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Inching Toward A Borderless North America

October 20, 2010 by  

Inching Toward A Borderless North America

The Mexican invasion of Arizona is ongoing and the administration of President Barack Obama continues to allow it to happen.

Last week Pinal County (Arizona) Sheriff Paul Babeau confirmed he received an email in May from the Department of Homeland Security warning that 15 “sicarios” — assassins — had been sent by Mexican drug cartels in the Vekol Valley to kill bandits that had been hijacking their drug shipments. He discussed the email after local media outlets in Arizona obtained a copy of the email and began asking questions about it.

The Vekol Valley is located 70 miles inside Arizona and falls in Babeau’s Pinal County. The email warned that the invaders would be “very well equipped and armed sicarios complete with bullet proof vests.” The intelligence DHS had was so good it gave very detailed information about where and how the gunmen would operate.

But rather than send help in the form of National Guard troops or Federal law enforcement, DHS opted to put up a few signs warning travelers to avoid the area and left local enforcement to handle it as best they could.

On April 30, just two weeks prior to the DHS email, Pinal County Deputy Louie Puroll was wounded in a shootout with drug smugglers in the Vekol Valley. This incident highlights the danger local law enforcement faces in the area.

Mexican drug cartels are violent, ruthless and are operating with impunity on both sides of the border. And the Obama administration, like the George W. Bush administration before it, neglects the border issue in favor of inching us toward a North American Union — a country without borders that combines Mexico and Canada with the U.S.

Hat tip: CNSNews.com

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • s c

    Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but when a prez ignores the presence of invading, foreign criminals, pretends that America is being “protected” while our borders are left open and law enforcment officials are on their own, then something is far worse than wrong.
    Hope, change and transparency are now codewords for treason. Our compassionate, divine ‘leaders’ expect us to resign ourselves to living in a country that is no longer America.
    Bring our military people home. America is being sacrificed on the altar of treason.

    • dan az

      sc
      whats the possibility of suing the governnuts?All out invasion of US soil under numnuts is an act of treason but with the count on every treason on him he can only serve one life time sentence as it is.So what can we sue the gov for?
      All I see is that our militia now have the right to shoot back and not be challenged by the courts for protecting its own borders.Fat chance of that the last guy held some illegals to be picked up and got sued.

      • Al Sieber

        Yeah dan, I remember that. I feel a out right civil war is gonna break out here, or a race war. the drug cartels play for keeps, take no prisoners, because they won’t.

        • Average Joe Patriot

          Al, many people here are going to tie this discussion (I’m almost afraid to read the rest of the thread) to the upcoming elections, point fingers at Washington, chatter politics, and so forth. While people in our southern border states are literally avoiding, even dodging, foreign bullets. Not from mild-mannered lettuce-pickers as the media promotes, but from heavily armed killers who enslave people and chop off heads in the desert. Not just on the other side of the border, on US turf. There’s a cartel contract out on a US sheriff, I hear.

          (And no, the weapons are not mostly US made, those are merely a portion of the ones they can trace. The most popular are AK copies, made overseas. Buy one, if you’re any good with it more ammo should be easy to collect when TS-really-HTF.)

          If your eyes are better than mine, Sieber, I’ll reload for you, or vice versa. But puhleeze wake the hell up, everyone! What part of bullets-whining-past-us fails to get everyone’s undivided attention? (Except people in Boston or San Franciso who’ll CALL THE POLICE, by God! Great, thanks, we’ll give it a shot.)

          Our open borders are an invitation to invasion. Our stupid drug laws are an open invitation to cartels. Our passive-user drug-busted overfilled prisons are a finishing school for permanent criminals, and they are essentially, internally run by violent gangs. (It’s an established industry…we have more people in jail that the rest of the WORLD.)

          Or maybe one has to live down here in the Southwest to get it. For once, a war we didn’t start…well, that’s historically and currently debatable. But a war nonetheless.

          When people are threatening to kill you on your own property, you don’t dig out the history books or go online for the most recent legal decisions. Our borders are porous. You can’t wait for your politicians to discuss among themselves. Your body is porous enough in the desert already (read any survival manual), without allowing legal foot-dragging to get it ventilated further while you wait for the next election.

          Many of us have carried guns for years. Perhaps when we go out we should also arm ourselves with a folding shovel and shoulder bag (for picking up loose weapons and ammo).

          You know what the shovel’s for. It’s all just common-sense personal survival for you and yours, folks. You don’t need a book for it. Or a vote, when it gets down to it. You can’t change your vote when you or your family’s looking down the barrel of an AK47.

          Too scary for you? Scary for us, too. Maybe we should all move to DC, where it’s safe.

          • Al Sieber

            Average Joe, you got that right, people don’t believe a lot of this is happening because of the controlled media, or can’t happen here mentality. thanks for the concern and support, I’d be happy for you to reload, or vice versa, they’re gonna try and kill us anyways.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            average Joe,
            that shovel is to dig a trench and bury The $hit, right??? If my old mind serves me it’s called a slit latrine!!

      • bbstacker

        If Arizona were to put the muster call out, would we support them? You can put a bullet proof vest on a pig, but a 50 cal round will make nice bacon of the swine. If American Citizens need to do what they have the Constitutional Authority to do, then it is well past the hour of action. If they mean to have a war, let it begin here. This is absolutely disgusting, and I am being very, very polite.

        • Sam

          The American people have the right, under the Constitution, as defined by the FEDERALIST PAPERS. Governors have the right to call out all ARMED persons of military age (18 – 45) to defend their borders from INVASION. The usurper-in-chief will NEVER defend them, he owes too much to massa Soros. So, it is up to the PEOPLE, through their elected GOVERNORS, to secure their own borders. Should this bring on a civil war, then so be it. Time to clear out the corruption at ALL LEVELS.

          • Bear

            Well spoken Sam. Being a Texan, I do remember Texas history and both the battle of the Alamo and the battle at San Jacinto. Both were fought by Americans who came to the aid of the settelers who were then being subjected to intimidation from Mexico’s army under the command of General Santa Anna. Mexico decided it was time to make the settelers subjects and tried to disarm them. Didn’t work then and it won’t work now. The point! Americans came from all over to that little Spanish mission called the Alamo, just outside the city of San Antonio and rallied to fight the Mexican army and defend the liberties of those settelers. How is anything different today? Arizona should send out their own Militia nd send out a call to arms for all Americans to hear and come to the aid of that state. The same goes for Texas, New Mexico and California.

          • Dogma-Free

            Sam,

            I agree with what you say about clearing out the corruption on ALL levels, but that means an entire revamp of the current system. Changing the names of the people in power won’t do it (IMO), but rather the power structure itself seems to need changing. That means getting rid of Dems and Republicans alike, and moving to something else entirely…I’m not really sure what, personally, but the current system in America has proven itself susceptible to human greed and corruption, on BOTH sides of the aisle.

            Unfortunately, America can’t seem to see beyond a 2-party system (duhhh…what’s a independent??), let alone a whole new system of government that takes the focus away from the almighty dollar (our new god). Even more unfortunate, is that the corruption runs way deeper than all the bumbling politicians you can see, but rather beyond that…to the people who pull the politicians’ strings, and run things behind the scenes. People like the Rockefellers, and the rest of his Bilderberg cronies. And, of course, the people who cater to them…like your own Bob Livingston here, and all his faithful minions.

            However, if you think tough-talk is the answer, then I urge all of you computer chair warriors to put your money where your mouth is, and go fire off a few rounds on Capitol Hill…and then see what that gets you.
            Unfortunately, you’ll quickly find out where much of your tax dollars have gone…though it will be a short, fleeting moment…and you likely won’t even feel a thing. Quite simply put, no matter how well-armed some of you red-necks might THINK you are, the American military has you out-gunned. WAYYYYYYYY out-gunned. It will just end badly, as I see it.
            In my honest opinion, you’d be way better off trying to find a more democratic solution.

          • JeffH

            Dogma-Free, nice little bit of baiting in your diatribe…speaking of minions. How tough was it to pull away from the feed trough to get your 2cents in…hurry back, you might lose your spot in line!

          • eddie47d

            Jeff: We all can’t be in first place in line like SC,Dan Al and you. You always get the front row seats and set the stage. Some of us have other things to do in life so cut them a little slack. We have to eat your sour rhubarb pie so you can at least have a slice or two of our Progressive pie.

          • JeffH

            fast eddiot, your just envious and jealous. There is no other reason for your stupid comments like this one.

          • Average Joe Patriot

            Sam, we don’t have to go to the Federalist Papers. It’s in Article I of the standing Constitution:

            “No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.”

            Operative words: “No State shall…engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.”

            Washington’s delaying, so it’s up to the States, therefore, to respond as they see fit. DC lawyers may argue the definitions of each individual word (depends on your definition of the word “in,” etc.) but there it is, in black and white. Right there “IN” the US Constitution.

            I’d say thousands of non-US citizens pouring over our border, many armed and threatening or shooting at US citizens who stand in their way, infiltrating and blatantly sucking from our tax-funded institutions (including our prisons), targeting our law enforcement and border citizens and officers for violence, I’d say this constitutes “invasion.”

            Or we can sit around and let the professional politicians and lawyers decide. A very popular American thing to do, of late. If you’re living in a high-rise in Chicago or New York, but not if you live down here with us hicks on the border.

          • a progressive nightmare

            JeffH…..Well said! Envy, jealousy, hatred, control of others and GREED are the key components that make up eddiedum and Flushpan. That is the driving factor in a progressive’s life.

          • eddie47d

            nightmare on elm street; I can’t live without your daily dollop of criticism. You and Jeff have perfected it so you both get an A. I know you both have great imaginations so you can guess what the A stands for. Have a nice day!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            edduhhh47duhs!,
            They may get an “A” but you get an “F”. I’m sure you can figure out that one!!!

          • eddie47d

            Yup,Fantastic!

          • a progressive nightmare

            Well ole Eddiedum….You know what the ole Folks use to say ” The truth hurts, doesn’t it.” As sour as you world is due to your aforestated envy, jeolousy, hatred towards your fellow man, etc…you should change your call sign to “Progressive Mustard”.

      • FreedomFighter

        A country without borders does not remain a country. The Marxist want to flood our system with ignorant illegals, give them the ability to vote entitlements for themselves, thus crushing the American system.

        Vote the Marxist destroyers of America out, its almost to late.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • Jerry

          Truer words were never spoken. I’m with you on that.

          • a progressive nightmare

            Agreed 100%!!!

        • eddie47d

          Good ol’ Jeff always inciting violence to get his point across.I see you’re gang is growing!

          • a progressive nightmare

            I see clueless is back!

          • JeffH

            fast ediot, continue on with your daily dose of stupidity. It fits you well!

          • JeffH

            As my “gang” grows so does your little Marxist existance diminish.

          • JeffH

            Oh fast ediot, you still haven’t figured out how to post your Marxist blather under the correct comment.

          • eddie47d

            I deliberately put where you could see it.You are a Moral less CON and you prove it countless times.

          • JeffH

            fast eddiot, Your’re nothing but a dummy…and a liar!

          • eddie47d

            Go throw your power punches to someone else I’m not scared of you or your “gang”.

          • Kate8

            You know, JeffH, if we could all just restrain ourselves from swapping jabs with trolls like eddie, he’d get tired and go away.

            We must enjoy the sniping or we wouldn’t engage him.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, I know you’re right but at the same time it’s more of a game to see how stupid he can make himself look. I know he’s an easy mark, he just doesn’t know it.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            edduhhh!
            And I see your gang is shrinking!!!

          • Kate8

            JeffH, LOL.

            It really is hard to resist someone who is so easy.

          • eddie47d

            You know Kate is right but you continue to do it. What brilliance!I’ll continue to play chase the monkey as long as you show up. Okay,Oh great one! Wherever you are obnoxious and offensive I’ll be right behind you and I think Kate can even grasp that.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Kate8,
            yup edduhhhh47duhs! will be right behind you STINKIN UP THE PAGE!!!

          • eddie47d

            Is that the extent of you’re intelligence Joe? I think we’re safe now.

        • ChangingTimes

          Yes.

    • JeffH

      I think the codeword at the border should be…distance 1456 yds…crosswind 10mph…1.5MOA…ready…fire, fire…good hit!
      http://www.metacafe.com/watch/69866/expert_sniper/

      • Terry

        Jeff, You are on the right track, but before taking position, your sniper teams need to be deputized and duley authorized by the sherrif who is the on-scene commander. This protects those who will protect us. After a dozen or so casualties and a few lost shipments, there will be no more crime in our ‘zone’ as there will be no more bandits and drug haulers. Give us 2 weeks….

        • Christin

          Terry,
          I like the way you think!

          Even we know how to GET the job done…
          Must be the gubberment (Congress and the various presidents) don’t want that problem fixed.

      • J.M.R.

        I AGREE 110% STOP THE EVASION OF OUR GREAT COUNTRY, AND TAKE THE DICK-TATER TO

      • Alan

        When I reached this post, I was already thinking that a few Marine snipers could take care of this in very short order. Glad to see I’m not alone! Semper Fi

        • Robert S

          Alan Our gov’t isn’t going to send Marines to Az. The American drug addicts need their fix and we can’t hold up the shipments.

          • 45caliber

            Sadly, you are right. And many of them work in Washington, DC.

          • JC

            That’s a pretty sick and twisted analogy Robert.
            Are you seriously suggesting that our Government (such as it is) actually promotes the drug trade…to feed the people?
            Even though Americans are being killed, robbed and raped?

            The reality is this:
            We are being torn down as a country. This is being done on many levels and ignoring border security is one of the more ironic methods, considering what little old ladies and war veterans are subjected to in airports now in the name of “security”.
            Our Constitution is ignored unless it suits the NWO agenda.
            Our currency is being trashed. Our culture is being shot to pieces by political correctness.

            All in all it’s time to arm ourselves to the teeth.
            It wasn’t raing when Noah built the Ark – so plan ahead.

          • Average Joe Patriot

            JC said: “Are you seriously suggesting that our Government (such as it is) actually promotes the drug trade…to feed the people?
            Even though Americans are being killed, robbed and raped?”

            Why, heavens no, JC! Who would protect the heroin trade, for example? Or invent better ways to market cocaine in the ghettos (crack, for example). Certainly not our own CIA! Not the (wink, wink) DEA!

            The US prison system is one of the most lucrative back-end businesses on the planet. Drugs are the front-end. In between we have an enormous entrenched infrastructure of cops, lawyers, judges, lawmakers, and politicians whose very continued financial existence depends often in large part upon keeping the illegal drug trade in place. Legalize drugs and you destabilize the entire going concern.

            You must have an inkling of all this or you wouldn’t have raised the question. Illegal drugs are a vital cog in the American economy, not to mention the benefit to foreign and local drug lords, war lords, and the next a$$#ole running for office on an antiquated, failed War-on-Drugs platform.

            We now acknowledge that alcoholism is a disease, we have treatment centers and so on. At the same time we criminalize addiction to other drugs and create a lucrative infrastructure to penalize use of these other substances. (The treatment centers for those are called prisons.) And Big Pharma keeps inventing new ones, legal only through prescription.

            We even try to outlaw safe alternatives to dangerous addictions such as smoking tobacco leaves. (I’m using an endangered one now, called an electronic cigarette, the FDA would love to bust me and a million others for it, can’t figure out how, legally, yet…it’s saving my life from future expensive [lucrative and useless] chemo.)

            Yes, JC, the government condones and supports the drug trade. Historically, the shipping trades which created and supported whole nations have run on drugs: the tea and coffee and coca routes, the opium trade, tobacco and hashish, the sugar cane rum trade, all involved piracy (letters of marque), slavery, gunpowder, and…government approval.

            Why should “modern” governments be any different merely because they currently have to “disavow any knowledge?”

            It’s just good business, after all.

        • Bear

          Actually, Alan, a few good marine snipers could help but so would a few good army snipers, or a few good Nam types. That’s what I am and we are old enough now to not give a shit about getting someones permission or blessing to shoot a bunch of damn Mexican drug dealers. We’ll just shoot the S.O.B.’s and bring in a D-8 or a D-9 to do the earth work. Are you getting the picture? If we start worrying about getting someones blessing or permission to protect our country, we’re pissing into the wind.

        • eddie47d

          Bob Livingston knows how to stir up you boys. I guess that makes him the ring leader,right? I’ve been to Mexico many times and several parts and have never seen anyone who looks like that guy in the cover story.( Maybe American bike gangs). I reckon it’s easier to demonize people if you paint an ugly picture of them. The scarier the better,right! No wonder drug dealers sneak into this country if you don’t even know what the majority look like.

          • ChangingTimes

            Some bud of mine used to go a whoring in Mexico. They do not dare go now. Fact is, they can find all the Mexican whores needed here in the SE without the risk of going to Mexico. Many parts of Mexico are off limits to people who value their own life. What your killer looks like is no consequence when you are dead.

          • a progressive nightmare

            Eddiedum…good for you…Go back and stay. I will buy the ticket.

          • eddie47d

            Sorry nightmare but my wife lost her job under the last administration and it’s been hard for her to find a decent paying job. Her previous employer was one of those fantastic companies with a greedy CEO who took the company down the tubes.He made off with millions and outsourced numerous positions. Then he fired over 28,000 workers. Those are the kind of corporations you love and endorse in all your free market rants. You all support the death of America by allowing these corporates to screw everything they touch. Haven’t been to Mexico in 3 1/2 years but if our great CEO’s keep shafting the American worker we may all have to move there or at least live like them.

          • a progressive nightmare

            Eddiedum, I would bet a dollar to a donut that your wife’s company was UNIONIZED and THEIR GREED brought the company down, just like GM, not the CEO. You seem to have trouble with basic math and business 101. A CEO’S pay has very little to do with BRINGING a company down but the POWERS OF MANY (i.e.; UNION THUGS) can bring a company down in a heart beat. Most CEO’S eventually grow tired of the lack of productivity and exponential increase in wage and benefits so they have no other choice but to move the company to a different more productive environment. Get use to the idea, more is to come until we get these UNION folks to wake up and understand the realitiy of their “Collective” situation. i.e.; Marxism at it’s best!

      • Al Sieber

        I agree 100%.

      • Al Sieber

        JeffH, that’s what it’s coming to. thanks for the links.

    • Al Sieber

      sc, this is what I was telling you last week, also the corridor comes right through my area, can you believe this is happening? this president is a traitor.

    • HFlashman

      Someone please correct me if I’m wrong <— SC

      OK…you asked, I'll help you out correcting your erronoeus analysis. Folks here like to simlify things beyond the point where reality can reach. But to hammer it through even the lowest mentality of the TPer…try this.

      Supply and demand. There is a huge demand for underwage, uneducated, exploitable labor in the US. A demand untempered by Congress. In fact, encouraged by Congress. The public has allowed itself to be stupified and ignore the real criminals…the employer who utilizes undcumented labor to evade taxes, pay low wage, and perpetuate a Social Class seperate and unable to meld with our society.

      Unless we want borders akin to the Iron Curtain, we will never have unassailable borders. Yes..there are those freaks who think a wall would be good. But would it? A wall works both ways y'know..walls folks out..but far more importantly, it walls people in. Do you want that?

      The other area which is important is the stability of the Mexican Government. Again…Congress will not or cannot force change in the Mexican government. And the border region is a No Man's Land. You want to see where we are headed unless we break the power elite built up under almost 30 years of uninterrupted Conservative leadership in gvernment? look to our south. You want to see what will occur if the American people are successful in defeating the current GOP/Conservative ideology and alliances? look to our north.

      Now ask yourself…why isn't the GOP screaming for immigration reform? Hard question to ask…easy to answer if anyoe is truthful with themselves. Because it lays in two answers…one is, "illegal aliens" plays into the GOP polical hands. Fear and Xenophobia of the easily led and lower mentals. Just wave the issue in front of the TP crowd, and it's like feeding meat to hyenas…they yap and go wild in blood lust. The other? The GOP is bought by the powerful and wealthy. They won't because it's very profitable to have undocumented labor undercutting Americans and our jobs.

      There ya go…you wanted to be corrected, Glad to oblige you.

      • Dagney

        “Immigration Reform” is just Communist-speak for Amnesty. Obviously, that is not the answer, Mr. Flash-in-the-pan. Enforcing the current laws that have been ignored for years is. 1. Fine or prosecute those “evil” employers, who ARE breaking laws at our current (and, yes, past NON-conservative government’s behest) for hiring the illegals. When the jobs dry up, most (not all, but MOST) illegals will go home. 2. Enforce our borders! Snipers for those drug cartel animals sounds good to me!

        • a progressive nightmare

          Dagney…100% correct! Immigration reform is nothing more than double-speak for Amnesty. Just another progressive attempt to clowd the issue and cover up their failure to enforce Article IV Section-4 of the constitution. It’s all about THEIR politics and continuation of THEIR POWER and to Hexx with WE THE PEOPLE and our country.

        • thinking

          So funny Dagney
          They will go back, to what? Free food? oh thats here, Free medical, oh thats here, Your baby becomes a citizen and then can get all u.s. entitalments. Safer places to live, oh thats here. Go back to what? Cartels killing for fun! Maybe a dirty cell in a prison. Maybe to wait for checks from the us so they don’t come back.
          As far as flash goes putting up a wall does not lock us in. We have a large county and can move about freely but in mexico you would go to jail if you wonder across the border, unless you bring a passport and go throught there security.

      • marvin

        HFlashman
        i see said the blind man,the flashless is at it agin,fact blacks and hispanic,s vote 80 to 90% dembocrat so where would be the point of a normal person even trying to understand your know it all far left rants and raves, my feeling is who in there right mind would want to go to mexico, you are intitled to your own post but not your own fact, so get your head out of your liberal as- and stop fart snifing,obama is not the savior,he is just another liberal hack like you,that can not or will not tell the truth

      • Al Sieber

        HF, you have no idea what is going on out here in Ariz. with the drug cartels, you think they’re coming over here for jobs?

        • HFlashman

          Al….as to the drug cartels? Nope…it’s what I mentioned as to the Mexican government and ‘no man’s land”. But shutting us in with a wall is not the answer…no is mandating an “ID card where those that aren’t carrying one go to jail. Remember…undocumented workers aren’t all brown…just in case you forget that fact.

          I totally agree with Dagney on one point…toss the criminal employers in jail for awhile (30 days in the county hoosegow should be enough). No jobs…no reason to come here.

          As to those drug cartels…walling us in is the solution? I think not. The solution is pushing for reform south of the border…not here in the US …

          • a progressive nightmare

            Flashpan….What? HUH! I thought you progressives were all about NOT being the worlds police force? Just how are you BRILLIANT progressives going to reform a backward nation like Mexico? Buy more of their DRUGS maybe?

          • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

            Flush-man, I live less than one mile from the border, that’s about 12 blocks, Agua Prieta, Sonora Mexico is the name of the place where 6 Cartels are killing innocent people for the complete control of the Drug and human trafficking money, and bringing all that corruption to Tucson and Phoenix AZ..
            Reform them? you suffer from cranial, rectal insertion, Agua Prieta’s Numero Uno is the Presidente Municipal (Mayor) a former State and Federal Senator of Sonora, how’s that for Mexican politics. This is the place in SE Arizona where Bob Krentz , the cattle Rancher was killed by an alleged illegal cartel member. Did you say a prayer for Bob by any chance or did you HIP HIP HOORAY for the cartels and Mexican Illegals? The local Consular of Mexico raises more hell against the Gingos racism than the killings of his country’s Mexican Cartels. People like you are sick Traitors! The Town is 85% Hispanic ( politically correct ) “Mexicans” Democrats and Hated SB 1070, because this is a sanctuary town, the Democrat Party Welfare Plantation of Cochise County. I say Lock and Load and get your ammo ready, these Mexi-Bastards intend to kill gringos and take control of our Sovereign Borders at any cost.
            Flush-man take your Crap- Liberal BS and stuff it up your “Como se Llama” because you don’t know what the hell your are spouting about. If you are such a dip-low-mat come here and show me how it’s done. You know nothing of what you speak, and by the way, do you have any Gringo daughters?, they will gladly breed them for you, that way you can have mixed Mexi-Liberal Gringo anchor grand-nietos, now doesn’t that have a nice Liberal ring to it. It’s “Pendejos” like you that encourages them to continue with their “Reconquista”, I’m sure you will join them and fight against this Republic. Call your “Proctologist” immediately your are in Dire-Strait .

          • eddie47d

            Hey Flashman don’t upset Rev. Nightmare he’s too busy protecting the country club boys. You’ll never get him to go after the corporate employeers who hire the illegals. It’s easier to sit back and mock the poor immigrants who probably work 10 times harder than he does.That Nightmare is a real “work” of art.

          • JeffH

            …stupid is as stupid does…E47D

          • eddie47d

            Once again Jeff you are incapable of saying anything but crap comments. Must have brain freeze unless you are posting someone elses information.Always plagiarizing someone else to make yourself look good!

          • JeffH

            dummy eddiot, first you have to know the meaning of “plagiarize”, then you must use it in the proper context which you have missed on both accounts.

            Stupid is as stupid does!

          • Kate8

            JeffH – Ya just can’t win sometimes.

            If you don’t post a link, you get “where’s the link” to “prove it”.

            When you clearly post the links, you get accused of plagiarizing.

            Some people won’t see it no matter what you do. With them, believing is seeing.

          • a progressive nightmare

            eddiedum or alias THE GREAT I AM….The truth hurts, doesn’t it!

          • eddie47d

            Sorry Kate 8; Jeff is the one who always demands links so please don’t confuse him with me. I like to hear what people think not always from a 3rd party screed as Jeff always does. I may not always agree with you but at least you speak for yourself.

          • eddie47d

            Nightmare; There is never any truth in Jeff’s personal attacks so there isn’t any truth to be offended by. He’s only being a jerk just like you in your personal attacks. I like to think of you as two monkeys in a tree but you stoop so low you must be one of those ground crawlers.(starts with an S). Have a nice day!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            edduhhh47duhs!,
            you are on the ground and you start with an “S” as well! but you don’t move!!!!

          • a progressive nightmare

            Well ole Eddiedum…..You have once again demonstrated the foolishness and folly of your emotional mindset. You would make a great progressive senator. Since I grew up on a farm and was taught the importance of HARD WORK, your comments make you appear to be even more foolish than you already are. In fact, I am one of MILLIONS of hard working folks that will no longer tolerate this oppressive regime in Washington who rewards bad behavior and punishes good hard working folks. I smell a little change in the air come November and it is not the FAKE HOPIE CHANGE BS that your airhead in the WH sold the masses of lesser intelligent folks.

        • Robert S

          In NY there are police on street corners with assault weapons. The people still don’t get it.

      • Dagney

        By the way, not speaking for S C….however, I’m sure “correct me if I’m wrong” was directed at people who use their critical thinking skills, know good from evil, truth from prevarication, and LOVE and know the history of this country, though they may still have different opinions. And, I’m sure it was NOT directed at people who spout Daily KOS talking points, believe Marxism is the Utopia we need. I’m also sure it was NOT directed at people who are genuinely mentally ill because they ENVY people who accomplish things, refuse to see the YEARS of evidence of damage leftward legislastion has done, and hate this “shining city on the hill” and do not understand its purpose and meaning for people the world over.

        • a progressive nightmare

          Well put Dagney! I concur 100%.

      • Al Sieber

        HF,You sir are a uneducated, ill informed fool. you have no idea what you’re talking about concerning the issues we’re facing here in Ariz. with these drug cartels. it’s a “friggin” war zone.

        • Robert S

          Al Too many people here spend too much time criticizing HF. He is accomplishing what he set out to do. Keep people from posting serious solutions. Time to ignore him and he’ll go away.

          • Al Sieber

            Robert S, you are correct, it’s a waste of time.

      • a progressive nightmare

        This is the latest news in folks, Flashpan spews again!

        Flashpan, now that you have wasted our time, once again, with your lilly-liberal-progressive anti-american hatred, and since you are the self-appointed constitutional scholar, why don’t you explain to us how Article IV Section-4 of the constitution applies to this on-going passive invasion of OUR country.

        Please don’t waste any more of our time with your anti-american, Bush-hating, silly progressive finger pointing. Do we have a right to protect our personal property or not? Do we have a right to protect our borders, or not? Does A4S4 in the constitution mean anything to your kind or not?

        The aforestated are simple questions that should require a simple answer. Again, we understand your diversion tactics from the REAL issues at hand, so, for once in your life, let’s hear an honest answer, if you think you are capable of doing so.

        • HFlashman

          Nightmare…are you referring to the “invasion’ clause? I’m assuming so since that’s the usual retreat of a TPer and wacked conservative when they have no answers to their insecirities and Xenophobic mindset.

          Before one can answer…i have to ask..what foreign country has invaded us with thier armed forces?

          Let me also ask…assuming you want armed forces along our border…you willing to pay for them? And are you saying we should have machine gun toting soldiers on every street corner…ala’ third world countries?

          • a progressive nightmare

            Flashpan….You just cant give an honest answer can you.

            Let’s see just what A4S4 says, as follows:

            “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.”

            The KEYWORD here is INVASION. It does not say “ARMED INVASION” nor does it state INVASION by a foreign ARMY or MILITARY. The fact is, not only can the President be held in contempt of his CONSTITUTIONAL duties but the LEGISLATURE can be held accoutable as well.

            Isn’t it interesting just how intelligent our FOUNDERS were. They understood that AMERICA could be undermined from within if those in power failed to control our borders and protect us from INVASION. The fact is, all those who HATE America have understood for decades that we cannot be defeated HEAD ON, so, you do it passively with an UNARMED invasion by MILLIONS of illegal aliens. We are in FACT being invaded by a foreign power.

            Your simple mind and/or dishonest mind seems to read things into OUR constitution that do not exist.

            As far as placing OUR army on the Mexican Border? YOU BET! In fact, if I were the PRESIDENT I would give THEIR president ONE option! Stop this INVASION or I WILL! Why? Because it would be my CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY to do so. TO PROTECT WE AMERICANS FROM INVASION!!!

          • http://none EMU135

            We don’t need troops on the border. We here in Az. would be more than willing and able to kick these invaders out of OUR state as I’m sure the Texans, and New Mexico folks would,(don’t know about the warm and fuzzy Californians though) and we’d be more than happy to do it for free! All we’re waiting for is a request from our elected officials and law enforcement officers, when they’re done pussyfooting around with the federal government. Let’s see if the feds will take up arms against the people of a state for protecting itself, and if they do, how the rest of the country reacts to that! If the feds won’t enforce the rule of law, and protect the border, we will, it’s just a matter of time!

          • Kate8

            Progressives like Flash just can’t grasp this issue because they live in a conceptual world, not the real one. They are unable to empathize with Americans who are being threatened and injured by illegals, because they always side with anyone but America.

            It won’t be until it is THEIR family, THEIR home or property, that they will understand the unconscionable treason being committed by our politicians against the American people.

            For some reason the Left has a doormat menality when it comes to protecting America.

          • a progressive nightmare

            Kate8,,,Who said Flashpan owns anything? He lives in the basement of the WH. LOL!

          • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

            Flush-man Let me repeat, stuff your ignorant spouting BS into your “COMO SE LLAMA”, You don’t know squat .

          • eddie47d

            WIA; Go back to you’re Trail of Tears and the abuse you must have relished. It’s sad when someone get’s screwed and then turns around and screws others. You’ve learned nothing.

          • Kate8

            eddie – That was a horrible, racist remark!

            Eddie’s a racist! It’s here for all to see!!

            LOL.

          • a progressive nightmare

            Kate8…..Well sure! Progressives are the biggest racists and bigots on the planet not to mention their self-appointed “god” status over their fellow Americans. Sick people!

          • eddie47d

            Kate8; Go get the big picture and see what WIA said about the Trail of Tears in a previous comment yesterday. Then read what he said above. Connect the two and you’ll see what I meant and that would make WIA the racist. Don’t jump to conclusions unless you know the facts.

          • eddie47d

            Nightmare:You are the sick puppy for my comment went over your head also. I’ll let you go back and read WIA’s comments yourself. If you have time to find out the truth although I doubt if you will for few of you do.

          • Kate8

            eddie – My comment had more to do with your recent post calling me a racist.

            My point was how stupid it is that anytime we make any comment with any racial context whatsoever, someone yells ‘racist!’ I think most posters here can figure out what constitutes real racism and what is just an ideological jab.

          • libertytrain

            Kate – very nicely said. Racism has become quite the casual word amongst the left posters -

          • a progressive nightmare

            Eddiedum, Not to be arrogant but you couldn’t handle one of my brain farts when it comes to IQ and common sense.

      • 45caliber

        flash:

        You say a wall on the border would work both ways. It would keep us in as well as them out. Perhaps you have information that I don’t, but I haven’t heard anywhere that the Americans are fighting for a chance to slip into Mexico illegally. The Americans I hear about do it legally at border crossings. None of us are trying to immigrate to Mexico.

        While I do agree that some GOP – not conservatives – want the border open, I see far more Dems that want it that way. In fact, one of the Texas Congressmen (D) (don’t remember his name) has tried for years to get the US to absorb Mexico on the grounds that the people in Mexico make less than the poverty level and therefore should be placed on our Welfare system – which is already drowning due to payouts.

        • barbmiller

          you’re probably talking about ruben hinojosa, but you may as well include all the texas democrat congressmen who are, by a vast majority, of hispanic ancestry and want to let them all in here. charlie gonzalez and ciro rodriguez are having a tough time of it in this election. hopefully, we’ll get them out this time. it’s hard to get charlie out because his dad henry b. was a VERY popular congressman. he tried his whole career to get the federal reserve out of our government and have them audited. though a dem, he was a man of all the people.

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          The only wall these Mexicanos will ever understand is a wall of their dead. Go Sparta 300 !

      • S.C.Murf

        you are a liberal fool. God said that it is good to be conservative, so to be a liberal is bad. you are bad for everything America stands for. you like things the way they are, you are comfortable in the way this country is being run. you think you are one of the elite’s and you don’t want anyone rocking the boat so as to take away from what you have. Well I’ve got news for you broke dick crap head, the bible says that this country WILL right itself and get back on track to carry out the work He intended. And if you look around at what He created and still believe there is no God then I was wrong in saying that you are a liberal fool because in fact you are a blind liberal fool. The government has a one way mission destined for Mars why don’t you help us out and volunteer.

        • HFlashman

          And so speaks a supporter for an American Taliban…which separates him from the goals of a terrorist exactly how?

          • a progressive nightmare

            about the same thing that separates YOU from a round room and a straight jacket, you anti-american piece of crap.

          • S.C.Murf

            What in God’s name are you talking about? you make no sense in what you just said. your mind is clouded with greed because you like things the way they are so you just confuse the issues. If you won’t help us right the ship then please get out of the way.

          • Kate8

            A wise man’s heart is at his right hand, but a fool’s heart at his left. Yea also, when he that is a fool walketh by the way, his wisdom faileth him, and he saith to everyone that he is a fool.
            Ecc. 10:2.

          • http://GOGGLE vaksal

            TO;HFLushman,you are a leftwing troll,like name calling? go to the communist web sites,your buddies there will love you,you dont hold water on this site,everyone here thinks your a jerk,and thats putting it kindly.

          • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

            Flush-man stuff your treasonous mentality in your Como Se Llama !

      • http://none EMU135

        Hey there you left wing whacko, why don’t you come down here to Arizona, and walk across the border into Mexico and see what happens to yourself. We, I assure you, won’t have to read your left wing drivel for a long, long time, They’d throw your liberal ass in a Mexican prison with no legal rights what so ever, and then they’d extort all the money they could get out of your family and then in a couple years, down the road, they’d kick your stupid ass out of their country. Care to make any bets?

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          EMU135, Flush-man has probably never been to any border other than his borderline of treasonous mentality. He suffers from cranial, rectal insertion.

          • a progressive nightmare

            LMAO!

      • Brad

        Hflashman,

        Answer this one question, why does the SEIU knowingly represent illegal ailiens working with and for their union. Illegal is Illegal no matter what country they are from, they all should be sent packing.

        • Robert S

          The unions drove the textile industry out of the South. Then the Hollywood Communists made a movie glorifying it. I stopped supporting the Hollywood Commies 40 years ago. If most Americans did they would cease to be. They would be making B movies in Guatemala.

      • Vigilant

        Only a hard core Orwellian propagandist could equate conservative policies with porous borders. And to make the ridiculous claim that we’ve had “30 years of uninterrupted Conservative leadership in government?” On top of that, he takes Conservatives to task for encouraging employers to hire illegal aliens?

        It’s beyond delusional.

        • HFlashman

          Vigilant….do you really want the number of CURRENT members of the GOP leadership who supported amnesty in the past citing reasons like ‘”they’ do the work Americans won’t?”

          Have you heard of any of the GOP saying any type of reform should include heightened police powers over employers who are criminals hiring undocumented workers?

          Actually….anyone heard of any of the GOP proposing ny immigration reform whatsoever?

          Think about that.

          Also, ask yourself what happened to that vaunted fence Shrub and the GOP extolled so much…threw billions at, took away property of Americans to build it…and then forgot about it after their cronies took the monies …

          Jeesh ….

          • thinking

            Hflash
            If Obama is so against big business and banksters, then why is he in bed with them? They gladly take handouts from any government leader who will give them free money by the truck load, wall street, banks, Gm and all this helps the republicans! You better check your leader to see who’s side he is on. Oh you maybe a recipient of the government bail outs, well good for you, leech.

          • Vigilant

            It seems that no matter how many times you take a leftiie to task for confusing Republican and Conservative values, they remain stone deaf and utterly blind to the difference.

            Your tirade against Bush and the GOP fails to change or refute even ONE thing I said.

          • eddie47d

            Vigilant; All conservative business folks turn a blind eye to corporations hiring illegals. They don’t turn them in or set them straight.It’s business as usual so what part of that don’t you understand? Go to the source of the problem.

          • a progressive nightmare

            Flushpan and Ediedum….The problem is in WASHINGTON by refusing to inforce Art4 sec4…It is that SIMPLE!

          • Vigilant

            eddie said;

            “All conservative business folks turn a blind eye to corporations hiring illegals. They don’t turn them in or set them straight.It’s business as usual so what part of that don’t you understand? Go to the source of the problem.”

            No business man who “turns a blind eye,” encourages, supports, engages in or advocates the hiring of illegals is a Conservative. What part of that don’t you understand?

          • eddie47d

            Vigilance: Conservatives make money anyway they want to and they are all not the decent folks you make them out to be. Check out the facts about some of our CEO’s and what churches they belong to and what organizations and clubs they belong to. What they proclaim doesn’t always match with their actions.

      • chipshot

        hflashman,
        In reality neither the dems or the repubs (jointly composing the one-party political system we are now following) can be defended with regard to the border security issue. I believe the repubs have in fact fallen into bed with the business interest that support cheap labor and the dems want the policical support they get from the illegals so both members of the one-party system support an open border. And, in truth, both are controlled by the elistist pushing us into the NWO of a World Government controlled by the UN.

        As for “borders akin to the Iron Curtain”, I for one believe that would be a good thing. Borders, language, culture define a country. And our country was a great place to live if you go back 30 or 40 years ago.

        I have to wonder if you would support a wall or a “border akin to the Iron Curtain” if you were living on the Arizona border and had to deal with the situation down there?

        Regarding the stability of the Mexican government I would say we should keep our nose out of their business. We are already fighting at least two “wars on Terror” in places we should not be in the first place, and I think instead of expanding our foreign involvement we should be reducing it by bringing our troop home.

        I would station our returning forces on the border with Mexico with authorization to fire at will, and see what kind of intrusions we get from the cartels and the mexican army after our troops are in place for about a week. The would be a better solution than building a wall.

        Having said all that, I believe that there are many more issues at play than the open border policy. That is just one of the many government policies that are designed to weaken and undermine the US as a republic. We are being attacked on many fronts by many groups and individuals in an attempt to enforce the One World Government. This battle started nearly 100 years ago with the amendment to allow the feds to collect income taxes (i.e, redistribute wealth) and with the federal reserve act which created the fiat currency we have today.

        Until we disband the feds and return to a gold or silver standard, and eliminate the FIT, we will continue down the slope to oblivion and only the elitist will win.

        • JeffH

          chipshot, I couldn’t agree with you more. Hflash is a common liberal lackey who’s tightly wound with the Marxist ideology of Alinsky. Whether he/she is a paid schill or not, the message is always the same…same message, different voice. It ain’t about the Dems vs Repubs or even the left vs right…it’s about us vs them, the controlling money pushing the NWO agenda on our soveriegn nation and the nations of this earth.
          Ban the Fed and you’ll tie up their purse strings. Lincoln and JFK died trying but maybe, just maybe the support of a vocal, voting majority can give it a good run. If not, keep some powder dry and lock ‘n load!

      • DaveH

        Good Grief, Flashman. Do you ever give up with that “blame the employers” crap? It is the role of the Government to protect us from illegal immigration. It isn’t the role of business. If Government can’t do that simple little thing, what are we paying them 37% of our GDP for?

        And for everybody else, I know this will fall on deaf ears, but the Drug Wars have only created more trouble for our country. Their illegality doesn’t deter the misfits from using them, but it does increase the prices dramatically. So the misfits must commit crimes to pay for their addictions. The big money attracts the most evil of our citizens to the drug trade. We are enriching the drug lords. Money is power, ask Mexico. Then add the draconian nazi-style raids on sometimes innocent victims by the Drug Warriors. There was not nearly the amount of turmoil caused by drugs before the Government decided to save us from ourselves. The innocent victims get caught in the cross-fire.
        http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/drug-war-victim/

        And on top of that it is costing us big money for the government to engage in their Drug Wars.

        • DaveH

          Watch this video and learn:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNZNtlgqfq4

          I would rather take my chances with the junkies anyday.

        • DaveH
        • DaveH

          For anybody who is still straddling the fence:
          http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=12476

        • JeffH

          DaveH, I figure the “blame the employers” comes sraight off of one of flashes Q cards.

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          DaveH, Flush-man is doing the Eddie69d. Eddie69d it was your kind that committed the Genocide !

          • eddie47d

            ….and you are trying to replay it by abusing someone else.

          • JeffH

            fast eddiot says: “….and you are trying to replay it by abusing someone else.” Does that mean fast eddiot is taking some responsibility for once? NOT! He doesn’t even know what he said.

        • eddie47d

          If I want anything out of you sicko Jeff I’ll squeeze a pimple from my butt. Until you know what is being commented on by someone else then you should BUTT out. Get you’re facts straight or pull your head out of your B…!

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        Flushman, get out of your parents basement. Flush your crap down your momma’s “como se llama”, and by the way are you married to an Illegal?

      • Boomercat

        Perhaps you should live a mile or two from the border as I do. Perhaps then you could appreciate what border dwellers are putting up with. Thank God Arizona has open carry. My family and I are armed at all times. It didn’t used to be that way, but…..and by the way:

        The net benefit of immigration to native-born U.S. citizens is only 0.25 percent of the gross domestic product, or roughly $33 billion. However, when considering the amount of lost wages resulting from the displacement of native-U.S. citizen workers who absorb about $375 billion in lost wages due to the addition of immigrants into the American workforce, this amounts to a net loss of $342 billion.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        flushman,
        I can only hope that yours is the next taken by an illegal!!!! I hope you get real hungry too, while you’re at it!! I don’t want you to starve, I just want you to get a feel of what it’s like for those that are out of work because of this hoard that is flooding across our border. You DO realize, don’t you, that one of your family members could be the next one killed by one of these runners or hooked by their haul!!!

      • ChangingTimes

        I am plenty wealthy, a reluctant Republican because the GOP is too liberal, and have no more power than a baby. By power what do you mean anyway? I cannot use my money to force anything on anybody. I cannot set my own prices or demand my own costs. I cannot launch an army or recall an ambassador. I will not sell to government which is where the power to overcharge is commonly exercised by all which I guess is one of your peaves. So, all I have is assets galore that are not productive. Which is a similar situation with the country at large. Assets of all kinds in the country’s case including human assets that will not produce.

        • libertytrain

          Nicely said — thanks.

    • refuse2lose

      Obama is doing something that has been going on for decades. Like everyone else,Obama knows what the real reason is for not securing the border…. massive amounts of drugs cross that border along with the illegals. Think about this for a minute,we have been throwing millions of dollars at the drug problem and it has gotten worse instead of better. Shouldn’t our government,knowing that securing the border would basically rid us of this problem,make it a priority? Why won’t they do it? The answer is crystal clear.

      • HFlashman

        Refuse…youm do realize do you not that over 80% of the non opiate drugs in the country are home grown/made?

        • a progressive nightmare

          You should know, ole flashpan. By the way, your name rings a bell. Flashman or alias flashpan? Let’s see, is that what those chemical do? i.e.; Flash in the pan?

        • Vigilant

          80%?

          Whar the HELL does that have to do with the illegal immigration problem? Another typical diversionary tactic of the left.

        • eddie47d

          The article mentions drugs and Vigilant says it is not about drugs? What are you smoking? Caliber says Flashman must be a drug user,(I suppose because he is a progressive) Then Nightmare chimes in and agrees. WHAT A CIRCUS! This is far better than that stupid Dumb and Dumber movie. You all chase your tails and come up with nothing.

          • Vigilant

            eddie says: “The article mentions drugs and Vigilant says it is not about drugs? What are you smoking?”

            FYI, the title of the article is “Inching Toward A Borderless North America,” and the first paragraph reads, “The Mexican invasion of Arizona is ongoing and the administration of President Barack Obama continues to allow it to happen.”

            Now, dummie, if you want to try and divert the thrust away from illegal immigration and turn it into a discussion of whether or not most opiates are homegrown, that’s your and Flush’s problem. I don’t think you’re going to get much response to your overtly diversionary tactic here.

            I was tempted to say, “nice try,” but it wasn’t.

          • a progressive nightmare

            Well ole eddiedum, Since Flushpan will not answer my question to him about A4S4 why don’t give us YOUR PROGRESSIVE understanding on A4S4 and how it relates to this passive INVASION by Mexico.

          • eddie47d

            Vigilant; Apparently you never read the whole articles so that is why you are so confused on the issues. I guess it’s only about what you want to see.

          • Vigilant

            No, eddie, I read articles with COMPREHENSION, obviously not your strong suit. The main thrust of the article was concerning the porous borders and the lack of action on the part of the sdministration. The drug issue is secondary to the main point.

            Care to release your SAT reading comprehension scores?

          • Vigilant

            …make that “administration.”

      • 45caliber

        refuse:

        It is clear … they don’t want to interrupt their own supply.

        • a progressive nightmare

          Yep!

          • eddie47d

            Yes Jeff it was beautiful and yes I’m posting this in the right spot. Unfortunately in life you have to practice what you preach. If you don’t stop wanting to shoot people up God isn’t going to let you anywhere near His Kingdom. You need to come to gripes with your fetish for killing and that self serving ego. Then God might give you a hug. Comprende’

          • JeffH

            …speaking of dumb and dumberer…

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JeffH,
            That was very nice of you to give edduhhh! an example of where a reply is supposed to be placed!!!

          • a progressive nightmare

            eddiedum…or alias “THE GREAT I AM”…..How does ytour last comment about GOD’s judgement apply to you baby killing PORGRESSIVES? Just curious? I’m sure GOD will show YOU his favor for KILLING HIS CHILDREN, correct?

          • eddie47d

            You could be correct Nightmare for a change. If someone get’s an abortion they may very well go to hell. God will judge that in due time. The 10 Commandments says do not kill. So why does Jeff have this fetish about killing people (and for sport at that). He thinks it’s a back slapping joke.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            edduhhh47duhs!,
            I don’t know about JeffH but I have a fettish for killing….When some drug runner is trying to kill me as they are doing on the border! The county I live in in Ohio also has a very high violent crime rate by illegal Mexicans. The county seat is a sanctuary city!!!

    • Vigilant

      I’m beginning to think that the only reason they are devoting drones to the “border” area is to prepare an accurate census count of the undocumented Democrats.

    • Bluejacket

      This is the price we pay for falling for the “hope and change” lie.

      Have we (not you specicically sc, but America) wised up yet?

      • Lewis Munn

        Is it a lie? I hope very strongly we will change, but I doubt we will; too many in on the take.

        I am too old to be of any help; Obama even wants, from what I hear, to kill me off. Reduce expenses. But that is too late; I made sure my kids got a GOOD education and know right from wrong.

        I would like to challenge those who say they have soldiered and wish the influx was stemmed, to go and do it. And some good photogs need to be at a safe distance to film if the US government interferes!

        And get the films on the Internet!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Lewis,
          The films on the internet won’t do a thing as they can shut down the system anytime they want!!

  • JeffH

    With everything we as a nation are facing, I thought it would be nice to share this with all of you.

    I know most of you will appreciate this. Absolutely beautiful and true.
    http://www.greatdanepro.com/Pray%20For%20America/index.htm

    • dan az

      JeffH
      Ill pass it on to everyone in my email thanks

    • a progressive nightmare

      Now that is POWERFUL! Thanks Jeff!

    • Brad

      The site has over 13 million hits so far, thanks JeffH.

    • Joyce from Loris

      Thanks, JeffH, I loved it and will share with others.

    • Kate8

      JeffH, I’ve seen this one, too. It’s beautiful.

      I also have gotten into singing Psalm 23 daily. It is comforting.

      “Yeah, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for Thou art with me…”

      The Psalms, like many OT books, read like current events. That is why they are prophetic. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

  • KimM

    Thanks JeffH but wouldnt a drone with Hellfires suffice nicely.

    • Terry

      Kim, a nuke would work too, but both are crazy overkill. Drone identification of incoming targets would be helpful, however. A few trained sniper teams can control an entire valley. Can you shoot and do you have evenings available?

      • 45caliber

        The real problem is that there is no bad problems with coming across if you get caught. I believe the Russian way would be best for us – simply demand all of those found to stop and surrender. And if they don’t … you know what those guns are for.

        We aren’t even supposed to protect ourselves if shot at, though. That is what really annoys me. If we shoot back (not acceptable to libs) then we are in more trouble than they are!

        • Robert S

          45 Remeber the Berlin Wall. If you tried to enter either the east or west section you were shot on sight. We need that on our borders.

    • alpha-lemming

      I’ve been a fan of peppering the “illegal highways” (desert routes) with human sized bug-zappers. BZZZZZT!! Does anyone else smell tacos??

  • Angel Wannabe

    This whole border control issue, is about politics. It’s another Washington ploy, playing God-Again, with peoples lives, for politcal gain. The gain is more votes, if they allow to eventually let the illegals vote. And because Washington took in the illegals, the people would surely vote in the democrap Messiah.__
    They could easily end this__by getting word to the innocents to get the hell outta the area, storm the border with plenty of National Guard, send in the drones & a few well placed bombs. Instead in contempt, they put up signs, stating your entering a dangerous area. That’s nothing more than blatant contempt!!_ and They make me sick!

    • Vigilant

      Worse than contempt, I would say. This administration is allowing foreigners to illegally occupy the sovereign lands of the United States of America.

      If that’s not a “high crime” in Constitutional terms, then nothing is.

      • Kate8

        Don’t forget that our politicians are taking bribes and payoffs from the illegal drug cartels for looking the other way and keeping the borders open to them.

        Illegal drugs are also used to fund illegal, covert government operations.

        How do you think they become multi-millionaires in such short time after entering office? Let’s count the ways…

    • DaveH
  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    Arizona is facing such a nightmare on a daily basis and our government does nothing. What will it take for the government to ‘watch the backs’ of the residents of Arizona, or any border state that has illegals flowing across it? They are having shoot outs there! Is it legal for the governor to call in the troops for protection? If they want open borders, then at least protect the citizens from gangs and law breakers!

    • 45caliber

      It isn’t just AZ. There is a lake on the border between Mexico and Texas. A man was recently shot there. Just in the last couple of days the drug dealers have killed the Mexican chief who was leading the search for the body. His head was delivered as a warning. And our news services say that BOTH Mexico and the US are intimidated! I think it is time for our law enforcement people to be allowed to shoot back. A few dead drug dealers might encourage the rest to be intimidated in turn.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        45caliber,
        send in a well armed company of battle hardened troops and clean out the woods around that lake! Find the lady”s husband while they’re at it!! Show these vermin that we won’t take any more!!! If Mexico complains tell them that all AID will be cut off!! see how long El Presidente of Mehico lasts then!!!

  • John Murphy

    Noone other than Ronald Reagan enacted an across the board amnesty for illegal immigrants to go along with his bailout of Chrysler, his largest tax increase in American history, his 10.8% unemployment rate and 42% approval rating in 1982 and 1983. Seems a lot of you forget all these things abour Reagan, which are very similar to or worse in your stated opinions than Barack Obama

    • Frank

      Everyone wants to blame Reagan. But it’s Congress as I remember it. Congress failed to implement the legislation as agreed to and signed into law by the president. Congress is responsible for everything that has gone sour in history. As usual, Congress ignored their responsibility and the law as written and failed to enforce, as they continue to do 30 years later.

    • FlaJim

      John-boy, you’re obviously a product of the public school system since most of your contentions are wrong.

      Reagan did sign the amnesty bill but it was supposed to be a one-time-only event. Both parties agreed with that. And it added only 6.2-million new citizens. In retrospect, we can see it was a mistake since few of them ever intended on assimilating as had countless waves of immigrants in the past. Most can’t even speak English.

      Far from increasing taxes, Reagan presided over the greatest decrease in taxes – which resulted in a great increase in tax revenues as people no longer feared to declare their true incomes, started spending, and helped create jobs.

      The jobless rate plunged sharply after the Reagan tax cuts in 83, a lesson the current collection of dunces in DC and you ought to learn.

      The point of this thread, however, is the federal government doing one of the few things it is permitted to do, like defending our borders, and laying off on all the others. There’s no constitutional authority to regulate education, energy, the environment, transportation, and a host of other things they’ve stuck their noses into while they stick their hands in our pockets.

    • Conservative at Birth

      Carter and Congress loaned money to Chrysler, not a bail out.

    • DaveH

      OMG, now the Liberals are taking us back to Reagan.

      • Vigilant

        DaveH:

        “OMG, now the Liberals are taking us back to Reagan.”

        Dave, actually I don’t mind being taken back to Reagan. Reagan is probably the greatest president of the 20th century. There is absolutely no doubt that, had we continued with his wise policies, we would not be in the awful mess we are experiencing today.

        Liberals, and their willing stooges in the public so-called “education” system, are loathe to teach their students two very important things he did: ending the Soviet Union’s vise grip on its satellite countries, and ushering in the longest sustained period of business prosperity in the history of America.

    • Bluejacket

      So let me understand you correctly. Since a (any) President you love to hate supposedly did the same thing (7th and 8th grade “he did it too” excuse) 27 years ago, that’s twenty-seven years ago, we shouldn’t do anything.

      Is that what you’re saying?

  • irongate

    Lets just bring in some C-130 Gunships and do the job right!

    Jeff-Take your time on the sights

    Kim -yes that would also if it had machine guns-let’s say some 50′s

    We have troops all over the world and we can’t even send them to the Border, o I forgot we might put some wheel tracks on the ground or harm a toad!

    • JeffH
      • KimM

        Irongate: C-130′s wish I would have thought that then we can incorporate mutiple military branches and give the cartels really something to think about.

        JeffH thanks again for a nice show…

        I’ve been reading these post here on PLN now for several days now and am quite suprised to see the immense amount of patriotism and intelligence still alive in this country. Although I belong to no party I am Very Pro America and Constitution!!! I believe that foriegn trade is a nessecity just as much as the private sector (mainly) Small businesses, and that it will be this that once again pull us out as long as we can stick together and remove what corruption we can from our government with each succesive eletion.

        I’m not normally for a violent reation in most areas but as for the current situation at our borders I think that this more than warrents an armed response. (and a serious one at that)

        It seems as though that Obamao and the current admin. maybe keeping and keep sending more of our troops overseas for this very reason.
        or maybe perhaps he knows that the Military won’t be able to keep him from overthrowing the government from within as most military and ex-military are overwhelmingly against his pololitical policies.

        • JeffH

          Welcome aboard KimM.

      • DaveH

        Before I start, I must confess that I sometimes wish we could just eliminate all the creepy people. But then reality sets in – somebody out there thinks every one of us is creepy. There wouldn’t be many of us left.
        I really can’t get into trial, judgement, and execution from 5,000 feet away. And I can’t help but wonder when they will start using those gunships on us. Call me a bleeding heart, but I expect the same morality from Government that I expect from individuals. I have seen many of these videos, and always the same questions pop into my mind. How can they possibly know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are from 5,000 feet away? Even with a spotter on the ground, who knows who is guilty of evil? Because they have a gun? That would be flimsy.
        And then I see these drug raids in our own country where they bust into a suspect’s home, shoot his dogs, and scare the crap out of the kids. All for what? Because somebody might get high for a while, and maybe, could, might possibly drive under the influence?
        I’m sorry, but when I see people engaging in exterminating people like we might exterminate bugs, I have to wonder – are we really the good guys?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JeffH,
        I remember a little C130 named Puff the Magic Dragon!! Mini guns mounted in quads on one side. Talk about a world of hurt????! They said that if they could do a controlled run down a football field on full auto they could put a round in every square inch of that field! 6000 rounds per minute per gun!!! I saw those guns on cobras working out at night. Every fith round is a tracer and you couldn’t see a break in the line of red. sounded like a loud hum!! no seperation of the pows!!!

        • JeffH

          JoeH, seem I remember that also…created for the Vietnam war if I remember right….wow, what a load of firepower.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JeffH,
            sure would make em piss their pants!!!

  • J.M.R.

    jm this dick-tater is the worst thing to happen to this great country. he proves every day the hell with the american people.

    • 45caliber

      I agree. And anyone so blind to not be able to see it should go somewhere (like Iran) so they can have their eyes opened.

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        I’m wondering if Flush-man, Dummiso and Eddie69d are reading this.

        • eddie47d

          Don’t worry we’re here. I’ll have your bags packed and give you all a nice little send off to Iran. Anyone who exploits their God whether Christian or Muslim deserves to be sent to some oblivious country. Have a nice trip!

  • Tom

    If we can go half way around the world to fight people who wish to do
    Americans harm why can’t we send militery to our souther borders to do
    same. Is this Oboma Care………….

    • 45caliber

      But Tom!! Soldiers shoot back when shot at!! And that isn’t fair!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        45,
        so do I!!!

    • Joterfett

      Tom, the politicians will NOT bring the troops home. They dare not. Why? Because that would defeat the plans for the North American Union. You see, when the American people have had enough of the borders being dissolved, and when martial law is declared upon the suspension of the Constitution, and when the hundreds of thousands of UN troops (look it up, they’re amassing for just this purpose) invade and go door-to-door to demand we surrender our arms, We The People will be defenseless without our normal troops in-country. If they allowed the US troops to return home, the troops would defend their countrymen. They wouldn’t shoot at their brothers and sisters; only a foreign army would dare to do so (i.e. the currently-amassing UN troops already here). Historical fact: if you want to overthrow a population by military means, you DO NOT rely on a citizen-based military; you hire foreign national military elements to do the citizen killing, because they have much less problem shooting someone who isn’t “their people”. Think I’m nuts? Do some research on the subject and you’ll be astounded. UN concentration camps? FEMA camps? It’s coming, folks. It’s coming. Either call me crazy because you can’t conceive such a thing, or look it all up and educate yourself.

      • KimM

        I happen to concur that it is quite feasible and rather frightening a thought. I too have have thought this very thing, less the UN troops though.

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        I will concur with you on this one, Federal Indian Reservations were originally concentration camps under the Department of War, Democrats historically speaking, you are dealing with a similar form of government today, complete control. That’s Eddie69d style of government and if need be, genocide of their own.

      • DaveH

        I don’t think you’re nuts at all, Joterfett. The Russians employed that concept to quell uprisings. They purposely shipped soldiers to areas where they had no kin, knowing that they would be less likely to sympathize with the locals.

  • a progressive nightmare

    Welcome to the “Progressive Nightmare” folks. This on-going PASSIVE invasion of OUR lands is a direct violation of Article-IV Section-4:

    “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.”

    The KEYWORD here is INVASION. It does not say “ARMED INVASION” nor does it state INVASION by a foreign ARMY or MILITARY. The fact is, not only can the President be held in contempt of his CONSTITUTIONAL duties but the LEGISLATURE can be held accoutable as well.

    Isn’t it interesting just how intelligent our FOUNDERS were. They understood that AMERICA could be undermined from within if those in power failed to control our borders and protect us from INVASION. The fact is, all those who HATE America have understood for decades that we cannot be defeated HEAD ON, so, you do it passively with an UNARMED invasion by MILLIONS of illegal aliens. We are in FACT being invaded by a foreign power….MEXICO….and if not stopped, we will lose our country and our FREEDOMS.

    In fact, the failure of OBLAMA to protect us from INVASION is an act of high treason and should be an impeachable offense.

    • a progressive nightmare

      and before all you progressive KOOKS jump on the BUSH BASHING, I hold BUSH, Clinton and all those before them in contempt of the constitution by not inforcing Article IV Section-4 and stopping this ongoing INVASION of OUR country.

    • FlaJim

      Well said. Can’t add anything to that.

      • HFlashman

        I agree…it definitely shows Nightmare’s mental swiftness is akin to a herd of turtles wading through peanut butter.

        • a progressive nightmare

          and just what part of my comments does the self-appointed constitutional scholar disagree with?

          • a progressive nightmare

            and the ALL-OMNIPOTENT, ALL-OMNISCIENT Flashpan runs away again…We’re waiting Flash….let’s hear your constitutional answer flash. You affraid of the truth or what?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            nightmare,
            him and edduhh! have to get their O.D. green tutus on to answer fact or common sense!!!

        • Vigilant

          Afraid of the truth? Flush wouldn’t know it if it hit him in the face.

          • a progressive nightmare

            I agree! He spews all his liberal lies and asserts himself as some all powerful intellectual but has no facts to back up his progressive nonsense. As in this example, where he reads things into OUR constitution that does not exist. I mean, A4S4 is about as plainly spoken as it gets. Heck, a child could understand it and the reasoning behind it!

            Bottom line, his behavior seems to refect a “progressive trend” that runs all the way to the WH.

          • JeffH

            The only reason Flush is here at all is because it’s his job to be here.

          • DaveH

            Don’t flatter Flashman, Nightmare. There is nothing intellectual about the guy. He is just the typical Liberal who confuses Hopes and Dreams with fact. He is as far away from intellectual as I could imagine anybody to be.

          • a progressive nightmare

            DaveH…Couldn’t have said it better myself. Both eddidum and flushpan are clueless. I do however enjoy watching them make fools of themselves. Both talk in circles. Must be the THC factor?

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          Flush-man you must be one of those “Hang around the Fort” types, always waiting for the Government to give you a hand out. Hey Flush when was the last time your read the constitution ? Oh, I know, your busy with Eddie69d doing your thing and just being here, right?
          To all of you Patriotic American Conservatives, most of us Indians,( Native American ) for the politically correct, regardless of wrongs, we will always join you in fighting the enemies of our lands and Republic. You Bet Chum Red Rider!
          Hey Eddie69d do you know the true meaning of Kemo-Sabe ?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            WIA,
            I think I could answer that!!

          • eddie47d

            Years ago I heard it meant soggy bush in Navajo. How about giving us your professional interpretation.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            WIA,
            wow! he went to the internet to look it up!!!! It depends if you want the version from the Lone Ranger which is Faithful scout or the tribe from around Lake Michigan (can’t remember their tribal name) which was soggy bush. There was one also that meant faithful friend!

  • Barb

    We need a full scale military assault not just the National Guard defending our border. We need the Marines in there treating it like the war that it is! It’s time to take our country back in more ways than one and Osama Obama needs to be tried for Treason on this matter, PERIOD! To John Murphy, Obama is out to destroy our beloved country any way he can, if you insist on living in the past and refuse to acknowledge what’s really going on then I have no feelings of mercy for you and your kind. What happens to you in the end is your fault not ours!

    • 45caliber

      I agree. But sometime back we had some Marines patrolling the border. A Mexican began shooting at them. The Marines tried everything to get him to stop … and he kept shooting. So one killed him. The Mexican government objected. So the Feds required the Marine to be tried for murder to make Mexico happy. The military court found him innocent. So the Feds insisted he should have been tried in civilian court. So the civilian court found him innocent. So the Feds insisted he be tried in federal court for violation of the Mexican’s civil rights. He was found innocent again. So the Feds pulled all our troops off the border and refuse to put them back. It isn’t fair that our men will shoot back!

    • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

      If you read one of my previous posts, the only language these Mexi-bastards will ever understand is the bullets flying at them and a wall of their bodies. Go Sparta 300 !

    • Lewis Munn

      If I read the Co0nstitution, a Treason trial has to start and pass in Congress. Citizens cannot do it.

      How you gonna get as bill of Treason and a Conviction through a bought-off Congress?

      Wake up folks.

  • Disgusted

    Key words in this article are “70 miles inside Arizona” – if they have crossed our border and are armed then this is an invasion on America and should be dealt as such. Why are we across the sea fighting someone elses battle when we have our own battle to fight. The second they cross our border with the intent of “kill bandits that had been hijacking their drug shipments” (which is probably the Sherriff department) then we are under attack and should respond accordingly.
    The thought that our government has this information and did and is doing nothing about it is treason. It is our governments job to protect us from all foreign enemies! and domestic – that is an even scarier scenario we are unfortunately “not dealing with as well”.

    Protect our Borders!
    No amnesity for illegals!
    Vote the current administration out and hope for better!
    Bring our troops back home – fix our problems before we get involved with other countries problems!

    • a progressive nightmare

      I’ll buy that for a dollar!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        I’ll buy it for TEN!!

    • 45caliber

      Disgusted:

      I agree with you. Unfortunately if one of us did shoot one of those armed snipers on our land, WE would be the ones who would get into trouble. Like the Marine I mentioned above, despite the fact that we aren’t supposed to be tried more than once for the same crime, the feds will do their best to keep trying us until they get the decision they want. And they DON’T want us to defend ourselves or our country!

  • http://www.personaliberty.com frank

    Obummer flips the bird to the border states and the rest of the country and openly defies the will of the people.Now they are trying to further weaken the military by openly letting in gays . Who makes these decisions for us? obummer hussein has to go !!!!.

  • Joyce from Loris

    We have laws that are pretty clear about illegal aliens. It is the Federal Immigration and nationality Act, Section 8 USC 1324. Look it up. Our own State governments are BREAKING THE LAW by providing housing, food stamps, free medical, etc. to illegal aliens. Obama’s aunt was in this country for twenty years ILLEGALLY. She lived in free housing and draws a DISABILITY CHECK, for pete’s sake. She was granted asylum after Obama became president. She is the most arrogant person, besides Obama, and in an interview, stated that she has the RIGHT to anything this country has given her!! We have to end ALL THE HANDOUTS, but especially the ones to people that have NEVER contributed anything to our nation, illegal aliens.

    • Robert S

      The gov’t is letting this craziness go on hoping to start a Civil War so they can declare Martial Law.

      • http://GOGGLE vaksal

        To; Robert S,you hit the nail on the head dead center,civil war,what better way to abridge THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS,all the fools in congress let this happen,the dumocrats,pelosi,feinstien,liberman,and the AIPAC bunch and the RINOS that sold out this republic long ago,and it looks like they are pushing the north american union,and the amero dollar,by destorying the american dollar,these folks are no better than (NWO)agents,and should be voted out and tryed for treason,and all they own seized,its a lberal neo-com communist overthrow of this nation,and to boot they are taking or second admendment rights away every day,in california things are going badly,just lately,on dec 1st 2010 no more ammo can be bought from out of state and all ammo purchased in california,will be sent as record to the local police dept,to be kept as permanet record,what better way for knowing who has what weapons,to seize down the road,i smell martial law coming and the police state,and this place is going to the dogs,down hill,and not one person running for office is saying a word about all this,doesnt it seem strange? its the land of the deaf,dumb and blind when it comes to doing what the leagal american voter wants and that is to have justice,the criminals have more rights than we do.

      • Kate8

        I heard last night on the radio (C2C) that there is buzz about a major event being planned for November. I know how these rumors go, but the dems are scurrying to retain power after the election. I have concerns that they’ll pull something like this to squash the freedom movement.

        Everyone who looks to God: PRAY. Pray that any attempt against us will FAIL! “No weapons formed against you shall prosper.”

        Tension is high. Something is up. Please pray that God will thwart their efforts, whatever they are.

        And you libs, go ahead and laugh. I can live with that.

        • Kate8

          BTW, If you’ve been listening, the news has been warning us that ‘terrorist’ operatives have made it into our country, and they are ‘concerned’ that they have another 9/11 (or bigger) planned.

          How convenient for them.

        • KimM

          Kate8

          “We are twice armed if we fight with faith.”

          -Plato-

        • eddie47d

          Kate; Are you listening to FEAR radio FM 666?

      • 45caliber

        Robert:

        I’m very much afraid you are right. That’s why I always take a sharp look at anyone advocating an attack on Washington. And – interestingly enough – three that I’ve accused of being a government shill have disappeared from these columns. I think they are trying their best to encourage some small group of attacking Washington just for that reason. And I’m certain that is the main reason they don’t want our military pulled back to our own country.

      • Bluejacket

        The “war” should be over on November 3rd.

        It’s up to us.

    • Mick

      Joyce from Loris

      We have to end ALL THE HANDOUTS, but especially the ones to people that have NEVER contributed anything to our nation, illegal aliens.

      (((((((((((((((((((((((

      Joyce from Loris
      …..You’re right about that but we also have to end the hand outs which contributes to the lazyness of our nation and spoil the citizens of this country,,
      They are becoming acclimated to the freebies that when it comes time to restrain the spending for the sake of all others they will react just like in France and destroy everything in their path to get their way,, Not a pretty sight and a very good way to destroy a country from within..

      • Joyce from Loris

        I agree with you 1000%, Mick. It is sickening to get out there everyday, work my butt off, only to have my hard earned money FORCED from me, and then the government turns around and hands it to some idiot that doesn’t know how to do anything but lay up and have one baby after another. I can go off the deep end over this issue. We live in SC and just about HALF of our population is on some form of government “assistance”. I do believe that welfare must be ended, and let those people have the jobs that illegal aliens are doing now.

        • Mick

          Joyce from Loris says:
          October 20, 2010 at 10:53 am
          I agree with you 1000%, Mick. It is sickening to get out there everyday, work my butt off, only to have my hard earned money FORCED from me, and then the government turns around and hands it to some idiot that doesn’t know how to do anything but lay up and have one baby after another. I can go off the deep end over this issue. We live in SC and just about HALF of our population is on some form of government “assistance”. I do believe that welfare must be ended, and let those people have the jobs that illegal aliens are doing now.
          ********************************

          Joyce …

          I used to live in NC. so I know exactly what you mean.
          I realize that some people need some help at one time or another in their lives but Like the good old days we should go back to the powdered eggs, powdered milk, beans etc,,,ect,,,people would survive but wouldn’t want to stay on the welfare system…the ‘T ” bone steaks and luxuries have to go……..

    • 45caliber

      Joyce:

      I agree. And some of those dead beats are my cousins! One told me once, “You are stupid to work. You have to do what someone tells you to do five days a week. I can go fishing whenever I want and you pay me to do it!”

      • Joyce from Loris

        We all have those people in our families, 45. Pay attention to the new SNAP program, which is the NEW name for the food stamp program. Plus, in DC and 11 other states, they are now starting to provide DINNER at school for the poor children and their PARENTS. They provide breakfast, lunch and NOW dinner as well. Here is the stupid part. Those who are eligible must receive welfare. Well, doesn’t welfare come with FOOD STAMPS? And now, they don’t even have to bother to cook anymore!! Just run down to the tax payer funded school and get dinner!! It’s is madness. I grew up poor, before welfare was invented. My mom cooked a pot of dried beans, with some fatback meat, a little cornbread, and TA DA!! That was our ONE MEAL A DAY for the whole week. Yet, we survived without any handouts from the government or anyone else. Taught us to work hard and save our money.

        • 45caliber

          I know exactly what you mean by the beans! My family felt that if you got $100 a week you were rolling in wealth. You ate what was on the table without arguing because you knew that was all that was available. Possum and coon are both excellent if the cook knows how to cook them. And many other critters are too.

          • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

            Here in SE Az. there is food all around us, and all it cost me is the time and effort harvest it and to follow my grandparents and parents teachings. Have to get ready soon to go gather, Pinon nuts, acorn nuts, and some mesquite beans, sure love to make that “chee-weeche” it’s nurishing with cotton tail or jackrabbit.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            WIA,
            I hope I spell this right, but edduhhh likes it with pa-wah-nee!!

  • john

    I say we either build a wall similar to Chinas but also make it a military base(the worlds largest)..or else we invade them and annex them as part of the US.But why protect our borders how else will all those arab terrorists and Chinese spies get into the country undetected.

    • 45caliber

      john:

      Even if we invade them I do NOT want them in our country!! We have a Congressman here in Texas who has had a bill in Washington for over ten years now trying to incorporate them into the US because 90% of them make less than our poverty level. He wants to sign up all of them on Welfare. But I think we are going to have to invade to make a dent in the gangs there.

      • ValDM

        90% of them living below poverty? Ask yourself, if they’re taking that without paying ANY taxes on it, they’re making well ABOVE the poverty line. I’ve seen it with my own eyes in CA, OR and WA.

        • 45caliber

          Oh, I agree. What I meant was that 90% of those in Mexico were living below our poverty level. Of course, things cost a lot less down there too. And most here are definately taking welfare and every other thing they can find. They are told how by their own government before they come. Further they get TWO sets of ID papers. They work under one set and draw welfare under the other. Then every six months they change. At the end of the year they file two income tax forms, both showing they were on welfare for half the year. They get all their tax money back plus earned income credits, etc. so they don’t pay much either.

    • Vigilant

      john,

      We could save millions of $$$ by building a wall of lead, if you get my drift.

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      JOHN,the answer is the state dept lets them in,those folks are asleep at the job,some public servants,what a joke.

  • Santi

    The U.S. gov. is ltting this happen because they want to create choas. They want people to murder each other. Their understanding is that they want people on drugs, which someime creates steralizion in some instances. Remember that chaos is what they want. Ostupid just smiles at the question, doesn’t his smile look evil? Thanks Jeff that made my morning, let’s all pray for this nation and our leaders even if some of them don’t deserve it.

    • 45caliber

      I’m getting ill just seeing his face! But it seems like I see it just about everywhere now. A LOT more than I saw Bush – and I wasn’t too interested in seeing him. I would appreciate it if places like this one didn’t try to decorate their articles with pictures of him.

  • Santi

    Ment (letting)

  • Marilyn K

    This idea of Mexico and Canada open borders has been in the breeze for quite a while. Instead, each border State form their own legal protection and to devil with this One World Order crappola. Open borders is exactly another step in the direction of beginning One World Governance. I don’t care what political party anyone agrees with, Open U.S. borders are not acceptable. Ha! Americans, try to get into Mexico or any country without proper identification. It just will not happen without some kind of detainment. I remarried and had to change my name on my passport. I was pulled aside in Paris until they realized that the name change was documented on the back side page of my passport and I produced other means of identification.

    • Lewis Munn

      My passport got a coupe drops of rain on it and Malaysia was going to toss me in jail because their automated reader would not read thru water!

      Other countries mean business. We only go after to exclude those who are good and intelligent.

      I had a friend who has very high IQ, hard worker, college educated, but the IRS turned my friend down time after time They wanted $4000 cash in advance!

      Don’t hear of any under-educated Mexicans being held out for $4000 bribes!!

  • Billy Cooper

    MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT ARIZONA WOULD ASK FOR VOLUNTEERS TO COME HELP RID THEIR STATE OF THIS UNWANTED TRASH. I WOULD LOAD MY WEAPONS AND BE THERE IN A HEARTBEAT. ITS SO SAD TO ONLY BE ABLE TO SIT HERE AND WATCH THIS HAPPENING TO ARIZONA, AND THOSE SORRY BASTARDS IN WASHINGTON, DO NOTHING. OF COURSE, IF YOU HATE AMERICA AND WHAT IT HAS ALWAYS STOOD FOR, THEN THIS IS THE KIND OF HELP YOU CAN EXPECT. NAPOLITANO HAS LIED LIKE A RUG, ON HOW SAFE OUR BORDERS ARE, SO FOLKS AT LEAST WE CAN PRAY FOR ARIZONA AND THEIR LAW INFORCEMENT OFFICERS. BUT DONT EXPECT ANY HELP FROM OBAMA, HE IS TO BUSY COMPAINING,

  • lkar

    And please, everyone do not buy into the BS that MR Napalitano is pedaling (yes I meant MR as there is no way someone this ugly is a gal). If you do the simple math (492,000 illegals deported/11,000,000 illegals in the USA) the ICE and border security is an utter failure at less than 4.4% success rate. All I hear is how they have added manpower and are “effectively” going after Illegal criminals (which according to the law is all 11 million)and or border is more secure, blah, blah, blah.
    Then the state of AZ cannot enact SB1070 as it racially profiles Hispanics. Let me get this right, AZ is a state that is on the border with Mexico. Who do they think is coming across the border. I guess it must be those dam French and Swedish guys! Think about how everyone of us profiles some thing every single day. I look at someone driving a Mercedes Benz and immediately think, boy wish I had that kind of money. I do not know if the driver is rich or not, but I profiled him. Why? My observations have lead me to this conclusion. Now I am sure some liberal will try to tell me how wrong this example is because many different levels of income earners drive a Mercedes Benz. But the fact is the price of the car does not change and I know my income level cannot afford it. The point is, police in AZ have made thousands of observations and pretty much know who is in the USA illegally. But thanks to the current administration, they cannot do anything to help the federal government. This leads back to the miserly 4.4% success rate. Why in God’s name would the government actually want to be successful in anything that it does?

    First we must secure our borders. Militarily sounds like the last option and we about there.

    Second, immediate deportation of all illegal aliens. This means streamlining the process and paperwork. “Anchor babies” get to stay with their parents. That means if they have achieved legal status, congratulations. If they are illegal, you get to go with them.

    Third, the 14th amendment is correctly interpreted or changed to disallow citizenship if both parents are illegal aliens. If a baby is born in the USA from parents of illegal aliens, then the parents and the baby are deported WITHOUT a US birth certificate. I am not totally uncompassionate to the previous births that have US birth certificates. They get to keep them. However, see number 2 above.

    Fourth, we re-secure the border. Why the redudancy? Because someone in the government will probably screw it up from the point in number 1 above.

    • joe

      dig a 10 ft wide waterway between the borders. Take the dirt from that and raise New Orleans, Take the aligators that are eating people out of Florida and put them in the 10 ft wide waterway!!!! WIN WIN WIN

      • 45caliber

        Not really. The ‘gators would be so fat they would hardly move out of their tracks to catch another border crasher. And making animals fat is bad for their health.

    • Joyce from Loris

      Ikar, my brother in law is a police officer. Every time there is an issue or an arrest of an illegal alien, the police call ICE. They are then instructed to “let them go” because they are not on “the criminal list”. This is ridiculous! There have been several people killed in our state by illegal aliens driving drunk, no license, no insurance, no nothing! And the worst thing that happens to them is that they are placed in our posh prisons, to be housed and fed by the taxpayers.

      • lkar

        Joyce, I am friends with our county sheriff here in NC. He runs a 287g program designed to aid ICE in apprehending illegal criminals. This is a federal program! Since 2008 election his department has come under investigation for racila profiling. Guess who is demanding to see all the paperwork? ACLU. The sheriff is outraged that he and his department are battling an onslaught of illegal aliens muling drugs through our county and the ACLU and DOJ are investigating! The real reason he is under investigation is that he is a Repulican sheriff trying to make a difference in the illegal alien problem.

        • Joyce from Loris

          lkar, I was born in NC. There is a beautiful little town near Wilmington, called Burgaw. This is a very old town, with many wonderful replicas of days gone by, the way the South WAS. The mexicans started moving in, then came their families, their friends. It finally got so bad that the life long residents of Burgaw HAD to move. They were outnumbered. How terrible that these folks, who were decedents of the original founders, were forced out like that. Now, Burgaw is 80% mexican. And it is totally destroyed! It looks terrible, trash everywhere.

          • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

            Joyce from Loris, This Injun, is 75 winters, lived in Mexico in Raranuri Indian Country for ten years doing my Doctoral Research, “Indian Arts of the Americas” traveled through out Mexico and other Latin American Countries, many photos and VCRs. I can speak with some authority and tell you that the filth you speak of is very real, I do believe it is a cultural thing among most Mexican mestizos non-Indians, in most inter cities of Mexico there is a lack of proper sanitation and cleanliness, the Mexican government doesn’t give a damn about these people so they live in that lifestyle. There isn’t any excuse for this type of living behavior, however a very few try to clean up the mess whereas the larger masses just don’t care, period! The White Elite of Mexico have all the services and privileges, “Colonias Para los Ricos” mostly of European Caucasian extraction. You learn a lot about all that “Tacos, Frijoles,Enchiladas and all that jazz!” When it comes to the Tourist places, very well taken care of they belong to the wealthy and cartels..
            I left California after a 28 year career as an Associate Professorship and an Administrator ( Assistant Dean) of Student Support Services, Financial Aid, Counseling/Tutoring, etc. I witnessed the above description of Mexico in No. County San Diego, when we were slowly invaded by the illegals. Carlsbad, California, where we lived turned into a dump of trash, and our beaches were trashed out, homes being broken into, drug use increased, shootings and all of that crap. After ten years of this we decided to leave. We moved to SE Az. and in the two decades we have become the sieve of illegal entry, the drug cartels continue to grow across the line in Agua Prieta, Sonora Mexico, (Population over 100 K.) as well as teenage prostitution, human trafficking, corruption, vices and trashing of our environment, not to leave out their trashed out streets and Barrios. Just last week the Port of entry stopped a van full of school kids (Mexicans) that attend our schools, who have Az. addresses, yet live in A.P Sonora. One 14 year old had his back pack stuffed with two pounds of Marijuana, street valued at $20 K. This load was to be sold to our local children, primarily Jr. High and High School students.
            Our local WalMart, JCPenney and Safeway parking lots look like a trashville this is daily. These people have no respect for our Country and Republic because they have been indoctrinated by the Democrats of So. Arizona that they are “entitled”, you see, this used to belong to Mexico BS . Congresswoman Gabrielle Gifford, Raul Grijalva, Ed Pastor are their heros, Traitors to many of us. Tucson, Az. is now crying wolf because the illegals a causing crimes to increase, etc,etc just like Phoenix. Benson, Az East-way routes, Flagstaff, Az. North, South, East and West routes, for their “Business”.
            You want to buy a new baby? two Agua Prieta Doctors and two Lawyers will make the proper arrangements for 20 – 50K depending upon your ability to pay.
            I recommend that all of you, especially bleeding heart liberals, to read the book by Lee Morgan II, “The Reapers Line” a thirty year veterans of the Border Patrol, one hell of a biography and first hand experiences. Dr. Guillermo Carillo an old colleague said it best, Everything Mexican touch and control turns to Sh##, just look at any border city.
            I dedicate this statement to Eddie69d

          • Kate8

            WIA – I live in California, and I well know that what you say is true. I also have travelled through AZ several times over the years, and have seen the changes you describe.

            The illegals have only descended on my town in the last decade, creating dangerous neighborhoods where we never used to have such a thing.

            It’s criminal that our government not only does not protect us, but they show more privilege to the illegals than they do to citizens.

          • eddie47d

            WIA; Thanks for remembering me, I’m sure it was out of the kindness of your heart. I have always said go after the corporations who hire the illegals and tighten up the border. Beyond that I wish no harm to those who want a better life. If the corporations would have hired American workers much of this problem would have slowed down considerably. (I don’t kid myself for the need for immigrant workers like so many on this site do).This problem has been around for a hundred years and it’s not going to go away immediately. Certainly not with fascist deportations and physical threats.

  • Joey Biden

    Here are the poll results on the border issue.
    Obama – Traitor
    Holder – Traitor
    Napolitano – Traitor

    Let the trials begin

    • Mick

      Joey Biden says:
      October 20, 2010 at 10:46 am
      Here are the poll results on the border issue.
      Obama – Traitor
      Holder – Traitor
      Napolitano – Traitor

      Let the trials begin

      *****************************
      JOEY,,,If only America would work that way. we all would be better off and NO ONE would screw with us just like the good old days………..

    • a progressive nightmare

      Under the guidelines of Article IV Section-4, I think they should be placed on trail. What we need is to collectively CHALLENGE this issue before the Supreme Court and have the HIGH court rule on a VERY SIMPLE to understand article of the constitution. This is in fact an INVASION by a foreign power. Just because these illegals aren’t armed does not preclude them under the guidelines of the aforestated article.

      • 45caliber

        Actually your word “trail” caught my attention. I think what we should do is take the three of them to AZ, give them an unloaded rifle, and send them into the park. It would accomplish a couple of things. 1) we would be able to get the public upset enough to allow us to actually clean out that park area and 2) it would allow us to get new leaders. Further, it might actually get across to the rest that we really want to seal the border – one way or another.

    • Vigilant

      It’s too much to hope for, but wouldn’t it be nice if just ONE politician ran on a platform that advocated the following:

      The full resources of the Department of Justice will be brought to bear on the capturing, detainment and deportation of any illegal alien in the United States.

      The full resources of the Department of Justice will be brought to bear on the detection and prosecution of all persons who knowingly employ illegal aliens. A progressive scale of punishments will be used for successive infractions by the same employer, up to and including prohibitive fines, incarceration and loss of business.

      Effective at one minute after midnight, (pick a date), all sovereign lands of the United States which have been deemed unsafe due to occupation by non-US citizens will be placed under martial law. Failure to evacuate these areas will result in “shoot-on-sight” orders being issued to the military authorities.

      Federal laws will be amended to recognize that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution neither sponsors nor legitimizes the granting of citizenship to the children of illegal aliens born in the US.

      Failure to enforce existing Federal laws with respect to sanctuary cities, and failure of ICE to implement a system of detention and deportation will henceforth be deemed as impeachable offenses under the provisions of the US Constitution. Attorneys General of the United States will be removed from office upon presentation of evidence of the above failures, and presidents who willfully flout the law of the land will be subject to impeachment.

      Truth be told, I suspect that any politician who openly and clearly advocated the above would be elected by a landslide. But it’s just a dream of mine, I guess….

  • Questionauthority

    Leagalize the infernal weed

  • Raggs

    They ONLY way to stop this is to remove ALL in congress and the white house..

    America is dire need of a new begining, without the removal of the corrupted the vile and the greed in washington this nation will never be great again!!!!
    This nation belongs to US the people, not WE the government..
    The administration we have is hell bent on controlling us like we are cattle, in the meantime they could give a shit less about your personal saftey unless they can force a Marxist agenda down you throat.

    • 45caliber

      That is one reason they don’t want to give us safety. They WANT to force a Marxist government down our throats. And one way to do it is allow the criminals free range while promising to clean things up … IF you let us do this first.

      • KimM

        “This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector.” -Plato again

  • Dave from Ohio

    The injunctive ruling does not prevent officers from conducting their duty. The provision enjoined prevents:
    “requiring that an officer make a reasonable attempt to
    determine the immigration status of a person stopped,
    detained or arrested if there is a reasonable suspicion that the person is unlawfully present in the United States, and requiring verification of the immigration status of any person arrested prior to releasing that person”

    Although officers cannot be “required” to the action, it does not prevent them from the action.

  • dan

    You have to draw a line somewhere….and there has to be a limit to what we have to tolerate.
    Good comments/points/links…thanks to all for lifting my spirits.
    Seems a shame that we might have clean house the old fashioned way
    (some one fetch the rope and find a strong branched tree…)but I doubt Potus will go quietly into a bunker like Hitler.
    Maybe we could send in the TSA to protect the toads for the EPA…
    irradiate those wetbacks until they glow so we can easily identify
    and release back into the wilds of Mexico…

  • Carl T Johnson

    It is obvious that no one in government cares about our borders. I have emaild countless people in government about shock wave technology that would cost effectivly SEALL our borders and got no responses. I think the citizens of the us should seal the borders ourselves. We should set up a fund for that purpose and get people to install the system. To Hell with the global want to be’s to hell with the progressive paracitical global so called elite.

    • Joyce from Loris

      Carl, I have emailed every member of the House and the Senate, demanding that they uphold the Federal Immigration and nationality Act Section 8 USC 1324. This law prohibits ANYONE OR ANYTHING (like local governments) from harboring, employing, providing medical aid, providing food or even WATER to illegal aliens!! Our Federal Government is forcing/allowing our own state governments to BREAK OUR OWN LAWS. I demanded that they uphold the laws of our nation and our constitution. I have NEVER RECEIVED ANY REPLY from any of them, not even Jim DeMint!

      • Joyce from Loris

        And, I forgot to add, now the federal government is not just suing Arizona over the immigration issue, they are allowing OTHER COUNTRIES to sue one of our states as well!! Since when is it ANY BUSINESS of any other country what we do here in America?? I am as outraged over this as I am over the federal government’s lawsuit.

      • Pissed

        Joyce,have you considered the possibility that the person (s) screaning his mail maybe “unoficialy” censor it….It maybe thier loyalties lie elswhere!

      • Vigilant

        Joyce,

        I suspect they all have Spam filters that automatically delete any e-mail that has terms such as “illegal alien,” “border secuity” or “accountability.”

        For them, we are out of sight, out of mind.

  • Mark

    Time to take the matter into our own hands. Vests, no problem, armor piercing bullets will do just fine. Mid-mass snipers, end of problem. The next target, the fool, or fools, that continues to let it happen.

  • marvin

    talk is cheap, i an,t got a lot but i can donate to a good lawyer to file charges agins obama nepolitano and holder for dereliction of duty and treason,any taker on here to start fileing charges and set up a fund to pay, we gave millions to arizona ,we need to go after the head not the tail,obama, holder, nepolitano and any that have refused to up hold the law not just the ones thay want to and hell that may save millions in tax money we are paying for odumbo and his fat as- wife to get out and try rig the election,odumbo is post to be the president of all the people not just liberal dembocrats

    • Raggs

      You know… That not a bad idea…

      The idiot was sworn in to protect our boarders which he doesn’t give a rats ass about.

      I wonder if enough people could get together and oust the bum?

    • Joyce from Loris

      COUNT ME IN! I sent an email to Jan Brewer and offered my services as a border guard for one week, free of charge. Only condition was that I had to have the right to shoot to kill. Course, she never emailed me back ;o)

      • Lewis Munn

        Just remember our Imperial Majesty has set up the interception and censoring all telephone conversations and all e-mails and even this, to determine who is undesirable to keep alive in the country.

        Remember, it is all for your good!

  • Teresa

    The border situation has been going on for quite some time now. It is not only the mexicans that are crossing into our country it is the terrorist as well. After Obama took his case to the US against the gov. of AZ a former marine did a video showing the captured mexicans being escorted to the border only to cross the next morning with more drugs. The cameras were set in several areas and over a yr. he and another guy filmed this. An offical in AZ states that he has to turn reports into the homeland security office and ICE as to the capture and seizure of all arms, drugs and illegals around the border area…remember this is a national problem, not a state. Anyway, the reports were altered as to state that the number of illegals were less AND that the guns confinscated were American guns, which was totally false accordingly to the original reports. They altered the reports! Only theory I could possibly think of is to lie to public about numbers of illegals Really coming across border AND to instill fear on Americans about the Real threat of guns, which they are trying to take from US…don’t believe me…they have been pushing with the UN several times already by any means they can!

    • 45caliber

      This doesn’t surprise me a bit.

  • JeffH

    Well, well, it’s almost unanimous, other than Hflashinthepan who’s nothing more than a shill for the Marxist in charge we’re all in agreement on he illegal and secure the border problem. Too bad Congress, Senate, DOJ, DHS and the POTUS can’t see it this way. Oh, that’s right, it would interfere with their boses agenda…NWO!

  • Joey Biden

    Remember this. IF the government ever succeeds in disarming the citizens this country will fall like a prom dress. America will be shredded to pieces by the rabid dogs who are waiting outside the door right now. It is my belief that it is every citizens duty and responsibility to own at least one weapon and know how to use it. It could be the the deciding factor in whether America lives or dies. In our landscape today we must be prepared to protect our country and ourselves from enemies coming from outside and ones who are already here.

    • a progressive nightmare

      Hard to argue with those comments. Locked and loaded!

    • Teresa

      On September 27-28 members of 34 countries attended the Boston Symposium on the Arms Trade Treaty, held at the swanky Boston Park Plaza Hotel. The conference was organized by a group of young glassy eyed Obama worshippers. William Malzahn attended the meeting representing the U.S. Obama nominated Malzahn as U.S. Ambassador to the UN. He is one of the many staunch gun control proponents Obama has strong-armed into the UN Arms Trade Treaty negotiations.
      The UN wants to make all firearms subject to international law.
      The Arms Trade Treaty could:
      Prohibit firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public.
      Prohibit any transfer of firearm ownership.
      Require US citizens to deliver any banned firearms they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment.
      Require micro-stamping on all guns.
      Destruction of “excess” firearms.
      While people are distracted by the elections, the anti-gun zealots are scheming to bulldoze this treaty into international law. Your ability to protect your family could be annihilated at any moment. We need the help of patriots like you to stop the UN Arms Trade Treaty.
      The gun ban conspiracy is moving full steam ahead. Just last month, Obama nominated anti-gun fanatic and former Seattle Mayor, Greg Nichols, as an alternative representative to the UN. Since the beginning of his career, Nichols’s mission has been to strip law abiding American of their gun rights. He’s a founding member of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, an organization of city mayors that promotes tougher federal, state and local gun regulation.

      In sum, the fate of our Second Amendment Rights lays in the hands of the anti-gun nuts Obama has nominated to “represent” America at the UN Arms Trade Treaty negotiations. Even more shocking, Obama has already stacked the courts with radical justices who will strike down anyone who contests this assault on our freedom.

      • 45caliber

        I suspect that if/when this occurs there will be an uprising in the US. And if Oblama is stupid enough to call in UN troops to put down the uprising, it will get nasty quick.

      • Raggs

        I think obama is stupid enough to pour gasoline on a fire…
        The day after he was “elected” if you want to call it that, I purchased an AR15…

    • 45caliber

      Joey:

      Don’t forget the ammo!

      • a progressive nightmare

        Agreed….bring it on! Blue helments make a great target at a 1,000 meters.

      • Lewis Munn

        Around here the ammo shelves are empty; you cannot buy any ammo, not even for BB guns! Been close to 2 years now since they emptied.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Lewis Munn,
          come to Ohio, plenty here! Also look up the Sportsman Guide on the internet! They carry a fair selection!!

  • http://com i41

    Follow the Can-Am highway, it is the US 85 from Canada to Mexico. It has been promoted for decades. Goes right by Denver. In late 90′s several bus loads of illegals were sent back to Mexico, some of the ilegals were back in Denver before the buses got back. I have went to a domestic call years ago and arrested a Mexican, threating to kill his family, he had a pistol that was brought in from Hungry less than 2 weeks before, into New York. This was 200 miles south of the Can. border, when ICE was called the fed desk jockey wanted to know if he was a felon, hell we only knew he was from Mexico. Over the years when the feds get called, if you don’t have at a limit of at least 8, they don’t move or come and get them, so you get to let them go. If you are trapping or eleminating pests, you take 1 to as many as you can get at a time. When we catch illegals of any group muslims or mexicans sterilize them with massive amounts of radiation. It will keep them off of planes, when going thru check in. Either sex can get the illegal glow and shine treatment.

    • 45caliber

      If the government simply let it be known that any illegal would immediately get a shot to sterilize them (chemical neutering) we would have very little problem with illegals.

    • ParkedCapitalistPig

      I think they should be flown back to their country of origin and dropped back in by parachute. After that trip home, the idea of leaving home might not be so inviting.

  • knights templer

    Takes a sniper to find a sniper. Where do we sign up to defend our country?

  • Bruce

    Man, it is like Dodge City out there!

    Sheriff Babeau and his men are out manned and out gunned. They have all received death threats and what does that POS Socialist Eric Holder do? Holes up in D.C. and sues AZ! What a bunch of low rent scum.

    If I had the money, I would buy that department and their families armored SUVs and some Barrett .50 cal rifles to even the odds.

  • John D

    Okay, given the idea that we should be protecting our borders from armed invaders….
    Wait a minute, I’m no scholar but I think somewhere in our laws,
    we are obligated to defend this country & constitution against attack from within and outside.
    Right, now given that premise, instead of putting our snipers at risk. I would simply station 2 batteries of 155 self propelled howitzers on our side of the area. A couple of stealth surviellance drones to spot the armed insurrectionists. I will call in the co-ordinates myself, I was once artillery communications. Then we get a nice brigade of grunts to run security for the arty boys and cover their backs. Okay if you want to reduce the damage to the countryside use pop-guns, wait I mean 105′s.
    didn’t 9/11 teach our politicians anything!!!

  • Mutantone

    Place all welfare recipients on the border for one week tour, with surplus military arms, and a military adviser to assist groups of ten, and a reward for every illegal captured that will shut the border down.

    • 45caliber

      “… captured OR SHOT …”

      You forgot those two words.

  • http://com i41

    Just go down to Tuscon, we have plenty of A-10s, just needing some flying, and some people need flying time. They will barely get off the runway,and getting systems warned up, and the playground is right there. There is set up with mechanic areas, plenty of ordance to burn up, clean living and eating areas. That way our pilots are ready to go after the perv rag heads and or the targets can double as N. Koreans communists, did I say communists, well that would include democrats also, they would be bonus points.

  • Richard Lawrence

    Billy Cooper and Fellow Patriots -

    The Arizona Militia is already engaging the miscreants and invaders > http://www.arizonamilitia.com/

    Richard Lawrence in Florida

  • Hanshi

    In your retorts to HF, you guys are all wasting your time. You are attempting to use fact and logic to back up your arguments. Since the progressive stance is not based on those, you will not be successful in using them to refute their rant. Tell me, have you ever seen them not dance around the real issues with obfuscation. Actually it is hilarious reading to see how they side step and grin when confronted by truth. They are not new. Look back to the Tories who sided with the British against our early patriots when we wanted to form a nation. The progressives are direct decendents of those traitors;they continue the same anti American rhetoric and actions.

  • Raggs

    Is anyone familiar with the biblical Joseph?

    I think what we are seeing is history repeating itself.
    Joseph used famine to the benifit of his Pharaoh, Joseph used grain that the peole had grown as a tax and he stored it in bins for he knew bad times were on the wat… When bad times fell upon the people they begged the pharaoh for grain, the pharaoh told them ok you can have grain but you have to give me your money in return… This worked until the people had no more money to give… Again the people were hungry. The people then went to the pharaoh and asked can we have some grain we are hungry and in need… The pharaoh said yes, I will give you grain but you have to give me your livestock in return the people gladly gave… The next time the people were hungry they gave up their land…

    When this was all said and done the pharaoh owned everything, and the people depended on him for all of their needs….

    Does this sound a wee-bit like what we are seeing today?
    The only difference I see is that today the pharaoh is causing the famine on purpose “never let a good crisis go to waste” and if there is no crisis create one.

  • guyb

    Hello America, We spend billions of dollars protecting the borders of korea and many many nations and leave our own borders open…Isn’t our open border how obama got into this country from kenya??? Will we(THE AMERICAN PEOPLE) allow our elected officals to let the U.N. decide if Arizona can protect its borders or does AMERICANS want AMERICA to decide what is best for AMERICA???? We will not let obama or pelosi or anyone else get away with selling our nation out….. AMERICA—ITS time to take back our nation before obama and pelosi and there coronies completely sell us out….. Nov is coming….

    • Raggs

      I’m telling you… November will make no difference at all.
      Just keep that in mind…. You really need to see what obama is!

  • chuck b

    raggs

    you have it right. november is going to make little difference,we will not have enough conservatives to overide the communist libs. we will be short in the senate and that will lead to gridlock at the best.
    i don’t think we will ever get a large enough majority to do much of anything. mcconnell and boehner are already lining up with their demo buddies and we will be right back where it all started. we hear leaks thru the radio news of the republicans willing to embrace the demos and give them audience in all their committee’s, sounds just like the days of karl rove and bush.
    the only way we will ever get our country back is going to be by force. force the illegals out. cleaning up our voting precincts and making sure the voters are legal and this may have to be done by force. otherwise get out your rugs and start bowing to the 12th inman (barry)

    • Raggs

      Thank you Chuck..
      I’m not trying to be negative on everything but I do see the outcome for the followers of obama… I say that because they are blind.
      I can’t ask anyone to make a stand against tyranny, you have to do that for yourself.. however I can tell you how he will do it. All I know is that obama is something most people never thought they would see in their lifetime. It’s not because he is a so called “pres”, but much deeper… You have to ask yourself “WHAT” he is instead of who he is…. The who he is has been covered up by his menions, but the what he is is in plain sight and nobody can cover that up.

  • kilrntex

    There’s a group of veterans, active reserve and patriots training for this problem on the border. Trust me people, the border will be guarded whether it be by active military or militia. The problem is worse than you can imagine on the border. The ragheads are coming faster than the browns and I believe it’s a coordinated insurgency helped along by our POS prez and the dems. The “La Raza” from the south, the new black panthers, the Chinese and the ragheads from the Mid East are all wanting to take our country, but they can’t have it. It belongs to God and we are the keepers of the faith. God Bless America and the Christian race….whatever color you may be. The fate of the whole world rest in our hands.

    • S.C.Murf

      Yes and Jesus will have the last say in it.

      up the hill
      airborne

    • Raggs

      Ok but… The infiltration is from the inside..
      You can’t look at the gate for the answer, you can’t look at the guards of the gate for an answer.. If you go to guard a gate that has no answer, then you guard what?…No answer…

      There is always a solution to a problem, for each action there is an equal or greater reaction…

      The border being not sealed is an inaction, two negatives make a positive.

  • duane wood

    Any of you who want to fight, join us on the border. We’d love to have you,…… we who do and not just talk. Any where in Arizona will be just fine. We are near Douglas.

  • Greg Bell

    One President opened the doors for NAFTA to send our jobs to Mexico, and another President leaves the door open down there so drugs and Cartel killers can get in. Don`t forget an Invasion of non American`s
    to take more of our jobs from us.I had a relative there in Ariz. and he knows all this 1st hand. Is it not time to bring our troops back home from a war that we can not win, and defend our homeland. The Sheriff can`t get it done and his request for help gets no response. It looks almost like the Alamo all over again, or has everyone forgot that too.
    It`s way past time to WAKE UP and take positive action, or sit back and let it get worse. This is not a new issue down there. Our politicians in office can`t deal with it, maybe they should be unemployed too.

  • Raggs

    I think what most people are missing is this…
    We do not need the government, the government needs us.

  • http://SHTFAmerica Drake Pendragon

    OUR government wants to give 30 million latinos amnesty, make them “new Americans” and have them vote in a referendum to dissolve America into the North American Union.

    SHTF America: Illegal Immigration

    • JeffH

      Drake Pendragon, can I make a small correction…30 million illegals which is comprised of more than just Mexicans.

      • Raggs

        Yup let’s not forget obamas muslims…
        It is funny to see this retard point at any party that has funds from a resource that is indifferent than his agenda when he takes his funds from his daddies womb… Too many people have focused on the bastards mother’s womb negelting the true sore of his soul.

        • JeffH

          Raggs, very good point there. His daddy was a commie too as was his mommie

  • Claire

    Serious question here–if the Republicans do gain control, what do you think they will do about the illegals?

  • chuck b

    claire

    as i posted before, the republicans will not have enough majority in the congress to do much of anything, nothing in the senate, since they will still be a minority. this may be a godsend anyway for the country.
    the republicans will probably be able to stop some of the radical legislation, but, not much more. if they took both houses with large majorities they no doubt would get the country headed back in the right direction, but, if that would happen we would have barry back for another four years in 2012 and the country would still be walking on a fine line of socialism. we have too many illegals voting and too many minorities voting for the democrats, too much fraudulent voting.
    i’m very pessimistic about the future, i hope i’m wrong, but that’s the way i see it.

    • Claire

      chuck b — I agree with you.

  • Raggs

    How many people do what obama wants them too rather they know it or not?

    The machine tells most people what to think, or to not think at all.

  • Raggs

    What the hell is a “moderate muslim”? is that something like a raghead that only has an intention of killing 500 people instead of 5,000?…. What the crap is a moderate mexican?… A mexican that is scared of your gun’s?… What the hell is a moderate “president”?..
    A sorry POS that is afraid of both of the above!

  • chuck b

    a moderate muslim is one that believes in the qur’an, come to think about it so do the al qaeda and i believe they believe in what the qur’an teaches: “death to all infidels” and if you aren’t a muslim, most likely they are all out to erase you from this earth, “that’s what they call moderate.” a country at a time!!!

  • knights templer

    I wonder if Americans went to defend our border, carried arms to defend, fire after being fired upon would we be appreciated? Would we be welcomed by the local police and border patrol? Would we be arrested or honored as we should be? If the traitorist bastards in washington won’t help then the militia should work with the border service and police to help secure our borders. The only pause many of us have are we work for a living but have an obligation to protect our children, our country, our borders. We can’t be protecting our borders and be ducking the feds and local police. Meanwhile, the mexicans steal, which is nothing new, but they kidnap, murder, peddle drugs, plant land mines and slowly move the border taking land that is US property and are invading us slowly. Obama, Holder and the other SOB’s do nothing because it suits their agenda. They don’t care because their goal is to destroy America by allowing the mexicans and muslims to populate and work there way north. Who can we call or associate with to meet, plan, and organize to protect our land? How do we get ahold of the militia out there?

    • ChangingTimes

      If you try to enforce any law withour the attendence of and participation of law enforcement, you go straight to jail in the US. Trust me, I have tried it. Pointing a gun at someone is reckless endangerment. Firing a pellet gun in a person’s proximity is also reckless endangerment. Firing a real gun is attempted murder at the least. Unless you fear that your life is immediatly in danger, you no longer have the right to use deadly force on anyone in any circumstance. And, you best be able to prove that the danger was reasonable to some liberal judge.
      The fact that the country is and has been under de facto invasion by criminals and non criminals who will make life harder for you is not enough to go wet back hunting.

  • Vigilant

    Hflashman got no traction here,
    And so he ran away,
    To try his mindless Marxist tripe
    On those who bleat and bray.

    It takes a lot of compost, folks,
    To pile a heap so high;
    The lefties want to sell you some,
    They think it’s worth a try.

    But we of mind and body sound
    See writing on the wall;
    We see our Constitution hurt,
    But know it will not fall.

    The skunks and weasels in D.C.
    Are flailing all about,
    And come November 2nd, folks
    We’ll take the garbage out!

    • JeffH

      Vigilant, that needs to be published. Great job!

      • Vigilant

        Thanks Jeff! It was fun writing it.

        • JeffH

          Do you mind if I copy it and send it in some emails? I’ll sdit Flashs name out and insert liberal Marxist for effect.

          • Vigilant

            JeffH,

            Please do whatever you want with it, with my blessings.

  • Alex

    Deportation of illegal immigrants are UP ten per cent since President Obama showed the Bush Crime Family the door.

    You weirdo Fright Wingers make stuff up from whole cloth.

    Ignorant backwards inbred Teabaggers.

    • ChangingTimes

      Deportation or expatriation. Illegals have been leaving for home because of lack of work. If deportation is up 10%, that increase is not a cause for festive cellerbration because 10% or nearly nothing under Pres. Bush is not much. My main dislike of Pres. Bush was his immigration policy or lack of one. Also, he was very liberal and all that too.

  • Mick

    Alex says:
    October 21, 2010 at 1:01 am
    Deportation of illegal immigrants are UP ten per cent since President Obama showed the Bush Crime Family the door.

    You weirdo Fright Wingers make stuff up from whole cloth.

    Ignorant backwards inbred Teabaggers.
    *********************************************
    Alex…..Do you honestly believe that ???
    Although I think much more should have been done by the previous administrations to stop the flow of illegals entering our country Democrats are and always will be defending the law breakers foreign or domestic, with that in mind what makes you believe they’re actually deporting those specific law breakers. Another trick to deceive the public, the left is SO GOOD AT IT……….

    • eddie47d

      The Republicans are pretty darn good at deceiving also so let’s stick to the facts.

  • Jimi

    Time to move. The USA is done. It will either collapse or transform into a third world meso american peasant country, like much of California. Just read the census dept projections. This country is too cowardly to save itself.

    The fat senorita is about to sing…

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Jimi,
      move? NEVER!! This is my country and I will die here!!!

  • chuck b

    jimi

    so california goes so goes the nation. you hit it right on the head.
    just look at calif. look at the people they elect, that tells the tale and they are in the process of voting in the crack pot of all time “moonbeam brown” there’s no hope!! the fat senorita has already sang.

  • timmym

    I find it absolutely amazing that this SOCIALIST Administration prevents ALL forms of states defending their borders against the scourges of illegal immigration and even turning their own states over to the World human rights commission for human rights violations run by the likes of Cuba and Libya but at the same time covets California’s sanctuary cities like L.A. and San Francisco. We gotta get this scum out of Washington YESTERDAY !

  • Adam

    Gentlemen: I am approaching 60 and have little else to live for but my grandson and I will be “amned that he live in anything other than an America that “we” grew up with. All I can say is “where the hell so we sign up!!” to kick the Mexican “F”ers out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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