How The Corrupt Establishment Is Selling Moral Bankruptcy To America

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Morality is a highly misunderstood component of human nature. Some people believe they can create moral guidelines from thin air based on their personal biases and prejudices. Some people believe that morality comes from the force of bureaucracy and government law. Still, others believe that there is no such thing; that morality is a facade created by men in order to better grease the wheels of society.

All of these world views discount the powerful scientific and psychological evidence surrounding Natural Law — the laws that human beings form internally due to inherent conscience, regardless of environmental circumstances. When a person finally grasps inborn morality, the whole of the world comes into focus. The reality is that we are not born “good” or “evil.” Rather, we are all born with the capacity for good AND evil, and this internal battle stays with us until the end of our days.

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Every waking moment we are given a choice, a test of our free will, to be ruled by desire and fear, or to do what we know at our very core is right. When a man silences his inner voice, the results can be terrible for him and those around him. When an entire culture silences its inner voice, the results can be catastrophic. Such a shift in the moral compass of a society rarely takes place in a vacuum. There is always a false shepherd, a corrupt leadership that seeks to rule. Rulership, though, is difficult in the face of an awake population that respects integrity and honor. Therefore criminals must follow these specific steps in order to take power:

Pretend To Be Righteous: They must first sell the public on the idea that they hold the exact same values of natural law as everyone else. The public must at first believe that the criminal leaders are pure in their motives and have the best interests of the nation at heart, even if they secretly do not.

Pretend To Be Patriotic: Despots often proclaim an untarnished love of their homeland and the values that it was founded upon. However, what they really seek is to become a living symbol of the homeland. They insist first that they are the embodiment of the national legacy, and then they attempt to change that national legacy entirely. A corrupt government uses the ideals of a society to acquire a foothold, and when they have gained sufficient control, they dictate to that society a new set of ideals that are totally contrary to the original.

Offer To “Fix” The Economy: Tyrants do not like it when the citizens under them are self sufficient or economically independent. They will use whatever methods are at their disposal including subversive legislation, fiat currency creation, corporate monopoly and even engineered financial collapse in order to remove the public’s ability to function autonomously. They will begin this process under the guise that the current less-controlled and less-centralized system is “not safe enough,” and that they have a better way to ensure prosperity.

Offer To Lend A Hand: Once the population has been removed from its own survival imperative and is for the most part helpless, the criminal leadership moves in and offers to “help” using taxation and money creation, slowly siphoning the wealth from the middle class and raising prices through inflation. Eventually, everyone will be “equal”; equally poor that is. In the end, the whole nation will see the rulership as indispensable, for without them, the economy would no longer exist and tragedy would ensue.

Create External Fear: Once in place, the criminal leadership then conjures an enemy for the people, or multiple enemies for the people. The goal here is to create a catalyst for mass fear. When the majority of people are afraid of an external threat, they will embrace the establishment as a vital safeguard. When a society becomes convinced that it cannot take care of itself economically, little coaxing is required to convince them that they are also not competent enough to take care of their own defense. At this point, the establishment has free reign to dissolve long cherished freedoms while the masses are distracted by a mysterious threat hiding somewhere over the horizon.

Create Internal Fear: They move the threat from over the horizon, right to the public’s front door, or even within their own home. The enemy is no longer a foreigner. Now, the enemy is the average looking guy two houses over, or an outspoken friend, or even a dissenting family member. The enemy is all around them, according to the establishment. The public is sold on the idea that the sacrifice needed in order to combat such a pervasive “threat” is necessarily high.

Sell The People On The Virtues Of Moral Relativism: Now that the populace is willing to forgo certain liberties for the sake of security, they have been softened up enough for reprogramming to begin. The establishment will tell the people that the principles they used to hold so dear are actually weaknesses that make them vulnerable to the enemy. In order to defeat an enemy so monstrous, they claim, we must become monstrous ourselves. We must be willing to do ANYTHING, no matter how vile or contrary to natural law, in order to win.

Honesty must be replaced with deceit. Dissent must be replaced with silence. Peace must be replaced with violence. The independent should be treated with suspicion. The outspoken treated with contempt. Women and children are no longer people to be protected, but targets to be eliminated. The innocent dead become collateral damage. The innocent living become informants to be tortured and exploited. Good men are labeled cowards because they refuse to “do what needs to be done,” while evil men are labeled heroes for having the “strength of will” to abandon their conscience.

Thus, the criminal leadership makes once honorable citizens accomplices in the crime. The more disgusting the crime, the more apt the people will be to defend it and the system in general, simply because they have been inducted into the dark ceremony of moral ambiguity.

The actions of the state become the actions of all society. A single minded collectivist culture is born, one in which every person is a small piece of the greater machine. And, that which the machine is guilty of, every man is guilty of. Therefore, it becomes the ultimate and absurd purpose of each person within the system to DENY the crime, deny the guilt, and make certain that the machine continues to function for generations to come.

Though we have already passed though most of the above stages, Americans are still not yet quite indoctrinated into the realm of moral relativism. This is, though, swiftly changing.

The Current Sales Pitch

Just take a look at the attitude of the Barack Obama Administration and the mainstream media towards Edward Snowden and his recent asylum approved by Russia.

The White House, rather than admitting wrongdoing in its support for the NSA’s mass surveillance of American citizens without warrant, or even attempting to deny the existence of the PRISM program, is now instead trying to promote NSA spying as essential to our well being, and wag a shaming finger at Snowden and the Russian government for damaging their domestic spy network. Obama lamented on Russia’s stance, stating that their thinking is “backwards.”

Did I miss something here? I’m no fan of the Russian oligarchy, but shouldn’t Obama and most of the NSA (let alone every other Federal alphabet agency) be sitting in a dark hole somewhere awaiting trial for violating the Constitution on almost every level? Yet, we are instead supposed to despise Snowden for exposing the crime they committed and distrust any country that happens to give him shelter?

Due to public outcry, Obama has attempted to pacify critics by announcing plans to make NSA mass surveillance “more transparent”. First, I would like to point out that he did not offer to end NSA spying on Americans without warrant, which is what a President with any ounce of integrity would have done. Second, Obama’s calls for more transparency have come at the exact same time as the NSA announces its plans to remove 90 percent of its systems administrators to make sure another “Snowden incident” does not occur.

Does this sound like an agency that plans on becoming “more transparent”?

Second, would Obama have called for ANY transparency over the NSA whatsoever if Snowden had never come forward? Of course not! The exposure of the crime has led to lies and empty placation, nothing more.

In the meantime, numerous other political miscreants have hit the media trail, campaigning for the NSA as well as other surveillance methods, bellowing to the rafters over the absolute necessity of domestic spy programs. Fifteen years ago, the government would have tried to sweep all of this under the rug. Today, they want to acclimate us to the inevitability of the crime, stating that we had better get used to it.

Their position? That Snowden’s whistleblowing put America at risk. My questions is, how? How did Snowden’s exposure of an unConstitutional and at bottom illegal surveillance program used against hundreds of millions of innocent Americans do our country harm? Is it the position of the White House that the truth is dangerous, and deceit is safety?

I suspect this is the case considering the recent treatment of military whistleblower Bradley Manning, who has been accused by some to have “aided Al Qaeda’s recruiting efforts” through his actions.

How did Manning do this? By releasing information, including battlefield videos, that were hidden from the public containing proof of U.S. war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Perhaps I’m just a traditionalist and not hip to modern diplomatic strategy, but I would think that if you don’t want to be blamed for war crimes, then you probably shouldn’t commit war crimes. And, if you don’t want the enemy to gain new recruits, you should probably avoid killing innocent civilians and pissing off their families. Just a thought.

So, just to keep track, U.S. government commits war crimes, but is the good guy. Bradley Manning exposes war crimes, and is the bad guy. Moral relativism at its finest. Moving on…

The shift towards moral bankruptcy is being implemented in the financial world as well. Investors, hedge funds, and major banks now surge into the stock market every time the private Federal Reserve hints that it may continue fiat stimulus. When bad news hits the mainstream feeds, people playing the Dow casino actually cheer with glee, exactly because bad economic news means more QE from the Fed. They know that the Fed is artificially propping up the markets. The Fed openly admits that it does this. And they know that our fiscal system is hanging by a thin thread. And you know what, very few of them care.

The Fed created the collapse with easy money and manipulated interest rates, and now, some people cheer them as the heroes of the U.S. financial structure.

The American narrative is quickly changing. There has long been criminality and degeneracy within our government and the corporate cartels surrounding it, but I believe what we are witnessing today is the final step in the metamorphosis that is totalitarianism. The last stage accelerates when the average citizen is not just complicit in the deeds of devils, but when he becomes a devil himself. When Americans froth and stomp in excitement for the carnival of death, and treat the truth as poison, then the transformation will be complete.

 

-Brandon Smith

Personal Liberty

Brandon Smith

is the founder of the Alternative Market Project, an organization designed to help you find like-minded activists and preppers in your local area so that you can network and construct communities for barter and mutual aid. Join Alt-Market.com today and learn what it means to step away from the unstable mainstream system and build something better. You can contact Brandon Smith at: brandon@alt-market.com

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  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can exist until
    the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public
    treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising them the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a DEMOCRACY ALWAYS COLLAPSES over loose fiscal policy….

    The world’s great civilizations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependence back again into bondage.” – Alexander Tyler, Scottish advocate, judge and historian (1770)

    Do not you recognize in what point of the cycle we are now?

    “While man is being instigated by the love of power—a passion visible in an infant, and common to us even with the inferior animals—he will seek PERSONAL SUPERIORITY in preference to every matter of a general concern.” – Alexander Tyler

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Well said Alondra. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. We all know that this will probably get worse before it gets better. If you read the Book of Revelation, you will see that what is happening in our country and around the world, is hand in hand with Revelation. We need to get this country back to God, Jesus, Christianity, our Christian founding, and we need to get rid of the self destructive welfare state, libturdism, progturdism, and secularism. All these things are what is needed to get our country back to the status we once held. We also need to get back to the ideals of American exceptionalism. The belief that our country is great, due to the blessings that God has bestowed on us. Here are some articles about the monstrocity Obama bin Laden Care.
      http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/12065/rats-fleeing-as-obamacare-ship-sinks/
      http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/12075/obamacare-1-pay-raise-cost-middle-class-family-9355-in-premiums/
      http://www.lastresistance.com/2998/obamacare-is-collapsing-we-have-the-power-to-destroy-it/
      Here is an article showing the libturd/progturd controll of the MSM.
      http://www.lastresistance.com/2987/liberals-dominate-media-what-youre-not-aware-of/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “Yea, a man, may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.”
      James 2:18

    • Vis Fac

      Our democracy existed for 213 years because we mostly played by the rules. When political parties circumvent the rules (our constitution) the game changes and we no longer have a valid contest (government).
      We have had an invalid government for decades and we as a people have done nothing about it. Some have tried in vain to address this problem while others drank Kool Aid and believed the lies and took what was offered .

      We have come upon our day of reckoning, one of our making. Those who realized this day was coming prepared others will suffer some more than others.

      A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting
      the vote!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        We were established as a Constitutional Republic, Force. And that lasted in fact (rather than theory) for only about 70 years.

        • Vis Fac

          I am quite aware of the basis we were founded on. As a nation we were doing a fair job retaining this republic. rule of law was not compromised until the early 70’s when the “progressive movement” came into vogue. Since then we have been on the fast track to self destruction. Power and greed replaced morality apathy and indolence replaced responsibility and the liberals shunned God. “What ever we once were we are no longer a Christian nation” – Barack Hussein Obama

          The ruination of American will be the liberal legacy. One to be proud of for sure may we rest in peace and taxed while doing so.

          A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The Progressive Era actually started in the late 1800s:
            http://mises.org/daily/1259

          • Vis Fac

            Started yes, gained some momentum in the late 70’s and full momentum at the Millennium. I wasn’t born yesterday and you only need to be the least bit observant to realize what is happening today more people have embraced liberal one dimensional idiot-ology than in all the previous decades prior because they are either indolent lethargic or apathetic. Which ever it is has caused the erosion of morality and the down fall of this once proud nation I have to ask are you related to KG?
            A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Force says — “are you related to KG?”.
            No, are you?

          • Vis Fac

            If you follow my posts you would know the answer. You on the other hand have an eerie similarity both of you suffer from cerebral necrosis.

            A democracy can best be described as two wolves
            and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Wow, and to think I thought you were an okay guy.
            Now, I know you are just a typical ignoramus of the variety who too frequently haunts this board.

          • Vis Fac

            I am an OK guy at least to many who know me and how I am as a person and a professional. Those I help out at the VA also think I am an OK guy, as well as those at several community centers I give to.
            Anyone who is in disagreement with you is apparently not an OK guy go figure!

            A democracy can best be described as two wolves
            and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting
            the vote!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • KG

            Thats OK. TheOriginalDaveH hates everybody equally. I kinda respect him on that. At least he seems to be honest in his absolute misanthropy.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re the one who started the name-calling, Force. Or are you just getting senile?

          • Vis Fac

            Heavens to Betsy I must be getting senile for I thought I was talking to KG. I usually don’t go off on a tangent until I am assailed. As I don’t recall I will offer an apology.
            I am quite passionate in my beliefs and worked hard to safeguard all that I have. I don’t ascribe to any major political party but registered as an Independent and consider myself a Constitutionalist favoring the Tea Party Movement.
            I sometimes become to passionate when I feel my/our rights infringed upon and I tend to over react and need to take step or two back and take a few breaths and relax

            A democracy can best be described as two wolves
            and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting
            the vote!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • vicki

            One thing I am curious about. Why do you say that the United States of America is a democracy when it was clearly established as a Constitutionally LIMITED Republic?.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

            Even now the Constitution sets limits on what powers we can delegate to the government so the Republic is still there. On parchment. We certainly agree that recent government agents have routinely ignored the limitations but the law (unenforced) is still there.

          • Vis Fac

            Vicki. I didn’t say the United States is a democracy I know it is a republic. However in order for a republic to function it needs a democratic system for its operation. majority rule affair EXCEPT when rule of law comes into play. That Rule of Law is OUR Constitution and The Bill of Rights

            Politicians being politicians are greedy and power hungry so to gain an advantage politicians have been known to adapt morph or sidestep the Rule of Law. With out mentioning any names we all know that the Rule of Law has been usurped and some have attempted nullification

            I most certainly feel my rights being assaulted. Look at the police state we have today we have constitutional rights that guarantee we have privacy we needn’t fear unlawful search and seizure and can say read what we wish or assemble without fear of being assaulted by the state police I feel the erosion of the most important amendment of all; our means to defend ourselves from tyranny are being assaulted on a daily basis and from only one party.

            If the present trend continues we will no longer be a republic but a socialist police state and democracy will cease to exist. Winner takes all.

            A democracy can best be described as two wolves
            and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

        • 5live5

          I was looking to see if someone would correct that idea!!!

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    If moral collapses in the society, the nation disappears:
    The Persian Empire
    The Egyptian Empire
    The Macedonian Empire
    The Roman Empire

    What MORALTY is? Morality is a Code of Conduct in matters of RIGHT (NATURAL) and WRONG (UNNATURAL).

    Everyone has a sense of right and wrong.
    Everyone knows that murder, lying, stealing, and sexual depravity are universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from if not from a holy God? “If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.” – Voltaire

    Well, for atheists it comes from the Natural Law.

    Morality NEVER was self-sustainable. It People’s behavior upholds and carries MORAL VALUES.

    What is Natural Moral Law? It’s when the Nature has a meaning/sense/logic. The same sex marriage does not have meaning. The Nature Law defines marriage as ONE Man and ONE Woman. The same sex sex is unnatural, abnormal and unhealthy by Nature.

    Kant defines the demands of the MORAL LAW as “categorical imperatives”. They “are good in and of themselves; they must be obeyed in all, and by all, situations and circumstances if our behavior is to observe the moral law.”

    Moral values determine ETHICS.
    And what Moral Values and Ethics of the Kenyan Illegal pRESIDENT and his “wife” are, we know.

    • Frank Zappa

      Certainly a well read Woman, I made an observation under the pseudonym AKA “Frank Zappa,” WE are in total harmony and you have made some very excellent comments. The Greek Empire, was certainly another culture that went down in flames. They seemed to have a proclivity for little boys if I recall my history correctly. The sad fact is that WE here in America WILL NOT repent AND a SWORD has NOW been placed in the land called America, and we WILL reap the Whirlwind of Death and Destruction. At this point in time MOST are bumping along and thinking about the next “Ball Game” when they should be recoiling in fear for what is about to happen here in this country. FOR OTHERS THAT READ THIS “I AM NOT JOKING.”

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Frank, for the Almighty God is NOTHING imposible.

        Do you remember Phoenix rose from the ashes to begin a new life? He became a SYMBOL OF RESTORATION (reborn) and hope after disasters and tragedies.

        It’s in the People’s hands with God’s guidance.

        “If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and WILL FORGIVE THEIR SIN AND HEAL THEIR LAND. Now My eyes will be open and My ears attentive to PRAYER MADE IN THIS PLACE. (2 Chronicles 7:14-15)

        “Seek the LORD while He may be found, Call upon Him while He is near. Let the wicked forsake his way, And the unrighteous man his thoughts; Let him return to the LORD, And He will have mercy on him; And to our God, For He will abundantly PARDON.” (Is. 55:6)

        “The Lord is with you while you are with Him. If you seek Him, He will be found by you; but if you forsake Him, He will forsake you.” (2 Chronicles 15:2)

        P.S. The Pessimism NEVER wins.

        • KG

          Nazism

          Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
          — 1 Samuel 15:3

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Again OUT OF THE CONTEXT.

            KG, everyone knows that you are masturbating CONTEXTOMY

    • Vigilant

      “Well, for atheists [morality] comes from the Natural Law.”

      And for theists as well.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        What is “natural Law”? It’s a LAW OF NATURE.

        For theists God is the Creator of ALL “Nature”.

        “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Genesis 1)

        “ALL things were made BY Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made.” (John 1:3)

        “For FROM Him and THROUGH Him and for Him are ALL THINGS. To Him be the glory forever! Amen.” (Rom.11:36)

        God is Creator and the source of life.
        “And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.” (Col. 1:17)

        The “nature” is regulated by the God’s Law aka Law of Nature. God is a Lawgiver.

        “For the Lord is our Judge, the Lord is our Lawgiver, the Lord is our King” (Isaiah 33:22)

        “There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy.”
        (James 4:12)

        God is “the same yesterday, today and FOREVER.” (Heb.13:8)
        He NEVER changes.

        “We may ignore, but we can nowhere evade the presence of God. The world is crowded with Him. He walks everywhere incognito.” – C.S. Lewis

        “Seek the LORD while He may be found; Call upon Him while He is near.” (Is. 55:6)

        • Vigilant

          “What is “natural Law”? It’s a LAW OF NATURE…For theists God is the Creator of ALL “Nature”.

          Agreed. Doesn’t change the statement one iota that “for theists, morality comes from the Natural Law.”

          We were never in disagreement, Alondra.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            I am ALMOST always agree with you.

          • Vigilant

            And for that I give you an up arrow (:-)

    • vicki

      There is a simple paragraph that can reset the moral compass of all that have been led astray by the “progressives” moral relativism.

      First Principle:

      Your Creator gave you 2 gifts. Life and Free Will. How you use those gifts and how you honor them in others is how you shall be judged.

      There are many variations including the famous

      “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”

      “…Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,”

      The principle of non-aggression.
      http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Principle_of_non-aggression

      • 5live5

        There’s a lot of progressives that are going to be judged HARSHLY!!

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Russian President Vladimir Putin during his press conference in Finland said:

    Translation: And concerning the ban on propaganda of homosexuality… It’s NOT about having sanctions or punishments for the practice of homosexuality or for similar… for similar…well you know for what…(He ment Zoo-pholia and other philias) (others laughing)

    It’s about SECURING OUR CHILDREN FROM this specific “information” –
    PROPAGANDA OF HOMOSEXUALITY In some countries, also in some European states, like here Finland, restrictions on the propaganda of homosexuality is considered as unnecessary.

    Well, DO AS YOU WISH and avoid protecting your children on this issue. We don’t want to interfere in your matters. But WE WILL PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM THIS PROPAGANDA, like our members of parliament and our People have decided. WE ASK YOU DO NOT INTRUDE in our legislation too.

    • WTS/JAY

      Obama and his leftists baboons have strongly criticized Putin’s views on homosexuality, and in particular, the unanimous adoption by the Russian-parlament of two civil rights laws, (436-0), which make the practice of homosexual relationships, the defense of these relationships, and the dissemination of gay “propaganda” all punishable offenses. This, as you can well imagine, has left the LGBT community, stunned, not to mention, livid! As a response to this legislation, the LGBT community have called for a “boycott” of the olympic games in Russia, and that the games should be held elsewhere, in a more tolerant and gay-friendly country. After much deliberation as to a more suitable place where the Olympics could be held, and where gays and lesbians would be warmly welcomed and publicly-affirmed, i e:mailed the LGTB and suggested that perhaps they should consider an Islamic, muslim-country, such as Syria, or Iran, or any other Islamic, muslim-country where the homosexual-lifestyle is not only praised and encourage, but publicly-rewarded! http://www.barenakedislam.com/2009/06/29/why-dont-homosexualsliberals-in-america-have-a-problem-with-islam/

      But seriously, and all joking aside…

      Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi of the ISNA said: “Homosexuality is a moral disorder. It is a moral disease, a sin and corruption… No person is born homosexual, just like no one is born a thief, a liar or murderer. People acquire these evil habits due to a lack of proper guidance and education.””

      “There are many reasons why it is forbidden in Islam. Homosexuality is dangerous for the health of the individuals and for the society. It is a main cause of one of the most harmful and fatal diseases. It is disgraceful for both men and women. It degrades a person. Islam teaches that men should be men and women should be women. Homosexuality deprives a man of his manhood and a woman of her womanhood. It is the most un-natural way of life. Homosexuality leads to the destruction of family life.”

      I don’t know if many people know about this, but on the Internet, there are some pages about Muslims who are homosexuals. It is one issue to be Muslim and a homosexual, and another to try to justify this choice by Allah’s (The Exalted) book, the Quran, and the word’s of the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace).

      The first point to make clear is that as Muslims, we accept Allah (The Exalted) and His Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) as the authority and final word on what is right and wrong. This is in important point to be grasped. Otherwise, there is little use in discussing the issue. This is exactly where the people who try to justify homosexuality, and other practices and beliefs, from the Quran go wrong. The point of this post is to make clear the position of Islam on homosexuality so that there will be no doubts about it.

      Now concerning the evidence, we follow the methodology laid out by the Muslim scholars. In general, that is to see what the Quran says about an issue, then the Hadith, and then the consensus of the scholars, and the analogy can be made. The evidence concerning the unlawfulness of homosexuality is as follows:

      SODOMY AND LESBIANISM

      In more than one place in the Holy Koran, Allah recounts to us the story of Lot’s people, and how He destroyed them for their wicked practice. There is consensus among both Muslims and the followers of all other religions that sodomy is an enormity. It is even viler and uglier than adultery.

      Allah Most High says: “Do you approach the males of humanity, leaving the wives that Allah has created for you? But you are a people who transgress” Koran (26:165-66)

      (1) The Prophet (saws) said: (1) “Kill the one who sodomizes and the one who lets if be done to him.” (Tirmidhi, a sahih (authentic) hadith)

      (2) “May Allah curse him who does that Lot’s people did.” (Ibn Hibban, sahih (authentic))

      (3) “Lesbianism by women is adultery between them.” (Tabarani, sahih)”

      Taken from the Reliance of the Traveller, transltaed by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, p 664-665.

      There are a lot more Hadiths on the issue, and the issue of what is to be done with one who commits sodomy or lesbianism. I will not deal with these now in this post. All I wanted to do was to show that the position of Islam on this issue is that it is an enormity (kaba’ir), and therefore, forbidden, (haram). May Allah (The Exalted) protect us.

      Al-Fatiha estimates that 4,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since their revolution in 1979. 10 public executions of homosexuals have been performed in Afghanistan by the Taliban army. http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/homosexuality.htm

      Yet, there is no outrage from Obama or the LGTB community on Islam’s intolerance and persecution of gays. Why????

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Maybe because there is not any intolerance or persecution or what little there is for show to the west that Islamist countries are not unlike the west.

      • KG

        Let’s see what the christian Bible has to say:

        So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father [after they got him drunk and seduced him].
        — Genesis 19:36

        And if [God] rescued Lot, a righteous(!) man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men, for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard.
        — 2 Peter 2:7-8

        There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
        — Ezekiel 23:20

        And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul … Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.
        — 1 Samuel 18:1, 3-4, KJV

        I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women.
        — 2 Samuel 1:26

        So…..what were you saying about Islam?

        • WTS/JAY

          KG: So…..what were you saying about Islam?

          That Obama and his hordes of kool-aid drinking Hyenas say not a word, nary a criticism, regarding the atrocities committed against gays and women in Islamic-countries, choosing instead to fund them generously and provide them all the necessary protection to ensure they continue with the same. So why then, criticize Russia, who has yet to hang a homosexual, or has yet to deprive one of his head?

          • KG

            What would Machiavelli do?

          • WTS/JAY

            He would consider you too stupid to live, and probably hang you…?

        • 5live5

          KG, you have a great deal of bible knowledge in your head but none in your heart!! come judgment day THAT will do you no good what so ever. to you, all your knowledge is just so many words. to a believer the word is LIFE!! I feel sorry for you!

    • Karolyn

      Hail to Putin! Alondra’s hero.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        WOW, Libtard PSYCHOPATH, who preaches “love” and “unity” is furious and full of odium.

        Dismal pervert creature, I am a PROUD American. I am at home. So do not tell me where I have to go. First I’ll see you marching to hell.

        “A DUNCE has no delight in understanding, but in expressing her own heart.” – King Solomon (Proverbs 18:2)

      • WTS/JAY

        Hail to Obama! Karolyn’s hero.

  • Manchurian Candidate

    You better believe that the sociopathic oligarchs (the global 1 percent) and their stooges (politicians and bureaucrats) know exactly how they are orchestrating the american people away from their value systems. They, the one percenters et. al., have been funding the behaviorist psychiatric community for years to study outcomes. They know full well that if you do A, B will result. This is how america is being conducted and transmuted into Bush’s New World Order. As long as people do not rationally assess input and understand the inputs impact on the mind and outcomes, they will forever be led emotionally by their instincts and desires to their detriment. And, they will suck the rest of us along as well. So, on that note, I’m going to run out and buy a new car. A $65, 000.00 car. Because, after all, we are what we drive. 8 percent loan, $20, 000.00 in depreciation the first year, loss of interest on my initial $65, 0000.00……..boy I’m a genius. But you what they say: “You are what you drive.” Ans, I get to impress all kinds of strangers. Duy!

  • David Stovall

    “When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.” Benjamin Franklin

  • KG

    Mr. Smith, in the words of the Gipper “well, there you go again!.” I know how much you hate ‘government’ and anything that comes close to being an American citizen since you seem to relish the thought of Americas demise. Not to rise from the ashes as a stronger Nation, but to be destroyed and remade into some kind of Rothbard/VonMisies/Pinochet libertatian paradise where it’s people like YOU who ‘call the shots’. When ever somebody complains about the sad state of morality I always ask “Whose morality?” Even the Ancient Romans had a term for it : O tempora! O mores! translated as: Oh, the times! Oh, the customs! Even Aristotle complained about the youth of his day and that civilization would not last another Generation. And here we are in a country founded on the ideals of 2000 years since Aristotles world. You are laying blame on the very thing you think will save us – Natural Law. Any system breaks down over time unless it is injected with energy that is directed in an orderly way. However, after the shock of 9/11, this energy, rather than directed towards humane and beneficial aims, was used in an attempt to hedge the worlds energy reserves in favor of the evil Capitalists. Rather than helping our fellow Muslim brothers, we instead of bread, we gave them a serpent. What kind of ‘morality’ is that?

    • Frank Zappa

      KG;
      YOU are a SLUT, Period end of story, a whore by trade.

    • Vigilant

      “…you seem to relish the thought of Americas demise.”

      “You are laying blame on the very thing you think will save us – Natural Law.”

      KG the communist propagandist is so accustomed to saying up is down, and black is white that even his meager “intelligence” causes him to interpret Brandon Smith’s words to mean precisely the opposite of what was asserted.

      • WTS/JAY

        Vigilant: KG the communist propagandist…

        Communist propagandist? KG? I think not! I think KG is a greedy-capitalist.

        Here, from the horse’s mouth:

        KG 20 hours ago:

        “You are mistaken in your analysis of the Federal Reserve system. It is neither private or public. It is a governmental agency authorized by the 16th amendment to be the sole arbiter of money in America. It has this ‘monopoly’ power (I know, a bad term ;) due to the fact of Americas terrible history concerning money and banking in it’s history. What we call ‘recessions’ were nothing compared to the ‘panics’ of the 1800’s. Imagine 2008 happening every few years. That’s what prompted the bankers like JP Morgan, Stanley Chase, as well as the steel tycoon Carnegie to create the Fed so as to stop this constant cycle of failure Capitalism would go through every few years”.

        • Vigilant

          KG also, and as always, displays his ignorance of the Constitution when he says, “[the Federal Reserve] is a governmental agency authorized by the 16th amendment to be the sole arbiter of money in America.”

          The 16th Amendment says, “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”

          KG must be reading the communist constitution.

    • Frank Kahn

      Forrest Gump said stupid is as stupid does. Others have said you cant cure stupid. But is it stupid to be lost to pure evil? KG, ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.

      You are a prime example of someone who has decided to ignore his moral compass. You are, no longer capable of determining right from wrong, truth from lie. You see things in such a twisted state that you make absurd claims about everyone else’s ideas.

      “Mr. Smith, in the words of the Gipper “well, there you go again!.” I
      know how much you hate ‘government’ and anything that comes close to being an American citizen ”

      An American citizen? I presume that you have some insane definition of what an American Citizen is? Assuming that you were born here, and have not renounced your citizenship, you are an American citizen. But then, so are all the Canadians, Mexican, Bolivians, Chileans and a whole bunch of other nationalities. But they are not United States citizens. Now that we have cleared that up, lets get to your stupid? claim that he hates anything that comes close to being one. Hating evil, in any form, is hating evil. It does not matter if you are a U.S. citizen or not. If you are evil, you deserve to be despised. So, even though you are a citizen, we hate you. Hating the extremes of a government out of control, is not hating the government, just hating its abuse of power. You will never understand this because you are EVIL.

      “since you seem to relish the thought of Americas demise. ”

      More stupid, EVIL, nonsense. If you are riding a motorcycle, at 200 MPH, directly at a brick wall, and I say you are going to kill yourself, it does not mean I want you to die. If you were not EVIL, you would understand the difference between warning about a problem and hoping for the worst.

      “Not to rise from the ashes as a stronger Nation, but to be destroyed and remade into some kind of Rothbard/VonMisies/Pinochet libertatian paradise where it’s people like YOU who ‘call the shots’. ”

      So, we now know that you HATE Rothbard, VonMises, Pinochet and libertarians. Almost the same way that your EVIL mind hates Mr. Smith. And, because you have an EVIL twisted OPINION about these things, you pretend to know that Mr. Smith is looking for totalitarian rule over us.

      “When ever somebody complains about the sad state of morality I always ask “Whose morality?” ”

      Answer: Normal human morals. It is impossible for you to understand the concept, because you are EVIL, and therefor have no morals. If you even pretended to read, and understand, the concept of natural law, you would not sound like such a stupid ignoramus.

      “Even the Ancient Romans had a term for it : O tempora! O mores! translated as: Oh, the times! Oh, the customs! Even Aristotle complained about the youth of his day and that civilization would not last another Generation. ”

      If you check history, you will find that civilizations always fall, when the morals embraced are lost. It does not mean that everyone dies, just the cohesiveness of the civilization is lost. Rome was a great civilization, until they lost their moral compasses, then it fell.

      “And here we are in a country founded on the ideals of 2000 years since Aristotles world. ”

      This sentence is so twisted, that it has no meaning. It is not possible to determine what you think you are saying.

      “You are laying blame on the very thing you think will save us – Natural Law. ”

      This sentence is marginally better than the last one, so it gets to the level of WTF are you babbling about. There is no way to claim that he is blaming natural law for the problems. It is just your EVIL mind that seems to think that natural laws are bad.

      “Any system breaks down over time unless it is injected with energy that is directed in an orderly way. ”

      What? An attempt at positing the entropy theory? Are you trying to say that destroying the moral fiber of the nation is injecting energy into the system?

      “However, after the shock of 9/11, this energy, rather than directed towards humane and beneficial aims, was used in an attempt to hedge the worlds energy reserves in favor of the evil Capitalists.”

      Of course, if you hate VonMIses you must hate capitalism, so no surprise here. However, it is stupid diversionary statements to take us off the target of what is being discussed. We were attacked by Islamic terrorists, and you want us to build parks and zoos for them? Or, should we have said, oh, these poor terrorists, they just need some love and compassion, lets give them a hug so they don’t kill us again.

      “Rather than helping our fellow Muslim brothers, ”

      I do not follow the ideological stance of certain churches that we should call each other brother and sister so I don’t have any Muslim brothers. Those EVIL BROTHERS of YOURS killed our citizens, rape and murder Christians, treat their women and children as slaves. You love them for what they are?

      “we instead of bread, we gave them a serpent. ”

      Listen, you cretinous piece of crap, don’t you dare to try and quote the Bible, to twist this in your favor. They committed moral sins against us, we have no duty to feed them. We have no, Christian, commandment to help them in any way. We did not give them a serpent, we destroyed their nasty worthless butts. You can condemn us for this after 10 Muslims come into your home, rape you wife and children and then burn them alive. If you turn around and cook them a nice barbecue meal, then you can say something. But, if you get properly enraged and kill them all, then we will know you are finally turning from your EVIL ways.

      “What kind of ‘morality’ is that?”

      It is not morality, it is justice, you need to get right with the world before you can understand it.

      Just so you know, I don’t consider all Muslims to be EVIL per say. But, I am currently working hard at extracting a good friend of mine from a Muslim country. She made the stupid decision to marry a Muslim man. Now she wants to convert back to Christian and get a divorce, so she can return home. But, he refuses her right to do the Talaq, and has had her passport confiscated. She is now in custody of the sharia court because she refuses to return to his home. She is probably lucky she is still alive.

      • village idiot

        I share your opinions entirely but please understand that KG is in need of help. He seems seriously out of touch with either history or the present.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          KGB is likely a Shill. Maybe even one of the Flashman Shill personalities.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          This is his job description: dismiss FACTS, falsify “facts”,
          twist and distort Scripture and History and cheat everywhere you can.

      • KG

        ROTFLMAO! AFK! BRB! LOL!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Okay, here’s your chance, KGB, to explain to us what is moral in your Commie world?
      I’m still waiting, KGB.

      • KG

        Matthew 7:11-12

        King James Version (KJV)

        11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

        12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          As expected — a non-answer.

          • KG

            But you are your own paragon on morality, right? So, in essence that makes YOU G-d, right?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            How is TODH being a model of excellence or perfection in morality make him a paragon (model) on morality?
            You just write without doing any thinking. Go check the definition of model.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            How is TODH being a model of excellence or perfection in morality make him a paragon (model) on morality?
            You just write without doing any thinking. Go check the definition of model.

          • KG

            Nads, you are sooooooo cute! ;P

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I want to know, KGB, what are your moral codes? You know, things like “Do you believe that theft is okay?”, etc.
            Is that too tough a question for you?

          • KG

            quote: “Do you believe that theft is okay?”

            It seems as though you went to the “How many dead hookers can I have in my car and not get pulled over” school of law.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            KG, How many hookers did you have in your car?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Still no answer. Why doesn’t that surprise me?
            And that is why you Socialist Progressives have no credibility on this board, KGB.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Why are you citing out of the context?

          Keep ASKING, SEEKING, KNOCKING
          Matthew 7:7-12 (NKJV)
          “7 Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him
          who knocks it will be opened. 9 Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him! 12 Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.”

          “5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ASK of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. 6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8 he is a DOUBLE-MINDED MAN, UNSTABLE IN ALL HIS WAYS.” (James 1:5-8)

          “YOU ASK AND DO NOT RECEIVE, because YOU ASK AMISS, that you may spend it on your pleasures.4 Adulterers and[b] adulteresses! Do you not know that FRIENDSHIP WITH THE WORLD IS ENMITY WITH God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an ENEMY OF God. 5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, ‘The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously’?” (James 4:3-5)

          “6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: ‘God
          resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.’ 7 Therefore SUBMIT to God. RESIST the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and PURIFY YOUR HEARTS, you double-minded.”
          (James 4:6-8)

          • KG

            John 20:24-31

            King James Version (KJV)

            24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

            25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

            26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

            27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

            28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

            29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

            30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

            31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            KG, this is much better. Just REPENT.

          • KG

            Repent of what? My pursuit of truth? Or my revelation of YOUR falsehood? Just wondering.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Well, continue with your “revelations.”

    • Charlie

      KG,,, Give us some “”Scriptures””” ,,, any heathen can point at other “Things” and / or events as being “”The Problem””,,, BUT,,, UNTIL one can harmonize Scriptures into “A Solution” to solve A Problem ,,then they are just debating on ego tripping… What’s MY problem KG ? can you solve it???????????????????????//

      • KG

        Luke 18:18-27

        King James Version (KJV)

        18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

        19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

        20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

        21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

        22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

        23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.

        24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

        25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle’s eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

        26 And they that heard it said, Who then can be saved?

        27 And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

        • Vigilant

          Beware of atheists quoting scripture.

          • KG

            Beware of Republicans bearing economic proposals.

          • Vigilant

            Or communists offering ANYTHING as a solution.

          • KG

            AFK BRB LOL!

          • Vigilant

            …or KG speaking in tongues.

          • Stuart Shepherd

            Really, my brother Vigilant, not only is “atheism” just an excuse to not have a conscience about doing evil (Romans 1;20), but since they’re utter fools (Psalm 14:1) I don’t even pay any attention to them or engage in a conversation and waste my breath or time with a fool.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Vigilant, you are WRONG. He is not atheist. His religion is Satanism.

            He “does NOT STAND IN THE TRUTH, because THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM. When he speaks a LIE, he speaks from his own resources, for HE IS A LIAR” (John 8:44)

          • Vigilant

            You may be right, but please don’t shout at me (:-)

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            I don’t. I just emphasized the UNDENIABLE and UNDISPUTABLE FACT. I even did not Bold to not scare you.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            I don’t. I just emphasized the UNDENIABLE and UNDISPUTABLE FACT. I even did not Bold to not scare you.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          “[A] man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted to them his property. To one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away.

          He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he MADE FIVE TALENTS MORE.

          So also he who had the two talents MADE TWO TALENTS MORE.

          But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master’s money.

          Now, after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. And he, who had received the FIVE TALENTS, came forward, bringing five talents
          more, saying: ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here I have made five talents more.’ His master said to him: ‘WELL DONE, GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT. YOU HAVE BEEN FAITHFUL OVER A LITTLE; I WILL
          SET YOU OVER MUCH. ENTER INTO THE JOY OF YOUR MASTER.’

          And he also, who had the TWO TALENTS came forward, saying: ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here I have made two talents more.’

          His master said to him: ‘WELL DONE, GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT. YOU HAVE BEEN FAITHFUL OVER A LITTLE; I WILL SET YOU OVER MUCH. ENTER INTO THE JOY OF YOUR MASTER.’

          He also, who had received the ONE TALENT came
          forward, saying: ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.’

          But his master answered him: ‘YOU WICKED AND SLOTHFUL SERVANT! You knew that I reap where I have not sowed and gather where I scattered no seed? Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. So take the talent from him and give it to him, who has the ten talents. For to everyone, WHO HAS, WILL MORE BE GIVEN, and he will have an abundance. But from the one, WHO HAS NOT, EVEN WHAT HE HAS WILL BE TAKEN AWAY. And CAST THE UNPROFITABLE SERVANT INTO THE OUTER DARKNESS. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’” (Matthew 25:14-29 – NKJV)

          • KG

            Luke 19

            26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

            27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

            Jesus preached Jihad:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nco3KFWc28

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So. Get your timeline correct. When God once again dwells on the earth he will dictate his laws and obedience.
            Jihad is done by the dictates of stupid and evil men and stupider and more evil followers offering human sacrifices to their moon god.

          • KG

            You must of had theological training at the Jack T. Chick school of Religious Indoctrination. Those comic books are cute, but full of lies and innuendo. The sad part is that you know that but refuse to acknowledge it.

          • Charlie

            KG,,, King Jesus Christ, preached that He is The Son of God come to His Earth by using Super Science and normal Science… Tell us what this Jihad junk is based on? …………………..
            Alondra scriptures quotes tell us to take Biblical Law “Money” ,,, silver, gold , etc AND,,, make good “”Use”” of The Blessings God “”Gives”” us AND , Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing, daily……………

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Yeah, I got it: You are a Negro and a muslim. Good for you.

        • Charlie

          Your Scriptures apply to the “”Physically”” rich ,,, that’s not My problem,,, So?,,, Next Scripture,,, as usual you have NO solutions………………………..

  • Frank Zappa

    Alondra
    Excellent observation, and extremely accurate, unfortunately KG seems to not share your opinion BUT that said he is one of many “Internet Trolls” that take the egregious Libturd viewpoints with the idea that somehow “America” will rise from the so called “Ashes” into some “Brave New World.”
    AMERICA IS NOW UNDER JUDGMENT, THIS TIME WE WILL NOT RECOVER FROM OUR ERROR, WE WILL PAY THE PRICE FOR THE MURDER OF 60 MILLION CHILDREN, AND FOR ALL OF OUR HOMOSEXUALITY, AND SO ON. Earth Quakes, Unusual Weather Patterns, Famine, increased and incurable diseases.
    To prove a point there is NOW a strain of Syphilis that when contracted KILLS within about a 72 hour period of time. KG also seems to think that SIN is “OK” and that somehow he is immune to its consequences. Current trends indicate that “IF” Queers can marry then what next, Bestiality? Multiple Wives? And why NOT? The thought today is that “IF” you “Love Someone / Something” then anything goes. I love my dog / cat / the girl next door and forget that marriage has anything to do with anything…..As it WAS in the days of Noah, SO SHALL IT BE IN THE LAST DAYS. BE NOT DECIEVED GOD IS NOT MOCKED, WHATSOEVER A MAN SOWS THAT HE WILL ALSO REAP.

    • Vis Fac

      What you have said has been prophesied and we as you have said are entering the terminal mode. The Immorality of the American people have fueled the fire which cannot be stopped we will fall the whole world will fall as did Rome, Sodom and Gomorrah, USSR and other nations embracing depravity FYI-KG is the devils apprentice he is trying to get paid to do what he does. Between you and me I don’t think he’s going to like the compensation.

      A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

    • Karolyn

      So it logically follows that those that sow fear, anger and hatred will reap the same. That is what is sown here every day.

      • WTS/JAY

        Stop sowing, Karolyn.

      • Frank Zappa

        So Karolyn, what is it about the truth that bothers you personally? Is it that you want to burry your head in the sand…Hey How Bout Them Niners? OR How Bout them “A”s The truth is YOUR Gooberment is getting ready to Kill YOU with Obama Care and you would be willing to just go along to get along…Right..Right !!! So now comes the question about the Death Panels, and YOUR AGE. According to the Gooberment when you reach 60 / 70 plus YOU no longer have value, so the directive is “Screw You” give you some pain meds and just watch YOU DIE. Hey I don’t know about you but I can say for sure this is not the deal I would want to sign up for.
        Your liberty’s are vanishing right before you very eyes, and you are willing to do nothing to stop it, so is that how this works for you??? Ever heard of Agenda 21? How about the FEMA camps that are spread throughout this country, how about the attack on the second amendment? How about free speech? Do I need to continue or is this too much for the brain? Yes that is a little “b” for you to help things out here. Ah get back to me in the event that you have sufficient capacity to answer. And to answer you about anger, your DAMN RIGHT I AM ANGRY, I AM ANGRY ABOUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO MY COUNTRY THAT I LOVE, OR WHATS LEFT OF IT. Fear, Fear of what dying, fear of living what fear, fear of facing life head on without drugs, and alcohol. That kind of fear?? Be specific. Moving to the word “Hatred” Hate what specifically? Last but certainly not least your alleged “Logic” SUCKS.

  • Quester55

    In today’s Society, if you ask 10 people if they are SINNERS9 out of 10 will never say YES, That 1 will Squirm under the pressure but in the end, will admit that they are GUILTY of Sin!
    Whereas the Truth is, They ALL are Sinners, However as our Churches rarely even teach that ALL SIN is bad, It’s getting harder to Find anyone that will admit to being a Sinner!

    • Vis Fac

      I have yet to lay my eyes on one who is perfect. Some of us acknowledge fault some don’t some atone other don’t care. Then there are the lawyers and politicians.

      A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting
      the vote!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

    • KG

      That’s what happened to Jimmy Carter. He was honest in the interview he gave to Playboy magazine and was crucified for it.

      • Vigilant

        Wrong. The crucifixion occurred as a result of his “apathy” speech and his failure to resolve the hostage crisis.

        KG doesn’t have senior moments, he has senior years.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Jimmy Carter’s admission of sin was still an admission of Pride that he was a sinner. This is not unlike Clinton carrying the big Bible.

        • WTS/JAY

          BIG-bible? I wonder if he was compensating?

    • Karolyn

      I think all 10 would admit that they are sinners. Where did you get your numbers from?

      • Quester55

        Personal Experiences, ” Karolyn “, I’m one of those that Highly Recommend that,” All who really wish to Know how the real world feels about Any subject, ” Should get out there & Ask!
        Getting your Responses, ” First hand ‘, is Always preferable to Doctored facts!
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  • 1baronrichsnot1

    Our minds contain a clock, a computer, an estimater, judgement, body temp regulator, heartbeat regulator, respiration regulator, O2 regulator, a cooling system controller, event storage center,etc. and yes a morality center (perceived right, perceived wrong) as we believe it should be. Some of morality is influenced by upbringing, teachings, some inherited. Religion plays its role, but to my knowledge, federal gov’t has nothing but a negative influence on human behavior, programmed or othewise, Just look at our officials, they are much more immoral after “serving” the people for a year or two. The greed taught by the senior “servants” of the people, has its effect on the newly elected, now doesn’t it?

    • Vis Fac

      It’s the greed factor and the hunger for power nothing else matters to a politician. To be a politician or other profession that relies on misery of others (can anyone say lawyer?) is amoral. Those perceived to be meek or mild mannered are those who will rise to the top. “the meek shall inherit the earth” does not mean they will by force. They shall inherit by default because those who are amoral will destroy themselves by their greed.

      A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting
      the vote!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

      • KG

        As Machiavelli said in The Prince :

        A man who wishes to make a profession of goodness in everything must necessarily come to grief among so many who are not good…

        Therefore, it is necessary for a prince, who wishes to maintain himself….to learn how not to be good.

        …everybody sees what you appear to be, few feel what you are, and those few will not dare to oppose themselves to the many.

        In the actions of men, and especially of princes from which there is no appeal….

        …the end justifies the means.

        • Vis Fac

          So we agree ODUMBO and company view themselves as royalty. EXCEPT for the fact EWE and ODUMBO are cut from the same EVIL CLOTH. Your omnipotence like a cancer has eaten your soul and EWE have convinced yourselves that you are virtuous and can do no wrong.

          Funny thing regarding appearances they ALWAYS show through no matter what. In 08 ODUMBO had charisma and a beguiling charm which enamored the nation. Soon like an onion the layers of charm gave way to the true person underneath. With the help of the “bought and paid for” lame stream media and an apathetic conservative voting bloc despite all the irregularities, scandal, broken promises and outright lies ODUMBO retained power.

          ODUMBO is as evil inside as he appears EWE are evil as well EWE follow him like a lap dog and lick his feet. EWE are pathetic.

          A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

          • KG

            Funny thing is this applies to ALL political people – even YOU.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            But how is it that you are exempting yourself?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Why he can’t exempt himself if Congress and UNIONs exempt themselves from the O’care?

          • Vis Fac

            How true however I am NOT one dimensional as EWE are. I can think and reason EWE are incapable of doing so!

            A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Read this to learn what really motivates Leaders:
      http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/beware-the-psychopath-my-son/

  • mark

    “Pretend to be righteous, pretend to be patriotic, create external fear, create internal fear, offer to “fix” the economy (with “market” solutions and tax cuts for the rich). You’ve nailed it, Mr. Smith. This is the entire conservative/libertarian agenda. It is on display every day on this website. You have identified the enemy precisely, and he is you.

    • WTS/JAY

      mark: You’ve nailed it, Mr. Smith. This is the entire conservative/libertarian agenda. It is on display every day on this website. You have identified the enemy precisely, and he is you.

      Yours is nothing more than “projection” of a typical liberal-progressive. I would say; you, nailed it, mark!

    • red neck

      What’s wrong mark… Nothing useful to input, a typical throw the blame game at an attempt to deflect or change the subject… Instead of facing the issues you bury yourself in pity and blame… You can go back under your rock now you are not needed!

      • mark

        No quite the contrary, this is a website that constantly spreads irrational fears both external and domestic. “Be afraid, be very afraid!” it tells its readers practically everyday. Be afraid of your own government, of your own police departments, of the Muslim Nazi/Communist/Socialist (take your pick) in the White House, of the FEMA camps he will send all of us too, of his private army that he will use install one-world, UN government, of the Sharia Law he will impose on all Americans, of the White House´s Alliance with Al Qaeda (when in fact Obama´s drones and SEAL teams have killed hundreds of Al Qaeda operatives, including their chief, Osama Bin Laden). All of these charges are nonsense and lies which most of the sheeple on this site buy like the “group think” lemmings and ditto heads that they are. Brandon Smith has outed himself. I expressed zero pity in my post. But yes I have assigned blame to fear mongers like Smith who make a living by ratcheting up people´s paranoia. And I would include the whole Survivalist Movement in this indictment as well.

        • KG

          Hear hear!

        • WTS/JAY

          “The United States of America seeks peace. That’s why we carpet bombed Libya in 2011, are still at war in Afghanistan, currently drone bombing Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia, gearing up for Iran, and killing civilians at an alarming rate.” -Barrack Obama

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          mark says — “All of these charges are nonsense and lies which most of the sheeple on this site buy like the “group think” lemmings”.
          Lemmings? You must be talking about the Progressive Followers.
          Feel free, mark, to cite specific nonsense and lies and rebut them intelligently.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Actually, it is you 5th columners that are destroying everthing about this country. Our morals, virtues, Christian founding, American exceptionalism, etc., are on the chopping block and you all say it is the ways of progressivism. Here are some articles about your ilk.
      http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/2013/08/09/our_culture_condones_and_glorifies_depravity_under_the_guise_of_tolerance
      http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/2013/08/09/the_democrat_language_manual_advises_100_emotional_manipulation
      Here is one about the dems and unconstitutional gun control.
      http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/democrat-manual-how-to-lie-about-gun-control/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
      “With consistency, beautiful and undeviating, human life – from its commencement to its close – is protected by the common law. In the contemplations of law, life begins when the infant is first able to stir in the womb. By the law, that life is protected.”
      James Wilson
      Founding father
      Devout Christian

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      What is the Libertarian agenda, mark?
      Those who don’t want to wait for a nonsense answer from mark can read this:
      http://www.lp.org/platform
      And for a deeper treatment from the Father of Libertarianism:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

    • Nadzieja Batki

      How have the Dems/Progs/Leftists solved the dilemmas in this country? Your ideology micromanaged the problems into bigger problems and bad or no solutions.

  • Warrior

    This article was kinda “buried” in the back pages of the chicago tribune last week. Nothing to see here!

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-08-09/news/ct-met-illinois-grant-charges-folo-0809-20130809_1_whitaker-state-grant-michelle-obama

  • Doc Sarvis

    While I agree with much of what you laid out in your seven steps (in the article) it is far too transparent to single out one Administration. Modern government in the U.S. and elsewhere is replete with these traits as is Corporate America. To heap it all at the feet of President Obama is a weak position to take.

    • red neck

      Yet another loser that has no significant input just blame…
      Pathetic I would say….

    • Vis Fac

      ODUMBO has fallen in step along with all the other presidents that succumbed to corporate greed. The sad thing is the ones who should hole them accountable seem to be swept up along with them. There will come a time when the corporate world collapses, and at that time the playing field will be somewhat even. Unfortunately for corporate heads they will be like marshmallows in a campfire (toasted)

      A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting
      the vote!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

      • Doc Sarvis

        When I used the term “Modern government in the U.S.” the President is just one third of that set. The two other branches must take blame as well as they are just as linked to the traits in the article and corporate influence (i.e. $$$).

        • TheOriginalDaveH
          • Doc Sarvis

            One of the first steps – repeal the Citizen’s United decision. Corporations ARE NOT citizens.

          • Vigilant

            Corporate personhood (not citizenship) has been around as a legal concept for over 100 years. A reversal in the SCOTUS decision would not invalidate the treatment of corporations as artificial persons in law.

            “[F]or the Citizens United case, corporate personhood wasn’t required for purposes of the majority’s decision to strike down the regulations on campaign spending.”

            http://www.npr.org/2011/10/24/141663195/what-is-the-basis-for-corporate-personhood

          • Elton Robb

            That is because, in Law, a person is defined as Artificial (God said he is no respecter of persons for this reason). A human being used to be defined in Law as a monster.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What are they, Doc, Robots?
            Aren’t Corporations just groups of people, like Greenpeace, or the National Organization of Women?
            I don’t like Crony Capitalism any more than you do, Doc, but passing more Laws, creating Bigger Government, taking away more Freedom, isn’t the answer. What we need to do is get educated and vote for people who will do the correct thing, and that is to Shrink Government dramatically so they can’t aid and abet the Crony Capitalists with favorable regulations, subsidies, price controls, tariffs, quotas, and all the other protective devices Politicians use to favor their major contributors.

          • Dave

            there goes DaveH8 the corporatist… at it again….

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yeah right. The guy who helps to grow Big Government ever-larger calling me a corporatist. There would be no Mercantilism without your Big Government, Dave.
            For the people who want to know what Dave and his cohorts are doing to you:
            http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Ripoff-Business-Government/dp/0471789070/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1376445794&sr=8-1&keywords=the+big+ripoff

          • Dave

            Lies from DaveH8… how typical… DaveH8 thinks you can have a “free” market, “small” gov in a country of 300M people and a global economy. Too bad mises doesn’t have a link showing his BS model getting abused by other nation states that manipulate their currency and can impose trade barriers to their benefit.
            But to DaveH8… America goes “free market”, “small Gov” as DaveH8 defines it and China, Russia, India, the EU will see the light and follow suit.
            Hilarious….

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Lies? Perhaps you could explain where, you useless slandering Liberal Progressive?
            Hong Kong has the Freest Markets in the world and has a population 3 times as dense as the most densely populated state in the US. Population size bears no relation to economic performance, ignorant Liberal Progressive Dave.

        • Vis Fac

          But you need to realize the pool from where the the current POTUS emerged from. I hold the entire government in CONTEMPT I have said so may times previously. ODUMBO is the one who is supposed to lead and we has led us to destruction!

          A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      We have to start somewhere, Doc. What better place than those currently heading the Gang?

      • Doc Sarvis

        The Gang, as you refer to them, is actually three headed with the President being just one third.

        • KG

          Don’t say that! They might actually try to read the constitution instead of pretending to defend it!

        • Vigilant

          If you really believe that, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. The executive and judicial branches have been usurping power from the Congress (the peoples’ house) for a long time.

          You and KG might try living in the real world for a change.

    • Vigilant

      “To heap it all at the feet of President Obama is a weak position to take.”

      Undoubtedly. And when you find something in Mr. Smith’s article that indicates that, we’ll take notice. Providing the historical and then “the current sales pitch” hardly does that.

      Blinded a little by partisanship, are we, Sarvis?

  • ron44

    actually it is your soul these hellions want to destroy and they are doing a vary god job convincing you that you have no worries just let them dictate for you. Do you not understand that this is a battle for the spirit of mankind?

    • red neck

      I for one am very aware of what is actually taking place here and I know the outcome….

      • mark

        Oh, you are clairvoyant too? You know all the outcomes. What will be the winning Powerball number for Wednesday?

        • KG

          He said the same thing 20 years ago when the Soviet Union was supposed to invade Israel.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          What do you need Lotto for, with your easy access to the trough?

          • WTS/JAY

            Because, when it comes to progressive-swine, it’s never enough.

    • Vis Fac

      My soul belongs to God almighty. ODUMBO and company struck a deal and gave his/their soul to the devil to get where they are those who followed are as depraved as he is. I liken ODUMBO to the serpent that tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden.

      ODUMBO is as amoral as one can get and still walk the earth. He and his Muslim friends and allies in crime will not have a pleasant afterlife.

      A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting
      the vote!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

    • Vis Fac

      My soul belongs to God almighty. ODUMBO and company struck a deal and gave his/their soul to the devil to get where they are those who followed are as depraved as he is. I liken ODUMBO to the serpent that tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden.

      ODUMBO is as amoral as one can get and still walk the earth. He and his Muslim friends and allies in crime will not have a pleasant afterlife.

      A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting
      the vote!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

      • mark

        You are right, Force Recon. Democracy is very dangerous. It is better to have a handful of rich and powerful men make all the decisions for us. Get rid of all that voting and election nonsense. I applaud your approach to government.

        • KG

          Here here! Let us use the Pinochet play-book on how to ‘correct’ liberalism in America!

          • Vigilant

            Liberalism is easier corrected by brain surgery (if you can find a brain, that is).

          • Elton Robb

            Well, if you can’t correct it by telling the truth.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          But you and your Leftist ideologues want to do the dictating instead. So your malice and avarice wants to trade places with the rich and powerful.

          • macgyver1948

            Nadzieja Batki… WOW!. There is nothing Leftist about this but you seem to be programmed to think and say it is. As in this article where Brandon Smith intimates the powers that be, or those who want to be (as it always has been to some extent but not as bas as it is
            these days), may do their best to malign the opposition whether what they say is true or not. No one does that better than the Tea Party and their TP owned GOP. They very much did their job with you in getting you to believe what they want you to believe.

            I do not agree with the over all message Brandon
            Smith is trying to convey but he does use intelligence and smarts, with some very real definitions, to get his points across. He is doing his job well for the Right.

            It is not the “Leftist ideologues” who are doing the “dictating” to the extent the Right is teaching you. The Left is nowhere near perfect but we as a country are in danger of becoming a total Plutocracy and the Right is helping that to the extreme, way more that the Left is, and you are helping too. Good for you since you are
            doing just as the Right wants of you.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            MacGyver (misnamed) says — “I do not agree with the over all message Brandon Smith is trying to convey but he does use intelligence and smarts, with some very real definitions, to get his points across”.
            You should try that, MacGyver.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH…
            Of course you disagree with me. What else could you do since I am on
            the Left? Good for you, you are obedient :-).

          • Karolyn

            ad hominem

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Who is the fairest of them all?

          • WTS/JAY

            Get off the pot, mac, both parties are equally guilty of selling the country to the highest bidder! Btw, have you heard of the “Monsanto protection act”, signed into law by none other then your left-wing loony president? If that isn’t playing the whore, i don’t know what is?

            Obama signs ‘Monsanto Protection Act’ for benefit of GMO industry:http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/346620#ixzz2btHBQOaN

          • macgyver1948

            TS/JAY.. I have always known there is corruption on all sides in politics, there is nothing new in that. I have been saying that forever. But I see less in the Dems, as much watching as they too need, than there
            is on the Conservative side.

            For example, if Obama signs anything that will benefit Monsanto I will feel a betrayal in that and that will not be the first time I felt Obama was wrong. I saw so much wrong in what the little bush did and we are still feeling his wrong doings today.

            I do not trust Monsanto or any large corporation (as a good number of the Founders said they did not as well for tight corporate financial ownership of many of our politicians – the potential of that is disastrous for us. ***See quotes below) and I do not trust the drug,
            and oil companies primarily (but it really doesn’t matter what type of corporations if greed and control is their agendas) and I very much do not trust the FDA. Man there is so much more to say but not now. How is this for “getting off the pot”?

            What owns our politicians endangers us and Democracy no matter what side of the aisle they profess to be on. Ownership is really easy to see
            in the actions of the politicians, NOT THEIR WORDS, and the pledges they sign.

            888

            ****
            “I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.” – Thomas Jefferson

            Thomas Jefferson got it right when in 1802 he wrote, “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the
            banks will deprive the people of all property—until their children wake up homeless in the continent their fathers conquered.”

          • macgyver1948

            TS/JAY..I have always known there is corruption on all sides in politics, there is nothing new in that. I have been saying that forever. But I see less in the Dems, as much watching as they too need, than there
            is on the Conservative side.

            For example, if Obama signs anything that will benefit Monsanto I will feel a betrayal in that and that will not be the first time I felt Obama was wrong. I saw so much wrong in what the little bush did and
            we are still feeling his wrong doings today.

            I do not trust Monsanto or any large corporation (as a good number of the Founders said they did not as well for tight corporate financial ownership of many of our politicians – the potential of that is
            disastrous for us. ***See quotes below) and I do not trust the drug, and oil companies primarily (but it really doesn’t matter what type of corporations if greed and control is their agendas) and I very much do not trust the FDA. Man there is so much more to say but not
            now. How is this for “getting off the pot”?

            What owns our politicians endangers us and Democracy no matter what side of the aisle they profess to be on. Ownership is really easy to see
            in the actions of the politicians, NOT THEIR WORDS, and the pledges they sign.

            888

            ***
            “I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.” – Thomas Jefferson

            ThomasJefferson got it right when in 1802 he wrote, “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the
            banks will deprive the people of all property—until their children wake up homeless in the continent their fathers conquered.”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            MacGyver says — “I have always known there is corruption on all sides in politics, there is nothing new in that. I have been saying that forever. But I see less in the Dems”.
            Time to get your eyes checked, MacGyver. Any party which helps itself to other unwilling peoples’ money is corrupt from the get-go. To assume that they wouldn’t take all forms of bribes from Crony Capitalists is naive indeed.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH…Oh Dave, if you read what I said and really understood it, I tried to wrote it in simple English, you would have seen what I was saying. I
            know there is corruption on the left but I am talking about degrees and the Dems have less and are more for the majority of us than so many on your side of Congress.

            There is plenty wrong from the Left, no doubt. Now let’s see if you can truly understand simple English. Here goes. On the Right there are over 270 TP GOPers who have signed Mafia style pledges. I say Mafia style because if the signers do not do as they are told their careers are “Toast”, say a particular pledge owner of those over 270 bought and paid for GOP signers. Rand Paul is in agreement with this pledge, he says so, so it is not just GOPers who
            are owned.

            These signers, and more and more of them want out because their consciences are bothering them for their signing, have pledged their votes as Congress people to do as they are told. So much for the voters and
            the needs of people like you who may have voted for them. Talk about helping themselves to the government. Do you really think the Right represents you? You are not wealthy enough or a big enough
            corporations for that.

            A question. Do you think I am saying no Congress people or President on the Left is bought and paid for as so many on the Right are? Well, only if you talk yourself into believing that or you allow your Right
            leaders to tell you what you should believe but actually I am not. I think it is you who needs “to get your eyes checked” or maybe learn how to understand simple
            written English. Please do not edit my meanings as so many on this site do, you do not have that God-given talent to ASSume what other people really mean. I think when you read something from someone you
            do not want to agree with you miss a lot of what is really there.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Isn’t funny how these Liberal Progressives give themselves such fanciful names? You are no MacGyver, MacGyver. Your previous comment is just pure conjecture. You confuse my understanding with your erroneous statements.
            The day you could teach me English, MacGyver (not), is the day that Liberal Progressive pigs can fly.

            MacGyver says — “These signers….. have pledged their votes as Congress people to do as they are told. So much for the voters and the needs of people like you who may have voted for them”.
            It’s called integrity, MacGyver, something that’s foreign to you immoral Liberal Progressives.

            MacGyver (hardly) says — “Please do not edit my meanings as so many on this site do”.
            What meanings? Your comments are just typical Liberal Progressive conjecture — all fluff and no substance.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH…You are so original TheOriginalDaveH. This isn’t the first time people on here have nothing to say so they go for the name. Is your real name “TheOriginalDaveH” and you really cannot believe you are original, can you, LOL… Grow
            up.

            I see you think I was trying to teach you English. Not at all Dave, I was suggesting that you need to take lessons in English so you could understand it.

            Do you even know the meaning of the word “ immoral” or know how to use it? You are showing you do not. If it was integrity that encouraged the over 270 TP owned GOP and others to sign that pledge then why are more and more of them wanting out now? That is what happens when integrity takes power over the greed that and the promise of money and winning elections blinded them in the first place to sign. Good try there TheOriginalDaveH but you still do not understand what is going on with the pledge.

            Maybe you are not up for finding out the truth about it by doing your own research. What is “all fluff and no substance” is people like you who will not try to learn. It’s not that hard o do your own research, I do it all the time.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Gyver says — ” If it was integrity that encouraged the over 270 TP owned GOP and others to sign that pledge then why are more and more of them wanting out now?”
            Only an ignorant Liberal Progressive would need to ponder that question. If they want out, they want out because they are typical CINOs who only assume integrity for as long as it takes to get the next vote.

            Gyver says — “Good try there TheOriginalDaveH but you still do not understand what is going on with the pledge”.
            This coming from a guy who had to be schooled by me on what the pledge really said, because he obviously just took the word of some Liberal Progressive Propaganda Pundit.

            I suppose I could entreat you to tell us again what it says, but it’s kind of boring upstaging you all the time, Gyver.
            For those who don’t know what Gyver is talking about (don’t feel bad, he doesn’t usually either):
            http://s3.amazonaws.com/atrfiles/files/files/091411-federalpledgesigners.pdf
            Imagine the nerve of those dastardly Congressmen, pledging to stop increasing Income Taxes?

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH… You may think you have the ability to think for others and are good at it but you are only fooling yourself. You say “Only an ignorant
            Liberal Progressive would need to ponder that question. If they want out, they want out because they are typical CINOs who only assume integrity for as long as it takes to get the next vote”.

            Many of the signers are starting to feel they are cheating their constituents and that is offensive. They are starting to feel, they say this and I am not assuming as you do. I sent you al ink to show
            what they are saying but you do not care for the truth so you make up truth for them instead. I think their consciences were over working on them and they want out.

            They you say to me “Gyver says — “Good try there TheOriginalDaveH but you still do not understand what is going on with the pledge”. This coming from a guy who had to be schooled by me on what the pledge really said, because he obviously just took the
            word of some Liberal Progressive Propaganda Pundit”. “by you” that’s a huge laugh, you do not know anything.

            WOW you are either so lazy or stupid. YES, you showed the pledge to me, you typed/pasted it out here. But you refuse to see what is behind it and to understand it and you foolishly take the short pledge
            literally. You run a school for fools if you can get any students. I gave you links to show what Norquist says about the pledge. He says if the signers do not comply, forever, he will turn their careers to
            “Toast” (yes he actually said that, I heard him) . You just are so lazy, or too dumb, to find out. The signers must do as they are told, Norquist said that too as he said it about Mitt Romney during the campaign (Don’t worry about Romney, he will do as he is told”.
            That means Norquist would have run the Oval Office if Romney “won”). They MUST vote in Congress on the bills and issues as they are told or, again, “THEIR CARREERS WILL BE TOAST”. This is not just about
            tax raising, it is about whatever they are told. They must put aside what is good for America and do instead what they are told. That is your Right (and I do not mean your right) political side when it comes to the pledge signers.

            I am getting so tired of telling you this over and over again. Are you so dumb or lazy that you will not look it all up for yourself? Get off this issue until you do some real research on Norquist and his pledge. In your repetition you sound like a retard.

            The pledge is NOT only about voting against increasing taxes but it does include to never vote for a new tax or a tax increase even if reality deems it necessary for us. Why do you think the pledge signers voted against suspending the temporary bush tax break for his buddies? They were ordered to vote against the suspension when it was due even
            though we needed the back to normal tax levels. It, by little bush, was billed as temporary so it would be passed. It includes doing what is best for the big corporations at our expense. You just see the
            literal in the short pledge but you refuse to really know what it is. Again, grow up and try to learn something even on your own.

            Also OriginalDave… You haven’t got a clue about integrity either especially if you are for this pledge but not just for that reason.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Poor Mac. His feelings are hurt because I called him ignorant. Why? Because, Mac, you are. I am only going to make one point and ignore the rest of your garbage because I have better things to do than to answer your conjectural, unsupported, ad hominem comment.
            Mac says — “Many of the signers are starting to feel they are cheating their constituents and that is offensive. They are starting to feel, they say this and I am not assuming as you do”.
            Okay, let’s break this down so even ignorant Mac can understand it. They signed a pledge. So now Mac claims that they have changed their minds. And he says they have said that. So Mac is going to take the word of politicians who have signed a pledge, but now want to break it? Only an ignorant Liberal could not understand that such people will say anything to get what they want.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH… No OriginalDave, I would have to believe you for my feelings to be hurt and I do not. You have no credibility when it comes to judging
            and labeling other people so I believe your accusations and insults are meaningless as well, just as you as a person are.

            I do not claim a number of signers have changed their minds, many of them do. I shared a link to an article which shows some of the signers doing this but I guess you didn’t want the truth on that. So for whom are you really breaking this down for?

            LOL who is the ignorant one here Dave? You cannot accept that people can get hit with a rush of conscience and want out of something they
            greedily accepted in the first place. You do not alt all understand the pledge, or you just do not want to since it comes from your greed leaders for your greedy leaders. You do not want to take the effort
            to research Norquist on this issue and to see what is really going on. Are you just so very lazy or you refuse to accept the fact that you could be wrong? Not wanting to know if you could be wrong makes you ignorant.

            I see one of my sentences is incomplete and I am surprised you didn’t catch it and ram it down my throat. It is in your comment as “Mac says — “Many of the signers are starting to feel they are cheating their constituents and that is offensive. They are starting
            to feel, they say this and I am not assuming as you do”.

            I left out the ending so the comment should read “Many of the signers are starting to feel they are cheating their constituents and that is offensive. They are starting to feel, they say this and I am not assuming as you do, they developed that irritating case of conscience”. See, when I figure out I made a mistake or I see I was wrong about something I will admit it. You, well, your mind is so closed to reality it cannot admit the need for corrections within
            you. You are truly a TP kind of person/thinker, meaning no room for corrections if mistakes are made. So sad. Do you call yourself a believer in Freedom and Liberty equally for all? I do not see that in
            you at all and you are in the right place. To bad you just are not credible for your leaders to get what they want from you – whether you realize it or not.

            I believe this, below, old guy was speaking to and about people like you, people who think as you, when he said this. I bet this applies to a number of Right TP like thinkers on this site at least. And you OriginalDave, do not have to be of the TP to fit the thought process for it to strongly apply to you. This is why your kind is so sad and hypocritical. This goes religiously as well as politically since they can be of the same mind set that this quote implies.

            Have a great day OriginalDave and enjoy this quote about you and your kind. This old guy knows of what he speaks. Have you ever heard of him? :-) — LOL

            Most men indeed, as well as most sects in religion, think themselves in possession of all truth, and that wherever others differ from them, it is so far error. —BEN FRANKLIN, AUTOBIOGRA­PHICAL WRITINGS .

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            does your head hurt yet?

          • macgyver1948

            Hi Bob666, hows it going? The headache is from people who claim to believe in liberty and freedom but then deny those who do not agree with them as they make up what others really mean. Its Excedrin time, LOL.

            Oh, speaking of which… Charlie jumped in too. See below if you have time..

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            You seem to have a seat at the smorgasbord of psychological miss-fits tonight. Just remember-Alondra is not kosher.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob666…
            In the truest translation of the word Kosher Alandra, and some
            others, is not that in her actions and in how she responds to those
            she does not agree with. Good point there Bob. Thanks.

      • Frank Zappa

        Force Recon: I concur
        The scripture compels us to derail tyrants, whatever it takes. MY EVERYTHING belongs to the cross of Christ, EVERYTHING. There are no “Do Overs” after you die, as you well know.

        • Vis Fac

          The reason our way of life will end soon is because amoral people have taken over The reason these amoral people took over is because of apathy of those who know better and said nothing.

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme
          power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

  • FreedomFighter

    “I believe what we are witnessing today is the final step in the metamorphosis that is totalitarianism. The last stage accelerates when the average citizen is not just complicit in the deeds of devils, but when he becomes a devil himself.”
    When good men fail to act, evil goes unchecked, grows and consumes society. We Americans must, as a people reject, and fight what is happening now, nobody else will-nobody else can.
    Laus DeoSemper FI

    • Vis Fac

      This known as apathy!

      A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting
      the vote!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

      • Elton Robb

        how about a Republic?

        • Vis Fac

          A republic operates on a democratic system assuming all participants remain on the same page and have a common goal. Unfortunately the liberal party has an agenda to circumvent destroy our constitution in favor of their own rules and regulations. Most if not all eliminate personal freedom responsibility and liberty.

          A democracy can best be described as two wolves
          and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            “Republicanism may be distinguished from other forms of democracy as it asserts that people have unalienable rights that cannot be voted away by a majority of voters”.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republicanism_in_the_United_States

            To promote the concept of “Democracy” is to promote the The Decline of the American Republic:
            http://mises.org/books/decline.pdf

          • KG

            But W said thats why we were in Iraq? Or was it WMDs? Or gettin his Daddys Killer?…….Hmmmm

          • WTS/JAY

            W wasn’t a Republican. W was a Communist!

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Excellent article, Brandon.
    Thank you.

  • S.C.Murf

    Keep telling it like it is. EXCELLENT thank you

    up the hill
    airborne

  • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

    “Some people believe that morality comes from the force of bureaucracy and government law.”

    “It Ain’t Evil If It’s Legal”

    http://olgreyghost.blogspot.com/2009/08/it-aint-evil-if-its-legal.html

    • KG

      Like the sign in the pawn shop: Whats mine is mine. Whats yours will soon be mine.

      • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

        “…Whats mine is mine. Whats yours will soon be mine.”

        Only if I choose to pawn or sell it to you as you are most assuredly not in my will…

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You just copied a slogan without doing any thinking about what it means. if it wasn’t a sign in the pawn shop we could say that you are advocating THEFT.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Yeah, Bolsheviks’ slogan was: “Who was nobody, becomes ALL. Who had NOTHING, now will have EVERYTHING”.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Here’s an article along those same lines:
      http://mises.org/daily/4125

  • Sarah417

    Just one question. When America finally goes down, the journalists writing these conservative news emails will be the first to go as well as conservative talk radio so why aren’t you people forming groups to fight this administration? Why aren’t YOU doing something about this?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      We are doing something, this site for one. We are living our lives, raising our children, praying, loving our husbands and children and our country.
      “He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee. but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God.” And contrary to Leftists joy and delight, Micah 6:8 does not allow the growth of busybodies and the Welfare State and Big Government.

      • Karolyn

        I certainly do not see many Christians here “walking Humbly with thy God.” And mercy is not a word used here very often – usually just the opposite.

        • Charlie

          You will NOT be judged by “Our” sins ,,,, clean up your own sins and you will be able to tell us how to clean up…

          • WTS/JAY

            Good for you, Charlie. Now go and apply that principle!

          • Charlie

            I “”Repent”” daily ,,, how about you ???

    • Charlie

      How many Men does it take to make a majority? ,,,IF?,,, King Jesus Christ is Leading them? Clue ,, One Man …

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    “If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and WILL FORGIVE THEIR SIN AND HEAL THEIR LAND. Now My eyes will be open and My ears attentive to PRAYER MADE IN THIS PLACE.” (2 Chronicles 7:14-15)

    • mark

      Oh, good to see that you are a religious racist, Alondra. Congratulations.

      • red neck

        Oh Alex…. Just how exactly does one that is religious automatically become a “racist”??? Is it that what you are saying is that if a person is not like you then they are a “racist”? Is it that the only racist here is you!

        • mark

          No, this was a response to the scores of racist posts that dear Alondra has written about President Barak Obama on this site over the last several months. (don´t you keep up with the writings on this site, aptly-named red neck?) I am glad to see that she has now turned to religion. The two positions are certainly not mutually exclusive as all the whites you see smiling and laughing in photos of black lynchings in the South were all good, God-fearing, church-going folk. The area responsible for the most racial lynchings in that period was the Bible Belt after all.

          • KG

            So, the Democrat party of 1950 is the same one as now?

            You must be taking Quaaludes.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You must be the life of the party when the 8th graders get together, KGB.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Can you cite some examples of Alondra’s racism, mark? Or do you expect us to take the word of a non-credible Liberal Progressive?

          • Charlie

            They are still doing that in the Confederates states,,, but ,,, today they are using the G Z technology… BTW for all you heathens “”Racism”” is in The Bible… It starts at Genesis 9, 10 ,11 …. and peak out at Matthew 15:24… Got a problem with your race ??? Talk to God ,,, but ,,, all “Prayers” to God go thru King Jesus Christ ,,,but ,,, have you been doing what King Jesus Christ said at Matthew 6:33… Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      • Nadzieja Batki

        And you are an admitted IDIOT. Congratulations.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        mark, you need to add the BOTOX to your brain.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Where do you get that Alondra is racist, numbnuts?

        • WTS/JAY

          He’s projecting!

        • Dave

          Alondra has admitted to being a homophobe, Islamophobe and several other phobes…
          But careful DaveH, you are an atheist and if Alondra and Samauri find that out about you, you get kicked out of the self-righteous conservative club they belong to and have extended a membership to you.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            I know that Left-wingers and muslims are LIARS and Distortion-ists, but please indicate what “several other phobes…” I am.

            And WHY DaveH has to be careful? I know that he is an atheist, as I know that you are a muslim. You BOTH have a FREE will. I am NO one converting into Christianity.

            ii: “if Alondra and Samauri find that out about you, you get kicked out of the self-righteous conservative club they belong to and have extended a membership to you.”

            WHAT a DIARRHETIC liberal nonsense.
            “A dupe lays open his folly.” – King Solomon (Pr. 13:16)

            “A fool has no delight in understanding, but in expressing his own heart.” – King Solomon (Proverbs 18:2)

            If you want I can cite koran, your “helly” book:
            “Any religion other than Islam is NOT ACCEPTABLE.” Qur’an, sura 3:85

            “When OPPORTUNITY arises, KILL the INFIDELS WHEREVER YOU CATCH THEM.” Qur’an, sura 9:5

            Or how about this one:
            “I [muhammed] shall cast TERROR into the hearts of the
            INFIDELS. STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS, STRIKE OFF THE VERY TIPS OF THEIR FINGERS.” Qur’an 8:12

            Let me know if you want more from koran.

            BTW, I do not belong to ANY “self-righteous conservative club”, neither Samurai does. We belong to Jesus Christ, “in whom we have redemption through His blood,[c] the forgiveness of [our] sins.” (Col.1:14) as many readers on this board.

            We NEVER claimed to be “self-righteous”, so do not put your liberal lies into our mouths.

            Best regards,
            Alondra, Proud Naturalized American, Un-Apologetic Christian Bigot, the Tea Party Lover (in any sense), definite Homo“phobe” & Islamo“phobe”, the PC snubber and the Hater of the VOLUNTARY Stupidity and Idiocy

          • Dave

            DaveH8,
            I give you exhibit A…

          • WTS/JAY

            You gave us nothing, Dave! Now, if you want me to pull up, point out, your anti-religious bigotry, namely, your Christianophobia, i’ll be more then happy to do so…

          • Dave

            Believe in any fairytale you wish… as long as you keep it out of the Gov like the 1st Amendment says… we have no issue.

          • WTS/JAY

            You, Dave, are the “fairytale”!

          • Dave

            Amazing how “fairytales” can make you look even dumber… if that is even possible.

          • WTS/JAY

            For a fairytale, you sure look dumb, Dave.

          • Dave

            You would have been better of using the..
            “I know you are but what am I”
            retort…
            But you are at least consistent with your ignorance.

          • WTS/JAY

            A fairytale claiming to recognize ignorance. Now that’s rich!

          • WTS/JAY

            So where’s the Islamophobia, Dave? I don’t see it!

          • Dave

            She admits to it… or can you read?

            “Alondra, Proud Naturalized American, Un-Apologetic Christian Bigot, the Tea Party Lover (in any sense), definite Homo“phobe” & Islamo“phobe”
            But conservative racism is so pervasive here, I know its hard for other racists to identify the racism of others because morons agree with other morons.

          • WTS/JAY

            She admits nothing. You, however, reveal your true colors!

          • Dave

            Yep, someone with all my faculties in tact.
            What does bigot mean in your world?
            Islamophobe?
            You really are not the bright are you Jay? oops… I have exposed my distain for stupid people.

          • WTS/JAY

            Take your racism and your bigotry somewhere else, Dave; you are polluting the thread!

          • Dave

            Me “polluting” this thread is like living next to Chernobyl and complaining about a Microwave oven.
            Lol!
            Jay, did you bump your head more than usual today?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            “morons agree with other morons”
            Conclusion from your own experience?

          • WTS/JAY

            So what you’re saying is that; one can no longer be critical of anything, or anyone, lest they be labelled a racist and a bigot? So where does that leave you, Dave? Are you a racist and a bigot?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Still no evidence of Alondra’s racism. Why doesn’t that surprise me coming from a Liberal Progressive?

          • Dave

            LOL… ok DaveH8, you just ignore Alondra’s posts? Come to think of it… You are on to something.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Laughing? Eyes Rolling? Ad Hominem attacks? Ridicule?
            But where’s the meat, Dave?
            Learn their techniques, Folks. All they have is manipulation and condescension. No reality. No facts. No logic.
            What useless creatures these Liberal Progressives are.

          • Dave

            The meat? In this thread???
            Surely you jest….
            But you know all about manipulation and condescension don’t you?
            No reality (mises lover) ****check****
            No facts (mises lover) only conjecture *****check****
            No logic (mises lover) only theory from an un-accredited source *****check****
            You should stop projecting your failures onto others?
            DaveH, why don’t you come clean? You do not live in the United States do you?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave gives us the usual.
            You guys sure are boring, Dave.
            Say something real. Something that will show off your ignorance.

          • Dave

            If I want your ignorance… all you need to do is send a mises link on economics and try and pretend it has relevance in todays global economy.
            And I agree with you… Jay and Alondra are boring… the anger and ignorance can only tide me over for so long.

          • WTS/JAY

            Bye bye fool!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Freedom is always relevant.
            And those who seek advantage over others will always be with us. Speaking of that, Heeeere’s Dave!

          • WTS/JAY

            Useless eaters!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Dave, are you receiving Bonuses for the focusing on me?

          • Dave

            No, DaveH8 makes the money off this site. I just enjoy exposing phony Christians like you. You expose your “crazy” as a bonus though.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Oh, how intelligent you are. You came to this conclusion by yourself or somebody gave you the talking points?

            Just curiosity.

          • WTS/JAY

            Do you get an extra bonus from the KKK for your racist comments, Dave?

          • Dave

            KKK are conservatives… they don’t like us liberals too much… we were the race mixers… us liberals… But I understand you social conservatives like to hide yourselves.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Definition of KKK – Korrupt Kenyan Kriminal.

          • WTS/JAY

            Revising history, uh Dave? Democrats invented slavery and the KKK. The Republican party was founded because of opposition to democrat slavery and the democrat racists. Many White and Black Republicans were lynched by the democrat party supporters because of their opposition to slavery. Republicans were the abolitionists from the start. They always supported and promoted Civil Rights. Nothing has changed. Slavery was always a democrat’s tool and still is today in it’s different form of strings attached to handouts.

          • WTS/JAY

            He’s projecting, DaveH. Dave, is the bigot and the racist, but because he finds that part of him disgusting, and because he’s unable to deal with it, he assigns those horrible qualities to someone else; namely, Alondra.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’ve known some wonderful Black people, Jay, but Dave isn’t one of them.

          • Dave

            Wow… good for you DaveH8, you known some of them… Great… did you let them shake your hand too?

          • WTS/JAY

            What a disgusting racist you are, Dave. I’m sure your mamma must be very proud!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            “you known some of them”? Are you speaking ebonics again?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Is Dave a WHITE Negro?

          • WTS/JAY

            No, Dave is a disgusting racist!

          • Dave

            Its actually Eggshell Mocha you racist.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Why? Didn’t you call MY hero George a WHITE Hispanic?

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          He just want me be racist and “several other phobes…”

    • KG

      Malachi 2:3

      King James Version (KJV)

      3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Twisting the Bible again. Give it up KG, your tactics don’t work. You only show how little you know of God and His Word.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Yeah, KG, God warns DEMONcRats like you.

      • WTS/JAY

        Do you understand the definition of context, KG? I don’t think you do.

        Malachi Chapter 2

        1 “And now this commandment is for you, O priests.

        2 “If you do not listen, and if you do not take it to heart to give honor to My name, says the LORD of hosts, “then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings; and indeed, I have cursed them {already,} because you are not taking {it} to heart.”

        3 “Behold, I am going to rebuke your offspring, and I will spread refuse on your faces, the refuse of your feasts; and you will be taken away with it.

        4 “Then you will know that I have sent this commandment to you, that My covenant may continue with Levi, says the LORD of hosts.”

        5 “My covenant with him was {one of} life and peace, and I gave them to him {as an object of} reverence; so he revered Me and stood in awe of My name.

        6 “True instruction was in his mouth and unrighteousness was not found on his lips; he walked with Me in peace and uprightness, and he turned many back from iniquity.

        7 “For the lips of a priest should preserve knowledge, and men should seek instruction from his mouth; for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

        8 “But as for you, you have turned aside from the way; you have caused many to stumble by the instruction; you have corrupted the covenant of Levi, says the LORD of hosts.”

        9 “So I also have made you despised and abased before all the people, just as you are not keeping My ways but are showing partiality in the instruction.

        10 “Do we not all have one father? Has not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously each against his brother so as to profane the covenant of our fathers?

        11 “Judah has dealt treacherously, and an abomination has been committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah has profaned the sanctuary of the LORD which He loves and has married the daughter of a foreign god.

        12 “{As} for the man who does this, may the LORD cut off from the tents of Jacob {everyone} who awakes and answers, or who presents an offering to the LORD of hosts.

        13 “This is another thing you do: you cover the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping and with groaning, because He no longer regards the offering or accepts {it with} favor from your hand.

        14 “Yet you say, ‘For what reason?’ Because the LORD has been a witness between you and the wife of your youth, against whom you have dealt treacherously, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant.

        15 “But not one has done {so} who has a remnant of the Spirit. And what did {that} one {do} while he was seeking a godly offspring? Take heed then to your spirit, and let no one deal treacherously against the wife of your youth.

        16 “For I hate divorce, says the LORD, the God of Israel, “and him who covers his garment with wrong,” says the LORD of hosts. “So take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously.””

        17 You have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet you say, “How have we wearied {Him?} In that you say, “Everyone who does evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and He delights in them,” or, “Where is the God of justice?””

        http://www.thestudybible.org/Malachi-2/

    • Jennie Boxx

      call upon his name Jehovah PS 83:18.The only one true GOD.

    • Vis Fac

      Alondra Unfortunately the majority of Americans are depraved shun God and embrace immorality, hedonism, and sloth. Any mention of our Lord is banned form our public buildings and schools all places liberals control. Liberals are pushing acceptance of amoral activities in our schools and using the legal system to promote their agenda despite a lawful electoral decision. If their tenet isn’t accepted they sue to override the lawful electoral decision.

      The DOMONCRITIC Party has officially denounced God at their convention and refused to pray. I do not want ANY part of that evil. I will distance myself as far as possible and will continue to praise God and pray they see the light.

      I am secure knowing that God has given me security and comfort and when others are suffering I (and my family) will not, as will your’s

      A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

      • Charlie

        But you can’t basically tell others how to become a Christian PER The BOOK… You have been and are duped , deceived and deluded by the Satanic powers that be………….

        • KG

          I thought that was what the Methodist were all about. That they had a ‘Method’ for making people into Christians? And BTW ‘W’ was a Methodist.

          • WTS/JAY

            W was a Communist just like you, KG. Don’t you recognize your own “brother” when you see him?

        • Karolyn

          So anyone not Christian is of the devil. That is one of the reasons I gave up Christianity.

          • Charlie

            What’s the anti-Christ have to offer ? The first Commandment says you must go with God’s words or you are against him… See 1 John 2:22…………

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        So, in other words, you aren’t a Christian, Force.
        Christ taught tolerance towards other people, not intolerance as you are spouting. It is people like you who give Christians a bad name, and most of them don’t deserve it.

  • hungry4food

    Duncan: Still No Answers from IRS on Why Agents need
    AR-15s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XbrwBf8By08

    • red neck

      Let us not forget the BILLIONS of rounds of hollow point ammunition that have been recently purchased by the DHS… Some would say that this is fear-mongering ( Alex ) however I would proclaim that there must be an agenda because one does not just run off to the local Wal-Mart and buy ammunition in this amount without a reason… Same goes with the IRS ( International Radical Society ) purchase of thousands of fully automatic ( assault ) rifles… There must be an agenda!!!!

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Once you understand that Government is just the Biggest Gang in the land, everything they do becomes clearer.
        “To say governments were formed to protect the rights of men would be historically incorrect. Almost all governments were formed by ruthless men exerting their will over others through the use of force. Some governments, over time, evolved toward the rule of law, perhaps only because their rulers saw that this would sanction their own continued enjoyment of the wealth that they possessed. In some instances, this evolution involved one or more “revolutions” in which those who were governed were able to better establish the rule of law” — Clifford Thies

  • WTS/JAY

    Your mortgage documents are fake!

    Prepare to be outraged. Newly obtained filings from this Florida woman’s lawsuit uncover horrifying scheme…(Update)

    If you know about foreclosure fraud, the mass fabrication of mortgage documents in state courts by banks attempting to foreclose on homeowners, you may have one nagging question: Why did banks have to resort to this illegal scheme? Was it just cheaper to mock up the documents than to provide the real ones? Did banks figure they simply had enough power over regulators, politicians and the courts to get away with it? (They were probably right about that one.)

    A newly unsealed lawsuit, which banks settled in 2012 for $95 million, actually offers a different reason, providing a key answer to one of the persistent riddles of the financial crisis and its aftermath. The lawsuit states that banks resorted to fake documents because they could not legally establish true ownership of the loans when trying to foreclose.

    This reality, which banks did not contest but instead settled out of court, means that tens of millions of mortgages in America still lack a legitimate chain of ownership, with implications far into the future. And if Congress, supported by the Obama administration, goes back to the same housing finance system, with the same corrupt private entities who broke the nation’s private property system back in business packaging mortgages, then shame on all of us.

    The 2011 lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court in both North and South Carolina, by a white-collar fraud specialist named Lynn Szymoniak, on behalf of the federal government, 17 states and three cities. Twenty-eight banks, mortgage servicers and document processing companies are named in the lawsuit, including mega-banks like JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Citi and Bank of America…

    continued: http://www.salon.com/2013/08/12/your_mortgage_documents_are_fake/

  • JeffH

    Brandon Smith, I’d like to say “thank you”.

    As a young man, you’re articles and commentary are a breath of fresh air for lovers of freedom and liberty opposite of those that ingest the confusing propaganda of the progressive movement(communism?) that has infected our government and their crony corporate and media partners for over a century.

    The government is not here to help anyone but themselves and their crony partners in the criminal and treasonous acts perpetrated against every American citizen.

    Here is a another classic tid bit to be made against our American oligarchy government.

    Obama has yet to sign the UN Small Arms Treaty despite full support.
    Why?
    If Obama signed the treaty “he”(US) would be bound by it, despite the lack of support from Congress and the American people…and unable to send arms to the Muslim brotherhood in Syria, Egypt, Lybia and anywhere else the US supports the radical manipulation of regimes under the guise of “democracy”.

    He’ll sign it as soon as those shipments are secured and in progress, not before.

  • laura merrone

    When we left the wisdom of the Bible in the dust, well, this is what happened…and continues to happen. We used to be a Christian nation and yes, a Republic. When we became “world policeman” is when it started going downhill. I believe we should support Israel, but not monetarily. All aid to other countries too should end. We need to pull out of the Middle East for good. Concentrate on our own defense and that’s it. Don’t try to be an empire. All empires are evil. But I doubt we will do this; we like power too much. I sound a lot like Ron Paul, but he did have his good points. I think then that terrorism in general would be greatly reduced at least towards us.

    • Charlie

      laura,,, can you give us one good reason why American taxpayers should support the state of Israel ?

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        She did say — “but not monetarily”.

        • laura merrone

          Yes, should treat Israel equally with all the countries. Show them the light but don’t coerce them or bribe them into doing our bidding. Be a city on a hill and that’s it.

          • macgyver1948

            Laura.,. very nicely stated and if I may add since they are the only real democracy in that part of the world and one of our best allies we should help. To ignore our national friends will leave us internationally friendless and with no one to help us, should we be in the need.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The best thing we could do is to set an example for the rest of the world and be a moral peaceful nation.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH.. I so much agree but we cannot ignore the need for help from our friends but we much get out of their politics and their rights on how they should live.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            They’re not my friends, MacGyver. Give them your own money. Stay out of my pocket.
            http://mises.org/daily/4125

          • macgyver1948

            Laura, the opposite of what you suggest is suggesting isolationism and that will never work again. The Pauls would like that which is one reason I will not support any Paul. Rand is showing more so all the time he is not on our side.

          • JeffH

            The Pauls support isolationism? Not even close.

            Ron Paul is a non-interventionist and anti-isolationist.

            Ron Paul: Not an Isolationist but a Non-Interventionist
            http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-12-15/ron-paul-not-an-isolationist-but-a-non-interventionist/

            Ron Paul announces non-interventionist foreign affairs institute, declares: ‘The neo-con era is dead’
            http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2013/04/ron-paul-announces-non-interventionist-foreign-affairs-institute-declares-the-neo-con-era-is-dead/

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Don’t confuse MacGyver with facts, Jeff.

          • JeffH

            Rand Paul Mainstreams Non-Interventionism
            The junior senator takes a radically different foreign policy vision into the heart of the GOP.
            http://reason.com/archives/2013/02/05/rand-paul-mainstreams-non-interventionis

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            This statement by the 3 Neocon Amigos says it all — “Anyone seeking to restore our fiscal health should look at entitlements first, not across-the-board cuts aimed at our men and women in uniform”.
            Entitlements? Social Security? So the Neocons would starve the people whose money was involuntarily contributed to Social Security before they’d quit funding their Military Industrial Complex.
            Once people realize that Government is just a very large coercive Gang, then everything they do becomes clear.

          • macgyver1948

            JeffH… I have heard Ron Paul during his campaign say we need to say out of the rest of the world and stay within our own borders., Think whatever you want but you are missing something about them, lots of somethings.

          • JeffH

            You’re only hearing what you want to hear about Ron Paul and interpreting it the way you want to. Obviously you either picked only what you wanted from R. Paul or didn’t comprehend or listen to his complete explanation.

            Am I surprised? Not at all!

          • macgyver1948

            Oh JeffH… You are ASSuming again. I listen to and read a of of what the Pauls say. I was only being reliant to the conversation and giving an example which proves to me he cannot be trusted if he like and agrees with that pledge, and he does. I am just wondering why you aren’t wondering what else he is deceiving you about. That
            is what you too should be surprised about.

          • JeffH

            Sorry to dissappoint mac48, I’m assuming nothing. Like I said before, you only heard what you wanted to believe and you obviously haven’t read or heard anything other than the neo-con/liberals version of Ron Paul.
            Am I surprised? NOT!

          • macgyver1948

            JeffH… Say what you want, over and over again, but maybe some day you might get it right, if ever. You haven’t got a clue about how I derive at my conclusions and you go on and on proving that.

            You just do not want to agree with me, which might explain why you are so wrong about me and why you say the BS that you say about me. You too do not have that special God-given gift of mind reading, as many on your side think they have, to know what I really mean or how I come to what I believe. But if delusions of those on the Left floats your boat let your little programmed mind of yours get wrapped around
            that.

            Delusions do help the weak and not-allowing mind to cope. It is sad when people cannot take being wrong or even for them not to try to find out if there are other real things going on. Denial is your Right thing when your beliefs are challenged. It might be the easy and self fulfilling way for you. So sad but so natural for so many on your side.

          • JeffH

            Quite a rant there mac48…a meaningless rant that is.

            mac48 says “You haven’t got a clue about how I derive at my conclusions and you go on and on proving that.”

            You’re right about that…but having the understanding that most liberals and all progressives thoughts are pre-programmed with manipulating propaganda…I can guess can’t I? Usefull idiot comes to mind.

            I was just posting the actual facts as they really are about the Paul’s and my opinion about how you came to your conclusion…and you get all bent out of shape.

            Programmed mind? Mirror mac48, mirror!
            ROFLMAO!

            You probably believe that pigs can fly too!

            But, that’s just what I’ve come to expect from ignorant liberals and progressives.

          • macgyver1948

            JeffH…Again, of course it is meaningless to you even if you didn’t read it because you will not want to agree. That is fine, you do not have to agree with me, and I do not have to agree with you. I think that bit of Liberty is want you miss.

            So, you are suggesting I believing in flying pigs. As UN Kosher as you are I would say that the only flying pigs I see are the tightly closed-minded conservative pigs. Since you are so tightly closed-minded what do you think I am saying of you. I at least read conservative writers, going in with an open mind, but you and others
            like you see a piece written by a Left leaning writer you see only BS before going in. How can you learn anything that way. I learn even from fantasy Right Wing Tea Party writers such as Wayne Allen Root
            but I read him with an open mind going in and then I decide on all his mentioned issues separately. I feel so sorry for you since you have no room in your life for from-anywhere learning potentials.

            Your last line is “But, that’s just what I’ve come to expect from ignorant liberals and progressives”. See, you have life all labeled out and that is why you cannot really learn. You do severely limit yourself. What a pity your are in your self-imposed limitations. Who hurt you this badly?

          • WTS/JAY

            Ron Paul was not suggesting “isolationism” when speaking out against “Imperialism”, mac. Ron Paul was the only anti-war candidate running for president. More than that: he wanted to do away with overseas bases and reduce the military to the strictly defensive force envisioned in the Constitution; one that only wages wars Congress declares. He also wanted to dismantle the apparatus of empire and to halt American meddling in the affairs of foreign countries. This would entail, among other things, the end of all Bush-Obama wars, the demise of the military-industrial complex, and the termination of America’s virtually unconditional military, economic and diplomatic support for Israel.

            Wolf Blitzer: … when they write to me and they say, “Ron Paul is not an isolationist, he’s a non-interventionist”. Tell our viewers right now, once and for all, the difference between an isolationist and a non-interventionist.

            Ron Paul: An isolationist is a protectionist that builds walls around their country, they don’t like to trade, they don’t like to travel about the world, and they like to put sanctions on different countries. So some of the people who call me that, are actually much more in favor of sanctions and limited trade, they’re the ones who don’t want to trade with Cuba and they want to put sanctions on anybody who blinks their eye at them. And yet, the opposite is what we believe in, we believe Nixon did the right thing by opening up trade doors with China, because that is when we quit killing each other and we are more at peace, which we better be, because they have become our banker. So non-intervention is quite a bit different since what the founders advised was to get along with people, trade with people, and to practice diplomacy, rather than having this militancy of telling people what to do and how to run the world and building walls around our own country. That is isolationism, it’s a far cry from what we believe in.

            Wolf Blitzer: And just to be precise, you want to bring all the U.S. troops home, not just from Iraq and Afghanistan, but from Germany, Japan, South Korea and everyplace else around the world. Is that right?

            Ron Paul: Yea, because I believe in national defense and our first responsibility, and probably one of the major responsibilities of the federal government, is the national defense. And fighting these wars does not help us, I mean, getting bogged down in Afghanistan brought the Soviet Union to its knees, and is bringing us to our knees, too. We’ve been there for ten years and it’s contributing to this huge deficit that we have. Those wars over there have contributed 4 trillion dollars worth of debt in the last 10 years. So yea, I want to bring them home, and I think we’ll be stronger for it, I think we’ll have a stronger national defense and we’ll have a lot stronger economy. If we’re serious about straightening this mess up, we have to deal with foreign policy as well monetary policy and fiscal policy and tax policy.
            http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-12-15/ron-paul-not-an-isolationist-but-a-non-interventionist/

          • laura merrone

            Are we a republic or an empire? Empires meddle in the affairs of other countries. That’s why we are in the trouble we are in right now. Republics do self defense only. That’s why so many people were labeled “isolationists” before World War II. However, from the way thing are going we can’t continue being the world’s cop and still be a republic. If we are an empire, that means tyranny, lots of taxation, bread and circuses and moral decline is ours. Its just that simple. I’ve read a lot and it made me change my mind. That includes Ron Paul’s book. Read it and it is very convincing,.. Right now, we are violated the principles of our republic and our constitution and it won’t be long until it is abandoned completely. Mark my words…

          • macgyver1948

            laura merrone… You ask very good questions. I will try to answer but these are just my opinions based on my readings and research and of what I see going on. Officially we are a Republic but we do very well fit your definition of an Empire as well, much as the Roman Empire did, expanding an Empire’s base and power/control structure all over the world. The Romans did for the Empire and our Government does it for the Corporations. The Romans were very immoral about it and we, well, it depends on whether we are in favor of Plutocracy or not in how we each see it.

            That is very much why this country is in the trouble(s) we are in. Even when US corporations move their manufacturing systems overseas, so they can save tons of money over keeping them here, shows We The
            People are of little concern to the corporations except for our money in buying these made over seas products. It is “funny how we import American “made” products to our shores. Our Government supports
            this nut that is what many on our government is being paid to do by the Corporations. And the things our government does over seas to support this and other things for the corporations is pretty much the
            why we are in trouble with many in the world. It is also the Terrorists hate us so much and why non foreign terrorists suspect and fear us. The Middle East still tells themselves the terror stories of the Crusades by those terrorists who invaded them back then and we today still give them reasons to fear us.

            It also doesn’t help when we do not keep our word to our foreign friends and they feel betrayed by us. When President Nixon, for example, went to China and hugged Mao the deals Nixon made with China made Taiwan, our free non commie friends in that area, feel the betrayals. It was then and now about the best deals our government could make for our corporations. Walmart today is very happy in China today because of those deals Nixon made with the commies. I hope Nixon enjoyed hugging commies but we are paying for those hugs and deals today.

            You mention the pre WW2 isolationism. That cannot any longer work so we have to be involved but you are so right when you also say we cannot be the police force for the world. That will only generate more hate
            for us as it has been. We need to make our friends feel we will back them in military crisis’ but we must totally allow them to control their own countries. In that we need to be aware of how moral they conduct themselves and act accordingly with our favors but we cannot interfere any more than we would allow outsiders to interfere here.

            You say “If we are an empire, that means tyranny, lots of taxation, bread and circuses and moral decline is ours. It’s just that simple. I’ve read a lot and it made me change my mind. That includes Ron Paul’s book. Read it and it is very convincing”. I have read Ron Paul’s book a while ago too. There are numerous things about his foreign policies I agree with and some I do not. I agree with us not being the fuzz for the world and I like his idea to not interfere with other countries but he has said we should not get involved with
            any country because they are in threat of invasion, not militarily. If they are our friends we should get involved and I hate war, I think it is Man’s hugest sin, well the starting of them. I feel any preemptive strike for the purposes of full war is immoral.

            Even the immoral bush invasion of Iraq was wrong on so many levels and we are still paying the (daily) costs he encored for us today. I feel it was very Hitler like. And he has left us with major economic difficulty as well. One bit is where the little bush agve away tons
            of money to his big oil buddies. Whose monies was that for him to fulfill his “thanks for the campaign help” obligations? It’s funny, Oil company execs said any American who disproved of those pay backs is UN-American. Of course they would feel that way since
            Plutocracy is their ways.

            You end with “Right now, we are violated the principles of our republic and our constitution and it won’t be long until it is abandoned completely. Mark my words…”. Wow I fear you could be right and that scares me but our road toward Plutocracy is paved by our political intentions so it has to be up to We The People to stop it so we can get back to the Constitution the Founders meant for us. Some, such as little bush and Home Land Security have weakened the Constitution and I strongly consider that treasonous. Oh well, that is my opinion but I also strongly feel only We The People have the right to “adjust” our Constitution since it was written and
            fought for us so we would be protected from our Government and not the outer way around. So much for what the Founders wanted for us.

        • Charlie

          Well,, let Me add to the end of My question,,, “in any way”.. Time is money,,, bottom line is, it takes “Money” to help anyone especially if it’s Governmental OPM………..

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That is true.

          • macgyver1948

            Wow, a truism from Charlie… Whod a known, lol

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Laura says — “I sound a lot like Ron Paul, but he did have his good points”.
      Does that imply that you think he has bad points? Or am I reading too much into your statement?

  • Michael Shreve

    How the PUBLIC is BUYING moral bankruptcy as if it were shares in the Fountain of Youth.

    • red neck

      Yes and if you look at it closely you will find that this is one of the reasons that we now have an “elected” dictator…. The sheeple have chosen their “leader” that fits their will of contempt…

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Careful about all the morality campaigns, they can become more dangerous than the immorals themselves. The citizenry moan and groan about how evil society is growing and they plead that something must be done and sure enough the government will step in to curb immorality but for a price which is loss of freedom. The crimes after the Prohibition were worse than before the Prohibition. Hitler also trapped the Germans by waging moral campaigns against the strip clubs, the nightclubs, having the citizenry turn in people they deemed immoral.

        • KG

          Baptist don’t recognize the Pope as the head of the church…..and they don’t recognize each other in the strip club!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            The pope is not the head of the church. What is your concern that the Baptist rightly do not recognize the pope as head of the “church”? How would you know if the Baptists go to strip joints, you know a Baptist that does it and you follow him in?

          • KG

            There was a preacher by the name of Jimmy Swaggart and he was caught……………And he………………But the really freaky part was …………………………………………………………………………..
            ……………………………….Do you really want to know?

          • WTS/JAY

            There was a shill by the name of KG and he was caught……………And he………………But the really freaky part was …………………………………………………………………………..
            ……………………………….Do you really want to know? (-:

          • KG

            ROTFLMAO! AFK BRB LOL!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Pope is the “head” of the FALSE church.

          • macgyver1948

            Alandra…
            We sure do get onto religion so easily here. So, I am just asking.
            Are you referring to the Catholic Church? IF you are who is telling
            the truth? There were at least 2 Popes in history who said “The
            Protestants are betrayers of the true Church of Christ”. Many
            Catholics believe that because their church leaders say so as you
            might believe what you say because your church leaders say so. So,
            who is telling the truth if you claim, if it is the Catholic Church
            you are talking about, that they are a false church? You or them?

            Remember I am only asking so there is no need to get nasty.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            macgyver, I do not care what church “leaders” say. I care what God’s Word says.
            P.S. When I was nesty with you?
            Oh, I get it, you, liberals, call the TRUTH nastiness.
            And be careful to talk to me, because your “friend” Yo666 will not like it. He will troll you, check on you and “reproach”.

          • Karolyn

            OMG! Lighten up already! People might ask you not to be nasty because that is your routine way of responding to many peoples’ posts. Is it possible for you to be any other way?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            K: “Is it possible for you to be any other way?”
            Not with an ignoromus pervert idiots like you.

            “Answer a stupid ACCORDING to HER idiocy, lest her be wise in his own eyes.” – King Solomon (Proverbs 26:5)

          • Dave

            Ok… who has crazy Alondra’s meds?
            She obviously needs them more than usual tonight.
            What a racist buffoon she is.

          • WTS/JAY

            And this, coming from a racist. Priceless!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            This is for your Relaxation, boy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKK9ZT1ARMk

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            I do not use contraceptives, boob. So you can offer them to your husband.

          • Karolyn

            What would Jesus think of your anger and hatred Alondra? Are we not supposed to be more like him? You throw around quotes from the Bible and historical figures using them like weapons. I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone quite as mean as you. Do you speak to people like this in person?

          • Dave

            Karolyn,
            Please do not confuse Alondra with anything that Jesus Christ stood for.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            “I will declare to them: ‘I NEVER knew you; DEPART from Me, you WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS.” – Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:21-23)

            “Them” are you, big pervert K and alike.

            P.S. Both just look at mirror.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            “I will declare to them: ‘I NEVER knew you; DEPART from Me, you WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS.” – Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:21-23)

            “Them” are you, big pervert K and alike.

            P.S. Both just look at mirror.

          • Dave

            ^Alondra^ the angry anti-Christ is spouting off again.

          • WTS/JAY

            Dave, the fairytale, being dumb as usual.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Jay, let him practice his anti-Christians rents. He has to earn his carrot from his master.

          • Dave

            Me and Obama are just laughing our arses off with the SS as we jet towards France on your tax dollars…
            I promise I will send pictures from Provence France as we learn how to convert idiots like you to like being happy under an authoritarian socialist regime.
            Oh BTW, I am getting Obama to send the IRS to audit you and the NSA to spy on you. So hide that donkey.

          • WTS/JAY

            Obama is not laughing with you, Dave, Obama is laughing at you, dumbbell!

          • Dave

            LOL… Me and Obama agreed that we will take your $35 dollars in life savings and give it to Alondra… Just to spread the wealth and screw with both of you.
            You two idiots should go on the road together… The Dumb and Dumber tour 2013

          • WTS/JAY

            We already know that you and Obama are couple of thieves, Dave. We also know that you are a couple of racist-bigots. You’re not telling us anything knew, Dave!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Good, I am veeeeery happy for BOTH. Oh, add the big K to that list. Have a fun.

            P.S. I traveled to Spain and Israel for MY money and My conscience do not bothers me.

          • WTS/JAY

            I wonder if they both enjoy a good cigarette after their sexual embrace?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            But did not he say that he has a husband?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Halleluiah!!!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Oh, dave, keep exposing your liberal ignorance.

          • Dave

            Nope, just exposing your anti-Christ attitudes… I hope you have plenty of sunblock when you get to hell.

          • WTS/JAY

            When conversing with the likes of you, Dave, Alondra would be better served with a crucifix and cloves of garlic.

          • Dave

            Boo!!! That scared a little rabbit like you didn’t it?

          • WTS/JAY

            No, not really. Racist bigots like you don’t scare me so much as they disgust me!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Oh, this is a massage from your master?
            Tell him I am very scared. And if you will not stop to shame me now, then I am going to blush.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Are you afraid of glare, Dave?

          • Dave

            Nah, I have sunshades at my house and trees around my pool… Glare isn’t too much of an issue… when I have my waterfall going… its quite relaxing actually.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Did the taxpayers build that waterfall, Dave?

          • Dave

            Nope, I designed it with the help of the homebuilder and Shasta pools built it. In the summer, its my favorite room in the house… But I am sure your retirement checks come from the good graces of the taxes the people in your country pay. Is it tough living in a retirement home on the tax payers dime because you are useful to no one now? With your attitudes on things?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Do you keep Karolyn with you?

          • Dave

            Why would I do that Alondra???? Oh… I forgot… you are crazy that making crazy statements is what you do.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And there you have it, Folks — The typical “compassionate” Liberal Progressive who wants to run your life.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Yep. The typical !!!

          • Dave

            I am compassionate to those who need compassion… that leaves you out DaveH8

          • WTS/JAY

            Yup, that’s compassionate alright! LOL!!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sure, Dave, there goes that nose again. Soon you won’t be able to project past it.

          • WTS/JAY

            Dave can forget about having a face to face with Obama. Won’t happen; why with the noses bumping and all!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave gives new meaning to the phrase “nosy Government”.

          • WTS/JAY

            He can barely muster a coherent thought. Say, isn’t that a prerequisite to joining the liberal-progressive party?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            He just is too dizzy from his success.

          • WTS/JAY

            What success? Oh you mean, robbing poor people?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            WHAT success?
            From the attention of three conservative “loons”

          • Dave

            “loons” that is the first accurate thing you have said in a while Crazy Alondra

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            I am glad I satisfied you, boy.
            Maybe this night you will sleep peacefully.

          • WTS/JAY

            Yup, you’re a loon alright! You’re also a dumbbell, but you knew that already, didn’t you?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Jay, do not aim at his self-esteem. He was taught
            that he is genius.

          • WTS/JAY

            His tutors told him he was an ignoramus, but Dave thought it meant genius.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            You are the loon. Now shut up and go home, boy. BTW, here are some interesting facts about our country.
            http://www.politicaloutcast.com/2013/08/washington-post-writer-wrong-about-religion-america-and-the-constitution/
            http://www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/the-bible-and-government
            I guess you and your ilk are left out of the picture again. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “Profaneness and blasphemy are offences, punishable by fire and by imprisonment. Christianity is a part of the common law.”
            James Wilson
            Signer of the Constitution
            Supreme Court Justice
            Devout Christian

          • Dave

            You are simply Anti-American just like DaveH8, Alondra and Jay.
            Your BS sources are hardly unbiased and the founders of this country put in the first amendment for as reason. They do not want any religion to be a state sponsered entity. Unlike your fascist self.
            If that is the kind of Gov you want, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia are ready to welcome you.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            No response possible due to lack of intellectual content by Dave. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

          • Dave

            yes, your awesome intelligence is just too much me… you and the other two stooges.
            You conservatives just make it too easy

          • WTS/JAY

            We’re trying to make it as easy as possible, Dave, but you still don’t get it; do you? A disgusting and ignorant racist like you will never be welcomed at PLD!

          • Dave

            Projecting again my little white robe wearing racist….

          • WTS/JAY

            I think you have me confused with Obama, Dave!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As a matter of fact, my retirement checks do come from the current taxpayers — Thanks to you Liberal Progressives who have stolen the Social Security funds.
            And I will never be too old to be less useful than you, Dave, because you are useless.

          • Dave

            DaveH8, you don’t live in the United States. Stop pretending like you do… You are like Mr Meyers… a foreign agitator trying to tear the country apart.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            For those young people who haven’t yet caught on to what Dave and his Liberal Progressive ilk have done to you:
            http://finance.yahoo.com/news/health-care-laws-success-rests-040100677.html

          • WTS/JAY

            So now you hate immigrants too, uh Dave? No surprise here!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Racist !!!

          • Dave

            No, I just fiind it comical that mises boy and and some of the prominent writers here are not American yet act like they are Americans…
            I can only wonder about their true motivations.
            I at least love this country… DaveH8 can’t get passed himself.

          • WTS/JAY

            You love this country? Yet you hate it’s citizens and any immigrant that doesn’t agree with you. How then can you claim to love your country?

          • Dave

            No Jay, I don’t hate any group… I single ignoramuses like you and Alondra out because of the stupidity you type out.

          • WTS/JAY

            Your english needs a little work, Dave. )-:

          • dave

            As does your history, politics, grasp of reality, intelligence

          • WTS/JAY

            How would you know that when you can barely read and write?

          • Dave

            its obvious by your lack of knowledge of history and reality that reading and comprehension are not your strong suit.
            I just hope that they have a training program that involves really large letters and colors for the stock boy position that you are only qualified for.

          • WTS/JAY

            Dave: I just hope that they have a training program that involves really large letters and colors for the stock boy position that you are only qualified for.

            Are you still on this training-program, Dave?

          • Dave

            Nope, I am just making more money than you because I have talent. You enjoy your I bedroom apartment… I am heading into the pool with my kids. My 7 year old is smarter than you are and that makes me feel good.

          • WTS/JAY

            How would you know you make more money than me, Dave? A 1 bedroom apartment? Don’t you find that a little cramped? Are you saying you have the mentality of a 7 year old? You must be progressing. Good for you!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Yeah, you definitely have a talent for stupidity. I can’t choose who is a winner – you or big K.

            I have no doubt that your 7-year old is smarter than you are.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            WHY are you spending so much time on “ignoramuses”?

          • Dave

            Its entertaining… for the moment.
            Why aren’t you in church? Does your skin burn off when you enter?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            I have my own chapel. I do not need pope.
            I guess you are attending mosque weekly?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            You hate Christians, the Bible, Jesus, God, American exceptionalism, our Christian founding fathers, our founding documents, anyone who doesn’t see things your way, Alondra, Jay, Dave H., Jeff H., myself, and a whole trove of others. Speaking of stupidity, have you looked in the mirror and actually read your comments before you post them? We don’t think so. Just go ahead and put your worthless backside back to bed. The first mistake you make, everyday, is getting out of bed. Are you more than 65 Dave? Be careful as not to have your name come up on one of Obama bin Laden’s death panel decisions. Speaking of this, there is nothing wrong with taking your kids to church when they are younger. It shows you care about where they go in the afterlife, but it seems you don’t care what happens to yours. BTW, here is an article about that very same subject. Why would you libturds and progturds force kids to pray to Obama bin Laden?
            http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/08/obama-is-great-obama-is-good-kid-offers-prayer-to-barack-obama/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “Here, the people are masters of government; elsewhere, the government is master of the people.”
            James Wilson
            Signer of the Constitution
            Supreme Court Justice
            Devout Christian

          • Dave

            Theocrat,

            You are just a sad little controlling conservative just like your friends on this board including DaveH the atheist.

            I don’t hate any fairytales Theocrat, but when you try and force your religion on me or on my Gov, then we have a problem… 1st Amendment and all,

            But this is a free country and you can lie all you wish about me. I just know that you are an Anti-American theocrat and I thank god, Jesus, Mohammad, Santa Claus, the tooth fairy that an idiot like you in not in charge.

          • WTS/JAY

            I guess you skipped over the parts where Jesus clears out the temple of the money-grubbing, liberal-progressive-bankers, uh Karolyn?

          • Dave

            LOL… liberal progressive??? What a dunce… Jesus was the liberal progressive of his day…
            What an idiot…

          • WTS/JAY

            Jesus was a liberal-progressive? Jesus never stole from the poor to give to the rich, unlike the liberal-progressives of today. Again, dumbbell, you are projecting!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            They must project. How else would their words get past their long noses?

          • WTS/JAY

            ROFLMAO!!!!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            D’oh! :-) :-) :-) Dave H., that one made me spew coffee on my desk. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

          • Dave

            DaveH8,
            Feel free to tell me all about Jesus’s conservative ways….
            Jesus talked about everyone sharing the wealth, not judging others…
            So please tell me how that fits into the conservative ideology.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Hardly, Dave. Jesus had morals. All you Liberal Progressives have is your insane desire to keep your hands in other peoples’ pockets and make their choices.

          • Dave

            LOL… DaveH8, I am quite confident in my morality. Since you don’t know me or my kids and how I raise them, I say you are talking out of your rectum again. I will put the morals of liberals against the racist, anti-freedom history of conservatives anyday.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            WOW !!!
            You have kids? Did not you abort them?!
            Are you a women-hater? This is a war on woman!

          • Dave

            Yes, I do and I can tell by your complete stupidity that I am a much better parent than you could ever be.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            If a father tells his kids there is no God, Jesus, Angels, Heaven, or the Bible is just a bunch of fairy tales, then that person is NOT S GOOD FATHER. I have 4 kids and I’ll bet I was a better father than you, in fact, I still am the better father. Here is an article about your pretender in the White House.
            http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/congressman-we-could-impeach-obama/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants. The Divine Law forms an essential part of both.”
            James Wilson
            Signer of the Constitution
            Supreme Court Justice
            Devout Christian

          • Dave

            Hey Theocrat,

            I let my kids decide for themselves when they are adults which religion if any to follow. Afterall, if you feel the need to brainwash a child at an early age, how strong is your religion?

            Night night American Taliban

          • Charlie

            Dave ,,, one CANNOT be brainwashed with “”Truth””,,, King Jesus Christ is God ,,, God is “Truth”… The water of Baptism , which represents The shed Blood of King Jesus Christ , washes One with “Truth” and Life………………….

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            “Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, for HE DESPISES THE WISDOM” – King Solomon (Proverbs 23:9)

          • macgyver1948

            Alandra, I am not sure if you understand the abortion issue here. There are those who are denying women their personal and health rights. They are the woman haters. Abortion is a personal choice and not a demand.

            It should be a choice between a woman and her doctor, not other people and certainly not politicians. Some time women and young girls who become pregnant feel they have no other choice. Before laws such as Roe VS. Way, whatever the spelling, girls went to back alley butchers to get aborted and many died. That is what we will have again if all abortions are out lawed. After that it will be what their conscience can handle and what their God will decide but we humans were give Free Will (Choice) by God.

            Personally I am not for abortion as a means of birth control but I will fight for the rights of women.

          • Dave

            Mac,

            I think by now you realize that Alondra in mentally unstable and uses her religion as a crutch because he is an extremely angry and sad person. I just hope when Obamacarefully kicks in, she can get the help she needs… Its obviously a pre-existing condition. Unfortunately, she will most likely be a racist and a bigot for the rest of her sad life.

          • macgyver1948

            Dave (Guest)… I can be very respective toward even those who are not respective and speak in general terms for a while. Alandra said she was using English as a third language which hints that she is not
            from here so I thought she had problems using English. Other than that I can easily see she has problems accepting differing points of view and she expresses her feelings in hateful and childish ways. A
            lot of people on here are like that so I didn’t notice a lot of difference in her.

            Soon we will start to see who is more right about Obamacare, the Right or the Left. In the mean time we will just know that it will cost the corporations more and that is why the Right is against it. We will see if the rest of us should be for or against it. I do not think Alandra is qualified for it.

            Many people on the Right use their (how they choose to) religious believe(s) as a crutch and excuse (to be impolite and all knowing) for what they believe, religiously and politically, and how they act to justify however they react. It is not at all Godly of them but when they CANNOT be wrong it is how they are.

          • Charlie

            Alondra ,,, You are light years ahead of these heathens because you read The Bible …

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… I read my bible, just not your bible much these days but I have read them in the past. You continue to embarrass yourself by missing simple truths such as that especially since it has been explained to you many times in simple English, Now are you too going to put me down as you too might accuse me of trying to give you an English
            Lesson? No way will I be an English teacher, not that there is anything wrong with that but its just not me, but I was accuses by a S*HMUCK on here for doing just that, LOL… Is it too tough for you to comprehend simple English Charlie? LOL

            A couple of simple questions for you Charlie. Is he/she really a “heathen” if he/she believes in the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, according to the Torah and all of Hebrew bible? Moses did just
            that and the three I just mentioned did and so did your Jesus. Would you call your Jesus a heathen in this case for believing in Torah and teaching it as a rabbi should (meaning not your way)? That seems to
            be what you are saying to Alondra about those you claim she as light years ahead of in this comment of yours? LOL

          • Charlie

            Mac ,,, Alondra reads The Bible with some in contexts harmony… NOW? lets see IF? you can do the same with some Scriptures,,, with your warped mind read John 8:37–49,,, King Jesus speaks of Abraham and others in these verses … Tell us how the Bloodline of all these people at John 8:37–49 tie together AND, how the Edomites were ” Separated ” and “”Cursed”” FOREVER!
            These Pharisees spoken of were Edomite Jews… OK,,,
            Maco here’s your chance ,,, show off your Bible Intelligence with verse numbers and your interpretations…
            IF? you can’t We will put some light year intelligence out there for you to prove wrong ,,right from The Book you use and The Book I use………………………………

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie (Guest):… You are the usual Charlie trip. I told you I do not believe in your scriptures. They are not true to me because they are books of your Jesus and I do not worship or believe in him. How many times do you need to be told that before you get it? And how many times do you need to be told before you get that your bible cannot be my bible? God forbids it for Jews because of your subject matter, mainly your Jesus. It is a mortal sin for Jews to believe in Jesus, I have told you that before too. So again why are you trying to get Jews to commit mortal sins? Read and try to understand the Golden Calf story and also try to understand the first two of the Ten Commandants. Maybe you will see it for Jews anyway, not for you.

            You will never agree with me but I feel where Jesus is quoted in your bible there has been some editing of his wordings in places. The man was a rabbi so his teachings were of Torah and he quoted God where in
            many places you might think he was talking about himself. Whether a religious leader is Muslim, Christian, Jewish one of the things they have in common is that they quote their respective scriptures when they preach or teach as they were taught and have learned.

            This I do agree with. See if you understand.

            If Jesus was a Rabbi, a teacher of Judaism – of Torah (The First Five Books of The Hebrew Bible, also known as The Five Books Of Moses to some) for all his life, and he said things like ‘I have not come to take the law (the law being Torah) but to keep it’ (In Matthew 5:17, Jesus said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the
            law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Til heaven and earth pass, one dot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”) and Luke
            16:17, “It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one dot of the Law to become void”,
            never during his life changing his belief in, his love for, or his expression of Torah, according to what is written in The New Testament, how can Paul, a mere mortal, contradict so much, the word(s) of Jesus? Is Jesus to be proven wrong by a mere mortal, in the views of Christians? Since Jesus quoted Torah, ultimately God, I won’t ever think so, but then, as a Jew, I do not believe in Jesus! How can those who do believe in Jesus except Paul’s obvious contradictions of Jesus? Paul, in my view, is being accepted as being right, therefore, Jesus would have to be wrong while he was
            alive. How can Jesus, according to Christians, be wrong?

            Do you understand what “(In Matthew 5:17, Jesus said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy the law, but to
            fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Til heaven and earth pass, one dot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”) and Luke 16:17, “It
            is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one dot of the Law to become void” means?

            Simple question, again to you. Do Heaven and Earth still exist? You Paul/Saul must not think so and so so those who believe him (per Paul/Saul’s mission trip on the road to Damascus). Since we are here
            talking about it I believe Heaven and Earth do still exist but how can you agree with that since I am the one asking? Also, since Heaven and Earth still both exist how can any Christian disagree with Jesus while he was alive and replace Torah with a man, your Jesus? Well, unless you believe Paul/Saul instead of your Jesus, I in now way do believe Paul/Saul. See, that is one of the contradictions I see in your bible let alone the many between your bible and mine.

            I do not know your bible as well as I hope you do, for you at least in words if not in understanding, since I haven;t read them in a long time so I will look up what you ask of those scriptures, even though I do not believe in your Christian Messiah, (Jesus ain’t the Hebrew Messiah or Hebrew King, he never was either of those but I told you if you want to call him the Christian Messiah or Christian King go for it since I bet most Jews would not care). He really did not come
            to Earth for us Jews as you would like for all to believe, he was just born an all human baby to two mortal biological parents. But you believe whatever you like, I would not care about that either.

            Isn’t that nice for Alondra, she reads her bible, I am happy for her too.

            See ya soon Charlie (Guest):, have a great evening… :-)

          • Charlie

            Mac ,,, King Jesus Christ is in every book of The Old Testament and New… King Jesus Christ is a Bloodline Jew ,,, of the 4 types of Jews pointed out in The New Testament ,,, which type are you ???

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie (Guest):… Sorry to disagree with you (not really) but once again I am telling you Jesus is not anywhere in the Hebrew Bible or what you
            guys renamed the Old Testament, Jews do not call our Bible that. PLEASEEEE show me where you think he is, name the scriptures in the Hebrew Bible.

            Sorry dude but you are still delusional if you believe he is any place in the Hebrew Bible. I will not argue that Jesus was a Jew thorough his mom Mary but only Mary if your bible is correct about the immaculate
            conception and his demigod status. Bet you should remember Jews do not believe in demi-gods, or in this case singular, or any form of immaculate or divine conceptions as you guys do. It is like believing in the gods on the Greek mountain Olympus for us and they were a myth to us also.

            You are just as much saying that Jesus is in the Hebrew Bible as some on here say Jesus is mentioned in the Constitution and it is so clear there too that he isn’t in any way. God is but there is no Jesus in the Constitution as well as not in the Hebrew Bible. WOW, I felt the need to be repetitive, lol…. Please point out where in the Hebrew Bible you are confused about that.

          • Charlie

            Mac ,,, with your dictionary it would be hard to prove anything… Your dictionary is a 1 page book that says ” A word means what I say it means,,, when I want it to mean something else….. OK? SO? to make things simple , lets agree with what “”Words”” mean according to Normal Dictionaries…
            According to your Bible are Jacob and Esau named as twin brothers ??? See Genesis 25:22–34 ? What kind of Jews does Genesis 49:8 point out?………… The Man , Jacob, was renamed Israel by God, so ? the Man Jacob Israel is one Man?…… What does the word “Shiloh” mean as used in Genesis 49:10??… Warning !!! you are being set up to prove your “Ignorance” of YOUR Bible… OK? can you answer the questions per Your Bible definitions ??

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie (Guest):… You are funny Charlie, really you are. Ok, Let’s do this but I am still waiting for you to show anywhere in the Hebrew Bible your Jesus is mentioned. Jesus is not at all mentioned in the US
            Constitution and he is nowhere in the Hebrew Bible except in your mind but I would like to see where in the Hebrew Bible you imagine Jesus is.

            Ok again, let’s do this do this (since you are setting me up to prove my ignorance).

            Let’s start with where you started in your comment – are Jacob and Esau named as twin brothers ??? See Genesis 25:22–34 ?
            For Reference sake so you can follow along with some extras so you do not feel too much out of context.

            Genesis
            Chapter
            25 בְּרֵאשִׁית

            19 And
            these are the generations of Isaac, Abraham’s son: Abraham begot Isaac.

            20 And
            Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah, the daughter of Bethuel the Aramean, of Paddan-aram, the sister of Laban the Aramean, to be his wife.

            21 And
            Isaac entreated the LORD for his wife, because she was barren; and the LORD let Himself be entreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived.

            22 And the children struggled together within her; and she said: ‘If it be so, wherefore do I live?’ And she went to inquire of the LORD.

            23 And the LORD said unto her: Two nations are in thy womb, and two peoples shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve
            the younger.

            24 And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.

            25 And the first came forth ruddy, all over like a hairy mantle; and they called his name Esau.

            26 And after that came forth his brother, and his hand had hold on Esau’s heel; and his name was called Jacob. And Isaac was threescore years old when she bore them.

            27 And the boys grew; and Esau was a cunning hunter, a man of the field; and Jacob was a quiet man, dwelling in tents.

            28 Now Isaac loved Esau, because he did eat of his venison; and Rebekah loved Jacob.

            29 And Jacob sod pottage; and Esau came in from the field, and he was faint.

            30 And Esau said to Jacob: ‘Let me swallow, I pray thee, some of this red, red pottage; for I am faint.’ Therefore was his name called Edom.

            31 And Jacob said: ‘Sell me first thy birthright.’

            32 And Esau said: ‘Behold, I am at the point to die; and what profit shall the birthright do to me?’

            33 And Jacob said: ‘Swear to me first'; and he swore unto him; and he sold his birthright unto Jacob.

            34 And Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentils; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way. So Esau despised his birthright.

            888

            For your slow convenience Charlie –

            24 And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.

            25 And the first came forth ruddy, all over like a hairy mantle; and they called his name Esau.

            26 And after that came forth his brother, and his hand had hold on Esau’s heel; and his name was called Jacob. And Isaac was threescore years old when she bore them.

            So Charlie, the answer is yes per 24 “there were twins in her womb”.

            Are you following me Charlie or am I going to fast for you?

            Your next question “What kind of Jews does Genesis 49:8 point out?…………”

            Genesis Chapter 49 בְּרֵאשִׁית

            1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said: ‘Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the end of days.

            2 Assemble yourselves, and hear, ye sons of Jacob; and hearken unto Israel your father.

            3 Reuben, thou art my first-born, my might, and the first-fruits of my strength; the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power.

            4 Unstable as water, have not thou the excellency; because thou wentest up to thy father’s bed; then defiledst thou it–he went up to my couch. {P}

            5 Simeon and Levi are brethren; weapons of violence their kinship.

            6 Let my soul not come into their council; unto their assembly let my glory not be united; for in their anger they slew men, and in their self-will they houghed oxen.

            7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce, and their wrath, for it was cruel; I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.{P}

            8 Judah, thee shall thy brethren praise; thy hand shall be on the neck of thine enemies; thy father’s sons shall bow down before thee.

            9 Judah is a lion’s whelp; from the prey, my son, thou art gone up. He stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as a lioness; who shall rouse him up?

            10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet, as long as men come to Shiloh; and unto him shall the obedience of the peoples be.

            By the way, all this is from a Hebrew Bible with no Christian bible added as it was originally written and always supposes to be. Your bible is not even a continuation of ours as we know it to this day. I
            am not sure what your bible did in its editing but there was only one kind of Jew in those days. Where in 49:8 point , or around it, does it talk about “kinds of Jews? I see here only the mention of enemies of this family of Jews. Also there is a “deviding in Jacob”. I wonder, did 49:7 confuse your mind? If it did it doesn’t take much and more is understandable about you.

            Next question – “The Man , Jacob, was renamed Israel by God, so ? the Man Jacob Israel is one Man?……”

            WOW, you are simpl;e. YES, the man Jacob l was renamed by God to Israel and he was one man. Any young Hebrew school or Yasheva student would know
            this. I went to Yasheva for a few years from kindergarten and then in the 2nd grade, because of financial reasons, I was transferred to public school and went to Hebrew school 4 evenings a week until a couple of years after my Bar Mitzvah.

            Next and the last in your series here – “What
            does the word “Shiloh” mean as used in Genesis 49:10??…”.

            Genesis 49:10 again for you – The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet, as long as men come to Shiloh; and unto him shall the obedience of the peoples be.

            Doesn’t “Shiloh” look like a place to you?

            OK Charlie. Now it is you turn again since I have asked you a few times in the past and now again. “Where in The Hebrew Bible are you confused about Jesus being mention? You are confused about his being
            mentioned in the US Constitution too but that is another issue that is confusing you. It will be easy for your mind to show it because you believe it so much but why do not any Rabbis see it nor any
            student of the Hebrew Bible ANY WHERE? The name of Jesus or Christ in NO where in actually word or thought or intent within the entire Hebrew Bible. Why do you so much need justification for your believes
            that you have to make up scripture meanings in other religion’s Bibles? Do you not really have enough faith in your bible and in your faith that you NEED to do this?

            Your delusions are why I think there is a bed in some state mental institution with your name on it. IF I want to understand any Christian Bible better I will ask a Catholic Priest or a Protestant minister. If I want to understand the Hebrew Bible better I will ask a rabbi. I will not ask anyone who has disillusions of the Hebrew
            faith or our bible.

            Charlie. More simply put so your little delusional mind might be able to understand. PLEASE stay out of The Hebrew Bible. Find other ways in other places to justify your beliefs and bible. You just do not understand reality by making it up to justify what you want justified if it isn’t how you would want it in the first place and expect people to see credibility within you. Sorry Charlie.. Life just doesn’t work like that in a sane world but you are entitled to your delusions for yours.. :-)

          • Charlie

            Mac ,,, well it appears you used your dictionary again,,, check out the word Jew and you will find out it comes from the Name “Judah”… All people born from the lineage of Judah are bloodline “Jews”… OK ,,, now , go to most any Bible Dictionary and you will find out “Shiloh” is Jesus … OK ,,, so you don’t believe it,,. So who are We going to believe ??? Maco ? who does’t even know a Semite from a Shelanites ? OR?? … Now ,,,, look at Genesis 3:21 . God had to shed blood to get the skins off those animals…
            Does this blood relate to The Blood of King Jesus Christ ?
            Maco have you gone wako over this Jew day oh Christianity ???

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie (Guest):… Not my personal dictionary but one that is used in Hebrew schools and Synagogues and temples. Nice try though.

            You say, and it is very after the fact after the end of the Hebrew Bible, “OK ,,, now , go to most any Bible Dictionary and you will find out “Shiloh” is Jesus …”. Why, because you say so you attempt to prove and justify somethings in your bible that you cannot
            prove for real?

            How easy is it to take something out of context and say what you need it to mean. I will not defy or insult God to help you make stuff up because your ego needs to prove what you say. Sorry Charlie but you are a fraud. If you want to believe that go for it but you do need to
            justify what you say and you do that just by making up meanings in other people’s bibles. The joke that is you always gets bigger as you write.

            LMAO with you. You say “So who are We going to believe ??? Maco ? who does’t even know a Semite from a Shelanites ? OR?? … Now ,,,, look at Genesis 3:21 . God had to shed blood to get the skins
            off those animals… Does this blood relate to The Blood of King Jesus Christ ?”

            LOL. I am not asking you to believe me but the Hebrew Bible is not at all saying what Charlie says as proof of what he wants the world to bel9ieve without any other thing of reality to back him up. The stuff you say for Jews is crap you stuffed into your mind. Believe it if
            you want to for yourself but do not lie about what is in the Hebrew Bible to get your BS across to Jews.

            You say “Maco ? who does’t even know a Semite from a Shelanites ?” Really Charlie, do you really believe that? Well, I believe you and reality are like fire and water. Those two cannot work at all well together.

            Genesis Chapter 3:בְּרֵאשִׁית 21
            actually says “And the LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins, and clothed them”. I
            get these from the actual Hebrew Bible that we get from Synagogues and real book stores. What you get is a remake of Torah and the Hebrew bible, seemingly edited for you to justify what your bible says or it just comes out of your delusional mind, but I will address
            what you say. Buy I must ask now. Why can’t you use what God gave Moses as the Hebrew Bible?

            Your mistaken version of Genesis 3:21. God had to shed blood to get the skins off those animals…
            Does this blood relate to The Blood of King Jesus Christ ?”

            NO, not at all. If it is in the Hebrew Bible it CANNOT “relate to The Blood of King Jesus Christ” or any other part of him?” He wasn’t born for centuries yet but God says The Hebrew Messiah will come in his time. Not when you, Charlie, want to prove something that isn’t
            true with ONLY words that have to be wrong to Jews because God is saying so, not me. And a real Hebrew Messiah has not at all been her on Earth yet. It is you who is using a false dictionary. You do rationalize beyond the limits to justify your stuff. See my Indiana
            Jones statement below. Prove me wrong in that.

            Indiana Jones is really going around the world asking people “what is in your wallet?”. Jones is an icon symbol for Capital One Finance. Indy Jones wants everyone in the world to join the Capital One Finance family. If Jones sheds blood in the process be careful around that spill because it is his blood. I say so therefore it is true. I am doing the Charlie thing. I am not sure Capital One Finance existed when Indiana was (in the movies) running around but that doesn’t
            matter because I am using Charlie logic. LOL

            You cannot makes up definitions to prove yourself Charlie but you do try.You lose credibility as you do and you are way down in the negative range already in that already.

            By the way, the word “Shiloh” is no where mentioned in the real Genesis Chapter 3:בְּרֵאשִׁית so could you have mistyped the chapter?

          • Charlie

            Mac ,,, HEy!! ,,,stay on point ,,. your brain is rattling on , way off Bible points…. Have you got a Strong’s Bible Concordance ?? Have you got any Bible Dictionaries ???
            Well!!! no wonder your ignorant…. “Shiloh” is at Genesis 49:10, notice it is word number 7886 at Genesis 49:10 , and word number 7887 at the many other places used in The Holy Bible of The Almighty God…. So??? here is another example of “Words” meanings , that you don’t understand… Got that?? Genesis 3:21 is animal blood,,, Genesis 49:10 is Jesus in another “”Word””…. Go have a German beer and relax your mind a little and make another Maco wako comment… The Bible says it’s OK to drink ,,,but don’t get drunk,,, so that means you’re not going to drink much… Paul said a little wine is good for your gut…………………………

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Thank you Charlie.
            Yes, I love to read Bible. It’s like to speak with God or better to say like I am in His class-room.
            Blass be the Name of LORD.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            1) Thank you for spelling my name correctly.
            2) I am not “he”. I am “she”
            3) I do NOT want “obamacarefully” even for free.
            4) My pre-existing condition: Faithfull, Positive, Joyful, CheerfulHappy. Walk without help; See without glesses; Hear without hearing aid.

            5) Christian Bigot, homophobe and islamophobe for the rest of my life.

          • Karolyn

            Joyful???Positive?? Cheerful and happy?? How can someone claim to be so and disparage and judge people the way you do? Wow! (shaking head)

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Keep barking bitter and pitiful PERVERTED and DEPRAVED liberal.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            First, spell my name correctly, because one letter changes the meaning. And then we will discuss if I “understand the abortion issue.”

          • macgyver1948

            It was a typo but ok Alondra but what is this here when people are more concerned with spelling than they are for the issues. Anything to distract from what can be of help and may be right. Go where ever to discuss the abortion issues if spelling is more important to you. I just lost interest in discussing it with you.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            I hope you not lost your appetite.

          • Charlie

            Mac ,,, there you go again mixing some Truth with a bunch of lies……………………………..

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You have no morality, Dave. If you did you wouldn’t be using Government as your Proxy Thieves.
            You would know all about rectums since that is where your head is at most of time.
            Wait till your kids find out what you’ve done to their futures. It won’t be pretty.

          • Dave

            LOL… you are angry tonight DaveH8…Whats the matter? They showing “Dirty Old men” in the theater room at the home for the 8th time?
            The jello is too hard?
            Poor delusional DaveH8. One day you will join us here is the 21st century. the 1800’s are over.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More Liberal Progressive laughing. Do you really think that childish manipulation influences anybody other than your ignorant fellow Progressive Followers, Dave?
            Angry? More like mystified that anybody could be so darned ignorant and hateful, and yet consider themselves to be “compassionate”.
            It really bothers you, doesn’t it, Dave, that most of the people here have your number?

          • macgyver1948

            Dave, I am also very confident in my morality too so what “they say” about it doesn’t matter either. Mine has been challenged here too because I will not just agree with them. SO, who cares?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            She skipped ALL New Testament.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Ignoramus, fifth time I ask you to prove my “anger and hatred”.

            I call you and other libtards for what you turned out to be.

            It’s you one and other libtards are angry that the quotes from the Bible, which I “throw around”, are exposing your
            wicked perversion, decadence, ignorance and total stupidity.

            You, libtards, are so tolerant, that you just dream to censorship Conservatives and Christians views and
            convictions.

            Jesus Christ called the hypocrites like you “Serpents,
            brood of vipers”: “Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things?” (Matthew)

            “Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the
            condemnation of hell?” (Matthew)

            “Their throat is an OPEN TOMB; With their tongues they
            have PRACTICED DECEIT”; “The poison of asps is under
            their lips”

            By your multiple admissions you are not a Christian. So shut up about Jesus.

            BTW, what makes you angrier – that I “throw around quotes from the Bible” or that Bible exposing your evil depravity and stupidity.

            In person I speak my mind to people, but I just keep myself away from the depraved and stupid people like you. I would not talk to you if you will not talk to me. Your choice – Live me alone or listen what I think about you and what Bible says about you and your ilk.

            “We are all born ignorant, but one MUST WORK HARD to remain STUPID.” – Benjamin Franklin

            “To be ignorant means not knowing, to be stupid means REFUSING to know. Neither is good.” – Alondra

            Chao

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Long ago I did get that liberals do NOT deserve ANY respect.

          • macgyver1948

            Well Alandra, I guess you generalize about people before you know a thing about them.That is very Right thinking of you. So many liberals here are not as you seem to think they are. If you disrespect people before you try to know them on an individual basis then you deserve what you give.

          • Karolyn

            Prove your anger? You prove it daily with your harshness. As far as speaking about Jesus goes, as an historical figure and the most enlightened human to ever live, he belongs to everyone. Christians do not hold a patent on him.

          • Charlie

            Karolyn ,,, you have a small point ,,, BUT ,,, True Christians PER The Book do have a “Special Blessings” and “”Relationship”” to King Jesus Christ …. Which you do not have ,,, and ,,, are refusing to become a “True Christian” for what appears to be stupid reasons …………
            Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • Karolyn

            “stupid reasons’? Because I choose not to blindly follow rules and assertions I do not believe in? Not stupid at all. Jesus is brother to all mankind. He walks with each and every one of us. So you are saying even Christians who are not “true” (do not believe exactly as you do) do not have a relationship with him?

          • Charlie

            Karolyn ,,, Read Jeremiah 10:14,,, or just read all of chapter 10 … Bear in mind I did not write The Bible… What does Jeremiah 10 say about Jesus ? What did King Jesus say at John 14:13—17… Is your relationship with King Jesus Christ based on obedience ??? Yes the word stupid is used at Jeremiah 10 , in the NASB ….

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            HA HA HA! Stupid Idiot, time after time you are proving how dim, unbalanced and brainless you are.

            I will not spend my time to teach you. Take a class of the DESCRIPTIVE LINGUISTIC and semantics (the study of an interpretation of the words meaning)

            Anger is a strong feeling of displeasure (which you constantly display), which is a reaction to a corrosive emotional reaction of having been offended, insulted, or raged for being cut or denied the retaliation. You are
            displeased by exposed TRUTH about your stupidity and pervert mentality, on which many people pointed on this Website.

            My feelings for you are: contempt, sorry and shame, which you bring on women by your stupidity, silliness, absurdity, idiocy, lack of common sense and total ignorance You earned disrespect “honestly”.

            The truth must really be smarting/ hurting you, because the TRUTH about you is unpleasant.

            Stupid Ignoramus, Christ HOLDS “patent” on Christians.
            To the PERVERT “serpents, brood of vipers” He says: “depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.”

            “The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS, and will CAST THEM INTO THE FURNACE OF FIRE. There will be wailing
            and gnashing of teeth.” – Jesus Christ

            “Serpents, brood of vipers! HOW CAN YOU ESCAPE THE CONDEMNATION OF HELL?” – Jesus Christ

            Go and get the help that you need. You are clearly deranged. Your Libtardic brain is disabled.

            Anger runs off with your mental health. Seek help to manage your bitterly sore and sensitive emotions.

            Warning: If you will not leave me alone, I will re-post this opinion on the TOP of the each article comments.

            Your choice.

            “…seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.” – Jesus Christ
            It’s about you. Educate yourself and then post your opinions

          • Bob666

            Yo Pork-Fest,

            “Anger is a strong feeling of displeasure (which you constantly display)”

            I never see that at all from Karolyn. That ill-will comes out in spades with every post that you make here to anyone.

            When ever you want to put someone down -you make up stuff like “paid shill”, “your handler” or “Master” if anyone listened to you, I would be on a government payroll as Obama’s chief lackey living in section 8 housing receiving food stamps and unquestionably miserable with my life.

            Yet, you have never been anywhere close in your descriptions of myself, Karolyn, Darwin or anyone else that you disagree with.

            Propaganda is your behavior and you can continue making those statements, but that will not make them anymore accurate.

            I would remind you that your hero Putin was once over the KGB in the USSR and that was breeding ground of Marxism. they were masters at Propaganda-so that makes a great deal of sense.

            Maybe you should go and live in Russia since you love Putin so much-none of us would miss you.

            So, keep posting-one day you might have the credibility of Anthony Weiner-that is, if we all forget who Anthony Weiner is.

            Just saying……

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Oh, Keep squeaking Delusional PITIFUL
            EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATH.

          • Bob666

            Yes Baby-Backs,
            The truths hurts? It can also set you free.

            Go back and read the bible -this time without an agenda.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Keep yapping Delusional PITIFUL
            EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATH, satanic bastard.

          • Bob666

            Yo Pork-Fest,

            “Anger is a strong feeling of displeasure (which you constantly display)”

            Kinda like calling someone who called you out a “satanic bastard”.

            Thanks for proving my point!

            BTW-those were two good examples of an ad hominem that you made.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Keep yapping Desmal Delusional PITIFUL EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATH, satanic bastard.

          • Charlie

            YO YO ,,, how’s it going ? Back and forth ? or forth and back? … One of your friends over rated you again… See below…………………….

          • Karolyn

            Sadly, she does not.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Keep yapping Mentally PERVERT and deranged unhappy Libtard.

          • macgyver1948

            Karolyn…
            See Alandra’s response to you below if you are “K” to her.
            Alandra feels she can speak for both God and Jesus and decide
            to associate those who Jesus spoke of in the Christian bibles are the
            same people as those who do not agree with her, Alandra, today. She
            is fast to name call and insult.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Wow, the English Teacher slaughters the language. Ever hear of proper grammar, MacGyver (not)?

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH…
            So typical of the small minds who think as you. You have absolutely
            nothing to offer so you go after spelling and grammar mistakes
            instead of substance.

            Again TheOriginalDaveH,
            grow up. If my comment grammatically offends you maybe it is because
            I was in a hurry to respond and didn’t really care about the spelling
            and grammar. Do you have any idea what a writer goes through,
            reviewing over and over again what he/she writes, before turning it
            in? I just typed and ran with it here so now you can get your
            childish thrills.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sentence one — ad hominem.
            Sentence two — ad hominem.
            Sentence three — ad hominem.
            Sentence four — non sequitur.
            Sentence five — non sequitur.
            Sentence six — ad hominem.
            And you say I have a small mind?

          • Dave

            You have no mind and no morality. DaveH8

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH… I went through my notes with “Find & Replace”, yes sometimes I write my response in my WP first, and I cannot find what you say I wrote. Maybe my paste belched when I placed it in here. Would you show the entire sentences because I do not know what you are referring to. Bu very much so you have a tiny mind.

          • Dave

            Mac,

            DaveH is a known liar. Unless you are for “small” government, you are a big government liberal/progressive/socialist.

            His mises examples from the 1800’s are hilarious. And he expects to be taken seriously…

          • macgyver1948

            Dave… Yeah, I know… Sad in how he goes about it but not in his right to be for smaller government. .

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            WOW, Mac, you went to cry on the K’s sholder.
            You cheated on me, Traitor.
            Listen, WHY would not you create the Petition “Deport
            Alondra from PLD” and send it to Mr. Livingston.
            I hope you’ll collect enough signatures.

            No thanks needed for the idea.

          • macgyver1948

            Are you for real? LOL

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Yes, for very real. Why? You will miss me?

          • macgyver1948

            Alondra…
            No thanks deserved. You are getting funnier though, in a sad way.
            LOL

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Ignoramus, read the New Testament and you will find what Jesus tells about EVIL hypocritical, pervert and decadent ilk like you.

          • macgyver1948

            Alandra… Not that “K” needed you to but you are proving her points about you. Very nice, :-)

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            I do not care about her points, neither yours.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Keep yapping Mentally PERVERT and deranged unhappy Libtard.

          • macgyver1948

            Alondra…I too do not care what church leaders say either if they contradict what God says. I have this kind of discussion with a few people on this site. But please tell me when and where does God say what you
            say, that Catholics are fake Christians or are of a fake Christian church? Or as you put it “Pope is the “head” of the FALSE church “? Where does God say what you want Him to say in this?

            Sorry. I should have typed “disagreeable”, not that you should be agreeable because I do not need you to agree with me, instead of nasty?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            macgyver says: “Sorry. I should have typed “disagreeable”, not that you should be agreeable because I do not need you to agree with me, instead of nasty?”

            Mac, sorry is mine. I am so confuse. It’s my English as a third language, or you drunk. I try to understand: Am I nasty? Or I am not? Are we “agreeable” OR we are “disagreeable”?

          • macgyver1948

            Alondra…
            What ever you are you are funny in this comment. Also you are
            childishly fast to go to insults and name calling. Good for you. :-)

          • Charlie

            Mac,,, ask and you shall receive ,,,, The History of ALL the
            popular “”Churches”” will tell you who has it right… The Catholics have NOT been Preaching / Teaching “The Bible” for Centuries now ,,, so ,,, that puts them on the NG list … Hold on you Baptist !!! you’re in the same boat some what… NONE!!! are teaching / preaching Acts 2;38 as “Salvation” ,,, EXCEPT ,,, a handful of whole Bible Preacher / Prophets that are mostly called “Radicals”,,, But ,,, The Bible is All these “Radicals” Preachers teach / preach…. I have NEVER , yet caught these Radicals taking from or adding to The Normal Approved Bibles…
            Truth is NOT going to hunt you down… So,,, when,,, you find anyone saying something that does not check out to be Historical Truth PER most known Books on the subject
            matter… Then a lie has found you ………………………..
            Meanwhile.. Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation,,, because King Jesus and Peter said so…. Live with Truth , or , die with lies…

          • WTS/JAY

            Ha ha ha ha ha, you are deranged, Dave! How long have you been marinating in Christopher Hitchen’s Christianophobia? Lol, what a maroon. Btw, Dave, have you always been a religious-bigot?

          • Charlie

            Ha ha haha ha,,, give some deranged info ,so we can rearrange things……………………….

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… Oh help us all its you again. Again you feel you have the right to deny other people beliefs and liberties in both politics and religion.

            You say to me “Truth is NOT going to hunt you down… So,,, when,,, you find anyone saying something that
            does not check out to be Historical Truth PER most known Bo oks on the subject matter… Then a lie has found you ………………………..”. So, you think you are an authority on truth, do you. This is you all the way. Reality and other5 people beliefs do not concern you unless you are totally agreed with. You are no believer in reral Liberty and you do not speak for God no
            matter how much you think you do. You are a fraud as I have been telling you.

            Charlie. You start with “Mac,,, ask and you shall receive ,,,,” well. I asked for truth, or where she can show where what she says is what God says and sh didn’t, and a proper answer and she too did not attempt to offer it. She too, as you do, gave me flaky answers which did not answer the questions. From her I would have accented answers from any Christian bible she follows even those I am in no way a Christian and I do not recognize any of your bibles. I just wanted to see where her thinking was coming from. That is what I was doing with her.

            You end with “…Peter said so…. Live with Truth , or , die with lies…”. Do you even know what
            truth is and can you prove what you believe is truth, your source? I have told you many times I respect how all others choose to believe for themselves but you have no respect at all for differing beliefs. Some American you are. Another question. Do you ever have the real feeling of Liberty and Freedom for all?

            Why don’t you just give up when it comes to people with views you do not allow or agree with. You are just not believable or convincing?

          • Charlie

            Mac,,, Do you believe in Scientific Laws ? that have been proven over and over and are taught in Schools of Higher learning ??? When I say something from The Bible OR Science books,,, why slam Me ? I did NOT write those books… Well let us tell you why ,,, you slam Me , because of “Your” brainwashing is stepped on by Me and you go into a Psychological condition known as “Cognitive Dissonance” and Personality clash… Believe what you want ,,, BUT ,,, that does NOT make it True……… What I generally point at in writings may not be written perfectly ,,
            BUT ,,, The basic “Contents” , Cannot be proven wrong PER The Bible or Science Books ,,, because ,,, that’s where the contents comes from… YOU ,,, or anyone else can ONLY come out of “”Their”” brainwashing BY! First recognizing they are indeed brainwashed on some subject matters… Now this does not mean “They” are brainwashed on all subject matters…. Think about IT,,, and try to Prove The Harmonized Bible Wrong…………..

          • macgyver1948

            Yes Charlie, I believe in the laws of physics and science to the level of my understanding. And I have had enough Physics and Chemistry classes
            between high school and college to get to my limited understanding but I believe in them. That is because I can see much of them working.

            And Charlie I totally believe that God created them. Does that surprise you? If you made sense of what you say, sense to me, I wouldn’t slam you. I do not belittle your right to believe in your religion, as you
            see it, or in how you interpret your bible, as you see it. What bothers me about people such as you is you will not allow others to believe in how they see it.

            This is multi fold in explaining what I mean. You will NOT allow me to believe in the Hebrew Bible as it was taught to me and in general how it was taught to Jews since Moses. That is why you are an unyielding
            anti-liberty Taliban kind of person.

            And the fact that you have no clue concerning logic is why you are an idiot in how you try to use logic. As I said several times before on this site to unyielding anti-liberty Taliban kind of people such as you, you cannot use something as proof, of what you are trying to prove, to someone who does not accept your “references” as a truth. This is faulty logic and it will never work. You must use sources they will accept and believe in. That is so simple to understand so why don;t you?

            Again and again I have told unyielding anti-liberty Taliban kind of people such as you that I do not believe in Jesus and I do not accept any
            Christian bibles as my bible. Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend? How many times do people like you have to be told something before you allow yourself to learn? I am not in any way a Christan and your bible(s) are no more my bible than the Korean is
            your bible. Do you get that simple logical phrasing or is your mind so tightly closed it still escapes your level of comprehension?

            How about this since you start your comment with a question about science. If one does not believe in Christianity for himself then that person will not accept any Christian bible scriptures as proof of ANYTHING. Logic may not be a science to you but it does bring in
            laws of common sense. Please try to learn real logic.

            I really do respect and accept Christian scriptures for Christians but if you truly believe in our US Constitution why do you not accept Freedom Of Religion and Liberty for any who do not believe as you? (WOW, that question can be phrased for political conversations as well as religious ones with a little editing for people such as you, lol). That is what makes you, and you have twins on this site who
            share your Taliban style of Christianity, a fraud as an American. What it does for you as a Christian is another story, and only other Christians can speak to that, but you do not have any credibility as a believer in Liberty and I would guess that many real Christians
            would be embarrassed by you. As an American I would be embarrassed by you if you were to become some sort of ambassador or representative to other countries for America. What a revolting joke on American, as well as damaging for the American image as well as misleading and hypocritical, if that ever happens. LOL.

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            how is the headache?

          • macgyver1948

            Hi Bob666… LOL… Sometimes it gets so easy to respond to them because they help in how they write.

            They are so sure they are right no matter what, in matters of religion and politics, so everyone who disagrees with them has to be wrong. Simple logic huh?, lol.

            Did you see the Ben Franklin quote I posted to that regard? Old Ben does know them even today. I should thank them for their help at times, LOL

            Bob, are you enjoying your day?… Steve.

            Oh wait, I should say Macgyver and not my real first name because some on here have decided I am no Macgyver and they for sure are the names they use here. Nothing hypocritical about that either. How Original, LOL

          • Bob666

            Now Mac,

            You know darn good and well that Ben Franklin was a “devout” christian and would never say such a thing…..

            Had to work on a project over the last couple of weeks-kind of nice because I enjoyed my business-but it has interrupted my retirement. Had planed on sailing over to the Bahamas for a week or two but weather in the Caribbean is heating up-so here I am being amused on PLD.

            keep at it, you obviously seem to make them think a bit- who knows, they might start thinking on a regular basis.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob666…. Yep, I know Ben Franklin was a Christian, as were most of the founders – common knowledge, but he also believed in Liberty and Freedom equally for all. He and the others knew for that to be, for
            us, they had to leave all hints of any specific religion out of the Constitution and not make this a specific religion country, There is deliberately no mention of specific religious leaders, such as Jesus or Christ, just referring to God Himself a few places in the Constitution (which includes the Bill OF Rights), for those purposes. It was said by them that America should not be spoken of as a Christian nation because that would contradict and negate “Freedom Of Religion”. History shows us that so often. If I can find the link for the article which shows that in my notes I will post it here again. And that article was recommended by one of those here
            who CLAIMS this is a Christian country and he uses the Founders as proof of that, LOL. What a dope. I bet he did not either read the article through enough or he couldn’t understand it, LOL.

            The the Bahamas trip sounds like it could have been a great time. I hope you get another chance this summer.

            LOL. I think they think but what? “I am always so right so why and how can Macgyver and others disagree with me”. So they feel disrespected and they
            get angry and then they show their true colors. See, I think they think, LOL…

          • Charlie

            Mac ,,, Questions are the quickest way to find out how much some one knows about a particular subject matter and / or IF? “They” are brainwashed … It makes some difference IF? “They” answer correctly or do not say anything thing at all … No answer is a answer but just incomplete ,,, it’s amazing how many people will speak out or write out flat out “Lies” thinking you may believe part or all of “The Lies”… That’s where you are , you are brainwashed so you “Think” your “”Intelligence””” is Truth ,,, BUT ,,, you have little to no evidence from “Science” or from People of “Science” to show to prove your “”Info””… Your Bible Harmonization is Zero… ALL real Laws are harmonized with ALL other “Real” Laws …
            God made it that way for His reasoning… Did you learn in High School that “Matter”” is neither created nor destroyed
            ? … So? is your “Intelligence” a Gas, liquid , or solid, or just a brain fart????

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie (Guest):… That was so comical. Did you make all that up from scratch by yourself or did you get help? LOL… All I get from you is brain farts but you could be a fantasy writer for the
            Tea Party. Go for it, you might do ok.

            How come you wont answer my questions if you are so smart and sure of your beliefs? Are you afraid?

            To ask again, “A couple of simple questions for you Charlie. Is he/she really a “heathen” if he/she believes in the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, according to the Torah and all of Hebrew bible? Moses did just that and the three I just mentioned did and so did your Jesus. Would you call your Jesus a heathen in this case for believing in Torah and teaching it as a rabbi should (meaning not your way)? That seems to be what you are saying to Alondra about those you claim she as light years ahead of in this comment of yours?
            LOL”

            You asked me “Mac,,, Do you believe in Scientific Laws ? that have been proven over and over and are taught in Schools of Higher learning ???” and I very much answered you so what are you afraid of? Are
            you afraid you will FINALLY see how much of a hypocrite you are and a phony believer in Liberty and freedom equally for all?

            As I told you before there is no point to you because you ignore answers you do not want to accept differing view points. You give no respect for peoples beliefs but you act like the fool who believes he cannot be wrong. Don’t worry, you are not alone in that on this site. You too were of those Ben Franklin spoke of when he said “Most men indeed, as well as most sects in religion, think themselves in possession of all truth, and that wherever others differ from them,
            it is so far error. —BEN FRANKLIN, AUTOBIOGRA­PHICAL WRITINGS .”. Wow how I love this quote and I used it earlier today for someone just like you.

            Are you capable of understanding what Ben said of people such as you? Can you comprehend the message he is conveying of people like you? Can
            you see how wrong he is suggesting people like you are? Look in the mirror and start fixing what stares back at you but until you do you will remain the hypocritical joke that you are with how you negate
            other people’s rights to their beliefs if they differ from yours. You are a religious bigot.

            Again, you are not alone in how you believe here in both the political and religious arenas. So, go on showing what you are and how much Ben Franklin was talking about people like you. It is just a shame since
            there are so many decent Christians and they have to know there is an embarrassment like you running around claiming to be who calls himself Christian.

            Yes, most of us know matter is nether created or destroyed (by us), God did that for us. These things are different forms of each other. Matter came from energy and matter might return. But thank you for
            your science lesson. And thank you for your uninformed and insulting sarcasm, you do that well. You just don’t get it, this thing called life, or how to relate to people but at least you think you know and
            understand (just in your shrunken misguided brain) God. I have read it is nice to live on your delusions so continue and don’t stop. People like you are a trip though but you need real psychological
            help, Every state has Psychiatric Hospitals, I bet there is a bed with your name on it in many of those hospitals.

          • Charlie

            Mac ,,, is that bed free ? if so, make a reservation for Me and I’ll go preach / teach at them for a while………………

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie (Guest):… I see on top of it all there is a bit of a sense of humor in you, very nice for a change.

            I have never been asked, or psychologically “requested”, to become a resident at any kind of place like that so I don’t know if they would charge you. Also I do not have any connections with those places so I couldn’t make a reservation for you easier, or even as easy, than you could for yourself. I do think the residents would be a good audience or congregation for you. They might even listen if they could. Who knows, faith and prayer are very good medicines and they have good healing effects. :-)

            Charlie, according to several movies I watched in the past involving those places I suggest you read all the fine print very carefully and make sure your residence is stated as “temporary”. It could be a one way ticket otherwise, lol.

          • Charle

            Mac ,,, what questions of yours did We not answer???

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie (Guest):… What do you mean by “WE”? Are you schizophrenic or with multiple personalities or what? How many people are there with you, at home, helping you with your comments?

            Each time I get the feeling you do not read my comments, with questions, so it appears it is just easier for you to ask “what questions of yours did We not answer???”. I will copy and paste the main question AGAIN and keep this short so the length of it wont fade you.

            If you will not answer this time I will not ask you again and just figure the reason you are NOT answering is because you do not want to prove the fraud you really are and that is why you ignore the
            question(s). I will stop answering your questions, which I so often have answered you, because you will be a waste of time with no answers from you. In one way or another you have often said “Mac ,,, King Jesus Christ is in every book of The Old Testament and
            New.”.. (<— your exact words from today) and I have often asked you to SHOW ME THE PROOF opf Jesus' mentioning in The Hebrew Bible but you do not. One last time – Here it is Charlie.

            “OK Charlie. Now it is your turn again since I have asked you a few times in the past and now again (I did so earlier today and you do not answer AGAIN). Where in The Hebrew Bible are you confused about Jesus being mentioned? You are confused about his being mentioned in the US Constitution too but that is another issue that is confusing you – HE AINT THERE EITHER. (Sorry for repeating the word “confused”
            but you really are). It will be easy for your mind to show it to yourself because you believe it so much but why do not any Rabbis see it nor any student of the Hebrew Bible ANY WHERE? The name of Jesus
            or Christ is NO where in actual word or thought or intent within the entire Hebrew Bible – NOWHERE. Why do you so much need justification for your beliefs that you have to make up scripture meanings in other
            religion's Bibles? Do you not really have enough faith in your bible and in your faith that you NEED to do this?”…

            By the way, that would be a major contradiction to many things in the Hebrew Bible if he did appear. We Jews feel so strongly there has never been a real demi-god, as would be if there really was an
            immaculate or divine conception. We do not believe in the demi-gods of ancient Greece or Rome or Egypt or any other place, those are fantasies to us too. But I really do respect your right to believe as you choose. I just wonder why those like you do not allow others to
            believe as they choose.

            With that said try to really understand the first 2 of the Ten Commandants. These might give you a hint as to why Jesus is not where in our bible or in our religion – maybe if you are capable of understanding them even though they come from and are still part of Torah:

            Charlie. I wrote the 2 commandants exactly as they appear in English from the Hebrew Bible as it is customarily translated into English. Under each
            of those I put my comments. Please do not mistake my comments as made up because I learned them well in Hebrew school.

            1 – Thau shalt have no other gods before me

            (Since God is one and also does not come in parts how could we and still be a believer in God as He says to be? Charlie, if you are wondering, Trinity defies our belief in monotheism. Remember Gods is not only
            one but whole and not in parts)

            (Anything not God is so obviously less than God so it would violate God's commandant to worship a demi-god or a man made one. Demi-gods are obviously less than God)

            2- Thau shall not make unto thee any graven image

            (In part there is that man-made thing again but it is not limited to what man physically makes. It is the concept and belief in a non Real God entity that violates this commandment. Remember man did not make the
            Greek gods but they did imagine them so to them they were real) There is so much more in our Hebrew Bible that forbids us to accept Jesus but not now.

            Charlie, this is how we have believed since Moses and Jesus taught this too as a rabbi or it makes no sense for him to be a real rabbi. I have said to you often that I would defend your ways of believing and accepting. Why do you not allow others theirs?

            By the way, with so much in the Hebrew Bible saying we cannot accept Jesus, what you guys say he is, how would it look, for bible credibility, for Jesus to be mentioned anywhere in it?

            Will you read and understand all of this? Notice I did not say “agree with” for you.

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            you do realized that Charlie is like a dog-if you feed him once-he will keep coming back for more.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob666….
            Yeah, I agree and it is way past time to set the mad pooch free. I
            haven’t enjoyed his BS in a while so I am not sure why I fed into it
            this long. I can’t take him any more as he distorts and edits
            reality… He is a total waste of time in his con jobs and I will let
            him know very soon.

          • Charlie

            Mac ,,, look back at your comment ,,, it’ way longer than it needs to be,,, did you copy and paste??? We already know much of what you copy and paste ,,, it’s “old hat”… IF? one cannot at least write or talk about a subject matter off the top of his head ,,, then ,,, one does NOT know subject matter very well… The point!!! you don’t know your Bible as compared to the normal KJV or NASB ,,, so ,,, even when I point some verse out by Name and Number… You can’t see the meaning because it may not be the word or words you want to see… For example , there is more than one word for “”God”” and the same for “”Jesus””…. “”We”” is Me and The Spirit of God from the last part of Acts 2:38 ,,, “””and you will receive The Gift of The Holy Spirit””… ALL creation has “some” spirit of God in it , otherwise , it would not exist … The Bible says that ,,
            but not in those exact words… Read,,,Think ,,, Analyze ,,, Harmonize ,,, Pray, in The Name and Blood of King Jesus Christ , Victory was Won at The Cross as evil men “”Killed”” King Jesus Christ ,,,PER,,, The Law … Read “The Law” , it’s, in your Bible…………..
            Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie (Guest):… Ok Charlie I look back at my comments, now what? You ask if I “copy and paste”. Ok, let’s examine that especially since you say “We already know much of what you copy and paste ,,, it’s
            “old hat…IF? one cannot at least write or talk about a subject matter off the top of his head ,,, then ,,, one does NOT know subject matter very well……”.

            When I use references from the Internet to use in return comments to people like you I copy and past from those sites and I make it clear I took them from a site. I am guilty of copying and pasting in that regard. Ya got me there Charlie. Good for you. :-)

            But when my return comments are short I just type them directly in here and send. No copy and paste there.

            But when I have a lot to say I have my word processor opened and I construct a reply on there first from right out of my head. I need the spell checker so that helps. LOL

            Then I copy and past all that I wrote for the reply from my word processor and then paste it in here and sent it. Gee, I guess you got me there too. What do you know, you can claim you are right about something. I
            am guilty as you say of copy and pasting my comments. Good for you. :-).

            Then you say “The point!!! you don’t know your Bible as compared to the normal KJV or NASB ,,,”.

            First, what is a “KJV or NASB ,,,”? They are only normal books people wrote to me and that is a huge point you are missing. Just novels and stories people put together in a binding. I still cannot understand
            why you do you get the simple fact that your bibles are not my bibles. Oh well, I guess maybe you are one of those simple-minded people who are so weak-minded as well whose ego can’t take being wrong or disagreed with. Poor little boy, you can’t get people to just bend over and bow to your ways of believing and worshiping. There is a big reason you need help.

            When you say of me “The point!!! you don’t know your Bible as compared to the normal KJV or NASB ,,,” it doesn’t bother me because I know you for a while on here and what I know of you is you have to be
            right even if you feel the need to insult and put people down for not believing you. The fact is I have been to Hebrew school for many years while growing up as a Conservative Jew (possibly the only kind of conservative I can see as being) and I prefer to believe the rabbis and the Hebrew teachers when it comes to what Hebrew Scriptures mean than to believe any of your forceful and insulting madness. It is you who does not understand the meanings of Hebrew
            Scriptures and that is so obvious to a person who has studied Torah and the rest of the Hebrew Bible as I have, and more for many who have studied further.

            Charlie, you make it so hard to respect you as a person and your rights to believe and act as you choose. Yep, you do that to yourself. You get what you give Charlie boy but I would still fight for you right to believe as you choose because that is what good people should do and it is your Constitutional right, something else you do not understand..

            It is you who needs to redefine and edit Hebrew Scriptures because of that huge need you have to be right no matter what. Sounds so much like many Right wing conservatives with their politics as well and
            their religion. Again, I prefer to believe the teachings of rabbis and Hebrew teachers who know the religion and never S*HMUCKS like you.

            Also because you are so thick sculled, I suppose leaving not much room for a brain to develop, so often proving you wont even try to understand logic and common sense when you use so strongly your bible
            scriptures, and your quotes such as “Pray, in The Name and Blood of King Jesus Christ , Victory was Won at The Cross as evil men “”Killed”” King Jesus Christ ,,,PER,,, The Law … Read “The Law” , it’s, in your Bible………….. Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts2:38 is salvation… to someone who does not accept you bibles as their bible. What a joke you are to anyone who is not a believer in Jesus Christ when you use those quotes and other Christian Scriptures as “Proof “ of anything. You are truly one to be laughed at as you do these things.

            Now Charlie, I have to confess I cannot do this any more with an idiot such as you, and there are plenty like you. You Win Charlie so I am quitting. Please, and I have said and tried this with you before, do not make the mistake when I say I am quitting that you have won by convincing me of anything. God forbid that because you in no way seem to have any talent at all to convince people of anything with your
            nonsense talent for logic and common sense. I just cannot continue this with idiots such as you. Thanks for the BS Lessons but no more.

            Oh look at this. Even though I composed all of this in my WP and it is all as usual original writing on my part I have copied and pasted it in here again so once again you are right about me in that. Atta boy Charlie!!! :-).

            Shalom Charlie.

          • Charlie

            Peace , Brother ,,, but We may point out some of your errors IF, We happen to notice them…. I did not win this war of words ,,, “”We”” did,,, without the education from others “Minds” , and My Guardian Angel , I would be the dummy you call out… Meanwhile, I will continue to Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… And you , continue to believe as you will , but , remember “We” have branded you with some “Truths” , and , once a mind is expanded it will never contract………………………….

          • Charlie

            Peace , Brother ,,, but We may point out some of your errors IF, We happen to notice them…. I did not win this war of words ,,, “”We”” did,,, without the education from others “Minds” , and My Guardian Angel , I would be the dummy you call out… Meanwhile, I will continue to Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… And you , continue to believe as you will , but , remember “We” have branded you with some “Truths” , and , once a mind is expanded it will never contract………………………….

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie (Guest):… God bless you Charlie. I would really be disappointed in you, not that that should bother you, is what you say here “Meanwhile, I will continue to Praise King Jesus for Salvation and
            Healing…”, I am not here to get anyone to be as me in my beliefs. We each choose how we believe and that is how it must be. No one should deny us our “truths” and no one should put us down for them. Both God and the Constitution grants us that right no matter
            how we humans see or relate to Him.

            You could be right in that we both may have “won”. I would hope we each learned a little about each other’s beliefs and rights and if that is true we did each win.

            I will say hi from time to time but let’s refrain from insults, not limited to but included, by saying how wrong the other’s beliefs are.

            Can we deal with that? Shalom til next time. :-)

          • Charlie

            Mac,,, God critique His People and tells us to do the same
            at Ezekiel 3:18,,, is that in your Bible?…………… Peace….

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie (Guest):…What is your point to this?

            From The Hebrew Bible, yes, my Bible this way:
            Ezekiel Chapter 3 יְחֶזְקֵאל

            16 And it came to pass at the end of seven days, {P}
            that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying:

            17 ‘Son of man, I have appointed thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; and when thou shalt hear a word at My mouth, thou shalt give them warning from Me.

            18 When I say unto the wicked: Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his
            blood will I require at thy hand.

            19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

            20 Again, when a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, I will lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die; because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and
            his righteous deeds which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thy hand.

            21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he took warning; and thou
            hast delivered thy soul.’

          • Charlie

            Mac,,, My point is to find out how much of My Bible is in Your Bible ,,, so ,,, any errors you commit against your Bible that are also in My Bible can be pointed out with equality… This is not war ,,, it’s peaceful competition ,,, Sports …

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie :… I am more than ok with what you say here and I am ok with the differences between what was always in the Hebrew Bible and what the Romans did to create the basis for all future Christian bibles
            and in what they began to call “The Old Testament” (instead of “The Hebrew Bible” for their own reasons) for all who want to choose their bibles. All future “New Testaments” are also based on the Roman Catholic Bible as well. I doubt you will allow yourself
            to believe that, which is more than ok with me, but since I wasn’t there at the time I must go by world history. I even bet the farm you would not like, maybe even hate, what history really says about your
            King James as a person and the real reasons his court wanted and did develop and publish the bible bearing his name. By the way, the KJV of Christian Bibles was not the first sanctioned Protestant Christian bible in history, all also taken from the Catholic Bible, there were several before that one which were published. It wasn’t the Catholic Bible Protestants hated back then. Instead it was more so how many former Catholics protested the ways and rule of the Catholic Church
            which caused many (new at the time) Protestant religions to emerge and eventually publish their own bibles, including your KJV and the ones before and after it.

            There are all kinds of historical references on-line and in libraries and in universities, etc, that back up my above statements but those too I doubt you and most non-Catholic Christians would acknowledge for
            their own reasons, as well as for the reasons they were taught not to accept. I am a pretty big history buff so, again, history is what I go by for these events.

            Here is a simple sample:

            History of the Catholic Church

            From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

            (Redirected from History of the Roman Catholic Church)

            Found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Roman_Catholic_Church

            It starts with and goes on from what I include here.

            See also: History of Christianity

            Catholic doctrine teaches
            that the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ. It interprets the Confession of Peter as acknowledging Christ’s designation of Apostle Peterand his
            successors to be the temporal head of his Church. Thus, it asserts that the Bishop of Rome has
            the sole legitimate claim to Petrine authority and the primacy due to the Roman Pontiff.[1] The Catholic Church claims legitimacy for its bishops and priests via the doctrine of apostolic succession and authority
            of the Pope via the unbroken line of popes, claimed as successors to Simon Peter.[2][3][4][5]

            In 313, the struggles of the Early Church were lessened by the legalisation of Christianity by
            the Emperor Constantine I. In 380, under Emperor
            Theodosius I, Christianity became the state
            religion of the Roman Empire by the decree
            of the Emperor, which would persist until the fall of the Western Empire, and later, with the Eastern Roman Empire, until the Fall of Constantinople. During this time (the period of the Seven Ecumenical Councils)
            there were considered five primary sees according
            to Eusebius: Rome, Constantinople,Antioch, Jerusalem and Alexandria, known as the Pentarchy.

            More again at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Roman_Catholic_Church

            Remember Charlie, I mention there are so many historical references on these subjects but I chose Wikipedia as a sample because this page is concise and easy to read and understand. If you go there or/and to any of the millions of other historical references please enjoy hating them as I think you will disagree with accepted history on these subjects. Have fun though. :-)

            To each his own chosen leanings and beliefs and faith.

          • Quester55

            I’m in a thunderstorm (YA!) so I’ll make this short, leave me a message/Comment & I’ll get back to you Later!

          • WTS/JAY

            KG: and they don’t recognize each other in the strip club!

            And you know this, because you watch them from a dark corner in the strip club!

          • Quester55

            KG, And your point is ?
            Only Fools that Don’t bother to READ their ENGLISH BIBLE, Would believe that any POPE was the Head of CHRISTIANITY!

            HISTORY Revels much to that Bit of Effective PROPAGANDA of their time!
            However, Pointless it is, I will make this Comparison
            THE POPE is to CATHOLICISM, What the FALSE IDOL-Allah is to ALL MUSLIM’S, !

          • Quester55

            KG, And your point is ?
            Only Fools that Don’t bother to READ their ENGLISH BIBLE, Would believe that any POPE was the Head of CHRISTIANITY!

            HISTORY Revels much to that Bit of Effective PROPAGANDA of their time!
            However, Pointless it is, I will make this Comparison
            THE POPE is to CATHOLICISM, What the FALSE IDOL-Allah is to ALL MUSLIM’S, !

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            He is reading only Queen James bible for queers, which says that homosexuality is approved by God.

          • KG

            So….which strip club do you go to?

            I think the best is “The landing Strip” in LA.
            If I see you there, I promise I wont tell your Deacon.
            That is, unless you ARE the deacon!!
            hehehhehehe….!

        • red neck

          That’s a good point the government would love to be able to tell us how to live our lives…. Oh wait they already do that…. Yikes.

  • David L

    WOW! Tremendous article, it sums up all that I believe to be happening in this country but couldn’t put into words. We are rotting from the Top down and growing the bottom up squeezing those who truly make this country what it was.

    • Quester55

      David, Get your Facts Correct, The middle-Class DIDN’T Build this Country, It Was Won by the Poor & Needy, That had Nothing left to loose, That Where most of the Soldiers, in our Early Wars. Most shop owners at the time wanted to remain Neutral in the War of Independence!
      In the American Civil War, It was the Poor once again that Ended up Fighting & Dying for Both Sides While those Wealthy S.O.B.’s in Brass Took the Credits!
      To this Day, Most of the Military Fighting Men, Came from the ” Other Side of the Tracks”, And not from some Cushy Job of the So-Called Middle Class!

  • WTS/JAY

    Journal of Medical Ethics Says Newborn Babies not People, Can be Killed…

    And why not? If we go on defining human life down, we’ll end up determining that anyone can be killed at any time in the name of the greater good.

    That’s where this road of warped ethics inevitably leads.

    The article, published in the Journal of Medical Ethics, says newborn babies are not “actual persons” and do not have a “moral right to life”. The academics also argue that parents should be able to have their baby killed if it turns out to be disabled when it is born.

    You know, if you’re going to call for murdering babies, maybe you need to drop the “Ethics” part. If you’re going to be the worst people in the world, at least stop calling your behavior ethical…

    http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/journal-of-medical-ethics-says-newborn-babies-not-people-can-be-killed/

  • WTS/JAY

    The man who misled Congress on spying will pick Obama’s intelligence review panel…

    On Friday, President Obama promised to appoint an “independent group” of “outside experts” to review the government’s surveillance programs.

    Today, the president formally ordered the formation of this group, giving us a sense for just how independent the group would be. The announcement doesn’t inspire confidence that the president is interested in truly independent scrutiny of the nation’s surveillance programs.

    The panel will be chosen by, and report to, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. Clapper famously answered “no sir” when Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) asked whether the NSA collects information about millions of Americans. Clapper has since conceded that this answer was “clearly erroneous.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/12/the-man-who-misled-congress-on-spying-will-pick-obamas-intelligence-review-panel/

    • WTS/JAY

      What NSA Reforms? Obama’s Real Message to Americans: ‘Get Over It’… -Common Dreams – by Eugene Robinson

      President Obama’s message about the government’s massive electronic surveillanceprograms came through loud and clear: Get over it.

      The president used more soothing words in his pre-vacation news conference Friday, but that was the gist. With perhaps the application of a fig leaf here and a sheen of legalistic mumbo jumbo there, the snooping will continue.

      The modest reforms Obama proposed do not begin to address the fundamental question of whether we want the National Security Agency to log all of our phone calls and read at least some of our e-mails, relying on secret judicial orders from a secret court for permission. The president indicated he is willing to discuss how all this is done — but not whether.

      “It’s not enough for me, as president, to have confidence in these programs. The American people need to have confidence in them as well,” Obama said. But if this is truly what he believes, he should have kicked off this confidence-building debate years ago, long before former intelligence analyst Edward Snowden blew the whistle… http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/what-nsa-reforms-obamas-real-message-to-americans-get-over-it/53750

      • Quester55

        In the Art of Misdirection, OBAMA has few Peers! An as an Communist/Muslim, He Hides his Duality well from those Sheep that are so easily Deceived by his words, into believing his Lies & Rejecting the Truth!
        However, Watch out, He’s still planing to Alter our Laws, to include Islamic Laws as Well. Then It WILL become HELL to live in these Divided States of OBAMALAND!

    • red neck

      Kind of likens itself to the investigation of eric holder by none other than eric holder surrounding the fast-n-furious scandal…

    • William James Ward

      This truly “independent group”, will it be from North Korea
      or Iran, or the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, inquiring minds
      want to know………………..William

    • Quester55

      Now There is an ” OXYMORON “, If I ever heard one.

      ” OBAMA & Intelligence “, Do not go Together, Their like OIL & Water, right & Wrong, Evil & Good, “!! Nuff said?

  • WTS/JAY

    The rapid emergence of smart phones with high definition cameras leads to consequences for law-breaking cops. Recently, law enforcement has throughout the country has been trying to pass laws that would make it illegal to film them while they’re on duty. But Apple is coming out with a new technology that would put all the power in a cop’s hands.

    For more information: http://guardianlv.com/2013/08/apple-to-block-phone-features-at-sensitive-events/

    • KG

      I thought that was what HAARP was all about? Did you get your conspiracy theorys mixed up?

      • WTS/JAY

        You mean like your conspiracy-theories on capitalism?

      • Quester55

        KG, Off your medications again?
        H.A.A.R.P. Was NEVER a “Conspiracy Theory”, However it IS a Proven & Admitted FACT , Made By ” The United States Air-Force,”, Over 20 Years Ago!! The Also Approved several Film Crews to Publish FACTS about their Disclosed missions, To the General Public, But like any other Government project, We the People will never be Allowed to KNOW ALL of the Hidden facts of the Project, Just like WE don’t Know ALL of YOUR SECRETS KG. Why is that,DO YOU have something too hide??!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Boycott Apple.

    • Quester55

      That Technology is already here, your reports are already out of date. you forget the simple fact, that Any report has to go threw many stages & time, before it Gets Printed & sent out to the Public.
      Besides, APPLE & ALL of the Other High Tech. groups, Must apply for & get copy-writs & Pattin’s Before anything is Sold, Weather to the Government, or Public!
      Microwave ovens are a prime Example of this fact, the Military had the First Working Microwave Oven, nearly 6 years before the first Civilian unit was ever Sold, Despite the GE Propaganda you may have read!
      Besides, Like ” Running with the BULLS or Swimming with SHARKS”

      Filming Cops do their Jobs(Weather legal or Illegal) is a Sport to be Avoided by SANE PEOPLE, The rest of you can take the chance of getting SHOT!!

  • ibn insha

    We have nobody to blame but ‘we the people’. We have adulterated our conscience in return for freebies from government which government acquires by confiscating other people’s money.

    In the olden days people considered other people’s money and possessions forbidden to themselves. It was considered immoral to take from others without the free will of the owner. Now, the moral principles have been flipped on their heads. Now it is considered a right to take from people who worked for it. We the people use government to steal from others and distribute it among us. If we steal ourselves from others we will be met with resistance. But who can fight government with big guns?

    Government does not force free stuff in our throats. We tell government what we want from it and it complies. Our government is not composed of creatures form another planet or they are some divine or supreme beings on which we have no control. They are our brothers and sisters. They are us. Remember we elect our government.

    It is people’s job to keep the 3 branches of government under check. At present, all 3 branches of government are running amok. They have been trampling the constitution under their feet as a worthless piece of paper. They do not believe in constitutional, God given or natural rights. They create and eliminate rights as they please. They have the power because people have ‘given up’ their powers to them. You cannot trust or rely on any one branch of government. As long as people are weak the government will be tyrannical. We want government to change itself and that is not going to happen until we change ourselves.

    • Quester55

      Ibn, In the Not Quite 1950’s mankind in this Country, had a very MORAL belief that STEALING was WRONG. That Adultery was A Sin to Avoid & Many Still had the FAITH to Honor GOD, Their Creator, Every SATURDAY & SUNDAY.
      We also Relied on each other in Small Disasters, or our neighbors for Aid, to Work our farm, If the Farmer was to sick to do it.
      MEN! In our Military along with WOMEN Willing to lay down their lives for their country so that we all could remain free!
      Then in the 60’s, WE Where INVADED by SOCIALIST & COMMUNIST, Working undercover in our School systems, Slowly & Ever so Quietly, to cause Division, with the Status Que.
      These Activity’s included; The forming of the A.C.L.U., then PLANED PARENTHOOD, And other such Groups that promoted SOCIALISM in all things!

      These Changes didn’t happen over night, No, They took months, Sometimes Years, to develop, however then only got Stronger with the passage of time. The Film Industry played an important roll as well. Making even the Simple Child’s movies into X-Rated Skin Flicks, Driving home that All SEX (Outside of Marriage) was the IN Thing!

      We Taught our Children to have FAITH in our Creator(Jesus) However that became Taboo When The Socialistic Atheist Demanded that the (SO-CALLED) United States Supreme Court REMOVE the First Amendment covering CHURCHES Authority in Public Schools!
      As a result, We now have more,” FILLED Prisons, Teen

      Pregnancy’s, Divorced Family’s, Increased Homosexuality,In our

      Young! And as a result of Government Ran Schools, Less & less students that can READ! Do Simple math, in fact, Our school Systems are a Joke!! The School Year is Made up of Mostly Electives and very few Required courses, Why?, The Major excuse seems to be: we don’t want to FORCE the students, It mat turn them away from wanting a Good Education!!
      We even see the Effects in the work place. Where once upon a time, Hard Work & Loyalty was Paid for by getting a Raise or Advancement, However that has taken a turn for the worse, Now if you Desire an Raise, Your Libel to get Fired! and if your Approaching Retirement, you run the risk of ” Down Sizing, Termination) Just before you Quality for a Pension! Thus Saving the Company Thousands & Giving the Loyal Worker the Shaft!!
      We the People of These United (Divided)States of America, Ultimately Deserve Just what WE Got, In payment for ” Passing the buck, When it was our Turn to make changes”, Or when WE CLEARLY Saw the

      ” WRITING ON THE WALLS ” & CHOSE TO DO NOTHING too CHANGE IT in our favor!
      Finally, After nearly 60 years of ” Wandering in the Wilderness, We have the Single Chance to TURN Around & What Do you Do?,

      You set behind KEY BOARDS, Complaining about How it’s NOT MY FAULT, Therefore it must be someone Else’s Fault! PASSING the Buck on to someone or Something ELSE, The very SAME THING that started this whole mess in the First Place!!

      • macgyver1948

        Quester55.;.. How is the thunderstorm? Are you still cheering it (YA) as many of us would?

        You asked me to send you a message and now that I read you I wonder what to expect. I know, from this one of your comments, anything that has gone wrong in my life was caused by me or I allowed it to be even if not intentional.

        You seem top be blaming all of America’s woes on who you see as “SOCIALIST & COMMUNIST”. I do not know any commies, I am really thankful for that but I am glad I know about what I want avoided here, but as for socialists I see loads of “only we are always right” talk which is a bad guy socialist or Nazi thing. Nazis are as bad a bunch of guys as we can get but I had to include them and they should be avoided along with the commies or any group which will not allow the same rights for others as they demand (Liberty and Freedom) for themselves. Those groups are as bad for us as the Nazis and Commies, whatever the call themselves here. They could even be the enemy within.

        I am for individual liberty and freedom for all – equally. As an American to me that means I will not tell others how to live their lives as long as no laws are broken but most of that I leave to the fuzz especially if no one is hurt. I will defend your beliefs even if I do not agree with them. I am a “Don’t tread on me or my fellow Americans” kind of guy. I feel all religions deserve the same respect, no one is better than any other. When someone tells me my religion is wrong because I do not adhere to their religious practices and beliefs I see them as a Nazi kind of person.

        I see so much wrong with our political system, both sides of the aisle, and that scares me. I see so much weakening of our Constitution by our politicians and that I believe is for the benefit and protection of the big corporations, not We The People. The Constitution was written and put into place for our protection from government and not the other way around but for some reason government officials feel they can do what they want with it. I also believe that weakening is a treasonous act by any politician who is involved but that is a whole other adventure which should be heavily addressed separately.

        An example of those treasonous acts was when the little bush and Home Land security opened up snooping on all and any phone calls without a warrant and it is getting worse since. The Founding fathers warned us about Corporations/Banks and their huge money influence on our Elected officials but with all the historical proof of their concerns, especially since Reconstruction after the Civil War, we still haven’t learned a d*amn thing. We seem to just ignore their warnings.

        Because of your thunderstorm you asked me to leave you a
        message/Comment & you would get back to me Later! In my brief summery of what I feel did I answer you as you requested? Is it what you expected since we have never shared thoughts before?

        • Quester55

          Well, The Storm was very refreshing & we in S.E.Texas, really needed it.

          As for your many comments, all I can make out of them, are these simple observations ; Like Millions of others, Your Content with the Current Status Quot, Your Kind are those that seem to Fear, ” making Waves”, in an Society that Fears it’s own shadows.

          Again, Like the Sleeping Millions before you, You chose to live a Stagnate life, Free to do as you please, When you Please & Where you please & let the rest of the people to their own Stagnate way of life.

          Your views on what YOU think an American should be & how You, Yourself conduct your life, Must be Followed or if Anyone Disagrees with your ” Way of Thinking’, Then they are NAZI’S!

          As for your Views on religions, I Feel that You & Billions like you, Will Fail to see the truth for what it is, rather than digging for the truth on your own.

          The Poor CATHOLICS of Old, Where Butchered & Killed, BY The CHURCH CATHOLIC) if they Chose to Follow GOD’S Way & Not the POPE’S!!

          The Early Catholic Church, has Tons of BLOOD on it’s Hands from The Past to the present, yet, With the Exception of Some priest & a Few Outsiders, This Information goes unread!

          MINE is NOT a RELIGION, Mine is a FAITH & Yes Their is a Difference!

          Look, You Have your Truth & I have Mine, All I try to relay to others is the willingness to learn, or Dig Below the surface of a Topic, to get at the Truth.

          If you wish to Continue, leave a Comment, if Not, Oh Well .Go in peace.

          • macgyver1948

            Quester55…Thank you for your response. I think you miss my points but I am used to that here. I am for individual liberty and freedom wit total equality in that for all of us as long as people do not hurt one another while realizing their freedom. I am not so sure you are but I am only going by what you say but maybe I am seeing that incorrectly.

            Fact is I allow for differing views from mine, I enjoy them as well as respect them so I can learn about different people. I referred to some as Nazi when those people act in ways that are saying something
            like “if you do not agree with me you are wrong because we have to be right”. I thought I expressed that to you.

            My life in not stagnant, as you say, but it is not going to be displayed in here. I do not take the word of any political without looking into what they are saying with pretty through research. I see so many people here listening to their Right wing leaders and writers and
            taking what they hear and read as gospel without so much a faxt Google” type read. I think that is sad. I listen to the Dems and at times I find out they are full of dung in what they say. So much more often I find that with The Right. I look at issues, not the side of
            the aisle, regardless of which side is pushing them and if what I find out in the background feels correct to me I go for it. I also look at the motivations of the issue pushes and if I see he/she is really support groups that do not benefit most of us I wont support that issue.

            You say “MINE is NOT a RELIGION, Mine is a FAITH & Yes Their is a Difference!”. I think that is an easy obvious statement. God created faith and spirituality and Man created religion. There is a huge difference. One is the real thing, by God, and the others are so
            many different ways Man chooses to recognizer God.

            I know, as you say, “The Early Catholic Church, has Tons of BLOOD on it’s Hands from The Past to the present, yet, With the Exception of Some priest & a Few Outsiders, This Information goes unread!” I
            am a huge history buff and I read a lot. I would go as far as suggesting that the immoral, my opinion, Roman Empire evolved into the Catholic for survival sake. I see the Crusades as a “Roman Empire” like attempt at expansion. They simply wanted land and control, in the Middle East which neither as the Roman Empire or The Catholic Church were morally entitled to. I also have read a whole lot of early World history as Rome evolved into the Church and a lot of that had to include the Emperor Constantine. He is interesting
            reading from history and I bet many Christian since and now would never agree with that history.

            With all that said I think you read something I mentioned to someone else here. I was then referring to a comment some one made saying “The Pope is the head of a false Church”, well something like that.The
            Catholics are as much Christian as any Protestants for the simple reason they pray to and believe in Jesus and that is enough to be considered a “Christian”. Those who are descendants of PRO-TESTANTS do not have the right to say who is or show isn’t and I
            think it is to justify their protesting in the past. If one wants to split from the original first sanctioned Christian church, and later its bible, go for it but be godly in doing so and insulting and disrespectful to this day about it. I am not referring to you but just in general.

            You say “Look, You Have your Truth & I have Mine, All I try to relay to others is the willingness to learn, or Dig Below the surface of a Topic, to get at the Truth”.

            I agree and since you say at the end “If you wish to Continue, leave a Comment, if Not, Oh Well .Go in peace” I would like to continue this as long as we remain respectful and excepting of each other’s
            views and beliefs without expecting the other to convert to our own beliefs. That expecting is not learning or sharing, it must be done willingly but that seems so difficult for many in this site and it
            leads to disrespectful comments. I am here to learn about other people and their beliefs and I do not expect anyone to just agree with me and convert. My dad told me often as I was growing up that I
            seem to need all the details and that is why I read so much. It was to find out and learn the details as much as possible.

            So if we can be respectful, without the usual disagreeing name calling and disrespect so often occurring with a preemptive strike which
            seems so common on this site, and not expect that conversion I would like to continue. Peace is a good thing to share. Maybe we can learn some things from each other.

            I am glad the storm past by peacefully and did no major harm in your area.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Cicero stated that NATURE gives both JUSTICE and LAW to man from the meaning and purpose of man and from his connection/association in the society.

    For Cicero, NATURAL LAW obligates/requires man to contribute to the good of the society.

    In his view, “WICKED AND UNJUST STATUTES are anything BUT ‘laws,'” because “in the very definition of the term ‘LAW’ there is inherent the idea and principle of choosing WHAT IS JUST AND TRUE.” (Cicero, De Legibus, bk. 2, sec. 11)

    Law for Cicero, “OUGHT TO BE a reformer of immorality and a stimulus/
    motivation to virtue”

    In his view the PURPOSE OF POSITIVE LAWS is to provide for “the SAFETY of citizens, the PRESERVATION OF STATES, and the tranquility and happiness of HUMAN LIFE.” (Cicero, De Legibus, bk. 1, sec. 58)

    Marcus Tullius Cicero was a philosopher, politician, lawyer, orator, political theorist and constitutionalist of the Roman Republic.

    P.S. Our Congress knows that the #1 job of any President of the United States is keep citizens safe. And the same Congress is aware that now “The #1 job … has been handled in the SCHIZOPHRENIC manner”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU3BL8O5Gac

  • Dave

    Excellent article, Brandon! I must say that I believe we see every instance of what you write about, right now
    And the politicians we elected to help protect us from this kind crap turn a blind eye to all the misdeeds of the administration, current and former.
    I’m sick of all the RINO’s and Progressives dictating our lives. We need a change!

    • CommonSense4America

      We need a third party.

  • TML

    I can think of no other truth in my mind than that of a collective genius in the two last centuries; In matters of style swim like the current; in matters of principle stand like a rock. Fine article

  • LadyFloridaCracker

    HURRY! To “know” what happens next get these books and read them…THE HARBINGER by JONATHAN CAHN, THE PSALM 83 WAR by BILL SALAS, and THE BROTHERHOOD by ERICK STECKLBACK. Hurry, they can’t keep them printed fast enough!!!!

  • rick0857

    Did I or did I not just read a synopsis of the obama administrations plan for America?