How To Kill Obamacare, Turn The People Against Obama And Save The GOP

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Hello, I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. Ted Cruz, the Tea Party and the GOP fought hard and courageously; but it’s time to recognize that we aren’t going to win the current battle. Obama will negotiate with madmen in Iran over a nuclear bomb and with madmen in Syria over chemical weapons, but he won’t negotiate with Republicans in Congress over healthcare. So who’s the crazy one here?

No matter. Obama will not defund Obamacare. He will not even allow reasonable changes. It’s his law and he’s in charge. We are fighting a no-win battle over both Obamacare and the government shutdown — especially because the media protects him at all costs. The message the media puts out is that: “Obama is for the little guy. The GOP is evil and greedy.” Unfortunately, we are playing right into Obama’s hands with both a defunding of Obamacare and a Federal government shutdown.

Great generals change tactics constantly to win battles and wars. They recognize it is all a chess game and that as circumstances change and evolve, tactics must change and evolve. Now, it’s time for the Republican Congress to change tactics.

How can the GOP message be changed to win the battle instantly? By changing our demand. Here’s a way to turn this into a win-win for the GOP. Republicans will, in fact, end the government shutdown, pass the budget and fund Obamacare if this one single simple demand is met: Remove all exemptions, exceptions and waivers to Obamacare. 

It’s that simple. The message is: If Obamacare is so good for the people, then let everyone have it right now, this instant — the poor, the rich, the big unions, the big corporations, the politically connected, the lawyers, the lobbyists and, of course, Congress, too. Everyone means everyone.

“Everyone” must specifically include Senators, Congressmen, their staffs, Obama himself, Michelle, Sasha and Malia. It’s everyone in the rowboat, or no one. That’s the only GOP demand. Forget defunding; it’s not going to happen. Fund it, but only if Obama agrees to end all exemptions, exceptions, and waivers today.

How’s that for a simple, clear and concise, easy-to-understand message, a message that puts the GOP clearly on the side of equality and fairness for all? This is a message a majority of Americans will support. This is a message that puts Obama on the defensive and paints him into a dangerous no-win corner.

That’s how you win the war with Obama and kill Obamacare. That’s how you win the public relations battle. That’s how you leave the media speechless. That’s how you outmaneuver Obama.

Think of Obama’s only two options at that point. He can either tell the American people that government will stay shut “because I refuse to force corporations, unions and Congress to live by the same rules as the rest of you,” or he can immediately reopen the government and fund Obamacare but cause a war inside the Democratic Party by abandoning his big corporate donors and unions. He loses big either way.

If this were wrestling or MMA fighting, the GOP just flipped Obama on his back. How can he say “no” to the GOP demand? Is Obama only for the rich, big corporations and politically connected? What is he protecting the rich and privileged from? If Obamacare is so great, why did he delay it for big corporations? What about the rest of us? Are we human guinea pigs?

More importantly, how can Obama look into the camera and say that Congress and the President should have the right to different healthcare than the citizens? Talk about an unwinnable position. Make him explain why he will keep the government closed so that Congress can have a different healthcare plan than the rest of us peasants.

Obama has broken the law and violated the Constitution with these special exemptions and waivers. Hold his feet to the fire. The GOP isn’t against poor people getting healthcare. We certainly hate Obamacare. We know it’s a disaster for healthcare, jobs and the economy. But if it’s the law of the land (for now), then we demand equality for everyone.

If Obama wants the law, let’s all have the law: everyone. Michelle, Sasha and Malia can wait in the same long lines as the rest of us. So can Congress and their staffs. So can big corporations like GE, Wal-Mart and Exxon. So can every union member. So can every government employee. If the rest of us can’t have “Cadillac health insurance plans” without paying big fines or taxes, then unions and government employees can’t either.

It’s one for all and all for one. Let’s see Obama oppose that argument. Let’s see him defend waivers and exemptions for some, while the rest of us get screwed. Let’s see Obama defend keeping the government closed in order to retain the one-year waiver for big business, while forcing small business and the middle class to suffer immediately.

Obama is between a rock and a hard place. He must agree that everyone gets it today, ready or not, with no exceptions. Or no one gets it.

Suddenly, the GOP has turned the tables. We have exposed Obama as the fraud he is. With this one change in tactics, the GOP represents “equality and fairness for all.” Let Obama defend inequality, unfairness and special favors for the rich and connected. Checkmate.

Obamacare is a disaster. The exchanges aren’t ready. Mass confusion reigns. The people have no idea how bad this is going to get. But it’s clear the unions, big corporations and Congress understand. That’s why they desperately want out. From this day forward, we let no one out. We are all in this together.

Make Obama own it. Make him tie his friends and donors into it right now — with no wiggle room. Then, watch the fun begin. Watch the unions and big corporations demand the repeal of Obamacare. Watch mass protests in the streets by union members. Watch the Democratic Party devolve into screaming and fighting matches among themselves. Watch D.C. implode as Congress, Congressional staffers and lobbyists refuse to accept Obamacare. Watch the rats desert the sinking ship.

But if Obama keeps the government closed to protect his biggest donors, the public will turn on him with a vengeance. By November of 2014, every single Democrat who ever voted for this disaster will be thrown out on his or her ass.

Oh, and one big bonus. I can’t wait to see Michelle Obama’s face when she hears she must live under the same law as the rest of us. I’d pay for tickets to watch that one.

I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. See you next week. Same time, same place. God bless America.

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Wayne Allyn Root

Wayne Allyn Root is one of America's leading Libertarian-conservative authors. Wayne's new book is The Murder of the Middle ClassWayne is a Capitalist Evangelist, serial entrepreneur, conservative media commentator, and proud champion of the middle class. He is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee and Fox News regular. Follow Wayne on Twitter and visit Wayne's web site: www.ROOTforAmerica.com

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  • Harold Olsen

    I’m in favor of killing Obamacare. I’m very much in favor of turning the people against that lying, racist, America-hating, Nazi scumbag Obama. I’m not, however, sure the GOP is worth saving. They have become the serf branch of the Democrat party. They do what they are told and offer only token resistance, but, in the end, they cave.

    • mark

      But you have zero power in our society, Harold. And you know it. It does not matter what you are “in favor of.” Obama is the president and will remain so until January 20, 2017. You can insult, you can spew your hatred and racism but you cannot change anything. You’re irrelevant like the drunk in the bar swearing at the TV set. Get used to it. Irrelevance is the central feature of the entire Tea Party movement. Lost and confused people waiting at the bus stop for a bus that has already left. It’s over.

      • Warrior

        Day 3 of your “furlough”. Make the most of it!

        • nc

          warrior, that which is causing the furlough is what the Democrats have made “the most of” in the polls and at the polls!
          Repugnuts shutting down the government!
          Tells the folks here how successful that has been for the Republicans in the elections that followed!!
          They have shot off all of their toes on their “right” foot!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            What will you be frenzied about if this shutdown will create the most creative and productive time in history? What the Dems/Progs/Leftists would rather see is mayhem and destruction which if it occurs would be started by the Dems/Progs/Leftists.

          • nc

            Batki, if you can create a strong government and can get credit without paying your bills then you deserve to be praised!
            Methinks that your greatest fear is that if you get out of the way and Obama’s health reform works the conservatives will never again win a position of power!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You can pay the bills, NutCase. We’re tired of paying just to watch the bills grow ever larger.

          • NC

            aBORIGINAL, ARE YOU TIRED ENOUGH OF OUR “BILLS” TO MOVE TO WHERE YOU THINK THEY DO A BETTER JOB? WHERE WOULD THAT BE? IF YOU WOULD DO SOME RESEARCH AND ASK AROUND YOU WILL FIND YOU ARE GETING QUITE A LOT FOR YOU BUCK!
            WHO PROMISED YOU THAT YOU WOULD BE BORN INTO AND LIVE IN YOUR PERFECT WORLD! VON MISES??? SEEMS THAT NEITHER OF YOU EVER GOT OUT OF THE BASEMENT!!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Did your wife send you to the doghouse again, NutCase? Is that why you’re upset and yelling?

          • Jana

            You sure talk like Dave. If you aren’t Dave what do you Socialist Liberals do, take a class at being obnoxious?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            NutCase says — “the conservatives will never again win a position of power!”.
            Maybe, the Power of Propaganda is indeed great. But eventually, even if it takes an economic collapse, the people will wake up and remember the warnings. Then they will be much harder to persuade to accept useless Liberal Progressive brainwashing.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yes, it takes guts and sacrifice to stand against the majority of thieves.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Just as the Left built their coalitions over time and ganged up on Small Government advocates with their Free Money for Everybody scam, so can the Small Government advocates build their Forces to thwart that theft.
        For those people who know theft is morally wrong but just don’t know logical arguments to convince their friends and acquaintances that it is also wrong for the economy:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

  • Ralph Collier

    It is NOT necessary for the senate to approve the budget or anything for obummercare…..very compelling article…please read and pass on to friends and your congressmen..

    http://www.examiner.com/article/obamacare-can-be-defunded-without-senate-approval

    • smilee

      That is the dumbest article I have ever seen and it is all lies. The Constitution says:

      All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills. Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States;

      Is that so hard to understand?? The Senate must pass it for it to become law and it has always been that way and done that way. This is so stupid and false.

  • Deerinwater

    If there is no need for negotiation, why on earth would you?

    If you win a hand of poker, ~ the winner is not encumbered to engaged in a round of negotiation with the losers about his winning.

    This effort to defund working of government that the GOP has failed to achieve by due process on the house floor of Representative is wearing thin.

    The GOP does not have the cards and does not have the numbers to stop this. ~ Hey if Root can see it that way ~ so should anyone with half a brain.

  • Alan Wood

    Brilliant! This wiould be hilarious to watch Obummer and Reid cry about this.

  • laura merrone

    Allyn Root has a good plan here, but I doubt the Republican Party will pick up on it. Again, it requires guts and I don’t think they have any. Only God can intervene to change things (or a miracle) at this point…

    • Alex

      God, obviously would wish all of Her children to have health care.

      • laura merrone

        Yes…but she’s a He according to what the Bible says. (See John1:3 and 4) As for health care, where does it say that in HIs Word? And also not all men are His children. “Ye must be born again….(John 3:3) But it is a nice thought….just wish it were true.

        • Alex

          The Bible is but one of many books in which mankind attempts to decipher the sublime and the ineffable.

          Reason shows that if God were to have a gender, which is, of course, like all things Spiritual, debatable, then God would most likely be female. Think about it (with your OWN brain and not the brains of people who have updated and rewritten and rehashed and reinterpreted some old dried up fragments of papyrus): it is the female of most species who carries Life and delivers Life into the world. We males are merely fertilizers—manure-spreaders, if you will.

          By that reason, it stands that if God were to be assigned a gender, an odd thought to begin with, She would be a she….

          • laura merrone

            I only base all my references on the Word of God, not my own opinion or reason. The Word of God has lasted 2000 years and is very reliable. It has been my guide for 42 years and I continue to trust in it and in God as my Savior. Its my only authority in faith and conduct. (See 1 Timothy 3:16). I do, however, believe that the Holy Spirit of God is his feminine side. He is a trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He would not have been able to create male and female if he did not have the traits of both. (See Genesis, chapter 1-2)

          • Vigilant

            “He would not have been able to create male and female if he did not have the traits of both.”

            That’s called making a big, blasphemous error. God by definition is not limited by your deductions or assumptions. God transcends all worldly and human perceptions. To say “He would not have been able to” do anything is to draw a box around the entity, to limit it.

            Intelligent believers in God who have matured past the grade school perceptions have long understood that God is an infinite entity that cannot be described by frail and imperfect human thinking. Ascribing distinctly and uniquely human characteristics to God is to engage in anthropomorphism.

          • Karolyn

            Amen!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It goes back much further than 2000 years:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

          • laura merrone

            you’re right; I should’ve said at least 4000 years.

          • hippybiker

            OK. Then how come God made man in HIS image, then created woman from mans flesh to be a companion? Riddle me that, sir.

          • NC

            Hipshot! It’s all a myth! Man evolved from the apes A little science never hurt anyone! There’s your sign!!
            RIDDLE SOLVED! THIS ONE IS FREE!

          • hippybiker

            OK. If Apes evolved into men, how come we still have Apes? Crickets!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The same reason we still have wolves even though the modern dogs split from their ancestors 100,000 years ago.
            A survivable mutant characteristic does not preclude the ancestors from continuing to thrive and prosper.

          • nc

            Hipshot. some didn’t make the grade! Some remained apes and others regressed to become conservatives!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Regression is a term much better suited to those numbnuts who have taken us back to the days of Serfdom.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Condescension from an Ignoramus — Priceless.

          • S.C.Murf

            nc you may have climbed down from a tree (that would actually explain a lot) but as for me and mine we were born from woman

            up the hill
            airborne

          • NC

            sc MURF, GOOD ANSWER IF THE EARTH WAS JUST 6000 YEARS OLD! THE PROBLEM IS THE FOSSILS IN THE GROUND DON’T FIT “THE BEGATS” IN THE BIBLE! “FAITH” IS THE ANSWER ONLY WHEN YOU DON’T KNOW THE REAL ANSWER!

          • Karolyn

            Myth! Man created God in his image. “God” is universal intelligence and has no gender. “God” is not a man up in heaven with a big white beard. “God” is in all of us (as it says in the Bible).

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Changing your story again, aren’t you the one who claimed to be god not too long ago.

          • Karolyn

            No change. Try comprehending what I write. We are all a part of Universal Intelligence. Doesn’t Jesus say “Ye are Gods?” We are all one.

          • Jana

            Yes Karolyn, such as you belong to God, not that you are little gods running around.

          • Average_Joe56

            “We are all one.”

            In that case, there are a few appendages that I would like removed.

            Matthew 5:29-30

            29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
            30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

            Liberal Heathens ( there’s no such thing as a liberal Christian) offend me. I would like the liberals removed from my Earthly and Spiritual body….ASAP!
            Thanks.

          • S.C.Murf

            Karolyn God the father cannot exist with sin so you will not find Him in any man that walks the face of this earth. That’s why Jesus. What will put a smile on my face is the day that alex, nc, deer, kg and the rest use their educated idiot boxes (heads) to give God the father an excuse of why they were so stupid during their TIME on this earth. Now that will be funny, so stay tuned folks TIME’s getting short.

            up the hill
            airborne

          • KG

            G-d DID make ‘man’ in His Image. However, what is the “Image” of G-d?

            Adam had everything to make Eve. Adam was probably created as a man because Men have both the X and the Y chromosomes. Men are, basically, Bi-Sexual beings at the chromosomal level.

            So, why do men have Breasts?

            “…just in case!”

          • hippybiker

            So, let me get this straight. You are saying we are all a bunch of hermaphrodites? Christ, I hope not!

          • KG

            If you want, we could go out for some cocktails?

          • Jana

            Obviously you are a homo, and you want everyone to be one. No, not everyone is like you. Thank goodness. Finally we get to the truth.

          • KG

            Actually, Jana, my sexual orientation is none of your beeswax. Just as yours is. Unless my comments excite you? I’m still up for some cocktails. What kind do you like?

          • Jana

            If you didn’t want us to know what you are you shouldn’t have told us.

            Matt 7:6

            6 Give not that which is holy to dogs; neither cast ye your pearls before swine,

            You have just become the swine.

          • KG

            Mark 3:23-27
            English Standard Version (ESV)
            23 And he called them to him and said to them in parables, “How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. 26 And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but is coming to an end. 27 But no one can enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man. Then indeed he may plunder his house.

            Remember the pigs and the man with the ‘legion’ of demons?

            Mark 5:16-19
            English Standard Version (ESV)
            16 And those who had seen it described to them what had happened to the demon-possessed man and to the pigs. 17 And they began to beg Jesus to depart from their region. 18 As he was getting into the boat, the man who had been possessed with demons begged him that he might be with him. 19 And he did not permit him but said to him, “Go home to your friends and tell them how much the Lord has done for you, and how he has had mercy on you.”

            That is what I try to do. It is Jesus that saves us – not the works of ourselves. And only through His mercy do I even exist.

          • Jana

            As usual you use scripture to fit your own agenda.

            Matt 7:22-23

            22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

            (Jesus speaking here)
            23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
            KJV

            Again Jesus speaking here, in plain English to make it easy to understand.

            Luke 13:24-28
            24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 But he will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you come from. Depart from me, all you workers of evil!’ 28 In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth,
            ESV

            KG You stand for everything that the Bible is AGAINST! IT IS NOT TOO LATE FOR YOU to repent. You know the words, you just don’t have them in your heart.
            You are right in that Jesus saves us because He died for our sins. But we have to repent and TURN from our wicked ways. That does not give us permission to keep on sinning.

          • KG

            Who ever said we COULD stop sinning? I have to kill animals for food. I have to steal eggs from chickens to eat breakfast. I have to have a little bit of selfishness to prevent myself from being tricked. Just me existing in America I am part of a system that allows people to starve to death and kill innocent people in bombing raids in the middle of the night.

            One must understand the meaning of the word repent. It is a mistake to go to a modern dictionary to find the meaning of a word that was used 2,000 years ago. Repent comes from the Greek word metanoia, which means “a change of mind.” It was used frequently by the Apostle Paul to convince the Jews that they must change their minds, from depending on the laws (i.e. the Ten Commandments) to obtain favor with God, to accepting Jesus as the Messiah. It is one’s belief in Jesus that redeems; Jesus was the fulfillment of the law. That means, Jesus did what man could not do.
            NOTE: Speaking of the Ten Commandments – most people do not realize they were not given to non-Jews. The commandments were given only to the Jews. Gentiles were never under these laws, and following Jesus’ death on the Cross, Jews were also freed from legal bondage. If you are under the impression that by your feebly attempting to live, by obeying the commandments, you will go to Heaven, you are dead wrong. That is not the way to receive life eternal.
            Yes, the Bible says we are to strive to be moral, but “If we could stop sinning, then Christ died for nothing.” Think about that.
            I do not treat the grace of God as meaningless. For if keeping the law could make us right with God, then there was no need for Christ to die.

            Galatians 2:21
            King James Version (KJV)
            21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

          • Jana

            Modern dictionary:

            repent- to feel regret over, to feel sorry for, to change one’s mind.

            Of course we are not a perfect people and we all still sin. This is why Praise God we have an advocate to our Father God YHVH. After we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior, we have access to our Father. It is called prayer. It doesn’t have to be a formal prayer, as when you love the Lord our God and commit a sin which is will full disobedience to God and His Word as we know it, as we are only responsible to what we know, then we REPENT, and ask God for forgiveness as soon as we realize that we have sinned. Praise God He is ready to forgive us.

            By the way you quoted Galatians 2:21. You need to go back to Galatians 2:16 to see what the subject is.

            Gal 2:16

            16
            Being conscious that a man does not get righteousness by the works of the law, but through faith in Jesus Christ, we had faith in Christ Jesus, so that we might get righteousness by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law will no flesh get righteousness.

            Therefore as v 21 says if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

            Like I said KG, you have head knowledge but not heart knowledge.
            A. You need a real pastor
            B. You need real savation.
            C. You need to fall on your knees and pray in earnest.

          • KG

            Jana, I know in your mind I’m going to He77 for the ‘theological’ position I posit – that we are hopeless sinners of the flesh and that as a Human being my efforts to stop that are in vain: unless I recognize that and realize I need a Savior and that all that I do to please G-d is in vain. Does that sound like what I’m saying? Because I believe….no…I KNOW that is the truth. I have been Baptized so many time that I should be growing moss on my backside. I have prayed diligently for days at a time. I have talked to so many so-called ‘pastors’ I could write a book on the things NOT said than the bull$#!? that they have spouted.

            Religion is man’s attempt to reach G-d. And It has failed every time. The Jews were to be ‘G-ds Chosen People': but just read the story of the Jews constant struggle to ‘get it right’. And when they did, just like all Human beings seem to do, they wanted to make it a ‘little bit better’ that what G-d made it.

            The fact of my Salvation really has nothing to do with me. Did I ask to be born into this World? No. So whatever conflicts that may be in the ‘spiritual plane’ – the area nobody can physically prove it even exists – are really none of my business. I have a Job to do – I must live Life.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-KAvPbO8JY

          • Jana

            Oh KG,

            You are so mixed up and confused. It’s because your flesh is fighting with your spirit. You actually don’t want to give up what you are doing in the flesh. That is the hard part.

            You stated that,” Jana, I know in your mind I’m going to He77 for the ‘theological’ position I posit”.

            KG, I am NOT your judge. Only God can do that as He knows your heart. I do know you have to be baptized only once not over and over and, you only have to accept Jesus as your Savior once, then after that you repent up to 7 times 70. KG I pray for you. I call out your site name before God and ask Him to help you, so no, there isn’t condemnation here.
            The one thing I do ask though is that you do stop spouting scriptures and claiming Jesus was a communist or how the Bible agrees with you and homosexuality. It does not. Please quit doing that while you are still ahead.
            Right now you sound so full of despair, but as long as you are alive, there is always hope.
            My prayer for you is that you are receptive and obedient to the Holy Spirit. He can show you when you are doing wrong, He can teach you the Truth. He is the part of the God Head that is on earth right now and is with us if we allow Him to be. He is the ONE who opens up the Scriptures and makes them come alive.
            This is what I pray for myself and my family daily.

          • KG

            quote:The one thing I do ask though is that you do stop spouting scriptures and claiming Jesus was a communist or how the Bible agrees with you and homosexuality. It does not. Please quit doing that while you are still ahead.

            I cannot intellectually escape from what the ‘word’ ACTUALLY says rather than what i WANT IT to say.

            2 Samuel 1:26
            King James Version (KJV)
            26 I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.

            The Hebrew word ahab, used to describe how Jonathan loved David, occurs 208 times in the Hebrew text of the Old Testament.

            It is translated love in the KJV 169 times and occurs in our story in 1 Samuel 16:21, 18:1, 3, 16, 20, 20:17 and II Samuel 1:26.

            The Holy Spirit used ahab in Genesis 29:20 to describe Jacob’s love for his wife Rachel and in Song of Solomon 3:1-4, to describe the love of the Shunamite girl for Solomon.

            The love of the Shulamite girl for Solomon is described as coming from her nephesh-soul, just as Jonathan’s love for David sprang from his nephesh-soul. Scripture uses ahabah to describe sexual love in the context of opposite sex marriage in Proverbs 5:19.

            Brown, Driver, Briggs, Gesenius Hebrew Lexicon defines ahab as:
            “Human love for a human object, including:
            love of man toward man,
            love of man toward himself,
            love between man and woman,
            love as sexual desire.”

            How can we determine if ahab, when describing how Jonathan loved David, refers to romantic love and love as sexual desire between two men?

            Context gives us insight because the way ahab is translated depends on context. In I Samuel 16:21, ahab is used of Saul’s love for David. Nothing in the context indicates romantic, sexual attraction between Saul and David. Therefore we conclude ahab refers to non-romantic love between David and King Saul.

            In I Samuel 18:16, ahab is used of the love of all Israel and Judah for David.

            Nothing in the context indicates romantic, sexual attraction between Israel, Judah and David. Therefore we conclude ahab refers to non-romantic love in this usage.

            In I Samuel 18:20, where Michal is said to love David, it is universally believed that ahab refers to the romantic, sexual love of Princess Michal for David. The Hebrew word for love-ahab, has not changed.

            What has changed is the context. The Hebrew word ahab in I Samuel 18:20 refers to the love of a woman for a man, both of whom eventually form a marriage partnership.

            G-d Did Not Use These Hebrew Words By Accident.

          • Jana

            You are wrong. We have gone over this before, but you have a mental block on this and as I said before I will not my pearls before swine.

            I will continue to pray for you but no more debates. You are the one that is confused and are having a hard time reaching God. It is simple. Jesus said if you love me Keep my commandments. You obviously only love yourself.

          • KG

            It’s OK Jana. I still respect you. I could continue trying to bash you over your head, but what good would that do? People have done that since the beginning of time. Like the Peace protester beating on someone with their peace sign, it’s just the folly of Man to do such things.

            While I do ‘love myself’ occasionally, I want to express my love for Mankind as well. Or, more like hope for Mankind.

            Here’s a little tune from one of the greatest poets of out time – Cat Stevens AKA Yousf Islam:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb_03LP55Lc

          • Bob666

            Yo KG,

            Still like Cat Stevens AKA Yousf Islam, he is a very talented man.

          • KG

            Some might regard him as a prophet. Although he would probably disagree with that. It was the movie Harold and Maude that brought my attention to him.

          • Bob666

            That was a good movie, interesting plot and ahead of it’s time and I had not thought of it since you brought it up.

          • KG

            What really fascinating is the subtle sub-plot of anti-war protest in the movie, especially after our recent history.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            To your last sentence – AMEN !

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            To your last sentence – AMEN !

          • Karolyn

            Everybody starts out as female.

          • Jana

            Oh brother.
            You definitely need a new pastor. Someone with some actual Biblical knowledge and comprehension.

          • KG

            Maybe YOU need to study some scientific facts concerning the human body. Although, for some religious fanatics, that’s taking “…of the forbidden fruit…” of knowledge. You wouldn’t want to do that. You may actually learn something from the real world.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PreAABChTyQ

          • Jana

            Like your Communism that you are always bragging about? No, I have talked to those who have lived under Communism, as well as Socialism and I don’t have to follow in those horrible foot steps to KNOW AND UNDERSTAND what a Godless society that is, and what a restrictive society that is.
            I feel so sorry for you KG. You really are a mental case.

          • KG

            Do you live in America? Youdo realize that America IS a ‘socialist’ country? Well, in a restricted sort of way, but, there is an absolute bottom you can fall to. If their is any kind of bottom to the system – ie Public Assistance.

            At one time in America, if you were to fail, you were left out in the streets. However, many in America felt that it was wrong to let people die in the streets of the wealthiest nation on earth. So people in America decided to take Christanity seriously and actually do what Christ told us what to do:

            Matthew 25:40-46
            King James Version (KJV)
            40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
            41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
            42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
            43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
            44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
            45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
            46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

          • Jana

            Our country has fought against Communism and Socialism, UNTIL Obama came in to office and brought it out.

          • KG

            Jana, what planet are you from? America has always had a tradition of providing and promoting the general welfare of it’s fellow citizens.

            While America was a relatively small country, most of so-called ‘welfare’ came from church groups as well as community organization like the Odd Fellows, Eagles, Elks, etc. It was the recognition that instead of a few scattered groups providing for the needs of the indigent that we, as a nation, could work together and provide this need for those who need it.

            The primary group was the Elderly. Unless you had a family that was ready to care for you, most old people perished in the streets. The Germans did it in 1889.

            Here’s a good article from the SS administration:

            http://www.ssa.gov/history/ottob.html

          • Average_Joe56

            There is no such thing as a “Liberal Christian”. The two concepts are diametrically opposed.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            ONLY man with the physical pathology has “breast”.
            And you know that.

          • KG

            Alondra,

            I thought you were a bible scholar? Or did you get most of your bible training from Charlton Heston movies?

            John 13:23-26
            King James Version (KJV)

            23 Now there was leaning on Jesus’ bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.
            24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.

            25 He then lying on Jesus’ breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?

            26 Jesus
            answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it.
            And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of
            Simon.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            I know you aren’t stupid like a MANURIAL INSECT of the 13 generation out of 14 that is flying here around, and I do not know YOUR MOTIVES why you are constantly playing a jerk.

            You KNOW it’s not about a “bible scholar[ly]”. It’s about Linguistic Etymology.

            *** Etymology is the study of the history of words,
            their origins, and how their form and meaning have CHANGED OVER TIME.
            By an extension, the term “the etymology of [a word]” means the origin of the particular word.

            BREAST (according to the http://www.wordreference.com)

            1) the front part of the body from the neck to the abdomen; chest

            2) either of the two soft fleshy milk-secreting glands on the chest in sexually mature human females

            6) the source of human emotions

            8) a projection from the side of a wall, esp that formed by a chimney

            9) beat one’s breast ⇒ to display guilt and remorse publicly or ostentatiously

            10) make a clean breast of ⇒ to make a confession of
            http://www.wordreference.com/definition/breast

            BREAST, noun http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/breast
            1) either one of the two soft parts on a woman’s chest that produce milk when she has a baby

            2) the front part of a person’s body between the neck and the stomach

            3) the chest thought of as the place where emotions are felt (the seat of emotion and thought: bosom – a person’s chest when it is thought of as the place where secret thoughts and feelings are kept; a person’s chest)

            According to the Online Etymology Dictionary http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=breast
            BREAST (n.)
            Old English breost “breast, bosom; mind, thought, disposition,” from Proto-Germanic *breustam “breast” … (cf. Middle Irish bruasach “having a broad, strong chest”)

            I have no idea who is Charlton Heston, neither what his movies are about?

            KG, cast your evil from YOUR breast and “beat your breast” and “make a clean breast of”.

            P.S. Yes, the word “BREAST” now mainly is used in the reference of the women “breast”. Therefore some translations omitting the word “breast” in the John 13:25:

            “25 So the disciple leaned toward Jesus and asked…” – Contemporary English Version

            “25 So that disciple, leaning back against Jesus…” – English Standard Version

            “25 He, leaning back thus on Jesus’ BOSOM…” – New American Standard Bible

            And Complete Jewish Bible uses “CHEST”
            “25 Leaning against Yeshua’s CHEST, he asked Yeshua…”

            KG, Please, do NOT DISTORT and TWIST God’s Word.
            If you are angry, “go out for some cocktails”

          • KG

            Alondra, I’m thinking English is not your first language.

            That’s OK, but there is more to words than what the Dictionary or Thesaurus can tell you. How about the word “Hooters”? Or another good one – ‘Winnebagos”? How about ‘Tata’s’? Or even ‘Luscious Love Lumps’?

            Give beer to those who are perishing and wine to those who are in anguish; let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more.
            — Proverbs 31:6-7

            OK. I usually don’t drink beer, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.

            Que Paso, Amiga!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            You are thinking right. English is my between 2nd & 3rd language. I hope you have no problems tounderstand MY English. And you can correct me. It will be greatly appreciated by me.

            And what about the word “Hooters”? Or another good one – ‘Winnebagos”? How about ‘Tata’s’? Or even ‘Luscious Love Lumps’?

            If you want to know about those words, WHY would not you just do some research to satisfy your curiosity and in the same time to learn something?

            Man can’t know and remember everything.
            “The secret things belong unto the Lord our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us…” (Deut.29:29)

            “It is the glory of God to conceal things.” (Pr.25:2)

            “He (Jesus) said them (to the apostles whom He had chosen): It is NOT FOR YOU TO KNOW times or
            seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority.”
            (Act.1:7)

            “The secret of the Lord is with them that fear Him…” (Ps.25:14)

            “My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are
            your ways My ways, declares the LORD.”
            (Isaiah 55:8)

            You wrote “Que Paso (past time), Amiga!”
            I guess you are asking “What’s up, Amiga?”
            So there should be a question mark, not an exclamation mark.

            Now I would like to ask you:
            ¿Qué pasa (present time) contigo, Amigo? –
            What is going on with you, Friend?
            WHY and at WHOM are you so angry?

            You must remember that the anger and hate are destroying person.

          • KG

            Hola mi Reina,

            I lived in Los Angeles for almost 20 years. I picked up poquito spanish – just enough to get me in trouble! I know a lot of ‘bad’ words but I wouldn’t want to offend you. I’m not angry at you or anybody in particular. It does frustrate me to see many in our country who seem to forget what freedom really is. I believe that there is true freedom in Christ, however, I’m almost embarrassed to express it due to the stupidity of so many who claim to be Christian and. yet, have absolutely no concept of what faith in Christ really is.

            My landlady in LA was from Mexico. Her name is Lupe’. She had a daughter named Raquel. I would come home dirty from work and she would say “Muchas trabajo, poco dinero!” . She was a special woman.

            I hope all is well with you. I know I can be a jerk sometimes. But please remember, I have strong feelings just like you. Sometimes I forget that I’m talking to human beings just like myself. I like coming here and ‘talk’ about stuff that you probably couldn’t talk about anywhere else.

            Take care – Via con Dios!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Hola rebelde.
            After reading a couple your comments, I felt that you are feigning to be someone you aren’t.

            For 12+ years I worked for the city’s justice department as a psychologist. My job was a psychological evaluation of the convicted before a trial and also inmates who qualified for the parole. I read a lot police and jail officials’ reports and the convicted and inmates’ letters, which were very revealing. When I read letters, I saw their souls. Often I had very mixed feelings. I did not see criminals, I saw desperate, angry or hateful (rarely) persons, who made bad choices being angry and/or impatient in resolving their personal problemas.

            “26 Be angry, and do not sin”:[f] do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the devil.” (Ephesians 4:26-27)

            Here “be angry” is in the imperative form, but right away follows warning: be angry, BUT SIN NOT – control yourself. It means do not make decision in the moment being angry, because the emotions of the anger are dangerous and often lead to violence/crime.

            So Bible tells us it’s not wrong to be angry, but anger must be forwarded against evil. As my teacher told me: Be angry with right person for right reason and by God’s standards.

            I liked my job. I had a lot very intelligent friends. In Soviet Union the education was FREE, you just had to pass 4 exams, receive required points and you are student. Many had 2-3 Tertiary educations.

            According to the Organization for Economic
            Cooperation and Development (OECD) report Russia is World’s Most Educated Country.

            54% of Russians aged 25-64 hold academic degrees. Russia is followed by Canada (51%), Israel (46%), Japan (45%) and the United States (42%).

            I am OK thanks to my dear God, who is guiding me and PROTECTING me. I feel very strongly His protection in all circumstances I been.

            He is faithful and truthful to His Word: “Beloved, DO NOT AVENGE yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will REPAY,” says the Lord.” (Romans 12:19)

            And He does and I am witnessing that.

            I hope all is and will be well with you. Try not be a jerk, but I understand that sometimes negative feelings and actions are provoked. I just ask you ONE thing: do NOT misuse Bible. I feel that you are doing that intentionally, not feelingly. You know Bible. I am wondering if you did study It somewhere.

            Best wishes y Que Dios te acompañará siempre. Él es el mejor Amigo, siempre fiel, nunca te traicionará.

          • KG

            Прощание друга
            Proshchaniye druga

            I hope that’s right!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Well, if you “hope that’s right”, so it’s right.

            Everyone decides and choose what is “good” for him/her.

            I just would like to comment on your previous reply:

            You said: “I believe that there is true freedom in Christ, however, I’m almost embarrassed to express it due to the stupidity of so many who claim to be Christian and yet, have absolutely no concept of what faith in Christ really is.”

            ~ Take advantage of this Gift (“freedom in Christ”). It’s a gift, so it’s for FREE.

            ~ You SHALL NOT be “embarrassed” for others. You are responsible only for yourself:

            EACH of us shall give an account of HIMSELF to God.” (Romans 14:12)

            “…Father, Who judges impartially according to
            EACH to EVERY man’s deeds
            …”
            (1Pt.1:17)

            “Be not deceived: God IS NOT MOCKED; for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.” (Galatians 6:7)

            “Therefore I WILL JUDGE YOU … EVERY ONE ACCORDING to his ways, says the LORD God. Repent
            and TURN YOURSELVES FROM ALL YOUR
            TRANSGRESSIONS; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.”
            (Ezekiel 18:30)

            “Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.
            (Ecclesiastes 12:12)

            And you SHALL remember this:

            “But with me it is a VERY SMALL THING that I should BE JUDGED BY YOU OR BY A HUMAN court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord.(1Corinthians 4:3, 4)

            Don’t look back. It’s the past. Look forward, in future.

            Te deseo lo major en el mundo, especialmente paz contigo mismo.

            Y eso es la cancion apropriada para occasion: Encuentra la VERDAD (just relax when you will listen – I hope) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzfBoL5uF6o

            “[Y]ou shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you FREE.” – Jesus Christ (John 8:32)

            P.S. One more thing – I would like to apologize for calling you “son of Devil’.

          • KG
          • FreedomFighter

            “The Bible is but one of many books in which mankind attempts to decipher the sublime and the ineffable.”

            Dipstick try’s to explain the greatest book ever written with fluffy foolishness, spreading his own stinky brand of manure. Despicable You. Laus DeoSemper FI

          • KG

            Did you know G-d is a crazy woman?

            http://www.principiadiscordia.com/index.php

          • FreedomFighter

            When you actually meet GOD, even though it will most likely be very brief, you will know, then as you fall screaming into the pit it will give you something to think about for eternity.
            Laus Deo
            Semper FI

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Don’t waste time arguing with those who are hunters of souls. They are not satisfied with their own UNBELIEF they need others to be like them.

          • KG

            Matthew 7:2
            King James Version (KJV)
            2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

            Ready for your Auto De Fei?

          • Jana

            With talk like you have been talking KG, anyone that knows what God says about it, it doesn’t take judgement, it just takes knowledge.

          • KG

            Prov 24:3-4 (NIV) By wisdom a house is built, and through understanding it is established; through knowledge its rooms are filled with rare and beautiful treasures.

            1 Corinthians 13
            King James Version (KJV)
            13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity (love), I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
            2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
            3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

          • Jana

            It would be nice if you actually understood and FOLLOWED these practices. But, as we all witness here on this board and others you don’t.

          • Jana

            KG,
            You told me the other day you were your own pastor. you need a new pastor.

          • Deerinwater

            Well,~ it was Man that gender’ed God Alex. ~ To be correct man created God to explain what he could not understand or grasp in any other way.

            That’s not to say that the Divine is a construct of man.

            There is a difference. ~

          • Vigilant

            To be correct man recognized God’s existence as an explanation for what he could not understand or grasp in any other way.

            Either statement is acceptable, and as unproveable as the other. Neither is scientific fact, both are expressions of belief.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You are STUPID, notice I didn’t say uneducated as you probably put in a lot of time in classrooms but somehow they were not productive.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            All this rubbishy verbiage to say you won’t believe. Your choice but it can’t go any further than yourself.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sublime?

          • Average_Joe56

            Are you suffering from gender confusion again?
            The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost……
            I see no mention of the Mother, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Are you sure that you’re not reading your Satanic Bible again?…..Or maybe …the “Book of Liberal Fallacies”? “Stuck on Stupid”?

      • FreedomFighter

        Maybe, but the Godless, progressive communist version being pushed down Americans throats is not the way.
        Laus DeoSemper FI

      • Unhappy CT Taxpayer

        I am the last person to talk about faith. However, I sincerely doubt god would want all people to have healthcare at the tip of a Roman or US Speer in this case!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So why are you not taking care of yourself? You need government for healthcare. Are you that stupid that you won’t take of your own body and mind and soul? You need government to blow your nose for you and wipe it? Tell you how to wipe your butt or do you want the government to send someone over to remind you to do it.

    • Alex

      God, of course, would be pleased if all of Her children had health care…

  • FreedomFighter

    Ahh…the nuclear option. No exemptions to kill ObamaCare, actually brilliant.
    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

  • squeeze127

    Pat Buchanan has said that for a few weeks now, and I concur! That’s the only way to put this man on the defensive, another corner he’s painted himself into. We need to show the cracks that are developing in the left wing!

    • KG

      Cracks in the Left Wing?

      ‘I belong to no organized political party – I Am a Democrat!
      Will Rodgers

      • squeeze127

        Your Jimmy Hoffa has been crying to your fearless leader about their Cadillac healthcare plans and 29 hour work week.

      • FreedomFighter

        KG, will at the last, are Democraps going to hang themselves with the rope they made for the public? Didn’t Marx or some other notorious communist say something about hanging capitalists with their own rope, they made?
        Good thing about rope is that it does not respect political affiliation.
        Laus DeoSemper FI

        • Deerinwater

          Dream on.

        • KG

          The development of Modern Industry, therefore, cuts from under its feet the very foundation on which the bourgeoisie produces and appropriates products.What the bourgeoisie therefore produces, above all, are its own grave-diggers. Its fall and the victory of the proletariat are equally inevitable.

          Marx/Engle The Communist Manifesto

          http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Unfortunately for the Commies, experience has shown that their goals are not only immoral but complete failures. There will always be those, though, who think — But This Time it Will Work!
            Sure.

        • nc

          Fighter of freedom
          Sorta like Republican Jindal said that Republicans were hanging themselves at the polls with their own rope! THEIR DUMB POSITIONS like on abortion and immigration and shutting down the government!
          Plus dumb decisions like putting Caribou Barbie and Mittens on a national ticket!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Imagine that. NutCase thinks life is so precious that we should be able to help ourselves to other people’s money.
            Unless that life belongs to an unborn child.

      • Don 2

        A Zombie has no will of his own – walking around blindly with dead eyes – following orders – not knowing what they do – not caring. “You mean like a Democrat?” ~ Bob Hope

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So you are admitting that you belong to no organized political party, you are a Democrat.

  • johnkau

    Imagine this: How much “input” does a man receive in a day?
    How much is coming at him every single day? Messages, requests, questions, problems – from work, from the media, from his friends and family…?
    Now – imagine how in the world

  • TIME

    My Dear People,
    As the words of Bill Clinton ring clearly like a bell on a mountain top.
    {“The American People will get use to Communism.”}
    That clearly states what the alleged “Affordable Health Care Act” ~ really is all about, BTW ~ that’s straight from the mouth of one of the NWO’s leading figure heads.
    People, this has nothing to do with Health Care, as well it has nothing to do with just O’Bama. – O’Bama is nothing more ~ nor less than a talking FACE ~ for the New World Order, not unlike Both Bush’s, and yes people even the beloved Ronald Regan of the GOP, who by the way was also a member of the Grove, as well the CFR and the NWO.
    Look people I keep telling you, nothing is what you think it is, its 100% not what its sold as no matter who’s selling the bag of Bovine Waste.
    There is no difference between being a D or an R, its “ONE SINGLE SOLID COIN” with two hands, one in a soft glove, the other just an IRON fist.
    Will you all stop the beating up of each other, if you believe in ” FREEDOM” then its TIME to remove all the “Draconian” Criminal Power freaks from the “City State” of the District of Columbia. { By what ever means. }
    Take back what has been taken away by these Criminals
    If not, then prepare yourself for what is about to unfold that will not end well for ALL Americans, ~ no matter what stupid political party you think you are.
    You have been warned countless TIMES now, what will it take to break you from your slumbers.
    This is not a stupid Football game, this is the real deal people and its near its end.
    Peace and Love,
    Get straight with Jesus Christ before you have not options left.
    Again you have been warned how many TIMES.

    • Truthful

      Thank you for your common sense. May God bless us one and all.

    • Don 2

      TIME,

      It doesn’t matter what the truth is because there are way too many takers, ignorant voters, and a useless media, to make a meaningful change happen. The change will only come when the House of Cards actually comes crashing down. Although no one knows what that change will look like, we do know that it will not be pretty.

  • Clean The Rat’s Nest

    This illegitimate Mu-slime imposter POS has but one agenda – To fundamentally change America into a defenseless failed third-world banana republic styled craphole, and he is succeeding brilliantly with the support of the likes of labor unions, Harry Reid and the other detritus known as Democraps.

  • A_Murricun

    Not so much changing tactics as raising the stakes. The Right has many possible demands – Keystone pipeline, glasnost on Benghazi, kill renewable fuel standards and other job-killing regs, prosecute ACORN, turn over the IRS rock, and show us the real birth certificate and college records, for openers.

    The question is, how badly does Barry want his health plan? His “signature achievement”?

    • Deerinwater

      If you wish to put it that way. ~ He’s got it already. ~ Done!

      • A_Murricun

        I should have asked “how badly does Barry want *to keep* his health plan?” If it isn’t funded, it’s nothing but a scratchy roll of Charmin.

    • nc

      A Murricun , Obama has his health plan. What you and Wayne can’t come to grips with is that it has already passed!
      Wayne wants to rewrite a law whose main purpose was to give those WHO can’t afford INSURANCE on the open market an opportunity to purchase it! Not to put everyone under one plan!
      What part of “if you already have insurance you may keep it!” do you not understand??
      So your side has a lot of “possible demands”! What is keeping the Right from bringing them to floor of the House they control one at a time like it has been done for the last 230 years?? If you can’t get them by the Senate that’s just tough s**T. That’s the Constitution in action!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You are planning to be sick a lot so you can milk the new insurance system? Do you give a thought that you will be giving your money away even if you don’t ever get sick and you will be giving away lots of your money to get very little?
        Better make sure you don’t have catastrophic or chronic illnesses.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          He already does have. It’s called Terminal Ignorance.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        NutCase says — “What you and Wayne can’t come to grips with is that it has already passed!”.
        What you can’t come to grips with, NutCase, is that the Government can’t pay its bills so it has to cut somewhere. Why not the extravagant boondoggle that was passed against the citizens’ will using Government sleight of hand?

        NutCase says — “That’s the Constitution in action!”.
        No, NutCase, Obamacare is NOT Constitutional. There is nowhere in the Constitution where the Government is given the right to Force citizens to buy something they don’t want to buy.

        • nc

          aboriginal, that’s not how the Constitutionally created Supreme Court sees it! Sorry, but there is no ” Aboriginal doesn’t like it so it’s dead ” clause. Not being able to pay our bills is what this is all about! Not NEW spending money but money to pay ON the OLD bills!
          UNLESS YOU BELONG TO A PARTY THAT CAN CHANGE THOSE FACTS JUST DO WHAT YOUR DO BEST! SIT IN YOUR MOTHER’S BASEMENT AND COMPLAIN! libertarianism and mises will not be the answer! They are pipe dreams of the delusional!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            NutCase says — “that’s not how the Constitutionally created Supreme Court sees it!”.
            The Supreme Court was Constitutionally created, but it was not Constitutionally given the Power to be the sole arbiter of Constitutionality. It just stole that Power in 1803.
            Anybody who believes that our Founders — Representatives of their various States — would grant such Power to a branch of the Federal Government is smoking some powerful stuff.
            http://mises.org/daily/4477

          • smilee

            For over 210 years they have done it that and you right or wrong (and your are wrong) will not change it. Even Jefferson had to back down on this.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Secession is in our future:
            http://mises.org/daily/3427

        • smilee

          Oh but the courts made a liar out of you!! You have been exposed for what you really are

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, the courts just did what you’d expect any Gang member to do — Stick up for their fellow Gang members.

      • S.C.Murf

        nc are you really that much of a simpleton? You lie. TIME to make that popping sound

        up the hill
        airborne

    • smilee

      He already has it and they do not have the power to do much about that except obstruct and shut down the government which will not take it away from him.

  • Jurgy

    Wayne, aren’t you simply proposing a single payer solution???

    • Speedy

      I thought he was.

  • Vigilant

    Mr. Root says, “Think of Obama’s only two options at that point. He can either tell the American people that government will stay shut “because I refuse to force corporations, unions and Congress to live by the same rules as the rest of you,” or he can immediately reopen the government and fund Obamacare but cause a war inside the Democratic Party by abandoning his big corporate donors and unions. He loses big either way.”

    WRONG! Obama would have a third choice, and there’s no doubt in my mind he would take it. It’s the choice he has ALWAYS taken: LIE! With media complicity, he would keep the discussion in general political terms and continue to paint the Repubs as obstructionist. He and his spin doctors would morph the discussion into something completely unrelated to the actualities.

    Mr. Root, you make the egregious error of assuming such a bill would even come to Obama’s desk for signature. It would NEVER make it through the Senate.

    • Deerinwater

      obstructionist? ~ having no plan of their own that they are willing to promote, having no “Track record” they are willing to promote ~ the GOP had spent 6 years attempting to conduct the business of government with obstructionism.

      If the Affordable health care Act is a can of worms as some suggest, ~ Opposition will continue to grow to it and it will addressed.

      • Vigilant

        You’re damned right. When the “leadership” and his socialist co-conspirators want to establish a form of government completely alien to the designs of the Founders, the Repubs should not be the party of “no,” they should be the party of “HELL NO!”

        • smilee

          They are the party of HELL NO and it is destroying them.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, what nearly destroyed them were the half of the Tea Party Republicans who caved at the last Debt Ceiling consideration, convincing voters that they were wasting their time counting on Republicans.
            If they hang tough and get something done, they will be rewarded.

          • smilee

            MORE PURE BULL!!

          • Vigilant

            Smilee, if you had any brains you’d address the argument with facts, not bluster and ad hominem. But, of course, we will no doubt be treated with a continuation of your
            demonstrated stupidity, delivered as only you can, in one-line zingers in third grade English.

          • smilee

            Go back and read and you will find i have stated numerous facts with davy facts do not work so why bother trying to use them on him.

          • Vigilant

            Smilee, you always deliver as promised.
            I’m forced to downgrade your English to second grade. That last sentence(?) was pure confusion. Only your thought process is more inferior than your English.

      • S.C.Murf

        deer who puts together the budget and sends it to the pres? I don’t believe we’ve had a budget bill for about 6 years now what’s up with that?

        up the hill
        airborne

    • smilee

      You sound mad oh and stupid!!

      • Vigilant

        Such is the well-reasoned, fact-laden response we have come to expect from smilee. Can’t address the factual content, so he comes up with…nothing. Better work on that English, too.

        Stopped hitting yourself in the head with a hammer yet? It feels so good when you stop.

  • Jim B

    All the political tomfoolery is just good entertainment. At the end of the day, it’s a 50-50 America with a media coverage/bias of about 80-20, liberals-conservatives respectively. Media is the epicenter of the lies, and misinformation through misdirection, and stupidity. For one, the government IS NOT shut down, just the government non-essential workers have been furloughed. This happens by the thousands every day in the private sector, where’s the media coverage on that? Second, the us debt, where to begin… here’s one, the government pays only interest on the debt, approximately 3% of GDG. The possibility that the government will default on the debt is next to nil, that’s ZERO possibility. Oh, and by the way, the FED will continue to print 89 Billion dollars a month regardless of the government does because they have nothing to do with them. Central Banks run the countries money, not the government… bet 80 percent of the American people doesn’t even know this. The US takes in nearly 2. 7 Trillion in Tax Revenues, that’s like a couple thousand times more than we spend on debt payments. Lies Lies Lies, misconceptions, misinformation, and perspiration can’t change the ignorance that has taken over this country populous. Our voting youth are so indoctrinated they don’t even know what the dollar actually is, or where it gets its value. We all now they don’t know how to earn it. Personally, I could give two Schlitz about the government parties and that prick in the WH. The best America can hope for is a permanent shut down, believe me America would be much better off!

  • Karolyn

    Root is wrong. Obama has said he will take constructive ideas, but the gov. has to be reopened first. Why have the repubs not dealt with this over the past few years? Why wait til now? Grandstanding? They will suffer in the end. I’m sure they are hearing from a lot of constituents like me who are contacting them to express outrage.

    • Jim B

      What, have you been sleeping next to the President for the past several years. Countless attempts have been made for changes and he has taken up none of it. Reid has blocked everything coming into the Senate from the House on his Masters orders, and why am I talking to stupid?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      They are working with what they have, Karolyn.
      I thought you claimed to be leaning Libertarian, yet here you are sticking up for Big Government largess?

      • smilee

        The problem davie is they have nothing to work with they just think they do!!

        • Vigilant

          You mean like your brains?

          • smilee

            NO BUT THAT WOULD BE TO DEEP
            FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND

          • Average_Joe56

            Ok smilee, calm down ( seems you’ve gotten your knickers in a twist).Take a deep breath and hold it…..for about 20 minutes.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I think it takes longer for lower forms of life.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Who are you kidding, Sleepee? Your ears are bookends to a vacuum.

      • Karolyn

        I am not sticking up for anyone. Just stating facts. It is sad that so many have to suffer over politics.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          They’re suffering? They are eligible for unemployment, and likely have nice severance packages. With the money that taxpayers are unwillingly donating for their Government salaries, the Private sector could create more jobs and they would be Productive jobs.

          • Karolyn

            I’m not necessarily talking about the gov. employees. What about the children who cannot continue with cancer treatment clinical trials, important research that has to stop, people who have planned vacations for years only to have them thwarted? I heard of a guy who planned a rafting trip down the Colorado River for 18 years. It took a lot just to get permits. Now he and his group are camped outside the park waiting – and possibly losing the $37,000 it has cost them. People are here from other countries specifically to see certain sites and they can’t.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So Karolyn, if you have a daughter who is running your credit card to the max, you just let her continue because the recipients of her largess will suffer if you cut her off?
            Besides that reality, much of the shutdown is being done purposely to elicit public sympathy. Read these:
            http://reason.com/blog/2013/10/02/government-will-shut-down-websites-even
            http://reason.com/blog/2013/10/02/workers-attempt-to-block-off-wwii-memori

          • independent thinker

            Karolyn I read an article yesterday saying only new patients would be affected, those already in the programs would not be affected.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If you feel sorry for the children, Karolyn, then why are you sitting idly by while the Government saddles them with Trillions of dollars in future debt, debt that they didn’t even get to vote on?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As far as the National Parks go, Karolyn, the Feds could just contract their management to private companies who would charge people a fee for their entertainment. Whatever the market would bear. The shutdown is just Federal Government grandstanding.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        She losing track of her “prevarications”.

    • smilee

      Their suffering is the only good thing that will come out of this.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Another “compassionate” Liberal Progressive outs himself.

    • Jana

      Obama is too busy PLAYING GAMES. Golf again. His 35th round of golf for the year so far, aren’t the Liberals proud of him? The country is in a crisis but he needs to play his games. Oh, but that doesn’t count towards vacation time, nor does it count for the money spent to play this cheap game. That was a joke in case you didn’t know, as it is a very expensive game to play, esp. where he plays, plus the extra man power for security for El Presedente.
      I guess he has to spend his time doing something. He sure isn’t being constructive.

  • rwm44

    bill passes house democrat controlled at time many bought off (check)
    bill passes senate democrat controlled at time many bought off (check)
    bill is signed into law by the illegal occupant of white house (check)
    republican controlled house now trying to undo wrongs by democraps

    • KG

      “we got a half of a pack of cigarettes, a full tank of gas, it’s dark, and we are wearing sunglasses……..

      “HIT IT!”

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPwW7RaPO_g

      • rwm44

        and that has to do with what

        • KG

          I thought we were doing ‘check lists’???

          Didn’t you get the memo???

          • Vis Fac

            Apparently you and dumb dave get very little.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            A lot more than you ever have!

        • Vis Fac

          KGB has brain cancer from the cigarettes and tripping from the fumes emitted from the vapor in that half tank of gasoline.

          Come to think of it, that’s been his problem all along he had his nostrils glued shut from sniffing glue then used to gasoline to remove the glue and just being stupid smokes cigarettes which caused the cancer.

          Now we know.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

    • rwm44

      delusional for you i remember lots of closed door meetings and democraps ending up with alot of useless pet projects getting approved right after they agreed to vote for o-care

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        The squeaky wheels get the grease. Why would the Leaders waste their Pork on states that are already enthralled by them?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          So you think people should be self-sufficient and pay their own way, Shill Dave?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            There’s a sure cure for that, Shill Dave — Cut Federal Government Spending — DRAMATICALLY.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            All subsidies should be ended. It’s not their money to give.
            You will never get money out of the political process. But we can take away the tools that Politicians use to aid their Crony Capitalists — Subsidies, Quotas, Tariffs, Price Controls, Regulations, and the myriad other techniques they use.
            For those who think regulations are there to protect the people:
            http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Ripoff-Business-Government/dp/0471789070

          • Jana

            Most of us have no qualms about ending farm susbidies or oil subsidies, and especially the political process.
            Cutting the defense is suicidal and idiotic.

          • Jana

            You ask,” Care to explain your reasoning there?”

            NO!!! Not to you.!!! It wouldn’t matter. I already told you I had no qualms about the farm subsidies and oil subsidies, yet you still give your little jabs.

            You won’t learn, you don’t want to learn. You aren’t on this site to learn, you are on this site to fight and cause trouble.
            If you can’t figure out why cutting our defense budget would hurt us when we have such great enemies then you aren’t very smart, which I doubt you are very smart any way Dave!

          • Jana

            Oh I know all right. I have family in the military. As i said before, If you can’t figure out why cutting our defense budget would hurt us
            when we have such great enemies then you aren’t very smart, which I
            doubt you are very smart any way.

          • Jana

            What happened here, I thought this post was from terri before??? I knew it was from the hypocrite Dave all along.

          • Dave

            Justify 700B dollars a year then Jana. You can’t unless one of your conservative heroes gets use into another useless war. You are an easily led fraud. I guess you will have to deal with the ignorance you spout when we die by the sword or bankruptcy for a boogeyman your corp masters convinced you was there.

          • Karolyn

            Even cutting the waste in the DOD? I’m sure the defense budget could be trimmed very nicely without endangering the American people.

          • Jana

            Yes, and we know you are the biggest hypocrite of them all!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Record low approval ratings?
      You have evidence for that claim, Shill Dave?

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        What do you know, Shill Dave actually told the truth for once.
        Keep that up and you might gain some credibility on this board, Shill Dave.
        The problem with the Tea Party is that they had no consistent Core platform. It is/was difficult to know what they really stand for.
        Unlike the Libertarian Party, which has had an unwavering platform of Freedom for 40 years now.
        For Limited Government, Free Markets, Personal Responsibility, Individual Freedom, and the PEACE that comes with those principles — Vote Libertarian!
        http://www.lp.org/platform

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Okay, I get it, you’re trying to kill me by making me laugh to death.

          • Jana

            See what I mean.

        • Jana

          But thinking yourself as perfect you never think you are wrong.

    • mnkysnkle

      Gallup equates the low approval rating to their drop in support by the voters. You don’t think the suppression by the IRS against TEA party PAC’s had anything to do with that? Why do Cruz and Lee have such a high rating now?

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Wayne says — “Remove all exemptions, exceptions and waivers to Obamacare”.
    That’s simple? With the debt-ceiling issue, a majority vote of Congress must be given to raise the debt ceiling. If they don’t get that vote, the Debt Ceiling doesn’t get raised. It doesn’t matter if the Senate goes along or not, as long as the House holds firm.
    But removing all exemptions, exceptions and waivers to Obamacare would require a new bill which would have to garner the cooperation of the Senate which has steadfastly refused to go along with such actions.

    You’re dreaming, Wayne.

    • FreedomFighter

      Yes but a good dream. They know without the weasel exemption ObamaCare will set the country on fire against them…ObamaCare is just that terrible of a law.
      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

    • Kaiser

      Actually not, as I understand it the ‘Law’ , as it was originally written didn’t have the exemptions. Obama later added the clauses that exempted the unions and congress critters. Just eliminate the clauses.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Who will do that and how?

    • independent thinker

      If the house includes “Remove all exemptions, exceptions and waivers to Obamacare”. in its continuing resolution bill then the senate will have to either vote for or against it (assuming Reed lets it come to a vote). If that happens then the Republicans can use it to their advantage just as Wayne said. Will it happen? I am not going to hold my breath waiting for it.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Thinker,
        There have been many such occasions in the past and it has only resulted in the Republicans being slandered successfully to ignorant people.
        Don’t get me wrong, I would love it if they could pull it off, I just don’t think they can. There is no better time than now for them to show the people, once and for all, just how useless all that Federal Government really is.

    • I want my country back

      I don’t believe that is what he is suggesting. I think he is saying remove all exemptions from the Act, Plan (whatever you want to call it) as it is. Do not let anyone get any breaks from participating fulling in the new “Law.” NOT rewrite it.

      • Jana

        It is your Great Obama that has given most of these exemptions. That of course has been illegal.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        How would we do that?

  • rb

    Take a closer look. Speaker Boner will never introduce anything requiring everyone including himself to participate in Obamacare. He worked to hard to get the exemption for himself. Just check out the “leaked” emails that were published this morning. Boner’s grimy little handprints are all over the exemption. He will grandstand and keep introducing ammendments he knows will absolutely fail by way of the earlier backroom deal he made with Reid and McConnel to keep his elitist friends all cozy and insulated from what the rest of us has to put up with. There is no GOP to save. There are only the elitists who rule. When America wakes up to that fact we can change that. Until America wakes up to that fact it will be business as usual.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Once people realize that Government is just a very large self-serving Gang, everything Government does becomes clear.

      “To say governments were formed to protect the rights of men would be historically incorrect. Almost all governments were formed by ruthless men exerting their will over others through the use of force. Some governments, over time, evolved toward the rule of law, perhaps only because their rulers saw that this would sanction their own continued enjoyment of the wealth that they possessed. In some instances, this evolution involved one or more “revolutions” in which those who were governed were able to better establish the rule of law” — Clifford Thies.

      • smilee

        Davie the vast majority are never going to agree with you so why knock your self out over it.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Then why are you trying so desperately to silence me, Sleepee?

        • rwm44

          im on daves side as are more than you think

        • Average_Joe56

          smelee,
          Then why is it that you always seem to be in the minority when it comes to agreeability? If so many folks don’t agree with TODH…why does he get so many up votes…while all of your posts receive mainly…negative votes……
          Me thinks your premise is flawed….

          • smilee

            Here yes, in they country I’m with the majority and that is were it really counts not on this site as being in the majority here only proves you are out of touch with reality.

          • Jana

            DUH!! Ya think??

          • Average_Joe56

            “In mainstream sites, Smilee would have much more support…. But that is not this site.”

            By mainstream, I presume that you are referring to Liberal biased media? AKA…Lamestream Media?
            You and smilee are free to exit at anytime you choose. It is obvious that neither of you have made any converts here…and you are not likely to do so. That being said, we can only guess that your true agenda is to disrupt the boards and nothing more….being the Trolls that you are.
            Most of us are tired of arguing with you….notice that I didn’t say debate…I said argue. Arguing is all that you folks seem to know how to do…truth doesn’t phase you…facts don’t phase you…nothing phases your narrow, set minds.
            Please share your discord elsewhere…you are simply a waste of our time.

  • Nadzieja Batki

    The scaring of the American people has begun by the Dems/Progs/Leftists.

  • smilee

    You had your chance last fall and you completely failed at it, and in the GOP h shutting the government things will get worse for that effort in that regard Your stuck with Obama and Obamacare so get used to it.

    • Frank Kahn

      Obama, and Reid, shut the government down, not the conservatives.

  • smilee

    You forgot they reelected Obama last fsll bestowing on him the right to veto all their nonsense and they can do nothing but obstruct as the people did not give them any where enough power to change anything about Obamacare. They are refusing to honor the will of the people and that always leads to destruction for them in the end.

  • flashy

    The Affordable Health Care Act was passed by both houses of the legislature. It was signed into law by the Executive. The SCOTUS ruled it constitutional. Pres Obama ran on the health Care issue and thumped the GOP.

    The wacked extremists, without offering any alternative or substitute, ate now turning the CONSTITUTIONAL process into a totally invalid process and holding the government bodies, the national economy, and the People hostage because … the CONSTITUTION which they claim is so hallowed tothem worked and they don’t like it ?

    Time after time, example upon example…the Tea Party crazies and the Christian American Taliban prove their anti American desires.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      ObamaCare was passed using coercion and bribes. The majority of the people were opposed, but that didn’t stop the Liberal Progressive Leaders.
      http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law
      Now the people are ordering their Representatives to do something about it, and the Representatives are listening.

      • independent thinker

        I have yet to see an actual credible survey or poll showing what you claim. I have however seen several showing just the opposite.

        • mnkysnkle

          WOW!! You actually used the “discredited” “MinionMedia” propaganda mouthpieces as your source? They were called out by the credited pollsters Rasmussen and PEW for washing their polls. And of course they did the “liberal thang” and just ignored the true facts to continue with their lies. Go figure!! Your see-BS article from last January doesn’t even cite their source, and it still required 5>>count em>>(five) contributors for the piece of misinformation they foisted on the public. Then the WashingtonPost article from last December can give you the “willies”. They cite their source from YouGov (now defunct, gee I wonder why). And it took 3 (three) contributors for this one. I can only imagine what kind of questions they were asking.>>>>”Do you own, ever owned, thought about owning, or know anyone who owns, has owned, or thought about owning a scary gun, or don’t you know? Answer one YES[ ] NO [ ]

          ……………ROTFLMAO!!!! for starters..

          • Average_Joe56

            They have nothing else to work with….Trolls are like that……

          • Average_Joe56

            Nope…but thanks for offering…..
            Polls are just random numbers. Polls vary…depending on the questions asked, the manner of language used and who was asked. Polls can be manipulated to give any result desired. I don’t put much faith in polls…after all Dewey was president ….right?
            Do we know if the exact same questions were asked in each poll…in the exact same manner? Do we know who was asked, what they were asked or how they were asked?
            Let’s not forget, that you are taking a leap of faith that there “was” a poll even taken. Unless you participated in the administering of the poll (you work for the poll takers)…..you are accepting with blind faith that what they are telling you is true…gullible much?
            There’s an old saying that seems to fit here:
            “Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you actually see.”

          • Average_Joe56

            You want me to tell the very people who are carrying out my wishes…to ignore my wishes? Adjust your meds.

            As far as I am concerned, they can shut down the Federal Government…permanently. They can all pack up their belongings and go home….for good. I am pretty sure that my state, county and local governments can function quite well…without the Federal Government riding roughshod over them and dictating “terms” to us…the People.

            I am guessing that you don’t have the same faith in your local and state representatives to be able to handle governance in a proper manner…how sad…maybe you should have voted differently…..you got what you asked for…..leave the rest of us alone.

            You folks who can’t seem to manage your own lives…don’t need to be telling the rest of us how to live ours. Shut it all down….and we will watch the leaches and rats of society…..starve to death….or learn to earn their keep…A small lesson in reality.

            TNSTAAFL

            “I don’t trust a man who talks about ethics when he is picking my pocket. But if he is acting in his own self-interest and says so, I have usually been able to work out some way to do business with him.”
            Robert A. Heinlein

          • Average_Joe56

            Are you rambling…just for the sake of rambling?

            How about trying…complete sentences….and spelling words that are actually in a dictionary…somewhere in the known universe? I didn’t come here to play “find a word” with children.

            Your entire post is completely incoherent .

            Practice, Practice, Practice……

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            How many people here believe Shill Dave should be deported?

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Where? To HuffPost?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Your “opinion” is dictated by your boiler room handlers.
            Don’t try to turn the tables on me, Shill Dave. The intelligent readers know who is working for the Crony Capitalists. But they surely aren’t paying you from their own pockets, so they must have access to taxpayer money.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Obviously you are too ignorant to understand the irony of my “deport” comment for a guy who thinks it’s okay for the majority to do anything they want to the minority.
            Whatever they’re paying you, Shill Dave, is too much.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So Shill Dave, you haven’t answered my question:
            “Do you think if the Majority of Citizens voted to kill all Blacks, that would be okay?”.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As usual, Shill Dave does his usual dancing around instead of answering my question.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Shill Dave says — “The Dems have never threatened to shut down the Gov because the GOP are not supporting the will of the people either”.
            Never say Never, Shill Dave:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_1995_and_1996

          • NC

            RASMUSSEN??? THEY ARE ON A PAR WITH WAYNE ROOT IS POLITICAL CALLS AND THEY SUPPOSEDLY ASK QUESTIONS> THEY MISSED THE HAWAII SENATE RACE BY 40%!! THEIR POLL(?) SHOWED THE WINNER BY 13%! HE WON BY 53%.
            THEIR POLLS ALWAYS ERR ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE! WHY ARE THEY SUCH FAVORITES WITH CONSERVATIVES???LIKE FAUX NOISE!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Unfortunately, the majority of people have been propagandized into a stupor. Here are some reasons that background checks aren’t a good idea:
          http://www.gunowners.org/fs9301.htm
          Waiting periods are a joke. Crimes of passion are more likely to be committed with weapons other than guns:
          http://crimeisachoice.blogspot.com/2010/09/crimes-of-passion-and-two-approaches-to.html
          http://extranosalley.com/?p=30635
          Ten Gun Control Myths:
          http://people.duke.edu/~gnsmith/articles/myths.htm

      • Bill

        No they don’t, Dave,
        That is just a figment of your imagination

      • Karolyn

        Are you sure they’re listening to their constituents or just listening to themselves.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Karolyn,
          You’re retired now, correct? Why don’t you spend some time reading and learn what’s really going on? The natural order of Leadership is to feather their own nests. The only way they would do differently is if their constituents convince them that they vote the correct way or lose their jobs come next election.

          • Karolyn

            Between (finally) finishing up school, hustling to bring in more via online sales and working part time, I do as much as I can. This site is one of the places I learn and am prodded to do more research. I do not discard the opposing views here, only the superficial personal attacks. I sign a lot of petitions and write to my congressmen regularly.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Have you read this book yet?
            http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf
            With the exception of the last chapter which gets more intense with economist language, the book is very easy to read.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It’s so comical to hear you Liberal Progressives talking about antique ideas when in fact Liberal Progressives want to take us back to the middle ages when Feudalism was the flavor of the century.
            Imagine that — a relative handful of people like Shill Dave taking advantage of the rest of us. It’s hard to believe that there are so many people out there with self-esteem low enough to accept that.
            Two centuries ago those people, who like Shill Dave, would subjugate the rest, made those same fallacious arguments as to why they couldn’t allow Freedom.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Why would multiple currencies preclude Free Markets, Shill Dave?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            When countries devalue their currency (in relation to other currencies) it makes their products cheaper to foreign purchasers, but more expensive for their own people to purchase foreign goods. Thus they are punishing their own citizens to benefit their Crony Capitalists.
            Why should you care anyway, Shill Dave? By making their products cheaper, the poor in our country benefit at the expense of the poor in their countries, basically turning those countries’ laborers into slaves for us. In other words, the Leaders and their Crony Capitalists benefit at the expense of their citizens. Just like you Progressives want to do to us US citizens.
            But none of the above precludes or even damages Free Markets in the US (if we had them).
            You see, the problem with you, Shill Dave, is that you have no economic knowledge so you must resort to manipulative tactics. But obviously that doesn’t work on the more intelligent PL readers who rightfully give you mostly thumbs down.

          • NC

            KAROLYN, CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT ABNORNAL DAVE WOULDD TELL YOU TO READ A BOOK AND FIND OUT WHAT IS “REALLY GOING ON”??? HAVE YOU HEARD THAT MISES IS “REALLY GOING ON”?????? WHERE, BESIDES IN HIS MOTHER BASEMENT?? ANSWER: NO WHERE!
            THAT ONE TRICK PONY CAN’T EDUCATE ANYONE WITH HIS MISES DRIVEL!

          • Karolyn

            I have an open mind, NC and am willing to investigate other points of view

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Government has no business depriving good people of their right to self-defense. Not to mention that it doesn’t even work, because More Guns = Less Crime. And Less Guns = More Crime. We can see that in the historical stats.
        Of course the Leaders want that so they can finish their job of making us Serfs. You might be surprised, Shill Dave, to find that once they’ve accomplished that, they will no longer have any use for you. Good Luck when that day comes.
        Government also has no business telling people what products they must buy, no matter how many people vote to steal other people’s money.
        So, Shill Dave, do you think if the Majority of Citizens voted to kill all Blacks, that would be okay?

  • Average_Joe56

    Wow,
    After reading the comments, I can safely say that we’ve managed to bring together almost the entire “Goof Troop”….. For an afternoon of utter silliness…..

    smilee, flashy, NC, Karolyn, Dave, KG and Deerinwater all assembled on this one article ( Doc Sarvis must not have gotten the memo)….WAR must have touched a few nerves…as usual. ( gotta love it).
    Well, this is going to be a laugh a minute……between the lot of them, there has to be a collective IQ of at least 3.
    In the meantime, I’m going to laugh a lot and ignore the stupidity which emanates from the “Goof Troop”.
    AKA: The “Troll Patrol”.

    LOOK!!!!….I see Alex made it to the silly party…. ;)

    • NC

      Joe, we are here about everyday not just for special posts! Actually, Wayne Root day is the one we could miss all together! He is so far afield of what the Average American is about that he shoots HIMSELF in the foot! Like today! He is making a proposal that has a one in a million chance of materializing! It’s as waste of time and space for the Conservative effort< ADULT INTELLIGENT INDEPENDENTS LOOK AT IT AND SAY "HE CAN'T BE SERIOUS" AND MOVE ON TO REALLY IMPORTANT MATERIAL! HE IS A JOKE OF THE FIRST ORDER! HE IS ONE OF THE BEST THINGS THE LIBEREALS HAVE GOING FOR THEM! IF THAT IS LIBERTARIANISM, GIVE ME DEATH!

      • Jana

        Yet here you are, the biggest joke of all!

      • Average_Joe56

        Thanks for the laugh…..

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        I’m hoping somebody is in a giving mood.

      • WTS/JAY

        President Obama was interviewing for new accountants to handle the books for his Obamacare scheme.

        Barack asked the first applicant, “What does one plus one equal?” The accountant was escorted out of the White House after answering, “Two.”

        Barack then asked the next applicant, “What does one plus one equal?” That one answered, “What do you want it to equal?” Obama promptly replied, “You’ve got the job.”

        • JeffH

          Jay, here is a “MUST READ” if you haven’t already

          Barack Obama Threatens Social Security Recipient –
          ***The author, Gordan Runyan, has a pretty good take on the whole ordeal called Washington DC.***

          The nonsense coming out of D.C. is staggering. And not just because of the amount and speed of it, which reminds me of a post-party-night malady I ran into in the Philippines that my fellow squids affectionately labeled, the San Miguel Squirts. Not just that, but also the sheer stupid of it.

          We have Nancy Pelosi, with as much plastic in her face as Mr. Potato Head, assuring us that every possible cut that can be made to the Federal budget has been made. The fragile US economy is like Michael Jackson’s nose at the end of his life, apparently.

          Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/barack-obama-threatens-social-security-recipients/

          • WTS/JAY

            Hey, good article, JeffH. I enjoyed reading it. Talk about a dysfunctional and loopy government, the current administration takes the cake! Thanks.

          • JeffH

            Jay, not only was the aticle a bit humorous but the guy was spot on accurate.

        • Average_Joe56

          I was sitting at a long stoplight yesterday, minding my own business, patiently waiting for it to turn green. A carload of bearded, young, loud Muslims, shouting Anti-American slogans , with a half burned American flag duct taped to the trunk of their car and “Remember 911″ slogan spray painted on the side, was stopped next to me.
          Suddenly they yelled “Praise Allah” and took off before the light changed.
          Out of nowhere an 18 wheeler came speeding through the intersection and ran slap over their car, crushing it completely (killing everyone in it).
          For several minutes I sat there thinking, ” Man…that could have been me”.
          So, today, bright and early, I went out and got a job as a truck driver!

    • JeffH

      JC, that pretty much sums it up! Excellant!

  • independent thinker

    Apparently you have no clue about the Constitution and the way it is supposed to work. ALL revenue bills (taxes) must originate in the House not the Senate as happened with the un-affordable health care act. You will note that the SC ruled the penalty clause for not getting insurance to be a tax therefore the unAHA is not valid.

    • independent thinker

      I prefer the Constitution.
      “All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives, but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments, as on other bills.”

  • BUD USMC

    What a wonderful idea Wayne but it won’t happen congress is there for themselves not the people that pay them fight their dirty little wars for them.
    The first thing congress should be required by law to read ever law they vote on or have it read to them with little buzzers in their chairs to jar them back awake when they go to sleep with the 3rd setting, the third one strong enough to bounce their ass out of their chair. Had they been force to read the 2700 page monster it would have never passed in the first place.
    Our only hope is to vote them all out of office and put the Commandant in charge that would be hard to take for most of the people but the Constitution would be the order of the day and when America spoke the rest of the world would listen.

  • Steve Apelman

    Anyone and everyone reading this post; BE AFRAID- BE VERY AFRAID. History does repeat itself, and that’s because people are people, and they never change. This Social-Democrat President, (By the way- that’s what all the old-line Communists relabeled themselves as), is treading down the same path as his predecessors of Stalin, Hitler, and Mau once tread. His total incompetence in understanding the very basics of economics shows itself clear with his “give-away” programs of Obama-care in a system that was invented for the purpose of failure- so that Americans that get sucked into it as it fails, will be the stooges of the Government when they fix the problem as they make it so big a program that it will take over the lives of every American: the very Communist plan for America. Obama-care is only very tip of the iceberg of the lies that man, and his administration, has perpetrated against us. Part of the plan is to make every American so myopic in dealing with their everyday problems of survival that they never see the knife as it cuts away at their very freedoms. That man who claims to be our President sent more troops, WITH GUNS, to keep 90 year old heroes from seeing the WWII memorial- a PRIVATE memorial, paid for by PRIVATE funds. He is INTENTIONALLY inflicting pain on a group of people that sacrificed so much, and are responsible for our ability to live every day of our lives in freedom- but he has no time to talk to his other members of Gov’t, but somehow finds time to speak to Iran, Syria, and all the other demagogs that are our enemies. He is a disgrace- and a dangerous disgrace. Do not be fooled, or allow yourself to be manipulated into ignoring what’s going on in Washington. They are looking to suspend the very constitution of this nation, and you had best not ignore this. When it’s gone- it will be too late, and history will have repeated itself yet again.

  • Don 2

    2,500 waivers to union donors and businesses.

    Employer mandate delayed 1 year.

    The bill signed into law no longer exists!

  • Jana

    As Bob Livingston called Dave yesterday, Dave is a bigot.

    So, we have the bigots like Dave who thinks they are better than anyone
    else. He comes on this site to show us all exactly how a liberal acts and
    thinks, without tolerance or manners, and tries to bully everybody. He is a
    prime example of a Socialist Liberal.

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Dave,

      You write: ” you, like Bob present no proof of your gratitous assertions… ” There was no need to provide proof. You indicted yourself. But if any is needed you can follow this thread:
      http://personalliberty.com/2013/09/03/what-do-we-stand-for/#comment-1028369556

      And this one: http://personalliberty.com/2013/08/22/cato-study-welfare-more-lucrative-than-working-in-many-states/#comment-1013223378

      There are others.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        And here you have a Liberal Progressive, Folks, who wants to run your life. Enjoy.

      • Jana

        Dave

        Jana

        11 hours ago

        Yes, Jana I am a bigot
        You already claimed ownership, its too late to back out now bigot Dave, prejudice Dave, copycat Dave. Pretender Dave.

    • Jana

      The ones who keep bringing racism in the picture are people like you. You are the racists. We are talking policies here, not skin colors.
      You are sad and pathetic in your prejudiced little mind.

      • Jana

        Racist terri/Dave
        Your tricks don’t work.

    • nc

      JANA, THIS IS ONE OF THE LEADING NATIONS IN THE WORLD PERSONALLY, I THINK IT IS THE BEST AND FIRMLY BELIEVE THERE IS A GREAT NUMBER (EVEN A MAJORITY>> MAKE THAT A VAST MAJORITY) OF AMERICANS WHO AGREE WITH ME. LOOKING AT THE LIST OF OUR PRESIDENTS SINCE WE CAME OUT OF THE HOOVER DEPRESSION AND HEADED TO THE TOP I DON’T SEE A SINGLE TRUE CONSERVATIVE PRESIDENt BASED ON THE QUALIFICATIONS SET BY MR. TRUE CONSERVATIVE , BOB LIVINGSTON>
      I AM NOT ON A PAR WITH DAVE AND OTHERS IN PRESENTING THE NON-CONSERVATIVE ARGUMENT BUT I JOIN IN TO LET YOU KNOW THAT MY PARTY KNOWS HOW TO WIN AND LEAD! SEE U S HISTORY!
      WE ARE HERE TO LET YOU KNOW THERE IS ANOTHER WAY TO GOVERN OTHER THAN GOING BACK TO THE 1800s AND STARTING OVER.
      when someone like Dave continually hits you with questions you can’t answer and facts you can’t dispute except to call him names and ask him to leave,, I can understand how you would feel BULLIED and beaten down! There is a way out for you! Change your registration to Democrat! You can’t believe the joy of a successful election night Ever had one??
      We are here to educate! Pure and simple! and to have a little fun on the side!

  • terri

    America troops arrest Obamacare out Wht House, Should they do it? Let Obamacare meltdown!

    • Jana

      What are you talking about?????

      • Bob666

        Jana,
        That has to be one of the most interesting comments made here, can’t wait for an answer to your question.

        • Jana

          Me either. LOL

  • Bill

    Good article Wayne.
    No special interest group, especially government workers, should get any special privileges

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      And that is what the “General Welfare” clause was really all about. No favoritism.

      • JeffH

        “And that is what the “General Welfare” clause was really all about. No favoritism.” LOL!

        Not according to the ignorant liberal/progressives that are just too stupid or too lazy to do the background work to understand the Framers “intent”…or are outright liars. Flip a coin…take your pick…either or???

        FYI…because this unconstitutional POS ACA was allowed to stand…there should be no exemptions at all for anyone.
        All in or all out…no compromise and no negotiations!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          It truly is scary how easy the Puppet Masters have it with the majority of dumbed-down citizens.

          • JeffH

            And just as bad are those that blindly shill for the immorality of their masters.

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    SATANISTS DO NOT MASQUERADE ANYMORE THEIR HATE FOR THE DEAD AND ALIVE VETERANS

    Not only did the Kenyan Fraud personally have barricaded the War Memorial the vets came to Washington, D.C. to honour, his government shutdown closed the Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial where tourists travelling to Omaha Beach come to pay their respects to the 9,387 military dead.

    “The site overlooking the D-Day invasion beaches is one of 24 U.S. military cemeteries overseas that have closed to visitors since Monday. Ten more cemeteries in France, as well as others in various European countries as well as Mexico, Panama, Tunisia and the Philippines, will remain closed for the duration of the shutdown.” (AP, Oct. 2, 2013)

    Honouring the war dead is ANATHEMA to Marxists on the rise.

    And what Obama is doing to the Walking Wounded is just as painful. Many of the 35,000 Second World War vets in their 80s and 90s are making their visit to thememorial in wheel chairs. It is the trip of a lifetime for 99% of them, who have never seen their memorial. Internet pictures show how these up-in-age heroes are sportingthe new clothes provided by loving relatives.

    Why would that matter to a president who allowed grocery stores on Army bases in the U.S. to close while the GOLF COURSE at Andrews Air Force base remains open?

    The reign of HATE-FILLED spite, media-dubbed as ‘Barrycades’ even includes George Washington’s beloved Mount Vernon, which happens to be PRIVATELY run. http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/58322

    • KG

      Due to lack of properly trained personnel, these sites need to be closed for the safety of everyone involved. I guess it would be OK if because of lack of maintenance personnel, a WWII vet slips and breaks his hip?

      • KG

        I’m wondering, is she willing to work for free?

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          KG, I know the liberals’ love for “she”.
          And your love especially is heartwarming. Thank you.
          See my comment about the paid shills above.

          • KG

            For you, Alondra. The song is by Johnny Otis. It reminds me of how I feel for you.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKlqtA5h5ug

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Do you like a Misery?
            I would like to give you up, but I do not want to joint the
            MANURIAL insects.

            They thought that you sent me disparaging video. But that was a Melancholic Blues. TY

          • WTS/JAY

            As Ron Paul said, “Speak up, speak often and don’t worry about those that at this point cannot understand, as they can never un-hear what we tell them.”

        • WTS/JAY

          Without government, who will deny people access to the things they were forced to pay for?

          • KG

            The same people it has always been – the rich and the Powerful.

            You weren’t ‘forced’ to pay anything. You could have moved to Somalia. The have very low taxes and complete freedom to bear arms.
            You are too lazy and fat to live in Somalia – that’s why you paid those taxes.
            Ain’t America Great!

          • WTS/JAY

            Are you an intellectual pervert, KG?

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          No, I do not want to work for FREE. Why should I?
          Would you?

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        That should be the vet’s decision, not yours.

    • Karolyn

      Yes, Obama personally decided just who would be furloughed and what would be closed.

      • WTS/JAY

        And who wouldn’t get paid. Obama not included, of course.

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        Not only did the veterans SUBMIT a request to the Obama administration, which WAS REJECTED by the White House and the Department of the Interior, but the park police
        notified them they would be ARRESTED if they tried to visit the monument. (Who gave police orders to arrest veterans?)

        As reported by News outlets, about eight Republican Congressmen, led by Steve King and Michele Bachmann, among others, helped the veterans break protocol by assisting them through the barriers and by providing distractions for the park police. http://www.ijreview.com/2013/10/83172-world-war-ii-veterans-bust-barricades-visit-memorial-shutdown/

        You are SOOOOO nauseatingly disgusting because you are ALWAYS justifying UNJUSTIFIABLE, defending UNDEFENDABLE, supporting and advocating PERVERSION and DEGENERACY.

        Shame on you, Mizz STUPIDITY & PERVERSION!

        “Wickedness proceeds from the wicked.” (I Samuel 24:13)

        “The look on THEIR FACES TESTIFIES AGAINST THEM, and THEY PARADE THEIR SIN like SODOM; THEY DO NOT HIDE IT. Woe to their soul! THEY HAVE BROUGHT DISASTER UPON THEMSELVES.” (Isaiah 3:9)

  • I want my country back

    Mr. Root, I love this plan! Anyway you can send it to the House? Specifically Mr. Paul? And I’m with you…I would pay to see Michele O. get that news!! Let’s share this with our representatives!!

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    According to the Twitter analytics application Status People:
    37% of the FAKE first “lady” 5,290, 506 Twitter followers are considered FAKE;

    35% of her followers are INACTIVE, and
    ONLY 28% are considered “good,” or real.

    Who are 28% (1,481,341)?

    UNIONs, ACORN, Planned Parenthood (including aborted babies).

    The first Witch’s Tweet account is run by Organizing for Action.

    On October 1, 2013 the Witch Tweeted the statement:
    “Due to Congress’s failure to pass legislation to fund the government, updates to this account will be limited. #Shutdown.”

    Go to the link and read the people’s reactions:
    http://www.infowars.com/less-tweets-due-to-govt-shutdown-first-lady-tells-legion-of-fake-followers/

  • Jana

    I agree, all of the exemptions should be REMOVED.

    The only one problem is they did put before the House to remove the exemptions for Congress and their staff, and it failed.

    We need a completer turn over in the House and the Senate.

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    CYBER ‘WARRIORS’

    Two days after the 2012 inauguration obama’s Organizing for Action (OFA) launched “the Cyber-Warriors for obama” Project.

    Thru DHS they hired 3575 cyber ‘warriors’ a.k.a. paid shills with the purpose to hit ALL anti-Kenyan FRAUD Websites. They are going after pro-Constitution, pro-guns, Christian “bigots”, “homophobes” & “islamophobes”, pro-lifers, pro-God’s marriage, et cetera. Their task is to spread DISINFORMATION derailing discussions and bullying & vilify anti-obama’s sentiments using Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals and nullify the “false”
    information.

    Each “shill” of those 3,575 people involved in this project, are creating
    MULTIPLE online IDENTITIES. So 3,575 are turning into 35 thousands and more, who would launch FULL TIME attacks on each and every one who is opposing the Charlatan’s agenda.

    This is an operation that has very strong structure with its leaders, supervisors and advisors, who instructing and training the paid shills
    how to launch the ACCUSATIONS of racism, of bigotry, homophobia,
    islamophobia, et cetera and giving them the TALKING POINTS.

    The shills are being paid just over minimum wage. They work from home.

    And who is paying them? I guess you, People, if they are hired thru DHS.

    The OFA’s Headquarters are in the Washington D.C. and surprise, surprise, in Chicago, IL.

    Chairman is Jim Messina.

    P.S. I hope you know the Cyber Warriors” on this Web by names.
    And if you want to see Dave, smile, Karolyn, Ron r, rbrooks, Alex, mark and others, just hit the link below.

    They are in the Organizing for Action’s video, which they launched to hit Republicans on shutdown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1lB3_wYHy4

    • Karolyn

      Is there a link to apply for a job, Miss Paranoia? :-)

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        Move your buttocks, lazy Deranged PERVERT.
        Google 3,575 cyber ‘warriors’ and you’ll get dozens links.

        • Karolyn

          It seems rather that you would be the pervert, since you have such a love of words in that category.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Yes, we know the level of your STUPIDITY. It’s one of the reasons that you are Mentally PERVERT and sexually DEPRAVED.

            “Answer an IDIOT ACCORDING to HER IDIOCY, lest she
            be wise in her own eyes.” – King Solomon (Proverbs 26)

          • Karolyn

            Which would explain why I responded to your post as I did. ;-)

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            You do not have to prove YOUR STUPIDITY.
            It’s on the display constantly. Each your comment and reply are excellent evidences of it.

            DaveH recommended you to read more. Take his advice seriously.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Here’s one of the Cyber Shills now, Alondra.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Shill Dave, do you think anybody on this site buys into your comic relief?
            Anybody who sees enough of your useless comments, knows that you are a misinforming Shill who is here primarily to deter others from learning the Truth about Big Government.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That is because, unlike you Shill Dave, I’m not trying to fool anyone.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            I think that Dave is paid by “number” of comments and not by Influencing and Converting people into the Liberal
            ideology and principles.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            And now my Liberal friend Dave, can you translate for me what are you saying? Please.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            He’s just doing his usual lying and shilling, as if anybody here believes anything he says.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            DaveH, please do not discourage and disillusion Liberal Dave. He believes in his cause.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Instead, Shill Dave wants you to accept his proven failure — Socialism.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, Shill Dave. Any amount of Socialism drags down the economy, like a parasitic infection drags down its host.
            The fact that it doesn’t kill the host makes no difference. Socialism is a negatively productive system.
            We could survive without a finger or two also. Would you like to volunteer, Shill Dave?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The proof is here:
            http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
            and here:
            http://www.freetheworld.com/
            Shill Dave’s Master threatens to stiff Social Security recipients:
            http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2013/10/03/obamas-fatal-mistake-on-social-security/
            How could Socialism not be a failure? Taking money from the producers = less desire to produce. Giving money to the non-producers = less desire to produce.
            1 + 1 = 0 in Shill Dave’s Liberal Progressive world.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You make no sense, Shill Dave. But then, what else could we expect from a shill?

          • heroay

            ONLY a Fractal brained homo sloth would take a ‘job’ for the treasonous UN-constitutional DHS, run by bolsheviks, created by bolsheviks, and subject to elimination as soon as the Republic is restored.

          • heroay

            You can talk to a WALL, and it will ECHO you. But these shills with a FRACTAL brain have a chip implanted to OBEY their nannies and masters at the Latrine. You can’t sway their ingrained ”opinion”, else, go bananas plus lose their ‘jobs’.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Are your handlers paying you overtime, Shill Dave?

          • heroay

            No, he can’t go to bed and ‘rest’, because now exposed he has constant ‘fluid intestine’… and forgot to ASK his nannies (he won’t buy anything) for PAMPERS!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Dave, you are working too hard. Relax a little bit.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuBk92OsSwY

          • heroay

            ‘working’?? HA! These creeps have never known WORK! That’s why they descend into a DHS cesspool and get paid minimum to spread manure on the net.

          • heroay

            Send the crooked Davy some flacid cookies when he hits the cell, permanently

          • heroay

            What he needs is to take his head out his deepest cavity, and smell some fresh air from time to time… Until he is rounded up for TREASON against the Republic.

          • heroay

            Pull head OUT of crevice, dummy! You will suffocate BEFORE your TRIAL! And we don’t wanna MISS it!

          • heroay

            Filling the bag, troglodyke? Replace, or drown before the trials, monkee-do!

          • Guest

            What trials nit wit-
            for what wasting my time with a moron?

          • heroay

            i SAID, pull head OUT, NOT further IN, crummy punky good for nothing PARASITE!

          • Guest

            ,

            If anyone knows a parasite-you would be the girl to see one in the mirror.

            Now take your meds

          • heroay

            Head out of your crevice, moron, and watch your future in jail for life.

          • heroay

            your crack is full of dung. FLUSH!

          • heroay

            two words, people, because no-brainer fractal reduct cannot spell English too well… after his 5 words at the tel aviv latrine school for diarrhea carriers.

          • heroay

            GOTCHA, inbred mouth-piece for demented delusional wannabe crackpots! You are
            REGISTERED! Buy plenty of adult pampers from here on. GOTCHA!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH
          • heroay

            GOTCHA, mouth-piece for demented delusional wannabe crackpots! You are REGISTERED! Buy plenty of adult pampers from here on. GOTCHA!!

          • heroay

            NO words out of this mouth??

        • heroay

          THANKS, THANKS, THANKS! i knew of the “Ambassadors to the Net” based in tel aviv latrines; then of the cyber program “Megaphone”, which summons mouth pieces to a website that is ‘attacking’ their ‘principles’…rapine, terror, subversion; also, based in tel aviv… But of a treasonous, locally entrenched propaganda scheme, BY no other than Janet Napolitano, appointee of Obongonut, THAT i didn’t know, nor anybody else i know….Thanks, MY Sheriff Alondra! WE’ll go get’em! The Rope of Justice is LOOONG, oh-Yeah!

          • heroay

            Did your nanny EVER trained you beyond 5 words, fractal brained latrine parasite?

          • heroay

            you just did! you repeat what you are told you are and you enjoy saturating your fractal brain with these insults, 5 word neanderthal.

      • WTS/JAY

        Actually, Alondra is correct. The proof of what she claims is evidenced here, at PLD. I won’t name any monikers, mind you, as i’m sure you are already well aware of them. :)

      • Nadzieja Batki

        But you already know the link for that job, Karolyn.

      • heroay

        yes, nanny, the park dept. in town needs ‘cubicle’ disposers. You fit perfect. And rest of your clowny clan.

    • heroay

      Alondra, Alondra… Alondra…. Am gonna petition you for MY Sheriff, i will round up the posse, buy the ropes, and we will go round up the cattle, er, criminals in the Latrine, their stoolies here in the thread, and the dual-passport subversive ‘originals’ pulling the strings… We need Jefferson, don’t we?

      Regardless, your post is going to hit (again) my email list, and fly around the get-filthy-globe. Nothing hurts more the traitors, than exposure…and Hemp rope? Thanks!

  • WTS/JAY

    Yahya Jammeh, Gambian President, Attacks LGBT Community In Shocking UN Address…

    The president of Gambia has ranked homosexuality alongside obsession with power and greed as “more deadly than all natural disasters put together.”

    Using his address to the United Nations General Assembly to attack gays and lesbians, President Yahya Jammeh called homosexuality one of the three “biggest threats to human existence,” the Associated Press reported.

    “Those who promote homosexuality want to put an end to human existence,” Gambian President Yahya Jammeh told the gathering of world leaders in New York. “It is becoming an epidemic and we Muslims and Africans will fight to end this behavior.”

    “Homosexuality in all its forms and manifestations which, though very evil, antihuman as well as anti-Allah, is being promoted as a human right by some powers,” said Jammeh, who is accused by activists of human rights abuses during his rule.

    Andre Banks, executive director of global gay rights group All Out, said Jammeh’s remarks were “paranoid and disturbing.”

    “In his list of the world’s greatest threats, the President left one out – intolerance,”Banks said in a statement, Reuters reported.

    The Gambian ruler has previously told gays and lesbians to leave the country or have their heads cut off. Both male and female same-sex sexual activity is illegal in the country.

    “The Gambia is a country of believers… sinful and immoral practices [such] as homosexuality will not be tolerated in this country,” the president said.

    He also commanded “all those who harbour such individuals to kick them out of their compounds,” instructing the director of the Gambia Immigration Department to “weed bad elements in society.”

    In a speech before newly promoted army chiefs on 7 December 2009, President Jammeh said: “We will not encourage lesbianism and homosexuality in the military. It is a taboo in our armed forces. I will sack any soldier suspected of being a gay or lesbian in The Gambia. We need no gays in our armed forces.”

    Jammeh also has drawn international criticism for his claim he can cure AIDS with an herbal body rub and bananas.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/28/yahya-jammeh-gambian-pres_n_4007882.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false

    • Karolyn

      And this is relevant how? Are you aligning yourself with the leader of a third world country with a history of human rights abuses?

      • WTS/JAY

        Well, we are talking about healthcare, and the man claims he can cure aids with a herbal body rub and bananas. Sounds rather inexpensive/cheap, a lot cheaper than obamacare! Lol!

      • heroay

        This is relevant when added to the FACT that the Ziotic predators and leeches of humanity want to destroy 95% of the world pops by any means possible at their criminal reach, be it wars for oil and rapine, greater israHell, false flags, fiat money, rigged s-elections, homosexuality in elementary schools, gays in the military, fluoridation of water, chemtrails, WMD ‘swine-flu-my-foot’, cancer cells in vaccines, 100 thousand children ‘lost’ per year and never found, organ-kidney trafficking from murdered victims in So. Africa and Palestine, abortion, gay ‘marriage’, GMOs, keyboard ‘debt’ to enrich pariah banksters, rapine carbon tax, rapine income tax, hoarding of world’s stolen gold…ad nauseam. Not Relevant?

  • rbrooks

    you are not going to win for the same reason you have not been winning. you are a fringe group of fanatics that are completely self centered and selfish. your plans of self destruction are view by the public as what they are.

    if you really believed in personal liberty for all equally, you would be the only party in congress and the oval office.

    • WTS/JAY

      Real Life Idiocracy in America – The Obama Effect

      Real Life Idiocracy in America – Obama Supporters Aren’t Sure What Party the President is Associated With.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nhRViM02Mk&feature=youtu.be

      • rbrooks

        well, jay, seems you are still a part of the miniscule fanatic fringe that no one is listening to.

        you still have not figured out how to increase your numbers.

        • WTS/JAY

          A man who attempted to sign up for Obamacare online was told that a fine of over $4,000 dollars a year for refusing to take out mandatory health insurance could be taken directly from his bank account, and that his drivers license would be suspended and a federal tax lien placed against his home, according to an entry on the HealthCare.gov Facebook page.

          Will Sheehan claims that when he tried to sign up for Obamacare and then register to opt out, he received an ominous warning. Sheehan’s full Facebook post reads;

          “I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 “Silver Plan” and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I “opt-out” and chose to continue along with no insurance.

          I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the “REPERCUSSIONS PORTION” for “non-payment” of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with “Non-Payment” and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy “Automatically withdraw” your “penalties” weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is “Free” or even “Affordable.”

          • Bob666

            Jay,
            have you verified this information to be true? I Googled this and found some very interesting responses.

          • Karolyn

            Who knows? There are always people starting rumors to further their agenda. Unless I investigate the source and find it to be as credible as can be ascertained, I do not post it. There is already too much BS out there.

          • WTS/JAY

            Judge Napolitano explains what will happen if you refuse to pay for Obamacare…

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq3zHDMSom0

          • Bob666

            Yo Flashy,

            “On Sept. 30, 2009, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) issued a press release:

            “Senator Chuck Grassley has won approval for his legislation to require that members of Congress and congressional staff access health insurance through the exchange that would be created by the health care reform legislation under consideration by the Finance Committee.

            “‘The more that Congress experiences the laws we pass, the better the laws are likely to be,’ Grassley said.

            “Members of the committee agreed through unanimous consent on Tuesday night to support the Grassley amendment. …

            “‘My interest in having Members of Congress participate in the exchange is consistent with my long-held view that Congress should live under the same laws it passes for the rest of the country,’ Grassley said.”

            This rumor is an example of a zombie claim — no matter how many times it’s killed, it still won’t die.

            http://www.rgj.com/article/20131001/NEWS1801/131001004/

            And several other very credible sources.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Shill Dave tries his hand at projection.

          • WTS/JAY

            It is no longer called an “exemption”, Bob, but for Congress, it is now referred to as a; “regulatory-fix”…

            The White House has approved a deal that will create a regulatory fix for members of Congress and their staff related to some of the provisions of the Affordable Care Act, according to media reports. Under the law, popularly referred to as Obamacare, lawmakers and their aides were required to source health insurance “created” by the law or offered through one of its exchanges; and without the subsidies they currently have, the members of Congress would have faced thousands of dollars in additional premium payments each year, the reports said. However, the Office of Personnel Management now plans to rule that the government can continue to make a contribution to the health-care premiums of the lawmakers and their staff, according to unnamed congressional sources and a White House official. -Market Watch

            http://www.marketwatch.com/story/congress-to-get-obamacare-exemption-report-2013-08-02

          • Jana

            Congress is getting a 72 or 71% subsidy to help them pay their cost in the exchange. Some of the Senators and Congress men/women have exempted themselves from this subsidy.
            The Will Sheehan thing above I do think is a hoax.

          • Bob666

            Yo Jana,
            I would tend to agree, but tried to suggest that tactfully.

          • Jana

            You did.

          • heroay

            shut up, homo-zap latrine neanderthal. Your vapid responses are worth pasting in a roll of soft tissue for later use.

          • Jana

            No Dave that is what you do and you do it so well.

          • WTS/JAY

            Notice the date of the article, Bob, 2009? That is old news and was merely rhetoric on mr. Grassley’s part. Congress have granted themselves the exemption. Of course, they will not call it as such, but it is an exemption, nonetheless. They have been crying about not participating in the Obamacare’s health insurance exchanges since April of this year. Think they haven’t found a way to avoid it? Sure they have.

          • TheOriginalDaveH
          • WTS/JAY
          • heroay

            These trollos are programmed to lie no matter what, over and over and again. No shame, no honor, no dignity, and all, for a few shekels more. Or dollars, doesn’t matter.

          • heroay

            ta-ta, monkee-doo-do homo-zap, who cares for your pestilent opinion?

          • rbrooks

            i can not find any credible verification of your post jay. the various sites say a claim was made and that it may well be just more propaganda. a lie.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            rbrooks, lying is something that the Dems/Progs/Leftists have honed to such finesse that no one can surpass them. Curious why you don’t go to your Dem/Prog/Leftist sites to crow about the supposed prize you got from O and how you and him will pull a fast one on the American people.

          • WTS/JAY

            Where did you look, rb?

          • rbrooks

            post some proof jay. everything i am reading on the net says this is a hoax.

            if this guy was real, he could have fox news go by and read all of those emails he claims he got.

            he could show the premium he was quoted as well as the 13,998 deductible.

            fox news would have been all over this.

          • WTS/JAY
          • rbrooks

            they simply posted the story that came from a feacebook posting. none of them have been able to verify that story.

            they use the same disclaimer.

            >Either Sheehan’s claim that he received this notice is a lie, or the
            feds have been dishonest with the American people all along, and the
            revolt against Obamacare is about to take “don’t tread on me” to a whole
            new level.<

            we both know if there was any truth to this, it would have been the lead on fox all day.

            this site would have already done an interview and story on this.

            you would have tried to get an exclusive.

            this is just more propaganda.

          • WTS/JAY

            rbrooks: we both know if there was any truth to this, it would have been the lead on fox all day.

            You do realize who owns and controls Fox-News, do you not? There is no such thing as Liberal or Right-wing media, rbrooks, it is all, just corporate-media.

            Who really controls the media? Is the so called “liberal media” that the right complains about controlled by Hollywood and liberal special interests? Is Fox News controlled by the Republican Party?

            Major multinational corporations, Middle Eastern sovereign wealth funds and Saudi Princes, all hell bent on protecting their own interests, choose what you will see on the nightly news and trick you into believing it is unbiased reporting. Below, are all the major news outlets, regardless of what they make you believe, contributed heavily to George W. Bush in both 2000 and 2004, so any argument that they are controlled by liberals evaporates. In this case they all supported the candidate that promised to allow consolidation of multiple media companies.

            The very news stories that you are fed by the mainstream media are manipulated to mirror the public relations campaigns of companies that operate nuclear plants, sprawling theme parks that gobble up wetlands, defense contractors, oil companies and even Saudi Princes. Remember the old “Outer Limits” TV shows where the announcer says “We control everything you see and hear, the vertical, the horizontal,” etc? The corporate controlled news media controls all you see and hear.

            Here are the top twenty media corporations in the U.S. according to mediaowners.com.

            1. Time Warner Inc.
            2. Walt Disney Company
            3. Viacom Inc.
            4. News Corporation
            5. CBS Corporation
            6. Cox Enterprises
            7. NBC Universal
            8. Gannett Company, Inc.
            9. Clear Channel Communications Inc.
            10. Advance Publications, Inc.
            11. Tribune Company
            12. McGraw-Hill Companies
            13. Hearst Corporation
            14. Washington Post Company
            15. The New York Times Company
            16. E.W. Scripps Co.
            17. McClatchy Company
            18. Thomson Corporation
            19. Freedom Communications, Inc.
            20. A&E Television Networks

            Who Owns The Media? Industry Giants, Saudi Princes and Australian Robber Barons.

            Here is a breakdown of the “Liberal” media ownership By Corporations.

            “GE, Not Just Light Bulbs Anymore”

            GENERAL ELECTRIC – NBC (In they 2000 donated 1.1 million to George W Bush for his election campaign)

            TV Holdings:

            * NBC: Owns outright 13 stations and many affiliates, Market penetration: 28% of US households.

            * NBC Network News: Owns The Today Show, Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, Meet the Press, Dateline.

            * CNBC business network, MSNBC 24-hour cable and Internet news service (co-owned by both NBC and Microsoft); Court TV (co-owned with Time Warner), Bravo (50%), A&E (25%), History Channel (25%).
            The MS in MSNBC stands for Microsoft, Bill Gate’s Microsoft donated 2.4 million in 2000 to get George W Bush elected.

            Other Holdings:

            * GE Consumer Electronics and Household Products and components used in military electronics..

            * GE Power Systems, which makes turbines for nuclear reactors, wind turbines, “clean” coal technology.

            * GE Plastics: produces military hardware for fighter jets, ships and nuclear power equipment.

            * GE Transportation Systems: manufactures engines and diesel and electric locomotives.

            WESTINGHOUSE / CBS INC. “Not Just Fridges Anymore”.

            Westinghouse Electric Company, part of of the large Nuclear Utilities Business Group of British Nuclear Fuels. Which is Headed By Frank Carlucci of the Carlyle Group. A group with very strong ties to the Bush Administration.

            TV Holdings:

            * CBS: Owns outright 14 stations and over 200 affiliates in the US.

            * CBS Network News: 60 minutes, 48 hours, CBS Evening News, CBS Morning News.

            * Country Music Television, The Nashville Network.
            * Group W Satellite Communications.
            Other Holdings:

            * Westinghouse Electric Company: provides services to the nuclear power industry including owning 4 nuclear plants, waste disposal and transport.

            DISNEY – ABC

            (Donated $640,000 to George W Bush’s 2000 political campaign)

            TV Holdings:

            * ABC: includes 10 stations outright, many affiliates, Penetration in the market: 24% of US households.

            * ABC Network News: Prime Time Live, Nightline, 20/20, Good Morning America.

            * ESPN, Lifetime Television (50%), as well as smaller holdings in A&E, History Channel and E!

            * Disney Channel/Disney Television, Touchtone Television.

            Other Major Media Holdings.

            * Miramax, Touchtone Pictures.

            * Major Magazines: Jane, Los Angeles Magazine, Discover.

            * Three recording labels, twelve major local newspapers.

            * Hyperion books.

            * Infoseek search engine.

            Major shareholders include Sid R. Bass, oil and gas baron.

            “Time, Not Just On The Coffee Table Anymore”.

            TIME-WARNER TBS – AOL (In 2000 they donated 1.6 million to George Bush’s political campaign)

            America Online (AOL) acquired Time Warner which was the largest merger in corporate history.
            TV Holdings:

            * CNN, HBO, Cinemax, TBS Superstation, Turner Network Television, Turner Classic Movies, Warner Brothers Television, Cartoon Network, Sega Channel, TNT, Comedy Central.

            * Largest cable system owner with an estimated 13 million households.
            Media Holdings:

            * HBO Productions, Warner Home Video, New Line Cinema, Castle Rock, Looney Tunes, Hanna-Barbera.

            * Music: Atlantic, Elektra, Rhino, Sire, Warner Bros. Records, EMI.

            * Thirty three major magazines including Time, Sports Illustrated, People Magazine, In Style, Fortune, The Book of the Month Club, Entertainment Weekly, Life Magazne, DC Comics, MAD Magazine.

            Other major corporation Holdings:

            * Sports Teams and Wrestling: The Atlanta Braves, The Atlanta Hawks, World Championship Wrestling.

            Now For The “Conservative News Media” “The real Darth Vader?”

            Why did Australian Rupert Murdoch forsake his native country and become a U.S. citizen? Reportedly it was because he could save on taxes and start over in virgin territory after leaving behind so much scorched earth in the Australian economy as he laid waste to his business opponents and bought up media outlets. Or perhaps it was just so he could get around foreign media ownership laws. (Which no longer exist.)

            Does a Saudi billionaire actually have the power to control the news on the Fox network, of which he is a part owner?

            NEWS CORPORATION LTD. / FOX NETWORKS (Rupert Murdoch, numerous donations. On Board of Directors of Phillip Morris, Phillip Morris Donated 2.9 million to Bush’s campaign.

            Major Television Holdings:

            * Fox Television: includes 22 major and many affiliate stations, Penetration into more than 60% of US households.

            * Fox International: extensive worldwide cable and satellite networks include British Sky Broadcasting (40%); VOX, Germany (49.9%); Canal Fox, Latin America; FOXTEL, Australia (50%); STAR TV, Asia, IskyB, India; Bahasa Programming Ltd., Indonesia (50%); and News Broadcasting, Japan (80%), major owner of DirecTV.

            * The Golf Channel (33%).
            Other Major Media Hodings:

            * Twentieth Century Fox, Fox Searchlight.

            * 132 major newspapers (113 in Australia alone) including the New York Post, the London Times and The Australian.

            * Owns 25 magazines including TV Guide and The Weekly Standard.

            * Owns HarperCollins books.
            Othe Major Corporation Holdings around the word:

            * Sports: LA Dodgers, LA Kings, LA Lakers, National Rugby League.

            * Ansett Australia airline, Ansett New Zealand airlines.

            * Rupert Murdoch is on the Board of Directors of Philip Morris, a major Bush donor.

            It’s no surprise that corporate robber baron Rupert Murdoch was a major Bush supporter but who else owns Fox News? Prince al-Walid bin Talal owns 5.5% of Fox News.

            Here is a good video that traces the history of news media manipulation by large corporations in the U.S by buying up newspapers and using institutions such as the Council On Foreign Relations to shape U.S. policy and public opinion.

            Who owns the media?

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ona0jYWa6s

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YDiJA2_oZY

          • rbrooks

            yes jay. the media is corrupt. not a revelation.

            so you are saying that none of the media outlets are willing to validate the facebook post? none. not u.s. or foreign. really?

            none of the republicans or any member of the tea party is willing to validate that post.

            after all of cruz’s antics, he passed on this one.

            ok.

          • WTS/JAY

            None of the media outlets are talking about this one either, rbrooks…do you think there’s a conspiracy, or is it that they do not consider it news-worthy?

            http://www.occupycorporatism.com/5-facts-regarding-capitol-shooting-one-talking/

          • heroay

            The conspiracy of silence. From the Masters of Deceit. But Republicans, why waste time to validate or deny, when the REAL action should be concentrated in dumping, or flushing down the toilet, the unconstitutional, demonic Obongo-no-care? To please DHS trolls?

          • heroay

            But your Faux News, aka, Fox Skews sauce is more credible? Why “liar” is all over your DHS pre-programmed script?

          • heroay

            Fox Skews, aka, Faux News, owned by ashkenazi neanderthal MurDuck, your info sauce? No wonder now.

          • heroay

            kosher sites, like HuffyPuffy? ADL? AIPAC? Figures.

          • Jack

            WTS/Jay:

            If you are merely posting something you heard, then the people who made your claimed posts are liars. If you made them up then you are a liar..

          • WTS/JAY

            Jack: If you are merely posting something you heard, then the people who made your claimed posts are liars.

            Funny, isn’t it, how liars always think everyone else is lying?

          • Jack

            WTS/Jay:

            If you really knew what the law provides you would have known what you posted was a lie.

            Since the maximum penalty in 2014 is $95.00 or 1% of a person’s income whichever is larger – it is clear the people are lying about $4,000.00 fines. There also is no provision in the law regarding driver’s licences or liens on homes. Other than deducting the penalty from any income tax refund due, the IRS has no means to collect the penalty.

            Do yYou l like most people who are opposed to Obamacare, think that it is government insurance when it is private insurance? Do you think the government controls medical decisions when it does not control what your doctor or other healthcare provider does for you?.

            Why don’t you find out the truth about a program before you decide how much you hate it. Oh I forgot that would take a few minutes of your time and a little thinking.- something that rigthties have problems doing.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          What you are afraid of is that your Dem/Prog/Leftist numbers are slipping.

          • rbrooks

            what i am afraid of is that the gop will lose again and we will have a one party majority. you are simply too dense to understand the dangers of that. same problem that the new immigrant cruz has.

          • heroay

            YOU afraid the GOP lose?? Hypocrite. Hireling of the DHS, traitor of the Republic. Cruz wins (IF he is a natural born), and there will be round ups of moles and trolls across the land. End of cancerous subversion in America. Run while you can!! (Though you cannot hide).

        • WTS/JAY

          The Democratic Party is a conspiracy whereby liars advance the cause of evil with the assistance of fools.

          • Bob666

            Well Jay,not sure that statement does not fit the GOP as well.

            Both parties are beyond help-that is why we are in the spot that we sit in right now.

          • WTS/JAY

            I should have made clear that the fools that provide the assistance, are, the GOP.

          • Bob666

            Close,
            but if you eliminated on of them (does not matter which party), the other would rot into a smoldering heap.

          • heroay

            smoldering heap? the one you carry inside your adult expandable pamper, latrine dweller from tel aviv. And stinks all the way across the ocean. Go FLUSH!

          • heroay

            what you sit on is indescribable in CLEAN human terms, after you ran out of adult pampers when you found out you were marked for arrest and a jail cell for treason, DHS stoolie.

        • heroay

          HAHA! Why are these latrine dweller trolls such funny liars? THEIR numbers are dwelling although they still usurp the Federal Gov. and own the Messy Media. But brag about their nothingness.

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        Supporters of the Kenyan Fraud Signing Petition to Repeal the BILL OF RIGHTS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0he0cqHH20&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLa8S4GilqogQILnrvxLgZREFkebrMfJ3f

        And Petition to Repeal the FIRST AMENDMENT
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpHOaW99ST4

        Supporters of the Kenyan Fraud are soooo STUPID that they are signing “I am a moron” petition
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIvea_QWF4g&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLa8S4GilqogQILnrvxLgZREFkebrMfJ3f

        Howard Stern Exposes Dumb Obama Supporters
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpv0lPz-pd4

        So imagine the present and the future of this country depend on these morons.

    • jaybird

      If you want to see self-centered, selfish and a cold hearted SOB you should have seen the video of Harry Reid when one of his Dem. female Senators asked him to consider funding the experimental cancer program at NIH that they might save 1 child while the gov. is shut down. His reply “Why would I consider that”? Why would you ask me that, I have other people to worry about. I saw it on a talk show yesterday.

      He also had memorials that needed wire fence, metal fences and sand bags to keep Veterans out and extra guards (and we have no money???)

      You don’t understand that the Conservatives are trying to save you from yourself. You think it is OK for others to get waivers or these programs but the hard working American middle class should not. This bill is full of laws that don’t even apply to health care.

      • Jana

        Yes, GO LOOK IN THE MIRROR!. You will see a real life “self centered selfish cold hearted SOB. ” Your words.

        • jaybird

          We can see what the Democratic party and Harry Reid is, I must have hit one of your nerves, I see you got excited with the CAPS. Good night.

          • Jana

            Jaybird I thought I was replying to rbrooks, not you. I am sorry about that. I am a conservative too and feel the same way you do. Please accept my apology.
            Harry Reid is so infuriatingly disgusting aagh!

          • rbrooks

            naw. you are not capable of thought.

          • heroay

            and brookie is not capable an honest and truthful comment. His DHS pay comes first, America last. And tel aviv second? Hmmm!

      • rbrooks

        that is not quite what he said. what he did say was why are the republicans singling out one group to be covered and ignoring all of the rest.

        • jaybird

          I saw the video and the only mistake I made was that it was a reporter that asked the question. They like always are trying to turn it around.

          • rbrooks

            now you sound just like a typical teabagger.

          • jaybird

            At least I will correct something if I have discovered that I made a mistake, unlike some people. I bet you are hard to live with.

          • rbrooks

            naw. you failed to mention his entire reply in it’s entire context. you have not corrected anything.

          • jaybird

            You have only seen what has been said since the original statement by Harry Reid.

          • rbrooks

            i watched the same video that you did.

          • heroay

            With a soiled towel over your face? Your microchip is in ‘Repeat’ mode, it shows.

          • heroay

            blah-blah-repeat-nothing-say-nothing sorry piece of parasite from tel aviv.

          • heroay

            now you sound like a typical tel aviv latrine dweller. Actually, you are.

        • Robert Messmer

          Even so, why not approve the funding for the NIH? It would at least get them back to work, but Reid is too busy trying to bully the people to apply pressure to those who are resisting them. If he cared, if Obama cared, if the Democrats cared for the people they would fund the NIH. Yet they refuse…

          • rbrooks

            you mean if the gop cared they would have funded all of those in need. now they want to fund a few that are making them look bad.

          • Robert Messmer

            You can spin it anyway you want to.

          • rbrooks

            what the democrats should do is send the bill back to the gop with the old funding amount. include the amount the gop took away from those children.

        • Robert Messmer

          No he actually (according to at least one source) said “REID: Why would we want to do that?” “We” meaning the Democrats, not “I” meaning just Reid by himself. He then went on to accuse the reporter of being “irresponsible and reckless –”. Since when has it been irresponsible and reckless for reporters to ask questions?

          • rbrooks

            none of you can quote the entire exchange, you keep quoting out of context. and still can not make a viable point.

          • Robert Messmer

            And you just keep spinning and not making any point at all.

          • rbrooks

            simply because you are too dumb too understand.

          • Robert Messmer

            LOL

    • Nadzieja Batki

      But why are you desperate if O is giving you the moon.
      We recognize you for what you are, simply a parasite.

    • JRR

      You mean like O believes in liberty for all, while he supports Muslims who dispense with women and girls as though they were … well, NOT EQUAL?

      I once read that if one could choose only one word to describe liberals, the best word would be “hypocritical.” You have just given us a great example of why that is correct.

      • rbrooks

        obama, along with most of the viewers and authors on this site, have a lot in common. trying to force their version of personal liberty on others.

        christians have always treated women as property. they still do.

        • heroay

          Do you READ? Then READ how one Yacob (NO ‘J’ then) stole all the good sheep from his SYRIAN uncle (?!?), and also took 4 ‘wives’ (concubines) from his uncle, two of them COUSINS (Yoiks!), and two of them ‘maids’ (slaves), and ‘pumped’ them all to create some wild errand tribes…

          Guess how much welfare these 4 concubine property and their OWNER, the “usurper-deceiver (O.T.)” Yacob, would rapine from tax-robbed Americans today? Tell you: 3 Billion per year, plus fringe benefits, like war planes, bombs, and cannon fodder to fight and die in their wars.

          Women ‘property’? Not these today. Most being homo-zaps, and ‘their’ bossy women, lesbos. Like Hillary.

  • WTS/JAY

    Act of 2010 – SB 3081 »

    Obamacare MUSLIMS EXEMPT ? NOT CHRISTIANS ?

    CHRISTIANS AND JEWS NEED NOT APPLY FOR THE MUSLIM EXEMPTION TO OBAMACARE

    They can OPT OUT, why can’t you?

    Baptists- NOT EXEMPT
    Catholics- NOT EXEMPT
    Lutherans- NOT EXEMPT
    Jews- NOT EXEMPT
    You- NOT EXEMPT

    Let’s Get this Straight, the following ARE EXEMPT FROM OBAMACARE !!!:

    President Obama
    Vice President Biden
    Speaker Nancy Pelosi
    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid
    White House Staff
    Cabinet Secretaries
    Congressional Staff*
    Muslims
    Amish
    American Indian Tribes
    Criminals
    Scientologists
    Christian Scientists

    *Congressional staffers who wrote ObamaCare, staffers working in a leadership office or for a Congressional committee all receive an exemption.

    ObamaCare discriminates against Christians and Jews by denying them special exemptions extended to other religions.
    If you are a mainstream Christian or a Jew, you need not apply to Opt Out of ObamaCare; that exemption is reserved for Muslims, Scientologists, Amish, Christian Scientists and Native American Indians who have a “conscientious objection” to insurance. A conscientious objection to theft committed by rouge politicians under the color of law with the threat of violence for non-compliance isn’t sufficient in America today to exempt average Americans from the stranglehold of government.

    Believe it or not, if you are a Muslim you may claim a special religious exemption to Obama-Care that is denied to main-stream Christians and Jews. Or if you prefer a New-Age religion to Islam, you may become a Scientologist and Opt Out of ObamaCare’s mandatory pur-chase of health insurance. Or, if you happen to be of Native American Indian extraction you too can opt out of the insurance laws by which everyone else in America must abide.

    “There are several reasons why an individual could claim exemption, being a member of a religion that does not believe in insurance is one of them. Islam is one of those religions. Muslims believe that health insurance is ‘haraam,’ or forbidden; because they liken the ambiguity and probability of insurance to gambling. This belief excludes them from any of the requirements, mandates, or penalties set forth in the bill. Other excluded groups include Amish, American Indians, and Christian Scientists.” – Quote from Liberty & Pride

    DEMAND an Individual Opt-Out AMENDMENT!

    http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.phpr=5416238&msgid=200321&act=KBX3&c=552799&destination=https%3A%2F%2Fpatientoptout.com%2Fsecure-online-donation%2Fmuslims-get-to-opt-out%2F

    They can OPT OUT, why can’t you?

    What is next? Allowing Muslims to opt out of mandatory state automobile insurance laws?
    If you are a typical hardworking American who pays the freight for this healthcare Obamanation, you are required not only to pay the taxes to support free and subsidized healthcare for others, you also will be required to purchase health insurance or pay a fine if you don’t while certain favored religions and ethnic groups are allowed to escape the government’s maw. The U.S. Constitution supposedly grants ALL Americans equal protection of the law but under ObamaCare, some Americans are clearly more equal than others.
    Defend America,

    Lawrence A. Hunter, Ph.D.
    Social Security Institute
    15 Culpeper St.
    Warrenton VA, 20187

    • TML

      Basically, if you are not exempt from social security or medicare for religious affiliation, then you won’t be with Obamacare. The list of those claimed to be exempt is pure speculation with no real basis (except maybe the Amish because they already don’t pay social security tax if self-employed under the IRS code 1402. Unlikely that Muslims, Scientologists, or Christian scientists (what up with that one?) would be exempt.

      I’m guessing criminals would be exempt because they’re in jail? lol

      —–

      26 USC § 5000A – Requirement to maintain minimum essential coverage
      (d) Applicable individual
      (2) Religious exemptions
      (A) Religious conscience exemption
      Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption under section 1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which certifies that such individual is—
      (i) a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof which is described in section 1402 (g)(1), and
      (ii) an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section.

      —–

      Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
      1311(d)(4) FUNCTIONS.—An Exchange shall, at a minimum—
      (H) subject to section 1411, grant a certification attesting that, for purposes of the individual responsibility penalty under section 5000A of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, an individual is exempt from the individual requirement or from the penalty imposed by such section because—
      (i) there is no affordable qualified health plan available through the Exchange, or the individual’s employer, covering the individual; or
      (ii) the individual meets the requirements for any other such exemption from the individual responsibility
      requirement or penalty;

      —–

      Internal Revenue Code:Sec. 1402. Definitions
      (g) Members of certain religious faiths
      (1) Exemption
      Any individual may file an application (in such form and
      manner, and with such official, as may be prescribed by
      regulations under this chapter) for an exemption from the tax
      imposed by this chapter if he is a member of a recognized
      religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of
      established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by
      reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of
      the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes
      payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or
      retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides
      services for, medical care (including the benefits of any
      insurance system established by the Social Security Act). Such
      exemption may be granted only if the application contains or is
      accompanied by –
      (A) such evidence of such individual’s membership in, and
      adherence to the tenets or teachings of, the sect or division
      thereof as the Secretary may require for purposes of
      determining such individual’s compliance with the preceding
      sentence, and
      (B) his waiver of all benefits and other payments under
      titles II and XVIII of the Social Security Act on the basis of
      his wages and self-employment income as well as all such
      benefits and other payments to him on the basis of the wages
      and self-employment income of any other person,
      and only if the Commissioner of Social Security finds that –
      (C) such sect or division thereof has the established tenets
      or teachings referred to in the preceding sentence,
      (D) it is the practice, and has been for a period of time
      which he deems to be substantial, for members of such sect or
      division thereof to make provision for their dependent members
      which in his judgment is reasonable in view of their general
      level of living, and
      (E) such sect or division thereof has been in existence at
      all times since December 31, 1950.
      An exemption may not be granted to any individual if any benefit
      or other payment referred to in subparagraph (B) became payable
      (or, but for section 203 or 222(b) of the Social Security Act,
      would have become payable) at or before the time of the filing of
      such waiver.

      • WTS/JAY

        Under a strict interpretation of the Koran, which forbids acceptance of public or private insurance, they are exempt under this loophole. However, since the great majority of American Muslims pay Social Security taxes and receive Social Security benefits, they don’t qualify for the religious exemption. Nevertheless, PPACA rules offer a situation where American Muslims could qualify for the religious exemption. If an individual is a member of a “health-sharing ministry,”—a religious non-profit organization in which members contribute money to cover the medical expenses of those in need—they are exempt from the requirement to purchase insurance.

        Health sharing ministries exemplify the Muslim principle of Takaful –individuals cooperating and protecting one another against loss or damage. This writer knows of no such health sharing ministry organizations in the U.S. at present. However, as of December 2008, Risk Specialists Companies, Inc., a subsidiary of AIG Commercial Insurance, has offered Lexington TakafulSolutions SM Takaful homeowners insurance, which includes health insurance. This is part of a series of Shariah-compliant insurance products in the U.S. The Takaful homeowners policy is underwritten by RSC member company A.I. Risk Specialists Insurance, Inc., in conjunction with Lexington Insurance Company, and is available in all 50 states. However, why was this provision—that members of health sharing ministries qualify for the religious exemption—put in H.R. 3590 in the first place? What happens when American Muslims, who participate in the Social Security system, join a “health-sharing ministry”?

        http://frontpagemag.com/2011/eric-burns/muslims-exempt-from-obamacare/

  • WTS/JAY

    Obama Prohibits Practice of Catholicism in U.S…

    (CNSnews)Beginning now, with the opening of government-run health-insurance exchanges, President Barack Obama will be prohibiting American Catholics from practicing their faith in the way they live their daily lives.

    The Catholic Church teaches that sterilization, artificial contraception and abortion are intrinsically immoral and Catholics cannot be involved in them.

    Last year, President Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services issued a regulation, under Obamacare, requiring that almost all health care plans in the United States must provide coverage, without any fees or co-pay, for sterilizations, contraceptives and abortion-inducing drugs.

    At no time has he offered to exempt from it those individual Americans whom he has put in the position of needing to choose between obeying his bureaucratic mandate and the teachings of their faith.

    Since Obama’s administration first issued this regulation, America’s Catholic bishops have forcefully and unambiguously declared it an “unjust law.”

    “A human law has the character of law to the extent that it accords with right reason, and thus derives from the eternal law,” says the Catholic Catechism, quoting St. Thomas Aquinas. “Insofar as it falls short of right reason it is said to be an unjust law, and thus has not so much the nature of law as of a kind of violence.”

    Yes, Obama’s sterilization-contraception-abortifacient mandate is “a kind of violence.”

    “If rulers were to enact unjust laws or take measures contrary to the moral order, such arrangements would not be binding in conscience,” says the Catholic Catechism. “In such a case, ‘authority breaks down completely and results in shameful abuse.’”

    Yes, Obama’s sterilization-contraception-abortifacient mandate is a “shameful abuse.”

    Archbishop Timothy Broglio, leader of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese for the Military Services, succinctly explained the evil of Obama’s regulation in a letter he asked Catholic chaplains to read to U.S. troops attending Mass in January 2012.

    Obama’s regulation, Archbishop Broglio said, “strikes at the fundamental right to religious liberty for all citizens of any faith.”

    “It is a blow to a freedom that you have fought to defend and for which you have seen your buddies fall in battle,” the archbishop told the troops.

    “We cannot — we will not — comply with this unjust law,” he said.

    more here: http://gopthedailydose.com/2013/10/02/obama-prohibits-practice-catholicism-u-s-2/

    • flashy

      Mm. just because it is offered, last I heard doesn’t mandate using the covered CHOICE. By forcing it not to be a universal option, the American Taliban wants to force their dogma upon others who may not exactly believe in the Christian cults …Now how is giving a choice “destroying” christianity?

      • WTS/JAY

        Because the choice to opt out, is only given to some.

        Who are the only one’s who are given the choice to opt out of obamacare:

        President Obama
        Vice President Biden
        Speaker Nancy Pelosi
        Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid
        White House Staff
        Cabinet Secretaries
        Congressional Staff*
        Muslims
        Amish
        American Indian Tribes
        Criminals
        Scientologists
        Christian Scientists

        Who are the one’s not allowed to opt out of obamacare:

        Baptists- NOT EXEMPT
        Catholics- NOT EXEMPT
        Lutherans- NOT EXEMPT
        Jews- NOT EXEMPT
        You- NOT EXEMPT

        In your opinion, Flashy, is that fair?

        • JRR

          I believe illegal aliens are also exempt from being FORCED under Obamacare.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Shill Dave gets Shrill. His handlers must be threatening to cut his pay.
    Shill Dave’s hero shows his true colors:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2013/10/03/obamas-fatal-mistake-on-social-security/

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Is that how you put it when your hand is in other people’s pockets, Shill Dave?

      • Jana

        His ears are closed.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You mean O walked into the presidency with whatever money was in his own pocket. Who has been telling you that fairytale? What is even stupider of you is that you believe this.

        • Bob666

          Well,
          Our little ray of sunshine has risen.

        • Jana

          Nadj,
          You misunderstood what he was talking about. He wasn’t talking about Obama.

        • macgyver1948

          Nadzieja Batki… No politicians can win elections with just their own money. Obama took money too. Remember the little bush paid huge amounts of our money to “Pay back” his Oil buddies. That is the problem, the “Pay BAck with our money. IT should have come out of little bush’s pockets and not ours. Or it may be paid back by supporting what those huge investors want for their politicians in the form of sponsoring and voting for bills that help only those industries/’investors. No team does that better than the GOP in such great numbers.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        You have no credibility on this board, Shill Dave. You can see that in the number of thumbs down you get. I think your handlers should ask for their money back.

        • macgyver1948

          TheOriginalDaveH… Still stuck on your fantasy “shill” groove I see. Good for you. :-)

          • Kaiser

            macgyver1948.Dave
            so it sounds like you like what Obama is doing to this country. why am i not surprised you seem to be in favor of socialism, statism, whatever you want to call it. Silly me to think that we live in a Constitutional Republic system. If you work hard, you should be able to reap your hard work and become rich. Obama doesn’t want you to be rich. Please tell me one country that lives the socialistic society that is prospering? tick…tick…tick. answer, their isn’t one.
            Why is it that when our government creates a law, only some of us need to obey the law while others don’t. The Dems are keeping the gov. shut down, not the Reps. The Repubs passed a budget with everything paid for except Obamacare and the dems turned it down and Obummer said he would veto it.

            Obama said it is constitutional. the Supremes said so. Ok, The supremes said slavery, segregation and Japanese Internment was constitutional. So should we go back to that?

          • macgyver1948

            Kaiser… You are such a joke to be as so many on your side to make up other people’s allegiances such as “so it sounds like you like what Obama is doing to this country. why am i not surprised you seem to be in
            favor of socialism, statism, whatever you want to call it.”. By “statism” do you mean Satanism? How
            do you get Satanism from what I write, or for that matter any of the others you call me but mostly Satanism? Wow you are far gone with your accusations. Do you have any kind of mind of your own??? It seems you just do not have a clue about those who do not agree with you. WOW I say that a lot to your side.

            Do you really think, as many on your side in this site, that you have that special God-given talent “mind-reading”? Do you really think you can actually label people just because they do not agree with your ways of thinking? Maybe I should ask “do you really think or
            just accept what your side tells you allowing them to think for you? Are you for real?

            You can bet the farm I believe in our “Constitutional Republic system” but not as the Tea Party or their owned GOP but as the US Founding Fathers structures it. I believe in Liberty, all people’s liberty
            equally and I do not tell others what they really mean or what they really are. I can just as easily label you as a Nazi but that is nasty.

            Another example of your misconceived mind for what other people think and feel. You say “If you work hard, you should be able to reap your hard work and become rich. Obama doesn’t want you to be rich.”.
            There is you, and others like you, telling us all your know concerning Obama’s mind-set and desires for us. LOL…

            This is too unrealistic to address but worth mentioning. “Why is it that when our government creates a law, only some of us need to obey the law while others don’t”.

            Then you say “The Dems are keeping the gov. shut down, not the Reps. The Repubs passed a budget with everything paid for except Obamacare and
            the dems turned it down and Obummer said he w ould vet o it”.

            It gets more fantastic the further you go. The Tea Party wanted the Shutdown so the TP’s property in the GOP were told to shut it down. The Dems and Obama do not want the shut down because it will hurt so
            many people as iot already is and the longer it lasts the more it will hurt our economy. WOW!!!. Your guys shut it down and put so many out of work with their apathy for us and their desire to do what they
            want or else.

            Here is a parallel story I made up just to show what the Tea Party and their GOP are doing. “A gangster/criminal grabs a young girl and
            puts a knife to her throat. He then tells the cops “IF you do not do what I want I will cut her throat and it will be on your souls”. In the criminal’s way of thinking he is justified just as the TP and their GOP. Your guys cause it and they do not have the ethics and the
            maturity to own up to their attitudes and actions. They should be arrested and jailed for treason.

            You end with his question “Obama said it is constitutional. the Supremes said so. Ok, The supremes said slavery, segregation and
            Japanese Internment was constitutional. So should we go back to that?”. As I said above you further you go the more fantastic, and now – unreal, you get. No, we should never go to, back or otherwise, wrong decisions in the past. All those decisions from our past you mention are too bad for us to even think about.

            By the way, when Obama sent Ocare to the commentate for approval and passage there were not things in it such as the Mandate. The GOP,
            with help from their owners the TP, put in their stuff and told Obama if he didn’t approve of their insertions they would make it fail. On two separate occasions I heard Obama say he didn’t want their inclusions but that is what the political compromise is about. So
            often political compromise hurt us but they seem to feel they have no choice if they want their bill turned into law.

            Another “By the way”, this time a little history. When Reagan was president he told us we needed national health care in place. Then in 1992 or there abouts the GOP sent their version of national health care through, perhaps because of what the Gipper said. It had in it stuff such as the now-known-as Mandate and other GOP things. IT failed badly because Congress saw its flaws. Romney included many GOP national Health care items in his RomneyCare for Massachusetts as Government and it was terrible. That and his state job dumpings, as well as many of his economic plans for Massachusetts, helped to get Massachusetts to not carry him, and badly, in the presidential election. The GOP versions of National
            Health Care does not seem to work or make sense to many in Government. We need to revise ObamaCare so it works better and in that we need to start with taking out many of the GOP insertions, especially the Mandate.

            I just wonder how you will distort my meanings in my response to you and if you will “tell” me what I really mean. That too is a typical Right side activity. Enjoy. :-).

          • Kaiser

            What are you talking about? I wrote Statism, not Satanism. Statism is when the government is in control of your life. Think about it, under Obamacare, the government will tell you what kind of healthcare you will receive. They will determine, under their ‘Death Panels’ whether you deserve surgery, prescription drugs, etc. combine that with Moochele’s eating plan, and you’ve got a prescription for the gov’t telling you what you are allowed to eat in order to maintain your Obamacare coverage. What scares me is, when they find out I’m a conservative, they WILL withhold healthcare opportunities for me and my fellow conservatives.
            Now, on the subject of shutting down our government, it’s Harry Reid and Obama who shut down the government, not the GOP. Obama has stated that he will not negotiate with the GOP. And yes, the House did pass a budget with everything paid for except Obamacare. Harry Reid will not allow that budget come to the floor for a vote.

          • macgyver1948

            Kaiser … I wasn’t sure what you meant so I asked if it was Satanism. What, I am not allowed to ask if I am not sure? Do I really have to apologize for asking a question especially when I wasn’t sure of what you meant? I will if you insist.

            I know what Statism is. The Statism we should be concerned about is the control the Corporation want over us and that is called Plutocracy, the kind the Tea Party and their owned GOP are heading us toward if
            we do not stop them. The Corporations would be governing all of us if the Right gets its way.

            Whatever Health Care is called if it is from the Left, these days especially from Obama, the Right will oppose it NO MATTER WHAT – just because
            it is from the Left and especially if it is an Obama thing. But if it is off the recommendation of President Ronald Reagen the Right will love it even though it would be just as nationalized as ObamaCare. The GOP tried their version of Reagan’s suggested National Health
            care in Congress in 1992 and it failed miserably. The GOP offered in their failure what we these days have come to know as the dreaded Mandate and other failed GOP items that were insisted on to be included if Obama wanted ObamaCare passed. WOW, how could that happen? Before ObamaCare was passed but after it went through the House committee I heard Obama say he didn’t want the GOP stuff but he had
            not choice. That is called the dreaded political “Compromise” where there is generally something in those that will hurt the country.

            You go on to say “They will determine, under their ‘Death Panels’ whether you deserve surgery, prescription drugs, etc….”. ‘Death Panels’ is one of those misapplied Tea Party phrases to offer more
            evil and fear than is there so I don’t listen to them,. You are so nice to spread the evil and fear for the Tea Party., I bet they love you for it.

            You go on with “etc. combine that with Moochele’s eating plan, and you’ve got a prescription for the gov’t telling you what you are allowed to eat in order to maintain your Obamacare coverage”. That is kind of funny of you to say this Kaiser., not accurate but funny. But more fear is being unnecessarily spread so who cares, Right?

            You then say “What scares me is, when they find out I’m a conservative, they WILL withhold healthcare opportunities for me and my fellow conservatives”. Wow this is the funniest malarkey yet from you.
            Enjoy your engineered paranoia. LOL.

            You say “it’s Harry Reid and Obama who shut down the government, not the GOP. Obama has stated that he w ill not negotiate with the GOP”.. OH thank you so much for this BS. LOL.. Saying ““it’s Harry Reid
            and Obama who shut down the government, not the GOP”. It is just like saying “the victims are negotiable and your who are trying to help are at fault for not giving us what we want”. LOL I love this so thank you again, LOL

            It is like a gangster grabbing a young girl, putting a knife to her throat and saying to the fuzz “If you do not give me what I want I will cut her throat and it will be your fault and on your soul”… I love telling that because it so much fits and describes the real
            shutdown doers, THE TEA PARTY AND THIER PUPPETS IN THE GOP. LOL.. Thank you again. LOL…

            We know where this “stuff” is coming from so I wont have to ask you even if you are not a member. Enjoy your Tea and relax in the fun of knowing you are doing their bidding even if you do not know it, LOL..

            And now this of your comment, your words, “Obama has stated that he will not negotiate with the GOP”. Yep, it is just like Obama is saying he will not negotiate with Terrorists. LOL. Great job there too Kaiser, :-).

            Wow this was so much fun, :-). You really made my day Kaiser, thank you many times over, :-)…

            Wow, the lies about who owns and started the Shut down are wild in here. Why cant the TPGOP take ownership of their own doings as responsible adults? I bet I know why and there are hints of why in my response to you in this Kaiser. LOL.

          • Kaiser

            And that’s why I love talk radio. At least once a day, one of the radio stations I listen to will play these lunatics left saying what I wrote down. We hear them say it in their own words.
            Have a nice day!

          • macgyver1948

            Kaiser… Do you know how many Right wing propaganda versions of “Left Speak” and edited videos and pictures I have heard and seen? One of the best is Obama’s speech made in Virginia where the Right has him saying
            “You didn’t build that” and ran with just those 4 words as if that was Obama’s real message. I heard the entire speech and it was so Right of your side to do their editing and leave out all Obama said. We here on this site had a Wayne Allen Root propaganda version
            of that speech too and just WAR alone signing his article made it a joke but so many others on the Right went over board with it too as they believed it without going to the real speech.

            Kaiser, have you ever seen the Right wing pic of Mr and Mrs Obama saluting the flag with their left hands that was circulating? That certainly “proves” they are Communists, doesn’t it? LOL. Not a very good Photo Shop job but it was typical of your side and, of course,
            believed by many on your side. LOL…

            In whose “own words”? LOL

            Enjoy your talk radio.

        • NC

          ABORIGINAL, having no credibility at a place that makes up conspiracies, alleges red flag government involvement in tragic situations, preaches overthrowing the government and thinks wayne allyn root knows what he is talking about is a badge of courage in my book and evidence of higher intellect!
          DAVE OWNS YOU IN EVERY DEBATE!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Having no credibility? Apparently, NutCase, you cup your hands over your eyes so you can’t see the number of thumbs down you get on this board.

          • Jeff

            Why do a few measley “thumbs ups” from the loons here make you think what you say actually has meaning? Your extreme right wing/libertarian/Ayn Rand universe of selfishness will never garner more than a tiny fraction of actual voters. You can keep the support of your acolytes: Jay, Alondra, Jana.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Who is more selfish:
            1) The person who earned the money and wants to spend it as he/she pleases.
            OR
            2) The person who didn’t earn the money and wants to spend it as he/she pleases.
            ?

          • Jeff

            I don’t want any of your MONEY, Dave. But I have trouble with a political party so enamored of low taxes on the well off that they think it’s OK to cut food stamps to poor kids – all because some guy in Hawaii might be able to game the system. I know you disagree with this, but we live in a society and there is (or used to be) a social contract permitting the wealthy to live in peace with their wealth so long as they pay some of it to allow the least among us to live at a base level. The new breed of TP/Repug seems not to grasp this fundamental fact.

            In the 50s, 60s,and 70s, taxes were much higher than they are today, there was far less stratification (the CEO making 30 or 40 times what the average worker made, not 1,000 times), and the rich were still rich. If you want to label everyone who believes in something beyond looking after your narrow self interest a socialist, sobeit.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As you surely know, I discriminate between the well-off who got that way by pleasing their consumers, and those who got that way by pleasing their Crony Politicians. The former are to be praised.
            There would be fewer of those “poor kids” if your Big Government wasn’t running interference for the Political Entrepreneurs with regulations and other forms of protection from competition and failure.
            Your Green-Colored Glasses are obscuring your vision, Jeff, which is exactly how the Crony Capitalists and their Crony Politicians want it.
            The Commandment — “Thou shalt NOT Steal” is not qualified by the level of a person’s wealth or by the need of those around them or by who does the stealing for you. If you take other people’s money, Jeff, whether they are rich or poor, whether you do it personally or hire a proxy agent to do it for you — You are a Thief. Quit living in your la la land.

            If you want the rich folks money, then do something for them and earn it.

          • Jeff

            You continue to claim taxation is theft, so you clearly have your head in the clouds. Even the concept is a bit nutty, but in practice, it is the very government you think is unnecessary that defines what is theft and what is “crime” in general. And if the government says it is a crime to be poor (i.e. loitering) while it is admirable to pay people as little as possible while engaging in illegal dumping of chemicals and insider trading on the stock market, then guess who ends up in jail?

            I doubt if you saw “Swept Away” in the 70s (not Madonna’s unwatchable remake), but it contained one scene that remarkably illustrated the dichotomy between one’s view of morality and the law. In it, a blonde, Northern Italian woman is a guest on a yacht on which Giancarlo Giannini plays a member of the crew. He is Southern, swarthy, and, of course, a communist. He hates the blonde,partly because she is rich but even more because she throws her wealth in everyone’s face and is constantly spouting right wing political opinions. As the movie unfolds, the two get stranded on an uncharted Mediterranean island,and Giancarlo is able to dive into the water and bring back a lobster for dinner while the blonde is starving. She offers him money for it but he refuses. She protests: Surely there must be a law against refusing someone aid when they’re hungry! He thinks while eating the lobster and responds: I don’t think so. If there were such a law, all the rich people would be in jail. Since all you see in jail are poor people, there can’t be such a law.

            Societies are structured to be either more or less egalitarian. Part of it is the tax structure; part of it is trade policies; still another is the attitude toward workers organizing into unions. It cannot be denied that at least since 1980, we have become increasingly stratified to the point where “the American dream” (Horatio Alger) is actually more likely in class conscious Britain than it is here. Can a true genius still rise to the top with a great idea? Of course. But can an ordinary working man work his way into the middle class as our fathers could? That’s much more difficult and at least part of the reason is government policies.

          • heroay

            2013, The New Beginning. Smell the wind. Losers.

    • macgyver1948

      Hi TheOriginalDaveH.. hows it going? So you do not like Dave';s comment. Not surprising but he has a great response to you about your comment to him, :-). See who Dave cares about, his “heroes”? Those are not the TP or the GOP, they have no compassion or concern for us.

    • macgyver1948

      Dave, yep, the Plutocracy that the Right is in business to support. What I so not get is how those who are not affluent or of the Plutocracy or their property in the GOP is how they can vote and support them. Isn’t that like supporting and voting again oneself?

  • WTS/JAY

    Labor Unions: Obamacare Will ‘Shatter’ Our Health Benefits, Cause ‘Nightmare Scenarios’…

    Labor unions are among the key institutions responsible for the passage of Obamacare. They spent tons of money electing Democrats to Congress in 2006 and 2008, and fought hard to push the health law through the legislature in 2009 and 2010. But now, unions are waking up to the fact that Obamacare is heavily disruptive to the health benefits of their members.

    Last Thursday, representatives of three of the nation’s largest unions fired off a letter to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, warning that Obamacare would “shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.”Congressional Hearing: It’s Time To Repeal Obamacare’s Employer MandateAvik RoyContributor

    The letter was penned by James P. Hoffa, general president of the InternationalBrotherhood of Teamsters; Joseph Hansen, international president of the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union; and Donald “D.” Taylor, president of UNITE-HERE, a union representing hotel, airport, food service, gaming, and textile workers.

    “When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act,” they begin, “you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat…We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision. Now this vision has come back to haunt us.”

    read more: http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/07/15/labor-leaders-obamacare-will-shatter-their-health-benefits-cause-nightmare-scenarios/

    • JRR

      Little late, Jimmy Honey. You should have done due diligence BEFORE the monstrosity passed. But Obama-worship blinded you until it was too late.

      • WTS/JAY

        That darn carrot on a stick, hey mate? Lol!

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Your target list of wavering Republicans:
    http://gunowners.org/alert10032013.htm

    • JeffH

      Ah, yes! Hannity aired the same list on his show on Wed.

      I listened to (R)Devin Nunes/Fresno talking with a local radio host and you could feel the distain he had for Ted Cruz…basically lambasting Ted Cruz as the creator of the R-House’s position on the CR. He was accusing Cruz of manipulating the House’s position for his owm political gain…the Presidency 2016(?).

      The jury has been out on Nunes with me for over a year now and he just confirmed my suspicions…he’s no different than McCain.

  • WTS/JAY

    She sounds more like a reich-winger, if you ask me, Dave. Do we really need another liar in the White-house? The Dems, are responsible for the government-shutdown, not the Repubs. The Repubs passed a funding bill which was rejected by Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and the Prez. Remember?

    • http://www.rt.com Alondra

      No, he does not remember. He doesn’t want remember.

      • JRR

        He INSISTS on not remembering, which makes him one of the insistently ignorant.

        What a shame that we can’t ship these people to some fascist hellhole for several years, and let them have some time to experience what it is like, and re-think whether it should be forced on all of America.

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          JRR, do not worry about them. They are collectively marching to the satan’s hellhole for eternity.

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    Yes Dave. She has a good chance. Isn’t she 1/32 of some Native Indian tribe? Cherokee, I believe.

  • heroay

    Aaah! You lowly bovine dropping… Gotcha, uh, cheap rascal? Since you and ALL other parasite shills living at the expense of tax-robbed payers, are REGISTERED with your nannies, sooner than not somebody (MY Sheriff?) will knock on your latrine and start asking questions… Do you bovine droppings KNOW what the penalty IS for TREASON in time of WAR (against Zion)?? Buy plenty of adult pampers from here on. GOTCHA!!

    • heroay

      TYPICAL tel aviv latrine dweller! NO words, just droppings on the floor, bulging pampers to make the quota, and a mouthful of cow dung!

      • heroay

        TYPICAL tel aviv latrine dweller! NO words, just droppings on the floor,
        bulging pampers to make the quota, and a mouthful of cow dung! FLUSH!

  • heroay

    GOTCHA, mouth-piece! Buy plenty of adult pampers from here on. GOTCHA!!

    • heroay

      HAHA! Making you ‘work’ overtime, moron, while your pampers fill to the brim? Sheriff is gonna get ya!

      • heroay

        HAHA! Look a the monkee in the latrine! Ran out of his 5 words training, and is LOST of ANY arguments to make… cheap latrine nannies you had, monkee-do!

        • heroay

          Monkee-do, monkee-doodo, that’s all you are. You are FIRED, clown!

          • Guest

            .

            I’m retired. If you had a lick of sense-you would still be a moron.

          • heroay

            You are fired, tel aviv latrine dweller! NO words, just droppings on the floor,
            bulging pampers to make the quota, and a mouthful of cow dung! Now, swallow!

        • heroay

          broken tape recorder tel aviv latrine dweller! NO words, just droppings on the bunk bed,
          bulging pampers to make the quota, and a mouthful of cow dung! Go tel aviv, monkee-doodo!

    • heroay

      there you go, tel aviv latrine dweller! NO words, just droppings on the floor,
      bulging pampers to make the quota, and a mouthful of cow dung!

  • heroay

    GOTCHA, mouth-piece for Ziotics! Buy plenty of adult pampers from here on. GOTCHA!!

    • heroay

      Making you ‘work’ overtime, moron, while your pampers fill to the brim? Sheriff is gonna get ya!

      • heroay

        5 words in English, and GONE! Loser! Dummy! Fractal brained neanderthal!

        • heroay

          Pity! The monkee-do keeps TRYING to communicate ”something” but can’t find the LOST words in his training manual… Dumb!

        • heroay

          saddest thing is you were allowed to buy pampers to keep you posting marathon style, and paid with American tax robbed money.

      • heroay

        what color are your pampers now, after days posting tripe on this siite?

    • heroay

      numbnut loose waffle cow cake. Learn English, latrine dweller.

  • heroay

    GOTCHA, mouth-piece for demented delusional wannabe gods on earth! Buy plenty of adult pampers from here on. GOTCHA!!

    • heroay

      NO, but yours IS IQ-70, tested, recorded, and branded on your… rear guard.

    • heroay

      Hey, wasteful moronic monkee-doodie! After you go to your bunker in the latrine, have a LOT of diarrhea, cheap punk!

  • heroay

    GOTCHA, homo mouth-piece for demented delusional wannabe crackpots! You are
    REGISTERED! Buy plenty of adult pampers from here on. GOTCHA!!

    • heroay

      Monkee-see, monkee-do! IQ-70 fractal brained inbred troglodyke!

      • heroay

        Monkee-do, monkee-repeat-until-drops-dead…. or, so he was trained at the latrine… ELSE, lose his wages of sin… Uh, mokee-doodo?? FAILED!

        • Guest

          “lose his wages of sin”
          What sin would that be nit wit-wasting my time with a moron like you?

      • Guest

        ?

        • heroay

          they need at the Frisco Parade, homo-zap. They miss your pestilent diapers and pink socks.

      • heroay

        Chimp-dhimp! Now, jump back to your tree, sorry piece of trolling dung.

    • heroay

      shut up, homo-zap latrine neanderthal. Your vapid responses are worth pasting in a roll of soft tissue for later use. WIPE!

  • heroay

    GOTCHA, inbred homo mouth-piece for demented delusional wannabe crackpots! You are
    REGISTERED! Buy plenty of adult pampers from here on. GOTCHA!!

  • heroay

    HEAR what I said, HOMO ZAP? What you need is to take your head out your deepest cavity, and smell some fresh air from time to time… Until you are rounded up for TREASON against the Republic.

    • heroay

      HAHA! Look a the homo-zap barking in the window! How about your muggy pampers, homo-zap? Run and buy more, or you will SWIM in IT in your tel aviv latrine!! HAHA! Dummy!

      • heroay

        And HOW do ya KNOW ‘down the corner’, crankie wankie? Coz your tribe distributes there, uh, monkee-do?

        • heroay

          go ahead, swim in your expandable pampers. Make sure tomorrow you replace it or you will drown in it before the TRIALS, ignorant moron.

  • heroay

    Got the RUNS already, dummy homo zap? And that’s just for starters.

    • heroay

      HAHA! Look how the homos cry for nanny after they are spotted, tagged, and bunked behind bars for treason against the Republic…! Losers!

      • heroay

        Monkee-see, monkee-do. Now, monkee-doodo, filling the pampers to the brim! el-homo-Stink-o, on steroids!

        • heroay

          AM SURE THAT is what YOU are gong to do, monkee-do monkee-doodo homo-zap. Inbreeding DOES make for DNA changes, BAD changes. YOU are PROOF, spoof.

          • Guest

            DNA-What subterranean species would your DNA belong to?

    • heroay

      monkee-do monkee-repeat nothing, ignorant old sack of cow dung

  • heroay

    Hey! Got the RUNS already, dummy homo zap? And that’s just for starters.

    • heroay

      HAHA! Got the runs, crummy bimbo dummy homo zap? WE’ll send you all crummy shills some bovine droppings on Sundays, at your local federal prison…. HAHA!

      • heroay

        Yeee-ha! The homo-zaps are swimming in IT already! X-Posed, and guilty of treason as charged! Next, FLUSH’em, til the streets are CLEAN from pestilence.

        • heroay

          Hey! After you go to your bunker in the latrine, have a LOT of diarrhea, cheap punk!

        • Guest

          and those are your strengths-so sad

          • heroay

            your only strength is the one you use to push the flow out of your tripe. You are drowning in it.

          • Guest

            Don’t know what your problem is dip-wad, but you obviously don’t know me or many other people here.

            Take you meds and the voices in your head will go away.

          • heroay

            Changed clown costume, 5-word trollo? Repeat-repeat-repeat. Your training manual is useless now with so much
            dung out of your pampers, right, moronic IQ-70 neanderthal?

      • heroay

        Empty your adult pampers, your mouth is full of it already.

    • heroay

      Repeat-repeat-repeat. Your training manual is useless now with so much dung out of your pampers, right, moronic IQ-70 neanderthal?

  • heroay

    Davy Crooked! Your time to face justice is around the corner. You FAILS REGISTERED with the enemy of the US, the Bolshevik instituted DHS, and that will be your federal prison entrance key, DUMMIES!

  • heroay

    your tel aviv-DHS training SPILLS through your frontal opening (or keystrokes). Your deranged tribesmen at Ambassadors for the Net and Megaphone hit the waves earlier than you drumsticks. EXPOSED!

  • heroay

    SHILL! Your time is UP, and OUT! Homo SHILL!

  • heroay

    SHILL, X-Posed and ready for the Sheriff, uh, SHILL?

  • heroay

    What, already having problems coining per-conditioned programmed linguistics, homo shill Davy Crooked?

  • Doug Nusbaum

    Oh goody. Now we are looking to psychopaths (look up the bob hare psychopathy test) for advice. More important. This is way to little and way way to late. Of course then you will be funding SEX!!! Oops, womens reproductive services. And that would result in our moral decline. And ABORTIONS. Good christian conservatives (short hand for being unable or unwilling to change ie, learn new stuff, ie stupid Jindahl was right) cant allow THAT!.

    • Brevity is the soul of wit

      true

  • ChuckS123

    Seems promising. On the other hand, some conservatives want to protect people from the badness of Obamacare. However, let at least government officials suffer from Obamacare.

  • Frank Kahn

    Hahaha, are still in grade school? That joke is older than my grandmother. I am not in denial about anything. It is a fact. Both Obama and Reid have said that they will not negotiate with the republicans. They have vowed to keep the government shut down until the House get on its knees and kiss their collective asses. That is the cause.

  • heroay

    I have the BEST SOLUTION of them all… Bring the Kenyan and all his acolytes to court on s-electing an illegal alien, passing despotic rules beyond the Constitution, having people killed in foreign lands with NO authority, and draining Americans’ pockets with hand outs to foreign banksters behind his subversive usurpation of government, and we will CLEAN this country and restore the Republic at the first BANG of a judge’s mallet. Obongo-care-not? Paper IS recyclable. Criminals are disposable.

    • JRR

      You left out funding and arming Muslims who want to kill us and take America down …

      • Murphy Louviere

        If you check down on this you are one of the unwashed, illiterate masses. Check the money he gave mercey in Egypt!!!! He is muslim brotherhood murdering scum!!! Read!! Read!! Don’t just listen to obummer’s lies!!!!

      • heroay

        Actually, Obongo would be funding the fake muslims created by the RAT-a-childs in London, and steered by the kosher pigs in tel aviv. For your knowledge, REAL Egyptians are NOT Muslims, despise the M.Bros., are backed by their military, and don’t give a damn for israHell and the chosenites.

        ‘Radical Islam’, like ALL the divisions of so-called Christianity (Churchianity), were a creation of these same parasite suckers, whose overlords are today in The City in London. Divide and Conquer. Like, THEIR creation of the ‘DemoCrap Party’ in the U.S., the Western equivalent of the ‘muslim brotherhood’.

  • heroay

    TYPICAL tel aviv latrine dweller! NO words, just droppings on the sofa,
    bulging pampers to make the quota, and a mouthful of cow dung! Dis-pose!

  • heroay

    Keep filling your expandable pamper, til you drown in your own fruit cake!

  • heroay

    keep talking your specialty, homo-zap. Then clean all the mess in your latrine floor.

  • heroay

    Monkee-do, monkee-repeat-until-drops-dead…. or, so he was trained at the latrine… ELSE, lose his wages of sin… Uh, mokee-doodo?? FLUSH!

  • heroay

    Mmmm… me thinks the ‘blower’ is a homo-zap pestilent latrine dweller trolling this site for 3 dollars an hour. PInko ratoid inbred homo-zap neanderthal

  • dan

    it just occured to me that if you’re taxed for SSI/Medicare AND you’re taxed for Obarrycare….

  • jerry1944

    What give in now when the debt ceiling is comeing up. This is the time to fight and if the gop cant fight then it time to find another party. Bonehead fainlly got the balls to fight and some are now wanting to turn and run I heard bonehead say about the same, He wouldn’t let the country default Well I think its obambos job to see that it don’t default and not raise the debt. But if bonehead caves now we are lost and they will attack T Cruz hard both partys I think NO NO don’t cave fight for our country not like they did in Nam . The libs lost that one because of the way they fought We must not lost are cave

  • DavidL

    You, and many writing on this site, continue to raise ignorance, prejudice, and phony patriotism to an art form. The Republican party, thanks to you conservatives, is dead. And the significance of the beating you are going to get in 2014 will be lost on you.

    • JRR

      Hey, folks! You’ve been wondering what kind of a monster could POSSIBLY approve of Obama’s selection of a czar who openly supports “aborting” children up to the age of two years? (Cass Sunstein) Or another czar who applauds Mao Tse Tung’s murder of between 70 and 80 million people?

      Well, now you’ve read one.

      • heroay

        What did i tell you somewhere else? “Sunstein” SHOUTS of ashkenazi dual-passport mole traitor, hand picked by NOT ‘muslim’, but dark ashkenazi illegal alien subversive for the ziotics in the DC Latrine.

    • Murphy Louviere

      obummercare is dead. No one is going to sign up that works!!! So who is going to pay for all the broke mutha’s that do???

    • heroay

      Mmmm…. Davy Crooked with a new tag? Wouldn’t be surprised, given his low points and rejected idiotic ‘comments’… Now, is “DavidL” by any chance DNA related to flunked disinfo troll “Dave-y Crooked”? Don’t bet your worn socks against. You’d lose them.

  • jdn

    Turn the people against Obama , not a chance . He has solidified his base beyond belief . There were those in the DNC that have always feared that Barack was not Black enough . Never again will you hear that , with the closing of public outdoor memorials some of which were built with private money and now threatening furloughed priests who dare to volunteer their services for weddings , communion , baptism , mass , last rights or funerals . He has achieved the title of the Blackest man in America , pimps , carjackers , drug dealers and gang bangers can’t hold a candle to him now . They will all bow to his supreme Blackness .

    • heroay

      Haven’t heard that Obongo’s poopa-larity among his former worshipers, is down to 37%? Nation wise should be lower. End is near for the beasts.

  • heroay

    Boy, that’s DUMB! DOT?? Speechless D-UMB! -o–(00)/*

  • heroay

    HAHA! Speechless already, brainless numb nut IQ-70 tel aviv latrine trollo? You are FIRED! Now, FLUSH!

  • heroay

    This thread is infested with DHS paid trollo nothings. Alondra is RIGHT. But they are getting nowhere falsifying information because… they are the dumbest, most ignorant trolls ever!

    It’s a CRIME to ROB American tax payers to hire these pariahs on the Net. And their NAMES are REGISTERED as hired trolls. The long-reach rope of Justice will find them! They can run, they they can’t HIDE.

    • JRR

      Any troll who thinks we can’t spot him/her in a nanosecond is an idiot.

      • Jeff

        A troll being anyone who disagrees with you?

        • heroay

          No, a troll is one who never mentions the leeching ‘unmentionable’, the wans who rigged the Towers and blew them; murdered JFK; imposed the FED and the Rapine Tax on Americans; plot, start and finance ALL wars around the globe, paid with Rapine Tax; wanted since 911 to start WW3 (failed, thanks to Putin) to rapine from the whole planet, install the, ahem…JWO (get it?), and genocide 95% of the pops, so they would cowardly emerge unscathed from their sewer holes and latrines as ‘gods on earth’ (of pestilence), or, Agenda 21. Check such trollo as “Bob666″ below, DHS registered stoolie, and his cheering troop. Got it, uh?

  • JRR

    Obama has so much money that he won’t care if he has to use Obamacare; the cost will be a drop in the bucket for him, Michelle and offspring. And they can go overseas to avoid the consequences of rationing. Since it wouldn’t affect him, he will veto any effort to stop his takedown of America AKA Obamacare.

    So we would have to have enough legislators to overcome his veto.

    And we might need legislators willing to do whatever should be done with an alleged president who simply ignores any law he doesn’t like.

  • ron

    Obamacare isn’t going away and your GOP are part of the problem…get rid of the repubs and elect all Tea Party candidates at every election in their place, when we get the Tea Party against the Dem’s we will kick their azzes and take this country back….oh yeah, and by the way, let’s all convert to muslim and we won’t have to sign up for Obamacare and like Obama himself we aren’t really muslim…i want to be Ahkmad Hussein Chikovski

    • JRR

      Let’s all pick our “muslim” names, to avoid O’Care. Chikovski is hilarious! I’ll be Arwah Undommed (muslimized version of “Arwen Undomiel” from the Lord of the Rings).

      Would he have a screaming fit if most of America simply excused themselves by doing this? He’d probably change the law to excuse only those born Muslim, or Muslim for at least ten years.

      • Murphy Louviere

        Great idea!!!

      • heroay

        Chikovski may be hilarious, but it is a POLAK ashkenazi surname… NOT Arabic. Don’t you know?

        And MOST comments referring to the gone ‘nazis’, and the alleged ‘terrorist’ Muslims (if real, they are paid stoolies of tel aviv), are made by ashkenazi trolls. Learn to read neanderthal ashkenazi surnames (Google), and try to count the number of these dual-loyalty traitors embedded in the Obongo clan. You will need a calculator to keep tabs of ‘these’ ‘chosenites’.

  • Guest

    I promise not to hold my breath waiting for Obama and Congress to beholden themselves to the rules they expect the rest of America to follow. “Do as I say, not as I do” is a good phrase that comes to mind. Unfortunately, I am pessimistic about this. For if the Republicans do not cave and give Obama what he wants, Obama will gladly destroy whatever is left of what used to make America great. If the Republicans give in to Obama, we will have to watch him gloat on national television-while talking via a teleprompter-about how he is always right. If Obama’s tactics during this shut down does not show Americans how much he hates America, and how vindictive and nasty he is, nothing will.

  • Kaiser

    What quality are you talking about? At my age, over 60, all of my doctors have told me they are going to retire. That means we are going to be seen by more PA’s or doctors from other countries.
    My point about slavery, segregation, and Japanese Internment, was in response to Obamas statement about it being constitutional because the Supremes said so. The Supremes said the topics I stated above were also constitutional. Bad law is still bad law. Since when can the government tell us what we can and can’t buy? Is that the kind of government you want to live in? Not me. We are now 17th in the world for personal freedom. We use to be number 2 under the evil Bush.