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Is Barack Obama A Socialist?

May 7, 2010 by  

Is Barack Obama A Socialist?

Is Barack Obama a socialist? Ron Paul says he’s not. A lot of you insist he is. The national director of Democratic Socialists of America claims that “the most socialistic candidate in the 2008 election was Sarah Palin.” (Don’t ask me what he’s been smoking.)

And in a famous cover story a year ago, Newsweek magazine insisted, “We Are All Socialists Now.”

I don’t much like political labels, for a couple of reasons. Too often, they are used not to encourage a helpful discussion, but to end it. And for another, I’ve never found a political label that I’m comfortable wearing. So I hesitate slapping one on someone else.

More on this in a moment. But first, let me tell you a story from my checkered past that may shed some light on the present debate.

Does anyone remember the first Mr. Jane Fonda? No, I’m not referring to Ted Turner, but to Jane’s first husband, a radical agitator named Tom Hayden. Tom gained fame as a crusader for the SDS—the Students for a Democratic Society—a very left-wing group on college campuses back in the 60s and 70s. By the time of our encounter he was a state representative in California.

Tom and Jane were quite a couple back then. She was by far the more famous of the two—a movie star who achieved considerable notoriety for her efforts in support of a communist victory in Vietnam. She even posed astraddle an anti-aircraft battery in Hanoi—a weapon whose only purpose was to shoot down American planes.

Not to be outdone, Tom made as many outrageous statements as Jane. Along with his buddies Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin, Tom was convicted of inciting riots at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago. Later, he and Jane made several trips to communist North Vietnam. As I said, they were quite a pair.

I had tried for years to get Jane as a guest on my radio program in Atlanta, but no dice. Frankly, I couldn’t blame her. It’s no fun to be called a traitor. Even if she trusted me to avoid name-calling, she knew that she would be excoriated by most of the callers to “The Chip Wood Show.”

So I was really surprised when I was contacted by Tom’s publisher and asked if I would like to have him as a guest on my show. He wouldn’t be there in person, but would join us by phone to plug his new book.

I quickly said “yes.” I assured the public relations lady I would insist that every caller behave politely, even when they disagreed with her client—as we both knew they would.

So, a few weeks later Tom was a guest on my show. And sure enough the second or third caller to get through started off by accusing Tom of being a communist agitator. Tom scoffed at the accusation. He said he had heard it many times before, but all it showed was his attackers’ ignorance of political systems.

To the surprise of many, I promptly agreed with him. I said that to most people, “communism” meant a total takeover by the state of everything—factories, farms, schools, etc. Not just the means of production but the means of distribution as well. And he wasn’t advocating that, was he? Tom said “of course not.”

“No, if I understand you correctly,” I continued, “you’re okay with ownership remaining in private hands, so long as government steps in to make sure things are done fairly. Is that right?”

Tom said absolutely, that was precisely what he wanted. And he went on to give several examples of how government must make sure that jobs and education and healthcare, among many other things, are distributed fairly to every citizen.

Then came the denouement. “What you’ve described isn’t communism or socialism,” I continued. “Isn’t the system you want—where ownership remains in private hands, but its use is controlled by government—actually a form of fascism?”

There was a stunned silence as I continued, “In fact, Tom, isn’t it fair to say that the economic system you want to impose on us in the United States is actually classical fascism, as practice in Hitler’s Germany and Mussolini’s Italy?”

With that there was a click on the other end of the line. Tom had ended the discussion by hanging up the phone. Can’t say I was very surprised.

So is Barack Obama a socialist? A fascist? Or something else?

Paul says the president is not a socialist, he’s a “corporatist.” He explains the difference this way:

“Socialism is a system where the government directly owns and manages businesses. Corporatism is a system where businesses are nominally in private hands, but are in fact controlled by the government. In a corporatist state, government officials often act in collusion with their favored business interests to design policies that give those interests a monopoly position, to the detriment of both competitors and consumers.”

Hard to disagree with much in that last paragraph, is there? My only problem with the argument is getting the public to accept Ron’s description. I don’t think corporatist will ever become a popular catch-phrase in this country.

On the other hand, I’ve never been happy with any of the words and phrases used to describe my position on the political spectrum. Most of the world today would call me a “conservative.” But I’m certainly not trying to “conserve” the present status quo; I want to change it rather drastically.

But to what? A century or two ago, I would have been proud to have been called a liberal. For the first two-thirds of our country’s history, “liberal” meant someone who wanted the maximum amount of liberty for every individual. But in the past hundred years, that meaning got flip-flopped. Today, a liberal is someone who favors more and more government intrusion into our lives and our economy. That sure isn’t me. Right-winger is even less descriptive—especially the exaggeration favored by many on the left, an “ultra-right-winger.”

Before settling on a label, let’s see if we can agree on a political spectrum. And let’s make the criterion the amount of government power over its citizens. On the far left, you have total government control of everyone and everything. In our lifetime, the closest thing to that description has been the various communist dictatorships.

What about the Nazis? They were a pretty fierce dictatorship, too, weren’t they? Absolutely. That’s why they belong right next to communism on the political spectrum. After all, the very word “nazi” is a contraction for “national socialism.” There is nothing right-wing about it—despite decades of brainwashing to the contrary by the mass media.

Okay, if total government belongs on the far left, what belongs on the far right? How about no government? There is a word for the complete absence of government and that is anarchy. Historically, anarchy has occurred when an existing system has collapsed. But it doesn’t last for long; it is usually replaced by a strong, even brutal, totalitarian form of government.

So where does this place us? I like to think I’m somewhere in the middle between anarchy and totalitarianism. Or as a friend of mine put it many years ago in a book, we’re slightly to the right. But what’s the best word to describe that?

Not “conservative,” as I’ve already said. Not right-wing or ultra-right-wing, which are pejoratives our opponents like to use.

For many years, I tried to get others to accept the word “Americanist” to describe someone who believed in the same system of government as our founding fathers. I still like the idea, but the word never caught on. Neither did an alternate, “constitutionalist.”

What about “libertarian”? Even though it’s been used for several decades, and as a political party it has fielded candidates for public office on the state and national level, it has never gained broad appeal or acceptance. Too bad, because the root word “liberty” is a good one.

So it looks like the debate will continue. Is Obama a socialist? Is Chip a conservative? I think the policies we promote are more important than the labels we are given.

I believe government is not the solution, it’s the problem. Barack Obama and his allies believe the opposite.

What do you say?

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

—Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • shasta

    yeah, socialism really works Ovomit, lookie at Greece, sure looks inviting, dont it?????????????????????

    • Radio UpNorth

      Democracy is socialism.

      Despite that, what form of government is better?

      What are we keeping our powder dry for, to start shooting each other when we give up on our Democracy?

      • http://halo-works.com Maureen

        I beg to differ…we don’t have and never did have a Democracy. We were set up as a Republic….

        All the difference as between Greece and Rome…look up your history, folks

        • http://naver samurai

          It even says “to the republic for which it stands…” in the Pledge of Aligence. We are and republic who elects our representatives in a democratic fashion by voting them in (or in the DEMS case) or out. Read your history and you’ll know the truth about how we were founded.

          • RicSeag

            “We have given youu a Democratic-Republic…if you can keep it.”
            –Benjamin Franklin

            The Pledge of Allegiance has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the founding of this country. Our founders were about 125 years dead by the time the pledge – and the government compulsion to recite it- became part of our nation.

            Based on what I’m reading here, Franklin had reason to worry. I’m not sure many here even know what a Democratic-Republic is anymore -beyond sloganeering.

        • Anthony

          Correct. We have a Republic. This is where the Owners of MSM, like to coax and goad people into thinking otherwise. They consistently use the word [ democracy ] in everything they discuss politically. Like that bad commercial “Where’s the beef?”, after awhile people fall into the trap of repetition. Repetition then becomes habit and the true nature of the meaning can be molded for private profit.

          A democracy is nothing more than Mob Rule. That’s its essence.
          From that platform, if you own the Media – you can then…….

          Here, in this Country, we are currently in a former Republic that has since taken to behaving as a Democracy with very communistic traits. The essence of the Republic is still there, since the Declaration and the Constitution have yet to be shreded (for real) or burned in the public square.

          For years, I always considered myself to be a Conservative – and after much homework over the last year, on what many are coming together on (especially on philosophy), I can see I’ve been what Chip calls: A Libertarian. And, on this note, I saw in our Primaries that we had NO options to vote for any Libertarian Candidates whatsoever, this time around.

          Folks – this is decidedly NOT a good thing – it’s the worst kind of precident setting act, by our own local communiteis obviously behaving from the top down, as opposed from the People back to the Government. Notice I do not say, from the People… up. That’s not how it was designed to work. In the discussion about Lincoln, it’s staetd how ol’ Abe described our Founding Fathers as having “brought forth a NATION” – they didn’t bring forth a contract, or anything else… it was a Nation, from which the government gets their authority lended to them from the People.

          Groups like the Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relation, Trilateral Commission, etc. Even Hollywood, Mainstream Media – which includes almost ALL television stations, cable or otherwise… they are all working to reverse what the Declaration and Constitution have given us. Ben Franklin was right – vigilance was needed and we decided to call off. We played hookey. We decided not to come to work. THIS situation is OUR fault. No one gets a free exception to that discussion.

          Looks like ol’ Joe McCarthy was even more right than he already knew he was.

          Now – what do we do about this, especially after Patriot Acts I & II ??

      • ORveteran

        You should really look up what this country really is. We have never been a Democracy, that always turns into Socialism or Communism, we are a Republic (or at least we were, I’m not so sure anymore). We are a country of laws not of men.
        The reason this article is good is that it’s true, there is too much emphasis on labeling everyone. I am guilty of it myself. You can call politicians names all day long and they wouldn’t care because it takes the focus off where it needs to be, on what they are up to.
        How many people knew about the fact that the House of Representatives just voted to make Puerto Rico a state again? This time though they aren’t just going to have the people vote whether they want to be a state or not they are going to ask them if they like things the way they are and if they say no then they will be asked what they want, and the choices are limited, with the least objectionable probably being statehood.
        Also, the congress is working on a bill named the Police and Firefighter Monopoly Bargaining Bill (S3194) that will force all police and firefighters to be under big labor unions with towns and municipalities that use volunteers for either or both will not be able to. All of them will be unionized.
        Quit playing the name game and for those of you trying to confuse the issues ‘American Liberal’ for one, crawl back into your hole and let the people that love the country for what it was and what it is supposed to be get back control over the government. It is supposed to be “of the people, by the people, and for the people” and not for the government.
        People that like the direction the country is heading (off a cliff, as stated by another post) move to Europe you might like it there, especially Greece, I hear their socialist government, with its union monopolies, is doing pretty well.

        • mark

          What am I? I believe in captalism, but I believe their should be safety nets to help people. I believe businesses must have restrictions. I believe that we must have secure borders. Illegal alliens should go back home and come in legally. I believe a woman has a right to an abortion. I believe that every American has the same rights and that is a right to a free education, food, shelter, free medical care (the poor deserve the same care as a rich person), the right to own a gun. If capitalism connot provide enough jobs for the people the governmnet should provide jobs for people. I believe we should have a strong military but we should not be the world’s policeman. I beleive that we should not have foreign aid until every American is out of poverity. I believe in a clean enviroment. I believe we should be neutral in the mid-east and give Israel and the other mid-east countries no aid. I believe in America First. What am I? A liberal, conservative, a moderate, a socialist? What am I?

          • Right Wing

            Mark you seem confused. I believe you are a liberal with some conservative undertones because you trend toward having the government provide charity. One of the biggest divisions between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives have maintained the constitutional basis that charity is a moral obligation, not a legal one. It is simply not part of the constitutional right of the federal government to provide money for charity…period. As the government increases its role as a charitable “caretaker”, it limits the role of individual free choice. You might believe like many liberals that people with wealth are more focused on self than the welfare of fellow Americans? This may be a correct assessment from the perspective that the wealthy do seek to make the poor equally wealthy through charitable donations. Charity is provided as a relief to make life bearable for those in dire need and as a temporary relief for those that are able to return to work and provide for themselves and their family. Many say, and I believe it also, that the government ranks among the lowest in ability to effectively manage any aspect of American life that the constitution intended to be managed by The People.

            You are an American no doubt and I applaud your post for its honesty and what seems to be a true desire to make sense of this mess we find ourselves in. I certainly do not possess the skills to craft a document that I would feel comfortable as a replacement for the Constitution that has guided us this far. I firmly believe that we need to redirect our course toward the simple guiding principles of our country’s founding documents. They were written and signed by some of the most forward thinking people with a fresh sense of well earned freedoms from an oppressive government. It will take fortitude, courage and strong convictions to turn the tide and deal with the inevitable fallout from such efforts. Whatever the outcome, we who believe in the intended direction of our founding principles must have the moxie to shed many of the political cobwebs laid by fruitless or misguided endeavors and embrace the challenges. Those who are signatory to the effort must maintain their support and accept that such a monumental redirection will take time and attract unimaginable criticism.

          • Right Wing

            Correction: “This may be a correct assessment from the perspective that the wealthy do (NOT) seek to make the poor equally wealthy through charitable donations.

          • SiliconDoc

            How can anyone have a right to free shelter, free food, free education, and free medical care, unless YOU ENSLAVE OTHERS TO DO THE WORK TO PROVIDE ALL OF THAT ?
            What has happened between the USA’s Founding and now is “modern capitalist production” that has provided this nation and many others with an OVERABUNDANCE of food, clothing, and shelter (although not medical care).
            The industrial revolution solved food clothing and shelter shortages, which of course were very present during the FOUNDING of the USA.
            The Founding Fathers could have never intended that all We The People had an inherent God Given right to all those three, let alone medical care, since those four things DID NOT EXIST IN QUANTITIES LARGE ENOUGH TO EVEN OFFER THAT TO EVERYONE !
            Now, in this modern day of over production, with much excess and therefore WASTE IN ALL THOSE AREAS – e. g. food thrown out in near every home on a daily basis, extra empty housing in every city and town, whole sections of shelter standing strong yet empty, clothes stacked in high number in closets, drawers, and in stores and shipping containers lining the coasts… pretty much everything but excess operating tables and hospital beds, although lower forms of medical care are in over abundance as well – bandages, antibacterial soaps, vitamins, aspirin, pain killers, glasses, and other laymen items.
            So what you’ve done is assume since now there is overabundance, everyone suddenly has a right to it, at all times. Not that they have to do a thing, but it should be freely given to everyone who needs it. Then comes the problem, someone already owns the excess, and you have to force them to live up to YOUR BELIEF, and make them hand it over to those who need it. Not only that, but YOU HAVE TO FIND PEOPLE TO WORK TO DO THAT, as well as finding everyone who needs any of that at any time. You have to enslave quite a work crew, and demand everyone in need show themselves so you can make certain they get what you demand they must have, as it is their right. Maybe you’ll let some wave that right, but that won’t stop you from making certain whomever owns the overabundance gives it to your and your workers so they can give it to those who need it.
            So, if there were shortages like there were on the day of the USA Founding and for a hundred years plus afterwords, wouldn’t that RIGHT you believe be unfulfillable ?
            Since mechanical and scientific overproduction methods have achieved the not so long ago unbelievable, don’t you need to make some new Constitutional Amendment be voted upon, maybe the Communist Manifesto as a supplement before “your belief” somehow is forced on everyone else ?
            If everyone has a RIGHT to food, clothing, shelter, and medical care, what are you going to do about that in poor countries that cannot come close to providing the basics of food clotihng shelter and medical care and a free education for everyone ?
            Whose job is it then to make “the right” you claim exists occur ?
            Those “rights” you cited are as solid as one giant crash of the world economy. Whom is going to force you, me, or anyone else to “provide” free food clothing shelter an education and medical care “to everyone” ?
            Really, think about it. How can that possibly be a RIGHT ?

          • denniso

            Silicone says that for all people in our country to be ensured of food,clothing,housing and med care, we have to enslave others…yes, i really feel sorry for Bill Gates, Forbes, Trump,Turner,Soros,Jobs, Buffet and the other enslaved wealthy who are taxed higher than the rest of us…those poor super rich just can’t do anything they want to do, can’t buy islands or jets or mansions, or take vacations anywhere they want…really sad to watch their enslavement up close.

          • Anthony

            Denniso -
            YOu need to slow down on the Freeway. There is absolutely no need to feel sorry for any of those folks.

            FACT: The lowest income producers really don’t pay any taxes
            FACT: The extremely richest of us really don’t pay any taxes

            What’s going on here – is nothing more than class envy. Were the Pharoahs abot to take anything with them? Course not. Neither will George Soros. All of the super ultra wealthy have the system rigged, so they never actually pay taxes in the manner the Middle Income group does. Ted Kennedy is a great example. He was (is) worth over $2 Billion. Yet, he consistently paid less than 8% in taxes in any year. And, on that, he got most of it back throughout the year. You and I, between $30k and $500K, we get slammed on taxation. In essence, he never had to paid taxes on his WEALTH. Neither does Goerge Soros. All one has to do is go look it up.

            NOTE: If you are not sure what you are – pay attention to how often you have your hand out, looking for a freebee. That ought to set you straight.

        • usmadgirl

          ORveteran,

          Excellent comment! You are right on the mark.

          I’m just wondering why I had to re-enter my name & e-mail address to comment??? I’ve been on this site for a LONG time!

          • libertytrain

            usmadgirl. I have to do that everyday. We’re not actually “registered” on this site with any information – I think for me it’s cause I shut down my computer everyday. I think that’s coming in the not to distant future, where we will actually register and have own own log on names.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            usmadgirl,
            I don’t know either mine only happens once in awhile. I shut my computer down each nite as well so I guess it isn’t that. the only thing I can think of is the provider you are with.

          • Sidewinder

            Perhaps you cleaned your browser? Cookies, history, passwords, ect, things like that? With Firefox, you can do that with 1 click or set it to do it automatically.

          • TIME

            Hi Mad Girl,
            If your computer went through an softwear UPDATE that would clean the history file, thus your info would be wiped clean.

            To do this on your own so your computer is clean and with out issues as well will work faster,
            go to start,
            open control pannel,
            then go to Network and Internet options. Click then open Internet options.
            Then hit delete,
            Then click on Temporay Internet files, Cookies, and History, then click delete. This will clean out all unwanted junk and make your computer work faster.

            You should do this at least weekly – I do it daily thats best.

            I will check back later if you need help.

          • Sidewinder

            I recommend using Linux.
            Debian to be exact.
            Viruses are just about a nonexistant problem, and Debian is free.

        • Ted Crawford

          Quite true! John Jay,our first Supreme Court Justice, clearly stated that “The Law is ment to serve the people,not the people to serve the law”. Says it all,doesn’t it?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I dont care what name’s one might come up with for him, but Obama is simply not qualified to lead this country. His inexperience along with the social leanings of his party, have spent this country into a hole that will take a long time to get out of. Now before all you lefties go saying Bush did it, keep in mind, I didnt agree with the Bush admin’s spending, as I expected them to reign in government spending, and they failed at that, but this administration spent more money in their first 8 months than the Bush Admin did in 8 years. I dont know how you liberals want to color that or try to spin that, but the money he spent, well, we have nothing to show for it except debt. The billions received by GM and Chrysler was throwing good money after bad, as they are allready fighting on the union side to get new pay raises, and on the corporate side to to start writing bonuses to themselves again. Its just a matter of time before they sink again. This admin thinks government spending is the cure all, when that is what has gotten us into trouble in the first place. Expanding government and spending is the problem, always has been. It is not a solution to anything.

    • D.Cherney

      how quickly you forget this country was in the biggest whole before Obama took office the previous adm. was already starting with the “bailouts” and they allowed corporate greed to run amuck. What would you have done, seriously, so many of us being put out of work, ALL people at all levels, who had worked their whole lives and lets not forget, paid into the system their whole lives, only to come up short a few years from retirement and start loosing everything they had worked for. So many people around me this has happened to. whole departments, hell whole businesses gone

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Seems like that with every presidency. When Clinton took over from Bush 1, they said things were in a real hole, yet they werent. When Bush 2 took over from Clinton, we were in a major recession and the economy was in the tank. But no one stood there on TV, pointed a finger and said Clinton-Clinton-Clinton. No sir. They rolled up their sleeves and went to work, and as a result, more people were working in the U.S. at one time than anytime before in history. Unemployement was at an alltime low, stock market at an all time high, and things were good, until the last year and a half, when every business out there knew for one, Bush couldnt run again, and two, that Obama was going to win the election. Business tightened up to save to pay the new tax monsters that were coming in, and thats where Obama took over, and drove it into the ground. The fault I had with the Bush admin, was they didnt reign in spending like they were expected to. I give credit where credit is due, and point out bad things when they are do. But as bad as the spending was, this guy comes in and in 8 months spends more than the previous admin did in 8 years, and they spent too much. No, instead of rolling up their sleeves and going to work, the democrats are content on digging this hole deeper and deeper, and still, a year and a half later, are still blaming others, when they are failing miserable in everything they do. It is not Bush’s fault that Obama and the dems health care plan is going to dig our national debt into the trillions every year. It is not Bush’s fault that Obama and the dems gave GM and Chrysler billions of our hard earned dollars, so they could fight over union pay raises and corporate benefits, while still making inferior vehicles. Give credit where credit is due, and shame where shame is do. Whey they do something worth while, like freeing a country, or creating jobs in the public sector, not more government jobs, I will be the first in line to give them credit. Problem is, I have seen any of this, and there are no plans to make any of this happen.

        • RicSeag

          Ummmm… When GW Bush took office, there as such a huge budget surplus that Greenspan went before Congress to tell them that without tax cuts now, the government ran the risk of paying off it’s debt too quickly- which would undermine the bond market. Get your misinformation correct before screeding on.

          • JAFO

            Remember “.COM” ? How about Enron ? The falsification of stock values was a monster birthed in the lab under Clinton… The “WTO” ocurred, Rusian Ruble Collapsed and all the while we (America) was being staged for Market Crashes, the Sub-Prime-Hoax as well as host of others… The economy was nothing more than a chip being cashed in by the Progressives caused by their own device under an Administration that allowed them, thru BiPartisan-ship, to have their own little Pet-Projects”… How did that work out ? Know your Players when you point your fingers, We do ! And it only makes you reveal the Bi-Polar Disposition that your Guild practices… We Know…

          • Lost

            The Clinton Administration I am sure, had had a chef on the team. How else could you cook the books and come up with a surplus.

          • del

            Lets talk surplus buddy. Most importantly how it came about. I have heard this mess for to long. The surplus came from not paying the bills. The bills being for one the military bill. Clinton down sized the greatest military ever known to a fraction of its original size. (probably why our boys are doing 4 and 5 tours now)This surplus you speak of is no different than you refusing to pay your bills and turn around and brag about how much money you have saved. Its in my opinion an idiotic mentality to have.

          • Sidewinder

            JAFO, you are looking for the party with the White Hat…..but there isn’t any.

          • RicSeag

            What a crock!!

            Look, you won’t get any argument from me that the surplus was based on REAL tax receipts from the PHONY house of cards that was built by the high-rollers on Wall Street. However, to say that it was from some mystical ‘not paying the bills’ is ridiculous. If any president can be accused of ‘not paying’ the military bills it’s GW Shrub. EVERY SINGLE BUDGET he submitted after 9-11 failed to include the military budget needed to fund his wars (Congress has YET to declare war on either of these nations, folks). Every dime of nearly $1 Trillion was authorized by Congress in off-budget ‘Supplemental Expenditures”. One reason Obama’s budgets look so bad is that he stopped that practice on Day 1.

            Besides, Congress has to pay their bills – and they do. The fact that they borrow to do so in such a big way does not imply the bills are not getting paid. Del, your comment is simply inane blather.

            There was a surplus because there was more revenue coming in than going out – period. Clinton agreed to NAFTA, Welfare Reform and PayGo Rules in order to get his tax hikes in place. The Republican Congress that took over in 1994 and lasted until 2006 are the jokers who tore down all the regulations on Wall Street – including Glass-Steegal – which created the culture and lack of oversight that ultimately led to the financial meltdown in 2007-08. Heck, most of the nation barely felt the dot.com burst, as it was quickly replaced by the Bush deficits, the housing bubble and then a commodities bubble.

        • rjg

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_2000s_recession

          Oh Please. Why don’t you read up on what the National Bureau Of Economic Research has to say about this Recession. Not quite as you describe it. If you are going to lay sole blame for this recession on Clinton and the Democrats will you also give them credit for being president during 8 of the 10 years of the longest economic expansion the NBER has ever seen. My personal belief is that just as Regan cannot be solely blamed for the problems in 1987 , Clinton is not the cause of the recession in March 2001 and neither Bush nor Obama deserves full blame for the current crises.

          • Ted Crawford

            The last 6 years of clintons administration,when all the growth took place,was with a conservative controlled congress! Much like the last two years,when the economy collapsed,bush had to deal with a progressive congress! That should clearly point out the differences in the two policies!!

          • rjg

            See Ted now thats politics.

            Are you saying that congress is the most important factor? If that is the case then do the Democrats get credit for the start of this growth period 91 -94, and do the Republicans then get blame for the end of the recession in March 2001. You can’t have it both ways Ted. I would suggest to you that the economy is a lot more complicated than simple “Tea Party” analogies. If you are really interested start with some finite mathematics, progress into calculus and this should give you a solid foundation for some more advanced economic analysis courses.

          • denniso

            Sad, isn’t it? Most of these people don’t want to learn anything, they only want to rant and spew animosity and misinform.

          • JC

            You’re right denniso,there are people here spewing animosity, hatred and misinformation. They call themselves Liberals, but they don’t know the meaning of the word. In reality they are socialists advocating a system that makes no sense and is self imploding.
            Which is why they have to use propoganda rather than sensibility or rational thinking. Their ideology is emotional rather than analytical.
            Wishful Utopian “Hope” rather than a brand of common sense that comes directly from nature itself.
            That’s why they get nasty, they lose their silly arguments at every turn.
            Oh well, not all of us actually have common sense I guess.

          • Anthony

            Whoa ….. let’s quit carrying Slick Willy’s water …eh?

            Bill Clinton and his cronies made sure to fudge the GNP numbers starting in 1998, so the rest of us would think we were nowhere near a Recession. The Internet Bubble burst in late 1996, just as he was fudging votes all over the place. By the end of 1997, most of the Internet Companies (Amazon.com, not one) had disappeared after hyper-inflating their real worth. The ones that failed had been allwd to pretend they had warehouses full of product for sale, and they simly didn’t. CLINTON and his ADVISORS knew this. THAT’s WHY they started hiding the real GNP numbers.

            Another thing – Clinton claims to have balanced the budget. It’s sophistry. He had you looking at his right hand, while he was pulling shenanigans in the left hand. What was done, was he took the Social Security money (which really didn’t exist) and he moved it over to the General Fund… Taadaaaa – balanced budget (for 24 hours) – it was a photo op.

            People we are in a FIAT MONETARY SYSTEM – you need to look that up.
            We are also using a FRACTIONAL BANKING SYSTEM – look that up.

            You want to know where are real trouble lies? It’s having a Central Bank – called: THE FEDERAL RESERVE

        • Sidewinder

          WHAT?
          Are you freaking serious???

          When George HW Bush left office we were already coming out of the recession. 4% growth…blah, blah, remember that….no? GHW was bragging about it when he ran against Clinton.
          And in 2001 the National Debt stood at roughly 5.7 trillion, by by the end of 2008, 9.8 Trillion. But I wouldn’t worry about ever repaying it..LOL! We are past the point of no return.
          The economy is in the tank because of FEAR over Obama?????? Whoa..

          Berberoni…. I don’t even know where to begin you are so far off base.
          Do yourself a favor…Google Jim Sinclair’s Mineset.
          You can start there.

        • Sidewinder

          And Blabaroni, I take issue with this statement you made also:

          ” It is not Bush’s fault that Obama and the dems gave GM and Chrysler billions of our hard earned dollars, so they could fight over union pay raises and corporate benefits, while still making inferior vehicles. Give credit where credit is due, and shame where shame is do.”

          I don’t see a whole lot of difference between the AIG bailout and the GM and Chrysler bailouts. Other than Unions.

          Too big to Fail meant, under the Bush Administration, AIG got Corporate welfare….and bonuses…..and GM and Chrysler…well they could fail.

          What Bush did, did not appear to me to be a serious attempt at rescueing the economy. It seemed more like cronyism,
          politics and games.

          And at least American cars stop, when you step on the brakes….

          • Sidewinder

            And….LOL!

            It wasn’t your hard earned tax dollars. It was borrowed money that was used for the bail outs. LOL!
            The strings that Pres Obama attached to that TARP money, is returning at least some of it this year. Its unclear to me just how much, GM’s trickery not withstanding.
            You are not getting stuck with the bill.

            You are not even going to get stuck repaying the national debt. When the dollar goes bust and we go bankrupt….the debt is gone. Its gone because its denominated in US dollars….LOL!

            Wealth created out of nothing is not wealth. Debt created out of nothing is not real debt.

            The money printers are the Masters of the Universe…LOL!
            Until the House of Cards tumbles…..

        • Krys

          I agree 100% with you Beberoni. It seems that most of our ‘lamestream’ media has either chronic myopia or they are (IMO) hopelessly liberal. I just don’t know WHAT it’s going to take before so many of the deluded masses wake up to the fact that Obama & his cohorts are intent on transforming this great country into something our founding fathers were dead-set against. Can you imagine WHAT they would do if they discovered what the state could do to you if you were caught ‘beating’ your child in public? There are so many other areas that we have gradually lost our freedoms that we haven’t really noticed. What REALLY steams me is how much of a pass this guy & his administration is getting concerning the current oil spill in the gulf. The spill had been 5 days old & the head of the EPA STILL hadn’t taken any action! Obama chose to see what was going on after 12 days & there is still no solution in sight! What hippocrasy! This guy has NEVER run a business, or apparently held a job & yet we are supposed to give him a pass? What a bunch of nutjobs! Of course, if you question his qualifications, then the label “racist” is quickly applied. May god have mercy of this great nation of ours since it seems so many have turned their backs on our founding principles.

      • JC

        D Cherney, that’s a very shortsighted view. “Corporate Greed” in US history has nothing to do with “Free Enterprise”. It has been encouraged and endorsed by every administration since Lincoln and has been because the politicians themselves are making a handsome profit by aligning themselves with corporate interests. Government and Industry working hand in hand to rape the economy can be called many things. I call it economic fascism and it is still fourishing today.
        Obama has done nothing to “change” it and is in fact dragging us over the cliff. Never in the history of the planet has the wealth of a country been so plundered as it has under THIS administration.

        • denniso

          Cherney is correct. And for Chip Wood to repeat the truly simplistic and dumb comment from R Reagan is just ridiculous…’go’vt is the problem’?? OK, so get rid of the gov’t run militarty and privatise the whole defense dept…make all roads private toll roads so we can kick gov’t out of the road building and maintenance job…privatise all policw and fire protection so that the wealthy get protection and those who can’t afford it don’t. Privatise all social security and medicare and medicaid. Don’t forget gov’ts role in wastewater and drinking water, we can privatise all of that…if you can’t pay for your sewer pipe taking your waste to the treatment plant then you dump it on your neighbors property. End the FDA and EPA and allow people to poison whoever they want and let disputes be settled w/ guns…we could finally use the millions of guns we have for the real purpose they’re they are made for.

          That childish and stupid statement, gov’t is the problem, not the solution, should not be used by anyone who has any ability to think even slightly well and cares if he has any credibility. Come on Chip Wood, you can’t be that simplistic…tell me you’re just playing to the uneducated mob…

          • RicSeag

            Amen! It’s never been the goal of the Reagan-distorters to end government – just to starve the part of Govt that works for justice while exploiting the part that works for liberty – making it work for greed instead
            I call them Reagan-distorters because RR would rail against the Machiavellian- mindset that permeates the Post-modern conservative movement. He would not identify with this and would likely make a statement like, “damned if that Republican party didn’t leave me too.”

          • George Halepis

            There are always some things that some people can’t afford, for one reason or another. Does that justify the use of force? After all, government is force and ONLY force, not a charitable institution. If you don’t believe me, try not paying your taxes. In any case, it depends on why some people can’t afford some things. There are only two ways for people to deal with each other: violently or peacefully. The free market is nothing more nor less than people dealing with each other peacefully. In such an environment, entrepreneurs will seek to supply goods and services at all levels of economic status IF ALLOWED TO DO SO. For those truly in need, there are various charitable organizations, which exist even now.

          • Marc

            We could turn all of it over to Halliburton…….

          • Vicki

            Since the only thing government can do is force us to do what it wants how can government be anything other than “the problem” ?

          • denniso

            So Vickie, if you really believe that gov’t is only ‘the problem’, then you must be in favor of scrapping the gov’t military and contracting our military needs out to a private company, right??
            Please address this point rather than spouting plattitudes and cliches.
            Do you support privatising the military or not?

          • rjg

            Vickie

            Come on now thats not fair. We can debate the role of Government but to state that everything the Government does is a problem is pure rhetoric.

            Do you understand the role of property rights in a Capitalist Economy? Who enforces these property rights? Is this not interference in the economy?

          • JC

            denniso one of the few functions of a limited government is to provide a military force capable of securing our borders and defending our nation.

          • Jana

            The Government certainly becomes a problem when they refuse to follow the Constitution. They are a problem when they won’t keep our Borders secure. They are a problem when they become dictatorial. They are a problem when the President surrounds himself with avowed Communists, and avowed Socialists.
            The Government is in trouble and the people are in trouble right along with them.

          • Ted Crawford

            Your assertion that our only two options IE “all or nothing” is disengenous at best! It was made clear from the inception of this Nation that government,in some form,is neccessary for a society to function. The question that arises is “how much and in what areas”
            The infastructure you describe is,clearly,in the public sector. The “social engineering and private sector price fixing” of this,and other administrations,just as clearly, IS NOT!!

          • DaveH

            Herein lies the answers to your questions, Dumniso. Of course, first you must be able to read and understand Big Words:
            http://mises.org/rothbard/foranewlb.pdf

          • denniso

            The point is that to spout cliches like, ‘gov’t is the problem’,is mindless and absurd. Almost everyone has a different view of what they think gov’t should do. The constitution does not give an itemized
            list of what those things should be, so we can have legitimate debate over what gov’t can and should do. But to make radically simplistic
            statements like Reagan’s and pretend that it means anything at all is not only not helpful to the debate, it’s detrimental and absurd.

            Of course gov’t doesn’t do everything right and there are many things that I don’t think it should be doing, like giving away public land to multinational mining corporations for them to enrich themselves on.
            Sure, they provide jobs in the process, but they also walk away w/ billions of dollars and usually leave the mess behind for us to pay to clean up.

          • Vicki

            denniso:
            I support the elimination of the standing army and the return to the design that the forefathers established. If we all are the “army” then we do not need an army to defend ourselves.

            The sound byte “the government IS the problem” is simple. It is intended to break the propaganda that liberals insist on which is, in a simple sound byte, “the government IS the solution”. Both are way understating the situation.

            My original statement stands however uncontested. Government is force.

            A force, like fire, it can be either be a dangerous servant or fearful master.

          • Rob Alexander

            OMG that was funny Denniso, I am ROLLING laughing at your “logic” and “reasoning” (the quotes denote sarcasm)…

            Military is actually one of only a handful of Constitutional duties of the federal government.

            “End the FDA and EPA and allow people to poison whoever they want”? LMAO… right, because without these agencies the ability to sue in court for faulty products or property damage would just magically disappear for reasons unknown… drug companies would just dump massive quantities of poisonous drugs on the population with no fear of lawsuits putting them out of business, and people would have a giant gun fight over it… You kill me. ROTFLMFAO….

            If you actually looked around you’d find that A) the FDA *MASSIVELY* adds to the costs of drugs – it costs anywhere from $250 million to $900 million to bring a new drug to market (and the idiots wonder why new drugs cost a fortune), and B) the FDA has KILLED more people by denying them drugs they needed that later turned out to be perfectly safe (example – approximately 10,000 Americans died needlessly every year for the three years it was against the law for their doctors to treat them with propranolol), than it has saved by keeping bad drugs off the market. So yeah, I’d say this makes a pretty good case for government being the problem.

            Government solutions are always based on popular opinion (which is ALWAYS based on small-picture thinking) and then when they don’t work, it becomes everyone’s problem, as opposed to private companies who (before taxpayer funded bailouts, anyway) have to risk their own money, and their failures are limited to just that company. Sounds good to me – I personally don’t think the opinions of the average person are a good basis for determining, say, a massive health care plan that the entire nation will be forced into participating in, or much of anything else for that matter.

            There’s a good reason why Social Security and Medicare didn’t come from private companies… because any idiot capable of operating a calculator can figure out they’re insolvent, and unlike government, private companies can’t just point guns at people and forcibly take their money when they screw up and do something that bleeds money.

            And finally, for-profit companies have a monetary incentive to do a better job and make the customer happier. Government is a by-force (not choice), monopolisitic endeavor that has NO reason to care whether you like what they give you or not. They are always the only game in town, by force of GUNS, not customer choice.

            Ever look at the prices and quality, over time, of the things private companies produce? 10 years ago a flat panel TV was $10K up to over $20K for a 50″… now you can get a 50″ flat panel for under a grand and it’s way better than the ones that cost 20K 10 years ago. When’s the last time ANYTHING from the government EVER went down in cost? Everything the government provides goes up in price over time, or down in quality/quantity to hold the price. Gasoline prices have held for over 40 years or even DROPPED, adjusted for inflation.

            What about quality of service? Try this, go to McDonald’s for lunch, Starbucks for a cup of coffee, go buy something from the convenience store at a gas station run by one of those evil oil companies, go to the DMV and get something changed on your drivers license or renew your tags, go to the social security office and try to get a new card or change some info… Where do you get better treatment? Where do you wait in line longer? Where do they actually seem to give a damn if you’re happy with what you get? Right, only the private, for-profit places. The government places treat you like a number.

            Government IS the problem, because whatever they do, they claim a monopoly BY FORCE and have no reason or incentive to do improve, unlike private, for profit businesses who have to please you or lose your business, and they have to do it BEFORE someone else does. There is a VERY small and limited subset of functions that really have no other good provider – military is one, keeping the state governments from enacting trade barriers to other states is another… but in pretty much all cases, if a role COULD be fulfilled by private business at all, it WILL be fulfilled better than by government.

          • denniso

            You should know that Reagan has been discredited and spent most of his 2nd term in a mental fog…also, when someone posts a foot long column for a comment, I don’t have the time to read it…too long.

          • JC

            That’s very telling denniso. When someone writes a well thought out and reasoned response directly to you, you don’t have time to read it?
            Ok, Lets’ keep it simple for you…”Yes We Can – Yes We Can – Yes We Can” LOL :)

          • Rob Alexander

            CHANGE! CHANGE! CHANGE!

            Is that better? :-)

          • David Weber

            denniso – Are you a progressive? Let me refute your entire argument. “..is just ridiculous…’go’vt is the problem’??”- unconstitutional government is the problem i.e. progressivism. “OK, so get rid of the gov’t run militarty” – the Constitution is quite clear that national defense is a federal responsibility. “…make all roads private toll roads so we can kick gov’t out of the road building and maintenance job” – the interstate road system was created to move military assets in time of war. This fact, along with the interstate commerce clause permits the federal government to do so. Local and intrastate roads are the sole responsibility of the states. “Privatise all policw and fire protection so that the wealthy get protection and those who can’t afford it don’t” – You’re joking right? This is a state and local responsibility, not the federal government’s. “Privatise all social security and medicare and medicaid.” – no. End them. These matters are delegated to the states by the 10th Amendment. “Don’t forget gov’ts role in wastewater and drinking water, we can privatise all of that…if you can’t pay for your sewer pipe taking your waste to the treatment plant then you dump it on your neighbors property” – again, state and local matter. “End the FDA and EPA and allow people to poison whoever they want and let disputes be settled w/ guns…we could finally use the millions of guns we have for the real purpose they’re they are made for.” – The FDA only has authority when food or drugs are sold ACROSS state lines or imported from another country. Intrastate sale of food or drugs is entirely a state regulation matter. I don’t think state representatives, who are elected, are going to let their constituents be poisoned. The EPA is unconstitutional, so yes, get rid of it. “That childish and stupid statement, gov’t is the problem, not the solution, should not be used by anyone who has any ability to think even slightly well and cares if he has any credibility” – With the amount of spelling errors in your post, you have zero credibility. Also, I love your Alinsky tactics – name calling and emotionalism. It doesn’t work on anybody who uses critical thinking skills. BTW – you can copy your post into Outlook (or whatever email client you use) and spell check prior to posting. It wouldn’t help your argument, but at least it would be spelled right..LOL!

            The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities. – Ayn Rand

        • patricia

          And just because “everyone” jumps over the cliff and drowns…does that mean you are going to also?

      • refuse2lose

        Let me ask you a question;If you somehow got to a point where you were spending more than you were making,would you continue spending more,and even increase your spending to a point that you could not spend a dollar unless you printed it?I assume you are intelligent and would stop spending at some point.So why should we expect anything different from the leader of our country?He has spent more in 1.5 years then all past presidents COMBINED.And not just that but he has caused the racial tensions in our country to get worse than what they were by calling a white police officer stupid and supporting people who are here ILLEGALLY.He has asked citizens to spy on their neighbors and call the WH if they were lying about his health care reform,ha has called anyone who opposes him a potential domestic terrorist.

        So basically he has taken his community organizing skills to the White House.He stirs the racial pot,pulls out the race card and keeps the American citizens divided and arguing so they are not paying attention to the abyss that he has put us in.Liberalism is indeed a mental disorder

        • JC

          And just for fun….

          Jeff Poor at NewsBusters states: “When Michael Moore starts getting panicked, you know times are getting tumultuous for the left and the Democratic Party.” According to Moore, who appeared on MSNBC’s March 10 “The Rachel Maddow Show,” if the Democratic Party doesn’t make strides in getting their liberal agenda passed – it’s bleak times ahead for them. I just feel like the Democrats are – they’re in for an ass-whooping of Biblical proportions in November…”

          Yes they are. :)

      • Jack

        You are so right, well close to right.Obama did in fact inherit a small part of this deficit. But you should know that the president can NOT appropriat. Money, that is a funtion of Congress. And guess what Bush had to fight. A Demopcratic controled congress. If you will think back, on 3 televised speaches GWB said we are heading for a finacial break down with fannyMay and Berny mac. sub-prime loans to those that we all knew could not pay back. This was ordered by house speeker peolsi. and Harry Read. Also this was investigated by Chuck Shumer and barny Frank, who testified to congress that both and AIG were solvent and sound. Two weeks later they all filed Bankrupsy. HMMMM, They lied to congrss and were never even questioned about it.You have the balls to blame Bush ,However Obama has trippled his debt, and you liberal fools still Blame Bush.

        • Vicki
          • Jana

            This news report showed exactly what happened. In April of 2001 Bush raised the Red flag over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. In 03 Bush raised another warning and in the fall of 03 Bush pushed hard to regulate Fannie and Freddie, then good old Barney Frank pushed back and claimed they were sound and in fact they ought to do more. Barney Frank is powerful and got it stopped.
            In 05 Allen Greenspan issued a major warning and in April 2005 Charles Schummer came out in favor of Fannie and Freddie, and pushed back hard yet again. 5-25-06 McCain pushed for reform for the two F’s, and the Democrats shot them down again. And so it goes! But oh, yes, its all Bush’s fault. Sure.

          • WarriorH

            Dodd, Schumer, Obama and Barney? All frauds.

          • RicSeag

            Have you ever heard of the three kinds of liars?

            Your sources is the third kind. Be careful that you actually have the intellectual acumen to debunk what you hear on that great source of post-modern conventional knowledge……..YouTube.

          • Vicki

            The beauty of youtube as an information source is that we get to see the liberal lying with his/her own lips. Warning to conservatives however. This tool cuts both ways.

            Now when folk get really sophisticated with CGI then seeing will no longer be believing. Until then we will be able to see the lies coming straight from their mouths.

            How can you tell when a politician is lying? When you see their lips moving. :)

          • Anthony

            JANA -

            It’s called: SIT UBU SIT syndrome.

      • Joel Kruskie

        You may want to recall the liberal chairs in Freddy and Fanny and let’s let anyone have a mortgage

        • Vicki
        • RicSeag

          How about we use ‘primary source’ documents –> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8

          Or this —> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkAtUq0OJ68&feature=related

          Or this —> http://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/review/06/09/Garriga.pdf

          The fact is, it was first Reagan, the G.W. Bush who pushed for the biggest changes in home financing rules. Certainly they both needed complicit congresses, which they both had. But you’d better be careful where you lay blame, as the facts are not with you.

          • Vicki

            Or this where we see that Bush (a rino btw) is not the first to force banks to loan money unwisely.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHsHTTzsm2M&feature=related

          • Anthony

            Both are close – but still paddlin’ the wrong river.

            All monetary adjustments are the pervue of one entity -
            THE FEDERAL RESEVE

            THE FED controls all changes in monetary policy and are the group responsible for such things as re-writing of the Mission Statement for FANNIE & FREDDIE (Clinton doing as ordered-course, he was set to profit from it, too).

            THE FED (and Greenspan – spelled Grynzspan) are who brought on the Derivatives shenanigans. There should never be a way to invest on Wall Street without having something to back it up. Derivatives are nothing more than a BET, like in Vegas. Only, in this case, it was the banking bigwigs doing it, along with the Insurance Companies and they are ALL getting bailed out at the expense of your investments. The next egg to crack will be the confiscation of everyone’s 401k’s – which WAS discussed in many meetings as the runup for election was starting, late 2007. Go check it out. It’s almost time for them to pull that bait&switch program. FDR did the same thing in 1942 with having taxes automatically taken out of your paychecks. ANOTHER DEM confiscation success.

            When they disarm us, you can ki$$ your backsides goodbye.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        D. Cherney,
        Then explain why we added 230,000 jobs and the unemployment rate still climbed.

        • JC

          Exactly, how many were government jobs. The stats never point that out.

        • RicSeag

          The stats did point that out – most were in manufacturing, which saw the fastest increase in 6 years.

          But you wouldn’t hear that on Fox…..

        • RicSeag

          The unemployment rate climbed because a large number of people who had given up on work began searching for jobs again, hearing that there was hiring going on….Read the dad-gum report — here it is —> http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm. Be informed, not sheeple at the alter of almighty FauxNews.

      • john

        I do not believe in corporate greed as there is not ONE corporation that i HAVE to give one dime to. Only Government greed exists. If I do not give my dime to the government, I go to jail.

        • Peter

          Sorry John, As the economy fails to find natural growth patterns, as is happening now, business is moving more and more into the public utility sphere, where they are operating utilities and toll roads among many other things. So yes, you do have to give them your money, because they own what should be provided by government, but has been abandoned to business for profit-turning.

          • JC

            That is just wrong headed. But I don’t blame you for not knowing any better. We’ve all been lead to believe that it’s “Big Business” that’s is greedy and evil. And, given that government wants their support and their money, and that the way has been paved for them through lobbying…perhaps that is what they’ve become.
            The trick here is to end government sanctioned monoploy.
            Get the government OUT of the market and level the playing field for all competition. Then we, the consumers can vote with our dollars.
            But as long as their is any government involvement of any kind in the “free enterprise” arena…we will have no free enterprise and corporations will enjoy monopolies.

          • RicSeag

            How is it that we have been ‘led to believe’ this thing you talk about?

            Could it be experience?

        • Al Sieber

          Our govt. is one big corporation, we’ve been that way since Franklin Roosevelt took us off the gold standard. instead of our unalienable rights, we were left with just our civil rights.

          • Anthony

            FDR didn’t take us OFF the gold standard. Nixon did that. And, we returned to it in 1991.

            FDR ordered everyone to turn in their gold, or go to jail.
            He also did it at a time when no one could fight back about it.

    • Jane

      I didn’t like everything Bush did, but I just wonder why no one remembers that he was working with a democrat majority the last 4 years; so anything that got done had to go thru them.

      • denniso

        Not 4 yrs…it was in ’06 that the Dems gained control, Bush was out in ’08…2 yrs

        • Anthony

          Denniso – you forgot to elaborate necessary facts.

          The Dems were in charge in 2001, as well – with Tommy Daschle (2 years).

          Got a rebuttal? Daschle & Co did vote FOR: Patriot Act I

      • RicSeag

        Plus, it was only the House – The Senate was split, with Cheney holding the deciding vote.

        As expected, nothing was done in Bush’s last two years – except for a lot of hand-wringing as the wheels came off the pumpkin-carraige that was the Bush Housing Bubble and the Bush Commodities Bubble (AKA freakin’ high gas prices).

        • denniso

          Exactly right…the rightwingers can’t accept any responsibility for the terrible debacle of the Cheny/Bush years so they have to fudge on
          how long they controlled everything…before long and as more bad details of those dark yrs come out, they will be claiming that Bush never had control of congress at all and maybe that he was never even president.

          • Anthony

            This is like a bad habit -

            Tom Daschle & Co. were in there until 2003.
            Harry Reid & Co. were in there from 2007 & still there now.

            AND – LET’S BE VERY CLEAR…
            What part of the Bush nonsense is Obama reversing exactly?

        • David Weber

          RicSeag- Obama’s own words – “electricity prices will necessarily skyrocket” with regards to “Cap and Trade”, aka “Cap and Tax”, now known as “American Power Act”. I hope you are not white because I don’t think you will get any of Obama’s stash. Here is some “hope and change” for you – YOU will be paying for my imprisonment when I tell Obama to go f*** himself. I will not purchase government mandated “healthcare” (do you need a sex change operation? Because I don’t) and will not pay my taxes either (please report this to the Obama regime). I will die for my beliefs, how about you?

          • RicSeag

            You have my blessing to die for your beliefs.

            Then we will have more bitspace on this blog……

      • David Weber

        GWB, although I voted for him twice, was a PROGRESSIVE (with a ‘strong defense’ mentality). Of course, that was before I became educated about progressives. Glen Beck, the clown that he is (other people’s opinion, not mine), understands the danger we face. The progressives have infected both parties. Please, before you vote, come November, make sure the candidate you vote for believes in the Constitution. All powers not explicitly given to the federal government are reserved to the states or the people (i.e. individual).

  • James

    Socialism is simply government control of the economy, rather than the people. “USSR” stood for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Federal control of the health-care industry is socialism. When government treats food, clothing and housing as privileges and entitlements, and attempts to provide that, it’s socialism. Social Security provided by government is socialism.

    • cris

      You can call Social Security socialism if you want, the fact is everyone working(excet them damned ILLEGALS) has paid into it…therefore it is not a government handout! I worked for that Sscial Security and I proudly collect it…The problem, it is not enough. I barely get by in this world of high and higher prices! So all of you who pays into your Socialism hand out, Thank you!

      • TIME

        Cris, we have all worked and had to send money to SS, I can tell you that I know kids that are 15 that can invest and get far better returns than SS has done.

        Did you know when SS first came out it was 100% voluntray – as well it was in a trust that the congress could not get their hands on.

        But that all changed during Johnsons time in office, and now your SS moneys are being given to Illegal’s and has been for years now.

        Thats why its broke, thats also why the small pay outs, Think about this – when the corpus in large – even in down markets its not hurt that bad, but when the corpus is very little the returns are at best minimum even in a strong market.

        • Airangel

          Time…that’s what I don’t get…I understand Welfare and Government assistance programs but I thought they were for “Legal Americans” who have fallen on hard times…not for “Illegals”…how is it, Non-Americans have any rights to OUR Government programs? I understand Human rights like emergency medical care but the other is out and out theft.

        • James

          Time, The Social Security Act of 1935 imposed taxes on working Americans and businesses, and paying those taxes isn’t voluntary. In fact, not paying those taxes is a criminal offense. Social Security benefits are voluntary, one must apply for them at age 62, for reduced benefits, or 65 for full benefits.

    • Jack

      James,
      Social Security is not a intitalment. It is government controled isurance forced on us. It is bought and payed for by the people that were to benefit from it in old age. Then our Democrat congress saw fit to Rob from it to finance war. then what left was put into a general fund so they could rob again and again. Yet you notice that congress is exempt from paying into this fund. Now Congress is giving away money from our bankrupt fund to Illegals that have never paid into it. Just 1 more example of how well our government can manage any financial problem.

      • Jana

        Jack,
        You notice SS is also broke. That is just how great a Government run program is. So, now they are raising funds for something else called Health Care. Yeah right, we sure could trust them to take care of the Social Security money NOT, as they put it in the general fund. How can we trust them to take care of the Health Care Money? Answer, we can’t. The Government is NOT responsible enough to take care of our money. They will spend it as it comes in and then have to raise our taxes yet again to pay for this mess.

        • Anthony

          The SSA was created with NO funding during the FDR Regime. It got no nest egg at all. BUT – anyone of the proper age – were immediately allowed to apply and begin getting monthly checks – even though they, themselves, had never paid a dime into it. So, it was in hock from the get go.

    • Anthony

      James -
      You cannot have Socialism, or better yet – Communism….
      without a Central Bank …aka: FEDERAL RESERVE

      Read Karl Marx

  • spoonerist

    Superb explanation, Chip! Some months ago, Doug Casey wrote an excellent explanation on the meaning of “conservative” in an article positing that George W. Bush might have been the worst President in US history. His delineation of what conservative actually means was thoroughly in agreement with what you wrote and what I have been telling people for years. The same thing is true of the word “liberal”. It really should mean favoring liberty. It sounds good; that is why the bad people (statists, socialists, big government advocates, etc) stole it to make themselves seem good. I have always felt that people like Rush Limbaugh (and most other “conservatives”) have inadvertently impeded the efforts to restore America to greatness by falling into the trap of using the word “liberal” to describe the domestic enemies of America (Pelosi, Frank, Obama, Kerry, etc). We are the true “liberals”, and we should take back our word.

    • Don Ror

      Unfortunately for the people of America, we have had back-to-back the two worst presidents in the history of the United States and Jorge “Wetbacker” Bush set the stage for the election of Obama the Muslim. Both have wrecked the United States financially and as a country since both have held the door wide open for a criminal culture to invade America from the south.

      Both are liberal, left-wing anti-Constitutional politicians.

      Whether America can recover from the damage caused by these two incompetents is very questionable.

      • Sidewinder

        LOL!
        You nailed it dude!

        • Raggs

          One thing about this…
          He will never win by a legal election a second term, he will likely try to gain his dictatorship through any illegal means. Of course his union thugs and special interest groups will throw themselves at his feet. Well lets not forget about the illegals and Pureto Rico.
          Well lets see…HUMMM I wonder who will foot the bill for thier healthcare…. DUH…IT’S ME… And IF I refuse…. I go to jail?

          Communist pig! and a very poor excuse for a human being.

      • Anthony

        I posit the notion that we have had FOUR (4) NASTY Presidents in a row.

        Bush 1 – is who got the job of making N.W.O. – public consumption.
        Clinton tore down Glass-Steagall, re-wrote FANNIE & FREDDIE, and signed NAFTA & GATT

        I tell ya – this isn’t defending Bush(es), but ….
        In my lifetime, the financial destruction of this Country has almost always occurred during Democrat Presidencies. Wilson, FDR, Truman, LBJ, Carter, Clinton and now Obama – Facts are Facts.

  • John

    “Socialism is a system where the government directly owns and manages businesses.” Is not too far off. The Socialist label given to Obama I think fits, as the US govt now owns a car company, Chrysler who has not paid back its obligations and GM who also STILL owes money to the “People” I thought it said “We the People” somewhere… meaning that WE are the government.

    Slowly but surely our country is becoming Socalist, we have been duped into thinking this way by our schools, our churches, and our politicians. It is like Saten in the Garden, he promised Eve that she would be like God if she ate of the forbidden fruit. Technically it was NOT a lie, it was only a half truth. She would be more like God when she ate of it as she would know good and evil. (Read Genesis) That is exactly what has happened to us, we have been lied to and we bit the apple, now that we see that our Socialistic ways go way back to the Turn of the 20′th century with Teddy Roosevelt it becomes more clear that we need to turn around.

    The other day I read the Editorial article in the April 2010 Magazine “Assembly” It was written by John M Something ( I cannot make out his name) In short the article states that in January of 2010 in the state of Indiana, 430,800 people worked in factories, meanwhile in Indiana a total of 442,800 people worked for some sort of government position, whether it was fed, state, local, school teacher etc. The article goes on to explain that it was always not like this in Jan 2000, the ratio was 166% manufacturing over Govt employees. So in 10 years the ratio changed from 166% to 97% for Factory workers to Government workers…

    In 1990 21 states had more manufacturing jobs than government jobs, in 2000, only 14 states could claim this, in 2010 NO state had more manufacturing jobs than state jobs… (it should be noted that HI, DE and AL were not included as they were not listed in his data).

    Some Jan 1990 numbers Manufacturing Jobs / Govt Jobs
    MI 132 / 100
    PA 138 / 100
    OH 146 / 100
    NC 175 / 100

    Some January 2010 numbers Manufacturing Jobs / Govt Jobs
    MI 72 / 100
    PA 73 / 100
    OH 78 / 100
    NC 59 / 100

    The data was from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)

    So in the past 20 years the US lost 36% of its manufacturing jobs, meanwhile government has gained 23%

    We are slowly but surely all becoming Government Employees, especially consider that the government can now tell CEO’s how much they can make, how big their bonus’ can be etc…

    John

    • Sidewinder

      John…
      That supposed socialistic “Take Over” of GM wasn’t what it looked like. GM approached the Federal Government asking for a hand out. And like Uncle Sam always does, he attached terms and conditions to that bail out money. Those terms and conditions, ensured that you, the Tax Payer, would not get stuck with the bill. I wasn’t to keen on the bailouts myself, but I did see the wisdom in it, and was not firmly against it.

      You’re not gonna crash the family car, come to daddy for a hand out, then think you are gonna be allowed to drive that car, before you have paid for that damage.

      Thats all it was…

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Take it for what its worth. It was the democrats buying UAW votes for the next few elections, nothing more, nothing less.

        • Jana

          John,
          This is what bothers me about Libertarians. They just aren’t willing to stand up and call it like it is. They just don’t want to make waves. That is why I would not vote for Ron Paul for President.

          • Jana

            I should add:
            Because he waters down his explaination of what a Socialist is. And yes, Obama is a Big Bad Socialist!

          • Sidewinder

            Concerning Obama’s “Socialist takeover” of GM, someone recently told me that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…then its a duck.

            My neighbor brought her 5 year old over once. The 5 year old spotted a goose down back by the river and said, “Look! a Duck!”

            Its lazy to allow cliches to substitute for logic. I have looked very hard, and I do not see any real evidence of Obama being a socialist myself. This was a very good article. The problem with being too hasty in applying nasty labels to people we don’t like, is that if inaccurate, it causes us NOT to see what the person really is.

            In realizing Obama is a corportist, we can apply that same reasoning to other presidents and see if they match. No one would accuse Pres Bush of being a socialist, but theres a good case that he was a corportist. No different than Obama. One leans liberal, one leans conservative, both serve corporate interests and not you.

            That can make the difference in making a mistake and supporting more of the same, or making a break from it and going third party.

          • Sidewinder

            And yes, I am certain that the fact that the GM bailout would give the Pres a lot of political capitol with the Unions, was not lost on him.

            I feel its important that we all look with our own eyes, and not rely on our favorite media talking heads to give us our opinions. I love Glen Beck, but sometimes Glen is wrong.

            When Clinton was president I listened to Rush everyday. Everyday, Rush was screaming at the constitutional violations Clinton was committing. I was so glad there was a voice on the radio pointing those things out. After Pres Bush took over, a couple of years into his presidency, I began to see gross constitutional violations. Not one word from Rush. Only justifications. The very same justifications used by the Democrats under Clinton. It was at that point, I saw Rush for what he was. He was not there to protect the constitution. He was there to promote the Republicans. He didn’t care about the Constitution. I was duped. Rush is especially gifted at making a convincing arguement.
            Then Rush got busted for drugs…LOL!

            My point is, These people on the radio and tv, have an agenda. I’m not saying don’t listen….just know what they are, first and foremost. And just because they make a clever case that someone is a socialist, or a fascist, doesn’t neccessarily make it so. And it may just blind us to what is really going on.
            Corportists in both partys.

            Use your own eyes. Think for yourself.

            Thats good advise to apply in every area of our lives. Especially religion.

          • Claire

            Sidewinder— Good post.

          • Jana

            Sidewinder,
            wiepedia says a Corporatist is:
            Theory and practice of organizing the whole of society into corporate entities subordinate to the state. According to the theory, employers and employees would be organized into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and largely controlling the people and activities within their jurisdiction.

            Socialism:
            Socialists generally share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and derives its wealth through a system of exploitation. This in turn creates an unequal society, that fails to provide equal opportunities for everyone to maximise their potential,[6] and does not utilise technology and resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the public.[7]
            Many socialists, from Henri de Saint-Simon, one of the founders of early socialism (Utopian Socialism), to Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx, advocated for the creation of a society that allows for the widespread application of modern technology to rationalise economic activity by eliminating the anarchy of capitalist production.[8][9] They reasoned that this would allow for economic output (or surplus value) and power to be distributed based on the amount of work expended in production.

            It seems to me they both end up doing the same thing, so what is the difference?
            Maybe I just don’t understand, and you can explain it to me. A learning moment here?

            Actually either or sounds like Obama, but he has used rhetoric from both.

          • Sidewinder

            Jana..

            Corporatism has the outward form of capitalism in that it preserves private ownership and private management.

            Unlike socialism, corporatism understands that direct government ownership of the means of production does not work, except in the limiting case of infrastructure. But it does not represent a half-way condition between capitalism and socialism. Corporatism blends socialism and capitalism not by giving each control of different parts of the economy, but by combining socialism’s promise of a government-guaranteed flow of material goods with capitalism’s private ownership and management.

            Glad to help you out.

          • Sidewinder

            I do think Corportists are Bad…by the way.

          • Jana

            Sidewinder,
            Thanks for clarifying. All I kept seeing is the Socialism side of it and that the end results seem to be the same.
            Actually, upon thinking about it which can sometimes be dangerous lol, the end results pretty much are the same because the government comes in and puts so many rules and restrictions on the ‘private corporations’ that it might as well be owned by the gov.’t, but the gov.’t doesn’t have to hire someone to run it.
            Does that make sense? Or am I not even close.
            Again, thanks.

      • John

        The truth is the Government did NOT want GM to file bankruptcy because of the unions… The UAW would have lost out BIG TIME, pensions, wages, Health care plans etc all would have been adjusted in a court of Law. In the end the union worker would have been brought down. I live in MI, Flint exactly, and it is amazing what some of the union workers were making, In other cases they did not make squat. In the end, GM was to blame, they allowed the union in good times to get more of the profit, when bad times hit, those contracts were binding and brought GM to its knees.

        I am not anti-union, I just think the Union has too much power, just like I do not think Accountants should run a manufacturing business… In the end we all lose, we are slowly being gobbled up by the Government.

        • Nancy

          I have to disagree about what corporatism is: it is NOT corporations being controlled by the gov’t; it is gov’t being controlled by the corporations. Look it up. I don’t care who said it, Ron Paul or anyone else (he may have been misquoted or he is simply wrong). And corporatism–control of the gov’t by corporations–IS the problem in this country. That is why the Supreme Court decision to allow corporations to give unlimited amounts in political contributions is what you all should be railing against, not Obama, who as president has really very little power. He is not the villain. Allowing corporations to take all the power away from the people is the problem.

          • denniso

            Nancy is right…though we won’t expect most here to get it, including Chip Wood. The right has done a fairly masterful job of handing over gov’t to corporate control while convincing their supporters that they actually support the little guy, and demonising the Dems when they try to restore some of that corporate power back to the gov’t and the people. The right portrays the gov’t as the villain even though the gov’t is made up of the people and is generally accountable to the people…not perfectly, no, but sure as hell more accountable than giant multinational corporations are.

          • George Halepis

            The problem is that Big Business has the politicians squash competition.

          • denniso

            Sure, the goal of corporate America has been and still is to essentially take over control of gov’t so that gov’t will do their bidding. It’s not surprising, since everyone tries to get gov’t at all levels to work for them…the difference is that corporations have much more power w/ all their billions of $$ than any average citizen or any citizen group can possibly garner.

          • JC

            Buying into the idea that it was the right…or it was the left…is incredibly naieve. They ALL pay homage to the Banksters and the Corporations who line their pockets. The problem is “systemic” not red or blue.

        • JeffH

          Marxism is a particular political philosophy, economic and sociological worldview based upon a materialist interpretation of history, a Marxist analysis of capitalism, a theory of social change, and an atheist view of human liberation derived from the work of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.
          The three primary aspects of Marxism are:
          1.The dialectical and materialist concept of history — Humankind’s history is fundamentally that of the struggle between social classes.
          2.The critique of capitalism — Marx argues that in capitalist society, an economic minority (the bourgeoisie) dominate and exploit the working class (proletariat) majority.
          3.Advocacy of proletarian revolution — In order to overcome the fetters of private property the working class must seize political power internationally through a social revolution and expropriate the capitalist classes around the world and place the productive capacities of society into collective ownership.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism

        • JC

          Further to that thought John,
          I’ve seen adds on TV from GM claiming to have repaid their debt years ahead of schedule. I call Bull! What they’ve done is pay back a small portion while leaving the government as permanent owner of 60 plus % of the company. How the hell is that free enterprise? How is it not state intervention?
          There is a serious lack of honesty both in GM’s advertising and from the government itself. (no surprise there)
          And what have a combination of overpaid unions coupled with welfare programs done for Detroit? Turned a world renowned industrial powerhouse into a third world ghetto, that’s what!
          The last thing anyone needs is “more” government.

    • RicSeag

      Instead of wondering why there are so many government jobs, it might be more helpful to ask, “what happened to all the manufacturing jobs?” you can ask all your liberal economists how much better off our nation is since their liberal economic policies became enshrined by Reagan, the Shrubs, and Clinton.

      Now, thanks to the macroeconomic model preferred by the authors of this website, and other libertarian mantras, we have lost not just economic might that will never return, but we will soon be dependent on Mecico and China to make our weapons as well. I’m sure Chairman Mao is watching, gleeful at the way his commie nation has bilked our American Dream -all with the help of the neo-liberal economics made policy since Reagan.

      • Anthony

        Wow – there’s no bias to this comment – none at all.

        Ragan had to deal with a Veto-over-riding Democrat Congress when he was sworn in. They immediately voted themselves a Pay Raise, right after the gas-rationing with Carter (I bet you wish you could blame Reagan for that one, too).

        The Republicans threw anger and outcry at the Left.
        The Left said: “Well, you can give YOURS back, ya know!”

      • RicSeag

        Bias or not….

        Your screed adds nothing to, nor detracts anything from, my comment.

        Are you, then, a defender of the liberal economics that have been enshrined as policy since Reagan took office (by both republican and democratic administrations AND congresses)?

  • Bogusbob

    Apparently i see this administration somewhat differently. They are Fascists. They want to control everything, and they have already started that process. Look at the FCC’s plans. I don’t know of one person in this administration that has ever run a business. They are all elitists. As far as Ron Paul goes, he is s full blown libertarian. I don’t agree with many of his ideas. Since he couldn’t win as a libertarian, he ran as a republican.

    • JC

      BB, Corporate and Economic Fascism has been part of the American fabric since the inception of the Federal Reserve, which is not Federal and has no Reserves. Every administration since 1913 has been guilty of paying homage to a system of economic slavery.

    • Anthony

      My thinking is – if (a BIG IF, that is), but if Ron Paul were to get elected, I think quite a few Libertarian minded Politicians would suddenly come outta the woodwork. But, what I’m also reading, is that Barry Soetoro has just added Libertarians to the potential Terrorists List. I call him Barry, because he has ordered the Governor of Hawaii to seal his birth records – the day after he was sworn in. Nothing suspicious about that.

  • Doc Sarvis

    I believe that government (i.e. the people) is the solution along with the private sector (also the people). I believe that President Obama is a person, elected by the people, who is working with government and the private sector to address various serious problems as government (i.e. the people) should be expected to do.

    • Jeep

      You can pick up your check from the democratic national committee now.

      • Doc Sarvis

        No thanks, I don’t want their money. I’m an Independent.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          YEAH WRIGHT!!!!!!

  • Barb

    I like Americanist and Obama and everyone on the left is Anti-Americanists! My favorite lable for Osama Obama is SOB!

  • Richard

    Chip,

    You don’t come right out and say it, but you seem to indicate that the political spectrum is one dimensional… i.e. someone is either left or right (or on) center. I think this model does not accurately describe the full political spectrum. The Nolan Chart[1] is much more effective by separating ideologies between social and economic lines. i.e. 2 dimensions.

    As a Libertarian I am for maximising both social and economic freedoms, but on your scale I would land right in the center which would group me with people who I certainly not consider myself similar to.

    [1] Also known as “The Worlds Smallest Political Quiz” http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html

    • Jana

      Richard,
      The very reason of Ron Paul’s explanation of Socialism, which is a whishy washy explanation, is why I could not in good conscience vote for him for President. He truly speaks wonderfully, and I agree with most everything he says and stands for, but he is weak on defense.
      Obama is so weak on defense that we are now seeing acts of terrorism on our own soil. Give foreign terrorists their Miranda Rights? They are not citizens they have no rights. They are trying to destroy us.

      I don’t trust Ron Paul any better than Obama on defense. In other words, we don’t have any defense right now.

      • JC

        Jana, not to argue, but I don’t see Ron Paul as weak on defense.
        He is apalled by “offense” and imperialism. That is a core Libertarian belief and it’s in line with the Constitution.
        And I don’t know if you were aware of it but during the last Pres. race, Ron Paul recieved more (grassroots) contributions from the military than all of the other candidates combined. Ask your self why.
        I know the Clintonites and Obamunist’s asked themselves why…and that’s probably why Napolitano’s secret lists of Americans who might be “domestic terrorists” include veterans returning from overseas.
        They’s afraid of the military…the ones who an oath…and they damned well should be.

        • Al Sieber

          I agree with you about Ron Paul. good comment.

        • Jana

          JC,
          I really respect what you have to say, and I would just like to be reassured by something he has said about this himself. I will admit, I have not heard him speak very many times, nor seen any of his written material. What I have heard him say though I did agree with, the only thing I am concerned about is (my perceived) his weakness in standing up for our defense.
          During the Presidential race before this last one, I heard the Libertarian candidate speak on the radio (it was not Ron Paul) and he sounded weak on self protection for our country and therefore I have been concerned about this in Ron Paul, and have not heard him address this issue. Now I may have missed it, easily could have in fact, but it is my concern. Do you have anything I could read. I would certainly apprecitate it, because I do want to be fair.

          • DaveH

            Don’t confuse a disdain for being the World’s Policemen, Jana, as being weak on defense. We Libertarians just don’t like our Military trying to change the ways of other countries through force.
            For defense purposes, making Afghanistan pay dearly for supporting anti-US terrorists made sense. Staying there and trying to change their politics doesn’t.

          • JC

            Jana,
            there is a ton of information out there.
            this one place to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

          • Jana

            Thanks DaveH and JC.
            JC, I will go to that site.

      • rjg

        We are now seeing acts of terrorism on our own soil?

        Did you forget about 9/11, the attemted shoe bomber, the first world trade center bombing, the federal building, the murder of alan berg………………..

        • Jana

          rjg,
          I should have clarified that statement a little more. Yes, we have had major acts of Terrorism on this soil with these other catastrophes. What I should have said is we are seeing a major increase in these terrorist acts now like never before.
          Good point. :)

          • rjg

            Has there really been an increase?

          • Jana

            rjg,
            If you haven’t seen an increase then you have blinders on. Yes, there has been an increase in both acts and in severity.

          • Jana

            pt 2,
            And just because they have been foiled or not done properly does not mean it is not terrorism. Ask those in New York that lived through the last experience. They were terrified.

          • rjg

            Hi Jana

            I was curious if you know of any stats on the number of attacks/attempted attacks in the last 10 years.

        • Sidewinder

          Yeah, and don’t forget the Underwear bomber. He’s been tied to intelligence.

  • Bill Derksen

    Chip, you said:
    I believe government is not the solution, it’s the problem. Barack Obama and his allies believe the opposite.
    What do you say?

    You leave yourself no real choice but some form of anarchy.

    • George Halepis

      Bill, you are correct: there is a form of anarchy on the extreme right called anarcho-libertarianism or anarcho-capitalism. Unfortunately, most are unaware of this, including many libertarians. I say unfortunately because it offers the only salvation for humanity. It involves the total privatization of society. As long as there is any government, thugs will gain control to our detriment. The reason for this was explained succinctly by Frederic Bastiat: “The state is that fiction by which everyone attempts to live at the expense of everyone else”. There have been great books written on the subject. Check it out.

      • June Gagnon

        We need to stop “nitpicking” and name calling – -we’re in trouble and we know it and IT’S UP TO US TO FIX IT. It’s NOT up to government – -they can’t “fix” anything, that’s what got us into this mess in the first place. Strange isn’t it- -we just sit back and complain, till someone like obummer comes along and really makes us sit up, take notice and get busy! I didn’t like GW- -I got so mad at him, after 50 years as a republican, I re-registered as an Independent. But, I have to give him (and his administration) credit for keeping us safe after 9/11. The deficit he “left” obummer, was created by the war in Iraq (that obummer and the democratic congress “approved”) AND the first stimulus obummer urged him to approve, because obummer’s grand entrance was only 2 months away!! So- -as I see it- -obummer INHERITED HIS OWN DEFICIT SPENDING- -and has continued to “out spend” all the the last 10 presidents put together! By the way, I highly recommend reading Aaron Klein’s “Manchurian President” (non-fiction). Do you think it’s time for impeachment now?? I do!

        • Mick for thought

          Well June I am glad that GW turned you over to an independent thinker. I think time will show that the independents will be the majority nation wide in 5-10 years. To me voting the party line is like giving up your right to evaluate and make your own decisions. There have been miserable leaders from local to national in both parties. The blame is equally distributed.
          Sure Obama like all politicians has made political moves, such as siding with George W’s bale out. What would have happened to his campaign if he had not. But personally as I look over the past 17 months of his presidency I see a leader that truly has a nonpartisan approach to governing although the republicans will not come to the table. Much to the chagrin of the far left he stays pretty central. Sure he is spending our money to fix the problems our country has but I believe it is a case of you gotta spend money to make money. Many of the right wing I see here boast of the book of Reagan and how he saved our economy by cutting taxes (which he didn’t). But does anyone remember how long it took? It took more than 6 years! Do we really want to wait 6 years? I for one am willing to give this new president a chance to show what his policies will do. So far they are starting to take hold and I expect will blossom over the next 6 months and will truly be in full bloom within 12-18 months. You say impeach. For what? Read the articles of Impeachment and find me a cause for such a move that is not the delusion of Glen Beck.

    • JC

      Bill,
      Further to George’s thought…not only is anarcho capitalism the nearest thing to natural (unmanipulated) economics and moral law, it limits the role of government to a few basic items and allows for individual sovereignty as the basis for justice.
      Sadly though after several generations of dependency being taught in schools and the media dog and pony show that is daily in our lives…
      no one seems to want to take responsibility for their own lives and seem to prefer cradle to grave security. And there’s nothing “secure” about that.

      I forget which of the framer’s said it:

      “A government big enough to give you everything you need is big enough to take it away.”

      And he was right.

      • Al Sieber

        That would be Thomas Jefferson.

        • JC

          Thank You.

  • http://gmail Tomm Payne

    I found the following quite interesting:

    Make sure you’ve got some antacids………..
    Please watch the video clip below by clicking on the youtube website.

    This is “supposedly” the video that FOX NEWS

    has been trying to show that is constantly blocked

    by the administration.

    Watch this QUICKLY–before it gets Pulled IF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBTS ….THIS SHOULD CHANGE YOUR MIND…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#

    • American Liberal

      Tomm… Of course Fox won’t show this interview… They would have to show the entire interview… I’ve seen the total interview.. And no Obama admitts nothing of the sort… It was a mis speak… The subject they were discussing was religion… Right after Obama said” Muslim faith” he corrected himself….he’s a Christian…only a nitwit would give any weight to an interview that cuts like this one you call proof…it’s like the interview Bush was giving on terrorist and Al Qaeda… He said… Were always thinking of new ways to harm America…. When anyone with any commonsense knows Bush meant , Al qaedas always looking for new ways to harm us…. I can’t stand the sight of Bush but I have to be honest that I knew he meant Al Qaeda… Yomm.. You must be a Tea Bagger and birther..

      • George Halepis

        I you think that there is nothing in “a slip of the tongue”, then you haven’t read Freud. Check it out.

        • Jana

          Not only that, the ‘Church’ that Obama attended with his grandparents while he was in their care, was a ‘Church’ that taught the same radical ways the so called Reverand Wright taught. He has evidently never had a chance to become a ‘Christian’ as he has never been introduced to the Truth and Who the Truth is. He is trying to be tolerant of Christianity, but from the way he talks and the way he acts, he does not comprehend it. This is not a judgement, this is an observation and discernment.

          He speaks too highly of Islam, as well as shows his love of Islam in too many ways for someone that is a Christian.

          No matter what Obama proclaims, Islam is NOT a peaceful religion. Most of the Imams won’t even proclaim that. That is a propaganda tool.

      • John

        It was misspeak? I have to ask, why would he even think that, I believe he said it because he believes it… You never say anything you do not intend to say, sure you can confuse your words, but ultimately either he LIED when he said it, or he LIED when he said he did not mean that and was corrected. He lies most of the time, but every now and then the truth comes out… Just like it did with “Joe The Plumber”.

        Ever watch Survivor?? This season you have Russel, He is a lair a cheat, and no one knows if they are coming or going with him. If you cross him he will cross you back twice as bad, usually it will get you voted off… It dawns on me that Obama and Russell have a lot in common, both play games, both take credit when someone else deserves it and both cannot stand opposition.

        • JC

          It wasn’t mis speak…he just took his eye off the teleprompter for a second and showed his true colors. The man is a Muslim who like to quote from the Holy Quran. That book of wisdom which calls for the death of all infidels.

      • del

        Where did you see the full interview AMERICAN LIBERAL?

  • American Liberal

    Sidewinder… Good post…. It galls the hell outta me that we allowed those thiefs on Wallstreet to collect A bonus after we bailed them out… I was always under the impression a bonus was for a job well done…. On any level I can think of this is wrong ..

    • Jackie

      I agree with you but I think they had binding contracts that made them give them the bonus $

      • American Liberal

        Jackie… I think when they sold those ” shitty deals” as they called them that it was fraud a crime and should have nullified any contracts… Instead of a bonus they should have got ” Handcuffs and a high Bail”..

        • http://?? Joe H.

          am lib,
          I think you were asked where you saw the whole interview. You know, right before you skipped back up half way to the top like you always do to avoid a question!!!

    • John

      With a C corp, which many of these companies are, when there is left over money (Makes a Profit) the government will tax it, When that company hands out payroll then the person pays individual income taxes as well… Its double taxation… HOWEVER if you take that money, dole it out as a bonus, there is no business tax, then only the person takes it out of his personal income tax… Its the way the govt is so upset about it, they do not collect twice. S-corps are different, so do not get them mixed up as an s-corp. is owned by individuals, and ultimately the owner(s) can take what is called “Owner-draws” in turn they pay taxes on that money (Just like the C-corp).

      There is more to it, but that is why they do it, to save money, they were probably entitled to the money anyways, as it was more than likely contractually binding prior to the payment… Like it or not, that is how it goes.

    • Sidewinder

      Thanks American Liberal.

      The Banksters need to go to prison….

    • Jack

      American Liberal,I heard vinegar is good for being GALLED. Most of the time if you take a shower or a bath every day it will help. Not taking one but every week or so will cause you to GALL. You know nothing about government, so just keep your mouth shut, and you won’t make an a$$ out of yourself all the time. Hands a clapping and feet a dancing. Damn!

  • Lefty

    Hey Tomm Payne,

    You got it—the distortion of Faux News or should I say Cluster-Fox News. You can take anything out of context and make someone out to be something they are not. Without hearing the entirety of what Obama was talking about I am left to my own imagination to come to a conclusion. Doing the same thing, a person could take edited sound bites of Rush Limbaugh for example and Rush could be made to sound like a Socialist or even a Muslim. The thing Right Wing Wing-Nuts don’t do is analytical thinking. They just spout off Faux News jargon. I guess that is why I am an Anti-Republican and proud to be so.

    Lefty

    • Jackie

      You are very wrong, Peace Be With You

    • Jeep

      Well done (clapping)! You have learned Alinski’s rule number one well! Now move on to number two…

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Jeep,
        Imagine that even with a name like “lefty” he still has to raise both hands and think “I’m a Lefty so this is my left hand” to tell the difference between his left and right hand!!! That’s why he doesn’t like directions that say turn right, too many honking horns!!!

        • Jeep

          Wow, Joe! LMAO! Uhh…I could not have said it better! Kudos!

  • Average Joe

    Political tags – such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth – are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
    Robert A. Heinlein

    Enough said.

  • http://www.raptorrepublic.com RAPTOR

    It is true that the more important discussion of ideas gets lost in the attempt to label the source. I, too, consider myself to be a ‘liberal’ in the classic sense of the word — as in the time of Sir Edmund Burke and the Founding Fathers. They sought maximum personal liberty consistent with law and order. The popular culture demans tidy, easily recognizable labels to help frame political debate in this nation; and, the Mainstream Media are all too happy to oblige. Most monikers ascribed to what is considered the ‘Right’ in America have become pejorative terms through crafty wordsmithing by the media.

    What should be the focus of discussion are the salient ideas surrounding the concept of liberty. I would like to see those on the ‘Right’ frame their discussions in the context of what promotes the maximum amount of individual liberty; or, how can we reduce the size of government at all levels and reclaim our right to live as sovereign individuals in a free society. The concepts of private property, freedom of worship, freedom of speech, limited government, and limited taxes win every time when they are articulated with passion and conviction.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    If Glenn Beck is right, they(Obama and cohorts) want what happened in Greece to occur hear, but a little differently! Probably because of the cover of racism, Nobody is mentioning the FACT that Obama and his cohorts were of the “weathermen movement” of Chicago in the 60′s promoting a “black takeover” of America for veto power and finally with UN control with blacks controlling the UN, thanks to veto power! Remember Charles Manson in California(?), he took off on this movement! He(Manson) didn’t get as far because they already had the two white men in Chicago leading this Black movement(talk about racism)! Now, they(weathermen) are in Africa, trying to unite these countries for UN power, but it thus far has not been as easy as it looks because they hate each other in Africa as much as us! By the way, this is exactly consistent with bible prophecy and “Jacob’s trouble” for 3 1/2 years very soon to come with Yahweh’s two-witnesses. Watch!

    • Jeep

      What the ?? What are you smoking? I would really like to know so I can avoid it! That is some crazy stuff you’re throwing out there! But, it did give me a good chuckle!

  • Harold Olsen

    Barack Hussein Obama is worse than a socialist. He is a national socialist.

    • denniso

      Are you drunk Harold, or just dumb? If Obama were any sort of socialist then why don’t we working people have more of the wealth of the rich?? Why did he bail out the wealthy and not the working people in any proportional way? Obama is a pragmatist and decided that the bailouts of wall street would be most effective and less costly and less ‘socialistic’, in the common vernacular.

      You people screaming the same old crap over and over are just looking like rabid, uneducated, fools.

      • JeffH

        You have the nerve to accuse others of “screaming the same old crap over and over”?
        Besides your constant ridicule and name calling, your “signature” is all about “screaming the same old crap over and over”.

        • kate8

          Well said, JeffH.

    • JLC

      National Socialist — German: NAtionalsoZIalismus. NAZI

  • JeffH

    The facts point out that Obama is a far left radical whose studied and mastered Alinsky, his parents were communist and he chose to hang out with the most radical of people. I like to think he is a potpourri of radiacalism, Marxism/socialism/commuism.

    I have mentioned the Shadow Party; a name given to a group of organizations that have a liberal left agenda. Let’s bring George Soros into the mix now.

    The so-called “Shadow Democratic Party,” or “Shadow Party,” is a nationwide network of more than five-dozen unions, non-profit activist groups, and think tanks whose agendas are ideologically to the left, which are engaged in campaigning for the Democrats. Its activities include fundraising, get-out-the-vote drives, political advertising, opposition research, and media manipulation. The Shadow Party was conceived and organized principally by George Soros, Hillary Clinton and Harold McEwan Ickes — all identified with the Democratic Party left.

    Barack Obama, Michelle Obama and their left-wing radical cronies are an ever expanding black hole of negativity, anti-American and anti-Semitic viewpoints, and radical re-education of our children toward socialism.

    In the mid-1990s, Palmer attended a number of political meetings at the Chicago-area home of her friends and ideological allies, former Weatherman terrorists Bill Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn. At those gatherings, Palmer developed a friendly relationship with another attendee, a young aspiring politician named Barack Obama.

    In 1995 Barack Obama sought the endorsement of the so-called New Party for his 1996 state senate run. He was successful in obtaining that endorsement, and he used a number of New Party volunteers as campaign workers. By 1996, Obama had become a member of the New Party.
    The New Party was a Marxist political coalition whose objective was to endorse and elect leftist public officials – most often Democrats. The New Party’s short-term objective was to move the Democratic Party leftward, thereby setting the stage for the eventual rise of new Marxist third party.

    Another key supporter of Obama’s 1996 state senate campaign was Carl Davidson, a Marxist who in the 1960s had been a national secretary of Students of a Democratic Society and a national leader of the anti-Vietnam War movement.

    In 1998 Obama became a board member of the Chicago-based Joyce Foundation, which targets its philanthropy in large measure toward organizations dedicated to the agendas of radical environmentalism, “social justice,” prison reform, and increased government funding for social services, particularly for minorities.

    http://logisticsmonster.com/2008/10/30/obamas-american-socialism-decades-in-the-making-part-iii/

    • JeffH

      Chip Wood, thank you for this article. This may end up being the liberals nightmare if they choose to participate. It’s all about Obama and no ne else, not eight years of Bush or Cheney or Reagan, just Obama. Way too much information available and written, including his own words, that support the answer of “YES”!

    • JLC

      JeffH — You have done your homework, and done it well! I have lived under 16 presidents, the last 14 of which I can remember clearly, and can find nothing wrong in your dissertation. You simply cannot argue with facts!

      • JeffH

        JLC, obviously there are a few who dissagree, but when the facts are shoved down their throat they move on to prey on another unsuspecting potential “victim”.

  • http://gmail i41

    There you liberal socialist democrats go again, Wilson, TR, Roosevelt, and Clinton were in bed with unions and the bildge of straightening out Wall Street. He appointed turbo cheat Geithner, who got a multi million dollar send off, another tax cheat Dashle, who gcreated a phony student education funding program with government funds, lobbies for Wall Street groups, Greenspan and his blonde bimbo news anchor Andena, presents unbiased reporting. Hello, Omoron will throw anyone under tyhe bus to acheive whatever he wants. In 16 ,omths the government owns and controls GM, the media pretty much, now all banking. The dems will not kick freedie and fat fannie to the curb or neutor the failed 60 yr. program. Sounds like The National Socialist Democrat Party of Germany, only pretty tight with the socalists over here. Muslims backed Hilter and had a flaw of never telling the truth. I think Omoron is at 5768 lies he has told in public many times. I know you bottom feeders cann’t handle truth. Lib so what is that you do for funding and food, welfare rat, government over paid dead butt wonk, One of Blarney”s house boys, or just live off of taxpayers and you mama? I’d like to stay and play but I need to go to work and pay taxes for you skunky liberal socialists!!

  • Dan

    I’m an American Loyalist. Loyalist has a negative connotation because it described colonists who remained loyal to England during the Revolutionary War, but combined with American, in this age, describes what I am. I believe in maximizing personal freedom, economic and political. I believe that big government, big business, and big labor are all threats to personal freedom and the job of the enlightened citizen is to promote policies and politicians whose goal is to maximize the sovereignty of each of us and to minimize the size and power of any institution capable of usurping our freedom as individuals.

  • American Liberal

    Jeffh..i went to your site… Do you have any opinions of your own?… That site is a lot of nonsense…. Seen it, heard it all before… The Same old Obamas a communist, Obamas a socialist , Obamas a Muslim nonsense that you rightwing radicals tried during the election…that site was a real yawner…..as is all the founding father nonsense from the right…. This isn’t 1776 and you aren’t John Paul Jones…. No take off that silly powered wig .. Stop playing ” minute man”… Get some new material… I’m bored with that… You pretty much copied that site word for word…. You need to proctice thinking on your own..

    • JeffH

      American Liberal, how does anybody learn about history? You either experience it or you read about it. There is so much written to support the fact that Barack is a radical and he supports that information by his actions and through his appointments.

      Even you cannot deny the “facts” as they appear and are written. I choose to present them as they are and I will stand by my affirmations.

      Obama’s team ‘socialists with communist backgrounds’
      Prof with ties to radical White House associates says president understands socialism.

      Many of the people working with President Obama are Marxists or socialists with backgrounds in the Communist Party, according to a socialist Columbia University professor with strong ties to Obama’s radical associates, including Weathermen terrorist Bill Ayers.

      “What makes Obama different is that he has also been a community organizer. He has read left literature, including my works, and he understands what socialism is,” wrote Manning Marable, professor and founding director of the Institute for Research in African American Studies at Columbia University.

      “A lot of the people working with him are, indeed, socialists with backgrounds in the Communist Party or as independent Marxists,” Marable wrote in a December 2008 piece published in the Socialist Review.
      In the article, Marable contends “Obama is not a Marxist or a socialist – he is a progressive liberal.”

      http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109486

    • JeffH

      As your mentor said, “”The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Well, Homey here ain’t playing by your rules.

    • Ronnie Reeferseed

      Sorry you are bored with our earth-shattering, precious US Constitution, pal, but our adherence to it points the best path to a better future for life on our planet…

    • DaveH

      And you, Am Lib, need to do a lot less spouting of unsupported ideas, and a lot more referencing in your comments. You shoot from the Liberal Cuff way too much.

  • American Liberal

    I also liked this artical…. I don’t agree with much Chip woods thinks… But I think this artical gave some of us a chance to address the Socialist nonsense thrown around by the right…. So thanks..

  • Dan

    Obama and most officials of The Democratic Party can be accurately termed collectivists, fascists, statists, etc. The point is they are opponents of our Founding Principles. They are anti-American for sure. If I could wave a magic wand to bring us back to more accurate descriptive terms, I would have the least toxic of the Progressives called Conservatives (Lindsey Graham etc.) and the most toxic (Obama etc.) called Ameriphobes or Anti-Americans. Those of us who do believe in the legitimacy of The Constitution would reclaim our rightful title. We are Liberals.

    • bill

      Fascism is a much misused word.
      from wikipedeia
      Griffin wrote:

      [Fascism is] a genuinely revolutionary, trans-class form of anti-liberal, and in the last analysis, anti-conservative nationalism. As such it is an ideology deeply bound up with modernization and modernity, one which has assumed a considerable variety of external forms to adapt itself to the particular historical and national context in which it appears, and has drawn a wide range of cultural and intellectual currents, both left and right, anti-modern and pro-modern, to articulate itself as a body of ideas, slogans, and doctrine. In the inter-war period it manifested itself primarily in the form of an elite-led “armed party” which attempted, mostly unsuccessfully, to generate a populist mass movement through a liturgical style of politics and a programme of radical policies which promised to overcome a threat posed by international socialism, to end the degeneration affecting the nation under liberalism, and to bring about a radical renewal of its social, political and cultural life as part of what was widely imagined to be the new era being inaugurated in Western civilization. The core mobilizing myth of fascism which conditions its ideology, propaganda, style of politics and actions is the vision of the nation’s imminent rebirth from decadence.

      • Peter

        For my money, this describes the green movement perfectly!

        • JC

          Peter, I call the Green’s “Watermelons”. Green on the outside, Red on the inside.

  • http://www.BillGrishamCPA.com Bill Grisham

    Leonard E. Read who founded the Foundation for Economic Education explained it best:
    “What is statism? It has many names: Fabianism, Nazism, fascism, communism, socialism, state-interventionism, the welfare state, the planned economy, and all sorts of ‘deals’ — new, fair, and otherwise. These labels, rather careless generalizations, have a common characteristic that identifies each and every one as essentially the same thing: the use of government—the organized police force—as the means to direct the creative activities of the people.”
    “The ideal of freedom is to let anyone do anything he pleases, as long as his behavior is peaceful, with government empowered to keep the peace—and nothing more. An ideal objective, true, but one that must be pursued if we would halt the continuing descent of our society from bad to worse. Nothing short of this will suffice. And unless we fully understand the ideal—and what makes for its attainment—we’ll tend to settle for powerless, futile little pushes and shoves that yield no more than a false sense of something done.”
    We have been adopting socialistic policies for so long in this country that we no longer recognize freedom as living life in our own way, doing no harm to others or their property, and allowing others to do the same. Our San Antonio city council even passed an updated land use ordinance yesterday that controls the removal of the trees on your property; so much for respecting property rights. Our Prussian designed education system has done its job of dunbing down the public to the point that the Texas school books of the future will attempt to omit Thomas Jefferson from the history books. The sophistry of our leaders combined with a total lack of respect for our fellow human beings will cause our fall because of inner rot.

  • s c

    If Obubbabummer is ‘good’ (for anything), let him move to Greece. He’s very good at spreading continent-wide carbon footprints around the world.
    Who cares ‘what’ he is? It’s what he DOES that matters. What he SAYS will give you all the clues you need to put him in an accurate light. Between what Obummerbubba has done and said in the last 16 months or so is more than enough to see him as the antithesis of a leader.
    He makes bubba clinton look like a choir boy. His advisors would have fit in perfectly in WWII Japan or Germany. His schemes are so close to wannabe crimes that people have to be ready for a one-way trip to an asylum if they think they can work.
    I hear Greece is nice this time of the year. So, someone please get Air Force One ready. Greece is thataway!

  • WarriorH

    Fraud-ism; Union-ist; Narcissist-ist; Crony-ism; Deceitful-ist. Who cares, this democratic leadership is NO DAMN GOOD.

  • RicSeag

    Maybe you should ask not “why are there so many government jobs”, but rather, “what happened to all the manufacturing jobs?”

    Perhaps you liberal-economists could explain to you how much better off our country is now that we’ve allowed the free-market to act unchecked and send all those jobs to China and other communist, Muslim, and other ruthless countries. All in the name of economic liberalism.

    • George Halepis

      Have you ever bought anything that was made overseas?

      • RicSeag

        Can you still buy something that’s not? Certainly not clothes or electronics or most durable goods….

        Motsure, but most furniture, books, etc, etc….

        Read the labels on what you buy. You’d be shocked at what totalitarian regimes you private dollars go to support.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    Yes, of course he’s a socialist!! It’s just pathetic that some 63,000,000 morons didn’t see that on 11/4/2008. And given that his approval ratings are still in the 40s, apparently many people still don’t see the truth.

    Then again, many of those who still approve of Obama are probably just drones, or moochers waiting for handouts paid for by taxing those who are productive…..WAKE UP AMERICA!!!! On 11/4/2008, you made One Big Awful Mistake America!!

    • American Liberal

      Earl…Obama..66,882,230… Or 53%

      McCain..58,343,671…or 46%….

      Earl… You’re amazed that many people voted for Obama…. And I find it crazy that 58 plus million Americans would put out country in the hands of John McCain and Sarah Palin … That’s a scarey thought..

      • JeffH

        The approval numbers are tougher today compared to November 2008 when Obama destroyed McCain. I believe the steady decline will fester into a huge victory for the people in 2010 and temporarily plug the hole in the push to complete the socialist transformation of America by the Dems and Obama.

        The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 27% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -13
        http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

  • Marilyn

    Yes, Obama is a Socialist among other things. You cannot keep taking from the working class and the rich and giving to the poor. That will soon be the end of a Nation!

    Here is some interesting data:

    1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.

    Verify at: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd8

    2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

    Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

    3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

    Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

    4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! (See why California is broke!)

    Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt..0.HTML

    5 $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

    Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

    6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

    Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/%20TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

    7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

    Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

    8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.

    Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.HTML

    9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

    Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSC%20RI%20PTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

    10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US .

    Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn..com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt..01.HTML

    11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries.. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the US from the Southern border.

    Verify at: Homeland Security Report:

    12. The National policy Institute, estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.’

    Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute…org/PDF/deportation…PDF

    13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.

    Verify at: http://www .. rense.com/general75/niht.htm

    14.. ‘The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .’

    Verify at: http: // http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml http://ww/%20w.drdsk.com/articleshtml%% 20w.drdsk.com/articleshtml

    The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND IF YOU’RE LIKE ME HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS $338,300,000,000.00 WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.

    Are we THAT stupid? YES, FOR LETTING THOSE IN THE U.S.CONGRESS GET AWAY WITH LETTING THIS HAPPEN YEAR AFTER YEAR!!!!!

    • JeffH

      Marilyn, Thank, I haven’t checked all of the links, but I have seen a lot of those figures and won’t question their validity.

      • RicSeag

        And that’s why we’re where we are. Most people are too lazy to check these “facts.” They are – almost to a point – either fabrications or distotions. Nonetheless, brainless America will swallow them whole.

        Even if they were true – which they are not – these numbers pale in comparison to the enormous numbers given in the form of direct and indirect corporate welfare.

        • JeffH

          RicSeag, I suppose then that you are able to counter each of the “fabrications” with the real facts?
          You see, you haven’t provided anything more than your words, and absolutely nothing to make us believe you.

        • RicSeag

          I can refute each one, or show how is is a distorted statistic meant to inflame. But my doing that for you wouldn’t be very libertarian now, would it. Think and act for yourself. Don’t just say, ‘duh, I don’t have time to check, so I’ll take your word for it, duh….thanks for washing my brain, duh….’

    • WarriorH

      Nice,

      Why don’t we ship the illegals to Greece with the billions in bailouts we’re going to send them thru the IMF. Good God, this minority rule has to stop.

    • Airangel

      and Pelosi vetoed the 4 billion structural, architectural, top notch engineered wall…said 4 billion was too much – COMPARED TO WHAT?!

    • Al Sieber

      Right on Marilyn, thanks for the links.

    • rjg

      I only got to #1 but how does the STATE spending money on illegal aliens prove your president is a socialist? The president is the head of the FEDERAL Government is he not?

  • pat

    I call myself a Libertarian Conservative. It’s not that I may not have conservative values or opinions, but I believe they should be well “kept personal.” Conservatives sometimes are too much status quo.
    I am not a teacher/cop cheerleader, and believe they are always right. I have a natural suspicion of all things. There are good cops, bad cops, good prosecutors, bad. prosecutors, bad teachers, good teachers. I don’t assume everything is swell just because it’s a person of authority. If you truly are a conservative, you would remember that these people work for US. You would control their outrageous pensions and come down hard on their abuse. So I would go with a Libertarian Conservative to describe yourself Mr.Wood. I have been reading you for quite a long time and I would say that describes you the best.

  • American Liberal

    Jeffh…i know you’d line to take the womans vote away and bring slavery back….but don’t you think Judy is capable of deciding for herself if she chooses to answer my question… ?..I don’t believe she needs your help…

    • JeffH

      Easy, you’re showing your fangs Mr. Pitbull!

    • JeffH

      “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)”
      When those prominent in the status quo turn and label you an ‘agitator’ they are completely correct, for that is, in one word, your function—to agitate to the point of conflict.”

      Alinsky

      • Right Wing

        Jeff, I think it is giving too much credit to assume that any liberal posting here knows who Alinsky is but you are dead on with the results. This leads me to believe that Alinsky was a moron who merely described his own inability to affect meaningful, productive changes and exposed his own vengeful nature (complete with roadmap for other pansies who got beat up on the playground).

        • JeffH

          Right Wing, what Alinsky didn’t count on was that some could figure out his game…then turn the table around. And you are right…Right Wing.

    • DaveH

      American Liberal,
      Throughout history Socialists have shown their willingness to take not only votes away from people, but also their money and their lives.
      Your kind shows with their willingness to force their way on others through government, that the previously mentioned actions would not be unlikely if they were allowed to gain too much power.

  • Thomas Walsh

    Hey Chip How about identifing yourself as a Jeffersonian Conservative? I want to conserve the Jeffersonian ideal of individual liberty. Thank you.

  • Objective Analyst

    Socialism, Communism, Fascism, and Nazism are all degrees or variants of Marxism. What is in a name? That which we call Marxism by any other name would smell as bad. We are being overtaken by statist progressives with Marxist proclivities. (Some more terms to mince words with). Bottom line our liberty continues to be under assault by people with no regard for individual sovereignty.

    • Barb

      AMEN! And thank you!

    • JLC

      Objective Analyst:

      Couldn’t have said it better myself.

      Correction: Couldn’t have said it as well.

    • rjg

      Fascism and Nazism are not variants of Marxism.
      The Nazi’s were rabidly anti communist.

  • American Liberal

    Jeffh…if you can manage to answer the question without using a sites opinion word for word… Why don’t you answer?… What has Obama done that Makes him a Marxist… In your opinion… I don’t want some nonsense from any site…….. So jeffh… Are you the official self appointed minder in here ?…funnnyyyyy…all questions need to be approved by Jeff… A direct offspring of Moe, Larry and Curley..

    • JeffH

      You just can’t handle the truth can you? Uncle Saul didn’t teach you how to handle those that won’t play by your rules did he? Suck it up big guy! Accept it for what it is. I’m not going to play the role of victim for you. Figure it out, and if you can’t, I’ll post a few links for you that will explain it far better than I!

  • DaveH

    Chip,
    The Libertarian Party “has never gained broad appeal or acceptance”, because so few people have any idea at all about their platform. Both major parties are afraid of the Libertarians, thus they try to paint them in a bad light whenever possible. And the MSM has for decades ignored them as much as possible. Hopefully, John Stossel on the Fox Business Channel is going to change that lack of information on the public’s part.
    Some of our principles are indeed scary because people, by their nature, yearn to control anything that frightens them. Drugs are an excellent example. We believe that drugs should be legalized. Not because we are drug users (I am a teetotaler myself), but because we recognize peoples’ right to mistreat their own bodies and because we recognize that the efforts to control the drugs are counterproductive.
    I believe that the harm created by the Drug Wars far exceeds the harm created by the use of drugs. I think it is dumb to do drugs but it is dumber to try to protect people from themselves.

  • Mick for thought

    Finally Chip started a conversation of substance. From this site I have mostly seen lots of name calling and incarnate psychosis of Glen Beck but today I am happy about this opening dialogue.
    In my opinion President Obama, although lacking in a strong résumé coming into the job, has stepped in the little shoes left by George W and went to work for the American people. I see a president who has filled out his knowledge base and is making slightly left of center thoughtful decisions. I have watched him try to get the party of NO to get more involved and I see him getting things done that we have put off for decades. Is he a socialist, fascist or some other all controlling entity? No and time will prove me right. Of the large corporations he has helped out – and gave the tax payers partial ownership in – I suspect all will have cleared their debt with the government and will once again be fully privatized within the next 1-2 years. Many here are raging over regulations and reforms of the financial district. Lots of people here say deregulation is the answer. They recall President Reagan’s stand that government is the problem. Does anyone recall he was the catalyst that deregulated or disbanded many federal agencies. For example he said the meats industry could be self regulating and the close watch over that food source went away. It took awhile before profits became more important than safety to these companies but finally Ecoli, staph and other forms of dangerous contamination became common news stories. Unfortunately that is what self regulating degrades into. The financial institutions were strongly regulated as a result of the Great Depression and it kept our system safe until the regulations were slowly, quietly stripped away over the past 20 years.
    Although many writers on this site demonize President Obama as a lying socialist, communist, fascist, Nazi dictator born in Kenya with no right to be leading our country, they do not know the meaning of any of those terms and are educating themselves by listening to the opinions that support their narrow minded view of the political world. As I try hard to be objective and scrutinize the opinions I have read and heard combined with many hours of reading history and the constitution I do not see any of those labels fitting this president. I see this President as the man who is trying to fight the multimillion dollar interest groups to get some controls and safeguards over this broke system and protect us from future disasters. I have no label for this President.
    I know I will see lots of comments in CAPS calling we vomit and puss or words to that effect, but after my 20 years in the US Army both practicing my trade and teaching others I know that no how articulate and patient I am there are always some people that refuse to listen and learn. This can be summed up in the expression, “You can lead a rock to water but you cannot teach it to swim.”
    As a side note to the Birthers in the room – do you really think that the Clintons, McCain or the previous George W Cheney administration did not use their massive political influence to find any secrets Obama foreign birth certificate?

  • Brian

    Every utterance made by 0bama has indicated that he is at most a statist and at least a socialist. On the extreme he can be classified as a fascist in the context of Nazis and Bolsheviks in the sense these groups were socialist as well. In the context of American politics, he is clearly a liberal. But, these labels are all faces of the same political Rubik’s cube. Irrespective of the name assigned, they are all variations on the same theme. Barak Obama can find a place in any of these psychologies or political ideologies.

    Obama subscribes to the idea our American society is unjust and unfair to a certain segment of the population which he identifies with. From that frame of reference he believes the rest of society owes this put upon interest group. He believes this group with its manufactured victim status is entitled to the income of people who reject being categorized and aspire to elevate themselves through individual effort rather than waiting to be given money confiscated from their neighbors. To be fair though, Barak does not come from this group and his privileged upbringing insured he did not have to struggle. He most likely harbors guilt over his good fortune but concurrently some sort of resentment on some level. This contrived resentment has been targeted at the part of America which responds to this invented victim status which has been foisted on us since the introduction of the Great Society programs and before that the New Deal.

    Obama’s ostensibly socialist outlook is not new and is a political philosophy native to this country going back at least a century. What we are witnessing is a rehashing of an old formula which we are ignorant of out of not being educated in our own history. The assignment of Barak Obama as socialist though is not altogether inappropriate since socialists in the American application of it anyway has frequently been practiced by people of wealth and privilege who harbor some self-guilt over the plight of others. Instead of personally applying their wealth to the problem, they attribute the problem of the perceived have-nots to that amorphous segment of society called the haves. This shifting of blame comes from a realization the problem is too big for one person to solve and therefore everybody must pay through the auspices of a confiscatory tax policy. This appropriation of peoples’ income has been dishonestly termed redistribution of wealth in the aim of mitigating the guilt of taking peoples’ earnings by labeling most anyone earning a good income as rich.

    • Marc

      “privileged upbringing”
      After reviewing a number of on-line biographies of Barack Obama, the most I can make of it is that he had a middle-class upbringing. Although for a bi-racial man of that time, I guess that may have been a real “privilege”.

      • American Liberal

        Marc… I agree…Obamas upbringing seems a little on the upper middleclass to me… I don’t see anything radical in his upbringing… I think his grandparents did a good job…

        • kate8

          AL – You have GOT to be kidding. Or else you are just deluded. Have you even looked beyond the left-wing hype into the actual life history of Barry Soetoro? At least the part that could be determined in spite of his sealed records.

  • Raggs

    Socialist???…Nah coundn’t be….

    I would call him a few choice words but a socialist, I prefer a communist.

  • JeffH

    NEWS FLASH! NEWS FLASH!

    Obama hails 290,000 new jobs as evidence his policies are working.
    Still, the unemployment rate rose from 9.7 to 9.9 percent after 805,000 people joined the labor force.

    • Barb

      JeffH, Isn’t it a shame that the SOB Obama doesn’t pull is arm out of the socket the way he pats himself on his own back and brags how great he is? Talk about a self serving con artist with nothing but smoke and mirrors. And we’re supposed to believe that everything is better than 4 years ago,now! HA!!!!!! Thanks for posting this !

    • Airangel

      Hey JeffH, I just heard that too….do you know if those 290,000 jobs are all private sector jobs?

      • JeffH

        Airangel, under-employment is well over 17% now.

        • Airangel

          Yes, I’m just afraid they are including all the Census workers in the 290,000 jobs which many of those are only temporary and of course if any are Government jobs, that does not help the economy because the Government does not produce anything as all Government jobs are soley supported by the tax payers.

          • DaveH

            Many of the government jobs are actually negatively productive, as they not only don’t produce anything but they actively interfere with those people who are producing things.
            In a free market people vote with their wallets. You can bet if the people had to pull their own money out to pay for most of these Government programs, they would change their minds in a hurry about how much Government we need.

    • American Liberal

      Barb… I wouldn’t expect you to understand the job market… Your the one who was posting that President Obama has spent 13 trillion dollars since he took office… And don’t try and lie your way out of it…and calling the president an SOB is an insult to his mother… Your ignorance is noted ..

      • Barb

        13 Trillion and counting! And I don’t have to lie you air head it’s all there for anyone to see! And it’s amazing to me how so many new jobs were made by Obama in April when the unemployment rate went up! Sounds like creative math to me! I would show you in detail the 13 trillion he is responsible for but I refuse to play your Ayers and Alinski games, sorry!

        • DaveH

          Am Lib is right on this one, Barb. Obama only spent $3 Trillion since he’s been in office for 16 months. That’s over $9000 per person in the US (including every man, woman, and child). That’s over $12000 per adult in the US. How many of us would pay $12000 freely for what Obama has done for us? Actually, I would expect Obama to pay me for what he’s done for me.

          • Jana

            Dave H,
            Have you included the Health Care Bill in this?

          • DaveH

            No, Jana, only the current National Debt minus what it was when he took office. The unfunded liabilities are a whole other story. I try to avoid that subject as it is largely an estimate and unprovable. It’s hard enough to wake the Liberals up with hard facts. Here is the National Debt clock which includes that estimate ($108 trillion):
            http://usdebtclock.org/

  • chuck b

    barry soetoro is not a socialist he is a marxist out of the same cut as the clintons. the main differenc between him and the clintons, barry is a muslim, he bows to the east.

  • LocalYokel

    I fail to see anything constructive here except that some have failed to describe others by their media generated political association whether earned or given. No single incumbent candidate or party can rightly be held accountable for the sum total of todays blame game calamity. But new records in legislated errors seem to be the present goal of the majority of perpetrators. If you started your own analytical thinking with current news, you need to go back in history at least to the point where small periodicals started to fan the embers of freedom.
    Back then honor was abundant and quickly defended by risk of death in a duel. Patriot and traitor were the only classifications for men of honor. Few of one group survived and then only by silence. Since then there have been created numerous parties and five far left to far right descriptive political titles for the meek of both groups
    to assume thereby avoiding a challenge of honor. None of them can stand the test of time or a mass media attack.
    Traitors protected by the constitution survived and noticed the affect of the printing press on the public opinion and eventually used it by buying up the top seventeen daily papers in the USA in one fell swoop. Mass media still controls voter opinion in most population centers till this day. Their worst half truths have been their failures to report the names those at the very top of a true enemy list.
    When you have caught up on your history remember the words of Henry, Franklin, Jefferson and all the other patriots of their day. Hence fourth your own words or your silence may place you one of the only two categories that count. If you can claim affiliation with one then, state it. You can bet one will be challenged. The other is presently being re-defined by media spin.
    If you can’t echo Patric Henry then silence may be your best bet. Your first amendment right could elect you to membership in a group of humming birds all with alligator mouths. Many in DC need your company. The twenty year Republic renewal period that Jefferson addressed is long over due

  • Mick for thought

    Made this entry earlier but do not see it. Excuse the duplicate if you have seen it twice.

    Finally Chip started a conversation of substance. From this site I have mostly seen lots of name calling and incarnate psychosis of Glen Beck but today I am happy about this opening dialogue.
    In my opinion President Obama, although lacking in a strong résumé coming into the job, has stepped in the little shoes left by George W and went to work for the American people. I see a president who has filled out his knowledge base and is making slightly left of center thoughtful decisions. I have watched him try to get the party of NO to get more involved and I see him getting things done that we have put off for decades. Is he a socialist, fascist or some other all controlling entity? No and time will prove me right. Of the large corporations he has helped out – and gave the tax payers partial ownership in – I suspect all will have cleared their debt with the government and will once again be fully privatized within the next 1-2 years. Many here are raging over regulations and reforms of the financial district. Lots of people here say deregulation is the answer. They recall President Reagan’s stand that government is the problem. Does anyone recall he was the catalyst that deregulated or disbanded many federal agencies. For example he said the meats industry could be self regulating and the close watch over that food source went away. It took awhile before profits became more important than safety to these companies but finally Ecoli, staph and other forms of dangerous contamination became common news stories. Unfortunately that is what self regulating degrades into. The financial institutions were strongly regulated as a result of the Great Depression and it kept our system safe until the regulations were slowly, quietly stripped away over the past 20 years.
    Although many writers on this site demonize President Obama as a lying socialist, communist, fascist, Nazi dictator born in Kenya with no right to be leading our country, they do not know the meaning of any of those terms and are educating themselves by listening to the opinions that support their narrow minded view of the political world. As I try hard to be objective and scrutinize the opinions I have read and heard combined with many hours of reading history and the constitution I do not see any of those labels fitting this president. I see this President as the man who is trying to fight the multimillion dollar interest groups to get some controls and safeguards over this broke system and protect us from future disasters. I have no label for this President.

    I know I will see lots of comments in CAPS calling we vomit and puss or words to that effect, but after my 20 years in the US Army both practicing my trade and teaching others I know that no how articulate and patient I am there are always some people that refuse to listen and learn. This can be summed up in the expression, “You can lead a rock to water but you cannot teach it to swim.”

    As a side note to the Birthers in the room – do you really think that the Clintons, McCain or the previous George W Cheney administration did not use their massive political influence to find any secrets Obama foreign birth certificate?

    • Marc

      “You can lead a rock to water but you cannot teach it to swim.” But some of those “rocks” do love to make a big splash……

      • Mick for thought

        Yep, but they still will never learn to swim. So I guess I equate that to mean they like to make waves and noise whether they are capable of learning or not. Did I get that right?

    • American Liberal

      Mick… I think your post is rock solid… On point and correct ….one of the most intelligent post I’ve seen here today…and you didn’t need to insult anyone… Good for you ..and thankx

      • DaveH

        Intelligent because he spouts the left-wing agenda? How quaint. I can’t speak for meat except to say nobody I know has ever been harmed, and gee, the media found evidences of food poisoning. That proves deregulation doesn’t work. NOT! Anybody who has watched the mainstream media much knows that they love to pile on to the latest craze, be it pit-bull bitings, or ozone hysteria. And since food poisoning is a common occurence, it doesn’t take much effort to find examples of it.
        What I can speak for, and anybody my age has experienced it, is that Reagan’s deregulation of the oil companies got an out of control energy price spiral into control where it stayed for 2 decades.
        There is nothing intelligent about advocating Big Government when history has shown that it doesn’t work. Right now, Greece, Portugal, and Spain are experiencing the results of excessive government spending and the rest of Europe may soon follow.
        It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that when you give people something for nothing, they produce less not more.

        • Mick for thought

          Please do not lump me into a lefty corner. I am myself not a wing of politics. I grew up the son of a school teacher. Joined the Army in 77 during the recession that followed Nixon and Ford (not a lefty move). It continued through Carter and 5 years of the Reagan administration. I retired with 11 promotions in 20 years (figure that one out). My voting record: whoever ran against Carter the first time, Carter over Reagan, whoever ran against Reagan’s second term (because Reagan merely acted the part of president), George H twice (because he was a smart man with a resume), whoever ran against Billy Clinton the second time(because I knew a snake in the grass when I saw one), whoever ran against George W twice (because he is stupid and never got any smarter), Obama over McCain because even without a resume he is a much better choice than the narrow minded hot head from Arizona with Caribou Barbi in tow.

          I believe my elected officials should do what is best for OUR country without being stuck in the dogma of their party. I have read the Constitution thoroughly and find it to be a wonderful foundation to build the greatest nation in the world. As I read the other comments here I see many that are left and right and firm to their point of view, some are based upon knowledge while some are based on the bible of Beck or Oberman.

          I am sorry I insulted someone for their spelling a few days ago when I should have just addressed the total dribbling gibberish he was misspelling.

          • Sidewinder

            You are a rare type of person. One wiith whom I can agree with completely in your reasoning.

            Wish there were more like you out there. You do your own thinking, and do not rely on groups to give you your opinion.

            Thats why I am an independent.

            I have been branded a Liberal and Fascist on the same page in the past, on another site. When you think for yourself, they can’t understand how to label you. I am an independent conservative, and understand no party has a patent on good ideas, or is the exclusive party of bad ideas.

            But I am NOT, nor have I ever been, nor will I ever be….a Republican.

          • DaveH

            Sorry, Mick, but if you see “this President as the man who is trying to fight the multimillion dollar interest groups to get some controls and safeguards over this broke system and protect us from future disasters.”, you are a leftist. As everything he is doing leans to the hard left.

          • Jana

            So, Sidewinder,
            Are you a Democrat or an Independent?

        • Mick for thought

          PS the oil companies were deregulated in the 60s when Reagan was still an actor or was he hosting Death Valley Days. Would you say deregulating Wall Street had nothing to do with our near financial collapse?

          • DaveH

            You bet, the two main drivers for the bubble and the collapse were the loose money policies of the Federal Reserve and the coercion by government for the lending institutions to lend money to marginal borrowers.
            The so-called deregulation was not deregulation at all, just a different set of rules.
            http://reason.org/news/printer/the-myth-of-financial-deregula

            We had a crash in 1920 that very well could have been a Depression, but Government butted out. The private market corrected things. Nine years later the 1929 collapse happened. The Government got very involved, and what happened? We had over 10 years of Depression.

    • Al Sieber

      Mick, you’re giving yourself too much credit.

  • Raggs

    Barry is a fool!!!!

    The congress is full of liars and thieves.

    If he really thinks that America is going to pour our hard work into his communist behavour that you have to buy this from me attitude or you go to jail.

    That is nothing less than a dictatorship And I for one will not bend on his demands! I was born free and I intend on dieing that way!

  • American Liberal

    All these people claiming President Obama is a Marxist and not 1 of them can tell us what a Marxist is… Only that Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh said so….the real truth is we have a president with a skin color they can’t stand…

    • Marc

      now people will say you’re playing the “race card”…..but living in the midwest, I can see that is part of the problem for some people.

    • DaveH

      Duh, would it be a person who follows the teachings of Karl Marx? What do I win?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt7zWQMHLFY

      • JeffH

        Barbara West Interviews Joe Biden (10/23/08)
        http://www.wftv.com/video/17790025/index.html

        • DaveH

          Typical Liberal Smoke and Mirrors and the Politics of Envy. It really doesn’t matter who they get the taxes from. The most important thing is the way the government spends it – wastefully. That hurts everybody (except of course the leaders and their gang members), not just the 1% of income earners who pay 40% of the income taxes.

    • JC

      Oh Look! The race card again…
      That’s Liberal Code for: “I don’t have anything intelligent to say so I’ll just call all of you names”

      And actually American Commie….you’re right I can’t stand his color -
      RED! Communist Red. But his skin color has no significance whatever.

      I would dearly love to see Alan Keyes in the oval office and unlike your Kenyan deity, he’s a genuine black American.

  • American Liberal

    Raggs… And what’s Obama done that makes him a communist?.

    • DaveH

      If a man attempts to murder someone but is thwarted, is he not a murderer?
      Just because Obama can not fully reveal or implement his beliefs does not make him less of a Socialist or Marxist or Communist or whatever he really is.
      Who cares. The facts are that he is growing government power over our choices and economy dramatically. That is all that matters. You can call him anything you want.

      • Mick for thought

        Please give me a list the freedoms and liberties he has taken away?

        • denniso

          The rightwingers are often asked what freedoms Obama has taken away, and they never respond w/ an answer or list. They can’t…they just like the sound of their dumb statement and think that people won’t ask the question, and true, some don’t…they just buy into it.
          DaveH shows his lack of logic above…a person is thwarted trying to murder another, and DaveH says he is still a murderer, even though he was stopped? No, you’re a murderer if and only if you murder someone.
          Simple enough DaveH???

          • Mick for thought

            Thought it was worth a try.

          • denniso

            Yep, we can watch how they won’t come forward to list their rights that Obama has taken…they may claim that he has stolen their right to have whatever healthcare they want, but that’s a large stretch and it’ll end there.

          • DaveH

            Then you are indeed the type of fool I thought you were Dumniso. But then, how could I expect a Liberal with a twisted set of morality to understand that people are immoral whether or not they get away their evil.

          • DaveH

            I guess it’s about time for another morality lesson for the Liberals:
            http://mises.org/daily/4125

            I realize that the ones who need it most, won’t read it.

          • denniso

            So what?? It’s an anti tax screed, big deal. Equating taxes to theft. How do we pay for gov’t and gov’t services,that even you want to keep, if we don’t have taxes? And we have a progressive tax system because our national wealth is so unevenly divided. We give food stamps to poor families so they can feed their kids, and you begrudge that? You and your rightwing buddies are just cheap, that’s all. You want to cut your taxes significantly? Pull the plug on the trillion $$ we spend every year on the total military budget. But, no, you’d rather foam at the mouth over the relative nickels and dimes spent trying to keep poor kids from starving. Pathetic…

          • DaveH

            So what, Dumniso? When you vote to take somebody else’s money away, you are a thief, not a benefactor. Thieves can rationalize their theft all they want, but it is still theft.
            You have no idea what those rich people did to earn their money. They most likely worked hard to get a good education, sacrificed comfort, took personal and financial risks, and worked long hours to achieve their wealth. On top of that they have provided jobs for most of us. Productive jobs, not the negatively productive jobs that Government mostly provides. Then along come you greedy, immoral, sanctimonious Liberals who do your best to tear them down for all that they sacrificed. You are nothing better than ignoble thieves. Own it, Dumniso.

          • denniso

            So DaveH can’t address the point once again…just more name calling.

            And you know, I miss most of your comments anyway because you feel compelled to butcher my name on here so that when I search through the comments under my name, yours don’t come up…oh well, they’re mostly personal attacks anyway.

        • JC

          Here’s a thought for Mick for thought…
          What has he “Changed”? Nothing, that’s what. In fact he has furthered the same government agenda that’s been in place for many administrations from both sides. So much for “Change”.
          If anything he has increased government largesse ten fold.
          Never in the history of the planet has the wealth of a nation been so openly and widely plundered.
          So it’s just not an issue of blame so much as we’ve never seen it so bad before. It’s worse than it’s ever been and with this guy there is no change and there is no hope.
          We The People…are the only “Hope” for some “Change”.

        • DaveH

          Okay, Mick.
          1) He has taken away my freedom to Not invest in failing companies.
          2) He has taken away my freedom to Not buy Health Insurance, which I know is a waste of money.
          3) He is trying hard to take away my freedom to buy energy from the source of my choice.
          4) He is taking away my freedom to spend my money wisely and not wastefully.
          5) He is trying to take away my Freedom to Not pay for Liberal talk radio, which I don’t want to listen to, and I certainly don’t want to pay for.
          And what difference does it make to you, Dumniso, if anybody answers Mick’s question or not. We don’t have to answer every dumb question you Liberal’s propose.
          Just like you probably won’t answer my question. Name anything that Government does more efficiently than the Private Sector. And I’m not talking about things which they have a monopoly on, like the armed forces.

  • American Liberal

    Mick… Best post if the day…

    • American Liberal

      Typo… Mick… Best post” of ” the day..

      • Mick for thought

        Thank you. Just trying to get smart people to discuss things in a civil manner and do some research instead of just quoting the talking heads of talk radio, FOX or MSNBC.

  • American Liberal

    Jeffh… Think for a second… Could it mean more people are now looking for jobs because their are more jobs on the market?…

  • chuck b

    amer lib whats a marxist!!

    surely you can, a person with so much knowledge gleaned off google and confirmed by the far left snopes, you ask what is a marxist look up karl marx and then you can go to freidrich engels then to lenin, this will explain the difference. you can trace communism all the way to the white house. then when you understand, you can get local yokel and ship down the road singing ” we’ll sing in the sunshine” everyone can get along while we head for the fields to pick cotton.

  • http://herringtons.home.mindspring.com lighterknot

    Chip ; I’d say your left wing is not strong enough to keep you from flying in circles but you obviously know where to capitalize; why didn’t you become a preacher? You could really shear the sheep.

    Terminology; Made simple.

    Economics; a Social Science that studies the production, distribution and consumption of goods and services, It uses an international exchange system known as money.

    Fascism; Dictatorship.

    Communism; control by the state…

    Socialism; partial control by the state

    Capitalism; very little control by the state

    Anarchy; no control by the state

    Technocracy; control by scientific methods

    All these systems seek the same ends to provide a safe prosperous environment for those under their care. Moral obedience to the systems laws are necessary or failure is inevitable. For any system not to recognize the reality of a changed world and adjust and create laws to compensate is failure. Any system that wrecks vital eco systems is a complete disaster and failure.
    Capitalism is dog eat dog the most natural of these systems and because it has laws that govern it has created unprecedented success. Unfettered capitalism is no more than anarchy and a cannibal’s buffet where you are the dinner or the dinner. It winds up in highly concentrated power such as that of JP Morgan in 1907 he created that depression to establish the central bank 1913; The Great Depression didn’t really happen till around Oct.29th 1929. There is a multitude of reasons and opinions on why it happened but too much money in the hands of too few is fairly sound.
    A few socialized systems and the Second World War employing assembly line weapons builders brought us out of the depression along with going off the gold standard and put the US on the path to a Military Industrial economy and the march to imperialist dreams. For 60 years now we’ve been goose stepping to military technocracy and its commercial value as a commodity for consumption. Little have we noticed how technology frees us to do the impossible while enslaving us in a closed system of nuts and bolts.
    The Reagan years of unleashing Capitalism has brought things to a state of disaster 30 years of unfettered capitalism did not ruin the country it just put the machinery in overdrive and the peddle to the medal so to speak.
    A sustainable economy environmentally in balance with nature and under a world governess must be implemented soon as possible…at least the thinking must be in that direction call it a new world order are whatever you like it constitutes our salvation and lowers the odds of a nuclear holocaust, pollution and waste.
    No one could be more heart-broken to see this Great American Dream crumble than I am unless it was the founding fathers who had to give up their European dreams to establish a new world.
    It is a new world with military controlled drones the size of mouths that can murder as directed, or spy on whoever they wish directed through satellites any where in the world.
    Once we accept this new state of technology as the reality we must deal with…a new world economy and a new constitution can be drawn up…It can’t however replace the truths of the ages or the morality of the golden rule so all weapons should be turned into gardening tools. If we had the discipline to do that and follow the laws of civility the world government would not be necessary.
    If we moved to a resource economy as The Venus Project suggest we must do to survive and eliminate corruption it might work – but I doubt it.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    The Truth About the Health Care Bills – Michael Connelly, Ret. Constitutional Attorney

    Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

    To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

    The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government.

    However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

    The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own.

    The irony is that the Congress doesn’t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with! I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

    This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, of all of your personal healthcare direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide…

    If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn’t work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.

    So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much, out the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law It doesn’t stop there though.

    The 9th Amendment that provides: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;

    The 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.

    I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights… Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to “be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution.” If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it, without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.

    For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source, the US Constitution, and Bill of Rights. There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.

    Michael Connelly
    Retired attorney,
    Constitutional Law Instructor
    Carrollton , Texas

    AFTER HAVING READ THIS, PLEASE FORWARD….

    If you don’t care about our constitution, or your rights under it, just do nothing.

    WE MUST HOLD CONGRESS ACCOUNTABLE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.

    • Mick for thought

      Please give me a link to read the Bill myself. I am not a lawyer but have a friend who would love to sit-down with me and read it.

  • Jerry

    Our government leaders have led us down a dark path of destruction that will end up destroying America. The Bible itself prophesies that it will happen and it will. Every prophecy of the Bible dealing with the past has always come true, and future prophecies will be no different. Its prophecies are 100% accurate. The only way that the Antichrist can gain control of the whole world as prophesied is if America either joins forces with him, or he simply overpowers us. Either way, Almighty God has had enough of our turning our backs on Him, the One who put this country together with the proper ideals of our founding fathers. He is the One who blessed this nation to begin with, and He is the One who will judge it.

    Christians are no longer the people He called them to be, the salt and light of the world. Judgment has begun upon us as a nation, and it won’t be pretty. These foolish arguments about politics mean little in the long run, they are foolishness to God. Until we fall upon our knees and REPENT as a nation, then nothing is going to save us now. No political ideals will overcome the judgment of Almighty God. The Bible tells us that judgment must first begin at the house of God, His people who are called by His name. And if it first begins with us, then it will be totally horrific for those who reject Him. So each of us better examine ourselves right now while there is still time and see where we stand, for one day (probably very soon) we all WILL stand in His presence and be judged for our deeds, every thought, every idle word. Read the Revelation if you really want to know what is coming.

    Stop blaming everyone else for your problems and take responsibility for your own actions! That means acceptance of who you really are and what you have done. Name calling isn’t going to get it done. Fall on your knees and pray for forgiveness of your sins and accept the sacrifice that God sent to die for you, His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, and He WILL forgive you. If we all would begin to do that, then we would see recovery and healing for our nation, but unfortunately that isn’t going to happen because each of us have gone our OWN way instead, and most want to keep it that way. But doing it OUR way just won’t cut it with God. It’s His way or eternal punishment, there’s is no other option.

    If I sound a little “preachy” to you, that’s because I AM a preacher. And today you are hearing the solution to the problems you all are raising. It’s really quite simple. Obama is NOT the Messiah. The Antichrist is NOT the Messiah either, but unfortunately he will be accepted as one by most of the world when he bursts upon the scene, and it will be to their destruction. When Christ returns and destroys him, and then establishes His kingdom reign on this earth for a thousand years, you will then see what a REAL government is supposed to look like. Until then, you had better seek God while He may be found my friends. The clock is ticking for America and for you to get onboard with the true Savior. Now you can’t plead ignorance on Judgment Day, for you have been warned. The rest is up to you.

    • Kim McGough

      They can not hear nor see for their eyes and ears are closed to the truth, mainly by choice, and they love to pitch hate and argue knowing that they can not win. and take pride in ideals of what they deems as right. I know that this is a fast sipraling ride to the finish and hope that these find the correct answer before it is to late. All of these things have to happen and Obama is where he is for a reason unknown by the majority of the world. It is time for a great outpouring of the Holy Spirit and without it most of the church and the rest of the world are doomed. It is not far off, so close, and yet they are so blind and do not care, and probally resent your post. But I say Thannk God for you Jerry and keep up the good work Kim

      • Jana

        Kim,
        Jerry was right in what he said.
        The problem is as Christians we have been taught to get along and not make waves. We are supposed to be ‘peacemakers’. We have been misled into what that actually means. Being a peacemaker is actually an assignment to those of us who Know Jesus as our Saviour, to introduce Jesus to others, as knowing Jesus is knowing Peace, and having peace.
        However, upon studying the Bible I find that God did not call us to be wimps. He called us to be warriors and to stand up for God, and our Christian heritage and our Christian rights and values. Not the type of warriors that Islam teaches which is violence, but spiritual warriors.
        It’s time to stand up and be counted. We have allowed our rights to be eroded, and God taken out of our counrty. Much of our Constitution includes the rules and regulations taken from the Book of Deuteronomy.
        When I saw the choices we had running for President in ’08 I knew we were in trouble, and deserved whatever we got. I just didn’t realize that we deserved this bad.
        Yes, those of us who know better do need to pray and repent.

        • Jana

          Kim, I meant to say, you and Jerry are right in what you said.

    • RicSeag

      ****YAWN*****

      ‘Obama is not the Messiah’
      ‘The Anti-christ is not the Messiah’

      Therefore????

      ****YAWN****

  • American Liberal

    Chuck.. So your definition of a ” Marxist” is Karl Marx was a Marxist?.. Lmaoooooo……very good…now answer what makes President a Marxist…. Please…I hope the answer is as funny as youre definition of a Marxist…..I bet you’ve been searching the Internet for someone with the last name of Social so you can define socialist…….

  • JeffH

    Barack Obama was born of Communist activists, mentored by Communist writer and activist, spent his college days hanging around radical activists (this from Obama’s own book), worked as a radical community organizer learning the radical tactics of Alinsky, kept contact with radicals through the years, and today lends his political skill to the international goals of radical activists, and has radicals working on for his campaign and then his administration. Oh, and he believes opposition to the aims of radical activists will fail because the radicals embody the will of God.

    It appears to me that Mr. Obama embodies the fondest dreams of radical socialist organizers over the years — that someday, a candidate with enough broad, personal appeal would rise to lead the United States away from its defense of individual liberty, and into whole-hearted support of World Socialism. It’s even plausible that Obama has trained his entire life for this role, and that he’s literally a plant from within the world of radical Marxism to help achieve their goal of world domination by removing the opposition of Marxism’s only effective enemy — the libertarian instincts of the United States.

    Barack Obama is a hard leftist. The Obama presidency will be limited by what he can accomplish politically, and that means he will not be able to establish full socialism. However, I’m fairly well convinced that that’s what he’d establish if he did not have those limits. The American public should know that they’re were asked to elect the American equivalent of Hugo Chavez to occupy the White House.

    • Mick for thought

      Strange I read both of Obama’s books and do not recall any of these radical references you point out. By the way I read McCain’s book also but Palin’s is just a bunch of whining and gave me a headache.

      • JeffH

        ..spent his college days hanging around radical activists (this from Obama’s own book).

        • Mick for thought

          I will look again. Do you have a page reference?

        • JeffH

          Obama wrote in Dreams of my father: “To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”

        • JC

          Jeff, this might be a good place to point out he was also in school in California as “Barry Soetoro” a FOREIGN exchange student.

          • Jana

            Exchange him back. PLEASE!

  • American Liberal

    I think I should send Bob Livingston , Chip Woods and John Meyers a few bucks for the laughs and entertainment some of you rightys provide….this much entertainment shouldn’t be free….you should take advantage of what capitalism we have left and make some money here…

  • psutopgun

    We are not a Democracy we are a Republic….look up the definitions. Obama has been surrounded by socialists, communists and Marxists for most of his young and adult life. He continues to draw these people into his administration. Call him what you will….I call him and his administration the biggest threat this country has faced in my life time. November is coming…we will not forget.

    • American Liberal

      Psu…..Obama has surrounded himself and I’d taking economic advise from the same people that Bush did… So how is it that now they’re socialist , Marxist and communist?… The same people…they are the same people that advised, George W. Bush, John McCain, Obama, the senate and congress…. On the bailouts….. Both republican and democrat…. And now they’ve turned into communist… You radical rightys wouldn’t know a communist if one sat on your nose..

  • chuck b

    eyes

    when did you pick up the label amer lib, i can tell the way you write who you are. weve been over this before. i don’t need google to understand what a communist is. an off spring of marx. one a control by state the other government, like barry, government control so whats that make barry?? you answer that.

    • JeffH

      chuck b, eyes was never that clever and certainly incapable of absorbing the teachings of Alinsky. Am Lib on the other hand is pretty decent at agitating and making off the wall statements, but he has yet to master the most critical of lessons. I won’t divulge what it is, but it is a very important part of Alinsky’s rules.

      • Steve

        You’re right Jeff. It’s the same as how I identify him, and as you say, it’s best not to say how or he will be able to change his stripes.

  • Joel Kruskie

    He has never served his country,…. this one, “America”, not “Kenya”. His wife has called him a Kenyan at least twice publicly. He has shown disrespect for a fallen American warrior, photos to show that. Disrespect for the pledge of allegience, and the national anthem, photos for that. Economically enslaved future generations. And nationalized several industries, not to mention mandating the purchase of a federal product. Socialist is the least of the labels I would give him!!

    • JC

      Joel, based on your entirely accurate description…I would go as far as calling him a treasonous criminal.

  • BobC

    This educated, philosophical discourse is interesting, but unnecessary.
    As Jack Webb said in “Dragnet”….”just the facts Mam”!! There are sufficient words, deeds, and actions by this administration to prove
    that their policies are destructive to our American “way of life”.
    Past Presidents have implemented eroding policies affecting our
    Republic, and capitalism BUT no one has blatantly ignored the Constitution’s restriction of Government, with so many precedents of intrusion, as has the Obama machine.
    The facts are obvious, for anyone willing to be objective. Along with the proven policy of “Divide & Conquer” where there are….”evil” insurance companies, “fat cats” wall street, “traitorous” tea baggers, “cheating” Doctors, this administration is systematically destroying America. We will be like all other countries..some form of
    socialism, fascism, communism..or Pauls globalism!!

  • chuck b

    jeffh

    it seems to me there are more than one amer lib. you can tell by the maturity of their writing, one writes like a high school (or lower) student and the other a demo’nista, anyway its entertainting, some times frustrating.

    • JeffH

      chuck b., I asked that same question of Am Lib yesterday in another post.
      No doubt there are probably several liberal hacks that work these conservative website blogs using the same names. Bob Livingston addressed that to a poster named “kimmie” a few days ago.

    • JLC

      chuck b, you may well be right. I also suspect that Am Lib writes under at least two different names. There is another, whom I won’t name because all I have is a suspicion, who not only thinks like him (I assume that it is a him) but writes like him, even to the extent that they mispell the same words in the same way.

  • chuck b
  • American Liberal

    Obama was a senator… He’s president now….so he’s served his country…if you really want to Go there I’d be happy to list a whole bunch of republicans who could be accused of not serving our country…. Obamas doing a good job concidering the disaster the Neo cons left him..

    • Joel Kruskie

      Am lib, I doubt you would find any that disrespected a fallen warrior, the flag or the anthem!! Maybe you should go to Kenya!

  • American Liberal

    Raggs… I’d be willing to bet you that president Obama will be elected to a 2nd term…. Name a few people from the right you’d like to see go aginst him?…

    • Joel Kruskie

      my next door neighbor!

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Janice, Alabama native

        You can split hairs, pretend to be erudite and sophisticated, but in the end, it all amounts to COMMUNISM! Loss of personal freedom and dictatorship by government. Even when you think you own something, if you can only do what BIG BROTHER tell you, that is not freedom. By any other name it is still COMMUNISM.

        • JeffH

          no arguement here…

        • JC

          Amen

    • JLC

      How about Ron Paul, for openers? There are others, but he heads the list.

    • JC

      How about my Labrador Retriever? He’s black and knows nothing about the economy either. ;)

      • Claire

        JC–Hey!! How about one of my German Shorthaired Pointers? They are white ticked with dark liver patches!! lol

        • Claire

          I re-read my comment and I think some people could interpret it to be rather detrimental. If so, it was not my intent. I do not believe in bashing the color of a person’s skin. I was just thinking in terms of one of my dogs being President. I apologize if I have offended anyone on this site.

          • JeffH

            Claire, not to worry. I’ll take the German Shorthair anyday…oh. I’ll claireify(lol)…not because they are Germans either.

          • JC

            Claire, I think we were both being a little sarcastic. But at least the dogs are loyal. Quite the opposite of “the One”.

          • Claire

            JC–Since you said you have a black lab and then I interjected with white ticked and dark liver patches, I thought maybe people would think “color.”
            Anyway, dogs are loyal!

      • JLC

        OOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  • skywolf23

    dunno not going to read it all but while bush had a democratic congress the last 4 years of his presidency( a fact half the voting population did not know they thought republicans owned it all). the fact is his republican congresses spent and expanded government every much as the dems would have, that bush never vetoed a spending bill the republicans sent up no matter how pork laiden or bloated it was.

    the clinton recession started the last 6 months of his presidency, or there abouts. it takes awhile for a recession to filter down, if you really want to know if a recession is coming know people in the advertising business, because the last half year of clinton’s term businesses already started cutting back ad spending, because they saw the economy slowing down back that far, and as a freelance artist working in advertising jobs got few and fewer and shorter and shorter, until it seemed there was no work to be had.

    so the bush recession 1 was the clinton recession without a doubt. after all the day bush took office it was clear we were in a economic downturn by that time evne the most dense of business gurus could see it, but all the left could do was say oh look bush gets elected and the economy tanks, yea right learn to read papers predating george bushes election thanks.

    all that said presidents have very little control over economic boons and busts. oh you can mismanage an economy into the ground for sure and you can make a recession worse, and you can do some auxerilly things like cut taxes spend a bit more etc. but the actual ebbs and flows are entirely out of the hands of everyone, you cannot have ups without downs, there is no magic beanstalk that is prosperity for all eternity and sky high employment and record tax income for as far as the eye can see it will all come down and even out and go back up and down etc.

    far as obama’s label goes, i dunno the man has surrounded himself with hard core socialists from way back to his college days. you are the person you are by the friends you keep, and who were his closest friends and confidants? almost to a man they are hard core socialists that he looked to for advice. while he might not be an out and out communist, even he is probably smart enough to see that saying i want the government to run everything, and i want to take all you have, would not fly so well.

    but what has he said? government can solve all our problems. the era of big government is back. we need to spread the wealth around.

    now what he has done. we need to spend and spend and spend in the face of ever increasing record debt. implement new massive federal programs in health care, while social security and medicare are rapidly going bankrupt. and we need to further devalue the dollar and increase inflation because we need to print money to cover our spending. we still have acorn and other big government, labor groups actually writing legislation.

    so how long will this apple cart stay sturdy enough to support its own weight before, we get true communism and the government having to take everything to cover it massive collective debt and “protect us all from ourselves”?

    • Joel Kruskie

      second amendment brother!

  • American Liberal

    And who are the Tea baggers leaders?… I’ll say this… I have a lot of respect for Ron Paul… I don’t agree with some libertarian positions and I don’t think Paul could be elected… Maybe someday his son could be, but he’s not ready….. This may suprise some of you but in 96 I voted for Libertarian Harry Brown …I voted for Clinton his first term but he was to far right for me.. That’s why I think anybodys nuts that calls him a liberal…he was more republican than democrat or liberal

    • DaveH

      No, Am Lib, it doesn’t surprise me that you would say you voted for Harry Browne. I just don’t believe you. You are about as far away from Libertarian as a person can be.
      Most people are aware that Liberals will say anything to get their way.

      • JeffH

        DaveH, AmLib wears many masks…

  • skywolf23

    clinton only went republican at the behest of dick morris, after the first two years of clinton’s white house saw his poll numbers in the toilet, scandal after scandal the debacle of hillary clinton’s behind closes doors secret health care bill that noone could understand. hillary and gore took clintion left with bad poll results.

    midterm elections kicked it off the dems got booted out handily, republicans got a majority. dick morris got the ear of the president and he told him to get anything done take the republicans domestic idea change them up a tad, and you will get stuff passed. clintion being the kind of guy that only looks at poll numbers and focus groups, never had any real political soul or belief system. to him as long as he got credit that is all that mattered to him. so yea the last 3/4 of his presidency he governed as a moderate republican, because he stole all their plans so they had to pass them and he got credit. it also got him his very high poll numbers, because when he did go left if he had stayed there he would have been a one term president period.

  • American Liberal

    Joel… Name a few things Obamas done to destroy the country…if you mention spending your wrong…the bailouts started under Bush and it’s Bushs name on the bailout bill…

    • Joel Kruskie

      OK no spending, how about nationalizing industry, jobs on the back burner, showing,SHOWING the disrespect for a fallen warrior, with photos disrespect for the anthem and pledge, mandating the purchase of a federal product. that’s just off the top of my head!

      • American Liberal

        Joel… What industry are you refering to that was nationalized?…. You not gonna try and tell me health insurance are you….. I still have mine… Cigna…so what are you talking about…the bill is for people that don’t have it and can’t afford to have…. They get sick … And when they go to the emergancy room we play for it….this will cut cost…it’s a lot more expensive to go to the EM than to see a doctor..Joel…we found 2 trillion and still counting dollars to fund Bushs disaster of a war in Iraq that has no benifit for America at all but you want to call president Obama Marxist because he wants to spend 940 billion on America… Did you know that Iraq has government healthcare?… Did you know were paying for it?…and it was due to republican policys that we bombed Iraq to the ground and now were rebuilding Iraq…. Iraqs gonna have brand new infrastructure … Our infrastructure is 30 years old and falling apart…. Thanks republicans and Neo cons…. And your complaining about healthcare for Americans?

        • JeffH

          Republicans and neo-cons….heh heh!

      • Mick for thought

        Who did he nationalize? GM, they rebounded from bankrupsy and have paid us back. Think their probation is about over and they will be a public owned company again. The banks will be back to public owned by the end of this year? What else do you have in your box of examples?

      • Mick for thought

        Who did he nationalize? GM, they rebounded from bankruptcy and have paid us back. Think their probation is about over and they will be a public owned company again. The banks will be back to public owned by the end of this year? What else do you have in your box of examples?

        • Mick for thought

          Oops I stuttered.

    • DaveH

      Okay, we won’t mention spending. When Obama took office, the National Debt was about $10 Trillion. It is now $13 Trillion. It didn’t grow $3 Trillion as a result of spending. The Tooth Fairy did it. And before you accuse the spending as being leftover from Bush (and the Democrat majority Congress), I will ask then why didn’t Obama cut back on that spending? Don’t tell me it was because he was shy, not after ramming a Healthcare Bill down our collective throats even though a large majority of the people didn’t want it.
      Spread your misinformation on a Liberal website where the people are more gullible.

    • JC

      So it was wrong undewr Bush (and it was) but it’s ok for His Hopiness to do 10 times the damage with out of control money printing?
      Your sense of reasoning is flawed beyond any level of understanding.

  • skywolf23

    obama got half of the bailout money that bush was given but never spent.

    and i would say adding a trillion dollar health care bill in the hands of the federal government. while we got a 2 to 4 trillion bailout for social security looming in the next 10 to 20 years and another trillion or few to fix medicare, where exactly is all this money going to come from? and that assuming that the health care bill does not balloon like ss and medicare did do exponentially surpass their cbo estimated spending numbers.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    HATS OFF TO CHARLIE DANIELS….AT LEAST HE HAS THE COURAGE

    TO SPEAK HIS MIND!!!

    I don’t know how everybody else feels about it, but to me I think Hispanic

    people in this country, legally or illegally, made a huge public relations

    mistake with their recent demonstrations.

    I don’t blame anybody in the world for wanting to come to the United States

    of America , as it is a truly wonderful place.

    But when the first thing you do when you set foot on American soil is illegal

    it is flat out wrong and I don’t care how many lala land left heads come out

    of the woodwork and start trying to give me sensitivity lessons.

    I don’t need sensitivity lessons, in fact I don’t have any-thing against Mexicans!

    I just have something against criminals and anybody who comes into this country illegally is a criminal and if you don’t believe it try coming into America from a

    foreign country without a passport and see how far you get. What disturbs me

    about the demonstrations is that it’s tanta-mount to saying, “I am going to come

    into your country even if it means breaking your laws and there’s nothing you

    can do about it.”.

    It’s an “in your face” action and speaking just for me, I don’t like it one little bit

    and if there were a half dozen pairs of gonads in Washington bigger than English

    peas it wouldn’t be happening.

    Where are you, you bunch of lily livered, pantywaist, forked tongued, sorry excuses

    for defenders of The Constitution? Have you been drinking the water out of the

    Potomac again? And even if you pass a bill on immigration it will probably be

    so pork laden and watered down that it won’t mean anything anyway Besides,

    what good is another law going to do when you won’t enforce the ones on the

    books now?

    And what ever happened to the polls, guys?

    I thought you folks were the quintessential finger wetters. Well you sure ain’t

    paying any attention to the polls this time because somewhere around eighty

    percent of Americans want some thing done about this mess, and mess it is

    and getting bigger everyday.

    This is no longer a problem, it is a dilemma and headed for being a tragedy.

    Do you honestly think that what happened in France with the Muslims can’t

    happen here when the businesses who hire these people finally run out of

    jobs and a few million disillusioned Hispanics take to the streets?

    If you, Mr. President, Congressmen and Senators, knuckle under on this and

    refuse to do something meaningful it means that you care nothing for the kind

    of country your children and grand-children will inherit. But I guess that doesn’t

    matter as long as you get re-elected.

    Shame on you.

    One of the big problems in America today is that if you have the nerve to say

    anything derogatory about any group of people (except Christians) you are going

    to be screamed at by the media and called a racist, a bigot and anything else they

    can think of to call you.

    Well I’ve been pounded by the media before and I’m still rockin’ and rollin’ and

    when it comes to speaking the truth I fear not.

    And the truth is that the gutless, gonadless, milksop politicians are just about to

    sell out the United States of America because they don’t have the intestinal fortitude

    to stand up to face reality.

    And reality is that we would never allow any other group of people to have 12

    million illegal in this country and turn around and say, “Oh it’s ok, ya’ll can stay

    here if you’ll just allow us to slap your wrist.”

    And I know that some of you who read this column are saying “Well what’s

    wrong with that?”

    I’ll tell you what’s wrong with it. These people could be from Mars as far as we

    know. We don’t know who they are, where they are or what they’re up to and the

    way the Congress is going we’re not going to.

    Does this make sense? Labor force you say? We already subsidize corporate agriculture as it is, must we subsidize their labor as well?

    If these people were from Haiti would we be so fast to turn a blind eye to them or

    if they were from Somalia, or Afghanistan ?

    How about the foreign Nationals who are taking over simply by Repossessing

    or buying up all the corporate and political power in these United States?

    I think not.

    All the media shows us are pictures of hard working Hispanics who have crossed

    the border just to try to better their life.

    They don’t show you pictures of the Feds rounding up members of MS 13, the

    violent gang who came across the same way the decent folks did.

    They don’t tell you about the living conditions of the Mexican illegal some fat cat

    hired to pick his crop.

    I want to make two predictions.

    No. 1: This situation is going to grow and fester until it erupts in violence on our

    streets while the wimps in Washington drag their toes in the dirt and try to figure

    how many tons of political hay they can make to the acre.

    No 2: Somebody is going to cross that border with some kind of weapon of mass destruction and set it off in a major American city after which there will be a

    backlash such as this country has never experienced and the Capitol building in Washington will probably tilt as Congressmen and Senators rush to the other side

    of the issue.

    I don’t know about you but I would love to see just one major politician stand up

    and say, “I don’t care who I make mad and I don’t care how many votes I lose, this

    is a desperate situation and I’m going to lead the fight to get it straightened out.”
    I don’t blame anybody for wanting to come to America , but if you don’t respect our immigration laws why should you respect any others?

    And by the way, this is America and our flag has stars and stripes Please get that

    other one out of my face.

    God Bless America
    Charlie Daniels

    MY COUNTRY IF IT IS YOUR COUNTRY, SPEAK UP!
    I am not against immigration – just come through like everyone else
    Get a sponsor; have a place to lay your head; have a job; pay your taxes;
    live by the rules; and
    LEARN THE LANGUAGE
    as all other immigrants have in the past and
    GOD BLESS AMERICA!

    Think about this: If you don’t want to forward this for fear of offending someone,
    YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!

    Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we continue to make

    the changes forced on us by people from other countries who came to live in America

    because it is the
    Country of Choice?

    Think about it!
    All we have to say is, when will Someone do something about
    MY RIGHTS?
    We’ve gone so far the other way, bent over backwards to not offend anyone,

    that I am now being offended. But it seems no one has a problem with that.

    “In God We Trust” is our national motto.

    This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan.

    We adopted this motto because Christian men and women – on Christian principles – founded
    this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls
    of our schools.

    It is Time for America to Speak up If you agree – pass this along; if you don’t agree – delete it

    • American Liberal

      James… You just made all that up… Those two familys are a figment of your imagination… They’re not real….the numbers you used…. You made them up…. The nice little white Christian utopia… It’s all in your head….. The rightwing white Christian world you want…. Impossible… This world has evolved beyond 1776, 1950 and Aunt Bea, Opie and goober are gone….the world has a diffrent face… It’s has diffrent religions…. It’s not gonna be ” happy Days”… Your post is nonsense ..

      • JeffH

        hmmmmmm….I’ve read those exact words before….

    • mark

      My experience with illegal Mexicans. I started a small roofing company. I used only legal citizens or legal immigrants. I could not compete with companies that used illegal immigrants. Example: my bid would be $10,000, the company using illegal immigrants would be about $7,000. I would not get the job. Example: My elderly mother would fall down, I would take her to the emergency room. She would have to wait while illegal immigrants would be taken before her. Example: I have to pay more in property taxes to educate illgal immigrant children in our public schools. I am a registered Democrate but I will vote for the candidate that stops illegal immigration and sends the illegals back to their home countries,

  • American Liberal

    can’t be terrorism…. He’s killing a lot of Al Qaeda in Pakistan …

    • JC

      And I’m sure Union Carbide appreciates it very much.

  • American Liberal

    James… So are you for giving illegals a path to becoming citizens?…

  • American Liberal

    James… Where did you make up the Motto ” in God we trust is our national motto?… It’s not…that’s the first time I’ve ever heard that… A national motto?.. Nonsense..one nation under god … Wasn’t even added to the pledge till the mid 50′s…..here’re my Motto….. God, please protect us from your followers…

    • JeffH

      Isn’t it just a little tough that no one really wants to play with you anymore? You’re like a fisherman, tossing out the bait, but the only fish biting are the minnows. Can’t make a meal out of a few minnows!

      • American Liberal

        Jeffh… What are you talking about…. I can always count on ” leg Humpers ” like you , Chuck and 41… You wait for my post like little kids wait on the sidewalk for the ice cream truck to drive by…

        • JeffH

          heh heh! Lifes a biatch and then you die!

          • JC

            AmCom sees itself as some sort of intellectual Jeff.
            Truth is AmCom, like His Hopiness is actually doing the rest of us a great service by waking America up and getting it good and mad.
            Sort of like a double agent useful idiot. LOL
            Go AmCom GO!

          • Jana

            American Lib,

            KEEP IT CLEAN!

  • American Liberal

    You rightys have watched way to much TV….especially the Scifi channel

    • JeffH

      ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

  • American Liberal

    Star… Ohhh, ok.. A shadow government… Lol…. One thing America has plenty of is ” Nutcases”…I’ve never seen so many paranoid delusional people….I think your shadow government is following you…

    • JeffH

      ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

  • American Liberal

    Jeffh…..zzzzzz… That’s the most intelligent remark you’ve made in months….I’ll take that as a sucess for me….youre improving …. Now if we can just get you Potty trained..

    • JeffH

      Whaa! Nobody will play anymore.

    • DaveH

      Okay, Am Lib, recess is over. Time to get back to your eighth grade class. What would we do without you to expose the vapid ignorance of Liberals?

      • JeffH

        denisso is still around.

      • JC

        Cheap entertainment.

        • JeffH

          well cheap anyway…

  • chuck b

    jeffh

    it gets tiresome talking to a recording, amer lib when she can’t come up with an answer the name calling starts or she changes the subject. all she can comment on is bush and the bailouts. you have to hand it to bush, after all this time the commies are still complaining. i wonder if she will ever understand that barry voted for those bailouts and continued on in to his regime. the demo’nistas in congress it seems appropriated these funds and they were in control.

    • JeffH

      chuck b, so true. I’m thankfull that I am in a position to expose these leftist hacks. Most of us realize what we say when we say it and most everyone knows how to read between the lies of the daily posters. I’ve changed my whole approach since I’ve been here and don’t mind doing a little research now and then to help some who don’t have the time to do it. Nothing is more rewarding than exposing a fraud with some facts, it just irritates the hell out of them…that’s when the name calling really starts. I don’t get upset over any of it anymore. We all can use a good laugh once in awhile and watching some of these folks outrageous comments can be entertaining. But you are totally right, it gets old quick and can be very frustrating. That’s when I step back and take a deep breath and gather myself. There’s always another day.

      • JeffH

        “lies” were meant to be lines

      • DaveH

        And I appreciate your efforts Jeff.

        • JeffH

          DaveH, I have payed attention to people like yourself and learned from some of your advice. We never get to old to learn, from anybody.

  • Paco

    I agree that most often “labels” are used to define someone whom you do not agree with, in a political or economic sense. However, to answer your question as to whether Barack Hussien Obama is a “socialist”, the answer is YES.

    An individual that believes the fortunes of certain individuals should be confiscated and then distributed to other individuals is the ultimate Socialist. Since the labor of the individual is the most basic “means of production” and the allocation of these “resources” of those who have created their fortunes by another, who uses coercion, extorsion, bribery and force to redistribute these resources, as he sees fit, is SOCIALISM.

    Barry Obama shows no respect for the Office of the President, nor does he show any respect to the American Citizens, who create the wealth of this nation. It seems as though his demonization of Wall Street, Doctors, Insurance Companies, Oil Companies, Bible toters is the striking out of a very angry man. He has no religion and is a man that will stop at nothing to get what he wants and to try to create an environment where the successful and the hard working and those who strive and push themselves up the socio-ecomomic ladder are demeaned and struck down.

    The term “Fascist” cannot yet be applied to Barry Obama, until we see what comes of his Health Care program, his Cap & Tax program and his Financial Regulation programs. His pragmatic nature may move him toward Facism where he can simply pull the strings and not get his hands dirty. He is the most divisive President I have ever seen or studied in my 58 years.

    God save us from this dictator.

    Paco

  • Raggs

    Oh come on A.M. oprah wimpy has you confused.
    Get off of the soap channels and find reality!

    The only way your master obama cares about the US is that he controls it and everyone in it.
    He is a dictator / power hungry fool of a poor excuse of a president.

  • TIME

    BarryO is a MARXIST, Can I make it any more simple.
    All his friends are Marxist, his mentors are Marxist,
    His Czars are all Marxist,
    His spiritual advisors are Marxist,

    You are whom you share your time with, who molded you
    and who advises you.

  • wolfgang unger

    I grew up to defend the fatherland,then the motherland,and now the homeland.To hell with imperialism.
    And socialism works very well,at least for bankers and billionaires,and politicians.
    thank you very much

  • skywolf23

    socialism also works great for the military since they hold all the guns, unless your suicidal.

    also works great for the ruling class ask kimmy of n korea that smokes cubans, drinks american whiskey and eats good food while the commoners starve.

  • American Liberal

    Paco… Obamas ” demonized ” Wallstreet?….so you think selling” shitty Deal” to investors that Goldman sachs knew were losers for the buyer is ok?… You are the problem…. No wonder you hate the president…. Those companys you say Obama demonized committed fraud….if they’re demonized , they demonized themselves………. How you rightwingers defend the people screwing you just amazes the Hell out of me……..I guess this is where we get the idea that you just aren’t very bright….it’s ok to blow up Iraq , then rebuild it and give them healthcare and modern infrastructure while our infrastructure hasn’t been updated in decades….. But if Obama spends 940 billion on America he’s a Marxist …. You are damaged..

    • DaveH

      Taking financial resources from the producers to give to the non-producers, or even worse to give to the negatively productive (Government workers) will only result in the degradation of the economy.
      The world is riddled with the bodies of Countries who bought into the Siren Song of Big Government. It works only for those fortunate few who are in the position of leadership that allows them to ride freely on the backs of others.
      And for somebody to tout the virtues of Big Government, especially to those who have a clue about economics, is beyond Ignorant.
      To call you Ignorant, American Liberal, is an insult to ignorant people.

      • JC

        Not to mention that the entirely corrupt system we live under played along at the time. And were’nt they all surprised when it actually blew up on them…

  • American Liberal

    Joel…GM was not nationalized…… And they’ve paid back the ” loan” with interest…..consumer spending is way up…. New housing up… Jobs being created…good news…

    • JeffH

      ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ-ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

      • JeffH

        Obama is still a cornucopia if radicalism! Marxist/socialist/communist

    • TIME

      Dude – GM paid us back with our money.
      So hows that paying us back with interest, its no differant than I lend you $100.00 you put it in your back pocket, then move it to your front pocket and then you stop by and give me $1.10 and tell me you paid me back early with interest. The loan is still $98.90 short.

      If someone brought me this GM deal as a business deal I would have told them flat out NO Thanks, goodby and good luck.

      I don’t care what the media tells you get out more – the country is falling apart all over, the bloody stock market is in a total free fall.
      Employers are NOT hiring anyone that makes more than $20K per year and most are looking at Part Time people if at all.

      I have seen more business’s die in the last 18 months then ever in my life, even after the 1987 crash – it was nowhere near this bad.
      We are and have been in a depression, as a matter of fact its worse than the Great one we all read about.

      • Right Wing

        Time, don’t expect a reply. Your simple math probably caused a short circuit.

        • TIME

          I try to keep it simple. What else can we do.

          As I have stated before I am not the smartest guy in the world but being a business person who has been self employed for nearly 40 years now, I know good from bad.

          If I made as many bad turns as we see come of out the DC belt way, I would be living in a camp in the woods under a bridge.

    • DaveH

      American Liberal,
      You really are clueless aren’t you? Most of the Government bailout of GM was through Stock Purchases. Only 13% of the bailout was an actual loan, and that at a 7% interest rate (pretty cheap for what amounted to junk bonds). The rest of the bailout was through stock purchases which the taxpayer is still stuck with.
      Read this if you want to get a clue. Or, of course, you could just continue with your ignorant Liberal name-calling, ridicule, and condescension:
      http://reason.org/news/show/gm-phony-bailout-payback

      • DaveH

        What gets me is how the Government ignores GM’s blatantly false Advertisements. If it were any private company that was not in bed with the Obama administration, Government would have been all over them for such falsehoods. This is Crony-Capitalism at its best. But the Liberals ignore the hypocricy because it comes from their Hero, Obama.

    • Mick for thought

      I am noticing when people say things that make sense in this conversation it either stimulates poor jokes or no comment at all. I also notice when pointed questions are asked they are either ignored and or replaced with the equivalent of “I know you are but what am I.” Everyone please check your history before making your ignorance public.

      • JeffH

        Mick for thought, I’ve noticed that you seem to have a high regard for yourself and your liberal buddies also. Just an observation.

      • DaveH

        And I have noticed, Mick, that you say little of substance. Mostly you repeat the tired old left-wing mantra of Big Government as savior.

      • DaveH

        And, Mick, when Liberals make their usual unsupported, factless statements repeatedly, do you really expect us to address their every comment? Maybe you could do your homework, instead of getting your answers from the MSM Liberals, and rebutt them for us.

        • DaveH

          Here are some good websites, Mick, if you really do fancy yourself as a scholar, that you can read and get some truth:
          cato.org
          reason.org
          mises.org

          • rjg

            Interesting web sites every one.

            But lets be honest the “Tea Party” movement is more about hating all things “Liberal” than it is about “Liberty” or libertarian philosophy.

          • JeffH

            rjg, you’ve been very clear on where you stand with your politics, although you have thrown a very thin veil over it. You’re opinion that the Tea Party is based on “hate” clearly defines who and what you are. I’ll not invite you over for coffee anytime soon.

          • rjg

            JeffH

            I seem to remember Ron Paul in the last Republican debate stating libertarian views, and he was a very lonely man. There were no Tea Parties and he got very little support from the conservatives. Do you remember the backlash he took from talk radio when he stated that the US should pull out of the middle east.

          • rjg

            JeffH

            Ok maybe “hate” was a bit of a strong word. I’m just not sure I buy the fact that most Tea Part people on this site are Libertarian.

          • JeffH

            rjg, I think you are a bit confused about libertarians being members of Tea Party groups. If I may, have you been to a Tea Party event or met any Tea Party participants other than through the media? You might find out that they’re just good everyday folks concerned about the direction this great country is headed. They believe in the country our forefathers founded.
            How did you equate the idea of a libertarian connection to the Tea Party anyway?

          • rjg

            I got the idea from the links that were in the post I was responding to.

          • DaveH

            Actually RJG, Ron Paul won the most straw poll votes in 2008:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:John_J._Bulten/Straw_polls_for_the_Republican_Party_2008_presidential_nomination#Total_wins

            The Right Wingers are almost as afraid of Ron Paul as are the Left Wingers. So, with an uninformed voter base, it is not hard for them to gang up on Libertarian thinkers and suppress their ideas.

          • DaveH
          • rjg

            Thanks DaveH

            Those are really interesting stats. I am pleasantly surprised. I will have to read more. I am still not convinced that the conservative base is in any way libertarian as I do remember Ron Paul being blackballed by the conservative pundits and the other republican candidates after his statements against the Iraq War.

      • rjg

        I have noticed the same thing.

        I think some people have a heavy emotional investment in their ideologies(be it right or left) that will not let them compromise or admit that the other side has some merit.

        • DaveH

          I admit that Jimmy Carter did a good thing when he deregulated airlines and their prices subsequently plummeted to the point where ordinary people could afford to fly. I am amazed. Where did that come from? I guess even Liberals come to their senses once in a while.

          • rjg

            The internet wasn’t too bad a contribution either ;)

          • DaveH

            I will assume that you are joking. But in case you’re not, Al Gore did not really invent the Internet. He did invent Global Warming though (that’s a joke).
            http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_invented_the_Internet

        • rjg

          I wasn’t referring to Al Gore , lol.

          I was referring to the vast amount of government and university research (I would presume you would refer to these as “Liberal” institutions) that made this possible.

      • Steve

        Mick for thought says:
        May 7, 2010 at 5:30 pm

        I am noticing when people say things that make sense in this conversation, blah, blah, blah……..
        ………………………………………………………………………………………………
        Make sense to who Mick? YOU? If you want total agreement with your liberal opinions try posting at the daily kos. Other than the un-American liberal, and the plethora of aliases he uses, you won’t experience any butt kissing for you and your socialist ideals here. Did you really expect anything different?
        Crybabies need only click the red X at the top right ;-)

    • JC

      Paid it back, except for the 60% the government owns…permanently.

    • angel-wanna-be

      AM LIB, GM paid the loan back with, another credit line, from TARP, read your homework!__It’s just Like using one credit card, to pay off another. Quite honestly LIb, I belive you throw out this rhetoric into conservative forums, simply to find information.

  • JeffH

    General Motors CEO Ed Whitacre has bragged in TV commercials and newspaper columns that GM has paid back its bailout “in full and ahead of schedule.”

    As with the Pontiac Aztek, an ugly exterior masks an ever darker problem: Whitacre is being fanciful to the point of deceit. GM received $50 billion in TARP funds (never mind that TARP was only supposed to cover financial institutions). About $7 billion of that came in the form of a straight-up, low-interest loan. And about $13 billion came in the form of an escrow account.

    So how has GM, which lost $38 billion in 2007 even as it sold 9.4 million cars, paid back its debt? It took money from the escrow account to pay back the $6.7 billion loan.

    Do you remember when you were a kid and your parents gave you $20 to buy them a Christmas present? You bought them something worth $3 and pocketed the rest? That’s what GM has just done.

    Oh, and do you remember when you hit your parents up for college? GM has applied for a $10 billion, low-interest loan from the government to modernize its plants so its cars will meet new federal mileage standards.

    If you think all this constitutes paying back their debt in full and ahead of schedule, you might want to check out the new line of GM cars. And hope that the company’s safety engineers are better at math than their CEO.

  • http://gmail i41

    Hey nano nut Lib, do you have a job yet? Your welfare and food stamps should be at your mama’s mud hut. Why is Omoron a communist marxist,he has appointed several radical socialist, communist, democrat, terrorists, These vapor brain dead midgets have never done anything in life except, try and destroy and tear down the USA and apoligize for USA greatness as Omoron does. All are avowed socialists communist terrorists, Omoron was not a community organizer, but a druggie and a community agitator, since he really isn’t black. he screwed his supposely own people. All he wanted was to get a name. With all of his travels and moving around, the SOB was being bankrolled by tax money of ours. He is a muslim through and through. Look at his school records in Indonesia, when his dam enrolled him in school,and hook up with another muslim. she must have been into pain, because muslim males beat the hell out of their women. Also Omoron just sigbed an executive order, for 20.3 million dollars, to bring another group of muslim deranged terrrists to the USA to live, breed, and feed on our taxpayers money. It is Palistine Hamas and the rest of camel pounders from over in sqirrel land. I called my Congress person to find out about HB1388, Congress didn’t vote on it and since it is a executive order it isn’t published yet, surprised. Need and want more facts, you numnutted liberals. He wants total control. His overpaid czars answer to no one but the muslim anti-USA clown, worshipped by all dems, who would drink his bath water, if given the chance. Lib, if you check the help wanted pages, there is several septic tank suckers wanted in every paper, but you wll have to provide the vacum force system. Dems and skunks have more in common than most people realize, they all look clean, don’t do much, but stink up everything they touch or get near.

    • rjg

      Its quite rare to witness such a shameless outburst of anger,ignorance and insecurity. You live in the wealthiest country in the world maybe you should count your blessings.

      “Please don’t stoop to name calling.”
      Bob’s words not mine.

    • Claire

      i41–I am not standing up for Obama or any other politician because I believe they have destroyed much that they have touched. All of them. They are all guilty in one way or another.

  • JeffH

    Friday, April 23, 2010
    The GM Loan Payback is a Fraud.
    With great fanfare yesterday GM announced that it is paying back the loans it was given by the people of the United States (via the Federal Government) years prior to the scheduled date.

    It must have been a miracle, maybe they found a hundred billion or so behind the back seat of a 1980 Impala that was being destroyed in the cash for clunkers program…or something like that.

    Yes they did pay the Government back, but they did it with moneys gotten from the TARP program. In other words, they paid us back with OUR money

    Yesterday, the special watchdog on the Wall Street Bailout, Neil Barofsky, was testifying before the Senate and was asked several times about the GM repayment by Sen. Tom Carper (D-DE). Carper wanted to know if we made a profit o the loans.

    “It’s good news in that they’re reducing their debt,” Barofsky said of the accelerated GM payments, “but they’re doing it by taking other available TARP money.”
    “It sounds like it’s kind of like taking money out of one pocket and putting in the other,” said Carper, who got a nod of agreement from Barofsky.

    “The way that payment is going to be made. is by drawing down on an equity facility of other TARP money.” Barofsky said.

    Which in plain English means,taking money out of one pocket and putting in the other. In other words, I can’t be over-drawn, I still have checks left.
    http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2010/04/they-gm-loan-payback-is-fraud.html

    Obama is still a Marxist/socialist/communist.

  • chuck b

    amer lib

    which amer lib am i answering to now, you are all practically the same, dumbed down by the weed and educated in the public schools. marxism is the answer to all your problems, spread the wealth, barry spends 940.00 billion on america lmao!!!you mean that gigantic tax bill he calls a health care bill, you demo’nistas are what you are!! and your mad because you didn’t get single payer thru. thats a good one, you want to stand in line for half a year to see a specialist! oh! people don’t stand in line in canada do they? some more demo’nista propaganda. and wasn’t that frank and dodd that advised fannie mae and freddie mac were in great shape a week before they went down. you talk about corruption. employment is up yet the un-employed figure went up for april, explain that equation to me, oh, i guess you were listening to abc harpies spewing out the propaganda this morning.and the number of people looking for work went up, now explain to me where that figure came from. i can understand your logic, but, for me, no thanks.

  • JeffH

    The Text of Grassley’s letter follows

    April 22, 2010
    Via Electronic Transmission
    The Honorable Timothy F. Geithner
    Secretary
    U.S. Department of the Treasury
    1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
    Washington, DC 20220

    Dear Secretary Geithner:
    General Motors (GM) yesterday announced that it repaid its TARP loans. I am concerned, however, that this announcement is not what it seems. In fact, it appears to be nothing more than an elaborate TARP money shuffle.

    The bottom line seems to be that the TARP loans were “repaid” with other TARP funds in a Treasury escrow account. The TARP loans were not repaid from money GM is earning selling cars, as GM and the Administration have claimed in their speeches, press releases and television commercials. When these criticisms were put to GM’s Vice Chairman Stephen Girsky in a television interview yesterday, he admitted that the criticisms were valid:
    Question: Are you just paying the government back with government money?

  • Rod

    No More excuses! Every breath Obama takes,every step he takes, every
    appointment he makes, every executive order he signs every waking
    moment of his day is designed to destroy this great nation of ours.
    Palosi and Reid are right beside him every moment of every day. They have ignored the wishes of the American people! Now you tell me, is Obama a Socialist? HELL YES!

    • denniso

      You lose any credibility when you spout like a lunnatic and fool.

      • JeffH

        Another nice comment from denisso.

      • Steve

        There you go again dumbiso, speaking of “credibility”, something you’ve never had, and never will, a word you know nothing about!
        Now lunatics and fools, that would be your forte` being as you’ve had so much experience!

    • JC

      Don’t forget Reid and Napolitano.

  • JeffH

    June 2, 2008
    Obama’s Radical-Left Ties Broad And Deep
    National Review Online: Senator Approves Of The Political-Theological Outlooks Of Michael Pfleger and Jeremiah Wright

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/02/opinion/main4145761.shtml

  • Save America Susie

    CHIP…After all is said an done, the bottom line is that our Government DOES own and manage some businesses. You may want to call it “Corporatism” because the Government also controls them, but it is a FORM of Socialism. Government should have NO control over the running of businesses. For BO to step in and intervene in GM was a breach of power. He should never have done that. GM should have been allowed to fail, and then learn to regroup. No one has any right to come in and tell someone how to run a business they had nothing to do with creating nor contributed to in any way.

    As for Sarah Palin, there is No WAY she is a socialist. The National Director of the “SD of A” needs to only read her Facebook comments to see that isn’t so. Talk about out of touch.

  • Terrie McCormack

    I believe that Obama is a bonofide communist. He wants complete control of everything. He was raised a marxist, went to a marxist church, hung with marxist radicals in college, and he even taught marxism. I would say by the policies he is pushing that he indeed, is a marxist. Check out Pivens & Cloward on the internet. Obama goes by their theory and you can also see his strategies in Saul Alinksky’s, “Rules for Radicals”. I have not seen or read anything about Obama that gives me any good feeling.

    • denniso

      Terrie…that’s amazing! I likewise don’t see anything about you that gives me a good feeling.

    • TIME

      Terrie,
      Don’t mind denniso, he has a disorder that allows both his feet to fit in his mouth at the same time.

      This is called the empty barrel syndrome, its done by first insert feet in mouth, then bang chest hard and scream in dulcet scratchy tones.

  • Allan

    I think the important distinction between the isms and the progressive movement is personal responsibility. Progressivism seems to be a blend of environmentalism (with “mother earth” as the deity), and hedonism. Government control is venerated in order to get more enttitlement and satisfy the psychological desire to impose “fairness” on others. The government needed for this is a “toll bridge” that will gladly help neutralize value systems such as religion and the Constitution. Diluting the consequences of anti-social behavior is called social justice. Most know at some level that extreme envirnmentalism is impractical and likely to destroy economies, i.e. cap and trade. That, however, is seen as something positive by progressives. Humbling the U.S. in every way, raising the cost of energy, neutering corporations, doing away with borders, and developing a union constituency whose best interests are served by these policies, move toward the new order. Along with the
    environmental-based order come “fairness”, entitlement, and a faux value system that allows the anti-personal responsibility fans to feel good about themselves. The concept of diversity is nothing more than a temporary device to neutralize America. Groups that seem to be helped by this will later lose their identity and importance. The word “environment” in the term environnmental order extends to how you live at home, at work, and outdoors. It’s a self-sustaining ecosystem that doesn’t need the old, outdated values, and ultimately must sacrifice the concept of personal liberty to the greater good. Conservatives are hated primarily because they believe in personal liberty and personal responsibility, both standing in the way of the new order.

    • denniso

      If you actually believe what you wrote then you’re too clueless to try
      to correct your totally absurd perceptions.

      • JeffH

        Just your usual nothing contribution…pretty simple to just say everyone is clueless that you don’t agree with.

        • rjg

          Um Ya JeffH

          Your exact words to me on May 5

          “rjg, you really don’t have a clue about Bob’s comment to Kimmie do you?
          You’ll have to figure it out for yourself.”

          • JeffH

            rjg, and your point is???

          • JeffH

            Oh, by the way…you were totally clueless about the meaning of Bob’s comments. That was my point.

          • rjg

            JeffH

            Well I suppose that was dennisio’s point as well.
            Why do you hold him to a higher standard than you hold yourself?

            You are hard headed ideologue my friend.

          • Claire

            rjg–If JeffH is a hardheaded ideologue, then I guess I am too, as well as many others. We are all hardheaded about what we believe. You could be referred to as being hardheaded yourself. We all have our own ideas and beliefs. And all of us have the right to express our opinions and our beliefs.

          • JeffH

            rjg, this disagreement can be easily settled. Please explain to me , first, what your understanding was of Bob’s comment to Kimmie and then explain your comment back to Bob Livingston. I’d appreciate that.

            Claire, Thank you.

          • rjg

            Hi JeffH

            I don’t remember his exact words but Bob called out Kimmie for posting tripe, being childish and name calling. If you go back and read either of my posts on the subject you will find that I agreed with Bob and I believe that he was justified in doing so. My point was that I have seen several of these posts from Bob calling out people who he disagrees with but never anyone from the opposite political spectrum. One only needs to read i41′s posts to know that the “liberal” leaning posters have no monopoly on name calling and tripe.

          • JeffH

            rjg, Bob’s point was making was that there are people on this site posting with mulriple names, spouting the same rhetoric and making zero contributions. More than likely they are “trolls” paid to disrupt conservative sites such as Personal Liberty Digest for leftist controlled groups. This has been a constant problem recently and I take extreme pleasure in exposing a few of them
            The point of my comment was that you did not understand the intent of Bob’s comment and you haven’t been around this site long enough or you haven’t paid any attention to the influx of negative posters whose rhetoric sounds almost “written” as posted.

          • JeffH

            rjg you are 100% correct about the tripe, name calling by some of others with different views. The history of this goes way back. As a moderator,Bob has the ability to see the email addresses of every poster, so he would be privy to catch those who attempt to deceive.

            He’s only addressed the problem recently, but recently that very problem has become a more prevalent one. After all, this is a conservative website and quite tame when compared to the liberal websites I’ve been on.

          • JeffH

            In regards to denisso, he/she has been consistantly name calling and belittling everybody that doesn’t suscribe to her anti-corporate, bleeding heart, share everybody elses wealth mentality and most often rarely offers anything more than ridicule. He/she isn’t the only one and in his/her case, you reap what you sow.

          • JeffH

            rjg, sorry to be longwinded, but you’ll notice that almost no one is offering any moral support to I41 for his comments. That doesn’t mean that some of what he says isn’t agreeable, it’s the disagreeable parts that don’t get the support.

          • rjg

            Thanks JeffH

            I am new to this site so maybe i didn’t completely understand what Bob was getting at. And it is nice to see that certain posters are not receiving moral support.

          • JeffH

            rjg, I’ve been here for about a year+ now. I’ve had my moments like many others, neme calling etc, but there are a few “liberal regulars” that prefer to make their attacks very personal with a hatefull, hurtfull intent. They’ll take some of the shared personal information, put their own twist on it and then go into a backstabbing, hate driven attack. Those things go way beyond the general insults and namecalling. I know firsthand, but I also know what the truth of the matter is and refuse to play the game with them.
            Is it frustrating? Yeah! I’ve taken those attacks and basically turned the tables around on them. I find them most amusing now. A mans gotta do what a mans gotta do.

          • libertytrain

            rjg – you’ve missed a lot if you are fairly new here. Bob has done the same with the rightist posters’ who have gotten past the point of out-of-line as well.

  • Dora

    Everybody needs to get it in their head that we are NOT a democracy but a REPUBLIC – IF we can keep it! We have had the word democracy crammed down our throats for the last 40 years and everybody is believing that is what the US is supposed to be.

    • Mick for thought

      As I reviewed the definitions below I believe America would be best defined as a democratic republic.

      Democracy is a political government carried out either directly by the people (direct democracy) or by means of elected representatives of the people (representative democracy). The term comes from the Greek: δημοκρατία – (dēmokratía) “rule of the people”,[1] which was coined from δῆμος (dêmos) “people” and κράτος (krátos) “power”, in the middle of the fifth-fourth century BC to denote the political systems then existing in some Greek city-states, notably Athens following a popular uprising in 508 BC.[2] Even though there is no specific, universally accepted definition of ‘democracy’,[3] there are two principles that any definition of democracy includes: equality and freedom.[4][dubious – discuss] These principles are reflected in all citizens being equal before the law and having equal access to power.[5] and the freedom of its citizens is secured by legitimized rights and liberties which are generally protected by a constitution.[6][7]
      A republic government is a type of government where the citizens choose the leaders of their country [1] and the people (or at least a part of its people)[2] have an impact on its government.[3][4] The word “republic” is derived from the Latin phrase res publica, which can be translated as “a public affair”.
      Both modern and ancient republics vary widely in their ideology and composition. The most common definition of a republic is a state without a monarch.[5] In republics such as the United States and France the executive is legitimated both by a constitution and by popular suffrage. In the United States, James Madison defined republic in terms of representative democracy as opposed to direct democracy[6], and this usage is still employed by many viewing themselves as “republicans”.[

      • JC

        Democracy: The illusion that you have a voice….you don’t. You have owners.

      • RicSeag

        We have a Constitutional Republic with Democratically-elected representation. Through this order of governance, the law is supreme in order to protect us from the tyranny of the majority, while allowing laws to change based on the nation’s contemporary needs.

        Minority rights are supported by law. This is where we get into trouble in this country – and why it will not change…..unless we cannot keep the governance given to use by the Founders.

  • rjg

    I don’t know why you would call your president names but more importantly was Obama in the Congress when the Iraq war was approved?
    I was under the impression that he wasn’t but I’m a Canadian so I could be wrong.

    • Mick for thought

      No he was not and he came out as a local state representative against it.

      • rjg

        Thanks Mick

        Thats what I thought.

  • chuck b

    mick for thought

    barry is a non partisan?? are you for real. give this so called president a chance!!omg! whataya smokin?? he has embarrassed our nation throughout the world, run up record deficits, bought gen. motors for the uaw. 17 million people un-employed,(oh gw did that, huh) passed a health care bill behind closed doors and had no idea what was in it. i could go on, but, i’ll give you time to blame all this on gw who was controlled by a demo’nista congress for his last two years who managed to do what you blame bush for. barry’s presidency is starting to bloom, yeah, un-employment went up last month regardless off what barry was bragging about today, he said employment rose by 290,000, yet un-employment is back to 9.9%. he ridiculed the fed law in arizona, he had no idea what the law read. kind of reminds you of the policeman he accused of roughing up that marxist professor huh. well you wait for the bloom i’m sure it will be something to see.

  • American Patriot and Citizen Soldier

    Sarah Palin a Socialist? No, I would consider her the president of the National Airhead Committee.

    • Hmmm?

      So the un-American Liberal is using a new name to post under. What’s the matter? That “American Liberal” name wasn’t working out for you? You use a dozen different names on here, but your rhetoric remains the same. Fools like you that dump dirt on Sarah are liberals, socialists, progressives, communists, marxists, fascists, and NOT PATRIOTS OR AMERICANS! Get a freakin clue you moron.

      • JeffH

        Hmmm? good catch…a liberal by any other name is still just a liberal.

  • http://gmail i41

    denniso, are you lib, or his sister, or just a (word removed)loon, nobody has any feelings for you or your liberal idoits. The hairless muslim (word removed) in the white house fits the blueprint of a socialist dictator.Nobody has ever appointed for his inner circle such a group of avowed communist radical thugs. When dems say he isn’t a muslim, hold on a second, Omoron, Lefty Wright, and Calipso Louie Farkacong flew aroung together and talk and did things in public that would get the white supremacy groups jailed, but hold on for a second, they are black muslims. It is a fact,I would say democrats have higher percentage of being neanderthal blood lines, they live in caves and stay in secure saftey zones, keep doing the same damn thing over and over, even it always fails and gett a lot of their bloodline killed off. Only thing was, they were the first french chefs and had the procivity to steal some else’s kill and were always looking for a way to screw somebody. We know barry is a thowback to the dark side, never has worked at anything,even a lemonade stand, well I guess he operated a drug dealing business and paid no taxes, as all dems do. The first time this nation , this late in the season,isn’t really getting busy with construction and road building, stimulas is really working good for his good buddies and Wall Street clowns,every one is sitting around not firing up equipment because the dems insist er keep his muslim dictator relatives in plenty of cash, and contractor might get taxed to oblivian, because of an imaginary carbon BS footprint. Omoron spends more damn fuel dorking around and golfing, than figuring out how his plans are screwing up the USA, which his what the knot headed dems and his simple minded sewer drinkers love. All of us will get paid the same and everyone can just have pipe dream theories to live on.Real unemployment is still at 17-20%, while bringing in more muslim unemployed terrorists from the Hamas and other rejects from Palistine, over here on your dime. I noticed dennesio missed some real important facts what the hairless (word removed) did with his latest exect. order that costs over 20 million. Smart move dumb ass! Congress sat on their heads and didn’t even make a peep. Bunch of chicken (word removed)material duds.

    • denniso

      You addressed me in your comment but it’s clearly pointless to read your pap, so I don’t know and don’t care what you may be trying to say,in your feeble way.

  • Dougas K.

    The entire mess that our country is in has been brought about by one thing and one thing only; deficit spending. Anytime that anyone, private citizen, business or government begins the practice of spending money that he/she or it does not have, that person, business or government is financially doomed. When the government of this nation took America off the gold standard, relinquished it’s constitutional duty to oversee the printing of money by creating a completely autonomous “federal reserve” and established the legalized theft of stealing a protion of the income of private citizens under what the thieves called “income tax” our nation began traveling down the wrong road.

  • Mike Soaring Eagle

    This past year an-a-half Obama has shown me that he has his own agenda. He is pathetic, egotistical and has no clue to the needs of the American people. His has tendencies to that of a socialist ruler not an American President.

  • Save America Susie

    Oops! Michelle’s Mistake…No wonder we rarely hear from her.
    Check this out before it is removed from YOUTUBE:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M7Rp_Ghv6k

    (Be sure you use an underline between the p and G or it will not be the same link. Upper or lower case letters matter too. It must be exact.)

    Barack’s “Home Country” is WHERE?
    Check it out.

    • Save America Susie

      You can also just click here on the blue link. It checks out OK now.

  • JPW-

    President Obama’s policies are starting to show their effectiveness now on our economy, with the latest job numbers showing a dramatic increase not includind the census workers. Jobs have improved in all sectors.Our country has been saved from a depression,people around the world have more respect for America,health insurance for thousands more Americans,nuclear arms treaties, and Wall Street reform coming soon if he can get more senate cooperation.Mr. Obama’s popularity in the polls has gone back over 50% so America is paying attention.More has been done in the past year and a half than most or any president has done in eight years in office.

    • JeffH

      JPW- you’re certainly a hoot! Thought you might need an update…

      Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
      Saturday, May 08, 2010

      The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 27% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -14 (dropped another poin since May, 07, 2010)

      Overall, 46% of voters say they at least SOMEWHAT approve of the president’s performance. Fifty-three percent (53%) disapprove. The level of overall approval has remained remarkably stable for months

  • chuck b

    jpw

    get real, the job numbers show an improvement? how do you eguate that?
    the un-employment figure went up to 9.9. actual figure is 17 million. so how in this equation do you or barry get an improvement. the best one put out by barry and the media: “things are looking up more people are out looking for work.” ??? if you believe he has built our reputation up around the world, you must be dreaming. health insurance, you mean more and bigger tax’s, insuring millions of illegals is an improvement ( this is at your expense). he has destroyed our health care system. if you buy into the pollsters then i have a few things you might be interested in buying. yes he has done more than any other president in a year and half, all detrimental to the country, not one good thing.

  • JeffH

    Here again is some important information to be shared about Obama’s radical past with “The New Party”.

    Obama Sought Endorsement of Marxist Third Party in 1996
    Obama actively sought and received the stamp of approval of a Marxist third party that operated briefly in Chicago between 1992 and 1998. The group was called the “New Party” and was started in 1992 by Daniel Cantor (a former staffer for Jesse Jackson’s 1988 presidential campaign) and Joel Rogers (a sociology and law professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison).

    The New Party was a Marxist political coalition whose objective was to endorse and elect leftist public officials — most often Democrats. The New Party’s short-term objective was to move the Democratic Party leftward, thereby setting the stage for the eventual rise of new Marxist third party.

    Most New Party members hailed from the Democratic Socialists of America and the militant organization ACORN. The party’s Chicago chapter also included a large contingent from the Committees of Correspondence, a Marxist coalition of former Maoists, Trotskyists, and Communist Party USA members.

    This news pretty much confirms that Barack Obama is at the very least a neo-Marxist and also confirms the claim that he is one of the most far left leaning Senators we have in office today.

    This man is no “new” politician, no “centrist,” and not interested in ever “reaching across the aisle.” This whole “new way” line of bunkum is all smoke a mirrors.

    http://archive.redstate.com/blogs/warner_todd_huston/2008/may/29/obama_sought_endorsement_of_marxist_third_party_in_1996

    • rjg

      In 2 1/2 years you will get your vote. Assumming you are an American Citizen of legal voting age.

      • JeffH

        My voting starts with the 2010 primaries here in California.

    • RicSeag

      ****Yawn****

      Like a B-movie that never gets destroyed…..

  • http://gmail i41

    rjg, hope that we may get to vote, just like Greese, that we are bailing out with our borrowed money? The hemaroid brain Congress will do anything Omoron wants, healthcare, a prime example. I’m surprised Lib isn’t trying to disagree Omoron isn’t a marxist socialist! Maybe his mama has him out for a walk on a leach.
    all democrats cann’t argue that they voted and supported a marxist thugs fron Chicago. Next on the socialist agenda is cap and trade and/or illegal amensty, and manditory electric cars and green energy hoax, when there is nothing to plug into but pipedreames. Really shut the USA down, or a cap for the marxist dream.

  • JPW-

    Jeffh;Well I have been voting over forty years now not just starting so I can see how you can be so misinformed.Yesterday with all the bailouts was like taking medicine you did’nt like but it just may be the cure. Be openminded wake up and smell the coffee.

    • JeffH

      JPW- go peddle your wares to someone less informed. I worked for 25 years in the coffee business and understand the differances between good coffee and bad coffe. I just don’t care for cheap radical roasts like robusta also known as fillers, I prefer the good clean mild roast of the more complete conservative arabica.

    • JLC

      JPW — Forty years or more does not necessarily make one a pundit. I have been voting for more than 60 years and have been, as they used to say, “Up the river and over the mountain.” I have cast more than one vote that, if I had it to do over, I would go the other direction. I am sure that any HONEST person out there will say the same thing!

  • rjg

    RE:
    “the most socialistic candidate in the 2008 election was Sarah Palin.” (Don’t ask me what he’s been smoking.)

    Maybe he was talking about the fact that she Governed Alaska, a “have not” state that receives more money from the federal Governemnt than it contributes.

    Or maybe he was talking about the fact that she increased oil royalties and subsequently increased Government payouts to individual Alaskans( hmm redistributing the wealth, just spreading it around)?

    Or maybe he just took her at her own words.
    “In Alaska we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth.”
    - Sarah Palin

  • chuck b

    rjg

    what is it with you canadians that our politics interest you so much?
    and just what makes you and your country so pious. you couldn’t even defend you country if it became necessary. and why does sarah palin get your ire up. i don’t know where all the derogatory info on palin came from, possibly demo talking points, the communist usa press. sarah did a great job for alaska and will be our next president in 2012.

    • JeffH

      chuck b, we’re all steadfast in our beliefs to keep the USA a free constitutional republic. The canuks can’t all be expected to understand us, afterall they are governed as a parliamentary democracy and a constitutional monarchy, not an absolute monarchy.
      There are many ever present influences of Europe throughout Canada as well as some US influences. Essentially, they just dance to a differant drum beat than we do.

      • JC

        Jeff, all of my in-laws are Canadian and live in the west (Alberta).
        Let me tell you Canada is easily as divided as the US. Same regional differences almost to a tee. Alberta is just north of Montana and shares western values with MT. UT. ID. TX and AZ etc. Ontario, just north of New York shares those values. Ergo the east and the west up north disagree just like we do. In fact I think Alberta should be a state! ;), but I doubt many there would agree…they see us on the news.

        • JeffH

          JC, I do hope to hit Canada before I’m finished in this world for some of that world class waterfowling in either Alberta or Saskatchewan. Beautiful country but I’m not ready to move there.
          Thanks for the insight.

          • JC

            Put it on your bucket list. Alberta is one of the most beautiful places in the world.

        • Claire

          JC– Your last sentence “they see us on the news” speaks volumes. I have many friends in Canada and most of them think Americans have gone “over the top.” I will have to add a number of them do like Obama. So, go figure. Different strokes for different folks.

          • JC

            Well I think they know that as America goes, Canada soon follows.
            The conservatives up north are growing and getting louder, just like here. But there is no shortage of liberals either.
            Sadly the lap dog media is just as bad there as it is here.

    • rjg

      On the contrary I think the USA is a great country.

      How does pointing out some inconsistencies make me pious. I do not believe canada is better nor have I ever stated as much.
      Finally when push comes to shove history has shown we do ok defending our country.

      If you find what I said deragatory then I’m not sure what to tell you…………..

      Info on federal tax transfers can be found here.
      http://taxfoundation.org/

      The royalty info can be found here
      http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aYdZoyTvFrTc&refer=home

      Neither of these organizations has a democrat/communist bias.

      The quote was from an interview done by “Philip Gourevitch” of the New Yorker

      You are free to deny any of it.

  • Save America Susie

    Just Food for thought:

    Thinking about the Bailouts & Stimulus Packages some have mentioned here–

    A point of Logic: “You can’t spend your way out of debt.”

    We wouldn’t expect it to work in our personal finances, so we should not expect it to work for the Government. After the first stimulus bill was signed by “W”, I thought that would be “It”. But, no! BO wrote several more checks! “Gee I still have checks in my checkbook, what do you mean there’s no money?”

    Our descendants will be mad as hell at us when they discover what we’ve done to them, even if not all of us are responsible for it. It will be a different world by then, and it won’t be pretty, UNLESS this is turned around.

    …I have also heard even many Dems say, in retrospect, they would have “W” back any day rather than this guy who is in the White House now, if it were possible. “W” was NOT the best President, and he made a lot of mistakes, but it would be the lesser of the evils. I believe he did keep us safe after 9/11, and that “W” is Patriotic, and would never do anything intentionally to hurt his country. I refuse to believe that. At least he loves his country unlike someone we know. Someone who has been quite verbal about hinting at it (and his wife).

    Now we have had 9 terrorist incidents during BO term. Terrorists feel freer to try it, because BO doesn’t have a strong military philosophy. (At least “W” did have that.) The last incident in 2010 being that Times Square deal. We are lucky these last few were not successful. Thank God!

  • Mick for thought

    Questions:
    For the businessmen in here -
    How many companies borrow money improve their company so they can make money vs only use the money they have in savings to improve their company so they can make money? (Can we have a poll please)
    For everyone else-
    Who here can find the word democracy or federation in our Constitution?
    Who here has actually read the Constitution?
    Who here is quoting a talking head from the right or the left?

    • JeffH

      A better question to ask is;
      Who here really cares about all of that?

      I thought “who” was the sound of an owl.

      • Mick for thought

        Well I thought the point was to have intelligent conversation and stimulate debate. Me I am just trying to figure out who the ditto-heads are and who can actually backup their opinions with some rational thought based on a foundation of fact. I asked the federation democracy question because these words were being flung about a lot. I see people mad their constitutional rights are being trampled on but probably have not read The Constitution, and the things the assume are there, are not.

    • rjg

      Good point.

      Anyone who has studied any introductory economics will understand the differnce between consumptive spending and investment spending. The distinction is important.

    • Save America Susie

      Being a small business owner with my husband, I know that you only borrow money when you have collateral to back it up. And plus, not when you are so deep in the hole you can’t climb out. Yes, I have read the Constitution and have a copy right in this desk drawer.

      • Mick for thought

        Great. I will enjoy conversing with you in the future.

    • DaveH

      Remember, Mick, that for every borrower, there is a lender. To answer your question, many businesses borrow money. Depending on the costs of the money and how it is employed, the borrowing may be a bad decision, or a good decision. The Big Difference here, Mick, is the lenders loan their money freely to the businesses. It is a mutually agreed upon choice.
      My money is being borrowed by the Government against my will. I and the other taxpayers will be forced to pay it back eventually one way or another.

      Now, a question for you, Mick. How come the intelligent class (at least they think they are), the Liberals can’t get their lives together without having to forcefully take from people who have?
      One would think that with all your superior intelligence you could take care of yourselves.

      • Mick for thought

        I know I am new here but last time – I am not a liberal. Nor am I a conservative. I read and I think. I served my country for 20 years in every nasty little place my Commander in Chief sent me. Now I am employed in the private sector and am building a large investment in my rental properties. I borrow on my equity.
        I do not get mad when the guy I voted for does not get elected because this is a democratic republic and the other guy got more votes. If the guy who won screws up, we will vote him out next time. I do get a bit upset at the amount of money each candidate gets to spend without any reform in sight.
        Cannot find Republican in the Constitution. I will read it again tonight.
        I listen to Rush also but I can see the line he crosses from truth to BS like it is painted on the road he is traveling down.
        Tomorrow all. Need to give time to the kids now.

        • denniso

          Thanks for the good and civil comment…

  • chuck b

    rjg-mick for thought

    its quite obvious neither of you two have a clue on how any business is operated. this isn’t a classroom. having owned a business for the last twenty years before retiring, at different times i borrowed to buy machinery, most of the time i used my own capital (preferably). if you get to the point of depending on borrowing to survive, you won’t survive, plain as that.
    i haven’t found any school teacher that could make it on there own or people having lived off the government tit.

    the word in the constitution is republican.

    and yes i have read the constitution ( of the united states)

    yes i listen to lots of conservative radio. rush is the most prominent
    and what i like about him most he states the truth and if it were not so the hostile media would have destroyed him. now i ask you, why do the liberals have such a problem doing what rush does?? they can’t hold an audience. people don’t buy what they try to say and if they told the truth they couldn’t compete with rush.

    • rjg

      You will be happy to know that I am neither a school teacher nor do I live off of the “Government tit” as you refer.

      There is a good book called “Economics Explained” by Robert Heilbroner and Lester Thurow. It is a quick little read and it will either change your mind or solidify your current economic philosophy.

      • DaveH

        Do you work for the Government, rjg?
        Lestor Thurow is a Flaming Liberal! If you want to spend your time reading something worthwhile, try Ludwig Von Mises or Milton Friedman, or any economist who is steeped in reality instead of Hopes and Dreams.
        Hopes and Dreams are an easy sell to those who don’t want to do some studying and learn reality. We all wish we lived in Paradise where there would be no suffering and all would be happy. But that isn’t the real world unfortunately. In the real world it takes hard work and sacrifice to achieve the good life. Not something the lazy Liberals want to hear.

        • DaveH

          Probably the biggest difference in what the modern day Liberals want and what the Fiscal Conservatives want is Choice. The Fiscal Conservatives offer voluntary contracts (choice). The Liberals offer the involuntary contracts through the Force of Big Government. If the Liberal Vision of the good life is valid, why do they need to Force it on their fellow citizens?

          • rjg

            I think you are referring to Libertarians. Clearly not all fiscal conservatives or Tea Party supporters are Libertarian.

          • DaveH

            I was referring to Fiscal Conservatives. Libertarians are fiscal conservatives, but we are not the only ones.
            And I wish I could say that the Tea Party people are mostly Libertarian, but I doubt it seriously.
            Unfortunately most peoples’ idea of Freedom is doing things their way. That is not the Libertarian philosophy. We tolerate many mistaken pursuits because we believe it is futile to try to protect people from themselves as well as not being any of our business. And I firmly believe that allowing people to make their own choices, with their own bodies and property, creates a more well-behaved society, as it takes the wind right out of any rebelliousness.
            Most Teenagers are a perfect example of my point. They are hell on wheels until they get out on their own, support themselves, and make their own mistakes. Then they grow up almost overnight.

        • rjg

          No I work for a private Engineering/Land Surveying firm.

          • denniso

            And so what if he worked for the gov’t??? What’s the gov’t? A police officer? A seargent in the army? A nasa astronaut? Are those gov’t jobs OK w/ DaveH?

            And Milton Friedman is and has been a joke for a decade or more…no serious economists believe in his simplistic theories anymore. Pablum….

          • rjg

            Ya not to mention Issac Newton and Albert Einstein.
            I think some people are so caught up in their idealism that all they can do is keep repeating the same tired cliches without giving them any real thought.

        • rjg

          Milton Friedman and Ludwig Von Mises
          If this isn’t utopian I don’t know what is?

          And I’m sure that Bill Gates (who endorsed Obama) would disagree on the lazy liberal comment.

          • JC

            Iy isn’t “utopian” it’s natural. All you have to do is get the intrusive government and it’s owners the paper central bankers off the playing field and suddenly Friedman and Mises are as natural as the sun.

          • DaveH

            No, Bill Gates is not lazy, nor is Warren Buffett, nor many other ultra-rich people who support the Democrats. Maybe, at that point of their lives they have so much money that they can no longer empathize with the struggling producers. Or maybe, they like the thought of Big Government which they can buy to protect them from competition by upstarts. Who knows? I do believe that is why many business people are so afraid of Libertarians. Our Free Market politics would take away their Government protection and they would have to start competing again to keep their wealth. They couldn’t just hide behind their Government protectors anymore.

    • denniso

      Chuck b…so that explains it. You listen to Limbaugh and think he tells the truth? How do you know that? Do you check what he says against several other sources? No, I don’t think so. You think he speaks the truth because he says what you like to hear.

      Limbaugh is one of the dumbest yet clever manipulators of facts and truth. He almost never states the truth, unless it’s something irrelevant. I listen ,so I know how he is spinning you people and virtually everything he says is a lie. If he isn’t spouting lies then he’s spewing hate and intolerance. He’s got you people so fooled and he’s piling up the millions doing it…he’s one of the most pathetic humans I know of and is only second to Michael Savage in the scum department. You should be ashamed to be one of his blind sheep who is making him rich on his foul mouth and empty brain.

      • JLC

        Denniso — In today’s political atmosphere, a CONSERVATIVE,liar does not stand a chance!

      • JeffH

        denniso, most everything you say anymore clearly says something about yourself. I haven’t seen anyone on this website, besides eyes, carry so much hate around. Honestly, and I am not saying this out of anger, you should really get some cliical help. I couldn’t live with myself being as unhappy as you seem to be, about everything no matter what it is. You have gotta be self employed, no one would put up with all of your negatives.

        • denniso

          Not to worry, Jeffy old boy. I’m probably healthier and more content than you and most of these other blowhards here, calling for revolution and calling migrant workers cockroaches and scum, and drooling over your right to shoot your pretty guns.

          Limbaugh is like a bad joke and I guess you can’t handle your hero being called a fool and liar…you shouldn’t worry, he doesn’t worry about your reputation.

        • DaveH

          Jeff,
          I will have to disagree with you on that one. Dumniso could not be self-employed (unless he is a tremendous actor) because he would quickly lose his customers if he behaved like he does in his comments.

          I always knew that Liberals were vile, self-absorbed creatures, and Dumniso just proves my point to anybody who is not also a blindered Liberal Zealot.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, thanks for slapping me back to reality. Just look at the answer. Serious issues, serious issues!

      • rjg

        Rush Limbaugh, what ever happened with his drug conviction? He had such a “look em up and throw away the key” anti drug attitude, I guess its a good thing for him he didn’t get his way.

        • JeffH

          rjg, it certainly didn’t take you long to show your fangs. Oh well, birds of a feather…

        • DaveH

          I’m not aware of Rush’s anti-drug stance. But, if indeed that is true, then he deserves the assault by the establishment.
          However, wouldn’t it be more productive if you championed Rush’s freedom to poison his own body? Why do Liberals always seek the lowest common denominator? I have never seen a Liberal say something like “he works so hard, I want to work hard like him”. Rather it is “he hardly works, why should I work hard?”. And that is exactly why the Liberal approach results in bad economies wherever it is fully implemented. If there aren’t incentives to work hard, the typical person works less, produces less, and therefore the economy spirals downward until it eventually hits bottom.

          Anybody that wants to learn the reality of the effects of Government force on economies can pick the country links on this ranking and see that Big Government just doesn’t work:
          http://www.heritage.org/index/Ranking.aspx

          • rjg

            DaveH

            “I’m appalled at people who simply want to look at all this abhorrent behavior and say people are going to do drugs anyway let’s legalize it. It’s a dumb idea. It’s a rotten idea and those who are for it are purely 100 percent selfish.”
            – Rush Limbaugh show, Dec 9, 1993

  • chuck b

    rjg

    and why do i want to know what my current economic philosophy is. i can see that our country is in a economic disaster the way barry is going, so please advise him before we lose it all. he could probably use the book you refer to. he may not understand it but, i’m sure rahm can help him out. i ended up ok so i guess my economic philosophy was worth something. however, thanks for the mention.

    • rjg

      Well I suppose that one would guess that if you have a political position on economic policy that you might actually have something to back it up other than “because thats what the guy on the radio told me”!

    • JeffH

      chuck b…ignorance is plentiful here and I didn’t even need Rush or Glen or Sean to send me a radio signal and say it was so, all I had to do was read a couple of posts. Holy grail Batman, I figured it all out on my own.
      BAM! ZAP! KURNK! WHAM!

  • chuck b

    denniso

    use your head. do you think after all these years and rush limbaugh was living on lies that he would still be on the air? the media and the demo’nistas watch him closely to catch him in any lie. your political allies can’t counter him because most people that think for themselves can tell the difference. thats why liberal talk shows can’t succeed, if they tell the truth they have nothing to say.
    you say you listen to rush? and you still think the way you do. take a couple of aspirins and relax you get to worked up about it.

    • denniso

      Really Chuck…just because there are about 30 million fools who want to be told lies about liberals and the gov’t, doesn’t mean there’s any truth to what Limbaugh yells. You people don’t want the truth about much of anything because it goes against your preconceived notions. Limbaugh is either a scam artist playing you for his millions or he’s a legitimate fool himself who can’t figure out the truth of the matter.

      I actually think he’s a con man playing a game for money and power. And you’re wrong about his being closely monitored for facts…most people w/ some ability to think clearly just ignore him as a shouting buffoon…when he ocassionally says something a bit more outrageous he is called on it by many people, but he doesn’t actually respond except w/ name calling and derision. He’s also a coward who has to shout down his critics…I also call him a traitor for the way he’s trying to wreck the economy by constantly talking it down and demonizing Obama as one who is trying to destroy the country. What an a_s he is…

      • denniso

        Oh, I meant to ask…why do you true believers call Limbaugh,Beck,
        Hannity,Palin and other heros of yours by their first names? Do you really think you’re on a first name basis w/ them because they think of you as friends? Really now…

        • JeffH

          denisso, do you feel better knowing that you’re the only sane “fool” out of 30,000,000,000+or-?

          • DaveH

            Dumniso is a legend in his own mind (a little legend because that’s all his little mind can hold).

      • Right Wing

        denisso, since you seem to have such a firm grasp on “statistics” and the ability to distinguish truth from fiction, I suggest you solicit the financing of the (as you suggest) majority of rational liberals and start the dennisso hour talk show. I’m sure it will be a hit and your audience will be huge…sure to top the audience of Americans that only need lies and turn to O’reilly, Beck, and others for information. When you write your business plan (assuming you know what one is) be sure to do your homework and be prepared to describe how you will avoid the failures of all previous such attempts. Your fall back plan is to be relegated as a fairness doctrine token on the programs you hate.

        • JeffH

          Right Wing, can I add a broadcast and some sponsorship suggestion?

          Broadcast over the CBS and NBC networks using the same format as Air America Radio but call the show Anti-America Coming Together.

          Seek your sponsorship from organizations that would eagerly support your platform such as the Tides Foundation, Center for Progressive Leadership, MoveOn.Org, Service Employees International Union , Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now , Jane Fonda, and Vote For Change.

          With a little of success, you might be able to persuade a few other liberls to re-evaluate their values and realize that you are a living, ticking, breating lunatic in dire need of a padded cell and morphine drip.

        • DaveH

          It’s already been tryed. It was called Air America and they couldn’t find enough paying listeners to survive. Why listen to Liberals when you can just read the Brothers Grimm, or Hans Christian Anderson, or Lewis Carroll, or Charles Perrault?

          • denniso

            It seems you people are a little confused…despite the mouth, Limbaugh, having 30 million sheep bahhhing in joy at his mindlessness
            attacks on Obama and Liberals, and the other dimwit rightwing blabbers
            spouting their hate and anger, we won the last 2 national elections and still control most of the gov’t. There are way more than 30 million smart and rational liberals who effectively balance out the rightwing zealots.
            And, the rightwing is shooting themselves in their collective feet by pushing out conservatives like Senator Bob Bennet of Utah in the primaries…the tea people are overjoyed w/ their sucess but it’s going to sour their tea in November when moderate voters flee the extreme Repubs left in the party.

          • JeffH

            denisso. it’s a good thing you always say such stupid things that are always centered about “hate and anger”. You certainly do practice what you preach.
            “spouting their hate and anger”
            “You people screaming the same old crap over and over are just looking like rabid, uneducated, fools.”
            “no, you’d rather foam at the mouth over the relative nickels and dimes spent trying to keep poor kids from starving. Pathetic…”
            “spout like a lunnatic and fool.
            “If he isn’t spouting lies then he’s spewing hate and intolerance.”
            ” he’s one of the most pathetic humans I know of and is only second to Michael Savage in the scum department.”
            “No, they yell, smear,lie,make up facts,and make personal attacks rather than stay on the subject…I speak from experience”
            “the righties are so lacking in heros that they latched on to her and willingly made her a millionaire…a corrupt and dumb millionaire…amazing, but true”
            “You remind me of an old friend of mine back in the 60’s who thought we should drop the bomb on Vietnam…asinine and ridiculous remark. Try thinking before you spout such nonsense”
            “Get a job, or start knitting for your grandkids, or do something positive…you’re talking like you’re insane…”
            “your drivel is nothing short of astounding, idiotic but astounding.”
            “You are apparently so clueles and slow that you can’t comprehend much of anything.”
            “I certainly learned about ‘Satan’. I’ve grown up since then and have known for decades that ‘Satan’ is a human creation designed to instill fear in primitive people”
            “Those guys and Palin sound like uneducated rednecks w/ too much to drink and too much time on their hands.Blathering buffoons all…”
            “your comment is hardly readable but also makes me sick…you sound utterly unhinged. Are you behind bars somewhere? Hope so…”
            “just like all rightwing zealots. You can’t think or discuss or debate anything at all so all you have is belittling and childish comments…”
            “you sound like a wannabe Nazi”
            “…you’re a pathetic excuse for a human,let alone an American.”
            “We should all be standing up against this kind of hatemongering and call thes people what they are…animals w/ no conscience or morality.”
            “Why don’t you go back to your KKK club and keep your foul and ignorant mouth shut…”
            “Really??? Your ignorance is flabbergasting at best and idiotic at worst”
            “The only people afraid of the ‘tea party’ are the Repubs who are trying to ride the energy of it and also distance themselves from it for some of it’s hysterical behaviour and talk of violence and gun waving from the John Wayne wannabe’s…”
            “You should know that site is a scam…the only qualifications for the site owner is that he hates Obama and Democrats”
            “Criticizing a president is one thing…lying and smearing and calling him a communist and socialist and unamerican is quite another.”
            “sometimes you almost sound sane and even reasonable. Most times,like now, you sound like a raving lunatic…”

            These are just a few of the lovely comments to come from denisso’s mouth. There really aren’t many comments of substance to be found, but there were a few, very few. Mostly hate, ander and ridicule.
            As anyone can see, he/she isn’t a very happy go lucky individual.

          • denniso

            Very clever of you…glad to see I’m giving you some work to do to keep you busy. What you didn’t include,of course, are the demonizing,hateful,lying comments from others who I responded to. That’s to be expected of people like you though, leave out the context
            and give 1/2 the story. Surprise, surprise…

  • Biene Vallee

    I am a legal immigrant, and proud to be an American! I am the wrong color; worked all my life for the expensive health care I cherish, and am about to lose, so that I can pay double for someone else. My internet access is about to come under scrutiny. My grandchildren are being taught the rightness of alternate lifestyles, and we have no recourse, except an expensive, out-of-reach private school. I can feel the hatred and malice from this new President, as I am caught in his cross-hairs. Socialist? Communist? Marxist? Nazi? Well, you take a little from here, and a little from there, and you have a man bent on destruction-mine, and all of white America. However, after all is said and done, I think corporatist is a good word. Thanks.

  • chuck b

    biene vallee

    your to generous with your appraisal. i have a better name for him, unfortunately i can’t print it here.

  • Claire

    Happy Mother’s Day to all Mothers on this site!! Have a wonderful day!!

  • Save America Susie

    * Update: Some people on my e-mail list found that when they tried to check the YOUTUBE video of Michelle commenting on BO’s “Home Country”, they could not get in, for whatever reason. May have already been pulled? I found it on another venue. I am sure many people were there at that speech and recorded videos of it.
    Try the following:

    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=136769

    If I have typed it in wrong, just go to “World Net Daily” internet magazine, and search for Michelle Obama’s speech on Aids in Kenya.

    Even if Michelle was “confused” on what the term “Home Country” means (which really means the place where you are born, similar to the term “home town”), this means she & BO do NOT consider America his home country!
    Either way, it isn’t good!

    • rjg

      Good News

      I just clicked the original link and it works just fine. There is no left wing socialist conspiracy to remove you-tube videos with an opposing political view.

      There may have been a technical problem commonly refered to in the IT as PEBKAC(Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair). Occam’s Razor!

      Moving On……

      • Save America Susie

        Thanks for the “verify”!

      • Right Wing

        A whimsical acronym; however your use of Ockham’s razor suggests you are not only aware of the possible solutions to the technical difficulties experienced but that you were also able to determine that user error was the simplest solution. An IT pro worth his salt would never fall back on user error as the most likely solution when the simplest bug is usually responsible for error in a very complex system.

        • rjg

          Hey Right Wing

          I think you missed the point.

  • JeffH

    Thought I’d share a little humor here.

    ~ OLD PROSPECTOR ~
    An old prospector(the conservative) shuffled into the town of El Indio , Texas leading an old tired mule. The old man headed straight for the only saloon in town, to clear his parched throat. He walked up to the saloon and tied his old mule to the hitch rail. As he stood there, brushing some of the dust from his face and clothes, a young gunslinger(the liberal) stepped out of the saloon with a gun in one hand and a bottle of whiskey in the other.

    The young gunslinger looked at the old man and laughed, saying, “Hey old man, have you ever danced?” The old man looked up at the gunslinger and said, “No, I never did dance… never really wanted to.”

    A crowd had gathered as the gunslinger grinned and said, “Well, you old fool, you’re gonna’ dance now,” and started shooting at the old man’s feet. The old prospector, not wanting to get a toe blown off, started hopping around like a flea on a hot skillet. Everybody was laughing, fit to be tied.

    When his last bullet had been fired, the young gunslinger, still laughing, holstered his gun and turned around to go back into the saloon. The old man turned to his pack mule, pulled out a double-barreled shotgun, and cocked both hammers. The loud clicks carried clearly through the desert air.

    The crowd stopped laughing immediately. The young gunslinger heard the sounds too, and he turned around very slowly. The silence was almost deafening. The crowd watched as the young gunman stared at the old timer and the large gaping holes of those twin barrels.

    The barrels of the shotgun never wavered in the old man’s hands, as he quietly said, “Son, have you ever kissed a mule’s ass?”

    The gunslinger swallowed hard and said, “No sir…… but… I’ve always wanted to.”

    There are a few lessons for us all here:
    Never be arrogant.
    Don’t waste ammunition.
    Whiskey makes you think you’re smarter than you are.
    Always, always make sure you know who has the dry powder.
    Don’t mess with old men, they didn’t get old by being stupid.

    • Save America Susie

      Good one, JeffH. Thanks for the laugh….And in Honor of Mother’s Day:

      Don’t Mess with Older Women either! : ) They’ve seen a few things too.

      • JeffH

        Happy Mothers day to all of you mothers

    • JC

      And never pick a fight with an old man…
      if he doesn’t feel like fighting,
      he’ll just kill ya! ;)

  • DaveH

    Sorry to post this after such sentimental talk, but the women on this board should be aware, especially the Liberal Women:
    http://www.partizane.com/node/1989

    • JeffH

      It is time for Americans to once again stand up and “demand” that this country, the USA, sever ties with the UN and remove them from operating on US soil. When will all of us realize enough is enough with this “joke” organization.
      The UN has no influence over any country, never have and never will.

      • JC

        One word – Soveriegnty.

    • libertytrain

      DaveH – one thing I have become aware of over the years is that lib women do not seem particularly sympathetic to the Iranian women, the women of Iraq, Afghanistan, etc – I’ve been confused by that…and saddened as well.

    • Save America Susie

      Dave H….That is really shocking that the U.N. elected IRAN to be in charge of women’s rights! How scary is that!

      And I have also been thinking along those same lines that you have, Jeff H, of maybe the U.N. should leave our soil and go somewhere else. Say Geneva? Switzerland has always been a neutral place.

      Lastly, Liberty Train, I am Conservative & have always been very sympathetic to the women trapped in closed societies where they are considered nothing but a possession. Where honor killings are considered “OK” by decision of a male family member. It is a very hard for us Americans to understand this societal system, where women live with women & small children, and men hang out mostly with men. The men there seem to be hetero-sexual, but homo-social. The men seem to say by way of this set-up: they need the women ONLY for procreation & sex, and family cohesion, and early childhood development, but they know nothing about a relationship between a man and a woman on an intimate emotional level. Maybe not even as a deep friend. This is sad to me. This is especially true if the man has 4 wives. It divides them even wider. It is hard to see a woman as an equal, if you live like this. (Not that it can’t be done.)

      I thank God I live in America. Even with all its problems, it is still the best place to live on Earth!

  • http://aol.com John Pickett

    America a Republic,a Country of dreams,our dreams. Will they be taken away not on my watch. Do I sound like someone with guns a blazin, or just a man that’s fed up with all these people who say one thing and do another. You want to call him President, I never will give him that respect. You have to earn that and Washington hasn’t and probably never will until We The People take our country back to where it started! That’s what America is. A REPUBLIC, A COUNTRY, our COUNTRY!! GOD BLESS HER!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Save America Susie

      John, I agree. Also, someone should not win a Nobel Prize for “good intentions” alone. It should have to be a specific thing they have EARNED it for. I agree. There is still so much we don’t know and need opened us about this secretive man. Someone on here said he had accomplished so much. I am asking: “What”. He may have accomplished a lot for the liberals purposes, but not for America’s purposes.

      Even though I believe this is STILL the best country on Earth as for Freedom, I admit I do fear that its on shaky ground.

      Amen to what you have said.

  • JeffH

    Michael Moore hammers the Democrats! Surprise! Surprise.

    When Michael Moore starts getting panicked, you know times are getting tumultuous for the left and the Democratic Party.

    The anti-corporation, sometimes conspiracy theorist documentary filmmaker aired his frustrations about the current health care reform predicament. Congressional Democrats have gotten themselves into a mess with time running out as the midterm election cycle fast approaches and Moore said he was worried. According to Moore, who appeared on MSNBC’s March 10 “The Rachel Madcow Show,” if the Democratic Party doesn’t make strides in getting their liberal agenda passed – it’s bleak times ahead for them.

    “Well, we see what it’s led us to, to the fact that one out of eight homes now in America is in foreclosure or delinquency,” Moore said. “One out of eight home and, of course, the millions that don’t have health care and everything else it’s – how do you get yourself out of bed every morning to do this show with just the despair of how – the hope that we all had a year, year and a half ago. And now it’s like, I just feel like the Democrats are – they’re in for an ass-whooping of Biblical proportions in November if they don’t get off the dime and do the job they were sent there to do. I mean that. I mean, it – don’t they see that?”

    Although some would argue these dire political conditions are a result of overstepping boundaries in enacting some of their policies, Moore suggested they should double-down on their agenda and not be weak-kneed.

    “They could avoid it by having the courage of their convictions and doing what the Republicans do when they take power,” Moore said. “You know when the Republicans come into town, they get in the Hummer and they drive down Pennsylvania Avenue, mow down everybody in sight. They walk into Congress with both guns blazing and they say, ‘We were sent here to do a job,’ and then they do the job. Democrats come in and I mean by an incredible majority in the Senate and the House, in this historic election with Obama in the White House. Democrats come in and go, ‘Oh hi, hi, umm – I guess we don’t need universal health care for everybody. You know, we can compromise. It’s OK.’”

    He mocked the Democratic Party, whose convention he was once a guest at, for acting like “frightened animals.”

    “You know, they used to at least just sing ‘Kumbaya,’” Moore said. “Now they go in like frightened animals. I don’t understand it. What is it about them that they can’t do the math?”

    He explained he was perplexed that Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., a strident no vote on health care without specific abortion language, was able to hijack the entire health care reform legislative process. He likened the current conditions to a boat taking water and urged the Democrats to start bailing water before it was too late.

    “It’s kind of like, OK, the boat is taking in water,” Moore explained. “Do we just sit here or do we pick up the Dixie cup that’s over here and start bailing? I mean, we may not make it, you know, but do something! Do something, Democrats. Are you listening to me?”

    Moore has been one of the leading left-wing proponents of nationalized health care. In his documentary “SiCKO” that favored the socialist health care systems of Canada, Britain, France and Cuba, Moore made the fantastic and inaccurate claim that almost 50 million Americans are uninsured.

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2010/03/11/michael-moore-warns-democrats-ass-whooping-biblical-proportions-november#ixzz0nUC9vLNg

    I guess Michael Moore is the Pom Pom cheerleader for the Democratic Socialist Party now! My how some lberal success can get you in the spotlight.

    • JC

      LOL I was just about to post this. Good on ya!

  • DaveH

    A RINO bites the dust. How cool. Now if we can only get rid of John McCain:
    http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/bob-bennett-Utah-Senate/2010/05/08/id/358302?s=al&promo_code=9DCF-1

    • JeffH

      Another one bites the dust!

      • denniso

        You gleeful gays, oops I mean guys, really don’t understand? The farther the Repub party moves to the right the fewer moderate voters it will attract. Your and Palin and Bachmann and Limbaugh are sowing the seeds of your own destruction. Do I care? Sure, I think this could offset the normal gains expected by the party out of power in an off year election…so the Dems could maintain their control over both houses in Nov. But hey radical guys, keep it up and see if I’m correct in Nov….

        • JeffH

          A great many people mistake opinions for thoughts. Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

        • JC

          Gee denniso, then why is one of your socialist Icons, Michael Moore saying that the Dems are in for an ass-whooping of biblical proportions in November? Hmmm?
          Keep waving your communist little Obama button, ok?

        • TIME

          Denniso -
          You do relize that you just committed a hate crime with what you posted. Thats right your bubba old Ted the Raper Kennedy, had a bill pass about such just after BarryO got in office.

          Thus when you called us all Gays, then you commit the follow up of your hate filled rant, you just committed a hate crime according to the LAW.

          • JC

            Liberals have no respect for law…or for people…or for property…or for America.

          • denniso

            Come on J C…don’t just make absurd comments. If we had no respect for America then we would just let you rightwingers have it. We’re not going to let you have it because we care too much for the country and it’s future…the children,the environment, all of it.

  • Biresh

    It is unclear whether the right wing supports corporaatists. Most probably it does. The left apart from the loony left is broadly correct about the plight of the americans as capitalism dwindles around the world and its hangers on will soon require alternatives.

    • JeffH

      Political tags – such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth – are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.

    • JC

      When was capitalism ever actually tried on a general basis?
      All we’ve ever seen is corporatism or economis fascism, whatever you want to call it. But the principles of a genuine free market have never been seen here.

      • TIME

        JC;

        Your 100% wrong, I know many like myself that have made it thus its is a FREE market and though there is control of parts of it, its still open to anyone who has two things working for them;

        #1, A set of “BIG BRASS BALLS” to take on anyone and anything at any time and fight to win, as in never back down.

        #2, A “DREAM” to make it happen – with the second part of that being the “DRIVE” to keep going even when you get door after door slamed in your face. The never say “NEVER” factor.

        Thus its called the BBBDDN system.

        Its not for wimps nor twinkie cry babys that want everything FREE,
        It means hard work 7 days a week 365 days a year – year after year.
        Then when you make it – you bring Charity to the for and teach others to be just like you.

        SUCCESS is not easy, nor is it hard, it is however;
        “Total Commited Persistence to Your Dreams.”

        • JC

          I admire your work ethic it’s reflective of my own. But here we disagree. I have had some very good success out working a system that seems hell bent on breaking me. Despite that, like you say, I’ve done very well. BUT! You, me and everyone else would do much better and be a whole lot healthier and enjoy a better quality of life if we weren’t carrying leviathan on our backs, paying homage to a criminal banking system and having poisonous chemicals approved for our consumption by the same government we’ve lost control of.

          I don’t see that out slaving the other slaves is the same as free entrprise that come with a reward you actually have a right to keep.

          It’s debatable anyway. But I have no faith in the present system of theft and coercion.

          • denniso

            I’ve said this before…all gov’t's can be better and more efficient, but under the gov’t we have this country, since the end of WW 2 has created the largest economy and largest middle class in the history of the world. So, something must be working,at least until the recent crash.
            I don’t agree w/ a lot the gov’t does and w/ some of the tax system and I loathe the IRS w/ their ability to make essentially everyone wonder if they’ll be in trouble w/ them at some point in time. The tax code is ridiculously complex and we need a major streamlining of it.
            Despite some of my or your disagreements w/ how the gov’t is structured and run, most people who want to do well usually can in this country. Where we fall flat is in giving good opprtunities for quality education and living conditions for millions of poor children, who often fall by the wayside and become major thorns in the side of all society. It doesn’t have to be that way forever.

  • http://BobLivingstoneletter@personalliberty.com Ray Jarman

    Firstly, I agree with Chip Wood on most points but as to Obama’s being a socialist, he is wrong; Obama is a communist (small “c”). He has indicated that he has no regard for the Constitution and less regards for public opinion, which means that he would like to take America one step at a time to true communism where he and the rest of the ten percent of the dictatorship of the proletariat can force everyone to do as the state dictates.

    As far an America being a democracy or republic, it is clear that it is a republic but with the Seventeenth Amendment, it more closely resembles a democracy. In a true democracy such as Athens (not Hellenic Greece), every citizen was required to participate. Even with a great leader such as Pericles, Athens would cease to be a democracy and was defeated by Sparta and Corinth (see The Peloponnesian Wars) by Thucydides). All bills would be acted upon by plebiscites because there would be no Congress, as no representation would exist.

    The one thing that bothers me most is that our founding fathers were perspicacious enough to build into the Constitution means to create changes deemed necessary to meet the changes in technology and social requirements; beginning with Roosevelt’s forcing the Constitutionalists from the Supreme Court and especially the Court while Earl Warren was the Chief Justice to the present, legislating from the bench rather than the legislature has done more than any other branch of government to contravene the that great document until Barak Hussein Obama. His agenda is to destroy all vestiges of our great republic in the name of social reform, i.e. giving one’s hard earned money to someone who is too lazy to go out and earn a decent living.

    • denniso

      What prompts you to write such tripe? Is it ignorance or maliciousness???

      • JC

        Gee it looks like a pretty astute and clear minded observation to me! :)

        • denniso

          Yep, he’s just another fine example of one of your well spoken,highly educated allies…

  • Hugh

    An Important Distinction: Democracy versus Republic

    In both the Direct type and the Representative type of Democracy, (Direct Democracy has no elected representatives; Representative Democracy has elected representatives)

    The Majority’s power is absolute and unlimited; its decisions are unappealable under the legal system established to give effect to this form of government. This opens the door to unlimited Tyranny-by-Majority, it is a case of Majority-Rules. In a Democracy, The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority.

    A Republic, on the other hand, has a very different purpose and an entirely different form, or system, of government. Its purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general. The definition of a Republic is: a constitutionally limited government of the representative type, created by a written Constitution–adopted by the people and changeable (from its original meaning) by them only by its amendment–with its powers divided between three separate Branches: Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Here the term “the people” means, of course, the electorate.

    Further explanation; http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html

    • Vicki

      There is nothing inherent in a “republican” form of government that protects minorities. The actual definition of a republic http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/republic

      That is why our forefathers crafted the Constitution. It is a specific contract to limit what the representatives are allowed to do. Hence in the US we have a Constitutionally Limited Republican government. Our forefathers however worried and rightly so (see how the commerce clause has been abused) that the specific powers granted to the (federal) government might still be abused so a Bill of Rights was added by amendment (10 of them :) ) to specifically point out areas that the representatives could never go and try and play without rewriting the constitution itself (by amendment or abolish and start over).

      Humans, being a clever group, managed to wriggle the fed out of most of the chains thru interpretation of the commerce clause.

      • Anthony

        Vicki-
        Nice job. Thank God for Thomas Jefferson, eh?

        Everyone needs to read and memorize the 10th Amendment.

        • Vicki

          Actually I wish they would memorize the 9th and 10th amendments. 9 is the one that reminds us that the preceding 8 only list the enumerated rights and not all of them. The 10th is the one that reminds us that the FedGov is limited to only a few powers. Not that they have been listening recently :(

  • Boo Ewald Taylor

    Barack Obama is terrifying, that’s what he is.

    • denniso

      BOO!!!!

  • Anthony

    Personally, I don’t care one way or the other, if our current POTUS is a socialist or not. I really don’t. All Presidents have come from and take their marching orders from – The Council on Foreign Relations. If you grasp nothing else, GRASP this….

    Ron Paul is out there trying to enlighten people, and all we see here is the constant addiction to the Left/Right Paradigm – which really doesn’t exist, except in Teleprompter Media, and therefore in the minds of lazy Americans.

    Many an Article Ive read where people come right out to admit that all Politicians get on the News and decry this Party or the other one. Then, after hours, they ALL go out to dinner together. It’s the SECOND BIGGEST SCAM going on in the Country today.

    THE BIGGEST SCAM GOING in America (and the world) right now – is THE CENTRAL BANK

    You need to immerse yourselves in the History of the Rothschilds.
    Do that first – then try following all Family Names associated.
    Seriously – go research who is connected to whom.
    Did you know that Tom Cruise is related to Paul Volker?

    NONE of what we are experiencing today, would be occurring without us having a Central Bank forced upon us, by greedmongers who are simply Agents of the Global Banking Cartel. Nothing more. to them, it’s all about so many seats at the dinner table – the haves and the have-nots. And, right now, the Table is getting smaller.

    IMHO – at least 3 U.S. Presidents were assassinated because they chose to fight against the Central Bank. They are Lincoln, Garfield and Kennedy. A 4th POTUS successfully rid us of the 2nd Central Bank – his name is Andrew Jackson. Rockefeller bvrought his puppet – Woodrow Wilson – back in to engage the 3rd Central Bank – THE FEDERAL RESERVE. Woodrow Wilson always bragged abuot being a Progressive at Princeton. You do the math.

    Whether it’s socialism, nationalism, communism, corporate-ism… it’s all requiring of one simple device — A CENTRAL BANK. None of them can be successful without it.

    To me – if you must invoke an ISM – it should be Constitutionalism or in fact, Libertarianism.

    Liberal can be stretched to become accustomed to just about any discussion. Heck, that could mean hottubs for all anyone really cares. In the Seventies, being liberal about sex was all the rage. It’s definition can change on a dime. look at the word GAY – then think back into the Roaring 20′s when everyone was gay. All of our Ancestors who did the charleston… were all gay and happy. Suddenly, it’s got a stigma attached to it. Same happened with Liberal.

    Several things are in the works right now.
    Fasicsm is slowly dying a big death – in favor of Communism.
    Both of these ISM’s were to have one agenda – to erradicate christianity.
    After WWII, we saw comunism be brought up to the level of equality of Christianity and FDR made sure of it, on marching orders.

    What ALL need to do, is stop talking left & right. Stop it right now.

    What you NEED to start discussing – is what your Life’s Values might be.

    We all need to vote for politicians who are ready to run our Country according to the same Life Values you might have, and let the majority win. This Country was founded on Christian ethics. In that vein of discussion, we find the essence of FREEDOM.

    FREEDOM doesn’t just exist. It can’t.
    FREEDOM is based on a Judeo-Christian Ethic. This is “why” we are free!

    Point me in the right direction if you think the Koran ethic is about FREEDOM.
    Especially the writings of Mohammed. Abraham, maybe – Not Mohammed.

    Once you grasp the warnings of Eisenhower, Kennedy, and now Ron Paul, and seriously take it to heart… then, the rest all falls into place. Try extrapolating the effects on a Monopoly that answers to no one, not even the Government(s) of the Countries this Monopoly exists in, and you tell me what the outcome would be.

    THE FED has it written into the Bill – THEY NEVER PAY TAXES, ..EVER
    THE FED never takes a loss, either. If the market turns down, WE PAY FOR IT… not them!

    Ron Paul is right – THE FED has never been audited. Why not, smart guys?

    Believe this, as well – NO Politicians gets to run for Office, without them getting the blessing of the FED, and CFR. Remember, since its creation, ALL Presidents have been a member of the CFR – they have all, – save one – become President only with the blessing of CFR, and with extrapolation, …THE FED.

    The one President who wasn’t in there? Ronald Reagan
    Now, I find this hard to believe. So many, and this one guy pulls that off?
    I’m still researching this fact, for verification.
    But, it would make sense. Go to Youtube and look at Reagan’s ’64 Speech.

    End Point? Go do what I ask, in my comments above.
    STOP wasting effort, and brain power on the FAKE Left/Right Paradigm nonsense.

    I’m betting if you can get Ron Paul’s mailing address, or email address and ask him about my comments… his answer will probablty SHOCK you…. especially if you think they are looney bin nonsense, or conspiracy-theory BS. But, that’s your biz. A free country won’t interfere with someone’s extreme effort at bliss….

    I never stop researching….. never.

  • MikeP

    The champions of socialism call themselves progressives, but they recommend a system which is characterized by rigid observance of routine and by a resistance to every kind of improvement. They call themselves liberals, but they are intent upon abolishing liberty. They call themselves democrats, but they yearn for dictatorship. They call themselves revolutionaries, but they want to make the government omnipotent. They promise the blessings of the Garden of Eden, but they plan to transform the world into a gigantic post office. Every man but a subordinate clerk in a bureau. What an alluring utopia! What a noble cause to fight!

    Against all this frenzy of agitation there is but one weapon available: reason. Just common sense is needed to prevent man from falling prey to illusory fantasies and empty catchwords.”

    From “Bureaucracy” by Ludwig von Mises (1944)

  • C.K.M.

    IN THIS OH SO GREAT STATE OF CA,I ONE CAN SAY [ILLEGALS] DO GET BENIFITS.OUR SO CALL MAYOR IN LA,CONTINUOSLY MAKES COMMENTS REGARDING SUBJESTING THE [ILLEGALS] A AS IMPORTANT AS THE OLE,RED WHITE AND BLUE FLAG THAT WE AS AMERCIANS HOLD VERY DEAR TO US,AS WELL AS THAT THEY ARE EQUALLY PROTECTED AS THE AMERICAN EAGLES IS BULL.S#%HE SHOULD BE CANNED FOR MISSLEADING AND DENONCE MAYOR AND BAND FROM ANY FURTHER PUBLIC OFFICE.WE THE PEOPLE ARE NOT INTO BREAKING FAMILY’S UP THEY KNOW THAT IF THE “FAMILY”WANT TO TAKE THEIR KIDS BACK TO THERE HOMELAND,THEN BY ALL MEANS THEY ARE WELCOME TO DO THAT.WE DO NOT WANT TO HALF TO FRONT THE BILL FOR THEIR LAW BREAKING PARENTS.CLOSSING THE BORDER IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO,WHY YOU ASK? I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANNSER THAT VERY QUESTION.IF WE WERE TO BELEIVE THAT AT THE BORDER THEY MEAN NO HARM THAT THEY ARE JUST LOOKING FOR A BETTER LIFE,BUT IF I DO NOT RAPE,PILLAGE AND PLUNDER YOUR FAMILY MY KIDS WILL DEFACE YOUR PROPERTLY AND REAK HAVET ON YOUR SCHOOLS AND DISRUPT ALL THAT WE CAN AS TO DISTRACT INVADE AND LATTER WE GANG BANG.IF THAT IS NOT BAD ENOUGH MABE A TERRIOST FROM A FOREGN LAND WILL GO TO “MEXICO”ENTER THE UNITED STATE BECAUSE THEY CAN HA HA HA.SIMPLE CLOSE THE BOADER,NO AMNESTY,WHY I TELL YOU WHY IT DOES NOT WORK IN THIS CASE,AMNESTY WAS BROUGH ABOUT DURRING THE “REGAN ADDMINISTRATION TO HELP THOSE WHO WERE IN A MOST POLITICAL MESH”IF THEY WANT A SO CALLED BETTER WAY OF LIFE THEN THEY CAN WAIT THEIR TURN AND STAND IN LINE NOT HERE CLOGGING UP THE WAY IN HOPES OUR GOVERMENT WILL SAY OH THATS OKAY YOU CAN COME IN REAK HAVAK AND OH YES BUY THE WAY HERE IS SOME FREE STUFF FOR YOU WE ARE SORRY.THEY ARE NOT AND HAVE NOT BEEN “REPRESSED BY US” ALL RESPECK TO THE AMRICAN NAVTIVE INDIAN”WE THE PEOPLE HAVE NOT DONE A BAD JOB WITH THIS COUNTRY,BUT WE DO HAVE OUR FLAWS OK,BUT HAD WE NOT COME THERE WOULD STILL BE REPREESED WOMAN NO EDUCATION TO BITHCH ABOUT THAT WE DON’T HAVE A SCHOOL.OR SIMPLY PUT WOULD YOU FEEL IF THIS MEXICO,NOT GOOD

    • C.K.M.

      IM SORRY FOR THE BADLY MISSPELLED ENGLISH,I PUSHED SUBMIT BY MISTAKE.YES I NEED SPELL CHECK,BUT IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE THINGS THAT IT SAYS.

  • FRANK

    BEAR YOU SAID IT RIGHT, AND GOD BLESS YOU AND AMERICA. AND ALL AMERICANS THAT WANT THIER FREEDOM AND OUR COUNTRY TO GET SAVED FROM THE DOWNFALL THAT THIS GUY IN THE BIG CHAIR IS ABOUT TO MAKE HAPPEN.

    CUBAN MISSLE VET. FRANK

  • nilo

    “A rose by any other name would smell as sweet” is a quote by William Shakespeare from his play Romeo and Juliet meant to say that the names of things do not matter, only what things are [matters].

    IT MATTERS!!

    “Socialism is a system where the government directly owns and manages businesses. Corporatism is a system where businesses are nominally in private hands, but are in fact controlled by the government. In a corporatist state, government officials often act in collusion with their favored business interests to design policies that give those interests a monopoly position, to the detriment of both competitors and consumers.” — Ron Paul’s statement in Chip Wood’s article.

    What’s the difference? A rose is still a rose, no matter what you call it? Seen any of this lately??

  • jtrailroad

    socialism was stated with presidents TR,Wlsson,FDR,LBJ,JEC and now BHO.
    every time we have a socialistt president we get weeker as a nation.BHO is pushinng his polocies that are totally against our constitution. i am a constitutionist and i want get back to our consttitution now.i want my liberrtyy and freedoms back i believe in personal responsibility.BHO is making the USA in to a nanny nation!

  • http://aol.com John Pickett

    Well if you ask Sean Hannity he’s a Social Conservative!! He’s for Status Quo names like Gingrich,Romney,Scott Brown the Contract for America!! Things that got us into trouble the first time. He needs to read more too. His eyes have been blinded by the people he works for. Wonder did he ever check out Rupert Murdock? I have nothing bad to say about anyone that makes their mark on life and a free market but, don’t give me a sad story on how you came up in the ranks without a boost somewhere. Social Conservative isn’t anything social what we are fighting against? Where did I get My info? The night on Hannity when he was interviewing Fred Thompson in May 2010. Somewhere around the 10th thru the 21st.

  • Joyce

    THE RULING BY OBAMA AND HIS CZARS, PUPPETS AND OUTRIGHT THUGS AND CROOKS RUNNING THIS GOVERNMENT SCREAMS…COMMUNISM!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.hotmail.com marylou

    We have a REPUBLIC,that’s fact. ( It has nothing to do with democrats or republicans).
    Of course OBAMA is a socialist! He stated that he wanted to share the wealth! That’s your hard earned paycheck, folks! THE GOVT. has NO money that they don’t scam from you first, called taxes. You have NO control over what they do with YOUR money. They can raise taxes as high as they want to support ILLEGAL ALIENS, force you to support all bailouts. They call it a stimulus. It stimulates zilch but to grab more of your money and freedoms. Wake up! Time to vote these money grabbing, socialist
    elected officials out of office. The GOVT. that promises you everything
    does it with YOU. THAT FOLKS IS SOCIALISM LOUD AND CLEAR! HEED THE WARNING AND VOTE THEM OUT IN NOVEMBER.

  • JC

    He is a “Corporatist a Muslim and an Imposter”. I have no problem with his religion other than the “kill all the infidels” part, it’s his complete lack of honesty that makes him so completely despicable.

  • Al Sieber

    Sounds like we’re headed towards a Fascist state(already there) where the Govt. controls everything. over regulation and more revenue for the state. just continuing where Bush left off, the N.W.O. agenda.

  • American Liberal

    No President Obama isn’t a socialist….when Wallstreet proved they couldn’t be trusted not to steal and cheat someone that we’ve ” elected ” to run our government has to make a decision how to reign in wallstreet that left unregulated choose to steal by selling bad investiments they knew were bad .. It’s fraud…and fraud is aginst the law….a society has to have rules and regulations and so does business…look at BP.. Their was a regulation in place that required a safety valve… They choose to ignore the regulation to save money.. Again, greed.. So we have to have an authority that makes sure regulations are followed… If you want to call any government in business socialism then go ahead… But it’s no diffrentbthan law enforcement enforcing laws and regulations….most of the people on this site try and use names like socialist , communist, Muslim to demean President Obama… Abd most of these people don’t even know the meaning of these labels…. It’s usually republicans that want Deregulation… Over and over again Wallstreet , big oil and banks have proven if left unregulated eventually they or somebody that feels nobodys watching will take advantage abd get greedy ( steal) it happens everytime….as far as Obamas , most of the people on this site are calling the bailout bills Obamas spending… Be honest for just a minute… The bailout are an attemt to bring back the economy… It’s not spending to promote some socialist agenda….. So if Obama is a socialist , doesn’t that also make President a socialist andbthe republicans that went along with the bailout bill that Bush signed?

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL

    You have two families: “Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”. Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California .

    Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

    Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

    Ready? Now pay attention…

    Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

    Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200…00.

    Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.

    Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

    Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.

    Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

    Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

    Jose Illegal says, “We don’t need no stinkin’ insurance!” and still has $31,200.00.

    Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.

    Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.

    Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

    Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

    Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children’s lunches while Jose Illegal’s children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.

    Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

    Do you get it, now?

    If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens You are part of the problem!

    It’s way PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans!

    What are you waiting for? Pass it on.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda

    RIGHT ON WITH YOUR BAD SELF I TOTALLY AGREE HE SCARES ME AND HIS WIFE IS EVEN MORE EVIL IF THAT COULD BE POSSIBLE.

  • Joel Kruskie

    You’re on the right track JC but there is more!

  • Sidewinder

    JC, thats like saying all White men are Klu Klux Klan.

    With your blanket statement concerning muslims, you draw no distinction between individual viewpoints amoung muslims. Much like with Christianity, there are those who take a fundamentalist and quite literal viewpoint. Thats ok, until they add misinterpretation into the mix.

    There are extremists on the fringes in everything.

    The key to getting along is respect and making at least SOME attempt to understand anothers viewpoint…
    Although we all have out limits I must admit…

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda

    DO NOT COMPARE THAT THING TO BUSH BUSH KEPT US SAFE THESE LAST 8 YEARS, OBAMA IS GOING TO GET US KILLED

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Bush stood for a strong U.S., and kept us safe. He sacrificed his popularity to do what needed to be done. He could have just sat there and let them keep blowing things up, ala the guy before him, but he took action, and Im one American who is glad he did. I myself might have been tempted to go Harry Truman on them and make a big sheet of glass, and look around and ask the rest of these terrorists nations if they have any more questions. Or, we can just be pacifists and sit back and let them take us over, like California is being taken over my Mexico. If you dont believe that either, go visit San Diego or Los Angeles. It wont be long where English is the second language, if it isnt allready.

  • Sidewinder

    This was a really good article.
    I have to agree with Ron Paul. I have been looking for signs that Obama is a socialist, but I never could find any solid evidence.
    That should come as good news. Coming from such a highly respected man as Congressman Paul, for me it carries some real weight. Ron Paul, perhaps the smartest man in Congress, has been very accurate in his assessments in the past, from topics ranging from Swine Flu vacinations, the Federal Reserve, to the shape of our dollar. I hold him in the highest regard. He is perhaps one of the very few actually worthy enough to serve in government.

    That supposed socialistic “Take Over” of GM wasn’t what it looked like. GM approached the Federal Government asking for a hand out. And like Uncle Sam always does, he attached terms and conditions to that bail out money. Those terms and conditions, ensured that you, the Tax Payer, would not get stuck with the bill. I wasn’t to keen on the bailouts myself, but I did see the wisdom in it, and was not firmly against it.

    So Obama a socialist? I don’t think so.

    Corporatist? Absolutely.

    President Bush, President Clinton Corportists? Absolutely. Some lean left, some right, both bad.

  • Michael C, Georgia

    Of COURSE it’s possible! Think “Hillary!”

  • Airangel

    You know the last few times I’ve seen Michelle with Obama on TV she has always looked mean or not happy next to him…then yesterday, I just heard on the radio driving into work that National Geographic is offering a million dollars for a shot of Obamba coming out of a hotel room of one of his workers…I didn’t hear her title..(secretary of something) hmmm I don’t think the loveboat couple is all MSNBC makes them out to be…I don’t know what you call him Socialist, Corporatist, Fascist….but I think dishonest and secretive apply…what other American President do we know that has paid millions to have his records sealed???

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    You hit that one out of the park.

  • JC

    Home Run! Hillary is about as evil as they get. That “person” is working hand in hand with the UN to disarm and enslave us all.
    She is a Globalist and completely UN-American.

  • Sidewinder

    You are right on with your comments about Wall Street.
    I too agree that its bad for every one to have a Free for All corporate environment.
    Without laws and regulation, its the Wild West all over again. We know that doesn’t work, because we see the shape we are currently in.

    Deregulation removes the legal obsticles that make certain kinds of fraud illegal. The name of the game for those Bozos is legalized robbery. So yeah, I am supporting Wall Street Reform.
    I can only hope that it doesn’t turn out to be the kind of disaster that Health Care “Reform” ended up as. I hope that Reform doesn’t turn out to be what amounts to a Get out of Jail Free card.

  • Lefty

    You right wing-nuts are so stupid. Just keep on thinking what you are thinking. Rusth Limbaugh and Faux News (We distort–you decide) are the left winger’s best friends. The tea baggers are so screwed up in their thinking and so screwed up in how they talk and what they talk about that they pull the Republican Party in an unrealistic direction that actually diminishes Republican Party appeal to mainstream Americans. Don’t change anything–keep the insanity going. As an Anti-Republican Democrat, I say–thanks.

    Lefty

  • angel-wanna-be

    fascism (usually uncountable; plural fascisms)

    1.A political regime, having totalitarian aspirations, ideologically based on a relationship between business and the centralized government, business-and-government control of the market place, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights.

    In my opinion, the above definition, pretty much sums up the Obama Administration!

  • American Liberal

    Most of the ” labels” are intended to just make the president look bad… Their are rules and laws… Big oil and wallstreet have proven they won’t follow the rule or regulations… So someone has to make sure they do….and that’s why we elect a government….and thats I always favor a democratic government…they favor regulating and making sure the rules are followed… Republicans seem to want wallstreet to do as they please( at our expense)…are democrats on the take? You bet they are…andvwe need to vote those that are out… Just like republicans…..regulations should be called ” laws”… If that’s bigger government, than so be it

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Bush and Clinton neither one were Corporatists, not at all. Bush was a capitalist, which is what makes this country go, free market capitalism. If your good, you succeed, if not you fail, unless the government gets in the way and gives you billions of dollars, ala GM and Chrysler. Clinton, he was just a philanderer, that used his position to get himself as many women as he wanted, and did whatever Hillary told him to on the political scene. He was a mess, white trash with money.

  • JC

    I have to agree, Sidewinder. “The One” is not a Socialist. To be one of those, he would have to hold some sort of political ideology.
    He doesn’t.
    He is an opportunist and an imposter who’s agenda is the destruction of America and the redistribution of it’s wealth.
    And since he’s chosen to hate us and all we stand for…we have to vote him out.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Keep on tuning in to ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC. They almost have you programmed to their perfection of being the blind follower.

  • John

    I feel like your in a trance… “I am a leftie, I watch lies and I like it.”

    Look how well is that socialistic Greece working out… Were headed there, and it will not be long until we cannot afford the handouts. We should divide up the country in two parts. Those of us who want to work for what we get, and those who want handouts. We will completely sever ties, The Righties will be EAST of the Mississippi, and the Lefties West of the Mississippi. (It makes sence Right and Left on a map) BUILD A 100′ TALL WALL BETWEEN US. Give each group 20 years, let us see who is BEGGING for money from the wealthy Right Wing nut jobs. The Lefties long ago would have run out of money, living in card-bard boxes…

    John

  • JeffH

    The nice thing about “Lefty” is when there is nothing “left” to say, just call everyone names. That really supports the ideas of the “lefty” movement.

  • kate8

    Lefty, if you had anything of value to say you would not always need to be so rude, derogatory and nasty. That seems to be just how you “leftys” are. You just seek to stop debate with name-calling, and that is just so incredibly juvenile.

    I stopped reading liberal posts awhile back for that reason. I read yours by accident. That kind of rhetoric is just irritating and a waste of time to read.

    It amazes me that you libs like to portray conservatives as being ignorant hot-heads, when it is people like you who are so without class and substance that you can’t state your opinion without being derisive and angry. It’s fruitless to try to have a discussion with those who are completely devoid of respect for those with whom they disagree. I, for one, am just tired of it.

  • RICH KEENE

    BUSH/OBAMA, OBAMA/BUSH, BOTH ARE LOSERS! GET RID OF THE PUPPET MASTERS, LIKE SOROS AND HIS ILK AND GET BACK TO BASICS. WE SHALL OVERCOME!

  • American Liberal

    Just 1 more point… Our economy isn’t capitalism anymore….I don’t even know how to label it…. It’s more like ” get what you can, while you can”…and I still believe beyond a doubt that 4 decades of Reaganomics destroyed our captalist economy….deregulation does not work… Proof?.. Check your 401k, the value of your homes and the cost of living compared to your wages…. We’ve gone from favoring the American worker to favoring Wallstreet…. That was this countrys economic downfall

  • Jz

    To Doc it’s true you can replace the word “government” with “the people” so the government is really just the people deciding what to do and that makes everything sound fine, but the problem is that people forget that in issues of liberty when dealing with other people they can’t vote themselves rights and powers as a group that as individuals they don’t have. For examples see http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

  • Ms Ramona

    Please , take note that we the people are not the government. The government was created to do certain tasks. The rest is left to the states and the people. We are the private sector.
    Get out your Constitution, read it carefully and then read the writings of our founding fathers. Understand where we came from and know our roots. It is part of the key to our future.

  • Jackie

    I dissagree with G.W. Bush being the worst president! He was and is a good christian man with christian morals, he did a pretty good job except for the spending. Obama is not a christian man, he has spent way more than President Bush did already than the 8 years under President Bush. Clinton did nothing in responce to the several attack’s on us from the radical muslim’s and by Obama’s own mouth said he is a muslim, he said we are not a christian nation, most of the people that has been in his life are and were the opposit of conservative/libertarian/center. If we turn away from God, God will trun away from us. My prayers are for all of us, I pray this administration will stop spending us into bankruptcy, We the people will, Faith Hope Charity If any of you think that we are the greatest nation on earth because of us I fee sorry for you This country was given to us from God, This is Gods nation and we are expected to do right by Him!!! What is Obama???

  • chuck b

    A History lesson.

    Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/ gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.

    The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalysts for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:

    1 . Liberals, and

    2. Conservatives.

    Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That’s how villages were formed.

    Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement . . .

    Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ’s and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.

    Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. Those became known as girlie-men. Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.

    Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.

    Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare . . . Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn’t fair to make the pitcher also bat.

    Conservatives drink domestic beer . They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, engineers, corporate executives, athletes, members of the military, airline pilots and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

    Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans . . . That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America . They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.

  • Jackie

    I agree with you, Peace Be With You

  • Average Joe

    To be sovereign means to be “self governing”…therefore We the People “ARE” the government. Also, read the first amendment to the Constitution….the last line in particular:

    “and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”.
    That means…they must answer…to us.

    Article 1 Sec. 8 spells out what the Federal government is allowed to do…other than 17 distinctly enumerated powers….they have none…everything else is to be left up to the states and to the people.

  • American Liberal

    Jeffh and Barb remind me of the people who say…. Their can’t be any global warming … Because it snowed this winter……. Not even taking into account that last March was the warmest March ever recorded… Even though it snowed ” somewhere”..

  • Al Sieber

    RICH KEENE, I agree with you 100%. it’s just a Democrat and Repub. dog and pony show. it makes no difference who’s in. thats why we argue with each other. we’re divided by religion, race, politics etc. united we stand, divided we fall. right now we’re not united on many issues.

  • John

    WHOO HOO!!! Someone got it…

  • Jeep

    Maybe I missed something in my civics class…but, I thought we elected to govt to follow Constitutional guidelines. Maybe I missed the part where I hired a babysitter with my vote.

  • John

    It actually sounds to me you are buying into the class warfare that Obama and the Dems are pushing… The bad walstreet people Those Elitists that take Big Bonus’ payouts…

    Keep in mind that a government employee makes a TON more money than a non government employee doing the same job, in some instances almost double… Then you add their health care, and their cushy pensions… This war is not between the Rich & Poor, or the Haves and Have-not’s. It is about the Private vs the public sector… Government is taking over everything, it now outpaces Manufacturing jobs…

    Pres. Obama and the Democrats have no idea how a dollar is “Made” That is our problem. They (notably Pres. Obama) never worked a real job his entire life, the only accomplishments in the private sector may be Professor, or student, beyond that he has always been in public office. What does that tell me? He has NO IDEA ABOUT ECONOMICS.

  • Kim McGough

    That is the smartest thing that I have read from you. The voters need a good weed eater at election time. We can argue about any and every president, but never can people agree. There is some good and some bad in them all. Most politicians start out honest, but then the power and money blind them. One thing is for sure you can not spend your way out of debt. On the other hand you can not run a government without spending alot of money. There is plenty of blame too go around. Call things as they are on both sides and in the middle, government, corprate america, union bosses, they are out for the almighty greenback. Here is an ideal, we quit feeding the people of all the countries that hate us, quit sending them billions in foreign aid, let them kill each other off, put up the fence and line it on this side with machine guns,(no more illegals) and just think of ourselves, but you know everyone would still hate us no matter what, and worst of all we would still be calling everyone we don’t like or agree with names. WE can no longer take middle ground, it has to be left or right and if someone does’t agree then we hate them and what they stand for. It is great to have this freedom, but isn’t terrible that people have different opionions of what is right or wrong. So how do we come together on anything. I don’t don’t feel that anyone wants to! It does take some government control, but too much ruins a country, and that has been going on for years. You know it is the senate and house that actually rule and needs to be split egually down the middle to get anything done that really is good for this country, and they are the ones that really are taking us over the edge. You can blame Bush, Clinton, Obama, Reagen, or any of the others, but the mix in D.C. Is the most dangerous that we have ever had. And if something is not done soon it will be goodbye USA as weve known it. One world government and money just around the bend all headed by the UN or China.

  • Ben Goodin

    Bush allowed the biggest terrorist attack on American soil, 911, to happen. He didn’t keep us safe. He got us involved in an immoral and unjust war which really destroyed our credibility and support throughout the world.

  • Al Sieber

    Bush also gave us the Patriot Act(which Obama just renewed) the Military Commissions Act, pd.51 and a whole slew of unconstitutional executive orders. Obama has the same plan. to figure out why alot of this is happening check out “The Project For A New American Century”.

  • Anthony

    Linda -

    Oh, Linda (tap tap tap) wake up honey… C’mon, it’s time to go to work.
    Get up girl… no more being Sheeple. BUSH 2 “is” a part of the NWO.

    Even if Bush 2 didn’t want to – he cannot run away from NWO. His Daddy is one of the implementors.

    YOUR JOB, people, is to go online as much as possible and look for any and all videos related to the New World Order – then, try and poke holes in the evidence presented. If you can, that is.

    Heck, Grandpappy Prescott Bush was a part of THE FEDERAL RESERVE.

    Trust me, it isn’t about Left/Right – it never has been.
    That’s just the propaganda the CFR has been selling ever since they started buying up all Media back during Eisenhower’s terms.

  • denniso

    J C…you’re showing your foolish side again. You don’t help your argument at all w/ such absurd comments. You can do better than that.

  • TIME

    So, Dennis whats wrong with what JC posted all he did was he pointed out the “TRUTH,” – or is it you just can’t handle the truth?

    Like most twinkie puff balls you love the sizzel – but can’t handle the steak.

  • JC

    Really denniso? Which part is inaccurate? Hillary has committed the Obama administration to “Work hand in glove with the UN” to get every gun in the world registered. Hitler and Stalin would be so proud.
    Get your head out of the clouds.

  • denniso

    Guns being registered are not guns taken away…why do you people insist on warping the truth and even twisting what you say yourself?
    Should we say lie?

  • denniso

    ‘And enslave us’??? How’s that? So in your mind if you have to register a gun then you are enslaved? Idiotic statement!! I’ve not owned a gun for 40 yrs and I’m probably freer than you are.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    dennislow,
    must I remind you that the twenty years that you weren’t even a gleam in your daddies eye don’t count???? and you can’t own one till you are twenty one!! so I guess that explains why YOU haven’t owned one!!!!

  • JC

    Good Lord denniso are you new to this planet? read some bloody history if you want to answer your own stupid question.
    Registration is the precursor to confiscation.

  • DaveH

    Dumniso,
    Gun registration is the first step towards gun confiscation. It’s been repeated throughout modern history.
    Just like crossing the street without watching for cars is the first step to getting run over. You wouldn’t cross the street without looking both ways would you, Dumniso? Well, you are a Liberal. Maybe you would.

  • JC

    Exactly right Dave. Registration has never been used for anything but confiscation. It serves absolutely no other purpose.

  • Sidewinder

    Hillery is serving Saten maybe? LOL!!

    I don’t like her, but this is getting silly…

  • Sidewinder

    But with guns….I have to agree with JC.
    No registration.
    Why does the government need to know who has guns anyway?

    With our reckless use of the military, I think its the Federal Government who cannot be trusted with guns.

  • denniso

    OK smart guys…’registration is the precursor to confiscation’??

    Do any of you own a car that is registered w/ the state? Probably.
    Has the state confiscated any of your cars? No.

    Any questions? Registration does not lead to confiscation. You people are paranoid and living in a fantasy world.

  • DaveH

    Okay, Dumb Guy, I mean, Dumniso:

    Germany: Guns registered in 1928 and confiscated in 1938.
    Russia: Guns registered in 1918 and confiscated in 1926.
    China: Guns registered in 1914 and confiscated in 1935.
    England: Guns registered in 1921 and confiscated in 1997.
    ALso happened in Australia, New Zealand, and many other places.
    And now Canada:
    http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6902

  • DaveH

    You know, Dumniso, if I was a Liberal I would be trying to silence you, because you are making them look bad with your childish comments.

  • JC

    I see denniso, now you want to compare a mode of transportation to a means of self defense. That shows me that you have no idea of the significance of the difference. Cars = convenience. Guns = Life and Liberty.
    Are you really that simple that you can’t get your head around the difference?

  • denniso

    Silly me…here i’ve believed what the gun lovers have been say for yrs now, that guns are nothing more nor less than tools…tools like axes,knives, shovels. Now youre telling me that guns are special and different than all other tools? SO, they aren’t just tools anymore?

  • JC

    You really are a moron. Take a look at history. When and where has gun registration ever served the purpose of keeping people safe?
    Hitler used registration to confiscate. Hitler was safer for it. Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Mao Tse Tung, Fidel Castro and more all used registration as the road to confiscation. Period.
    There is no eveidence anywhere on this planet (except perhaps in your mind) that registration has ever kept anyone any safer other than the tyrants. I know, it’s a big concept and way over your head. So why don’t you sit down shut up and lick your ice cream cne and leave
    the job of maintaining liberty and freedom to those that know what it means?

  • denniso

    J C…why more name calling? Can’t you figure out that it doesn’t help your case and it doesn’t drive me away?

    We’ve been through this many times before…every country in the world w/ more controls on guns has fewer murders than we do, w/ the most guns of any country on earth. The only exception is Mexico for the last couple of yrs because of their open drug war going on and the thousands of guns being smuggled into Mexico from our very country.

    Now, what don’t you understand about that?

  • Anthony

    Denniso -
    The lowest murder rate (around guns) is in Wyoming.
    The same State where they are sitll allowed to wear them John Wayne style.

    If you had bothered to pay attention during Katrina – and not just MSM teleprompter commentary, either… You would have found out about GiveThemBack.org. The website was very clear, with youtube style videos showing the Cops confiscating guns in New Orleans from the non-criminals. 10 minutes later, the real criminals come in and rob everyone. TRUE STORY.

    When real gun confiscation happens, only Cops & Criminals will have them. As it is, the cops down there had no intention of chasing the criminals. Over half of the Police Force in that City ran outta town before half the flood was in the City – they ALL split. So much for Civil Service.

  • denniso

    Why don’t you answer the point I made?? All countries w/ more stringent gun control have fewer murders than we do…why, if guns make us safer is that the case? We have anywhere from triple to five times as many murders as other countries. Why? We also have far more guns than all the other countries.

  • American Liberal

    Jackie… You are correct that They did use the contracts as their excuse to collect those bonuses….it’s my opinion that the fraud they admitted committing should have nullified any contract concerning a bonus..

  • George Halepis

    The problem is that we don’t have capitalism. Big Business is not capitalism. It is able to do what it does because the politicians are too happy to get in bed with it. It’s called fascism.

  • Sidewinder

    In a big way American Liberal, its Mafia style capitalism. The big guys merge and corner the market. Seems like racketeering to me.
    Just look how big pharma makes war on nutritional supplements. And how the Medical Industry makes war on alternative health. How the energy companies went after they guy who was trying to market the Super Heat Pump.

    This is not the case with small business. But the largest industries.

  • Sidewinder

    Thank you, deregulation brought us Enron.

    Deregulation keeps criminals out of prison.

  • Al Sieber

    Amer. Lib., you forgot to add that we haven’t had a free market in probably 25-years. all business and industry is regulated to the max, you can’t do anything with out raising your hand, yeah! I’d say its FACISM.

  • Judy

    Obama is not a socialist – he is a MARXIST — Much worse Look at the history of Karl Marx. Many people in this country do not know their history – you know the story – you don’t know history it WILL repeat! We have lots of work to do before the next election in November. Time to clean house.

  • angel-wanna-be

    Beberoni, I said this before, but I have an Aunt and Uncle in San Diego, and for years, they could not store anything outside of they’re home, in they’re garage or hang clothes on the the line to dry, if they did, everything was gone by morning.vI have a widowed Aunt in New Mexico, she on the other hand, never spoke about anything being stolen.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Bush kept us safe? Do you forget the horrors of 9/11? What an insult to those families.

    Then he sent our troops to where the terrorists were not Iraq and proceeded to have American soldiers kill and be killed where the battle should not have gone.

    How soon people forget.

  • Sidewinder

    Beberoni says:
    May 7, 2010 at 7:25 am
    Bush stood for a strong U.S., and kept us safe. He sacrificed his popularity to do what needed to be done.

    OK Beberoni You need to read this. Please read the whole post. Stay with me.

    I have promised myself that I would respect other’s opinions, especially opinions that I do not agree with. I am trying to be nice. I have 2 hot button issues that set me off, one of which I will cover here.

    Stay with me.

    “Bush kept us safe” Is no different than trading Liberty for Safety.

    My dad……he’s white, his ancestores came to America in colonial times, is a BioChemist. He ran his own bio tech lab in the 70′s and 80′s, employed over 100 people, had contracts with the federal government, has testified before Congress. He’s a good guy. Never been arrested, never been in trouble. He’s not very political. And he loves America.

    He’s now retired. And in his spare time, he writes articles for a Law Enforcement publication on topics such as Bio Terrorism. He is paid for these articles by his editor. He has an FBI contact that he consults with as well.

    His FBI contact has told him that while researching various aspects of Bio Terrorism, that my dad has clicked on some websites, research sites, that have been Red Flagged by Home Land Security.

    Now my dad is on a Federal Terrorist Watchlist. Nice huh?
    Theres no way to get him off the list.

    Being on that Watchlist, I can only assume means that they are watching him. Looking through his bank records, medical records, listening in on his phone calls, reading his emails. Isn’t that what watching someone would entail?

    There is a massive spy apparatus in operation in the United States. You don’t see it, you don’t hear it. But it is there, I can assure you. Even your employer could be a part of it, reporting on their own employees whom they feel have strange political views. Google Infraguard.

    What is wrong with a system that makes no attempt to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys? And I have to ask myself why they set it up that way.
    Aside from my dad having his 4th Amendment Rights raped, How else has he been violated?
    This is Bush’s America? To live in fear?

    This is not right, this is not American.

    How many others are on those lists and don’t even know it? What other sites have been Red Flagged by Home Land Security? Are you so sure YOU are not on a watchlist?

    Also American Airlines Flight 11, Flight Attendent Amy Sweeny, formally Amy Todd, who was the first voice to call in to the FAA, and report the highjacking, was my childhood nextdoor neighbor, I knew her since kindergarden. Wonderful person. I still need an explanation as to the Thermite residue found at the WTC site.

    Take the blinders off Berberoni. Get a clue.

  • angel-wanna-be

    Ben G, and if Bush would’ve done nothing after 9/11, you would find that wrong too. BUSH DIDN’T ALLOW US TO BE ATTACKED, WE WE’RE ATTACKED_period!
    I suppose it would have been in good taste, to ignore the attack and do nothing? Think about what your saying?

  • Save America Susie

    Ben, I don’t think “W” Bush has super-natural powers like Superman, contrary to what you may have heard….”W” could NOT have stopped 9/11, when he didn’t even see it coming. He was clueless like the rest of us. He was only in office 8 months. Plus, Congress and the U.N. APPROVED his war powers by the vote, and we finally went to war 2 years later. It was not a sudden thing. Where were all the detractors then? Bush had approval, unlike Bill Clinton who went to war in Bosnia, etc. WITHOUT approval of the Congress or the U.N.. No Libs were upset with that. Both involved genocide. Even before “W” left as Gov.in Texas, (before he stepped foot in the White House) many already had announced the WMD thing as truth. Check your verification sites like truthorfiction.com . There is a big list of famous politicians quotes. Turns out: “W” was a Johnny-come-lately on the WMD bandwagon. He just went on the info he had given to him. If we had not gone to war in Iraq, more people may have be dead by way of Sadam Hussein’s reign of terror, or civil war over there between the sects. Sadam had killed 10,000 of his own people years before. They have been fighting each other for 100′s of years. A case could be made for even 1000′s of years concerning their ancestors. SADLY, we have NEVER had a time in history where there was not war.

  • JC

    And oddly Ben, GWB’s own brother Max was in charge of security at the towers at the time. Weird?

  • JeffH

    Need more be said…Obama’s radical friends included Tony Rezko, Reverend Wright, Louis Farrakhan, William Ayers, Bernardine Rae Dohrn, Frank Marshall Davis, Rashid Khalidi, Father Michael Pfleger, George Soros and who could forget Michelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama.

    Seems to be a pretty solid list of radicals throughout his life.

  • American Liberal

    Judy.. Ok… You believe President Obamas a Marxist abd not a socialist…. So can you please tell me what he’s done that leads you to conclude that he’s a Marxist… Your opinion… Not a site .. Thankx

  • American Liberal

    You need to post some facts… If you think he’s a communist… Give me an example….aside from the healthcare bill ,where’s all the socialism ….you people just make these accusations and leave it there…. I want to know how you think he’s destroying this country….economy?.. You may not agree that he’s helped the economy but unless you just want to flatout lie you have to admitt things have improved ..

  • American Liberal

    Star…Obama wants to destroy America because?… Why would his agenda be to destroy the country his children live in…?Star… I bet you listen to Rush and Glenn Beck..

  • Jaeger

    If Obama isn’t a socialist why does he surround himself with socialists, specifically in his group of czars? Socialism is merely government ownership of the means of production and control of distribution. What does that mean? Think Chrysler or GM when the government took control with the “bail-out” money, then forced the reduction in the numbers of Chrysler and GM dealerships all over the US. wouldn’t that be called socialism?
    As far as socialism “controlling the economy, not the people, how do you control the people? By controlling the economy!
    When “W” Bush was president, the last two years of his presidency, (2006 – 2008) the Democrats had control of Congress, of which Barak Hussein Obama was the junior senator from Illinois. Congress has to approve all expenditures including any “bailouts” or “stimulus”spending. You only have to remember a little over a year ago to see how the Democratic “super majority” have mocked the Constitution during the “stimulus” package votes, ie., voting on the unbelievable expenditure of taxpayer money without reading the entire bill. If your memory doesn’t go back that far, then try to remember the Legalized bribery by the president, in order to shove the Obamacare bill down our throats. Another bill voted on without reading it.

  • American Liberal

    My opinion is that President Obama is a moderate that leans more right than i’d like….and I think a lot of liberals I know agree with that….. He’s carried on far to many of Bushs policys for my liking.and.. The healthcare bill needs the single payer option… So i don’t think the bill goes nearly far enough…. Also, Iraq.. I would have liked the troops taken out faster….Iraqs never going to be the utopia Bush and Cheney told us…. And I think Obamas tried to please the republicans far to much…after they made it very clear their only agenda was his failure he should have given up on them…no matter what he does they will take the opposite position , even on ideas they introduced .. They’re aginst it if Obama agrees with it…but I belive Obama is light years better than any republican, conservative or liberarian outthere …this economic failure is reaganomics … When have you ever seen the rich at the top trickle down anything to the middleclass… Never… They just grab more….middleclass wages have been stagnet for over a decade… While the rich have never made more than during the last 4 decades…

  • American Liberal

    Their is no real republican party today… They’ve been hijacked by hardcore neo conservative Radicals….these aren’t the republicans your fathers supported..

  • JeffH

    January 2013

    One sunny day in January, 2013 an old man approached the White

    House from across Pennsylvania Avenue , where he’d been

    sitting on a park bench. He spoke to the U.S. Marine

    standing guard and said, “I would like to go in and meet

    with President Obama.”

    The Marine looked at the man and said, “Sir, Mr. Obama is no

    longer president and no longer resides here.”

    The old man said, “Okay”, and walked away.

    The following day, the same man approached the White House and

    said to the same Marine, “I would like to go in and meet

    with President Obama.”

    The Marine again told the man, “Sir, as I said yesterday, Mr.

    Obama is no longer president and no longer resides here.”

    The man thanked him and, again, just walked away.

    The third day, the same man approached the White House and spoke

    to the very same U.S. Marine, saying “I would like to go in

    and meet with President Obama.”

    The Marine, understandably agitated at this point, looked at the

    man and said, “Sir, this is the third day in a row you have

    been here asking to speak to Mr. Obama. I’ve told you

    already that Mr. Obama is no longer the president and no

    longer resides here. Don’t you

    understand?”

    The old man looked at the Marine and said, “Oh, I understand.

    I just love hearing it.”

    The Marine snapped to attention, saluted, and said, “See you

    tomorrow, Sir.”

  • JeffH

    Judy, if I may intercede here. May I suggest that you don’t owe American Liberal or anybody else an explanations of your thoughts.

    The liberals will try to engage you to put you in a defensive posture which is what Am Lib is attempting to do to you. If you don’t answer him, he will search for another “victim” or just leave to come back another time.

  • Al Sieber

    Amer. Lib., just goggle the “Ten Planks Of The Communist Manifesto” that will tell you what a Marxist is, then compare with Obama.

  • Barb

    American Liberal, and I use that term extremely loosely, your inane and insane opinion is so far out there we couldn’t accept it even if we wanted to. AND I assure no one with a grain of a brain would agree with you! All your posts on this subject have been off the wall today. You just love to stir things up and sacrifice yourself for your cause don’t you. It’s sad, your cause isn’t worth your time and effort! However Ayers and Alinsky would be proud of you wouldn’t they?

  • JLC

    American Liberal, if the Pretender To The Throne is truly a moderate who leans further right than you would like, God help us should you — or someone like you — ever have the reins in his hands!

  • George Halepis

    Why did 9/11 happen? Why did Japan attack Pearl Harbor? Think about it.

  • Jana

    angel-wanna-be,
    Exactly. Just like Bush got lambasted by the leftist media for not going into Louisianna sooner, and that was NOT his call to make, it was the GOVERNORS call, but no, according to the lamestream media Bush even caused the hurricane. Now, the shoe is on the other foot and Obama did not react as he should have on the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, but Mr. Perfect can do no wrong according to the LSM.
    Obama doesn’t react in a timely manner about anything detrimental to the United States and is still in the habit of blaming Bush for everything. He is a narcistic personality, a Socialist and an Anti American. He stands up and shouts it in most all of his many many speeches.
    I have no problems of calling it like it is. We need to stand up and shout it out to wake up the still sleeping Americans, of which we still have way too many sleeping Americans. These are the ones that are too busy working and raising a family to get involved, but they need to be informed.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Please, what media outlet Ever said Bush caused the hurricane?

  • Jana

    doc sarvis,
    I was being facetious.
    But they did blame him for 9/11.

  • Jeep

    Doc,

    What rock were you hiding under in 2005? ABC ran a series of why Buch should be blamed, Gore announced that Bush was at fault on Sept 12, 2005 and the Clinton machine through Blumenthal inferred Bush that Bush was responsible. Of course, all this was reported in the “responsible” media. Heck, Spike Lee even made a movie about it and blamed Bush. Do I need to go on?

    However, September 2005 a real president by the name of Bush stood up and took responsibility for the failures in dealing with the disaster. Now can you really see this clown Obama doing the same? I can’t. But, I can see him blaming someone else.

  • Jana

    Jeep,
    What Obama does best, blame others and campaign. Hmmm and both are full of lies.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Jeep,
    I was never under any rock and my contention stands that no media outlet Ever blamed Bush for the hurricane. Now I will admit that he was blamed, correctly in my opinion, for several of the mistakes in response to the hurricane.

  • annnort

    I agree with you.

  • John

    G.H.W. Bush, Yes, Capitalist… G.W.Bush II not so much GW Bush was a RINO, at least during the last several years… I think he did many things right, but he perpetuated our problems, The republicans allowed it as well, When the Dems took over Congress (House & Senate) in 2006, that just accelerated the train… Too much coal in the furnace box, not enough water in the boiler… Now our boiler is about to explode… We need to get some balance back in Washington… If we stay Democrat in 2010, we are going to be like Greece in a few years.. All the Unions will break and be boycotting our government…

    John

  • Sidewinder

    Corporatism has the outward form of capitalism in that it preserves private ownership and private management.

    Unlike socialism, corporatism understands that direct government ownership of the means of production does not work, except in the limiting case of infrastructure. But it does not represent a half-way condition between capitalism and socialism. Corporatism blends socialism and capitalism not by giving each control of different parts of the economy, but by combining socialism’s promise of a government-guaranteed flow of material goods with capitalism’s private ownership and management.

    Read Confessions of an Economic Hitman. The very fact we use our military to advance American corporations is the surest sign that this is a Corportist state.

  • Sidewinder

    Blabaloney…America is a Corportist state. It chooses its leaders carefully. You get a choice of lefty corportist or righty corportist.

    There are no real difference between the parties. They serve special interest. Not you.

    And when the time comes they will use the military to further America’s corporate interests. Why do you think Venezuela was in the cross hairs? Iraq? These enemys, they all sit on top of oil reserves. We don’t intend on stealing the oil, but we do want to move in and set up shop, and exploit it and other natural resources. Chavez says no.
    Usually they die in an accident when they say no to us. Or if the Jackals can’t get them, then the Marines will.
    So far so good for Hugo Chavez.
    When his people want freedom from communism, let them fight for it. Only then, unlike the Iraqis, they will truely appreciate what they have.

  • Airangel

    Sorry it was National Enquirer and woman was Vera Baker…I was driving through construction so looked it up from work…I had just wondered if something was up because Michelle just always looks mean that last few times I’ve seen here with OB

  • Pat R

    I was surprised to learn of the involvement with Vera; I thought he was only involved with Reggie Love and others!!!

  • Jana

    Have you heard the lastest news? The Muslim Islamists are going to build a 100 million dollar mosque in place of the building that was damaged on 9/11 right next to the World Trade Center in New York.
    Great, just what we need to help build Islam and American relations.

  • JeffH

    Heh heh! Not buying today! It’s more about the exposure…heh heh!

  • JLC

    How did Global Warming get into the argument?

  • Joel Kruskie

    Am lib
    he’s not serving this country he’s destroying it!

  • Joel Kruskie

    AM LIB,
    I sense you are SELF DESTRUCTING!

  • Star

    Everyone keeps dancing around the facts of who Obama is and who he isn’t… In my book the Emperor has no clothes, and little boy lost is playing King. He is a puppet for the shadow government bent on breaking down American under the gize that it’s for your own good.
    Unfortunately we’ve elected the enemy who has taken over our country, and he is ramming through policies intended to fail. He doesn’t care what we call him, socialist, fascist, or radical extremist… He’s on a mission to destroy… If you want to know who someone is, look at their friends, and who they are bowing to… Likes attract likes…But, in the end, perhaps he is doing us a favor, because he is forcing us to wake up and really see what’s going on in the world and those planned agendas that try to control us.

  • JeffH

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

  • Barb

    You are so right Jeff!

  • skywolf23

    keep the powder dry.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

    the constant eroding of personal and property rights, the eroding of the american economy, the spending of our children into oblivion, the constant overstep of federal authority as outlined under the constitution, the constant and willful disreguard for the will of the people.

    now its not just barack hussein obama but the totality of the federal government republican and democrat, that has continued to dig a deeper ditch that our children will pay for. we have had decades of assault on the will of the constitution, the will of the people, the tyrrany of the minority over the majority.

    tell me where in the coming decades will all the money we need to fix all the messes that federal government has created come from? how much will our children and grandchildren suffer to pay off the debt that we have collected under both parties. or do we just not give a damn as long as we can live our lives with social security medicare and national health?

    there is no excuse for the gross selling out of our nation to special interests, to foreign bodies that seek to oversee what we can and cannot do. to tell us what to think, what to eat, what to smoke or not to smoke, what we can drink, if we can own firearms, if we can buy mcdonalds, and we will tax and regulate you into submission for anything we do not approve of.

    meanwhile we of the united states congress are exempt of most of there systems, because they are good enough for you but not good enough for us. we are above you and we are above the law, we can lie, cheat and steal and you will tolerate it. because you are all sheep and stupid.

    does anything your modern day government do say or act upon ring at all in accordence with the declaration of independence? the consittution of the united states, or the bill of rights?

  • American Liberal

    You republicans are complaining about spending( that you caused) .. Then in the next breath complaining that Obama hasn’t spent all the money?…. don’t you think that makes you sound real stupid?…

  • Save America Susie

    I have NEVER seen Michelle look happy EVER, except for a magazine pose when she was forced to smile. Just my personal experience. She said in the past she believed: “America is one mean country.” That’s Stereotyping. I am sure Michelle has smiled before, but the American people just have not seen it. She is not a very public First Lady.

  • kate8

    I think they keep her away from the cameras. She can’t seem to keep her foot out of her mouth.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    Airangel,
    I heard she was upset because of all the attention he was giving Oprah!!!! Mama-in-law doesn’t like it either!!!

  • Anthony

    Kate8 is completely right – click link below -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLDHDfPNBME

    Even da first half-black Pres wants to be JFK…. WOW

  • Kim McGough

    Have you ever seen anything that works out as planned in government. No one bill can stand alone it has to have little pets attached to it. Take a look back over the years, equal rights, that violate someone else, to protect the others rights. The WIC program for our children, and how corprate america raised the prices of everything involved. Obama’s tobacco tax, for the kids so that they can’t afford to smoke($24.00) per ounce. Makes the government drug dealers or just about as bad. Health care, have to have insurance or be fined by the IRS, $1500, per person. They just can’t get it right!

  • JC

    Sidewinder, if fraud and market manipulation (price fixing) are illegal then it should be a problem for Justice Courts…not Government. We’ve already seen what happens when the corporations and government get together to “regulate” money.
    I say put them in a court of justice and if they are guilty give them a sentence that corresponds to the value of the crime.
    That ought to straighten their crooked asses out.

  • Kim McGough

    Hey Lefty is long gone and no hope left for him

  • Anthony

    Berberoni – read this – http://www.whoownsthenews.com/

    Feel free to bring proof to the opposite.

  • JeffH

    JLC, it’s using the classic Alinsky tactic of ” change means disorganization”.

  • DaveH

    No, I think it makes you look stupid. How do you know they’re Republicans? Why must name-calling be part of most of your comments?

  • RicSeag

    At last!

    The clear voice of truth!

  • JC

    Yep! Economic Fascism = Economic Slavery.
    Audit the Fed.

  • JeffH

    OMG chuck b, that was great…I can’t stop admiring this lesson in history. The accuracy of it all is astounding.

  • Save America Susie

    Pretty funny!

  • rjg

    Hi Chuck B

    Don’t you think that may be a tad simplistic?

    Many important Scientists, Mathematicians and history’s other important thinkers have had liberal tendencies. This would include Albert Einstein, Robert Oppenheimer, Alan Turing, Richard Feynman, Bertrand Russel, Nikola Tesla and many others. Can you imagine modern life without calculus, classic physics, quantum physics, computer science, the periodic table, laws of electromagnetism and all these other ideas that came out of the minds of these “non hunter girlie men(and women of course)” as you refer to them? Of course you cannot imagine it because we would still be living in caves.

    My point is not to say that Liberals are better than Conservatives only to state that clearly Liberals have contributed to society! There is no one that lives completely independent of these ideas, and the people who gave these ideas to the world(or their estates) do not receive a dime from you or me so I guess we are all receiving handouts on some level!

    If you are interested in the importance of mathematics to society there is a great book called ‘Euclids Window’

    Cheers

  • JC

    Dead On!

  • Mick for thought

    So lets reform immigration so Jose can pay taxes when he gets paid more and get him off the welfare dole. Did you say something about cracking down on the American business man who hired Jose because he could pay him less without any benefits or workman’s compensation coverage?

  • denniso

    Have you heard the lates news, that is if you listen to news about science? There is now evidence backing up my theory that ‘modern’ humans bred w/ Neanderthal man. I’ve thought for a while now that we can explain the existence of violent,overly agressive people in society by the blood line from Neanderthals, the more primitive humans. Some people are the essence of virtual sainthood, while others are so brutal and animal like that we swear they can’t even be human…a throwback to neanderthals could explain it. Sure a little simplistic, but I like it.

  • James Corbin

    Thanks Mark, You are Right-On

  • JeffH

    Why don’t you tell us all where you feel your bloodline started. That would be most interesting to hear.

  • Steve

    So…Denniso, are you admitting that you are decended from the Neanderthals? Frankly denniso, we don’t give a damn where you think you came from. All we are concerned with now is how to identify you and the rest of the liberal socialists in America, and we need to look no further than the last paragraph, of Chucks post:

    Chucks post, last paragraph:
    Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans . . . That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America . They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    Jana,
    as for that thing of Obummer not reacting soon enough: they have been talking about using fire booms to burn the oil since the day after the rig exploded. Obummers people finally bought one eight days after the explosion! We didn’t even have any!!! As far as katrina, yes Bush under posse commitas law couldn’t go in without the governors request, but O bummer isn’t bound by that problem. He is covered by US shoreline protection law and can go in right from the start!!!

  • Sidewinder

    Not so fast suzie. Dig a little deeper.

  • del

    John they wouldn’t be living in cardboard box’s for long. They would have starved out a long time ago!

  • http://?? Joe H.

    kate8,
    to all those nay sayers that say there was no second plane, all they have to do is watch the video below!!! If watched closely, it clears up a lot of lies by the left!!!

  • http://?? Joe H.

    Jana,
    If NewYork allows that, then I know they have lost any semblence of rational thought!! I’m suprised that the Muslims would be stupid enough to build it there!!

  • JC

    I’m sure the “one” will visit often. He was quoted as saying the “Call of the minaret is the sweetest sound in the world”

  • Jack

    Sidewinder, and that is where this bunch of crooks in Washington, and the president need to be. In prison!

  • JC

    You bet there’s more Joel. A lot more.

  • Sidewinder

    I agree with most of what you said.

  • JC

    Or we could just let them stay in foreign countries and send American welfare “over there”. Oh wait a minute, we’re already doing that.

  • JC

    ****Crickets****

  • JC

    Awesome.

  • Save America Susie

    JC…Good way to put it! Excellent insight.

  • Al Sieber

    Good posts, JC and Sidewinder, I read “Confessions Of A Economic Hitman” about 4-years ago, I recommend it for everyone.

  • Claire

    They don’t think they are being stupid–they are slapping the U.S. in the face. They are telling us they will and can do as they please. Gads, they aggravate me. The audacity of these people is disgusting. This mosque should not be allowed to be built anywhere near the 9/11 site. I am sorry but I consider them to be the same as the illegals. I don’t care if they are “citizens” of the U.S. or not. They need to leave America and I wish they would. There are too many of them that harbor ill will towards America. I would bet on it.

  • JeffH

    rjg, at least you could show a little appreciation for chuck b’s sense of humor. Please, don’t take everything so literal.

  • JPW-

    Jeffh;Now you should take a cup of that aromatic java out into the cool sunshine , breathe in some of that fresh air and say to yourself three times ” We are so much better off today than when Bush was here” Thank you lord

  • JeffH

    JPW- sorry, I can’t honestly say something that I don’t believe.

  • rjg

    Touche

    I thought you guys were serious for a moment.

  • JC

    Al, it started a long long time ago with Alexander Hamilton and the Bank of the United States. Andrew Jackson cut the head off that snake for a while but with the inception of the Federal Reserve in 1913 it’s been a field day for politicians and bansters to rape and pillage the American economy with impunity ever since.
    Never forget, The Federal Reserve is not Federal and it has no Reserves….

  • JC

    Claire, should a religion advocating the death of christians and jews be allowed to build so much as a dog house anywhere on American soil?
    Let alone a mosque?

  • Claire

    JC–If they advocate the killing of Jews and Christians–NO–they should get out of America, no mosques, no dog houses, nothing. Their own religion is disgusting. Let them go back to their own country. Sure, I am no doubt biased, but if our borders had been closed years and years ago we wouldn’t be dealing with this garbage now. I do not trust them, I never have and I never will.

  • Jana

    The news report stated that the powers that be had already approved of it, and that the relatives of those that died on 9/11 said it is like a slap in the face to them. I agree. It is a slap in the face to the United States.

  • Claire

    JC– “a religion” — the first ten words of my first sentence answers your question.

  • JC

    Naw, for the moment were just spoofing. But wait until November…

  • Sidewinder

    A guy like Obama, he may have been a socialistic idealog when he was coming up in the world. But to drive the American Machine you need to know what type of vehicle it is.

    And to drive it, you need to drive it as a Corportist. Because thats how America works now.

  • denniso

    You know, if you would make half intelligent comments then there could be a discussion w/ you…as it is, a waste of time.

  • JeffH

    Mock yeah, ing yeah, bird yeah…mocking bird yeah…too funny! Yeah!

  • Steve

    Wheeeeew!… thank God for small favors! For a minute there I was afraid denniso wanted to have a conversation, and become friends.
    Limit your stalking to the un-American liberal and his 14 alter egos that he posts under denniso. He will kiss your butt and boost your self worth. I have no use or time for cultivating any friends from liberal socialist hacks like you. Again I point out Chucks post. This is what you are dennisso, and is what WE ARE NOT!!

    Chucks post, last paragraph:
    Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans . . . That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America . They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.

  • Cindy

    ok, ok, quit picking on denniso. He is like a lost babe with his sub 75 iq. Try the American liberal. At least his iq is 90 or so. Besides I kind of like denniso……… in a pathetic sort of way lol

  • denniso

    Just more personal attacks…can’t you do anything more than that?
    Apparently not…but hey, if you are having fun how can I complain?

  • rjg

    I believe that both Warren Buffet and Bill Gates endorsed Barack Obama. I would say they qualify as having a “grain of brain”.

  • Jeep

    SW, I don’t know about your father…but, InfraGard (not infraguard) is a private non-profit organization. Ostensibly it was created to assist intel agencies in monitoring and reporting on acts which could be terroristic in nature. It’s current membership is around 25,000 countrywide. However, the organization was started in 1996 (you remember, when Clinton was prez). So, unless you are saying that Clinton and Bush were in cahoots on this one…well. Anyway, in 2008 Matt Rothschild made some outrageous statements about a license to kill, etc. that has stuck with the conspiracy community. Well, just thought you would want to get your facts on this one.

  • Al Sieber

    Good post Sidewinder, you have some good insight.

  • JC

    Or it’s like saying the bible teaches about Christ.
    All I said was that their “religion” calls for the killing of infidels…does it not?

  • Al Sieber

    I agree with you JC, I’m just wondering if the Intl. Bankers are through with us yet. people need to watch Aaron Russo’s DVD, “America: Freedom To Fascism” then they would understand whats happening with ours and the rest of the worlds economy.

  • Al Sieber

    JC, I forgot to add, “The History Of The Money Changers”, you can just “goggle” it. it starts out with Julius Caesar. the moneychangers Jesus ran out of the temple are still with us! they just changed the name of the temple. its called the “Federal Reserve” today. that article was written by, Andrew Hitchcock. the Fed. Reserve is the cause of the majority of our problems. Ron Paul knows this. that why he wants the Fed. Reserve audited.

  • Jana

    JC,
    Yes it does, and anyone not believing in their god, is an infidel. It is alright according to the Qu’ran to lie to infidels, and a mandate to kill them.

  • RicSeag

    Who is their God anyway?

    Oh yeah, the God of Abraham…..I forgot…..

  • ORveteran

    Exactly JC,

    There are extremists in this country that aren’t muslim but they go after the government or abortion clinics or something specific. Only with muslims do you have a fundamental hatred of capitalists (Westerners as they call us) and they would kill anyone, in fact it is there goal to get rid of anyone eho isn’t muslim ‘for their bible tells them so.’
    For Obama to keep switching from being a christian to a muslim whenever the situation suited shows he is a two-faced person that shouldn’t even have been allowed into congress, much less the presidency.
    I don’t think most Americans understood what he really meant when he said that he wanted to “Fundamentally Transform America”. People can say what they want about Glenn Beck but he has opened my eyes a little wider as to what the federal government is doing over in DC.
    The thing I can’t stand is the way that American people’s beliefs, in general, coincide with what is being spouted on the evening news. Most people don’t take the time to research anything. They choose to believe anything they are told, on both sides, because it is easier.
    Also most Americans seem to lean one way or the other politically. The majority believe that their party affiliation, either the democrat or the republican, is right and believe that the other side is all idiots no matter what. They don’t even take the time to here the other point of view. It is disgusting how divided non-politicians act when it comes to politics. It is especially disgusting when teachers and administrator bring their biased views into the schools. They are indoctrinating the children at a young age.
    I hope it isn’t so, but I believe that we are going to fundamentally change as a nation because there isn’t enough people willing to change the direction the government is leading us toward.

  • JC

    Al That’s an excellent book and it explainds the underpinnings of why we have earned the animosity of the planet. If we were to return to a Constitutional policy of non-intevention in foreign affairs we would eventually regain peace and respect from our neighbors.

  • JC

    Hey Al, I’ve seen Aaron’s documentary, It’s an amzing and easy to follow eye opener. I haven’t read the Moneychangers but I’ve done some other research. “The History of Banking” is a very long dry read but very informative and “Hamilton’s Curse” is an expose of the activities of Alexander and his rich buddies and the system that they got going which was later used by Lincoln to great effect to enrich his pals in the railroad business. All the way through US history the government and industial elite have manipulated all we have and all we do, all the while charging us for the service.
    Sadly at this point in time we have inherited Hamilton’s system of corruption and not the ideals of Jefferson and Adams.

    It’s time to change that and I believe the political will to oust that system is coming quickly.

  • Anthony

    JC -
    I just bought “Hamilton’s Curse”, written by Tom DiLorenzo.
    DiLorenzo is the same guy who wrote about Lincoln being a Dictator.
    I would be careful citing Tom’s books, until you’ve researched the topic thoroughly.

  • Jana

    JC,
    Since they seem to be able to afford to build that type of mosque, it makes you wonder HOW they can afford it.

  • JeffH

    Maxine’s best!!!!!!!!!

    We need to show more sympathy for these people.
    * They travel miles in the heat.
    * They risk their lives crossing a border.
    * They don’t get paid enough wages.
    * They do jobs that others won’t do or are afraid to do.
    * They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language.
    * They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day ~ every day.
    I’m not talking about illegal Mexicans ~ I’m talking about our troops! Doesn’t it seem strange that many Democrats and Republicans are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but don’t support our troops, and are even threatening to defund them?

  • barry

    the name, oh well since i will not use his name any longer, it is very simple, he is now known as “the guy sitting in the presidents chair” as he is not my president or commander in chief.
    BEAR
    VIETNAM VETERAN
    GOD BLESS AMERICA

  • JC

    PetroDollars? Our “friends” the Saudi’s were actually having telethons to raise money for terrorist organizations some years ago.
    I don’t know if they still do, but they were.
    In any event wealth in the Muslim world has been achieved largely through western oil companies. So where do you suppose the sponsorship comes from?

  • JC

    The way this country treats it’s veterans is deplorable.
    And to add insult to injury, Napolitano has the nerve to put them on watch lists when they return home?
    Un bloody beleivable!

  • TIME

    JC,
    I agree with you, I have been giving to Vets now for years, our government ask of them everything, and yet walks away when these brave young men need help the most.

    Its what can only be looked at as the “SHAME” of our Political partys
    games.

    I think we should send these twinkies from congress and the senate to war so they can get their butts shot off.
    They want wars let them fight them themselfs, it would do them a lot of good to get a first hand account of what its really like rather than getting a BJ from a staffer on Capital hill in the air conditioned comfort of their tax payer paid office.

  • JC

    He’s a complete and total fraud. But he’s also serving a purpose.
    He’s waking up the sleeping giant that is the real America.

  • RicSeag

    He’s the Anti-christ, too.

    Didn’t you know that?

  • JC

    And now, after lavishing a bloody fortune on unions, government and otherwise to buy votes…he wants to slash the wages of the military.
    There’s a fire burning and I think Obama is doing us all a favor by blatanly and irresponibly throwing gas on it.
    Again, go Obama GO! Make sure you get every one good and God Damned angry so that we will see some real “change”.

  • Anthony

    If you ask me – God is female.

    How many women do you see startin’ wars? JMHO

  • Anthony

    Hey sport – you need to read this timeline —
    http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm

    And, yes, I wish you “would” try and poke holes in it.

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