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Idaho To Sue Federal Government Over Healthcare Mandate

March 23, 2010 by  

Idaho to sue federal government over healthcare mandate Idaho Governor C.L. "Butch" Otter signed a bill last week to prohibit Congress from mandating that every individual in his state purchase health insurance.

The Idaho Freedom Act, which was sponsored by three Republican state representatives and a state senator, requires the state attorney general to sue the federal government if it successfully pushes through healthcare reform legislation. Similar bills are currently pending in 37 other states, Fox News reports.

"I guarantee you that not a single member of the House or Senate has a complete understanding of that legislation any more than they understood all the implications of the USA PATRIOT Act back in 2001," said the governor.

"What the Idaho Health Freedom Act says is that the citizens of our state won’t be subject to another federal mandate or turn over another part of their life to government control," he added.

However, several law experts have said the bill is mostly symbolic, as federal law supersedes that of the state. The Idaho Freedom Act is expected to cost the state approximately $100,000 to implement, according to Insurance and Financial Advisor News.
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  • JeffH

    Let the games begin…14 states are in so far with more to come.

    • Randy Michigan

      History books will tell our children that the Democratic Party stood up to The REPUBLICANS and their SPECIAL INTEREST MASTERS A.K.A. THE INSURANCE AND OIL INDUSTRIES and helped the MAJORITY of the nations people not the rich and special interests. Good luck on running to repeal millions of Americans Health care. All your yelling and screaming will not matter under the law, don’t you think the legal aspect was thought through before they made this law, it is and shall always be constitutional.

      • Warrior

        Oh yea and let’s not forget about those health care providers, drug companies, movie stars, pro athletes, Walmart, Nancy Pelosi, Budweiser, Kennedy Clan, Al Gore, Hillary et al.

        I’m curious about Michigans stance on this issue since I’m from Illinois and I know the sleazy corrupt democratic leaders of this state wouldn’t dare challenge their Favorite Fraud Spawn.

        • Randy Michigan

          They all sell out, you just got to pick, I pick my Government over a Company any day.

          • Joe H.

            Randy M,
            The governor you have is worse than the ignorant Romney we had when I lived there!!! Romney was usless cause he did nothing and this gov. kowtows to the muslims so bad that Detroit looks like Little Iran!!!

          • Randy Michigan

            Whats wrong with muslims? Do you even know one? I know many and none of them are as stupid as some of the people here, most are college grads.
            All love this country and it’s people, can you say the same?

          • Palin12

            Hey randy, is it or is not true that at the Ford plants in Detroit they have some kind of whistle that blows in the factories, and all the muslims stop work to get down on the ground, while the non-muslims have to keep on working? True of false? Just wondered….

          • Palin12

            Your silence speaks volumes!

      • Robert

        No, they never think about constitution matters, just what feels good

    • FreeFor Now

      14???? The article CLEARLY states 37, with more to come! Hopefully, we can have a MAJORITY RULE on this bill! At least that is how it is SUPPOSED to be done! According to the Constitution!

  • smilee

    Big big waste of money, $100,000 to implement and that is only the beginning $$$$$$$$ to follow and in the end it will be for nothing, a frivolous lawsuit. This is a political statement and nothing more no legal basis, not much different than the stupid birther lawsuits, Republicans got beat on this and are now showing their true colors. Poor Losers, pure arrogance!! Jeff There is only 4 so far, pending in ten, dropped in or expected to drop in 23 others. Your right it is a game is a better description than a lawsuit.

    • CJ

      Typical looser attitude, smilee. We who know when illegal and unacceptable government actions are being forced down our throat won’t stop until things are set right. We don’t give in to your bully tactics. It’s not about who “won and lost” but what’s right and wrong. Your point is so lame when you politicize it. If you would put your energies into making things right instead of just bullying those you don’t agree with, this country wouldn’t be in such a sad condition. Grow up.

      • Smilee

        CJ says:
        March 23, 2010 at 6:56 am

        Typical looser attitude, smilee. We who know when illegal and unacceptable government actions are being forced down our throat won’t stop until things are set right. We don’t give in to your bully tactics. It’s not about who “won and lost” but what’s right and wrong. Your point is so lame when you politicize it. If you would put your energies into making things right instead of just bullying those you don’t agree with, this country wouldn’t be in such a sad condition. Grow up.

        YOU ARE A LITTLE MIXED UP AREN’T YOU, YOU ARE THE ONES WHO LOST TODAY, IT IS NOW LAW, AND VOTED ON JUST AS THE CONSTITUTION CALLS FOR IT TO BECOME LAW BECAUSE THE MAJORITY VOTED FOR IT. IT IS RIGHT, YOUR SAYING IT ISN’T DON’T MAKE IT SO. THAT’S HOW LAWS ARE MADE UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION. IT IS LEGAL AND ALL YOUR STUPID EFFORTS WILL NOT CHANGE THAT, IF YOU WERE GROWN UP YOU WOULD TAKE IT LIKE A MAN AND MOVE ON, INSTEAD OF WHINING AND CARRY ON LIKE A CHILD. WE HAVE A SAD CONDITION IN THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU DO NOT WANT TO PLAY BY THE RULES, SO TAKE YOUR BALL AND GO HOME TO MAMA.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          I would expect this kind of rhetoric from a “take care of me cuz, I’m Entitled Liberal”, you guys are slaves to a current Government that’s hell bent on Socializing America, go to Europe if you want to be socialized, we don’t want it here!__If someone took all of your entitlement programs away, how would you ever survive??__There is people in the World who truely do need the help__the Government was no where to be found, when I needed them for my Mother,I toughed it out!___sooo you keep laughing smilee or whatever you call yourself__we were warned plenty about progressives through the years, Right now progressives insist in believing in the Messiah’s Utopic Never, Never, Land__”that our Government loves it’s people and alls right with the world”__ well Bud you go ahead and be a slave to Government,In the mean time, I’ll still grow my own food, make my own bread and my husband and I’ll take care of our own family__I like it that way, because I’ll never forget how, ___It’s the corporate world that’s gonna have aproblem, if it all falls down, they’re going with it!__If you let other people take care of you, you give up your say, in how it’s done__you’d better think!

          • JeffH

            angel-wanna-be, the liberals will have there day, and as usual, they aren’t shy about telling anybody about it. It all goes into our memorybank to be processed when appropriate. The old “we won, you lost” attitude is alive once more. It will all come back full circle eventually. Keep your chin up girl!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JEFFH___YES IT DOES, WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND___ AND UNFORTUNATELY ALOT OF THESE LIBS ARE GOING TO FIND OUT__YA CAN’T TELLEM ANYTHING CUZ THEY KNOW IT ALL___AND DAMMIT I DID IT THE HARD WAY__IT TOOK ME 53 YEARS OF HARD LIVING TO LEARN, BUT DAMMIT, LEARN I DID!!___LMAO___GOD BLESS

        • Joe H.

          Smilee,
          It will be more than the four years till this goes into effect, I can guarantee you that. Even if the lawsuits don’t overturn it and they will, there will be a legal hold stopping it untill the suits are done. Then you are still going to have the suits from citizens. it could be another ten years easy before it starts. If they wait till just before it goes into effect to start the suits, it could take even longer!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            joeh,
            GO LOOK AT THE ABOVE LINK I POSTED, IT WILL SHOW YOU WHAT OUR GOVERNMENT REQUIRED CITIZENS TO PURCHASE BY LAW.

        • Michael J.

          Smilee,
          You said, “YOU ARE A LITTLE MIXED UP AREN’T YOU, YOU ARE THE ONES WHO LOST TODAY” If you are correct, then 51% of Americans lost today and all you can do is gloat. I hope you will soon need a hip replacement. Then you will see that all of us are the losers and not just the 51% who realized it without having to experience it. Only a fool needs to touch fire to know that it burns.

          • Smilee

            America won big today, you just not smart enough to comprehend it

    • DaveH

      Oh, sure, Smilee is worried about wasted money now, after the Democrats wasted a year of our time and money wrangling over how to force their way on the rest of America with their Unconstitutional Healthcare Bill, and then passing it finally with the rawest of majority.
      They aren’t happy with the Social Security mess that they have made, so now they want to further mess up our Healthcare Choices.

      • Smilee

        WHINE, WHINE, WHINE, CRY, CRY, CRY,

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          THE ONLY WAY GOT THIS BILL HEALTH CARE BILL THROUGH, WAS BY PUSHING THE HEALTHCARE UP THE A** OF ALL AMERICANS, I LAY YOU TEN TO ONE, IF OBAMA AND HIS CROMIES, PUT THIS HEALTH CARE BILL, TO A VOTE BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE, IT WOULD CRASH AND BURN, BABY AND YOU WITH IT!!!

          • Smilee

            BUT LETTING US VOTE ON IS NOT COVERED IN THE CONSTITUTION, YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO ANYTHING UNCONSTITUTIONAL WOULD YOU??

        • DaveH

          Smilee,
          Why don’t you go somewhere else and get high with your gang of thieves?

          • Smilee

            Only if you come along, and you are the one always talking about losing your freedoms, guess you could care less about the freedom of those you disagree with, be honest you only want everything your way and whine and cry every time you are unable to have it your way

      • eyeswideopen

        DaveH, they want people who expect the ambulance to pick them up and transport them for care to an emergency room, to not get one of those “free rides” you are constantly refering too. NO MORE FREE RIDES FOR THOSE WHO REFUSE TO PURCHASE INSURANCE, which causes everyones to increase. If you expect care in this country, you will have to help pay for it. NO MORE FREE RIDES!!!! Just get one of those big corporations that you love so much to donate some money for people who don’t want to purchase insurance. You know, one of those who don’t pay any taxes into our system. Shouldn’t be too hard to find them, as 2/3 of the corporations don’t pay taxes.

        • Smilee

          SPOT ON EYES

        • Joe H.

          eyestaxedshut,
          Neither do the illegals but I don’t hear you worrying about them!!! But let one of your countrymen do it and you are all up in arms about it!!! I figure you are against everything about this country, eyes and I hope one of these days you pay for it!!!

        • DaveH

          No more free rides? Are you drinking again EyesWideShut. The Bill is all about Free Rides. You are just another lowlife who thinks that dragging others down will elevate yourself. It won’t.

          • eyeswideopen

            DaveH, hypocrite.

          • Joe H.

            wicked witch of the west!!!

          • Michael J.

            EWO,
            There are plenty of people who pay as they go for health care and do not have insurance. Who are they hurting and why should they pay for less scrupulus others?

    • Hello?

      Hey Smilee, you will not be smiling too much when they come and cram a plug in your smiling mouth , blindfold you and haul you off, oh , I forget you are on their side for now. This is not a question of Republican or Democrat , we are not in a sports game and you’re not a cheer leader, this is about all Americans and if you are too stupid to see it, then I am glad that all the power you have is just one vote. This is a direct violation if the Constitution, if you know anything about law rather than your own ignorant view. We need health care reform but no one wants to have anything crammed down our wind pipe with the arrogance that this bunch seems to have. The polls tells us that about 75% are against this monstrosity. What happened to by the people and for the people? November will tell the story and people like you can crawl back into your hole.

      • Smilee

        HELLO, YOUR SO MIXED UP WITH ALL YOUR MADE UP RHETORIC, GOOD BYE, DREAM ON

      • eyeswideopen

        75% you LIE!!!!

        • Joe H.

          eyesliedshut,
          There was a story in one of the papers that said 75% of the people wanted them to start over from scratch because of all the underhanded deals and partisan dealings!!! FACT, witch!!

          • Smilee

            POLLS DO NOT MAKE LAWS AS THEY ARE NOT LEGAL FOR THAT, IN THE END THE REPUBLICANS WILL NOT DO ANYTHING BUT SHOUT AND HOLLER WHILE TRYING TO KEEP THEIR RADICALS ON THE FAR RIGHT IN LINE, TAKE AWAY ALL THE GOOD THINGS IN THIS BILL WOULD BE SUICIDE, REMEMBER WHEN BUSH WANTED TO RADICALLY CHANGE SS, THEY CHICKENED OUT DESPITE THE FACT THEY HATE SS AND MEDICARE BUT THE PEOPLE LOVE IT AS IS AND WILL LIKE THIS AS WELL, THEY WOULD BE WELL ADVISED TO QUIT STEALING FROM THESE PLANS AND FIGURE A WAY TO MAKE THEM ALL SOLVENT, IT IS DOABLE IF THEY COULD ONLY COOPERATE AND QUIT TRYING TO DESTROY EVERYTHING IN GOVERNMENT, GOVERNMENT CAN BE GOOD IF THEY PUT YOUR ENERGIES IN THAT EFFORT RATHER THAN TRYING TO DESTROY IT.

          • Joe H.

            go back to where you ran off to before1 your stupid rants are getting less intelligent as I read them!! You must be drinking or sucking on a pipe!!!

          • Smilee

            You couldn’t recognize intelligence if it jumped up and (offensive words removed)

          • eyeswideopen

            JoeH, prove it. Show a link….

        • DaveH
          • DaveH

            It is amazing that so many people in this country support the stealing of legally acquired money from others.
            The Liberals will cry their eyes out over a rapist forcing his way on a woman, but turn around and think nothing of forcing their way on a fellow human being’s life choices. Liberals are nothing more than disgusting controlling lowlifes who would make most rapists blush.

          • eyeswideopen

            DaveH, you are right. Ron Paul now wants women to not have the right to decide what to do with their bodies. What happened to that Libertarian creed of letting people decide for themselves what to do with their lives, and bodies??? GONE IN A FLASH….Your group is now as hypocritical as the repubs/conservatives. Too bad.

      • eyeswideopen

        Hello. see link above, where our government required citizens to purchase certain items, by law.!!!!! LMAO….

    • http://Don'thaveone Sally

      I’ll bet Smilee that you didn’t read the posted 72 hour bill!!! It also contained Student Aid and funding for BLACK colleges and universities – what does all this have to do with healthcare. There isn’t one thing about this bill that is constitutional. Just wait until the Supreme Court tears it apart.

      • Randy Michigan

        Federal Law supercedes state law read the Constitution, if it was unconstitutional there would have been outrage before it was made into law not after. Your in desperation mode and your going to loose again and then what, CIVIL WAR?

        • DaveH

          A law has to be passed and imposed on somebody before it can go to the court system to be judged for Constitutionality.

          • Randy Michigan

            OH, SOOOO every law passes and then it is challenged……..maybe Bush era. Dems know how to pass laws too and that isn’t the way it’s done.

        • eyeswideopen

          Randy, do you think that poor Sally, knows that when they fund community colleges, that doesn’t mean Black universities? Prejudice is running high. Maybe I should tell her that the money goes to Community Colleges & Career Training Grant Program, and that whites go to community colleges. So, the whites aren’t being shut out from the funds being given. She must have been watching Fox, the faux news station, or listening to Glen, or Rush. Sad, very sad.

          • Randy Michigan

            Sadly, that is true, unfortunately.

          • del

            DON’T YOU THINK THAT BLACK COLLEGES ARE RACIST!?!?!?!

      • Smilee

        I did and the Supreme Court will not touch it, wait and see in the meantime pleasant dreams

      • eyeswideopen

        Sally and the reason you capitalized the word black, was why??? Becareful you are letting your racism show. lol

        • Joe H.

          eyessegregatedshut,
          she merely emphasised the fact that it was black colleges and not ALL colleges!! you are so EAGER to call names and accuse you can’t even read plain english!! Why should those colleges get any more FEDERAL aid than the others???

          • eyeswideopen

            Joe, as usual, you people fail to read. It is not specifically for BLACK COLLEGES. It is for COMMUNITY COLLEGES & CAREER TRAINING GRANT PROGRAM. Maybe you think that all community colleges are black, but here in Florida. they are populated mostly by whites, with some minorities attending. You people are so afraid of blacks getting more than you do, it is truly discusting and shows how the repubs play on your fears. Don’t try and give her cover, she is a racist, who is afraid of blacks getting money. The pell grants are also given to whites, so she shouldn’t be upset with that funding. What was your RWA score?

          • Joe H.

            my RUN WITH AZZHOLES SCORE WAS NEVER!!!!

          • Randy Michigan

            That is where the MAJORITY of people go to college not big universities or state colleges.

        • DaveH

          EyesWideShut is just filling her role as the useless board Harpy.
          She’s got no life, so she must drag others down in a vain attempt to elevate her lagging self-esteem.

          • eyeswideopen

            DaveH, since you don’t bother to call these people on the facts, someone has too. You are just wanting to make friends for your libertarian party platform, which has changed from the individual has rights, to the John Birchers will now control what you can do with your body PARTY. Too funny and hypocritical. A majority of your party is not happy with Ron Paul aligning himself with the pro-lifers as it shows that what you all have been preaching is a lie.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            I see she still hasn’t mentioned the ILLEGALS getting a free ride or the lazy good for nothingts that could work and choose not to!!

          • del

            EYESWIDEOPEN legs to I guess. Thats why you are pro abortion! You shouldn’t have the right to abort without consent from the father. It might be your suitcase but it damn sure isn’t your luggage exclusively.

  • s c

    Queen Pelosi, in her supremely arrogant diatribe, said it best when she said Obummer’s damned healthcare reform scam needed to be passed “so we can find out what’s in it.” In other words, ultraliberal progressives couldn’t care less what’s in the damned thing. They want it rammed down our throats, regardless of the FACT that MOST Americans DON”T want it.
    It is spooky how ultraliberal progressives find so many ways to be psychotic. Is this a kind of reward for not having a conscience and not wanting one?
    Huzzahs to Idaho. Kudos to every state that tells Obummer where and how to jam it. Dissent is always a functional part of citizen participation (no matter how well the other side of the aisle has been brainwashed).
    No matter what ultraliberal progressives say or do,
    we will do what we must to put Obummer in his place. It took a year, but many people who voted for Obummer now see through his dibolical mask. What can be said about a herd of sociopaths and anarchists who could put blind faith in a resurrected Hitler, as long as the sob went through the motions of being a leader? Thugocracy’s gift to politics has all the leadership ‘skills’ of a Benedict Arnold or an Aaron Burr. From this point on, those ‘skills’ will devolve until even the most rockheaded ultraliberal progressive turns against him.

    • DaveH

      Even if the majority of Americans did want it, the fact remains that it is Unconstitutional for the Federal Government to force us to buy Healthcare Insurance.

      • eyeswideopen

        DAVEH.
        Wrong, wrong, wrong again. You need to do more research dude. During 1792 the government forced citizens to purchase items and gave them 6 months to do it. This issue will be treated as a tax, which is how it will be considered constitutional. Get in the game.

      • Smilee

        Dave you want to bet that when all is said and done it will be found constitutional, what you say simply does not count, doubt you know what in the constitution makes you even think that, No doubt you are constitutionally illiterate

      • Palin12

        Dave, next thing they’ll be telling us that we HAVE to buy GM and Chryslers.

    • Randy Michigan

      You ramble and made no point, are you a Tea Nagger?

      • Joe H.

        Randy M,
        I hope if you work,which I doubt, you lose your job and take one that just barely puts you over the threshold to get it free. That way you will really appreciate the price when you have to BUY your own coverage!!! Especially when we KNOW prices are going to rise when they have to cover everything and can’t refuse coverage!!! Have fun when you are paying about 300.00 a month!!! I’m going to laugh my assets off at you!!!

        • eyeswideopen

          Joeh, oh joy, now the Christians are wishing bad luck on their fellow brothers and sisters. Jesus would be so proud of you.

          • Joe H.

            Why not, you libbies are doing it to me!!!

        • Randy Michigan

          I have a GREAT Union job at Ford Motor Company, by the way, Ford did apply for Fed help but thought twice after realizing that they had money and was just trying to be greedy, all Conservatives and Republicans run their companies that way, they all take Fed money and then complain that the Fed should stay out of their business. No wonder you Republicans and Conservatives run countries and companies into the ground…..I work hard because I Pay UNION DUES and I have Benefited from it, ask all those Toyota workers that don’t have UNION BENEFITS when they all loose their [offensive word removed] and houses and health care (if they have it) and they don’t have any unemployment left what they are going to do then…..My union will pay me the money I need because I put an investment in my Job security by Voting to have a Union cover my a$$! WE UNION WORKERS ARE LAUGHING AT THEM NOW, THEY HAD THEIR CHANCE AND VOTED NO, EVEN THE MEXICANS ARE SMARTER, THEY HAVE UNIONIZED LABOR.

          • Palin12

            Do you realize most union bosses make over $200,000 a year off YOUR sweat and blood? A few years ago, there was a grocery store strike in california. The store was asking employees to pay $5 per dependent for their health insurance. FIVE BUCKS! The union came in and said, no, these employees have been getting free health insurance as their benefit, and so we are going on strike! The strike went on for about 3 months, until it was revealed in the news that the big bad union boss that was spearheading the strike drew an annual salary of $250,000. He wasn’t losing a penny himself while he’s telling his members to go on strike. When the people found out about this outrageous salary they started crossing the picket lines like crazy. Lo and behold, the strike ended that same week. Employees then had to pay 5 bucks.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            UNIONS HUH?___MY BROTHER WORKED IN A TOOL MACHINE FOR 40 YEARS___NON UNION, THEY HAD GREAT BENEFITS AND TOOK CARE OF THEIR EMPLOYEES RIGHT UP UNTIL HE DIED!___MY SON WORKS FOR AN EXCAVATING COMPANY, HE RUNS LARGE EQUIPMENT__HE IS NONE UNION TOO___HE HAS A GREAT BOSS__AND EVEN WHEN IT’S SLOW, THEY TRY TO KEEP THEIR WORKERS WORKING___MY DAD WAS IN THE UAW, UNTIL HE RETIRED___THE COMPANY CHANGED HANDS TWICE AND THEN TOOK ALL THE HEALTH & DEATH BENEFITS AWAY FROM THE RETIREES__TO THE POINT ALL THEY HAD LEFT WAS A SMALL PENSION___AIN’T NOTHIN FAIR MY FRIEND__IT’S CALLED MAKIN YOUR OWN WAY___YOU DO WHAT IT TAKES OR DIE___AIN’T NO BODY GONNA DO IT FOR YA!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Palin12 versus, the CEO’s who are making 5-10 million in salaries? You think 200K is too much? I thought you conservs don’t want to dictate what salaries are paid to executives??

          • Palin12

            Your damn right I think 200K for union bosses is way too much for what little good they do. They spend 2 weeks out of 4 years negotiating a new contract and review an occasional grievance. The rest of the time just kickin back in their expensive suits or sending their thugs out to beat people who don’t agree with them. The biggest raise I ever got in a union was $1.00….one time it was 25 cents. The biggest raise I ever got in a non-union job doing the same job was $3.50 which was like a merit raise for doing a good job and which I negotiated for myself. These corrupt unions in bed with ACORN can kiss where the sun don’t shine!

          • Joe H.

            Angel,
            Sounds like Hoover ball N bearing in Adrian Michigan. Used to be Stubnitz. Old man Stubnitz used to give bonuses and turkeys each year not to mention a good working wage. The UAW raided the shop and the workers went on strike for 1.00 an hour and ended up getting 15 cents an hour. since they bit the hand that willingly gave the bonuses and turkeys, Mr stubnitz told them to tell the union to buy them and give them bonuses. The union said look at all we did for you. yeah the first pay was bonus time and the guys figured they lost overa hundred dollars!! Real smart!!!

          • Joe H.

            Randy,
            yeah, you’ll be fine. Just as long as somebody with more seniority even at another Ford plant doesn’t get laid off and want your job!!! then you are unemployed and the other guy has your job!!! And let’s be clear on one thing your sub pay only lasts for a little over a year!!!

          • Joe H.

            Oh, and one more thing, that sweetheart dealio with obummer that the union got you on not paying the tax on your caddilac plan? It’s gonna get over-turned!!! If Obummer doesn’t drop it now that he has your vote!!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Palin12 OH MY GOSH, YOU BELONGED TO A DEMON UNION???? You are proof of the hyprocrisy on this site. You had a union job and you demean others who make their living by belonging to a union. Don’t let JeffH or Dave know that you had a union job, or they will treat you like they did the Coalminer..degrading him and calling him names..don’t you know that you can only have a job that they deem acceptable?? Girl you need to get in the game. Some things are better left unsaid. Didn’t anybody tell you that the Conservatives don’t allow you to work in a job that has a union? Becareful, you will be called a radical for paying union dues.

          • Palin12

            Listen moron, I wasn’t in that demon union by choice! When I first took the job it was not unionized. Then the management themselves put us in the union and they chose the union for us themselves. We were forced to join the union (california not a Right to Work state) under penalty of termination. After I was continually screwed by the union, I quit and went to work for a different company in a Right To Work State. Not before having a little fun with the union a**holes first! First I started sending all my WalMart receipts for the month along with my union dues. Bet they enjoyed that as their cheaply made newsletters begged us to boycott Walmart. Then when the bastards phoned me at home and begged me to vote no on recalling Gov. Davis, I told them “Hasta la Vista, Baby”! BTW, I’m male. Fraternally yours, Palin12

          • eyeswideopen

            Palin, kudos to you for only giving up your integrity for a year. I bet you are the type who buys toyotas and not American cars to penalize those American workers for belonging to a union. Such a wise choice. Point here is you don’t have to belong to any organization if you don’t want too, however to critize others who choose to belong is authoritiarn and true to the right wing authoritiarn mantra. You won’t be happy until you are dictating what people are eating and drinking. Does the word totalitarian mean anything to you? How can you be so arrogrant as to demean and judge others who work? Some don’t have the same freedom to just leave a job and change states.But it so nice that you did have the ablility after a year to leave. So you were only a blood sucking union person for a short period of time.

          • Smilee

            Palin, Joe and angel know nothing about unions or how they work, Union leaders do all they can to try an avoid strikes, it is the employees only who vote on weather to accept a contract or reject it and go on strike, by law if they vote to strike the Union leaders have no choice but to try all they can to settle it, In 40 years in a union and I have negotiated many contracts as the steward, the leaders ask the employees what the want in their contract not the other way around, I never once had a union leader tell me what to negotiate, most times they would try to talk us down and as I said they never wanted you to strike, what is negotiated always comes from the shop committee and employees desires. My experience with people who blame union leaders also have a deep seated hatred for union and I suspect that is the case with these three persons. Check the US Dept. Of Labor website, they collect all the labor data nation wide and you will find the average union worker make about $200.00 per week more than non union workers in addition almost always they have pensions and only 39% of US workers do with most being union. In my own case (I’m retired after 40 years with my company) we had both union and non union employees, my pension is a $1,000.00 more per month than my non union counterparts, also I get more SS as my wages were always higher and that makes for more SS, we received about $7.00 per hour more than most of our non union counterparts. That should tell you something about how much better us Union employees had it and I did not even mention the other benefits we got that were also much better. Most Union Leaders if they went into management for some company and many of them could and make much more money, the most caring people I have ever known were those people that actually run the Unions full time. The leader of the Teamsters makes about $250,000 per year, he is also a lawyer and could make far far more than that if he lawyered, But his heart is in helping his fellow man, I have had the good fortune of knowing him. In our local, our full time leaders get about $45.00 a year and work long hours. When I hear idiots like these three talk this way when I with forty years of being very active in Union activities know they are totally ignorant of what they shoot their mouths off about. Eat your hearts out or go join a UNION!!

          • Palin12

            Regardless of all the rhetoric from you liberal lunatics, the fact remains when it was published in the newspaper how much the union boss earned, people starting crossing the picket lines bigtime and the strike was settled. The union lost. And when they spent $500 million to defeat the recall of Gray Davis, they lost again.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JoeH, My Dad wasn’t a union man by choice, but he knew and did his job well cuz he had family to care for.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JOeH, your right, ya can’t bite the hnd that feeds!__Where our son works, the boss usuallly hosts a annual Christmas party__Two years ago our son won a Huscavarna chain saw__they gave away, disney tickets for two__and set a buffet style dinner, for all the guys!_this guys not a cheap boss by any means__he didn’t do it last because,lack of work, but the guys know him and they stick by him.

      • DaveH

        No Randy, he’s just a guy who has enough morality not to force his way on his fellow citizen. In other words, he’s not a Liberal.

    • http://YAHOO Idaho R,WINGER

      I totally agree, Hitler tried to be a WORLD dominating LEADER but got caught trying to kill all of the Jewish population by the good guy’s(AMERICANS and the Europian allies that were fighting, the then NAZI Germany. The Current United States President, Communist, Socialist, Aldoph Obama will go out the same way hopefully. History repeats itself always!
      Let’s keep our fingers crossed.

  • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

    This isn’t about being a sore loser or who wins or loses, Government is forcing us to buy Healthcare or face a fine and possibly imprisonment. Is this Healthcare Mandate, Constitutional or not?_____No, I don’t believe it’s Constitutional, for the President to force us to buy anything and If we let this Administration, get away with this, they will continue to do it with it everything, they want to pass, regardless if it’s good for the country or not.

    • Lonnie

      I guess you all know and no one has to tell you that this is just the beginning, and they are just at the starting gate, katie bar the door if this is not repealed, set aside, or the Supreme Court puts a restraining order on it…and then let’s vote them out in November and every election until we get them all out…

      • Smilee

        Dream on Lonnie, ain’t going to happen

        • DaveH

          Pass that joint this way, Sleepy.

    • RobertP

      If it legal, then when conservatives are in power (hopefully in 2010)I think we should force people to buy guns and bibles. I wonder how liberals would handle that kind of government mandate.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        Robert P, careful or Homeland Security will publish another Lexicon on us TERRIBLE, BIBLE TOTING, CRAZY, RIGHTWING EXTREMISTS!___LOL

        • eyeswideopen

          angel, but that is exactly what you are!!! Own it and realize that you aren’t what our founding fathers had in mind when they created this country. You were exactly what they were trying to escape from tyranny and totalitarianism. If you ever read the Constitution, you would know that the word God is not mentioned at all. It is only mentioned one time in the Declaration of Independence. Christianity isn’t mentioned at all anywhere. I am proud to be a Christian, however I see no need to try and rewrite history or to try and advance the Christian religion through lies.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Oh I know, us crazy right wingers, we skewer babies in the streets too!__God helps those that helps themselves my friend__you claim to believe in God, but your faith lies in Government, you can’t have both!__We don’t hate Government, we want them to do their job which is to protect us from from harm, it’s OUR own responcibility to create a life that which suits us__God said take up your cross, if you wish to follow me__I don’t remember God saying, it would be easy free or to let someone else pay your way!___

          • Michael J.

            EWO,
            You are the one trying to re-write history.
            http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel04.html

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          I OWN NOTHING, EXCEPT THAT WHICH I WORKED FOR!

          • Smilee

            ARE YOU JEALOUS OF OTHERS

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Smilee, I’m damn happy for what I have__where dod jealosy coma into play___there is, always will be class envy, it’s a matter of whether you feel like playing with the rest of the kids or not!

        • Joe H.

          Like the veterans of this nation?? You libbies have always been that way love your soldiers when you think they’re needed and hated them when you don’t!!! We’re terrorists because we served this country?? you libbies are a bunch of lilly livered cowards and communist sympathizers!!

          • eyeswideopen

            JoeH, you need to check your facts as to who cut the military funds during the last administrations rule. Our poor soldiers didn’t even have the correct vests to wear. Civilians had to send them to our kids. The hummers didn’t even have correct plating for bomb protection. Get real, you have sunk to a new low, saying that the dems don’t love their soldiers. Oh, that’s right only the repubs serve and have died for this country and they are the only ones who love the soldiers, pardon me. What about the atheists do they love their Christian soldiers, or do you refuse to acknowledge that atheists can love because they don’t believe in Christ?

          • Smilee

            Statements like that really reveal how filled with hate you really are, shame on you

      • eyeswideopen

        RobertP, you are already trying to do that now, what would be different?

        • Joe H.

          So says the evil witch of the west!!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Joeh, you are so child like, hard not to love you.

          • Joe H.

            try dude try real hard!!!

          • Smilee

            Eyes I have noticed how immature — is too, sounds to me like he is long overdue for a good hard spanking

    • eyeswideopen

      angel, is it constitutional for people like Dave who don’t have insurance to expect the rest of us to pick up the bill, if he doesn’t feel like, or cannot pay???? I am tired of people getting a free ride.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        Why didn’t he go on Medicaid??__there are programs out there when you need them, I can’t help these entitlement programs are broke__too Much waste and fraud!!!__There is 300 million people in the United States__the libs keep changing the number of people that are SUPPOSINGLY without Helathcare, it ran from 5 million , now it’s up to 30 million___I could evEn go for Public Option hEALTHCARE, IF half of the population needeD healthcare insurance___BUT IT WASN’T EVEN CLOSE!___This was rammed through, EVEN THOUGH THE PEOPLE PROTESTED AGAINST IT, IT WAS UNREAD, HIDDEN IN SECRET, LADEN WITH SWEETHEART DEALS TO BUY A DEMOCRAT VOTE FOR IT AND WE AS AMERICANS ARE SDUPPOSE TO BUY WHAT’S EVER IN IT, BECAUSE IT’S SO GOOD FOR THE AMERICAMN PEOPLE!___AND I’LL BE DAMNED YOU LIBS ARE GULLIBLE!

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          SORRY ABOUT THE SPELLING, I GET PI**ED OFF!

        • JeffH

          angel-wanna-be, just ignore these liberal, pardon my french, gashes!

      • Joe H.

        eyestoostupidtoopen,
        Is it constitutional that the illegals come here and do even worse??? Is it constitutional that neopolitan orders 26 illegals released that had been rounded up and ordered that papers making them legal given to them?
        Is it constitutional to require everyone EXCEPT one group pay taxes on their good coverage??? Is it constitutional to make deals to buy votes?? That was outlawed long ago!!! There are many others I could site as well but as closed as your eyes and MIND(?) is you wouldn’t be able to understand them!!

        • eyeswideopen

          Joe, you are rambling, ask a specific question, and I will be glad to answer.

          • Joe H.

            eyesdimmedshut,
            If you could read, which you obviously can’t, you would see I asked about five very precise questions for you to answer. but as usual you are just avoiding them for stupid games!!! don’t worry though from you it’s become expected!!!!

          • Smilee

            Geeze, I got to go along with eyes she has you pegged exactly right

      • DaveH

        You’re not too bright, are you EyesWideShut? It would be a cold day in hell before I’d ask your help for anything. I stay far away from creepy people like you.

        And IgnorantEyes, the Bill gives anybody who can’t pay a free ride. That’s what it is all about – taking the money of the producers and giving it to the non-producers. Are you really that dumb or are you just trying to stir the pot?

        • DaveH

          That was a rhetorical question. I know the answer already – Both.

          • eyeswideopen

            Love how you radicals argue and answer your own questions. That does limit and dissent doesn’t it?

        • eyeswideopen

          DaveH, I have friends just like you who don’t carry Insurance, I have seen first hand, what happens when they need government services for healthcare. It wiped out one of them in the amount of 126k he had saved, so when his wife need emergency surgery, he just filed bankruptcy and stuck it to the hospital, which in the end is me, and all the rest who pay for insurance. Multiply you times a couple of million and that is why we are in trouble with medical costs rising and our premiums sky rocketing. That sir is a free ride, when you don’t pay. Did you know that when people are hospitalized and die in hospital without insurance, most of their family members just walk away from the debt? Would your wife fork over 100-200k for you to die in hospital?? Probably not. You are the very reason, they are mandating participation. Which will be considered a tax, in the legal sense.

          • Michael J.

            EWO,
            By using your logic, how long will it be before the government mandates that everyone should spend five years in prison because some individuals may rob banks?

            “Those who would trade Freedom for Security deserve neither”
            Bejamin Franklin

          • Smilee

            Michael, are you for real, you sound very ignorant to me

          • Michael J.

            Smilee,
            Yes, I am for real. I am for real Americans. For ten generations going back 330 years my ancestors have earned the right to call themselves American. And we know Communism when we see it. You and your master are fooling no one. Even if your master wins, you and all the other useful idiots lose.

          • eyeswideopen

            Michael, so your ancestors lived here 100 years before we became a nation? Are you American Indian ? If not you are an immigrant just like the rest of us.

          • Michael J.

            EWO,
            That’s right, my great, great grandfather ten generations removed, immigrated here in 1680 from Holland. Proud people who expected nothing but the promise of freedom and were willing to do whatever it took to achieve it. After repelling the British in the 1770′s, the words of the Constitution were inked in the blood of my ancestors. Since then we have been knee deep in every regional conflict, every world war and every fist fight that was required to make this country the place where you and Smilee have the right to openly voice your opinion.

        • eyeswideopen

          Dave, first public school in America, had the rich paying a flat rate, while the poor got free admission. This is the way our country was founded and you obviously don’t like it, so take your radical ideas promoting anarchy and go to some country that won’t mind the chaos which will transpire with your free market approach, that will have no regulations. Argentina tried that free market approach and had millions die. You cannot stop the humam greed factor without regulation. Go to an undeveloped country and start your ideas there.

          • Joe H.

            Gee witch, no answer to any of my questions?? course you CAN’T answer!!

          • Michael J.

            EWO,
            Your obsession with “the human greed factor” is a telling Freudian Slip which indicates to me that you are full of it. (greed, that is)

          • Smilee

            EYES these two are so unreal, no intelligence what so ever

  • babybikerbabe

    My favorite part:

    “However, several law experts have said the bill is mostly symbolic, as federal law supersedes that of the state. ”

    Apparently the so-called law “experts” are unfamiliar with the 10th Amendment.

    Ironically, the states need not sue, they can just refuse to participate. I heard Sheriff Richard Mack say that if he had it to do over again, he would not have sued over the Fed mandated Brady Bill, he would have just refused to participate.

    Thank you again to our Founding Fathers – that 10th Amendment comes in mighty handy.

    • CJ

      This is what gets me about our legal system. Legal “scholars” can’t even agree what is legal. Our government has created such a convoluted system, they get to run around spending our money, to prove, over and over again, what is right or wrong. This isn’t an act of “fine tuning” the system, it’s job preservation. They’ve found out that keeping us confused keeps them employed. What a waste of money.

    • Smilee

      The tenth amendment only applies if the constitution does not give the Congress the power, in this case it does and that is what the legal scholars are telling us, this is all about politics and not law

      • DaveH

        Oh yeah, legal advice from Sleepy. That’s worth about 25 cents an hour.

        • Joe H.

          DaveH,
          It’s 25C a month just like his salary from mommie!!!

          • Smilee

            Earned everything I got myself, I’m retired and the SS part of my income isn’t even needed to pay my actual living expenses, that was how we used to do things today most will only have SS, won’t that put a lot of pressure on the government welfare through, scrapping pensions or offering only defined input pension plans is contributing greatly to more poverty in this country, my investments in 2008 lost about 30%, half of it has now been earned back but that’s because I did not need to lock the losses in to live on as its over and above my pensions. If it had been for pensions I would have truly realized those losses and that is why privatized SS is so risky just as 401K’s or their equivalent are.

          • Joe H.

            yeah dopie I’ve heard the wind blow before and your wind sounds a lot like a fart!!!

          • Smilee

            it is too bad you can not smell it, I think your jealous, when you retire could you save your whole SS check???

        • Smilee

          TO YOU DAVIE IT IS TOTALLY FREE, THAT SHOULD Make you feel special!

          • eyeswideopen

            LMAO!!!

  • gaetano

    I will not be a sheep led to the slaughter. I will not pay a damn penny to this government for this bullsh%%. So ,put me in jail. If I could afford to leave this country, I would.How in hell could people be so blind to this obama fool.I hope that a civil war comes between the parties. I believe even the armed forces will be against obumnuts and is gang of thugs.

    • DaveH

      I agree Gaetano.

      • Smilee

        GEE, DO WE REALLY GET TO SEE YOU TWO GUYS GO TO JAIL, AH I SUPPOSE YOU WOULD DESERVE IT!

        • DaveH

          Free room and board. Sending us to jail is the only way they can protect us these days from all of Sleepy’s gang members.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            I don’t know if he’s a true midget(or Little Person) but he sure is a mental midget!!!!

          • Smilee

            joe, you are so small you really would have to look up to me, a long way up

    • Randy Michigan

      You two guy’s are idiots, why the hell would you want a civil war in America again? It’s dumb [offensive word removed] like yourselves who should kill off each other, instead of Voting and making change happen the Democratic way THE WAY OUR FOUNDERS INTENDED YOU WANT TO GO THE WAY OF THE ISLAMIC REVOLUTIONARIES IN IRAN, WHAT DUMB [offensive word removed]!

      • eyeswideopen

        Randy, just wait until they keep their kids on the plan after they turn 21. If any are small business owners, they have option of not taking the tax credits. But they will. What will they do, when their parents don’t have to deal with the doughnut hole? Cry? NO, they won’t.

        • Joe H.

          eyescoveredshut,
          I can keep my kid on my policy till shes 24 now. by then she should have a job of her own and coverage!!! don’t be an azz!

          • eyeswideopen

            Joeh. aren’t you lucky. That just shows how varied the policies are. Most are age 21. You must live in a state where there is competition allowed. My employees son just turned 21 three weeks ago and she is hunting for policy for him, as he has a pre-existing condition of MS and the quotes she has received is $908.00 per month. She had gotten 11 rejections and will have to stop paying for his college. He works 30 hours a week, so he is not full time and his job won’t cover him. Such a lovely system. So, glad that you are treated differently. Probably cause we live in Fl. How nice it is that you have no family members or friends who have medical issues. You Sir live a charmed life. That is probably why you don’t see the suffering others are dealing with.

          • Joe H.

            Yeah,yeah, and you know more sick people than the hospitals. what do you do just make them up as you need them just like your hero Obummer???

          • eyeswideopen

            JoeH, nope, just living in the “real world”, not the one you RWA’s try to create. Life proves that someone in your immediate family will either have a bad accident or disease within a 15 year period of time. Take you head out of the sand and look around, what do you think causes all those medical bankrupcties?

      • Joe H.

        Yeah Randy, right this was passed the democratic way. The only problem the American way is to be Bi-partisan when you discuss things. You seem to forget that the republicans were SHUT OUT till almost the very end. there were plans presented by the republicans and they were not even considered!! Just like this plan, they were not even READ!!! Take HR956, it was presented by a dem and a repub. they just tabled it! Didn’t even want to consider it cuz it put them on the same coverage as us. couldn’t have us lowly voters on THEIR type plan!!! I guess by your talk, you don’t think you are as good as them either,huh??

        • Randy Michigan

          Damn Joe, I think you need to investigate that some more and come back to that statement again, just about all the amendments are in there are Republican sponsored, they had nearly a year to do so, if they did not get what they wanted, it will be their own doing because they had ample time but spent it saying that it was a death panel for Grandma and that it was Socialism. When the Elections come you all can vote for a candidate that wants to repeal it and then wait another couple years because your candidate is going to loose his [offensive word removed] on that platform. Just except it and run on a more viable platform because that ain’t one of them.

          • Joe H.

            thank you randy now I know you are either lying or just plain full of excrement!!!

        • eyeswideopen

          JoeH, dude, you should have watched CSPAN instead of Fox. It showed all the commitee meeting, and in every one the repubs were represented fully. Do you want me to pull up the closed door meetings when the repubs were in control? Can do that for you, just so you feel better about the process.

          • Joe H.

            Yeah THE ONE meeting that they let the repubs into!!! As far as HR956, I got that straight from latourette and Mary Kaptur!! I don’t trust snopes to get my facts like you!!!

          • Smilee

            Joe you are so far removed from reality, I have to conclude you are so far removed that you are totally unaware of how stupid you appear to all here, maybe you need a shrink, good luck as you obviously have serious serious problems

    • eyeswideopen

      gaetano, where would you go? The industrialized countries all have socialized healthcare of some sort. Try, Somolia, they have a libertarian form of government.

      • DaveH

        Spoken like the misinforming Liberal Harpy that she is. Maybe if you could spell Somalia, EyesWideShut, we would put more credence in your pretense of knowledge about Somalia’s politics.
        Somalia is a Muslim Country. You know, those people, like Liberals, that force their way on other human beings. They are polar opposites of Libertarians. Like you, EyesWideShut, are the polar opposite of an intelligent, moral, and compassionate person.

        • eyeswideopen

          DaveH, maybe you should read up on Islam. They aren’t governed under a specific political government. They have adapted to some of the western ideas and different areas are governed differently. You like to generalize and lump everybody into your little compartmentalized ideologies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_aspects_of_Islam

          But even the Muslims are smart enough to resist anarchy that the Libertarians so look forward too.

        • Randy Michigan

          Kind of how Christians force their beliefs on their politics, like abortion.

          • Barb

            Isn’t killing a person in this country called murder? If you kill a grown man or woman is that a Christian imposition on the laws of the land to try you for murder? NO! The problem is the laws are too variable, if you kill a grown person you get life in prison or the death penalty, kill a child because oh let’s say he wet his pants once too often you might get 5 years, kill a totally defenseless unborn baby and so what is the attitude of you libs. It’ is a human being, breathing, heart beating, eating! That’s not religion saying this either it’s your science! Murder is murder whether the victim is 2o days in the womb, 2 years old or 40 years and should be treated all the same! Religion has nothing to do with being against abortion, morals, ethics, and doing the right thing does, just happens that most people with morals and ethics are also religious. Doesn’t say much for you does it RANDY!

          • eyeswideopen

            Barb, yet you agree with capital punishment. Little hypocritical isn’t it? What happened to redemption?

          • Joe H.

            eyeskillershut,
            Apples and oranges goofball. What harm has that unborn child done?? What crime? you would protect some of the most worthless scum on the face of this earth but won’t lift a finger to protect an innocent unborn infant!! Scuzzbucket!!! you disgust me! the thoughts I’m thinking about you are going to require a lot of prayer and begged forgiveness from my savior, but I think he will understand!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            JoeH, REDEMPTION, do you remember that word? Bible preaches it, maybe you need a refresher course.

          • Smilee

            Joe,

            Apples and oranges goofball. What harm has that unborn child done?? What crime? you would protect some of the most worthless scum on the face of this earth

            wE WOULD, GUILTY AS CHARGED, WE WOULD PROTECT YOU

  • CJ

    How can anybody support a congress who passes a bill before it is even written? Any supporters of this type of government HAVE to be on drugs! If they are, you can’t believe anything they say, so it only makes sense. We are in big trouble when the guidelines (Constitution) are ignored. Only chaos will exist, and this looks pretty chaotic.

    • Smilee

      IT WAS WRITTEN AND POSTED ONLINE SINCE CHRISTMAS, THE SECOND BILL WAS WRITTEN AND POSTED ON LINE FOR 72 HOURS BEFORE IT WAS VOTED ON IT. THIS SHOWS HOW OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY YOU ARE

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        BUDDY YOUR THE ONE OUTTA TOUCH IF YOU THINK, THAT JUST BECAUSE 3200 WAS POSTED AS THE FINAL BILL???___CRIPS THEY CAN CHANGE IT 600 TIMES OVER TIL IT PASSES AND NOT EVEN RESEMBLE THE ORIGNAL__WHY DON’T YOU GO BACK TO YOUR PLAYPEN!!

        • Smilee

          angel-wanna-be

          wanna be, better clean up your language if you ever hope to be an angel.

          HR 3200 was not the final bill and is dead and was not voted on, it was the senate bill they voted on, it was passed by the senate (60-39) on 12/24/09 has been on their site since, the reconciliation bill was posted online 72 hours before they voted on it, then they took three votes, one on procedures and one on each of these two bill and all got enough votes to pass, maybe when you get old enough you can get out of your playpen by yourself and circulate with us grown ups, see you then and hopefully you will be better informed by that time. GOOD LUCK

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            you are guillible!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Smilee, now be nice, they really don’t know any better. They have been indoctrinated by the repub talking points for so long that their cognitive thinking is filled with errors. They are more likely to make incorrect inferences from evidence and to hold contradictory ideas that result from compartmentalized thinking. They also accept insufficient evidence if it supports their beliefs. They would suspend the Constitutional guarantees of liberty such as the Bill of Rights, in a second if they could kill the Democratic Party. They tend to be ethnocentric and prejudiced against racial and ethnic minorities as shown Sunday, when they were yelling racial slurs and spitting on Congressmen. Their own leaders cannot control themselves as demonstrated in the House, when they yelled out “Baby Killers”. They demand respect for themselves, but give it to only like minded individuals. Their leaders count on the fact that if they mis-speak or mis-state the facts, the RWA’s won’t mind them backtracking. So be kind, as they need some good examples of respect.

          • Smilee

            EYES

            I’M SORRY I JUST CAN’T HELP MYSELF IT IS JUST TOO MUCH FUN, DESPITE THEIR BEST EFFORTS THEY COULDN’T STOP OBAMA, WHAT A DAY!!!!

          • DaveH

            Yep, much like the mugging victim couldn’t stop the muggers. Sleepy is probably one of those guys who steals candy from kids at Holloween and thinks he’s pretty special.

          • Joe H.

            Hey dopie,
            didn’t you hear your heroine when she said that the bill would be tuned and put together next month??? the college support was NOT in the senate bill. So that means ANYTHING can and will be added!!! the bill that they CLAIM it was was only posted 72 hours before the FINAL vote which was only a couple days ago. get a brain dumbazz!!!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            It’s ok smilee, God made me and already knows I cuss a lil’, thanks for the warning though!

      • Joe H.

        Smilee,
        That was another bill that my Ohio congressman tried to get passed last year was a law requiring any bill be posted for 30 days before its first vote! At least there would be a chance for your reps to read it before they pass it. I know damn well your reps didn’t read 2700 pages in 72 hours and you can’t tell me they did. It is their sworn duty to know what they’re voting on and they aren’t doing you any favors if they don’t!!! if you think they are, then you are so dumb I’m suprised you can even type!!!

        • eyeswideopen

          JoeH, where have you been, the 2700 pages have been posted since the summer. The only new things are the corrections to fix the mess that the Senate created. Holy smoke, no wonder you are all confused. Do you think that the 2700 pages just appeared last week? What have you repubs/conservs being doing since Sept? What is funny, is that some of the best ideas where from the repubs from years ago.

          • Joe H.

            eyestotallyblind and ears too!
            Did you not hear your hero and his heroine BGOTH state that the FINAL bill would be posted 72 hours before the FINAL vote?? Or are you DEAF, dumb, and blind??? WAIT DON’TTELL ME…….Yes to all three!!!!

        • Smilee

          Joe, it was 150 some pages (if that was a book that would amount to about 40 pages, maybe you cannot read that many in 72 hours, but I’m sure there was no congressman who couldn’t) the 2700 page bill was posted in December, I guess that amounts to about 79 days before they voted on it, so what is your real bitch about??????????? DO YOU EVEN KNOW??

          • Joe H.

            My bitch as you put it is even most of the politicos admitted that they hadn’t read the whole thing. That is their JOB!!! I guess you know their mind better than they do!! you three dwarves, sleezy, dopie and azzful along with your wicked witch are so dumb you can’t walk and chew gum at the same time, just the type your hero likes. follow your orders like good little children and when the time comes drink the whole glass of koolaide!!! it’ll help you sleep…for a looonnnngg time!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Smilee, he doesn’t realize it was the repubs who said they couldn’t find the time to read it. lol, lol, lol.

  • Raggs

    The dictatorship known as obama, reid, pelosi all must go!

  • http://URL helena

    Gving People a CHOICE by providing the differens OPTIONS to them is a complete different story than MANDATING which is=to FORCING and penalizing those who refused to make that choice. This sounds to me like what A TYRANT WOULD ENFORCED UPON THE PEOPLE!Let me just finished w/a QUOTE FROM INFAMOUS TYRANTS THEMSELVES:Adolf Hitler; “AS SOON AS BY ONE’S OWN PROPAGANDA,”EVEN A GLIMPSE OF RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE IS ADMITTED”,THE CAUSE FOR DOUBTING ONE’S OWN RIGHT IS LAID” Hello isn’t this what obama IMPOSSED ON THE MAJORITY VOTE THAT SAID NO TO THIS HEALTHCARE NIGHTMARE! He knows these “KIND” WELL: Joseph Stalin; “IT IS ENOUGH THAT THE “PEOPLE KNOW THERE WAS AN ELECTION.THE PEOPLE WHO CAST THE VOTES DECIDE NOTHING” THE “PEOPLE WHO COUNT THE VOTES DECIDED EVERYTHING”!!! May the Lorg of Mercy Righteouness & Love set his GRace upon us, so we can clearly see we are heading toward DISASTER! helena

    • Smilee

      MORE GARBAGE, WHINE, WHINE, WHINE

    • eyeswideopen

      helena, let me help you understand what it really means. It is a tax to make people like Dave, who don’t want to carry insurance on themselves to help pay for those healthcare services, like ambulance, and emergency room, visits that they use, when they get into situations which require government funded assistance. No more free rides for those who don’t want to pay their fair share. Call it a tax for services. If you expect an ambulance to arrive to assist you after an accident, and you refuse to have insurance, why should my premiums and everyone else’s pay for you? Since hospitals are required to save your life, if you get sick at work, or home, why should I have to pay for it? Just look at it as though the Free Ride is over for all of those who bet they won’t get sick and do. Thus leaving you and me to pay for them.

      • Joe H.

        eyessingledshut,
        you harp and harp on DaveH, but give a free pass to the ones that refuse to work and are able. You say the free ride is over but the ride isn’t even slowing down The lazy good for nothing freeloaders will still be getting welfare and getting free healthcare AT YOUR EXPENSE!!! you can’t even prove that Dave has ever cost you one red cent yet you say that he is unconstitutional? You are delusional!!! What about those illegals?? what are you going to do about them? what about the freeloaders I speak of? Are you going to speak out as hard about them?? are you going to try to get them off the free ride?? I don’t know why I ask that as I know the answer already. No you won’t cuz your hero might need them for votes and if you try to get them off it might make them leave and your hero might not get re-elected! You are mindless. I think you lost it a long time ago!!!

        • DaveH

          She trys really hard to put me down, Joe, but let’s face it, she fails at it like she has failed at her life.

          • Smilee

            YOU ARE IN DENIAL DAVIE, SHE HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF PUTTING YOU IN YOUR PROPER PLACE

        • Joe H.

          Hello eyes are you THEREtheretherthe

      • George E

        Eyes,

        It’s my impression that the people who wanted “free” health care insurance supported this bill. I’m pretty sure that a majority of the folks who pay for their health care opposed this bill. If that’s true, and I believe it is, what does that say about this bill?

        • DaveH

          George, you are wasting your time trying to talk logically to the illogical EyesWideShut.

        • eyeswideopen

          George, where do you get the idea it is free? It will be affordable. The poor in this country are already covered by medicaid. The over 65 group is covered by medicare. The working poor who make enough not to qualify for medicaid but not enough to pay the high premiums and their employers do not offer healthcare will be the ones who will be in exchanges that offer low enough premiums that they can afford. The whole idea is to get everybody to contribute to the healthcare costs. It is to stop people from taking risks and betting that nothing will happen to them and then when it does, walk away and leave those who are insured holding the bill/paying higher and higher premiums. Think of it as homeowners insurance. The whole state of Fl and not just the coastal areas pay for hurricane insurance as the hurricane can it anywhere. However since the coastal area are more exposed and vunerable they pay a higher rate for coverage. We don’t let those in the middle of the state not pay as they may be hit. Everybody also pays money into our CAT fund to help offset areas hit who don’t have as high premiums as the coast. We all pay our premiums depending on where we live, plus we pay into fund to help out any area hit. This will stop people from gambling, losing and then sticking the costs on those who realize that chances are you will get sick or in an accident in your life time, and it will probably be expensive. I believe that if people are so rich they don’t want to pay for insurance, they should be able to post a 200k bond every year pledging to pay for care if they use services of emergency room, ambulance etc. That would be fair. This bill isn’t the end. It will be refined and tweaked until it is working for the majority. If we do nothing, the uninsured will bankrupt us. Keep in mind, it is 30 million working Americans who don’t have insurance.

          • George E

            Eyes

            I don’t think this health care will be free. Actually, I think it’ll turn out to be a lot more expensive than what we have when all costs (premiums, taxes, quality of care, adding additional people to the program, no pre-conditions, etc.) are added up. That’s primarily because the government doesn’t know how, and has no incentive to innovate new technologies and improve productivity/efficiency like the private sector has. I just think that most people, who “think” they’ll get “free” health care, supported this bill. In time, they’ll find out there’s no free lunch…..

  • Barb

    My state is one that is suing!!! My first action yesterday was to email our Governor and urge him to, as did several 1000 others! By mid-morning our Attorney General made the announcement! It may not accomplish what we would like but we aren’t going down quietly either!!! Last I heard 38 states were going to do this. AND Obama & Pelosi both had the audacity to say that this bill was the will of the American people??!!!??? Of course they were obviously both drunk off their butts at the time, so what do you expect!

    • s c

      Good for your state, Barb! As for pelosi and reid (and every damned anarchist in Washington), you need to understand that when they talk about the ‘will of the American people,’ they’re talking about Congress and the White House. They do NOT mean us.
      They speak a calculated, substitute English. They re-define words on a daily basis (ref. hope, change and transparency). This is how Obummer can speak out of both sides of his mouth daily, yet he can’t read very well at all when he’s shilling with a teleprompter.

    • Randy Michigan

      you are all in the minority, come election time those who elected Obama because he promised Health care reform in his campaign will re-elect him for his second term, most Americans want this, contrary to what pundits and Conservatives may tell you, this is why he was elected.

      • Smilee

        COULD NOT AGREE MORE

        • Randy Michigan

          Do you remember? ALL that he said he would do, he will try to do, the Republicans and racist Tea Baggers will try to stop him so they can say he is a failure and a socialist. Those who can not change and adapt to new changes will not survive as a species, a race or a party. the Constitution is not perfect but it can be amended like our fore fathers intended. Except change Tea Baggers and Republicans or your destined to fail. I can see Communist China Kicking our a$$e$ and they will be saying to themselves how narrow minded we were, that we did not have the guts to control our precious Capitalism to enforce needed regulation so the Greedy companies would not destroy our country. Let history speak for itself, The most powerful civilization that there ever was was not the U.S.A., it was Rome, Rome was not conquered by any nation it fell from within from it own Greed and those who made themselves rich.

          • eyeswideopen

            Randy, you are right, he promised to do healthcare reform prior to being elected. The repubs/conservs didn’t think he would have the nerve to do it……Guess what he does have some big ones doesn’t he? LMAO. People on this site have been so positive that it could never pass. They are used to congress sitting on their hands for 12 years, so the shock is probably pretty big.

          • Joe H.

            yeah he’s got big ones only problem is he stole them from eyes!!!!

          • George E

            Eyes,

            Republicans and conservatives thought Obama would “play” by the established rules, and would yield to the will of the majority of Americans so that he might be re-elected. As it turned out, they were wrong, and now they have a better understanding what they’re dealing with. Obama really doesn’t care whether he gets re-elected so long as he advances this socialist agenda. Apparently, he’s willing to violate the Constitution when necessary to get what he wants, and that’s a very dangerous precedent. You’ll understand this more clearly when the Republicans regain the majority in Congress and the White House and they feel that they can follow the same rules as this administration has established. You’ll see the tyranny then, like we see it now. That’s why “process” does matter, not just results.

          • DaveH

            Obama is going to be a one-termer just like Jimmy Carter was. Most of the voters, fortunately, aren’t as ignorant as you Liberals.

          • eyeswideopen

            George, are you talking about the highest number of filabuters in our history, or the reconcilations that the repubs used or the deem and pass that they used or the 100 executive orders that they used??? The Dems are now using the repubs governing ways and the repubs don’t like it. Listen, George, the parties have usually worked together, however with this president, prior to him even passing the stimulus, the repubs stated that they would vote no on everything he tried to pass. They stated that if they could stop healthcare it would be his “waterloo”, meaning he would fail as a President. That is the first time in our history that a political party wanted a president to fail and verbally publized that very fact. They didn’t care that we were in the midst of an economic crisis at the time. They are a bunch of ego manics who were pissed off and whose only goal is to get back into power, regardless of the cost to the country. Selfish men who think that they are the only ones who know the right thing to do. Arrogance is obvious in every statement they make. I have a question for you, why didn’t we see this anger over the wall street bailout? Just for you info, today Bernie Sanders a true declared socialist, was asked if Obama was a socialist and he laughed out loud and said no, sadly he isn’t even close to being one.

          • George E

            Eyes,

            The filibusters that the Republicans used were within the established rules of the Senate. This is a well known and understood action which both parties have used over the years to slow down or amend legislation by the majority.

            Republicans said they wanted Obama’s “policies” to fail, not Obama per se. We are just so offended by his “big government” solutions to everything, and his unwillingness to bring the opposition into the discussion to help craft legislation. What else would you expect a responsible opposition party to do, but what the Republicans are doing? If the Democrats had worked with Republicans instead of steamrolling legislation over them, I’m pretty sure that some of the Republicans would have gone along with him, even though they don’t think these are the correct priorities for America right now.

            If you’re referring to the TARP bill, it’s true this was initiated by GWB. There was some debate at the time about the wisdom of doing this, but a majority supported it because it was thought if we let our financial institutions fail, the whole economy could fail as well. If you will recall, these were not give away “bail-outs”, but were loans, which most has already been repaid. It may turn out that we decide this program wasn’t necessary in reflection, but it was far from the kind of give aways that Obama and Congress have enacted over the past year.

            Since you mentioned the “stimulus” bill, I’ll say that it poisoned the well from the start between Obama and the Republicans. He strong armed Congress to get it passed, saying the economy would collapse and unemployment would go above 8% if it weren’t passed immediately. As it turned out, he got the money, but it wasn’t spent quick enough to actually help the economy, so unemployment went over 10% anyway, and the worst of it for many of us was that a lot of the money will be given to pet projects of the Democrats and their campaign donors. This is an inefficient and corrupt way of spending the money, in my opinion.

            Eyes, I believe you have aligned yourself with one of the most corrupt, self-indulgent, partisan, socialist administrations in our nation’s history. I urge you to be as objective as you can when assessing their actions, regardless how you feel about Republicans. These guys are leading us into insolvency where none of these socialized programs which are already in place can be supported, not to mention our national defense, etc.

          • Smilee

            By 2012 this courageous act to pass this health care bill will get him reelected by a landslide because by then people will understand how good it is and his reelection will be the equivalent of a big collective “THANK YOU” from the voters

          • eyeswideopen

            So, George, you were willing to let the Medicare program bankrupt us? If you don’t reform it, it will eat us alive. Do you agree with the Medicare Advantage Act?

          • eyeswideopen

            George, what exactly do you consider the statement that repub Jim Demint made, about healthcare being Obams’s Waterloo? Rush specifically said he wanted Obama to fail, just as Glen Beck, Dick Armey, Dick Cheney, Tom Delay, Ann Coulter (who by the way was stopped from giving speech today in Canada, because of the hate she spews.) and I could go on for days listing those who stated they wanted him to fail. They want the power back and will do and say anything to try and get back in office.

          • George E

            Eyes,

            Conservatives and Republicans want Obama’s Marxist “policies” to fail. If his policies fail, will Obama have failed as well? If Obama suddenly turned moderate or conservative (which will not happen), Republicans and conservatives wouldn’t be nearly as vocal in their disapproval of him. He would get a lot more cooperation, but he really doesn’t want that. His objective is to drive a hard-left agenda as quickly as he can while he has a “super majority” in both Houses of Congress. He knows that after the November elections he will not be able to ramrod these kinds of programs through any longer. If he were a true democrat he wouldn’t have pushed this healthcare bill through either since a majority of Americans didn’t want it in its present form. But he’s apparently more concerned with serving his hard-left ideology than serving the will of the people.

            Ann Coulter was not stopped because of the “hate she spews” but because the leftist students in Canada threatened to riot if the university allowed her to speak. University officials decided to yield to the demands of their students. This is just another great example of the left trying to stifle free speech………..

          • eyeswideopen

            George, why do you think they didn’t want her to speak? Because she promotes hate and use facts. Wasn’t it the right of the students to object to what they didn’t believe in? George did you take the RWA test? http://politicalcompass.org/test You don’t seem to be as radical as most, however this will let you know if you are.

          • eyeswideopen

            George, what marxist policy has passed? This was reform to a law that has been in existance since 1965. It isn’t anything new. What new policy other than the stimulus to save the country has he passed?

  • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

    36 states are already compiling lawsuits to fight against Obamacare, including our own state, which surprises the hell outta me, this is a predominately Democratic State. In American history, We’ve never had a ANY Administration create a law, to force the American people to buy goods or service, let alone threaten us with fines and/or imprisonment if we don’t comply_Let the States handle Healthcare on a smaller scale__If Obamacare is as great as it’s being presented, then I say, lets get the Obama Administration and Congress & Senate on Obamacacre as well__If it’s good enough for us, then it’s good enough for them.__We’re sick and tired of being thrown under the bus, bya bunch of money hungry politicians__Regardless If these lawsuits stop Obamacare or not__in any case “WE’LL REMEMBER, IN NOVEMBER!

    • Barb

      You are so right Angel! We will remember in November, however Pelosi seems to think it’s soooo far away that we’ll completely forget this raping and vote all her cronies right back in again. This is what is leading? our country folks, she actually said that! That’s why I say she had to be drunk, what else could it be? Insanity maybe? Or maybe just plain old stupidity and arrogance on her part. Actually I vote for all the above!

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        Barb, the thing that irritates the hell-outta mne, is this Administrations ego-maniac arrogance, at those of us who pay their damn salaries__they ignored everything from our voice on the recession, to our voices against Obamacare__as if Obamacare was life threatening matter, that needs to be addressed today __Give me a break!____the sad thing is that Obama Administration has a cult, not a Country, and these adoring followers of theirs are right where the Dems want them, and thats believing, in everything that they do!__and that’s exactly why they’re going to tackle Amnesty next, because like I’ve posted before, the Dems are gonna need, all the friggin votes they can get and it will also give the dems time to dumb the illegals down too, like they’ve tried to do to us!__You’re damn right we’ll Rememberin November___

        • Barb

          Yes, Amnesty is our next big fight. We have to pull together and not let them get away with that! We need to work together ALL of us who want to save our country, no matter what we call ourselves, we have to fight together to stop them if we are to win! Our country first, our petty little differences can be put aside at least for a while, right? We really aren’t that far apart to begin with. We can’t let Obama keep getting his way!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            I just contacted our Governor as well and asked for his support in our states fight against Obamacare__I guess time will tell, he’s a Democrat, but those that filed the suit are Republican.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Barb, there will always be disagreements, some folks like me are more passionate about it than others,( cuz I’ll tell ya I get PO-ED about it) but if we all believe in “DON’T TREAD ON ME”, then we have to stick together and bombard those who will listen, with our dismay and yeas___the problem is is getting these suckers to listen!!

          • Joe H.

            Barb,
            how could you tell she was drunk? She never sobers up to show the difference. She took over for Teddy Kennedy!! If they dig him up twenty years from now he will look the same as the day they buried him, WELL PRESERVED!!!!!

          • Smilee

            Joe

            Kennedy was dry for many years before he died, no alcohol in that body

          • Joe H.

            Bull!!! He drank up to a month before he dies even the MSM reported that!!

          • Smilee

            JOE.

            SENATOR ORRIN HATCH SAID HE HAD NOT HAD A DRINK IN ALMOST TWENTY YEARS BEFORE HE DIED, BEFORE HE GOT REMARRIED, HATCH IS A REPUBLICAN

          • Michael J.

            JoeH,
            Question: How many Kennedy’s does it take to change a light bulb?
            Answer: 4, one to climb the ladder with a bulb and three to drink enough gin to make the room spin.

      • eyeswideopen

        Barb, they will keep going, education, energy, immigration, climate change, so many things were not addressed during the time when the repubs could have done something positive. Sorry, but this country is in bad shape and progress will not be stopped by a bunch of name calling, spitting hypocrites.

        • Joe H.

          turncoatedeyesshut,
          the only spitting I saw was the liberals spitting on the troops coming back from RVN. You really are in good company. Dam you pick winners. Course you DO fit right in!!!

        • DaveH

          EyesWideShut, you are a proven liar. Why do you think anybody, who thinks with more than their Lizard Brain, would listen to your worthless words?

          • eyeswideopen

            DaveH, They have film of the congressman being spit on, and the police put the man in handcuffs. The congressman decided not to press charges. You really should stop watching Fox, they don’t give you the real story. I suppose that “Baby Killer” wasn’t yelled at Stupak during his speech? That was also caught on tape. Denial, denial and misinformation is your mantra.

          • Smilee

            A full unedited CSpan caught it all and what was most disturbing was the crowd cheered, the spitter was isolated and the name callers were too but the cheering of the crowd sure showed mass approval of it, I think it said a lot about the character of the self identified teabaggers that organized it.

          • Joe H.

            the only teabagger I see on this site is you four!!!

          • Smilee

            EYES, JOE IS NOW CALLING US TEABAGGERS, HE HAS TOTALLY FLIPPED OUT NOW, UNBELIEVABLE, UNBELIEVABLE

          • eyeswideopen

            JoeH, I call it the tea party, after you all informed me that teabaggers was an insult. So don’t slander me for that. I do show respect, even though you can’t.

    • Joe H.

      Angel,
      36?? that can’t be!!! thyat would be a majority and the three dwarves above say we’re in the minority!!!!

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        Yep, that’s how many fox news said filed for it yesterday, but I don’t know how many passed it yet though__we can’t go down without a fight!!!

  • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

    Now i guess I’ll be put on some kind of terror watch list, because i disagree with Obama__LOL

    • Barb

      Frankly I was never prouder to be an American than when Nappy called us all Gray Haired Terrorists!! If that is what we are then so be it! I will gladly terrorize the libs every day! And I’ve ALWAYSbeen proud to be an American unlike our esteemed self proclaimed Queen Michelle who has only been proud now for a couple of years! Speaking of Nappy on one of the other sites it was brought up that she is asking for Russia to help quell our insurgency! If this is true that shows us two major things! ONE: they are scared to death of US the PEOPLE of America and TWO: They KNOW the military will be with us!!!!! Like I said we will prevail, we have too much GOOD on our side! Not to mention brains, fortitude, work ethic, determination, team work, did I mention brains?, skill, ingenuity, patience, MONEY, and sheer numbers of fed up Americans loyal to a free America!

      • Randy Michigan

        Barb are you a Racist? Let me tell you something, the White supremacy days are OVER! People like you are getting set for extinction. White people are the minorities in the American population now, your kind of hateful banter will energize minorities to vote,do you know what party the minority identifies itself with, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Obama will be re-elected for the very same reason. People such as yourself will not be needed, there are far more whites that will vote for him than the Racist [offensive word removed]. by the way I am White.

        • Smilee

          SOUNDS LIKE BARBIE IS ANGRY

        • Joe H.

          randy,
          Yeah it will now be Obummer supremacy. Wait till you find your messiah blocking any voting against him by calling martial law!! Wait till people are locked up because they defended this country on foreign soil and he considers them terrorists!!! I’m to be considered a terrorist because I fought in RVN????? Your first love eyes says she was there too, so I guess she should be worried too. Or do you think that just because you support him you’ll be exempt??? You are trained to use a weapon therefore you are a threat!!! you three are sooooo stupid!!!!!

          • Randy Michigan

            Like I said before, all you gun loving people are so worried about your rights being taken away should not worry, you are all delusional. I will tell you this, If my country becomes what you are so afraid it will become Republicans and Conservatives wont be the only Americans pissed off, I am Democrat and I will be by your side in that fight, I don’t want any of your rights taken and I will die to defend it. All the scare tactics and lies wont convince me that it will be my own government, use some individual intelligence and stop acting like a nut case.

          • Joe H.

            Baaaaaa Baaaaaa sheeple!!!!

    • DaveH

      You should be! How dare you demand to make your own choices about your own body and your own money. Don’t you know the Government knows what’s best for you?

      There is one shining light in this cloud. Thanks to the Democrats, I am starting to accept death as a desirable thing.

      Let’s get our Freedom Back! Vote Libertarian!

      • DaveH
      • Smilee

        AND LOOSE FOR SURE, HAS A LIBERTARIAN EVER WON?? I THOUGHT THEY WERE ALL LOSERS, THAT’S BECAUSE YOU MAKE SUCH A GREAT SPOKESMAN FOR THEM

        • eyeswideopen

          Smilee, find me a country that has tried Libertarian policies and survived to talk about it. That totally free market concept is what will kill it every time. Human nature is greedy and must be controlled to prevent abuse. If you could change human nature, then they would have a chance.

          • Smilee

            TRUE TRUE

          • Joe H.

            eyes,
            you have finally revealed yourself. you have never served this country!!! With that human nature comment you have revealed yourself to be a raving COMMUNIST!!!!! They must be controlled???? Thank You Commerade!!!

          • George E

            Eyes,

            “Human nature is greedy?” Do you mean like those people who want “free” health care to be paid for by someone else? Is that the kind of greedy people you’re referring to? Whose job is it to keep that kind of greed under control?

          • DaveH

            Ok, The United States of America. That is, before it became overrun by thieving, controlling Liberals.
            EyesWideShut, try Hong Kong. Their government consumes only 15% of GDP, less than half that which our government consumes.
            And even when our Government consumes so much of our GDP, you Liberals admit that our economy is failing. Yet, your lack of intelligence prompts you to push for even more. Unbelievable.
            Why is it that the Ignorant People are always the ones who want to impose their life-choices on other people?

          • DaveH

            Can’t you do any better EyesWideShut, then to make groundless fabricated statements?

          • eyeswideopen

            Georg, no, I mean the Wall Street Barons, who stole us blind. Greed prevented them from obeying the regulations that they should have. DaveH, was right, we had regulation that should have prevented this mess, but greed stopped ethical behavior and the train ran through the station at full blast. Have you forgotten all that money we forked over already? Human nature is greedy. Does your chuch lock up its collection dish or does it leave it out in the open? The rich will steal just as easily as the poor will, and recently we got to see that they will steal from each other (Madoff). I will find you some more ponzi schemes for your review of the greed.

          • eyeswideopen

            George,Here are some more examples of our “human greed”.
            http://www.alternet.org/economy/146027/how_our_entire_economy_became_a_ponzi_scheme

          • George E

            Eyes,

            You’re right that people, regardless of their economic situation, will steal from each other under the right situation. That’s why it’s important for our government to use their power of oversight wisely. Looking back, I think we can see failures in this regard by the past two administrations, Congress, and the Federal Reserve, to mention just a few, that helped incentivize poor behavior by many, including those large financial institutions, and poor folks who got home loans they couldn’t afford. What I’m really saying, is that I believe our government was at the heart of the cause that created the financial crisis, not those “feeding at the trough” that government established and used to further its agenda.

          • Joe H.

            george,
            no googleeyes wouldn’t take the profit from wall street, she would donate it all to charity…Yeah Wright!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave DAVE DAVE, I was hoping you would use HOng Hong, so I could make sure that you knew that they have FREE EDUCATION, FREE MEDICAL, FREE EXTERNAL SECURITY PROVIDED BY ANOTHER COUNTRY. They have massive public works, combined with extensive social welfare spending. Subsidized housing, no competition for utility companies. All their land is owned by government who leases it to the masses and controls it’s value…nothing like free market housing in other nations where housing prices rise and fall. They also have a youthful workforce, which means less for pension spending. Just the 3 areas of education, medical and subsidized housing makes them more of a socialist country than the UK. Your buddy Milton Friedman missed those BIG facts, when he was trying to convince everybody that Hong Hong was libertarian.
            Today, they had to close down the city due to polution levels. http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=284&Itemid=34%20
            Their markets also have a regulatory and physical infrastructure and the country is moving towards democracy.

      • JeffH

        Well the libs are pulling a train through this subject. Smilee is the lead with eyes in the middle with it’s nose up Smilee’s glutias and Randy Michigan just like Charmin, wiping up the rear. Let them have their day, afterall, they certainly deserve each other.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          JEFF H.__ROFLMAO!!!___NICE ONE!!

        • Smilee

          Silly boy Jeff, The train left the station today under its own power and on track, sorry you missed it, well you now should have the time to work on your vocabulary whule you are waiting on the next chain

          • Joe H.

            jeffH,
            I guess with that answer from smilee you were right he just said the “train” just left under its own power!! HAHAHAHAHOHOHOHOHEHEHEHE!!! Thank you smilee for such a good laugh!!! What a fool!!!! you sure you aren’t dennislo???? Either that or you are twins!!!

          • DaveH

            What is “whule” Mr. Vocabulary?

      • eyeswideopen
        • Joe H.

          thanks for more proof to my theory!!! communisim doesn’t allow religeon!!!!

      • eyeswideopen

        Please do, that will split the vote.

  • http://gmail i41

    One of the dems spoksmen confirmed dems main “the annointed One” is a socialist. Well hot dog, no wonder since 2006 when the dems took over the Congress our freedoms have seclined. Then retards that put the dems and Nappy in office, appartently love Karl Marx and dictators take away rights and freedoms. More of the muslim way, no hope and determental change!!

    • Randy Michigan

      What Rights exactly have been taken away, I am curious, can you name any? I believe that you have not really lost anything, have you? Hey if I am wrong, what proof, what real proof is there, if I am wrong please enlighten me?

      • Smilee

        YES THEY HAVE, THEY LOST THE FREEDOM TO ACT LIKE CHILD ALL THEIR LIVES, WHINE AND CRY YOU KNOW

      • eyeswideopen

        Randy, they have lost the right to saddle you and I with their healthcare costs, because they don’t want to buy insurance.

        • Joe H.

          eyespayedshut,
          no that will not stop. I have five more years till I collect medicare. I have enough funds to quit now and go on the dole for those five years. If I divorce then I can go on welfare and you will still be paying for MY healthcare!!! And to piss you off it would almost be worth it!! As a matter of fact I could go on full disability right now if I wanted and make you start paying for my health care real soon!!!!! I have been told by five different Dr.s to do it, maybe it’s time I listened just to piss you little worthless turds off!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            JoeH, you probably already are and lying about it to make yourself feel better, and you don’t want those on site to look down on you, so if you can live with yourself, so be it. Your integrity is already suspect, as you can’t even be civil with anyone who isn’t a RWA. I can get just as nasty as you all do, as I have been a republican for long that those nasty, accusing, arrogrant ways come back easily. Heck, I even fired a guy who was a democrat and I didn’t like what he was saying during the 2000 election. I have been raised just like the rest of you were and it is a hard thing to break away from. But that is my goal. So far I have been able to refain from calling you names, but the urge is there.

          • Joe H.

            Eyeslyingeyes,
            YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN A REPUBLICAN, NEVER DUDE!!! MUST BE CONTROLLED?? COMMUNIST!!!

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        RANDY ___YOU’D BETTER COUGH UP YOUR BANK ACOUNT NUMBERS BUDDY, CUZ THE BUREACRATS ARE GONNA NEED IT TO TAP YOUR ACCOUNT MONTHLY,TO PAY FOR HEALTHCARE___ AN OH YEAH, YA’D BETTER WATCH OVER YOUR GRANDMA__ MY MOTHER WAS ON A MANAGED CARE PLAN IN THE 80′S_90′S__IT WAS ALL RATIONED FRIEND, EVERYTHING THEY USED INCLUDING Q-TIPS WERE RATIONED!___ YOU’D BETTER HOPE LIKE HELL YOUR DOCTOR ISN’T ONE OF THE ONES THROWING IN THE TOWEL OR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY WILL END UP WITH A VETRINARIAN INSTEAD OF A REAL DOCTOR.___BECAUSE IN OUR AREA, IT’S ALREADY STARTED WITH FOOT DOCTORS CLOSIN DOWN____AT 72 YOU MAY NEED A PACEMAKER, BECAUSE YOU LIKE LIFE, AND YOU WANNA KEEP LIVING LIFE TO THE FULLEST, BUT IF YOUR, BUREAUCRATS IN WASHINGTON AND’OR YOUR DOCTOR DOESN’T AGREE OR THEY THINK YOUR TOO OLD TO WARRENT IT, YOUR NOT GETTIN IT,__IT AIN’T GONNA BE ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT!__CUZ WASHINGTON SAYS THEY KNOW WHATS BEST FOR US!_____ YEAH, THEY SAY, YOU CAN STAY WITH YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANY, THAT IS, UNTIL THE PUBLIC OPTION UNDERCUTS YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANY AND A SALE SIGN APPEARS ON THE DOOR, BECAUSE THEY CAN’T COMPETE___WERE WE WARNED THAT SOCIALIZED MEDICINE WOULD BE PASSED OFF AS AN HUMANITARIAN EFFORT FOR YEARS___PROBLEM YOU YOUNG LIBBY SNIPS ONLY HEAR WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR!___AND YOU FELL FOR IT, HOOK, LINE AND SINKER!__ AND NOW YOU’LL FIND OUT__THE PROBLEMS HAVEN’T STARTED YET, THEY WON’T FOR A WHILE__ SO YOU KEEP REVELING IN YOUR SO CALLED WIN__i’LL CHECK BACK IN A COUPLE YEARS AND ASK HOWS THAT HOPEY CHANGEY SH*t WORKIN OUT NOW!

        • Randy Michigan

          The whole world has health care for their citizens only the dumb a$$e$ in this country will buy their own and when they need it they are told that they are being dropped because they are costing the company too much money, we take too much of their profits when we get sick so they jack up our rates. Do not be naive, all private health care providers ration the care so they can make a profit, there is no incentive for profit with public health care, no bonuses to the fat cats at the top, no more outrageous medical bills for the life saving treatments we need. I don’t care about any of these insurance companies or the politicians that back them, they can all disappear.

          BTW my father has Cancer, he has health care and he still has thousands of dollars in medical bills. That is plain EVIL! and you defend the very same people who charge him to live, check your heart and ask yourselves if your on the right side, all I know is Jesus would not charge my father, would you?

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Randy___I’m sorry your father has Cancer,__ my brother died of it, my mother was ill from the time she was 11,__I took care of her from the time I was 7 til she 76___I seriously doubt, that Government run healthcare would have supported her one trip in the hospital, when the total cost was tallied at $365,000?___she was an extremly unusual case.__ My Dad’s gone too, I was suppose to have been the abortion and lived to buried them all___I know about bills, Randy, my husband and I almost lost everything we owned caring for the sick, we are still digging out financially after 20 years of it, and We had child on drugs as well for five years to boot__My folks had low level healthcare because they couldn’t afford it after Dad lost most of his benefits___we didn’t run to the Government, we toughed it out. He retained his pension and that’s all__As cold as this may sound, No amount of good or bad Healthcare insurance, my friend, saved my parents or brother, when God called them home___When they get sick, you do the best that you can, with what you have to work with__Having a Cadillac insurance plan or no insurance won’t save them. You rely on the strength of family and alot of prayer__somehow you get through it__At 38 I was told I have a rare glaucoma, one of 5 in the states that they know of, and told I would go blind from it___five surgeries lets me type with some mistakes, but i’ve even managed to go back to my first love of fine art water color__my point is, it was mine and my doctors decsion, there was no middle man, ___Whether it’s Government run or private, There is no way on Gods green earth you can contain health care costs__the only way to control it, is to ration the care__for example: My Dad had 100 days for in hospital care on Medicare. After that was used, I had to pay $150 dollars a day just for his bed in a nursing home, that didn’t include the cost of rehab, meds, iv’s catheters,___another point is that, that 100 days of in hospital care was rationed, he was placed on hospice and in 24 hours he was gone. Obamacare isn’t going to contain the cost either, if they do they will do it through rationing, there is no other way. They will deem what care and how much care is warrented.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            God Bless Randy.

          • eyeswideopen

            angel, I am so sorry, that your life has been so hard, due to the healthcare issues in this country. You could be the poster child of why we need reform. Your parents should have been able to purchase affordable insurance, which would have freed you from their debts. I would think that you wouldn’t want your children to have to face the same situation that you did. No family should go bankrupt because someone gets sick. I will say a prayer for you tonight that your life gets easier and your eyesight doesn’t rapidly change.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            eyeswide open__Thank you,__My mother didn’t abort me although her life hung in the balance and many years later, she begged me not to put her in a home__I wouldn’t have done that anyway, and didn’t__It was my choice, she was my mother___As far as, health care goes, the healthcare insurance was HMO managed care. it was rationed care, and we had to fight it tooth and nail___ the only way the insurance company would pay the $365,000, was, at that time, we had a great doctor, who went to bat for us and we won the case.__ They payed it, that time, but said this would be the only time, if she had to have the procedure again, we’d be liable for it.__Thankfully she didn’t___ ___In my opinion, It would do far better, to put in place a service that help the people who care for loved ones that are seriously ill. The problem comes when caring for the sick and working outside the home becomes impossible, when there is no one else to help and when people are to sick for daycare__Which was the situation we were in__ My husband was the only one working. That’s why we got into financial trouble, his pay wasn’t enough to cover everything and the fact my mother was sick for so long. I was a professional artist, but had to keep canceling shows and finally closed the buisness, I was only on the books for 4 years, but was closed more than open.___By the time I had the time to get back to art, I couldn’t see well enough to do it, until my surgeries____ ___Well I found out, that Nothings fair eyes, there’s no never never land, it’s the way it is, I knew that at 7__ I played out the hand of cards I was dealt, It’s all good and sides the good Lord only gives it to those who can take it____and I’m a pretty srong SOB for a woman___lol___Annnnnyway_we all have our views on here__I can get pretty p*ssy about America, I love her and what she is and what she stands for__I’m sure we all care about America, in our own way___ My whole point is eyes, rationed health care is, rationed care__and if you run across someone like my mother was, the insurance company will cut you off,(unless you have a doctor willing to go to bat for you) it makes no difference the rhyme or reason__you will have to fight like hell for everything needed for the sick, Obamacare is not going to be any different. we found out the hard way, that paying an insurance preminum only gives you the right to fight for your care or the care of the sick. ___Now, We on the other hand have a great plan, five surgeries in two years__I was liable for one surgery when my husband got laid off, because the bill came through after cobra ended__ $4500, but the bill was reduced to $1500 when they found out I had no insurance__American people also need to negociate or barter, as well with doctors and the medical industry__you can get farther with negociation rather than a lawsuits___I also recieved medicines for my Dad before he died free and directly through the drug companies, but you have to research them__Bottom line is, I learned from the seat of my pants,__we must ask questions, stay informed about our own healthcare, and those we care for_ it changes constantly____ it’s tough out there___God Bless

      • DaveH

        The Right to make our own choices about our own money and property. Liberals are no better than muggers and thieves. No, I take that back. They’re worse! First they mug you, then steal your property, and then they try to take the moral high ground. At least common thieves know they’re doing wrong. Liberals are too Ignorant to know that.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          I’m not sure I got my point across DaveH__Obamacare isn’t going to be any different than any other managed care insurance__It’s not a pay for it, forget it thing

        • Randy Michigan

          NUT CASE!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            I’m a nut case, because I chose to do it my way, huh?__if you think Obama’s the messiah and gonna save, you are sadly mistaken__It’s all the individual, you can take your licks lying down or fight it___yeah I had it tough, but Government and entitlement programs not what got me through it___I’ll be a nut case any day, compared to a closed minded liberal.

        • Smilee

          DAVIE, YOU MAKE ME FEEL SO GOOD ABOUT BEING A LIBERAL, IN YOUR EYES YOU THINK I’M FOR TAKING BY WHAT YOU CALL LEGAL THEFT YOUR MONEY AWAY FROM YOU, KNOWING IT IS YOUR MONEY FEELS SO GOOD

  • ONTIME

    There is already 17 states in the process of filing suit against the fed government over the passage of this hoax called health care, it has nothing to do with health, it has everything to do with with taxation, your civil liberty and rights being violated and the Constitution applications being ignored. This congress has overstepped the law of the land and become a non representative goverment with a literal parasite in the white house who is now far more than a POTUS, he is not one of the branches he is telling the government how to run. This Republic no longer has three distinct branches, there is no representation and the MSM has failed to question the motives of this government and properly vet the candidates.

    There is soon to be more states filing, the ability to fulfill the demands of this illegal mandate are far to large for it to be economically feasible, you are witnessing what the founding fathers had set in motion the right to take back your government from the hands of a usurper. The consequences of the oncoming battle is going to become uncivil and the chances of how the government will be safeguarded from such usurpation in the future will become a needed feature. When civility and disobedience of law become the means to put forth edicts there has to be new means to stop this violation.

    • Smilee

      SO, DOUBTFUL ANY WILL WIN THOUGH

      • eyeswideopen

        Smilee, this is going to be treated as a tax, IRS will be collecting and that is why this is not unconstitutional, as Congress has the right to tax. These people don’t really understand the Constitution.

        • Smilee

          AGREED, HOWEVER, I’M SURE CALLING IT A FINE IS ALSO CONSTITUTIONAL

        • George E

          The unconstitutional part, as I understand it, is that the government has no authority to make you buy anything, and this bill violates that rule. I’m sure that if the courts do find that the bill is constitutional, they won’t have any problem finding ways of collecting from us. They’re good at getting our money…..

          • eyeswideopen

            George, earlier in post, I gave link, showing what a law passed by Congress in 1792 required the citizens to purchase. It is not unconstitutional. If they could make us purchase muskets, they can make us purchase insurance.

        • DaveH

          If I call you mentally deficient, EyesWideShut, are you any less Ignorant?
          Your comments get more fallacious by the day. Are you belting Jack Daniels again?

          • eyeswideopen

            nay, Dave, took page out of your book, just not letting ignorant or false statements going unchallenged. You people need to be able to back up your statements with facts. It is good excerise and eventually you will start checking before making statements that aren’t factual…..or stop watching fox news. lol

            You never did respond as to what happened to the libertarian ideology of control over your own body. Ron Paul decided to throw your platform on the ground and stomp on it didn’t he? I was reading alot of your recommended sites, until I came upon that one, and quickly decided, I had already been conned by the repubs, I didn’t need anymore liars involved in trying to get my vote. Libertarians don’t really believe in personal freedoms, or else, they only believe in them for the men. So, they probably, based on your comments, don’t accept gays, or minorities either. That is why your party hasn’t grown very much since the 70′s.

  • chuck b

    we need to organize an resist this mandate, i mean physically resist. if we do not stop this madness we will definitely lose our country and all rights we have left. the republicans in the congress are helpless and always have been, even with a majority they can’t handle the democrats. the repubs have caused this situation by their weakness and the only way out is confront the liberals with the same tactics they use. we can shut down the government and force confrontation. their next move is amnesty for their troops (illegals)and finish applying the cap & trade, then we are lost. they out number us with votes now and conservative minded people will find no mercy with this crowd. there is no strong leader out there for us and maybe we should find one, sarah palin is probably the only one of the top candidate’s that has any idea which end of the barrel a round comes out of, this is serious and if wee don’t move now all will be lost to the queen pelosi and the puppet king.

    • Barb

      If worst comes to worst and it does become physical, we may have more allies than anyone out there is thinking! Just think of all our good friends in the world that Obama has insulted or flat out dissed. Take just a few hours ago when he completely ignored the PM of Israel and then left ‘ol Hillary to do his dirty work. The PM stood his ground and made her look like the fool she is! Great Britain hates him too lots more also, we’re not alone in this, I feel confident in saying that! There are leaders, we just need to be patient, we’ll know when it’s time!

      • eyeswideopen

        Barb, you mean the I quit ex governor, who didn’t even finish her term? That Palin??

      • Joe H.

        Barb,
        Eyes is really losing it now or she is answering things prior to avoid answering what is asked now. I didn’t see any mention of Palin in your last post!!! guess she’s doing too good a job of reading between the lines!!

    • Randy Michigan

      HA! Palin? The Leader of the free world? She will never be Elected, how about Glen Beck as V.P., and Denis Miller as Chief of Staff. Chuck Norris can be the Sec. of War.
      All kidding aside, the FEDS will come and get you for that kind of talk. Do you know conspiring to overthrow the Government is pretty stupid?

      • Joe H.

        Hey, Randy why did you leave TH?? did they whip your azz too much??? Did little randy run crying to mommie???

        • Randy Michigan

          Yes :(

    • Smilee

      CAREFUL CHUCKIE, YOU COULD SHOT

      • DaveH

        Put down that straw, Sleepy, you’re becoming incoherent.

        • eyeswideopen

          DaveH, you sure know alot about drugs, and use the language as though you have had experience doing so. Come on admit it, you did inhale, and your mood swings could be sniffing those pills…crushed of course. LMAO

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            Eyes doesn’t even bother to crush the pills, her liberal nose is so big from getting into others business that she can honk them bad puppies right up!!!

          • Smilee

            YOU KNOW EYES, I THINK YOUR RIGHT, DRUGS IS THE ONLY THING THAT COULD EXPLAIN HIS DOPEY WORDS AND BEHAVIOR, MAYBE THAT IS ALSO—PROBLEM

  • laura

    I just received an e-mail from a friend who lives in Idaho. She is a die hard Democrat. She sent me an article from the New York Times. In that article,the Times completely reassures us that they are left wing, Marxist, Communitarian Socialist. This article mainly speaks about the “lowlife tea baggers ” and the horrible right wing Republican party.The article is called “An Absence Of Class” by Bob Herbert.We’re in for a battle people.The Dems want to shut us up any way possible. What they don’t see is by shutting us up they’re in danger of losing their own rights to speak freely.There are things in that article that aren’t nice but it’s still America and we have the right to say what we feel but I believe those days are numbered.

    • DaveH

      Censorship is the only way they can win. Because when it comes to a battle of principles, they don’t have a chance. They just want other peoples’ money at all costs and they have no real logical way to defend that.

  • http://boblivingtonletter redsoxslar

    The good thing about the health care bill is it could be the end of the Democratic party. Throw the first bunch out in Nov. and the rest in 2012.

  • Bob from Socal

    The people of this country that care about freedom and the constitution need to draw a line in the the sand now. We need to do everything we can to vote these liberals out of office. We need to use every political and legal move to stop them before they can do any more harm to this great country. There are many things going on behind the scenes that we are not being told about. For instance Janet Napolitano requesting troops from other countries to help put a stop to American public unrest. What about the 7.8 Trillion dollars yes thats 7.8 Trillion that is missing from the federal reserve after the stimulus bill was passed. There are One World Order fingerprints all over this administration.

    • Barb

      OK I’m going to come right out and ask it. Do any of us really think we are going to be able to have fair, unencumbered, no threat voting in this country while Osama Obama and his Civil Army(THUGS) is in power???????

      • Smilee

        WE CERTAINLY WILL, THOUGHT SURE YOU WOULD AGREE WITH TOO NOW AS ACCORN IS SHUTTING DOWN

        • eyeswideopen

          Smilee, who in the hell will they blame then??? LMAO

        • DaveH

          Sleepy, go to bed. You are babbling.

          • Smilee

            Lost for words again davie

    • Randy Michigan

      Hey, I finally have somebody like me! I think the Obama administration is paying Aliens from planet Reggab aet to cause a distraction in the form of Health reform so he and his Nazi zombie Minorities from Mexico can pass Immigration Reform. Quick Brothers and Sisters of Lunacy to the Tea bag mobile!

      • chuck b

        michigan

        its not the hordes of mexico we worry about, it’s wise ass’s like you. so go lite up some dummy dust and comb your long dirty hair, your poloitical science class is about to start. you probably live in detroit, good example.

        • Smilee

          OH CHUCKIE, YOUR SO RUDE, MOMMY MAY HAVE TO SPANK YOU

          • DaveH

            Get your eyes off chuck’s rear end, Sleepy.

          • Smilee

            Are you jealous davie

        • Randy Michigan

          You worry about intelligent people instead of Illegals, well your a different kind of bagger, you should worry about me and people with intelligence in general because we will NEVER let a President like Bush EVER get elected EVER again, you people and people like you destroyed our country, We need government to regulate and administer proper laws to keep idiots like Bush from running our economy into the ground.

          • eyeswideopen

            Randy/Smilee, take this test and see how you score as far as political and social leanings. http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

          • Smilee

            MIDDLE LEFT LIBERTARIAN, SUSPECT DAVEh WOULD BE FAR RIGHT AUTHORITARIAN, DO YOU THINK I WOULD BE RIGHT??

          • Joe H.

            those two can’t take a test, they haven’t studied for it!!!! At least that’s what they told their Dr. the last time he told them they had to take a urine test!!!!

          • DaveH

            I haven’t seen you make an intelligent statement yet, Randy. How long do I have to wait?

          • DaveH

            And Sleepy, you’re not even remotely close to a Libertarian. Don’t flatter yourself. You are just a plain old thieving, controlling Liberal.

          • Joe H.

            Randy and dopie,
            hows it feel being eyes family??? your answers arew coming a little too close careful!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Smille, I would bet a small fortune that most on this site test the same. RADICAL or RWA’s.

          • Barb

            And you call me racist! Intelligent rather than the illegals? So you are saying illegals aren’t intelligent? That the supreme democrats only are? Sounds like a page right out of a KKK manual to me! GOTCHA!

          • Randy Michigan

            No, that not only Illegals scare you but ALSO INTELLIGENT people.

          • Barb

            NOT HOW I READ IT, RACISIT!

          • Smilee

            daveH

            Go take the test and then tell us what the results are, if you have the courage. I did not design that test and that were the actual results, but then you have a history of being continuously wrong on these sites. I think you are a phony group and not an individual anyway

        • Palin12

          Yeah, Michigan…highest unemployment in the nation, thanks to UAW. I’ve never been in your sorryass state, is there anything worth seeing at all?

          • Palin12

            Oh yeah, come to think of it, I do remember an 0-16 NFL team!

        • Joe H.

          chuck b, —– doesn’t have hair he’s prematurely bald!!! That ain’t the only thing premature about him either, ask eyes!!!

  • Smilee

    March 21, 2010, the day the country got a health care bill after over 100 years of fighting for it and a man named Obama lead us into the land of sanity from out of the wilderness. ALLELUIA, PRAISE THE LORD!!

    • DaveH

      Socialism has failed throughout history.
      Definition of insanity: trying the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.

      • eyeswideopen

        DaveH. LIBERTARIANISM HAS NEVER SUCCEEDED ANYWHERE AT ANY TIME. So,what’s your point? Maybe you should let the people in Denmark, Sweden, etc, know that their form of socialism is not working. They would ask you the same question I have for the last 6 months, where has it ever worked? How or why would you consider anarchy a good end result? Chaos is something normal people want to avoid.

        • Randy Michigan

          We never had a BLACK PRESIDENT EITHER!

          • Barb

            And we still don’t, technically and genetically!

          • Palin12

            isn’t Barack Hussein Obama half-white?

  • chuck b

    smilee

    ah,yes!
    he leadeth them to the land of milk and honey, his radiance shineth over the mass of progressive’s and they rejoice, this day we have won a victory. then tomorrow they findeth the milk is actually curd and the honey is bees wax. alas! we have been blinded by the shinning light and now what shall we do? our anointed one has spent all our treasure and we have been blinded we have not to eat or drink.

  • http://gmail i41

    Smilee, Acorn is still alive under another name. The same staff is still operating it, and still has 30 million dollars and still are going to get more money from egg sucher like Penigare and his thug democrats stooges. Read and watch something beside MSNBC. Just like Tammi Hall became the democrat party, they rigged ballot boxes, stole votes and exterminated their opponents for years. Same group only different name.

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      i41___EXACTLY RIGHT!!!

    • Smilee

      i41

      Quite an imagination you got, bit is it necessary to use all those adjectives, doesn’t show you have a lot of character

      • Joe H.

        so prove him wrong goofball!!!

        • Smilee

          WHY HE DIDN’T ASK ME TO AND YOU NEVER COUNT

    • Smilee

      i41 says:
      March 23, 2010 at 4:39 pm

      You wish, you are so far out in right field we can’t hear you

    • Randy Michigan

      Hey isn’t that the way Bush got his second term?

      • George E

        I’ ve heard Democrats and liberals make claims like that, but have never see any hard evidence to support the claim. Do you have any?

        • eyeswideopen

          George, I posted link.

        • Joe H.

          george,
          I have to warn you, eyes posts things from huff n toke and calls them facts. can you picture huff and puff ever admitting Bush didn’t steal the election??? Sheposted her”proof the other day about Beck and one site said the page was so well hid they couldn’t find it!!! I’m not kidding, Ask Dave H and Stephaan. The other site looked like a third grader put it up!!!

          • Smilee

            WE ARE STILL WAITING UNTIL YOUR OLD ENOUGH FOR KINDERGARTEN

          • George E

            Joe,

            Thanks. I’m certain there is no real “proof” that Bush was the scoundrel that the left asserts that he was. However, I don’t mind asking them to show me where they get their “proof”. They probably wouldn’t believe anything I provide them from Fox News either. It’s very difficult to get real “3rd party unbiased information” to settle arguments like this.

  • http://gmail i41

    Smilee, you are defending your left handed threaded nuts as usual. The Tammi Hall was the start of the democrat party. All dems don’t like to admit that their party has always been a party of thugs and con artists. Pemember American and Republican end with I CAN, Democrats ends in Rats, which ruin and foul up any thing they are around, touch, or are around. Dems like to screw up and foul up any system they touch and foul up our freedoms.

    • Smilee

      TEMPER TEMPER

      GO WORK ON THAT TERRIBLE VOCABULARY YOU SOUND TERRIBLE

      • Barb

        Smilee, Acorn is hiding under an assumed name, much like you are! Obama would never let them close their filthy shops!

        • Smilee

          SILLY GIRL, OBAMA HAS NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT, WHAT NAME, I HOPE SO AS THEY DRIVE THE REPUBLICANS NUTS

          • Barb

            I could think f a few, GIRLY but I’ll stick to the subject. Osama the community organizer Obama is in Acorn up to his Monkey sized ears and he needs their illegal organizing to steal elections. So I say again, he would never let them shut down, either would his puppet master Soros! Now go to the corner cuz I know you are going to be naughty! See I can be just as obnoxious as you!

          • eyeswideopen

            Smilee, these people can’t add. Hasn’t dawned on them that Acorn would have had to register a crap load of people, which they didn’t, they just can’t admit, that people like me a registered repub voted for a black democrat. Whole lot of independents also voted for him. Look at the number of registered repub voters and they should ask question, what happened to our voters? Where did they go? LMAO, Votes running loose.

          • Joe H.

            eyescommiedshut,
            no you don’t get it goofyeyes, if they illegally registered one person its voter fraud every bit as if they illegally registered 50,000 of them. aqnd if they register one that votes then they should go to jail!!! If you weren’t blinded by your heroe glow you could see it too!

    • Randy Michigan

      Republicans are conquerors and murderers, they make us enemies, Democrats are bridge builders and Don’t stab backs! I’ll be a Dem way before I’ll Ever vote Republican again, Clean up your act and build your base and work with Democrats instead of against.

      • chuck b

        michigan

        one thing i really admire about bush, his ability to drive you progressive whackos out of your mind. he did a magnificent job.
        maybe we can get him back.

        • Randy Michigan

          History will say he was a FAILURE!

          • Palin12

            Oh you mean like Jimmy Carter, the peanut farmer?

          • Smilee

            PALIN

            MUCH, MUCH WORSE THAN CARTER

          • Palin12

            Is that why Bush won election twice and carter only once?

      • George E

        Randy,

        Was the Democrats demonstration of bipartisanship on the healthcare bill an example of their “bridge building”? I guess you don’t think they “stabbed backs” when they didn’t listen to the majority of Americans before they made all those special deals behind closed doors to get the remaining Democrat holdouts to vote for the bill? Another way to view Republicans might be “defenders of our freedom,” especially since a majority of your wonderful Democrats voted then and now to support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well…..

      • Barb

        Sorry Randy just saw this gem! Bridge building, huh? Like Osama Obama did yesterday with the Prime Minister of Isreal, one of our best allies? Or how about the bridge he’s built with Great Britain, Australia, and countless other allies that loathe him, HIM, not the USA! Those are quite the bridges, if that’s the bridge building you are talking about, I’ll take the RIGHT way, thanks!

        • Randy Michigan

          The Prime Minister of Isreal is an idiot who wont budge on any issues, not peace until he is gone.

          • Randy Michigan

            Negotiations are part of politics, can’t the Right see that?

          • Barb

            The Prime Minister of Isreal is a far better man than Osama Obama could ever dream of being! And I’m talking about how Obama totally ignored the PM, snubbed him and then had Hillary tell him how to run his OWN Capitol City! Jerusalem incase you didn’t know it is in Isreal, it’s their capitol and they and they alone should be able to do what ever they want in their own city! Obama doesn’t negotiate he dictates to our allies and kowtows to our enemies. You commies are so ignorant it’s pathetic!

          • George E

            Randy,

            If negotiations are an important part of politics, why didn’t Obama negotiate health care with the Republicans?

            From what I can see, the Israelis have been far more flexible in negotiations than the Palestinians have been.

          • eyeswideopen

            George, how many years did you want him to have a dialogue with the repubs??

          • George E

            Eyes,

            The only meeting and dialogue that I’m aware of was the one day meeting held by Obama with Republicans and Democrat Congressmen and Congresswomen about a month ago. Prior to that, Democrats basically told the Republicans what would be in the bill, they didn’t incorporate any of the relevant provisions offered by Republicans. When Republicans asked that Tort reform be included the Democrats started by saying how that wouldn’t really lower health care costs. Then they agreed it would lower cost some and hurt to add it to the bill. Then they decided to not include it in the bill, even though most people wanted it. This was something the Democrats could have included that might have given the bill a tone of bipartisanship, but instead they decided it was best to leave it out to protect one of their biggest campaign contributors. The other major issue Republicans asked for was to open competition for healthcare insurance across state lines. Democrats generally agreed this might help, but decided to leave it out as well. The story goes on and on and on. This bill was anything but a demonstration of cooperation and bipartisanship by the Democrats. This is shocking even though about 2/3’s of the American people wanted to either drop this bill or start over to include more ideas, eliminate government-run healthcare, and air it out thoroughly before the American people before enacting it into law. Instead of doing their do diligence to clean up this bill, they chose to rush it into law. They own it lock, stock. and barrel now, so they’ll get all the glory (if there is any other than short term gloating by their far left base) and all the blame (which should be plentiful when the details become known by the folks).

    • eyeswideopen

      i41, dude, you need to check some history, all these exemplary reppublicans used to be democrats until the 1965 time frame, when they got mad that blacks got the right to vote/ Civil rights act was passed and they all changed parties. OH, how soon they forget. LMAO>

      • Joe H.

        And the dems were the party odf the KKK so what’s your point???

        • eyeswideopen

          Joe, things change, now the repubs are party of kkk. You should never forget your history. Learn from it, but don’t try and rewrite it to make yourself look better. Learn and change. Don’t deny when ugly things happened, work to make sure they never do again. If you are in denial of facts, you will never make changes and will repeat the ugliness. Didn’t you teach this lesson to your children??

          • Joe H.

            yeah wright, just like the dems want the minorities to be beholden to them and not push them to make it on their ownso they can have something to be proud of. you guys want the kids in the big cities to look at the pres as a hero when in the big cities the REAL heroes are the blacki fathers that stay around to take care of their kids doing what ever work they can get, working their asses off when a full 45% of them are just walking off and never looking back. there is a real hero!! Ask any Black that has grown up there and made it out! ASK them!!!

          • George E

            Eyes,

            The Republican Party is not now, nor has it ever been the party of the KKK. That can’t be said for the Democratic Party however. Check your history again.

        • Randy Michigan

          The Tea Party used to be Conservatives, the ignorant get condensed even further.

          • Smilee

            BEAUTIFUL!

  • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

    Obama an expert on Constitutional law should know that a usurper is ineligible for the Office of the President. One cannot faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States because;
    His every act in the usurped Office of the President is a criminal offense as an act under color of law that would subject the People to the deprivation of their constitutional rights, and entitling no obedience whatsoever from the People;
    As a usurper acting in the guise of the President you could not legally function as the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy and of the militia of the several states, as such forces would be under no legal obligation to remain obedient to you;
    No one in any civilian agency in the Executive Branch would be required to obey any of your proclamations, executive orders or directives, as such orders would be legally VOID;
    Your appointment of Ambassadors and Judges to the Supreme Court would be VOID ab initio (i.e., from the beginning), no matter what subsequent actions the Senate might take as well as rendering any such acts by such appointed officials void as well;
    Congress would not be able to pass any new laws because they would not be able to acquire the signature of a bona fide President, rendering all such legislation legally VOID; Therefore no healthcare mandate.

    • Smilee

      JOE, GO SOBER UP AND THEN GIVE IT ANOTHER TRY

      • eyeswideopen

        Smilee, please no,,,

        • Smilee

          Why, do you believe he will be even worse when he is sober??

          • eyeswideopen

            History!!! that’s what. His history proves it won’t be better.

  • Suzanne Powell

    I think Idaho is leading the rest of the country in resisting the government grabs and civil liberties assaults… at the very least standing up for our 10th amendment rights. They have another bill in the works to frank their own silver round (thereby supporting the local mining and refining industries), and to accept that silver round as currency to pay taxes with… thereby circumventing the federal treasury.
    They have another bill to the effect saying that the feds have no authority to regulate or tax any gun made or sold in their state. Quite frankly, if I had a machine shop, I’d be designing and manufacturing my own line of guns.

    This is going to be an interesting year.

  • Smilee

    Suzanne Powell says:March 23, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    HAVE THEY REALLY GOTTEN THAT CRAZY IN IDAHO, THE BILL YOU QUOTE BELOW WOULD BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS THE CONSTITUTION ONLY ALLOWS THE US CONGRESS CAN DO THAT

    They have another bill in the works to frank their own silver round (thereby supporting the local mining and refining industries), and to accept that silver round as currency to pay taxes with… thereby circumventing the federal treasury.

    • DaveH

      Since the Federal Government no longer abides by the Constitution, the contract has been broken. You can’t have it both ways Sleepy. If the Federal Government can’t abide by the Constitution, then they States are no longer bound by it.

      • Smilee

        Just your opinion, my opinion is that I think you totally wrong in your opinion

  • K. Mann

    I sent the following letter to the national association of attorney generals (NAAG) because I felt compelled to do something after obama foisted this upon people who might prefer to buy groceries or have their car repaired if they had extra money to spend each month. Hopefully you will consider filing charges against any politicians who took part in this vote buying and selling.

    http://www.naag.org/contact.php

    03-21-2010

    Dear Sir(s). Hello. I’m writing to you as a concerned commoner, a God fearing honest hard working taxpaying American who’s been watching my tax dollars be tossed about daily in exchange for a vote on this or that bill or pet project, and quite frankly I’m tired of it. And so I have a question about this that I hope you will address that may put an end to such shenanigans in Washington and around the country, and perhaps it will even require a recount on the latest healthcare vote. Please give this some careful consideration and by all means bring it up before other lawful minds to discuss.

    Q. If a prostitute offered sex to a politician in exchange for a favor or for that politicians vote in a certain direction, would it be legal? And if a gangster like Al Capone or John Ghotti had offered a politician a ‘gift’ which would afford some political clout within that politicians district in exchange for their vote, would it be legal? Or similarly, if a politician had already declared their intention to vote a particular way on a certain law or bill, and a billionaire such as George Sorros stepped in and offered that politician something of interest to the politician, such as a new factory or large construction contract for their district in exchange for the politician changing their vote, would that be legal?

    A. I would think the answer to all three of these questions would be ‘no’ and that any such actions; to either extend such an offer or to accept the offer, would be equally criminal, and I believe that any reasonable person would call any such offers nothing less than a bribe.

    So why then is it deemed acceptable for our political ‘employees’ to extend or accept such bribes from anyone in exchange for their vote? Is the president of the United States above the law so that he can offer tax payer money – our blood sweat and tears money – in exchange for getting his own way? Are our congressman and senators also above the law so that they can ask for and/or accept such gifts from anyone at all in exchange for their votes?

    All of these people work for me, for us, and everything they vote on is a legal matter, so why do we tolerate what we would quickly address if a gangster had done the same thing? And if there is no fault or illegality here, then shouldn’t I be allowed to offer my own vote for sale to the highest bidder? Or is it against the law if I the employer do as my employees are doing daily as a matter of practice? Chances are there is a law that prohibits me from selling or offering for sale my vote, or from soliciting votes from others in exchange for compensation. Does this law only apply to “we the people” and when did the politicians stop being one of the people?

    Please consider taking steps to press charges of corruption against any of these politicians who’ve been involved in going against the will of the American people in exchange for their votes. Some of these shameless crooks have spoken openly of giving their healthcare vote over to obama and pelosi in exchange for money, concessions or tax exemptions for their districts. Make no mistake, these hired hands have sold their vote just as surely as if I’d listed mine on ebay. And if charges could be filed against such politicians for tampering with the political process, I would think that a revote could then be demanded on this damnable bill. Additionally, if you need me – as their employer – to file the charges, in the spirit of our fore-fathers I will gladly step up to the plate for the sake of justice and fair-play.

    Sincerely, K. Mann

    • chuck b

      k mann

      great letter.
      you must realize the democrats do exactly what you question, they sell their vote for something free, welfare and healthcare.

      • Joe H.

        Chuck b,
        yeah Clintoon probably told Monica he’d make some deal for her, a job or something!!!

    • Randy Michigan

      How about pointing that anger at the companies that make your life so miserable instead of the Government that tries to help you.

      • George E

        Randy,

        You’ve kinda got things upside down haven’t you? When did the government ever do anything for you that was high quality and low cost (considering the price and the taxes you pay)? Never, most likely. It astounds me that educated people can actually think the government, which has a monopoly on our lives and our money, will ever be able to compete with the private sector which has to learn how to provide quality products/services at low cost or they go out of business to a competitor. The only time you have businesses that act arrogant and lazy like the government is when they are rewarded with a monopoly by the government, which is just another failing of the government.

  • Antonio

    Randy Michigan says:
    March 23, 2010 at 2:24 pm
    Randy wrote all this crap below
    Barb are you a Racist? Let me tell you something, the White supremacy days are OVER! People like you are getting set for extinction. White people are the minorities in the American population now, your kind of hateful banter will energize minorities to vote,do you know what party the minority identifies itself with, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Obama will be re-elected for the very same reason. People such as yourself will not be needed, there are far more whites that will vote for him than the Racist [offensive word removed]. by the way I am White.
    Randy in case you are not familiar with your own history let me teach you. The so called “White supremacy days” were run by the DEMOCRATIC PARTY jaja. It was the democratic party that did NOT (do you understand the word not?) want the BLACKS to have voting rights. By the way your ignorant.

    • eyeswideopen

      Antonio, who cares, they have the rights now, problem is you conservatives don’t want anyone to have the right to vote except yourselves. You want one party, one religion. That is the RWA way. One day maybe you will think for yourself. Miracles do happen.

    • Randy Michigan

      That was then, this is now, I am 40 not 100, can’t you tell change when you see it or will you forever resist?

      • eyeswideopen

        Randy, the Conservatives and Libertarians want to go back in time, however they can’t agree on which time, as some dem was doing something to them all the time. Heh Heh. Most have agreed the 1912 time prior to Fed take over would be good. I say, go find a place with no infrastructure, meaning no, electric, phone, roads, banks, stores, cell phones, and live it up. The rest of us want to move into the 21century solving problems and making our country stronger.

        • Joe H.

          This from the witch that says she got out of the republican party because they weren’t conservative enough!!! you said that the very first time I questioned you on it!!!! more proof of bull!!!

  • Antonio

    i wrote the second paragraph

    • Barb

      Antonio, thanks for defending me, I get called the “R” word a lot. Seems it’s the only way these libs can argue back. FYI, the answer to Randy and all the other Race card pullers out there again is no! Hating what the left has done to our country is NOT RACIST, DamnDemocrats is not a race. I just consider the source Antonio, and try to ignore these ignorant sheep. Thanks again!

      • Randy Michigan

        Guilt by association, Tea Baggers are all Racists!

        • eyeswideopen

          Do you know of any blacks or minorities in the tea party? All pictures show only whites. Just wondering if you know of any???

          • Palin12

            When I went to see Sarah Palin during a rally in 2008, there were many hispanics in the crowd and I took photos to prove it, and yes they were cheering her on!

          • Palin12

            I reviewed the 60+ photos I took that day since my last post. Sitting right behind me was a group with T-shirts that read “Latinas for McCain”. I also see many Filipinos in the crowd. Sorry to disprove your point Eyes. I think you should vote for Michael Steele for the next President; if you don’t it proves you’re a racist.

      • Palin12

        Barb, these idiots always use the race card and it’s getting old! Practically all of my favorite athletes, past and present, are black: Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Tony Guinn, LaDamian Tomlinson to name a few. Many of my favorite musicians are also black: BB King, Stevie Wonder, and the greatest guitar player of all time, Jimi Hendrix. All of these people I admire. It’s not Obama’s skin color that we don’t like, it’s his communist socialist policies. I can’t stand Pelosi either, maybe that means I’m a racist against my own race!

  • http://gmail i41

    Eyes, it does matter, the republicans made sure the blacks got to vote. The dems had everything going to keep the blacks from voting, the Tammi Hall sure as hell went down south after the Civil War to keep both blacks and southern whites as a lower class. So if you are a registered rep., I guess you are rather embrassed to admit your leanings of a socialist, a feely mealy compassinate do gooder, but in realaity a social justice bone head!! Wealth distrabution advocate.

    • Smilee

      41 says:
      March 24, 2010 at 7:08 am

      It took President Johnson’s signature to make it law, a democrat, would not have been enough votes to overturn it if he had vetoed it. Want to explain why black people have largely voted for democrats the last fifty years, it does not appear they perceive the republicans as their friends

  • Barb

    I was just coming back home from running an errand and got in on a news report of your Commie Rep. Dingle. He was trying to explain why the 2 year delay on a lot of this atrocity of a bill. He said it takes time to set things up for so many people (I’m paraphrasing here)” and to CONTROL the people!” The last 5 words are a direct quote! Even the Washington Times, YOUR LIb rag was appalled by this statement, FINALLY someone slipped up and told the truth! All they have wanted since the ’60′s was to control the people- us, just like the Communist countries do! I REST MY CASE!

    • Barb

      Correction, Rangle he is a Dingle. Sorry, for the misprint!

    • Randy Michigan

      This has nothing to do with any of this I want you to know no matter what side you may tak, I love you all because we are American Brothers and Sisters and I want that known right now. This is getting heated and I don’t want you to be bitter, I do respect your point of view, even though I’m right! LOL :) just kidding.

      • Barb

        Sorry again but I was right the first time it was Dingle that made that quote, but Rangle , Dingle what’s the difference. The last part of what I wrote was correct. AND it does matter, this President of yours wants to control his people not govern, CONTROL. If that is not Communist idealism what the hell is it Randy?!! Sorry too but I think it’s a little late to shake hands and forget. Our country is under siege and like it or not we the people who care about our country as it should be -a free republic, by the people, for the people and of the people, under God, aren’t turning the other cheek any more! I for one will not be CONTROLLED by anyone or any freaking commie group!

        • Smilee

          Your sure entitled to your opinion, my opinion is you are totally wrong in your opinion

          • Barb

            I don’t really care about your opinion Smilee, or is it Cella? Or one of you other covers? You’re still a lib communist to me!

          • Randy Michigan

            Barb, you need to contemplate the possibility that you could be wrong. In the 1980′s I was Conservative and in the 90′s Independent now in the new millennium I have been Liberal for 20 years, I bet you have Always have been a Conservative, you can not put it together that your party has destroyed this country and made us more enemies than ever before. History books will tell how the last administration gave our country’s image a black eye, The Bush Administration used TORTURE to get false and tainted information out of GUILTY terror suspects, now a terrorist is being released because of that. Proper interrogation would have gotten a conviction. If your pissed now, wait until they throw out all the information on KSM, he was tortured more than any man, all that proof is gone because some A$$hole said to TORTURE, we as a country violated human rights.

          • Smilee

            I left the republican party in 1993 at 52 years of age, had been active in that party all my life and had been on the local republican executive board for seven years when I quit and left the party, was inactive in politics until 2004 when I joined the Democratic Party and since that time I have come to realize that all the republicans say about Democrats is nothing but lies and the sad part was I used to say those things myself, shame on me. Democrats say the same in public as they say in private the republicans after the right wing radicals took and when the press was present. I left because I could no longer live amongst all those liars, many of those hang out here as well

          • Smilee

            OOPS, I got it mixed up some, should read as follows:

            I left the republican party in 1993 at 52 years of age, I had been active in that party all my life up until that time and was on the local republicans executive board for seven years at the time during which time the republicans right wing radicals took over, they said one thing in private and another in public and when the press was present. I was inactive in politics until 2004 when I joined the Democratic Party and since that time I have come to realize that what all the republicans say about Democrats is nothing but lies and the sad part was I used to say those things myself, shame on me. .Democrats say the same in public as they say in private I left because I could no longer live amongst all those liars, many of those type hang out here as well

          • Joe H.

            yeah opinions are like —–, everyone’s got one but you. you got two you talk out of one!!!

          • Smilee

            jOE

            i DO NOT THINK YOU(sentence removed for offensive content)

        • Randy Michigan

          I think your freaking out and your going to hyperventilate until you get a Tea bagger in office, it is not as bad as it seems, it seems that way to you because your being told to feel that way by Sore loser Politicians. I remember when Bush got elected again, the liberals thought the world is over. You know what, the worlds not over and there is going to be another Conservative President, so Chill.

          • Barb

            Not if Osama Obama keeps getting his way. I’m upset because the truth has come out and as usual the MSM have their heads up the backsides! Wonder what kind of hold he’s got on these jackasses not one called him out on this, not one! Of course no one but MSM news guys were allowed to ask questions as usual! I know full well there will be a conservative president in 2012 maybe sooner I hope but what of the damage this guy does till then? Oh, shoot what am I saying, buy then it will be proven he is a fraud and nothing he puts into place will be legal anyway sooo, huh, you are right for once Randy, I’m chillin’. However I will still be ready always to do what ever I have to to save my country, sorry.

          • Randy Michigan

            This always happens, I guarantee that there will be a Republican in office soon too,just not as soon as you would like. You are hinting that he will be assassinated before another Election, you need to be a bit more subtle about that kind of banter or just not suggest it at all. Your Ill will toward other Americans is disturbing and not very American, we are not the enemy we are only the other party, you should learn the difference.

          • Joe H.

            Randy ,toledo
            Are you so unsure of yourself and so insecure that anytime someone mentions removing Obummer from office early that you have to try to get them arrested??? Have you not heard of IMPEACHMENT??? I know you are a product of those new public schools!!!!

          • Randy Michigan

            I only feel that way because that IS the only way, your not going to be able to impeach him.

  • Barb

    Not assassinated that would make him a martyr, proven as the fraud he is and ousted legally is what I’m eluding to. After a year and a half of you guys still defending this guy is enough to make me a little irritable especially since you haven’t shut up about Bush in 10 years. It never ceases to amaze me how you libs think it’s OK to belittle and demean and laugh at and disrespect President George W. Bush for what seems for ever but we shouldn’t say a word against your president or we are racist and any thing else you libs can come up with. Well I’m not racist and I will not stop badmouthing your president either. And so long as you tell us that we are wrong and racist and crazy and every other name you can come up with, we will continue to defend ourselves and our country. Sorry but so long as you guys keep voting in these progressive, socialistic, communistic, wild spending morons and defending them , then I guess we are enemies because I feel you are a threat to my country, my freedom, my way of life.

    • Randy Michigan

      Check your history, Most of our country’s debt came from Conservative administrations, Pres. Bill Clinton left the Bush Administration more than two TRILLION DOLLARS in surplus and an Economy that had prospered more than any in history, don’t talk about Dems being the spenders, you can thank those so called Fiscally responsible Conservatives, That is FACT!

      • Joe H.

        not Fact!! only on paper! fell through as soon as he left office. He was so honest that he tried to steal things like the white house china, silver, linnen napkins, all sorts of things and when he was caught said oh, we thought those were ours to take!!!! what a cheap good for nothing crook!!!

    • Barb

      Randy I didn’t see your other post! Pelosi the Queen of the House spearheaded the order to TORTURE!!!! She’s yours not ours! I’m not going to get into what you call torture and what really is torture here either. AND no I was a Democrat back in the 60′s Yes “60s till the Make love not war idiots came on the scene and I soon started looking more closely at the person not the party. I was a registered independent for years then Carter came along, then Clinton, and more and more we became more savvy and registered Republican BEFORE Carter, thank God I wasn’t responsible for that piece of work! We, meaning my husband and I, grew up mentally real fast back in the late ’60s early 70′s newly weds in the military during Vietnam. We grew up smart and we grew up patriotic! AND we told our kids vote your the way you feel, what’s in your heart, or gut feeling. They are both very strong conservatives not because we preached it but because they saw it is the right way to go, they are very smart as is their husbands!

      • Randy Michigan

        Thanks for serving! I always appreciate service men and women.
        There is nothing like Commies to bring a country together. Carter was an Idiot! Thank God for Reagan, he was one of our best Presidents. It was nice debating you good luck and don’t preach violence like those over health care, it’s just not worth it.

        • Barb

          My husband served I was a military wife, I guess that was my service. If this was really about just health care Randy I wouldn’t think of fighting to the death, but it’s not, that’s the problem. It’s about absolute power over a nation. I’m not preaching violence I’m simply saying that it is not out of the question especially when people like Nappy asks Russia for help. This country won’t just roll over and play dead, the last thing I want is violence but I will protect what’s mine!

          • Randy Michigan

            I understand, well I guess that if they are in office keep them on their toes.

  • Antonio

    Randy Michigan says: Randy wrote the following post:
    March 24, 2010 at 12:43 pm
    Check your history, Most of our country’s debt came from Conservative administrations, Pres. Bill Clinton left the Bush Administration more than two TRILLION DOLLARS in surplus and an Economy that had prospered more than any in history, don’t talk about Dems being the spenders, you can thank those so called Fiscally responsible Conservatives, That is FACT!

    Antonio writes:
    Randy Dildo Clinton stiched the economy with just enough thread to hold it up until he was gone; so that ignorant people like you would be able to blame somebody else like Bush when it fell down. Clinton made banks and lending companies loan money to those who did not qualify, thereby, leading to a prosperous economy that was only just being (stiched up). Do yourself a favor and practice what you preach and go “check your history”
    By the way, I see that your still ignorant.

    • eyeswideopen

      Antonio, you do know that the repubs took control in 1994 and held it until 2007 in both houses of Congress don’t you?

      • Joe H.

        and by your own statement about Bush, Clintoon didn’t try to Veto it, did he??? His Baby!!!

        • Randy Michigan

          It was a political stranglehold, if he had not, BOTH houses were going to abolish the filibuster, it was forced through by blackmail, that’s how Republicans get shit done in Washington.

  • Randy Michigan

    I did, Republican Majority in both the Senate and House passed those laws and aloud it to fall apart.

    • Antonio

      Hello Randy, I’m sure you know more than i do because your an American and i’m from Colombia who has only been here since 1999. Anyways i did research a little before this reply. I learned that the whole subprime loan thing started with Jimmy Carter enacting the (CRA) COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT ACT. Clinton came along and made things worse by threating the banks by making them publically known as racists if they continue to refuse these subprime loans. This Clinton did during his first term, and just to let you know democrats ruled house and senate from 1993 to 1995. After that they were voted out and republicans took their places. Then in 2003 Bush tried to stop Frannie Mae and Freddie Mac, by then, democrats ruled house and senate again and they said “no”.http://alfin2100.blogspot.com/2008/09/jimmy-carter-bill-clinton-share-blame.html

      • Joe H.

        Antonio,
        WOOOOEEEE!!! All four dwarves done in by someone who has only been in this country for eleven years!!! Welcome to the U.S. Antonio!!! God Bless!!! If I knew you personally I invite you and yours over for dinner for that as you made my week!!!

        • Antonio

          Hey Joe, nice to meet you. I would be honored. My favorite dish is cedar salmon. What state are you in? I’m in the great state of Texas. I’m hoping that we will break away from the union.

          • Randy Michigan

            TEXAS TRIED THAT ONCE ALREADY AND GOT IT’S A$$ HANDED TO IT,I WISH YOU WOULD TRY IT AGAIN SO WHEN YOU RETARD TEA BAGGERS START RUNNING YOUR MOUTHS, WE CAN FINALLY SHUT IT UP WITH A TOMAHAWK CRUISE MISSILE. GOOD LUCK GETTING AN ECONOMY GOING WITH NO NATURAL RESOURCES OR MANUFACTURING BASE, ALL THE MILITARY BASES WILL CLOSE WORSENING THE ECONOMIC EROSION. MEXICAN DRUG LORDS WOULD CONTROL THE BORDER UNOPPOSED.
            YOUR BRILLIANT NEW GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE NO TAXES, WE ALL KNOW HOW MUCH YOU HATE TAXES, WHICH MEANS NO PUBLIC SERVICES! NO POLICE, NO FIREMEN, NO ANIMAL CONTROL, NO GARBAGE PICK UP, NO POSTAL SERVICES, NO JUDGES, NO CITY COUNSELS, NO SCHOOLS, NO TEACHERS, NO EPA, NO FDA, NO FEMA….BUSH DID NOT USE THAT ANYWAY, I’LL GIVE YOU THAT ONE. NO LAWYERS IF YOU CAN NOT AFFORD ONE, NO PARKS,NO ROAD MAINTENANCE……..DO I NEED TO GO ON,I DON’T THINK I HAVE TO. YOU CAN STILL HAVE ALL THOSE PUBLIC BENEFITS, IT WILL ONLY BE SUPPLIED BY PRIVATE COMPANIES WHO WILL CHARGE YOU 10 TIMES THE AMOUNT IT WOULD COST IF IT WAS PUBLICLY FUNDED. GOOD LUCK!

          • Randy Michigan

            You can’t spell Taxes without Texas.

          • Antonio

            WOW RANDY FOR AN AMERICAN YOU SURE ARE STUPID. First of all, if private companies did do all the sevices it would allow for competition, so paying ten times need not apply. Secondly, if public schools and teachers were gone that would end all the doctrination of the kids. We the people would then open private schools and teach our kids the truth and allow them to get a real education. Thirdly, out of the 100+ taxes that we currently pay today; we only need a federal income tax and a sales tax. Those two taxes would take care of all the services that you whined about in your post above. Lastly, the link you sent me in the post below shows nothing but a bunch of crap. The truth still remains. Jimmy Carter, and Bill Clinton are the undeniable ones that caused today’s recession, and now the terrorist obama is going to make it even worse. To bad your too stupid to see it.
            Randy, were you doctrinated in those public schools??? Maybe thats why your so stupid. Come on, get your head out of their A$$’s and take a breath of fresh air ok. GOOD LUCK MY FRIEND!!!

          • Palin12

            Right on Antonio, I’d like to shake your hand too from the great state of Nevada where we’re going to a have a huge party when we throw out Dirty Harry in November! Man, you tell it like it is! We all have the soundbites of Mr Reid stating “you can smell the stench of tourists in Washington in the summer” and “Sen. Obama is electable as president because he’s a light-skinned black and does not speak with a negro accent”. The party starts this Saturday in Searchlight, NV Harry’s hometown, about 90 minutes from Vegas. Sarah Palin will be there.

      • Smilee

        YOU DID NOT DO ENOUGH RESEARCH, AS YOU GOT AN AWFUL LOT OF IT WRONG, AND JOE BEING ECSTATIC PROVES ME RIGHT

        • Antonio

          OK, so what was i so wrong about??? I’m trying to learn, so go ahead and post your part of the research here. Why didn’t you already post what i was so wrong about while you here??? Could it be because you didn’t know??? Got more mouth than knowledge???

      • Randy Michigan

        Don’t believe all you read on those blogs anybody can write stuff that is not fact but opinion. Do you think I am stupid, I back my statements with fact, Republicans and Conservatives want to deregulate Health care, Financial services, Campaign Finance laws, I could go on and on. Democrats have the brains to protect the citizens of this country and not jeopardize their safety by gambling that deregulation of whatever it my be is safe.
        Here is my PROOF that The Republicans and Conservatives caused ALL of the Damage, just look at all the bills deregulating Wall street and Big Business. This is the Congressional Database, It is UNDENIABLE TRUTH!

        http://www.gpoaccess.gov/bills/browse.html

        • Palin12

          Don’t listen to him Antonio. Remember it was Dodd (who’s conveniently retiring) and Bawney Fwank, both liberal democrats, that forced fannie and freddie mac into giving mortgages that people couldn’t afford to pay. It’s like working at McDonalds and buying a $500,000 home. Not a bright idea from these pseudo-intellectuals! They caused the whole economy to collapse! Remember this too my friend, the richest members of congress are democrats. They think we’re too stupid to run our own lives so we need them to tell us how to run our lives. And they think we have short memories. November to Remember!!!

          • Antonio

            You know Palin, thats one thing that i dont understand. A rich democrate??? Why dont they distribute their own money? They have to learn that it is not someone’s “right” to have a house or car or a good job. These are options that are available to someone who works hard and manages their money. Know, a mejor problem in helping someone get into a house by giving them the 7 0r 8,000 dollar governmet down payment, is when they actually move into the house they discover that they have to pay the electric bill, water, gas, homeowners Ins, fire Ins, property taxes, plus dont forget all the taxes on the bills!!! UNBELIEVEABLE!!! How could the Americans let the government place so many taxes upon them???

          • Palin12

            Of the top 10 richest members of congress, 8 are democrats. At the very top of the list is John Kerry, D-Mass with $215 million, combined with his wife estimated 1.0 Billion with a B! Pelosi is #23 with 25 Million. Former Sen. John Edwards lives on a $6 million estate. Al Gore lives in a 20 bedroom mansion and has a monthy energy bill of $2,500…the majority of which is derived from fossil fuels.

  • Antonio

    WOW, and they accuse the conservatives of being greedy by saying that we complain about higher taxes, and distribution of the wealth. when they have all the money and sit there passing bills and raising taxes while the whole time exempting themselves from everything. What can we possibly do to change all of this??? I can easily come up with 30 taxes that are senseless and should be completly erased and another 30 taxes that should cut by 50% at the least. We the people have to take a stand and DEMAND that congress and the President cut and lower the taxes. ALL OF THEM!!! ALL welfare crap needs to be cut by half. For example, somebody recieving $500 a month food stamps should get $250 and i think thats still too much, but it’s a start. Unemployment checks should amount to minimum wage not 9 or 10 dollars an hour pay, it’s no wonder why they don’t have jobs. They make to much at home!!!

    • Palin12

      I think they should cut out expense accounts for politicians, all of them! Especially Pelosi’s $100,000 bar tab for 2 years worth of booze! Michelle Obama’s 21 personal assistants (paid with tax dollars) is a bit much too. Their salaries are more than enough without all these freebies.

  • Antonio

    Thank You Palin, great site. I bookmarked it for future use. Listen, I would like to keep in touch, so i’m going to pass you an e-mail address (not mine) but once i know it’s you i’ll give you my personal one. It’s icu_2_cop@hotmail.com

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