (and possibly Teddy Roosevelt) has had a part to play in what we are facing today. Nixon increased the intensity of the fire when he closed the Gold Window to the rest of the world in 1971. Neither Republican nor Democrat has done a thing to decrease government debt spending. Debt cannot grow in perpetuity—it must end someday and that end. I fear is very close-within the next year or two!!

      Got gold & silver—the only real money? Fiat currency has always been a poor money substitute.

    • Robin, Arcadia, IN

      Sally Ride… Sweetie.. The economy is in horrible shape. It is time to stop blaming Bush. Either your boy can fix it, or he can’t. He has Congress on his side, unlike President Bush did his last two years in office. If they can’t do it now, they can’t do it! His plans suck. This health insurance bill was a waste of time and money. Mine has went up 36% since Barry and his buddies intervened. I am sure it would have went up some, but 36% is a pretty hefty hike! And where are the jobs? I personally do not know of one person who has benefited from the stimulus money purposed for jobs. What kind of support are you suggesting? First born, quart of blood?

    • TIME

      Sally before I hit the road today I have to comment on your truly mindless post. Holy Crap are you really that stupid?

      From day one of Barry Seotoro’s November 08 win we have lost nearly 10 million jobs.
      Can you fathom that?
      Can you fathom that every day thousands of small buisness are closing their doors?
      Can you grasp that people who used to give to Charitys / 501 C 3 have all but stopped, as in most are out begging for 1/16 of what they used to have free flowing?
      Do you grasp that these funds helped countless thousands of people who either could not pay for Medical help, or cloths, or their bills. So now these people are having to go to a Government aid center.

      By the way Sally, if the Tax payer based dries up who do you think will be paying for Government aid centers? Can you really be that stupid?

      Wake up before you find your Mustang don’t Ride Sally ride no longer, All you gota do Sally, is think Sally Think, The picture is as clear as a bright light in a dark sky.

      • Christin

        I agree…except I don’t think crap is holy.
        Ha, ha… Have a great day.

      • eddie47d

        Sallys post was just as important as yours. Calling people stupid is ,well,stupid. You don’t walk on water with all of your comments even though you think you do.

        • vsop4u

          hey eddie,
          sally’s comment was silly and uninformed, but your’s was stupid and mindless.

      • jimjimny

        Oct 07 IS WHEN THE SH*T HIT THE FAN. Two unfunded Wars and Tax cuts for the wealthy gave you a trillion dollar deficit. Record National Debt and record Current Account Deficit. You cannot even blame Bush the real culprit was given a heart device today. I am unlucky enough to own a 1997 6.5 Chevy Silverado that truck says everything about the state of the USA.

    • CJ

      Sally, you are delusional, and you are completely ignorant of historical facts. Also, how much longer do you think you can you keep blaming Dubya for Obummer’s failures? Who will you blame when the economy is even worse after 4 years of the Great Community Organizer who never had a real job in his life?

    • coal miner

      Sally Ride,

      You are right,Bush is to blame. · Cached page

      • AH

        Perfect twist and spin

      • Christin

        I’m having a good laugh this morning at all your posts… thanks!

        Sally Ride you should probably have a (foreign) beer summit with coal miner… and then GO to a socialist country where progressives rule… we don’t want that here in America. Let FREEDOM ring.

        The Fed is UNCONSTITUTIONAL… time to abolish it… they won’t even let us audit them… guess they have much to hide.

      • Jana

        Yes, coal miner,
        And so is Bugs Bunny. It’s all their fault. Obama hasn’t had a thing to do with it.If you are that gullible I have some fools gold for sale, cheap.

      • rwnut

        coal miner…Huffington Post? No wonder you’re always delusional.

    • Frank

      You’re on glue!

    • Steve

      Salli Ride I don’t know what you been smoking but I’ll have 3 of them, if that is what your progressive brain thinks . Liberalisim has been running this country for the last 60 yerars and may I ask where are we . WE are in or going back to the trash if the people with their heads scewed on wright don’t make a change in November.

    • CJ

      Sally, before you make an uneducated comment, read your history. The early government “made” money by taking land by treaty or whatever means (manifest destiny). When they started to run out of land and the GOLD resources it held, they devalued the currency by switching to silver. When that started to run low, they figured a way to “scam” the population out of it with taxes. When that stopped working, they made paper (fiat) money and the Federal Reserve. As that slowed, they created the Ponzi scheme you may call Social Security. They can keep tweaking it, but now only by raising taxes. Cutting expenses is not in their vocabulary… But eventually they run out of resources. We are near that end.

      • eddie47d

        C.J., Social Security is not perfect and it was never meant to be.Only a supplement to regular savings or pensions. So it’s hardly a scam(maybe mismanaged). I know it’s another Republican talking point your all suppose to be on board on. Since the majority of Americans don’t save much money what would you expect them to live on? Now remember a good chunk of our citizens don’t have money to invest in the stock market. That can be an even bigger looser anyway. What about those who can’t save because of low wages? When they turn 62 should they go on welfare?

        • vsop4u

          fess up eddie, you are really a writer for mad magazine; right. social security was never meant to be a supplement. lord keynes convinced fdr that there was too much capital and ssi was meant to waste some of that capital. as to your question about a non-investor going of welfare when they retire, that’s what they do it’s called ssi. duh!

        • vicki

          Eddie47. I am reminded of the story of the ant and the grasshopper. In this country where millions of LEGAL immigrants have come over and done very well with the opportunities afforded ALL citizens I find it interesting that you think there are many who can’t survive on their own. Why can’t they? Too busy buying into the victim mentality?

          • JeffH

            vicki, as fast eddie should. Afterall, he’s a victim of his own mind…lol!

    • Craig TX

      Sally, please stop repeating the tripe of the lamestream media. If you’ll recall, the congress has been run by the Democrats since 2006. Also, Bush tried to get some regulation of the Fannie Mae/Freddy Mac disaster-in-waiting. Unfortunately, he didn’t persist long enough to bring about change. The financial crisis is largely a result of “compassionate” liberals forcing banks to extend mortgages to people who had no chance of making the payments.

      I’m not a fan of Bush, but blaming everything on him, even when the Democrats started and extended the problem is just either plain ignorance or disingenuous rhetoric.

    • SAL


      Obampa is the worst person EVER to be allowed to be in our country.

      My money is going DOWN the hill. Damn him and his buddys.

    • klink

      So Sally what was Obama elected for? to solve the problem that GW created or to sit it out and make it worst? Which of Obama’s policy worked to solve the situation?

      If you can’t blame the present without blaming the past then there’s no one to blame everything is honky dory.

    • David

      There is a lot of truth to what Sally wrote. The republican/conservatives made this mess, not President Obama, and, for self-serving political reasons, are obstructing him at every turn. He is in good faith and genuinely attempting to clean up the mess. It raises hypocrisy to an art form for those responsible for the mess to both appose and to complain that he isn’t cleaning it up fast enough.
      Deficits? What about the deficits the republican/conservatives gave the country? What about the unpaid for two wars? What about the unpaid for huge tax breaks for the wealthiest among us? The list of republican/conservative incompetence goes on and on. If your house is on fire, would you stop applying water to put it out because the pyromaniacs who started it are complaining that the water bill is getting too high?

      President Bush introduced TARP, not President Obama! And, my extremely partisan republican/conservative friends, WE ARE MAKING A LOT OF INTEREST OFF THAT MONEY, AND EVEN MORE WHEN THE CAR INDUSTRY WE SAVED PAYS IT BACK ALSO.

      If your house is on fire, would you stop putting water on it to put it out because the water bill is getting high?

      • Lee

        Don’t blame the Republicans entirely! There was another party there who could have made some comments, but didn’t! Then after 2006, everything President Bus did was questioned, not only by the Democrats, but by his own party!

      • veronica

        What Obama is doing is blaming the other guys. You got sucked into his pretty words Hope ad Change I will make sure every one has the same little utopia. And you fell for it . When were you brain washed in school or in our fine leftist political college’s. We can live by their laws. To hell with the constitution. For example the illegals thay are breaking our laws but that’s ok. They drive without a licence,they commit crimes and are let go, their driving our wages down, getting welfare, taking American jobs. No send them back. How about we all pick and chose which laws we want to abide by it works for them. Or let’s tax the crap out of our citizens for their meaning less spending. If they want energy let them pay big for it. I live in the midwest it gets cold here should I have to live without heat? Cap and trade is a scam set into motion by Al Gore. He’s a billionare who uses more power then most of us. Or health care for all how about we keep the health we have and help pay for those who need it. I could go on and on. But I hope you vote this dumbocrat party out in 2010 and 2012. Before this country becomes a socialist nation.

    • David

      Please remember it is the Central Bank’s (a.k.a. the Federal Reserve – the great printer of fiat money) doing that caused the crash of 29.

    • brnagn

      The stock market crash in 1929 didn’t cause the ‘great depression’.. neither did Hoover regardless of his party affiliation. The depression was purposely arrived at by a tightening of the money supply in circulation by the Federal Reserve, and those who control it, across the years of 1929 through 1933.

    • alpha-lemming

      I’ll only give you half credit. Yes, Presidents have lasting impact on the country whether policy or SCOTUS appointees. Bill Clinton is a rock star to left, still, because of the wave of prosperity he rode from Reagans’ policies. He/they squandered it by overspending, (not just on existing government but also on the documented INCREASED revenues) but they still rode the wave!! Socialist/Marxist policies ALWAYS hurt the country whether its FDR prolonging the Great Depression, Reproglican big-gov pols (Bushes, McCain etal) with Stim-1, drug give aways etc, or the current crop of Obamunists which makes them all look like AJ Carnegie compared to Chairman ObaMao!!. Remember “The blessing of Communism is its’ equal distribution of misery”.

      • vicki

        Another VERY important thing to remember about communism is this simple statement

        “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his need”

        Sounds really good till you really think about it. Just assuming there is some infallible method of deciding ability and need there is still a big gotcha.

        As evidenced by the world of technology around us the combined ability of a portion of the world has created a great wealth.

        As evidenced by the third world lifestyles we see the need is VERY SMALL. So who gets to collect the difference between what our abilities create and our lives REALLY need.

        Not what we THINK we need. What we REALLY need.

        All humans need is food, water, protection from the elements.
        EVERYTHING ELSE is desire (want).

        So who keeps the surplus and for what purpose?

        We know the answer. History of communist countries over the last 100+ years clearly show who got the surplus. It wasn’t the people. They got what they needed. Just what they needed and little else.

    • Palin12

      Wrong Sally, it was the recklessness of Bawney Fwank and Chris Dodd that got us where we are today, both progressive Dumbocrats.

    • Mr Smith

      Did another Dumbocrap say Bush…YAWNNNNNNNN……where’s the change?

    • v lane

      FDR was as bad as Hoover. He led us into a country where people think the government owes them and is the answer to our woes. The federal government, of course, is cumbersome, ineffective, inefficient and always in the way of real practical answers. He was the beginning of a welfare state and a lack of accountability among Americans.



    • Hugh Jordin

      I’m no Obama fan, but Sally is correct. Bush & company fathered the current mess. Everyone seems to forget that W entered office with a $4.5 billion surplus. His unfunded wars and lame brain policies brought us to where we are today. No one wants to hear about blaming Bush, but let’s be honest. Obama is hardly helping, but it cannot be denied that he inherited a pile of problems from the previous administration.

      That’s why conservatives need intelligent leadership with real vision, real aptitude, and an ability to articulate the message clearly and HONESTLY to the voters.

      If conservatives latch onto media tabloid darlings like Palin and Bachman, we are in for a disappointment. Dullardry becomes all too obvious and the voters are tired of dolts in high places.

      Media phonies like Glen Beck are not helping. They just make the conservative message sound hypocritical and disingenuous as they cry and rant like phoney evangelist preachers.

      Let’s find some genuinely smart conservative leaders and get them on the ticket.

    • Libby

      Seriously, pull your head out of your ass and take a good look around!

      • Claire

        The downfall of the American economy is not one-sided. Both parties have contributed towards this economic disaster. This problem has been going on and on for many years. It is a shame some people do not realize this. This mess didn’t happen overnight. It has been created by the Democrats AND the Republicans. I no longer point a finger at any one person or party, especially since all of them had a hand in this disaster.

    • American Citizen

      Hide your head in the sand. You’re in for a terrific butt kick.

    • Anthony

      Sally -

      Define which GW Bush’s actions that Obama has reversed?

      • Ellen

        Anthony: superb question!

    • Richard Pawley

      If FDR was so wonderful why did two thirds of the States vote, as soon as he died, to amend the Constitution, to never again allow anyone to be president more than two terms? It was not because they loved him! Scholars believe that the world wide Depression was only “The Great Depression” HERE because of all the useless spending and unconstitutional acts and laws that FDR passed that made it last much longer (sound familiar?). FDR was a progressive. He even proposed a new Constitution. Once the people agreed to rob the rich for all the goodies they were the ones who got robbed with big inflation, the most secret of taxes. I rememeber seeing my uncle buy gas when I was a child for 16.9 cents a gallon and I myself purchased gasoline at 23.9 cents a gallon 45 years ago in the south before we had to pay for the Vietnam war. People were hungry during the Great Depression but prices were low so FDR had the farmers pour milk in the streets and hogs were slaughtered in an attempt to make prices go up. Congress today is doing all they can, spending everything they can, to try to create inflation which will greatly help the banks, but it isn’t working – YET! When it does you will rather suddenly be paying three times as much for food as you do now. Sadly, because of the time lag, the next president may get blamed for it but it always the House and the Senate who pass all these laws and taxes. Well, at least now you know. My sources say it can’t be stopped or rather that those who could do the things necessary (Congress) won’t, and the people who would have to tighten their belt to pay off the national debt won’t stand for it so they will go broke, along with the rest of the country when the terrible inflation kicks in. We always blame the president but it is always Congress who is responsible. If we get a mostly new Congress in November, things will get worse, BUT IF WE DON’T THEY WILL BE FAR, FAR, WORSE, SO MUCH SO YOU WOULDN’T BELEIVE IT IF I TOLD YOU. Several hundred thousand Americans are doing what they can to prepare for these terrible times that are coming. Some are praying, tens of thousands are leaving the country (but where are things better?) England has only one job for every 75 recent college graduates! Six out of seven that I asked “why they were leaving” told me it was the economy and only one in seven said it was the declining morality. Believers need to pray and everyone needs to vote, for more of the same until we are broke or true patriots, Tea Party Conservatives who know that being out of debt and paying as you go is the only way to freedom. Being a slave to China or whoever will foolishly loan Congress the money to keep spending it will result in the next generation fighting in WWIII or working all their lives just to pay the interest on the debt. Perpetual economic slaves. It’s going to be interesting. Vote in November like your life depended on it. Your children’s will! It’s NOVEMBER OR NEVER! May God bless the USA – no one else is going to do so!

    • John Woodbury

      Sally, put the Kool-aid down, pick up any newspaper from 2004 to 2008 and read about how Barney(up yours)Frank and friends screamed that Fannie and Freddy were just fine. Backed by the democratic controlled congress; first Bush then McCain were told to get lost. Still if Saudi Arabia had not up the oil prices in the summer of 2008 the house of cards would not have fallen. But do you not find it even a little curious that the two recessions (2004, 2008) were election years? Also I find it curious that this year the oil cartel dampened the price when it should have risen. Please, become a bit more informed before writing nonsense to a site where the vast majority of the people are educated.

    • William

      you’r STUPID,

    • Delores Smith

      Read the Cloward-Piven strategy. Obama has made our country into a man-made disaster. Forget Bush…study Obama.
      Delores Smith

    • Don Jones ww2 vet

      It is very plain you have not studied history and
      you are basing your openion on the left wing media
      who by the way are totally ignorant.
      I grew up with Roosevelt, Progressive Socialists
      WPA NRA and others which were design to keep every
      one in poverty. but thank you for your letter.
      you do have an openion, even if it is wrong
      Don D.

    • J Ammons

      Ms Ride

      Please review your history and you will note that FDR and Wilson both used the same tactics as Obama and recession and depression persisted. If it was not for WWII and the manufacturing machine of the US we would not have recovered as well. Large government requires more money to be taken out of the public sector which limits growth and people have less discretionary money to spend. Buying begits manufacturing begits growing economy begits more revenue for the government to handle those in need. I do not want the government telling me how to eat, dress, what car to driver. That is Fascism, leading to communism. Study your history and compare to Obama’s policies today. I am a College graduate in Political Science so don’t say I’m wrong. You are an intelligent woman. Read your history.

    • Roy Trueman

      What Planet are you from? Have you been sleeping for the last couple of years. The crap you have stuffed your ears with has gone all the way in.

    • formayor

      I do agree the President Bush has to take blame for the conditions in our economy but we might as well throw President Clinton, Reagan, and Carter in the mix for their support of the community reinvestment act (especially changes made under Clinton) and Over the Counter Derivatives (search for OTC derivatives at PBS Frontline show also exposed during the Clinton presidency and belittled by the Fed). The major player to blame that almost always gets a pass is the Federal Reserve. FDR did nothing to help our country out of a Great Depression. He was the most tyrannical president in our history (I am sure Bush and Obama are a close second and third) with internment camps, confiscation of gold, withholding of taxes and implementation of a socialized economy. If you think an economic policy that allows for earnings to be given to shareholders and losses shared by taxpayers then PRESBO is your man. Thank God PRESBO cannot stay in office for 4 terms to fundamentally change our country like FDR.

    • Roy Trueman


      What Planet are you from? Have you been sleeping for the last couple of years. The crap you have stuffed your ears with has gone all the way in.

    • Lizzie

      Isn’t it a bit convenient to blame George Bush for everything that has happened to this country? When will it stop? Obama is supposedly in charge and has done nothing except stiffle corporate investment and job hires. The Blame Bush scenario has gone on for far too long. Obama has done nothing….nada….nyet. All those who think Obama is doing a great job, just wait until cap & tax (oops, cap & trade), an easy path to citizenship and all the economic entitlements that come with it which Obama wants in order to garner more votes for Democrats, more profligate spending by those in Congress, etc. Obamacare? What a hoax. Climate change? Another hoax. Does he let in ships to help with the oil spill on a timely basis which may be an infraction of the Jones Act? Nyet. Does he help spur small business? Nyet. The so-called financial reform bill? Just another way for banks to take it out on folks who will have higher charges on their bank statements for going to a teller at a bank! Bank statements mailed to you? Another charge. You want to use your debit card and take money out from an ATM? Another charge. This guy is a sick joke perpetrated on the American public…and some voted for this charlatan without knowing or trying to find out what he’s all about…it was right there for anyone to see but the doltish public believed the rhetoric. Remember the gal who was so gleeful about not having to pay her mortgage or car loan when he was elected? I wonder if she’s out on the street yet or just struggling along like the rest of us.

    • Ed

      Blaming Bush for everything is getting real old. This is Obama’s economy and Obama’s fault.

    • K. D. M.

      The Bush blame game is getting pretty old. Democrats never take responsibility for their actions, always have to blame someone else. That’s what is wrong with our society these days, no one takes responsibility for there own actions.

    • Linda Lester

      Facts this was a mess before Oboma and it will be a mess when he leave. The problem is that the people shouldh have been saying something eight years before he got elected and just possible it might not have gotten to this. Think about it with you have to take over a project that is already in a mess and you do not have a quick fix and the was not a bandage fix

    • Anita

      FDR invested in a real physical economy dams, roads, bridges….Obama invests in bailing out the bankers who lost a quadrillion in mortagages, derivatives…paper…..we need to invest in the future…first getting rid of the derivative debt….just that alone would free up money to invest in real jobs…high speed rail system, going to Mars…(for every dollar we invested in going to the moon we got 40 back)…..but with obama we’ll get destruction of NASA and carbon taxes and obama healthcare that determines who gets care and who doesn’t…just like the British plan…we are going backwards in life…back to being British controlled … banking, news media BP instead of American corp drilling….

    • Brenda

      Sally Ride,

      You need need a history lesson–and not the history that the liberals/progressives want you to believe, either. Find out what really happened when Americans woke up. Do your own homework.

      Why do you think there are term limits for the President? Thank FDR.

    • Dr. Brian Bruck

      Sally, your diatribe is typical of left wing loons that do not take facts into consideration. It was the Clinton administration along with Barney Frank, Dodd, Waters, etc. that created the housing debacall known as Fannie and Freddie. John Mc Cain was instrumental in bringing the facts out that these lending practices of giving ANYONE A HOME LOAN, regardless of their income or ability to repay. The dems own this problem and Obama’s bailout have worsened the problem. I will loose my home but my contingency plans will not leave me homeless. Take responsibility and move on. “O”, by the way GWBush has not been in the White House for 18 mos. As for government controlled health care, name 1 action that the Feds have undertaken that has been a success except for our military. Look at Canada & British health care. Why do you suppose these folks come to the US for therapy. As a health care professional for the past 44 years, I have already seen the hand of govt. encroaching on my decision making for the benefit of my patients. You, Sally, are a typical uninformed left winger that has absolutely -0- regard for fact. You live in an un-educated over oppinionated bubble that still blames Halliburton and the Bush administration for the problems created by the real perpitrators. If you hate these folks so much, try putting water in your gas tank and see how far you can travel. Those that perpetrated the 9/11 attacks will not let up until they are soundly defeated. Look @ history loon, good eventually always prevails over evil, FACT.
      Your disdain for our military reveals total ignorance for fact and is spread by the liberal media that has long lost any true credence for factual new reporting. Freedom is not free without OUR WONDERFUL FOLKS IN THE MILITARY. Support our country, don’t just bury your head in the sand. Our military if fighting for your right to be stupid. Have a great day.

    • Matt V

      Sally ride is out of her mind if Hussein Obama signs any bill raising taxes like a cap and trade bill which will be passed on to the consumer or raises taxes on corporatins which will also be passed on to the consumer since big corporations never pay those type of taxes we will have a graet depression.

    • Daniel Hollywood

      Dear Miss Ride,

      If you’ll please go back to the History of the Depression Era, you’ll see that the mechanisms put in place by FDR lenghtened the Depression, He created Government funded jobs that eventually ran dry and created no jobs in the private sector, the only difference is Obama is creating permanent Government Jobs which will increase the deficit and hurt the private sector. The only thing that ended the Depression was World War II, Private Companies manufacturing the amraments to win the War.

      Quit making excuses for the incompetent we now have in the White House, all of you Elitists kiseed the ground he walked on, as well as the Media. His Educational background is questionable as is his knowledge of the Constitution, he has no business experience and no idea of how to get people back to work, so lets just blame George W Bush. You tend to forget that when Bush left office unemployment was 4.7%, The housing bubble crisis was caused by a Democratic Congress saying we must make Homes available to people who cannot afford to buy Homes.

      The only History you people believe is today and you are to blind to realize what is happening before your very eyes, wake up before the Liberites you currently have that were earned by the Blood of our Veterans disappear before your very eyes.

    • Doug Reiber

      Clueless liberal. Just what you would expect.

    • possum

      Mrs. Ride, methinks you are having too much cool aid. Hoover did begin the depression. Franklin really pushed us further off the table. The war is what brought us back. Plesae listen to an older much older opinion.

    • Don

      Perhaps Ms. Ride you need to do a little studying and get your facts correct. The financial crisis in which we now find ourselves was precipitated by the housing mortgage fiasco which was caused by Carter and Clinton when they pushed “affordable housing” to the extent banks and lending institutions were encouraged to make unsustainable loans. Early in his administration President Bush recognized this (2003) and tried to do something about it by reigning in Freddie Mac and Fannie May. He was blocked by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, aided by Nancy Pelosi.

    • VFW John

      Sally, Sally. I cannot decide whether it is your syntax or just gross mispelling by your use of reckless where recklessness should have been used. But, then again, there you are stuck-on-stupid claiming it is all “Dubya’s” fault. Check your facts and and you will find a democratically controlled congress at the root of the problem and behind the “greatest giveaways” since the founding of this country.
      Helping Obama, as you so sincerely request, is tantamount to aiding and abetting a criminal enterprise. No thanks!


      It is not the economy, stupid. It is the integrity of the person and of the office that is at stake. I will live in a cave before I will vote or support dishonesty, liers such as in the cabinet and other appointees. As the USA burns, the fiddler is also adding fuel to the flames. Read and heed Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin on predicting the collapse of a democracy.

      • Ellen

        Phillip: and while you’re at it, read what the founding fathers had to say about democracies…..they detested democracies and did their utmost to ensure that ours would be a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. We do not have democracy.

        We do not have a democracy.

    • Pazer

      Oh, PLEASE… enough of GWB’s fault!! When will any of you ever get it? It’s OUR fault!…We The People’s fault. We go to the voting booth and pull the lever; or, don’t go to the polls at all. No one else. We do(or don’t). We elect people to office to represent us (at all levels of government), without knowing WHO THEY ARE. We do not do our “due diligence”. Our politicians have gotten out of control because they CAN. We have the power to elect or not elect. We must exercise our power. We must elect officials that will do what WE want, not what THEY want. We must send the message… if we elect you to office, we expect you to do what you say you will…what we WANT you to do. If not, we will replace you. We must impose term limits. We must stop the “career politicians”. If two terms are good enough for the president, two terms should be good enough for the Senate and the House of Representatives. Time to wake up America!

    • LadyM

      Oh boy! Just keep drinking that Kool Aid cause you’ll need it when we’re all in the poor house. You can’t keep blaming Dubya for everything. I agree he wasn’t the best president, but he’s not here anymore and what we have now will surely destroy this country before we get them thrown out of office. But you keep drinking that Kool Aid and eventually you’ll die of thirst.

    • jeanne B

      Sally and Michael,
      How about we just let George Soros rule the world? You two are so lame, all you speak of is in sound bites.
      And I ‘m sure Obama can do no wrong even though he never ran a business had a private sector job in his life. Yea we need Sharia law here like we all need a good case of herpes, and believe me this is what obama wants. Good bye freedom. He has given us change ….to a Marxist society. Congratulations jerks

    • Nancy null O’Hara

      Short of the facts that Hoover was almost as progressive as FDR, and that the Democrats controlled Congress from 2006, I find your analysis quite accurate. The only thing missing is objectivity and a command of history.

    • magnolia

      Point the finger at President Bush! Right! He had the guts to go after the terrorists because Slick Willy didn’t when they tried to bomb in the financial district of NYC. Oh no, let’s go back to Turman and Eisenhower….no let’s go back to Washington who defended this Great Nation against a tyrannical king.
      If we are to defend this country from terrorists, foreign AND DOMESTIC, go after terrorists… is BO doing that? No, he’s kissing their rings and other things!
      Point all the fingers you want, but when you do, remember there are three fingers pointing pack at you.
      My daddy always told me that when you look for someone to blame, look in the mirror.

      • Ellen

        Terrorists???? The more you repeat this lie, the more power you give our criminal government to take away MORE of our rights in exchange for supposed security. Our government is the damned terrorist. They’ve perpetrated these events to keep the sheeple bleating in terror and willing to hand anything over just to be “protected” from the evil terrorists. This is the oldest gambit in the world.

        Any retaliation that we’ve rightfully received for attacking so many people has been well-deserved. But even those events are spun to appear as though we’re being attacked because we’re such good people and people are jealous of us and our way of life. Really? How about we get the hell out of other’s affairs and mind our own business? Wake up and learn what really happened on 9/11 and all the other supposed terrorist events. Our history is replete with such events.

    • http://yahoo don

      You must be kidding!!Thats why the 2 nd. amm. came into play to keep pres. from more than 2 terms..

      • http://yahoo don

        Listen. All of you people that voted for Obama.You should come to terms with the fact that he is a socialist radical.If i apply for a job and the person before me was fired for really messing things up and i make it even worse, is it the guys fault before me or is it mine.?(SNAP OUT OF IT).

    • http://msn Joe Melton

      You are wrong. It was the Clinton who start all this mess. It was him who push to have people bey home their could not pay for. The start of the fall was that promble. No way can you stand behind obama and support him as he is not a American so he can not be President.

      • Ellen

        Joe Melton: you need to go back much further in our history to point the finger of blame. The really bad stuff began in 1913 with the Federal Reserve and the IRS. However, it is the shadowy figures behind these events and our whole government that really are the evil culprits. They’ve worked very hard to keep their existence out of public knowledge for so long but as many have said, we ARE awakening to what is and has been occurring. Dig deeper and go down some rabbit holes. I guarantee that you will come out the other side a changed man and a much wiser one. There are many rabbit holes to explore.

        • Peter Pepper


          Here’s a quote from the New York Times dated September 30, 1999

          “In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirementson lonesthat will purchasefrom banks and other lenders.
          …Fannie Mae, the nations biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the CLINTON ADMINISTRATION to expand mortgages lones among low andmoderate income peoplew and felt pressure from stockholders to maintain it’s phenomenal groweth in profits —unquote.

          This was espoused by none other than Obama, Cris Dodds, and Barney FRank.

          So lay the blame where it belongs

    • csiebert

      You obviously flunk history in high school nor took macro economics in college.


    • Sally S.

      Albeit, Bush was an atrocious leader (pushed into service by his father’s ego). But completely destroying the economy leaving America so far in debt it may never recover, putting hundreds of thousands out of work, and some homeless, taking over Healthcare with a remedy that has failed in other Countries, when slapping the wrists of those that have abused a truly wonderful system would suffice. Allowing illegal aliens to overrun our Country and deplete our coffers without paying a dime into them. No, he is not doing justice to the American Citizens. OPEN YOUR EYES. READ, LEARN…..DON’T JUST TALK.

      • http://PersonalLibertyAlert The Real Bill

        Hey Sally read my posts and educate yourself!

    • Laura Purtell

      Are you truly that blind? OR are you as Socialistic as Obama and his buddies in power? My bet would be both. You blame Bush for all this and dare blindly suggest that Obama is blameless. Obama has already caused a substantially larger increase in the debt the Bush did in his entire tenure. Further, it will only get worse as ObamaCare comes into play.

      While I’m on that subject, if ObamaCare is so wonderful, why isn’t Obama, the House, the Senate, and all of the federal government being subjected to it? Because they know its a major pile of crap!

      Do you consider yourself patriotic? IF you do, think again, as Obama and his buddies spit on the Constitution, The Bill of Rights, and our laws on a daily basis.

      Those who differ from his views are called racists. The truth is that Obama and his cronies are racists.

      Furthermore, they promote evil by calling for Collective Salvation. And how about his buddies saying that you have to give up “Whiteness” in order to receive salvation. Stating that one must attain “Blackness” in order to be saved.

      I must have missed where the word Socialist or Socialistic appears in any of our founding documents.

      The only thing I can derive from your position is that you are an elitest, reverse discriminative, Socialist as are Obama and his cronies!

      Get a clue!

    • Nightowl872

      The ONLY thing that brought us out of the 30′s depression was world war II. FDR’s, and the democrats, programs did nothing but prolong depression!!!!!

    • John Fedak

      Right, Bush had issues with the economy going down after 9-11, I wonder why. Maybe if Obama got off his “I” kick, I am giving, I am doing not the country or we are ding he might get some support, I do not think you are looking at the Trillions of dollars our kids are going to be responsible for. We are headed for the same fate as the Europeans are, spend, spend till you drop. He is so articulate when he has a telepromptor it is scary.

      Took him over a month to reply to the Oil issues in the Gulf, his wife told America that we should make it a point to go to the Gulf to vacation, where did they go, Maine, nice place, what have we become a do as I say not as I do society?

    • Bob P.

      It is too easy to forget! There re three major factors to which I point:
      1) As I see it, the major overriding concern we had during the large bulk of the Bush term in office was safety and security. On this front, there was major success as there were no successful attacks on our homeland after the 9/11 attack. Can the succeeding administration lay the same claim?
      2) Congress has been under Democratic control since January of 2007. In as much as, via the Constitution, congress controls the purse strings. Nothing more need be said on that point.
      3) If there wss not blockage on the part of the Democratic Senators and Representatives, reforms may well have been put in motion that may have prevented the financial collapse of 2008. Doubters, go to the video tapes!

      • Ellen

        Bob P: Safety and security during Bush’s reign? Due to the false flag event of 9/11, the already-written treasonous PATRIOT Act and Homeland Security legislation were rammed through and destroyed many rights and freedoms enumerated in our Constitution and Declaration of Independence. This was planned, executed, and accomplished. Look up posse comitatus and habeas corpus…..some security and safety.

        There were no further “attacks” on the homeland following 9/11 because they accomplished just what they set out to do….take away our right and freedoms and prepare us for the next steps in our path to slavery.

        Barry Soetoro’s regime has the Gulf Oil disaster, manufactured with the goal of pushing through the crap and tax scheme. As long the administration thinks these events can be used to take more rights and freedoms from Americans they will continue to be orchestrated. And Barry has allowed this situation to greatly worsen by refusing help from other countries.

        Both republiturds and democrats have done their utmost to ruin this country by refusing to honor their sacred oaths of office. The majority of them are only interested in becoming wealthy and being re-elected to continue on the gravy train of taxpayer support while they sell us out.

    • james shelton

      Sally I’m hoping your comments are a joke. I know the whole world is full of stupid people and Satan is very skilled at decieving the unwarey. Only the blind mentel midgets cannot see this administration is destroying the country. Bush was no better but not as bad since the bushbunny didn’t have as many congressmen/women willing to sell out their country so completely.
      You must remember OB. is Muslim and believes in Sharia Law. Muslim is NOT—NOT a religion period. IT IS A WAY OF LIFE that includes Sharia Law. as a part of that law they must MUST do whatever it takes to take over the entire world convert-enslave or kill ALL non Muslim. SHEEZ wakeup

      • http://PersonalLibertyAlert The Real Bill

        Why does Obama preach out of the Old Testament instead of the New Testament like a real Christian would do? This man openly mocks God in public and no wonder with the Rev.Wright who is so wrong in the sheperding of his mortal soul.

    • http://PersonalLibertyAlert The Real Bill

      NAFTA with its pork of Fannie-Freddie Maes caused this Housing-Banking mess,Clinton-Greenspan deregulated Wall St.causing the corruption,pernament Chinese trade that has exported our jobs? George Bush II was no where near Washington D.C. when all this was implemented & there never was a trillion dollar surplus that is why Al Gore had it under a locked box…he did not want us to look inside cause nothing was there.Obama is using Keynesian Economics just like FDR which prolonged the Great Depression which officially ended after WW2.

    • Don DeSmedt

      To Sally Ride,
      You are certainly a product of public schooling.
      You may want to consider taking a history course.

      Herbert Hoover was a Republican in Progressive clothing, no conservative
      FRD did not end the depression, WW 11 did, un-employment never went below 14.6 % prior to the war
      Saul Alinsky Obama is strictly responsible for the current economic situation,with only minimum help from Bush at the end of his Presidency
      I would suggest listening to Rush and Laura and the great one to get your mind right.

    • Bob W

      You’re nuts

    • FED UP

      to Sally Ride…
      I do not know what your ethnic background is, but I can guess…
      There is no doubt that some of the problems we have today were started by Bush….BUT YOUR OSLIMA HAS DONE NOTHING TO IMPROVE THEM.

    • Bert Henry

      You couldn’t be more mistaken. It has been proven in about 4 different studies that the policies of FDR and the government extended the great depression at least 11 years and perhaps 14 years beyond what would have happened had the government done nothing. FDR promoted and pushed us into a socialistic mindset. This is being forced opnward by Obama.

    • duggy dugg

      it could be fixed in a blink ; take back the license to print money from the fed and give it back to treasury ; the government does not have to borrow all its operating funds from the ngo “fed” and others as interest bearing debt ! why doesn’t treasury print and digitally issue all currency free from interest bearing debt ????

      while ron paul tries to “audit” the fed , we should evicerate the nga “fed” a privately held bank cartel pretending to be a “central” bank , i.e. owned by the gov’t, which it is not ….not central nor owned by gov’t …yet the “fed” prints and digitally issues all u.s.dollars [federal reserve notes] not federal and not backed by any reserves….. “end the fed” – ron paul

    • Scott

      I will not even try to comment on your stupidity other than to say “I’ve had my laugh for the day.”

    • Pam

      Sally, I am embarrassed on your behalf for your obvious ignorance of history. Perhaps you should read more widely before commenting again.

    • hopalong

      What got us out of the great depression, Was world war 2. maybe thats what it is going to take, again. world war 3

    • henry Johnson

      Oh Sally, tell us what legislation Bush passed that caused the crash? Thats right you can’t because the crash happened due to banks failing. Bush did not pass any banking legislation. Banks failed because of thousands of loans that went into default. Why did so many loans go into default? Because these were “special loans” from Bill Clintons and his dem congress 1993 GSE special loans legislation. Once interest rates rose those people who never should have gotten loans started to default and that caused banks to fail, and once banks fail everything follows. Bush begged dems 17 times to regulate Democrats GSE legislation after Clintons boy Frank Raines was busted cooking Fannie’s books, still 17 times democrats claimed that GSE’s were no threat to the US economy. What idiots, anyway 12 months later everything crashed, thanks to dems legislation and thanks to dems congress not allowing regulatory oversight. Glad I could educate you.

    • Gary

      Re: Hoover and Obama. What was our debt when Hoover left and FDR started spending? How long did it take for the economy to return? How much unemployment was paid?

    • Chuck

      The Great Deprsssion was not solved by FDR he only made things worse in 1936-1937 by tax hikes etc. The natural business cycle and WW II brought back jobs, development and demand. Government spending took dollars from consumers hands and stopped what growth had begun in the business cycle before the recovery and war effort began and now Obama is repeating the same mistakes high tax, no corporate development, no new products etc and no jobs. The “stimulus” has not helped only put everyone on edge waiting for the next economic screw up by Nancy P, Harry R and B.H.Obama. All politicans shuld be required to pass an Economics 101 class before nonimation to run for office.

    • Bob

      Fdr didn’t do anything to end the depression until we were tricked into WWII.

    • Boyd H Blackwell

      A lot of misconceptions are floating around about the depression and Hoover and Roosevelt’s actions to “correct” it.
      First, Hoover didn’t do “nothing.” He was the first President who actually tried to “do something” to fix it. There was a similar stock market crash in 1920 but the government did nothing and the economy recovered in less than 2 years, leading to the “roaring 20′s”.

      Roosevelt became President in 1933 and continued Hoover’s programs, just under different names. None of them worked so Roosevelt tried some other things, and none of them worked.

      The Stock Market did not recover from the disasterous policies of Hoover and Roosevelt until 1954, when taxes were lowered from the wartime high.

      Yes, “W” was President when this economic disaster began, and like Hoover he tried to “fix” it. And like Hoover, it didn’t work. Like Roosevelt President Obama is continuing the policies of Bush, and they are not working, so they are trying something else to “fix” the problem.

      The problem with the economy is government meddling. As long as government wants to “fix” the problem businesses will not hire or expand because of the unknown nature of the future. They cannot predict what future business conditions will be, so they are scared to hire or expand because of the unknown costs of doing so.

    • Allen

      It wasn’t the Government that brought us out, it was the people. Better check your facts before you open mouth.

    • vickie

      Horse feathers!!!!!!!

    • Jesse atwell

      Michael, when Obumer walks away from our radical Muslim enemies, will they just say OK we’ll call it a day too? Your one sided approach to the war against terrorism, is in essence the same appeasement that was tried against Hitler prior to WWII. How did that work for the world then? What makes you think that the Muslim extremists will change their minds about us and the Western world? What have they done to make you think that they will become nice guys and just want to coexist? Dubya is the root of all evil to socialist democrats and everything Obumer does is the greatest. Well, go on thinking that way and the rest of us will leave you behind this November.

    • Stop reading the revisionist history books

      FDR’s programs extended the depression by 7 years according to the knowledgeable accountants. just like the scam artist in the white house is extending the recession now. The depression was ended by the start of WWll and business building the equipment to supply the troops. This recession won’t end until govenment gets out of the way and lets business rebuild what government has destroyed.

      Demogog democrats had control of congress for two full years before bush left office. If they did not like what was happening they had plenty of time to chage it while bush was still in chrage.

    • abduhla

      Bush’s fault? Can you spell Fannie Mae? Freddie Mack? Chris Dodd, Barney Franks,Maxine Waters, Charlie Rangle. The Congressional Black ‘Bigot’ Caucus.They are the ones who took your tax money and gave it to the po peoples who could not get a lone or pay it back.But they did get big houses!You can pick one up at any bank for half the original price.

    • Eddie

      You are one of the reasons I named that idiot in the white house OBLAMEO. Just like a child you blame eveybody else for whats wrong. Never take responsibility for your own actions. Now I have come up with as new name for the damn fools that follow this sub human feces. His followers are now known as OBLAMEOETTES. You nitwits think that this marxist/communist has America’s best interest at heart. Yeah right ! Everybody that voted for him collectively doesn’t possess the IQ equal to that of their shoe size. I have suggested for years that there be an intelligence test for people to have kids and to vote. We have got to eliminate the stupid people because they have no known predators. If we don’t history will repeat itself with another OBLAMEO. This country may not survive this one, thanks to idiots who voted him in. I want to personally thank you for electing somebody that in less than 2 years has nearly destroyed what it took over 200 years to create. If you like muslims that much, move to the middle east. I’m sure they will welcome you with open arms and a machete to behead you. You are female, you have no rights. You are only a notch higher than an animal to a muslim. Thats the “religion” OBLAMEO is a part of. And you have so wisely condoned it.

    • Joseph C. Moore, USN Ret.

      You are an IDIOT, but then, that is beyond your comprehension.

    • http://Juno L D Shoemaker

      Surely you are kidding! Aren’t you ? IF NOT… YOU REALLY HAVE YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND. The comparisons you cite never led this country towards Socialism and certainly never displayed the cowardness, weaknenss, and unpatriotic stance displ;ayed by Obama and his wife’!

    • Mike

      Pull your head out of your a$$, Ms. Ride. While it’s true that Bush and the Repubs in Congress spent too much on worthless initiatives like the prescription drug program, it wasn’t until the Dems took over in 2007 that everything began to fall apart. Especially the meddling by Dodd and Frank that caused the housing collapse.
      The Bush budget had a projected deficit of $160b. Your boy obama promptly ran that up to $1.4 trillion. So quit blaming Bush, quit your whining, and open your eyes to the facts. Oh yeah, that’s right, a good liberal never lets facts get in the way of their argument.

    • Marie Hay

      Remember Sally, President Bush had a Democrat congress. People forget the Dow was 14,000

    • Carl

      More Dem bullshit!

    • foundingfatherfan

      Sally Ride is misinformed. It was the Clinton administration that put presure on lending institutions to grant sub-prime loans. Do not take my word for it, but look in the New York Times archives for a 1999 article documenting this. Bush shares in the guilt for not doing enough to stop it. Both Republican and Democratic Presidents, Senators, and Congressmen have been guilty for many decades of mismanaging the federal budget while expanding the bureaucracy and power of the government far beyond what is reasonable or acceptable, ignoring the Constitution, and moving this great country step by step toward becoming another Soviet Union. If you want the USA to have a good future, check out the website of The Constitution Party. It is exactly what this country needs.

    • bdcues

      By 1934 the USA was bankrupt. In FDR’s first 10 days in office he stole all the privately held wealth(gold) from the citizens and made it illegal for them to own gold. And FDR’s policies were worse than many of the ones that Hoover inacted. We have been bankrupt ever since, no president has ever addressed the problem. So to say that Obama has simply inherited the problems that Bush 2 left behind is short sighted. These problems started in 1913 with the establishment of fiat money and no president or congress has seen fit to fix it yet. Democrat or Republican they are all in the pocket of those running the Federal Reserve. If you think that Obama’s financial policies are going to help the people than keep in mind that his cabinet pick was the x-president of the Federal Reserve Board. What people fail to realize is that unless you get rid of fiat money you will never fix the problems here and everywhere else. Without fiat money socilism is much harder to enact. Obama is going to finish bankrupting all middle/lower class citizens.

    • David in Ma.

      Ya, and Bush causes earthquakes, eclipsis & high and low tides.

      Obama does not have the ability to address the problems that is why he is leaning so far towards socialism, make everyboby equally poor by trying to tax & spend the way out of the problem.

      Hasn’t worked in other countries and it never will.

      Impeach the illegal immigrant who now sits in the presidents seat!

    • louton

      Are you sure Bush wasn’t to blame for the Great Depression?

      Despite our ancestors’ support for FDR, the New Deal( a continuation and expansion of Hoover’s statist policies), did not end the Depression. Various economic indicators did not make a full recovery back to 1929 levels until WW2 or even later. Likewise, Obama’s similar approach of massive spending and increasing federal control of the economy has slowed the recovery.

      Get some sleep. You’re staying up too late. It’s affecting your thinking.

    • sbaker

      According to the GOA Bush left us in a debt of 400 billion dollars( now repaid,tarp money). According to the GAO obama has us approx. 3.5 trillion dollars in debt in the last 18 months . Do the math ,who is destroying our country? Most businesses would love to have Bush back , we would be in a recovery stage , not getting deeper into a depression.

    • BigIron

      Really? … Blame it all on GWB; I don’t think so. This problem has been building for a really long time and both parties (and yes the people, too) are to blame. Der UberMama just continued and expanded upon GWB’s already bad policies and spending.

      Government intrusion into our lives is at an all-time high. Let’s hope that the people, the “real” people of both parties, are awakening to the scam being played upon them by our “government” and their “controllers”. Restore our Republic! … If you want real prosperity and liberty over whiny rhetoric and slavery.

    • Bill Jacobs

      FDR didn’t turn the economy around, WWII did!!

    • JohnG

      Dear Ms Ride, thank you for once again taking a side. For all of you readers and commenters, I thank you also. However, I do not agree with most. I don’t blame George W alone. I don’t blame Barack alone. I blame mostly the voters, We put these people in power to make the laws to spend spend spend. I blame both parties. Neither party cares about you or me. They care about power. Vote the spenders out. Great ads on TV and radio for the one with the most money and least integrity. They get elected. Who chooses these candidates? The parties, Dems and Repubs. Become an independent, or third party member. Vote out the spenders, term limits and follow the Constitution.

    • Don

      Regarding Bush II —– he could be considered a Socialist as well but at least he was going the speed limit —– Obama is going light speed. Considering FDR he was so bad that they passed a law of presidential limits to stop such total power from ever happening again. Obama is without question the absolute the most pathetic after FDR & Wilson — all radical socialist and have really no concern for the success of America. All would of prefered a one world government, which would not work in the free society. Many have died to protect our form of government a system that we all enjoy.

      • G Beard

        Don, you so right about Obama and FDR and Wilson. Obama is out to destroy the USA. He should have stayed in Kenya.

    • http://google Leonard W Giddens Jr.

      I remember when one could do most repairs on an automobile, with bailing wire, screw driver, pliers,and a monkey wrench. Use to, does not work today. This is 2010, a whole new ball game. The sooner people get that in thier head, this country can be healed and we can move forward. Any person that put another mans family before his own, can not do anything right,he can not be trusted, because there isn’t any reason on earth to abandon your own for some unknown. What gets under my skin, is the things this president can not do, he is condemned for. The things he can do but refuse to do, he is given a pass.Some body beam me up here. Has most of Americans lost thier mines? How can any body support a president that is going to destroy our country with his policies, IE, giving amnesty to 18 million invaders, when Americans are loosing everything because there arn’t jobs to be had to support thier families. To give support because he has given you what you want ( nothing apparrently)is selfishness. The head is not just a hat rack.

    • Victoria Coots

      The blame Bush continues, even after over 18 months of Obamanomics that have taken us spiraling at the speed of light down the red ink abyss.
      Bush has had nothing to do with any of the decisions that Obama has made, rather Obama’s Marxist upbringing and personal ideology towards Communism has had everything to do with every decision Obama has made. He has continues to surround himself with radicals, who either outright profess to be Communists or their record clearly indicates they are Communists.
      The economy has gotten worse and worse with each passing day due to the policies this administration has foisted on the American people against their will through malfeasance/back room deals, bribery, initimidation and arm twisting.
      We have witnessed the lies of the Obama administration, even though the mainstream media refuse to do their job and expose these lies. Several examples are the funding of abortion (wasn’t going to fund it, but has), illegal immigration (wasn’t in the health care bill, but is), the BP oil spill (lied about the whose responsibility this all belongs to, and it is not just BP), taxing those whose incomes are under $250,000 (they will be taxed as he has told his advisors, “everything is on the table to get the massive debt and deficits Obama has created on top of what Bush created”)…to name just a few lies.
      Taking over private industry and banks, mandating health care or being penalized, moratorium on drilling, etc…have all worked to further damage the job market. Public sector jobs are just a burden on the economy since they are taxpayer funded and do not generate wealth to improve the economy.
      This illegitimate White House occupier is destroying America as fast as he can, and must be stopped.

    • Michael D. Papich

      Sorry Sally, it was NOT FDR who got us out of the depression it was the war agasinst Hitler. Interestingly both Hitler sand FDR were socialists. Freddie& Fannie have far more to do with our current mess than Bush II. Get your facts straight.

    • John E. Martin

      A little research will show that neither Bush or Obama are to blame for our current recession..No the programs initiated by Bill Clinton are the primary culprit. Government manipulations of interest rates, mortgages available to all regardless of credit and other qualifications,Earned income credit; almost half of american families do not pay any income tax. My daughter did not pay any taxes but received over 2 thousand dollar refund check.I honestly do not think our tax system was meant to be a redistributions of wealth welfare program.Can we undo what Clinton has done or is it too late?

    • Roy

      Oh please! Give ma a break. obama’s been office for 2 years. Only a fool would be still blaming everything on Bush. You sound like a parrot. You have no brain of your own so you just parrot whatever your captor says. PLEASE!

    • G Beard

      When did this so-called “recklessness” of President Bush’s start. If you check, you’ll find that most of this “recklessness” started in 2007. If you check, you’ll find that’s when the Democrats won control of congress. The president doesn’t spend money, congress spends the money. The Democrat congress has spent alot of it since 2007. Put the blame where it belongs. CONGRESS.

    • Wm P. Martin

      Have you been in outer space? It was Bill Clinton who wrote several memos to Fannie and Freddie ordering them to lend to people who didn’t have a prayer (oops! excuse my lack of political correctness!) a hope or chance of paying off. Talk about Teflon! He never gets the “credit” he deserves…

    • http://??? G. Marshall

      The statement blaming Bush for the state of our economy sounds like
      what you may step in if you happened to be walking behind a male bovine.

    • Jan

      I agree Bush started all this economic mess, but Obama has only made it worse. I have yet to receive any stimulus that helped my family greatly. We got $900 in 2008 and $800.00 off our taxes in 2009; that is drop of water in the ocean. Plus I see the Socialism more and more every day; time for American citizens to take action or the USA is going to fall.

    • L. Banks

      Since the Wilson “Progressive Administration” failed, the progressives have been positioning themselves to take over this country. This was aided by other progressive presidents like Teddy Roosevelt and FDR who instituted many programs that were designed to keep people dependent upon government since it is harder to repeal such activity than to continue it. Social Security was never designed to replace people’s savings and retirement plans. However, now most people view it as such. It is a pyramid scheme and worked as long as there were people with sufficient incomes in the system. Today we are beginning to witness the inversion of the pyramid as more people retire and there are less sufficient incomes to support the retirees. Also, Congress could not leave Social Security alone so they used it to fund other short falls in government and they expanded it to cover people who never paid a dime into the system. As time past the progressives placed more and more people inside the economic, government, and other areas attempting to expand their influence and bring about their goal of control. If you want to know who in Congress are part of the Progressive Caucus just see for yourselves. I am tired of hearing people blame Bush for all the problems in this government. Everyone is to blame for failing to monitor our government and failing to getting involved. Most people do nothing, but vote every four years and then I might add do little if no research on the candidate allowing the press to mold their opinion. Hence, the most left senator whose associations with the extreme far left and their ideas and whose own background is far eastern oriented/Muslim oriented since he lived in Indonesia and in Hawaii – not really the heart land of America; whose parents and grandparents eposed him to much of the seedy side of life as a child including his mentor Frank Marshall Davis who bragged about his lust for young girls and boys and who was a communist with roots in Chicago; and whose only mantra was “Change” was elected His first act was to place Czars in charge in the White House who are not responsible to Congress or the people of this country. Next he appointed his Chicago socialist/communist cronies Axelrod wrote for the communist newspaper in Illinois and Valerie Jarrett’s father-in-law was the head of the communist party in Illinois; his association with Reverend Wright is well known and I have always seen the truth to the saying “Like attracts Like. After his election he began spending money that was ours and not even there so he printed money to keep us afloat. Then he began passing the progressive and socialist agenda: taking over private businesses and usurping hundreds of years of contract law by giving unions priority over lenders; he took over the car industry and forced privately owned dealerships out of business; he continued bailout industries, banks where his friends benefit rather than the public – George Soros. He began to pass the progressive legislation designed to transfer wealth, but actually it is to drain everyone and make us minions. The health care bill was passed without Congress reading the document and will add more to our ever increase debt load and will never give us the health care we need or want. It just benefits those who are Obama’s friends and gives them leverage to weed out the unwanted. Obama said there would be no federal funding of abortions so now we find he never intended to allow this to happen as two states and soon more are receiving funding. Look at his record on the war he waited so long to make his decision on what direction to go that I fear for this country if we are ever attacked. He has tied the hands of our troops so they are not given the necessary equipment and right to shoot instead they are encourage to gain the “Restraint Award”. The oil crisis is another look into how Obama responds – he’d rather be on vacation than deal with these issues. Instead of throwing everything we had against this problem, he waited and he would not allow those who offered their help to assist us until several weeks ago. In the mean time he has halted off-shore drilling which will mean all energy costs and other costs will go up while at the same time lending $2 billion to Brazil for deep off-shoring drilling so his benefactor George Soros and PETRA BRA will reap a financial harvest. Watch, as he will institute Cap and Trade another shell game designed to benefit his friends and further put you under the financial yolk. So where will this end? If there is no change …in chaos since inflation will be rampant, food will be short supply so I predict Obama will take over the farming industry so even that will be rationed. Instead of blaming George Bush, I think it is high time we all got involved to protect ourselves and our country. Obama is taking it away from us.

    • Rico

      How’s that purple Kool-Aide taking Sally!

    • Sharon

      So, when all is said and done in 2012 and the Big O is voted out, he will say over his shoulder, as he leaves the White House. “It really wasn’t my fault, George did it!” Hopefully we won’t be in such bad shape by then that we can find representation that has some virtue and responsibility. The Big O will be remembered for putting the blame on someone else and not arising to serve the people.

    • Jay Park

      This person must not understand economics at all. FRD’s processes kept the depression going. The war (WWII) kept the manufacturing ring going and employments. A Republican congress and the next president, Eisenhower got us out of debt. Look at an old $5.00 bill, it is a Silver Certificate. No other time have we had one. Look at facts not ideology.

    • Casper777

      The Washington Post babbled again today about Obama inheriting a huge deficit from Bush. Amazingly enough,…… a lot of people swallow this nonsense. So once more, a short civics lesson.
      Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress, and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democratic Party. They controlled the budget process for FY 2008 and FY 2009, as well as FY 2010 and FY 2011. In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.
      For FY 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the FY 2009 budgets.
      And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete FY 2009. Let’s remember what the deficits looked like during that period:
      If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the FY 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets. If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.
      In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th.

    • John E. Martin

      Forgot to add. F.D.R did not end the great depression, ten years after he was in office unemployment still stood at an all time high. After we entered world war 2 factories started booming and everybody went to work.

    • http://??? G. Marshall

      I cannot believe you are the Sally Ride that took a HIGH ride because
      she had to be a right smart female to have been allowed that HIGH ride.
      Saying dubya was the cause of our country’s terrible shape is what can be found to the rear of a male bovine!!!!!

    • Sunny

      Hey, Sally, I have some acreage I’d like to sell you in the middle of the Everglades. Its private, lots of room to breath, wildlife abounds and no neighbors to disturb your peace. Maybe you could invite obama over for a beerfest and talk about how “just every little thing is Bush’s fault.”

    • Don Slaff


      Are you really as lame as your message indicates?
      Do you not remember the mess Carter left for Regan to clean up?

      Get real, this president is destroying this country with the help of his illigal Czars and the gutless congress.

      All have forgot “we the people”

    • bigfatjoe

      What a typical argument of the “regressives”. Blame, call a name, then do the same. Hey Rider, what color is the sky in your world?

    • Douglas a walters

      Sally, I have met other folks who thought OBAMMA was going to do a good, really good job, he HAS NOT< he is doing things that he talked about, don't really know anything except how to convert this country to another gov controlled country………and free ride to all poor folks, I believe in helping folks, but they have to get off their butts and work…..lifes not free…..

    • Martin

      Sally may have left her head in space. FDR failed to end the Depression with all his gimmicks. WWII and entrepreneurs brought us out of the Depression. Obama IS more hapless than Hoover. Hoover at least meant well. Obama is deliberately trying to destroy what little is left of the capital markets.

    • doctor kyle

      You could not be more wrong about “W” or Obama. While W lacks a lot of desirable qualities in a president Obama pretty much lacks all of them.
      The cause of the economic collapse was government mandated racism in the banking system that started while Clinton was in office and reached its ugly head while W was in office. W even tried to stop the sub-prime lending but was stopped by a Dem. controlled congress. When the banks failed as they were doomed to do. The Dems do what they do best, place the blame on Conservatives for their own mistakes then go on to make many more to “Correct” the problem.
      History shows Liberalism/socialism to have a very poor track record of promoting freedom and prosperity, and the worst example in American history is FDR whose policies not only did not end the depression, but took a recession and turned it into a depression and then prolonged it past its natural end. The policies of Obama are tragically as misguided as FDR’s and are having the same tragic effects.

    • MT man

      You forget that the Dumbocrats had the house, and senate when things went bad. But yet it’s all Bush’s fault, I don’t think so!! You are all a bunch of sheep that follow each other around. Start thinking for your selves and wake up. One day you are going to wake up slaves to the govt.

    • Lyn

      You obviously don’t know history. FDR was no saint. He helped get the country into the depression by his actions in the first place and then the elite proposed the solution as usual. The leaders starting with the Bushes have been escalating by design the demise of this country on purpose. It has been incremental. Obama is just the latest of the puppet group. He was raised for the office and put into it on purpose. No president has ever really run this country. The elite to that job and tell the leaders worldwide what to do.

    • Nick R.

      I would like to know how you can call what is wrong with this country Bush’s fault? For 6 years the country was booming, if you wanted to work there were lots of jobs, housing market was strong, and this country had the best health care in the world, still does till Obamacare kicks in, then with the press continually telling people how everyone is in soup lines, the country is going to hell because of Bush and the Republicans, the demecrates took control of congress and things have been going downhill since. Open your mind and check your history for yourself, and not just what the antirepublican and liberal press is feeding you. Nick

    • veronica

      Here’s the thing Marxist believe in socialism. Just like your boy Obama. We’re not buying that crap. This country was founded as one nation under GOD. If you don’t like it you and your liberal kooks can go live in Europe or Canada or Kenya. And take the idiot in the white house with you. We don’t care what Karl Marx said God’s people always prevail pick up a bible and read it you might learn something.

    • Tom

      You must be kidding! BHU’s policy of spending only on government employees and programs is a total failure. We cannot sit and wait for it to work any longer. He is afraid to lower taxes on small businesses and people who would spend the moneys being held in fear of BHO’s increased taxes for 2011 !!!! If we could depend on a longer term policy of reduced taxes, much $$$$ would be released to buy new projects, hire new workers and improve the economy.

    • Elaine

      Give me a break! Obama has tripled the debt that Bush created in under 2 years! He is a corrupt Chicago politician and Marxist and is out to destroy this country along with the far left jerks in the Democratic party!

    • jeff greinke

      Is moron spelled with one “r” or two?

    • Madonna

      I would love to tell you what i think of Obama but it would be illegal to put it into my words so let me put it this way and if yer as smart as you would like us to believe you are then you can read between the lines. First off we can see your an over board &*#^&%* ^%&% DEMOCRAT! As far as Obummer goes …he is a *U%$%Y* $@^*()& *%$&%&^(& (^&*%#&$%^$! We are cursing the day that &%$#^$%&*^& Y&%&#^%*^&(( &%#&$#^&% EVER GOT INTO OFFICE….I can only pray he dosen’t make a second term. I’m sorry he *&^$^%^$ (&^%*^%^#$ )&^(&^&$ (^&$^!!!!!

    • Barbara

      The rest of the world had a depression. The U.S. had the great depression. Had FDR not set up government so called employment programs the depression would have ended sooner.
      The unemployment in 1941 was the same as it was in 1934.

    • http://hotmail Joe Dennison

      EL Obumbo will blame anyone just to cover his a$$. He and his will do anything to bring this great country, but just waite till november.

    • David Mylander

      Obama needs more than support. His approach and his advisors have shown that they don’t understand the basics for recovery nor the ability to carry them out. Two more years of Obama will probably result in the declaration of bankrupcy for this country.

    • http://Shreveport,La Maudie Dixon

      Obama, is not completely to blame he had help. The democratic house and senate had to agree with him. He also brought with him the rat pack from Chicago and all the other communist thinking people with him. If he is allowed to continue within two more years he will be a dictator. I do pray the Lord (my lord Jesus Christ) will work in the hearts of the common man and turn this country around in November. I know you must be died in the wool democrat, but please allow our fellow man some thoughts. This is a great country that was founded on religious principles and we do need to get back to them. Man must work to eat, the Bible tells us this. Where do you think the money comes from to run the government with if not the common man working and paying taxes


    • General Bobby Farrell

      Go for a RIDE, Sally … all FDR did was permit the Elite to steal all the Nation’s GOLD from the individual; take all their money to then buy them out for pennies, if anything, on the dollar; and the list goes on …

      But Hoover, what a OWG jerk! He was manipulated by the same people who clandestinly ran the Nation since BEFORE Teddy and who still rule from out of sight today.

      Obama? Just the latest, AND MOST-WILLING, Puppet on the string. “W” was and still is one of the most magnanimous liars ever to hold the High Office, probably tied with SuperTeeth in this generation.

      FYI, our Constitution, Nation and Free Enterprise System will be restored the same way they were established! The only differences will be the quality of powder, caliber of shot, and body count.

      YES! You may quote me.

      • MANNY


    • defcon7

      Were liberal democrats born this stupid or is it somthing they had to work on all their lives? If you can’t see that your being played you don’t have a chance to survive the coming takeover of our country by the left!Open your eye’s fools! We can’t afford to carry your lame excuse of a life anymore. Pay your own way or perish, the choice is yours to make!This is America where you have the right to prosper thru hard work if you choose to do so. Or you can sit back and starve if you choose to take that path as well. That’s true freedom, not a hand out to lazy people. And yes it is obama’s fault and mess he created not bush’s. The dems. were running the show when these destructive polices were inacted thru congress not republicans. The dems. and barney frank as well as chris dodd and maxine waters caused the melt down thru the housing market and everything dominoed from there. They knew it would have the affect it did, that’s why they did it. So please put down that cup of koolaid and think for yourself for once in your life!

    • http://REPUBLIC don frazier

      Here we go again, blaming President Bush. This is 2010, and the deficit is sky rocketing every day, and Bush is not the President.. Get caught up on your date and time lady. If you didn’t have President Bush who would you blame then? Get over it.. Your Obama is entirely to blame for our present conditions. He could have turned it around and did better than he thought Bush did? Why did he use our Gov’t Credit Card like a crazy fool in a candy store. Tear that credit card up NOW.. Stop the vacations, celebrations, and fueling that Airforce one up for every little trip he and Pelosi wants to make. It is time for him to go to wok and face the music and pay the debt, like we as taxpayers have to. I resent him letting us all pay for his follies.I am unemployed and have been for over a year. We The People are expected to not spend beyond our income. Let him learn that lesson also. So far he hasn’t done anything that has helped this nation, contrary to his speeches he makes. He lives in LALA land. How many candles do you burn to his ” Royal highness” each day? WE WILL REMEMBER IT IN NOVEMBER.

    • veronica

      When the hell were you brain washed? Your anionted one has spent more on nothing in 18 months. Then Bush did in 8 years. Obama is too stupid to run a lemonade stand much less a country. He has shown that he has no respect for this country, our constitution, our laws, and the American citizens. He has appointed the worst people he could find as advisors. Face it they are all on a socialist and radical agenda.Wake up and get a clue they are spending this country to it’s knee’s. Obama acts like he is at a county club wineing and dining. Taking grand vacations, buying the finest cloths, hiring stars to entertain his family and friends on our taxes. He makes me sick!!!!! While we loss jobs and scrimp to get by. They should be ashamed of them selves and so should you for buying lies. Our futher generations will pay for what these criminals are doing.

    • Bill

      What FDR did only elongated the recovery from the depression. What got us out of that depression was WWII and the advances in technology that came from it. The biggest mistake was made by Truman and then General Eisenhower to not push back the Red army. If Patton’s advice had been followed Europe would have recovered more quickly and in all probability there would not have been the Korean “police action”, which was cause by an expansion of communism, brought about by the enboldened regime in the USSR. To understand today, one must study and understand history.
      The financial collapse of this era goes back to the congresses under Bush I and Clinton and the relaxing of the rules for banking solvency. Under Bush II, the Democratic congress forced the bank “bailouts” on, for the most part, banks that did NOT want the money. But, if the government single out just one band to bail out, there would have been a run on the others. (maybe) BUT, the weak banks would have gone through normal bankruptcy. And we would all be better off, because there would not be this terrible debt. But, all of that said, that was NOT the plan from the beginning. The Dems in power wanted more control and the fastest and easiest way is to take over the banks.

    • James R. Myers

      It is truly amazing that one cannot see beyond a political party. When each American questions candidates intentions and background,prior to elections, only then will we have some sort of sanity in Washington. Obama stated that this is the greatest country in the world and I’m gonna change it.
      Changing it he is doing. Every backdoor tactic, every objection by the majority of American citizens, everything that makes good sense is being pushed aside because this guy is not only a Socialist, he is a dictator.
      God help our next two generations.

    • Gene

      There is no reason to give Obama anything! He is taking or using everything in his power to destroy this USA! The people that can’t see this is many! The trust of this so called president is over the top of distrust. NO ONE should go around talking bad about this country the way he has. Like we are not a christian nation we be Islamic?….Keep on keeping on with his lies and see where we will be!…..destroyed as a true American we will be and possibly won’t be able to withstand the onslaught! This is a very serious time in our nation. May God Keep us in his hands

    • Larry Jordan

      Have some MORE coolaid Sally

    • David Lakatos

      Obama is the worst person ever to be President of our country.He is a tratior to our constitution along with all his socialist communiss lackeys that he sorrounds himself with.It can’t be to soon enought to rided ourselfs of these scum of the earth.The only ones to big to fill are the ones making all the rules they don’t lose nothing not there homes,there jobs are there money or life saving.But they rube it in your face with bonnuss.And saying there the ellite.Since when do we americans have ellite amoung us.When all men are created equal.Sounds to me like were going back to kings and lords in this country.Everyboby else are just peinons that are tousded aside like so much trash and it don’t manter what we the people want.

    • http://yahoo abby

      Sally, Sally
      It’s been what – over a year and a half – and we are still blaming the previous president. That’s is certainly childish behavior. They say Clinton balanced the budget — did he? Were the social programs/entitlement figured in — I don’t think so. Numbers can say anything/ slant it the way you want.
      this administration has racked up debt beyond any measure of previous administrations. It has sued rather than enforce laws. It has called law abiding citizens “terrorists” while admin give the true terrorists “legal rights”. Why isn’t it helping enforce illegal immigration rather than trying to granty amnesty. Amnenty was done once before; worked so well –going to do it again. And that’s after saying “no more”. Governement should be for the people; congress and senators should be included in all laws they pass. No exemptions. Unions have outlived their usefulness. Instead they want exclusive rights and bailouts. Where is their pension funds — went towards electing officials and the President. Now the President must provide pay back. Why should the people have to for union members pensions, etc. Mismanagement is rampant in government. And they now want to be in control of our thoughts/actions/eating habits, etc. Government should get out of the way and let those that know how to run businesses do so; book knowledge and advanced education do not equate to “common sense”. Sounds good in theory but there’s more to it than that. For every action there is a reaction. Look at the relaxing of mortgage monetary requirements. These are accidents waiting to happen. Oh yes, and don’t forget blame the other guy. Look at the Toyota and BP incidents; this admin is certainly getting it’s run or the money. And just wait until election time gets nearer, what calamity is being planned to ensure voters do not focus on the problems and issues thus far but only on the new debacle.
      Both parties are too blame for where we stand today; vote the incumbent out (in most cases) and get new blood in. Put term limits in place; do away with pork projects; let the President do line item vetoes (then we will know where we stand). As it is now, the overall bill is judged as one side preventing the issue from occuring. Did you ever consider what pork is in that bill? What bills are hidden within that wouldn’t pass on its own? Too many lawyers, not enough regular people willing to do the right thing.

    • george morabit

      Don’t you understand yet that all of the presidents since they killed JFK work for the NWO. I built the Fed’s command centers in the 80′s. My friend worked there recently and I asked him what the command center looked like. He described my products to the T. So, it has been over 25+ years and they are still using the same old junk IBM dumb terminals. What this tells me is that all that they do is print junk currency and bullshit the American people. Unbelievable! I doubt that they even have books to audit while they make us lose our jobs for a damned power play, again………….. Marvin Gaye had it right; Whats goin on”.
      Everything went to hell when they eliminated the Glas Segal act. I remember it clearly. The big banks were given a pass to steal from us by being able to sell and trade. This was orchastred by the ones at the top of the food chain that can never have enough. I have a feeling that the banker elites are getting frustrated that things are moving too slowly for the new world order, NWO, that they want. We are likely to see a false flag event that will cost more than money. It will cost lives, in order to put us back into fear because that is how they play thier sick game, but Americans are getting smarter and I don’t beleive that the Army will back them so don’t be surprised if you see non American troops show up when Obama calls for Marshal Law and a Bank holiday when he walks in FDR’s footprints. We are dealing with mass murderers and narcisistic sociopaths.
      Go out and buy a gun and ammo and gold and silver and read the writing on the walls. It may get very ugly, very quickly. Make sure that you have enough food and water for a few months at least.
      Most important is prayer and a good knowldge of the constitution.
      Live free or die!

    • JoAnn Sellers

      I would like to remind Ms. Ride that the depression lasted longer under FDR than under Hoover. The fact is that Hoover was starting gov’t programs to remedy the situation – many of which were continued by the Roosevelt administration. Of course, they both made a mess of it as the federal government usually does. You’ll be hard pressed to find a Republican who doesn’t disagree with the way Bush spent money. But the fact is: resorting to partisan politics in this discussion shows a huge lack of understanding about the real root of our problem. It comes from the incredible stupidty from both parties in their rush to spend money and show their constituency they could “bring home the bacon.” The worst part of our debt does not just stem from wars, nor the unconscionable earmarks, but from entitlements that were doomed to failure from their inception. The “people” wanted government to take care of them and so they stood for outrageous taxing (hoping those rich guys would bear the brunt)and yielded up their money to the IRS instead of saving and investing on their own. No matter who makes it into office we’re in for horrendous problems when the dollar becomes nearly worthless (I refer you to the Weimar Republic, or more recently, Zambia)when decades of obscene deficit spending takes its toll.

    • http://unk t man

      Are you completely nuts? President Obama has made choices that have prolonged the economic problems in the U.S. and will continue to as well as the Democrat Congress(2 1/2 yrs) because of what they BELIEVE,change the current system of Government in our country to their European idealology, Socialism, when you finally realize this it will be to late to stop the changes and YOU can suck it up and deal with it.

    • Cathy

      Sally Ride…your comment is laughable, to say the least…

      You REALLY need to study history. FDR PROLONGED the Great Depression with his policies. And now, Obummer is basing HIS policies on the “New Deal.”

      Interesting that the 22nd Amendment, which limited presidential terms, was enacted in 1951…six years after his death.

      If your grandparents and great grandparents supported this dictator (FDR), well, then…I guess it just runs in the family.

      “Two things are infinite: The Universe and human stupidity. And I’m not sure about the Universe.” — Albert Einstein

    • Rene D.

      All good comments or partially good comments are given. We all have to remember that Mr. Bush Jr did much good. The economy was already on the slide in Clintons last 4 yrs. Mr. Bush turned it around until a democratic Congress took over. Then everything Mr. Bush wanted to do was blocked. Just plain as that and the economy started the down wards slope again as to when he gave the guidelines to help the faltering banking system. Then he had 9/11 and he kept us safe until Mr. BHO took over and the unrest started flaming up again. Katrina happened that is a natural disaster. Of course Mr. Bush got the blame as of he started the disaster. Then Mr. BHO took over the helm. Everybody knows that Congres has the power and “not the President” of course the democratic Congres was overjoyed. This BHO was an easy one to subdue. He might have a silver tongue but has absolutely no backbone nor know how as to run a country so diversified as America.On top of it he has a big mental problem of his background and be the product of a mixed marriage. Pelosi, Reid, Dod and Frank saw through this and had a hay day with BHO. BHO having no knowledge to run a Country jumped right on the bandwagon and working to destroy’s Mr. Bush jr reputation gave the instructions a good twist and gave America the knock out punch with the stimulus package. BOH washed his hands and pointed with the Democratic Congress fingers to Bush jr. What a bunch of cowards. Since BHO gave the okay for the punch he should be man enough to take the blame along with this Democratic Congress. We are now two years in the Obama era. We have seen allready that he does not have the backbone to be a leader nor the knowledge. We see it in the people he appoints to positions they have no business being in and the way he takes decisions in other then domestic disturbances. BHO can not even handle the border situation in Calif., Arizona, Texas and New Mexico. Leave alone stand behind the original Immigration Laws that States have their own adoptation to. How can they call border crashers Illegal Immigrants. What does illegal means? Illegal means against the Law, spells out criminal. Is it not? Now to soften the word criminal, they came out with a new word, get a load of this “Undocumented” immigrant. As of “undocumented” makes it all of a sudden not to be criminal to be in this country and give those illegals the right to be here. We applied in 1956 for immigration, after rigerous investigation in our (including medical) backgrounds we were cleared to enter the USA. We got a visa and a green card AFTER we could proof to have a sponsor and a job and signing a waiver that for the first 5 years we could not apply for help from the USA gov. We were required to carry the green card on our person at all times for identification and proof of “LEGAL ENTRANCE”. Every year we had to fill in a card for Immigration Service and report were we lived and if we were employed. Until we became Citizens. Now we have a Citizens number, we are required to carry with us and show when it is ask for. We have been in this country now for 55 years and I am proud to show my papers whenever asked for. The situation in the border states, should have the President attention. All the border States should united and have uniform rules. All illegals out. No pardon. It has cost us the taxpayer way to much. The holding centers down South are way to luxurious. Just compare them with the Mexican jails and how illegals are handled in their countries. What happens when an American crosses any border of Mexico,China, Iran undocumented? Where does common sense begin and ends. November is very important to all Americans. Vote and vote smart and sensible. ALL incumbants out and in with the fresh. Take time to talk to the person you would vote for. Ask him/her right out what he/she stands for on several subjects. Morality, respect and common sense have to be brought back to America. We are a Nation Under God. Keep it that way, yet we may not loose respect for other religions. Just as long as those “other” Religions are not allowed to rule and over rule the Law of America.
      May God Bless America and steer us in the right direction once more.

    • Suzie Q

      You’ve drunk too much of the Obama Kool Aid and your brains have turned to mush. If you would learn to research, you’d see that the whole housing debacle started under the Democratic leadership of Bill Clinton. When Dubya took over, he tried to put an end to NINJA ( NO Job, NO Income or Assets) hand-outs in the housing market. But his Democratic Congress nixed his attempts to straighten out the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac mess Clinton started. And if you further research, you’ll discover that the economy was STRONG under Dubya until 2006 when the Dems won Congress —that’s when America began plummeting into major debt. It was because the Dems were spending freely with no regard to what Dubya wanted. So get your facts straight before you spew nonsense, Sally.

    • Mark E

      You are either very seriously naive or dramatically misinformed.

    • John Jarvis

      Sally, Sally, you do know that FDR’s policies in fact were not working and that it took world war II to get us out of the depression? Don’t you?

    • Donald Miller

      Are you the Sally Ride who went into space? If you are, you should know that now that BO has been pres for what, 18 months or so, he now owns these “so called problems passed on from GW”, just as GW inherited problems from Slick Willy. Ron Reagan, come back! BO stepped into that office by himself, willingly; no body forced him to go there, so he deserves everything he gets as a result of his anti American ideas.

    • Jonathan Ashley

      If you want to blame someone for the problems we face today, look in the mirror. We are all responsible for the problems we face today.

      In a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton in 1887, Baron John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton (1834–1902), wrote “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.”

      The reason we are debating the issues we are today is because we keep electing career polititions to office, whether those offices be local, state, or national. We cannot do that and expect change for the better. They almost always become bad men. In the spirit of environmentalism, we need to recycle Washington.

    • mavis

      Obama can’t be compared to any other president no matter how bad they were he is 100 times worse. No pulling punches here, that is just the way it is.mehpensacola,fl

    • George Puccini

      After 18 months of Obamanomics don’t you think we can finally start blaming the current president for the ills of our nation? Why does this egotistical, smug man get a free ride (pardon the pun) while George Bush, 18 months gone from Washington, still gets tarred and feathered? Let’s lay the blame where it belongs. This man was never an administrator and he can’t govern worth a damn…

    • Drew

      That is funny, The nation was coming out of the recession when FDR took over and gave us his New Deal. Thanks to his “New Deal” our nation spent 10 or 11 yrs in the Great Depression.

    • Richard Cox

      Sally; Please get out from behind those rose colored glasses. Although Dubya WAS BAD, you seem to forget that Democrats had control of both House and Senate for three years prior to Obama election. My addition says 5 years ’til now. How long will it take for Mr. Obama to accept responsibility for his disastrous tenure???
      How long before he stops LYING incessantly??? Oh, you’re a liberal, I forgot——— you don’t notice or focus on the lies. Example??
      How about the “health care” ?? No facts or truths in what he said whatsoever. [think abortion]. Blessings to you, Sally, but get with it ! Look through clear prisims !! May God save our country.

    • Jimbo

      You are deluding yourself if you think you can blame the evils of our economy on GWB, though liberals love to do it. While I do not support GWB’s neocon efforts (which “the anointed one” is carrying forward in spades, btw!), the evil Federal Reserve (passed along with the income tax under Wilson in 1913), along with a huge bloated govt. is to blame for all the debt, lack of job creation, not to mention saddling us with numerous entitlement giveaways that cannot be sustained. FDR did not end the Great Depression (it got worse under his watch!), but the return of GI’s after WWII was when prosperity returned to the country. Ponzi scheme lies like social security and the variety of alphabet soup nightmares levied on us by FDR are still weighing us down. Our Constitution prescribed limited – very limited – govt. with a few powers, not this albatross of theft and criminal behavior that runs Washington today. Demopublicans have given us nothing but perks for themselves, U.S. involvement in over 130 countries, and complete economic wrecklessness. The Marxist agenda of Barack Obama is just another death knell for freedom.

    • mavis

      I will be glad to give obama my support,support out of office,that I’ll gladly do. mehpensacola,fl

    • http://MSN ThomasA

      You can’t see the forrest for the trees. You compare BO to any other president of the United States is a shame. The start of the economy downfall wasn’t G.W.B.II. It was Clinton who lied to all of us. Then he signed the NAFTA bill takeing jobs away from thousands of Americans. I suppose what he did in the White House with Monica was okay. BO lied to us too, the first thig he did was signed a bill with millions of dollars of earmarks on it. Who was in control of congress then? I guess you don’t know that all the Democrats want to do is increase the size of government and spend more of the money we don’t have! I don’t see how he or his wife can show their faces in public again. I suppose it’s okay that BO isn’t even a U.S. citizen. I suppose you don’t believe in God either. Unamerican people make me sick. Open your eyes and look around. Look at all the money he and the comgress have gave away that could have been used for the people who needed it but no! All those “Fat Cats” needed their bonuses, and some in foreign countries. You wait and see. We will have no civil rights. We’ll have one world currency. The Islams will control the world. The best is yet to come. God is going to destroy all who are not saved; are you? Stay on BOs’ band wagon and take the plunge. Look at the way society is changing! One third of the people vote! That’s how BO got elected. I voted and it certainly wasn’t for BO. Six months after BO was elected a poll showed that 500,000 black people whshed they hadn’t voted for him. I didn’t vote for him because he’s black. It was because of the way he feels about our civil rights, (we shouldn’t have any). Before he’s done we won’t!

    • John

      What about obama’s radical left-wing socialist agenda????
      His weakness in handling foreign affairs, his lack of integrity in dealing with health care reform.
      I don’t have all day to sit here and write everything down but really, wake up and do some research.
      Trust me, it won’t take long to come up with a very, very long list of examples depicting his ineptness.

    • Anthony J. Robinson

      Are you nuts? I think you must be with such flawed thinking.

    • Irene

      Lady, Wake up! This depression belongs to no one but to this inexpienced,hardcore radical,unscrupulous, and ruthless power grabber, Obama. He has made things worse then an president in our history. He is taking all our freedom away.It is worse then anything Mr. Bush did. Remember the democrates took control of congress in 2006 and everything has gone down since then.

    • Navy Davey

      If ignorance is bliss, Sally Ride has to be the happiest person on the USS Lollipop.

    • http://PersonalLiberties David

      Step away from the Kool-Aid. It wasn’t until FDR was out of office and his doubling-down was stopped before the Economy recovered. W was a progressive towards the end of his 2nd term and we acknowledge this. Its the doubling and tripling down by (N)Obama that is crippling this economy and keeping the unemployment rate so high. We will end it in November.

    • Vincent

      Obama has racked up more debt then all of the previous Presidents. The real issue here is he did it in record time. All of the Republican Presidents to date have not racked up as much debt as the current administration.

    • blee

      the problem is people like you that vote for a radical mafia owned idiot like obama without educating yourself on all the things you just said.

    • Anthony Halby

      I have to disagree with Ms. Ride. It was WWII that got us out of the depression. It was also decisions made during the Clinton Admin regarding getting homes for unqualified persons, that helped lead to the downfall. There are a lot of democrats who see what the Republicans see with this administration. Power and Control. Do not be surprised if those who switched support from Hillary Clinton to Obama, are now ready to switch again. She will resign at the end of this year, and then make a run against Obama in 2012 and probably win the Democratic Primary.

    • don l.

      Im in my seventies, i voted for johnson, carter, and clinton the first time but not his second term. i have never felt like the country was going down hill until this year. i fear obama is out to make this a communist country. I will never vote for a democrat again. this man is scary. george was so – so but not dangerous.

    • Richard Clark

      Once again we are shown not only that people are ignorant of the real facts of history. Not by their own fault but from a rewriting of history by progressives. It is true that Hoover was inept and that contributed to the cause of the “Great Depression” however first of all there was a greater collapse in 1920 that was turned around by large tax cuts and reduction of spending. This resulted in the roaring Twenties as being perhaps the most prosperous time for middle class workers in American History. Hoover and the FDR afterwards went in the opposite direction. And as history shows we had a prolonged and severe depression that reversed the gains by the middle class that had been realized through the twenties. What we need is a lot more Milton Friedman and a lot less Sol Alinsky. Marxism has never, and cannot ever work in a real free society.The reason the poor of the United States is richer than the poor in any other part of the world is because Capitalism works. Capitalism creates jobs which creates materialism which creates more jobs. Sure the rich get richer but in a free society so do the poor. As a result all are better off.

    • Richard Fishman

      You have to believe that FDR was in league with the Japanese and the Germans to argue that he was “responsible” for ameliorating the effects of the Great Depression. Everything done in Washington only made our economic situation worse. WWII put people back to work, but it was a terrible way to “improve” our economy. Obama is as bad at reading history as he is at governing.

    • Ron

      You are still as blind to his tactics as you were the day you voted him in,open your eyes & your mind before it is too late!

    • Richard Winchester

      What a pile of crap, it was Barnie Frank, Criss Dodd and President Clinton that caused this financial breakdown! Bill Clinton is the one that forced the banks to make loans to street people and Barnie Frank and Criss Dodd that allowed fannie may and freddie mac run wild with their loans to people who didn’t have a chance of paying their loans.
      In fact George Bush made many attempts to get congress to put a lid on
      this farce and all they could say was “everything is just fine”. So take
      your crap and put it in a dark place.

    • Jim Panzer

      Sally; WW2 ended the Great Depression, not the socialist programs of FDR.

    • Agent Orange

      You think a “progressive Democratic President” (FDR) “with time and patience overcame the Great Depression”? WRONG — it was actually an evil German fascist dictator (Hitler) who brought the Depression to an end by starting World War 2, which put the American economy into recovery mode through military spending! Read up on your history, will ya?

    • Jay Ash

      Sally does not keep up, obviously. Obama did not say he would try to clean up W’s mess. He said he would do a lot of things and in double time. He has failed to do anything good and many things bad!!! He has now found out what it is like to be president and still have to answer to others, namely the voters!Try to keep up.

    • michael

      Might I remind you honeybun, when FDR gave out the new deal w/ all it’s big gov’t, it did not solve the great depression but prolonged it. I read that he even embezzled the money to start that welfare state. He even said that social insecurity would be voluntary.

    • Dee

      Yes, we should thank Obama for being so much like FDR! Are you crazy? Read the book New Deal or Raw Deal, it will open your eyes about the wonderful FDR. Lets see, while the rest of the world in 1936 had ~ 11% unemployment, America, after six years of your hero, had 19.4% unemployment. Excise taxes were placed on just about anything and everything the American consumer bought — these taxes raped the poor and disposed the middle class to the ranks of the poor. Company owners were hounded by the IRS at FDR’s insistence. While millions of Americans STARVED, Roosevelt was paying farmers not to plant crops. What was he using for money? The money he got from taxing these same starving Americans, thats the money he gave farmers.

      This moron and Obama are definitely alike. They both thought that they could redistribute the middle class and rich people’s wealth to the poor by taxing them to death. Obama is in the process of beginning that march into utter madness. FDR tried to tax the rich 100% of earnings over $25,000. The Democratic Congress lowered it to 95% — how thoughtful and humane is that? He also, played the game of “vote for me, get others to vote for me, or you won’t get any federal funds to help create jobs for your unemployed citizens in your state.” How’s that for Chicago thuggery?

      So, please don’t even tell me how great this “intellectual giant” is — you probably either get unemployment, work for the government as a census worker, teacher, secretary, IRS hack, or some such job where you are taking taxpayer money to spout your adoration for this idiot, unless of course you are a socialist or one of Bill Ayers’ zombies.

    • dewey beck

      He was also responsible for the Pearl Harbor attack in 1941, the Vietnam war, Hurricane Katrina, the Spanish-American War, World War I, the Great Depression, as well as several other things I can’t think of right now.

      Honestly, hasn’t the “Blame Bush” mantra about run it’s course????

    • http://verizon clem

      Obama is undoubtedly the worse president EVER! I don’t care what color he is; I am not a racist; obama lacks common intelligence to lead, think, walk and chew gum at the same time. He belongs in a third world country, NOT in AMERICA. Obama is a socialist and no real American wants him here, because he is trying to turn this country into a Chavez dictatorship. Obama should be deported along with Reid and Pelosi to a desert Island that is filled with gooney birds. That would be their domain.

    • http://verizon clem

      Hogwash!!! Obama has created a MESS with his TRILLIONS of dollars of tax payer money that is gone forever. Our grandchildren will be paying his debt. Obama should be tarred and feathered and deported to Chavez land!!! His SLOOOW response to BP while he played his golf and vacationed is sick!! I will never forget. Obama is the most ignorant buffoon ever elected by complete morons!

    • http://roadrunner Kurt

      What are taking ?? The Demogods had control of Congress the last two years of Bush’s Presidency. That is when the excessive spending was going on.
      FDR was the second worst President, after Woodrow Wilson. Now, Obama has won the title of worst President this country has ever had.
      You either failed History or did not pay attention during your History Classes. Take your own advise and do some research, other than using the Soros media/internet.

    • shannon

      Oh my.. really? It’s dubya’s fault? Have we forgotten that the huge gains made on the national debt by Clinton were financed en toto by the fact that the Clinton Admin removed the legal restrictions on Wall Street that were placed there in the Great Depression to ensure that we would not have another depression due to stock market and financial system abuses? And guess what. He turned loose the dogs of profit and it sunk the market. And then the silly dems have the audacity to blame dubya, who made huge attempts to contain the market and the abuses of systems like fanny mae and freddie mac. These attempts to limit the market abuses were blocked by the dems need to fuel a false market by providing risky loans and riskier margins to a sector of the market that could not afford the repay their debt, a sick version of affirmative action, and in turn leveredged the debts right back on to the backs of the taxpayers and middle class. This is how the democratic party has purchased it’s votes for decades now. And they continue to fear monger and promise a free ride to the welfare dependant left… The ignorance and selfishness of it makes me want to cry… My nation is dying, and I can’t stop it.

    • Barbara Van Rooyen

      Sally needs to ride out of our country to Europe with the rest of the bleeding heart liberals – excuse me, Socialists.

      Impeach Obama now while we still have a country left that resembles the USA.



    • Gwen

      Okay Sally, We can easily see where you’re coming from. Stupid City. Also easy to see that you turned down Trains when they were passing out the Brains.

    • Pat E


      Seems you’ve bought into what Academia has pushed down our throats for years…yes it was FDR that was in office during the depression, but it was a Democratically controlled congress that finally stopped his senceless spending before he bankrupted the country even further. The unemployment figures worsened during his years in the Whitehouse and the “new deal” created short term jobs and cost the taxpayers billions with no long term rewards. Oh, isn’t that when the Fed started to get involved with our school systems and why our schools teach that he was the man that brought us out of the depression? My suggestion would be to take a step back and review what he did again, without the bought and payed for academics telling you what they want you to konw. Just like our current president I think you’ll find he delayed economic recovery not resolved it. Free markets work only if you let them. Spending money you’ll never have is NOT and never was good fiscal policy.

    • Norval Hardy

      I believe Obama is merely a product of Chicago “back room government”! He shows no sign of experience that warrants his position as President.

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    • FeddupinUSA

      Sally STOP DRINKING THE KOOL-AID. You obviously don’t hear lies from this liar-in-chief. First it’s not a tax to implement the health scare reform. . . but now it is. Just one more example of the liar in chief draggig poor un-knowing folks like you into a pit of socialism with blinders on.

    • Beryl R. Woodman II

      Now that was written by a true Leftwing Liberal and just as full of B.S. as You can be. What’s wrong with the economy, electing a group of people who want to change America into Obamaland with him as dictator.

    • http://thisone jayjay

      Sally Ride, you must have your head in the sand – you are not facing reality, you are in denial, like alot of Americans. Obama is out to destroy our country, he is the enemy working inside our White House, the worst terrorist to ever hit U.S. soil. And the people are putting up with him, I don’t know why. So until they WAKE UP, we will see more of the same. Remember people in Germany in 1932 were looking for CHANGE as well, and look what happened to them, and THEN the jews. Remember obama is a muslim – NOT a christian. America would do well to educate themselves on what muslims stand for, it’s not for peace, and love, believe me. For the most part, MOST of them are “haters” and hate the U.S. so I don’t think they are here to add anything good to our country. Why do you think they want to build a mosque at Ground Zero? because that’s what muslims do, once they have conquered a particular area, or caused an act of violence, they then proceed to set up a mosque. That’s there way of saying, “we conquered you,”. I hope and pray this doesn’t ever happen – otherwise we are all in trouble.

    • Ron

      Yeah, FDR got us over the depression by getting us into WW II!

    • Jinny

      Sally, please wake up before it is too late!

    • DavidH

      Ms. Ride, you are mistaken. You are mistaken because like everyone else I have read in these responses you are putting the blame on the wrong people. Mr. Bush, Mr. Obama, et al are not the primary cause of our problems…you are, as am I, and anyone else who believes that the governments (local, state, and federal) should forcibly remove wealth from our neighbors to provide us benefits and, should that not suffice, then the governments should pledge wealth not yet created by borrowing, often from those who would harm us given the chance.

      Ms. Ride, Presidents Bush and Obama are merely the enablers – we, the citizens of the United States are the addicts, and we are to blame.

      • Killian

        Dave you could not be more wrong if it hit you in the face. I have never supported the status quo and never will, I’m not an uneducated American. I know that this country has been under assault since it first ratified the constitution and these so called honorable men that just want to serve the people are there for other reasons. Ones they can only see, for the time being. I want you and anyone reading this to know, that these are the last days of this great nation, you can fight it, argue with me on the semantics of the reasons, but in the end you will not only remember these words you will know that there was one person that saw this for the reality that it was. It is truly sad and it truly breaks my american heart to say these words, but look at the people running this country, and then look at what you have to vote for? Then ask yourself am i really wrong? I Know I’m Not.

    • http://none Roger D.

      Bush had his faults and generally was not a good President but remember for the last 2 years of his presidency Democrats controlled Congress. Bush tried to get the problems with Fannie and Freddie solved but the Democrats would not go along with that. Obama has had 18 months to solve these problems and has failed. Plus, by many indications some of these troubles have happened in the past because of the same types of actions. If he is all that smart he should know that and I think he does and is purposely trying to ruin this country. Why does he lie about so many things? Is he a Muslim? Some actions make it seem so. Some people who lived through Hitler’s regime say that Obama is doing the same things as Hitler did at the beginning of his reign. Why has Obama eviscerated NASA? Who received the most campaign funds from BP? Obama!! ETC.

    • Only in America

      I agree. Sally, it didn’t just start the seeds were there.

      Decontrol started around 1980 along with trickle down. Now so many states are also in the poor house. They cut taxes cause they could better spend the money but they didn’t cut the spending. That is similar to the sub primes that people who wanted to have a nice house or to flip houses but didn’t want to pay the mortgage.

      Many talked about the budget but they were never serious. There was always a pet project or war. Face it every thing should be looked at.

      I wonder where all the finger pointers were when this was going down and what rhetoric they were believing.

      • MC

        Hey America – Have you opened up an Economics book lately? Might try that. It may help with your false non-factual beliefs regarding where the financial problems occured.

    • Peter Pepper

      Slly–Sally– Sally

      Aparently you have not been reading the newspapers.

      Dubya. had a 7.trillion deficite.

      Ole Obama has raised up 14 trillion.ND IT’S GOING HIGHER.


    • http://YellowDogsandDemocratHandouts. Lester Havens

      We are 19 months into Obama’s presidential term and you are still blaming Bush. It’s time to own up to your own failures. The unemployment rate was supposed to stop at 8% but it has gone over 10% and now hovers around 9.7%. That’s on Obama’s watch. And if you knew your history, you would know that because of FDR’s policies, the depression hung on for two additional years.

    • Joe

      Let’s forget about party politics. Research thoughtfully and honestly and you will find that what really got the country out of the ” Great Depression “, was the massive buildup that occurred becuase of WWII. How can you say that after being in office for 9 years prior to getting into the war, and still being in the grips of depression, Roosevelt got us out of trouble? All he did was spend,spend,spend and it didn’t work. Does that sound the least bit familiar? Stop thinking in terms of right or left. Instead, think of what is right or wrong. No matter where the action comes from!!

    • Killian

      I know by your comment that you are to young and well stupid to see the truth for what it truly is. How can you separate anyone thats in office, they all represent the same agenda! So next time you want to get on your knees and praise you new ruler, do it in the privacy of your own bedroom, or political sanctuary which ever gets you off the best

    • MC

      Ohhhh please…the GW horse is dead – quit trying to ride it. When can you stand up and take accountability? This guy is hapless. He’s never had a job, never made a payroll and had a free ride his entire life. Take a look at the debt and deficit expansion over the last year. Wake up, do some honest research and try to face the truth. Stop your Democrat party loyalist crap and exercise some critical, analytical and then logical thinking. This clown is tearing down this country economically and socially. It’s this stupid party loyalty status quo crap that is sinking us. The problem is that we have a Socialist in the White House with a bunch of self-serving power mongers lined up to take care of themselves saying to hell with the country. Another point – FDR caused much of the woes of the Great Depression. Do some honest research there if you care to know the truth. Sometimes the truth is inconvenient. The rest of the world was out of their depression after about 18 months. Now, get off the dead GW horse, do some honest research and I think you will find that the only way we will fix this is if we boot most of Congress out along with this unqualified prez. So, can you face the truth?

    • Dave P

      Our economy started going bad in 2007 after democrats took over control of Congress and Obama was part of that congress. They did nothing except debate cap nd trade as gas prices soared past $4 a gallon which brough on our unemployment problem

    • spike

      I think you are delusional–just like my mother. “the problems inthis country are George Dubya”…Yeah, well got news for ya, sally. The calls and the volume of calls I got from mortgage brokers during the Clinton years were OBSCENE. Everytime I answered the phone it was someone else wanting to refi me or sell me a “debt consolidation loan” and guess what — they were all ALL adjustable rates that had to be refinanced…I never did any of this, because I am self employed and you couldn’t PAY ME to finance anything ANYTHING with an adjustable rate…George Bush was not a wonderful president. He was friends with Ken Lay and lots of smarmy characters the same as the Clintons and NO WHERE NEAR OBAMA…The only saving grace we had for a few years was a Repub. congress. So, Sally, Just like a typical Obama supporter (not to mention obama himself)STOP BLAMING BUSH!!! HE (OBAMA) CAMPAIGNED WILLINGLY FOR THE JOB!! OKAY? Stop defaulting and being a blame shifter, Okay, Bill (clinton)?

  • Carolyn Lingerfelt

    I srongly disagree with Sally Ride

    • FedupinNC

      I’m with you Carolyn… wow, what planet does Sally live on? (by her name I’m guessing THE MOON???) He’s been in office for 18 months and hasn’t down ONE damn thing EXCEPT destroy this country. Wake up Sally and THEN COME BACK TO EARTH!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        All he has done, and continue to do, is point the finger and place blame. He is part of the problem, instead of being part of the solution. Im glad his time is almost over. The sooner, the better for the United States of America.

      • Average Joe

        Actually, Sally Ride never made it that far (the Moon). The shuttle was placed in orbit around the Earth….and just kept going in circles… a void…..

        Never insult anyone by accident.
        Robert A. Heinlein

        • TIME

          Always insult someone as fast as you can, it aids in your good health.

          • Average Joe

            lol…correct you are…just make sure it’s intentional…..

      • possum

        Amen fedup in NC

  • Greg

    With due respect to Sally and maybe Carolyn…
    The problems with our economy are deeper than Bush or Obama. Don’t trust either one. It is the greater part of our political/financial ruling elite that have us here in large part by design. Bush and Obama are not very different in their economics. They have all been tools of this elite since 1913 but for Reagan’s first couple of years, then he made a bit of peace with them.
    In this case, the problems were a long time coming due to both parties, but Obama’s medicine is like chemo-therapy that we know will kill the patient and actually work with the cancer to kill said patient.

    • JC

      Exactly right.

    • Anthony

      After Bush 1 attempted to off him in that 1981 assassination attempt.

  • AnhydrousBob

    I am currently reading a book by Thomas J DiLorenzo titled “The Real Lincoln”.

    According to Mr DiLorenzo (and well documented), Lincoln, as a predecessor to FDR and acting in the spirit of Alexander Hamilton, was the first president to massively usurp the executive powers of the constitution as he implemented what he called the “American System”.

    I have noticed quite a few parallels between Lincoln’s actions then, and the current president’s actions now. Not so much what is being done as much as the attitude and tone behind these actions.

    • tg7357

      You are correct that Lincoln did usurp a lot of power during his administration. Civil War or not, the Union government played fast and loose with a lot of articles of the Constitution before, during and after the war. However, I don’t think Lincoln did it because he wanted to turn the US into another Soviet Russia (like a certain other president I could name wants to). I think most of Lincoln’s motives were aimed at doing what had to be done to put the Union back together again and end the war. Pure motives, but very bad application.

      • Average Joe

        ” I think most of Lincoln’s motives were aimed at doing what had to be done to put the Union back together again and end the war”.

        However, had Lincoln not overridden States rights’ as set forth in the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights and signed the first executive order (Exec. order 100)declaring Marshal Law…there would have been no divided Union…just divided opinions. Nor would 620,000 citizens have had to die for exercizing their inalienable rights to “Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”.

        “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.”

        ~ Daniel Webster, US statesman, lawyer, and orator (1782 – 1852)

        • Hugh Jordin

          Don’t forget, however, that before the Civil War there were plenty of Americans that had NO right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They were slaves.

          True, the Texas school board would have us believe that the Civil War was about states rights and not slavery, but then they also want to place the myth of creationism on a par with science, and wright Thomas Jefferson out of the history books because they disagree with his philosophy of separation of church and state.

          • Nightowl872

            Yup, it was about states rights. Lincoln usurped the constitution, which guaranteed the states the RIGHT to secced.

          • spike

            Okay, Hugh, just like an Obama supporter to twist the facts. Jefferson was not “for separation of church and state” we have the written articles to prove it. And if you can prove creationism was or is a MYTH then have at it. I for one, will not have you poking your finger in the eye of the Almighty God who created this earth. Got that? If you believe in something (and even Einstein believed in intelligent design) other than that, our Constitution gives you the right to so do. But in so doing, do not diss my fait nor my God. Got it?

        • Anthony

          AJ -

          I disagree with our comment abuot their not possibly being any States who were going to secede. This was about Tarriffs against the agregarian south, fostered by the wealthy in the North. The very same who had worked with Congress to disallow the south the option of selling their cotton to anyone but the North.

          Everyone needs to read the tariff nonsense that was going on for several decades, not just a few years… even when Jackson was President, this ARGUMENT was center stage. The southern states were tired of being subjegated as if King George had been reborn. In truth, there was no call for it, either … it was all about the mercantilism atittude they all fled from in England.

          AND – even though the Central Bank had been killed by Andrew Jackson. That same Banking Cartel, from Europe still found it very easy to enlist greedy politicians and others to keep hacking at America so they could eventually get that Central Bank back in place… i.e. – THE FED. This isn’t just a seasonal process or some game. They’ve been at it, first in Europe and then in this Country, for over 300 years.

          Is anyone ready to be more vigilant?

          • Average Joe

            Anthony says:
            July 14, 2010 at 10:07 pm
            AJ –

            I disagree with our comment abuot their not possibly being any States who were going to secede.
            I never said that there was no possibility of states seceding, because there was always that possibility. The Constitution is a contract between the government and the people, setting forth rules that the government must follow not rules that the people must follow.
            When the Federal Government overstepped it’s constitutional authority, the states were within their rights to petition the government for redress of grievences and if the government rufused to address those grievences…the states were within their rights to nullify the contract and secede…since the Federal Government had already broken the contract and refused to adress it in a lawful manner. The problem was (and is) that the Federal Government did not want to hear that the states were going to “take their toys and go home”…so they decide to play schoolyard bully…exactly as they still do today…Arizona 1070 and the oil drilling moratorium are two perfect examples. 1070…we aren’t going to do our jobs…but you aren’t either….Oil drilling moratorium…Judge says it’s unconstitutional… vague….Obama says I don’t care…I’ll just make another moratorium…if you shoot it down…I’ll just do another one…..endlessly….
            I was simply stating that had the Federal Government acted responsibly and Constitutionally…..the civil war may never have had to happen.
            As for the rest of your post, I agree wholeheartedly.

            Hugh Jordin says:
            July 14, 2010 at 7:08 pm
            Don’t forget, however, that before the Civil War there were plenty of Americans that had NO right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They were slaves.
            They were slaves..lawfully, whether we like it or not (please don’t assume that I am racisist because of that statement…it is just a fact).Please do not forget that all slaves were not black nor were all slave owners white.
            There were and are ways to deal with businesses (or states) that we find offensive (whether racially or other)…we can simply refuse to do business with them…money equals livlihood….cut that off and the bottom line wins out every time.

        • Sally S.

          There is nothing “average” about you Joe.

          • Average Joe

            Sally S.,
            Your reasoning?

      • AnhydrousBob


        I used to think much like you expressed, that Lincoln did what was necessary to save the union. But when you hold his actions up to the light of day, and see, in his own words, what his goals and aims were, you’ll be astounded. Most of the book uses Lincoln’s own words and even those his lauding biographers to prove his real agenda. Most admit he over stepped the Constitution, but make excuses as to why it was necessary.
        I grew up in the South and heard a lot of this from my grandparents generation, but figured they were just backward and couldn’t let go of the loss. But now I see exactly what the public school was doing to me all along – propaganda is very important to “changing the world”

        • spike

          Okay, Lincoln was a bad guy, now. Well, why don’t one of you tell me why slavery was right at all. Why was it ever allowed, and why it should not have been abolished. No state has the right to hold another man hostage and exploit or extort work from him . Period. end of discussion. I too am reading about 3 books about Lincoln. I haven’t seen any of this (yet) I will look.

    • CJ

      You really need to read back into US History. During reconstruction, Lincoln made the southern states sign oath’s of allegiance to the Union by only 10% of the 1860 voters before they could start a new state governement. 10%! Would anybody today put up with that today? And even though Lincoln was a Republican, they were the LIBERALS! What we have today is a close resemblance to what Jefferson was trying to make, and there was a BIG rebellion to that. We’re just repeating history, folks.

    • alpha-lemming

      Nice to see “real” history makin’ a reunion tour.

    • duggy dugg

      big claims ; back them up ! lincoln opposed the central bank, the predecessor of the ngo “fed” ; he ordered u s notes to be printed up ; bypassing the central bank and its interest bearing debt cost ! hamilton was the architect of the bank of the united states ; a fake central bank owned by bigg banxx and the european bank dynasty known as the red shield bank [roth schield]

      • Average Joe

        It wasn’t the banks he was opposed to (he actually attempted to borrow from the banks), so much as the fact that they wanted 40% interest to finance the war effort…pretty steep interest rates…that is why he issued “greenbacks”….no interest….

  • tg7357

    Hoover was a worthless pretty boy and so is Obama. The Chicago political machine produces another looser in 2008 who must have committed the Hoover playbook to memory.

    • Mark

      Obama is a pretty boy?? If you thinks so that please have your eyes checked.

      • tg7357

        “Pretty’ as in a trashy paperback romance novel cover kinda way. Remember when ABC or CNN or whoever was drooling over his ‘glistening pectorals’ and all that nonsense? Of course, trashy is as trashy writes I guess. CNNDenial these days rates right up there with ‘The National Enquirer’. Maybe I should have said ‘Introducing the New Fabio!!” ??

        • American Citizen

          You can list MSNBC right along with this. I was channel surfing, had it on there just long enough to hear the talking head say the tea party if full of racists and couldn’t turn it off fast enough.

  • tg7357

    ” Is President Obama As Hapless As Herbert Hoover? ” Thats a big 10-4 good buddy. And then some.

  • Ellen

    Barry Soetoro hapless? I do not think so. I think he behaves shrewdly and in just as his handlers dictate. This creature is so un- and anti-American. Yes, Chicago has indeed produced another total loser who is killing America very quickly.

    Impeach him NOW.

  • Momo

    To: Sally Ride,

    First we all know Bush left a lot to be desired, but Obama has been in office for 18 months, HE OWNS THIS ECONOMY NOW. It’s his and its time to quit blaming Bush. The only thing this fool has done is tripled the national debt. Unemployment is still above 8 percent, something that was never going to happen with the passage of the stimulus bill. As for FDR overcoming the Great Depression the recovery began on December 7, 1941, on December 8, 1941 we had full employment!!!!!

    • spike

      Thanks, Momo, you seem to be able to stop the blame game

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    And we are still paying in this country for all the FDR induced baloney he brought. Voluntary federal income tax anyone?

  • Bob

    This is not happening by accident. As for being Republican or Democrat they are all controlled by big money. Won’t you people ever wake up and see what’s really happening.

    • TIME

      Bob Good post!

    • Hugh Jordin


    • Claire

      Bob—Alas, common sense. I am glad you realize that both parties had/have a hand in this mess. Now if more people would realize this, then maybe a third party would benefit and get elected. Too many people still cling to their parties. And why? These parties have sold us down the river, as so to speak. I am no longer glued to either party.

    • Sally S.

      Absolutely right. Observe the Bilderberger’s. Everything that’s happening to America was a well-planned initiative….. and well-documented in literature I read as a young adult, provided by the John Birch Society.

      • Sally S.

        Correction: Bilderberg’s

  • Mary Smith

    Those blambing Bush, should remember, congress was democrat controlled since 2006.
    Obama’s debt is more than any president since the beginning of our country.

    • JC

      True. And something the progressives would rather we didn’t point out.

      • vicki

        We should probably point it out again. Had bush not squandered the supposed surplus left by Clinton Obama would have spent more than all the previous presidents combined and the (non-existant) Clinton surplus too. So where is the change?

        Sooner or later they will notice that the problem is OBAMA not bush.

        • American Citizen

          You’re right, there was no real surplus left by Clinton, it was all Democrat math.

          • Vicki

            Must be that “new math” being taught in public schools :)

  • Les

    Didn’t the Dems own the House & the Senate since 2006? I vaguely remember Pelosi’s first 100 days when nothing really happened. The only thing that happened before 2008 was the pay raises that they always seem to get. I’m still trying to figure out how the economic crash is solely the blame of President Bush. Personally I see 2 sides of the same coin. The only thing both parties do is spend, spend, spend. Meanwhile a lot of us are hurting while they keep grabbing. A dictatorship can be your own government. “Life, Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness” only applies to politicians today. Free travel, free staff, automatic pay raises, free health care, nice retirement etc. Riding their success to the bankruptcy of the United States of America.

    • Ken Roberts

      And ride it they will , it is a problem, we have survived many things in the time we have been here , this to shall pass . and when we get things up righted again we will prosper but we also need to educate our children about left winged policies and the damage it does to any nation . Hitler Stalin Mao Marx, all the dictators who promised a garden of Eden for all and wound up killing millions of their own people . If the history books are wrong then teach them yourself do not let the left destroy our real history. Find real books with the truth in them and save them, for the time will come they will come in handy .

      • Mark

        Ken, when was Marx a dictator? I must have missed that part of the world history.

        • vicki

          you missed a subtle point of English grammar.

          “…we also need to educate our children about left winged policies and the damage it does to any nation . Hitler Stalin Mao Marx, all the dictators who promised a garden of Eden for all and wound up killing millions of their own people .

          Hitler Stalin Mao Marx, are the people espoused left winged policies.

          There is a comma followed by “all the dictators who promised…”

          So as you see he was not naming dictators. He did point out that all the dictators who promised a garden of eden for all did kill millions of their own people.

          The concept might have been better written with a new sentence rather than a comma.

  • tg7357

    We can thnak the FDR administration for Social Security–the Government owned Ponzi scheme

    • JeffH

      Which Political Party took Social Security from the Independent “Trust Fund” and put it into the General Fund so that Congress could spend it? It was Lyndon B. Johnson and the democratically Controlled House and Senate. Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities? The Democratic Party, with Al Gore as casting the “tie-breaking” deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the US.
      Which Political Party decided to start giving Annuity payments to immigrants? Jimmie Carter and the Democratic Party.
      Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it! Then, after violating the original contract, FICA, the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!

      • eddie47d

        Well,Don’t they?

        • DaveH

          Please explain your comment, Eddie. Do you think the Republicans want to take Social Security away from those who paid into it? And if so, could you provide some references?

          • JeffH

            DaveH, you should know better than to ask a valid question to fast eddie.

          • eddie47d

            Glenn Beck is even on the get rid of S.S. bandwagon. A few on this site have even stated they want it gone.

          • Claire

            Both parties have destroyed SS. They couldn’t keep their dirty hands out of it. So now the radio talk show parasites and the biased news media want to get rid of it too, because they think this is what everybody wants to hear and keep in mind these parasites know people will listen to them. Not me. I know what they are doing–they are trying to keep the dissent and turmoil going. And they have become rich from spreading their hateful diatribe.
            Ask the senior citizens what they think of SS. Do they want to get rid of it? Ask the people that have paid into SS and the ones that are still paying into it. I think it was a good program and it would have continued to work if the administrations had left it alone and did not steal the money for their so-called agendas. But like I always say, it takes politicians to ruin anything and everything that may be good for America and all Americans.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie…so? Your point?

          • JeffH

            Claire, anyhing our government gets their hands on they screw up, no matter how good it might be…I’ll note that “our government” is made up of both Democrats and Republicans…

          • DaveH

            Fast Eddie, stopping the SS payment to people who paid in and eliminating the SS program are two different animals. I think you know that.

          • DaveH

            No program that is forced on the individual is a “good program”. I could have done much better with that money than the government did. And even if they could do better, nobody has the right to take your money away ‘for your own good’. Only the controlling, thieving Democrats could rationalize that.

          • Claire

            DaveH–As much as I have always agreed with your opinions, I will not change my mind about what I think about SS. It WAS a good program in the beginning, and for a number of years it was operated correctly. However, as I said in my post, all administrations stole from it, thereby breaking the system. Not everyone has wealth. Not everyone was born with a silver spoon in their mouths. Sometimes a person cannot save during their lifetime, because of a child’s illness, their illness, and other situations that were beyond their control. A number of people do not make fantastic salaries. At least when they retired, they had this money coming in. Sure, people could have put the money in the stock market, etc. but look what happened with the stock market. Wall Street cannot be trusted, they became too greedy, and a person doesn’t earn much interest in a bank savings account. Forced program, I don’t look at it that way. I look at it differently. I look at it from the standpoint that people would have money coming in when they retire or are no longer able to work due to unfortunate happenings in life. It is not depending upon the government for a handout, people paid into this program. I still think SS was a good program and nothing will change my mind. If this makes me a Socialist, then so be it.

  • Joe

    This is not one mans fault . There is plenty of blame to go around !
    Dems and Reps. Two heads one snake ! If we want to create jobs , burn D.C and rebuild it ! Vote out all incombents ! Vote Ind. or Libratarian !

    • Mark

      Best rule to vote by, is – don’t vote for ANY lawyer.

      • DaveH

        I second that motion.

    • Claire

      Joe–I am inclined to agree with you.

  • R. Saenz

    $2.4 trillion added to the budget deficit since “The Chosen One” took office? And that’s Bush’s fault? Give me a break!!
    Like a typical left-wing liberal, Obama’s solution to economic problems is to throw money at them. This man never held a job in the private sector, let alone run a business. Having said that, how does he expect to be able to run the U. S. economy?

    • Momo

      This fool couldn’t make a pay toilet profitable during a diarrhea epidemic.

      • richeyrich

        Momo; this has to be the best comment yet. So funny !

    • vicki

      Not just throw money. Throw someone else’s money.

      • Chuck

        If you as an individual working for wages or are self employed you are contributing to FICA with little or return in your future, we all know that. So do your own thing, save at least 10% of you wage, invest an amount monthly or quarterly in sound corporations, stock, bonds, cities, states, municipal bonds etc and then continue to invest until the day you retire, economc history shows that such an investment idea works. I told my economic student this for 35 years of teaching and some are now retired and come by to say “thanks”. Ignor FICA, if you depend on it for survival after retirement you are in BIG trouble.

  • Katherine

    I agree with Bob, both parties are corrupted by Lobbyist
    and big corporations paying politicians off to advance
    their causes, which usually puts the screws to the regular
    working guy in America. Basically the way government has let
    the big corporations run – they have made the rich richer and
    edging out the middle class completely in America. So we have
    MULTI MILLIONAIRES & BILLIONAIRES, and most of us struggle to
    pay for our necessities. Once upon a time earlier in this past
    century, the working class and middle managment had about a 15-20%
    difference in pay; and middle management & top tier executives the
    difference was 30% in wages. Now that percentage has incresed to
    above 300%. So yes, it didn’t all happen on Bush’s watch or OBAMAS,
    but at the same time neither has put out the fire that causes all
    this insanity and I don’t know if this out of control train can be
    stopped. Both parties should be revamped and lobbying should be
    against the law and career politicians should not exist. The president serves only 2 terms and governors – why does congressmen
    and senators get a pass. They all are corrupt after one term generally.

    • Mickey de Rham

      Right on Katherine!

    • Hugh Jordin

      Good thinking. There should be term limits for congress to avoid petty politicians becoming petty dictators.

      The public should take the responsibility of voting long-term incumbents of either party out.

      • DaveH

        Imagine how badly the current crop of Congressmen would behave if they weren’t worried about re-election.
        There is no substitute for the voters educating themselves about who they are voting for.

    • Claire

      Katherine— I agree.

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  • Joseph C. Moore, USN Ret.

    ]Whenever the public wakes up and realizes that there will be no salvation by voting either major party, then will this country return to its former great Republic status. Independent or Libertarian? Well, I am Libertarian but it is still extremely difficult to overcome the mindset of a public that has been brainwashed by the two-party dogma. Only when the public realizes that Big Government, two-party voting is the CAUSE and not the ANSWER, can, and will the country return to sanity.

  • http://hotmail JoAnn Foss

    re: sally ride reply ~ someone said something similiar to everyone has an opinion ~ even Aholes ~ you get the idea ~ as for giving Obummer a boost ~ how about with the toe of a boot ~ OUT of our cherished white house & into our infamous federal prision system ~
    that SOB has done more irrepairable damage than we will ever
    know ~ damage that our grandchildren will pay for dearly ~
    hope those who keep harking on impeachment & treason etc
    will do more than talk ~ what’s another saying~talk is cheap ~
    hope those who are freely writing all the bitch gripe &
    complain articles will get off their duffs & FINALLY walk the walk ~
    they’re already doing a LOT of talk the talk ~

  • http://hotmail JoAnn Foss

    re: Ken Roberts ~ you left out one MAJOR dictatorship Soetoro (spelling?) well, referring to that $@@#!#% that is defiling our white house, our freedom, our economy, our government, & THIS countries way of life (NOT his country ~ that’s 1/2 way around the world !!!) …
    Oh, by the way ~MOST if not all of the “discontents” are
    NOT racially motivated ~ color has NEVER been an issue,
    as that #$%#%$%&%&^ tyrant tries to make people think ~
    but then, he’s been ABSOLUTELY wrong about everything else ~
    he just uses that as another one of his excuses ~
    he’s really GOOD at pointing fingers ~ how about at that mirror??
    wonder ~ does he EVER look in the mirror when the words corruption
    & greed are used ??? but then, probably his HUGE ego gets in the way ……

    • Christin

      obama is the most arrogant President of the United States of America that I have ever seen.

      And HE is the racist… he subscribes to Black Liberation Theology. He and others like him believe that the Jews/Whites are the opppressors and have taken money and position and THEY will not receive collective salvation unless they bring those two groups to their knees and take their money and job away from them.

      Such an anti-Christian belief. God says in the Bible, if you don’t work you don’t eat…. and idleness is the work of the devil.
      And salvation is between you, the individual, and God. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. No gets to the Father, but through the Son.

      I worked hard for what I have and have earned it, not taken it.

      • eddie47d

        He thinks Jews are the oppressors? What a crock so that makes you the biased racist.

        • JeffH

          fast eddie, I thought you didn’t approve of name calling yet here you go…prove him wrong…makes a much better defense yhan your usual uninformed…uhuh!

          • eddie47d

            Christin said it and I’ll stand by what I said and i’m not writing a book to satisfy a shallow minion like you.

          • JeffH

            …now fast eddie that’s name calling…but of course, you have no other defensive mechanism in place…what’s a minion?

        • DaveH

          How does that make him the biased racist, Eddie? I can’t follow your logic there. But then, I rarely can.

  • http://gmail i41

    Congress has been getting Colas very year of at least 3% or if Cola is 4% is is which every is greater, since the early 80′s. All passed
    under Dem. controlled Congress and done as a democrat way, slipped in another bill. Usually Congress’s is $5,000 + to $15,000 a years. Never see any of these bloated toads ever, take a hit on lower wages or getting rid of perks. I think since the failing of our economy, all federal employees including the Prez, if the economy shrinks their pay rate shrinks also, and they have to wait for 4 years to increase it,
    if the economy is growing and propursing, but if it shrinks just once, in four years, they wait another 4 years. Teddy R, an eleitist, wanted parks, which was fine for a few, but with so many millions of acres are now just a costly eye candy, that costs taxpayers’s billions to maintain, and in some cases cann’t be cared for, same goes for wilderness areas, all non productive or on the tax rolls. Republicans like Nelson Rockefellar, was a classic rino eleitist just like TR, of course NY liberal, which usually will creep at a slower pace of socialistic bent, but all Democrats are socialist completely, but the present class of Democrats, are marxist to the core and with their muslim horse puck leader, are on a run away path to a dictatoral take over of the USA! We would all like to see if there is one democrats that isn’t a scialist to the core.

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  • Thomas G Kroger

    We need someone with Ron Paul’s insight to lead this great nation out of the morass into which we have fallen. We will not have lasting prosperity unless and until we get rid of both the illegal and unconstitutional Federal Reserve and the abominable income tax (16th Amendment) and IRS which exists primarily to collect interest payments on the national debt, Our birthright as Americans was a sound, fully redeemable (and debt-free) currency. This birthright was stolen in 1913 – we the people allowed it. And that is where the blame should sit. America needs to read The Creature from Jeckyll Island by Edward Griffin. You cannot be both ignorant and free.

  • http://gmail i41

    Go after the morons JoAnn, keep on whacking those marxist smucks, just like a sloped rented mule, or a jackass, which is their iconic symbol!

  • Raggs

    obama wants to collapse the economy to gain control over it….Pretty simple stuff…. Create a crisis, and wait until the right momment to take over to gain control over it. All communist do it….

  • http://gmail i41

    Ron Paul berleives in an isolationast policy, it will create another mess like USA had with FDR, down the road. Earlier post should be, sloped eared mule, Barry probly can wage his cartlige out croppingson the sides of his skull, we know his does alot braying and kicking in the air.

    • LimestoneFreedom

      I was wondering about that “rented Mule” *L* I think “Isolationist” is a term used by those of the New World Order people to dismiss and downplay anyone who doesn’t want to go along with their grand ideas. If it means being branded an isolationist to want US to be a strong INDEPENDENT country, the so be it. As far as I am concerned we need to get the UN out of the U.S., tell the WHO where to go, stop throwing our money away through the IMF, and take care of our own people first. Abolishing the Federal Reserve and the IRS would be a great start. Right now those things are not possible, until nearly all the politicians in DC are voted out… so REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!!

    • DaveH

      Not condoning the US as the world’s policemen, and isolationism are two different concepts. The tag isolationist is purposely misused by the military state to manipulate the citizens.
      Ron Paul is not an Isolationist. To the contrary, he believes in free trade, which by definition involves other countries.

  • The Work Farce

    Speaking of lollipops, Uncle Sam himself has a magic peppermint stick lollipop. It’s called war. And the more people of the world suck on it the longer it lasts. This magic lollipop used to make Uncle Sam rich. Now it’s making him poor. Go figure.

    • Les

      It didn’t make Uncle Sam rich, it made Lockheed, TRW, General Dynamics & and several hundred other contracting companies filthy stinking rich. That’s the primary reason for keeping us stressed by terrorism. So that we won’t ask why. They learned a great lesson when the Cold War ended, when the war ended so did the funding. So they found a new enemy that will never go away. And this is just the tip of the iceberg, since you have know idea how many of our “leaders” have a vested interest in these companies.

  • Russell

    Is “one man one vote” still in effect?

    Corporations and unions “don’t have a vote” are for sale. What do corporations and unions want in return for their donations to the parties?

    We the people “all have a vote” are for sale. What do “We the people” get in return for our vote? Fifty percent pay no income tax, fifty percent get some sort of largess from the government. (Welfare, food stamps, subsidies housing, farm subsides, and many more.)

    The first amendment gives us the right to voice our opinion but it does not give us the right to demand that the government be our sugar daddy. If we are a compassionate nation, then why do we demand that the government take over the responsibility that should be that of the “We the people”

    Why do we have a constitution? Is it something to hang on the wall like a picture? Or is it a blueprint for neighbors to be neighborly and to keep the government from interfering.

    Our founding fathers established three equal branches of government and that each branch was to ride heard on the other two. Who is going to stop the fiasco that has penetrated the legislation and administration. The only one that can stop this fiasco is the judicial to follow the costitution and declare that the “free lunch” is unconstitutional. We can’t depend on “we the people” to do the job.

  • Arkie

    When will be get a president that believes in the constitution.

  • SFRider

    So, I read this article, but the only reason I could find in it to compare Obama to Hoover is that they were both President during a major recession/depression. Didn’t see any comparison of policies, actions, etc., that might indicate similarities. Meanwhile, hopefully those who follow John’s apocalyptic advice about the stock market and gold will not blame Obama when they discover that was a losing strategy.

    • DaveH

      And similarly, don’t complain to us when your cash money becomes worthless.
      Rider, you should study the modern history of Argentina. Wikipedia has at least two good articles. In the early 1900′s their economy was ranked 10th in the world. Now they are 37th. We are following in their footsteps.

  • Steve


    In times such as these, we need only to look at world history. The ancient civilizations of Persia and Greece come to mind. One might consider the history of the British or Roman Empires; Napoleonic France or Spain; also the dynasties of the Chinese and Japanese Emperors, along with the Egyptian Pharos, or the Mayans and Aztecs. All of these republics, empires and dynasties have fallen upon the dust heap of history. Do these once great societies have any meaning in our present day? Oh yes! Big time!

    The study of these civilizations was the basis and foundation for our Constitutional Republic. Madison, Jefferson, Hamilton, Adams and all our founding fathers studied how these civilizations emerged, evolved and eventually failed. Our founders answered these rises and collapses of past civilizations with the Great American Experiment; The Constitution of the United States of America; our map for continuing success.

    Our grand document is based on the creation, evolvement and failure of every civilization in history. It was conceived through the wisdom of all the grand thinkers in world history. (Thinkers and philosophers who knew that their history would be important to some future civilization and they were intelligent enough to write it down or carve it in stone) Our Constitution is a document written to preserve individual liberty and to organize a union of separate states, into a Federal Union; The United States of America.

    Why do we now fail our Constitution? Why don’t we teach more of it in public and private schools? Why do politicians and judges say it’s outdated? The reality is that we are at the crossroads between the success or failure of our Constitutional Republic. This Great Document needs to be honored and cherished dearly.

    Our Congress; the Senate and House of Representatives, is now failing us by passing legislation that they do not read before they vote on it’s passage. Our President is failing our country by signing this unread legislation into law. We might call this a failure of their Oath of Office. Or we might call it a failure of our national identity. Either way, we can not continue to exist as a nation under these failures in government.

    Ancient Rome is a prime example. Senators of the Roman Republic sat in their Coliseum seats, along with the Roman Emperors. They watched as slaves fought gladiators and cheered for blood. They watched as Christians were eaten by lions while the minions screamed for more blood. Those Senators allowed the decline of the Roman Republic by their lack of concern, accession and decadence. Eventually, their appeasements to the Caesars contributed to the decline of the Republic and the Empire. All was lost as hoards of barbarians over-ran a militarily-over-extended, over-taxed, Roman Empire.

    That barbarism was unmatched until the 20th century, when Marxist/Socialist/Communism overtook Russia and Eastern Europe, culminating in the deaths of 50 million human beings. All of them murdered and starved by a mentally ill, psychotic-paranoid, Joseph Stalin; along with his secret police.

    Adolph Hitler murdered 6 million Jews. Joseph Stalin murdered 50 million of his own Soviet people. The German people were compliant with Hitler and the Soviets with Stalin. They followed those leaders to their graves. The Roman Senators were compliant with the Caesars. Rome fell, as all great civilizations did in time. None of those civilizations had a living Constitution: a map for success throughout the ages. Our nation has one and it’s high time our Congress and our President start abiding by it.

    The failure to follow our Founding Fathers’ map has lead America down the wrong road; to the crossroads we find ourselves looking upon. A “fundamental change in America”, we do not need. What we do need, is to return to a “foundation based on our Constitution”. We should command the respect due to us and their Oath of Office, from all our elected officials in city, county, state and federal government. Only that respect to their Constitutional Oaths and to the People, will save this country from the dust heap of history. We, as a free Nation, still have the right to demand that of our elected representatives. This is the duty and the responsibility of every citizen in a Constitutional Republic. Demand it! Vote for it! Pass it on to everyone!!

    If you are an American Patriot, then please, remember this on November 2, 2010. VOTE !

    God’s Speed America!

    • coal miner

      The Struggles of Labor
      United States History

      The life of a 19th-century American industrial worker was far from easy. Even in good times wages were low, hours long and working conditions hazardous. Little of the wealth which the growth of the nation had generated went to its workers. The situation was worse for women and children, who made up a high percentage of the work force in some industries and often received but a fraction of the wages a man could earn. Periodic economic crises swept the nation, further eroding industrial wages and producing high levels of unemployment.

      At the same time, the technological improvements, which added so much to the nation’s productivity, continually reduced the demand for skilled labor. Yet the unskilled labor pool was constantly growing, as unprecedented numbers of immigrants — 18 million between 1880 and 1910 — entered the country, eager for work.

      Before 1874, when Massachusetts passed the nation’s first legislation limiting the number of hours women and child factory workers could perform to 10 hours a day, virtually no labor legislation existed in the country. Indeed, it was not until the 1930s that the federal government would become actively involved. Until then, the field was left to the state and local authorities, few of whom were as responsive to the workers as they were to wealthy industrialists.

      The laissez-faire capitalism, which dominated the second half of the 19th century and fostered huge concentrations of wealth and power, was backed by a judiciary which time and again ruled against those who challenged the system. In this, they were merely following the prevailing philosophy of the times. As John D. Rockefeller is reported to have said: “the growth of a large business is merely a survival of the fittest.” This “Social Darwinism,” as it was known, had many proponents who argued that any attempt to regulate business was tantamount to impeding the natural evolution of the species.

      Yet the costs of this indifference to the victims of capital were high. For millions, living and working conditions were poor, and the hope of escaping from a lifetime of poverty slight. As late as the year 1900, the United States had the highest job-related fatality rate of any industrialized nation in the world. Most industrial workers still worked a 10-hour day (12 hours in the steel industry), yet earned from 20 to 40 percent less than the minimum deemed necessary for a decent life. The situation was only worse for children, whose numbers in the work force doubled between 1870 and 1900.

      The first major effort to organize workers’ groups on a nationwide basis appeared with The Noble Order of the Knights of Labor in 1869. Originally a secret, ritualistic society organized by Philadelphia garment workers, it was open to all workers, including blacks, women and farmers. The Knights grew slowly until they succeeded in facing down the great railroad baron, Jay Gould, in an 1885 strike. Within a year they added 500,000 workers to their rolls.

      The Knights of Labor soon fell into decline, however, and their place in the labor movement was gradually taken by the American Federation of Labor (AFL). Rather than open its membership to all, the AFL, under former cigar union official Samuel Gompers, focused on skilled workers. His objectives were “pure and simple” and apolitical: increasing wages, reducing hours and improving working conditions. As such, Gompers helped turn the labor movement away from the socialist views earlier labor leaders had espoused.

      Still, labor’s goals — and the unwillingness of capital to grant them — resulted in the most violent labor conflicts in the nation’s history. The first of these occurred with the Great Rail Strike of 1877, when rail workers across the nation went out on strike in response to a 10-percent pay cut. Attempts to break the strike led to rioting and wide-scale destruction in several cities: Baltimore, Maryland; Chicago, Illinois; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; Buffalo, New York; and San Francisco, California. Federal troops had to be sent in at several locations before the strike was ended.

      The Haymarket Square incident took place nine years later, when someone threw a bomb into a meeting called to discuss an ongoing strike at the McCormick Harvester Company in Chicago. In the ensuing melee, nine people were killed and some 60 injured.

      Next came the riots of 1892 at Carnegie’s steel works in Homestead, Pennsylvania. A group of 300 Pinkerton detectives the company had hired to break a bitter strike by the Amalgamated Association of Iron, Steel and Tin Workers were fired upon and 10 were killed. The National Guard was called in as a result, non-union workers hired and the strike broken. Unions were not let back into the plant until 1937.

      Two years later, wage cuts at the Pullman Palace Car Company just outside Chicago, led to a strike, which, with the support of the American Railway Union, soon tied up much of the country’s rail system. As the situation deteriorated, U.S. Attorney General Richard Olney, himself a former railroad lawyer, deputized over 3,000 men in an attempt to keep the rails open. This was followed by a federal court injunction against union interference with the trains. When rioting ensued, President Cleveland sent in federal troops, and the strike was eventually broken.

      The most militant of the strike-prone unions was the International Workers of the World (IWW). Formed from an amalgam of unions fighting for better conditions in the West’s mining industry, the IWW, or “Wobblies” as they were commonly known, gained particular prominence from the Colorado mine clashes of 1903 and the singularly brutal fashion in which they were put down. Openly calling for class warfare, the Wobblies gained many adherents after they won a difficult strike battle in the textile mills of Lawrence, Massachusetts, in 1912. Their call for work stoppages in the midst of World War I, however, led to a government crackdown in 1917, which virtually destroyed them.

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      • eddie47d

        Thanks for reminding Americans of the difficulties there were in achieving success and a strong middle class in our working environment.

        • JeffH

          I knew there was a strong bond there…

          • eddie47d

            I knew you were biased against harworking Americans and you didn’t even have to say much. Your loyality to the banks and wall street and those who exploit us is loud and clear. Maybe you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth and never had working mans roots. Either that or you don’t give a damn.

          • JeffH

            your gene pool is quite limited…oh what a temper you show…want the keys to my Porche?

          • JeffH

            My, my fast eddie, where have I ever trashed the middle class or the working man…I mean ever…how you ever come up with these liberal thoughts is, is, is so becoming of you. I just get the idea that you and coal miner might be related…you certainly “think” alike…

      • DaveH

        There is no free lunch, Coal Miner. When the Union Workers get higher pay, the consumers pay more for their goods. When the Government grows to protect certain favored workers, the citizens pay more for their taxes.
        There is nothing more equitable than Free Enterprise, where voluntary contracts, rather than politics, rule the day. If you don’t think your wages are fair, then get together with like-minded people and start your own companies. This is easy in Free Markets. It’s not so easy in Government-controlled markets.
        On the other hand if you believe in forcibly taking the money of others, then keep voting for Big Government.

      • spike

        I don’t care what facts you submit, or where they are from, coal miner. I want to tellyou something: If I have a business to run, I will offer a wage to get it done. If you don’t like the wage, the work, the hours, or whatever, quit. But don’t freakin think you’re going to hold my business hostage by striking. Also: don’t think that the law is going to tell me my kids must go to school by law, but you are going to hold me hostage, and my kids because you want more benefits. Also, if you are not doing a merit based job, (teachers) then how dare you strike. Once a teacher reaches tenure, they are virtually unable to be gotten rid of. So don’t preach to me about this union bullsh*t. My husband was in a union for ll years at Acme markets. He was a mechanic. One night, on 95 on his way home, He saw an Acme truck broken down in the middle of the 3 lane highway. He stopped his car, got out, spoke to the driver to find out what was wrong. After a brief conversation discerning that a maxi brake was the problem, he got a dime out of his pocket, fixed the line, and the driver was able to get the truck back to the terminal. Without a ticket or a tow truck. The moron who was doing roadservice at the time, grieved it to the union, because my husband fixed the truck and didn’t charge anybody any money. This moron, named Stanley wound up getting paid for doing this job, and causing a big stink with my husband getting written up for doing something that was for safety and for the company he worked for without asking a damn thing for it.
        —- THE UNIONS!!!

    • tg7357

      Great post, especially about the Roman Empire and the parallels America is facing right now. But you forgot a very valid point: Rome’s primary cause for decline was uncontrolled immigration into the Empire, and the hiring of immigrants for defense of the government.
      The immigrants who were not living on the daily bread dole,were working jobs at a cheaper labor rate than the native Italians, forcing many also to live on the dole. The immigrants in the ranks of the Legions had no loyalty to Rome or the Epire beyond their monthly pay.
      The immigrants also brought a weaking of the long-standing culture of Roman citizenship, duty to the Empire and service to the state religion by watering it down with different cultural views,living habits and beliefs. I firmly belive we are heading down the same sad road as a county.

      • spike

        DUH!@ Why is our immigration law the same as it was inthe l920′s?
        Why are we allowing “immigrants” to operate businesses in the U.S. and pay no taxes, so they can then pass them to another relative every 7 years so they still have to pay no taxes, and the regular U.S. worker has to pay…20+ percent of his pay in taxes and then PAY INCOME TAX AT THE END OF THE YEAR, NOT TO MENTION STATE TAXES?

    • Rick

      All of these bleeding heart supporters of the ILLEGALS, as well as the
      illegals, need to try to cross the border into Canada or Mexico illegally, and then try to scream racial profiling. I feel certain the
      Canadian jails would be luxurious next to the Mexican jails.

  • Eugene M. Ramsey

    Please God, let me be smarter than Sally!!!!!

    • DaveH

      Come on Eugene. At least request something difficult.

  • Kandis

    Would you name some resource stocks that you think are good?

    • John Myers

      Dear Readers,

      One of the stocks I like very much is the oil sands stock Suncor Energy Inc. (NYSE: SU, $31.77). I especially like it in wake of the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.


      John Myers

  • coal miner

    Industrial Workers of the World
    General Headquarters
    PO Box 180195, Chicago, IL 60618, USA
    tel: (773) 857-1090
    Email – ghq [at]
    Website – www [at]

  • Thomas G Kroger

    Sally Ride could not be more wrong. Her partisan-Democrat exhortation to “support” Obama is actually humorous – somewhat like watching a retard fart in the wind. To “support” Obama is to enable a compulsive spender – exactly what got us into our present mess. To wit, on Sunday, Erskine Bowles likened our national debt to a cancer, adding that it will “certainly kill us from within.” Who quadrupled the deficit? Not GW, although he was no conservative, but merely another Globalist (“…the Clintons are my favorite people…”) No, it was Obama. Why is every economist now warning that our present debt level and level of spending are “unsustainable”? Because its true. We have, I believe, past the point of no-return, and will experience a currency collapse in our lifetime. Governments that use fiat currencies reach a point at which they must continue to inflate, or die politically, and I hate to say it, but it appears to me that we’ve reached that point. The only thing that could prevent this would be a return to sound currency (a gold standard) and the powers-that-be won’t allow that, because it would take money out of the political process, and return it to an objective basis. That alone would spell the end of their power over society, which is why it won’t happen until things completely implode. In the meantime, we need to educate ourselves, and prepare for what’s coming. It won’t be any fun.

    • Dan-o

      Well said!

    • spike

      Sally “ride” the Obama train right to communist …. wherever.
      Sorry, your golden boy has proven an outright disdain for the constitution, declaration of independance, and every law of this land. I will site the garbage that is going on in AZ. as just one of the many fine examples of this. He also had the Balls to say “we do not consider ourselves a Christian Nation” who is he to say this??
      He also had the balls to tell a man who asked him a question about higher taxes, that he believes “spreading the wealth around” is better “for everybody”…has anyone ever watched the movie Dr. Zhivago? Do your homework. This is an act of fiction…however, a certain scene in this movie catches my attention: “the people” are looting the house of Zhivago’s in laws who used to be rich. And they are represented by some government henchmen who are shouting “there was room here for __ families!!” also, when Zhivago looks at a starving man and says “typhus, it’s another sickness we don’t have in the city”….I am paraphrasing…but… this is what we are coming to, people….

  • frankly

    You left out a new age of racism perpetrated by our federal government. Or the fact that portions of US land are now off limits to US citizens due to being taken over my Mexican drug cartels.

    • Raggs

      Well it’s going to get much worse…. If you think the mexicans are bad news just wait until the muslims overtake our borders.
      Of course it will be coming from obama’s outstreched hands.

      • tg7357

        WEll, on the bright side, at least the mexicans won’t try to convert us to Islam before they behead us. They don’t give much of a toot one way or the other if we’re infidels like the muslims do.

  • atlas reborn

    sally ride you are a fool. franklin roosevelt did not get us out of a depression. he infact sunk us futher into the depression. we needed a war to get us out of a depression and it did not have much of the effect it needed but that was the start dec 7 1941. we finnally came out in 1946. obama the idiot will drive us into colaspe of the economy and of the government and we will be a total dictatorship read and weep because I know it will happen. i predicted the growth in the eighties and into the nineties. i saw the colaspe of the market and got out of the stock market months before the it did colaspe and was in currencies and lost nothing. so just remember what i have said when it happens snd you can appoligize to everyone.

    • possum

      Hoover Franklin D. Truman Lyndon Carter Clinton All were GREAT Presidents. HAHAHAHAHA

      Good dreaming folks.

  • Lee

    Hoover has been blamed for the depression for as long as I can remember. However, the banks have to take some of the blame for their part in creating money.
    The greatest factor in the depression was the European one, but on one ever mentions it. The Europeans were in the depression, especially Germany, for a good ten years before it ever affected the U.S.! I really don’t know what kept the U.S. from going down during that ten years, but we did something right! Hoover did draw up some plans (which were more along the idea line), and FDR DID use them—just changed the name to his! Don’t entirely diss Hoover, he did try, but by that time he was on his way out, and nobody wanted anything to do with him—but the Democrats sure used his ideas!

  • Rick

    Hoover does not even compare to Obama’s incompetence, much less the
    people surrounding him, who are more radical and incompetent than he
    is. As for creating jobs, my wife and I created or saved six jobs this
    week by cutting brush in the alley behind our house, and there were
    six men on the city truck that had brush pickup duty. Anyone who thinks this man is anything more than a total failure is either on some serious drugs, on the government dole, or both!

  • Thomas G Kroger

    Lee is quite right. Hoover was NOT to blame for the Depression; while the situation in Europe didn’t help, it was the planned contrivance of the Federal Reserve. Wright Patman, one of the most courageous men in recent decades remarked that “…the Depression was scientifically planned, to bring about conditions of chaos in our country…so they (the international bankers and those close to them) could emerge as the rulers of us all…” Amazingly, the Fed took nearly 40% of the currency out of circulation, causing the collapse of 1929. What was the statist’s solution? Why, grow government, of course! Exactly what Obama is doing to us today. It is also correct to point out that it was WWII that got us out of the depression, rather than the New Deal. Roosevelt and the New Deal merely prolonged the Depression. Our immediate problem is that we are like the man who has already maxed-out his credit cards, with a national debt into the $Trillions. Funny, isn’t it, how we now speak of a trillion the way we used to speak of a billion? A currency collapse is probably inevitable, whether Obama remains in office or not.

  • SAL

    Whats to say?? To many jackasses voted for a jackass.

    Wait until November. Maybe we can get rid of the jackass sooner!

  • Yeoman

    Bush is the repeat of Hoover. My hope is that this administration becomes Carter’s 2nd term; not FDR’s 1st. Biden for president, 2011.

  • Sue C

    Hi, Guys, and Gals! I love the way I learn about the real American History from you all. Just want to say, “THANKS!” Now for more on the issues that has us all in a bind. When last did you watch the Program called “American Greed?” You have to check that out, and you you may grasp/learn something about how Republican Washington, DC works.

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    • tg7357

      I wouldn’t deny we have interal terrorists as well as international working against the US. All you have to do is look at the current administration to see that Obama is begging for another 9-11 type attack. He hasn’t learned yet that you don’t have to try to shake hands with a rattlesnake to know its poisonus: someone has already been there and done that.
      I disagreed with a lot of the Bush era strategies, but G.W did do one thing that Obama just cannot seem to get, either. GW didn’t sit on his hands during a crisis and wait for a committee to tell him to take action. Lesson: a leader can be wrong, but they cannot be indecisive.
      If Bush hadn’t acted immediately after the 9-11 attacks, the Twin Towers would not have been the only target. Heightened security thwarted several subsequent attacks directly after 9-11. You libs seem to forget that.
      If you don’t like the wars that came after 9-11, tell your senator or congressman. Thats what you have them for. But until Obama took office, we had no terrorist attacks within the US after 9-11 that succeeded. Can’t say that about the current administration, now can we?

      • Norman

        Lets not forget that Obama is the internal terrorist in charge.Temporarily. He is an admitted Muslim, admitted socialist, and admitted communist that is admittedly from Kenya. He has done more in the short time in his illegal office to destroy this country, than any other time in history. We would have been much better off if Obama’s mother had taken a page out of her sons future book, and had an abortion.

    • Scott

      Sue C; Maybe you should take a refresher course, you didn’t learn much the first time.




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    The Clinton/Gore Administration: largest surplus in history on track, paying off the Debt by 2012. (9/27/00)

    Today, President Clinton will announce that we:

    Estimate a surplus of at least $230 billion in FY2000.

    Remain on track to pay off the entire debt by 2012.

    Will reduce the debt by an estimated $223 billion in FY2000 and more than $360 billion over last 3 years.


    Instead of a $455 billion deficit, the surplus this year will be at least $230 billion. In 1992, the deficit in the Federal budget was $290 billion – the largest dollar deficit in American history. In January 1993, the Congressional Budget Office projected that the deficit would grow to $455 billion by 2000. Today, the Clinton/Gore Administration is estimating that the surplus will be at least $230 billion this year – the third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever, even after adjusting for inflation. Compared with original projections, these results mean that there is over $685 billion less of a government drain on the economy and over $685 billion more that is available for private investment in this one year alone.

    Largest unified surplus as a share of the economy since 1948. The 2000 surplus is projected to be 2.4 percent of GDP – the largest surplus as a share of the economy (“GDP”) since 1948.

    The third consecutive year with a surplus—for the first time in over 50 years. The estimated surplus of at least $230 billion follows a surplus of $124 billion in FY 1999 and $69 billion in FY 1998. The last time America had three surpluses in a row was over fifty years ago in 1947-49. The FY2000 surplus marks the eighth consecutive year of fiscal improvement for the first time in American history – surpassing the pre-Clinton-Gore best of five straight years.

    The second consecutive surplus excluding Social Security. Excluding Social Security, the surplus is projected to be $80 billion this year. This is the second consecutive surplus on this basis, for the first time since 1956-57.

    The first surplus excluding Social Security and Medicare. This is the only on-budget surplus since Medicare was established in 1965. (The on-budget surplus excludes Social Security and Medicare surpluses).


    The President’s plan to eliminate the debt by 2012 remains on track. President Clinton’s budget proposes to reduce the debt held by the public by $2.9 trillion over the next decade and to eliminate it by 2012. The President’s debt reduction comes from saving the entire $2.3 trillion Social Security surplus, the entire $403 billion Medicare surplus, and $192 billion of the on-budget surplus for debt reduction.

    Interest payments would be eliminated. Currently, we spend 12 cents of every Federal dollar on interest payment. These payments, which were once projected to grow to 25 percent of all federal spending in 2012, would be eliminated under the President’s plan by that time.

    On track to pay down more than $360 billion in debt over three years. In 1998 and 1999, the debt held by the public was reduced by $140 billion. The government paid down an additional $223 billion in debt held by the public this fiscal year alone. That will bring the total debt pay down to more than $360 billion – the largest three-year debt pay-down in American history. In contrast, under the 12 year tenure of Presidents Reagan and Bush, the debt held by the public quadrupled

    The debt held by the public is on track to be $2.4 trillion lower in 2000 than was projected when the President took office. In 1993, the debt held by the public was projected by the Office of Management and Budget to balloon to $5.85 trillion by 2000. Instead, shrinking deficits, and growing surpluses in the last three years are projected to bring the debt down to $3.4 trillion in 2000 – $2.4 trillion less than expected. In 1993, the debt held by the public was 50 percent of GDP and projected to rise to 65 percent of GDP in 2000. Instead, it has been slashed to a projected 35 percent of GDP under the President’s plan and would be completely eliminated by 2012.


    Federal spending as a share of the economy is the lowest since 1966. Spending restraint under President Clinton has brought spending down federal spending from 22 percent of GDP in 1992 to a projected 18 percent of GDP in 2000 – the lowest since 1966. At the same time, President Clinton has increased strategic investments in education, technology and other areas that are vital to growth.

    The smallest Federal civilian workforce in 40 years. The Federal civilian workforce increased from the time when President Reagan took office to the time when President Bush left office. In contrast, since President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office, the Federal workforce has been cut by 377,000—by nearly a fifth – and is now lower than at any time since 1960.

    While balancing the budget, running large surpluses and paying down the debt, the Clinton-Gore Administration has provided tax relief for working families. The tax cuts signed into law by the President in 1993 and 1997 – for example, the expanded Earned Income Tax Credit, the $500 child tax credit, the $1,500 HOPE Scholarship Tax Credit, and expanded IRAs have reduced taxes for American working families. The total Federal tax rate for middle-income families has dropped from 24.5 percent in 1992 to 22.8 percent in 1999 – that’s the lowest tax rate since 1978. For families at one-half the median income, the effective Federal tax rate has been slashed from 19.8 percent in 1992 to 14.1 percent in 1999 – that’s the lowest tax rate since 1968.


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    • tg7357

      Yeah, you can economize real well when you’re will to gut the FBI, CIA and other national security departments. If you’re willing to downsize the military, not upgrade equipment and willing to sell technology to the Chinese, the Soviets and anyone else who comes along.
      Clinton saved money all right: he also helped lay the groundwork for the 9-11 attacks by ignoring the growing radical threats outside the US borders. When you don’t spend anything on national security, you can certainly save a whole lot of money—for a while.

    • DaveH

      Coal Miner,
      Why must you load down Personal Liberty’s servers with cut and paste? You could have simply provided the link.
      By the way, Clinton didn’t balance the budget, Congress did in spite of Bill Clinton.
      And there are two ways to balance the budget – reduce Government Spending, or raise taxes. The right way is to reduce spending.

      • coal miner


        I’ll go a little bit futher,why not eliminate all governments.The IWW is the way to go.All governments are evil and brought nothing but misery to the human race.Look at what so called communist did to the people of Russia,China and the Ukraine,160 million people.Than there are people on the right that killed 6 million innocent people.We are evolving and so are governments,they will eventually wither away.All governments are dictatorial,including democracy.Anarchy is the best rule, it means no rule.We will eliminate the need for money,power and personal wealth,wealth will be for those who creates it.We will also eliminate armies and nations dominating other nations.We despise all governments wheather they are on the right,left or moderate,all governments have one thing in common,they all want to run our lives.The future belongs to the people and one day we all enjoy real freedom.Governments will be a thing of the past.Have a good day.

        • libertytrain

          Amen – I’m with Dave – stop with the cut and paste already – a little is fine but you do way more than is friendly to us, the reader, who are forced to totally disregard your kind of self-indulgent posts.

          • coal miner


            If don’t like it, don’t read it.

          • libertytrain

            I would guess the vast majority of us don’t.

      • Sally S.

        Two people, does not a vast majority make.



  • John

    Wake up America! Watch “Obama deception” full length version.and “Obama does not want you to see this?” Go to June 30,2010 Globe . We want America Back!

  • glk

    Yeah ole Billy balanced the budget alright. He moved the Social Security funds from private to general funds which in essence he stole to make it look like he balanced the budget. Gee is it a wonder social security is now broke. Typical isn’t it! Some people think democrats are for the working people. Some people are so fricken blinded by what the bought and paid for news media tells them.

    You want to find out what the news media is not telling you and many have film footage to back it up. like a mosque built on ground zero for instance.

    • Anthony

      BINGO …. “finally” someone gets it right.

      Clinton played the ol’ shell game of now you see it and now you don’t.
      He pretended to officially pay off the debt, for a total of 24 hours.
      The very next day, Slick Willy was “deeper in debt”, all over again..

      [deeper in debt] – what’s that song? Oh, St. Peter…… I sold my soul to the company store!

      Moving on… Thanks GLK.

    • JeffH

      The government has gotten used to the fact that Social Security is providing free money to make the rest of the deficit look smaller, plain and simple.

  • L. Velasco

    You say with all due respect to Oprah Winfrey. What respect? Do you really think she deserves any respect whatsoever? She’s a knuckle-head. I read somewhere a while back that she would be no where with out the support of white women. Goes to show how ignorant some white women really are. Oprah is for the blacks just like her Muslim friend Barry Soetoro Hussein. It’s time to let both Barry, Oprah and the New Black Panther Party know, THE JIG IS UP. The NBPP is a bunch of lack luster, ignorant racists. These guys are the true “RACISTS” of the world not the people they are calling racist. Obama is one of the biggest racists ever. He is a punk. Now, call me a racist for calling him that. How do you know what half of his nationality I am referring to? Tough one isn’t it? I’d love to see someone beat his white-black BUTT. IMPEACH HIM NOW. We have enough on him to do it.
    Concerned AMERICAN, L. Velasco.
    P.S. If the little Muslim, Non-American happens to run for president again, this message is for Hispanics like me. DON’T be FOOLED by Obama like you were the first time. He is a bad person and doesn’t care about you or anyone but himself and black people. You can take that to the bank if there is one you can still trust.

    • possum

      gree 100%. Nuff said.

    • MANNY


  • david

    Velasco, take a breath.

  • http://BobLivingston Melveta Seely

    Wake up America…every LEGAL CITIZEN COUNTS….especially at the Polls. Opinions, well, everybody has one. Mine is that the current Administration is not running OUR COUNTRY as a Republic determined by our Constitution, it is run behind closed doors changing everything that America has stood for.
    Quit blaming Bush, you all remember that he had a democratic Congress in his last term, and the demo’s…did the demolition…as they have in the past…and it continues today with the President in charge of all kinds of wrong doings…investigate…find the TRUTH….
    know what is going on and what is getting changed underhandedly behind closed doors…when all the ramifications come about you will wonder what in the world hit you…THEN it will BE TO LATE.
    I love my country, my flag, the Athem, our military God Bless them all…We are a Christian Nation….love it or leave it.

    • Melvin Reamy

      Great response Melveta! I pity those who still blame Bush for everything gone wrong. They are very uninformed and not able to make clear judgements for themselvs. I have not had any democratic politician or supporter that has been able to explain to me why the economy was the best we have ever had under George Bush until the Democrats took control of Congress in 2006. Anyone can go back and look and see that is when things started to go bad – under the Democratic control – Barney Frank, Chriss Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid.

  • Only in America

    Since I didn’t drink any KOOL AID, I can still recall it was Reagan who decontrolled the financial institutions. Not Obama.

  • Marcus Auralius

    Please don’t vote back in the republicans who created this mess.

    • floyd

      you seem to forget that the democrats have been in control of congress the last 4 years that is when this mess started

  • Delores Smith

    I have a theory that history doesn’t truly repeat itself of its own volition. Someone like Obama reads, and selects from history all the evil things that can justify what he does. It then looks like a repeat…but it a deliberate creation. Michele Obama said in a video that’s available…”We are going to rewrite history…”
    My Reply to Rewriting History
    (Cannot remember where I took this quote from. Only the last sentence is mine)

    The moving fingers writes,
    And having writ, moves on,
    Not all thy piety, nor wit,
    Can lure it back,
    To cancel…half a line of it.
    No amount of rewriting can erase
    the truth.
    Delores Smith

  • coal miner

    The myth that Karl Marx worship the Devil,is nothing but pure bull.He was a hard cord atheist.Here is HIS view on religion.
    Karl Marx quotation
    On religion as the opium of the people
    One of the more frequently quoted statements of Karl Marx is Religion is the opium of the people this being a translation of the German statement “Die Religion … ist das Opium des Volkes”.
    This statement appears in Karl Marx’ – “A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right” which appeared in the Deutsch-Französische Jahrbücher, as published in Paris on the 7 & 10 February 1844.

    “Many people, however, take Karl Marx’ Religion is the opium of the people statement to be a plain and simple condemnation of religion but what Marx actually meant by saying about Religion and about it being the Opium of the People is somewhat more subtle than this:-

    “… Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d’honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

    “Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

    “The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.

    “Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower. The criticism of religion disillusions man, so that he will think, act, and fashion his reality like a man who has discarded his illusions and regained his senses, so that he will move around himself as his own true Sun. . .
    People are inclined to be somewhat spiritual !!!
    This could mean that Religion is more than
    the Opium of the People as Karl Marx would have it !!!”

    • JeffH

      Leave it to the coal miner to support Lucifer himsel!

      • John

        Yeah, typical of the coalminer or shoudl I say atypical?

  • Michael

    Chicken little, the sky is falling. Call in the Republicans who pulled out the supports to fix it. Quick, back to corporate rule with Halliburton’s men at the helm. We can still spend 800 billion “defending” corporate capitalism but health care at 80 billion is socialism and communism. Welfare for the rich is good economics, unemployment benefits are “irresponsible”. We can cut medicare and social security to make them sustainable, but we really must have thirteen aircraft carriers and spend more on military than the rest of the world combined. Let’s ramp up the war in Afghanistan and kill some more in Iraq and then we start killing Iranians to keep the war machine running.

    • John Barton

      Businesses and corporations don’t pay taxes. Those costs are passed onto the consumer when they purchase the goods and or services said corporation provides. When a business is taxed, it is the customer that pays the additional cost.

      And when did allowing individuals and or business to keep more of the money they earned become welfare??

  • possum

    Michael, no bad wishes but maybe you should go stick your head in the sand or somewhere and wait for our friendly neighbors to blow the other end off.

  • http://yahoo abby

    Other issues that need to be addressed Sally. Let’s do away with the Federal Reserve; Income taxes, etc. A Fair Tax would keep the
    Administration from printing monopoly money and mortgaging our children and grandchildren’s futures. Let’s go back to the inception of the Constitution; really look at all the changes thereto. Minority laws will need to be rewritten because the minorities will soon be us. And Heaven forbid, if laws should protect the common white folks. This President has had the greatest opportunity to unite all the races, instead he has caused hatred and resentments. Education has dumbed down the people; socialism has been the main point of thought for our youngsters. Seems this happened in Germany, hmm!! If a person has been living in the USA or was born therein, he is an American!!! Totally!!! Whatever happened to the melting pot, learning the English language, protecting this great Nation? Instead we fight amongst ourselves. and our Media, they should be ashamed of their so called journalism. It is as biased as anything we have had in ages. Oh, that’s right — speak out against this administration and you are singled out for harassment, called a terrorist, ostrasized (sp) and could lose your source of employment. Indeed our civil rights are being trambled upon. Obama is not the only one to blame for our current situation, he is only the latest. He wouldn’t be able to pass Healthcare, stimulus packages, etc. if Congress and the Senate didn’t go along. Bribes shoulod never have been accepted. The only way we can really see some CHANGE is to vote at election time. However, much damage can be done between election time and the reseating of the new incumbents. Contact your representatives continually on the issues as they arise; let them hear your voice. Don’t just grumble– do something!!!

    • MANNY


  • John

    What about obama’s radical left-wing socialist agenda????
    His weakness in handling foreign affairs, his lack of integrity in dealing with health care reform.
    I don’t have all day to sit here and write everything down but really, wake up and do some research.
    Trust me, it won’t take long to come up with a very, very long list of examples depicting his ineptness

  • JeffT

    I’m afraid we have no real choice in these elections. It’s Democrat or Democrat-lite. With dolts like Lindsay Graham, Newt Gingrich, and co., what hope is there? If Gingrich runs, Obama wins. The elections in November, the most important in my 60 years of life, will be won by the Dems, hook or, probably, CROOK. There is no telling the amount of fraud and voter intimidation that will take place. It will be New Black Panthers at every voting place. They have been given the green light by Holder & Co. to do as they wish, with no repercussions. These elitists are too close to their goal of absolute takeover, dictatorship, they will NOT let it get away.

  • jopa

    Very misleading article.Trying to say President Obama was responsible for 8 million jobs lost and 3 trillion dollars spent on his 18 month watch.Give me a break.You can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time.

    • MANNY


  • jopa

    MANNY; I rest my case he sure has you fooled.

    • MANNY


  • Joe

    You need to stop thinking “left or right”. We all need to be more about right or wrong. This is not for geniuses to decide. This is for everyone who knows whats right or wrong, us simple folks, to just look at the record and decide for ourselves what we need to do in the ballot box. Get involved, call your elected officials and let them know what you think. You will find out real fast where their thoughts are just by the response that you get. It has been my experience that emails always get answered. Albeit by a staffer or not. When we fire enough of them the message will be loud and clear.

  • old timer

    all you guys and gals neef to build a bridge and get over it.

    • MANNY


  • True Born

    I have a solution:

    Show me the birth certificate!

    You show me yours Barry, & I’ll show you mine!

    Get out, illegal alien! Go back to Kenya or Indonesia where you are welcome and your faith and politics are accepted.

  • MC

    This is quite enlightening. Lot’s of good information here. Some really daft emotional “stuff” too. I just finished a Macro Econ class and must say – there are a good number of well educated individuals who have done their homework making posts here.
    Facts are what they are. Bottom line is that this country is in trouble. Our leaders in Congress are self serving and taking us further down a path of destruction, with no regard for we, the people. Mr. Obama is clueless. The man has never held a real job, never had to meet a payroll and is simply in over his head. As a sidenote: What is all this bowing to other heads of state?
    I have been unemployed for 8 mos now. Lost the home, can’t make the credit debt payments. I am 54 and for the first time in my life, really worried about my future. I read a post today that real unemployment is not the 10% we keep reading about but >21%.
    A fix will only come if we can elect selfless leaders, tighten our belts, stop the crusades, and tend to America. When in doubt, refer to our Constitution and Bill of Rights – Bible wouldn’t hurt either. I know that does not address the issues with the financial mess this country is in but it provides the foundation needed to get back on track. I will not affiliate with a party anymore as they don’t represent we the people. I tend to be conservative as I believe we need a conservative degree or limited use of government in our lives. Let our wonderful economic system flourish with the intellegence of the American entrepreneural spirit and work ethic and we will pull ourselves out of this mess.
    Pelosi’s, Reid’s, et al gotta go. They are drunk with power and will only continue down the same path of destruction.
    Best of Luck to all.


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