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Is Brit Hume “Too Christian” for TV?

January 22, 2010 by  

Is Brit Hume “Too Christian” for TV?

Holy mackerel, what a tempest in a teapot Fox News commentator Brit Hume unleashed when he made a pro-Christian comment on national TV. Judging by the hysterical outcry from the left, you would think he had publicly advocated devil-worship.

Come to think of it, had Hume instead advocated giving Satan a chance I’m sure the reaction would have been far friendlier. He would have been hailed for his open-mindedness and applauded for being so non-judgmental.

In case you missed the beginning of this controversy, here’s how it started: Appearing on a panel on Fox News Sunday, Hume was asked what advice he would give the embattled Tiger Woods, in an effort to end the controversy that has besmirched the reputation (and flattened the bank account) of the superstar golfer.
 
Hume began by saying that, while Tiger’s golf game would eventually recover, if he wanted to overcome the guilt and shame of his repeated infidelities he should turn from Buddhism to Christianity.

Hume then observed, “The extent to which he can recover, it seems to me, depends on his faith. He is said to be a Buddhist. I don’t think that faith offers the kind of forgiveness and redemption that is offered by the Christian faith. So, my message to Tiger would be, ‘Tiger, turn to the Christian faith and you can make a total recovery and be a great example to the world.’”

Needless to say, the loony left went absolutely ballistic over Hume’s pro-Christian comments. Keith Olbermann, MSNBC’s bile-filled poster boy for intolerance, berated Hume for trying to “threaten Tiger Woods into becoming a Christian.”

Really? I hope someone asks Olbermann by what stretch of imagination he could find a threat in Hume’s remarks. They sounded very conciliatory to me… perhaps even overly optimistic in the promise of “total recovery.”

But Olbermann wasn’t finished. He went on to compare Fox News to Islamic extremists, for allowing Hume to promote Christianity on national TV. He then invited Dan Savage, a homosexual extremist, on his show. Savage promptly lambasted Hume as a “lunatic” for his remarks. Olbermann nodded approvingly.

Jon Stewart, the smirking liberal who hosts The Daily Show, played clips of Hume’s comments to the amusement of his audience.

Tom Shales, the TV critic at The Washington Post, mocked the idea that Christians should “run around trying to drum up new business.” What Hume did was outrageous, Shales insisted—unless you were so backward as to believe that “every Christian by mandate must proselytize.”

Actually, as you no doubt know, many Christians believe exactly that. But I doubt if my more evangelical friends would give Brit Hume high marks for calling Tiger (or anyone else) to account. What he said was a long, long way from an altar call. But the blogosphere responded as though Hume’s remarks were the most glaring example of bigotry, bias and downright stupidity ever uttered outside The Jerry Springer Show.

David Shuster, Olbermann’s colleague on MSNBC, lambasted Hume for violating “the separation of church and television.” I think he confused that principle with another one that’s just as phony—the so-called “separation of church and state,” which is also nowhere in the Constitution.

One of the strangest criticisms of all came from Dan Savage, the homosexual activist I mentioned above. He roared indignantly that Hume was claiming Christianity “offers the best deal—it gives you the get-out-of-adultery free card that other religions just can’t.”

Excuse me, but isn’t that exactly what Christianity promises? As Ann Coulter put it, “God sent his only Son to get the crap beaten out of him, die for our sins and rise from the dead. If you believe that, you’re in. Your sins are washed away from you—sins even worse than adultery!—because of the cross.”

And then the acerbic columnist and commentator added the following: “Surely you remember the cross, liberals—the symbol banned by ACLU lawsuits from public property throughout the land?”

To my surprise, I found one of the most reasonable comments about the whole affair in a column in The New York Times, when Ross Douthat wrote, “This doesn’t mean that we need to welcome real bigotry into our public discourse. But what Hume said wasn’t bigoted: Indeed, his claim about the difference between Buddhism and Christianity was perfectly defensible. Christians believe in a personal God who forgives sin. Buddhists, as a rule, do not. And it’s at least plausible that Tiger Woods might welcome the possibility that there’s someone out there capable of forgiving him, even if Elin Nordegren and his corporate sponsors do not.”

Yes, as many observers have noted, Christianity is the best deal in the universe. There is no other faith of which I’m aware that promises your sins will be forgiven.

Of course to the intellectual elite, there is no such thing as “sin.” We are supposed to tolerate anything and everything, from serial infidelities to the most blatant perversions.

In the land of the free and the home of the brave, no one can be persecuted for his or her beliefs anymore. Unless, of course, they are so old-fashioned and intolerant as to believe that sin exists… that sinners will be punished… and that redemption can only be found at the foot of the Cross.

Brit, I’m sure glad you no longer get your paycheck from one of our so-called “fair-minded” networks. Because if you did, I have no doubt they’d require you to grovel an abject apology—right before they threw you out the door.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

—Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • Michael J.

    It’s not that the left seeks to remove all religion from the public square. There are no cries to cast out Islam. There were no cries of bigotry when Obama was portrayed as the Messiah complete with halo.
    They seek only to silence the ones which can not endorse policies such as abortion, gay marriage, and a wide range of other anything goes sinfulness.

    The ironic thing about all this is that we recently have seen the emergence of a new far left religion of their own. Earth Worship, which appeared in of all places, the schools that our children attend. This new religion which is based on pagaen idolitry insists that mother earth is important above all else an should be protected at all cost including the marginalizing of the growth and activities of the human population. Their viewpoint requires the future curtailment of human activities such as driving cars, owning private property and a whole list of others as a result of unsustainability. Among trees, oceans, whales and other species, we humans rate close to the bottom of the list.

    • C. Smith

      Well…the Pagans apparently had it correct – the earth is alive and does support us with energy, and is indeed a part of God, not God itself!
      Soo giving a little worship or big worship to Mother/Father earth only worships its Creator in turn which is what Christians FAIL miserably to do. I born into Christianity but I no longer need a LABEL to say who I am.
      Afterall, I am God – like it or not.

      The statement made by Hume is indeed one that is cloudy and can indeed be rightfully interpreted in the ways it has been…

      Christianity is one of the biggest sins against mankind in that it has taken hypocrisy to the highest level: Jesus was a Jew with a Jewish religion, yet somehow that religion and his teachings were covered with a NEW religion named Christianity which was a shammy consolidation of all the Christed religions. Jesus was indeed a Christ (a title only) which we can all reach one day.

      DONT FORGET THAT HISTORY SHOWS THERE WERE OVER 16 DIFFERENT CHRISTS But somehow (by blood shed of millions of course) Christianity is our new LABEL!

      Sad when we do not seek the Truth but hang on to dear life to something that contradicts exactly what God is!!

      • Roger

        C. Smith – Congratulations! You are officially recognized as one of the duped legions for the coming antichrist. Only when it’s too late will you realize your error. Pitiful to be so self-deluded.

        • Mark C.

          Self-deluded… like believing in a 2000 year old person written about over 1500 years ago by people, who if you met them today, you’d probably wouldn’t even let into your own house, and many would have the first reaction of “terrorist”. But you believe in it anyway, yet most of the ‘Christians’ I’ve met can’t even tell you who wrote the bible, or how it came to be… but they ‘self-delude’ themselves to the point they would never question it at all, cause it would be blasphemous to think with the brain their creator bestowed upon them now wouldn’t it. Self deluded… HA!

          • denniso

            The point about the Hume comment is that he’s supposed to be a journalist,not a preacher. It’s a silly comment and also insulting to other religions,which he probably doesn’t know much about anyway.

          • Michael J.

            Denniso,
            You are a fine one to be complaining about silly comments insulting religions that he probably doesn’t know anything about.
            I didn’t know you could earn/acheive a P.H.D. in Duplicity but, after reading your meandering mantra in and out of issues with no apparrent principles, just a child like desire to win the argument.

          • Dora

            I just wish we had MORE with the GUTS to speak out for Jesus Christ. He HONORS those who HONORS and LOVE him. He is coming back and I hope this doubting, godless society we live in now changes before he makes his appearance.

          • Meteorlady

            Most all Christians that I have met indeed do know who wrote the Bible. They have bible study at least once a week. While I don’t participate, I do believe in some type of higher being. I also think that if more people practices religious principles this country would be much better off. I respect all the Christians that I have met and would not deem it appropriate to insult or make fun of them for believing in something. Has the ACLU really helped us in this country? We now have hip/hop music that insults women, used foul language and sells itself using sex. The moral fabric of this country is degrading and we need to get back the values like honest, morality, and most of all respect for our fellow citizens.

          • Claire

            MeteorLady–Egad! I agree with you on this. My granddaughters listen to this music. Almost all teenagers do. I am no prude, but this music is nasty. When they are at my house, I do not allow it and I do not allow them to watch some of those crummy programs on TV. They get really angry but I tell them that this is the way it is in my home and if they want to listen to that sick stuff they can go somewhere else. This sounds hardnose but I think some parents need to be better parents, including my daughter. I know my Mother would never tolerate hip-hop. My Mother had a hard time with Elvis. What happened to morals, ethics, and decency? Not all kids are bad, but sometimes I think are these kids going to be the leaders of our country some day? And then again, look at the leaders we have now.

          • ColinCody

            Though Dr. Josh McDowell and other experts in apologetics have written extensively concerning the authenticity of the Christian Scriptures, in the final analysis, the Bible and Christianity are self-authenticating, meaning that when you seek out and discover the true biblical principles of eternal life in Christ, they make profound sense. And when you commit to the terms of the covenant of salvation (Luke 9:23) and actually experience the forgiveness of God, His guidance, fellowship and watchcare, you begin to know at the deepest level of your being that it is true beyond the shadow of a doubt even though you may not understand much of it at that point.

          • Sutekh

            Well, Mark, your opinions are legit, but only if they apply to all religions, including atheism.

            The atheist claims that he knows for an absolute fact that there is no God/god. The only way to get out of agnostic territory and to know this for absolute certainty (and atheists are ABSOLUTELY sure,) is either to be godlike oneself, or to have a revelation from an intelligence surpassing human knowledge.

            Calling the source of divine revelation something other than God/god does not provide a loophole for the atheist to claim he has no irrational belief in superhuman knowledge. The fact that he misses no opportunity to attack beliefs of others that have no more rational basis than his own just makes crystal clear that the atheist (who claims to have no god) merely has a religion in which every man is his own god, and has the right to declare a holy war of intolerance against anyone who doesn’t agree with his particular brand of irrational beliefs.

            In every forum can be found an atheist who believes (with no scientific evidence whatsoever) that no god exists (other than himself) who is viciously and superciliously attacking the religious beliefs of others.

            If intolerance and irrationality is to be banned from all public discussion of religion, atheists would be the first to be thrown out, because irrationality is the hallmark of atheism. It is impossible to know anything for certainty, and “knowing for certain” to the extent of being willing to be rude and prosecutorial toward other with the claim there is no god or any sort or description certainly meets standards for irrationality.

            However, since atheism is the “religion” of the Taliban of Political Correctness, they continue to patrol the internet and public forums in order to chastise anyone whose irrational beliefs disagree with their own irrationality so they can beat them into compliance.

            No one is fooled by atheists who hate Christianity, but pose a tolerant attititude toward violent religions like Islam. It is only a pose. Atheists pretty much hate any religion that disagrees with their irrational “knowledge” and favoritism shown nonchristian religions is only an irrational means of trying to irritate Christians.

            Anyone who is willing to attack Christianity, but Christianity only, is the equivalent of a stormtrooper “looking for Jews at the scene of the crime.”

            Sutekh

        • http://Don'thaveone Sally

          You are so right Roger however, this was all predicted. The only thing we believers can do is pray for them and like you say “When the catastrophy happens, called the Rapture, catastrophy for unbelievers and you are left behind – have fun because me and mine are out of here!!! Then all of the religions of the world will be under the False Witness as a One World Religion headed up by you know who!!!! Only believers are taken out, the rest have to stay.

          • Anthonyh

            In my many years of life, I have learned to run away from anyone who announces that they are a “christian” as I know the next thing coming out of their mouth will be severe judgement against me. These so called christians (notice the small “c”) really need to READ their bible rather than swallow what the preachers are telling them while insisting on 10% of their income to pay for their sins (and incidentally make themselves rather wealthy). I have read the bible and use if as a guideline in my life. Dr. Robert Schuller said two interesting things that all christians should keep in mind; “It is better to SHOW others you are a christian than it is to TELL them you are” and “It is much better to worship the way than it is to worship the wayshower.” Jesus was a Jew and did not practice Christianity; Peter rather made that up. The bible was editied by the Catholic church at the Council of Nicea and changed to give the church authority over the monarchies of Europe, which gave them taxing authorities (how do you think the Vatican got its original wealth?). The seperation of church and state is a gaurantee of the U.S. Constitution and for any politician to introduce relegion into the government is basically unconstitutional. The christians who rant so vehomently against Islamic terrorists seem to be commenting on their own reflection in the mirror. I do NOT want these fundamentalist idiot trying to control my life; they just turn me so against christianity in its most hyporitical and arrogant fairy tales.

          • Anthony

            BTW: I am looking forward to the rapture and hope it occurs very soon as the earth would be much better off without the christians fouling it up. The bible makes us all stewards of the planet and responsible for its health.

          • Joe H.

            Anoth,
            actually if you have read the bible as you profess to, you would know that the meek shall inherit the earth!!!!

          • denniso

            There are certainly good people who are Christians,as there are good people who are other religions or no religion. Sadly,most Christians are hypocrites who don’t even follow what they profess Jesus taught. If they did follow the best of Jesus’s words,our country would be much better off. If Jesus returned the hypocrites would be the first to toss him in jail or lynch him for his radical beliefs…homeless,begging and telling the rich to give their $$ away.All of it,not just a percent or two.

        • http://www.personalliberty.com CHRISTINA LUFT

          Thank Goodness it’s Friday, right ROGER??
          I really detest being the “Know-it-All” Type….and I’m not that type. It’s just that on January 22nd (shoot me…I’m always late! ;-D )…You
          made a very pertinent and at any other time in my life, I would have said ” A very true statement regarding the *COMING* of the Anti-Christ.
          On Fox News Sean Hannity sometimes quotes a “journalist” who is on MSNBC-who-during the 2008 Presidential election campaign once described the feeling he got when he heard Obama speak as a “TINGLING SENSATION GOING DOWN HIS LEGS.” I got a distinct feeling when I 1st saw/heard obama…>>>pure EVIL..THE ANTI-CHRIST HAS ARRIVED ROGER..examine what good deeds he’s done..racially divided a nation-covered the CROSS @ NOTRE DAME w/a sheet…(why did he choose to give a speech @ a Catholic University if he was a Vampire or what not??…Is presently building a MOSQUE @ GROUND ZERO….CHEATED TO GET ELECTED…said Grandma died the day before he got elected, then didn’t go to her funeral?????? NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE? LAVISH PARTIES, AND COOKS FLOWN IN FROM THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY WHILE THE REST OF THE NATION STARVES…BANKRUPTS US FURTHER DAILY AND BLAMES GEORGE W. BUSH?? Lets only MINORITIES get ahead now…reverse discrimination…T.E.A. Party TOLD TO SHUT UP or BE labled RACIST???
          ACORN-THE BIGGEST AND MOST CROOKED JOKE OF AN ORGANIZATION IN HISTORY–RIVALING ONLY THE 3RD REICH….I COULD GO ON AND ON….AN ANTI-CHRIST….IF THERE IS/WILL BE MORE THAN ONE IS barack HUSSEIN obama. FOR SURE! IF THERE IS TO BE BUT 1 ANTI-CHRIST, I’M CLINGING TO MY BIBLE AND MY WEAPON FOR THE SECOND 2 YEARS OF HIS REIGN FROM H_L_!!!
          Beware…the gnashing of teeth is about to get REALLY LOUD!!!
          Christina

      • martha

        You are the closest thing to satan (obama) I have heard yet!! Go join the muslems in their country where you can continue to destroy itm we will not let you destroy the United states. GOD BLESS AMERICA

        • Patriot_in_Arms

          Amen Martha!!

        • http://Yahoo Dee D

          Martha – My God tells me to judge not, lest I be judged. What do you not understand?

      • Roberto B Evans

        “The fool has said in his heart,’There is no God.’” Psalm 14:1 & 53:1

        • B.J Dalton

          Amen!!!

      • Harold Olsen

        Spoken–or should I say written?–like a true anti-Semite and religious bigot.

        • http://Don'thaveone Sally

          I don’t understand about anti-semanic or bigot. All the old testiment plus first 5 books of the new plus the balance of the new testament after removing Romans thru Philemans are for Jew only and for learning of the belivers (I guess Christains to you).

        • Joe H.

          harold,
          Just how is that Anti-Semite??? Even the Jewish believe in GOD!!!!

          • http://Yahoo Dee D

            Joe – They just don’t believe he’s been here yet or crucified. Could that be because their people killed him and they still think they are the chosen ones?

          • Joe H.

            that depends on whether you mean orthodox Jews or not. Some DO believe in Jesus and that he will come again!!!

        • David

          I guess you do not realize that Semitic refers to the Arabs as well as the Jews. A common mistake. It is a word derivative for the children of Shem.

        • http://Yahoo Dee D

          Man makes the big mistake of rewriting anything that will correspond with his lifestyle and thinking. It does not work like that. We need a lot more true Christianity and much less hypocrisy in our lives. It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a hypocrite to get into heaven.

      • kat preston

        First of all, the title of “Christian” was given to those who followed the teachings of Christ Jesus ( Yeshua). True, he was one of many who said he was the Messiah. Also true, he is the ONLY ONE who fulfilled all 300+ prophecies that were foretold about the Messiah, hundreds of years before he was born. Truth: the desciples were not the only ones who witnessed the miracles he performed, they were also recorded by many greeks and romans as well, many of whom were against him and were non believers. Truth: He was tortured, hung on a cross,died, was buried in a tomb, and was resurrected on the 3rd day. Some say that his followers removed him . That was impossible because the tomb was sealed by a massive rock, which was guarded by ; not just a few slodiers, but a battalion of them.

        • Anthony

          All the truths you speak of have never been proven – NEVER. You are speaking on pure faith only and are mis-reading the bible. To dismiss entire books as being Jewish is such a laughable hypocracy and only demonstrates the christian’s game plan of selective believing (they only believe what they wan and what will serve their purpose and hubris). It is interesting to me that the two relegions who prefer judging over loving are the right-wing fanatical christians and muslims.

          • Korey

            Anthony,

            You say that Christians should focus on loving. Do you consider your posts here loving toward Christians?

          • Alexander

            Anthony,
            If Christians pick and choose what we believe, according to you…What do you believe in? In Idols, Mother Nature or Man?
            You are lost in the Jungle of your own mind. May God have mercy on you!

          • DamnYankee

            There is a world of difference between a Christian and living a Christ-like life. Many Christians do not live according to Christ’s teaching. Not all who call themselves “Christian” live a Christ-like life, so those of other religions, or of no religion have a legitmate “beef”. However, one should not call the kettle black, unless they are living up to the standards of a Christ-like life.

          • libertytrain

            DamnYankee – excellent points —-

      • Gary

        Hello, C. I’m not one to post replies on the internet, but for some reason, I feel led to share with you. You sound like you have really given the topic of sin a great deal of thought. Being aware of such a concept, esp. on a personal level, places one closer to an understanding of his or her need for Jesus as the ultimate friend. Please “hear me out.” The creator of the universe has entrusted this earth to us for a season, and we are to care for it while we are here. God has loaned us this planet, but more importantly, He has sacrificially given us His Son, so that once our bodies return to the dust of the earth, our souls can be restored to Him. No doubt, you have much to be frustrated, and yes, even angry about, but – as one who formerly took time to shout obscenities at God, allow me to state the obvious: Misdirected anger is a dangerous thing. Is it not only plausible that many “christs” have come along, but that people – in a way – designate and worship their self-appointed “christs” within the context of their experiences and envrironments? Does this activity continue to play itself out on a daily basis? In the end, the only question that truly counts is this: Will I choose Jesus as my Christ? Jesus knows what people say about Him. He is most concerned with what you believe about Him, because He loves you, body . . . and soul. Please don’t allow any earth-bound creature to distort your view of the One who loves you, and wants to rescue your soul. I hope one day we can share an enthusiastic smile with one another as we stand in the presence of Jesus. He REALLY DOES LOVE YOU!

        • Miles C

          AMEN to Gary!. We have to accept our belief in Jesus on faith. I can personally say from experience the true freedom that comes from being forgiven by the BLOOD of JESUS on the cross and the peace that comes with this faith. I don’t have to tell everyone that I meet on the street that I am a Christian. They should be able to see it by the way I act and treat them in my business dealings with them. This is what Britt Hume was talking about–the forgiveness of sin and the peace that comes with it. We need more people to state the truth and not sit back and let the non-believers dictate our policies. GOD BLESS AMERICA!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Thank you very much sir. I really dont know how people can actually vent hate at the One, that stretched out His arms and said, “I love you this much”, and took the nails for all of us. How can one hate on that? Its got to be the darkness in them, because how you do hate on love? I cannot comprehend it.

      • Athrillofhope

        “Afterall, I am God–like it or not.”

        How original. My child says this–as does EVERYONE–in one form or another. We ALL “say” that “we are god” whenever we live in denial of the true and living God and His love and authority and pretend that “what is right for us” is all that matters. From the fall of Satan onward, this has been the crux of sin for all free moral agent personalities (angelic, human, or otherwise).

        Tragically, you think you are somehow more “enlightened” and “consciousness-raised” than a 5 year old child defying my parental authority. That pretty much sums up the entire socialist-liberal movement.

        • ColinCody

          A Thrill of Hope…..You are entirely correct. Everyone who has not ratified the terms of the sacred contract of salvation from God through Christ Jesus (Luke 9:23) lives supremely for him or herself and thus, in effect, worships himself. Those who admit be being “god” are at least honest enough to admit the obvious even though they have an entirely false “god.” That god cannot forgive them of their sins and thus they cannot shake the profound awareness of personal guilt that drives many people to the psychiatrist’s office. That god cannot miraculously save them in time of serious illness or other danger. That god does not meet the need for fellowship between God and man. Ultimately, the god of the liberals is a failed god who cannot meet our needs in any genuine way. That is why Ann Coulter entitled one of her books about liberals “Godless.” All those who are essentially atheists should read Dr. Schroeder’s great book, “The Hidden Face of God” for incontrovertible proof from modern microbiology that our “imaginary” God is very real indeed.

      • Patriot_in_Arms

        You are God huh? Hey, tell me what I’m thinking? You think it’s alright to worship the creation (Earth, science) instead of the Creator? God WILL NOT BE MOCKED C. Smith, in the way I am mocking your “Mortal” bag of bones right now! You are a deceived fool my friend & I would strongly suggest you learn who GOD is & what pleases him, before you get yourself in hot brimstone! For you to call yourself a “God”, like it or not, is blasphemy! Go on with your twisted ideology, because you will face a sovereign & just God one day. If you continue to deny Christ as your savior, you will have no chance in judgment. You’d better think long & hard about that!!!!

        • denniso

          Why don’t you guys go to church to discuss God? Can’t you separate your religion from your politics? Shouldn’t your personal religious beliefs be just that,personal?

          • http://Yahoo Dee D

            There are too many preachers standing in a pulpit preaching government issues and trying to get their congregation on board. Church is for God’s word. Keep politics out of the house of the Lord. Take their C-3 status away – have them pay taxes – then we might see a little change.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            In response to Dee D, its is against the law for pastors to preach politcal preference from the pulpit. A church that does this can and will lose their tax exempt status, and be stripped of everything. Well, unless your like a Rev. Wright that gets a free pass, but the normal church would be heavily penalized.

          • ColinCody

            Our great Creator God is interested in everything that effects His spiritual children just as you are interested in everything that effects your physical children. Therefore, Christianity and Christians should be involved in all aspects of life. For the biblically defined Christian, our faith has implications for our lives involving everyone around us and our entire political system. To ignore something so very important as our faith as it relates to politics would be an abrogation of our faith to no small degree. For much too long, the “church” has ignored this profound truth and now suffers the consequences of that stupidity.

          • Joe H.

            Beberoni,
            not always. If so the Catholic church would have lost theirs long ago when they first started amnesty in their churches!! They also started preaching sanctuary for illegals in their churches also!!! If that’s not political then I don’t know what is!!!

          • Kim McGough

            Brit Hume, to bad that there are not more like in the media, at least there might be more truth in this country. God gave everyone free will, you can believe by faith in Jesus or you don’t have too. that is everyones own choice. It is not to put believers or non-believers down. Sure you will find hyprocrites, but the true christain can feel the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. I have seen some very bad and mean people receive Jesus as their saviour, and they changed instantly, no other religion can do that. Make fun of us if you want to, you are not hurting us. We have a peace that can only come from a higher form than any of you non believers could possible imagine. Jesus came that all who believed might have salvation. He showed love for His own people (i.e. the Jews) but as prophecied was rejected and crucified, hey read Isaih 53, written long before His time. He sent His followers to teach the world about Him and the salvation that He offers, He came to save the world, not just the people. Good luck in finding the truth for it will set you free, and you can be free in any kind of society. When he returns the Jewish country will have a second chance to accept Him and they will. Yes this country was founded on christain and Jewish principals, and the 10 commandments. Yes some of you will be glad to see the christians gone, but woe unto you and what is coming. Yes the Catholic Church changed christain teachings from the true form and terrorised the early church and killed any that went against them in the name of God, Not much differnet than radical islam, I saaid this not to put todays Catholic down but as a truth of history. They supressed the people and ruled the world for years, that is why our founding fathers out the clause that the government couldn’t establish a church and the church coudln’t run the government. but it does not say anything about separation of church and state, that was penned by Jefferson to a Baptist minister, and is not a law of this land. Now back to the Catholic, if they live by their Bible and have accepted Jesus as their saviour then they are christain and the early acts of the church have no bearing on them. Note that we are supposed to be loving and forgiving and know that we don’t have to judge because the fruits of the person will judge them. Being a christain just means that we are saved by the works that Jesus preformed on the cross and our belief in Him

      • American Citizen

        There is only one Jesus, the Christ, in the Bible. There were forerunners who foretold of the true Christ’s coming.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I am praying for you right now man. The darkness has you surrounded. I know, I was there once. There is much better out there, all youve got to do is look, and ask, and the door will open to you. Try it out man, youve got everything to gain. If Im wrong, no one hurt. If Im right, uh oh, maybe you should have looked into it.

      • Dale

        There are SOME hypocrites even in the Christian Church. There are even SOME ‘Christian leaders’ who are planted to distort the Bible and destroy Christianity – PURPOSEFULLY – who deceive many. Just because manure can be covered with chocolate and made to look good on the outside does not change what it is. As a person thinks – so is he. ‘ Stinking thinking’ comes from inside and expresses it self outwardly.
        The biggest hypocrites that exist are the ones who purposefully deceive themselves into being independent of their Creator. They try to look good to their peers while covering up their inward needs. As an older individual who became a Christian, not born that way, I know the following as a fact. — Happiness is fleeting. Happiness depends on circumstances while joy does not. It is the fact that when all goes ‘your way’ then you feel good. When things are not that way then you are not a happy camper. So you turn to people who are ‘happy campers’ (who make you feel good about yourself) . You turn to buddies (think like you or amuse you), cursing, comedy, booze, sex, drugs etc to make you feel better.
        Your happiness is like a roller coaster – sad, happy, mellow, hyped, etc. The one thing is missing is joy. — God’s joy helps people sing in prison, face death for what they believe with strength and courage, helps people who were born in obscurity reach out and become successful, etc. God’s joy – not ‘happiness pumps’ gives real ENJOYMENT no matter what is going on around you – good or bad! There is no substitute for real JOY and nothing elevates your soul like it. No God then no Joy – only bouts of reaching out more and more things, drugs, sex, etc as substitutes – which give happiness for a brief time and fizzle out – demanding more and more to be ‘happy’. Just think about it before you attack Christians and show such prejudice against those who pursue joy while you pursue self adulation.

        • Allison

          I was so moved by your expression of “walking in faith”. I meet woman and men every day who complain for the sake of complaining. It’s almost like they don’t feel normal unless something is wrong so they can stew in it. I chose to look at a greater plan of optimisim that God has for us. Reasons why things happen they way they do are met with grace and hope because of our faith in Jesus. To turn away from God as one get’s older is almost like living in early childhood, in denial. I don’t associate with people who have the woe’s me attitude. Dust yourself off everyday and realize we are living in God’s plan for us. Gratitude is God’s greatest gift.

      • http://N/A txdc

        C. Smith—Your words, “… yet SOMEHOW that religion and his teachings…” make it clear that you talk about that of which you know nothing. And saying you Are God and then call God “it” couldn’t say any plainer that you are so completely ignorant that “it” is a good expression for yourself, for your mouth spills out idiot statements all over the page, such as, ” I born into Christianity but I no longer need a LABEL to say who I am.” I don’t know what you were born into, but if you were you should understand that God could strike you dead at any second for such blasphemy. I am so sorry you don’t have enough sense to learn the Bible and and who God really is, for without it you will burn in hell for all eternity. Just keep spouting your vile words and I almost believe you are Satan himself. But he’s god more intelligence than you do. Reading filth like yours makes me want to vomit, literally, just knowing that there are so many like you in what used to be a great country. Idiots like you, with the inability to learn and not enough sense to even know how badly you should learn something BEFORE you speak about it or reach any conclusion about anything are exactly the ones who have destroyed. People with any decency at all should not have to be exposed to your kind at all! I’ll bet you have no clue about our Constitution either. It’s easier to just foam at the mouth like a mad dog. You are a disgusting human being and I will pray that God will get you by the collar and teach you a few things for your own sake.

      • Steve P.

        Dear C. Smith, I feel so sorry for you and people like you. You think you are a god? When is the last time you spoke anything into existence? If you are truly as enlightened as you believe you are, when is the last time that you cut yourself and did not bleed? Or do you honestly believe that you will overcome Death all by yourself? In the still hours of the night, do you pray to yourself, or do you seek another? You are not fooling me for one minute, my friend, even though you are trying to fool yourself. Fool being the operative word here. These are not my words, but the Holy Bible, ” The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God ” However, there is redemption for even people like you. As a matter of fact, Christ died just for people like you. Turn to Him before it is too late. Whoever you are, I love you and wish only the very best for you and people like you. May God bless you.

      • David

        Why complain about the clouded vision of your neighbor when you have a stick of lumber in your own eye? Satan is as Satan does.

      • ColinCody

        C. Smith….It is abundantly clear that you are the one holding on to beliefs that contradict what God is. Were you to carefully examine your pantheism, you would see how thoroughly out of contact with reality it is. Modern science is discovering design at a very high level in all that it studies. That design implies a highly intelligent designer. It is a logical absurdity to think that the universe which has no intellect designed and created itself. The universe cannot be God or part of God and neither can you.

        Jesus was indeed a Jew and, as a biblically defined Christian, so am I. Jesus raised Judaism to its highest level and remained a Jew. All those who follow Him are, likewise, Jews in the most profound sense. True Judaism is now biblical Christianity, and many of those who claim to be Jews are only Hebrews, not Jews. My girlfriend is a Messianic Jew, meaning that she is genetically a Hebrew who worships Jesus as the true Jewish Messiah. She also refers to herself as a biblically defined Christian.

      • Sp

        Listen to emogeen

      • George Taylor

        In reading your comment – I find nothing new – I’ve heard this type thinking from those who consider themselves too intelligent for God all along. Regardless of how much man may learn – there is within all humans the thought “we will answer to a higher power at the end of our earthly life” – that’s where claiming to be God will force all to accept the truth. As for denying Jesus the Christ – again nothing new – once man deny’s “self” and accepts Jesus they can see and that is when the “truth will indeed set man free”. Intelligent as man may think he has become – again nothing new – Satan has and is telling people this lie daily. I would hope you would – re-think your position on this matter and be willing to study and take another look at what Jesus means to Christians and why we embrace Him and the Christian way of life.

      • Diane

        C., you are wrong in every single way in which a person can be wrong about Christ and Christianity. You probably haven’t gotten a reply in quite awhile, right? Well, take this as a “sign” from yourself (god) that you need to look into Christianity with a different heart – that it MAY be right, and allow God (with a big “G” this time) to do what God does best – show you the truth about these things. Forgiveness is necessary for redemption. You can forgive yourself, but you certainly can’t redeem yourself. God (big G) forgave the world in Christ’s sacrificial death, descent into hell, and ascension to the mercy seat in heaven. Your faith in Him and His sacrifice for YOU and your sin, personally, is what redeems you. In THAT way, you kind of ARE god – you have the right to do with that as you wish.

    • Karen

      Did you know that Islam is opposed to abortion and gay marriage as well? Watch those contradictions!

      • DaveH

        But Islam isn’t opposed to complete domination of the citizens, which is what the Liberal Goal really is.
        They can cry about saving the earth, or being compassionate for the misfortunate, or saving us from religion, but their ultimate goal is just plain Absolute Power. Anything else they say is just a smokescreen.

        • Karen

          NIce. So that gives you the license to classify everything I say as either proof of my desire to dominate you, or a smokescreen to mask the fact that I’m trying to dominate you. Well, keep me out of your kinky fantasies!

          By the way, Christianity isn’t opposed to complete domination of the populace, either. Witness the middle ages.

          • Patriot_in_Arms

            Hey Karen, our entire free society was framed on Biblical principles. Such as we are born free, so there for, we should live free. That we have a GOD GIVEN RIGHT to free speech, self defense, freedom of religions & so on. The Catholics of old were the ones who tried to dominate & enslave man kind using the fear of God & Hell as their weapon of choice. They focused on the fear of God instead on the Love of God! Now the fact that so many are attacking Bret Hume over this just goes to show how free we are to practice our religion now days.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Hey Karen, are you aware of what happened in the so called Middle Ages, that these people realized how wrong they were, and went through a reformation to make sure these terrible things never happened again? You are aware of the reformation, arent you? Then also, are you aware, that Islam and the Muslim religion has never undergone a reformation? They need to, as they are living in the dark ages, and to kill yourself and innocents, and tell the people practicing it that they will get rewarded with 77 virgins in heaven, in straight out of the bowels of hell. Im sure that 100 percent of these guys, when they die, reach a place and say “Oh crap, I was wrong”. 100 percent. If you dont know Jesus, you dont go to heaven. If you dont have the Son, you dont have the Father, so says The Lord our God.

          • DaveH

            Believe me Karen, you aren’t even close to being in my fantasies.

          • denniso

            Karen…DaveH is psychotic about his hatred of ‘liberals’ or ‘progressives’ or anyone who is not rightwing or libertarian. He’s deluded into being a pawn for the rightwing under the guise of ‘libertarianism’. This religious stuff makes it clear why the founders wanted to keep religion and the State separate.

          • Smilee

            Denniso

            VERY WELL SAID!!! THANKS

          • ColinCody

            Karen….Catholicism of the middle ages wanted to dominate the population as do they today, however, Catholicism is the end result of the utter apostasy of the early church. It is thus pagan and not genuinely Christian.

            Genuine Christians have never had such a desire. We would like to influence entire populations to turn voluntarily to Christ for forgiveness and restored right relationship with God, but we are all well aware that we cannot force anyone to become a committed Christian or believe Christian truth. We also believe that Christian societal values benefit a nation and all the people therein, but we only seek to legitimately influence legislation in that regard, not dictate it.

      • Harold Olsen

        They are also opposed to birth control as are Catholics. True Islam is not really that much different than Christianity. The trouble is, most people wrongly equate Islam with what happened on 9/11. Those killers were not true followers of Islam. They not only hijacked some planes they hijacked a religion as well. The so-called muslim extremists are not true muslims.

        • George

          I’d really like to believe that. I’ve got a few Muslim friends, and like them very much. However, I have noticed that when they do offer an opinion, they often speak out against our foreign policies, which gives me some cause for concern.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          One of the very tenants of their religion is that if someone thinks different than you, that you are to kill them because they are infidels. In my religion, Christianity, I pray for them to find the light of Jesus in their life, not kill them because they are different.

          • ColinCody

            Former Muslims converted to Christ are saying that Islam is totally contradictory to biblical Christianity. There is no middle ground. They also say that the Quoran makes it impossible for there to be “moderate” Muslims. Once they gain political power in a country, they will all cut your head off if they want to. If we do not soon begin deporting them, that could easily happen here in the next 50 years or less. Do you want your children and grandchildren to live as abject slaves to an Islamic totalitarian dictatorship here in the US? I would hope not.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Yeah, and they say they are opposed to naked women and prostitution and all that, but everyone of the 9-11 bombers had papertrails showing them to have been in stripbars and with prostitutes. And also, they believe that in killing innocent people, people they dont even know that have never done anything to them, that they get to go to heaven and have 77 virgins. That is some kind of sick theology there, I dont care who you are. Kill yourself and others and get rewarded by God? No, I dont think so. In fact, I know there is no way.

    • Lawrence

      In response to:
      C. Smith says:
      January 22, 2010 at 7:24 am

      What???? Where the heck did you get such warped view of Christianity? Can you give me historical proof of your hilarious claim of these combining of christed religions? I had to read your posting again, becuase I thought surley you were kidding. No one would write such a rediculous claim, unless they had it “out” for the Christian faith. Have you examined it with an open mind? Read 1 John. It could change your life.

      • Joe H.

        lawrence,
        I believe that Smith would do better to give some thought to John 3:16
        “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that who so ever believeth in him shall not perish but have life ever after!!!
        I think that says it all!!!! If I live right I’ll be with my Lord after I leave this shell behind. That living right includes believing in him and his son!!!!!

    • L.R.

      GOD bless AMERICA, and GOD bless Brit Hume!

      • Dale

        YES! Thank you Brit Hume for being fair and balanced in your reporting and not quiet or prejudiced like so much of your media colleagues!!!! All of these attacks against Christians are centered around people who are ‘hatemongers’ calling others that are different ‘hatemongers’.

        It is like a TV show once, Get Smart, when the psychologist was asked what the group he belonged to was then he responded, “We are a hate group! We hate–hate! Hate it!” Ha!

        The funny thing is that so many people who point their bony fingers critical of others also have 4 fingers pointing back at them! Think about it!

    • Mike

      Michael J:
      I think they do want to remove at least one religion from the public square – Christianity. They don’t say it now (as yet, they haven’t ascended to complete power). But, they’d like to. Christianity take notice. Whenever extreme liberalism has become governmentally dominant they have taken out Jews and Bible believing Christians. Jews because Hebrews are the people (Israel the land) to whom Christ will return and rule over. Satan will do anything possible to get rid of all of them (and just about succeed). Satan annihilates Biblically accurate Christians because they are the only thing powerful enough to beat him – if they carry The Word of Truth, doing the things John 14:12 says is their privilege to do. Remember, Paul said,”the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.”(I Cor. 4) Talk is cheap; got the proof? Biblical accuracy is important to God if you want to move something. Other stuff is just flabber-blat.

    • don

      Interesting monolog but what has all of this to do with the Britt Hume Tiger Woods episode?

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      Michael J,

      Sorry….I just got a chance to read a few of your comments…..and man…did you ever nail it with this one!

      Fed Up Gal

  • Robert

    So where was the media, liberals and the rest when Rev. Wright said “God Damn America”? Brit Hume’s comments are a far cry from Wright’s treasoness statement. But then, this is America and there is something called Freedom of Speech in this country. Mr. Hume is free to voice his opinions, just the same as all of us are. Keith Olbermann and Rachel Madden are the two most obnoxious people in cable news today. I just don’t appreciate that these two are able to walk on water.

    • Karen

      You must not have been paying attention. That was dragged through the mainstream media for months and months on end.

      • Robert

        Oh really? My TV must have been tuned into China’s TV stations last year. What I saw on mainstream media was a “Oh, by the way,the right wingers are at it again. Anything to beswirch Obama seems to be their agenda and they are taking Rev. Wrights comments out of context”. The only time mainstream media said anything is when Fox continued their coverage and mainstream media went on the attack. Anyone else agree with Karen’s statement?

        • Ben

          Boo hoo! Cry us a river all you radical Pagens. Judgement will come and “EVERY” knee will bow to the one true “GOD” that “CHRISTIANS” believe in.

          • Anthony

            I pity the poor bastards who were on the earth before Jesus came to save everyone. I find the christian right to be demeaning, angry, bigoted, prejudice, and just as judgemental as the Islam fundamentalists. I don’t recall reading justification for the Crusades anywhere in the bible – the raping, pillaging, and murder of innocent non-believers in the name of God (sounds just like the Islamic terrorists to me).

          • Joe H.

            Anthony,
            And I pity you. what have you gained if you lose God????

          • denniso

            Ben…rightwing ‘Christians’ want it both ways and sadly most are hypocrites who dont live at all as Jesus suggested.

          • Michael J.

            Anthony,
            Show me an example of any ancient culture that did not engage in rape, pillaging or the murder of innocents as a matter of policy.
            Modern Christianity does not condone violence of any kind. Most current western cultures and religions have evolved into more friendly, tolerant societies, except, in part Islam which for the most part is practiced by peaceful people, but whose Quran still contains words like Jihad, Infidels and Honor Killings.
            Your assertion that contemporary christians are in any way comparable
            to radical Islam is profoundly absurd.

          • George

            Anthony,

            You may not see a difference between Christianity and Islam, but I just ask you to consider the issues you cite with Christianity occurred hundreds of years ago. The issues we’re having with radicals of the Islamic faith are occurring today. We cannot change what happened in the past, nor should we be held accountable for things our ancestors did, but we should be held accountable for the things we do today and in the future during our lifetimes. Humans are fallible, so we sometimes do bad things for good reasons. (As a liberal, I would think you would see this because liberals do it all the time.) We just need to learn from our mistakes and try to improve as we go along. That goes for people of all faiths alike.

          • denniso

            Michael J…you say that Christianity does not condone violence of any kind. Then the conservative Christians who supported Cheny’s invasion of Iraq are not true Christians? I agree w/ you..Jesus would not have supported that horrific unnecessary war and the vast majority of supposed Christians in this country are no such thing and are only hypoctites.

          • Michael J.

            Denniso,
            First of all, this was not Cheney’s war, it was the peoples war.
            There was no significant difference between the position the Bush administration had on invading Iraq and the position held by prominent Democrats like Bill & Hilary Clinton, Al Gore, Joe Leiberman or John Kerry.
            In short, the overwhelming majority of Democrats, Republicans and the international intelligence community beleived and openly stated that Saddam Hussein had WMD, was harboring Al Qaeda and needed to be dealt with.
            Now unless I am mistaken, most of the above mentioned are Christian and were reacting to a perceived threat to all humanity perpetrated by a dictator who put his own people through what was desribed as a human cuisinart just for laughs.
            take your revisionist history some where else, it will not play here.

          • eyeswideopen

            Michaqel, “modern Christianity doesn’t condone violence at all” Are you kidding? What about Uganda who wants legislation to kill the gays in that country? Those are Chrisitan politicians who are proposing those laws. Oh, that’s right, Faux news probably didn’t cover that issue. Here’s some additional info for you, our Christian Congressmen have been extensively involved with those politicians.

          • Michael J.

            Ewo,
            Who cares what they do in Uganda? This is America! I think we should tend to our own problems here before giving thought to another country which is probably filled with their own corupt leaders and foreign usurpers hell bent on destroying their constitution.
            XOXO Michael J.

          • eyeswideopen

            Michael, just correcting your error about Modern Christianity not being violent. You obviously don’t care about factual information, so be it. You appeared as though you were someone who didn’t make off handed inaccurate statements, my mistake. But I wonder how you can get mad at the Dems for lying when you, yourself are? Uganda, is something we should be concerned about as our Senators are over there putting their big noses in another countries business.

          • Michael J.

            EWO,
            Facts are, the only gays being sentenced to death in Uganda are gays caught in the act of having gay sex with children. If this is an idea you support then sobeit.
            When I said “Who cares what they do in Uganda, this is America”. It was in response to your previous remark, “Who cares what they do in Saudi Arabia, this is America”.
            Sometimes you make about as much sense as a two eyed cyclops.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Joe H,

            Excellent point!

            Fed Up Gal

          • eyeswideopen

            MichaelJ, you reacted without knowning what the law says. Please take notice of the word OR.
            Death Penalty for people who are considered serial offenders, are suspected of “AGGRAVATED HOMOSEXUALITY”. and are HIV positive, OR who engage in sexual acts with those under 18 years of age.
            I stated who cares about Saudi, because I don’t care if we can’t buy land there, or take a Bible into their country.I do however care when my Senators are medaling in another country and knowingly allow false information promoted by the radical Christian Right to be used to kill people. Maybe you should know a little history behind this bill. Americans,(some of our Christian Senators) gave a book that Richard Cohen, an unlicensed conversion therapist, who was expelled from the AMERICAN PHYCHLOGICAL ASSOC., The CANADIAN PHYCHLOGICAL ASSOC., and the AMERICAN SOCIOLOGAL ASSOC.,stated in a book that homosexuals are 12 times more likely to molest children. He has since admited that it was wrong and will be reprinted. That book and our Senators lack of opposition to the death penalty lead their legislators to draft the bill. Our “C” Street Senators, have been going to Uganda for years, and admitted that they knew about the bill and didn’t try to stop it. They even knew the information in the book was incorrect. Why should you be confused? Doesn’t the sentence “suspected of” in the bill bother you? As a Christian,and an American I am ashamed of the Senators and evangelicals such as Rick Warren, who at the least, stood by and did nothing to stop this atrocity until some American journalists got wind and made this public. Didn’t Fox have any coverage of this? If history serves me right, the Christians stood by while Hilter killed the Jews. Only this time a Conservative Christian, Richard Cohen was responsible for a death penalty bill in another country. His lies and the ignorance of the Ugandan’s to rely upon our Christian Senators to advise them on this subject is ugly and sad. Back to my point that your statement is incorrect, “Modern day Christians are not violent”. They are violent, and will condone killing if it promotes their religious beliefs.

      • David

        ONLY on Fox….that’s why you missed it, liberal!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        No. Fox News talked about it, as it was very relevant news the whole country should know about. But ABC, CBS,NBC, CNN and MSNBC, pretty much gave him a free pass, as he is associated with left wing liberals, the democrats are left wing liberals, and the press is owned by left wing liberals, other than Fox. And they all wonder why Fox News ratings are so much higher than theirs. It doesnt dawn on them that America wants to hear the truth, not their agenda based lies.

        • Michele

          The other media organizations were ignoring Rev Wright and his hate speech.

          Spouting hatred and intolerance in the name of Jesus is not the right thing to do…even if you are an ardent Christian. God made all of us on this Earth. He made Christians but He also made Jews, Muslims, and even pagans. He didn’t put persons of other faiths on this Earth as a challenge to Christians to see if we could win them over to “our side”. He didn’t make the billions of persons of other faiths so that he could send them to Hell. He put them here because He loves them too. He made every man, woman, and child in His image.

          Comments on this post are why religion and politics need to stay separate. In societies where they aren’t separate we have problems like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan. In the USSR and China they banned all religion…that’s no good either. There needs to be a balance and for the last 250 years we have had that balance more or less. I have faith it will continue.

          Live and conduct yourself as a Christian…would Jesus be happy that you are using His name to be an intolerant bigot? Jesus wasn’t intolerant to the tax collector…he used kindness and patience to show him the Way. And if the tax collector hadn’t listened would Jesus have started to scream at him that he was going to Hell? Of course not.

          As far as environmentalism goes…since when does wanting to save the Earth from inhabitability make me less of a Christian? God gave us this Earth and all of the creatures on it so we would care for it and nurture it…otherwise it can’t support us. No mainstream environmental group wants to get rid of humans in favor of plants and animals…Al Gore isn’t trying to get rid of the human race. But do you think we can survive with polluted air and water? God expects us to have some common sense.

          Don’t bother replying to me and telling me I’m not the right kind of Christian or whatever. I am just the right kind of Christian.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Gee Michele, Im hoping this wasnt pointed at me, as I dont see what I said to deserve this response, but your reply was under my post. All I said was Rev. Wright was give a free pass.

      • Greg

        Karen..Karen..You say that like the good black power Rev. is your hero and that you were offended by all that..The point is it wasn’t dragged through for very long, except by Fox probably..One point on Fox..It is the highest rated..What does that tell you people about the silent majority??? CNN is moving more to the center..Ratings…It’s all about ratings..

      • George

        Karen,

        I have to agree with Robert on this one. The only time I heard the Rev. Wright story on MSM stations was in the context of how unfair conservatives were to Obama. I didn’t see that on Fox.

      • Claire

        Karen:

        You are correct on this too. I got sick and tired of hearing about Rev. Wright. There was hardly any world news- just Wright this and Wright that. They beat that into the ground literally.

        • Claire

          And notice–I did not blame Bush for this.

    • martha

      They won’t admit to even knowing the rev. They will forget what wright said and blame Bush for everything.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Thats all they got Martha, is to blame Bush. They did it for 8 years, and with the liberal media’s support, they got Obama elected. They are still trying to point the finger, only now, as more and more time passes, and they keep making more and more wrong turns, its getting where they are now pointing the fingers at each other, because they cant blame Bush for what theyve done, and they arent even going to be held responsible for what theyve done, so they point fingers at each other trying to save face. Very soon, very very soon, they will all throw Obama under the bus, to try to save face, as they are in a sinking ship and the whole they made in it is getting bigger and bigger by the day. The never had any plans, just to blame Bush. Dumb people elected them, and they still have no plans, and are shooting from the hip. Watch what happens election day in 2010 and 2012. Theyve allready gotten whupped up in Virginia, New Jersey and Massachusetts. Think they arent scared? Yep, they can smell what America is cooking, and its called dumping the dems.

        • George

          The problem the Democrats are having right now is that they’ve been pushing an agenda that’s out of step with what the majority of American people want. This is being driven by their far-left supporters, of which Obama is one. If Obama doesn’t make a right turn soon and get in step with America, the Dems will continue to lose big in upcoming elections. Bill Clinton had this problem, but he hired Dick Morris, changed his strategy, moved away from many in his party, and eventually won a second term. They still lost control of Congress, but ironically, Clinton actually benefitted from that because it was Newt Gingrich’s House that was determined to balance the federal budget, and did. Today, most people still give Clinton credit for that, even though Clinton was never a leader in proposing a budget surplus.

      • Joe H.

        martha,
        No, they didn’t ignore it, they didn’t hear it!!! Much like Clintoons I smoked it but I didn’t inhale speech!!!!

    • Ruthann

      its Maddow… (words removed for offensive content)

      • Jackie

        So I’m an idiot because I care about people and try to help them. I’m an idiot because I disagree with the homosexual lifestyle but love the person who is a homosexual anyway. I’m an idiot because I want to share the peace I’ve found in my faith in Christ. I’m an idiot because I don’t believe in abortion and try to find avenues other than abortion, yet don’t deny another women the right to make her own joice. I’m an idiot because I’m a Christian, then so be it!!! I’m an

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Jackie, just a note of encouragement to you. You are a wise person. This is what Christians do, they encourage each other, and they try to help all get better, and share the light of Jesus Christ. They do not blow up and kill someone because they think different than us. We pray for them. Our God, Jesus Christ is alive and well. All others are dead and in the grave, rotting away. If you dont have the Son, you dont have the Father. Take assurance in that, that you are on the right path, and pray with me for those who assault us, as this same Jesus they are afraid of, will deliver us from their evil.

      • Jackie

        So I’m an idiot because I care about people and try to help them. I’m an idiot because I disagree with the homosexual lifestyle but love the person who is a homosexual anyway. I’m an idiot because I want to share the peace I’ve found in my faith in Christ. I’m an idiot because I don’t believe in abortion and try to find avenues other than abortion, yet don’t deny another women the right to make her own joice. I’m an idiot because I’m a Christian, then so be it!!! I’m an IDIOT !!!

        • Anthony

          Us idiots who believe in humanity, forgiveness, compassion, stewardship of the earth, helping our fellow man, woman, and child, worshiping the physical creastions and pleasures that God gave us, mjust all stick together and resist falling victum to the grand hypocracy and judgements. Go Jackie!

          • eyeswideopen

            Sounds like a Liberal, with all that helping those who need it. Didn’t anyone tell you that the radical right doesn’t believe in saving the earth ? If it is a toss up between a corporation making money or saving a tree, stream, lake,ocean, or the atmosphere the corporations always win. Are you sure you are a Conservative? Definately sounds liberal.

          • George

            Eyes,

            Give me a break. Everyone wants to live on a clean and living earth. No one, except only the truly demented, would want to live in filth and kill the earth in the process. However, whenever you get the government involved in regulating our lives and taxing our wealth so they can control more of our lives and hire more people to regulate and tax us, etc, etc, some of us push back. Sometimes we aren’t all convinced the benefit is worth the cost. When it becomes clear that the benefit is real, and the only reasonable way to get to it is through more government control, then even conservatives will generally accept it. So please drop the “I’m better than you” attitude because there are no limits on how much of other people’s money you’d be willing to spend in the name of good intentions.

          • Joe H.

            Eyes,
            Name one other country that has done more to clean up its rivers and streams, planted more trees, or cleaned up its litter than the US!!! Take Lake Erie, it’s cleaner now than it was in the later 1800s. The lake was loaded down from the logging industry with mercury and other contaminates like phosphates and PVCs. now since controls on those substances have been enacted the lake is coming back stronger than ever!!! Now the liberals have fought against any controls on overseas ships that we now have all kinds of invasive species in the lake like gobies (a fish) and zebra mussels killing off the native species!!! good ole’ Canada has done nothing to stop it either! Another is the Asian Carp!!!!

          • denniso

            And, it was gov’t action fighting corporate America and most of the Repub party that cleaned up the rivers and lakes…they are not clean enough and more needs to be done. I wonder,will the corporations and the Repubs volunteer to do it?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            If you dont believe in Jesus Christ, Anthony, then you dont believe in forgiveness. Only thorough the name of Jesus Christ are sins forgiven. Thats it. There is no other way. If you think different, take it up with God. I dont make the rules, He does, and Im not going to argue with Him. You may pretend and fool yourself into thinking your arguing with me, but your not, its His word, not mine.

      • Marlo S

        Actually Ruthann, are you for real? Christians are the “tolerant” ones here and unfortunately we have tolerated folks like yourself, Olberman and Madcow for far too long. But God instructs us to forgive each other as He has forgiven us through His Son Jesus Christ. And so we do, knowing that one day we will all have to meet our maker and give an account of the faith that is in us. It is the prayer of the Christian that all men (and women) will see the error of their ways and turn to Christ Jesus for full and free forgiveness. For it is written in Galatians 5:19-21…”The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealosy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkeness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God”.
        No question, Britt Humes statements were right on target for Tiger Woods, and for folks like Olberman, Maddow, and yourself for that matter.

        • Anthony

          Ah – well I hope God, in his grace and mercy, will forgive Rev. Tony Alamo for taking under-age girls across states lines and having sex with them. He is a great example of the values of the Chrisitan right. And least we forget the beloved Pat Robertson whose latest remarkis about the Haitians and their bring on their own punishment by means of a killer earthquake. When we have christian leaders like these boys, who needs Satan?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Uh Anthony, dont underestimate the power of satan. You see, he often puts people posing as Christians in places, and uses them dramatically to turn people off to Christianity, to keep them from finding the truth. Dont let this happen to you. There are hypocrites everywhere Anthony, even in the churches. There shouldnt be, but there are, so dont let that fool you. Did not God say that their are false prophets amongst you now? Yes Anthony, they are all over. Thats why it is even more important to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, then you will know these false prophets when they arise. In the end times, there will come one, who will fool even some of those who should know better. So my advice to you, is get prepared now, and stop judging Christians by these false prophets and fallen fellows you have seen. Just like dont judge every human being by what I do. Dont judge every politician by what Obama does. You cant put a label on a whole religion because of what one or two guys has done, and its really sad that you have such a bone against Christianity that you would do that. I can still see Jesus getting nailed to that cross, saying “Anthony, I love you this much”, and stretching out his arms to take the nails for you. Thats how it really is Anthony. If you ask Him to show you He gladly will, just ask Him. Its that easy. You cant work your way in, you cant pray your way in, its allready been done for you when He took the nails. All youve got to do is ask. Try it out, you wont be sorry. I guarantee it.

          • Joe H.

            I believe the words are Beware the false prophet!!!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Very well said Marlo, you speak the truth. Thank you.

        • LindyMaeUSA

          Marlo dear, I agree 100%

          I’m only sorry I didn’t see and hear for myself what Brother Hume had to say. I know if I had seen the program and watch that dear man “fearlessly” stand up for his faith, offering a GUARANTEED “avenue of peace” to the mind and soul of an obviously very tormented man (i.e. Tiger) I would have cried tears of joy.

          May 28, 1970 is the day His loving forgiveness turned my life around and unlike Lot’s wife, I’ve never looked back! PTL!

        • Curtis S

          Whoa! The acts of the sinful nature are blah, blah, blah , JEALOSY, FITS OF RAGE and more? Didn’t a bunch of you post, while trying to defend the reprehensible Pat Robertson that your god was a jealous god? Didn’t some of you claim that Haiti, Hurricane Katrina all done in a fit of god’s rage stemming from his latent jealosy. So according to Galatians 5:19-21 god himself is a sinner? This Christianity stuff sure is pretty contradictory, you’d almost think it was completely fabricated.

          • eyeswideopen

            Curtis, the religious rights philosophy of not allowing redemption for a criminal by requiring capital punishment is

          • Joe H.

            Eyes,
            I pray for you and the poster above you!! I don’t wish total damnation for anyone!!! There are a lot of zealots among the Christians and I find that almost all televangelists fit that description!!! I do worry about non-believers, not as to what they can do to my faith as I will believe in God the son, God the Father, and God the spirit till I take my dying breath and beyond!!!! I worry about the non-believers in that I worry about the final resting spot for their lost soul!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Sorry Curtis, but I didnt defend Pat Robertson. He is one of the false prophets out there. He needs to come down off his pedestal. Pride comes before the fall.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Joe H,

            Don’t worry too much about the resting place for those “lost” souls. I’m sure they think they will have time to cash in on some sort of “bail out” with God and get themselves a fabricated soul!

            Sadly, some folks just have to learn lessons on their own.

            Fed Up Gal

      • John

        It’s not Christians who are idiots, it’s fundimentalist, Bible thumping, family values (even during their affair), intolerant, bigoted, racist, sexist Christains (as many here are) who are intolerant.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          It is written my friend, “Beware, there are many false prophets among you, even now”. They will always be with us. Trick is, knowing Jesus enough, and knowing His word, and you can pick them out easily. Most of them are on TV with a phone number under it asking for money.

          • Smilee

            John’s got it right, you however make me wonder if you might possibly be one of those false prophets, sometimes you sound like you might be.

          • eyeswideopen

            Bebe, you mean like Pat Robinsons 700 club, that shows the total amount of the individual donations and the persons name?

          • Michele

            Spouting hatred and intolerance in the name of Jesus is not the right thing to do…even if you are an ardent Christian. God made all of us on this Earth. He made Christians but He also made Jews, Muslims, and even pagans. He didn’t put persons of other faiths on this Earth as a challenge to Christians to see if we could win them over to “our side”. He didn’t make the billions of persons of other faiths so that he could send them to Hell. He put them here because He loves them too. He made every man, woman, and child in His image.

            Comments on this post are why religion and politics need to stay separate. In societies where they aren’t separate we have problems like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan. In the USSR and China they banned all religion…that’s no good either. There needs to be a balance and for the last 250 years we have had that balance more or less. I have faith it will continue.

            Live and conduct yourself as a Christian…would Jesus be happy that you are using His name to be an intolerant bigot? Jesus wasn’t intolerant to the tax collector…he used kindness and patience to show him the Way. And if the tax collector hadn’t listened would Jesus have started to scream at him that he was going to Hell? Of course not.

            As far as environmentalism goes…since when does wanting to save the Earth from inhabitability make me less of a Christian? God gave us this Earth and all of the creatures on it so we would care for it and nurture it…otherwise it can’t support us. No mainstream environmental group wants to get rid of humans in favor of plants and animals…Al Gore isn’t trying to get rid of the human race. But do you think we can survive with polluted air and water? God expects us to have some common sense.

            Don’t bother replying to me and telling me I’m not the right kind of Christian or whatever. I am just the right kind of Christian.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Yes eyes, I mean Pat Robertson, not Robinson. And Smilee, I cant be a false prophet, as I speak the truth, and I dont take a dime from anyone to do it. Rather, I spend my money to promote the truth. Why must you attack me so, when I have done nothing to you? I pray for you, that much I do. Will you pray for me? I need all the prayers I can get brother.

    • Harold Olsen

      Why would they blast what Wright said? They agree with him and hate America as much as he and Obama do. They only attack people who love America and have a Christian belief.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Well a few more. You can attack Christians, Catholics, Jews, and white men. All others are off limits. Sorry, thats what the liberal media allows for.

    • John

      No, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, and Bill O’Reilly make Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddow look like amateurs when it comes obnoxious hypocrisy. I’d want to see your reaction if someone from another religion tried to force you to change religions in public.

      • Anthony

        Isn’t there a commandment among the ten that tell believer to not bear false witness against their neighbor? And one against coveting? Against killing? Honoring God (not twisting his word)? Dear Christians, PLEASE read your bibles, bompletely, from beginning to end, and pull your head out of the fundmentalist zealots pulput.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Anthony, please dont judge all Christians by a few you see in the limelight that have it all wrong, ok? Those guys are all over, giving Christianity a black eye, and turning off people like you from seeking the light of Jesus Christ. But please, dont judge me because of them, and dont judge others because of me. We are all fallen human beings, each and everyone of us. Just some have fallen harder than others, and some have gotten pick up and pulled back together. Thats it man. Dont go sour on all followers of Jesus Christ because of what you see a few in the public eye do, or a few in your home town. Many have it wrong Anthony, many. I screw up, but I do try my best to follow Jesus Christ, and by that definition, I am a Christian. Please dont group me in the the Pat Robertsons of the world.

          • Smilee

            Pat Robinson you definitely you are not, he definitely has gotten his foot stuck in his mouth far more than you have, you do not look the fool he is.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Smilee, and eyes also, its Pat Robertson, not Robinson. I dont care for the guy, as I see him cause the Christian Church more harm than good. And the Gospel is to be administered in Love, not in hate and fear.

        • Joe H.

          Anthony, There is also a last passage that says that he who adds to the words of god will have all the plagues mentioned in the book added to your afterlife, and all who take away from the words will have their name removed from the book of life!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        They allready have. Its called the democratic party. You see, allthough they have fixed it where Bible studies arent allowed in a lot of schools and colleges, they have universities like North Carolina, that mandates students reading the Koran to so called teach tolerance. Yeah buddy, I got a problem with that. We as a country, were not founded on Muslim principles, no, we were found on Christian principles, of One Nation Under God. And you need to know, that if you dont have the Son, Jesus Christ, you dont have the Father. It is written that way. Our schools have gone down hill, and will continue as such, as is our government, since God was removed from them. If you dont see that, when then you definitely have an agenda you are pushing.

        • Smilee

          ONE nation under God was added in the Eisenhower presidency and our country was not founded on either Christianity or Islam and when the Bill of Rights was added to the constitution by amendment and not by the founding fathers, separation of state and religion was added by the amendment process first passed by the US congress super majority and then by 75% of the states. The founding fathers did address the issue of religion when they drafted the constitution.

          • Smilee

            Did not address the issue of religion when they drafted the constitution, sorry about the slip up

          • Joe H.

            smilee,
            In God WE Trust was added in 1864 to our currency!

          • Smilee

            He said “One Nation Under God” That was added to the Pledge in the Eisenhower administration nd Congress determined our money not the founding fathers and neither makes the case that this nation was founded on either religious beliefs.

          • mike

            Smillie does it matter when it was put in? The fact that its in makes the difference. The muslims tied once before to destroy the Church. They won’t succeed this time either. We Christians are told to love and pray for our enemies. Do you do the same?

          • George

            There’s an awful lot of references to God and the Creator in our founding documents, monuments, and buildings.

          • Tinwarble

            Smilee,

            You should probably read up on your history, our country was base on Judeo-Christian principles. All you have to do is look at the beginning of our country with the Declaration of Independence which states “that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”.

            Also, during the Constitutional Convention Benjamin Franklin said this in a speech, “the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this Truth–that God governs in the Affairs of Men.” “I also believe, without his concurring Aid, we shall succeed in this political Building no better than the Builders of Babel.”

            James Madison & Thomas Jefferson both attended Church services in the House of Representatives, even though Jefferson is thought to have wanted “a wall of separation between church and state.”, which was in his letter to the Danbury Baptist Church.

            If you want more proof look here:

            http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06.html

          • Tinwarble

            You should also watch this to understand how the Founding Fathers saw religion in the formation of the Constitution & our country:

            http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1452232390?bctid=10338101001

          • eyeswideopen

            Tinwarble, This country was founded under God and not Christianity. You need to stop with the Judeo-Christian talk. Yes, our founding fathers belived in God, as a majority of them were Deists, not Christians. Deists believe in God, but not in revelation. I am proud to be a Christian, but will not stand by as the Conservative Right tries to re-write our history. This country was not founded under Chrisitan beliefs. Under God, yes. They acknowledged a Creator, but refused to endorse or oppose any specific denomination of religion. They were fleeing religious persecution in England remember? They set up this government so that freedom of choice would rule and citizens would not be forced to join a state church or feel persecuted if they belonged one that the majority didn’t. They were wise men.

          • Tinwarble

            What??? Most were Deists? Where are you getting your information, most of the Founding Fathers were Episcopalian, Presbyterian & Congregationalist and it is documented that they were, although some were Deists (belief in God, but not under the definition that is applied to it today) & some were of an unknown denomination. Perhaps you should actually due some research instead of what you read off Liberal websites. Also, apparently you don’t know the meaning of Judeo-Christian principles, (having origins in both Judaism and Christianity; of or pertaining to Christianity; as, the Judeo-Christian tradition.), as in the belief in GOD, nor do you apparently know much about the Christian faith since Christians believe Jesus was God (the Creator) incarnate.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            It was founded as one nation under God. He who has the Son, has the Father, He who does not have the son, does not have the Father. Therefore, if we are to be under God, then we are under Jesus Christ, or we have nothing. Pretty simple.

          • eyeswideopen

            Tinwarble, Deists don’t believe in the revelation. Using your idealogy, any country or person who believes in God, is therefore a Christian. Remember the Jews? They believe in God, but not Christ, so your thought process is a little skewed. You can’t change our history mush as you would like too. No documentation references Christ, only God is named.

          • Tinwarble

            Eyes,

            Apparently you can’t read, that is where the “Judeo” in Judeo-Christian principles comes in. As I said, Christ is God, the same God of the Jews, the only difference is the Christian’s believe God came to earth in the form of a man. There is quotes by the Founding Fathers which refer to Jesus, but it makes no difference, because as I said “GOD” is “CHRIST”, when it is said “The Father, The Son & The Holy Spirit”, these are not separate entities, but are all one, “GOD”.
            Also, early Deists did not believe the same things that modern Deists believe, and it was defined in a different way. And as I said, most Founding Fathers were not Deists anyway.

        • Michele

          Spouting hatred and intolerance in the name of Jesus is not the right thing to do…even if you are an ardent Christian. God made all of us on this Earth. He made Christians but He also made Jews, Muslims, and even pagans. He didn’t put persons of other faiths on this Earth as a challenge to Christians to see if we could win them over to “our side”. He didn’t make the billions of persons of other faiths so that he could send them to Hell. He put them here because He loves them too. He made every man, woman, and child in His image. HE ALSO MADE DEMOCRATS!

          Comments on this post are why religion and politics need to stay separate. In societies where they aren’t separate we have problems like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan. In the USSR and China they banned all religion…that’s no good either. There needs to be a balance and for the last 250 years we have had that balance more or less. I have faith it will continue.

          Live and conduct yourself as a Christian…would Jesus be happy that you are using His name to be an intolerant bigot? Jesus wasn’t intolerant to the tax collector…he used kindness and patience to show him the Way. And if the tax collector hadn’t listened would Jesus have started to scream at him that he was going to Hell? Of course not.

          As far as environmentalism goes…since when does wanting to save the Earth from inhabitability make me less of a Christian? God gave us this Earth and all of the creatures on it so we would care for it and nurture it…otherwise it can’t support us. No mainstream environmental group wants to get rid of humans in favor of plants and animals…Al Gore isn’t trying to get rid of the human race. But do you think we can survive with polluted air and water? God expects us to have some common sense.

          Don’t bother replying to me and telling me I’m not the right kind of Christian or whatever. I am just the right kind of Christian.

          • Joe H.

            Michele,
            Yes he also created the democrats, he also forewarned that there would be daily trials and tribulations!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            In response to eyes, Jesus is God. I believe it is John 1, verse 1. In the beginning was the word, and the word was God, and the word was with God. Jesus is the word. Its thats simple.

      • eyeswideopen

        John, excellent point.

        • Smilee

          John does have his act together doesn’t he

          • eyeswideopen

            Smilee, yup, he does. I have to laugh every time one of the right wingers states that this country was founded on Christian beliefs. It doesn’t take long to do a little research on the founding fathers. If they would have wanted it to be Christian based country they would have included Christ’s name somewhere. The right can’t accept the fact that the founding fathers were Deists, and that’s why there is no mention of Christ. Funnier yet is the right can’t blame the Dems for Christ’s exclusion.

          • George

            Eyes,

            My understanding of this is, the founding fathers understood and recognized the existence of a God and Creator. They referenced God, and incorporated many Judeo-Christian values in the early documents, etc. They did not intend to endorse a specific religion as the official religion of the US like was common in many other countries. It seems obvious to me that early references had a lot in common with the Christian religion(s) probably because most of the early immigrants to this country brought those religious beliefs with them. It’s not clear to me whether the founders would have favored Christianity over other religions that recognizes a supreme being, if there had been a sizeable number of immigrants in this country at the time with these other religions. Strictly from a values stand point, I think most religions have similar enough values, that that shouldn’t cause a problem for the country. I do think, however, that the founding fathers probably would not agree that atheism be given the same status as other religions. We do need a solid core set of constructive values in this country to guide everything we do, and we desperately need to teach these to our children and citizens. Right now, we’re drifting without direction because we can’t agree which is the right religion, and since we can’t agree, we drop all religious content so no one is offended. This is a formula for disaster.

          • Smilee

            George

            This is all wishful thinking on your part a reading of really went on at that time despite the references it is clear that we were not a founded on Christian principals nor have we ever been a christian nation. An interesting thing is that Billy Graham in one of his rare interviews and this interview was conducted with David Frost an hour long interview and Billy Graham said we were not founded on Christian Principals or have ever been a Christian Nation, buy that the majority of our citizens are not. Do you think Dr. Graham knows what he is talking about, I read history the same as he did.

          • Tinwarble

            Smilee,

            Apparently you don’t read the entire history, or perhaps you would know that John Adams on the brink of war with France urged citizens to “acknowledge before God the manifold sins and transgressions with which we are justly chargeable as individuals and as a nation; beseeching him at the same time, of His infinite grace, through the Redeemer of the World, freely to remit all our offences, and to incline us, by His Holy Spirit, to that sincere repentance and reformation which may afford us reason to hope for his inestimable favor and heavenly benediction.”

            And perhaps you didn’t know that Church services were held in what is now called Statuary Hall from 1807 to 1857. The first services in the Capitol, held when the government moved to Washington in the fall of 1800, were conducted in the “hall” of the House in the north wing of the building. In 1801 the House moved to temporary quarters in the south wing, called the “Oven,” which it vacated in 1804, returning to the north wing for three years. Services were conducted in the House of Representatives until after the Civil War. The Speaker’s podium was used as the preacher’s pulpit.

            Also, you probably didn’t know that on 1-08-26 the first Catholic Services were held in the House of Representatives or that in 1827 the first woman preached there. Nor do you seem to know that Communion was held in the Treasury Building or that Church Services were also held in the Supreme Court.

            Maybe you didn’t know that 2 days after Thomas Jefferson wrote his letter to the Danbury Baptist Church in which he stated “”a wall of separation between church and state.”, which everyone tries to use as the reason for “separation of Church & state”, he attended Church services in the House of Representatives (& that it is document). Now, does that sound like Christianity had no influence in the formation of our county. Perhaps instead of reading history, you should learn history.

          • Smilee

            Tinwarble says:
            January 24, 2010 at 4:15 pm

            There are many examples of what you indicate but it does not refute my point, also at the times you note were before the Supreme Court interpreted it and none of your points have any relevance to my post, only your distorted spin

          • eyeswideopen

            Tinwarble, yes, repeat, yes to God, no to Christianity. The Conservative Right has tried since their inception during Regan’s years to re-write history to include Christianity with the founding of this country. It just isn’t true and our historical documents prove that fact. Us Christians want to believe it, but facts are facts. If it were true you would find some reference to Jesus in our documents.

          • Michael J.

            Smilee,
            76% of Americans consider themselves Christians, look it up.

          • eyeswideopen

            Tinwarble, find me one reference to Christ in any of the founding fathers papers, until then you need to acknowledge that they didn’t found this country under Christ. Our founding fathers were by no means stupid, their foresight has served this country well, if they had intended for this to be a Christian country they would have set it up that way. You don’t have to be a Christian to be moral and have ethics. Try to abide by our Constitution and understand that they were smarter than you and structured this country to allow for individual freedoms, not to be dictated by any religious group.

          • eyeswideopen

            Tin, what couldn’t you find me the word Jesus, or Christ in any of our founding documents? Since we know how intelligent the founding fathers were, don’t you think if they wanted this nation founded under Jesus Christ, they would have inserted it somewhere?

      • mike

        Whose forcing who?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          In response to Michael’s response, it is true that we are Christian nation, as said so by over 70 percent of our population.

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        John,

        I don’t think Brit Hume tried to “force” anything on Tiger or on anyone else for that matter. He was simply asked a question as to what advice he might offer Tiger in his current state of affairs (no pun intended here). Advice is just that….the adviser “offers” a possible route or solution…..the advisee either follows the advice or not. Tiger was (and still is) free to consult with God directly; if he’s not comfortable with that…maybe he could consult with his Buddha….hmmmmmm…his choice!

        Fed Up Gal

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Brit Hume is white, he is open game for the liberal media. Rev. Wright was given a pass by everyone except Fox news, who chooses to report the news, not just agenda based things.

      • Anthony

        And Revf Wright and our president are black – cannon fodder for the bigotted, racists right-wing fundamentalists. Jesus was not a pale blonde Swede as protrayed by the Christians. He was a Jew. JEW! HIs loving teachings are twisted by those who claim to follow his teachings. Jesus was a wonderful teacher – christianithy sucks. The rules of christianity are made up by mortal men – period. The entire bible is composed of verbal stories handed down. AND – the original translation from the ancient Greek read much differently that any “approved” christian verions today.

        • Anthony

          BTW: Fox News Channel does not report the actual news, it spouts opinions. And those opinions are ALWAYS degrading anyhone who in not a Republican, right-wing conservative Christian fundamentalist. And CNN is hot on their tail – seeking the big rating of entertainment that will bring millions of more dollars to there revenue from advertisers. These “reporters” and their statements would be so laughable but for their viciousness and treasonous statements of a radical take-over of the U.S. Government and forcing all out citizens to become their brand of Christian.

          • denniso

            Brit Hume can say what he wants as long as Fox agrees w/ him…imagine tho if he suggested that Tiger join the Muslim religion for whatever reason. Would the conservatives have called for his firing? Of course. What if he told Tiger to become a Hindu or Wiccan? The only reason most people think that what he said was OK,is because they are Christians. He was preaching on a supposed news show and I don’t think that gives him much journalistic credibility.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          You are so wrong. I have the Hebrew and Greek, that I open for clarifications quite often, and the only difference, is that on some words, they have multiple meanings, which really helps bring the verse into focus when you have the right mean. But the Bible, is written by God you see. The Holy Spirit breathed it into the men whose pen scripted it down on the parchments. You can fight Him all you want Anthony, but your going to lose if you dont stop. Its a fight you cannot win. One day, you and I both, will bow down before Him, and give an account of ourselves to Him. At that point I dont really think your going to be all that bold to tell Him he doesnt exist. Maybe at that point you will drop your silly human pride thing, and realize you are just a vapor, your here and then your gone, as the Bible says. Jesus will show you a whole room full of cool stuff, and your name is all over it. You will look at Him and say, “Why didnt you give this to me”, and He will say, “Because you never asked”. Its kind of like that Anthony, and you cant do it by yourself, so put your pride away, and seek Him who died for you, that you may have life.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Dont be offended by what I said Anthony. Its a true statement. On the news they will attack anyone white, Christian, Catholic or Jewish. And you and I both know you have to be very careful of what you say about a black man, or your labeled racist. You just did it to me. Like Al Capanis was fired from the Dodgers for what he said. Jimmy the Greek was fired for what he said. Don Imus was fired for what he said. But by golly, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, both have gone on TV and radio, live, and called white people crackers and honkies, and called jews heimies, which is like dropping the N word on a black person, and they get a free pass. Why? I wish you could tell me, but when I say I know why, Im a racist? Hows that work. Wrong is wrong, and the double standard is wrong. But tolerated. You can go on TV and lambast Christians, Catholics and Jews, and label them, slam them, say anything you want, but dont you dare say a word about a Muslim or a gay, or its a hate crime. Really. So why does one rate, and the others dont. Double standard, and its wrong, but what I said is so true of the liberal press. Open game on Christians, Catholics, Jews and white men. Now white women get some protection, but none for white men. So now am I sexist too Anthony. Come on man, Im telling the truth, and your insulting me for it. The truth will set you free, even if it is disturbing. I dont mean you or anyone anyharm, I just see the wrong of this, and dont understand why some are afforded special rights, and others are allowed to be picked on. Its not right. But yet, lets go the that thing you talk against, Christianity and the Bible, and it is written, in the end days, right will become wrong and wrong will become right. Seems were here brother, together.

          • eyeswideopen

            Bebe, where were all the Christians when Hilter was killing all the Jews? It was well known what was going on in Europe and yet there was no outrage, no incouragement to intercede on their behalf, prior to our being attacked. Where were we?

          • Curtis S

            Beberoni… Al Campanis, Jimmy the Greek and Don Imus were fired, and rightly so for bigoted comments that were incorrect and perpetuated racial myths. Al Campanis insinuated, repeatedly, that blacks didn’t have “the smarts” to manage a baseball team. Jimmy the Greek insinuated that black athletes had an advantage because slaves were bred for strength (they weren’t) and Don Imus called a female basketball team “a bunch of nappy headed ho’s” which is just incredibly racist. For the record, Jesse Jackson lost all his credibility when he referred to New York City as “Hymie-town”. He has never regained the status he once had. Al Sharpton? No one ever took him seriously and I saw plenty of pre-FAUX tv shows discredit him, particularly over the Tawana Brawley case. Your point is poorly made by using these examples.

          • Joe H.

            Berberoni,
            you are right yet again!! Jessie Jackson was heard saying he wanted to cut off a certain persons N..s off and nothing was ever done even when it was confirmed who he was saying it about!!!! You or I would have been jailed for 20 years!!!

          • George

            Eyes,

            A lot of people dropped the ball on that one, not just Christians.

          • Michele

            Might have something to do with that old slavery thing and the fact that the Federal Government had to make special laws in the 1960′s so that black people could get the same education and opportunity as everyone else.

        • Smilee

          TRUE, TRUE thanks

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Got news for you Anthony. There are far more, and I mean far more racially motivated people in the Democrat party. After all , did you not know they were against the freeing of slaves? Thats right. Did you not know that many of their leaders, including Virginia Robert Sheets Byrd were ex Ku klux klan members. Thats right. Thats why they like the little social programs with their little hand outs, to keep a brother down in his place, so you dont rise up and take their jobs. Think about it, its all true. Jesus and I see all men as equals, but your dems dont. I guarantee it.

        • Mickey Brown

          I don’t know where you grew up or where you got your information that
          Christians believe that Jesus had blonde hair but you are way out of line. Jesus was a Jew and everyone knows that Jesus did not have blode hair. Get off your fanitical left wing kick and into the real world. You people on the fantical left are so bias that you don’t want to hear what the right has to say. You think that the right is all fanitical. How wrong and bias you are. There are two sides to every issue and you people on the left only want your side to be heard.
          Get REAL and have an open ear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Barb

    Switching religions will not cure the problem. It just gives Tiger freedom to keep on doing what he wants.

    • Charles

      Christianity does offer complete forgiveness…but the “rest of the story” is that Jesus also tells the one who is forgiven,”go and sin no more”.

      • Anthony

        Ah – the one and only chance. “Let those without sin cast the first stone.”

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          You must be perfect then in your mind Anthony, because brother, youve be throwing stones by the truck load. You can say what you want, and do what you want, and live like you want, and hey pal, I fully support and will defend your right to do so. But I also am obligated to let you know, just in case you havent heard, that one out of one person dies in this life, and that we all will go before Jesus Christ one fine day, and give Him an account of ourselves. At that point, you cant tell Him he isnt real and He doesnt exist, and how life would be so much better without Him around, and believe me, He will give you this thing you desire so much in your heart. He will send you to a place where you will never hear His name again. I know, as I sit here telling you the truth, Im hating on you. But I gotta try to give you the truth, whether you accost me or not. Its called Love, but somehow I dont think youll receive it as such.

    • don

      Switching religions, switching denominations, I do not see much difference. Evangelical Protestants do the same thing, they get “turned-off” about something at “their” church and they bail and go elsewhere (so they can do what they want). See the similarity. But, you will say but it is not Christianity. I personally (no judgement intended) don’t see the difference. Historic Christianity has a word for forgiving even those that we find troublesome, it is called mercy. That is the heart of Christianity. Without that where would i be? Where would you be? Practicing that instead of waving the Holy Bible in front of someone and telling them, “If they don’t do such and such youo are going to die and go to hell and fry like a sausage!” The Gospel is more than that. All Blessings!

      • Anthony

        Not to mention “grace.” Can anyone tell me why there are over 300 different christian demoniations in the U.S., each one saying they are the only true followers of Christianity and all the others are wrong?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Because satan has a lot of power, and his main goal is to deceive people first and foremost, and then to cause disharmony and division upon those whom seek God. Seems he is on a pretty good roll isnt he. There is your answer, and its the truth. God wants us all to come together as one, as the church isnt the building on the corner, its the body of believers of Jesus Christ. Thats what the church is. Denomination, by its very word, is division. You are very correct in your noticing this division, and its a sad thing, and this Christian finds it very disheartening. That is why churches like the Missionary Church started, because they go straight out of the Bible, none of this adding to it or taking parts out they dont like. Jesus set forth His diciples to go out into the world, and bear witness of Him to the world. Such is the Missionary Church of today. If it isnt in the Bible, you dont add it because of tradition or none of that baloney. I mean come on Anthony, it is either scriptural, or its not. If it is, then do it and follow it. If it isnt, dont teach it and practice it. And its a shame, that a non believer like you knows this stuff, and there are a lot of belivers that dont. That is a shame. Have a good day man. Best to you.

          • Michele

            So now to be saved I actually have to attend your church? Now just being a Christian isn’t enough?? Now I have to be a Christian with an approved agenda? No wonder so many people are turned off by organized religion. If your preacher is telling you that you are better than everyone else and only you, sitting in the pews that day, are the saved…then you aren’t in a real Christian church teaching real Christian values.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Wow Michele, how you twisted that one around, I dont know, but I did not say that at all. I was making the statement that I am comfortable with them, because they choose to do the right thing, and teach and practice what the Bible says. And yes it is true, some denominations do not do that. But a lot of their people are good solid Christians, and you are the one labeling folks, as you are scared to death of Jesus for some reason, when all He did was come and die for you. Why?

        • Greg

          That statement is just totally wrong man…

        • don

          Hi Anthony — 300 that is disturbing, but really that is a conservative number. there are thousands and some new ones every year. Seems to me a new search is in order. Maybe historical Christianity. Take a look at the early Church Fathers (I am not saying Roman Catholic). But go back further than that, find the real roots of Christianity, start there. Blessings!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        If you actually read the Bible Don, it very clearly states in it, to “Deliver the word of God with Love”. Not with fear, not with a threat of going to hell. You know Don, you dont go to hell for being a womanizer like Tiger has been. Did you know that? And you dont go to hell for being a murderer. Did you know that? And you dont go to hell for being gay. Did you know that? You dont go to hell for being a thief, an adulterer, a liar, or an idolater. No, you dont go to hell for what you do, you go for what you dont do. If you dont accept Jesus Christ as your saviour, then there comes a time on judgement day, when He will look at you, and tell you that since you never wanted to be bothered by Him while you were on earth, that he will respect your wishes, and will now send you to a place where you will never hear His name again. Perfect justice. Not meted out by me or you, but by God himself.

        • eyeswideopen

          So, Bebe, which is the chosen denomination? Baptists? Catholics? Which one?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            The answer eyes, is Jesus Christ. Dont believe any doctrine or traditions that man might tell you are right. Believe in Jesus Christ and what the word in the Bible says. And you can find it in any and all church. But you need to know it, because there are false prophets all over, and they will tell you their version and pull the old Jim Jones and David Koresh tricks, and if you know the Word, you will recognize this. If you dont, you will get led astray. If your church starts teaching something contradictory to what the Bible says, or doing things that are against what the Bible says, its time to run baby. Time to get out of there. And they are all over, sad to say.

        • don

          Beberoni,

          The Church teaches that what we actually are (that is, the sum total of what we have in fact made ourselves into) is what counts, not what we say we believe, let alone how we feel. This is what Christ taught us when He said: “Not eveyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord’ shall enter the knigdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My father in heaven. Matthew 7:21 According to Jesus, we may know exactly what the will of the Father is: “Let your light sine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven. Matthew 5:16.
          All blessings!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I fully believe Don, because I experience it all the time, that if one truly believes in Jesus Christ, and he first seeks the Kingdom of God, that as the Bible says, your eyes and ears are opened, and things are revealed to you. I know more this year than I did last year, and next year Ill know more than this year. There is no way one could comprehend it all, so little by little thing are revealed, that guide and direct our lives. I am happy to say, that after I lived 40 years on this earth, where it was all about me and how much money I could get and how many women I could have, and just generally the me, me, me thing, that in the last 11 years, Ive everyday learned more and more how to give of myself, my time, and my resources, to help others find this truth that I was actually looking for, for those 40 years, but I didnt know it. I just know enough was never enough, and there was always something missing. But God called me one day, after I realized I was broken, and life is good again, now that I know what its about.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            My church doesnt tell me that Im the sum total of what we make ourselves. No way. And if they did, I would reject that and leave that church. We are God’s children, and He gives us free will to accept Him or not. But we do not in anyway make ourselves. We choose to obey or disobey. If we obey, God guides us. If we dont, we just flow with what ever way the wind blows and seems popular, kind of like the democrats of today. But I dont think that much of myself to think I have made myself what I am today, nope, thats not the case. God has made me what I am today. If it wasnt for him, Id still be homeless and doing drugs and getting drunk and all that destructive behavior. God has remade me, just by accepting Jesus Christ as my saviour. Its not me that made me.

        • don

          Beberoni,

          According to Jesus, we may know exactly what the will of the Father is: “Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven. Matthew 5:16. As I said earlier Matthew 7:21 is who we have become and what we are becoming and not what we believe or how we feel.
          All blessings!

    • ColinCody

      Barb….Switching religions will not help Tiger unless he switches to genuine, biblically defined Christianity. I have yet to find a church here in the buckle of the Bible belt that has a clue what that is, so I am quite sure Tiger has no idea either. But were he to become informed about the real thing, and were he to meet the supremely important conditions Jesus set forth in Luke 9:23 for forgiveness and entry into right relationship with the God of Scripture, (“If anyone would become my disciple, let him deny himself, take up his cross daily and follow me.”) his life would be dramatically changed for the better.

      The reason is that becoming a real follower or disciple of Christ means choosing to abandon one’s lifelong selfish ultimate purpose and choosing instead to make Jesus’ life purpose supreme in one’s life. His life purpose or ultimate motive is and has always been unselfish, holy, divine style love (agape in the Greek). This involves a total change at the center of a person’s being, a change at the core of his life that changes all he is, the way he thinks and all he does. It is so thoroughly and powerfully radical that choosing it is called in Scripture being “born again.” No other religious principle will make such a profound change in a person and his style of life because nothing else reaches into the deepest part of his being (his “heart”) and totally renews him. Even Tiger would become a “new man” in the truest sense of the term were he to make that drastic, dynamic change.

      I am a Christian systematic theologian now, but for many years, I was an atheist, so I well know where some of you people are coming from. May I suggest that you read “The Hidden Face of God” by Dr. Schroeder. His book is an analysis of the revelatory discoveries in modern science–particularly microbiology–that point conclusively to the existence of a highly intelligent Creator as seen in his extremely complex, beautifully creative, “elegant” design.

      Modern science is in the process now of actually destroying atheism and Darwinian evolution. It may take a good many years for our “great” thinkers in the secular world to get up to speed concerning this issue, but the thought revolution will reach even those marble brains eventually.

  • Indiana Observer

    Brit Hume did nothing wrong.

    Rather Matthew 10:32 says it plainly, “Therefore everyone who confesses
    Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven.”.

    To borrow a saying from a friend -
    “In GOD I Trust.
    I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out
    there isn’t, then to live my life as if there is no God and die to
    find out there is.”

    • http://none robert carmon

      B.C of michigan

      I liked what brit hume said I watch the program that night. What some of the comments I read hear ?. I honestly think we need more mena and women to speek up about there faith in Christ. We all who are Christians need to stand up for the Faith. In fact we need to take back our country,schools and government. Our founding fathers was ready and wiilin to die for this coluntry can we no do the same.

      • Harold Olsen

        Plus, the majority of our founding fathers were ordained ministers, though the left is trying to rewrite history to show that they were anti-religious, especially Thomas Jefferson the one who supposedly wanted the mythological separation of church and state. It was he who came up with the idea of having church services in the Capital Building and while he was both VP and president he attended services there. By the way, the only constitution in the world that EVER had the phrase “separation of church and state” in it was the constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. That is the constitution that the left and the ACLU are defending, not ours.

        • Anthony

          And Thomas Jefferson had elicit sex and fathered children with his black slave. So when you put him in such a position of reverence, are you not being hypocrtical?

          • coal miner

            Anthony,

            It was more like rape.It wasn’t one,but many against their will.They were not only property, but sex objects as well.

          • Smilee

            Coal Miner how do you know it wasn’t love, after all she could have stayed in France and remained free there but she choose to come back with him and he did free her and their children and supposedly he freed her while he was in France and promised to free any of their children. Many believe this was a love affair albeit many black women were raped by their owners if Sally was a willing participant would it then be rape??

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And Jesse Jackson father a love child with a woman other than his wife. Does that mean he cant be forgiven, either one of them? Your point is senseless. Everyone has faults, and if you look hard enough, you will find them on all of us. So whats your point?

        • Curtis S

          Harold for a Christian, you are certainly found of lying. You posted this blatant lie yesterday and I called you on it and you’re repeating the same lie today. As DaveH pointed out… there were FOUR ordained ministers among the more than fifty men considered to be founding fathers. Since when is FOUR considered a majority of FIFTY? I was polite yesterday but today you are a LIAR.
          If being a habitual liar is what being a Christian is to you Harold, I want no part of it. Or is it that classic Karl Rove thing, tell the lie often enough and loud enough and eventually the simple people will believe you.

          • eyeswideopen

            Hands clapping!!

          • Smilee

            DITTO DITTO

          • Joe H.

            Coal minor,
            And if being a Christian is being like you then I’m glad I know Christ!!!! You better remember old man that these liberals don’t give a crap about you and will use you as long as it fits their purpose!!!! Kneel down tonight if your pride will let you and ask him into your life, you don’t have a lot more time!!!! Remember, the bible says where ever two or more of you are gathered, there am I!!!! A church isn’t always needed!!!

          • Tinwarble

            Curtis,

            And I called you out on your lie, so what does that make you! Although Harold is wrong about how many of the Founding Fathers ministers and that Thomas Jefferson did start the Church services in the House of Reps. Thomas Jefferson did attend Church services in the House of Reps & even did so 2 days after his letter to the Danbury Baptist Church were everyone gets the “separation of Church & state”. And it is even documented that he was in regular attendance, Margaret Bayard Smith, wife of Samuel Harrison Smith, publisher of the National Intelligencer, wrote of Jefferson’s attendance of services in the House “Jefferson during his whole administration was a most regular attendant. The seat he chose the first day sabbath, and the adjoining one, which his private secretary occupied, were ever afterwards by the courtesy of the congregation, left for him.”

          • Curtis S

            Tinwarble… Harold repeated a blatant lie. I called him on it and he chose to repeat a second time.
            In the other post I stated that Thomas Jefferson was an atheist. I did not repeat that statement, in this post. So what’s your point? You seem to think you’ve compiled proof that Thomas Jefferson was a Christian and I think all you’ve done is prove that Thomas Jefferson showed respect to his Christian constituents. That’s another debate for another time.
            Harold was wrong and chose to repeat his lie a second time. I don’t think I lied the first time, and because I haven’t had the time to check the links you so kindly provided, I DIDN’T even mention Thomas Jefferson the second time. I didn’t repeat a proven fallacy. So really, YOU called me out on nothing, but nice try at a Karl Rove “spin & smear”.

          • Michele

            Amen brother.

          • Tinwarble

            Curtis,

            The so called “call out” is because you stated something that was factually untrue, yet you would call someone else a liar. That you didn’t repeat the inaccuracies isn’t the point, that you would say something that wasn’t a fact to prove your point is.

          • Curtis S

            Tinwarbler… yes YOUR so called “call out” was just that… so called… alleged… lame. My statements pertaining to Thomas Jefferson being an atheist seem to be supported by a number of other posts. Most notable was Norm’s post of 01/23 @ 9:57 am, which obviously left you speechless.
            The fact that I didn’t repeat that Jefferson was an atheist is EXACTLY the point. Harold said in another thread that the MAJORITY of the founding fathers were ORDAINED MINISTERS. DaveH posted that exactly FOUR of over FIFTY founding fathers were ordained ministers. Four IS NOT a majority of fifty. Simple mathematics. Even when presented with those facts, he decided to post the same drivel in another thread. That my friend is LYING, an intentional misrepresentation of the truth. That is being called out. What you think you did to my post was, well, not much really. You presented compelling evidence that Jefferson attended church services, which some atheists will do out of respect for a spouse, a relative or maybe his constituents. You didn’t respond to Norm at all.
            Tinwarble you are being very obtuse and your obvious dislike of me is affecting your ability to make a rational or even an intelligent point. Amongst the intelligent debaters here, the ones worthy of gold, silver and bronze medals, you are a warbler, chirping from the intellectual sidelines just trying to get your “tin” participation badge.

      • Anthony

        Fine. Just keep your relgion out of the news reports unless you are on a Christian channel. I used to like Brit but now find him a judgmental idiot and can never trust him again to speak the truth. If he wants to convert anyone to his beliefs, he should get out of the media and start a church where he can preach all day long.

        • DaveH

          You aren’t being judgemental?

          • Smilee

            What a joke coming from you!!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            DaveH, nay, he is just being like the rest of you. He is judging Britt actions, but not passing judgement. lol

        • Tinwarble

          Anthony,

          So what you’re saying is that like most Liberals, you are against free speech or is it that you are just against speech that you don’t agree with. Brit has a right, as a citizens of the United States, to say what ever he wishes as long as it doesn’t insight violence. If he wants to say that Tiger should find Jesus, then who are you to say that he can’t. I suppose if he had said that he should turn to Scientology (which was started by a petafile) you would have be fine with that.

          Brit Hume retired from being a “News” correspondent, & is now on FOX just to give his opinion and it was his opinion that Tiger should turn to Christianity to find forgiveness. And that is what Christianity is about, forgiveness, no matter what you say about Christians, because people like you seem to mix up the difference between the Message & the messenger. It is not the messengers that Christians follow, but the Message of Christ.

          • eyeswideopen

            Tinwarble, did Britt stand up and tell Ensign, Vitter or Stamford, that they need to change their religious denomination as theirs has failed them? Or was it ok, for them to commit adultery as they were Christians and didn’t need Britt’s advice or counsel on their actions?

          • denniso

            Good point Eyes…if Hume wants to preach Christianity then he should get off the news. If he wants to be a journalist of any worth then quit the preaching.

          • Tinwarble

            Yeah, sure and I suppose that he should have said something about Clinton and all the others that committed adultery. Your argument is completely & utterly obtuse, the story was about Tiger & not anyone else. Perhaps your Liberal mind just can’t focus on one thing?

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Yep…you hit the nail on the head, Tinwarble. The liberals defend the MSM journalists (and I use that term loosely in the case of the MSM reporters) when they comment on someone’s personal life/issues. It’s only a problem if someone on the right does it…typical liberalism.

            Fed Up Gal

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Eyes / Denniso,

            Because you say so?

            Fed Up Gal

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Thats strange coming from you of all people Anthony. You have laid judgment against every Christian in this thread. You have thown us all to the lions, and shown not a bit of restraint, or a bit of love or kindness towards anyone that disagree’s with your opinion. Cannot we agree to disagree, without the insulting and insinuation that anyone that is Christian is wrong? Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light. He is the only way to God. If you dont believe that, fine, but dont deny other men their opinions, and demand that you have yours. I fully support your right to be a non-believer if you like. Dave writes a lot of post here, is an Atheist, and Im a Christian, and we dont hate and attack each other. He show’s me respect and I show him respect, because he is a big enough man to allow me the right to have an opinion that differs from his, and I do the same for him. Wont you join us in the human race please? Thank you.

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Wow…that’s strange….isn’t it the liberal’s that want the “Fairness Doctrine” implemented, to offer their “balanced” side of things? Hmmmmm……….

          Fed Up Gal

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Beberoni,

            Sorry…..My previous post a couple of minutes ago should have posted below Anthony’s comment. Not sure what happened.

            Fed Up Gal

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Oh, I agreed totally with what you posted, so I know it wasnt aimed at me. They want to shut down Rush, Sean and Glenn, because they are pissed off that someone actually tells the general public about them, and about all the evil things they do. They figure if they can shut them down, they can do whatever they want, tell the uneducated that vote for them something else, and its all good. What the libs on this site dont understand, or dont care about with the fairness doctrine thing, is that it would force the radio stations to say, if Glenn is on for two hours, that they have to put a boring liberal on for two hours. What that does, is, as the liberals have tried these talk shows before, that they are terrible, and no companies what to advertise their product on a station that nobody is listening too, then the radio stations end up losing money and going out of business. This should never be forced on them, because its wrong. If a liberal can do a show, and people listen and business advertise, it would be successful, and it would all be good. But the problem is, no one listens to them, its been tried and tried again, right Al Gore, and the stations cant take those loses. Meanwhile, Rush, Sean and Glenn make the stations a lot of money, and they are the only ones out there spreading the truth to the masses. I understand why the democrat politicians dont like them, because they expose them for what they do and what they are. Why the uneducated people that vote for these dems dont like them, I would guess is a result of hearing the dem leaders talk bad about them. If all of them would allow themselves to educationally listen to these guys for one month straight, examine just what they say, and actually pay attention and research things, they would find these guys do indeed tell the truth about the terrible things todays dems are doing that are destructive to this country and to its people. But many even here in this thread, they wont give them the time, because they blindly follow their left wing liberal leaders, and dont take the time to educate themselves to the reality of what is at hand. Its a shame.

    • don

      Sounds like Pascal.

      No, maybe Britt did not do anything wrong in the legal sense but to air a personal activity I think he should have known better. If you were talkng to someone, say a close friend that was having a spiritual issue would you speak about it loudly so those within hearing could listen in? I wouldn’t and I do not suppose many would do that either. I just think Brit made an error in judgement. Note: I must be care that I do not judge Britt. Judging in ones spiritual matters should be left only to God. Blessings.

      • Tom

        Don,

        If you are truly a Christian, you want to share what Christ has done for you… Would he have done Tiger any favors if he didn’t let him know that there is hope and that he could achieve forgiveness for his sins (in the eternal sense)? Doesn’t mean that there will not be a price to pay for sin on earth, but at least he doesn’t have to take it into eternity with him… The Bible (which was the text used for teaching in early America) says that we are to share Christ with others… Love, which is what Christ taught, your neighbor. Share the good news that Christ loved us so much and wanted us to be with him in glory that he came and died for us… Unlike other religions that say you should hate those that don’t believe as you do and use the sword to weed out those infidels out or other religions that say you have to work your way into heaven. Read the book… It’s good for you.

        • don

          Tom,

          The point is not that he should not of shared Christ but rather the method used. I do not see the point in sharing something as sensitive as this with the world. I have a problem with that. If you love someone and care for their feelings you would be sensitive to them. After all, that is love isn’t it? Now, off the subject, speaking of your comment, “The Bible (which was the text used for teaching in early America) says that we are to share Christ with others”, early America (Puritans and Quakers) strpped their tradition and believed in free-form, make-it-up-as-you-go-along religious worship. In short, both the Calvinist Puritans and the Quakers were thorough iconoclasts. Between them they created a new Manichaeism, which revived the old heresies that once plagued the early Church, pitting the flesh against the spirit and the created world against God. One in his right mind would also ask why there are some 2300 different Protestant denominations and more being added constantly. If you check out a Christian (Protestant) bookstore the various differences that are espoused are amazing. As for being truly Christian, I am Christian that understands my roots, I believe in the historical Christian Church, after all they are the ones who gave us (canonized) the New Testament and decided on which books were in and which ones were out and oh yes I have and do read it. All Blessings.

          • Joe H.

            don,
            if your friend had a drug problem and needed help would you not help him if it was public? If so you are not much of a friend! I believe that Tiger has already been dragged through the ditch by ALL the news sources so Britt trying to reach him in the way he did isn’t going to do any harm. See I guess you have never heard that pride goes before the fall!!!

          • Smilee

            The thing is this is not a news story, it is tabloid in nature and if treated correctly everyone would not have made it public. It is only his and his family’s concern and is not any of our business, Chip was wrong in writing this article and continuing this stupid dialogue as well

          • Tinwarble

            So Smilee, then you are wrong & stupid for continually posting here on this subject. Not my words, yours. If you actually found it to be wrong & stupid why do you feel the need to spout your views on the subject here?

          • denniso

            Smilie is right, Tiger should not even be a news story…it’s between he and his wife and way too many Americans are fascinated by the story because it’s about sex. Let’s deal w/ our countries problems and leave stories like this to the tabloids and out of the news.

          • Tinwarble

            Yet you feel the need to make comments on it.

          • don

            JoeH,

            Even though it is still public, do I want to continue that process? I wouldn’t and i do not think you would want to be as you say “dragged” through all of that either. As a Christian i am not in the business of trying to convince a person to “Accept Christ” That is the Holy Spirit’s job. All I am responsible for is first, to be there for them to provide a presence, second, to listen . Finally, if the person wants to hear the Gospel message, we present it. In other words, we ask permission. So what kind of a Christian are we going to be a kind one who truly cares or one that rant and rave and throw verses around and you know what they will know that you don’t care for them only your ego. Blessings

        • Michele

          He could have called him on the phone if he really cared that much about Tiger’s soul. Making a public spectacle of his evangelizing is not very Christian. He was going for ratings on FOX.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I agree with you Tom. Don states that basically Christianity is offensive to the world and they are sensitive about it, and he seems to think we should all keep our mouths shut, and not tell anyone about it. But see Tom, I am a Christian, and my Bible is my directive. It tells me to be bold. It tells me if I am ashamed of telling people about God and his word, that God will be ashamed of me. Im not going to do that. It tells me that my faith is dead without works, and my good works are dead without faith. I must spread this word that has been given to me, even if I end up getting beaten and imprisoned like Paul did. I have suffered for His word before, and just as His good book promised, He said if you suffer for my name, I will bless you, and oh yes, I got blessed for my trials, big time. Those in the dark dont understand. And I understand that, because I was in that darkness for 40 years. So I give them leeway, fully knowing where they are at. But I find it funny how without knowing what its like on this side, we can be so adamant about it not being real. I get my hands and feet dirty. Ive gone down in the ghetto and served and helped, where I was the only white guy around. Ive gone to New Orleans and Mississippi three times and helped rebuild after Katrina, and thank God for the churches that all participated. Those people were so thankful for God supplying all the believers that came down there on their own dime, and worked for free to help their fellow human beings. They didnt care what color I was, and I didnt care either. Thats another things folks that slam Christians on the site dont understand either, that when you finally reach the point where you call on the name of Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit enters into you, all that prejudice baloney leaves you. God doesnt see in colors. Imagine a world, where we all see each other as the same. Become a Christian and be set free. I see the world of the unbeliever, and as I said I lived it for 40 years. Im sorry folks, but the murdering, and the rape, and the adultering, and the embezzlement, and all the stealing and gambling and drug dealing and all these bad things in society, are not a part of the Christian life style. They just arent. And dont tell me for one second folks, that our lives all wouldnt be much better if all these things were gone. Imagine it if you can please.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I myself am prepared to give an account of myself to Him, and we all will do just that on that one fine day.

      • don

        A little history lesson — I have reviewed the theological developments that sprang from the Reformation because modern Protestants, especially Evangelicals, need to understand where the ideas they hold so dear, and usually take for granted, come from. For the typical Evangelical, Christianity is first and foremost a “faith relationship” between himself as an individual and God. The Puritans significantly altered the theology of Calvin, particularly by insisting on the need for an identifiable conversion event. That is, Christianity became an individual matter. John Calvin was not interested in anyone’s “conversion experience.” His concern was whether the visible Church to which one belonged preached the true Word and rightly administered the sacraments. In emphasing the need for a conscious conversion, the American Puritans turned Calvinism into an individual pursuit by turning it on its head (By the way i am not a Calvinist). This s a devaluation of the goodness of creation, an emphasis on “saving knowledge” as opposed to the objective work of Christ in history and in the Church, and a preoccupation with the individual’s “inner self” (That is why I termed it a form of psychotherpy in a previous reply). whatever else one may say about this state of affairs, it is certain that it bears little resemblance to the Church of the first two centuries. By this point, the differences between the Orthodox faith as expressed by the Father’s of the early Church, and Protestantism, as expressed by the Reformers and their descendants, should be obvious. Ultimately, the issue comes down to the Church.

        • libertytrain

          I think the different sects or whatever they are called – are interesting – the origins – where did Baptists come from etc – The stories of Martin Luther and so many others – it’s all very fascinating – The simplified explanation – someone didn’t like the creeds of the original Christian Religion and modified, adjusted and then created another one to suit their beliefs.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          But if you are a true believer in Jesus Christ don, we all know, that the church isnt the Baptists, or the Methodists, or the Catholics or the Presbyterians. Its not the building on the corner of the street. The Church is the body of believers of Jesus Christ. That is what the church is. If you have some governing body telling you what to do and think, or a paster in the pulpit telling you what to do or think, then youve got a big problem. That is exactly what happened to those that followed Jim Jones and David Koresh and others like them. Jesus Christ is the one to follow, not a man or an organization. Jesus Christ is the church, cut and dried, plain and simple.

  • Roy

    As for Olbermann and his ilk, what about “separation of the press and extreme partisan politics”? That is in the Constitution as blatantly as “separation of church and state”…

    • Karen

      Really? Which amendment states that the media can be censored for extreme partisan politics? What is the exact language? If it’s really there, I have a really good case for shutting down fox news and rush limbaugh.

      Unfortunately, I think you are wrong, and I’m going to have to live with both.

      • DaveH

        Obviously, Karen, you missed Roy’s point. Neither is in the Constitution.

        • Karen

          Oh right. I forgot about that ridiculous meme. How does it go again? Is it that the first amendment isn’t really part of the constitution? Or is it that the text of the first amendment (which I reproduce below) doesn’t really include a separation of church and state?

          “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

          • DaveH

            Can you read Karen? “Congress shall make no law”. There is no statement saying “separation of church and state”, just that Congress can make no law favoring a religion.
            It also says “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”. If telling somebody they can’t pray in school is not prohibiting the free exercise thereof, then what is?

          • eyeswideopen

            DaveH, it is FORCING someone to be exposed to something that they have a right to be sheilded from. You of all people who contantly expouses “Government is force”, should understand that we have the right not to have a religious belief forced upon us.

          • Michael

            Karen, I appreciate you posting the exact words of the amendment. Show me again where it says separate. I just don’t see it. It only says that congress can’t establish a religion or prohibit the practice of one either. For example: telling people in school that they can not pray is prohibiting the practicing of one. Not allowing schools to force kids to pray is a good thing but telling them they can’t pray while on school grounds is unconstitutional for the same reason. The fact is, our forefathers did believe in god (just read our money) they were just smart enough to know that when the government meddles in religion it never ends well. That is true whether the rules they are trying to enforce are in your favor or not. Saying that this amendment allows for separation is correct. Saying that it requires separation however, is completely wrong. It says that the government should have no say either way. BTW I am a strongly christian man who is not in favor of what was said to Tiger. I agree with what he thinks, but do not think that national television was the place to say it. In gods eyes all sins are equal; like say judging others for their sins.

          • Smilee

            It does not say separate but it means separate, your simplistic interpretation is totally wrong and the Supreme Court has on more that one occasion interpreted it as meaning separate and that is why it is separate despite your incorrect and simplistic interpretation of this amendment. Karen is totally right in her post

          • Tinwarble

            Karen & Smilee,

            First, it does not mean “separation of Church & state” in the first amendment, the actually Supreme Court ruling came to that conclusion because of Thomas Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptist Church in which he stated “a wall of eternal separation between church and state,”, but most people don’t know that in that letter Jefferson stated also that “Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion & the Executive authorities only to execute their acts. I have refrained from prescribing even those occasional performances of devotion practiced in deed by the executive of another nation as the legal head of a National Church, but subject here, as religion exercises on the the voluntary regulations & discipline of each respective sect.”, which was in the original letter, but omitted from the last draft. The “separation of Church & state” as Jefferson meant it, was that the Executive (or Federal Government) should not be the leader of the church (or denomination), not that religion had no place in the government.

            But the Supreme Court did not rule on the interpretation of the 1st Amendment, but on the case of Reynolds v. United States in 1879, in which the U.S. Supreme Court opined that the Danbury letter “may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [first] amendment thus secured.”.

          • eyeswideopen

            Tinwarble, James Madison states “the purpose of sepration of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries”. That is a direct quote discussing speration of church and state, explaining why they felt it necessary to do so. You cannot re-write history.

          • Smilee

            tinwarble

            The Supreme Court has several rulings on this issue defining separation of church and state since 1879, if you wish to believe your own interpretation that is your privilege its just that the Supreme court disagrees with and the reason they have ruled as they have does not change the outcome, you are just totally ignorant and wrong

          • denniso

            We’ve been through this before…The reason for the establishment clause is to prevent the gov’t from favoring or supporting any religion. Public schools are funded by taxpayer $$…public spaces are funded by tax $$. If any religious activity is allowed in public spaces then that is public tax $$ essentially supporting religion.
            It isn’t complicated and it really comes down to mostly Christians wanting to push their religion on the public. The real test would come if Muslims and Hindus and Wiccans tried to shove their religion into schools…watch the hypocrital Christians scream then. They only favor religion in public places because they are in the majority and they can dominate the others.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            In response to Smilee’s post, where again he has brought up the Supreme Court as something we should respect as God like or something, I dont know. But I do know, the Supreme Court also said that its ok to murder unborn infants inside their mothers womb, and I can tell you for a fact, God doesnt like that one bit. The Supreme Court is just a bunch of men, thats all. Sinful, fallible men. Dont put them on a pedestal. They are mere men.

          • Tinwarble

            Eyes,

            Like most, you would take a quote and use it out of context, if you knew your history would also know that he also said:
            “If it were lawful to impose a small tax for religion the admission would pave the way for oppressive levies.”;
            His view on “separation of church and state” was that the government had no business in regulating religion or establishing a single religion, as it was done in England, not that religion had no place in government.

            And Thomas Jefferson said this:

            “God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever.”

      • Anthony

        Well – maybe it is unfortunate that bogotted idiots, fascists, treasonists, fanatical relegious zealots, liars, cheats, and false prophits are allowed the rights of free speach under the Constitution. I just hope tha majority of the U.S. population can measure their I.Q. in triple digits and can see through these false messiahs (which one is the true antichrist?).

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I have a question for you Anthony, and please answer it to me truthfully. I claim Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour. I bowed down one day and cried out to Him to come into my life, and forgive me sins. I told Him I needed Him, and He came and rescued me, and released the huge burden of sins I carried with me for 40 years. Now, having read this, and it is all true, every word of it, my question to you is, Am I a zealot to you? Because I am a Christian that has accept Jesus Christ into my life, am I what you are calling a zealot? Im curious. Please advise me of this. Thank you.

          • Smilee

            YOU VERY OFTEN COME ACROSS AS VERY JUDGMENTAL, WHY NOT ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION AFTER ALL IT IS ONLY YOU WHO CAN ANSWER IT, HIS OPINION WOULD MEAN LITTLE AND WOULD ONLY BE JUST HIS OPINION

          • George

            Smilee,

            Nearly everyone on this board is strongly opinionated, and therefore judges others who disagree with them as wrong. That said, I wouldn’t call any of them “zealots.” That’s pretty strong. Don’t you think?

          • Smilee

            GEORGE

            I DID NOT USE THE WORD ZEALOT, THAT IS YOUR WORD, PLEASE DO NOT SPIN MY WORDS. HONEST PEOPLE LET EACH INTERPRET MY WORDS FOR THEMSELVES AND THEY DO NOT NEED YOUR INTERPRETATION

          • George

            Smilee,

            No offense intended. I must have mistakenly taken that word (zealot) out of Anthony’s post, above. Sorry about that.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            If you take the words I state on what the Bible says, and declare it as judgemental on my part, you are wrong. Its not my position to judge. But if I tell you what the Bible says about it, then brother, that is God judging you, not me. I didnt write the Bible. If I tell someone the truth, the honest truth, that is not judging the. If your going to jump of a building, and I say Smilee its going to hurt when you land, that isnt judging you, thats telling you the truth. If I tell you that you go to hell for stealing, them I being judgmental, and I would be a liar, because its not true. But if I tell you that you go to hell for not accepting Jesus Christ as your savior, then I am telling you the truth, not judging you. If you take it as judging you, thats on you, because even if it was true, it wouldnt mean nothing, because my judgement wouldnt have a vote in things now would it? No sir, not at all. And if someone is doing wrong, and you tell them they shouldnt be doing it, no, again, thats not judgment. Thats called love, trying to direct someone from wrong to right. I think as an adult, thats the least we can do for people.

    • James

      Roy, I assume you are referring to the First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.”
      That doesn’t mean Congress may not start their meetings with a prayer, they do that all the time. It simply precludes Congress from passing any law which would affect those rights. It says “Congress shall make no law” not ‘Congress shall never personally mention God in their deliberations’.

      • Smilee

        The Supreme Court disagrees with you, surly you know that!!

        • James

          Smilee, Show me, cite one High Court case-law that says government officials may not openly speak of their religion.

          • Smilee

            Sorry, I misread your original post, you are totally correct

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Anybody that listens to a word Keith Olberman says needs their head examined anyways. I have never seen a person so filled with hate in my life, that is allowed on public airwaves to spew his venom. And he stunk when he was on Sports Center before that.

  • http://aol Annamarie Bernath

    I think Tiger wants to stop what got him in trouble It all just got away from him. We all make mistakes . Hindu, Catholic and muslems.I had known when that came out of Brits mouth there would be a big to do about it. He was voicing his opinion, The left doesn’t like that .They need to get used to it now.

    • Harold Olsen

      If the left wants to hear an opinion from someone on the right, they’ll tell him what his opinion is. They do not want people on the right to think for themselves, something the left is not very capable of doing.

      • Smilee

        I have personally known few on the far right that are capable of thinking for themselves so why blame it on the liberals they did not cause this

        • Michele

          :>)

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Smilee,

          Hmmmmmmmmmmm…..must be why liberals are always asking everyone else for help; Having a bit of trouble with your own thought process? Else you surely would have solved ALL the WORLD’s problems by now….! Please get out of the FLL’s meeting of the mindless.

          Fed Up Gal

    • Anthony

      Those of us “on the left” don’t care about anyone’s personal beliefs…we just want them kept out of news reports and put into an editorial which is where they belong. All I want from the news are the facts, not someone’s personal opinion.

      • Curtis S

        Brit Hume’s arrogance is what got him in trouble. His statement suggested that Tiger’s faith in Buddhism wasn’t as good as a faith in Christianity. It was an arrogant thought delivered with an arrogant tone and having watched the clip a few times, the whole thing looked premeditated. Brit didn’t slip, I think his line was not only planned, he rehearsed it. That’s my problem with what he said, it was arrogant and based on the assumption that being part of Jesus’ Taliban is the only “right way” to have faith.

        • Smilee

          Right ON!

        • eyeswideopen

          Very perceptive!!

        • George

          Curtis,

          I can understand why Brit’s comment was offensive to you. Can you understand why your comment “Jesus’ Taliban” is offensive to me? I would have thought someone with your wisdom and good manners would show more tolerance and understanding for those you don’t agree with. You seem to expect it from others……

          • Curtis S

            I’m sorry George, I can’t understand why you be offended by the term “Jesus’ Taliban”. Based on what you’ve posted, you certainly don’t strike me as a neo-conservative, fundamentalist Christian. I have no problem with you or any of my friends or family believing they have a personal relationship with a higher power or a supreme being. My problem is when this personal belief system crosses over into politics and government. My problem is also the hypocrisy on this forum…

            Here’s a post from the popular DaveH…
            “Great people don’t advocate stealing their neighbor’s money and forcing their neighbors to do things they don’t want to do.”
            Dave feels that way about liberals, I feel that way about religious zealots. How can I be wrong and DaveH is right?

            Here’s another post from the popular DaveH…
            “And sure, if we get Government out of our personal choices and the Marketplace, people are going to murder each other. Where do you get that crap?”
            Substitute the world religion where DaveH uses government. Why would Dave’s statement be right and mine be wrong?

            Here’s another post from the popular DaveH…
            “Great people don’t advocate stealing their neighbor’s money and forcing their neighbors to do things they don’t want to do.”
            Again, if he was talking about religion instead of liberal politicians, would you still agree?

            When DaveH talks about Individual Freedoms he’s applauded, why don’t those individual freedom extend to Tiger Woods and his religious belief?
            George, the term “Jesus’ Taliban” was certainly meant to be provocative, and you should be offended by Christians who are the equals of the Islamic terrorists. However, George, I don’t think I would consider you one of them. Offending you George, was not my intent.

          • George

            Well, thank you Curtis. I’m taken by your response. That’s really very gentlemanly of you, and I certainly do appreciate it. I see no reason why you and I can’t work together to sort out topics like this one.

            I’ve come to respect DaveH in the discussion groups he and I have participated in. However, I’ll try to be objective in discussing this with you. I’d probably have to go back and re-read each of the posts you’ve referred to in order to put everyone’s comments into proper perspective if I were to try to comment on each individually. I’m not sure that’s really the thing to do right now. (It is getting late.) I will say that you mentioned a couple of times that you didn’t see how DaveH could be right and you could be wrong. That caught my attention. I guess I’m thinking that it’s really not necessary for everyone to come to agreement on these posts, and maybe sometimes there really aren’t any absolute right and wrong answers. It may be enough for each of us to present our arguments and/or opinions in an intelligent way without attacking other people’s character or intention. Everyone has a right to their opinion, even if I don’t agree with them. It’s really not important that I change anyone else’s mind on these subjects, but it is important that I hear other arguments and make up my own mind as to what’s right and wrong. In the end, I’ll do whatever I think is proper regardless whatever others decide to do, and I respect their right to do the same.

            I hope this is helpful. Thanks again, Curtis. I look forward to more dialogue with you. Take care.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Curtis S,

            Hopefully this will post below your 24 Jan, 5:18pm posting.

            Wow…you do enjoy being miserable, don’t you? If you dislike this “forum” so much….why continue in your misery?….Why not visit a forum that you find more palitable?….One that you feel fits more in line with your liberal views?

            Fed Up Gal

        • Tinwarble

          Curtis,

          First, no Brit didn’t not misspeak, he repeated his comments later and said that he stuck by what he said.
          And second, what he meant was that Buddhism does not offer forgiveness, (a fact), and if Tiger wanted forgiveness then he should turn to Christianity, because Christianity offered forgiveness.
          And third, if you don’t know why your “Jesus’ Taliban” statement was offensive, then you are just clueless. Unlike the Taliban, Christians don’t force you to believe as we do, nor do we kill you if you don’t believe as we do. But that also doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t tell people such as you how allowing Christ into your life will save your soul. And unless you are living in some other world, I don’t hear of any Christian pulling you out of your house and putting a gun to your head.

          • Curtis S

            Um… Tinwarble (JoeH)?… thank you for proving my allegation that Brit Hume’s amazingly arrogant statement was no accident.
            Secondly, is it arrogance or ignorance that makes you and the Brit Hume’s of the world think that Buddhism doesn’t offer forgiveness? Buddhism most certainly offers forgiveness, it just doesn’t require sitting in a confession booth or dropping a few extra bucks in a collection plate.
            Thirdly, if you believe that’s great. If you insist on trying to jam that belief down other people’s throats then you should expect some people wanting to resist having to gag. Unsolicited expressions of faith are just like unsolicited opinions and unsolicited advice, never heeded and usually causing feelings of resentment.
            I find it very Taliban-like that you put “God” into the pledge of allegiance, I find it an act of the Jesus’ Taliban to shove a statue of the ten commandments into a court house or a statehouse. No, I haven’t had a Christian put a gun to my head, and I will do everything in my power to make sure they never get the chance.
            If the Jesus’ Taliban sandal fits you Tinwarble… wear it.

          • Tinwarble

            Curtis,

            Perhaps your argument would hold water if someone was forcing you to say the “Pledge of Allegiance” or someone held a gun on you to sing “God Bless America”, but no one is forcing you to do anything. Unlike with the Taliban you do not have to even acknowledge GOD and you can ignore the teachings of the Bible. Professing one’s faith is not forcing others to believe as we do, nor is it shoving it down anyone’s throat.
            Maybe when you call someone “Taliban” you should turn the mirror on yourself, since it is you and those like you that are trying to make everyone conform to your way of thinking. When you try to take away the ability of someone to say GOD in the public forum you are the same as the Taliban, just on the opposite side of the coin.

          • Curtis S

            Tinwarbler… is this what your debate has come to? The “I Know You Are But What Am I” loser’s refrain from childhood? My argument MUST hold water because you’ve dodged it once again. Brit Hume’s comment was arrogant (and premeditated). Brit Hume’s comment was ignorant, because Buddhism DOES offer forgiveness. And again, you’re being incredibly obtuse and ignoring what were the main points of my previous posts. If you need to hear it again… I’m AM trying to take away the ability of a minority of fundamentalist Christians from using God and Jesus as their “bully boys”. I’m trying to point out to fundamentalist Christians that religious freedoms apply equally to Buddhists. I would also like to mention that the Buddhist religion is an EQUAL to Christianity in the eyes of the Constitution. I’m not trying to take away your right to say god, but I wish you’d be a little more humble about it and stop using the word to feel superior to Buddhists and any other religions you and Brit Hume obviously DON’T understand. Ugh… sigh… I await your clever reply.

          • Joe H.

            Tin,
            for his statement to have been premeditated, it has to have been proven to be pre thought out and the poster above can’t prove that. His argument as you say doesn’t hold water!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Yet you insist on spewing your opinion, but no one else who see’s things different than you is allowed their opinion. How liberal of you.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I dont cut corners, I speak the truth. The left didnt appreciate Brit Hume speaking the truth, which is exactly what he said. Tiger is carrying a huge burden of sin and guilt right now, and it will remain on him, until he asks Jesus Christ to forgive him, and only at that point, will it all be washed away and put away forever, and he will experience freedom for the first time in his life.

      • eyeswideopen

        Beberoni, basically, you are judging Tiger, and in public dictating what religion he should change too. When you spread the word of Christianity, you don’t have to demean or belittle any other religion. Did you speak out like this when Ensign committed adultery? Did you or your religious right wingers tell him that he should change his denomination as it didn’t prevent him from committing sin? I didn’t hear Britt condemn and offer suggestions to Ensign, Vitter or Stamford, even though they all belong to the “Family” aka “C Street” in Washington, which is a religous group for Congressmen. Shouldn’t Britt have been concerned enough to offer his opinion as to which Christian church they should belong to, as obviously theirs had failed?

        • Smilee

          Way to go EYES!!!

        • Gibby

          I’d have to score that as ONE point for Eyes.

        • Michele

          He should have not only offered his opinion…but he should have done it on national TV. That’s how good Christians do it.

        • libertytrain

          John Edwards – for some reason he came to my mind while reading your comment -

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          No, I dont judge Tiger. God will judge him, just as he will judge you and I. Hate on me for telling the truth if you like, thats your opinion and I fully support your right to be wrong. Jesus Christ is the only One that went to the cross, the only One who shed their blood for me, the only One that it was prophecied about that would come and die on the cross for my forgiveness of sins. He took a beating, where he was beat beyond the recognition of a man, if you care to read your Bible and discover that. He came for one purpose, and one purpose alone, not to judge man, but to serve man. And His dying on the cross did just that. However, be advised, He is coming again, and this time, it will be to judge man. Use your cop out that Im judging, but no where in there did I judge Tiger. The dude is a sinner. You call that me judging him, then you are wrong. Its the truth. Ive accepted Jesus Christ as my saviour, and guess what, Im still a sinner. We all are sinners and will be until we are out of this flesh suit we are wearing. But judging? Please. Get real. Tiger needs Jesus Christ, and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out, now does it. To not want him to have that, is pure hatred on your part. How can you not want the best for your fellow man. I want the love of Jesus Christ to be in your life. But I dont judge, so dont tell stories about me like that. Its not true.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      The whole thing is, he said Christian. We all know that. If he were a devout Muslim, and said that Tiger should come over and swith to being a Muslim because it would really help him, not a word would have been said, and rightfully so. When did we become so sensitive that we cannot say things without some one always getting offended? How is it we cannot speak of Jesus Christ? I thought we have freedom of speech in America? Everyone can say anything they want, but dont you dare say Jesus. That guys dangerous you know, what with all that I love you so much Im willing to die for you stuff. Unbelievable.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And a big reason the press has swallowed this story hook, line and sicker, and ran and ran and ran with it, is because they cannot stand to see anyone succeed and get ahead like him. They are waiting in line to knock down anyone who appears to be going good and in the right direction. Yeah, Tiger screwed up, he screwed up big time. But report it and let it go. Man alive, I mean JFK bedded down 10 times the women Tiger did, and so did Bill Clinton. Heck, Monica and Bill didnt even get this much press, and he was the president.

  • Canuklehead

    Yes, Tiger Woods messed up. Why should he switch from a peasefull religion like Buddism to a religion that has raped and slaughtered MILLIONS of people over the last 2000 years? Tiger will have to face his own karma in his next life. He doesn’t need the “non-forgiveness” of some fake Christian sect to become a better human being.

    • C. Smith

      I am with you Canuklehead on this – but your support will be by few, as it is the few who seek Truth and call it just that!

      Why are so many people in favor today or a religion which slaughtered more than WWI and WWII combined – well for me it is the twin to Capitalism = making money off FEAR! Why do they feel like their God is so Great BUT it takes them to support him and protect their religion? That would take care of itself, wouldn’t it if there God is so Great?

      • Douglas Smith

        Karen you are a FOOL. What you need to do is move to some other country and keep spouting your nonsense and maybe they will help you find what it is you are looking for.

        • trust no one

          why is she a fool for reciting the first amendment of the constitution

          • Smilee

            A Real fool cannot recognize a real fool and as you can see he did not look in the mirror to know what a real fool looks like, but he would have denied seeing himself

        • eyeswideopen

          Douglas, have you noticed that name calling starts when someone can’t refute a statement and out of frustration reverts back to when they were children? If you can’t argue an issue, just don’t respond.

          • libertytrain

            Yep, you all sure do.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I totally agree eyes. I see you and Smilee resort to this on every thread you appear on, but hey, Im over it. Im used to it. But the people that arent familiar with you two’s drivel are getting ticked off by it, that is plain to see.

          • eyeswideopen

            Bebe, find me a post where I have called someone a name, and I will apologize. Thx.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You just accused me of being a “Judger” up a few posts. That is a bad name to me. You have accosted DaveH many times also.

        • Claire

          Douglas–shame on you. Karen has a right to her opinions just like everybody else on this site. You expressed your opinions, why can’t she express hers??? Don’t call her a fool. It is fine to disagree, but good grief get a handle on it. Personally, I believe there are a lot of people on this site that has good common sense. I don’t care what party they belong to (if they belong to a certain party), basically, we are all here for the same reasons. We want the best for America, we want America to be strong again.

          • George

            Claire,

            Thanks for those words of wisdom. We could use more courtesy and willingness to listen to other opinions. I’d bet we could all learn something new and worthwhile if we just open our minds, and in some cases, shut our mouths.

      • David

        uh because our religion and our God is under attack. So if certain groups (religions) do not like us because we are Christian, then you have our attention. We will not change for you. Caulkhead & Smith are probably muslim….or or liberal. Still mad about Mass?

        • Michele

          By who?

      • Joe H.

        C. Smith,
        And the Government isn’t making money off of fear when they say we have to go green or we will all be flooded off the continent by 2035 when what they meant was 2350???? If not, I sure would like to know how Gore made 300,000,000 since leaving office!!!! Or their We have to have a government option immediately or 25% of the people will be without health care when the plan the congress passed admittedly only covers 15% of the uninsured!!!! And it won’t go into effect for 3 years at the earliest!!!! Tax all who have good coverage, but wait, the unions supported us so the teamsters, autoworkers and a few others will be exempt!!!! You are sounding so bad that I had trouble keeping on your track there!!!!

        • eyeswideopen

          Joe, so even if they are wrong, don’t you still want to save the water and air for your childrens future? Wouldn’t it be smart to use clean economical transportation? Why shouldn’t we improve our cars and clean the air at the same time? Why not use solar and take the pressure off the outdated grid we have? Why does the right not want to do the smart thing? Do you want to keep giving trillion of dollars to the Saudi’s, why not keep our money at home, create jobs and care for the environment at the same time? The smokers had to give up their rights to smoke anywhere they wanted too, because of air quality, why not clean up our cars and reap the benefits?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            In response to your solar quote, I have to add this. I was fishing up in Canada, and upon returning 4 years later, I noticed they built this nice shower/restroom/laundry room in the camp ground. It was all solar powered, with a separate house holding the panels and the batteries. Real nice, hot water that wasnt there before, lights, a washer and a dryer, all solar powered. Its in a remote area where they dont have electrical lines. But come the 3rd day into the 7 day trip, it turned cloudy out, and there want lights or hot water or power the rest of the week. That is the down side of solar power. If you dont have sun, you dont have squat. Might be great in sunny Arizona where you have sun most of the time, but in Canada where I was fishing, and in Indiana, we have a lot of cloudy days. Its just not dependable, and thats the problem. If oil want dependable, we wouldnt use it. I agree with you about it sucks giving money to the Saudi’s. Thats why we should drill and use our own oil, and we have plenty here, but the left wing liberals are in bed with the environmentalists, and nothing can be done. Meanwhile we spend billions of dollars, giving grants to people who are farting around with so called new technology, and its not working. Give me oil, or something as dependable as it. When that happens, Ill get onboard. But I cant get on this green Al Gore thing, because its all an agenda based lie for him to get rich, and sorry, Im not gullible. Ive studied up on it, and researched and researched it, and Al Gore is a blatant liar. Bottom line.

    • DaveH

      Perhaps, Canuklehead, you should read this article. People are people in all walks of life including religion. There are those who quickly disparage their fellow human beings and those who don’t in every human organization. It’s just life:
      http://rasheedgonzales.wordpress.com/2007/10/10/muslims-victims-of-buddhist-violence/

    • http://windstream lee

      You do not know anything about Christians. God is love, so Christians are love. We follow Christ that is why we are called Christians, Christ said go into all the world and preach or teach the gospel to every creature,( that even means you or Tiger it mean everyone should have the chance to hear the gospel and obey) He who believes and is Baptized will be saved. God created man in his image, He want everyone to hear and obey his gospel, and to worship him so they will not have to spend eternety in Hell with the Devil and his angels. Let me ask you is Hell a place you want to spend eternety in, or would you like to spend eternety with a loving God and the most loving people throughout history of man. we have a choice where we will spend eterenty. with the Most evil people who has ever lived or with the best people who have ever lived. your choice.

      • Anthony

        Christianity is still in the minority and the most divided (toll the math for the number of different denominations, all claiming to be the only true church – they are even at war within their own ranks). Fundmentalist Christians and Mulims are anti-God and the teachings of the Bible and the Koran. These are the evil ones.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Sorry Anthony, but you are so wrong. Am I judging you in your eyes? Well Im not, but your wrong. Christianity exists to save your life. Many of us are praying for you to have the good things and eternal life with us. Yet you want to attack us. Does that tell you anything?

      • Curtis S

        Lee… couple of things.
        Firstly, you say that Christ told you to go into the world and preach or teach the gospel to every creature? That’s fine, but why are Christians so offended when people gag on what you’re ramming down their throats? If people ask about your religion, then preach and teach to your heart’s content. If no one asks, keep it to yourselves.
        Secondly, I think you got the “God created man in his own image” quote backwards. Man created god in his own image, so he could worship himself.
        Thirdly, I think HELL would be spending an eternity with arrogant, self-righteous Christians who use their god to make themselves superior to others.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Darkness, plain darkness. Calling all Christians in this thread to pray heavily tonight for Curtis and Anthony. May God’s peace comfort them, and may the Holy Spirit come to dwell in them, that they might know the righteousness and good things that await them. Amen.

      • Michele

        Spouting hatred and intolerance in the name of Jesus is not the right thing to do…even if you are an ardent Christian. God made all of us on this Earth. He made Christians but He also made Jews, Muslims, and even pagans. He didn’t put persons of other faiths on this Earth as a challenge to Christians to see if we could win them over to “our side”. He didn’t make the billions of persons of other faiths so that he could send them to Hell. He put them here because He loves them too. He made every man, woman, and child in His image.

        Comments on this post are why religion and politics need to stay separate. In societies where they aren’t separate we have problems like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan. In the USSR and China they banned all religion…that’s no good either. There needs to be a balance and for the last 250 years we have had that balance more or less. I have faith it will continue.

        Live and conduct yourself as a Christian…would Jesus be happy that you are using His name to be an intolerant bigot? Jesus wasn’t intolerant to the tax collector…he used kindness and patience to show him the Way. And if the tax collector hadn’t listened would Jesus have started to scream at him that he was going to Hell? Of course not.

        Don’t bother replying to me and telling me I’m not the right kind of Christian or whatever. I am just the right kind of Christian.

        • eyeswideopen

          Michele, couldn’t have said it better. Bless you.

    • coal miner

      Canuklehead,

      You are right.

      Christianity is the most maliginant poison that was ever inserted into the minds of western man,for the past 2000 years we had genocide,wars and misery.All these so called religious morons should take a look around and look at the history of their own religion.They would hold their heads in shame.Christians say muslems are a sick and twisted religion.What do they called christianity?The Inquisition was the most perverted carnage that would make the most fanatical,cruelest and ignorant muslem pale in comparision.These Christians got the balls to throw stones at the islamic religion or Buddhism,you got the dark ages that christianity was responsible for.You righteous Christians don’t put other religions down,all you have to do is look into your own past. Canuklehead,you are right.The witch hunt and burning mentality still exist,only in different,subtle forms.

      Have a good day!

      • http://Don'thaveone Sally

        Not the believers. The Roman Catholic Church did all that for control. Islam just beheaded the Crusaders. I could tell you much much more but from your comments you have a hard heart and don’t want to know the truth as the truth will set you free.

        • Anthony

          Buddaism comes much closer to the truth than Christianity. Budda never exhorted his followers to kill those who were different. Instead, he taught love in the highest order and that we all will be held accountable for our actions in the next life.

          • Joe H.

            Anthony,
            Since you are a follower of Buddhism then what if there isn’t another life and another as you claim? What if this IS the only chance you get???? I hope you like hot weather cus it’s going to be hotter than you ever felt!!! God loves even you and will save you by just asking and meaning it!!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I researched this, and found the original founder is buried dead somewhere, and still in the grave. That is the main difference between Christianity and all other religions, is that Jesus Christ never laid in the ground and went to rot. He rose after 3 days just as the scriptures said, and there is much proof of this. There is also so much in scientific history that has been discovered that echoses directly on dozens of things written in the Bible. In fact, they have spent billions of dollars trying to prove evolution and cant do it, and they have also spent billions trying to hide the truths in the Bible. So many dont want it, because they would have to own up do doing so much wrong in their lives, that they dont want to have to do that. Jesus is alive and well, and talks to me almost everyday. He would everyday but Im still a dumb human and I dont come to Him as I should everday, because Im a sinner in a skin suit. But I try.

        • eyeswideopen

          Sally, and the Crusaders(Christians) killed everyone in Jerusalem including the Christians and Jews. Know your history prior to preaching or critizing would be a good rule. I am a Christian, who understands and accepts the history of my faith and learned that Jesus told us not to pass judgement on our brothers for a reason. Judgement is his alone. Using judgement for our own actions and passing judgement on others for their actions are two entirely different concepts that the religious right wingers can’t seem to assimilate. If you leave judging to God, you will be a lot happier, and so will Jesus. You can spread the word, without telling people that they are wrong, belittling them or critizing their religion.

          • Joe H.

            Actually Eyes,
            You are as wrong as Sally if she is!!! God wants us to tell the sinner that they are sinning and to tell them to sin no more!!! He just reserves the judgment to himself!!! Read your good book a little closer!!!

          • Michele

            Amen sister!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Joe is correct eyes. We are to call out sin and expose it. But, it should be administered in love, not as a castigation of their guilt or hammered down their throat.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And the muslims rose up and killed all the Christians, and to this day, they believe in killing anyone who things differently than them. I thank God that Christianity had a reformation and backed away from those evil things they did a long long time ago in the dark ages. Those people were confused, and did a lot of wrong. Christianity has gotten back on the right track. Too bad so few pay attention, that like Anthony, all they can see is the false prophets that rise up and JUDGE all of Christianity by that.

      • George

        I guess I just see it a little differently than you do. Comparing Islam today with Christianity of the middle ages, seems like comparing apples and oranges to me. If you go back far enough you can find bad things for just about anything you want. We can’t be responsible for what our ancestors did, but can be responsible for what we do today and tomorrow. When people say Christianity is bad or evil because of bad deeds done hundreds of years ago, I feel like they’re just scraping the bottom of the barrel to justify their opinion. That’s not necessary. Everyone has a right to their opinion, even if I may not agree with it.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Because only Jesus Christ can forgive his sins, and take this enormous burden off of him. I will guarantee you, fully knowing Jesus Christ, that Tiger isnt coming back as a cow or a dog or anything else. He is going to heaven or hell, and the choice is his, not yours or mine.

  • Canuklehead

    Yes, Tiger Woods messed up. Why should he switch from a peaceful religion like Buddism to a religion that has raped and slaughtered MILLIONS of people over the last 2000 years? Tiger will have to face his own karma in his next life. He doesn’t need the “non-forgiveness” of some fake Christian sect to become a better human being.

    • DaveH
    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Now see, I could be all nasty like those that attack Christianity, and mention how the Chinese and buddhist monks are always fighting and killing each other, and lambast the whole religion and say you are lying about it being a peaceful religion, but I know these things happen, mainly here because of the Chinese governments opposition to religion, not wanting it to spread too much or to have too much control. There is good, bad and ugly in everything, so dont ever judge the whole unit by a few bad apples.

  • http://charter.net susanburnette

    it is a sin to even say anything about being christian, but it’s ok to kill for the muslim religion this politial correctness is just going to far.

    • Karen

      As a liberal, let me tell you that it is neither a sin nor a crime to talk about your religion, whether Christian, Islam, or other. It is also not a sin or a crime to criticize others for talking about theirs. On the other hand, it is a crime to kill for your religion, or to encourage others to kill. In fact, I have never met anyone, liberal or conservative, who condoned the violence perpetrated by extremist followers of Islam, or any other religion.

      You must run into a different type of “liberal” than the ones I know.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Very well said Karen. I agree with you on this. I would never kill someone because they arent Christian. Rather, I pray for them. Big difference.

      • eyeswideopen

        Hands clapping for you!!

        • Smilee

          DITTO DITTO!!! Thanks Karen

      • George

        Karen,

        Thanks for your words of wisdom, and helping to focus this discussion. I think we need more of this on this board. Everyone should be entitled to their opinion without being called a moron or idiot.

      • Michele

        Thanks!

      • eyeswideopen

        Karen, Uganda is going to kill the gays in their country for being gay. They have been getting advice and ministering from the Republican Party members of Congress. Those are Christian politicians who are proposing legislation in that country to kill. Yes, it is happening today, and yes it is Christians who are trying to do that.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I got news for you. Just recently in Uganda, they were going around with machetes and cutting off the hands of all they caught reading the Bible, so that they couldnt hold them anymore. I do not believe this was Christians that did this. I believe you are mistaken greatly.

        • Joe H.

          eyes,
          a little proof please!!!! show a site that states that and is factual please!!!

        • Michael J.

          EWO,
          There has been plenty written on the Uganda situation. The one you posted is from The New York Times. I don’t beleive anything from the New York Times. You should search Uganda Gays.

  • Tony

    We need more public figuers like Brit Hume who have the guts to stand up for their christian believe.

    • David

      Amen, this will only help him.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Thats why he left ABC, CBS, or NBC, whoever he was with before going to Fox, because they didnt want him speaking the truth about things.

  • don

    America is a nation in which we say we believe in God, while at the same time behave like atheists. The secularist looks to the government and the “born-again” Protestant to Jesus. Neither seem willing to travel a difficult, life-long road of spiritual struggle TOWARD salvation. All want instant results, that is the “quick fix”.(I’ll bet Tiger did not get his golfing skill in an instant!). To this end, it seems to me that this sort of thing is actually more a form of psychotherapy than a commitment to historical christianity.

  • Pat

    AMEN!! To the first two previous comments. As far as I am concerned, one either believes The Scriptures or they don’t – remember, those of us who have the courage to stand up for a Savior who canNOT be disproven via Science, will be persecuted just as Yeshua/Christ. However, WE KNOW He is WITH us and will be throughout this Life and into Eternity!! WE have this/His PROMISE! For those who DON’T BELIEVE – Q: Wouldn’t it be better to believe and accept a Savior who CAN forgive and gives us the Hope/assurance that there is an Eternity with Yaweh/God, than to die [without believing] and THEN discover there really is??!!! I commend Brit Hume and the Christians who are part of Fox News, especially, Glenn Beck! They are a breath of fresh air in a time when most everything else in this Life, appears dead! If anyone questions whether there is a power greater than our own, just take note of what happened to Air America Radio!! Halleluia!! :)

    • don

      The Church teaches that what we are (that is, the sum total of what we have in fact made ourselves into) is what counts, not what we say we believe, let alone how we feel. This is what Christ taught us when He said: “Not everyone who says to Me,’Lord, Lord’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. (Matthew 7:21)Our salvation is the sum total of our life (and perhaps beyond) not some magical moment in time where everything is now OK.

      • Pat

        Just now reading this, Don – I’m sorry, but it isn’t our “sum total” of anything that validates “Salvation”; it is our belief and ACCEPTANCE of the Messiah who died for all of us and our sin – we can only KNOW THIS through the study of His Divine Word. It ISN’T any “church” – PEOPLE are the “church”; no man-made doctrines will help any of us or reassure any of us Eternity. It is either the belief IN HIS WORD – The Scriptures – and the acceptance of The Messiah as our Savior, or it is not. 2 Chronicles 7:14

        Please click on to the following:

        http://www.greatdanepro.com/Pray%20For%20America/index.htm

        • don

          Salvation is not a matter of instant experience, nor is it one of cosmic fate or election. Rather it is like every thing else — a process, a struggle. How are we saved? How can we someday awake in God’s likeness? Some Protestants will give a simplistic and incomplete answer to the question: “By believing that Christ died on the cross for us.” This answer at best, is only partially correct. An answer , more in keeping to the question, “How are we saved?” is simple but difficult: by struggling to become like Christ. Salvation is not static but dynamic; it is not a completed state of having arrived but a constant moving toward becoming like Christ, toward receiving the fullnes of God’s life that can never be achieved fully in this life.
          All Blessings!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I disagree Don. Some folks live rotten lives all the way to the end, and actually get a chance on their dying beds, and call upon Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness of their sins, and they truly, instantly, inherit the Kingdom of heaven. Unfortunately, a lot of people plan on doing it that way, and they did in a car wreck or other quick deaths where they dont get that chance. Thats where the he who is first shall be last, and he who is last shall be first is about. That guy that asks for forgiveness right before he goes, will go to Heaven just as fast or faster than me who has been at it for 11 years. God wants us all to come to forgiveness and repentence, and thats how it is. It has nothing to do with this who weve become. It has to do with what we believe, and I believe Jesus Christ came to earth, suffered and died on the cross for my sins, was put into a tomb and 3 days later arose from the dead, and that in believing in Him, I have eternal life. And when I asked Him into my life, oh yeah, He was definately there. It was all anew. Thats how I can say without a doubt, that Jesus Christ is alive and well. No doubt about it. He lives inside of me.

  • Kevin Miller

    The way I see it.if the Left hates us for our comments or our
    deeds,we must be doing something right.The way I see it,the Left
    in their opinions and intolerant deeds don’t count,anyway.Let the
    Leftists and Islamists(who I don’t think count,either)have their
    fun now(although,we oughtn’t forget to try to stop terrorism and abortion),for,when JESUS Returns,it’ll be all over for them.They
    either Repent or be forever destroyed.GOD,Our FATHER,would rather
    it be the former because HE wants Salvation for us all.Still,I Hope
    we can elect a Conservative Legislature and President before that
    happens.

    • Karen

      The left doesn’t hate you. The left loves you, and wants good things for you. For example, the left wants you:
      to have a good paying job.
      to have safe, affordable, healthy food.
      to have safe drinking water.
      to have an affordable roof over your head.
      to have transportation to wherever you want to go. And if you must drive, to have safe, accessible roads.
      to be able to get help if you are sick.
      to have a fire department to stop your house from burning down
      to have a police department to enforce the laws, and if necessary, remove people who would do you harm.
      And most of all, to have the freedom to say whatever foolish things you want to as many people as you choose, with no greater repercussions than having someone point out the error of your ways (which you are then free to ignore).

      • Robert

        I think I’m going to throw up.

        • Karen

          Ah, poor thing. Shall I hold your hair back?

        • http://Don'thaveone Sally

          As usual I am with you Robert. Barffffff!! It sounds like she has the answers but to the wrong side of the isle.

        • Anthony

          Ah – and you right wing fanatical zealots just re-enforce your prejudicial attitudes and judgements. You are so blind-sided and hyprocitical that you cannot bring yourself to practice true Christianity and the teachings of Jesus. You are not followers of Jesus the Christ, you are Satanists and supporters of the anti-Christ who is among you. You have been extremely politicized and reminiscent of the Nazi party who were so anti-semietic that they killed millions of Jews. The different is you want to kill those who do not swallow your hubris and believe exactly like you. Just like the fundamentalist Muslims. May god, in his infinate mercy and grace, forgive you of you continual sins. Preaise be to the REAL God – NOT YOURS>

          • Victor

            You sound terribly harsh and judgmental making up lies as you go.

          • Greg

            Ah..Hah…Anthony is a hypocrite….Hah, Hah, Hah, Hah, Hah, Hah, Hah..Allah Akbar…You absolutely have to be a Muslim and you certainly are showing the total intolerance of that religion…

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Thank you for your prayer Anthony. I admit I need God to forgive my sins, on a daily basis. Im still a fallen broken man, and I have been hardened by the world from the things I did before I became a believer. My mind wanders sometimes, my anger gets the best of me sometimes, and then I just think and do stupid human things sometimes. Im a Christian, but Im not Jesus Christ. I mess up, and I need your prayers, and I admit I need God’s forgiveness. Yes I do. Thank you for your prayer for me. I for one appreciate it.

      • Charles

        God’s provisions:
        ..satisfaction in our labors
        ..abundance of milk and honey in the place he calls us to
        ..streams of living water, whose source is pure
        ..shelter in Him from any storm
        ..a lamp unto our feet to be a guide on on the paths He calls us to travel
        ..He endured stripes upon his back for our healing, both physical and spiritual
        ..His laws in our hearts that we not be under the law but can fulfill it
        ..wisdom, so as to not speak foolish things

        • Karen

          The think I love most about Jesus is that he really was a radical liberal.

          • http://Don'thaveone Sally

            Don’t demean God, please

          • Smilee

            Sally you are the one demeaning Christianity. Jesus was a progressive and liberal he cared deeply about humanity especially the poor and depressed. Far right wingers today belittle liberals for just that, every time they express concern for these people and treat the poor and depressed as leapers.

          • Smilee

            OOPs in case I did not express it quite clearly it is the far right wingers today who treat the poor and depressed as leapers

          • Joe H.

            All bow to the all knowing and all seeing smiley…. He portends to now know what Jesus Christ’s political views were!!! I’m quite sure he is also WRONG!!!!!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            He came with a message of a radical love that not many understood. Todays Christians are still prosecuted for this love, and it will get worse from now until the end of time. But liberal? No. Radical, yes, as His message was different from what anybody had ever heard or experience, so yes, having said that, it then had to be radical. But not liberal. Very conservative actually. From the way he dressed, to having belongings, all that, very conservative.

        • Smilee

          Joe

          My conclusions come from the words and actions of Christ, if you read them without spinning his acts and words you would know the truth. For example read Matthew Chapter 25 starting at verse 31 thru the rest of that Chapter amongst many other of his words and then tell me if he does not advocate what many liberals today often advocate, in no way does it remotely resemble the conservative far right propaganda of our day in this country who mostly preach greed and selfish behavior, I will believe the words of Christ over your words in this post which to me highly suggests it is you who are very very WRONG!

          • Joe H.

            Actually if you believe that God is Jesus is God then you can not separate the old testament from the new!!! Look at what happened to Jericho or Sodom and Gomorrah.

          • Smilee

            JOE
            I guess you are incapable of responding to my post so you go off on a tangent that has no relevance to what I said, want to enlighten us to why you do that

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Smilee, you can say what you want to say, and twist things around if you like, but Ive got to say a couple things here, that are facts about God and the things he says in the Bible, and Im sure your going to twist it around and say Im judgemental, and thats fine if you need to, but its a lie. Its Gods truth. You are saying Jesus was a liberal, and that conservatives are the opposite of Jesus, somehow mixing together this church and state thing that you so keep saying must be separate, so I have to say this. God says “For a man to lie with another man, as he would a woman, is an abomination to the Lord”. He also says “Thou shalt not commit murder”. Now having written these two verse, from the Bible, which is Gods word, I have to note that the liberals, the democratic party, embrace and promote and pay for not only killing living babies in their mothers wombs, thus committing murder, they also place gays on a pedestal and shove it down our throat that its normal, yet God says otherwise. So therefore, you cannot seriously try to make God out to be liberal. God does not believe in same sex relationships, or He wouldnt have said it is an abomination to Him, and He wouldnt have said dont murder if He didnt mean it. These are His words, not mine, so dont say Im being judgemental. God is being judgmental, these are His words and we are His creation, and I think He has the right to do so. Have a good day.

          • Smilee

            Beberoni says:
            January 25, 2010 at 4:36 pm

            Wow, you said a lot and not one word in response to my post, your went off on a tangent and responded in the typical conservative response of spin and twist, separation of powers is separating the government from the church not the individual and your post sure confuses that, As far as abortion and the gays go, liberals do not advocate either they do however believe the government should not discriminate against the gays and punish those who are involved in an abortion, where did Christ advocate that we should use the law of man to enforce his laws, he never did, Christianity and his teaching was to love one another not punish one another, abortion is not just about the fetus it includes the mother and differs a lot from case to case and as for the gays, Christ never advocated we treat them differently than others and their activities do not effect your way of life. Conservatives do not want the government involved in their lives but very much want the government involved in the lives of those they disagree with who they see as their enemies.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Whatever Smilee. I did respond to your post. You said Jesus was a liberal. I said Liberals believe in killing babies, and Jesus doesnt. I guarantee you that. He does not believe in killing innoccent babies in their mothers wombs, and He doesnt condone it. It was a direct response to your post. But you, in the true liberal fashing, spun it like I wasnt responding to your post. Unbelievable. Im done with you. Write what you want. Lie as you chose. I will not debate again with one who runs from the facts and the truth. I wash my hands of you.

      • DaveH

        Really Karen. You could have fooled me. I have seen only the side of the Liberals that shows me their goal is Absolute Power.
        If indeed you want all those good things, you maybe can explain to me how with over 60 years of a growing Nanny State, you Liberals are still crying about how bad things are. Just when do you Liberals throw in the towel and admit that your policies are wrong-headed? Do we have to become like Haiti before you wake up?
        If you really want those good things, then start reading about the benefits of economic freedom and leave the Dark Side:
        http://www.heritage.org/index/

        • DaveH

          Quit tip-toeing through the tulips and start learning about the benefits of Free Markets. Here are 3 websites that you can learn a lot from:
          Cato.org, Reason.org, and Mises.org.

        • Karen

          Pre-earthquake Haiti is definitely an example of why totalitarianism is bad, but no-one in their right mind would claim that Haiti was liberal, or that the earthquake had anything to do with their politics.

          On the other hand some of the worst damage from the earthquake came from the fact that they didn’t have the simple liberal institution of a building code.

          If you want an example of a modern country run by liberal principles, look at Sweden, not Haiti. If you want an example of a modern country run by conservative principles, look at Mexico.

          • DaveH

            Mexico is very heavily regulated. Did you look at the list I posted? Sweden is much more economically free than Mexico. Where do you get the link between Mexico and Conservative? To be Liberal is to believe Big Government is the solution. To be Conservative is to believe Free Markets are the solution.

            Sweden has recently being privatizing its state-run enterprises:
            http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/06/01/is-obama-making-america-like-sweden/

          • DaveH

            For a more in-depth treatment of Sweden:
            http://mises.org/daily/2259

          • Victor

            Listen to Dave. He has his head on straight.

          • Joe H.

            Karen,
            I find it disquieting that the only example of conservatism is Mexico!!! Where the people are so regulated and mastered they want to come here as bad as our economy is!!! Are you having a bad night or are you not versed in what a conservative is?!?!?!?!

          • eyeswideopen

            DaveH, you keep spreading a lie. Dems don’t like big government anymore than the Repubs do. If you are going to keep spewing that line, please include the last administration who grew government like there was no tomorrow. You don’t even have to look at all the bills they passed. Medicare Advantage was passed to the tune of 800 billion with no, repeat no funding. Isn’t that growing government? Find two Republicans who will agree to cut military spending and I will send you flowers. I bet you like the new ruling allowing the corporations to purchase our politicians? How will it feel when foreign corporations are controlling our country?

          • Smilee

            Eyes

            You are right Dems do not necessarily want big government they advocate good government that works and works efficiently and all the republicans today want to do is destroy government and do so by refusing to contribute to the solution of are currant problems and that is what DaveH is all about destroying the government and even though he does not specifically say so his positions would bring anarchy or a society without rules and laws albeit I am sure he will deny it but then he has convinced me he is it total denial about most everything positive.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Uh, Karen, Mexico is about as liberal as it gets.

        • EltonJ

          “Do we have to become like Haiti before you wake up?”

          In all Propability . . . Yes. If I remember correctly, the United States of America was set up to be a Republic for a reason — to bring to pass the Kingdom of God on Earth. The U.S.A. was designed to be a Republic after the order of the Republic of Rome so that it can be a homeland for Christians (and everyone else).

          America is a homeland for Christians, just like Israel is a homeland for Jews. And quite simply, if you get past all the rhetoric said of Christianity — a Christian is simply someone who believes Jesus Christ is our Savior for our sins and he was resurrected.

          Christianity itself is complex, however: there are many Churches that claim to be Christian. But quite simply, anyone who truely believes that Jesus Christ is their Savior is a Christian. Brit Hume did no wrong, he just suggested that Tiger aught to try Christianity.

        • Anthony

          The right has not stopped crying since the last election. Their Republicans reign of absolute powers has given us much:

          Two illegal invasions and “wars” algainst foreign nations that are unwinable (read history) and are taking an estimated $10 billion out of our country’s coffers each month;

          An unregulated Wall Stret and banking system (revleaved of most regulations by the Bush/Cheney disaster);

          Lower taxes to the rich who put the money into their pocket, not back into the economy;

          un-regulated oil interests who boast of record profits while the working class suffers their price gouging;

          outrageous increases in the cost of health/medical care and insurance premiums;

          outrageous increases in the cost of pharmicutical and proposed legislation to outlaw the imortation and purchase of medications from outside the United States (restriction of free trade and commerce);

          the insulting of our foreign allies (with the exception of the intimidation of the United Kingdom) and totally sullying of our reputation and good will;

          unlawful detainment of foreign citizens against the Geneva Convention and the illegal torture of these “prisoners” and violation of U.S Federal laws (if you don’t think waerboarding is torture, I invited you to enjoy such treatment next Sunday – after you attend your church services of choice);

          violations of the U.S., Constitution which you hold so sacred by illegal wire-taping (without a court warrant), searching of private and personal papers, restriction of freedom of speach;

          violation of the Presidential Oath of Office to defend, protect, and uphold the Constitution of the United States of America;

          Bush’s institution of the largest private corporate bailout in history, rammed through one month before the Presidential election of November, 2008;

          etc, etc, etc.

          Just read history. Look at the independant charts showing how Bush triple our national debt in his term (following Ronald Reagan’s standards of “borrowing and spend.”)

          But, as y0our demi-gods on Fox News so eloquantly say, “We’ll have to leave it there.”

          • Arkham Grundy

            Well said, Anthony.

          • Curtis S

            Anthony there is a very good journalistic reason for Faux-TV stopping commentary with “We’ll have to leave it there.” You see Anthony, when they read all of the daily “talking points” they can’t go any farther. When you mindlessly repeat talking points you aren’t able to really discuss anything intelligently or fairly or in a balanced way so you “… have to leave it there”. Disseminating propaganda follows very strict rules.

          • DaveH

            I agree we shouldn’t be the world’s policemen.

            Wall Street and the Banking system are anything but unregulated:
            http://reason.org/news/show/the-myth-of-financial-deregula

            The richest 1% of American taxpayers (those earning above $389,000) earned 22% of the nation’s reported income. But their share of the nation’s income taxes was 40%. That’s fair?

            Price gouging for oil? I assume you really mean gasoline. We pay more per gallon for many liquid refreshments then we do for our gasoline. They have to explore for the oil, drill for it, transport it to refineries, refine it, and then transport it to the gas stations. And still they charge less than many people pay for flavored sugar water (soda pop). Without the Oil Companies we would still be driving around in horse and buggies.

          • DaveH

            Outrageous increases in the price of HealthCare? Sure, because Government meddles heavily in the HealthCare business. So, we should throw even more Government at the problem? Here is a real HealthCare solution:
            http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=279

            And in case you didn’t know, in order to keep Big Pharma on his side for the HealthCare Bill, Obama has been promising to keep it illegal to import prescription drugs from other countries that were produced here.

            “insulting of our foreign allies”. Anything anybody does insults one faction or another. That’s life. Get used to it. Obama and crew regularly insult the Tea Party protestors.

            I don’t like the Patriot Act, but guess what? Only 1 of the Democrat senators voted against it. Only a small percentage of the House Democrats voted against it.
            And I would rather have somebody snooping on my phone conversations than to have your thieving Democrats stealing my money.

          • DaveH

            As far as Bailouts go, the Democrats have been in control of Congress since 2007.
            The TARP bailouts were signed by Obama.
            And Obama is still going for more:
            http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aWUuM3Gxs5Ns

            On National Debt: The National Debt increased about 4.5 Trillion Dollars in the eight years under Bush.
            Obama has been in office for only one year and it has already grown by 3.0 Trillion Dollars.

            If you’re going to write a book Anthony, get your facts straight.

          • eyeswideopen

            Anthony, hands clapping for your response.

          • Greg

            Even Obama said “God Bless” at the end of his meeting in Ohio yesterday…Leftists protest his word!!!! He’s cow towing to the religious right…He’s forsaking you….To all you Christian haters on here: Who would you hire to work for you if you had a choice. A clean-cut Baptist, or a tatooed long haired leather wearing Hippie??
            Oh , I forgot…Liberals don’t work…They may be professors or something…Feeling offended now..Unloved…Generalized…Welcome to the club us Christians have to live with every day!! OH and to the rich haters: I’ve never seen a poor person sign a paycheck!!!

          • Curtis S

            DaveH… When one person out of 100, “earns” 22% of the wealth then yes, it’s fair that s/he pays income taxes of 40%. Remember, they have more to lose and therefore they should be willing to pay more to protect their wealth. Without the oil companies we’d still driving around in horse and buggies? Maybe without the oil companies we’d be driving around in electric cars or some other form of alternate energy.
            As for Wall Street, HealthCare, BigPharma… it’s all a mess. Is it possible to wipe the slate clean and start-over. How do you get rid of decades, century’s worth of piece-meal legislation and just make a fresh start? How do you trim government of all the layers of needless bureaucracy? Can you rewrite the contribution rules so HealthCare, BigPharma and Corporations aren’t more important than the people with ballots?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Lost child. Obama has tripled the debt in his first 8 months. Dont try to blame that on Bush.

          • eyeswideopen

            Anthony, whoopee!!! Well said.

        • Smilee

          Garbage in Garbage out, keeping reading all that garbage and you will remain in darkness, you are so out of touch with the real world

      • Clem

        The right supports these objectives, too.
        Maybe you think that they don’t. The right doesn’t agree with the left’s methods to achieve these objectives.

        • Karen

          I think the average, middle class lefty and average, middle class righty, are more alike in their dreams, goals, and desires than most would want to admit.

          • Ken

            They just differ as to who should pay the bill.

          • Joe H.

            Karen,
            Wrong!!!!! I am a middle class American who does not agree with your core values at all. I earn my money why should I give it to somebody who is able to work and doesn’t??? Why should I give my money to anybody except those that are handicapped to the point that they CAN’T work??? I would almost take that to the point of saying born that way!!!
            Can’t get a college education? Join the service and earn one!!! Want to start a business? Good take out a loan or save nickles till you can afford it!!! That’s how I did it, Army 1968 to 1974 and got my college on the G.I. bill, all earned!!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Joe, join the service and get one? Who in the heck do you think pays for that? Taxpayers that’s who. We fund the military and all their programs. DaveH needs to put a whopping on you.,never forget who pays for it, is the American taxpayer. It is a benefit we give to the veterans, it is not a right. No wonder you righties are messed up, you don’t even know who pays for your benefits. Yes, that is a socialist program that you benefited from. LMAO

          • Joe H.

            Eyes,
            yup it is!!! and it’s allowed in the constitution!! The GI bill was enacted to attract a more educated serviceman to the service! To maintain the Military!! As Stated in the constitution!!! The same as it says the right to bear arms shall not be abridged!!! Or trampled as you liberals would have them do!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Joe, the Constitution has nothing to do with the GI Bill. It was enacted after the war as service men were coming home and the women had taken over the factories while they were gone for the war effort. It was a benefit, a social program to help the returning GI’s further their education and obtain management jobs. Yes, a social program which is paid for by the taxpayers.

        • Anthony

          And as usual, the leaders on both sides tend to f**k everything up for the benefit of the lobyists and the favored big corporations whose only desire is more money and more power, no matter what the cost to the average middle-class citizens.

          • DaveH

            That’s Crony Capitalism. If you don’t like it Anthony (I don’t) then seek politicians that want to shrink the size of Government. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans dislike Crony Capitalism.
            As Government Grows Corruption Flows.
            We need to get Government out of the MarketPlace.

            The only party I know that advocates Individual Freedom (you can smoke that joint), Individual Responsibility (you have to pay for any damages you cause), Free Markets, and Limited Government is the Libertarian Party:
            http://libertarianparty.org/platform

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            You have got to quit using that phrase “individual responsibility” or you are never going to sway a true liberal!!! that’s one thing they don’t believe in!!!!

      • Ken

        I agree that the opportunity for all of that is wonderful. Some people just feel that they have the right to hire a representative (government) to force others to pay for it rather than work, save, etc….(freedom).

      • Harold Olsen

        I suppose that’s why the left spews out hatred and vitriol at people who disagrees with them? I saw a nice montage of video on O’Reilly last night of left wing media spewing their vitriol over Brown’s win in Massachusetts. And they were spewing it at each other.

        • Anthony

          I recomend you tune into Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, and any Fox News or CNN program where you will hear the right spew forth gross lies and distortions, name calling, fear and profane hatred of the left (like Rush proclaiming President Obama to not only be a Nazi, but a Communist as well – which shows his knowledge of history as Hilter dispised Marx [read "Mein Kampf"]). YOu will also notice that anytime someone has a bit different comment, they are interupted with shouting (or a hang up in Rush’s game).

          • Arkham Grundy

            Rush, Hannity, O’Brienare, and Fox Noise in general narrow minded, intolerant, self aggrandizing manipulators of truth to appeal to their audiences and have nothing to do with real journalism any more than the left wing pundits.

          • Smilee

            THEY SPEW THESE LIES OUT ALL DAY LONG REPEATING THEM OVER AND OVER AND THEY ARE EXTREMELY SIMILAR IN THEIR CONTENTS FROM ONE SHOW TO ANOTHER. THEY SOUNDING LIKE SECULAR PREACHERS FIRMLY IN THE BELIEF OF THE GOSPEL OF LUFICER

          • Joe H.

            How about you three state some quotes and back them up with FACTS??? Especially you last two!! You have been spouting crap all night without one fact by either of you!!! Start proving what you say!!!!

          • Smilee

            Joe

            All you have to do is listen to these shows and you would not needs facts as they their lies are self evident and plentiful to those capable of thinking for yourself which it sure appears that you are incapable judging from all your posts here

        • Joe H.

          Smilee,
          again you post but again you post no facts are you allergic to facts? Does the very thought of them make you itch?? How do you explain your avoidance of them???

          • Smilee

            Joe

            We both know facts would not stop you from spinning them to mean something other that what the facts reveal, you are incapable of rational judgment on your own and you refute the truth when it is laid in your lap making it into something it is not, if you cannot listen to the far right talk show folks and discern for yourself their lies and spin then you are incapable of understanding the facts and the truth has no meaning for you. So I will pass on such a simple response from you

      • Athrillofhope

        To Karen’s comment that “The left doesn’t hate you …”

        The difference between the LEFT and “conservatism” is NOT that conservatives do not want everyone to have these things enumerated, but rather, that the LEFT wants to be GOD and the SOURCE for all of these things.

        Conservatives believe, as stated in the “Declaration of Independence,” that rights come from the Creator, and not any “King of England,” or other governmental body. The socialist left wants to BE GOD and thereby dictate what our rights are (like the fascist King of England did), who can live (abortion, infanticide, mercy-killing, etc …), and who can have private property, medical care, on and on …

        We want to be left alone, basically. We can take care of ourselves, and everything is not a “right” that entitles the government to own our paychecks in order to be “generous” with someone else’s money.

        • Anthony

          Wonderful! Let’s dissolve the U.S. Constitution and the Bills of Rights, void all laws and regulations, disolve all treaties, eleminate the military, police, and fire departments, shut down the national treasury, invalidate all currency and money, and completely shut down the government leaving all peopoe to fend for themselves in a world of free enterprise – where the strong will murder the weak. Hmmm……sound like perfect anarchy to me!!!

          • DaveH

            Anarchy? Why is it that Liberals always want to proclaim Anarchy whenever anybody says the Government is too damn Big?
            You think less Government leads to Chaos. I think too much Government leads to Chaos. One size does not fit all. Take education as an example. If Government would butt out, the Liberals could have their kids attend non-religious schools, and the Religious people could have their kids attend religious schools. Then both sides would be happy and we wouldn’t have all this animosity. Of course, there would be many other choices, but hopefully you get my drift.

            And much of what Government does could be done more efficiently in the private sector. Every worker that goes into government is one less worker producing goods and services. Government workers not only typically don’t produce anything, but they also actively hamper those who are trying to produce things. I consider that to be negative productivity.

            And sure, if we get Government out of our personal choices and the Marketplace, people are going to murder each other. Where do you get that crap?
            I could say that the Socialists want to murder those of us who aren’t and I’d have a lot more standing, as History has shown that the biggest purges have been at the hands of Socialists.

          • Victor

            Anthony. Dave is right again. Just face it. He got his head on straight where as yours is about to fall off.

          • Joe H.

            Anthony,
            Let’s take DaveH statement a little farther on education!!! We were once the highest rated country in education in the world!!! Now we are about what 15? Been going down ever since the government thought the answer was throwing more money after bad!!! Take Cleveland Ohio public schools, they throw more money per student than any other school in northeast Ohio and they have the lowest graduation rate in the area and the Third loest in the state!!!! throwing more and more money at the problem and hoping it rights itself isn’t going to work as proven time and time again across the nation!!! getting better teachers and better attention to the pupils that don’t want to work in school will! When a kindergarten turns a tv on all morning to baby sit the kids she should be fired at the first time, not have the union keep her job for her!!! She is worthless and should be gone!!!!

          • DaveH

            Heaven Forbid Anthony, if we got back to Constitutionally Limited Government, you would have to wipe your own. Without the Nanny-State Government meddling with every aspect of our personal lives you would have to think for yourself. The Government would exist only to protect us from the force of others both inside and outside of the country. They would no longer be the “forcers” that you Liberals crave. Voluntary contracts would reign, unlike the current environment where the Government makes many of our personal decisions whether we like it or not.

            But don’t worry; even you Liberals would be able to find work because entrepreneurs would thrive without constant Government meddling in their business. And Big Corporations would actually have to compete, because they wouldn’t have Big Government to protect them. Also, most of the negatively productive Government employees would be doing real work, producing real things and services that real people want. The economy would boom.

      • George

        Karen,

        Most people want those same things. The differences start coming when you ask “how should those things be accomplished/acquired?”

      • Misheaud

        Karen,
        The left has different ideas,
        I dont want a government job killing unborn babies.
        I dont want water forced onto me filled with flouride.
        I dont want irradiated food, and I dont want a government official coming to my place to check if my chickens are microchipped.
        I don’t want to depend on government transportation, I have traveled in Russia, the filth, the delays, the fear of robbery, or rape if you are a woman, Russia is a purely leftist phenomenon Karen, if you like it please go there!
        I dont want the leftist government offering money to pimps running child prostitutes in buildings that are brothels, not homes with my tax money.
        I dont want the left getting involved with our Volunteer Fire departments that opperates apart from government in most cases.
        I dont want a police force educated to enforce the leftist agenda, the Brownshirts showing up at pro life protests to imprison those who defend the most innocent.
        You sound as if you believe Heaven is found in a leftist agenda… I feel bad for the headache you are gona have when you WAKE UP!

        • Karen

          Russia isn’t leftist. Russia is currently pretty close to a free market capitalist society, e.g., if you have something to buy or sell, you can do so with very little government interference. That is actually why it has so many of the problems you list. If you mean the defunct USSR, that stopped being leftist when Stalin took over and turned it into a totalitarian dictatorship.

          As for the “government job killing babies”, and “government sponsored prostitution” rubbish, where do you get this stuff?

        • Anthony

          Ah – a victum of the right-wing fascists brain washing (lessons from Hilter’s take over of Germany? Read history and stop listening to the lies of Rush and Glenn).

          • DaveH

            Have you read any history? Do you think Hitler advocated Freedom? Did Stalin advocate Freedom?
            I see your comrades in the Government trying to ram Government Run HealthCare down our unwilling throats. I see them trying to ram Cap and Trade down our unwilling throats in the name of the Global Warming Hoax. I see them spending more and more of mine and my children’s money on their vote-buying schemes.
            I don’t need to know anything about Hitler or Stalin to know that what Democrats are trying to force on us is no good.

          • DaveH

            And we should stop listening to the lies of Rush and Glenn why? So we instead can listen to your lies?
            By the way, tell me some of the lies that Glenn has told.

            I know I’ve seen plenty come out of Obama’s mouth, both before the election and after. Like the lie of transparency. I’ve never before seen so many backroom dealings as these Democrats have undertaken.

            Obama and his gang have taken Cronyism to a whole new level.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Funny thing about this is Anthony, as much hate as you continually spew at Rush, Glenn and Sean, its seems in all the years Ive listened to them, Ive yet to catch them in a lie. Maybe thats why you dont like them, because you cant stand when the truth gets in the way of your left wing liberal agenda. Is that it? Im just curious, because I dont know how someone can be so angry all the time. Everyone of your posts has been attacks or name calling or hatred. Im pretty good at figuring out people, but your a mystery. I dont know what makes you tick. Do you work? Are you living on the backs of others? What is it you want out of life? Rule # 1, love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your mind, and rule # 2, love your neighbor as yourself. Do you practice these things? If you will try them, you will have peace in your life.

      • David

        Why Karen that was so sweet but you forgot a few things about liberals:

        1. they hate the private industrial sector (which yields the best paying white/blue collar jobs)
        2. they want to take from those who have done well and give to those who could never escape the grasp of the welfare subsidy system which was created by progressives.
        3. Take away the right to bear arms…so when you do decide to enforce rule; it will be much easier with less losses of liberals.

        That’s just the tip of the iceberg but hopefully you get my drift.

        • Arkham Grundy

          nonsense

          • Smilee

            David is so so out of touch with the real world and is totally ignorant of what liberals are or believe he just spews out the far right propaganda definition of liberals and we all know how the propaganda writers deceive, not sure which is the most destructive the propaganda makers or the propaganda believers.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            No, actually, all Dave said is 100 percent true, if you care about the truth. its all there.

        • DaveH

          One thing is for sure – Liberals believe in forcing their way on others using the Big Government as their Bully Boys.

          • Curtis S

            One thing is for sure – the religious right believe in forcing their way on others using God and Jesus as their Bully Boys.

            Hey, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

          • eyeswideopen

            Well the bully Republicans took our privacy away with the Patriot Act and not a peep was heard from the gun toating crowd, why was that? Or don’t you all recognize it when the Repubs do it? lol. Blind eye ugh?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          And they want to keep taking more from me, so those 25 year olds can continue to sit on their porches, drinking 40′s and smoking cigarettes and dope all day, because they dont need to work, since the government is taking care of everything for them. Democrats at work.

      • Mike

        To Karen,
        Oh, the left wants us to have all those things, eh? Well, what’s the cultural and religious heritage of the country where all those things are ( or, “have been” ) part of the landscape? Are/were those things commonplace in Soviet Russia, China, Viet Nam, Iran, Iraq, Haiti, Cuba, Cambodia, Afganistan, Somalia, Congo or myriad other places you might focus? All those “liberated” people “freed” by religious or philosophical demagogic systems flock here because they love it there…right? Why do you think Muslim nations are just sand pits? Or, no Soviet system ever made a 5 Year Plan work? God won’t prosper those who despise Him.

        “Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord” is as true today as ever. If we desert Him it will all go away. Are you listening Christians? Don’t you see what Barak is doing?

      • Anthony

        Kudos to you, Karen. Those on the right and relgious zealots are so filled with hate and prejudice aimed at those who do not follow them. May we all remember the lessons of history and the rites of extreme conservatism and bigotry. Those who practice repudiation cannot be followers of the true God and the true Christ.

        • DaveH

          Sorry,
          But I have seen many more personal attacks performed by Liberals against Conservatives than visa-versa. We can see by the Liberal comments on this board just how disrespectful Liberals are to anybody who doesn’t agree with them. And we can see by Liberals callous claims on other peoples’ money that they have little morality.

        • Joe H.

          Anthony,
          No I feel nothing but sorrow for you and Karen!!! I feel sorrow that you won’t be able to feel the rapture that ALL who truly believe in the father,Son and The Holy Spirit will feel!!!

          • Smilee

            Joe H

            How is it you feel you have the ability to know who will be taken up in the rapture, I do not know but would not be all that surprised to see Karen and Anthony there and you left behind, beware the far right wing propaganda it can deceive you as Christianity does not support it.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Karen may go, because she has said things that I feel she is a believer. Anthony right now, definately is not. For Smilee, you ask how does Joe know. Its really pretty simple. If you believe, your going, if you dont, your not. For awhile I was convince you were on board, but something tells me that if your not willing to put God first in all things, then you cannot possible be a believer. Mans things cannot come before Him Smilee, not in a believers heart. Its impossible my friend. Come, please, get on board.

          • Joe H.

            smilee,
            I know this because it is what my Lord has told me in his teachings! He says that none will see the Father except by the Son!!!! I don’t need physical proof, He is all I need!!! Too bad you can’t feel that!!! You never will until you invite him freely into your heart without reservation!!!

          • Smilee

            Beberoni and Joe

            Neither of you have the ability to judge anyone, so neither of you know but never the less you judge judge judge, beware he who judges as God reserves this on to himself and gave none of us that ability and both of you are playing God here and god you certainly are not, phonies

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Lets get this straight right here and now Anthony. Im on the right. Your on the left. You cant stand me, you dont like me, you lambast me, you say Im not entitled to my opinion. I go home at night and pray for you that your life will be better, so you dont have to feel this hatred towards me. If that makes me on the right bad, then so be it. Have a good day man.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Those that I grew up with here are that way Karen, Ill give you that, but those who are controlling their party, are as guilty of hijacking it as are the islamic extremist who are blamed for hijacking the muslim religion. Its the same thing, where the leadership has gone off on a tangent, contrary to the peoples ideas. Do you know who George Soros is Karen? Look into him. He owns the top ranking democrats, and they owe him a lot of favors, I mean a lot of them. And by the way, in case you didnt know, this guy Soros is as anti American as they come. And the democrat leaders are in bed with him. That tells me a lot.

        • Karen

          Look, I’ll be honest with you on this point. It breaks my heart that politicians can be bought and sold. When Obama was elected based on mostly grass roots funding, I was thrilled! But then I started thinking about how he could get re-elected. Would the same grass roots effort work for a sitting president? No, not really. I can’t see how. Would he have to start bowing down to the big money interests to get re-electied? Probably, unless he decided that some things were more important than re-election. To my great disappointment, he appears to have decided that it is better to sell out, than to be a meaningful one term president.

          You folks should be furious at yesterdays supreme court decision. Yesterday, five activist judges decided that as long as Soros hides behind a corporate entity, he can spend as much money as he wants destroying candidates that don’t agree with him, and promoting candidates that do. Viva la corporation! Blah.

          • DaveH

            Grass roots funding? How would you know that? He never released his full list of campaign donors. He purposely didn’t accept funding from the FEC (which he had earlier told McCain he would accept) so that he wouldn’t be under the Campaign Finance Rules (disclosure, limits, etc.). He accumulated more campaign funds then any other President in history, and you think that came from his Liberal masses who are always clammoring for other peoples’ money? Get Real.
            http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/elections/campaigning/news.php?q=1224902275

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            That is exactly why I dont hold too much stock in the Supreme Court. These guys are supposed to hear cases and decide on them, but it seems that they now believe they are to establish and write laws, and thats not what they are supposed to do. Its a dangerous liason, and if it gets too heavy handed to the left, these guys with the right money backing, can and will destroy us from within. I mean come one, I look around me and I just dont see Lawyers as being the up and above members of society. Most of them are scumbags, and money is their god. This much I am sure of. Good post Karen.

      • eyeswideopen

        Karen, you must not act like a loving caring human being. The right thinks all Liberals are horned, foaming at the mouth barbarians. They don’t think that there are any Christian Democrats (guess they don’t think the Dems are Catholic) they believe that only the Southern Baptists, Conservative right wingers are Christians. But you made an excellent attempt of letting them know that Jesus loves regardless of party affiliation. He won’t be asking are you a Repub or Dem, he may be asking did you pass judgement upon your brother? Bless you Karen.

        • Smilee

          Karen can’t help it as she is just what she says she is,, A great person in my opinion and you too

          • DaveH

            Great people don’t advocate stealing their neighbor’s money and forcing their neighbors to do things they don’t want to do.

          • Smilee

            DaveH

            The Constitutional right of the Congress to levy taxes is not stealing despite you waning us to believe your BS about it. Paying my taxes makes it a lot less painful knowing how much taxes pains you.

          • George

            Smilee,

            Congress does have the right to levy income taxes. That’s been decided, even though there are many who believe the Supreme Court decided wrongly. Nevertheless, that’s the law. However, the amount of taxes is decided by the Congress we elect to office. This gives us an opportunity to say something about how much taxes we pay. Many of us think the government is too large and engaged in too many activities which it should not. Therefore, we aren’t willing to pay taxes without protest to support spending on programs that we think are wasteful and non-productive. That’s our right within the law.

          • eyeswideopen

            DaveH, listen, not all Democrats are like your ex-wife, who you stated stole your money. It appears she stole more than that. You are using her actions to generalize about an entire group of people. Using your thinking, our poor military probably felt like they were abandon and of the lowest on earth, when a Republican cut taxes and we had no money to provide them with body amour and vehicles that had protection. So, shall we consider all Republicans to be murders as they caused our own troops to die by cutting taxes during war time? Taxes have been paid since the inception of this country, authorized by the Constitution and compared to other countries we don’t pay that much. However, everytime we have been at war we have raised taxes to pay for it,,,,,,except this time, sad that it was also two wars, which made it even worse. Do you not believe in giving our soldiers the best in equipment to fight wars? Hate to tell you, but the Dems also pay taxes.

          • George

            Eyes,

            Good post. Thanks for the thoughtful comments and questions.

            If I could just say in partial response to your post, some of us see so much wasteful spending and corruption coming out of Washington, at a time when we’re trying to keep our jobs and make ends meet. We just don’t want to pay more taxes to fund anything that’s not absolutely necessary. And really, don’t you think the economy has a greater chance of recovery if the government isn’t raising taxes right now?

        • Joe H.

          eyes,
          I see you are just as “transparent” as your “friend” denniso!!! Even as I’ve noticed tonight, to make some of the same spelling mistakes!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Joe, you are something else. LMAO…. I have always been a lousy speller, didn’t get Phonics when I was in school. Military bratt, moved 4 times in 3 yrs. I carry a hand held device called a Franklin/Meerriam Websters Intermediate Dictionary, in my purse. What are you alluding too? Are you saying all Republicans who changed to Independent are lousy spellers?

          • Joe H.

            I see you’re kinda’ slow on the up take too!!! you sound just like denniso your mentor. Or is it alter ego????

        • michele

          Actually, I think that they don’t think Catholics are Christians.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Some are, some arent. Having grown up as one of two protestants out of all the guys I grew up with, I am very comforatable in saying exactly that, that some are, and some arent. There is a difference.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          As you see by my post in reply to Karen, that her and I are adults and can have a responsible adult conversation. I suggest that Smilee and yourself put away your agenda long enough to learn to get along with people that might think differently from you. You cant be right all the time, and neither can I, ok? Can we just get over that?

          • Smilee

            Beberoni says:
            January 25, 2010 at 4:36 pm

            You would be well advised to follow your own advise and you are an expert at spin and twist and again you do that

      • Michele

        So true!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree with your list here Karen, those are things that government, no matter which side, should be taking care of. The problem I have with the left, and this is coming from someone who was raised a democrat and left them 11 years ago when I was 40. The problem is, they enlarge government so much everytime they are in power. They create social program after social program, and reward so many people with free handouts that just refuse to work. The first thing Obama did was to expand welfare, expand food stamps and extend unemployment. I work, I pay for this. Ive never received a cent from this government, and I dont want no stinking hand outs from them. Ive been in between jobs. The first 4 places I worked as an adult all closed from anywhere between 1 year in and 8 years in. Sometimes I worked two jobs until I rose enough at where I worked where I could drop one of those jobs. Im not college educated, and If I can do it, anyone can do it. If they want to. Giving these handouts keeps people down and dependant on the government, and that is not a good thing. I also hate that they spend my tax dollars on abortions, murdering innocent babies. Im sorry, its wrong. Now this president, one of the first things he did, was to start using our dollars to pay for abortions overseas. Wrong, wrong, wrong. And you know as well as I , that when the US is paying and these foreign doctors know it, the bill is at least 3 times as high as it should be. I have a problem with the left kicking God out of school, out of government, and pretty much anywhere else. I mean, put it this way. When the ACLU and George Soros are very, very close friends with the democratic party, you can bet I want nothing to do with them, and frankly neither should any America loving american, and these two are the most un American organization and person I have ever seen.

        • Smilee

          Beberoni says:

          I was raised in a republican home and was active in the republican party until my early fifties when the far right radicals started taking it over and then I left the party and became an independent until 2004 when I felt that Bush had become real bad for the country and then joined the democrats and to my surprise I found out they do not believe anything that I had believed about them up until that point or had been told by the right wingers and it was then I realized how simple minded a group the right wingers are. I was in my sixties by this time, I know I was late in coming to my senses but better late than never

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Just to let you all know what a LIAR, and I do mean a HUGE LIAR Smilee is, I didnt write or say any of those things on his posts that say “Beberoni says”. He wrote them, LIE after LIE after LIE, everyword of it. I never wrote or said anything like that. I was a born democrat until I was 40, then I accepted Jesus Christ and became a Christian and my eyes and ears were opened, and I joined the Republican party at that point. That crap Smilee wrote is just that, crap, because fact is folks, as you with any brains at all allready know, Smilee is a lying left wing liberal from Minnesota that actually voted for Al Franken. Facts folks. Smilee is a liar. I said I was done debating with him a few posts back, but I couldnt let this lie he wrote stand. He is making this up, so be aware of what a pathetic liar you are dealing with.

      • Pep

        Karen, would the LEFT like for people to have a paying job ?

  • T. Stamps

    I think what Brit said was great. It lets the world know that we believe in God and Jesus Christ as our savior and the Savior of the world. Keep up the good work BRIT. Thomas E. Stamps

    • Charles

      What we have here is a separating of the sheep from the goats

    • Arkham Grundy

      Brit had the right to say what he did as long as is was clear that it was delivered as opinion.. The issue, however was his mouthing off about Buddhism, a religion he clearly does not understand.

      There is no history of a violent Buddhist crusade, no Buddhist inquisitions, and no proselytizations by the sword.

      Also remember that Thomas Jefferson’s proudest achievement was separation of church and state.

      • Joe H.

        Check into the takeover of China by the chi coms then tell me how peaceful those Monks were!!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Uh, you might want to research that statement a little further my friend. There has been, and still is a lot of bloodshed going down.

    • Anthony

      Brit is an arrogant hypocritical ass and should stick to reporting the news and not giving his personal opinions and judegment of others.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Well well, now who just gave their personal opinion of Brit Hume, and who just laid their judgement upon Brit Hume? So you can do it, but he cant. You are a hypocrite Mr. Democrat.

  • Ann

    I am thankful that we have people in the media who are willing to stand up for Christianity. People like Keith Olbermann and David Shuster are the reason that I no longer watch MSNBC. I totally agree with Roy’s comments regarding the Constitution. The likes of the liberals,the ACLU and other extremists are rapidly destroying our country. Jon Stewart and others like him can continue to make fun of
    Christianity. I know that they will have their day of Judgement before Jesus Christ. I pray for all of them that they will come to their senses before it is too late.

    • Anthony

      There’s not much of our country left to destroy after the works of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney and their Republican consipracy.

      • Arkham Grundy

        Anthony is right. Right wing whiners do nothing but impede progress. If Obama said that the sky is blue they would declare that it is purple and threaten a filibuster about it.

        They should get of their holier than thou high horses and do something that helps overcome the legacy of that dullardly incompetent GW Bush and the creature of Halliburton, DICK Cheney.

        Now we have to listen to his daughter ponificate.

        • Smilee

          AMEN!!!

        • DaveH

          Right wing whiners? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. All I hear on TV is the Liberals whining about their healthcare rights, or how Big Business is stepping on them, or how the sky is falling (Global Warming).
          The Liberals want the same things that Conservatives want, but they want to buy them with other peoples’ money.
          The Democrat Party is the Party of Forcers and Thieves.

          • Smilee

            You must be the most greedy and selfish person on this site and I suspect that is why you are so angry at Liberals and your government and want to destroy both

          • George

            Smilee,

            Dave is nothing like that. You should read more of his posts. He is definitely for free markets and smaller government, but doesn’t make him greedy, etc. Calling people names doesn’t inspire open and honest dialogue……

          • Smilee

            #
            Smilee says:
            January 24, 2010 at 3:58 pm

            You must be the most greedy and selfish person on this site and I suspect that is why you are so angry at Liberals and your government and want to destroy both
            #
            George says:
            January 24, 2010 at 4:23 pm

            Smilee,

            Dave is nothing like that. You should read more of his posts. He is definitely for free markets and smaller government, but doesn’t make him greedy, etc. Calling people names doesn’t inspire open and honest dialogue……

            I have read his posts for a long time as he is on here all day long every day and the more I read the more I stand by my post and your response does not address my post and I did not call him name as you say reread my post I merely voiced my opinion of him and I stand by that as well. It is you by spinning my post who impedes open and honest dialog. I personally do not believe DaveH is an individual, can one person spend so much time on here and continuously include other sites as references, when does he have time to do all that on his own and his sites are always one sided and never balanced. I think his handle represents a group with an agenda as a means of spreading propaganda. JUST MY OPINION!! please do not spin it!!

          • George

            Smilee,

            It was not my intention to spin your post. Your words will stand for themselves. I was just trying to help out.

            I can’t answer for DaveH, either, but I have found his posts to be intelligent, pretty well researched, generally respectful, and always Libertarian. Even though you may disagree with his views, he can be a pretty good source for getting the Libertarian view on most subjects, if that’s what you want, or if you want to test your views against the Libertarian view. If all you want to do is argue with him, you’ll probably just get frustrated. There are at least two ways of looking at most issues. Just be sure you articulate your view well so others can get the benefit of them as well. Take care.

          • Smilee

            George

            Sorry I have read DaveH for a long time and have come to the conclusion that he is not all that intelligent, is not very well researched except in one area and therefore lacks an open and honest mind to others points of view, and many times not very respectful of opinions of others unless he shares their opinion although that is not the case in his post here. I over time have come to believe he is a very angry man and he has given insight into that at times, I have also come to believe he is a very greedy and selfish man who cares little if at all for the welfare or well being of others and as I said I am not convinced he is an individual and not a organization dedicated to an agenda that I feel is very destructive to our country or if an individual also destructive, a person who hates good and bad government in other words he simply despises government period. I am not frustrated by the same token I do feel free to express my heartfelt and honest opinions and except in a very few cases have I agreed with him I but not sure he has ever agreed with me. Is this articulate enough for you. I have not found dialog with DaveH very informational or helpful on any issue I have engaged him in, he rarely responds to my point of view and rather trys his best to distort it or ignores it.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I LOVE BUSH, I LOVE CHENEY, AND I REALLY LOVE HALIBURTON. GOD BLESS AMERICA. And John Kerry and Al Gore are the king of whiners, just so you know the truth.

      • Michele

        True!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And all these liberal stations still cant figure out why their numbers are dwindling down everyday after day, and why Fox keeps going up and up. Just might be something called the truth involved there.

  • Pat

    I’m sorry! I commented in reply to “Michael J” and “Robert” – certainly NOT to “C Smith”!!!!!!!!

  • http://ppcflint.org David

    Mr. Hume did what all Christians are supposed to do, he offered the love of Jesus to someone who has not felt that love. Tiger Woods needs to be forgiven for his sins for his own good. This is not about the press, media or the God haters in our society. They are still free to spew their venom and wallow in their sin. This is about a man who is hurting and lost and has a soul that is worth saving.
    The anti-God people are only trying to bolster their ratings. They care nothing about religion or Mr. Woods’ needs or rights, only about their ratings. I have never met Mr. Hume, I wouldn’t know him from Admas house cat, but I am proud of my brother in Christ and I don’t care who knows is.

    • Joy Powell

      Amen!

      • Smilee

        Didn’t look like Love to me, love is not arrrogant

        • Joe H.

          Smilee,
          Darn, you should go down in history!! Here man has been trying to determine what love is and isn’t and you have made it simple!! Love isn’t arrogant!! then why is a newly man so arrogant as to think he is the only one that can love his new wife as he does? why is he so arrogant as to think that they will be married for life??? Why are you so arrogant to say what love is or isn’t????

          • Smilee

            You apparently have no idea what love is, again you demonstrate your inability to respond in an intelligent manner and make no sense at all, do you believe love is arrogance. Brit was arrogant. his expression did not look like an act of love to me.

          • Joe H.

            Smilee,
            yeah, you’re probably right I don’t know what I’m talking about I’ve only been married for 33 years to the same woman and if I’m respectful and loving to her I will be married another 33, if I live that long!!!

          • Claire

            JoeH–I hope you and your wife have many many more years together. It is something to be proud of—being married and together for so many years. My husband and I hit 50 years on December 20th. It doesn’t seem possible! The years went quickly. And now look at all the divorces.

          • Claire

            But then again, sometimes things just cannot work out. It depends upon the situation. In some cases there is no choice but to separate. God bless everybody!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Joe, you have to excuse Smilee. He lives in Minnesota and he voted for Al Franken. Does that explain it enough?

          • Joe H.

            That explains it ALL!!!!! HEH HEH

  • Joe N

    What is all the fuss about Tiger Woods. He has done no more than 90 percent of out politions and besides wat man would not do the same thing being in the same position and given the same oppertinity.
    I love GOD and he plainly states not to carry grudges or spread rummors

    • don

      Joe, I think you are on the right track. Let me go a step further and let me mention my case. Some days I know that life has no ultimate meaning. Other days I know that every breath I take has eternal meaning. I know that I am crazy to believe these two opposites at the same time. But i would feel even crazier denying them. I beleive that both statements are tru. Like that particle in a physics experiment, I am in two places at once. So, what am i trying to say. Joe, we all veer off track to someone else’s expectation but it is not up to someone else to display their plan publically for all to see. I always like to think, if i point a finger, I have several pointing back at myself. Its only God’s place to judge and you know what, He does not even do that till we are out of here. Blessings!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Because the liberal press loves nothing more than to bring down success. Yeah he screwed up, but they are delighting in their attempts to totally destroy him. Me, I chose to pay for him, and think like Brit Hume, that Tiger can come to know Jesus Christ and get this all forgive, as I know this is a terrible heavy burden he is carrying. I know, I carried one for 40 years before I woke up. Isnt it amazing that this same liberal press was actually trying to exhonerate and protect Bill Clinton when he was carrying on with at least twice as many women, and he was the president. Its called liberal agenda. Destroy those who succeed so they can feel a little better about themselves.

      • Smilee

        Brit works for FOX hardly a liberal press would not you say, again you demonstrate your confused thinking

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And to add, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC, all left wing propaganda networks, continue to dig and demonize Tiger more and more, and at least Fox Network, via Brit Hume, offered some solution to help Tiger, and not just keep demonizing him like the left wing networks.

  • Patti

    Why can the left say anything they want and it’s supposed to be okay, but let the right say something and they are blasted for it? Way to go Brit! Keep up the good work.

    • http://ppcflint.org David

      Patty, Jesus Christ came and said I am the way, the only way. All these years later people who love their sin more than God are still scared by those words because in their heart they know our Lord is absolutely right. They engage in character assasination because they have no congent, scholarly, reasonable response that will sustain their heinous stand. We need to pray for such people. Their bile erupts from their sad and peace-less souls.
      Bless you for taking a stand.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You are right David. Those in the darkness strike out with their hatred and they just dont understand it, because they dont know Jesus and all the love he has waiting for them. It is sad. We all need to pray for them.

    • Karen

      Right, the left never gets blasted for its comments. Have you been reading this page? Hello?

      • kat preston

        I know this one thing to be true, ok 2 things, God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.He changes not. I have read THE BOOK, and I know how it ends… GOD WINS !!!

        • Curtis S

          Really? I thought it was Harry Potter.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          You are correct kat. When Jesus took the nails for us, the victory was won. Do not let the darkness of Curtis and Anthony bother you. They will attack because satan in inside them scared, because he doesnt want them to know who Jesus is, lest they be set free of him. For now he has them, but if enough of us pray, this darkness can be driven out of them, so dont let their attacks upset you, because they will attack you. But remember, its not them, its satan. It is written, our battle is not against flesh and bones, but against spiritual forces. The enemy has made a dwelling within them, and only Jesus can save them now. All we can do is pray for them to come out of the darkness and into the light. Its that simple.

          • Curtis S

            So the argument has been lost. There’s nothing left intellectually, so it must be Satan? Now you’re going to pray for me? Please don’t! You guys can’t even agree on the simplest of the biblical myths. Just scroll through this lengthy thread and try to keep track of how many times you Christians blatantly contradict each other. Count the times the Christians here disagree with each other’s interpretation of the bible or even the very definition Christianity itself! AND you guys are supposed to be on the same team! Please don’t pray for me because I don’t want you guys fighting over how to pray properly or come to blows because you can’t agree on the words.
            I don’t take comfort from imaginary beings created by primitive men to explain reality or subjugate others. I bear you no ill will, until your freedom of religion begins impinging on my freedom to be FREE of religion. The hypocrisy of Christians (like Methodists John Edwards and Larry Craig) the arrogance of Christians (Brit Hume) and straight-up lying by Christians (intelligent design) are just a few of the many examples of why I am an atheist. It’s not the boogeyman, it’s not Satan, it’s just rational thought.

          • Joe H.

            Beberoni,
            I will pray because my lord has instructed us to but, and I will have to ask for forgiveness for this, I don’t look forward to it this time!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Thanks Joe. Is is one of the hardest parts of a Christians walk, to love the un-lovable, and it seems a few in these threads go out of their way to tell out and out lies, like the one just posted, twisting truth all around, posting lie after lie. Satan does have a hold on these guys, and it truly is our job Joe to pray for them, as hard as it is sometimes.

      • eyeswideopen

        Earth to Karen, you are being heard by some but not all. LoL.

      • Greg

        Karen. MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, and many others that are broadcast everywhere are liberally slanted. If you don’t see that then you are blind. I don’t like everything about Fox (Fox is the only halfway conservative network, and anything you hear about what they or any other conservative host is edited material and usually taken out of context just as liberals claim that Fox does as well, thus the pot calling the kettle black on both sides) or Rush, Beck, or agree with everything on The Factor, or Hannity, or even watch the news much at all anymore. It is so depressing how low our country has sunk. I have no faith in our government what so ever. What kind of government can say that I can’t have any more unemployment because my benefits (first 26 weeks) expired in January, but the person who has been on benefits for 2 years can get more. The person like me whose benefits expired in December can get more as well. What kind of sense does that make. They don’t have a clue, so all I have is God. If not for that I would have no hope for any future at all.

    • Anthony

      Because, Patti, the right spews forth lies and are very proficient at name calling. The Republicans have spent the last year crying over their loss in the last election and therefore haqve not enetered into any bi-partisan dialogue or law-making, but rather opposing everything put forth by the elected president and congress. The party’s rudenss and insults displayed during a joint session of congress is display enough – and never before demonstrated. If the Democrats behaved so badly, don’t you think the Republicans would cast every stone they could find? The Republican party has turned into the party of hate, lies, fear, and nonpatriotism.

      • Smilee

        OH SO TRUE!!!

      • michele

        Right on!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Ok Anthony. Quit story telling. The Republicans are not crying over their loss, and they havent cried over it. They accepted it. Crying is like Al Gore and you blind followers of his, 9 years later still saying he got cheated. Crying is demanding a recount and not accepting defeat. Yes, we all know who the cry babies are around here. And as a note to the wise, better load up on some tissues, because there are a lot of left wing losses coming up in 2010 and 2010. Seems the dems are allready 0-3. Get the picture? Dig it brother.

  • DooWop

    Why do so many people think their religion is better than everyone else?
    If there is only one god as each religion portrays, why then do we have so many different religions? Do we have many gods? Let Tiger be, it’s none of your business, religious or otherwise.

    • Charles

      it is because men have so many ways to attempt to justify their rebellion…why do the nations rage against God?…it is their attempt to throw off their fetters and become gods themselves…

      • Curtis S

        But that’s exactly what religion is!!! A group of like minded men create a god in their own image and then they worship themselves. They also use their religion to control their brethren and take their money. It’s also a good excuse to wage war and justify killing anyone who is different. I think you’re right Chuck!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          What you just describe Curtis, is drug dealing. The whole heirarchy and killing and stuff you mentioned, is exactly like that of a drug dealing gang. Are you in a drug dealing gang Curt, is that where you get this? Unreal. Christianity is nothing even close to what you say it is, which leads me to believe you dont know, and thats a shame. If you did, you wouldnt be so full of hatred and mistrust like you are. Thats a plain shame a human being has to live day in and day out consumed by falsehoods and hatred like that. Plain shame.

          • Curtis S

            Hahaha Beberoni that’s funny. What an incredible leap you’ve made. A weak analogy followed by a giant assumption based on pure conjecture and then the ridiculous hypothesis that I’m a drug dealer? Wow! I don’t know what kind of mental gymnastics that took but congratulations! I truly hope this post isn’t a sign that you’ve had a relapse. In two back-to-back posts (the last @ 2:35pm today) you clearly stated that YOU were a homeless, whoring, drug addict with a drinking problem. That’s YOUR past. Don’t confuse YOUR reality with mine. Congratulations Beberoni, you’ve got the monkey(s) off your back, a roof over your head and it sounds like the VD has been cured. Unfortunately, you just seem to have replaced one addiction (or more) by your addiction to faith. I’m not sure if you’re an actual Christian or just a Jesus Junkie. Actually, I’m pretty sure it’s the latter.

          • Joe H.

            Curtis,
            YOU are the one that jumped to a conclusion here not Beberoni!!! He merely ASKED if that were the case not stated it was!!! You, in answer, insulted his character, and insulted the thing that scares the living hell out of you – his beliefs!!!! You show your true characters more as you go! Give it up before you become transparent unlike your hero O-man!!!

          • Curtis S

            You’re serious aren’t you JoeH? I jumped to a conclusion? Really? When? I stated my opinion that man created God in his own image so he can worship himself. It’s actually a statement from over 100 years ago, I don’t remember the exact quote so I’ve paraphrased it. Beberoni didn’t just ask me a question, it was slanted and dripping with innuendo. I insulted his character? He opened the door with his previous posts, I just walked through it. If Beberoni wants insinuate that I’m a drug dealer, don’t get p!ssy when I paraphrase your boyfriend’s past. Scroll-up Joe, he said he was a womanizer, a drug addict, had a drinking problem and was homeless. I said the same thing, just not as nicely. Addicts often substitute one addiction for another, that’s also true Joe, and again, maybe I didn’t say it nicely, but what do you expect from someone who has just been asked if he’s “in a drug dealing gang”. You get what you give.
            I’ve been very transparent about my total lack of belief in a Santa Claus for adults. The bible is a flawed contradictory document that simple people claim is the word of god and was written by god and if you don’t believe every single word you’re going to hell. Well, Joe, I believe the earth is round and revolves around the sun. I believe the earth is substantially older than 6000 years, and that the dinosaurs existed long before man, which probably explains why they aren’t mentioned in the bible. (Or did god forget he created dinosaurs when he wrote his book?) I believe people are free to believe whatever they want to believe in, but it shouldn’t be mixed into government or politics. And JoeH, I know you’re intellectually exhausted when you pretend to think you know who my heroes are. Really, one of the few things I like about Obama is how much he drives YOU nuts, but sorry, that doesn’t make him my hero.

          • Smilee

            Curtis

            You did an excellent job in exposing these simpletons for what they really are, thanks

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Anyone ever notice, that when someone is filled up with over-whelming guilt, that they just attack and lambast others? Listen to this vitrial attacks on me. Its obvious this guy does not know at all the power of Jesus Christ, that all my sins are wiped away, Im spotless. He tries to throw my past at me, but thats exactly it, its past, gone, wiped away. While his sin is eating away at his flesh by the minute, he chooses to attack me, while I pray for this darkness that consumes him to depart from him. Isnt that amazing how this works. The hatred towards me oozes out, because Jesus Christ loves me and I know it. He lives inside me. To attack me, is to attack Him. Tread lightly my friend, dont take my Christianity as weakness. It is an overpowering strength, and Jesus dont like it when His children are attacked. Tread lightly Curt, tread lightly. Dont under estimate His power.

    • Robert

      Your question “why then do we have so many different religions”. Answer: MONEY
      Always has been and will be.

      • Curtis S

        first you get the money… then you get the power…

        • eyeswideopen

          Curtis, now the Corporations have all the money, soon they will have all the Power. Best Congress money can buy, is now the new mantra. lol

          • Smilee

            Worst decision since Dred Scott, could make slaves of all but the top 1 percent, Your voice will be lowered to a whisper in a noisy stadium, your voice will no longer be heard by many if any.

          • Joe H.

            But with God your voice will always be heard!!! I guess he’s got one over on your lib friends hasn’t he?

          • Smilee

            Joe

            Wow!! you just revealed your inability to think

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Sounds like Obama. First he raised all that money, spent a billion on commercials saying change change change, then he got the power, because the dumb uneducated bought into the commercials. He did buy the power. But I have more power that he has now, as I have the power of Jesus Christ in me, which dwarfs any power on earth.

          • Smilee

            Then why not put all that POWER to work to help those who need it, usually you use it to put people down

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I do use my power. I dont see our government properly using theirs. When they gave GM and Chrysler all those billions, why not give you, me, and every other American 100,000.00? I truly do believe that would have helped the economy a lot more, dont you? I would have spent a great deal of it, thus stimulating the economy, and I would think you would also. What did GM and Chrysler do? They are allready asking the government if they can start writing bonuses, and the unions are allready asking for more money, and the companys are even safe yet. That is one of the big problems I have with their idea of power.

    • Anthony

      Hey DooWop….MY relegion is the best of all….NONE!!! Relegion was created by man to control the masses through fear and imtimidation. I follow the teachings of God as expressed by the peace loving prophits and leaders in world history. Teachings such as love, forgiveness, understanding, acceptance, and stewardship of the planet and environment God gave us to care for and be abundant in our usage thereof. God is only a word to give name to the supreme energy and life force within all people, no matter what their professed beliefs.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Wow. Your going to be shocked when the story doesnt end the way you expect it to.

  • Ruth DeGroat

    I feel sorry for Tiger Woods. He got caught up in something bigger than he was. I applaud Brit Hume for innocently suggesting a sollution for Tiger. God does forgive sin and who among you out there can cast the first stone. I hope Tiger does give God a try and see that he will bring him peace

    • Anthony

      Amazingly, Ruth, God is the basis of Bhuddaism. Pull your head out of the pulpit and take a look-see.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Well Anthony, youve allready shown us that you dont know Jesus Christ, and now you have shown you dont know Buddism either.

        • Smilee

          There you go again, sitting in Judgment, Shame Shame

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Now watch, some ass will come and say Im judging. You watch and see, wait for it. Wait for it, here it comes.

    • Joe H.

      God Bless your love of God!!!!

  • Pat

    “Thank-you”, Ruth DeGroat!!

  • Dom T

    Way to go Brit, I saw the interview on Fox News while in the states. I think the left has banded together with its common ideology to try and defeat all forms of Christianity because Christianity is the biggest threat to the left’s (read abortion) money making ventures.

    Forgiving sins changes people, people’s outlook on life, and how a person responds to life, and society.

    Keep up the good work !!!

    • Anthony

      Christianity should not replace the United States Government. Thank you.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Maybe not, but if it did, we sure would have a lot more politicians doing what is in the best interests of the people they are serving, instead of what is best for themselves. Jesus didnt do what was going to be easiest and most profitable and most popular for Him, He did what was best for us. Politicians should indeed do that, for isnt that the very thing they are supposed to be elected for Anthony, to serve the people? Thats the way I understand it. It sure seems most of them think they are there to serve themselves to as much of our money as they can get their hands on, and Im sure thats not right.

  • Pat

    AMEN, Dom!! :)

    • martha

      GOD BLESS AMERICA

      • Anthony

        We should all be more concerned that America is on the side of God, rather than God being on the side of America.

        • Smilee

          Well put

        • Victor

          Anthony, you finally sead something that made some sense. The question is, are you on God’s side?

          • Smilee

            Why do ask, Why do you want to know?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Congratulations young man, touch em all. You just hit a grand slam. It took awhile my friend, but I tell you, I agree totally with you on this one.

  • Skully – Tulsa

    Thank God for someone who will stand up Jesus Christ. Unfortunately some of these people are going to find out too late that there is a God and we all will be judged accordingly.

    • Joe H.

      Skully,
      No, you won’t be judged for your friends sins or your enemy’s!!! You will be judged for yours and yours alone!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Careful Joe, Smilee will say your “Judging”

  • http://denialator.blogspot.com denialator

    Isn’t it a shame that everyone squawking about Hume’s comments are completely clueless regarding Christianity as a lifestyle, not a “religion” which promotes license to sin and a free pass, including Brit Hume?

    What should have been noted is that Hume’s comments, in the sense of Christianity, was an outright gaffe. A true follower of Christ has no such definitions from Biblical doctrines. True, Christianity is the only faith which offers unconditional forgiveness of sin upon repentance from same, public confession of faith, personal relationship and trust in the Savior, i.e. God’s only Son whom everyone must acknowledge to inherit the right to be children of God and enjoy the blessing of eternal salvation, but those who live in habitual sin, an impossibility for true believers, will in no wise inherit the Kingdom of God.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10
    Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
    10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    • Anthony

      Hmmmm….your last paragraph seems to describe most Republican members of Congress.

      • eyeswideopen

        Now, Anthony, let’s not blame alcohol, they are sober, when they tell lies and try to re-write history. lol

        • Joe H.

          yeah eyes, I’m sure slick willie Clintoon didn’t touch as well as not inhale!!!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        That describe Ted Kennedy to the T. I didnt realize he was a Republican.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And the wonderful thing is, everyone who might be in one of those categories, can call upon the name of Jesus Christ, and have all those sins wiped away, and start over. Thus being born again. Jesus wipes the slate clean, and gives us a fresh start. Tiger has that chance, as do all of us. I took it 11 years ago, and thats truly when I started living. I wish this for Tiger also. It is a huge burden he is carrying right now.

  • http://none Judy Wesselhoft

    I live in the Oklahoma City, OK metroplex. We are so encouraged to hear what Brit Hume said. According to scriptures and history, all he said is true. Not only Tiger Woods but the audience, hopefully, will search ourselves to see Who we trust in. My secret hope is that some organization in OKC will invite Mr. Hume to speak here. I’d love to meet him and give him my support.
    Judy

  • ed fouts

    BRIT HUME , our country was built on these CHRISTIAN princpal,s you see what happens when people go the other way, like tiger woods buddhism realy help him go down to the lowest you can go,
    this has keep our nation strong in the face of enemy,s our constitution was built on these value,s,are you afaid
    to stand up for our value,s that keep you free america,wake up,
    one nation under god,this is the foundation of our country,that gives
    all freedom to americans and less goverment in our lives,big goverment will bring our country down,and there will be war and blood,stand up america we have been the blessed, lets keep it,
    these hardcore progressives need to leave this country, the sooner the better,THATS THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION NOTHING BUT PROGRESSIVE
    RADICALS TRYING TO TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR LIFE,OUT WITH THESE CORRUPTE
    CRIMINALS SCUM BAGS,GO LIVE IN CHNIA AND BE WITH YOUR LOVE OF MAO ZEDONG

    • Karen

      China is one of the furthest things from a liberal state I can imagine. It is a totalitarian dictatorship, toying with ideas of free market capitalism.

      • Victor

        Karen, my dear, China and Russia know from experience that socialism (communism) does not work, that is why they are heading for free market capitalism. They smirk at us because they see us make the same mistakes they did. They know they cannot tell us anything, because we are too proud to listen. All God has to do to judge us is let us suffer the consequence of our own stupidity.

        • Norm

          Victor
          Make no mistake about it, China is a dedicated communiat country. It allows some freedom in the bussiness and manufacturing areas, but the government is hard core communist.

  • Norm

    Brit Hume’s assumption that there is no forgiveness in the Buddist religion is puzzeling. His assumption that Christianity will offer Tiger complete absolution is very subjective as well. Forgivness is between a man (or woman) and his creator. All the religious rhetoric, monetary donations, singing choirs, and forced conversions will not save a person who is fakeing it.
    Actually the Buddists, for the little I know about them, seem to be a very restrained group who do not subscribe to violence.
    I thought Britt was one of the more normal Foxites, but now I’m beginning to wonder.

    • kat preston

      Do some research, over the past several years, Buddhist have attacked, beaten and killed Christian missionarys in different countries. They have burned homes, churches, and schools. All without provocation. Doesn’t sound too peaceful to me.

      • trut

        Why don’t you do the research for us? There were plenty of magicians in the old days, what makes jesus special?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Magicians? Come on man.

      • Curtis S

        Christian missionaries? You know, when you go to someone’s country and start telling them your religion is better than theirs, you’ve to expect that not every one is going to be very hospitable. I’m not sure what’s more vital to being a missionary, being incredibly naive or being monumentally arrogant?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          You just dont get it Curtis do you? Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the live. There is no other way to heaven than through Him. Why is that so hard for you to understand? The truth will set you free, and until you accept Him into your life, you are going to wear those blinders and not hear or see the truth. Oh yeah, If you read your Bible, you would fully understand why it says, “though they have ears they do not hear, and though they have eyes, they do not see”, because until you accept Jesus Christ as your saviour, and invite Him into your life, you will forever have on these blinders from satan that will keep you from seeing the truth. Thus you are being denied all the good things He has in store for you. Test me in this, but only if your really interested in the truth.

          • Smilee

            There you go again spinning things and making an assumption and then responding to that assumption and not to Curtis’s post. He was talking about Christian missionaries, if you do not see his point trying asking our Native Americans about the abuse they suffered from Christian missionaries under the guise of Christianity, Cutis is right you and you are ridiculous.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            If all the Christians are so darn bad Smilee, why doesnt God just wipe them all out? Why is He going to take them to heaven when He comes again in triumph? Quit JUDGING all Christians by the past. Those dark days are long gone. Long gone. Slavery is long gone. The British owning us are long gone. The Germans kicking my ancestors out and taking all their money and their castle is long gone. They dont owe me nothing, and I could care less, its over and in the past. Learn from the past, but let it go. Christians today are the only reason the United States is still standing. They more and more they dwindle, the closer the day comes to this great country not standing anymore, and you cant take that to the bank. Im sure glad Im not going to be here when that happens, but because of anti Christians like you, our childrens children will probably see it. Hope you feel good about that.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Now here it comes. Wah wah, your spinning, your judging. Mommy. He’s spinning, he’s judging me. Get over yourself man, and get down on your knee’s and ask God for his forgiveness.

      • Joe H.

        Kat,
        See, the person who will not be named above me thinks in the dirge of a non believer and has no idea of what he talks about. He has never felt the true love of Christ and felt the weight of the world lifted from his shoulders. He never will until he kneels and asks in earnest!!! I feel so sorry for him. I will pray for him to see the light, though!!!

        • Gibby

          Geez JoeH, a guy makes ONE Harry Potter joke and now you’re treating me like Lord Voldemort? Don’t get me wrong, I mean… I’m flattered, buit I don’t think I’ve really earned the title yet. I guess this is how Obama felt when he won the Nobel Peace Prize.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            He didnt win it. George Soros bought it for him.

        • Smilee

          Again you demonstrate your simple thinking

  • Alan

    Too Christan?
    You mean like a little pregnant?
    C’mon
    There is no such thing as “Too Christian”. You either are or are not.
    To the contrary, TV is too secular.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Fabienne

    Way to go Brit! I was watching when you made those statements and was amazed that someone in the media could still speak their thoughts on faith openly and was willing to do so! Did you really expect a different reaction from the “rest of media world”? And does it make any difference?? A nation without God, is what America has come to, and what the media, hollywood, and our government are aspiring to, but that doesn’t change the facts. We are still called to be light and salt and to speak the truth, so that others might have a chance to be forgiven. You have seen the impact of your words in one small arena, but who knows how the Spirit may be working in Tiger Woods heart because of your words. Jesus would have come even for one. Be bold and continue to speak the truth in love! Thank-you!!

  • http://zoomtown.com kevin

    Good for Brit..Seems to me those that put him down are so far gone its hopeless for them unless they turn to Christ..The Lord does say ;those that deny me ,will be denied by MY FATHER>.Keith O. and others are to be pitied and prayed for.If all who claim to be followers of Christ stood up like he has this nation would once again be blessed. look around and ask yourself ”why has the U S A sunk so low? They turn God into a mockery and have turned to evil.They had best be careful as God will only allow so much.I congradulate Brit for standing up for his belief in Almighty God

  • http://searchtheword.net Grandma Ruth

    OK oh smart ones! You want to know about the Lord Jesus Christ? — or how to refute Him? Do your homework. READ THE BIBLE! Start with the book of John, then Romans. It’s not about “religion.” It’s about the state of your heart. “As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.” “Out of the abundance of the heart the man speaketh.” “The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord.” Which would you rather have, wages from corruption or the free gift of something you would never, ever be able to purchase yourself?

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Tell them Grandma. B-Basic I-Instructions B-Before L-Leaving E-Earth.

  • JD

    There is not separation of church and state in the constitution. There is not a separation of church and news in the constitution. Bret Hume does have the constitutional right to say what he thinks about Tiger’s situation. What is the problem? He was asked what his advise to Tiger would be and he gave his opinion. There should be no problem! (FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!!!)

    • ed fouts

      AMEN

    • eyeswideopen

      JD, and who gave him or anyone else the right to pass judgement and offer advice ? I didn’t hear Tiger ask him to comment on his personal choices. Arrogrance is sinful, ignorance can be forgiven. So which one is Britt?

      • Joe H.

        Eyes,
        What’s the matter does it make you sweat that he might be right??? If he is right, you could be sweating a lot more!!!!

        • Smilee

          Again you demonstrate your inability to think

          • Joe H.

            And the only ability I see in you is to mock and judge!!!!

          • Smilee

            Joe

            I am neither mocking or judging you, I merely stated my heartfelt and honest opinion of you , cannot you handle some honest constructive criticism

          • Joe H.

            smilee,
            when I see constructive criticism in your mindless prattle I will take it. I haven’t yet!!!

          • Smilee

            Joe

            I never thought your simple mind would comprehend it but I thought I would try

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Note to Joe, Smilee just judged you again. He judged you unable to think. Its plain as day what he just said.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Except the left wing press, just like the democrats, dont like Jesus or Christianity, and are scared of it as it represents the truth, something they are not at all comfortable with. Its true.

  • Mark

    Brit Hume should not be vilified for expressing his personal religious beliefs. As simplistic and fantastical as the Christian/Muslim/Jewish worldview is, it is still a matter of personal opinion. Both religious choice and free speech are protected by the US constitution. As silly as it sounds to some of us, Brit really believes that his version of the “creator” can make a difference in Tiger’s life, as opposed to thoughtful introspection and self-discipline.

  • David

    “Judging by the hysterical outcry from the left, you would think he had publicly advocated devil-worship.” No, that would have been OK. We wouldn’t want to offend the “Devil Worshipers” now would we?

  • Lisa Hathaway

    Where’s the fire? All this hoopla because Brit gave his opinion? Is he not entitled to his opinion? This is America, isn’t it? Or, at least, the America I knew. And, besides, Brit is absolutely RIGHT! I applaud his courage and his boldness to speak to the issue. My prayer is that Tiger is listening. He needs to forsake the false and empty teachings of Buddhism and find peace, joy, salvation and forgiveness through Jesus Christ, the ONLY “way” to heaven (John 14:6)

  • Doug

    There is an old adage that says, “If (or when) they come to arrest you for being a Christian, will there be enough evidence to convict you?” Mr. Hume’s position is obviously not in question. May God bless you Mr. Hume.

  • Cliff Richardson

    I’m 83 years of age. World War 2 Vet..been there and done that..
    the liberal movement will continue and it is a result of how the
    younger generations have allowed their basic thinking to infiltrate
    our schools and colleges.. When a college graduate doesn’t know who
    George Washington is or what the D.C. stands for in Washington,,,we
    need to re-examine our scholastic system and burn the books. Christianity is a privelige available to those minds that have been
    affected by the scholstic system of the past 50 years. It is sad
    and I only pray to God that our society will go back to the basic
    teachings of the past. The 1930′s were glorious compared to our
    present society even though times were tough.

    • trust no one

      how will burning books help education ? just askin

      • David

        My Dad is 82 and speaks similarly. I think he means the educational system has been altered to fit the progressive/liberal way. You know liberals never add any value to the system…..so they took over acedemia. Stick with engineering….it’s hard to screw with the laws of nature :)

        • eyeswideopen

          David, your Dad would scream like a stuck pig, if the socialist Medicare program was repealed. Damn those Liberals that wanted to take care of the elderly. They should be beaten into next week for caring about the weakest of our society.

          • Claire

            One of these days people will all be “elderly.” And when the possibly of entering a nursing home or somewhere else happens, then I bet people will feel differently about things. The old adage–when the shoe is on the other foot.” We should treat others as we would like to be treated. We all are children of God.

          • Smilee

            Thanks both of you common sense still is alive and well

          • DaveH

            Sure they want to take care of the elderly with other peoples’ money. Never mind that after they impoverish the nation with their socialism that all of us (except the leaders) will be wanting for care.

          • Joe H.

            Eyes,
            And scream he should!!! He has paid into it all his working life and expects the government to deliver on the promise of HIS money!! If he had been able to invest it, he would have had a lot more to use!!!!

          • Claire

            I know one thing for sure. A person must think about old age, because when the time comes, and a person is headed for a nursing home or whatever, they had best have their affairs put in order and plenty of money. A friend of mine had a brother that was in a nursing home, after his money ran out, the nursing home took everything he had. He did not have his affairs in order.

          • eyeswideopen

            JoeH, Dave in post above yours states that they haven’t paid, they are using someone else’s money. What say you?

          • Claire

            I should have completed my post. The nursing home took the guy’s house and his car. After all of this happened, and the nursing sold the house and care, the guy died a few months later. Consequently he did not have to be on public aid. According to this lady I know, the guy died before all the money was used for his care. The nursing home kept the remainder of the money.

          • Claire

            Sorry, I meant nursing home not nursing –also car not care. I should have proofread my post. Pardon my errors, please.

          • eyeswideopen

            JoeH, why aren’t you answering? Dave says that other peoples money is paying for Medicare. You think your father paid for his. Who is right? Could it be that my money will pay for your fathers care when the money he paid doesn’t cover his care? Sure, that’s reality. It is a socialist program as the majority don’t pay in enough to cover the cost of their care.

          • Joe H.

            eyes,
            I disagree with dave and you both! My father only expected the liberal government that took that money and spent the excesses to hold up their end of the bargain! I said if he could have invested the money they took he would have had a lot more at the end!!! this is the same way I feel as well as I have been paying into it since I was 16 years old!!! I also expect it will not be there when I go to collect it at 65 years old and there fore your big government has stolen my money for 42 years!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Joe, do you think that only Repubs pay into the tax system? I pay and it won’t be there for me either. You act as though you repubs are the only contributing members of society. Guess what we all pay taxes!!! Except those crafty Rich Repubs who send their money off shore to avoid taxes, while using our infrastructure and benefiting from our military defense. So nice of them don’t you think?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You state those liberals want to take care of the ederly. Then why does Emanuel’s brother, who would be instrumental in regulating this socialized heath care the liberals want, say that anyone over like 65 isnt worth giving medical care to, because theyve allready lived a full life? Thats what they have in mind, and I dont reall consider that a very good way to take care of the ederly, do you?

    • Ken K

      GOD BLESS You Cliff Richardson,,Your words are echoes of my parents words..Now residing in the Kingdom Of our Lord..

      • Joe H.

        Ken K.,
        Accept my heartfelt sorrow at your loss. I just lost my mother this week!!! I take heart that she always believed in God and will be with him!!!

        • Claire

          JoeH–I am sorry for the loss of your Mother. My heart goes out to you and your family. God bless all of you. I lost my Mother several years ago. I miss her so much. It is like a big gap that remains unfilled. Our family get-togethers are not quite the same but I have to remember she is in a better place. I miss her common sense, her “sayings” that she used to come up with, her sense of fairness and decency. And most of all, I miss her big bear-hugs!

        • eyeswideopen

          JoeH, I will pray for you and your family. Peace comes slowly for those left behind. Bless you.

        • usmadgirl

          Joe H,

          I’m so sorry to hear about the loss of your mother. I knew there was something wrong when I didn’t see any comments from you for several days. I told “Tinwarble” all week that I was worried about you!

          You & your family will be in my thoughts & prayers. My dad died when I was 16 @ 42 years old. My mom (who never dated or remarried after my dad died even tho she was also 42) died at 54 when I was 28. I still think about them every day! May God comfort you in your loss!

          • Joe H.

            To all here that have expressed their sorrow for my loss, thank you from the bottom of my heart!!! ALL of you!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          God’s peace to you Joe. I also lost my mother this December. She is with the Lord now, and I have that peace knowing I will see her again. The hardest part was watching my father, watching her suffer, as they were married for 64 years. He showed me the perfect example of “Until death do us part”. He was amazing. Much like the love Jesus showed us when He put out His arms and said “I love you this much”, and took the nails for us.

      • Norm

        You are one sad dude. Christ was good. Pat is evil and spiteful and basically full of it. He makes Islam look good. I hope your parents are somewhere in peace.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Thank you sir, for fighting for the freedom I enjoy today. Thank you. Back in the 30′s like you said, time was hard, but America was America, and we all stuck together as one, One Nation Under God. God was in our schools, in our government, and in our hearts. Todays liberals have gotten in bed with the ACLU, the Anti-Christ Lawyers Union, and kicked God out of everything they can. They want to kick him off the money next. And these same liberals wonder today why things are in such a mess, and they just dont see what they have done.

  • pat

    Our country needs Brit Hume and millions more like him, speaking truth with clarity. But the unrighteous hate truth. To Hume: We applaud your wisdom and courage!

    • George

      Amen. Brit is great.

    • Smilee

      We do not hate Britt despite the fact his behavior is deplorable

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Atta boy/girl, Smilee…..just as we don’t “hate” those we feel act in deplorably.

        Fed Up Gal

    • Norm

      Fox news claims to be fair and unbiased. Religion is subjective and very biased. There are plenty of churches, temples, etc. in this country. Why do you want religious opinion on an objective news report?

  • USPatriot

    Wow! It is amazing! Ask a man his opinion. Under free speech he says what is in his heart and all this hatred coming from the left! It probably explains why TSA is targeting Christians who oppose Obama as terrorists instead of al qaeda, the group that has killed thousands, perverting religion. The real terrorists are in the White House. Giving miranda rights to foreign nationals. Court martialing marines et. al. during war time (if it isn’t a war, get us out of there). Where did common sense go?

    • Harold Olsen

      They probably target Christians because Al-Qaeda doesn’t exist. Haven’t you heard that? There’s a group on the left that has made that claim. According to them Bush and Cheney made them up so they would have an excuse to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. What is their proof that Al-Qaeda doesn’t exist? Why, it’s because we can’t locate them. If they actually existed we’d be able to find them Therefore, they must not exist. Bush and Cheney made them up. Of course, by their logic, Jimmy Hoffa must not have existed, nor did Amelia Earhart. We can’t find them either. So, why should TSA target someone who doesn’t exist?

      • George

        The Clinton’s believe Al-Qaeda is real, or at least did believe that when they were the administration.

    • Smilee

      Read all you wrote before your last sentence and it is self explanatory where it went

      • Joe H.

        Only to you goof ball, only to you!!!

        • Norm

          No, to me too.

        • Smilee

          Joe

          Again you show your inability to think

          • Joe H.

            Smilee,
            you condemn Britt for voicing his opinion to Tiger unsolicited yet you and your friends do the very same thing here!!! I think that shows YOUR inability to think!!!

          • Smilee

            JOE

            There you go again, I never criticized him. I merely expressed in my opinion that I felt it was arrogant and inappropriate and I do feel that way. I respect his right to make it but you should respect my right to voice my opinion. Personally I feel it was none of his business and I also believe the question he was answering was inappropriate, once he put his views on the table that made him fair game for others to also voice their opinion of what he said. You seem to not like that I express my opinions, I guess because you do not agree with them

          • Joe H.

            smilee,
            Still you say it is inappropriate for him yet you do the same!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            In response to Joe, once again Smilee has judged Brit Hume and you. He is full of judgement for all, but like a true liberal, he points the finger at you and I, and accuses us of judging. Aint that special. Welcome to the liberals of today. They tell us what we are, how we should think, and what we should do, but it doesnt apply to them. Sweet.

    • eyeswideopen

      USPAT, I didn’t hear Tiger asking for Britt’s opinion, did you?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        No he did not. But if he would take it under advisement, and research what he said like a responsible human being, he would find his life would improve in leaps and bounds. Unless you just consider gaining huge amounts of wealth as the reason to live, then he should do nothing. But obviously, with a billion dollars and everything material wise a person could ever want, a beautiful model wife, 2 beautiful kids, mansions, boats, everything, and he still needed more, should tell you something about how filling material possessions and money are. Tiger will keep searching for what he is looking for, until he finds Jesus in his life, then he will understand that is what is missing. This goes for all of us. I know, Ive been there. I didnt have a much as Tiger, but I had everything I ever wanted, money, new big house, new car, and it didnt do it. I needed more. As a result, I had it all taken from me, to realize it wasnt what I needed at all. Now that Ive found what I was missing, the Lord Jesus Christ in my life, Ive been given more than Ive ever needed, and I give away a lot of it, because finally I get it, I dont need it, I dont dwell on it, and it just keeps coming, and I can share it with those who are in need. That is the calling of Jesus Christ, and if anyone can find fault with that, then they need to take it up with the One above.

  • Paul Tinkel

    God will Bless those who boldly speak of their faith! Brit has and I uphold him for speaking clearly and without reservation.
    Keep up the good and positive work Brit!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And he will be blessed for this. Jesus said if you suffer for my name, you will be blessed. And those of us who believe in Him, do have to suffer, and He does bless us. That is just the facts.

  • Allison

    I don’t think Brit Hume was or is too Christian for TV. In fact I hope there will be more people like him standing up, and saying things like this. I’ve always sensed Tiger was a little secretive and warped and could be hiding things, and I’ve glad it finally was exposed.

    • Curtis S

      Well Allison do you have ESP or something? After the facts are exposed you say that you “sensed it”? Did you ever say anything about your tingly feelings before Tiger crashed into the tree? Do you have any “senses” about anyone else right now? Gee Allison, if we were in Salem about 300 years ago, me and all my self-righteous Christian friends would probably burn you at the stake for being a witch. You “sensed it”. hahaha

      • Smilee

        It is none of Allison’s business or anyone else’s for that matter

        • Joe H.

          Smilee,
          you know I hope for your sake Curtis doesn’t make any real fast stops!! If he does, you BOTH are going to need some of that free health care real bad!!!!

          • Smilee

            Joe

            Again you demonstrate your inability to think

          • Smilee

            Joe

            Again you demonstrate your inability to think, will you ever learn

          • Joe H.

            Smilee,
            And you show your inability to smell or you would back off Curtis’ behind or you might need a proctologist for some good old surgery!!!

          • Smilee

            WOW!!! You finally revealed your true self, does not say much for your character either does it. People who cannot formulate intelligent discourse usually do respond in this manner and as I have said before you do repeatedly demonstrate your ability to have rational thought, Just my honest opinion

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Joe H,

            That’s so funny…..and funnier still because it’s sooooooo true.

            Fed Up Gal

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Smilee,

            In your current position….it’s probably better to be a quick “mover” than a quick “thinker”….may have helped to think before putting yourself there.

            Fed Up Gal

          • Smilee

            Sorry Fed up you do not make any sense, maybe the result of that slow thinking you suffer from

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Again, Smilee chooses to judge you. Always judging, but then accusing everyone else of judging. It just amazes me. He thinks himself so perfect, that I wonder if he gets scared when he see’s a cross, because the last perfect person to walk on the earth was nailed to the cross. Just wondering.

    • eyeswideopen

      Allison, did you also sense that Vitter, Ensign and Stamford were out screwing around on their wives too? WOW!! if so why didn’t you get Britt to make comments on that occassion?

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Ive always thought of Tiger Woods as one the good guys. Good man, good family man, nice guy, and he just made some mistakes. We are all tempted in life, and we all fail. Can you imagine the temptations that have came at this guy in his life? Walk in his shoes. It had to be overbearing. He didnt have the protection of Jesus Christ in his life to help him through this. Listen, I am a Christian, and I try to walk daily with Jesus Christ, but I seriously dont know how I would fare if all that temptation was daily thrown at me at the level it is at him. It would be so hard, being a human and all. Give the man a break, and dont label him. He is an imperfect human being just as I am, just as we all are. Pray for him to get better, thats all. But dont pull the “aha, I knew it” on him. That doesnt do anyone any good. I hope for Tiger is that he gets its back together, that he learns and grows from this, and rally’s back as a better person. Isnt that the right thing to do?

  • Barbara Holmes

    Brit Hume is brave to offer Tiger something that can help him…Christ. Liberals do not want to help anyone but themselves.
    They want money from conservatives and the Godly, and the good things they provide. They certainly do not desire the promise of heaven. They could never enjoy spending eternity with a loving God, and his angels, anyway. Tiger might be smarter.

    • eyeswideopen

      Barbara, there are enough Republicans Christians who are unfaithful, that Britt could be making comments about. A paid politician is of public concern as he represents the public, however a golfer is involved in a sport and is not reprenting anyone but himself. This is so hypocritical but typical of the religious right. That sliver must be blinding by now.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Eyes, there are democrat Christians who are unfaithful also, and there are non political Christians who are unfaithful. There are more unfaithful people who are not even Christians. Dont label a party like this. Thing of the unfaithful thing with Christians this way, that Satan gets 2 for 1 when he takes down a Christian couple with unfaithfulness. Yeah, he messes both of them up, and scores big points. The temptation is there even more, and always will be. Thats why it is important as a Christian couple, whether Republican, Democrat, Independant, Libertarian, Tea Party, or non-political, that the both of you wrap yourself around the third cord, Jesus Christ in the middle, because as it is written, a cord of three strands is hard to break. Dont make Christianity a political thing. I know many Christians on both sides.

  • http://BobLivingston Andy Anderson

    I agree with Brit Humes, PRAISE the LORD for it and may it be used for God’s Glory. His word will not return void, (Isaiah 55).

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    Believe me, I love Brit Hume, but he has it a little wrong anyway. First, The “Jewish Messiah” is “HEBREW,” which even the book of Acts acknowledges, not to mention THAT THE BIBLE says that “HEBREW” is the inspired language of “YHWH” (Yahweh) and Yahshua came in his father’s name Yahweh! SEE how the OLD WORLD CAN GET DECEIVED??? And, it WAS NOT EVEN HARD!!! I don’t even want to go into how the Roman Catholic POPE in 1520 asked Spanish Priest at the Vatican, PETRUS GALATINUS, to CHANGE the NAME of the “JEWISH MESSIAH” to HONOR the HIGHEST GREEK DEITY “ZEUS!” Of coarse, good old REV. Galatinus came up with “JESUS” to HONOR “ZEUS!” I KNOW that the COMMANDMENTS IN THE BIBLE get BROKEN THAT WAY, DON’T YOU? It’s HISTORY, CHECK IT OUT!!! AND IT gets WORSE, “ANOTHER WILL COME IN HIS “OWN NAME,” LUCIFER, AND HE YOU WILL ACCEPT!!! THE BEAST AND YAHSHUA’S TWO WITNESSES ARE SOON COMING! WATCH!

  • one old dog

    Satan comes in many guises, to deceive the people, are we in the presence of the great deceiver’s minions? By their actions you will know them!

    • don

      Yes, I gues if anyone has an opinion that is different from one set of things (like steps 1 through 5)then he or she is of the devil. How can someone be so judgemental. It is as if the mind has been washed in some kind of goo that says it is OK to verbally condemn all of those who don’t believe like I do. Narrowly defined evangelization and “withessing for Jesus” is not all there is to the Christian life. Beyond the good deeds of charity, even the preaching of the gospel, is something more important, the whole point in life in the first place, the restoration of our relationship with our Creator as worshippers. Shame on us, we spend more time, judging, picking nits, praying at someone instead of to GOd, and of course quoting verses (usually out of context)when we should be loving everyone, yes everyone as He first loved us. All Blessings!

      • eyeswideopen

        Don, you Sir, are a true Christian. Bless you. Actions are what we will be judge by, not our words. How we treat our brothers will be the determining factor, not what we preach at our brothers.

        • Smilee

          Eyes I agree, but many of the self proclaimed chistians on this site disagree, do you think it their greedy nature

          • DaveH

            Oh sure, they’re greedy for wanting to keep their own hard-earned money, but you’re not greedy for wanting to share their money against their will. What a load.

          • Norm

            DaveH
            The don’t mind throwing 15%-20% of there income to support the lavish lifestyle of some con artist preacher. But ask for a 2% tax increase to get their country out of debt or pay for one of their “Christian” wars and they start packing weapons.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, you are just like the Republicans, chant something long enough and you hope people believe it.

          • Smilee

            Again DaveH demonstrates his greedy selfish nature, he would only be happy if the world only contained DaveH’s

          • eyeswideopen

            DAVEH… WE ALL PAY TAXES, NOT JUST YOU!!!! and the Repubs/Conservatives. ALL of us pay, except those who take their money off shore and refuse to help pay for their own defense, roads, electric grid, fireman, police and the list goes on and on. But you think that it’s ok, for the rich to avoid paying their fair share of taxes and the rest of us have to cover their portion. I resent the heck out of that. You live here and reap the benefits, you should pay your share of taxes. Talk about stealing money!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            In response to Norm. My pastor drives a 2002 Ford Escort. If your pastor is driving around in a 2009 Hummer, you might want to rethink the church your at. Try Malachi 3:9, you might find something out.

        • Yandle

          Matt 12:37
          For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

      • Joe H.

        don,
        actually it says in the bible ” For none shall get to the Father except by the son.
        To reiterate what I said earlier about taking away or adding to the Bible there is a passage in the King James Bible that says “in the beginning there was the Word and the word was God.
        Now there is a religion that has changed it to read “in the beginning there was the word and the word was A god. I won’t denigrate a mans religion but I do wonder if the addition of the letter A is grounds to God to have all the plagues added to their life is there? It sounds like they’re saying there is more than one God to me!!! I’d say they need to tread careful!!!

        • denniso

          Don…’how can some people be so judgemental?’…sadly, most religious people,luckily not all,are judgemental because of the very nature of religion. Most religions proclaim to their followers and the world that they alone have the truth. If people believe that,and most do,then the very certainty of that belief leads inexorably to judgementalism,and very few ‘believers’ have the wisdom or compassion and empathy to stay out of that intellectual trap. I think it’s also part of human nature to want to think that we individually have the truth about a very complex world…it’s unsettling to think otherwise. A person certainly doesn’t have to be religious to be judgemental,but religion all too often does lead there. And we need to recognise that w/o a religion promising the flock it’s ‘unique’ truth and world view,it wouldn’t have much to offer. Of course the same can be said of political parties and obsessive devotion.

          • don

            Do you judge folks? I bet you do! We all do. As far as our faith as Christians is concerned, we are called to see the image of God in our fellow human beings. Despite how society conditions us to relate to each other, we must work hard to distinguish ourselves and live our lives in a way that is over and above society.

            We must continually strive to overcome the temptation of judging others and seek, rather, to judge ourselves in light of how we deal with others. In doing this, we might just start seeing in others what God sees in them.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            There is only one Truth, Jesus Christ the Lord. “I am the Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me”. So says the word of the Lord. You disagree with Him, you take it up with Him. I choose to accept, as it has been revealed to me, and is revealed to all who step up and call on His name and invite Him in. If you dont believe me, its just because you havent tried this yet. Once you do, you will know, so dont stand back and judge me, seek the truth, and find out. It’ll be the best thing youve ever done.

        • don

          Hi Joe,

          Yes, I know the Religion that you are speaking of (So as not to offend, I will use the initials JW. I think you know who I mean).
          In fact these folks have an old history “Arianism”. In the modern language the JWs are referred to as being a cult. Personally, I do not like that term it tends to detract from a lot of the unsavory groups that are strange or evensinister. To that end a more descriptive word would be a heresy. Blessings!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          John 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, and the Word was with God. Jesus Christ is the Word.

    • Norm

      Satan sometimes pretends to be a Christian. I wonder where Jerry Falwell is?

      • eyeswideopen

        Norm, probably in the same jail as Jimmy Bakker. lol

        • Smilee

          ROFL Shame on you!

        • libertytrain

          Can’t be – Jimmy Bakker has been out of prison for many many many years and by the way, is still preaching.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Jim Bakker fell, and fell hard. Very publicly. I fully believe he has been forgiven of what he had done. I myself are not one much for TV preachers. I find most of them to be phonies, only interested in one thing, money. Thats a shame. But if your in the word, and you are working on your relationship with God, these false prophets stick out like a sore thumb. Jim Bakker was one of these the first time around. He started as sincere, but got corrupted by the money and the fame. I would imagine there was a lot temptation around him, what will all that cash and stuff. Why do you think it is written, “It is easier to thread a camel through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to inherit the kingdom of Heaven”? Money can be a very corruptable thing. Look at almost everyplace where there is loads of money, and your going to find corruption. Look at our government man. That is the allure of money, and it does change people. Ever seen the story of the people that won millions in the lottery? Almost all of them were worse off 5 years later than when they won it, and it destroyed their marriages and relationships and pretty much their lives. A lot of people dont know it, because they arent in the word, but money is mentioned more in the Bible than Love is. Thats how important it is. And God knew it from the beginning. That is why He calls on us to be good stewards of all He has given us. Think about it.

  • hunter

    Brit Hume wasn’t wrong. I would think when the earthquake hit Haiti last week there was little to no cries to Buddah, same to Allah and certainly even less to the Black Madonna or other Voo Doo gods. I wonder to whom the cries for mercy and help went out to? My guess is the Christain God, Lord Jesus Christ. end.

    • Curtis S

      Actually my guess would be MONEY! Help we need MONEY!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Most of them never had money to start with Curtis. Their government officials all have money, and live high off the hog, but the people are left to live in squalor, scratching by on bare neccessities. Its a shame, because it doesnt have to be like that there. If our current government has its way here, that is how it will be here. The government will give little hand outs, why they live high off the hog, and plunder the national resources. This is todays democratic party. They will throw you to the wolves just as they will me. Keep voting for them, and you will find out.

  • Jerry

    To those individuals saying that Christianity is responsible for the pillaging and rape and dominance imposed on societies in the historic past, I say there have been other religions equally perverted by their masters to the same ends. Most recently communism comes to mind for many millions of dead in the 20th Century. You don’t need to hide behind a god to commit evil. Historically, as many deaths can be attributed to the Muslim ‘Alla’ as the God of Christianity and to many pagan deities as well.
    My point is that the perversion exists because of the men in power using the beliefs to their own end.
    Like all men they will be judged before the throne of Jesus Christ just as you and I will. All men have sinned. Therefore, all men will endure the judgment. The difference will be observed in those who have made a conscious choice to accept the atonement provided through the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Repent of your sin and “go and sin no more”. We cannot live sin free so it will be necessary to continue this process throughout your life but, if you are truly repentant your natural inclination will be to obey the commandments.
    You cannot spend, live, or ‘fake’ your way through this. It matters not how good or evil a person you have been in the past. Jesus offers this miracle to all and you must choose. By failing to choose you will have chosen to reject his sacrifice. We are all condemned because we all have done that which is ‘sin’ in the eyes of God. The type of sin doesn’t matter. It matters not to God what the sin is, only that it is sin. God demands justice. The only individual capable of providing that justice is Jesus Christ. His coming was foretold over the centuries in very specific detail and his birth was the fulfillment of these prophecies. His ministry and the miracles he performed are testified to by the thousands that witnessed them. He was tortured and crucified by the Roman civil government on behalf of the Jewish religious establishment even tough he was found innocent of all charges. He, the only innocent and sinless man that ever lived, the very Son of the living God, died a criminals death in our place to satisfy the justice that God requires of us all. All we need do is accept that sacrifice, and repent of our wicked ways continuing that repentance throughout the rest of our lives. In this way we may escape the judgment. When we stand before God’s bar of judgment, (as we all will) the ‘books’ will be opened. When our name is found to be “written in the book of life” our redemption is assured, our judgment averted and we will pass into our eternal reward of peace with the Lord of all creation. If we are not found listed we will suffer the judgment and will likewise be passed into an eternal reward earned by the sin we reveled in during our Human existence. Jesus Christ provided the only hope of escaping our true ‘just reward’ for the life we lived. We cannot hope to be ‘good’ enough to merit salvation of our own accord. Only the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, “the only begotten son of God”, (John 3:16) is acceptable to God to atone for us. He was crucified in our place and then was raised from the dead to life everlasting and will return to the Earth again to rule and reign. We can be sure of this as he was witnessed over and over again after his resurrection by those who had seen him die from crucifixion. These eye witness accounts along with the entire history of the prophecy, birth and life of Jesus Christ are contained in the Holy Bible. Read it and be edified. Ignore it at your eternal peril!
    Brit Hume merely pointed out that he has accepted, (as have I) these statements as truths to be considered by Tiger Woods, indeed by all who have or will live on the Earth.
    As a Christian he simply fulfilled the ‘Great Commission’ commanded of us by Jesus Christ to “go ye therefore and teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you, and lo I am with you always even unto the end of the world.” (Matthew 28:19, 20)
    Remember, you are required to choose. Choose now to live for God. Accept the sacrifice that Jesus Christ provided for you. We all have a conscious and once we know right from wrong we all know we have sinned. Atonement through Jesus Christ and repentance will release us from the guilt we inherently feel. Indeed it is the very foundation of Liberty.

    • usmadgirl

      Jerry,

      This has been the best comment on this topic. I just wanted to thank you!

    • Pat

      I missed your post earlier, Jerry, but “thank-you”; you said all that those who have yet to make a “choice” regarding whether they accept or reject Yahshua, needs to understand. To “take a stand” as Brit did as well as many here who have expressed their respect for Brit’s “Christian” Belief and offerings of a forgiving Father, is very blatently, frowned upon. But then, Yahshua was also ridiculed and persecuted and then punished because of His beliefs, with crucifixion. None of any of the ‘put-downs’ expressed by those who don’t profess the Belief of a Savior, matter to me – those of us who DO Believe The Scriptures to be Truth and have accepted the Salvation of a JUST Messiah, KNOW that one day, we WILL enjoy Eternity WITH HIM. AMEN? Praise Yahweh!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Very good. Thank you sir.

  • trust no one

    there is no mention of the separation of church and state in the constitution, but freedom of religion is in the bill of rights and tiger woods has a right to be a hindu if he so chooses, just as brit hume has a right to be a christian ,and they both have freedom of speech in this country so what’s the big deal it is just another example of the sort of useless thing to cause us argue and keep each other from working together to better our country.Tiger woods problems really only concern him, his wife,his family,and his employers (sponsors) wether he changes or not is his own business.

  • nhel

    PRAISE THE LORD FOR BRIT HUME AND THE MESSAGE HE GOT OUT OF GOD’S LOVE AND FORGIVENESS . IF THEY WONT TO PLAY THE CLIP OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT IS GOOD. MAYBE SOMEONE WHO SEES IT THAT HAS NEVER HEARD OF GOD’S LOVE OR FORGIVENESS WILL GET SAVED. I DO NOT THINK IT IS BOTHERING BRIT HUME. HE IS A STRONG CHRISTIAN AND CAN TAKE ALL THEIR STONES THEY ARE THROWING. THE LORD SAYS WE ARE TO LOVE OUR ENEMIES AND PRAY FOR THOSE WHO PERSECUTE US .
    IN CHINA THEY ARE BEING KILLED FOR THEIR FAITH AS WELL AS OTHER PLACES AROUND THE WORLD. WE ARE FORTUNATE THEY ARE ONLY TELLING US HOW MUCH THEY HATE US, SO FAR .

  • NHEL

    PRAISE THE LORD FOR A STRONG MAN WHO HAS FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST AND WILL STAND UP FOR HIS FAITH. WE ARE TO EXPECT THE LORD SAYS FOR PEOPLE TO REVILE US AND PERSECUTE US FOR OUR FAITH . YET WE ARE TO PRAY FOR AND LOVE THOSE WHE DO.

  • patricia fleming

    I congratulate Mr. Hume for having the courage to say the truth when he knew, I am sure, the fire storm his words would cause. Mr. Hume is in good company causing fire storms: the Disciples and all those who told and continue to tell of the peace Christ can give.

    I pray that Mr. Hume will continue giving the GOOD NEWS to those who are in such need!

    May I say that I am so very proud of FoxNews for allowing him to say the truth about the Christian faith. That’s a big reason FoxNews is so much better that the rest of the news programs!!!

    I thank you, both.

  • http://yahoo.com Godson Nzeadu

    Hi
    Congratuation to Fox News and Hume for standing for the truth! But don’t expect Santan to congratulate you for standing for Jesus. He persecuted Jesus and led him to the cross, he persecuted the disciple and scatered them through out Asia, Europe and and Africa. He will continue to do that over the liberal Media and every wwhre. Do not fear for your reward is great! My brother Wood do not allow them to bare you from taking heed to the word.

    • Norm

      Truth like beuty is in the eye of the beholder.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        BEAUTY.

  • Oscar

    I am a 52 year old South American who was born Catholic. We even have our Catholic Religion as part of our mandatory classes -The class is simply called Religion- It is mandatory and it is taught from grade 1 to 11. As you can see in any encyclopedia, we Latin Americans give practically no room for any non-Christian religion. In percentage, we hold by far the most Christian denomination nations of the planet.
    In our religion it does not matter what we do or how we behave, our acts always end up in god’s absolution of our sins. Whatever we do wrong gets wiped out by going to church and expressing our act of faith, well sometimes we need the confession of our sins….. It is so, so bad that all and I mean absolutely all the DRUG dealers and DRUG traffickers in Colombia and Mexico are Christian Catholic. Prostitutes take the holy Friday off, and many of them even take the entire holy week off to go to church, gays and transvestites express their Christian faith publically. All the paramilitaries, hit men and more than half of the member of the leftist guerrilla in Colombia are Catholic or members of any other Christian denomination, in Fact HUGO CHAVEZ is a Christian. We have a very high number of single mothers with several children from different fathers, and adultery is basically a normal thing to see everywhere. Thus, whatever happened to Tiger Woods is a normal thing that I have seen in Colombia, Brazil, Mexico, Venezuela and in less degree in some other Christian countries including the Caribbean…..Christian NATIONS. The only difference between Tiger Woods and us is that we get absolved every Sunday in church and can go back and sin again and again, just like the DRUG TRAFFICKERS do by killing and sending Drugs to the USA. Therefore Christianity is the most suitable FAITH for everybody who wants to do whatever he wants without any consequences, not like those CRAZY Muslims that would kill us for a bunch of things that we do over and over….. This is why, I understand that Tiger Woods should get out of that religion and come to ours.

    • American Citizen

      There are CINO’s just as there are RINO’s and DINO’s, Christian or Catholic in name only, Republican in name only, Democrat in name only, etc. We cannot judge a religion by those who claim to be a member but don’t act the part. As for being forgiven, our sins are forgiven if we are TRULY sorry.. That also mean we are to do our best not to commit them again.

      • Norm

        I agree. Many so called Christians use religion like a reset button. When they amass too many “sins” they say some prayers, or become reborn, and then continue in the same way that they always have and always will.

        • Claire

          Yes, there are people like that. They raise hell (drunkeness, fighting. DUIs, etc.) on friday and saturday nights, then they go to church on Sunday and ask for forgiveness. They repeat this over and over again then when they get into trouble, it is like “What happened.” If a person chooses a certain religion, that is up to them. If a person chooses to live they way they do, that is up to them. Although I agree with what Brit Hume said about Tiger, I will also say Tiger is free to choose the religion he wants. We all have that right. (I know my husband is anxiously waiting for Tiger to get back to golfing.)

          • Claire

            This is off the subject, but what about Michael Vick?? The notorious dog killer? Now he is with the Philadelphia Eagles. I was very disappointed that he was signed with the Eagles. But it is what it is and yes, he did go to prison and rightly so. I have to admit I love my dogs and I despise the cruelty that Vick did to his dogs. Now this is someone that needs God in his life, but there again, it is not my place to tell him this. I hope and pray he does not fall back into his cruel ways.

          • Joe H.

            Claire,
            The Lord said to ask for his forgiveness and try to sin no more!! The people you speak of are not trying to sin no more! As we all know, Jesus was the only one to walk this earth and not sin!!! To breath is to sin!!! You can only strive to do no sin you can never do no sin!!!

          • Claire

            JoeH–I know what you say is true but sometimes I cannot understand the cruelty–to people or to animals. I know a lot of “dog” people, and I know one of the ladies that was involved with rescuing Vick’s dogs she spent a lot of time trying to rehabilitate them. She said it was bad. The dogs were horribly abused. The evilness bothers me.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Norm, man I agree totally with you. I totally agree. Its a shame Norm, that many think that knowing Jesus is a license to sin, and that is so wrong. Its very damning to the church, and it keeps so many away. And so often Norm, it comes from people in high visible places, like these TV pastors who are in it for nothing more than money. But thats not Christianity, but unfortunatley, people that dont know, see this crap, and think that it is. Humans are fallible, greedy creatures, and in the name of everything there is someone out to try to get rich. I sometimes wonder why Jesus tolerates them doing this in His name, but its because we have His word, the Holy Bible, and we should know better. I mean, I can pick these full of baloney false prophets out right away. I see them by the fruits they bear. But someone who doesnt know Jesus in their heart, they dont see this guys for what they are. And so many go to church, and think that they can sin all week long, and as long as they go to church on Sunday, its all good. Dont lose sight Norm, that church is for sinners. And it is full of them, and Im one of them. But going to church on Sunday is just the start of the week. Church, a lot of people think, is where you go to get forgiven and start over each week. Not so. Church is where you go, where God is resting on the 7th day, and we are to go in there and worship and praise him from the bottom of our heart, and carry Him with us throughout the week everywhere we go and in everything we do. Going to church is for Him, for us to come praise Him and thank Him, not for us to go to have Him work on us. So many have it backwards. So many use it as a crutch for sinning. Its amazing you as a unbeliever can see that, yet many that go and do just that, do not see it. Good point Norm, and I agree whole heartedly with you.

    • Antonieta

      Oscar: I am Hispanic and a practicing Catholic. You could be right that all those people call themselves Catholic/Christian and don’t really believe. However, everyone knows that it is not what you do on the outside and that God knows what is in your heart when you have sinned and whether you have truly repented. So let those sinners call themselves Christians just because they go to church. “True” believers know that once we ask for forgiveness we are to go and sin no more. Besides isn’t it better for those hypocrites to be in church and maybe they will hear something that will make them truly change. The sinners belong in church trying to change their ways. It makes no sense that only “saints” should be in church. In the meantime, go ahead and go to church yourself, there is always room for one more hypocrite.

      • libertytrain

        Excellent reply – thanks

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        God Bless you, Antoinette! Superby stated!

        Fed Up Gal

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You are so right. Church is for us sinners. As long as we are wearing flesh, we are going to succumb to sin. We dont want to, and we dont plan to, but it happens, and we try our best to turn away from it and not repeat it. But unfortunately, our humaness gets in the way quite often. Come to church to worship and praise God for all he has given us, and take Him out with us into the World, into our Jobs, into our daily lives, and live Him daily, not just on Saturday night or Sunday in the church buildings. We believers are the church.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I got some news for you. These drug dealers and prostitutes and the others you mention, they PROPOSE that they are Christians and Catholics, but they are not. Actions speak louder than words, and when their actions are having them do these illegal and nasty things, they are not Christians at all. They are phonies, and you need to recognize them as such. If I tell you Im a major league baseball player, and I go to a stadium, does that mean Im a major league baseball player? No it doesnt. What we do makes us what we are, and dealing drugs and sellings ones body for sex, is not what Christians do. Sorry, this is all wrong.

  • Elaine Field

    Brit – you are in good company. Paul tells us in 2 Timothy 1:8 and 9
    “Do not be ashamed then of testifying to our Lord, nor of me (Paul) his prisoner, but take your share of suffering for the gospel in the power of God, who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not in virtue of works but in virtue of his own purpose and the grace which he gave us in Christ Jesus ages ago.”

    2 Timothy 2:11-13 “If we have died with Him we shall also live with Him; if we endure, we shall also reign with Him; if we deny Him, he also will deny us; if we are faithless, He remains faithful – for He cannot deny Himself. Our Lord is smiling on you, Brit!

  • Byron M Hunt

    What ever happened to “SIN”? Christ is the answer for sins. As people search for real peace they are overlooking the ONE who brings peace. I’m glad Brit Hume reminded Tiger of the real answer to the problem of “SIN”. Why are the various personalities angry? Because they have been reminded of their sins, but want to go their own ways. The Father God loves them all through Christ. May they find the peace that Jesus gives.

  • Mark C.

    Typical… A so called Christian sees an opportunity to grab a man when they are down. What business is it of anyone else which religion Tiger chooses, and what makes Brit Hume think Tiger wanted his religious advice on a public forum. Christians wonder all the time why so many of us are sick of hearing your fairy tales being pushed on others, and you’ve taken an excellent example of this with Brit Hume and applauded it. If he was so worried about Tiger, he might have tried calling him and expressing his thoughts one on one, instead of taking the chance to do it over the airwaves to try and show how Christianity is (as always) the only path, and the other religions are just wrong. Your numbers are dying down, and the approach toward others beliefs will only ensure that will continue. Congrats.

    I was raised in a Christian family, but all I have seen from the religion and those who claim to be Christians is hypocrisy, and preying on people during hard times.

    • Smilee

      I could not agree with you more, I was listening when Brit made thwaat statement and in also seemed to me to lack true sincerity and appeared scripted which suggests to me it was intended to help in their ratings and it probably has

    • Norm

      Mark C
      Right on! I wonder how these Christians would have reacted if a Buddist told them to seek Buddism for forgiveness.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I guarantee you nothing would have been said, and we wouldnt have this post. Same thing if some mulla said he should become a muslim. Not a word would have been said. Not a word. Why you are all so scared of Jesus I dont understand. I mean there will come a day for fear, but its not now.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Then you need to go to a different church. The people in the church should be reaching out to give and to share, not to take and to gain. If they are doing that, then you need to run from them, but dont let them chase you away from the love of Jesus. Satan has put hypocrites all over in churches for that very purpose, to keep others out. Dont let him to this to you.

  • http://Windowslivehotmail Betty Betts

    I think Brit Hume is one of the BEST men on Foxnews and in the field of comentaters he can’t be beat. I have watched him for years and I hope he will be seen more often on Fox. He used to do the Sunday show and I don’t understand why Brit doesn’t do more TV.
    Brits comments about Tiger Woods show what a fine caring person he is. He did not attack Tiger but gave him some good advice. Thank you for your support of Brit. I watch Fox all the time “fair and balanced”.
    Foxnews is THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS. Betty Betts Desert Hot Springs,Ca. missbaby01@hotmail.com

  • James Corbin

    Go Mr. Hume, Seems to me as though Tiger could use a little christanity. Tiger, has a problem!!!!!!!!

  • Corky Forbes

    I’ve enjoyed everyones comments, especially Jerry’s description of Christ and His reason for our salvation. I’m a former agnostic and today a beleiver in God and His eccepting me into His family. We need more people like Brit Hume to stand up for the truth. God bless all of you and I prayer those living in the darkness of their sins will see the light and join us in paradise some day.

    John 3:16-21
    16″For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”

    • Joe H.

      Corky,
      Welcome to the family of God!!!! may God Bless your opening of your heart!!! I still work on mine daily and will forever!!!

      • Norm

        Joe H.
        I think you should explore Buddism, Hinduism, or maybe Shinto. Who knows, you may be barking up the wrong tree.

        • Joe H.

          Norm,
          No thank you! I have my Lord in my heart and that is all I need!!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I would tell Joe to save his energy, as I allready did this Joe, and Christianity is where you want and need to be. You see Norm, I was mad at God, really mad, and I totally rejected Him. I ran away, and I searched for answers in Buddism, Mormon, Wicca, Witchcraft, Hinduism, confucianism, toasism, druidism, enkankar, Islam and a few others, and all I found empty of a living God, that kept taking me back to the One living God, Jesus Christ. He is the only one that never went into the ground and rotted. The only one that beat death. You all can have any dead saviour you want to follow or worship, but me, Im taking the only One that is alive and well, and the only one that is coming back again, The Lord Jesus Christ. Search it all out, then you will have a true stick to measure with. I did. Other than that, you are speculating. Ive done my homework, have you?

    • Pat

      Taking the time today to READ all these “comments” today, and I just want to “thank-you” for your testimoney, Corky – BLESSINGS to you and yours! We WILL “see” each other in Paradise one day! PRAISE Yahweh!

  • Dietrich Buss

    The foaming at the mouth of the liberal media at Hume’s objective statemnts of the the spiritual benefits of Christianity shows you that they hate the Gospel message. They dress up their hate in politically correct terms, but the plain fact is they despise the central Christian message of Christ’s redeeming love and his forgiveness of sins to all who repent. When one of their own media people, in this case Brit Hume, speaks favorably of what the Gospel could do for Tiger Woods, these liberal media commentators go ballistic. They can’t bear to hear the truth; the best they can do is to foam at the mouth spewing hate and derisive and dismissive commentary.

    • Norm

      There is absolutely nothing objective about religion. It is faith not fact.

      • DaveH

        Like most Liberal beliefs.

        • Norm

          Conservative and Libertine as well. Thank God for the scientific thought process.

      • Yandle

        It’s faith in fact!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        It is fact Norm. Everything said in it is the truth, and the world has recovered so many things that the Bible has mentioned, and it has been proven to be historically correct in every matter ever researced in it. Science has spent billions trying to disprove it and prove evolution, but they just cant do it. You can believe that a bird pooped on a rock, and the sun fermented it, and you stood up and walked out of that pile, but Im not buying into that baloney. I know Im created, and there is nothing else like me. I have come to know Jesus Christ personally, and He lives inside me. Until you realize that its a God thing, and you invite Him in, youll never know what your missing. The truth is awesome, and it sets you free. You should try it.

  • Gregory

    Are things better without school prayer??? No.. Are things better without corporal punishment?? No.. This country was founded on Christian principles. In fact the intention of the founding fathers in regards to separation of church and state was intended to keep the state out of the church rather than the church out of the state. However, the words are religion and not promoting the establishment of such. That the constitution does not say anything about separation of church and state. That is one of those myths that if it is said enough then it becomes fact.
    Karen seems pretty level headed, live and let live kind of person. But, most Christians are the same. We try to live our lives and raise our children up in the way we think they should go. Most activists liberals are either blatant atheists or young people. There is the old saying that there’s something wrong with you if you are not liberal in your 20′s and before you have children, and equally so if you are not conservative by your mid to late 30′s. If you’ve always been conservative, then you were probably strict in your faith. Who wouldn’t want life without consequences when we are in our teens and 20′s?? Party down, sleep around, we need all nude strippers, alcohol, etc. It’s when we settle down and have a family that we get conservative real fast because we know that we barely survived to have a family and certainly don’t want our children doing what we did!! I think most Christians have their wild side and wild stage, but the fact is most of us don’t live it. We may partake(sin) on occasion, but we know we are doing wrong and don’t make a habit of it. Of course one who transgresses in the public eye that claims to be christian is lambasted by the media and called a hypocrite. It is more that their actions are hypocritical, but it doesn’t mean they don’t know they are doing wrong. Religion in general and Christianity in particular give people a moral compass. The past generations of murder etc. at the hands of Christians has no place in today’s society. It is muslim extremists who are perpetrating most of the violence and mostly against Christians and Jews of course. It was Muhammad who rode into town and proclaimed “Convert or Die”. His religion is intolerant of all others. Most Christians and Jesus himself want choice and want to live where we have choice, but we have just as much right to fight for what we believe in as liberals do. I don’t like Rush, or Glenn Beck, but I don’t like KO or RM either. I have noticed that CNN is asking hard questions to democrats as of late. I believe that their ratings are falling and they needed to become more centrist. I don’t think you should expect someone to wear there religion on their sleeve as a member of the media, but I also don’t think that you should ask them to work for people who don’t believe as they do and expect them to take a view they do not support. This is why the media is always said to be Leftist. Not too many Christians are going to go on the air and put down their religion, which they would be required to do by most of the networks. The problem with the media is they have the power to sway public opinion. Liberalism favors free speech, is sexier, scandalous, etc. Liberals would say that you Christians brainwashed the people through out history and now it’s their turn. The media plays the ratings game. The wars we fight are not winnable because the media reports nothing good and always gives the insurgents their 15 minutes of fame. Ask a serviceman and he’ll tell you of all the good we’ve done in Iraq and Afghanistan, but good news doesn’t sell. In other words they self perpetuate the news by always reporting the bad. WWII would not be winnable today. Most soldiers would tell a liberal to thank a soldier for fighting to protect their right to burn the flag and protest the wars they fight. They are the real heroes. Freedom makes our country great, but the principles of our founding fathers also make us great and we have strayed off the path. Enough for now.

    • Smilee

      No.. Are things better without corporal punishment??

      Greg

      I don’t know but it sounds like you might be in need of some.

      • Joe H.

        Smilee,
        careful there son, he might have to smite thee mightily for your transgressions against him!!!!

        • Norm

          You Christian extremists are great at smiteing. The Christian Nazis smote 6 million Jews. Damn they not believe in Christ.

          • Joe H.

            ABnorm,
            Where the heck did you come to the conclusion that Nazi Germany was Christian???? It was anything BUT!!!! You are WAY out in left field on that one son!!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            The nazi’s were as anti-Christ as they come Norm. Where you been, in a cave? They killed the jews because they thought themselves to be the master race, hardly a Christian thing. We Christians think less of our selves and more of others, that is why we give and serve others less fortunate than ourselves. I serve and I give Norm, and quite generously. Do you? Just curious. I hope you do. I wish we all did.

        • Smilee

          I see you are not making any progress on your ability to think

          • Joe H.

            And I see that you have not progressed in YOUR ability to think as well. you only keep repeating the same thing over and over!!! Much like the definition of insanity, The process of repeating the same actions over and over and expecting a different outcome!!!

          • Smilee

            Joe

            I am starting to believe you are really incapable of any other outcome, I was not really expecting it from you so I will keep repeating it as often as you make those irrational and sometimes X rated statements, you do sometimes hit below the belt again demonstrating you total inability to engage in open and honest rational discourse

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Smilee, please stop judging Joe. He has made some very accurate and truthful statements, and you find fault with everything he does. Stop judging him please, and be a human being for a change.

      • Greg

        My wife taught school for a while. They had a do not paddle list for those liberal parents. Guess who acted up in class?? When I was in school we lived in fear of the pain of the paddle. It was always there, but there were very few cases where it was needed..Kids just knew it was there, so they sat down, and shut up!! Now, some kids threaten to call child services if there parents spank them. Cameras everywhere we look may catch a spanking and lead to a child being taken away from their parents. Kids can be out of control, and most importantly they can do things that put them in grave danger. This is when I am most likely to yell at my kids or even give them a swat on the butt, and make no mistake, I rarely if ever spank my kids, and I am not a child abuser by any means. But, I’m arguing with someone who is always right. Did you read my whole post?? This forum is a perfect example of why it is time for revolution. The country is polarized, so if so many people want to be like Europe, then lets start forming countries out of our state, so we can all live what we believe rather than being forced to abstain from or accept beliefs we strongly disagree with. It’s time, it can be peaceful, and it would sure make things better. What do you liberals think about that?? Rational talk only please. I’m sick of the name calling.

      • eyeswideopen

        Smilee, just last week, CNN had news flash stating that they have result of study showing that children who received spankings were more financially successful and emotionally well adjusted than those who didn’t. I always knew my dad was right….ha ha.

        • Smilee

          Were you rally that naughty, either way you sure turned out wiser that most on here

        • libertytrain

          The Wall Street Journal ran that article as well – I believe it mentioned that it was beneficial EXCEPT when the kids were older, like older than 11 or 12.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          My fathers spankings taught me not to do the wrong I was doing. In school, I was paddled when doing wrong, then when I came home, I got it again, because school would call home. It all taught me right from wrong, and I learned to respect those in charge at school. Now days, the kids in school have no respect for the teachers and authority, because they cannot do anything to them. Their parents at home are not disciplining them, and its a shame. Its no wonder education is suffering so much in this country. They spend more and more and more on schools, and the educations are getting worse and worse. Discipline would help quite a bit I do believe. And Ill bet eyes, that your parents like mine, only spanked us when we deserved it, and we learned from it, am I not right?

    • don

      What has all of this got to do with Tiger Woods and Brit Hume’s dialog?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Brit spanked Tiger and the liberals didnt like it.

  • Claire

    I agree with Brit Hume. One thing to think about–a person is given choices in life. You either make good choices or bad choices. You can live a good decent life or you can be a fool. It is called common sense unless the person is so enamored with his/herself that they can’t think of anything else and they think they can walk on water. There is always a day of reckoning. A person reaps what they sow.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Can you imagine walking in Tiger’s shoes? The temtations had to be tremendous. The feeling above others had to be there when you have been so successful, and everybody wants a piece of you, and your so famous and desired for advertisements. It had to be hard. The load he is carrying is tremendous. The burden of guilt for what he has done in wrecking his family and letting people down is a hard thing to carry. There is One that can alleviate all that, if he calls upon His name. I wish Tiger the best, and pray for him to overcome this, and come back as a better person. It is our trials in life that shape us and make us better, its just tough getting through them. I wish him the best, as I realize Im a flawed human being just like him, whether its 14 women, or 1 woman, or one lie or one thing stolen, a sin is a sin is a sin, and one is as bad as the other. And there is One that can forgive them all, and yes, I do pray and hope Tiger calls upon that name. I would like him to feel that burden lifted off his shoulders, as I know how it feels when that happens. Best to him.

  • Kathy

    We have all grown accustomed to Keith Olbermann’s looney left extreme remarks on just about everything. Dan Savage, what do you expect???, Jon Steward, just another liberal, Tom Shales – not funny – criticisms; David Shuster comments are absolutely wrong. We all have the right to free speech, but these people are totally out of line. Christianity means “Christ Like”, believe me not that we are Christ like, but to strive to be Christ Like, who is our loving God. When we get to heaven, we won’t even remember these remarks.

    • Curtis S

      Jon Stewart is about the only fair and balanced news source on TV. He absolutely ripped the democrats and Keith Olberman this week. I used to think Olberman was good, but he’s just as “fair and balanced” for the left as Faux is “fair and balanced” for the right.

      • DaveH

        So you get your news from a News Satire Program? That explains a lot.

        • Joe H.

          DaveH,
          We have all seen this week where liberal common sense gets you!! Bye Bye Air America!!!!!

        • Norm

          DaveH
          That’s where I get mine. It’s called Fox.
          Jon Steward is funny but he aint stupid.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Jon Stewart is a fake news reporter, concocted up from comedy skits. He is a caustic as it gets, and he just attacks anyone he talks about continually. Fair and balanced? Come on. He is a finger pointer who never gives a bit of credit to those he attacks. If your seriosly counting on him to give you accurate stories, your in big trouble.

  • John Dee

    It took 8 years for President Bush Junion to criple U. S. economy. PRESIDENT OBAMA NEED AT LEAST 8 TO 16 YEARS TO REBUILD IT. TO DESTROY A BUILDING ONLY LESS THAN A DAY IS NECESSARY. BUT TO BUILD IT WE NEED MANY MONTHS. SAME WAY OBAMA NEED REASONABLE TIME TO REBUILD U.S. ECONOMY AS PRESIDENT CLINTON REBUILT.

    • David

      You are nuts man. The country just sent obama and his liberal left a HUGE message from Mass. Obamacare, cap/trade, card check, now the fine on large banks (who already paid back the tarp money unlike gov. motors and AIG) would have destroyed the vary foundation of this country. He is now a lame duck….especially after Novemeber, thanks to all those independents!

      • Joe H.

        David,
        And the people of Mass. were well aware that O-man voted on all the things that crippled this countries economy before he became a president. (?)

        • Smilee

          Another Stupid Statement from Joe

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Another judgement of Joe by Smilee.

    • American Citizen

      You’ve got to be kidding. Obama and the Democrats have tripled the national debt within one year. They have piled more debt on us that all the other Presidents put together. If the Federal Government would just get out of the way, this economy would rebound much faster as it always has.

    • Gibby

      The Republicans left a HUGE dump, and you’re mad at Obama for flushing the toilet?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Really? 4 percent unemployment. Whats it at now? Bush cleaned up Clintons mess, and didnt go on TV pointing the finger and blaming him everyday, he just went to work and cleaned it up. I suggest Obama quit listening to his advisors telling him to blame Bush, and that he get to work. They will soon distance themselves from him and throw him under the bus, because he keeps listening to them.

    • Smilee

      Jon Dee,

      You are totally correct, but the right wingers on this sight are not capable of understanding this truth, the perfect example example is the WTC, its been over eight years now and where are they????

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        What, you mean letting the terrorists set up shop here under 8 years of Clinton, while he did nothing everytime they blew something up here? Like Clinton devastating our intelligence community, to the point that no one knew who was coming in and who was doing what? It was all Clinton, yet Bush had the class not to sit there and point fingers at all the failings of the previous admin. He went to work and started fighting back, something Clinton was afraid of. Now your lefty buddings are trying to make Iraq and Afghanistan fail, so they can point the finger and say look what Bush did. Wankers.

    • Greg

      Uh,,,,the economy goes in cycles. Remember the PC??? Everybody bought one in the mid to late 90′s, even your grandmother. However, at that time they cost a lot more than they do today. Granny doesn’t upgrade like us techies because her computer does what she wants it to do. The economy recovered because of the new technology and it also crashed at the end of Clinton’s 2nd term. Things were already getting bad before 9/11 and that certainly made it get worse fast. Remember, it was Clinton who could have taken out Bin Laden, but he let him go. So, one could certainly argue that Clinton caused 9/11 and all that came after.
      Politically, Christians now see the Republicans as the lesser of 2 evils. If we vote for some independent, then we are guaranteeing that a democrat is going to get elected. Ross Perot took votes away from Bush, thus giving Clinton the win. The most sacrilegious thing I see in politics today is how a Christian can be a Democrat. They are doing some serious rationalizing to identify them selves with that party. At least Republicans stand for something and don’t just lean with the wind. That being said, most politicians are career politicians and only work to get reelected. They don’t care about our problems because they have it made with retirement, health care,etc. They vote themselves a raise and spend our money on themselves without remorse. They are no different than the Politburo in the way they view the common man.

      Democrats: blow with the wind, pray on minorities for votes. Pro-abortion: No Christians can support abortion, this is where democratic Christians are really rationalizing. Support government social programs and transfer payments. Weak on foreign policy and slow to react to world events. (our enemies know this as well)

      Republicans: rich industrialists, pro business, free market, less government, strong defense. Anti-abortion, but don’t really do anything about it, so it’s just a make Christians feel good campaign point.

      Independents: Run on a limited, narrow minded platform that will never get them anywhere.

      Politics in general is just a job. The goal is to get in office and hold onto it as long as they can. As for getting anything done?? What’s their motivation?? We have one or 2 real choices, neither of which is good, so we vote with the one who best fits our religious views or lack thereof. If you’re are liberal and don’t agree with my political statements, then you just like to argue. I’m not happy with our government and if you are, then I hate it for the country that you can accept the corruption that is allowed to exist in the name of our Republic.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You tell the truth.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Lets set the record straight with facts here please. When George Bush took over from Bill Clinton, the economy was in the tank. The intelligence agencies had been gutted, as has the military. When 9-11 happened, Bush never went on TV and a national tour blaming Clinton for destroying our intelligence agency and causing this to happen. He never did press conference after press conference pointing the finger at Clinton and crying about the previous admin and blaming them for everything he was facing. No, he had a plan, and he implemented that plan, and he got us back on track, to where we had the highest number of people working ever at one time, the lowest unemployement levels ever, and the stock market at the highest levels its ever been. When Obama was politicking, all he kept saying was the economy is in the tank and its Bush’s fault. May I remind you, that at that time, the economy was still performing at a higher level than it did during any time in the Clinton admin. Ever. And you guys made him out to be so good. When Bush left, unemployment was 4 percent. Obama has it into double digits and rising, and wait until the dems take away the Bush tax cuts which is coming soon. Another couple of million are going to join the unemployed ranks. And still, the fingers are pointing, and you uneducated believe it, instead of researching this and getting your facts straight. Now you can attack me, call me names, do anything you want, but you cannot change the facts of history, so get over it. This is off subject here I know, but I wasnt going to let this liberal get away with this blatant lies. He stated opinion, I have stated fact.

  • Ruth Ernst

    After reading all of the above comments, all I can say to those who scoff, the bible says: Be not deceived, God is not mocked. There is a payday someday

  • Ruth Ernst

    After having read all of the above comments, I have one thing to say:
    The bible says, “do not be deceived, God is not mocked”, there will be a payday someday!

  • Rob K

    Oscar, You nailed it! That should have been the end of this thread!

  • Mariom Freuthal

    Right on Bob. Kudos to Brit Hume for his advice to Tiger Woods. I am a liberal Christian who loves Jesus and everything he stood for.

    I also believe that there is no “right” religion. There are many paths to God represented by many religions and they all deserve respect. All religions lead to the top of the mountain or God.

    Christianity is one of the few that speaks of forgiveness and God willing, Tiger Woods will think about what Brit Hume said to him.

    • Mike

      Mariom,
      You “love Jesus and all that he stood for”, H-M-M-M? Didn’t he say,”I am the Way, the Truth and the Life”…not “among a whole bunch of differring ways, one of the individually applicable philosophies to choose from and continuum of living,death and reindamnation”. It is written in I Timothy 1:3, “…Charge some that they teach no other doctrine.” Jesus Christ was so adamant about the Old Testament being his template for thinking he was willing to endure torture and a humiliating death for it. Paul wrote that the gospel he taught would stand until “the day of Christ”. Few denominations believe that. Tuff.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The wide path is taken by many, but the narrow path, through Jesus Christ is the only way to God. He who has the Son, has the Father. He who does not have the Son, does not have the Father. There is only one name in Heaven by which men are saved, the name of Jesus Christ the Lord. Thats it. One name.

  • http://Reply Kathy K.

    What Brit Hume said is without a doubt the most important thing he has ever said or will ever say in all of his life! We must always care less about what others think about us and more about what God thinks about us. Well done good and faithful servant!

  • Betty Grimm

    I say more power to Britt Hume. That is what all we christians should do more of. Not be ashamed of our Lord and Saviour. I think more of those on Foxs News should speak out like Britt. God said if my people would humbe theirselves and call on me I will pour out a blessings that they can’t contain. God is so good and I along with the other christians in the USA should stand up for what is right. If we do that then this nation will be changed and we worth living here, if we don’t it is going to fail. God is still in control and he is trying to show our leader that he will let them go just as far as he wants them to. Keep up the good work Britt. God bless you for all you do.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Well, Brit Hume was correct in his assessment that Tiger needs to become a Christian, if for nothing else, to take the burden of sin off of him for doing this. Only confessing a sin to Jesus Christ is the only way to rid one self of it. I am speaking from knowledge of the Bible, and from personal experience. When I became born again, it was unbelievable how I felt the weight of the world lifted from me. For those of you who havent ever bowed down, and asked Jesus Christ for forgiveness, and actually experienced the power of the Holy Spirit entering into you, this is all nonsense to you. But for those of us who reached a point, where we knew we needed help, and called on His name, He came and entered into us. Some of you say “blind faith”, and some say “baloney”, but you cannot possible understand this “God” thing, until you live it. Once you ask Him into your life, and to forgive your sins, something definately happens, and you feel it and are aware of it, and all things are new. Your eyes and ears are opened as the Bible talks about, and you finally understand just what that means, allthough youve read it before, now you understand it. Its not of this world, so its very, very difficult for non-believers to understand. I know. I was one of them for 40 years. And also, some of you think I, as a Christian, should somehow be perfect and sinless, you are gravely mistaken. Ill be a sinner as long as Im wearing flesh, which will be all my days on earth. Im a dummy, and I get led amuck and I fall, and I fail miserably far too many times. But I know where to go for forgiveness, and I know where the strength lies to get strong and to get better, and I do each and every day. Whether you like Tiger or dont like Tiger, or believe in God or dont believe in God, Im telling you the straight facts. Tiger Woods needs Jesus Christ in his life, as he is carrying a very heavy burden right now, that has destroyed people, and he needs this burden lifted. Buddhism cant do it, or Islam or any other religion. Only by the name of Jesus Christ can sins be forgiven. If you have an issue with this, take it up with God. My arms arent long enough to box with Him.

    • eyeswideopen

      Bebe, please start ministering to Ensign, Vitter and Stamford. They truly need help.

      • Joe H.

        eyes,
        are you giving an unsolicited opinion?? I thought you were against that AND judging people???

        • eyeswideopen

          Joe, I’m trying to change and be like you guys who will demean in public and offer my advice without being asked. But my venue is small compared to cable tv.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Im sorry you take it as demeaning, when someone shares the truth to a better life. Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life. There is no way to God except through Him. If you find that demeaning, Im sorry.

  • Antonieta

    Just to affirm what many said: Our constitution only stated that the government must not establish a religion, in other words that the people could worship freely: “freedom of religion.” It has been changed by the liberals that we should be “free of religion” and they have been trying to destroy our country through the ACLU. Starting by taking religion out of the schools when in the beginning the public schools were started to make sure the children read the Bible. Look it up! It’s hard to believe but that is the truth. Thank God for Brit Hume who exercised his freedom of speech.

    • Smilee

      Antonieta

      Is it not a sin to lie, It was the supreme court that took public prayer out of public schools not the ALCU, They have interpreted the first amendment to mean that and the I think I know better far right wingers still claim their interpretation of the first amendment is correct even though the court has given this legal weight to the first amendment, is this not also a lie on yours and their part.

      • jim

        Hi Smilee, Anybody who thinks there is no prayer in public school hasn’t been there during finals week.

        • eyeswideopen

          Jim, funny, I hear you. lol

        • Smilee

          Ditto eyes

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Smilee,

            Careful, riding too close behind EYES…not sure there’s a reverse back-up horn to worn you prior to impact!

            Fed Up Gal

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        But does that not infringe on someones right to practice their religion? The constitution guarantee’s they wont force me to practice what they want me to practice, but why cant I be in school and pray to God, and those who want to pray with me to pray also? Doesnt the government forbidding this, violate my right to freely practice my religion? It seems that way to me. And didnt the ACLU petition the supreme court to get this law?

  • http://mysteresmoonbatslayerclub.blogspot.com Edward

    Brit Hume took a bold stance, and literally angered Satan and his cast of minions with his plea to Tiger Woods. I come from a Buddhist background, and Brit is right – there is nothing that Buddhism offers regarding forgiveness. The Buddhists believe that once you die, you must take a path full of crossroads for 40 days after your death, and then arrive to either “Nirvana” (their version of heaven) or a place of torment, depending on which road you followed after death. Contrast that with God’s truth, where Jesus said “I Am the Way, The Truth, and the Light. No man comes to the Father except through Me.” What a huge difference. And yet the left find fault with Brit for stating what he knows! Shame on those who attacked Brit Hume for what he said, and let’s hope that God awakens them before each one who attacked Brit faces Him on their dates of Death!

  • Rusty

    What is the point of naming ones belief.
    I will never understand how anyone can blindly believed without knowing what may have happened before hand. I say that for any type belief. The bible is made up of stories that happened then it does not prove there is a god by no means. Blind faith seems to be the rule of all. The man Jesus Christ is no more the son of god than I am. we’re all said gods children right that is what the Christians believe right. So what is the logical point then. If that were the case what would Adam and eve be. Adam supposedly being the first man created would that not be the first son of god I’m not seeing the point here. But I guess that is how one interprets the bible. There have been so many interpretations of who said what and when that nobody really knows anything so how can anyone really be sure. There was a longtime before the idea of Christianity came along. the idea of having a person save everybody is not new either when trouble times are upon them. Just open a book that deals with the prior times before the man jesus christ came along you will be surprised what you find, time did exist before christianity came along but i know that will not happen because their has been a mass brainwashing of people to believe in only one way or you are going straight to hell. guilt fear & damnation, well that really makes me want to believe. As for all you name calling loving christains that seem to want death on all that do not believe & question thanks for that judgement of others I thought that was sin. I dont care what one whats to believe in but you need to know WHAT YOUR BELIEVING IN. if one is trying to sell the idea of a God Blind Faith is not a very good argument to have. I say it would very arrogant of anyone if having such great power to create just for the sake of saying look what i can do & then turning around & making those that were created to kneel down to whorship. Why would any creator say no to knowledge, that would be like putting a child into this world you are here but you cant learn anything or i will curse you for all times, for doing so. what sence does this make. We all answer to ourselves its called self guilt, we pay for what we do no matter what. We are all equal at the time of death anyway no matter what ones belief is or if one does not believe.

    • Lisa Hathaway

      For someone who doesn’t believe in “naming one’s belief,” you just did a fine job of naming yours. Clearly, you are an athiest. Your letter is full of Scriptural errors, like we’re “all” God’s children. That is not true. For the Bible teaches that only born-again believers in Jesus Christ have earned the RIGHT to be called children of God. We are all made in the image of God, true, but NO WAY is an unbeliever a child of God. The Bible calls unbelievers “children of the devil”. Your ignorance is showing, my friend. Suggest you do your research before you start spouting off. Please think about what I’m saying and start reading your Bible. Brit Hume has it right. May God bless him for his boldness and courage to speak the truth. Brit is NOT too Christian for TV. We need more like him.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And you my friend, seriously under estimate the power of God. You see things on an earthly level only, which us understandable, because you dont know God. I was you for 40 years, so I know where your coming from. But you havent been where Im at, so you dont understand me, but I hope you will consider just maybe there is something to what Im saying. The Bible says “though they have ears they do not hear, and though they have eyes, they do not see”. It also says that in accepting Jesus Christ as our saviour, that our eyes and ears are opened. When I did this, I tell you, my eyes and ears were truly opened, and the truth of God was revealed to me, as it was to all that have called upon His name. That is how I know it is all true. It has truly been revealed to me. Now the Bible also says, “The cross is foolishness to those who are perishing”. But it is everything to those of us who are saved. If you ever reach that moment Rusty, just cry out to Him, and ask Him to reveal Himself to you, and oh boy, yes He will, and you will be changed forever. Have a good day.

  • Lois

    Praise God for Brit Hume, he was correct to point Tiger to a way of life that would be fulfilling, not empty searching for worldly things that could fulfill him. Jesus is the fulfiller, The Omega and the End. Christians need to stand up for what they believe and tell it like it is. It is our responsibility to tell the world about Jesus as we will be held accountable for not testifying about HIM.

  • http://LibertyDigest Jim

    People who don’t believe in GOD, will believe anything else you tell them!
    Eccles 10 v2
    A wis mans heart inclineth to his right hand, A fools heart inclineth to his left. deal with it!

    • Karen

      Interesting. I’m a right handed lefty. Where do I fit in? What about my friend, Joe, who is a left handed righty?

      Well, at least I can spell words like “wise” (so can Joe, by the way).

      • Claire

        Karen–it makes you a person that stands up for what she/he believes in.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Thank you Karen for being a real person on your posts. Though we see somethings different, you are an adult in the things you say, and you are above the name calling and juvenile posts that go on in here. Thank you.

  • http://Personallibertydigest R.Rupp

    We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God. Mankind has not always followed the principles that has been set forth by the Holy Bible, God’s word. People who used the shortcomings of others to not have faith in God and His son who paid the penalty for sin, will be judged by the law, because all have broken the law in their life and will be held accountable for their sins. Think of that..when you want to use others as your excuse. You are responsible for your own choices.
    I Clapp and God bless Brit Hume for his encouragement and hope.
    On the flip side Muslims threaten even their own if they leave their religion.

  • Sylvia Keppy-Dow

    Thank you Brit Hume for speaking the truth. We do not hear that enough. Now we are told to just be tolerant of others and their radical beliefs.. Excuse me!!! I do not have to tolerate anyone or their beliefs that want to destroy the USA and/or make us into a 3rd world nation. More Christian in broadcasting need to speak up and speak the truth.

  • patriotflame

    Praise the Lord for men like Brit Hume and for Fox News, the only media outlet that tells the truth about the socialist, marxist, communists that our present leader (sorry I can’t bring myself to call him P of the United States of America). He’s a bad joke pretending to know what he is doing and actually has no clue. We’ve got to pay attention to the kind of person we are voting for or we will wind up with a anti-God anti-American socialist like we have in Obama. Pray that God will deliver us through this nightmare of tax evaders running our country’s finances, congressmen voting on disgusting bills without even reading them, and people that don’t understand that seperation of church and state was seen as a way to keep GOVERNMENT FROM INFRINGING ON OUR FREEDOM OF RELIGION and not forcing us to worship the way they want us to. To keep government from having any thing to say about how we worship or making ANY RULES REGARDING RELIGION.

  • Dale, Oklahoma

    I recently watched an episode of the PBS program “Religion and
    News Ethics” that reported on a Buddhist monastery somehwere in
    the orient that were concerned with the deforestation of their
    surrounding woods. Now granted, I’m not a big fan of clear cutting
    or completely depriving the planet of forests. But what these
    Buddhist monks were doing to fight the cutting down of trees
    was downright loony. They were wrapping huge ceremonial monk
    robes around the trees and ORDAINING the trees and calling them
    “sentient beings”?!?
    Now I don’t presume to know the mind of Christ and what he would
    do in a similar situation. But if a bunch of Christian leaders
    started “ordaining” trees and referred to them as “senient”, I
    would think that they where nuts too.
    Listen, we should all love and honor and protect everything in
    GOD’s glorious creation. But if these Buddhist monks I saw are any
    indication of the New Age Planet worship of the environmentalist
    whackos, then I do think Tiger Woods SHOULD cut down his ties to
    Buddhism and try Christianity for a saner and truer path to
    enlightenment and forgiveness.

    • Smilee

      I saw that show to, you missed its point, they used a religious act to make a political statement as a means of saving the trees and not as a religious act as you suggest. It had some success

  • ALIEN

    I follow the creator of mankind. The one who put the DNA MADE UP of characters>letters. Had to come only from a higher intelligence. I am a Jew BORN OF GOD’ SPIRIT a completed Jew and I follow the Messiah of Israel WHO CAME TO SHOW US THE FACE OF THE CREATOR..GOD SAID SEARCH FOR ME WITH YOUR WHOLE HEART MIND AND SOUL AND YOU WILL FIND ME. I DID. THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD ALMIGHTY CHANGED MY LIFE.Until YOU EXPERIENCE THE SPIRIT WORLD YOU CAN NOT UNDERSTAND IT.GOD IS NOT RELIGIOUS AT ALL THE WORD RELIGION IS NOT IN THE BIBLE. GOD IS TRUTH AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.JESUS’S ONLY RELIGION WAS JUDISAM THE jEWISH FAITH , THAT THE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS PRACTICED WHICH IS SIMPLY THE FOLLOWER OF TRUTH. THAT WHY I ASK WHAT IS TRUTH?

    ALIEN

  • http://none Jim,NC

    People that are truly “born again” are probably the only ones who know that Christ is real, Bible Christianity is real, and that when God says something is going to happen, it is going to happen. I was born in Shelby NC, Feb. 2nd. 1946. God says in His Word in Romans 10:13 “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” That really happens, and un-belief does not negate that fact.
    All of the remarks made by those who do not believe in Christ mean absolutely nothing. Because no one can tell about your salvation experience but you. You were there when it happened. Scoffers will always be around, doubters will abound. However, if you really have been “born again,” their remarks are like water off the ducks back. A Christian doesn’t have to prove God is real nor that their faith is real or argue anyone into believing it. Because the Christian was there when it happened and it was the Christian that it happened to. The thing we need to do as Christians is live our life so that the un-believer, the scoffer and mocker sees Christ in us.
    My life was changed April twenty second 1972. As a twelve year old boy the Holy Spirit spoke to my heart in a church meeting one evening. I went forward with about ten other boys. I thought I had gotten saved, but you couldn’t prove it by the way I lived.
    Latter in life on the evening of April twenty second 1972, I went to a revival at our church in Ypsilanti. [ I wound up in Mich. Because I had to run from the law when I left Georgia. That is what I did a lot. Run from the law ] A young evangelist by the name of Dale Fazzenfelt preached on Second Corinthians 5:17 “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new”.
    I thought I was saved, and going to heaven. Based on what I had did as a 12 year old boy. Even though I stopped at a bar almost every day and got a double shot of whisky, get into fistfights. At the same time, I was driving a church bus and picking up an average of 50 to 60 kids a week and take them to church. I’d spend all day on Sat. visiting these kids so they would come to church. Plus I was teaching Sunday school, going to church as regularly as anyone, tithing as good as anyone in that church, and went on visitation. I counseled people on how to be saved as a lost person. I was a person that believed I was saved and going to heaven.
    Later I realized that I had been a religious person. I hated the thought of a hypocrite, but I was as big a one as ever was. I was no better than Cain. The Holy Spirit, using Gods Word got me under heavy conviction concerning my sinful and lost condition. The longer I listened to Gods Word, the heavier the Holy Spirit convicted me that I was going to hell if I didn’t repent of my sins and turn to Christ for forgiveness, [asking him to forgive me of my sins and save me.] {Later, I realized that this might have been the last time the Holy Spirit would convict me of sin}. I got under such heavy conviction that at one moment I thought the very floor of the church house was going to crack open and the flames of hell were going to come out and grab me, and pull me into hell. I had never been scared like this in my life. I was mentally and physically shaken, and I got angry with the preacher for the way he was preaching. [Hypocrites don’t like Bible preaching. Neither do scoffers and mockers. So be it.]
    I remember at one point wishing in my heart that he would swallow his tongue, and choke to death, because of such heavy conviction. I had never been so confused in my life, as I was at this moment. I always used John 3:36 as a verse to calm me down when I got under conviction, “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life.”
    As an unsaved person, I really thought that I was saved. Because I believed some things. I believed the Bible. I never doubted that God created the world and everything else. I believed the miracles in the bible actually happened, and that those that Christ did were real, that He had died on Calvary for the payment of mans sins, that His blood washed away all of our sins, that he was buried, and rose again. And I still believe those things.
    Back then, I had good head knowledge of Christ, but I had no heart knowledge of Him. I did not know Him personally as my Savior.
    I was taken totally by surprise as Gods Word was preached that night with the power of God on it. The Holy Spirit put tremendous, over whelming conviction on my soul concerning my sins, and lost condition. There were things that I didn’t want anyone to know, things that I was ashamed of, that only a few people knew. And there was no way this guy could have known them. Yet, The Holy Ghost brought them to my attention through the preaching. Things flashed so quickly in my mind to remind me of wicked sins, and that I was not fooling God for one second. I was hell bound, and the Holy Spirit used my own memory of personal sins to convict me. I knew that if I died that night, I would go to a devils hell. In this intense and confusing condition, I said these words in my heart. “God knows whether I’m saved or not”. I turned to God. I bowed my head and prayed this prayer.
    “God, you’re the only one that really knows if I am saved or not! Am I saved or not?” As a lost person, I believed that God knew everything. This is how God answered my prayer.
    Here I was in a church building at night, April 22nd. 1972 that probably had close to a thousand people in it. It was lit up like a baseball stadium. However, the moment I bowed my head and closed my eyes, everything went pitch dark.
    In my minds eye I saw a vast open space of nothing, it was the darkest darkness that I have ever experienced. Way out in this vast darkness I saw a dim light. It resembled a dark galaxy with a sun trying to shine through grey clouds. Then I saw a small black speck, and it got larger as it moved toward me. I was standing in this darkness, alone. I could feel it when it touched my skin. As this image got closer, I made out the shape. It was a giant four-sided piece of black shiny coal. The block tumbled over and over very slowly as it came toward me. And it had something written on one side. As it got closer, I was able to read it when it straightened up. In big bold, capitol block letters, the word LOST was written. It stunned me at first glance. Then I heard an audible voice. This voice spoke the word as the block of coal turned slowly. Every time the block turned so as I could read the word LOST! The voice spoke loud and clear, LOST! LOST! LOST! This thing tumbled to the upright position three times. I read it three times, and the voice spoke loud and clear the word LOST! Three times. That is how God answered my prayer.
    I came out of my seat the third time. I remember saying in my heart, “I don’t have to stay lost, I know what the Bible says”. I was saved that night, not because of all the good things that I had did for my church. I was saved because I repented of my sins and trusted in Christ blood to wash my sins away, for Him to forgive me of my sins. And last but not least, trusting in Christ to keep me saved. Nothing in my life, including baptism, or church membership could prove to me that I had ever been born into the family of God, based on Second Corinthians 5:17. If there is no change, there is no salvation.

    2nd. Corinthians 5:17 is a message of how God can change a person. After salvation, after a person accepts Christ as their Savior. God starts creating a new person. I have known for many years, even as an unsaved person that God is color blind when it comes to salvation. Because His Word says, “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved”.
    Salvation does not make a person sinless, or perfect. It makes them forgiven. Many a sin can be laid at my feet after I was born into Gods family. However, First John 1:8-9 is as true as any other verse in the Bible. It tells us “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
    A Christian may commit sin, but they will be miserable in it and miserable until they get their heart right with God. If sin doesn’t bother a person, if they can’t see the wrong in what God calls sin, then there is something wrong with that persons walk with God. Because after salvation, we have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. And He will convict us of sin. And if we persist in sin, He will make us miserable. That person may be living a religious life as I was, and die and go to hell.
    I will never take that risk. Gods Word says “behold, all things are become new”. The word “behold” means to “LOOK!” As if, God tells the whole world. LOOK what I can do with your life if you will come to me and be saved.
    There are many things that I don’t know. However, there is one thing that I do know. Which is. God keeps His word. Psalm 119:89-90 “For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven. Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth”. If God says He will do something, He’ll to do it. Romans 10:13 “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved”. The word “whosoever” means anybody, the word “shall” means it will happen. The word “call “ has the idea of calling on God to forgive sins and save us, like a child would run crying to their dad when hurt, calling daddy, daddy. That is the idea of calling on God.
    I remember the day and night, the thoughts that I had at the time. Anytime that I have ever sinned and said to myself, “Why did I do that? A Christian shouldn’t do that”! I remember the night that I prayed that prayer, “God you know if I’m saved or not”. And I remember praying and asking God to forgive me of my sins, and for Christ to save me. It was nothing short of, “Amazing grace that saved a wretch like me”. And it will last throughout eternity.
    What Christ did for me, He will do for anybody, at anytime, that will trust Him as their savior. They can gain eternal life through Christ alone.
    That is why I don’t fear death. I put this whole thing in Gods hands back there in Ypsilanti, Mich. April, the twenty second, 1972 God saved me from the eternal torment of an eternal lake of fire. Christ is the answer for all the problems of this world.
    John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    First Corinthians 15:54-55-56-57 “Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    • Pat

      AMEN! Bless you, Jim, for your testimony of conviction.

  • Dale

    There are SOME hypocrites even in the Christian Church. There are even SOME ‘Christian leaders’ who are planted to distort the Bible and destroy Christianity – PURPOSEFULLY – who deceive many. Just because manure can be covered with chocolate and made to look good on the outside does not change what it is. As a person thinks – so is he. ‘ Stinking thinking’ comes from inside and expresses it self outwardly.

    The biggest hypocrites that exist are the ones who purposefully deceive themselves into being independent of their Creator. They try to look good to their peers while covering up their inward needs. As an older individual who became a Christian, not born that way, I know the following as a fact. — Happiness is fleeting. Happiness depends on circumstances while joy does not. It is the fact that when all goes ‘your way’ then you feel good. When things are not that way then you are not a happy camper. So you turn to people who are ‘happy campers’ (who make you feel good about yourself) . You turn to buddies (think like you or amuse you), cursing, comedy, booze, sex, drugs etc to make you feel better.

    Your happiness is like a roller coaster – sad, happy, mellow, hyped, etc. The one thing is missing is joy. — God’s joy helps people sing in prison, face death for what they believe with strength and courage, helps people who were born in obscurity reach out and become successful, etc. God’s joy – not ‘happiness pumps’ gives real ENJOYMENT no matter what is going on around you – good or bad!

    There is no substitute for real JOY and nothing elevates your soul like it. No God then no Joy – only bouts of reaching out more and more things, drugs, sex, etc as substitutes – which give happiness for a brief time and fizzle out – demanding more and more to be ‘happy’. Just think about it before you attack Christians and show such prejudice against those who pursue joy while you pursue self adulation.

  • phred

    Wow, this whole discussion is unbelieveable—just like ninety percent or more of the Chrisitians who post here!
    First of all, Bret Hume has the right to say what he wishes on TV or radio—-that involves the first amendment, as does the freedom of religion. I disagree wholeheartedly with Humes representation of his religion as “the best”, but as long as he is not using a public pedestal as his pulpit, let him say it. It shows his prejudice, and his hatred for about 60 % of the hu-man race, but, hey, he has that right.
    Of course, your hero, Chip Woods, tells us *again, and again, and again, and again, and….) that the words and/or term “separation of church and state” do not occur in the Constitution. That part is true, but just how many brain cells might it take to realize what the founding fathers had in mind with the words of the Constitution, etc? They wanted NO religion to take precedence over any others! In other words, we, as individuals, are just as free to be Hindu, Christian, Buddhist, whatever! And it is the individual who SHOULD determine what it is he or she wishes to believe in, or follow.
    As for what Mr. Hume said on that show—–while he has every right to express his beliefs, it shows an severe arrogance, and is exactly the type of thing that has caused Christianity to lose a lot of favor. I don’t need to be told what I “have to believe in”, nor does Tiger Woods, nor anyone else. The arrogance of that type of Christian thinking is a total turn-off to me.
    But, more importantly, that arrogance has the effect of weakening the very freedom of religion that is held so dear in our country. Once the loudest group starts insisting on what we all must believe, what we all must follow, in a spiritual sense, it takes away the very religious freedom they loudly CLAIM to want! Fact is, this idea simply says, “You can be of whatever religious bent you wish, as long as it agrees with me.”
    Think of that next time someone expresses a belief in something other than your beliefs. Think of it, in fact, when someone expresses a though thatr disagrees with one of yours, whether of spiritual or any other nature. I lioke Ford pick-ups. I like V8 engines. I like dark colored houses. I wear mostly casual clothes. I don’t care to work in an office. I like women of a heavier mode than most. I like women with short hair. I like Mexican cooking. Does any of that offend you? Does any of that challenge you? Does any of that harm you?
    Then how the hell does my not following your religion cause you harm or heartburn?
    Then, the other thing here:
    If you are one who puts down all Muslims for being Muslim, and all Arabian people for being Muslims, and hates them and their ways, just exactly how do they differ in their “hatred” from you and your hatred for anybody who happens to be nonChristian? Same thing, same hatred, and, top the same degree! (Substitute, if you wish, Buddhism, Hindi, Taoist, etc. for Muslim—-same thing. I prefer that we STOP hating people based on their thoughts and beliefs, and work on eliminating harmful actions instead.)

    • Smilee

      Very Very Well Said, doubt it will sink in for many here though

      • denniso

        Sadly,too many people here think that all Muslims are terrorists. They think that they are insulting Obama by calling him a Muslim,which he isn’t anyway. The lack of tolerance from so many ‘Christians’ here is truly astounding and,again,sad. What happened to religious tolerance in this country??

        • Joe H.

          denniso,
          I suggest you read your heroes book!!! In it he states he is a muslim. In it he also says that he will come down on the side of the muslims!!!! He has the right of final edit!!!

          • Smilee

            Another lie from Joe, you misquote the book

          • Joe H.

            alright Smilee, tell us what it says about it???? Try some facts instead of just words this time!!!

          • Smilee

            Joe

            Read the book, read the book, the facts are there. Did not your mama tell you it was not nice to tell a lie and it is one of the ten commandments as well, I think that also makes it a sin.

          • Michael J.

            Smilee,
            Facts are: In a meeting where Obama was speaking of Arabs and Pakistani he stated that, “I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction”.

          • Smilee

            Michael

            Standing with and being a Muslim are not one and the same and does not make him a Muslim, he does after all say he is a Christian but you ignore that statement of his. Cannot yours and Joe’s simple minds comprehend such an intelligent mans words, I guess that is natural thinking for you two, sorry you both missed these truths

        • Michael J.

          Denniso,
          Tolerance? how many copies of the Quran exist in this country? Try taking a Bible into Saudi Arabia. They would confiscate it, put you in prison and probably make you wear a Burhka.

          • eyeswideopen

            Michael, who cares what the Saudi’s would do, THIS IS AMERICA!!! lAND OF THE FREE. Which means nobody dictates what religion to belong too. When you prevent freedom of choice you are killing American values and are starting on the road to something you can’t imagine. Does the word Nazi mean anything to you?? You should be glad for diversity, it is what makes us strong and how we have lived for over 230 years.

          • Michael J.

            Ewo,
            The founders advocated freedom of religion to which I agree with.
            I have no problem with anyone practicing the religion of their choice including Islam. I was merely pointing out that the same is not true in Saudi Arabia.
            I appologize, in the future I will speak/type more slowly and with greater anunciation just for your benifet.

          • eyeswideopen

            Michael J. watch out you misspelled benefit, and annuciation and JoeH will think you are me…..LOL. Demean all you want, but we don’t need to compare ourselves to other countries who don’t have our Constitution and history of principles to which we have adhered to for 230 years. This is a FREE country until you radical right wingers get the Constitution changed, and legislate what religion everyone will have to belong too. I have noticed that the Republicans like to stray off topic alot. Who cares and what relevence does how many Quran’s are in this country and so what if they won’t let a Bible into their country. It is their country not ours. Your whole comment had no revelance to the topic at hand. Must be that koolaid again.

          • Joe H.

            Eyes,
            careful there and don’t lie!! It’s the libs that want to outlaw guns not the conservatives. It’s the liberal ACLU that went to court and argued that we should have our freedom of religion abridged. It is the libs in power right now that want to unconstitutionally force us to purchase health care or pay a fine of more than it would cost!!! It is the libs that have done all of this, but Mass is just a beginning!!! The end of liberal rule is coming this year and in 2012!!!

          • Smilee

            JOE

            True the ACLU took it to court and made that argument that there is separation of church and state but it was the Supreme Court that decided their argument was constitutional and the separation of state and church could no longer be tolerated. Why do blame the ACLU for what the Supreme Court determined that this what the founding fathers meant when they drafted the Constitution. You are always blaming the innocent rather than the guilty in this case the founding fathers. I suppose it is of no use though to explain this to someone incapable of rational thought.

          • Michael J.

            Ewo,
            Who made you Spelling Czar? First you call me on my typos and then without realizing it, you misspelled the same word? Stick to the sraight Kool-aid and leave out the Vodka.
            The Founders granted me the unalienable right to spell words any way I choose to.
            Besides, if it were against the law, they could have put you away a long time ago.
            Love Always, Michael J.

          • eyeswideopen

            Michael, Joe, was accusing me and denniso of being the same person because we didn’t spell some word correctly. I was making a joke that he would then think you and I were the same person because you misspelled benefit and annunciation. I don’t use spell check so I have errors. I am far from perfect and never have claimed to be. I respect your intelligence, I don’t agree with your concept of the Liberals. As a Christian, it is sometimes a struggle to allow personal freedoms, which sometimes seem against my faith but that is what this country is all about. Personal freedom guarranteed by the Constitution.

          • Michael J.

            EWO,
            I knew what you meant the first time you typed it. And thanks for the civil tone. Don’t keep it up or I will worry about you.

        • coal miner

          Denniso,

          Christianity has always have been intolerable of other people’s beliefs and religions.Remember the Scope trial?Evolution? Stand in the way of their pathetic beliefs and they are ready to tear your head off.Some of them on this thread were even caught in their own lies.Well what do you expect?This so called religion it self was founded on half truths and lies.To them it is all right to tell a bald face lie,as long it furthers Chistianity.

          • Joe H.

            Coal minor,
            and it’s ok for you to tell half truths and outright lies about Christianity as long as it furthers the progressive attitude of your damnable liberal movement and especially your precious union!!!!

          • Smilee

            Joe

            Most of the liberals and union people I know claim to be Christians and live their live like they are, It is you radical right wingers that sit in judgment of them to further your own radical far right agenda, Christians know they are not suppose to judge and when they do is it not a sin, your hatred of liberals and union people also is against the Christian doctrine of Love they Neighbor and lying about them sure does not look live love to me.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Now you judge me as judging unions and union Christians. Is there any stop to your judgmental ways?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Yes I remember the scopes trials, where the evolutionists sculpted bones out of cattle to try to make their skeletons all fit showing the evolution cycle, and they got caught. If you have to cheat to try to prove something, that should tell you something. Us real Christians dont have to lie, cheat and fake things. We know the truth, as Christ has revealed Himself to us. And there is a day coming, when He will reveal Himself to you also, and I really do hope this revealing comes at your request, not His, because it will be too late for you then.

    • Michele

      Good job!

  • Oscar

    Ok. Now let’s see what we are going to tel Tiger Woods when he comes to us for a religious advice. If we truly believe that our Christian denomination churches are the best choice then we should bring Tiger Woods and seat him in the middle of a hardcore Catholic, a Pentecostal, add a Baptist and if we want more spice we can bring a Jehovah Witness, and to make every thing more interesting we call Creflo Dollar and evangelist like Mr.Hum. Then Tiger Woods will learn that we all think that the truth is within our individual Christian denomination. So what are we going to tell Tiger? That we are incapable of having unity in our christian faith? That we read the Bible, the same verses but that we cannot get the same message across christian denomination churches? That we are unable to pray together? That a simple thread like this is a great example of how intolerant we are? That We always ask God for forgiveness but that we are the worst executioners against the same things we always ask pardon for? that we have guns to be ready to shoot somebody who breaks into our property because the laws written by men gives us the right to kill, that we don’t turn the other cheek, and also Tell him that We are not hypocrites at all?.Yes Our Christian denomination churches are the best choice….Please, we should all come down to earth and remove the big ship we have on our shoulders, clean the dirt we have in our eyes before looking at others. Why don’t we,at least try to get together like BROTHERS and leave non Christians alone.

  • Phyllis

    I am surprised that Law & Order or SNL haven’t made an episode about Brit Hume’s statement giving them a chance to once again mock Christians.
    I am surprised that Mr Hume said this only because I never knew he was a Christian. And I admire and respect that he had the guts to state his beliefs. I’m sure he knew the storm he would create but I believe he was sincere in wanting to help Tiger otherwise there would have been no reason to say anything about Tiger other than the usual talking points you hear from so many other commentators.
    I can understand people who have been hurt by Christians but I don’t understand why their arguments have to be filled with such vile and nasty comments. Not every Christian is a hypocrite.

  • http://none James

    To everyone who has written something on this blog. There is only one WAY. YAHSHUA (Jesus) is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIVE. No one comes to the FATHER except by YAHSHUA (John 14 v 6). Brit Hume’s comments were correct, conciliatory and full of humility, grace and truth. The Lake of Fire mentioned in the book of Revelation is NOT a literal, physical fire. Judgement is NOT evaluating ones life and then sending them to paradise if they accept YAHSHUA as SAVIOR or sending them to “Hell” to burn in fire if they do NOT accept YAHSHUA. YAHWEH the FATHER and YASHUA the SON and MESSIAH and SAVIOR of ALL men ARE the Lake of Fire (Hebrews 12 v 29). THEY, named the ELOHIM family, will save ALL men because that is what They are and that is what They do – “…for we trust in the living ELOHIM, Who is SAVIOR of ALL men. These things command and teach (1st Timothy 4 v 9-11). NO ONE ever will burn up or be tortured in a literal, physical fire for ever. ELOHIM will “try” and “perfect” and “purify” the carnal minds of ALL men. They will “burn off” so to speak the works of the flesh. This is NOT a literal, physical fire but it is the ONE TRUE GOD, YAHWEH the FATHER and HIS SON, YAHSHUA the SAVIOR and LORD and MESSIAH who, BY THEMSELVES, will make ALL men, one day, righteous. You see, “…When THY (ELOHIM’S) judgements (yes, JUDGEMENTS) are in the earth, the PEOPLE of the WORLD will learn
    RIGHTEOUSNESS… ,” (Isaiah 26 v 9b). THAT is what JUDGEMENT is about. ALL people will eventually LEARN to live and be RIGHTEOUS or RIGHT. “All Thy COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS… ,” as the BIBLE states. Organized religion, or should I say, organized “Christianity” or the so called “churches” of the world, which are no more than TAX EXEMPT CORPORATIONS of MEN, most of which impose on their members a RIDICULOUS and UNBIBLICAL “tithing” doctrine, are the breeding grounds for LIES, HERESIES, and FALSE doctrines.
    Here is the TRUE gospel: ELOHIM is CREATING man after HIS likeness and according to HIS (Elohim’s) image. All men (and women) sin. Sin requires a sacrifice for sin. YAHSHUA the SON and LORD and MESSIAH was and IS that sacrifice for sin, which is a missing of the mark, a falling short of the high standard set by ELOHIM and his COMMANDMENTS, and NOT just the ten commandments that were given to Moses. There are HUNDREDS of commandments that YAHSHUA gave to his followers when he was here on earth. It is by the shed blood of YAHSHUA that we can be reconciled to YAHWEH the FATHER. ALL men and women will one day learn the truth and will be SAVED.
    No one will suffer eternal death. ALL the dead will be resurrected to face JUDGEMENT. Then they will learn RIGHTEOUSNESS because… “when Thy (ELOHIM’s) JUDGEMENTS are in the earth, the people of the world WILL learn RIGHTEOUSNESS… ,” (Isaiah 26 v 9b). Tiger’s time will come. It may be now, or soon or in the near future or further out into the future. EVERYONE’s time will come to be perfected. ALL people WILL be saved. One must read and study and have eyes to see and a mind and heart to understand that so much of what is written in the BIBLE is SPIRITUAL and not LITERAL. This is the TRUE
    gospel: “Our ELOHIM is SAVIOR of ALL men… ,” (1st Timothy 4 v 9-11). Argue with this if must, but one day you will ALL see and understand. ELOHIM is NOT some terrorist who will kill and burn up people for all eternity. “An experience of evil has the LORD given to the sons of men by which they may be
    HUMBLED (or exorcised) by it (Ecclesiastes 1 v 13). Tiger is being HUMBLED through an experience of evil (certainly cheating on his wife and CHILDREN with MULTIPLE paramours IS an experience of evil. ELOHIM will use this situation to eventually bring Tiger to repentance and create in Tiger a humble, teachable heart and mind and attitude of mind that ELOHIM will create in ALL people.
    That is a RIGHT MIND and a RIGHT HEART and a RIGHT ATTITUDE so that ALL will live in PERFECT PEACE, and LOVE and JOY for eternity. It can never get better than that and one day it WILL be that way.
    May THY kingdom come and THY will be done, our FATHER YAHWEH and our LORD, SAVIOR AND MESSIAH, YAHSHUA, so that ALL men can and WILL be saved.
    All praise, honor and glory to YAHWEH our FATHER and YAHSHUA the MESSIAH, LORD and SAVIOR
    of ALL men.
    James

    • phred

      Hilarious, James! Thanks for the laugh, I needed it after the rest of the comments I’ve seen here!
      Indeed, let’s ALL become Christians, for if we do that we’ll have nobody to hate anymore, and we can do that turning the other cheek stuff that Jesus allegedly talked about!
      James, James, James—-this is exactly what I complained about—-not all Christians, but those like you, in their Supreme Arrogance will condemn EVERYBODY of:
      1) a different spiritual pursuit
      2) Those of the same spiritual pursuit if, within it, they somehow do not agree with (James)!
      This, sir, is hatred of the first order. I do NOT expect you to see that, but, that doesn’t stop it from being true.
      So, spend your life in hate. Maybe, when your life comes to an end you’ll run across Jesus. If he still believes as he did back when he was padding the earth with his feet, I’d expect him to tell you that you have not only spent your life in hate, and in hating, but that by doing that, you are hateful unto the Father—so, take yourself a bath in that Lake of Fire you like to cite so much!
      Thankfully, most Christians actually realize that other people can have religious beliefs and spiritual pursuits OTHER than their own, and they’ll be niether bad people, nor condemned to some imaginary eternal damnation by a “God who loves them.”!!

      • http://none James K

        Dear Phred,

        Sorry that you think I am hateful. Never once did I ever condemn anyone. I merely stated that
        “God” is going to save every last person who ever lived. NO ONE will ever be sent to some eternal
        burning fire or suffer for eternity. It appears that you have the hate. In fact, “God” as most people
        refer to YAHWEH and YAHSHUA, loves all people and will SAVE all people. That is the truth and despite what you write or think or believe, it IS going to happen. Where is the hate in that? Our merciful and loving “God” is going to make all things right. You don’t see now but you WILL see one day. Have a nice life and I will see you in the Kingdom of ELOHIM. With love and concern for you. James K.

        • Kim McGough

          Not according to the God’s Word, all who fail to accept Jesus as their savour will be damned. It is by choice, if not then there would be no need of the Bible or of the works done by Christ on the Cross.

    • James

      James, If you would add a letter to your name, it would save me from your enemies. I’m the ‘James’ in the above comment of this date. I am also the ‘James’ who made the First Amendment comment above. It was my understanding that every contributer to this website must have a unique pen name, something fell thru a crack.

      • libertytrain

        I don’t think at this point it is set-up that way – however, I’m guessing it will be in a few months from now -

      • http://none James K

        Dear Original James,

        I apologize. I did not see you post and thus did not realize that there was another James.

        Take care.

        James K.

  • phred

    Btw, I am tempted to throw into this discussion, just for the fireworks it may start, a discussion of reincarnation, hooking up in other planes of existance, finding ones own way through the spiritual worlds with out religious training, then with religious training—-maybe even where the TINY differences show up between the major worlds religions. (And don’t think that by naming YOUR religion a “faith” that it changes anything!).

    • Joe H.

      phred,
      I’m almost inclined to believe in reincarnation! I have seen a few posters here that came back as horses behinds!!!! Next time around, they just won’t have the horse attached!!!!

      • Smilee

        JOE

        There you go again, being dirty and nasty, demonstrating again your inability to engage in rational discourse

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          There you go again, judging Joe.

      • Michele

        Funny!

      • Michael J.

        JoeH, Heh… Heh… Heh… I know what your talking about. Butte look at it this way, those horse’s behinds are easy to track. They’ve left a trail of horse apples all through this thread.

        • Joe H.

          Michael J,
          watch it, if you agree with me you will bring down the wrath of (hehe) Smilee on you!!! whew that scares the heck out of me!!! hahaha!!

          • Smilee

            Joe

            You again think, I have put not wrath on you or anyone, please do not misinterpret my statements of truth as bringing down wrath on you or anyone.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            He doesnt bring wrath, he lays his judgement on people, as being a true liberal, he is always right, and others are always wrong, and they are not allowed an opinion that differs with his.

  • http://N/A txdc

    Oh, Anthony, Anthony, Anthony . . . you poor misguided soul, I feel so sorry for you and your lack of knowledge and understanding. First, I want you to find in our Constitution what you said, “The seperation of church and state is a gaurantee of the U.S. Constitution and for any politician to introduce relegion into the government is basically unconstitutional.” You are one of those who has been so brainwashed by the media you don’t even realize you are making a fool of yourself with such remarks. The Constitution says something more like, “Congress shall make no law concerning religion . . .” Look it up! LEARN something! Also, you cannot read the Bible for yourself without learning the TRUTH unless you keep your mind so biased before your start you will be incapable of getting it. Anthony, it is our government that has turned its back on us – any and all parties in Washington, DC have turned their back on our Constitution which made America free in the first place from tyranny. Now we have it again because too many people are more interested in spouting off about things they know nothing about to take the time to find out for themselves how we got in this mess in the first place. It’s all about greed and self-interest on the part of government leaders as well as many people in our country. The ignorance of what made us a great country in the beginning and how it has been destroyed by those who have no interest in the welfare of the people, but only fool those like you into thinking they do. Did you know all the major networks are controlled by the same group of people who have been giving us anything BUT the real news for years and years, but have helped convince the ignorant that unless they tolerate the most intolerable of behaviors and perversions, and accept everything as being acceptable when it absolutely is not, then they are not good people. They have turned our citizens into pacifists who’ll believe anything they hear without learning the truth about anything, i.e., the Bible, the government, the news media. and have kept the people battling it out over things that anyone in their right mind with any knowledge or morals at all wouldn’t need to fight about in the first place. Now we have the Chicago Mafia advising our illegitimate president who was put in place by foreign leaders and big money people around the world knowing that so many Americans have become so self-centered that they cannot see beyond their noses what has actually happened the people and the government of this country. You are a prime example of just blindly deciding for yourself without enough firsthand knowledge or REAL research to know enough about any of this to even speak about. If people like you and some others here tonight would direct the energy from their venom toward really LEARNING our history and Constitution and paying attention to how we became successful FREE Republic, and how it has been almost completely destroyed by non-caring, some evil, self-serving, self-promoting folks who don’t really give a flip about you or me, then perhaps we could quit fighting among ourselves and do all we can to restore this great nation. Yes, there have been evil, deceitful, ignorant, self-serving people since the beginning of time, particularly in politics, in both parties, but We the People are the ones who are the victims and too often the cause of our downfall due to our unwillingness to see beyond our noses, hold ourselves to high moral values, and educate ourselves in the TRUTH about our nation, our God, and our Bible. Yes, Jesus was a Jew, and He was killed by the Jews inability to see the Truth then. But God planned it all so He could be the final sacrifice for sin so that we might be saved and live with the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit for all eternity. He loves us that much! Would you give your ONLY son over to death on a cross for all the people of the world. I think not! There is no one righteous, not one, other than Christ Jesus himself. He even loves you Anthony, and the rest of you who speak so vilely and blasphemously of Him. But in the Old Testament, God gave up on the Pharoah and caused his son to die. And how dare anyone question God! He made us! He died for us! He’s a just God and a loving God, and none of us DESERVE what He did for us. He is God! He does as He pleases! As Proverbs says, “fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.” If that is just the BEGINNING of wisdom, where do you and others like you, or not like you, think that you are wise when you haven’t even BEGUN to get wisdom. I would recommend that you quit spouting off about things you know nothing about and learn the truth for yourself and NOT from all the nuts on the news, in our government and online just trying to be heard. LEARN what is true, NOT what your opinion is based on a baseless foundation. PLEASE! Enough is enough!

    • James

      Txdc, the First Amendment reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Some change the ‘an’ to ‘the’ and use ‘establishment’ as a verb instead of the noun it is, in an attempt to limit the amendment’s restriction to establishing a religion.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Thank you. Very well said. But some on this thread, just cannot handle the truth, and some do not tolerate anyone having an opinion that differs from theirs. That is the liberal way.

  • Claire

    Today is my birthday! I am going to celebrate the fact that I am alive and I am going to enjoy this day with my husband and my family and my dogs! I am going to think good thoughts and pray to God that America and all Americans will be kept safe. I am going to thank God for my life. I am going to thank God that I can see the world he has given us. The trees, the sky, the stars and moon, my flowers, the animals, and all that Nature has to offer. And I will thank God for the love he has bestowed on all of us.

    • JeffH

      Happy birthday Claire, sounds like a wonderful day you have planned.

    • jim

      HAPPY BIRTHDAY< Claire, just wishing you a happy birthday and many more.

      • Claire

        Jim and JeffH–Thank you! It was a wonderful day!

    • usmadgirl

      Hope you had a Happy Birthday today, Claire!

      • Claire

        usmadgirl: I had a wonderful day! Stayed home, ate, played with the grandkids and dogs and ate some more! Thank you for being so nice. I appreciate your thoughtfulness.

    • Joe H.

      Claire,
      Happy, happy!!!! may you have many more years blessed with the love of God!!!!

      • Claire

        JoeH–Thank you too!

    • don

      God grant you many many years Claire

      • Claire

        don—Thank you!!

    • Pat

      Just trying to get caught up with reading all these posts – I’m sorry I missed “your special day”, Claire, but am glad to read it was a very good and happy one for you! May you be Blessed with many more! : )

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Great Claire, and have a wonderful and blessed day. Enjoy all He has created for us to have. Happy birthday.

  • Mack Forsyth

    I wonder what the reaction would have been if Brit had said ‘establish a saving relationship with Jesus’. I believe the power of the name Jesus would have caused even more and stronger reactions.

  • Lee

    A Doctor Benjamin Rush, one of the signers of the Declaration Of Independence, wrote,”It”ll never happen,but if they ever take the Bible out of the schools, we will spend all of our money on crime”. The most important phrase, listen closely (if they ever take the Bible out of the schools) means from the beginning of this Republic the Bible was in our government,schools, colleges and Churches. Where then is separation?
    Men who aren’t belivers in God do not carve his name on all the buildings in Washington DC. go check it out. The ten commandment are posted on the walls of the Supreme Court. show me the separation. The fact is separation is just the dream of those who rebel.

  • Norm

    To my extreme Christian friends:

    Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
    But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
    Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
    Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination. -Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
    I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote “Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?”)
    The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814
    Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
    In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814
    Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.”-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Adrian Van der Kemp, 30 July, 1816
    Priests…dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live. -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820
    Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being.-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820
    And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors. -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

    • eyeswideopen

      Norm, thank you. A voice of historical reason.

    • Michele

      Thank you.

    • Michael J.

      Norm,
      So you want to do away with the 76% of Americans who call themselves Christians? Good Luck! You can’t even get rid of the 12 to 13 million illegal aliens who are mostly all Christians. Better pack a lunch.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Note to Norm: I am the Way, The Truth and The Life – Jesus Christ.

  • Katy

    Brit Hume was asked for his opinion. This in way impunes his journalistic integrity. His advice to Tiger Woods is based on his own life experience. If you don’t agree with him, fine, that is you perogative. But it in no way means he is wrong or right. Everyone has their own opinions. We are still allowed to have opinions in the US aren’t we? As fot the Christianity issue, there is a huge difference between religion and Christianity. What I don’t understand is why Chistians are expected to be perfect and when they are found not to be they are lambasted as hypocrites. Ut seems ironic to me that all of the anti-christian responses here are just as judgemental and condemning as they claim Christians to be. Could it be that humans in general are critical? And is also possible that Christians get such a bad wrap because they simply point out that sin is sin and sinners just don’t want to hear it? God does love everyone but He does force Himself on anyone. You are free to choose for yourself. He offers you forgiveness and freedom but you don’t have to take it. But the issue most people have really isn’t God; it’s Jesus. Jesus Himself said He is a stumbling block; that people will “hate you because of me”. Most of the demigods here don’t understand what they are talking about, but more importantly they don’t want to. So it’s really pointless to argue with them. And yelling at them about hellfire and brimstone is a big waste of time because they’ve heard it before and don’t care. They would rather worship the created instead of the creator and serve themselves which is fine with me if that’s what they want to do. But they need to give the rest of us the common courtesy to believe and worship the way choose. Seperation of church and state is NOT in, nor “guaranteed” by the constitution but freedom of religion most certainly is. All Brit was doing was exercising his freedom to speak and believe as he chooses.

    • Norm

      Katy
      If a person is good, honest, moral, helpful to the needy, and lives by high ethical standards is he any the worse because he is an atheiest or agnostic? If a person is bad, dishonest, immoral, abusive to his fellow man, and has low ethical standards is he any better because he is a extreme Christian? Who do you think God would prefer? Spitting out ambiguous bible quotes doesn’t make evil good.

      • Greg

        Good point Norm. But don’t you think if you believed you would go to a very bad place for all eternity if you didn’t believe in God that you’d be less likely to steal, cheat and lie??? Whether you believe or not, there has to be a belief in something higher or there is no motivation for most to be good, honest people…For most I say…So even if you don’t believe then isn’t society better off believing and teaching that there is a higher power to judge you after this life?? Even if it turns out that when we die, the lights just go out. The problem is, just as you can’t prove there is a God, other than countless accounts, miracles etc., nor can you prove there is not. Don’t you think it’s better to be safe than sorry??? Say a little prayer, certainly don’t bash God on a public forum. Whether you are a Christian or not, belief and worship of God as a Jew, a Muslim, or whatever is surely going to make you less likely to break laws and try to get away with them. Because if you believe in a higher power then you know that even if the government doesn’t catch you, then you are busted by the higher power. I think that peaceful religion gives us a moral compass and I don’t see why do many of you think that is so bad…But nobody is here to listen to each other, they are only here to provoke. Is the country better off with no school prayer..If you think so, then I honestly can start digging for crime figures alone and prove that we are not better off and things started to slide a few years after it was banned. Again, I do believe, but teaching God and the Bible is not indoctrinating people to do bad things it just teaches good morals and life values. If everybody screwed their neighbors wife because they thought that was okay, then would society be better off??? If everybody killed because they disagreed?? If everybody stole?? Believe or not, teaching the Bible is not going to turn out bad people like not teaching it is. It in the least it adds that degree of doubt that keeps people from trying to get away with doing bad things. Some of you on here must be bad people. You must want to screw everything in site and have the govt take care of you. I’m unemployed after working for 20 years in a row. I get my last unemployment check on Monday and I only got 26 weeks. I am stuck with a house I can’t sell and have used all my savings including my IRA to make payments on it. I supported my job and they stuck me with 13k in lost salary, and also a maxed out credit card. Through all of this, I have faith that God has a plan for me. In fact I just came across a job opportunity. Quite convenient since I’m about to lose my unemployment. I also have a wife and 2 children. I used to make over 70k a year, now I make 400 a week and my wife had to go to work..I used all my savings on the house I no longer stay in because we had to move back home to my parents. Yet I have faith that God will provide. Where would I be without that faith???

        • Joe H.

          Greg,
          God Bless you and I pray you find something better soon. I have been where you are and I know it isn’t easy!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        In response Norm, I think we all should strive to be good people, as much as we can. However, for those who refuse to believe in Jesus Christ, and push Him away forever, there will come a time, when we all bow down before Him, and He will righteosly give us our hearts desires. To those of us who accepted Him and wanted to be with Him, He will bring us into eternity with Him, thus giving us our hearts desire. To those who had no use for Him, and made this clear, He will give them their hearts desire, and inform them that He is sending them to a place where they will never be bothered ever hearing His name again, giving them the desires of their heart. His judgment on all of us will be Righteous.

    • Pat

      “Thank-you”, Katy – indeed, we in America DO HAVE THE RIGHT to worship freely and to choose our Belief – Our Creator Blessed us with intellect to choose, but He also gave us a “road-map” of instruction – it’s called The Scriptures. My personal preference is to refer to those of us who DO BELIEVE in the Messiah as our Savior, and that He was born and died for our redemption, … and those of us who DO BELIEVE The Scriptures, as ‘SPIRITUAL’. Too may get caught up in the label, “Christian”; one can act in a “Christian” manner, or one can do “Christian” things in this Life – i.e., attend a church or synagoge, faithfully, … but unless we ARE SPIRITUAL with our Belief by BELIEVING and ACCEPTING The Inspired Word of our Creator through the study of The Scriptures, we are occupying space and time with no direction. We certainly NEED to PRAY for our Nation; we are in some very serious trouble and I’m wondering how much more our Father will allow it to continue. 2 Chronicles 7:14

  • Pat

    With all this discussion, I just recently saw this and it applies: please click on the following:

    http://www.greatdanepro.com/Pray%20For%20America/index.htm

    Pay attention to what Obama had to say about a National Day of Prayer – as President Ronald Reagan said, “We ARE a Nation under God; without Him, we are a Nation gone under.” AMEN!!

    • Norm

      Pat

      Once again:
      Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

      • Pat

        You know, Norm, … being a “good person” in this Life isn’t going to matter in the end – it’s a PERSONAL CHOICE made from one’s Heart and BELIEF – the Father who created us all, KNOWS ones Heart! And, it really does NOT matter whether being ‘Christian’ was a “… part of the common law” – our Forefathers BELIEVED in a power greater than their own and their decisions were based on ‘Christian’ principles which they lived by; why else would they state in The Declaration of Independence such expressions as, …”Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God”, or, … “We hold these TRUTHS to be self-evident, that ALL men are CREATED EQUAL, that they ARE ENDOWED bt their CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.” (You and everyone should read the Declaration of Independence, especially from where my quote stopped.) NO ONE has ever said that ‘Christianity’ was LAW! As I have already stated, you are either a BELIEVER of The Scriptures (written from ancient Hebrew Scripture) or you [simply], are not – it’s a CHOICE! We LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE – if YOU don’t share these FREEDOMS, then by all means, you are welcome to go elsewhere. The whole point of any of these postings is to share our thoughts and knowledege as we know it – there is always a difference of ‘opinion’, BUT, we DO have the RIGHT to express it! EACH of us was Blessed with an INTELLECT, and I honestly believe, not using it wisely, is a direct insult to our Creator. We ALL ‘fall short of our Father’s Grace, daily’, but we have the CHOICE to ask for His forgiveness – we can’t just ask for His forgiveness frivolously – He DOES KNOW our Hearts. How many other gods are The Creator – how many others CAN FORGIVE? Why don’t you pray about it? :)

        • eyeswideopen

          Pat, newsflash, our founding fathers didn’t make this country just for you. Do some research and you will see that most of them were Deists and not Christians. So why don’t you leave? This country wasn’t designed for narrow minded religious zealots. It was founded under God, but they didn’t even make that a requirement to live here. Why is it that the Religious Right thinks they have the right to only inhabit this country? Since you are in the minority, why don’t you all leave?

          • Greg

            Trying to make people believe the opposite. I think the last poll was at least 80 percent belief in God…No we’re not all Christian or all right-wing, but man..You better be careful next time you get caught out in a thunderstorm!! lol!!

          • Pat

            Eyeswideopen, … no one said that all the Founding Fathers were “Christian” nor did I say that the Founding Fathers made this Country only for me and Christianity – I believe the statement was that this Country was founded upon “Christian” principles; they had choices also. I’m not a “religous zealot” (that is YOUR description and label), rather one who believes in The Scriptures as the inspired Word of Yahweh/God for it IS TRUTH and I have accepted it. I’m FREE to express that and I would never leave this wonderful Nation BECAUSE it was founded upon ‘Christian’ PRINCIPLES in which I believe, no other Country has been established so great. Yahweh/God knows where I stand and that is all that matters. YOU don’t have to like what I say or even agree with it – that is YOUR CHOICE. AND, you can’t nor will you change MY reasons to believe as I do. Our Lifetimes are too short to be so consumed about whether ‘Christianity’ is “too Christian”. Life is not a game – we go ’round only once, my friend. I suspect you simply haven’t lived enough of Life to really know what is and is not important while we are here. As I said previously, you either believe what The Scriptures teach or you don’t. It is not our place to judge anyone regarding their choice of Belief, but when the end of Life as we know it becomes reality, then the “choices” we made regarding those Beliefs, will most certainly, matter. Religious affiliation/denomination are man-made doctrine; not gonna’ matter one iota. I BELIEVE in a RISEN SAVIOR who WILL RETURN one day, and I have accepted Him – His Name is Yahshua, better known to many as Jesus. I’m not debating you – this is MY belief – YOU have your reasons to believe as you do, … your postings reveal YOUR choices; YOU must live with them just as we all do. YOU are responsible for them, also. One day it WILL matter, so DO keep your eyes wide open. ;)

          • eyeswideopen

            Pat, this country was not founded upon Christian values. You made a statement that,”if you don’t share these freedoms, you are welcome to go elsewhere”. If someone choses not to beleive in the Scriptures aren’t you stating that they should go elsewhere? If you read the posts here, you will see that the Christians are stating that this country was founded upon Christianity and many tell them to leave the country, thus my response to you. If you were not inviting them to leave because they don’t believe, then I apologize to you.

          • Joe H.

            eyes,
            If you could read a little closer, you would see that Pat was just citing your freedoms, nothing more! Your hatred for anything right of left is clouding your reading comprehension!! Take China, you are not free to leave there if you don’t agree with the non-religious beliefs there. In a lot of countries you will find this to be true! She did not tell you to leave if you don’t agree with Christians, only that you were free to if you so wished!!!

          • Michael J.

            Ewo,
            Wooooo Weeeee, You really put your foot in it this time. I’m not going to elaborate because the others have already done such a fine job of it. Suffice to say, stop the Vodka, go to a meeting.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Think what you may eyes, but if this country somehow got rid of all the Christians, it wouldnt make it 2 years, maybe not even a year. When God’s hand is removed, the United States is going away real fast.

      • Yandle

        Thomas Jefferson: On the Censorship of Religious Books. April 19, 1814
        “I am really mortified to be told that, in the United States of America, a fact like this can become a subject of inquiry, and of criminal inquiry too, as an offense against religion; that a question about the sale of a book can be carried before the civil magistrate. Is this then our freedom of religion? And are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books may be sold and what we may buy? And who is thus to dogmatize religious opinions for our citizens? Whose foot is to be the measure to which ours are all to be cut or stretched? Is a priest to be our inquisitor, or shall a layman, simple as ourselves, set up his reason as the rule for what we are to read and what we must believe? It is an insult to our citizens to question whether they are rational beings or not, and blasphemy against religion to suppose it cannot stand the test of truth and reason.”
        Jefferson continued, “If M. de Becourt’s book be false in its facts, disprove them; if false in its reasoning, refute it. But, for God’s sake, let us freely hear both sides if we choose.” THIS IS FREEDOM OF RELIGIOUS EXPRESSION AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Thanks to men like Thomas Jefferson, we can make our comments here.

  • Ray

    Dear Katy, that was very well said from where I sit. I think that many refuse to acknowledge that within excerpts and personal writings of the founding fathers are found references to God and his existance.
    Just because God is not noted or included in most documents doesn’t mean he wasn’t “pushing their Pens.” Most also recognized where man “ends” and God “begins”. I like Brit Hume alot and have a great deal of respect for him. He’s a “Class Act”. Reguarding “Tiger Woods”, God only knows how many “medicine men” there are out there giving him advice on which way to play this thing in a “Tangled Web” you know.
    I think “Brit” was just cutting to the chase of things. To turn to Jesus is to turn to the Truth because Jesus is the Truth of everything.

    Sincerely Ray

  • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

    Not having enough time to plough each and every one of these oh so well thought out and crafted peans to civility posted here, please allow me to just put in my two cents worth. There is no “Separation of Church and State” in the Constitution of the United States of America, nor any of the amendments thereto. The first amendment proscribes the national government (a.k.a. the Federal government, or “The State”, if you will) from establishing a “State Religion” (such as “The Church of England”) and forbids the federal government from interfering with the free practice of whatever religion may be held by the citizens of the country, where and whenever they may choose to do so. When I was 17, having been raised to understand that “You don’t have to be in a building, to believe in God”, I decided that “God is Energy, after all, It’s everywhere”. Now, some five decades later, scientists in the field of “Quantum Mechanics”, with “String Theory”, have postulated that there indeed may be vibrating “Strings” of energy everywhere. Not only in interstellar, but intergalactic space as well. The other half of my postulation rests on the question: “What is thought?”. In it’s purest form, it is merely an inexplicable bit of energy. If that is also true, then that, I believe, coupled with string theory, is the mind of God. How presumptuous is mankind to believe he can truly understand the mind, let alone interpret the will of God. If I may quote Puck: “What fools these mortals be”.

    • mike

      Right on! Myron. I believe that most of what God does/ creates is through his thought. What He wills becomes truth because truth is what he wills. Get along with one another people. We, His own creation are still evolving as is the universe.

    • James

      Myron J., I agree there is no ‘separation of church and state’ in law. This notion came about when Congress offered religious establishments a tax exemption, 501(c)(3) exemptions. When such establishments apply for these exemptions they must agree to refrain from all political activity as a condition for exemption. Hence the ‘separation of church and state’ saying was born.
      I would disagree, however, with your statement that the First Amendment’s purpose was to bar Congress from establishing a religion. The Amendment reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” “Establishment” is a noun, not a verb, “an establishment of religion” referred to religious organizations then in existence. Thomas Jefferson’s State of Virginia taxed all of its citizens to support the most prominent Christian religion therein, which Jefferson disagreed with, but didn’t fuss about.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        There is no separation of church and state. It guarantee’s our right to practice religion, without the government forcing it on us. But there is no separation. This is something made up by the liberal left and ACLU to kick God out of schools, government, and life in general. Of course at this rate, somehow theyll figure out how to blame Bush for it, like everything else they do.

    • Ray

      Myron,as you said quote:”
      “You don’t have to be in a building, to believe in God”, I decided that “God is Energy, after all, It’s everywhere”.
      “You” have decided that God is Energy. I’m glad you have decided that. I think you have plucked a few too many “strings” and to summerize, you’re just another science backing aethiest who insults Christians for what they believe. Someday you’ll find out it not about how or why “Jesus” is,it is “the connection to his spirit” and his “spirit” is a reality. It is also that spirit that resided deep in some of the greatest men of all time.(founding fathers) In most cases “God” was unexplainable by them too but was excepted as the unexplainable as they knew their limitations. So if you feel denoucing Christian belief is the way than have at it.

      Ray

  • phred

    Once again most of the proChristian posts here seem to ASS–U–ME that Only Christians have a belief in a Supreme Being. This, of course, is simply more of that same Supreme Arrogance fostered by that certain bunch of Christians. The founders were, almost ALL, Deists. What is a Deist? A person who believes in God (herein defined as the Supreme Being). A FEW were, in actuality, Christians, but it seems that even those realized that making a state religion would simply turn the new nation into an echo of the old nations, mostly of Europe, which they had moved across an ocean to get away from.
    I’ve also gone back over most of the posts here. What I have found is those promoting the universalising of their religion based on their personal experiences as they took on what Christianity tells them to do. What these people DO NOT realize, apparently, is that their experience was unique to themselves, and those adopting other religions have THE SAME EXPERIENCES. These are NOT based upon the religion, but the place, expectations, needs, etc. of the individual.
    So, proletyze all you want—what it does is to turn folks away from your “better then thou” attitude, and sends them looking for what is the truth for themselves.
    Now, Bret Hume, yes, indeed, he has the right on TV or radio, to proletyze. However, it seems obvious to me, and, I think to ANYONE who can read and understand the English language, that the founders wanted desperately for the new nation to NOT become the Theocracy so many of you are trying to insist upon. Had he said something like this in a public school ( an arm of that government, and paid for by you, me, they) I would have to do my best to get him fined for misusing public funds.
    This nation was NOT founded as a Christian nation but as one where we ALL have religious freedoms. I tried in an earlier thread to find out just exactly why y’all do not restrict the right to keep and bear arms, or free speech, or redress of grieveances, yet you wish to restrict religious freedoms to only Christians. It surely makes me wonder how long the rest of us can count on being free! But, the fact is, as you attempt so hard to remove MY religious freedoms you (though you don’t seem to realize it) are severely weakening your own.
    Those who insist upon their views taking precedence over all others are the very ones who are pushing the politicians to continue removing our liberties and freedoms. If you believe in the Divinity of Ra, so be it. But to insist that I have to so believe as well REMOVES freedoms, it does NOT enhance them.
    Be a Christian if you wish, I do not care. Be a Muslim if you wish. I don’t care. Be a Flat Earther if you wish. Be an Atheist if you wish. Be a Buddhist. Be a Hindi. But DO NOT CONTINUE TELLING ME HOW I HAVE TO PRACTICE MY SPIRITUALITY!!
    I have not once told you to become a Soul Traveler, nor any other kind of spiritual or nonspiritual follower, I don’t know why some of you must insist that YOUR WAY is the ONLY WAY.
    May the United States of America get back on track as a place and feeling of freedoms.

    • mike

      Mhh!

    • eyeswideopen

      phred, well said, well said. Hands clapping!!
      They don’t get it that diversity is why this country has been so successful and freedom of choice in all things is what our founding fathers gave us. One religion, one political party is not what they intended.

    • Michele

      Yes!

    • Michael J.

      phred,
      Who told you you had to be a Christian? I don’t get it? Is the Pope hovering over your house in a black helicopter shouting through a bullhorn thou shalt renounce Satan? Do Bishops knock on your door and ask you how much your water bill is while recording your GPS coordinates?

      There is proven, effective therapy available for paranoia. You should seek it.

      *Sorry folks for the blaspheming, just making a point.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You can tell me all the lies you want, and I reserve your right to try it. But unlike most, I have researched and tried most of these things, and found them to be untrue. Peaceful to the person, but nothing of substance there. I have found, when I asked Jesus Christ to come into my life, that something cosmic happened. I was changed from the inside out, not by something I did, but by something He did. He spread His arms and said I love you this much, took the nails for me and died for me. I dont see any other so called “gods” that did this for their followers. Then He rose again, as He said he would, 3 days later. He truly opened my eyes and ears, and exposed the truth to me. Its a great thing, to really know. Not blindly following some preacher or some thought, or some new fangled religion, but to actually have the truth revealed to you, by the Savior that gave Himself up for me, that I may have life. Call on His name phred, but only if you want to know the truth. The truth will set you free.

      • Kim McGough

        Beberoni, There is a feeling, that only comes from the infilling of the spirit of Jesus that if they only knew, they would ask for it. But they can not see God in this world and all of it’s beauty, Satan has them and only God above change them, and maybe the day will come when that will happen, so just pray for them and just maybe they will accect Jesus. That is what it is all about anyway, to save the world one soul at a time

    • Kim McGough

      God gave freewill and all of the christians that I know feel that way and do not try to push our beliefs on anyone, but do hope and pray that all will come to God. You can hav e your type of god but there is only one true God

  • mike

    Brit Hume was just giving his honest opinion. It takes courage to say things like that! I like it! Believe in whom ever you want. Do all of you know where you will be in a 100 years? God does.

    • Claire

      In a 100 years? I will be in Heaven with my husband, all my family, and (this may sound goofy to some people) my dogs.

  • http://personalliberty.com vern

    I”m getting tired of having to kiss ass to all the SATAN worshipping low lifes who have taken over our media and governments. If your a BUGGER,or a none christian you can be heard and they will say how wonderful your views are but if you speak of the ideals our countries where based on your lookrd down on.Its time we stood up and run these EVIL ass hole out of office and take back the media.Tere was a book written over 20 yrs ago by a professor of the university of in Tornto called the CORRUPTION IN CANADA by PETER DRISSCO Bby THE NEW WORLD ORDER PRESS which my be banned but it talked about the destruction and take over of CANADA by a group of George BUSH SRS friends he called the NEW WORLD ORDER. When i read this book i was so anger i could have gone nuts.
    WHAT WAS SAID IN THIS BOOK HAS COPME TRUE AND NOW ITS TIME FOR THE USA to be taken over and its happening as we speak

  • Kenneth

    Jesus Christ is Coming Soon. As we get closer to our LORDS Coming for HIS Bride, Ecclesia Christians will be hated more and more. We will know persecution and tribulations even as Churchianity replaces Christianity, even as back in the past Christendom replaced Christianity. Here in Australia people in churches are supporting Abortion by voting ALP who are Decriminalizing Partial Abortion, Dismembering 15 week old babies in the womb. Re Tiger, it is only those who are totally committed to our LORD Jesus Christ, who will be totally committed to their spouses.

    • Norm

      Kenneth
      Your religious beliefs are a little scarey. I personally think they are way over the top. My beliefs are much more personal and subdued.
      I believe in God, but I don’t get all wrapped up in unproven and often ridiculous theories and fairytales written by some obviously sinister characters. If there is a God then he’d better be good. If not, then I want no part of him(it).
      From some of the comments above, I am amazed that there are people who somehow think that anyone not engulfed in the bible is bad. They think that it takes some fear factor to prevent us from being evil. I have not seen that. In fact, if it takes the “fear of God” to keep you moral and honest, you are probably inherently evil, and your situation here or in some afterlife is hopeless.
      Finally, you mentioned that only a commitment to God can keep a married couple together. I think it takes honesty, respect, commitment to each other, and that magical attraction (love?). It worked for me and my wife for more than 40 years and we are bond is stronger than ever.

      • Joe H.

        yeah Norm, way to go!! Tell your god how he better be, tell him he better live down to your standards!! You did notice that I used the lower case g when I said YOUR god???

        • Smilee

          Joe

          Why don’t you respond to what he actually said and not what you think he said. Again you demonstrate your inability to have rational thought and engage in honest and open dialog, please give us enough respect to CAREFULLY read our posts and respond to what we really said and not misinterpret what we said which you have did several times with me and here you did it to Norm

          • Joe H.

            Smilee, again you put yourself on a higher plain than you belong. The man clearly said ” if there is a Go he better be good!” do you not see where he was TELLING his god what to do?? Or are you quite illiterate???

          • Smilee

            Joe

            NO, you misinterpret what he said he said if God was not good he then would want no part of him, he did not tell God what to do, spin, spin, spin, is that all you know, truth is not very important to you is it, Joe.

        • Norm

          Joe H.
          I don’t fear God. I can’t understand why that would be necessary for a normal moral person.

          • Norm

            Also if God is somehow evil and destructive to his own creations, then I reject that concept and I would reject Christianity as being a hoax.

          • Joe H.

            Norm,
            Please show me where I said to fear God!?!?!? I merely said that you were being disrespectful to your god!!! If you have to show bravado to disprove fear of God then Perhaps you are scared of him, in which case I would gladly introduce you to my God!!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      This is true Kenneth. The persecutions have started, and its going to get worse from here out. Just as the Good Word says, in the final days, right will become wrong and wrong will become right. There will be more earthquakes and fires and floods, and you and I both know Kenneth, one doesnt have to look very far to see all these things are passing right now. Jesus Christ is The Way and The Truth and The Life, and the more He is pushed aside, the quicker America will fall. Of course, only those that have the truth in them, truly see this. Have a great day my friend.

  • phred

    Way ta go, Vern, you tell us—’kay? Btw, are you drinking today?

    And isn’t it wonderful how anyone who is nonChristian (or, if it’s preferable, vern, “none” Christian, are “SATAN worshipping low lifes.”?
    Golly, just how far would you go to prove the very points I’ve been trying to make? I thank you for your comments!
    And may your beliefs protect you from making intelligent decisions in other aspects of your life as well.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I will say this phred. Things come from two places, they either are from God, or they arent. End of story.

  • http://personalliberty.com vern

    To PHRED YOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE IM SORRY FOR YOU TRY TO GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND WAKE UP. READ THAT BOOK THEN COME BACK TO ME BY THE WAY THE AUTHOR WAS MURDERED FOR WHAT HE WROTE BY YOUR FRIENDS NO DOUBT.

    • phred

      Excuse me? It is YOU calling anyone who does not practice your religion a, and I quote, “…SATAN worshippong lowlife.” My head is quite clear of my ass. I have, in fact, championed your right to practice whatever religion you wish, just as I do for EVERYBODY. Too bad your mind is so closed that you can’t even begin to do the same.
      Fact is, I’d bet I’ve read your religious book more times than you have, and I have studied heavily into the historicity of the various books of the bible you “follow”, what went on when certain books and passages were in the process of being developed, etc.
      I fear very much that such supremely arrogant and prejudice persons as yourself have already pushed our country, our liberties and our rights so far into the ground that we’ll never be a free nation again.
      I value my religious freedom, but by you trying to restrict mine you are in the forefront of destroying the religious freedoms of both of us, as well as the rest of the country.
      BTW, you may try a bottle of “Focus”, it may bring back some of those brain cells, or place tem such that you can use them.
      Bet you’d get into wild and loud arguments about what kind of car to buy, or what college teaches the best, or what color shirt is the best to wear, too, eh? Hey, do you put Michelin tires on your vehicles? I think you should only be allowed to use Bridgestones. Do you wear Nikes on your feet? I believe you should only be allowed to wear Cougars.
      I truly wish, vern ( if that IS your name) how totally ridiculous your arguments are, and how foolish you are to get so riled, and to start the name calling, etc. WQant to see a fool–(oh, yea, “say not thy fool”, fool) look in your bathroom mirror, and do not direct your wrath at me for reacting to what you have to say and call people!

      • phred

        Sorry, I forgot this part:
        You claim the “author of that book (referencing your bible) was “murdered for what he wrote, by your friends(refreincing my friends) no doubt.” Wow, what a hilariously ridiculous thing to say! Was that your intent? I was born in the mid-20th century—had few friends back in the era you speak of.
        Or are you trying to say that God wrote your bible, but he has been murdered. So, now, I must figure that you believe God is dead.
        Historically, Jesus allegedly wandered the middle east area around 2000 years ago. He was a rabble rouser, who spent a good deal of his rabble-rousing making verbal slaps at the ruling Romans. As was a not at all uncommon thing, the Romans got pissed off and killed the boy for fomenting potential civil war.There were a LOT of others who were also killed via the same method and for much the same reason back then—open a history book if you doubt that.
        Now, I have been in Italy when I was younger, but none of the folks I met there were anywhere near old enough to have been in on some murder from 2000 year or so prior.
        Fact is the bible is not one book, but a collection of books written over the course of over 2500 years by a myriad of men. It was, likewise, men who decided which books would be included into the collection that you call your bible today. Also, many of the books were not just written, then submitted for inclusion, but were stolen stories from earlier eras, and earlier cultures, etc.
        If this suits you, so be it. It does NOT suit me, nor does it suit more than 60% of the rest of the world. What puts you in a postition to tell me that I have to follow the same books, and the same spiritual pursuits, and the same thoughts and thinking as yourself?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Save your explanations to him. Both you and I, and all, will have our day when we get to give Jesus Christ himself an account of our lives.

    • Michele

      Spoken by a true Christian?

  • http://aol.com james

    Is Hume too Christian for tv?
    Is Obama too Islamic for presidency?
    Does Rush Limbaugh tell too much truth about the left commies and Demo’s?
    Is everyone concerned about being politically correct no matter what?

    Why not let people voice their opinions…??? Wel we don’t let them because we do NOT have freedom of speech.

    • Smilee

      Wow, Did I not just see you ranting and raving and exercising your freedom of speech

      • eyeswideopen

        Smilee, touche’.

      • Joe H.

        And didn’t I see you abusing your right to try to shout him down in typical liberal rant??

        • Smilee

          There you go again, demonstrating your twisted thinking

  • Ross

    Appears that there may be some “judging” here on Mr. Woods? Whether he or anyone else is a Christian or not, he still must deal with his issues as all do in their religious beliefs in his own way as that religion prescribes…

    It’s getting to the point where I do not trust or believe the media. With news going 24 hrs has ruined the intitution of journalism, yellow journalism is on the increase, espcially on CNN (Nancy Grace) they have persecuted Tiger to no end. His news release and apology was good enough for me, I’m not a big Tiger Woods fan, but I’m a huge golf fan and I hope he returns to the tour soon!!!

    All I can say is let those who have not sinned cast stones… What Mr. Woods did is family business and no one elses…

  • Yandle

    “But if our Gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not.” The apostle’s design was to point out that the reason why people are not saved under the preaching of the Gospel is not because of any ambiguity in it, but owning to the malignant influence of Satan. They see no beauty or glory in the Gospel, no suitableness in it unto their case, and therefore do they despise and reject it. Though Satan rules in their hearts and lives (Eph. 2:2), yet it is by their own free consent. They voluntarily obey him and submit to his will. His dominion over them is maintained by keeping their minds in darkness, deceiving and deluding them, blinding them by pride, prejudice, and the workings of their own corruptions. But the fault and blame are wholly theirs, for they are determined to follow their own course at all costs, turn a deaf ear to the most earnest entreaties and solemn warnings and disregard the remonstrations of their own conscience. Nowhere but in the Scripture of Truth can we learn what is the real condition of the natural man. “The wicked are estranged from the womb” (Psa. 58:3), and every sin they commit takes them a step nearer the everlasting burnings. They are living in this world “without God”, and therefore as alienated from Him, “having no hope” (Eph. 2:12). Nor are there any exceptions: the Word of Him that cannot lie declares, “They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one” (Psa. 14:3). “It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known My ways” (Psa. 95:10). “For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost” (Luke 19:10). “Unless you repent—you too will all perish!” Luke 13:3
    John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    • Pat

      “Thank-you”, Yandle, and AMEN! Because I was “responding” to some comments made BECAUSE OF ‘my’ comments, I was trying not to “quote” Scripture, rather, share what I believe and why. I’m not ashamed to quote Scripture, but some messages can be said without it – what stating Scripture CAN do, is support your statements of Belief and TEACH, which is “why” it’s important to STUDY His Devine Word. However, I often find that Scripture is misinterpreted and applied in the wrong context (i.e., “taken out of context”) which then becomes debate.

      You selected perfect Scripture to convey the right message to the many who appear very lost in these postings. My Heart aches for them because it is so clear and yet they are so blind to it; they have heard and yet they are deaf. As you so aptly quoted, John 14:6 “Yahshua/Jesus saith unto him, I AM the way, the truth, and the life; NO MAN cometh unto the Father but by me”. What is worse, once they KNOW this, they yet reject HIS WORD. While our Father allows us our next breath, we still have a chance to LIVE for HIM. Again, He FORGIVES, but we must REPENT when asking for His forgiveness. As Believers, we must continue to pray for the lost. Once they realize there is a Savior and HIS “way” is Salvation, only then will they find any peace in their Life [amongst all the chaos of this world] and hope of Life everlasting. It IS a CHOICE and we each will pay the consequence of our choices. Again, “thank-you” for taking the time to share your insight and knowledge of the TRUTH.

  • http://Yahoo,Com Lester

    The One [true] Holy God placed 3 peoples on earth, Jews, Gentiles and his Church. He says that we are accountable for ‘idle’ words and blasphamy against his Spirit and All will be judged for their sin. Deception is the most dangerous thing we are told to watch out for, as even the elect of God can be deluded by lies that sound like truth!
    Be careful that your sin will find you out–let your yea be yea, and your nay be nay, but truth cannot be destroyed and will return to the righteous giver. It’s a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. His eternal judgement is hells fire without receiving the messiah he sent for our redemption. The only name given in heaven or earth we Must believe in for our redemption. We are in the final hours of his appearing, be ready!

  • Claire

    Here I go again. My Mother used to say “never argue about religion and politics.” I can hear her now.

    • Yandle

      Claire, God bless your mother but God’s word says,
      Phil 1:27-28
      Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
      And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.
      Jude 3
      Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should EARNESTLY CONTEND FOR THE FAITH which was once delivered unto the saints.

    • Pat

      Your Mother had Wisdom, Claire. That is why I have stated that I will not debate my Belief, only express it as I understand it and accept it – it is the CHOICE of others whether to “listen” (read) or not. They too, are livng an “example”; i.e., “Actions speak louder than words”. Ones Belief IS a CHOICE – our living while revering those Beliefs, another CHOICE, … just as many have demonstrated with their postings in this blog. “Christianity” has been highly misconstrued and very much, a reference overused. I have witnessed many who refer to themselves as “Christian” and yet live examples that do NOT reflect the Christian Belief (The Scriptures) – I am sure, this (actions) has a bigger impact on those who do not KNOW the Savior of which we speak, no matter how well anyone can quote Scripture.

      We have only the moment we are in – our next breath can instantly, be taken from us. Our Father is in complete control and He said through the Son that He gave to us for the purpose of our Redemption, that while the gate be wide, narrow is the way. (Paraphrased) For those of us who Believe in The Scriptures, we are “seeing” this more and more the longer He allows us our breath. HIS timing is the only timing that matters – HIS WILL will be done. Our years are but a day in His plan, and He will call forth HIS Children (those who have made a decision to accept His Word and His Son as Savior) when HE is ready – the question we need to be concerned about is whether WE are ready! We can’t decide for others – we each will be held accountable for our individual choices. Unless we have already died in Yahshua (death as we know it, having accepted His Salvation prior to our death), we will remain to experience the Tribulation. Frankly, I pray that HIS decision to put an end to the chaotic world in which we are now living, will allow me to die this earthly/human death prior [to that time]. As BELIEVERS, we KNOW that to die IN HIM is to LIVE an everlasting Life. I’m looking forward to that! How sad that those who don’t share this Belief, have nothing in which to look forward. A “Christian” Belief, yes, but more importantly, LIVING that Belief, Scripturally. He Blessed us with Life in America where we KNOW we are FREE to CHOOSE who/what we worship – we are not here to please man, but to live our Lives as best we can (as the humans we are) to please The Creator according to HIS Will; there is only One!

  • http://Yahoo Dee D

    God created four races on earth. Red – Yellow – Black and white. We did not evolve, jump out of trees or crawl out of the water. We were created with seven major systems that must work in harmony for survival. One dies the remaining six die. This was planned, it just did not happen by accident.
    Never the less – I would rather live my life as if there is a God – die – then learn there was never a God – Than live like there were no God – die – then find out there is a God.

    LIFE IS OUR CHECKING ACCOUNT AND WE WILL WITHDRAW WHAT WE DEPOSIT.

    WHEN MANKIND FOUGHT AT THE TOWER OF BABEL, THE LORD SEPERATED US. wE EACH WENT OUR SEPERATE WAY’S CULTIVATED OUR OWN CULTURES, BECOME OUR OWN MEN, DEVELOPED OUR OWN BELIEFS. THUS VARIOUS FORMS OF LIFESTYLES THAT HAVE HELPED MANMY PEOPLE.

    MAYBE WE DON’T UNDERSTAND OTHERS MIND SETS, BUT THAT DOES NOT GIVE US REASON TO MAKE FUN OF ANYONE FOR ANY REASON.

    • phred

      Here, truly, is the problem I have with most of the Christian posters here:
      You have found a spiritual practice that gives you satisfaction. That, of course, is perfectly okay, and I’ve no problem with that. Where the problem comes is that you then assume you can decide for the whole rest of the world what THEY have to practice as well. And you love to waste no time nor words telling us that!
      I’ve asked specifically of one poster here (vern), but would extend the question to the rest of you who think I have to be a Christian:
      What gives your the right, the power, the authority to demand that “there is only one Way, and you must so practice”? What is is that makes y’all think that YOUR “holy bible” is better than someone else’?
      Most of you bitch about the dictatorial policies of various governmental officials, especially the Communist Obama, yet you feel free to attempt to dictate to the rest of us something of a FAR more personal nature.
      The United States was founded such that all hu-mankind might practice freedoms. Freedom of how they make a living, freedom of land ownership, freedom of thought, freedom of speech, freedom of desires. And, as long as those desires and freedoms do no harm to others it USED to be accepted.
      Now, however, we have such absolutely STUPID arguments toward establishing YOUR religious views as the only one, as “the words ‘separation of church’ and state do not appear in the Constitution.” So what? The very First Amendment to the Constitution tells us what the founders wanted, i.e., that the U.S.A. NOT become a theocracy. If you can’t figure that out I tend to blame our public school system.
      So, take the Arrogance Pedestal, and continue telling the rest of us what to believe, what to think, how to feel, see exactly where it leads to! I can see no direction for your stance than toward that of a theocratic dictatorship. Which the founders seemed to have abhorred! As do I.
      I, however, will resist that forever! Thank you.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        phred – God gives us a choice. The choice is ours alone to choose and live by. There are people who want to dictate and tell all how to live.
        This is one great cancer on our society. You can tell a Christian by his actions. He does not have to toot his own horn and he demands nothing other than friendship. Of course he wants to have all join the brotherhood, but each must choose for himself which way to travel.

        • phred

          THAT, Dee D, is exactly what I have said—-seems so many times that y’all would get it. Frankly, and, again, as I’ve said repeatedly, MOST Christians can allow others to have some other spiritual beliefs, and for them I’ve no problem.
          Now, go back and reread some of the posts here. There are two named “James”, but the one whose name appears in blue letters spends a long time trying to tell us, and I quote him, “THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY…”, and quoting the bible, etc. Read verns trash where he squacks that all ” none Christians are SATAN worshipping lowlifes.” These are the people and the things where I get upset—that, and those who do their best to insist that the United States was founded as a Christian nation.
          Even some who try to tell us they are “only stating my beliefs as I understand them” continue to say things like “this is the way it is”, or, “I speak from the ‘word of God’ ” as if their bible is the only one, or at least the only one worth bothering with. Those are, pure and simple, put downs to any others beliefs.
          As I have said, I do not care what spiritual pursuit someone may follow, don’t care what reasons they have, for the reasons are personal, don’t care whether they go to church or slaughter chickens on Sundays. But to insist upon their rightness and/or righteuosness as opposed to, let’s say, since this whole thread is (supposed to be ) about Tiger Woods, Buddhists.
          We have choices, and I am so tired of those who insist that we must be, follow, pass laws favoring, etc. Christianity.
          You may also talk to folks like “vern”—-he is so full of hate, yet he has no idea that he is! And that hate is not just one individual, but many, many Christians, and is an identical hate to that of the radical Muslims that we read so many complaints about.

          • Michael J.

            Phred,
            Phrankly, I don’t see your point. All of us here have the phreedom to choose or not choose to beleive in a religion. Phortunetly phor us, we also have the right to choose or not choose to beleive your cloudy phorcast of phalacies.

          • Joe H.

            Michael J.,
            As ewo would say hands clapping!!! Right over my shaking stomach as I laugh!!!! Thank you kindly!!!!

  • Claire

    My Mother did have wisdom. She believed in God and she taught me and my sisters her same beliefs. It was rare that we missed going to Sunday School and Church every Sunday. It was a simple little country church. And we had to walk to church, to the country school, and to town. We said our prayers when we went to bed, and at mealtime we thanked God for the bounty he had given us. And we were dirt poor. She tried her best to teach us right from wrong, never to steal, never to lie. She taught us to think good thoughts, never evil thoughts. She taught us to treat others like we would want to be treated. And that was a hard one for me since kids picked on us because we were so poor. I can remember saying to the kids that picked on me “put an egg in your shoe and beat it.” I said a cuss word one time and got my mouth washed out with soap. We didn’t have running water and I would grab the pump handle, jump up, and try to pull the handle down with my thin little body. It took all the strength I had to carry that bucket of water to the house. We went barefoot in the summer and got shoes when school started. I remember wanting a pair of “Mary Jane” slippers and crying because I didn’t get them. I had to get the sturdy shoes for school. My Mother told me that I should be thankful I had feet to put them on. We had chores to do every day. Feed the chickerns, pigs, cows and gather the eggs. We would always have an enormous garden and canned goods were placed under the beds and all over the house. We picked gooseberries, wild strawberries, raspberries everything that was edible. Woke up every morning at 5:00 and started working. I’m sorry for rambling but the older I get, I think of all these years and the simple life we led. The memories I have could fill a book. But I know one thing for sure, my sisters and I did have a good life in many ways. It just depends on how you look at things. I hope am a better person because of my Mother.

    • Joe H.

      Claire,
      Do you know what is crazy??? That even with all the worldly goods I have today, that life sounds beautiful!!!! I wish I could return to days so simple!!!

      • Claire

        JoeH—We finally got electricity when I was about 10-11 years old. We didn’t have a TV until I was a Junior in high school! I kid you not! I got to see Elvis on the Ed Sullivan show!! Gosh, my Mother did not like him at all!! We made up our own games, rode our horses bareback. I got chased by the neighbor’s black angus bull, but I rolled under the barbed wire fence just in time. I thought I was going to die it scared me so bad. I always hated when my stepfather would butcher a cow or a pig. I could NOT eat the meat. I would sit at the table and cry. Those animals were my friends! I would get in so much trouble for not eating the meat. And yes, material things can be nice but as I get older I realize that they are not what counts in life. Take care.

        • denniso

          Claire…I grew up w/ farmers around us killing pigs,cows and chickens. I never liked it. I have been a vegetarian now for 30 yrs.

          • Claire

            denniso–You know, I am too!!! I love all vegetables!! Spinach!!! Yea!!! I certainly learned to eat them when I was a kid. And yogurt!! I love peach yogurt and bagels.

        • Pat

          “Thank-you” for sharing your memories, Claire – they are beautiful. Your post was like a breath of fresh air compared to many in this blog. I can truly relate; we, too, had little in materialism, but we WERE really happy. We were taught Christian values in living this Life by our Mother who was forced to work three jobs at one time [because we had an irresponsible alcoholic for a father], just to keep us together (six children) when it wasn’t the “norm” for Moms to go outside the home to work. She taught us Biblical principles and the “Golden Rule’, just as yours did – she prayed on bended knee and read The Scriptures both morning and night – a memory I will cherish forever. BECAUSE she lived the example of unconditional Love and the way of forgiveness, we grew up hating the the crutch of alcoholism our father succumed to, but we never stopped loving him. There is definitely something to be said about a simpler way of Life and it seems those of us who had to struggle and experience the unkindnesses of others who had more [materialistically], know how to appreciate and are aware of the little Blessings in this Life. When you become old enough to look back and realize that you’ve already lived more of your Life than you have ahead of you, the strength of a firm foundation in Biblical Faith and principle, certainly gives one peace of mind in a world that is rapidly, deteriorating. Because we had Mothers who lived their Faith and instilled within us those same values, we have the assurance of a better Life to come and the sweet joy of knowing that once again, we will be in their presence.

          • Claire

            Pat–thank you for your reply.

  • ColinCody

    Claire, my father made what was then a reasonably good living working in the rubber plant in Port Neches, Texas, so we did not live in poverty back then when I was a kiddo. However, we were, indeed, “poor” by today’s standards. I look back on my youth as being a much happier time in not only my own life but also in the life of the entire nation. Our culture has become something I would not have recognized as being American in my youth and we are all vastly the poorer for it. Young people today have no idea how wonderful it was to live in small town America during the 40s and 50s. Where I lived, there were no drugs or gangs or dangerous kids in school. We children played games of our own devising outside (even a peculiar form of tennis) after school, flew little motorized airplanes, went fishing often and wandered the nearby woods like the adventurers we admired in the many books we read. There was no TV available in Port Neches, so we listened to the radio: Jack Armstrong the All American Boy, Our Miss Brooks, The Lone Ranger, Amos and Andy, Lets Pretend, Henry Aldrich and other such endearingly entertaining shows. We were more psychologically and physically healthy then than are the children of today because there were no evil influences in our lives and we rarely ate junk food. We were never seriously ill and there was no obesity among us. We were in church whenever the doors were open and we enjoyed being there. Popular music was real music, beautiful music sung by people with genuinely good singing voices. It was a gloriously wonderful time to grow up in this then great nation. I feel sorry for the youth of today, and just a tad sorry for us older folks also. Our future looks like it may soon become bleak here in the US, but at least we have lots of good memories and, most important for some of us, a soundly based hope of a happy life in heaven with our friends and relatives some day.

    • Claire

      Yes, it was a simple life. What about “The Shadow,” “My Gal Sunday” Ma & Pa Kettle. They were hilarious.

  • ColinCody

    Claire, my father made what was then a reasonably good living working in the rubber plant in Port Neches, Texas, so we did not live in poverty back then when I was a kiddo. However, we were, indeed, “poor” by today’s standards.

    I look back on my youth as being a much more carefree time in not only my own life but also in the life of the entire nation.

    Our culture has become something I would not have recognized as being American in my youth and we are all vastly the poorer for it. Young people today have no idea how wonderful it was to live in small town America during the 40s and 50s. Where I lived, there were no drugs or gangs or dangerous kids in school. We children played games of our own devising outside (even a peculiar form of tennis) after school, flew little motorized airplanes, went fishing often and wandered the nearby woods like the adventurers we admired in the many books we read and old west movies we saw on Saturday mornings.

    There was no TV available in Port Neches, so we listened to the radio: Jack Armstrong the All American Boy, Our Miss Brooks, The Lone Ranger, Amos and Andy, Lets Pretend, Henry Aldrich and other such endearingly entertaining shows.

    We were more psychologically and physically healthy then than are the children of today because there were few to no evil influences in our lives and we rarely ate junk food. We were never seriously ill and there was no obesity among us.

    We were in church whenever the doors were open and we enjoyed being there. The teaching we received informed our lives 24/7.

    Popular music was real music, beautiful music sung by people with genuinely good singing voices.

    It was a gloriously wonderful time to grow up in this then great nation. I feel sorry for the youth of today, and just a tad sorry for us older folks also. Our future looks like it may soon become bleak here in the US, but at least we oldsters have lots of good memories and, supremely important for some of us, a soundly based hope of a happy life in heaven with our Heavenly Father, our Savior, our friends and our relatives some day perhaps sooner than we think if Obama has his way.

    • Michele

      You just had to go there, huh? Couldn’t resist a little “Obama is destroying Western Civilization as we know it” right there at the end?

      The past was not that rosy. Blacks didn’t get rights until the 1960′s. Women were (are) second class citizens. Lots of women had abortions…just not in a medical facility. Abuse of women and children was common. It just wasn’t on TV. It wasn’t talked about.

      President Obama is a man. He represents the United States as the elected Head of State. He does not think he is a king.

      GW Bush gave us 2 wars that cost 10 BILLION dollars a month, warrantless wire tapping, Guantanemo, No Child Left Behind, and lest I forget…the world economic collapse. GW Bush let Dick Cheney and his cohorts run this country in to the ground. He did think he was a king.

      It had nothing to do with religion. All to do with power and money.

      • denniso

        Michele….good comment,and isn’t it amazing…Cheny left the country and world in tatters,Obama and the Dems(w/ no Repub help)are trying to repair the most damage to the country since the civil war.and all we hear is that Obama is trying to enslave us and make the world into a socialist-Muslim kingdom w/ him as dictator. It actually makes me think some of these people are locked up somewhere.

      • coal miner

        Michele,

        The way to go.I couldn’t said it any better.Tell it like it is.They can’t stand it,because Obama got elected.

      • Pat

        Michele, Michele, … you are missing the point of what this blog was about. You, like so many, are so consumed with WHO’S TO BLAME regarding the deterioration of this Nation, and whether YOU want to admit it or not, YOUR IDEALOLOGY is precisely “why”, Obama and his back-room POLITICIANS are so swiftly putting this Nation down!! It IS all about POWER, and he and his corrupt ‘friends’ are mopping up the AMERICAN society and wringing us into a SOCIALIST society – he IS a DICTATOR in place of being a PRESIDENT FOR ‘WE THE PEOPLE’!!!

        How dare you! It is very apparent that YOU have NO MORALS because you feel abortion is just another avenue for “human rights”, and you scream, RACISM regarding your views of ‘Blacks rights’! It WASN’T OUR FAULT Black America suffered such indignities then – WE, who were taught ‘CHRISTIANITY’, did NOT LIKE IT, EITHER! There AGAIN, POLITICS got in the way! BECAUSE you EXPRESS it as vehemently as you do, I doubt that you had any upbringing in FAITH as with a SPIRITUAL background, you WOULD REALIZE that their IS ONLY ONE who is in complete control, and it ISN’T OBAMA!!

        NONE OF WE WHO SPOKE OF LIVING IN A KINDER, GENTLER time in which to grow up, SAID that it was “ROSY” – on the contrary; had you READ the postings CLEARLY, you’d have understood this. For many of us who had so little materialistically, we had EVERYTHING because we KNEW LOVE, we KNEW IMAGINATION, we KNEW FAMILY TOGETHERNESS and COMMITTMENT – we LIVED WITH MORALS and we KNEW the INSPIRATION and VALUE of a STRONG FAITH. NONE OF US SAID ANYONE WAS A ‘KING’!! There is only ONE KING – you CAN KNOW HIM, and one day, you WILL MEET HIM – THAT’S a PROMISE! Did you FORGET that this Country was established because The People made a CHOICE – A DECISION NOT TO BE GOVERNED BY A KING???

        Good Luck with YOUR LIFE – for those of us who DID grow up in the 40s and 50s, BECAUSE YOU NEVER EXPERIENCED those times, … you can’t possibly appreciate them NOR should you be voicing anything you [really] don’t know anything about. Perhaps, … just perhaps, I have misinterpreted your post – IF I did, I apologize. At least, I was raised to be fair enough and strong enough to apologize when I am wrong. PRAYER is very powerful – it does NOT MATTER who does NOT agree with that viewpoint. Because I KNOW it can make a difference, I will be praying for you and those who share YOUR views, and especially, for this Nation. Those of us who profess the CHRISTIAN Faith, KNOWS that our Father ALLOWS circumstances in our Lives that often, we cannot understand or change, but ultimately, we KNOW HE has a PURPOSE AND A PLAN for each of us. SADLY, our Country is suffering because too many [conveniently] forget this Nation HAS a CONSTITUTION and they ARE CHOOSING NOT to recognize or live with/by it. BUT, … those of us who KNOW we have a CREATOR and KNOW HE IS IN CONTROL, have a ‘grounding’ that gives us the courage and strength to carry on – that’s exactly, “why” we can look back and appreciate the 40s and 50s. I’m really sorry you don’t/can’t understand this.

        • michele

          Thank you for making my point.

        • Joe H.

          Michelle,
          It would help you greatly if you would remember that not everyone treated people the way you talk! In my extended family my Grand mother was top sarge!! If she said do it you did it or grand pap would see you did!! My father had 16 brothers and sisters and you can make all the jokes you want, I’ve heard them all!! My father living in michigan had Blacks around our house all the time as friends of ours or his! I had a Black teach me to write at four years old in my dads home. He let my own brother quit working for him and hired a Mexican man in his place for the same wage he was making and when my brother found out he didn’t make as much working for the gas station he was working for and asked for his job back my father told him no it would not be right to fire Rodrigues and give him his job back!!! He learned a good lesson that year!!!

        • usmadgirl

          Pat,

          Thank you for speaking MY mind! It kept me from having to think about what I wanted to say & type it all while I’m trying to work. I couldn’t have said it better myself! God bless you & God bless our country!

          • Pat

            “Thank-you”, USMADGIRL – I realize there are a few who seemingly, set out to upset those of us who have been sharing our thoughts, but one day they WILL look back at their anger and wonder why they wasted their energy! Blessings to you and yours.

    • Pat

      “Thank-you”, Colin, for sharing the joys and happiness we had then – today’s world can’t comprehend it or understand it. That’s okay – IF they get to be old enough to “look back” on THEIR lives, it would be interesting to “see” just what “happiness” they can write about. Kudos! :)

    • Dusty Embers

      I enjoyed your post about small town life back then, but I’m not sure it was all as perfect as you remember. My grandfather grew up in Bisbee, AZ in the 20′s. He told me how he witnessed a mob savagely beat a Hispanic man who made some comments about a white woman passing on the street. He also told about a public hanging he attended as a boy; a woman who murdered her husband in his sleep was executed. She came from a nearby town. Whorehouses lined the main street of Bisbee; in fact, once his father was driving a wagonload of chickens when it overturned and the chickens escaped. Many of the whores, in various states of undress, came out to help him gather them up.

      My father grew up in Mesa, AZ (population 25,000 then) in the 50′s. He was always chubby as a boy, despite his mother’s best efforts to give him healthy meals and keep him away from sweets. Racial tensions were high between whites, Mexicans, and Pima Indians from the nearby Reservation. At school there were often fights between these kids because of racial slurs. And of course, when he got to high school there was always one particular drug, alcohol, at the weekend parties.

      • Claire

        Dusty–your life was apparently different. We lived in the country, there were no Blacks and no Hispanics where I lived.

      • Pat

        Dusty, I think that while we each lived different experiences then, now that we’re older, we tend to remember the good or happier times. As bad as it was for some of your family over the years, I am sure that there was some good interwoven in there somewhere – just as when those scantily clad women came out to help your Great Grandfather with capturing those chickens. We wouldn’t approve of their way of Life, but we could appreciate their willingness to help your Great Grandfather. “Thanks” for reminding us that Life is molded by many different aspects.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/17386914794545321081 William

    For all of you that hate “christians” and think they are hypocrites, you have not met an authentic Christian. True there are many hypocritical, back sliding, false converts in American pews today. One reason is that the mainstream church lost its salt and light (and spine) about 45 years ago, and what is being preached in pulptis today is a watered down, seeker friendly message, so no real repentance and life changing conversion is taking place. When one comes to the knowledge that they have sinned againsta Holy creator, and are already under wrath ( no hope) “….and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him”
    John 3:36
    abd then come to the cross in repentance, are forgiven and filled with the Holy Spirit……these are true Christians, those whom are living spirit filled transformed lives. Perfect??? By no means!!!! No Chritian believes that in spite of people criticising christians for beiong judgemental, self righteous, etc. This is a cop out by people who do not want to hear truth about who they REALLY are and what theie real condition is before God. I am sick and tired of hearing all the criticism when ever a Christian mentions the word “sin” or “hell” or Judgement, etc. Open your eyes and ears people!!!!!
    Maybe when a Christian is talking to you about sin, and the need to repent and turn to Christ, perhaps they are NOT in fact judgeing or accusing you, but there is a poosibility they are trying to convey a serious message with eternal implications out of care for your soul.

    Read this following article as to one reason WHY there is so much hypocrisy in the so called “christian church”.

    http://thoughtsonmodernaltercalls.blogspot.com/

    Note: There is a remnant of TRUE believers outside of the mainstream church. Remember, Jesus said:

    “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’” Matthew 7:21-23

    • Pat

      WOW! “Thank-you”, William – I no longer attend a “church” because it too, has missed the point of the ‘message of Salvation’ – one doesn’t need to sit in a beautified sanctuary somewhere in order to KNOW our Messiah; too many churches are more concerned with the number of attendance [and the dollars attendance represents] than saving souls for the Kingdom. Yes, it’s good IF one is being ‘Spiritually fed’ by attending a worship service somewhere, but if the “messages” are just routine doctrine, then it’s better to study The Scriptures and live Life according to the HOLY BIBLE’s instruction – “fellowship” is nice, but sitting in a beautified sanctuary isn’t going to make a difference. And, you are right when you say so many are lashing out at those of us who are trying to “teach” that there IS a Yahweh/God who IS in charge and that He DOES CARE about THEIR SOUL rather than to get so caught up in THIS Life/world.

      MATTHEW 28:18) “And Yahweh came up and spoke to them saying, ‘ALL authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19) Therfore, go and make taught ones of ALL THE NATIONS, immersing them in the NAME OF THE FATHER and the SON and of the Set-apart SPIRIT, 20) teaching them to guard all that I have commanded you. And see, I am WITH YOU ALWAYS, until the end of the age. AMEN’. (The Scriptures)

      It IS a CHOICE, People.

    • Yandle

      Thank-you William. Your comments are true and the best on this post.

    • eyeswideopen

      William, what is your opinion on the Uganda situation where their politicians who are Christians are proposing legislation to kill gays, for being gay? As a Christian doesn’t that scare you and go against our basic belief of not killing?

      • Joe H.

        eyes,
        there are exceptions to EVERY rule in life, get over yourself!!! Those are non-believers killing people not true believers. what about the Muslims that kill non-believers? As you are so fond of saying does that make all Muslims killers?

        • denniso

          All fundamentalist religious belief of any sort usually tends to intolerance and hatred and often violence…Christian,Muslim,and others.

        • eyeswideopen

          Joe, nope those are “true Christians” just ask our Senators from “C” street. See above post for links showing US involvement in the proposed legislation to kill the gays.

  • http://THWTCO Joseph W. Ryder

    In the beginning God created heaven and earth, six chapters into Genesis God destroyed man, except eight people, flood killed all sinful man. Satan reared his ugly head when Noah was drunk on wine Ham done to his drunken father the unimaginable, Shem and JAPHETH walked backward covered fathers nakedness, by Ham gays and lesbians were in the world. Man today is closer than ever Christ second coming,Politics instead of following Gods teachings has put the world at the edge. Politics breeds hate and discontent in man and the hatred of his intentions what is more important, some political affiliation, or the promises of God. After all its a matter of life and eternal death. Politics cannot save you or man, Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. Because of world problems we cannot see past our Corneas, Call on politics to save us then the biggie, ask God Bless America. God knows our thoughts, utter disregard of ten commandments waiting for some politician to introduce a new law that will make our lives Much better.
    Politics hung Christ on the cross, They requested Barabbas, to be released, Christ was preordained to give life for sinners, will you politician do that?

  • Bill

    No I don’t think Brit Hume is to Christian. Christianity is a choice.Our little golfing delinquent needs to make better choices.

    • Pat

      “Thanks”, Bill – to the point of this whole blog! You said it well. ;)

  • Dusty Embers

    What if a Muslim cleric had been on and said, “Tiger, you should submit to the will of Allah and become Muslim. Only then will you find peace”? Would the “brouhaha” (especially from Fox news) be more or less strident?

    • chuck b

      dusty

      it wouldn’t be “brouhaha” it would be hahaha!

  • Mariom Freuthal

    Incidentally, Buddhism doesn’t conflict with Christianity. Buddhism is a philosophy, not a religion. Tiger could embrace both Buddhism and Christianity. Mr. Woods could find forgiveness through Christ and still embrace Buddhism. Bret Hume gave Tiger some helpful advice because he cares about what happens to Tiger. Would a Muslim come forward to advise Tiger about forgiveness?

    What would Jesus do? He would forgive Tiger. “Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.”

    • michele

      Mariom,

      I don’t disagree with your point.

      The reason I object to what Hume did is that he did it in public, to publicly humiliate Tiger Woods, to increase FOX ratings. It was very calculated because it has kept a lot of focus on the FOX Network and whatever Rupert Murdoch’s agenda is.

      If Brit Hume really cared about Tiger Woods he would have called him on the phone and offered his advice directly to him.

      • Joe H.

        michele,
        that is what is known as your opinion! There is no way you could possibly know what was in Britts mind unless he came to youmand said “I did this to humiliate Tiger Woods!” He didn’t and you don’t!!!

        • Smilee

          Joe

          You just accused Michele of what you are guilty of in about 9 out 10 of your posts, her analysis seems very logical to me and if we could know what is in his mind I’m betting that is what it is

      • Pat

        As Joe H. said, that is YOUR opinion, Michele. And Yahshua WANTS us to take a public stand for Him:

        Matt. 10:33 – ‘But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.’

        Again, believing this Scripture and professing Christianity IS a CHOICE.

    • Pat

      Exactly! “Thank-you”, Mariom.

    • eyewideopen

      Mariom, so why should Britt be allowed to cast a stone at Tiger? Are you saying that Britt is sinnless?

      • Joe H.

        EWO,
        What stone did he cast? How did he judge him? He only told him what he has found to be true in his association with Christ!!!! If someone had terrible indigestion and you were taking an over the counter medicine available to everyone wouldn’t you tell them about it??? Basically the same. The symptoms are the actions taken by Tiger and the medicine for the actions is Jesus Christ!!!

  • Greg

    what happens to most of the posts on here..sometimes they are here, the next time they are not..

  • Greg

    Bottom line is PC. It’s fine to champion the little guy, but to make the little guy the focus and give him props and make laws that piss everybody else off is what has divided the country. Christians, Muslims, and Jews are never going to agree with the homosexual lifestyle, so the media champions the gay cause and calls only Christians intolerant. If you have no conviction other than to have no conviction then you get a free pass even though the truth is it’s just a cop out. We should racially profile at the airport because it doesn’t make good sense financially not to. If you are Arab, dark-skinned, etc. then you get special attention. So what..maybe a little peer pressure will cause good Muslims to put a stop to their evil brothers rather than penalizing everybody. The ADA is indirectly responsible for the closing of or canceling of development of recreational facilities because the cost of facilities for a minute number of people is too high. In other words, we can’t build that new sports complex that only healthy children could play at anyway because we have to have elevators in the press boxes for someone to come and watch. They are responsible for the destruction of golf courses because they let disabled people drive on the putting greens and make ruts for other golfers to putt through. Oh, but that’s okay. We just pissed off basically everybody just in case somebody needed an elevator, or one person that couldn’t walk wanted to play a sport that they can’t really ever be proficient at anyway. I think some people just need to accept their limitations and quit penalizing everybody else. Who would start a new business in this country with all the ridiculous requirements, taxes, etc.?? The last town I lived in had a fabulous sports complex with press boxes that had elevators, showers, etc. They were built mostly with private donations, but the press boxes cost over 300k a piece. Most of that was because of ADA requirements for elevators etc. But..but..I’m so wrong, it’s not everybody, because there are always exceptions. Our concern for the one has destroyed the liberties of the masses. Call me racist, intolerant, or whatever, but what happened to common sense?? There are winners and losers. There are exceptional students. Most people in this country do believe in God. Most charitable contributions are made by religious organizations and most real, organized charitable institutions in 3rd world countries are Christian Mission projects. In fact as Christianity dies in our country it is exploding in the 3rd world. Looks like about 4 people are stirring the pot on here. Go over to the atheist website with your brothers and laugh at the Christians. There are people just like that that initiate most posts on my college football team’s chat boards. Why don’t they go to their own team’s site!! Why, because they get off on protesting the establishment. Don’t they understand that without an establishment then there is nothing but anarchy?? In fact the 4 people on here who are keeping this discussion going are about equivalent to the percentage of people in this country who don’t believe in God. We aren’t going to send you to the gas chambers, but it doesn’t make sense to give you the key to the castle either.

    • Pat

      Here, Here, Greg! Unfortunately, not everyone is Blessed WITH ‘common sense’, but you’ve made some great points! “Thank-you” for speaking so boldly.

    • eyewideopen

      Greg, actually the Atheists give the Christians more respect, than the Christians give to each other. This idea that one sect of the Christian religion is the “only correct one” is demeaning to all. Many on this post are flat out stating that you must believe the way they do or you will be going to hell. Hyprocrisy is demeaning to the Chrisitan faith and until anyone on this post can state that they are perfect, then and only then should they sit in judgement of others. (Not going to happen) Just because someone asks you your opinion doesn’t mean you have to give one, use common sense and show respect for others. If Britt truly cared about Tigers morals, he could have contacted him in private, this was just an ugly way to hold himself above another and drum up ratings.

  • JeffH

    Want to see a real mindless, opportunistic jerk at work, just watch this.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR7EPk-f-Lo&feature=related

    Brit Hume obviously has strong religious beliefs and certainly wasn’t trying to belittle Tiger Woods. Was his show the right avenue for his statement? Yes. Does everybody agree? No. Once again, we see another example of free speech. Isn’t it beautiful. To think that Obama would prefer censorship of FOX and not allow us to see these important opinions. Amazing.

    • eyeswideopen

      Obama, doesn’t want to censor Fox, he doesn’t want to be associated with it, as it promotes lies and distorts the truth. He is allowed t have personal choices doesn’t he?

      • JeffH

        …as do you and your left wingnut kind, the blindest group of individuals in this country. Your minds have been so distorted with hatred and the liberal bile that you can’t distinguish truth from a fantasy world, which, by the way, is the world you now live in.

        • eyewideopen