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How ‘Justice’ Suits The Liberal Agenda

April 16, 2012 by  

How ‘Justice’ Suits The Liberal Agenda
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Has Trayvon Martin unwittingly and posthumously become the face of big government?

The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) says it has become the recent victim of liberal political opportunism sparked by recent events in the news.

For more than 30 years, the nonprofit organization has been a key player in promoting legislation throughout the Nation that it sees as beneficial to the advancement of the Jeffersonian principles of free markets, limited government, Federalism and individual liberty in the United States. ALEC says in its mission statement that it promotes the aforementioned principles by aiding in the development of policies based on the Constitutional premise that governmental powers “are derived from, and assigned to, first the People, then the States, and finally, the Federal Government.”

And for its dedication to small government and personal freedoms, ALEC says that liberals who favor “state-dependent utopia” detest the organization.

ALEC has helped to pen legislation that would help to privatize some aspects of education, cut social welfare programs, combat healthcare initiatives like Obamacare and implement voter ID laws, among bills pushing for other conservative reforms. The organization has also advocated Stand Your Ground laws in States throughout the Nation, which has sparked a liberal attack on its policy initiatives in the wake of the Trayvon Martin controversy.

Over the past couple of weeks, liberal pressure on corporate sponsors of ALEC has led companies like Coca-Cola Co., PepsiCo Inc., McDonald’s Corp., Kraft Foods Inc., The Wendy’s Company and Intuit Inc., as well as the philanthropic Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to publicly sever financial ties with the free-market and personal liberty advocate.

Liberals like the writers at the left-leaning, anti-corporate blog “Crooks and Liars” applaud the companies for withdrawing ALEC support. A “Crooks and Liars” post states:”

As ALEC whines and twirls in a strange dance of damage control, remember that the Stand Your Ground law that triggered the corporate exodus from them is only the tip of the iceberg. They have done grave harm to many states and most people. Whether it’s education, Voter ID, health care, guns, or taxes, ALEC is the author of far too much turnkey legislation with deep and barbarous cuts to those institutions we hold dear in this country, like schools, and hospitals, and public streets. They deserve no sympathy, nor quarter. They should be accountable for each and every evil they have wrought on states and people who live in them, and those who sponsor their efforts should be equally accountable…

And ALEC agrees with the liberals who are urging customers throughout the country to call and complain to companies who support it on at least one thing: The liberal endeavor to destroy the nonprofit is a subversive effort to use a tragic situation to hamper the organization’s other legislative ambitions. It isn’t just about Stand Your Ground laws.

Ron Scheberle, Executive Director of ALEC said in a press release late last week:

First, the people now attacking ALEC and its members are the same people who have always pushed for big-government solutions. Our support for free markets and limited government stands in stark contrast to their state-dependent utopia. This is not about one piece of legislation. This is an attempt to silence our organization and it has been going on for more than a year.

Second, ALEC is one of America’s premier ideas laboratories when it comes to advocating free market reforms. We are a target because our opponents believe they have the opportunity to attack an effective, successful organization that promotes free-market, limited government policies that they disagree with. We work to promote the Freedom of Choice in Health Care initiative against ObamaCare’s individual mandate. We support fair tax policies and tort reform. This is an all-out intimidation campaign designed to promote government-based solutions rather than the free-market principles that we have seen work.

If ALEC is correct, one might suggest that through a campaign of liberal smoke and mirrors Martin has unwittingly and posthumously become the face of big government in the United States as a consequence of this liberal initiative. Is that the true meaning of justice to leftists in America?

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • cawmun cents

    Liberalism is a form of thugocracy.
    Nuff said,
    -CC.

    • eddie47d

      ALEC has an extreme agenda so I’m not sure why you choose to fawn over them unless you truly believe that this country needs to be run by any extremist group.(whether left or right). You have learned nothing with Citizens United which gave Corporations American citizenship on par with your own. If you haven’t seen Corporate thugocracy doing it’s work on Wall Street and in the boardrooms then you are not paying attention. ALEC is another organization giving them more blank checks to set their own rules in controlling the country. If you love lobbyists you will love ALEC even more.

      • http://elevatecoffeeco.wordpress.com Elevate Coffee Co

        Really Eddie??? You forgot to bring up our favorite thugocracy. The useless unions. Oh but that’s right you libs love the unions. The more I learn the more I believe that liberalism is a disease of the mind.

      • Rocky Night

        Eddie 47 why are you here? You hate every article and common sense replys that are in here.

        Go back to the Daily Kos with the rest of your comrads.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        eddie says “ALEC has an extreme agenda”. Here is what eddie and most liberals considers extreme:

        The mission of the American Legislative Exchange Council is:

        … to advance the Jeffersonian principles of free markets, limited government, federalism, and individual liberty, through a nonpartisan public-private partnership of America’s state legislators, members of the private sector, the federal government, and general public.

        … to promote these principles by developing policies that ensure the powers of government are derived from, and assigned to, first the People, then the States, and finally, the Federal Government.

        … to enlist state legislators from all parties and members of the private sector who share ALEC’s mission.

        … to conduct a policy making program that unites members of the public and private sectors in a dynamic partnership to support research, policy development, and dissemination activities.

        … to prepare the next generation of political leadership through educational programs that promote the principles of Jeffersonian democracy, which are necessary for a free society.
        http://www.alec.org/about-alec/

        That tells anyone all they need to know about the way eddie thinks.

      • eddie47d

        What ALEC declares as their goal or “words of wisdom” doesn’t match their activities. They interfere in every aspect imaginable from abortion,gun laws,personal liberties (for individuals) are ignored,corporate powers in elevating themselves above the citizen and one of your favorites: voting interference. I thought only liberals did that (as you all say). Apparently it’s okay for ALEC to have unnatural influences in the voting booth and in the state houses.. They already know how you think Jeff and no matter how hard you try it isn’t for the working man,the right to vote,equality and opportunity for all. Your undying support for corporatocracy has made that clear. You say you don’t like the Elites (moneyed interests) and then you fall back into bed with them.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        eddie, only you would say the things you say and believe them…one exception though…they’re all delusions in your mind. Bet you can’t prove anything you just said…your history is well known as a fabricator and a liar and clueless.
        Now put up or shut up…the balls in your court now!

    • Robert Smith

      “Over the past couple of weeks, liberal pressure on corporate sponsors of ALEC has led companies like Coca-Cola Co., PepsiCo Inc., McDonald’s Corp., Kraft Foods Inc., The Wendy’s Company and Intuit Inc., as well as the philanthropic Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to publicly sever financial ties with the free-market and personal liberty advocate.”

      Yup. Once folks realize just how extreme an organization is, just as Rush Limbaugh found out, their support goes away.

      Doesn’t a “free market” apply when companies choose what organizations they are going to support or does the extreme right feel that these nuts and extreme organizations are “owed” support from business?

      Looks like the gravy train has left the station without extremists from the right.

      Rob

      • samurai

        SSDD eh Rob? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • MAP

        And we can believe this valuable wisdom because it came from an extremist of the left, eh Robert? The left is statist and anti-freedom, the enemy of every liberty loving American.

      • Meteorlady

        No looks like the train left the station with the left extremists…. Why silence voices in this country? I don’t buy Progressive Insurance, quit AARP, don’t deal with any bank that took a bailout and think the ACLU and the NAACP are extremly radical. Sow what’s your point?

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Some hard truths about the disease called “liberalism”

        - At the most basic level, the Liberal is anti-God.
        - The Liberal vainly imagines that freedom from moral consequence can be secured by a collectivist, totalitarian state.
        - Liberals use moralistic platitudes and catchy phrases like “social justice” and “The Brotherhood of Man” to appeal to the naive masses who are duped into believing that the ultimate goals of Liberals are genuinely benign and beneficient.
        - The fundamental power struggle of Liberals may be classified as the individual versus the collective.
        - Liberals hate Individualism because it demands moral responsibility.
        - The U.S. Constitution and specifically the support for individualism which is evident in the Bill of Rights, is the enemy of the Liberal
        - In order to advance their agenda, Liberals create an atmosphere of crisis and fear that is used to justify their collectivist oppression.
        - Despite decades of spectacular failure in nation after nation, the Liberal clings to his collectivist dream because it is far more than a theory of government.
        - Liberals despise freedom because they despise morality.
        - The Liberal despises national sovereignty.
        - Private ownership of guns is the single greatest symbol of individual power, and therefore is despised by Liberals.
        - The Liberal’s only method of debate is to appeal to the emotions of mis-educated and illogical persons.
        - In the Liberal mind, your freedom is their oppression.
        - Private property and individual wealth is integral to individualism, and the enemy of the Liberal.
        - The Liberal seeks to replace a moral world-view with an emotional world-view.
        - Liberals are perfectly willing to destroy you financially, remove your children, and imprison you for what you believe. They are neither open-minded nor tolerant.
        - Whenever a Liberal expresses concern “for the children,” invariably they are using and targeting children to expand their own power, promote promiscuity, advance collectivism and enlarge their personal income at the expense of the taxpayer.
        - Liberals howl if a homosexual transvestite or convicted felon is even slightly offended, but they openly bash Christians.
        -

      • Robert Smith

        From JeffH: “- Private ownership of guns is the single greatest symbol of individual power, and therefore is despised by Liberals.”

        Nope. I own guns. Used to be an NRA member until they went nuts to the extreme right.

        Got anymore lies, JeffH?

        Ohhhhh, that’s righ, most of your list to demonize those who don’t agree with you. Typical from the right. It’s called “Swift Boating.”

        Rob

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        RS, nice try…but you failed miserably. A lie? WOW! Then again, you’re a liberal and you lie, so I guess you’d know a lie when you see one. There are exceptions to every rule or didn’t you know that? I guess you couldn’t find fault with the rest of the list…just sayin’…if it walks like a ? It must be a ?

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        “Swift Boating”? Never heard of “Swift Boating” until some of you liberals started using it and I looked it up…hmmm considering liberals are the experts at viscious ad hominem attacks I’m not surprised to see you use it. Just another underhanded liberal tactic for sure.

      • eddie47d

        Where were you all when Liberals were carrying signs for Individual Rights? They have been doing it for decades and you could even see it after the Civil War. What happened to those Liberals? They were crushed beaten and jailed by the police who were controlled by those in power. What have Conservatives done for Individual Rights that wasn’t fought for by Liberals? Conservatives don’t like Liberals because it messes with their orderly little world. They have to have someone to look down upon to elevate their own status. Keep enough citizens poor and unwilling to complain and you will have a steady stream of cheap labor. That has slightly changed with technology where most workers have to be smarter than a fence post but the over all attitude is still prevalent.

      • Opal the Gem

        “Nope. I own guns. Used to be an NRA member until they went nuts to the extreme right.”

        I seriously doubt you were ever a member of the NRA and that you own any guns.

    • Bob

      liberalism,progressivism,socialism, and communism, 4 stages of the same disease. For which there is no cure.!

      • Sirian

        Bob,
        Jokingly, there is a cure for all four diseases. It’s called 40 megaton radiation therapy. Although it is quite decisive in ridding the body of the cancer with which it is being plagued, there unfortunately are numerous side effects that will persist afterwards. This method of therapy is available remotely at any time it may be deemed necessary. It also may be directed to invade and destroy the disease be they in a single location or spread more broadly, multiple sites, within the body that is in need. Even so, there have been enough cures discovered that up to now there hasn’t been a call for this form of therapy. Hiroshima & Nagasaki were the initial clinical tests for this therapy and were found to be more effective than had been initially predicted. From these clinical tests further research followed and the therapy was refined to a point of true assuredness. So, if any of the four diseases do by chance reach a “critical”, and or “terminal” stage of development, this highly tested, with guaranteed quantitatively high mass return, this form of therapy can be administered quite readily. . . :)

  • Dad

    If you watch network TV and buy newspapers, YOU are the problem!

    • BobLawdog

      Dad…you are exactly right. Those sheep who knowingly or unknowingly buy into this propaganda are the ones responsible for the erosion of liberties they expound. It’s no secret that the MSM is biased, newsprint is a dying enterprise as is major network TV news. The far left’s biggest mistake is to assume that the people are stupid and that they are getting away with their agenda undetected. Look at the global warming scam….they’ve been outted by a myiad of sources and professionals, yet they still think they can get away with perpetrating this subversion of scietific data. When people want to move our government towards a marxist state, when it has failed time and time again everywhere its been tried, it is the epitomy of stupidity. Einstein said that stupidity is when you keep repeating the same experiment over and over and expect a different result. He also said “Only two things are infinite, the universe, and the stupidity of people in large groups.” Remember, our Constitution guarantees equal opportunity for all, not equal outcome.

      • GALT

        “For every subtle and complicated question there is a perfectly simple and straightforward answer which is WRONG!” H.L. Mencken

        Mr Rolley, I want to congratulate you, once again for your inciteful analysis, which so inspires those who just can’t resist those lovely and meaningless words and phrases……free markets, limited government, personal freedoms, etc……..

        Poor ALEC, I feel their pain…..and I see unemployment claims rising in the near future………but then this is the “free market” at work…..and when you fail to fool most of the people, most of the time…..change occurs……I wouldn’t worry too much, there is enough money available for it to return in another form……in fact, with the “law of the land” equating corporations with people, and speech with money…..such machinations are no longer necessary……for even with clear evidence, mythology trumps truth, and rhetoric trumps reason.

        Gone are the days when public opinion can be shaped and manipulated by controlling the limited sources of information available, as in the past……….with the internet, such control is no longer required, the status quo can be maintained by simply relying on the confusion of democratic opinion via all manner of outlets, realising that those who seek to verify their “opinions” will eventually find sites which cater to them……..so they can isolate their “willfull ignorance” and drive away any threat to it, since any “intelligently reasoned analysis” could never penetrate the resultant babble…..of those marvelously meaningless soundbite mantras……like free markets, limited government, and personal liberty…….without anyone ever having to worry that anyone will ever question, what the foundation for these “soundbites” actually mean……and what corelation they have to what REALLY EXISTS?

        It is possible although highly improbable that at some point, the unwitting victims of these false dichotomies and choices will wake up, for the have nots, far outnumber the haves…….in which case “caveat emptor” may no longer prove sufficient to prevent the assertion of “caveat venditor” in ways that might prove particularly distressing to those who have profited from maintaining “willfull ignorance” as a means of preserving their “power to abuse”?

        In the spirit of “limited government” and “equal JUSTICE under law”,

        Where are the common law and equity courts?

        http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=130&contentid=9559&page=2

    • eddie47d

      So now Boblawdog is trying to tie the rapid changing weather patterns into a Marxist conspiracy. I believe every nation whether Capitalist or Communist is affected by those changes. The countries doing the most damages to the environment are moving towards more Capitalism not Marxism so try pinning the tail on the right donkey. This is a worldwide problem that needs worldwide solutions.

      • castaway

        WOw Eddie how are you, ya old dog? GO LAY BY YOUR DISH, I just refilled it with fresh food. Although it may taste like almond, go ahead and chomp it down. Tsk Tsk. Global Warming argh, I cannot believe people are still even talking about this farse.

  • Flashy

    LOL…seems ALEC is seeing this as an opportunity to wave the ‘fear” flag and use the situation of “Stand your ground” laws to raise funds and enrich their alredy bloated coffers…as well as roil the waters by manioulting the three aspects of TPers…fear, hate, ignorance.

    Let’s be real. Only lunatics think a law which allows for someone to use a gun, then stand back and claim “I was afriad’ is a good thing. It’s just asking for someone to be killed. there are enough laws about self defense, and to give carte blanche to kill is absolute, without question, sheer lunacy.

    Despite the lying rhetoric, this administration has rolled back regulations, advocated policies, and stood aside as almost all gun restrictions have undergone a relaxation. Only those organizations and groups who use fear and hate and ignorance for fundrasing and power consolidation say otherwise.

    And to advocate for a law which legalizes killing? Jeesh …that’s not going off the deep edge? So…if i’m standing in line, and CC walks up and tries to cut in..and i push him aside…if I think…not know but just think that he’s reaching for iron, i can pop him and walk away without charges? THAT’s a good thing?

    Take the Martin/Zimmerman issue we have today.. Take out any opinion of right or wrong. fact is it flamed into a rcial issue. And Zimmerman went into hiding. Why? he is scared for his life. And rightfully so. Because if he is confronted by someone protesting or wantig to verbally rip into him…and he makes even the slightest move which may be taken as reaching for a gun (and the assumption would be he’s armed and willing to use it)…he could be capped right there and the shooter would walk.

    As I wrote the other week…it was a good thing he is now charged. As his attoryney stated (which i had opined on)…it gives time for matters to settle down, gives time to cushion the emotions, takes it out of the headlines, and freezes out the radicals on both sides. And gives Zimmerman the clear chance to clear his name. If he can.

    Now the question which should have been asked in the article above is…who funds ALEC, what does it support, and who will benefit? you should look into that. it will enlighten you and you’ll realize the truth

    y’all are being used and maniplated.

    Wake up.

    • Robert Smith

      From Flashy: “And gives Zimmerman the clear chance to clear his name. If he can.”

      He isn’t guilty until he is proven to be such.

      However, that proof is adding up. It has added up enough for his arrest.

      He’s already proven to be a liar due to his claim that it was he who screamed when there is a 99% chance he wasn’t (according to the 911 voice work done).

      His history is that of a frequent flyer with the police having called a bunch of times over trivial incidents.

      His history has a long documentation of temper issues having been fired from his job as a security guard.

      Hi is on record as arrested for an assault on a police officer.

      And a former girlfiend too out paper on him to keep him away.

      No individual thing should condemn Zimmerman, but when taken as a whole it paints a picture of a nut case with a gun itching for a fight. Remember, he could have quit when the police reccomended it, and he didn’t.

      Rob

      • Flashy

        That’s one side, and the other is amply given in the posts which will be written today. Fact is..it was a high tension, manipulated for gain by radicals on both sides, and he was in danger AND convicted in the minds of many and defended in the minds of some.

        But…by being charged, which should have been done in the first case, the tension is allevaited some and will decrease during time as the system begins the slow process. He will get his day in a fair hearing.

        More importantly, and this has the organizations such as ALEC concerned, the “Stand Your Ground” laws and the lunacy we are seeing in gun laws being essentially gutted will also have the day of reckoning.

        I think I can safely opine that soon, perhaps this year, there’s going to be a major scandal break loose in DC. We haven’t had a good hullabaloo scandal in a long time…too long. And folks are going to get complacent and face it, there are people currently sitting in Congress who have the IQ of a gnat and ain’t the sharpest pensil in the box.

        There’s a scandal brewin’ … and when it breaks, it will be interesting to see what laws result as far as campaign as well as substantive as the remainder of Congress scurries to show they’re as innocent as the pure driven snow.

      • Meteorlady

        So let me ask this. 5 Blacks kidnapped two white people and here’s what happened….
        The guys was raped, his penis cut off, and then he was murdered. They kep the woman alive for 4 days while they gang raped her, then cut off her breasts and poured various toxins down her throat and finally killed her.

        Why wasn’t that on the national news? Why was that not declared a hate crime? Where are all the “white” demonstrators and Jesse and Al?

      • Flashy

        Where did this occur? Did it really occur?

      • Crystal

        Meteorlady,

        Kenneth Chamberlain, a Black 68-year old Vietnam Veteran with a bad heart was murdered in cold blood by the white cops. His medical emergency alert button accidentally went off. The police called him “Nigger” through the door (it’s on tape) even after he told them he was alright and said “Semper Fi.” The white police mocked him, broke into his home, stunned him and then shot him to death.

        You know what the bad news is for the police, there was a hidden camera in his apartment and everything is on tape. Read your Military Newspapers. So for every crime you state Black people commit against whites, I can state a crime white people commit against blacks. Being a cop just doesn’t excuse you anymore.

      • guest

        Robert..As a volunteer watchman..it was his job to call police over suspious activity. The fact he did this rather than ‘jump the gun and provoke a confrontation tell’s me he was cautious. I listened to the father of Trayvon who stated it was NOT his son who was screaming.There are eye witnesses as well who heard and saw zimmerman plea for help.If Trayvon was not trying to be a ‘bad dude’ for the sake of his gf whom he was talking to and double back to assault Zimmerman he would still be alive today.The question is was Trayvon high? Thus his attack on Zimmerman.Trayvon was very close to his dad’s GF. house..why didn’t he continue on? We now know trayvon was not the innocent kid the media has portrayed. He was a gang wannabe kid who was suspended from school who at one time was found with women’s jewerly and a burglary tool in his backpack.It would be interesting to find if the recent burglaries occurred around the time trayvon began visiting his dad.

      • Opal the Gem

        Yes Flushy it happened in Knoxville Tenn.

      • Flashy

        Thanx Opal…found it. The crime occurred in 2007. There was no genetalia severed, though the crimes wre violent and ugly. Very sick and disturbed perps. i cannot recall if this made national news being as it occurred five years ago. however, all were caught, and severe sentences imposed. Death penalty for one, two life sentences with no posssibility of parole, and 53 years for another. A fifth was convicted in federal court for the car jacking and serving 18 years.

        Mutilation of genetalia is not true. All involved state there is no evidence this was a hate crime involving racism. Now…how would additional charges of a hate crime be of use? And why should it make national news?

        Compared to Martin/Zimmerman where it may indeed have racial overtones but more importantly, it brings the lunacy of of the current fad for Stand Your Ground laws into public debate.

      • Robert Smith

        From Meteor: “Why wasn’t that on the national news?”

        My guess is it’s a LIE.

        The extreme right couldn’t find anything real and horrible enough so they made it up.

        Rob

      • Dennis48e

        Get your head out of your ??? robert. Opal told you where to look in her reply to Flashy. The report I read did not give many details of the crime but it did occur.

      • eddie47d

        Yes that crime happened although there are gruesome crimes that happen in every state. Not everyone of them makes national headlines. That one could easily be a hate crime if they were kidnapped because they were white. Should be no different than the crime in Tulsa where it was two whites killing 5 blacks. They are all rotten.

    • MAP

      More valuable information from the commie corner: Flashy and Robert. With a big enough government and a big enough hammer, they will pound together a utopia, whether you like it or not. The perfect ideology for fools and morons.

      • Flashy

        MAP….do you ever have anything to say other than trash people and their opinions? Can you do anythinhg which would indicate you are a sentient being?

      • MAP

        Don’t let it bother you Flashy. I would rail every bit as much against Stalin and Hitler. Statists are anathema to the principles our nation was founded upon. Anyone that would preach the benefits of a leftist, totalitarian state is either a liar, a dreamer, or both.

      • Flashy

        Well…there’s the answer. You can’t. Fair enough … you’re one of the robotic fringe..

    • Zap

      YOU are an IDIOT! From the eyewitness accounts and what ZImmerman told the police, he was pursuing a strange-acting, unidentified person in his neighborhood and called 911. Zimmerman only got out of his vehicle to see what address he was at. Zimmerman posed no physical threat to Trayvon. It was Trayvon that made an unprovoked attack against ZImmerman. If Trayvon had not been acting in a suspicious manner, he probably wouldn’t have called attention to himself. If Trayvon had gone straight home, he might still be alive. If Trayvon had known ZImmerman was armed, he might not have attacked ZImmerman.

      You’re making arguments against “Stand Your Ground” laws. What would you have done if someone bigger and possibly more powerful than you, walked up to you, and began to beat the crap out of you, to the point you were wondering if the guy was guy was trying to kill you? Zimmerman was struck with several fist blows and Trayvon was using Zimmerman’s head to try and break the sidewalk into pieces. Contrary to your narrow-minded liberal view, people are killed without the use of a weapon. This has been done for thousands of years with well-placed fist blows and kicks. So if you had the use of a weapon to stop an attack that you thought might be endangering your life, would you consider using it?

      “Stand Your Ground” laws were enacted for people to be able to defend themselves against individual that mean harm to them. Why do you have to be killed, before you are allowed to defend yourself. The police usually arrive AFTER a crime has been committed. Crooks are usually cowards that prey upon people, because they have a weapon and their victims don’t. According to your statements, it’s ok for any perp to beat a person to death if the person is unable to defend themselves. This is stupid. It seems to be the case in this situation. Zimmerman cried out for help several times, but no one came to his rescue. Why was Zimmerman not allowed to defend himself? Trayvon did not just get in a couple licks and run. He was in it to really hurt Zimmerman. Zimmerman used deadly, but not excessive force. He shot once and that stopped the attack.

      Self-defense and concealed laws were enacted for people not to have to be a crime statistic and not have to fear prosecution for exercising those rights. For years, criminals have had more rights than the average person. Any states that these type laws have been enacted, there has been a drop in violent crimes. The cities with the highest murder and crime rates in this country have the toughest gun control laws. There are two reasons why self defense laws work: 1) if you kill the bad guy, he can’t continue in his life of crime. 2) bad guys think twice about attacking someone that may have the ability to kill them. The country with the lowest crime rate is Switzerland. Why? Everyone in that country is trained with firearms and they all have one in their house. The county in the U.S. that has the lowest crime rate, has the same exact law. Nuff said?

      The racial issue has been something stirred up by the race baiters and hate mongers within the black community, the DemocRAT Party, and the news media. I think their main purpose was to get the worthless BO reelected by dividing the country more. The question no one wants to ask: why was Trayvon there in the first place? Tryavon was expelled from school for having drugs, burglar tools, and women’s jewelry in his possession. This should raise the question: was this kid a drug dealer or breaking into places to enhance his living conditions? The boy had what appeared in one of his recent photos, to have maybe a couple thousand dollars worth of a “gold tooth display”. How did he get the money for that? Did his parents pay for that, did he have a job, or did his illegal activities help pay for them? You should then ask yourself, was Trayvon in that neighborhood at that time of night acting strangely to score some drugs or find some merchandise to help support his habits?

    • TML

      Flashy says, “Let’s be real. Only lunatics think a law which allows for someone to use a gun, then stand back and claim “I was afriad’ is a good thing. It’s just asking for someone to be killed. there are enough laws about self defense, and to give carte blanche to kill is absolute, without question, sheer lunacy.”

      Well, I’d call that an opinion based on fear, hate, and ignorance rather than being ‘real’. There are still certain provisions for Stand Your Ground laws to be applicable, and are subject to police investigation.

      Is it lunacy to use deadly force if someone is attacking you in your home? No.
      Is it lunacy to use deadly force if someone is attacking you in your car? No.
      Is it lunacy to use deadly force if someone is attacking you, anywhere you legally have a right to be? No.

      “And to advocate for a law which legalizes killing? Jeesh …that’s not going off the deep edge?”

      It doesn’t legalize killing, it legalizes self defense.

      “So…if i’m standing in line, and CC walks up and tries to cut in..and i push him aside…”

      Stop… no, absolutely not. The laws clearly state that you can not provoke the assault, which is further emphasized by the SCOTUS decision Beard v. U.S. 1895.

      “And rightfully so. Because if he is confronted by someone protesting or wantig to verbally rip into him…and he makes even the slightest move which may be taken as reaching for a gun (and the assumption would be he’s armed and willing to use it)…he could be capped right there and the shooter would walk.”

      Again, you are not allowed to provoke the attack under Stand You Ground laws

    • Earl

      Hey Flushy-
      Just a few points: first, Florida (where I live) has had its concealed carry law since 1987. In that time crime has dropped dramatically. second, The “stand your ground law” modification simply means that if a gun owner and CCW liscencee is confronted with a fight- or -flight situation, they no longer have to first attempt an escape, which could, in certain circumstances, be deadly.

      Having cleared the air on that issue, The Zim was charged as much for a sop to the ravening masses calling for blood as for anything else. The top lawyer in America (at least on the leftish side), Alan Dershowitz, says the state has no case and that he will be acquitted. I have followed this closely from the git-go, and can pretty much assure you that any rational thinking person will arrive at the same conclusion. The only racism evident in this case was that of Trayvon Martin (NO_LIMIT_NIGGAH), His twitter handle,( I have 152 pages of it on my hard drive)! Some of the foulest talk from a 17 Y/O racist I’ve ever seen. Seeing is believing… Not to mention a thief and in possesion of burglary tools in His High school along with 12 pieces of jewelery not belonging to him . Granted, if Zimmerman had ignored him and not done his duty as a neighborhood security advocate, none of this would have happened. He did have the right, though, to do what he did in questioning Trayvon’s suspicious behaviour. I would have done the same thing………Trayvon’s mistake was to double back around and attack Mr. Zimmerman from the side and sucker-punch him, knocking him to the ground ( Poor little Trayvon was 6’3″ and 160 Lb. in his prime)

      I have been A CCW for almost 18 years and a lifelong shooter, so I know left from right and up from down (in my 68 years). Never had to draw on anyone yet, but I can see that happening someday. Society ain’t what it used to be………………..Get real folks, the hour is late.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon

    Bill Cosby just came out and said that the issue in the Martin case is not race but guns, just as the issue in Fast and Furious is not DOJ malfeasance but gun control. Martin and his family are just pawns in the liberal game.

    Second, “stand your ground” laws are common. Over 30 states have such laws. Even California is a “stand your ground” state, and California is hardly a conservative hotbed. These laws are an evolution from the “rule of retreat”, and evolved because that rule caused deaths and bodily harm to the victims.

    As for your final question, I have one for you: who funds Obama, what do they support, and who will their donations benefit? You should look into that. It will enlighten you, and you’ll realize the truth.

  • Flashy

    1. i can see you have the intellectual depth of a mud puddle
    2. Doesn’t matter how ‘common’ Stand your Ground laws are…the point is they are fostered, supported, and utilized by a lunatic fringe. So if i perceive you are reaching for a gun after confronting you for cutting in line, and i snuff you…that’s legit in your eyes?
    3. i refer you back to #1.

    • Meteorlady

      So when I got to my car in a upscale mall parking lot and was accosted by three Mexicans with knives wanting me to drive them, was I supposed to just leave my gun my purse or was I supposed to defend myself? I chose to defend myself. I reach in my purse “looking for my keys” and pull out the gun. The cowards ran like the dogs they were. The police showed up about 20 minutes later and the Mexicans were never caught.

      I have taken no less than six gun classes and am proficient at defending myself. That’s what this world of liberalism is getting for me. People believe they are entitled to whatever I have even though they didn’t work for it, they want to take it by force or whatever means the can. We have murderes, rapes, robberies, car jacking, drive-by shootings, and home invasions going on and they want to disarm honest citizens?

      I believe that Zimmerman should have backed off after calling 911 and let the police handle it. At that time he was not appear to be in any danger. But this is certainly not a case of HATE. What the 5 Blacks did to the white couple was hate… but since they were white I guess it doesn’t count. When some people say Zimmerman should be hunted down and hot, that’s hate. That’s how one sided you liberals have become.

    • Ted Crawford

      There is nothing the criminal loves more than a pandering politican that passes laws to further disadvantage his intended victums. They even donate heavely to them , from the monies plundered from previous victums, hoping the idiots will pass even more laws restricting law abiding citizens. After all it make it much easier to conduct their business!

      • Flashy

        Ted…if i may point out to you some characteristics which you would agree with.

        A reliance upon free enterpise and individual effort
        Strong monetary principles
        Non union membership being in disdain of closed shops, and do their level best to see most stay open
        Against state interference of any kind being a profession of rugged individualists

        You would agree would you not that such are the basic foundational principles the TPers and the Right admire?

        I just described the common criminal. which you have agreed above to possessing the principles and profile which you admire ….

        Think about that ….

    • Jefferson Thomas

      1. ad hominem attack…disregarded.
      2. Lunatic fringe not defined…statement is meaningless. Did you mean the New Black Panther Party when you said lunatic fringe? I think you should confront them without a weapon and tell them they are in your words “the lunatic fringe”.
      3. I refer you back to number 1

    • Opal the Gem

      Flashy says:
      1. i can see you have the intellectual depth of a mud puddle

      Flushy that is about 100 times your intellectial depth.

      • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

        Opal, that Flashy idiot, I believe he belongs to Obumer’s group, a group who believes that Obumer is the anointed one and he can’t do anything wrong. Oh, he also believes it ok to fly an abomination of the US Flag. I’m talking about the one that first appeared in Florida at the Democratic Headquartes and now again in New York.

  • Meteorlady

    So all the mentioned companies are now off my list of place to support with my dollars. I also include 21st Century Insurance (formally AIG), Progressive Insurance, AARP, GM, Chrylser, and any bank that took a bailout.

    • Ted Crawford

      You’re just proof positive that P.T. Barnum was correct! There is one born every minute!

      • Ted Crawford

        Sorry Meteorlady!! I misread your statement, comes from being old and half blind, and perhaps not overly bright!
        I believe that you are taking exactly the correct stand!

    • old hillbilly

      Remember the rats – someone needs to start an e-mail campaign giving zero cokes a new meaning, in fact zero coke, pepsi, wendys, mcdonald & kraft = no more junk food = no more junk government!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003405946018 Jerry

        Zimmerman had been following Martin on foot for some ditacnse and shot him for no apparent reason. So to continue to say that the prosecutor’s judgment must have been correct and the investigator’s must have been wrong is beyond irrational. There was plenty about that case that was questionable from the beginning, and investigation should have continued.Now, if you want to argue that it was correct under Florida law to not arrest and charge Zimmerman on the spot, OK. From what I can tell that is possibly so. But to simply take Zimmerman’s word about what happened and not even investigate further is beyond incompetence.3. The plain fact is that there WAS evidence all along that called Zimmerman’s account of things into question, and for the prosecutor to say he couldn’t dispute Zimmerman’s testimony is outrageous on its face.4. The leaking of the school records makes the police look even worse. Instead of issuing statements explaining their actions and decisions, they begin a smear campaign of Trayvon Martin. It looks as if they knew they screwed up and were just covering their butts; that’s why people are angry about the leak. I can’t imagine why the school records would come up in the trial, however. I think most judges would say they aren’t relevant to the case.5. It might be there was some reason Martin’s body was tagged John Doe, but again, the significance of this is that it LOOKS as if the Sanford police simply weren’t taking the death seriously. Again, there may be a perfectly good reason for the delay, but a competent police department would have explained that reason instead of leaking the victim’s school records.As far as the location car is concerned, I give you credit for trying to understand this.I’m sorry I can’t find it now, but last week one of the cable shows had a segment in which a woman walked the route of the pursuit and shooting. The place where Martin was killed was straight down a sidewalk from his dad’s girlfriend’s house, and at least a few yards from the road or anywhere a car might have been. From this, it would appear that Martin was walking straight back to the house and Zimmerman was following him on foot. Maybe this is wrong, but it’s certainly plausible. It’s the sort of thing that needs to be considered by a jury. Which bring us back to the real issue, which is that the only reason this case is a big bleeping deal to most of us on the Left is the police inaction. Maybe the reason for this inaction is something other than racism on the part of the police. And yeah, Al Sharpton is grandstanding overmuch. But given the long sad history of racial injustice on the part of the criminal justice system in this country, it’s not irrational to think that racism is the most likely reason the police were not taking the death of a black teenager seriously. And if the reason is something other than racism, at this point the nation needs to know that.

  • http://roadrunner.com sonny

    flashy, you are intitled to your opion, however cheap talk is the insterment of fools, sounds like you have a ax to grind with whats right with this country. so feel free to move.

    • Flashy

      Sigh…just another ranting member of the extreme Right….can’t offer any viable solutions so just spouts off and criticizes like an armchair quarterback who nobody listens to (but laughs at)

      no problem. got ya pegged.

      • MAP

        More pathetic advice from the extreme left. Flashes criticizes, laughs at and antagonizes others. More worthless, leftist nonsense taking up space at this blog. A horse leaves better stuff behind than Flashy. At least with the horse you can use it for compost.

      • Opal the Gem

        Well Flyshy since you are a proven lier many times over we know what your “facts” opinions and solutions are worth.

  • old hillbilly

    slightly tanget to the subject, but definately gets to the root of bitter thorn trees sprouting here, there, and everywhere—

    Is Led-roy a racist follower? Who should we follow?
    Poke a stick at a snake at it will strike – better than getting bitten by one without warning, “lying” in wait, living to poison whatever comes bye. Puppets can’t comprehend Constitutions because they’re blinded by hate & only utter sounds of wind blown between the ears.

    Murder… pursuer… aggressor… mighty strong words echoed from communist progressives and the few “throw-back darkies” that poison the congress, media and small racist controlled pockets of society. Being too lazy and worthless to feed themselves, let alone help someone learn how to be self sufficient and productive… doesn’t entitle anyone to anyone else’s person, houses, papers, and effects! Before you fall off your roost and awaken everybody for miles around, rollback & try to comprehend the less than 500 words in Articles 1, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 13sec1, & 14sec1! They’re personal rights! They restrict government! The national corporate media monopolies that are licensed and controlled by government were caught violating those rights, but were never held accountable by our racist DOJ atty. General (Holder) or any other oath sworn arm of justice!

    Hispanic hater? Who would shriek “white man – killer” and point fingers at one who has unmistakable South America characteristics. How can you shriek “aggressor” when he was the one on the bottom being pounded at the will of the one on top! Since when is self defense, murder? Justice dies when we’re no longer an open society, where speech can be offensive and criminal, where evidence can be suppressed by “political correctness”, communism, dictatorships, mob action, or to subvert justice! So far, there is zero public information that justifies homicide or murder 2! There is clear evidence of injustice by public officials (read Amends 4 & 5 again!).

    It’s all about hatred – a thriving profitable industry of professional hate-mongers! Say the word “negro” or any slang derivations thereof, and there are idiots out there who think they have a right to silence speech and kill if necessary! Hate-mongers continue inciting dictatorial speech control to levels of violence, because they are not held accountable for inciting mayhem to points where justice is subverted! Think about what has been said in a near vacuum of facts. Raging hate with violent physical contact is cause for self defense! If “T” was on top pounding “Z’s” head on the sidewalk, he was acting to harm, not restrain “Z”. If “Z” was on his back being beaten, he was unable to control the situation and in grave danger!

    Race baiting will go away when baiters are held accountable, and everyone is held to the Constitution instead of whim of the day or “special considerations” because some brain deadbeat bureaucrat rules favor or disfavor because of skin color, size, sex, or personal “looks”! Only the Constitution and truth will free us.

  • T. Jefferson

    Justice under the liberal agenda is for liberals only, the rest of us are screwed.

    • Flashy

      Then become a Liberal. See how easy that was to solve?

      • castaway

        Flashy as a very young man, I was somewhat liberal, and then something amazing happened. I grew up! Whats your problem???

      • Flashy

        The difference between you and I is that I grew up, and became wiser…

      • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

        Flashy, you are one screwed up idiot and here’s why I think that way. 1) You believe in a Government that controls every iota of your life, 2) You think that the world owes you a living and 3) See #1.

        I for one don’t want some elected or even unelected idiot telling me what to eat, telling me how to raise my children and mose of all telling that I have to buy something that I don’t want. If you do why don’t you move to Cuba or any other Socialist/Communist country.

  • castaway

    Do any of us really like, or want liberal/ commy opinions? I for one do not, and do not put much of anything on what Eddie or Flashy have to say.

    • Flashy

      Castaway…seems you have a high regard then for what i write than i for what you write.

  • jopa

    The bottom line is if the corporate sponsors of ALEC thought the organization was good for America they would not have pulled their sponsorship.This ALEC thing is like the US Chamber of Commerce in that most people don’t even know how many foreign countries belong to it.They think it’s like their local chamber only bigger.

  • Robert Smith

    From jopa: “The bottom line is if the corporate sponsors of ALEC thought the organization was good for America they would not have pulled their sponsorship.”

    Corporations don’t care about “what’s good for America.” They care about what’s good for the corporation.

    If they cared about America they wouldn’t be off shore for tax reasons.

    If they cared about America they wuldn’t continue to export jobs.

    If they cared about America they would be supporting universal health care.

    Rob

    • chuckb

      most corporations are offshore for good reasons, caused by the liberal governing , taxation, unionism and extreme environmental laws.

    • Jefferson Thomas

      Define America.

      Define corporations.

      Which corporations don’t care about “America”? The corporations who provide products and services for people?

      Since corporations are made up of people and governments are made up of people does this mean that all people in government in America do not have any tax loop holes they take advantage of?

      People in government do not have offshore investments, accounts, and property?

      People in government never purchase any products that are manufactured in a foreign country?

      People in government do not have better health care than people in the private sector?

      People in government do not make more on average and have better benefits and retirement packages that people in corporations and the private sector?

      I did not research the statistics but I am willing to bet that a majority of the representatives and presidents own shares in or are owners of a corporation.

      I would also say that it is highly likely that your retirement is invested in corporations.

      Is it ever possible that what is good for a corporation is good for America?

      What are the best interests of the individuals who live in America? Do you decide this? Does some elitist committee decide this?

      If you want to form a corporation and pay more taxes then go for it.

      If you personally want to pay more in taxes then do so. You should form a special organization that convinces people that it is their duty to pay more in taxes. Nothing is stopping you from writing out a check to the government right now. Of course that is not the point. You and people like you want to force others to pay more for you and your interests through the coercion and force operations of the governmental operations of “America”.

      “Government is that great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else”…Frederic Bastiat (I believe he wrote this)

    • eddie47d

      Actually Chuck B you gave reasons why Corporations should be scorned. Defrauding the honest taxpayers, demanding cheap labor,breaking environmental laws to increase their bottom line and hiding behind devious groups like Citizens United and ALEC who are now doing their dirty work for them.

  • Jeremy Leochner

    I have not heard much of the ALEC. I don’t think I would agree with them on privatizing education or welfare. I don’t believe liberals are out to get them though. Disagreeing with something dose not mean your personal mission is to destroy them. Perhaps there are organizations or bloggers who are dedicated to destroying or stopping the ALEC but that dose not mean liberals or leftists in general want it. Like I said I have never heard much of the ALEC so I have never harbored any desire to stop or really do anything towards them.And since I am a liberal I don’t think I can be out to get them if I have never heard of them. My point is we should focus on the debate between the ALEC and those who do want to challenge them. Not devolve to accusations of a liberal conspiracy against the ALEC. I think it does the ALEC more harm then good.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Eternal Principles to Ponder. –Author unknown

    1.You will never outgrow warfare, you simply must learn to fight. (Eph. 6:12)

    2.God’s purpose in your crisis is not your survival, but your education. (Deut.8 1-2)

    3.Nothing is ever as bad as it first appears. (Psalms 138:7-8)

    4.All great men attract Satanic attention. (John 1:9-12)

    5.All men fall… Great men get back up. (Psalms 37:23-24)

    6.Satan always attacks what he fears the most. (Matthew 2:3)

    7.Struggle is the proof you have not yet been conquered. (II Cor. 4:8,9)

    8.Satan’s favorite entry point will always be through those closest to you. (Micah 7:6)

    9.You will never win a spiritual battle logically. (II Cor. 10:3)

    10.Pain is merely a passage to a miracle. (Psalms 30:5)

    11.Warfare always surrounds the birth of a miracle. (Matt. 2:13)

    12.Crisis always occurs at the curve of change. (Gen. 13:1, 6-7)

    13.Satan always attacks those who are next in line for a promotion. (Job 2:3)

    14.Stop looking at what you can see and start looking at what you can have. (Num. 14:8)

    15.No one has been a loser longer than Satan. (Rev. 12:9)

    16.Never speak words that make Satan think he’s winning. (Dan. 3:17)

    17.Battle is your chance for recognition… both in heaven and hell. (I Tim. 6:12)

    Two Important Closing Truths

    1.Your battle is always for a reason.
    2.Your battle is always for a reason.

    Well, go ahead and get back up and going! Something good is enroute from the Father today.

    • eddie47d

      Great historical quotes. Now is number 8 geared towards the President in the Conservatives continual attacks against Michelle?

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    The last few weeks have been disastrous ones for the Obama re-election effort. The evidence for this is in several areas, including public opinion surveys. The Rasmussen daily tracking survey, one of the very few to use a likely voter screen at this point in the cycle, now has Mitt Romney leading Obama by five points. A new Fox survey of registered voters has Obama with his lowest approval number to date at 42%, trailing
    Romney head-to-head by 2%.

    On the issue front, the Obama team has suffered many severe blows. It turns out that several members of the Supreme Court, maybe even a majority, think the issue of the constitutionality of the individual mandate in Obama-Care is a serious one. The liberal commentariat from Jeffrey Toobin to Linda Greenhouse, caught in their tight cocoon that ignores alternative views, had assured themselves before the Court took up the matter that the constitutionality of the mandate was a trivial concern. After a few days of oral arguments, during which the Obama administration’s lawyers were badly outclassed by the attorneys for the states challenging the law, public support for the law dropped to its lowest level and support for the Supreme Court rose.

    Some of this, ironically, may be a response to the perception that the president was both bullying the Court and appallingly ignorant of the history of judicial review of acts of Congress by the Supreme Court. For a president who graduated from Harvard Law School, served as editor of the Harvard Law Review, and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School, his statement suggested he either missed a lot during his three years at Harvard or, worse, assumed the White House press corps was so ignorant (or so in the bag for him) that he could say anything on the subject and it would pass muster, as was the case for the most part in the 2008 campaign. If the Court throws out the mandate, or perhaps the entire law, in late June, the signature achievement of the administration will be gone, or at least badly disabled. A case can be made that the president’s attack on the Court may make it easier for the Court to rule against the law.

    Article continued:http://pjmedia.com/blog/running-on-empty-the-cliche-candidacy-of-barack-obama/

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    “Teaching as a Subversive Activity”: The Theory of Political Indoctrination
    April 12, 2012 – 6:13 am – by Zombie

    Last weekend I visited the U.C. Berkeley campus and on a whim attended a lecture with the provocative title “Teaching as a Subversive Activity — Revisited.”

    Because this was a presentation aimed at education insiders only, the lecturer, retired professor H. Douglas Brown from S.F. State, seemed perfectly willing to let the cat out of the bag about political indoctrination on college campuses. Fortunately, I had my trusty camera with me, so I was able not only to snap a few pictures but also record several key portions of his speech, which I found so eye-opening that I felt the general public deserved to hear it as well.

    The timing couldn’t have been better: A devastating new report issued by the National Association of Scholars had just been issued a few days beforehand, which documented with exquisite and irrefutable detail the extreme liberal bias at the University of California.

    However, the main problem with the NAS report (which you can download in full here if you’re interested) is that it’s too overwhelming and too technical to deliver the kind of emotional impact needed to sway public opinion. To drive home the point in a more personal way, the NAS report needed an introductory companion anecdote of a professor frankly confessing the rationale behind what is essentially the “theory of indoctrination.” As if on cue, Professor Brown stepped into that role, unwitting though he may have been.

    Let it be noted that Professor H. Douglas Brown is no wild-eyed extremist; in fact, he’s rather bland and respectable and not the most thrilling of speakers, as you will soon hear. But that’s what made his presentation so disturbing: radical and self-admittedly “subversive” attitudes that affect the future of society are discussed with matter-of-fact nonchalance. The main drawback of Professor Brown’s verbal style (at least from my point of view) is that he often resorts to the academics’ tried-and-true escape hatch, which is to rephrase statements as questions, so as to have plausible deniability if later confronted. Thus, for example, instead of just flatly saying something like “We should indoctrinate students with leftist ideologies,” he asks “Should we indoctrinate students with leftist ideologies?” and only after five minutes of talking in circles eventually concludes “Yes.”

    http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2012/04/12/teaching-as-a-subversive-activity-the-theory-of-political-indoctrination/

  • Moby49

    ALEC, you say attacks, we say free speech. ALEC is pushing a right wing agenda that you like to call freedom loving and we see as bigoted. I respect your free speech rights, but you refuse to respect mine. So who is on the side of liberty?

  • MS.Young

    George Gordon’s School of Law

    It is our Uncle Esau who is the liar in Rev 3:9 and 2:9

    http://library.georgegordon.com/node/2049

    We have conquered you without bullets, blood, turmoil, or force.

    http://library.georgegordon.com/node/2050

    Uncle Esau comes from the Khazars in southern Russia

    http://library.georgegordon.com/node/2051

  • Charlene

    Jeff H: I am in complete agreement with the list of liberal attitudes you shared. I have observed each of them to be true. Some people don’t fit the bill entirely, but omg, my homosexual liberal friends most surely do. I especially love “- In the Liberal mind, your freedom is their oppression.” My ex-friend, deeply involved with PFLAG, is trying desperately to tear down the rights of the Catholic Church to follow their own precepts. He needs to back the hell off. If he wants to get married (which he does not) he can get married, just not Catholic, at this time. If he wants to adopt a child, which he does not, he can adopt a child from a non-Catholic institution. Instead, Catholic Charities had to stop their child adoption services since they would not adopt children out to homosexual couples. They got sued and lost. So children suffer when the damn gay couple could have adopted elsewhere. Pisses me off royally.

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      Charlene, I hear ya. :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003405939305 Dechy

      Obviously the people on your page do not utanrsednd how systemic racism works, nor how law enforcement works. Point 1 is Zimmerman’s parents are retired law professionals. His father a retired VA judge his mother a law clerk. I do not know alot of people who have been arrested 3 times for various infractions, including violent ones and NONE of them stick unless they are in the mafia OR they have close ties to people in the legal community. Point 2 these sweeping generalizations about what Black people don’t get mad about reek of detachment. People around the country protest injustice, violence, failing schools etc. So the question is not Why aren’t Black people protesting when The question is where were you Arnold when we were and where was the media that seems to be all over this now.Point 3 The number 1 rule about a lie is that you never admit it was lie. That is systemic dishonesty 101 people. Sanford PD didn’t not expect to get caught doing completely shoddy and negligent investigation,. When they did get caught, you really believe there were then going to say, Damn, you caught us. Our bad! We will arrest George right this minute! NO dears. That is not how it works. Humans when confronted with evidence of their guilt usually dug their spears further into the ground. That is how that works. There is nothing surprising about that.Here is the truth, yes black people have lots of healing to do in undoing the horrific impacts of CENTURIES of violent dehumanization perpetrated against us. Yes, we have issues and challenges we must address. YES MANY OF US ARE DOING THAT WORK! What is already a Herculean task becomes impossible when we are met with what is ABSOLUTELY old school racist violence. It is NOT unfair or whining to ask people not to trail our children, stalk them and shoot them. It is fair to not ask, people to say that the murder of our unarmed children is acceptable , even desirable because the got in trouble at school, or at home or where standard teenagers with standard teen behavior. It is hard to build your community a new house when you know that as soon as you turn your back to hammer a nail, someone from down the street will be setting it aflame.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Five black savages car-jacked then raped Christopher Newsom, cut off his penis, set him on fire and fatally shot him several times while they forced his girlfriend, Channon Christian, to watch. An even more cruel fate awaited her!

    Channon Christian was beaten and gang-raped in many ways for four days by all of them, while they took turns urinating on her. They cut off her breasts and put chemicals in her mouth… and then murdered her.

    Knoxville (WVLT) – The District Attorney General of Knox County announced the list of charges facing now five suspects in the double murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom.

    The District Attorney General Randy Nichols is not saying whether or not he will seek the death penalty, but he does say the State will seek conviction for all charges filed in a 24-page indictment from the Knox County Grand Jury. Lemaricus Davidson, 25 , faces a total of 46 charges.. Letalvis Cobbins, 24 , faces a total of 46 charges. George Thomas, 24 , faces a total of 46 charges. Vanessa Coleman, 18 , faces 40 Tennessee state charges. Eric Boyd, 24 , also arrested in connection with the fatal car jacking, only faces federal charges as an accessory after the fact.

    SO!!!!! Where’s Al Sharpton, O and Jesse Jackson? Are they providing counsel and help to the families of the victims?

    Of course not – the victims were white

    Why hasn’t this received National coverage by the news media like the Duke ‘rape’ case?

    Oh, that’s right – the victims were white

    Why hasn’t the NAACP, ACLU, New York Times etc., called for an investigation?

    Must be cause the victims were white

    Why hasn’t the FBI been called in to investigate this as a hate crime?

    Oh, that’s right – the victims were white’

    So, if a white radio shock jock uses the phrase ‘Nappy headed’Ho, it gets 2 weeks of constant news coverage.

    If two white people are tortured, raped, and murdered by a group of black people, it barely gets a blip in the news.

    Pass this around, and maybe, just maybe, it will land in the hands of someone in the media or politics, that has the guts to stand up for the white people!!

  • Eric Jones

    you talk about “big goverment” like its exlusive to liberals hate to break it to you but EVERY PARTY wants “big goverment”in one way or another.

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