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Interrupting The Race For The Cure

February 7, 2012 by  

Interrupting The Race For The Cure

There is an old political trope that suggests abortion occupies its own rhetorical niche; that it is a topic worthy of Macbeth: It produces “sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

I suspect those who make abortion into such a controversial subject are the most ardent supporters of the procedure. In trying to stifle debate before it begins, they are not trying to preserve civility; instead, they are protecting their beloved practice.

Last week, the Susan G. Komen Foundation announced it would cut funding to the Nation’s top abortion provider: Planned Parenthood. Komen’s decision stemmed from its policy of not funding organizations that draw the scrutiny of Federal investigations. Planned Parenthood is currently being investigated for alleged routing of Federal subsidies to abortions. Komen’s decision provoked a firestorm of controversy, including a barrage of anger from some of the Democratic Party’s most venomous villains. George Soros-controlled Moveon.org, which formed in the late 1990s to protect President Bill Clinton from the fallout from perjury, went so far as to suggest that Komen had “declared war on women.”

The idea that Komen, one of the world’s leading groups dedicated to fighting a disease that afflicts one in eight women, is in any way conducting a campaign against the fairer sex is ludicrous. The idea that Komen should have to answer such slander from left-wing vermin like Moveon.org is appalling. Komen’s track record of redoubtable determination in the face of cancer is nothing short of heroic. How tragic, then, that liberals would place protecting the abominable practice of abortion above protecting millions of women from an insidious disease.

That’s the real line in this particular politically charged sandbox. In fact, the crime against nature, life and God which is abortion is almost tangential. Komen is a huge organization that raises millions of dollars annually to assist in the search for a cure for breast cancer. Planned Parenthood is a huge organization that absorbs millions of dollars annually to provide what they consider women’s health care. Of course, women’s health care is merely code for abortion. Why the duplicity? Because Planned Parenthood is protecting its money, and less money flows to groups that crow about their status as the Nation’s leading practitioner of abortion.

By shutting off the cash spigot (albeit only temporarily), Komen ran afoul of the money-grubbing abortionists at Planned Parenthood and their rabid battalion of supporters. As many people have noted, Komen’s real mistake was in failing to anticipate the fallout from such a move — especially given the monolithic and very loud nature of liberal hatred. It’s worth noting that Komen has made no statements regarding the organization’s position on abortion. It’s too busy fighting cancer — and liberals.

–Ben Crystal

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Stan Smith

    Moveon.org Is a Libtard babble Marxist site! they are not a news site wanna be, Facts?? what facts?? they have none all BS! So what if Susan G. Komen Foundation wants to pull funding from PP it’s their right to do so! If they believe PP uses some Tax $$ to provide abortion, then Susan G. Komen Foundation does have the rights to pull the plug! I don’t want my tax $$’s to fund abortions! There are plenty of cancer research centers for Susan G. Komen Foundation to donate! Yep Libtards went ape Sh*t over this! PP is not the only place for breast cancer research, there are others places than PP! Susan G. Komen Foundation should stick to their guns and stand by their decision! Let the Libtards go ape sh*t as Time said about the Monkeys in the cage analogy, Libtards goes ape sh*t and tossing their turds around!

    • Vicki
      • Flashy

        They did. The whole story came out that a newly appointed VP was strongly anti-abortion, the string of emails ereleased showed she set up a “policy” which stated if an organization was under investigation by any ‘local, state or federal” entity, Komen would not donate for cancer prevention etc.

        She did not inform the Board PP was the target, the emails clearly show it was a policy this VP put together to nail PP, and when the policy was announced, immediate resignations in protest came from the VPs underlings who were not kind in describing the 6 month tenure under her to date.

        On top of that whole schebang, PP is under investigation by a House Committee led by a staunch anti abortion Republican Congressman. And there is no investigation for impropriety (which this policy was sold as to the Board).

        Komen is not taxpayer funded dollars, the money was targeted solely for breat cancer screenings, and it was clearly an ideological attack which has set back a fine organization and undeniably quality programs for prevention of cancer.

        Nice move by the Lifers.

        Why can’t they let people decide on their own without someone screaming moralistic rantings which are not shared by over 50% of the people.

        I mean, c’mon. Preach independence, Rights, etc on one hand, yet insist on imposing moral values on those who do not share those values?

        • Capitalist at Birth

          I receive no less than six medical reports daily from six different Doctors, all of which cast a negative light of mammograms, some suggesting that the repeated use may actually contribute to breast cancer, and many of the readings are false. The issue, actually was how many breast exams were actually performed by Planned Parenthood and how many were actually referrals. When are you going to really be informed? As I have suggested you you previously, you spend much to much time stroking the keyboard, and not enough time reading. Sadly, you continue to ignore my advice.

          • Robert Smith

            CNN reports: “Karen Handel, a vice president with the Susan G. Komen for the Cure Foundation, resigned her position Tuesday after a controversy over funding for Planned Parenthood projects, the foundation said.”

            Rob

          • Deerinwater

            screw you and you doctors capitalist at birth, you are full of —. You don’t have a clue dude, it not your problem, I understand that, why don’t you just say so. Your nipple are not falling off and you won’t die from it. It’s a “womans” problem, the less privileged the greater the problem.

            About 1 in 8 U.S. women (just under 12%) will develop invasive breast cancer over the course of her lifetime.
            In 2011, an estimated 230,480 new cases of invasive breast cancer were expected to be diagnosed in women in the U.S., along with 57,650 new cases of non-invasive (in situ) breast cancer.
            About 2,140 new cases of invasive breast cancer were expected to be diagnosed in men in 2011. A man’s lifetime risk of breast cancer is about 1 in 1,000.
            From 1999 to 2005, breast cancer incidence rates in the U.S. decreased by about 2% per year. The decrease was seen only in women aged 50 and older. One theory is that this decrease was partially due to the reduced use of hormone replacement therapy (HRT) by women after the results of a large study called the Women’s Health Initiative were published in 2002. These results suggested a connection between HRT and increased breast cancer risk.
            About 39,520 women in the U.S. were expected to die in 2011 from breast cancer, though death rates have been decreasing since 1990 — especially in women under 50. These decreases are thought to be the result of treatment advances, earlier detection through screening, and increased awareness.
            For women in the U.S., breast cancer death rates are higher than those for any other cancer, besides lung cancer.
            Besides skin cancer, breast cancer is the most commonly diagnosed cancer among American women. Just under 30% of cancers in women are breast cancers.
            White women are slightly more likely to develop breast cancer than African-American women. However, in women under 45, breast cancer is more common in African-American women than white women. Overall, African-American women are more llkely to die of breast cancer. Asian, Hispanic, and Native-American women have a lower risk of developing and dying from breast cancer.
            In 2011, there were more than 2.6 million breast cancer survivors in the US.
            A woman’s risk of breast cancer approximately doubles if she has a first-degree relative (mother, sister, daughter) who has been diagnosed with breast cancer. About 15% of women who get breast cancer have a family member diagnosed with it.
            About 5-10% of breast cancers can be linked to gene mutations (abnormal changes) inherited from one’s mother or father. Mutations of the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes are the most common. Women with these mutations have up to an 80% risk of developing breast cancer during their lifetime, and they are more likely to be diagnosed at a younger age (before menopause). An increased ovarian cancer risk is also associated with these genetic mutations.
            In men, about 1 in 10 breast cancers are believed to be due to BRCA2 mutations, and even fewer cases to BRCA1 mutations.
            About 85% of breast cancers occur in women who have no family history of breast cancer. These occur due to genetic mutations that happen as a result of the aging process and life in general, rather than inherited mutations.
            The most significant risk factors for breast cancer are gender (being a woman) and age (growing older).

        • Patriot1776

          Yes, it is tragic in this “enlightened” day and age that some feel the need to protect the lives of the unborn children from genocide and murder rather than allow them to inconvenience their mothers. How unfair it truly is to expect anyone to submit to the consequences of their actions and take responsibility for themselves. After all, “if it feels good, do it” is our constitutional right, right?

          It is certainly a shame that a fine institution like the Susan G. Komen Foundation is tied to Planned Parenthood. One preserving life, the other committing murder.

          • Dave

            Yeah,

            Protect the unborn until they arrive, then make their parents work two jobs to afford basic food, shelter and transportation, let HC costs drive families to the brink of bankruptcy. Have trade policy that makes it easy to move good paying jobs to foriegn countries. Destroy unions which is the onoly seat at the money table for working people…

            Some family vales policies there right wingers….

          • bamaliberal

            Yep, let them be born into poverty, violence against children (mostly by men), and when they turn 18 give them a gun and send them off for cannon fodder to fight for your “rights” in unnecessary wars for oil. That makes sense and adds a helluva lot to the quality of life. You rail against choice and insight home grown terrorists to bomb clinics and shoot people. You guys ain’t got a dog in the hunt. If you were able to get pregnant we would not be having this discussion. If you don’t want and abortion, then don’t have one, but stay the hell out of women’s decisions about their quality of life and whether they want to carry a fertilized egg to maturation.

          • Sirian

            Patriot1776,
            Putting it in a very simple form of description – they truly don’t care. Funding – money – is the primary goal at all times. The unborn child in the hands of PP is so insignificant. To them it remains as nothing more than an specific area that they have used for decades to quietly yet effectively promote a very robust agenda. As so prescribed, it takes precedence. The same applies to breast cancer that so many women suffer through year by year. It too provides additional funding as well as additional cover. Anyone who can not see this for what it selectively and truly is remains blind to so many other areas of concern too.

          • Robert Smith

            Awwww Patriot, I’ve pointed this out to you before and you just don’t seem to get it…

            You posted: “One preserving life, the other committing murder.”

            Abortion is NOT legally “murder” in America. It’s mostly legal almost everywhere. It is simply a medical procedure that you don’t like. If you are using the term “murder” it’s either in a right wing political sense or religious. And not all religious folks follow anti-abortion goose stepping; Catholics for Choice is real.

            Please quit using such hysterical terms as “murder” without defining the extreme position you are comming from.

            Thank you,

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            bamaliberal says: “If you were able to get pregnant we would not be having this discussion.”

            Actually if priests could get pregnant IMO abortion would be a sacrament.

            I’ve always been an advocate that if a guy is protesting in front of a clinic that they should be able to get him to carry the aborted fetus. You know, throw his sign to the ground, get him preggers, and see if he picks it up.

            Rob

          • Dennis48e

            “…..let HC costs drive families to the brink of bankruptcy.”

            But obama care fixed that obama said said it would himself.

          • Vicki

            Robert Smith writes:

            “Abortion is NOT legally “murder” in America. It’s mostly legal almost everywhere. It is simply a medical procedure that you don’t like.”

            Murder: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought.” — Merriam Webster dictionary.

            So all we have to do is change the law and we can kill anyone we like. Tyrants love logic like that. In fact it is a common element used by tyrants through out the ages to justify genocide.

            Why even Muslims use it to get rid of undesirable wives and daughters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

            May the God you do not believe in have mercy on your soul, if you have one).

            If you are using the term “murder” it’s either in a right wing political sense or religious. And not all religious folks follow anti-abortion goose stepping; Catholics for Choice is real.

            Please quit using such hysterical terms as “murder” without defining the extreme position you are comming from.

            Thank you,

            Rob

          • Vicki

            Opps. Sorry Rob. I left some of your statement and name at the bottom of my post. I apologize for any confusion.

          • Deerinwater

            “Yes, it is tragic in this “enlightened” day and age that some feel the need to protect the lives of the unborn children from genocide and murder rather than allow them to inconvenience their mothers.”

            There is serious truth to that,~ and there is also some truth to being one day old, 9 pounds 4 ozs., 19 inchs long, 100% dependent for everything and to not be received well into a prepared and nurturing family.

            There is also an ugly side of back street abortions, where we find young women kneeling on their knees,in a huge pool of blood, their face to the floor, having died all alone needlessly, victims of life’s circumstances, shorted unconditional love and understand. This too is “real”.

            I don’t wish to interfere with your illusions of a perfect world or wanting for one so badly that you would knowingly and willingly permit such things to happen.

            I hear the term Utopia and Utopian used often here, usually in a derogatory slur directed toward “progressives”. I’ve never fully appreciated the jest of it as we all well know, nothing is ever free, while some seem to suggest their opposition might think so.

            But in matters of a “Woman right to Choose”, it is the “Right-Wing” and their position that best describes a “Utopian” in the truest sense of the word. Denying a woman right to control her own body as a righteous act while flying a banner of “Freedom” and “Liberty” is about a “PIE in the SKY” Utopian as Utopian gets.

            Permit God and church to do their work, such things are not a matter of government. We do not need a state or federal government interfering in matters of the God and Church.

            Why would the same people that tell us that “Government is the Problem”,so often and openly demonizing matters of Government at every opportunity, think for one minute Government is somehow the answer to this problem? You make little sense with your argument. If you believe in God more then Government, maybe you should trust God. If you are a nonbeliever it’s a non-issue.

            “blessed are the caregivers”

          • Joe H.

            robbie states ” legally it isn’t murder. Maybe LEGALLY it isn’t, but morally it sure as hell IS!!!! Write the check robbie!!

          • skip

            Two thoughts: 1. Some want every ovarian egg converted to a living human being, but once born, these babies are “on their own” without assured health care or health insurance. What hypocrisy – you cannot have it both ways. 2. 98% of Catholic women practice some form of active birth control; abstinence or coitus interruptus just as purposefully denies that egg from being fertilized. The extension of the contraceptive argument is that every woman and her mate should be forced to have intercourse at mid-cycle to be sure that the egg(s) shed that period have maximum chance of fertilization. The ideal should be a child conceived and delivered every 9 to 10 months. Those Catholic women who do engage in purposeful birth control, and perhaps their cooperating mates, should of course be excommunicated for violating the directives of the Church. Is there any contravening argument? Where is the fallacy of this argument?

        • Flashy

          BTW…the source for my information above is the NYTs and the Wshington Post.

          And i ask again, why is it people who preach “independence” and ‘freedom” and “Rights” and “religious separation of church and state’…insist on using government to impose their moralistic values and opinions on those who do not share them?

          It’s not a question on Choice…it’s a question about imposition of religious beliefs on those not choosing to be of that particular faith. Why is that right, but if such is done to you…it’s wrong?

          • Robert Smith

            Flashy asks: “And i ask again, why is it people who preach “independence” and ‘freedom” and “Rights” and “religious separation of church and state’…insist on using government to impose their moralistic values and opinions on those who do not share them? ”

            True Flashy! I find it very sad that the extreme right would make laws denying choice for individuals in a free America. How dare they force their religious views upon others?

            As far as government goes… The Susan G. Komen Foundation is a PRIVATE organization. When a right wing former Bush appointee started to move her agenda forward it was voluntary CONTRIBUTORS to the Foundation who spoke and said they wanted to support PP.

            BTW, I PAY taxes too. I want my tax $$$$$ to go to health care. You may not want that but in our representative democracy you don’t always get what you want as a minority. I didn’t like the war Bush lied to get us into. I still need to pay taxes.

            Rob

          • Lode

            I still wonder why it is that if a woman has a right to decide who lives and who dies why do women go to jail for murder outside of the womb?

          • GregS

            Flashy says:

            “…why is it people who preach ‘independence’ and ‘freedom’ and ‘Rights’ and ‘religious separation of church and state’…insist on using government to impose their moralistic values and opinions on those who do not share them?”

            First of all, vitually ALL of our laws are based on Judeo-Christian beliefs. “Moralistic values” are placed on everyone in this country through our laws, whether they you like it or not. Otherwise, there would be complete anarchy.

            Secondly, the RIGHT TO LIFE is a BASIC right, which is explicitly found in our Constitution. Many believe that the legalization of abortion is an infringement of that right.

            Flashy says:

            “…it’s a question about imposition of religious beliefs on those not choosing to be of that particular faith.”

            Wrong! The abortion issue is NOT a religious issue. It’s a HUMAN LIFE issue. There are atheists who are pro-life.

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Load, you ask: “I still wonder why it is that if a woman has a right to decide who lives and who dies why do women go to jail for murder outside of the womb?”

            Clue: Not everyone believes it to be a baaaaaabbbbbbbeeeeee. For some it is a PROCESS that has a beginning, middle, and end. As a tire sitting on the assembly line is NOT a car, a car can come out at the end of the process.

            Paleeze don’t come out with that tired “it’s human DNA” claim. It is human DNA, but PLANS for a house are not a house. PLANS (DNA) for a human being are NOT a human being.

            It’s that simple.

            BTW, if you claim it’s a “human being” then define what a human being is and tell us why when it is in a woman it is a human being.

            Start with defining: What is a human being?

            Rob

          • Vicki

            Robert Smith says:

            Not everyone believes it to be a baaaaaabbbbbbbeeeeee. For some it is a PROCESS that has a beginning, middle, and end. As a tire sitting on the assembly line is NOT a car, a car can come out at the end of the process.

            So if you are murdered today we should not bother with who or why because they were just ending the process you called your life?

            Paleeze don’t come out with that tired “it’s human DNA” claim. It is human DNA, but PLANS for a house are not a house. PLANS (DNA) for a human being are NOT a human being.

            The plans for a house are expressed on pieces of paper that do not become part of the house. Usually :). The building blocks of a house are used to build a house.

            DNA is/are the building blocks of a human not the plans for a human. The plans are encoded into the building blocks. A marvelous piece of engineering.

            BTW, if you claim it’s a “human being” then define what a human being is and tell us why when it is in a woman it is a human being.

            It is in a woman because that is the house that God created to protect the child during the first ~9 months of life.

            Human being: The living creature whose process of living begins with the fertilization of an egg (usually inside another of the species) and progresses to the state recognizable as a member of that species.

            To recognize a member of that species start here:
            http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human

          • APN

            …..and how dare you Rob force your liberal GOD hating Marxist BS on me, like tax paid abortions.

            You want to commit murder, have at it, your consequence, not mine. DO NOT EXPECT me to participate.

          • Robert Smith

            From YOUR source Vicki: “Humans are bipedal, which means they walk on two legs. Humans have a complex brain, which lets them use language, make ideas, and feel emotions. This brain, and the fact that arms are not needed for walking, lets humans use tools, which they do more than any other species.”

            Particularly early in pregnancy what is gestating doesn’t have two brain cells to rub together. It is at the beginning of the process, conception.

            From your description that has arms and legs in it are you sure you want to commit that a soldger wounded in war is less of a “human being?” Is a thalamide kid (modified by a drug and a brutal god) a “human being?”

            I think your “definition” is unsatisfactory.

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            APN says: “You want to commit murder, have at it, your consequence, not mine. DO NOT EXPECT me to participate.”

            I don’t want to participate in wars started by Bush lying to us. I’m still an American and I pay.

            My guess is you aren’t American enough to accept things when you don’t like ‘em.

            Oh, and it ain’t “murder” except in YOUR religious or extreme right wing rhetoric. Abortion is mostly legal in most of America.

            Rob

          • Vivian

            A “fetus” has a heartbeat on day 12. It is a person who has the right to live. If they don’t want to have children then they need to abstain from sex or take precautions. Don’t teach children that it is ok to have sex before they are of an age to take on the responsibility of their actions. The adults should know the consequenses of unprotected sex, either abstain or get protection. In a world where there are so many things that you can catch having sex without protection is not like playing russian roulete. Have unprotected sex std and/or pregnances. Stop making more babies to MURDER, or use condoms.

          • Joe H.

            robbie,
            i think even you would agree that a one day old is a person, right? well what about the late term abortions where a child is partially delivered and a pair of sissors are plunged into the brain of said CHILD to murder it??? That child, i most cases will survive outside the woumb, hence the sissors!! THAT is, without a doubt, MURDER OF A CHILD, but it is, as you say, legal in some states.

        • Debra K

          Liberals believe in choice as long as someone else pays for it. If a person want’s anything in life then find a way to pay for it, simple. My choice is not to contribute to anything I don’t beleive in, especially to silly liberal causes that want to force me against my will through taxation.

          • Robert Smith

            Debra claims: “My choice is not to contribute to anything I don’t beleive in, especially to silly liberal causes that want to force me against my will through taxation.”

            My choice is to not contribute to a war George W. Bush lied to America to start and let run for so many years.

            It’s America. We both gotta pay taxes. I suggest you get over it and yourself.

            Rob

          • Const40

            So, you have no problem paying for Mr. o’s undeclared wars in the Middle East though. Interesting.

            I support my own rights to practice my religion freely without government intervention. I don’t demand that you or anyone else follows my religious beliefs. Just don’t deny me mine. You want to support infanticide, that’s your right. Don’t force me to do it because you believe its OK. Its not the governments job to decide my religious practice. LIFE Liberty etc..

          • eddie47d

            I can go to church without interfering with anyone elses beliefs and my wife has never had an abortion. Now if you want the government to stay out of the abortion issue then why are Christian Conservatives demanding the government stop abortions. Why do Christian (Muslims too) Conservatives enact state laws in government that want to prosecute women for having an abortion? Why do they want government rules to favor “their side”. In other words it is a government issue because each side demands that the government gets involved.

          • Vicki

            Eddie47d writes:

            “Now if you want the government to stay out of the abortion issue then why are Christian Conservatives demanding the government stop abortions.”

            I rather thought the point is that we DO want government to be in the abortion issue. We want government to do its job. In case you are confused about what that job is let me refresh your memory.

            “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,…”
            http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html

            Hence the government must be involved in protecting the child’s right to life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness just as you expect government to be involved when someone tries to murder you.

            Why do Christian (Muslims too) Conservatives enact state laws in government that want to prosecute women for having an abortion?

            Cause murder is well.. murder.

          • GregS

            eddie47d says:

            “Why do Christian (Muslims too) Conservatives enact state laws in government that want to prosecute women for having an abortion?”

            Eddie, in this country, there has never been a law that directly proscutes the woman for having an abortion. It has always been against the abortionist. If there were ever such a law, I would never support it. The woman is the second victim of every abortion.

        • RichE

          Your last sentence sums it up, thank you. I’m beginning to think the Far-Right should be called the Kool-Aid crowd.

        • Bob from SoCal

          Hello Flashy,
          You said “Why can’t they let people decide on their own without someone screaming moralistic rantings which are not shared by over 50% of the people.

          I mean, c’mon. Preach independence, Rights, etc on one hand, yet insist on imposing moral values on those who do not share those values.”

          You don’t really give a dam about rights do you. For example, what about my rights to keep my child. All of these decisions to abort or not, fall with the woman. I wanted to keep my baby, but she didn’t. So I lose my right to my child due to a lack of moral values. The father should have rights also, not just the mother. Regardless of who’s body it is.

          One of the biggest problems in this country is a lack of moral values. There are way too many worshiping pleasure instead of the God that created them.

          • Karolyn

            Bob – You do have a point; however, the woman is the one who has to carry for nine months and go through all the attendant changes, which, especially in an unwanted pregnancy must be a terrible experience. Not knowing your circumstances, no one can judge. I would say, though, that the burden ultimately falls on the woman.

          • Joe H.

            karolyn,
            like Isaid to you the other night, you want to have your cake and eat it too. the man has no say in an abortion, the man has to pay support if the woman decides to keep the child, the man, in most cases, doesn’t have any say in who gets to raise the child. The woman gets to use the man, rake him over the coals, keep his child hostage from him and then toss him away like a forgotten toy!! Whether you believe it or not karolyn, there are some very good men out there that love and nurture their kids as good and sometimes better than women!!

      • libertytrain

        Vicki, Ben does say it was temporary in the last paragraph or so.

    • eddie47d

      Your tax money is not funding abortion Stan and nothing has been proven. So apparently you believe that some entity is guilty before the facts are out. Those who declare guilt before an issue is settled is the bigger danger to society and nothing more than a lynch mob. Women have been voluntarily going to Planned Parenthood for many decades. They made a choice to take care of their health and you want to stop them. You don’t want them going to emergency rooms for needed health care yet you want to destroy an organization that has helped them for years. The right has had a war on women for centuries so why don’t some of you come out into the light and finally allow a woman to chose her own destiny. Planned Parenthood gives women the help they need and when they need it. Attacking Planned Parenthood makes the right look like shallow uncaring bullies who want to stop abortion by any means possible. Even if it means that a woman has to die because of right wing delay tactics. Even if her right and responsibility for her own family means nothing to you. You keep insisting you are in charge of this woman’s life when all she wants is your understanding of HER situation in life. Since the Republican Party is the one who advocates for this witch hunt against women and want to be the ultimate controller of their lives then shame on them. You don’t have to like abortion and should keep it out of your life but you should also have the decency to respect another woman’s choice without having to torment her.

      • libertytrain
        • Robert Smith

          So much propaganda. Who gets to define the goals of Planned Parenthood?

          PP itself or right wing screechers with a political / religious agenda?

          I’ll go with what Planned Parenthood says and NOT go along with extremists.

          Rob

        • Joe H.

          Eddie,
          I’ll ask you again. You have a hole in the front of a boat and you have a hole in the rear. water is comming in BOTH holes. It intermingles. How do you determine which water came in the front and which came in the back?? when they recieve tax money for WHATEVER, it frees other money up for abortions!!! In that context, my tax money is supporting ABORTION and I am religeously and diametrically against abortion except in the case of rape, incest or TRUE danger to the mothers life, and I don’t mean danger to her ability to party!! the constitution guarantees the government will make no law abridging my right to religeous freedom, so they can not demand my tax money go to support abortions!!

          • Robert Smith

            But you are more than willing to CRUSH the religious freedoms of those who don’t agree with your goose stepping prevention of abortion and are willing to let each woman decide.

            After all, FREEDOM can be part of religion. Didn’t that there brutal christian god give everyone free will? Who are YOU to take it away? Playing god?

            Rob

          • Joe H.

            give it up robbie, WRITE THE CHECK!!!

      • eddie47d

        Dollar amounts don’t prove anything for one thing and the other thing libertytrain your article showed that PP also offers adoption services if a woman chooses to carry to term. She still has that right to choose her conscience and what is best for her family planning. Why do you insist on making it about YOU instead of about the person making HER decision.

        • libertytrain

          Eddie Sweetie I was commenting with a link re your assertion that NO TAX DOLLARS ARE USED for abortions. I don’t see how that makes it about me…I was just correcting your error. I’m well aware of all the things Planned Parenthood does. This sentence right now is about me – I’m a mom a few times over, I think I understand these things far far better than you or rob smith ever could, ever would.

        • eddie47d

          I don’t believe you proved your point on the tax dollars being used.

          • libertytrain

            then obviously you didn’t read the article. That I can’t help.

          • libertytrain

            One small hint is it is funded by GOVERNMENT grant money. Where oh where do you think the government gets the money to fund the grants that make up 30% of Planned Parenthood income.. Oh, that’s right, taxes….oh my goodness go figure….who pays those taxes. Oh, me, maybe you and lots of other people.
            “A major portion of grant money is coming directly from tax payers. These revenues are being collected and redistributed to state and local programs and to individuals that require financial support to operate a business”
            http://www.prlog.org/10109255-where-does-grant-money-come-from.html

    • Robert Smith

      From Stan: ” If they believe PP uses some Tax $$ to provide abortion, then Susan G. Komen Foundation does have the rights to pull the plug! ”

      Belief is NOT fact. It’s that simple.

      PP often is the ONLY medical care available in some neighborhoods. It’s not about abortion but a wide variety of reproductive health care issues.

      Rob

      • Lode

        I guess it is a good thing that a person cannot be convicted on belief rather than fact. Oh wait the prisons are full of people convicted on circumstantial evidence and not one singal piece of actual evidence.

        • Robert Smith

          That doesn’t makke it right to deny the facts about Planned Parenthood and go with made up beliefs.

          Rob

        • Joe H.

          robbie,
          SGK is a CANCER charity, not a planned parenthood charity. Any money they collect from people under the guise of searching for a cure to Breast cancer should go to THAT! Anything else is misrepresentation!!!

      • Dennis48e

        robert smith. The Susan G. Komen Foundation has the right to pull the plug anytime they please. Once the money is given to them it is theirs to do with in any legal way they want.

        • Robert Smith

          Yup, and it didn’t take them long to figure out that folks would donate to PP directly without them in the middle. AND!, it’s clear that donations would be reduced because of the religious / political actions of a former Bush appointee.

          IOW, the decision was NOT made by the organization but by an individual. When it was clear the impact was reduced funding for them she was quickly reversed.

          Rob

    • wandamurline

      First and foremost, I have donated to Komen for years and I did not know that they were fundling my money to PP. Now that has come out, there are millions of us who do not believe in abortion that will go elsewhere with their contributions. And then, you find out that PP doesn’t really do breast exams, they refer them out….so why give them any money to begin with, unless you want to help them kill innocent babies. I will no longer contribut to Komen until they have the sense and gonads to tell these progressive liberal baby murders to kiss of and stop this insanity.

      • GregS

        Excellent point, wandamurline! I’m with you on that. Of course, no one will hear about it over the news, because the lamestream news media will try to cover it up.

      • Karolyn

        As part of gynecological exams, PP DOES do manual breast exams.

        • DaveR

          A lot of good those do! Yes, better than nothing, but likely to identify cases that are rather advanced.

          Is PP teaching all women who come in how to do a self-examination?

          • Karolyn

            I would assume they do. I believe I learned how to do that when I had my first exam. Any good medical practitioner would make sure a woman knew how. Manual examination is the first line of defense, and most of the women I have known who had lumps found them first without a mammogram. Mammograms are not the be-all and end-all and may, in fact, pose a risk of the patient getting breast cancer.
            http://abcnews.go.com/Health/WellnessNews/dr-marie-mammograms-good-idea/story?id=6824014

          • eddie47d

            Dave; Our local and highest rated TV station (ch 9) has a Buddy Check 9 on the 9th of each month. They have been doing this for years and encourages women to do self exams or to go to a clinic.There are plenty of cancers out there for men and women and screening should be encouraged whether by Planned Parenthood,Komen or you local hospital. Time to join together instead of dividing these groups apart.

          • Joe H.

            karolyn,
            When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me!!! don’t assume! you have been claiming to KNOW so much about PP yet you don’t know THAT???

      • Liztalk

        Planned Parenthood’s services are 99% breast cancer screenings and pap smears tests to screen for cervical cancer – and other screenings (like STDs) and family planning. Their mammograms and follow up care are why Komen funds them. Please continue to give to Komen- it’s a good cause. And so is Planned Parenthood.

        • Rebecca

          Liz, where did those stats come from? What is the ratio of routine GYN exams vs Abortions performed at PP each year? If you believe it is 99% to 1 you have drank PP koolaid!

          • Robert Smith

            Or you’ve drank the kool aid from the extreme right.

            BTW, the ripe Rev. Jones did NOT serve kool aid. Check your history on that one.

            Oops, another christian in a mass killing. So much for it being universally pro-life.

            BTW, if you are pro-life how’s come you don’t support universal health care that will save many lives? Are you one of those who is in’t the genocide of the poor in America?

            Rob

            Rob

          • Rebecca

            You replied to me but didn’t answer my question…where did those stats come from?

            Don’t you dare lump all Christians into one catagory by comparing us to Jim Jones. He was a sick dictator who hid behind religion. He started off preaching Christianity but in the end it was he who demanded to be worshipped. “Koolaid” is just a metaphor. Check your history.

            Just because you are a marxist does that make you comparable to Hitler?

          • Robert Smith

            Quit making stuff up Rebecca. I’m NOT a marxist.

            Rob

          • Rebecca

            You quit making up stuff. Bible Believing Christians are not Jim Jones followers.

          • Robert Smith

            From Rebecca: ” Bible Believing Christians are not Jim Jones followers.”

            What about David Koresh? He did a lot of reading from that there bible.

            What about Springer and and Kramer, the authors of the Malleus Maleficarum? I read the part in your bible about not suffering witches.

            Oh, was Martain Luther King a christian?

            Seems to me YOU don’t get to define it for anyone but yourself. And I get to watch ‘em all.

            Rob

          • Rebecca

            You just answered your own question “David Koresh read your Bible”…just because he read it didn’t mean he believed it or lived by it….you said you had read it and didn’t believe it either.

            I happen to believe it which make’s me a Bible Believing Christian. There’s the difference.

          • Liztalk

            Rebecca, Here are the stats. I’m sorry I was a little off – 97% of all services provided by Planned Parenthood are contraception and various healthcare services like breast cancer and STD screenings.

            Here are some links:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood

            http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/

            As for Kool-Aid… The facts are the facts. And Planned Parenthood doesn’t care what religion or political party you come from. And breast or cervical cancer knows no discrimination.

        • Rebecca

          And that data came from where? Planned Parenthood.

          • Liztalk

            PP is required to keep records and report federally. And I provided a link above to Factcheck.org which is a separate organization, NOT from Planned Parenthood. But of course, you won’t believe anything that doesn’t fit into your preconceived beliefs to support your own agenda. Why let facts get in the way, huh?

            The important FACT here is that breast cancer affects people of ALL political views and religions. And any organization that works to prevent or find a cure should be supported. And an organization that provides contraception and family planning to low income should especially be supported – because contraception prevents more unwanted pregnancies and thereby prevents more abortions.

    • http://al@bellaproducts.com al metcalf

      If the Kommen group really wants to find the cure for breast cancer they need to look no further that the FDA and the Agribusiness lobby. Get rid of the vegetable oils that are sold as replacement products for Butter, Lard and Tallow and that are in every prepackaged food sold over the counter and you will see a whole host of cancer problems disappear as well as hormonal problems, ADD and ADHD, Prostate Problems, Diabetes, both type 1 and 2. Almost all of these Hydrogenated Vegetable Oils are poison to our bodies and the worst is the one that is used most. Soybean oil is the widest used of the bunch and to add insult to injury this is the same bean that is used in infant formula manufacturing. And we are wondering why the incidence of Juvenile Diabetes is on the rise.
      Wake up folks! Remember DES in the late thirties, this wonder drug that was to prevent early term abortion and instead created girls that could not hold a pregnancy because of a malformed uterus and created boys who grew up to be men that committed suicide in their forties because of gender problems. This DES was later figured out what it really was, it turned out to be a super Estrogen. But it affected some 22 million babies from 1939 through 1966 before anyone had a clue that there was a problem.
      Well we now have a problem that started back in the 30s again and it is Vegetable Oil, that wonderful cure for Cholestral except as it turns out it is a bigger problem than Cholestral ever was, it is creating the Obese Generation with hundreds of mental and health problems due to the poisonous effects of the oil on our growing children and maturing and aging adults. Get involved and lobby Congress to investigate this issue as we are once again in crisis.

  • Dave

    The CEO had an agenda to defund PP because of abortion which, now follow me here right wing loons, is legal to perform!!

    Abortion is only a small part of what PP does and this CEO (right wing Republican) wanted her agenda to be put forth… Well, she is not dictator of the organization. People inside Komen disagreed and women across the country gave PP 3M dollars to stop the right wing agenda which is to limit contraception, to stop abortion and to prevent women from getting information BEFORE they get pregnant.

    The right wing loons disagree with even to have BC covered under the new HC law due to complete ignorance. I guess somehow its cheaper to have a baby a person is not ready for or wants then to have BC.

    Handel will be fired soon and it is another blow to the anti-freedom, big brother in the bedroom agenda of the GOP and the right.

    • James

      When there are more abortions than live births, something has terribly and tragically gone wrong. There may be a need for abortions under some circumstances, such as in the case of rape or to save the mother’s life, but these wholesale abortions are nothing less than a holocaust.

      • Dave

        James,

        Do you have data to back up the assertion of more abortions than live births?

        The last data I have on teens shows per 1000 teens the birthrate is 54.4. The abortion rate is 29.2 in the United States. So by the info I see, the human race is not in danger of extinction due to abortion. We have more to fear from overpopulation than abortion.

        Abortion isn’t as simple as some people want to make it out to be (Especially ignorant right wing males) Not saying you are one of those people but they do not get it is a difficult decision to have an abortion and its equally difficult to deal with the emotional effects after the abortion. Maybe if these anti-choice zealots would concentrate of the underlying economic factors that is a major causation for why women get abortions, then maybe less abortions would occur and maybe we could stop most abortions in the first place. But that takes thought and work… Neither is a right wing hallmark.

        • Debra K

          Why don’t you get it straight Dave, I’m pro life, the only time I’m anti choice is when someone expects me to pay for their choices. Get it?

          • Dave

            Deb,

            Sorry you are anti-Choice and in this country we all pay for things we do not agree with. I don’t agree with the wars and farm subsidies yet my taxes go to fund both. I don’t agree with conservative states leaching off states like CA, IL and NY when you look how much states like KY, AL, SC, AZ pay into the federal Gov compared to how much they get back.
            Is called being part of a country that always does not agree with your so-called morals.

      • Robert Smith

        Dave suggests: “When there are more abortions than live births, something has terribly and tragically gone wrong.”

        Fortunately you are wrong, Dave.

        What has gone “tragically” wrong is that age appropriate sex education has been thwarted in schools by the loony extreme right. Birth control products have been restricted anywhere they can restrict it.

        PP is responsible for REDUCING abortion than any other organization by putting forth birth control information and products.

        If you are truly anti-abortion (and not just a right wing nut) then you too would join those of us who advicate that birth control is a far better option than abortion.

        Rob

        • Dave

          Rob, that is James that made that assertion and not me.

          • Robert Smith

            Sorry.

            Didn’t a thread just go by that 20% of pregnancies end in abortion? If that’s the case 80% proceed naturally (or not).

            Where is the wild claim of 50% from?

            Rob

      • mikeles

        James,
        The data I found showed about 1.3 million abortions/year, since 1973, and as low as about 3.1 million births/year up to 2008 and there are now about 4.1 million births/year.

        Yes, I wish there were fewer abortions, but there are no where near “more abortions than live births” in the USA.

        The use of more level-headed facts and less emotional rhetoric would go a long way toward more civilized discussion and less epithet filled accusation.

    • Dagney

      Maybe it’s not such a bad idea letting the “left-wing loons” abort themselves out of existence……just sayin’ :-)

      • eddie47d

        If the population keeps growing around the world (another 1 billion in ten years)you may be the one with the bigger problem. If you think there are alot of wars now just wait and see as this burgeoning growth encroaches upon other peoples territories. If you love shantytowns now you’ll love them even more in the near future. How is that a benefit for those on the right or the left? When people feel trapped with no where to go they eventually strike out and become aggressive even if they are only looking for a job. How is Mexico working out for you and how does it effect our society. Many countries around the world have an even bigger task at hand in containing their citizens and can’t provide jobs or even basic drinking water. Women and children always take the brunt of the abuse when poverty takes over. Why do those on the right always think it’s not their problem in how populations grow and then insist that a woman can’t have any control over her misery.

    • Debra K

      Big brother in the bedroom are the liberals who feel it’s their right to take your money and spend it in any way they see fit.
      Americans are waking up to the fact that we need to starve the beast of our hard earned money.
      Abortion is legal, use your own money to have one.

      • Dave

        Deb,

        With respect… you are full of it…Liberals do not push for bans on entering into a legal contract (marriage) because a person is homosexual. That is your side. It is your side that pushes sex ed OUT of the classroom so we can continue to enjoy more out of wedlock births than Europe.

        The 1500′s are over… Come and join us here in 2012.

      • Robert Smith

        From Debra: “Big brother in the bedroom are the liberals who feel it’s their right to take your money and spend it in any way they see fit.”

        I don’t want to pay for any BIRTHS that are the result of any woman carrying to term who doesn’t want to do so.

        It’s MY tax money too. Quit trying to tell ‘em how to spend what I send in if you don’t want them to spend it in ways you dasapprove of.

        Rob

        • Joe H.

          robbie,
          dig a little deeper into the law!!! It is against the law to use Tax money to fund abortions!! supreme court ruling, BTW!!

    • wandamurline

      Killing the unborn may be legal, but is it moral to do so? I have no problem with the day after pill or contraceptives….I do have a problem with sucking a baby’s brain out….I cannot fanthom anyone who could say that this is moral. There would be no need for abortion if people would be responsible for their sexual activities and use protection….why should an innocent die because of someone else’s irresponsibility?

      • Robert Smith

        From wandamurline: “I do have a problem with sucking a baby’s brain out….I cannot fanthom anyone who could say that this is moral.”

        Later term abortions are generally of WANTED fetuses. It is a horror for a woman to face such a loss. I think it is immoral for you to limit the medical procedures the doctor can use when things go horrifically wrong and a pregnancy needs to be terminated to save the life or health of the woman.

        Why should she be sentenced to carry a non-viable fetus one minute longer than needed?

        Sadly not all pregnancies go according to plan.

        Rob

        • Rebecca

          Rob,

          Ok…I gotta stop you from blabbering another minute about something you know NOTHING about. That is obvious from your statement, “Most late term abortions were WANTED pregnancies”. Where in the heck did you come up with that? Why would someone who wanted their baby…a baby which would otherwise be born live have a late term abortion??? That doesn’t even make sense. If you are talking about termination of a pregnancy when the baby has a neural tube defect like anencephaly (part or all of the brain is missing)….that procedure has never been illegal and is generally necessary in preserving the life of the mother. In those cases the baby cannot live outside the womb because the brain is absent and only the mother’s body is sustaining life.

          Get your facts straight before posting.

          • Robert Smith

            Here is the source: http://www.womensenews.org/story/campaign-trail/041028/late-term-abortion-saved-these-womens-lives

            “All three women told legislators they owed their health to late-term abortions and that a continuation of their doomed pregnancies posed grave health risks such as stroke, paralysis, infertility or even death.”

            Here are some facts about one: “In March of that year, Watts was in the eighth month of a much-wanted pregnancy and was eagerly anticipating the birth of her first child. During a routine ultrasound (the only way to detect abnormalities that require late-term abortion), she discovered her baby had Trisomy 13, a chromosomal abnormality that causes severe deformities and carries no hope of survival.”

            The other two stories are on the website. I can bring back more stories but I think the point is that later term abortions are NOT generally frivilious.

            To deny such women under such circumstances the best procedure reccomended by their doctors IMO is criminal.

            Rob

          • Rebecca

            Rob,

            A Trisomy 13 IS Anencephaly. Do some research. As I said in my post, nobody is trying to deny a woman the right to terminate that very unfortunate type of pregnancy. And by the way…anencephaly or Trisomy 13 can be detected sometimes as early as 17 weeks but certainly by 20 weeks gestation. In any event, this procedure has never been illegal for if that pregnancy is carried to term fluid can build up in the intra-cranial space where the brain would have been and cause the head to swell to the point that delivery would be dangerous to the mother. Nobody would consider termination of such a pregnancy immoral.

            You, Rob, are just grasping at straws to try and throw rocks at Pro-life readers. And once again…blabbering about something you know nothing about.

          • Robert Smith

            From Rebecca: “And by the way…anencephaly or Trisomy 13 can be detected sometimes as early as 17 weeks but certainly by 20 weeks gestation.”

            Really? Without universal health care just how is such going to be paid for in the case of poor women?

            The fact is that it would be a LOT cheaper overall with early testing. Help me make it easier.

            Rob

          • Rebecca

            Medicaid recipients get the same prenatal testing as private pay patients.

          • Robert Smith

            So are you accepting universal health care for pregnent women and their born kids?

            Like I’ve posted many times: The extreme right just doesn’t care ’bout ‘em after they are born. Are all poor women elegible for medicare?

            Rob

          • Rebecca

            Nope. I don’t support ObamaCare. Medicare takes care of millions before and after they are born. ALLKIDS is a free healthcare plan for children. It works pretty well except there needs to be better screening processes for those who are on this type of relief.

            So basically your way of thinking sounds to me like “If they are poor let’s kill them before they are born and become a burden on the government”…..and you aren’t Marxist?? Wow…

          • Joe H.

            GEE, robbie!! Three whole ladies out of the tens of thousands that have been performed??? There have been MANY, MANY late term abortions done that the child was viable!!! Get your BS straight, dip wad!!!

    • Lode

      Just had a brilliant thought. If you don’t want to have to do maintenance on a home you rent an apartment, if you don’t want to take care of animals you don’t get any, or if you can’t take care of a garden you don’t plant one. How about IF YOU DON’T WANT OR CAN’T TAKE CARE OF A CHILD SIMPLY DON’T MAKE ONE. bELIEVE IT OR NOT ECONOMIC FACTORS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH GETTING PREGNANT. SEX DOES. If you want to have sex and a baby is created pay the price the same as if you speed and get a ticket you don’t just say nah I don’t really want this ticket.

      • Robert Smith

        Another lode: “Just had a brilliant thought. ”

        Maybe by YOUR evaluation, but it just doesn’t seem to have much of a relationship to reality.

        Sex is more than procreation. Look at how many times one can have sex during their lives and just how many times a pregnancy results.

        If your god didn’t want folks to enjoy sex so much why did he make it feel so good? BTW, if it is “intelligent design” why does the sewer run through the playground?

        Rob

        • Joe H.

          robbie,
          What? I didn’t know YOU ran through the local kids playground!!

    • GregS

      Dave says:

      “Abortion is only a small part of what PP does…”

      Wrong! Planned Parenthood made that assertion several months ago to shift attention away from the following facts:

      - They are the largest abortion provider in the galaxy.

      - They have just mandated that all of their regional affiliates must provide abortions by the end of 2013.

      - They are currently pushing chemical abortions “administered” via webcam as a way of making sure any commendable declines in number of abortions are reversed.

      - They are currently in the process of building mega-abortion clinics the size of palaces throughout the country.

      - They recently tried to claim that only 3% of their “services” were devoted to abortion, but it turns out that for every abortion patient that walks into a Planned Parenthood clinic, five to ten non-abortion “services” are bundled with that abortion (e.g. the pregnancy test and the counseling that leads to the abortion, Rh testing, ultrasound, STD testing, the HPV vaccine, a take-home pack of contraceptives, etc.). These other “services” are each counted separately, even though they are connected to the abortion. Thus, abortion and abortion-related “services” account for a much bigger piece of the pie than just 3%, probably closer to 15-20%.

      The fact is that roughly one third of Planned Parenthood’s clinic-level income comes from abortions.

      Dave says:

      “…women across the country gave PP 3M dollars to stop the right wing agenda…”

      How do you know that all or part of that money didn’t come from people like George Soros? After all, it was people like him who cried loudly when the news about SGK’s decision first came out.

      Furthermore, Planned Parenthood is notorious for telling lies and exagerating, just like they did when they cooked the books so that they could claim that only 3% of their “services” were devoted to abortion.

      Dave says:

      “…big brother in the bedroom agenda…”

      Dave, abortions aren’t performed in the bedroom!

      • Dave

        Ok Greg S, Here is Ezra Klien from the Washington Post

        With Planned Parenthood being either the major obstacle to a budget deal or one of the major obstacles to a budget deal, it’s worth taking a minute explaining what they do — and what they don’t do.

        As you can see in the chart atop this post, abortion services account for about 3 percent of Planned Parenthood’s activities. That’s less than cancer screening and prevention (16 percent), STD testing for both men and women (35 percent), and contraception (also 35 percent). About 80 percent of Planned Parenthood’s users are over age 20, and 75 percent have incomes below 150 percent of the poverty line. Planned Parenthood itself estimates it prevents more than 620,000 unintended pregnancies each year, and 220,000 abortions. It’s also worth noting that federal law already forbids Planned Parenthood from using the funds it receives from the government for abortions.

        So though the fight over Planned Parenthood might be about abortion, Planned Parenthood itself isn’t about abortion. It’s primarily about contraception and reproductive health. And if Planned Parenthood loses funding, what will mainly happen is that cancer screenings and contraception and STD testing will become less available to poorer people. Folks with more money, of course, have many other ways to receive all these services, and tend to get them elsewhere already.

        The fight also isn’t about cutting spending. The services Planned Parenthood provides save the federal government a lot of money. It’s somewhat cold to put it in these terms, but taxpayers end up bearing a lot of the expense for unintended pregnancies among people without the means to care for their children. The same goes for preventable cancers and sexually transmitted diseases such as HIV/AIDS. You can find a lot more information about Planned Parenthood and its services here.

        ———–

        So your nonsense is debunked

        ———–

        Planned Parenthood is notorious for lying? Really? So glad the right wing religious wackos never lie about anything… Care to offer up some of those “lies”

        ————————–

        “Abortions aren’t performed in the bedroom”

        Correct Capt Obvious… Nothing gets past you does it? The point just went by… you missed it.

        • GregS

          Dave says:

          “So your nonsense is debunked”

          It’s NOT “nonsense”, and it’s NOT “debunked.” I explained to you how that 3% figure was obtained. READ THE POST.

          • Dave

            You are an ideolog bent on forcing your view of morality onto others and you cite ZERO, NADA, ZILTCH sources for your numbers.

            Your sad attempt has failed.

            Now go find the missing Obama birth certificate

          • GregS

            Dave says:

            “Your sad attempt has failed.”

            I think not. Here are the details.

          • Robert Smith

            Why didn’t you actually put the web address on the post rather than hiding it?

            Could it be this?: http://www.nationalrighttolifenews.org/NewsOnline/April-May2011/QandAOBannon.html

            Could it be that National Right to Life just doesn’t have any credibility? After all, if you don’t believe the words of PP why should anyone believe that right wing organization?

            BTW, it sure looks like deceit to me when you didn’t post the link directly.

            Rob

          • GregS

            Robert, I had NO intention of “hiding” the web address from anyone. I simply wanted to minimize the clutter in the post and save a little space. If you don’t believe me, that’s YOUR problem. Besides, anyone with at least half a brain would know that when the mouse is passed over the link before clicking on it, the web address shows up in the status bar of your browser.

            Now, with regard to the credibility of National Right To Life and the article that I used as a reference, ALL of the data came directly from Planned Parenthood’s own publications. You’d have noticed this if you would have actually gone to that website, because the article points to Planned Parenthood websites in virtually all of it’s references. Therefore, any data that would not be correct, would be the fault of Planned Parenthood, NOT National Right To Life.

            So, Robert, next time READ THE REFERENCE(S) provided, so that you can provide constructive comments for discussion, rather than cynical comments, which reflect your lack of intellegence.

        • Joe H.

          Again Capt. ignorant ignores the fact that books or figures can be cooked!! Those figures don’t mean crap!! They perform a great many abortions and THAT is ALL i need to know! They will not recieve ANY money from me or mine and neither will SGK as long as they fund PP!

    • Dennis48e

      “The CEO had an agenda to defund PP because of abortion which, now follow me here right wing loons, is legal to perform!!”

      Doesn’t matter it is the Komen Foundations money once it is given to them and they can spend it in any legal way they desire and can deny any other organization access the their money.

      • Dave

        Thats true Dennis and when Mrs handel gets thrown out on her ear, that will be what Komen wanted to do as well.

        • Robert Smith

          The ex Bush appointee has been tossed out on her ear.

          The organization realized that it can’t allign itself with the extreme right.

          Rob

    • Vicki

      Dave says:

      The CEO had an agenda to defund PP because of abortion which, now follow me here right wing loons, is legal to perform!!

      Ignoring for the moment the ad hominem attack let us consider the theory that if it is legal to perform then it must be ok. What is your position on honor killings?
      http://iranhr.net/spip.php?mot9

      • Dave

        Vicki,

        I want to see an end to abortion as a practice of BC. But stopping abortion does not happen with making it illegal does it? There are so much more issues here that just PP or Komen. Do you wish to tackle those?
        Fetuses, do not have SSN’s, they are not counted as a person if you are driving in HOV lanes… They are not sentient beings. Until we value family, taking care of the country first over selfish wants and desires and we discuss human sexuality in a real way, Abortion will be with us. As it is today, I leave it to women to make choicesover their own bodies and destinys.

    • Joe H.

      No Dave, they did it because they use tax money to fund them, which BTW is illegal under the law!!! Get with the case, bud!!

  • James

    People should watch the movie expose of the pink ribbon campaign, which is titled, “Pink Ribbons, Inc.” You will then see that the whole thing is nothing but a money-making machine, a cash cow. In 40 years the cancer mortality rate for breast cancer has not come down ONE IOTA! The research funded is uncoordinated, and often duplicated. We don’t even know what’s causing breast cancer, so we don’t know how to cure it. In the meantime, corporations are cashing in on the pink ribbon campaign. Women are marching, running, dressing up like idiots–all for nothing. Women are told that “early detection” is the key, when the truth is that some cancers are so aggressive that by the time they’re detected, it’s too late. The campaign makes it seem like it’s a woman’s fault when she has terminal cancer. A lot of women are very bitter about this campaign. The best thing we can do is to “de-pink” the campaign to cure cancer, and to raise money for coordinated research–not for corporation coffers!

    • former walmart person

      The war on cancer is a joke until we can reduce, control, or eliminate the agricultural and pharmaceutcal industrial complex. We have an FDA that wages a vicious war on natural supplements but lets things like GMOs and drugs run wild and free. Back in the 50s, doctors would travel for miles to see a kid with cancer because it was a rare case, now children everywhere have cancer. Its only going to get worse until we stand up to the corporations and what they are doing to us. As an enjoyer of modern society, I am willing to suffer an increased probabilty of cancer to get out of the caves and lion skin clothing, and enjoy my TVs, radio, microwaves, video games, etc., but the increases in cancer far surpass what little should be expected from modern society / modern chemicals. Do research on this topic. If the big food companies can make us sick and get cancer, that helps the big drug companies. Its all about money. period.

      • wandamurline

        Don’t forget to throw in all of the foods that are now imported from foreign countries, i.e. China, Thailand, Mexico and hundreds of others….all coming to your favorite food store….mainly Wall Mart. Look at the ground beef and other beef…it is a mixture of beef from the US, Mexico, Canada, Paraguay, and a couple of other countries. Read your labels….the country of origin must be printed on the package…of course, they print it so small you need a microscope to see it, but it is there. I have found that smaller stores, like my local grocery have more vegetables, meat, and packaged foods that are USA produced. Our standards may not be up to your recommendations, but they are a heck of a lot better than fish from Thailand and China…talk about gross and filthy. If China has no problem with putting lead on your dishes and on your baby’s crib and toys, and killing your pets with poisoned food, do you think they would care about your health? Be smart, research the label before you purchase your food…the only foreign food I eat are bananas, sometimes an avacado from Mexico and coffee from Columbia.

        • Joe H.

          Wanda,
          i also eat mangoes from other countries. i peel them so i’m not worries about insecticides. Buy one, take the seed and push it into some potting soil and you will see why I’ll eat them. No Genetically modified, they sprout and grow!

  • Karolyn

    Why is it that when conservatives see “Planned Parenthood”, they think “abortion” rather than “low-cost healthcare for women’s issues”. Which is primarily what PP is all about. Without Planned Parenthood, a host of women would not be able to get yearly exams, including cervical cancer screening and manual breast exams. I don’t care about Margaret Sanger or what her thoughts were. All I know is from experience, and PP is extremely helpul to women. Do you think all the women who work for PP have had abortions and are into eugenics? I would beg to differ. They are regular people, just like anybody else – Women with kids, without kids, married, single, pregnant, etc. Just women dedicated to helping women.

    • bamaliberal

      Because evangelical conservatives have no depth of field in their vision or brains.

      • former walmart person

        I agree whole heartily with you on the belief that if you don’t do x, y, or z you go straight to eternal hell. I beleive the concept of eternal damnation was thrown into the bible to cower the illeterate peasants in the middle ages and throw all power behind the church. Anyway, one thing I always thought was kind of stupid also is how aeitheists tend to favor abortion. If you are aetheist, than you beleive you have one physical life and then its game over when you die. That makes your one life all the more precious. So if you abort a fetus you are deniying that one life that person would have before facing eternal oblivion. If anything, being religious would seem to support abortion, since it would esentially be like hitting “reset” on a video game console. You just go back to the afterlife ready to reincarnate into the fetus of another aborter or a women with an once of responsibility left in her to not abort.

        • Karolyn

          My position, as a proponent of New Thought, is that in any death the spirit is set free to return or not, as it wishes. It’s a good thing. There are many stories that support reincarnation being real. We have all lived many past lives. The question with abortion is when does the spirit enter the physical body? It is possible that there is no spirit present at the time of abortion, but even if there is, abortion is not bad.

          • Vicki

            Karolyn writes:

            The question with abortion is when does the spirit enter the physical body?

            Since we have no way to determine this and if there is a spirit, it could even enter the physical body at the moment of fertilization, the only logical course is to set the point at fertilization. This point is also known as conception.

          • Karolyn

            It still doesn’t matter, Vicki, because the spirit lives forever.

          • Vicki

            Karolyn says:

            It still doesn’t matter, Vicki, because the spirit lives forever.

            So if someone drops by your place and murders you or your children you don’t want us to bother to find the perp because it doesn’t matter?

      • former walmart person

        What the hell does being christian have to do with the functioning of your occipital lobe?

        • Robert Smith

          There have been several studies on religion on the impact of the brain.

          From: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=religious-experiences-shrink-part-of-brain
          “The results showed significantly greater hippocampal atrophy in individuals reporting a life-changing religious experience. In addition, they found significantly greater hippocampal atrophy among born-again Protestants, Catholics, and those with no religious affiliation, compared with Protestants not identifying as born-again.”

          Not specific to your question, but proof that there are studies that indicate there are things going on.

          It concluded: “This new study is intriguing and important. It makes us think more about the complexity of the relationship between religion and the brain. This field of scholarship, referred to as neurotheology, can greatly advance our understanding of religion, spirituality, and the brain. Continued studies of both the acute and chronic effects of religion on the brain will be highly valuable. For now, we can be certain that religion affects the brain–we just are not certain how.”

          Rob

          • Joe H.

            robbie,
            then how do you explain the number of PHDs that believe in God, Jesus and the holy spirit??? Write the check, dude!!

      • Maryland Freestater

        Oh yeah, like liberals do…

      • 270 Win.

        bamaliberal, why such hate!!!!!!!

        • Joe H.

          270 win,
          Possibly had or convinced someone to have an abortion and is trying to make it acceptable in his/her mind???? Guilt produces a lot of hate, my friend!!

    • http://www.cafepress.com/tradthoughts UnPCdMOM

      Why is it that when conservatives see “Planned Parenthood”, they think “abortion” rather than “low-cost healthcare for women’s issues”.

      Perhaps because we know women who have tried to get women’s health care in the forms of treating Polycystic Ovarian Disease (PCOD)Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS), Endometriosis or other fertility problems that related to conceiving a healthy child and actually becoming a Parent! and Planned Parenthood wouldn’t assist them with saving their fertility or managing/treating the disease. many tines they weren’t even given a referral to a doctor or clinic that would assist them. The very name Planned Parenthood is mysnomer (an out&out LIE,) They will NOT help you PLAN a family, they only help you delay or prevent becoming a parent.

      • Robert Smith

        Ummmmmmmmm…. A little reality (drum roll)

        “Whether you have been trying to get pregnant for a while, or are just concerned about the ways infertility affects women and men, you may have many questions. Our goal at Planned Parenthood is to give you up-to-date, clear information that helps you better understand your reproductive health. Learning more about female infertility and male infertility is an important step. We hope these pages give you the facts and tools you need to understand infertility.

        If you have more questions or concerns, we can help. Staff at your local Planned Parenthood health center can talk with you and help you get the health services you need.”

        That’s from Planned Parenthood: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/pregnancy/infertility-4258.htm

        Thank you for a clear demonstration of just how far the extreme right is from reality.

        Rob

        • Joe H.

          robbie,
          you know what you READ, perhaps this person knows what they have EXPERIENCED! I know you think you know everything, sonny, but when it comes to female reproductive processes, you are a babe in the woods compared to the most naieve woman!!! Write the check robbie!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Why do you continue to lie, Joe?

            Rob

          • Joe H.

            Prove it a lie, robbie!!!

    • s c

      K, at some point, you will have to choose between admitting that you’ve been duped by those who will do anything to keep you dumbed-down OR you’ll have to admit that you’re just another jockstrapper for National Socialism and Hitler. No once can suppress the truth for long. So what’s the answer – and do you have a functioning conscience?

      • Karolyn

        You have no clue, s c. I am totally at peace with my beliefs and what I know to be true. I’ve been around the block a few times and never speak through my hat. You cannot speak from the experience of being a woman and using Planned Parenthood’s services.

        • Vicki

          Karolyn. How are you at speaking for an aborted child?

          These people have pretty good credentials.
          http://www.circleofprayer.com/abortion-survival-testimonies.html

          • Karolyn

            Vicki – What does that have to do with anything I posted?

          • Robert Smith

            Vicki asks: “How are you at speaking for an aborted child?”

            I don’t know about Karolyn but I can speak for the unborn! It’s just as valid as any right wing blather. (Big BREATH!)

            The unborn: HEY! Get me outa here… I don’t wanna go through that enterance for that there brutal christian god’s heaven. I don’t want to take a chance on “sin.” ABORT ME NOW! I know I’ll go to heaven. I’m so innocent.”

            There you go, another opinion.

            Rob

          • Vicki

            Karolyn says:

            Vicki – What does that have to do with anything I posted?

            shortly after saying to sc:

            I’ve been around the block a few times and never speak through my hat. You cannot speak from the experience of being a woman and using Planned Parenthood’s services.

            Which reminded me of liberal women telling men that they can’t have an opinion on abortion cause they don’t get pregnant. Which reminded me that MOST of those women can’t have an opinion on abortion because they have never experienced being aborted.

            A bit convoluted but it is related to what you posted to sc.

        • eddie47d

          Whether a baby is born naturally,is adopted or an abortion survivor shouldn’t make any difference. It now has full life and must be embraced by the one caring for it.

          • Robert Smith

            And after it’s born the right wing will deny it health insurance, food, education, and shelter.

            Rob

          • Joe H.

            actually, robbie, I have two young people living in my home rent free that are not related to me in any way. I also feed them. What do YOU do robbie? WRITE THE CHECK!!!

          • Vicki

            Robert Smith says:

            And after it’s born the right wing will deny it health insurance, food, education, and shelter.

            Just for amusement, show us just ONE example. Be prepared to show your work.

  • Stretch

    You do realize that, while the Susan G. Komen funds DO fund Planned Parenthood’s women’s screening (a good thing), that just allows PP to use more of its own funds for whatever they want – as in abortions.

    • GregS

      Excellent point, Stretch!

  • former walmart person

    Waging war on women???? WHAT ABOUT THE FUTURE UNBORN WOMEN WHO ARE CULLED LIKE DISGUSTING DISEASED TISSUE?

  • Barbara Holmes

    The problem with having abortions upon demand, or any other way, is that it it is “Shedding innocent blood”, which God promises to punish…the whole nation. Read HIS Word. Freedom of choice means freedom to kill. When a woman does not have a choice, it is called rape. That’s where the bad choice is made. And the consequences will come. Women “It is fine to say no”. Tell him to get himself another victim, and keep your self respect.

    • eddie47d

      Maybe it’s the SEX ON DEMAND that is a big problem whether in wealthy nations or impoverished nations. Poor women accept more babies as their fate and have no where to go for contraceptive help. Wealthy societies flaunt sex 24/7 to make money but have several sources to purchase birth control. I believe it is in Afghanistan where men by law can force sex on a woman every 3 days whether she wants it or not. She can be punished for not complying and we know what the punishment can be. All societies seem to be demeaning to some degree when it comes to sex and in forcing men and women to act according to culture. We have an abundance of porno and strip clubs and many ads flaunt the sexual appetite. Which brings us back to personal choice and forcing a woman to accept whatever a man plants in her.

  • CP

    Well. Stretch, you do have to apply your name to the facts to reach your conclusions, that Planned Parenthood is primarily an abortion provider. Get the FACTS, go to a Planned Parenthood clinic and see who is actually there and what services they are seeking. Most of the women will talk to you, believe it or not, and the majority of them are NOT there for abortion services, but for help in not getting pregnant in the first place, or in taking care of the children they already have. There are other reasons for women to be there, such as gynocological exams they can get nowhere else without spending huge sums of money they don’t have, including pap smears to check for cervical cancer. If your gender is what it appears to be, the day YOU need to worry about an abortion will be the day after Christ reappears, as it will take a huge miracle for you to become pregnant in the first place.

    • Joe H.

      CP,
      I don’t care if they only do one abortion a month!! they do not havre the right to use my tax money to fund it BY LAW!!!! don’t like it? TOUGH!!

  • James R.

    It’s not about abortion …. YOU SLIMY LIARS …. it’s about access to healthcare for the middle class and poor … NOBODY IS BELIEVING YOUR KOCK BROTHERS LIES … you think these are your own thoughts … THEY ARE NOT … THEY ARE THE THOUGHTS OF THE KOCK BROTHERS … the world has caught up to your lies …. NOW THEY JUST LAUGH AT YOU AS JUST ANOTHER CLOWN IN THE CLOWN CAR …. weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

    • Nadzieja Batki

      It is about abortion and the money it brings in donations of every form. Any form of health caring is just a front. You are just gullible.

      • cawmun cents

        Since Roe vs. Wade,nearly 50,000,000 have been shortchanged life.
        That number is mind boggling.But not to a liberal.
        What you have is gynocerous feminists shouting mine is the right to decide,and then turning and telling those who say that it is wrong,that saving breasts in the name of extending life is less important that ending a life to continue their lifestyles unabated.
        There is of course another mindset involved here.One that sees the beauty of life,versus the one that worships death.It has been this way for thousands of years,and there is no changing it.
        I happen to love breasts,and new life as well,but since the pervailing sentiment among thoose who are running the institutions today is to live life as you want to instead of taking responsibility for your own actions and being a decent citizen,there will be no change,-CC.

        • Karolyn

          There has been no “shortchanging” of life. If, indeed, the spirit was already in the foetus when it was aborted, it was just freed. Even in Christian reasoning, that soul would go straight to heaven. What so bad about that?

          • Opal the Gem

            If the spirit is indeed in the fetus in the womb then an abortion is killing unjustly or in other words murder.

          • Joe H.

            karolyn,
            then by that thinking, what would be so bad about my murdering YOU??? According to you the spirit goes straight to heaven so what is so bad about that??? If it is bad for it to be done to YOU then it is bad to do it to an unborn CHILD!! And NO robbie it’s not an acorn!!

          • Robert Smith

            Quit lying Joe. I’ve NEVER said a fetus is an acorn.

            What I’ve posted many times is that a fetus is no more a “baby” than an acorn is a tree.

            There is a process going on with a beginning, middle, and an end.

            Rob

        • Robert Smith

          From cawmun: “Since Roe vs. Wade,nearly 50,000,000 have been shortchanged life.”

          Or, as I like to think of it as 50,000,000 folks got to go to that there right wing brutal christian’s god without having to go through the enterance exam called “life.”

          Jellous cawmun? They get what you have to worry about, repent for, and continue your pure thoughts. Wow! I’d be jellous too if I was a right wing christian extremist.

          Rob

          • Joe H.

            you know what bothers me about it robbie??? The next unborn child they abort might be the one that comes up with a cure for your afliction, murderchilditis!!

          • Robert Smith

            You’re right Joe! Maybe it will come with a cure for right wing extremisn that oppresses others for their own religious / political gratification.

            Or you can check out: “Donohue-Levitt hypothesis that legalized abortion in the 1970s explains a substantial part of the crime decline in the 1990s:1) Five states legalized abortion three years before Roe v. Wade. Crime started falling three years earlier in these states, with property crime (done by younger people) falling before violent crime.”

            That’s from: http://www.freakonomics.com/2005/05/15/abortion-and-crime-who-should-you-believe/

            Rob

  • Richard

    In every sense of the word a true left wing liberal person, one whose beliefs are so to the left that they adhere to the philosophy that the government control all aspects of human life -Socialistis / Marxist beliefs – The Soros types, the Obama types and the millions of believers that follow these types like rats are the most despicable human beings on the face of the earth. I am a very devout Christian also a believer in the Constitution of the United States. I believe and will fight and die for our freedoms that we enjoy and it’s time for this Christian nation to rise up against these tyrants. It’s time for another 1776 Revolution. I hate that the commercial was sponsored by Chrysler and not Ford,because Ford did not take Obamas handout, but as Clint Eastwood said in the commercial it’s halftime in America folks. Are we going out on the field and win this game or are we going to let Soros/Obama, etal continue to destroy us from within? They are a cancer that needs to be cut out.

    • Dave

      Keep your damned religion out of our politics. That’s constitutional.

      • Lode

        You might need to read the constitution. No where does it say that religion is not to be a part of politics. It does say that the government cannot force you to be apart of any specific religion, as it was in England when they fled the beheadings for not being apart of The Church of England.

      • Ted Crawford

        “Keep your damned religion out of our politics. That’s Constitutional”. So says the all knowing Dave
        Here is what our Founders thought about that idiocy. “We have no government armed in power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is inadaquate for the government of any other” John Adams
        “We’ve staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government, far from it! We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God” James Madison

        • Flashy

          Do you really want quotes from Adams, Jefferson, Washington etc that state just the opposite of what you posted? Do you really want to go there and get into a quote war?

          Now…if you WERE a true Christian, and knowing this country was not and never was a “christian nation’…then to say it was and is is a lie. Do Christians lie?

          • Ted Crawford

            As usual you assume facts not in evidence Flashy! I’m NOT a Christian, I’m a Diest, that doesn’t change the fact that facts are facts! Your Socialist spin not with standing!

      • Joe H.

        Dave,
        you know, i think you, flushy and robbie are AFRAID of religeon!!! you are scared to death that we are right and one of these days you WILL be judged! I know I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes, dude!!!
        It says in the Bible ” if you deny me then I will deny you to my Father” you three have done a lot of denying. Feet getting a little WARM yet?? Maybe not now, but……!

  • JimO

    Abortion is the initial step in eugenics. Those pushing for it need to be very careful that they don’t become the next group that interfers with someone else’s supposed “rights” — and are retroactively aborted.

    • Dave

      Is that just another way of saying…Kill them all! Don’t agree with me Kill’em?

    • Robert Smith

      Posted: “Abortion is the initial step in eugenics. ”

      That’s a LIE, JimO.

      You really don’t have a clue. I’ve explained this several times before.

      Eugenics is a FORCED decision, as you advocate for women to carry to term. It appears YOU want to swell the ranks of the poor.

      Is there any other reason you want to decide for women?

      How can any individual CHOICE be eugenics?

      Rob

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith writes:

        You really don’t have a clue. I’ve explained this several times before.

        Eugenics is a FORCED decision….

        It would seem that it is Robert Smith who is missing a clue since the definition of eugenics does not have force in it anywhere I could find.
        http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/eugenics

        Unless in Roberts world discourage and encourage are euphemisms for force.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Vicki,

          Robert Smith has a habit of changing the definition of words to suit his argument. That’s why I no longer bother with his nonsense.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • Vicki

            Thanks bob. I kinda knew that about Robert (and others) which is why I sometimes include definitions. I speak against his nonsense to help others such as newer readers avoid his semantic traps.

          • Robert Smith

            Please show me a case of eugenics to weed out “bad” traits was done with the permission of the population it was applied to.

            Rob

          • Vicki

            Robert Smith says:

            Please show me a case of eugenics to weed out “bad” traits was done with the permission of the population it was applied to.

            I showed you the definition Robert. Eugenics is not a case. It is a study of or a belief.

            You might ask these folks about case studies however.
            http://www.abgc.net/ABGC/AmericanBoardofGeneticCounselors.asp

        • Robert Smith

          Really?

          Explain how eugenics can work if each person decides for themselves?

          The key is INFLUENCING the breeding. What influence is there when there is choice?

          Rob

  • Maryland Freestater

    Wow- so many leftist trolls on this forum today.

    I really wish you’d kindly return to your own kind and stay the hell off this one because you bring NOTHING to this table. Liberalism IS a form of mental illness: a true liberal would give an unborn human the benefit of the doubt and let it come to term.

    I despise abortion on totally secular grounds. What other species kills its own young in such harsh manner? Lions, I believe when a new alpha male takes over the pride. Plus, I just really like little kids a lot. Americans need to learn, or relearn, to value the little ones. No need for me to invoke any religious arguments here.

    I notice the emotionalistic comments from the leftists here and this is one of my other problems with you- I am tired of “you’re a poopie-face” comments rather than facts and logic to support arguments. BTW, the Washington Post is NOT a valid source for citations.

    In the country that invented the Pill, and also soooooo many other contraceptives, there should be no need for abortion except in the rarest cases. And they’re not that expensive either. It seems the broader issue is that people are being / have been conditioned to believe any behavior is acceptable, that self control is for religious people (like if!) and damn the consequences of instant gratification!

    Riddle me this, you libtrolls here today: just WHO then IS setting the agenda that I mentioned in my last paragraph? If you can answer me that, there’s your real villain. Wake up and see the patterns- or just go back to sleep…

    • Dave

      The Washington Post is not valid? Can you let me know which sources are acceptable?

      Your side opposes BC to be covered under HC.

      Take off your right wing glasses.

      • GregS

        Dave says:

        “Can you let me know which sources are acceptable?”

        How about the Washington Times and the New York Post?

        Dave says:

        “Your side opposes BC to be covered under HC.”

        Wrong! We are NOT opposed to birth control being covered under healthcare. We DO oppose tax-funded abortions in ObamaCare, and we DO oppose the Obama administration FORCING private institutions to dispense abortifacients and birth control against their conscience, under threat of being heavily fined or shut down.

        You really need to get your facts straight, Dave!

        Dave says:

        “Take off your right wing glasses.”

        Why don’t you take off your LEFT wing glasses, Dave?

        • Dave

          Dave says:

          “Can you let me know which sources are acceptable?”

          How about the Washington Times and the New York Post?

          So if it is the Washington Times or the NY Post, its the truth? Do you have any proof that the Times or the Post is more factual?

          No? I thought so….

          Dave says:

          “Your side opposes BC to be covered under HC.”

          Wrong! We are NOT opposed to birth control being covered under healthcare. We DO oppose tax-funded abortions in ObamaCare, and we DO oppose the Obama administration FORCING private institutions to dispense abortifacients and birth control against their conscience, under threat of being heavily fined or shut down.

          That is a lie! The GOP in congress faught tooth and nail against BC being part of the equation. They cite that BC being part of HC means “a sex for all” More right wing nonsense.

          Where in the HC law does it mandate abortions be covered? Organizations like the Catholic Church need to joiin us in the 21 centry and not the 5th century. Their poistion on BC is so outdated and the results of their BS is an overpopulated India and if the world listened to the Catholic Church we would be staring at overpopulation and the starvation and shortage of drinking water associated with it. We need education, not ignorance, We need to de-stigmatize sexuality, not treat it as “dirty”. Unfortunuately, we have too many repressed conservatives who can’t handle reality and like to live in a fantasyworld.

          You really need to get your facts straight, Dave!

          Do you have any facts GregS or just a bunch of empty outdated rhetoric?

          Dave says:

          “Take off your right wing glasses.”

          Why don’t you take off your LEFT wing glasses, Dave?

          I keep my liberal/Progressive independent thinking glasses on… My way of thinking has serveed this country better than closed minded conservative thinking.

          • GregS

            Dave says:

            “Do you have any proof that the Times or the Post is more factual?”

            I would say that one is just as “factual” as the other, but that was not the original question (i.e. which sources are “acceptable?”). The facts can be presented with either a with a liberal or conservative slant, and it’s my opinion that the Washington Times is more acceptable, because it is a well-known conservative source.

            Dave says:

            “That is a lie! The GOP in congress faught tooth and nail against BC being part of the equation.”

            No, it’s NOT a lie!

            What do you mean “part of the equation?” Do you mean part of ObamaCare? If so, prove it.

            To my knowledge, the issue was always about federally funded abortions, which the Democrats would NOT allow to be explicitly excluded with the Stupak Ammendment.

            Dave says:

            “Where in the HC law does it mandate abortions be covered?…Do you have any facts GregS or just a bunch of empty outdated rhetoric?”

            Here are the details.

            Dave says:

            “My way of thinking has serveed this country better than closed minded conservative thinking.”

            I don’t think so!

          • Joe H.

            dave,
            you ask if the post is not acceptable? well, I typed “how many times has the post run a retraction?” into my search engine and while it didn’t come up with an exact number, there seems to be a whole lot of them! that suggests to me that maybe they are too quick to print opinion and not careful enough to persue the TRUTH! Just thinkin!!

        • Maryland Freestater

          Dave,

          I am a Libertarian, definitely NOT a rightwinger. nor a leftwinger.And I wear bifocals, progressives.

          The WaPo, like most leftist drivel, is a piece of roten fecal matter that is simply a bit
          of propagandistic birdcage liner. Have YOU read it lately? Or the Baltimore Sun? OMG, the leftist crap gowna scata it spewed on Saturday at Komen…!

          My domestic partner always tells me, ‘Hon, don’t believe everything ya see on Fox, or the Misguided Media!’ So Dave, I extend to you th open YOUR eyes- in fact, I always encourage EVERYBODY to start seeing the truth- even with this topic we’re responding to, step back anf look at the patterns of belief here.

          Judge for yourselves, but don’t be duped, my leftie friends. You need to open your eyes too.

          • Dave

            Maryland,

            I read the WAPO, NYT, Wash Times, London Times, I watch Fox news, MSNBC, CNN, I listen to right wing radio sources, NPR and the point is… We are humans and no source is going to be free of bias. Some sources strive for non-sensationalistic neutral news giving (NPR and PBS) and others like the NY Post. Fox news, MSNBC are trying to get rating via pro wrestling style of news.

            WAPO has issues like all single sources do but there is better balance there than Fox, MSNBC, NY Post offer up. One tries to get though the agendas and propoganda and get to the “truth” as it is ini reality. In AZ, the right wing drivel is overwhelming as I am sure in SF the left wing drivel is also overwhelming. Thats why I seek world wide sources and not just the corp media that controls 90% of that this country has.

          • Joe H.

            My goodness, dave, you listen and read all those sources!!! Where do you find the time to post(troll) here??? don’t have a job, bubba? I find it kind of hard to believe you read all those papers cover to cover! If all you do is skim, sometimes you miss a key word and your facts become bullcrap opine!!!

        • Robert Smith

          Asked: “How about the Washington Times ”

          Clue from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times

          “The Washington Times is a daily broadsheet newspaper published in Washington, D.C., the capital of the United States. It was founded in 1982 by Unification Church founder Sun Myung Moon, and until 2010 was owned by News World Communications, an international media conglomerate associated with the church.”

          ROFL… You really don’t have any clues about what you post, do you?

          Rob

          • GregS

            The Washington Times is a well-respected (at least among conservatives) conservative newspaper. The fact that it just happens to be associated with a church doesn’t bother me as much as it does you, Robert. And that’s YOUR problem, NOT mine. We all know how much you hate ANYTHING associated with churches, God, or religion, so get over it.

          • Robert Smith

            Yup, the best paper the Moonies can create.

            ROFL

            Duh… Do you think they might be a bit slanted?

            Rob

    • Vicki

      Maryland Freestater writes

      I really wish you’d kindly return to your own kind and stay the hell off this one because you bring NOTHING to this table.

      I respectfully disagree. They bring 2 important things to the table. Points that encourage us to look into actual facts and cause readers to consider their positions.

      They also bring us evidence of their mental health. :)

      • Karolyn

        Vicki – You had me until your last line, and then you blew it. Was that really necessary? Do you question the mental health of everybody who disagrees with you?

        • Robert Smith

          That’s the way of the extreme right.

          It’s related to “Swift Boating.”

          Rob

        • Vicki

          Interesting sensitivity. Feeling guilty about something?

      • Joe H.

        Vicki,
        don’t forget comedy relief!!! Remember the acorn story from robbie??? I laughed for HOURS!!!

  • joe1cr

    It’s the liberal’s way or no way. Kind of reminds me of the way the NLRB treated South Carolina and Boeing. Obama treatment of Arizona and some other states.Unions,OWS,Gays,Greenies,PP and Obama push their agenda on us daily. What about our rights?
    The particular rights to “Life” and to “the pursuit of Happiness,” like all of the others among Man’s God-given, unalienable rights, are subject to the requirements of the duty factor of Individual Liberty-Responsibility under constitutionally limited government, including especially the observance of due respect for the equal rights of others. This involves self-discipline under self-government’s system of Rule-by-Law (basically the people’s fundamental law, the Constitution). Self-discipline is the alternative to being disciplined.

    The “Bill of Rights” amendments (the first eight, specifying particular rights, supplemented by the Ninth and Tenth Amendments expressly reserving to the people and to the States their non-delegated rights and powers) are, in reality, express prohibitions against the Federal government additional to those previously stated in the body of the Constitution. They are therefore properly considered to be a partial and supplementary Bill of Prohibitions which particularize some of the previously created boundaries, or limits, of this government’s powers. They may be likened to additional posts put in a fence to strengthen it–the fence built around the field of powers of the Federal government, to “fence in” this potential monster of power. As made clear in The Federalist (number 84, by Hamilton), this concept, of these “Bill of Rights” amendments being in truth a Bill of Prohibitions, is in keeping with the American philosophy of the people’s deriving their rights from God and, in turn, creating governments with limited powers to keep these rights secure.

    • Dave

      joe1cr says:
      February 7, 2012 at 9:02 am
      It’s the liberal’s way or no way.
      —–

      Were you living in this country the past 20 years? Just curious… Because your conservative friends… yeah… they want everything their way and if they don’t get it, they obstruct or they pay politicians to change the laws to get their way.

      • Joe H.

        OK, Dave, gotta call BS on that one!!! show me a site that specifically states a conservative paid another pol to change a law!!
        Post up or shut up!!

        • Dave

          Examples:

          Who paid the lobbyists to push for deregulation of banking rules?

          S&P cited the GOP specifically on why the US credit rating was lowered.

          The GOP held unemployement benefits hostage so the Bush tax cuts could continue under Obama

          The only reason we have people covered today with pre-existing conditions in HC is due to 2 GOP female lawmakers from Maine in the Senate allowing the vore to be had. Otherwise the GOP voted as a block to stop any improvement on HC.

          The GOP voted as a block to try and prevent a Consumer Protection arm of the Dodd-Frank law. Apparently preditory loan practices are fine with the GOP.

          During the payroll tax debate, even Senate GOPers remarked how blindly partisan the House GOP were to block the payroll tax temp compromise.

          The GOP has a clear record of saying “no” just because its Obama.

          • Joe H.

            Dave,
            quit the BS and do what I asked! give me an instance where a GOPer PAID a bribe to pass or change a law! you can’t so your post is crapped out opine!!

  • DJ Katie of Miami

    There is so much more to this story. Anyone who listens to natural news & is in touch with real cures for cancer that have been stomped out by our corrupt government (bought & paid for agencies like the CDC, FDA & many others) dating back to the 1930′s with now hundreds of thousands of non-biased studies to back up the facts, knows that the Koman organization is bought & paid for & does not educate women but instead is sponsored by & directs them to unhealthy practices for profit. Do your homework folks. Because of this story more truth has recently reached the mainstream about their high-paid CEO’s flying first class & so much more.

  • FedUp

    The only question I have is this: is abortion a responsible form of birth control?

    • Dave

      All forms of contraception could be considered abortion….according to evangelical right.

      • rtringgo

        Dave, you appear such a presumptious mutt. Wherever do you get your information on “evangelicals”? You and Flashy must be cojoined somewhere.

        • Joe H.

          tringgo,
          Cheek to cheek????

    • Dave

      I would say “no” on that question Fedup. What is required to end abortion is education, a de-stigmatizing of human sexuality, addressing the socio-economic issues that lead women to seek abortion and finally for men and women to take responsibilty for the choices they make (rape and incest excluded here)

      • Karolyn

        Amen, Dave, especially the de-stigmatizing sexuality part. If this wasn’t such a puritanical society, there would be less sex crimes, as well as less teen pregnancy and abortion. This is seen in countries where sex is brought out into the open – where the human body is not something to be hidden but something to be admired and respected – where prostitution is legal and people talk about sex with their kids at a young age.

        • Dave

          Correct Karolyn,

          We need to take the religious puritanical goggles off and live in the real world and deal with things ina real and honest way.

        • Joe H.

          karolyn,
          I consider myself very religeous and I talked to both of my girls at a young age about sex and what it could mean to both of them. i told them both i would hope they were smart enough to know bs when they heard it from some boy who couldn’t do without it!! neither of my girls have gotten pregnant out of wedlock and are very responsible girls. Religeon doesn’t stop ANYONE from having the talk with their kids, especially if they are responsible adults, themselves!! Oh, and don’t worry, my wife spoke to them as well! after all karolyn, they are MY kids, too!!

  • alexa

    Komen made the initial mistake by getting into bed with PP in the first place.
    PP is like the federal government. Once you give them 1%, they demand 100% control.
    No money from me to Komen.

    • Robert Smith

      Me either. I’m gonna give it to PP directly.

      Rob

      • Joe H.

        your choice, just don’t demand my tax money to fund it!!

  • Ted Crawford

    I’ve avoided for years my wifes attempts to get me to donate to Komen, my arguement ‘not as long as they are associated with PP”. As soon as she heard the news that they no longer were, she launched an assult, and I agreed, fortunatly for me it was a couple days ahead of my bill paying! Two days ago we gave our donation to the National Foundation for Breast Cancer!

  • Tommy Boy

    An abortion increases the risk of breast cancer by 10 fold. So its funny that Komen supports the organization that does so many abortions, which raises the number of women who end up with cancer!

    • Robert Smith

      Posted: “An abortion increases the risk of breast cancer by 10 fold.”

      Outright false.

      Will you accept the American Cancer Society as a knowledgable source for information about cancer? Here’s what they say: “But scientific research studies have not found a cause-and-effect relationship between abortion and breast cancer.”

      That’s from: “http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/BreastCancer/MoreInformation/is-abortion-linked-to-breast-cancer

      Rob

    • Robert Smith

      BTW, why was breast cancer called “Nun’s Disease?”

      Why through miscarriages aren’t the numbers reflecting breast cancer?

      Pregnancy ends… Pregnancy ends. What’s the difference?

      Rob

  • Harold Olsen

    I have never donated money to the Komen Foundation and last week when I heard that they had been funding Planned Parenthood and, thereby, funding abortions, I was glad I had never dontated money to them. Had I done so, it would have meant that a portion of my donation would have gone to the financing of the murdering of babies.

    When Komen announced they were no longer going to fund Planned Parenthood, I actually considered sending them a donation. However, when I heard the liberals going crazy and foaming at the mouth over it, I knew Komen would cave and continue their fund of Planned Parenthood. I’m sorry to see that I was right.

    I have never donated money to the Komen Foundation and I never will!

    • Karolyn

      The reason they changed position was because so many of their donors were going to LEAVE the sinking ship!

      • Doug

        And so many will now! I would not give a dime to them because they are part of biggest organized crime unit in the world any time you become involved with the US govt. you are bascially working for the Mafia! So I know they are not part of the US. Govt but they are they are pushing the same drugs and screening and practices that main stream medical field does and its all about the money!

        • Robert Smith

          Yup, Karen Handel cane right out of the Bush administration.

          Rob

  • Mick

    Until breast cancer has been wiped out completely SGK, in my opinion, has no right to fund anything other than what they are getting donations for, wiping out breast cancer! When that has been accomplished, then they can say what else the want to fund and people can decide whether to donate to that direction or not.
    No wonder the boys and girls in congress and senate can’t get anything done, we need to tell them what to do in a manner that they can understand. Then they can look to the constitution for guidance out of this mess!

  • jopa

    Stan Smith;I believe Komen backed of because most of their support comes from Liberals rather than the Retardicans.

    • Joe H.

      Got some proof of that?? I didn’t think so!!!

  • Clint

    Cancer runs rampant in people of all walks of life. Certainly the thoughts that some people bring to these discussions could lead one to believe that Brain Cancer is spreading faster than any form out there. As was mentioned by many people here, the bottom line is most cases, is Money. Money is a large factor in most people’s lives. Lack of money is a reason some people have abortions. There are a multitude of reasons that a lack of financial wealth can contribute to the loss of a future life. What we need to Focus on in society, is how to spread the word about intelligent sexual behaviors, birth control, population control and in general, making intelligent decisions. I for one believe there are people who should be required by law to be sterilized. Some people seem to look at giving birth as a way to make money (welfare train) and they cannot even afford to take care of themselves properly. One messed up society and it just keeps rolling down the same path towards . . . . .

  • Sherry

    I got a card from Komen today wanting my donation for 2012. This year I wrote across the front of it, ” I will not support the killing of a baby.” then I mailed it with no money. You can not be a Catholic and a pro choice at the same time. If the real Catholic women around the world did the same thing and pulled there support from these organizations, I would bet we could save lots of lives.

    • Liztalk

      Because you did not give this time, there will be less funding for BREAST CANCER SCREENINGS. That’s where your money would go. Don’t let your irrational fear and misinformation stop you from doing good!

    • Robert Smith

      Haven’t you heard about “Catholics for Choice?”

      BTW, Karen Handel, a vice president with the Susan G. Komen for the Cure Foundation, resigned her position Tuesday.

      AND! Quit putting YOUR religion on the rest of us.

      Rob

      • JT

        Many would argue (successfully) that “Catholics for coice” are not really Catholic to begin with, and that they fail to comprehend even the most basic elements of that faith.

        You seem obsessed with your mistaken belief that anyone opposed to abortion must hold that position for religious reasons. Or maybe you just keep spouting that crap because it makes for good liberal spin.

        For the record, there are a whole lot of people like me, who believe that every human being has a right to life. Abortion is in direct conflict with that. It has nothing to do with religious dogma, it IS a simple matter of the most basic of all human rights.

        The liberal crowd loves to support human rights when it serves their own purposes, but when it’s too “inconvenient”, you just deny that something (like abortion) violates human rights. You say it’s all about “choice”, but you ignore that the person being murdered has no choice in the matter. What about THEIR right to choose? Then you try to turn it into a “women’s rights” issue. Do the female babies who die as a result have no rights? Do they not have the right to grow up?

        You just hate it when we use the word “murder”, and you call it a “medical procedure”. Unfortunately, you once again tell only half of the facts. It IS indeed a medical procedure, but it’s a procedure with the sole intended purpose of ending a life. It is a deliberate and premeditated act that is intended to kill a person. How is that NOT murder? Liberals love to call hunters murderers, and some even use the term on ANYONE who eats meat.

        So according to the liberal mindset, someone who kills a deer to feed their family is a murderer, but someone who gets paid alot of money to kill thousands of healthy unborn infants …somehow is not. Then you become very uncomfortable when someone calls abortion murder. Maybe you should think about why it makes you so uncomfortable.

        • Dave

          JT,

          Some many on the right claim to know the “liberal” mindset and they only knowledge is what is fed to them by right wing talking heads. Your nonsense about hunters is another example. I am a liberal and I know hunting for food is part of the natural life cycle.

          So when the cell splits in two, should those cells be assigned a SSN immediately? Should a pregant women be allowing into the HOV lanes?

          But the point is, you have no clue about liberalism as it exists in America. Go back to Fox for your opinion.

          • JT

            Actually, dave, I know more about the liberal mindset than you think I do, and perhaps even more than you do. I live in a VERY liberal state, and I attended a VERY liberal university. I have debated many issues with liberal friends of mine (yes I actually have liberal friends), and I have been the target of verbal attacks by liberals who are decidedly NOT friends of mine. I have personally been called a murderer and spat upon by animal rights liberal whackjobs (something which qualifies as aggravated assault BTW), simply because I was wearing a coat with my hunting license on the back of it. So don’t presume to know what my observations and personal experiences are. If you think my experiences with the anti-hunting crowd are “nonsense”, then maybe you tell that to your liberal buddies.

            The point is, when you act like liberal extremists, that is how you are perceived, and it’s your own fault. Indeed, maybe it’s you who is out of touch with the mindset of your liberal brethren. You don’t know how to protest without becoming violent, because you believe that violence is justified by whatever cause you screaming about this time. You don’t know how to debate using reason and logic, because your views are indefensible and you find it easier to engage in adolescent personal attacks.

            Your ridiculous questions regarding the early stages of the human life cycle are nothing more than typical liberal rhetoric. I’ve never claimed that someone should be issued a SSN at the moment of conception. Still, your childish examples do not change the fact that it is a human life that we are talking about. You can’t claim that it is not, so instead you spout a bunch of worthless one-liners in an attempt to mask the truth.

            And, BYW I don’t watch FOX. Just another worthless assumption on your part. Maybe you should go back to being brainwashed by your socialist comrades over on MSNBC.

          • Vicki

            Dave writes:

            Some many on the right claim to know the “liberal” mindset and they only knowledge is what is fed to them by right wing talking heads.

            Some may but conservatives here get to see the liberal mindset every day. And some of us live in areas with lots of people who claim to be liberal so we can compare and contrast with good accuracy.

            So when the cell splits in two, should those cells be assigned a SSN immediately?

            There should not be an SSN.

            Should a pregant women be allowing into the HOV lanes?

            I pay taxes for the very same road so there should not be any “special” lanes for the “Kings” special people.

            But the point is, you have no clue about liberalism as it exists in America.

            Sure we do. As mentioned above we get to see it here everyday.

          • Karolyn

            JT – You spoke of someone having assumptions about you and you also spoke of your own assumptions about liberals. Since you have liberal friends, I would assume you know that not all liberals are alike and that the ones who do berate hunters and create problems are EXTREMISTS. That is the word we should all keep in mind when labeling people. It is the extremists in any camp that give that camp a bad name – just like Muslim extremists cast such a bad light on all Muslims.

          • JT

            karolyn: Wrong.

            I didn’t speak of “my assumptions about liberals”.

            I spoke about my EXPERIENCES WITH, and OBSERVATIONS OF liberals.

            There’s quite a difference between the two. Apparently, you are unable to distinguish them. Imagine my shock…

            I realize fully that not all liberals are EXACTLY the same. I also realize that, as a group, liberals exhibit all the traits I noted.

            I also realize that there are right-wing extremists, but there is a much wider philosophical chasm between between them and reasonable conservatives than there is between left-wing extremists and other liberals. This wasn’t always the case. It is a fairly recent (last 20 or 30 years) shift resulting from the liberal media’s mainstreaming of radical progressive dogma, aimed at pushing their various long-term agenda.

            Just think about how American television has changed over the years (as on example), and then ask who these changes serve. Who benefits from the extreme liberal shift in media bias? Who benefits when murderers like Che Guevara become folk heroes to our children, when they don’t know the facts of he was? They’re trained to believe it’s cool to be progressive, or radical, without knowing where that leads.

            The bottom line is that progressives don’t stand for real progress, and liberals don’t stand for liberty. How ironic.

          • Joe H.

            Sure karolyn, just like your rant about how the OWS crowd are pacifists, yet they are throwing urine at people!! guess YOU don’t know the liberal mindset very well!!

        • Robert Smith

          JT claims: “You seem obsessed with your mistaken belief that anyone opposed to abortion must hold that position for religious reasons”

          BZZZZZZ, WRONG.

          I’m well aware of Nixon’s choice to make abortion an issue for the extreme right for POLITICAL reasons.

          How does it feel being a dupe for the political machine Richard M. Nixon created?

          Ronald Reagan picked up on it and C.E. Coop was a payoff to the anti-abortion zealots.

          Rob

          • JT

            As I said: “You seem obsessed with your mistaken belief that anyone opposed to abortion must hold that position for religious reasons.”

            Note the use of the word “seem” here.

            Whether or not you are ACTUALLY obsessed with it is up to your psychiatrist to determine, though I maintain that you do, indeed SEEM obsessed with it. Perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension skills.

            And since you apparently cannot address anything I said in a rational manner, you resort to calling me a “dupe”. How typical. You’ve earned quite a rep here as being a moron and a liberal “dupe” who makes up facts as you go along. Your opinion is irrelevant, as is your very existence.

            And BTW, it’s the progressive crowd that has always politicized abortion, in an effort to distract attention from it’s true nature as an atrocity and a crime against humanity. The fact that it’s legal doesn’t make it acceptable. As I recall, slavery was once legal, that is, until CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS abolished it (much to the chagrin of democrats).

      • Joe H.

        Robbie says” BTW, Karen Handel a VP from SGK resigned today.” Well, if she was pro MURDER then GOOD!

    • Karolyn

      You forget that there are the same amount of women (maybe more?) who support PP and who would have withdrawn their support if Komen had stayed with the original plan of not funding PP. This was evidenced by the firestorm of online commen. I guess your people are just not loud enough.

      • libertytrain

        I think that the incredibly loud screaming of a few of the left drowned out any other voices or opinions. The majority doesn’t always or usually win, but the biggest loudest mouths do.

        • Dave

          That explains Rush Limbaugh to a “T” liberty…Big fat mouth… minority opinion… That also explains the GOP in the Senate… Not the majority, use the filibuster to block everything.

          • libertytrain

            You’re right, he has a big mouth but is alone compared to the glut of liberal big mouths like those goofballs on MSNbc, etc.

          • Robert Smith

            The MEDIA is pretty much big business. It’s corporations.

            There ain’t no such thing as “liberal” media.

            Liberal stories once in awhile but no “liberal” media.

            Rob

          • Joe H.

            Dave,
            You proggies say the same thing about Glen Beck! Amazing, though how often he’s right!!! Oh, I forgot, you proggies don’t like facts or the truth!! Especially if it’s from a CONSERVATIVE!!!

  • s c

    WHY does any human give the filth at Planned Eugenics any benefit of any doubt? The Susan G Komen Foundation can claim good intentions, while the jack-booted vermin at Planned Eugenics rely on tax dollars to fund a concept borrowed from Margaret Sanger [America's PREMIERE, high priestess of 'compassionate murder'] and Hitler.
    What the Komen people did was yield to pc POLITICAL pressure from people who see women’s rights as a means to an end. If this warped approach to women’s rights didn’t give ‘certain’ people EASY VOTES, Planned Eugenics and utopian politicians would be ‘elsewhere involved.’
    At the heart of this mental disease is a government that preaches a ‘better way,’ but practices ‘all rights come from an all-powerful GOVERNMENT.’ On its best day, Planned Eugenics can offer nothing other than an Al Capone defense. Can anyone say Capone served a purpose in a civilized society?
    Let Planned Eugenics stand or fall on its own efforts. SEVER its immoral tax dollar support forever. Nonprofititis is no defense in America. NOT when BABIES are MURDERED to keep a business ‘in business.’

    • Dave

      S C,

      Why do adoptions cost 20K in this country? Is it because we are a country of “family values”???… The same vales that allow people to declare bankruptcy due to medical costs… or that try to destroy unions (the only means working people have to get a better deal at the money table)so people’s wages stagnate and fall so they have to work 2 jobs to make ends meet?

      We do not care about the family, children or god in this country. We care about money and that is it. If you can’t make a dollar doing something, its not worth attempting… If a company doesn’t give wall street exponential growth they are a failure.

      Abortion is just a byproduct of the selfishness that this country values and you are suprized that abortions happen?

      Wake up…

  • Joseph

    What is a cancer fund doing giving money to an abortion business ????

    Will not be donating anytime soon !!!!!

    • Dave

      As if you ever did. This group is a women’s health org… BC, Sex ed, STD testing are part of that and yes so is abortion. But you would not understand that would you?

      • Robert Smith

        And, there is a direct link between an STD (some cervical warts) that Gardicil vaccinates against that causes cancer.

        Rob

        • Robert Smith

          Wow! A way to PREVENT some cancers and the extreme right is opposed.

          Let’s all watch and giggle because we know there interist isn’t a health one or babies.

          Rob

          • Joe H.

            robbie,
            Tell that to those seven girls that are having seisures, tremors and other symptoms. the only thing they have in common is that they all had the guardasil vaccination lately!! when it comes out that the shot caused it are you still going to sing the praises of it???

  • azwayne

    “Brain washed INC” some should have researched real messages once was allowed. How many realized only about 20% of money raised goes to breast cancer research from the company KNOWN for breast cancer research??? When sheeple are given FACTS, they become distracted and sidetracked to other fights and discussions. You wonder why your government and country are so screwed up, it’s because of totally uneducated people.

  • Bob in Florida

    In years of donating to The Komen Foundation in support of their programs fighting and/or doing research on breast cancer, I was not aware that they were receiving so much money they could not use it all. Hence, they have been taking money that I donated and supporting other organizations that I may, or may not, agree are worthy of support.

    If I wanted to support Planned Parenthood, or other organizations that Komen donates funds to, I would have donated directly to those other organizations.

    While I’m glad The Komen Foundation has sufficient funds to support their programs, as long as they continue to give money to other organizations, they will get no more from me.

  • Polski

    You all can’t see the forest for the trees.

    The CANCER INDUSTRY makes $220 BILLION A YEAR. If a cancer cure were found, what would their doctors, nurses, hospitals, BIG PHARMA, equipment manufacturers, the American Cancer Society, Susan Komen Society, etc. do?

    You know that a cure for CANCER will never be found, because of this. So all this crud everyone in this forum is talking about is really ridiculous.

  • Bob Marshall

    My friend in Texas called me informing me that she had found a lump on her breast. She said it has grown slightly larger after six weeks than it was when she first noticed it. She has been out of a job for one year so she called Planned Parenthood to set up an appointment.She know how i feel about abortions so she asked me did she do the right thing.I am afraid i scared her because of the quotes i had her read from Margaret Sanger. There is no denying that Margaret Sanger was for population control, as is Obama and Hillary.She has an appointment this week.I am glad some pointed out Planned Parenthood did much more than abortions.i do believe if the women were shown a film of an abortion being performed many would change their minds.

  • Buck

    I will always remember Susan G. Komen as the modern day Margaret Sanger , the mother of American Genocide and murderer of over fifty million about to be born artists , intellectuals , and leaders of Americas future .

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Dottie

    I thought the Susan G Komen foundation was to find a cure for Breast Cancer!! Now I find that they are also funding Planned Parenthood!! I do not want my donations to fund abortions. They will no longer receive any donations from me!!

  • 45caliber

    It is Komen’s money. If they don’t want to give it to PP any more, that’s fine. The libs shouldn’t object.

    • JT

      Absolutely true. But you know they ALWAYS have to act like spoiled little children when they don’t get what they feel they are “entitled” to. Just look at SEIU, OWS, Earth First, PETA, AFL-CIO, and all the other liberal regressive organizations and movements. It’s a real shame that the Democratic party and so many labor unions have been hijacked by the radical left-wingers, marxists, and militant socialists.

      The two things about the so-called progressive crowd that you can always count on are their sense of entitlement and their willingness declare war when they don’t get what they want.

      There have been many prominent world leaders down through history who were progressives. Just a few examples: Adolph Hitler, Karl Marx, Joseph Stalin, Chairman Mau, Muamar Ghadafi, Robert Mugabe, etc, etc…

      And to top it all off, they’re socialists, too. They were all dedicated to things like “spreading the wealth” and “fundamental transformation”, and so-called “social justice”. Sound like anyone else we know?

      • Joe H.

        Jt, correct!! do the unions go around and ask you who you support for president so your dues go to support THAT person?? Nope! your dues go to support the person THEY SAY to support!! Another reason I will NEVER join a union again!!!

  • Rick Johnson

    Interesting that the leaders of the left were prepared to end the foundation ability to fund raise because of PP. So i guess if you do not support abortion on demand your tax exempt status should be removed and million WOMEN should die unless there is a guarantee that funds are available for the killing of the unborn. NO ONE on the pro life side was threatening the foundations ability to fund raise but the pro abortion side was willing to shut down the foundation in order to save abortion on demand. Now WHO is actually making war on women?

    • GregS

      Excellent point, Rick! PP’s assertion that SGK’s decision not to fund them was political, was like the pot calling the kettle black.

  • Maryland Freestater

    little bit off-topic yet related:

    I’ve seen in this discussion several mentions of organizational self-servingness from Komen, Am. Cancer Society. I believe that most of the medical non-profits related to ‘finding a cure’ wind up becoming self- perpetuating because, what if they actually did find a cure for what they were helping to save?

    THEY’D BE OUT OF A JOB!

    I believe NONE of these types of nonprofits are actually interested in finding their respective cures. And I agree with someone who posted that Big Business has been suppressing natural or other cures or therapies because it bites into Big Pharma’s profits. Or that hydrogenated corn / ‘vegetable’ oils were also bad. I know for a fact that High Fructose Corn Syrup is baaaaaaaaaad for mammals because mammals can not process this poison.

    Speaking of corn, did you know that ONLY American corn can be used to make Fuel ethanol. Thank you, O Corn Refiners’ Lobby! We could get this much cheaper from Brasil or Caribbean countries as sugar ethanol but NO! gotta subsidize them thar Indiana corn farmers… also wonder who crushed the research at my job (UMCP) where a biologist discovered a bactria that could produce ethol from ANY plant material (cellulose)?

    So back on topic. I won’ t argue with pro-choicers here anymore. And again, notice how the mass media has manipulated us into polarization over this topic. They’re hiding something and I’d like to know exactly who and why! United we stand, divided we fall…

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