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Independents More Important Than Ever

December 12, 2011 by  

Independents More Important Than Ever

A recent report by think tank Third Way shows that more than 825,000 likely voters in eight key battleground States have fled the Democratic Party since Barack Obama won the Presidential election in 2008.

“The numbers show that Democrats’ path to victory just got harder,” said Lanae Erickson, the report’s co-author. “We are seeing both an increase in independents and a decrease in Democrats and that means the coalition they have to assemble is going to rely even more on independents in 2012 than it did in 2008.”

According to ABC News Radio, in eight vital 2012 electoral States — Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina and Pennsylvania — Democrats lost 5.4 percent of their registered voters, while Republicans lost 3.1 percent. The number of independent voters in those States grew by 3.4 percent at the same time.

“People are frustrated and the way you tune out in American politics is that is you drop the label of the two parties,” said Steven Jarding, a Harvard public policy professor and Democratic campaign strategist. “The danger for Obama in this is he is not only going to have to capture them but capture more of them because there are less Democratic voters.”

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • s c

    This election may be the most important election in America’s history. I’m convinced that the current administration represents Washington’s status quo mentality. The key factor in making it clear ‘who’s who’ concerns whether or not America is better, safer or grounded in real jobs and growth versus government handouts and utopian promises.
    Independents, do what you have to do. You know what a small, limited government can do for Americans. You do not need to know what an all-powerful government can and will do.

    • Monte

      SC, I have enjoyed your comments for sometime. The following fits with you current comment.

      Mississippi, like the Southern states in general, is the butt of jokes and the object of much ridicule and scorn in the media. Yet, last I heard, while Mississippi was rated as one of the bottom five in wealth, it rated the highest in the country for charitable donations. Interestingly, the ‘progressive’ states rated the highest in wealth and the very lowest in charitable donations. Here, I believe, we cut to the heart of the absurdity known as liberalism. While they constantly moan, cry and protest the living conditions of the poor, they are least likely to contribute any of their personal wealth to alleviate any of the poverty they whine about. Instead, and very unlike the ‘unprogressives’, they want to equip the Federal government with the sword to spread the wealth. That is, they want to pick the pockets of others and force others to do what they are least likely to do themselves. Why would they do this? Because they can feel good about doing something for others without it actually costing them anything. The bottom line: it is all Vanity alone. It is really about only themselves. And. ‘helping others’ is only a façade, a front for self-gratification. The Bible says Vanity is a sin. Liberalism proves it.

      • Ellen

        I think a large factor in this is that most Mississippi residents are Christians and Christians are very charitable. Many liberals are atheists and do not donate to charities. My daughter attends college in Miss. and they decorate the school with Christmas decorations and play Christmas music. It is very festive. My other daughter attends a different college and they don’t decorate or even acknowledge the holidays. We are a Judeo-Christian nation and we should be proud of that, not worrying about offending immigrants of other religions who have come to our country. What’s next? Maybe stop celebrating Independence Day because it is a truly American celebration?

        • FreedomFighter

          Yes, those without God in there heart, are usually mean, stingy, selfish, thieves, liars, athiest and/or Demoncrats.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • bob wire

            Seems you’ve narrow the world down petty small. If you had God in your heart, I doubt if you’d be talking with such vial rancor about people that you really don’t know.

            And if you elect to believe in such things, as God loves the sinner, why can’t you show some?

            The answer is rather clear.

          • Monte

            Bob, I beleive you severly miss the point. The Bible says to shun and abhor evil. That was Freedom’s comment. He spoke of the evil. He mentioned no people. Without doubt, the Democratic Party is pure evil; their every platform is one of evil. Evil is our enemy, as it is the work of Satin.

          • Karolyn

            Come on! There are conservative atheists who are generous and have the same views you do. There are also Christian Democrats. Why do you people consistently lump people into such narrow boxes? There are also religious liberals and scumbag Christians. Quit with the generalizations.

          • Monte

            Karolyn. Evil is evil. Read your Bible. You want to stretch terms to encompass things that do not belong. That is how false teachings are created. This is not a subject for a liberal, as this is not an abstract subject.

          • eddie47d

            Without a doubt Freedom Fighter and Monte are PURE EVIL to make such a ludicrous statement about Democrats. Since the Republican members of Congress have a lower rating than Democrat members of Congress you seem to be blowing much hot air. Overall Congress has an 8% approval rating and that includes both parties so what are you doing to enhance the viability of anyone (those Independents) in joining the Republican Party? Apparently the Republicans have as much work to do to garner the respect that is sorely lacking within that party also. The Republican debates have proven that they are all over the place on every issue so maybe we can make a $10,000 bet on that.

          • Monte

            Eddie, look back over my comments. I never once mentioned the Republican Party. The Neocons are evil Leftists as well. However, the Democratic is the very personification of evil. Their every platform is one of evil.

          • FreedomFighter

            Bob not into a bible lesson, but we all sin, and we all can be forgiven. So yes god does love the sinner and provides a way to redeem themselves.

            Isaiah 1:28
            And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • eddie47d

            You and I have a different perspective on Liberals and Conservatives. I could say that Republicans are pure evil and some are no different than some Democrats. Yet that doesn’t make all of either party “pure evil”. Saying such is nothing more than conquer and divide tactics. America is losing because no one is really bring us together and the common bond or consensus is long gone. Each side downplays their wars and their greed. Yet in the same breath they will show support for their own wars and the crony corporatist who handle them. I love Ron Paul for tackling those issues and I look at him as an Independent Libertarian even if he carries the Republican label. Thus I refuse to put most Republican up on a pedestal for they can be as dishonest as the day is long.

          • Bob from SoCal

            Hello Bob Wire,

            You are correct in stating that God loves the sinner. But God is also a righteous judge. If the sinner doesn’t REPENT, and turn from his or her evil ways; on judgement day he will not hesitate to send them to “The Lake of Fire”.

            No one needs to go there. Just accept the pardon that Jesus paid for every individual on the cross. It is a free gift, all one needs to do is ask God for it.

        • Iris

          And the other college is where?

        • Aurelio

          What angers me most, is that we all grew up celebrating Christmas, and enjoyed looking forward to it throughout the year. To see now these butt-headed liberals to try to erase it by the stupid “happy holidays”, it’s the pinnacle of idiocy.

          • Joe H.

            Aurelio,
            When they say happy holidays to me, I look at them and say, ” Don’t you mean a very merry Christmas? Well, the same to you!!” One of the managers at the local walmart here said happy holidays to me the other day and i said “No, A merry Christmas to you is what you mean!!” He looked like someone had farted!!!

          • Lee Baldwin

            Merry Christmas, Aurelio!!! TELL EVERYBODY YOU KNOW, “Merry Christmas” and never utter those happy holidays words again. “We the People of the United States of America” -MUST TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK from the butt-heads!

        • Lee Baldwin

          You can bet EVERYBODY’S FARM on that, Ellen. The Islamists will try thier level best to erase the 4th of July soon. It represents something they will never have-FREEDOM.

      • Karolyn

        They may give more, and that may have to do with Christian charity; however, Mississippi and other states in the Bible Belt have the highest crime rates in the country.

        • Monte

          Karolyn, your point? Poverty breeds crime? Or places with the greatest miniority populations have the greatest crime? Let’s be sure to keep it within the abstract, liberal worldview.

        • eddie47d

          There you go again. Since Conservatives never ride into poor neighborhood areas on a white horse and and lead the charge to get folks out of poverty then you are playing the right wing game. You know continually fleeing farther away and Ignoring the problem so that it will be out of sight and out of mind. “Your side” stands on the sidelines and does nothing and then bellyaches about all the crime in poor neighborhoods. Will “your side” ever jump in and hire those people who need jobs? Do you practice what you preach in helping or is it nothing but feel good sound bites. Yes it takes more than money to change peoples lives but what are YOU doing?

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            show me ONE instance where a liberal prog ever rode in on a white steed and led ANYONE out of poverty!!! The chances of that are about as good as Godzilla attacking NY harbor!!!

        • USAF VET

          Show me some statistics Karolyn. I see more crime in places like New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, Oakland, and even Richmond Ca, than I do in the Southern states. There is a lot less crime in Atlanta Georgia than there is in those mentioned above. The reason is they carry, which is more than I can say for those liberal bastions of anti-second Ammendment Gun Control.

          • eddie47d

            New Orleans has highest crime rate in USA. Nevada is the highest crime state and New Hampshire has the lowest.

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            According to FBI stats the level of gun ownership is at an all time high in the last three years. In those same three years according to the FBI stats the violent crime rate has gone DOWN each year of those three years!! At the same time, the violent crime rate in NY has risen a couple of percentage points!! your post lies!!!

      • bob wire

        Monte, I think that you are a victim of your stats. ~

        “There are lies, damnable lies and statistics”
        Samuel Clements

        When is comes to “giving” and record keeping ~ I would think Conservatives aspire to the latter by their very nature as with the counting leaving no doubt.

        Conservatives have been tooting their own horn for several years now with “these” stats, while they are next to impossible to validate. It would be just a easy to catch a fart and paint it red.

        Organized given is done mostly by churches, most churches “claim” to be or are view as “Conservative” while the true makeup of an one congregation is not even a consideration.

        • Monte

          Bob, look it up for yourself. I didn’t receive the information from a biased source. The conclusions are only my own. Christian charity and liberal ‘giving’ are not the same thing. The motives are different.

          • bob wire

            “The conclusions are only my own. Christian charity and liberal ‘giving’ are not the same thing. The motives are different.”

            Hmm? ~ Are you suggesting only conservatives are Christians? Are you suggesting that political affiliation dictates the very motive of “giving” ?

            I’ve done passed research on the is matter, it’s not the time that it’s been paraded before us in some self righteous matter. Not to suggest that do Monte but your “concluding” is a suspect as the data gathering method to compile these alleged “status” have always been suspect.

            In all my years of going to church, political affiliation was never discussed. I’ve never been asked, I’ve never heard of anyone being asked, perhaps some do but I would take acceptation to such a question in a church setting.

            No disrespect intended Monte, I think you are a victim of your stats and some overriding belief that a progressive affiliation might somehow be see as less Christian.

          • Joe H.

            bob wire,
            Please, PLEASE do us a favor and reread your THIRD paragraph and rewrite it. I can’t make heads or tails of it!!

        • cawmun cents

          “Organized given is done by the churches.”,says bob wire.
          But what mr.wire refrains from noting(a lie of ommision,sp.feminine form)is that individuals give to the churches.Churches unlike gubment,apparently are made of individuals.
          Churches are a place which individuals can give to whatever form of charity that pleases them.
          Gubment takes taxes from everyone and distributes them collectively to whatever charities seem to benefit them the most.
          That is the difference,whether mr.wire understands that prinicple or not.
          Churches ask you specifically(as an individual)what would you like to donate to,they do not take your money into a kitty and spread it how they want to.
          That being the key between power over your choices and letting you decide.
          Does that elementary form of math elude you mr.wire?
          It would appear so,from your surmission.
          Noting the key differences in ways of doing things is the ability to penetrate subversion with authoritative knowledge.
          It is a function which all people should aspire to.
          Even leftist idealogues.
          Cheers!-CC.

          • bob wire

            What ta’ hell are you talking about?

            Churches are made of people, people are the church ~ all kinds of people and not just card carrying GOP votes.

            In the compiling and crunching numbers to build “these stats” to what tally gets the credit for organized church giving?

            If the stats are divided between a Conservative or a Liberal, aka right or left, how can the count reflect a factual representation worthy to be claimed as “stats” in a mixed congregation?

            Someone is assuming “TOO MUCH” to make such a call if they wish to claim Churches reflect a 100% conservative bias or political affiliation and should get a full tally count for their good works.

            As far as any Authoritative whatever, sounded like your slinging horse manure and trying to dirty up and cloud the conversation.

            If you righties want to claim all the “good work” and claim it for your very own or even rob the left of their motives for giving as Monte seem to want to do.

            I don’t really care ~ if it make you feel good about yourselves, Fine.

            It’s just more right wing indignation and self rightness we have to contend with. If I did not ever call you out on such matter, I fear your chest will explode from your built-up vanity and pride.

            This narrow view of a “right”, “left” world may make the world seem simple enough for many of you to “think” you understand it ~ but that too is just another one of your “feel goods” and once again you are off target and out in the pea patch somewhere.

          • Joe H.

            Cawmun Cents,
            come on now, you know the church holds a gun to your head and DEMANDS your money and fealty!!! And if you don’t give enough they come and get you, take you to jail and take all you own…. Oh, wait, that’s the Government, never mind!!!

          • Lee Baldwin

            cawmnun cents is level-headed, and bob wire needs to go out and practice what he preaches ONE TIME. bob wire is spending all his time bitching on the inet instead of DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE SITUATION. Typing words iinto a forum is bitching-NOT DOING SOMETHING bob wire

      • APN

        WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Bea-uti-mus!!!!!!!!

        I have never had anyone put it better!

        Well done!

  • http://bobLivingston Power to the People

    So true….I am an independent who gave up on the parties many years ago due to the “kick the can down the road” mentality from both. Today the differences between them are non-existent. We need term limits; we need another viable party to put forth a viable alternative candidate; we need the current fraud in the WH replaced and we need smaller government.

    • ChristyK

      I totally understand why you don’t want to support either party, but please register as republican so you can vote in the primary. The only candidate running who might be able to make a difference is Ron Paul. If he isn’t chosen as the Republican candidate, your only vote choice will be evil or evil. Show you don’t support the Republican party by donating to Ron Paul and not the Republican party. Do your research on you local and state representatives so you can vote for the best candidate not just the D or R.

      • Karolyn

        In some states, including SC, anybody can vote in the primaries. I am a registered dem and will vote for Ron Paul in the primary.

        • USAF VET

          And then, like most Dumbocrats, you’ll vote for Obumski, hoping that he will take us further down the well trodden “garden path”. I didn’t believe in his “Hope and Change” when he was campaigning the first time, and now I am hoping for change, change from a liberal socialist who is bent on ruining our country.

          • eddie47d

            Another “kind” Conservative? Will you then be voting for your favorite Fascist? Name calling swill is unnecessary until they “bring it on”.

          • Joe H.

            comes to calling names, you are of the royal family!!! Ron Paul would make Abummer look likea bull in the china shop!!! Ron Paul will close the borders, he will cut the deficit, he will close all those unnedded bases all over the world, he will bring the men back to the country they BELONG in!!! You are as blind as a bat and twice as dumb!!!

    • Iris

      Unhappily, but SO true, if you are not a registered Republican you are voting for the Democrat favorite. As much as you don’t like the Repub party, join it as I did here in AZ 10 years ago and I absolutely had some influence in getting it to move to the right. It needs MORE conservatives in its ranks, not fewer.

      • Joe H.

        Iris,
        Make that CONSTITUTIONAL conservatives and I’ll agree with you!!! We HAVE to get back to the CONSTITUTION!!! RON PAUL/ANDREW NAPOLITANO 2012!!!!

  • Warrior

    If you happened to watch the debate Saturday evening, it is becoming increasingly clear that Ron Paul is, in fact, the the only person running for president who’s ideas are all solid. Progressives must be voted out. All of them, regardless of R or D.

    • bob wire

      It’s been Ron Paul from the beginning ~
      Wasn’t you supporting Cain?

  • bob wire

    With GOP governor’s making a consorted effort to restrict the democratic vote doesn’t help much. Several tactic have been employed and should be in full implementation just before the General’s, giving any sleepy heads little time to adjust and prepare.

    But don’t fool yourself Sam, The GOP has make few friend in the last 3 years. They have actually pissed on American’s by the 100 of thousands.

    BUT ~ The DNC, is taking nothing for granted and will play it to the wire.

    • USAF VET

      Gee bob, how in the world did you ever get so mixed up. Where you said Republican, or GOP, it was supposed to be Dumocrat, and where you inserted Dumocrat, it was supposed to mention the GOP. You must have been asleep at the wheel and helped Obumski with his train wreck.

      • bob wire

        You just keep drinking a whining with your buddies down at the VFW hall. I know what going on down there. ~ you really believe you are representatives of the average American? You been living on Federal money too long. I’m a combat vet so don’t start no pissing contest, I don’t owe you nothing Air Force.

        • Joe H.

          bob wire,
          There were a lot of pilots that were shot down over Nam. You are no more a combat vet than ANY of THEM!!! Just because you were in combat and coming close to dying doesn’t mean a dam thing if you haven’t learned how to LIVE!!!

  • speedle

    The good news here is that much of this “independent” vote are the clueless under 30 crowd who voted for Obama in the last election because it was “cool”. Fortunately Obama is no longer “cool” and this group of drones has moved on to other fads, which means they won’t bother to vote at all – addition by attrition.

    This means that the only thing that could keep Obama in the White House would be the Third Party advocates actually getting a third party candidate in the mix. I surely hope the Ron Paul people gather in behind the ultimate GOP candidate, even if it is not Paul.

    • eddie47d

      The main stream Republicans are scared to death of Ron Paul and really don’t stand for Constitutional values. The Republicans are still playing chicken with themselves and calling each other out and just might fold like a cheap suit. Soon they will have their Kumbaya moment and come together or collaspe under their own frivolity.

      • FreedomFighter

        If anyone cares to look Ron Paul has a vote record, a very long one, its pure constitutional and 100% pro America.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Bob from SoCal

        If either a main stream Republican or Democrat take the Presidency, WWIII may be inevitable. Russia and China are doing some serious saber rattling over the middle east and the south china sea. Ron Paul may be the only candidate that can stop some of the tensions. The war monger Obama is pushing all that wrong buttons and getting us closer to the brink of a devastating all out war.

        • Bob from SoCal

          “the wrong buttons”

        • speedle

          Un huh, and by ignoring everything that goes on in the world “saber rattling and such” we can avoid all of this mischief. Just let them all push those buttons on each other eh? We can just sit in our cocoon and watch the fun all safe and sound. After all, people are really fair everywhere, and if we just leave them alone they will leave us alone. Hilter, Stalin, Mussolini, Ghengis Khan, Napoleon, Kim Jong Il, Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein, etal were (are) just anomolies, and we certainly have no reason to believe that they would wish us any harm (or seek to enrich themselves at our expense) if we just would leave people alone. Yessiree, sounds like a plan.

          • Bob from SoCal

            Did I say an thing about being the worlds punching bag. I believe 100% in self defense. And I believe in striking first if it is warranted. I just think that many of the decisions being made today are designed to push us into WWIII.

          • speedle

            So Cal says, “Did I say an thing about being the worlds punching bag. I believe 100% in self defense. And I believe in striking first if it is warranted. I just think that many of the decisions being made today are designed to push us into WWIII.”

            So Cal, defending ourselves is not as simple as building the proverbial moat and stone walls. This is the information age and things are done with buttons on one side of the world that impact things on the other side of the world. We have to be engaged in all this crap, and that sometimes means military bases in strategic locations, spooks in unfriendly countries, a few unsavory deals made with government leaders we wouldn’t want to share dinner with, and other practices that Ron Paul detests. Do we overdo it at times? Absolutely. Are we in (or give money to) places where we don’t need be involved? Of course. But that doesn’t require drastic reversal in how we operate internationally.

            For example, we don’t necessarily need to be in the U.N. (at least not the U.N. we have now), but we need to be Iran’s proctologist constantly looking in dark places to see what they are up to. I am not interested in finding out what they are up to by hearing about a dirty bomb being unleashed on an American city. Ron Paul has not adequately explained how his approach prevents that.

            But I am curious as to why you think decisions being made today are “designed” to get us into WWIII. Are you suggesting that open war is being considered a solution to economic problems (Ala LBJ)?

          • Bob from SoCal

            Hello Speedle,

            If you would like to see who is really pushing the buttons in this country and why, I suggest you go to infowars.com. The globalist elite that are running this country from behind the scenes are the people pushing us into WWIII. Go to infowars and Alex Jones will give you a whole different perspective on who is running this country and why.

          • Joe H.

            speedle,
            those military bases won’t make a dam bit of difference if we get into it with a true nuke power. If Iran gets nuke capability, and launches a couple of missiles we have more than enough defenses to knock those missiles out of the air. If we get into it with russia or China, those bases might as well not be there for all the good they’re gonna do!! If we preemtively strike Iran, China and Russia both have said they are their protector. you think they are gonna stand by and watch it happen?? We need to finally start to protect ourselves, we can’t afford to be the worlds protector!!

          • speedle

            So Cal, Alex Jones is precisely the kind of nut bag that makes a joke of Libertarianism. All his silly conspiracy crap delegitimizes all the good points he makes, and turns people away from Libertarian philosophies. What’s wrong with you people? Do you enjoy being treated as fringe wacko political group?

            Joe H., that is the whole idea about having military presence around the world, to keep from getting into a nuke swap. We can’t let things deteriorate to the point where nukes are the only option. We have to stay engaged. Isolationism is not good for this country. And, we are definitely NOT the worlds’ protector. Being pro-active in the world is designed to protect US, not the world (and that includes keeping Israel upright).

    • rich hutchins

      I will be voting Ron Paul – but if I can’t I will not vote any other republican. Liars all in my opinion. I come from the left. I have voted dem up until now, because I never thought a real libertarian existed until I heard Dr.Paul. I figured If i have to have a big government because dem & repub both represent big gov interests, I’d choose the one that pandered to the poor rather than one that panders to the rich corporations. If one poor person ‘cheats’ the government we’re talking $800/month. If GE or defense contractor does it it costs billions. both suck. But I thought Obama was at least going to try to appease some Repub by doing some real reform, and appease dem by reducing military. He did neither, and he gave health insurance [big con game] their biggest check yet. In my opinion, the other Repub candidates are worse than the democrats if you can believe that. Not one would reduce our government or the fed reserve or eliminate Patriot act no matter what they say because they are playing the game. Also- anyone on this board, left or right, is for freedom, so please stop name-calling & bickering over our interpretation of people we don’t really know [politicians] unless you really know them. SOmeone can call me out for being incorrect but don’t get mean. ANyway, i feel Dr. Paul has proven he is for freedom. You can argue that he is for too little government and that we risk have Dickens-style poor [thats the only reason he doesn't have even more liberal/left support], but i think he is smart enough to find solutions without just making a new government department. if you want to vote a different Repub because you feel they support your Christian values, thats your right, but don’t say you argue for libertarianism and then ask government to enforce those values liken amendment saying marriage is between man & woman. Also, Ayn Rand called Christianity as evil as communism, because both insisted on enforced behavior for a mystical cause. I don’t agree, but i understand her point. I bring up because so many can 100% agree with her on that yet 100% disagree with her on religion. So i think we can agree to disagree here too.

      • speedle

        Let’s see, you will vote for Ron Paul because you come from the “left” as a Democrat, and Ron Paul is the only candidate to champion freedom, and you wouldn’t vote for any other Republican. That kinda doesn’t work for me because Ron Paul and the current Democrat regime are North Pole/South Pole in regard to individual freedom. Those “other” Republicans may arguably be 90% as much champions of freedom as Ron Paul, but regardless of the number – much much closer to Paul than the Democrats. That said, your logic is to help the Statist regime remain in power if not Ron Paul. That makes no sense.

        • Joe H.

          speedle,
          See, that’s where you make your mistake. Trying to think without the equipment and without the whole thought!! NONE of those BA$tards are even 20% of Ron Paul!!! A vote for Salamander Man or Peewee Perry, or Mitt “flip flop” Romney, or any of the others, is just a slower version of Abummer!!! Ron Paul is the only candidate that will truly TRY to change things for the GOOD, not business as usual!!

          • speedle

            Joe H., you ignored my point in your enthusiastic deification of Ron Paul. Are you willing to let the Democrats have another four years to completely flush us down the tubes if you can’t get Paul elected?

          • Joe H.

            Oh, so YOU would rather see the US go down the proverbial drain at a slow and steady painful pace??? you love to see people suffer?? you celebrating the death of this once great country?? If enough of us FORGET party stance, think about this country and its citizens, get up off of our collective asses and do some work, we just might get the proper man elected!! do you APPROVE of the networks chosing your leaders for you?? don’t you have the backbone to choose for yourself????

  • Mike

    From comments I hear when I talk to people about our only clear choice, Ron Paul, the common response is “he can’t win”! Well if we all keep repeating that line, than indeed, Ron will never make it. We must over come the negative perception being put out by the media, both liberal and conservative, that Ron Paul is 1. a kook 2. unelectable 3. too old 4. that he is weak on foreign policy
    The fact is, the establishment politics on both sides fear Ron Paul and his ideas because they would bring an end to their power and corruption! Does it make sense that Rush, Mark Levin and many of the other “conservative” talk show hosts, talk Ron down and then turn around and demand the very things he stands for? Rush and company appear to be as much for the status quo as are the Democrats. Jerry Doyle is the only talk show host I have heard that is backing Ron Paul and his ideas. I voted for McCain last time around, this time I will not vote for another RINO, we might as well leave Obama in there and have a clear target!
    Talk up Ron Paul, he really is different and in this case, different is good and electable!

    • USAF VET

      Mike, #1, and #2 are should not really be considered, but his age can have something to do with his eligability. He is weak on foriegn policy, but so were a lot of our past presidents. The one thing that I don’t like, and you seem to have missed it, is that Ron Paul is an Isolationist, and in this day and age it just isn’t possible to be that way. His isolationist leanings is what keeps me from voting for him. Herman Cain is out thanks to the Chicago Connection, so that leaves me with my first candidate that I have liked from the beginning. Michele Bachman is the only viable candidate that can lead us out of the mess that the Socialis Democrat Left has driven us into.

      • Joe H.

        USAF VET,
        Ron Paul is NOT an isolationist!! He merely believes in a strong national defense!!! Tell me one way if we are attacked with a nuke that all those misc. bases are going to make a difference??? R. Paul still believes in doing business with the rest of the world, he just doesn’t believe we should be making their decisions for them any more than they should be making OURS!!! Like i said above, If Iran launches a couple of nukes against us, we have MORE than enough defenses to knock them out of the sky, If a true nuke capable nation launches against us, those bases aren’t gonna make a bit of difference!!

  • Roger

    Let me begin by saying, yes I am a liberal, but I am no Democrat. I have for voted, out of desperation for Ross Perot and then Ralph Nader, twice.

    We all know the failings of our government, all too well by now. It is a government by and for the corporations, a government that has concealed the facts of the Iraq war, of the escape of Osama bin laden from Bora Bora, concealed intelligence from the American people. We have a government which seeks to protect and promote the corruption of Wall Street.

    There can be no real recovery until the corruption of our capitalist system is made whole once again to a honest capitalist system that can drive our economy in the manner it once did before.

    Free trade is another subject kept from the general public that is a bane to us all. Ever since its inception back in the middle seventies, we have never had one single positive trade balance in all of that time. Free trade erodes every democratic goverment world wide that hosts it. It sends those governments into a “race to the bottom” pitting their citizens against all the other cheap labor pools of the world over. We have only to look at Communist China to see how evil free trade can be. We Americans partner with a ruthless style govenment to make our products for our consumers while at the same time has made us give up our manufacturing industry, steel industry, textile, electronic as well.

    • eddie47d

      Thank you Roger for a moderate point of view. Liberalism is kind,generous,compassionate and truly care about each and every American. Not just a select few like the Democrat and Republican Parties do. They are too busy vying for power and trying to keep their status quo.Most of their generosity is in the form of their huge war chests. None of that ever trickles down to any citizen and is only an ego builder for the next election. They all prove that money corrupts and few things change.

      • cawmun cents

        Yes of course eddie47d,liberalism has transformed America.
        No longer are its cities crowded with the afflicted and genral malsise.
        All those places your tax dollars have gone are turning to respectable places of societal improvement.Just take Detroit,the liberal bastion of,unions,progressivism,higher education,all of which came via charitable giving from your democratic politicians.
        Yes all of the community service your taxes have paid for,keeps our inner city streets safe and a wonderful environment to raise our children in,right?
        All those charitable liberal dollars have helped the poor and downtrodden stay afloat in the cesspolls they live in,correct?
        I see a vision of the democrats looking like Gods,no!,like movie stars,giving to the poor and unfortunate and living in a cleaner safer environment like Detroit,or that bastion of earthly giving,our nations capitol,DC.
        Yes what a wonderful picture of progressive stimulus this gives to our kids.But not telling them everything is the same as lying to their faces isnt it eddie47d?
        Or do you propose that since the giving has gone on in those places, but the conditions have gotten worse,that your utopia just needs more money thrown at it?
        That seems to be the liberal mantra,right?
        Just throw more money at it and things will eventually improve?
        Too bad that the majority of the good folks see through that line of scat,eddie47d.
        Too bad for you libunreals.

      • FreedomFighter

        Eddie Liberalism today equates to Communism:

        Communism has killed more human being than any other form of goverment in the world combined, millions upon millions.

        Both Socialism and Communism requires a slave class, that stays the slave to support the top heavy centralized planner elite.

        Both Socialism and Communism destroy family values, independance, self motivation to succeed.

        Both Socialism and Communism have no god but goverment, all rights are given and taken away by goverment.

        Liberalism cloaks itself in rightousness as a diversion to the true goal of enslavement of the population by making them dependent upon said evil goverment.

        Obey your Lucy master Eddie or not, its your choice.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • eddie47d

          I see the deadly vipers have come out to feast on their moronic lies. A little too much of Limbaugh or Coulter before your morning coffee? I know about the faults of Democrats too bad you are in denial about your own. Here are your evil ones Monte..they hate everything and everyone and are lap dogs of insincerity. If Freedom Fighter thinks God will shine favor upon him he is sadly mistaken. You better not be looking ahead to the Ends of Time because you shall remain.

          • FreedomFighter

            He already has Eddie.

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

      • Joe H.

        yes, eddie, liberalism is VERY generous!! With other peoples money, whether they want to give it or NOT!!! Or even whether they can afford it or not!!

    • Robert Smith

      From Capitalist: “Free trade is another subject kept from the general public that is a bane to us all. Ever since its inception back in the middle seventies, we have never had one single positive trade balance in all of that time.”

      True, but during the Clinton years it grew slowly.

      During the Bush years it EXPLODED.

      Check out: http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/historical/gands.txt

      That’s where you will find, “June 9, 2011
      U.S. Trade in Goods and Services – Balance of Payments (BOP) Basis
      Value in millions of dollars
      1960 thru 2010″

      When measuring either absolute value of the debt or % of increase the country did far WORSE under Republican administrations. GWB made it worst by far.

      Now Obama has to dig out from under that mismanagement.

      Rob

      • FreedomFighter

        Nice twisting of truth and lies.

        Once one investigates, checks who voted for what, who backed what and review results one finds Democrats controled senate/presidents and RINOS manipulate to throw blame for events engineered by themselves.

        Glass/Seagal..hope i speeled that righty

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

  • Joseph Tomanelli

    Switched votes count twice. 850,000 Democrat Votes becomes a 1,700,000 differential. 1.7 Million!!!

  • http://Boblivingston Gottaplenty

    Some of the comments are rather funny. especially defending the democrats, claiming all that charity and love for fellow Americans. Liberals are nothing short of communism. Liberals continue to support destruction of our nation by supporting Obumma. Un Americanism.

    • eddie47d

      You gottaplenty of BS. Now go run along and play with the rest of your crony capitalists. You may have plenty but your mind is small and very closed.

      • Joe H.

        eddie,
        HIS mind is small???? Hell, bud, you take out yours and shoot it in a BB gun!!! That’s .177 CALIBER!!! It doesn’t get any SMALLER than that, eddie!!!!

  • Capitalist at Birth

    I see the Paulbots are out in full force today. I need not waste my time here.

    • Joe H.

      You’re leaving???? YEEEEEAAAAAYYYYYY!!!

  • DavidL

    Hey independents, it’s really rather simple. Do what most people who can make a decision do. Vote your self interest. Forget the self-serving political or religious rhetoric we hear from time to time. What is in the best interest of you and your family?

    If you are rich, and without conscience, vote republican. If you are not rich, and not co-opted by the rhetoric of the rich conning you to vote their way, vote democratic. The most dangerous element of any society is the rich. Why? They have the money and the contacts to corrupt and manipulate with virtual ease. And they do. Why are the conservative/Republican rich opposed to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, public education, health care for all? Because they believe they don’t need them and they do not want to pay for them. This isn’t rocket science.

    Effective and genuine democracy is bottom up. It has always been so. It’s not top down. Trickle down is really trickle on. Assess who you are, rich or not rich, and then vote the self interest of you and your family.

    • FreedomFighter

      Obama’s push toward a Socialist/Communist Totalitarin facist America is not in anyones “self interest”

      Secondly we live in a REPUBLIC not a genuine democracy which is mob rule, very messy and always leads to communism or facist state.

      Third the capitolist system has raised more people from poverty than any other form of goverment in the history of mankind, unlike socialism and communism that has put more people into poverty than any other form of goverment on earth, in addition they the communists have killed more human beings in pursuit of there vision of utopia than any other form of goverment combined.

      Push your propaganda and false information somewhere else please.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • Joe H.

      DavidL,
      spoken like a TRUE prog!!! vote SELF(ish)!! how about, for a change, we vote what is good for the survival of this once great nation??? How about we worry about what is BEST for our REPUBLIC??? But, NO, you want to forget all the people that have unselfishly gambled and lost their lives in defense of our country and our survival. Well if you want to end that way, then have at it!! JUST DON’T TAKE US WITH YOU!!!

  • http://Boblivingston Gottaplenty

    David that is the very reason this country is eaten up by the wellfare system .. every one of that ilk voted for his own self interest, not for the good of the country. And remember this, the people complaining about those not paying taxes fail to remind you that illegal immigrants and wellfare reciepents do not pay taxes.That is more than half of the population of this country. Self interest my butt, vote for the good of the nation.That is the very reason the Dems have a following.they support the small mind and self interest.

    • Robert Smith

      Posted: ” And remember this, the people complaining about those not paying taxes fail to remind you that illegal immigrants and wellfare reciepents do not pay taxes.”

      Actually with forged SS cards many are paying taxes with little or no hope of ever getting anything back.

      Rob

      • Joe H.

        Which makes them guilty of forgery and identity theft!!! both FEDERAL CRIMES!! DEPORT THEM!!!

    • s c

      Gottaplenty, how drugs do you think a utopian has to take to get through a 24 hour day? You might ask
      ‘e’ if he still looks at JFK as an icon. Utopians on this website will tell us that JFK was almost perfect.
      If we remind them that one of JFK’s first acts was to CUT taxes [and he also said 'ask NOT what your country can do for you - ask what YOU can do for your country'], utopians will howl like the ravening wolves they are.
      Compassionate, my aching arse. Full of love? How do they spell that? It’s more like ^*=_, Gottaplenty. What else should we expect from cave-dwellers who refuse to grow up and see what they need to see (and when it stinks bad enough, flush the toilet). It’s worse than trying to educate a clod, isn’t it, Gottaplenty?

  • http://personallibertydigest not fooled

    Praise be to the name of god for ever and ever;wisdom and power are his; He changes times and seasons;he sets up kings and deposes them,He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning;He reveals deep the hidden things;Amen

    • Robert Smith

      Mr. fooled offers: “He reveals deep the hidden things;Amen”

      Where did the jobs and a large part of the middle class go?

      12 cookies on the table. CEO takes 11 and tells a Tea Bagger, “You better get yours before that evil union guy gets it.”

      Rob

      • Joe H.

        Or in a non-union shop, the management and employees get together and figure a way to make more cookies and the employee gets a FAIR SHARE of them!! that way the employee makes a decent amount of cookies and the employer doesn’t go out of the cookie making business!!!

  • escapo

    If you have come to the sound realization that neither solid democrats nor republicans are good for this country anymore. I would urge you to consider getting ron paul the nomination and voting him in. There is much to be said for consistently voting the constitution.

    • Joe H.

      NOW you’re TALKIN!!!!

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