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Immigration Fingerprint Program Faces Resistance

June 7, 2011 by  

Immigration fingerprint program faces resistanceNew York is among several States that have pledged to opt out of a Federal program that is designed to deport illegal immigrants with criminal backgrounds.

According to CNN, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has announced that he is suspending the State’s participation in Secure Communities, an initiative in which law enforcement officials run the fingerprints of arrested individuals through a database to verify their citizenship status.

Cuomo suggested that the program, which was designed to help target and deport illegal immigrants who engage in criminal behavior, has had the opposite effect. He claims that the new system has deterred witnesses and other members of the community from working with law enforcement agencies due to fears that they might be deported themselves, according to the news provider.

The media outlet reported that Illinois Governor Pat Quinn has voiced his opposition to Secure Communities, while Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick has held public meetings to discuss the effectiveness of the program.

In California, the State Assembly recently approved legislation that would allow counties to opt out of the automatic fingerprint system, according to FOX News. Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco) said that if the bill is passed by the Senate and signed by the governor, illegal immigrants would be more likely to report crime, which would strengthen public safety.

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  • http://www.reformdc.com nax777

    If you have nowhere else to go than the two parties then why are you voting?
    Both parties allow Islamists to inter by the half million and growing a year.
    Both parties allow Latinos to inter by the millions a year.
    Both parties allow a million more from other nations.

    That’s at least three million new comers a year folks. US citizens have had a zero population growth for decades yet we swelled from 274 million to 312 million in eight short years!

    Both parties allow the very real overpopulation threat.
    Both parties allow the death of the American culture and view it as the death of racism.
    Both parties allow the global warning myth to live on.
    Both parties allow Judeo-Christian values to be stripped from governing bodies.
    Both parties allow the creeping police state.

    I can go on for days, especially on details. The Pubs and Dems will deny or support these facts based on hair splitting lip service or false sense of security including racism.

    Replace the parties with citizens that can be immediately removed by citizens and never serve for a life time. We must take control ourselves. Please join with us at Goooh.com you might be able to click on my name. This will take you to my link page that links to Goooh.com, NumbersUSA.com and SBA-list.org.

    P.S. Have you heard of “you cut” @ http://majorityleader.gov/YouCut/.

  • http://burkecomputers.blogspot.com/ DanB

    “…the fingerprints of arrested individuals” and the witnesses are being turned away because THEY are afraid of being deported? What? Do they treat any witness that shows up as the perpetrator of some crime and fingerprint them too?

    Now I don’t doubt that they witnesses are afraid to come forward, even more so now then before. Why? Because these criminals are the brother, sister, son, daughter, father, or mother of someone else. No one is born in a vacuum. And don’t forget friends, gangs, alliances and so forth. As the laws seek to crack down, so will the criminals crack down on their own victims. So the victims of those whole cycle is those that obey most of the law (if they are illegal immigrants then they do have an issue with one law…). Are you really protecting them by easing up on the criminal offenders? Or are you giving the criminal offenders permission by default to actually do more and more to their victims? I suspect that those who claim they are protecting the “innocent” in this scenario may actually be doing far more harm to those they claim to be protecting over the long term of this problem. Will there be more victims of theft? More victims of murder? Rape? Slavery even? Who are you really protecting when you go soft on crime?

  • javajoy

    I don’t understand these people who take issue with fingerprinting. When I get a military ID card I am fingerprinted, when I get certain jobs or volunteer in certain areas I must have both a criminal background check and be fingerprinted. So, I, a truly natural born citizen of the USA must be fingerprinted while people who come here illegally (breaking our laws BTW) don’t have to be fingerprinted. Shame on you, Mayor Cuomo for siding with the lawbreakers rather than with natural born citizens who obey the law. What are you thinking? Or, are you looking for votes? Before long you will find some way to let them vote!!!!!

    • 45caliber

      They are already voting in many states. They call it the “Motor Voter” program…

  • JimH

    Quinn wasn’t there to protect me (a LEGAL citizen) when I was finger printed so I could, get this, drive a school bus.
    Illinios where the citizens are treated like criminals and the criminals like victims.
    Of course in Illinios some of the biggest criminals live in the Governors mansion.

    • jibbs

      Get out of that sewer called Illinois, I did. I have a friend in Wheaton that has severe mental problems, depression, bipolar, and Schizophrenia and they gave her lic. to drive a bus! She’s been known to leave her car running and walk away from it, only to have the polie find it miles away. When you report these people, nothing is ever done. Who’s looking out for you?

  • James

    Our stae and federal governments are either lily-livered pipsqueaks or traitors to law and order. If they are afraid of repercussions from illegal aliens, they have been conquered.

    • eddie47d

      Over the last few months folks have said they don’t want a police state or a national ID card for everyone. The police are already knocking on peoples doors without warrants and for this new fingerprinting system to work we will all be in the police data base.If we are not already. Your house could just as easily be busted into as a suspected illegal next door. You right to protest because of illegal search and seizure will be a thing of the past.If you authorize these programs to move forward then you may be complicit in allowing a police state to take hold. Once enacted these “good” programs never go away. I’m not in favor of illegal entry into this country and we do give those who commit crimes too many 2nd chances.That has to stop but will everyone’s liberties be jeopardized as in old and new Russia. Where we are all guilty until proven innocent.I’m never eager to give the police more powers.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        eddie47… The article said: the program, which was designed to help target and deport illegal immigrants who engage in criminal behavior.
        If they are not engaging in criminal behavior, fingerprints are not taken. I thought anyone who was arrested was fingerprinted? I have never been arrested, but evidently they no longer require fingerprints. And, I always thought that entering our country illegally was against the law. When did that change?

  • lkar

    ??? We are losing the word smithing war!!! We do not want to deport “law abiding” illegal aliens, so we allow sanctuary cities and ICE policies that “overlook” this segment of our population. Now we are going to let the rpogrssive machine allow “criminal” illegal aliens avoid deportation. WTF!!!
    AS ILEGAL ALIENS they are not entitled to citizen rights. Out of the goodness of our hearts, we bleed this country dry and it is still not enough. I propose that if a US citizen is harmed by any illegal alien, they should sue the crap out of the US government for derilection of duty in protecting its citizenry. This is just another piece of overwhelming proof that the government is at fault. If enough cases can overwhelm the courts, the courts will cease their liberal undermining of the constitutional requirement of soverignty and security for US CITIZENS.

  • 45caliber

    So it is better to keep criminal illegal aliens than it is to worry about “accidently” sending some non-criminal illegal alien back to where they came from? They are BOTH criminals! They both have broken the law simply by being here! Send them all home!

    • JimH

      45, Are Cuomo, Quinn and Patrick stupid enough to believe the drial they are trying to sell us or do the think we are that stupid as to fall for it?

      • 45caliber

        They do what is best for themselves – and I can guarantee you that as they have us fingerprinted, they will not do it themselves.

        Those who determine all decisions based on what is best for themselves are called sociopaths – once known as psychopaths. But that word is no longer PC since it implies (rightly) that some people will torture and murder others for their personal enjoyment or advancement.

  • GRusling

    In Texas we now require “everyone” to be fingerprinted before they can get a drivers license, State ID card or any type of Public assistance. It doesn’t hurt a bit.

    Any and all “illegal aliens” are welcome to NOT APPLY for any of the above and they can keep their fingerprints to themselves…

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      GRusling… GO TEXAS! You guys are always a step ahead!

  • Cawmun Cents

    They are worried that an illegal wont report a crime?Why should they?This is not their country.They arent helping anything they have allegiance to by reporting a crime.There is nothing in it for them.That is what the idiots at the state level of legislation do not comprehend.These people are keenly aware that the court system will turn those who perpetrate crime loose to do it again.MOREOVER THEY ARE ALSO AWARE THAT DEPORTING SOMEONE WILL ONLY DELAY THAT PERSON RETURNING TO COMMIT ANOTHER CRIME ANOTHER DAY.The system is broke and keeping people”safe”by thinking they will report crimes is ludicrous at best.The attitude is that if I dont say anything then I do not draw attention to myself.That attitude is borne of common sense rather than trumped up political correctness.Who are these people in the houses of government fooling here?Nobody.These people have absolutely no allegiance to America.It is only a vessel they use as a liferaft.They will not stick their necks out by notifying the authorities.The authorities make victims out of people who should be perpetrators and vise-versa.The populace of illegals in this country are well aware of this fact.Therefore the whole premise of the argument is bulls__t from the outset.How do you debate something with people too stupid to understand?You go to a state legislature,evidently.-CC.

    • 45caliber

      One of the real problems today is that many when involved in an accident won’t stop or will run away. The reason? It is no longer PC to admit you made a mistake since they will prosecute you for the mistake. Once upon a time, it was simply an insurance issue. Now they sue or file criminal charges for real accidents. And if someone does commit a crime and then kills himself the government feels they must now find someone else to take the blame and punishment. After all, SOMEONE must pay, right?

      So more and more people aren’t stopping, aren’t rendering aid, and more and more people are dying because of it.

  • wandamurline

    Cuomo wants the illegals in his state. The Mayor of New York wants to put them in Detroit to rebuild that sad state…like that would be rebuilding. These two must be brothers. Let the illegals stay in New York along with all the multiculturalism that is there now, and before long, New York City will look like Detroit. They deserve it.

    • eddie47d

      New York and Detroit have totally different economies. How could Cuomo want illegals in his state but also wants “to deport them” to Detroit. That’s too much of a contradiction for me. New York has always welcomed immigrants so why would they change now?These immigrant wars have raged since the founding of our nation and most Europeans weren’t welcomed either by various forces. I agree that the criminal element should be deported immediately and stronger measures are needed to keep them from entering to begin with. Whether at our southern border or our northern airports and no matter from what country. If fingerprinting gets the job done then it might have to be accepted. For me it would be with reservations as with the Patriot Act and we know the problems it created.

      • Cawmun Cents

        I think what you may not be taking into account eddie47d,is that when the immigrants came in the past on boats,they were being regulated in number to some degree.But in coming over the border,it seems there is no regulation involved.Also to some degree there wasnt as much crime being perpetrated on the citizens that werent a part of the various nationalities which came in the 19th century.They kept to themselves and for the most part the crime was kept contained to their cultural partitions.Now the crime is rampant everywhere,and heinous crimes perpetrated by illegals are coming from every part of the nation.Especially in the area of operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated.We can hardly afford our own drunks,much less those from other nations here illegally.We have a need to patrol our borders with more efficiency,and to provide those who are out of work in the states in question,with jobs to do exactly that.-CC.

    • 45caliber

      The real problem is that the politicians are looking at population numbers. Most born Americans can’t afford to have more than one or two kids any more – unless the government pays them to have more on Welfare. And one reason the government pays the Welfare people to have more kids is because they want and need more taxpayers. They HOPE that some of those kids will become tax payers. (Unfortunately most don’t.) For the same reason they want as many immigrants as possible – again ignoring the fact that most of the illegals pay little tax, cost us for all the “free” stuff, and sends most of their income out of the country.

      The way they look at things is: “Surely we’ll get some new tax payers if we simply run up the population enough, right?”

  • bruce

    progressive scum like coumo have always protected criminals over taxpayers, with their gun control that leaves citizens defence less against the urban maggot.these people like coumo need to jailed for breaking the laws of our country and maybe we should deport them along with illegal aliens.

  • Doug

    what part of ILLEGAL do these people NOT understand. I get upset everytime I hear someone regering to them as illegal immigrants, or undocumented aliens, they are here illegally which means they are already breaking our laws. That is the reason they wont co-operate with law enforcement, they are ALL criminals just being here, they better be scared of the police. The DOJ wants to threaten states with reprisals for passing laws to stop them, why isn’t DOJ threatening these states that are “opting out” of following other federal rules, regulation and programs??? Now THAT is the big question, one that the libtard news media wont ask and the government will not answer.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Doug… Great post… You said it well. I agree.

      • 45caliber

        So do I.

  • Dan az

    Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco) said that if the bill is passed by the Senate and signed by the governor, illegal immigrants would be more likely to report crime, which would strengthen public safety.
    Is this just a joke?come on tell me that it ain’t so.Well I guess it just goes to show you what is the mentality of the people who we elect and what a great job we have all done.Insanity is an understatement.Who needs laws when we have this kind of intelligences in place.what can I say.

  • http://www.popomark@cox.net D Mark

    If states do not want to obey the law, cut off all federal funding.
    Each of these three states all receive SCAAP money. SCAAP, the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program is a grant that provides financial assistance to states and localities for incarcerating “undocumented criminal aliens.” Why should these states receive our tax money and then completely ignore our immigration laws. Thats why we have the illegal immigration problem that we have, our elected officials just ignore the laws.

  • D. Jones

    Why are we housing illegal’s in our prisons? When they are arrested and found guilty we then provide them with room and board for years and then and only then do we deport them. They should be deported immediately because they have already broken the law by being here. Let their country deal with them. Think how much money would be saved if we sent all the illegal’s in our jails and prisons back to their own countries.

    • 45caliber

      D.Jones:

      Those who commit smaller crimes are shipped off. The ones in prison are murderers, robbers, etc. And the reason they are there in prisons is because if we simply shipped them back to where they came from, they would be back in the US – willing to commit even worse crimes – because there is only a vacation home for free if they are caught. This way, it is hoped, they will stay there when sent home.

  • chuckb

    we should cut off federaal funding for california and new york. these two states are major offenders when it comes to illegal aliens, the reason is simple, they keep the liberals in power by their illegal vote. jerry moonbeam brown of california wouldn’t be in office if it wasn’t for state workers and illegals and i’m sure the same applies to new york. both states are in deep financial trouble, however, the liberals care less, they still sit in power.
    we cannot break this system unless we go to some kind of voter id card that is fraud proof and you know the demos will never go for that.

    • 45caliber

      About thirty years ago the Feds bailed out NYC and California when they were bankrupt. This resulted in both places immediately putting into place every thing they could consider that MIGHT be helpful since they expected the feds to bail them out again. And since the rest of the politicial entities in the US saw that, they are trying to get their share too – by going into debt.

  • cae

    To say it deters witnesses is a blantant lie and its a lie they just keep repeating. My son is a police officer in Az where we live and witnesses and victims are not, have not and will not be checked for proof they are here legally. As a matter of fact, they are reassured of this by the police and Do in fact cooperate because they and their families are the usual victims of the criminal illegals!

  • http://deleted Claire

    Some of these politicians will do anything to prevent the immigration fingerprint program. After all, they owe the big corporations that donated to their campaign. And some of these companies/corporations/businesses have illegals working for them–at a cheap wage.

  • i41

    Any state that will not finger illegal immigrants(fence crawlers) need to branded and ear notched the group. If state dont want to follow our laws, cut their taxpayer funds by half, like the belway did under the drive 55 when, people traveled over the open spaces out in the west. Now it is time for these liberal pukes to follow the laws. The most simplest and cheapest program would be to shoot on site the pukes crawling the the fence. Sharp shooters and civilians all need rifle practice every day, with the wild fires it should great hunting and a great backdrop.

  • Brittanicus

    As the TEA PARTY emanates from the decrepit, but still flourishingRepublican Party, my vote will go to Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R-MN) in 2012. To me, and possibly millions of other TEA Partier’s that she rivals all of the other presidential possibilities. With a (B-) grade on her stand against illegal immigration, she is a very sharp lady and unless you are against feminine personages in the White House for whatever reason, she is distinctly ahead of the class. Her score card so far as attributed to her illegal immigration record that is important to taxpayers, as she has stated that opposes Immigration reform that really is a disguised Amnesty. If it wasn’t for such a non-profit Foundation as the Heritage, the amount of money to support another amnesty of $2.6 TRILLION DOLLARS would have not released. Dollar numbers like this remain intentionally unrecorded, especially in the Liberal oriented media.

    This makes absolute conclusive sagacity, when the first main 1986 Immigration act cost $76 Billion. What really doesn’t make any sense, that the Pew Research Center, delivered an explosive problem, that while our own unemployed walk the streets, 8 million foreign nationals plus have jobs. In the same issue “Attrition through Enforcement” is the mandatory operation of E-Verify, Secure Communities on a nationwide policing basis. She also opposes any federal funding for Sanctuary City ordinances, and a much tougher border for our national security. The controversial instant citizenship for babies of illegal parents has drawn her ire, plus she wants to reduce all immigration legal and illegal. Bachmann is intensely loyal to an America to free ourselves of this blight of a multiculturalism society. She sees it as highly volatile to the English language and is embittered by the changes, she sees as eroding our way of life.

    We do have the rampant illegal immigration in Sanctuary States as California and Nevada so we must watch for election fraud in voter registrations, as well as many other States? The 2012 voter attendance could very well be a turning point in immigration law, without too much interference from adverse entities, who see this as a constraint to their power. The Governor of California, the Mayors of big cities of San Francisco and Los Angeles are ineffective and in the Leftist Capitol monopoly of Sacramento and are unlikely to enforce any E-Verify, Secure Communities as they don’t want to demonize the illegal population. Only by dislodging the hypocrites in Sacramento from their “Super-Glue” seats, will anything change to release the taxpaying public from the ordeal from the $26 billion dollar deficit? Then again, is Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick going to renege on E-Verify or the police law “Secure Communities?” How many other Governors throughout America are going to drop out.of these policing laws, without thinking of the ramifications on taxpayers? Illegal aliens will begin pouring across their state border, searching for the public welfare trough.

    With the E-Verify law and Secure Communities law recognized by the Supreme Court, as one journalist stated” The dam has been breached.’ This removes the torment from State Capitols that can now go ahead, spreading the good news that the Liberals, cannot easily rescind. States now have the right to activate their own mandated E-Verify, so all workers must pass through the verifying steel gauntlet for a job. Businesses have finally are going to be held liable through sweeping audits, that if they knowingly hire illegal alien workers, their goose is cooked? Now the penalty phase must be rigidly enforced, which should include not only a canceled business license for a week, but at least six months, but loss of company assets, large fines and for incorrigible companies six months to five years in jail.

  • Brittanicus

    As the TEA PARTY emanates from the decrepit, but still flourishing Republican Party, my vote will go to Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R-MN) in 2012. To me, and possibly millions of other TEA Partier’s that she rivals all of the other presidential possibilities. With a (B-) grade on her stand against illegal immigration, she is a very sharp lady and unless you are against feminine personages in the White House for whatever reason, she is distinctly ahead of the class. Her score card so far as attributed to her illegal immigration record that is important to taxpayers, as she has stated that opposes Immigration reform that really is a disguised Amnesty. If it wasn’t for such a non-profit Foundation as the Heritage, the amount of money to support another amnesty of $2.6 TRILLION DOLLARS would have not released. Dollar numbers like this remain intentionally unrecorded, especially in the Liberal oriented media.

    This makes absolute conclusive sagacity, when the first main 1986 Immigration act cost $76 Billion. What really doesn’t make any sense, that the Pew Research Center, delivered an explosive problem, that while our own unemployed walk the streets, 8 million foreign nationals plus have jobs. In the same issue “Attrition through Enforcement” is the mandatory operation of E-Verify, Secure Communities on a nationwide policing basis. She also opposes any federal funding for Sanctuary City ordinances, and a much tougher border for our national security. The controversial instant citizenship for babies of illegal parents has drawn her ire, plus she wants to reduce all immigration legal and illegal. Bachmann is intensely loyal to an America to free ourselves of this blight of a multiculturalism society. She sees it as highly volatile to the English language and is embittered by the changes, she sees as eroding our way of life.

    We do have the rampant illegal immigration in Sanctuary States as California and Nevada so we must watch for election fraud in voter registrations, as well as many other States? The 2012 voter attendance could very well be a turning point in immigration law, without too much interference from adverse entities, who see this as a constraint to their power. The Governor of California, the Mayors of big cities of San Francisco and Los Angeles are ineffective and in the Leftist Capitol monopoly of Sacramento and are unlikely to enforce any E-Verify, Secure Communities as they don’t want to demonize the illegal population. Only by dislodging the hypocrites in Sacramento from their “Super-Glue” seats, will anything change to release the taxpaying public from the ordeal from the $26 billion dollar deficit? Then again, is Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick going to renege on E-Verify or the police law “Secure Communities?” How many other Governors throughout America are going to drop out.of these policing laws, without thinking of the ramifications on taxpayers? Illegal aliens will begin pouring across their state border, searching for the public welfare trough.

    With the E-Verify law and Secure Communities law recognized by the Supreme Court, as one journalist stated” The dam has been breached.’ This removes the torment from State Capitols that can now go ahead, spreading the good news that the Liberals, cannot easily rescind. States now have the right to activate their own mandated E-Verify, so all workers must pass through the verifying steel gauntlet for a job. Businesses have finally are going to be held liable through sweeping audits, that if they knowingly hire illegal alien workers, their goose is cooked? Now the penalty phase must be rigidly enforced, which should include not only a canceled business license for a week, but at least six months, but loss of company assets, large fines and for incorrigible companies six months to five years in jail.

    This would be a harsh example for anybody, willing to take the risk on hiring illegal labor. As ugly as it might seem American citizens and legal residents, should carefully observe employed at their workplace. Because of the rampant fraud in companies of every imaginable situation, there has been an upsurge in Whistle Blowers. People should not betray themselves in spiteful retaliation to get back at an unreasonable manager or an owner, who refuses to raise their wages. This is for the sake of placing a jobless legal countryman, who has a family to support or a home behind in several payments. Only to validate legal workers who are just being hired, just doesn’t cut it. Everybody on the payroll should be checked and those with irregularities had better travel to the nearest Social Security office. This will save any human services department being sued for discrimination by any legalized immigrant who thinks he has a right to work.

    None of these deterrents would have been needed if every administration over the past thirty years, had accomplished building a real border fence, and defended the nation with the laws provided in the 1986 Immigration Act. Liberals, Democrats, Republicans and other party affiliates, with the bleeding hearts of churches and a wide array of special interests groups are to blame for this mess. By pulling the desperate, the indigent, the impoverished, the criminals, the economic foreigners here, we are now drowned in a federal and State wide financial reservoir of debt. America is a magnet for every poor nation’s people in the world. But by taking in these unfortunates, it just adds to the layers of our own under unprivileged, forcing them further into poverty? It’s inconceivable to thousands of pro-sovereignty organizations, why the legislators never made it a felony to trespass in the United States, without proper documents? No other industrial country is lax in its laws as the US, otherwise police would have a right to question a person on their immigration status; specially today with people coming across our Southern border, with intentions to harm us?

    If Congress is under new federal management in 2012, Tea Party representatives will never again let different party entities; drive America to the brink of insolvency. Try explaining it to your children or grandchildren, that when they are taxpayers in future years, the IRS man is going to arrive demanding extra money from their wages to pay for the support of illegal people who came here from our uncompleted border fence, or arrived here as a tourist and had no intentions of leaving?

    Liberals for some obscure reason see the TEA Party as a waning minority of old, white people. But if you wander around the huge crowds, you see a growing discontent from every race of ordinary people. The Tea Party does not discriminate against any person of color as long as they came through legal immigration channels to join the American people. It is important to understand that immigrants, who apply to come here, should have the necessary skills to earn a living and already be secure in a job from a reputable company. Rooted American workers should have first priority, when it comes to any kind of highly skilled occupations. America is in the doldrums economically through undeclared wars on two fronts, costing a million a day. If you see American rebounding back from this nasty recession, look towards the new faces in Congress, as not yet corrupted by political ambition, wealth and power. I don’t see this in the Conservative moderates known as the Tea Party, whose ambitions will be held responsible by the American–TEA PARTY–people?

    The American people who unemployed need to contact their federal and State Representatives to insist they enact mandatory E-Verify for every State at Senate—202-224–3121/ House—202-225–3121.

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