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In Defiance Of Federal Reform Bill, Florida Passes Healthcare Freedom Act

April 28, 2010 by  

In defiance of federal reform bill, Florida passes Healthcare Freedom ActIn an effort to blunt the impact of the sweeping healthcare reform passed by Congress and signed by President Obama late last month, the Florida legislature has passed an act that aims to protect the state’s healthcare system from interference.

Florida’s Healthcare Freedom Act (HJR 37/SJR 72), sponsored by Florida Representative Scott Plakon and Florida Senator Carey Baker, passed the House and Senate and will appear on the November ballot.

The legislation, which was inspired by the American Legislative Exchange Council’s Freedom of Choice in Healthcare Act, blocks a state or federal requirement for individuals to purchase health insurance.

"Protecting the individual freedom for people to make their own healthcare decisions is a priority," said ALEC health task force director Christie Herrera.

She added that "the amount of support from state legislators and policy makers for this legislation has been tremendous."

ALEC’s Freedom of Choice in Health Care Act has now been introduced or proposed in 42 states.

Meanwhile, Mississippi Representatives Alex Monsour and Steven Palazzo received preliminary approval to place their Healthcare Freedom Act on the 2011 or 2012 ballot.
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  • http://ow.ly/1AqF1 bittycell

    Under Health Care Reform, If you do not have medical insurance you can be penalized, but you can easily find medical insurance under $40 http://ow.ly/1AqF1

    • kwullen

      Are you insane? $40?? What, $40.00 per day?

      • John

        $40.00?

        $40.00 a day?
        $40.00 a week? What?

        If you are 5 years old, you MAY qualify for health insurance at $40.00 a week, restrictions apply, see 40 pages of fine print details. Bring your lawyer!

        Hey thats the free market system at its finest!

        • John

          Snake oil!

          Any takers?

          We don’t need laws against this sort of crime. Its a Free Market System!

    • Tom

      Hey, while all this is going on…..

      Does anyone notice that the Wall Street Reform Bill is being sidetracked?

      I mean Wall Street seriously needs some reform, unless you like getting screwed by Big Business. The Wall Streeters have done so much damage to America its not even funny. Its a real problem. Why are we not talking about this?

      Media censorship? Or is it the censorship of Personal Politics?

      Why are we not talking about it?

      This is important. Yet Even Bob Livingston is not covering it. We cannot live in a society where we all have to obey the law, but corporations do not.

      You want to fight a police state? Then fight the corporations that can do anything they want with no reguard to the law. I don’t want to live in an America where there is no distinction between large corporatins and government.

      In govenrment, we elect our representatives. In Corp America,,,,we do NOT. Yet these same people regulary buy immunity from prosecution with the very same bribary that makes Washington run.

      Its time to end it if you want to save your country.

      While psydo-conservatives debate illegal immigration, a more pressing hazard to America goes unaddressed.

      I have been saying for more than a year now, why hasn’t Pres Obama put through regulations to reign in the big banks that have caused so much damage to America, and were in large part responsible for the economic troubles that plauge every small and large business.

      Without regulations and laws that govern behavior, Corp America, specifically Banking America runs hog wild with no EFFECTIVE laws to restrain them.
      Kind of like Jessee James in the Wild West, with no real law to fear.

      Where were the regulations that would reign in the big banks that have caused so much damage in America? Where were the Changes??? He promised them!
      Or were we supposed to believe that Bush era policies that caused so much damage were to remain the status quo?

      I too believed in deregulation when it was first proposed during the Reagan Era. We were told Energy Deregulation would cause energy companies to compete against each other and that competition would result in LOWER ENERGY prices.

      LOL! Well as we all know, Degreulation only opened the door to Enron, and all the abuse that followed. Enron aside, are you happy now with your low energy utility bill? LOL!
      Do you think it fair that a handful of oil speculaters can hold an entire country hostage? And bleed the whole nation dry of its wealth? Especially in times of economic trouble when we need all the advantages to pull out?

      This is not in keeping with the spirit of “Ask what you can do for your country.” Its more in keeping with, “What can my country do for me?”

      Free market principals? LOL! Not when a handful of people or companies have cornered the market and fixed prices. Thats an Anti Trust Violation.

      But Immunity from prosecution is bought with campaign contributations and complex book keeping that baffels the best accountants.

      Its only gone up steadly since deregulation! LOL! What a scam. And it only could be accomplished by loosening the law.

      In a normal Free Market system, competition would result in lower prices. But what they NEVER told you in school, is that the free market has been cornered by a small group of corportaions, and those corporations control pricing dispite market demand.
      The law of Supply and Demand has been hijacked.

      This is of course an Anti Trust violation. Those in Washington in charge of prosecuting Anti Trust violations have been bought off and paid for.

      Thats the problem with our so called “Free Market System.”

      If I were a bank robber, and belonged to the Bank Robber’s Lobby, I too would lobby to have less regulation and law governing bank robbery. Wouldn’t you? Less laws to get in the way, less laws to penalize me.

      What President Obama has now done, is propose new regulation on Wall Street.

      What the Republican controled Senate has done is shoot it down, so that Congress cannot even debate it.

      Your Senate wants Wall Street to operate as business as usual. But we already know what problems this has caused. But the Senate does not seem to care.

      This is what I mean when I say, they are all on the take in Washington. Senate members are protecting the hand that feeds them.

      I have said it many times before….
      Political Idealogy will not save America.

      Honesty will.

      Know when to support something, and know when not to.

      I don’t care if you like Obama or not, regulating Wall Street is a very good idea, and it needs to be supported.

      Break free from old style party politics and do some good for once.

      The Democrats and Republicans are nothing more than the left and right arms of the same corrupt political system in Washington.

      Don’t support the Health Care reform bill as it sits, its a bad idea, but support wall Street Reform.

      Unless you happen to agree with all the abuse that has gone on in the past.

      Its far past the time to wake up.

      • Leslie Short

        I agree with you in part (only a small part). Wall Street needs to be reformed; but that should be in jurisdiction of the courts when charges are filed. Congress can probably stretch the “commerce” clause to do something, like they always do. But my question is… “What the hell is hidden in this bill that would have 41 Senators up in arms?” Is it one page of reform and 999 pages of unrelated BS?

        WHERE is the text of the bill? WHAT is the bill number? Let’s read the bill before we jump to conclusions.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Leslie,
          Very good and wise post. I also would not support this bill unless it has some reform in it for Fannie and Freddie!!! without it, we will have another housing collaps and repeat this burst!!!

        • Sue

          What has them all up in arms?
          It bites the hand that feeds them thats what. Our politicians don’t get payoffs from Wall Street just so Wall Street can turn around and get slapped with regulation.
          Special interest has ruined the 2 parties.

      • Patriot1776

        No Government reform will stop the decline of our dollar or the bubble and bust cycle until that reform is ending the centrally planned economics of the unconstitutional Federal Reserve. We need to re-instate Glass-Stegal which was repealed during the Clinton administraion. This was the beginning of the housing bubble, and was passed at the end of the great depression to avoid exactly what we are dealing with now. We need to stop pushing for everyone to own a home. Not everyone can afford one. Then we MUST phase out the Federal Reserve system of fiat currency and go back to a true gold standard combined with other precious metals to back our currency. That is REAL money. From 1776 to 1913 the dollar increased it’s value by 12%. From 1913 to 2010 the dollar has LOST 90% of it’s value. Why? The Federal Reserve. Created in 1913 with the unconstitutional Federal Reserve act. These are your true rulers and we owe all our debt to them. They print the money so the Government doesnt have to raise our taxes to give us the welfare state. Therefore, they can continue to steal our hard earned money and give it to others for votes and continued power! Thats the REAL problem.

        • JC

          Absolutely right! Everything else is a moot point.

      • Dennis

        Tom and the rest of you,
        Don’t kid yourself Wall Street didn’t do anything that Big Government didn’t allow them to do. Look at it this way >>>> GOVERNMENT + WALL STREET = NO REGUARD TO LAW. GOT IT

        • Tom

          I said we needed reform, I never said government wasn’t in bed with them.

    • 3rd worlder

      Don’t worry. It’s unconstitutional to require Americans to do anything.
      Just opt out for religious or personal reasons of which you don’t have to explain.
      This is what congress has done, which is why they won’t participate in this aweful healthcare program. By the way, that’s also the reason why they don’t pay social security taxes.
      Don’t bitch. Join them, either alone or get every state to do the same like Florida.

  • kwullen

    It is time for the states to all put the federal government back under Constitutional restraint.
    I don’t care if it’s George Bush dictating his desires to the entire nation, or Barack Obama doing the same.
    The founders understood the disparate desires and cultures of the American people, and those who would come to our shores in the future, and wrote an ingenious means for them all to get along and prosper. The more power special interest groups gain in DC and try to FORCE all to follow their rules, the more divided this nation will become.

    • LindyMaeUSA

      Polite correction:” . . . the more ENSLAVED and compliant we WILL become.” (aka: “Sheeple!”)

      • marvin

        LindyMay one more point why do you think s hoyer is trying get dc changed from a district to like a state, ansure 90 to 95% of the people that live in dc are democrats and rignt now have no rep in congress why are the dems try to get puerto rico to take state hood by saying they don,t having to learn english that is why they keep turning it down they don,t want to learn english am i the only one that smells a rat called democ rat

  • Randall

    Good for Florida. May all the States soon tell the “Feds” to take a giant leap!

    • Save America Susie

      Wahoo! Good for Them! I am EXCITED that 42 states are now considering the “Freedom of Choice in Health Care Act”!! Thanks you God! That’s what I’m talken’ about! “STATES RIGHTS”!

    • JC

      Go 10th Amendment GO!

  • Mike R

    $40.00 a month for a useless Discount card, maybe!

    $40.00 a month for real insurance and their neighbors pay the ballance of $560.00 per month, PROBABLY!!

    I love my neighbor but the Bible dosnt say support thy neighbor!

    • tom & elloise g.

      the problem is all related to the fact that obama dosent believe in the bible

      • Dave C.

        I truly believe Obama is the antiChrist.

        • http://huddiscrimination.bravehost.com Elizabeth

          You would be correct in your belief. The prophets of old predicted this with his exact discription. Norstadamas predictions especially. Years ago I read The Late Great Planet Earth and was mortified.
          States will have to ban together to save America.

          • LindyMaeUSA

            “States will have to ban together and PRAY CONSTANTLY to save America!”

        • Nancy

          I agree with you, Dave, I’m sad to say….I believe we are in the End Times as foretold in Revelations and this is the time of Tribulation.

          • John

            This is NOT the time of Tribulation!

            Believe me, you will know it when it happens. This is not it.
            You have had it too good for too long. There are homeless people who go through tribulations everyday.

            The very fact you have an active internet connection tells me you are not going through such a time.

            Why does this good site attract so many mindless Bible thumpers?
            I believe firmly in God, but….My God! Why does a belief in God have to be associated with sheer lunacy????

            Seriously you people do not do God’s work, when you bring down a mockery on His good name.
            Believing in things, {I have heard other Bible thumpers state this} such things as the Young Earth Theory, Obama is the Antichrist, that we are going through the Tribulation right now. Warping reality to make it fit you your own belief system.

            Know this: You do not know everything. Its ok to have unanswered questions.
            Stop trying to contort reality to fit your own narrow minded world view.

            And…Not you, but most of you people…stop attacking Muslims. This is America…It was FOUNDED ON RELIGIOUS CHOICE! Its THEIR choice.
            I can say this as a firm believer in Jesus Christ.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

            Suppose Obama is shot in the head in an assination attempt six months before the next presidential election. He makes a miraculous recovery from what people thought was a mortal wound and wins a second term as president because of a sympathy vote. But after the assination attempt and miraculous recovery, his personality changes and he shows his evil out-right by the tyranically oppression of the people and the killing of Jews and Christians that won’t support whatever he wants to instill upon them religiously wise. But before he can serve out his last year of his second term, the Lord returns and saves what is left of the rest of us. Does this scenario not meet the prophesy about the Anti-Christ and his 3 1/2 years reign of good, followed by 3 1/2 years of reign of terror? I’m not saying this is going to happen, but is it so far-fetched that you can say for sure that it won’t? The Lord said even the elect will be fooled in the last days.

          • John

            Yeah Randy…if that happens I will pay attention.

            But it has NOT happened.

            Anyone could say that about any leader. But it has NOT happened. If it does, then we should pay attention.
            But we shouldn’t sit around trying to contort reality to our own Biblical expectations of the world.

            No one knows when the End Times will come. Thats for sure. The Bible is your guide.

            Ask God to let you know when the Tribulations are coming. You cannot guess it yourselves, You ca only get a sense of when its time to pray.

            If what I am saying contradicts the Bible, then tell me so.

            Any Takers?

            Doubtful…

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

            John, I just gave you that scenario to show you that what Nancy was saying is a possibility and you can’t be sure it is not, as you claimed. Jesus berated his deciples for knowing the signs of the coming seasons and the signs of the coming weather, but not knowing the signs of the coming end times, which he then told them of the signs to watch for. All the signs that Jesus gave them are all happening now, at a more rapid frequency and larger scope then ever before in history. So wake up John and read the writing on the wall, and don’t mis-lead any of God’s people, on purpose or accidently, because He promised great consequence for anyone doing so, and you even profess not to know. So why tell Nancy that she is wrong, when she could be right, for you do not know one way or the other. Let poor Nancy prepare and she will end up much better off than you.

          • Tom

            I agree lot of things have fallen into place. But this is not the Tribulation. Not yet.
            If it were, you would not be wondering if it was. We may know the sequence of events, but theres no real way to tell the time line. You would have thought Nazi Germany was the Tribulation if you lived there.
            I understand The jews had not returned to their homeland yet, but I am saying a Tribulation of Biblical proportions will not be missed. Its been a lot worse than this before.

            Theres a whole lot of guilable people who see things that aren’t really there, believe nonsense. With holographic technology, I would be very careful to believe in a return of Christ unless you have been through real Hell first.
            I know the holographic technology exists within the military for purposes of psycological warfare. I know they can project images of Allah in the sky over Iraq. And tanks in the hills where there are none.

            For whatever purposes it may serve, a grand deception is not a technological impossibility. Use your imagination.
            Suckers who think we are in the Tribulation now, would be the first to fall for it.

        • John

          Dave C.
          Get a grip. He’s not the Antichrist.
          He is just someone who’s politics you do not agree with.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

            John, read my reply right above this blog.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

            Another reply for you John, just above this blog.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

            John, it is also not six months prior to the next presidential election yet, so we still have a year and a half before we know if that scenario may come true or not, but don’t bet against it for you may lose your eternal life and I guarantee you that its not worth it, so just wait and see instead of denying to anyone what may be God’s plan.

          • denniso

            Randy, you’re either delusional, a little kid, or a fool…tell us which it is…

          • Tom

            And read mine Randy

        • marvin

          dave c i don,t think obama is the anti christ but he is a power hungre anti american, and his name shell spell 666 and the two witness shell be stoned to death [enoc and elija] only two ever got of this world alive but must die in the end time but thats another bible truth. best keed your powderdry and lotts of it for now, for the day will come when the liberals like soro obama and the like can not be put in there place with words alone

      • obiwan

        Don’t give Atheists a bad name. BO attended Rev Wrights “church?”.

        • Save America Susie

          Obiwan, You can be an ATHEIST & still be a “good person”. Do good deeds, the whole bit. I have good friends who are Atheists. I just feel sad they have no place to go when they die. And no relationship with a loving God. That’s all…But Rev. Wright’s church was NOT a religious church as much as a social progressive vehicle for minority advancement. Most of his sermons were not about JESUS! They were about “How can we get the upperhand in America?”. That is why he said “G D America!” Why would he be talking about America in a sermon anyway, if he was preaching the Bible? He wouldn’t.

          • marvin

            Susie the acorn don,t fall far from the tree , that gave it life like ayers wright and acorn ,monkey do what monkey see and i still love what the liberal lady in her post on here said and obama and all his blackness and you wonder why racisim is alive and well is that something to brag about if bush had said half the stuped sh-t this moron we have now has said he would have been impeached

      • Earl, QUEENS, NY

        I agree with Tom and Elloise. Not only Obama, but also most other liberal democraps treat the Bible like they treat the Constitution – at least by ignoring the parts they don’t like. I.e., reading Matthew 18:6, I think they should fire that perverted ‘Safe Schools’ czar, and stop funding outfits like Planned Parenthood. The libs should also read Exodus 22:2 and Luke 22:36 before lashing out at our right to self defense and the 2nd Amendment. Likewise, why won’t Cleaver and other democraps read Luke 11:46 or Matthew 23:4, and demand that CONgress live under the same burdens which they impose on the rest of us? I.e., national hellcare. And paying the same burdensome taxes they impose on us, instead of being the tax cheats which many phony rich democraps are!!

    • Save America Susie

      You’ve got that right. Old Biblical Jewish law says: “He who will not work shall not eat.” Though I am sure they made exceptions for the infirm. Though I am sure they did good deeds for one another even in the old Bible days. But I know from looking at this, they were not responsible for someone who was not looking out for themselves.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        S A S,
        They weren’t responsible for the physical able from birth to death!!!

      • John

        SusieQ
        let me tell you something.
        I once found myself out of work. Laid off. A friend of mine offered that I come to work for him painting. I accepted. He had some rough contracts.
        One contract was refurbishing Section 8 apartments in Hartford CT.
        We rolled up in the truck and the lawn was littered in crack vials. There were gang bangers hanging out in the back parking lot.

        A lot of the stuff we cleaned out had to be dragged down to the dumpster where the gang bangers were. I would pile it up by the doorway, and take it down in the morning while the gang bangers were still sleeping it off.

        After some time, I had conversations with some of the residents. Most didn’t like the drugs being sold there, and didn’t like the gangs.

        In time I realized that these people were not scamming the system. Nobody living in those conditions was getting away with anything. Even an entry level low paying job would afford better living conditions than they had.

        After I got to know many of the residents, it became clear to me that many people do in fact have disabilities that are not easily seen with your eyes.

        No one would ever think to mock a man with no legs. No one would ever tell that man to “Get off your lazy ass and get moving!”

        Some people have disabilities in their minds. What ever the reason, some simply cannot get it together. It will take them all morning just to get themselves ready. I don’t understand it either, but its a fact.

        The cost to these types of people is they live in squalor. Roach infested apartments. Nobody is pulling a fast one on the system here.
        Take away the drugs, take away the alcohol, they are still the same dysfunctional people they started out as. Their problems led them to drugs and alcohol as a way to self medicate.

        Understand this: There is a range to human intelligence. It ranges from the stupid to the brilliant. This is just a fact.
        even the Bible states that the Poor will always be among us.
        So stop with the hate. There are things you are very fortunate not to understand.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          John,
          what you say might be true, but what about the able to work that sit on their lazy arse all day and CHOOSE not to work?? There are a good many of them, too!!

        • Save America Susie

          I NEVER said the word HATE…I can honestly say I feel hate for no one. You read too much into those few words I said. I see that some normal people are too “Co-Dependant” & they need to get started with their OWN lives. Whole books are written on this subject. Its not healthy. They will never be independent if someone is “enabling” them. I am OK about someone who has brain disorders receiving some help, and I AGREE that many self medicate–because they don’t know what is wrong with them. My own brother has BI-POLAR DISORDER, and must take legal meds to balance his brain chemistry. I UNDERSTAND that. He is recovered alcoholic as well. Has been sober for 15 years. I am proud of his efforts. So I have been around the block believe me, and bent over backwards to help this man, WHEN he cannot help himself, WHEN he is in dark depression. That is a mental disorder, just as VALID as physical illness or someone in a wheel chair. I am NOT talking about those people. But what I am talking baout is functional people who just want to USE YOU….There is a difference!

          • Tom

            NORMAL healthy functional people don’t want to live in squallor. They could do a whole lot better with even a low paying job.

            Menally healthy people want to work. They don’t like feeling useless.

            They very fact that some of them come off as pulling a fast one on the system tells me there is something very wrong with them.

            I do understand what you are saying. There are slackers who just want to hang out. At least for a while. I know what you are saying.
            I just think a lot of mental health problem don’t even get recognised, or else someone is quick to pass judgement and just write them off as lazy. I have seen it first hand. Unable to make a decision, excessive fear, ect. What do you do with those people?

            Its just something we have to deal with.

          • Save America Susie

            Yes, Tom I hear you…that is difficult to know, & sadly some people fall through the cracks. But sooner or later the people around them recognize whether they are truly ill or just using phoneys. Probably most of the people on the streets are mentally ill and need help, but when you suggest they come in to live inside a home, and live a regular life with help, many end up back on the streets. They prefer living under the bridge with their street buddies. Its been done. Even Liberal Oprah did a show on it once, which I watched when I was still watching her shows. (Have since stopped watching.) Check out some of her archives by topic….Sad, Surprising and Shocking stuff!

      • Earl, QUEENS, NY

        I agree with you, Save America Susie. It’s one thing to have a safety net, and we should help those who cannot help themselves. But I also have been taught that according to the Bible, the able-bodied who CAN work MUST work. Therefore, there is no justification in confiscating wealth from those who are productive, and giving money to drones or those who just want to rely on government for survival. Likewise, there’s no justifiable reason for responsible productive people to have to bail out the irresponsible deadbeat home buyers who presumably went in over their heads. You’re right!!

        • Save America Susie

          Earl, Yes, it seems that way to me too….that someone grabbing our money without our consent is valueing the less fortunate more. They have more rights than we do. But I say, Forced Charity is not Charity–its Government Robbery. Charity can only be Charity if it is Voluntary. I am a very GENEROUS person, but not when someone tells me I have to be!

          …Thanks for your comment.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    Once Obama gets enough of his Marxist friends in the Supreme Court, nothing matters anymore! I’m waiting for the Supreme Court to rule on making it “illegal” to enforce legality(Immigration laws)! Then, we “legally” can be called a “lawless society” by Yahweh too!

    • John

      Victor…
      It must be so nice to know everything.

      I agree Illegal Immigration needs to be enforced.

      After 8 years of Bush, why wasn’t anything done?

      I’ll tell you. Because the underlying problem of illegal immigration has not been addressed.
      Do you seriously think that Mexicans would rather live in the US than Mexico?
      They would not.

      They come here because many, especially farm workers have found themselves out of a job.

      NAFTA a Republican pushed Trade Agreement, has dumped tons of US government subsidized corn and ag products onto the Mexican market. This has caused job losses in Mexico.

      Since they perceive an increase in US production, they come here to look for work as experienced farm workers. They take what they can get. many times they are exploited. They leave their wives and families back in Mexico and send money back home to support their families. Not the ideal life for them. Its fraught with hardships.

      NAFTA is why they come.

      Want to cut down on illegal immigration? Then take away their reasons for coming here to the US in the first place. That will take a huge burden off law enforcement.

      When you spend your life learning a trade or skill, its not so easy to find work in time to support you family when you have no other skills.

      I’ll say it again, the US government is at the heart of all America’s problems. Stupid laws, insane trade agreements, you name it.

      Stop being such Republicans. Start thinking for yourselves. Your parties do not represent you. They represent the large corporations that give them the campaign cash to get elected. They don’t represent you.
      But it is you who has to deal with the fallout, it is you, who has to deal with the break ins, it is you who has to deal with getting your car hit by someone with no license, no registration, and no insurance. I have dealt with all that.
      Our 2 parties in Washington cause all our problems. It is up to YOU to get rid of them bOTH and set America on the right course.

      • George E

        John,

        You’re making a lot of good points. However, I’ll add to your list of reasons the illegal immigration problem hasn’t been solved so far. To start with, neither political party has wanted to spend the money required to secure our borders. They each have there reasons, but they haven’t done it. Republicans have tended to favor allowing migrant workers into the country for a long time to take advantage of the cheap labor, but US labor laws have interfered with doing this legally. Also, Democrats count on these immigrants coming into the country and staying (partly because we make it difficult for them to legally cross the border to go home), so they can make these illegal immigrants US citizens and Democrat voters.

        • John

          GFeorge…
          I couldn’t agree with you more.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

        Something was being done under Bush, but all was stopped by Obama. He wants all the illegals he can get into the country from the south so his court appointees can legalize them and he may then have enough votes to keep from being thrown out of office in the next presidential election. I’ll bet all 9 1/2 millon of the estimated illegal aliens from the latino countries will be given citizenship freely before the 2012 general election. Time will tell and then you’ll know why this travesty has happened. If not through the courts, then through the Democraticly controlled Congress. Thats why Obama told Pelosi and Reid to put everything else aside and work on an immigration solution before anything else. He’s using the Arizona law as an excuse, but the truth is he needs to get it done before the November election when everyone knows the Democrats will lose their majority in both houses because of Obamacare they crammed down the public’s throats, that the majority of the people didn’t want and they know it.

        • John

          Randy…
          As you put it…an immigration solution.

          A solution to the problem.

          The problem is why they want to come here in the first place,

          Not saying Obama is going to undo NAFTA…wish he would…

          But I think they are looking at other solutions.

          You can’t just round everyone up you don’t like and get rid of them!

          I think Obama is looking at the nature of the problem, and trying to find HUMANE solutions. These Mexicans are here because of NAFTA related job losses. They are here to do honest work. You can’t exactly throw someone in prison because they hop the border illegally so they can find work to support their familys. Thats Nazi Crap.

          Stop being such republicans and start being more Independents. Stop taking Republican or Democratic views hook line or sinker.

          Support good deeds where you find them. Either party. Reject the rest…either party.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            John,
            i take it you don’t know too many skilled workers that are laid off, do you? go to New Orleans and try to get work as a dry waller, painter, carpenter, or construction worker. The illegals have moved into there and are taking jobs away from american workers. don’t give me this kindness bull it ain’t holding water!!!

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

            John, its easy to see you don’t live around the illegal aliens or the areas they come through to get here, for whatever reasons. But those who do are now not waiting on the federal government to protect them from these illegals or to enforce our laws regarding letting them stay when found or even trying to find them when they get here, but are taking the problems into their own hands and solving them by passing laws that give them the right to protect themselves from all the problems these illegals are causing, which you neither know or care about, because it apparently is not affecting your life, but only those who are now doing something about it. Yous is a typical liberal view, do nothing about a problem that does not affect you personally but be lenient and the problem willtake care of itself and go away. How naive John, just stay out of the way of those who wish to protect their life, property and freedom, because these illegal aliens are effecting all three of these for American citizens who live where these illegals live.

          • Tom

            You are wrong Randy, I worked in a major city and dealt with illegals all the time. One of them even hit my car and thought he was gonna take off.

            I think the best solution is to take away their reasons for coming here in the first place rather than build some giant Border Wall and patrol it with armed guards.
            You said Bush was doing something about it but Obama stopped it. Well Bush had 8 years, when did he start this project that was so easily undone by Obama? Doens’t sound like Bush got very far.

            We as Americans don’t like cheap Chinese imports wrecking our economy by putting American manufacturors out of business, why are we so ok to wreck sections of the Mexican economy? We should practice what we preach.

            I want all illegals gone too. And I even want the flow of legal imigrants from third world countries stopped.

            If you think blocking them is the way to go then your swimming against the current.
            I think the better solution to to get them to not want to even come here.

      • marvin

        john about 5 years ago my bro went to mexico to help set up a filter factory for the company he is working for the mexican factory is closed now this company makes auto and truck filters sold under dif names like ford champion delco purolator and lots more a non union plant care to try and guess why this mexican filter plant is closed

      • http://?? Joe H.

        John,
        I don’t know if you will ever see this, but the answer to your question is YES, there are many Mexicans that would rather live here than Mexico. Reasons are many but a few are; jobs, health care, free food, education, all kinds of freebies!!! Not to mention the drug gang violence there, the restrictive way of life in Mexico, a government that’s even more crooked than ours.

      • blamesomeoneelse

        Dear John, seeing that you must not have been living when President Clinton pushed nafta in, he was and is a democrate. During the elections for president Ross perot ran and said ” hear that sucking sound that is jobs going out of the u.s.” I wonder if many people that respond to these articals check on the truth or just go on what a buddy or the media say. John please check your information and use true statements to back up your arguments.

        Our government is there for themselve, why do you think they want to keep running for office? Why do they make it so hard for anyone else to run against them. You may think you can vote in who you want, but that is not true, they have to fill out forms and jump throught so many hoops that they have to have party (dem or repub) backing in order to get on the ballet. Check it out, you would not be able to run! Besides you would have to have major amounts of money.

  • Barb

    Our governor just did the same basic thing yesterday, saying no thank you to at least a couple of portions of the so called law. Let’s hope there are more states out there with the guts and the savvy to do the same! The more we irritate that SOB and his mob the better I like it!

  • FlaJim

    More states need to become more proactive in protecting their and their citizen’s Amendment X rights against federal intrusion.

    One thing the Dem socialists didn’t take into consideration when passing this healthcare monstrosity is that we’re far more well informed than when they last pulled the wool over the eyes of our grandparents in the 30s. Hence the TEA party movement. That’s why they’re so flummoxed when we won’t just take their word that this is best course, “trust us.” We’ve been betrayed and swindled by too many DC snake oil salesmen to accept that assurance any more.

    November is coming and they’ll pay the price for their mendacity.

  • thefedupamerican

    Next we should take on the 16th Amendment as well. Time to put the Federal Government back in it’s Constitutional Place. http://www.thefedupamerican.com

  • Ric….IL

    Lets all face the fact, the so called health care bill, “is not”. It is a massive document for the Federal Government to make this a “SOCIALIST” country, with the feds in charge of “EVERYTHING”. You can kiss the “CONSTITUTION” good bye, along with your freedoms and your money.

    • John

      Weren’t you worried when Pres Bush enacted the Patriot Act?
      It too shredded the Constitution. Where were you?

      Its just so funny to hear complaints about the Constitution NOW. When it was being undermined for 8 years, while the Bible Thumpers cheered him on, thinking he was their man. Bush was an Evangelical, thats all they needed to know.

      What Bush really was was an Evangelical, anti Constitutionalist. His history is testimony to it.

      I keep saying this………..
      Neither party represents Americans.
      BOTH parties represent special interest, and government power.

      The Bible is NOT connected to US politics!

      The Bible is an individual awakening. You do not belong joining hands with a corrupt government. You stay above it….by doing the right thing!

      Wake up!
      MY GOD!

      • marvin

        john bush is not in office now hate to tell this but he has been out of office for a year and half did i agree with bush on ever thing hell no but the same note i don,t agree with obama if you told me to set down and shut up or if you disagree with me i will get in your face or you are misguided or we need 17000 more I R S agents to enforce the great health care bill that will save billion.s so don,t try to blame bush for the mistakes miscues and flat out lies of this moron in office now bush was a peyon compared to obama on all levels

  • Dale

    Well maybe China will cut us off. That will end all of this crap.

    • obiwan

      Wishful thinking. They won’t pass up a chance to “own” us.

  • jdalabama

    You better hope China doesn’t cut us off. But thankfully they still need us more than we need them

    • http://?? Joe H.

      jdalabama,
      I hope they do!! the borrowing and spending HAS to stop sometime soon!!! If it doesn’t, you are going to see a depression that will make the great one look like a small hump in the ticker tape!!!

  • http://N/A Grace

    States Rights must be asserted.

    It seems to me that the only chance we have of restoring our freedom is enacting “States Rights” legislation. However, I do think the states are going to have to figure out a way to defend themselves against the military action that this administration may very well take against them.

    See Health Care Ready Reserves:A Domestic Army that is paid for via our tax dollars as per the clause slipped into the HC mandate. They have full power to enforce military actions against Americans that don’t comply with the HC mandate.

    Go to http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/about/ for more details about States Rights. Example/Health Care Nullification: Idaho, Utah, Virginia have already enacted States Rights legislation. Arizona and Florida citiznes will vote for and/or against the mandate in Novemeber. This is the web site to go to for “States Rights” information.

    • marvin

      grace the gov of the states can call out are national guard, and us stuped[ god and gun lovers]a liberal comment ,won,t go down easy look up ruby ridge and waco texas see how liberal love there fellow man, they shoot first armed or not then pay of the survivor if any they will kill your dogs your wife and kids and you what a great bunch of freedom lovers like j reno that looked and acted like j napoltano this piece of liberal pupu don,t even know that it is illegal to be here undocumented don,t ever think that her and holder and obama won,t do what j reno done for better good of the liberal party

  • Jo

    Alright FLORIDA! One state at a time is what it is going to take to get this country back. I hope Illinois is one of those that will be on this. COME ON ILLINOIS WAKE UP!

    • Save America Susie

      Unfortunately, Chicago is in Illinois. One of the most corrupt cities in America–government wise. Maybe the people themselves are ready however, if they are fed-up enough.

      • Leslie Short

        Sue,
        Yep, you got Chicago and we in Ohio have Toledo. During Dem. Carty FINKbeiner’s reign, he tried to copy Chicago as much as he could. But then, we also have Cleveland, Akron, Youngstown, Columbus, Cincinnati, and Dayton. Any wonder why 7 counties represented by these cities outweighed the other 81 counties and gave our electoral votes to Obummer?

        Les

  • One…..Fl

    This has been on my mind for too long. I knew Obama was trouble when Oprah endorsed him. There’s a reason why she got so popular giving stuff away on her show and in my opinion, it was all in their game plan. Obama came out of left field and won the election. The CHANGE to me is from a Christian nation to whatever and I’m just grateful I didn’t vote for him. Isn’t it funny she decides to quit her show right after the election and now wants to go around the world as a newscaster probably trying to gain the world for Obama. I don’t trust her or him. Her having Tyler Perry, T.D Jakes, etc. on her show, to me, was all a front. Obama has too much control and what I want to know is, WHY? Why isn’t someone impeaching him. Why is he being allowed to get away with so much. Their is only One King and it’s not Obama. Maybe it’s just my wild imagination??? The silent majority.

    • Save America Susie

      One, It’s NOT your imagination. BO has so much power because he is a figurehead and a good speaker. There are others behind him who are really running the show. People we don’t even see, behind the scenes. Read “Shadows of Powers” by James Perloff. We’re in for a fight at the ballot box!

      • John

        Sounds just like GWB.

        Although I wouldn’t be so sure our ballot bos is so secure.

      • John

        Ok SusieQ…Whos behind Obama?

        Not saying there isn’t some power behind him.

        But who?

        Do you think that power actually relys on the American voter to decide if he can enforce their adgenda? Thats almost laughable.

        No these people have rigged the game.

        They bet on BOTH sides.

        They funnel campaign contributions into both parties to achieve their ends.

        Not uncommon to learn that GM for instance, has donated to both parties.

        Do you think International Bankers are not savy to that technique?

        Get a clue.

        When election time comes around…
        We are given a choice of either 2 of their preferred candidates. Democrat or Republican.

        The sooner you realize that…the better off you will be.

        Start thinking on your own.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          John,
          Who’s behind Obummer?? tops on my list is Soros!!!

          • JeffH

            Joe H., no question about Soros…Soros is in bed with an even bigger fish, Rothschild. I’m not sure who the last honest preident was. Most have been chosen by the very few elites manipulating the worlds economics. They manipulate the media, the election process and have paid huge amounts for the support of our elected class in Washington. It is very important that America loses it’s economic freedom and is turned into 3rd world status nation. A New World Order cannot be successful as long as America remains the leader of the free world.

          • JC

            If you can figure out who owns the Fed, you’ll figure out who’s behind all of the anti-American / anti-Freedom agenda. End the Fed!

          • Save America Susie

            I AGREE JOE H…From all I have read, sounds very plausible! Of course, one never knows as one is not in the midst of these guys. It is extremely strong circumstantial evidence though (and maybe much more). Like 2 + 2 = 4. It all adds up. Like Sherlock Holmes, we must add up the clues to solve this. Good points JeffH and JC.

            JOHN,As far as what you have said,I would just LOVE it, if AMERICA could have a real president who stands on his own. Has his own convictions, is not someone else’s puppet, and has earned the right to be President. This guy was carried along all the way to the White House by others who may have been more qualified. BO suddenly started campaigning when he had not been in the Federal SENATE much more than a 100 days. I would have voted for COLIN POWELL if he had run–as he had earned it with a long career of service to his country–but I was VERY disappointed that COLIN too “caved” at the last minute and abandoned McCain, & left him twisting in the wind. “Eh Tu Brute?” Many seemed to have drop like flies toward the end and I am just wondering WHY….Believe me I AM thinking….The wheels are always turning. I want my President to EARN his position BEFORE he gets there, not TRY afterward. I want people to actually accomplish a specific thing of merit before they win the NOBEL PRIZE. Not just get it for “good intentions”. I was not a fan of Jimmy Carter, but at least he EARNED his Nobel Prize by arranging the Peace Accord between Egypt and Israel. It still stands today. Anyone can give speeches and they do….I am just a big fan of earning things. Thats all.

    • Michelle

      I’ve had similar thoughts – why is Obama and this administration allowed to break so many of the laws and the constitution with NO RECOURSE! If this was any other president the media would be all over it. But they say nothing. The silent majority though isn’t so silent any longer – they are now the base of the Tea Party. The problem is the government is still not listening, ignoring the will of the people and moving on with their own agenda. They are on a mission to destroy this country.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Michelle,
        The “tell” will be in November. If the dems aren’t voted out one of two things has happened. either the people have become ignorant or the ballot box has been stolen!!! Either one terrorizes the mind!!!

    • JLC

      Hi One — The reason that our wannabe Lord and Master has not yet been impeached lies in the Congress. Articles of Impeachment must originate in the House of Representatives, and then be tried before the Senate. Obviously, this will require, at the very least, a majority in both houses. Wait until November — our chance is coming.

      • John

        You would not impeach GW Bush for the Patriot Act?

        It shreds the Constitution also.

        You would trade Liberty for safety?

        And you call yourself an American.

        The Republic is lost to ignorance.

        • marvin

          john are you and american liberal kin you both are out of obama liberal loving mind

        • JLC

          John, GW Bush and the Patriot were not a part of the question to which I responded. Since GW Bush is no longer president, it would be a little difficult to impeach him. Yes, I DO call myself an American and I wore the uniform of this country for 4 years, in WWII. Furthermore, if one of your ancestors was aboard the Santa María when Cristobal Colón landed in the “New World,” one of mine was already here to meet him!

        • JeffH

          John, we see the liberal spin doctors all of the time and most everyone is wise to the Alinsky tactics used. Keep pushing the buttons to nowhere. No ones buyin into your retreads.

        • JC

          Absolutely! GWB should have been impeached for the Patriot Act alone.
          And I’m no Liberal…just a freedom loving American.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    Lawyer has read the ENTIRE health care bill – his comments -

    The Truth About the Health Care Bills – Michael Connelly, Ret. Constitutional Attorney

    Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

    To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

    The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government.

    However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

    The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own.

    The irony is that the Congress doesn’t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with! I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

    This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, of all of your personal healthcare direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide…

    If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn’t work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.

    So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much, out the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law It doesn’t stop there though.

    The 9th Amendment that provides: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;

    The 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.

    I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights… Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to “be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution.” If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it, without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.

    For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source, the US Constitution, and Bill of Rights. There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.

    Michael Connelly
    Retired attorney,
    Constitutional Law Instructor
    Carrollton , Texas

    AFTER HAVING READ THIS, PLEASE FORWARD….

    If you don’t care about our constitution, or your rights under it, just do nothing.

    WE MUST HOLD CONGRESS ACCOUNTABLE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.

    • Jim Keller

      James A Graham: Re: Obamacare. This is one of the best analysis related to the U. S. Constitution I have seen. I agree with your comments and hope enough of the Americans in our country relize the impact of Obmabacare will be to our society. It is a must that we vote out the corrupt people in Washington including progressive socialist Obama and socialist members in congress and Obama’s czars before any more damage is done. Keep up the message to all Americans.

    • Save America Susie

      Awesome!

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    George Soros, Open Society, Shadow Party
    2008 Market Crash Should be Investigated
    By Jeff Lukens Wednesday, April 7, 2010

    Almost two years after the mortgage crisis and stock market crash, no one seems to wonder about the “September surprise” that shifted the 2008 presidential election to an unknown leftist politician who had been elected to the Senate only two years before. A pulp-fiction writer could hardly have created a more contrived and bizarre story. But this was not make-believe. No, it is now our own gritty reality show that we only wish we could turn off.

    The week of Sept. 15, 2008, was a debacle of huge proportions. On Monday, Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy while other lending institutions lined up like dominoes teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. But the week was hardly over. On Thursday, an electronic run on the banks occurred. In an unprecedented move, the Treasury and the Federal Reserve had to act together to stop what had become a full-fledged panic. On Saturday, Sept. 20, The Wall Street Journal recounted events of that previous Thursday:

    “Instead of lining up at bank windows, investors were unloading financial assets on their PCs. Credit markets had seized up, to the point that even routine daily settlements had stopped until banks had the actual securities or cash in hand.”

    “Investors were rushing out of these [Treasury and Federal Reserve] funds—$105 billion out of $1.8 trillion on Thursday alone—which in turn caused the funds to redeem their commercial paper investments.”

    “Issuers of that paper then had to find new funders, which in a pinch are banks. But jittery banks were refusing to accept paper from even worthy companies amid the panic, creating a larger credit breakdown. In response, Treasury will now insure nonbank money-market fund deposits for the next year, to slow money-fund redemptions.”

    For such a large and coordinated exodus of funds to occur in U.S. markets, something more than individual “investors” at their PCs had to be in play. Large and well-managed hedge and mutual funds were undoubtedly behind much of the move.

    A few months later on a C-Span interview, Rep. Paul Kanjorski, House Capital Markets Subcommittee Chair, described that day:

    “On Thursday at about 11 o’clock in the morning the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous drawdown of money market accounts in the United States , to the tune of $550 billion was being drawn out in a matter of an hour or two. The Treasury opened up its window to help. It pumped $105 billion in the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide; we were having an electronic run on the banks. They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn’t be further panic out there.”

    The $550 Billion withdrawn in an hour or two that Rep. Kanjorski refers to in his statement has never been independently confirmed or refuted.

    In mid-September, John McCain was ahead of Barack Obama in some polls by about 3 percent. By Oct. 10, the S&P 500 Index had lost 25% of its value from what it had been a month before. The crash was a major calamity for the McCain Campaign. And now, with Obama in the White House, it has become a calamity for us all.

    The fact remains that the identities of those who withdrew their money that week were never disclosed. And, knowingly or not, they created a panic that altered the course of the election. One can only wonder whether something more than normal market forces was at work.

    Courtesy of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, the crisis came about by the uncertain value of subprime securities held by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, banks, saving and loans, and other lending institutions. A declining market in itself is not noteworthy, but to induce a panic in the midst of a presidential campaign, if ever proven, would be reprehensible and an outrage to the American electorate.

    While the stock market collapse was a disaster for your average IRA or 401(k) account, some investors benefited handsomely. It is widely agreed that hedge funds profited by selling short the collapsing market in 2008, and chief among them was George Soros’ hedge fund. Soros may have personally had the motivation, method, and opportunity to trigger the crash.

    Soros’ overseas-based hedge fund evades much scrutiny, and its activities that week left almost no trail. Could Soros and his hedge fund be behind many of the withdrawals of that week, and particularly on that Thursday? We need to know. The massive outflow of U.S. funds to offshore accounts that critical week during the campaign could be a coincidence, but it is doubtful.

    George Soros is a multi-billionaire answerable to no one. Hastening a market meltdown to give the election to Barack Obama would fit his pattern of profiting while destroying the social order of his target country. Triggering a crash in 2008 would also serve his political investments.

    Soros is obsessed with power. He wants a One World Government, redistribution of wealth, open borders, and universal health care. He is determined to change America forever by deconstructing its sovereignty and ability to defend itself. Soros was a huge backer of Barack Obama, and now his anointed president is determined to change America to their mutual view.

    Soros made his fortune by short selling currencies and then pouring substantial amounts of his private wealth into organizations to subvert various nations. He nearly bankrupted the Bank of England by shorting the pound in 1992. He wrecked the Malaysian economy in 1998, and subsequently that of Indonesia as well. He is responsible for stirring-up instability in Africa, the Balkans, Eastern Europe , and the former Soviet republics.

    Over the years, Soros has positioned himself to take control of the Democrat Party through the hundreds of 527 organizations he has helped financed. These organizations have become a “Shadow Party” unto themselves, and manipulate public opinion for their own end.

    Among them: the National Education Association, ACORN, AFL-CIO, American Federation of Teachers, The Media Fund, the Open Society Institute, Planned Parenthood League, the Sierra Club, America Coming Together, the Huffington Post, Moveon.org. If a left-wing organization is in the news, it has probably received money from George Soros.

    Why have the identities never been reported of those who withdrew funds that week? Shouldn’t there be even some curiosity about an event that wiped out the jobs and life savings of so many people? And why has there been no follow-up inquiry by into Rep. Kanjorski’s statement? There needs to be a public investigation concerning the amounts and offshore destinations of the funds withdrawn from U.S. markets that precipitated the crash.

    Did an unwritten partnership exist between George Soros and Barack Obama? Could Soros, through Obama, be seeking a “velvet revolution” in the dismantling of our nation as he has done elsewhere? These questions need further investigation. With the Alinskyite tactics employed by Team Obama, none of this is beyond the realm of possibility.

    Americans recoil at the thought of having their elections manipulated by outsiders. As long as Democrats control Congress, there surely will never be an effective inquiry into this affair. Perhaps a GOP victory this November will allow a thorough examination finally to begin. Add this to the many investigations the GOP will need to make when they finally take back Congress.

    • John

      Very good James A Graham

      Unfortunately it is all lost on the ideological game players here.

      I have found this site attracts simpletons and idiots.

      They get the Bible mixed up in everything and cannot see corruption for what it is.
      They stick to a belief, and ignore what doesn’t suit them.

      If this is America at the ballot box in November, then all is lost. They will simply do what they have always done in the past and swing to the Republicans, and get America screwed for another 4-8 years.

      Stupid is, as stupid does.

      I cannot say they don’t deserve to lose their rights if they cannot even assemble a coherent sentence to defend them.

      This exact mentality is what gives hope to those who have 1 world views. They feel the general public is stupid…and they guessed right.

      They get lost in the idealogy. They cannot comprehend that what they believe in is working against them. This goes for both Democrats and republicans.

      Once in a while for show some good law comes down the pike, from either party. THATS WHEN YOU SUPPORT IT!

      • JeffH

        Join the sheeple at the trough.

        Hillary, Obama and the Cult of Alinsky: “True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within.

        Obama helped fund ‘Alinsky Academy’…A Chicago nonprofit on which President Obama served as paid director provided startup capital and later funding to Midwest Academy, an activist organization described as teaching tactics of direct action, confrontation and intimidation.

        Rule 5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.”

    • Save America Susie

      James A Graham, Thanks for both of those epistles of wisdom! Its an open window of fresh air to read truth coming to light, even if it is something we are not happy to hear such as the mandated HC Bill and Soros in the shadows. At least we can see it for what it is.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution

    Need to revise to add “the President together with his/her staff” as it appears that the President and his czars are also circumventing the laws of the land.

    Respectfully Submitted,

    Paul M. Mrozinsky

    pmmrozinsky@att.net

    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution

    From: James Graham

    THE HEART OF OUR PROBLEMS IS OUR POLITICANS ARE MONEY HUNGRY !!!!

    As a widow of a military retiree, who stood with her husband for over 20 years while he served this country (which was the greatest in the world until this Congress and President took over), I have to say I agree. Shirley

    As a retired military man that have given over twenty-seven years of my life to my country, I truly feel that what this
    Country needs most is a new amendment to the Constitution . I am recommending that we add the 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES.

    For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that Congress members could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they didn’t pay into Social Security, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform that is being considered…in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn’t seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don’t care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.

    This is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has come.

    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

    “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Congressman, Senators, Representatives and the President together with his/her staff; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Congressman, Senators, Representatives, and the President together with his/her staff that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States”.

    This 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES Will apply to all passed, present and future
    Presidents an their staffs , Congressman, Senators an Representatives.
    Just think of all the money this would save the tax payers!!!!!

    I think the Senators, Representatives or Congressman that comes out strongly for this will be our next President.

    HTCM USN Retired James A. Graham E-Mail address is ( jagraham@charter.net ) Please forward !!!!!!!

  • sharri

    The reason Obama has not been Impeached or prosecuted is because Congress is controlled now by Democrats. If impeachement is filed Congress can through it out. We must get 75% of Republicans in Congress in control. What is happening is Obama is now trying to place all liberals/democrats in position that favor him. He knows that if Republicans gain control in Nov. he will have judges etc. in his favor. But if the Army Lt. Terry Lakin case goes to court, his attorney can demand Obama show his birth certificate, and elegibility to even be President in order to defend Lakin. Boy that will be a joyous day. I can not wait until Obama is exposed without exception. I’d love to see the look on his face if prosecuted for his lies, fraud etc. This will come to pass. But I too think Obama is the Anti-Christ. It is written and now we’ve had several earthquakes and other disasters. It is coming.

    • Ronnie Reeferseed

      Both the Republicratic and Demublican parties are completely under the control of the truly evil military/industrial/bankster/media complex of criminals, so just electing Republican-party stooges will not solve our problems. We need to elect Ron Paul Republicans to take the party away from neo-con war-pigs in servitude to Israel!

    • John

      Why wasn’t GW Bush impeached for Constitutional violations when he put through the Patriot Act?
      I never heard any talk about impeachment.
      Only talk of impeachment over “Illegal Wars” from the Left.

      Why no talk about impeachment over Constitutional violations from everyone?

      Think Outside the box.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        john,
        Gee, then we should impeach Obummer right along with Bush as he has EXTENDED it!!!!

        • JeffH

          Joe H., I’m sure you recognize why John is here…he’s paid to disrupt the website.

          • JC

            Another Obama shill. These things are just like cockroaches aren’t they?

          • Save America Susie

            I was wondering the same thing about many on this site.

    • John

      You know they said the same things when Clinton was president.
      He was a communist, a drug dealer, had a political agenda….

      Clinton didn’t destroy America. He balanced the budget with the help of Congress.

      • Save America Susie

        At the expense of cutting our Military Defense in HALF. I don’t value a weak America. We need a strong defense to survive.

  • cella

    After reading what people write on this communist blog, I am sad. You people are idiots and live in the dark age. God have mercy on you . I am at a loss of words to even answer to your answer.

    • John

      Cella…

      Judging from your contempt…I think you get it!

      Tell me more. I feel the same way.

    • JeffH

      cella, welcome back.

      The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.
      John F. Kennedy

      • JC

        In a time of universal deciet, telling the truth is revolutionary.
        George Orwell.

        • Save America Susie

          JC, How appropriate for the times we find ourselves in!

      • Save America Susie

        Touche!

  • Michele

    Cella,

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion(s); this is [still] America afterall. I suggest that if this blog offends you there is an easy remedy. Do not participate in it anymore and save yourself the sadness and the loss of words you are experiencing!! Just a thought.

    • John

      Everyone is entitled to their opinions, their religious views and to their political ideology. Thats true.

      THIS IS AMERICA.

      • John

        And they can express their thoughts of profound loss anyway they see fit.

        Its true most idiots on this blog not only fail to see Bob Livingston’s wisdom, but they fail as real patriots, instead relying on some news station of their choice to plant their views in their heads for them.

        I am with Cella.

        • JeffH

          The most common lie is that which one lies to himself; lying to others is relatively an exception.
          Friedrich Nietzsche

  • Chuck Luchesi

    Save America Susie, You were misinformed that athiest’s have nowhere
    to go when they die. “Where will you spend eternity ? SMOKING OR NON-
    SMOKING ?

    • Save America Susie

      Chuck, “Non-smoking” thank you! I see your point….But what I meant was “no place good to go”. No Heaven to enjoy!

      Like the joke: What sad circumstances does an Atheist find himself in when he is lying in his coffin? “He’s all dressed up and no place to go”.

      And if they think: well I am not going there either, because they say it does not exist, I would say to them: Just thinking of going there is half the JOY. Thinking about a dead-end street is not as much fun, is it?

  • http://dmcintyr@stv.org Dewayne

    You didn’t get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President. You didn’t get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy, You didn’t get upset when a covert CIA operative got outed, You didn’t say a word when the Patriot Act got passed. We didn’t get upset when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on a said war! We didn’t get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq. Where was the outrage when we seen the horrible conditions at Walter Reed. 900 billion dollars were giving in tax breaks to the rich and elite during the past administration who got mad? You didn’t mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark under the previous administration. All of you are HYPOCRITES and you are showing your true color, and showing what is in your heart. God is not the author of confusion. He teaches us to respect all men.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Dewayne,
      WRONG!!! I got mad just the same as I am now at the even WORSE spending, constitutional trampling, and simple disdain for the people!!! Let’s face it, Obummer is continuing the patriot bill, is spending a couple trillion more than Bush and has done NOTHING to end the war!! So where is Bush any worse????

    • JeffH

      Anger is a wind which blows out the lamp of the mind.
      Robert Green Ingersoll

  • http://toast.net louis

    What would harry turman or general patton would do if they were came back life today? what they say about this type off base goverment we have now? THE STATES SSHOULD STEP UP TOO THE PLATE AND STOP THIS TYPE OF MADNEES FROM OUR GOVERMENT! DOES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE US CHOOSE THEIR TYPE OF HEALTH CARE ON US? WHEN THOSE IN THE GOVERMENT AND IN WALL STREET SELL AMERICA OFF LIKE SOME HARLET, FOR SOME QUICK ECONOMIC GAIN? OH WHAT ABOUT THIS COMPUTER CHIP AND THIS PRIVATE ARMY FOR HEALTH CARE BILL. ARE THEY WANTING TO CHIP US LIKE THE DOG OR CAT, LIKE THEY DO IN THE VET’S OFFICE? WE DO NEED ANY TYPE OF FORM OF A COMPUTER CHIP TO TRACK US, TO SEE OR KNOW WHAT WE DO EACH DAY? WE HAVE A GPS IN US!! HIS CALLED THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD, THIS GOD PORSITIONING SYSTEM IS IN US ALL THE TIME IF WE ONLY JUST LISTEN TO HIM

  • preteristaynrand

    The end times/ 2nd coming of Christ occurred in the 1st century just as Jesus promised in Matt.24 and Luke 21 and many other passages. It was the end times of the old covenant Jewish religion and culture that was destroyed by God’s wrath and judgement. Now the kingdom of God is with men. Rev.21:3

    Don’t you know that you are the temple of GOD? A spiritual temple in the hearts of all those who rely on the finished work of Jesus Christ . The kingdom of God has no ending. It is present now and forevermore.

    http://www.allthingsfulfilled.com

    • John

      So you are saying that Jesus sits as our leader today?

      Because in the Kingdom of God, Jesus is the ruler. Is this what you are saying?

      Do you believe Obama is Jesus? If so…

      You need medication.

      • preteristaynrand

        I don’t know who your leader is, but yes, Jesus is my leader in the only one world government that has no ending , the Kingdom of God. Remember , the earth is Jesus’ footstool…..www.allthingsfulfilled.com

  • http://thereignofchrist.com/ 57chevypreterist

    What preteristaynrand said!

  • SaltnLight

    How twisted can understanding be, re: cella says? How can one equate the majority of comments here to communism? It is just the opposite. The comments about OB being the Anti-Christ of Daniel and Revelations are in my opinion incorrect, although, his agenda is right in line with what a bible student would expect to be the anti-Christ agenda. Unfortunately, when we Christians venture such opinions, our credibility is immediately targeted. Too bad those who do the targeting have not done enough investigation to realize that the Bible is veritably the most accurate word ever written.
    I am appreciative of the detailed comments by James Graham re: the so-called Health Care Reform legislation, and influence that Soros is trying to impose on all of us. There is an abundance of well documented information of the march to global governance and social control, and the relinguishing of our soveriegnty, nationally and individually, by the President and our federal representatives. This is no longer in realm of “conspiracy theory”, it is fact. If one doesn’t like to read and investigate, just watch Glen Beck on Fox. He is exposing and documenting much of the conspiracy, and showing why congressional leaders are afraid to fight it, and that some are part and parcel to it. Does anyone think that Beck would not have long ago been forced from the airways if what he presents was not documented truth?
    By the way, call your congressmen now and ask them what is going on with Puerto Rico. The current administration and progressive liberals are obviously working to secure the Spanish as voters en masse before the next presidential election. If they also succeed in immigration legislation that includes some form of amnesty, they will have secured the most powerful solid voting bloc ever garnered in our history. I respect the hard working Spanish and have Spanish friends who I would fight for, yet it is certain that they will be politically manipulated and America will never be able to return from this push to socialism and control. Our Constitutional America will have been seized without a shot being fired, unless we all wake from our apathy and get a much higher percentage of conservative Americans to the polls than history says is possible.
    For the freedom loving American, this is no longer a matter of Democrats against Republicans, forget that. This is about the progressive – liberal, world government, castrate America agenda. Politicians and bureaucrats of both parties who are part of the problem must be removed and replaced with citizen legislators who are genuine Constitutional conservatives. The next six years and the next three national elections are critical to our freedom and our economic survival.

    • John

      SaltnLight
      I am inclined to agree with you.
      You have nailed it completely
      Thank you.

    • Save America Susie

      Here! Here! Its frightening what COULD happen! But we can still turn this boat around. The boat has ONLY temporarily been taken over by pirates!

  • John

    I have said before,
    Our greatest obstacle as Americans is overcoming Political Ideology.

    Because Political Ideology is what is being used to divide America, and keep us running in circles as we swing vote in the “Other” party when we become dissatisfied.

    The Idiots of America just cannot see this game. The don’t have the intelligence, as evidenced from their comments above.

    Think of the two party system as a corrupt 1 party system if that helps.

    The Democrats and Republicans are just two arms of the same corrupt system.

    How much clearer can it be made?

    Neither one support the American taxpayer/voter.

    Either you understand this fact, or you don’t.

    • Leslie Short

      How right you are! Republican or Democrat? It doesn’t matter. I know some so-called conservatives (lower-case “c”) who say they will never vote for a third party. They’re just part of the problem. We should all vote for who we believe is the best person, not a political party. Some people (eventhough, they will deny it) worship their favorite political party. Too many voted for McCain because they were afraid on Obama; and too many voted for Obama because they were afraid of McCain. Proverbs says “Fear of man brings a snare; but those who trust in God shall be safe.”

  • http://gmail i41

    Have to laugh when the libs. fall back on Whorehound Clinton. He was blessed with some good Republicans and wanted a legacy, so he signed some decent laws like welfare reform. Since Reefer and others like Ron Paul,just what we need more dopeheads on the streets and highway, and watch skilled productivity slow down. Also you must love illegals bringing in drugs and the sadistic drug lords, you are a loopy druggy dipstick. The only problem with the AZ. law is, catch a drug mule, string a rope on the nearest tree, no repeat offenders, price controls like that work and clear the court system, and save jail costs and space for Congress.

  • http://www.gorillamedicalsales.com medsearch

    It is refreshing that individual states are tackling the unconstitutional mandates imposed by Obamcare.

    One additional aspect of Obamacare that no one seems to discuss, is the loss of an additional one million jobs from the medical industry. In my segment, medical sales, we have already lost over 40,000 high-paying jobs in medical sales in anticipation of Obamacare.

  • http://none WearyBones

    I hope all of you will read this and that it will help you as much as it has me. At age 82, it matters not too much if I go before Jesus comes back for His people. I recently read a book, with Bible Scripture to back it up, regarding the End Times. It has strengthened my faith and when I read about New Believers in some countries being beaten, beheaded, etc. because of their new found Faith in Jesus Christ,
    according to the Bible, they will lose their life, but truly find it and they will live with all believers forever. If you care to read the book, the Title is: “What In The World Is Going On?” written by Dr. David Jeremiah. How is that for the name of a Pastor? Who says God doesn’t have a sense of humor? Christians, keep praying for the lost. As long as there is life, there is Hope!

    • denniso

      If Jesus hasn’t come back for his people in the past 2000 yrs, why is he going to come back in the next 10,20 or 30? Why, because human arrogance and ego dictate it for every generation that wants to think they are special…yet he never seems to return, though generation after generation declares he will. Even if Jesus is real there’s no reason to believe that he will come back to the earth that killed him. Give up on your end times myth…

      • Save America Susie

        The reason HE WILL SOMEDAY RETURN (not necessarily in our life time) is because HE IS LOVE. He proved that on the cross and with His life.

        1 Corinthians 13:7-8 “[Love]…Endures all things. Love never ends.”

        If you compare all of time to the approx. 2000 years since JESUS’ Earthly walk, 2000 years is nothing….It is a flash in the pan….A sparkle of a star. We are “only babies in time” even if we are Senior Citizens, as I am. We have not yet begun to live.

  • Harold Olsen

    I hope other states, especially Washington State where I live, does the same thing. Contrary to what the Obama regime and the Nazis in Congress say, if you do not buy health care you WILL go to jail. And they’ve put the IRS in charge of seeing we all have a GOVERNMENT APPROVED (those are the key words) health care plan. We all know how honest they are.

    • JC

      Naturally, the standing army of tax collectors will run the show.

  • American Citizen

    It’s time the states take back their rights that D.C. has been usurping for some time.

    • JeffH

      It’s time the people take back the control of the federal government.

  • American patriot and fighting man

    Here we go again, telling Americans who fight, live and die for this country (No not Republicans, they are too busy trying to make money while they save their children from having to fight for this country) while the rich try to profit as the lower and midle class citizens fight and die in foreign lands, that every patriotic American should pay more and more for Health care so CEO’s can make money off our backs. Japanese-Americans were interred for being Japanese and a possible risk to this country, so too, should the elite rich be interred in detainment camps for being anti-american and fighting the right to affordable health care, for everybody, in this country.

    • libertytrain

      You make no sense – McCain’s boy is in the military, Palin’s boy is in the military, 2 out of 3 of my kids is/was in the military -

    • http://?? Joe H.

      american(?) patriot and fighting man,
      As I said before, I served, and there are a great many conservative republicans here that have served.If you had served and talked to your fellow troops, you would know that!!!

    • http://naver samurai

      American patriot and fighting man? I don’t think so. Don’t forget that the Japanese were sent to camps by FDR and his administration because they spread the fear of “them rising up and taking over America” nonsense. This healthcare reform nonsense is just that, NONSENSE! It’s a direct violation of the 10th Amendment to the Constitution. If you got off your !@#$% and worked, you could probably afford some healthcare.

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