Is Obama Trying To Purposely Start World War III?

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Hello, I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. Two things are happening right now under President Barack Obama that are unprecedented.

First, Obama is about to go to war in Syria and risk your sons’ and daughters’ lives on behalf of our enemy, al-Qaida. Second, he is about to risk starting World War III.

Are you on board?

And then there’s Obama’s “red line.” Obama’s defenders say, “Syria passed the red line. We have no choice.” Really? So we now call extremist Muslims killing other extremist Muslims a “red line” that demands U.S. intervention. But extremist Muslims in Egypt burning more than 70 churches to the ground and killing Christians is not a “red line?” In one place (Syria), we want to go to war. In the other (Egypt), we continue to send billions of dollars in foreign aid as a reward for killing Christians.

Do you support Obama’s definition of a “red line?” I know I don’t.

So why the rush to war? Could it be because America’s unemployment problem under Obama is unfixable? Ninety million working-age Americans are not working. The labor force participation rate is the lowest for men since 1947 (since measurement began). Obama has no way out.

The same holds true for our partners in the European Union like the United Kingdom and France. Unemployment for the EU region is 12.1 percent, the worst in history. Almost 20 million Europeans are unemployed. Youth unemployment in the EU is just below 25 percent.

How do you solve such a human psychological disaster? You go to war.

Voilà. Suddenly, young people with no job prospects have a job — in the military. They have a check, a place to live, something to do. They no longer have time to commit crimes or riot in the streets.

America got out of the last Great Depression with the help of World War II. How convenient that Obama lit the fuse for the Arab Spring, helped to topple dictators friendly to U.S. interests and took the side of the Muslim Brotherhood. Now, it’s all coming home to roost.

We fomented instability, supported the radicals who hate America and Israel, and now we’re feigning shock that the Mideast is in flames? Remember that line from the police captain in the movie “Casablanca”: “I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!”

What a funny coincidence that a war would solve Obama’s worst problems all at once:

A) War would stir patriotism and force Americans to rally around the President.

B) Obamacare is a nightmare for Obama and his party. It’s so unpopular even Democrats and unions are running away from it. Congress has passed a law to exempt themselves. Obama himself is postponing major aspects of Obamacare for fear it will lead to a GOP landslide in 2014. Going to war is the perfect distraction, at the perfect time.

C) Obama couldn’t create a job if it hit him in the face. He can’t spell J-O-B. War will create instant jobs. And, hey, if thousands of young men die, that, too, will reduce the ranks of the unemployed for years to come.

“Nonsense,” Obama’s supporters will protest. You know, those same people that marched in the streets protesting our involvement in Iraq, those same people who questioned CIA intelligence about “weapons of mass distraction” yet who now readily accept the CIA’s claims about Syria’s using chemical weapons, those same people who called Bush a murderer yet now accept Obama’s bombing and killing citizens in Syria. Syria is the new Iraq.

The key to life (and politics) is to choose your friends carefully. In Egypt Obama supports the Muslim Brotherhood. This is the same group that supported the Nazis during World War II. Their leader, Muhammed Morsi, said in speech last year: “The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal.”

In Syria our new friends are worse than the Muslim Brotherhood (if that’s possible). The rebels fighting the Syrian government are al-Qaida. These are the murderous terrorists who are the sworn enemies of America and Israel. This is who Obama is asking our sons and daughters to die for? Not my sons, not my daughters. How about yours?

Have we learned nothing from Iraq? I was gung ho about Iraq. I thought it was a noble cause to set the Iraqi people free from a tyrant. You know what I found out? We meant well, but it was a disaster. It was none of our business. It was not worth the cost — in dollars or human life. The Iraqi people we heroically risked and sacrificed for don’t thank us; they hate us. Why would we want to do it again? Our Mideast interventions cause more hatred, more terrorism, more death.

Let’s not forget that our intervention in Libya put weapons in the hands of radical Muslims who, it now appears, used those weapons to attack our own Libyan Embassy and murder our U.S. Ambassador and three brave Navy SEALs. You know, that’s the tragedy that was covered up by Obama and Hillary Clinton by blaming it on a movie. Who killed our brave men in that Libyan embassy? Al-Qaida, the people Obama now wants to partner with.

Have we not learned that our Mideast interventions always work out badly? Now, we are going to do it again. Except this time, it’s far worse. This time, Russia and China and Iran are on Syria’s side. This time, it could lead to World War III. Have we lost our minds?

I have obvious questions.

First, was this Obama’s plan from the start? Foment anger and instability in the Mideast, topple the friends of America and wait for war? Is this his only way out to save the U.S. economy from collapse? Is war the perfect distraction from the economic carnage caused by his policies?

Second, would you send your son or daughter to die to support al-Qaida? I know I wouldn’t.

This is a new level of insanity — even for Obama. I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. See you next week. Same time, same place. God bless America.

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  • Sarah Conner

    Muslims killing muslims…sounds like a win win to me…obozo needs to but the hell out…we will not fight WITH al’queerda…

    • Matt

      I agree with your sentiment, but the whole idea of the US government’s interventions in the ME and Northern Africa is to destabilize regimes and keep Muslims killing Muslims so the states are less of a threat to Israel. We are preparing to intervene because it is becoming clear that the rebels/terrorists will not succeed without assistance in addition to that which we are already providing them. Enrichment of the military industrial complex is an added benefit.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        You can bet that whatever their true motivations are (Oil, Preservation of the US dollar, etc.), the beneficiaries will be a small group of Crony Capitalists and Leaders, and the payers will be the rest of us.

  • 2tiredofthegovernment

    well i said it a long time ago that Osama Obama was nothing but a wolf in sheep clothing, and that he would be starting something he would ruin America over. and now he has the chance, he has been wanting all along. and he is the one that is going to have the blood of our men and women, on his hands as if he could really care. you can bet everything you have that if his two daughters were of age to join the military he would NOT LET THEM GO, so why should we let ours go this time. I say it is time that the true red blooded americans take over the whitehouse and throw Osama Obama in PRISON and throw the key away, he is nothing but a TERRIOUST (SP) AND HE IS IN BED WITH THE AL-QAIDA, he has already gave the Muslim brotherhood billions of dollars. and put us futher in debt and the economy is going down the drain that much futher snd faster to because of him.

  • FreedomFighter

    You left out the fact the Islamic fanatics Obama is supporting are same ones killing (burning alive) Coptic Christians and other Christians in the middle east. Killing by the thousands and burning all Churches these are the most intolerant and murderous fanatics on the planet.
    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

    • Ronr

      For the last time the Egypt military is not in line with the MB. That idiot reich wing congressman Louie Gomer /Guber started that lie and every idiot on the reich wing goes with it. You know the same idiot that says women’s bodies shut down rapes. The Egyptian military took out the MB president and my be trying to restore your favorite dictator to power. Root and Gomer. They should threaten to run for president just to scare the hell out of even the 2% far right wing wackos on this site.

      • FreedomFighter

        No Obama is in line with Muslim Brotherhood, the Egypt military is smarter.
        Laus Deo
        Semper FI

      • chocopot

        You have once again proven that you are a misinformed and very sick puppy.

        • Ronr

          Unlike you, an Internet wacko and keyboard activist.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        You lose credibility, Ronr, when you resort to mostly ad hominem attack in your comment.

        • Ronr

          Lose credibility for stating fact. Are you saying that the MB somehow controls the military, or that the MIlitary aid is some how supporting the MB, because if so they did a bad job with it. The military kicked out the last dictator and there was a democratic election held. Except in the right wings eyes the wrong party won. The reason the military can get away with kicking out an elected government is because they allow themselves to be independent of civilian rule . That is a fact. So despite Louie Gomer/Guber the president is only a friend to the MB in the eyes if the fringe right/ 2% that will never elect a person to a national office .

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m saying, Ronr, that your comment was Liberally sprinkled with ad hominem attacks which causes your comment to lose credibility.

          • chocopot

            Fact? You wouldn’t know a fact if it walked up to you and bit you on the azz! All you can do is spout off all the usual lies that are the typical wacko left-wing talking points. You have no credibility, so give it up, you fool.

      • Bill

        Ronr
        Typical comments from a left wing nutjob

        • Ronr

          Typical response from a right wing wacko.

          • Bill

            Very smart remarks, Ronr
            I can see that you would not be someone that can have an intelligent conversation. You are all emotional knee jerk reaction

  • KG

    Remember something called ‘the Cold War’? Remember something called ‘the Kirkpatrick Doctrine?’ Remember Nazis and Soviets? The Muslim Brotherhood fell under the K doctrine due to their anti-communist stance. The Muslim Brotherhood is so conservative that they hate labor unions almost as much as Reagan did. The MB is the ONLY faction in Egypt that COULD have CIA operatives working in its ranks.

    • FreedomFighter

      conservatism, political doctrine that emphasizes the value of traditional institutions and practices.
      Nice try, but the Muslim Brotherhood does not value traditional Institutions and practices, they advocate violent take – overs of countries, institution of Sharia Law, intolerance of all other religions, faiths and beliefs, murder or conversion of all others — you know…fundamental change as Obama calls it.In a limited, actually twisted myopic interpretation you could say they value their own institutions and practices, this type of mentally inbreeding does not stand up to any inspection.
      Again you fail, using weak premise to substantiate a weak thought.
      Laus DeoSemper FI

      • KG

        I am merely stating the facts as they present themselves. Your touchy response to a ‘conservative’ group such as the MB belies your proclivity to Fascist thought. What ‘conservative’ really means is to conserve or keep an old way of thinking or doing – regardless of it’s merits. Fascists are usually ‘the old guard’, or the ones who want things the way they used to be. The MB would love to see Egypt and Syria as one country as it was in the old Arab Republic. So using the term ‘conservative would be appropriate.

        • FreedomFighter

          Not in an American definition of Conservative political views – just another Alinsky tactic — a distortion, thus irrelevant and misleading.
          Laus Deo
          Semper FI

          • KG

            No, truthful and scholarly. It is YOU who is denying what ‘conservative’ means.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Even a stopped clock is correct twice a day. From Wikipedia:
            “Conservatism (Latin: conservare, “to retain”) is a political and social philosophy that promotes retaining traditional social institutions”……”There is no single set of policies that are universally regarded as conservative, because the meaning of conservatism depends on what is considered traditional in a given place and time. Thus, conservatives from different parts of the world—each upholding their respective traditions—may disagree on a wide range of issues”.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

          • KG

            I understand what you are saying. Just as the difference between ‘supper’ and ‘dinner’. For some people ‘supper’ is dinner, while some may even call ‘lunch’ time ‘supper’ time. However you call it, just don’t forget to call me when its time to eat!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Don’t hold your breath, KGB. You would starve before I ever invited you to supper or dinner or lunch.

          • Bill

            Kg,
            Very juvenile answer

        • chocopot

          Fascism is a left-wing doctrine. Revisionism might work on the uneducated, but it does not work here.

          • KG

            Please tell me what makes Fascism Left wing?

          • chocopot

            Read Jonah Goldberg’s best seller, Liberal Fascism. It’s all explained in there. 60 years of historical revisionism has led to a completely misinformed public. Much like all the misinformation about Joe McCarthy.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            chocopot, WHY do you think he is a “misinformed public”?
            Isn’t he one of them with agenda?

          • chocopot

            Perhaps, perhaps not… There is no way for us to be sure.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I see evidence that KGB works with a team.
            In other words, he is a Shill.

          • chocopot

            Perhaps so. I am not able to spend as much time as I would like on this site, so I cannot say one way or the other. I defer to your considered judgment on this.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            I disagree with you. His comments are very revealing.

          • chocopot

            Sorry…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That would be my guess.

          • KG

            In The Nation, Eric Alterman wrote:
            The book reads like a Google search gone gaga. Some Fascists were vegetarians; some liberals are vegetarians; ergo… Some Fascists were gay; some liberals are gay… Fascists cared about educating children; Hillary Clinton cares about educating children. Aha! … Like Coulter, he’s got a bunch of footnotes. And for all I know, they check out. But they are put in the service of an argument that no one with any knowledge of the topic would take seriously.

          • chocopot

            Eric Alterman is, and has always been, a left-wing wack job. Nothing he says or writes should be given any credibility. He is as believable as Al Gore.

          • Vis Fac

            Control issues Fascists want total control DUMBOCRITES want total control. I know that soared way over your head.

            The whole problem in the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

            America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a
            99% vote.”

            A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Left and Right as political terms are foggy indeed. Different people define them in different ways. So what would you consider to be Left wing, KGB?

          • KG

            In France, where the terms originated, the Left had been called “the party of movement” and the Right “the party of order. The intermediate stance is called centrism and a person with such a position is a moderate. Many agree that the Left includes progressives, social-liberals, greens, social-democrats, socialists, democratic-socialists, civil-libertarians (as in “social-libertarians”; not to be confused with the right’s “economic-libertarians”), secularists, communists, and anarchists, and that the Right includes conservatives, reactionaries, neoconservatives, capitalists, neoliberals, economic-libertarians (not to be confused with the left’s “civil-libertarians”), social-authoritarians, monarchists, theocrats, nationalists, Nazis (including neo-Nazis) and fascists.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_politics

          • Vigilant

            Quite simply, and you’ve been told many times before but act ignorant every time it’s brought up, fascism is left wing because it advocates a very high degree of government control.

            Communism/fascism are peas in a pod.

            Put that in your communist pipe and smoke it..

          • Bill

            Vig
            Good Comments

          • Vigilant

            Thank you!

          • KG

            So, to deny women a certain medical procedure purely on so-called ‘moral’ reasons – that’s not a high degree of government control?

            To deny two men to marry – that’s not a high degree of government control?

            To deny certain voters their franchise rights – that’s not a high degree of government control?

            I think YOU are the one wearing ‘Jack boots”.
            Heil Hitler!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Do you have references that Vigilant has said those things? Or are you using typical Socialist Progressive diversionary tactics?

          • KG

            I’m using data collected in observing the world around me as it is rather than how I would like it. Jean Paul Sarte would probably agree with that assessment. As well as De Carte. Although Heiddiger would probaly take issue with the word “around”.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Argumentum ad verecundiam.
            Do you really think your name-dropping reflects positively on you, KGB?

          • vicki

            The “medical procedure” is called murder in civilized societies. Government’s only useful job is to protect the innocent from force or fraud. Killing the defenseless child just because he/she has not begun breathing air is a prime example of truly innocent.

          • Vigilant

            To deny women a certain medical procedure purely on so-called ‘moral’ reasons – that’s not a high degree of government control?” If course it would be a high degree of control if that “medical procedure” didn’t take a human life. Affording the rights to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” just happens to be the very foundation of our Constitution. I’d call the laws against homicide a very necessary and beneficial “high degree of control.”

            To deny two men to marry is rightfully and Constitutionally within the bailiwick of the 10th Amendment.

            To deny eligible voters their franchise rights would indeed be an unconstitutional action. Too bad for your flimsy argument that that’s not the case in this country.

            P.S. I’m not saying you’re stupid. I’m just saying you’ve got bad luck when it comes to thinking.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          cagey, so you are saying that the Dems/Progs/Leftists love going off “cliffs” willfully because they don’t look before they leap. Someone will be at the bottom to rescue them.

        • Vis Fac

          I see you like to employ the ten dollar words your lord and savior ODUMBO does. Doing so gives you the same credibility and if I were you I’d just shut up tis better to remain silent be thought a fool then open ones mouth and remove all doubt! In your case there is no doubt!

          The whole problem in the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

          America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

          Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a
          99% vote.”

          A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

        • Bill

          KG,
          Bla Bla Bla, same old politicized BS

      • Vis Fac

        Yes they are traditional values FF the values of a cult hell bent on world domination via intimidation and death. The intimidation of losing ones life should they not convert to Islam. The losing of ones life or limb fro straying from Sharia Law The losing of ones live for defaming the prophet Mohamund. Those traditional values!

        America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

        The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

        A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

        Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

        A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est

        Semper-Fi

    • Vigilant

      “The Muslim Brotherhood is so conservative that they hate labor unions…”

      Well then, even THEY can’t be all bad.

      • Don 2

        KG: Ouch!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        All Unions exist to be a form of predatory tribes with tribal chieftains. cagey can couch the language but cannot change the activities of the tribes.

    • jdn

      They be soo conservative that Barrack Hoosain Obama loves them with all the tax dollars and military weaponry he can muster . Come on KG just embrace the Muslim Brotherhood like you do Obama and all will be forgiven . They are after all the religion of peace and tolerance and Barrack’s chosen people .

    • Nadzieja Batki

      cagey, get your definitions straight. A Conservative or Libertarian in the USA is not of the same mindset as someone passing for a conservative or libertarian in the ME or Europe or Asia or Islands of the Pacific, etc.

    • Vis Fac

      How do you tell a communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin. Ronald Reagan

      America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do
      Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

      Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a
      99% vote.”

      A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

    • Bill

      Kg,
      It is entertainment time. We now have words of wisdom from our resident communist poster who pursues a policy of government that is responsible for more murders in the last century than any other cause. Tell us, oh wise one, why we should go to war against Syria
      So, Kg, tell us again of how proud you are of Bill Clinton for having sex with the pastors daughter. And how your worshipped hero, whose butt you kiss every day is more of a leader than Ronald Reagan

  • ezekiel22

    This is such a stupid undertaking I am speechless. The idea of us bombing Syria to soothe Obama’s ego and deflect attention from him and his scandals is plausible and disgusting at the same time. McCain on Greta lying to the public yet again sating that AQ is not involved in the insurgency speaks for itself.
    If this action is so politically unpopular then why are not more democrats standing up and telling Obama to stop? It will cost them dearly in the elections just around the corner.
    It is bad when Russia refers to Obama as a monkey with a hand grenade. It is bad when nations know that there is a disconnect between the people and their leadership. Egyptians know that Obama does not represent the American people, they have a hate him like us relationship.
    I am afraid this could end badly.

    • me

      I doubt any of the Democrats will oppose him because they are busy butt kissing their man. When he first got the presidency, he got whatever he wanted eith the democratic majority. A lot of the buttkissers passed Owebunhole care without even reading the bills contents. That idiot Pelosi bragged about it. Hopefully in 2014 these idiots will be voted out and we won’t have anymore of the mess. By 2016 I hope the voters hate Owebunhole enough not to vote another Democrat back in. Nothing will change if they do.

      • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

        More like buttf**ing their man.

        • Vis Fac

          No ODUMBO is butf**king America and we all know liberals love the queers so it is obvious they enjoy being Butt F**ked.

          America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

          Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a
          99% vote.”

          A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

      • Ronr

        Yeah kinda like all the conservatives and reich following Bush into Irag on the WMD trail of tears. My question is why does anyone read the garbage Root writes. It really makes no sense and all he tries to do is ride the presidents coat tail to fame. What a simple minded little man who should continue to be John Stewart’s fool.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Actually, we found the mobile labs, equipment for the the construction of nuclear weapons, had the votes from the Congress and the Senate to go into Iraq, but how is this different than Obama bin Laden? First, Bush was not in league with terrorists, Obama bin Laden is. Second, he had the votes before going into Iraq, but did Obama bin Laden have the votes before going into Lybia and now Syria? No. Ergo, these 2 acts are unconstitutional. Did anyting get accomplished under Obama bin Laden? No. Did anything get accomplished under Bush? Yes. All your post is made up of is lies, innuendo, rhetoric, hate, and argument to ridicule. If you think you can do better, go ahead and do it and be quiet. Here are some articles about Syria, who is about the only nation in the Middle East to have a modern day force with up to date equipment, outside of Israel, that is.
          http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/russia-military-intervention-syria/2013/08/26/id/522334
          http://www.townhall.com/columnists/hughhewitt/2013/08/28/the-syrian-nightmare-n1679766/page/full
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
          “The problem with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, just that they know so much that isn’t so.”
          Ronald Reagan
          40th President of the U.S.

          • chocopot

            Like nearly all of those on the Left, Ron believes that his revisionist history will make people forget facts and truth.

          • Jack

            Samurai:

            Have you ever read the report of our inspector regarding the WMD that Bush said existed? of course not.

            If you had you would know that the mobile labs never existed so they were never found.Also, no equipment for the construction of nuclear weapons was found.

            What was accomplished under Bush -, over 5,000 american’s dead 40 to 50,000 wounded, some 2 trillion dollars wasted and hundred’s of thousands of Iraq citizens killed.

            You always post things from right wing blogs that aren’t even as accurate as a broken clock.

        • Vis Fac

          Facts to a liberal are those that are pulled out
          of thin air to swathe their ineptness on all things rational. Liberal one dimensional idiot-ology dictates they make things up as they go so they can blame others for their failures. Nothing is ever ODUMBO’s or the DUMBOCRITES fault right? So whenever you/they have trouble defending and/or nothing to substantiate your/their positions you/they simply fall back on the Federal Board for Blaming Bush.. Then all your/their liberal inadequacies are soon to be forgotten

          America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

          Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a
          99% vote.”

          A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          So Ronr, are you saying that you disagree with Obama going to war with Syria?

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Well Bushes are still around so instead of b-tching at us why don’t you make an appointment and ask them why they set us up in Iraq. Simple as that.

          • Ronr

            You don’t know?

        • Bill

          Ronr
          The real question is why does anyone read the hateful, bigoted garbage the you write

          • Ronr

            Bigoted as compared to bigots on this site. Or just you?

          • Bill

            There you go again, Ronr
            Just making up stuff when you have no idea what you are talking about.
            That was a very smart come back

        • Don 2

          “My question is why does anyone read the garbage Root writes.”
          So tell us Ronr, are you commenting on an article that you did not read?

      • nc

        me, in 2008 69 million Americans decided they didn’t want another Republican in office. Over 60 million said the same in 2012! One thing for sure Americans have shown they want no part of changing back to Republicans in the White House!!
        BTW, in both elections 99% plus indicated they didn’t want a libertarian conservative in the White House either!

    • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

      Monkey let loose in a room with all the nuke codes already in the firing sequence…bright red flashing lights on the buttons all over the place…

      • Warrior

        Too much “stimuli”. How about a game of “spades” or “hearts” if you prefer!

    • native blood

      Check e-bay for listing like:

      Up for bids, well used Nobel peace prize
      Buy it now: 22 trillion us dollars
      Paypal only accepted
      Local pickup only: must have top secret clearance
      Will ship to any middle eastern address Fedex express.

  • Vigilant

    “What a funny coincidence that a war would solve Obama’s worst problems all at once…Is this his only way out to save the U.S. economy from collapse?”

    Frankly, I’m surprised at your naiveté, Mr. Root. Your premise is entirely wrong.

    America may indeed have “got[ten] out of the last Great Depression with the help of World War II,” but the economic conditions and industrial capabilities of the US are far different from what they were in 1941. Under the current debt situation, diminished manufacturing capabilities, dependence upon foreign oil imports and reduced global confidence in the US dollar, engaging in war would finally destroy, not help, the US economy.

    It was forced military spending that killed the Soviet Union, thanks to Reagan and Thatcher. Engaging in a fruitless war right now could very well push the guns vs. butter equation so far in favor of the former that it would collapse the entire US economy.

    • Warrior

      Stimulus (butter) hasn’t relieved the “doldrums” throughout the world as of yet. I think the “population control” voices are about to take over. This next chapter will finally fill the limited seating at the NWO table.

    • Don 2

      I believe collapsing the entire U.S. economy is Obama’s ultimate intention…..Cloward-Piven Strategy.

    • Paul

      I agree with you 100%. Why do you think all the Muslim nations hate us so much? We don’t have the sense to stay out of their damn affairs. Once again the US is sticking their noses where it does not belong. If anything I say arm both sides and watch the fire works.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You keep repeating that the Muslim nations hate us but they have been hating and marauding and killing the people of nations around them for as long as the Muslims as Muslims came to be. Even if America didn’t exist they would continue marauding and killing the different tribes and nations. It is that type of human predator that is inbred and diseased and cannot build but can kill and destroy without conscience. So why align with such predators.

        • Vis Fac

          Islam is a CULT a large marauding death machine only satisfied when all believe the same. If conversion is not an option elimination (jihad) is the final solution.

          As long as Islam exists there will be no peace on earth. Islam has spread like cancer and soon the earth will die because of it.

          America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do
          Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

          Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a
          99% vote.”

          A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

    • Vis Fac

      You apparently didn’t grasp the concept. Wayne was referring to when in a depression the government starts a war to end the depression we all know this time it is different. you should as well. We were not in debt when WW I and WW II ensued as we are now, and the dynamics have changed. ODUMBO is doing what he is doing because he has an agenda to DESTROY America, even a moron would recognize this as fact.

      America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do
      Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

      Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a
      99% vote.”

      A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

      • Vigilant

        “You apparently didn’t grasp the concept. Wayne was referring to when in a depression the government starts a war to end the depression we all know this time it is different. you should as well.”

        You apparently didn’t grasp what I was saying. I’m the one who said “this time is different.” You know it, I know it, but Mr. Root apparently doesn’t.

      • Karolyn

        “even a moron would recognize this as fact.” How can an intelligent person make such a remark? Fact? There is no way your assertions can be proven to be fact.

        • Vis Fac

          Apparently morons have more on the ball than you. If you cannot connect the dots then there is little hope for you.

          The veritable problem in the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

          America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

          Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

          A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

          • Karolyn

            I reiterate: NOBODY knows all the FACTS unless they are directly involved. Everything else is conjecture. There is no way anyone can PROVE that Obama wants to destroy America. Ad hominems will not strengthen your conjecture.

          • Vis Fac

            Here are a few examples no conjecture just fact. ODUMBO’s first lie/broken promise in swearing in the oath of office “to protect and defend the Constitution of The United states. Instead of protecting and defending this clown has done everything in his power to destroy it thus destroying America.
            Second promise/lie having a transparent government while issuing 39 executive orders allowing for the taking of peoples food clothing taking over petroleum and utilities seize control of communication devices airports roads and bridges etc further usurpation of the Constitution Thus destroying America

            Third increasing the national debt four fold. This in itself is enough to destroy America Fourth effectively dooming any chance of economic recovery and creating jobs through moronic tax laws Further destroying America. Fifth Causing more people onto welfare and food stamp programs further eroding the economy and thus destroying America
            Sixth Lying about US involvement in spying on allies the use of drones against US citizens without trial complicit in international arms smuggling malfeasance in office all detrimental to the health and well being of America NEED I GO ON? NO CONJECTURE JUST FACTS

            The veritable problem in the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

            America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

            A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Karolyn

            These “facts” still do not prove that Obama wants to destroy America. There is no way to prove that as fact! You do not live in his head. Whether misguided or not, he may really believe what he is doing is right; therefore, NOT trying to destroy America. Not everybody believes as you do. Are you ALWAYS right?

          • Vis Fac

            Yes most often I am right. I have been around the block more times than I care to mention I always question everything, You need to be objective stand back read what he writes listen to him speak and be able to read between the lines. I have been in business in excess of 35 years conducting business on six continents I have learned to read people and what I read from ODUMBO scares the living CRAP out of me. You should be afraid Very afraid. Why do you think he is so adamant on gun control when he says he favors the second amendment that alone should tell you something is amiss. I’ll tell you CONTROL of the people so he can continue unopposed.

            Why do you think he stuck his nose in the Zimmerman trial (one of 1800 going on at the same time) focusing on Travon saying if he had a on he would like like Travon? Why would the POTUS would be interested UNLESS he wanted a race war because the victim was black and the perpetrator supposedly white maybe so martial law could be imposed.

            Take of those rose colored glasses and recognize the FACTS stop being an ostrich.

            The veritable problem in the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

            America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

            A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

    • Bill

      I think you are right, Vigilant,
      Given our situation of the private sector being over regulated (under the fantasy of global warming), over taxed and demonized by the socialists, It is no wonder the economy is in the toilet and a war could push it over the edge.
      When you think about all of the solutions that would fix the economy, the exact opposite is being done. And the dumbed down populace only know Gimmee More of the stuff you stole from someone else.

  • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

    Hey people…what do you think the 2nd amendment is FOR??? We the people are going to need to go to war…against the psychopaths
    running the country. “That whenever any Form of Government becomes
    destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to
    abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on
    such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall
    seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.” ~ Declaration of Independence

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      We’re not anywhere near ready. To revolt now, with all the heavily propagandized minions in our midst, would result in nothing beneficial.
      We would just trade one evil Leader for another:
      http://mises.org/daily/5363/The-Next-American-Revolution-Wont-Be-Like-the-First

    • nc

      Mark, grab you gun and hit the streets to destroy this government that is bent on destroying your country! But here is a warning on a couple of things! ! All of the crazies here who say they are with you! Don’t be surprised if they don’t show up for the showdown! Clue: if they were that fired up for a showdown they would already be out there! Me thinks they are just blowing smoke! Guns are easy to buy; guts are not so easy to come by! Also, there are Americans, millions and millions of them, who rather like their lot in life when they compare it to the rest of the world and had rather not surrender it to a bunch thugs spoiiling for a fight because they can’t win anything at the polls!.
      The fact 95% of the people here back you does not mean that 95% of Americans are going to be there with you! The man that has you fired up, Mr Wayne Allyn Root got 00.04 of one percent of the vote when he ran for President. That is hardly enough people to have a fist fight much less lead a successful revolt!

    • nc

      Mark, grab you gun and hit the streets to destroy this government that is bent on destroying your country! But here is a warning on a couple of things! ! All of the crazies here who say they are with you! Don’t be surprised if they don’t show up for the showdown! Clue: if they were that fired up for a showdown they would already be out there! Me thinks they are just blowing smoke! Guns are easy to buy; guts are not so easy to come by! Also, there are Americans, millions and millions of them, who rather like their lot in life when they compare it to the rest of the world and had rather not surrender it to a bunch thugs spoiiling for a fight because they can’t win anything at the polls!.
      The fact 95% of the people here back you does not mean that 95% of Americans are going to be there with you! The man that has you fired up, Mr Wayne Allyn Root got 00.04 of one percent of the vote when he ran for President. That is hardly enough people to have a fist fight much less lead a successful revolt!

  • native blood

    A new level of insanity? I think not! Our country has been tossed around by it since 1913! Get the bankers out of the business of government! Shut down the corporate influence of the banks and AIPAC! They are running us into the ground literally!

  • red neck

    As usual….. obama has opened his enormous mouth before he received all of the facts…. It puts me in mind of the George Zimmerman case….. Now obama ( or should I say obama’s mouth ) must retain his perceived messiah status among his vast following of ignorant sheeple…. So how does obama do this without lieing?…. Well it really doesn’t matter if obama lies because the hardline obama sheeple will undoubtedly continue to bend their knees and bow to their god obama regardless of the truth…..

    • Vis Fac

      NEVER forget ODUMBO has an agenda to destroy the United States. He tried using debt, unemployment, and race. This is his trump card down and dirty. Too bad the liberals got caught up in all the hype to see it. We warned them and they refused to listen. They listened to lame stream media who touted DUMBO as the best thing since sliced bread and we are the ones who will be sliced and diced!!!

      America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do
      Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

      Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a
      99% vote.”

      A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

  • Liz

    Question: Is O’Bama trying to start World War 111? Maybe, if it means he can stay in office longer. Think about it.

    • dan

      …covers a lot of his tracks : Benghazi , Seal team Six …..
      (couldn’t find the LONG list but you’ve seen it here at
      Personal Liberty)

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Or if O starts a full out war in the ME, the Muslims believe O will be helping get rid of Israel once and for all. Meanwhile in the US, O will have free reign to create all sorts of laws and regulations contrary to the Constitution not unlike his hero FDR.

    • Bill

      Good analogy, Liz
      Obama could care less about anybody but himself. He is bound and determined to sacrifice America in the name of his new world order.
      Maybe that is his way to hide his ineptitude at running a country and stimulating the economy

  • Rb

    We can hope that should our military men and women be forced to flight for the very people that want them dead they will have the numbers and strength to just say NO. We need to support any of them that lay down their weapons and go home. We can only hope enough can stand together and send a message that they will defend our nation by not defending those who want us destroyed.

    • Vis Fac

      That is not very likely as the command staff in the military play politics just as they do on Capitol Hill they need their jobs and will follow orders. This is the main reason I decided a military career was not for me. I am too honest, speak my mind, and the least politically correct person I know.
      War will begin under the sea from a submarine launched cruise missile then the fireworks will begin. Israel will be attacked by Russia and Iran we will retaliate then WW III All because ODUMBO is a complete FAILURE.

      America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do
      Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

      Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a
      99% vote.”

      A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

      • dan

        Definitely looks like the line in the sand is about to be crossed …
        The BIG ONE and the LAST ONE….

        • Nadzieja Batki

          The thing about drawing the line in the sand, it gets erased very easily so no one has the memory of where it was last drawn.

          • dan

            lol…good point. I almost went with crossing the Rubicon but Obongo hasn’t ever won a war…and he can’t win this one by aiding and supplying the enemy…he’s been warned and I don’t think they’re bluffing. Assets are prepositioned off our coasts and borders….and Israel will just be toast.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The people already exist in all parts of the world who will not fight for their survival but wait for America to do the war for them and then have America get saddled with their maintenance for the rest of their miserable lives. And for you groupies that hate Israel don’t come whining that Israel is doing this, doing that. Maybe your whining worked with you Mom and Dad against your brothers and sisters. Israel’s God is responsible for Israel and it behooves the US not to get in His way.

      • red neck

        Great post Nadzieja!!!!

      • Ronr

        Tell Ran Paul about Israel , he seems to think we do too much for them.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Ron Paul correctly believes it is not the Government’s money to give away. Not to Israel, or Palestine, or Saudi Arabia, or anywhere else.
          If they wanted to act as a collecting point for voluntary donations, that would be fine. But giving other unwilling people’s money away is simply theft.
          You can give your own money away any time you want Ronr, but keep your hands out of my pockets.
          http://mises.org/daily/4125

  • dan

    killing Christians….another little something the mainstream nedia doesn’t want to touch (like the race of hoods and thugs attacking people here at home)
    ….hmmmm: maybe the hoods and thugs are Muslim , too.
    They certainly aren’t Christian because Christians just don’t do such things…
    unless they’re only following orders,sigh.

    • Vis Fac

      Remember these words folks: “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation.” Barack Husain Obama

      America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do
      Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

      Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a
      99% vote.”

      A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

      • dan

        Obama looks to Nero and Calligula or maybe the Caliphs rather than the founding fathers for inspiration…he would rather rule than govern under the Constitution…and the corporate Congress does nothing

        • Vis Fac

          Corporate Congress are enablers and accomplices.

          The veritable problem in the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people full of doubts” Bertrand Russell

          America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

          Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.”

          A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-FiLeave

        • Ronr

          For everything this country and the world is not, for most of the killing, rape , exploitation of other countries, two world wars and a host of other atrocities Christians and people of non color have been at the head of the table. Now you cherry pick black on white crime and see a race war is an attempt by you and others on this site to continue to spread fiction as fact.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I already proved above that you have no credibility, Ronr. Why should anybody bother reading your comments?

          • dan

            You’re not makin’ alot of sense there…you’re one of those black racists that don’t realize that the Moores were black and enslaved the African continent before they set their sights on Christendom (Europe)or that Jesus Christ was of a Semitic tribe and probably had a pretty good tan ,too. Get a grip and get the chip off your shoulder.
            do you speak German or Japanese…thank a WW2 Vet….do you speak Russian or glow in the dark? Thank a Cold War Vet…but don’t give me crap about being a victem.

    • Ronr

      The media reports the killing of Christians but they do not exploit it as you and others here do. As for the race of people killing here crime has no race. Black on white crime is so low that you stand a better chance of death from drowning while drunk than being killed by a black person. Much more likely that a child is attacked by a thug not of color ,.the facts outside of the right wing bubble are that less than 2% of crimes of battery or murder are black on white crime, where white on white crime is far greater .

  • Patriot_Dave

    Let’s ALL swallow a LARGE dose of REALITY here!! President Obama doesn’t want WWIII any more than anyone else does (except that handful of GREEDY Corporatist running the Military Industrial Complex). IMO what he wants is a legitimate reason to test our forces readiness and to expend munitions to please these Corporatist slimeballs. ABSOLUTELY NO different than ‘W’ or Bush Sr.!!! The Iraq conflict also escalated DRAMATICALLY and that really made the MIC Corporatists happy all the while furthering their agenda for total corporate (FASCIST) control of America and the decimation of the middle/ working class, but it SERIOUSLY riled up a lot of voters and for GOOD reasons. IN the INFORMATION AGE it is incredibly difficult to hide your LIES!!!… The issue we should be considering is what will Russia’s response be……???….

    • Vis Fac

      Liberal eat lies for breakfast dinner and supper. Liberals are GLUED to their TV sets watching BSDNC tell them lies. You lie often and long enough liberals see those lies as truth. Liberal one dimensional idiot-ology dictates that it is perfectly fine for ODUMBO to commit crimes they blame on Bush that when ODUMBO decides to start a true ‘Illegal War” it magically becomes altruistic in cause. Remember these words folks: “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation.” Barack Husain Obama

      America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do
      Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

      Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a
      99% vote.”

      A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

    • Bill

      P Dave,
      What a bunch of BS. You sure have been sold a bill of goods. By the way, I have a bridge you might be interested in.

      • Patriot_Dave

        Sure No problem I’ll trade you your Bridge for a nice chunk of prime real estate…On the Moon…..

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Here is an article from MLK dealing with our country.
    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/mlk-just-law-man-made-code-squares-law-god
    FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
    “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”
    Benjamin Franklin
    Founding father
    Devout Christian

  • Alan

    Obama has been considered a weak president, so this would make him look strong, as well as deflect focus on all of his unconstitutional practices. I cannot rally behind him at all, because he has done nothing except trash this country. He is a vile human being.

    • AttMore

      Excellent post!!!

      • Alan

        Thank you.

        • AttMore

          You’re welcome:)…..God Bless!!!

    • Vis Fac

      ODUMBO will NEVER appear to look strong. He hides behind billions of dollars in omnipotence Thousand dollar suits, Ten dollar words, and a ten cent morality.
      ODUMBO is a colossal failure and he knows it he is going down in flames and knows it this is his last chance to destroy America and he knows it. Bend over and grab your ankles folks because congress is impotent and won’t impeach this fool before he does something more stupid than he has to this point.

      America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our liberties, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.– Abraham Lincoln

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do
      Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

      Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch with the well armed lamb contesting the vote. Liberty comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a
      99% vote.”

      A democratic government that respects no limits on its power is a ticking time bomb, waiting to destroy the rights it was created to protect.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

      • Alan

        You are correct, but his drooling followers will think him great and powerful.

        • Bill

          Alan,
          When KG comments, he will be a good example of the drooling followers that worships the ground he walks on

        • NC

          Alan, let me guess! You did not like Obama BEFORE he was first elected! You do not like Obama now! He has never done anything to your approval. He can’t do anything to please you short of resigning! AM I RIGHT SO FAR?? WHAT HAVE I MISSED??
          THIS DISQUALIFIES YOU AS AN OBJECTIVE CRITIC!
          INDEPENDENT ADULTS SEE THIS SO YOU CAN RAVE ON BUT YOU CAN’T BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!! I THINK FORCE IS IN THE SAME BOAT!

          • Alan

            Not true ! I was sceptical of Obama because of his affiliations ( sixties radicals, pastor of his church, etc. ) . I will admit that I didnt vote for him because of those affiliations, but vowed to give him fair chance once elected. Unfortunatly he has proven himself unqualified and against the U.S. constitution.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            LOL. NutCase stressing over somebody else’s objectivity — Priceless.

  • dan

    obama has gone past deceitful and depraved to delusional and dangerous

    • red neck

      He has always been delusional and dangerous and now at the brink of global destruction due to obamas incompetence and enormous ego the world is finally starting to see just what a turd he really is.

    • Bill

      Dan,
      I agree with your thinking. And the dumbed downed herds will just follow him off the cliff like a herd of lemmings.
      Check out the comments from the socialist posters that will try to make us believe that their hero is doing the right thing

      • dan

        agree..there are plenty of RINOs and war-drum beaters
        that will join in, wrongly thinking it’s a solution to the problems
        that they’ve allowed to develope…and mainstream media will cheerlead because they love the excitement and opportunity
        of covering a ‘big game’ and playing ‘war correspondant’.

  • Sam Adams

    Whats the penalty for Aiding and Abedding and material support the enemies of the USA?

    • dan

      ah, but the Pretorian Secret Service isn’t about to let us ….
      and the NSA and corporate controled Con-gress isn’t going to do
      anything ….

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Even Wayne, who claims to be a Libertarian, says — “America got out of the last Great Depression with the help of World War II”.
    That is Propaganda and it is absolutely false. We got out of the Great Depression because, after the war, Government expenditures were greatly reduced (from $118 Billion in 1945 to $55 Billion in 1948):
    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1900_2013USb_13s1li011tcn_F1t

    Wars destroy wealth. They don’t create it. And they destroy human lives (60 million in WWII).
    http://mises.org/daily/5069/World-War-II-Did-Not-End-the-Great-Depression

    The road to WWII:
    http://mises.org/daily/6260/The-Road-to-World-War-II

    Wayne needs to read the Broken Window Fallacy:
    http://mises.org/daily/5593/The-BrokenWindow-Fallacy

    • dan

      the real effect of war is the thinning of the herd…unfortuanately
      it’s mostly the better (more noble and competent…and less luckey)
      part…and redistribution of their assets

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Wars are fought to favor Political friends and Crony Capitalists. They also give the Leaders a foothold to further erode our Freedom.
        The Leaders aren’t necessarily trying to thin the herd, but they probably don’t care that it happens as long as they get what they want.

        • dan

          Don’t forget :land,loot and power…these NWO dupes are a lot more like yesteryears meglomaniacs and are a lot less refined than you give them credit ,Dave

    • KG

      quote: We got out of the Great Depression because, after the war, Government expenditures were greatly reduced…

      Do you smoke crak? Thats what cause the mini recession of 1937-38. When FDR decided that it was time to “balance the budget”, the reduction of federal outlays caused a recession within the Great Depression.

      What got America out of the Great Depression will always be contested due to the short period between the two greatest events in the early 20th century. However, there is no greater proof of the wisdom of FDR’s policies than America, along with her allies, were victorious against International Fascism. If it were not for the New Deal and the general governments intervention in the failure of Capitalism, we would all be speaking German.

      That ‘broken window’ keep a lot of families fed.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Cutting Government spending is never a bad thing for the economy. Government consumes wealth. Private investors create wealth. Every dollar that is consumed by Government is one less dollar that could have gone to productive wealth-enhancing endeavors by private investors.
        The Socialist Progressive FDR kept us in 10 years of Depression with his meddling.:
        http://mises.org/daily/6424/The-HooverRoosevelt-Depression-Revisited
        In 1920, there was a Depression which lasted only 2 years, because Warren Harding was smart enough to butt out and cut Government spending:
        http://mises.org/daily/3788

        The only “crak” around here, KGB, is the very large one in your Socialist head.

  • Royce

    As a retired Senior Naval Officer who has received National security Training, our President and most others are omitting the most important issue here; destabilize the middle east and all Oil will be cut off, putting the entire European Union along with the USA & Canada in jeopardy. Yes it could mean War for the Western Nations .with possibly a world wide depression. Our nation is bankrupt and the consequences are enormous and will result in the loss of American lives. I believe this Muslim youth educated president may be desirous of this effect.. What has happened to the judgment of the average American? Socialism seems to be consuming our nation . Pray that God will straighten out this mess.

    • Al Chemist

      If the crude was cut off from the ME, maybe we would be able to go after our own sources of energy and raw materials for industry. There is more than enough available in the US and Alaska (and offshore) to offset what comes from all those ME countries combined. We just have to have the will to go after it. Of course, quite a few environmentalists might have to be eliminated.

      • Bill

        Good Analogy, Al
        There are a lot of people that are good people with good intentions that have been sold a bill of goods about global warming and believe it like a religion.
        The concepts of pollution and “Global Warming was originally started by KG’s hero, Karl Marx and Fred Engles.
        It has been finessed to the point that it is an easy sell when it’s real goal is to kill capitalism and not save the planet.
        You are right, maybe cutting off our oil supply from the middle east might be the straw that broke the Camels back as far as stimulating our oil production.
        We are only in the middle east for oil. If we develop our own energy, then we can quit dealing with the middle east and stop wasting our money and lives on their conflicts

      • rhcrest

        I have no problem with throwing the environmentalists off the nearest very tall bridge.

    • Bluefuse

      Our dependency for oil in the ME is quickly dying, so we shouldn’t be too concerned about destabilizing the ME. I’m a Merchant Marine, and I’ve been considering getting a DP certificate to jump into the offshore drilling part of the industry. Over the next few years, most of the world’s oil will be coming from drilling in the gulfs and seas. This industry has been booming down in the Gulf of Mexico for quite a few years now.

  • armyvet706

    Obama is a criminal to the bone. This potential war with Syria proves it. He’s covering his tracks and his criminal acts by going to war. Just as it was posted below. This makes perfect sense. Failure of Congress to approve this action would probably lead to his prosecution for treason.

  • Bill

    Everything we hear in the mainstream media is propaganda. The whole “Arab Spring” was a made up fairy tale to excuse our actions of toppling governments for other reasons that we do not know.
    Things are done differently in the middle east and to think that we can install the same principles of our constitutional republic in the middle east is about the same as believing in the Easter bunny.
    Each person is first loyal to their family, then their tribe, then their faction of religion (Shiite vs Sunni) and last their government. There are no guaranteed rights for anyone and it really is just the most strongest warlord wins.
    I don’t buy that Assad is gassing his people. I think it is another BS story being sold to the dumbed down public to warrant our involvement in yet another un winnable war

    • Al Chemist

      You are absolutely correct! Well said.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      If the Leaders real goal was Democratic elections, then we surely wouldn’t have tolerated Saudi Arabia for all these decades:
      http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=59155

      • Bill

        Good Analogy, Original Dave

    • nc

      Bill, I totally agree that we cannot force American style government on Muslim nations> bush could have drawn American style Constitutions for Iraq( or any other Muslim Nation) till the world was flat and those people were still going to live by the Koran! It is their religion in their countries and we best not INVADE for the purpose of changing that.
      So far Clinton’s rocket attack, Reagans bombing, Israell’s bombing of Muslim Nuclear facilities and cross rockets attacks between Israel and it’s neighbors have not produced a World War III in spite of the fear mongering of Root and the Libertarian establishment.
      World War III has not happened because those who would go to war against us do not know where our subs with the nuclear tips are in the world ! THEY FEAR THE WRATH OF A BIG MISTAKE!!!
      So far Obama’s foreign policy has done what I hoped it would do! Work to end the senseless dying of our troops for worthless causes!
      I voted for him twice but I believe his two biggest mistakes have been moving for heath care reform too soon and getting out of Afghanistan too late! Otherwise I applaud his efforts to correct bush’s failures with no help from bush’s Party of NO!!

    • Karolyn

      Oh, yeah. Assad is such a good guy; he would never do something like that.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Didn’t you just say — “Yes, let’s all listen to Charie or anybody else who carries unsubstantiated rumors”?
        How do you feel about Obama’s Drone attacks, Karolyn?
        http://www.salon.com/2013/08/29/overlooked_debacle_overseas_u_s_drone_strikes_are_ratcheting_up/
        Will the real terrorists please stand up?

        • Karolyn

          I really don’t get your point, Dave. And I do not agree with any intervention by the US in the Mideast. I do believe Assad is using whatever he can use against his own people, but I don’t think it is up to us to rescue them.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Did you miss Bob Livingston’s article?
            http://personalliberty.com/2013/08/28/whats-to-gain/

          • WTS/JAY

            “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”

            -William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Here is an article about the Egyptians capturing a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
            http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/08/transvestite-muslim-brotherhood-leader-safwat-hegazy-caught-egyptian-military/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “History will also afford frequent opportunities of showing the necessity of a public religion and the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern.”
            Benjamin Franklin
            Founding father
            Devout Christian
            *He talks about having Christianity as a public religion. Not a deist.

      • Vigilant

        It now develops that the initial attack (21 Aug) was most likely done by Assad’s brother without authorization. Subsequent attacks (probably using the residue of Libya’s WMD) were accomplished in the following days by the rebels.

        No one has clean hands in Syria.

      • WTS/JAY

        Where’s the evidence, Karolyn?

        • Karolyn

          I did not say he did or didn’t. All I alluded to was that I think he is capable of doing it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            why?

          • WTS/JAY

            Why do you think that?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Why would he do that Karolyn? He is in the middle of a war and is trying to win the support of the people, so why would he do something that would squelch any support he may have had? Do not forget that the rebels have terrorists in their ranks and isn’t it possible that they got their hands on these things? I know we were training in the army for just such a situation since 1991. Here is an article that will back up what I am saying.
            http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/08/growing-evidence-supports-syrian-rebels-launched-chemical-attacks/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “For a Muslim to keep his word to an Infidel at the expense of opportunities to expand Islamic power is the Islamic equivalent of a mortal sin.”
            Benjamin Franklin
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    I think that the natural instincts of the common man would be that War cannot be good for an economy. Since when is destruction good for an economy? If destruction was deemed to be good for an economy, then why would those who believed that way think that we need the protection of Government? Why don’t we just encourage everybody to crash their car? Imagine all the new jobs that would be created? Of course that is crazy talk, because destroying wealth is never a good thing for an economy. If destroying wealth was a good thing, Rwanda would have had a robust economy during and after their 1990s war:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Rwanda

    The Ecomomics of War:
    http://mises.org/daily/5664/The-Economics-of-War

  • Don 2

    Pathways To War Sometimes Turn Into Highways To Hell, And Nobody Knows Where This Is Going. War Is The Most Unpredictable Of All Endeavors. ~ Major General Bob Scales, Retired

  • JLouisK

    Couldn’t have said it better myself!

    • nc

      Louis, how easy it is to say! How hard it is to prove! How do I know? I just saw him in the Oval Office! How long has that “illegal” been in office now??? Over 4 1/2 years?? You conservatives have some really dumb lawyers and Congressmen to let that happen!! Don’t you think???

  • Charles A. Stone

    Before Hitler””sorry”” obama was Illegally put into power, he said “My main objective is to disarm the citizens of the United States, change the National anthem (Rockets Bursting In Air), & also indicating, his will, to change these United States Of America, TO a Socialist country. Obama also admits to, is, or has been, on illegal drugs, & attending USA flag burning ceremonies. Charlie Stone WW2 Vet.

    • Yeesh…

      Links? Sources? Oh, right, you just made that up.

      • Kenneth

        No, not “made up” “Yeesh’, this is exactly what Obama is doing right now, everything that Charles said. Wake up dude

        • Karolyn

          Yes, let’s all listen to Charie or anybody else who carries unsubstantiated rumors.

        • Yeesh…

          “It’s a FACT! I have PROOF in that I CAN YELL REALLY LOUD ABOUT IT! SOCIALISM!”

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Why don’t you and Mark just shut up? You 2 are disgraceful examples of Americans. BTW, why do you at least thank him for his service? Here are 2 videos that talk about Obama bin Laden, the Muslim Brotherhood, and thers in the Middle East.
        http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/08/fox-news-time-designate-muslim-brotherhood-terror-group/
        http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/08/press-cant-get-straight-answer-state-depts-laughable-double-talk/
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
        “…the minute you turn the document (the Constitution) into the hands of non-Christian people and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundations of our society.”
        Rev. Pat Roberston
        December 30, 1981

        • Yeesh…

          Here’s the constitution, I’ll give you a minute to count how many times it says “God” or “Christ” (Hint: 0)
          http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

          Neither of your videos has anything to do with Obama, so I don’t understand how they support the claim that he said his main objective was to disarm the citizens.

          As long as we’re doing by the ways, I think you should know your points would be better received if you could bother to take a moment and check your spelling.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I already have a copy of all 4 of our founding documents and you are wrong. “…in the Year of our Lord…”, is a reference to Jesus in Article VII and “…secure the blessings of liberty…”, is a reference to God in the Preamble. Remember, even the Declaration of Independence says, “…endowed (BLESSED) by their Creator (GOD), of these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness.” Ergo, all rights in the first 10 Amendments are God-given rights, not given by the Constitution. It seems you need to study the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution a lot more than you have been. This coming from a person who is a history teacher and holder of a Masters in History, how about you? What? Just a GED? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “In the beginning of the contest with Britain, when we were senible of danger, we had daily prayers in this room for Divine protection.”
            Benjamin Franklin
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Same secularist argument. Not worthy of an answer. Just remember the saying, “The Constitution fits right on top of the Declaration of Independence.” Go and find out what that means. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! ㅁ하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            It seems that you are clearly void of any understanding of our Christian founding fathers and are in dire need of going back to school to learn.

          • Yeesh…

            You won’t answer because you have no retort. My points about the possible varying interpretations of the words are perfectly valid and the best you can manage to screw them fast to divinity is “B-b-but the founding fathers were Christian!”

            I love God, and my country, and I think they should leave eachother well enough alone.

            The Supreme Court of 1947 would agree with me, too.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everson_v._Board_of_Education

    • mark

      Keep taking your meds, Charlie. And let us know when you’re getting out of the home, so we can all chip in for a cupcake with a candle in it for you. In the meantime, put on your tin foil hat to prevent alien ray gun damage to the ol’ noggin’.

      • Sam

        Why don’t you shut your mouth? You make no sense and you are making a fool of yourself.

        • mark

          But not as much a one as Charlie and you.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          He does not have to make. He just IS a liberal FOOL!!!

  • mnkysnkle

    Right on Mr. Root. It looks like he’s getting ready to make a HUGE mistake. Let’s hope congress has the gonads to book him a room at the Walla Walla home for tyrants.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Groomed by the Muslim Brotherhood—is Obama the Muslim nation’s new caliph? Try to remove him and see “jihad” as never imagined before!
    https://ofthehighest.wordpress.com/2013/04/23/groomed-by-the-muslim-brotherhood-is-barack-obama-the-muslim-nations-new-caliph-try-to-remove-him-and-see-jihad-as-never-imagined-before/

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Good source fellow patriot. Here are 2 articles about Syria. The second one tells if Obama bin Laden strikes Syria, without the approval of the House and Senate, Joe Biden will ask for impeachment to begin. Now this shows some dissention among their ranks, especially if your #2 says he’ll start it himself. Let’s just hope he keeps his word.
      http://www.humanevents.com/2013/08/29/syria-does-not-satisfy-the-powell-doctrine/
      http://www.humanevents.com/2013/08/29/joe-biden-threatens-to-impeach-the-president/
      Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “Sir, I am in the hands of a merciful God. I have full confidence in His goodness and mercy. The Bible is true. I have tried to conform to its spirit as near as possible. Upon that sacred volume I rest my hope for eternal salvation, through the merits and blood of our blessed Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.”
      Andrew Jackson
      May 29, 1845
      7th President of the U.S.

  • mark

    This isn’t going to be World War III. Please, what an absolute joke. Another ludicrous exaggeration by WAR (note the name) like Romney’s 2012 landslide win. But it will certainly appeal to all the pants-wetters and bed-wetters on this site who are scared of their own shadows, believing in massive FEMA camp incarcerations, Obama’s secret army, a UN take-over of the U.S., a government seizure of everyone’s guns, the imposition of Sharia law in every county in America and just about any other cuckoo-clock conspiracy that the latest escapee from a mental asylum can come up with. Dream on, Mr. Root. And to everyone else, immediately start building your bomb shelters. In fact quit all your jobs, pull all your money out of the bank, sell everything you own, and buy up all the canned goods you can store for the Third World War. Hardy-ha-ha.

  • Jeff

    What hogwash! If Obama is Morsi’s ally, he’s not a very good one. Obama no more desired Morsi to win the election than you did, but he did win it. As President, Obama had no choice but to deal with Morsi as the elected president. Now that he’s been overthrown, the question is how do we respond? This is high stakes poker, not a discussion amongst drunks in a bar! Anybody can see how this might be called a coup, but using that word carries implications for the continuation of US Aid to the Egyptian military. Certainly it would feel good to cut them off, but what purpose would be served other than symbolism? Most of the money we give the Egyptians ends up in the hands of U.S. defense contractors anyway.
    We are essentially spectators in Egypt. We might desire certain outcomes, but it would be unwise to do anything to bring them about. Remember Iran in 1953. We’re still paying for that CIA operation.
    And whatever we do in Syria, it will not involve invasion and occupation. It is more likely to resemble Libya than Iraq. After all, our leader is an intelligent person, not W The Chimp.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      So you’re okay with killing other countries’ people, as long as we don’t stay too long? It’s amazing to me, how you Liberal Progressives change your morality depending on who’s in office.

      • mark

        But that isn’t true, Dave: the nature of an intervention is crucial. If George W. Bush had launched a few dozen cruise missiles to wipe out Saddam’s WMD program (if one had actually existed), I would have supported him. I wouldn’t have particularly liked the operation but it would have been a reasonable response. What I could not support was a 200,000 man war and U.S. occupation that lasted 8 years, cost 5,000 U.S. dead, 40,000 U.S. wounded, paraplegics, amputees, and mentally traumatized plus a $2 trillion bill for the U.S. taxpayers – and worst of all, some 160,000 Iraqi dead, their country fractured, their infrastructure ruined for a decade – and for what? To create some neo-con fantasy of a Jeffersonian Republic on the Tigris? This is cuckoo-clock foreign policy. Compare that to Libya, zero U.S. dead, zero U.S. wounded, cost of a few hundred million for some bombing and missile strikes – and the result: a horrible dictator who blew up the airliner over Lockerbie and committed thousands of other atrocities was overthrown – and a civil war that was killing thousands of Libyans ended much quicker than it would have otherwise without NATO intervention. There is a difference here, Dave. One intervention cost little, had zero U.S. casualties, was quick, and saved thousands of local lives. The other (Bush’s), cost thousands of U.S. lives and tens of thousands of U.S. wounded, provoked a civil war that cost over a hundred thousand local lives, cost U.S. taxpayers a fortune in crushing two trillion dollar debt and accomplished nothing. I and the majority of Americans see an major difference here between the 2 interventions, Dave. You don’t.

        • Vigilant

          “One intervention cost little, had zero U.S. casualties, was quick, and saved thousands of local lives.”

          And under the aegis of WHAT Constitutional standard do you attempt to justify that intervention? Comparison of casualty counts has never, to my mind, been a justification for invading a sovereign nation that has not threatened us.

          To be sure, BOTH actions were ill advised and would never have been considered a cause for exercise of US miltary power by the Founders.

          • mark

            Self-defense of American citizens, Vigilant. Gaddafi killed 189 U.S. citizens with his terrorist explosion of PanAm Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland which he later admitted his government had major culpability in. You can weep for the dictator Gaddafi. I weep for the 189 murdered and innocent U.S. citizens.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103

            The Founding Fathers, chiefly Thomas Jefferson, also launched a major military assault on Libya, Tunisia and Algeria, called the Barbary Wars (this conflict was an undeclared war like Obama’s in Libya that involved a lot more U.S. personnel than Obama’s intervention.) And it was done to stop attacks on U.S. shipping. Again the same principle: defense of U.S. citizens and their property.

            http://history.state.gov/milestones/1801-1829/BarbaryWars

          • Vigilant

            “You can weep for the dictator Gaddafi.”

            Where the HELL do you get off making a comment like that? And good God, you are not talking about self defense, you’re talking about revenge for something that happened in 1988 and for which responsibility was taken in 2003.

            Is that REALLY your skewed take on the Libyan fiasco? Self defense? You’re daft.

            The Barbary pirates were clearly and directly threatening US shipping interests. Tell us what clear and direct threat Libya posed in 2011.

          • mark

            Right, so you would have also opposed President Obama’s decision to take out Osama Bin Laden in 2011 for the Twin Tower attacks of 2001, since the event had occurred ten years earlier and killing Bin Laden was an act of revenge for a long ago event. I see. Obama should have forgiven Bin Laden and just let it go as Bush Sr. and Jr. and Bill Clinton forgave Gaddafi? After all it was only 189 American dead – not like the 4 killed in Benghazi. This explains a lot about your many posts, Vigilant. Now l know on whose side in the War against Terrorism you stand. You back the terrorists over the innocent American people who they slaughtered. I can assure you that I don’t. The day Gaddafi fell, I drank a toast with my friends who I served in the army with in the early 1980s. We did the same when Bin Laden was killed. And we will do so again when the terrorists insurgents at Benghazi are brought to justice NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES – TEN, TWENTY OR THIRTY YEARS. There is no statute of limitation on mass murder. But you go ahead and weep for the terrorists, Vigilant. It suits your character.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re making a very big assumption, mark — That Obama took out Bin Laden. There is no definitive proof of that. And six of the people who might have shed light on that coincidentally died in an “accident” a few months later. How convenient.
            Another big assumption is that of sacrificing a few to save the many. The many are all individual people, no one of which had any more right to life than any of the individuals who belonged to the group of the few. Unless those few voluntarily accept their sacrifice of life, it is not in any way noble for you to make that decision for them.

          • Vigilant

            ” Now l know on whose side in the War against Terrorism you stand. You back the terrorists over the innocent American people who they slaughtered.”

            Don’t lecture me on who and who does not support terrorism.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Lies! Lies! Lies! I’ll bet your nose is longer than Pinoccio’s nose. Prove Obama bin Laden killed Osama. No body, no murder. Here is an article that will show what would happen if we attack Syria.
            http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/iran-thousands-of-missiles-to-rain-on-israel/
            Here is one that proves more that the Bible is correct.
            http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/archaeologists-find-harbinger-fallen-bricks/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.”
            Margaret Sanger
            American Eugenist

      • Jeff

        What I might want and what I think will happen are very different. I’d like it if we’d never gone into Iraq. I’ve been against virtually every conflict we’ve been involved in since WWII including all the toppling of “socialist” countries whose only crime was electing leaders we didn’t like. The last thing we should do is invade Syria. My comment was limited to the likelihood of our action there causing a world war.
        Now, short of invasion involving U.S. troops, are there “interventions” that can serve a useful purpose – useful being defined in terms of helping people throw off a dictator? I’m not entirely sure, but a couple of examples stand out – Kosovo, Libya, and possibly the first Iraq War. Unlike you, Dave, I don’t have all the answers.
        The reason I hesitate to include Iraq I among the positives is we didn’t really go in to save Kuwait. We went in to enforce discipline on an unreliable business partner in Saddam. Saddam’s greatest “crime” in the eyes of the powers that be had nothing to do with gassing the Kurds. Heck, he was practically our client when he did that. No, he was threatening to not play ball with the OPEC cartel. He was making noises about pumping too much oil, clearly against the wishes of Bush and his Saudi “associates.”
        That being said, at least Bush the Elder had the sense not to occupy Iraq. I tend to agree with Mark that getting rid of Saddam may have been a worthwhile goal, but the tactics have to bear some proportionality with the importance of the goal. In 2003, Saddam was a threat to almost no one outside Iraq and even some regions of Iraq were beyond his control. So, treating him like Hitler II was completely idiotic.
        If you take the position you clearly do that no intervention can ever be justified because people can be hurt, then you don’t have to make the hard decisions. If the possibility of hurting a few hundred might save millions of lives, you can always claim you had nothing to do with it. I think it’s safe to assume neither you nor anyone who thinks like you will be President anytime soon.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Jeff says — “If you take the position you clearly do that no intervention can ever be justified because people can be hurt, then you don’t have to make the hard decisions. If the possibility of hurting a few hundred might save millions of lives, you can always claim you had nothing to do with it. I think it’s safe to assume neither you nor anyone who thinks like you will be President anytime soon”.

          That is a safe assumption, Jeff, because anybody who thinks like me wouldn’t have anything to do with Forcing their way on other people, for the gains of a few at the expense of the many, which is primarily what Government is all about.
          I realize that there are many, like yourself Jeff, who don’t like other people Forcing their way on them, but who don’t mind a bit when the shoe is on the other foot. I’m not one of them. When I near my end, I will still like myself, as I know that I have never Forcibly taken advantage of anybody else. That is the most important thing in anybody’s life — liking yourself. The rest of you, however, will spend your later years trying to convince yourselves, to no avail, that you were only acting selfishly to help others.

          • JeffH

            Hear! Hear!

          • Jeff

            Dave, there are lots of homilies one can use both in favor of, and totally against, intervention. I’m sure you have some you go by about tending to your own tomatoes, etc. There are also those about all it takes for evil to reign supreme is for good men to do nothing. And for the Biblically inclined, there’s the whole “Am I my brother’s keeper?” question. The problem is there’s no computer program to tell you when each applies. That’s where wisdom and judgment come into play.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Killing without due process or in self defense is murder, Jeff. You can rationalize it all you want (and you will), but if you want to murder other people, keep your hands off my wallet, and don’t pretend to be doing it in my name.

          • Jeff

            So, you’d have ignored the attack on Pearl Harbor and told the Nazis when they declared war to go play with somebody else? We probably agree on at least 90% of the military actions we’ve been involved in over the years. Why you insist on calling me a murderer is something only you can answer, CB. If someone you know is starving and you offer no aid, are you a murderer? It’s easy to throw around accusations. Making sensible policy is difficult.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I wouldn’t have messed with the Japanese in the first place, so they would have had no reason to attack.
            If you advocate killing people without due process, then you are a Murderer, Jeff. Live with it, or change.
            Personally, I would impoverish myself to help those I love (and have), but it is none of my business, or yours, what other people choose to do with their own wealth.
            And if you did enough studying, you would find that most wars are started by evil people seeking advantage for themselves over other people.
            If you believe that the Police can’t legitimately carpet bomb the neighborhood to kill a suspect, then you certainly would have to agree that they can’t do that to another country. You may be able to justify breaking a few eggs to make your omelet, but I’m not wired that way.

          • Jeff

            I don’t believe in killing even with due process, Dave, so kindly confine your creepy comments to things you know something about. For the record, I see nothing particularly noble about simply saying no intervention under any circumstances. There are intelligent and stupid ways to do things. It did not come down from Mt. Sinai that we always have to do things the stupid way.

            Now, following WWII, we faced a situation where North Korea, having been divided from the South following the War, attacked and wanted to subsume South Korea, imposing on it a political and economic system not to your liking. Now, forgetting for the moment about some of the miscalculations and the desires of MacArthur (which might well have started World War III), was it impermissible for us to aid South Korea?
            Had we been able to do something to prevent Pol Pot’s murderous regime, would that also be impermissible because somebody might get hurt? Sometimes inaction hurts more people than action. I agree that in the vast majority of cases our interventions do more harm than good. I’m just not willing to accept that as an immutable law of nature (although in this instance it was our actions that permitted Pol Pot to take power).

            I probably agree with you about the Syria thing. I see little good coming from our dropping bombs there. If we could really do a surgical strike and take out the Government’s chemical weapons, that might make sense, but anything short of that is largely symbolic. And our leading any military action in the Arab World is likely doomed from the start so soon after Iraq.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Your post is so full of rants and ignorance that it is difficult to find a place to start. But here are some articles that explain what is going on in Syria and with Obama bin Laden.
          http://www.redstate.com/2013/08/28/obama-syria-and-iraq-any-end-but-victory/
          http://www.redstate.com/2013/08/28/ethnic-cleansing-begins-in-syria/
          This is what is happening to Christians in Syria, but we go there to defend Muslim rebels that have terrorists in their ranks? I see that Obama bin Laden has, once again, usurped the Constitution. I guess he doesn’t know about Article 1 or 2. Here are some dealing with Syria from Washington.
          http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/north-history-cruise-missiles/2013/08/28/id/522796?s=al&promo_code=14AE3-1
          http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Syria-Boehner/2013/08/28/id/522769?s=al&promo_code=14AE3-1
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
          “The only assurance of our nation’s safety is to lay our foundation in morality and religion.”
          Abraham Lincoln
          16th President of the U.S.

          • Ronr

            Yeah, reich wing wacko news idiots like the ones here. You really expect anyone with an ounce of brain to look to those idiots for the truth?? Birther papers.

            You sir are a lie !!
            Said by Ben Franklin to an idiot like you sometime during the revolution. I’m sure.

    • ibn insha

      I wish I could buy you a one way ticket to nowhere so that we would not have to endure your idiocy again but alas, nowhere does not exist. You think brother Obama is intelligent? If he is intelligent then my pet chicken is Einstein.

    • macgyver1948

      Jeff… Right on… :-)

  • Vash the Stampede

    Great another war they cannot pay for. Heeding Gorge Washington words about foreign policy would serve them better.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    He is just ONE of them.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tKMiRxnRN4

    @3:05 He says that his perspectives been shaped by his experience as a child in Indonesia where he was a muslim.

    He says: “(1)We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, (2) which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world – (3) including in my own country.”

    Oh, REALLY???
    1) Do you, People, convey YOUR “deep appreciation for the Islamic faith” – religion of HATE & TERROR?

    2) The religion “which has done so much over the centuries” krimes in the human history, which have been perpetrated in the name of their PHONY allah and the fake self-appointed “prophet” mohammad – murderer, child molester, pedophile, rapist, thief, burglar, LIAR.

    3) Yes, “including in” OUR “own country.”
    3.1. September 11, 2001: 2,996 human deaths
    3.2. November 5, 2009, at Fort Hood: 13 people and one unborn baby murdered and more than 30 others injured. But that MASSACRE was just a “WORKPLACE VIOLENCE”
    3.3. September 11, 2012: Four Americans are murdered. But that was provoked by the “YouTube Video”
    3.4. Two Coptic Christians from the Egyptian community in New Jersey were beheaded by muslim, who then buried their bodies and heads and hands in separate graves near Philadelphia
    3.5. Boston bombing

    But SURPRISE, SURPRISE!!! The ABC and NBC news reported that “there is no evidence, at this time, that this was an act of Sharia” and that police have apprehended the murder suspect and is investigating the MOTIVE for the double murder. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8Kz78IaGE4

    And list goes on and on “including” in our own country.

    May allah’s piss be upon you, helly barry hussein

    • Ronr

      Bush expressed his appreciation for the Muslim faith also. There are and have been for years Muslims in the military . And Jefferson owned a Koran.

      • Vigilant

        Owning a Koran does not make one a proponent of its doctrines. I own a Koran, King James, Oxford and Standard Revised versions of the Bible, as well as the Apocrypha, The Mormon Bible and Seventh Day Adventist literature, as well as works that explore Buddhism, Hindu, Shinto and other followings.

        Jefferson, by the way, didn’t believe in any of those faiths.

        • Karolyn

          Amen!

          • Ron r

            Amen!!!

        • macgyver1948

          So true Vigilant…. I too have owned the Catholic and KJV Christian bibles and I have no faith in them. My owning of them was to better learn and understand and share, not to convert. I bet Jefferson had similar intentions with the Koran as we know he was Christian.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Bush was stupid and maybe still.

        But you have to do some research, Ronny, to find out WHY Jefferson acquired the helly book quran.

        Please, do not distort the FACTS of the American history!!!

        Here is what John Quincy Adams, the sixth President of the
        United States, an American diplomat said about islam & its “prophet”:

        “He [Muhammad] poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by DEGRADING the CONDITION OF THE FEMALE SEX and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and EXTERMINATING WAR, AS A PART OF HIS RELIGION, AGAINST ALL THE REST OF MANKIND. The ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST; TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Capitals in original)…Between these two religions (Christianity & islam), thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged…While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the FALSE prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can NEVER be peace upon earth, and good will towards men.”

        “It is a misfortune to human nature, when religion is given by a conqueror. The Mahometan religion, which speaks only by the sword, acts still upon men with that destructive spirit with which it was founded.” – Montesquieu, the famous French political
        thinker (“Spirit of the Laws”, Book XXIV, Chapter IV)

        “The sword of Mahomet, and the Coran are the MOST FATAL ENEMIES of Civilization, Liberty, and Truth, which the world has yet known.” – William Muir, (“The Life of Mahomet”, vol. 4, 1861, p. 322)

        Ronny, if you want to know what other smart and intelligent people are thinking about your religion, just let me know.

        Chao and stay in touch.
        Alondra

        • Ron r

          The fact remains that Jefferson owned a Koran which he purchased as a student. In fact on Dec. 9th 1805 Jefferson hosted the first Iftar at the Whitehouse, Though unintended it occurred because Jefferson was meeting with envoy from Tunisia. Religion is sometimes what religious pimps can make us believe it means. John Adams had his opinion, but that did not make him Islamaphobic.. As a diplomat he would have to deal with Muslims and people of all religions.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            STOP to prove that you are brainwashed IDIOT !!!

            There is so much islamic Taqiyya and Kitman coming out of this little White House it’s hard to keep up the record. And this is a little White House’s BIG lie: Thomas Jefferson hosted “iftar”

            As ALWAYS the Illegal pRESIDENT of the WH engaging in the islamic PROPAGANDA – of historical ALTERATION
            and LIES with one purpose: ISLAMICIZED America and
            whole world.

            The TRUTH is that “Jefferson did host a temporary Muslim envoy for dinner at the White House in 1805, and it happened to be during Ramadan. The envoy, who
            celebrated his Muslim-hood by REQUESTING
            PROSTITUTES
            as soon as he set foot on American soil, said HE COULD NOT COME AT THE SCHEDULED TIME OF DINNER, 3:30 p.m., BECAUSE of Ramadan, but could come after sundown. Not to mention that he would probably be occupied with his infidel call girl until then anyway.

            Jefferson COURTEOUSLY AGREED. But he didn’t change the menu to make the dinner halal or Muslim-friendly or anything of the sort.” http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/120816

            The irony. Ronny, is that Jefferson WENT TO WAR AGAINST slamic SUPREMACISTS.

            I hope, genius, you are familiar with these words:

            From the Halls of Montezuma,
            To the SHORES OF Tripoli;
            We fight our country’s battles
            In the air, on land, and sea;
            First to fight for right and freedom
            And to keep our honor clean:
            We are proud to claim the title
            Of United States Marine.

            No, you don’t? You NEVER heard the hymn of the United States Marine Corps (1917)?

            Well, Here you have it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4-vOQLtFgo

          • Ron r

            I don’t know where you get your habit for insults, but you have no proof that this man wanted a prostitute. One thing is for sure is that Jefferson took advantage of one of his slaves and that constitutes rape. So the envoy wanted to buy favors from women and Jefferson took his pleasure. Yes Alondy I do know that because he went to war against them did not make him an Islamaphobe. So what’s your point Shrew??? THE FACT REMAINS THAT Jefferson owned a KORAN.

          • Bob666

            Yo Ron,
            You should know by now that Porkenstein does not deal with facts or proof-she deals with propaganda. She knows that if she continues to post her “facts” (you-tube videos) time after time, those who want to believe them- will believe them.

            That is how a propagandist operates. since facts are very inconvenient and seldom back her warped agenda.

          • Ronr

            You are right Bob. I guess we are lucky she did not work with Gerbles in the 30s and 40s (her calling) or that she does not work for Fox/Fixed “News”.

          • Bob666

            Yo Karma,
            She does speak Russian (so she claims) and also claims to have been educated there. Oh yes, she absolutely Joneins over Putin.

            Draw your own conclusions.

          • macgyver1948

            Hi Bob666…. That attempt of repeating what you want others to believe, even or especially when it is not true, is so often a used technique even by those who do not believe what they say, Sadly, I think she believes all she says…LOL…

          • TML

            Ron r says, “One thing is for sure is that Jefferson took advantage of one of his slaves and that constitute rape.”

            That’s mere scandal, not ‘for sure’, and actually has more evidence against, then for such a scandal… even in the midst of a DNA analysis in 1998 of claimed descendants revealing a match. Jefferson’s grandson,Thomas Jefferson Randolph, his granddaughter, and his former overseer believed Hemings’s children had been sired by Jefferson’s nephews, Peter Samuel Carr. And two of Hemings’s children were born after the initial scandal broke in 1802 (by journalist James T. Callender, after being refused an appointment to a Postmaster position by Jefferson), while Jefferson was still president. If he did have a relationship there isn’t any direct evidence, and seems entirely propaganda at the time from Jefferson’s opponents.

          • Ron r

            Thanks for the response but your theory was also debunked years ago, and Jefferson’ brother had nothing to do with Henning. The 1998 study neither confirmed or disputed Heming’s decedents claim but did establish that Jefferson (Thomas ) had most likely fathered Eston Heming. In fact: The committee commissioned by the Jefferson based their decision that the Heming children were fathered by Jefferson’s younger brother (2011) This conclusion was not to my understanding based on DNA and says most likely. Thanks for the information.

          • TML

            No, it hasn’t been debunked. It shows that the source of the accusations was a journalist that had no possible connection to such knowledge, and had motive to create false rumors, while the people closest to Jefferson (who would not have approved of such a relationship) believed the father of Sally’s children to be Jefferson’s nephew.

            And the 1998 ‘study’ was the DNA analysis, which provides virtually no evidence to objectively suggest that Jefferson himself ‘likely’ was the father.

            In 2001, the Scholars Commission Report of the Thomas Jefferson Heritage Society stated, “The question of whether Thomas Jefferson fathered one or more children by his slave Sally Hemings is an issue about which honorable people can and do disagree. After a careful review of all of the evidence, the commission agrees unanimously that the allegation is by no means proven; and we find it regrettable that public confusion about the 1998 DNA testing and other evidence has misled many people.”

          • Ron r

            A commission who worked for the Jefferson foundation, come on. we will just agree to disagree.

          • TML

            You can disagree, but you’d be ignoring the evidence, or lack thereof. Nonetheless, you retracted your initial claim “One thing is for sure…” to “most likely”, so i guess that’s good enough for now.

          • Ronr

            No what I did was paraphrase the author of the article . Who also said there was no proof that his uncle or brother fathered the children but that Jefferson was Estons father. Of course this did not set well with his family. Thanks again for the information.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Ronny: “you have no proof that this man wanted a prostitute.”
            – I do NOT, but congressional library does.

            Ronny: “One thing is for sure is that Jefferson took advantage of one of his slaves and that constitute rape.”

            Oh, my. Yeah, the left-winger PROPAGANDA: he “raped” Sally Hemings, and she liked so much that she did not stop to come to the Jefferson’s bed again and again.

            The TRUTH: is after Jefferson became a widower, he had an intimate relationship with Sally Hemings, resulting in his fathering her six children, who lived in Jefferson’s house until his death. According to Sally’s son Madison Hemings, Sally and Jefferson began a sexual relationship in Paris and she became pregnant and AGREED to return to the United States as his concubine. And Jefferson was
            the father of all (four) Hemings’ children. (“Memoirs of
            Madison Hemings”. Frontline. Public Broadcasting Service – WGBH Boston)

            My habit is: “Answer a fool ACCORDING to HIS folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes.” – King Solomon (Proverbs)

            My point is simple: you are a stupid liberal rat! Whose propagandistic lies are debunked each time.

            STOP LIE and DISTORT the FACTS.

          • Ron r

            Dear Alondy, who need proof to debunk your Reich wing wacko crap. You are a damn Birther, you have no credibility. Stop the wackiness Alondy, And if he had a relationship with a slave and one who may have been his wife’s half sister she had no say in the matter so it was rape genius. Stop your Lies and distortion of l history.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Ronny: “Dear Alondy, who need proof to debunk your
            Reich wing wacko crap.”

            Dear Ronny, the left-wing fascists’ crap has to be debunked.

            Ronny, stop your mad zaniness. You almost convinced me of your “credibility”.

            Why you put your nose in the Jefferson’s relation? Who cares she was sister or half-sister. She was happy by his side.

          • Ronr

            Alondy , dear Alondy, I don’t know why I would think you would feel sympathy for a rape victim.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Dear Ronny, you did not prove she was raped.
            Was mommy of your leader raped? No. She had her relashins CONSENSUALLY. Just look how happy she was: http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/10/naughty-obama-mamma.html

          • Ronr

            You’re funny if not just stupidly hateful.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Dear Ronny, WHERE is the news?

            The liberals’ twisted two-cell brain calls the TRUTH a HATE and KNOWLEGE – stupidity.

            Nice try. Try again.

            Please, do not bother me with your facts-twisted stupidity, but raise your voice against war monger barry.

            Be a good boy and do not forget to put on your big-boy pants.
            Good morning and have a good day. Smile and be happy.

          • macgyver1948

            Alondra…Oh wow, I do not believe I am agreeing with you but guys such as Washington and Jefferson did have relationships with slaves. Frustrations and stress had to be dealt with in their ways I guess.

          • Ronr

            Yeah , you and me, but Alondy wants to put her spin on it. It is an historical fact that slave owners had sexual contact with slaves. If you think they were under stress , how about being a slave? That was no day at the fair either. Unless the slave could say , damn I’m having a bad day I think I’ll have sex with one of masters daughters.

          • macgyver1948

            Ronr… Yeah, I know, she and I have had conflict since she showed she would not tolerate differing views and I think she is ignoring me now which is fine. I do not need anyone to agree with me, I only want o exchange ideas and learn about other people, but it seems many on here do have a need to be agreed with, in both politics and religion, or they resort to insults and name calling. Some belief in Americanism and liberty they have, huh? There is another word for how they respond to differing views and it is slipping my mind for the moment. Oh well, I’ll ask my 5-year-old grandson, he may know, LOL.

            I believe several of the Founders who had slaves had “special” friendships with their slaves. Washington may have forgotten his wooden teeth by a special” friends bedside a time or two.

            You mention the stress a slave would have. Can you imagine the extra stress a slave would have if their master wants to be intimate? Yeah, a stress reliever would be for a slave to have sex with a masters
            daughters, LOL….

          • Robert Messmer

            Try “Dealings with Mellimelli, Colorful Envoy from Tunis. although the more polite term the envoy used was concubines. Now what Jefferson did would be considered rape but not then. This is not to excuse his actions simply trying to put them into proper context. Actually I think that we (US society) are really hung up about sex and should get over it. And actually no, what Jefferson owned was a two volume British translation.

          • Ronr

            My intent was not to make Jefferson out to be this brutal master who deflowered every female slave above the age of 13., but only to remind my fascist fiend Alondra the S. Heming could in most cases not say no to Jeffersons wants. He held the power over her. The fact that Jefferson even had slaves should devalue his place in history. I’m not here to do that and everything I have read about the man says he was a man of honor. As to the Koran . If I have the Hebrew version of the Old Testament translated to Arabic do I not still have a copy of the Old Testament ?? Thank you for your enlightening information.

          • macgyver1948

            Hi Alandra… Jefferson found a lot of uses for having a copy of the Koran. He was at some point concerned with how slavery was expanding, perhaps from the Middle East, through Europe and from Africa in areas we diplomatically had interest in at the time. He was able to understand the Arabs better with Koran study and he felt he could better deal with them. But he also wanted to know how to apply Islam to Freedom Of Religion here in the US. In his study he found more reason for he and many of the Founders to not allow any religion to dominate law making here but that is another story. Jefferson had more than one reason for having a Koran.

        • TML

          Alondra says, “But you have to do some research, Ronny, to find out WHY Jefferson acquired the helly book quran.”

          I assume you’re referring to the idea that Jefferson obtained the Quran simply as a means of better understanding his enemy during the Barbary War 1801-1805 (which was politically driven war for Jefferson; not a war against their religion), but this idea that he obtained it to learn about his enemy is debunked by scholar Frank Dewey (author of the definitive study of Thomas Jefferson’s legal career) when he discovered records that Jefferson obtained his copy of the Quran through the Virgina Gazzette in 1765.

          It would be entirely within Jefferson’s character to have a genuine interest in reading various religious books in effort to simply understand, which is the flip-side of fear and hate…. just as he ‘re-wrote’ his own ‘bible’ which omitted the various fanciful supernatural references and internal contradictions.

          We also see no writing of Jefferson ‘bashing’ the religion of Islam, as many of his Christian counterparts did, and in fact, the only things Jefferson does say about Muslims as a religion concerns the freedom of religion. We all know Jefferson was not partial to organized religion of any sort, but believed in tolerance of all regions as he argued that the 1st Amendment was to include “within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan [Muslims], the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.”

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Jefferson owned a Koran to study the enemy of Christianity and mankind. Seems you do not know Jefferson’s history that well. Here are some articles about Obama bin Laden, Syria, and that RINO John McCain.
        http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/08/barack-obamas-brother-malik-obama-directly-tied-to-muslim-brotherhood-lois-lerner-helped-provide-him-tax-exempt-status/
        http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/08/u-s-cruise-missiles-preparing-strike-syria-without-congressional-approval/
        http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/08/rep-thomas-massie-missile-strikes-syria-act-war-congress-can-declare-war-obama/
        http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/08/john-mccains-head-has-been-up-barack-obamas-assets-long-hes-gone-color-blind-syria/
        http://www.politichicks.tv/column/obamas-threats-war-syria-threats-u-s/
        There are just so many, but I’ll spread them out throughout the thread. Looks like your ilk wants us in another war. One we don’t belong in. Remember, there are Russian warships, troops, and Iranians in Syria. I don’t think they are going to let us kill their troops and sailors, do you? Obama is a fool and should be treated that way. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
        “Let us renew our trust in God and go forward without fear.”
        Abraham Lincoln
        16th President of the U.S.

  • Sarah417

    All this war nonsense can be ended abruptly by just BRINGING BACK THE DRAFT WITH NO EXCEPTIONS EXCEPT AGE. These politicians will not put their children or grandchildren in harm’s way,to have their limbs blown off or worse, anymore than they will accept Obamacare. Tough times are not words that any of these uber-wealthy mentally ill psychos know anything about.

    All of them are a bunch of snivilling children. They have shamed America and made us a laughing stock. I hope we get through this but only with God’s help.

    • dan

      their youngun’s would be exempt or in a safe and cushy job…
      they always are

  • scott miller

    The iraq war did not work out because GWB1 told the iraq people to rise up and left them high and dry to be slaughtered.

    One in a long list of broken promises in the middle east, And it was a shock that people over there did not see us as liberators? color me suprised.

    Our government on one hand props up tyrants and dictators, one the other hand we quietly push for human rights free elections, and on the third hand we cannot decide if the will of the people or the will of tyrants works out better for us. One the fourth hand anything we say to anyone in the middle east rings about as hollow as a rotted log.

    Years of meddling in the middle east has cause nothing but distrust and anger at us. Years of backing monsters has turned many of the common people against us.

    • Ron r

      Amen!!!!

      • macgyver1948

        Scott miller… I agree, we can never abandon our allies and with Israel being our best friend and a fellow democracy in the area we very much cannot ignore them when they need help.

        You say “I would personally start off by offering our heartfelt sorrow of the actions of our nation at times in the affairs of the middle east, be if for the sake of the cold war, or political expediency. Our nation acted recklessly, abandoning its allies after offering aid,”

        I agree we should be apologizing for whatever we do wrong and for what might confuse the issues by showing we can be as evil as the terrorists. How would we know the differences if we act as the bad guys do? Be in all fairness we very much need to go after any who attack us, such as in 911, or they will consider us weak enough to plan and carry out more such attacks. An example from history was in the early years of Israel’s statehood and even before, when the terrorists did their worst to Israel most of the time Israel did not retaliate. Well, that was until years later and there were the
        invasions/wars by neighbors and Israel felt they were obligated to fight back. And they got tired of seeing their loved, kids too, ones being blown up and shoot in the head so they retaliated and even held on to territories that were productive for terrorists against Israel. Israel never wanted to hold onto Golan Heights or the Gaza Strip but it became necessarily for survival.

        You say we need to move forward in “the spirit of as fellow human beings not as religious factions and recognize that people have the right to worship whomever they choose however they choose to, so long as it is not hurting other human beings in the process” I agree, we do need to treat the world as though they had the liberty of “Freedom Of Religion” as we do but there is something we need to remember.
        Religious extremists, many of the jihadists, will not see it the
        same way so as we go forward to them with an olive branch they will stab us in the head if we do not become them religiously or stop them first. Remember many of the terrorists will not negotiate with us or Israel but instead all they will except is the elimination of Israel from the planet and maybe US too. How do you deal and negotiate with that kind of evil? I say it is the moderates and the real God-loving Muslims who we have a chance with.

        We talked about the “Demons of our own making already”. We are just very good at training and supporting our future enemies it seems. It took a thing such as WW3 to do the opposite and make friends of our enemies in that war but we have forgotten how to do that I think. But as long as we can control enemies such as the surviving Nazis, Neo or otherwise any who fight to limit or eliminate liberty and freedom, we have a chance.

        I am not so sure all out HOT war is in China’s best interest. They seem to be going for the economic war and win instead and they are catching up big time. They might pass us very soon. They are buying up so much of the world’s gold and they seem to be inviting in so many American and some other western manufactures and retailers who are building up their economy for them. I know Walmart is a big help to them and there are others. Walmart is actually helping build up there military but that is another story but from Walmart’s point of
        view as long as it helps them who cares. American manufacturers are exporting from China to us. Isn’t that nice especially since we lose here and we receive poorly made products in the process still in so many cases at no reduced price as far as we can tell. I remember while I was working for Walmart at their home office one of the many jokes we heard go around was “since RCA moved its manufacturing to
        China the quality went way down and RCA now means “Really Crappy Appliances”.

        You go on to say “there can be good wars there can be just wars”. I will never agree there will be good wars but there are justifiable wars. You are right, defeating Hitler was a must for the world’s sake as well as ours. Nazism as well as Communism must be fought against for the sake of humanity and so should those who practice any form of religious wars or Jihad when they attack us. Hitler was insane, or at least a sociopath/psychotic, for one but his philosophical and
        political agendas were all anti God and anti humanity. WW2 for us was justifies even those we took our sweet time joining in but for the attempts of several of our politicians who kept us out for the sake of numerous American corporations who were doing profitable business with Hitler.

        Now Syria. Yep, all forms of chemical and bio weapons much be destroyed before any more use by anyone. I just hope if we the US goes in there alone we do not get caught up in either a chem/bio defense or a potential aftermath political lashing from our allies let alone from our not so friendly wordily neighbors after the war with them. I just wonder why else we might be going in there and if those reasons are for humane purposes or just political or for expansion/control of some kind. The latter reasons would make our warring on them
        unjustified for me. Yep, there are “too many unknown unknowns to make any informed deduction of who did exactly what over over there and why they did it”, as you say so we seem to want to get up front and personal by going there.

        It is difficult to tell if an attack of a chemical or a bio nature would be by accident and maybe the Pentagon feels the only ways to tell is in person. Well, they could justify it that way. I remember from the news, before 911 aerial views showed several nations there was a pretty big convey, later proven to be Russian, going from Iraq to Syria. Now where did the WMDs from Iraq go before the immoral bush jr invasion of Iraq? LOL

    • macgyver1948

      scott miller… sr bush set the pace for many Arabs, especially in Iraq, to mistrust all bushs and to be weary of Americans because of his
      betrayal and lies to them. Over 100,000 Iranians were murdered by
      Saddam because they trusted sr bush in the first Iraq war. The
      immoral bush Jr invasion of Iraq after 911 was inevitable as a
      mistrusted loss.

      You are so right when you say “Our government on one hand props up tyrants and dictators,…” but we did that with many others in
      other countries and we helped Al-Querida when they were fighting The Russians in Afghanistan. I do not yet understand why we might be going into Syria except to back up the threat of a year ago. Today
      Great Britain voted to not join us in Syria.

      I just want to say to the question “Is Obama Trying To Purposely
      Start World War III?” is absurd and the Root of an insane idea.
      We cannot prosper from a WW3, or win, and I bet Obama is not thinking of that at all. We seem to be turning into invaders/conquerors since sometime after WW2, our last justified war involvement. We have to stop being the fuzz for the world but we should come to the aid of real friends.

      You end with “Years of meddling in the middle east has cause nothing but distrust and anger at us. Years of backing monsters has turned many of the common people against us”.

      You are so correct with that as being specific toward the US but it
      didn’t start with us. It goes so far back perhaps before the Crusades
      but mainly when the Crusaders invaded the Middle East with their
      Jihad they helped put great life into the hate for us. I read that so
      many Arabs are still today telling their kids the horror stories from
      the Crusaders’ invasions which help keep the hate for Westerners
      alive. They have feared westerners for a very long time.

      By the way, Jihad is just a word for holy war and it really doesn’t
      matter what language or culture the term “holy war” comes from or
      who uses it. Invading and murdering others for not joining their
      cause is so devoid of morality. The Crusaders were guilty of it and
      so will be anyone today.

      • scott miller

        We need a clean slate and fresh start with the arab nations, but not at the expense of the sovereignty of israel.

        I would personally start off by offering our heartfelt sorrow of the actions of our nation at times in the affairs of the middle east, be if for the sake of the cold war, or political expediency. Our nation acted recklessly, abandoning its allies after offering aid,

        We need to move forward in the spirit as fellow human beings not as religious factions and recognize that people have the right to worship whomever they choose however they choose to, so long as it is not hurting other human beings in the process.

        Most of the demons that have come home to roost this decade have been demons of our own making. From al caida, to saddam, to qudafi, all aided along by the cia for decades., hell one of a very paranoid persuation might think this is some overarching plot to strip the nation of its freedoms by the cia through all these seeds it planted.

        china is the thing that will start a world war, and they are most likely to get involved in tiawan or south korea via n korea possibly. china is not building such a massive army to just show off on parade days. i doubt they would wade into syria over this, not like china is big on human rights to have any moral outrage of anybody gassing a bunch of people or w/e went down over there.

        there can be good wars there can be just wars, stopping hitler comes to mind, but we need an even standard if we are going to at will topple governments or start picking sides and claiming human rights and what not then why are we not topplig the dynasties in so any other arab nations that are ruled with an iron fist.

        The only concern for me is IF chemical or bio weapons were used that we work through he UN to disarm syria of those weapons, asap. and not allow either side to use them.

        As it stands common sense says why would syria use those to nuke a suburb? maybe it was a lab accident? if thats the case whos lab was it the governments lab, another factions? the rebels themselves?

        too many unknown unknowns to make any informed deduction of who did exactly what over over there and why they did it. on the face of it it is sure more advantageous for the rebels if we rush in there guns blazing, for the government they have everything to loose and nothing to gain by it. i have severe doubts about the validity of the situation as a whole.

  • WTS/JAY

    OBAMA PROMISES SYRIA STRIKE WILL HAVE NO OBJECTIVE

    WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Attempting to quell criticism of his proposal for a limited military mission in Syria, President Obama floated a more modest strategy today, saying that any U.S. action in Syria would have “no objective whatsoever.”

    “Let me be clear,” he said in an interview on CNN. “Our goal will not be to effect régime change, or alter the balance of power in Syria, or bring the civil war there to an end. We will simply do something random there for one or two days and then leave.”

    “I want to reassure our allies and the people of Syria that what we are about to undertake, if we undertake it at all, will have no purpose or goal,” he said. “This is consistent with U.S. foreign policy of the past.”

    While Mr. Obama clearly hoped that his proposal of a brief and pointless intervention in Syria would reassure the international community, it immediately drew howls of protest from U.S. allies, who argued that two days was too open-ended a timeframe for such a mission.

    That criticism led White House spokesman Jay Carney to brief reporters later in the day, arguing that the President was willing to scale down the U.S. mission to “twenty-four hours, thirty-six tops.”

    “It may take twenty-four hours, but it could also take twelve,” Mr. Carney said.

    “Maybe we get in there, take a look around, and get out right away. But however long it takes, one thing will not change: this mission will have no point. The President is resolute about that.”

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/08/obama-promises-syria-strike-will-have-no-objective.html?mbid=nl_Borowitz+%28160%29

  • Karma

    I totally agree with you that America has no business going to war with Syria, especially since the Intel seems to be coming from Isreal- they seem to have strong interest in urging America to get into a war-sometimes it seems like any war. However, I have a question for you- the Republicans, aren’t they supposed to be contributing to creating jobs to? I thought that people are elected to office to the things that are good for the country- seems to be the Num all around the world. And as an addition to this question , have they created any jobs since 2009? if not, why not- they are getting paid aren’t they. Or why are they getting paid if they are not making any worthwhile contribution?
    And how can any country be considered “first world” if they are not providing their people with health care (all the people). Even some third world countries do so-Cuba!

    • Vigilant

      “…the Republicans, aren’t they supposed to be contributing to creating jobs to [sic] ?”

      Government has no business creating jobs (or providing health care). Or don’t leftist Muslims like you read the Constitution?

      • Karma

        Just so you know buddy, I am of a muslim, but I live n Canada where elected officials do contribute to creating jobs and oh yes health care and the last time I checked it’s working vey well. And another thing the minimum wage is $10.25. Side note-Ted Cruise was born here

        • Vigilant

          I knew already, “buddy,” that you were “of [sic] a muslim.”

          We here in the US do not live under or abide by the Canadian government, so save your breath. Discussions here concern the Constitution of the United States, of which you are abysmally ignorant yet you feel compelled to judge. I assure you, sonny, I know more about the US Constitution than you will ever know.

          Side note- The name is spelled “Cruz.”

          • Karma

            Are you saying that everyone who lives in Canada is muslim< And here I thought at Canada is mainly white. Silly me! Do you even know where Canada is?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            He didn’t say that. Show me where he said every Canadian is a Muslim. I know I wear glasses, but my eyes aren’t that bad. Here is an article about how Obama bin Laden is acting the ways of imperialism.
            http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/ben-shapiro/president-obamas-imperialistic-adventurism
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”
            Margaret Sanger
            American Eugenist

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Then just stay there. In fact, just go home. You bring nothing to the table but nonsense anyway. Here is an article about you “messiah” in the White House.
          http://www.dailycaller.com/2013/08/27/its-personal-obamas-carried-120000-student-loan-debt-for-decades/
          Here is one about what people in Colorado are doing about the unconstitutional grabbing of firearms.
          http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2013/08/28/colorados-grassroots-revolt-against-gungrabbers-n1677294/page/full
          BTW, the woman that wrote this column is many times more intelligent than you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
          “I invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States and also those who are at sea and those…in foreign lands to set apart and observe…Thursday…as a day of thanksgiving and prayer to our beneficient Father who dwelleth in the Heavens.”
          Abraham Lincoln
          16th President of the U.S.
          October 03, 1863

          • Karma

            Since when is a one-sided point of view intelligence? As the bible says, where there is no vision the people perish! and it’s is never nonsense to point out the systems that work

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            It also says, “When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.”
            Proverbs 29:2
            “When rulers are wicked, their people are too.”
            Proverbs 29:16
            “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves and pray and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.”
            2 Chronicles 7:14
            The first 2 refer to our current government and the ones in it, while the last one deals with our country as a whole. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “It is rather for us to be dedicated to the great task remaining before us…that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom.”
            Abraham Lincoln
            16th President of the U.S.

          • Vigilant

            “Since when is a one-sided point of view intelligence?”

            That’s precisely the point we’ve been trying to get across to you, idiot.

          • macgyver1948

            Hi samurai… Why are you throwing the “messiah” word around again when it doesn’t apply. I do not know any on the Left who call Obama “messiah” or God but I hear many on the Right refer to O that way on the Left’s behalf. Fantasy, how ever you write it, must be one of your mantras.

            Father, as Lincoln was referring to is God, not anyone who walked the Earth.

          • Robert Messmer

            Which I am sure was exactly his point-that Abraham Lincoln was encouraging all citizens to say thanks and pray to God.

          • macgyver1948

            Robert Messmer… I bet Abe was indeed “encouraging all citizens to say thanks and pray to God” as you say, which is what I said. :-)

        • WTS/JAY

          10.25 per hour? That might explain why almost 1 million Canadians rely on food-banks, and 1,679,800 Canadians are on welfare. Elected officials creating jobs? The private sector creates jobs, not elected officials. Elected officials don’t create jobs, they destroy jobs, ie,,,NAFTA/Free-trade? The industrial-base in Canada has been decimated.

        • Robert Messmer

          Could you please put the $10.25 into context. For instance how much does a pack of Marlboro reds cost? What is the cost of a gallon (Imperial or US) of gas? The reason I ask is because I used to be in retail and from time to time old-timers would reminisce about buying a particular item for a nickel. At least until I pointed out that when the item sold for a nickel, they were working 12 hours a day 6 days a week for 50 cents a day and happy to have a job. So just saying minimum wage is $10.25 isn’t enough, we need context. Side note-Ted Cruise proves that some Canadians are smarter than others.

    • dan

      Cuba…have you been there ? Or VietNam ? Or North Korea ?
      the Soviets had health care…and the Chinese…and the Brits.
      Pretty much sucks whereever you try socialism and central planning.
      We have twice as many jobs…they’re just part time to avoid Barrycare…
      just as manufacturing went off-shore to avoid red tape and ridiculous government interference.

    • independent thinker

      Since the democrats in the Senate and obama stop any Republican bill that might encourage job creation in its tracks they have no chance of creating any. However as vigilant said it is not governments place to create jobs. I would add other than by removing or revising rules, regulations, and laws that are written in such a way as to stifle job creation by the private sector.

      • Karma

        So the Republicans passed a jobs bill? really?. I’ll give you this though, the second part of your argument makes sense, which means that you are thinking

        • Robert Messmer

          No what he said was that since the Democrats control congress and the White House the Republicans (through no fault of their own) can’t pass squat.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    BREAKING NEWS

    U.K.’s Cameron loses Syria war vote
    LONDON — British Prime Minister David Cameron has lost a vote endorsing military action against Syria by 13 votes, a stunning defeat for a government which had seemed days away from joining the U.S. in possible attacks to punish Bashar Assad’s regime over an alleged chemical weapons attack.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/29/uks-cameron-loses-preliminary-vote-syria/

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Well said and I’m glad he lost the vote. The ones that want war in Syria are no other than the libturds and progturds that are supported by Obama bin Laden’s friends, the Bildrbergs and possibly the Muslim Brotherhood. BTW, Obama bin Laden’s relative is part of that organization and Obama bin Laden gave him tax-exempt status. Here is an article showing that Obama bin Laden may want to start WW3.
      http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/2013/08/28/obama-on-the-verge-of-starting-ww3/
      Here is one showing how Obama bin Laden got slapped down by the courts again.
      http://www.dcclothesline.com/2013/08/28/obama-gets-slapped-by-the-courts-again/?fb_source=pubv1
      Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.”
      John 11:25

      • Robert Messmer

        Could you redo the clothesline link? Says page not found.

  • ireAmerica

    The followers of Mohammed willingly submit themselves to their “deity” of HATRED. Because of this free will choice, the “spirit” of Islam inhabits the “faithful”, giving them the character of ravening wolves.

    These packs of BAD DOGS, the “faithful” of Islam, kill and rape and terrorize everywhere they go – by command of their “deity”.

    Only powerful tyrants can keep choke-chains on the “faithful” of Islam, to allow the rest of the citizens to live in relative peace.

    President Valerie Jarrett knows all of this, and directs her errand-boy Barack Obama to arm the wildest BAD DOGS, and set them FREE. The only rational “play” in the middle-east now would be to destroy Iran, (which the Russians would back) but then again that is President Valerie’s home.

  • ireAmerica

    The followers of Mohammed willingly submit themselves to their “deity” of HATRED. Because of this free will choice, the “spirit” of Islam inhabits the “faithful”, giving them the character of ravening wolves.

    These packs of BAD DOGS, the “faithful” of Islam, kill and rape and terrorize everywhere they go – by command of their “deity”.

    Only powerful tyrants can keep choke-chains on the “faithful” of Islam, to allow the rest of the citizens to live in relative peace.

    President Valerie Jarrett knows all of this, and directs her errand-boy Barack Obama to arm the wildest BAD DOGS, and set them FREE. The only rational “play” in the middle-east now would be to destroy Iran, (which the Russians would back) but then again that is President Valerie’s home.

  • Dave

    First let me say we have no business doing anything in Syria. But does WAR not remember what conservative George W Bush did when he used 9/11 for his blunder in Iraq?
    The conservatives in this country on the behest of their glorious leader labeled anyone who disagreed with Bush’s decision making skill as being a “traitor”
    Lets fast forward to today… Many conservatives here and in the media were demanding Obama take a hard stand on Syria. What did these people think the option would be if words fail as they often do in this part of the world? These conservatives want war…And now that Obama is even hinting at military action… these same conservative are now accusing Obama of wanting to go to war to get people focused on some kind of other evil agenda Obama has.
    Liberals do not support any military action in Syria. The ones pushing for military action have been on the GOP side and the conservative side. They will push this country to war because the military industrial complex pays their bills and they have shown that they will do anything to lessen Obama’s popularity and effectiveness for their own political gain.
    If Obama is dumb enough to engage in Syria. We will lose everyone in this country.

    • Robert Messmer

      Have to love the way some people claim it is President Bush’s blunder in Iraq completely ignoring the fact that the so-called blunder had been authorized by congress, including nearly 60% of the Democrat Senators. Also that there had been almost a decade of diplomatic effort in trying to effect changes in Iraq—all such efforts coming to naught. Where is the decade of diplomatic effort in Syria?

    • StudleyDoRight

      God, Dave, are you dense! Conservatives DON’T want our intervention! But you don’t understand the difference between Conservatives, such as Ted Cruz, and Establishment Republicans, such as John McCain! You must get your talking points from Chris Matthews and Rachel “madcow” Maddow and all of MSNBC!

    • StudleyDoRight

      God, Dave, are you dense! Conservatives DON’T want our intervention! But you don’t understand the difference between Conservatives, such as Ted Cruz, and Establishment Republicans, such as John McCain! You must get your talking points from Chris Matthews and Rachel “madcow” Maddow and all of MSNBC!

  • independent thinker

    Just saw a poll in which 89% of the people said no intervention is Syria and 95% said Obama had no right to intervene without Congress’ approval.

  • Proud_to_be_American

    Duh, yeah!

  • terri

    Obama is time out office…No war over again.. Support to save in U.S. Citizens..

  • Mike S.

    “Our Mideast interventions cause more hatred, more terrorism, more death.”

    As I have said many times, Ron Paul was / is right, too bad more voters didn’t feel that way back in 2012. Or maybe they did but the Republican leadership didn’t!

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Here is a truthful article about how our Christian founding fathers thought differently than Obama bin Laden and our current government. Thank goodness they did.
    http://www.patriotupdate.com/articles/bradlee-dean-good-thing-forefathers-didnt-think-that-way/
    FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
    “He who shall introduce into public affairs the principles of a primitive Christianity, will change the face of the world.”
    Benjamin Franklin
    Founding father
    Devout Christian

    • Yeesh…

      http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/john_remsburg/six_historic_americans/chapter_4.html

      “Some volumes against Deism fell into my hands. They were said to
      be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle’s Lecture. It happened
      that they produced on me an effect precisely the reverse of what was
      intended by the writers; for the arguments of the Deists, which were
      cited in order to be refuted, appealed to me much more forcibly than the
      refutation itself. In a word, I soon became a thorough Deist”

      Benjamin Franklin

      Founding Father

      DEIST

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        SSDD from you people that do not understand our history.
        “Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped. That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental principles in all sound RELIGION, and I regard them as you do in whatever sect I meet with them. As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and HIS RELIGION (CHRISTIANITY), as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see.”
        Benjamin Franklin
        Founding father
        Devout Christian
        In his creed he says he believes in God, Jesus, and Christianity. Ergo, he is a Christian. Please try again with something that cannot be proven. It is easy to defeat your ilk these days. I guess it is true that your ilk are less intelligent and are getting fewer in numbers. Thank goodness. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
        “There are no atheists in fox holes.”
        Samurai

        • Jeff

          “As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and HIS RELIGION (CHRISTIANITY), as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see.”
          And you read that as Ben Franklin declaring himself a Christian like you? Where is the connection between the Creator he describes earlier and Jesus, whom he refers to as essentially a moral philosopher? Ben Franklin said he liked “Christian morality,” but which version? The version that says to treat the stranger well, the version that says feed the poor, or the Republican version that says get a job or die?
          If Ben Franklin were a Holy Roller or a real believer in Jesus’ divinity, he’d have said so. He’d have talked about Jesus’ laying down his life to redeem your sins, etc., etc. That he didn’t speaks volumes.
          If you want to know about who Jesus really was, read scholarly works like the recent book by Reza Aslan. Jesus was not a unique figure. He opposed the Roman Empire, and he preached a philosophy not at all inconsistent with the existing Bible.

          • StudleyDoRight

            You seem to contradict yourself: “preached a philosophy not at all inconsistent with the existing Bible”. THERE WAS NO BIBLE IN HIS DAY!!! His Father’s purpose was the basis for the Bible, with the main feature being how Jesus would counteract, by his sacrifice of his life, the rebellious actions of Adam and Eve. You seem to profess to know everything about Christianity, but nothing about the Bible. And, why, pray tell, would I care a wit about what some book written by someone with a name indicating they might be of Islamic roots??

          • Jeff

            Au contraire, I don’t profess to know much of anything about Christianity. Likewise, I don’t know much about music, but I can tell when the 9th Symphony is played badly. And when I hear right wingers profess hatred and bigotry in the name of Jesus, well, even ignorance has its limits. BTW, the Bible, aka the Old Testament, was written during the Babylonian Exile, circa 500 B.C.

        • Yeesh…

          Let me finish that quote for you: “but I apprehend it has received various corrupting Changes, and I have
          with most of the present Dissenters in England, some Doubts as to his Divinity.”

          http://www.beliefnet.com/resourcelib/docs/44/Letter_from_Benjamin_Franklin_to_Ezra_Stiles_1.html

          So Ben Franklin believed in Christian morals, but he also believed the church was corrupt and doubted the divinity of Jesus Christ. Way to try to take it out of context, though.

          http://www.adherents.com/people/pf/Benjamin_Franklin.html

          You seem to think the veracity of your argument is determined by how many times you blindly repeat it.

          • StudleyDoRight

            Talking about the Church of England, which seemed to hold the King in some sort of religious awe…..

    • Dave

      The founders thought slavery was ok and that women had not place in any decision making in Gov too… Theocrat…. But as a conservative, your thinking is right in line with that type of racism and sexism.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Argument to ridicule. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

    • Jeff

      Anything even close to intelligent that you might have to say is completely subsumed by your idiotic name calling. No one with any intelligence, not even a conservative, would ready beyond your first “Obama bin Laden.”

      • StudleyDoRight

        Well, I read beyond whatever you dither about! He’s right: our Muslim “prez” has an agenda. Actually, he’s way too stupid to have one himself, he just knows how to follow orders. Probably from George Soros, someone a hit squad should visit….

        • Jeff

          They say ignorance is bliss. You should be positively euphoric.

    • Ronr

      Yeah all Obama has to do is own and rape slaves and he will fit your Christian profile of the founders. You amaze me in that you seem to be in denial of the crimes Christians like you have committed against humanity. Namely , native Americans . You write scripture and quote the founders , yet you use that rise to wrap your hatred of others in the flag of Christianity.
      In reality you are no better than the people you cast you cloud of hatred on. In fact you are a domestic terrorist , Christian jihadist and just plain old fool. Hypocrite!!!!!

      • StudleyDoRight

        Did you ever learn the English language? Christianity, like most religions, have had some bad examples. But I try to look far enough back in time to find a era that Islam wasn’t the hateful, violent sham of a religion that it is now. It has always treated women worse than the “slaves” you cite. And, just a side note, the slaves that were brought to this Country and sold were originally sold into slavery by the savages of the continent they were from: their fellow men of the same color. Get righteous on someone else’s dime, Commie!

  • Robe

    So Obama is about to start a war in order to get even with WAR for not remembering him? Wow, what a concept.

  • WTS/JAY

    Senator Obama on Military attacks…(from the Boston Globe)

    “The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.” December 20, 2007…

  • WILBER

    OBAMA WANTS A WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST THAT WILL DESTROY ISRAEL. HE HATES ISRAEL AND WANTS SOME RELIEF FROM DOMESTIC PROBLEMS. WE WILL BE A THIRD WORLD POWER UNDER HIM. BYE, BYE AMERICA.

  • SETXPATRIOT

    Why doesn’t anyone see the bigger picture? The Federal Reserve is the puppeteer behind this grand scheme, and has been since the early 1900s! Is it coincidental that Ocommie wants to see Syria and Iran fall? Is it coincidence that these Arab countries are the only ones without a Rothschild Central Bank??? I think not.

    • Jeff

      Are you and Wilber the same person or just from the same psych ward?

  • Hap Harris

    If there were any age in the history of the world where people were intrinsically
    stupid it is today. Today nobody has any
    brains and what they might call brains they carefully do not use. They believe in all the stupidity that comes with the modern education system and the modern world is in an age of idiots. We are in the age of the dumbest people since the creation of the world.
    We have more in common today with wolf packs than with humans of the past.

    • the dumb one

      so what makes you smarter than thou?

      • the dumb one

        wolf packs rely on each other. we dont we rely on government