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Iran Threatens To Lock Down Oil Supply Amid Talk Of Sanctions

December 29, 2011 by  

Iran Threatens To Lock Down Oil Supply Amid Talk Of Sanctions

Iranian leaders said Tuesday that if the United States imposes sanctions being set up against their country, it will cut off all oil shipments through the Strait of Hormuz, a vital supply route through which one-fifth of the world’s oil supply is shipped.

According to The New York Times, the declaration was made by Iranian First Vice President Mohammad-Reza Rahimi, as President Barrack Obama prepares to sign legislation that could substantially reduce Iran’s oil revenue to keep the country from pursuing a nuclear weapons program.

The Obama Administration has been working in recent months to put in place a plan to cut off Iran from global energy markets without risking higher fuel prices. The Iranian economy is already weak, and oil exports account for much of the country’s revenues so Iranian officials are worried about the sanctions.

“If they impose sanctions on Iran’s oil exports, then even one drop of oil cannot flow from the Strait of Hormuz,” Rahimi said, according to Iran’s official news agency.

The White House said that the disruption would not be tolerated there is talk that the Obama Administration is working on a plan to keep the supply route open in the event of crisis. Some officials speculate that the latest sanctions are setting the stage for violent confrontation between the United States and Iran.

 

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • Robert Smith

    From the article: “The White House said that the disruption would not be tolerated there is talk that the Obama Administration is working on a plan to keep the supply route open in the event of crisis. Some officials speculate that the latest sanctions are setting the stage for violent confrontation between the United States and Iran.”

    It’s called running a blockaid. If it is in our national interest to do so we have the means to accomplish that.

    If Iran chooses to escalate we have the weapons to overwhelm them in less than an hour.

    The only thing lacking is the will. I think Obama actually has the will to follow through just as Kennedy would have when we had a confrontation at sea with Cuba & Russia.

    Rob

    • Flashy

      Hormuz is international waters. Iran is setting itself outside the Community of Nations. Not just the US, Europe, Japan, heck… the entire global community has deep important interests keeping the Straits open.

      Now, do i believe Iranian officials to be truthful? no. They may be one step from going off the deep end, but they aren’t there as yet. Would we be remiss not to plan for it? Yes. As negligent and remiss as Bush/Cheney in their allowing 9/11 to occur.

      For the posts i expect to be made today about how this administration has let Iran go unfettered in its nuclear program, how we have coddled them throughout … I would ask. What would you have done?

      This admin and Israel (and quite possibly the Brits) have used computer viruses, hacked and crashed the computer systems, key scientists have disappeared turning up seeking asylum in the West or meeting an unfortunate “accident” and we’ve slowly ratched the sanctions harder. On top of that, we have the Arab Spring impacting the internal affairs of Iran. And if y’all don’t think we are active fostering a Spring in Iran…you are not thinking it through and letting unreason overwhelm reason.

      Now we see what the shortsighted Energy Policies of the past have wrought. When Iran goes dirupstive internally…not if, but when … we’re in for a risky ride. Oil.

      For those who would say ‘drill Baby drill” … even if we take massive drugs and leave reality thinking we can produce enough for any length of time to attend to our own needs… what of the rest of the world? They crash…I assure you, we crash.

      Of the Powers, think about it. Who will emerge as the Equal of equals in the 21st Century. It’s a very plan, apparent, easy answer. the Nation that weans itself off of oil dependency. Forget about the theoretical amounts in shale, offshore, on the North Slope. They are not relevant. It’s akin to arguing that the old buick in the driveway can last forever with a tune up, and engine rebuild once in awhile, low mileage driving etc etc. fact is…it’s an old car and on the highways with modern faster, sleeker, more whistles and bells, safer automobiles.

      So you should be asking the right questions…do we want to ride in the slow lane driving a 1980′s Monte Carlo with high miles, heater and A/C on the fritz, and smoke coming out of the tailpipe getting 12 mpg …. or do we want to have that sleek, shiny, fuel efficient, comfortable sedan ?

      Think about it …

      • Robert Smith

        Question asked: “or do we want to have that sleek, shiny, fuel efficient, comfortable sedan ?”

        It’s cheaper for me to rebuild my 2003 30 mpg Vibe (about $3,000) than buy a new car at $20,000. Rebuilding at 175,000 miles includes a catalatic converter, tires, breaks, and a suspension upgrade. I’ve already upgraded the entertainment system for MP3 and IPod inputs along with XM. I navigate with my Droid. What more will I need?

        But, that 40 mpg Honda CRX sure looks pretty.

        But then again, it ain’t a station wagon.

        Rob

        • Sirian

          What more would you need? Just to be safe, a road map and a compass – just saying.

          • Bob M

            For those of you that don’t understand, A compass and roadmap was your grandfather’s GPS system

        • Mutantone

          What I keep missing is why we have to buy Oil from them? they are listed as the 39th industrialized nation, all funded by oil and gas sales. Paid for by the others in the world. The USA oil and gas reserves are still the largest in the world but kowtowing to the Middle East oil is the only way to sponsor the “Arab Spring” and all the radical Muslim agendas in that region with open support and financial aid to the terrorist net works. We stop buying their petroleum and see how fast their friends come to their aid then we go after them economically as well. Most of the refined gasoline is being imported to Iran from other nations at a reduced cost as it is subsidized by the Nations tax payers and being shipped to Iran while our cost sky rocket?

        • Cliffystones

          “What more will I need? ”

          If Iran does go nuclear and launches an EMP attack………..

          Good walking shoes :).

      • Carole H

        Flashy,

        Men with brains are so sexy. I love you. You are a man with foresight.

        Thinking about your question today, I think Germany would come out on top, they are the world’s leaders in alternative energy.

        These people who are so Gung Ho on war with Iran, gee! haven’t they noticed how our wars with Iraq and Afghanistan have taken us down, with the help of crooked banks of course. Iran is many times the size of Iraq and not in as bad of shape either as Iraq and Afghanistan.

        And who would back the Iranians???? Russia? China? Hmmmm…..? European countries?

        Question for the obviously insane fellow who says we could stop them in an hour. Yeah? Really? Why did we spend 10 years in Iraq, they were whipped before we went in there, a little tiny whipped nation held our attention/weapons for 10 fricking, fracking years. And how many years have the Goat Herders in Afghanistan held our attention?

        I hate to be insulting but what a nit wit would think it would all be over in an hour? Can you not see we are suffering here at home already.

        Can we stop a China/Russia/Pakistan/Iran combo in an hour you silly ass? What are you thinking? What are you thinking????? Are we suicidal? What is Obama thinking for God’s sake.

        Then here is another question, if Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Russia and many other countries had Nuclear weapons and we did not, would we allow anyone to stop us from getting one?

        Israel has Nuclear weapons, and with all the damn saber rattling she does and the encroaching on the lands of other nations that she does and the fact she refuses to define her borders, wouldn’t you want a Nuclear weapon yourself for self defense? Seriously? Come on, lets get real. Iran does not have a Nuclear weapon and if she did she would be in a much safer position today and the ME would be more stable, cause Iran’s would check Israel’s. Israel is the major threat in the region, she is the aggressor, she makes war with her neighbors, she steals land and because she will not establish her national borders we can only assume it is because she is out to take more land. No other nation refuses to establish their borders.

        One more fact for the hysterical out there, Pakistan, Russia and China do have Nuclear weapons. Duh? WHAT ARE YOU FREAKS THINKING? So do many other nations who would be against their price of oil rising because of a REALLY stupid war between the USA and Iran.

        I hope and pray that Ron Paul gets the Republican nomination.

        When will the giant stop doing the little midget’s bidding? OMG!

        • Marten, Canadian Libertarian

          I agree with you 100%,right on the money…

          • http://n/a Draper B. Gregory

            Upon reflection, it would be appropriate to consider history that preceded World War II in the 1930s.The past gives us a message. Those who do not recognize this basic principle frankly either do not have intellectual honesty, or have some insidious agenda of their own.

            To dwell on the obvious for the benefit of our lesser-endowed humans, please be reminded that Iran is on record that it wants to DESTROY Israel. Iran’s foreign policy is dominated by a religious element which has an expressed dedication to confront and destroy “infidels”.
            Can the handwriting on the wall be any more plain.

            The people of Germany, Japan and Italy in the past, allowed themselves to be duped and ultimately subjugated, which led to World War II. Whether this was due to apathy or indifference is irrelevant. In this present day, we should remember the admonition that the PRICE OF LIBERTY IS ETERNAL VIGILANCE. The impression I necessarily get from reading the above commentary is that the author thereof is either a native Iranian dedicated to the Iranian left, or else is on the Iranian payroll as a public-relations shill.

          • Vigilant

            Carole H, women without brains are so UNsexy. I could never love you. You are a woman totally devoid of foresight.

            Your rant against Israel is so COMPLETELY devoid of truth. Wouldn’t surprise me if you were a Holocaust denier and anti-Semite.

        • http://naver Samurai

          Who gives a dan about the energy and energy prices? They are out to get the bomb nd will get it someday, if they don’t already have them. They also wish to destroy Israel, Jews, and Christians because according to islam we are all infidels. They even call America the great satan. I think you all need to get off of the energy and your own wallets and look at the bigger picture. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Mark in LA

      What a stupid statement:

      If Iran chooses to escalate we have the weapons to overwhelm them in less than an hour.

      Pray tell Rambo how that can be done with anything but nuclear weapons. You guys are just so psychotic when it come to doing Israel’s dirty work for them.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Ah, another Jew hater I see.

        • Mark in LA

          Yes, we hate Jews if we don’t want to nuke Iran for Israel.

          You are another Isreal firster who thinks that if a million American goys die to save one Jew it would be a bargain.

          • Lee Baldwin

            hey Mark in LA, YOU are giving the entire world more ammo to calls us nuts and fruitcakes! America takes care of it’s allies and Israel is a main one. YOU say you live in LA, so you probabaly have Jewish friends unless your last name is alibaba, so knock it off

          • Mark in LA

            Lee its you who are the fruitcake if you think its rational behavior to nuke Iran for “our ally” Israel. You and the rest of the Israel firsters are what make us look like fruitcakes to the rest of the world and rational Americans when we allow Israel and Jewish money to wag the American dog.

          • http://naver Samurai

            Ah yes, anti-semitism. You sound like a perfect candidate of the Gestapo or SS. Israel is our only real ally in the whole Middle East, so why shouldn’t we support them? Just by Israel existing is saber rattling to the muslims, so what’s your point? Remember, even Jesus will return and defend Israel in the end. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • AzPatriot

        Mark I hope you had fun at the OWS camp in LA. Apparently your mind is still suffering from the effects of that experience. But what can you expect from someone that lives in a leftist state. Doing “Israel’s dirty work????, I can’t believe the ignorance of you Jew haters! Do you really think that Iran will stop with just taking out Israel? Get a grip on reality.

        • Mark in LA

          Let me guess, you are another delusional “Christian” who thinks nuking Iran will hasten the coming of aramageddon?

          • TML

            “Let me guess, you are another delusional “Christian””

            That does seem to be the defining characteristic of those who support war against Iran, doesn’t it?
            Religious Crusader extremeists

          • http://naver Samurai

            You two sound like you are a little touched on the kool aid. A war with Iran will not speed up the coming of Christ. You two sound like a couple of atheist extremists in denial of the truth. Neeeeed to be making the popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        From Mark: “Pray tell Rambo how that can be done with anything but nuclear weapons.”

        A nuclear option should never be off the table. If they want to speak violence we must be prepared to speak violence louder and faster.

        “You guys are just so psychotic when it come to doing Israel’s dirty work for them.”

        How is America needing oil reflect upon Isreal? Quite frankly I think that there brutal god some right wing christians worship pulled a really dumb stunt when Moses settled on the only ground without oil under it. If he’s so smart, how’s that?

        Rob

        • TML

          “A nuclear option should never be off the table. If they want to speak violence we must be prepared to speak violence louder and faster.”

          Uh… we are placing sanctions on Iran to hinder their economy financially (brought on as a preemptive despotism out of ungrounded fear that they will create a nuclear weapon), and in return they threaten to shut off oil supply lines, and then we talk about (forcibly) keeping that from happening… and even you say we should not take the nuclear option off the table… and you think it’s Iran who speaks violence? You should wake up and smell the sh*t your shoveling.

        • Carole H

          OMG! Robert, you have not read of the plans for the USA and Canada to become major oil exporters? If we can do that, we do not need their oil. However, I like Flashy idea, it is cleaner and cheaper in the long run, and that is the direction the rest of the world is going in.

          You are sure to make us a 3rd world nation. Already there are 3rd world nations with higher infant survivor rates than we have. We are falling behind, far behind and it is because of our ‘Warmongering’.

          How you must hate us, how you wish us to fail, how you want the rest of the world to hate us. The Germans and the Japanese must giggling about now, eh?

          And BTW just if a person does not agree with Israel, that does not make them a Jew hater, silly, there are many American Jews who do not agree with Israel’s foreign policy. MANY.

          • eric siverson

            There are even many Israeli Jews that do not agree with Israel. Non the less I agree with Israel ,even the Egyptian muslim brotherhood agrees with Israel about Iran . Most sunni countries are happy Israel has the atom bomb rather than Iran .Somebody has been stopping Irans nuculear enrichment program by devious means , I think its just fine . I really don’t like sanctions like we put against Iraq becuase the wrong people suffer . I don’t know what if anything we should do against Iran . I don’t believe we benefitted ourselves or the Iraqi people by getting rid of Saddam . we definately damaged the Iraqi Christians more than anyone else . Since we took over more Christians have been eliminated from Iraq than all the people killed in both wars and including all the people Saddam had killed before the wars. United States wars against Iraq should better be called a anti-christian War . Seems to me Israel destroyed Iraqs nuclear program in a couple of days, I think they ended Syria’s nuclear program in one day. I know the world will cry foul but Israel may feel it is worth a little critizism to prevent suscide bombers from bombing with nuclear weapons .

        • http://naver Samurai

          SSDD eh Rob? Have you written that check yet? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://WAR Dave

      WAR WAR WAR that is great for ISLAM . LOOK how these people that call them self Christian want to KILL people, and want WAR! Iran is not a threat to Israel or the United Stated. Even with a Nuke they wouldn’t stand a chance against Israels 330 Nukes. LOOK at the Big Picture” IRAQ is on one side of their country, Afghanistan is on the other MMM… and in 2001 Bush call them axis of evil. Pakistan has a nuke and the US leaves them alone MMM… We go into Afghanistan and eliminate all Christian Churches, and Iraq and almost totally eliminate Christianity. The DEFENCE department bought up bibles and destroyed them and bought Korans and handed them out in Afganistan. This is a GAG I am not sure why people that call themselves Christian want to go to war and kill people to destroy Christianity?

      • Carole H

        Ah! look Dave is another sexy man with thinking skills, he has pointed out we have Iran surrounded. We have frightened them into wanting a Nuclear weapon.

        Who was it awhile back who said we were going to ‘restart’ the Nuclear arms race, they are proven right.

        We are the threat. Not Iran, compare our histories, it is the USA that preys/ upon tiny little nations. How UGLY we are becoming, and look at the loonies who advocate us using our Nuclear weapons, don’t they know that if we use one against anyone, use just one and we could very easily be Nuking ourselves and our allies? Who will stand with us if we go Nuclear?

        Are your lives so boring that you wish for chaos, do you know what it is to starve? You do not know what you are asking for, we will learn what it is to go hungry and homeless.We will bring real suffering to ourselves and the rest of the world.

        Insanity.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Patrick Corrigan

      Well okay, I say bring it! Let’s dance.

    • eric siverson

      Yes I agree Obama may have the will and again you are right we do have the means . I think it all depends on Russia and Chinia . You may not recall NATOs war against Yugoslavia , This is where we really humilated both Russia and Chinia . This all happend right at the time the Soviet Union fell apart and the United States was the lone stupid power . I think we made super mistakes and showed a degree of arrogance towards these two countries that have been impossible for them to forget . First of all we shot a bomb into the chinese embacey and killed a few chinese . Bill Clinton said this was a accident, but the Chinese found out he lied and it was done on purpose. The Chines recently mentioned this act and said they have not forgotten or forgiven this deed . As for the Russians it was even worse . Yeltsin negotated with Milosvic by promising Russian troops would protect the Orthadox Christians under U.N. resolution 1244 if the Serb army would pull out of Kosovo . U.S. general Wesley Clark the commander of all NATO forces issued orders to shoot the Russian soldiers . Yeltsin’s failure to protect the Orthadox Christians in Yugoslavia alarmed a famous Orthadox Christian Aleksander Solzhenitsyn . He decided to replace Yeltsin’s new democracy with Putin a man he deemed tough enough to strengthen Russia ,militarly , economicaly and religiously .Aleksander Solzhenitsyn died a happy man . As the Russian bear faced NATO down in the black sea in 2008 . Russia and Chinia were forced to befriend Iran after what happend to them in Yugoslavia . Russia has good relations with Iran and has been encouraging Iran not to develope nuculear weapons . None the less they may still want to show the world they have now developed a bunch of new great weapons too .

  • Sirian

    The sanctions could have a definite effect on the money supply from oil that Iran is fully dependent on to prop up its proxies as well as their pursuit of achieving a nuclear weapon. But we must also understand that they will go to any presumed length, extreme included, if the sanctions are levied, to trigger a war with us. The game is in full play and the winner is yet unknown. So, are we to worry with what effect this may have on the market prices of oil or if it may trigger a reversal of reaction by the people of Iran and ensue a swell of supporters for their insane leadership? The answer to that remains outside for the time being. Their willy nilly bolstering of naval power is laughable. It would be very amusing to see a surprise attack on one of our carrier groups with their speed boat gun ships. The end result is obvious. All we can do for the moment is sit back and hope for the best. Are we being intentionally set up for a war with Iran via the reactions to the sanctions or will it help hold them at bay and allow another civil uprising against the idiots in power? I’d much prefer the latter. What’s your take on this touchy situation?

    • Mark in LA

      Sea skimming anti-ship missles have been around for decades as well as cruise missiles of the same type. They can buy them from Russia or China. They may even make them in Iran by now. We are being set up for war by idiots in our government doing AIPACs bidding with the help of the press creating hysteria over nothing. Pakistan already has nuclear weapopns and they aren’t interested in attaking everybody because “they are Islamic fundamentalists and not afraid to die”.

      One more thing money isn’t real. Stopping them getting money from abroad will do nothing to stop their nuclear program, it will only accelerate it. Iran has the raw materials to feed their nuclear program all it needs is Iranians willing to work on it which they will have in abundance in response to this. After India exploded it bomb, the prime minister of even poorer Pakistan told his generals – “I don’t care if we have to eat grass for the next 20 years, Pakistan will have a bomb”. Guess what he was right.

    • eddie47d

      Which begs the question why did we ever allow India to have the bomb? All it did was give Pakistan a reason to build their own. The good thing is that neither country has threatened to use them against each other and they are bitter enemies. So does allowing a country to arm themselves with nukes make them more “civilized” towards each other? Would allowing Iran to have nukes make them less afraid of Israel or more willing to take them on?

      • Flashy

        How did India get the bomb? Ummm..a highly trained civilian force, Techno 3rd world emergence, modern facilities, a ton of the resources needed, and a high school physics book. That and Pakistan was not so secretly working on building one.

        • Mark in LA

          An undergraduate at Princeton (I believe) designed a crude nuclear bomb for his graduation project over a decade ago. The faculty deemed it workable. The technology is 65 years old. Anybody with access to fissionable material can make a bomb. Iran has uranium. It is stupid to pretend that we can stop them if they want to build a bomb. All this posturing by idiots who presume themselves armchair generals is just such a joke. They listen to stupid stories of Buck Rodgers type weapons like bunker busters and think we have some secret weapon that can stop anybody. They don’t realize that any bunker buster can only destroy something so deep. The Iranians can always build their facilities even deeper. The amount of energy need to go deeper and deeper goes up exponentially till you reach a point that the bomb cannot be delivered by any aircraft or rocket. We have a facility in Colorado deemed untouchable even in the event of nuclear war because it is built deep into a granite mountain. Iran can do the same thing if they have the will to.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Mark LA and eddie

            Any high scool physic student Build an Atomic Bomb!
            Instructions for building an atomic bomb at home. … We will see how easy it is to make a device of your very own in ten easy steps, to have and hold as you see …
            http://home.earthlink.net/~enigmaep/annihilation/buildabomb.html – Cached

        • eddie47d

          That would be Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado Springs.

    • TML

      “But we must also understand that they will go to any presumed length, extreme included, if the sanctions are levied, to trigger a war with us.”

      Are we not the ones responsible for triggering a war with them by levying sanctions against them which are designed to criple their economy financially?

      Lets put the blame where it’s due

      • Carole H

        Thank you TML, you are right.

        • http://naver Samurai

          If their economy is crippled, then they have no money. If they have no money, they can’t buy arms or things needed for a nuclear program. If they have no money, then they can’t pay their military. If they can’t pay their military, they won’t fight for free. They won’t be able to eat, pay bills, support their families, etc. Ergo, no shooting, no blood, and everything would be brought to the talks table to remove the sanctions placed on them. No invading, bombing, deploying troops, etc. Kind of like a siege. Usually the one’s under siege are the ones that buckle under the pressure. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • TML

            You are putting the cart before the horse… what justifies these sanctions? What justifies preemptively laying “siege” upon Iran in the first place?

            I think you have just proven 2 of my points… 1.) We are the aggressors 2.) Only the Religious Crusader Extremists, such as you, support such preemptive war.

            And I must say, you make me sick the way you talk about depriving innocent families of food and the means of support… you are the worst sort of religious nut out there. You are no better than the Muslim extremists you seek to destroy.

            YOU are part of the problem!

          • Mark in LA

            Don’t you understand the difference between money and real things? Real things are like food, water, and natural resources. This coupled with work produces other real things. Money is a tool of exchange of these things. Without money things still can go one. Farmers can still grow crops and steel workers can still make steel provided everything they need is in Iran or can be traded for with things Iran has that people who don’t give a damn about our stupid sanctions want.

            You can’t stop them. We had sanctions on Pakistan when we learned they were building a bomb and they went right ahead and built one anyway and Pakistan is far poorer and more poorly educated than Iran. But go ahead believe in your nonsense.

          • http://naver Samurai

            I understand what you said Mark and the history you have posted. Well said. TML, I’m not asking for war, but for a deterrant to war. Unlike you, I’ve served this nation and have taken lives to protect it and you. So knock off the rhetoric, lies, and innuendo from the lib left. Rants get you no where in this world or in debate. My wife will tell you that I only believe war to be a last resort or in cases of defense. Since Iran can’t send its military here to fight, there is no defense problem. Now if they attack our troops in Iraq or Afghanistan, that would call for the shooting to start. People like you TML are what is wrong with this country. You like keeping people divided into groups, instead of them coming together for a common cause. Enough said! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Robert Button

    First thank you again Jimmy Carter for helping the ayatollahs in taking one of our best allies in the east away from the Shaw. Second, thanks to the extreme leftist in this country, masquerading as environmentalists, in stopping us over the last half century from developing our own massive Oil, and Gas reserves. Then last but not the least, thank you Obama, Salazar, Clinton, Reid, and company for fighting tooth, and nail to keep us from getting Oil from our friendly democracy to the north, Canada.

    • Falcon

      That’s not oil though, there is a reason they call it “tar sand” and we really don’t need it. Too much refining overhead for too little return.

      • Lastmanstanding

        The amount of huge oil producing equipment moving from the west coast thru the rocky mt states to Canada( for several years) indicates that you are extremely wrong…big oil does not do this for fun…they do it because they will make a huge profit over the long term.

        i have seen this first hand…do some research before making an assinine comment that suits your political views.

      • Lee Baldwin

        look up BAKKEN and stop the whining. America has huge oil reserves, but how b=can we take over the world unless we exhaust the saudi oil reserves? think about that. You and I are pawns that buy the oil that the oil companmies don’t sell to China right now. Our president has done NOTHING to help value the DOLLAR to where it should be, so our gasline costs are based on a weak dollar. the ONLY thing the tar-sand
        project could bring is temporary jobs, not cheaper gasoline

      • eric siverson

        T a r oil is only comparable to 59 dollar oil any price lower than 59 dollars and your better off buying oil and quit taking out of sand .

    • Robert Smith

      From Robert: “First thank you again Jimmy Carter for helping the ayatollahs in taking one of our best allies in the east away from the Shaw.”

      Jimmy Carter didn’t take anything from the Shaw. The Shaw of Iran was dying of cancer.

      It was the Reagan team that undermined Carter so the extreme right could win the election. Then they allowed that religious nut to take charge so Reagan could take credit for getting the hostages back.

      Rob

      • Capitalist at Birth

        You have too much time on your hands. I suggest, that it has allowed your imagination to run wild.

        • Flashy

          CB…That the Reagan team did not work with the Ayatollah to bring down Carter and reagan winning the election would be somewhat believable except …remember the birthday cake and Reagan authorizing trading with arms etc with the Iranians, his actions directly in violation of the law? And what about those depositions Weinberger and Bush I promised to give once the ’88 election cycle was over with…oh, yeah…right….ended up they didn’t give any sworn testimony despite their previous promises. And….did we issue any further sanctyions against Iran during those 12 years?

          • http://naver Samurai

            Is that as bad as Clinton and his administration selling computers and high tech software to North Korea and China when it was against our trade laws? Now since they did that, North Korea has nuclear missile capability and China has ypgraded their missile systems to be as good as ours, maybe even surpassing ours in some areas. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Mark in LA

      More of the type of stupidity that keeps us sticking our noses in places it doesn’t beling and keeps us proping up dictators until the local people hate us. The Shaw was going out one way or another. The Air Force had already changed sides and the rest of the military followed. Once he lost the military, there was no way he could keep power unless the US invaded. Even the CIA likely knew the game was over. Carter was probably warned and his big mistake was not to remove the embassy staff. But like a lot of Americans, he thought nobody should be mad at us or do anything to us for our past discressions. At that point all you can do is sit back and hope the new leaders will work with you. If we hadn’t put the Shaw in power in 1953, we might not have been in the situation in 1979.

      • Robert Smith

        Yup, the religious nuts would have been in that much sooner.

        The fact is that the Shaw had over 10,000 students in America learning about anything that could be learned in an American college. Had those students been able to return and do business with America Iran would have been a long term friend.

        Sadly the religious nuts didn’t want those kids to return so we wound up with a bunch of very smart cab drivers.

        Rop

    • eddie47d

      No less asinine than Robert Buttons right wing diatribe to suit his political view. .

    • Carole H

      Oh! but Robert Button, you have not read all that Flashy had to say earlier, and if Jimmy Carter had had his way, we would be less oil dependent today. You are another that wants to spend more money to get what alternative energy would give us at a cheaper price in the long run and provide more PERMANENT jobs in the long run, jobs that could not be outsourced.

      Why Oh! Why are so many people so stubbornly for keeping us using last century’s technology, why?

  • ken

    With obama at the helm, it is very scary, this would play into his socialism plan, this would create havac here and then he could force people to accept his terms. God help us as this has been in the works for some time, why did he so quickly deny the keystone project? Your liberty is at stake!!!

    • Robert Smith

      Actually prices at the pump are down about 20% from the Bush peaks.

      Rob

      • http://HOTMAIL Trainman

        This is to Robert Smith…. I wish you would get atleast one fact right before you post on ANY site.. The oil from Canada is called Shell Oil (not the company) and ALL oil has tar in it, just where do you think tar comes from??? The oil from Canada is in sand which just takes one more process which Canada is doing before it’s shipped. I guess if you were around in the 1800′s you’d have said any oil is dirty and we don’t need it, please move out of the stone age pal..

        And about Reagan and Carter, Carter did a blunder of a job of getting our people (100′s) that were taken from our embasy and was holding them as hustages for over a year, course that was just one of Carters stupid moves while president.. He did so many dumb things in office and that’s why he wasn’t re-elected. The Iranians were deathly afraid of what Reagan would do and so they released all that were held captive. Reagan prommised while running for President that he’d get our people back one way or another, and another ment war. Reagan didn’t play games, HE MEANT WHAT HE SAID.. AND SAID WHAT HE MEANT!

        • Mark in LA

          Like when he got those Marines in Beirut killed becasue the Russians thrteatened to go in and Reagan was too stupid and took the bait and sent our guys in to keep the Russians out. After they got killed old tough guy himself pulled them out because “he meant what he said” right? You guys and your Reagan myths are the ones out of touch with reality.

          • Lee Baldwin

            that OWS campout really brainwashed your little head didn’t it, Mark in LA!!! Now go back to your BONG and quit thinking about your fantasies.

          • Carole H

            Mark in LA,

            These people forget Reagan made a deal with the Iranians before the Election, ‘OCTOBER SURPRISE’ They also seem to forget that the Gipper said “We do not negotiate with terrorists” Remember that line, then please all you Reagan worshipers, remember IRAN/CONTRA

            And it seems many of these same people did not read the books/and or statements of these same Kidnapped after they were released.

          • http://naver Samurai

            You keep talking about October Surprise a lot there Carol. Care to cite a source for us or is this just more lib nonsense? Talking about not dealing with terrorists, how about Billy Carter’s dealing with Quadafi? He was a terrorist, wasn’t he? Why would the brother of the president deal our secrets to one of our enemies at the time? That did more harm to our nation then Iran/Contra. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Flashy

          LOL…too funny. i used to rank reagan as the worst of the Presidencies…then came Bush II and set the standard so low I fervently hope we never see another like him.

          Reagan began the war on the Middle Class…and carried the flag against it with vigor. When he could remember anything that is …

          • Lee Baldwin

            Obviously ‘Flashy’ can’t remember much either! It was Franklin D. Roosevelt that started the war on the middle class.

          • Lee Baldwin

            Obviously ‘Flashy’ can’t remember much either! It was Franklin D. Roosevelt that started the war on the middle class. This forum just may be censored telling me I have made a duplicate comment & THIS is the fiorst time I have even typed the words Franklin D. Roosevelt!!!

          • Mark in LA

            Lee the same thing that happened in the 2000s happened in the 1920s, the wealth was getting more and more concentrated as the ability of people to get decent wages was being destroyed. These were policies that mirror each other. Reagan used illegal immigration and guest workers to break unions. The massive immigration starting in the 1890s was used to break the labor movement getting started then.

            The end result was massive concentration of wealth and with it the money no longer flowed as it does in a healthy economy. FDR made unions his highest priority. They did more to make the middle class than anything anybody did. The idea that FDR started a war on the middle class is just too stupid to even laugh at. FDR was considered a traitor to his class and there was that little coup the moneyed class tried to put together using Smedley Butler. Because it involved all the moneyed power brokers in the US it was kept quiet and the traitors were never brought to trial.

        • Nancy from Nebraska

          Trainman, you’re the one who needs to get your facts right. The oil being shipped from Canada is called “tar sands oil”. It is not regular oil. It is a very thick sludge. It has to be thinned down with toxic chemicals to even get it to flow through the pipes. Again, this is not like the oil that is usually pumped up. They are also running a huge oil operation out of North Dakota. I’ve heard speculation that the amount of oil that lies underneath Canada and North Dakota is so vast that in the future we wouldn’t need Mideast oil. I’m not sure about that though.

          • Mark in LA

            Nancy it is a hugh deposit but it is not cheap oil to get. It lies in a very narrow section of the earth’s crust. Therefore, expensive techniques like horizontal drilling and fracking are needed to get it out. It will do nothing to lower the price of oil. It only means we are not able to be blackmailed by oil producing countries.

      • http://HOTMAIL Trainman

        Also Robert gas prices ARE NOT 20% lower then the highest when Bush was in office. Gas was $2.65 (national average)at the highest whike Bush was in office and that was in 2007. Gas right now (even though it has come down a bit) is still over $3.00 a gallon, again this is national average.. I have to say this again… you really should get your facts right before you post something..

        • AzPatriot

          You have to excuse the leftist idiots trainman, remember as a great man once said they “know so much that just isn’t so”. You must remember how a leftist mind works. To be a leftist is to be superior in your own mind…

        • rockiey57

          @ trainman; you must have been sleeping through ’07 and ’08 when gas was between $3.65 and $5.25 per gallon. Also at the end of the month just before SS checks were issued gas would raise $.10 to $.25 per gallon. I have my receipts from then. Right now gas here is $2.99 per gallon the lowest it has been since 2005.

        • eddie47d

          So much for your “leftist idiots” right AZ Patriot!

        • Robert Smith

          Hey Trainman, talking about facts…

          What crazy source do you have?

          Gas was well over $4.00 during the later Bush years. Don’t you remember the strategically placed gas hose in the stick figure?

          Don’t you remember the “Thank You George Bush” stickers that were put on pumps?

          Rob

        • Carole H

          Trainman,
          Then why do I remember paying over $4. a gallon there for a while? I remember quite well. It hurt the economy in many places it was so high. Oh! I know it was not that high for the whole 8 years he was in office, but we were hurt by those incredible prices for quite sometime.

    • http://personalliberty larry kemp

      I think it’s time for all the people to come together and clean out the white house and get rid of all the rats. we do not need to except his terms.
      we are still free so far, but if we don’t get obummer out of the white house we can kiss our ass goodbye.

  • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

    We need to understand something here – Iran is among the few remaining nations without a private central bank run by the Rothschild Plutocracy – Afghanistan, Iraq & Libya were on that list. For this reason anything stated by the Rothschild dominated media must be viewed with no small skepticism.

    Provocations have been underway trying to get Iran to respond as a pretext for outright overt war – just as FDR went out of his way to provoke Japan. Just because the controlled media is not covering it does not mean that it is not happening.

    It is wise to be skeptical of what we are hearing – lies only have power when people beLIEve them.

    • Sirian

      If people believe more than twenty percent (if even that) of what the MSM spits out then yes, we are doomed for sure.

    • Lastmanstanding

      Gold star to you Mark!…It has been a pattern since Lincoln…use anything but our worthless paper and we will kill you…

      think about this…greece had to forfeit all of their gold reserves because their lazy, unproductive lifestyle caught up with them…150 or so metric tons of gold…where did it go? Libya…all oil world wide must be purchased with USD…Mommar K. said “not me, gold dinars” for ours…so he was killed and all his gold was taken (est 150 metric tonnes)

      300 metric tons of gold…were did it go? and you wonder why pms are being attacked every day…they want you to sell yours so they can buy it with worthless paper that is on it last legs…for next to nothing…hoping to control all of us who want to be free once and for all.

      But hey…that really thin…

    • http://naver Samurai

      One reason people think Lybia was bombed was because he was going to scrap his paper money for gold dinars. This would have devalued the euro and the dollar, making it harder to buy oil. The Rothchilds and Bilderbergs must not have liked that. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Carole H

        Samurai,

        You asked for my sources, there is a book called ‘October Surprise’ the facts of it came out during the IRAN/CONTRA hearings. There are many other sources also. The Last Circle is another one. In that book you will find many references to several other books.

        No you are wrong, IRAN/CONTRA did much more damage to this country than anything Carter ever did. Crack Cocaine was sold in the black communities to raise money for the Contras, this drug spread into White communities latter. Many families were harmed by this. American military technology was sold to Iran illegally also to fund the Contras. According to The New York Times, the United States supplied the following arms to Iran:

        August 20, 1985. 96 TOW anti-tank missiles
        September 14, 1985. 408 more TOWs
        November 24, 1985. 18 Hawk anti-aircraft missiles
        February 17, 1986. 500 TOWs
        February 27, 1986. 500 TOWs
        May 24, 1986. 508 TOWs, 240 Hawk spare parts
        August 4, 1986. More Hawk spares
        October 28, 1986. 500 TOWs

        First arms sale

        On August 20, 1985, Israel sent 96 American-made BGM-71 TOW antitank missiles to Iran through an arms dealer named Manucher Ghorbanifar, a friend of Iran’s Prime Minister, Mir-Hossein Mousavi. Hours after receiving the weapons, the Islamic fundamentalist group Islamic Jihad (that later evolved into Hezbollah) released one hostage they had been holding in Lebanon, the Reverend Benjamin Weir.
        Arrow Air 1285 crash
        Main article: Arrow Air Flight 1285

        After a botched delivery of Hawk missiles, and a failed London meeting between McFarlane and Manucher Ghorbanifar, Arrow Air Flight 1285, a plane containing 248 American servicemen, crashed in Newfoundland on December 12, 1985, killing all people aboard. On the day of the crash, responsibility was claimed by the Islamic Jihad Organization, a wing of Hezbollah that had taken credit for the kidnapping of the very Americans in Lebanon whom the Reagan administration sought to have released. Reagan’s actions cause 3 more hostages to be taken,Frank Reed,Joseph Ciccipio and Edward Tracy.

        The Senate and the American people were lied to, our Constitution was subverted. Our National laws were broken, remember the Boland Amendment? International laws with broken, one example was when the Nicaraguan harbors were mined. We even sunk ships that belonged to our allies.

        I never believed Reagan had Alzheimer disease, I thought he faked it to keep from being indicted, he was an actor. Remember how many times he said he did not recall. He set a precedent, cause ever since there have been many political criminals have used that same excuse.

        No, no, no, Carter never did anything this damaging to our nation.

        • Mark in LA

          Reagan did have Alzheimer’s. Reagan was little more than a ventriloquist dummy for the bankers, corporations, and military industrial complex. Every one of his press conferences was practiced and staged managed so there would be no time for qustions that weren’t rehearsed. He was just doing his bit as TV pitchman like he did for GE.

          I remember reading a column in the Washington Post about how people wrote in and got so mad at them when they tried to make Reagan answer unrehearsed questions and he looked like a befuddled old fool. The Post stopped doing it because readership was decining and Reagan was popular personally.

  • Falcon

    The solution is pretty simple. Start sending the tankers to Venezuela, instead of the other side of the world, while building a pipeline from Venezuela, where you can fill up your gas guzzling SUV for well under $10.

    • Sirian

      Falcon, you make about as much sense as a three dollar bill.

      • Lastmanstanding

        is barry’s picture on your $3 bill? he is on my $000 and my $1,000,000,000 ones…

        • Lee Baldwin

          Yes, little Barry has his ugly mug on my million dollar bills as well.

    • Robert Smith

      It’s good to do business there: “For nearly 30 years, Citizens Energy has provided senior citizens and low-income families with affordable fuel oil, gas, electricity, pharmaceutical drugs, and other basic necessities. Citgo Petroleum is a US company owned by the people of Venezuela. The oil it provides to Citizens Energy, the nonprofit that I lead, acts as a safety net for hundreds of thousands.”

      That’s from: http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1224-21.htm

      Rob

    • Flashy

      Ummm and that do0es just what exactly in regards to the other countries who rely upon oil flowing through those straights?

      oh wait…since most of the wealth would be concentrated in the US, we’d be considered the “job creators” fior the world at large. So…how does that work when the world cannot afford to buy our goods? it’s the standard GOP line fighting any fair share contributions to our society…so explain exactly how that would work…

      • Lee Baldwin

        what ‘goods’ are those, Flashy??????

    • eddie47d

      Gas is .08 a gallon in Venezuela so they would and are a cheaper trading partner.

      • Flashy

        Uh huh …let’s send our money to hugo instead of a shiekdom. It’s still sending our money out. Anyone care to think where we would be today if we were literally off of the oil dependency? Egads….the Roman Empire would look like a piker …

        but listening to the party of No (GOP), it’s good we drove our nation to third world status and want to make such permanent. That way the wealthy can realize the dream of fiefdoms and have the rest of us as serfs doing their bidding…

      • Lee Baldwin

        So Eddie, we should AGAIN go to bed with a COMMUNIST DICTATOR? His name is Hugo Chavez and he HATES AMERICA or have you not heard that?

        • Flashy

          lee…hugo doesn’t hate Us. He has no love for the politcial class that tried to foment a coup against him as well as tried to knock him off. When Katrina hit, we were so ill prepared after Cheney/Bush raped FEMA that both Cuba and Venezula offered to send in aid and assistance. When the price of heating oil went sky high under Cheney/Bush, they did nothing when winter hit hard….Venezula’s oil company’s American subsidiary, CITGO, came in and supplied cheap heating oil to the elderly and poor.

          Had Bush/Cheney not aligned the US with the wealthy classes in Venezula and tried to oust a duly elected government…who knows what hugo would be seen as today.

      • Mark in LA

        Eddie that is likely a subsidized price probably only available to Venezeulan citizens. I was in Bolivia and gas was 50 cents a gallon to Bolivians and foreigners paid a surcharge to world price levels. I am not against that, Bolivia can do what it wants, but lets not pretend gas is really that cheap anywhere or would be exported for 8 cents X 42 gallons a barrel.

        • Mark in LA

          Sorry, they are metric – I meant 50 cents a liter. Still less than 2 dollars a gallon.

    • Sirian

      OK, let me clarify things a bit for you Falcon. Your simple solution would not in reality be simple in the least. First, sending tankers to Venezuela for oil instead of Iran, HA, we already are. Have been for quite some time. What oil companies initiated the fields in Venezuela to begin with? The oil market is the oil market and oil is bought from various different sources world wide. The basic daily established market price is the prime controller in what we pay at the pump even though there are various influences in the markets to make the final determination. Second, building a pipeline from Venezuela up through Central America (Panama, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala) and Mexico would run extremely beyond the overall design, construction, control and security systems/manpower costs than the Keystone Pipeline from Canada and the all terrible Alaskan Pipeline combined. Nations involved would have to come to regional diplomatic agreements and have binding contracts in place before one inch of a pipeline could be laid. You’d be looking at a project of that scale running probably in the range of 500 Billion to 1 Trillion dollars, if not more. Initial total construction cost estimates will not be as pleasing as expected. Besides, it would surely be a new environmentalists playground for sure. Finally, gas may be lower in Venezuela than here, not much, but that too is controlled by the socialistic/totalitarian whims of Chavez. Oh, almost forgot, Venezuela has established very close ties with Iran and are providing both gasoline and uranium to their new foreign buddy – you didn’t obviously know that – plus allowing Iran to build military bases there also. Now then, you need to understand that once a pipeline had been built across seven different countries each one of those would be charging an agreed to set amount for allowing the oil to be transferred through. Commonly termed “surcharges”. Whatever it may tally out to may be considered a meager amount but when you crack open your calculator and start adding things up it will be more disturbing than you may expect. This of course will be figured into the cost of the oil at the end, refined or otherwise. So, as you may see, I pray, what you had said in a realistic sense, didn’t make any more sense than a three dollar bill.

  • http://Boblivingston Gottaplenty

    Then again , if we can get a big bad war started just before election we could postpone elections…Obomma strategy…

    • Robert Smith

      Actually the same thhing was said about Bush near the end of his term.

      It didn’t work out for Bush and such a plan wouldn’t work for Obama.

      Besides, Obama is going to win the election easily as long as clowns like Gingrich think they should be president.

      Rob

      • Mark in LA

        Remember Clinton was going to declare marshall law in response to Y2K. I even won a bet on that nonsense. People who listen to this are really too stupid to live. If George Washington voluntarily walked out of the job, how does anybody in their right mind think some lessor animal would be allowed to pull it off? It is amazing what people who hate somebody will think about them.

      • http://naver Samurai

        What? Obama bin Laden win the election easily? How is that possible when so many democrats have fallen away from him? I think you’ve been smoking too much of your weed Rob. If Ron Paul wins the nomination, Obama bin Laden will be defeated. If Sarah Palin decided to run, not saying she is, she would beat Obama bin Laden hands down. She has a larger following than Obama bin Laden. Neeeeed to be making that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Carole H

          Samurai, Ron Paul maybe, Palin never ever, did you ever hear her when she was prank called by a Canadian radio station, pretended she was being called by the President of France. Listen to that call and just imagine her as President of the USA. You can still hear it here….

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/01/masked-avengers-prank-cal_n_140023.html

          That woman is so…not qualified.

          • http://naver Samurai

            I don’t believe anything that is posted by Huffington, its far to left to be believeable. Second, like you said, she “pretended” to be doing something. This means she knew what the caller was doing and was joking back at him/her. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • dave

    Flip Flop on the subject because you guys think it’s a campaign ploy or something to better Obama’s standing. If nothing is done it just gets worse reaction from here. This is what Romney would do and most other candidates agree.

    • Flashy

      Santorum was on Morning Joe today. The question was brought up about Iran and then the follow up about the latest concerning Straits of Hormuz.

      He stammered and came out with a glib ‘it wouldn’t have happened had we been tougher in the past” … yet not detailing what he meant by “being tough”.

      Fact is…we’re suffering from the damage done by Bush’s War in Iraq, Cheney’s Secret behind closed doors Energy Policy, screwed up diplomacy, and right wing ideology put forth as actual policy. heck…we can’t even complain about dissidents being tortured by another country in a clamp down anymore (ala’ Syria) since we had torture as officially sanctioned policy for eight years. Y’all like this bed the GOP and the Wacked Right has made for us?

      • http://naver Samurai

        Cheney, baaaaa! Bush, baaaaa! Wars, baaaaa! Chaaaaange! Can’t you sheeple ever quit blaming Bush and put the blame where it belongs at the feet of the COOTUS? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Carole H

          Samurai,

          You sound like a NeoCon bot, you are in total denial, Bush did come before Obama, remember? Or maybe you are a Lush Scumball ditto head.

          You acting like Bush/Cheney did no wrong makes you lose ALL credibility.

          • http://naver Samurai

            I am no neocon. I just believe in putting the blame at the current president. Remember Bush is not the president now Obama bin Laden is. I didn’t say any president did nothing wrong, but it is time to stop bashing Bush. For these are the tactics of the left wing extremists that care little for this country. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            P.S. Maybe you are also a sheeple being sheard by the current administration?

    • eddie47d

      I wonder what the Right now thinks about Bush sending detainees to Syria to be tortured now that Assad is killing it’s own people. Then again Bush sent detainees to Egypt to be tortured too by their secret police. Evil knows no party boundaries but those torturers meant we were consorting with and encouraging their governments policies.

      • Flashy

        Not much we can say Eddie when we had torture as an official policy during the Bush/Cheney years.

  • http://none Bill Cook

    I see a lot of left wing retoric here but no one seems willing to admit that our energy needs have been ignored for years.We have enough oil in the ground in America to fuel the World for many many years if not decades.Get busy and get it out where we can put it to good use!!!!!!!!!!

  • Mark in LA

    What will happen when the Iranians sink massive barges at the main chokepoints of the straits of Hormuz. Do you really think there is anything that can be done to stop it?

    Nuclear war is not really an option unless we want to finally let the whole world know that it is the US and not the USSR that is the real evil empire. Do you want a draft so that the necessay 500,000 troops and 1 years training for an invasion are available.

  • Ronbo

    “Another war!”, Cheer the 1%. It is the poor who die when the rich wage war. And to Bill Cook… join the military if you are so set on killing. But please, keep it to yourself. We only create enemys when we kill. Al-Queda was only 100 strong before we began the last war. Now, the 1% report that there are terrorists behind every tree, in every shoe, in every cupcake.

    • Carole H

      Ronbo,

      Here is some info to back up what you say about al Qaeda….

      Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

      Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.

      –60 Minutes (5/12/96)

      Then-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright’s quote, calmly asserting that U.S. policy objectives were worth the sacrifice of half a million Arab children, has been much quoted in the Arabic press. It’s also been cited in the United States in alternative commentary on the September 11 attacks (e.g., Alexander Cockburn, New York Press, 9/26/01).

      But a Dow Jones search of mainstream news sources since September 11 turns up only one reference to the quote–in an op-ed in the Orange Country Register (9/16/01). This omission is striking, given the major role that Iraq sanctions play in the ideology of archenemy Osama bin Laden; his recruitment video features pictures of Iraqi babies wasting away from malnutrition and lack of medicine (New York Daily News, 9/28/01). The inference that Albright and the terrorists may have shared a common rationale–a belief that the deaths of thousands of innocents are a price worth paying to achieve one’s political ends–does not seem to be one that can be made in U.S. mass media.

      • http://naver Samurai

        Many of those children died due to the ploicies of Saddam Hussein and not the U.S. Sheesh! You are so unpatriotic that I wonder if you are really an American. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Carole H

          Nope Samurai, you are wrong again, that is the crap that was put out by the MSM.

          In fact, oil-for-food money is administered by the U.N., and disbursed directly from a U.S. bank account to foreign suppliers, so direct misappropriation of funds is impossible. Allegations about misappropriation of goods on the other end have repeatedly been denied by U.N. officials administering the program in Iraq (e.g. Denis Halliday, press release, 9/20/99), a fact that has garnered virtually no media coverage (Extra!, 3-4/00).

          Really the MSM is just not a reliable source of information, you should know that by now.

        • TML

          “I accept the definition of patriotism as that effort to resist oppressive state power. The true patriot is motivated by a sense of responsibility, and out of self interest — for himself, his family, and the future of his country — to resist government abuse of power. He rejects the notion that patriotism means obedience to the state.”

  • Capitalist at Birth

    I suggest that some of the people posting here, would be better off spending their time reading. I have an extensive library of over 300 books that I have read, some of them more than once. I have borrowed from the library over an additional 200 books. I read at least 3 books a month, some of them over 800 pages. Therefore, I cannot spend my time blathering about things I know little about, as many here seem to do.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Good Day.

    • eddie47d

      If you read so much then why don’t you share your intense knowledge with us instead of making your own frivolous comments!

      • Raggs

        Ed… I would hope that some free knowledge would do you some good but, that seems the lest of your problems.

      • eddie47d

        So you approve of Capitalists frivolous comments Raggs?

        • http://naver Samurai

          Speaking of frivolous comments, I suggest that you look at some of your own postings, ed-dh. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • TML

    “as President Barrack Obama prepares to sign legislation that could substantially reduce Iran’s oil revenue”

    We have (or shouldn’t have) no right to do this.

    “Some officials speculate that the latest sanctions are setting the stage for violent confrontation between the United States and Iran.”

    Yup! And I’ve never been more ashamed of my country!
    We are going to start another war as the big bully of the world… a country that is supposed to stand for freedom and liberty, taking freedom and liberty from other countries. Makes me sick

    • eddie47d

      You may be right TML. I’m not sure which side is looking for an excuse for war, so pathetic. We boycotted Cuba for 50 years and they have much oil. Now the Chinese are buying up rights just off of our territorial waters. Stop the threats,stop the boycotts of other nations and develop a peaceful and wise economic solution for a better world economy.

      • Carole H

        But eddie47d,
        Where would be the big $$$$$ for the 1% in anything done peacefully?

        You might even call the big $$$$$ free money, since it all would go into their pockets from the American tax payer. And not a single life of a 1%er lost. What a deal, eh? Their profits are up 270 odd % since these wars have been going on. What to WE the people get? massive unemployment, and when we lose our jobs, we are then looked down on even more and called lazy good for nothings. LOL Yep we lost over 11 million jobs.

      • eddie47d

        So correct Carole.

      • http://naver Samurai

        You 3 sound so ignorant that it is unworthy of responses by anyone. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Carole H

          Funny coming from you Samurai, you have already been discredited several times on this single thread. Obviously you do not read much at all, you must be getting most of your fiction from Lush, Heil Hannity and the rest of that crowd, they are entertainers you know, not journalists.

          Too bad, cause you seem intelligent enough, just ignorant.

        • TML

          Are you on drugs, or just really freakin stupid?

  • Joey Biden

    I say we send a cruise missle up Hockminijabs ass and be done with it.

  • Raggs

    False flag event…
    This is nothing but a political ploy for the oblama administration..
    The string pullers are attempting to set oblama up as a “HERO” so that the sheeple will keep him as the vacationer in cheif.

  • ROGER, Canadian Libertarian

    The typical American DOUBLE STANDARD…it is ok for us to f”k with you but you cant f”k with us..but because it is Iran, who cares about standards or ethics……and besides Israel wants it this way.!!!

    What was that I heard from the American government: “How high do you want us to jump, Netenyahou?”…is that correct?

    • Mark in LA

      Why you Jew hater!!!

      • Carole H

        Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off here.

        You are right saying anything less than groveling at the feet of Israel and that makes you a Jew hater, and if you are a Jew, it makes you a self hating Jew. LOL

      • Joseph

        Why you Zionist!

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Mark La and Carole H
        My Granddaughter is in medical student and her fiance is a humanistic Jew,she also converting to that belief or faith.They are both anti-Zionist.They both have stated time and time again that there is no historical evidence that Palestine ever belong to the Jews.It is just a myth.just a Bible myth.

        How the Jews stole Palestine: The Unspoken Bible
        The historical records clearly show that wars between Jews, Christians and Muslims … but there are no sources outside the Bible that verify that the whole of Palestine was … the historical claims upon which Zionists claim Israel rightly belongs to the Jews. … to archeological evidence, the Jews never had control of Palestine. …
        http://www.usbible.com/War/StolePalestine.htm -

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          Mark

          My granddaughter is a,sorry about the in.

        • libertytrain

          my only thought on your comment is that surely if your granddaughter and boyfriend say this is so, it must be….. :)

    • Aurelio

      Iran is indefensible, a most disgusting, abusing, criminal and psychotic
      tyranny. If you complain so much about the US, Israel and the West, move your butt over there, and stop acting like clown.

  • tom sherman

    Whether he can block the Strait of Hormuz or not the price of oil will double & we still will not have a pipe line from Canada!!!!!! I am stocking up on Beans, Bacon, Butter, Beer & Bullets!!!

    • Aurelio

      Tom, I’m doing the same!

    • Carole H

      Well, tom sherman, you are right to be stocking up on those things and please, save some of that Venison for the rest of us.

  • gnafu

    Oil is point here, or at least I think it is. There is enough oil in the United States that we can do without foreign oil. Need to get the tree huggers and Al Gore re-programed on important issues confronting this Country.Get the refineries up and running and we can out-produce any other country. (Maybe more jobs??) Keep looking for better energy methods, maybe GeoScientific methods (laser), but until then, we are dependent on oil and petrolium products for many businesses and personal use. Iran can go suck eggs once America really starts producing.

    • Carole H

      Yeah! but gnafu, you do not understand, OMG! THEY MAY GET A NUCLEAR WEAPON, and as some one else pointed out Israel only has 330 of them to protect herself with.

  • Aurelio

    If 2011 was a rocky year, you ain’t seen nothing yet, to paraphrase the Gipper. Unless a miracle takes place, gas prices are going to hit the 6 or 7 dollars benchmark for the first time in history, plunging the world’s economies into a tailspin that is going to make 1929 look like child’s play.The reason will be the conundrum between Iran’s nuclear weapons ambition, and Israel’s certainty that once they have a bomb they are going to use it to wipe them out of the face of the earth, as they have promised before. Israel is not going to suffer another Holocaust; this determination is almost genetic in them. Israel has nuclear weapons, nobody knows how many, but trust their technological expertise. Once they get wind that the Iranians are about to manufacture a bomb, they are going to attack them, and it’s going to be very ugly. Any type of military engagement in the Persian Gulf will stop the oil supply to the west, period. The latest Iranian’s provocations in the Strait show that their leadership has escalated the highest pile of mental manure ever conceived by an oligarchy. They know that the whole world is against them, including their fiercest enemies the Sunni Muslims that surround them, and they simply don’t care; because these people really believe that God wants them to destroy the west, starting with Israel, then America and Western Europe. They are counting on the 70 virgins each of them are going to enjoy throughout eternity after conquering the world to Shiite Islam.
    Sounds stupid, but it’s very real. Carl Jung-the Swiss psychologist-used to say that psychic reality is real for the mind that thinks it; remember the reverend Jones in Guyana, David Koresh and many others. Human beings have both the most unbelievable potential for universal greatness, but also for mind boggling colossal idiocy.
    Next year, the world can change very viciously with consequences that can affect generations to come. If a nuclear device is detonated in the Iranian territory, the radioactive fall out will affect the whole region, including the Mediterranean Basin, and Western Europe.
    I can’t understand how nobody is talking about it; it’s just lying in front of our eyes, still the pundits are looking elsewhere. Well, what can I say: I might just be the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room. Hope and pray that I’m dead wrong.

    • Carole H

      Aurelio,

      The latest Iranian’s provocations in the Strait…..

      What???? their provocations, what about our provocations, weren’t they issued first? and since the Iranians are not Arabs??????where do the 70 virgins come in??? Girl you are off of your cotton picking rocker.

      You know really, I do hate to be so insulting, it is not my nature I swear, but someone needs to SLAP you, you are just that wrong, honey.

      • Aurelio

        First of all, Aurelio is a masculine name, second nobody has ever slap me, third, you don’t know what the heck you are talking about. Read the news, get informed and later talk. Iran threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz, where has you been been? It has nothing to do with their not being Arabs, of course they are not Arabs, they are Persians, one of the oldest civilizations in the Middle East that gave birth to one of the oldest religions in the world: Zoroastrianism. Do you want me to lecture you about Iran? It’s very dangerous when the uninformed gives an opinion… Confucius.

      • http://naver Samurai

        Carol, why don’t you just shut up? You are so moronic that your convoy just took a direct hit, but you are too stupid to notice the burning trucks and bleeding personnel. Also, a threat of violence. Are you a union person as well as a lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxist? Neeeeed to be making that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Carole H

          Samurai,
          At least I spell your name right, and I do get my facts straight. I am not a Marxist. Which would be obvious if you paid any attention at all. Yes, I do support Labor Unions, why not, they built the Middle Class in this country. Your are right I have nothing against gays.

          Let me share what a gay friend and neighbor of mine had to say about you Homophobes, he said the louder the guy is in claiming he hates gays, the easiest he is to get. (offensive personal attack removed)

        • TML

          “why don’t you just shut up?”

          I was thinking the same about you.

          “Neeeeed to be making that popping sound”

          Get off the drugs

    • http://n/a Draper B. Gregory

      Good morning. Please be reassured that a nuclear reaction is not going to be used for the simple reason that there are other options that are effective such as the “daisy-cutter”.

  • Raggs

    Ahhh… the “created crisis event”.
    I’m so glad that I’m not a sheeple…

    This reminds me of all of those Clint Eastwood movies where as the outlaw can kill anyone that stands in his way for the sake of being the “good” guy.

  • Jay

    The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World.
    The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.

    Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.

    Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.

    This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time. -Albert Pike-an excerpt from a letter to Mazzini.

    • Joseph

      Contrary to myth being fabricated, Islam does not pose a threat to the West. Rather, Islamic “terrorist” organizations have been created to serve Western imperialistic objectives. These groups are intertwined with Western power through a network of occult secret societies. This relationship dates back to sixth century BC, and the birth of the Kabbalah, in Babylon; a plot to seek world domination through the use of magic and deception.

    • Aurelio

      This idea of Lucifer, Satan or the devil is an aberration of a natural human projection of guilt. The devil in the Bible is in accord with Yahweh, or Jehovah, when he authorized him to wreak havoc to Job. Then from helper, assistant or partner, he becomes this all powerful entity who is going to dominate the world. If you believe there is a God-which I hate that name because is a common name- creator of everything you see, and everything you can’t see, and everything you ignore, -how can you that God created his own opposite? God has nothing to do with religion; man creates religion and later blames God for it. God doesn’t kill, man kills on his name. God is the Creator of life; man is the destroyer.

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      Jay,

      Illumination: the Secret Religion – Illuminati Degrees
      The Pythagorean Degrees of the Illuminati. Standard degrees. 1st: The Heaven of the Fixed Stars. 2nd: Kronos (Saturn). Kronos was the leader of the Titans. …
      http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/Illuminati-Degrees(1540971).htm -

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        JAY,

        Pythagoras biography
        Pythagoras of Samos is often described as the first pure mathematician. He is an extremely important figure in the development of mathematics yet we know …
        http://www.gap-system.org/~history/Biographies/Pythagoras.html -

        • Joseph

          Tanks for the links coal. However, I am familiar with the information you provided. Although most of the material is food for thought, on a side note, i wish the author would keep his personal opinions regarding the inferiority of other religions to himself. It makes him appear as an extremist. Like a Christian extremist, or a Muslim extremist, or perhaps a Zionist? Thanks anyways.

          • Joseph

            My apologies coal, just realized you posted the two links for Jay.

  • http://Boblivingston Gottaplenty

    It would take too many barges to plug the Strait of Hormuz, that is a continuation of the Great Rift and is at least two miles deep at that area…..

    • Mark in LA

      There have always beed reports of Iran sinking ships in the straits in the financial newsletters of glod bugs. According to this the depth is 90-50 meters.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gulf

  • simian pete

    Looks like war. Do the Iranians have the technology to destroy a US aircraft carrier ?

    Now if one of them carriers gets hit or even worse, SUNK! – USA will be perceived as a second rate naval power …..

    Is this a good time to test Iran ? We need the F-35 (Navy model) operational with the Super Hornets … Not those old falling apart F-18′s they are using now.

    I recommend President Obama use nuclear attack subs to take out the Iranian navy…

    But what the heck do I know ????

  • Aurelio

    I want to thank all of you for replying to my posting. But, unfortunately none of you understood the message, which is very simple and geopolitical. The confrontation between Iran and Israel is the most important issue in the Middle East,even more important than the rising of the Muslim Brotherhood. It’s a real confrontation between a crazy oligarchy bent on annihilating an entire population for religious reasons. That’s the key issue, and this monstrosity is very possible because both have very powerful armed forces.
    The Iranian navy is no match to the 5th Fleet stationed in the area. America’s weaponry is the most powerful and technologically sophisticated in the world. The Iranian Armed Forces will be destroyed beyond recognition by remote control, we all know that, the problem is the supply of oil, and America’s dependence on it. We have more oil and other energy sources than any of those countries in the area, but the “community organizer” in the White House is going with the Environmentalist lobby, who are the people that have invested heavily in green energy companies. To see a good return in their investment, they need to put an end to oil, coal and natural gas. It’s all about money, greed and power on one side, and morons who applaud without understanding one single word of what they have just heard.

    • simian pete

      Aurelio,

      The Iranian Navy may have them Russian KLUB anti-ship missiles. You know, the ones that go supersonic and low (under the radar) when they lock on to a target ?

      If I was one of them Iranian Admrals, y’know what I would do ? !! I would launch a whole bunch of older KLUB missiles to SINK the outer ships in the carrier task force. Y’know, the ones that give anti-missile shield ? The Iranians sink them ships first.

      Then I would follow it up with a some of them Iranian hybrid f-14 fighters, attack multiple land targets ! Like destroy some of Kuwaits, Saudi Arabia’s oil fields and sink some tankers. The US F-18′s would be occupied trying to protect just about everywhere.

      With most of the old rickety F-18′s away from the US carriers – trying to defend multiple targets, then the Iranians should launch the newer versions of the KLUB missiles and with some Silkworms (or whatever they have in anti-ship missiles). Also launching missiles from aircraft is a good idea…

      Overwhelm the phalanx system on the carriers by attacking from different mutiple 3-D vectors … the KLUBS coming in low and fast, and the other antiships missiles coming in from the sky …. BOOM BOOM BOOM !!!! GoodBye FLATTOP !!!

      Once one of them US flattops starts burning , either finish it off or board it …

      I guess when the F-18′s return they won’t have any place to land ?

      Just a thought …..

  • chuckb

    oooh! how scary, what a bunch of baloney, the only technology russia comes up with is stuff she stole from this country and germany after ww2. of course if we leave the bolsheviks in charge another four years, you can depend on our lack of defensive weapons. barry is doing his best to dismantle our technology, he shut nasa down, so we will be susceptible to a lot of stuff, clinton made sure the red chinese got directional technology for their missles, they were decades behind this country until bill clinton:

    Gen. Shen did obtain help from the White House by pressuring Hughes with satellite contracts. Hughes CEO Michael Armstrong wrote President Clinton in 1993 threatening to pull support for Clinton if he did not allow the space technology transfers to China. In 1994, Clinton approved a waiver for Hughes to transfer advanced satellite encryption systems to China.
    if bill clinton would endanger his country for money from the chinese what do you think barry would do to save his muslim brothers.

    • Mark in LA

      You have just proven yourself an idiot. Do some research on Russian jet aircraft and you will see they produce respectable equipment.

      • chuckb

        mark in la, before you start naming people as idiots, i would suggest you do a little better research on russia and their superior military equipment. you apparently are the product of our liberal education system since the sixties “fear the communist and their superior war machine” that’s pure baloney. russian equipment didn’t defeat germany in ww2, the german tanks and aircraft far exceeded anything the communist had, russia succeeded with the help of the u.s. we supplied them with aircraft, tanks and fuel. the germans failed because we shut off their fuel supply and they were stalled by the fierce russian winter, after the war the russians copied the german aircraft as well as we did. remember where the rockets came from? the russians have lived off our technology by theft and liberal americans
        betraying the country. clinton gave our technology to the chinese. so you cower under the bed when you see all this great tech the russians have, i’ll take ours. then tell me who the idiot is. respectable equipment doesn’t mean superior!

        • Mark in LA

          First of you are an idiot because the T-39 tank was recognized as the best overall tank of WWII. While less heavily armored than the tiger and panther tanks it cound run rings around them. It had a sophisticated suspensions system, decent gun and sloped armor. It was vastly superior to the sherman tank.

          Nobody said Russian equipment was the best only that your ignorant dismissal of all things Russian shows you to be an idiot. One of Sun Tzu’s main rules is never underestimate your opponent. Russian equipment may not be the best but to assume it is all junk and easily defeated by vastly smaller forces will do nothing but set you up for a serious ass-kicking.

          As for your idiot nonsense about “America won the war” the standard pap we teach our kids. Stalingrad was already over before American troops or equipment had any real effect on the war. The siege of Leningrad was lifted only two months after US troops landed in Africa where they had no effect on the war. Keep believeing the nonsense that the USSR only used weapons we gave them, and walk in a gun shop and see all the Russian home guard surplus Moisin-nagants that were the front line rifle in WWII and wonder how Russia got all those rifles in strange calibers from us. That’s the problem with Americans and what makes me ashamed to be one is their complete lack of knowledge about real history and their willingness to showcase their ignorance to others.

          • chuckb

            mark la, it’s quite evident you know little about history, you also reveal your poor patriotism. apparently you are still attending one our
            poorly taught government schools. the russian tanks never stood up to the german tanks and neither did ours.
            January 12th, 1943, four Tiger’s , with eight MKIII’s, faced 24 Russian T34’s near Leningrad. The ground was frozen solid which greatly aided manoeuvrability. 12 T34’s were destroyed and the other 12 retreated. Given the correct terrain to fight on, the Tiger easily proved its fighting worth.
            we supplied russia with planes, tanks and all necessary equipment starting in 1941. for your information look up the murmansk run, we shipped war material to russia, an enemy just as bad as nazi germany, probably worse. sorry to condemn the country you seem to admire.
            go back to your class room and try to find more accurate information and also at the same time look up the german 88, the fire power of the tiger tank qnd you will find out why no one could stand up to it.
            i’m ashamed we have people of your caliber living in this country.

          • Mark in LA

            The best tank is more than just the biggest tank with the biggest gun. The main purpose of a tank is as a spearhead for an offensive. The T-34 was the best tank for its combination of speed, armor and adequate gun. German tanks were slugs and even the worst tank in the war the Sherman tank used its speed and inadequate gun sucessfully by shooting, retreating, and manuvering sucessfully to overwhelm the smaller units of German tanks. The Russians produced about 90 thousand T-34s. It is one of the main reasons the Germans lost WWII. We were a minor player compared to the Red Army. As for the equipment we gave them it amounted to less than 5% of the total war material used by the Red Army. Do some research on Russian combat aircraft, nowhere is there any mention of significant US equipment. Do some research on the Battle of Kursk – the biggest tank battle of WWII. If the T-34 was so inferior then why did the Russians win that battle?

            At the end of the war the Red army had 250 division while the entire US army had 100 divisions. While idiots in the US watch a Hollywood movie like Patton and believe nonsense like his army would have cut through the Red Army like butter, knowledgable people know better. There was a great documentay called “The Unknown War” maybe you should look it up.

  • Joseph

    World War Three is to be fomented by riling the masses of the West against the world of Islam, through the misconception that it is a medieval religion, contrary to the values of rights and freedoms which have taken the West centuries to hone. The means of arousing the rest of the world’s animosity against the religion of Islam as tyrannical was orchestrated initially with the installation of the Ayatollah in Iran.

    Following the installation of the Ayatollah, covert support of the war in Afghanistan, leading to the installation of the Taliban regime, would contribute to destroying the Soviet Union, thus liberating Central Asia for conquest, and leaving the Illuminati with one final last enemy in its quest for global hegemony, Islam, as pronounced by Albert Pike.

    The means of achieving this would be through the Aspen Institute’s and Club of Rome’s “limits to growth” strategy. As Robert Dreyfuss described, the impoverishment of the Third World was a deliberate policy of British colonialism, in which it employed corrupt regimes like that of Saudi Arabia, and radical terrorist cults like the Muslim Brotherhood. He writes: “For Americans, British sponsorship of the Muslim Brotherhood should not be surprising. The policy of the British Empire was to maintain London’s colonies in a state of underdevelopment. In the Middle East, the British have always sought out the corrupt tribal leaders and the venal clergy to lead movements whose objectives have always seemed to coincide with the British objectives. With the Muslim Brotherhood, British Imperial policy was institutionalized in the form of a disciplined organization dedicated to returning the Middle East to the Dark Ages.”

    The explosion of violence throughout the Middle East, in the late seventies and early eighties, was not something that occurred by chance, but was the result of a deliberate plan developed by the Illuminati strategists, such as Dr. Alexander King, Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and British operative Bernard Lewis. It was Bernard Lewis, a former British agent, and an Oxfor “Clash of Civilizations”, in a September 1990 Atlantic Monthly article, on “The Roots of Muslim Rage,” which appeared three years before Huntington’s diatribe.

    In 1979, Bernard Lewis, a former British agent, and an Oxford university specialist in Islamic studies, currently at Princeton, attended the super-secret Bilderberg meeting in Austria, and contributed to the discussion of “Muslim Fundamentalism”. The Bernard Lewis Plan, is the code-name for a top-secret British strategy for the Middle East. Lewis’ Plan endorsed the Muslim Brotherhood movement behind Khomeini, in order to promote for the Balkanization and fragmentation of the entire Muslim Near East along ethnic and religious lines.

    Lewis argued that the West should encourage nationalistic upheavals among minorities, such as the Lebanese Maronites, the Kurds, the Armenians, Druze, Baluchis, Azerbaijani Turks, Syrian Alawites, the Copts of Ethiopia, Sudanese mystical sects, Arabian tribes and so on. The result would be, in Brzezinski’s terminology, an Arc of Crisis. Brzezinski, who served as National Security Advisor during the Carter administration, believed that global dominance was dependent of control of the numerous states of Soviet Central Asia. In The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives, Brzezinski put forward a vision of creating a “global-zone of percolating violence,” leading to the break-up of the Middle East, into a mosaic of competing factions, and weakening the authority of existing republics and kingdoms, that could be skillfully manipulated to inhibit the integration of the Central Asian states.

    According to The Grand Chessboard, a map of this zone of “percolating violence” encompasses all of Central Asia, extending westward to include Turkey, northward to include southern Russia, and eastward to the western borders of China. It includes the entire Middle East, where Brzezinski claims it is imperative for the US to retain control, especially in the critical Persian Gulf. And, the zone extends eastward to include Afghanistan and Pakistan, up to the latter’s border with India. Brzezinski had, in turn, been seduced by Bernard Lewis, into believing that Islamic fundamentalism could be played as a “geo-strategic” card to destabilize the USSR.

    This strategy would be achieved by employing all the covert means made available through Illuminati channels, and with the CIA again exploiting the services of the Muslim Brotherhood, to foment revolution and deface the image of Islam. Despite all their posturing as defenders of orthodoxy, the Muslim Brotherhood are using the pretext of seeking to implement the global “caliphate”, or Muslim ruler, to seek the destruction of Middle Eastern societies, to conspire with the Illuminati towards the implementation of a New World Order, based on occult principles. As described by Robert Dreyfuss:

    The real story of the Muslim Brotherhood is more fantastic than the mere imagination of the authors of espionage novels could create. It functions as a conspiracy; its members exchange coded greetings and secret passwords; although no formal membership list exists, its members are organized into hierarchical cells or “lodges” like the European freemason societies and orders.

    The Muslim Brotherhood does not respect national frontiers; it spans the entire Islamic world. Some of its members are government officials, diplomats, and military men; others are street gangsters and fanatics. While the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood are at home in plush-carpeted paneled board rooms of top financial institutions, at the lower levels the Muslim Brotherhood is a paramilitary army of thugs and assassins.

    At its highest level, the Muslim Brotherhood is not Muslim. Nor is it Christian, Jewish, or part of any religion. In the innermost council are men who change their religion as easily as other men might change their shirts.

    Taken together, the generic Muslim Brotherhood does not belong to Islam, but to the pre-Islamic barbarian cults of mother-goddess worship that prevailed in ancient Arabia. As much as the peddlers of mythology might want us to believe that the Muslim Brotherhood and Ayatollah Khomeini represent a legitimate expression of a deeply rooted “sociological phenomenon”, it is not the case. Nor does the Muslim Brotherhood represent more than a tiny fraction of the world’s Muslim believers.

  • kent

    Comon’ here the USA has enough oil forever……… quit kissing ass and take care of the USA first !!!!!!!!!!

  • Joseph

    The plan for WWII, in accord with that devised by Albert Pike, and summarized by William Guy Carr, “was to be fomented by using the differences between Fascists and Political Zionists. This was to be fought so that Nazism would be destroyed and the power of Political Zionism increased so that the sovereign state of Israel could be established in Palestine.”[1] The harsh terms imposed by the agents of the Illuminati at the Treaty of Versailles that ruined Germany financially were to set the stage for World War II. Sure enough, in 1939 the Second World War started.

    It was Montagu Norman, as Chairman of the Bank of England, who, from 1933 through 1939, met repeatedly with Hjalmar Schacht, Reich Minister of Economics, and a member of the Rhodes Round Table, to plan the overall budget of the Nazi regime with British credit, and guided the strategies of Hitler’s primary supporters, the Rockefellers, Warburgs, and Harrimans.

    While Hitler cynically denounced the company as an “international Jewish organization,” Schacht nevertheless awarded huge contracts to produce munitions and chemicals for the German military buildup to IG Farben, the giant chemical firm, that ultimately produced the Zyklon B gas used in Nazi extermination camps. And, IG Farben and Rockefeller’s Standard Oil of New Jersey were effectively a single firm, having been merged in hundreds of cartel arrangements. It was led, up until 1937 by Rockefeller’s partners, the Frankist Warburgs. After WW II began, Standard Oil pledged to keep the merger with I.G. Farben, even if the U.S. entered the war.

    The Nazis, created by the Illuminati, at the core represented an occult society that grew out of the associations around Jamal ud Din al Afghani and his H.B. of L. The Nazi Party was the result of a merging of the O.T.O of Crowley and the Thule Gesselschaft of Germany. The chief architect of the Thule group was Baron Rudolf von Sebottendorff, who had contact with Dervish Orders, and knew much about Sufism.

    The doctrines of the Thule order were founded on The Coming Race by the Bulwer-Lytton, and the theory of the Atlantean origins of the Aryans race developed by Blavatsky. In 1919, the members of the Thule Society formed a political party named the “Germany Workers Party”. This was in turn was later renamed the “National Socialist German Workers’ Party”, more popularly known as the Nazis, by Adolph Hitler in 1920, who became Chancellor of Germany in 1933 and dictator in 1934. Also a member of the Thule Society was black magician, Heinrich Himmler, leader of the SS, whose insignia was a Runic symbol, thought to represent the lost wisdom of their Aryan forefathers.

    These two factions, that developed out of Afghani’s influence, the Nazis and the Salafi movement, would eventually would work together to revive the ancient mind-control tactics of the Ismailis, to form a body of agent-provocateurs, more commonly known as terrorists. The name of this organization is the Muslim Brotherhood. Ultimately, however, following the example set by Afghani and Abduh, the upper leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood would profess Islam only to deceive, while in actuality they were members of the Illuminati, through their adherence to the Ismaili brand of Islam. Thus, as Robert Dreyfuss described, in Hostage to Khomeini, a revealing look at the conspiracy to promote the Muslim Brotherhood:

    The Muslim Brotherhood is a London creation, forged as the standard-bearer of an ancient, anti-religious (pagan) heresy that has plagued Islam since the establishment of the Islamic community (umma) by the Prophet Mohammed in the seventh century. Representing organized Islamic fundamentalism, the organization called the Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan al-Muslimum in Arabic) was officially founded in Egypt, in 1929, by the British agent Hasan al-Banna, a Sufi mystic. Today, the Muslim Brotherhood is the umbrella under which a host of fundamentalist Sufi, Sunni, and radical Shiite brotherhoods and societies flourish.

  • http://google Sandra Henley

    Iran’s threats to shut strait of Hormuz: Ships could sail closer to Saudi Arabia, UAE and Oman. Problem solved. But this should be another wake up to US Gov to be less dependent on foreign oil. US has a lot of fuel resources if we could get past the bureaucrats. US STATES should move forward with the pipeline from Canada to Mexico. Should be able to find a loophole around Fed. gov. blockcade.

    What about the $600 billion Fed Res just gave to EU on Dec. 25, 2011?

  • chuckb

    mark in la, as i said before you are a victim of the public school system. there’s no evidence of the t34 russian tanks ever defeating the tiger tank of germany, your information is the victim of history being rewnritten especially by the school system.
    russia didn’t defeat germany, their lack of supplies by advancing to fast was the demise of the german army. the germans were superior to the russian counterpart in every aspect, air. land and sea. the problem germany had, they were basically fighting the whole world.
    sorry to burst your balloon, communism doesn’t work and never will and russia would not have survived without the aid we furnished and that was probably a mistake.

    • Mark in LA

      You again show that you know absolutely nothing and resort to changing the subject when you can’t admit it. What the hell does communism have to do with the Russians defeating the Germans on the eastern front?

      The evidence of T-34s beating Tigers is right there in the history books. Did Germany win the war in the east? No, they did not. Did large numbers of Russian infantry and cavalry attack German tanks and win? No, they did not. Maybe you forgot that Germany was 200 kilometers from Moscow when the Russians launched a surprise winter offensive that pushed them back using those same inferior T-34 tanks. I already mentioned the Battle of Kursk. How did those inferior Russian tanks manage to win if the Tigers were so invincible? Maybe you think we gave them Sherman tanks?

      Blaming everything on the winter and lack of supplies is a cop-out. Did nobody in Germany know how long the supply line would be? Did nobody in Germany know about Russian winters? Do some real research about Russian wartime equipment. It was adequate for the job because it was simple and easily produced. Just the stuff needed to produce it in the mass quantities to equip an army of 250 divisions.

      The person who doesn’t know history and is relying on the school system is you. Your lack of real knowledge is based on the standard stuff kids learn in our public schools, that America was the main reason the Germans were defeated and the Russians only had the equipment we gave them. However, it was the Red Army who did the real heavy lifting in that war with equipment produced in Russian factories. Look up German wartime production. You will see for all the bombing done by the allies that German wartime production never fell year over year. The so-called daytime precision bombing of the day was anything but and the Germans had moved facilities underground. The allied presence in the west was insignificant until months after D-day. Don’t pretend that what went on in Italy had any real effect on the Germans. By the time of D-day, the Germans were in full retreat in the east.

  • chuckb

    it looks like you have been reading too much soviet propaganda, the battle of kursk was not the huge tank battle you seem to envision. there were few tiger tanks involved and where they were the t34 was no match for them.
    The myth of Kursk has been surprisingly resilient. Some of this undoubtedly is due to how long it remained unchallenged. Powerful counterarguments have only been published in the last 10 years or so. Even these are somewhat inaccessible: since they’ve been published by specialty presses they have high price tags and do not show up on the average bookstore’s shelves.
    It is certain that CITADEL failed and in no way were the Germans positioned to even score a partial victory. The Germans did not fail, however, due to a defeat at Prokhorovka. There was no “death ride of the panzers” on July 11 and 12. Nor was there a very big battle on those dates. It’s time to put to rest the fanciful notions of waves of Tiger and Panther tanks riding across the dry, dusty plains to do battle with Soviet tanks at point-blank range.
    It just didn’t happen.

    you are wanting to believe something that never happened just like some of your other conclusions. germany lost the battle in russia due to the lack of supplies and a very cold winter. russia never was a considered heavy weight when it came to military prowess. they like the japanese copied other countries technology and sometimes got that wrong. they had a large army mostly made up of peasants and poorly trained, without the u.s. assistance thru our supplying them thru murmansk they would not have survived. however, you want to believe a fantasy published by the communist press, so have at it. when you want to read what actually happened. check out the following
    Some parts of this essay (maybe even all of it) may be at odds with what you have read or heard about the battle of Kursk. As a result, you may be skeptical of what I have written. I urge you to use this as an excuse to “dig deeper” into the history of the battle. As an aid, I suggest the following reading list:

    Glantz, David, and Jonathan House. 1999. The Battle of Kursk. University Press of Kansas.

    Newton, Steven. 2003. Kursk: The German View. DaCapo Press.

    Zetterling, Niklas, and Anders Frankson. 2000. Kursk: A Statistical Analysis. Frank Cass.
    For German and Soviet data on the south face, consult the Kursk Operation Simulation and Validation Exercise (KOSAVE) prepared by the
    U.S. Army Concepts Analysis Agency.

    it looks to me like you are a victim of the communist media.

    also you might want to check out how your undaunted russian tanks and aircraft have made out over the years,it seems they have failed in almost every instance. the israeli’s made quick destruction of everyone they faced and it seems they never quite made the grade only thru propaganda like yours.

    • Mark in LA

      The one spewing unsubstantiated propadanda is you. Once again you resort to a straw man argument. Nobody ever said the Russians were invincible only that they won the war in the east with their own weapons. You assume that what little we gave them sustained their entire war machine bacause that was what you were told in high school or grade school and it is the standard pap given to Americans. That to anybody who actually spends 5 minutes thinking on the enormity of the war in the east is ridiculous on its face. How could anybody who understood the size of those battles and the amount of cargo carried by the smallish ships of yesteryear believe that? If Patton ran out of gas and supplies with a supply line only a few hundred kilometers long from the coast of France, how does the Red Army get all those supplies from Murmansk and Archangel to the front lines all the way down to the Caucuses? Are you forgetting that U-boats were very successful in 1942 up to the spring of 1943. Most of the cargo went to sustaining Britain and the forces in Africa and the build up to Normandy. There is no evidence of American weaponry being used in any significant numbers by Red Army troops or by the USSR proxies after the end of WWII. There should have been tons of donated American weaponry in North Korea and North Vietnam since it would make more sense because captured American ammo would be usable – there just wasn’t. You probably also believe that America also supplied all Britain’s war needs as well. This is another lie Americans are told.

      Everybody spins the war to make it seem they were the most important player. The British probably emphasize the Battle of Britain and the North Africa campaign because that is where they were the major players. We empasize the invasion of Normandy, the Battle of the Bulge and the bombing campaigns. The Russian engineers I worked with know very little about what happened in the west. There is no doubt that both Britain and America contributed and hastened the end of the war but the Red Army would have eventually won on their own. This is something that may not have been possible by Britain or the US as an amphibious assault on a fully equipped and manned Germany without all those troops in the east would likely have failed.

      However, the bottom line is that there is no way we equipped the Red Army in any significant way and almost all the biggest battles and defeats of the Germans came in the east. Therefore, one can only conclude that it was the Red Army who did the heavy lifting in the war regardless of how poorly they were led, how many more casyualtiesa they took than the Germans, or what other barbaric tendencies they (given that the Germans were fighting a war of extermination it made sense) had.

      • Mark in LA

        I also never said anything about Kursk only that it is recognized as the biggest armored clash in the war and it was won by the Red Army. Why is it so difficult to stay on the actual point for you? Is it because like a lot of Americans you don’t like the truth so have a need to reinvent it or change it to suit your beliefs?

  • chuckb

    one other thing, check out the war with finland by russia. you think they were so invincible. the little country of finland gave them more than they could handle.

  • chuckb

    it’s quite obvious you have been indoctrinated with mythology regarding the eastern front of ww2. you are giving credit one minute in your estimation the best tank in the world and next you want to believe the russian army was invincible. you discussed this with russian engineers who for some reason didn’t know anythinmg about the war, well, my friend i discussed this battle of the eastern front with people who were fighting there, german pow’s who were in the actual fighting.
    what happened to this great russia army when germany invaded russia? the russian army was no threat to the invading germans. if we had not entered the war germany would have not only have controlled europe, russia would no longer exist.
    my information came from first hand, yours no doubt from pure propaganda, russian or the public education system. i doubt if you were alive during ww2 and probably protested the vietnam war if you were old enough, that i doubt. i happened to have served during ww2 and firmly believe you have no idea of what you are talking about and your lack of patriotism is quite obvious.

    • Mark in LA

      Patriotism has nothing to do with the truth.

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