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How I Learned The Truth About The State

June 23, 2011 by  

How I Learned The Truth About The State

I’ll never forget my last visit to lovely Hinesville, Ga. For it was there that I learned a valuable lesson, one I shall never forget: In a police state, we’re all criminals.

Think about it: How many laws have you broken today? This week? This month? Have you changed lanes without a turn signal? Exceeded the posted speed limit? Hired a neighborhood kid to cut your grass and then paid him under the table? Engaged in commerce with someone who is in the country illegally? Bought lemonade from an unlicensed “dealer” in the form of an innocent child?

In Hinesville, I was accosted for “animal cruelty.” We were traveling to visit family in the southwestern part of the state. In the car were my wife, my two young daughters and our two dogs, Methuselah and Garibaldi.

The older of my two daughters had a rash, so we stopped at Walmart to get her some antihistamine cream. We emerged from the store, less than 20 minutes later, to be greeted by an animal-control officer and the stereotypical police officer, complete with a Napoleon complex and cheesy mustache.

You see, we left the dogs in the car, with the windows down and a dish of water to drink. A noble citizen watched us emerge from the car and promptly called animal control. An agent was dispatched to rescue our persecuted beasts.

I was informed that I was being charged with criminal animal cruelty, subject to appear in court at a later date. Apparently, the fact that my dogs were panting was proof positive that they were at death’s door. Never mind that they always pant, even in an air-conditioned house.

The officer informed me that I was going to have to take the dogs to the vet to be checked out before we would be allowed to continue on our way. I am reasonably sure that such a request is outside of their official authority, but I agreed to comply upon the premise that they would drop all charges when the dogs were given a clean bill of health. As I suspected, they balked at this idea.

I tried another tactic. I calmly explained to the animal-control officer that we were not from the area and asked if he could simply levy some kind of fine, rather than require a court appearance. This is when things got fun. “Animal cruelty is a warrant offense,” I was told. It requires a court appearance and carries the threat of jail time. Then I made a crucial mistake; I asked a logical question of a law-enforcement officer.

“At what point,” I asked, “was I in violation of the law? When I left the car? Five minutes later? Ten minutes?” I wanted a specific definition for the cruelty in which I was supposedly engaged.

He couldn’t answer, but the heroic policeman — let’s just call him “Vic Maldonado” — sprang into action. This innocent question left him no choice but to pull out both his baton and Taser and charge toward me. When I raised my hands as if to say, “I am unarmed, and that is an unnecessary show of force,” I was ordered to turn around and place my hands on the police cruiser. I asked why; no answer was given, except to radio for backup and claim that an officer had been “assaulted.”

To this day, I am glad that he didn’t take the additional step of searching my car, wherein were two legal, loaded pistols. I shudder to think what might have happened.

I was cuffed and escorted to the back of the squad car. I sat in the car for half an hour, while my wife and children sat and watched. When the backup arrived, I watched and listened through the open front window as “Maldonado” reenacted the confrontation. I was particularly interested in the part where I physically slammed the officer against the car and he somehow found the restraint to not shoot or Taser me.

Eventually, I was let out of the car and cited for disorderly conduct. The animal-control officer apologized for harassing me and promised to see to it that the judge dropped all animal-cruelty charges. He was clearly shell-shocked by the escalation he had witnessed. The fine for my “disorderly conduct” was $300, and the court date was set for 7:15 a.m.

This made it reasonably certain that, even if I chose to fight the charge, it would require an overnight stay, the hiring of a lawyer and the incurrence of expenses far exceeding the cost of the fine. I think this was not a coincidence but rather a calculated way of raising funds.

I intended to pay the fine in legal-tender pennies, but was dissuaded by my father-in-law, who informed me that a Georgia judge had held someone in contempt of court, subject to another fine, for just such an offense.

Melodramatic prison movies always use corny lines like “prison has a way of changing a man.” I didn’t experience a prison visit, but my brush with the law certainly changed me. The last shred of the veil of naïveté was lifted; the myth of “Officer Friendly” was banished forever. What was once merely a vague sense of distrust has given way to a much stronger feeling: I hate the state.

The irony in all this? My family and dogs sat in a hot car for more than an hour while the police harassed me. Apparently, animal cruelty can be perpetrated only by citizens, not by the soldiers of the crown.

–Stefano R. Mugnaini

Stefano R. Mugnaini

is the minister of the Essex Village Church of Christ in Charleston, South Carolina. He holds a master of divinity from Amridge University. View his blog.

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  • s c

    I have a question, Stefano. If the ‘fine’ for that warrant offense amounts to $300, then what is that officer’s “cut” from his acting like a redneck Nazi?
    I’m tempted to ask what the judge’s “cut,” would be,
    too. I have to wonder if they’ve considered going public and selling shares to maximize the full monetary potential of that circus.
    Remind me to stay the #^** out of Georgia.

    • Gary

      It isn’t just Ga…it’s everywhere.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy 131

        That’s very true, it is everywhere today, and people wonder why, when the subject of the possible collapse of our economy is discussed, resurrection and revolution is immediately interjected into the conversation. The governmental powers of today give only lip service to the US Constitution and what it stands for, and violates its mandates daily with immunity. One needs to look no farther than the TSA and the 4th Amendment, as well as Obamacare’s purchase mandate, and the restrictions put on the Christian religion only, to know that these violations now go to the top of all our governments, local as in this article, state level, and federal, for it is now a national problem. It can not be corrected through the ballot box, for it has been embedded in our society by the liberals, progressives, socialists, communists, of the Democratic Party with the assistance of the communist organization of the ACLU. A country that was founded on the precepts of the Christian God, today refutes Him or refuses to stand up and support His precepts, and in doing so has been helping the socialists, communists, and Democrats in creating a Godless society, and one that no longer subordinates itself to the Declaration of Independence, US Constitution, Bill of Rights, or even the teachings of the Bible. It’s time has now come, and with Obama and the Democrats racing to bankrupt the nation, destroy the US Dollar, and cause the collapse of our economy, those true Christian Patriots are ready and willing to restore this country to what the Founding Fathers left as their heritage for us, and restore God to His rightful place in the society that, sooner than later, will be restored through resurrection and revolution.

        • hicusdicus

          Irrational belief in multiple Gods is what causes most horrific episodes in peoples lives. Belief in mythical beings is truly the work of the devil. Human intelligence is the most over rated commodity on this planet.

          • DaveH

            Certainly, your’s is overrated.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Of all the god known to man, there is only one God who lives, and that is Jesus Christ. He is alive and well. This, I, and many others know for a fact, because He has revealed Himself to us. One day, you will also see Him, as you bow down to Him and give an account of yourself to Him on judgment day, as will I and everyone else. All other religions gods, still have bone lying in their graves where they did. Only this God lives, and and didnt rot in the grave. Big difference.

          • Maryland FreeStater

            Reply to both Randy 131 and hicusdicus:

            As a deist I believe in God but reject clergy and am also selective about what I read in the Bible. It’s debatable whether refutation of Jesus (and by default, GOD) is the cause of our present leftist maladies, but simply allowing these TRAITORS to become so entrenched in our midst is a fault of our society. Nobody ever learns from history: people also refuse to see the truth in what’s happening around them. Evil (IE, democrats, liberals and other criminals) get away with the gowna they do simply because they’re allowed to be able to.

            Someone said, evil is weak but only succeeds where goodness permits it to. I believe this is true: but as Mr. Mugnaini points out, it was too hard to fight the system because the system ‘nickel and dimed’ him to death. That’s one of the ways evil is successful, death of a thousand nicks – it’s way too difficult to combat this by an ordinary, righteous person especially when the evil becomes entrenched.

            It’s this type of philosophy that’s made liberals so successful in all their efforts – ‘community organizing’, envirofascism, entitlementalism, you name it- because they’re inherently dishonest – just like EVIL. Good can only fight back as a unity because the ‘system’ has redesigned itself to disable ONE MAN from making a difference. Thousands of Grannies standing for hours in a cold annapolis rain at a Tea Party rejecting Obamanism are the death – fear of liberals…

          • home boy

            your right. there is only one god. but it’s not jesus. gods name is jehovah. it’s in the bible over 7000 times. but you must have missed that or maybe you bible has omitted his name. heres a common sense question; when jesus was on the cross dying he said to his father forgive them for they know not what they do. so if jesus was god why would he talk to himself? one more . when jesus was out in the wilderness for 40 days here was tempted by satan and was offered the rulership of the world if he would bow to satan. he told satan he could not take something that was his fathers. read your bible and stop listening to people who do not know what they are talking about.

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            hicusdicus…. What does your comment have to do with this article?

          • always right

            Got to agree with DaveH on this one

          • James

            In the New Testament, ‘Jesus’ was transliterated from the Hebrew Yah shua meaning God the Saviour. The Greeks added ‘Christos’ meaning man’s flesh. Thus Jesus Christ actually means ‘God the Saviour in the flesh.’ That He is the same God as the Old Testaament’s ‘Lord’ was atested to by Christ Himself. In John 10, Jesus was asked “If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly” (v. 24). In verse 30, Jesus said: “I and my Father are one.” Being the Christ is the same as being the Messiah, the incarnation of God.

          • Vigilant

            Maryland FreeStater,

            Kudos from a fellow Deist. Good words, sir/ma’am!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Note to homeboy. Jesus is the word. Note – John 1:1 – In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, and the Word was with God. He was there in the beginning. Just as it also says that “He knew you before you were in the womb”. Now to a man, that is nonsense, one would say how can you know before? But to God, anything is possible, so put someone who can create you, and all that is around you, and put them in a box. First you have to understand, than man was created by God, and originally, there was no death, no pain, no suffering or tears. But man fell, became disobediant, and did the one thing he was told not to do, “Do not eat from the tree of knowledge” He failed in the one thing he was told not to do. Then sin entered in, and man has been born into sin and fallen ever since. And there was a huge gap between us and God. And this was caused because our God gave us free will to choose between right and wrong. To fill this gap, for us to come back to Him, He manifested Himself into flesh, and came to earth to be one of us and to live with us, a man of flesh, yet a man of God, yet another example of how we should be, men of flesh, yet of God. He came to serve man, not judge him. He said I love you this much, and took the nails for you and I and all of us. And just as the scriptures said way, way before this, He rose again from the grave, the only God in any religion, not to undergo decay where worm and rot ate their bodies. All other religions gods are dead and buried and their bones are still there. Not Jesus Christ, and the open grave is there for all to see. And all who call on His name are saved, and things do get revealed to you when you take this step. I know, I am one. And I have been given revelation to the truth, as He said in His word ” They have eyes but they do not see, and they have ears but they do not hear”. But once you ask Him in, I assure you, your eyes get opened as do your ears, and you hear and see. So Im telling you, Jesus is God, and His referring to the Father, is symbolic to us to always defer and be obediant to Him. Some parts of the Bible are literal. Some are symbolic. And until your eyes and ears are open, none of it will be clear. A lot of folks dont know, the Bible is written as a guide for believers, not some magic book that unbelievers pick up and are changed from reading it. Without the Holy Spirit inside you to decipher it, its just a book of stories, and to a lot of people, thats all it is. Whenever I read posts where people say “its got a lot of good stories in it”, they immediately show that they are unbelievers, because to the unbeliever, thats all it is, is stories. To us who believe, it is the wisdom to guide us in the right way. And to so many who dont know, they think that if someone is a Christian, were supposed to be perfect. To which I say Ha. Right. Were still humans. Still wearing the flesh. Still tempted by Satan, even more now. We are persecuted and picked on, and basically these days its open season on Christians, Catholics and Jews. All others are hands off, but these 3 you can say and do anything you want, and its ok, but you do half of what is being done and said about Christians, and its considered what they now call a “Hate Crime”. But Christians arent afforded this protection, and hey guess what, the Bible tells us about all this. It clearly tells us “You will have trouble in this World.” See John 16:33. Have a good time, I must tend to someone troubles that await me.

          • karolyn

            Beberoni – Catholics ARE Christians! And I see no persecution in this country at all!

          • Jana

            karolyn,
            He didn’t say Catholics weren’t Christians, reread what he said. Also, just because YOU haven’t seen the persecution doesn’t make it not so.

          • Karolyn

            Jana – He said “Christians, Catholics and Jews.”

          • Jana

            NITPICKING again huh karolyn?

          • Pete

            What about “Landru” ?

            Are you of the body ? You speak as if you are not …..

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bhueml6MqI

            The good must transcend the evil.. you will be absorbed …

          • denniso

            The article is about police abuse,or over reaction…not about anyone’s god,goddess,or devil.

            We have let police assume too much heavy handed authority over the people for decades and more.It used to be very common for police to jail someone for ‘vagrancy’ if they couldn’t provide proof of income.Things aren’t that bad anymore,but police often go overboard,beating innocent people or shooting people to death when not necessary.
            The Repubs always fight efforts to set up police oversight boards to try to control the cops in their actions w/ us. We should all agree that all law enforcement needs monitoring and some control from us citizens,otherwise abuse becomes epidemic.

          • James

            Jesus said (John 14:6): “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Why would anyone include ‘Jews’ in with Christians?

          • denniso

            You make a fundamental mistake of putting your ‘faith’ in one book. One book that was written over a period of a thousand yrs or so,by flawed men. There is no corrobating evidence from the time to support anything about Jesus.And,Jesus was a Jew,right? And the first followers were Jews. When they split away from the mainline religion and followed Jesus exclusively,they became Christians. Big deal. The mainline Jews just didn’t believe that Jesus was the son of god,so they kept to their couple thousand year old religion.

            All religions are a figment of the humsn imagination,as all gods are.

          • Jay

            You make a fundamental mistake of putting your ‘faith’ in one book. One book that was written over a period of a thousand yrs or so,by flawed men. There is no corrobating evidence from the time to support anything about Jesus.And,Jesus was a Jew,right? And the first followers were Jews. When they split away from the mainline religion and followed Jesus exclusively,they became Christians. Big deal. The mainline Jews just didn’t believe that Jesus was the son of god,so they kept to their couple thousand year old religion.

            All religions are a figment of the humsn imagination,as all gods are.

            Denniso, this is merely your opinion or figment of your imagination, and your rantings, hopelessly flawed, you cannot prove it, and yet you state it as if it were fact! The apostles were Jews, but the majority in the early congregations were gentiles, you mental midget! Why do you insist on making a complete **s of yourself when you engage in the topic of religion? Advice: Keep your mouth shut with respect to historical Christianity, and you will avoid MUCH embarrassment!

          • James

            Denniso, Christians don’t put their faith in a book, their faith is in the fact that Jesus miraculously healed thousands, in open-air meetings. Early Christians saw Him crucified, they saw Him after He resurrected, and also witnessed His ascension into heaven. They saw Him exercise divine power over death. If those events didn’t happen, there wouldn’t be a Christian religion.

          • Jay

            James, it is also important to point out that on the eve of His, Jesus’s arrest, all the disciples ran like scarred rabbits, “I shall smite the Shepherd and scatter the sheep”, but after His resurrection, not one them denounced Him, even unto death! What did they witness that turned them from cowardly sheep to courageous lions? The proof perhaps, that He was God by His resurrection?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            To expose denniso’s lies, or lack of knowledge, when he says there is no proof of Jesus, I offer this evidence. Do you believe in Julius Caesar denniso? I bet you do. Now, are you aware, there are over 30 times the amount of original manuscripts, from all those years ago, that talk about Jesus Christ, in that many more documents, than Julius Caesar? Are you aware of that denniso? And His tomb still exists in Israel, with the original rock rolled aside that covered the opening. Its all there, but evidently you choose to be satan’s pawn and play the devil’s advocate. But the proof is all there if one is actually looking for the truth. But being a liberal, you obviously see no point in seeking the truth, or you wouldnt be on that side. And Karolyn, I was raised with Catholics, I was once married when I was a young man for 8 years to a practicing Catholic, I went to every Catholic church in town, over 20 of them, and though there are many, many fine folks in the Catholic Church, and though they do worship the same Jesus I worship, they are not Christians. You see, Christians follow Jesus Christ, and He is their first love. Catholics follow the Roman Catholic Doctrine, which believes entail many, many unscriptural things, which the Bible addresses. When the Bible says “You have lost your first love” Rev.2:4-6. I believe this is the Catholic church, as they have lost their first love, Jesus Christ, and they follow the Roman Catholic Doctrine. I personally know many, many Catholics, as close friends and we talk about these things, how many have not confessed a sin to Jesus from day 1, ever. They confess to the Priest, who I assure you, is not God, and cannot wipe their sins away. You cannot have a kid go to confession, then tell him if he mops the gym floors for a week, that his sins are forgiven. Yes, my friends all grew up doing this. Or set bowling pins at the Church bowling alley for a week, and their sins are forgiven. Give me a break. This is so wrong. Only Jesus can forgive sins. Not you, not me, not the Pope. Only Jesus. Thats its. Purgatory? You show me that in the Bible. Again, I have sat down with Fathers and brothers and many priests and sisters, and its part of the Roman Catholic Doctrine, not the Doctrine of Jesus Christ. Sorry, not there. How ludicrous is it to say that you can be a son of a gun all your life, and then you die, you float around in purgatory and if enough people liked you and pray for you, you get in? That is ludicrous. The Bible says their is one way to heaven, Jesus Christ. Thats it. To insist otherwise means He went to the cross for our sins for no reason at all. Sorry, Im not going there. And not allowing your preists to marry? You wonder why there are so many of them committing sexual crimes, even against young boys. It is our nature to desire sex. God created it, for a man and his wife to enjoy each other with. Its not dirty, but satan has made it that way with all this pre-marital sex and orgies and perversion going on between the same sex. And yes, Paul did say, I wish you all could remain like I (a virgin), where He could fully give of himself to doing the Lords work, but he also said, “if you must, meaning give it to sexual desires, then get married and take a wife”. I assure you, my pastor and his wife love each other, and have had children, and it is a normal wholesome thing. To deprive the priests of this, is what is causing all these child molesting things to happen, and then, if that isnt bad enough, when they are caught, instead of being appalled and removing these pedophiles, they protect them and transfer them to another state as if nothing happened. Im sorry, that is not Christian at all. Forgive them? Yes. Let them stay in that position? No. No way. So there is a difference, a big differece. Christians follow the doctrine of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which was dictated by God through the Holy Spirit to man. Catholics follow the Roman Catholic Doctrine, which was written by man in the way they though things should be. Quite a difference. I am well versed on this one, and have had many sit downs with Catholic priests and brothers and sisters, as they call the nuns and the brothers are the guys working towards being a priest, who is then called a father. Many, many talks. In fact, the Catholic priest who married me and my ex wife, before I was a Christian mind you, we talked 3 or 4 times, and around 6 months after he married us, he left the Catholic faith and ran off and married a nun, and he is a protestant pastor to this day. Hmm.

          • James

            Hicusdicus, There is only one God. Jesus proved He was the incrnation of God by the many miracles he performed. Scripturally, the only god Satan challenged was Christ. What will prove all of that is when Jesus returns and removes Satan from his seat of power.

        • C130 Gunship

          Randy-Just remember, what goes around, comes around.

          Our day is coming.

          • Void1972

            The article is about abuse of power, and someone speaks about God, and we get off the subject. This is why America will fail. You morons are so easily distracted off the real issues, all it takes is one word to throw you into a rage where you have no idea why your mad.
            We all know God is real, and for you that don’t know, who cares? Live your life as you please, the way God intended.
            The Police take an oath to uphold the constitution of the United States of America, but the fact is they work for the corrupt lawyers that create and control the laws that make them millions.
            When i received a speeding ticket last year in the south, within two days I was sent over 15 letters from local lawyers to reduce the fine. The majority of the money went to the lawyer, and the town received about 25%.
            Only in the new America.

        • FRANK DECOLA

          99% Of what you say is rubbish you have been demonized by the conservative nut cases.

          • always right

            WOW! Speaking of “nut cases”!!

          • eddie47d

            I still get shocked by police misconduct and find it abhorable. It has to do with power whether Republican or Democrat. Yet everyone on this site assumes that cop has to be a Democrat hired by Obama himself. I doubt that but you all burst in delight in thinking that is the case. I’ve known liberals who have been harassed by the police and I doubt if they think too highly of them either.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I agree with eddie on this one. I think if a person in law enforcement is the type to want to harrass someone and play god over them, they could care less if your democrat, republican or libertarian. They just dont care. Those that do this sort of crap, are just looking for someone to stomp on, and thats it.

          • karolyn

            Agel – It’s SHE, and why is it whenever Obama goes anywhere, everybody complains; but it is OK for our gov. to spend OUR money on a lush vacation. She doesn’t work anywhere else.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn, there are plenty of politicians out there who “moonlight”. Just becasue your not aware of any, doesn’t make it so.

          • Patty

            Eddie47 – I know for a fact that many officers are not democratic. I was married to one. I think the poster was probably referring more to the union they belong to and how the union of Police and Fire backed Obama. They (union) do try to get you to vote for who thier pick is.

          • Mike in MI

            eddie47d -
            best be careful, sir. Those cops are probably union members. doing what they have been ordered is their “union duty”.

          • Good O’le American

            I think we all look like nutcases to at least someone else. The point of this whole discussion is the over-reaching power that our local, state and Fed’l Government has taking in its pursuit to “Protect and to Serve.” There use to also include the word Integrity. This is by far a distant memory and is refreshing whenever you do come in contact with an officer of integrity.

            Many of the comments have been right on. You know who you are. I am also biased to the God of creation but chose to fight my battles carefully. I enjoyed an earlier comment when someone rightly mentioned that too many Christians and others with a religious view got distracted by God talk. The case here is speaking of over-reaching power and I would like to stay on topic too.

            What is going to make a difference is when we all take to the airways and record our encounters with these thugs. They may not like it when we do but what protection do we have? I really hate it when they use cameras on us but the moment we use it back on them they make a law to prohibit it (in some states). Most of us would rather not get into politics because we are so afraid of being scrutinized or criticized for a lack of experience or from something we done bad in our past. But if you and I, with common sense, would just do it we could overrun our offices with people that really could make a difference and then weed out the real crazies and power hungry. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that a kid selling Lemonade on a corner is not hurting anyone. The law that made it illegal would be one be stricken from the books along with many thousands of other stupid laws. It is time to make things right before things get too left. Now who’s with me on this?

          • sylviam

            I think the Man was thinking of his family first, as he should do. But I do believe the Police Officer was and is WRONG, and not only did the wrong thing, but in his mind HE WAS WRONG, by putting MONEY in front of doing the right thing.
            God says The RICH MAN has as much chance in getting into HEAVEN as a ELEPHANT has getting through the eye of a NEEDLE, meaning greed and lust for MONEY is an abomnation to GOD.
            If it were me and being threatened with JAIL, would have fought the ticket with the TRUTH, and maybe he would have lost the case, but the fine of $300.00 would have been the same. Stand for what is RIGHT, and TRUTH, for it will need no defence.
            GOD BLESS AMERICA

        • nmgene

          The Police are trained that we are all liars and criminals, the courts have ordered that the police can lie to you but if you lie to the Police it is a felony. They will twist everything you say to make you look bad for the Judge, They will lie in there reports which is also a felony but they get away with it. Do you ever wonder why Judges discipline Judges, Attorneys discipline Attorneys and the Police discipline the Police. There is no Justice in this country unless you can afford the most expensive Attorney and then you still lose the money you pay him even if you win your case. There are very few honest Police, Attorneys or Judges left in this country.

        • Wolflar

          I don’t know what to think sometimes when I hear or read words like that from someone who sounds intelligent! Do you not know that in any police state forums like this are monitored by the (STATE) just looking for stuff like you just wrote? I can see it now those of you who survive standing before a states judge being sentence to 50 year to life for domestic terror and being denounced by every media outlet both liberal and conservative. not only that the state could and would brand the christian right as an terror organization. So my friend are you a misguided person or a provocateur?Remember Waco, Ruby ridge and from what I have read a whole host of other places have been used as a test bed to gauge public reactions and from what I’ve seen the tests went well! We as a people have been put into groups. What I mean is we are conservatives they are liberals, we are for a freedom they are for a nanny state which is a police state, we are pro-life they are anti-life. This is just a small sample of the ways they have all of us by the short hairs and then there is the disagreements among ourselves and the while the state becomes stronger with new laws to “keep the people safe” Unlike so many people I can’t speak for the American people I only speak for me we’re in some deep ____ with no way to dig ourselves out.

          • Dons621

            Wolflar You have covered this case pretty well, —- BUT the change is coming just as obummer promised when he forms his CIVILIAN ARMY. There are double wired compounds built next to Rail road tracks that are empty. What are their purpose and why have they been recently built. Are they for the millions of “Emigrants”, No they are obummers friends,can they be for Muslims no again, or Terrorists again no. That just leaves the people that will not fall down on their knees to the “Anointed One”. Obama should be Impeached for his actions, but NO ONE in the Congress will do it. Why because they are as guilty as he is and he has the proof. The only way to save America is to make a deal with THE ENTIRE CONGRESS to full immunity for their past dirty deals and roll over on Obama.

        • http://att Troy

          AMEN!

        • Rick Evans

          Yea welcome to the south where the Right wing has truly brain washed the majority, where they are the ones that have took your constitutional
          rights and shredded them all for the corporations benefit and did this under the name of God and freedom,truly sad how ignorant the majority of people are down their.

          • karolyn

            Amen! And, where SC’s wonderful new Republican governor is vacationing in Paris on our dime while promoting cuts in everything to benefit the people!

          • karolyn

            PS – Nikki Haley was a Tea Party fave!

          • Michael J.

            Rick Evans said,

            “truly sad how ignorant the majority of people are down their.”

            How ironic it is that someone like yourself who accuses others of ignorance, is blissfully unaware of the proper usage of the word “their”.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy 131

            Knowing the history of this great nation, and believing in it’s documents of birth, the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, may seem to be brainwashing to you, but to us it is the acceptance of our heritage and the striving to maintain that heritage, against the onslaught of the liberal progessive socialists and communists, under the Democratic Party banner, that are hell bent on usurping the rights and freedoms guaranteed by those documents and enslaving the American people to a government that was established to have limited power, subordinate to both the states and the people, instead of the opposite, for which you and your union goons are attempting to achieve. In the south the people are still free to work and keep their earnings, without organizations forced on them, to deprive them of part of their earnings for the benefit of those running unions. For all of these reasons I will gladly accept your accusation of being brainwashed, if you would actually read the birth documents I listed above, so you may become educated, and if you understand them, you may have a different opinion of the people in the south, despite your union bias.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn, Ya ever stop to think that maybe being a “Republican Govenor” isn’t the only thing he does to make a living?__If such is the case, then its none of your business where he vacations, is it?

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn, the same was put to Chris Christie the below link was his answer.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BYoO32uNEc

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            my my karolyn, how quick you are to politicize with the South Carolina governor spending your dime. Ahem. Have you seen at all, Michelle Obama’s spending? It is atrocious. The woman is living high off the hog, and spending your and my money, at a record pace that is shattering all records before and probably after also. And everytime you turn around, these Obama’s are on a vacation. I wish my job had that many paid vacations. Holy cow man. Pay attention before you start pointing fingers girl.

          • karolyn

            Angel – Hard thread to follow. I responded in the wrong place. Nikki Haley is a SHE. Why is it OK to bash Obama when he goes places on BUSINESS, but it’s not OK to complain about our governor partying in Paris on OUR money? Especially since she’s a Republican friend of Palin’s and is crying about cutting everything!

          • karolyn

            Beberoni – Totally different animal. Michelle Obama is an ambassador to the world! Nikki Haley has no business in Paris! First Ladies have always traveled. And I really don’t think they’ve taken that many vacations. I recall two – one to the mountains in NC and one to Hawaii – Oh yes, and they went to LA.

          • Karolyn

            Angel – She’s independently wealthy – family business.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn, Even all more the reason to mind your business, she’s evidently paying her own way?!

          • Karolyn

            Angel – No she’s not – we’re footing the bill. Plus,, she called the legislature back from their break to take care of some business and then just up and left!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn, Good Grief Woman, Petty Tonight aren’t we?__If The Govenors independently wealthy outside of being Govenor, why is it her trip coming outta your pocket? nuff said, end of a crazy conversation??!!

          • Patty

            Here is what she is doing there. Then on to Germany. Maybe they are trying to get more Areospace jobs in your area.
            http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20110616/BUSINESS06/306160019/South-Carolina-sends-delegation-to-Paris-Air-Show

        • Lee Baldwin

          REVOLUTION, Randy 131 ~this country has already “gone to hell in a hand-basket.”

        • Me

          “A country that was founded on the precepts of the Christian God…”

          Absolutely not.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Our forefathers all believed in God, and formed this nation on the precept of one nation under God, acknowledging the creator. To try to deny that, shows your lack of knowledge of the truth.

        • bb

          right on brother!

        • Tom Raines

          I agree with every line and word you just wrote,except I would like to add that its not just the democrats that are at fault here,Its everyone in our country including republicans,the republicans have thier get tough on crime agenda and believe the local and state police officers and local judges should have more discretionary ability at the scene and in the courts to decide the treatment of civilians when aprehended.
          Most of these police officers have anger management issues or are worse criminals than the public they are suppose to protect.
          I have been threatened in kentucky once because I questioned why I was being unfairly charged with a lane change violation,because of traffic cones in the right lane,he informed me if I did not be quiet he would have my semi searched and that there would be drugs found.
          I never once raised my voice,yes sir ,no sir,I had to sit there and listen to him rant on and on about how sorry truck drivers were.
          People when you are traveling becareful you will run into these situations and you will be far away from home were defending your honor and your record will be very costly in time and money and when you show up on time for court they know this and can refer your case to another day and claim thier docket was overloaded,your lawyer will charge you for every appearance,this will be choice one the other will be to plead guilty and allow it to go on your permanent record wich will follow every where you go,sad to say but the best thing to do is remain curtious and respectful,bite your tongue ,you are litterally at thier mercy and the less you say the less charges you will have to decide about latter.sorry thats just the way it is!!!!!

      • Chuck

        True. Podunk Crewe, Va. had a local cowboy on its payroll who made up his own ordinances and they seemed to love him for awhile because of the revenue he brought in. One of his favorites was pulling people for going thru yellow lights of one or the other of the two traffic lights going thru town. I had three run ins with him one for starting to go down an alley ” to circumvent the traffic light.” He also told me it was illegal to drive down an alley unless I lived there.(BS!)–I was going to pickup a coworker on the way to work.–Finally one of the town lawyers convenced the town council they were headed for a lawsuit and the cowboy suddenly found a job someplace else.

        • Al Sieber

          I’m glad there’s no cops where I live, just the BLM ranger once in a while to check on me and the other miners to make sure we’re within the law, I see him once or twice a month. I told him we were putting a gate up to keep the curious out and give him a key, he said he would check on our equipment when we were away. at least I get along with this guy.

        • http://randall701jen@charter.net Working Man

          My home town of Jennings, La. (pop. 12,000) has ALWAYS had a Nazi-
          type “enforcer” on the police force. Paul M. was the enforcer from 1984 to 1994, then a few others followed him thru out the years.
          In Dec. of 2010, I was stopped by the current no-crime-goes-unpunished
          enforcer for not comming to a 3 second stop at a stop sign…at 6:am
          in the morning. He also ticked me for haveing illegal tenting on
          my truck. I told him that I bought the truck 4 years ago from a car
          dealer with the tent, and that I was never told when I had my truck
          inspected that it was illegal. I offered to take it off right there,
          but, no, the jerk told that that “I had 4 years to take it off”.

          I knew the city judge, and he reduced my ticket to only running a
          stop sign. Bottom line….ALL SMALL CITY’S AND TOWN’S HAVE THEIR
          “NO-NONSENCE ENFORCERS” to keep us law-abiding citizens in line….
          while the sell of drugs is taking place in broad daylight in certain
          sections of town!!!

          • Good O’le American

            I am going to start a Action Committee in every small town in America. We will root out these Judge-loving boot lickers. It won’t be hard to do using a cookie-cut program I have developed and Craigslist. If this leftish Government doesn’t think “We The People” can do anything about it they have something coming. Thank you for sharing Working Man. Everyone needs to start a community wide action committee in their community. Then force these small, medium and large towns to change their ways or else. You would be surprised trust me. Then these anti-constitution loving, Nazi police, wolf-in-sheeps clothing attorneys and Judges can move to a Muslim country. All real Americans need apply.

      • FreedomFighter

        I really dislike the idea of abusive policemen, they are the thin blue line that keeps society from chaos. I support police officers in all ways possible, I comply when asked, the sad thing is the character quality of police officers is going down. Way to many jackbooted thugs are now wearing badges, carrying guns and abuse the position of authority given them.

        Police are not picked for fine character, only taking orders, like any good attack dog.

        You have to ask yourself:

        Why does goverment want order obeyance, attackdog style police officers without strong moral character?

        Power and control, power currupts, and corrupt police and goverment officials is an all to familiar occurance in todays society. They have authority, weapons, training, we have the constitutuion and legal avenues for our grievences.

        We Americans are losing our constitution, our rights, our freedoms to this ever growing Progressive/Socialist-Marxist transformation of our goverment, they need order taking jackbooted thugs to enforce thier NEW (world) ORDER.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • Vicki

          The one thing we do still wield. Truth. We also have technology. Video cameras and the internet. Using these tools we CAN wield the truth as never before. It may not save us but it, along with prayer (you choose to whom), can and will.

        • Kate8

          FreedomFighter – The PTB have spent the last 2 generations breeding the socialist thugs who now lord authority over us. They are the way they are because that is how the controllers wanted them. They will be the ones who come knocking (or breaking you door down) to confiscate your weapons, and they won’t think twice about shooting you with little provocation.

          They have an army who’s been bred to obey, and whose loyalty lies with the government. We are simply the herd.

      • Penny R. Freeman

        What you people need to understand is that a dog’s normal body temperature is quite a bit higher than a human’s. No I really don’t understand the overreaction of the police officer, but I do understand the charge of animal cruelty. On days when the temperature seems ok to you the temperature can quickly rise to over 100 degrees inside a car. And dogs can die in cars and trucks even with the windows rolled down. And jaspers that’s a proven fact. Ask your vet. Yes I am an animal lover. I have two dogs and a cat. Unless my dogs are going to the vet or on a very short trip with us they’re almost never inside a car. When we’ve been on longer trips there’s always someone in the car with them and if need be the air condition is on. If the temp in the car is hot to you it’s unbearable to your pets, and dangerous. The fact that dogs can and do die in vehicles even with the windows down is also true for small children. Would you consider leaving a young child in a car alone? While you may think this was a ploy to get funds for the city I live in a city that always has a surplus, so it has no need for any additional funds. Is that sort of action considered animal cruelty? YES! And it is enforced? YES! You may think that the reason the city has a surplus of funds is laws like the animal cruelty one. WRONG! We live just over the state line from a state whose sales tax rate is three percent higher than ours, and I wouldn’t even want to guess how much higher their crime rate is. With the lower taxes and because we are so close to the state line we get a huge influx of people from the other state who want to pay less and feel much more safe because of our excellent police force. To add to the city’s benefits there’s a major north-south highway that passes through parts of the city which makes it a convenient spot for travelers and tourists visiting the city just to the north of us. So any time you carry and animal in a vehicle be sure someone is there with them. And did it really take four of you to find an antihistamine cream? Maybe you needed a guide to find the door to the store!

        • karolyn

          Great post, Penny!

        • jda

          Hear hear to the post, I thought the same thing why did it take all the human memebers of the family to take care of the problem. Why not take the ticket and argue the point in front of a judge rather than argue at the scene…

        • Tom Raines

          you know I dislike people who take out thier agression on animals ,but animals have always been and always should be private property and its people who think animals should have more rights than people that are causing these problems,
          They give thier money to communist organazations like the humane society of the united states and they take most of the money and put it in thier pocket and put the animals taken to sleep almost right away ,they spend a large part of thier money on lobbiest for gun control,stop the private breeding of hunting dogs and to stop all hunting or fishing, this is where your money goes very little goes for helping pets or domestic animals.
          they should be ashamed of the tactics they use to get people to donate thier money so they can use it not to help animals but progressively take your liberties.

        • Suzette

          Leaving a child in a car alone and leaving an animal in a car alone is NOT the same thing. I have dogs and I like them….I have children and grandchildren and I love them. It is NOT the same thing. An animal dying is not equal to a child dying! Please explain why the animals, children and wife had to sit in the car and wait while this man was harrassed? Are the animals more important than the children??? The reason they all went into the store was BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO! You actually think someone should have stayed and “babysat” the dog? Seriously? I wouldn’t! But neither do I let dogs lick me in the mouth…..or sleep with me….or sit on my couch and chew on their butts. These dogs were not being abused, I dare say they are fine right now. The very fact that they were going on a trip with the family shows that they care for them…. The wrong here was not done by this family….this man, it was the police overstepping their boundaries.

      • Vigilant

        Last year here in upstate NY my kids and some friends were shooting clay pigeons in the back yard. I live about a mile out of town and am surrounded by 125 acres of my own woodland. The kids (17-18) were under constant supervision of a person over 21 years of age.

        The firing went on for about 45 minutes, certainly not rapid semiautomatic fire but what you would expect for clay pigeon shooting, one or two shots, pause, one or two shots, etc. They were firing into wilderness with buckshot, so there was no chance of anyone being harmed.

        As the kids were finished and cleaning up their spent shells/debris, three cop cars showed up (state trooper, county and town). They spread out into my back yard with hands on their holstered glocks, told the kids to freeze and proceeded to frisk them. No boy had a hand on any weapon, they were just cleaning up.

        I went into the back yard when I saw what was happening, and I asked the cops what their business was. The state trooper said, “shots were fired.” Good God! This is a rural area.

        Nothing came of it, of course, and the cops didn’t even take my name, the owner of the property, so that tells me that what they did was both overkill, and possibly trespass. I didn’t pursue it, as I had neither the money to fight it, nor the intention of putting myself on the sh*tlist of local law enforcement.

        This is what it’s coming to in NY.

        • Al Sieber

          Vigilant, that’s why I left NY in 1969, the cops were bad enough then, I heard the NY State Troopers were federalized. friends from NY that visit me are surprised we can have handguns here, but things are changing here Arizona law enforcement are training for civil unrest.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          New York. No thanks. I stay clear of that dirty liberal state if I can help it.

        • 45caliber

          Vigilant:

          The whole point was to embarrass and discourage those shooting so they would be less likely to do this again. For one thing, they don’t want people who are trained to use guns. For another, the less you shoot, the more likely many people are to just give up their guns.

          One question was: who called it in? It had to be one of your neighbors.

          • Vigilant

            Never found out who it was that called, we suspected it was some residents in the retired condos about 3/4 mile away. These people move into the country, and expect that it’ll be like the city living they came from. Much like people who buy property around an airport and them bitch about the noise.

            You’re right, Beberoni and Al Sieber, NY has become an awful state to live in, high taxes, a dysfunctional but greedy legislature, and home of some of the worst liberals in the US (Schumer, Wiener, Rangel, etc.). We throw more taxpayer dollars to “education” than most states, and we get the least results. If it weren’t for my deep ancestral roots here, I would have left a long time ago.

          • Al Sieber

            Vigilant, I grew up in Saranac Lake, Tupper Lake, Lake Placid, etc., my father taught me hunting, fishing, trapping, how to handle fire arms, and the military taught me more, and how to live out in the wilderness and that helped me out a lot. I can’t imagine how NY is now.

        • Penny R. Freeman

          You know you people get so far off the topic it amazes me that you have time to do anything besides write your messages and responses. Yes the fellow was upset that he got in trouble because he left his dogs in the car and a cop and animal control officer showed up. The cop apparently, at least by this guy’s account, went beyond what he should have and it cost the traveler money. First you folks bash cops because they were the ones at fault, then it’s the military, then it’s Obama. Who’s left? Yes most of us have had issues with police officers at one time or other in our lives, and most of us have had neighbors that weren’t exactly “neighborly.” But don’t you think you go above and beyond when you blame everybody and bring up every incident from your past to make a point about everybody else is to blame but you? Get over it and take responsibility for your own actions. No wonder attorneys make more than the president and a lot of CEOs. There’s always somebody who wants to file a lawsuit over something because it couldn’t have been their own fault that they had a problem.

          • Jana

            Penny Freeman,
            You sound like one of those sweet little ole ladies who would gladly turn someone in.

          • Tom Raines

            penny one of these days you are gonna be aproached by the gastopo that our poilice ae becomming because of the lobbiest from the far left wing ,like I imagine you are and if its not you it will be someone you care about,I hope its soon and mabe you wont be so willing to trade your liberty and dignity for a small amount of protection and will also realize that the ones you expect to protect you mabe the ones you need protected from.

      • retired50

        I see this happen all the time in Breckenridge, Tx. The only communication skills the cops have in this town is intimidation and threats, and yet they will cruise by the EZ mart and do nothing as drugs are openly sold. Hmmm, makes you wonder.

      • Carol

        I had a somewhat different experience. I was parked in the handicapped zone at Costco in Vallejo, CA. This was just before the city declared bankruptcy. I came out to find a ticket for illegal parking on my windshield, over my handicap tag. It was pouring down, and it was the next day before the ticket was dry enough for me to read. I called them and complied with what I was told. 2 months later I get a notice that I owe a big fine. I sent the required info again. Then I get a notice that I owe a $539 fine because I did not comply within the 15 days required. I sent the info 2 days after receiving the ticket. I assume because I forgot to send it return receipt, it went into file 13. I had to get another vehicle because I refused to pay for a ticket that was illegally given and could not tag it. Finally, 4 years later a DMV worker helped me solve the problem. She had me get a handicap license plate and I am now able to drive my truck again. I still get a dun letter once a month saying I owe the city of Vallejo $539.

      • MikeN

        On reason TV .com there is a video of a reporter being arrested for recording a taxi commission meeting in Wa. D.C. He commited no other crime.

    • Patty

      I think we are missing the bigger problem. The concerned citizen that turned in “the dogs in car cruelty”. They started this whole ball rolling. Perhaps a PETA person? Turning in oanother fellow citizen? Don’t they know that PETA stands for People Eating Tasty Animals??? Oh, I have had my share of bad neighbors that have put me on the city’s police watch list. I watered my lawn while it was in the shade on the right day wrong time before. That gave me a certified threatning letter with possible fine. Funny, when I put notes in my neighbors mailbox with a list of realtors on them, a house suddenly went up for sale! Haven’t had a problem since. :)

      • Carol

        I should have mentioned that the day I got the ticket I also had a cat in her carrier on the front seat. I didn’t worry about an overheated car because it was cold and rainy that day. I was surprised that I didn’t get in trouble about leaving her in the vehicle if the cop was close enough to put a ticket on my windshield. I figured he had probably stayed in his little motor cart and just reached out to place the ticket.

    • Kate8

      sc – I witnessed a very similar event last year.

      I was at the local hardware store (small town) where you can park right up to the front of the store. I was in the garden section, so there was only a chainlink fence and a sidewalk separating you from your car.

      An older woman pulled up (in the shade) and left her dog in the car while she dashed in for an item, having her car in full visibility the whole time. Temperatures were mild that day, as well.

      Whe was in maybe 5 minutes when she was paged to the front for leaving her dog in the car. A libaral Nazi woman, a shopper, stood by her car, calling 911 on her cell to summon the authorities.

      The woman tried to explain that she was only there for a minute to make a quick purchase, but to no avail. I spoke up in her defense, as the dog was clearly fine, but only incurred wrath on myself. I couldn’t help but try to reason with the woman on the phone, but she insisited that leaving the dog is illegal and, obviously, felt that she was performing her civic duty by calling the cops. And the store clerks rallied behind the Nazi.

      I shudder to think what that poor woman, who seemed a gentle soul, had to endure next. A mundane jaunt to the hardware store became an expensive, and unnecessary, nightmare.

      It seems that there are no considerations for circumstances, conditions nor intent. I went home heartsick at what I witnessed at the hands of my countrymen and neighbors.

      • Carlucci

        Even though my dog absolutely LOVES riding in the car, I don’t take him anywhere with me if I have to stop and get out to run an errand. This is primarily because dogs and cats were being stolen from cars (even locked cars) by lab workers. (I’m not far from the Texas Medical Center and universities with research labs).

        This article has convinced me even more not to leave my canine buddy in the car.

        • Patty

          I haul my dogs to the farm almost every weekend. I gas up before I leave. Many times when I don’t pay at the pump and go inside (Get a treat for me and the dogs for the ride) I leave my dogs in the car. What else am I suppose to do with them? If some [removed] did that, I would be so in thier face so bad that they would need a cop to get me off of them. I would probably end up in jail, but let me tell you, that would only be the beginning of the crap I would dump on the city and that busy body.

          • Chris

            With 19,000+ separate law enforcement agencies in this country, they have to find something to do to show their Napoleanic complex to the common citizens. They are supposed to “serve and protect”, but they don’t seem to know how to do any critical thinking….just follow procedure.

          • Christin

            Patty,

            You talk big, but I am here to tell you that what the author, Stefano Mugnaini, and Kate 8 said she witnessed is true. The Police who break the law themselves and the Courts of Injustice will tangle you up in the jail with a million questions (including your income) monetary fines, and a court date that will continue for half a year to relieve you of your finances, hang your butt, and put you in your low-life place.

            I have been through a similar situation, not concerning a dog or animal, but as soon as the corrupt cop arrests you on false charges you loose ALL your Rights and Freedoms… even when the dirty cop tampers and erases parts of the tape and the sound which is state’s evidence.

            I tell you the Police State is here and your Freedoms are all but gone… pay up please… the city needs your donation to their pensions and their bloated budgets.

            Traffic violations which have been traditionally handled in Traffic Court have now been upgraded into criminal charges. Do you guys know that parking in one of the hundred handicapped parking spaces will land you in Criminal Court as will many other traditional traffic charges!

            The ‘Law Enforcement’ Police Officers… keepers of the unjust laws and The Courts of Injustice work for the government and don’t You all forget that.

          • Patty

            I don’t just talk big. I was married to a cop for 22 years. I know exactly how far I can push that envelope. And I have gone toe-to-toe with the locals in my front yard (and back) more than once. Rule #1 NEVER put your hands on them. #2 ALWAYS keep your hands in plain sight and empty. #3 Always have witness’. I have never been arrested, cuffed (well, never mind…), taken away, etc. If I am wrong, I admit it (loud music-sorry old rocker), and immediately comply and apologize. Loud drag pipes (motorcycle-bad neighbor), didn’t apologize and when they threatned to put a decibel meter at the end of the cul-de-sac I very loudly said, “You bring it on”. I guess I have not done anything in thier eyes that warrants escalation. But, I have told them off plenty of times and it ends there. Maybe it is the approach…..Maybe they know I will make them more trouble than it is worth and they don’t want to lose thier job and pension.

          • Christin

            Patty,
            Well, from your post I see you are a loud wife of a cop who “pushes the envelope”… that speaks volumes.

            I am a quiet private citizen and Mama who was driving to pickup my two elementary school children at 3:00 PM with grapes for a snack in the front seat for them. I had a broken turn signal, but didn’t know it …and the cops says after I pulled over and I quote, “You might have a gun and I want to go home and see my family.” What warranted that comment… I have grapes and am picking my kids up across the street at our Private CHRISTIAN SCHOOL. Well, HE had the ‘gun’ and ‘I’ didn’t get to pick up my sons or see my family that night. And the dirty cop erased more than half of the tape and much of the sound on it also… and he almost killed me in a car wreck with another vehicle while he was driving. My children almost ended up motherless.

            The police are out of control and I trust them Not.

            You perspective is biased as you are married to an officer.

          • Patty

            Christin(sp) WAS. Was married to a cop. You are right. I had a “get out of jail free card” so long as we were married. I also live in a very liberal state (MN) that keeps officers at bay. I guess I am immune to thier tactics after being with one for so long. They don’t scare me. I don’t disrespect them, but they don’t push back much. I believe what most are saying in the posts. I just have not experienced that here. I have known and am very good friends with a lot of retired cops. When you pass around those emails that ask 20 questions, one of the questions is what do you fear the most. Several of the ones who are retired say “our gov’t.” So I do understand very well. I also do accounting for small businesses. I have to deal with the IRS and State tax people regularily.

          • Patty

            Christin-sorry, I hit the wrong key and didn’t finish. It would be interesting to sit in on rookie community college and listen to what they are teaching them now. I know that my ex talked once in a while about being a 1st responder in case of… We had an exit plan out of the cities and what to do, how to meet up. It was some really scarey stuff of what out gov’t. plans to do to “contain” us.

          • Christin

            Patty,
            That sounds like a good undercover idea… for someone to sign up to go to college to learn their profession and take videos and expose it all on Stossel.

          • Patty

            Christin – I am actually pretty quiet and mind my own business, but I will not stand down or take abuse off of anyone. I am too busy with my own responsibilities to be out trying to stir up trouble for others. And I expect the same in return.

      • 45caliber

        Kate8:

        One of my neighbors had staked out a horse across the highway on the grass there a couple of years ago. People do it all the time since it helps keep the tall grass down on the roadsides and gives the animals some extra food. A stream ran down the ditch about a foot wide and an inch or so deep.

        I stepped outside to go to town and found my drive blocked. Two women had their car in the way. I walked over to find out what was going on. They immediately wanted to know if the horse was mine. I told them it was not and asked what was the problem.

        It seemed that the horse was in a place where he could stand in the water. (He could also stand elsewhere if he wished.) They were very upset about it. One had already called a county officer about it. This was, it turned out, their hobby. They drove around the county each weekend trying to find people to report for animal cruelty.

        After they left, I asked my neighbor if it was his. Needless to say, he moved it immediately. There was no trouble – it was just some busy-bodies who were getting their kicks by causing others problems.

        In another case, a woman in San Antonio travels around the state trying to get the government to seize property to protect “endangered species” she can identify on their land. Her family had invested in several hundred acres to develope – and an endangered bird was found there. She tried to insist in court that the judge should give her family an exemption because she had arranged for over 77,000 acres to be seized. Therefore she deserved to have the land released for construction. The judge refused – primarily because she was willing to tie up other people’s land but not her own.

        • Patty

          I have had my dealings with the DNR (do no right), Ducks Unlimited, Pheasents Forever people. They are all on the same page. Trying to confiscate private land for public hunting use. I have great duck hunting habitat and corn fields for pheasents surrounding me. The DNR wanted to raise the level of the lake 6 feet. If we had let them do that, there would be enough surface acreage of water for them to deem it public, put in a public access, and I would lose my privacy and get my place shot up every year. Found out the Dr. across my little pond started it. I went and talked to him about it, he thought he was on a pedestal being a Dr. Had some expensive hunting dogs. After a brief discussion with him, he told me he was behind it. I told him that if he wanted lakeshore property, he should have bought lakeshore property and that I would never agree to have the DNR near my property. He has since gotten divorced from his 2nd wife and moved. Bye-Bye.

          • http://deleted Claire

            I have 22 acres in the country and I do not allow hunting. A neighbor nearby keeps an eye on it for me. I do not allow hunting because of the weekend warriors with their bows and arrows–it was appalling to see deer running around with arrows protruding out of their bodies. When my sister lived on the adjoining property-she had 23 deer slugs in her house. Plus the fact some hunters killed a couple of cows that belonged to another neighbor. The hunters that use bows should go to school and learn how to aim. Disgusting.

          • Patty

            Claire – That is really sad. I don’t mind people who hunt for food. Sport, not into it. Having native american roots, I hate to see waste of anything. Arrows hanging out of deer, that just seems cruel to me. If you are going to kill something, than kill it, and then use it, donate, something. Don’t waste it. I use to let only locals hunt on my property, but they abused that, so only my neighbor gets to hunt it, and he protects it very well.

        • Al Sieber

          45cal, that sounds like arm chair environmentalists,near where I live we have wild burros and horses and people are always trying to save them, and exploit them for money which they con out of people and they end up leaving the area with a bunch of money. out where I live they are a pain in the ass they come around begging for food and water and I take care of them, but there are no people so I don’t have to put up with what you do.

    • Jim Cumber

      I have difficulty thinking of a better example of how our so-called “justice system” is BROKEN!

      There is a GREAT help for the average person, a company called “Pre-Paid Legal”. For LESS THAN $40 per month, one has access to a MAJOR law firm in your State, and SERIOUS help for such problems as described in this discussion! Pre-Paid Legal (which actually “started by accident” after the company’s founder, Harlan Stonecipher, was involved in an auto accident and then was victimized in a “frivolous” lawsuit from the other driver, who was cited as being “at fault” by the arresting officer on the scene! He put together a company consisting of a “closed network of major Law Firms in every US State and most Provinces in Canada, which provides a whole list of standard Legal Services, for the average family, at a VERY reasonable, monthly rate! Pre-Paid Legal Associates are available in every State: look Pre-Paid Legal up! I am a happy PPL customer AND an Associate in Utah, where the police are a LOT better than described in this case.

      • Carlucci

        Jim Cumber, funny you should mention Pre-Paid Legal. My husband and I were associates and members of PPL for a few years. I still have that round gold “I have Pre-Paid Legal” sticker on my windshield. Last year I was stopped by a constable in my own neighborhood for going around a driver who looked like she didn’t know where she going. Instead of stopping her, he stopped me for going around her! I could not believe it. I quickly grabbed my cell phone while he was getting out of his car and when he approached me I said “I’m talking to my attorney”. I told the “attorney” I would call back. Anyway, the whole time the “officer” (i.e., revenue agent) was standing there talking to me, he was eye balling that PPL sticker. I guess he might have figured it was a lost cause to ticket me, and let me off with a warning.

    • http://certus-certusblogspot.com RAYMOND HARBIN

      I HAVE LIVED IN GEORGIA ALL OF MY 73 YEAS EXCEPT F0 15 YEAR I LIVED IN BOTH WESTERN N.C. AND GA. I HAVE DRIVEN IN EVERY STATE IN THE UNION EXCEPT HAWAII AND ALASKA. I HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED THE PROBLEMS YOU RELATE IN ANY STATE– BUT I NEVER LEFT MY DOG IN AN AUTOMOBILE IN A S.E. GA, SUMMER ENVIRONMENT. IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH YOU AND FAMILY WERE BADLY TREATED AND SHOULD SEND THAT INFORMATION TO THE ATLANTA JOURNAL AND CONSTITUTION, WHICH FIRM, FOR TWENTY OR MORE YEARS HAVE PUBLICIZED OUTRAGES AND HAS BEEN ABLE TO GET LOCAL AUTHORITIES TO RESCIND OVER REACHING TRAFFIC POLICEMEN. I HAVE FOUND THAT THE WORST OFFENDERS IN SPEED TRAP EVENTS WERE IN NEW JERSEY, SOUTH CAROLINA, WEST TEXAS, RURAL NEW ENGLAND AN BY FAR THE ABSOLUTE WORST IS IN COOK, COUNTY, (CHICAGO) ILLINOIS. SMALL TOWN SE GA, HAS A VERY BAD NAME ON SPEED HEISTS– AND THEY DESERVE IT…. AREAS OF NORTHERN GA., ESPECIALLY METRO ATLANTA DO NOT REALLY HAVE SPEED LIMITS– THEY POST THEM, BUT SELDOM ENFORCE THE, ESPECIALLY ON THE INNER CIRCUMFERENTIAL HIGHWAY INTERSTATE HWY 285– 68 MILES OF VIRTUALLY UNPOLICED RACETRACK WITH ONLY 13 MILES TRAVERSING DEKALB COUNTY, WHERE SOME ARE OCCASIONALLY TICKETED. THE COLLISION RATE THERE IS NOT AT ALL HIGH CONSIDERING THE MASSIVE TRAFFIC VOLUME.

      I HAVE LIVED IN METRO ATLANTA 53 YEARS, AND NEVER RECEIVED A SPEEDING TICKET WITHIN ATLANTA’S CITY LIMITS. THE CITY HAS THE LONGEST WORK COMMUTE IN THE WORLD– JUST UNDER 40 MILES–AND ONCE A DAY ALL THAT ARE IN, GO OUT, PM — AND AM, ALL THAT ARE OUT, GO IN.

      • Tom Raines

        I hear your kind skeptisysm but you have a local georgia tag and I once lived in alabama ,georgia was natorious for picking out of state tags to harrass,pull you over for a minor and then hit you big for a major,georgia has had several police officers arrested for taking fines on the spot and pocketing it,they even arrested some police officers who had a judge that they would right away take these people to ,charge them and then release them ,and all would split the money.
        So for multiple reasons travelers beware!!!!

    • MikeN

      S C,
      While stationed at ft. Stewart which supports behindsville, I got a speeding ticket for excellerating too fast from a stop sign. Never went faster than the speedlimit. Spent the whole weekend at the police station waiting for someone from the base to post bail. that was in 1979. The town and its police have always been and always will be bottom feeders.

    • Andrea B

      Apparently, you need to avoid Missouri as well. I read in my local paper last week that a man driving his car gave another driver ‘the finger’ for blocking the intersection, and was promptly pulled over and ticketed by the police, for having his ‘hands/arms out of the vehicle while not using them to signal a lane or direction change.’

      He had to go to court once because the ‘offense’ is an unusual one, and there is no standard fine for this. When he got to court, the judge said she didn’t want to hear the case without input from the police officer. So now the man has to return to court a second time, so the judge can listen to the police officer talk about how ‘offended’ he was, seeing that middle finger made him cry, blah blah blah.

      Two days of missed work going to court, not to mention being pulled over and being late to where ever he was headed so the Nazi could give him the ticket; plus the guy hired a lawyer, who plans [I read] to show that the middle finger has been considered protected speech in the past.

      What a waste of time, money, and effort…and another loss of freedom.

  • http://personallibertydigest bob

    Due to their job,the police think everyone they encounter is lieing to them. Once you ask a question you are putting them on the spot & you’re questioning their authority. That is a HUGE personel insult to the officer. All they want to hear is “yes sir”. They don’t want to talk they just want to give out tickets & be on their way.You can tell it to the Judge in court. This way they did their job with ease. The new officers will be Ass@#$%^ trying to make a name for themselves & filling out tickets.The ones with experience & people skills would look in the car see the windows open & the water bowls and let you go. Then again you are from out-of-state & that puts a target on you’re back. You ain’t from around here is ya? Boy!!! This here is Georgia,Boy!!! If we say you are guilty of a crime,you are guilty!!! You don’t have a RIGHT to free speech or the RIGHT to question my AUTHORITY!!! Boy!!! “What we have here is FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!” BIGREDJERSEYBOY

    • Vagabond

      bob as a retired truck driver I must take issue with you about the officers in general, no they are not all [expletive deleted]. granted there are some. I have met some very fine officers from Maine to California. I met an asshole in Va. he was such a SLIMEBALL when I got home I saat down and wrote the Govenor of Va. a letter.cost me 4.50 to mail it to the governor’s hands only, shortly I got a call from the Va. State Police a first sergeant who was very nice and he assured me they were well aware that they got a bad apple once in awhile but thanks to people like me they did weed them out, the officer?? was fired.

      • karolyn

        You make a very good point here. If I was faced with a really bad officer, I would certainly report him. I live in a rural area of SC. A co-worker’s son was being harrassed by a new cop in town who was shadowing him and bothering him. She went directly to the police chief and the officer was called on the carpet and disciplined. This has happened twice with 2 different officers. On the other hand, I have heard terrible stories about another police force with some of the cops throwing their weight around. As has been said, they are not all bad. However, it pays to be respectful and not push the issue. I’ve known that since I was a teenager. You get more bees
        with honey.

        I also think that they are pretty fair around here. I had an occasion where after giving me a ticket, the officer said that if I appeared in court, he would drop the charges.

        At one court appearance for a traffic violation in another town, all defendants were told that if they didn’t have the money for their fines immediately, they would have to spend the night in the county jail. I had never heard of such a thing in my whole life. Normally, courts work with defendants on payment. I was glad I had some money in the bank, and there was an ATM across the street. Later that year the officer and the judge were indicted for embezzlement. I guess they had been splitting the cash they were getting from the defendants.

        • jay diggity

          I grew up in the bronx and never really had any troubles. I met a FAC on the triboro bridge one night who gave me an 80 ticket for changing lanes before i got to the toll. I was a terrible storm and i was hydro planing near the center divider. I told him that and he didnt care.

          Outside of that most of the times the cops have proven to be quite civil. I think people need to be real careful with cop hate. The dark days were in now were being groomed to hate each other to make the NWO’s job easier.

          Dont be sheep. Not everyone is a bad apple. You can find a** holes in ANY profession. At any position. They just tend to accumulate around positions of power unfortunately.

          • 45caliber

            I agree with you.

          • Jana

            I have never really had any problems with the police either. I am very fortunate.
            One day i saw a policeman sitting on the side of the road and I thought to myself I had better be careful and not do anything wrong as I sailed through the stop sign. MOAN.
            I just pulled over and waited for him to come to me which he did. I told him what happened and he didn’t even give me a warning ticket, just a verbal warning. Boy did I ever feel stupid. I haven’t done that one again.

    • D G

      AMEN!

  • http://deleted Claire

    Seems like decent people have to “pay” for the actions of the lowlife jerks in this world. This comment applies to many instances.

  • Angelwannabe

    I agree, Stefano, you were outta state which the local police love, and they needed a ticket quota__This was absolutely ridiculous!

    My husband experienced an over blown incident too__He was taking our Daughter to work a few years ago, because her car was in the garage being fixed. She was late, and the old man was wrong to being doing a 42 in a 35, and a rookie in the township pulled them over. He ordered my husband outta the car, acting as if he was a hardened criminal, just fresh on a jail break. He ordered our daughter to stay in the car. He had drawn his baton, but when the old man mumbled “Oh My God” in dis-belief, he drew his pistol and ordered my husband to back away with his hands up.___A senior officer who knows us well, was with this rookie, but was on the phone in the police car. We the rookie drew his weapon, the senior officer jumped outta the car and ordered the rookie to stand down, that this routine stop didn’t warrant a drawn pistol. My husband said he guessed the rookie was embarrassed, and continued to taunt the senior officer & old man with smart ass ed remarks. Finally the Old man said to the senior cop, “that the rookie needs to go back to school to learn some manners”. The senior cop knew this had gotten outta hand and ordered the rookie back in the the police car, three times before he finally got in. NOW_The old man fully expected to have to pay the fine, in which he did, but as a result, the rookie officer lost his position. My old man isn’t unreasonable unless you blow something way out of proportion, this definitely was. Our Daughter said she couldn’t believe how over blown this incident had gotten.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I know quite a few policemen who are good cops, and good men. And I feel for them, as they are taunted by people quite a bit, and looked upon bad because of the bad cops, which are many. Too many of them have “the little big man syndrome”, where they are little men but think of themselves as big men know because they have a gun and a badge, and they prostitute the law because they think of themselves above the law. And its damn dirty shame, because like I said, there are good men and women out there who put their lives on the line daily, only to have them discounted by some of these punks that wear and uniform and carry a badge, and bully themselves on others. Shame on all you law enforcement officers, who use your position to your advantage, instead of using it for what it is for, to uphold the law, and to protect and defend the citizens you are paid to protect and defend.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Beberoni, I was surprised as hell at this incident, Our police here are pretty good Joe’s, and quite honestly, ya have to do something threatening or at least really stupid for them to bother ya. But a ticket for 42 in a 35 is a little ridiculous.

        NOW__Here’s a funny one for ya, this happened, oh lord, 30 years ago, when things weren’t quite as over blown!

        __My Father in law was head of the Board of Supervisors of the Township back then. _and my Mother-in law, had quite a heavy foot when it came to driving__ She sped past the Chief on her way home from work one day, and the Chief fired up the sirens and put a chase on her__She was about a 1/4 mile away from home, so she decided she’d stop for him in the drive way. Well the Chief was passed that she didn’t stop before that, and scolded her about speeding, she told the Chief “you were driving faster than I was, if ya caught up to me!” He gave her a ticket and she paid it, and sparks were flying when My Father-in-law gave her H*ll for speeding & getting smart with the chief. My Father in Law never believed in favors. If ya did something wrong ya paid for it.

        • BKWsr

          If your talking about Hinesville I do believe it happened, I was stationed there and seen a lot worse.

      • DaveH

        The problem is that the position attracts pushy people who want power over others.
        Two of the 3 cops I have known, were chronic liars.
        I had a friend who became a sheriff, and his brother said he loved to brag about the arrests he had made and how tough he was.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Daveh, I said the before on another thread but, we had a friend and his wife who divorced___later he found out she was sleeping with one of the police on our police force. Now this friend was a drinker,no denying that, but we knew him well enough to know, he tied to stay our his ex life and the police’s way. But the cop dating his Ex, just badgered him both emotionally, financially and legally, til our friend finally moved outta state. This is just wrong, the cop only got away with it, because he could.

          • Angel Wannabe

            daveh, typos sorry–didn’t check it before submitting.

          • DaveH

            I got threatened with the same (ex ran off with cop former neighbor). Never happened, though.

        • Christin

          DaveH,

          I think there are a few good cops left, but many are on a power trip and a high which emboldens them when they have the gun, baton, handcuffs, badge and power to do as they please… and the Courts of injustice are on their side. They want you to submit to them as the ultimate authority… after all they have your freedom in their hands.

          To quote the poster, Patty, “It’s in their ball park how they handle things.”

      • Kate8

        Beberoni and Angel – It looks to me like officers are now being taught in the academy to consider all of us dangerous criminals and to treat us as such, and ask questions later.

        Considering the lawlessness these days, one can somewhat understand it. But again, things are viewed as black and white and leave no room for considering the situation nor the obvious caliber of the citizen being stopped.

        Here again, as in TSA, all humanity is being removed, and we are livestock. This has become true across the board, whether in force of law, medicine, education, or just everyday life.

        • Angel Wannabe

          kate8, It’s bad out there, the old man wanted to be a state policemen when we were first married. I told him if I had a say in it, that I didn’t want him to do it. I didn’t want to be widowed or raise my kids wihout a Dad, I was that afraid of it. But I left it at that and up to him. Nothig was ever said and he never pursued it

          __As I stated above our police aren’t that bad here, but in the 35 plus years we’ve lived here, I can definately tell you, they fly up past our place with sirens blaring, at least 2-3 times daily anymore. __I have to feel for them because wether we like it or not, these cops when they go out on call, they go into a situation blind!_-I would imagine training ones self not to over react is a tough one.

      • Tom S

        I was in law enforcement for 22 years. That’s after putting in 20 years in the military. As a young cop, I worked for a number of a$$hole supervisors at the first department I was with. An officer couldn’t even stop for a bathroom break w/o the permission of a supervisor. Lunch was 30 minutes and started when you got out of your car and you were required to be back in your car going in service before the 30 minutes was up. If you got a call during that 30 minutes, tough, you answered the call and MAYBE a few days later, a superrvisor would allow you take a few extra minutes. I put up with their “micro management” for 10 years before I finally got hired by another department. The second acency was the complete opposite of the first. The Chief’s rational was “we’re all adults and I expect you to act like one”. We went to lunch w/o having to ask. We didn’t have a ticket quota, the Chief wanted us patrolling the neighborhoods instead of bushwacking drivers to write tickets. I enjoyed my last years in law enforcement and retired as Chief Investigator with the rank of Captain.

        My point, not all agencies and officers are bad. I put up with plenty of abuse from the public, it was part of the job and you learned to handle it in an adult manner. If someone crossed the line and grabbed me, the gloves were off and I did whatever I needed to affect the arrest within the dictates of state law and the rules of force.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Tom S, well said, and I don’t believe all police are bad. As I stated above, you guys get a call and have assess the situation on the fly, and you don’t know what your really walking into until ya get there. I can certainly understand that. As for the gloves coming off, I’m the same way, I’m a friendly Gal, until someone starts something, gets stupid or pushes the envelope. Then whatever ya get, ya get!

    • Mary

      The QUOTA make them predators after us. I tell you is getting worse by the day. We live in a police state for sure. Look like our skin is thicker than the turtle shell…What a disgrace.

  • Jim

    welcome to obamas America …sit down and shut [expletive deleted] ..or else

    • Susan

      Really Jim? Really? There has never been a law enforcement officer who abused his/her power before Obama was elected president? Really? You are ignorant and YOU, and people with your mentality, are what is wrong with this country. I do not endorse officers abusing their power for one minute, but I also know that this type of abuse has been happening in law enforcement since law enforcement has been in existence. LEARN YOUR HISTORY.

      • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

        Susan, you better start paying attention to what Obama is doing to this country. He is stripping our rights away and only a fool does not see this. Wake up and quit drinking the Obama Kool-Aid.

      • Raggs

        I think his point is that it is MUCH worse now that we have a so-called president obama.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Susan… It will get worse. I fully expect to see Marshall Law declared before Obama’s 1st term is up. I really hope I am wrong, but American’s rights are being stripped away on a daily basis. Eventually it is all going to come tumbling down. It won’t be pretty.

        • Davidus Romanus

          That’s Martial Law. As in military rule.

      • Patty

        Susan – It didn’t just start but is has gotten PROGRESSIVELY worse.

        • Susan

          No, it has not gotten progressively worse. Abuse of power has been awful in this country since it was formed and no one cared because it was against people of color and people with no power to do anything about it. Once someone started making white males fall into line now it is a big outcry about police states and the like. Now, if all you anti-Obama people want to look at your history, look who was president when the RICCO laws went into effect and were used against people SUSPECTED of dealing drugs or earning money from the drug trade? Effectively obliterating a person’s constitutional right to not have property seized without due process. Not Obama. How about the Nazish National Security nonsense which was implemented under, oh who was it George Bush, after 9/11? Once again, not Obama. I have yet to see him get any law passed that was unconstitutional, name one? You want to talk about mandatory health care and how that is unconstitutional? What about mandatory car insurance? Isn’t that the same thing? If one is unconstitutional, the other is. If you took one minute to look at what uninsured people cost all the hardworking people of this country, you wouldn’t be so fast to fight against this. I WISH I could fins an insurance carrier for my son we could afford, he is too old for ours and has a pre-existing condition and has special needs. If we could have universal health coverage, I wouldn’t have to worry about him being in some kind of accident that would keep us all in debt for the rest of our lives.

          • Patty

            Wow, you put a lot in there. By progressive, I wasn’t thinking the past 2 years. More the past 10-15 years. I can remember when my ex husband cop caught a kid with roaches in the ashtry and a bag of pot. He made the kid dump the ashtray and fly the weed in the wind. He told the kid, you don’t need this on your record, but if I catch you again, that is where it will be. That was back when cops were there to help protect and serve (and counsel). There are (were)good cops out there. I think he was one of them. More later, need to take care of my dogs. Thanks.

          • Patty

            White males fall into line… That in itself is a racist comment. I posted elsewhere a long comment to a male on how family law attorneys view white males. Don’t want to do it again, too long. What is the difference between targeting people of color and “white males”. What?, pay-back? The white males you are talking about are dead and gone or invalids. Let it go. I don’t view anyone as having a sexual orientation except for the person I am involved with. They are all Hermaphrodite’s or A sexual. In other words, they have no sexual orientation in my view. I could care less whom they do so long as it is a consenting adult human being. Boy, am I going to get it on this blog now. You give me the impression of a white male hater. Why is that?

          • sylviam

            Susan —- Car insurance is NOT mandatory in ALL states, As you said it was. Tenn. is a good example the law would love it to be but it is NOT. Having insurance is to protect YOU from being SUED is case of accidents. I do NOT mind paying insurance or having to get MY vehicle inspected at all. I know it is SAFE to drive on the highway as it should be.
            My driving record is CLEAN and have been driving for 55yr. Can most people say the same. OBAMA’S MANDATORY HEALTH PLAN is another story. Parts of it is UN-CONSTITUTIONAL, and VIRGINIA is one of the STATES that had a suit against the GOV. for that purpose. WE HAVE MED. INSURANCE WITHOUT OBAMA, all of HIS MANDATES and MOST OF EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE IS UN-CONSTITUTIONAL or AGAINST THE LAW OF THE LAND.
            For the rest of your LIBERAL SPEWING, get over it and LIVE with it.
            GOD BLESS AMERICA

          • Patty

            Also, driving is a privledge not a right. And when you drive you do it on gov’t. roads. Plus, I have seen it in MN (mandatory insurance) where people drive without insurance and have an accident and screw up someone else pretty bad. Thier UM-UIM kicks in but may not cover it, then they have to go after those people for damages. They either have nothing or it could bankrupt them. Insurance is expensive, but when you have sue crazy hungry attorneys out there getting 25, 30, 50k for a fender bender for thier client who really isn’t hurt, it drives up the cost.

        • Patty

          Susan – I am pretty much Libertarian. Live and let live, leave me alone and I will do the same. All of those laws, rules you sighted, were not part of my thought process. Both sides are in kahoots with each other as far as I can see. I just see the american people as being sold a bunch of cr*p by both sides. I believe there is a shadow gov’t. that directs both sides, and by the time the majority figure it out, it will be too late. We will all be slaves.

    • karolyn

      This has nothing to do with Obama! It’s always been this way with cops. I remember back in 1972 when my husband and I were afraid to travel through Georgia to get to Florida for our honeymoon because of the stories about cops.

      • Kate8

        Yes, brutality has always gone on with police. It’s just that it is becoming more and more prevalent.

        Under Obama it is becoming policy rather than incident.

        • karolyn

          I don’t think so. Look way back to the early 20th century and prior. The people, especially blacks, had no voice with the cops.

          • eddie47d

            Those were some real horror stories.Obama is a saint compared to the good old boy cops of yesteryear’s. You anti-Obama people are the ones that need to get a grip.I know you try to thread everything into the White House but stop looking so obvious.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Obama and his good old boy Chicago politickers are a different cat eddie. They dont have to operate in the wide open. Cross them too many times, and you just disappear. Thats the way they roll.

          • karolyn

            Have you read “Dreams From My Father?” That gives you some idea of what kind of righteous man Obama is.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn, Sorry, but words mean nothing today when it comes to politicians, ya gotta watch what they do__Obama, RIGHTOUS???
            Should be spelled “Riecheous” when referring to Obama!

          • Kate8

            karolyn – I wouldn’t waste my time reading books such as those allegedly written by Obama, but more probably by Bill Ayers.

            Those works of fiction were written to try to establish a history for someone (O) who couldn’t expose his real one. Who knows if any of it is real.

            But righteous? Yikes.

          • Karolyn

            The first book was written in 1995. You’re telling me it was all made up! BS! It’s a very deep and detailed book; and makes a lot of sense, showing what brought him to where he was at that time, setting the stage for later accomplishments. Very telling. It’s really sad you see the boogeyman around every corner.

          • Kate8

            karolyn – What’s really sad is how gullible you are.

          • Patty

            Eddie – Obama has people on his staff that threaten people forcibly and send them dead fish via mail (Emanuel). That goes directly to Chicago thuggery. That is right, he went back to Chicago to be mayor.
            Sick. Threatening a no fly zone over TX. WTF. If I never fly again, it will be too soon. Sure will miss Mazatlan. Will ride down to see my friends in Shiner, TX.

          • eddie47d

            The article had nothing to do with Obama and I certainly don’t encourage Ben’s non-stop insanity in saying so anyone else.

          • Patty

            Karolyn – Have you read Dreams of My Father in it’s entirety? I just can’t believe that you have and not caught on to the fact that he hates half of himself to the degree that he has not imploded.

          • Patty

            Kate * – YIKES! is right!

          • karolyn

            The schools here are very good.

          • Jay

            Barack Obama is a deeply troubled personality, the megalomaniac front man for a postmodern coup by the intelligence agencies, using fake polls, mobs of swarming adolescents, super-rich contributors, and orchestrated media hysteria to short-circuit normal politics and seize power.

            Obama comes from the orbit of the Ford Foundation, and has never won public office in a contested election. His guru and controller is Zbigniew Brzezinski, the deranged revanchist and Russia-hater who dominated the catastrophic Carter presidency 30 years ago. All indications are that Brzezinski recruited Obama at Columbia University a quarter century ago. Trilateral Commission co-founder Brzezinski wants a global showdown with Russia and China far more dangerous for the United States than the Bush-Cheney Iraq adventure.

            Obama’s economics are pure Skull & Bones/Chicago school austerity and sacrifice for American working families, all designed to bail out the bankrupt Wall Street elitist financiers who own Obama. Obama’s lemming legions and Kool-Aid cult candidacy hearken back to Italy in 1919-1922, and raise the question of postmodern fascism in the United States today.

            Obama is a recipe for a world tragedy.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Sorry Karolyn, I dont read books that people write about themselves. It is too easy for one to make themselves walk on water, and hide the truth. Like a Hillary Clinton memoir written by her I would not read, but one someone else wrote, like a book called “Hell to Pay”, that exposes the truth about her, then that would be worth reading. Obama is not a righteous man, I assure you that. I can see right through him. He is a puppet of the democratic administration, and he will do whatever they tell him to do, and say whatever they tell him to say. A righteous man isnt owned like that.

      • Patty

        Karolyn – I must have lived in MN for too long. Although all of my relatives live in the south (forever), (MO. on down) and they never have told me things like this about police. The school system is a different story.

      • karolyn

        Yes,Patty, I read the book, and that is not my perception. He dearly loved his mother and grandparents, but as, with most interracial people, he identifies more with the black side. He’s no different than the majority.

        • Patty

          I find that hard to believe when he makes comments like, …”sit in the back of the bus”…towards the republicans who are mostly white males, that whole book is riddled with racist remarks.

  • JR

    I have two family members who are law officers in the surrounding Hinesville area.. they are a really “independent authoritarian” group. And act just the story is told above. I know of three who were killed in a situation as above..the civilian survived with no injuries. Sometimes they ask for it..and some guys with Spec Ops backgrounds dont mind giving them what they ask for… too bad it is not called self defense when removing a threat from your person with matching force…. over a ticket for parking in front of a dumpster

    Amazing how they become “the law” per se’..they seem to think they are “above the law”

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Here is a good one. My wife is driving down a small country road. She comes upon a state trooper who has a car pulled over, and is in the process of giving him a ticket. Here in Indiana, we are always told on TV commercials and everywhere, that when a law enforcement officer has someone pulled over, go into the other lane for their protection, or you will get a ticket. So as she approaches, she slows to almost a complete stop, goes into the other lane and passes the state cop car and the one he has pulled over. Immediately he gets into his car, turns on his siren, and pulls her over, and gives her a ticket for crossing a double yellow line. When she informs him she pulled over for his safety like we are told to do, he informed her that you cant cross a double yellow line, yet he had the whole lane blocked where you had no choice. Unbelievable. So the next day, I come across a state trooper with a guy pulled over, same scenario. I pull up behind them, and sit. I notice the officer look at me. Then he looks again, and then again. Pretty soon he storms out from in front of his car, and waves me on like he is a windmill, obviously wondering why Im sitting there. I was hoping he would say something, so I could tell him why I was sitting there, but when he waved me on, I drove on by. I was not going to let them screw me into a ticket for crossing the double yellow line. What Im wondering, as this is going on, is where are they at when Im approaching all these intersections where it seems I constantly observe, 2, 3 sometimes even 4 cars continuing on through the red lights after they turn red. Never see a cop there for some reason, and these are on the intersections in town that have the most accidents year after year. Seems the priorities are screw up somewhat, doesnt it?

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      Wow; [expletive deleted] in charge of ‘public safety’. Reminds me of reading of prewar Germany in 1934-39.

    • JC

      Try this….keep a camera with you at all times or use your phone.
      But photo-document things.

      • hicusdicus

        In a lot of places it can be a felony to photograph or record a law enforcement officer doing his job. I bet you did not know this.

        • Vicki

          hicusdicus says:
          “In a lot of places it can be a felony to photograph or record a law enforcement officer doing his job. I bet you did not know this.”

          I bet you (Hicusdicus) did not know that we are talking about the USA. Here it can not be a felony to photograph or record a law enforcement officer doing his job.

          Now it is customary to provide evidence of an assertion, something you failed to do btw, so here is my evidence.

          “By recording this public event on a public bus, including the recording of police officers, Khaliah was engaging in what is clearly constitutionally protected activity,”
          http://digitallife.today.com/_news/2011/05/20/6682855-teens-arrest-for-filming-police-marks-an-alarming-trend

        • http://personallibertydigest Rosemary W

          I agree, this is crazy anymore with these cops. I know there has always been cops like this especially small towns(which is what I live in ) But now most of them are federalized, and thats for when they need them to turn on us, and sadly they will.
          I had a van parked on my street for 4 days, cops would ride by and put a ticket on it, neighbors were saying , who owns this van?finally on the fifth day they come to check it out and it was stolen. I was at work, and my husband was asleep in our bedroom to wake up to 3 cops standing over his bed, telling him they were there about the van, he says why are you in my house I don’t have anything to do with any van. They said we knocked but no one answered?????? don’t that mean you go away? They said when a police officer knocks you MUST answer your door!! So they came in my back door. They took my husband out to the living room and 2 more cops came up from my basement.
          long story short I filed a complaint and wasted a lot of time to find out they can do whatever they want.If my husband made a false move being surprised that way he could have been shot, we all know how that goes. Oh did I mention my husband is deaf.

          http://www.infowars.com
          911 was an inside job…………..part II coming soon
          Dr. Judy Woods answer to how 911 happened.
          what happened to building 7

          • Christin

            Rosemary W,
            Wow, that is unbelievable and scary as heck.
            Bet that scared you guys for a long time.
            Standing over you in bed, man.

            I don’t think the police can enter your house like that over a parked car on a street that they’ve known about for many days. Why didn’t they come during the day like respectable ‘law enforcement’? And illegally searching your basement, wow. What happened to private property and search warrants? Bet they could have run the plates and towed the van in after questioning the neighbors during the day door to door.

            Hope you started locking your doors. Did you get a security system? I would have. Best to you both.

          • Patty

            Rosemary W – Wow.

      • DaveH
        • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

          Forget GA, Miami Beach cops are the worst to deal with. My son who was 17 at the time and a minor, was skateboarding in Miami Beach with friends. They were on school property and a cop came and they told the cop they would leave, very respectful. The cop called in back up and arrested them all for trespassing. It happened at night and my husband and I were up all night calling the hospitals and local police because our son never came home that night. The Miami Beach police did not bother to call us, or allow our son to call us until 9:00 am the NEXT day. Do not go to Miami Beach because you will be harrassed by the cops. They are all on power trips there and think the world revolves around them. The judges there are no better and they will always stick up for the cops. Nothing but corruption there.

          • DaveH

            Even without the corruption, it is just human nature for them to stick up for their fellow cops.

          • Christin

            Linda,
            DaveH,

            Many Police work in tandem with the Courts (Prosecutor, DA, Judge) who prosecute and get a conviction and/or payment of fines… helps with payroll, pensions and bloated big city gobernments.

          • Patty

            I could not tell you how many checks I write for Jury/Filing fees to the courts that never make it to the courst. Less than a million, close to over 1/2 6 figures.

    • Al Sieber

      I had the exact same thing happen to me in Calif., swerved to miss a cop who had someone pulled over, he wanted to give me a ticket bad but didn’t, this was on the freeway.

    • BKWsr

      The part I want to know is where are they while someone is breaking into your home.

      • Al Sieber

        BKWsr, they’re at the doughnut shop.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Al, that is funny as can be, I dont care who you are. That is hilarious. Here in town, the local fire department plays the police dept in broom ball on the ice between periods of a hockey game once a year. The fireman come out and place donuts on the back of the cops goal and over to the sides to distract them. Its great.

          • Kate8

            No wonder the cops are so irritable.

            They’re all hyped up on caffeine and sugar.

            Probably grew up on sugar.

          • Al Sieber

            Beberoni, that’s true about doughnuts, I have a good friend who’s retired law enforcement and he told me that they all know where to get the best doughnuts.

          • Patty

            Dudes, come on. That is from working dog watch while you sleep snug as a bug in your bed. They need the caffine and sugar.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Your right Patty, they need to stay awake during those stakeouts.

      • Padre

        When seconds count the police are minutes away.

        I lived outside of a small N.Az. community for about 5 years on 80 acres. When I moved out there with my partner there were a lot of breakins around in our area as many of the houses/cabins were used seasonally. I let it be known locally that our name for thieves and trespassers was “fertilizer”. Crime in our immediate 5 mile radius dropped to zero in less than three months. It remained that way for all the time we lived there.

        The point is that we did not believe in the concept of “its the other guys problem” when we saw something wrong. Nor in the concept of “the cops will handle it”. If more people looked out for their neighbors instead of spying on them we would revert to Americans again instead of a bunch of Stalinist wannabees.

        Personally I think we should build a twenty foot wall around N & S Dakota: take all of the people who need to have their lives micro-managed and stick them in S. Dakota, take all the people who want to “rule” them “for their own good” in N. Dakota. Then fill both with water. ["With apologies to the Republic of Lakota."]

    • Angel Wannabe

      Beberoni, That’s pretty d*mned ridiculous!

    • texastwin827

      In Texas you have two options to avoid a ticket while passing a patrol car that has someone stopped. 1) if you can’t move over, you are required to slow to 20 mph BELOW the posted speed limit OR 2) move over into the next lane, leaving the one next to the squad car empty.

      Before crossing a double yellow line again, y’all might want to verify what the law is in your state. You may be over compensating, putting yourself in a violation position.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        When there are only two lanes, on a country road, and the cop is blocking one of them. And you come to a complete stop, then make sure no one is coming, and you pull around for the officers safety, then then run you down and give you a ticket, is plain hogwash. Yes, the state laws anywhere say you cant cross a double yellow line, but common sense says, you stop, go around, and life goes on. Ridiculous. Thats why I stop now and just sit there until they get pissed off and beligerantly wave me on like Im nuts for stopping, but Im not getting a ticket, now that I know they are being stupid like that.

  • Dntmkmecmoverther

    Wow; why not follow the K9 police car and watch how Mut n Jeff work. I have seen many times when the K9 unit leaves Fido in the back while his controller goes for a coffee at the gas station. A few videos of that and a good news crew ought to bring a sense of reverence to these goose stepping morons. I’d also follow the insane ‘caller’ who turned this family in to begin with; they are usually able to make the same mistake in their life; it would be sweet justice to watch them go through the same drill.

    Most importantly, why has an electorate allowed our governments to have such power? Franklin and all the founding fathers warned us about such power being given to a strong central government; what of the state?

    So much for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    • kodster

      EXACTLY! The Bible says that in the end times, such as we are in now, and that neighbors would turn neighbors in. Trust no one in today’s world!

      • hicusdicus

        What do you mean end times! This has been going on since Able and Cain had a drive by.

      • Karolyn

        kodster, I seem to recall reading or hearing a long time ago that the “end times” wouldn’t come until every person had been introduced to the word of God. Well, they just discovered another unknown tribe in Brazil, and no one can go near them. Seems like we have plenty of time yet, since the missionaries can’t get to them to ruin their simple happy life. They’re just sinners and will go to hell!

  • TIME

    Dude,

    I feel your pain, we have been turned in to Animial Control now three times since we moved here.

    One time was for walking my 14 year old and 11 year old Keeshounds without being attached to some kind of cord in our yard, we have 35 acres.
    Really these little fluffballs have never seen a collar let alone be tied to anything. They act far better than 99% of the people I have ever met.

    I had the police at my home last week with AC why? I was turned into to the AC by my neighbor for riding my horse in my own yard!
    You got it, thats in “my own yard” on my own horse.
    Oh also I was fined as my older horse, she’s 24 years old now, well she was grazing in the yard that was also a fine for not having the horse under control of an electric fence! I kid you not!

    We have also taken in a hord of wild cats; FIVE, all of whom we had fixed and shots all given to etc.. They live in our yard and sleep in my office around back or on the deck. So when the AC nit wit was at our home for not having the horses under control, we also got a fine for having to many wild cats.

    Hey nothing states, Welcome to our fair villiage like a wad of fines that make no sense at all.

    One has to question if we will also be fined for the hawks, owl’s, wild turkeys let alone them pesky deer that roam around our yard too? And be dammed the torpedoes we also have CHIMPMUNKS, even rabbits, and a skunk.

    Talk about crazy. We have a neighbor thats got a real bent frame of mind, yep, she’s the one who’s turned us in.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      Learn from and use your neighbor’s tactics: go plant a bunch of hemp in their backyard and then call DEA. Video the whole thing and put it on American’s Funniest Home Videos; you’ll win $10k!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Sweet. Thats great. And it just might work.

      • DaveH

        That is just one more reason we need to stop the insane Drug Wars. It is so easy now to frame the people we don’t like by planting drugs in their cars or homes.
        In fact here is one such example (read the story below the video):
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9Com08ILgQ

        • Kate8

          That reminds me of a few years back, I went to visit some acreage I own. Hadn’t been there in a long time.

          Walking the land, I came across a “growing” set up. Horrified, I cleaned it all up. I thought about reporting it, but was afraid I’d be blamed for it.

          • 45caliber

            Kate:

            It’s better to keep quiet or to raise a BIG stink. Someone found some plants on one man’s property and reported it. He didn’t even know it was there. He wasn’t charged with growing it – he was charged with possession of plants at a fine of $100 per plant. The fine was over $5,000. He couldn’t pay it immediately since he didn’t have that much cash – so they auctioned off his entire place. He got about seven thousand for it after they took their five. The man who got the place then sold it for about $40,000 profit.

          • Kate8

            45 – It’s amazing what people will do.

            Another time someone remodeled their house and dumped all of their trash (old windows, boards, etc) on my land. And then someone abandoned a car on the side of the road at my land. Both times I got letters saying I had to clean it up or have a lien placed on it.

            It seems that people can do whatever and you get stuck with the bill.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Ever seen the movie “An Innocent Man” with Tom Selleck, from years ago. Thats what they did. They went to the wrong house looking for a drug dealer, and saw him in the shadows holding a hair dryer that looked like a gun and shot him. After they realized they had the wrong house, they planted drugs in the house and he got sent to prison, where of course when he got out he got his vengeance on them, but your correct, it is so easy for them to get anyone they want out of their way by planting drugs, and your word against theirs doesnt go very far.

          • Vigilant

            That was a good movie.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Dave, I just watched a program on The History Channel, about Marijuana. Rediculous. The Federal Government has spend over 600 Billion dollars on its war on drugs, and they are not any further ahead than when they started, and now have a staff of DEA, FBI, and CIA agents working on it that cost a billion annually. And this cost does not include paying for all the legal action and prisons full of people, just from marijuana sales and use. It is totally rediculous. There are guys in there doing 25 years with no half time out for pot, and a murderer walks out in 7 to 8 years. Violent criminals, rapist, child molesters, even murderers, dont serve the amount of time a pot dealer does. Totally rediculous. But I will say this, a whole lot of lawyers and judges have gotten themselves rich over this. A whole lot of them, and therein lies the problem.

    • Angel Wannabe

      OMG TIME, That’s perfectly ridiculous!, sounds like the Neighbor just has it in for ya.

      • TIME

        Angel,
        I have been told by a few folks who know her she’s in love with me.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Well TIME, That would come under my “she has it in for ya too”!!! lol

          • TIME

            LMAO!!!!!

        • Christin

          Becareful TIME… sounds like a fatal attraction!

    • Dan az

      Hey Time
      You could sue her for being a racist!And write an article about her in your local paper.Fair play is Fair play!

      • Kate8

        Dan az, TIME – Why is it that there always has to be one idiot neighbor who feels compelled to monitor and report anything and everything.

        And it’s most always a liberal.

        • karolyn

          And you know that how?

          • Patty

            My EX Nazi neighbor was and also an elementary school principal. They had to move when he threw his wife down the stairs and she tried to slit her wrists. The deck builder (retired cop) and I had a picnic lunch on the back of his truck and watched the whole thing unfold. I just stared at him and smiled. GOTCHA! He didn’t like me because I caught him window peeping on my neighbors. I am also a night owl and it interferred with his night peeping route. Plus he would try to “pick me up” whenever I went to my mailbox. I told him if he ever approached me again, I would have a chat with his wife. My cop husband worked dog watch a lot. I kind of miss the police though, they were all pretty cool about it. They would show up and roll thier eyes in the direction of the neighbors house. They get a complaint, they have to investigate. It is in thier ballpark how they handle it after that.

          • Dan az

            Because karolyn any sane person would not bother with such things!

          • Angel Wannabe

            K, we know it because Liberals are noisy! Most folks mind they’re own business.

          • karolyn

            I don’t think it has anything to do with political persuasion. What it has to do with is nosey, and I am sure they come in all political views.

          • Kate8

            karolyn – Because liberals feel it is their job to force their ideas and beliefs on everyone else.

            Conservatives want to be left alone. We’ll mind our business and let you mind yours.

          • eddie47d

            If there is a draconian law on the ballot it is the Republicans (conservatives) who usually put it there. I hate to tell you Kate, they love to control peoples lives too and do it frequently,Marijuana,abortion,more police authority,extreme prison sentences for drug offenders and right on down the line. You don’t see your sides extremes and might even accept them as normal.Your side “secretly” endorses many things that give the police more authority to crack down on ordinary folks. That’s a reality you will have to overcome.

          • Dan az

            Wow eddie your logic just astounds me to no end!Which party affiliation is kate from or I, that thinks that its all democraps fault?HMMMMMMMMM
            The fact that you have never opened your eyes tells me that it would not do much good because there would have to be a brain attached to them.What part of a double headed coin would you choose the next time you vote?OH I know obummer is doing such a good job he should continue,Right?No edduh you have not got me pegged or kate or jeff or dave all you need to know is that you are to blame for where we are now,and not us.

          • eddie47d

            If you want to play Libertarian go right ahead but if you quack like a Republican all the time then you must be one. I have no clue who you cast a ballot for and you don’t know who I vote for. I stand by what I said to Ms conspiracy theory Kate.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            While eddie likes to cite the things the Republicans would like to do, like stop abortion, which I call a plus, he fails to note that democrats like to use our money to fund it, that they like to use our money to expand welfare, food stamps and other handouts, and that is alright with him. Imagine that.

          • eddie47d

            The comment was about Conservatives wanting to be left alone. I say that isn’t true and pointed that out. Big Whoop Te do.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I cant answer for him karolyn, but in my lifetime, I have found that liberals think they know what is best for all of us, and think we all should think and say and do as they do, or we should be quieted. Kind of like them wanting to shut down talk radio, because they only want their views aired, and feel the opposition isnt entitled to have their ideas heard, lest someone find the truth and want to follow them.

    • hicusdicus

      I used to live in community that went around and shot any cat or dog that was running loose. I have to admit that would not be a bad idea when it comes to teenagers.

    • C130 Gunship

      TIME- You have 5 wild cats and still have birds, chipmunks, squirrels, and rabbits around????

      Well, to tell you the truth I like cats too……….I just can’t eat a whole one by myself………..

      • Patty

        EEWWW! Funny though! :)

      • TIME

        C130,
        These little goofballs are FAT and LAZY so hunting is not even an after thought. One thinks its a dog and hangs with the dogs. The other’s sleep most all the time and when not sleeping they eat and eat and eat.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          My dog says “He pets me, he feeds me, he must be god”. My cat says “He pets me, he feeds me, I must be god”. That is the difference between cats and dogs.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Beberoni, LMAO!

          • TIME

            That’s a classic… Love it.

          • Christin

            Beberoni,

            That’s a good one – :)

    • Patty

      That reminds me of when a concerned neighbor called the police because my dogs were outside in a kennel. It was a chilly night maybe -20 in MN. These were 2 purebred professionally trrained black lab hunting dogs. They had a nice dog house with fresh straw. The officer came to the door as I straddled my infant on my hip. Told me someone was concerned about the dogs being left out there. Asked to see the kennel area. I told him I would have to bring the dogs in first, I wasn’t sure how they would react to a stranger in thier area. The officer went out and checked the kennel and dog house. He came back and said it was cleaner than a lot of homes he had been in. He looked at the dogs that were now panting from being inside for 10 minutes and asked what was wrong with them. I replied, they are hot, panting is the way a dog sweats so they do not over-heat. He gave me a sheepish smile. I asked him who the neighbor was and of course he would not tell me. So I told him to take them a message. MYOB and next time I will file harassmant charges if they come back and that those dogs get better care, treatment and vet service than thier own children. He smiled and said, will do.

    • Montie R

      Sounds to me that you need to push back. There are laws against harassment, defamation of character and false reporting.
      You also need to contact the county board of supervisors and file a complaint.

      • Patty

        I’m sure the statue of limitations would apply. That was many, many years ago.

  • David

    That story burns my butt! Luckily you maintained your composure.

    With respect to unjust laws, taxes, etc….people are like compressed air-they follow the path of least resistance. As costs of goods continue to rise and people are less able to pay for things; barter rules. Cash under the table to cut the grass allows the boy to be able to buy gas at $3.60/gal and get to the next job.

    Simple economics. If you push down too hard in one area a relief valve will pop off somewhere else. BUT big gov just doesn’t get that as they enter our country into the economic death spiral.

    • Kate8

      David – Don’t forget that laws are now being passed against bartering.

      There will, no doubt, be sting operations.

      • Patty

        The IRS has volumes on bartering and how it should be reported.

  • Lynn Claypoole

    …and why I avoid them like the plague.

  • Thinkbug

    Apparently we’ve all had one of these experiences with people who were not screened out of the program by officials as they should have been. Perhaps we need a video channel of some sort to show these incidents when we are fortunate enough to record them as happens more often these days. Precise names and jurisdictions would seem to be a good thing. Is there any other way these could be reported in a centralized location to be easily accessed by the public? Loss of spending in those areas might benefit innocent citizens.

    • Greg

      The only problem there is that many jurisdictions have laws against recording the police and will jail you for it. In Illinois it is a felony! I recently read how an Illinois cop sexually assaulted a woman while on a routine call. When she complained to the department she was harrassed by them, so decided she would record their actions. Next thing she knows, she is in jail and charged with a felony for recording the police. So far the cop who sexually assaulted her has not been charged with anything, but she is awaiting trial for recording the police.

      • hicusdicus

        Illinois, The home state of our leader and savior.

      • karolyn

        Has this been in the headlines where you live? If not, it should be; and the ACLU should step in as well as the local rape crisis center.

        • nmgene

          Some courts have actually ruled that you have the legal right to record anyone in a public place including the Police. In alaska you will get a ticket for not using your turn signal coming out of a parking lot or even when there is not another car in sight for over a mile. The law here says you must turn your signal on 100 feet before you make your turn or change lanes even though there are many places IE that you cant put it on 100 ft before you turn. I act as security for the 12 plex that I live in, one night there was a disturbance which I rectified by making the person causing the disturbance who did not live there leave. He had attacked one of the residents. When the police arrived I was told to go back in my apartment, when I tried to explain I was security and had been a witness he told me to go back in my apartment or be arrested!!

          • eddie47d

            That goes back to giving the police too much power in your situation. On the other one I wish more people would use turn signals. So many turn into your lane without any warning and then about clip your front end.

          • Patty

            Thank you Eddie on that one. I ride bike. START SEEING MOTORCYCLES!!!!

          • pegasis

            Some of the biggest offenders of the traffic laws, ie: use of turn signals, passing over a double yellow line, etc. are the law enforcement officers. I video taped 8 differnt occurences by different officers in one 8 hour period. When I handed a copy of the tape over to the Chief, I was told to mind my own business ( there was DEFINATELY an implied “or else”) I have sent another copy to the State Att. General, and copies to the local television stations, along with a letter ( I have NOT signed my name or address to any of these…I am a “concerned citizen” I’m not a total fool!) stating that I have contacted the stations and Att general. I have also retained a very good lawyer. The Chief is, suddenly, very interested in investigating these incidents.

      • Christin

        Greg,
        Must be nice (for the police)to have a ‘special law’ (being union and all)to protect yourself from being caught by the citizens for breaking the laws the citizens have to follow.

        Sounds criminal and illegal to me.

    • Vicki

      Thinkbug writes:
      “Perhaps we need a video channel of some sort to show these incidents when we are fortunate enough to record them as happens more often these days.”

      Why yes there is. Youtube.com

      • Christin

        Vicki,
        Sounds like a good plan!

  • Barry

    I spent a yaer and a half in Hinesville in 1963 and 64 while in the army and the same mentality prevailed at that time. Ludawicy, twenty miles south was even worse. I was on my way back to post when I was stopped for doing 50 in a 30 mph zone.I was a good quarter mile into the 50 mph zone when the cop pulled out from behind a vacant house and stopped me. I had no choice but to pay the $16 fine (I just had $16 – what luck) or go to jail. It was a half hour before bedcheck and I would have had to stand a court marshal if I wasn’t there.

    • BKWsr

      I was talking to a friend the other day who said the speed trap is still there. Infact a few years ago it was reported in a segment of 60 mimites. Some places never change.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        It is like that on Interstate 75 from Dayton all the way to Knoxville, Tennessee. The limit will be 70, then you look up without any warning at its 55, and there are state troopers lined up behind the hills on the side picking people off one after another. It just isnt right.

        • DaveH

          The people have created these conditions with their apathetic voting.
          Only the people can change that by getting educated to the realities of trading Freedom for Security (the illusion of Security, that is).

        • http://www.mikeseyes.blogspot.com Mike N

          If all roads were privately owned as in a laissez-faire economy, this would not happen with impunity as it does now. So go ahead folks, keep insisting that government must be the owner of roads and keep stamping your feet at the unjust consequences of said policy.
          One other point.

          In a society that condones a government policy of providing a safety net for every kind of need real or imagined, (instead of protecting people’s individual rights), the role of the policeman changes from that of a rights protector to that of a rule enforcer. The distinction between rules that protect rights and those that violate rights is lost. The policeman becomes the protector of those who make rules and slowly morphs from being the citizen’s best friend to his most feared enemy. The citizens have to demand that our government get back to “..to protect these rights, governments are instituted among men.”

          • texastwin827

            Mike, I don’t know what state you live in but a lot of our new toll roads, in the Austin area, are privately owned…complete with posted speed limits and local & TX Highway Patrolman issuing citatitions for speeding, all the time.

            Privately owned highways do not make any difference other than the state didn’t have to front all the money to build them.

          • DaveH

            I ran across this very pertinent video while looking for Drew Carey’s video on private roads:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfoYSrjNvjQ&feature=channel_video_title

          • DaveH

            Government does not like public scrutiny of its actions.

          • Patty

            Texastwin – so who owns those roads now? The french own a lot of the water systems in the US. I found this: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=123994 can you expound on this?

  • Paul K.

    The reason they push you and me and every good citizen around is that criminals and illegals have rights, they know them, they get free legal assistance, and they have the ACLU, the American Criminal Liberty Union on their side.
    Plus, isn’t it the height of arrogance that police chiefs from East Gumshoe, to New York all were stars of rank. One or more, even 5 like Ike, Bradley and MacArthur.
    Even on a police force of three, the “chief” wears a star.
    Delusions of grandeur, ya think?
    All military veterans should be outraged at the mis-application of symbols of rank by what most are appointed officials.

  • kodster

    Welcome to the nanny state of the union. BTW, I was watching a DVD set last night, about The Occult History of the Third Reich… about the events that led up to WWII… the conditions of Germany, and reality, the rest of the world, and the mindsets of the classes that helped bring about the Great Wars of WWI & WWII. I got goosebumps, because I see too many parallels going on during that time period leading up to WWI & WWII… and now. I see the exact same events going on here in the US, and taking God out of our lives, open sexuality, change in spirituality, the elite class trying to control the lower classes, eugenics (Planned Parenthood, et al), etc. We’re headed for the same thing that happened then. History is repeating itself, once again, because we stupid humans don’t learn from history.

    • JC

      For sure, the same building blocks that were used in Nazi Germany are very much present in today’s USSA.
      Abolish The Federal Reserve and Restore the Republic…by whatever means necessary. :)

      • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

        Amen to that!

      • DaveH

        First, JC, we need to get people out of the mindset that every wrong can be controlled by Government.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Amen brother. Government intrusion is the reason for a whole lot of the problems we have in this country, in fact they are the cause of the majority of them.

    • JC

      PS, the only real difference is that Adolph Hitler, evil bastard that he was…could actually speak to a crowd and hold its attention…without a teleprompter. ;)

      • eddie47d

        You are all sicker than a baby with diarrhea. Ronald Reagan also spoke at the Brandenburg Gate so does that make him a Nazi? Pull your heads out once in awhile!!

        • Patty

          I think it would depend on what the speech addressed.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Ronald Reagan was a great American, who stood for a strong and sovereign America, and made other nations fear and respect us at the same time. Barack Obama goes around apoligizing for us being successful, and tells lies about us to foreign nations, and gives us a black eye constantly. Big, big difference. Obama would make a zit on Reagan’s buttocks. Understand that clearly my friend.

    • JUKEBOX

      I have been making the same point about the Obama administration ever since he made his big speech at the Brandenburg Gate, Hitler’s favorite speaking venue. Poor people who blindly have faith in the wealthy Democrat leadership fail to realize that they are just slaves on the government plantation.

      • Al Sieber

        I was thinking the exact same thing about Obama at the Brandenburg Gate.

      • DaveH

        It isn’t just the Democrats. The majority of Republican leaders are also after that Big Government brass ring.
        And that really isn’t a difficult thing to understand. We all like to get higher wages and benefits. The politicians are no different. We need to recognize that fact and actively keep them reigned in.
        We could start by using our brains instead of our emotions. For instance, 9/11 cost us about 3000 lives. So what does our government do? It expends 6000 more lives of our young servicemen, and over 100,000 civilian lives that have been lost in the conflicts. And that doesn’t count the tens of thousands of soldiers who have been maimed in those useless wars.
        How many terrorists’ lives were lost in 9/11? Not very many. Obviously they accomplished their goal much more efficiently than our Government has.
        This is just a small example of Government in action.

        • Dan az

          Actually Dave I feel that the Isrealies have the right Idea,for everyone that is killed by the terrorist 10 will be exterminated from there side.There has never been a time like now that we have ever needed to put one foot on foreign soil to take a life.It all can be done on a video screen.I think with that threat alone would make the countries leaders keep a firm hand on their radicals.All that is needed is to have someone with a backbone in the white house.

          • Kate8

            Dan az – Actually, the ultimate police state is right under our noses, and we aren’t seeing it. It is coming by stealth. We can’t stop that of which people are unaware.

            “…a new world-wide web emerging right before our eyes.”

            http://www.augustreview.com/issues/technocracy/technocracy_endgame:_global_smart_grid_20110609169/

          • DaveH

            Dan, I’m okay with 3 for 1 or maybe even 5 for 1, but 10 for 1 is a bit excessive. However, good point. We could have just given them great pain from above, and then just got the heck out of their country (Afghanistan that is, we had no business in Iraq). Nix the futile Nation Building. That way we would have lost very few soldiers’ lives, and the total lives lost (assuming the extreme of 5 to 1) would have only been 15,000, compared to the well over 100,000 that have been lost to date over there.

          • Dan az

            Another good one kate its a keeper!
            And Dave its time to kiss and make up!
            Can’t we all just get along :)
            sorry ccould pass that one up,come guys I luv ya both and we are on the same side now kiss and make up!

          • DaveH

            You’re a funny guy, Dan.

          • Kate8

            Dan az – I’ve never been one to be easily intimidated. You can shout me down, but that’s hardly a win. Won’t change a thing.

            It’s no big deal to me. But then, I don’t require my friends to see everything my way. I will balk when someone acts like a bully, but I’ll still love ya, anyway.
            :)

          • Dan az

            I guess thats the best I’m going to get,I accept that!Luv ya both!

          • Kate8

            Here’s one for ya, Dan az. A little change of pace.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Yfbchq0xQmQ&vq=medium#t=183

          • Al Sieber

            Kate, thank for the link, I subscribed for their news letter.

          • Dan az

            Thanks Kate
            I just finished it and that was great!Thanks!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I disagree that these wars were useless Dave. I was sick and tired of these guys continually punching us in the nose, again and again and again, and we did nothing. Clinton sat there and took it, and make us look weak, over and over again. Im sorry, but I cannot condone doing nothing. The world did that with Hitler until it was almost too late, before we got involved, or we all would be speaking German today. Now I will totally agree we could have gone about it in a different way. Myself, I dont like war, and I wish we never would have to have one. But reality says we do, for if we dont act, we will be fighting it here soon, or be taken over before we know it. I applaud Bush’s efforts in striking back, but me, some will say its harsh, or try to assault my being a Christian for it, but I believe I would have save all those American lives, and many others, by just leveling one of the middle eastern terrorist countries, be it either Iraq, Iran, Syria, or another, and turned it into a sheet of glass. Then I would have asked if anyone else over there wants to play attack America. Sounds harsh I know, but all of our dead soldiers would still be alive, and many of those to die on both sides in the years to follow, would still be alive. But thats just me. But I also am aware, to be a pacifist and sit back and do nothing, is a recipe for total disaster. Look at the facts in front of us that are recent. Clinton sat there and did nothing time after time. And what did we get for it. A bigger attack, 9-11 happened. That is what pacifism brings, and it has been played out in history over and over again. While only through the force of war, have we ever acheived peace. In the history of the world, only through war, has peace been achieved. Thats just how it is. I truly wish it were different, but it is not. My question to you I guess, is what do you suggest we did after 9-11? And I hope your answer isnt to do nothing. Clinton tried that, and that doesnt work. Please tell me what your solution to terrorist attacks on us is. I would like to know, because doing nothing is not the answer. We have seen what that causes.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You know, the Bible does charge us with appointing Godly men to positions of authority. We as a people have failed miserably in following that charge that God has given us. Its no wonder politics are in the toilet as they are, because we dont vote in Godly men. We vote in crooked corrupt lawyers.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Beberoni, We vote the suckers in because they lie from the get-go! A lot of folks don’t research the nominees past, and end up voting on what they hear coming out of a politicians mouths__These politicians are all for the people when they campaign for office, but their true stripes show once elected_Most all are nothing but a bunch of stinking liars.

    • http://www.mikeseyes.blogspot.com Mike N

      A good book in this regard is “The Ominous Parallels” by Leonard Peikoff. I highly recommend it.

  • Louie

    Stefano I appoligize to you, but we do have egotistical fools for cops in Georgia, my state. I’ve had a couple of run-ins with them myself. When I mention what happened I get the “uneducated” reply…well you must have been doing wrong or you wouldn’t have been stopped. The police are there to service & protect…yea like hell, babie! To serve their ego & protect the coffers of the city.

  • Onaje Asheber

    This very sad Mr. Stefano R. Mugnaini , But I do hope this have given you a great lession the that Blacks Folks have trying to share for ever in this nation. The Police State is and have always been in effect. We(Black Folk)are like the Carnaries in mine. For Black Men we are beat down and locked up or even shot to death. So you are lucky. We all must fight for better more just Nation for all people, quick,fast in a hurry!

    • DaveH

      First the Black Folks need to come to grips with the fact that Big Government is the Problem, not the Solution.

    • nmgene

      What the black population needs to look at is the fact that the Damocrats have voted against all anti racist laws since the 1800s. They are the most racist group in the country. They have only since Obama claimed not to be racist. The Senator Byrd who died recently was a higher up recruitor for the KKK and the Damocrats praised him as being a great Senator even though he was totally 150% racist. Check the votes on all of the racist bills that were passed totally by the Republican Party through out history. The facts dont lie!!!!!

      • Patty

        They do so love to keep them down and in thier place. Have you ever thought about how they give them just enough to survive, but not enough to get them independent? Sounds like a slave owner to me.

  • Restless Native

    Guilty until proven innocent is what we get… thanks to the Unpatriotic Act. It’s an absolute disgrace, but we’ve entered into a criminal culture where, “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime!” is the modus operandi. Agreeably the reactions of those who used to be peace officers, are grossly dispropotional to the largely civil infractions they encounter. They’re being trained to act more or less as an internal para-military force than mere beat cops. Sad state of affairs at home. Praying for God’s mercy on our less than noble situation, and the re-annointing of our nation.

  • Ray C.

    Don’t make the error of lumping every police officer into the same ‘bad’ category. And don’t forget the enormours number of jerks out there that steel your property, rape women, harm children and threaten you on a daliy basis. Our police officers risk their lives on a daily basis to protect and serve there communities. Most do a remarkable job. This officer appears to have overreacted in a bad way and there’s no excuse for that. File a complaint, the only way his shift supervisor will ever know and do something abou tit. Professionalism is important for such an important job and there are thousands upon thousands of professional police officers and animal control officers out there that don’t diserve what most of you folks are saying about them!

    • BKWsr

      It is true that there are some good law enforcement officers out there unfortunatly that is not what we are seeing anymore. And you are right we have so many criminals out there because we are not allowed to defend ourselve against them, And when we do as soon as a law officer gets there they start treating you as the criminal. That is what needs to change. Fix that, and you will see a change in you can’t hurt me criminal attitude.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        It is also because the police are fed up with putting their lives on the lines, arrest dangerous criminals, and watch the dirty lawyers and judges put them back on the street within 24 hours, because these scum bags have prostituted the law to the point where the innocents are now looked at as guilty and the guilty walk free and are protected by the very legal system that is supposed to lock their slimy arses up. Some even tell them while being arrested that they will be back on the street before the cop gets home for supper, and usually they are right. So is it any wonder a lot of these guys have attitudes anymore?

    • JC

      Ray C. says:

      June 23, 2011 at 7:43 am

      Don’t make the error of lumping every police officer into the same ‘bad’ category. And don’t forget the enormours number of jerks out there that steel your property, rape women, harm children and threaten you on a daliy basis
      ___________________________________________________________________

      Sadly Ray, they all wear the same uniform so its hard to tell the thugs from the professional policemen. Oathkeepers would be one way to make that distinction.
      And the Police don’t really get a chance to protect us so much as be the clean up crew. If you want protection, I reccommend a Kimber or Springfield .45. ;)

      • hicusdicus

        The Judge public defender is unsurpassed for personal close up self defense.

      • Dan az

        Was there ever a cop around when you needed one?Sure there just minutes away!20 or 30 maybe!
        Good choice of weapons I might add!

        • Al Sieber

          Dan, the cop’s almost never come out where I live and if they do they,re real nervous because they’re out of their element.

      • JLC

        JC — My .45 is a Colt. I have had it for over fifty years, and it has never failed me!

        • JC

          That’s great. I have no experience with one so I’ll take your word for it.

          “COLT – The Original Point and Click Interface” ;)

          • JLC

            JC — I have never owned either a Kimber or a Springfield in .45ACP, but I have never heard any complaints about either one. My impression is that both are, functionally, carbon copies of Colt.

      • nmgene

        Sadly the good Cops wont report or testify against the bad ones because they know they will pay dearly if they do. Judges, Prosecutors, Attorneys and Police investigate them selves and most of the crooks get away with it because they protect there own. I have known and been friends with many Police officers who were completely fed up with what went on in there departments. But were afraid to say anything about it.

    • DaveH

      I’ve been harassed by one criminal in my life. I’ve been harassed by 3 cops.
      I’ve had $1000 stolen from me by criminals. I’ve had several hundred thousand dollars stolen from me by Government.
      Let’s see — why am I a Libertarian?

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLInio

    a LOT OF [expletive deleted] A POLICE STATE YES OBUMMERS POLICE STATE.

    • Mike

      Too funny.
      You think this only started 2.5 years ago.
      Dream on.

      • eddie47d

        That is why they don’t truly know history although they will brag that they do. It’s been going on too long to remember.

  • Glenn

    Welcome to the New World Order

  • bp

    Most cops are just doing their job, but put a badge on a loser who needs a uniform to feel like a man and you get a Gestapo Nazi. Friendly neighborhood police are a thing of the past, like Ozzie & Harriet and Father Knows Best. They have a we-they attitude now and view everyone as their enemy; it’s all about their self-preservation. The state in general forgets they are serving the people, you & I; Georgia was founded as a criminal colony & has never out-grown that.

    • JUKEBOX

      My first experience with “LAW ENFORCEMENT” in Georgia was in a little place called Cusseta, in 1960, where the local officer took $60 from us on the side of the road two miles out of town, for a speeding fine. The last time I was through there a couple of years ago, I saw that they were still running their speed trap.

      • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

        $60 in 1960??! Good grief.

  • WayOutThere

    This is the essence of pure wickedness. As a Follower of Christ and his teachings – the cops are modern day Sadducee’s, pharisees, scribes and publicans. They fail every hypocrite test established by Mans Laws. Because they cannot abide Gods Laws and forgive their fellow man of all of his trespasses – they get a reward. They are vipers as Christ put it. And since God is the owner of all Justice – don’t worry about satan worshipping cops. They get everything they dish out and then some later. Pray for them – because Christ has told them – there is no mercy. And this is why I follow Christ, and forgive them. They have their reward.

    • hicusdicus

      You are way out there alright. Has it ever been mention to you that you may not be right in the head?

      • nmgene

        This country has allowed non believers to take over and now we are paying for it. When the Christians stand up and say no more we will be able to turn the country back to its Christian roots.

  • http://www.iff-ifoundfreedom.com Katman

    q. Do you have the ability to make a “legal determination”?
    a. NO.
    b. YES – good NOW answer the following;

    q. What law school did you attend?
    NOW for the better question.
    q. What’s the difference between a “violation of the law”, an “offense”
    & a “crime”?
    a. “Crimes” are “arrestable”.

    IFF you DO NOT know the law how are you going to hold the LEOs accountable to the law?

    • JUKEBOX

      To address the law school question, how many of the LEO’s do you think have ever attended a legitimate law school? If they had a law degree or were a member of the bar, they probably wouldn’t be out writing citations, unless they are on the old “COMMISSION” pay structure, which used to be prevalent in the South.

    • DaveH

      NOBODY knows all the laws. It’s impossible because there are too many laws, and too much Government. We need to change that.

      • Dan az

        There are over two million laws on the books and just in January 1st 2010 saw 40,627 new laws on the books in the USA and its overseas territories and protectorates. The fact that a judge can say ignorance of the law is know excuse is absurd to say the least.Do we feel safer now?

  • BKWsr

    I was stationed in Hinesville GA. for three misserable yrs. in the late 70′s. Its interesting to see nothing has changed. I had a friend picked up walking home after a night of drinking only to have three police cars (that was all they had at the time) pull up around him. they beat the heck out of him then arrested him for drinking and driving, drunk and disorderly conduct. Of course being military meant he was quilty. I have many stories about that place, All the same. One good note 2 weeks later they tried the same with another friend of mine. Except he was not drunk and held 2 degrees in 2 diferant martial arts. The law did not do to well that night.

    • Klaus

      Now that’s a great story. I love it!

  • http://www.iff-ifoundfreedom.com Katman

    What constitutes a “Crime”?

    Now in “legalese” what are the “elements of crime” which have to be proved “beyond a reasonable doubt” (definitely) before the alleged “Peace Officer” can approach you or NOTHING happened.

    1. something happens.
    2. you have “intent” – a “guilty mind”
    3. someone or someone’s thing is damaged.

    Don’t trust me – the truth is out there.

  • Jan Scallan

    Yeah, once upon a time they were called “PEACE” officers. Now they are called “Law EnFORCEment”. No state has a monopoly on bad cops. They exist everywhere. But if some area is short of or needs a bunch of ticket writing “You in a heap of trouble boy” Boss Hogg type Law EnFORCEment Special Forces wannabee officers, we have a potfull here in Texas we’ll send ya for free. Just remember not to spout off that nonsense about your rights or the constitution or you’ll be in a heap of trouble BOY!

  • C130 Gunship

    IF you want to keep tabs on just how bad cops can really be, check out this website weekly: http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/

    IF you really are interested in knowing how to handle most, not all situations involving your involuntary contacts with the police, then pick up a copy of this very well written book by Boston T. Party ‘You & The Police: http://www.amazon.com/You-Police-Boston-T-Party/dp/1888766093/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1308833488&sr=1-1

    I have given a dozen copies of the above book to friends and relatives.

    The cop must be:

    Over thirty-five years of age.
    Completely competent in street law.
    Of imposing presence.
    In top physical shape, with emphasis on the 1/4 mile and the hurdles.
    Masterfully qualified in unarmed combat.
    An expert motorist.
    Able to hit what he shoots at.
    Absolutely incorruptible.
    Absolutely unflappable.
    Multilingual.
    Proud of his job.

    Where can you find such a man, and for what wage?
    –Jeff Cooper, Gargantuan Gunsite Gossip2, (2001),P.141

    • Dan az

      c130
      Good one that’s a keeper thanks!

  • Thor

    Before passing judgment on the officer’s behavior, one should first have some very important information that was left out of this story. For example, when did the event occur, at what time of day, and what was the ambient temperature? 20 minutes in a car at 120 degrees (esp. in Georgia)is a long time. Why didn’t dad take the dogs for a walk on leash while mom and kids went into the store? Why did Mr. Mugnaini see fit to attempt to try his case on the street? Challenging an officer on the law may seem ‘logical’ on the street at citation time but it is better left for the court. If a judge holds court at 07:15 hours, go see him or her at 07:00 hours and discuss your options outside of court. There is not a court in the land at which you cannot ask for a continuance for time to hire a lawyer and/or prepare your defense. On the assumption that younger, less experienced officers may also be a bit over-burdened with testosterone and authority, is it wise for another young man (judging Mugnaini from his picture)to cop an attitude and challenge the gungho rookie on the spot? I don’t see any reason to defend the officer’s actions in this case–but then there are salient causes here that could have been prevented with a bit more reticence on Mugnaini’s part. From decades of wearing the badge, I can say that concern for animal rights and the rights of criminals has grown exponentially in the last 20 years. I recall being dispatched to an animal in distress call only to find a perfectly healthy black lab tethered to an unconscious man–about whom there had been not the first mention. If, as a society, we embrace these ideologies to absurdity then, as individuals, we pay a price for it.

    • JUKEBOX

      Your ACLU membership must be up to date!

      • Thor

        Merely trying to render aid in the form of advice to those with contempt for the law (simply because it is fashionable). You can take the advice or leave it. No need to be insulting. I don’t think I insulted anyone. Alas, people get (and deserve) the kind of law they allow to exist.

        • Gayle

          I agree with what you wrote. I have given breaks by the law and I have been treated like a criminal. It may be the time, place, person, whatever. But now citizens have to be more careful and watchful and in my opinion it is the economy. Everybody is under pressure and in not a good mood. But the bad cops exist everywhere as do bad people.

        • DaveH

          Spoken like a former law enforcement officer would speak. Of course you will defend your gang members.

          • DaveH

            Maybe you could explain these away also, Thor:
            http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

          • Thor

            I cannot speak for, nor can I defend, all police officers. But neither can I (and neither do I) make blanket accusations of every anarchist who has contempt for the law the same way you stereotype all law enforcement. Perhaps you’d like to offer an alternative to the principle of having and enforcing laws…rather than simply criticize. Any idiot can criticize and categorize. And there is little requisite mental ability in looking at a few videos and assuming that all like-attired persons with badges do exactly the same thing. It takes a good deal more intelligence to conceive a viable, practical and pragmatic alternative. Since you have offered none here then I must assume you are not in possession of that prerequisite.

          • DaveH

            Thor,
            See my comment below to your similar question.

        • Patty

          Thor – The bigger problem is the “good citizen” who reports everything that they do not agree with in thier little realm. I realize you have to answer every call, but it is how the officer handles it once on the scene. Too many people make things thier business, and generally they do this because they have no control in thier own lives and therefore, need to direct some kind of control over others’ lives. Unless it is definitelt unlawful (oh did I just step in it, there is a law that fits every move you make) MYOB.

        • Dan az

          Actually thor thumb
          If you had looked at the site Dave left and c130 you would have noticed that there weren’t any video’s on either of them.Just the loooooong list of corruption in the system that is protected by the unjust laws of big gubmnt.For you to assume that there is no solution to this just tells me that you are part of the problem.It’s people like you that can’t see past their own nose’s that perpetuate this wrongs by allowing it to continue.And the fact that you accuse someone of calling you names,by saying you didn’t pay your dues to the aclu dosen’t make it name calling.Its more like your a complete ass and heaven for bid me but your a liberal through and through.Now that’s name calling.Even I had a hard time spitting out that last one.But if the shoe fits.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Anti Christ Lawyers Union = A.C.L.U.

    • Raymond

      I agree with you.

    • Dan az

      Thor
      I think if you check out this site you would find that there are allot more bad than good.
      http://www.cato.org/raidmap/
      I have a few good cop friends and they pretty much believe the same as I that you need to protect your self and don’t rely on them to do it for you.

      • DaveH

        lol. I didn’t see your link, Dan, when I posted the same.

      • Thor

        Here’s a wonderful opportunity for you guys–Dan and Dave–to actually do something useful for a change rather than just criticize. At the suggested site I see 183 cases tapped by Cato since 1989–none of which tell the whole story in the short blurbs one sees for each map pin. In that same time period–some twenty plus years–there have been over a thousand police officers killed just trying to cite folks for traffic violations. So, starting with our having no law enforcement at all, including no traffic violations and misdemeanors, tell me just what you think law enforcement officers should do, how they should enforce the laws (if there are any) and end with exactly how officers making entry at a known drug house should dress and act…or, do you believe there should be no laws and law enforcement at all? I’d just like to hear one cogent, positive suggestion from you guys.

        • Dan az

          Well thor
          For one thing you may notice that there are more innocent people dieing from failed police stings than cops being killed.Second if there wasn’t any laws on the books against drugs there would be no need for the wrong door being kicked in in the first place.And don’t give me that crap about our kids would all be drug users either, they didn’t have the laws back then and they didn’t have the need to push the crap on them for the high profits that they have now because the laws make it so profitable. If you lived here in Arizona you would notice the lack of gangs and problems of the big cities because we all carry and the crime dropped.The fact that the police would not make it to half of the crime scenes other than mob up the left overs is why I and others keep a hole in the back yard with a bag of lime next to it.Problem solved and didn’t cost the state a dime!Yes we here still have posse’s and horse’s and yes we still live in the west where we have an attitude and still can take care of our own business.Where men are men and don’t need more gubmnt to tell them they need to take care of us.

          • Al Sieber

            Dan, well put, that’s the way it is here in Ariz., you take care of yourself and other people also, even cops that’s your right and duty.

          • Thor

            So…there is something we can agree on. First, I can think on no organization on the planet that has a greater need to be dismantled at about 22,000 fps than the ACLU. Second, de-criminalizing drugs is something I have been advocating for more than 20 years (and I don’t think that would increase drug use; I believe it would remove the hauteur of it and actually reduce use by eliminating its mystique for the juveniles who start using–not to mention taking billions of dollars out of the hands of criminals). One crack rock has about 37 cents of ingredients and labor in it but sells for $20 on the street. The rest is all profit and the price users pay to suppliers to defy the law. And I’m from Texas and will match my arsenal against yours any day. What is tiresome and boring to me is people who blame everything on law enforcement without any consideration for the fact that they may be just as frustrated with the laws and politicians as the next person. In fact, I don’t know many LE officers that would not agree with much of what has been said here. I could make a long list of laws that need to be changed. But neither you nor the CATO Institute have offered a single viable alternative to having laws and enforcing them…and, frankly, I don’t know a single law enforcement officer who is complicit in deliberately ‘oppressing’ people or a government plot to deprive people of their rights. I have been stabbed five times, shot twice and assaulted (lost count)–each time while on my best behavior, just trying to keep the peace. Complainers with endless complaints and no solutions, whose only means of dialogue is to question another person’s virility–well, I’ll leave it there…if we’d been talking over a beer, I don’t guess we’d be talking anymore….

        • DaveH

          I’ve given lots of positive suggestions, Thor. Perhaps you should spend some time reading them. Here’s one — End the Futile, Costly, Freedom-taking Drug Wars:
          http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/DrugProhibitionWP.pdf

    • karolyn

      Very good points. The first time I saw this story via a link here, my reaction was “Why didn’t he leave somebody behind with the dogs? I would never leave my dogs in a car in the heat, even with the windows down. I would hope that all of the windows were down.

      • Patty

        If I leave my dogs for more than 2 minutes in the car in the summer, I leave the car running and the A/C on. We road trip a lot (me and the dogs), and it happens that you can’t take them in with you. If I have to stop and pee at a roadside rest, I can’t very well take them in with me. There are laws that you have to keep them leashed and in a certain area. I have an automatic start button on my car and I can start it up from inside the store, house, wayside rest. No key in ignition. People just need to MYOB unless you see something really wrong or unlawful.

    • DaveH

      He said the window were down. How much more information do you need? They were in the shade (of the car) with the windows down. Do dogs get any better treatment than that anywhere but in an air conditioned house?

  • carl junjulas

    civil servants,are just that!It makes me mad when officers are stessed out and make the wrong judement call ,its all over the news…When your being faced with a crime who do you call!!Its a catch 22.probly thats why they dont answer any questions ?let the courts figure it out. I say to myself if i was coming on a call in the blind would i be lerry of the people there, bet your ass,I want to see my family at the end of the day…Why take a chance.BUT DO IT IN A CIVIL MANNER..In all police barricks you see all the fallen officers on the walls across the country who lost there lives in the CALL of duty,its awarness,for what lurks out there!!Theres a old saying the more laws in a state the more courpt the state,why it takes a law to over turn a law, SELF INTREST IS INVOLVED

    • Raymond

      Officers are stressed out from dealing with trash all day.

      • Dan az

        Raymond
        The problem with that is it was there choice of work!If they cant deal with it why not find a different line of work?
        Check out this site.Please!
        http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

        • Raymond

          Dan az says:
          June 23, 2011 at 9:23 am
          Raymond
          The problem with that is it was there choice of work!If they cant deal with it why not find a different line of work?
          Check out this site.Please!
          ……………………………………………………….
          So they have to put up with it or work somewhere else?
          That’s nuts.

          • Dan az

            No Ray
            They are going into a business that deals with the darker side of humanity not the crossing guard of the school children.Their choice!They want the power that they didn’t have as a child and now that power goes straight to their head.I’m not saying all of them but allot of them.Power corrupts and you get the rest!

        • Patty

          It was thier choice of work. You cannot just submitt a resume and be a cop. There are at least 2 years of law enforcement training at a gov’t. school. Community college. Then there is more training after that. There is also EMT training. They are constantly going to training classes of one type or another year around.

      • Ken

        Then send the trash back across the border whey belong.

        • Raymond

          Sending the trash back across the boarder is a great idea.

    • Craig T Mayberry

      There is a conundrum that all police officers must deal with and that is to protect and serve who? Is the person I’m talking to a criminal that good citizens need to be protected from or is he or she a benign non-criminal citizen that means no harm but will bristle at being intimidated by someone who’s salary their taxes pay. If you can’t figure that out and you can’t tell the difference then get a job as a construction worker or a hamburger flipper because you’re not smart enough to be a police officer in a free country.

      • Raymond

        Being disrespectful to police officers clearly
        indicates that one was not raised properly.
        Parents fail to raise their kids properly and
        the police are forced to deal with the mess.

        Said people are the ones who helped to put
        a Jew hating, America hating bi-sexual muslim
        in the oval office.

        • Craig T Mayberry

          Huh?!?>What???

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Blame that one the democrats and the un-educated Americans who listed to their brain sucker in their living rooms saying change, change, change a million times, and they bought into it without researching who this guy was, where he was from, where he is going, what he is about, what plans he might have, or anything at all about him. They never asked those questions, they just blindly bought the ads they watched on the brain sucker.

        • DaveH

          Oh? But it’s okay for officers to be disrespectful to us? Are Government officials above the law? Don’t answer that, because I know in your world they are.

          • Raymond

            DaveH says:
            June 23, 2011 at 10:24 am
            Oh? But it’s okay for officers to be disrespectful to us? Are Government officials above the law? Don’t answer that, because I know in your world they are.
            ……………………………………………………………….
            It’s NOT ok for police officers to be disrespect people.
            Government officials are not above the law but we have a
            muslim sitting in the oval office who thinks he is.

    • DaveH

      When you’re faced with a crime, who do you call? I don’t. When the taking of your life is seconds away, the police are minutes away. Oh yeah, they get there in time to take notes. Whoopee.

      • Patty

        And hose off the crime scene. Clean up crew.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          And they get there in time to draw the chalk figure around where the body was lying.

  • Craig T Mayberry

    Our police are becoming jackbooted thugs and we, meaning all of us regular law abiding people, need to do something about it. I contacted the Mayor of the 60,000 or so pop. town I live in and was offered a meet and greet with the city administrator and the Chief of police. I told them of my concerns regarding the Us vs. Them attitude of the police and the idea among their closed society that the citizens of my town were the enemies of the police. This stemmed from an incident where a police officer arbitrarily increased the level of a charge against me stemming from a traffic stop after I dared to question his absolute authority. I had committed the crime of “Pissing off a Cop” by asserting that as an American I have the right to open my mouth an express an opinion. The outcome of the sit down was that they included a statement on their website that they actually did have respect for our constitutional rights. I have my doubts. In an era where all government budgets are under financial pressure we will see sharp increases in clever ways to extract more money from us criminal masses to support the never decreasing appetites of local governments being given less and less from state and federal money pits.

    • Raymond

      Your total disrespect for police officers say much about.

      • Craig T Mayberry

        You’re right I am beginning to have total disrespect for police officers as most of them have total disrespect for my God given constitutional rights. I am a military veteran who has spent a lot of time over seas. When I came back to my country it had changed. We are now becoming a people who are ruled rather than governed by consent. I don’t like it. Do you?

        • Raymond

          Craig T Mayberry says:
          June 23, 2011 at 8:47 am
          You’re right I am beginning to have total disrespect for police officers as most of them have total disrespect for my God given constitutional rights. I am a military veteran who has spent a lot of time over seas. When I came back to my country it had changed. We are now becoming a people who are ruled rather than governed by consent. I don’t like it. Do you?
          ……………………………………………………………..
          I served in the Marines from 1972 – 1976 and yes I was part
          of Vietnam. Yes America has indeed changed and not for the better.
          America has spit in God’s face and has embraced every evil under heaven.
          The more a nation turns from God and embraces evil, the more problems
          that nation has. Semper Fi

      • DaveH

        And you, dear sir, are showing your contempt for our Freedom.

  • Harold

    Perhaps you are guilty.

    Do you hate and mistreat animals?

    • Patty

      Whom are you targeting this at?

  • Raymond

    What has America become????

    Has America become the land of special interest and home of the
    double standard? Let’s see: If we lie to the Congress, it’s a felony
    and if Congress lies to us it’s just politics. If we dislike a black person,
    we’re a racist and if a black dislikes whites, it’s their 1st Amendment
    right. The government spends millions to rehabilitate criminals and
    they do almost nothing for the victims. In public schools you can teach
    that homosexuality and lesbianism is ok, but you better not use the
    word God in the process. You can murder a child in the mothers womb,
    but it’s wrong to execute a mass murderer. We don’t burn books in
    America, we now rewrite them. We got rid of the communist & socialist
    threat by renaming them progressives. If you protest against Obama’s
    policies you’re a terrorist, but if you burn an American flag or George
    Bush in effigy, it’s your 1st Amendment right.

    You can have pornography on TV or the internet, but you better not
    put a nativity scene in a public park during Christmas. In America,
    criminals are now called sick people. The government takes money
    from those who work hard & gives it to those who are lazy. Parenting
    has been replaced with Ritalin & video games. The land of opportunity
    is now the land of hand outs.

    And how do we handle a major crisis today? The Government
    appoints a committee to determine who’s at fault, then threatens
    them, passes a law, raises our taxes, then tells us the problem is
    solved so they can get back to their reelection campaign.

    • kilrntex

      I just got a post on FB where the obama regime is making ready the FEMA prisons for all of us real Americans protesting govt socialism. It’s time to pledge allegiance to America or obama. As for me and many others, they will have a fight on their hands! America or death.

      • karolyn

        Totaly RIDICULOUS!

    • Don

      Raymond, you hit the nail on the head, how true you are !

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      My gosh man, you spoke the absolute truth in your whole post. Way to go, now every Democrat and liberal are going to hate your guts. But you are so correct, that our wishy washy press persecutes one side when they ask questions about Obama, and deem it criminal, yet they openly assault and lie about the other side continually. What the liberals did in their lies and false evidence they dug up on Sarah Palin, had the media properly done their job, those people that did these things should have been put in jail. And the things that Barney Frank, Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick did to make the banks collapse, they should all have been in jail, and still in jail, yet the liberal press gives them a free pass because they are on the left just like the press is. Its sick, and its very damning to this country that I love.

      • Raymond

        America is my home & I love her.
        Consider this: We have a Jew hating, America hating, God hating bi-sexual
        muslim sitting in the Oval Office with access to America’s nuclear weapons.
        He also has control over our armed forces. Does anybody feel safe? I don’t.

        • Patty

          I don’t think he has control over the MIC…..vise versa.

        • Kate8

          Officials of the Democrate Party are not allowed to veer from their agenda, but must walk in lock-step. They are forbidden to disagree with Obama or anything he does. They may not criticize or in any way question the Progressive credo.

          Gabriel Giffords tried that. In fact, she was collaborating with Judge Roll to re-establish adherence to the Constitution.

          Judge Roll already had a hit out on him because he held to the Constitution.

          • Patty

            This I need to check out and verify. Unbelievable and very sad.

          • Kate8

            Patty – Rather than posting a link, just do a search on “Judge Roll targeted for assassination”.

            You will find a whole list of articles.

        • Patty

          OK, I keep seeing this bi-sexual thing on Obama, can I get a reference please,

    • Dan az

      Raymond
      You had me worried there for awhile but after reading that I see now that you understand where we are going.Things are a changing and this ride is going to get really bumby.

    • DaveH

      And why is it, Raymond, that I suspect from your past comments, that you will just blindly follow orders to enforce those very things, because you “respect” the law?

      • Raymond

        DaveH says:
        June 23, 2011 at 10:29 am
        And why is it, Raymond, that I suspect from your past comments, that you will just blindly follow orders to enforce those very things, because you “respect” the law?
        ……………………………………………………….
        Christians are being silenced all across America: in the political debate, the public square, the schools, the workplace, and even in the sanctuary of their own churches. Read these signs of the times:

        - Christians threatened with prison for protesting the homosexual agenda.
        - Employees of Fortune 500 companies fired for quoting the scriptures or forbidden to display family pictures in their office cubicles because they offend homosexual employees.
        - Christian churches ordered by the government to perform lesbian marriages.
        - “Antibullying” programs explicitly promote homosexuality in public schools.
        - Municipal workers forbidden by the city to say “family values” because those words constitute a hate crime.
        - Proposed federal laws supposedly aimed at preventing employment discrimination that would make discrimination against Christians the law of the land.
        - Other “antidiscrimination” laws make Christian charities illegal.
        - Secularist liberals in Congress seek to censor or bankrupt Christian broadcasters.
        - The IRS “cracking down” on Christian pastors who oppose homosexual propaganda in schools, abortion on demand, or same-sex marriage.
        - The real impact of same-sex marriage? Any criticism of homosexuality would be legally defined as bigotry. Christians who protest could lose their jobs, go to jail, or see their churches shut down by the government.
        - The Christian haters are becoming an elite class of super citizens whose moral views are actively sponsored by the state while Christians are increasingly censored, penalized, and even prosecuted.

        • karolyn

          OMG! What a litany! How can this be when the majority in this country are Christians? Several of your contention re blatantly false. For instance, no one is forcing Christian churches to perform homosexual marriages. What is wrong with bullying laws? And no one “promotes” homosexuality. If protesters are unruly, of course they get arrested. I really don’t feel like investigating all of your allegations; however, I would benture to guess that they are blown way out of proportion!

          • Raymond

            karolyn says:
            June 23, 2011 at 11:52 am
            OMG! What a litany! How can this be when the majority in this country are Christians? Several of your contention re blatantly false. For instance, no one is forcing Christian churches to perform homosexual marriages. What is wrong with bullying laws? And no one “promotes” homosexuality. If protesters are unruly, of course they get arrested. I really don’t feel like investigating all of your allegations; however, I would benture to guess that they are blown way out of proportion!
            ………………………………………………………………………………
            The majority of people in this country are not Christians, if this were
            true we would not have a homosexual in the oval office.

            Homosexuality is being pushed everyday.

          • Raymond

            More Homosexual Entitlements?

            The Homosexual Lobby with the help of their allies in the media and Congress is spreading a devastating lie: The homosexual lifestyle is as normal, healthy and safe as any other.
            Worse, they have successfully infiltrated sex education class in many schools throughout the country; spreading this lie.
            The sad fact is, their assertion could not be further from reality. One in five homosexual men in America has HIV. And if that wasn’t bad enough, half of these men do not even know it. And now Barack Obama wants you to pay for the ramifications of their unhealthy lifestyle.

            The CDC recommends the average homosexual man be tested for HIV once a year and those with more than one partner or a drug habit to get tested at least every three to six months! And there is no cure for AIDS or HIV. There is an expensive drug cocktail that must be taken for the remainder of the individual’s life.

            And these expensive tests and drugs are only the beginning of what the government will inevitably make you pay for so that homosexuals can continue their unhealthy lifestyle while avoiding the cost of the consequences.

          • Raymond

            Homosexuals prey on children.
            33% of homosexuals ADMIT to minor/adult sex (7).
            There is a notable homosexual group, consisting of thousands of members, known as the North American Man and Boy Love Association ( NAMBLA). This is a child molesting homosexual group whose cry is “SEX BEFORE 8 BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE.” This group can be seen marching in most major homosexual parades across the United States.
            Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molestor, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor (19).
            73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under 19 years of age (9).
            Many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles: “The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality” (22).
            Because homosexuals can’t reproduce naturally, they resort to recruiting children. Homosexuals can be heard chanting “TEN PERCENT IS NOT ENOUGH, RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT” in their homosexual parades. A group called the “Lesbian Avengers” prides itself on trying to recruit young girls. They print “WE RECRUIT” on their literature. Some other homosexuals aren’t as overt about this, but rather try to infiltrate society and get into positions where they will have access to the malleable minds of young children (e.g., the clergy, teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) (8). See the DC Lesbian Avengers web page, and DC Lesbian Avengers Press Release, where they threaten to recruit little boys and girls. Also, see AFA Action Alert.

          • karolyn

            So, Raymond, what do you advocate? Kill all homosexuals? Put them all in detention camps?

          • karolyn

            I tend to believe you got all your stats from a right-leaning organization. As we all know stats are skewed to the taker’s agenda. I am sure that all of the normal, middle class, Christian, conservative gays abhor those that you speak of. Oh, I’m sure you don’t believe there are Christian Conservative gays? Well,you are in for a surprise then, because they do exist! And all of the normal, middle class progressie gays abhor those you speak of!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            No karolyn, they do promote homosexuality. Everywhere. It is presented by hollywood as normal. In our very schools, they teach that its perfectly normal for Billy to have two moms or two dads. In the movies, almost always, it is presented that the two are very intelligent, respected totally successful people, and though its true some are, it is a fact they roam from partner to partner, and have a far higher “divorce” if you call it that, rate than normal people. I dont see the perverted version of them in films anywhere, but Ive been to many big cities and seen it first hand, and yes, whether you want to admit it or not, it is promoted, and it is shoved down the throat of society that you will accept it or face the consequences. That is a fact.

          • Karolyn

            Beberoni – You don’t have to look at them, talk to them or have any kind of contact with gays. Why on earth does it bother you and yours how other people live? And why should it not be accepted by everyone? Just because your interpretation of the Bible says so! What difference does it make? Kids who are not gay won’t “turn” gay!!! Honestly, I can just imagine what Jesus would say to you; and, again, I think it would not be “good job.”

          • Patty

            hey, the gay pride rainbow parade is in St Paul, MN this weekend. The MNDOT is going to light up the bridges. Guess who gets to pay the OT for those gov’t. workers to string the lights and pay for the electricity. http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news/minnesota/35w-bridge-rainbow-lights-gay-pride-june-24-2011

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Let me tell you something about Christians being persecuted karolyn, which you seem blind to. My own brother had his job taken from him, where he had worked 20 years, because a down and out woman that worked there, noticed he was always calm and in control of things. He told her it wasnt him, it was having Jesus in his life, and knowing that He was in control, is where he derived his peace from. Daily, she would start asking him questions, to where he would tell her in the Bible the verses that guide his life. Someone there complained, and he was called in and told that he wasnt allowed to talk about Jesus or mention his name at work. He asked if they would say that to him if he was talking about Mohammed or Ghandi or someone, and they said they didnt need to go there, and transferred him 50 miles away from home, knowing that he would quit instead of driving that far everyday. And in case your interested in knowing, this was at a grocery store called Scott’s Foods, who is now owned by Kroger. Another friend of mine told me his brother was fired at Scotts for the same thing, for witnessing Jesus. It is mild here so far compared to other countries, like the Sudan where they catch people reading the Bible and they cut their hands off for it. But it is coming here soon, and more and more all the time.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            On the contrary karolyn, I believe Jesus would tell me “good job”. You see, you need to understand, in being a Christian, and having knowledge of right and wrong that God has revealed to me and in me, it is a sin if I just keep it to myself, and feel all good that Im saved, and tell no one about Him. No, I am called to go out into the world, and tell of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and though it may be unpopular and people will persecute me and hate me for it, oh well, it is what Im called upon to do. But I am called upon to do it in love. So no, I dont walk up to a gay and tell them to stop what the are doing. But if they ask me if its wrong, I surely will tell them that Im not the judge of that, but offer them “Here is what God says”. I have actually had a gay friend ask me straight out “Am I going to hell for being gay?”. I had to answer, absolutely not. And do you know why Karolyn? Do you know why? Because you dont go to hell for what you do, you go for what you dont do. There is no amount of prayer and good works that we can do that will “earn” our way into heaven. No. The work was already done, by Jesus Himself, when He said “I love you this much”, and spread His arms and took the nails for us. All we have to do is call on His name and believe. He did all the work needed. Eternal life is a gift of Grace from God, not a reward for our works, let no man boast. You cannot earn your way into heaven. But being gay, that is a fruit of unbelief, that shows one doesnt belief. If you believe, people can tell it in the way you live your life. In your giving, and your giving of yourself to others. The denial of self, for the betterment of others. But we are called upon to hold each other accountable, but still love one another regardless of our differences, and yes, that is darn hard sometimes, but at least I try, and I really dont need you trying to lay false judgment on me, when you have no idea of the efforts I put forth trying to help people, both with time and money and love. But since you dont see that and dont know that, you lay your judgment upon me. You judge that God is not please with me. I would have to disagree with you, at least on this issue. He would be way upset with me if I just acted like everything everyone did is ok, as long as they arent hurting anyone. Sorry, if you really read your Bible, and really come to having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as many of us do, you would know living like that, is living a lie. You know how they have the saying “Friends dont let friends drive drunk?”. Well Karolyn, friends dont let friends go to hell. And no one is a stranger, just a friend we havent met yet. Have a good day girl.

        • Dan az

          Raymond my man!
          That was good!Never mind our local hippy karolyn she has never come down from the sixties.Good job and keep up the good fight brother patriot!

          • eddie47d

            Nothing is good if all Raymond is spreading is false information and anti-homosexual hooliganism. Dan has truly fallen into the dark side of vicious rumors and hate speech.

          • Raymond

            Thank you

          • Dan az

            Eddie you are a sorry little troll that can’t see the truth if it hit you along side your head.Begone little man your bothering me!

          • eddie47d

            Keep drinking from your cup of hatred Dan. At least you’ll never be thirsty!

          • karolyn

            I’d certainly rather be a hippie than a bitter old man like so many here!

          • karolyn

            Spreading hate seems to come naturally to a lot of Christians. I had (note HAD) a friend who was a real Bible-thumper, who said she wouldn’t mind standing on the roof of a building and shooting gays. Bobbles my mind. What would Jesus think? I know what he would say, and it ain’t “Good job!”

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Truth is eddie, if you insist on butt bumping your friends, its going to most likely get really warm after you leave this earth. Really warm. I dont make that call, but I know the Man that does, and when He says its an abomination to him for a man to sleep with another man like he would a woman, Im pretty sure that aint a good thing my friend.

          • Kate8

            Raymond – Dan az is right. Just ignore karolyn and eddie. They live in Obama fantasyland.

            You are very correct. Christians are being persecuted, prosecuted and set up for elimination. Churches are being bullied, and many have already complied and have given over to apostacy. But then, scripture says this is to be. (It is the price of claiming tax-exemption. IOW, they’ve sold out to satan already.)

            Homosexuality is being shoved down our throats, and our children are being bombarded with gay indoctrination. Laws are making their way to outlawing homeschooling, so Christians cannot decide what to teach their kids.

            Churches are being prepared to assist in the NWO. They will encourage people to go along with the program, to take the chip, and even promote the one-world religion.

            Things are moving rapidly toward total fascism. Satan has always sought to eliminate God from all things, and to eliminate all of His people. He thinks that then he wins.

            Except that God created the Laws of the Universe, and one Law is that evil always self-destructs.

          • Karolyn

            BS KATE! Obama has nothing to do with this! It’s basic differences in perception!

          • Kate8

            karolyn – No one said Obama has anything to do with your perceptions of the subject, although he is a pervert and a deviant.

            It’s just that you think he’s great, and that shows your level of mentality.

          • Karolyn

            Kate – Who are YOU to question my level of mentality? Just because someone disagrees with YOU means they have a lower mentality?

          • eddie47d

            Sorry Beberoni I don’t bump butts.It has to do with decency towards our fellow man not sexual preferences.

          • eddie47d

            Hmmm, Maybe we should ignore Kate! Naw!!

          • Kate8

            eddie – Now there’s an idea. Please, feel free to ignore me!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I assure you eddie, it is not decent people that butt bump their buddies. However, just because I know someone is doing wrong, does not mean I turn my back on them, but it does not mean I accept their wrong doing either. If I hear about a straight guy beating a woman, I know its wrong, and Im going to tell him about it and how wrong it is, and that he needs to stop it now. But it doesnt mean Im going to hate on him for it. That is the hardest thing about being a Christian eddie, is that we are called to love the un-lovable, and Ill be the first to admit its hard. I do not like Obama, and I do not approve of most of the things he is doing. But, Im called upon to love the guy, so I pray for him most every night, that he will make godly decisions and do the right things, not for him, and not for me, but for all the people he was elected to represent. And again, although I knows its wrong, because God’s word tells me its wrong, I pray quite a bit for those involved in the perversity of a gay alliance, that their eyes and ears may be opened to see they are doing wrong, and that they turn from their evil ways and come into the grace of the Lord. Sin is sin, and my sin is no better or no worse than their sin. And I have to pray quite a bit for God to lead me away from my sinful ways. I fail quite often, and probably will continue to do so as long as Im made out of flesh. Any Christian who tells you they dont sin, is lying to you. Were men.

        • DaveH

          Raymond,
          I am an Atheist, but it so happens that I sympathize with you on the Religious issue. Liberals don’t like Christianity because it stands in the way of their helping themselves to our money. And, contrary to what Liberals like to believe, The Constitution does not guarantee Separation of Church and State. It simply states that Congress shall pass no law respecting Religion. So I am with you on that issue.
          What concerns me is that you might blindly fire on those of us who just want Freedom from Big Government busybodies, and who want Government to obey the Constitution (which it quit doing long ago). If I’m wrong, I would be happy about being wrong.
          Please consider taking this pledge:
          http://oathkeepers.net/

          • karolyn

            I just don’t understand where you get the idea that liberals don’t like Christianity. I think it is just an old stereotype that keeps going because of people perpetuating it. It’s a rather ridiculous statement.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Where I get that idea from karolyn, is their actions. And actions speak louder than words. Their actions say its ok to murder innocent babies in their mothers wombs, and they are now using our money to pay for it and fund it in third world countries. Their actions give special rights to sexually perverted people who do their own sex, when these rights are afforded to everyone. They live in that gray area, where everything is ok. Well sorry, somethings arent ok, not when your a Christian. There is a clear line between black and white, day and night, good and evil. And when you take the step of being a Christian, hey, its time to get off the fence, and stand on one side or the other. Democrats straddle the fence, and have for years.

          • DaveH
          • DaveH
          • DaveH

            Here’s another example, Karolyn:
            http://coloradoindependent.com/25391/religion-and-politics-poll-reaches-seinfeld-proportions-on-nothingness

            From the above:
            Religious faith is very important in their life
            Liberals 54%
            Conservatives 82%

          • Karolyn

            Yeah, Dave, I read part of the blog. Converts are usually the most bitter. All I go on is my 64 years of experience. I have never known a liberal who HATES Christians, but I’ve known a few Christians who HATE. I’m being perfectly honest here, and I was born and raised in NJ.

          • Karolyn

            I might add that many of the liberals I have known have BEEN Christians.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Christians who hate? Come on karoyn, are you serious? If your a Christian, you cannot hate. Being a Christian, means you are a Christ follower. And being a Christ follower, you cannot hate. You love on people. Now you may be referring to a person who calls themself a Christian, but thats a whole other story now. Satan has place what we call hypocrites all over in many, many churches, to keep the unchurched out, as they see these guys and it makes them want no part of Christendom. But a Christian who is a Christian, well, I assure you, they dont hate. Those people that do that, do not know what a Christian is, and they do not know Christ.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Raymond, WELL SAID!__ I believe “the Crusades” never ended. The Christians fought against the Muslims in the beginning of the Crusades, in the name of Christianity, and fought other Anti-Christians as well. Most Crusaders were wealthy, so is wasn’t all money in the beginning. The Bible and God, has been spat on and burned for centuries, but both still shine through, to those who would believe, and I do. God Bless!

    • Patty

      Good summarization of our world today. Thanks,

  • hopalong

    Back in the 1950′s, georgia was on the warning list of AAA ins, to stay out of georgia. They had many ,many, bad cops. I see nothing has CHANGED.

  • lucy

    It happened to us at a Sam’s Club in Pa. The officer however was nice and did not give a ticket.
    People call the police about a dog who is well taken care of but don’t report the beatings that take place in front of their eyes including the teachers we see on Video watching beatings in their classrooms???

  • Raymond

    Leaving animals, even for a few minutes, in a hot vehicle is wrong.
    The author of this article is being melodramatic.

    • Craig T Mayberry

      “Melodramatic” as in exagerrated unwarranted overly emotional reaction to a situation requiring some rational thought and behavior is when your liberty is summarily and arbitrarily stripped from you by an authoritarian cop who can’t tell the difference between normal and criminal behavior.

      • Raymond

        Now it’s you being Melodramatic.

        • Craig T Mayberry

          HUH!?! What??? No You are!! Once a Marine always a Marine.

      • Raymond

        Earlier today I posted something to you
        but the website administrators deleted it.
        This tells me alot about them.

    • http://none mom of a vet tech

      If your wife and daughter put on fur coats while they waited, then they would have realized that even being given a glass of water wouldn’t cut it.

      My vet tech has taught me that even with the windows down and sitting in the shade, a car is still too hot for any being wearing a fur coat.

      Our state just passed a law that you cannot leave anyone under age twelve in a car! It came to that because drivers just don’t get it, especially when they are in the store enjoying the air conditioning! And because we have had to many babies left in the car while the parent goes to pay for gas and while leaving the car running for air conditioning, the car and child in the back seat are swiped!!!

      I don’t like anymore laws than the next person. Sometimes we shouldn’t do the things we do!

      • DaveH

        Just what we need — more laws! Already in this “Free” country we have more people locked up than any other country in the World save possibly China whose figures are suspect:
        http://reason.org/news/show/prison-math

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I guess I dont have a problem with people locked up, I mean some need to be locked up. But when they are locking guys up for 5 to 10 to 25 years for smoking pot, but letting murderers out after 7 to 8 years, then therein lies the problem. They let murderers, child molesters and rapists out way, way to soon, but keep non-violent drug users and marijuana smokers locked up to the maximum time allowed. Its rediculous.

      • Patty

        Mom of a vet tech – You must be really low on the vet tech to compare a human putting on a fur coat to an actual animal. The coat, the eye lashes etc., of a canine are there to protect them from the elements(hot or sub temp). Animals are not as “humanized” as you lead others to believe. I have raised , owned, fostered dogs for years and your “interpretation” is way off base.

        • Patty

          PS – Don’t shave your dog because you have not brushed them. It is thier natural defense against the elements.

    • DaveH

      Apparently, in your over-zealous hurry to condemn the author you missed this sentence:
      “My family and dogs sat in a hot car for more than an hour while the police harassed me”

      I really dislike self-righteous busy bodies.

      • Raymond

        What you really dislike is someone who is willing
        to stand up to those who do evil.

        • Patty

          OMG. You have now blasted the author of this story to EVIL? This is EXACTLY what the author is pointing out. OVER REACHING in thought and action. You are part of the problem, not the solution.

          • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

            Amen.

        • JC

          Raymond says:

          June 23, 2011 at 10:56 am

          What you really dislike is someone who is willing
          to stand up to those who do evil.
          ___________________________________________________________________

          So we should just overlook that the police themselves did the same and worse? Makes no sense….

        • DaveH

          Raymond,
          The world isn’t black and white. If the dogs didn’t enjoy being in the car, I doubt their owners would go to the trouble of making them ride. I know this from experience. The only time we put our Lab in the car was when he was going for shots (I was a child then). So it was like pulling teeth to get that dog in the car.
          So, that’s the first issue, the dogs probably love the ride. The second issue is that the owners most likely love the dogs or they wouldn’t bother bringing them along.
          You don’t even know if it was a hot day that the author spoke of. You do know though that the cops left the dogs sitting out in that same car for one hour. So, you’re being just a little harsh in your judgement.
          Sometimes people screw up and accidentally do the wrong thing. But if we punished everybody for being ignorant, there wouldn’t be many of us left.

  • iwannabefree

    Here in Las Vegas Nevada they gun us down in the street (saves the cost of a trial). Here in Las Vegas they need to be informed we have just as much right to life as the LVMPD. Henderson is worse. In that police state city you are guilty untill proven innocent (usually after your lying in the street…dead.

  • Todd

    I moved to GA in 2000 and registered my car there. In less than a year, on my birthday, my tags expired and I had to renew. So I went to the nearest tag office in Atlanta where I waited from when they opened (there was a line of at least 100 people before they opened) until they closed that night. I had to call my employer and beg for the day off…at the end of the day, they announced that I would be given a number to resume my place in line the following day. Problem was, I would start the line in 70th place next day. Before I could get another day off to wait in line, my tags expired and I got caught. That infraction required a court appearance, where I was greeted with a docket placing me at the bottom of a long list and a nother entire day of waiting. When I finally did see the Judge, he admonished me, fined me some four times the amount of my tag renewal and said if I EVER appeared in his court for that again he’d jail me in state prison for the maximum 5 years…because “…in having the right to be a citizen of the Great State of Georgia, one has the responsibility of following our laws to the letter…”
    And don’t even think about driivng on an expired driver’s license. They won’t even ticket you, you are arrested on the spot and there is NO defense, only prison.

    • Patty

      Don’t they have computers down there? Can’t you get your tabs on line. I have not been to a DMV unless my lisc. needed to be renewed which is every 7-10 years.

      • eddie47d

        Come to Colorado then. I’ve gone to the DMV for renewal when there are 50 -75 people ahead of me and I’m out of there with my tags within 45 minutes. I thought Georgia had become enlightened years ago but apparently not.

        • karolyn

          I’m in and out where I live, but, of course, this is a rural area.

        • Patty

          I can go to the DMV in a suburb of 60k in MN and be in and out within 20 min. No problem. And that is for something I cannot do on line in 5 min. max.

  • Al Sieber

    I saw this same story a few weeks ago, I’m glad Bob put it on his website. this happened to some friends of mine out here in Ariz. a few weeks ago, they were in a restaurant eating and the dogs were in the car with the windows rolled down enough and plenty of water and a lady in the restaurant said she would call the cops if they didn’t let them out,they weren’t any danger. we’re taught to be a snitch society.

    • Raymond

      I saw this same story a few weeks ago, I’m glad Bob put it on his website. this happened to some friends of mine out here in Ariz. a few weeks ago, they were in a restaurant eating and the dogs were in the car with the windows rolled down enough and plenty of water and a lady in the restaurant said she would call the cops if they didn’t let them out,they weren’t any danger. we’re taught to be a snitch society.
      ……………………………………………………………………………………
      Anyone leaving an animal in a hot vehicle is trash.
      Your mad because the lady was looking out for the animals.
      I’ll bet you’re a Michael Vick fan.

      • Ken

        Raymond; your a perfect example of what we often forget. Innocent until proven guilty. With out first hand information, your just guessing what took place. Come-on man don’t be some demanding jerk that wants to punish an entire family, just because you THINK, they were doing something wrong.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree Raymond, but first, we dont know what the heat was like that day. 2, we dont know how long the animals were in the car and if the water was cool for them. I guess my question would be, is why would you go out to eat and take your pets? I dont understand that part. Being an owner of a dog and 3 cats, I myself, would never, ever, leave them in a car by themselves whether it be summer with the AC running, which I know a policeman who killed his dog that way, because the car stopped running and the dog cooked to death, or I wouldnt leave them alone in the winter with the heat on either. I guess I just choose to treat my pets like children, and I sure as hell would never ever leave a child un-attended in a vehicle, EVER. And I wouldnt leave my pet that way either, but thats just me.

        • Patty

          If you are road trippin’ what are you suppose to do with them? My dogs have more manners than most children I see in public. But, I can’t bring them into a public place. The only way I have to transport them from my home to my farm is by vehicle. If I have to stop for whatever reason what do you want me to do? I notice that the busy body’s recourse is to immediately call the police as she sees them exit the vehicle. She does not approach the family about her concerns? If you don’t have the guts yourself, MYOB. I as as protective of my dogs as I was of my kids. Don’t mess with them and don’t mess with me.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Sorry, I dont have an answer for that, I can only say what I would do, whether right or wrong. I wouldnt leave them in the vehicle if it was a hot sunny day, because I have seen pets die that way. And I wouldnt leave them in a vehicle if it was freezing out either, because if something happens to me, they freeze to death. I just dont want to go there, and I wont. I have seen pets in cars when it was smoking hot, and I felt sorry for them, and I actually watched them for about 10 minutes to make sure they were ok, until I seen their owners come out and start the car and drive away, to where I knew they were ok. Right or wrong, Im just saying I wont leave my pets in a hot car or a freezing car like that. Ive known of a few that died that way, and Im not willing to risk that. If I have to travel, when I get out, they get out. One of us goes in the store, one of us stays with the pet. If we get hungry, the drive through works. But thats just me, right or wrong.

      • Dan az

        Raymond
        I think you missed the point that when the cop put him in to his car for over a half an hour he was more in the wrong by not leaving him with at least water in a bowl like he did his dogs!Funny thing is when my wife leaves me in the car at the market know one ever thinks about me!She says that I cost to much when I go in the store.Maybe I should have her arrested,No it would probably piss her off more.Oh well just a thought!

      • Al Sieber

        Hey Raymond, they weren’t my dogs a$$hole, and the people were no more than 80′ from their vehicle and they could see the dogs, what’s the problem? the temp. was only 65 degrees, I hate Michael Vick. you don’t comprehend what you read?

        • DaveH

          Al, you’re being disrespectful to an Officer. Achtung!

          • Al Sieber

            DaveH, you got that right, maybe a member of the future Gestapo, I treat people the way they treat me.

          • Al Sieber

            And Dave, have you heard anything about law enforcement being trained for civil unrest here in Ariz.? I know a few cops and they said yes, but that’s all they could say about it, no further details.

          • Dan az

            Hey Al
            My buddy Lt.second in command said they receive training all the time from HS and also warned me to keep them loaded!That was all he could say too.

          • DaveH

            No, I haven’t heard. I live a pretty sheltered life. Don’t like people much. I like you guys though, lol.

          • Al Sieber

            Dave, I don’t hang out with too many people, just the ones that work for me, and Dan, at least I wasn’t hearing things about AZ. law enforcement future plans.

      • DaveH

        And there it is in a nutshell, people. Do you really expect those who, like Raymond, have been brainwashed to look at us like subjects, will have any interest in protecting what little Freedom we have left?
        This is what the military statists have led us to. They are no better than the welfare statists who are pulling us in the opposite direction.
        Big Government is the Problem, NOT the Solution!
        Vote Libertarian — For Peace, Individual Liberty, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, and LIMITED GOVERNMENT!
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

        • JC

          They’re just doing their job Dave…

          Funny Holocaust survivirs said that the Nazi’s often said the same thing to them…”I’m just doing my job”

          Even if it grates their conscience…they usually bow to the pressure from above.

          • Patty

            Because that is where they get thier paycheck. All you police officers out there, Don’t drink the kool-aid and don’t sell our nation and freedoms for the price of your paycheck.

      • DaveH

        And this is a man, who no doubt, condones the killing and maiming of hundreds of thousands of people in countries who are no threat whatever to our country’s Freedom.
        Don’t be surprised Folks, when people like this bring the wrath of the world down on us, much like Hitler did to his people. There is no moral excuse for murder save self-defense. And it certainly isn’t self-defense when we are in a foreign country who hasn’t attacked our country.

      • Patty

        Raymond, what is the difference between leaving them in a car with the windows down and tying them to your bumper? The car gives them shade.

      • Patty

        Raymond – That is ridiculous. Do you want them to tie them to the bumper? Where they may have no shade? Where they can be readily stolen? Where they can be approached by stangers where they may bite someone while protecting thier owners property. Where some ignorant parent would let thier children approach and try to pet and then get bitten and a lawsuit would insue? You obviously do not own a canine as a pet. I protect my dogs as I would a child. And yes, they once in a while have to spend short periods of time in the car. In the shade, with water. Some may be derilict in duty, but when you invest as much time and money in a pet that you consider a part of the family, how dare you reign judgement.

    • DaveH

      And if they let them out there would be probably be some law against that too.

      • Dan az

        Actually Dave I think there is!And if you remember quite along time ago that in caly there was allot of dog thefts going on,they finally figured it out that the vietnamese where eating them.That’s why I still favor rottweilers they at least stand a chance of defending them selves.

        • http://deleted Claire

          Several years ago, a guy was hunting, when he was finished, he tied his two hunting dogs to the back bunper of his truck. Apparently he forgot they were tied to the back bumper–he took off, dragging those two dogs down the highway. People were honking and hollering at him to try to get him to pull over. The stupid guy just waved and kept driving. When he got home he realized what he did, and the dogs were mangled corpses. He was my daughter’s neighbor. And all he said was that he wondered why everyone was honking at him-he thought it was funny. The lowlife SOB. There are people in this world that should not have dogs. Animals are at our mercy. If a person is cruel to a dog or any animal, that person is scum.
          My aunt and uncle in Wisconsin had neighbors–Hmongs–there were about 4-5 families that lived in one house. The pet cats and dogs started missing-the cops were called and they checked the Hmongs’ garbage cans and found animal bones. These Hmongs were killing the neighbors’ pets and eating them. They were fined and that was it. The lowlife scum should have been put in jail.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Oops… “bumper”

          • Al Sieber

            Claire, that’s what “Chevy Chase” did in “Summer Vacation” wasn’t funny.

          • Patty

            I had a construction company as a client in St. Paul, MN. He said it was amazing how suddenly there was no wild or domestic life around. The Hmoungs had used them all up.

  • Mark Matis

    God [removed] every filthy maggot pig straight to [removed] for what they have done to this country. For it is THEY who spit on their oath to the Constitution and do this. NOBODY ELSE! Not Obama. Not Reid. Not Pelosi. Not even Holder, Mueller, or Napolitano. For THEY merely flap their gums and order the pigs to attack. And “Law Enforcment” promptly ignore their oath to “…preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution…”, bow and scrape before their Masters, and then do WHATEVER they are told!

    [removed]

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      But you and I dont get to make that call. God Himself has reserved Himself that position to make that call, and will all will get our chance in front of Him to state our case, you and I included. Ive got my story prepared, even though He already knows it. Do you?

      • DaveH

        Good luck with that one.
        Me, I prefer to straighten things out before I die.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          We all get our chance to “get it straight” before we leave this earth Dave. All of us. Problem is, sometimes people plan on doing it on their death bed, then they die in an instant in a car crash, and never get that chance. Plan ahead.

  • robert

    2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

    911weknow com infowars com henrymakow com wearechange org
    gigisup net pressfortruth ca

    • Dan az

      Robert
      If your going to spout the bible then at least put some light in the gravatar you use.Its as if someone from the dark side is trying to convince us the end is near.Disturbing to say the least!

  • Ken

    I think there are a lot of us that have been mistreated by the police officers in one state or another. I have a concealed weapon permit and always carry it everywhere I go. When I’m pulled over for what ever reason, I always stay in my car, and wait for the officer to come to me, (the law in many states). The first thing out of my mouth, isn’t my name, or why did you pull me over? I tell the officer that I have a loaded concealed weapon. I then tell him I have a permit for it. They usually don’t ask to see it.(?!) The next thing they usually say is, “do you know why I pulled you over?” My standard answer “well I know I wasn’t speeding, is there a tail light out?”.
    My point here is, you have to take control of the situation, or the fool cops, (and they’re not all fools) will and treat you like some piece of meat.
    Look, I had worked in law enforcement for over 20 years and I will be the first one to tell you, that there are a lot of bad cops out there. You have about a 50% chance of getting a good or bad one.
    The main problem, they know the police chief, or sheriff, or mayor, get the picture? Some of them shouldn’t even have a gun, let alone one with bullets in it! Until we clean up the local graft, and underhanded bull-crap, that goes on in our towns and cities, we will all have to live with these idiots.
    Come-on, just look at the shape our country is in today! Wake up, and get involved, or sit back down and shut-up!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      That is one good thing here where I live in Indiana. I know who the police chief is, and I know who the Sheriff are, and they are both good men, and they will listen to complaints about their officers, and they have removed more than a handful of them from citizen complaints about them. I dont think in big cities this happens though. It seems the bigger the money purse, the bigger the corruption gets.

    • DaveH

      Good comment, Ken. But I don’t think we could ever eliminate the graft. As Government Grows, Corruption Flows.
      The only workable approach is to shrink Government dramatically, so we can get our prosperity back. In the 50s, for example, Government was about half the size it is now, and the crime rate was certainly no worse than now. And as the saying goes “If you treat people like children, they will behave like children”.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You are so correct Dave. The bigger the pile of money, the more fingers there are willing to grab it and use it for their own purposes and their own greed. Almost all places you have large piles of money, there are large piles of corruption and greed.

  • robert

    “Why of course the people don’t want war … But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship … Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.” — Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II

    911 was a inside job to bring in the POLICE STATE PATRIOT ACT
    wake THE CRAP UP

  • Michael D. Von Wert

    Let me start by saying I was a police officer for 5 years. And 5 years was all I could take. I was taught about people like Mr. Mugnaini, and how to deal with people like him.

    Mr. Mugnaini you are guilty! Guilty of “CONTEMPT OF COP”, that is.

    You see this is the new socialistic era of obama and those of his ilk. How dare you question the unbridled authority of anyone in a position of authority. You are not even allowed to video an officer while standing on your own property.

    All an officer has to say is I was worried about my saftey as “whoever” was doing “whatever” and then it automatically becomes an officer safety issue and any action taken by the cops then becomes “justifiable”.

    Germany was looking for “change” in the 1930s too! In 1938 Hitler said “Give me 10 years and you’ll not recognize Germany again”. Just look how much has changed in 2 years under obama.

    How dare you question the gestapo about civil rights! Civil rights went out the window with the U.S. Constitution that is no longer honored by our “president” or his administration.

    Bill Clinton said “We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans…” And the idiots that voted for him and obama, will soon start to realize that those one the bottom will stay on the bottom in a socialistic or police state.

    ANYONE who doesn’t see the coming of a police state isn’t paying attention! All one has to do is look at the military tactics, weapons and outfits worn by todays police. You better break out your history books too, ’cause what’s coming here has happened to other great societies before.

    • Raymond

      I agree 100%.
      People give police officers a hard time then cry like babies
      when they get arrested. Stefano R Mugnaini sounds like someone
      who would vote for a muslim.

      I have a strong dislike of ANYONE who mistreats animals.

      • C130 Gunship

        Aaaaaahhhh come on Raymond, there’s plenty of room for all of GOD’s creatures…………..right next to my mashed potatoes………

      • http://none Robert V

        Raymond,
        I agree with you. Every time a police officer tries to do his job.
        The people involved cry like little babies about how unfair and unjust the Law Enforcement was to them. Them latter these police officer become afraid to do their jobs. Then these people will complain that do Police Officers fail to do their jobs. To quote one..”That child would, not have died from child abuse, if the officers, would have pryed more, been more persistant and entered the home.”
        I honestly would hate to be an officer in this society.

        • Raymond

          Robert V, I agree with you 100%.

      • DaveH

        Did you really read Michael’s post, Raymond? I think perhaps you should read it a little more carefully.
        By the way, Michael, I agree with you.

      • Patty

        Raymond, you either mis-posted or you totally didn’t understand MicheyD’s post.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And it also goes the same way for the citizen, in using deadly force. I have a card in my wallet, that the local sheriff cited in a local newspaper, that said deadly force is permitted if your life is endangered. So when someone is breaking in my house, I will shoot them dead, and tell the officer when he arrives that the burglar said he was going to kill me and I felt my life was threatened, so I ended his. Then I would pull out that card. End of story.

      • DaveH

        You would hope, Beberoni. More than likely the authorities will make your life a hell on earth afterwards.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          You are probably right. The government is too big and has too much power, and that probably wont change for quite a while, if then.

    • Al Sieber

      Right on Michael, history is repeating itself.

  • Doug Dragert

    Stefano,
    If you had a bad experience at the denist’s office would that make all dentists bad people? I doubt it. In the police world we call that officer “badge heavy” and we try to root them out. How long had he been a police officer? A rookie mistake? It is quite common in all hot weather states to have citizens complain about dogs left in hot cars. Nearly every state has laws against it. That’s how the Humane Officer got to your car. Your confrontational attitude (“At what point did I break the law,etc.)didn’t do a lot to calm the situation down. There is always the equation of “you get what you pay for.” Low salaries mean less qualified people. “Guilty until proven innocent” only applies to trial. If not no one would ever get arrested because everyone would be deemed innocent. Police officers and judges splitting the fines is just ludicrous. If you want some statistics here’s one: only 1% of policemen ever disgrace the uniform. The celergy is batting in at 4%. If you have a complaint against an officer go to the Chief of Police, the prosecutor, the Police Commission, the State Police or the Attorney General. These people don’t want incapable officers either. I have even complained to my chief about officers from a different jurisdiction. Obama has no sway over local law enforcement. Any officer approaching a car is on guard. The driver knows who the officer is but the officer has not idea who he’s walking up to. Over 150 officers are killed in the line of duty each year. A St. Louis officer was killed over a parking ticket. The Watts riot in L.A. started over a traffic ticket. In actually the community dictates how they want police to enforce the law. “POLICE STATE” give me a break!!! You think that the police are the Gestapo? Go to your local police and ask to go on a “ride along” with an officer an get your eyes opened.

    • DaveH

      Oh, come on. “only 1% of policemen ever disgrace the uniform”?
      I think you mean only 1% get successfully prosecuted.
      I’ve known 2 cops personally who were a disgrace to their uniforms.

  • Former Ft. Stewart Soldier

    I was stationed there in the 70s and 80s. One of my troops ran out of gas and pulled his car over in front of a house. He was running late to morning formation so he left it there and hitched a ride in to base. After formation we got a gas can and some gas and went to get his car. When we got there, it was gone. We knocked on the door of the house and asked the lady if she had seen the car. She said it was blocking her driveway. My troop said it wasn’t even 6 inches over the driveway. He said, “Damn, why did you have it towed?”. She slammed the door and next thing we knew, there were several police cars there to arrest him. Seems that earlier that year the Georgia Legislature had passed a law making it illegal to curse in public or in front of women or children. We bailed him out. My lieutenant and I accompanied him to court later on. She had refused all calls and letters trying to apologize for the incident. On the day of court, the judge was handed a file and he looked at it and then asked, “Red, are you here?” A large state trooper stood up and worked his way forward. The judge asked if it was his wife, to which he replied, “Yes.” I knew we were cooked. The judge didn’t want to hear our side of the story, ramrodded the case through without our testimony or input and sentenced him to 1 year probation and about $1,100 fine. I turned to my lieutenant and loudly said while leaving the courtroom, “I would have made sure I got my moneys worth.” The whole city is crooked from police all the way up to the judges. They think that it is their duty to put the screws to anyone that is not a local. About a year ago I saw a documentary on Hinesville and how they were suffering because the 3rd ID had been deployed and most troops sent their families to their home of record. I laughed myself silly because it was pure justice to see the landlords who had messed over the military members and the city coffers suffering from lack of funds. Stay away from Hinesville and Ludowici because they hate the very people that bring money into their towns and will do anything to relieve you of even more. BTW, everyone in the unit chipped in and paid his fine and wrote bad words on the money that was handed over to the court.

  • Todd Kreigh

    Here in Oklahoma, the cowboy Nazis are known as the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. They routinely make headlines around the state for their misdeeds. One of their cherished moves is the ability to cancel posi-track and do whirling turns in the middle of the highway. One of them did that not long ago and got himself killed and took a few others with him. The OHP has nothing to do with “public safety”. Their primary raison d’etre is to be revenue agents for the state, pure and simple. They don’t do actual police work.

    At least one third of all police officers chose that profession to satisfy their guns-n-handcuff fetish or just because they love telling people what to do. not to protect and serve, but to harass and control.

    In Russia, slang for “policeman” is “mysor” (garbage) because they’re a) useless, and b) corrupt. I hope we haven’t reached that point here.

    • http://personallibertydigest Reba

      You are so right. But the OKDOT is nothing compared to the corrupt cops of Enid and Garfield county. They make their own laws.

  • Keith

    Stefano,Where have you been not to see this all around you for the last umpteen years lol?Approximately 35 years ago,I was with a group of friends travelling through Maryland when our van was pulled over for speeding.Never mind the fact that the other hundreds of cars around us were too,but we had Mass tags.We and the van were thoroughly searched,then escorted to a judges house to be fined.The judge told us to take every cent from our pockets,including the emergency 20 hidden in our wallets.He then calculated the cheapest way home avoiding tolls and left us around 5 bucks for fuel.Fine paid and released right?Wrong!!!Around 6 weeks later,the driver of the van received a speeding ticked from Maryland!

  • Dan az

    Thor
    Tell about the law that applies to the innocent people that die everyday because of bad judgement and bad apples.
    http://www.cato.org/raidmap/
    The Facts are that this is becoming no make that is a police state and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

  • TOCB

    This is why most black people have little or no respect for the so-called criminal justice system. We see more than our fair share of this type of thing. I too was once of the opinion that if a police officer charges you with something, you must have done something wrong. Now of course I know better from personal experience. Yes, we live in a police state. The government, be it city, state or federal can charge with any number of things that you will have to spend time and money defending yourself from. And in most cases, if the “state” say you are guilty, then you are guilty whether or not you actually are.

    • DaveH

      You might find this article interesting, TOCB.
      http://www.cato.org/pubs/catosletter/catosletterv9n1.pdf

      But electing people who are just going to build the Government even bigger is not the solution. If you want your Freedom back (I do too), then we all are going to need to get together and shrink our Government dramatically.

  • Kimberly Boldt

    Great story, Stefano! My husband and I have been complaining about this to our reps and senators for a long time! A wise person once said, “never ignore the trail of money.” So why did our society seemingly overnight turn into a police state? Answer, the money. Our justice system has become an efficient revenue collection system using fines, penalties, and taxes. Our prisons are mainly filled with non-violent people who could be helped simply by rehabilitation or are there unnessessarily because it creates jobs for prison workers and the justice system. These are the very things our Founders warned us about. The U.S. has the largest prison system in the world! Not even Russia or China has a prison system as large! Over 2 million people are currently serving time in jail or prison. About 50,000 are violent criminals. The rest are there on drug use, animal cruelty, resisting arrest, contempt of court, petty theft, and whole slew of other non-violent offenses to the state. I say, “state”, because the Founders never would have thought up such a thing because they had already been through the abuses of the state. We have “natural rights”. Rights that come from God and nature, that no man can take away. The People were to “police their own” and settle disputes among themselves. But the “police state” sees it differently. They conspired many years ago to make us all criminals for their evil genius plan of collecting as much revenue to pay for those high union salaries, pensions, and benefits—a perpetual revenue collection system. Our bail, also, if often set so high, that only the rich can pay it. Penalities and fines, arrests–and when you have an arrest on your record, society doesn’t forgive you. You can’t get a job unless you know somebody. So these poor people after being released from jail or prison have their very lives destroyed by our so-called justice system. Many actually become criminals afterward to survive. I’ve complained to our State Attorney General many times, our court system, and our reps and senators. Everything falls on deaf ears. It’s time to put just men and women in office. It’s time for The People to stand up and no longer tolerate this! It’s time to bring back “true liberty!” It’s time for The People to end this “fascism” and change the way they think about their neighbors. Stop passing laws that take your neighbor’s rights away!

    • Craig T Mayberry

      Bring it sister.

    • Bert Cundle

      You know too much… It can get you hurt. So Many (INMATES) are called Institutionlized! When they get released, they tell there friends inside, they will be back… hold my bunk for me! An inmate once said, I have more FREEDOM in Jail, than on the streets! When a Politican sayes that make more jobs… I’m thinking more LAWS, for Police & Judges, Clerks, Jail/Prison inlargements.

    • DaveH

      Well done, Kimberly. Kudos.

      • Dan az

        Another sister true to heart!
        You to patty!

  • Raggs

    In the early 80′s at a greyhound bus terminal, I went outside during a transfer to another bus… Upon exiting through the double doors, to my rigth I heard a very loud WHOOP WHOPP… A man was lying on the sidewalk while handcuffed behind his back two officers were taking turns hitting him in the back and on the head.
    The police back then were more open and more careless of what they did, now everyone has a form of video cameras they are more cautious of how they do things… However I have to wonder what goes on when there are no witnesses or cameras.

  • GRUMPY

    My observation is from many years ago in high school….There were three NOBS that nobody liked, couldnt get a girlfriend, were never invited to parties etc. etc. If you havent guessed by now….yup, three out of three joined the local police force…OH sorry….police “SERVICE” Force has a bad conotation…Can`t be just here, it`s all over…

  • Jeff

    Just remember that when they ask if you understand…the answer is always NO. To admit you understand is saying that you “stand under” their authority. Even Miranda rights, when they ask if you understand, say NO. If you don’t believe me, look it up in the law dictionary. The State Police work to protect the state and as uniformed tax collectors, they are doing their job. Even the Supreme Court stated that a citizen has no right to expect protection from or by a law enforcement person.

  • James Hay

    It’s Like A Friend Of Mine Once Told Me Put A Badge On Some People And Give Authority Of The Law And They Think Their God Almighty And Are Enabled By Corrupt Court Systems In Any State In The Union.Money Prevails Over Justice If There Is Any Such Thing As Justice Exists In This Country.

  • i41

    When pissing and moaning about the officer, remember it is the legislature who has the LRC in the capital write up what is an offense, and set the fines. It is a way to get revenue for the State, same as requiring permits for what ever you want to do on you property. Also don’t forget the feds tell states what to enforce or they will with hold highway funds. Since the Stimulas Program for infra stucture was such a job creator for no one, except for banks and Wall Street slubs needing bonuses. Instead of worrying about highway speeds, the biggest criminals in office get to slide and walk away, especially in the beltway.

    • Dan az

      i41
      You know I notice when you write in the morning your spelling and attitude is greatly increased.What is it Jack Daniels?Even though I still like the phrase purple lip muslim and things.Just stating a fact.Not putting you down by any means I kike what you say at times.

      • DaveH

        You’re funny, Dan.

  • http://jassyl@centurytel.net James Kirksey

    Hinesville, Ga has a reputation for the actions of this story. In the mid 1950′s many of us attended Annual Training with the Army National Guard at nearby Fort Stewart, GA. Many of those in attendance would go to Hinesville and find themselves arrested for some simple or made up infraction of the law(s). Many Company Commanders carried extra money to AT for the purpose of bailing out those who visited Hinesville. Some Commanders made Hinesville an “Off Limits” town. The area at one time had so many traffic tickets that AAA rerouted tourist around the area. Also one of the Governors of Georgia took legal action against the police force in some of the speed trap cases in an effort to promote tourism. It appears that things have changed very little over the past 50+ years in that area. Maybe an out of state tag is the worse violation.

  • petrovern

    I am interested to hear the outcome of the court appearance and what the judge had to say about officer friendly lying about the assualt; 2 witnesses – wife and aninmal control officer – in support of the author of the article.
    I live in Canada and my brother is a Mountie. He says he hates the many cops that are “bullies”. He says basically they were bullies as kids and grew up to become proffessional legal bullies.
    1 day walking through the department he heard 1 idiot cop going on about how he pushed around a couple of teenagers in front of their friends when he found them smoking pot in a parking lot. the cop went on to brag about how he berated these kids and humiliated them in front of their peers, and what losers they were.
    My brother stopped and said, “Oh ya? Guess what?”, and went on to tell them the following about how he and I as kids grew up in an eastside slum, with an alcoholic single mom. When he attended the worst high school in Vancouver as a teen he had come to respect the School Liaison Officer of the VPD because of his fatherly attitude when dealing with kids. He was well liked and helped keep many kids out of trouble. It was because of him my brother said that he was inspired to become a cop. He then said to the bragging cop, “I am sure you made quite an impression on those “punks”. I am certain they will never forget the experience. I am equally certain they will NEVER want to grow up to become cops. What do you think they are goimg to want to be when they grow up?” and he turned and walked away, to hear most of the other cops standing around burst out laughing and start to clap.
    Yes those “punk” cops out there seem to be more and more prevalent these days…

    • DaveH

      It’s so nice to hear voices of reason. Thank you, petrovern.

      • petrovern

        ☺ pleasure

  • http://none Robert V

    After reading your story, which is so well written. Having worked in Public Safety for 23 years….I have heard so many stories about evil police officers. I just want to say that I am sure if you ask the ACO, a witness on the parking lot, and the LE officer, you might get a different recall on how the events unfolded.
    Just because a Minister rants about an occurence, does not mean it is true. I have seen people rant, and written their Congressman, Mayor, or Governor, just because they got a speeding ticket. And demanded the Officer be fired.
    I am not for a police state or big government, but we need to be a society of law and order….or we just as well go back to living in caves and being hunter-gathers.

    • DaveH

      True, but there are just too many laws for us to expect any kind of real order these days.

    • Patty

      How irritated do you think the officer was to have to answer a 911 call from some busy body about a couple of dogs in a car? Someone has to answer and address each and every call coming in. Do you think that he was thinking what an utter waste of his time? And he became irritated. We can only go on the facts presented, and that would probably irrite me a little that some woman used 911 for this purpose.

      • Vicki

        I would like to remind the (theoretical) officer and Patty that he is being PAID to answer those calls and NOT to be irritated.

        If he can’t stand the heat he should get out of the kitchen.

        • Patty

          Vicki – I agree and understand that it is his job. I was pointing out that Ms Busy Body used the 911 service to report something that was definitely not an emergency. She watched them exit the vehilcle and immediately dialed 911.

  • Enough

    I am a lawyer and I watch cops on TV. I’m amazed at how brutal they are. How many illegal searches they do. How many rights are trampled. They are out of control especially since 9-11.

    • Dan az

      Then check this out.
      http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

    • http://yahoo.com American

      they are trained to be brutal, they enjoy it, I use to respect police not these new one’s I think they were hired for how brutal they can be and that is it. When that badge is pinned on them they become gods in their eyes and there isnt’ anything they won’t do and even lie about it. Local goverments just want cash that is all they want, cash in their greedy hands anyway they can get it, they just don’t care what their police do to anyone. The local politicans can also be communists, marxists, and fascists many of them are, and they will stomp all your rights because they feel they have a right to do so. You can bet the Obama adm tells them to do just that.

    • DaveH

      I agree. And that’s when they know they’re being filmed. Imagine when they’re not.

  • CJM

    Such occurences are not confined to GA; it is, apparently, a global problem so it isn’t just a national situation either. Usually, such incidences involve out-of-towners, no matter what the locale actually is. What this tells me is that the police state syndrome is an infestation of law enforcement and the political arenas–it is up to the people to rectify the situation through an informed voting process and making sure that our local law enforcement agencies strictly adhere to appropriate hiring practices. There is no excuse to say one does not know what the hiring practices are because these are of public domain and available to anyone who wants to review them. Furthermore, all of us need to be more involved in what our city/county/state officials are doing in our name.

    • Vicki

      We have been warned more than once that power corrupts.

  • http://yahoo.com American

    There are such idiots in Ga, anyway, I have had to deal with some of them on the phone, I think and I am sure most are retards. The whole of the US is becoming a police state. The local police and counties are money hungry, they will do just about anything to get a buck. That include stomp on your rights they don’t care. Most police are so communized by local agencies they forgot they are human. My own nephew became a cop where I live. I can now not stand the sight of him anymore, I stopped inviting him to my home, he is no heroe to me he is a bully who thinks he is now a god.

  • Bob Marshall

    Let us hope they never remove (To Protect And Serve from the sides of their cars).

  • http://AOL.COM FRENCHIE

    I COULD TELL YOU ABOUT 100 OR MORE STORIES ALONG THESE LINES THAT HAVE HAPPENED TO MYSELF & FRIENDS OF MINE HERE IN DAYTON, OHIO & THE STORIES GET WORSE THE FURTHER YOU GET INTO THE SUBURBS. IF YOU DON’T WEAR THE “REGULATION SUBURBAN UNIFORM” OF LOAFERS, KHAKI PANTS, & A BLUE SHIRT, STAY THE HELL OUT OF THE SUBURBS !!! GOD HELP YOU IF, LIKE ME, YOU WEAR LEVI’S, BLACK HARLEY SHIRTS, RIDING BOOTS, & HAVE ALMOST WAIST LENGTH HAIR, A BEARD & TATTOOS. THEY HATE REAL BIKERS IN THE ‘BURBS, I’M TELLIN’ YA. NOT THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO ANYTHING EXCEPT BEING THERE, YOU REALLY DON’T. LOUD PIPES REALLY MAKE THEIR BLOOD BOIL, TOO. IT DOESN’T SEEM TO MATTER TO THEM THAT IF THE COP KNEW ENOUGH ABOUT WHERE YOU WERE TO BE ABLE TO CHASE YOU DOWN TO WRITE A TICKET BECAUSE OF THE LOUD PIPES, THEN MAYBE THE “I DIDN’T SEE THE MOTORCYCLE, OFFICER” EXCUSE IS NULL & VOID WHEN THEY RUN YOUR [removed] OVER, OR OFF THE ROAD. ANYHOW, IT’S NOT A WHOLE LOT BETTER INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, EITHER. IT SEEMS THAT AGGRAVATED MINDING OF YOUR OWN BUSINESS IS AN OFFENSE IN ITSELF & IS, IN FACT, ENOUGH TO LAND YOU IN JAIL IF THE COP’S LOW ON TICKETS AND/OR ARRESTS THAT PARTICULAR WEEK. IT’S CLEVERLY DISGUISED AS “PUBLIC INTOXICATION”, EVEN IF YOU’RE STONE COLD SOBER OR “DISORDERLY CONDUCT” OUT IN THE ‘BURBS, EVEN IF YOU HAVEN’T DONE ANYTHING EVEN REMOTELY “DISORDERLY”. DON’T QUESTION THE COP’S REASONS FOR HASSLING YOU, EITHER…THAT’S A SURE FIRE TRIP TO JAIL FOR “CONTEMPT OF COP”. WHILE THAT’S NOT AN OFFICIAL CRIMINAL CHARGE, HUNDREDS ARE ARRESTED FOR IT MONTHLY HERE. INVARIABLY LEADING TO BEING FIRED FROM YOUR JOB (IF YOU WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO FIND ONE AROUND HERE IN THE 1st PLACE), BUT THAT DOESN’T MATTER WHEN THE JUDGE SLAPS THAT ENORMOUS FINE ON YOUR [removed]!!! WHO KNEW THAT GEORGE ORWELL WOULD HAVE BEEN SO CLOSE TO THE TRUTH ? YES KIDDIES, THE POLICE STATE HAS ARRIVED IN AMERICA. THE TRULY SICKENING THING ABOUT IT IS, WE ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN RIGHT UNDER OUR NOSES, WITHOUT ANY RESISTANCE TO IT WHAT-SO-EVER. WAS IT A SENSE OF COMPLACENCY ? FEAR OF GETTING IN TROUBLE FOR FIGHTING IT ? NOT WANTING TO DISRUPT OUR PERFECT LITTLE LIVES BY BEING ARRESTED, LOSING OUR JOBS & HOUSES, & BEING BRANDED A “TROUBLEMAKER” ? WELL, NOW WE SEE WHERE THAT LINE OF THINKING GOT US. YOU HAVE TO BREAK A FEW EGGS TO MAKE AN OMLETTE. UNFORTUNATELY FOR US, TOO MANY FEARED BECOMING A BROKEN EGG. CAN IT BE STOPPED ? MAYBE SO, BUT FIRST WE’LL HAVE TO LEAVE COMPLACENCY BEHIND & PREPARE FOR THE FIGHT OF OUR LIVES – EITHER IN THE VOTING BOOTH, OR IN THE STREETS !!! I’M PREPARED TO FIGHT EITHER WAY….ARE YOU ???

  • sb36695

    I have noticed this also. I am not sure if they want money for our cash-strapped departments, or we are being prepared for the police state, but I DON’T LIKE IT. I think I have finally convinced my husband there is a problem. As I told my son “NEVER GIVE UP YOUR 2nd AMENDMENT!”

  • Rod Roberts

    I used to live in Savannah, GA. and travel through Hinesville on the way to Waycross. On each side of town there used to be a large billboard with the governor’s picture on it saying “You are about to enter a speed trap, drive cautiously.” They had a one traffic light in town in the main intersection; it’s duration would allow 1 or maybe 2 could get through on the green; if you went through on the yellow, you would be stopped and issued a summons to court. Again you could not just pay a fine. Hinesville was notorious! Likewise if you exceeded the 25 mph speed limit you would likely be summoned again. The signs are probably long gone, but I see by your story the police force hasn’t changed.

  • DoctorBob

    Unfortunately, we are seeing more and more and more of these police excesses. I remember 50 years ago, when cops had some common sense and “people sense.” Today, they are well-trained robots, and they are most definitely NOT your friend. All of them are capable of turning on you like this. I had a Sheriff’s Deputy recently who stopped me because my license renewal sticker wasn’t on the correct side of the plate. (I know, I’m a huge criminal here.) And my calmly asking questions quickly escalated to him interpreting it as how I was “disobeying orders of a police order,” “disorderly conduct,” and “felony resisting arrest.” All because I asked him how the renewal sticker being on the “wrong” side of the plate invalidated the sticker? It quickly became apparent to me that I was dealing with an insane man wearing a badge and carrying a gun! I was fortunate that eventually his Captain displayed much better common sense, but what if this guy had shot me, tazered me, or his Captain had backed his actions? It could have ended up ruining my life. Cops have NO common sense these days, and their outrages pop up with alarming regularity on the news. Some of these rogue cops can literally destroy your life. We need to place new codified restrictions on cops before they turn into Gestapo agents. And they’re VERY close to that now.

  • craig

    When I was a kid in Georgia during the 60′s we never had a car with air conditioning. My brother and I would sit in the car with the windows cracked many a hot summer day waiting on our mother as she shopped. This was normal and many a friend did the same thing. The school buses had no air conditioning as 20 kids would sit and wait for the driver and other kids to load. With no water or air conditioning we all survived just fine. We never once had any “officer” come to our aide and certainly never our dogs. What has changed? Do officers now care about us and our pets? Hell no, it’s all about power and contol enabled by a corrupt government police state. Wake up America and say “HELL NO” to the tyrannical Thugs.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    However bad our law enforcement may seem to be though, I will take it over those in many, many foreign countries. Let me tell you about a wonderful incident I had in Canada. Im up there fishing, already having spent around 1000.00 of my tourist dollars into their economy. My friend and I stopped into this bar and ate supper, and drank a beer. Upon pulling out of the lot, I maybe was 20′ out of it, the police lights came on. He pulled me over and said I was speeding, which was impossible in 20′, and I wasnt even going 20 mph yet. He proceeds to pull out a wooden box, that appeared to be made by a 2nd grade child. It had numbers 1 to 9 hand painted very sloppily on it, with a popsicle stick nailed on it in the middle of the stick, so that it could be turned to point at any of the nine numbers. On the top was a piece of black hose, cut off, and just nailed onto this box. He informed me to blow into the hose. As I informed him that this hose didnt go anywhere, he said I shouldnt worry about it and to just blow into it. So as soon as I touched the hose to my mouth, he pulls it out, turns the popsicle stick to the “9″ number, and says that Im 1.9 and under arrest for drunk driving. I ask him “What kind of crap is that?”. He informs me, that Im in their country know and under their laws. So to make a long story short, over the next 12 hours, they move me into 3 different jails in 3 different cities, then I get it arranged to plead guilty to a judge to get back to my fishing trip, and they fine me 500 bucks, which I paid with a credit card that turned out to be only 383.00 American dollars at the time. Cheap DUI, but still, a crock of bull. At least here, I could challenge it and win hands down, as there is no way I was over the limit, or even approaching it. Then it cost another 60 bucks to get my vehicle back. Needless to say, Canada will never see another cent of my money, eh? Never again. Ill fish Wisconsin or Minnesota, but you idiots up north, have soured me to ever go there again, and I personally know at least 20 other people around here who have had similar bad tastes put in their mouth by Canadian law enforcement, and they arent going to spend their hard earned money up there anymore either. And If I know that many, Ill pretty much guarantee you that there are thousands in this country that feel the same way, so bon appetite you liberal Canadian basterds, live without our U.S. tourist bucks, because you blew it, eh?

    • Dan az

      All this time I thought you where joking!unbelievable that has got the top ten awards from me!

  • John Hanna

    Now he is banned from working for the government (school system, etc) due to his arrest. (He would say he wasn’t arrested and they would accuse him of lying on his application). It isn’t so bad for him but imagine if he were 18 and just fluffed it off as a bad day. You can bet it wouldn’t happen to any government employees’ kid and that is one way they are keeping the government jobs among themselves and they’re getting dumber and dumber.

  • Bert Cundle

    Welcome to the real america… I’ve been fighting the Criminal System of Government for 50 years. Trying to Civilize California Than U.S. Since my fighting started, more dumb laws have been inacted! But in my study of law… I found, the law is no stronger than the inforcement thereof. ( But: The “threat” of suffering still with us. ) The Constitution & Civil Rights; are pailed by the “Penal Code” (Criminal System.)

  • white tiger

    This is a cophaters’ version of an encounter with the police. In his twisted mind the “stereotypical police officer” is an amoral, moronic control freak. With that perspective functioning, he chooses to “Fail The Attitude Test”, tri4s to take control of the situation, puts the officer on the defensive, and wonders why he got scmucked and not schmoozed. Dumb.

    Here is how to do it:
    1.Smile at the nice policeman and ask how you can serve him today.
    2.Train your wife to delightedly observe that the nice policeman looks just like her dad.
    3.Listen carefully to the nice policeman and agree, nonverbally, with all he says.
    4.If some on-the-spot correction is ordered; DO IT!
    5. As you drive off, not arrested, not cited, thank the nice policeman for his kind help.
    6. And stop stereotyping; it is not, Jn.7.24, righteous judgment.

    PS: And you, sir, [removed]. You need to change.

    • Stefano

      “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!” Samuel Adams

      Since you’re clearly unable to cull this from the article: I was facing jail time for a non-crime; and the problem was not a jerk of a cop, it’s systemic.

      In the moment a policeman accuses you of a crime, your rights cease to exist. Innocent until proven guilty? No. 1st amendment? Gone. 22nd amendment? heck no. Freedom from unlawful search and seizure or Due process? Gone at the whim of some inbred who’s too stupid to make a living except on the backs of taxpayers.

      That the officers could not clearly define for me the crime I had committed proved that they were utterly ignorant of the law, and cared no a whit for it.

      When they come for you, perhaps you will see the error of your self-righteousness. Unless you are one, which explains everything.

      • Raymond

        Stefano says:
        June 23, 2011 at 11:10 am
        “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!” Samuel Adams

        Since you’re clearly unable to cull this from the article: I was facing jail time for a non-crime; and the problem was not a jerk of a cop, it’s systemic.

        In the moment a policeman accuses you of a crime, your rights cease to exist. Innocent until proven guilty? No. 1st amendment? Gone. 22nd amendment? heck no. Freedom from unlawful search and seizure or Due process? Gone at the whim of some inbred who’s too stupid to make a living except on the backs of taxpayers.

        That the officers could not clearly define for me the crime I had committed proved that they were utterly ignorant of the law, and cared no a whit for it.

        When they come for you, perhaps you will see the error of your self-righteousness. Unless you are one, which explains everything.
        ………………………………………………………………………..
        “I was facing jail time for a non-crime” is your mantra.
        Not a word about how wrong it was leaving an animal in
        a hot vehicle. What a scumbag. It’s people like you that is
        destroying America.(offensive insult removed).

        • Patty

          Raymond – Chill. You keep adding “facts” that are not known. No one said what the temperature was.

    • DaveH

      That is the Freedom-haters version of Stefano’s story.
      Sieg Heil!

    • Christin

      white tiger
      So fake it?…kiss butt and let them know you worship them, thus stroking their huge ego… when in fact they are super control freak idiots and are wasting your time… got it.

      So we have to be phony plastic people to survive a police pull over.

  • MFurphy

    I was attending Junior college right after high school pursuing an A.A.S. degree in law enforcement. To help pay for my college tuition, I was a college policman. Every weekend I would ride along with the city’s police to gain knowledge and experience. My friend, a former Marine, was old enough that he applied for and was hired as a police officer in the city. I thought he was a great officer. However, he was fired from the force because of an incident that happened while I was riding with him. The law states that if a policeman spots a drunk driver and does not pull him over, he is liable if an accident happens. Well we pulled over a drunk driver. My friend, after giving the tests, decided he was way too drunk to drive. He told the guy, “give me the keys to your truck, and tomorrow you can come down to the police station and pick them up”, but you cannot drive anymore tonight. The guy started cursing him and told him if he wasn’t wearing a gun, he would kick his [removed]. This is where my friend made his mistake. He took off his gunbelt and put it in the police car then walked up to the guy and told him that he was giving him a break by not arresting him and if he still wanted to kick his [removed], he was no longer wearing his gun belt. I was wearing mine and was ready just in case, even though he had been thoroughly patted down and had no weapons on him or in his truck. When confronted without my buddy wearing his police belt or sam brown as they are referred to, the guy backed down but still continued to threaten to whip my friend’s [removed]. My friend walked over to him and pulled the cap off the guys head, and slapped him in the face with it. Then he told him to start walking. The guy started walking home as it was a small town, I’m sure he didn’t have far to go. My buddy put his belt back on and we continued our patrol. The next day he was fired for hitting the guy in the face with the guys own cap. I thought he gave the guy a wonderful choice, walk home and get your keys from the police station the next day, or be arrested, jailed and have your license revoked. His mistake was losing his temper and hitting the guy in the face with a cap, and he didn’t hit him very hard, just hard enough to get his attention. My friend finished college but went back into the Marines. On the other hand while riding with different officers in the same city, I witnessed things that went way beyond what my friend did. We went to a bar fight and after getting things under control, I was walking a handcuffed guy to the squadcar. A city cop came up behind us and hit the guy so hard in the kidney’s, that the man pooped his pants. I also witnessed another cop that didn’t seat belt a guy we arrested in the car, but he was handcuffed. This officer would speed up real fast and then slam on his brakes so that the arrested man in the back would fall forward and hit his face on the cage that separates the back from the front. He did this numerous times. Another time, while riding with a different cop, we saw a suspicious vehicle parked in some bushes on the side of a road. We pulled up on the guy and his girlfriend and they were smoking pot. The officer searched the vehicle and found a BIG bag of pot in the rear of the vehicle. The officer let the guy go, took the pot and opened the trunk of the police cruiser and put the pot in a shopping bag and left in the cruisers trunk. After our tour was over, I was walking to my car in the parking lot and saw the officer that had seized the pot, carrying the exact same brown bag he had put the pot in, get in his private vehicle and drive off. I had had enough, especially after they fired my friend for being too aggressive as they put it. The police chief was a good friend of my dad’s, and I went to him and told him what I had witnessed during my ride alongs. He told me he would look into it and I believed him. The next weekend, there was no opening for me to go on a ride a long. Same the week after that and the week after that and any other time I tried to go. So I know they were protecting each other from me, the whistle blower. After college, I decided I wanted to see the world before settling down in one place until retirement and I joined the Marines. Lo and Behold, I ran into my old buddy that had been fired. Talk about a small world. He was doing well back in the Marine Corps and it was funny that we both had decided to become Marines. However negative this story portrayed the cops in this particular city, I respect all policemen and am grateful for these brave men and women that put their lives on the line for us everyday.

    • Patty

      I bet you would have made a terrific cop. I liked your stories. My Ex husband cop got a drunk that was really biligerant and tried to accost him. When they got back to “the shops” to wait for transport he handcuffed him to the pipes running along the ceiling and started doing his paperwork, all the while this guy was cussing him out. Then he got quiet. Then he said nicely to him, Occifer, can I go to the bathroom?” Sure. He went back to his paperwork. The guy couldn’t hold it any longer and peed his pants.

  • cerebus23

    I just think back to high school and all the kids that said they wanted to be cops. Every last one of them were the kids running around drinking, smoking, drag racing etc. They would say cant wait to have a badge and gun so i can ruin the kids fun, or something to that effect.

    And most every cop i have met in my life has be cut from that cloth.

    Then i think back to my college days where if you knew the son of cop or few they could find you any drug you could ever want in town. And were some of the hardest partiers you would run across.

    But blaming obama for all this common now, cops have been like this ever since you gave some dude a weapon and some kind of uniform and told them they had power over people. Hell look at most of your politicians they do not necessarily have to be armed to abuse their power, shirk their real responsibilties, and think they are above the law, it happens with pretty much each and every human that gains some kind of power.

    Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    It was the bush admin that passed the patriot act anyway. far as i know obama has not changed local laws, state laws, or law enforcement hiring practices to make sure every cop hired is a jerk.

    The we got the near poster boy for overbearing super jerk cops sheriff joe in az. To be fair tho az ia a mess, prisons are overrun with illegals and drugs, murders are off the charts in parts of az, and parts of az are also the kidnap capitol of the world so yea az is a bloody mess.

    SO you can almost forgive them for electing a sheriff that thinks treating prisoners like cattle is aok, that thinks cops are soldiers and not there to protect and serve. az is at war and has been at war for a long time so they elected a guy that fits that bill.

    And yea this is the same thing minorities been talking about for decades, driving while black, driving while hispanic, walking in the wrong neighborhood at the wrong time of day for your skin color, just now as more and more whites are feeling squeezed, as your rights get more more more trampled on by the feds and the courts. BUt in past decades if your were black or latino you were far far more likely to have first hand experiences with cops profiling, farbricating evidence, lying, brutality, etc, and if you ever been interrogated by a bad cop or cops, you know all they are about is the powertrip.

    There is nothing new in any of this, there is nothing that is happening now that has not happened under other presidents. And lets be clear here both parties have put people in the supreme court that seem determined to eliminate any rights and obsticles to the communist state we are in a death spiral toward.

    When people talk about appointing justices yes it is extremely important, Especially in this day and age when leftist judges have more than a passing inclination to just create law from the bench, and have a distinct belief that the constitution is something to wipe their ass with. So yes judges are more important now days than ever.

    But we get what the american people wanted when they voted for clintion, then bush, then obama, 3 liberal administrations back to back, ok clinton pulled a u turn and pretty much governed like moderate, but his foreign policy was a joke. bush was better in fp but still some pretty head scratching moronic decisions along the way, and on domestic bush never met a big spending bill he did not like, and bush never would bat an eye when you tell him the government needs more power. and now we got obama a guy that says government is the solution to all our problems?

    How can any thinking human being not laugh when anyone has the collosal balls to say anything along the lines of goverment can solve all our problems……since what has the government ever had a hand in that worked out great? well we used to have the postal service, but they going broke now and either way they are one of the more independent run govt offices.

    SO no there is not much that you can look at and say with any straight face gee that project came in on or under budget and works like a dream to solve our problems, and if you know where to look to an find quite a few that have broke the back of this nation and are running your grandchildrens future into the ground, and several that have collapsed the global economy.

    Yes government is the solution to all our problems, maybe destroying government would be the solution to all our problems, but noone should be allowed in this day and age to get away with uttering those words ever and not be called out on the carpet by every voter, news reporter, documentary, etc and not one of them did their jobs and were too busy kissing obamas [removed] to do their jobs.

  • Ron

    Georgia is a police state. I will not visit any place in Georgia for fear of the nazi law. I have had friends spend the night in jail because they “broke the law” and be fined with an excessive amount of money. One friend was pulled over just because the sheriff wanted to know where he was from. When I pass through Georgia I fill the gas tank in Tennessee and travel the interstate with the cruise control five miles below the speed limit. Georgia is not on my list of states to photograph any of their state parks. I am a professional photographer and sometimes pull off the road. I have police ask me what I was doing and then they left. I will not try that in Georgia. To dangerous, besides I want to keep my camera equipment. Georgia is a state to stay out of unless it is absolutely necessary. No days I go to Florida through Alabama.

  • samiam

    Is there a possibility for an
    FBI investigation in to this story?

    • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

      No, because he pleaded guilty and paid his fine like a good little cog.

      He didn’t contest the issue in court because he didn’t want to stay the night or spend money on a lawyer.

      That’s how much he loves this country, and how much he’s willing to sacrifice for his own liberty.

  • http://none Benedictus

    I have read a good many of these comments and agree with many, if not most, of them but I do have an issue with most of you ONLY blaming the liberal left, Democcrats, commies, socialists, etc and giving the Republicans/so called conservatives a free pass. To my mind, the Republicans and so called conservatives are not much different. The libs (i.e. Democrats) and the conserves (i.e. Republicans) remind me of the good cop/bad cop scenario where the Dems/libs are the good cop and the Repubs/conserves are the bad cop (and sometimes vice versa). In reality, they are both bad cops and both are trying to do the same thing-control you to the max and take your money and/or your freedoms and liberties away.
    In other words, I don’t really see any difference between the two, mostly, once you scratch the surface. We are still plunging headlong into a state controlled system, perhaps even world wide, where the average citizen is nothing but a commodity to used, abused and discarded at the state’s will.

    • DaveH

      Vote Libertarian. For real Freedom, not just lip-service.

  • http://none Benedictus

    Actually, what I meat to say at the end of my comments was that NO MATTER WHETHER WE HAVE THE DEMS/LIBS IN POWER OR THE REPUBS/CONSERVES IN POWER we are still plunging headlong into a state controlled system, perhaps even world wide, where the average citizen is nothing but a commodity to used, abused and discarded at the state’s will. Although admittedly, we do seem to move ahead in that direction more quickly when the Dem/libs are in charge.

    • Tom Anderson

      Dear Benedictus,

      You are VERY mistaken. I agree that both parties are complicit in the coming police/fascist state, but the GOP ALWAYS leads with the most damaging attacks at our liberty:

      1) Which party initiated and pushed the PATRIOT ACT – this is the SAME legislation (but in German) which Hitler pushed thru after the burning of the Reichstag – - – the DEMOS didn’t do it

      2) Nixon (GOP) created the greatest attack on our currency and US Dollar when he, unilaterally, took us off the GOLD standard. It wasn’t done by pinko commie DEMOS.

      And when the US military starts shipping you and your terrorist family off to Guantanomo to be tried as Ron Paul supporting terrorists, it will be the GOP who will be ram-rodding THAT – together with the CIA/MIC.

      It wasn’t local yocals who were driving the US Tanks which killed the women and children in WACO! It was pure-bred US SOldiers who turned their weapons on US Citizens. Obama Orders and THEY OBEY! Count on it! Our MILITARY always obeys their PREZ!

  • angela barbour

    Imagine if you were a man of color in the same situation. I am not a woman of color but …wow…I cannot imagine what would have happened had you been a man of color.

    • Raggs

      Absolutely nothing would have happened it he had been “A man of color”. or a mexican or a muslim…

      • karolyn

        Yeah, right, Raggs. Ask a black man how he would have been treated, especially in the south!

        • Raggs

          Only if he has some obama money.

        • Raggs

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOZ-Etb0k0Q

          There karo take a listen to your buddies.

          • Karolyn

            Hey, Raggs, I don’t feel like looking for it now, but I could give you a revealing link with Palin followers being interviewed. They may not be looking for money, but they sure sound pretty ignorant.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Thats the wierd thing. I hear the liberal news portray that the south is more racist, and I hear you, a liberal, say the same thing. But yet I have two old buddies of mine, who happen to have black skin, that moved south, each over 20 years ago, and they both tell me that they are treated much better as an African American person in the south than they ever were in the north. Huh. Go figure. You dont suppose the liberals were lying to us and still are lying, maybe trying to give the south a bad name since they vote on the right? You dont suppose they would try to do this for political gain now do you? No way, say it aint so.

          • libertytrain

            Living in the South for the last 25 years and I’ve noticed the same thing – far more racism in the North.

  • Tom Anderson

    Dear Mr. Mugnaini,

    Are you aware how democratic republics transition to police/fascist states? It is a very simple TWO step process – in Germany and Japan (both of which were full-blown democratic republics until their MICs took over) – - (why do I keep harping on this – BECAUSE this is the way our MIC is taking over our guvmint right NOW!!!)

    1) all local and state police/sheriff depts. are consolidated under a single FEDERAL authority (in Germany, all local police were put under the SS/Gestapo) THAT consolidation was justified by the burning of the Reichstag by the Commies ( 9/11 and the Moslems are the excuse our Guvmint is using to consolidate ALL local and State police powers)

    2) A separate judiciary which ONLY answers to the chief executive is established (again, in NAZI Germany, the justification was the “special” Commie threat – our Federal Guvmint is using the so-called Moslem threat).

    All you idiots who think that the so-called court system in Guantanomo is a good idea won’t think so when the Feds start hauling Ron Paul Terrorists to Guantanomo. The NAZIs played this same game to the horror of ordinary Germans.

    Thank God for Oath-Keepers! Our own Military will point their guns at us and round all of us Ron Paul terrorists into concentration camps.

    Why IGNORE – - Obama is CIA, his Mommy was CIA, His Daddy was flown from Africa to Hawaii by the CIA, he was conceived as a product of a sex-plaything operation between his Mommy and CIA-sponsored Daddy. What to you think he and his Mommy were doing in Pakistan? Buying carpets???

    Obama’s GrandMommy was VP of the Hawaii Bank which funneled funds to SE Asia CIA operations (Air America etc).

    Ignore Ike’s MIC statements and Gen Washington’s stern warning in his Presidential farewell address?? The CIA/MIC will be turned on us. Our ONLY hope will be the few honorable Oath-Keepers who love their country and constitution MORE than their pensions.

    Our NEXT president will have the blessing of the MIC or he won’t get elected. If Ron Paul gets anywhere close to real power he was suffer an unexpected “accident” a la JFK.

  • http://yahoo iwojimafan

    Remember when Hillary Clinton was always screaming about a Right Cabal taking over the country, what she was really doing was setting up the country for a LEFT WING CABAL TO TAKE OVER THE COUNTRY WITH THE HELP OF GEORGE SOROS. THESE PEOPLE ARE WHAT I CALL NEO NAZI SOCIALISTS LIARS. THEY PRACTICE WHAT HITLER SAID, IF YOU TELL A LIE LONG ENOUGH, YOU WILL GET ENOUGH BRAIN DEAD PEOPLE TO BELIEVE YOUR LIES. Apparently this little Neo Nazi so called cop is a follower of the Obama Regime. I say this from being a retired Police Officer.

  • JeffH

    I had an experience in the late 80′s in Berkley on Telegraph Avenue.
    I had a 4×4 pickup with a insulated camper shell. I had quickly stopped in front of a little shop I with my Gordon Setter. I left both windows 1/2 way down and my dog had access to the back through the back window where two side windows with screens and curtains and a vent were wide open. I also kept water in a bowl for him. It was about 80 degrees outside and cooler inside the shaded vehicle. I was in the store for about 10 minutes. When I came out, my dog was leashed to my door handle standing on the hot sidewalk with no water and a middle aged woman standing with him. She started to hammer me about being cruel to my dog. That did it. I took better care of my dog than I do for myself. I laid into her and then flagged a Berkely cop down who had heard the little rucus. I immediately explained to the cop about the situation, showed him the care I took to make sure my dog was not in any danger and asked him what type of a complaint, if any, I could file on the know it all busy body that opened my door and put my dog in danger. In the meantime the lady was going ballistic and when the cop asked her to calm down she continued on, Needless to say, there was a crowd gathered around. She was eventually cuffed and arressted, not for her crime against my dog and I, but for going ballistic on the cop.
    Several of the bystanders stood up for me, which I appreciated and the cop was cool…then again, it was Berkely and Telegraph Ave. close to the Cal campus.

    • Dan az

      Bro I could just see you now :) that was great!

      • JeffH

        Dan az, I’m a pretty laid back kinda guy and for the most part try to never let my emotions overrun my common sense. There are limits though. Where it comes to the cops, I’ll judge them as they judge me and respect them the same way. Each on an individual basis.

        I did have one run in in the late 70′s that landed me with an overnight stay in jail. It was an overzealous East Bay Regional Parks wannabee cop. Myself and a couple of friends were parked inside the park boundaries havin a few beers, outside of my vehicle, which was against park rules. The officer was a complete joke and was a former classmate of my buddy and had failed in his attempt to become a Richmond cop. He was a complete and rude [removed] and I told him so after he pulled everything out of my truck ,front and back, looking for the drugs that he new I was hiding…surprise! Nada, nothing…I laughed at him several times and he ended up arressting me…beause he could. One night in jail and later a $35 fine for consuming alcohol inside the park.

        • Dan az

          Jeff
          That was a good one.I have one but it takes up to much space and you know how I hate typing.But what I will say is that it took 12 yrs for them to change the law and found that I was right.No kidding I have a law on the books because of my stand for my rights against a crooked retired cop and his buddies.I too spent 3 days in the slammer and fought a felony conviction down to a misdemeanor but cost me 9 grand to do it.

          • JeffH

            Your baby picture is cute… :)

          • Dan az

            When I saw yours I couldn’t stop laughing because the first time I saw it you were ragging on smiley!lol!
            Mine is baby obumer in front of his kenya birth certificate thought it appropriate.

  • Karl

    I once bought a van, just before leaving for vacation. I was in Illinois, and the law stated that the temp tag had to be fastened to the lower right corner of the windshield, visible from the FRONT of the vehicle. Over a six week period, I drove through Iowa, South Dakota, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Texas, Arkansas and back to Illinois. During that trip, I was stopped twelve times by cops who saw no license plate and no registration sticker on the back of the van. When I explained about Illinois’ requirement, all of them had the same response: “Drive carefully and enjoy your vacation.” No ticket, no warning. Times have changed since the ’70s.

  • Stephen

    I find it funny how these political pigs ( Dems and Repubs) put us in these situations with all their greedy antics and now that the economy has collapsed ( and dont fool yourselves, it has) they come up with all these scams to raise money for the states, such as this Geotgia story. Why are we not going after the true terrorists, the ones who turned a blind eye to all these banking and wall street scams and hold them accountable. Why as AMERICANS did we not say enough is enough and you people will be put on trial for allowing hundreds of thousands AMERICANS to lose their houses and lying about WMD’s in Iraq. Why did’nt we, because we are good little sheeple and march to the tune that our leaders play for us. So allow me to say BAH,BAH, BAH, which means in sheeple talk ” Good Luck”.

    • Raggs

      Yeah isn’t it funny how the state is flat broke but yet if you drive 50 miles in one direction you will see 5-10 cops running up and down the roads just hoping for some prey.

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    It’s an unfortunate fact that every small town and even some state police depts. have their fair share of bullies. They were bullies in high school and seek police jobs as a way to legally continue their activities. They are protected by the police unions in keeping their jobs. Such people exist in all walks of life but thrive in any gvt. agency that is regulatory and gives them some power over their fellow citizens. These mental types would fit right in with the jack booted prison camp guards of the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. We seem them in the IRS and the EPA especially.

  • L. Butcher

    Cops tend to prey on their natural constituency… those who are inclined to support them.

    Maldonado is a disgrace to us Americans of Italian descent. One day this wise-guy punk hiding behind his badge will get his comeuppance. However, the judges, chiefs and patrolmen need to realize the moral hazard this creates as I too am reluctant to ever help a cop, even with family members on-the-job.

  • I’m the Tax Man

    Everybody should carry an IRS Form W-9 and ask every officer that crosses your path on “official business” to fill it out for your tax purposes. They want your money, and they want you to account for your money. Make them follow their own rules so you can do that for them.

  • Raymond

    EARLIER I POSTED SOMETHING THAT IS NOW MISSING.
    SO MUCH FOR FREE SPEECH, UNLESS “THEY” AGREE WITH YOU.

    • Vicki

      First. check again as it might be somewhere other that where you thought you put it. (Hunt for it using your name.) I notice you have made a LOT of comments on this thread.

      Second. Repost it. database errors do happen.

      Third. PersonalLiberty.com is NOT the government. They can censor anything they D**m well please. Your right to speak is not restricted at all. Their right to NOT associate with your speech is not restricted either. Same Amendment.

      • Raymond

        Vicki says:
        June 23, 2011 at 12:54 pm
        First. check again as it might be somewhere other that where you thought you put it. (Hunt for it using your name.) I notice you have made a LOT of comments on this thread.

        Second. Repost it. database errors do happen.

        Third. PersonalLiberty.com is NOT the government. They can censor anything they D**m well please. Your right to speak is not restricted at all. Their right to NOT associate with your speech is not restricted either. Same Amendment.
        ……………………………………………………………………………….

        Vicki,
        What the website administrators chose to delete says much about them.
        Enough said.

        • JeffH

          Would you like some cheese to compliment your whine?

          • Raggs

            Compliments of the taxpayer no doubt.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Next thing he will cry he is being disenfranchised, and demand reparations.

        • Vicki

          Raymond says:
          “Vicki,
          What the website administrators chose to delete says much about them.
          Enough said.”

          True indeed which is why I am here instead of the huffington post or daily kos. The admins here delete very little. They do seem to efficiently cleanup many ad hominem attacks.

    • JeffH

      Raymond, this is one of the free-est speech websites around. More than likely there was an error, either yours, the internet or the websites but I doubt that your comment was purposely deleted.

      S**T happens sometimes.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Raymond,

      I have checked with staff and in the spam filters and no post made by you has been deleted or caught by the filters. I notice you made many posts yesterday, so I cannot confirm which one you say is missing. However, feel free to post it again. If it follows our comment policy, it will appear. If a post you made is indeed missing, it must be chalked up to some type of glitch. For those I am not responsible.

      Ask yourself this: Is it logical to think that we would delete a post of yours and then leave up your subsequent posts complaining about said deletion if we were engaging in some sort of conspiracy to “censor” you?

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Patty

        Bob, for some reason I like it when you chime in on stuff.

      • Raymond

        Bob Livingston says:
        June 24, 2011 at 8:53 am
        Dear Raymond,

        As I explained earlier, I have checked with staff and in the filters and none of your posts have been deleted. If you believe that we “hide” facts about Obama, you obviously have not read much of what we write here. We print the truth, regardless of party affiliation. You write: “Anyone who protects such evil is NOT a Christian,
        regardless of his claims to be a minister.”

        I have not ever claimed to be a minister and I would suggest you don’t know me and are in no position to determine my state of “Christianity.”

        And one more thing: If you are unhappy with our site, you are free to leave and never come back. Your repeated false accusations are becoming tiresome. I suggest you move on to other subjects.

        Best wishes,
        Bob
        ………………………………………………………………………………..

        Bob,

        Item 1). I was not talking to you or about you.
        Please get your “facts” straight.
        Item 2). “State of Christianity?” No such thing.
        One either knows Jesus as Lord and Saviour
        or they don’t.
        Item 3). Repeated false accusations??? Not true.
        Item 4). I speak the truth, regardless of who it “offends.”
        And I will continue to do so.
        Item 5). Suggestion Bob Livingston:
        A). Look at WHO wrote the article
        B). Read said article.
        C). Read Proverbs 12:10 from the KJB, which is God’s preserved word.
        Item 6). A tree is known by its fruit.
        This is my last post on this matter.
        I hope you have a nice day. Raymond

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Do your self a favor Raymond, and get rid of your King James version of the Bible and get yourself an NIV, American Standard, or Message version, so that you may read it in the language form of english we actually speak today. Hereist is thoust advice I giveth ye to understandeth the word. Now that is the kind of writing the King James version has. Rather, isnt it easier to understand if it says here is advice given to you to understand the word? I would think yes, it is so.

  • Handyman

    Do you think that you live in the United States of America? and You a Citizen? To avoid problems with the Law or Law enforcement (Forced-Ment) you need to be an illegal alien, then you have rights (civil) not (Citizens rights). What Communist Country is this, that is evolving? without any respect for the citizens?

  • Raggs

    They have the technology to x-ray your house or your automobile while your in it without you even knowing.. Your phone tracks everywhere you go and everything that you say.. Unless you live under a rock you are being tracked 24-7.. The FBI just granted themselves more POWER over us by a warrantless search, this is only a matter of time ( year ) before the local Barney Fife will be able to conduct the same at ANY suspicion ie. a smell or sound now where does that sound fimiliar??… The TSA is going to conduct Random??? searches at any public event ( sports etc ) railway’s, subway’s and bus stations.

    Face it people… THIS IS A POLICE STATE!.. If you bump the system I’m sure they will find you in a FEMA camp.

  • Dan az

    By the looks of how long this one lasted seems to me everyone had a run in once in there lives.Thanks for the great topic!

  • Debra

    Stefano,
    You were in a WalMart parking lot– you need to get an attorney or PI and find out if this incident is on tape. This “officer” needs stopped or corrected as at some point this bullying abuse and victimization will likely escalate to physical violence, maybe toward a woman with children or grandchildren watching and subsequently seriously traumatized. His tendency to lie his way out of his nonprofessional behavior is another red flag. He should not be in law enforcement. We just had one of his type murder his ex-wife in a Sheetz parking lot in Roanoke, VA. Had someone only raised questions about this guy, a mom and valued member of the community would still be alive.
    We have similar situation in the little town of Buena Vista, VA. Stay out of there– cops who are desperate to raise money to pay for a city golf course boondoggle will stop anyone anywhere and harass for tickets, funds, etc. So far they have not crossed the legal line, but we are all watching them!

  • Raggs

    Isn’t a Wally world parking lot PRIVATE property?
    Local yokel barney fife was in the WRONG!

  • Marfa

    To Christin:

    You say there is a “Criminal Court” “”upgrade”” for minor car accidents/infractions – you are absolutley right! Our son 22 yr old at the time, fell asleep at the wheel and he was THE ONLY ONE on the road at the time. It was a four lane hwy, and he went towards the center and got caught up in the cables that divide the hwy lanes. It totaled his car. Well we thought he would be in traffic court – but …. NOOOOO- CRIMINAL COURT! He was in there with the pushers, murderers and so on! He is a Christian(has nothing to do with the accident he had at all, just stating who/what he is) and we were very scared for him! Both of ucs his mom and dad were there for him. I am not saying that he is a SAINT, He had his share of “‘tudes” when he was growing up but turned out to be a good kid! So why did he end up in Criminal Court as opposed to Traffic Court for only hurting his car and cables and NOBODY ELSE? WE paid for the cables and posts(14) to be repaired ($150.00 per post in NC)! This was a scary time for us when we found out that he was to be in Criminal Court! He was going back to college at the time and Thank GOD he had his accident where he did instead of having it while he ws going UP the Mountain back to ASU. He could have gone OFF the Mountain! As far as “Police States”…I do wish that people would USE the COMMON SENSE they are supposed to be given! OH! One time , our son was evidently going tooo fast in a small town near our small town . Well he pulled over to a parking lot and that parking lot had the concrete bars to keep you from going into the space ahead of your parking space. The cop car pulled behind him – so there was NOWHERE for our son to go with his car (he “could have gone over it and damaged his car but he didn’t want to do that!!!!) The cop stayed in his car and asked our son to bring his info with him to his car by way of the bull horn!(LAZY?) Anyway, our son got his info and was walking back to the police car with his info and another police car comes screaming up on the “other side” of the concrete barriers – 2 of them – and his car SKIDS to a stop – he gets out and opens his door and pulls his gun and aims it at our son – IN THE MEAN TIME – THE FIRST OFFICER SEES THIS AND DOES NOTHING – NOTHING – TO STOP THE SECOND POLICEMAN. Our son puts his hands up in the air and in fright drops his “info” all over the pavement (wonder they didn’t give him a ticket for littering!) The first officer finally tells “Harry” that all is ok! That second police officer COULD have shot our son! THAT is small town cops and bullying for you! I have more stories – that do not have our son in them – but there are numerous ones from the small towns all around us!

    • karolyn

      Did you complain to your police chief? Write a letter to the editor? Call the newspaper? Call the Attorney General? There’s a lot you can do.

      • Raggs

        Wouldn’t it be much easier to paint a target on your back?

      • Raggs

        Yeah we hear ya, complain to the mafia police department..
        I’m sure you can score some points there? Oh write a letter to the local city ran newspaper, sure just make sure they take your photo while you are handcuffed and off to jail for spitting on the sidewalk.

        • Karolyn

          As I’ve posted before, I live in a very rural area; however, despite the fact that I have heard of shenanigans going around here, the police seem to be pretty responsive and respectful. I wrote previously about how my coworker’s son was being harrassed by cops twice and the chief called them on the carpet.

    • Dan az

      marfa
      The DPS are like that here to.Sounds like you got one of the rookie cops that pulled me over for passing him doing 70 in a 75 then said it was my load pipes,I was in a honda and it was still running so I asked him to explain how they could be loud if your talking quitely to me over them.So he went over to see if the car was still running and gave me a ticket for a cracked windshield instead.Glad to hear that your kid is OK it sounds like he was on the 202.

    • Christin

      Marfa,
      Wow, another scary and abusive …overblown… story by the cops. I am so sorry you and your son had to go through that.

      Karolyn’s stupid advice to go to a liberal newspaper or call the government police chief is absurb… they would probably put a 24 hour watch on you.

      Did you read my story way above… just driving to pick my two children up at their Christian private school at 3 during broad day light with Christian music playing and grapes in the car for their snack and he wouldn’t even let me get my boys from school across the street, nor let me talk to anybody in the school. The cop even wanted to arrest my spouse who wasn’t even there!!! …Because he called the cop back on his cell phone to ask where he was taking me. The cop was very verbally abusive to me and my lawyer said he was a “d-ck he-d.” The cop almost killed me when he screeched his tires to stop and almost smashed into a small white truck stopped at a red light. The cop got out and scolded the truck driver, but it was the cop’s fault.

      It is good to know that other’s see that formerly considered “traffic violations’ are now ‘Criminal Offenses.’
      Drivers beware.

  • Marfa

    Karolyn
    With the small towns we have (pop less than 2000 per town) it would have disastrous for us to somplain. They would’ve followed our son everywhere! It was better to leave it alone, yesss I know-that is not what needs to be done but this was about 6 yrs ago…not now! NOW…you bet your sweet bippy I would be right up there – complaining my head off! As I SEE what is really happening to our country!

    • Karolyn

      Yeah, I guess it might have been different 6 years ago. I live in north central SC (Chesterfield Co.), right over the line. Around here the cops are pretty good, but I have heard stories of some counties in NC (like Anson) that are pretty scary. It just amazes me that there are still places that have stood still while the rest of the country has passed them by!

  • Marfa

    Complain….should have been complain…not somplain….typo!

  • http://Att Vette Man

    In the early 60′s I was stationed in Hinesville in the Army. The police were 10 times worse then. I was off post and found out I had blood poisoning in my arm and was driving back to post to go to the hospital with a buddy of mine when a Hinesville police officer stopped me and arrested my for drunk driving I told the officer I hadn’t drank anything but the officer said he could smell it on my breath. After siting me for drunk driving, too fast for conditions, almost hit a dog, driving without drivers license and then driving with revokes drivers licensed he let my buddy drive my car back to post and put me in jail. It didn’t matter that I could die at any time as the infection line had risen to under my arm pit. The one offense alone, drunk driving, would give you a $1000 fine and a year on the Georgia state chain gang. They would not release me to my outfit until I agreed to meet with the circuit Judge in the morning. If I insisted on a Jury trial it would take months and they would not release me until then making me Aol from the military. I had to agree and was then taken to the hospital where I was quarantined for over a week. Now the police had a warrant for my arrest for missing the court date and would not listen to why. I could have paid $1200.00 to the officer and he would have dropped the charges but they lied about dropping the charges. They keep the money for themselves. This is just one of many things done to soldiers when stationed their.
    I’d stay out of that state forever!

  • Marfa

    To Raggs

    You are correct….if I had gone to the Chief of Police…I would have painted a RED TARGET on our son’s back—-FOR SURE! And the newspaper…is nothing but a local gossip paper…so that would have been ridiculous for me to try that ! Like I said….town pops. around here…2,000 – 3,000 for each one around here! Biggest “town” is about 35 miles west of us…Winston-Salem , NC…so we ARE out in the sticks! We are in a rural area…foothills of the mountains of NC!

    • Raggs

      Thank you… I as well see it all of the time.

  • DaveH

    For those who would like to get a better understanding of how the Leaders took us far from the intent of the Constitution and far from Freedom, get a copy of this book and read it:
    http://mises.org/store/Hamiltons-Curse-P534.aspx

  • JD

    I know that having a working life leaves me out of the conversations here as most post mid morning , but I will say that having many officers in the family and been to several of their social gatherings that there is an attitude of us against them with many officers . Don’t get me wrong there are some good cops with common sense and integrity. It all boils down to the old joke ” Its a shame that 80% of ( insert catagory ie. Lawyers , Politicians , Used car Salesmen etc . ) give the rest a bad reputation “.

  • RightGunner

    Just remember, Congress is corrupt and sometimes the FBI outs them. Other times others in the FBI are caught modifying the evidence, so they can’t always be trusted. The State government often has corruption in places, if not all over, and the County government can be corrupt. You can look up Prince Georges County, MD sometime, which the FBI is dealing with top level county and some Maryland State corruption of Federal funds. Local government, city, borough, etc. can be full of corruption as you have found.

    Who do we turn to get rid of corruption? It seems the answer will be unique for each case found, and likely one will give up before trying. One thing that can be done though is publicize it as you have done, but you have carefully not called out the location specifically. Perhaps you could find the Wal Mart store number and write them a letter with your story in it, so that they can warn other customers.

  • http://yahoo.com Gus

    People, people, people…….a less than 20 minute response time to that incident means they had nothing better to do in that town and yes they were definitely looking to put some bucks in the counties treasuery. I spent more than 15 years as a law enforcement officer in the southwest. Southern lawmen, southeast especially, are a breed apart from the rest of us and we are a breed apart from the rest of the country. This Ga chucklehead needs some time off without pay, say 30 days, then retraining. If the officer’s report reflected the assault on him which didn’t(?) occur, then he filed a false report (misdemeanor in most states) and if he testified to such an incident, under oath, (felony in most states and justification for immediate termination and revocation of state L.E. certification in most states). This isn’t a common happening nationwide, as some would have you believe. It is a rarity, however, every department has its overly aggressive upstarts, which do create a bad image for L.E. officers nationwide. Where was his Smokey the Bear hat and his mirror finished sun glasses?

  • Raymond

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    • JC

      Exercise your right to choice dipstick.

    • Vicki

      Raymond. Quit whining. It’s their website. Go create your own if you don’t like their rules. Or go to the Daily KOS. Maybe they are nicer there.

    • JeffH

      Now then, gentlemen, remember your etiquette. Moe

      “Moe, Larry, the cheese! Moe, Larry, the cheese!” Curly Howard

      “A hot stake is better than a cold chop.” Curly Howard

      “Niagara Falls! Slowly I turn, step by step, inch by inch. I walked up to him, I smashed him like this, I hit him, I bopped him, I tore him to pieces, and then I knocked him down!” Moe, Larry and Abbott and Costello

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    • Jay

      Raymond, you are over- reacting. This site censors offensive language, words, they do not censor opinions, ideas or expressions of beliefs, wether religious or secular, nor political leanings, whatever your stripe. With respect to your post, it is probably nothing more then a technical issue. Stop shooting!

      • Raymond

        Jay says:
        June 24, 2011 at 5:41 am
        Raymond, you are over- reacting. This site censors offensive language, words, they do not censor opinions, ideas or expressions of beliefs, wether religious or secular, nor political leanings, whatever your stripe. With respect to your post, it is probably nothing more then a technical issue. Stop shooting!
        ………………………………………………………………………………………………. “This site censors offensive language”
        What language does “Personal Liberty Digest”
        consider “offense?”

        Answer: The Truth

        • libertytrain

          Raymond, you are being goofy. If you have read the hundreds of thousands of posts you’d have to come to a different conclusion.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Not so Raymond. I write the truth on every one of my posts, and some may be sick of hearing about my Jesus that I often infuse in my writing, but Ive never been sensored. Ive had the die hard liberals like eddie, smilee, eyeswideopen, denniso and others have their posts written and they arent sensored. So we have to ask, why, just why, are you being singled out? I dont really think it is so.

  • http://facebook.com MadeleineT

    This past Sunday I went out at midnihgt to get a pack of cigrettes from the all night walgreens, I go there late at nigh many times for cigarettes, milk that I need for the motning etc. it was 12 midnight and usually the place is crowded, this night it wasn’t but I paid for my ciggies and left, I pulled out of the little mall onto the main street, no one was out there it was Sunday and it was just getting over Fathers day so no one was out, I got to the corner, I saw no one behind me, I wen tthrough the light because it was green and the minute I got to the otherside lights started flashing in my rear view mirror, I thought it was an ambulance they were blinding so I pulled over and i noticed it was a cop car and there was a left turn lane going right into an all night McDonalds, so I pulled in forgetting about the flashing lights and the cop car, until I saw him go in with me, he let me park my car and I started walking towards the store, I thought I’d bring home a couple of lattes, completely oblivious to this cop until he leaped in front of me and yelled, like a foghorn, get back in the car, I said what? he yelled again, get back in the car and I said but.. and he yelled again even louder if thats possible , get back in the car and he started advancing towards me I sai dOK OK and I ran to the car with my hands up, I got into the car then he banged on my window, open your window, I was so scared by this time I was afraid to open it, LOL, it sounds funny now but it wasn’t at the time I think I was in shock, I have never heard anyone yell like that and I’m from Brooklyn so that should give you some idea, I rolled the window down and he proeeded to yell at me and what I did was very dangerous and give him my liscense and my bond card and my insurance, I did that, hands shaking , he said going through a red light is very dangerous, and who do I think I am and still yelling, I said I didnt’ go through a redlight, now I am not a prejudiced person but this was an African American cop, nice looking but nuts, he had no hat on and I had never seen him before, fake cops are popular now , I thought maybe he was a fake, he sounded insane, he said if you don’t believe me you can look at my car video, yeah right, I’m not going into any car with this cretin, so I said no, I’ll take your word for it, he said he would be right back he had to check my car and license,, I waited 15 minutes until he cmae back I was afraid to use my phone , he might think I had a gun or something, he came back and asked me where i was going when I got on the road, and I said home, I only lived 3 blocks away, so he wanted to know why I didnt’ stop when I saw the lights, I said I didnt’ know what he wanted , I thought he wanted to pass, also I see cop cars with their ights flashing all the time and they aren’t chasing anyone. He said I should know enough to stop when I see flashing lights in back of me, he can see I had no moving violations so he gave me a ticket for 120.00 and gave me instructions on how to go to safety school to expunge this from my record, which I did opt for, that came ot 146.00 for nothing as far as I was concerned, he said in all honesty , I have done exactly what you did more than once, it happens and I’m sorry if I upset you,I know I am very loud but it is effective. Now he srtarted to look like Harry Belafontet and he was charming, I just sat there, but I did manage to squeak out under my breath that the light was green, he said WHAT? but I’ll take your word for it and he left, I will never go out after 9pm again, I shook for two days, he thought I meant him bodily harm, I’m a 72 year old woman , I look pretty good but not that good,he was twice my size and I didnt’ have a pocket book or anything else in my hands,it was so bizzare, he was so bizzare. I’ve learned my lesson. stay home as much as possible, its a new bred of cops out there, I think they are all swat team members, they are not regular cops. Very scary, and expensive and I sitll dont’ think I went through a red light, and don’t they use sirens anymore? I’ve never been stopped before , I’m not a mind reader.

  • benrush

    Interesting that someone would feel that a gratuitous insult to a person’s religion is acceptable behavior. I would like to bring you a quote :

    There is no surer sign of decay in a country than to see the rites of religion held in contempt.
    Niccolo Machiavelli

    Perhaps it is due to the contempt for the rites of religion that we are seeing the descent into government totalitarianism.

    Another quote:

    The fact is that a man who wants to act virtuously in every way necessarily comes to grief among so many who are not virtuous.
    Niccolo Machiavelli

    “The Prince” is a handbook for the usurper. Maybe Sam Adams was not quite so daft, being the religious man he was when he said that our Constitution was drafted for the sake of the virtuous, and it applied in a country where virtuous people could be found, it would not hold up in a land of people who lacked virtue.

    I think it is a virtue to respect another man’s beliefs …. nuff said.

  • benrush

    The point is , are we self-governed, or do we need external controls.

    Responsible adults are self governed. Let’s not act like children and control each other with tasers and a body of regulations.

  • Me

    Most city police are county police wannabe’s. Most county police are state patrol wannabe’s. Most state patrol are military wannabe’s. I’ve said for years, the only good cop is a dead one, because they can’t cause any harm behind a badge. Now as for the Hinesville policeman? Don’t worry, one of those south georgia rednecks will catch him out of uniform and show him what the bottom side of a boot looks like.

  • American Citizen

    A year ago Christmas, we were on our way home from one of our daughter’s when we were stopped by a state cop for having an expired license plate. Another of our daughters was driving at the time; I couldn’t believe we didn’t have a current sticker on the plate. Apparently we had never received a notice in the mail to send for a new one, because I always sent it back immediately with a check. As soon as we receive the sticker, we always put it on the plate. Anyway, he wouldn’t even let us continue to couple of miles left to get to our house. We had to park the car in a country church parking lot, call a son-in-law to pick us up. The next day I mailed a check for a hundred dollars to the county courthouse for the ticket my daughter received, even though it wasn’t her car. Then I had to go to the BMV and got a license plate good for two years. All it all, it cost a couple of hundred. So check you license plate to see that it is current.

    • libertytrain

      I had that happen, but my tag and sticker were current. I’m a North Carolinian driving in Brookfield WI and some cop ran my plate, because perhaps it was from North Carolina. Pulls me over, me shaking as I’ve never been pulled over. Told me my plate was expired despite my 2012 sticker on the plate – He said it could have been stolen. I said No it was not. He ran it again, came back to the car and said, Sorry, I forgot to scroll to the second page as you need to do with North Carolina. I hadn’t done anything wrong and he let me go on my way, forever wary of Wisconsin cops.

  • Ernie

    A friend of mine who lived throuth the Communist takeover of his country, made a statement to me that I will never forget. He said,

    “Remember, Tyranny ALWAYS appears in a uniform”.

    We should be far more fearful of of our government (Local to Federal) than all of the criminals. Too many of us bought into the idea that we should “never talk religion or politics because it always leads to an argument”.

    We Better learn to argue!! While we Christians have been silent, evil (closely followed by tyranny) has gotten the upper hand. We Christians MUST speak out about religion and politics and begin changing the hearts of our friends and neighbors our country is finished.

    We MUST do more than talk among ourselves.

    Here are some things everyone can do for starters:

    (1) Ask your pastors to join the PULPIT INITIATIVE (www.speakupmovement.org/church/learnmore/Details/3882 )
    Most pastprs will be afraid, so talk to the elders and encourage them to push the pastor to join.

    (2) All of us send out checks every month to pay bills. Make copies of articles ( or write your own )….. buy Gospel tracts (a good source is http://www.LivingWaters.com)….. print up copies of Christian and/or conservative beb sites …..and stuff them in the envelopes along with every check we mail.

    Also, create a list of email addresses ….. including, but not limited to your friends (Build your list from the emails of people who spamed you, from business cards you pick up everywhere you go, etc.) and sent things to your list regularly.

    (3) Every time you leave your house take some of the items above and hand them to everyone …or leave them ticked in the pages of books (both “right” and “Left” leaning) at the book store or leave them on store shelves and bathroom sinks. Be creative, even if you are a wimp you can have an impact.

    “TO SIN BY SILENCE WHEN THEY SHOULD PROTEST MAKES COWARDS OUT OF MEN” – Abraham Lincoln

  • Marfa

    To JD

    You are right…there are police officers that give them a bad rap! My husband was in Viet Nam, so was my brother and I lost friends in Viet Nam…I was NOT of of those hippies that rebelled against Viet Nam!

    I had (since passed away) an uncle that was a police officer. I am NOT against Police officers….quite the contrary! I respct a good 90% of them and hope they do their job…the way it is “supposed” to be done! Whenever I see one, I always try to comment to them, that I respect them and thank them for their jobs, that they do! But like I said, out here in the “sticks”, that is very hard to do! It is more like a Bully Club than anything else! (I am originally from the DC area….so quite a difference in police there and down here in NC!) In our county, the Sheriff has been indicted….THE SHERIFF—not a deputy – for using funds the wrong way!(misappropriation of funds ) for his personal enjoyment! So you can “see” what “we the people” are up against! I am not against rules and regulations….just do it the way it is supposed to be done! I hope we get our Country back to the way it is supposed to be!

    • karolyn

      I have a friend who lives in the aforementioned NC county who says the only way they can get rid of their corrupt sheriff is for him to be assassinated.

  • jopa

    Wow. Now this site has gone from anti-American to I hate cops.How about some stories on the good things police have done for our country over the years.I have had run ins with police, treated them with respect and received it in return.It is sad when one negative incident tries to portray the whole criminal justice system as evil.Even watching Cops and shows like Caught on Tape maybe one in one hundred clips will show a negative police action.The way I figure it they are 99.9% positive.

    • Tom Anderson

      Dear Jopa,

      What planet are you on? Don’t try walking across a bridge unarmed in LA. The cops will shoot and kill you, plant a weapon on you, arrange with their commander to lie about the whole affair, have the state court throw all charges out.

      Three cops here raped my good friend’s 14 year old daughter (she was white too). They threatened him if he went to the DA (it is actually illegal to rape a 14 year old in this southern state) – he was dead within 48 hours. You need some of THAT! You live in la-la land.

      He is in the city cemetery and they are still on the force and promoted. No one cares! And YOU think that they are on OUR side?

      • karolyn

        Well, Tom, in your case, if enough people stood up to them, there would be change. It’s the same old story: bitch, bitch, bitch but do nothing to institute change!

      • cathy w

        i agree tom,yes this is going on and has been going on intexas and arkansas very prevelant ,the GOOD OL BOY system,
        so corrupt ,to the person who thinks we hate cops,think again,they hate us! 98% of them
        there are a few good ones left but so few it doesnt help,
        ive never been convicted of a misdeameaner or felony ,but trust me they will try to get you guilty when your not ,
        if you are a christain ,the devil aint too happy with you either,and hell will cause evil men to bother you ,if they are controlled by him and not GOD,THE DEVIL IS THE SOURCE OF ALL EVIL AND PERSECUTION,
        but remember “in this world you will have tribulation”
        BUT NOTHING CAN TOUCH US WITH OUT GODS PERMISSION ,OK

    • karolyn

      Just keep the hate building. That’s what they want to do. Pile it up until it reaches critical mass. Neativity draws more negativity ad infinitum and the same for positivity.

  • Shirley

    I have seen a growing trend of police using their “power” abusively. I think that we must stop our legislators from giving away our rights under the guise of the Patriot Act. It does not take many bully police or judges or teachers to cause the populace to no longer trust. Once trust is lost then rebellion rises and anarchy is not far behind.

    Our country seems to act as if there must be a law or rule for everything and then authority will not need to think or make a decision. I have witnessed the loss of common sense and respect for one another growing and growing. We need to stop filling up our prisons and start back to respecting one another. We each need to work harder at returning to our original principals.

    • Mike in MI

      Shirely – Unless we return to our Christian roots there is no hope that people will return to respecting one another as equals under God as His children – each equally loved, cherished and WORTHY of respect. Without that basis most men will see themselves as a cut above anybody who crosses his path – or crosses him…especially if he is allied to the “state”.

  • Andrea

    You got what you deserved Stephano. You cannot leave animals in the car and you should have kept your mouth shut. Maybe you would have learned something.

    • Good O’le American

      Really? Really?? Clearly Stefano made every effort to make his dogs comfortable for the small amount of time he was in the store. He asked a great question: To what amount of time away from his car did it become illegal. There is the letter of the law and spirit of the law at work in every community across America. What happened here went well beyond any crime that Stefano committed. People deserve to be treated fairly without maleficence. Asking a logical question does NOT warrant this kind of response. Do you agree with this? Or would you be to afraid to ask it? Why even be afraid in the first place? If it were me that was the animal control officer I would simply ask probing questions that would lead to finding out if the person had knowledge of the local law, educate them and if they were reasonable to simple chew the fat with them and let them go on their way. No harm no foul. But to call a cop and then have backup for some lie???? Really? I would have done what Stefano refused to do. I would have gathered witnesses and taken that cop to task. Between you and I this should not even be a story but these stories are happening to a whole lot of people around. And until it happens to you maybe you should be a bit kinder in your judgment of others lest you find yourself being tazed when you least expect it.

    • Jay

      Andrea, according to Stephano’s account of the incident he did nothing wrong that should have warranted that kind of over- the- top- reaction from the authorities! Yes, you can leave animals in the car, as long as they have access to food, water and ventilation. Stephano made sure all three were provided. Did you not read his article? Do you suffer from a learning disability, reading comprehension perhaps? As for keeping his mouth shut in order to learn something, as you stated, why don’t you take your good advice and apply it to yourself? BTW, does your foot taste good?

    • Raymond

      You’re 100% right.

  • michael

    that’s why when the cops are doing things like that even before anything has happened, people everywhere around that location should be making a video of the scene whether the scene is good or bad,and whether the lawbreaker is the police department or the person that is being questioned or in the poor guys predicament that it happened to, getting a shake down. always video, always, because the news loves to get hold of videos like that. the only thing as bad as a dirty copper is a crooked politician. and andrea is obviously related to the dirty stinkin’ cop.

    • Mike in MI

      Michael -
      Obviously, Andrea has made herself a listening point and a visual contact to the “AUTORITIES” – because people like Stephano “deserve”
      to be handled as enemies of the state.

  • Raymond

    Yesterday I posted some FACTS concerning Barack Obama,
    which are now gone. Telling the truth about Obama is
    considered “offensive” by Personal Liberty Digest.
    Anyone who protects such evil is NOT a Christian,
    regardless of his claims to be a minister.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Raymond,

      As I explained earlier, I have checked with staff and in the filters and none of your posts have been deleted. If you believe that we “hide” facts about Obama, you obviously have not read much of what we write here. We print the truth, regardless of party affiliation. You write: “Anyone who protects such evil is NOT a Christian,
      regardless of his claims to be a minister.”

      I have not ever claimed to be a minister and I would suggest you don’t know me and are in no position to determine my state of “Christianity.”

      And one more thing: If you are unhappy with our site, you are free to leave and never come back. Your repeated false accusations are becoming tiresome. I suggest you move on to other subjects.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

    • Jay

      Raymond, have you tried re-posting? Now you have me curious as to the information you were trying to share!

  • Raymond

    Apostate Christianity

    We are told in Revelation 3 of the 7 Churches. The last church or church age is symbolized by the Church of Laodicea. Laodicea means “the rights of the people.” Thus, this was a church governed by the will of the people, rather than the will of God. This is the church age from which the Antichrist and the False Prophet will emerge. It is the church age Paul talked about that would not endure sound doctrine, but would gather around them teachers that would say what their itching ears wanted and desired to hear (2 Tim 4:3). This church is described as lukewarm, indifferent, not concerned with right and wrong, or with good and evil. They take a neutral position: one of “live and let live; don’t rock the boat; and don’t cause waves.” They are trying to serve two masters—God and self (or the world).

    We will continue to monitor the church’s faithfulness to the teaching of the Word of God, realizing that the church of the last days will be marked by apostasy and a falling away. This does not mean that God is not moving and doing great things – but can we also identify the wolves in sheep’s clothing? “For false Christ’s and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the very elect”. (Mark 13:22).

  • Todd Kreigh

    It’s evident from these hundreds of posts there is an enormous percentage of people with negative views about law enforcement. Because of the negative opinions we’ve all formed from interactions with them.

    I would be remiss to say all my interactions with the police have been bad. I was a police explorer scout for 4 years in high school. My post advisor was one very good Bartlesville, Oklahoma police officer acted as a role model for me at a time I was getting into trouble with vandalism and petty crime. He helped turn me from that, and from getting into more serious trouble. He even went to bat for me when I was taken in for trespassing and vandalism, and talked the property owner into dropping the charges. So there are good officers out there. The problem is that there are so many bad ones.

    Something else we can glean – this opinion is pretty much politically independent; we all share a similar view regardless of political orientation, liberal or conservative.

    Another salient point: as bad as it is here, it is nothing compared to the level of abuse and corruption people suffer in many other countries. So thank God for that.

    In a just society, police officers would have the latitude to bust the heads of the real criminals, slap down the snot-nosed punks, and leave the law-abiding alone. The problem is, in this bullsh– politically correct age, police officers are either losing the ability to tell the difference, or – more likely – they’re being trained not to make the distinction.

  • Good O’le American

    Todd Kreigh – You are absolutely right. There are things to glean but people don’t move on good news they move on bad. When too many bad things are being reported it makes those that are called the sleeping dogs to wake up. I don’t know who the sleeping dogs are here but I can tell you that not long from now there are going to be a few sleeping dogs that are going to get pissed from their sleep and I for one want to be there when they do awake.

    I would to have hoped that we could just write a comment on this column and believe that the Government would read and say, Well, we quite a few of our Americans upset. Maybe we should not have done that. But Todd that is not what they do. They do things that piss you and I off for one reason and one reason only, and that is to have more power over the people. They forget that they are the Government of the people and for the people and by the people. To them we are the sheeple. They think we cannot manage our own affairs and need help because We the Sheeple are stupid and ignorant. The only thing they see when they see us Sheeple is dollars for their coffers and vacations.

    Yes I believe it is possible to get back to the days that made this country great Todd but it is going to take people like you and I to step up to the plate and get into community action groups to manage our communities with integrity and fairness. Otherwise we need to get into politics where common sense people can do common sense things to get us back.

    I enjoyed what you wrote Todd. Maybe you and I can both step up to the plate and make a difference. I am a bit fearful but am willing to try. God Bless this column and God Bless America.

  • Tom

    I wish I could say I’m am stunned at such behavoir of a police officer, but I cannot. As a former Police Officer myself, from the chicago area, years ago, I was denounced by some fellow officers for not being “tough enough.” Actually, that was never defined. I never had a problem which I couldn’t handle nor did I ever have a complaint lodged against me, which is less than I can say for those who pointed fingers.

    I left law enforcement in disgust and became a naval officer. Overall, my experience in my navy career was positive, however, having spent a year in Iraq I had a load of abusive behavoir by egotists who abused their rank incessantly and whose No. 1 priority was clearly their own careers.

    This is the problem. The left assumes, and wrongfully so, that some how working for the government makes one imune to selfish, egotistic behavior. NOT SO! I, for one, am appalled at the complete distain for people’s Constitutional Rights that I’ve witnessed by some fellow officers, both on the police force and in the military.

    This is why I am an NRA member and instructor, and cannot state strongly enough the need to protect our second amendment rights. NEVER, and I mean NEVER, buy into the gun registration argument. I can tell you with complete certainly that it IS nothing more than an attempt to identify the “potential problem” people in society that any would-be dictatorship would go after first. Registration has NEVER fought crime, but it has been used to go after people’s arms later on all over the globe. Registration is the necessary precursor to confiscation.

    As you can see herein, the state is already abusing people left and right over the most mundane issue. Just think of what the PROGRESSIVE LEFT could do with a completely unarmed population!

    This is not hyperbole. I’m dead serious. I am still working in the field of national defense, and while many of my peers are good loyal citizens who would not trounce on the Constitution, we also know there are plenty of those who would. And that’s basically because they are more worried about their own means of making a living than anything else — push come to shove, they’ll follow orders rather than stand back and refused illegal orders. Furthermore, most have never even read the Constitution, so they don’t know what is says anyways. Sad, but true.

    It wasn’t until after I retired from the Navy that is suddenly dawned on me that although our oath as officers was to uphold the Constitution and defend it against enemies, both foreign and domestic, we never read it as part of our officer training. I knew what the Constitution said, from when I was young, especially through Boy Scouts while earning my Citizenship in the Nation merit badge. So, I didn’t think about it. But I suddenly, and quite to my horror, in a discussion soon after retiring from the Navy came to realize we had never even discussed what the Constitution said at any time during my officer training. So my question was, how could an officer uphold the tenets of that document when they never read it?

    This is a question that all citizens ought to be asking. Why ISN’T it being taught? I can only hope the military academies do what the ROTC and Officer Candidate Schools have not.

  • ATV123CuzitRhymes

    Hello everyone,
    Its interesting reading all the posts from today’s How I Learned The Truth About The State…. I am a Christian, I am a Deputy Sheriff, and a Republican. My children attend a Christian School and I make it my will to attend Church unless Police Duty Calls. Hence, from a Ten Commandment perspective, I don’t always keep the Sabbath Holy. Surely, the Union based Police Force has its issues, mostly how promotions are made, duty is assigned, details we have to work, but know this, most of my run ins with “people” are for violations of some sort, I agree with the author, the use of a Taser or a Baton is a reaction to an escalation “towards” Deadly Force or some form close to that, we call it Time-Force Continuum (No we didn’t take that line from the movie “Back to the Future”) and this did not happen, the officer was over the line, duly noted when you say the Animal Control officer apologized, he witnessed it and all incident reports MUST contain as many witness accounts as possible. Its CYA in the Police industry. I don’t think that happened in this case, the copy covered up his mistake. I work with some very strong willed cops, Former Marines like myself, Narcotics officers who have seen the JUNK pumped out of 12 year olds, drunks, fights, blood and death you can’t possibly imagine. I can honestly say, I could hate people if I choose too, many times its scary to hear what people say about officers to our faces just because we wear a uniform. Once, After a thug kills a 6 yr old, its my job to protect him from being killed by the mob he stirred up by his actions. We get pounded for that, however would you refuse my protection, my willingness to risk it all for you, who just committed a crime, I think not, actually you would cling to me like glue, very few refuse the coverage. Do cops have bad attitudes, yes. Do we get bored with our jobs, yes. Do we fly off the handle get into trouble, yes. Unions were created to protect against human abuse in the trucking industry (example), and to protect you today. If a Teamster or a Police Officer works to many hours and then runs your family off the road becasue he should have been sleeping instead of driving, you would wish you had the union. Is a Union corrupt? Opinions are like butts, everyone has one. Excuses are a dime a dozen. Joseph said, if you have not sinned then you can cast the first stone. Live so you don’t have to cast stones. Instead of casting stones, support and Proclaim HIS Glory first. Because when He Comes Back or Calls you Home, Only those who believe in Jesus will go. I know I have faults as an Officer, we, including myself, can all say we do not get enough practice, training, exercise, hours, time-in, road hours, under cover hours, pay, and I mean those of you who don’t work in Law Enforcement too. We all know that something is not right in Our Country, we all have some opposing opinions, we all have excuses for not helping, preaching, teaching, being nice or forgiving one another. We all know these things. My question is “what are you going to do to change your way of acting, because I can only change myself, I can’t change you”. The thing is, you have to be willing to ask yourself this question every single day, lest you forget. Forces of evil are all around us, how we cling to and use the Good to remove the forces of evil is our everyday job. I try to remember the “Footprints in the Sand” story. That’s how I get along.

  • RetroMan

    This entire story must be made up.
    Usually its the dog who gets shot by the policeman.
    Besides; God spelled backwards is DOG.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    6-24-11

    Wiseladysays:

    Stefano, send or e-mail your copy to Irwin Jacobs, founder of Qualcom in San Diego, who donated $300,000,000 to the ACLU last year. The local newspaper, Union Tribune, made a big thing of it. Those who donate to causes, such as the ACLU, need to be informed on how their money negatively affects our lives. They live to be identified as,”Goody Doers”, but won’t take time to find out the way their money is spent against American citizens. You can get Qualcom’s address through the internet. The head quarters are in San Diego.

    All of us should be flooding his mail box. Tthis is comperable to cutting the cancer and hitting it on the head.

    You stood your ground but you should have asked for help from the ACLU for legal help, but in Georgia? You might not have received any help.

    Congradulations on your valid questioning!! I love your spirit. You would have been able to prove that those dogs suffered more in length of time because of your detainment which would proven that they,(policeman) was not concerned for the dogs but, “HIS Bite”! Get it?

    Suggestion: Send it to Fox News!

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    6-24-11

    Wiselady says:

    Forgive me, Folks, for my mistake in not writing properly a word in my last comment that should have been written: “would have proven that they, (policeman…) I dislike to particpate in dumb down education!

    Thanks for the inormation, Stefano. I shall remember NOt to go visit Georgia. Make sure you send this message to Fox News, the Georgia Governor and their State Legislature. I would include the City Mayor.

    Suggestion: pass the word that Georgia is not a safe place for a vacation because it is a Police State that will cost you money or jail time for a non-illegal action. Some states will give a warning and some basic rules to know about their state laws and welcome you because you are visiting.

    Folks, let’s help Stefano start the movement, I bet there will be wide suppport and he can start by writing to his Congressman and State Senator on what sorts of laws are being invented to raise, “mordidas”, (dog bites) as they do in Mexico. I shall do my duty by contactong the Jacobs of Qualcom.

    We have to hit these horrible state, “Out Laws”, from all levels, Charity, State and Congress. Forget the White House, I am willing to bet someone there, with a connection to the Animal Protection Agency, is orchestrating numerous ways to raise money for city and state levels and Obama. Wonder what their, “Bite”, amounts to?

  • Raymond

    A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
    Proverbs 12:10

  • Libertarian

    And yet another perfect example of the outrageous abuse of statutory law. Statutory laws are the building blocks of the police state. They do away with injury, damage, even any victim and give the state the power to declare anything it pleases a “crime” and set ANY fine and punishment it so desires, no matter how ludicrous, all in the interest of blind power and money. Nearly ALL of our legal system, legislators, law enforcement, media, etc, etc support this lunacy because they all have a hand in the till. It’s just a lame excuse to say that these laws “protect” society and anyone that believes that they do is a fool. These laws will not stop until every aspect of human existence is regulated and “taxed” with heavy fines and punishment.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    6-25-11

    Wiselady says:

    I thank you for saving me time. Your quote was superb.

    However, what would you suggest we do to overcome these obsticles” I bogged on this issue of, “police state”, but I don’t see it on the list along with all the faithful bloggers. My entry was contained information and ideas on how to become more pro-active and gave suggestions on how to overcome some of these problems we are experiencing. Did anyone read my Blog? Would love to know.

    Thanks

  • http://www.electrichman.info Harold L. Lamma II

    Stefano,

    Unfortunately we have a system in place that authorizes police stupidity and use of over excessive force. I commend you on your handling of the situation and extreme patience. We also have many cowardly citizens in this country that will do anything possible too make themselves look good at the expense of others. I would contend that society is gripped in the excuse of not living life to its fullest, and have an attitude of I’ll make everybody else’s life miserable because theirs is.

    I have seen countless times where the LAW; so to speak, has no accountability to anyone, including judges, and liars, “I mean lawyers”. These un-questionable maggots in our System have totally given justice a new name; “immunity from responsibility and accountability.”

    Keep up the great work your doing, and i promise you that God will bless you tremendously.And those that did you and your family harm, will attract into their lives, the proper punishment.

    God Bless!

  • LeRoy

    924 words of fluff and 40 words of insight.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I forgot, that I had another good run in with the law in Michigan. I was driving a box truck for my employer, and at the time we didnt have any stickers on it identifying our company. I was pulled over in Deerborn, Michigan. They told me I had to have stickers on the truck because I was a hire for pay driver. I informed them, that no, I was not for hire, that I was driving for my company, an electrical contractor, and I was picking up a part for one of our jobs, not hauling or delivering for someone else. Then I ask them as to what I did wrong to get pulled over. So they tell me I am driving a stolen truck. I laughed inside, know at the time I had been driving this same truck for almost 4 years. So I tell him that, no, its not stolen, and I ask to reach behind the seat and show him the DOT book with the registrations from the past 5 years that are in there, and all the vehicle inspection forms that shows it was our truck. So I give them to him, to which he asks me why when he runs the plate it comes up as stolen in Indiana. I tell him thats a good question, to check it again. So pretty soon Im on the phone with my boss, who is on the phone to the Indiana DOT, who is on the phone to the Michigan DOT, while one cop is wearing his flak jacket and marching back and forth 15 feet from my cab, giving me the stare like ” give me a reason to jack you up”. I mean the guy didnt take his eye off me as he paced back and forth like a caged animal. The other cop, is busy calling me a liar, that the truck is stolen, and like a little kid, as I say “No its not”, he says “yes it it”, and continues to yell it louder and louder. After 2 hours of this, I ask them If I can get out of this hot cab, with no AC, as it is summer and its 95 degree’s outside, so they let me out and I go over in the shade of the woods by the road and sit and wait. A total of a little over 3 hours later, it comes to bear that the cop didnt notice the plate they were saying was stolen, had the same number, but a TL on the end of it, meaning a trailer. What a joke. Finally, I was on my way. And despite saying everything was ironed out, they still tried to send us a 285.00 fine, that we ended up wrestling the Michigan DOT with for about 6 months to make it go away. Meanwhile, the muslims have taken over Deerborn, and their crime rate is sky high, but they have 3 hours to screw with me. Unbelievable.

  • Pemmom

    Before we turn this into an even more serious liberal bash, let’s not forget it was Dubya who put the Patriot Act into play, stripping everyone of rights. That’s a Republican, not a Dem. ‘kay?

  • The Other White Meat

    I’d sue the idiots for animal cruelty for making the animals wait during this travesty. AND PUBLICIZE IT !!!!!

  • Vic Vargaz

    Sure hope those two GA “police officers” (they sound more like juvenile delinquents) are able to remove their heads from this asses before they suffocate. They couldn’t come up with the statue in violation because they are illiterate and can’t count past two potato. GA is a state that is well defined by Newt Gingrich, an obvious result of in-breeding and where it is perfectly acceptable to wed one’s 14 year old cousin, but not leave YOUR OWN dog in YOUR OWN car, safely for a time? What is it about Americans that they can’t mind their own effin’ business? Tune in to another chapter of GA tales right from the source – on Jerry Springer.

  • http://www.BobbyFromer.com Bobby Fromer-Bonilla

    Wow – I don’t think I have any other words but Wow. I can bearly even say I understand how you must feel. I would like to say though, try not to judge all states or all officers based on this incredably stupid situation you were put in by these officers. Sadly we only hear these really bad and ugly and all to often way out of line “officers” but there are more good police/officers than bad. At least I pray to God that is ture. Also please try not to judge all the States in our country by this one. I think over all despite all the trouble and stupidity that does go on We are pretty luck to be Americans and live here as free as we do. I pray for the day that we could all live by the simple 2 rules that Christ said was all we needed in order to live and live at peace, and they are “Love God as your Father and do unto others as you would have them do unto you” it sounds all to simple but if you take a step back and think about it it is very simple. We don’t have to like everything our neighbor does or is. But we do have to love them just as we want to be loved. If only we could all do this what a wonderful world we would have. But we humans have so managed to complicate this thing called life is just is not funny anymore. Life does not have to be so complicated. Then cartoon in my head that gets me through the day sometimes is this: God and Jesus sitting up in heaven looking down on us, they are both shaking their heads saying “No no no, this is not what we meant…” and then God says “Why did I promise I wouldn’t flood it again?”

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