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Is Obama Really In Over His Head?

May 3, 2011 by  

Is Obama Really In Over His Head?

I wish Republicans would stop saying that President Barack Obama is not serious about the budget deficit.  It’s simply not true.  He’s very serious about it.  In fact, he is determined to increase it to the point that it brings about a total collapse of the United States economy.

Destroying capitalism in the U.S. is a “dream” that Obama got from his now-deceased father — the alcoholic polygamist and communist from Kenya who once touted the idea of a 100 percent income tax.

The conventional wisdom of the conservative media is that “Obama is in over his head.”  Whenever I hear this — which is pretty much every day — I wonder what planet these guys are living on.  Do they read?  Have they researched his background at all?  Are they not just a bit suspicious about his never-ending appointments of anti-capitalist radicals to high positions in government?

Do they believe that the nonstop lies, the childish, nasty smear tactics and the smart-aleck lectures this make-believe President engages in day in and day out are simply business-as-usual political theater?  When I say smart aleck, I’m talking about a guy who:

  • Calls raising taxes on the rich a “spending cut.”
  • Talks about the “extension of the Bush tax cuts” as though the money people are allowed to keep really belongs to the government.
  • Wants to appoint a commission to investigate oil and gas speculators when he knows full well that the main reason for escalating oil prices is the decline of the dollar — caused by his own class-warfare spending agenda! 
  • Says that “we have to stop playing politics with the deficit” even as he applies ever-larger doses of politic gamesmanship to the subject.
  • Continues to cavalierly state that, thanks to his “stimulus plan,” the United States “escaped a bullet” and is “now recovering.” 

… ad nauseam.

As to the infamous recovery that the media also continually alludes to, forget about it.  It’s an illusion.  We are, and have been for decades, in an invisible depression made possible by monetary inflation, easy credit and artificially high wages.

It’s time to get real and admit that Obama is not just another ultra-liberal President cut in the mold of Bill Clinton.  It’s time to stop tiptoeing and pretending.  It’s time to say it:  We have a communist in the White House!  Say it out loud.  Say it clearly.  Say it with conviction:  communist

It’s just a matter of getting over that little truth-resistor hump in your brain that thinks of America in terms of what it was in bygone days.  I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but that America no longer exists.

The major question of our time is:  Will the bad guys win and build a new America where people will be prevented from creating wealth and where freedom will be virtually nonexistent, or will the good guys prevail and rebuild an America that is based on our founding principles, but with harsh safeguards put in place to prevent collectivism, in any form, from ever again gaining a foothold?

The United States is hanging onto the edge of a financial cliff by its economic fingernails.  And Obama and the progressives in Congress know that all it will take to loosen that fingernail grip is to have more and more debt piled on top of it.

Obama’s objective from day one has been to punish those who are prosperous and transfer their wealth to those he deems to be the “exploited” class.  As he has made it clear throughout his adult life, it’s all about “fairness” to him.  And he is so close to pushing the U.S. over the financial edge and into the abyss that he can taste it.  He’s come too far, too fast, to allow anyone slow him down now.

Which is why he will be the first President in U.S. history to spend 95 percent of his time during the last year and a half of his first term in office campaigning for his re-election.  And he’s smart to do it.  After all, he accomplished things in his first two years in office that no one thought was possible in such a short period of time.

As a result, the fundamental transformation of America has already happened.  It’s just a matter of cementing it permanently into place.  And to do that, Obama needs another four years.

The reason so many people — not just conservative media types and Republicans, but conservative and independent voters as well — are living in gaga land when it comes to Obama’s true intentions is because of a phenomenon known as “normalcy bias,” a mental state that causes people to not take seriously the possibility of a crisis that is outside their normal, day-to-day experience.

Most people don’t see an Obamaclysm as a serious threat, because they have never experienced an angry, anti-American President whose life’s dream is to destroy the Western way of life.  Thus, they downplay it in their minds and refuse to see it as a crisis.

The normalcy bias has taken the lives of millions of people throughout history and wreaked misery on millions more, which is why it is up to each and every one of us to awaken as many people as possible from their normalcy-bias slumber before the 2012 election.  Four more years of a communist in the White House will be quite sufficient to permanently cement the fundamental transformation of America into place.

Warning:  Do not lose sight of the fact that if Republicans make the mistake of selecting a candidate who is nothing more than a progressive in conservative’s clothing, even if he defeats Chairman Obama, America will still continue to move toward a collectivist, totalitarian government — just at a slower pace and thus far less noticeable to millions of walking-dead voters.

It’s important to give Obama the boot, but it’s just as important to replace him with a true conservative—or, better yet, a true libertarian-centered conservative.  If Republicans are foolish enough to select as their Presidential candidate another “compassionate conservative” who insists that “in government, you never get everything you want,” we’re all going to end up getting the government they deserve.

Keep this in mind when the hoopla starts over the new crop of Republicans candidates, lest a John McCain think-alike sneaks in again — in which case we’d probably be better off to just let BHO go ahead and finish off the job quickly.

–Robert Ringer

Robert Ringer

is a New York Times #1 bestselling author and host of the highly acclaimed Liberty Education Interview Series, which features interviews with top political, economic, and social leaders. He has appeared on Fox News, Fox Business, The Tonight Show, Today, The Dennis Miller Show, Good Morning America, The Lars Larson Show, ABC Nightline, and The Charlie Rose Show, and has been the subject of feature articles in such major publications as Time, People, The Wall Street Journal, Fortune, Barron's, and The New York Times. To sign up for his one-of-a-kind, pro-liberty e-letter, A Voice of Sanity, Click Here.

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  • DaveH

    So true, Robert. Now brace yourself for the attack of the Liberals.

    • TIME

      Dave,
      Would that be the MONKEYS your speaking of?

      You know the ones the ones that eat at the media plate of Stupid then drink from the bottle of stupid.
      Then have the bloody nerve to tell anyone who differs from their bent mindless little brains twisted format as having something wrong with them?
      Odd how that works, the glee in their post as they condone let alone rave about how special Barry is, and he needs more TIME to get it right. Yet they then beat up GWB who is really no differant than Barry yet with that special lacking gray matter they figure that somehow there is a differance and they see it.

      Strange indeed “IDIOTS will be MONKEYS, and MONKEYS will be IDIOTS,” its a mixed up world where IDIOT MONKEYS not only run the show in all respects but then tell everyone how abused they are, all within the same breath.

      Its truly a testment to how well the “Porpaganda machine” has worked. They think they are being OPEN minded when in fact they are little more than NAZIS with closed little minds.
      Watch out you know how MONKEYS act they will lure you next to their cage with them cute little expressions, then toss a wad of Crap at you when your within range.
      Standard method of Operations for the BRAIN DEAD MONKEYS.

      • Edward Chandler

        A good description of the monkey in OUR white house

        • denniso

          You three and Ringer all sound like you’ve got no intellect at all.
          Obama’s a communist? What claptrap! How is it that a communist would bail out the largest financial institutions and banks in the country,allowing them to pay out million dollar bonuses w/ tax payer money? I won’t call you morons,but that’s exactly what you sound like. The monkey comment is also a not so subtle racist remark.
          DaveH,you should be ashamed to be allied w/ these nitwits and liars.

          Robert Ringer is as ridiculous as the dumbest extremists on this site,and he should be ashamed as well…what kind of ‘journalist’ makes categorical statements that are so transparently lies? They don’t.

          • DaveH

            I said brace for the attack of the Liberals, and you attack Dumniso and say I lack intellect? I’d said I was right on target. You make yourself look more foolish by the day. But then, I welcome that. How else can we illustrate to people what a bunch of animals you Liberals are?

          • DaveH

            I am so glad to have you guys on our board. Now people can see what really comes from the elitist class that wants to run our lives. You spent much of the last two years ragging on Bush for his role in wasting the nation’s money and his role in involving us in military actions across the globe, and then you hypocrites say nothing at all about Obama’s same (and worse) actions.
            Good grief, how do you guys live with yourselves?

          • denniso

            Show some guts Dave and explain how and why a communist would bail out the elites of the financial industry w/ taxpayer money,rather than do what a Hugo Chavez might have done…hand money over directly to the people. Once again you express outrage at an ‘attack’ on you and your cohorts,but respond w/ nothing of substance. Let’s see some intellect from you.

          • libertytrain

            DaveH you called it and it was proven correct. Rather quickly.

          • Doc Franklin

            Communism, “the workers paradise”, the wonderful system where everyone shares equally (in the dearth, oppression and tyranny) is a two tiered system. Us lowlifes get the “blessings of equality” the elitists such as the atavistic “human” in the oval office, banksters and industrialists, due to their pre-eminent omniscience, are delegated (by themselves) to rule and make sure all of us serfs share the pain equally. There “denniso”, there’s your answer to your “enlightened” question about why O would bail out the banks, etc. Look at the historical facts of all communist regimes, the answer to your rhetorical question is there in plain sight. This is a clear cut case of do as I dictate, not as I do! WTFU. PS, philosophy degrees are worthless, burn your diploma.

          • Doc Franklin

            “denniso”
            I failed to mention that when you are studying the history of the communist regimes of the world, pay special attention to what they do with the useful idiots, your future lies therein.

          • Skyknight

            It does not take a rocket scientest to figure out that the bail outs that our Communist President has done was carefully calculated to Nationalize key pieces of our ecomomy. Obama still has his henchman controling GMC. I will never buy another General Motors product and will buy Toyota before I support his endevor with my dollars.

          • TIME

            Doc,

            Explaining what a useful idiot is to DO is akin to making gold bullion out of what we leave behind in the pot daily.
            Saddly DO is a MONKEY TOOL.

            I always thought that people had like ablilitys to use thier gray matter if given enough intel. ((I must admit I was wrong,))

            Humans though they all have HAR 1 in thier base code’s we can no longer apply the 60 / 40 logic pattern.

            As in 60 % will do nothing, 40% is broken down to 20% – 20%.
            I now disagree with that format I strongly feel that given the facts its now a 65% – 30% – 5%
            {So how sad is it that only 5% will do the right thing and use deep brain tissue.} — while 65% sit there and do nothing; BUT HOPE –

            Thus clearly displaying that “MONKEY TOOLS” far out number those that use deep brain tissue to think with. Thats really sad.

          • DaveH

            Did I say anything about Communists, Dumniso? You are unbelievable. But thanks for posting, so others can see that.

          • Cheryl

            denniso,
            You need to pull your head out of the sand. Obama is moving this country toward a communist state. He bailed out the financial institutions, banks, auto companies, etc. because that is his way of government taking over the industries. He continues to go around Congress in order to enforce his policies, many of which the American people disapprove of. He and his administration are moving closer to the point in which they will be directing you and me as to what we can do, when we can do it, where we can do it, how we can do it, what we can eat, when we can sleep, when we can shower, how much water we can use, how much electricity we can use, what we can wear, etc.

          • Carlucci

            This article is fantastic. I’m sending it to my email list. People had better realize that it is time to wake up and get over their “normalcy bias”.

            It is so obvious that B.O. is a communist who thinks he’s some kind of movie star. He farts around golfing, appearing on Oprah, going on yet another vacation, while his rhetoric and policies declare his intent to destroy America as we know it. Porter Stansberry’s video a few months back explained what is going on. And then there is this one explaining “quantitative easing”:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k

            I cannot believe the libtards from the looney left continue to defend B.O. They are obviously communists, too, and don’t even realize it!

          • JeffH

            DaveH, some things are so predictable aren’t they…like the call to show some intellect. Like you said, predictable.

          • Dayna

            denniso

            While you are on line look up MARXISM that is what is being practiced here. No one is crazy or stupid, just open your eyes and look. They bailed out the banks Citicorp) and Wall Street (Jamie Dimon), and the GM (unions), these are the people who put him in office.

            He is giving Brazil 2Billion for gas while we are are without jobs here. This is not the only example, this is redistribution.

            The czars he has running the country are the radicals from the sixties Lander is a communist, Becker is also a Socialist, we are surrounded. Even Easter was replaced with EARTH DAY.

            Look at the facts not what the media tells you, you can find it all on line.

          • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

            dumbniso, you just proved DaveH’s point ,(offensive words removed)

          • Kate8

            denniso – When you are finished reading up on communism, marxism and socialism, study corporatism.

            The global elites don’t care what path leads to their world corporatist domination, whether it be by way of communism or democracy. In their eyes, all roads lead to the NWO.

          • JC

            denniso says:

            May 3, 2011 at 9:29 am

            You three and Ringer all sound like you’ve got no intellect at all.
            Obama’s a communist? What claptrap! How is it that a communist would bail out the largest financial institutions and banks in the country,allowing them to pay out million dollar bonuses w/ tax payer money?
            _________________________________________________________________

            To get control of those companies, dipstick!
            That’s how communism works…government CONTROLS all financial workings…no private industry…
            ahh, never mind, I might as well be talking to a rock…

          • http://msn.com Sweetie

            Do you not pay attention to the ‘ News ‘???

            As Robert said and I quote

            The United States is hanging onto the edge of a ‘ Financial Cliff ‘

            As in ” COLLAPSING “

          • Bruce D.

            Denniso, Obama forced some banks to take the TARP money under threat of duress which shows that he is able to control the corporations. Most would like to believe that corporations control government. Politicians force business to have lobbiest because they know government can enact regulation that will ruin any ability to compete in the free market. I think Obama is a Fascist and may be heading in the direction Communism personally. In that way he can contol business rather than own it. Under Fascism people have the illusion of property rights and have a tendancy to produce more. Under Communism there is no illusion and people just stop producing at an effecient level. Poles show 60% of the people realize Obama is taking us in the wrong direction. Certainly many who do not pay taxes, those that receive money from government, and those that prefer group benefits over personal freedom like redistribution and Obama. I would be one of those that is not so quick to label Obama a Communist. He is a Fascist who posssibly is laying the groundwork for Communism. But that would be dumb as Castro has come to understand. People need some illusion of property rights and freedom to be productive.

          • Kate8

            Bruce D – It all depends on the size of the corporations.

            The world’s wealthiest elite comprise a corporatist cabal, which encompass other corporations and include governments, including the US. (The US government is, in fact, a corporation.) Their holdings are vast: military industrial comples, most all of the media, Hollywood, education, the medical system/BigPharma, banking, major retail…and a good deal more. Even most churches bow to them.

            Do some research here and you will find that this is the ultimate plan: world corporatism, a central control headquarters to which all nations are subject.

            Communism, fascism, whatever…are just a means to an end.

          • Bruce D.

            Corporations do not enact legislation. Only politicians can do that.

          • denniso

            BruceD, I tried to read your comment,but stopped at the ‘Obama is a Fascist’. How can I read the rest of your comment when you say something that silly?
            How can corporations control legislation? Pretty simple! When a candidate needs millions and even tens of millions to win an election because of the increasing amounts of money in the system,she/he has to tap into individual as well as corporate donors for the money. The people/corporations who give the big money and support expect and demand things from the candidate,or the money stops. It’s a direct quid pro quo that essentially gives over a portion of the writing and passing of laws to big donors…simple. That’s why we are getting worse as far as real democracy goes,because there is more and more financial pressure on politicians,and their strings are being pulled
            increasingly by large corporations.

          • denniso

            So sad Dayna,earth day ocurred over Easter weekend! I guess you don’t know that it isn’t always the case? Easter moves around on the calendar and this yr it happened to be during the same weekend as earthday. Don’t fret though,the Christians stole the holliday from the pagan celebration of spring.

            JC,in case you don’t keep up w/ the news,which seems obvious,most of the money lent to the banks has been paid back to the gov’t w/ interest. Obama doesn’t own anything in the companies,and the gov’t holds very little stock in any of them now. I guess your little communist takeover scheme will have to wait for another lie.

            And to my pal DaveH…seriously,could you try to actually SAY something? If you think my response above to the claptrap article was a major attack,then I guess you’ve got some pretty thin skin. Funny,but it seems the ones who spout the most insults and nonsense can take a mild retort the least. Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

          • Bruce D.

            Denniso, I stoppd reading your comment when you said you stopped reading mine. What’s the point? You want to comment on something you admit you did not even read. That is rediculous in itself.

          • Pete

            Denniso,

            Lenin had his backers … Obama wants that campaign support ! Where else is he going to get a billion dollars for the 2012 Prez campaign ?

            You should read some of Mr. Ringer’s books. He is one of my favorite authors …

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Spawned of communists. Raised by communists, Mentored by communists. And started his political life in the house of a communist terrorist.

            He bailed out those large institutions with government money. That means the government owns them so that justifies the huge bonuses as they are essentially “GUVMENT” workers.

          • denniso

            BruceD…I obviously read enough of your comment to make a response. If I were to call myself Jesus Christ,would you have any trouble taking me seriously? You and others call Obama Fascist,communist,Marxist,etc,and you lose all credibility. Either you don’t know the definition of the word Fascist,or you have no credibility on any political issue. Simple.

          • denniso

            I have to believe that Cheryl is joking,otherwise her comment is a perfect example of extremism and hyperbole.

        • FreedomFighter

          Did the Queen of England really send 2.5 tons of bananas to Obama at the White House, after he sent back Churchill and gave the gift of an Ipod with his speeches on it?

          If so “God Save the Queen”.

          America will suffer civil war if Obama wins election – its the only credable response to communist takeover of America.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • Jovianus

            Nice response. “If Americans vote and we don’t like their decision, we’ll have a civil war”

            What was that you were saying about a dictatorship? And you dare call yourself a “patriot”? For what country?

          • DaveH

            How large does a gang of thieves need to be to become legitimate? The answer is no amount of people will make them anything but thieves.

          • DaveH

            That was for you, Jovianus. Now give me a few minutes to get my rubber boots on before you reply (please).

          • JC

            Jovianus says:

            May 3, 2011 at 11:05 am

            Nice response. “If Americans vote and we don’t like their decision, we’ll have a civil war”
            ____________________________________________________________________

            The vote can no longer be trusted.
            Which is beside the point anyway. We’re a sovereign Republic not a Democracy. Every patriot knows that.

          • denniso

            Freedomfighter is either a racist or just dumb and repeating racist crap. Which is it? And your name,is it meant to say that you are free of an intellect?

        • Bruce D.

          Corporations have no vote. Only politicians vote and individuals vote for the politician. It would be a mistake to assign responsibility to anyone other than politicians and voters. The TeaParty has recently taken an interest in who the canidate is. By doing so they are making a statement that they are not victims. Many on this site claim to be victims and feel they have no influence with the vote, e-mails, and calls to politicians. They claim that corporations have full control and they are too weak to do anything about it. But really there is always something you can do. Freedom loving people never really disappear from the face of the Earth. There is an ebb and flow. They are pushed back and then they make a push forward. Whoever said “eternal vigilence” is needed pretty much got it right.

        • mark

          Very RACIST, Black people do not lke to be referred as monkeys!

      • http://kvci.blogspot.com George Boston Rhynes

        Thanks! We appreciate Americans that reflects their true heart felt beliefs. I only wish more Ammericans, patriots and christians would express their true fellings as you have done. Please keep up the great. We all need a better understanding of what is within the hearts of our fellow citizens in 2011. Again, keep up the great work so we can stay in tune with the music being played in our world! God Bless everybody equally. Great Job!

        GEORGE BOSTON RHYNES
        Retired United States Military Veteran of the Vietname Era
        A concerned citizens and brother of all humanity
        Valdosta, Georgia

      • http://msn.com Sweetie

        I Love It, I Love It…

        Perfect decription of ‘ Obummer ‘. LOL!!!

        • Christin

          Sweetie,
          Agreed! Love it, too.

          What a great article Robert Ringer. You’ve just said so beautifully and boldly what we’ve been trying to all along. Your article was refreshingly clear and to the point. I wish your message could be sent to everyone’s e-mail box… I think I will forward it to those in my address book. Thanks.

      • Crystal

        Thank you Robert for writing an excellent depiction of what Obama is doing. I was wondering when a true story would finally be written. Unfortunately, some people don’t want to face the truth. I remember a man by the name of Hitler who fooled millions of people. Seems to be happening again. Funny how History has a way of repeating itself. Unless you have the sense to know the “repeating” is planned! With an Agenda attached to it, hence NWO. Communism on a global scale.

    • http://reformdc.com Richard

      If we are not willing to take the time and do the work ourselves for real change then we will forever be amusing pawns for them to play with. The founders of this nation have stated this in various texts.

      There are three Organizations that each focuses on one the top three cancers that are destroying the American culture. We need to stand together and turn Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness into laser beams.

      This site (reformdc.com) has these organizations listed as the top three ads. All three are free to join. All three require you to do very little work and may ask for a lot of work, like run for office. This is the only way that ideals reach a physically successful goal.

      An active role in government means more than news reports and voting. Like-minded people work together in order to attend meetings and see for themselves what there are teaching the children.

      If your thoughts include the words like can’t and won’t then keep on singing to choirs and hurling insults. Don’t need to ask “how is that working for you”, I can tell by the insults.

      • DaveH

        Or we could register and vote for the only Political Party that understands true Freedom, that is the natural right to control your own bodies and property.
        For Individual Freedom, Personal Responsibility, Limited Government, Free Markets, and Peace:
        http://libertarianparty.org/

    • Tom S

      AMEN!

    • Dave

      Honestly, I have never heard such a bunch of lunatic crazy hogwash in my entire life, and I’ve heard some crazy ones, especially here. Why do you people have to continue to say that Obama is trying to destroy this country. You even go as far as to attack the notion that he’s not qualified to say that he hates America. Do you even want to try to seem legitimate? Do you really think that half of this country, including the most educated part, would follow someone who hated this country? Stop drinking the kool aid. Turn off Fox and just use some common sense.

      • GeorgeE

        Dave,

        I do find it amazing that so many (supposedly) intelligent and educated liberals are willing to succumb to and promote socialist ideas. I can only think that the answer must be either 1) they aren’t as intelligent and educated as they say they are, or 2) they hate the Republican Party or Conservatives so much they will accept any philosophy regardless how ridiculous it is, or 3) they are accepting monetary benefits from the current government which they don’t want to lose, or 4) they are sharing in political power enjoyed by the elites over the mass of the population. I’m sure there could be other reasons but I can’t think of any that actually make the liberals look intelligent.

        • mark

          What is your definiton of Socialism? In my opinion, every US citizen has a natural right to be feed, clothed, have shelter, have a good education and be provided health care. If the capitalistic society can not provide the jobs or the wages for US citizens to provide these services for himself then the government must provide it for the people. DON’T BE SO GREEDY AND RACIST

    • Frank

      It does not take a rocket scientist to see through people like Obama. Like so many politicians, while campaigning they always promise you whatever you want to hear just to get your votes. Many of them knowing full well that they may never be able the meet those promises. Once in power they can run their own agenda while forgetting about all those Americans they shook hands with. They soon forget the hopeful faces they saw and learn how to say all the right words at the podium, always making promises but rarely coming through on them unless they bring benefit to themselves. I never use to think like this when I was younger, but now I am older and have experienced the hearing and then seeing the results. Where have the true American leaders gone? What would George Washington say about all of this. What would John Adams do? How would Alexander Hamilton feel about all of this. Obama must not be re-elected!

  • DaveH

    Thanks to Obama, we have become a criminal nation. Launching attacks on Sovereign nations who have posed no threat whatever to the United States. And now they kill 3 grandchildren. I’m ashamed of what our country has become:
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-violence-20110502,0,4826785.story

    • http://aol Bill

      You forgot, it was Bush that killed over 50,000 innocent Iraqi’s for WMD that didn’t exsist.

      • Nancy

        When are you peope going to get off this “WMD that didn’t exsist”? There was intelligence all over the world saying that they did exist. And for all we know, they may exist. President Bush did what he believed was right with the information he was given. Presidents have to make those decisions. Grow up and try thinking for yourself.

        • 45caliber

          I’m tired of that old refrain too. I know I had some friends over there who saw some old missiles they had dug up somewhere. And I know that there were entire convoys of trucks hauling them to Syria less than two weeks before we invaded Iraq.

          • denniso

            Oh gee,isn’t that too bad that you are tired of that old refrain! So what,does that mean that the truth can’t be brought up because you people are tired of it?

            There were NO WMD and for you to repeat the tired old statement that someone saw convoys or old missiles laying around is just plain stupid. Can you imagine that if there was anything at all to that asinine comment, that the Bush administration would have used it to deflect the justified criticism? NO Repub leaders repeat what you geniuses claim,that the WMD were trucked out to Syria or another country…give it up! Bush and you faithful supporters are responsible for the biggest foreign policy screwup in our history,abd responsible for the deaths of probably 200,000 innocents,as well as the virtual destruction of an entire country.

            I wonder if DaveH feels any outrage and shame for what his country did in Iraq? Bush/Cheny are war criminals and should be on trial at the world court.

          • DaveH

            I feel outrage and shame, Dumniso, that the US is involved in military actions around the world, and I don’t change that stance just because the HNIC changes.

          • Thamera

            Denniso, you attack and run, ask for answer to your question(s) which have been succinctly answered and have no response. It would appear that people like you and Jovi are not really interested in truth. Your love affair with the commander-n-chief is all consuming….and pathetic.

          • Kate8

            45 – I listened to an interview last night with a military ops guy, and he said that what was found was a cave FULL of plutonium canisters, another FULL of yellowcake…

            He was saying that the Islamic radicals have all the WMDs they’ll ever need, and that they already have devices planted in cities around the US.

            Funny thing is, if O had been the one who’d invaded Iraq, the libs would be all over themselves believing they found WMDs.

          • Jovianus

            Kate8….you don’t think ol’ Bush and Cheney would have broadcast that around the world had the plutonium and yellow cake been found?

            Jeesh ….

          • Kate8

            Jov – Who knows their reasons for keeping it quiet. Maybe it wasn’t time for us to know. Maybe it was a matter of “national security”. It’s all a farce, anyway.

            The soldiers said it was there, and I’d believe them any day over the weasels in DC.

        • Jovianus

          Excuse me? Intel from “all over the world”? I guess that’s why Bush and his cabal refused to direct the UN Inspectors to any sites…because ‘we knew where they were”. Yet…we didn’t think it important to guide the UN Inspection team to any place ‘we knew” …verifying to the world they existed?

          Jeesh

          • DaveH

            Jovianus,
            Do you really think you Liberals have any credility on this board? To earn that, your morality would have to be consistent regardless of who our current leader is. Your’s isn’t.
            You, Dumniso, and most of the other board Liberals are as consistent as the climate.

          • Dennis Patrick

            Rummy: “We know exactly where they are.”

          • Jovianus

            “The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.”
            - G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

            “I want justice…There’s an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, ‘Wanted: Dead or Alive,’”
            - G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

            “I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.”
            - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

            “I am truly not that concerned about him.”
            - G.W. Bush, responding to a question about bin Laden’s whereabouts,
            3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

            “Tonight I can report to the American people and the world that the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, Justice has been done” President Barack Obama 05/01/11

          • Gregg Jackson

            Bush’s comment: “I am truly not that concerned about him.” That sickened me at the time and still does.

          • DaveH

            Duh, is it march of 2008 yet?
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bneEocEBGqI

      • ValDM

        And how many people is the O-boy killing in Libya???? How many will he kill in the U.S. when his deathcare bill is finally implemented???? You’ve got a strange view of reality, pilgrim.

        • karolyn

          He is not killing anyone in Libya. Our other allies are taking care of that since they have the most to gain.

          • DaveH

            Sure, Karolyn, whatever you say.

          • Cathy

            Why are we even there in the first place? If it were Bush, you liberals would be screaming and yelling. But since it’s BO, nothing is said. The drooling over this jerk amazes me. Do ANY of you EVER look at his background?

            Birds of a feather flock together.

            Sheesh…

          • 45caliber

            Karolyn:

            Right. Those US jets are only firing missiles at empty tanks and similar targets. I believe that.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            karolyn,
            Gee, then if we aren’t doing ANY fighting, then he can bring all our troops home from the Libyan theater!!! RIGHT????

      • Doc Franklin

        I’ve heard these fantastical figures a hundred times and even ones of up to 2 million but have never found an ounce of credible evidence to support any of them. I’m sorry, I just don’t buy it and I’m as certain as certain can be that GWB would have not been able to stand something of this nature happening morally. I didn’t agree with GWB on everything that he did, but most of what he did, and certainly what he did to protect this country from terrorists was on target. Please don’t repeat the pap that GWB took down the twin towers, you’d be wasting your breath. I can assure of one thing, GWB truly loved this country, it’s founding and what it stood for. The imposter half-wit in the oval office at present hates everything about America and poses a far greater threat to the survival of this nation than any foreign power or terrorist organization ever will. He should be number one on the terrorist watch list.

        • Ed

          Your speaking, of course, about the “half-wit” who just took down Osama Bin Laden. Check your own wits, why don’t you?
          You and others are screaming about how Obama wants to control this country. Yet when he squared off against the Supreme Court “Citizens United” decision, all you right-wingers were howling “foul.” There was a decision that gave corporations unlimited (and unaccountable) access to the financing of our political campaigns, giving them even more rights than you and I have (our campaign donations are restricted and must be accounted for). Since when do corporations “pledge allegiance to the United States of America”? Their only allegiance is to the “bottom line,” and since many of these corporations are multi-national, with board members from other nations, they have no allegiance to the U.S. of A. And yet you think President Obama is unpatriotic, while he was trying to stand up for your voting power. Justice Roberts should get a lesson in constitutionasl law from the president.
          However, I guess you want GE, Time-Warner, Goldman-Sachs, Bank of America, Verizon, and the pharmaceutical mega-corps deciding how our elections are run, since that’s much easier than getting out the vote of the common people, as ACORN worked so hard to do, before they were sabotaged by a nut in a fancy costume with a good video editing machine.

          • DaveH

            Ed,
            With all the false-flag events taken place throughout our history, do you really believe anything the Government says anymore? I don’t.

            For a real eye-opener, pick up a copy of “Lincoln Unmasked” by Thomas DiLorenzo. We have been propagandized since birth in this country, and there is no more certain proof of that than the information contained in that book. The PTBs are making fools of people on both the left and the right. I guess humankind is doomed to keep on repeating the same mistakes over and over again. Especially when we can’t even learn from History because it is so thoroughly doctored for most students.

          • DaveH

            By the way, did you know that the Pledge of Allegiance was written by an avowed Socialist? A country that touts “individual liberty” but has it’s people pledging allegiance to a flag? The leaders have installed rings in most of our noses:
            http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3296

          • DaveH

            Can you say Baa-a-a-a?

          • Cheryl

            Ed,
            GE, Time Warner, Golden-Sachs, Bank of America, Verizon, pharmaceutical mega-corps, and many other big corporations pretty much do decide how our elections are run. MONEY TALKS.

            As for ACORN, they were truly committing crimes. “The nut in a fancy costume” as you call him, proved that.

          • Jovianus

            Cheryl:

            that ‘nut in a fancy costume’ proved that a good video editing can turn the truth into a lie, and that TPers and the GOP will take the lie and claim it to be true.

          • DaveH

            Interesting that the “liar” brought down ACORN and he is still running free.
            You should have somebody edit your comments, Jovianus, so you don’t look so ignorant.

          • Doc Franklin

            Licking food stamps causes sapien spongiform encephalopathy, ergo, the explanation for your bizarre, off the wall take on things. Start using a wet sponge.

        • http://reysan.org Reynerio

          Mr. Franklyn, you are 100% right. May the Lord bless you.
          Reynerio Sanchez

      • Theonethatknows

        The WMD ended up in Seria when Congress delayed giving the go-ahead to invade Iraq..another Democrat blunder!!!

        • Jovianus

          Uh huh ..and we didn’t have photo’s and recon by air and satellitte watching every move. Seems to me if such did occur…it would be another showing of incompetnece by the GWB cabal.

          • 45caliber

            As I understood it, we didn’t have any satellites there all the time – then. We do now. In fact, despite the hundreds of spy satellites we have in orbit now – over 60% of them are pointed at the US at all times. After all, aren’t we the biggest threat to the US government?

          • DaveH

            We are, 45.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            JoviANUS, Can’t get your point across so your STILL ON the Bash Bush format, why don’t ya give it a rest, your looking a bit weary! :)

          • Carlucci

            Yes indeed. The American people are also another “enemy” of the PTB. It is so obvious.

      • dordor

        Bill,

        Are you so naive as to think that those WMD’s were not moved elsewhere?????

      • DaveH

        No, Bill, I haven’t forgotten. I criticized Bush’s involvement in the middle-east, and I criticized his spending like a drunken sailor, but unlike the morally bankrupt Liberals, I don’t switch my morality depending on who’s in office.

        • Stephan F.

          Nicely stated Dave

      • Nadzieja Batki

        There are no innocents in Iraq. If they tolerate terrorists, they are equally guilty.

      • JeffH

        Billy boy, “WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results”…By late 2003, even the Bush White House’s staunchest defenders were starting to give up on the idea that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

        But WikiLeaks’ newly-released Iraq war documents reveal that for years afterward, U.S. troops continued to find chemical weapons labs, encounter insurgent specialists in toxins and uncover weapons of mass destruction

        Sen. Rick Santorum read from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, which noted: “Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq’s pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist.”

        The Pennsylvania senator, who appeared with Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, outlined six key points contained in the unclassified overview:
        http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50746

      • JC

        Bill says:

        May 3, 2011 at 8:25 am

        You forgot, it was Bush that killed over 50,000 innocent Iraqi’s for WMD that didn’t exsist.
        __________________________________________________________________

        You forgot Clinton bombing the Kurds and JFK invading Viet Nam…
        which is about as relevant as your diversionary comment…

    • Doc Franklin

      It’s much worse than that! He’s destabilized Egypt, Syria, Libya and several smaller countries on the Arabian peninsula which has allowed the radical Muslim Brotherhood to take over the governance of those countries. The brotherhood is sponsored by Iran and extremely radical. their agenda includes the establishment of a worldwide caliphate, the destruction of the USA, Europe, Britain, Israel and every other Western style democracy, the establishment of a radical, murderous and all oppressive theocracy. Their counterpart in the US is CAIR (affiliated with Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Quaida). Because of the MB, tens of thousands of folks who thought they were being freed from dictatorial tyranny are being slaughtered. Obama’s wet dream is to bring this act to the US. If he’s re-elected, I’d invest in burkha, prayer rug and sword manufacturers as well as goat farming.

      • Jovianus

        Destabilized Egypt? by not sending in troops and arms to support a dictator against a popular uprising? And the Mulim Brotherhood is in control there? Seriously?

        Syria being destabilized is a bad thing? I mean…if Syria supports terrorist organization such as Hamas…to me it’s a good ting they’re having problems. Same with libya. You really want to show support for Khaddaffy?

        Yet at the same time you’re ‘warning’ of some connection with Hamas.

        Wow … it really is true. TPers are a few fries short of a Big Mac deal…

        • Doc Franklin

          Oh, that’s right, you think they’re freedom fighters just like our original American revolutionaries. After reading several of your posts today, I hate to get personal, but there is no getting around the fact, you are either 1) Obama in disguise, trying to sell you BS to the educated, 2) Moochelle, trying to drum up some support for her one and only, or 3) some blatantly ignorant marxist ideologue who is cerebrally incapable of being led out of the wilderness of deceit and lies. I’m going to go with 3#, since in reality, it covers all bases!

          • Jovianus

            Freedom Fighters…I haven’t heard anyone try to use that since Reagan tried telling us the Contra killers were actually trying to liberate Nicauragua. About the time he was going around the Constitution as well as dealing with sworn enemies of the US.

            I doubt Doc you would be able to find anything ‘marxist’ in my writings. But that’s OK…I deal with folks who don’t know what they’re talking about every day on this board. You’re just one of the crowd…

      • karolyn

        OMG! Obama has single-handedly destabilized the middle east!

        • karolyn

          Seriously, since when have they been “stabilized?”

    • karolyn

      “We” did not kill those kids. I have heard it was not our forces that did it.

    • libertytrain

      Karolyn, yes we did. obama got us into this Libya thing for reasons most of us do not understand nor agree with, so yes, we did kill those children by agreement with the “allies” UN, whomever. All for Europe’s oil needs.

      • JeffH

        libertytrain, you can be such a spoil sport sometimes. NOT! lol

        • libertytrain

          :)

        • JeffH

          :)

          • JeffH

            IT WORKS…Thanks libertytrain

      • Jovianus

        Hmmm…you don’t understand…yet you don’t agree with it.

        Yep…makes sense.

        Now if you really do not understand why we should take advanatge of a popular uprising to oust Khadaffy, then you are seriously bent in the mental catagory.

        I never thought until coming on this board I would ever, ever in a million years, hear anyone calling themselves “conservative’ actually urging support for Khaddafy. But then…I never thought I’d read about people who call themselves “patriots’ urging a civil war if the American voters decided something they didn’t agree with…

        • JeffH

          Jovi-commie, I see no one on this board supporting “Khadaffy”. Do you even know the makeup of the “Rebel Forces” in Lybia? A resounding NO would be appropriate. You are a sham, blindly supporting the Obama US involvment in this war again Moammar Gadhafi and you can’t even identify who the “Rebel Forces” are?
          As you like to say…jeeesh! You are a warmonger!

          • libertytrain

            JeffH – Jovi mocks yet they embrace getting rid of the libyan ruler NOW after how many years and how many wicked things he has done to us and his own people over these many, many years? Wasn’t it obama who was complicit with Cameron in regards to releasing the Lockerbie bomber —Why, does obama suddenly need to get rid of Gadhafi? Why is the left supporting this move now when it wasn’t ok to go help “the people” when other leaders killed their own people, like Saddam? And when we went into to Iraq the left cried “it’s all about the oil.” You bet I am confused – why wouldn’t I be at the baloney the lib left is supporting. Why is it that now after all these years, we have to get rid of the always-has-been-a-jerk Gadhafi? Nothing’s changed except the European’s fear of losing the sweet oil that Libya produces during or as a result of the civil uprising in Libya. Go figure.

          • libertytrain

            Libya is actually really only about the oil – no one is hiding that fact. It’s out in the open and spoken with pride. “We gots to kill gadhafi cause we needs his oil…”

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, BINGO…European’s fear of losing Lybian oil. See EU, IMF, UN, NATO. Obama’s connection with every single one of them…can you say “GLOBAL” government…

          • libertytrain

            Well JeffH – I can spell O-N-L-Y L-I-B-Y-A H-A-S S-W-E-E-T O-I-L

    • Dave

      Really? After GWB started the Iraq war on lies you think Obama has invaded a sovereign nation? Which nation? If it was a Republican doing the same thing would you defend them? I think you would.

  • Jeremy Leochner

    With respect its one thing to criticize for incompetence, its quite another to accuse of deliberately acting with false or nefarious intentions. Rasing Taxes and investigating gas speculators, especially in the wake of the gulf oil spill, is not communism. Communism involves total government control, not basic government regulation. Obama wants to end the bush taxes and raise the marginal tax rate back to what it was under clinton which would still be a historic low compared to what it was 20 to 40 years ago. My point is President Obamas proposed policies of tax increases and investigations dont seem that unreasonable or radical by any standard. President Obama is not trying to destroy western way of life or fundementally change America. Such things are extreme accusations and require far more than increasing taxes to what they once were and investigating an industry blighted by a terrible incident that caused vast amounts of damage that could have been avoided. You can criticize but such accusations require more to back them up.

    • JUKEBOX

      Evidently, you have not read any of Obama’s writings, or you have not observed any of his associates with dedicated Communist agendas. Anyone who has followed this girly man’s career, and has a modicum of intelligence, would be able to see what his ideologies consist of.

      • Dave

        Again, REALLY? What writings are you talking about? His books? Did YOU read them? Just because he knows people that identify themselves as communists does that make him one? Are you McCarthy? How do any of his actions show him as a communist? Does Glenn Beck do all of your thinking for you? Do you even know what communism is? Do you know what America is? What exactly are you afraid of?

    • Dawn Marie

      wake up Jeremy-nap time is over—-unless you WANT to live in a communist world!

      • Dave

        What even makes you say that Dawn? TURN OFF GLENN BECK!!! He’s taking advantage of your ignorance and gullibility. Also, did you know that if we follow Obama’s “tax increases” that kill the wealthy they would still be lower taxes then they were under Reagan? The far right has spread so much nonsense and propaganda that people don’t realize the Obama’s policies would have been considered right wing 20-30 years ago. People have lost sight of reality and fallen into rhetoric. Read, talk, debate, just TURN OFF FOX!!!!!!!!!!!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Dave,
        Get your head out of your A$$ and take a breath, you’re asphyxiating!!! Oxygen deprivation to the brain is very evident in your rantings!!!

    • Butch

      Every law and presidential edict from this guy since taking office has weakened our country morally, financially, or militarily. Do you not analyze what you read or see on TV. I spend about four hours a day doing research since this guy was elected. I read information from the DSCC and the gay rights groups as well as NRA, Fox News, etc. Unfortunately a lot of people are like you and don’t take time to find the truth, which is why obama has a 42% approval rating (probably higher since the seals killed Bin Laden

      • karolyn

        Wow! Sounds like a job! I can certainly think of a lot more fun things to do than spend all my time researching politics, but then I guess “different strokes for different folks.”

        • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Fred

          MAYBE…this is America’s problem…everyone is having TOO MUCH FUN to NOTICE what is going on in our National Capital! READ! RESEARCH! Find out for yourself! You WILL be overwhelmed at what you should have learned 2 years ago!!!

        • Doc Franklin

          Enjoy your fun and your defiance of reality, it will be short lived. If the electorate gives this marxist another term, your fun will turn in to the tedium of trying to just survive. This man is far too dangerous to not know what he is and where he’s taking us. The oppression, poverty and tyranny will last for centuries.

        • 45caliber

          karolyn:

          I generally spend about 1.5 to 2 hours a day just looking to see what is going on. I’ve found that English newspapers can many times give a better idea of what is going on in Washington that we get through our own media. Wnd.com has a link to many US and world newspapers. Even the Russian one is insteresting because it gives a totally different idea of Russia than our media does. All these papers are written for their own people. Not too long ago the Russian paper had an article wondering if Oblama was deliberately trying to inflame tensions between our countries or was just really stupid. You take your pick.

          But while I don’t normally deliberately pick political topics to research you can find some interesting things in the news that can lead you to research something that can really turn interesting. You should try it.

        • DaveH

          Do you realize, Karolyn, that you sound more like Eddie47d every day?
          Now you’re criticizing somebody for educating himself? I would suggest that if you don’t have something intelligent to say, you go elsewhere, and quit wasting our time.

          • JeffH

            Just the same old hypocrisy from the liberals.

        • Kate8

          karolyn – That’s the difference between folks who know what they are talking about, and those, like yourself, who really have no idea what they are talking about.

          • denniso

            What’s wrong w/ the three of you? Karolyn writes a perfectly civil comment and all you can do is attack her over it? How childish can you get!

      • Doc Franklin

        You’re 100% correct Butch. The problem is that most of the folks who elected this fabricating moron are too busy calling 911 because McDonald’s ran out of chicken nuggets …… enough said!

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          Doc Franklin_____ ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Doc Franklin,
          Or they’re the type that spill coffee in their lap and sue because it was (GASP)Hot!!!!!!

    • Oldpoop

      “Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.” MLK

      • Carlucci

        Yes, and aren’t people like that known as “useful idiots”? Unfortunately we have quite a few on this blog…

    • Mike

      Investigating speculators is nothing more than a smoke screen to make the people think Obama is doing something for us. The same thing happens every time there is a spike in gas prices. Increasing taxes will do nothing to help with recovery. The only way for this country to recover is do stop spending.I still find it hard to believe that this bozo got elected in the first place. I saw what he was before he ever got sworn in. The welfare vote is what got him elected. I wonder how that is working out for them now. They swallowed his lies and they are no better off than they were before.

      • Mick

        Mike, you got that right, people are not even paying attention to what the secretary of the department of energy is advocating, you know damn well that’s what the liberals are shooting for and with the stupidity of their followers, they will make it happen….

        From the horse’s mouth.

        “As director of the Lawrence Berkley National Laboratory, Steven Chu, Obama’s secretary at the Department of Energy, said in an interview that gas taxes should slowly be increased over the next 15 years in order to force people to turn to alternative energy sources.“Somehow, we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to levels in Europe,” said Chu. In Europe, the price for a gallon of gas consistently hovers around $10 a gallon.”

      • 45caliber

        Mike:

        One of the three rules of takeover of the US by the American Communist Party (now merged with the Democrats as the Socialist Democrats) was to take control of the news media and use it to prevent the citizens from finding out what goes on in the legislative halls and the bureacracy of the government while tearing down the image of any natural leader the people might wish to follow. (It makes me think of all the media has said about Palin.)

        (The other two were to destroy the ruggedness of the American people by concentrating their attention on spectator sports and sex and to disarm the population through gun control.)

        • DaveH

          These measures don’t just work for Communist takeovers. They are equally effective for any kind of tyrannical takeovers.

          • 45caliber

            I’m certain that others are using them too.

        • Carlucci

          Not to mention the junk food and pharmaceuticals that are pushed by the media and school districts.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        The problem with not spending is it would destroy our inferstructure, education, roads, bridges, welfare, defense, social security, police, fire department, public libraries, and all manner of services we all use or require at some point.
        Investigations are not smoke screens unless you wish to suspect any and all investigations. What if gas or oil companies are acting incompotently as they admitted and as evidenced by the oil spill. Would you have us do nothing and simply let them do as they please for fear of offending them. Things aren’t always a conspiracy or a smoke screen. Investigations are important and necessary and I feel we must have them. Since he is President what would you have him do.

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          Jeremy Leochner, “inferstructure?”, it’s INFRASTRUCTURE, Liberal nice guy, It was a term created by Karl Marx, in like , read “Das Capital” and his Communist Manifesto, joined by Friedrich Engels and Vladimir Ll’ich Lenin and an avowed student of good old Karl and let’s not forget Trosky and just for fun let me introduce you to the introducer of “Socialist Democrats” Karl Kautsky. Do some serious research and learn to read POLITICAL HISTORY! you “nice” ignorant fools are just useful “Idiot Monkeys”.
          “Racism”, a term that became the most Dangerous Pollutant used and promoted by Gus Hall General Secretary of the Communist Party USA, ( 1959 ), now deceased, his entire volume of writings was in the first place devoted to American White Communist via- a- visa the Progressive movement and the Socialist Democrats. You Liberals America haters need to be Polite and go (offensive word removed) yourselves in any Communist country in the World and learn it by living it.

    • Charles Wilson

      BS.. with capital letter.. Sir, you are full of bovine defecation.

    • Lewis Munn

      I do not see all the improvements you do. I see Social Security, which the government forced on me, now fixed by Obama decree, while he pushes inflation on us by deficit spending in the Trillions, that never quits!.

      My costs are rising rapidly, my income from SS remains fixed. Because of new government regulations, my electric costs are rising 100% a year!!

      How do YOU suggest I eat, and keep my house warm in the winter, and get to the grocery store?

      I am listening! But only hearing Congress voting themselves raises to cover inflation for themselves only! And the older ones are already very rich!

      What is your answer so my grandchildren have someone to visit and talk to, not just a roughed rock out in a field to weep at??

      I’d like to hear a practical solution, please!! Mot the rich clucking their tongues in mock sympathy! And I recall the History of Germany and just printing more and more money!

      • Jovianus

        Lewis:

        Just curious, but what “new government regulations” impacted your area’s electrical generation cost to such a degree?

        • ValDM

          Thanks to the O-boy, we can no longer drill for natural gas. Neither can we use coal. A great deal of the U.S. depends on coal/gas fired electric generation. Would that explain it for you??

          • Jovianus

            Val…now just what new regulations are you talking about?

            BTW…I don’t see any shortages of NG or coal…

          • DaveH

            Are you secretly on our side, Jovianus, and playing devil’s advocate to get us to post information for other ignorant readers? Or are you truly that clueless? Or are you just practicing the political art of repeating things over and over in the hopes that ignorant people will start to believe them (propaganda)?

            http://mises.org/daily/4781/media.aspx?action=author&ID=443

        • DaveH

          Oh, come on, Jovianus, I know you aren’t that ignorant. Government has been meddling in the energy markets for a long, long time.
          Here is just one example:
          http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=347

          • Jovianus

            Mises???? LOL..that’s akin to relying on FOX Mcnews. LOL

          • DaveH

            Jovianus,
            As I’ve said before, try as you might, you have no credibility on this board. And you’ve just proven it with that ignorant comment. People can only truly learn by reading information from all sources with a jaudiced eye and using that education to critically sort the propaganda from the reality.
            You, sir, spout propaganda.
            Mises (Ludwig Von) was a real economist, not the political kind like Keynes (who spent his time building a semi-believable framework of economics intended to mislead the masses and support the corrupt leaders).
            Anyone who spends enough time at mises.org will realize who is doing the lying. You, Jovianus, are one of the liars.

      • Buddy

        There is a very logical solution.

        Visit “http://www.dumpdc.com/” and believe that small is a lot letter than big.

      • DaveH

        Good comment, Lewis. There is little doubt in my mind, that at the very least the leaders are pillaging the savings of the seniors. I suspect it might even be much worse than that — purposeful destruction of the older generation because we are the ones with the most experience about the wrong direction this country is heading.

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          DaveH, absolutely right, I was born in the 50′s, I remember as most do born back then, what it was like to truly be free! Industry & manufacturing flourished, as well as entrepreneurship.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Angel Wannabe,
            1950 here!!! I remember the late 60s very well and I remember my dad never locking his door at night!! Do that where I grew up now and you will lose everything including your life!! I remember summers running from sun-up to sundown and only having to report in at lunch!! We never had to lock our car doors, either and we didn’t have seat belts!! Big Brother has sure had his way!!!

    • http://personalliberty.com frank

      typical liberal response .you refuse to see the light in front of you. What you are saying is exactly what the writer is putting forth. YOU are the type of idiot he is speaking about. Like in appointments (Cass Sunteen,Van jones ,Valerie Jarrett etc.).The list goes on and on and on .WAKE up you lib. dope and smell the coffee!!!!!!!.

    • Ed

      Jeremy: Good try, but let’s face it, your attempt to be rational in the face of the paranoia that informs this article and most of the “me-too” folks responding is really a hopeless effort. They have long ago made up their minds that President Obama cannot possibly be 1) intelligent, 2) patriotic, or 3)honest. Therefore, every hyperventilating attack such as this one get their juices flowing, and rationality simply does not apply. They haven’t a clue as to what constitutes “communism,” and, if the truth be known, most of them don’t have a clue as to what constitutes “democracy.” They all need a refresher course in 9th-grade Civics.

      • ValDM

        Most of us actually DO recognize the O-boy’s intelligence. It’s his actions that don’t exactly jibe with us. He is doing EXACTLY what his handlers tell him to do.

        Additionally, many of us who post here remember what America USED to be, and we’re ubhappy about where we see the end-result of the O-boy’s agenda will culminate. Before you start critisizing, you should probably grow up a bit. Get acquainted with some old-timers and start asking questions.

        • Jovianus

          Ah Yes…what America used to be..before Reagan beagn his assault on the Middle Class and that assault hasn’t let up.

          • DaveH

            Reagan was one of the few who has made a valiant effort to get back our freedom, Ignoramus. Yes, he was overwhelmed even by his own Republicans as well as the Democrats (goes without saying), but he vetoed more spending bills than any other President in my lifetime. What else can any one mortal do?
            It is up to the rest of us lazy butts to get involved and help out the next time we get such a leader (if there is a next time).

          • Jovianus

            And raised taxes on the Middle Class 7 times. Had 3 recessions, and our debt grew from a few hundred billion to the trillions. Ever notice before Reagan, the two wage earner family was an option….after Reagan it became a necessity?

          • DaveH

            You are really just too ignorant, aren’t you Jovianus? Congress, get it, Congress passes the laws. All the president can do (Constitutionally, unlike Obama) is to veto the bills. Reagan did that 78 times in 8 years (that’s about 20 per year). Nine of those vetoes were overridden by Congress. How many bills has Obama vetoed?
            Good grief, if I was as clueless as you, Jovianus, I would be ashamed to post comments.

          • DaveH

            Correction. I meant to say “20 per 2 year period”.

        • Ed

          I can’t, of course, say how old you are. You could be 20 to 30 years my senior for all I know. But I was born during the Great Depression and grew up during WW II. I do remember when women had to resign their teaching jobs to get married. I do remember seeing “whites only” drinking fountains. On my wife’s first teaching job, she was denied the “head of household” extra stipend because she was a woman, even though she was supporting me while going through school. I do remember when Marion Anderson had to stay in a private home while on a concert tour, because no hotel would accommodate her, and this was not in the deep South; it was in Northern Minnesota.
          I do remember WW II rationing and 35 mph speed limits, when folks across the spectrum of society understood something about sacrifice. I remember Victory gardens and collecting War Stamps, which (when we got enough) we could cash in for War Bonds, so that America’s debt was being taken on by average Americans. I remember the GI bill and its transformation of America’s middle class. I remember the first hot lunch programs, when we all could get a healthy square meal at school for a dime. By the way, for those who don’t remember, that was introduced when the WW II draft exposed huge populations of young men who were unqualified to serve because of malnutrition. I also remember how, not too many decades ago, it was common for the average family to live quite comfortably on one income. Now, that’s no longer possible for most families, many of whom have to work two or three jobs to keep their heads above water.
          Though I was too young to remember FDR saying it, his famous pronouncement that “One-third of the nation” was under-nourished, under-housed, and under-employed had an impact that resonated throughout my growing up in this country until “trickle-down” economics revived the economic Darwinism of the 19th century — survival of the fittest, and the hell with everyone else.
          So,ValDM, if you want to talk about remembering the old days, you’ve come to the right person. I have lots of memories, good and bad, but I have never in my 3/4 of a century seen greed dominating our nation’s discourse as it does today. And every time anyone hints that we ought to think about those who are less well off than ourselves, screams of “socialism,” “communism,” or “Fabianism” ring out.
          Folks who are terrified of the “redistribution of wealth” seem to have no idea that for the past thirty years this country has seen a steady redistribution of wealth upward, so that the average Joe has lost buying power, while the Wall Street Fat Cats and Corporate CEOs get obscenely high bonuses — often for failing at their jobs. Did anyone notice the bonuses that BP and Transocean Execs got last year following the Gulf disaster?

          • Jovianus

            Ed…i’m not as senior as you…but I still have my draft card and know exactly where it is. I doubt any of these so-called “patriots” can say the same.

          • Thamera

            How your heart does bleed Ed. Good for you, would you like a brownie button? Ever read The Proper Role of Government Ed? Doubt it.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Wasn’t it the job of your parents to feed you and not expect the government schools to do it. The government nannies just called your parents lazy and stupid. There is not a peep out of you.

          • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

            Ed, I’m “75 Winters” reared in the same era, still have Ration Books, inherited US War Saving Bonds from my parents, still have them in the bank box along with my brother’s ID Tags, What the Hell is your point? Socialism/Communism redistribution of wealth is not the American way. Indians ( Native Americans for you politically correct Monkeys) are living proof of the “Utopia” your Democrats Progressives promised.
            I was taught to stand on my own feet and work smarter and NOT rely on the Government and become a “Hang Around the Fort Indian”. Bring on Self – Enterprise, I’ve made my own small fortune and I grease my own car. You want my wealth?, in my cold dead hands! Obama can kiss my BIA (Big Indian Arse)

          • Doc Franklin

            WIA:
            Loved your post! Don’t take any crap from these Marxist misfits

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            WIA, Hear Hear Buddy, well said!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Jovi,
            so you have your draft card!! I have my DD 214 and know right where IT is!! 8 years 3 months and 26 days. how long did YOU serve??? From your posts, I’m suprised to hear you didn’t BURN your draft card. Or did you get it and head for CANADA????

      • Carlucci

        Democracy??? Democracy = mob rule. America was founded as a Republic, dummy. Congratulations, Ed – ! You are obviously the product of a public school education i.e., another useful idiot.

    • sherriww

      You are quite right,that President Obama is doing the things and making the preposals that are in the best interest of us,the middle class,and of the United States! The stimulus was SUCCESS,and people who say it was not,very simply have NO IDEA what they are talking about,or what all that stimulus money did for very likely some of you reading this.The ONLY thing wrong with it,is the Repubs prevented it from being BIG ENOUGH-to do the job of getting unemployment clear back down. So Blame THEM. Now,To call our President,our Commander-in-Chief NAMES,of any kind,little lone communist-THAT is Beyond the pale,beyond belief,and,as Jan Brewer said-”a Bridge TOO FAR! God Bless the President,our Military and The United States of America! AND,for gods sake-Grow Up people-its WAY past time!

      • Doc Franklin

        Your public education obviously does not serve you or the rest of us well. I’ve heard that you can’t fix stupid, I think they’re right

      • TIME

        Shwieewww,

        Perhaps you should review your post, then take action on your own words. The first step would be to “GROW UP” that would be a major start. Then take off your blinders, remove your mouth and other plugs, clean the ear wax out of your ears, then OPEN your mind.
        Judging by all of your post thus far you have displayed your a total 100% complete brain dead MONKEY.

        And thats being very nice.

      • 45caliber

        sherriww:

        I’m not sure who you consider to be “middle class”. To me, that includes working people who do NOT collect any of the government benefits such as welfare, medical care, etc. My definition of middle class also includes those of us who used to work but are now retired who draw SS (that we paid to cover us when we retired). Therefore ALL of Oblama’s actions and those of his top leaders of the Dems such as Hairy Reid and Nancy Pelousy we see as detrimental to the middle class by increasing taxes, limiting our freedom to pick our own doctors and medical care, and decreasing the value of our money.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You are scary if we are to accept that you believe all that you wrote.

        • Thamera

          sheriewww or whatever she calls herself, is scary, that is why I refuse to respond to her unintelligible dribble anymore.

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        sherriww, Get your head out of you “Como Se LLama” , that your Arse sherriww. Stimulus is the Financial Cocaine! Get out of your Normalcy Bias.

    • mountaineer

      Try reading his damned book! There’s the proof in his own words.
      The same dopes who when confronted with his association with Wright and Ayres claim it’s meaningless.
      You clowns are big on “associations” when its some conservative. Look at the difference in reactions to David Duke who was a Klan member and
      Senator Byrd who was ALSO a Klan member.
      Damned hypocrites.

    • Doc Franklin

      You can’t possibly be that ill-informed to think that the fool who authored this fuel crisis ie Obama, is going to solve it by investigating speculators! What a red herring to feed to the unwashed ….. open your eyes and your mind.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I will try Franklin. However if im not mistaken during the oil spill the CEO of BP admitted to having an incomplete plan and that the accident was caused by unsafe standards and conditions. Also that many of the CEOS of various gas and oil companies presented plans to deal with such issues that were identical to each other and almost the same as BP. Finally that BP safety record up to the spill was not good to say the least. Considering such things I think it logical, reasonable and informed to investigate such companies whose public presentations show a not so clean or innocent rape sheet.

        • JeffH

          Jeremy, please take note that Obama has been in bed with BP for years.
          Loads of BP stock were dumped just prior to the Gulf oil spill. Apparently Obama and BP’s CEO had the “miraculous” foresight to get out of their BP holdings in the nick of time:

          “According to this FSB report the largest seller of BP stock in the weeks before this disaster occurred was the American investment company known as Vanguard who through two of their financial arms (Vanguard Windsor II Investor and Vanguard Windsor Investor) unloaded over 1.5 million shares of BP stock saving their investors hundreds of millions of dollars, chief among them President Obama.”

          “For though little known by the American people, their President Obama holds all of his wealth in just two Vanguard funds Vanguard 500 Index Fund where he has 3 accounts and the Vanguard FTSE Social Index Fund where he holds another 3 accounts, all six of which the FSB estimates will earn Obama nearly $8.5 million a year and which over 10 years will equal the staggering sum of $85 million.”

          “The FSB further estimates in this report that through Obama’s 3 accounts in the Vanguard 500 Index Fund he stands to make another $100 million over the next 10 years as their largest stock holding is in the energy giant Exxon Mobil they believe will eventually acquire BP and all of their assets for what will be essentially a “rock bottom” price and which very predictably BP has hired Goldman Sachs to advise them on.”
          http://sadhillnews.com/2010/07/15/bp-in-bed-with-obama

          • JC

            Rahm Emmanuel moved out of the house in DC that he was living in when the rig went down…because BP was paying for it. Cute…

          • JeffH

            JC, that’s right…thanks for the reminder!

          • Kate8

            JeffH – So Obama’s raking in massive profits while soaking the American people who are already struggling. He’s watching millions pile up in his accounts while telling us to ‘sacrifice’ and tighten our belts.

            He’s telling us we need to pay more for everything, because it’s enabling him to live large.

            Oh, but the liberal set hates the rich. What a bunch of bozos.

          • denniso

            You guys sound more than deluded and paranoid,you’re sounding insane.
            Get a job,volunteer somwhere,pick up trash on your street,walk an old lady across the street,donate to a good charity,build a poor single mother a home…DO SOMETHING RATHER THAN CONTINUALLY BITCH AND MOAN over myths and lies.

        • JeffH

          …and Jeremy, you might want to consider this also…While the BP oil geyser pumps millions of gallons of petroleum into the Gulf of Mexico, President Barack Obama and members of Congress may have to answer for the millions in campaign contributions they’ve taken from BP over the years.

          BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Donations come from a mix of employees and the company’s political action committees – $2.89 million flowed to campaigns from BP-related PACs and about $638,000 came from individuals.

          On top of that, the oil giant has spent millions each year on lobbying — including $15.9 million last year alone — as it has tried to influence energy policy.

          During his time in the Senate and while running for president, Obama received a total of $77,051 from the oil giant and is the top recipient of BP PAC and individual money over the past 20 years, according to financial disclosure records.
          http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/05/05/us-politico-obama-bp-idUSTRE64420A20100505

    • Theonethatknows

      Just referring to Obama as “president” shows your lack of intelligence…he is NOT a legal president!

    • Doc Franklin

      Jeremy, you need to lay off of the delta9THC. This spawn of Satan’s absolutely INTENTIONALLY destroying Western Civilization and culture as well as the Judeo-Christian foundation of our political and economic system. You have about 18 months to wake up and open your eyes!

    • Conservative at Birth

      Where to begin? You obviously are not well read. There are many books and articles that have been written documenting Obama’s political intentions. Yes, he is an avid Marxist. If you would only enighnten yourself rather that remain ignorant, perhaps we could have an intelligent discussion. If you prefer to remain an ostrich, that is your choice.

    • DaveH

      Jeremy,
      How do you think they would take over? Suddenly against a vast majority of resisters? Of course not. It would be a gradual takeover until they felt they had enough momentum to strike with impunity. It does appear that they are almost to that point, by the naivete of our college youth.
      In fact one of the 10 steps to Communist takeover as outlined by Marx was the institution of the Income Tax. Of course, that would also work for any kind of tyrannical takeover.
      And news flash, Jeremy, the speculators are NOT responsible for our high gas prices. The Federal Reserve is (in conjunction with Government’s Market Meddling), with their out-of-control money printing. If you are really as interested in knowledge as you say you are, Jeremy, start reading at Mises.org and get thee some knowledge. Personally, I don’t think you are interested in learning. I suspect that you are yet another political tool (albeit much more polite than Denniso and others) who thinks he is going to convince the rest of us to embrace the bankrupt concepts of Liberalism. You aren’t.
      If you are indeed the naive young person that you appear to be, you’d best get over it soon, because it is your future that is being thrown away by our leaders:
      http://www.usdebtclock.org/

    • Nadzieja Batki

      How do you think communism begins? It usually starts with socialism and progresses to the nth degree.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        But moderate socialism dosen’t lead to communism. Moderation can but dose not ensure extremism.

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          JL, like moderation of “Cancer”?

        • DaveH

          So immorality is okay as long as it’s done in moderation?
          What are those colleges teaching you young dumb kids?

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Caring for us all and wanting everyone to pay a fair share and benifit as well is not immoral. Wanting to pay for education is not immoral. With respect Dave Socialism or at least Social Democracy a form of socialism is not immoral.

          • DaveH

            That’s feel-good equivocation, Jeremy. You don’t care for me or you wouldn’t take my money (through Government). You know nothing of how hard I worked towards the time when I could quit sacrificing my health to make a living. Yet you, through the force of Government, help yourself to the money that would have gone to making my future easier and healthier.
            If you were charitable, you would donate your own money. But when you donate my money, you are an immoral thief, no matter how you try to sugar-coat it. You are no different than a street thug (who, by the way, can also rationalize his theft). Your gang is just bigger.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Dave I can, do, and will pay taxes same as you. I hope to be in the higher income brackets some day and I intend to pay my fair share of taxes. I the services I use are public education, roads and other forms of daily infarstructure. I rely on police to keep me safe and armed forces to defend my country as to d pretty much all of us. I have no desire to steal money from anyone. Thats why I feel we should raise taxes on the top 2% of wage earners to supplement cuts in spending. Best to have both pay instead of richer hurting due to tax increases or poor or rather less rich hurting from cuts alone. Either way someone is hurting. I figure if we have compromise the amount of hurt is lessened for both groups and perhaps we can make up the deficit and get us out of this financial mess so no one has to hurt.

          • DaveH

            I figured it would fall on deaf ears.
            Jeremy says “I have no desire to steal money from anyone. Thats why I feel we should raise taxes on the top 2% of wage earners to supplement cuts in spending”.
            So, as long as Jeremy gets to pick the target group and decide what to do with the money, it’s okay to take somebody else’s money.
            Welcome to our immoral younger generation. Someday, Jeremy, somebody will make that decision with something that you value. You deserve it.

          • DaveH

            Okay, Jeremy, let’s just put aside the fact that you can find endless qualifiers to excuse immorality. Let’s just look at the practical side of this.
            Do you suppose people will work harder or less hard if others can at will help themselves to their rewards?
            Do you suppose the recipients of the other peoples’ money will work harder or less hard?
            It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know the answer to both questions is less hard. That means less productivity, thus fewer goods and fewer services. What happens when there are fewer goods and services? Somebody by necessity gets left out. This is not just idle conjecture like you Liberals like to spout. It has been proven in country after country — the Bigger the Government, the smaller the economy. Oh, for sure, the political class is happy. But the rest of the citizens suffer.
            It seems to me that if you really care about people (I don’t believe it), you would put in some time studying the negative results of Socialism and become a better person.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Dont worry Dave its not up to me. I just have my views. I dont want to attack or steal or do anything immoral.
            As to work I figure since the ideas im thinking of involve increasing the taxes on the top 2% of earners I would see no reason for them to be less inclined to work. Who dosen’t want to have lots of money to have and use. As to those on the bottom no one wants to be dependent on welfare or social security living check to check. Granting them resources helps them to work and find a better life while providing the basic necessities to do it.
            Please dont think me a monster Dave. I have seen documentaries, videos, lectures and heard from many friends who are both in college and much older about the negative effects of socialism. I just believe with a compotent government filled with good people as choosen by the people can deal with such problems better than now. I dont want massive government control. Lord knows when I watch CSPAN I wonder why I defend the people im seeing. But we need a compotent and useful government to keep our Republic running smoothly and safely. I dont wish massive government control and I would never rationalize stealing if I felt in my heart it was stealing and I simply dont see how taxes implemented by an elected body can be called stealing unless you also suggest we get rid of all taxes. I apologize for this but it is who I am.

        • JC

          Robbing Peter to pay Paul is always ok with Paul…and it’s why Peter probably owns a gun. ;)

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Peter and Paul each voting for a politician who can easily be voted out who passes a law that increases Peters taxs to help fund things both he and Paul use and which requires Paul to pay as well does not equate to stealing from Peter to pay Paul. Also as it stands Peter bemoans how much money he has to spend while lobbying to cut from services Paul uses. Right now it could just as easily be said Peter is taking from Paul. If we take from Paul we must take from Peter accordingly. Each must pay a fair share.

          • DaveH

            So, Jeremy, then you believe it would be okay if you elected a politician who promised to kill everybody you don’t like?
            Surely you aren’t so morally bankrupt as to say “yes” to that?
            Then please tell me why it’s different to substitute theft for murder?
            Oh yeah, I forgot to sugar-coat it for you and substitute “caring for others” in place of theft or murder.
            Here, I’ll post this very good treatment elaborating on my point. You’ve seen the link before (but I doubt you read it):
            http://mises.org/daily/4125

            You really ought to think long and hard, Jeremy, about your habit of rationalizing immorality.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Of course not Dave. No decent person would. I dont wish to sugarcoat it. I propose raising taxes. Rasing taxes is official policy imposed by elected representatives. By the argument that taxes are stealing money than any law implemented by our elected representatives could be called wrong or forceful. Taxes are a form of payment to help the community and if the elected representatives of the majority of the people enact them and one disagrees one must and should do everything to oppose them and seek their repeal. However one must obey the law even if they disagree politically. Taxes are not stealing unless you say all taxes are stealing in which case the very foundation of our infarstructure is deemed nothing more than thievery. What would you have us do Dave. Not violate the paychecks of those whos income is the highest in the country whilest those with less income are deprieved of services they need for fear of offending and violating those no need them less or not at all. I have no wish to attack the rich for the sake of helping the poor. But right now it seems the poor are being attacked for the sake of the rich and that even suggesting that is the case is decryed as “socialism”. Wanting to pay for services we all use and need is not immoral or stealing in my book. Taxes are not stealing unless you say all taxes are stealing and therfore anything we fund with taxes is funded with stolen money.

          • DaveH

            Jeremy says “Rasing taxes is official policy imposed by elected representatives”.
            Okay, so if we call it “official policy” anything goes with our young student, Jeremy. We could call killing people an “official policy” and Jeremy would be okay with it, apparently.
            You have amazing powers of rationalization, Jeremy. I hope you don’t live anywhere near me.

          • DaveH

            The poor are being attacked, Jeremy, because people like you have turned a blind eye to the growth of Big Government which is sucking the life out of our economy. Look to Cuba, or Venezuela, or myriad other countries that have succumbed to the siren song of socialism and Big Government. What will be your rationalization when our country has joined them due to young ignorant people like yourself who didn’t even bother to do some studying to see that their fantasy world just doesn’t exist?
            We have proof all over the world. You just need to open your eyes and learn. Look at the countries on the bottom of this list, the ones with the most intrusive Governments. And don’t even kid yourself that they haven’t also rationalized that they are doing what’s best for their citizens:
            http://heritage.org/index/ranking

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Dave I dont want you to fear me. I would never condone killing no matter what the circumstances. I “rationalize” taxes becuase they are implemented by our elected officials which is what we elect them to do and they do pay for things we all need. I want our army and education to have the best funding possible and I worry that if we cut spending to much we will deprive innocent people of money they need and deserve. I have no desire to steal but we do have services we have a duty to pay for. With all due respect I simply believe that the top 2% of wage earners are in as good a position as any to pay a little more. And please bear in mind they have a say and I hope to be in the higher income brackets some day and I will gladly give up what I have. I see taxes as a burden and a duty. It is painful but it does help our country. I dont want to steal. If you can offer- please tell me another way we can pay for needed services.

          • Cawmun Cents

            Peter=Catholic church,Paul=Protestant church.The phrase was used by the Catholic church to decry protestanism.Even as they demanded”indulgences”to buy loved ones a trip to heaven and out of”purgatory”.You wonder why I make this point?Seems to me that demanding indulgences to buy your way into Utopia,is a socialist trait.It is the action of using your funds to improve your chances.When you”protest”that action,you become a protestant.Observe the Constitution as being much like the Bible,there is no written evidence of Utopia or purgatory,but if you do not hand over the fundage you will never get there.Since neither purgatory,nor Utopia exsist,I will refrain from noting that any further.As a Protestant,one would endeavor to want to keep the Pope from taking excess fundage from ones own coffer to further his own rise to power over all that he might possibly control.As the supreme leader of the only game in town(something the Catholics feel they have over all other churches)the Pope is doing his job when he seeks to accomplish draining you of your not really needed resources,since you will be stuck in purgatory untill someone else’s resources can buy you out.OOPS!,I kind of broke my promise didnt I?Did I mention that the Catholic church will use your funds to build orphanages and hospitals?A kind gesture for sure.The thing is,instead of letting you use your fundage to support the charity of your decision,the Catholic church will decide where your fundage will be spent.You see that I am drawing a parallel between the Catholic church and a socialist government dont you?That is exactly why Protestants came here to the New World to form a more perfect union.Because the Catholic church was running rampant in the governments of nearly all the countries in Europe at that time.Monarchy meant that you were bound to the church of the kings choosing,and not of your own choosing.So the people who came to the New World,when it became self evident that there was a need to seperate themselves from the Monarchies,decided that State and Religion should never mix to have absolute power over them.They did not wish to have a state religion.That was what they had left Europe for.Another parallel for those who wish to see.Socialism,like the Catholic church is a state religion.The Vatican is the only country in the world composed to house a major Religion.Of course agnostics and atheists alike will find true religion in socialism,the government religion.But they will never admit to this,which is why I am drawing parallels to the Catholic church.You see the founding fathers knew of socialism in the guise of betterment for all.They had seen it in the Catholic church.Which is why most of them were Protestants.And the same reason was why a letter was written to the Danbury Baptists.You see his point was to make them understand that the need fora socialist form of religion was not in their best interests.Neither is the current form of socialism being foisted on the American public.Do I need to draw another parallel?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Jeremy,
            you say taxes are not STEALING?? What about the fact that all of my working life, I’ve paid taxes into the great ponzi scheme called social security and in six more years when I can collect there may not be anything to collect, because the politicians couldn’t resist all that “spare” cash and “took” it out??? Sure as hell sounds like THEFT to me!!!!!

    • Tom S

      Time for you Valium and kool-aid.

      • Tom S

        I love when you make a reply to someones outrageous statements and it ends up waaaaaaaaay down the page looking like your making a comment about the person’s statement above yours.

        • DaveH

          Tom,
          Just make a response to their name in your comment.

  • Kings Son

    Normalcy bias, that’s what it’s called. To keep living under the illusion that the government we have today can’t possibly be as bad as all the “extremest” Republicans are whining about is nothing more than another lame distraction. Both parties are guilty of selling out our nation for their own political and selfish gain, and no it didn’t start within this century. Incompetence is what we the people suspect when our elect make laws favoring small groups above large groups when the new law barely helps either and hurts both. We have a president pursuing and forcing his vision onto everyone in our amazing nation irrespective of all except for his own telegraphed intentions, to the degree that the greater majority of us is displeased, there is something seriously afoot.

    • DaveH

      You are being generous, Kings Son, calling it “incompetence”. I think it is much more purposeful on their part. What gets me is the number of people who distrust corporations who have no power to force us to do anything, but then trust Government which has the power of Force. That is naivete to the extreme.

      • JeffH

        “What gets me is the number of people who distrust corporations who have no power to force us to do anything, but then trust Government which has the power of Force. That is naivete to the extreme”

        AMEN to that…you just said a mouthfull.

        • JC

          Similar thought Jeff…
          Why do people who will not give up their guns (and rightly so) willingly hand over their childrens minds to the state by putting them in public indoctrination?

          Another conundrum.

  • Kings Son

    -sorry- I wasn’t finished before that first clip got away from me. No I don’t call that communism, because it more closely resembles something much closer to the monarchy our founding fathers threw off. It’s time to realize that whatever you want to call “O” very,very little of him resembles something our Constitution or our founders ever intended. The cancer needs to be cut out, but so too the fuel feeding the cancer that is making it spread like wildfire. Amazingly cancer was cured over a hundred years ago (without destructive drugs), and more surprising is the fact that it only takes a little of all the wrong ingredients to keep it growing. Feed the cancer with an unending supply of what feeds it, it spreads. Just a small cancer can kill the whole body. My fellow patriots, America is sick. At this present rate it seems to be terminal…if the cancer isn’t cut out soon. You can kill the cancer…just stop feeding it. For now I won’t even try to explain the cancer analogy, it would take too much time to type. I’ll just say this, the sleeping giant needs to wake up or we’re through. We need to find the champion for the “right” very quickly or we may just end up witnessing “O’s” vision all the way to fruition. God in heaven forbid that we got this far only to allow it to slip out of our hands now. Let’s move, speak and act in a forward motion from here out. We’ve seen what’s behind us, leave it, lets press on to what we desire for this great nation of ours. It’s been stolen, time to take it back! Many of us have served our great nation and still take our oath, years out from active duty, as serious today as the day we took it. Defend this nation against enemies foreign and domestic. If we fail to rise to this threat we can blame no one but ourselves. We’ve got to find our candidate that will restore our nation to excellence. Lets find them, support them, promote them and tell all who have ears to hear. And then we need to kill what feeds the cancer and vote out all the career politicians that have aided and abetted the enemies of constitutional freedom. The fight I advocate is more like “spring cleaning!” They’ve all got to go. It’s time the common folk that left the nation to the elitists and trusted them to drive us to the right place, take the driving privileges away. So lets rise up and get our champion out there now, and lets push him as high as our shoulders allow. That’s just my 2 cents.

    • sherriww

      @kings son:Prehaps you prefer to live under aDICTATOR?If so,youonly have to move to Michigan or Wisconsin,or about 20 other states with new Teapub govenors!THEY will be Glad to tell you that you cannot vote,or it means nothing if you do,that you will have no jobs that pay enough to feed your family,or decent school for your child.OH-And that your social security and medicare you paid for,or the medicaid to keep your grandma in the nursing home,that wont be there-cuz They are giving it to their Wealthy friends! Pres.Obama is doing fine,and we SURE as H dont need any Teathuglican president-not now,not ever.

      • Conservative at Birth

        What planet are you from?

      • 45caliber

        sherriww:

        No, I don’t want to live under a dictator – but that seems to be where we are now.

        When Congress automatically passes whatever the President tells them to pass without reading what it says or delaying a vote long enough to read it then you have the presence of a dictator. Look at any country that developed a dictator and you will find exactly the same thing.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        None of the things you mentioned should be the concern of the government. You yourself and your family are responsible for your own upkeep.

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        sherriww, So may I suggest that you emigrate to Cuba or Venezuela.

        • DaveH

          We can only Hope and Dream, WIA.

      • DaveH

        We are living under a Dictator, Sherriww!
        Who else would just kill people at will? Like his drone attacks. Like the recent killing of Kadafi’s grand children? Like his supposed Bin Laden killing. Remember the story goes that they asked him if he wanted to surrender peacefully. What a joke. Then hurriedly burying his body at sea.
        They were operating in somebody else’s country without that Government’s knowledge. Just take off your blinders for an instant and ask yourself “How would I feel if Mexican Soldiers came into our country and killed somebody without the knowledge or consent of our Government?”

        • denniso

          You really must be smarter than that DaveH…if we allowed an international terrorist who had killed thousands of innocents to live w/in our country,then any country would have the right and duty to take him out. I wonder if you consider Bush to be such?

          • denniso

            By the way, most of the world does in fact consider Cheny/Bush to be war criminals. What a great excuse they have for hundreds of thousands of innocents killed,a country destroyed,sectarian hatred unleashed,a trillion dollars burned, and 5,000 American kids killed w/ thousands more maimed for life….they got the intelligence wrong! Now that’s an oxymoron for you. I wonder if we would have let the Nazi leaders off if they just said they ‘got the intelligence wrong’.
            What a load of crap!

      • JC

        sherriww says:

        May 3, 2011 at 9:10 am

        @kings son:Prehaps you prefer to live under aDICTATOR?If so,youonly have to move to Michigan or Wisconsin,
        _____________________________________________________________________

        WOW! we have some nut jobs here, but you are toatally gone…
        What color is the sky on your planet?

        • Jovianus

          JC…you have no clue about what is happening in Wisconsin or Michigan do you…obviously not. But then, there’s a lot you spout off about you know nothing about. Nothing new there…

          • JeffH

            Jovi-commie…and you do? Jeesh!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Jovi,
            I was born and raised in Adrian/Tecumseh Michigan. I still have a lot of close family there now! I probably know just as much, if not more than you do about the state!!!

  • http://! Angel Wannabe

    Good Article, But, I’m not sure a fresh crop of Constitutional loving Politicians are going to do what needs to be done. Too many of our “Elected officials” have fallen from grace and are on the dole. It’s become more and more clear that, that less and less our voice is heard, I think what have here, and had for some time, is elections with pre-planned consequences._aka,”a token vote”. Voting makes one feel good, like we’ve contributed, done our duty. Problem is, even when we do vote, nothing changes, it gets worse &/ or we get just more of the SOS (same old Stuff!)

    • 45caliber

      Angel:

      We’ve only had “token” votes for at least 60 years that I know about.

      After the electon, the same night, they have meetings of the local political groups. A special name for them but I can’t remember it. You can attend if you wish – and many would like you to do it. One Dem, a teacher, offered to get my daughter a political position if she wanted to join them. (Luckily she is a conservative.) But it was known 60 years ago that these people at these meetings are the ones who decide who will run for office and who will get elected. There are a lot of deals made there too. If you are truly interested, you should make a point of attending.

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        45__I’m not a Progressive by any stretch of the imagination, I wouldn’t fit the mold, and I won’t lie my way in either!

      • Doc Franklin

        I know the precinct chairmen control who gets on the ballots, I’ve never heard about this “closed election” on the same night. Please enlighten me.

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        45, I spoke to my husband about the meetings after the elections, if they are conducted, they aren’t meeting at the precincts themselves, it must be at the main headquarters. My husband was Judge of Elections for 12 years where we live.

  • http://www.diyyardandhome.com Dan

    What is amazing is that Obama and his cronies have tried hard to collapse the economy and while we are still holding on by our finger tips we are still holding on. Just as they are also destroying the constitution, it is still there. Just like Japan “awoke a sleeping giant”, so to will the socialists who want to make over this country into their idea of utopia and power. The more the push, the more they are exposed to who they really are and what they objectives are. We will reach a tipping point and when they country goes over the cliff I think and hope and pray, there is still enough patriots to hold on to the rope and pull us back over the cliff.

    • Insurgent

      Load up and be prepared !!!!

      • Conservative at Birth

        In May of 2008, I decided to become a true patriot to this Constitutional Republic. I started investing in books, firearms, ammunition, canned food, distilled water,and many other itesm to prepare for the inevitable civil war. We will have to protect ourselves from the “Brown Shirts” that Obama and his allies have been indocrinating since the mid 1800′s. As you can see, from many of the uninformed people that write their drivel on this site.

        • DaveH

          Is that really going to happen, or are most people going to role over and play dead like they did when New Orleans officials confiscated good peoples’ weapons?

          • JC

            Some sort of paramilitary was involved in that too.
            Some speculate about BlackWater involvement.

        • denniso

          Boy, conservative at birth sounds very smart,don’t you think? Civil war? Don’t you remember the militia movement? The republic of texass?
          Your buddy Tim McVeigh? Like I’ve suggested before…get a job,pick up trash,help kids and old folks…DO something productive rather than go off your rocker!

  • Charles Wilson

    Obama is a total and complete, ABSOLUTE, Fabian Socialist. The only difference in Socialism and Communism is that Communism is Socialism with a gun pointed at your head.. No pun intended, but under this sick man, THAT is precisely the change that he wants, and precisely where he wants to “take” this nation.. And, YOU. Wake up, America.
    Soon, it will be too late!

    • JC

      Right now in America, it’s entirely conceivable that 240 million guns would be pointed right back.

      • denniso

        Two kooks spewing more nonsense! How can you guys be so full of baloney,and still function in the world?

        Many of the gun owners in the country are NOT rightwing wackos,and they certainly wouldn’t be on the same side as you fools.

  • kilrntex

    If the patriots are going to save this country they had better step up and do something quickly, because we don’t have much rope left. July 4, 2011 would be a good date to go to DC and be heard. After all, they can hear us, they are just acting deaf. Being seen and heard will be a different matter! Busses need to be leased or rented all over the USA to make the trip so our unemployed can go. Those of us who are working could help them out and feed them. It’s time to get real about this matter. Time is not on our side either. Obama and his theives will rig the election again and finish us off IF WE MAKE IT TO 2012! Get a stick and prod your buddies and anyone who loves this country to get off their asses and raise hell!

    • karolyn

      Well,where’s your website organizing this event?

    • Lewis Munn

      Do you think if a million concerned Citizens could be brought to Washington, and march 7 times around the Capitol, it would help?

      The illegals marched, and got what they wanted!

      The Hebrew Children marched 7 times around the impregnable Jerico, and the best reports are the walls fell down!

    • JIBBS

      On July 4th of any year, Washington will be on vaction(no one home) You better pick a better date.

    • Buddy

      Democratic protests are not answers to the problem of democracy. Nullification is.

      • Carlucci

        AMEN -! Nullification rocks.

    • 45caliber

      kilrntex:

      I agree with you. We have to get their attention – and force them to listen. Not by using violence but by simply having so many there they can’t do anything except listen and realize that there are far too many people who don’t like where they want us to go and don’t intend to allow it.

      What really worries me is the vote rigging, though. When they first came out with computers I wasn’t too happy since I know how easy it is to change programming. And since seeing and hearing about the various problems and votes for many of the Dems in the last election, it only brought home to me the reality of it. Reid was caught with voting computers that counted three of every four votes for his opponent for him. They changed the computers to stop that. He was running well behind up to an hour before the close of elections – and then won by a substantial margin. It seems that the programers came back to “fix” the computers again …

      Pelousy and Boxer were both considered to win but by the lowest margins ever – and both won with over 80% of the vote. The polls weren’t that wrong. So did several other Dems. And most of that vote difference wasn’t due to illegal aliens voting or multiple votes by Acorn people.

      • DaveH

        That’s because they aren’t doing it right, 45. They could easily store the votes in two seperate databases, one for the names and addresses of the voters, polling place, etc.; and the second for the actual votes. With those two databases, vote secrecy would be maintained with an alphanumeric number that is provided to the voter and only the individual voter knew. There are other details that I won’t go into for brevity. But the databases would both be open to the public (read only), so that any person or any organization could do their own counts using appropriate software. Also the individual voter could look and see if his/her votes were entered correctly. That would make it easy for people to check and see if convicts, dead people, or others were voting illegally. It would be easy to set up and very transparent.
        Do the leaders want that? HELL NO. But if we pushed hard enough they could do it. It would be virtually impossible to cook the books that way.

        • 45caliber

          Actually, we do all that here in Texas. But … they can show you how you voted and still change the vote within the machine for the final count. I can program well enough to do that and I’m by no means a good programmer.

    • DaveH

      Find out where your local Tea Parties are:
      http://theteaparty.net/localteaparty.asp

  • http://None Max Dreier

    Finally, I’m so glad to read an article from someone who “get it.”

    Obama knows full well what he is doing, and he is destroying America deliberately, on purpose. Most people can’t get their minds wrapped around the fact that we elected a president who hates our country. The only difference I have is that I’d call Obama a facist, and not a communist. He will allow private ownership of property, but he will dominate the industries, by intimidation, or bribery, crony capitalism, or whatever it takes. Examples, General Motors, Chrysler, General Electric, Google. If we re-elect Obama in 2012, that’ll be the last presidential election we have. He will not step down in 2017. I predicted this as early as March 2009. Facists don’t voluntarily relinquish power. Obama will find a way to stay in office, unless the military throws him out. I surely hope I’m wrong. There are several ways he can try to accomplish this: The states are so dependent on the feds to balance the state budgets that they have become little more than departments of the federal government. So, either a state ratifies a repeal of the presidential term limit amendment, or he cuts off their federal funds. No state can long survive a federal funds cutoff. A more likely scenario is that he’ll simply cancel the 2016 presidential election, by declaring a national emergency, or some other pretext. The Constitution be dammed. He doesn’t abide by it now. Examples: The oil drilling moratorium is uncontitutional, but he doesn’t allow drilling. Just doesn’t issue any permits. Obamacare is unconstitutional, but he implements it anyhow. I’m a retired lawyer, and my understanding of a declaratory judgment, is that it stands, until reversed on appeal. So Obama’s ignoring Judge Hudson’s declaratory judgment is nothing more than Obama’s thumbing his nose at the Constitution. His justice department prosecutes voter fraud when alleged against whites, but his AG has said that he will not enforce voter intimidation charges by whites who were intimidated by Black Panthers. I could go on, but as with a previous replier, my time for typing a reply is running out.

    • Ret

      Good post. Thank you. However…

      How does one explain this travesty of justice in the WH? I’ve tried. How do you get someone to care? The dollar goes down, inflation goes up, should be a simple equation. Everything is made in China, China owns more of the US than anyone else. Should be simple. Why did Obama go to the UN and not Congress before bombing Syria? Not legal, should be simple. TSA: be subjected to an unknown amount of X-rays or be molested; against the law, should be simple. Trained dogs do a better job. The elderly, the children are touched, muslims are not because it’s against their religion, should be simple. Thank you very much, but I’ll opt out ‘for my own protection’. If the government wants to do something for my protection, how about sealing the borders, gettiing rid of illegals of all colors and persuasions, so I can get a job, get rid of illegals so our people, black, white, LEGAL Hispanics, etc can feel safer and knowing that the person next to him/her has a right to be here.

  • Jovianus

    Just out of curiousity, what policy put in place shows president Obama to be an extremist?

    During his campaign, everyone said he was a liberal…yet, if anyone listened to what he was saying…he was stating conservative moderate policies.

    During his administration, he had to take drastic, big picture, immediate impact actions to keep the free falling ecopnomy from collapsing.

    What is telling is that while the GOP and the wacked Right take every opportunity to criticize his policies…no alternatives were ever…EVER .. proposed. The only alterniatives proposed are those which are so extremist, so out of touch with reality, as to be openly damaging to our Nation if enacted.

    One may oppose some policies of this adminstration (heck, I oppose certain policies), but to state this administration…this President..is anything but a moderate or conservative Moderate is to dislay an ignorance or robotic mind control far beyond any rational independent thought.

    • newspooner

      What planet are you living on?

      • Jovianus

        Newsspooner…I stand by my words. What exactly has been any GOP policy which was proposed as any alternative?

        GM was bailed out (ala’ Chrylser), went public and we’ll make a few shekels on the deal. TARP II was never fully spent because conditions were placed on the monies..such as “pay it back”..and we made money on that deal and it’s almost fully paid back. The Stimulus was heavily criticized, yet the line of states asking for those monies went around the block and, by all accounts, saved us from heading into economic depression, we are pumping more domestic oil than ever before, we have deported more undocumented people than ever before, wem are wrapping up Iraq, snuffed bin Laden, and promoting pro-Western anti terrorist republics/democracies throughout N. Africa. N Korea is bottled up, Iran’s nuke program is in a stall pattern.

        Try as I might, I cannot recall a single alternative offered up by the GOP these past 2 years except the recent one which offers to put old folks on the streets without healthcare and without social security income.

        So yeah…you can say what you want..but you can’t asnwer my initial question can ya…

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          Jovianus, I gotta ask ya, did ya ever hear the old agage, that the one who does the most explaining is guilty?___The only damn reason you and your Libbie friends work so hard at dis-crediting Conservatives, slandering the Tea Parties and the GOP, on a Conservative site none-the-less, is because, more and more people in this Country have woke up to the fact, that you and your fellow Marxist/Commies are FULL OF SHYT!

          • Jovianus

            Angel…two points for you to realize. I’m not ‘explaining”, i’m stating fact which it seems no one cares to refute :). Second…slander means I’m knowingly telling a falsehood about someone. Thus, I’m not guilty of slander because i seriously doubt I can slander anyone on this board unless i state they are operating with a full deck…

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Jovianus, Its hard to take Liberals seriously, because our thought process’s between Conservatives and Liberals are polar opposites!__You on one hand, believe pratically everything the Guvment says,that they have all the answers and are the savior.

            Most Conservatives are God Fearing first, Family oriented, with an umbilical cord directly attached to America, the Constitution and Freedom. Most all Conservatives are willing to work for what we want and take care of our own families and help otheres when we can. We are also more than willing stand up and question the Government or anyone who gets in our way!

            We don’t believe in entitlements, unless its a temporary hand up. Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security was already in place and needed nothing more than to be updated or tweeked, not completely taken over.

            We know how to Govern ourselves and act accordingly. We don’t take kindly to people telling us, when and where to smoke, what the hell to eat, What we can and can’t build on OUR own properties, or shoving Congressional Bills down our collective throats, while the elites are telling us this is what we NEED, WE KNOW WHATS BEST FOR YOU!__

            And the reason you get such shyte on this site here jovianus, and what seems like no repsect is because you insist you have to be right!___Your not right according to the beliefs of a Conservative. FACE FACTS!_ If you think your going to breed some new supporters for your Liberal cause on a Conservative site, your either badly mistaken or a wild dreamer. What you’ll get is alot of Shyte!

            God, Family Freedom, and that old tattered Constitution are our lifes blood. I think should you have some ballz and read that Constitution for yourself, stop listening to everything else and follow your own heart and mind instead of your elitest Boss’s.

            I think you Liberals are a little jealous, because ya’ll act like ya just can’t hang unless, someone is telling ya what to do and when to do it!__On the other hand,as a Conservative, I do what my God, Heart and mind tell me too! enuff said!!

        • Doc Franklin

          Of course you can’t, you only watch CNN, MSNBC and Mr. Tingly Legs Chris Matthews. You could get more information out of a rock. Open your mind, and your (Jovi) Anus will follow.

        • Doc Franklin

          I hate to get personal here, but every so called fact in your post is factually beyond wrong. Where in the world do you come up with this pap? I suppose you’re one of those that believe it when someone shows up at your doorstep from the government telling you they are here to help you! Wow you are magnanimously ignorant. This is what the NEA and the DOE gives us to work with? God help us!!!

          • Jovianus

            I kjnow Doc…it’s so wrong all you can do is claim it to be wrong. LOL … nice try. Didn’t work…but nice try.

      • Ret

        Why do you respond to that anus? if everyone would totally ignore it, it would go away. I have learned to ignore the posts.

        • Thamera

          yet, here you are Ret lol

          • Ret

            No, I was responding to Newspooner. If I were responding to anus, it would have been indented further.

        • Jovianus

          I know Ret..hard to respond to someone who is pointing out something you simply cannot answer…feel like a misled fool yet?

          • Thamera

            And it is obvious Jovi that you simply can’t answer most things…

        • Carlucci

          The more I read his posts, it is obvious that Jovi is a rabble rouser from Moveon or ACORN.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Carlucci, yepper, ANUS stirring the pot, thats all!

    • Insurgent

      So how long have you had this repiratory problem???

    • JIBBS

      End the Fed, end welfare, no more government buying companys(GM), end the EPA, get out of the UN, close over seas Military bases, no more pay checks to elected officals after their term is up, end the dept. of education, secure the boarder, no amnesty, no illegals in the Whitehouse, stop printing worthless money. The list could go on, but you would never understand, due to the fact that you think the government cares about you.

    • Vigilant

      Jovi Anus,

      Your screeds are so consistantly wrong, and so ignorant of the facts presented to you again and again, that I won’t even deign to repeat what I’ve told you a hundred times. NOTHING penetrates your skull.

      “Conservative moderate” policies? Good God, seek medical help!

      • Jovianus

        Vigilant…you’re so-called ‘facts” are so full of BS one could fertilize the entire wheat fields of Nebraska and Kansas, cover the cornfields of Iowa..and still have a years supply for the garden.

        Like I stated..there has been NO GOP alternatives proposed on any policy except the recent plan to kill Medicare and Medicaid. Any proposals outside of the GOP Congress are so draconian as to be looked at as plans seeking to destroy this nation under the guise of “patriotism” …

        It is what it is ..

        • Vigilant

          And you are what you are…a poor excuse for an American, and a liar extraordinaire.

        • GeorgeE

          Jovianus,

          When we’re at polar opposite positions, it’s pretty difficult to recognize solutions offered by the other political persuasion as real solutions. For instance, it’s difficult for me to see how the government can reduce its debt by increasing federal spending, which as I understand it is the Democrat’s “solution” to this problem. Funny how that works.

          • Jovianus

            Ummm..and what exactly was the Dem proposal which increased spending? And you do realize don’t you that it was the GOPers who insisted on keeping the special tax bracket for the wealthy, who insisted we should lower corproate rates while keeping their subsidies and tax breaks allowing 55% of the public corporations to have no tax iability…

          • GeorgeE

            Jovianus,

            My point is that unless Republicans propose increasing taxes, increasing regulations (especially on businesses), giving the federal government more power, and increasing the number of government workers Democrats don’t recognize their proposals as solutions at all because their solutions don’t fit the liberal definition of a solution. Isn’t that correct? To be fair, Republicans don’t recognize proposals from the Democrats as real solutions for the same reason. Given this polarity, it’s pretty difficult to get both sides on the same page. Wouldn’t you agree?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            GeorgeE,
            Answer a question for me so the as. er anus can see it. Who has been screaming the most lately that we HAVE to raise the spending ceiling????

    • Dennis Patrick

      Jovianus,

      Logical debate involves discussion of facts and ideas. Despite your good intentions, that DOES NOT happen here. It’s all about name-calling and insults.

      Keep up the good fight – I am agree with you at times and disagree with you at times. But I respect your right to your beliefs. I don’t equate opposition with a mental illness or lack of intelligence.

      I am tired of a government that is a cash machine to corporations. Obama has done little to stop this. I am also tired of a government that does little to protect its citizens from the corporations. Once again, Obama has done little to stop this. Many here think that government and regulation is the problem – I’m sorry but that is just the line being fed to us by the corporate sponsored tea parties. Oddly, people here hate George Soros for his influence of government policy. But really, it is a biased hate because of his support for elected officials with a (D) next to their name. Dick Cheney or George Soros – not really a lot of difference.

      So – you constititionalists – take your cracks. Your insults are funnier than George W on a segway scooter.

      • Vigilant

        Like Jovi Anus, you too shrink from the discussion of facts and ideas. You have backed up NOTHING you just said with facts and figures.

        Anyone familiar with my postings understands that I have used clarity, logic and facts in my assertions, something I rarely see from your ilk.

        • Jovianus

          Vigilant..I’m familiar with your psotings…and in reading your response…I’d say you have a huge issue with telliing the truth

          • Vigilant

            I’ve exposed your lies a hindred times on this site. Your reaction? Skitter away with your tail between your legs, or try to divert attention away from the subject. You’re worse than pitiful.

          • Vigilant

            DP spews, “I don’t equate opposition with a mental illness or lack of intelligence.”

            Nor do I. I equate mental illness or lack of intelligence with mental illness and lack of intelligence. Jovi has shown his lack of intelligence many times here. His mental illness is equated with the fact that he has been furnished damning facts that don’t gibe with his socialist views, and he disregards them. Programmed automatonism is a mental illness.

          • DaveH

            This coming from a guy (Jovianus) who gets bolder every day with his lies, equivocations, and fabricated facts.
            You have no credibility on this board, Jovianus.

          • denniso

            As though you have any at all, DaveH. Your tired and cliched rants about the fringe libertarian party are pretty much a joke. Why don’t you support a real party? I guess you have an issue w/ people who can actually get things done.

        • Dennis Patrick

          Vigilant wrote: “Anyone familiar with my postings understands that I have used clarity, logic and facts ”

          That’s a laugh – I searched this threat and only found insults and name calling – Mr. Socialist, for example, or emphasizing the last four letters of a user name (much like a 7th grader would do) – or question someone’s mental capacity.

          You give opinions, we all give opinions. Sometimes we disagree – live with it.

          • Vigilant

            “That’s a laugh – I searched this threat [sic] and only found insults and name calling – Mr. Socialist, for example, or emphasizing the last four letters of a user name (much like a 7th grader would do) – or question someone’s mental capacity.

            You give opinions, we all give opinions. Sometimes we disagree – live with it.”

            Hey, DP Sh*t,, I’ve posted for a year on this site, and I’ll take you or anyone on with reason and facts. I’ve grown tired of correcting Jovi Anus on numerous occasions, and have him respond with nothing of merit. My postings today reflect that. He’s hopeless.

            There are three things in this world: facts, wrong opinions and right opinions. You and Jovi show no propensity to assimilate facts. Opinions are those ideas swayed by either facts or propaganda and tempered by upbringing and environment. A correct opinion finds its genesis in history and fact, such as the conservative opinion. The opinions of the left are found in the propaganda of Marx and Engels, learned from a socialist professor or teacher, aided and abetted by the lamestream media.

            The self-esteem movement has produced a couple of generations of fools who believe their opinions have some merit, notwithstanding the paucity of fact to back it up. You, Jovi and others like you may spout invalid opinions all day long, and that is your right. But it doesn’t make your opinion worhty of consideration.

          • Vigilant

            BTW, how is “Mr. Socialist” an insult to someone who admits to being a socialist?

      • Vigilant

        “Many here think that government and regulation is the problem…”

        If you don’t realize that, Mr. Socialist, no amount of facts and figures will convince you otherwise.

        This is tiresome, but I’ll pose the same question I have often repeated, and none of you idiots has ever answered: which economic system has been shown by history to be the most successful in improving the lives of the highest number of people, socialism or Capitalism?

        Your answer, if you have the mental capacity and guts to reply, will tell us where you stand with regard to the Constitution and our form of government. My bet is you either won’t answer the question directly, or you’ll attempt to divert the subject.

        • Jovianus

          Market Socialism. You know, that system we have had since the 30′s when we went forth and became a world leader.

          • Vigilant

            I asked DP the question. We already know what you are. BTW “Market socialism” is an oxymoron, and you are the same without the “oxy.”

        • Dennis Patrick

          Jovianus’ response is great – I think we are closer to a fairer (and ultimately free-er) economic system than anywhere else. From the 1930s to 1980, we progressed to a place that was more democratic, more Christian, fairer and civil. But some people did not like social security, medicare, the voting rights acts, 8 hour work days and restrictions against child labor, clean air and clean water acts, Nixon (that commie)’s creation of the EPA and other things that protected us from corporate greed and corporate waste.

          Vigilant – and many around here, including, it seems Robert Ringer – call those things Communism. You can call it Arthur if you want – that just does not make it so.

          Oppose it all you want – that’s what so freakin’ great about a free society. But battle ideas with ideas – not childish name calling and taunting.

          • Vigilant

            DP’s responses become more fact-bereft with each posting.

            “I think we are closer to a fairer (and ultimately free-er [sic]) economic system than anywhere else.”

            We were closer to a more equitable economic system before FDR than at any time since. Government intrusion and onerous regulation, along with wealth redistribution schemes, have begun to kill the goose that lays the golden egg. How you can believe that increased socialization of a free market economy can make it more free is an example of Orwellian doublespeak at its worst. “Market socialism” my a$$!

            “From the 1930s to 1980, we progressed to a place that was more democratic, more Christian, fairer and civil.”

            “More democratic?” That’s the only part of that sentence you got right. Do you have the minimal understanding to know the difference between a democacy and a republic? Have you ever read the Constitution? Democracy was not deemed to be the best form of government by the Founders, for a number of good reasons. We now see the fruits of this “democracy” since 1988 in 40+% of the people on the government dole. That’s not progression, that’s regression.

            “…a place that was more…Christian, fairer and civil.”

            You are delusional if you believe we became more Christian, more fair or more civil. Secular humanism is on the rise and Christianity is under attack in this country as it never has been before, that’s a fact and not an opinion. And it was alive and well in 1980, friend.

            “More fair?” Fairness is socialist-speak for guaranteeing outcomes, not guaranteeing equal opportunity. The Constitution supports equal opportunity. Socialism supports the mediocrity of sameness, rewarding the indolent and punishing the entrepreneurs. The long road of the gradual socialization continues to destroy this country.

            Your choice of 1980 is significant. 1988 is a better mark, since the downhill roll toward destruction picked up pace in 1988, and in 2008 it began its final acceleration.

            No sir, the culprit has been socialism, and its leftist liberal (“progressive”) tools are responsible for making this nation more un-free, less Christian and certainly more uncivil than at any time in its history.

          • DaveH

            Dennis,
            We are not the most free economy by any means. And we are getting less free by the day. The Leaders are making fools out of most of us while they feather their nests and convince the less informed that they are Free. Here is a list of countries ranked by their economic freedom (less Government involvement in the economy). You can pick the country link to see how any country got their ranking. Notice particularly that our neighbor Canada is more economically free than we are. And ever wonder why Mexico is so poor? Check out the amount of regulations their citizens deal with:
            http://heritage.org/index/Ranking

            Notice that Hong Kong and Singapore get by with 1/2 the Government spending that our county has. Why is that? Are they just nicer people? I doubt it.

          • Vigilant

            “But some people did not like social security, medicare, the voting rights acts, 8 hour work days and restrictions against child labor, clean air and clean water acts, Nixon (that commie)’s creation of the EPA and other things that protected us from corporate greed and corporate waste.”

            Your rambling indicates your lack of knowledge. You do a number of intellectually dishonest things:

            (1) You look at the conceptual basis of a law or regulation, which may be fair and just, and fail to look at the results of that law, or the damage done by government to the system. The EPA, for example, has become the tool of Obama to sidestep Cap and Trade legislation since it could never pass the Congress. Medicare and Social Security have become albatrosses around our necks because the politicians haven’t been able to keep their greedy hands out of the pot, let alone the hundreds of billions in fraud and waste. Notwithstanding that, neither one is Constitutional, period.

            (2) You twist history. The civil rights legislation was opposed by your beloved democrats from the Civil War until the 1970s. The Dems became sudden champions of the blacks only when they figured out they could keep the black person down by creating dependencies. The second Voting Rights Act was opposed by the Black Caucus because the Repubs were going to expand it, and that would have taken away from the Dems the ability to point at the Repubs as anti-black.

            (3) You lie about conservatives: 8 hour work days and restrictions against child labor are the shining hats worn by the union lackeys. Those things were changed decades ago, we have moved on, and no conservative argues against such things.

            Your socialist procilities are evidenced by your statement, “and other things that protected us from corporate greed and corporate waste.”

            Corporate greed and waste cannot hold a candle to government greed and waste. The difference is that the free market weeds out the wasteful and dishonest entrepreneur. Use of the term “corporate greed” shows you up as another hater of the wealthy just because they’ve got more than you. That’s Marxism par excellence. Without “corporate greed” there are no jobs in this country, period.

          • DaveH

            Dennis,
            Are you kidding? Fairer? I have been involved in two court cases, neither has been fair. In both, the liars came out ahead. In fact, I have only had property stolen from me once by a real bona fide criminal. I’ve had hundreds of thousands of dollars stolen from me by Government.
            More Christian? I thought you liberals advocated separation of church and state? But we are far from more Christian as they are under assault daily by the Liberals who view them as competitors to the religion of liberalism.
            More Democratic? We were never intended to be a Democracy. That is a concept pushed by Big Government and the Media because it’s easy to sway a raw majority of people (51%) to think one way or the other and thus trample the rights of the minority. Democracy — Mob Rule. The Founders knew that and they created a Democratic Republic to protect us. It didn’t take long for a Big Government advocate (Lincoln) to trample on those restraints.

            From the 1930s to 1980, we progressed to a place that was more democratic, more Christian, fairer and civil.

          • DaveH

            And Vigilant, I disagree with your number 3. True Conservatives want the Government out of the Marketplace, so people can make voluntary contracts with whoever they want without the interference and force of Government.

          • denniso

            ‘True conservatives’??? Is that kind of like ‘true love’? Or, ‘true religion’,’true God’?

            Just so people aren’t confused by the brilliant DaveH,home schooled economist,there is NO gov’t on the face of the earth that has NO gov’t involvement in it’s economy…it’s essentially impossible for a modern democracy to have no gov’t involvement or intervention. What about the military? Is one of the largest pieces of the budget,run entirely by the gov’t,considered gov’t involvement? All the defense contractors and cities and states that are connected to and supported by military(gov’t) spending,what do we do w/ them? Oh, I know…DaveH and the libertarian party would privatise the entire military! Then we wouldn’t have to worry about big,bad gov’ts involvement in the markets.

      • Jovianus

        Dennis;

        I too share the concerns about corporate influence and what little has been done to curb it. By both Congress and the administration. Unfortunately, with the TP crowd yelling and screaming and threatening…I doubt if any meaningful reform will get through. Somehow TPers see evil in everything but those who control them.

        As for Soros and their wild claims about him…no one has responded to my questions back…such as “if Soros is so all hell bent on world control, then all other gadzillionaires must be giving their blessing since they have enough qwealth and influence to stop him, correct?”

        But using logic and reason with a TPer is a waste of time for the most part …

        • Thamera

          good gawd Jovi, you truly are as dense as they come. Interesting to me that you castigate the TP movement on one hand, yet ascribe them so much power that the president is unable to what, do what he really wants to do, like stop spending? hahahahahahahahahahahhaahhaahahhahaha….my side hurts.

          • Vigilant

            Thamera, it’s futile to point out the logical inconsistencies to the leftists; their whole modus operandi depends upon confusion and misdirection. They worship Saul Alinsky.

            Jovi Anus has called Obama a “moderate Conservative,” and then tells us he’s not a socialist. With that kind of doublethink, it’s a wonder he has even the minimal mental capacity to wipe his backside.

          • Jovianus

            I know…I know…the House is not controlled by the GOP and Boehner is not crying and whining about the TPers being irresponsible and detached from reality.

          • Jovianus

            Vigilant…can you ever tell the truth about anything? I stated Obama is a conservative Moderate.

          • Carlucci

            Why even bother to spar with Jovi and others like him? It is an exercise in futility. Their minds are like concrete. All mixed up and permanently set.

          • 45caliber

            Jovi:
            What is the difference between a “moderate conservative” and a “conservative moderate”?

          • Jovianus

            45…a “moderate Conservative’ is a Conservative with moderation. I’d say…ummm… Bush I probably fit that mold. Olympia Snow as well. A liberal Conservative would be known as a “rockefleer Republican. A conservative Moderate owuld be in line with someone like Scoop Jackson was. Today would be difficult to find with the polarization we now have…but maybe House Minority Whip, Rep. Steny Hoyer

          • Vigilant

            Right on! I juxtaposed the words by mistake and Jovi Anus accuses me of lying.

            But you’re right. Whichever term Jovi uses, it’s patently, provably incorrect.

        • DaveH

          Jovianus,
          You aren’t concerned about corporate influence. If you were, you would work to expand your brain and figure out that As Government Grows Corruption Flows. Crony Capitalism, or Mercantilism, or whatever you want to call it has been going on since Lincoln’s presidency. That is, since the Federal Government trampled the State’s rights under the Constitution. And neither of the two major parties wants to change that. They each have their favored Crony Capitalists who benefit from their subsidies, protective tariffs, or targeted regulations (including those in the Income Tax System).
          The Leaders work hand-in-hand with their favored corporatists.
          Their is only one way to break that log jam and that is to get the Government out of the Marketplace. There is only one political party that advocates that — the Libertarian Party.
          The Libertarians offer everything that Liberals claim they want, except that they don’t give Liberals the ability to force their way on others or take the money of others through Big Government.
          Liberals claim they want peace, but we will never have peace as long as one group (this includes right-wingers) wants to force their way through Big Government on the rest of the citizens.

    • DaveH

      Jovianus,
      Are you really that ignorant? I doubt it. My theory is that you are politically connected, so you have a vested interest in misleading the ignorant sheep who you and your cohorts intend to shear.
      Obama not extreme? First president to force us to buy a product (health care insurance). First president (in our lifetimes) to take control of a private company (GM), and in the process stiff the bond holders who legally have claim to the company’s assets when in default of its loans. First president to launch a war without the approval of Congress (don’t tell me it isn’t a war because if it isn’t then Obama is just a murderer), and against a country that has threatened our safety in any rational way.
      And a moderate campaign? Of course, ignoramus, it was moderate because he was lying through his teeth:
      http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=91286

      • DaveH

        Should have been “against a country that HASN’T threatened our safety”.

      • Vigilant

        DaveH,

        Lest we forget:

        First president to sue a state for trying to enforce the equivalent of federal immigration law.

        First president to massively bypass Constitutional checks and balances by hiring Czars by the dozen.

        First president to support a fallen Marxist would-be dictator by taking another country’s constitutionally establish Supreme Court to task (Honduras).

        First president who has so assiduously tried to hide his past.

        And on and on….

  • newspooner

    Juan Peron Obama is not the first communist president of the US. It would be nice if he could be the last. Robert Ringer is correct about the Republican Party candidate-to-be likely being a misguidance who keeps moving America along the path toward total government, while most of the sheeple don’t even recognize it. The sophisticated audience on this website surely must know who is the only 100% proven reliable Republican candidate for president. Now is the time to rally behind him or trust his choice if he is not the candidate himself. Anything less promotes disaster.

    • Lewis Munn

      We’d be far better off with a Libertarian President than than another DemoPublican. The one two-headed party has heads that differ only in how fast to wreck America now!

      We need a total change in outlook and direction and goals, but with the population we have, seems unlikely. They will not even know when the enslavement is complete.

      • Conservative at Birth

        I voted for George Wallace in 1972 in Michigan to protest against the crooked Republican President that foolishly gave the vote to 18 year olds. I voted for John Anderson in 1980, and Roger McBride in 1984. I am a Liberatarian by nature, except when it comes to protecting our borders. Their open border philisophy will not work, Until they change that part of their pary I will never again vote Liberatarian.

        • newspooner

          I think you misunderstand the Libertarian position on “open borders”. It is often poorly written in Party publications and does not explain theory, rationale, and practicality adequately.

          Briefly: Libertarians almost universally believe that it is irrational that a person should not be able to travel to any part of the earth and traverse on “public property”. Just try to do that in most countries! You need special government permission — passports, visas, “ID”, you know — “Your papers, please”. That is certainly an indication of a lack of freedom. The ideal would be to have free access to the whole earth, while respecting persons’ private properties. But with almost all governments being opponents of freedom, this does not exist. Its existence would be true “open borders”. And of course, the reality is that the bad governments (most of those on earth) do so many anti-freedom things and conspire to enslave their own (and other) people, that truly open borders causes problems. So there are immigration laws and junk like that which will exist until a majority of countires are truly free. Then we can have “open borders”. Under such conditions, the free market would make it just as likely that people would want to move from California to Mexico, as from Mexico to California. The fact that this is not happening now just shows that Mexico is even less free than California. Let us work for freedom in all countries so that someday we can actually have “open borders” and reap the benefits thereof.

  • Insurgent

    He couldn’t wipe his butt with both hands even if the instructions were printed on the toilet paper. (He is very good with a teleprompter.)

    • Lewis Munn

      Slip the directions into the teleprompter for his next speech. See if he know the difference!

  • John B

    Good article, I felt when Obama was runnibg with his lack of expierence,Chicago type friends, and being black, he was a communist plant.
    With communist(I feel since WW II) in our news media, they cover for him and repeat his lies to the dumb masses in America.(goverment educated)
    The masters of deceit liberal tv, and print publications.
    For those of you old enough to remember how the Vietnam war was reported by the media, they lied about our military efforts, abeted by the communist lovin democrats in congress.
    When I left in 1968 we where winning.
    Has Nakita Kruchev statement in 1959 come to be? Taking over this country without firing a bullet.
    A communist in the white house, scary but true. I hope more folks follow Robert’s writing of the truth to maybe wake up America before it’s to late. God help us.

    • Lewis Munn

      Writing does not help when only a few interested people can both read and understand what we say. Need to be filling the bulletin boards everywhere, and marching in the streets like the illegals do!

  • Alcam

    You may be interested to know that Winston Churchill raised the top tax rate to over 100% for people on extremely high incomes during WW 2. I suspect he was not a “communist”.

    • Conservative at Birth

      Maybe he was not a communist, but he was a totalitarian world government type. Not as great as some think, in my book at any rate.

    • Doc Franklin

      OVER 100%???? Cite a reference!

    • 45caliber

      Never heard that before. Where do you get the info?

    • JC

      Alcam says:

      May 3, 2011 at 7:57 am

      You may be interested to know that Winston Churchill raised the top tax rate to over 100% for people on extremely high incomes during WW 2. I suspect he was not a “communist”.
      __________________________________________________________________

      Bulls**t

      • newspooner

        If you look objectively at Winston Churchill’s record (not the image presented by the Establishment Media), it is rational to conclude that he fits the philosophical definition of a Communist. Perhaps he was just an egomaniac seeking power and glory for himself and had no intention of promoting the international Communist agenda, but he and Roosevelt did a tremendous amount of damage to freedom, and indeed did help advance the international Communist agenda.

  • ED FOUTS

    YOU HAVE TO BLIND AND STUPID TO BELIEVE ANYTHING OBAMA HAS TO SAY,
    HE IS NOTHING BUT ALL LIES – HE IS A FRAUD, HE IS TAKING EVERYTHING HE CAN FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE– YOUR RIGHTS UR FREEDOMS AND ANYTHING HE CAN, IF HE IS RE-ELECTED THEIR IS GOING TO BE BIG PROBLEMS THAT U HAVE NOT SEEN IN OUR COUNTRY BEFORE.
    VOTE OUT THIS LIAR BEFORE ITS TO LATE
    OR U WILL BE SORRY AND U WILL PAY BIG TIME.

  • Insurgent

    If you voted for Buckwheat in 2008, it proves that you are not racist.
    If you vote for Buckwheat in 2012, it will prove you are a frickin’ idiot.
    Life’s tough, but it is tougher when you are stupid.
    John Wayne

    • 45caliber

      Thanks for the laugh. But you are right.

    • Doc Franklin

      Buckwheat and the black Darla can take a frickin hike!

  • Richard Easton

    Any of a number of emergencies could justify martial law and suspension of constitutional rights. A bomb. An assassination. A run on banks. Terrorist activity. Outbreak of disease. Food shortage. Power grid down.
    Our President is already exercising executive powers outside of the Constitution. He is ignoring court decisions, refusing to defend in court laws passed by Congress, and litigating against State laws and actions of State officers. He does seem to have an agenda to redistribute wealth, as he has said, and he is consolidationg political power as much as he can by every means. I want this guy out of office. I started out a member of the ACLU, a liberal Democrat. I am now a Tea Party guy. I have been moved right by witnessing events.

    • Don

      Welcome to the real world Richard, Now open the eyes of your friends !!

    • Doc Franklin

      Welcome to the real world! You’re to be congratulated for taking the time to think, many of your prior fellow travelers will never do that.

    • Tom from Idaho

      Richard. Hats off to you! I came from pretty much the same political lineage (northeastern Democrat). It took some time for the epiphany to take place. Jimmy Carter was the last straw (and the last Democrat President I voted for); I was totally embarrassed as an American by his idiocy and just plain softness on our enemies (remind you of anyone right now?. A few years living in some of the more conservative areas of the Midwest started to enlighten me. Then came Ronald Reagan; what a breath of fresh air! We need someone like him right now. Daily I pray that we find him! And, yes, I am a Tea Party person now too. I also pray that we don’t have the same “walking dead” electorate that we had in 2008. Get the word out and educate yourself about this person in the White House if some of you posters on this forum think BHO is doing a “good job”.

    • 45caliber

      Richard:

      Congrats on growing up.

      Ben Franklin once stated, “Any young man who isn’t a liberal has no heart; any old man who isn’t a conservative has no brain.”

    • JC

      Richard, a declaration of martial law in this country right now would probably escalate into a shooting war very quickly. i don’t think the Kenyan or anyone in his cabinet has the stones to try it.

  • Robert

    folks the problem is not just obama. obama is the front end of the entire problem and that is the whole federal legislative, executive, and judicial branches of government. every last one of them needs to be replaced. that is the federal government needs to be dismantled. power returned to each state. and a re-forming of the federal government limited by the constitution, which has even more checks and balances to constrain it. the states can run their own internal affairs satisfactorily and depending on how well they do will depend on if people stay. this will allow continuance of necessary government control so we don’t just roll into anarchy and allow for a reforming of our federal government.

    • Carlucci

      I agree one hundred percent. We’ve got to get back to a very small, very limited federal government. Same with state governments. They are all just too damn big and useless.

  • http://none Karl Larsen

    We need to find the best Republican for the next Presidential vote. I have not seen him or her and have no idea what the skin color is. But we need to get going so we can beat the Democrats. They have sure ruined their chance to win.

    • Lewis Munn

      On the contrary! Remember Nevada? At the last minute the voting computers were were “repaired”, by Union men, and the illegals recruited, and good old Harry coasted in?

      Same thing can be easily done in any election, from Assistant dogcatcher, to President and Congress.

      The trial run worked to perfection. And left no traces! And a lot of puzzled Conservatives!

      • Ret

        It’s been happening for years, but now is so simplified, no paper trail, that I don’t even want to think about 2012.

  • Richard Easton

    By the way, I understand that treaties of the United States prevail over the Constitution. Hillary and Barry are going to sign a UN treaty that will remove the right of citizens to bear arms per the traditional interpretation of the Second Ammendment. If our President is able to be reelected, and carry liberals into office with him, will not our Congress ratify such a treaty? NRA and those who believe that an armed citizenry is a deterrent to tyrany, please comment.

    • Jovianus

      Richard..then you are grossly misunderstanding.

      • Thamera

        Really Jovi? What exactly is the “misunderstanding”? LOLLLLLLL

        • Jovianus

          Thamera….try reading your Constitution every once in awhile, as interpreted by caselaw..you may be enlightened

          “treaties of the United States prevail over the Constitution”

          Any treaty must have consent of the Senate…and the Senate cannot override the Constitution.

          Jeesh….ignorance runs rampant today in the world of the TPers eh?

          Must be you guys are still in shock that your “birther’ movement is proven to be one based on extremist wild insanity and bin Laden was snuffed on orders you guys think is a muslim sympathizer

          Jeesh …

          • JC

            That made no sense at all.

          • 45caliber

            Jovianus:

            The Senate by agreeing to treaties can over-rule the Constitution whenever they wish. There is nothing to stop them from doing that – not even in the Constitution.

          • Jovianus

            45…so your position is if we have some mickey mouse country somewhere, and we make a treaty with them that requires a dictatorship in the US … and such is ratifed by the Senate…the Constitution is no barrier to having a dictatorship?

            Get real….puleeze

          • Thamera

            Puhlease Jovi…you really need to stop making assertions that you have not thought out nor studied thoroughly. You could also stop with the assumptions that you know everything about the people on this board. I have taught government Jovi, have you? I have read the constitution MULTIPLE times as well as the documents, books and philosophies behind the debates and the principles and values that were attributed to the constitution enough to know that YOU do not KNOW what you are spewing! What are you, half way through law school or something? Or maybe, you just didn’t finish but fancy yourself a “constitutional lawyer” LMAO

          • Jovianus

            Thamera, just for you so you can swallow what little pride you may have

            Reid v Covert, 354 US 1 (1957)

            Now, what was that you spouted concerning stating ‘authroitative fact’ about things one has no clue in? A wise man stated something akin to …best to keep your mouth shut and let people think you a fool, than to say something and prove it.

          • Jovianus

            BTW Thamera…I do have to ask…you taught government? Ummmm…teaching first graders how to say the Pledge of Allegiance perhaps? Because from what you’re showing on this board…that’s about all you are qualified for, and even that is doubtful. You should be glad they don’t have competency testing for teachers …

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            JoviANUS, the last part of your user name, fits you well__ANUS!_Your just not getting it, are ya? A Liberal spewing shyte on a Conservative site, makes about as much sense as trying to build a snowball in hell. We don’t hold your so called Liberal truths as credible, why can’t you get that through that thick skull of yours? Your truth doesn’t coincide with ours. The endz don’t justify the means here__get over yourself_-Get your paycheck and take your dollies and go home, like a good little boy! :)

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Angel Wannabe,
            Jovi ANUS trying to make sense about ANYTHING is akin to him sticking his head up his anal orifice and trying to run the 440!!!!!

    • Lewis Munn

      Hillary also wants the UN to control your children, not you, UN will teach them the UN view, from infancy to adultery.

      Obama will start with the UN seizing all “unofficial” guns, and move from there.

      And if you think Global “warming” is bad now, wait until the UN runs it, from fabricated data on. They might just mess up the oceans until the red-purple protozoa that are our sole source of Vitamin B12 are killed, and animal life goes soon after!

      The UN is poiticians, not scientists!!

    • 45caliber

      Unfortunately you are correct. That was why Washington, in his Farewell Address, advised the country to ‘avoid foreign intanglements’. But a lot of Liberals prefer to believe otherwise – like Jovianus does. If they accepted what it said and why the politicians want it they would have to realize that all their beliefs of government were wrong. And when it does come out that they are wrong, there are going to be a lot of lost ex-liberals.

      • Jovianus

        45..I may be wrong, but didn’t Washington warn against “permanent” foreign entanglements? Which I have never stated being against. Actually, it’s a wise statement. It falls within the political theory of Real Politik, which I suscribe to.

        • Jovianus

          45 … I believe you will find it here. I was partially wrong. You were partially correct. Either way…this is an excellent reading …

          http://www.tpromo2.com/gko/files1/entangle.htm

        • Vigilant

          Well, sonny, that explains a lot of your postings, and the true feelings of a statist.

          From Wikipedia: “Realpolitik is a theory of politics that focuses on considerations of power, not ideals, morals, or principles.”

          That comes as no surprise to me. The left in America is interested in power alone. The morals, principles and ideals of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution mean nothing to you. You’re even a lower form of life than I imagined.

  • Richard Easton

    OH, darn it, maybe the Federal Government is NOT the ideal protector of the downtrodden.

    • Ret

      Ya think? Thanks for the smile.

      • Thamera

        ditto that!

    • 45caliber

      I just wish a lot of the liberals would discover the same thing.

  • Stephan F.

    Great piece Robert. You’ve been warning us for years about this dire political situation coming to fruition, but sadly, few have listened. The combination of gradualism and a continual diet of government propaganda and double-speak promoted by the media has done its job well. But we have to add one more missing element to the mix to concoct the witches brew that makes slavery and despotism possible.

    C.J. Maloney summed it up nicely the other night when on Freedom Watch he told the Judge this: “The process in DC happens like this; we send you the money and you send us the votes.” I couldn’t agree more. And if one agrees that this is essentially true, and it is, then a reasonable person would have to ask this question: how & why does this happen and how can we put an end to it?

    There are, of course, many reasons that help explain why government acts in so many stupid ways. But there’s one overlooked issue that I believe is the most important single aspect that reveals why these actions occur. Sadly, it’s almost never mentioned or discussed when considering what motivates government to act in its seemingly irrational ways, with its citizens suffering the inevitable disasters that follow.

    When discussing & debating the problems created by government, one naturally tries to find a basic underlying causality. Wherever I look for the basic causes of these problems I keep coming up with a common set of circumstances that invariably leads me to make this conclusion: That devastating consequences will always result from those incestuous relationships that inevitably occur in a democracy between the greedy, vote-conscious, power-lusting, pandering politicians; and those devious members of the human race who are infected with the “something for nothing” mentality — those members of the mob who vote for a living. The marriage of these two wretched low-lifes tells us a lot about how this country has been brought to its knees, and helps explain the ongoing losses of our Constitutional freedoms. These are the members of that exclusive, secret club, whose #1 goal is to nourish & perpetuate “the system”. And oh what a system it is — talk about having a “vested interest”! They are the ones who have the most to gain by helping it grow & thrive, and the most to lose if it doesn’t. And they manage to hide their underhanded deeds by always acting behind the scenes, seeking and striving for the growth of ever more government. The depraved relationship of these two creatures working for the benefit of each other is the absolute root cause of almost all problems inflicted on society by big government. Eliminate this quid pro quo relationship and almost all of the grief caused by the interaction of these two parasites simply dissolves into thin air. Only then will the great “deadweight” be lifted from the backs of the real wealth producers — those who toil in the private sector.

    When this single government phenomenon is exposed to the public for what it is, it will have a sweeping impact on society as a result of the change I believe will occur in the average person’s mindset and his way of thinking about the limitations on government power. This must happen before we can effect a transformation of the current unconstitutional system of government we continue to be burdened with.

    • JIBBS

      Maybe the country as a whole, should not send in anymore taxes, and bankrupt the government, ………ahhhh, that won’t work, they’ll just print more, and most will still pay.

      • 45caliber

        You just arrived at the real problem. The Feds do not worry about taxes. They make the money so they can spend what they wish. They only take the money to control the population. The states and local governments have to depend upon tax money and so are more readily controlled by the people. That’s why Washington, Jefferson, and other Founding Fathers did NOT want a centralized bank under federal government control.

        • Jovianus

          Ummm…Hamilton was first Sec of Treasury, he supported a central bank. James Madison extended the charter when he became President, and Washington signed the bill creating the first central bank into law. Which of those do you not consider a “Founding Father”?

          i’m not stating for aor against your proposition…just correcting the claim that a centralized bank was not supported by the Founding Fathers , and in specific, Washington…

          • 45caliber

            I’m not sure what you believe constitutes a “central bank”. It isn’t what I consider, I know.

  • Raggs

    obama is currently in an all out fight to get the dream cat passed prior to 2012.. if he manages to do this we will have millions of illegals voting for him..
    Why doesn’t somebody stop this crap once and for all..

    • Lewis Munn

      Raggs, you are nominated as the someone; get busy!

      • Raggs

        I expected that from a liberal communist pig to use my post as a tool to conscrew things as a threat…

    • Don

      Why don’t you go stop it, any ideas !!

  • John Kotalik

    I totally agree with Max Dreier comments. Most comments do not apply to any specific individual but to a system.

  • Rich

    Though I don’t agree with much of what the writer has stated about the political leanings of our president, as many other posts have already pointed out. I do agree with the spirit or at least my interpretation of the intent of this article. Our President and almost every one of his predecessors in my life time, have snubbed and disregarded the constitution, as do our elected politicians in congress. The constitution is written in plain english of the times, though many today think it was not. How many of our laws since around 1913 have been? Why do we take ‘legal precendence’ over constitutional law today? Why are the states being held to the constitution when it plainly and consciencsly was written not to include the states but only the federal government? Don’t get me wrong there are portions of the constitution that were written in such a way to encompass all citizens, that’s called the bill of rights, the rest was to ensurte theat the federal government did overstep the boundries of the states, which they have since Lincoln. Lincoln did not start the civil war over slavery he started it to make the federal government stronger, and only when the French were going to enter the war did he actually decalare slavery illegal to keep them out. Many after this will say I believe in slavery which I don’t, I believe in knowing the past to prevent us from making the same mistakes in the future, which if any of my world history readings and classes can be called upoin is never the case. We are just as ignorant today as we were 1000 years ago allowing our rulers to defraud and steal the fruits of our labors. As one person has said to me before we are nothing more than cave men living in a high tech society never understanding the full implications of the things we ignore.

    • 45caliber

      The South succeded because of States Rights. The North were trying to prevent the South from selling their crops (tobacco and cotton) to Europe instead of the Northern merchants and prevent the South from buying from Europe – instead of the Northern merchants. Further, coal and iron ore had been discovered near Mobile, AL, and the Northe didn’t want the South to industrialize. They even used Congress to pass a law to that affect. When the South objected, they began war. The slavery issue was used to justify the war with the young men of the North rather than inform them that the war was intended to allow the Northern merchants to get richer.

      • Jovianus

        Errr..45…there is more than enough written by the organizers of the southern rebellion showing it was slavery as the number one reason for secession, with “states rights” being a very distant second reason.

        • 45caliber

          Jovianus:

          There were 1200 slave owners in the South at the time of the Civil War. Do you honestly believe that over 300,000 Southern men would give their lives so that 1200 slave owners could keep their slaves? They could have cared less about slavery. I had a great grandfather fighting for the South then. He didn’t even know anyone who owned a slave and hadn’t even seen a slave until he joined the army.

          Slavery was an issue in the North since it was used as propaganda to get the Northern boys to fight. But not in the South. And the South was the ones to leave the union.

          You also have to remember who wrote the history books about it. “The winners write the history books.”

          • Thamera

            And Jovi obviously believes every word of them…

          • Jeremy Leochner

            The only issue Caliber is the spark that ignited secession was the election of Abraham Lincoln whom the south declared an Abolitionist or a “Black Republican”. Also the documents of secession of several of the seceding states make numerous mentions of the threats to the southern way of life and to the anti slavery president and to the current of anti slavery feeling and the growing threat of abolitionism. Finally the Confedrate Constitution makes slavery perpertual in the Confederacy. Many confederates didnt own slaves and even fewer cared one wit about slavery. But it was a part of the cause they fought for. The Union did use such propaganda but not until later in the war. Even then it recieved massive criticism through out the North for turning the War to Restore the Union to a War to Free the Slaves. I dont believe the Southern Cause was based solely on slavery but I dont believe it was simply a matter of States rights either. Regardless of side I feel it is fair to say if the south had its way the nation would have been permanently divided and ultimatly destroyed. With the sincerest respect to the brave men of the Confederate Army and Navy they were valiant honorable men but I feel if they had gotten what they fought for our country would have been lost forever.

          • Jovianus
          • Vigilant

            I find myself in the unenviable position of supporting Jovianus on this one.

            There’s absoluitely no doubt that slavery was the major cause of the Civil War, and no amount of revisionist history can change that FACT.

            As stated, the constitution of the CSA and the statements/constitutions of the rebel states proves the point.

            If you want history, CHECK THE SOURCE DOCUMENTS FROM THE PERIOD IN QUESTION. All one has to do is read the partly platforms of the Democratic and Republican parties in 1856 and 1860. The largest number of party planks of both platforms dealt with slavery, not tariffs or taxes.

          • 45caliber

            Jeremy:

            The War to Reunite the Union was illegal. The states had the right to leave the union and form their own nation. The rest did not have the right to force them to stay in it.

            Further, you can look at what happened after the war ended to see that I was right. The North did NOT free their own slaves until several years later when the ex-Union troops realized that whole slavery issue was a farce. The only reason the Emancipation Proclamation was made was to encourage the blacks in the South to rebel. It didn’t work. In fact, there were blacks who fought FOR the South. And when Sherman marched across the South many black slaves fought to defend their plantation homes.

            There were indeed Southern planters who were interested in maintaining their slaves. Some were instrumental in writing the various papers. BUT – I still stand by what I say after years of research into it – the majority of the South could care less if the slaves were freed. It didn’t affect them. What did was the monetary restrictions that forced them to sell only to the Northern merchants and buy only from them. To make things more interesting, the Congress placed price restrictions on farmers trying to sell their crops. Their excuse was to prevent farmers from starving city people who couldn’t afford the food. Actually it was meant to prevent the farmers from getting too much money. It was only tobacco and cotton that enabled plantation owners to make any money – and only then if they sold to Europe markets.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            But Caliber what would you have the other states and the president do. Consent to the disunion and distruction of the country. Perhaps yes the states had the right to argue against the federal government but to secede is to break up the nation and threaten its exsistence. So I would not call it illegal to prevent the break up of the nation.
            As to slavery I will concede that yes the main focus of the Emancipation Proclamation was to encourage slaves to revolt or run away and while some did some were in fact loyal to the south. But I will say Lincoln genuinly hated slavery and wanted it to end and used the Proclamtion to do that. But his focus was on restoring the Union and ending Slavery was still secondary to him. However as to the North freeing its slaves that was due to the Thirteenth Amendment which Lincoln himself strongly supported and helped push through to help destroy the very evil of slavery itself everywhere. I have always believed many and most Southerns saw themselves as fighting for a noble cause of States Rights and their way of life. I will not question their integrity but I will say that they were ultimatly fighting for a nation that made slavery legal and perpetual against a nation founded on liberty and equality for all and a President who wanted those rights to go to all. Lincoln once said “A House Divided Cannot Stand.” Slavery was what divided the house and cut at the very foundation of our republic. Yes there were issues but nothing unlike what issues we discuss nowadays. None cut at who everyone was as an Amercican. Slavery produced the division and in so doing sparked the war. Without victory for the Union and an end to slavery there would be no American Republic today and one of the several countries that would now exsist between Canada and Mexico would have slavery or at the least something not unlike apartheid in South Africa. I mean no disrespect to you or the soldiers of the South. But while I cant and wont question their valor, integrity or honor I can question the nation to which they professed loyalty to and in which they fought so hard for. I believe if they had had as they wished and fought terrible things would have resulted for our country for both Black and White, Rich and Poor, Southern and Northern.

    • Jovianus

      Rich….criminey. Read some SCOTUS opinions will ya? They not only give the ruling as to whether something falls within constitutional bounds..but also why it does and the reasoning applied. I am fond of Holmes, Douglas, Learned Hand. Toss in Cardozo when he sat in the Court of Appeals and you’d be ahead of 99% of the folks who spout constitutional applications on this board.

  • karolyn

    Anybody wants to hear Ron Paul interviewed on NPR; he is on right now at 10:09 est.

    • Conservative at Birth

      Ron Paul is not electable because of his belief in open borders. He could not get elected as a Libertarian so he ran and was elected as a Republican. My neighbors foolishly wasted their votes in 2008, by writing in Ron Paul. When I told them that they wasted their votes, they became angry. When I told them that they actually voted for Obama by omission his wife slapped me.

    • karolyn

      I listened to as much of the interview as I was able to. He really did not come across all that well. I did not like him saying that the government should not help people who are the victims of natural disasters. He said they should have insurance or not live there. Ridiculous! First of all, tornadoes are occurring in places they’ve never been before. Secondly, some people do not have the money to move and have lived where they do for generations. Third, a lot of people can’t afford insurance. Fourth, what happens if there are so many disasters, the insurance companies run out of money? Oh, well, just let the people suffer and die! I understand the premise. I have always felt that people who live on the shoreline need to be prepared for whatever happens and that there should not be beach replenishment. Usually, people who have shore property have the money to take care of themselves. However, I do believe it is the job of the government, which is after all us, to take care of its own in time of crisis.

      • 45caliber

        karolyn:

        The real problem of the government taking care of things in an emergency is that they don’t. Take Katrina. They didn’t get things going there for many days. The responders, who tried to help, were actually hindered by the government.

        (For instance, electrical workers tried to go from Houston to NO to help. Before they were allowed in they had to go to Atlanta – far beyond where they needed to go – to take a class on FEMA and what it was supposed to do. They went, despite the distance, paying for their travel and food costs, and then had to sit in a hotel for a week before they set up the day-long class. And it did NOTHING to help them do anything in NO when they finally got there.)

        The government has their own things they want to accomplish. It doesn’t matter which party officially is in charge since the government is primarily hired bureaucrats and secretaries. Taking care of the victims is far down the line of things they want. The other things (such as who is in charge, who gets to spend the money, etc.) come first. And generally most of the money is spent on them. What gets to the victims is seldom a tithe of what is spent. Take the Welfare Dept. for instance. Only about 3% of the money gets to those on welfare; the rest is used in administration by those in the Welfare Dept.

        So it is NOT the government who really helps in an emergency. It is the volunteers who show up. Many are from electric companies (and paid by them) but a lot of them are church members from other areas.

        However, I don’t believe ignoring those in a disaster area is a good way to run a government either. One reason I keep saying that Ron Paul is an excellent Congressman (mine in fact) but would make a lousy President.

        • Jovianus

          45…as for your references to FEMA and the electrical workers…’Way to go Brownie!”

          Most importantly, a quick bit of research shows you are correct in the amount being paid in direct cash to welfare recipients. 73% of the budget is dedicated to recipeients. 27% is spent on agency administratrion. The bulk of the monies are paid either via vouchers or subsidies.

      • Thamera

        all I hear from karolyn is a lot of “I Can’t” as is the mentality of most people on the govt. dole.

  • asmithington

    WOW!!!

  • Harry Buttle

    A CEO, a Tea Party voter and a union member sit down for a snack. Twelve cookies are served. The CEO takes eleven and then tells the Tea Party voter to make sure the communist doesn’t steal his cookie. The richest 20% of Americans own 85% of the wealth, leaving 15% for the other 80%. How rich do they have to be? You’re being played.

    • Doc Franklin

      If that’s truly the way it is Harry, why complain? Just simply start your own business and be the CEO, then you get the 11 cookies. Someone once said ignorance is bliss ….. I guess it must be.

    • 45caliber

      Harry:

      Who paid for the cookies? If it was the CEO then he can split up the cookies any way he likes. You sort of forgot that part.

      • Vigilant

        Good point. Without the CEO, there would be no cookies at all.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Robert Amen Proverbs 29 speaks to this type ruler.

  • cerebus23

    It is far too late to save this nation, there will be a collapse there will be a 2nd american revolution, we will be pushed to the brink of starvation and have a staggering loss in living standard. It is not a question of if it will happen but when.

    Obama might be able to hasten it, but i seriously doubt anyone could get in there and fix no matter their political leanings. The US government hand and hand with the “fed” has been pushing down our currency for the better part of 10 years. Deficit spending in the name of wars in the name of keeping our economy out of recession in the name of new massive federal programs and social spending. Republican and democrat they spent and spent they spend more then they took in they spent more than we can afford and they did it with impunity and absolutely no thought of the tax burden our children and grandchildren could face, they did it with no thought of the fact that you could tax everyone 100% take all they have and not put a dent in the national debt.

    Gross stupidity or a concerted plan to ruin this nation that spread through both parties and the white house?

    The international community has expressed a lack of faith in the us dollar for years now, back during bush we heard other countries express dismay at how far the value of the dollar had dropped, guided by the bush white house and the fed. Toss in our massive deficit spending to the point that even china was getting skittish about buying it up.

    We have passed the point of no return, the international community will remove the USD as an international currency. It may happen in 2 year it may happen in 6 years but it will happen sooner rather than later. And when it happens the US economy will utterly collapse.

    The fed will no longer be able to just goto the magic printing press and print money to cover our spending, at which point the US government will not even be able to cover their spending and pay simple interest on the national debt. At which point the US government will collapse.

    Oh sure they will try to claw to power and keep control, but you think when the dollar has all the value of a piece of toilet paper, that food water clothing and all our commodities cost 100s or 1000s times more than they do now, that this country will fall into a state of chaos and total anarchy that we have not seen in our lifetimes anywhere.

    Can any of you look at our government and say with a straight face that even if the most died in the wool liberterian got into the white house by some miracle they really could dismantle the federal government? That they could abolish the massive regulations and anti business and free market measures the feds have piled on over the years. That they can destroy obama care, dismantle social security and medicare? Enforce strict term limits on all branches of government, force congress to never pass a law that they are not bound by.

    All steps that must be wholly or partially taken to even start to get this nation back on a course that is near what the founding fathers envisioned. Heck some of the founding fathers would say that we are about 80 years past when when we should have overthrown the government to keep our freedoms.

    Add to this entire mess is that fact that many of our states are in dire financial chaos, and we have the perfect storm for this country to implode.

    • 45caliber

      cerebus23:

      I once sat down and tried to dermine exactly how to get out from under this debt. There are several ways.

      1) We pay it off. I can’t see any way to do it and I don’t believe our politicians will even attempt it.

      2) We declare bankruptcy or 3) we repudiate it. I believe that if we try to do either, the court system will give much of our resources and land to other countries as payment – which would mean that we woudl be owned by them.

      4) We can set up a world government for all countries. It probably wouldn’t end our debt problem but it would delay it and give some wiggle room. Since I expect to see any world government insisting that all such debts (we aren’t the only one with debts) be settled by deeding land, it would go back to item 2. And they would want this that way since it would tend to destroy country borders if each country owned parts of other countries.

      5) We have a civil war. And this is looking more and more like it all the time. If the right group wins, then we start afresh.

      6) We divide the country as the USSR did. Then they can insist that the debt no longer exists since the country no longer exists – even if most of the country remains together. I can see this happening as the politicians would all want to have a country of their own to be President of. I’m glad I’m in Texas, as I expect it to be the most viable of any part of the US.

      • cerebus23

        I could see our country splitting in two the liberal left coast and the conservative south and the ne a mixed bag of the two could go either way.

        I fully see a civil war breaking out, as the federal government tries to cling to power, that got us in this mess to begin with, thing is how would a civil war break down, we have neo anarchists, liberals, conservatives, communists, and the vast majority the silent middle.

        What groups will band together? Who would be the best financed? Have the proper support lines, who will get external funding from where? It is not out of the realm that people like george soros will fund the anarchists or the liberals, even china and russia might back leftists and communists seeing an opportunity to totally take america over as a puppet state.

        I mean there are any number of wild number of ways that any civil war could play out, and what side would the us military take in any civil war?

        If the economy and the government collapses in one fell swoop we are looking at riots, looting, martial law, disease, loss of basic services like garbage collection power water sewage since many states cannot function of your currency is worthless.

        It will be total and complete chaos, what groups could possibly function well enough during all that to fight a war for the future of our county and do it with a currency that is worthless, and have food water and supplies to support that.

        While guns and ammo are aplenty in this nation, vast stocks of food and supplies will be hard to come by as time rolls on and most of those will most likely be held by the us military if not the federal government that is left standing.

        Bottom line is our friends family relatives will be caught in the crossfire no matter how it plays out. And there is no guarantee who will come out on top.

        One thing that is clear after all these years and the state our nation is in is that government is not the solution to our problems but is the root of all our problems, i would personally like to punch obama in the mouth for that one statement alone that government is the solution to our problems.

        Government provide4d us with regulations and anti free market laws that make it difficult for businesses to function, not the minimum wage or standards of living or one of the highest coroprate tax rates in the world, all the laws and red tape that make it near impossible for businesses to actually get started and to function.

        Government told banks that they had to provide loans to at risk people in every increasing percentages, and caused the banking collapse just about single handedly, High risk loans for houses that are vastly overvalued to people that cannot afford those loans was not predatory lending but government telling banks that they had to provide those loans.

        Government took social security and medicare and robbed it blind, now we can debate that they should have never been created in the first place, that it was outside the scope of the powers that the federal government had, but once it was made politicians continually robbed the funds to pay for their spending. Even in the face of the looming crisis that the baby boomer generation would be retiring soon and cause a shortfall.

        Estimations is that to fix SS and medicare will cost 4 trillion dollars. ANd any attempts to try and take any action to stem the tide have been brushed under the carpet by congress saying thing like oh we got 40 years no big deal.

        Add to the fact the SS and medicare will likely be null and void for anyone under the age of 40 for sure. Many peoples 401k plans were decimated by the banking collapse, thank you federal government.

        I am for kicking it old school getting back to the base constitution and the bill of rights. But with much harsher limitations on federal powers. Like making it take a 3/4 majority of congress and the states to enact any federal program that creates a new division of the federal government.

        But will we be able to get there?

        Me i would say to anyone that has the means, do not bother with stocking up food water silver gold guns etc, get out of the country now. Get to canada mexico parts of the eu anywhere that is not here, renounce your citizenship, get all our currency converted over to franks pounds marks yen whatever that is not the usd. Because once things goto hell in a handcart the us government and other governments will close down the borders and immigration out of the US to stem the tide of rat leaving a sinking ship. And any USd you have then will be worth nothing.

        Or are you really ready to roll the dice, defend your property and life by potentially warring with your community and neighbors and killing people and hope that things work out eventually.

        Either way dark times are ahead. And i think things will get much much worse before they get better, and what will the nation be after all is said and done?

        • 45caliber

          I will agree that there are dark times ahead one way or another.

          In the event of a civil war, I would expect to see the Southern states and the western half of the US on one side (except California) with the eastern half minus the south with California on the other side. The military will split according to state lines – but MOST of the military come from the south and west. In fact, according to what was told to several people including my wife at a Military Moms meeting several years ago, 1 of every 8 soldiers in the military are from Texas. The South and the West have more military sites and raw materials. The East and California has more people. Who would win? I don’t really know – but I do know that libs make lousy soldiers. They are too concerned with personal safety and little concerned about the safety of the other soldiers with them, which is called bad morale.

          If the country were to dissolve, I would expect to see NE, the South, Florida, Texas (plus likely OK, AR, and LA), the SW, California, The NW, the Plains states, and the states such as IL, IN, OH, IO, and so on in their own countries. There would also be groups viaing for their own countries such as the Cubans in FL, the different Indian tribes in some areas, the La Raza, etc.

          It might split peacefully but won’t remain that way long. We would see fighting between these groups and I would expect Mexico at least to invade the SW since they insist that we “stole” it from them – despite the papers showing we bought most of it.

          It takes three things to really make a successful country: population, military presence, and raw materials. Texas has all three. NE has the people and some military presence. The only raw material of any significance is coal. The South has some raw materials such as the iron ore at Mobile, AL, and the people but the raw materials aren’t that prevalent and the military presence is moderate. California is up in the air. Most of the rest of the country may have one or two items but not really all three.

          So I’m glad I’m in Texas.

        • 45caliber

          As far as a total breakdown – I can see it but I don’t, if that makes sense.

          Yes, I can see it happening. In fact, I expect some of it to start. And when it does, I expect to see a nuke used on it. Not as a ground blast to destroy everyone but as an ariel blast to shut down all electronics via EMP wave. No power, no transportation. That means in many places, no water and no food, particularly long term. And little way to get out. That is what we must prepare for. Then I expect to see the military forced to come in and take control to keep people from shooting each other. The politicians will sit in Washington (which is the only place partially protected from EMP waves) and pretend to direct everything while using the blank area as a bad example of what could happen elsewhere if people don’t obey.

          In that case I expect to see a civil war start as the military refuses to force a dictatorship on everyone and Washington threatening to use nukes on everyone.

          I don’t expect invasion by other countries but I do expect them to try to step in to get things settled down, at least diplomatically. And that can then go in several directions.

          • cerebus23

            Well i do not see the possibility of a emp type nuke attack by our own government, especaily in light that all our social and public services would be spotty or out of commission entirely already. I mean you have a currency that is beyond worthless, states that are going bankrupt now and a situation that will exasperated if our currency is worthless overnight.

            Populations will be incensed that their bank accounts and credit will be worth next to nothing in no time that food and services will be insanely expensive or just pure unaffordable, because of the inflation and the government collapse, and a great deal of our USD value is solely based on the solivence of our government. If there is no confidence in our government to be had than any remaining value of the dollar is essentially gone.

            The major problem is that this will hit the entire nation at once. Not some gradual thing. No state will be wholly immune to it.

            The more global part of my brain says that china that has been undertaking the largest military moderinization and expansion in world history in the last decade or so, could try to run a power grab at the same time. Maybe the fall of the USA is the catalyst for that buildup. After all we would be in no position to honor our defensive contracts with certain count6ries over in that region that china has had an eye on for decades. Or they could very well simply invade a united states that is a shambles, course this is way out there but i do not wholly discount it, since china has not been beefing up its military and its hacking capabilities for nothing these last 10 years or more.

            And in a US collapse china would be the last standing superpower in the true sense of the word.

            All the more reason for china to continue to buy up our debt and allow us to hang ourselves.

            I could see the states breaking down that way, i could also see cali breaking apart entirely god knows that state is in dreadful financial shape that a economic and government collapse would just make magnitudes worse.

        • Doc Franklin

          I too have pontificated over the quagmire our government has created for all of us many, many times. There is nothing in your comment that I can disagree with. I wish I could and for good factual reasons, but alas, the facts support your thoughts. Unfortunately, only so many rats will be able to make the cruise to more friendly shores. I’ve told many friends, someday there will be a wall between us and Mexico, but not to keep them out, to keep us in. You must have serfs to extract revenues from.

          • cerebus23

            I hope i am wrong i really do i hope that somehow some president and politicians get in that care more for the nation as a whole and will get down to making the tough choices to right this ship, but the way politics is played now days, the fact that the federal government will never give up power it has obtained in the name of public service or emergency or security, means that likely they will play at everything is fine until it is far too late, if we have not already gone over that waterfall.

            We really need a george washington, or abe lincoln in this modern time, people that put principle and conviction above political expediency and put their country and the constitution and the bill of rights first. But i see noone that really fits that bill and the few politicans that are out there are labeled nutjobs by the national media and the wholly bloated wings of the republican and democratic parties, that will do anything to keep the status quo and hold onto their power.

            Problem for them is they will lose that power overnight, if they keep behaving the way they are now, because one thing is clear the majority of politicans use the constitution and the bill of rights as pure lip service and while taking a oath to protect and defend they have done nothing but shread those documents in order to pad their egos and their purse linings and personal power.

            And if this plays out as some of us think it will this time the government will not have oil executives to pull up in front of them or banking executives or military leaders, so they can do their dog and pony show and point the finger at everyone but themselves.

  • Buddy

    You’re right, Cerebus23. The problem will be that when it falls, a lot of use will be crushed by the debris.

  • ChristianPatriot

    Isnt it true to be said that America has one of the most lax and inconsistent voting standards across the board? Isnt it true that America or rather our Congress and such would do anything to swing votes in there direction when they squirm and are going to lose… like having dead people vote for them, or multiple votes from the same person, or hacking computer systems for the votes, or demanding recounts and then stated above using illegals to swing the election. Unsure if voting will actually take Obummer out unless it is a landslide victory. Anything short of that will be cheated and he will be reinstated and were all doomed more than now. I may not understand (without loooking up) all the ridiculous garbage that goes into political run offs and the non sense language that goes into it but I do understand this ridiculous president who SURROUNDS himself with red flag commie socialists and IS DOING A PRETTY DAMN GOOD JOB OF WIPING WHAT IS LEFT OUT OF OUR SOVEREIGN NATION. Spend, spend, spend… Yeah he has done so much for us while spending as much time on the golf course and lush vacations that cost BIG MONEY for him to take his “crew” with him. Yeah the President is a stressful job but what the hell is he doing really? He is milking free money as the POTUS and partying it up!!!! Meanwhile the thug unions and commie nations are all standing in line to help him out in turning us into a third world nation. Our borders are not safe yet him and his cronies say they are and reduce security on the borders. Fools who stick for this Obamanation… Just another puts waiting for their Obama money. You think the people in the ground that have died for this country are rolling in their graves right now… WWII vets…you think they watched their friends get slaughtered for years to have some schmuck come in and take away what they worked and bleed for? H*LL NO!! You are a ZOMBIE if you beleive in this hope and dreams CRAP that oozes from his pores. I pity you Obama believers… A miracle of the sort that would blow the doors off is what is needed for this nation to turn around and to survive and I highly doubt its the voters that will wake up and figure it out. The POTUS is going to go after the young voters for his ace in the hole this time… the young kids 18+ are the hard target. Nieve and gullible…

    • 45caliber

      Christian:

      Oblama has already stated that he expects to spend over a billion dollars on his reelection. That’s four times or so what he spent last time – which was more than ever spent before. He intends to buy his election. Even this report of Bin Laden being killed was as much a personal hype for his reelection as anything. Listen to what is said about him rather than the actual attack and you’ll agree.

    • Doc Franklin

      You’re absolutely right, he didn’t use his veto pen the way I would have, I did not approve of his “No Child Left Behind”, his Medicare Prescription Drug Program and the fact that he condoned pork barrel spending by not vetoing some things. I wish he would have had the line item veto. Some of it was not vetoed because it was tied to other critical spending bills. That’s something I wish congress would change. In other words, each bill should address a specific item rather than allowing them to attach a bunch of wasteful unrelated crap to it. Bush also had some unusual unanticipated expenditures because of 9/11. I absolutely did not agree with his bail out of the financial markets. In spite of Bush’s deficiencies, Obama makes him look like a rank amateur when it comes to pissing off money. In spite of his errors, I truly believe GWB loved this country and was not trying to destroy it. I cannot say the same for BO. Don’t think I’m some blind republican supporter, because I absolutely am not. I’m a staunch conservative and constitutionalist and am very unhappy with the wimps in the Republican Party who like to play Democrat (Marxist) Lite.

  • Mike

    I’m not sure what Obama’s true end game is… One can only speculate until it happens. But I do know much of what he promises is an outright lie- generally the opposite comes true:

    * He promised peace and a “new era” in the Middle East. Yet he has done nothing to bring the troops home and in fact is now part of a third war. This seems interesting given that so many US voters had become disgusted with the Bush doctrine. They were so upset that they were willing to vote for the most unqualified candidate we have ever seen. Clearly, Obama’s foreign policy is no different.

    * Spread the Wealth. If anything, the rich have gotten richer, the poor have gotten poorer, and the middle class (the engine of America) are being driven off the face of the earth.

    * Promised to close Quantanamo and do away with torture methods. It remains open, and it turns out information from prisoners there led to the elimination of Bin Laden.

    As far as the debt problem… We may see some results this summer. $14.3 trillion is the magic number.

    • http://kvci.blogspot.com George Boston Rhynes

      Well said! I hope you find some good things to say about somebody during your life. I cananot speak ill of you without making myself look bad in the eyes of the creative force that creator me. We have been informed in the Volume of Sacred Law NOT to speak ill of any man or woman but to always give way to fasting and praying for one another caught up in a fault or sin. Therefore, I will pray with you understand some good in every life source that or God created for his own purpose. Again, it is commanded of us to look others fault and turn to ourelves to see if our heart is filled with love and understanding and not caught up in our own sins. I will be praying for you, and I will also ask God to repent himself if he has made a mistake in one of his created beings. Pease and keep spreading your truth n 2011

    • 45caliber

      Mike:

      I fully beleive that one reason for the push against the middle class is because ALL REVOLT COMES FROM THE MIDDLE CLASS.

      Therefore there has been a concentrated attack on them for as long as I can remember. The attempt is to eliminate us. The rich don’t care if you move from the middle class to the poor class or to the rich class. If you move to the poor class you are too concerned about your next meal to worry about trying to find a way to attack them. If you move to the rich class, they expect you to support them to insure you keep your wealth. They just want to insure that there is no middle class to challenge them.

      Take a real look at the world. How many countries can you name that has a viable middle class in today’s world?

  • Noel

    Mr. Ringer is 100% correct in his assesment. Please read Jim Marrs book on Rule by Secrecy, it is absolutley chilling to see unfolding what he wrote about. The monkeys voted for a free dollar that they will pay a terrible price for. What fools ye mortals be!

  • Bob

    The big government politicians talk in terms of how much of our money they allow us to keep. The debate needs to become how much money are we going to give to them.

  • Doug

    You are absolutely a moron, nut case! Obama hired the greediest capitalist on Wall Street he could find and put them in charge of the Treasury Department. Tim Geithner, Larry Summers, and Bernarke are well entrenched and they are the leading promoters and protectors of the capitlists in this country. You certainly excel as propogandists and purveyors of misformation.

    • 45caliber

      Doug:

      ALL Republicans AND Democrats support the capitalists. That’s the only place they can get the quantity of money they want and need. Any remarks to the contrary are simply made to confuse the rest of us. Further, most of them are PART of those capitalists. Do you really, honestly believe that Kennedy, Oblama, and the other millionares are really willing to give up their own wealth to make others more wealthy? It doesn’t matter if they talk of taxing the rich or not – they ARE the rich. Any tax bill they may pass to raise taxes on the rich also has enough loopholes in it to insure they don’t actually have to pay it. Or they do as several were exposed of doing – not paying any taxes at all and using their positions in politics (not all are actually in office) to insure the IRS doesn’t bother them.

  • michele

    Obama, isnot the one to fear. We know what he is all about. He never hid it. The one we have to fear are the 52% of total idiots who elected him….

  • 45caliber

    I personally don’t think Oblama is that smart. I think he is only doing what he is being told and cashing his pay checks. He was picked for that sole purpose. Then, if things hit the fan, he will be the token victim while the real perpatrators of this fiasco walk away scot free. But by sticking out his neck, he is/will be paid literally billions of dollars for his efforts.

    • Doc Franklin

      He isn’t. He’s a head start, affirmative action, pass through “oppressed minority” that got elected by a large block of fellow travelers with their ever dependent hands held out. He’s a prima fascia case of the Peter Principle, and has been definitely been placed way above his pay grade.

  • Donald

    Ringer is paranoid!

  • RicSeag

    Here come the liberals with all the highfalutin readin’ and facts an’ stuff:

    http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

    No one has eased the debt more, over the last 30 years, than the Republican presidents. These are the facts…. Something in short supply amongst you Teapugs!

    • 45caliber

      When Reagon became President he was very worried about the government debt. He appointed the Grace Commission to determine what could be done to pay it off.

      They found out that we really didn’t have a debt at that time. The FHA alone had more than double the debt in treasury notes from other countries. Other departments also had a large number of such notes from using their excess money for that purpose.

      The Grace Commission expired and became the Citizens Against Government Waste. They are still around … and still trying to reduce spending. (The only thing I disagree with them about is NASA. They want to eliminate it – despite the fact that NASA research has done more to advance our country than anything else done in the last century.)

      The debt has climbed but only became really bad in the last three years. I no longer believe we have enough foreign treasury notes to cover it any more. In fact, I doubt if any of those would be honored if we tried to cash them to cover our own debts.

      • Carlucci

        The Grace Commission also reported that all of the income tax dollars went towards paying the INTEREST on the national debt – not paying the debt down.

        • 45caliber

          carlucci:

          You are correct. It did – because they didn’t try to pay off the debt. It was also at that time that they quit talking about the debt and started talking about the deficeit instead. They found that they had enough foreign bonds and treasury notes to pay it off – but didn’t since they were fairly certain that if they tried the countries would default on the loans. But the politicians (of both parties) decided that we didn’t need to worry about the debt because ON PAPER we didn’t have one. But at the same time they didn’t want see any reason to stop borrowing more money and stop overspending because – after all – we had all that excess paper too.

  • RicSeag

    Here come the liberals with all the highfalutin readin’ and facts an’ stuff:
    http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

    No one has raised the debt more, over the last 30 years, than the Republican presidents. These are the facts…. Something in short supply amongst you Teapugs!

    • Doc Franklin

      The purse strings are owned by congress. Check who ruled the congress during the Republican administrations, that’s where you will find the spenders. I don’t want to give you a headache by forcing you to think, but check out the revenue versus spending increases during those years. There was only one Democratic president who cut spending during the last 60 or so years, it was Clinton. Why did he cut? Guess who owned congress for his last 6 years ……. Republicans. Gee, is there a connection? You figure it out.

      • Dennis Patrick

        How do you explain away that George W had a Republican congress for 6 years. Was it Nancy Pelosi’s fault then?

        Then 2007-2009: did George W give up his veto pen? Afraid to man-up to Nancy-pants?

        • Doc Franklin

          You’re absolutely right, he didn’t use his veto pen the way I would have, I did not approve of his “No Child Left Behind”, his Medicare Prescription Drug Program and the fact that he condoned pork barrel spending by not vetoing some things. I wish he would have had the line item veto. Some of it was not vetoed because it was tied to other critical spending bills. That’s something I wish congress would change. In other words, each bill should address a specific item rather than allowing them to attach a bunch of wasteful unrelated crap to it. Bush also had some unusual unanticipated expenditures because of 9/11. I absolutely did not agree with his bail out of the financial markets. In spite of Bush’s deficiencies, Obama makes him look like a rank amateur when it comes to pissing off money. In spite of his errors, I truly believe GWB loved this country and was not trying to destroy it. I cannot say the same for BO. Don’t think I’m some blind republican supporter, because I absolutely am not. I’m a staunch conservative and constitutionalist and am very unhappy with the wimps in the Republican Party who like to play Democrat (Marxist) Lite.

          • RicSeag

            Now admit that all those things you just bemoaned – don’t forget to add in $1T in war spending – were all passed to him by Republican congresses!

            The truth is very liberating, Doc!

          • RicSeag

            The only thing you are is a rabid hater…. You admit Bush made the same mistakes that Obama is, but Bush “loved his country” and “had good intentions” while Obama “hates America” and us trying to “destroy America”. What the hell do you know of either man’s intentions?

            You’re just a rabid hater who wouldn’t see the truth if it bit you nose!

          • Doc Franklin

            I never admitted any such thing. And yes I can judge motive, I know both men well. Rabid, you wouldn’t know a negri body if it smacked you in the face

          • 45caliber

            RicSeag:

            Yes, he did run up a large war cost. Ah … you did know that the Dems voted for it too, didn’t you?

      • RicSeag

        Reagan had the Senate for the first 6 years of his time….

        Republican presidents have the signing pen, are they too timid to use it? Clinton used his pen to veto stuff he didn’t agree with. Bush was in year 7 before he used his veto pen – after he’d set 3 records for deficit spending. Did he use it to veto spending? No He used it to stop stem cell research.

        Facts are stubborn….

        • Doc Franklin

          Reagan increased revenues to the federal coffers by 100%, unfortunately congress spent $1.87 for every $1.00 increase in revenues. You’re correct, facts are stubborn. Embryonic Stem Cell research and Abortion are two highly charged moral issues for many of the taxpayers in this country that truly have a spiritual conflict with it and for that reason, those should be funded exclusively with private money (in my opinion).

          • RicSeag

            Ask former OMB Director under Reagan David Stockman who was responsible for the budgets under Reagan. Congress CUT Reagan’s budget requests in 7 of the 8 Reagan submitted. I have asked Stockman personally…. Reagan wanted the programs if Eisenhower but the votes associated with the tax cuts. He was a buffoon who put us on the unsustainable path that we all now enjoy!

        • Doc Franklin

          Since I can’t respond to your “liberating and 1Trillion$” comment above, I’m doing it here. I don’t need liberating, I’m already there. As for the $1T, although I believe we did the right thing in going to war, I don’t agree with how we did it, but that’s a huge discussion that would take much of the day. However, suffice it to say “If you think an oppressed people of 40+ yrs are going to immediately jump up and walk by their selves and rejoice in your coming upon being liberated, you’re naive, and I want 2 Trillion in Iraqi oil given to us to pay for war expenses.

          • Doc Franklin

            Once Again, I can’t reply to your post. If you think Reagan was a buffoon, you know nothing about the man and are simply spewing platitudes of which you know nothing. He was quite well informed, well spoken, well read and wrote and/or personally edited many of his speeches. He was unfortunately one of last great patriotic presidents. He was simply the GREATEST president since George Washington. Obama is not worthy of shining his shoes. Put down intended!!!

          • Thamera

            After reading ricseags posts he reminds me of nothing more than a little “ankle biter” Thanks for standing your ground Doc.

          • 45caliber

            Doc:

            Actually, the majority of the Iraqis did rejoice in our coming. The MSM was careful to not show it. Ask any returning soldier what the Iraqis think.

            One of the local news stations in Houston sent a reporter to Iraq a few weeks after it was liberated. I watched the national news and then his segment. And I was interested to note the differences. The national news had one of Saddam’s supporters on, safe in his home. He insisted that everything was terrible with power out, danger (to him since the locals didn’t like Saddam supporters) in the streets, etc. The local man instead was outside on the streets. Iraqis were running up and thanking him for what America had done. When he asked about the power problem, one of them shrugged (he had dozens around him) and said, “Even America can’t fix everything in a day. But we know it will be done.”

            Two every different reports. But typical of MSM news.

          • Doc Franklin

            45 Caliber
            What I was referring to was the fact the whole country would be scared to death to come out and rejoice until they were certain the Saddam and his brutal sons were dead and gone for fear of reprisals. I know the overwhelming majority of them were glad to see us, it’s just that they were brutally oppressed for so long, they would be afraid to greet us in the street until there was no way Saddam and his henchmen could hurt them again.

        • RicSeag

          Good ol’ Thamera….

          Can’t argue the facts, attack the messenger. They call your logic the ad hominem attack.

          Just so you know, it’s widely considered a sign of intellectual weakness.

          • Doc Franklin

            In point of fact, an ad hominem attack is an emotional attack made against an individual and not one based strictly on the evidence. Intellect plays no role. Thamera’s response to you would not qualify as ad hominem, she simply anthropomorphicised you comments into a visual corollary.

          • Thamera

            Thank you Doc

    • Doc Franklin

      No one has raised the debt more in the history of this country than your fellow traveler in the White House. In 24 months, the National Debt went from 9.5 Trillion to 12.8 Trillion, the annual deficit in year one was almost 1.5 Trillion and this year 1.8 Trillion, but hey, he “saved or created” 3 million jobs right? That of course is why the real unemployment rate is 20% or higher (much lower among illegals). But hey, not to worry, your “friend in the business” has a plan …… let’s make more monopoly money, spend it on empty repossessed houses on Park Place and Boardwalk, let’s keep them borders wide open so we can move illegals into the empty houses so we can charge them rent (of course we will give them the rent money, along with food stamps, medical care etc), will increase all the taxes on the folks over on Vermont Street and Illinois Ave, repossess the Reading and the B & O Railroads. Once we drive the rest of the folks off of the Board, since they won’t be able to afford the taxes and we’ll have no revenue, will just print more monopoly money, driving up prices, so what’s left of the folks money will flow into our hands faster, then we’ll pay off all our debt with money, that no one will accept. That’s your genius in the oval office’s economic plan. If you want prosperity, don’t earn more, spend more right!!!

      • 45caliber

        I can’t see he created a lot of jobs but he certainly saved a lot of government jobs. And he certainly created a lot of czar jobs. So far all the new jobs I’ve heard about are ALL government jobs.

        • Doc Franklin

          And at premium wages and benefits.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    A good point. It should refute the myth that there’s no difference between the GOP and democraps. Many of us get frustrated with RINOs and GOP wimps who cower to liberal democraps. E.g. people are disillusioned with John Boehner. But shouldn’t we also be thankful that Nasty Pelousy no longer holds his position in The House?? (IMO, San Fran-wacko voters should pat themselves on the back for re-electing the worst woman in America by an 80% landslide!!) He may be weak and timid, but at least Boehner (or any other republican I can think of) is not a leftwing radical who wants to deliberately destroy America and its economy, and transform us into a Marxist utopia. Likewise with potential GOP nominees to challenge BHO next year. I hope we can defeat RINOs like Mitt-nitwit Romney and Donald Chump. But even if we can’t get a solid conservative nominee, it’s most important that BHO be defeated in 11/2012. VOTE WISELY!!

    • 45caliber

      Earl:

      I don’t believe that Pelousy was elected by an 80%+ landslide. I think the computers there were rigged just like they were in Nevada – they counted votes she didn’t receive for her. Boxer was the same way. All polls showed they MIGHT win but it would be close. And polls aren’t that far off.

      • Doc Franklin

        Can we say “election fraud”! Only 2.4 million fraudulent votes cast during 2008 presidential race, I’m sure most of those were for McCain ………………….SURE!!!!!

  • http://com i41

    Dennis are dumbocraps really that stupid, or they just born that ignorgant. Being a marxist/communist socialist is a requirement to be a democrat party smuck. With control of all 3 branches of government and Congress under a super majority in both housesn is something your mental capicity can not understand. We don’t have to make up and facts about the jug eared overeducated muslim marxist, all facts are in his books, and recorded interveiws. Did you forget the (/11 caused by Whorehounds beleif in it was just a legal problem. and his worthless pukes around him that made sure info could not be shared. Something marxistt/communist socialist democrap bastards omit from their pus brain thought processes. Of course these same f–k up put the muslim marxist in to the WH.

    • RicSeag

      Wow! Such intelligent and heady stuff you said there…. Are you alright or did that turd hurt coming out of your throat?

      Your command of facts is mesmerizing…. I’m stunned by your cogent command of the… Not sure what it is… Language!

      • Thamera

        hmmmm now what were you saying about ad hominem attacks RS? LOL

        This is for you RS:

        “One of the most widely misused terms on the Net is “ad hominem”. It is most often introduced into a discussion by certain delicate types, delicate of personality and mind, whenever their opponents resort to a bit of sarcasm. As soon as the suspicion of an insult appears, they summon the angels of ad hominem to smite down their foes, before ascending to argument heaven in a blaze of sanctimonious glory. They may not have much up top, but by God, they don’t need it when they’ve got ad hominem on their side. It’s the secret weapon that delivers them from any argument unscathed.”

        “Those who are quick to squeal “ad hominem” are often guilty of several other logical fallacies, including one of the worst of all: the fallacious belief that introducing an impressive-sounding Latin term somehow gives one the decisive edge in an argument.”

        http://plover.net/~bonds/adhominem.html (hehe)

        • Cawmun Cents

          “Dont forget to serve him Red Herring whilst making him eat his crow!”-CC

  • JeffH

    WOW! Robert Ringer, great great! You’ve hit a grand slam…no pun intended. I am in full agreement with everything you just said…everything. Can you say Karl Marx, Saul Alinsky?

    WAYNE ALLYN ROOT: Overwhelm the system(this is the only person to admit being in Columbia with Obama !!) Barack Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he’s doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos — thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within.

    As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University. They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival … and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government.

    Universal health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents. Obama doesn’t care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt.

    Cap and trade. Like health care legislation having nothing to do with health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama’s biggest contributors.

    Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC, can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants. They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power.

    Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go? It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions — including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions. A staggering $125 billion went to teachers, thereby protecting their union dues. All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America. The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful.

    Ultimately, the ends justify the means. Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it.
    http://www.thefreepressonline.co.uk/news/1/1995.htm

    • Raggs

      Jeff you have done your homework… Bravo for the post…

    • Doc Franklin

      Jeff, I agree with your entire post excepting the part about Obama being brilliant. Any idiot can strike a match and burn down a house, but it takes intelligence and work to build one. Obama has simply struck the match with which he intends to burn down the house.

      • JeffH

        Doc, point taken. LOL!

  • Tierra Teneil/Johnnie Blando

    Hello all, its Tierra again. I do so very much agree with this article, but Mr Ringer is just preaching to the choir, which isn’t very large any more. Unless Americans rises up and shed the blood of the wicked, it is too late for us, my kids, your kids, and America. Lets face it fella’s, we lack the guts to fight back,…..and yes, Ringer is right, the Dodo birds will put another wimp in like Bush. You can count on it. Just look at the field, none of them are saying anything that interests me at all. Trump is saying it, but is he trust worthy, I don’t think so, but he is better than the same ole gang of idiots who say nothing. The truth is, we should put the blame for all of this trouble on the Bushes, and go out and hang both of them.

  • LiarsMustBeDefeated

    Barry is the Kommunist from Kenya. Yeah.

    • denniso

      Can I use your name? Liarsmustbedefeated is a liar.

  • http://audrey.werling@gmail.com Audrey

    FINALLY- someone has spoken the truth about Obama. He knows exactly what he is doing and he is right on target with no one stopping him.
    Destroy capitalism, destroy the dollar, destroy America (that he hates)
    and we will have a nice communist country. Just what Obama and all the other communist in the White House have ordered.

  • John

    This article is dead-on correct, except Obama is not a communist- he is an Alinskyite. It would behoove you to find out the difference. I urge all bloggers to get a copy of David Horowitz’s booklet BARACK OBAMA’S RULES FOR REVOLUTION THE ALINSKY MODEL. This booklet is dynamite. You will get some real insight into what is going on. You can get it in hard copy at David Horowitz Freedom Center, P.O. Box 55089, Sherman Oaks, Ca 91499-1964, or you can download it for free at Elizabeth@horowitzfreedomcenter.org. This is a must read for all conservatives !

  • Aric

    Uh… The thing about liberals is that they know so much that isn’t so – Ronald Reagan. You kool-aid drinkers are pathetic – just a few points. 1st: No WMD’s? Uh, Saddam used them on the Kurds – look it up… 2nd: The “half-wit” in the White House didn’t take down Bin Laden, the CIA and the Navy SEALs did – look it up… 3rd: Bush/Cheney war criminals? They had approval from Congress to go to war – what about Libya? – look it up… 4th: BO has raised the debt more than ALL previous Presidents combined – look it up… Last: about the commie-in-chief; birthed, raised, mentored, educated and befriended by communists – “if it sounds like a duck”… Why don’t you lib-tards go back to suck’n on BO’s backside.

    • RoBoTech

      WikiLeaks, which are not being reported on my the MSM anymore, has shown that there WERE WMD depots in Iraq!
      Why isn’t THAT part being reported on?
      We all know why.

    • 45caliber

      Aric:
      But the only place the libs will “look things up” is on sites like Huffington Post or Daily KOS – which simply expand upon their lies. Real facts aren’t to be considered.

      As someone once said, “I know what I know! Don’t confuse me with facts!”

  • RoBoTech

    I posted the same idea over at Washington Times just yesterday.
    Joseph Cruel (sp?) wrote an article claiming Obama was “incompetent” over the gas price and didn’t have a clue as to how to stop it from ballooning.
    I wrote and said Joseph was an idiot. Obama may be incompetant on some issues, but he WANTS gas prices to rise.
    So how is getting what you want incompetent?
    Obama’s Energy Czar even said we need gas to be at European prices. That is $9.00 a gallon, today! Have to redistribute that wealth by using the “Green” agenda!
    See, this is why we can never win this fight against the Socialist agenda the Progressives are pushing.
    Because so called “Conservatives” with a microphone, still don’t buy into the FACT that Obama is a Socialist!
    Are they fools? I mean, look at Obamacare. Didn’t THAT convince them Ombama is a Socialist (actually a Communist, but let’s just keep it at Socialist for now)?
    Why can’t the Journolistas NOT see who Obama has filled his admin with? Card carrying Socialists, Marxists, and Communists! Yet Obama is not a RADICAL? Isn’t Socialism STILL the extreme in America?
    I still think that this issue is a major reason McCain lost. He would not call a spade a spade, trying to keep the hi ground, while Obama had no problem getting into the gutter.
    And we saw how that worked out.
    This needs to stop.
    Let the far left MSM cover for Obama. The rest of us HAVE to call it as we see it, or go hide somewhere!

  • Santi

    Did you know that 53% of catholics voted for the communist in chief. I found out that sual alynsky invaded the church from within. The bible states that in the end of times people were going to get decieved from within or by their own family members. I am a devoted Catholic and was not one who voted for this communist. They infiltrated the church up in the northern states like Illinois , chicago. That is why the dip sh-t spoke at norterdame school. I am purposely not capitalizing some sh-t because it is what it is. I found out that some fake catholic preist and bishops sent these groups millions of dollars, like planned parenthood and the tides foundation. The george soros like people, the scum of the earth. They want to see people suffer and they are calling it global warming. I feel that the only thing that is going to be warming is their traitors a$$, along with the commie. Catholics you need to heed and follow the scriptures, if you hear anything to do with social justice of any kind leave that church and go to another catholic diocese. We need to pray for the church for it has been infiltrated. I know if our church has been invaded just imagine the rest. Do not follow these anti-christ!!! Pray and stay strong for the LORD our GOD is coming soon. GOD BLESS everyone. realcatholictv.com/cia
    cia means catholic investigation agency

    • Raggs

      Did you notice that when he spoke ALL symbols of Christ were removed?

      • denniso

        Your church is infiltrated,your church is infiltrated! Wow! Gadzook! Geez! What are we going to do? Kill the invaders? Wave a cross in front of their eyes? Call upon Satan to help? Oops,where was your God when this happened? I guess it’s part of his plan and therefore you should embrace it. Why would you fight against what God has planned?

  • Average Joe

    “Who is John Galt?”
    Some of us ask legitimate questions in order to see the big picture……Some of you will believe anything and everything that the government and media tell you without question and will continue to follow the herd…..right into the slaughterhouse. By the time you finally do wake up and start questioning….it will be too late to do anything about it. May God have mercy on your poor misguided souls….because I for one… will have none.

    Friedrich Gustav Martin Niemöller’s words, uttered more than 50 years ago, ring with an ominous clarity as we watch the slow evisceration of our nation.

    When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;
    I was not a communist.
    When they locked up the social democrats,
    I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.
    When they came for the trade unionists,
    I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.
    When they came for the Jews,
    I did not speak out;
    I was not a Jew.
    When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.

    • Cawmun Cents

      “Especially since I was on the bus to Vienna”-CC

  • ONTIME

    I consider the uncredentialed Mystery Man a practitioner of short comings. He is short on delivery, shorted on ability and soon will be a short timer as the man who occupies the Oval Office.

    If you have ever depended on someone to make good on a expected delivery of goods and had that feeling that you get on arival, then opening the box and then finding out that key parts are missing. This is what I sense each and every time I hear another of MM’s committments or policy plans, it’s not all there.

  • http://personalliberty.com JS

    JoviAnus, why don’t you sit down and shut up and try listening to someone who is I’m sure a bit older and alot wiser than you are. You couldn’t be more wrong if it came and slapped you in the face.
    Doc Franklin, Ed Fouts and Max Drier I couldn’t agree with you more, this president is definately looking to and running this country into the ground and our children and grand children will have absolutely nothing left if something isn’t done soon.

    • 45caliber

      JS:

      The socialists consider everything, including the people, as belonging to the government. I believe a lot of what they are presently doing is designed to put as much into government ownership as possible for that very reason. The more they get into government ownership, the less problem they have when they nationalize everything else including the house you bought and are living in.

      • Thamera

        Because Jovi has all the answers didn’t you know? Jovi has read the constitution as interpreted by (drum roll) case law….hahahahahahaha

  • S.F.

    Libertarian Ron Paul I’m voting for him.

  • Aric

    45caliber,

    You’re right! I know, but I keep hoping they will get frustrated and just try looking up some real facts.

    • Average Joe

      Fat chance of that happening! As proof, a friend(?) of 34 years posted a question on his FB page yesterday concerning the death of OBL. After reading several of the replies (all of which were pro Obama and glad the a**hole is dead…amongst other hate speach), I decided to comment that OBL was accused in the media, tried in the media, convicted and sentenced in the media, but not in a court of law…where the truth of the matter would come out. I was immediately ganged up on by the entire community as being a “dim wit”, “moron”, “stupid f*ck”…etc. The final blow came from my friend (?) when I was told in no uncertain terms that he “would not tolerate” any more of my “Conservative Horse sh*t” on his facebook page and that I was being forewarned….my reply?….”As opposed to Liberal BS?”…..wherupon I was called everything but human by the group and then removed as a friend. I asked him why (private message) he felt this way and that they were supposed to be the tolerant ones….I was told that anyone who’s opinion differed from his…was a completety dim witted idiot and he wanted nothing more to do with them…period. Apparently they have only one view of the world….and any view other than theirs will not be heard, read or otherwise tolerated…. other views…which may invalidate their particular outlook on life, shall not be heard….they are correct…simply because they deemed it so. 34 years of walking on eggshells around this guy because other than political views, we got along fine…I shall walk on eggshells… no more! He can face the consequences of his choices and his “friends” can help him out…oh yeah…they’ll be in the same sinking boat….with him.

      • 45caliber

        Joe:

        The liberals have a theory of utopia. They are certain it can be achieved – even though simply logic should tell you differently. In their version, everyone has everything they want to have. Plenty of good food when desired, the clothing you want, a new car, a nice home, great furniture, the best electronics, etc. And you don’t have to pay for any of it. All you have to do is let the ones in charge know you want something and it will be provided.

        Further, all work will be performed by those who really love to do that work. So people who like to fix roads will fix the roads. The people who like to cook will cook. Those who like housekeeping will keep the houses. Those who like to build and repair electronics will do that. (I always ask if they are going to be the ones to love cleaning sewers.) They, of course, would be the leaders since they have this vision and the rest of us don’t.

        The real problem is that people change. At one time I would have liked to have run my own business. Now? I’m ready for retirement. But under their system you CAN’T change without upsetting the system. Further, many of us would like to work at things that we don’t have the training to do. And there are a lot of jobs that we simply would have no interest in doing. Like sewer cleaning. So we couldn’t actually do the job we would want to do and someone would have to be assigned to do the jobs no one wants.

        Sadly, under the category of doing a job you aren’t trained to do, the libs aren’t able to actually run anything successfully.

        But they absolutely HATE for someone to start pointing out the flaws in their dream. Because if it is flawed, their dream is meaningless and their entire purpose in the world is shot. They can’t face that.

        • steve

          Spot on,45!!

          • denniso

            Liberals think that humans are smart enough to make society work better for all,even the rich. Conservatives are living proof that’s it’s impossible.

        • Average Joe

          45caliber,
          I agree 110% with what you say! I spent the weekend refreshing my memory by re-reading “Atlas Shrugged” and watching “The Fountainhead” 1949 (BTW, if you haven’t seen it, please do)…It amazes me that the people who think like this have been trying to create their Utopia since the beginning of time (without any success, I might add) and yet they still don’t get it.Those who can, do……those who can’t,want those who can to take responsiblity for them….Useless eaters, they be.
          Who is John Galt?

          • denniso

            The book is a joke of a novel,good reading for teenagers maybe,if they aren’t very developed intellectually.

          • Average Joe

            denniso,
            There you go assuming that anyone here actually considers your opinion concerning any matter. We would expect you to agree with anything, if we say the sky is blue…you’ll swear it’s green….we say hot…you say cold…..Stick with your vision of Utopia….let us know how that works out for you.

          • Average Joe

            “The book is a joke of a novel,good reading for teenagers maybe,if they aren’t very developed intellectually.”

            So, you are saying that the book is above your reading level?….Maybe some day you will be a big boy and read above 4th grade level ( doubtful, but hey, stranger things have happened)….I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you.

          • libertytrain

            Average Joe – he has to flex his “intellect” and continually needs to insult anyone who enjoys reading those books. I have no idea why he thinks we will be impressed by his childish rudeness –

          • denniso

            You have no idea? Rudeness? You’ve got to be kidding! Let’s spell this out for you apparently slow ones. If a person reads a superman comic book and then raves about the content and intelligence of it,and tells me that superman has answers to the difficult issues of the day, I would treat the comic and the readers in the same way as the novel and readers of Ayn Rand. No serious thinker gives her any credibility…she wrote simplistic soap operas,that’s all.

          • libertytrain

            Your endless need to insult over and over again, makes you no better than those you purport to find insulting. Take a break, go read a comic book.

      • Karolyn

        Wow! I’m glad I have no “friends” like that! And I am not in any way like that! There are extremists on both sides; but it is more pronounced with men.

  • http://www.tomblairea.com Thomas Avery Blair

    I wonder if anyone here knows enough about world history to know that nations at war with each other commonly find ways to devalue the enemy currencies and thereby weaken their ability to continue the fight. Here in the USA, during the American Civil War (aka “The War Between the States”) this action was common between the Union and Confederate governments, each creating bogus money resembling the currency of the opposite camp.

    This printing of paper “fiat” currency is indeed a weapon of war and has been used throughout Western history for hundreds of years, up to and including today! Saddam Hussein was “hired” to print bogus Iranian currency to sink Iran (quite a WMD after all, is it not?).

    Does anyone here know what happened to all those billions of USA dollars discovered in the palaces of Saddam after his defeat?

    Does anyone here understand that one of the easiest ways to sap the strength of a nation is to undermine their currencies?

    One last matter: Be carefuly about the word SEDITION and the actions one advocates during the act of sedition that can send you to federal prison and worse. I advocate that we try at least one more time to defend the USA and the Constitution in 2012…revolution via the bullet and bayonette offers a high cost in terms of human life, wealth and blood; speak of it only if you are willing to bear the full consequences of promoting the concept.

    Perhaps it is true: Perhaps the USA no longer deserves freedom?

    At least food for thought, is it not?

    Respectfully submitted,

    Thomas Avey Blair, EA

    • 45caliber

      Germany used counterfeit money a lot in WWII and I’m sure the Allies did as well. If you can get people to distrust the money, then they have a much harder time buying and selling anything – or even taking the money they are paid to work.

  • Cathy

    I’ve been saying for a long time we shouldn’t worry about terrorists. The United States is going to implode from within.

    It’s happening now…sadly…while the liberal left fawn and drool over this anti-American piece of dog dirt.

    (I’m not a Republican, BTW.)

    • 45caliber

      Our worry about terrorists in the US should be restricted to being blown up when we go to a mall or something. As to them actually doing much to destroy our country – not very much. After all, they have been trying to destroy Israel by terrorism for decades without any sucess. Actually, terrorism really only works on their own people. Most other cultures don’t fear terrorist acts (despite the efforts of our media); such things simply make them angry. That is one thing the terrorists have trouble believing because they know their own people are afraid. And if they aren’t careful it is a mistake that may mean the end of their culture when people get mad enough.

      Most believe that any Americans they see overseas MUST belong to the family of the President – since he is “ruler” – because only the family members of the rulers in the own society are allowed to travel. So if they kill or harm those Americans it is a direct attack on the family of the “ruler” of the USA. And, since his primary job must be the protection of his family, they believe they can terrorize us by attacking that family.

  • Stephen

    Obama is not a commie, he is nothing more than a puppet for the powers behind the scene. All this is planned and it has been going on for ,many, many years. We have allowed these fools who got into office to destroy our public schools and to erode our morals in this great country. You are a complete fool if you sit there and try to blame one party, the blame goes to both parties. There is time to still save this country but you have yo go after the main evil and that is the federal reserve. Once the federal reserve is gone and congress has the power again to make our money, we will no longer be in debt to such an abomination.

  • http://com i41

    Stephen, typical bs from a moron who voted for the jug eared marxist muslim. TR, Wilso, FDR, MsGovern were all democraps, even TR was a rino socialist. Onumnutts books prove with his own words he leans to wealth distribution and he love Karl Marx among other worthless freaks, who are communist and spout the same crap. Who starte the federal reserve, the same pukes who gave us the Nocare plan, with corrupt funding in the plan. Even this Bin laden is a bs plan of making a secret deal, that is secret, and what f–ks are doing the deal, Onumnutt anti USA radicals down to Bikkary the B–ch, is up to her neck in this deal.

  • Dee

    I don’t know why obummer dotes on his father as he left his mother when obummer was a baby. He doesn’t consider his mother because she is white.

    • Karolyn

      Wow! Aslur I hadn’t heard before. My aren’t we original! What will we come up with next?

  • Jobless in Midwest

    @denniso: Are you completely brain dead or have you drank too much Kool-aid? Do some research into history you half-wit! Hitler did the same thing, only he was allowed to just seize the power, where as our illustrious dumb ass in the oval office has to assume control under the guise of “bail-out” bull shit. Also, while your at it, take a look at how Hitler seized control of the automotive industry. Do you see a pattern here moron, or are you so in love with the walking teleprompter that you still won’t believe it? Get a clue you sheep!

    • denniso

      You sound a little angry,but unlike you i won’t call you names,assuming that you are indeed jobless. Equating Hitler w/ obama though, is just plain stupid,and no thinking person would make the comparison.
      Good luck looking for a job.

      • Average Joe

        denniso,
        When people see things that are obviously wrong in their nation and feel powerless to do anything about, what’s wrong with a bit of anger? Keeping it pent up inside only exasperates the basic need to vent. The same goes for responding to people who obviously suffer from cranio-rectal inversion and can’t see beyond the crap on the end of their noses.

        • denniso

          Aren’t you clever…It’s one thing to be angry about what’s wrong w/ the country,and maybe offer solutions. It’s quite another to not even know what the real problems are and then go into a rage that has nothing to do w/ reality. You and your cohorts repeated expressions detailing body parts is just what i expect from 8th graders.

          • Average Joe

            denniso ,
            Yes I am…don’t you wish you were?….Not much chance of that happening though.

        • 45caliber

          Joe:

          Well put. The only problem is that the libs believe that brown stuff is the essence of life and the smell is perfume.

          • denniso

            You two are about as clever as a fat toad sitting on a lilly pad and thinking he’s walking on water…you’re both so unintelligent that it’s a bit depressing to realize we could have such things as you in this country,who are not in jail or an asylum. Maybe you are.

  • Stephen

    i41 you are as lost as they come and this is why this country is such a mess and why fools like the Bushes, Clinton, Obama and so on get elected. So keep watching your 6o’clock news so you can have an opinion while this country goes down the drain, you brain dead zombie. Oh and one more thing, I did’nt vote for Obama or McCaim because they both sucked and cared nothing about AMERICA or it’s people.

  • http://msn.com Sweetie

    Obummer has and will Continue to bring our Country into The Ground.

    Peoples don’t seem to take the Time to Relize what this ” Monkey ” of a so called ” president ” is doing or trying to do.

    ” Ignorance Breeds Ignorance “

  • santi

    Wake up GOD will be here sooner then you all think. WAKE UP AND START REPENTING.

    • Karolyn

      God is here already and always has been.

  • Raggs

    Humpty dumpty sat on a wall, humpty dumpty had a great fall.
    All the kings horses and all the kings men could not put humpty dumpty back together again..

    Humpty dumpty was pushed…

  • TrueBlueRedandWhite

    Add my voice to the long long list of sensible people who think this article shows nothing but venom-deluded wackiness. A shame it has been added to this website.

    Absolutely his own worst enemy due to his intemperate language and non-stop wild statements. Utterly impossible to take seriously.

    Neither “liberal” or “conservative” are curse words, by the way, people.

    • RKZ777

      So if I can’t call a socialist a socialist then your right, I should’t leave a comment. It doesn’t change the fact its true. and we now know what this comment section is about – more bs stacked atop more bs, which got us in this fix to begin with. A REAL AMERICAN.

  • Pathos

    our people are “starving” for a real leader. there are no good choices when it comes to our elected politicians. money puts them in office. money corrupts. what are we to do? elect some one who will lead us there with a quickness? or prolong the push over the edge? either choice is unacceptable. do i want to be shackled or go kickin and screaming? i hope i make the right decision. God bless our beloved republic…

  • http://com i41

    Stephen, were you one of theose simple pin heads that don’t, you are worse than the morons that voted for a marxist muslim puke. Whine and b–ch but will not vote because you don’t like anyone. I wouldn’t waste my time listening to the 6 o’clock news since it is from the dumbocrap party idoits and always has.Also how in the hell would karolyn know if God was here, she said she didn’t beleive in him and was an athesist. Just like all dumbocraps, don’t know s–t but are all book trained smucks. Joblesss in Midwest, all of these mental midget democrap slubs, who praise the jug eared purple lipped marxist muslim, would still drink his funky bath water, even if the idoit destroys the USA.

    • denniso

      ‘Idoit’???What’s an Idoit? You know you sound exactly like a raving lunatic…I guess that’s why even your rightwing buddies usually ignore you. Your use of racist language is also disgusting and pathetic. Tyr to do something rather than just babble nonsense. OK??

  • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

    Mr. Ringer:

    Good article. I have been using the word communist and Obama since he was campaigning. It was patently obvious what this Kenyan was and is to anyone who is not brain-dead.

    I received a lot of scowels and arguments, but I never waivered. I do think he is a combination facsist and communist.

  • Charles

    To Denniso old friend,

    Socialism is a philosophy of FAILURE!!!
    The creed of IGNORANCE and the goespel of ENVY!!!
    It`s inherent virtue is the equal sharing of MISERY!!!
    Sir Wintson Churchill

    • denniso

      There are few countries that are actually run entirely on socialism. We are not one of them,though we do have,like almost all countries,aspects of our country that could be called ‘socialistic’. For a country to really be socialistic you need the gov’t to own the means of production…we’re not even close despite our bailing out a few companies to prevent a total collapse of our capitalistic system.

      If you want to call the entire military a socialistic endeavor,go ahead. We could privatise the whole thing and not have to be socialistic about national defense. We could privatise all the road building in the country,and the water and sewage plants as well. If we are fearful of the word ‘socialism’,then let’s quit providing police and fire protection in the socialistic way that we do…let everybody hire there own private security and fire protection,and those who can’t pay the high price of private protection will just be out of luck,right? Why should my taxes go to pay for people who aren’t careful w/ matches or extension cords?

      Of course,we will have to get rid of ‘social security’,just listen to those words! Medicare too will have to go and let our elderly retirees buy their own health insurance. If the cost goes up to the point where most can’t afford it,too bad,we do have bridges that are free to live under…right?

  • Charles

    Hey Denniso,
    Sure are glad your still with us. I see the good people are really
    giving you a good pounding. I feel sorry for you at times and pitty
    you at other times. I have to sat back and chuckle when people try to
    talk some sence into you. You just don`t get it and never will. I know I gave up. So old friend, keep comming back, because we need
    people like yourself to remind us what we are fighting for.Denniso, I haven`t heard from jopa as of late. I know he has some health problems
    and I hope he hasn`t died on us.

    • denniso

      I didn’t know that Joppa had health problems…too bad and let’s hope he’s OK.

  • Charles

    Denniso,
    jobless in Midwest has a point about Hitler. You might take notice.

    • denniso

      No need to feel sorry for me Charles. This is like arguing w/ 10 yr olds…frustrating maybe,but not even close to challenging.

      Hitler? what’s the point,that obama could be doing what Hitler did? Charles you should know better than to go along w/ that childishness.
      Could we ever become fascist under a total dictator? Maybe,but the closest we’ve been was under Nixon and Cheny/Bush.

  • Palin12

    It was just reported that the cowardly Obama will not release the photos of dead bin Laden. Why the hell not, Obummer? We should cutoff the $3 billion a year we give to Pakistan right NOW!

    • JeffH

      ..gotta keep the people busy while he campaigns…maybe just before the elections…just like his BC.

      • Palin12

        You know, I was thinking the same thing. If he can get away with the BC for 2 years, he can delay this photo another 2 years. I’d still like to see transcripts from Harvard and how he qualified to get in there, being that he was a poor student. “This administration will be the most transparent in history.”

        • denniso

          Another idiotic wild goose chase! Did you worry that your hero Shrub barely got through college w/ a 2.0 grade average? Were you ever concerned that you elected the dumbest president ever and a failed businessman as well? No, I didn’t think so…you could drink a beer w/ Bush…stupid!

          • Average Joe

            denniso,
            I see you still have a hardon for Bush…give up…he isn’t going to give you any….he still likes adult women, not childish little boys….So sorry…. for you.

          • denniso

            Aren’t you embarrassed to sound like a tasteless,classless idiot? You’ve got as much class as a monster truck event,which I’m sure is your favorite entertainment.

          • libertytrain

            wow, denniso – you sure have your undies in a bundle. Little stressed?

          • denniso

            Once again,you show your rightwing bias,Libertynot. You have no complaint w/ Joe’s asinine and sexually perverted comment and you feel compelled to join in w/ him. Stressed? Not even close. How can an idiotic and tasteless comment from an obvious foolish old man stress me? I just marvel at the absurdity of your buddies here and intend on calling them on their stupidity.

          • libertytrain

            those undies must be tied in quite a knot…poor dear.

  • Brian

    I think you’re getting a bit paranoid about Obama trying to destroy the economy of the U.S. As someone who doesn’t agree with all his policies, I wouldn’t take the gigantic leap in logic to say that he is intentionally trying to do harm to this country. Sounds like you are trying to stir the pot, in my opinion, and cause some type of hysteria among the American people.

    • denniso

      Most of the people here are whipping up the other pawns into an hysteria over lies and myths…it’s rather amazing to watch and sad to see educated(?)adults make total fools of themselves. Watch out,they go on the attack when spoken to w/ any rationality.

      • libertytrain

        Praise allah that you are here to continuously remind everyone how foolish they are…. soon we will all learn and we will fall in line and develop a keen intelligence such as yours. Thank you comrade.

        • denniso

          Isn’t that sweet! You’re calling me a communist Muslim. Talk about more absurdity,Liberty. Are you loosing your marbles like most here already have? Sounds like it. ‘everyone here’? No,there are a few sane people on this site,but certainly most are literally off the wall. It’s really a pity to see so many kooks in one place,so to speak,but of course many might be locked up for all we know.

          • libertytrain

            Goodness your interpretation is fascinating and you are testy – It’s the weekend, go try and enjoy yourself somehow.

  • Charles

    denniso,
    Listen to who is calling who a bunch of kooks. You are unreal denniso.
    You are one of three kooks that I know of. Oh well! you are at least
    our kook and we own you. I don`t know what we would do with out you.
    Well, have a good weekend and try not to think to much and over tax
    that kooky brain of yours. See you Monday!!!!!!

  • Charles

    Brian,
    You need to do your homework on Obama and see who is friends, advisors, and who is czars are and what each one stands for I think,
    just maybe, you might change your mind. As far as Obama`s thinking,
    you seem to forget what this man said. I am going to transform
    America and spread the wealth. Goverment as for the past two years
    been trying to do this. You need to put it altogether and not just by pieces. By what he has done so far, at least, he is a Socialists. I
    myself, feel he has gone beyond being a Socialists and falls into
    being a Marxist of the worst kind. Don`t believe what I or any one
    else tells you,you have to find out for yourself.

  • Charles

    denniso,
    As far as you thinking Bush was so daumb, it takes a prety smart
    person to fly a jet fighter.I`m not going to say Obama was daumb,just because he has surounded himself with a bunch of Marxist pigs. Nor
    the fact that I heard he wasn`t a very good student himself. You
    notice, I said heard, not knowing this as a fact. So calling Bush
    daumb without the facts seems to be par for the course for you
    Left-Wingers. Get with it denniso, you know I`m probley one of the few friends you have on this blog.

  • Charles

    Boy, my spelling is sure bad this morning.

  • jopa

    Charles: Still here didn’t kick the bucket yet but spring is in the air life is wonderful and Obama got Usama.I foresee many years ahead of me so just hang tight and I will be patient in trying to get you to see reality.I don’t know if you know the real story on Bush when he made that last carrier landing but he should have worn the brown suit.The navy was in hysterics for weeks after that landing.PS;He was only a passenger not at the controls

    • denniso

      I’m glad you’re OK…we need your help here w/ these rightwing reactionaries.
      Charles says that a person has to be pretty smart to fly a jet fighter…not really,it takes average smarts and lots of training. Remember the chimps that were sent to space in capsules?

  • Charles

    denniso,
    Are you pulling my leg or are you really that stupid? Anybody that would think that the chimps were flying the space capsule, something
    has to be serious wrong with them. I always did think something was
    wrong with you , now I know. You don`t quite play with a full deck.

    • denniso

      Charles,you’ve been mostly civil to me before,now you’re calling me stupid?
      Let me clarify my point to you,since apparently you couldn’t figure it out on your own. I am equating Bush flying a jet fighter to a trained Chimp ‘flying’ a space capsule. The chimps were trained to flick switches and push a few buttons,and that’s about all Bush did in his fighter jet. My comment is an insult to Bush specifically,and to his intelligence level. Do you understand it now?

  • Charles

    jopa,
    I `m glad your ok. I will give Obama his due. He needed to get Usama
    to even have a chance of getting elected in 2012. I, however don`t
    believe it will be enough. The man is a total screw up. Anyway, he didn`t get him, the BRAVE NAVY SEALS DID and what a job they did.

  • jopa

    I sure cannot figure out what Bush was thinking when he disbanded the department dedicated to hunt down Usama.It is so wonderful to have a man in charge and makes the right decisions when applicable.The first thing Obama did as President was have the CIA become more active in the hunt, track down Usama and have the Navy Seals take him out.With our President and military what a great nation we are.

  • denniso

    I know what Bush was thinking…politics! He couldn’t find bin Ladden so he had to get rid of the department that was dedicated to his capture. To keep it in existence would be a reminder to all that Bush hadn’t caught or killed the most wanted man alive,so he cleverly gets rid of the dept and acts like bin Ladden’s capture or death is no big deal.
    Charles says that Obama is a total screwup,but how can that make any sense if Obama gave the order to try a very risky operation to get Obama and then it works? We know that if it hadn’t succeeded and Americans had been killed, people like Charles and his rightwing zealots would certainly have blamed Obama entirely.

    Charles,your blind partisanship is showing all too apparently. At least try to hide it a little…

  • TJ

    Canceling my subscription after reading this article will be the smartest thing anyone could do. What a waste of time and energy to fight and whine over the presidents economic policies instead of working to make things work for everyone. Right Wing Christian conservatives who have never acted “Christ-Like in their lives write in this rag as though their opinions have any meaning. Waste of time and energy. Find something else to do..whiny, racist, republican babies!

  • Charles

    Tj,
    Sounds like every other Marxist phoney that writes on this blog. You
    may think your a Democrat, however that ship sailed a long time ago.
    Wheather you know it or not, you are a Progressive idiot that understands nothing thats going on in this country. I agree, you are wasting your time on this blog,because you don`t have the inteligence
    nor education to know what is evil, or what is good. Take some time and do some homework and find out what our country is dealing with.
    My friend, you don`t have a clue.

  • Charles

    Hey denniso,
    I gave Obama his due in ordering the Seals into action. I still say he needed something big to get is campaign back on track. I don`t know where you think Bush wasn`t still looking for bin Ladden.What Obama did was a continuous of Bushes pollices. You must have been reading the Daily Khost or the NY times. Obama had nothing to lose
    and everything to gain in the strike.

  • Charles

    Denniso,
    If Americans had been killed in the raid,it would not have been us on
    the right being upset, it would have been your people on the far left
    that would have been upset. Think Denniso Think!!! or some of your liberal Democrats who think there is still a Democrat party.

    • denniso

      You want to bet? If the raid had gone badly and bin Ladden had escaped or not been there,you and Limbaugh,Beck,would have called for Obama’s hide.

      He was willing to take the biggest risk of his presidency and it worked perfectly. I’m proud of the men who had the guts to do it and of Obama for having the courage to authorize it. Are you proud of our president?

  • Charles

    Denniso,
    I would turn my head the other way everytime I passed a man in uniform. What you said about Bush having the brains of a chimp
    in flying one of our fighter planes was an insult to every fighter
    pilot in the US airforce or any other countries fighter pilots. You should hold your head in shame. Remind me to never fly with you. If
    you thought I called you stupid, so be it. I asked you a question,were
    you pulling my leg or were you that stupid. I asked you if you were stupid, I did not call you stupid, it was in the form of a question
    for you to answer.So, please read with meaning and I still like you
    even though you don`t always get things right.

    • denniso

      I don’t disrespect fighter pilots,I just don’t think it take a supreme intellect…what is does take,in combat especially,is courage,fast reflexes,good vision,ability to read maps and gauges. I know a fighter pilot and he’s bright enough but no genius.

  • Charles

    denniso,
    I got your point when you compared Bush to a chimp. If you had done this as him being President I might agree on some of the things he did
    but being a fighter pilot isn`t one of them.

  • http://google mike b.

    Trump wins again!! The only reason Hussein Obama killed obama bin laden is because Trump forced him to wag the dog because his approval rating is at a all-time low. The same way he made him become the first pres. in U.S. history to show his birth cert. 3 years into his presidency.

    • denniso

      Showing the long version of his birth certificate to finally end the ridiculous claims by true wackos was a practical political decision. Now he can get on to real issues,and it doesn’t mean Trump ‘won’ anything. He’s a joke of a candidate and will win nothing.

      Bush wanted bin Ladden dead for 7 years,but couldn’t or wouldn’t pull it off. Obama did what Bush couldn’t and he deserves praise for bringing the most wanted man in the world to justice. I suppose if Obama walks on water you kooks will say it’s been done before and Trump made him do it.

  • Charles

    Hey Denniso,and my other good friend jopa,
    The character of any man is defined how he treats his mother as the years pass. I see a President with no character or integrity. I happen to run across a couple of books this charming President of ours had written. Here are a couple of lines out of each book. He said this, not I or anyone else.
    Book 1 >Dreams From My Father >> 1> Turned back on his mother at age 12
    or 13. 2> I found solance in nursing a pervasive sense of grivance and animosity against my mothers race. 3>Necessary to prove which side your on to show your loyalty to the black masses. 4>I never emvlate white or brown men, whose fate didn`t speak to my own. 5>It was into my fathers image, the black man,son of Africa, that I`d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin
    and Malcaum, Du Bois and Mandela. 6> He harbors a coil of rage against whites. >> Book 2 <> 1. I will stand with the Muslims, should the political winds shift in a ugly direction.
    These are two books every voter in America should read. I will not tell you how I felt,you need to find your own answers.

  • Charles

    People,
    I wouldn`t buy these books. You can find them in any public library.
    Please read them. No1- Dreams From My Father- No2 Audacity of Hope

  • RKZ777

    He isn’t over his head, he is true to his job assignment,and that is to destroy America and bring it to a third world nation level, while taking the wealth of America and sending it to the muslim world and all those enemies of America that he supports, blaming America for all the wrong in the world. Once America is destroyed, it will then be controlled by the nwo/elitist, the very ones that have set barry o in the white house. No not over his head.

  • RKZ777

    To Charlie:
    I don’t need to read a book about the maggot head socialist thug, I knew what he was when the socialist democratic news media put him in the public eye. He’s just like all the rest he has followed. A calculating piece of s!!!! and a enemy of the United States of America and all the good it stands for.

  • RKZ777

    I just want to ask one question, how many are going to run to the Canadian border when the shtf? and How many are going to stay in their country and fight for their children and grand children? Does the melon headed muslim socialist thug scare you? Well actually three questions.
    Just remember the fire of hell is forever and never ends, but the way of JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION AND THE FATHER!

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