Is America Being Deliberately Pushed Toward Civil War?

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In 2009, Jim Rickards, a lawyer, investment banker and adviser on capital markets to the Director of National Intelligence and the Office of the Secretary of Defense, participated in a secret war game sponsored by the Pentagon at the Applied Physics Laboratory (APL). The game’s objective was to simulate and explore the potential outcomes and effects of a global financial war. At the end of the war game, the Pentagon concluded that the U.S. dollar was at extreme risk of devaluation and collapse in the near term, triggered either by a default of the U.S. Treasury and the dumping of bonds by foreign investors or by hyperinflation by the private Federal Reserve.

These revelations were interesting not because they were “new” or “shocking.” Rather, they were interesting because many of us in the field of alternative economics had already predicted the same outcome for the American financial system years before the APL decided to entertain the notion. At least, that is what the public record indicates.

The idea that our government has indeed run economic collapse scenarios, found the United States in mortal danger and done absolutely nothing to fix the problem is bad enough. I have my doubts, however, that the Pentagon or partnered private think tanks like the RAND Corporation did not run scenarios on dollar collapse before 2009. In fact, I believe there is much evidence to suggest that the military industrial complex has not only been aware of the fiscal weaknesses of the U.S. system for decades, but they have also been actively engaged in exploiting those weaknesses in order to manipulate the American public with fears of cultural catastrophe.

History teaches us that most economic crisis events are followed or preceded immediately by international or domestic conflict. War is the looming shadow behind nearly all fiscal disasters. I suspect that numerous corporate think tanks and the Department Of Defense are perfectly aware of this relationship and have war gamed such events as well. Internal strife and civil war are often natural side effects of economic despair within any population.

Has a second civil war been “gamed” by our government? And are Americans being swindled into fighting and killing each other while the banksters who created the mess observe at their leisure, waiting until the dust settles to return to the scene and collect their prize? Here are some examples of how both sides of the false left/right paradigm are being goaded into turning on each other.

Conservatives: Taunting The Resting Lion

Conservatives, especially Constitutional conservatives, are the warrior class of American society. The average conservative is far more likely to own a firearm, have extensive tactical training with that firearm, have military experience and have less psychological fear of conflict; and he is more apt to take independent physical action in the face of an immediate threat. Constitutional conservatives are also more likely to fight based on principal and heritage, rather than personal gain, and less likely to get wrapped up in the madness of mob activity.

What’s the greatest weakness of conservatives? It’s their tendency to entertain leadership by men who claim exceptional warrior status, even if those men are not necessarily honorable.

Constitutional conservatives are the most substantial existing threat to the establishment hierarchy because, unlike dissenting groups of the past, we know exactly who the guiding hand is behind economic and social calamity. In response, the overall conservative culture has come under relentless attack by the establishment using the Administration of President Barack Obama as a middleman. The goal, I believe, is to direct conservative rage toward the Democratic left and away from the elites. The actions of the White House have become so absurd and so openly hostile as of late that I can surmise only that this is a deliberate strategy to lure conservatives into ill-conceived retaliation against a puppet government, rather than the men behind the curtain.

Department of Defense propaganda briefings with military personnel have been exposed. These briefings train current serving soldiers to view Tea Party conservatives and even Christian organizations as “dangerous extremists.” Reports from sources within Fort Hood and Fort Shelby confirm this trend.

The DOD has denied some of the allegations or claimed that it has “corrected” the problem; however, Judicial Watch has obtained official training documents through a Freedom of Information Act request that affirm that extremist profiling is an integral part of these military briefings. The documents also cite none other than the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) as a primary resource for the training classes. The SPLC attacks Constitutional organizations and associates them with terrorist and racist groups on a regular basis. (Check pages 32-33.)

This indoctrination program has accelerated since January 2013, after Professor Arie Perliger, a member of a West Point think tank called Combating Terrorism Center, published and circulated a report called “Challengers From The Sidelines: Understanding America’s Violent Far Right” at West Point. The report classified “far right extremists” as “domestic enemies” who commonly “espouse strong convictions regarding the federal government , believing it to be corrupt and tyrannical, with a natural tendency to intrude on individuals’ civil and constitutional rights… they support civil activism, individual freedoms, and self government.”

Soldiers have been told that associating with “far right extremist groups” could be used as grounds for court-martial. A general purge of associated symbolism has ensued, including new orders handed down to Navy SEALs that demand that operators remove the “Don’t Tread On Me” Navy Jack patch from their uniforms.

The indoctrination of the military also follows on the heels of a massive media campaign to demonize Constitutional conservatives who fought against Obamacare in the latest debt ceiling debate as “domestic enemies” and “terrorists.” I documented this in my recent article “Are Constitutional Conservatives Really the Boogeyman.”

Obama and his ilk have been caught red-handed in numerous conspiracies, including Fast and Furious, which shipped American arms through the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. And how about the exposure of the Internal Revenue Service’s using its bureaucracy as a weapon to harass Tea Party organizations and activists? And what about Benghazi, Libya, the terrorist attack that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton allowed to happen, if they didn’t directly order it to happen? And let’s not forget about the Edward Snowden revelations, which finally made Americans understand that mass surveillance of our population is a constant reality.

To add icing to the cake, a new book called Double Down, which chronicles the Obama campaign of 2012, quotes personal aides to the President who relate that Obama, a Nobel Peace Prize winner, when discussing his use of drone strikes, bragged that he was “really good at killing people.”

Now, my question is, why would the Obama Administration make so many “mistakes,” attack conservatives with such a lack of subtlety and attempt to openly propagandize rank-and-file soldiers, many of whom identify with conservative values? Is it all just insane hubris, or is he serving his handlers by trying to purposely create a volatile response?

Liberals: Taking Away The Cookie Jar

Many on the so-called “left” are socially oriented and find solace in the functions of the group, rather than individualism. They seek safety in administration, centralization and government welfare. Wealth is frowned upon, while “harmonization” of wealth is cheered. They see government as necessary to the daily survival of the nation, and they work to expand Federal influence into all facets of life. Some liberals do this out of a desire to elevate the poverty-stricken and ensure certain educational standards. However, they tend to ignore the homogenizing effect this strategy has on society, making everyone equally destitute and equally stupid. Their faith in government subsidies also makes them vulnerable to funding cuts and reductions in entitlements. The left normally fights only when their standard of living and comfort to which they have grown accustomed plummets below a certain threshold, and mob methods are usually their fallback form of retaliation.

Austerity cuts, which the mainstream media calls the “sequester,” are beginning to take effect. But they are being applied in areas that are clearly meant to create the most public anger. Reductions in welfare programs are also being implemented in a way that will certainly agitate average left-leaning citizens. The debt debate itself revolved around those who want the government to spend within its means versus those who want the government to spend even more on welfare programs. The loss of subsidies is at bottom the greatest fear of the left.

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A sudden and inexplicable shutdown of electronic benefit transfer cards (EBT cards or food stamps) occurred in more than 17 States while the debt debate just happened to be climaxing. This month, cuts to existing food stamp funds have taken effect, and food pantries across the country are scrambling against a sharp spike in demand.

Remember, about 50 million Americans are currently dependent on EBT welfare in order to feed themselves and their families. The response to the relatively short EBT shutdown last month was outright fury. Imagine the response in the event of a long-term shutdown or if extraneous cuts were to occur? And where would that anger be directed? Since the entire debt debacle has been blamed on the Tea Party, I suspect conservatives will be the main target of welfare mobs.

The left, once just as opposed to government stimulus and banker bailouts as the right, is now unwittingly throwing its support behind infinite stimulus in order to cement the continued existence of precious Federal handouts. The issue of Obamacare has utterly blinded liberals to fiscal responsibility. Universal healthcare, perhaps the ultimate Federal handout, is a prize too titillating for them to ignore. Democrats will now go to incredible lengths to defend the Obama White House regardless of past crimes.

They are willing to ignore his offenses against the 4th Amendment and personal privacy. They are willing to look past his offenses against the 1st Amendment, including the Constitutional right to trial by jury for all Americans, and Obama’s secret war against the free speech of whistle-blowers. They are willing to shrug off his endless warmongering in the Mideast, his attempts to foment new war in Syria and Iran, and his support for predator drone strikes in sovereign nations causing severe civilian collateral damage. They are willing to forget Snowden, mass surveillance and executive assassination lists — all for Obamacare.

And the saddest thing of all? It is likely that Obamacare was never meant to be successful in the first place.

Does anyone really believe that the White House, with billions of dollars at its disposal, could not get a website off the ground if it really wanted to? Does anyone really believe that Obama would launch the crowning jewel of his Presidency without making certain that it was fully operational, unless this was part of a greater scheme?

Already, liberal websites and forums across the blogosphere are abuzz with talk of sabotage of the Obamacare website by “the radical right” and the diabolical Koch Brothers. Once again, conservatives are presented as the culprits behind all the left’s troubles.

As I have stated in the past, Obamacare is designed to fail. The government has no capacity to fund it, and never will. Its only conceivable purpose is to further divide the country and excite both sides of the false paradigm into attacking each other as the reason the system is failing, when both sides should be questioning whether the current system should exist at all.

As the situation stands today, at least 50 million welfare recipients and who know how many others exist as a resource pool for the establishment to be used to wreak havoc on the rest of us. All they have to do is take away the cookie jar.

Who Would Win?

Who would prevail in a second American civil war? Tactically, conservatives have the upper hand and are far better prepared. Food rioters wouldn’t last beyond three to six weeks as starvation takes its toll, and mindless mobs would not last long against seasoned riflemen. The military, though suffering purges by the White House, still contains numerous conservatives within its ranks. Outside influences, including NATO or the United Nations, are a possibility. There are numerous factors to consider. But I would point out that the most dangerous adversary Constitutional conservatives face is not the left, Obama or a Federal government gone rogue. Rather, our greatest adversary is ourselves.

If lured into a left/right civil war, would most conservatives be able to see beyond the veil and recognize that the fight is not about Obama, or the Left, or tyrannical government alone? Could we be co-opted by devious influences disguised as friends and compatriots? Will we end up following neocon salesmen and military elites who materialize out of the woodwork at the last minute to lead us to victory while actually leading us to globalization with a slightly different face?

If a civil conflict has been war gamed by the establishment, you can bet they have contingency plans regardless of which side attains the upper hand. In the end, if we do not make the fight about the bankers and globalists, the Federal Reserve, the International Monetary Fund, the Council On Foreign Relations, etc., then everyone loses. Who wins in a new American civil war? If we become blinded by the trespasses of a certain White House jester, only the globalists will win.

–Brandon Smith

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  • Motov

    I hope if there is a 2nd “civil war”, people will storm Washington DC and get our government, instead of fighting amongst ourselves.

    • IHateLibs

      Remember . Most LIB/DEMS don’t have Guns.

      • Motov

        And apparently they also lack brains, in the common sense department.

        • Deerinwater

          Well, why don’t you just lead out then?

        • Deerinwater

          Well, why don’t you just lead out then?

          • Motov

            You certainly love to stir the pot.

          • Deerinwater

            Yes, I do ~ especially when I hear the Cat calling the kettle black.

          • Motov

            So are you saying to trust in our government?

          • Deerinwater

            I say, ~ Frame your argument, employing positive and constructive words that seek resolve and resolution rather then fan the flames of discontent and live to see another day of possibilities presented to you without subjecting yourselves to potential harm and great loss.

            We should all know by now , we are not getting out of here alive. Make you short stay worthy your efforts and build and not destroy.

            Elevate your message. You have little to gain and much too lose on your current course .

          • Motov

            I see, so in other words, don’t rock the boat!
            How do you propose to deal with people out to rob us blind? They certainly don’t give a damn about being positive, and their solutions is to silence us, Sorry,… Mr. Niceguy doesn’t work with these imbeciles, because they are crooks. Your idea of playing nicely with a group of bullies won’t work. They don’t have a conscious.

          • Deerinwater

            No, ~ rock the boat all you wish ~ just don’t blow a hole in the boat with that gun your insist on carrying.

            You are just too inpatient, ~ it works just not at the speed that you want it to work. ~ Constant applied resistance creates change just like a Hurricane, it just takes longer.

            Most of our leadership are really not crooks and imbeciles as you claim. ~ This is something the party that has found itself “out of power & out of favor” has mass broadcast in the attempt to solicit your loyalty and your vote. Millions of dollars has been invested to make you ‘feel and think” this way about government and the people that currently hold office.

            Wealthy people., allowed me to back up, ~ Greedy wealthy people are fearful people and have much to lose, ~ They have went about making their holding and position safe from you by misdirecting you. ~ They are not your target, ~ your target is people like me that resist your aggression and attempt to reason with you. ~ So how did I ever get in your cross hairs?

            What events made this possible?

          • Motov

            1) You accuse me of being impatient, We must change from our current course as soon as possible, before total disaster occurs! To use that boat analogy, Obozo is steering us towards Niagara Falls, So “impatient” is the incorrect term, more like self preservation, but the MORON insists on continuing, and lying to the passengers, that he knows where he’s heading. We are closer to the falls than you think, and Obozo is very busy, disabling the boat, so it will go over the falls.

            You say most of our politicians are not crooks? Last election cycle proves your statement wrong. Most blatant voter fraud ever, and no politician has ever seriously gone after the perpetrators. There should be public information on every candidate’s contributors to their election funds.

            We are always having to choose between “the lesser of two evils”, meaning we are going to get a puppet no matter which way the vote goes. BTW, voting is only an illusion that we have any pull in Washington DC, We don’t.

            Wealthy people are not our enemies, The TOP 1% extremely super wealthy people are our enemies. They “own” our government, They “own” mega conglomerates,
            They dictate to government on “regulations” for business, to keep their competitors from succeeding. You have a habit of standing in our crosshairs, as we take aim to bust up their “kingdoms” and the abuses that come from it.

          • Deerinwater

            No Sir, The USS America is a blue water vessel. ~ GW had sailed us into shallow water with no room to come about and dragging our keel. ~ It is only now, ~ that we once again approach blue water and have the room required to navigate such a huge vessel.

            It taken this long ! The slow slide into poverty has stopped (for now)

            Soaring Poverty Casts Spotlight on ‘Lost Decade’By SABRINA TAVERNISE

            Published: September 13, 2011

            WASHINGTON — Another 2.6 million people slipped into poverty in the United States last year, the Census Bureau reported Tuesday, and the number of Americans living below the official poverty line, 46.2 million people, was the highest number in the 52 years the bureau has been publishing figures on it.”

            “Joblessness was the main culprit pushing more Americans into poverty, economists said.

            Last year, about 48 million people ages 18 to 64 did not work even one week out of the year, up from 45 million in 2009, said Trudi Renwick, a Census official.”

            “(Reuters) – The number of U.S. residents living in poverty edged up to 46.5 million last year, the latest sign that an economic recovery marked by a stock market boom has not trickled down to ordinary Americans.

            The figures from the Census Bureau on Tuesday highlighted the lingering scars from the 2007-2009 recession and added fresh fuel to debates over government austerity and widening income inequality. It could also renew calls to raise the minimum wage.”

            Okay, that the way it was under a “Conservative Administration and growing!

            And while today ~we still have many poor people still living poverty ~ the slide has stopped ! That’s right stopped.

            http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/about/overview/

            Highlights

            The data presented here are from the Current Population Survey (CPS), 2013 Annual Social and Economic Supplement (ASEC), the source of official poverty estimates. The CPS ASEC is a sample survey of approximately 100,000 household nationwide. These data reflect conditions in calendar year 2012.

            In 2012, the official poverty rate was 15.0 percent. There were 46.5 million people in poverty.

            For the second consecutive year, neither the official poverty rate nor the number of people in poverty at the national level were statistically different from the previous year’s estimates.

            The 2012 poverty rate was 2.5 percentage points higher than in 2007, the year before the most recent recession

            In 2012, the poverty rate for people living in the West was statistically lower than the 2011 estimate.

            The poverty rate in 2012 for chil­dren under age 18 was 21.8 per­cent. The poverty rate for people aged 18 to 64 was 13.7 percent, while the rate for people aged 65 and older was 9.1 percent. None of these poverty rates were statistically different from their 2011 estimates.

            Not the best news, ~ but the slide has finally stopped.

          • Motov

            Where do you get your “facts”? Out of a bubblegum machine or from someone who ate a sheet of LSD?
            You blame Bush for the housing bubble, which in fact was a gift from Bill Clinton (Fanny Mae, Freddy Mac were Clinton’s doing) Obozo’s “Spread the wealth” is nothing more than getting the government to do the dirty work of taking money from those who worked hard to get it and give it to those who did nothing to earn it. Your “figures” are all wet. How in the world can a politician Tax and Spend us into prosperity? That cannot work at all! That cannot work at all ! That cannot work at all!
            What you typed is pure fantasy, fiction, and a complete lie..
            The so-called Wall street “boom” is just that,.. it will go “BOOM” when hyperinflation hits.
            Obozo totally flunked economics 101. The press won’t report the truth about Obozo.
            Obozo created “jobs” mostly in the GOVERNMENT.
            He hired more incompetent alphabet bureaucrats!
            That puts more strain on the private sector which is already anemic from Obozo’s tax increases.
            I see a crash is coming,… and Obozo is doing everything to guarantee it!

          • Deerinwater

            No ~ I blame W’s administration for wasting American lives and dollars in a poorly orchestrated war that never needed to be fought.

          • Motov

            Did the shrub train Obozo?, he’s certainly not doing any better

          • Deerinwater

            well, he’s had his hands full ~ for sure.
            They are much easier to start then stop. It took a good 4 years to stand down in Nam. .

          • Motov

            Screw the mideast just pull ‘em out, BTW ,…Johnson started Viet Nam, (You blame Bush for that too?), It certainly turned out ugly And we all know what Barry’s hands are full of,..Blood and green ink…..He promised our troops would be home right now,… I’ll say one thing is consistent with Obozo,..He hasn’t ever stopped lying!
            What is even more weird is everything he criticised Bush for, he exceeded him by a wide margin.

          • Deerinwater

            we are all impatient Motov, ~ we what it to go faster then it will go.

          • ongelofelijk

            Deerinwater, you come over to me as the internal student with many degrees and doctorates in the domain of political and socio-economical science paid for by an outside third party. Have you ever had a real job?

          • Deerinwater

            Oh yea, ~ I’m 65 years tied and been contracting since 1987. ~ before that I held down many jobs and attended many schools of study purely for my amusement and curiosity. ~ mastered none. ~ never planed too. Even now, ~ i enjoy attending classes

            Pull my profile if you wish. just an old country boy, holding a masters degree in mistakes, trying not to make the same ones twice.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Try making some of them English classes, Deer.

          • Deerinwater

            Oh! It did! ~ this “is” the new improved version . If you’d met me before, you would be proud!

            Have you turned into the grammar police?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            First you need to learn to speak coherently, Deer. So we can figure out what the heck you’re saying.

          • Deerinwater

            Coming from anyone like you David, that’s a compliment. People like yourself seem to enjoy the darkness and claim that they don’t understand. I suppose it’s the best excuse for failure that you can come up without embarrassing the process of debate where again you will find yourself “lacking”.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, Deer, you just have atrocious grammar. Own it.

          • Deerinwater

            i am a product of my environment and confess ,i came from humble beginning and have stayed with my family to this day.

            We talk different in Northeast Texas. ~ So I write different.

            get over it ~

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m betting your acquaintances can’t understand you either, but they don’t want to hurt your feelings.

          • Deerinwater

            David , ~ I compose documents well enough to make a comfortable living from it ~ But this isn’t about me or my friend David.

            This thread is about Protagonist like yourself . People who are hoping to inflame people to riot and behave poorly , ~ so people like yourself can enjoy the spoils like buzzards. ~ And then there are some Protagonist that just want to shot somebody ~ They would like that. ~ they want to kill and feel good about killing.

            Somehow another, out of all the chaos and mayhem , they get to kill people, pillage, rape and plunder. ~

            For people like yourself, you are not quite sure how all the killing will work out for you ~ but you somehow feel immune and believe you will be the last man standing.~ Ha!

            Sort of like Ted Cruz ~ showdown in Congress ~ He expected an End Game outcome that would reward him, but he had not a clue how this might happen. ~ He was going to be see as a “Winner” in his mind regardless of what happened. Ted Cruz didn’t have a strategy to win. ~ but to fail! and fail he did.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            How far up your hiney did you have to reach to pull this one out?

          • macgyver1948

            Deerinwater…. It seems people like TheOriginalDaveH
            have taken it upon themselves to be English professors since we both are told to own our “atrocious grammar”. But in reality people like him respond only to their programming to be insulting and
            belittling to any who will not agree with their side. Very Constitutional and libertarian, not the party, of them, huh? Substance and adult conversation is not allowed in that programming if they run into dis-agreers Right from the start.

            Just consider the source and smile because another
            part of their programming is to ignore whatever words they cannot accept and take what we say of what is left of our words as the wrong they choose to see in our sentiments. Other than that it can be fun to watch how they twist reality and our words. :-)

          • Karolyn

            It is more productive to be FOR what you support than AGAINST what you do not.

      • Deerinwater

        I think that you would be surprised who does and who doesn’t have guns. Why any other come of such an event will not be predicated on who has them but the number of people that can bring them to bear and effect change.

        It seems that there is an attempt to shape the battle ground between self proclaimed conservatives and liberals ~ while I think you might be surprise in who you find your true enemy.

      • vietnamvet1971

        YEP, but watch out for the Hot Air they blow from Both Ends.

        • KG

          I wouldn’t count out the so-called “liberals” as being weak and weaponless. There are a few of us who have developed a sort-of left wing paramilitary much in the image of the German Roterkampfbund that fought the Nazis in Germany. I personally have collected former east block nation weapons. And I could get myself a Greek fishermans hat and emulate Lenin.

          • Brandon Smith

            Name some of these supposed hi-speed liberal combat organizations you speak of…we would all enjoy a good chuckle.

          • KG

            NSA
            IRS

            US ARMY
            Men in Black
            Space Aliens
            Illuminati death squads
            etc.

          • Patriot_Dave

            DUDE!!! What are you SMOKIN????

          • Brandon Smith

            So you can’t name any? I figured as much…

          • Deerinwater

            I’m not sure want a high Speed Conservative combat organization might be , much less a liberal one Brandon. ~ is one to wear “Pink” and the other black to tell them apart? ~A bullet don’t pay much attention to political affiliations. ~ I’ve naturalized a few communist but not one of them did I asked for their card. I didn’t feel it necessary. ~

            You are confusing soldering with politics.~ here’s the politics of soldering,~ Your dead and I’m not and i plan it on staying that way.

          • vietnamvet1971

            are you threatening me? quit scaring me you limp wrist Liberal Puke.

      • ongelofelijk

        Libs ” Make Love and no War”!!!

    • Bob666

      Yo Motov,

      People in hell want Ice water-that does not mean they will get it. Civil war is just that-mass chaos with collateral damage and the desire of various factions to gain control.

      Be careful what you hope for.

      Ordo ab Chao

    • Bob666

      Yo Motov,

      People in hell want Ice water-that does not mean they will get it. Civil war is just that-mass chaos with collateral damage and the desire of various factions to gain control.

      Be careful what you hope for.

      Ordo ab Chao

      • Motov

        I’m doing exactly what our government does to us. Who do you really think is responsible for 9-11? If our government is willing to destroy NYC icons, and take out part of the Pentagon (to evade blame,….no doubt), Then we as a people should return the favor, by taking out the crooks who are in Washington D(istrict) of C(rimes)

  • Deerinwater

    Yes, Brandon, some people are working to that end and looking for help among the “Easy to Offend”.

    The primary purpose would be to thin the herd to a more managed size, leaving those on top to stay there, ~ and all else to find a spot if they must rise up out of the ashes.

    To advance one’s self by removing the competition has always been very popular.

  • Bill Scantlen

    Your terminolgy of another civil war is a misnomer.
    I would call it Revolutionary War II. The first fought against a tyrannical British government and the second will be fought against Washington, DC. Hopefully, ending in total destruction of the present structor.

    • Brandon Smith

      The Revolutionary War was itself a “Civil War” of sorts. A large percentage of the colonials fought on the BRITISH side. Playing semantics with the terminology does not change the reality of the situation. I think it’s time to grow up…

    • SteveEd

      Actually the War between the States was not technically a civil war. It was a war between two nations. The Revolutionary War was much more of a civil war than the War Between the States.

  • WTS/JAY

    All wars, civil or otherwise, have been engineered by the globalist banking-elite, and not one of those wars would have been made possible without the full compliance and participation from the ignorant-masses, who had no idea who they were fighting, or why, they were fighting! Civil-disobedience, or non-participation, is the ultimate and most effective civil-war we could engage in. Stop feeding the BEAST!

    • Deerinwater

      And that is what’s happening ~ they are feeding the beast ~ ignorant people that are easily offended and think of themselves are being exceptionally bright and entitled by virtue of birth.

      i’m beginning to think, ~ that maybe I should encourage them, ~now is a good a time as any to get this over with while their numbers small~ In 30 days the ones not cleaned out would be in hiding , living like rats and crapping all over themselves. Wondering how their family might be surviving .

      There is no place to hide, while the dogs of war will go about consuming their own.

      I don’t know exactly how much ammunition they have had to tote around in their miserable little lives, ~ but I can tell you one thing, the stuff gets heavy and you can’t never carry enough.

  • singer23

    Remove the, “Irritants,” in Washington! When there is an infection, fight the cause of it! We know who is behind all the trouble, we must eliminate the problem, the liars in the White house and the Capitol! They call themselves, “Progressives,” they exist in both political Parties!

  • KG

    Poor Brandon. You spend almost a third of your article pointing out the ‘virtues’ of the ‘true conservatives’. Then you complain about the US military’s internal struggle to weed-out these same potential threats to it’s mission. Which one is it?

    These so-called “patriots’ are like the Revolutionary Militia that General George Washington had to deal with. He had to find a career Prussian General (who was openly Gay) to turn the Continental Army from an organized mob into a cohesive fighting force. Most of the ‘soldiers’ that couldn’t hack it in the Army joined the drunken mob known as the Militia. Gen. Washington had to deal with these rable-rousers, so he would put them on the POINT. They would cause a little havoc running around and then retreating back to the pub house. Then Gen, George Washington would lead his Continentals to engage the enemy. So, what the US military is doing is no different than what our founding father George Washington did.

    And you are right. Most of the so-called ‘scandals’ are nothing more than propaganda directed by all the soft-money that the Koch brothers are pumping in.

    Our President, Mr Barak Obama is going to be viewed in history as one of the best president we have had since Bill Clinton. As well as Kennedy and FDR.

    • Deerinwater

      “Friedrich Wilhelm August Heinrich Ferdinand von Steuben (born Friedrich Wilhelm Ludolf Gerhard Augustin von Steuben; September 17, 1730 – November 28, 1794), also referred to as the Baron von Steuben,[1] was a Prussian-born military officer who served as inspector general and Major General of the Continental Army during the American Revolutionary War. He is credited with being one of the fathers of the Continental Army in teaching them the essentials of military drills, tactics, and disciplines.[2] He wrote the Revolutionary War Drill Manual, the book that served as the standard United States drill manual until theWar of 1812. He served as General George Washington’s chief of staff in the final years of the war.”

      “Steuben eventually settled on a small estate in the vicinity of Rome, New York, on land granted to him for his military service. He later assisted in the founding of theSociety of the Cincinnati and was appointed a regent for what evolved into the State University of New York. He never married and had no children. He left his estate to General Benjamin Walker and Captain William North, who had served as his aides-de-camp during the war, and with whom he had had an “extraordinarily intense emotional relationship … treating them as surrogate sons”.[11] He is buried at what is now the Steuben Memorial State Historic Site.”

      read more; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Wilhelm_von_Steuben

    • Motov

      Yup,…Obozo ranks right up there with Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao, and several other dictators who had world domination in their black hearts.

      • KG

        Tell me, who has been responsible for more deaths – our President, Mr Obama or the former president Mr Bush?

        • Motov

          The shrub is no longer in power and should be rightfully serving time in prison, along with Hitlary, and Bill Clinton. The number of deaths is irrelevant , As I believe Stalin once said, If you kill one it is a tragedy, if you kill 10 million it is a statistic. I do believe Obozo will exceed the shrub before he is out of office!

          • WTS/JAY

            He already has, Motov!

          • Motov

            I guess you are right plus how many more through Obozocare , when rationing begins? , or how many died in mysterious circumstances who were (perceived) whistleblowers, (and like Katrina with Bush) Monster storm Sandy?,….

        • Al Chemist

          “I am really good at killing people.” B. H. Obama, Occupant of the White House.

          • KG

            Yes – like the terrorists that every conservative claimed to be Americas enemy, but couldn’t get until a Democrat got into office.

            Who was the last President besides Clinton to be victorious in a war?

            Democrats know how to win wars.

          • Al Chemist

            Actually, that “I am really good at killing people.” was another Obama lie. That is one thing he is really, really good at. In telling lies, he has no equal. Another thing he is good at is taking credit for the hard work and action of our troops. No democrat or Republican politician ever “got” a single terrorist. W did not “get” Saddam Hussein, and Obama did not “get” bin Laden. Our troops did after years of hard work on their part. Obama just happened to be occupying the White House at the time.

          • KG

            No. You are lying just like all the other Republicans who cant grip with the fact that Bush COULD have done the same, but refused to. Mostly to not offend their friends in Saudi Arabia. It was Obamas policy from the beginning that allowed our military to take out Bin Laden as well as Reagans old nemesis Quaddafy.

            Just face the fact that Democrats are more effective in getting Americas enemies that Republicans.

          • native blood

            Don’t forget they also are the only ones to have waged all-out thermo-nuclear war. Proud now?

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra
          • Motov

            Osama Bin Laden was already dead. I believe he was suffering from renal failure and required a machine to clean his blood. They sat on this until Obozo’s worthless image started to take a dive, then used this fabrication to boost his popularity.

          • Vis Fac

            KGB Your buddy BUBBA Bill Clinton had FOUR chances to get Bin Laden and REFUSED to do so for fear of OFFENDING Muslims. You Socialists and Liberals are afraid to OFFEND anyone except we patriots which we fine Socialist liberal one dimensional idiot-ology particularly OFFENSIVE.

            Apparently your meth dealer came early so you have the need to expend energy spreading one dimensional liberal propaganda, lies, and conjecture.

            To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • WTS/JAY

            I think that both, D’s and R’s are equally skilled at “creating”, America’s enemies. Btw, possessing such a skill is an absolute must if one is to have any chance at employment with the military-industrial-complex…err, i mean, Washington D.C.

          • Al Chemist

            “Democrats know how to win wars.”

            Yep! You are right there. Lyndon Johnson was especially good at it.

            Yep! Harry Truman did a bang up job in Korea, also.

          • KG

            In Vietnam, we were actually on the wrong side. And many knew that from the beginning. It was mostly the Military-Industrial complex that is owned by the conservative faction in America that was the impetus behind the Vietnam quagmire. Johnson was convinced by the “new” scientific thinkers that we could be victorious. I think if Kennedy lived, it would have turned out completely different. And if Goldwater got elected, we would be all crispy critters glowing in the dark.

            Korea was the first ‘United Nations” war – not unlike the first Gulf War which ended with Sadam in power as well as with his army still in tact.

          • Al Chemist

            If. There’s that big word ‘if’ again. “…If Goldwater got elected, we would all be crispy critters…”
            If memory serves, only one president has ever authorized the use of nukes. I don’t think Truman was a Republican. And, being the Conservative that I am, I think Truman was correct. It ended the war and saved a lot of American’s from being wounded or killed.

          • Motov

            Viet Nam was a french colony before WW2, France wanted it to stay that way. France was unwilling to give up a cheap source rubber. WW1 & WW2 was costly to France. Being a member of NATO, the Industrial complex saw $$$ to be made, after France failed, We took over, but JFK said “no”, and LBJ said “yes”,… so 5 days before my first birthday, JFK was shot.

        • Vis Fac

          People who are insecure or cannot support their position or agenda are the first to lay blame on others. When you resort to these tactics you have lost.
          We are discussing current politics and you dare not mention the malfeasance of your lord and savior ODUMBO and his administration. As I recall G W Bush had UN authorization and as far as the nation is concerned ODUMBO had none when he allowed and covered up 6 American patriot deaths through Fast and Furious and Benghazi.
          Again you like to point fingers when your hands are septic.

          To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

          You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

        • Vis Fac

          People who are insecure or cannot support their position or agenda are the first to lay blame on others. When you resort to these tactics you have lost.
          We are discussing current politics and you dare not mention the malfeasance of your lord and savior ODUMBO and his administration. As I recall G W Bush had UN authorization and as far as the nation is concerned ODUMBO had none when he allowed and covered up 6 American patriot deaths through Fast and Furious and Benghazi.
          Again you like to point fingers when your hands are septic.

          To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

          You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

        • WTS/JAY

          Under former President George W. Bush, 575 American soldiers died and fewer than 3,000 were wounded in Afghanistan. Under Obama, at least 1,405 soldiers have died and nearly 15,000 additional soldiers have been wounded, which means 70% of the deaths and nearly 80% of the injuries in Afghanistan have occurred under Obama’s watch.

          • Deerinwater

            Right ! I think that We quite paying them to “not fight” like they were doing during W’s administration.

            I know that you are probably thinking that I am joking.

          • WTS/JAY

            I’m sorry, Deer, but i’m not quite sure what you are trying to say. Are you saying that during W’s war soldiers were paid not to fight?

          • Deerinwater

            yes Jay. ~ Think about it for a minute. ~ These tribes men are very limited in commerce, ~ heroin, camel dung and rugs. ~ A tribe of armed desperado, can decide who can move about freely and unmolested and who can’t. ` It comes as a price. ~ call it appreciation, being sympathetic and the paying of honor to the host.

          • Deerinwater

            A group of ex-militants who claimed to belong to the Bakassi Freedom Fighters have protested the non-payment of their allowances since March 2011 by the amnesty office in Abuja.

            Let me see if I can find something a little closer to what we are talking about. ~

            10:33 27/11/2011

            MOSCOW, November 27 (RIA Novosti)

            Tags: Al Qaeda, NATO, Taliban, Afghanistan

            Related News

            Afghan president says Taliban not to hamper transition

            Afghan religious scholars urge Taliban to renounce violence

            Mission Afghanistan: Strike a deal with the Taliban and get out

            UN extends authorization of ISAF in Afghanistan

            Afghan lawmakers reject military agreement with ISAF

            Multimedia

            U.S. military contingent in Afghanistan

            Members of the radical militant group Taliban who agree to give up fighting are being paid 100 British pounds (over $150) a month and will be allowed to keep their guns under a new initiative to end the insurgency, The Sunday Telegraph reported.

            The “reintegration” program, which was proposed by the British government and enjoys NATO’s full support, is intended to keep Taliban militants from attacking the NATO-led coalition of international forces in Afghanistan.

            Under the program, the Taliban fighters who have given up violence will be allowed to keep their guns and will be given an amnesty, which means they will never be put on trial. The amnesty extends to all Taliban fighters, including those who have taken part in atrocities.

            http://en.ria.ru/world/20111127/169070926.html

    • vietnamvet1971

      hey mr. Liberal obama Lover he is YOUR president so you keep kissing his Butt, You and the rest of the UNGODLY & UNBELIEVERS will get your reward so Live it up NOW.

    • Brandon Smith

      KG is the perfect example of the average Obama
      apologist/propagandist. He has no moral principle whatsoever, and is
      willing to defend the actions of his fake party and violent and insane
      president regardless of how criminal they are. It takes a person of
      truly low character to support a politician who goes against every
      promise and claimed ideology of his own party.

      KG’s
      attempts to rewrite history are laughable, and I welcome anyone to
      research the true history of the militia, especially the courageous
      actions of the common citizenry who fired the first shots at Lexington
      Green and Concord. The leadership of many patriots was integral to the
      success of the Colonials against British tyranny, however, it was the
      resolve of common farmers and tradesmen to stand their ground that won
      the war in the end.

      It’s not surprising that rabid
      socialists are so desperate to revise the revolutionary history of our
      culture. After all, the founding fathers were individualists, not
      collectivists, and they proved undeniably that individual liberty is
      indeed an effective driving force for political and social change. The
      socialists and communists have been trying to copy their success for
      decades, only to continually fail. They figure, if they can’t deny the
      independent heritage of the American Revolution, then they will do their
      best to sully the characters of long dead men who cannot defend
      themselves. Typical socialist cowardice…

      • KG

        Yea – America ‘collectively organized’ ‘individualists’ to fight the British.

        And try to put a patriotic spin on dead drunkards doesn’t sound very good either, eh Agent Smith?

        • Vis Fac

          So KGB you’ve been CHALLENGED to prove your allegations, so where’s the proof? Not speaking? Too much for you to handle? Or is what you claim MORE LIES? Since I have caught you so many LIES you will NEVER respond. YOU have been rendered IMPOTENT!!!

          To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

          You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

      • Deerinwater

        The early American militia was a seriously undisciplined hot mess Brandon and described well by KG

        I’m sorry, but that’s just the way it went down. If Benjamin Franklin hadn’t been the wise old man that he was and lucked onto Von Steuben looking for work in Paris, having received the boot by the Persian Army for his appreciation for men and been rejected everywhere he had applied , history would read different today.

        But I did enjoy your write up, well done. I enjoyed the way you presented it. I certainly wouldn’t say that it was balanced like some have claimed but more indicative of it origin and writing to a selective audience. Probably one or two of your best works to date.

        Franklin bought Von Steuben passage on the next ship to America along with a Letter of Introduction and the rest is history.

        • Brandon Smith

          And yet, it was the Militia composed of common people that was instrumental in rallying the colonials to fight in the first place. Steuben didn’t fire the shot heard around the world, but its interesting that you feel the need to perpetuate a personal myth that without him the revolution would have ended differently. I welcome you or KG to prove your hypothetical scenario. Looking forward to it, actually…

          • Deerinwater

            Brandon, starting a fight is easy enough to do, ` wining a fight a bit more complex.

            It’s never been hard to bring down the thunder, but living to tell the story is.

            “Friedrich Wilhelm Rudolf Gerhard August, Freiherr von Steuben, a Prussian military officer, arrives at General George Washington’s encampment at Valley Forge on this day in 1778 and commences training soldiers in close-order drill, instilling new confidence and discipline in the demoralized Continental Army.”

            “The Prussian drill techniques he shared were far more advanced than those of other European armies, let alone those of the ragtag Patriots. The ego-crushing methods of modern boot camp were practiced among the shoeless soldiers of Valley Forge with remarkable efficacy”

            “On the merit of his efforts at Valley Forge, Washington recommended that von Steuben be named inspector general of the Continental Army; Congress complied. In this capacity, von Steuben propagated his methods throughout the Patriot forces by circulating his Blue Book, entitled Regulations for the Order and Discipline of the Troops of the United States.”

            “While the many Americans who feted Baron von Steuben from Portsmouth to Boston and finally to York might have been impressed General Washington was more taken with the general’s sincerity. As Steuben explained in a recent letter to Washington, the “only object” of his “greatest ambition” was to “render your Country all the Services in my Power, and to deserve the title of the Citizen of America by fighting for the Cause of your Liberty.”

            “Washington later learned that Steuben had only risen to the rank of captain, however the Baron’s expertise in military training was second to none.

            Born a commoner in 1730, Captain Steuben served on the general staff of Frederick the Great during the Seven Years’ War. After the war ended, Steuben was dismissed from the army when Frederick the Great drastically reduced military spending. For the next twelve years, Steuben worked as the chamberlain of the kingdom of Hohenzollern-Hechingen. By the mid-1770s, he had restyled himself as a baron, but was in fact desperate for money and a better position. At this low point in his life, Steuben met Benjamin Franklin in Paris who recognized him as an experienced soldier who could bring order to the Continental Army.”

            “When the Continental Army finally marched out of Valley Forge in June 1778, the well-trained Americans nearly bested the British at Monmouth. After the battle, Washington sent Steuben to assist Nathaniel Greene in the South and later the Baron a battalion to command at Yorktown. In 1783, George Washington wrote his final letter as the American commander to General Steuben, thanking him for his “faithful and meritorious Services.”

            All the battles are here Brandon, for you to review and accept the fact, ~ Washington didn’t have much to work with in the beginning. He needed a game changer and he found one in Steuben and it was from that point forward many men rose to greatness as Success begets Success.

            http://www.mountvernon.org/educational-resources/encyclopedia/battle-long-island

            Battle of Kip’s Bay (September 15, 1776)

            George Washington and his officers considered abandoning and even burning New York City after retreating from Long Island on August 29. Washington, however, erroneously believed that Congress wanted the city held and deployed his forces on a sixteen-mile front. General Israel Putnam’s 5,000-soldier division garrisoned New York while Nathanael Greene stretched a similar number across the central part of Manhattan.

            “Early in the morning of September 16, 1776, General George Washington began composing a letter to the President of Congress. “We are now encamped with the main body of the army on the Heights of Harlem,” Washington explained, “where I should hope the enemy would meet with a defeat in case of an attack.”1The Continental Army had retreated to the northern end of Manhattan following its humiliating loss at the Battle of Long Island in the previous August.

            Battle of Germantown (October 4, 1777)

            Following defeats at Brandywine, Paoli, and the British capture of Philadelphia on September 26, 1777, George Washington attempted to gain the initiative.

            After the British evacuated Boston on March 17, 1776, General George Washington guessed correctly that their next target would be New York. By mid-April, Washington had marched his 19,000 soldiers to Lower Manhattan. He strengthened the batteries that guarded the harbor and constructed forts in northern Manhattan and on Brooklyn Heights across the East River on Long Island.

            Washington waited throughout June for the British to appear, hoping that somehow his undisciplined troops could hold off an attack, which he was certain would come in Manhattan.

          • JeffH

            Yada yada yada says the Jabberwock…
            ‘Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
            Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
            All mimsy were the borogoves,
            And the mome raths outgrabe.

          • Brandon Smith

            So, where is your evidence that the revolution would have ended differently without Steuben? Many battles were lost AFTER Steuben was brought on by Washington. And many battles, including Lexington and Concord, and the Siege of Boston (which Steuben had nothing to do with), are considered American victories against the psychology of the British elite to this day.

            No one man decides the outcome of a war. For you to suggest as much is extraordinarily naive, and undermines any credibility you might have had (which wasn’t much).

          • Brandon Smith

            I know quite a bit about fighting, I’ve been a fighter for most of my life. Only blowhards who know nothing of fighting would claim that starting a fight is “easy”, especially when it’s against an opponent vastly superior in training and armament.

          • Deerinwater

            and only a child would believe you to be correct.

          • Deerinwater

            Washington didn’t have an Army, ~ he had a mob armed with whatever them could bring and stay in the fight only as long as they wanted too.

            Now this is what he started with, ~ and he was getting his butt kicked.

            Don’t attempt to embellish the facts or my comments Brandon.

            The Right wingers have been attempting to rewrite history for a good twenty years (that I am aware of) , ~ claiming that they are “correcting” history.

            I would prefer to accept unflattering truths than believe fallacies. ~ they are much more believable.

            The writers of the bible had much the same problem. Glossing over unflattering facts ~ making it hard to believe at times. Mark invested almost a whole page explaining Joseph’s linage and then tell us that he had nothing to do with getting Mary pregnant. and not a single word about Mary’s (the mother of Christ) linage.

            now , what’s up with that?

            But writers do this, Brandon , ~ in an attempt to appease and appeal to delicate “feelings”

            This attempt a “political correctness” can cut both ways.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Benjamin Franklin was an opportunist who cozied up to whoever he felt best suited his ambitions. He originally sided with the British until he felt the winds of Revolution growing inexorably against the British, then he sided with the Colonists. But even then he was always pushing for the kind of Powerful Central Government which men of Power always seek to further give themselves special-privileges.

          And George Washington lost most of his battles due to a stubborn insistence to go toe-to-toe with the superior British troops even though there had been many prior successes by Generals who were using the only methods effective against the British, i.e. guerrilla warfare. In effect, most of Washington’s battles just ended up with his soldiers being unnecessarily sacrificed as cannon-fodder. Washington was more of a Politician than a fighter.

          http://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/murray-n-rothbard/the-trouble-with-george-washington/
          “As if the ragged soldiers at Valley Forge did not have enough troubles, they were to be further plagued by the arrival, in February, of a mendacious Prussian braggart and soldier of fortune calling himself “Baron von Steuben.” Actually, Captain Steuben was neither a baron nor, as he claimed, a Prussian general; but he managed quickly to be elevated to the post of inspector general of the Continental Army. Steuben set about to Prussianize the American army, and so now the hapless soldiery suffered the infliction of the whole structure of petty and meaningless routine designed to stamp out individuality and transform the free and responsible soldier into an automaton subject to the will of his rulers.
          Ever since he had embarked on the Philadelphia campaign, Washington had grown ever further away from the guerrilla tactics that had won him victory at Trenton (and had defeated Burgoyne). Washington had no desire to become a guerrilla chieftain; to his aristocratic temper the only path to glory was through open, frontal combat as practiced by the great states of Europe. Washington had tried this formula, and lost dismally at Brandywine and at Germantown, but this experience taught him no real lessons. He was delighted to have Steuben continue the process he himself had begun in the first year of war of imposing petty enslavement upon a body of free men. Until recently, historians have rhapsodized uncritically over the benefits of Steuben’s training, of the enormous difference in the army’s performance. But Washington’s and his army’s performance was equally undistinguished before and after Steuben; any differences were scarcely visible”.

      • Vis Fac

        These are the very people who malign those who have served in our armed forces yet they feel they have a “duty” to serve and defend a tyrannical master. They are the ones who feel entitled to speak for everyone else yet while doing so only speak for THEIR best interests .

        To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

        You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

    • ongelofelijk

      KG, I will be more than happy to buy you and family. a one-way ticket to why not North Korea.

      • KG

        Why would i want to go there? I’m an American citizen. Do you want to live where the ultimate Conservatives have taken over?

        • ongelofelijk

          Who says that people opposite of your mindset are behind “ultimate Conservatism” KG? Combine fact with opinion to state a conclusion. Cogent disputations cause thinking. I am a nonconformist and yes rebellious against a deceitful regime using alarmist arguments that have become prisoners of their own rhetoric. Do I say that we can change many things today .. the obvious answer is yes.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          That is why you have absolutely no credibility on this board, Cagey. But please keep posting. No doubt there are readers who will be steered away from Socialistic tendencies by observing your insanity.

        • Brandon Smith

          Do you want to live where the “ultimate communists” have taken over? Let’s get you that ticket to North Korea…

          • WTS/JAY

            Lol!

    • Justin

      “Most of the ‘soldiers’ that couldn’t hack it in the Army joined the drunken mob known as the Militia”…what a ludicrous statement. I suppose that with enough trolling one can find ‘facts’ anywhere on the net but a “drunken mob” does not march miles through one of the harshest winters in history with little in the way of protection from the elements – and then route the greatest army in the known world back then. These men, many of whom their names will have been forgotten by all but their lineage, were giants and some of the greatest souls that have walked this earth. These men in your so called drunken mob forge what was to become the greatest nation in humanity’s short history. Seems to me that Americans should remember the birth of this nation with pride…not shame and reluctance.

      • independent thinker

        You will notice that Krinineller Gruppe (KG) fails as usual to provide any support for his claims.

      • KG

        You seem to have the ‘militia’ confused with the ‘Continental Army’. Most of the militia simply went home whenever they wanted too. It was Gen. George Washington and the Continental Army that suffered at Valley Forge due to the ‘conservatives’ at the time who refused to support the Army that was supposed to be HELPING them!

        • Vis Fac

          KGB you seem to have fantasy confused with reality. As you are an “authority” and obviously were an “eye witness” you can accurately report in events some 237 years ago.

          You can’t even portray what took place in your “personal” life from 1948 on without fabrications or extreme embellishment, so what makes you think you can comment on anything of importance?

          You are nothing but an impotent liar and you have no credibility.

          Well KGB Let’s do a little recollection of past conversations. First you claimed to be a UNION retiree Then you told me your Old Man was a Recon Marine in Vietnam that used to beat you up then said you were born in 1948 Then you said you retired in 1984.

          Using your analogy since you were said you were born in 1948 that would make you nearly the same age as your “Old Man” Now in 1984 that would make you about 25 when you supposedly retired from the UNION a little while later you said you were wheelchair bound and that you don’t work.

          Let me ask this since all these scenarios cannot possibly be correct which if any of the three are? My guess you are a government dependent touting the virtues of socialism because you are a complete and utter failure. THEREFORE you have ZERO CREDIBILITY here.

          One more thing, Just because something has never happened does not mean it never will. I recall reading the WWI was the war to end all wars and there will never be another World War. Guess what they were wrong. They also said man would never go faster than 60 MPH or that man would never set foot on the moon. Well guess what all have come to fruition So if you don’t want to prepare that is YOUR business, just don’t go mooching for a handout when you have nothing

          To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

          You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      And you are viewed as the Commie Shill that you are, KGB.

      • Vis Fac

        KGB is a LIAR and a SHAM I called him out and this is what I received from KGB ~ “Your comments have been noted and forwarded to the NSA. I suggest that you remove any inflammable object from windows and be very nice to the men dressed in black.” 7:20 p.m., Monday Nov. 4 :

        We can all take note that KGB is impotent and makes threats when he’s been bested or fund out!!

        My original post to KGB

        Force Recon KG

        •a day ago•51

        Well KGB Let’s do a little recollection of past conversations. First you claimed to be a UNION retiree Then you told me your Old Man was a Recon Marine in Vietnam that used to beat you up then said you were born in 1948 Then you said you retired in 1984.

        Using your analogy since you were said you were born in 1948 that would make you nearly the same age as your “Old Man” Now in 1984 that would make you about 25 when you supposedly retired from the UNION a little while later you said you were wheelchair bound and that you don’t work.

        Let me ask this since all these scenarios cannot possibly be correct which if any of the three are? My guess you are a government dependent touting the virtues of socialism because you are a complete and utter failure. THEREFORE you have ZERO CREDIBILITY here.

        One more thing, Just because something has never happened does not mean it never will. I recall reading the WWI was the war to end all wars and there will never be another World War. Guess what they were wrong. They also said man would never go faster than 60 MPH or that man would never set foot on the moon. Well guess what all have come to fruition So if you don’t want to prepare that is YOUR business, just don’t go mooching for a handout when you have nothing

        To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

        You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

    • Alan

      If you truly believe Obama to be one of our best presidents, you are completely out of your mind.

      • WTS/JAY

        KG is just trying to get a rise out of you, Alan. But than again, nobody in their right mind would make such a ridiculous-statement…?

        • Alan

          I usually just ignore the fool, but my mood today wouldn’t allow it.

    • WTS/JAY

      KG: Our President, Mr Barak Obama is going to be viewed in history as one of the best president we have had since Bill Clinton. As well as Kennedy and FDR.

      That’s not saying much for Mr. Hussein, KG; nevertheless, a very true and accurate statement. Kudos!

    • Michelle

      You are insane.

  • 4lifeandfreedom

    Once again, Brandon Smith has shown exceptional journalistic reporting.

  • terryk

    A good article unfortunately I can see the article coming true

  • red55bird

    It sickens me to see my country being destroyed by men of power and greed, yes America is being split in half by a Socialist who own personal agenda is to see a fundamental transformation of America, unlike anything we witness in American history before. If we have a civil war it will be because we see freedom being taken by this Administration and a total disregard of the peoples Constitution. You ask how mush longer can we be bulled by this Marxist in the White House, who goes around the Congress with executive order time after time, and I say within the next 14 months we will have single payer insurance, and Obama will used executive order to change immigration reform and aloud millions of illegals to become citizens of America, this will send many American citizens unto the streets in protest of their Government, precisely what Obama wants to happen, he then can order homeland security to step in to control the people and give orders to shoot to kill anyone who disobey his order to dispersed ( Civil War begins ) My God in heaven I do so want to be wrong about this, but we all know we who love freedom and the Constitution will have to take up arms and FIGHT for our Nation under this Dictator in the oval office.

  • wandamurline

    The people in power really do not want a civil war….they may think that they do, but if it comes down to that, the banksters and elists in this corrupt government will be the first ones that the rebels would seek out to take out. There would not be enough body guards to protect them, and I still believe that at least 70-80% of our soldiers would stand with the people that they took an oath to protect against all enemies both foreign and domestic (the ruling class in Washington). The King of England thought with his mighty army that he could destroy the Patriots….he was wrong and if this liar in chief King thinks he can destroy the Patriots who believe in America and the Constitution, he will have a rude awakening.

    • squeeze127

      The retiring of all those Generals/Admirals is alarming. These brains don’t grow on trees. The ordering of all that hollow point ammo isn’t for hunting purposes. The shut down seemed to be a trial run to see the response of how the vets react. The continuous decline of the American Dollar by QE-3. Division by sex, race, class, and politics is pointing more and more at dividing the people. The total disregard for our most cherished document (Constitution), this all seems at seeing how far they can go before hitting resistance. Very little uniting has been shown by this administration. All signs point to civil unrest and appears to be with this administrations’ blessing. The constant lying of all that’s transpiring. The constant push to dis-arm America. The destruction of the family structure (redefining the definition of marriage), all those executive orders. This is not the work of a President, but of a tyrant. There’s more going on than meets the eye.

  • http://batman-news.com Jim B

    The fire was lit when BHO, and his liberal minions in the Senate and House passed a major piece of unconstitutional legislation which is Obamacare. This was done without a SINGLE Republican vote for a socialist health care atrocity that is now ripping at the fabric of our nations freedom of choice. On that day ill-fated day BHO signal handedly split this country in half. His liberal minions in the Senate and the House are every bit as much to blame for their crimes against this countries single most precious truths, what we hold most dear, Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. When America gave up these Freedoms for Obamacare, they rendered their lives to Caesar. The simple truth, just under 10 percent of the population was not insured, this was not a national crisis which it has now turned out to be. The best estimates are that that same amount, 10 percent, will be thrown off their health insurance, and everyone will be pigeonholed into government run plans that will cost everyone nearly twice as much. This debacle hasn’t even started yet, the real fireworks yet to begin, the finally will be a biblical end to the government as we now know it. Men and Women, young and old will kick the teeth in on this government before we let them take our liberty, our freedom of choice, and through it all away on a zero sum game of politics. It’s time for the people to take its county back, and this is the month to do it.

  • Patriot_Dave

    Brandon I think you nailed right here: “If lured into a left/right civil war, would most conservatives be able to see beyond the veil and recognize that the fight is not about Obama, or the Left, or tyrannical government alone? Could we be co-opted by devious influences disguised as friends and compatriots? Will we end up following neocon salesmen and military elites who materialize out of the woodwork at the last minute to lead us to victory while actually leading us to globalization with a slightly different face?”

    Seriously CONSERVATIVES…. if this gets out of hand it will NOT be what most of YOU think…. It will be a battle against the “NEOCONS and the ELITES” as they are the ones pulling the puppet strings and they NEED to win or they LOOSE BIG!!!!

    • Sarah417

      Please be specific. Who are the NEOCONS and ELITES? Can someone name names?

      • Jodi Scott-Trevizo

        George Soros is one of the main ones. Anyone with the last name of Rockefeller, Koch, and predominately, Rothschild.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Can you tell me anything that the Koch’s have stumped for that is contrary to Freedom?

          • Deerinwater

            Political activity

            See also: KochPAC and Political activities of the Koch brothers
            Koch Industries has spent more than $50 million to lobby in Washington between 2006 and October 2011, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.[38]
            The company has opposed the regulation of financial derivatives and limits on greenhouse gases.[38] It sponsors free market foundations and causes.

            I would think 50 million dollars in 5 years is a bit excessive for two citizens with just two votes. ~ What might they expect for this money?

            And financial derivatives are an Odds strategy created by Wall Street’s crap game for people that love to wager and prey on people with more money than good sense.

            “For years, the brothers shunned the spotlight. David Koch used to joke that the family business, the Wichita, Kansas-based Koch Industries – with annual revenues* estimated at $100 billion, it’s the second-biggest private firm in America – was “the largest company you’ve never heard of.” But when Barack Obama became president, the Kochs, like a lot of right-wingers, flipped out. They threw their weight behind a stealth campaign to turn back the president’s “socialist” agenda: They were early backers, some say puppet masters, of the Tea Party movement, and when the tea-infused GOP retook the House in the famous midterm “shellacking” of 2010, it was with a big assist from Koch money. (They later blessed the brief, ill-fated presidential run of Tea Party-favorite Herman Cain. That’s how crazy – or cynical – these guys are.) Progressive activists and the news media started paying attention – most notably ThinkProgress and Jane Mayer of The New Yorker – and pretty soon the Kochs had become the poster boys of “the 1 percent” and a surefire fundraising tool for the Democratic Party; at the mere mention of the Koch name, liberal wallets fall open.”

            • helped fund efforts to undo a model diversity policy in the Wake County school system in North Carolina, effectively resegregating the district – part of a larger campaign, the film alleges, to weaken the public school system and prepare the way for widespread privatization;
            • pushed voter ID laws – purportedly aimed at combating ballot fraud but really designed to keep Democrats from voting – through their financial support for the American Legislative Exchange Council, an increasingly radioactive business group specializing in the drafting of corporate-friendly pick-up-and-pass legislation for state lawmakers. (ALEC is also behind the insane “Stand Your Ground” gun laws at issue in the Trayvon Martin shooting case);
            • pumped millions of dollars into more than 150 colleges and university in exchange for control over hiring and curriculum decisions, to ensure students will be exposed to the free-market fundamentalism of Ayn Rand, Freidrich von Hayek and like minds;
            • bankrolled a coordinated campaign to swing public opinion in favor of privatizing Social Security, deploying Koch-funded think tanks, experts, and pundits to spread the myth that the program is on the brink of bankruptcy.

            ” equally well have documented Koch-funded efforts to repeal Obama’s health care law, deny climate change, undermine collective-bargaining rights, or block Wall Street reform,”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Argumentum ad Hominem.
            You reading comprehension isn’t any better than your writing skills, Deer.
            But speaking of lies, can you tell me any they have told, Ignoramus?

          • Deerinwater

            My writing skills are limited, this is true ~I know that~ but at least I actually say something, which seem to be more then you can muster David.

            You haven’t got an original thought in your head. Everything that I have ever hear you said , has been borrowed from somebody.

            Which is okay I suppose, if these people you refer to actually had an existing track record of success on what they wrote about.

            But they don’t ! They know how to write books.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Borrowed from somebody?
            You may have me there. It would be very unlikely that you borrowed from anybody, unless maybe you have been hanging out at the asylum.

          • JeffH

            Deer, your ignorance is getting worse by the day…and that’s tough to do even for you.

            The fact is that you are disturbed and appalled that the Koch’s must play under the same rules as everyone else and are successful at it.

            Unlike George Soros, Charles Koch and David Koch have devoted their lives to advancing tolerance and a free society – where every individual is judged on his or her individual merits and they are free to make decisions about their lives. The Koch’s have been a consistent advocate for economic freedom and individual liberty, which benefits all people, for more than five decades regardless of which party was in power.

            Deerbob says “Are you telling us that the Koch bothers don’t lie?”

            Prove it!

            What does that have to do with anything related to what DaveH stated? Absolutley nothing other than your own propagandised hate for them…yeah, it was on the internet so it must be true!

            Why don’t you answer the question? “Tell me anything the Koch’s have stumped for that is contrary to Freedom?

          • Deerinwater

            Look above ~`

          • JeffH

            All of what you posted above is conjecture and non sequitur!

          • Jodi Scott-Trevizo

            The Koch brothers are as corrupt as they come. If they were so about liberty, then they would fund the Libertarian party. So far they just give us a bad name.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Another one. Jodi, you are corrupt as they come. See how easy that is? No proof, just ad hominem attack.

      • TML

        In addition of Jodi’s reply, the neocons would be, but not limited to – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzxrJtiWHVc

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Nice post.

      • Deerinwater

        We don’t want to do that Sarah. ~ preferring to use a very wide brush while suggesting we have benefit of facts and yet can paint a detailed picture. ~ This requires us to step back and away from the picture we paint to understand what we are attempting to convey.

        We claiming to be conservatives, ~ as long as we can maintain the disparities that exist in “Status Quo” inside our own little piece of the world. ~ Anything seen as a threat to Status Quo is unwelcome and labeled with embellished unflattering titles.

        Obama is an Elite ~ because even though he rose from a humble beginnings, and he now occupies the most powerful position on the planet. ~ he was foolish enough to believe and live the American Dream. ~ Like Santa, ~ we have all known for some time, ~ it’s not true, there is no Santa Claus, ~ there is no American Dream but in the minds of other’s foolish enough to believe.

        What we place in our minds is our reality, ~ we need reasons to justify our failures to feel comfortable with ourselves.

        Neocon’s are seen a globalist, and that’s bad! ~ for we all know, nothing of importance exist outside Mayberry. Neocons have a misdirected focus, ~ their motives suspect and priorities not in line with down home conservative thinking.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Quite frankly, I can’t see how they can lose. They will hide away in their exotic getaways until the rest of us have killed enough of each other for them to come back and re-assume their roles of Leadership.
      Our best bet is to get educated and nullify their threat by not letting them make fools of the rest of us, by not killing each other for them. We need to understand why Free Markets, contrary to Propaganda, actually keep us from harm and increase our Prosperity. With Free Markets the Puppet Masters will still have their wealth, but they would actually have to become productive to keep it, instead of having Government run interference for them against their competitors. Those Rich people who actually had Market skills and knew how to please their consumers would prosper, but those whose only skills were Political maneuvering would fall by the wayside, and new Entrepreneurs, unshackled from competition-stifling regulations, would rise up. Anybody who was actually talented, or worked hard, could become successful, no longer being stopped from their success by Crony Politicians protecting their Crony Capitalists.
      What the Leaders don’t want you to know, in an easy-to-read nutshell:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Quite frankly, I can’t see how they can lose. They will hide away in their exotic getaways until the rest of us have killed enough of each other for them to come back and re-assume their roles of Leadership.
      Our best bet is to get educated and nullify their threat by not letting them make fools of the rest of us, by not killing each other for them. We need to understand why Free Markets, contrary to Propaganda, actually keep us from harm and increase our Prosperity. With Free Markets the Puppet Masters will still have their wealth, but they would actually have to become productive to keep it, instead of having Government run interference for them against their competitors. Those Rich people who actually had Market skills and knew how to please their consumers would prosper, but those whose only skills were Political maneuvering would fall by the wayside, and new Entrepreneurs, unshackled from competition-stifling regulations, would rise up. Anybody who was actually talented, or worked hard, could become successful, no longer being stopped from their success by Crony Politicians protecting their Crony Capitalists.
      What the Leaders don’t want you to know, in an easy-to-read nutshell:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

      • Patriot_Dave

        If we should find these ‘safe getaways’ perhaps we should make them not so safe…..

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          That would be a waste of life and energy as they would be heavily guarded by people willing to give up their lives for the salary provided by the Rich.

          • Patriot_Dave

            I tell you what…. you find the locations… Share that info here and Let those of us with ‘creativity’ take care of the ‘details’….

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You flatter me. I wouldn’t have a clue about their whereabouts.

          • Vis Fac

            Belize – Maldives any tropical offshore dollar friendly nation that has no extradition treaty Switzerland because they are supposedly neutral (and the biggest crooks in the world) All you need to know is they have palatial estates and have armed guards. The movie RED has Richard Dreyfus portraying one of these elite so an out of the way estate here in the US is possible as well.
            Bottom line is you can’t smoke em out until they are ready then at that time do we take action things will be chaotic and no one knows who comprises the resistance

            To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Brandon says — “Has a second civil war been “gamed” by our government?”.
    Ordinary good people might find themselves asking how could that be possible?
    Yet, the signs are all around us.
    We have Leaders who are murdering people overseas with no Trials other than the Mock Sham Trials we call Media. We have Leaders who are stealing other people’s money using the excuse that they are “saving our economy”.
    We tell ourselves, surely they are doing what’s best for us. How could they be so Evil as to do those things selfishly for their own interests? How could they be that Evil?
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/beware-the-psychopath-my-son/
    Yet, the fact that they are so Evil works in their favor, as it makes it that much harder for good people to come to that very real conclusion. It’s much easier to swallow the pablum and make-believe that the world is filled with Leaders who have good intentions.
    http://mises.org/books/century.pdf

    We need to wise up and beat them at their own game. Don’t let them push us into a War. Instead, educate yourself so you can convince the Naive of the reality. With enough education the people can rise up in a non-violent mass and throw the psychopaths off our backs peacefully.

    Otherwise, we will just be playing right into their hands.

    • Vis Fac

      Dave The current administration attempted to disarm Americans using their Fast and Furious debacle I believe the shootings that occurred in supposedly “safe gun free zones” like Aurora Co. Sandyhook Elementary School the Navy yard and most recently the LAX were perpetrated to direct attention to gain support for more gun control. They tried to start a racial war after the Zimmerman trial and used the EBT system as a “test” to plan for a martial law takeover.

      Those of you who cannot see this need to be paying closer attention to events as they unfold. All these events have been “orchestrated” to plan for any scenario against what the government deems to be as threatening.

      Arm yourself and lock and load it’s going to get rough.

      To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

      You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only
      requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it
      up!!!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

    • JeffH

      This one paragraph says it all, “We need to wise up and beat them at their own game. Don’t let them push us into a War. Instead, educate yourself so you can convince the Naive of the reality. With enough education the people can rise up in a non-violent mass and throw the psychopaths off our backs peacefully.”

      I agree! The progressive propagandists have one major playbook as their go-to…Chicago’s Saul Alinsky – “Rules For Radicals”…if you read it, understand it…you can use the same basic methods to turn the table and battle them on equal footing. Without the knowledge and understanding of the games rules…we shall remain defeated ignorants. This is not a battle of “me or I”, it is a battle to maintain “our” Constitutional Republic and “our” natural right to freedom and liberty.

      “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness…” – text from the Declaration of Independence(Adopted by Congress on July 4, 1776)

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter and accept no quarter! Good post. I agree 100% Here is an article that describes how Obama bin Laden supports/backs satanic acts. This is an article from the author of the Exorcist.

      http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/10/26674-famed-writer-of-the-exorcist-a-serious-anti-abortion-catholic/

      I guess that this man would know. But alas! What else did we expect from Obama bin Laden? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

      “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.”

      Thomas Jefferson
      Signer of the Declaration of Independence
      3rd President of the U.S.
      Orthodox Christian

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Another great article, Brandon.

  • notahero

    Very good article, and very true, except that this particular scenario has been playing out since about 1963. America has literally become “The Matrix” movie. The “puppet masters” who pull the strings of BOTH political parties may have changed names over the years, but their core interests have not. The American people, in general, have been lulled into a false sense of security, almost since the inception of the Constitution. The very people they trust, or once trusted, have betrayed them, but they are too preoccupied to ever wake up and realize what is going on and, if they should wake up now, it may already be too late. Why do you think public schools no longer teach American History? You can lie about history, but history does not lie. Thomas Jefferson tried to warn of the danger of “economic tyranny” and that is exactly what we have here. “Pay to play” is the name of the game and has been for a long, long time now. Is there time left for Americans to wake up, examine their own selfish motives, and determine to do that which is correct to “Save the Republic?” I doubt it!

    • Vis Fac

      Funny you should mention the Matrix for I have done so using liberalism to draw fresh new supporters to the “Matrix” for quite some time. I’m glad someone else has seen the eerie similarity.

      To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

      You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only
      requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it
      up!!!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • notahero

        Thanks for your comment. As “brothers in arms” (different branch) we cannot change the fact that, active or retired, we will always be American Soldiers. Many of us, who are still active, feel we are on shaky ground and don’t know who can be trusted anymore. Very soon, you will hear about a renewed “Bring Our Troops Home” campaign. I know from a “field standpoint” this may rub some vets the wrong way because our natural (learned) reaction in the military is that the job is not done yet. However, all I ask is that you will consider this thoughtfully, in the light of current conditions on the ground, and of the same oath we all have taken to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

        • Vis Fac

          As is in all wars politicians run them with inane “rules of engagement” without regard for those who they send into battle. From a military position you fight a war to win doing whatever is necessary then come home. Fighting a war of attrition is pointless as nothing is accomplished except population reduction. I see government taking the same path when trying to solve our domestic problems. Throw assets and money at it but the problem remains and manifests itself to arise later. If we are not in it to win it we should never get involved. We have created a monster that cannot be slain because popular opinion and Political Correctness PROHIBITS us from doing so.

          We should let those who want to wage war with one another do so and not intervene and only act when we are threatened .

          To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

          You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • notahero

            Thanks again. A war of attrition is an accurate description. Most of the population we talk to here in (redacted) are very honest about what’s going on. The jihad is not in question, but who will run the show; Sunni or Shiite. The goal is a “United States of Islam”, and over here it is a forgone conclusion. They all know it is just a matter of time, but whether, Iran or Saudi Arabia will be calling the shots still remains to be seen. They just see us as lackeys for the Saudis. We need to get back home to protect our own country’s national security, which is in much more serious jeopardy than most Americans would be willing to believe.

          • Vis Fac

            I am thinking the plan is more like the USSA and not USI although both are plausible. We have more pressing needs at home and our government is pandering to our enemies. Our apologetic emperor has disgraced our nation with his indifference and piety.

            To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

  • krell51

    War is inevitable, but we must be careful not to become what we’re fighting, not to become the evil we have seen rise so many times before.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      With the current state of dumbed-down Americans, we would be almost certain to end up under the thumb of yet another psychotic dictator.
      The only chance we have is education of the masses.
      http://mises.org/daily/5363/The-Next-American-Revolution-Wont-Be-Like-the-First

      • hungry4food

        Dem. Lt. Gov. Nominee Refuses To Shake Hands With Black GOP Opponent

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Why does that not surprise me?

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          The FACTS:
          October 13, 1858: During Lincoln-Douglas debate, U.S. SENATOR Stephen Douglas (D-IL): “I do not regard the Negro as my equal, and positively deny that he is my brother, or any kin to me whatever”; Douglas BECAME Democratic Party’s 1860 presidential nominee

          April 16, 1862: President Lincoln signs bill abolishing slavery in District of Columbia; in Congress, 99% of Republicans vote yes, 83% of Democrats vote no.

          July 17, 1862: Over unanimous Democrat opposition, Republican Congress passes Confiscation Act stating that slaves of the Confederacy “shall be forever free.”

          January 31, 1865: 13th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. House with unanimous Republican support, intense Democrat opposition.

          April 8, 1865: 13th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. Senate with 100% Republican support, 63% Democrat opposition.

          More TRUE Historical FACTS you may find here:
          http://freeplanetickettonorthkorea.tumblr.com/democrats-blacks

          • Jeff

            It is most interesting that your tale of American History ends in 1865. If a time machine should ever return me to 1865, I’ll be sure to vote for the Repugs. In modern times, the story is a bit different. The recent Repug heroes – Goldwater and Reagan – were both unalterably opposed to the Civil Rights Act.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Dear Jeff, WHY did not you check the link I provided on the bottom of my comment? There you’ll find much more the “TRUE Historical FACTS” which are pointing that
            Democrats were and are still RACISTS.

            About Reagan. I did not know the fact that he opposed to the Civil Rights Act. So I did Google this detail and I did find the reason WHY he opposed:

            “His opposition was based on the view that certain provisions of both acts VIOLATED the US Constitution and in the case of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, INTRUDED UPON the CIVIL RIGHTS OF BUSINESS and PROPERTY OWNERS.”

            In reality Reagan was not a racist, and all “attacks aimed at him relating to racism as attacks on his personal character and integrity” during his presidential campaign had NONE impact. He just believed in the States’ rights. Later I am going to check the Footnotes. So thank you for information. I learned something knew.

            Who Goldwater was, I have no idea, but later I’ll check it.

            But here Jeff, you have some latest facts:
            April 20, 1871: Republican Congress enacts the Ku Klux Klan Act, outlawing Democratic Party-affiliated
            terrorist groups which oppressed African-Americans

            March 12, 1956: Ninety-seven Democrats in Congress condemn Supreme Court’s decision in Brown v. Board of Education, and pledge to continue segregation

            June 5, 1956: Republican federal judge Frank Johnson rules in favor of Rosa Parks in decision striking down “blacks in the back of the bus” law

            September 9, 1957: President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republican Party’s 1957 Civil Rights Act

            November 6, 1956: African-American civil rights leaders Martin Luther King and Ralph Abernathy vote for Republican Dwight Eisenhower for President

            Jeff, I am not Republican. I am Independent and a strong Supporter of the Tea Party. I am totally disgust with Republicans and Boehner.

            Warmest wishes, my Liberal Friend (?)

          • Robert Messmer

            Goldwater was Republican Presidential Candidate in 1964 that LBJ warned America “if you vote for Goldwater you vote for more war in Vietnam”. Well some in America did vote for Goldwater, not enough for him to win but guess what?? LBJ gave us the more war in Vietnam anyway. Goldwater served as Senator from Arizona before and after running for President.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Double THANKS, Robert:
            1) For Information, and
            2) You saved my time.

          • Robert Messmer

            Recent?? Goldwater (if you mean Barry) was almost 50 years ago and Reagan was 30 years.

          • Jeff

            And the Repugs have only gotten worse on the issue of Civil Rights. Just a few years ago, Congress reauthorized the Voting Rights Act virtually unanimously. This Repug Congress will not do so.

          • Robert Messmer

            Why should they? The abuses that VRA was enacted back in the 60’s to correct have been corrected so it is no longer needed. Even the SCOTUS felt so and struck down one of its worse provisions.. Strange that so many well educated Blacks are Republicans if you are correct about how terrible the GOP is on Civil Rights.

          • Jeff

            So many? I believe it’s single digits percentage-wise. Closer to 5% than 10%.

          • Robert Messmer

            But if they are sooooooooooo bad that number should be none.

          • hungry4food

            Everything is going to change even rights , ALL RIGHTS , when this change comes !!!!!!!!!

            This is why the Federal Reserve is flooding the market with
            dollars , they are at war ………

            China seeks world role for ‘people’s money’

            http://www.france24.com/en/20131106-china-seeks-world-role-peoples-money

            China’s Yuan makes waves on
            international currency markets

            Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/Business/asia-pacific/China+yuan+makes+waves+international+currency/9123015/story.html#ixzz2jsLEEybU

          • macgyver1948

            Hi Jeff…Yes, most interesting, isn’t she?

          • macgyver1948

            Alondra… I am trying to figure out what your point is to this comment of yours. It is clear Douglas was a confessed bigot. What else would a bigot like him, today and then, say about those they hate as they
            irrationally and wrongful consider themselves superior to anyone whether it be race, color, religion, origin?

            Could your point be that Douglas was a Democrat? Ok but know that the Party of Lincoln is not the Republican Party of today, so very different. And, also from history, many bigots were in the Democratic Party
            before the middle or so of the 1950s, going back a long time, but many of them jumped the Republican ship in the 1950’s because they couldn’t get the Democratic Party to come over to their bigoted ways
            and turned Republican. Many of those ship-jumpers were KKK.

            The 13th Amendment is a good and just one but I believe there are many today who wished it never passed but so many on the Left are not among
            them. All this is why I am not sure of your points. Ok Lady of the Right, have some Tea and chill.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, you mean the KKK are still haunting the south ???

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter and take no quarter! Couldn’t the real reason behind how America is these days due to our lack of morals our Christian founding fathers talked about? Doesn’t this show a lack of morals and the American spirit? Here is an article that describes how we are losing our morals and our Christian beliefs.

          http://www.americanvision.org/5559/the-rape-of-morality/#sthash.RlbjypUH.YOduloR3.dpbs

          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

          “I am a communist, but not a member of the communist party. Stalin is a first-rate Fabian. I am one of the founders of Fabianism, and as such very friendly to Russia.”

          George Bernard Shaw
          Evening Herald – Dublin
          February 3, 1948

          • hungry4food

            You are right samurai I didn’t see the need for the blow off , not even from a personal level , This guy is just plain a A $$

          • macgyver1948

            samurai … Morals should guide our Government in all law making and follow throughs when laws are broken. But the US Christian Founders put “Freedom Of Religion” into the Constitution and they didn’t want
            any particular or specific religion or denomination to be ruling or influencing any law making. They knew it would negate “Freedom Of Religion” and also make America look like hypocrites to the world. That is way there is no mentioning of any specific religion or
            denomination, but there are references to our creator, mentioned in the US Constitution. Didn’t we go through this before?

            How could we be the “land of the free and the home of the brave” if some religions, or denominations, were not as equal as others?

            Nice article you send us too. I have several questions from that article but I will ask you only one. What is your thinking on “Legal Rape”? That was used in their campaigning by several on the Right during the
            last Presidential and Congressional campaigns and I think to put the words “legal” and “Rape” together as they did is so da*mn insulting to woman all over and to men who are raped. I also think to do so would put so many women in severe danger if it went through
            even as “ACCEPTABLE” speech. I am so glad the GOP nut who ran in my state’s senate race, with his insane expressions of “Legal Rape”, lost for that and for other reasons. Romney denounced that TPGOPer as he should but there were other TPGOPers who supported him (Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.)).
            Thank God he lost. I hope Akin and those like him never run again.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, the “axiom” of Law that says , “first in time , first in law” ,,, what does the axiom mean ???
            The Constitution is certainly not first in time ,,, nor does the name King Jesus Christ appear anywhere in The Constitution ……………………………………

      • Jeff

        And who have been the American psychotic dictators thus far? Just the Democratic presidents? Hope you took your cholesterol medication and aspirin to day:

        http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/06/1244705/-Holocaust-Denial-Libertarianism-Charles-Koch-Gary-North

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Daily Kos? I should have figured, Jeff.
          All Progressive Leaders dislike Libertarians for one Big Reason — The Free Markets that Libertarians advocate.
          With Free Markets, Crony Capitalists cannot feather their nests without actually producing and pleasing the customers and competing. Thus, the Crony Capitalists and their Propagandists will dredge up whatever nonsense they can to discredit Libertarians, because it’s much easier for them to bribe their Crony Politicians than to compete.
          Meanwhile the Liberal Progressives Followers are blinded to that reality by their ignorance and their class envy. The Crony Capitalists are making fools of you jealous people, Jeff.

          • Jeff

            Absolute nonsense. Envy has nothing to do with it. Do you really think Paul Krugman lusts after your MONEY? If monetary gain were all that counted, all economists would be on the right as the Koch Brothers and Fox pay better than the competition.

            The reality is that everyone (including the wealthy) does better when we have a vibrant middle class who can buy things. When tax policy is made with that in mind and not just to enrich the top 1%, we do a lot better. Is it not of any interest to you that when economic stratification gets stretched beyond all reasonable limits, we have events like 1929 and 2008?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Paul Krugman is a court economist. He will spin economics any way that sounds convincing to ignorant people in order to support his masters.

            Jeff says — “The reality is that everyone (including the wealthy) does better when we have a vibrant middle class who can buy things”.
            What a load. Oops, I mean non sequitur.
            You are double-speaking, Jeff. In other words — meaningless nonsense. When you get tired of speaking generalities, call me.
            People like you make it easy for the Crony Capitalists. When companies all get taxed, they all raise their prices (if they can). The smaller companies with fewer resources have a harder time doing that, so oftentimes they go out of business. Score another one for the Cronies. But the reality is that the remaining companies aren’t paying the taxes — Their customers are. That’s us.
            So then we have to hear from you Liberal progressives about the higher prices, or the companies moving out of the country, or the companies laying off workers, blah, blah, blah.
            Why don’t you read some real books, Jeff, and learn something? Could it be because you like your Government job, you like your special privilege?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Paul Krugman is a court economist. He will spin economics any way that sounds convincing to ignorant people in order to support his masters.

            Jeff says — “The reality is that everyone (including the wealthy) does better when we have a vibrant middle class who can buy things”.
            What a load. Oops, I mean non sequitur.
            You are double-speaking, Jeff. In other words — meaningless nonsense. When you get tired of speaking generalities, call me.
            People like you make it easy for the Crony Capitalists. When companies all get taxed, they all raise their prices (if they can). The smaller companies with fewer resources have a harder time doing that, so oftentimes they go out of business. Score another one for the Cronies. But the reality is that the remaining companies aren’t paying the taxes — Their customers are. That’s us.
            So then we have to hear from you Liberal progressives about the higher prices, or the companies moving out of the country, or the companies laying off workers, blah, blah, blah.
            Why don’t you read some real books, Jeff, and learn something? Could it be because you like your Government job, you like your special privilege?

          • Jeff

            Extra Creepy:

            You don’t have to be a government employee to know your ideology is ridiculous.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, but one who is feeding at the trough is much more likely to buy into the nonsense that you Liberal Progressives try to spread.

      • Mole Johnson

        I think its going to take a lot of …. education.

  • WTS/JAY

    It’s good to be informed; it’s useless, however, if you cannot format that information into proper intelligible models. Too much unprocessed information will send your brain into overdrive. Thus, it’s good judgment to step away from all the noisy headlines, breaking news, terror alarms and show-biz news anchors. It’s like when you look at a Claude Monet impressionist painting: if you stand too close, you only see a maze of little coloured dots, but when you take a dozen steps back then the beauty of the work unfolds before your eyes.

    In today’s information overdrive, we must join the dots correctly in spite of the global media’s insistence that we connect them all wrong.

    By now, most of us have realised that ours is “a planet at war”; not at war with some alien world (that would make things easier to understand!). Rather, we are a civilisation waging civil war with itself and against itself.

    Reading the global press, you might think this is a war between sovereign nations, but it’s more complicated than that. This world war is waged by a hugely powerful, illegitimate, authoritarian but numerically tiny Global Elite, embedded deep inside the public and private power structures of just about every nation on Earth; notably, the United States of America.

    Like a cancerous malignant tumour, we can’t remove it outright; we can only hope to weaken it and arrest its growth before it metastasizes, killing mankind’s whole body politic. What the world needs now is some subtle sort of “virtual political chemotherapy” to remove and destroy this malignant tumour governing the world.

    A key manifestation of this social and political illness lies in the extreme inequalities that exist in the USA, where the richest 1% of the population owns 35% of the country’s wealth, whilst the bottom 90% must do what they can with just 25% of national wealth. Worse still, the overwhelming majority of Congressmen, Senators, and top Executive Branch officers fall under the “top richest 1%” category.

    Understanding hidden intentions, long-term plans, hegemonic ambitions and the unconfessable plots necessary to achieve them is particularly important for US, UK, European and Australian citizens. After all, it’s their leaders who formally order their countries’ armed forces to ransack and destroy target countries.

    When voters in Argentina, Colombia, Nigeria or Malaysia choose the wrong leaders, they themselves are the sole victims of their bad electoral judgment. But when US, British or French voters in their folly put the wrong people in power in their countries, then hundreds of millions around the world suffer from their bombs, drones, invasions, interference and regime changes.

    more here: http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/final-conflict-2012-engineering-world-war-iii

  • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

    The so called “United States Of America” has been in a constant and continuous state of Civil War since probably the end of the first Civil War in 1865 or at least since the beginning of the Great Depression of 1929, although the seeds of the Great Depression might be traced back to the founding of the bankster cartel known as the Federal Reserve.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      No “might” about it. The Great Depression was just another of the Booms and Busts caused by the Federal Reserve Fractional Banking system. It was greatly exacerbated by meddling Politicians:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/Americas%20Great%20Depression.pdf

      • Jeff

        Then why did we have four Depressions in the 19th Century? And why, since the New Deal, have we avoided another (just barely in 2008)? The evidence would indicate that increased regulation of the economy and of banking and of Wall Street has made the economy more, not less, stable.

        • JeffH

          “Meddling” government and politicians were the key link to all of the 19th century depressions.

          The most likely reason for the depression of 1807-1814 was the trade embargo imposed by President Thomas Jefferson to try to keep the U.S. from getting involved in the wars raging in Europe.

          The Depression of 1837-1844. In June of 1836 Congress passed the Distribution Act which called for the distribution of the accumulated treasury surplus be distributed to the states on January 1 of 1837. Jackson issued his Specie Circular that required that after August 15, 1836 that only specie would be accepted in payment for government land sales. The Specie Circular did not make the bank notes valueless, it simply made their value relative to specie substantially less than it had been before. This effective reduction in the money supply brought about a deflation which in turn resulted in the failure of many enterprises, including farmers, who had paid high prices for resources such as land with borrowed funds expecting to pay off the loans with production selling at the higher prices that prevailed when they borrowed the money.

          The Depression of 1873-1879 was precipitated by the bankruptcy of the railroad investment firm of Jay Cooke and Co. but the deeper cause was the restrictive monetary policy of the Federal Government.The U.S. was on the Gold Standard but the increments in gold holdings was not sufficient to keep up with the demand for money resulting from the growth of the economy. Consequently there was deflation. This meant that even if the nominal interest rate were zero the real interest rate would be positive. Jay Cooke and Co. was just the first of about ninety railroads that went bankrupt.

          It is clear that the U.S. went through a severe economic depression during the period of 1893 to 1898. The cause of the depression was much in dispute at the time but the cascading failure of banks in Great Britain and Europe preceded the 1893 panic depression in the US. When their economies faltered, Britons and Europeans stopped investing in U.S. businesses, decreased purchases of American goods and sold their U.S. stock to obtain hard currency.
          A US financial panic occured in 1893 starting with the financial failure of the Philadelphia and Reading Railroad in January, followed by the National Cordage Co. in May. A string of railroad failures continued in 1893 through December.

          As has happened in other times some politicians went on record stating that the American economy was in a high state of prosperity just before the financial panic began and 500 banks and 16,000 businesses declared bankruptcy.

          .

          • Jeff

            Are you kidding? So even the “hands off the economy” ethos of the pre-Teddy Roosevelt era wasn’t pure enough for you? Do you actually believe we will EVER return to a period where the Government is LESS involved in the economy than it was in the 19th Century?

          • JeffH

            No I’m not kidding Unhinged Jeff!

            Where have I ever stated that I believed “we will EVER return to a period where the Government is LESS involved in the economy than it was in the 19th Century?” you ignoramus?

            Obviously the government wasn’t “hands off” enough to avoid causing 19th century depressions!

          • Jeff

            Excellent cutting and pasting. Are you a Rand Paul speechwriter? At least you didn’t lift that straight from wikipedia. I know San Jose State had some great track teams back in the 60s and they’ve upset Stanford in football a few times, but I don’t know that their Econ Dept is exactly the last word on the causes of 19th Century Depressions. Are you and Cousin Dave actually saying that we’d have no depressions with purely “free” markets?

          • JeffH

            Does this make you feel better Unhinged Jeff?
            Doesn’t change the facts one bit though does it?

            source: http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/useconhist.htm#GEN

            Unhinged Jeff says “Are you and Cousin Dave actually saying that we’d have no depressions with purely “free” markets?”

            Not even close and I don’t believe either of us ever said anything of the sort!

            Another bad attempt Unhinged Jeff, but you keep trying…and you’ll keep failing!

          • Jeff

            Well, I certainly was correct in assuming you didn’t write that analysis of the causes of 19th Century Depressions. You can either cut and paste something or just cite some Mises article like Cousin Dave. And actually you at least implied that all depressions are caused by government action, so it’s certainly a fair question whether you think we would have no depressions without government involvement in the economy.

          • JeffH

            Well woo whoop-de-do…guess I’m not perfect afterall, my bad, but unlike you screaming meme progressives I’ll take full blame for not leaving the link to my source, rare as that may be, rather than make excuses or try to blame the Tea Party or anybody else but myself for that matter.
            I gotta tell you I just got so excited dissing your 19th century depression conjecture that I couldn’t control myself.

            But, considering that was the best you got, I’ll remind you that even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then.
            But alas, you have once again proved that you’re just an ignoramus Unhinged Jeff…nothing more, nothing less.

          • Jeff

            You haven’t answered the question, rhetorical though it was.

          • JeffH

            Unhinged Jeff, why whould I even attempt to answer your meanigless, stupid and irrelevant question in the first place you unhinged ignoramus?

            It’s so easy to see right though your ilk. Oh, and you’re a lousy fisherman too!
            (I know that went right over your head…DUH!)

          • Jeff

            Jeff Hinged To Ted Cruz Nether Regions:

            It seems to me that someone pretending to intellectual accomplishment beyond 5th grade might exhibit a vocabulary of more than one word. I know you’re in love with “unhinged” (Is that what Daddy called you?), but you’ve become a real bore. At least when you were paying homage to Uncle Adolph and misrepresenting the meaning of “natural born citizen,” there was some genuine entertainment value to your posts (like listening to a true lunatic like Michael Savage). Now you’ve become boring and irrelevant like Mark Levin.

          • JeffH

            LMAO more than ever at you Unhinged Jeff. Such a simpleton you are!

            I’ll take my 5th grade vocabulary over your 3rd grade mentality any day of the week! And, as I said earlier, “It’s so easy to see right though your ilk.”

            Oh, and I’m a much better fisherman than you too…hook, line and sinker.

            Heh, heh, heh!

          • Jeff

            As long as you’re judging, you’re better at everything than everybody. Too bad you have to fake laugh to indicate a “joke.”

          • JeffH

            You’re nothing more than an ignorant child Unhinged Jeff.
            Heh, heh, heh!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Jeff, you have issued conjecture, that is all.
          Name the Depression, and I will show you that it was caused by Government meddling or, as in the case of the 1870s Depression it was a myth:
          http://bastiat.mises.org/2012/05/the-myth-of-the-great-depression-of-1873/

  • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

    “Is America Being Deliberately Pushed Toward Civil War?”
    YES….YES AND YES…..

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Well said and keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter and take no quarter! Yes, we are being pushed to a new Civil War. Here is an article that may tell what kind of war we may be facing.

      http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/11/race-war-occuring/

      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

      “My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism.”

      Karl Marx

  • JeffH

    Brandon Smith has delivered another well thought out, well documented and a spot on accurate account of the impending threat to our Constitutional Republic and those of us who recognize the puppet government in DC is just the voice of a much more diabolical group of “men”!

    I’ll remind all of you of a quote by a real greedy power monger “Dr. Evil” , Mayer Amschel Rothschild: ‘Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes the laws.’

    Brandon states that “Constitutional conservatives are also more likely to fight based on principal and heritage, rather than personal gain, and less likely to get wrapped up in the madness of mob activity.”

    While I agree with the premis, there are certainly other “Constitutional” minded patriots that will also join the fight based on the same principal and heritage, rather than personal gain, and less likely to get wrapped up in the madness of mob activity.

    Brandon correctly says “In response, the overall conservative culture has come under relentless attack by the establishment using the Administration of President Barack Obama as a middleman. The goal, I believe, is to direct conservative rage toward the Democratic left and away from the elites. The actions of the White House have become so absurd and so openly hostile as of late that I can surmise only that this is a deliberate strategy to lure conservatives into ill-conceived retaliation against a puppet government, rather than the men behind the curtain.”

    Brandon goes on to say “In the end, if we do not make the fight about the bankers and globalists, the Federal Reserve, the International Monetary Fund, the Council On Foreign Relations, etc., then everyone loses. Who wins in a new American civil war? If we become blinded by the trespasses of a certain White House jester, only the globalists will win.”

    Hence the propagandists and the indoctrinators like a Rothschild banking cabal representative, hedge fund giant and world money manipulator Geaorge Soros through his Open Society Institute have created groups and organizations that have molded the progressive modern movement which shares the intellectual roots of European state theorists like Hegel and Marx. History has shown their ideas came to fruition in 20th century Europe in the forms of communism in Russia, national socialism––that is, Naziism––in Germany, and fascism in Italy.

    The first modern Progressive president was Teddy Roosevelt, the second Woodrow Wilson elected in 1912 and stumping for the Central Banking system/Fed Res. Then it was FDR’s New Deal of the 1930s that took up where Wilson’s New Freedom left off, bringing to reality many of the Progressives’ aspirations in the form of a vast and deep expansion of government control of the economy.

    The progressives rejected the notion of negative liberty secured through a limited government, of “natural rights” and any subsequent limits of power set up to secure those rights. They viewed the Constitution as a roadblock to progress, not a bulwark of freedom. They saw unbridled freedom in capitalism as the chief enemy of their notion of freedom and sought to use government as the means to the end of social progress.

    Seeing individuals as actual or potential victims of capitalistic oppression, progressives believed the only way to liberate people was through the force of government headed by scientific experts. Government, then, should be used in a positive way to proactively liberate people from social and economic oppression in order to secure a higher social progress. Progressive freedom, then, is the freedom to become x, y, and z made possible through government-directed societal arrangements.

    They all believed that only a government so populated with and administered by elitists could be up to the job.

    According to the Declaration, rights such as Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness come from nature, are gifts of God, and therefore precede government. According to the progressives something close to the reverse needs be believed. Rights come after governments because “rights” are the results of positive actions taken by those in power.

    Progressivism prefers collective social welfare over its perceived adversary, individual freedom. It is an either or situation: you are free one way or free their way.

    You have a right to free speech, for example. It does my freedom and property no damage for you to exercise your right to free speech. You have a right to the free exercise of religion. Jefferson noted that, “It neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket” if you worship one God or a hundred gods. You and others may assemble freely to protest the government for any grievance, real or perceived, and it costs nothing of other’s property for you to do so. Your Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness takes nothing from my Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness.
    http://freedomlessons.net/freedom-101/progressives-and-tug-o-war/
    What about a “right to healthcare”? How can everyone have healthcare provided for them at no cost to them without that act of government first confiscating and them redistributing the property of other citizens? And if that happens, are we freer or less free to choose our own medical services with our own money, or has such a government program established for us the number of choices we have available? The number of services we may attain? The very doctor we can or cannot consult?

  • TML

    “Constitutional conservatives are also more likely to fight based on principal and heritage, rather than personal gain,…”
    “…make the fight about the bankers and globalists, the Federal Reserve, the International Monetary Fund, the Council On Foreign Relations, etc.”

    If the sh*t really hits the fan, a true constitutional conservative will understand that any physical violence or fighting (other than self-defense) would be within the constitutional power of federal government (with the aid of the States) to suppress those insurrections/rebellions. It would be an unorganized gorilla war of every man for himself, with scattered cells of ‘militia’ and/or mobs here and there called “terrorists”, no one knowing who their enemy is, except both Federal and State, and no ability to organize.

    The fight against bankers, globalists, Federal Reserve, International Monetary Fund, and Council on Foreign Relations, etc. is happening right now, through the use of the system, and should (and will) be ramped up even further. It’s about stopping the debasement of the dollar through taking the Fed’s power to print fiat currency with no backing, instating a balanced budget amendment, and personally I’d like to see the principles of international law actually encoded into the constitution.

    Should that fight fail and total economic collapse occur, the simplest form of severing those entities in the interest of securing self-preservation would be secession – allowing the state to coin its own currency, while severing all ties with those entities that brought about the collapse. And then the real war is possible, if, like before, the federal government refuses to recognize secession and still has the means of conducting war.

    It would be imperative to rally behind your State power in the event of economic collapse, rather than just the rogue actions of individuals trying to survive or rebel both Federal and State.

  • Charlie

    Brandon ,,, thanks for your well written article … How old are you ? The basic answers to , “Is America being pushed ” , can be seen by looking at some events that have happened in the last 30 years??? Are you familiar with the Gordon Kahl shoot out at North Dakota ? … Are you familiar with the Randy Weaver case ? where 2 counts of Murder 1 happened by your honorable U S Marshal Service 6 man swat team ?? … Of course every body knows , about Waco , Oklahoma , Twin Towers , 911 blow up ……. SO? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! America is and has been pushed for more than 30 years … Now??? what ?? 2 groups of over a million people each allowed or were part of the above noted “”Crimes””??? Would you believe it was primarily the “”Judeo- Christian “Churches”,,, AND ,,, secondary was the National Rifle Association … SO? are the DAA’s going to do anything ?? not much , why ? ,,, because the DAA’s are mostly , mental and spiritual midgets.
    Many of the members of the Judeo- Christian “Churches” and the NRA are also members of the Dumb A$$ Americans club … The DAA’s are basically “”Brainwashed” by the lies put out by the above 2 large groups … “They” do NOT understand how to become a “”True”” per The Holy Bible , Christian ,,, Acts 2:38 ,,, AND , in compliance with other Scriptures that are in harmony with Acts 2:38 … “They” fail to understand the harmony of “World History” , American History and The World History Book called The Holy Bible of The Almighty God … So? who is going to adjudicate the above “Crimes” ??? would you believe ? it is being adjudicated ,right now , by King Jesus Christ and a few of His “Servants”……………….. Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation …

  • Freespirit

    This is one of your best Brandon and BASICALLY what I have said in my past emails to my list of Libertarian and other Freedom Advocates. It is simply and VERY EFFECTIVELY “Divide and RULE” and seems to work every time, because of INDOCTRINATION, as I believe it will this time also……. . ….UNFORTUNATELY for Freedom, not to mention the waste of beautiful LIVES and PROPERTY!!! It is why I am no longer emailing to my list and ,instead, am concentrating on protecting myself, especially with property outside North America : http://www.angelfire.com/wv2/wildernessacreage

  • JeffH

    Over 1,000 US Army Special Forces Soldiers Sign Letter Supporting Second Amendment
    http://americathebattlefield.blogspot.com/2013/02/over-1000-us-army-special-forces.html
    Over 1,000 Green Berets have signed a letter re-asserting their Oath to support and defend the Constitution by protecting the Second Smendment rights of American citizens. They agree that the right to keep and bear arms is primarily a defense against government tyranny.

    “Throughout history, disarming the populace has always preceded tyrants’ accession of power. Hitler, Stalin, and Mao all disarmed their citizens prior to installing their murderous regimes. At the beginning of our own nation’s revolution, one of the first moves made by the British government was an attempt to disarm our citizens. When our Founding Fathers ensured that the 2nd Amendment was made a part of our Constitution, they were not just wasting ink. They were acting to ensure our present security was never forcibly
    endangered by tyrants, foreign or domestic.”

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter and accept no quarter! Well said! Well said! Though I know the libturds and progturds on this site will disagree with you. Oh well, just more libturd/progturd logs to roast on the fire. I love that bacony smell. Here is an article dealing with the Navy Seals.

      http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/11/navy-seals-ordered-wear-navy-jack-dont-tread-patch-uniforms-due-association-radical-groups/

      Here is an article about possible Brownshirt activities at Brown University. Now I thought Nazism was dead.

      http://www.townhall.com/columnists/monacharen/2013/11/01/brown-shirts-at-brown-u-n1734125/page/full

      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

      “Lest we forget at least an over the shoulder acknowledgement of the very first radical…the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom_Lucifer.”

      Saul Alinsky

    • Mole Johnson

      I suspect Barak would love to see a disarmed American people.

      • Cathy Hovey

        Absolutely. That way we have no way to defend ourselves when he sends his muslim black panthers after us.

        • macgyver1948

          Cathy Hovey …That is why the Second Amendment was included, to defend against the Government if they stray too much from the original American point. Many Liberals have guns too and they too would not like being ordered to UN-arm..

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, Luke 22:36 came before “The Constitution” …. King Jesus takes NO orders ,,, but ,,, all “True Christian” have “Prayer Power” with King Jesus ………………………

    • Jeff

      In how many of the amendments comprising the Bill of Rights do you simply ignore a portion of the amendment? The term “well regulated militia” was just a printer’s error? It has nothing to do with your unfettered access to all weapons? The State has no power to regulate “arms” in any manner? Just curious as even our right wing Supreme Court, even Scalia himself, won’t go that far.

      • JeffH

        You’re babbling again Unhinged Jeff.

        Thanks for sending me that copy of your new Xmas family video Unhinged Jeff…”Singing at the trough”

        Bah, bah, bahhhhhh!

      • macgyver1948

        Jeff…There is nothing wrong with the Second Amendment and more than that it is important, without printing errors, but we have to act with realistic common sense. It doesn’t mean we can park a weaponized Sherman Tank in our front yards. It could come up as a next step if sniper and high power auto rifles are oked. I do not hunt but I will not take that away from anyone. I have gone hunting with friends, myself gun-less but I know how to use them, and I cannot see using an auto rifle to hunt rabbit or even bear.

        What makes less sense to me is listening to NRA who says “What we need is more guns on the streets to fight criminal violence” when we should know them only as a special interest lobby group fighting for the bottom lines of the Gun makers. What would they say instead, “no, do not support the guys who are paying us”?

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Good day fellow patriots. Keep up the good fight and no quarter for the enemies of our country, Christian founding, and our Constitution. This would include Obama bin Laden. Here is some good news about Representative Issa and Sebelius the libturd/progturd.

    http://www.thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-impeimentation/188830-sebelius-hit-with-obamacare-subpoena

    Here is an article from Michelle Malkin about Michelle bin Laden and her crony capitalists.

    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2013/11/01/first-crony-michelle-obama-big-business-bonanza-n1734298/page/full

    I love it when a patriotic woman comes and tells the truth. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
    “Give me 4 years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.”

    Vladimir Lenin

    • JeffH

      Keep fighting fellow patriot!
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Right back at you, fellow patriot. The Samurai has your back. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

        • Jeff

          You guys are covered so long as the people attacking your backs are either The Three Stooges or John Belushi in his Halloween costume.

      • Jeff

        But your buddy Samurai wants Ted Cruz for President. Why don’t you explain why you can’t support such a thing, he being born on Jupiter and all?

        • macgyver1948

          Many in Texas do not want anything of Ted Cruz. Well, the Bachmann Tea bag lady does so if she does we have to see nothing but a joke in Cruz.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Care to cite a source on this? They like him more than that witch Wendy Davis. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Why don’t you explain how we have an Indonesian citizen in the White House? Especially one that is not a natural born citizen. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

          • Jeff

            I guess your leaving people out has little effect given that Obama is President. He was born an American. As a child, he lived with his American mother and an Indonesian step-father in Indonesia. Replace “Indonesian” with “British” and I think even you might see just how foolish your “argument” is.

          • JeffH

            Well Unhinged Jeff just inserted his foot in his mouth again.

            A 2007 Associated Press photograph taken by Tatan Syuflana, an Indonesian AP reporter and photographer, surfaced last week on the Daylife.com photographic website showing an image of Obama’s registration card at Indonesia’s Fransiskus Assisi school, a Catholic institution.

            In the picture, Obama is registered under the name Barry Soetoro by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. The school card lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii. His religion is listed as Muslim.
            http://www.wrko.com/blog/todd/barry-soetoro

  • WTS/JAY

    Come you masters of war
    You that build the big guns
    You that build the death planes
    You that build all the bombs
    You that hide behind walls
    You that hide behind desks
    I just want you to know
    I can see through your masks.

    You that never done nothin’
    But build to destroy
    You play with my world
    Like it’s your little toy
    You put a gun in my hand
    And you hide from my eyes
    And you turn and run farther
    When the fast bullets fly.

    Like Judas of old
    You lie and deceive
    A world war can be won
    You want me to believe
    But I see through your eyes
    And I see through your brain
    Like I see through the water
    That runs down my drain.

    You fasten all the triggers
    For the others to fire
    Then you set back and watch
    When the death count gets higher
    You hide in your mansion’
    As young people’s blood
    Flows out of their bodies
    And is buried in the mud.

    You’ve thrown the worst fear
    That can ever be hurled
    Fear to bring children
    Into the world
    For threatening my baby
    Unborn and unnamed
    You ain’t worth the blood
    That runs in your veins.

    How much do I know
    To talk out of turn
    You might say that I’m young
    You might say I’m unlearned
    But there’s one thing I know
    Though I’m younger than you
    That even Jesus would never
    Forgive what you do.

    Let me ask you one question
    Is your money that good
    Will it buy you forgiveness
    Do you think that it could
    I think you will find
    When your death takes its toll
    All the money you made
    Will never buy back your soul.

    And I hope that you die
    And your death’ll come soon
    I will follow your casket
    In the pale afternoon
    And I’ll watch while you’re lowered
    Down to your deathbed
    And I’ll stand over your grave
    ‘Til I’m sure that you’re dead.

    -Bob Dylan

    • macgyver1948

      I was a huge Dylan fan. This song was published in 1963 and these
      lyrics are a protest against the Cold War arms build-up of the early 1960s. There was and still is a lot to protest today but we should keep it non-violent or we many lose it all.

      • WTS/JAY

        Something we can agree on, mac!

        • macgyver1948

          Jay… If we both love this country and Liberty I am sure there can be other things for us to agree on even as we stay to our respective sides of the aisle. I think the Founders would like it that way – different angles on views looking for the same “best for the country and its
          people” goals.

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    Bad news: Terry McAuliffe narrowly wins Virginia governor’s race

    “A major Democratic Party benefactor and Obama campaign bundler helped pay for professional petition circulators responsible for getting Virginia Libertarian gubernatorial candidate Robert C. Sarvis on the ballot — a move that could split conservative votes in a tight race.

    Campaign finance records show the Libertarian Booster PAC has made the largest independent contribution to Sarvis’ campaign, helping to pay for professional petition circulators who collected signatures necessary to get Sarvis’ name on Tuesday’s statewide ballot.

    Austin, Texas, software billionaire Joe Liemandt is the Libertarian Booster PAC’s major benefactor. He’s also a top bundler for President Barack Obama. This revelation comes as Virginia voters head to the polls Tuesday in an election where some observers say the third-party gubernatorial candidate could be a spoiler for Republican Ken Cuccinelli.” http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/05/revealed-obama-campaign-bundler-helping-fund-libertarian-in-tight-va-gubernatorial-race/

    Sleazy DEMONcraps can’t live without cheating.

  • Bob666

    The Wall Street Journal News Alert

    Terry McAuliffe Elected Virginia Governor

    Terry McAuliffe, a businessman and former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, won an unexpectedly close contest for the governor’s office in Virginia Tuesday.

    With 96% of precincts reporting, Mr. McAuliffe had 47.1% to 46.2% for Republican Ken Cuccinelli, the state’s attorney general.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      That’s just bad news for Virginia. Having another libturd/progturd as a governor. Bad for us, the country, women, Christians, traditional marriage, and the unborn. Here is a video showing what the real goals are for Obama bin Laden.

      http://www.westernjournalism.com/shocking-obama-videos-reveal-real-goal/

      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

      “For we must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”

      2 Corinthians 5:10

      • Bob666

        Yo Sammy,

        Bad news or not, this is why I post the polls that I post. There is a trend that is taking place in our society and the conservative Tea-Party has lost it’s appeal to mainstream voters (who decide elections in this country).

        Listen to the propaganda and those who spread it here if you wish, but math does not care about political agendas. 2 + 2 = 4 not mater who controls the house or executive branch. Math does not care about abortion or welfare reform or separation of church & state.

        The question that you need to ask your self is; would a Chris Christie be better in the White-house than a Hillary Clinton?

        And to squash the propaganda like a cock-roach, no- I am not happy about the election, I choose to accept the reality that it represents.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          As to your question about whether Christie or Hitlery would be better in the White House, I have a different answer. How about Cruz and Palin. Now that sounds like a winning combination to me. Here is an article about Winston Churchill and Socialism.

          http://www.politichicks.tv/column/present-dangers-socialist-movement-winston-churchill/

          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

          “I have not yet begun to fight!”

          John Paul Jones

          • macgyver1948

            samurai … Hopefully some day you will know, before it is too late, your Hitler reference in “Hitlery” is more deserving to some on the Right.

            Take a look at this comparison chart. IT couldn’t be more righteous in its comparisons as history would explain it. If you are going to be there, as the unoriginal Dave might say, “own it”. :-)

            http://www.seanbond.me/goptea-nazi-germany/

            And hopefully you know John Paul Jones was fighting for equality and liberty for all equally, not only as how your side sees it these days.

            Shalom, peace in this case, samurai. Maybe peaceful ways should be your goals for America for a nice
            Christian boy such as you. But then you too seem to have that “bible in one hand and a gun in the other” attitude as though you feel you are a soldier of God and of the Right. Please check out that comparison chart I suggest above so you will have a better idea of
            who you are defending.

          • Bob666

            Wow Sammy,
            We just saw democrats and mainstream republicans get elected yesterday proving a mandate that the majority of Americans are not just moving away, but running away from hard-core ultra conservatives and the Tea-Party, so you come back with Palin (never to be elected again) and Cruz who has helped bring the popularity of congress to an all time low.

            Your post reminds me of Charlie Sheen going through his melt down a couple of years ago when he was running around the country yelling “Winning”!

        • Robert Messmer

          Either one would be a disaster for the country. Although with Christie in the WH maybe McD’s would bring back Super-sized Fries.

          • macgyver1948

            Robert…More heart attacks and swollen blood vessels with Micky Ds. There are enough fat heads all the time in politics in general.

        • Name

          Obama should’ve never been President of the USA because he violates the law of the land (Constitution) and goes about doing what he wants for himself and not the American people. Obama claims he wants to help the middle class but really hurts them by making policy that doesn’t fit the middle class.

    • Cathy Hovey

      Notice how close the race was, yet I got an e-mail from the democraps (somehow I’m on their e-mail list) talking about how they really buried Cuccinelli and of course, are partying about it. And for democraps not to let up, because there are more elections that need to be fought and won. I want to mail yesterdays WND article to a major VA newspaper and ask them to print it, now that VA has chosen a corrupt thief for their new governor.

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        Cathy, the individual you are replying to is very happy that DEMONcrap won. He is one of them.

      • macgyver1948

        Cathy Hovey… A win is a win and the cheering is always deserved. Your side does it too.

    • Merle Dickey

      Just like the Obama election. I would demand a recount ,done in virginia!

      • Bob666

        OK Merle,
        I will probably regret this question, but here we are. Let’s say there was a recount and the results were to be exactly the same, what would your comments be then?

        • Merle Dickey

          If George Soros machines weren’t involved in the count then I would surrender.And in the future I would like to see voter I D come back in. I have always showed my ID untill the 2012 election. Never regret a sensible question:)

          • Bob666

            OK Merle,
            I get it, you believe everything that you read on the net and listen to “talk” radio all day.

            That clears it up for me.

        • macgyver1948

          Bob… recounts will not mean anything unless they satisfy the agendas of Tea. Remember the first little bush Florida election? Remember the little bush lost the popular vote but tthat didn;t matter. Chads anyone,? LOL

    • Deerinwater

      This win was predicted two weeks ago.

      Thank you , Tea Party ~ I really do want to thank you from the heart of my bottom.

      • macgyver1948

        Deerinwater… the saddest part is the more Tea loses the more desperate and dangerous they get. Watch as you lose more how they will to the Tea-speak thing more ferociously.

    • macgyver1948

      Bob666 … Good deal for Virginia . Too bad we cannot say that for New Jersey

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Bad deal for Virginia. I guess you support all the crap he does. Here is something that the godless party supports. Why? Maybe they have drank too much kool aid, like you and Jeff.

        http://www.godfatherpolitcs.com/13150/enda-bill-means-end-religious-freedom/

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

        “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”

        Benjamin Franklin

        • macgyver1948

          samurai… You refer to a party you will not even look into as “the godless party”. Why, because you are told to? It is so easy to call those who you do not agree with names like commie or Nazi or “the godless
          party” so I can just as easily call the Tea Party, the controllers of the GOP, a Nazi party of today. It is that easy. Did you look at that comparison chart I offered you and others here several times yet or are you also afraid to? Here it is again if you are too lazy to look for it as well as afraid of finding out what could be truth –
          http://www.seanbond.me/goptea-nazi-germany/

          Who decides when violence is Godly and acceptable? You bible toting gun waving guys who want excuses to commit murder anyway of those who do not agree with them? Yeah, that is very Godly.

          You included quote. “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.” Benjamin Franklin

          Most Liberals love America too (regardless of what you are told to believe), and we want the Constitution with equal Liberties for all US citizens at least as much as you on the Right claim. Maybe we need to find ways to do that together and fight those in Government,
          peacefully at the polls, who are not doing the jobs we voted/hired them into. It is all the voters fault, regardless of side, for voting them in time and time again. And if we listen to hate for the other side from our chosen leaders it is very much more our fault. It is
          that hate that is Godless. I have a feeling some “chosen” leaders want to keep us divided, again, refer to that chart I keep offering.

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Keep up the good fight fellow patriots. No quarter and accept no quarter! I smell libturds and progturds roasting on an open fire. I love that smell first thing in the morning. It just wakes you up and alerts your senses. Here is an article in which a psychiatrist explains how Obama bin Laden is destroying America’s kids.

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/psychiatrist-obama-ruining-americas-kids/

    This must be true with the dumbing down of American education and the uncommon core programs in place. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

    “Whatever makes men good Christians makes them good citizens.”

    Daniel Webster
    U.S. Senator
    Secretary of State
    “Defender of the Constitution”
    Devout Christian

    • macgyver1948

      samurai… It is not ONLY Christianity that makes for good citizens
      or patriotism Please do not confuse that reality in
      America. All religions are equal here according to the US
      Constitution. Did you miss that when you were taught about Liberty
      and the Constitution?

      • Charlie

        Maco , Wako , you’re backo ,,, with some “”Religion”” brains ,,, but,,, a small question ,,, IF?,,, The Almighty God is The Almighty God?? How did these “other” gods become “”Equal”” ????????
        King Jesus Christ ,,, Lord of lords King of kings ,,, with NO equal ,,, EXCEPT His Father , The Almighty God… It’s in The Book ,,, read and heed or , pay the price for your foolish deeds….
        Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation …

        • macgyver1948

          Charlie… WOW, LOL> LOL> LOL… With you asking “IF?,,, The Almighty God is The Almighty God?? How did these “other” gods become “”Equal”” ????????” how can anyone do anything but laugh at you. LOL.

          This is really a funny question. I told you so many times I believe in the only God there is, The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. For you to ask that funny and ridiculous question what does it take to get
          through to you? There are no other gods, not even parts or sections of gods. You never change in your nuttiness. LOL.

          I also told you many times I do not believe in your Christian Messiah Jesus or in any Christian bible so again — AGAIN — what is your point? LOL

          You continue to butcher logic in your attempts to use Christian scripture to do what, convince me of something? How many times have I said this to you “to convince someone of any something you have to use
          something they believe in or are willing to accept”? You are such a logic-non-competent. You go on proving that so why do I have to go on telling you that. LOL…

          I am happy that, as you say, “all “True Christian” have
          “Prayer Power” with King Jesus
          ………………………”…

          Two questions Charlie boy. !~- did you ever hear of the US Constitution ?

          2- Did you ever hear of Freedom Of Religion? IF you call yourself a patriot you are a liar and a hypocrite but I know you have more problems than those.. Sorry Charlie, you are rejected again. LOL.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, well ,,, after you finish laughing , just give a simple answer that is logical ,,, IF?,, you can…. As you have proven before with your non – Biblical answers ,,, you are still into Heathenism , foolishness and stupidity , with little to no Historical books to back up your writes…

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… Give it up Charlie. You ignore a lot of what I send you and then say, of the stuff I included before, I offer nothing. Well, with your dead had attitude on how your ways of religion are the only Right ways for
            all you aren’t worth continuing in this. You just do not want to understand that other religions have as much right to be as yours. You do not allow others to believe how they choose even though they have as much rights to their beliefs as you. So, what is the point to you?

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, as you should know by now , The Holy Bible is NOT a religion !!! IT is a “”Way”” of Life , under King Jesus Christ …. Are you trying to rejuvenate you mind with “Truth” from The God Almighty’s Complete Book of “Truth”???… Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation …

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… OI know what bibles are and what they are for. I know they aren’t a religion but more so a guide for a religion who chooses to go by that particular ‘chosen’ bible…I have always known that.

            What you seem to be too thick-headed and/or programmed about is, and I have told you this maybe 100 or so times already, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN WHAT YOUR CHOSEN BIBLE SAYS. WHY can’t you get that through your “thick-headed and/or programmed” skull? IT is my God-given right and my Constitutional right to believe as I choose. You are a phony in more than one area.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, well ,,, knot headed brainwashed heathen , it matters not IF? you believe “”Truth””” or not ,,, Truth is still Truth… Now ,,, when it comes to believing a “Mere Man” such as you OR? ,,, believing The Holy Bible ,,, I will believe The Holy Bible any day ….
            Now ,,, for the Constitution ,,, man cannot grant rights ,,, that is King Jesus’s “”Jurisdiction””… The Constitution means very little ,,, UNLESS ,,, backed up by The Holy Bible … Now ,,, the dark forces of Satan , may deceived you into “”Thinking””” anything … BUT ,,, what did King Jesus say ? “”be not deceived””,,, let us give you a clue,,,
            You are duped , deceived and deluded by the Satanic power that be … Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation …

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… I cannot resist your insanity at times. Dictionary definition says “heathen – uncivilized or God-less person”.

            Since you know I am Jewish and very much a believer in God how does your insanity apply to me? I will always say YES to God, as HE speaks to us in the Hebrew Bible, than you go along with your bigotry and
            ignorance AND intolerances. You seem to be against Judaism because it doe not conform with your insane version of Christianity and that shows your anti-liberty sentiment when it comes to the Constitution as well.

            With “Now ,,, for the Constitution ,,, man cannot grant rights ,,, that is King Jesus’s “”Jurisdiction””…” you show once again you have no concept of logic. Keep it up little fella but the more you do that the more you show you ignorance. How can I care what you say is your chosen authority if I do not believe in that
            authority of your, your Jesus?

            “Truth” that cannot be proven is only chosen belief or faith until it is proven. You cannot prove a thing until you can go back in time, being your Jesus to this time, and have him prove he is who you say he is.
            Bring him here and PROVE IT or it is only chosen belief or faith. If you are wondering why I suggest a fantasy solution, still limited to the level of science we currently enjoy, it is because I am trying to appeal to your programmed child’s mind. Logic can be used as your proof ONLY if the person you attempt to prove something to accepts your sources, others it is only your opinionated fantasy to that person. DUHHHH!!! I cannot go on trying to figure out how many ways
            to tell you that but it does get challenging with you. I am going to give up on you as the hopeless little boy you are very soon.

            I could get angry with you again for insulting Judaism, with your cr*ap about who I am fooled by, with fantasy “Now ,,, the dark forces of Satan , may deceived you into “”Thinking””” anything … BUT ,,, what did King Jesus say ? “”be not deceived””,,, let us give you a clue,,, You are duped , deceived and deluded by the Satanic power that be …” but you aren’t worth the negative emotion. I told you often enough believing
            in Jesus for Jews is a mortal sin and that violates the first two of the 10 Commandants as well as other parts of what God tells us in the Hebrew Bible.

            So, considering that last paragraph, you Charlie boy, are the “the dark forces of Satan” to me and Jews in general. As I have told you before, I will not say no to God for you are anyone else.

            To each his own faith Charlie or start your own dark evil sided country and force your religious and political beliefs on everyone who joins you since you seem to be trying that here. You can start with “Freedom Of Religion as long as ‘you all’ totally agree with how I
            see it all. Then do the same with all your political beliefs. After all, Charlie boy, how can you be wrong?

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, wako ,,, stacko ,,, stacking “It” higher and wider …
            OK? ha ha ha ha ,,, lets take some of your El Toro dung from the stack and dissect it for % of “Truths” as defined per “”ANY”” normally recognized Books of Authority on definitions …. Even the slang words I used above have very pointed definitions from other base words ….
            For months now you have been writing these words ,,, God / god , Jew , Jewish … Taking parts of The Holy Bible and denying “The” main Man / Spirit of the entire Holy Bible of The Almighty God and His Son King Jesus Christ … OK? let’s check some verses from your part of The Bible … Go to 1 Chronicles 16:13 ,,, it basically says the Children of a Man Named Jacob Israel are God’s Chosen People ,,, 1 Chronicles 16 : 13 , DOES NOT say bloodline Jews only are God’s Chosen People …… OK? Maco give us your version of 1 Chronicles 16:13 …………
            Standing by for the stacko ……………………………………..

          • macgyver1948

            Oh Charlie, Charlie boy… Are you still standing by? I thought for a nano second how you would respond this time and you did not disappoint, you do it in typical Charlie boy style. I always try to use the capital “G” whenever I use Yahweh’s (YHWH if you prefer)
            title, God, but I can forget at times. You pointed that out to me this time so thank you and I will be more careful in the future. :-)..

            Here you say to me “For months now you have been writing these words ,,, God / god , Jew , Jewish … Taking parts of The Holy Bible and denying “The” main Man / Spirit of the entire Holy Bible of The Almighty God and His Son King Jesus Christ …”. You just go on
            not getting it and that is why I strongly feel you need powerful psychological help. Charlie, I am not denying anything for you, what is in your (chosen) bible is for you if you believe and accept it all. I am denying that is the ways for Jews to believe according to the Hebrew
            Bible and how we are taught the Hebrew scriptures ever since Torah was given to Moses for us. I can go on for ever telling you it is a MORTAL SIN for Jews to accept Jesus in any way other than his belong a man, all mortal, who happened to be Jewish and a rabbi a couple of thousand years ago, nothing more to us, but your think programming will not allow you to see all that. I know you will continue not to get that but there is where you need the help. You just refuse to accept for others their rights to believe as they choose.

            Then we are doing this again, well you begin it. In the first book of Writings, 1 Chronicles 16:13, in the Hebrew and original Hebrew Bible, what you guys decided to rename as the “Old Testament”
            starting with the Catholic Bible in the last part of the 3rd and start of the 4th centuries, we have:

            1
            Chronicles 16:12 – 18, just so we do not take anything out of context for you –

            12 Remember His marvellous works that He hath done, His wonders, and the judgments of His mouth;

            13 O ye seed of Israel His servant, ye children of Jacob, His chosen ones.

            14 He is the LORD our God; His judgments are in all the earth.

            15 Remember His covenant for ever, the word which He commanded to a thousand generations;

            16 [The covenant] which He made with Abraham, and His oath unto Isaac;

            17 And He established it unto Jacob for a statute, to Israel for an everlasting covenant;

            18 Saying: ‘Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance.’

            I am not sure what you are getting at with your question. To me 1 Chronicles 16:13 says, what it is saying as it continues, that the future generations of Abraham, Issac and tribed from Jacob’s 12 sons,
            would be who inherits what God promises Abraham by way of, here, 16 “[The covenant] which He made with Abraham, and His oath unto Isaac”, going on saying what that .covenant in 17 and 18. What do you think it means? What are you seeing in this that isn’t there as
            you so often do with the Hebrew Bible just to justify something in your belief system?

            Ok, to your “DOE S NOT say bloodline Jews only are God’s Chosen People …… OK?”. What are the descendants of Abraham, Issac and Jacob
            if not bloodline Jews. Prove I am not that but to do so you would have to go back in time to the 3 fore fathers of Judaism and take blood samples for DNA testing to compare to my DNA. Until you do I will go on believing, as I was told all my life, I am a “bloodline Jew”.

            I know what Hebrew tribe I am of but can you tell us what Hebrew tribe Jesus was bloodlined from? Before you try to please remember that is determined by the biological father’s tribe and you claim he has no biological father. Sorry Charlie if that is a curve ball to you but please tell us what tribe Jesus comes from if you say he is related to King David.

            Personally I would not doubt Jesus is related to King David on his father’s side but I believe Joseph was his biological father.

            Are you still standing by? Shalom Charlie boy, :-).

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            If you keep feeding him, I hope that he has had all of his shots and is house broken……….

          • Charlie

            YO YO ,,, do you live in snake country ? I’m looking for a good snake dog ,, they don’t need shots , they eat snake oil for medicine ….

          • macgyver1948

            Bob666… Yeah I know. He does miss all the points of other people’s rights to their beliefs. He seems to negate both God’s Free Will and Freedom Of Religion but I think he really does need help as he also hasn’t got a glue on how to use logic. I can’t give the help to him but I read his
            BS and I wait until I have time to respond. When it comes to “feeding” him, he is very much at home on the Right on this site the way he either leaves out certain words of what I say or he just cannot remember well enough because I have answered many of his questions several times. We should pity him.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, wacko ,,, your El Toro dung stacko , has been exposed ,,, see lineage above……………………………..

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, wacko ,,, your El Toro dung stacko , has been exposed ,,, see lineage above……………………………..

          • macgyver1948

            Bob… it was a trying day dealing with the zoo inmate Charlie today. He goes so far over board with not see the same answers to him. His refusal to accept other people’s rights to their religion is from He*ll. I am so ok with how he believes for himself but he is nasty in his attacks. Oh well, Soon I will give up and not respond to him because I see not medical help for him in his future and he so badly needs it.

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            that is specifically why I ignore him-His mind is gone!

          • macgyver1948

            Bob666… Yeah gone in an eternal programmed do-loop or do-until. He is getting more Nazi-like the more he speaks and that includes his defense of Nazis. There is a straight jacket and rubber room with his name permanently engraved on them.

          • Charlie

            YO YO ,,, where did My mind go ? Is a mindless Nazi worse than a anti- Christ Jew ??? Hey! I’m, still looking for the yo yo you stole ………………………………………..

          • Bob666

            Yo Charlie,
            Jesus may in fact love you, the rest of us believe you need to seek help because you’re a but-case.

          • Charlie

            YO YO ,,, give some phone numbers for some good Psycho head shrinks ,,,, IF? they can afford Me I will treat them … Give some details on what a but-case is ………..
            Is that a case of toilet paper???

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, sorry ,about the delay , I had to go get some brain food , to be ready for the next head shrink , I’m going to drive crazy … But , We will settle for expanding your brainwashed mind …. OK , to improve your Bible Lineage knowledge , you need to buy the Lineage chart from Adam to King Jesus Christ , it cost about 20 bucks , maybe IF? you tell them you are a bloodline Jew , you might be able to “Jew” them down on price ,,, But that’s after they finish laughing … It’s made by Good Things Company , Norman , Oklahoma , their phone is 888-482-6552 … It’s about a 2 foot by 3 foot wall chart,,, it’s a fantastic training aid , been using one for years …
            Since 1 Chronicle 16:13 is in your Bible ,,, but ,,, you are not able to figure out what it says , because , you do not have The Gift of The Holy Spirit as Acts 2:38 says it gives when accomplished per The Bible … Anyway what 1 Chronicles 16: 13 says , is that The Lineage of a Man named Jacob Israel are God’s servants and Chosen People … Jacob Israel is the Father of the 4th son of Leah , a man named “Judah” … The word “”Jew”” DID NOT even exist until Judah took his share of the “”Promised”” land , so , people that lived in that land area were known as “Jews”… Now don’t forget Jacob’s twin Brother was Esau Edom , the lineage of Esau Edom are the modern day Edomite Jews , that King Jesus pointed out at John 8 :35–55…
            King Jesus Christ is in the Lineage of Judah , so, He is a Bloodline Jew , but, His Spirit (Sole) is God ,,, King Jesus Christ is God come to Earth in the flesh … All the above is in The Book ,,, some , even in your book …..
            Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation ….

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, sorry ,about the delay , I had to go get some brain food , to be ready for the next head shrink , I’m going to drive crazy … But , We will settle for expanding your brainwashed mind …. OK , to improve your Bible Lineage knowledge , you need to buy the Lineage chart from Adam to King Jesus Christ , it cost about 20 bucks , maybe IF? you tell them you are a bloodline Jew , you might be able to “Jew” them down on price ,,, But that’s after they finish laughing … It’s made by Good Things Company , Norman , Oklahoma , their phone is 888-482-6552 … It’s about a 2 foot by 3 foot wall chart,,, it’s a fantastic training aid , been using one for years …
            Since 1 Chronicle 16:13 is in your Bible ,,, but ,,, you are not able to figure out what it says , because , you do not have The Gift of The Holy Spirit as Acts 2:38 says it gives when accomplished per The Bible … Anyway what 1 Chronicles 16: 13 says , is that The Lineage of a Man named Jacob Israel are God’s servants and Chosen People … Jacob Israel is the Father of the 4th son of Leah , a man named “Judah” … The word “”Jew”” DID NOT even exist until Judah took his share of the “”Promised”” land , so , people that lived in that land area were known as “Jews”… Now don’t forget Jacob’s twin Brother was Esau Edom , the lineage of Esau Edom are the modern day Edomite Jews , that King Jesus pointed out at John 8 :35–55…
            King Jesus Christ is in the Lineage of Judah , so, He is a Bloodline Jew , but, His Spirit (Sole) is God ,,, King Jesus Christ is God come to Earth in the flesh … All the above is in The Book ,,, some , even in your book …..
            Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation ….

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… So you want me to go to a Christian based whatever and you expect me to believe them as much I believe you? LOL.. There is no bottom to your lack of thinking ability.

            It is funny how you continue to do as I accuse you of. That is you take The Hebrew Bible as well as the Scriptures in Torah, one that has been around so long before anyone had a clue about Jesus or any of your bibles. You put your own meanings to Hebrew Scripture that was never there before and you expect me to give credibility to you as you attempt to justify something that you believe. I am so tired of saying these things to you. You cannot take an existing set of work, especially when it is so many hundreds of years older than you beliefs, and redefine it to justify your whatever. There is no credibility in that. For so long before Mary and Joseph had Jesus no one even thought of him and then you come along and make up new meaning for accepted scripture.

            The First Jew was Abraham. Who ever told you otherwise, just because someone’s name begins with the letters “JU”, as in Judah (you seem to want to push that as if it were a common sense thing because
            of the 1st two letters), doesn’t change the facts according to the original texts, LIED TO YOU to justify what they were teaching concerning Hebrew Scriptures. It would be like the accepted history of WW2 was rewritten to say The US started
            the huge war and Hitler was actually the good guy.

            I told you or samari that Hitler’s Nazi’s rewrote the Christian Bible for their purposes and with their interceptions and that bible leaves out all references to Jesus being Jewish. They knew they are right
            just as you do. Hitler and the Nazis did what you do so would you consider what they did correct and respectful of history and the “Facts” as you see hem? bible We need to got past this because I am tired of telling you these things over and over again just because you refuse to accept Judaism. I know there are so many contractions between our beliefs and bibles, The Hebrew Bible and your chosen
            interceptions of the “Old Testaments along with the New Testaments, but we have to get past that and accept how we each chose to believe.

            References:

            The Aryan Jesus: Christian Theologians and the Bible in Nazi Germany (Charlie, here they say “Was Jesus
            a Nazi? During the Third Reich, German Protestant theologians, motivated by racism and tapping into traditional Christian anti-Semitism, redefined Jesus as an Aryan and Christianity as a religion at war with Judaism. )
            http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8820.html

            Did Hitler rewrite the Bible?

            by Russell Grigg

            http://creation.com/hitler-bible

            Hitler’s Christianity
            http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

            Religion in Nazi Germany
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

            Charlie. I say when a new group takes the original scriptures to publish a bible they do that so it reads how they want their followers, current and future generations, to believe. The Catholic Bible was done that way and so were all the centuries later Protestant Bibles, including your King James Version. Ask your self, “Who put together those original scriptures (who wrote them?, Please remember God wrote Torah
            and taught it to Moses and that is how we Jews know Torah and its meanings til today. Who do you think scribed the Dead sea Scrolls?), not from translation but from original Hebrew teachings and Torah, of
            the Hebrew Bible that so many of your Christian bible publishers used to translate from many centuries later to re-write with their desired interpretations for your “Old Testaments?””. God said we cannot change anything about Torah, not one bit, wording, definition and I showed here a few times where the Rabbi Jesus quotes God on that. Why are you guys going against God and what Jesus said concerning that? How do you rewrite your Jesus, and more importantly, God ? Were they wrong and you Right?

            Charlie, do you remember these? Different Christian Bibles may have translated and worded these a bit differently but you get the point.

            (In Matthew 5:17, Jesus said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Til heaven and earth pass, one dot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the law, till all be
            fulfilled.”) and Luke 16:17, “It is easier for heaven and
            earth to pass away, than for one dot of the Law to become void”

            My questions to you based on these quotes are “Do heaven and earth still exist and if they do why do you reinvent the meanings of original Torah?”. If you feel the need to justify your beliefs but corrupting the meaning of Torah then rethink all of what you think.
            All bibles and religions should be able to stand on their own merits and not tear apart and redo other religions and their bibles. Do you really think you know better than God and you have the ability to correct Him?

            Your disregard for Freedom Of Religion is getting old and I do not care how you believe, it is just your right as my beliefs are mine. They contradict because they are of different religions. Go tell Muslims and Buddhists and Hindus they are wrong and see how far you get. They wont put up with your cra*p and lack of respect either.

            To each his/her own faith with equal-to-your-own-respect-for-other’s-beliefs or you deserve no respect for your beliefs. Choppy but true. Charlie, you have no
            respect for others so you deserve none.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, talk about hitting the bottom,,, now ,,, you bring up Adolph Hitler to pick on ,,, was AH a pure German ??? what was AH’s lineage???
            A modern day German that was in Germany as a kid during WW2 , exposed a lot of WW2 “Propaganda” ,,, his name is Ernst Zundel … His history for the last 20 years tells all one needs to know about the “corruption” of the Modern day so called “”Jews””,,, AND ,,, Ernst Zundel is not even a professed “Christian” ,,, even so , he beat the hell out of some of the Modern day “”Jew “” Lies … Just do a word search on “Ernst Zundel” to come up with the many articles concerning his fight against the Modern day Jew , anti- Christ , nit wits …
            Now ,,, back to The Blond haired , blue eyed , Bloodline Jew , named King Jesus Christ , and His Law Book called The Holy Bible of The Almighty God … His History Book says , Noah and his 3 sons and wives were God’s Choice of all the people on planet Earth at the time… See that at Genesis 6, 7 , 8 , in “Your” Bible …
            God , split up the 3 sons of Noah , Shem , Ham and Japheth and their lineage at Genesis 11 … Shem and his lineage were NOT at the tower of Babel , split up and scattering … Shem and his were the good guys left at home with Daddy Noah … BUT!!!,,, about 7-8 Generations after Shem comes Abraham ,, of course born as a “”Shemite” ,,, NOT A JEW!!! ,,, then comes the second son of Abraham , born to Sarah , named Isaac ,,, then comes the twin sons of Isaac , born of Rebekah , named Esau and Jacob ,,, both these boys were ,,, “Shemites” ,,, NOT JEWS!!! ,,, NOW!!! a major split off happened , blessed by God and his Mother ,,, Jacob took over “The Birth Rights “”…. NOW ,,, Jacob had 12 sons by his “”4″” wives… Notice ,,, all these people were “”Shemites”” ,,,NOT JEWS ,,, now ,,, Leah the first wife of Jacob had a 4th son named Judah ,,, all these people were “”Shemites”” NOT JEWS!!! … SO? welcome to the world of “””Shemtes””,,, NOT JEWS ,,,
            BUT!!! ,,, the word “”Jew”” came from the Name Judah and / or JerUSAlem the major town of Judah’s land area……….. Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation …

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… WOW could you be any more of a dummy as you always miss the points. I brought up Hitler to show you that Bible Publishers do their publishing thing, and religious groups choose the bible they do (or create it), as they go about explaining what it is about for their
            own purposes and to get followers. Even Hitler distorted reality to serve his hate for the Jews but to also show how Right he and the Nazis are.

            You and I have been through this already several times and you bring that Nazi up again. He exposed no truth as you would like him to but he does spread Nazi Propaganda. You say here “A modern day German that was in Germany as a kid during WW2 , exposed a lot of WW2 “Propaganda” ,,, his name is Ernst Zundel ..”. Zundel is a riot starter, he promoted violence as the Nazis do and he lies about the holocaust not being a real thing. He seems to be your idol as maybe Hitler is as well. The Canadian government had him arrested
            for many things but starting and encouraging riots were big among them. I knew people who were in Concentration camps, with tattooed numbers on their forearms, as I told you before, and they say, through their horrifying experiences, the holocaust IS REAL. I also told you when I was stationed in Rhine-Maine Germany, when I was in the US Air Force, and traveled around the country several older Germans, when they saw my dog tags around my neck, which included my
            religion, they apologized for allowing Hitler to do those things, things they also knew he did. I have also spoken with people from Poland who were there then too and they know of Auschwitz and their concentration camps and what went on in them.

            I also told you I get the feeling you are a Nazi as is Zundel, or at the very least a Nazi “sympathizer”, which explains your disrespect and denial of Judaism. Did you learn your form of Christianity form Nazis using their bible? I will go by my beliefs and experiences and not listen to liars such as Zundel and you. I have read many things from and about Zundel and I will pass on doing any further since I will most likely find what I have already read. Thanks for the suggestion on learning more about your idol though.

            You then say “Now ,,, back to The Blond haired , blue eyed , Bloodline Jew , named King Jesus Chri st”. LOL.. How do you know what color his hair or eyes were? Were you back there with him to see what he
            looked like? LOL. Biology, being what it is, he most likely looked like the people of that area, you know, Arabic like. He could have been a 5’1 brown-hairy brown-eyed Arabic looking guy just like his brothers and mom since he was born of his mom. I think he could also look like his daddy Joseph, but we do not need to go there now, LOL. Are you trying to imply an Aryan/German look for your Jesus? Most likely he wasn’t European looking at all, let alone German. You are a funny little man Charlie. LOL…

            Again Charlie. Torah, the First five book of the Hebrew Bible, you guys may call it “The Five Books of Moses”, is not a book from your Jesus but it is from God Himself, two very different entities. Thanks for
            you lineage bible lesson though but I went through that often growing up as a Hebrew School student. As such you should know Abraham became the first Jew when God changed his life. Yes, Abraham was not born a
            Jew but he became one, the first, when God often spoke with him and gave him the promise of the Covenant. You know the Covenant, where God says Abraham will be the father of great nations through his
            seed? Stay out of Torah Charlie, you are an insult to it and of course also to God.

            I tried to explain why Jews CANNOT accept Jesus to you before, I even offered you a web site written by a Rabbi doing just that but you will not accept anything that can show there are other righteous religions who have as much right to their beliefs as you do. You are
            so sad. Here is one last attempt and then I will try to be done with your sorry programmed, maybe Nazi trained and hateful, mind.

            “According to (Jewish) religious tradition, all of the teachings found in the Torah, both written and oral, were given by God to Moses, some of them at Mount
            Sinai and others at the Tabernacle, and all the teachings were written down by Moses, which resulted in the Torah we have today. According to a Midrash, the Torah was created prior to the creation of the world, and was used as the blueprint for Creation.[4] The majority of Biblical scholars believe that the written books were a product of the Babylonian exilic period (c. 600 BCE) and that it was completed by the Persian
            period (c. 400 BCE).[5]”

            Charlie, the Origional Scriptures, Torah, is how old compared to your remakes/edits and re-interpretations of many eons later? Or we can just go by “the Babylonian exilic period (c. 600 BCE) and that it was completed by the Persian period (c. 400 BCE).[5]”
            instead if you prefer.

            I would show you the website this comes from, it is a direct copy/paste, but why bother, your Nazi-like brain would just discount it all which seems so typical of your kind, politically as well as religiously, on this site.

            Live with it Charlie boy and stay out of the Hebrew scriptures, especially Torah, because you do not know how to use them as God intended and passed on to Moses for us, as we Jews see it. Since the primary
            function of a rabbi is to teach and explain Torah according to God’s teachings, as your Rabbi Jesus did, I might just figure Moses was the first rabbi.

            Oh wait, you do not trust or like or believe what Rabbis have to say remembering what I offered you at the site where a rabbi explains why Jews cannot accept Jesuus and that your Jesus was a rabbi. LOL. Stay in your little dark world, one where those who will not agree
            with you are not allowed, and use your bible as you choose and feel comfort in that as it is your right. But you still didn’t prove Jesus is an inheritor from King David since those titles were passed on from male to male in those Patriarchal societies and there were over 500 years between David and Jesus to know the inheritances for sure. Mary was not a male, was she? We Jews knew/know Jesus cannot be a Hebrew
            Messiah, as well as not an official anointed Hebrew King, as I have tried to show you myself as well as from that rabbi’s site, but you will not allow what disagrees with your chosen beliefs. Make Jesus your Christian Messiah and Christian king if you want, we wouldn’t care.

            Remember Charlie, it was you who started insulting Judaism first between us, not me insulting your Christianity. I am only trying to explain how we Jews believe and you get nasty because “you can’t handle the truth” about other peoples beliefs and faiths as it is to them. LOL.

            We Jews will never say no to God for you or your bigoted denying ways.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, a double wow ,,, check back in My writings and see if I ever brought ,,, Nazi , Hitler ,Bible , King Jesus or anything else , up , First ,,, without You first spouting off 1,2,3 or four lies about the same subject …. Now ,,, you’re saying The Holy Bible is wrong ,,, The Germans in general are wrong , and , the so called Jews are right ,,, WITHOUT ,,, You or the so called Jews ,,,EVEN ,,, defining who your God is as defined in “”Harmony”” with ANY normally recognized “”Bible””,,, BUT,,, NO ONE can prove anything to a Grossly Brainwashed Person that will not investigate historical documented evidence which is factually proven to be “”Facts””,,, even Ernst Zundel does NOT bad mouth King Jesus Christ … Adolph Hitler himself did not bad mouth or deny The Holy Bible… With Your denial of King Jesus Christ as The Son of The Almighty,,, you have brought in the “”Curses”” as called out by King Jesus Christ at Revelation 22:15—21… Edomite Jews are the most “Cursed” people on planet Earth , that is pointed at in many verses in The Holy Bible and in 1 book of Prophets called “Obadiah”,,, Esau was cursed by God when he showed Gross disrespect for his “Birthright”, and all his lineage are cursed , see that at Malachi 1:1–5… For your general info , I am only about half German , born in America and grew up around pure Germans and worked with them enough to KNOW The German People in General are a “”Superior” group of People … That means in Mental , Physical and Spiritual ….
            Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation …

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… LOL> you are missing the same points offered to you all the time.I know I brought up the Nazi Christian version of the Holy Bible first. I cannot keep explaining why to you over and over again but you so nicely show each time what an idiot you are for missing the points.

            I never said your “Now ,,, you’re saying The Holy Bible is wrong ,,,” wrong for you but I continue to say iof is wrong for Jews. DUH!!! I didn’t say “The Germans in general are wrong”. I told you what I was told by people who were in the Concentration camps as prisoners and what Germans told me while I was in Germany. DUH!!!

            You say here “You or the so called Jews ,,,EVEN ,,, defining who your God is as defined in “”Harmony”” with ANY normally recognized “”Bible””,,, “. Are you,
            Charlie boy, saying that the Hebrew Bible is NOT a “recognized “”Bible””? LOL, you are showing either your bigotry or your pure ignorance. Well, at least yo are being your total consistent self with that too.. What an insulting SOB you are.

            Then you say “NO ONE can prove anything to a Grossly Brainwashed Person that will not investigate historical documented evidence which is factually proven to be “”Facts””,,, “. Start showing how you can prove through your historical documents that what
            your bible says is “”Facts”” and maybe it can be
            considered but until then I will not say NO to God and his words for you. I’ve told you that too many times and for Jews accepting Jesus is a huge “NO” to God, a mortal sin NO-NO. I am not suicidal nor do I want to find out what Hell is about. Your programming will not
            allow you to see that for Jews.

            Going on with your BS, “even Ernst Zundel does NOT bad mouth King Jesus Christ … Adolph Hitler himself did not bad mouth or deny The Holy Bible”. Sure both the Nazis Ernst Zundel and Hitler didn’t bad mouth Jesus directly and openly but the Nazis rewrote their own Nazi Christian Bible leaving out the fact that Jesus was Jewish. Doesn’t that make you wonder if, considering the evil that is the Nazis, Jesus might feel insulted by the Nazis and their unholy Bible? Again,
            you miss my points about the Nazi Bible and I wont waste the time trying to explain that again to you since you are too programmed against seeing that.

            Again you distort with “With Your denial of King Jesus Christ as The Son of The Almighty,,, you have brought in the “”Curses”” as called out by King Jesus Christ at Revelation 22:15—21… Edomite Jews are the most “Cursed” people on planet Earth , that is pointed at in many verses in The Holy Bible and in 1 book of
            Prophets called “Obadiah”,,”.

            I do not believe in your bible since it is not my bible, and certainly not your Revelations so why should I care? I believe only in God himself. That too is one of the so many points you continue to miss. Don’t you ever get sorry for being wrong and stupid so often?

            I just look at “With Your denial of King Jesus Christ as The Son of The Almighty,,, you have brought in the “”Curses”” as called out by King Jesus Christ at Revelation 22:15—21… Edomite Jews are the most “Cursed” people on planet Earth , that is pointed at in many verses in The Holy Bible and in 1 book of
            Prophets called “Obadiah,,,” I just looked at all 21 verses of Obadiah and I do not see me in there anywhere. Jesus is no where at all anywhere in the entire Hebrew Bible so I am not surprised at your
            absurd observations and assumptions.

            “Esau was cursed by God when he showed Gross disrespect for his “Birthright”, and all his lineage are cursed , see that at Malachi 1:1–5… For your general info , I am only about half German , born in America and grew up around pure Germans and worked with
            them enough to KNOW The German People in General are a “”Superior” group of People … That means in Mental , Physical and Spiritual
            ….”.

            What “Gross disrespect for his “Birthright” “, what
            “”Birthright” are you referring to? It cannot be the one
            God is talking about. It has nothing at all, not a damn thing, to do with Jesus since Jesus is not in the Hebrew Bible at all. LOL.

            So you are half German. I am 3/4 German so who cares? And in the eyes of God all Humans are equal, in His eyes, and there are no “ “”Superior” groups of People in general… That means in Mental and Physical…” physiologies in the eyes of God and in
            biology. What a dumb sap you are. It has been a long time since I took high school biology but I remember the biology of that. LOL. There are people in all groups with some superior skills in physical things, such as athletes, and some with superior IQs, but
            biologically speaking those are in all groups but generally in small numbers. As per the superior part of your idiots statement concerning the spiritual. Well, all I can say is you are as usual consumed by your deep programming in that too. What a joke you are.

            Shalom and Seik Heil Charlie boy. A “double WOW” is not good enough for you.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, ha ha ha ha ha ha ,,, what mission field do the so called “Jews” serve in ??? Are the Jews going to help the Philippines survivors ???
            Since you have yet to Define Your God / god OR? what kind of Jew you are … You have yet to Address The Almighty God as The Almighty God ,,,AND,,, you have rejected so much Bible Scriptures and fail to define simple words and have rejected the lineage Chart as called out in The Holy Bible , both The OT as well as The NT………..
            You are going in circles with a mix, match , non harmony “stuff” … Next time you go to see your Zoo inmates try to find Balaam’s Donkey so you can check on some Bible History,,,, see the talking Donkey at Numbers 22 …
            Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… You are totally hopeless. Get the help you need FAST!!! Others on here are right, you should be ignored.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, Ha ha ha ha ha ,,, are these “Others”, Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 “Jews” ??? You are ignoring King Jesus Christ , so , King Jesus Christ will ignore you as you pass thru “The Black hole” of outer space to eternal darkness …
            Their will be no meal service on that flight … Meanwhile ..
            Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … And you may miss that trip ………………………………………

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            Remember Nancy Reagan; Just Say No to Charlie and Drugs!

          • Charlie

            YO YO ,,, Maco ,, Wacko ,,, will still need his anti-depressant drugs IF? he continues to com’ with you or I….

          • Bob666

            Yo Wack-Job,

            ” will still need his anti-depressant drugs IF? he continues to com’ with you’

            WTF? are you off your meds, handling snakes or speaking in tongues?

            get some help son-you’re mind is really gone!

          • Charlie

            YO YO ,,, I don’t take any meds , just a little Wine for health drink as Paul said in The Bible … I’ve killed a few snakes by hand , but, normally just stomp them to death with My boots … Can you teach Me how to kill a snake with a yo yo ??? …………………………..

          • macgyver1948

            Thanks Bob, I quoted you to “Sorry Charlie”…

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… I am not ignoring your Jesus, that would be disrespectful if he spoke to me and he never has, I just do not believe in him or the super human things you claim he can do. You still haven’t proven he is who
            you claim. You do not know the difference between proof and faith. Anyone can write stories and put them in a book with embellishments and exaggeration. They can even take an existing original volume, reinvent the original meanings to justify what is in their new book,
            and claim it is all “REAL”.

            Just because it is worth repeating to you in your delusional and disrespectful world – “You do not know the difference between proof and faith”.

            LOL> I should take Bob666’s advice- “Yo
            Mac, Remember Nancy Reagan; Just Say No to Charlie and Drugs!
            6:59 p.m., Sunday Nov. 10”.

            The small problem with Bob’s advice is you might be on drugs but not the ones you need to take.

            I should ignore you since you are denying other people’s right to how they choose to believe, rendering your rights and you not worth respecting. Not at all American of you as you also ignore God’s Free
            Will. Do not respond back until you have REAL proof, I will not want to hear from you until then. Can you handle that or maybe show proof you are under a good shrinks care and you admitted you need help?

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,,, The Almighty God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob Israel is The Boss of The Holy Bible … What is written for “The Boss” was used by His Son ,,,King Jesus Christ,,, see that at Matthew 4 , under The Authority as given to King Jesus Christ at Matthew 28:18 … BUT,,, you don’t believe The Whole Bible ,,, so? ,,, I guess you are smarter
            than King Jesus Christ ??? Ha ha ha ha ha ah …….. Maco Wacko , what a joker you are ,,, but ,,, when your knees bend to King Jesus Christ , that will be no joke ……………
            Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation …

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… Stay the F out of the Hebrew Bible since all you do is distort it and insult God’s work. God wrote Torah and he gave it to Moses for us, teaching it to Moses for us. You cannot change God’s words or meanings, even the Rabbi Jesus says that and I showed you where several times in your bible where he does that, because as you guys do that you are acting as though you are capable of “correcting “ God. Go tell God He is wrong and see where that gets you.

            As I said often and again above “The Almighty God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob Israel” is the author of Torah. Show me where it says God had anything to do with any of your reinterpretations of the Hebrew Bible, the ones you call “The Old Testaments”, or any of your “New Testaments”. Let’s see if you sense the logic in my request and if you can respond logically and as an adult. My money says since you haven’t a clue about logic you will drift off somewhere and come back with one of your illogical fantasy responses.

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            Just say no means just saying no to the nut job. He is starved for attention and you are giving it to him.

            Think “non-Nut Case” thoughts.

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, wacko ,,, I see little to none of the Scripture of “Your” Bible explained as to how it over rides The Holy Bible … Moses does NOT speak of the Torah in any Bible that is common to The KJV … Maco ,,, as I have said before ,,,, You are grossly , duped , deceived and deluded by the Satanic powers that be ……….

          • Charlie

            Maco ,,, wacko ,,, who builds the best cars and trucks ??? The Germans and Japanese ,,, well ,,, how about that ??? the bad guys have a little smarts …. What do The Jews build ???

      • Jeff

        Arguing logically with Faque Samurai? Good luck with that. You’ll be “left out” of his Crazy Lunch Table.

        • macgyver1948

          Jeff… I know there is no sense to discuss anything logically with either samurai or Charlie but they can be so funny at times. Charlie just jumped in on his own in response to a comment I made to someone else
          but the sward master I couldn’t resist. There is no sane logic coming from either of them.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Arument to ridicule. Is that the best you and Mac have are personal attacks? Here is an article about who is really behind the cutting of generals in our military. It may not be Obama bin Laden. It could be Valerie Jarrett.

          http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/general-blames-night-stalker-for-military-purge/

          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

          “A patriot must be a religious man.”

          Thomas Jefferson
          Signer of the Declaration of Independence
          3rd President of the U.S.
          Orthodox Christian

          • Jeff

            You accusing someone of personal attacks – now that’s rich! You, who declares unpatriotic anyone who doesn’t buy your mean-spirited, narrow-minded, stupid approach to religion. To be a patriot, you have to believe the Earth is 5,000 years old and Jesus rode a T-Rex like Fred Flintstone!

        • Robert Messmer

          By using the Sean Bond chart, he won’t be left out of anyone’s Crazy Lunch Table. Really the GOP are like the Nazi’s because of the color red! There is some good science to that.

          • macgyver1948

            Robert… No one is saying that but you seem to want to take it that way – color, lol. It is just on the list of shared items they have in common for the comparison. By itself the color red is not a factor. I like the Red Sox except when they play the Yankees.

            Put it all together and it is something to wonder about. Both are extreme Right Conservative and they both
            care more about the big corporations than they do for the average person. They both support a tough military and they can both get violent first, even with citizens. Why aren’t you mentioning and discounting those facts instead of going for the inane color which is a bit petty?

          • Robert Messmer

            Because sticking the GOP on the chart and saying these things do not make facts. How about the fact that Obama is not dealing with and trying to eliminate the GOP? That is very much like the Nazis doing away with all opposing parties. As to getting violent with citizens that would be Obama drone killing them without trials, having them under armed guard at the Grand Canyon, etc.

          • macgyver1948

            Robert Messmer… First of all wasn’t it the Tea Party being compared to Nazis in that chart, not the GOP? So many of the GOP are just following orders in support of the big corporations.

            I have known since I was a little kid in the fifty’s going to grade school that the Nazis of Hitler’s Germany were Extreme Right Conservatives so why/how has that changed since then? I think it is because the Tea Party doesn’t want that association known so they say
            they aren’t connected.

            I have also known since I was a kid from history
            and from people who were in Europe until after WW2 that the Nazis were all for the Corporations and the average person didn’t matter. What has changed in that too since then but really, how could those things change except in the minds and the perceptions of people today? Tea is doing their status quo in support of the big corporations.

            In contrast Obama is supporting citizens and workers rights here. Again in the news Obama is supporting another minimum wage hike, to $10.10 and hour – I read it earlier today at
            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/08/1254067/-Obama-gets-behind-10-10-minimum-wage-bill?detail=email .

            And we know the TPGOP will fight that and anything that is not all for the benefit and protection of the corporations so forget about us. I knew that attitude for so long working for corporations and especially since I worked closely with the execs in the last few companies I worked for. “Everything is for the benefit and protection of the corporations within the corporation”. Why do you think there is so much corporate monies going into campaign contributions and what is the real reason for lobbies and special interest groups? It is in their corporate budgets as an expense account.

            I have seen this in the GOP for so many decades, they are the party of business, but since the TP purchased so many in the GOP, along with threatening pledges such as the Norquist Pledge, it has gotten much
            more against the rest of us. I do not need the Left or anyone else to tell me these things since I see it in how both sides operate and I
            read and listen to both sides.

            We can argue all we want but if we care about America we need to band together and argue what is really in our, and our families, best benefit, then when we get that we go back to supporting the party of our (fixed) choice. I know we need successful companies, no country can prosper without successful business, but we need to stand up for what is in our collective best interests especially since the large corporations have the GOP doing all that for them. As individuals,
            unless we have so much money and clout, we cannot be heard by politicians. It is only large groups, representing so many of us, that get the ears in government if not large bucks. We The People,
            the non-affluent, all need Government Reform and that takes so many of us. That is what the voting booths and writing/calling our representatives is for, not threats of Civil war.

            I have a strong feeling the Tea Party doesn’t want that from us, a strong united front, in fact I think it would scare them to see the grass-roots, all Americans on all sides, of us standing together. The Nazis didn’t like it and they too tried to eliminated the “united we stand, divided we fall” thing, “too” meaning I see that in Tea.

          • Robert Messmer

            Actually it was both GOP/Tea Party. But as I said making a chart and saying it, is not facts.

            Can you name any Union that the GOP or Tea Party has outlawed or passed a law causing it to disband? Now yes, they didn’t grant Unions special exemptions from the ACA like Obama did. But not granting special privileges is not the same as being opposed to them.

            Wants to eliminate Muslim people–sure all those who have committed terrorists acts against us and our allies, all those who wish to behead and otherwise kill us. But we have no problems with any group who, if in the US, follows our laws and adapts to our culture.

            I don’t think for instance you could find one GOP or Tea Party member who has ever said anything against Immigration. Done legally and in accordance with the laws established and followed by previous immigrants. As far as the illegal invaders, I want them out –all of them, no amnesty for criminals and that is exactly what they are since they did not immigrate according to the law. Does wishing to have the law obeyed make one a Nazi?

            Racists?? You do know that the Democrats are the founders of the KKK? Democrats passed the Jim Crow Laws.

            You see all these points on the chart and he presents no facts to support them. Just his silly statements. Couple more examples.

            Constant war–Woodrow Wilson, Democrat WWI, FDR, Democrat WWII, Harry Truman, Democrat Korean War, JFK/LBJ Democrats Vietnam War, GHW Bush Republican Gulf War I, GW Bush Republican Afghanistan, GW Bush Republican Gulf War II and of course now we can see why the Democrats get so upset about the Bush Wars–until then WAR (at least the important ones) belonged to the Democrats. How dare those Republicans take a couple of wars like that. Of course, on the plus side all 3 of the Bush’s Wars were overwhelmingly voted in favor of by the Democrats.

            Propaganda with lies and fear mongering—oh yes, like referring to the opposition party as “arsonists” , “hostage takers”, “anarchists” and “terrorists”. Oops those were the terms used by Obama, Reid and Pelosi in referring to the GOP/Tea Party. Kind of like this thing trying to make out like they are similar to the Nazis.

            Sure why wouldn’t Obama support minimum wage of $10.10 per hour? He has NO, none, zip, nada, nil and zilch experience in business. Besides which, it isn’t his money. There is nothing a Democrat loves more than spending someone else money other than keeping it for himself. Guess who will lose–“And millions of American workers stuck at the poverty wages of the current $7.25 federal minimum wage badly need this raise.” Because that will be the new minimum wage for those LARGE corporations as well–you know the ones run by those greedy capitalists. They will simply raise the cost of their products and pass the raise on to–the consumers, those millions of workers stuck at poverty wages of 7.25. The workers, even if they have 3 jobs, can only work a certain number of hours per week. Granted they will be making almost $3 more per hour, but thousands of products will go up in price. The reason 7.25 is poverty wages is because of run away inflation which the government juggles the books to keep from reporting.

            Yes we do need a strong, united front. All Americans fighting to get the same thing–a Congress, Judiciary, and an Executive all living within the US Constitution.

          • Robert Messmer

            Actually it was both GOP/Tea Party. But as I said making a chart and saying it, is not facts.

            Can you name any Union that the GOP or Tea Party has outlawed or passed a law causing it to disband? Now yes, they didn’t grant Unions special exemptions from the ACA like Obama did. But not granting special privileges is not the same as being opposed to them.

            Wants to eliminate Muslim people–sure all those who have committed terrorists acts against us and our allies, all those who wish to behead and otherwise kill us. But we have no problems with any group who, if in the US, follows our laws and adapts to our culture.

            I don’t think for instance you could find one GOP or Tea Party member who has ever said anything against Immigration. Done legally and in accordance with the laws established and followed by previous immigrants. As far as the illegal invaders, I want them out –all of them, no amnesty for criminals and that is exactly what they are since they did not immigrate according to the law. Does wishing to have the law obeyed make one a Nazi?

            Racists?? You do know that the Democrats are the founders of the KKK? Democrats passed the Jim Crow Laws.

            You see all these points on the chart and he presents no facts to support them. Just his silly statements. Couple more examples.

            Constant war–Woodrow Wilson, Democrat WWI, FDR, Democrat WWII, Harry Truman, Democrat Korean War, JFK/LBJ Democrats Vietnam War, GHW Bush Republican Gulf War I, GW Bush Republican Afghanistan, GW Bush Republican Gulf War II and of course now we can see why the Democrats get so upset about the Bush Wars–until then WAR (at least the important ones) belonged to the Democrats. How dare those Republicans take a couple of wars like that. Of course, on the plus side all 3 of the Bush’s Wars were overwhelmingly voted in favor of by the Democrats.

            Propaganda with lies and fear mongering—oh yes, like referring to the opposition party as “arsonists” , “hostage takers”, “anarchists” and “terrorists”. Oops those were the terms used by Obama, Reid and Pelosi in referring to the GOP/Tea Party. Kind of like this thing trying to make out like they are similar to the Nazis.

            Sure why wouldn’t Obama support minimum wage of $10.10 per hour? He has NO, none, zip, nada, nil and zilch experience in business. Besides which, it isn’t his money. There is nothing a Democrat loves more than spending someone else money other than keeping it for himself. Guess who will lose–“And millions of American workers stuck at the poverty wages of the current $7.25 federal minimum wage badly need this raise.” Because that will be the new minimum wage for those LARGE corporations as well–you know the ones run by those greedy capitalists. They will simply raise the cost of their products and pass the raise on to–the consumers, those millions of workers stuck at poverty wages of 7.25. The workers, even if they have 3 jobs, can only work a certain number of hours per week. Granted they will be making almost $3 more per hour, but thousands of products will go up in price. The reason 7.25 is poverty wages is because of run away inflation which the government juggles the books to keep from reporting.

            Yes we do need a strong, united front. All Americans fighting to get the same thing–a Congress, Judiciary, and an Executive all living within the US Constitution.

          • macgyver1948

            Robert Messmer… We can each defend our position and say just putting something in a chart doesn’t make it true but I know the history I lived through and I know what I have been reading about the people at the top of Tea.

            It is so clear that the Right in many places is at least doing their thing to discredit unions or anything that might represent workers. I have come to see Ombudsman programs are fake in their attempt to help
            employees as is the Walmart Open Door policy. Any employer program where the people the employee is offered help with owe their paychecks to the corporations will tend to side with the employer. I
            could tell you about an incident I had while working at Walmart where I told a Walmart Ethics manager about a nasty anti-associate policy and he told me it was serious and he would look into it. A few months
            later I asked him about it and he was disturbed. I Have to guess he did look into it but was told to back off. I worked for that senior manager. The Top and the GOP many not go after unions directly, they may not feel they have to.

            You go with “Wants to eliminate Muslim people–sure all those who have committed terrorists acts against us and our allies, all those who wish to behead and otherwise kill us. But we have no problems with
            any group who, if in the US, follows our laws and adapts to our culture”. No Robert, no just real terrorists. I have read and heard members of the Right in Congress say they want all Muslims deported
            because they are all terrorists and hate what we stand for. Michelle Blackman was among them and some in Florida too. There are others. I have heard that too from grass-roots tea as well. I guess those that
            do just automatically believe what they are told and that is a general problem. I knew a good number of Muslims, here in this Country and in the Middle East through social sites, and on-line business ventures. The ones I have known for a good number of years
            do not feel the Jihad thing and they do not understand why a fair percentage of Muslims do.

            We are not talking about just immigration here. I want illegal crossing stopped. I have a problem deporting yo0ung people who have spent almost all their lives here, since they were too young to know where
            they came from. What foreign country would you sent them to considering all they know is this country? If they do not break our laws since they were brought here ,because they were too young to decide anything, should have the option to stay. Just my opinion but the adults who make the decision to sneak across should be deported. I think “Does wishing to have the law obeyed make one a Nazi?” is not only funny but unrealistic to ask. I want laws obeyed and I bet most Liberals do as well..

            You say “Racists?? You do know that the Democrats are the founders of the KKK? Democrats passed the Jim Crow Laws”. I do know that history too. By the 1950s many KKK in the Democratic Party jumped
            ship because they couldn’t get enough of the Dems to back them on their bigoted ways and many of them became Republicans and the tradition transferred. That you should research.

            The chart is just a chart but the history behind it is real. Do the research for yourself and find out.

            The two world wars were necessary and I feel, with some thought, WW2 was the last justified war American was in. I was in the Air Force during
            Vietnam and I never saw justification in that. In 1967 I was in Korea for a bit right after the North Koreans took an American ship named the Pueblo. We almost had Korean War Part two. Then I went to Japan
            for a while and, being part of a flying squadron, we flew into Nam each week. How did they become a threat to America. We lost Nam big time but it should matter so we do not do it again but we do. We
            should never do the police work for world when we are not being threatened, as we were in WW2, or the nation involved is a good friend of the US and they scream for our help.

            By the way, there is a theory that says JFK was killed because the powers that be couldn’t get him to send us to Nam, Kennedy said we shouldn’t go because the French proved it was unwinable but there
            was too much money to be made or there were territories to conquer and control for us. They felt they could control Johnson and it turns out they did.

            You mention a lot of our wars. I hate war. The little bush war is still costing us loads of money and cost loads of American lives. Any of us should be upset about that and we should remember and learn. Do you
            think the families of the dead Americans will forget? LOL, yeah the Bush wares were voted for by Democrats who were acting on the Intel presented by Republicans.

            I do not know how to respond to your “Propaganda with lies” paragraph because they all do it but not to the extent the TP does.This is something we will never agree on.

            You go on about Obama supporting “ caring about the raise in Minimum wage”. He is of the party for the people so he has to show that. The TPGOP does NOT do their thing for what is needed by workers/employees/associates and they show that through their love for the corporations and going after any support for employees. I really feel the GOP should change their nick name to a more realistic
            one like Government Of the Corporate People. If the Tea Party/GOP have their ways there would not be any minimum wage, just one the employers want to offer and if the employee doesn’t like it he/she
            can go some place else for work. The thing wrong with that is where would they go since many of the corporations say “We pay competitively”. I have come to see that so often means. “We pay as poorly as our competitors”.

            Democrats/Liberals do not love to spend other peoples money, that is just TP-speak. It a huge job do the works to help the country, and the corporations want it all so the party of their doing works to say how nasty the Dems are in any ways they can.

            Robert, we should all know Corporations adjust their prices to maintain the wanted margins. IF the working classes cannot afford to buy the extras the corporations will not prosper. If workers do not make
            enough money to pay all they need to pay the extras will go UN-bought. And then there is the reality that workers will not keep up with inflations so it gets harder when you start out with un-livable wages and then get an average of 4% a year if you are lucky not to get caught up in wage freezes. Those raises suck and it
            takes a very long time to do just ok if you stay at an unhappy place. Execs of large corporations, the decision makers, start out with millions in just salary and they get much nicer than an average of 4%
            in pay increases. Their bonuses are huge too. It has to come from some place in the equation and the execs will not shorten their side of it. This is how the execs keep as much money at the top so they can go on prospering and if the execs do not keep the top share
            holders, and of course the boards, very happen they may not get contract renewals.

            Yes, “Yes we do need a strong, united front. All Americans fighting to get the same thing–a Congress, Judiciary, and an Executive all living within the US Constitution”. But we need to do that realistically relative to the times. I an very much for the constitution but I bet it would be a more adjusting process for the
            Founders if they had the vision to see future developments. That is for another comment but I want the soul of the Constitution preserved. They did warn us about the evils of huge money and corruptions, corporations and government officials, but we haven’t
            learn those lessons yet.

            I heard a couple of times ‘nothing gets down in this country without Congress’ approval’. Well a good way to get Congress to approve something you want is to heavily support their campaigns and/or offer them enough help to win elections to sign no way out pledges that are conflict of interest in your favor. Guess who does that the most.

          • Robert Messmer

            Korean War Part Two, now that is good. So many people incorrectly state that the Korean War ended 27 July 1953 but it was only paused. There are only two ways to end a war–one is when one or more sides are wiped out, for example the Cain/Able war ended when Able was dead. The other way is by Peace Treaty such as signed by US and England after the Revolution. All that had been done with Korea was an Armistice, in other words a ceasefire. Indeed just this year North Korea claimed to invalidate the Armistice and in April our Secretary of Defence claimed they had presented a “credible and realistic nuclear threat”.

            You claim that Democrats do not love to spend other people money but are you aware that Obama is on track to double the national debt? All by himself he is going to spend more money than all the Presidents before him. That is a lot of other people’s money to spend in just eight years.

            You say “The chart is just a chart but the history behind it is real. Do the research for yourself and find out.” And I pointed out that every so called fact applies to the Democrats (except the use of red and calling themselves conservative) but you will not accept it.

            “They did warn us about the evils of huge money and corruptions, corporations and government officials, but we haven’tlearn those lessons yet.” Which is why we have to get rid of the Democrats and RINOs.

          • macgyver1948

            Yes Robert, cease-fire does not mean “end of war”, just intermission and a clearing of the lead in the air for now, we agree on that. North Korea has been run by the “current” family nut for a while. They yell loudly and do deem to break the Armistice from time to
            time and I hope they never cross that line until a real peace between the two Koreas become one again and hopefully as the South is. I like your Cain and Able scenario. Able would not be a formidable enemy after that, too unable. :-).

            I am aware every president adds to the national debt. The little bush did it, so did Clinton, they all do. I do not think any of them do it with the intent to add to it but it is a natural by-product. The running of Government is costly and adding new services does that. I am concerned with the fact that the national debt is approaching orbit and will soon pass the space station in its orbit. I was a project manager and that included keeping track of ever ½ penny in the cost of developing and running the project after it was
            published. When President Ronald Reagan suggested the need for a National Health Care program I bet he understood it would add to the debt. So I am aware.

            I accept the fact that you told me the KKK was in the Democrats but did you see my response on that that they jumped ship around the 1950s and many of them became Republicans? I do not discount you just
            because you are on the Right.

            You end with “They did warn us about the evils of huge money and corruptions, corporations and government officials, but we haven’tlearn those lessons yet.” Which is why we have to get rid of the Democrats and RINOs”.

            We need to get rid of all those in Government, in any party, who have price tags on their backs, elected and appointed, and there are so many on both sides. You and I both see the dangers all over but most of what we see is respective to our chosen side. I am a
            Democrat/Liberal because what they do is more in tune, not totally, with what and how I see it is needed for/by the non-affluent in this country, as I see it. What I see with the Tea Party, and their ownership of so many in the GOP, scares me because they are NOT
            working for my interests, that being what is best for you and me. To each his own but we have to work on what is best for us and our families. I see Tea in it, as their fore bearers the John Birch Society, only for themselves and the big corporations. Guess who I
            compare that to.

          • macgyver1948

            Robert… I forgot to mention. I too do not like the drones hitting in on American soil against citizens. I remember reading some place there are some Dems in Congress speaking out against them too. I suppose it is all for “security/safety”, I guess, but I would rather think this way, I share this old guys sentiment:

            “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin said this.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Show me where I said that any one religion is superior to another. Ooops! Where did I say that we have a government controlled religion? Ooops! Liberty and the Constitution? How about we go before the Constitution where it states that our unalienable rights are endowed by our Creator (GOD) in the Declaration of Independence? This means that God, not the Constitution, gives us our rights. Neeeeed to study more if you want to keep up. Here is an article you might be interested in. It is about a Rabbi who says Jesus is the Son of God.

        http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/god-repeating-classic-bible-pattern-in-this-man/

        Here is one from America’s greatest modern day evangelist.

        http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/billy-graham-to-give-final-most-important-message/

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

        “The true Christian is the true citizen.”

        Theodore Roosevelt
        26th President of the U.S.

        • macgyver1948

          samurai… Sward man… No, you never came out and said it but you act it and you strongly imply it in the words you do use.

          For example, one of so many, what does “The True Christian is the true citizen” mean if not implying superiority and that you ave to be a true Christian to be a true citizen? Why are you using a Teddy quote if not to say it?

          It is so ridiculously sad to speak with you Right guys. So often I say God is mentioned in the Constitution but there is no Christianity in it or any other religion. Americas is a country for all religions equally but it is not any kind of specific religion country. Why do you too not get that as you choose to leave words out that do not fit your schemes? It is not me who needs to study the Constitution compared to you. America is NOT a Christian country in any way.

          Oh, why is Wendy Davis a witch? Is that how they teach you to be a Christian, just to call names and to degrade those who do not agree with you? I do not want to know your teachers.

          Ted Cruz:

          http://www.businessinsider.com/ted-cruz-national-disgrace-2013-10

          http://hotair.com/archives/2013/10/31/report-ted-cruz-promises-senate-colleagues-he-wont-campaign-against-them/

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/25/john-mccain-ted-cruz_n_3989887.html

          samurai… More on Ted Cruz,,, If you go to one of the sites I suggested to you when you asked for sources you would see Cruz said Obama is a Nazi. Not even close, nor is Obama a Commie, which is part of the Cruz disgrace, but you should go to the site below to see a real comparison chart. Enjoy it.
          http://www.seanbond.me/goptea-nazi-germany/

          Why do I keep saying this here? Would you be afraid to see that comparison chart, afraid it could be true? :-).

          • Robert Messmer

            As to Wendy Davis if appears that he simply responded in kind to your comment “Bachmann Tea bag lady”. If you call names don’t be surprised when others do also.

            Ted Cruz is wrong about Obama. Obama is not Hitler because Hitler told everybody exactly what his plans were in “Mein Kampf” where Obama tells only lies. Hitler strengthened the German military while Obama has fired 197 generals in 5 years and has demoralized the remaining forces. Hitler improved the German economy (at least until USA was dragged into the war by the Japs) while Obama has destroyed our economy.

          • macgyver1948

            Robert Messmer… First of all if you say “If you call names don’t be surprised when others do also” to me you are not following the threads well enough to say that. It is not me who starts with name calling on here.

            With all the rest of what you say here it is so clear you can only see Tea. Oh, Hitler was angry with Japan for “…at least until USA was dragged into the war by the Japs” because Hitler wasn’t ready to fight the USA while he was still invading Russia and the rest of the
            his world. I hate thinking of it this way but since we might have lost to Hitler, if we waited until he was ready for his massive planned invasion of the US, if we weren’t attacked by Japan in a sad ironic way I think we are better off. I am not saying the attack on Pearl Harbor by the Japanese was a good thing but it got us into WW2 and that we should have been a few years earlier. I say that even though I hate war.

          • Robert Messmer

            macgyver1948…First of all, I didn’t say you started it, simply that it was a response to the “tea bag” comment you made. Regardless of who starts, don’t follow.

            As to the rest I was simply backing up the error that Ted Cruz was guilty of by claiming Obama to be like Hitler. While there are some similarities, both democratically elected, both divisive of the populence, both with huge changes to their countries; I think the differences are more important. Has nothing to do with Tea and everything to do with History.

            And yes, I agree that we had to enter the war and were really late doing so.

          • macgyver1948

            Robert Messmer…It shouldn’t matter who started it, just that we, as adults, agree it should stop now because the name calling and insults are very childish and they accomplish nothing except to block progress.

            I believe you are assuming something not in historical evidence. For one thing “Hitler never had more than 37 percent of the popular vote in the honest
            elections that occurred before he became Chancellor. And the opposition among the 63 percent against him was generally quite strong”. That comes from
            http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitlerdemo.htm

            Or – APRIL 10, 1932 ADOLF
            HITLER LOST THE GERMAN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION TO PAUL VON HINDENBURG

            Filed Under Uncategorized
            “Although Hitler lost the presidential election of 1932, he succeeded Hindenburg as head of state just two years later, upon Hindenburg’s death in 1934. After the president’s death, Hitler abolished the office of president entirely and replaced it with the new position of Führer und Reichskanzler (“Leader and Reich
            Chancellor mimicking the dictatorship for a term […]… taken from http://www.edrivera.com/?p=1576

            Hitler did effect change for Germany, war can do that for an ailing economy, either that or break it futher. But Hitler did all that for the Nazi Party and the big German corporations (does that sound familiar to what
            has been going on here. There are plenty more historical accounts on this but you get the point whether you agree with the parts that are my opinion or not. I do not understand why so many on
            the Right get this wrong – the history that is, as well as other historical references, other than to get that they are not into remembering a lot of history if the history would contradict what they want to believe and remember. No offense but I see this all too often but if you disagree tell me why and what it could be.

            There were meetings between The Nazis and the real German authorities after Hitler’s loses in the election, closed-door of course, but when those meetings were over Hitler was the winner and took over. I believe the
            Nazis used their typical criminal threat tactics and all of a sudden the real authorities were no longer.

            The Nazis were extreme Right Wing conservatives according to history and the comparisons to Tea and their predecessors, The John Birch Society, scare me. The fact that Tea has taken control of the House,
            since they have control of so many GOP, and obviously want control over the Senate and the White House scare me. What kind of representative Government, American style, could possible be had if
            that happens? These things are from what I read and see and feel.

            Norquist said he doesn’t want a president who says he will show us what direction this country should go in, we, meaning Norquist and his people and including the Tea Party, know what direction the country should go in. Norquist goes on to say he wants a president with the digits to hold a pen and will sign whatever a GOP Congress puts in front of him. I read this not that long ago and I wish I could find it again to offer it to you. This should scare all who want a free America.

            Just something to consider. So many wars in history were started by a government who told their people that the chosen enemy, the ones they want to invade, are evil and dangerous and threatening to “us”. All that whether the stuff the rulers say are true or not. This is what the Right is doing with Obama and the Left, making up or twisting or editing so much of the facts – a lot. The little bush did it to get us to do his immoral invasion of Iraq. Hitler did it too to justified his unholy invasions. Fear, justified or not, can motivate
            the most peaceful people into doing the most violent and terrifying things. Do we really want a civil war now if the extreme Right, Tea, wants it or for any reason by anyone for that matter?

            I used to wonder why the little bush did it since so many of his reasons to invade Iraq proved to be untrue. I could come up with the little bush’s ‘Right’ reasons to get us into Iraq but I stopped a long time ago because all I can do is guess and I have a list of my guesses.

          • Robert Messmer

            And I do not like a President who draws lines in the sand that he doesn’t have the legal authority to do and threatens war if the line is crossed even with no evidence as to who exactly crossed the line. I do not like having a government whose leader in seeking the job promised to close GITMO and then didn’t. I do not like having a President who claims it is his RIGHT to drone kill American citizens without a trial. Plus warrantless detentions for indefinite length of time, with no attorney, no charges, no writ of habeas corpus.

          • macgyver1948

            Robert Messmer… You “do not like a President who draws lines in the sand that he doesn’t have the legal authority to do and threatens war if the line is crossed even with no evidence as to who exactly crossed the line”. Syria was breaking international Law with their
            Iraqi gotten Chems use but I was concerned about Obama’s threat to them. I cannot be sure but I would hope Obama would go to that place in NYC to ask for help before doing that crossing line thing. I do not like war. I would like to ask you if you are ok with a
            president who lies to get us into a war, getting thousands of American solders killed and many more maimed, and hurts the economy, to the point of heavy recession for a while, to this day?

            There are things Obama does I also do not like but he hasn’t come close for me to dislike him as much as what the tiny bush did to us. The Immoral wars, the sinking economy, swollen looking-for-job lines, the
            burst-ed bubbles and other things the tiny bush did and some of the bush things didn’t take effect until after Obama took office that hurt us too… But you guys made Obama the scape goat for all of what
            he inherited and kept him for trying on many things he attempted that might help. Going forward you guys will not believe a word Obama says even if your side has to twist his words.

            Do you remember the speech, for example but there are so many, “You did not build that” to business people in a Virginia session? I listened to that speech and he did not give that message to them but I often read your side at the time who said he did. I suggested here and on other sites people should go listen to Obama’s entire speech but I felt that truth would distort the Right’s hate for him so many said they wouldn’t waste their time. It happens often. Wayne Allen Root gave a distorted impression in one of his many distorted articles, on many things, here of that speech but that figures of him. No point in going to find out what was really said since the Right already demonized Obama by saying what he “said”. I get
            that al ot of me on here. Also there was a picture going around on the net showing the Obamas saluting the American Flag with their left hands (their wedding rings were on their left saluting hands so that proved it) “proving they are Communists”. Only thing is that pic
            turned pout to be a bad Photo Shop job but it had to be true because the Right bought it all as truth.

            We each see things from whatever perspective we choose, what makes the most sense to us.

          • Robert Messmer

            Syria at the time was not a signatory to that treaty therefore was not bound by it. Plus there has been no proof showing that it was Assad that used them or if the “rebels” (who are also known to possess them) used them. For that matter it hasn’t even been proven that the CIA didn’t do it just to give Obama an excuse. That place in NYC, if you mean the UN, had already said NO!
            No, I didn’t like that war either but mainly cause it was non-winnable as a conventional war. Should have just nuked them and been done. But since President Bush relied on his intel he was given let us not claim he lied. And even if he did, 58% of the Democrats in the Senate including one Hillary “What Difference Does It Make” Clinton all voted to go to war. Unlike Obama who says he doesn’t need the approval of Congress even though it is required by the Constitution, President Bush got Congressional approval.

            Before trying to blame every ill in the world on President Bush go back and subtract all those that the Democrats voted in favor of. Oh and the bursted bubble of housing belongs to Bill “I’m Too Stupid To Know What Sex Is” Clinton. The only reason Obama would be the scapegoat for what he inherited is that he had campaigned on changing all the bad in DC and then didn’t even try to change anything. Except to make it worse–he re-instituted the law giving ex-Presidents Secret Service protection for life and extended sections of the Patriot Act that were to expire, and expanded the illegal spying done by the NSA.

            I remember that speech quite well and yes he said that. I know because when he did I started screaming at the tv about what an idiot he was. I had started, from scratch, with no help from anybody my own business and then to have the President go on national television and tell me that I did not, that someone else did it for me got me a little upset. But he wouldn’t know about business since he never build one and in fact never had a real job. No just like his lie concerning people being able to keep their health policies period his apologists have tried to say that he didn’t mean that. Supposedly he was referring to the infrastructure of the whole country. Just like he claimed that what he really said was you could keep your policy IF it never changed. But he did go on record and apologised – sort of – for his lie about health insurance policies.

            And what about the live broadcasts showing them disrespecting the flag by not saluting at all? I guess those live casts were photoshopped as well?

          • Robert Messmer

            Syria at the time was not a signatory to that treaty therefore was not bound by it. Plus there has been no proof showing that it was Assad that used them or if the “rebels” (who are also known to possess them) used them. For that matter it hasn’t even been proven that the CIA didn’t do it just to give Obama an excuse. That place in NYC, if you mean the UN, had already said NO!
            No, I didn’t like that war either but mainly cause it was non-winnable as a conventional war. Should have just nuked them and been done. But since President Bush relied on his intel he was given let us not claim he lied. And even if he did, 58% of the Democrats in the Senate including one Hillary “What Difference Does It Make” Clinton all voted to go to war. Unlike Obama who says he doesn’t need the approval of Congress even though it is required by the Constitution, President Bush got Congressional approval.

            Before trying to blame every ill in the world on President Bush go back and subtract all those that the Democrats voted in favor of. Oh and the bursted bubble of housing belongs to Bill “I’m Too Stupid To Know What Sex Is” Clinton. The only reason Obama would be the scapegoat for what he inherited is that he had campaigned on changing all the bad in DC and then didn’t even try to change anything. Except to make it worse–he re-instituted the law giving ex-Presidents Secret Service protection for life and extended sections of the Patriot Act that were to expire, and expanded the illegal spying done by the NSA.

            I remember that speech quite well and yes he said that. I know because when he did I started screaming at the tv about what an idiot he was. I had started, from scratch, with no help from anybody my own business and then to have the President go on national television and tell me that I did not, that someone else did it for me got me a little upset. But he wouldn’t know about business since he never build one and in fact never had a real job. No just like his lie concerning people being able to keep their health policies period his apologists have tried to say that he didn’t mean that. Supposedly he was referring to the infrastructure of the whole country. Just like he claimed that what he really said was you could keep your policy IF it never changed. But he did go on record and apologised – sort of – for his lie about health insurance policies.

            And what about the live broadcasts showing them disrespecting the flag by not saluting at all? I guess those live casts were photoshopped as well?

          • macgyver1948

            Robert Messmer… I guess we do not have absolute proof “Assad that used them or if the “rebels” “ but there are countries in the area who believe it and it seems a pretty good “guess”. I was hoping Obama was playing poker with Assad, bluffing, but who knows.
            We didn’t attack so that is good.

            You say “For that matter it hasn’t even been proven that the CIA didn’t do it just to give Obama an excuse. That place in NYC, if you mean the UN, had already said NO!” I know and the CIA scares me as much
            as the KGB of the Soviets and the Gestapo of
            the Nazis. I would rather not think Obama had anything to do with it, any president actually just like I do not want to think the tiny bush lied to get us into his immoral invasion of Iraq just to avenge daddy
            but there is that too..

            Do you really mean this “No, I didn’t like that war either but mainly cause it was non-winnable as a conventional war. Should have just nuked them and been done”? That would have gotten our enemies
            around the world loving it because of the propaganda against us they would build, our friends wouldn’t like it either. Enemies such as Al-qaeda would fell more justified in nuking us as if they do not enough already.

            You have a point, we shouldn’t assume the tiny bush lied assuming he relied only on his Intel. I believe Obama relied on his Intel when he first heard about Ambassador Stevens and the other 3.

            You say “And even if he did, 58% of the Democrats in the Senate including one Hillary “What Difference Does It Make” Clinton all voted to go to war.” We should remember they voted based on the Intel the tiny bush gave them. Several Dems said they would have voted differently if they knew the true In tel. Several GOP called them “wishy-washy” for changing their minds but I say it shows who has the better ethics/morals if you change your mind after knowing the truth then to stick with the mistakes.

            There were mistakes Bill Clinton has to own from his watch too. I didn’t like that he supported NAFTA and even though we see how agendas such as sending jobs overseas hurts us as a country not liking NAFA has been my opinion since it first was publicized but I am not a big corporations who is looking out only for the corporation.

            Obama did indeed campaign that he would fix as much as he could in DC. But so much of what he tried failed because the Right insisted to make him fail no matter what. Besides all politicians say they will to help get them elected, and maybe many of them mean it, and then, if they are elected, have a program to follow. Bush Sr demanded he wouldn’t raise taxes to help get him elected President and then when he had his only term he saw, or was told, to raise taxes and he did.
            Besides I think the Right tries to blame every ill in the world, even going back as far as when Ever gave Adam the apple, on Obama because of their hate for him and has since he announced his running against
            Hilary. They didn’t know his policies yet but they knew he wouldn’t be fighting for the coronations at all costs (and I think for some it was his color).

            No, no, no. Obama said in that Virginia speech to the company people “you didn’t build that all by yourself” he was saying they all had help, nothing more than that. None of us can build a company without help,
            no one can. I remember it very well. His message was we all need to rely on each other, corporations and Government. Many politicians never have jobs, they go from college/grad school into politics. I think those that do it that way are missing something but that is
            just me. I thought I was a hot-shot programmer when I finished college but I needed to know so much more about biz so I went for the MBA to build on my experiences as a programmer/designer. I think
            Obama went on record and apologized for how he was misunderstood by many on the Left wondered why. Obama is good to apologize for things that he was wrong about as well.

            You end with And what about the live broadcasts showing them disrespecting the flag by not saluting at all? I guess those live casts were photoshopped as well?” With the pic I mentioned I was just giving an example of how hate can publish hate when they want
            to, nothing more. I cannot answer for that, you should have to ask Obama if you want a real answer, but I have seen presidents and congressmen on both sides over the years not salute when I thought they should.

            Robert, we do not have to agree on everything, just so our goal is the same for the country. That too is why we need more than one viable large party and hopefully they all represent us as we need them to.

          • macgyver1948

            Robert Messmer… I guess we do not have absolute proof “Assad that used them or if the “rebels” “ but there are countries in the area who believe it and it seems a pretty good “guess”. I was hoping Obama was playing poker with Assad, bluffing, but who knows.
            We didn’t attack so that is good.

            You say “For that matter it hasn’t even been proven that the CIA didn’t do it just to give Obama an excuse. That place in NYC, if you mean the UN, had already said NO!” I know and the CIA scares me as much
            as the KGB of the Soviets and the Gestapo of
            the Nazis. I would rather not think Obama had anything to do with it, any president actually just like I do not want to think the tiny bush lied to get us into his immoral invasion of Iraq just to avenge daddy
            but there is that too..

            Do you really mean this “No, I didn’t like that war either but mainly cause it was non-winnable as a conventional war. Should have just nuked them and been done”? That would have gotten our enemies
            around the world loving it because of the propaganda against us they would build, our friends wouldn’t like it either. Enemies such as Al-qaeda would fell more justified in nuking us as if they do not enough already.

            You have a point, we shouldn’t assume the tiny bush lied assuming he relied only on his Intel. I believe Obama relied on his Intel when he first heard about Ambassador Stevens and the other 3.

            You say “And even if he did, 58% of the Democrats in the Senate including one Hillary “What Difference Does It Make” Clinton all voted to go to war.” We should remember they voted based on the Intel the tiny bush gave them. Several Dems said they would have voted differently if they knew the true In tel. Several GOP called them “wishy-washy” for changing their minds but I say it shows who has the better ethics/morals if you change your mind after knowing the truth then to stick with the mistakes.

            There were mistakes Bill Clinton has to own from his watch too. I didn’t like that he supported NAFTA and even though we see how agendas such as sending jobs overseas hurts us as a country not liking NAFA has been my opinion since it first was publicized but I am not a big corporations who is looking out only for the corporation.

            Obama did indeed campaign that he would fix as much as he could in DC. But so much of what he tried failed because the Right insisted to make him fail no matter what. Besides all politicians say they will to help get them elected, and maybe many of them mean it, and then, if they are elected, have a program to follow. Bush Sr demanded he wouldn’t raise taxes to help get him elected President and then when he had his only term he saw, or was told, to raise taxes and he did.
            Besides I think the Right tries to blame every ill in the world, even going back as far as when Ever gave Adam the apple, on Obama because of their hate for him and has since he announced his running against
            Hilary. They didn’t know his policies yet but they knew he wouldn’t be fighting for the coronations at all costs (and I think for some it was his color).

            No, no, no. Obama said in that Virginia speech to the company people “you didn’t build that all by yourself” he was saying they all had help, nothing more than that. None of us can build a company without help,
            no one can. I remember it very well. His message was we all need to rely on each other, corporations and Government. Many politicians never have jobs, they go from college/grad school into politics. I think those that do it that way are missing something but that is
            just me. I thought I was a hot-shot programmer when I finished college but I needed to know so much more about biz so I went for the MBA to build on my experiences as a programmer/designer. I think
            Obama went on record and apologized for how he was misunderstood by many on the Left wondered why. Obama is good to apologize for things that he was wrong about as well.

            You end with And what about the live broadcasts showing them disrespecting the flag by not saluting at all? I guess those live casts were photoshopped as well?” With the pic I mentioned I was just giving an example of how hate can publish hate when they want
            to, nothing more. I cannot answer for that, you should have to ask Obama if you want a real answer, but I have seen presidents and congressmen on both sides over the years not salute when I thought they should.

            Robert, we do not have to agree on everything, just so our goal is the same for the country. That too is why we need more than one viable large party and hopefully they all represent us as we need them to.

          • BHR

            America was based on being a Christian country. Read the Federalist papers. The writings of Jefferson, Franklin, Adams and Madison, they explain the bases of the Constitution. You can believe in any religion you want to in America but America was based on Christianity.

            If you do not understand this concept, you do not know American History. Also read Washington’s writings and his acceptance speeches.

          • Deerinwater

            Christian principles , ~ which are based on universal common courtesy that make practical sense and have little to do religious dogma. Obviously killing, raping, pillaging and plundering is not a constructive practice for a society to abide even if they worship the devil himself.

          • BHR

            Christian principles are based on the GOD of Abraham and the teachings of JESUS. The same ideals our Constitution was based on.

          • Deerinwater

            http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/dooley.asp

            sorta true

            http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/charleston.asp

            http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/citizens.asp

            false

            http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/101513-675217-obama-fires-two-nuclear-military-commanders.htm

            true ~justified, but commentary with spin

            I looked into some of your claims Robert.

            I think 197 is perhaps an embellished number. And just the act of Firing is not always a “Bad Thing”.

            While it is clear, ~ This President is not slow to punch someones ticket and send them home packing. He will make the call.

            i like to see that in leadership myself.

            I have always wished that “W” had a little of that in him. ~ “W” should have asked , ” How come this plane is stick out of my Pentagon” and heads should have rolled. ~ If for no other reason but to wake some people up.

            But what see seen under “W”, was Top Brass retiring early not wanting to be seen as part of a military debacle.

          • Robert Messmer

            I confess that I took the number 197 from a blog and no, I didn’t do any fact checking as to the actual number, cause I really didn’t expect to use it at the time I read it. Since I didn’t reference the particular cases discussed in Snopes that site’s labeling as sorta true or false has no bearing. It was interesting that in “debunking” one of those claims Snopes used this:

            The only supporting evidence for this claim is a second-hand account from an anonymous source.

            Not a single reputable news outlet has reported any such story.

            Not a single member of the U.S. government or the U.S. military has come forward to confirm the claim.

            It is interesting since it reads a whole lot like–Watergate. The only source was unidentified to the reporters and only told them what happened. No video, no DNA, no evidence other than his story. No other news outlet had done THAT story. Not a single member of the US government confirmed the claim. In fact most of the stories out of DC are attributed to “anonymous source”. And as far as being confirmed by the government, they didn’t know until they saw it on the tv news.

            You are right, Firing is not always a “Bad Thing” and is a part of being a Leader. BUT if we had a leader in DC, Holder would have been fired for Fast and Furious. Clinton would have been fired for Benghazi. Clapper would have been fired for lying to Congress.
            Lerner would have been fired for IRS abuses. Sebelius would have been fired for healthcare.gov disaster. Not one of these have been fired or held accountable to any degree.

            Yes, President Bush should have had a wholesale firing event with the Directors of all the alphabet agencies involved with spying and intelligence. He didn’t, but then the new Administration didn’t do any either that I recall.

            Did we have more take early retirement than has been fired by Obama? Even your link says that the two he fired over that simply “adds to a body count”.

          • Merle Dickey

            Obama is putting his own military together, not to protect us but to protect him and his bosses.

  • Stop Bush and Obama

    We simply need to see through the plot and avoid a war along the lines they want.

    To those on the right: The people on the left aren’t your real enemies. They may have been tricked into supporting some weird policies by the fake-left criminal Obama, and they may genuinely disagree with you on some points, but in what really matters, they’re essentially on the same side. The left hates Bush because of the Patriot Act just like you hate Obama for its extension, the NDAA. They hate Bush for his contributions to the bankster bailout just like you hate Obama for his contributions to the same. The real enemy isn’t the people on the left, the real enemy is those pulling the strings behind the likes of Obama and Clinton (which happens to be the same group that pulls the strings behind the likes of Bush and Cheney).

    To those on the left: The people on the right aren’t your real
    enemies. They may have been tricked into supporting some weird policies
    by the fake-right criminal Bush, and they may genuinely disagree with
    you on some points, but in what really matters, they’re essentially on
    the same side. The right hates Obama because of the NDAA just like
    you hate Bush for the foundations it is built on, the Patriot Act.
    They hate Obama for his contributions to the bankster bailout just like you hate Bush for his contributions to the same. The real enemy isn’t the people on the left, the real enemy is those pulling the strings behind the likes of Bush and Cheney (which happens to be the same group that pulls the strings behind the likes of Obama and Clinton).

    In order for sanity to win, people can’t end up fighting each other over details. The bad guys that happen to control both parties are the ones to fight against. It’s not your neighbor with a weird idea of who the lesser of 2 evils is. (You’ll end up agreeing that they’re both evil!)

  • Dianne

    A non-violent solution would enhance the strength of the conservative side, but it appears that the Gov will not comply. My xCIA friend has written a couple novels incorporating strategies during such a conflict if it comes to that. http://www.booksbyoliver.com

  • dan

    Bravo, Brandon….I look at it as the young and dumb (and i think 18 plus years of brainwahing by socialist change agents was sufficient ) versus the old and cranky.
    The false flags are becoming a failing tactic and 24% unemployment (Shadowstats) with youth roughly twice that is the cold water that ‘Building 7′ is to 9/11..Until we decapitate the globalists , we will fight a losing battle.

  • Diane Ringen

    The Navaho code talkers helped win WWII. True patriots need a code which can’t be broken.

  • Michael Shreve

    CLEARLY YES! We CAN argue the WHY, but can we argue the HOW? It surrounds US.

  • Deerinwater

    ” At the end of the war game, the Pentagon concluded that the U.S. dollar was at extreme risk of devaluation and collapse in the near term, triggered either by a default of the U.S. Treasury and the dumping of bonds by foreign investors or by hyperinflation by the private Federal Reserve.”

    So I would ask, who’s currency would be strengthen but such an event?

    Since rising water floats all boats and in the Land of the Blind , the one eyed man is King. ~ I would suggest it superfluous to contemplate such a “What if”

    while I know that won’t stop anyone. ~ I tend to suspect America might have gotten to big too allow to fail. ~

    But if it does, ~ we will have a lot of company.

    I do believe there are those that want to bring about chaos and out of this chaos attempt advance their position and standings in the world.

    Do such people and organizations have names and titles? ~

    Who would like to start a list of these people and organizations. That should prove to be amusing and informative.

  • KennyLLC

    Just as the U.N. failed the efforts of the Marines in Somalia, so too Obama is failing the American public. His muslim brotherhood csars will be the first to turn the DHS on the American people, and the “New World Order” and it’s “thousand points of light” will have all seven of it’s heads busy at once, ramming it’s ten horns toward the four corners of the earth.
    And who culturally and financially will be the only winner in this ?
    The former “nations” with the most oil, and the heaviest influenced in a one-world economy: those of Islam, and it’s caliphate will be right there in the seats of Security Council.
    Yield to the Image of the Wild Beast if you wish.
    I do not.

  • Merle Dickey

    We wouldn’t be fighting against each other. we would be fighting to survive the aerial and drone attacks dropped on us by the government.

  • swampfox

    what would those men who stood at concord and breeds hill
    say in answer to this,i stand with them!

  • MyronJPoltroonian

    An interesting and thought provoking read . . .

    **Wherever you stand on this issue, please take the time to read this; it
    should wake you from your careless slumber on this important truth.

    Dick Lamm was the former Governor of Colorado. In that context, his
    thoughts are particularly poignant. Recently, there was an immigration
    overpophulation conference in Washington, D.C. filled to capacity by
    many of America’s finest minds and leaders.

    A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked
    about his latest book, “Mexifornia”, explaining how immigration – both
    legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of California. He said it
    would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The
    American Dream.

    Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood
    up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America.

    The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the
    destruction of the United States. He said, “If you believe that America
    is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let’s destroy America. It is
    not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time.
    Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that
    an autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'”

    “Here is how they do it,” Lamm said.

    “First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual
    and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the
    tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages
    and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it
    is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour
    Lipset, put it this way: ‘The histories of bilingual and bicultural
    societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and
    tragedy.’ Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of
    national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not
    independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed
    an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons,
    Corsicans and Muslims.”

    Lamm went on:
    “Second, to destroy America , invent ‘multiculturalism’ and encourage
    immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that all
    cultures are equal; that there are no cultural differences. Make it an
    article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely
    to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation
    is out of bounds.”

    “Third, we could make the United States an ‘Hispanic Quebec’ without much
    effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin
    Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: ‘The apparent success of our
    own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not
    by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated
    ethnocentrcity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only
    tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.’ Lamm said, “I would encourage
    all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the
    melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to
    ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing
    their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities.”

    “Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least
    educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated,
    and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass
    have a 50% dropout rate from high school.”

    “My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations
    and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic
    identity, and I would establish the cult of ‘Victimology.’ I would get all
    minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority.
    I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the
    majority placation.”

    “My sixth plan for America’s downfall would include dual citizenship, and
    promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would
    stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are
    mostly engaged in hating each other – that is, when they are not killing
    each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical
    precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together.
    Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to
    the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they
    worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games.
    A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds
    were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and
    geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell.
    “E. Pluribus Unum” — From many, one. In that historical reality, if we
    put the emphasis on the ‘pluribus’ instead of the ‘Unum,’ we will
    “Balkanize” America as surely as Kosovo.”

    “Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits. Make it taboo to talk
    about anything against the cult of ‘diversity.’ I would find a word similar
    to ‘heretic’ in the 16th century – that stopped discussion and paralyzed
    thinking. Words like ‘racist’ or ‘xenophobe’ halt discussion and debate.
    Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established
    multi-culturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of
    ‘Victimology,’ I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration
    laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for
    America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant
    symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them.”

    In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound
    silence followed. Finally he said, “Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson
    Davis’s book ‘Mexifornia.’ His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to
    destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don’t read
    that book.”

    There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud
    above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew
    that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly,
    darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being
    suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational
    system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female
    genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate ‘diversity.’ American jobs are
    vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in
    America. Take note of California and other states. To date, ten million illegal
    aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell’s book “1984.”
    In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building:
    “War is peace,” “Freedom is slavery,” and “Ignorance is strength.”

    Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the
    conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply
    in trouble and worsening fast. If we don’t get this immigration monster
    stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy
    everything in its path, especially The American Dream.

    If you care for and love our country as I do, take the time to pass this on
    just as I did for you. NOTHING is going to happen if you don’t…EXCEPT
    the inevitable events destined by the forces/powers of OUR GOVERNMENT.