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Intel CEO Paul Otellini Blasts Government Spending As Federal Deficit Balloons

September 21, 2010 by  

Intel CEO Paul Otellini blasts government spending as Federal deficit balloonsThe debate between Republicans and Democrats on the merits of last year’s $787 billion stimulus package has been going on for a long time, with the former arguing that it was wasteful spending that failed to restart the economy. Now it looks like some business leaders agree with this point of view.

In a recent interview with CNN Money, Intel CEO Paul Otellini stated that the stimulus effort did not improve the economic climate or create the jobs it was expected to.

In particular, Otellini focused on the government's apparent predilection for sponsoring short-term projects, saying that "swimming pools in Mississippi are not going to create lasting jobs," quoted by the news provider.

He also recommended that the government lower corporate business taxes and move away from subsidizing sectors such as transportation and agriculture, which he called "industries of the 19th century." Instead, it should devote funds and create policies, in particular education reform, to promote further development of biotechnology and IT sectors.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, the Federal budget deficit in the first 11 months of fiscal year 2010, which ends on Sept. 30, amounted to nearly $1.3 trillion. 

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  • dan az

    Thats what america needs more swimming pools.Makes sense to me since no one has to work for a living anymore.Where in the hell did we get this group of idiots? Wallmart? Bleak times ahead folks!Remember in November!Its time to have a back to school special for any want to be congressman.Lets Not to forget to flush.

    • Denniso

      Swimming pools in Mississippi? Where does that come from, and what’s the connection to the stimulus?
      The CEO says that ag and transportation are 19th century industries? I’d like to see Intell move it’s products and feed it’s workers and the CEO himself w/o those ‘ancient’ industries.

      This guy sounds clueless about reality and appears to have no credibility…why is he even quoted and why would he be listened to when he makes such ridiculous comments?

      • a progressive nightmare

        and folks, you heard it straight from the mouth of DENNISO, who is a legend in her own mind. Heck, she can even predict the future! How dare anyone voice their opinion on this blog, or even think about writing an article in opposition to this DUMB progressive-marxist print and spend money spree.

        1.3 Trillion in budget deficits already this year with a full quarter to go! Way to go DENNISO, great ideas you progressives have! I’m sure our grandchildren will appreciate it!

        Dummer than a box of rocks would be the understatement of the century!

        • Karolyn

          As usual – not allowing someone else to voice their oinion without ridicule. Just downright ignorant.

          • a progressive nightmare

            Karolyn, let me revise my statement then, Now it is Dumb and Dumber!

            Our country is going to hell in a handbasket and all you people can do is stand around with your hand out begging for more. Print another 10-12 Trillion, I’m sure our grandchildren won’t mind! Have you got any concept of the value of a TRILLION DOLLARS??? It is 10 to the 12th POWER!!!! Do you have any concept of a nation spending 1.3TRILLION dollars more than it takes in, in the fist 9 months of the FISCAL YEAR?????? You and DENNISO keep putting your money in this fake stock market and see how well it works out for you.

            If you don’t see the economic peril these dumb progressives have put us in, then, you never will! YOU CANNOT SPEND MONEY THAT YOU DID NOT EARN OR DO NOT HAVE TO SPEND!!!!!!!! It is stupidity beyond measure!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Hey we let you voice yours!!! Now sit back down and be quiet, lady!!!

        • Dave

          Do you think GWB was a progressive? How much of that deficit is a result of his failed policies including 2 wars? DENNISO is simply pointing out that somebody who is not an expert on economy is being quoted like he is. Just because he’s the CEO of a large conglomerate that does not make him an expert on economic matters. People ike him are upset with Obama too because he wants to tax them and some feel “vilified.” Here’s a super rich guy saying the way to go is to lower his taxes and he’s the person this whole article is about. It’s a classic example of the kind of ridiculous cherry picking the writers of this site are guilty of on a regular basis.

          • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

            This email typifies how liberals don’t understand the central importance of business to our existence. This administration and its most liberal followers continue to do and say anything to devalue business expertise. Business experts work in the real world and create the jobs based on incentive and risk. Incentive and risk are being systematically strangled by Obama. His economists are long on theory, and short on experience. They and you don’t understand the expertise it takes to lead a company like Intel. The way this administration has handled the national economy is as though they have invested in a business, and to help rescue that business they throw all their resources into bashing the employees. Brilliant. A President who publicly refuses to talk to CEO’s in a business crisis.

          • a progressive nightmare

            Allan… Well said and VERY true. Obama doesn’t have the first business owner in his admin and he personally has never ran a business! We have an educated idiot “Lawyer”, who’s resume is nothing more than a acorn and/or seiu “Community Organizer” from Chicago. GOD help us!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Nightmare,
          It’s all part of Nobama’s great plan. more jobs man, permanent ones, well seasonal at least. Swimming pool LIFEGUARDS!!! They make all of what, 7-7.50 an hour? What a man that Nobummer is!!! WOW!!! 7.50 an hour!!!!

          • a progressive nightmare

            Yep, and as most progressives, he is a legend in his own mind! All of them are too stupid to understand how money is made and how money is saved. In fact, the progressives make up about 20% of the population but are controlling 100% of everything, including our grandchildrens future. It’s like the tail wagging the dog.

            Given that, it’s time for the DOG to turn around and bite that progessive tail off, instead of chasing it. Once that tail is gone, maybe we can become American “Pit Bulls” again and restore our republic, our dignity and our FREEDOMS.

    • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

      Look,the stimulus money can not even be accounted for… Just try to find out where the hundreds of billions of dollars went to….America, We have been SOLDOUT!!!!!! Obama and reid and peeeelosi said they need an almost one trillion dollar stimulus bill to create jobs and get our economy going… Not true… Obama and peeeelosi and reid cut the water off to farms and farm workers in northern california killing about 50,000 jobs and they did it because they said the 2 inch delta smelt might go extinct.. Hello America, are you okay with that… We raise trout and catfish and salmon ect and we could raise millions of these little delta smelt on just one acre of delta water…. Hello America, How come peeeelosi still gets all the water she wants for her northern california vineyards but the northern california farmers have to stand in food lines unemployeed? Hello America,obama and reid and peeeelosi did this and those jobs were cut and it costs them nothing to do it.How they get us jobs with all that money if they can not even give us back those 50,000 jobs that would cost nothing to do??? Hello America,Will you still vote these anti Americans back in office after all they have done against us?????

      • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

        Peeeelosi has multi millon dollar vineyards in northern california and when she cut the water to those 50,000 farm workers she did not cut the water to her multi million dollar northern california vineyards.Well now, how come peeelosi still gets all the water she wants for her multi million dollar vineyards but those hard working northern california farmers go jobless and have to stand in food lines to feed there families? Oh,I almost forgot,peeeelosi ordered her new non stop jet to go to and from work but we still have dried up farms in northern california,except peeelosis farm….. America,are you okay with with all of this… Well,I am not.

        • a progressive nightmare

          Guyb, Yep! You hit the nail right center of the head! You do understand that the FINAL thing a regime does, when destroying a nation, is rob the treasury, correct?

          Nobody will ever know what this den of thieves did with OUR money! I guess WE THE PEOPLE should pay a lttle better attention the next time we vote.

          Listen, these people think their “gods of the planet” so controlling the water supply is only one small step of their master plan to have 100% control over WE THE PEOPLE.

          Their next target will be complete control of the food industry. Better store up on the beans and ammo. You’re gonna need it.

        • Christin

          No,guyb, we are NOT okay with this.

          Pelosi deserves the kick-in-the-butt that is coming for her in Nov.

          How dare she charge US with her outrageous transportation costs… she is a selfish, multi-millionaire pig. Can’t wait to take that fring benefit away from her… from now on she can pay her own way.

          I can’t wait to see her humiliated when she HAS to step down as the Speaker of the House and be a regular congress person. Her reign as Queen of America is OVER and not soon enough.

          Too bad stupid, liberals CA will vote her in so she can continue to make unjust laws for our country. She needs to retire NOW.

          VOTE for Constitutional Conservatives and Republicans if nothing else, but to get RID of her. She is bankrupting American citizens.

          • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

            Thank You Christin…. America,Together we stand and divided we fall….Lets all stand together and make our elected officals to be held accountable for there actions….Lets make them accountable for all the money they spend and make them show us where it is going and where it has gone….They will audit us for any little reason but they themselves cheat on their taxes and cover up for each other…. America,lets take back our great nation and hold anyone running for elected positions to be accountable for all they do and make them tell all of America to our face they love our great and wonderful country and will do the very best job possible for the American people and not for special interest groups like george soros and friends….Obama promised c-span so all of America could see who was working for the people and who was for against the people,My guess is no c-span tells me obama and reid and peeeelosi are working against us or c-span would be all over the place. What better way to be re-elected than to show America they are really working for the people?America,Can you say SOLDOUT????? America has been soldout by our own elected officals and they think we are too stupid to see it…..

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Christin,
            Her travel costs are one thing I can’t stand, but when her booze bill for one month is more than a family of five needs to get by for three months, then it is BEYOND disgusting!!!

          • Christin

            JoeH,

            Someone, maybe you, told me about her booze bill a couple of months ago. I have never seen one or heard that she is a big drinker… where are you getting this info, not that I doubt you, so that all Americans can be outraged by the fact that she is “drinking our tax dollars away” while many Americans remain unemployeed to pay for the necessities of life for their families.

            Secondly, it would be good if someone looked up what the “names of her wines” are that she produces on her $5 to $25 million dollar (she won’t say how much) vineyard estate in CA where she IS getting preferencial treatment to recieve water. Also, of importance would be the name of her husband’s tuna company. I think conservatives should BOYCOTT their products, don’t you?
            Why are we keeping THEM in business when they are NOT doing the right things to stabilize the economy so that WE can stay in business?

            You know the Dems have smeared Republicans as the Big Business party, when infact the Dems are, too. I think most progressives/Bilderburg types own or have a large interest in the Brand Name Companies or Banks. Besides Dem Nanc & her husband, Dem John Kerry’s wife owns the “Heinz” company and Rep John McCain’s wife owns the “Budwieser Beer” company. Do you see what I mean… can someone research this? We should NOT be putting money directly into their pockets to make them financially strong to ruin our country.

            I am loaded down with helping my kid’s with homework and instrument practice most days, like right now, and we are small business owners and some of you may know those are both 24-7 jobs!
            (And, No, we do not make $200,000 – $250,000, nor do I consider that rich… see pelousi’s income for RICH.)

            Thanks and keep the information coming JoeH and guyb.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            christin,
            go to http://www.wnd.com and look for Tax payers $101,000 includes Pelosi’s inflight food & Booze! hope that helps!

        • dan az

          guyb
          what amazes me is that she was the one saying that all those poor migrants need jobs and we should help them!How on the welfare lines that she just put them on?

          • Denniso

            Booze bill?? You people are nuts. You can’t pull out one item from expenses and take it out of context and pillory someone for it. It’s also probably a lie and rumor and irrelevant to the bigger picture.
            What’s next, you rightwing zealots going to count the number of napkins that are used in the Whitehouse and go ballistic over that?
            Give me a break…

      • Dave

        Obama and Reid and Pelosi are not directly responsible for any of that. It’s possible that during past times people were allowed to over farm or set up farms where they probably shouldn’t have in the first place. The smelt is probably just one warning sign of a larger problem. I don’t know the details but I doubt you do either. All you see are part of the effects. If 50,000 people had farms somewhere and the work they were doing was jeopardizing the healthcare of your family and thousands of others would you let your family die so farmers could keep farming? Start looking at the big picture. Things aren’t always fair here but again you’re just cherry picking. Let’s go over every decision you’ve ever made or one of your idols like Sarah dingbat Palin and see if we can’t find anything we can ciriticize from some angle. You people are just pissed and focusing your anger where your sheep herders are telling you to. If all of the these tea bag idiots go to Washington let’s see how long it is before they have their first scandal.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Dave,
          This is just like the people that wanted to build that solar power plant in California. The biggest in the world, would have cut their power cost by 20% state wide. Well it seems that a tortise and a certain lizard were more important!! So I’ll ask you the same question, Would you allow your family to freeze or starve to save a breed of tortise and atype of lizard??? All you hear from California is the brown outs and the lack of dependable power and now this!!! Get a clue, Dave!!!

        • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

          If there was some underlying problem with to much farming and they had to shut the water off to all those hard working farm workers,then how come pelosi does not shut her farm down….Lets wake up to the truth… Anyone who wants to vote for the far left democrats have the right to do so,although they are most likely on some free handout government giveaway program and do not work and pay any taxes,but hey,lets spread the wealth around,but not obamas and reid and pelosis wealth,just the hard working tax paying middle class Americans wealth because the white house does not care about the average middle class American… obama and reid and pelosi and friends have one thing in common—-Can you say george soros??? Can you say offshore accounts???? The far left democrats have sold us out and that my friends is the truth…. Just try to find out where all the spent stimulus money has gone to… Oh,they only spent about 1/3 of the money but that is because they can only steal it 100 billion dollars at a time or it would get noticed….If you want facts,then the fact is obama has no birth certificate and is not a native born citizen and we have no one in the white house with the backbone to force this issue….

          • BB

            I heard on the radio some time back that Pelosi upgraded her SF office space. I can’t even remember the exact number or cost, but it was thousands of dollars more and thousands of square feet larger than her previous office. I guess queens need that much office space to go along with their private jets.

          • Denniso

            You people are off the wall….

  • s c

    As a rule, people in business know what it takes to make businesses successful. Everything Uncle Scam touches turns into a dung heap. People in business have to compensate for an incompetent government.
    People in government make most of the decisions.
    People in business have to be accountable. People in government try to avoid being accountable. Gee, I wonder how we got into this damned mess.

    • dan az

      sc cant argue with that,all we can do is hope we survive and change the dirt bags that occupy DC.

      • http://personalLibertynews Jamie

        S C i’m suprised you have such a poor view of the military. Most REPUB’s respect the military even if they do try to destroy it with poor decisions. Yea we would have been much better off to do nothing and let the Bush tax cuts run our unemployeement up to 25%. It’s easy to see they didn’t work. They’ve been in place for almost 10 years now without helping anyone except the top 1%. Name another group who has come thru this GOP led recession ahead of we’re they started. I know you can’t. That’s OK you folks have never been able to tell the truth. Its always someone elses fault. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for your short comings before you point your finger at someone else for a change.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Jamie… Sweetie… How did you get SC’s comment to include the military? You seem a bit confused this morning. Perhaps you have gotten blogs mixed up? Any way you look at it, you are delusional to say the least.. Better get a little more sleep and then turn on FOX so you know what is really going on in America.

          • http://personalLibertynews Jamie

            Robin…sweetie…S C said that “everything Uncle Sam touches turns into a dung heap”. I didn’t say it he did. The military is part of Uncle Sam. YOu can’t have it both ways. The recruiting posters have a picture of Uncle Sam on them. OH but i’m confused. Doubtful!! i41 i don’t need a history book to tell me what just happen to me under Bush and his GOP buddies. I noticed no of you loosers had any rebuttle for the Bush tax cut question. FOX doesn’t have a news channel. It has an opinion channel that pushes for GOP candidates all over the country. How do you family value folks feel about your new witchcraft candidate? Who pays her rent with campaign money. But doesn’t pay her staff? I’m sure your beaming with pride.

          • s c

            Robin, it’s OK. J hangs around people who confuse feelings with facts. J can’t separate Uncle Scam from the military. Uncle Scam is the source of most of our problems. The military, if it was used RIGHT, would no longer be spread around the world. Our military would be OUT of Afghanistan. Our military would NOT be the world’s prostitute “cop.”
            J needs to suck down some strong coffee, and tell his progressives chums to piss off. He can do better, but he won’t get it done by hanging around the wrong people.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            jamie,
            Name one person that is ahead of where they were when bushes cuts started? Easy…Me and my family! We came into those cuts paying on a house and now it is paid off as of last month!! Know why? We worked our assets off and never spent more than we could afford! We put every cent we could afford into the house, we don’t go to bars, I quit smoking, and we bought cars within our budget!! When we bought the house we bought within our reach and looked till we found a fixed rate we could afford and when the rate dropped another 3 percent we refinanced and doubled up on our payments. now we have our house paid for and we owe NOTHING as all our cars are paid for as well!! We have helped a couple of our family members to keep what they have as well. We aren’t rich by any means and we worry, but we don’t worry as much as we used to as we went into it with the right attitude! Too many went into buying a home with the Idea of whats the max we can afford? that puts them in a worse place if they get into a temporary layoff!

        • Warrior

          Jamie – just another confused manipulated sap.

        • Craig

          Tax cuts run up unemployment? HUH?….you ever visit reality?

          • http://personalLibertynews Jamie

            Craig who did the tax cuts help?? I make 60 k a year and my cut was $4 a week. You can keep my part Bushes boy just bring down our debt. How did we get into this recession Craig? Bush is the only President since WW2 to loose jobs. If the tax cuts helped why did he loose jobs? Clinton added 21 millions private sector jobs in his 8 years. Only an idoit would change what was working to give the top 1 % more money to not spend. Unemployment was 4.5% under Clinton and stayed around that number until Bush calapsed the economy with HIS 8 million jobs lost in 2 years, 2007 adn 2008.

          • Dagney

            Jamie, 60k a year is POOR by this country’s standards. Ever been given a job by a poor person? Don’t answer that. The answer is obvious. The rich make the most money in this country (Duh!) and they should be allowed to keep it (funny isn’t it? being allowed to keep their OWN money? What a concept!!!!) so that they can make MORE people rich by INVESTING in other companies. See how that works???? And what does investing in other companies create??? Oh, yes……JOBS. Amazing, isn’t it? Geez, the ignorance of the left…..

          • 45caliber

            Dagney:

            I just saw an article in a British Newspaper that said the government there was looking at requiring the companies to send ALL your wages to the government who would then determine what tax you owed, deduct it, and send the rest to you.

            Effectively, they are making the entire country a Socialist state with all funds going through the government.

            Want to guess which country’s politicians think this is a great idea and will want to adopt it?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Jamie,
            Are you trying to say we haven’t lost any jobs under Nobummer??? If so, you are insane!!!!

        • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

          You got change when you voted for obama…. Obama and reid and pelosi are the ones who will not take responsibility for all they have done. Its just blame Bush. Bush did not force obama and pelosi to kill us with an unread almost trillion dollar deathcare bill.Bush did not force obama and pelosi to bailout the banks and wall street. Bush did not force obama and pelosi and reid to buyout the auto industry and Bush did not force obama and reid and pelosi to cut the water to the farms in northern california killing 50,000 farm workers jobs when we need all the jobs we can get while letting queen nancy have all the water she wants for her multi million dollar northern california vineyards…. Bush and Cheney did not do everything right and they both should be ashamed for some of the things they did but obama did not deal with 9/11 or katrina.Facts are the far left liberal democrats and the far left liberal media hold back important facts from all of us and this white house is the most dishonest group in history…Obama said we will have c-span so everyone can see who is working for the people and who is working against the people. No c-span should tell everyone that obama and reid and pelosi do not want you to see they are not on the side of the American people or c-span would be all over the white house. What better way to get re-elected then to prove you are working hard for the people? 787 billion dollars worth of stimulus and no new jobs. Hey,lets keep these people in office,if we do they can crush us in just a few years.Wake up America. They only spent 1/3 of the stimulus money so far because they can only steal our tax dollars 100 billion at a time…

    • Karolyn

      Well, then why did Warren Buffett stand behind the bank bailouts? He seems to be one of the sharpest tacks in the bunch.

    • Dave

      Are you serious?

  • http://gmail i41

    Jamie, are you one of those pigtailed pixie who think any thing with a D with it is good. I realize it is better than a F or E. If you get out some history books, you will see any thing and time, an agency is created, several overeducated imbeciles who haven’t done anything in life, except go to school,start creating rules and regulations, which fouls up anything they touch. When you mentioned military, the military can and does a great job and know their jobs and what needs to be done. The problem is with the lard reared pus brained members of the elitist beltway making up rules of engagement. The state department is a bunch of simple minded dorks who think don’t really hammer the hell out of stoneaged ignorant dumb butts. Valiery Flame and her drug headed dork proved what morons are in these agencies. So Jamie, read some history books , not Barbie dresses dream books!

    • 45caliber

      I can agree with most of what you said about those elitists in Washington. However, one of the reasons they do this is to insure that no general gets any good media attention. After all, the politicians should be the only ones glorified for doing a good job. And since they have no respect for our soldiers, they don’t care how many of them get killed due to stupid orders as long as they can get some media attention.

      Once in Vietnam, we looked at all the people in our company who had been injured or killed over a six month period. The enemy was credited with about 10% of the problem. The rest were due to bad orders or personal carelessnes. Mostly bad orders.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        45,
        Good ole’ military intelligence!! What an oxymoron!!!

  • http://personalLibertynews Jamie

    S C finally something we agree on. Our military shouldn’t be in the Middle East. That’s exactly what Osama Bin Ladin wanted. To give his movement legitamacy and to bog us down like they did the Russians. There’s nothing wrong with policing other nations for them if there payign thru the nose to get that protection. The only thing is what fact did i get wrong?? Please enlighten me S C? Or Robin? Or Craig? Were did i mix up the facts??

    • s c

      I’ll try to make this brief, J. It’s immoral and downright STUPID to fight someone else’s ‘fight.’ The FACT that you don’t understand it makes you a willing dupe. Go find some Turkish coffee, and guzzle a pot or two.
      You need some fresh air in your lungs, and lots of blood pumped into whatever it is that’s sitting on your shoulders. I’ll let you know when or if we ever agree on anything. Don’t hold your breath, as life is too short, and you have much to learn.

      • http://personalLibertynews Jamie

        S C your reading ability leaves a bit to be desired. I AGREE with you we shouldn’t have our military in the middle east fighting someone elses fight. Look at that it didn’t take long at all to AGREE. Perhaps you have more to learn than you let on S C?? The first question you need to ask is this…who benefited from the Bush tax cuts?? Its a simple question. Your so smart i’m sure you can answer it. It’s pretty easy to research and find out. Just follow the money. Then follow the poverty line. Thats one heck of a tag team you REPUBS got going on there. Get 8 million people fired and then take away there unemployment benefits that they paid into all the working life. What about TARP?? Was TARP necessary?

        • Karolyn

          I totally agree with you Jamie. The rich got the tax cuts, and the corporations have always gotten away with murder, and look what happened. They weren’t getting rich ENOUGH, so off with your head!

          • a progressive nightmare

            What is it you people don’t understand about this? It ain’t YOUR money!!! If you have earned money, then that is your money, not mine or your neighbors or the villages.

            Move to a socialist or a communist country, then you can take things that you did not earn! However, be careful what you ask for, because you will not be able to sit around and blog and complain all day on your government provided PC.

          • http://personalLibertynews Jamie

            Progressive i’m at my private sector job in a position of management. I don’t want anything thats not mine or that i haven’t earned. Can you say the same. All i said was the rule changed by Bush have created this mess and idiots like you make it possible. Keep defending the GOP’s poor decisions no matter how bad they hurt this country or its people. I’ve had the same job for 16 years and i pay my taxes at every turn. I don’t have the option of paying SS taxes, or medicare taxes, or gas taxes, or property taxes or any of the other taxes the rich get to write off. I have friends in the 7 figure world who will tell you they pay next to nothing once there accountants get done. So youy move to another country…your the one complaining about Obama trying to fix the mess left behind by your pitiful party.

          • Karolyn

            Nightmare – it may not be our money, but it’s made off the very often broken backs of us peons. Look at WalMart! They provide little for their workers and have poor service yet it’s the richest company in the world.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Jamie,
            I can tell you are lying right now. you couldn’t be in management or you would know that the workers don’t pay into unemployment, the employer does!!

          • Karolyn

            Workers do so pay into unemployment along with the business owner. When I worked a “regular” job, it was taken out of my pay in NJ.

          • a progressive nightmare

            Karolyn and Jamie, and you think the government is going to fix our problems? Get your head out of the sand! Name me the difference between your BIG government and BIG business? Big business cannot print and spend our grandchildrens money but your darn BIG goverment is sure doing a great job of it. Do either of you understand the consequences of a 1.3Trillion deficit after three quaters of the fiscal year? Do you???? Who the heck is going to pay for this? Governemt doesn’t produce any form of wealth, does it! What system are you advocating? Socialism, Marxism, Communism?

            If you work at Wally-world and don’t like it, then leave and find another job. What business do you or anyone else in a republic have making personal decisions for other people or especially a business owner.

            Jamie, you want to talk about people making over 6-7 figures. Keep kidding yourself, I’ve been there my friend and I can assure you I paid more in taxes than you probably make! I would suggest you get your facts straight before you put them in print! You could at least do a little research instead of just parroting what you hear on our socialist controlled media outlets.

          • Karolyn

            Well, Nightmare, people sure are mad at Obama for not “fixing” everything. What do you suggest? What I suggest is for people to stop fighting each other and come up with positive methods to make this country better. It does work. I believe there was a piece on TV about a town that pooled its resources and came up with employment opportunities for the good of all.

          • a progressive nightmare

            karolyn, Since you asked what would I suggest:

            #1. Cut the size and scope of the federal government by 50% immediately. Further reductions will follow.

            #2.) Mandate that all federal workforce pay does not exceed the private sectors. Currently a federal worker makes 54.8% more than than a private sector worker doing the same job function.

            #3.) Dismantle the department of education and return it to the states. This way our children can be taught about the greatness of America instead of Suzy has to mommies or johnny has two daddies.

            #4.)Privatize both Fannie and Freddie. The federal government has no business in the mortgage business. I’m sure we can find a competent CEO to run both Fannie&Freddie that can produce a PROFIT for the shareholders!

            #5.) Privatize the Post office…same as above.

            #6.) Institute a national sales tax thus eliminating the IRS. Taxes will be collected at the local levels of government thus returning the POWER to the people living in that county. A percentage of those taxes will be paid to the respective state and then to the fed.

            #7.) TERM LIMITS!!!!!

            #8.) Mandate that any form of government bail outs is a misuse of public funds therefore it violates public trust. In other words, let the FREE MARKET forces come to bear. If this had been done we would already be out of this recession with an unemployment rate less than 5%. We also would not be in the CAR business!!!!! i.e.; Government Motors!!!!!

            I could go on for the next hour! This is just a small snippit of common sense things that can and should be done immediately. I have worked with a dozen people over my professional career that could balance the budget within ONE fiscal year and pay off the debt in less than five years.

            Your suggestion, I bet? Print and spend more money and charge it to the GRANDKIDS>>>>>Let’s Party!!!!! PATHETIC!!!!

          • Denniso

            Now that’s a brilliant 8th grade treatise…cut gov’t by 50%? Yep, that’s really going to happen. Term limits? That takes a constitutional ammendment, which changes the beloved constitution…I though you people were originalists?

            Dream,dream,dream…

    • Dan Burke

      What did you get wrong? The tax cuts being BAD for the economy. I gather this topic is hard for you to get. I know of a few successful people that are math challenged so don’t feel bad about it.

      Rich people create jobs. We aren’t talking you 60k. While it possible for you to do so even at 60k, it means you would have to learn to live off, um, 30k? And some of us live off of 30k. Right now I am working up from there….

      Anyways, sure the tax cuts only netted you $4 per week. So small you cannot imagine doing anything with it except another burger or fries. But you have to get beyond your way of thinking to understand how the tax cut works.

      First you must learn you an investor makes money. Lesson one. Money in the bank is ONLY money in the bank. Money in the bank usually only earns a savings interest rate. This part you should understand. You probably have a savings account. Now I don’t know about your savings account, but when I last looked at my interest rate it was lower than the inflation rate. Translation is that while your $1000.00 will be $1003.00+ (compounded monthly it will be a little higher than that), your $1000 will not have the same buying power it did at the beginning of the year. That isn’t to say that a savings account is bad. It is good for us to have a savings, and even the rich will have some of these because much of where there money really is cannot be accessed as easily as your savings account. Over all though, your savings account is actually costing you. It lost value. So investors do NOT make their money through savings accounts. So how do they make their money?

      Take a moment and think hard. What do we call these wealthy people? Entrepreneurs. Investors. Executives. And the list goes on. So how do they make money? Real money? They put their money into businesses. Even the stock market is a method of putting their money into business. Why would a business want to be on the stock exchange? Because it helps them get capital (money) to expand and run their business. They then offer money back to the investors in exchange for their capital (money). I know I am simplifying this, but I think some people just think the stock market is just a gambling hall (and there is plenty of that in the stock market). But it is a great place to illustrate the basics. Many businesses aren’t even “traded” on the stock market. These are private transactions, often going by similar principles–the investors put capital (money) into the business in exchange for the possibility of their money actually earning money. In other words, they are getting rich putting their money TO WORK.

      Great, so they make money by investing their money. While you and I like a savings account so we can quickly access our money, they often cannot access this money quickly. My father invests in the market and so I have learned that he has what is known a liquid assets and those that are not. Liquid assets are those that he can exchange quickly for some form of monetary equivalent. So while they aren’t a savings account, if he desperately needed money not all of his money would be locked away out of his reach…. I know this is a hard concept for many of us. The idea of putting our money into something knowing we cannot immediately withdraw our money in crisis. Anyways, these investors don’t make money having their money in savings like you and I. And here’s something you might find hard to believe, my dad was poor when I was born and retired by his late 40s, got bored and went back to school to get another degree and went back to work. As much as we might think little of investors, some of them work hard to get where they are at, a lot harder than you and I. For example, I just mentioned my dad. They hired three VPs to replace him at his job. Are you going to tell me that they saved money when he left when it appears they hired three people to replace one? Yeah, he was paid big money, but I suspect he was well worth every penny to that company. It is all too easy to focus on those that have big money instead of realizing that those that have big money and keep it do things differently than you and I. We throw our money in savings, rely on government social security and our 401k for our retirement. These people are taking risks and running a whole different ball game.

      So now we got into how they make their money and a little of what sets them apart from me and you. So what happens with that money they invest. Do they just randomly toss money out there and it will make them rich? No. They select businesses to invest in. So how does a business make money with that money? Because the only way for the investor to get their money back with increase is if the business can create income with it. So how does the business create income? Most businesses market a product or service. So how do they do that? Well, I don’t know. I suppose if it is a product, then you must have workers and/or machines to manufacture the product. And if you have workers, there’s a few jobs created or saved. And those machines had to be made, which eventually in the process also created some jobs. And the products usually aren’t made out of nothing, so there was a process to harvest the materials and delivery to manufacturing. So now we have a few more jobs. Okay, are you following this so far. I know this is over the head of a lot of progressives. When you don’t believe in the free market it is hard to accept that the free market might just create and save jobs because those investors are greedy!!!

      Wait!!! What did I just say? The free market might just create and save jobs because those investors are greedy? Oh yes, I did. See, I started off by referring to your $4 per week. Then I mentioned that they think differently with their money and so they don’t just put their $4 into savings all the time. Do I still have you? Now you know very well that while you only see $4 per paycheck that those wealthy individuals you so despise actually were seeing thousands of dollars in tax savings. Now in your limited concept (cheeseburgers, fries, and a savings account) you imagined that this would be a new Ferrari or private yacht. There will be these, but see they will probably actually do more investing. See, most of them aren’t dumb like us. They know that if they stick their money into the market it will make them more money. Instead of just being able to buy a new Ferrari or a yacht, they can put their money into the market and have BOTH. They just have to be patient is all….

      So why aren’t they investing? Oh, let me take a wild guess. The current administration has passed several bills (“Obamacare” and the banking bill to name a couple) that are introducing all sorts of new taxes and regulations on investing. In other words, we are so caught up in seeing the free market as evil and these greedy capitalists as pigs that we are going after the VERY MONEY that creates JOBS. Get over it!!! We are killing the business in America. We are killing the jobs now!!! Many of us don’t like the Bush tax cuts, not because we think the cuts were bad but because government never stopped SPENDING. At some point the bill was going to come due. At some point we were going to have to go after the very money that was the life blood of our businesses and investors because we could NOT balance the budget! This is why so many of us were/are in an uproar. Democrat and Republican alike are guilty. The “D”s only get more ire because they both tax and spend. So they both cut into the life blood of the economy that will give you a SUSTAINABLE job, but also don’t balance the budget so they have to keep taxing more and more. The Republicans only got away with lowering the taxes because most of the time lowering taxes actually INCREASES the taxes revenue. But now we have all sorts of new taxes in the pipeline from all those “great” progressive laws we passed. I am not in the least surprised money is getting all locked up by investors. They aren’t in the habit of short term planning like you and I. They make money by knowing where their money will make money. And right now, it isn’t the USA.

      • http://personalLibertynews Jamie

        Dan Burke that is alot of typing to never answer the question. The question was if the Bush tax cuts worked so well WHY did we fall into a recession?? The only thing i see the tax breaks doing is increasing the unemplyment line and the size of poverty. CEO’s make more money when they layoff workers than when they hire or keep them. Why is that? Shouldn’t it be the other way around? Rich people in this country got there by being born into it just like George Bush did. If George had to go out and make his on money he’d be homeless. Less that 1 % of the rich in this country worked to get it. Almost all of them were born into it. Again the top 1% will make 60 cent of ever dollar made this year in the USA. That’s less than 1 million people of 300 million making 60% of all the money made. There not going to work to make it. There making it off of the money they already have. There not putting money back into our country. Again Clinton CREATED 21 million private sector jobs in his 8 years. Why change something that was working so well?? Because rich boy George wanted more for less. He was the only president ever to start a war and give a tax cut in the same year. Then he started another one he couldn’t pay for. But Obama is trying to destroy the country. You people are something.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          jamie,
          you forget your hero himself said that Afghanistan was a “neccessary” war!!!! now how can the war there be wrong for Bush and right for Nobama???? gITMO was wrong for Bush and right under Nobama?? Patriot act was wrong for Bush and right for Nobummer??? See where your thinking is kinda WRONG???

          • Denniso

            I might agree that we had to go after the Taliban for harboring bin Ladden, but the war should have been conducted much better and should have been over 5 yrs ago…but no, Bush dithered because he had to invade Iraq and spread the military’s resources thin. That’s why Bush deserves blame, not finishing the war quickly enough when he had the chance and could have saved thousands of lives,including U.S. kids.

        • Dan Burke

          If you believed the economy would solely be decided by tax cuts, then you must think the economy is as simple as my illustration. That would be a mistake. The tax cuts may have worked, but no tax cut in the world can stop you from going bankrupt when you are spending more than you make! (Note: the average American spends 104% of what they earn, so we have a problem with spending and credit) It doesn’t matter if you are a business, a bank, or the federal government. The only advantage the federal government has is that they can print more money and tell everyone that the debts are paid and there is nothing you can do about it. Wake up! Here’s some issues you may not have noticed. For example, the economy is partially global. We could do all the right things here in America and you would still have a bumpy ride if other countries were doing stuff, um, like nationalizing international industries (it IS happening and isn’t just a thing of the past–so what happens if your company loses a factory in another country because the government steps in takes it over–they aren’t getting there money back…). Greece ran out of money and how many nations pumped in money? And, hate it to break it to you, but although Greece made the national news (at least Fox News) this was not the first country to suffer from overspending. When the big bailouts happened for our banks (you know, about the time of TARP was it?), that is when banks started the policy of stopping lending. So you say the tax cuts didn’t stop the recession. You are right. They couldn’t. The only way to have stopped the recession is to have stopped a long time ago the policies that we are now pursuing full steam under President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid. It didn’t start now. It didn’t start with Bush. This has been a long time brewing. Take the home you might own (or think you own), how many people bought into the idea that it was good for people to own homes. We were told that it brought financial security and prosperity. This was a logical fallacy. Home ownership might be an indicator of financial security and prosperity but it does not produce it. If we were financial prosperous it would have happened, but forcing up home ownership does not work the same way as creating financial prosperity. One method was bound to fail because it was based on a lie. Because we bought the lie, we ended up with a LOT of people in homes that they could not afford. Not then. Not now. But because of our bleeding hearts of mercy we decided what was best for them because we could not tolerate the idea that they didn’t have their own home. Well, I live in an apartment! With four kids and my wife! I KNOW I cannot afford a home. I did not buy the bum deal. But how many did buy into this (maybe you didn’t but many did). Well, we got a massive housing bubble. A glut of people buying (and many could not afford homes) drove up housing prices. How many did you think would be impacted by the collapse of the bubble? Just a couple realtors? Just the banks? Just the government (which is a self-deception because the money for government comes from all of us)? How much were you willing to spend to prop up the bubble? Here’s a little reality check. Nothing you could do would have stopped it from bursting. The only difference would be is how much you would be able to help your neighbor after the bubble burst. Would you be broke too with no money to help them food, water, and clothing or to share a room over your own head? Or would let it pop while some of us still had the ability to help a neighbor? Part of the bubble was housing prices, and that upset a lot of people that their homes lost value and so they soaked government for money (which should never have been done) but how many government policies are to keep people in homes they cannot afford? We spent millions on home “bailouts” and what do the experts say after we have spent all this money on making these homes more affordable. One, many did not qualify that this was supposedly targeted for. Two, of those that did receive help, MOST are still expected to DEFAULT. But I know those of you who think the Bush tax cuts are the problem will NEVER accept that perhaps we should let these people lose those homes. If the government keeps it up, you ought to sign your home over to the government now. Save yourself some time and effort. And while you are it, sign over your children and your personal liberties. No matter how you alter the books, we promoted the sale of homes to people who could not afford it without considering the consequences. Now we’ve got to start paying the consequences or the consequences will continue to grow. And as the interest on all this debt grows, there WILL come the point that nothing can be done to pay the debt except to make everything (your property and personal desires and ambitions) property of the government. At first, the benefits will be great under the government controlled economy but when they run out of your money (where do you think the money for the government to spend comes from–they are creating jobs with all that money they TAXED from a free market that would reward rich people with more wealth for creating jobs–but instead a government stooge will decide all those “wealth” decisions), well, when they run out money, I hope you have your fire bombs ready and everything else those people in Greece are doing because you will be on the streets complaining about the loss of all those good things in life….

          So let me state it again, we are upset with the Rs and the Ds. Neither party was doing right by the American people. All the tax cuts in the world could not have stopped the economy from collapsing.

          Let me put it another way. If you have a cut and are bleeding, do you use antiseptic before or after you cover it with a bandage? Most of us do it before. Why? Because the bandage may prevent the antiseptic from reaching the wound. America had a large financial wound. The Bush tax cuts were an antiseptic. They only helped superficially. This doesn’t mean that tax cuts don’t work. It rather means we were ignoring the problem and pretending that just tax cuts would fix it all. All the while the Republicans in control back then did everything the Democrats are doing now, just not as fast and furious. Many of us know that the tax cuts were only an antiseptic for a much deeper problem. Something that would take stitches, maybe a cast, and maybe a few bones snapped back in to place too. But we knew that even if we could not get the proper treatment, perhaps the tax cuts could prevent the recession from deepening (much like battle triage to keep a wound from festering).

          I think this will be my last post in this thread for a bit. If you truly believe in a free market you will favor the tax cuts staying in place because you believe that will give you a chance at gainful employ, and maybe the chance at being your own millionaire someday if you put in the hard work and make the changes you need (who knows maybe you are a millionaire now and just want the tax breaks to go away to make it impossible for someone like me to follow in my father’s footsteps and go from broke to rich)…. Oh wait! Didn’t you know that there is more than one purpose for our tax system? One, to get money from the rich to give it to the poor–and thus rewarding poor and punishing rich? The other, often neglected is to keep the rest of us from becoming rich. Think about it. Every time your income goes up, so do your taxes. The more you work, the less of your “reward” you get to keep. The system is meant to keep you poor so you don’t ever threaten the rich. Notice also that politicians kept getting rich even in this recession. And many of the big money rich people didn’t suffer much either. The ones the tax hikes will hurt the most is those trying to go from poor to rich. Those who are filthy rich have the money to make sure they pay little to no taxes, while those who are moving up that will be kept down among the poor. Ain’t nothing about redistribution in these tax laws. It is about keeping the rich and the poor in two separate classes. I find it ironic that if we were to slide into a Communist/Marxist economy that those best positioned to be in power and in control (and thus be rich) are the wealthy. Not all the wealthy, as some seem to be more likely to just skip country than stay and take over. But President Obama is wealthy. The great advocate of man-caused global warming, Al Gore, he’s wealthy (and as others have said elsewhere–if the oceans really are going to rise, then why did he buy an ocean front mansion–note that mansions have an “evil” carbon footprint too)….

          But if you are firm believer in socialism, marxism, or nay other ism that believes it would be better that government managed the money of the world than I don’t believe there is anything any of us can say to prove you wrong. The only way to “cure” you would be to have you live under those conditions. The only problem for us is that we look at history and we don’t want to live there too!!! On paper, it looks great. But every historical application outside of a small VOLUNTARY community setting, they all break down. And while people complain of rich versus poor now, haves versus have nots. Under those systems it actually gets worse! 60k would actually be lavish under those systems, but if you make 60k now, imagine if you had to live off of 12k instead? Under governments that some use an -ism, that may even be a bit high of an estimate of what your lifestyle would be like. I wish I could say, “don’t take my word for it”–but as I said, I don’t want to live under that economic model. I have a wife and four kids, making less than 40k. There is no way I want people taking from the rich to give to the poor because I know that it isn’t poor people that created my job. Or the job I had before this one. Or the job I had before I was unemployed for about a year. All of the jobs I have had were created by some RICH, RICH, RICH person. Not one by a poor person. And even take my dad who became someone who invested (and created jobs), he did not “create” jobs when he was poor but through hard work and personal sacrifices he was able to take a little money and make it grow until he then “funded” a few small businesses…. And even by today’s standard, after he lost a lot of his fortune in the stock market he is still rich because he has done one thing no one else hardly ever does anymore. He manages his money! He spends less than he makes. And since the average American spend 104% of their income that means someone else must spend a bit more than 104% because my dad skews it by being rich and spending less than 100% of what he earns. And while it has been a struggle to teach my wife (an accountant by training) to do likewise, that means I know two families that spend less than 100% of what they earn (although at 40k with 4 kids my wife and I find that we can barely manage to spend less than 100% of what we earn so we are focusing paying off our debts and what little else on trying to actually IMPROVE our ability to earn money. Oh my!!!! What a novel idea!!! Hint: my dad owns a large house, boat, several cars, and he only OWES taxes on all of those. Everything PAID for. He also does NOT give spoil us but requires that we learn to provide for ourselves and our own families. Plus, he did lose a fortune in the market crashes. Just with everything already paid for he does not need as much to live off of. But our government passes a balanced budget bill and the first thing they do is start making exceptions for all sort of “emergencies.” As I said before, investors aren’t stupid. Sure, some make mistakes. We all do, and they’ll lose their money. And those of us small fries with our managed 401k will lose our money–we aren’t real investors no matter what your 401k managers might tell you (they make money selling you that 401k…). But real investors, well, they take their money out and put in the market long before we realize what is happening. So they aren’t stupid at all. They are making predictions long before we are even considering things. The real money, well, it speaks volumes. And the fact that they aren’t spending right now and creating jobs should tell you that they might be projecting that it is better to hold their money under this Presidency! Because if they dare spend it or even make a dime it will be taxed! We’ve been making them out as enemies of the people, of America, and then we wonder why they don’t invest??? We sure are stupid!!! Is that like petting a venomous snake and then wondering why we are dying from a snake bite? Except in this case, we make an enemy of our best friend and then wondering why they never come to visit anymore?

          Take Obama’s idea of a special tax break for small businesses. The small businesses aren’t all stupid. They see big tax hike over in one corner of the arena revving up to mow them down and then the very same government from the very same corner is offering them a bucket of water and towel. I think they would like the big bull out of the ring? And it isn’t just the Bush tax cuts. We talk about the Bush tax cuts, but if I am not mistaken tax hikes were included in the Bush era too. It wasn’t all peachy keen for small businesses. And we’ve got more in health care and more regulations on banks cutting off their credit supply to expand their businesses…. It often looks more like they are small 120 pound boy in ring full of 200 pound boxing champions while government offers them a mouth guard, towel, and bucket to spit in–and they aren’t sure if the bucket is for them or all the other behemoths.

          Take for example Wal-mart. President Obama promised us that he would enact policies that would necessarily cause our electricity rates to soar. Well, it turns out that Wal-mart is investing in solar for more of their stores. Perhaps they are reading the writing on the wall for our future. Perhaps they are hedging their bets. If the EPA ignores congress and starts mandating CO2 emissions without “Cap & Tax,” this might just buy Wal-mart some time because the EPA will start hunting down smaller businesses that cannot afford the big money to defend themselves, plus Wal-mart will be ahead of the game so the EPA would just look stupid if they did target the chain. Of course, they could just be doing this because it will save them money…. Again, as I said before, the fact that investors are holding their money is extremely telling. If the real money were talking, it seems to be saying that right now is not the time for them to be creating jobs. In fact, dropping the tax cuts might actually accelerate this problem. Because as cut the incentive to make money, so too do you find that less people are motivated to make money. This is why Cold War Russia had two classes–those in power who had some pleasures in life and everyone else who was dirt, dirt poor.

        • Christin

          Jamie,

          “Why did we fall into a recession?” Recessions probably happen as a result of several reasons (in our country and world wide), NOT just one. I do not see tax cuts as a reason as the TAX rates were much lower for most of our country’s history and we were not always in a recession.

          Possible reasons that led up to this recession / depression/ inflation / hyperinflation:

          1. Under Clinton the Housing Bubble was drafted and put into place by Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, Chris Dodd and other Demos which forced banks to offer loans to those who could not pay and selling the subprime loans to banks. Bush2 warned of this problem, but the Demo Congress said it was stable and no need to look into it. (Thank you Barney Frank and company)

          2. The FED controls the interest rates and the flow of money and thus recessions/ depressions… and printing money gives way to inflation/ hyperinflation… The FED is unconstitutional, but set up to control America.

          3. Governmental Regulations and Taxes on Companies and Banks doing daily business interfers with profits and puts a DRAG on the Economy so that many businesses leave America and go abroad where there is less governmental interferences and they can make and sell goods and services and still make a profit.
          However, we, “America”, are not a “producing” country anymore… only a “consuming” country… that is important because a country that produces can climb out of a recession quicker as they are strong and have (JOBS and)goods to sell to other countries thus bringing money back in to help the economy and recovery effort.

          4. Unions interfere with a sound economy, because the way they function now is really to make Union Bosses rich and powerful and it puts the state government into debt by promising wages after retirement that are much more that were ever put in by each individual… thus a state deficet and recession ensues.
          (For EX “Person A” puts in $150,000 into pension over 30 years, retires at 60 and receives for example $1000 a month… now multiply: $1000 x 12 (months) = $12,000. Now multiply $12,000 x 30 years (age person lives from 60 to 90) = $360,000. (Of course most pensions are probably a LOT higher than my example.) The state will have to raise TAXES to meet the pension needs and TAX PAYING citizens will pay to compensate for that loss of spending.

          5. Many Job killing and Business killing Congressional/ WH BILLS will stifle the economy and lengthen it also such as the uncertainty that this administration is doing in epic proportions:

          * Finance Regulations, (to burden companies: Main Street,but not on Wall Street or Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac),
          * Cap and Tax … tax emissions will lines Global Warming Elites pockets, but not control pollution or grow the economy or jobs),
          * Card Check (to impose MORE Unions and pension problems and lose private jobs),
          * Gov Health care Tax (on all workers/employees will make businesses stop hiring and expanding and put the Private Sector Insurance jobs and companies out of business.)

          6. 47% on Americans and illegals pay NO TAXES into the system, thus the rest are burdened to pay for them with higher prices and taxes.

          7. Amnesty to all illegals BEFORE SECURING the Borders will bring an influx of people that frankly we can’t pay for… the ones that are already here have put a huge DRAIN on our States and Gov budgets. Americans have been paying for them through HIGHER PRICES and TAXES for years already and frankly that’s not fair.

          8. State and Federal Bloated Budgets and Deficets are also a big contributor to an unstable economy creating recessions. Big Government expands it’s Beaurocracies (governmental agencies)and gov personnel with HIGH SALARIES and you guessed it… BIG PENSIONS at the expense of guess who…yes, the tax payers! Congress passes BIG SPENDING BILLS and puts more debt on America. Russia and China and others are buying our debt and we have allowed them to call the shots in some instances as hey, they own us! So much for security and a Sovereign State.

          I’m sure there are other resons to list, but I am tired of explaining what probably most of these posters already know. Hope this makes CLEAR to you and others who can’t see what we all do.

          It is my and most of the posters here belief that these things are being done intensionally to crash our monetary system, kill our Constitution and sovereignty, take way American citizens Freedoms, Rights and Liberties, and break our Capitalistic Free Market System by overwhelming the System… complements of Saul Alinsky… and the Ruling Class (present WH and company… progressive congress, soros…).

          • Denniso

            Actually, tax rates are at historic lows and during the boom days of Clinton they were higher than now. The debate now is whether to allow the rates to return to those higher rates. For the rich, it’s only a move from about 36% to 39%…not that big a deal,is it?

  • http://gmail i41

    The stimulas was just a over bloated plan llike Omoron lite did several decades ago, FDR. Listening to Onumnutts saying governemnt should pay it way, what marxist muslim moron, the only way governemnt pays it way is taxing us more. If citizens want more money in their pockets, cut the government reach up you behinds and in your life. I know the mention of “safety net programs” getting put in the dung heap of life, makes socialisttd wig out!

  • James

    We seem to have lost sight of how we got into this mess. Almost every individual and business were operating on credit, they had spent all their reserves, hocked homes and business property to buy more stuff, on time, and were living from hand to mouth. All that it took was for one sector, the new-housing industry, to default on their loans and the whole house of cards came down. If, instead of borrowing, people and businesses had only spent money that they had earned, this woudln’t have happened.

    • a progressive nightmare

      The housing market was destroyed by Franks and Dodd through their scandles with Fannie % Freddie.

  • RB at CT

    Let us not forget the original stimulus package was signed by George Bush. It’s considered the Reagan way “Print money”. More is better.
    BTW: Big business and big govt no difference, they all converge.

    • 45caliber

      And if Bush hadn’t signed the bill, you’d have raised Cain about him not signing a Democrat bill, wouldn’t you.

  • Howard Roark

    For starters No President creates or losses jobs. niether does the Congress. all Congress can do is create or remove the legal parameters that business has to operate under.

    Jobs are created by citizens who save capitol and then are willing to risk that capitol on a business idea. GOVERNMENTS DO NOT CREATE WEALTH. GOVERNMENTS CONSUME WEALTH.

    As far as Govt spending money to get the Country out of depressoin, you need only to look at Frankie the Marxist Rosevelt. several universities have done study’s on Rosevelt. (not who he was as thats been looked at a thousand times but WHAT DID HE DO AND WHAT WERE THE RESULTS. they all concluded that Rosevelts actions caused the depression to last years longer than it would have. I know thats a shock to some people as they are still praising the fraudulent silver tounged devil.

  • Dale

    This is how we got in this mess. America’s most successful Socialist presidents: Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Barack H. Obama and Lyndon B. Johnson,
    America’s less successful Socialist Presidents: Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and Richard Nixon.
    Government produces nothing but bureaucracy. It only consumes wealth. Therefore, as government grows it consumes more of the people’s (private sector workers and businesses) production and savings.
    Government taxing reduces buying power, thereby, reducing the economy.
    Government spending returns money stolen from the private sector back to the victims.
    Government employees pay is government expense paid with tax revenue taken from the private sector.
    Government employees don’t contribute to the tax revenue base. You cannot pay taxes with taxes.
    Government employees don’t contribute to Social Security or any other benefits they receive. You cannot pay taxes with taxes.
    Government employee spending does not contribute to the economy because it is money taken from (reducing the economy) then partially returned to the same economy, but it never adds to the economy.

    It is impossible to have an economic recovery when jobless benefits are encouraging Americans to stay unemployed. U.S. unemployment insurance spending has nearly quadrupled since 2007 to $160 billion annually. Even food stamp costs have surged 80% over the past two years to $70 billion annually.
    Once Americans get used to receiving and relying on government entitlement programs, it is hard to wean them off of them. NIA has been hearing reports from members with friends who say they will only “come out of retirement” if they can find a job that pays $25 per hour or more, because with anything less it wouldn’t be worth losing their jobless and food stamp benefits.
    There is a common misconception about who pays taxes. All the taxes are paid by private sector businesses and 30% of the working population. Approximately 10% of the private sector population (wealthy) pays 40% of the taxes. The remaining 20% of the population and private sector businesses pay the other 60% of the taxes. The result is the inability to collect enough revenue to cover expenses so government creates debt.

    • 45caliber

      I agree. And when the government workers get paid nearly twice what private workers get, it is hard to pay their wages with taxes. Especially when there are as many government workers as private workers.

    • Karolyn

      Are you sure government workers don’t pay into SS and other taxes? I think you’re wrong. I worked for government agencies a couple of times many years ago, and my paycheck was lighter because of taxes. It doesn’t matter where the money is coming from; it’s going back anyway. Government employees are in essence paying themselves.

      • 45caliber

        Karolyn:

        Some do; some don’t. There are more managers than workers and the managers don’t. Even some workers don’t. They have their government pension plan and that’s it. Congress doesn’t pay into anything. Nor do most senior managers in government. Even many states don’t pay into it.

        But if you are willing to pay a few quarters of tax just before you retire, you can draw out of it without any problem at all.

  • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

    WOW!!!!! Where has all the money gone?????? I bet if you did an audit of the stimulus money,you would not be able to find it all…..What we need in America is to have every U.S.tax dollar spent put on the internet and let all of America see where there money is going…. I know,that will never happen because we have been SOLDOUT by the very people we elected to the white house…. Every elected offical should have an audit of their finances and the American people should be able to see the results of that audit…Also, If it is a felony to lie to congress,then it should be a felony for congress to lie to the American people… Does any elected offical really love their country??????

    • http://?? Joe H.

      guyb,
      you want to know where it went?!?!? You mean like the almost one million that went to Africa to teach African men how to properly wash up after sex???? Gee! that sure helped our economy!! Stimulated the hell out of it!!!

  • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

    Hello America….. If obama and reid and peeelosi really want to help America and the economy,then why did they kill 50,000 farms and farm workers jobs in northern california???? Peeeelosi said the delta smelt might go extinct if we do not cut the water off to all those northern california farmers…. Not true,we raise trout and salmon and catfish ect and we could raise millions of those little delta smelt on just one acre of delta water….How come peeeelosi still gets all the water she wants for her multi million dollar northern california vineyards? Hello America, are you okay with peeeelosi and the far left democrats killing jobs over a fish or are you mad?? Look,If we can get back 50,000 jobs in northern california by just turning the water on and obama and reid and peeeelosi will not do it and it would cost nothing to do,then how do you think obama and reid and peeeelosi will create jobs with almost one trillion dollars of tax payers money???Can you say SOLDOUT???? They all have there swiss style offshore bank accounts and the ones who get these crazy ear marks are also filling up our SOLDOUT elected officals banks accounts. People like george soros and other special interest friends of our elected officals are getting crazy uncontested contracts and they are giving kickbacks(BRIBES) back to our elected officals and we the American people are paying for it… America,Are you okay with this??? Well I am not….Lets vote these stealing elected officals out of office and force whoever runs for office to there promises….

    • Karolyn

      Are you talking farm-raised fish? Who wants ‘em anyway?

      • 45caliber

        What he is talking about is some fish that the environmentalists say will go extinct if they don’t provide them with water. As he says, make up some fish farms and grow them – and use the extra water as needed. And, as he says, Pelousy gets all the water she wants; she is just cutting off water to others to help the fish.

      • a progressive nightmare

        karolyn, The day will probably come that you will willingly eat a skunk.

      • Claire

        Karolyn–Farm fed fish–this could happen very easily especially with the way the oil spills are polluting all the oceans, the Gulf, etc. It appears come of these big companies are out to destroy everything they touch. They don’t give a crap just as long as the money keeps rolling in.

  • patrick

    IT is simple folks. Question: Do unemployed people pay taxes? No or very little. Question: How many of the the lazy, stupid, entitlement loving people in our society start or create jobs? None. So what we have is the rich and wealthy members of society pay the largest part of this country’s tax burden, and they are the people that start or expand business’s which create jobs. They are constantly burdened with more and higher taxes to pay for and keep us dummies alive. We should be thanking them and supporting their needs so they continue to support us and pay for our bills. As you all know, most of us rely on the rich for their continued support which keeps us alive and sitting on our fat asses so we can sit and watch TV or play games all day. If we continue to believe Obammy boy and his crew of crooked czars, only failure will result from his socialistic plans.

    • http://personalLibertynews Jamie

      Patrick its a very simple question. The RICH have had there cuts for 9 years now. We’re are the jobs? They started leaving 2 years before Obama got there. Can’t blame him for the 8 million jobs lost under Bush and his tax cuts. If they’re not working by now there not going to work. Isn’t that what you people always say. It’s already been tried and it didn’t work,socializism. I can say the exact same thing about these tax cuts. If you people want to audit were the money went i suggest you start with the Iraq war. 4 trillion dollars later. 5500 dead soldiers later. Put a price tag on that Patrick.

      • 45caliber

        I can certainly blame Oblama for the millions of jobs that have been lost SINCE he took office! Why should WE pay $2 million per worker to keep or create new jobs? And that is the estimate of the cost. Why should we pay to subsidise the GM employees because they are union? They get paid more than I do! Let them take wage cuts just like I have had to do to keep a job.

        • Bob

          Obama and Bush. Both weasels.

          • denniso

            Jaimie is correct, empty shell is wrong…

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Jamie,
        What about the estimated six trillion that has been spent in the same amount of time on illegal aliens that nobummer wants to give amnesty to???

        • Denniso

          That’s ridiculous! No 6 trillion $$ has been spent on illegals ever! That’s pure baloney…

      • dan az

        Jamie
        One word Nafta!

        • Claire

          dan az– Look up the politicians that voted for Nafta. And some keep on getting a bid for re-election. Go figure.

    • James

      It depends on whether you think a communist dictatorship is a failure.

  • Howard Roark

    Dale. You have got it right on. thank you

  • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

    Back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, you, no! you, you, no! you. You have been enslaved an your still playing the LIE. Play the fiddle, sing the tune and dance your arses into the tyranny.

    • 45caliber

      What is your point? Or are you just ranting?

  • http://personalLibertynews Jamie

    Dagney you poor sap. If the rich are creating the jobs based on the Bush tax cuts where are they at?? They’ve had this TAX CUT for 9 years now an no JOBS. No JOB under Bush. That shoots the biggest holes possible in your pitiful answer. Geez the RIGHT can’t admit being wrong ever. Bush was never wrong. Not to hear him tell it anyway. Just like you Dagney , Bush is living in denial. We’re was the JOBS before Obama took over? We we’re loosing them 1/2 a million a month in Georges last 6 months. How was that Obama’s fault.

    • 45caliber

      Jamie:

      As far as I’m concerned when Oblama signed a bill of almost a trillion dollars of pork projects and payoffs to his supporters, he became owner of the jobs disappearing in GA and other states. Has YOUR household picked up any extra money since he took over? I seriously doubt it. And as long as you continue to blame Bush, he has no reason to correct things.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        45caliber,
        And if this amnesty bill attached to the troop funding bill goes through, then Reid and Nobummer own that as well. to attach pork to a troop funding bill is almost equal to treason against our military forces!!! These ba$tards need to be ca$trated for what they are doing!!!

    • James

      Jamie, you are forgetting why those jobs were lost. Jobs were lost because too many Americans went too far in debt, and when some couldn’t make their house payments, that started foreclosures. That resulted in a declining new-house market, and many in that industry were unemployed. These unemployed people then spent less money into the economy, which resulted in layoffs in the businesses that suffered from that. This spread to all industries, and layoffs are still continuing. My son, a Senior Project Manager in a structural engineering company was laid off just last week. With everyone operating on credit, no one could pay their bills when their income declined a little. It’s operating on credit, instead of cash reserves, that brought us down.

  • Howard Roark

    Actually when the Bush Congress, assisted by Democrats, voted in the tax rate reductions, the economy did expand for awhile. that is until the Congress decided to SPEND. first the Republican Congress and then when the Dems took over the Democrat Congress spent money wildly.

    Then the economy tanked. Caused by Freddie and Fanny, who for years bought bad loans from the banks. The banks knowing that Freddie and Fanny would buy the loans sight unseen practiced very bad banking principals. (you never lend money to someone that cannot pay it back)not a good idea but who cares wken the Government will buy the loan and take the responsibility.

    We are continuing to lose jobs because the banks, investors and business are uncertain what to expect next from Obama and his administration. the people mentioned can not even count on the rule of law anymore. Remember when Obama totally violated contract law when he unconstitutionally took over the auto industries.

    when people invest in corporate bonds they are considered to be fairly secure investment because under contract law when a corp. fails the bond holders are the first to be paid. Obama threw the book out the window when he first told the auto corps. that they could not file bankruptcy. (The law clearly says that they do have that option) He then paid the unions first (His friends) and the bond holders last. (BOTH ACTS ARE AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENCE)

    Add on top of that no one knows what tax policys are going to be in effect tomorrow and with no budget passed no one can predict with any certainty what spending is going to take place and how it will effect the economy.

    and you wonder why banks, investors and businesses are sitting on tons of money and are not investing or loaning it. (And jobs are not being created)

    You see Obama is at fault. The man has committed the above crimes and many other impeachable offenses such as promising money to the World Bank without clearing it with Congress, Interfearing in election law by promising a position to an individual if that person would not run in his political race, and by trying to get his friend Vallerie Jarret into his (Obamma’s) old senate seat through our old friend Bloggo.

    • 45caliber

      Keep in mind that Clinton and even Carter pushed for those bad loans. Clinton commented something along the lines of : “If a bank doesn’t have at least 20% bad loans they aren’t doing their business right.” He wanted all banks to knowingly make bad loans – and promised that the government through Freddie and Fannie would pick up the pieces.

      And when Bush tried to get them audited, the Dems cut him off. When Oblama took over, he knew the problem – and left the same people in place.

  • http://gmail i41

    guyb. karolyn is a simpole minded organic idoit. Socialist dumbocrats like farm raised fish and s–t from Asian markets. The green weiniers are the smucks who embrace the 3rd world UN morons. The wildlife crap has been one expensive b–l s–t waste of money. The wolf reintroduction and protect the bears. When a few of the flaky retards get eaten by mt. lions and canivors, well that cleaned out a few more dumbazzes. The 60′s drug heads now in power and the same stupid mental drug induced fog just never disappates the assine dreams that never works. News that the idoit running against O’Donnel, is a avowed marxist democrap and everyone can now be assured the National Socialist Democrat Union Party is now the marxist party of all democrats. Jamie do you read history books and see the parelles of Wilson, FDR and Onumnutts and why the first 2 were the lite weighs. After the democraps took over congress the last 2 years of Busdhes last term was when jobs started disappearing, after 9-11 jobs returned and we had our best unemployment numbers, tax cuts create jobs, has always been a proven fact. Or were you in nappies, when Reagan increased jobs after peanuts the nut. GW created jobs after his tax cuts, when democraps said he could never create jobs. Onumnutts and socialist dumbocraps have been losing jobs since they took over almost 4 years ago and it only gets worse. Why the loose spending for the marxist democrap thugs and the mental migetary of their brain waves. Dumbocraps never do anything different, their money plan has never worked for Wilson ,FDR, and really was a giant f–k up in these few months. It isn’t Bushes problem it is the moronic jackasses that voted for the marxist lazy assed welfare dreaming pus brains that embraced this sorry puke laden party. I think all democraps along with the party should be fined like the Aryan nation was fined for members behavior and the leader gets jailed for life with his buddy Rufus.

    • Karolyn

      Hey, i41, If I’m “simpole” minded, that’s OK. It really is better to “Keep It Simple, Stupid.” You know what they say – “Ignorance is bliss.” Just look at how happy mentally handicapped people are. They just know they will be taken care of, just as we all are taken care of by the grace of God. Re-read the passage in the Bible about the Lilies of the field.

      As I read your posts, you make me smile. I see a grumpy old man picking out the keys with one finger and mumbling under his breath.

      • a progressive nightmare

        and I see a air-head trying to read a daily progressive script.

        • Karolyn

          Nightmare – You must have me mixed up with somebody else.

          • denniso

            Nightmare goes rabbid against anyone who doesn’t appear to fit his extreme rightwing views…

            He’s better off ignored,as he never says anything of substance.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            denniso,
            AND YOU DO?!?!? HaHaHaHaHaHaH!!!!! ROTFALMAO!!!! You oughta do stand-up dude!!!!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Karolyn,
        The mentally handicapped may be ignorant at times but they are FAR mor intelligent than you!!!! Thyey will not make snide remarks about people that can’t defend themselves!! You show your true colors with that statement!!! YOU are the one that is truly ignorant!!!

        • Karolyn

          Joe H. What are you talking about? “Making snide remarks about people who can’t defend themselves.” Who? I made no snide remarks against the mentally handicapped. I have worked with them, and they are very happy people for the most part because they don’t have the intellect to give a damn about politics or racism or bigotry, etc. That’s not being snide. You take yourself far too seriously. Please read posts before blasting them. Yet another “Give me a break!”

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Karolyn,
            Oh you didn’t use the phrase that ignorance is bliss?? I’ll have you know I have a mentally handicapped son and I don’t appreciate your stupid comments. You truly ARE the ignorant one since you can’t make your point without verbally insulting a person that can’t defend themselves. guess what, lady? I can and will stick up for them!

          • libertytrain

            Joe H – human kindness and empathy is more often than not missing from the libs – it’s ok to call everyone racist if they didn’t vote for Obama and it’s ok to insult the innocents like your son – because they are not even cognizant of their own racist tendencies – as we have been shown time and time again.

          • Denniso

            Why, then,are liberals often called ‘bleeding hearts’?? Because they have ‘cold hearts’?

  • Bud (response to Jamie)

    The problem with the Marxist types, like JAMIE, is they have never actually run a business.
    They have no clue…about paying taxes, or payroll, …or much else that has to do with the real world.

    The amount of money it takes to run a business is much greater than they realize.
    The business my wife & I had was taxed to death.
    When the sales tax went up 1% to 9.25%, we actually lost business.
    I know you Marxists will say 1% does not matter, and no one will “consciously” care, or spend less.
    But the long term metrics don’t lie…sales slumped on the chart because of that Tax increase.
    And when your small business is already slumping, you simply can’t
    afford to pay more tax. It kills the business. And that kills everything else!
    Because when you kill a business, you loose all forms of tax collection, and all that the business created and supported.

    Let me show you why.
    When our business issued a check to an employee, it had to go to a payroll company so they can deduct all those taxes from your paycheck.
    There are too many convoluted taxes to try and pay the state board of equalization
    Without the payroll company, and do it yourself…trust me!
    And…every time you see those deductions on YOUR check,…the employer is ALSO
    paying those taxes on your check as well!
    Think about that! Your employer is MATCHING your taxes!

    Now the payroll company also has to get paid, there is a cost.
    The office space has to paid for, (small office in Ca = ~5500/mo depending where you are & how much space).
    The city requires you pay the CAM fees for landscaping, etc. (the land lords never pay that, they pass it on to the small business owner).
    ….This is just grazing the surface. There are so many expenses to run a business it is sickening!

    When you create a heavily taxed environment for business, you will loose business.
    When you loose business, you will loose tax collection.
    If you want to loose tax collection, raise the taxes. It’s ironic but true.

    When my wife and I could no longer afford to stay in business (we grossed 18,000/mo and still could not make a profit), this is what happened:

    a) We had to lay all the employees off, (None of the taxes were collected from their checks).
    b) We no longer matched those taxes to the state board of equalization.
    c) The payroll company no longer got paid (no taxes collected there)
    d) The Vendors and suppliers no longer made sales to us (no taxes collected there)
    e) The accounting firm no longer got paid (no taxes collected there)
    f) The credit card companies and all the support companies for them no longer got paid.
    (no taxes collected there).
    g) The office lease went unpaid (as well as the CAM). (So, no taxes collected there).
    (This is just scratching the surface. My wife could go on and on with this list).
    So, no State, federal, or local taxes were collected,…when we closed the business.

    Bottom line: over tax the people and the businesses and you will only loose tax collection.

    This same thing goes for minimum wage requirements.
    If a small business can only afford to pay employees $6/hour. Then that’s all you can earn…if you want to work THAT job. If you don’t like the pay, then get a different job.
    But to have the Marxist state of California dictate you MUST pay $8/hr to a HS kid who is only taking the job for a retail discount, and is living at home, is wreckless social engineering!
    And that social engineering will KILL our economy…for all the reasons I just stated above.

    Some of you will recognize the Reaganomics I just outlined.
    Back in the 80’s this worked. In some cases, It took 10years for it to benefit the main stream economy. Just like they said it would.
    And Bill Clinton rode this WAVE that Reaganomics created.

    For instance the INTERNET went live in the 80s because the pentagon invested money in things like de-centralized communications, so a general could stay in contact with soldiers in the field.
    That resulted in the civilian INTERNET BOOM of the 90s which Bill Clinton got to ride for free.

    Also created in the 80s ,…pentagon research funding for what we now call… a PENTIUM PROCESSOR!
    YEAH, that’s right, Intel knows damn well who buttered their bread!

    These, and many other things were the result of LOWER TAXES and Reaganomics!

    Reagan lowered taxes and said to the spenders…deal with it!
    Obama is going spend the money (money we don’t even have), then
    he will have to raise taxes to try and pay for it!

    The next 10 years are going to be economic HELL because of these
    (already proven to fail), Marxist policies.

    God help us!

    • Karolyn

      Isn’t there something on the table in Congress about tax breaks for small business? I had a business, a very small business; but it did cost to run it because everything costs more for a business. Taxes should be cut or suspended for small business, but they sould be raised for giant corporations. Why should they be allowed to operate tax free? They take their business out of the country and still get tax breaks.

      No too long ago Warren Buffett compared his deductions to his secretary’s and found huge inequality. He then decided to have more taxes taken out of his pay. Now there’s a REAL businessman! If you notice, those that give away boatloads of money, like Buffett and Gates, aren’t running out, are they? The more you give, the more you get. It’s karma.

      • denniso

        The rich have been getting away w/ financial murder for too long. They don’t effectively even pay tax…sure they pay out money,but they have the clout to adjust their incomes up so high that the tax is nothing like the burden it is to normal,working people,it isn’t a burden at all to the rich. If the multi millionaires/billionaires want to exist at a certain level that affords them everything they desire,they make sure that their net income after taxes reaches that level…simple, or they lobby the gov’t to lower taxes to maintain their lifestyle. CEO’s and other bigshots sit on each others boards and manipulate salary packages for
        the ‘club’ so they can live exactly how they desire. All middle income working people live their entire lives w/ a very real burden of paying taxes w/ very little disposable income or frills in life.

  • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

    During The Bush years we had 9/11 and katrina and the democrats had control of the congress and pelosi has been speaker since 06 or so…One obama stimulus was more than both wars going on right now put together…Can you tell me where the money spent is right now????Look, republicans and democrats both have a part to blame and all parties need to man up and admit there faults….But,I can say that tax cuts and not more government is the best way out of this major mess. How about we audit the stimulus money and I can assure you that you will not know or find out where tens of billions of that money went to….Can you say offshore accounts???? Can you say george soros???? The whole stinkin white house is crooked and all white house elected officals should be auditted……Oh,one more thing,Mr President Sir,without sidestepping the question and no we do not want you to wear it on your forehead,Where is your birth certificate????

    • denniso

      How can someone be so wrong and yet so adament on the issues?

      The Repubs held Congress until taking back control in ’07…the stimulus bill was about 780 billion and the total longterm cost of just the Iraq war will be more than a trillion $$, probabaly pushing two, and it’s not over genius. The Afghan war is also not over and will be at least a trillion $$ or more. You don’t appear to mind the hundreds of thousands of dead from the wars, civilians,children,babies,old menand women,and our young men and women.

      • denniso

        ‘until the Dems took back control in ’07′…

      • http://?? Joe H.

        denniso,
        Again you progs ignore the fact that your hero ALSO said that Afghanistan is a neccessary war!!!! So quit B!tchin’ about Afghanistan!!!!

        • Denniso

          Cheny/Bush wasted 7yrs on the war because they decided they had to go after Saddam and pull resources from Afghanistan. They gave the Taliban time to regroup and become a fighting force again, when they could have been crushed initially. That’s why we bitch about that war…more dead civilians and dead and maimed U.S. kids.

        • Claire

          The current administration had every chance to put an end to this war but they have decided to continue it. I say both administrations have fueled this war. The “blame” cannot be placed all on Bush, Obama and this administration is keeping the war going. Also, There are plenty of Republicans that want to keep it going. Besides, I think Obama has followed the Bush agenda in many ways.

  • RB at CT

    Any solutions / ideas.
    All Presidents and elected officials are bought by some one.
    Dick head and George Bush were bought out by the Oil and Arms industry. That is why only those two industries did well between 2000 – 2008 while the remaining economy went down the tube. Still paying for wars that we should not have got into. Talking about contract violation Dick head and GW should have been impeached long time ago for lying through their teeth and blaming it on CIA. Impeaching them would have kept the country from the current chaos.

    • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

      Mostly correct. Bush and cheney had special interest in hali burton ect and should be held accountable for that.Sadam did have weapons of mass destruction but we gave them six months notice so they ended up moving them to syria… Sadam used them on his own people when Bill(hillary) were running the country and bill had to bomb them at that time so he had those wmd then…Both ruling parties have been bought off and Americans should have a hanging party for all those elected officals who have sold us out…Treason is what we do call that and obama and reid and pelosi fall into that one too..We need for someone to step up and run for office and I do not care if its a rep or dem I just want someone to run who really loves America and will put the American people first and will not be bought off by soros types ect…Its not the party but the person who matters to me…

      • Denniso

        Ever heard of satellite photos and surveillance? How about plain old high and low altitude photo surveillance? How would Saddam have moved tons of WMD to Syria w/o us knowing when we had spied on and watched him since the Gulf war?

        No, Saddam did not have WMD,except for the poison gas he used w/ our assistance(Reagan)against the Iranians in their war. Reagan gave Saddam satellite maps for targeting the battlefield w/ gas.

        • Denniso

          GuyB…you are making some rather grand and sweeping generalizations.
          Virtually everyone who has the guts and courage to remain in our toxic
          political system loves our country…many are misguided and some get swayed by personal gain,but to say they don’t love the country is wrong.

          • a progressive nightmare

            Denniso, Do you love our country enough to strap on a 80lb ruck sack and an M16, then jump out of a perfectly good airplane in the middle of a firefight?

        • http://?? Joe H.

          dennislobber,
          Can you say cloud cover??? can you say out of range satilites?? Can you say khurds??? how about yellow cake uranium??? Get your head out of the middle eastern SAND!!! Oh, speaking of sand and desert, They also found depleted rounds with traces of weapon grade chemicals on them buried right along side that mellon of a head you buried in their sand!!

          • Denniso

            You’re still clueless…even Cheny,Bush,Powell,Rice and more former Bush people say there WERE NO WMD, PERIOD!!! Even they don’t make the stupid A*s comment that they were removed. We were flying over Iraq for a decade, had spies on the ground,had total satellite coverage,intercepted radio communications, had leaked info…There is no way in hell that we wouldn’t know if any WMD had been moved into Syria!

            You party hacks can’t stand to admit any truth because it makes you look like fools to thinking people and even you know that, so you have to hold on to quack theories for your pathetic self esteem.

            Find a single reputable person who knows that WMD were moved and has a shred of evidence, then maybe some will listen to your pap…

  • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

    Can you say STIMULUS…. WOW,787 billion dollars and no jobs created….obama and reid and pelosi cut 50,000 jobs in northern california when they cut the water to all the farms and farm workers in northern california because obama and pelosi said a 2 inch delta smelt might go extinct….Well Mr. President Sir and yes you too mrs jet setter,we can raise millions of little delta smelt on just 1 acre of delta water just like we do trout and catfish and salmon ect but you,yes you mrs pelosi still get all the water you want for your multi million dollar northern california vineyards… How come you Mrs pelosi still gets to have all the water you want while 50,000 hard working farm workers stand in food lines unemployeed????Hello America, those northern california farm workers are Americans and we all need to stick together on this…We can get back 50,000 jobs right now in northern california and it would not cost us anything. WOW… Thats a 100,000 job turn around and it would not cost the tax payers one dime….We can go from 50,000 workers with no jobs to 50,000 workers with jobs… That means 50,000 more people putting into the system and 50,000 less people needing to pull from the system….Hello Liberals, Why do you not want us to have jobs????? Could it be one world order???? To control all of us they need to control the media,they have most of that already,they have to control the banking system,they already bought that,they have to control healthcare,obamacare anyone???? They have to control They have to control the water and the food….WOW, how long will we stay asleep????? We need to vote these far left Liberal democrats out and stop the spending madness.We spend over 300 billion dollars a year on just oil and more when the price is higher from opec ect and we could keep that money here in America if we just drill on the bakken and anwar sites as well as colorado and such…Our environmentalist are backed by opec and saudi arabia,do you know why???? They do not want us to drill… If we were oil independent and did not need opec then if they kill each other and keep fighting in the middle east the price of oil would not be affected here because we would have are own….WOW,,, We could save over three trillion dollars every ten years if we had our own oil and that is alot of jobs…. We have more oil on the bakken reserves than saudi arabia has in there whole country… Put in bakken into your internet and see for yourself…America can be and should be completely independent but our leaders will not let us be….

    • Karolyn

      Hey, why don’t you organize something if you feel so strongly about this? You certainly have the knowledge. We can all blah, blah, blah here, but I wonder how many of us are actually doing something to change things. And I don’t mean how we’re voting. I mean DOING something. This is like the guys who sit in the bar with the answers to all the world’s ills. Yeah, I’m guilty too, but at least I’m campaigning for Sheehan for gov. of SC. That’s about all I can manage right now. If I had the money, I’d be planning on going to Washington for Jon Stewart’s March to Restore Sanity.

      • Claire

        Karolyn– I would like to go to Jon Stewart’s rally. The “March to Restore Sanity”—how appropriate. Because this is exactly what is going on in the world–insanity. The people of America need to get a grip, myself included, or we are going to be in a worse mess.

        • Denniso

          Stewart is a near comedic genius…also, a liberal.

          • Claire

            Denniso–I don’t care what party he prefers. I have heard him slam the liberals and the Republicans. I happen to like the guy and thats it. And the title of his march is in touch with reality. I see and hear what is going on in this country and I don’t like it. It is time to restore sanity. I am tired of the crap that is going on.

          • Denniso

            I like him…

  • RB at CT

    Agreed guyB but if we dig oil from Bakken then how would Dick head and GW families make money. Guess what the Royal families in Middle East are buddies of the GW family. Hence, Bakken not happening.
    Also, that is a delusional statement “that Saddam moved WMD’s to Syria”. He did not have the money, the technology for delivering WMD’s. Now, what we have a war with Syria. In fact I doubt even if Iraq had any effective WMD’s.
    GW and Dick head, Rumsfield wanted a war to get the arms industries making money for them.
    Chinese, Korean, and many others countries are brutal govts. We want to be at war with all of them.

    • Karolyn

      Why should we waste more previous lives? Actually, the Chinese are doing pretty well right now. I saw a piece on someone visiting villages in China where everybody had cell phones and TVs. It’s the North Koreans, and I feel really sorry for them; but with the army they have, it sure would be a bloodbath. The only way out of a situation like that is somehow to educate the people, so they can defend themselves while opposing their government. Fat chance of that happening with the stranglehold the government has on them.

    • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

      The wmd were chemical weapons and sadam used them on the kurds in the 90s. We should become completely self sufficent and that means are energy too. We fight for many different countries borders and leave our own borders unprotected. I do not mind good hard working people coming to America for a better life I would too,but we do not need the real felons and child molesters and drug runners and terrorists just walking across our unprotected borders. We should know who is coming into our country and why… Our borders are like the white house. No one cares about whats going on as long as they get theirs.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        guyb,
        I guess RB at CT missed that report!!! I guess he also missed the report about the spent rounds they found buried with trace amounts of chemical weapons on them. Or the yellow cake uranium that was found and shipped to Canada!!

  • Denniso

    I aked what the ‘swimming pools in Miss’pi have to do w/ the stimulus.
    The artice says nothing about a connection and I haven’t heard anything about it otherwise. If it’s money that was given to states and Miss used some for construction projects that included public pools, well then tell us that. You ranters don’t care that the aricle is a bit lacking in info,all you do is leap at the chance to attack me or Obama, w/o knowing what you’re talking about. Surprising? No, but ridiculous,yes.

    None of you rightwingers addressed the dumb point the CEO made about the ‘ancient industries’ that are rather vital to our entire commercial system and economy..why not?

  • a progressive nightmare

    Denniso, because you have the equilvalent IQ of an ameba. We are in the process of problem solving and have very little time to deal with your adolescence. Your comments never change, it’s the same ole progressive foolishness that adult people have very little time to deal with, and, adults certainly understand that people like you are the “Root” cause of our nations decline. Both morally and economically.

    You would be best served leaving the issues to those of us who are actually capable of problem solving and leadership.

    • denniso

      So, that’s what you call bitching,whining,threatening,complaining,blaming,namecalling,lying and smearing?? Problem solving? That is funny…I make a point about the article and the dumb statement from a CEO about ‘amcient industries’, and of course you can’t address that, but you can,once again, make another personal and mindless attack…give it up buddy,it only shows your brand of ignorance.

    • a progressive nightmare

      No Denniso, Unfortunately for you, it shows your lack of understanding of basic crisis management, which seems to be a common thread with you liberal progressives. Just because you are double degreed in engineering and economics means very little unless you have the common sense to apply it.

      I don’t mean to be rude or arrogant but it is people like you that can’t see the forest for the trees. Since you have forced this issue of an “ANSWER”, which should be self-evident, painfully I will give you one.

      CEO’s are problem solvers and provide the necessary LEADERSHIP to keep the SHIP afloat. You see, even a “Touchy-Feely” liberal can lead in good times but it is only in times of adversity and hardship when TRUE leadership shines through. It is essential to the survival of the company, or, in this case, the NATION.

      This CEO was simply pointing out that your god “King Obama” does not have his priorities right and cannot seem to get the most simple basics of crisis management under his grasp. This is what happens when you elect nothing more than a community organizer and/ot “Attorney” to the presidency of the United States.

      Our current economic conditions could have already been solved if the free market forces had been allowed to run it’s course. Instead, OBAMA has spent his entire presidency on this DUMB healthcare bill, Cap and Tax and every other SOCIAL PROGRAM that could be imagined by the progressive euphoric mindset. Remember, never let a good crisis go to waste……Nobody but a progressive could make such a foolish statement.

      Crisis management is simple when you have LEADERSHIP in place to solve the crisis because they understand how to prioritize the issues at hand. You, nor OBAMA have a CLUE as to what I just stated.

      • Denniso

        I see, if you PRIORITIZE then everything works out just fine. And I’m sure you’re right,only you and other rightwingers know how to PRIORITIZE…let’s see, is it something like, 1,2,3…? Should I tackle the most serious problems first, or last??? You’re right, that is hard…

        • a progressive nightmare

          Obviously the concept eludes both you and Obama, hence, our country going to hell in a handbasket. No matter the height of your proposed IQ, it has very little meaning if you cannot lead in a crisis. Application of leadership is what we need, not a touchy-feely daycare mentality. i.e.; It’s not my fault, bush did it, bush mean, etc etc etc

  • Don

    They should be offered a choice similar to the one from the movie Raw Deal, resign or be prosecuted.

  • RB at CT

    Taxes: I am employed by private sector and also have a business venture and make high six figure money. I have no problem in paying reasonable taxes including CT taxes. One has to be thankful for what you have and pay the society it’s dues.

    Economy: It takes a a day to implode a building and a year to build it. Bush, Chenney destroyed the economy over 8 year by unwanted wars, tax cuts (which did nothing for the economy) oil price hike.
    It takes time and money to build it back.

    Iraq: As per Bush himself there were no WMD’s and the changed stance by Bush “we got rid of the bad guy”. Really, there are bad guys running China (forget Beijing, Shanghai and Shenszing, I have traveled outside those cities), Sudan, Korea, Pakistan. Some of you guys willing to be recruited to get rid of those bad guys.
    Read a CIA report and I read it in my child’s history book where it is clear that CIA mismanaged Iran in 1950′s to create the current monster. Osama was funded by CIA an established fact (Unfortunately it was reality of the day to counter USSR)

    Go read books that matter not listen to FOX, Palin and other dark age illiterates.

    Best Wishes.

    • Denniso

      Good comment…and you’re right, taxes are dues to society for the right to live,work and play in one of the best countries in the world.
      ‘Conservatives’ think taxes are a penalty or punishment instead…quite wrong.

  • a progressive nightmare

    Denniso, You left out one key element in your comments. FREEDOM? FREEDOM to choose? Nobody would suggest that we should have ZERO taxes. It is the level of that taxation and the spending of those hard earned tax dollars that is the real issue. Again, basic common sense seems to elude.

    RB at CT, I doubt very seriously that you are a high six figure income producer. Just another progressive hack trying to sell and support your marxist regime in Washington. Trust me when I say this, we will continue to follow those which seem to have a large level of common sense when it comes to problem solving. I’m not a major Palin supporter but she makes a whole lot more sense than you and Denisso does. Beck?….Heck, his IQ would exceed yours if he went on a drinking binge for a year without sleep. Even a child could see what you “Progressives” have done to our republic over the past century. Ain’t working out to well, now is it?

    You people never cease to amaze me with your childish-simpleton comments.

    • Denniso

      Beck is an entertainment hack…not even good at what he does. We non brainwashed people see right through him and are amazed you followers
      are so swayed by such a charlatan.

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