IRS Cover-Up Continues

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Two days ago, Lois Lerner, the director of the Internal Revenue Service’s Exempt Organizations division, told the House committee investigating the IRS scandal that she didn’t do anything wrong. She then refused to answer any questions and invoked her Constitutional right against self-incrimination. In other words, she pleaded the 5th.

So far, both Congressmen and reporters trying to find out who knew what and when they knew it are having a mighty hard time getting anyone to tell “the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth” about this spreading scandal.

We now know that White House officials were told of the accusations and a resulting internal investigation long before the news became public. But we’re supposed to believe that no one told President Barack Obama about it. Just like the rest of us, he didn’t know anything until the story made national TV. Sure.

Turns out that several other things we have been told are simply not true, either — like the fairy tale that Obama fired the acting commissioner of the IRS. Acting Commissioner Steven Miller’s appointment was going to end early next month anyway.

Nor did the commissioner in charge of the tax-exempt division get the ax. James Grant, a veteran IRS bureaucrat, quietly announced his retirement as of June 3. The IRS issued a very respectful statement about Grant’s departure, without any hint of a problem or that he had had suffered any sort of punishment or disgrace.

In other words, despite all of the claims to the contrary, not a single person in the IRS has lost his job over the scandal. In fact, the one person who was supervising those so-called “rogue” IRS employees when the infractions occurred not only wasn’t dismissed or demoted, she actually received a promotion.

In fact, Grant was made commissioner of the tax-exempt department only a little while ago. For the past three years, his boss was a woman named Sara Hall Ingram. And she didn’t get fired or demoted over the abuses by her staff; she got promoted.

That’s right. Ingram is now the director of the IRS’s Affordable Care Office. As hard as it may be to believe, the person in charge of the division at the IRS that singled out patriotic groups for special scrutiny is now the chief enforcer of Obamacare. Doesn’t that make you feel warm and cozy?

Oh, by the way, Ingram was handsomely rewarded for all of her efforts on behalf of the regime. Check out the loot that a grateful government awarded her while her employees were putting the squeeze on Tea Party types: In addition to a six-figure salary, Ingram collected bonuses of $34,400 in 2010, $35,400 in 2011, and $26,550 in 2012.

Who says crime doesn’t pay?

When The Media Turn On Obama

Yes, I know, it’s probably too much to hope that most of the mainstream press will put down their rose-colored glasses long enough to take a hard, unvarnished look at their liberal hero, Obama.

But it doesn’t take many cracks in the dyke for the truth to start leaking out. And in the past few days, there have been several encouraging signs that many in the media are starting to look past the White House spinmeisters. When they do, no wonder they’re deeply disturbed by what they see.

I call as my first witness Bob Woodward. Along with his partner, Carl Bernstein, Woodward helped expose the Watergate scandal back in the 1970s that led to the resignation of President Richard Nixon.

Woodward says he sees a similarity between those events and the scandals that are now embroiling the Obama Administration over events in Benghazi, Libya.

“I have to go back 40 years to Watergate, when Nixon put out his edited transcripts of the conversations,” Woodward said. “He personally went through them and said, ‘Let’s not tell this, let’s not show this.’”

The famed reporter says the controversy is not going to go away any time soon. “I would not dismiss Benghazi,” he said, “It’s a very serious issue. As people keep saying, four people were killed.”

Meanwhile, Bernstein said the actions of Obama Administration officials who seized the phone records of Associated Press reporters were “outrageous.” He added that even if Obama did not know about the details of the action, he was certainly aware of the policy.

Now we’ve learned that three years ago, the Justice Department labeled FOX News correspondent James Rosen as a possible co-conspirator in a criminal case involving leaked classified information. The government lawyers did so to justify going through Rosen’s personal emails. But at no time was Rosen notified that he was a target of the probe, as the law requires.

This obvious violation of Rosen’s 1st Amendment rights should alarm every reporter and editor in the country. Heck, it should make all of us furious at the Administration’s callous disregard of our Constitutional guarantees. But, then again, when has the Obama Administration paid more than lip service to the U.S. Constitution anyway?

As more and more reporters refuse to accept the White House’s absurd explanations for events and start digging for the truth themselves, much of what they find will alarm them. Who knows what could happen as more of this Administration’s deceit is revealed?

Consider, for example, what happened when a reporter from The Washington Post talked with an IRS worker in the Cincinnati office — you know, one of those “rogue employees” who allegedly decided on their own to target conservative groups with extra scrutiny.

“We people on the local level are doing what we are supposed to do,” The Post quoted the indignant staffer as saying. “Everything comes from the top. We don’t have any authority to make those decisions without someone signing off on them. There has to be a directive.”

And even when aides do come to the Administration’s defense, sometimes they just dig the hole deeper. That’s what happened when Dan Pfeiffer, a senior adviser to Obama, made the rounds of the Sunday morning talk shows five days ago. Instead of defusing questions about the three crises that have engulfed the White House, Pfeiffer only made matters worse.

His first miscalculation came when he appeared on “Fox Sunday Morning” with Chris Wallace. The reporter wanted to know where the President was, and what he was doing, the night of the terrorist attack on our consulate in Benghazi. Was he monitoring events from the Situation Room? “That’s a largely irrelevant fact,” Pfeiffer replied.

Oh, really?

The aide seemed to like that dodge so much that he tried it again when he appeared on ABC’s “This Week” with George Stephanopoulos. The host pressed him about the growing IRS scandal: “What does the president believe,” he asked. “Does the president believe that [targeting conservative groups] would be illegal?”

Pfeiffer replied, “The law is irrelevant.” A visibly astonished Stephanopoulos replied, “You don’t really mean the law is irrelevant, do you?”

Yes, George, they really do. The truth is whatever they say it is. And how dare anyone question them about it.

Senator Mike Lee (R-Utah) put it well when he said, “The president’s entire program is based on giving more and more power to the same executive branch agencies demonstrating themselves this week to either be criminally incompetent or tyrannically corrupt.”

And Lee concluded, “This is what always happens when government gets too big. The Founders knew that over time, either the people would control the government or the government would control the people. That’s why they bequeathed us a constitutionally limited government — a republic, if we could keep it.”

We’ve seen other Presidents try desperately to sweep a growing controversy under the rug. But the truth can defeat them every time, if sufficient pains are taken to bring it to light.

Let’s do our part to continue shining the spotlight where it’s needed the most. And watch the cockroaches scurry for cover.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • independent thinker

    But Chip don’t you know “ITS ALL BUSH’S FAULT”. After all he has only been gone for four and a half years so he can order obama’s appointees around and force them to commit unlawful acts.

  • village idiot

    Unbelievable that anyone in the Whitehouse can say things like that. Only criminals talk that way, which explains exactly what we have crawling around in the Whitehouse! Are we in trouble or what? With other criminals like Hillary waiting in the wings, the future for America does not look good from a moral perspective, but hey who cares about morals anymore anyway! Seriously now, can anyone answer that truthfully without showing utter disdain for the present potus? Be honest and test yourself.

  • Red55bird

    When the people ( STOP ) believing in you Mr. President and wake up to the fact that you our A DICATOR and using the IRS to spy on the people, this abuse cannot and will not be excepted by the people, for if there is one thing worst then the fear of the IRS coming down on the people, it would be the fact you have become a Dictator of America.

    • Rocco

      Laying it on a little thick aren’t you? I agree we have let the executive branch get to powerful, but that started with George Washington. Nobody’s calling him a dictator. Obama will be out in 3 years and you will have someone else to blame. As for the IRS, it should be disbanded and the income tax with it. It would help if people stopped with all the bs about the president and focused on the real problem’s, like both political parties that care only about getting elected and seem to have no desire to actually govern and help our nation.

      • Red55bird

        Rocco if you go back in the last four years, you well see how Obama has gone around Congress with executive order over 118 times. In all three scams this President has been telling everyone he didn’t know anything about it, but all reports show these order come down from the White House to the Justice Department to the Defense Department. What I’m trying to say is, we have a Administration who knows not what the truth is, and our adding more lies to try and cover up lies the White House has put out about Benghazi, the IRS, and the AP. Yesterday John Boehner said it pretty clearly Trip-Trip-Trip coming out of this Administration will all come out, and show all that under Obama watch as President he has been quite frankly lest then truthful to the American people.

      • Don 2

        George Washington? Really? Would that be the same George Washington who, for the good of the country, refused another term as president, against the will of the people, who essentially wanted to make him their king. Is that the George Washington you are referring to?

        • Rocco

          Yes, that one. As much as he tried not to, he added to the power of the executive branch. One instance is when he sent in troops to make sure farmers paid their taxes during the Whiskey Rebellion. Thomas Jefferson, agonized over the Louisiana Purchase, as he knew the executive branch wasn’t really authorized to do it.
          And as much as slavery needed to be stopped, Lincoln went overboard by using military might to stop it, plus taxing incomes to pay for it.
          Every president added more and more power to the office, mostly with pure or at least good intentions, and as we know–“the path to hell is paved with good intentions.”

          • Don 2

            If you are making an argument against the feds being able to collect federal taxes from working citizens to pay for all the welfare and Obamaphones for all the slackers, takers, and illegal aliens, then I am with you.

          • Rocco

            I am, although I’m more worried about the feds starting wars, nation-building and other mischief than illegal aliens. The less gov’t does, the better off we all are.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You didn’t do much thinking through when you replied.

          • FreedomFighter

            The culling of the economic unwashed is about to beginhttp://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/8447Laus DeoSemper FI

          • dan

            unfortunately ,NONE (zero,zip,nada) of the money goes to welfare…it ALL goes to pay the INTEREST FIRST that the FED (a Privately owned Corporation)charges for printing/creating the ersatz paper dollars for the loans/deficits that the Government operates from.Welfare monies are BORROWED from the FED,because the monies set aside for Social Securities was capitalized long ago.

          • Dick Gazinia

            On most issues I lean toward the conservative point of view, but not all. There is an aspect to the welfare system that many are not seeing. I saw it first hand when growing up as my mother was a social worker dealing with those on welfare. The majority, through lack of intelligence, lack of education, or lack of opportunity are not capable of functioning normally in society. Generational welfare recipients suffer from these and a culture of being on the dole, are unemployable, and they have no clue as to how to get out of it.

            Education is a way out, but schools in disadvantages areas can’t fill the need. Education and economic opportunity can help break the cycle but are not likely to do so any time soon.

            If left to their own resources, that is – no welfare, they would have choice but turn to crime to survive. Remember Dickens era London? … filled with pick pockets, petty thieves, whores, and cut throats. Child crime was rampant.

            Welfare may be the price of helping to keep many of those on the bottom rungs of society from starving or turning to crime.

            The fact that there are so many on the cycle of generational welfare, especially those of a certain ethnicity, is an abiding legacy of slavery. In institution in which human beings were bred and sold as chattel, discouraged from personal responsibility and thinking for oneself, had no real sense of family, and never developed personal initiative.

            It is undeniable that recipients can be considered “slackers”, “takers”, etc.. Pragmatically, until we can cure the root cause of the welfare system, I don’t mind some of our tax money going to welfare rather than see the recipients, fellow Americans, slide into even worse circumstances.

            I’d rather stop pouring all the money we dump into wars for people that will hate us anyway and do some nation building right here at home to create an environment in which the American hopeless can get educated and find economic opportunity to get off the government dole and start contributing to society like the rest of us.

          • Dick Gazinia

            This is not a right wing/left wing issue. It is neither conservative or liberal. It is an American issue that whether you are on welfare or not, opposed to welfare or not, it is a real and abiding problem that will haunt our wonderful nation until we decide to REALLY do something about it.

            Threats, pulling money out of the system to let people starve will not help. We, as a society need new thinking and the will to follow through.

      • Ringgo1

        You may attempt to distract, deflect, cover up, and change the subject, but we all see Obamao’s crimes.

        • http://twitter.com/jopa52078396 jopa

          Ringgo;In the end you will see no crime just media smoke trying to create stories on slow news days.

      • rain dancer

        Rocco, the trouble with demotards is, they wouldn’t know truth, if it shown to them. Any moron that voted for the muslim marxist, the first time either couldn’t read, or were just brain dead. The second time they voted for the congential liar, proved their reading comprehension was below a earth worm. This black puke in the WH hate the USA, thinks muslim as normal, when reallt they are pedophile worshipping freaks who treat any one that is a Christian, or under 10 years old or female, needs killing and or abuse, no matter what social strata they are in. Muslims beleive in any type of lying is approved by allah the vengenceful pervert. So why should anyone be surprised by Obozos behavior or for that matter any dumborat.

        • Rocco

          You are your own worst enemy rain dancer. your hate fill rant with absolutely no factual foundation is why I can’t take you seriously. if you don’t like Obamas politics or the way he runs the country, fine. I have plenty of problems with what he has and hasn’t done. So grow up, learn some facts, and come back with an adult argument for you position.

      • bwtanker

        WASHINGTON’S NAME SHOULD NOT BE IN THE SAME PARAGRAPH AS OBAMA’S.oBAMA IS THE CROOK AND HAS AUTHORIZED ALL THE SCANDALS THAT ARE GOING ON,AND YES I CALL HIM A DICTATOR TOO BECAUSE HE IS.HE IS THE ONE IN CHARGE AND AS HARRY TRUMAN SAID THE BUCK STOPS HERE

        • Rocco

          William, see my reply to rain dancer, it applies to you also. Plus, no need to yell, we can read you.

      • http://twitter.com/jopa52078396 jopa

        Rocco;The biggest fear the GOP has is if the story broke as to how well the economy is doing despite their blocks in the House and Senate on jobs bills, how the stock market has been breaking records every other day, GM is alive Bin Laden dead and how much safer we are in America today through our great leadership.

        • Don 2

          jopa,
          Go back to sleep.

        • Vigilant

          And you can bet your bottom fiat dollar that if that were so, the MSM would jump on it like flies on liberals.

        • Timbo

          You better pinch yourself, your dreaming!

    • http://twitter.com/jopa52078396 jopa

      Redbird;You are just as messed up as Michelle Bachman.She said” you can use your phones today the IRS is off”.Do you not understand what the supposed scandals are or do you just like to blabber mumbo jumbo?

    • ridge runner

      People will always beleive anything a Dem says because of the fact of a genetic deformed genetic material the complles them to never tell the truth, and if a pedophile worshipping rug scrubbing Dem , there is only massive corruption at ever level from top to bottom.

  • DPMP

    Lies, Lies, and more Lies this is what the low-life voters of America wanted, they got their freebies and real Americans got the shaft and the bills.

    • nc

      dpmp, what the American people( 69,000,000 of them) wanted was to get the “bush recession”, “bad wars”, repugnuts as far from the Oval Office as they could get them! How else could a black man with a Muslim name win the election? Failed bush policy elected him with a record number of votes!
      Four years later those bad wars were grinding to a halt, the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs per month under bush policy had ended and the stockmarket had shown record growth! The black dude goes back in!! “ONE TERM” OBAMA BECOMES “TWO TERM” OBAMA!
      THE NUMBER ONE PLACE IN THE WORLD TO LIVE REMAINS THE NUMBER ONE PLACE IN THE WORLD TO LIVE! EXCEPT FOR THE 2% WHO LIVE HERE!

      • Vigilant

        “…and the stockmarket had shown record growth!”
        Back on that canard again, nc? How many times must you be spanked?

        • Ringgo1

          I think nc actually LIKES the spankings, Vigilant. ‘Takes all kinds.

          • Vigilant

            Agreed, Ringgo1

        • nc

          Vigilant, try this old canard:
          “A party with 2% of the vote will not control our government but we let you watch!”

          • Vigilant

            Now if you can relate that to anything I’ve said, have at it.

          • Don 2

            We will let you watch??? Who are you…..better yet, who do you think you are, besides some low-level, low-paying loser troll, with a dime-a-dozen unskilled computer data input job?

            And we will let you swing your own sickle when your time comes peasant.

          • nc

            don 2< I am a "loser troll" member of the largest party in the last two presidential election with My President in the OvaL Office! And you? A Mc Pain _Caribou Barbie backer or a member of the remaining 2% who we let qwatch government tin action!

          • Don 2

            So, you are an admitted Democrat loser troll lurking on Conservative websites. What an impressive resume that must make? How does one actually qualify to become a troll? Apparently, knowing how to spell is not a requirement. How does your career ladder work? Is there like a troll apprenticeship? You know, a troll 1, troll 2, intermediate troll, advanced troll, and senior troll? Do you work out of your parents basement, on your parents computer, with free room and board? I’m curious, do you get paid per word, or per post? How does that work? Did you have to give up all self-esteem and independent thinking as a requirement to being hired? As a low-level peon Democrat troll, do you qualify for food stamps? What about an Obama phone? Did you get one? Where do you go from here with this impressive background? This is really interesting. Please keep us posted on your amazing career.

          • nc

            Don2, I am paid by no one! I am 77 retired and a life long Democrat! I joined the Marine Corps out of college and have taken the oath to defend OUR Constitution on four separate occasions and in 35 years of work never once has my loyalty to that oath been questioned! Not once!
            I come here because the concentration of ignorance is the largest I have found in one place! Everything is a false flag government conspiracy that would take the involvement of thousands without a break to be pulled off! How many clear thinking adults buy into that stretch of one’s imagination?? FEMA Camps? dictatorships?, cancelled elections? usurper?, Muslim, communist?
            Nothing EVER proved!! Nothing EVER sticks!
            Stay right here Dan! I think you are totally at home in the land of the knuckle draggers! 21st century government for 300 million citizens is beyond the conservative pay grade!

          • Don 2

            You know nc, there are a lot of people who have taken an oath to defend the U.S. Constitution, and then proceeded to trash the hell out of it. Obama, Biden, Holder, Cuomo, Schumer, Feinstein, to name a few, and there are many, many more.

            If you are a former Marine, and don’t even know that Obama’s childhood mentor was Communist Party U.S.A. recruiter and pro-Soviet Union supporter, Frank Marshall Davis, that Obama declared himself a revolutionary Marxist upon entering Occidental College, that Obama intentionally chose to study under radical professors, including Richard Cloward at Columbia U., and has an administration full of Muslim advisors(I can give you their names) associated with the Muslim Brotherhood, and Communists, and after 77 years, you are still voting Democrat; you sir, are Stuck On Stupid and qualify as a low-information voter.

          • nc

            Don 2, how sad to have all that junk rattling around in one’s head waiting for someone with another wild claim to add to your confusion! Clue to where you are headed! There are several pages of Clinton Crimes floating around the internet for the last 15 years with no arrests and no convictions! Look them up and start your sad self another scrapbook!

          • Don 2

            Dear Stuck on Stupid,

            Prove me wrong!

          • Vigilant

            Great move, nc. You show your backside every time you post.

            Don 2 has furnished DOCUMENTED facts that you call “junk.”

            You’re hopeless, helpless, clueless and balless. For once in your pitiable life, address his factual assertions head on instead of taking the cowardly route of subject-changing.

          • Don 2

            Yo, Stuck on Stupid, It has been over 24 hours and I am still waiting for you, or any one of your liberal Democrat peon useful idiot troll brothers to prove me wrong. Would you like the names of Obama’s Muslim advisors who are linked to the Muslim Brotherhood? Just ask, and I will provide.

          • Vigilant

            nc says, “and in 35 years of work never once has my loyalty to that oath been questioned! Not once!”

            I beg to differ. Your loyalty has been questioned a number if times on this website.

            Add mine to that list.

          • Vigilant

            Uh, an investment in a dictionary would do you well. A “canard” is a lie, dummy.

        • JeffH

          Vigilant, nc just contiues to parrot his/her “BULLS & BEARS” ideology that the stock market is a measure of the American economy.

          nc, try to grasp this if you’re capable.

          1. Companies that manage their debt, cash, resources, etc. better than the overall economy, then stocks can go up while the economy does not.

          2. Corporate earnings are stronger now than in times past, even though the U.S. economy is still weak. In other words, the overall earnings of companies in the Standard & Poor’s 500 are greater this time around as the S&P 500 index nears its previous tops from 2000 and 2007. We know that because of the price-earnings (P/E) ratios at the previous market peaks.

          3. The final reason why what’s going on in the U.S. economy isn’t reflective of what is or will happen in stocks is that most of the companies (if not all of them) in the S&P 500 and Dow Jones Industrial Average, etc. have very significant international operations that are affected by those economies as well as our economy.
          http://www.moneynews.com/SeanHyman/Economy-stocks-PE-S-P-500/2013/03/11/id/494038

          • Vigilant

            Excellent points, Jeff, but I expect (no, I know) that nc has once again pit his fingers in his ears and hummed through the symphony. He’s as incapable of grasping the truth as Obama is in interpreting the Constitution correctly.

          • http://twitter.com/jopa52078396 jopa

            Sean H what a joke.You have to do better than that to be credible LOL.

          • JeffH

            Speaking of no credibility jopa, were you born “stoopid” or did you have to work at it? Either way the result remains the same…you are what you are!

            FYI, You didn’t have to spell it out but you do think the credited SeanH is of the FOXvariety.
            bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…WRONG answer…no banana for you!

          • Jana

            JeffH,Great reply. There just doesn’t seem any way to fix stupid. And, stupid is as stupid says. Too bad.

          • http://twitter.com/jopa52078396 jopa

            Jana; I have been telling Jeff for years That you can’t fix stupid.

          • http://twitter.com/jopa52078396 jopa

            Stupid is the correct spelling for your “Stoopidness”.Looking at your profile pic. I never thought you would have a mustache.You do look silly.Sorry.

      • nickkin

        The American people didn’t want obozo. Voter fraud got him in and when you can refrain from the words of Bush-bashing, you will have improved your vocabulary and learn to say “I am a nerd”

      • Timbo

        Your down to one and a half remaining braincells, That makes you part of the 1 percent.

  • hippybiker

    I was around, and a registered voter when Watergate took place. Nobody got killed during that episode. And it was discovered that, the Democrats were running a call girl operation out of that office. For proof, read G Gordon Liddy’s book “When I Was A Kid, This Was A Free Country.” Impeach Soetoro now!

  • ONLYJB1

    First off Chip, my powder is always dry and I have plenty of it! We find an administration that has openly declared their socialist ideas and mentality, including Comrade obama himself!
    We see their arrogance as to the extent of their power! They have not a second thought as to OUR Constitution or any existing laws of our country. According to them THEY are above any law. “They are the law!”
    Now is our time to remove this cancerous administration before it is too late. The law is on our side. If we do not stop them now, we never will and we deserve what comes.

  • Vigilant

    The shame of it is that, like Clinton, Obama would never have the grace to resign as Nixon did. Impeachment would unlikely ever be followed by conviction in the Senate since Democrats rule the roost there, and would vote party loyalty rather than Constitutional loyalty.

    • Deerinwater

      Hmm? ~ I don’t remember that it worked that well for Nixon , few spoke of “Grace” in his accepting a “Checkmate” and stepping down at the time.

      You seem to be the first one offer it as “grace”. some 40 years later.

      Until the merits of these claims are validated, it ‘s premature to project the end game as a forgone conclusion to impeachment. ~ Sounds more like wishful thinking on your part.

      • Vigilant

        “Wishful thinking?” In what respect?

        That I would like to see a man convicted of unconstitutional excesses, a man who stands for everything that I find repugnant about the left? No, what makes you think that’s wishful thinking?

        • Vigilant

          “…few spoke of “Grace” in his accepting a “Checkmate” and stepping down at the time.”

          Doesn’t matter what you call it, Nixon was a realist who saw the handwriting on the wall and certainly was concerned about mitigating some of the unsavory aspects of his legacy.

          What would you have called it if he had stonewalled and let it go to impeachment proceedings and Senate trial?

          • securityman

            i would call it obummerism

          • Vigilant

            Or Clintonism.

          • Average_Joe56

            … Or, liberal/progressivism….
            “We fully intend to look into these matters and determine that it is someone else’s fault, as usual.
            Thank you for asking. We appreciate your criticism, &%*# you very much. Nothing to see here, move along.”
            Sincerely, The Anointed One.

          • Deerinwater

            I liked Nixon ~ and he was a bright man and a realist as you say. ~ We need more such men today. ~ while you seem to have your donkey in front of your cart on this issue. ~ and there is no parallels between the two events ~ except in your mind , ~ as the neo right attempt to sell the notion of scandalous actives by the current administration that is only being promoted and accepted by a crazed base that thinks they smell blood in the water. Where these charges true or not ~ easy enough to side-step for any sitting President.

            This too will pass and Obama will still be standing as you enjoy your healthy dose of sour grapes.

            I do hope that our next President is true conservative ~ and if it pleases you a GOP President! ~ UNLESS it’s a Mitt Romney or some sort of Bockman or Rick Santorum ~ then all Good Will is off ~ my friend and yet again ~ we’ll take it to the matt.

          • Vigilant

            Darwin Winkler, Deerinwater, Bobwire.

            I first suspected it from your postings, then saw the similarity in the first two monikers. Am I right?

            At least we get to see your mug after all this time. Sorry, I have no mug shot for me, so I’ll have to continue with my Husky “Shadow.”

          • Average_Joe56

            You would be correct in your assessment of the situation.

          • Deerinwater

            Yes, ~ it is I. ~ I posted a marker with each change of pen names. Some posters read this announcement and have always known my identity~ They are not new pen names but old. ~ There was a point we found far too many “Bob’s” here ~ So the pen Deerinwater was introduced out of respect of the other Bob’s and clarity.

            With Mr. Livingston’s most recent upgraded format ~ I found little choice to my Pen ~ My opinions somewhat limited when facebook was introduced. So now , it is DarwAn.

            There is another, ~ “Longshanks” but i don’t expect that you will be hearing from him. I don’t let him out much.

            The Husky ~ is a noble creature and it suits you well as an Avatar Vigilant. I like it.

            I wish that I knew how to change Avatars ~ I would change mine. I’ve looked into it at one time ~ during Mr. Livingston’s “transitional” period ~ I got no results. ~ Now I suppose I might change it via facebook ? ~

            Small stuff ~ my time limited for, ~ as like everyone else , the sea of change and winds of destruction constant and begging my attention.

            What we need most in America today ~ is someone to take up where the beloved Rodney Dangerfield left off with more three line zingers. ~ I miss him.

        • JeffH

          Strassel: IRS Scandal’s Roots in Obama’s 2008 Campaign; Attacked Clinton, Edwards, Too

          Kimberly Strassel has a must-read column at the Wall Street Journal today that explains the context in which the IRS scandal emerged–not just during the Obama administration’s attempt to quash the Tea Party, but in Obama’s efforts to shut down all opposition, both Republican and Democratic, in the 2008 campaign.

          Strassel: Conservatives Became Targets in 2008

          The Obama campaign played a big role in a liberal onslaught that far pre-dated Citizens United.
          http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324659404578501411510635312.html?mod=opinion_newsreel

          • Vigilant

            Superb article, Jeff. Thanks for the link.
            Everyone should read it.

        • Deerinwater

          It’s wishful thinking ~ to associate and compare two separate events ~ and believe that the outcome will be the same Valiant. ~ They are not the same and the end results will not be the same. ~ There lies your “wishful thinking”.

          Every President has to deal with “rogue elements” working in his behalf with unbridled zeal. ~ Even Reagan had to hide behind “Plausible Deniability” a one point. ~

          I say, ~ “you got nothing” ~ and it best to move on. Find another line of attack ~ as this attack will be parried aside like down feathers.

          Prove me wrong, if you can. ~ I am only being the realist here ~ so when did “:not being real” become so popular?

          • Vigilant

            “It’s wishful thinking ~ to associate and compare two separate events ~ and believe that the outcome will be the same Valiant.”

            “Believe the outcome will be the same?” You need to put your reading glasses on, Bob. I quote myself with “Impeachment would unlikely ever be followed by conviction in the Senate since Democrats rule the roost there, and would vote party loyalty rather than Constitutional loyalty.”

            By what stretch of the English language (and logic) does that equate to believing that the outcome will be the same? I said quite the opposite!

          • Average_Joe56

            “They are not the same and the end results will not be the same. ”
            Correct, nobody died as a result of Watergate.

      • Ringgo1

        Will you forever try to cover for the O and his dhimmis?

        • Deerinwater

          Call it what you might Ringgo, ~ I’m defending the right to descent . ~ do you mind? ~ Or do your prefer a lynch mob running things?

          I can’t chance who is the president in power today. ~ and you can’t either with this little preach tree twig in your hand.

          Never try to fight a bear with a switch.

          It’s my and your job to offer us a good candidate of President. So far, ~ you have failed to do that.

          No lame excuses for failure will I accept. ~ Make it happen Ringgo.

          • Ringgo1

            You appear to have accepted a “lame excuse for failure” in the person of the O.

          • Average_Joe56

            “Never try to fight a bear with a switch. ”
            Ok, but we will continue to fight a turd (Obama) with a plunger (law) and flush it away…. gone…..

        • Deerinwater

          And for good reason ~ He is the President of these United States and I have no options as you offer none.

      • Average_Joe56

        I was no fan of Nixon.
        Maybe “grace” was the wrong choice of words to use, however, Nixon did have enough common sense to know that his house of cards was falling down around him and get out, while saving himself the embarrassment of a very public trial and the taxpayers a substantial amount of legal fees to drag him through the mud.
        Obama does not possess such fortitude. He will scream, “racism”, “it’s Bush’s fault”, “it’s someone else’s problem”, “this is the first I’ve heard about it”, or any other number of “blame” someone or something else that he can toss out to deflect from either, his gross incompetence or his deliberate destruction of this nation’s economy and Rule of Law (Constitution). I suspect that it is a combination of the two.
        Deerinheadlights…….yes, we know who you are……

        • Deerinwater

          It’s Deerinwater Joe, ~ I don’t sport with your title, why you mine?

          This effort to compare two separate events and make a sound argument, I find greatly lacking as the forces in play attempt to manufacture a “scandal” that might somehow lead to the White House.

          That you are willing to taken the notion, swallow it, hook, line and sinker and run with it is not surprising at all Joe. It serves you in someway I suppose.

          When thisTomfoolery is finally thrown to the side like last months People Magazine, I look forward to the next “New Scandal” crafted by the disenfranchised in search of a toe hold to gain relevance in today’s national politics.

          But one thing seems clear ~ cheating on our federal taxes and claiming the IRS cheated to catch people cheating ~ is not going to go very far.

          • Average_Joe56

            “I don’t sport with your title, why you mine? ”

            I didn’t, I simply acknowledged your deer in headlights approach to life and debate. Feigning indignation? First you must have some dignity.

            As for the rest of your diatribe, you are free to “find” anything you wish to “find”…although, I would suggest starting with common sense and a bit of logical thought
            (both of which you seem to sadly lack). You sir, are a party hack, nothing more, nothing less.

            I am quite sure that if the shoe was on the other foot; (IRS targeting “Liberal” groups), this would be a major issue for you and the likes of you, however, since it isn’t, “nothing to see here”…….

            Just remember, if the tides change and the Republicans get control of Senate….the shoe could be on the other foot…and you will get the same response that you’ve given to us….”nothing to see here, move along”.

            The difference between you and me…your side of the aisle is never in the wrong, while I don’t have a “side”…only the rule of law matters to me and nothing else.
            The rule of law is meant to protect us all…not just one side or the other…when it’s convenient for one side’s agendas (whatever they may be).
            For you, the end justifies the means. For me, the law matters…not agenda’s.

          • Deerinwater

            Yes you did ! ~ don’t start your posting with a disingenuous statement. ~

            I am a American ~ I pay taxes , I fought our wars, ~ I create jobs , ~ I brought new American into this world. ~

            Today in America “free markets” is a joke. ~ I work from the trenches to change what needs to be changed and do and say what needs to be said. ~

            Party Hack? ~~ You say that to me? ~ You are seeing a reflection of yourself ~

            You say “For you, the end justifies the means. For me, the law matters…not agenda’s.”

            Laws require enforcement to work, ~ laws alone can do little. ~ and that is what this is about ~ enforcement of existing laws. While you do not approve of the way they have been enforced if I understand you correctly.

          • Average_Joe56

            “Yes you did ! ~ don’t start your posting with a disingenuous statement. ~ ”
            This isn’t the first time that I’ve accused you of being Deerinheadlights, and unless you change drastically, it won’t be the last time. And let’s not forget that in the past, you have referred to me as Below Average Joe. The difference is, I don’t care what your simple mind calls me, I have thick skin. You, on the other hand…seem to have a thick skull…and very thin skin.

            “I am a American ~ I pay taxes , I fought our wars, ~ I create jobs , ~ I brought new American into this world. ~”

            Do you require a medal… or a chest to pin it on?
            Did you think you are the only person to have done these things?

            And… what the He!! is this “new American” you brought to us? Are you insinuating that you have offspring? (God forbid). Keep your new American to yourself, many of us like America…the old way…A Constitutional Republic…If you desire something other than that…please move to where it already exists and leave our Republic alone.

            “Today in America “free markets” is a joke”

            What fee market? We haven’t had a free market for decades.

            “Party Hack? ~~ You say that to me?”

            Yes I did…and I stand by that statement…and I am willing to bet that most folks here…would agree with the statement. Deal with it.

            “Laws require enforcement to work, ~ laws alone can do little. ”

            Do you even know what the Law is? I am guessing, NO.

            The Law is the Constitution, a very simple document to read and understand ( at least for most of us) and…. to Enforce. Anything else is not law…it is “public policy”, AKA ” Legislated Morality”….and if not in harmony with the Constitution…it is not in fact… law. If you don’t know the difference between Law and Public Policy, I suggest you educate yourself about the difference…before speaking on the subject further.
            Have a wonderful (albeit delusional) day.

          • Deerinwater

            Joe if you cannot accept the responsibility for what you write here, I see no reason to give you any attention. ~

            You have the capacity to say anything. ~ There is no “New America” , there is just today’s America , ~what is left of two unfunded wars and years of predatory lending practices that have bleed the wealth from one class of Americans and places it in the pockets of fewer Americans that use this money to influence people like yourself ~ to oppose any and all reform believing status quo and no change is a better course.

            Our problems did not start with Obama or Bush II or Bush I or Clinton. ~ but leads straight to the door step of one Ronald Reagan. ~ but no doubt ~ I can’t see that. ~ ~ The Master of Smoke and Mirrors , of hedge funds, ~ of the derivative ~ the birth place of Sub prime ~ when America Capitalist principals married the devils daughter and the systematic dismantling of the American workforce began.

            My voice belongs here, ~ and your hide can’t be any thicker then mine my brother. ~ If I thought you were important Joe, I continue this conservation with you. ~ but you are a liar! ~ and I never seen a liar that would not cheat and steal. ~ so for now ~ your time is up with me.

          • Average_Joe56

            “You have the capacity to say anything. ~ There is no “New America” , there is just today’s America , ”

            Do you even read what YOU write here?

            From your Post: “I am a American ~ I pay taxes , I fought our wars, ~ I create jobs , ~ I brought new American into this world. ~ ”

            I asked you about your “new American”.

            “Our problems did not start with Obama or Bush II or Bush I or Clinton. ~ but leads straight to the door step of one Ronald Reagan.”

            You might want to go back quite a bit further in history…It started with Lincoln. To believe otherwise is ignorance on your behalf.

            ” ~ and your hide can’t be any thicker then mine my brother. ”
            If true, then why are you still whining?

            “If I thought you were important Joe, I continue this conservation with you”

            Are you somehow implying that you are important?…..Only to yourself, brother…oh brother…..

            Folks who live in glass houses…probably shouldn’t be throwing stones…..

          • Deerinwater

            I fail to see the need to go back to the days of horse and buggy to blame current affairs on Joe. ~

            Not with given so much time has pasted to address any wrongs. To blame Lincoln, ~ you might as well blame everyone between his time and ours for failing to act.

            Going back to your last lie is far enough.

            Don’t make sport of my handle ~ ~ or any other persons handle for that matter or lie about doing it.

            And just to help you along, ~ “It’s deer frozen in headlights” ~ Now what makes you ever believe for one second I might be frozen? ~ or are you just slapping your gums to hear your head rattle? ~

            You’ve had your head handed to you the last two general elections, ~ so it’s not I that is found paralyzed like a deer in headlamps. ~ I can assure you ~ how can people that are paralyzed cram things down your throat or take your guns, steal your money, strip you of your rights, make you cry and take your candy? ~ And the bigger question, what is there for me to whine about? ? ~ My request to you was a simple one, ~ Quit making sport of my Handle!

            So give up the “Deer in headlight” stick ~ what ya say? Average Joe. ~ ~ You know calling yourself ~ Average Joe ~ could be taken as an huge insult? ~ That’s a lot of people and a lot of assuming on your part to label yourself that. ~~ My title is just Deerinwater ~ one word, ~ It’s an American name. It’s pronounced in as a simple word and should offer an confusion to anyone that makes the claim of being “Average”. ~ unlike so many here, ~ I am not using any other people, or nation, or idea to crutch my identity on ~

            and if there is a New America, ~ you are the only one that knows of it. ~ More of us quit depending on draft animals 60 years ago in America.

            The only thing new today is that some people believe they carry on subversive activities wrapped in the national flag and referred to themselves as American Patriots. People that can hold high the Christian Cross and bear false-witness and still call themselves Christian. People that believe that the word Capitalism can be found in the Constitution and I suppose the bible it’s self ? People that place the value of a dollar above human life and feel righteous for doing so. ~ People that demand entitlement for themselves as a birth right and would deny others Americans over mere pedigree or pigment while reciting our nation Pledge of Allegiance to the flag and the Republic of which it stands, one nation, under God , indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.

            These turn of events , ~ this open display of hypocrisy is relatively “new” in today’s America. Some people feel justified in doing so ~ and that’s only because they are angry. ~~ This collective anger ~ is being focused by party hacks and affiliations ~

            So Joe, ~ you and your anger is but a tool ~ as you focus it on me. ~~ that it fails to serve you ~ while you continue to do so ~~ only makes you the fool ~ among the many other things you have proven yourself to be.

          • Average_Joe56

            “I fail to see the need to go back to the days of horse and buggy to blame current affairs on Joe. ~ ”

            The problem is, you fail to see much of anything…past the end of your nose.

            “Don’t make sport of my handle ~ ~ or any other persons handle for that matter or lie about doing it.”

            Or what? Are you going to cry? Stop pouting like a two year old…grow up.

            “and if there is a New America, ~ you are the only one that knows of it. ~ More of us quit depending on draft animals 60 years ago in America.”

            I see you still haven’t read your own post. You mentioned “new American”, I simply asked you about it. Does the left side of your brain know what the right side is thinking? There’s the “Deerinheadlights” displaying itself…prominently. Thanks for that… now stop whining.

            So Deerinheadlights, ~ you and your anger is but a tool ~ as you focus it on me. ~~ that it fails to serve you ~ while you continue to do so ~~ only makes you the fool ~ among the many other things you have proven yourself to be.
            Ok, go ahead and say something else…ignorant, but please…stop whining like a child who didn’t get his second helping of “Fool-Aid” today. Your opinion has been duly noted and duly ignored.

          • Deerinwater

            LOL! That it? ~ That is all you got? ~ name calling and a feeble attempt at bullying? ~

            Joe , it is people like yourself that are destroying the good works of people like Ron Raul and the ideas that Mr. Livingston promotes. The people that see serious need for Federal government reform and find themselves facing off not only with entrenched power but the hearts and minds of the American people as they seek support for their efforts

            Your attitude and conduct here only makes Average Joe the worst thing to ever happen to the Tea Party and a valuable tool to it’s opposition as you go about polarizing and flaming with personal attacks.

            By all mean ~ please carry on with your attacks. ~ it has worked so well ~ Average Joe,

            If one day, you ever wake up and wonder why you and the things that you have supported have failed, ~ you need look no farther than a mirror. ~ It is there where you will “see” your biggest problem.

            I suspect, ~ you have a long history of leaving behind a wake of destruction with your social blundering and loose tongue.

            I’m going to taken McCains advise with you, ~ “Never wrestle with a pig, ~ you will both get dirty and he likes it”.

            Flame away Average Joe ! ~ Show us just how mean and nasty you can be ~

            But ~ you are not Average ~ Joe ~ leaving “average” a status for you to only aspire too.

          • Average_Joe56

            Are you still here…whining like a child? Of course you are.

            Sorry, I call a spade…a spade.

            “Your attitude and conduct here only makes Average Joe the worst thing to ever happen to the Tea Party”

            Sorry, I am not a member of the Tea Party or any other party. I am an individual and you sir, are still a party hack and still stuck in the Left/Right paradigm.

            You do realize of course that you can make the decision to ignore me, right? You do realize that nobody is forcing you to respond to them, right?

            If and when you say something that I agree with, I will let you know. As long as you continue to say things that I don’t agree with, I will continue to let you know that too.

            I know that I can get under your skin…you make it so easy. I love to watch people with no self control make fools of themselves…thank you so much for contributing to my amusement. Now, please go blow your smoke up someone else’s backside…I’ve grown bored with your silliness. So far, you’ve managed to avoid answering any of my points…while continuing to whine about my use of your misnomer . That my friend is childish.

          • Deerinwater

            And your point being? ~ lost in your attack! ~ I think you have explained and identified yourself fairly adequately for everyone at this point. ~

            I am most willing to let the readers decide what has and has not been exposed here Joe.

          • Average_Joe56

            Yawn…….

      • Ted Crawford

        “wishful thinking”? More likely , given the preponderance of evidence, a logical conclusion!
        “I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no other way of judging the future but by the past” Patrick Henry

        • Deerinwater

          Well when you separate your preponderance of evidence for substantiated facts ~ let’s us see what it is and make prudent judgement from there.

          • Ted Crawford

            By all means! It has long been my policy to close the barn door only after all the livestock has escaped. It reduces my feeding and cleaning duties! I must be getting in touch with my progressive side in that!

          • Deerinwater

            well? it’s your barn and your stock, you can do what you want too until it becomes a problem for others Ted.

          • Average_Joe56

            In order for that to happen, the facts and truth need to be forthcoming from those involved….Oh wait, they aren’t talking or turning over documents etc. Most of us can only come to one conclusion…they are stonewalling because of criminal wrongdoing. If they are not, then why hide behind the 5th Amendment. Certainly, if they have done nothing wrong and nothing illegal….why hide?

            “A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”

            John F. Kennedy

    • Rocco

      Grace? Nixon had grace? That’s a new one.

      • mari

        Decorum might have been a better word for you, although I think grace might also fit the bill. Obama has no decorum. He has never felt that he needed to learn Whitehouse, military or international etiquette. From the moment he moved into the Whitehouse and returned the gift that Britain had given our country (the bust of Winston Churchill) until now, he has smirked at our country’s values (taking sides in the beer summit), trampled on our customs (bowing to our enemies and besmirching our country), and has scoffed at the principals that have made this country great (ridiculing us for clinging to our guns and religion). It would be an act of grace for him to retire.
        The military teaches that a leader never takes the credit for anything but always takes the responsibility…that’s decorum.

  • Name

    I’m sick to death of TRYING to post here! Should NOT be this hard. Mr. Obama must go but using this site to get the word out won’t help

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Why are you having problems posting comments? We somehow managed so don’t be in a hurry to give up. And yes this site is read by assorted collection of people that use some of the phrasing and ideas in their own articles.

  • red neck

    “We now know that White House officials were told of the accusations and a resulting internal investigation long before the news became public”.

    First of all it was the “white house” that ordered the IRS to use Chicago style tactics against the conservative groups that were applying for a 501(c)3 status. I have heard that the unions were also evolved in the decision making process and we know that the unions are being backed by obama and his thugs. This leaves very little room for blame in my opinion…. But of course obama will continue to lie as always!

  • dan

    PATRONAGE…IN A REGULATORY AGENCY ? Yes , above ALL else ,the IRS
    is a regulatory agency and has been corrupt / manipulative / coercive since it’s inception. IMHO , this is a false flag distraction for Benghazi (where the bodies lie)

  • red neck

    Where is flashy, n.c., davidl, doc sarvis and all of the rest of the idiots that mindlessly support obama?… I’m curious that with new information coming out everyday how these idiots will respond…

    • Average_Joe56

      With more idiocy, I suspect. ;)

      • Vigilant

        More than a suspicion, Bud, it’s a slam dunk certainty.

        • Average_Joe56

          Shhh… I’m learning to humble myself before the ignorant masses. I must learn self control and not call a spade … a spade. (My tongue is sore from biting it).
          A simple exercise in civility. ;)

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Then God must have given me the nature of a sheepdog, I have claws and sharp teeth.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      They are regrouping.

  • Dave

    So when this “targeting” was happening… The Commissioner was Doug Shulman. And Doug Shulman was appointed by Obama when? Oh wait… He wasn’t appointed by Obama, he was appointed by Bush and left in Nov after his 5 year term was up.
    What we should be focused on his how groups like “Freedomworks” get subsidized by my tax dollars to run political ads. That… Is the real issue… How liberal AND conservative groups are allowed to be subsidized by our tax money to carry out their respective political agendas.
    But I forget, hate for Obama trumps all common sense… please continiue.

    • Vigilant

      “What we should be focused on his how groups like “Freedomworks” get subsidized by my tax dollars to run political ads. That… Is the real issue… ”

      What you consider “the real issue” happens to be a back burner issue at the moment. Alinsky-type attempts to divert the thread are to be expected from congenital propagandists like yourself. Bottom line: your argument holds no water, sonny.

      • Dave

        OK Vigilant, I get it… you hate Obama and so does the authors here… But the person that was the head of the IRS when all this nonsense went down was a Bush appointee.focus
        Why were all these groups being granted tax exempt status? Easily led conservatives do not want to explore that issue because its this big anonoymous money that allows them to even be competitive in national contests now because of the change in demographics within the United States. You need to believe Obama personally ordered the focus because your hate of Obama is so strong.
        If you want to really hang Obama on anything, the AP story is a real scandal that I will join you on. For that Holder should resign and Obama needs to take serious flak for.
        But this? This is just another made up scandal like Benghazi to stop Obama from being an effective president and deflect from the GOP’s singleminded desire to put their desire for power over doing whats right for the country.
        Sad that you can’t see that… But hyper-partisans rarely do see it.

        • Ringgo1

          You’re pretty quick to play the “hate” card. Why is that? Your LIES about Benghazi being a “made up scandal” do not help your worthless cause. Your projection of your own hyper-partisanship onto others will not work. Your attempts to deflect blame and change the subject will not work. You lose.

          • Dave

            Worthless cause ringgo1? So you are fine with conservative and liberal groups being subsidized by your tax dollars to put out political ads?
            That is my cause.
            Can you tell me who’s lives were ruined on the conservative side by this extra scrutiny? Do you have anything?
            And yes, I use the word “hate” because that what you, Vigilant, Chip, WAR, BobL have illustrated in your words.
            Sorry, maybe if people around here were more even handed, I would not use that word.

          • Vigilant

            “Worthless cause ringgo1? So you are fine with conservative and liberal groups being subsidized by your tax dollars to put out political ads?
            That is my cause.”

            If THAT’S your cause, why did it take so many posts about everything BUT campaign financing?

            I take back my Alinsky comment. One needs to have relatively ordered and sane thinking processes to purposely apply his techniques. You’ve demonstrated you have neither.

          • Dave

            Vigilant,

            Obviously you missed this point in my FIRST post.

            “What we should be focused on his how groups like “Freedomworks” get subsidized by my tax dollars to run political ads. That… Is the real issue… How liberal AND conservative groups are allowed to be subsidized by our tax money to carry out their respective political agendas.”

            What does this mean to you? Sounds like the point I was making when you said “why did it take so many posts about everything BUT campaign financing”

            If if you were paying attention to anything but what the conservative media has spoon fed you, you would know that I have consistantly said big money in the political process is the #1 threat to this country… not conservative money… not liberal money… but money period. But that will not penetrate the bubble will it?

          • Vigilant

            “What does this mean to you?”

            It means you continue to attempt to divert this
            discussion.

            It means you are zeroing in on something that may be a problem, but happens to be legal.

            It means you ignore the illegal acts of the IRS to focus on a “back burner” issue as I said before.

            It means you are failing in your paltry attempt to derail the thread.

            Next question.

          • Dave

            Talk about side-tracking… I contradicted your direct challenge with proof and you try and move the subject because you know you lost. Don’t cry about it… just admit it. But a conservative taking responsibility or admitting they were wrong about anything is unheard of.

          • Average_Joe56

            “So you are fine with conservative and liberal groups being subsidized by your tax dollars to put out political ads?”
            I don’t recall anyone advocating such. Most of us would just as soon that our tax money be spent on more worthwhile things…like keeping it our own pockets and profiting from our own efforts. We don’t think that the government should be in the business of picking winners and losers…not politically or in the market….period
            But, thank you… for getting completely off topic…..

          • Dave

            Exactly Bud,
            But thats what these liberal groups and conservative groups did. These groups should NOT be tax exempt. That is the true issue.
            The Gov picks winners and losers every day. Just ask Haliburton that made 29B dollars off the Iraq war. Or Tesla that is paying back 427M in Gov loans and is turning a profit with their electric car.
            It happens… But we are more concerned about the IRS putting extra scrutiny on conservative groups were were applying for tax exempt status in huge numbers during the 2012 election cycle with a Bush appointee as its head. Really? Really?

          • Average_Joe56

            “Exactly Bud,
            But thats (sic) what these liberal groups and conservative groups did. These groups should NOT be tax exempt. That is the true issue. ”

            You missed my point entirely.

            I am advocating for everyone to be “Tax Exempt” on the Federal level, unless it is apportioned equally amongst the people as specified under the Constitution. I don’t believe that the 16th Amendment was ever properly ratified ( and even if it was,
            “Stanton v. Baltic Mining, 240 US 103 (1916), the following: “… that by the previous ruling it was settled that the provisions of the Sixteenth Amendment conferred no new power of taxation, but simply prohibited the previous complete and plenary power of income taxation possessed by Congress from the beginning from being taken out of the category of indirect taxation to which it inherently belonged and being placed in the category of direct taxation subject to apportionment by a consideration of the sources from which the income was derived…”. The ”previous ruling” cited in the Stanton decision was referring to the Brushaber decision. ” still makes income tax Unconstitutional, as it isn’t apportioned as it should be to be Constitutional).

        • Vigilant

          “Why were all these groups being granted tax exempt status? Easily led conservatives do not want to explore that issue ”

          Why were the liberal backed groups given “fast track” treatment? Easily led liberals do not want to explore that issue ”

          Your turn….no, I take that back; you’ve been checkmated.

          • Dave

            Vigilant,
            Can you tell me which conservative groups that were denied tax exempt status under this scrutiny?

          • Don 2

            Dave,

            None were denied. They weren’t approved either. That’s what makes it an obvious political scandal.

          • Dave

            Don 2,

            You are incorrect. All of them were approved. Sorry. So this scandal isn’t much of a scandal as far as Obama is concerned.

          • Don 2

            Dave,

            You failed to mention, they were not approved prior to the 2012 election, and hence, affected the rights of opponents of Obama. What does it matter after the election is over?

          • Vigilant

            Don2, you’re speaking the truth and that’s anathema to the socialists.

            Dave’s once again trying to sidetrack the conversation. His impaired moral faculties can’t grasp the fact that using the IRS for political purposes by TARGETING certain groups to the exclusion of others is illegal.

            Whether none of them or all of them were approved is irrelevant. What part of “illegal” does he not understand?

          • Don 2

            Vigilant,

            These airhead liberals simply do not care about legality or facts, as long as a particular end justifies a particular means to advance their socialist agenda. Protecting their ideology is their number one priority.

          • Dave

            LOL Don 2 and Vigilant, I hope you enjoyed breaking your arms patting each other’s backsides… Obama’s law breaking pales in comparison to Reagan’s, Bush 1’s with Iran Contra and Bush 2’s lies around the Iraq war and the outing of a CIA agent… But please continue with your making the IRS scandal into something its not.

          • Don 2

            Dave,

            Do you ever get tired of supporting the Obama criminal regime? First of all, let’s clear the air. Valerie Plame was not a “covert” CIA agent. Second, her identity was exposed by Richard Armitage, not Bush 2. Third, lies around the Iraq war? You mean, like Saddam using WMD on the Kurds in Iraq? That’s a fact.

            P.S. – We don’t have to make the IRS scandal into something. The Obama administration has already done that, and Congress is cornering the rats for us.

            Kudos to us, Vigilant!

          • Deerinwater

            I guess ~ scandalous is whatever you can make of it. ~ I have friends and guest on occasion stay overnight in my home. ~ It’s up to my neighbors who witness this activity to fashion the scandal.

            What might be viewed as scandalous lies in the minds of the beholder that is making the “charge” . ~ The rest of us found only victims of a dark and twisted hyperactive mind.

            And I fear , that is what we see here.~ The IRS is busting some people chops for claiming exemptions to fund political activities. ~ That these people have organized, labeled themselves and violated tax code on a wholesale level is not wanting to be consider as relevant or germane to the IRS conducting the collection of federal revenue.

            To scream SCANDAL , ~ is about the only defense they have to persent ~ to get out of this pickle that have created for themselves. ~

            That few American’s would wish to align themselves with the IRS ~ It might just work! ~ or are least the appeal for a sympathetic ear in their favor.

            This is what these neocon tax dodgers is hoping for. ~ They want to misdirect federal revenue to support their cause as they work to defund the DNC by busting labor unions.

            Cleaver plan ~ you have to admit ~ Can they get beyond just the claim of “scandal” and bring forward hard evidence to support it? ~ We will see in the coming weeks.

          • Vigilant

            I’ll tell you once you tell me what POSSIBLE relevance that has to the FACT that SPECIFIC groups were TARGETED and SPECIFIC groups were fast-tracked.

          • Dave

            It means they still got what they wanted… the subsidation of political activity on our tax dollars which you don’t seem to have much issue with.
            Now out with which groups were denied? Can you name ANY? oops…

          • Vigilant

            Answer my challenge and you will.

          • Deerinwater

            Oh! Fast Tracked ~ you mean “Targeted for Review” ! ~ That’s the way the IRS has always conducted business Vigilant. ~ Programmed discrimination ~ While you can call it many things I suppose.

            Much like a “One armed bandit” ~ a 8 liner gambling machine, ~ It operates on a “program “~ Where one wins or loses ~ not certain ~ while the percentage of revenue is determined by the setting. ~ The program controls the margin of profit ~ I think it starts at 22% and can be adjusted up to 50%. ~ It does not matter who pulled the level.

            Where as with the IRS, ~ it does matter who pulls the level. ~ This is discrimination ~ or a default, however you wish to view it. ~

            The process of addressing “WORK” effectively ~ requires a certain amount of discrimination on the part of people doing the work. ~

            If the IRS elects to search of tax cheats ~ rather then look at Mobil oil or General Electric or the Mitt Romney’s of the world ~ with their staff of bookkeepers and the 7 th floor high-rise staffed with attorneys and legal aids ~ They have always elected to go after the “Willie Nelson’s of the world, ~ people that spend a lot of money and fail to ask for receipts and have little administrative staffing, much less bookkeeping and a legal department.

            It’s never been fair! ~ but it is not anything new,

            The Tea Party could have just named it’s self “Tax Cheats are Us” and the end results been much the same.

          • Vigilant

            “Oh! Fast Tracked ~ you mean “Targeted for Review”

            No I don’t. Obtain a dictionary or seek tutorship on the English language. They are two different things and, sadly, you know it but are playing subject-changing games.

            I always gave you credit for staying pretty well on subject and not engaging in Alinsky games. I see now I must revise my assessment, Deerinheadlights.

          • Deerinwater

            Don’t toy with my title mister. ~ I don’t with yours or anyone else.

            I have not one clue what an Alinsky game is. ~Sound like something you have consumed and attempting to apply. I’ve heard the term applied in whining fashion many times by neocon ‘s and suspect it goes well with bread and cheese.

            Fast Track ~is a general term ~ implying a process of circumventing for expedience. ~ That some “EnD” might justify a sloppy “means”.

            Not having a crystal ball to follow your inference ~ again I ask you to elaborate as you employ the “term” for clarity.

            It’s true, ~ I do not drink from your poison well and depend on the spoken word in forth-right fashion to convey ideas. ~ I am not a Neocon, nor a astrophysicist , their acronyms and jargon alien to me.

            So I ask you once again, ~ what is been “Fast Tracked” or must I drink from your poison well to know?

            The charge of “scandal” has been only employed ~ while you seem most willing to accept it a foregone conclusion.

            You do so without the privilege of facts ~ depending on claims, commentary and non unsubstantiated information.

            The Fifth Amendment (Amendment V) to the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, protects against abuse of government authority in a legal procedure. Its guarantees stem from English common law which traces back to Magna Carta in 1215.

            To “plead the Fifth” is to refuse to answer any question because “the implications of the question, in the setting in which it is asked” leads a claimant to possess a “reasonable cause to apprehend danger from a direct answer”, believing that “a responsive answer to the question or an explanation of why it cannot be answered might be dangerous because injurious disclosure could result.

            In the most famous case John Lilburne refused to take the oath in 1637. His case and his call for “freeborn rights” were rallying points for reforms against forced oaths, forced self-incrimination, and other kinds of coercion. Oliver Cromwell’s revolution overturned the practice and incorporated protections, in response to a popular group of English citizens known as the Levellers. The Levellers presented The Humble Petition of Many Thousands to Parliament in 1647 with 13 demands, third of which was the right against self-incrimination in criminal cases. These protections were brought to America by Puritans, and were later incorporated into the United States Constitution through the Bill of Rights.

          • Vigilant

            “I have not one clue what an Alinsky game is.”

            If that’s the case then you’ve read nothing on this site about it. It has appeared numerous times and has even been the subject of main articles here. If you haven’t read the many posts about it, then that tells me you have absolutely no interest in expanding your knowledge. Among other things, I defined part of it for you, i.e., “subject-changing games.”

            You do it in your response to me: I mentioned NOTHING about Lerner’s taking the Fifth Amendment but you devote three paragraphs to it. One answer: NOT APPLICABLE. (In addition, NOT your words but a plagiarized quote you do not attribute, a bad habit of yours).

            ” I am not a Neocon, nor a astrophysicist , their acronyms and jargon alien to me.”

            Neither am I. “Targeting” and “fast tracking?” Neocon/astrophysicist? No, DW, they are commonly used terms in the English language and your coyly attempted denial of knowing the difference is a misrepresentation of the truth.

            So, for those who are English-challenged but insist on mincing words anyway, here it is in simple terms: Conservative groups were TARGETED by IRS before a critical election to slow down their application processes, while at the same time FAST TRACKING applications from liberal groups. Is that too hard for you to understand?

            What’s more, don’t give me that line about “unsubstantiated.” When even the IRS ADMITS that it was done, it’s called a FACT. This is indeed “non unsubstantiated information,” as you put it, i.e., substantiated.

          • Vigilant

            DW says, “The charge of “scandal” has been only employed ~ while you seem most willing to accept it a foregone conclusion.”

            The IRS broke the law. You don’t call that a scandal, Even the government accepts it as a scandal. It’s not a foregone conclusion, it’s FACT.

          • Deerinwater

            “But Representative Darrell Issa, Republican of California, the committee’s chairman, said that with her opening statement, Ms. Lerner had lost the right not to testify. He said he was considering calling her back.

            “Everything she said under oath is subject to perjury,” Mr. Issa said. “This is not one of those things where you can put the genie back in the bottle.”

            Well Mr. Issa is half right when he said “Everything she said under oath is subject to perjury,” ~ but wrong in believe that Ms. Lerner has somehow lose the constitutional rights afford by the 5th amendment.

            I call a man of that position and caliber to be only 50% correct ~ unworthy of his station. Root has better percentage ratio of being correct.

            The powers that be are wanting Ms. Lener to fall on her own sword and make this go away. ~ My guess is that she more than likely will ~ if they have to make her a nice deal under the table.

          • Vigilant

            The legal eagles have counseled that she, in making the opening statement AFTER she had taken the oath, was indeed testifying and subject to perjury considerations.

            Had she made the statement BEFORE she took the oath, it would have been a different story. It’s certainly a technical issue, but an important one.

            She began testifying with her opening statement. She cannot have it both ways, and a refusal to testify once you have relinquished the right against self-incrimination carries with it a contempt of Congress charge.

            Not that this has ANYTHING to do with the illegality of targeting and fast tracking, which we notice you haven’t addressed.

          • Deerinwater

            Oh ! thanks ! ~ that narrowed it down some. ~ The IRS has always conducted it’s affairs in such fashion Vigilant. They had been procession Federal Tax returns for many years and do ~ discriminate among them by what data is filed on each one. ~ From there each return goes to a department that specializes in data offered on the return.

            ~ The focus afforded each return is relevant to the content offered. How might it be done any other ways without being seen a selecting Bingo numbers at the Women’s Auxiliary Club?

            Sound like some American’s are just beginning to learn how the IRS operates. ~ You must be very careful with the information that you offer on your tax returns, unless you are willing to expose yourself to a body cavity search for a few dollars.

            Some 19 years ago, I hired a CPA to do my taxes that resulted in me getting my education about the IRS. I ended up losing my wife, family and house over it by the time the dust has settled. ~

            Some educations don’t come cheap Vigilant, ~ It certainly made a big impression on me. I hate to hear of anyone finding themselves going though an IRS review and audit as I did. ~~ I was very angry for a long time over this turn of events ~ while I come to accept that it was I to blame with whom I placed my trust. ~ I am not the same man now.

            Find you a book keeper that has worked for the IRS to handle your tax returns ~if they are somewhat complex and you earning over 80,000 per year is the best advise I can offer anyone. It’s money well spent.

          • Bob666

            Yo Darwin,
            Great minds think a like! My tax accountant retired last year and she was a wizard on tax law and accounting. The second question that I would ask her potential replacement in an interview was; have you ever worked for the IRS?

            Her replacement spent ten years with the IRS and it was between her and one other person with similar accounting knowledge without the IRS experience.

          • Vigilant

            “The IRS has always conducted it’s affairs in such fashion Vigilant.”

            That’s as misleading a statement as you’ve ever made, DW. The IRS does indeed flag returns for certain mathematical factors, factors based on size of income, reported losses, questionable deductions, and other ratios that experience has shown to be within the suspicions of fraud, etc., etc., etc. Those criteria are ENTIRELY legal and acceptable, as you so tragically discovered.

            To even HINT that poltical sentiments as a basis for review is allowable under the law is disingenuous. Your case is the apples and oranges comparison.

            No law was broken in scrutinizing your returns. Laws were not only broken in IRS shenanigans in this case, they were the basis for part of the impeachment articles against Richard Nixon.

          • Deerinwater

            Vigilant ~with the claiming of a political exemption exceeding a few hundred dollars, a person has automatically brought scrutiny to their tax return,

            The same as if I might claimed a loss by theft of $2,000.00 dollars on a yearly return. Not only would it need to be accompany by a police report but a cost inventory that the IRS is willing to accept. ~ They might not accept my inventory and ask for proof of purchase and then deprecate retail value. As you know ~ they are not known for being pleasant people. ~ Like this IRS agent told me, “Mister Winkler, we are the IRS and not a bank ~ you are obligated to produce the balance now due on your account! ” “When can we expect that?”

            In any case ~ in claiming a $2,000.00 lose I have encumbered my return and exposed it to scrutiny I’d prefer to avoid.

            As an Government Agency, ~ with commissioned duty to enforce tax codes and collect revenue is to uncover a rash of exemption impropriety in X claims , It stands to reason that X claims be given the attention necessary to correct rather then a hit and miss approach in enforcement that would only create a tangled nightmare if not address when identified.

            These tax codes are to be applied to everyone equally while you seem to be suggesting the method used unlawful to identify exempt violations.

            A honest but still weak argument in defense of your position.

          • Vigilant

            We seem to be talking at cross purposes here.

            I agree with your comments, but the issue was never about the IRS screening completed returns; it’s about targeting applications for tax exempt status as nonprofits. And that targeting is illegal if it’s based on political motives, pure and simple. As I said, it’s apples and oranges, DW.

          • Deerinwater

            Fast track treatment? you might expand on that before your start your “end zone dance”

          • Vigilant

            No need to expand. It’s common knowledge, or do you not follow the news?

          • Deerinwater

            well, ~ I don’t watch TV if that is what you mean. Okay , I will search “Fast Tracking Liberal groups then. ~ What do you think I will find?

          • Vigilant

            Google “Fast Tracking Liberal groups.” There are only 4 million hits to choose from, Deer.

          • Vigilant

            And what have you found?

        • Vigilant

          “OK Vigilant, I get it… you hate Obama and so does [sic] the authors here… ”

          My, my, I’ve always known that leftists have an IQ problem, but how long have you been coming here and just now experienced that revelation?

          To be accurate, we hate the accelerated wrong direction in which he has taken this country.. It is generally the leftists who have cornered the market on personal hatred.

          • Dave

            LOL… OK Vigilant… You are a MENSA candidate.

            The amount of debt the country is amassing is coming down, not going up

            the unemployment rate is coming down, not going up.

            But we need a conservative I guess… We had one in 2000 and he immediately started spending and dolling out tax cuts even before 9-11 and then he gets us into 2 wars while tax cuts are going on. In what world of yours does that make any sense? Conservatives are champions of deregulation and it was dereguilation, not over regulation that led to the collapse in 2008.

            But Vigilant, you are a genius, you already knew that. LOL.

            Conservatives are just so cute when they lose. They will destroy a country just to get even for it.

          • Don 2

            Democrats Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Janet Reno, Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd caused the housing collapse. No if’s, and’s, or but’s about it.

          • Dave

            Oh, so loosening banking regs under Reagan had nothing to do with it? The abolishing of Glass-Steegal? Nothing? The fact that the whole Reagan economic model fell on its butt and even reagan’s own advisors admitted to such? Nothing?
            Your ideology has blinded you to the whole picture….Both parties, The banks, Fannie and Freddie, Wall Street, the Credit Rating outfits, Gov regulatory oversight and the Mortgage and Home building industry all played strong hands in the collapse. But you being a good little follower of conservative talking points stays on message.

          • Don 2

            Even George Bush repeatedly asked Congress to investigate Fanny & Freddie, but ole Barney Frank kept saying everything was just wonderful and no investigation was needed…..and then the house of cards fell!

          • Dave

            LOL… you think the issue was all Fannie and Freddie…Ok, its clear where your arguements come from… GOP talking points. Well done.

          • Don 2

            Wake up Dave. Reagan reduced the top marginal tax rate from 70% when he came into office to 28% by the time he left office, and the government take went from $500 billion to $968 billion.

          • Deerinwater

            I’d come near thinking an economic down turn caused these failures as the promise of lower taxes would stimulated job growth never happened and was never delivered.

            or we can say it was both!

          • Vigilant

            Not to forget Franklin Raines.

          • Ted Crawford

            ” We had one in 2000″ ? ?! Are you serious here?!
            Even a cursory glance at the Administration of Bush ’43’, makes it clear that it didn’t even resemble a Fiscally Conservative Administration! Bush ’43’, either agreed with the excessive Congressional spending, or for reasons known only to him, failed to effectively administer his power of the Veto! In either case he was very definately NOT a Fiscal Conservative! The (R) behind ones name is irrelevant ( Snowe, Nelson, Graham, McCain, Rubio,etc.) !

          • Dave

            He is a conservative like Obama is a liberal Ted. But that doesn’t stop the conservative cable here from calling Obama a liberal, socialist, communist or Marxist does it?
            Bush was no liberal, he was a conservative corporatist. Just like Reagan.

          • Vigilant

            “Conservative corporatist” is an oxymoron, and you’d know that if you knew anything about conservatism.

          • Dave

            Take out the “oxy” and you would have it. I know more about conservatives that you know about liberals that is for sure.

          • Vigilant

            Perhaps you’d like to expand on that comment.

            “I know more about conservatives that [sic] you know about liberals [sic] that is for sure.”
            How so?

          • Dave

            Sure, I am politically aware. I do not sequester myself away to liberal sites and look for people to agree with me. I come to conservative sites like PLD to get my beliefs challenged.

            I know what conservatives say they are for and what they have actually done.

            Living in the DC area for most of my life, I saw the grandstanding and the phoniness of both parties and both ideologies. From Barry in DC to conservative Govenorships in VA that bankrupted the state.

            You participate in calling Obama a socialist, communist and Marxist and do not realize that those three words have very different definitions or that Obama is not any of them. He is a left of center (this term) and right of center (1st term) corportatist.

            That is an example of why I know more than you do.

            Your turn.

          • Vigilant

            Dave says, “That is an example of why I know more than you do.”
            No, that’s an example of your opinion, and you know what they say about opinions…

          • JeffH

            …and a glaring example that Ron White and Forrest Gump were correct.
            “You can’t fix stupid” – R. White
            “Stupid is as stupid does” – F. Gump

          • JeffH

            Dave47D…

            1 – Did you mean “cabal”?

            2 – Obama is a hybrid…Marxist/Communist/Fascist socialist

          • Vigilant

            Well son, I don’t claim to be a genius, but I know the difference between debt and deficit. If you knew the difference, you wouldn’t be making the egregiously false claim that “The amount of debt the country is amassing is coming down, not going up.”

            Advice: take an “Economics for Dummies” course.

          • JeffH

            Vig…do ya think that Dave47D(someone had to replace eddie) might have several Darwin Awards affectionately displayed above his mantel or proudly hanging in his office?

          • Dave

            Are you squeezing off a few rounds to be able to think clearly today JeffH?

          • Vigilant

            If you’d squeeze off a few loafs of that liberal excrement that’s inside you, you might be able to think more clearly.

          • JeffH

            How many times have you made that same statement.
            Hint…POLLY WANT A CRACKER?

          • Vigilant

            Good one, Jeff, and most likely accurate.
            I was told that Dave took a job at a zoo circumcising elephants because he heard the pay was lousy but the tips were big…

          • JeffH

            Now that was funny!

    • Ringgo1

      Yeah, yeah. Go ahead and TRY to change the subject. It won’t work.

      • Dave

        Was the commissioner a Bush appointee or wasn’t he? yes or no…

        • Don 2

          Doesn’t matter. When a new president allows a previous commissioner to continue to serve his/her new administration, in this case Obama, he/she becomes an Obama appointee by default, and attempting to lay the blame on the previous president is a moot point. The new CEO is responsible for everything that happens under his/her watch.

          • Dave

            Ok, so the guy who doesn’t share Obama’s political ideology and the agency who’s head is not a direct report to Obama doesn’t matter? The IRS director has a term of service of 5 years and he served his term. If the Treasury head tried to get him to target conservative groups why didn’t he make a stink during the election if this a draconian measure by the Obama administration?

            “When a new president allows a previous commissioner to continue to serve his/her new administration, in this case Obama, he/she becomes an Obama appointee by default”
            That is a complete joke.

          • Don 2

            HELL-O-O-O…..Obama was his “boss” It doesn’t matter if he doesn’t share Obama’s political ideology…..Obama is the guy that will remove him if he does not follow instructions. Duh!

          • Dave

            The IRS is not a direct report to Obama. Did Obama replace him or ask him to resign? No… because the IRS has quite a bit of distance from the President. If Obama needed his “person” to be the commissioner to intimidate conservative groups via additional screenings as a directive from the administration (and of which ZERO were denied tax exempt status), why did he not do it? Quit while you are behind. If Obama was behind this, he would have had his own person as the commissioner. Not a Bush appointee
            Your arguements fail…

        • Vigilant

          Did the commissioner visit the WH over 115 times or not? Yes or no?

          Quite a trick for someone who, in YOUR words, “has quite a bit of distance from the President.”

    • JeffH

      Dave47D never could see the forrest for the trees.
      Strassel: Conservatives Became Targets in 2008

      The Obama campaign played a big role in a liberal onslaught
      that far pre-dated Citizens United.
      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324659404578501411510635312.html?mod=opinion_newsreel

      • Dave

        And the head of the IRS was a Bush appoinitee… Go back to sleep Jeffrey and wake up when its time to go to the range.

        • JeffH

          Your point Dave47D?
          Why didn’t Obama replace him?
          Because Obama obviously approved of the job he was doing and the moment he took his directions from the Obama Administration he became Obama’s baggage.

          Just curious, what is an “appoinitee”?

  • FreedomFighter

    “Until next time, keep some powder dry.”–Chip WoodYes sir, looks like we will need it soon.Laus DeoSemper FI

  • hungry4food

    All these scandals are a diversion of what needs time to breakdown…….

    The Government
    Theft of Retirement Accounts Has Begun

    Pay attention to the links in this article that are words in
    the sentences …….

    http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/05/22/the-government-theft-of-retirement-accounts-has-begun/

    This is one of those Links …. Its shows that the Fed GOV is
    running out of Money by eating up their own retirement funds to pay the
    retirees and workers ……

    http://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2013/05/treasury-taps-federal-retirement-coffers-again/63302/

  • tncdel

    When is the Tea Party and the GOP going to call for Obama to be PROSECUTED and removed from office? A non-U.S. citizen is NOT constitutionally-entitled to impeachment proceedings.

    Obama’s social security number failed E-Verify, and anyone with enough intelligence to follow the simple instructions of this video can prove to themselves beyond any doubt that the document Obama claims is his birth certificate was amateurishly created using Adobe layering techniques. Please see:

    http://youtu.be/7s9StxsFllY

    • Deerinwater

      They have! ~ and until anyone can produce enough evidence to support these claims . ~ These claims will go ignored.

      It’s as simple as that my fellow American. We live in America, ~ where hearsay is not considered evidence and sound evidence must be provided for any legal action. No attorney of any character wants to be a part of a legal action and loose such a case. ~

      If such evidence was available ~ it would have been employed by now by some group that feel as you do.

      Where is Kenneth Starr today? ~ Read about this man that has a history of supports bad ideas!

      In 2004 Starr expressed regret for ever having asked the Department of Justice to assign him to oversee the Lewinsky investigation personally, saying “the most fundamental thing that could have been done differently” would have been for somebody else to have investigated the matter.[24]

      Political satire [edit]

      As with many controversial figures, Kenneth Starr has been the subject of political satire. Both the book, And the Horse He Rode In On, by James Carville, and the stage play, Starr’s on Broadway, by Eric Zaccar, attempt to add a comedic, arguably negative light to Starr’s time as special prosecutor.

      Post-Independent Counsel activities [edit]

      After five years as independent counsel, Starr resigned and returned to private practice as an appellate lawyer and a visiting professor at New York University and the George Mason University School of Law. Starr worked as a partner at Kirkland & Ellis, specializing in litigation. He was one of the lead attorneys in a class-action lawsuit filed by a coalition of liberal and conservative groups (including theAmerican Civil Liberties Union and the National Rifle Association) against the regulations created by the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002, known informally as McCain-Feingold Act. In the case, Starr argued that the law is an unconstitutional abridgement of free speech.

      On April 6, 2004, he was appointed dean of the Pepperdine University School of Law. He originally accepted a position at Pepperdine as the first dean of the newly created School of Public Policy in 1996; however, he withdrew from the appointment in 1998, several months after the Lewinsky controversy erupted. Critics charged that there was a conflict of interest due to substantial donations to Pepperdine from billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife, a Clinton critic who funded many media outlets attacking the president. (Scaife’s money, however, supported the Foster-was-murdered theory, according to CNN, and Scaife defunded The American Spectator after it endorsed Starr’s conclusion of suicide and mocked a Scaife-aided book.[15]) In 2004, some five years after President Clinton’s impeachment, Starr was again offered a Pepperdine position at the School of Law and this time accepted it.

      Death penalty cases [edit]

      In 2005 Starr worked to overturn the death sentence of Robin Lovitt, who was on Virginia’s Death Row for murdering a man during a robbery in 1998. Starr provided his services to Lovitt pro bono. On October 3, 2005, the Supreme Court denied certiorari. (Lovitt was granted clemency and had his sentence commuted to life in prison without parole, on November 29, 2005, by Governor Mark Warner of Virginia.)

      On January 26, 2006, the defense team of convicted murderer Michael Morales (which included Starr) sent letters to California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger requesting clemency for Morales.[25]Letters purportedly from the jurors who determined Morales’s death sentence were included in the package sent to Schwarzenegger.

      Sarbanes–Oxley [edit]

      Ken Starr announced that he would challenge the portion of the Sarbanes–Oxley Act that gives authority to the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board (PCAOB).[26][27]

      Morse v. Frederick [edit]

      Main article: Morse v. Frederick

      On May 4, 2006, Starr announced that he would represent the school board of Juneau, Alaska, in its appeal to the United States Supreme Court in a case brought by a former student, Joseph Frederick. The former student unfurled a banner at a school sponsored event saying “Bong Hits 4 Jesus” as the Olympic torch was passing through Juneau, prior to arriving in Salt Lake City, Utah, for the 2002 Winter Olympics. The board decided to suspend the student. The student then sued and won at the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which stated that the board violated the student’s first amendment right to free speech.[28] On August 28, 2006, Starr filed a writ of certiorari for a hearing with the Supreme Court.[29] On June 21, 2007, in an opinion authored by Chief Justice John G. Roberts, the Court ruled in favor of Starr’s client, finding that “a principal may, consistent with the First Amendment, restrict student speech at a school event, when that speech is reasonably viewed as promoting illegal drug use”.[30]

      Blackwater Security Consulting v. Nordan (No. 06-857) [edit]

      Starr continues to represent Blackwater in a case involving the deaths of four unarmed civilians killed by Blackwater contractors in Fallujah, Iraq, in March 2004.[31]

      California Proposition 8 post-election lawsuits [edit]

      Main article: Lawsuits to overturn Proposition 8

      On December 19, 2008, Proposition 8 supporters named Starr to represent them in post-election lawsuits to be heard by the Supreme Court of California. Opponents of the measure sought to overturn it as a violation of fundamental rights, while supporters sought to invalidate the 18,000 same-sex marriages performed in the state before Proposition 8 passed.[32] Oral arguments took place on March 5, 2009, in San Francisco.

      Starr argued that “Prop. 8 was a modest measure that left the rights of same-sex couples undisturbed under California’s domestic-partner laws and other statutes banning discrimination based on sexual orientation”, to the agreement of most of the judges.[33] The main issue that arose during the oral argument included the meaning of the word “inalienable”, and to which extent this word goes when used in Article I of the Californian Constitution. Christopher Krueger of the attorney general’s office said that inalienable rights may not be stripped away by the initiative process. Starr countered that “rights are important, but they don’t go to structure…rights are ultimately defined by the people”.[34]

      The court ultimately held that the measure was valid and effective, but would not be applied retroactively to marriages performed prior to its enactment.

      Defense of Jeffrey Epstein [edit]

      In 2007 Starr joined the legal team of Palm Beach millionaire Jeffrey Epstein, who was criminally accused of the statutory rape of numerous underaged high school students.[35] Epstein would later plea bargain to plead guilty to several charges of soliciting prostitutes and serve 13 months in a private wing of the Palm Beach jail

  • Guest

    when the people stop bringing back the same old law makers that let Obama do the things he does,things will change but when you belive that it is one party or` the other that is wrong you are wrong it is big money that is in control and the greed of man.

  • vietnamvet1971

    The “Know Nothing” guy in the WH does not want part of his Control & Intimidate Troops sitting around doing “Nothing” like him so he Sics Home Land Security, the EPA, Park Rangers, IRS and uses them for his Bidding against his ENEMIES any one that disagrees with him, what is wrong with that is his attitude.

  • Motov

    I have a better question than “IRS cover-up continues”.

    When has the truth ever been told by this administration?

    We all know if it ever happened, Several members would be making license plates. They may have to deport our “undocumented immigrant” back to Kenya. The Obozo-bots would face shame for supporting the most corrupt and destructive moron to ever set foot on Washington DC. I recommend a 12 step program modeled after AA, and call it “Liberals Anonymous” Starting with the teachers of this nation so we don’t have to de-program our children.

    We do not need “Godzilla Government” to run our lives tyvm.

  • tired of it

    I don’t think people that are in places of power (elected officials, federal employees) should be able to plead the 5th. Especially when their is possible evidence of wrong doing in their work place.