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How Far Will The Fires Spread?

August 15, 2011 by  

How Far Will The Fires Spread?

Last week, the U.K. burned. Several nights of rioting, looting and general mayhem began in a London neighborhood following the police shooting of a black man (who was armed with a blank pistol) and spread across the country.

Simultaneously, a quarter of a million people took to the streets of Tel Aviv, Israel, to protest the rising cost of living. CNBC reported the protests actually began a month previous when some people set up tents in an expensive part of town to protest rising property prices.

In Spain, Greece and Portugal, strikes, protests and rioting have occurred off and on for much of the spring and summer over government austerity measures and corruption.

Rising prices of consumer goods fueled demands for better pay and job protection by workers in the Philippines in May. Workers left their jobs and marched in the streets.

In China, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Bahrain, Algeria, Jordan, Morocco, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan, Iran, Lebanon and Kuwait, people have risen up in protests of varying degrees. Some of these led to a change in government, some fizzled out, some have been bought off and some have been quashed by violent repression.

While none of these protests are exactly alike and the spark that ignited them often came from different sources, they do have some common traits. Among them are the roiling economy, inflation, loss of liberties, class warfare and seemingly hopeless job prospects.

In Great Britain, Spain, Greece and Portugal, the protests demonstrate the failure of socialism.

Governments have run out of money, so they are cutting back on programs supporting the parasite class that developed off government largess. The crash of the economy has left many without jobs, and cutbacks in unemployment, food subsidies, housing subsidies, education subsidies, healthcare subsidies and the like are either being implemented or discussed.

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That’s not sitting well with the parasites who grew dependent on the nanny state and have seethed and simmered over the injustices — whether real or perceived — they have endured. They’ve heard the elected elites blame the rich for their troubles, so they’re lashing out at those they consider “rich.” It doesn’t matter to them that these “rich” people are their neighbors and they’re burning down their own neighborhoods. All that matters is the rich have “stuff” and the parasites want “stuff,” so smashing windows, looting, robbing and setting fires have become legitimate things for them to do.

Kids as young as 7 or 8 were photographed looting stores of everything from liquor to clothing to expensive electronics. Drunken teenage girls were questioned by journalists about why they were burning and looting their own neighborhoods, and they responded with the incomprehensible, “Because they are rich.”

May this be a foreshadowing of what’s coming to America? We certainly have some of the same conditions here: long-term high unemployment, politicians playing the class-warfare game, government corruption, rising prices, austerity measures, a culture of dependency and elected elites ignoring the will of the governed. All that’s lacking is the right spark.

The potential for that spark is certainly there. Already in cities across the country there are almost daily reports of flash mobs looting stores and robbing and beating innocent bystanders. At the Wisconsin State Fair in Milwaukee there was a violent incident on Aug. 5 of blacks attacking whites.

Wisconsin, of course, was the scene of protests over austerity measures that curtailed some of the bargaining rights of public sector unions. Again, the parasite class living off the sweat of the producers enjoyed benefits far exceeding those available in the private sector, and they didn’t like losing even a small percentage of their perquisites.

Meanwhile, the elites in Washington, D.C., continue to fiddle while the American economy burns. They failed to make any significant cuts in government spending and Standard & Poor’s downgraded America’s sovereign credit rating from AAA to AA+. The result: The stock market reacted by dropping more than 634 points in three days. And that’s on top of a 1,341 point drop while Congress and President Barack Obama dithered.

People are growing increasingly desperate. There are a growing number of reports of people stealing metal items of all sorts — from doors at construction sites to manhole covers to copper wire — as items for recycling in an effort to find the money to stay alive. States and municipalities are considering setting up tent cities to accommodate the growing number of homeless people… many of them driven out of their homes because they have lost their jobs and have found no prospects for meaningful employment.

The Obama Administration is considering using government-owned foreclosure properties as rental housing, but how will people pay the rent if there are no jobs? And how will companies — particularly small businesses, which are the backbone of the economy — add jobs if there is no one who can afford to buy their products and the government continues to stifle business expansion because of increasingly stringent regulations and uncertainty about what it might try to implement next?

I hope you have stored food and water, gold and silver, weapons and ammunition and non-hybrid seeds, as I have long advised. It’s looking more and more like you will need them sooner rather than later.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Bill Koehler

    Riots might come but remember the Brits are not allowed to defend themselves.

    • denniso

      Bob Livingston uses the term,’parasite class’…I wonder if he includes every man and woman who works in any military related job? The ‘largess’ in the defense industry dwarfs almost every other aspect of the budget. CEO’s of Lockheed,Boeing and thousands of suppliers of military products who make big money,motly because we are continually engaged in foreign adventures and dependent upon middle east oil that we spend billions a yr protecting.

      Maybe Bob means all the ‘parasite’ construction workers who build and maintain the very roads he drives to work,and that the bulk of our commerce is dependent on…or maybe the ‘parasites’ are the firemen and policemen/women who are willing to die to protect us and our property?

      • Hope For American

        Denniso, I think he means all the parasites who get something for nothing like the welfare moms, illegal immigrants, and the parasites in Congress who vote themselves raises whenever they want without working for those raises. The ‘parasites’ you’re referring to are working for their money and not getting free handouts. I’m sick of immigrant socialists coming to America and expecting to continue living in a socialist country with everything handed to them as free, free, free. Nothing is free because all those freebies come from the labor (blood, sweat, and tears) of the working stiffs. All the queens, kings, and emporers in this world are welfare recipients who haven’t done an honest day’s work in their lives. They transferred their insane thinking to the ‘poor’ but couldn’t give a damn about the poor. They did it to buy support and the more support they had the longer they could sit on their fat asses and continue taking from the working class. Those are the parasites who have transformed entire nations of people into brainless idiots of entitlements.

        • Big Red

          Beautifully said. I was thinking along those same lines. You nailed it.

          • denniso

            So a little old lady who has worked all her life,though at a low wage job, and only receives $700/mo in SS and needs food stamps or free food or housing to stay alive and not live under a bridge, is a ‘parasite’?? That’s the difference between so called conservatives and Dems…we aren’t willing to have people die on the street,and most ‘conservatives’ are. Of course people abuse the system,as they do w/ any program…how much waste,fraud,abuse and exorbitant salaries do you think exists in the half $trillion military industry?

            One thing most Americans,including Bob livingston,don’t understand is that no free market system has ever nor will ever employ all the people who need to work at a wage they can come close to living on. That’s a fact throughout history and is why most educated people accept that we need programs to keep us from returning to the 1800′s when many people lived like rats,even though they wanted to provide for their families. Modern,industrial society just doesn’t and can’t produce enough jobs for those who want to work…automation,high tech manufacturing,slave wage 3rd world countries,increased productivity, all combine to render that a fact…we just don’t need as many workers as we once did to keep society functioning. So we accept that we need to provide a somewhat decent life for all in order to ensure a stable society for all,even the rich.

            The irony is that many of the most vociferous people attacking those less fortunate and in gov’t programs are the very ones who are opposed to any sort of population control or incentives to lower population and the number of kids people have…sure, just keep producing millions of babies a yr and then complain that they are leeches and ‘parasites’.

          • Song

            And you Denniso are patently Dis-Honest.

          • eddie47d

            Did the truth hurt you Song? Tell us what was dishonest about it and explain your reasoning.

          • denniso

            He won’t tell us what is supposedly dishonest about my comment…he’s nothing but hot air…I’ve looked down through most of the comments and no one has addressed what I spoke to,just more name calling.

            If we want to call all people,rich and poor alike,who take
            taxpayer money that they don’t deserve parasites and leeches,then I’m fine w/ that…but the rightwing won’t include in the parasite class the oil industry leeches who get $4billion/yr in taxpayer subsidies,or the CEO’s of private prison companies who make millions/yr and then lobby the gov’t for tougher laws so they can fill their prisons w/ taxpayer funded prisoners,or the fatcats who get thousands or millions in ranching or farming subsidies from taxpayer’s money,or what about the ultra wealthy who get subsidized healthcare in the form of Medicare? Sure, by all means,let’s call all the leeches and parasites what they are,but don’t just go after the little people who use the system to their advantage,go after all of them.

          • paintbrushbright

            Red I will bet you a dollar to a doughnut hole that Denniso gets a unentitled entitlement check in the mail every month. They is way he is defending the word parisite.

          • denniso

            I’ll take your bet! You are new here so maybe you haven’t seen me repeat over and over,that I have been self employed most of my adult life and hired people and still work for myself,and have never received any gov’t help of any kind…no unemployment,no sunsidized insurance…unlike most of you rightwingers who have gotten some benefits or assistance in the form of health insurance paid mostly by an employer w/ a tax benefit for it,or unemployment compensation paid for by the gov’t,or working directly for the gov’t or for a company whose work is subsidized by the gov’t. I’ve found it’s mostly people who have had some degree of their career supported or paid directly by the gov’t to be the most ‘outraged’ and hypocritical about the issue.

            What about you? Who paid your salary,assuming that now you’re retired and on gov’t benefits?

        • Mirage

          Ooops, you left out the most prominant “parasitic” catagory of people who want (steal) the most from America for the least bit of work: the (allegedly) “best and brightest” people, educated in economics/business at this nation’s finest ivy-league colleges, i.e. Harvard, Yale, Princeton. For the one’s who call Wall Street and government home, collectively, they have stolen the most, and been the most destructive to America, more so than all poor for the last 100 years!
          Taken as a demographic, I find it interesting that the aforementioned white-collar thieves, are over 90% WHITE PEOPLE! I can admit this as a white guy, because at the end of the day, I don’t care where the truth leads me, and being an independent voter, I don’t have a “party” that has to appear the winner.

          • Jo Hatton

            More unrelated race baiting. The population of blacks in this country is around 12 – 15% so why wouldn’t the bulk of the financial sector employees be around 90 % white ? It’s simple math.

          • Mirage

            Apparently for you, the social equation is something beyond simple.

          • jibbs

            Jo Hatton says:
            August 15, 2011 at 11:06 am
            More unrelated race baiting. The population of blacks in this country is around 12 – 15% so why wouldn’t the bulk of the financial sector employees be around 90 % white ? It’s simple math.

            Whats your point? are you saying that you did not understand the post?

          • Iris

            Additionally, blacks are employed by all governments (city, state and Fed)in the 35%-40% range, well above their demographic %. So much for discrimination. The uneducated of any skin color are the highest unemployed.

            A parasite is something that attaches to a body and feeds off of it.

        • FreedomFighter

          Buy Gold Silver and lead, stored food and a good hand of five. I believe events are leading to something much larger, an event that will effect all. Some will think this scare-mongering, well Im not selling anything, and have nothing to gain here. I believe we are all being played by some really evil types.

          Some think events in both America and the world are quickly leading to a tipping point, leading to war, a kind of war never imagined unless you read the bible. Use of high tech weapons; robots, ground based lasers, ABL weapons, microwaves, scalar weapons, particle beams, and kinetic weapons with the hitting power of atomic weapons. Autonomous killing machines made in automated factories, programmed to kill, without hesitation, guilt, or remorse, they are fearless, tireless, soulless killers. Weapons such as lasers, microwave based weapons, particle beams, scalar weapons and rail guns that redefine warfare in ways that are both frightening and fascinating. These sci-tech weapons are most coveted by powerful nations because they don’t destroy and poison the earth like atomics, killing just the enemy not the earth, cause what’s the prize if the worlds dead.

          Just for fun, imagine Raptors with wide beam microwave weapons sweeping a battlefield with invisible death beams a ¼ mile wide, at 700 mph or more, killing everything not under 6 feet of soil, blasting entire enemy air squadrons out of the air in one shot. Now think of lasers, got power – never run out of ammo, range hundreds of miles, pinpoint accuracy, and able to burn thru the thickest armor. Robotic ABL or Air Born Lasers, these robotic flying assassins will give new meaning to “Death from Above”. Rail gun fired Kinetic bombs that can destroy the deepest hiding places, without radiation poisoning, no bunker will be safe from these weapons.

          Patents, research papers and other information indicate to some astute individuals, even more hideous and evil weapons now may exist; included in the arsenal;

          practical weather war, artificial earthquakes, mass mind control, GMO food to cause global famine, bio-engineered disease targeting a specific race, engineered pestilence, and genetically created horrors akin to chimeras – half human/half beast to create expendable super soldiers that can be churned out by the millions in genetic factories. If this sounds like a good Sci-Fi book to you, think again, many of these weapons are in development, available, in use, or testing now.

          Do you see a common theme in these weapons?

          The weapons don’t poison or destroy the earth; they just kill people in mass.

          The last generation feared an atomic world war that would destroy the earth, the current generation should fear not for destruction of the earth, but of humanity. Then again, don’t those New World Order types state that they want to eliminate 4/5ths of the people to create paradise here on earth? Damned convenient we now have the right weapons for the situation. Many don’t want to believe there are people in the world that want to reduce the world’s population by billions, I say open your eyes. In my humble opinion, people around the globe should be afraid, very afraid of the Lucy elite’s plans for humanity; it’s a Luciferian plan of mass death and enslavement.

          Could I be wrong, sure, could I be close to the truth, oh yea.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • http://www, John Hanna

            Did all of this just tick off the top of your head for a mere letter? Sounds like you know something.

            ‘practical weather war, artificial earthquakes, mass mind control, GMO food to cause global famine, bio-engineered disease targeting a specific race, engineered pestilence, and genetically created horrors akin to chimeras’

            Beyond the elite the idea of a massive culling seems inhuman in scope and therein lies the rub. I proposed an intervention and hope in my books ‘Hard Jack’, ‘Hard Jack Junior’ and ‘Hard Jack III’ sold as eBooks. Give me a good review eh?

          • Kate8

            FreedomFighter – Horrifying scenarios, huh? Yet, scriptures tell us that what is to come is worse than anything we’ve ever imagined. It’s mind-boggling how human beings can be so brutally evil, but history alone shows us that they can. And are.

            There is also a great deal of evidence that these same scenarios have played out many times before in human civilization cycles. The “myths” about chimeras and “gods” with the power to hurl thunderbolts…Perhahps they weren’t just myths, after all.

            The elite want the Earth for their personal playground, with only enough of us to do the work for them. But evil is…,well, evil, and even if we were gone they’d turn on each other. It’s what evil does.

            It seems that we are at the end of another major cosmic cycle and, one way or another, are scheduled for mass exodus from Earth. Evil can only be allowed to progress so far before being stopped. It is known that there have been civilizations that have inexplicably disappeared without a trace, leaving empty cities which show that they were highly advanced technologically. Man has not simply continued on as usual over the ages, but has risen and fallen and come and gone on a mass, global scale, leaving only a very small remnant each time to begin anew.

            Scripture tells us that, when we see these things coming about, not to be afraid, but to “look up! For your redemption draws near”. In many places it tells us that God’s people are “not appointed to wrath”, and that we should “pray that we will be found worthy to escape the wrath to come”.

            Personally, I feel that it’s well-past time to focus on the movement of the Holy Spirit within us, so that we might find hope and solace in the promises told to us.

          • Simian Pete

            Freedom Fighter,

            Infernal Weapons ! Totally cool dude !!!!!

            Sorry, Hi-Tech Weaponry ! That’s the ticket ! Hey FF have you ever taken a electronics or mechanical technology course ? It sounds like you might have. I was a low end clerk (office boy) for like 18 years before I got laid off – now I’m getting into math and technology as a hobby ! Hopefully I’ll get good enough to take some courses/ClEP test etc….. I think them super weapons are based on a mathematics called “quarternion algebra” like that scientist Maxwell used.

            I don’t know “quarternion algebra” … YET !!! But you could probably figure a defense against them infernal weapons if you knew it.

            Cool !!!!

          • paintbrushbright

            Lordy Lordy you have Al Gore fever!

        • jibbs

          HIGH FIVE! Very well said, work for a living or starve.

        • Old Henry

          Hope For American:

          EXACTLY! Great post!

        • Vagabond

          denniso wouldn’t understand the concept of the working men and women of this country and how they are sick and tired of the leaches sucking the life blood out of this country. the damned democrats just keep on buying votes with our hard earned tax dollars. maybe if denniso and others like him got off of their sorry asse’s and went to work they just might understand,

          • Lyle Kelley

            I just talked to a business owner last night who’s from Georgia and is now in Louisiana trying to find workers for work he has to do here. He said he can’t find anyone who wants to work. Everyone only wants a pay check but doesn’t want to work for it. I’m now 64 years old and have worked since I was 16. If I didn’t work I didn’t get a pay check. Where does a business find anyone who wants to work for a pay check. No work – no pay has always been the rule till now.

          • denniso

            Leeches,parasites,sucking the lifeblood out of the country? Why don’t you go wild and call names about the financial sector and Wall Street sucking several trillion $$ out of the country when the crash sank the stock market down to 6700? Is it because,even if some of them are crooks at least you think they work for their ill gotten gains and sacking of the country? Or is it that the regular people who take gov’t money when they don’t deserve it are an easier target,and don’t require any thinking on your part? Or maybe it’s that the rightwing is in bed w/ the very villains who sacked the country and caused the crash,so they are above any animosity or criticism? Speak, and inform us as to why you people appear to be such hypocrites…why you haven’t called for the hides of the bankers and financiers.

          • manuel a

            im just tired of everyone blameing the poor for takeing your taxes as you put it when every year you work for your money which i understand but when the following year comes around by april 15 th dont most of you get a tax refund when you filed for your taxes and got back more then likely they took out and then you all want to come on here and with the government and complain that the poor are getting a free ride. so i dont know how you all can say anything about the poor useing the system as you call it when you get your money back when you file your taxes so go figure i think you all are barking up the wrong tree and should be looking at the government and it policies why havent we heared about them takeing cuts to thier paycheck but they will to cut ours ect. why has no one said anything about that?

          • denniso

            It is amazing that the Republicans continually attack the poor and working class people,yet many working people still don’t see it and continue to vote for these liars.

        • TOM Johnson

          Right on Son Give Them HELL I AM With You, You Bet One Moore For A RED NECK!

        • Working Man

          My neice is a dental hygentist who works for a dentist who does only
          kids teeth. Every Wednesday is “Zoo Day” as they call it because the
          goverment picks up the tab for the kids whose parent…mom….can
          not afford to pay for their services because they are too “poor”.
          Amamzingly, these “poor” kids and mother usually come with their
          fancy, new electronic gizmo and poor ol’ mum has a fancy nail job.
          Of course, they usually complain that they service that they receive
          is 2nd rate, and they rarely say thank you. These are the parasites
          that want the nanny state to take care of them.
          May God pleas help this nation wake up and realize what is
          happening right before our eyes before it is too late!!

          • denniso

            You sound more like an idiot than a working man…you are seriously begrudging kids getting their teeth fixed when they otherwise can’t afford to? Jesus Christ would condemn you for such a callous and ignorant comment!And against kids because you don’t like their parents attitude…why don’t you get your sorry arse the hell out of this country and go to Somalia where kids get little or no help from anyone,least of all the gov’t. You make me want to gag.

        • Americanfirst

          Well said!

      • Song

        Really Denniso? Your ridiculous assumption about what Bob Livingston means about the “parasite class” automatically makes your name synonymous with DENSE, indoctrinated FOOL!

        • DaveH

          You’re being too kind, Song, calling Denniso “indoctrinated”. His role is not passive. He’s one of the Indoctrinaters.
          He is one of the people who knowingly is taking advantage of others.

          • http://deleted Claire

            DaveH–Personally I am beginning to the majority of Americans are indoctrinated. Indoctrinated to “believe” the preachings of both parties. Both parties want to rule–do you honestly think any of them actually care about what is happening to America or are they only “in it” for themselves and their party? I am no longer a follower. I find the roster of candidates to be sorely lacking. Have you ever heard of “showhorses” and “workhorses”? Which category do these candidates fit in? At this point in time I keep
            thinking “showhorses.”

          • Kate8

            Claire – I would agree with you except that, I believe, BOTH parties already rule.

            It’s a two-headed beast, and for we little people, it’s a heads they win, tails we lose proposition.

            Regardless of which party rules, the same agenda marches steadily forward, regardless of how they try to spin it.

            It’s time we stop allowing THEM, through the media, to control our elections.

            The media selects the candidates, the media tells us how we voted, and the media tells us whether they are doing a good job.

            Just where do we fit in? We pick up the tab, while they all stab us in the collective back.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Kate8–I agree. However, I will NOT promote either party-I will not post on this site and praise either party because in reality they are one and the same. Hence, I will not sing their praises, simply because I find too many instances of misdeeds, etc. amongst both parties. Simply put, I have no respect for any of them and their so-called “doing what is best for America.”

        • DurangoKid

          Hey Song, Denniso says the financial sector and Wall St. fat cats should be called out for gouging the country. I totally agree, but aren’t these the same people that your Savior Obama bin Lyin made sure he bailed out with billions? Denniso, crawl back under your slimy rock and don’t come back out!!

          • denniso

            America’s economy rests on Wall St and the banks…if they go down,you go down too. Obama castigated the financial sector for what they did,and the ‘conservatives’(hypocrites)then jumped all over him for attacking business. Now you fools attack him for saving the very core of American capitalism that is the lynchpin of our system…what a joke you know nothings are!

      • alex

        the people you named are parisites only to the democRats but they never mention the unions,welfare and all the useless that obummer has add to the govt. payroll

        • http://deleted Claire

          alex–Regarding your comment, this has been going on for decades. It isn’t going to change regardless of whom is in office.

      • JACK3889

        Whatb mideast oil do we get? Most of our oil comes from Canada and home. the bakken holds enough ton supply us 100 years.

      • bob throton

        denniso…obviously you do not or will not acknowledge the existance of the “parasite class”.. who abound in all corners of this country..and to compare military and EMS (i am one) to these ppl is an insult and is offensive.. perhaps you would like to cover the rent for one such parasite in one of my rental units …hasn’t paid in 5 mos… promises and no delivery…i hope to meet you in person as you defend these ppl who are PLUNDERING from their nieghbors…May Justice be swift!( and they choose YOU to STEAL from next time..your children don’t need it)

        • manuel a

          i thank you 4 your service and ect but most landlords ask out rageous prices for rent so we can buy the 200,000 or higher home across town so whats up with that the money most of us pay in rent depending on how long we rent from you would of paid for the house we rent from you 10 times if not more . so really you all are living off of the poor thats why they are poor look at the prices on everything and then you all act like they dont pay taxes i dont know how you get that one dont they buy things isnt everything they buy or get is taxed ya they might not pay payroll tax for working but they do get taxed every other way possiable and they cant file for taxes to get that money back as you all do when you file for your taxes and usally get more back then they took out so why hasnt anybody said any thing about that . i think you all should get off your high horses

          • rural dweller

            manuel a

            You have no idea what it takes to purchase and maintain
            a rental. Some can be a losing proposition when the
            tenant leaves and the landlord has to cleanup the mess.
            Sometimes, you lose money that year.
            If I were you, I would be thankful that there are those
            who are willing to take on this investment, so those like
            you can have a place to live. No one “owes” it to you.

      • professor

        Most of us understand what, “the parasite class,” means…

        You didn’t mention the parasites don’t work, but live off the labor of others. These are the people that are rioting in the streets. It is not the firemen or the policemen (can’t say school teachers because they DO riot when they don’t get what they want), that we have seen committing black-on-white crime, looting, and burning!

      • Capitalist at Birth

        The construction workers are employed by private construction companies that win the bidding process. They are not public employees who are parasites. Every last one of them!!!! He is probably referring to people like you.

      • DaveH

        The difference is whether or not they voted for those goods.
        I don’t fault anybody for taking what they’re offered. It’s the people who actively vote to take other peoples’ money that I fault.
        Read this to understand Denniso’s kind of people:

      • Laura

        2+2 is NOT 5

      • helen

        ~this is directed to the dip-stick who calls her/him/itself “denniso”: The ‘parasites’ referred to, as those amongst us who read beyond the third-grade level realize, are those lazy do-nothings lay-abouts whose main concerns are pro-creation and getting high. If they held the jobs you refer to they wouldn’t be ‘parasites’, now would they? — or it that beyond your comprehension?

      • Sarah

        First let me say that the Conservatives do not want the elderly and those who have worked all their live to be disregarded in any aspect. They have all paid into the system not just SS but Medicare and Medicaid too, I know I did payroll taxes! What you’re not understanding… parasites are the one’s who I see at the grocery store with four dirty kids in tow and they’re all done up with tattoo’s, pierced lips, pierced eyebrows and four or five piercings in their ears… They ignore their kids while they are paying for junkfood with foodstamps! Those are parasites… They know the more kids they spit out the more money they will get! I live in an area where I have seen it all my life and even have friends who have taken hand outs. I on the other hand worked a full time job and supported my daughter on my own.. No welfare, no foodstamps, no rent subsidy, and no heating assistance(believe me in gets pretty flipping cold here in the winter too)! My daughter is now 26 and a very hard working, productive and responsible adult who pays her own way and supports the system the parasites live off!

      • Erik

        Trolling again, I see.

      • CharInOhio

        He talks as if he means ALL PUBLIC WORKERS are parasites. I hate to tell him but, I was a public worker and its NOT all cake! I got ten bucks an hour, AFTER 10 YEARS OF SERVICE ! And yes, I worked for the money…. NOT $60 as some THINK! We paid DEARLY INTO ALL OUR BENEFITS AND PENSION TOO! It was not “Free” or tax payer supported as they ALLEDGE! The ones to watch are CONGRESS, there is no bargaining there, they just STEAL IT DIRECTLY FROM YOU and its called TAXES !

        NOT ALL public pensions are “broke” either….that is ANOTHER LIE….They want you to HATE ON ALL THE PUBLIC WORKERS TO PROVIDE “COVER” FOR THE ONES REALLY STEALING FROM YOU !!!!! DONT YOU SEE ? They are SCAPEGOATING !

      • Simian Pete


        Good post, dennisomeister !! I think Bob is talking about lazy ass people who don’t want to work at all. They just become parasites who VOTE benefits to themselves. It ruins the whole safety net argument, especially for people who are temporarily in need (as an exception) but who (as a rule) are productive ….

        • denniso

          Sure,like I said, there are lazy people who will abuse any system designed to help those who really need help,but that’s not most people,and it’s a relatively small part of the system. There are likewise greedy ass wealthy people who rip off the public in large crop/farming/grazing subsidies,and greedy ass CEO’s of military contracting companies who make millions in salary off of our tax money. My point is that the rightwing,and Bob Livingston in this case always point to the little people who rip off the system and always ignore the larger rip offs by the wealthy. They don’t do that accidentally,they are intentional in their attacks on little people using the gov’t assistance and diverting our attention away for their favored class of the wealthy. In other word,they are hypocrites.

      • Curley1932

        Take a second and look up the definition of parasite. The country now is populated by about 25% plus “parasites”! They think the government owes them a confortable lifestyle, mainly because they are third and fourth generation “parasite”! Either you are a fool or you are blind! I have worked for over sixty years. I am a disabled (purple heart)veteran and diagnosed with classic PTSD. I’ve worked and raised a family while not claiming anything from the government for over sixty years. Now, my injurys have caused me to retire and collect my VA benefits that I did not claim through those years. A parasite is the twenty plus year old, in the check out line, two or three kids, perfectly healthy looking and paying with food stamps. No husband in sight, of course. Or the person on government dole, living in government housing and shacked up with some person making hundreds of dollars a week, that they don’t bother to claim. I know!! I’ve watched it over and over again, as you can if you would get up off your liberal ass and use your brain. You, Sir, are what’s wrong with this country, besides the “wannabe dictator” sitting in the White House!
        God Bless the United States of America!!!!!

        • denniso

          Thanks for your military service. Now, have you ever seen other women shopping alone or w/ kids and no husband? You assume that someone in line is using food stamps and you assume that they don’t have a husband,when you don’t know the truth about either…and,is it OK for a middle class woman to be single w/ kids? Is it just the poor,or those you judge to be poor who have to be married if they have kids?

          What’s wrong w/ this country is that rightwingers like you jump to negative conclusions about people when you really don’t know what you’re talking about.

      • doc myers

        If Denniso doesn’t know to whom Bob is referring as parasites or can not delineate between those who actually serve their country by their labor and those who have grown up on the welfare plantation then his/her time should be spent in the real world. I want all parasites who are capable of working but unwilling to do so to get out of my pockets. This includes illegal aliens who have invaded my country. The majority of those who support such liberal, socialistic programs also eagerly believe in and accept Darwin’s theories on evolution and natural selection. So let’s just say that it is a matter of abiding by nature and weeding out the weak. Of course Denniso will probably assume I also mean the physically or mentally incapable people as well but then again he will believe what he only wants to believe.

        • denniso

          How old are you? 15? Ever since we stole most of the southwest from Mexico we have had workers coming across the border…that’s something like 150 yrs of people coming and going across…it’s not new,though it seems that you think it’s just ocurred as an ‘invasion’…

      • http://AOL LIsa

        You talk about the working poor and not being able to make a decent wage to live on and then retire on. There are poor in this country that would suffer without government assistance, but if you saw what the recent census describes as “poor” you might need to rethink your positions. Most of these “poor” have multiple TVs, cell phones, cars, game systems, etc. This is what the 2010 census found, so don’t take my word for it. I have worked with the “poor” and helped them with financial issues for the last 20 years, and I can honestly tell you that the reason most of them are poor is because they make very bad financial decisions over and over and over. The problem with our society is that most people want to live above their means and do. That is what leads to poverty. Most people would be fine if they lived at or below their income levels. No matter what that was. Bob’s reference to parasites has to do with those that take from the system without working, and expect the government to take care of them. They EXPECT it. You talk about the dems and conservatives, but you need to realize that the Democrats are guilty of being in bed with big business, Wall Street, and anyone else who has influence, money and power. You want to put them on a higher level than they belong. They are ALL corrupt and our for themselves just like the Republicans. Both sides are guilty. Please don’t believe that there is any compassionate motivation for the social programs that were put into place. They were enacted primarily for political reasons. Most of the elected politicians don’t give a rat’s behind about the poor and elderly, they just want their votes. Our government has enslaved the people dependent on it for their existence and has consigned them to poverty in the process. The problem now is that there is no money left to fund all of these “promises”. Even if you raised taxes on all wage earners and corporations there is simply not enough money to fund these programs. You go on about the poor, but they will be the first ones cut loose. The money from welfare comes from discretionary spending, and it will be the first to go. I could go on and on, but I can speak of these matters from personal and professional experience. I will say one last thing, if an elderly person is poor and can’t live on what they receive from SS it is the responsibility of their children to take care of them not the government’s. That applies to all those that are truly “poor”.

    • Vagabond

      thats right Bill. and obummer hillary and a hell of a lot of liberal IDIOTS are doing their damndest to disarm us. it ain gonna happen.another thig. there should have been SHOOT TO KILL orders issued. that would have stopped those STUPID IDIOTS real quick. if they want to go around destroying what other people have worked to get. then shoot the slimeballs. all of those who were arrested should be put on hard labor untill such time as they have payed for and replaced every thing that was dammaged pluss a minimum of one thousand dollars in restitution to the people ,

    • skip

      I agree that the 8 year olds have no excuse, nor does anyone have an excuse for looting for the fun of it, etc. But as Warren Buffett said today, the time has come to tax the very very wealthy to help provide the opportunities for those less fortunate but willing and anxious to work with meaningful jobs. Our infrastructure is shattered, we are falling to second nation status, and I don’t for the life of me see how the private sector is going to initiate fixing the bridges, the interstates, the potholes, the runways, and the like. Our police, our firemen, our teachers, our military, our NASA, our FAA, those who make sure our food isn’t shot through with salmonella and E Coli, etc. etc. are all government employees and their pay doesn’t come from the heavens and the trees – do you guys want to eliminate all of them? What do you want to pay for – tell us. What don’t you want to pay for – tell us. I firmly believe everyone should work, but the flip side is that that the jobs have to be there, and the private sector is currently sitting on trillions, and employing the Chinese and most of southeast Asia. And the super hi-tech stuff, which we can do here if we have enough of us educated to do it, is going to Germany and Sweden and Denmark and Switzerland, because they do have the educated people who can deal with it, they value their teachers, and they are prospering. We are dumbed down, we prize stupidity ala Jersey Shore, and we are not going to get out of this mess by carrying sidearms and shooting rioters. Put them to work, don’t let them live in Boehnervilles with no hope.

      • Big Mike

        Well then, let Warren Buffett put his money where his mouth is and send a check for $2 Billion to the IRS as a show of good faith.

      • rural dweller

        No increased taxes to the government until they
        cut their excess spending, duplicate spending
        and corrupt spending. Until they can get their
        house in order, they should not get any more
        money from anyone. They need to “prove” that
        they can live within a budget before they can
        raise anyones taxes.Period.

    • Diane

      Trumka’s AFL-CIO is planning one for Wall Street, I believe on 9/17, to dismantle the Tea Parties. THAT, will never happen! In the meantime, Obama & co. are working on the destruction of the 2nd Amendment to disarm the masses.

    • Doofus

      Well… wild Bill, think about this, there is a concerted movement headed by that whore Clinton to have Americans dis-armed and placed in FEMA camps if we don’t… does that sound like we can protect ourselves??????

  • Bill Scantlen

    I am ready!Water purifiers for sure, in my way of thinking no clean water is the surest way to bring “citizens” to their knees to obey.
    Following an FBI directive about what to watch for when buying certain items, I already own.

    Lock and Load!

  • Warrior

    Just the recipe for a good old fashion revolt by the anarchists and their “social” friends, more job killing regulations, higher taxes and devalue the currency. With only 14 months to go, how can the progressive’s assure destruction of the remainder of the private sector?

    • JeffH

      Warrior, you’re on to something her…with a bit more effort and prodding the Marxist/socialist/communist/progressive, SEIU, AFL-CIO, Jobs with Justice, ACORN, Tides Center, CAIR, Code Pink, Van Jones/Rebuild the Dream, NAACP, Humane Society, Center for American Progress, Media Matters, and the CPUSA(Communist Party) will have the “have not” rioting in the streets of America.

      • Kate8

        Exactly, JeffH. Riots don’t just spontaneously erupt. They have to be planned, incited, organized and given the “go”. That being the work of ACORN, SEIU and other community organizers.

        The PTB are seeing that these rioters are trained and set loose to wreak havoc and chaos, in order to fulfill their purpose of world government. Too bad we were all too complacent to notice this was coming so that we could have countered some of the socialist brainwashing of our youth.

        Information is still our best weapon. Some, like denniso, are too far gone to educate, but some can be awakened still.

        That failing…well, we just need to be prepared for any and all potentialities.

        • JeffH

          Kate8, me thinks we have a better idea now that we’re waking up to these scumbags and their methods.

  • Scarface

    We must be alert, the anarchy has already begun and will be at your doorstep soon…very soon. It’s happening in E.St. Louis; Chicago;
    Wisconsin State Fair; NYC; and these vermin will spread to white neighborhoods and Oprahbama and his minions will sit back and let it go on, for it suits their ends.

  • chucky

    I can predict the date when riots will start in American urban areas. The date is November 7th 2012 when president Barak Obama loses the election. I guarantee there will be riots in urban areas. there will be screams of racism when all there was was a failed administration with no clue on how to solve problems that are plaguing America. An Administration that promised change and an open government but only gave us backdoor dealing,czars,and business as usual in Washington. An Administration that has pointed fingers at everyone but themselves. An inmature administration that laughs at it’s failures in the face of a job waiting American public(I guess the hundreds of billions spent for shovel ready jobs,I guess the jobs weren’t shovel ready, everyone laughing, will never forget that image) When there is a run of the senate and presidency by the G.O.P. backed Tea Party, you will see the last gasp of progressive air in our great nation. God Bless America

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Virginia

      Obummer is only a puppet manipulated by George Soros! Soros said he would destroy the United States like he did the Bank of London and several small countries. He owns our media and journalism schools, funds ACORN,, 501 charity organizations that funnel monies into democrats coffers,Union thugs,etc. This is an organized sinister plot to overthrow the United States! There is nothing inmature about this gang of thugs in power!

      • Earl

        I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see that someone is gunning for George Soros. Someone out there will snap and do it eventually. You can only imagine what that will bring down on everyone’s head! Statements from Soros like that are pretty inflammatory……

      • http://deleted Claire

        Like I said, Obama has Soros, the Republicans/tea parties have the Koch Brothers. What the hell is the difference? There is no difference. They all have the same goal–rule the wolrd and keep the “people” humble.

        • http://deleted Claire

          Rule the WORLD!

  • maria joffe

    You start at fight, naw you pay .mj

    • Capitalist at Birth

      What is that supposed to mean?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        She means if a fight starts,it will be your fault. Typical response from Fabian Socialists/Communists/Progressives/Liberals/Leftists or whatever they are calling themselves today.

    • Peter D

      This is why the country is doomed.
      Comes her illegally-doesn’t pay a dime of tax, takes every handout, can’t write or read beyond 1st grade level but has an opinion about what we should do!
      get the F’ out of this country

  • http://AOL Darrell Champion

    What a fine mess our current administration has led us into. Bush got a flat tire, and now Obama has embarked on a cross-country trip on it…how far will it go? It’s over now, we are sitting on the side of the proverbial road, waiting for help that’s not coming. This president should be jailed for destroying our country, along with his gang of thieves and liars he calls an administration….what a terrible joke. If taking the WH down in flames is the only way to fix it, I say let’s go.

    • Mirage

      BUSH GOT A FLAT???!!!

      Hmmm … what conditions would have to happen for you to describe his 8 year debacle as something beyond a fender-bender????

      Perhaps I’m over-reacting – lets see what a flat tire looks like before we conclude:

      Two needless wars that sacrificed our troops for nothing, and are the largest contributors to our deficit.
      Quick strikes by elite forces, i.e. like those used in Bin Laden’s death, would have made more economic sense.

      A $700 billion dollar bail-out of Wall Street/Big Business (90% white people), and going against his political ideology. Apparently his Republican ideals were only appropriate for the rest of us … and only as long as his wealthy breathen were not busy blowing their collective big-toes off with bad business decisions.

      Declaring “Mission Accomplished” two years into the Iraq War.

      LYING TO THE WORLD about “weapons of mass destruction”, to manipulate the world into two needless wars.

      Declaring, at some point in his presidency when our intelligence had no clue where Bin Ladin was, that the latter was probably hiding in some cave somewhere, was irrelevent, and that he (Bush), “doesn’t spend all that much time thinking about B.L.”

      I could go on, but this flat tire has metastisized into hideouos carnage where all the occupants are d.o.a. because some leader was either drunk at the wheel, or just plain dumb!

      As far as you are concerned: perhaps if Bush had been a black Democrat, and Obama the white Republican, it would be Obama who had the flat?
      Obama is a weak leader and just another can-kicker-down-the-road guy, but lets be honest, the Republican’s number one agenda, according to Mitch McConnell, is to see that Obama is a one term president!
      In putting party first, above country, the Republicans are not going to vote for one single thing to paint our president in a positive light. Obama could walk on water, and it wouldn’t matter to the R’s.

      To conclude, I’m a white 2nd Amendment independent voter who HAS NO PARTY AFFILIATION – all 3 parties seem to be beyond repair, and Washington is probably, irreparably broken.
      Perhaps the only way out for middle america is through implosion, and then a rebirth. Sadly, as children of a country who trace it’s lineage through revolution, violence maybe required … riots it seems, at the very least(

      • jibbs

        Hmm, obama started two wars on his own, gave out more stimulus money, raised our debt by trillions in less than three years and wants more. Won’t cut spending, but wants to cut our SS that we paid into. Created shovel ready jobs that were not shovel ready, gave us czars, care’s nothing about Americans without jobs, goe’s on vaction when he is needed most(not really), wants illegals to have the freedom to come and go as they please and give them the right to vote.

        Imports more workers from abroad, while there are milloins of Americans without jobs, more than 40% on welfare, all done behind closed doors! Makes us import oil, when we have our own…and that would put thousands of American back to work.

        So Mirage, tell me what the illegal in the WH done for our country? Please name something he’s done that has helped. Tell me why I should work to give it to the government, who in turn waste’s it on people who choose not to work, or give it to countrys that hate us?

        The list of wasted money and usless governments jobs and Departments is endless.
        obama is like the Lone Ranger in one respect….WHO IS HE??

        • Mirage

          First of all 45 Caliber, you’re behaving like a dummy-round(a cartridge that has no powder): labeling Obama an illegal is letting your political, and perhaps racial hatred, get the best of you.
          The guy is an American, he produced a birth certificate, so get over it. Focus your hatred on something more justifiable.

          Now, my underlying contentions are, blame both Bush and Obama, all 3 political parties, and recognize the government has ceased to work for Main Street.
          The political systems/big business, want the little people to pick their sides to hate and feud over with one another, so that they can continue their crime spree.
          By warring over which political parties are honest/correct, we loose sight of the ball … the corruption of Washington.
          Hence, the reference to, just maybe, riots being needed to implement change.
          Lastly, I must regretfully acknowledge, that my opinions are just that … and everyone’s got one)

          • Howard

            Mirage you like drinking koolaide I see. Don’t you mean the fake adobe produced Birth Cirtificate he showed. If you believe that was a real copy of his BC then I have some ocean front property in Arizona that I will sell you.

          • independant thinker

            I wouldn’t worry too much about someone who doesn’t even know who she is responding to.

            “First of all 45 Caliber, you’re behaving like a dummy-round(a cartridge that has no powder):”

            first line of her reply to jibbs.

          • moonbeam

            Mirage, you may not know about the following:

            A document expert, Doug Vogt, has filed a 22 page criminal complaint with the FBI, charging that the birth certificate shown by Obama is a fraud and a fake.

            Interview with Doug Vogt

            Watch the video to see how it was done.

            First, obama wouldn’t show his bc because it didn’t exist. Then all of a sudden it shows up? It’s a fake pure and simple.

            He was not born here. His grandmother said he was born in Kenya because she was there.

            Another way to find the truth is if SOMEBODY has access to information of where his mother actually was on August 4, 1961. Was she here in the US or not? Inquiring minds want to know.

      • Peter D

        DUMB AS A ROCK

        HELLO— Mr. Lies You Can Believe In, QUADUPLED THE DEFICIT.
        Added 4 times the debt that he “Inherited” –LOL
        Where did the money go?
        Why to kickbacks, pork, more money for deadbeats and illegal’s.
        Some stimulus – the economy got worse!
        He added more debt added than ALL THE PREVIOUS presidents combined!
        By the way — where is OBUMA’s budget? Oh, that’s right, he doesn’t HAVE ONE! Better to let the repubs make a plan, then shoot it down!
        That’s MUCH better for the country!
        Unemployment at 8% when Bush left – Now it’s over 9%
        Gas – Why it was at $2.50 when Bush left
        Now – It’s $3.80!
        War- Who increased the war in Afghanistan? Why that would be OBUMA!
        Who invaded Libya? Why that would be OBUMA!

        Don’t let the facts get in your way of your rant!
        I got plenty of facts for you to digest for round 2!

      • Old Henry

        Well Mirage, as has been stated here previously, about the only difference between Bush and Little Barry Soetoro is Barry has bigger ears and a better tan.

        However, Bush was an American citezen and Constitutionally qualified.

      • Howard

        Typical talking point for the left following the bone headed Harry Reid. The last 8 years under President Bush. I will give you the fact that President Bush did sign in the $700 Billion dollar tarp. That was stupid but he thought it would help stop what the DEMS did to try and destroy our economy. Now back to the 8 years under President Bush. The first 6 years we were BOOMING even though we were attacked and then we were fighting in 2 wars. Then the takers kept drinking the Koolaide and like a flock of sheep voted in the Democrats that said they could get the price of gas back down to it’s normal price below $1.71 gallons because that was outrages. But the koolaide drinkers just don’t get it that dems, progressives, socialist, commies, liberals, or what ever the hell they call them selves nowadays, don’t like oil, coal or any thing that makes us selfreliant on our own resourses because because that would destroy their chance of a ONE WORLD ORDER which is what they have been working on for a number of years now. Just remember it was the last 2 years of Bush’s administration when the wheels came off and the economy and housing started to tank, and who was in control of the house & senate? DEMACRATS,Progressives,Liberals, or what ever the hell they call themselves.

        • Thinking About

          A little jealous, eh.

      • Earl

        Anyone who thinks Bush was a conservative hasn’t been paying attention. The whole Bush crime family has been involved in treasonous activity going back to WW2 and before…Hes A GLOBALIST NWO LACKEY, just like the rest. It just happens that Obama is WORSE by several magnitudes!

  • Al Sieber

    I’m ready also, I’m glad I don’t live in or near a major city. as Gerald Celente said “when people lose everything, they lose it”. riots coming to a city near you, this is just the beginning.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    We are at the point of no return now. Not in three months or a year. It is only the beginning. We have a large segment of the population that does not share our values and work ethic. I would estimate the percentage at: at least 40%. It will take at least twenty years to educate and inform that segment of the population to bring it down to 20%. We had better get started now, or it may be too late.

    • DaveH

      We could turn this economy around in no more than 2 years, if we got the Government out of our Marketplace, abolished the Federal Reserve, and created no new money that wasn’t backed by gold.
      The only way out of the mess that has been created by self-serving Big Government and their Crony Capitalists — Vote for Ron Paul.
      Vote Libertarian.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Although I agree with many of Ron Paul’s ideas, He does not have a chance of getting the Republican nomination, nor does have a chance to win the general election. I strongly recommend that you find another candidate to get behind. His foreign policy ideas are not realistic, and strange to say the least. Iran is the largest threat to world peace. He suggests we let them have a nuclear weapon and lift the sanctions. He made himself out to be a loon during the debates.

        • Stephan F.


          Sir: I strongly disagree with your assertions and I suggest & recommend you rethink your position.

          Ron Paul is his “own man” and is the only candidate who is — nobody owns Ron Paul. He’s the only candidate who is not a neocon in drag, meaning he is not supported and controlled by the military-industrial complex and pretends not to be (Gary Johnson notwithstanding). He is not a war-mongering zealot, which is exactly why the “establishment” in the Republican Party is trying so desperately to disparage him. Electing any of the other Bush clones just postpones a return to political & economic sanity.

          I find his foreign policies very sound, and like all policies Ron Paul espouses, are based on Constitutional principles. And you find that loony?

          Vote Ron Paul 2012

          • professor

            I am sick of hearing about Ron Paul! The problem is, he attracts “wackos,” that don’t know when to quit!

            Paul will not get the nomination, why waste your time and energy.

          • Bob Livingston

            Dear professor,

            If you are sick of hearing about Ron Paul then I would suggest this is not the forum for you. You will be reading a lot about him here as we work to elect him in 2012, even though we have this to overcome.

            Best wishes,

          • Old Henry

            Absolutely Stephan, absolutely.

          • Old Henry


            You sound like the nay-sayers of 1775…

        • Average Joe

          Capitalist at Birth,

          Sorry to disappoint you, but some of us will vote our conscience….rather than the “lesser of two evils” It is that kind of thinking (“voting for the lesser”) that has brought us to this point in our once great Republic….and I for one will discontinue the cycle. Maybe I will waste my vote (as you put it), but I will not compromise my values by voting for anyone that I do not stand behind 100%. So, regardless of how you feel, Ron Paul will be getting my vote….period! For those of you that say RP is unelectable…..guess what?….so is everyone else…if we don’t vote for them….It’s time to make a stand …time to “Rage against the machine”.
          Always remember, if you’re not part of the solution….then you are part of the problem!

          • Capitalist at Birth

            I suppose, like my neighbors who wrote in Ron Paul (the votes were not counted) in November of 2008, You will do likewise. When I told her that in effect she voted for Obama, she slapped me. It is a wasted voted that will insure the re-election of Obama. I voted for John Anderson in 1980 and Roger McBride in 1984. Since then I realized that it was a STUPID waste of time. Will you follow the same path and re-elect Obama? It is up to you. I suggest you think twice about it.

          • Average Joe

            Capitalist at Birth ,

            “Although I agree with many of Ron Paul’s ideas,”

            If, as you say….you agree with Ron Paul’s ideas….why wouldn’t you vote for him? (yes I know…”cuz he doesn’t stand a chance”) Again…no person can get elected to any office….if we don’t vote for them.

            You are still clingling to “meet the new boss….same as the old boss mentality”….I don’t care who “looks” presidential…
            I care about character…and so far Ron Paul is the only man I trust to keep his word and talk straight with the American people (he’s been doing it for 35 yrs). His record speaks for itself.
            If he doesn’t get the nomination from the GOP, I am not saying that I would not support anyone else…..In the meantime, I am concentrating my efforts on getting Dr. Paul nominated by the GOP. I vote my conscience….maybe you should find yours?
            If you do not wish to support Dr. Paul…that’s fine…don’t support him….but don’t try to discourage others from doing so just because “YOU” think that he is un-electable….some of us believe that he is electable and will rally behind him and try to make that happen……maybe it’s you …..that is throwing away your vote? Remember….Bachman only won the straw poll by less than 1%………

          • DaveH

            What is a stupid waste of time, Conservative, is to continue voting for the same people who have been complicit in the building of our Unconstitutional Leviathan Federal Government in the hopes that somehow things will get better by voting for the “lesser of two evils”. It hasn’t worked yet, and I doubt it ever will.
            As far as Iran having Nuclear weapons, do you have any idea at all how it makes our country look to throw a hissy fit about any other country having Nuclear weapons? We are the ONLY country that has ever actually used Nuclear weapons. And we have more than any other country in the world except Russia.
            Maybe you can go along, Conservative, with the United States looking like the biggest bunch of hypocrites in the world, but I can’t.
            The simple truth is that our military involvement in countries around the world, for the last 100 years, has NOT made us safer. It has impoverished our country, and it has made our country enemies that would not have otherwise been our enemies. And it has cost the lives of many good soldiers who honestly don’t know they AREN’T really fighting for our Freedom. If the conflicts were indeed for our benefit, the Government wouldn’t have to create False Flag events for virtually every conflict we’ve become involved in.

          • PeggyB

            The Media Problem

            The “conservative” (what the heck does that mean) media continues to be just as disingenuous as the “liberal” (mainstream) media. The agenda of both is to perpetuate the status quo. Those who call themselves “conservative” are no more Constitutional than those who call themselves “liberal”. They only differ in the kind of unconstitutional legislation they want the Federal government involved in.

            “Conservative” mouthpieces and publications claim to be for “smaller” government. But, of course, the only way to have smaller government is to have a Constitutional government. This means forcing the Federal government back into its Constitutional cage and restoring Sovereignty to the respective states and to the individuals therein as well as abolishing the unconstitutional Federal Reserve. Allowing any branch of the federal government to step outside its Constitutional boundaries “a little bit” is like being “a little bit” pregnant. That’s how we arrived at the place we find ourselves in today.

            Ron Paul is the only man in government today who has never been known to cast a vote against the Constitution. He has stood the test of time without ever having been bribed or bullied into a betrayal of the Constitution or the American people. The “conservative” media marginalized him in 2008 just as their “arch enemies” in the main stream media did and promoted the status quo candidates instead. This, of course, gave us Obama. We would not have been any better off had the Republican candidates won, and the actions of the “conservative” media merely revealed them to be the frauds that they are. While they pay lip service to the Constitution the reality is that they despise it. If they were actually for smaller (Constitutional) government they would encourage their many millions of listeners and readers to support the Constitutional candidate. This would virtually guarantee that Ron Paul would be on the ticket as the Republican candidate. The only reason Ron Paul “can’t win” is because the “conservative” media says he can’t and refuses to promote and support him. Unfortunately many mindless parrots believe this lie and continue to repeat it. These are the propagandized robots who will , yet again, cast their votes for another neo-con globalist who will continue destroying America because “he can win”.

            Both the Democrats and the Republicans are lost causes of corruption and betrayal, but Ron Paul is not. He is a Statesman and a Constitutionalist, and he may very well be the last chance this country will ever have to begin a recovery from the many years of the usurpation of our Constitution which is the only thing that ever stood between We The People and tyranny. That’s the same document that George W. Bush said was “nothing but a GD piece of paper.” This, of course, is of no importance to the bought and paid for media game players, both “Conservative” and “Liberal”, who have sold their souls and are committed to keeping Ron Paul from the Presidency at all costs. After all, he could be a real game changer couldn’t he? A Constitutionally limited government is the solution to all of the government created problems that plague our country today, and Ron Paul is the only Constitutional candidate for president this country has seen in over 100 years.

            The “conservative” media is far more dangerous than the “main stream” media because of the deceptive tactics they employ in pushing their millions of readers and listeners over the cliff and into tyranny right along with the liberals. It is time to kick all of these traitors to the curb and into the irrelevancy that they deserve. These who sell out their own countrymen are the lowest life forms on earth and should be treated as such.

            Ron Paul 2012

          • Old Henry

            Very well stated DaveH, as usual.

          • DaveH

            Thank you, Henry.

    • mark

      I agree we do have a segment of the population that does not share our values and work ethic. They are called the rich but they are only about 3% of our population not 40%. I don’t think we could ever reeducate the rich toward any sense of patriotism or concern for their fellow citizens or their country. They just want to ship jobs overseas for higher prices, pay no or low taxes, and keep profits overseas to avoid paying any corporate tax whatsoever. They love everything about America – except for Americans, who they despise, exploit and brilliantly manipulate into The Tea Party and other pro-rich organizations. Then the Koch brothers, Richard Mellon Scaife, etc., all laugh their way to the bank.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Virginia

        You are so misinformed! Why do you think jobs are leaving in droves? MAYBE because OUR government puts so many restrictions, regulations, etc., that they can’t afford to keep a business, much less hire more people! YOU seem to forget that nearly 50% of our people DO NOT pay taxes. I do not own a business, but I do know how capitalism works. THE POOR do not get jobs from the poor. If there were no rich there would be NO JOBS! Very simple economics! The rich and middle class pay all of the taxes. Obummer is trying to get rid of both. THEN he can become dictator of a socialist country. HIS GOAL!

        • mark

          This is an absolutely false and constantly parroted, right wing talking point. According to OMB stats in our current recession with very high unemployment rates and lots of part-time employment, 46% of AMERICANS DO NOT PAY ANY FEDERAL INCOME TAXES. (During good times it is usually about one third). These same working men and women, many of them minimum wage earners or slightly above, pay up to a quarter of their paychecks everyweek in payroll taxes (Social Security, Medicare, and workmen’s compensation deductions). They pay state taxes, sales, gasoline, utility, tobacco, and alcohol taxes. It is patently false to claim that these working people pay NO TAXES. BUT PEOPLE HEAR THIS LIE ON FOX AND TALK RADIO AND JUST REPEAT IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNTIL IN THEIR MINDS IT BECOME THE TRUTH. Millions of Americans have lost their jobs through no fault of their own in this Wall Street-created recession (Wall Street and the big banks, of course got bailed out in full for their monstrous destruction of our economy). How can the unemployed and underemployed pay FEDERAL INCOME TAXES? Their incomes are so low, they do not qualify under the tax code enacted by George W. Bush in his 2002 tax cut bill. Some of these people are only recieving $5-10,000 a year in unemployment benefits. According to the current code these indivuals who are barely getting by living on cereal and canned tuna fish, DON’T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FEDERAL INCOME TAXES. But they pay lots of other taxes.

          • professor

            Mark – You are coming directly from the radical talking points!

            Everyone should pay taxes…. sales tax at the grocery store or liquor store, is not the same thing as paying Federal Income Tax! You know that…so does everyone else. So, stop wasting your time.

            Federal Income Tax is paid by those that actually have jobs! The parasites don’t have jobs, but live off the labor of others. Low wage earners don’t pay income tax, either…. The IRS sends them checks for $10,000, instead of collecting from them, at tax time! That free money has been taken away from others. If the government is going to steal, it should steal “equally” from everyone that lives in the country, not just a chosen few!

          • independant thinker


            46% is almost 50% as stated above. I think most if not posters other than you understand the “nearly 50%” figure refers to federal and possible state INCOME taxes not sales, property, SS, etc taxes.

          • Song

            Mark you are the epitome of an indoctrinated fool and like Denniso, patently dishonest. How many “rich” people do you personally know? Where do you think many charitable organizations get there funding? It sure isn’t from the people with their hands out on welfare, now is it. Ever hear of the Hunstman Cancer Institutes, Shriner’s, Primary Children’s Hospital, St. Lukes? These are all institutions largely funded with money from those “rich” people that you and Denniso, and Eddie so love to demonize and castigate.

          • mark

            professor, People who are currently collecting unemployment benefits that they paid into for years and have lost their jobs through no fault of their own and in this Big Bank/Wall Street-induced recession (the bailout kings!) are not parasites. The parasites are the people at the top who pay no or very low taxes in proportion to their income and assets. They send jobs overseas to fatten their profits by hiring Asians and Latin Americans rather than fellow Americans, who will work for 2 dollars a day in some of these countries. These are YOUR HEROIC RICH WHOSE FEET YOU WORSHIP AT WHILE THEY TOSS YOU A FEW CRUMBS FOR YOUR SERVICES. The poor, the unemployed and the low-income working class, the parasites as you call them, in fact PAY THE HIGHEST TAX OF ALL, THEY SEND THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS TO FIGHT IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ, WHILE THE RICH AND MIDDLE CLASS IN THIS COUNTRY SEND THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS TO UNIVERSITIES. WHO AMONG THESE GROUPS ARE THE REAL, PATRIOTIC AMERICANS? I already know your response – The Koch Brothers. Lick their boots if you will. Maybe they will throw you and the Tea Party a few more crumbs.

          • Song

            Mark: You couldn’t be more wrong in your ignorance. Either you are very young and don’t have very much real, life experience or you are jaded beyond rational thought. Are you saying that the men and women that serve in the armed forces have no choice in their service? Are you saying that men and women that serve in the armed forces are all poor? Whatever the reason it is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. The fact is that nearly 50% of Americans DO NOT PAY TAXES and the poor that you have such a bleeding heart for get money back from the government, especially if they have children. The FACT is that they get back much more than they ever paid into the system if not more since many do not pay any taxes at all because their entire families are living on SSI, have subsidized housing, utilities, food and free health care all at the expense of the people that WORK! Again, who funds the charitable organizations in this country Mark? It ain’t the poor!

            As for unemployment, get your facts straight. It is obvious that you have never run a business and have very limited knowledge of the COST it takes to run a successful business. Case in point: Unemployment tax! The burden of that tax is placed squarely on the shoulder of the employer not the employee and quite frequently when an employee draws on un-employment the cost to fund that employee far exceeds anything that they ever contributed to the fund. Perhaps you should get some real life experience before commenting on issues you obviously do not know ANYTHING about.

          • Old Henry


            And those institutions you mentioned, and others, should be prosecuted for accepting stolen goods. Remember, the “rich” have stolen it from the “poor”!

            Can we get mark and denniso to define “rich” and to give us all some parameters for their conclusion?

            To an illegal Mex those 5K to 10K folks are rich.

          • Karolyn

            Song – You’re wrong on the charitable giving. Most charitable giving is done by the middle class. It may seem that the rich give more because there are a VERY few who give huge sums of money. Proportionately, it is the opposite. I learned this many years ago at a seminar.

          • eddie47d

            Old Henry; Possibly anyone making over $200-300 thousand and up. Then there is the astronomical rich making a million or more per year. Some of them made an honest buck and some didn’t earn a darn thing. Don’t you read about the CEOs who work for a company and within a year of “work” he retires with a billion dollars. Even executives who tank a company get paid lavishly. If it smells rotten I bet it is rotten. Livingston brings up the Wisconsin workers as parasites yet totally ignores the parasites in our business world.That is a much bigger problem.

          • denniso

            Rich is essentially anyone who has no problem meeting their basic needs w/ enough money left over to do mostly anything they care to do, and has plenty of assets that if cashed in would allow them to live a life of leisure w/ no work required…sure,some of the rich work do work,but it’s not a dire necessity…the actual amount of money required to be ‘rich’ varies w/ family size and where they live…NYC vs Austin MN,or no kids vs 6 kids. In most of the country,if an average family has a net,pretax income of $250,000 they are pretty well ‘rich’.

          • Jyrine

            It’s obvious markey, the only book you have ever read is RULED FOR RADICALS.

        • Old Henry


          “THE POOR do not get jobs from the poor.”

          That is a great bumper sticker / tee shirt! And dead on!

          We learned from the 1930s that a safety net is needed. However, we have allowed it to be turned into a hammock.

          • Karolyn

            Much of my work history is in working for the poor – small nonprofits my friends, and myself!

          • denniso

            His ‘qoute’ is the biggest lie pushed by the rightwing,that it’s only the rich who create jobs…dumb,and wrong! In almost any society it is all people who create jobs. A ‘poor’ person living in a substandard home still bought or rents the building,which contributes to someone’s job…a ‘poor’ person buys food,a car(even an old one counts),gasoline,clothing,refrigerator,furniture,medicene,on and on…all of which create jobs for people who build,make and sell those things.

            The Repub/rightwing lie speaks to the actual moral bankruptcy of their position,or shows their lack of ability to actual think through an issue like jobs…are they that stupid,or just devious in their overt support for their real master,the rich?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        I intend to be one of the “so called” rich. What are you going to do about it? I dare you and the other of you ilk, to try and steal my wealth. I will have my well paid body guards take care of the problem.

        • mark

          Once you become rich, it is YOU WHO WILL BE DOING THE STEALING! For a citation on this, I will quote an outside source, Jesus Christ: “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Matthew 19:25

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Twisting the Bible again when you haven’t read it.

          • jibbs

            You make a good fools fool. How about the people we have supported for years who WILL NOT WORK, but get a free check, housing, medical off our labor? I can name a personal friend who is that poster child…she has not worked in almost 20 years, but we pay for her housing, medical, food, college. She just finished her degree and has intention of using it to get a job.

            She also collects SS on her out of control 14 year old boy, who gets anything he wants and doe’s what he wants……eh, it that money well spent? She also like to “borrow” money with no intention of paying it back(it’s now a gift) not to mention she has a credit card that I’m guessing, WE pay for.

            I lived in Chicago for over 40 years, talk about wasted money givin for free to people who can work but refuse to get a job…..go cry to someone else, my fiddle is broken!
            And the rich and well off middle class should just give it away?
            Feel free to write a check!!

            P.S. Like J.G. Wentworth says…it’s my money, and I need it now!

          • mark

            Nadzieja Batki, I’m not twisting anything. I am just posting a direct word-for-word quote that you can find in Matthew 19:24-5.

          • independant thinker

            First, the “eye of the needle” Jesus refered to was a small door in the outer wall of cities that allowed one person to enter “after hours” or when the main gate of a city was closed for the night. It was possible for a camel to pass thru but it was difficult for him to do so. NOWHERE does Jesus say it is impossible for a rich man to go to Heaven.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So God has told you that he was stepping aside from his job and making you his substitute savior. You will determine who will be rich or poor and which of them will enter heaven.
            How delusional are you?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You reak of Envy.

        • jhhodges

          And you reek of manure.

      • Big Mike

        Yeah, go ahead and demonize “the rich.” The top 1% of earners pay 40% of the taxes in this country! The top 5% of earners pay well over half of the taxes (57%), and the top 10% pay a full TWO-THIRDS (67%) of the burden of supporting this country’s government! Without them, game over. Oh, and these are among the group of people commonly known as “employers.” They start and own businesses,, create jobs, and hire people. Have you ever gotten a job from a poor man?

        And speaking of “the poor,” the lowest 40% of earners pay NO federal income tax at all! Why should they care anything about taxes and spending? They’ve got no skin in the game!

        • Karolyn
          • DaveH

            You might love him more if he was donating his own money to the Government instead of advocating the taking of other peoples’ money.
            He could do that right now. He could donate $49 Billion to the Government, and still be a Billionaire. Why doesn’t he?

            Read this, Karolyn:

          • Karolyn

            Dave – Well, at least his heart is in the right place. I remember hearing about this several years ago. Read his giving pledge:

          • DaveH

            No, Karolyn, his heart is NOT in the right place. If his heart was in the right place, he would give his OWN money away, not other peoples’ money. And NOW, not after he’s dead.

            I realize, that being a Liberal, that concept is extremely hard for you to grasp.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Karolyn: It is simply a matter of “who” the wealthy want to donate their money to. Soros to the Democrats–Koch Brothers to the Republicans. There are quite a few wealthy people/corporations that give to the party of their choice. It is the same old game playing. And this will never change. I believe the two parties have nearly destroyed this country. I would like to see both parties done away with and simply vote for the person, not the party.

          • Jyrine

            Roger that Karolyn!!!

      • DaveH

        Pool your money, your “work ethic”, and your “values”, with your fellow Liberals and show us how it’s done. You guys are intelligent (at least you think so), so it should be no trouble to form your own companies and save society.
        For sure, there are Crony Capitalists who, through the force of Government, get special regulatory favors and other aid at the expense of their non-politically-connected competitors, the taxpayers, and the consumers. To end that we have to shrink Government and get it out of the Marketplace so people can compete fairly in a voluntary environment. But I don’t see you advocating for that Mark. Why is that? Why do you advocate for Obama and gang who just do the same as the Republicans, except they have a different bunch of Crony Capitalists such as GE, other alternative energy companies, and many more?
        The one thing that glares about you, Mark, is that you don’t have consistent principles.

        • DaveH

          I ran across this statement in “Lies the Government Told You” by Judge Andrew Napolitano. Everybody who has a weak understanding of economics and the relationship between Government and Business People can learn something from these very pertinent sentences:
          “Yet, all Professor [Murray] Rothbard was attempting to prove was that the capitalist economy can handle itself, and it can do so better than the Government because businesspeople have to answer to their customers and investors, and if they do not provide the product that customers want and bring a return to investors, then competition will wipe them out.
          The Government has no such worries. For one, since there is no relationship between product and payment, the Government needn’t worry about not getting paid for the product. It also does not have to worry about competition, because it has effectively banned anyone from competing with it. And , of course, the Government never needs to impress investors when it wants cash. It just raises taxes, which we pay like sheep, or it prints money, which devalues all previously printed money.”

          • JeffH

            DaveH, i placed my order for the book with this weekend…Judge Napolitano is a must watch for me.

  • bogbeagle

    There was “a bit of trouble”, but the UK did not burn.

    A tiny fraction of the population took the streets and used the opportunity to steal. There was no apparent political motivation.

    Don’t read too much into the London’ fracas.

    Mind you, the backlash will likely lead to more interesting things. There is the predictable call for “troops on the streets” and “hang ‘em, flog ‘em”. I’ve no doubt that the State will use the opportunity to expand its influence.

  • http://MSN James Burk

    Mr. Livingston,

    Overall a good article, but you go way too far if you are insinuating that school teachers and other public-sector employees are now part of a ‘parasite class’?! Funny how not so long ago it was the bankers, big-business, etc. with their windfall profits, bailouts, etc. that were the root of our problems……Now many of the problems with our society rest with many of the people that have always helped that society work and function? Not buying the snow-job!

  • Dick Bachert

    Excellent video on this very topic here:

  • Larry Pierson

    Subjects are unarmed, citizens are armed. The riots will only spread as far as the sheeple actually believe the government lies that the police will protect them.

    If the riots do try to spread to my neighborhood, I can assure anyone many rioters will pay an unexpected visit to the judgment seat of God.

    • mark

      Subjects are unarmed, citizens are armed?! By this ludicrous definition the Mafia, the Crips, the Bloods, the Latin Kings, the Hells Angels, and every illegal Mexican who crosses our border with a firearm ARE ALL BONAFIDE CITIZENS? While members of the American clergy and millions of law abiding, U.S.-born Americans who don’t happen to own guns are subjects? Thank God our Constitution and not you, Larry, defines U.S. citizenship.

      • Brian

        Mark, you read WAY too much into his comment. All it means is that if you can not bear arms you are merely a subject of the government. He wasn’t bestowing citizenship on everyone with a gun.

        • Buster the Anatolian

          mark is just an obama plant sent to this site to be a disruption with his nonsensical posts.

        • Capitalist at Birth

          I do not waste my time replying to people like Mark. It is and exercise in futility. What he does not realize, that there were at least ten million people that began purchasing fire arms in the fall of 2008 who until that time had never owned one. People like me.

          • mark

            Of course I realize this, it was covered extensively in the press. And it is a perfect example of the widespread irrational fears of the right. What have you needed all these guns for? Has Obama enacted one new anti-gun law? No. Has Obama’s secret army attacked and/or interned you or any of your friends. No because there is no Obama secret army. It is just another one of your paranoid delusions

          • independant thinker

            ” What have you needed all these guns for?”

            I can only speak for myself but I want them simply because I can have them no other reason is needed. Having said that I have also on three occasions been glad I had a handgun with me when confronted by someone.

          • helen

            ~~hey, Capitalist at Birth.. me too! and aren’t we the lucky ones.. If the dunce named Mark wants affirmation that people are arming themselves, tell him to check the stock market.. Check the ‘tic’ for RGR (Ruger) and SWHC (Smith & Wesson)– What and how much of anything I, or anyone else buys, is no one’s business; but let’s just say: Lots of people are buying what they’re selling… Mark’s a ‘mark’.. the left needs people like him..

          • Howard

            Capitalist at Birth, I like your reply. I have always owned guns for the protection of my family and self and this great nation. The founders put that right into our Bill of Rights, not only so that we could protect ourselves, but so the citizens of this great nation could stand and fight in the event of a foriegn invasion or in the event of tyranny. Thomas Jefferson said: LET YOUR GUN BE YOUR CONSTANT COMPANION ON YOUR WALKS. remember that criminals prefer unarmed victims. Governments on the left preferr that too. Because they only want to lead a flock of sheep as in the likes of Mike.

          • Jyrine

            I understand where you are coming from Capitalist at Birth. I figure mark must be a a ‘sock puppet’ someone hired by the opposition to blogg at folks to keep things stired up. He’s probably a Lefty who will disagree with ANYTHING a conservative says just to be obstinate. If he trully is so enamored with Obama he doesn’t have the power of indipendent, intelligent thought to actually qualify as an intelligent human being.

  • The Munz

    If you go to google and search the phrase “day of rage September 17″ you will find roughly About 6,260,000 results – this “day of rage” is scheduled for the United States and being pushed by liberals.
    If you follow what is happening close, it is a test run and agitation for post election problems that Obama is preparing.

    All one needs to do is look at what he did in Kenya for his cousin Odinga. When Odinga lost his presidential bid to rule Kenya on the promise of “hope and change” Muslims rioted killing and injuring thousands. Until the legitimate winner of Kenya’s election did the unthinkable and never before done. He shared power with Odinga to quell the riots and mayhem.

    Anyone who believes that Obama is going to go quietly is delusional.

    • mark

      Then why didn’t Obama call out the military and cancel the 2010 elections that he knew his party would lose badly? This is all ludicrous, over-the-top paranoia. The United States is not Kenya! We will have a generally free and fair election in 2012 (not a perfect one, no system ever created by Man that does not have the capacity for some fraud or flaws)and the winners and losers will abide by the decision. Please, get over this cuckoo-clock, Obama is going to take over the country with his secret army nonsense! It just discourages people from voting by suggesting that everything is a scam!

      • Howard

        Because it wasn’t his seat up yet dippy (Mark). 2012 is a different story because it will be his time too go and he is not going to want to, just like Hugo Chavez down there in Venezuela. Thats alright, I am preping for the worst and hoping and praying for the best.Stock up Patriots. Don’t be sheep like Mark.

      • Jyrine

        Give Obama another term and the United States WILL be Kenya!

    • Karolyn

      Pure fantasy!

  • Rosco1776

    As most of my friends say, my tin foil hat is on and I have all the supplies I’ll need. :-)

    Vote Peace, Prosperity and Liberty, vote Ron Paul 2012!!

  • Wildcat from Dallastown, PA

    The probability of riots like those reported in the UK happening here in the USA reflects an upward trend. However, the location of the riots and who will be the primary instigators (aka the participants) will have other characteristics than those in the UK. In my assessment we may very well experience some of that in the larger urban areas rather than the rural parts of America. The instigators will be comprised of what was reported at the gates of the Wisconsin State Fair in Milwaukee (which appears to be different than the UK) and union thugs like was reported in Madison, Wisconsin to include such notables as SEIU, AFL-CIO, UAW who may be joined with Progressive groups who have been targeted by budget cuts from Conservatives in government or have a documented organized criminal objective such as the former ACORN.

    Those states with CCW laws and law abiding citizens with CCW permits who actually use their permit will be more prepared for the mayhem and as a result have less of it. That is why those of us who are responsible citizens not only have weapons and a CCW but maintain a usable amount of ammunition and shoot regularly to build and maintain our skills. Enhanced situational awareness also keeps us from having to become quick draw experts when a simple state of readiness will suffice.

    Another significant factor in America is that our law enforcement is always armed and doesn’t need additional permission to use greater force from our elected officials to leave the situation, return to an arms room to get the weapons and ammunition and then return to quell the lunacy.

    • mark

      The United States has also had a long history of violent riots throughout its existence. There is nothing new about this. It has happened in the past and will no doubt occur in the future. But such events however deplorable have been fairly isolated. Such riots never destroyed our society or our government. The riots in London and a few other cities in the UK while damaging did not destroy Great Britain as a functioning society. And because hardly any Britons own guns, the death rates from these disturbances was incredibly low, four people killed, three of them Muslims ran over by hoodlums in their car.

  • bob wire

    I think we are about to find out how small the world is and why you are your brother’s keeper.

    • Bob

      You lieberals love to misuse Scripture for your evil purposes – I am my brother’s keeper only when my brother needs help because of circumstances beyond his control. God speaks clearly about sloth and parasitism and NOWHERE in the Bible is there any mention of of helping those who are parasites.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      I hope you realize that it was from the Book of Genesis and it was Cain’s snotty reply to God after Cain killed Abel. Cain was telling God that God failed to protect Abel.

      • Kate8

        Thank you, Nadzieja.

        On the one hand, the liberals hate God and denigrate the Bible.

        Yet they are always (mis)quoting scripture when they want to convince us that they are right about something.

        Too bad that they seldom know what they are talking about.

  • steve meller

    Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way you can understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic . Someone over there has it figured out. We have a lot of work to do.

    “The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president

    • mark

      Right, one way to do this is to abolish democratic voting, just allow white men with incomes over $500,000 a year to vote. Or you could also include ferociously conservative and libertarian white men. This is basically what the Founding Slaveholders wanted. Abolish the equality of all citizens in our nation. Great idea! Having any more?!

      • Brian

        mark appears to be nothing but a Marxist toll.

        • mark

          I’m not a Marxist but I do know that we live in a country of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich. This has changed little since the days of the Founding Slaveholders. Steve thinks the U.S. electorate is depraved! Why?! Because they elected Obama? That same U.S. electorate also voted strongly for numerous winning Tea Party candidates last November. Was that electorate DEPRAVED? I will put my faith in the U.S. electorate long before I will put my faith in the corporate oligarchy that nearly destroyed our economy in the last decade or in the various cranks who post irrational rants on internet blogs.

          • Cawmun Cents

            While we may disagree in content mark,I do agree with your point about the electorate.
            However the attacking the rich part confuses me.
            You see….I happen to know that if it were not for capitalism,we would never have progressed as much,over the last two hundred years or so,as we have managed to do under that form of economy.
            Moreover the progressive ideal is that if capitalism could be managed(in a perfect world),the means for a utopian society could possibly be realized.
            I call bullscat.
            Micro management of R and D,coupled with industrial trade barriers is what got us here.Not unbridled capitalism.
            The government tried to rule and regulate the capitalism and they didnt know what to do with it(its no mystry that ivy-league academics woudlt know dick about capitalism since they have been taught marxism in the colleges for decades now).Instead of free trade,you get what amounts to National Socialism without the need for”Leibensraum”.And of course,without the marked anti-semitism of the former Nazi regime.
            Bottom line is that government control is an oxymoron.
            And you would neccesarily have to be a moron not to comprehend that fact.
            If the attempt to control is not done within industry by folks with character and integrity(who appoint persons in the government to represent them),then how can you expect the government(picked by those folks to lobby for them),to do so correctly.
            What you get is a merry-go-round of finger pointing like we have now.
            It serves to remind us that the system is flawed.
            But you wont get perfection by relying on the wolves to watch the sheep.You only get agressive behavior by the seemingly downtrodden.
            Who profit to a degree unkown in the civilized world from the aforementioned entity.
            The”poor”as everyone knows them here in America(or for that matter,Great Britain),are not truly impoverished.They complain about conditions which they themselves wish to bring about.
            Such as government control of capitalism.
            Again with the oxymoron.
            To seek to control the”rich”is tantmount to National Socialism.
            But now for effect,it is projected globally by elitists that want to be empowered by JOHN/JANE Q PUBLIC,for the purposes of enriching their own coffers,at the public expense.
            This is something you conveniently leave out of your rants sir mark.
            You pitch a bitch about the rich,but you never contemplate how the mechanism works for JOHN/JANE Q PUBLIC,when the elites enjoy regulating him.For that I must condemn your logic,and find your tirades contemptable.Free markets need to be exactly that….free.Free of academia and governing control.Free of Marxist regulation.Free of stifling rules which cause confusion and difficulty.That is why you get no sympathy here.We dont have any for the devil,so why should we have any for you?-CC.

          • Elevenarrows

            Mark, as a small business owner paying a TON in taxes, I feel like we live in a country of the entitled. Most of my taxes go to pay for other people’s schooling, homes, clothing, food, medical care, after school care, utilities, etc. I get discouraged and exhausted that I have to work so hard and watch my husband work so hard to support not only our eleven kids, but many other people’s kids, too. I CHOOSE to support my kids, but I have no choice about supporting other people’s kids. We actually feel this burden when we plan our grocery lists, our clothes shopping, our insurance purchases for our business, etc. Currently, I’m working on a large contract for our company, but hanging over my head like a dark cloud is that my taxes are due October 15th. I have to put everything on hold in my life–including home educating my kids and running our farm and other business– to work on taxes. I will spend about 20 hours doing them. I will agonize over every detail…am I doing this right?…will I be audited? where did I put that receipt? ETC. I’m sorry, but I just don’t believe this is RIGHT. I watch other families receive HUGE refunds while I pay, pay, pay….welcome to the American way…it is one where few pay for many to have what they want…oh, and don’t forget, those “many” will also bite the hand that feeds them and demand more, more, more until eventually, our economy is wrecked because I couldn’t give even more???

          • Karolyn

            Patriotic Buffet asks to be taxed more. Would that there were many more like him! What I want to know is why isn’t Washington listening to him?

          • Kate8

            Karolyn – I’m sick of hearing how the Leftist rich “want” to pay more.

            There is absolutely nothing stopping them. You can contribute as much to the government as you wish. You just write a bigger check.

            Talk is cheap. What he really means is that he wants OTHER people of means to pay more.

          • Jyrine

            That very first sentence PROVES you are a ‘Marxist’. Actually, you and and the other Obama-nites are more like communists.

          • Jyrine

            Right mark, your not a Marxist, you’re a Communist.

      • Isaac Davis

        It’s called “responsibility”. You need to go back and dig a little deeper on the Jefferson belief of public education. He knew that an ignorant electorate, what we have at least 50% of right now, would be the failure of the governed to be capable of keeping a Constitutional Republic intact. The Founding Fathers all had problems with the inhumanity of slavery, but you confine your slave comment to America as if this is the only nation/continent where this practice ever existed. Slavery is alive and well in many nations, and especially in the African muslim countries. Arguing with you, who states that you are “independent” is like the frustration of nailing jell-o to a tree–you cannot get past “white men” caused it. White men who are elected public servants caused it, I’ll give you that one, but it’s because of a population of ignorant American residents who have never understood the complete and exhausting efforts required to maintain a Republic. You are still watching TV, too, aren’t you?

      • Jyrine

        Yea, only let hateful, obnoxious, communist like you vote.

    • Buddy

      That quote from the Czech Republic is correct. What the majority of voters did was to pin their futures on hope and change as differentiated from rational thinking.

      It is often observed that when voters find out that they can vote for benefits from a national treasury, voters will do exactly that. When all the seed corn is eaten, what will be planted?

      Our standard of living is high because a lot of people saved and invested. However, our standard of living is now going down because people with very little can’t understand that some seed corn needs to be saved for next year planting.

  • Raggs

    Philly has now a curfew to keep the thugs off of the streets at night.
    These are the same thugs that are robbing stores as a mob.
    If you remember Glenn Beck warned against this type of out of control thugocracy being near as he was speaking of van jones ( top down, bottom up )..

  • Doc Savage

    As usual, we ants are going to be required to clean up the mess left us by the grasshoppers. And this time it’s, “lock and load”.

    • Jyrine

      What would you know about lock-n-load?

  • Michael

    You all Know that Big brother is moinitering the Internet, for people like us, they also have an Internet Kill switch, I talked to my Daughter this weekend in Phoenix,Arizona this weekend, about what is going on, and she shared some scary story’s about what is going on in Phoenix. She’s scared, and is moving to a small city, she is also buying a hand gun, and is going to grow her own food. When the riots start there – and they WILL – and it’s not if – it’s when, you don’t want to live in a big city. You can go to Barnes and Nobal and Buy a book that will show you how to survive any thing, written buy Navy Seals, I bough the book for $17 and it had every thing in it, what to live on and how to survive – and buy any gun you can – unregistered

  • RandyH

    If our spineless senators allow the ratification of the UN Arms Trade Treaty we will be sheep just like the Brits. The next (un)civil war is coming and obama is chompin at the bit to declare martial law so the blue helmeted “peace keepers” can come in to disarm us. Will our own military, whose members took an oath to uphold the constition NOT to just blindly obey an incompetent president, protect us? Don’t know.

    • RandyH

      Constitution, it’s Monday.

    • DaveH

      It would be Unconstitutional for Congress to give up our Second Amendment rights.
      Make sure when you communicate with your Congressmen about the treaty that you mention that.

    • Brian

      Let’s not forget that the Revolutionary War started when the government tried to cease our arms. Lexington and Concord did not happen because of taxes. They happened because they came for the guns.

    • Average Joe


      “Will our own military, whose members took an oath to uphold the constition NOT to just blindly obey an incompetent president, protect us?”

      Most will not, some will. However the basic problem with having them defend our rights is that they are….where?…..stationed everywhere around the world except?……Here……Kind of hard to defend your country…when you’re 5000-10000 miles away……(we should bring 90% of them home to protect OUR borders).
      I am afraid that when the SHTF…we’re gonna be on our own…..against the thuggery of mobs and the police state of martial law…it isn’t going to be pretty.

      “Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!”

      • DaveH

        Part of that oath is to obey the President. So they have a dilemma. Do they obey the President or do they obey the Constitution which few average citizens know anything about, and which Politicians regularly treat like toilet paper?

        • Average Joe

          Since any orders given must be Constitutional and should not be followed if they are not…..Remember, the old saying “I was just following orders”, was found to be no defense during the Nuremberg trials…..I would say that upholding the Constitution would take presidence over the “presidents orders”.

    • mark

      More ludicrous, paranoid, right-wing delusions. The Obama administration is not going to take over the U.S. in a UN armed coup. This kind of thinking is completely cuckoo. The U.S. Senate hardly ever ratifies anything from the UN (They DID NOT RATIFY Agenda 21 that so many bloggers rant on about forever) and the few times they do the United States NEVER lives up to the agreements. The UN is a complete joke. I fear the UN about as much as I fear a kitchen ant.

      • DaveH

        I fear ignorance, Mark. Therefore I fear you.

        • Jyrine

          Bulls-eye DaveH!

      • Earl

        Well,friend, you are not fully informed. Many cities have already adopted the provisions of ICLEI which is a backdoor way to Agenda 21.

        Google it and learn. Your feeble attempts to discredit those you don’t agree with or whose statements you can’t fathom or understand may be quieted. Some of us DO know what we are talking about. I for one am 67 and have been at this endeavor for truth for 20 plus years. I’ll hazard a guess you are less than 40. Learn both sides of the argument, then the truth will be obvious…

      • Jyrine

        TROLL allert!

  • DaveH

    What you get when you cross the Obama administration:

    So far only Standard and Poor’s has had the guts to brave the Chicago-Style politics of the Administration. Time will tell if Fitch’s or Moody’s have any courage.

    • mark

      “So far only Standard and Poor’s has had the guts to brave the Chicago-Style politics of the Administration.” Please!!! This is the same Standards and Poor’s who ranked as AAA, good-as-gold all those bundled-mortgage toxic assets that Wall Street peddled around the globe for obscene profits 2003-2008 and nearly plunged the world into a 1930s style Depression! Standards and Poors is a joke. Pracitically everything they rated AAA from 2003-2008 for the Big Wall Street Boys (the Bailout Kings!) ended up as complete junk that the taxpayers (you and me) had to make good. Standard and Poors’ judgment is about as good as Judge Ito’s at the OJ trial!

      • DaveH

        Oh, I’m sorry Mark. I will cast aside the education and experience of the S&P analysts who bravely stuck their heads in the noose and told a modicum of truth about the risk of US Debt issues, and instead I will take the word of an ignorant Liberal. Yeah, right.

        • mark

          But the article you cite is about possible S&P involvement in insider trading, how S&P officials might have leaked their decision to downgrade to speculators who could then make money of this leaked info in exchange for pay-offs. The SEC is looking into this. No one’s head is being put in the noose for downgrading but rather for leaking the downgrade to make an illegal profit. But you mis-characterize this whole point of your cited article in your posting.

          • DaveH

            You don’t find the timing of the event to be just a little suspicious?
            Those kinds of actions are typical with Big Government politicians.
            Don’t try to impose your naivete on others.

          • DaveH

            The message to Credit Rating agencies is loud and clear.
            Be honest and downgrade the US Debt, and you will have hell to pay. If they want to survive they must lie like the Politicians do.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, Obama and his administration minions know only one way to counter the S & P, use their Chicago styled thugocracy. This doesn’t surprise me in the least…never heard much about the S & P until they downgraded the credit rating…all of a sudden they are ignorant corrupt heathens…sounds oh so familiar.

  • Bob

    The UK is reaping what it has sown. For decades it has bought support for lieberal programs and, as a result, has created a huge class of parasites who are a drain on the UKs resources. Now that the UK is cutting back on the flow of the blood of the productive to the unproductive, these bloodsuckers are having a tantrum. The democrats have created the same situation here and I suspect that, if we cut back on feeding these human leeches, the resultant rioting will be much worse. I hope we deal with them in a more effective manner than the eunuchs of the UK have dealt with them.

  • Roger

    When you refer,”snidely” to the “Parasites Class” ,Bob, I cetainly hope you are INCLUDING the biggest parasites…..The Fed,Government employees,The Corporate Welfare Bums,the Banksters and other financial Fraudsters, the Subsidized farmers, the Oil industry,Unions,government granted PATENTS and other virtual monopolies granted,protected and enforced by Governments at all levels etcetera, etcetera,etcetera into almost EVERY category and level of Business and labour one can name….you did mean to include those did you not..Just asking…..

    • Bob

      While there are elements of parasitism in all these groups, it is the government employees and union scum who will join in with the welfare scum to riot. These busnessmen/parasites are not going to riot and rampage like the government employees and unions.

      • mark

        Don’t forget the CORPORATE SCUM, the ones who have the real power in our society and whose interests most of the participants on this site serve slavishly and without question!

        • DaveH

          Corporations have no power at all except through the Force of Big Government. A Big Government which you advocate, Mark. Correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s what I get from your various comments.

          • Karolyn

            Aws Rommney says: “Corporations are people too!”

        • Nadzieja Batki

          So if the posters don’t agree with your views, you throw a temper tantrum. Typical.

        • Jyrine

          Those “CORPORATE SCUM” have made it possible for our nation to excell in every respect. Next time you of our fortunate way of life think about the Henry Fords and Bill Gates (CORPORATE SCUM) that have contributed to the sucess of our nation.

  • Bill

    The housing crisis/collapse caused by sub-prime loans is the root cause of world-wide economic problems. Why aren’t Barney Frank and Chris Dodd in jail?? Why are Raines, Gorelick, etc allowed to keep the multi-million dollar salaries they made while overseeing Fannie & Freddie?? Why have no bankers been jailed?? Many of us lost 10′s, even 100′s of thousands in our IRAs and 401ks. When the Gov’t does fine a bank, who gets the money, the Gov’t who caused the problems or the working people who saved these moneys for their retirements?? It is time someone GOES TO JAIL!!!

  • Elevenarrows

    Unfortunately, RandyH, I don’t trust the military to protect us against an anti-American president ordering them against citizens. Our military are trained to obey orders and they don’t necessarily stop to evaluate the morality of those orders. Anyone with enough character to question the “powers that be” has found himself the victim of a court martial…and a ruined name through an all-out smear campaign. Look at what happened to the brave men who questioned if Obama was qualified to be the Commander-in-Chief with such questionable citizenship. They were chewed up and spit out. Besides, the mob-mentality can exist in the ranks of the military every bit as much as in society. If young, confused soldiers receive orders to attack American communities in an effort “to restore peace during chaos” and they see the guy standing next to them obeying the order and the next guy, and the next guy…how many will stop and say, “Hey, isn’t is unconstitutional to attack our own people?” If the current administration is to have its way, we are all to believe that the military is slam-full of homosexuals desperate to “come out of the closet” and that indoctrinating the rest to accept that is the primary goal of our troops…oh, and also to police the world. I won’t be relying on our military to protect us. There are brave, good men still in it, but as a mother of many boys, I certainly don’t want my kids to serve nowadays. There is no guarantee they won’t be required to don a UN uniform and fight against Americans. The world is upside down.

    • Cawmun Cents

      Dont be”skeered”.
      Just practice loading and unloading your firearms in the dark.
      That way you can be ready for whatever comes your way.
      Hopefully it wont be detrimental to your survival.
      Live each day aware and get on with life.
      Its the American way not to be paranoid,but to relax and take each thing one step at a time.
      Stay away from high profile”rioting”areas when something is projected to happen.
      Be safe,but reamain calm and wary.-CC.

  • RadiantTara

    Your parasite class must include the original band of men that founded this nation as well as all colonies across the globe. There has been no greater parasitic action than theirs. FORCED and unfair trade = PARASITES. Slave owners = PARASITES. Every for-profit lobbyist = PARASITES.

  • JJM

    Bob – be careful with undefined ’parasite class’.
    But yes – human parasites, like roaches, will gobble up every bit left out to them and want more, grabbing all resources not properly protected. We cannot eliminate human parasites with Raid, but we do not need to keep feeding their ever increasing numbers.
    As we know, government cannot properly or efficiently administer ANYTHING; therefore, let charity be the provider to the desperate.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      A parasite does not kill the host on which it feeds and lives on,otherwise if it kills the host the parasite will also die. It just needs to keep the host alive at minimum for its own sustainability.

  • Jacob Theodore

    Rioting in London,…. will that come to the US? I guess you haven’t looked at the news out of San Franciso……….

    And to ElevenArrows, don’t worry about the military, they are Oath Keepers. It is part of all military doctrinal training that it supports and defends the Constitution of the USA, not someone who says he is the boss. It the Nuremberg trials after WWII, it was firmly established that when it comes to illegal orders, “I was under orders” is no defense. It is, specifically forbidden for any member of the military to obey an illegal order. Military subjugation of our civilian population is one of the things that is forbidden.

    • Elevenarrows

      You’re right, Jacob. I forgot about Nuremberg. I hope you are right about our military, too. Hurricane Katrina made me nervous…

    • DaveH

      You need to take off those rose-colored glasses. First of all, a person needs to sign onto Oath-Keepers. There are currently somewhere in the neighborhood of 30,000 of them.
      The fact that our military has obeyed Obama’s Unconstitutional orders to get involved in Libya should awake any naive people to the fact that the military oath to obey the Constitution means only what the military thinks it means. Remember that their oaths also include obeying the Commander-in-Chief (Obama), and most likely few of them know anything about what the Constitution says (or care).

  • Howard R Gray

    The riots are here right now in Philadelphia, flash mobs are the English riots here upon American soil.

    The potential front runner Rick Perry for the Republicans isn’t a tea party representative, he is a Bilderberger and that suggests nothing will change, the borders won’t close, the debt will continue upwards and so on and so forth. The talk will be talked, nothing will change the walk won’t be walked.

    The decline of the United States will freeze the whole world economy for many years. China is a nation with a veneer of capitalism, the failure of the USA will cause them to implode, after all we pay them for the debt they own and for the cheap goods that are dumped into our economy. How do they survive if we don’t?

    The ever raising debt ceiling will continue whoever takes the Whitehouse, at some point the currency will fail. There is a solution to financial failure, independent money backed by gold or other precious commodities. Honest money free of government interference.

    The Marxists are relying on the failure of capitalism to enable them to usher in their murderous totalitarian state. This can be stopped with private non state money. Weimar or Zimbabwe can only happen when the currency fails, provide a viable popular alternative and there will be no failure of the economy just a phase out of government big spenders. Yes there will be severe deflation but that is preferable to currency collapse.

    Ask your representatives about non state money provision to avoid bank failure. The legal tender laws need amendment or abolition in their present form. The dollar is weak and on course for oblivion sooner than many realize. There are alternatives that can be fielded well in advance of any failure. By offering substitutes for the dollar, the government will be impelled to shore up the dollar by cutting excessive spending or the dollar will just vanish along with the spending.

    Thermodynamics cannot be countermanded, value free fiat currency just won’t cut it, it will just vanish as it deserves to do. Sad but true. Money free of the machinations of the state will discipline politicians more than anything else. There are alternatives out there for example for one. The only problem is that bitcoin is not backed by value such as gold and silver but imagine if it were so backed or there were a similar alterative that is back by gold and silver?

    Start the debate and see what happens when you bring up this topic. To begin with you will be seen as mad, then possibly even dangerous but in due course the majority will soon grasp the notion of non state currency as eminently reasonable and every politician in need of a vote will behave as if he invented the idea.

    By the way, the idea has been around for a very long time; Frederick Von Hayek wrote on the topic years ago, you can find some of his monographs out there they are published by the IEA, the Institute for Economic Affairs in London England. I have my copies do you? I had the pleasure of meeting this brilliant man, he of the Road to Serfdom fame, his writings on the topic couldn’t be more essential.

    The dollar is insecure; the politicians are robbing our future to pay for their political needs now on both sides of the house. I can be stopped, just take away their monetary toys. Non state money, or even the threat of it, will discipline the otherwise un-disciplinable.

  • Bill

    Impeach O’Bama now!!

  • Insurgent

    Why do you think Buckwheat and Company want to take all the guns from the American people?
    It is not to curb daily crime, it is to make America defenseless!

    • mark

      The Obama adminstration has not removed one gun from one American. And why is a racist remark like Buckwheat and Company not removed from this website? Like the administrators of this site and its readers don’t know what that means. And then Tea Partiers and Conservatives get all bent out of shape when they get called racists? Gee, I wonder why? Porch monkeys, Buckwheat, orangutans, and baboons in the White House. What could these libertarians and conservatives be trying to say?

      • independant thinker

        Obama supports banning the manufacture, sale, and posession of handguns (from a questionare he answered when running for office). Obama has called for the banning of semi-auto only military look-alike firearms (the so called “asault weapon ban). Obama said AFTER he was elected the only reason he did not call for more anti-gun legislation was the fact that he could not get the votes to pass it.

      • JeffH

        mark, you are a classic Alinsky marxist.

        “‘The organizer’s(mark)first job is to create the issues or problems,’ and ‘organizations must be based on many issues.’ The organizer ‘must first rub raw the resentments of the people of the community; fan the latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expression. He must search out controversy and issues, rather than avoid them, for unless there is controversy people are not concerned enough to act. . . . An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent.’”

        “…the organizer(mark)is constantly creating new out of the old. He knows that all new ideas arise from conflict; that every time man as had a new idea it has been a challenge to the sacred ideas of the past and the present and inevitably a conflict has raged.”

        The emphasis on conflict… “And so the guided questioning goes on without anyone losing face or being left out of the decision-making. Every weakness of every proposed tactic is probed by questions…. Is this manipulation? Certainly….”

        “The first step in community organization is community disorganization. The disruption of the present organization is the first step toward community organization. Present arrangements must be disorganized if they are to be displace by new patterns…. All change means disorganization of the old and organization of the new.”

        “An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent… He must create a mechanism that can drain off the underlying guilt for having accepted the previous situation for so long a time. Out of this mechanism, a new community organization arises….”The job then is getting the people to move, to act, to participate; in short, to develop and harness the necessary power to effectively conflict with the prevailing patterns and change them. When those prominent in the status quo turn and label you an ‘agitator’ they are completely correct, for that is, in one word, your function—to agitate to the point of conflict.”

        This is classic “mark”.
        Rule# 7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time….”

      • Jyrine

        You are real good at the jargon Sock Puppet.

      • Jyrine

        You just don’t get it, do ya Einstein. The mere fact that people fear the loss of rights and infringement on gun rights is a sign that something is terribly wrong with our government.

  • gordon

    this is for denniso brain dead fits you

  • Roger

    Yes Bob, you are right, the RICH and POWERFUL (Establishment) PARASITES won’t riot, at least not in the way we define “riot”.

    They dont have to, nor would they have the chutzpah to riot. They are COWARDS who simply destroy by stealth…they STEAL legally and destroy people financially ..but then isn’t that exactly what the “normal” rioters are doing,albeit,in a “smaller” and less cowardly but illegal way???

    I learned a long time ago, Bob( I am a 71 year old Libertarian and founder of the Libertarian Party of Caanada)), that the only difference between Criminals and Authorities is the Authorites have the law on their side!

    • Peter D


      GOT IT?

      • mark

        Roger is absolutely right. The rich and the powerful steal and kill on a scale unimaginable compared to the poor and the working class. And Roger you are completely welcome on this site even if you do live in Canada. Welcome to our neighbors from the North! The wider the range of opionions and perspectives posted here, the better for us all!

        • denniso

          I agree,and welcome to the site Roger…most of us sane people like Canada. You do have to be prepared for some of the most absurd insults and comments here if you stick around.

      • Doug

        Peter you need to do some research Canada is actually more Capitialist then the US, they have over taken us when it comes to freedom. We have been marching down the Socialist path now since the 1930′S!

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Canada is a Socialist country.
          One has to define Capitalism accordingly since the difinition has been changed to what the Socialists want it to mean.

      • Karolyn

        Do you have a p[roblem with reading comprehension? The man said he was a LIBERTARIAN!

        • Kate8

          karolyn – I’m puzzled by the reaction to Roger, as well. I reread his post several times, and I just can’t find anything objectionable about it. In fact, seems true enough to me.

          And then the libs jumped on board.

          WTH? Did I miss something?

          BTW, Roger. I welcome you here, too.

          • Karolyn

            Kate – It was Peter D’s post I was commenting on.

        • Kate8

          karolyn – I know. Me, too.

          Peter D. called him a commie, and then the libs jumped up and acted like Roger was one of them.

          I just didn’t get that.

          • Karolyn

            Kate – Because of what he said about the wealthy.

      • Jyrine


    • Jyrine

      Ive been to Canada a couple times on business and I know a few Canadians here and I don’t like any of you stupid, spineless, Limmie want-to-be’s. I hate your damn country to.

  • Peter D

    Watching the fires and the protest in the UK.
    I thought I was watching that lovable union in Wisconsin.
    You know, the “share the wealth” teachers unions.

    They voted for our great leader, who made the slogan “share the wealth” an American icon.
    When it came time to actually share some of their wealth. it suddenly became a huge problem.
    See what pathetic hypocrite these libs are?
    We meant share your wealth – not ours!

    • mark

      Why did you think you were watching that lovable union in Wisconsin when the Wisconsin union DID NOT burn down a single building or kill a single individual? Are you completely delusional like so many on this site?

      • Peter D

        MARX (I mean Mark)

        SARCASM – Get it?

        They did everything else BUT burn buildings down.
        Perhaps,the next time they are asked to pay a little something into the system the way the rest of us poor slobs do – they will burn down a building or two?

        Maybe they will take their playbook from the lovely looters in the UK?
        Let’s face it – the teachers were an EMBARSEMENT to themselves and the union.
        Greedy, money hungry, losers “It’s for the children” – PLEASE
        The FIRST time they are ever asked to pay into the system, which is broke, they protest, storm the capital, take kids out of school, scream, call the governor a Hitler.

        Why? Because they were asked to pay a much smaller percentage than the non Union workers pay (The REAL WORLD) and they act like Bozo’s?

        Yes, we can ALL learn from those teachers.
        They should be SOOOO PROUD OF THEMSELVES!
        The party that voted for “share the wealth” – still believes in that mantra-

        • mark

          “They did everything else BUT burn buildings down.” Really THEY DID EVERYTHING ELSE?! Did they brandish or discharge any firearms? No. Did they set off any bombs anywhere? No. Did they release any deadly chemicals into the air? No. Did they beat anyone with clubs and sticks? No. Did they stab anyone? No. Did they kill anyone? No! Did they torch and burn cars? No. Did they send people with serious injuries to the hospital? No. Did they kidnap anyone? No! I can go on and on like this forever but the answers are always the same because besides giving fiery speeches and angrily denouncing Governor Walker and his allies, all they did was demonstrate and hold some sit-ins in the State Capitol Building. To compare them to the London rioters in anyway is a complete joke. These were Wisconsin school teachers! They brought bunt cakes, bratwurst, and Packer gear to their demonstrations. Please. If you are afraid of unarmed, Wisconsin school teachers, if these are the fearsome Obama storm troopers of your paranoid dreams, then you better bring a teddy bear to bed with you everynight so you don’t wet yourself while sleeping.

          • Peter D

            A rant on if the WI teachers shot people or set bombs off in WI?
            REALLY ? I needed you to remind me of that?
            Again — sarcasm
            READ MY POST S L O W L Y.
            OK, to be fair, they didn’t shoot a gun, or set a bomb or set a building on fire!
            Do you feel better now?
            They were STILL A DISGRACE and the other 99.9% of my post, you obviously agree with, since you had ZERO to comments regarding the meat of the problem.
            That would be phony, liberal, hypocrites like you with your “share the wealth” BS (unless it’s your wealth)

            By any chance, are you a teacher?

      • Earl

        No, man. They only caused approximately a million dollars worth of damage to the statehouse and costs of trash pickup and clean-up after they left….

  • Thor

    Good post, Bob. Looks like it will be survival of the fittest…and nature herself will be giving out plenty of “Darwin Awards’ of her own….

  • Raggs

    Lets all pray that oblama is a ONE TERMER… But as we can all see when that he is declared an X-presidenta millions of his worshipers will take to the streets in protest…. ( blood shed ) ????

  • JeffH

    Things are heating up for the O’man. Obama’s public approval rating dipped to 39% in the latest Gallup Poll.

    • coal miner

      JeffH says:
      August 15, 2011 at 12:34 pm
      Things are heating up for the O’man. Obama’s public approval rating dipped to 39% in the latest Gallup Poll.

      Poll – Republican Party approval rating is in free-fall.

      See latest post
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      Initial post: Aug 14, 2011 8:11:35 AM PDT
      VicAriel says:
      A recent CNN/ORC poll indicates the approval rating of the Republican Party is at the lowest point in at least the last 20 years. Tea Party approvals are even lower.

      The Republican Party – 33%
      The Tea Party – 31%
      The Democratic Party – 47%

      The Republican Party’s approval continued its decline in July due to the failure of their members in Congress to negotiate in good faith on the recent debt ceiling deal. The Tea Party’s approval has declined to an even lower level as voters learn what it’s about. Voters are slowly figuring out that the Tea Party is nothing more than the same far-right fiscal and social conservatives who have always been rejected by mainstream Americans. Not only does 67% of moderates disapprove of the Tea Party but 29% of the conservative base do as well according to the poll.

      • Peter D

        This is too funny.

        Do you have any polls that say the unemployement rate is 3%?

        Or gas is at $2.00 again?

        How about a poll on Obumas health plan bieng loved by all??

      • 45caliber

        coal miner:

        Results depend upon who is taking the poll, the questions asked, and where they take it. As a result, I ignore all polls except my own. And I get that from people I talk to.

    • JeffH

      coal…and your point is other than a failed attempt to stir the “Tea Party” pot of discontent? Republicans? Who cares? Democrats? Who cares?

      Last time I checked, there is no “Tea Party” in America’s political party system. The modern political party system in the United States is a two-party system dominated by the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. Third parties consist of the ever growing Libertarian Party, the Green Party and Constitution Party.

      • coal miner

        Libertarian Party, the Green Party and Constitution Party.Growing? maybe?
        Green Party?That is a leftist enviornmental organization.Right? Here what I pasted from their website.
        “Welcome to The Greens/Green Party USA. The Greens/Green Party USA has been working since 1984 to make the hope of a more democratic, safer, cleaner world real. Our political goal is an America where decisions are made by the people and not by a few giant corporations. Our environmental goal is a sustainable world where nature and human society co-exist in harmony.

        First organized as the Green Committees of Correspondence, The Greens/ Green Party USA is the oldest, continuously active Green organization in America. It was our organization that originated the Green Ten Key Values which are now accepted by nearly all Greens in the United States. The Ten Key Values when correctly understood point to a new society and way of life based on Ecological Wisdom, Social Justice, Cooperation and Non-violence. The Ten Key Values point to a world entirely different from our present world of violence, corporate greed, and ecological destruction.

        There are many things that will have to be changed before a truly democratic and Green society can exist but one is the tremendous and unfair gap today between the rich and the poor; in fact even between the very rich and the average person.

        Today in America the best paid one-fifth of the population receives about one half of all national income, while the bottom one-fifth receives less than 4 per cent. The distribution of wealth in America is even more unfair. Here, the top one-half per cent of all property owners control over 25% of all wealth; while the top 5% sit on nearly 70% of wealth and property. What chance does the average person have for exercising his or her democratic rights under these conditions!

        Behind this unfair distribution of wealth and income stand a few giant corporations who own or control nearly all newspapers, television networks and radio stations, movie companies, book publishers, and other sources of information and means of communication. Both of America’s major political parties, the Republicans and the Democrats, are dependent on these corporations and the few super-rich individuals and families associated with them. In fact, nearly all major offices in the US government, whether elected or appointed, are filled by individuals from this corporate network. What chance does democracy have under such conditions? What chance does nature and the environment have?

        Today’s industrial society, driven by a market system based only on profit, is rapidly destroying the very foundations in nature on which human existence depends: air, water, soil, forests, plants and animals, mineral and fuel resources. Over the past century, three-quarters of the Earth’s original forests have been cut. Mechanized, corporate farming is destroying the soil essential for agricultural production all over the world at an alarming rate. Pollution of rivers and lakes, silting of streams, and depletion of underground aquifers threatens the world’s fresh water supply. Even the Earth’s atmosphere is being restructured by this profit-driven economy.

        Global warming caused by the burning of coal, oil, and natural gas is now increasing the world’s average surface temperature at an historically unprecedented rate, raising sea levels, and changing global weather patterns on which human agriculture and industry and many plant and animal species depend. Global warming, combined with an expected future scarcity of fossil fuels, demands an immediate crash program for conversion to solar and wind energy and sustainable zero waste production. Yet no national government today is acting adequately on this need–especially the United States. Can serious planning and research for conversion to alternative energies be expected as long as giant petroleum corporations control much of the world’s economy, and most government policy?

        This list of problems needing immediate solution can go on and on. Corporate funded genetic engineering (genetically modified organisms or GMOs ) are creating artificial “Frankenfoods” which threaten to enter the environment and contaminate a species diversity it has taken nature millions of years to evolve. In society, poverty and lack of opportunity has created a vicious cycle of racism, addiction, economically forced military enlistment, violence, bitterness, and a massive prison industry.

        Our future can be peace and a better world, or it can be endless conflict and ecological/ecomomic disaster. The difference between the two is whether or not we act to make the difference. The Green Ten Key Values speak to every issue identified here. The Greens/Green Party USA urges the public, voters, candidates and elected officials to become familiar with these values and be guided by them in their personal life and in public actions and decisions. We urge all Americans to organize around these values for a sane and better world. The Greens/Green Party USA stands for Green values in a straightforward, uncompromised way. We do not pull punches when hard, honest things have to be said. Through our publications and through organizing we tell the truth as it is and put forward real solutions to today’s social and environmental problems.

        The Greens/Green Party USA is supported entirely by memberships and small donations. We receive no corporate or foundation money. Explore this web site. Read our Platform and two Program documents as examples of some of the positions we take on specific issues. A Green movement strong enough to change our present society can only come from the actions and commitment of thousands of people. Voting once every 2 or 4 years is not enough. We need a society where people talk, think and act Green everyday. This is the kind of society The Greens/Green Party USA is committed to building. Join us in our fight for a sane, democratic and sustainable world”.

        • JeffH

          …yawns, yawns again…who really cares…certainly not I…yawns again…

          • coal miner


            JeffH, a thieving liberal?GREEN PARTY? HA HA HA HA HA! What next?

          • JeffH

            A few things coal…

            1 – you obviously didn’t understand my rebuttle
            2 – my post was way over your head
            3 – you need to get out of your cave more

        • jibbs

          Democratic rights? what have you been smokin? We are a Republic!

  • chuckb

    mark, as usual you bolsheviks have a way of twisting the facts, no the protesters didn’t burn any buildings, however, they sure did some work inside.
    It could cost as much as $7.5 million to repair damage protesters have done to the Capitol Building marble say officials in Madison. Fixing posters to the marble with tape and glue appears to have done the bulk of the damage.

    During testimony Thursday, a representative from the Attorney General’s office said a contractor estimated it would cost $500,000 to remove all of the posters and garbage. He says it would cost $6 million to restore the marble inside of the Capitol building and another $1 million to touch up the marble outside of the building.

    so there isn’r much difference in their actions.

    • Peter D

      That’s correct. I forgot about that(the damages to the buildings)
      “share the wealth”

  • downs1

    The level of frustration is rising here as well as around the globe. No society is immune from violence. Often, but not always, the worst violence comes from those who contribute least and who depend on the rest to provide for them. They neither understand nor care what causes their discomfort, they “only want what’s theirs!” The eones who d contribute become defensive and the next thing you know there is verbal combat whjich erupts into physical violence. Then destruction of property, looting, and the push back from the establishment. It takes more time, money and effort to repair the damage which only magnifies the problem. But, the ones who perpetrate the chaos always blame someone else! And so it goes. Those who provide the money in the first place, wind up paying, and those who suck off society wait for their

  • downs1

    (continued) usual dole. The lesson from history is this: people and governments don’t learn from history! The human condition remains essentially unchanged!

  • 45caliber

    One of the main problems is the uncertainty of the future costs of government. Insurance rates are going up as well due to the government requirements added into Oblamacare. This program needs to be repealed in the worst way to encourage businesses to start rehiring. Shutting down other groups of the government would also help. But as long as the politicians refuse to cut government, no one knows what will happen, particularly when they put off the start of all their programs for several years.

  • Roger

    HI Peter D…the first thing that happened when I read your childish and ignorant( in the true sense of the word meaning) “redneck ” comment was to laugh and I mean sincerely is a news flash for you: I DONT NEED your PERMISSION

    ….but thanks for your “Interest’ anyway. :-)

  • Janice Fortin

    How many in the UK are there collecting benefits who are illegally in the country? Truman and Eisenhauer both deported illegals in time of great unemployment to make jobs for American citizens. E verify should be active in every country to make sure the host country isn’t the one getting the shaft.

  • Richard Popovich

    One date to watch will be September 17 of this year. The left is organizing “The U.S. Day of Rage;” a peaceful, “non-violent protest,… yea, right; to take over Wall Street, and other American cities, including Washington D.C. This “protest” is being orchestrated by the CPUSA, and is being supported by non-other than Al Gore. All anyone needs to do, to confirm Gore’s involvement in this is to GOOGLE “The US Day of Rage, and his picture is right there for everyone to see.

    It is quite amazing that a former U.S. Vice President, could be so far to the left that he is willing to become involved with the Communist Party of the United States of America!

    Communism is far from being dead in the World. This was a lie peddled by the left after the collapse of the old Soviet Union. But these communist socialist groups just went dormant until the liberal establishment regained control of our government. Today, communism is making a strong comeback all over the world, and is now very powerful in the United States because of Obama’s policies.

    Between now and the next election, American cities are going to see major problems with violent outbursts, like those in the U.K. America is not immune to the plans of anarchists. Trouble in our cities are boiling under the pavement, and we need to be prepared for it.

    • 45caliber


      The administration needs some type of ‘crisis’ to be able to put off elections or whatever it is they wish to do. What better one than this?

  • helen

    ~~I’m surprised to see no comments to Bill Koehler’s excellent observation: “THE BRITS AREN’T ALLOWED TO DEFEND THEMSELVES”.
    Why do you think every despot disarms the citizenry? When the people are reduced to pitch-forks to defend themselves against an army, it’s not much of a contest, is it? You’re darned right we’re going to cling to our Bibles and Guns.. The Progressive/Socialists won’t find Americans such an easy target as the uneducated masses of Third-World countries, or the Politically ‘Conditioned’ countries such as Great Britain.. The Brits were ‘too good for their own good’.

  • helen

    ~~I’m surprised to see no comments to Bill Koehler’s excellent observation:
    Why do you think every despot disarms the citizenry? When the people are reduced to pitch-forks to defend themselves against an army, it’s not much of a contest, is it? You’re darned right we’re going to cling to our Bibles and Guns.. The Progressive/Socialists won’t find Americans such an easy target as the uneducated masses of Third-World countries, or the Politically ‘Conditioned’ countries such as Great Britain.. The Brits were ‘too good for their own good’.

    • mark

      Then how do you explain all the riots in the United States in its history, a nation where everyone is armed-to-the-teeth? Why doesn’t the heavily-armed United States have a history of zero riots. The one good thing about the huge absence of guns in England is that hardly anyone was killed in the British riots. One dead, shot early on by the police and three Muslims killed when anti-immigrant thugs ran them over with their car. That was the extent of fatalities.

      • Peter D

        If the police there had real guns, that actually fired bullets, the riot would have ended in a half hour.

        Try to comprehend that, Marx.

        • 45caliber

          I remember the Detroit riot about 67-68. It ran for two weeks. The city police couldn’t put it down. The state police couldn’t stop it. The National Guard were helpless. The 101st Airborne from Ft. Cambell put it down in less than three days.

          The main reason? Everyone except the army had orders to ignore the rioters and looters unless they were seen attacking someone. The army would simply surround the looters and arrest them. When the looters realized that they weren’t going to be allowed to do as they wished, they all went home.

      • 45caliber

        Because most of the armed people stay home. And don’t consider them helpless. During the Rodney King riots in LA, a group decided to go riot and destroy in a middle class neighborhood. When they walked up, they found the street blocked by cars with armed men behind them. The rioters went home then.

  • mark

    Did anyone notice that of all the images of the thousands of rioters in London, this website chose to put a black man in the photo attached to the article? Typical. At least Mr. Livingston knows his audience and he knows exactly what kind of fears and emotions to appeal to concerning them. It speaks volumes of Livingston and his website’s world-view.

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear mark,

      Take you race-baiting comments elsewhere. If you knew anything about the London riots at all you would know that it was begun by blacks who were upset of the shooting of a black man. If you will go to Scotland Yard’s website, where they are trying to identify the looters, you will find people of all races taking part. The race of the person in the photo was not considered when the photo was chosen. We were simply looking for a photo that showed the rioting. Not everyone looks at every incident in terms of race as you seem to.

      Also, I guess you’re going to ignore the racial aspect of most of the recent flash mob violence in the United States, in which there was black on white crime. The MSM is sure ignoring it.

      Best wishes,

      • 45caliber

        But Bob! You are supposed to ignore that too!

      • mark

        Dear Bob,

        As you yourself say: “If you will go to Scotland Yard’s website, where they are trying to identify the looters, you will find people of all races taking part.” You also claim: “The race of the person in the photo was not considered when the photo was chosen.” Then why was a black rioter chosen? This was a conscious choice. Your article also touches on the numerous disturbances in Greece, Portugal, Spain and more recently in Israel as well as the “Arab Spring.” In most of these disturbance few of the participants were black. Why didn’t you show a picture of an Israeli or a Greek rioter? No, I think you know your audience very well here and a black rioter’s picture had exactly the desired effect of firing up the “gun crowd” and generally anti-African American, paranoid audience on this site. I’m very aware of the black-on-white violence in Philadelphia and at the Wisconsin State Fair that has been covered by the media but this wasn’t the subject of your article. Why do you bring it up now? Don’t forget this is a site where when participants write: “That Buckwheat in the White House,” their comments are NOT removed. Why don’t such passages and references to porch monkeys, orangutans, etc. draw critical comment from you?

        Best wishes, mark

        • JeffH

          mark, mark, mark…a classic Alinsy marxest community organizing ploy… “And so the guided questioning goes on…Every weakness of every proposed tactic is probed by questions…. Is this manipulation? Certainly….”An organizer(mark)must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent”… When those prominent in the status quo turn and label you an ‘agitator’ they are completely correct, for that is, in one word, your function—to agitate to the point of conflict.”

          “The first step in community organization is community disorganization. The disruption of the present organization is the first step toward community organization. Present arrangements must be disorganized if they are to be displace by new patterns…. All change means disorganization of the old and organization of the new.”

          “Tactics are those conscious deliberate acts by which human beings live with each other and deal with the world around them. … Here our concern is with the tactic of taking; how the Have-Nots can take power away from the Haves.”

          “‘The organizer’s(mark)first job is to create the issues or problems,’ and ‘organizations must be based on many issues.’ The organizer ‘must first rub raw the resentments of the people of the community; fan the latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expression. He must search out controversy and issues, rather than avoid them, for unless there is controversy people are not concerned enough to act. . . . An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent.’”

          • mark

            “‘The organizer’s(mark)first job is to create the issues or problems,’ and ‘organizations must be based on many issues.’ The organizer ‘must first rub raw the resentments of the people of the community; fan the latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expression. He must search out controversy and issues, rather than avoid them, for unless there is controversy people are not concerned enough to act. . . . An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent.’” BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT RIGHT-WING BLOGS LIKE PERSONALLIBERTY.COM AND HUNDREDS OTHERS DO EVERYDAY! You have condemned yourself with the quotes in your own post! It’s hilarious! You have met the enemy and he is YOU!!!

          • JeffH

            mark, mark, mark…the shoe fits you well mark, mark, mark…no denying the motivation of your presence here…Homey ain’t playin’ the reversal game…you are what you are, a classic Alinskyite!

          • Jay

            Jeff, poor little mark is out of his water’s, now that you have exposed him! Well done! There can be no doubt that mark is what you say he is. He can run, and bullsh*t all he wants, but it will do him no good. I suppose he can always change his moniker, but you shall know them by their words! What a hopeless loser!

        • libertytrain

          Mark you are hopeless – but nonetheless I’m glad you weren’t in Milwaukee at the State Fair when if you were white or Hispanic you would have been beaten up, injured — or worse… The liberal Milwaukee Journal pulled no punches and stated exactly who was doing the beating. Was it racist for that newspaper to tell the truth? Apparently it was, according to you.

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, you should save your breath…I know that you know that mark has but one purpose for posting here(besides the paycheck).
            mark said he wasn’t a Marxist and even if he was(he clearly projects himself as a Marxist)he wouldn’t own up to it…you know, that cloth your dishonesty with morality thing… :)

          • libertytrain

            You’re right Jeff. He is definitely another brainwashed loser.

          • mark

            Of course it wasn’t racist for the newspaper to write that; the Journal-Sentinel was doing its job. Nowhere in any of my blogs on this site today have I stated this as you are well aware. You can easily check this by reading my blogs today. What I find racist or at least attempting to stir up racial emotions, is using a photo of a black rioter to represent riots that consisted of large numbers of white as well as black lawbreakers. Why use the photo of a black man only? Why not a photo of several black and white looters working together as they did quite often in London? Or a photo of Greek, Portuguese, Spanish or Arab rioters. To me just showing a single menacing black as representative of all the rioters is misleading at best and racist at worst, designed deliberately to stir up white fears and emotion. The Wisconsin State Fair case was a different matter entirely. There according to all the news coverage, police reports, and eye-witness accounts the assaulting aggressors were ALL BLACK and the victims were, as you correctly note, all white and/or hispanic. But THIS WAS NOT THE CASE IN GREAT BRITAIN so why only show a black face to represent the lawbreakers? It was also not the case in Greece, Spain, Portugal and the Arab World which Mr. Livingston writes about extensively in his article today. But a black man is chosen to represent all riots around the world in his article. I cannot help but have my suspicions on a site that routinely allows posts that talk about porch monkey, baboons, orangutans and Buckwheat in the White House. I mean what else is a discerning, thinking individual to suppose?

          • libertytrain

            As long as you want to stir up things that don’t exist, that’s all that really matters to you. Pick and choose what you deem racist…typical.

          • Jay

            libertytrain, in order to understand how mark, and the rest of the liberal parasite think, and manoeuvre, and understand their true reason for being on a conservative site, you need to acquaint yourself with their debating tactics:


            There is an old joke about prisoners in a penitentiary who have heard each other’s jokes so many times, they assigned numbers to them and shout those out, rather than retelling the joke. This Guide is intended for Battalion S2 Commenters to use in the same manner.

            They are not presented in any particular order.

            1. SHOW UP WITH YOUR TALKING POINTS. Make sure you have something that you feel will show your opponents in a negative light, and make that the subject of the discussion.

            2. DEMONIZE YOUR OPPONENT. Attempt to cover them with shame, the same way you would a 4 year old that touches his pee-pee.


            4. ACCUSE YOU OPPONENT OF SAYING SOMETHING HE DIDN’T. Attempt to define his statements in a negative light. Interpret them this way and state it as fact that he did actually say it. NEVER ask him…always TELL him what his meaning was.

            5. CLAIM THAT IT IS “OLD NEWS” AND NOT WORTHY OF DISCUSSION. This applies especially when the discussion turns to the misdeeds of Democrat Party Leadership.

            6. QUOTE AN UNSOURCED NEW ARTICLE. Always quote the article selectively, or describe it in a general manner.

            7. IF ASKED DIRECT QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NEWS YOU HAVE PROVIDED, RESPOND INDIRECTLY. Never actually answer the specific of the question.


            9. ACCUSE YOUR OPPONENT OF A MENTAL DEFECT OR LACK OF INTELLIGENCE. Personal attacks of this sort are especially useful as the target will almost always try to defend himself, thus changing the subject.


            11. ACCUSE YOUR OPPONENT OF NOT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS. Try to do this before he has an opportunity to. Try to infer that it you have given him multiple opportunities to do so. Do it even if the question has been answered. If he misses the question and asks you to repeat it DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES REPEAT THE QUESTION FOR HIS BENEFIT).

            12. RESORT TO INSULTS. Try to question you opponent’s masculinity, his resolve, ANYTHING, but try to diminish and demean him. (This is know as the “LBJ Rule” codified by him thus: “Accuse your opponent of being a pig fornicator, then make him deny it.) REMEMBER, IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO THIS TACTIC, IT MEANS YOUR OPPONENT IS WINNING!

            13. ACCUSE YOUR OPPONENT OF BEING UNINFORMED. This works especially well when you are asked to provide your sources. It is especially effective if you work in a reference to someone you have already demonized. Rush Limbaugh is currently the Demon of Choice.

            14. SPEAK CRYPTICALLY. Try to make it difficult for people to divine your meaning

            15. CHANGE THE SUBJECT. Try to get it back to your original talking points (see #1 above)

            16. APPEAR TO AGREE. You will need to do this in order to achieve #15.


            18. BAIT YOUR OPPONENT. Needle him, tease him, call him names until he makes an inappropriate post, then scream bloody murder to the Moderator.

            19. DENY THE EVIDENCE EXISTS. Ask for evidence of wrongdoing by those you support. When that evidence is presented, continue denying that it exists.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Jay–I had to chuckle at your list. Seems like this list applies to both parties.

          • Jay

            Do you think? Duh..

          • http://deleted Claire

            Yeah, I think. Duh…

          • Jay

            In case you’ve been sleeping, and are still dreaming of the 60′s, and smoking you’re primo weed, while dreaming of “utopia”, you may then not be aware that we are in a war, and the future of our country hangs in the balance. So if you disapprove of guerilla tactics, and feel that we should all hold hands and sing “we are the world”, then i suggest you drink a double dose of your herbal tea, and go back to sleep. Sleep tight!

          • http://deleted Claire

            The 60s? Surely you jest. Could it be that you are still hankering for the unrest of the 60s yourself? Primo Weed? Never, but be my guest and smoke it all you want. Utopia? That word never enters my mind-not in this day and age. Guerilla tactics? Sorry, these antics are never conducted with common sense. There is a time and place for rebellion, and the key is to never do it half-assed. All the way or no way. If something is started, then finish it. Holding hands? There is too much hate in the U.S. to consider holding hands.

        • Raggs

          Mark… Prehaps anger starts with people to the likes of you.

          Always blame someone else… sounds kinda like oblama now doesn’t it?

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear mark,

          I selected the photo. The race of the individual was not considered. You can believe that or not.

          Best wishes,

          • Raggs

            Bob… No disrespect but why are you letting mark play you that way?
            It is obvious this is his game plan.

      • JeffH

        This from the Daily Mail on line out of the UK…August, 9, 2011

        We ran for our lives as thugs ambushed bus: Chaos across the capital as orgy of violence rages on

      • Raggs

        Bob… Isn’t it strange how this becomes W’s, Conservatives, or tea-parties fault?
        The far left commies create this and then they place the blame.
        And if you make some sence out of the destruction that they are doing and pass along the information they do nothing but attack.

    • Karolyn

      mark – I agree with some of what you post but not this time.

    • Jyrine

      mark you are an IDIOT!

  • Peter D

    Maybe, there were ONLY blacks rioting , simpleton?

    Or– have to be PC:

    Maybe the great majority of the looters were “black” ???

    What a slug!

    • mark

      No, lot’s of whites took part in the rioting as well as has been documented by police video and news coverage.

      • Raggs

        Ya know what mark…. Any rioter is a loser and they all fall from the same Marxist branch of chit.

  • Frank Norton

    In the colonel days it was “Don’t be a mule, use one”, in the 1950s it was “Don’t be a dishwasher, purchase one”, by the year 2,000 it was “Don’t work hard, work smart”, but today with everything mechanised for greater productivity it is the promise of the 1950s “in the furture productivity will be so high that you won’t have to work and will have lots of leasure time”. But without jobs and the government not owning and running everything, there is not enough money to provide for everyone’s needs. Wait, this system doesn’t work! Get rid of the mules, dishwashers and working smart, machinery and get everyone back living off the land. It’s a tuff life, but people have survived doing it for the 200,000 years our species has existed.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Say what you mean and mean what you say,stop trying to be a cute Socialist.

    • 45caliber

      If you do that, about 80% of them would die. Of course there are those we could do without …

  • robt shrugged

    here we go, just give all the people who want to live off the producers we give them 10 percent of our wages and tax them at 99percemt. then they will have no complaints and they will have to pay for their food, medical, dental, gas and housing.

  • david

    I do find it interesting the timing of things, almost as if it were following a plan, the disassembling of America, family farms being pushed out, big corporate farms replacing them, the exclusive use of hybrid seeds, the grocery stores offering so much foreign produce, now watch the price of food, our tax dollars are being used to put American farmers out of business, why? control the food control the people even the world? And now the UN wants to control our small arms? whose jumping up to support that? who let guns cross the border in Mexico, who lied and said 90% of guns in Mexico come from America.
    We are not cattle, yet we are allowing ourselves to be herded in directions contrary to our values and traditions that made America great. Its sad but the enemy is among us, and like wolves in sheep clothing, their dishonesty will only bring harm to us and our loved ones, for generations come, prepare yes! but its also the time to stand and fight, we can take back control this government, the tea party proved it to us, Washington hates them and will lie and discredit them at all cost. but just like a dog put on a leash for the first time, he will fight like hell till he learns whose boss!

  • robt shrugged

    david you are starting to get the big picture, but it may be even worse. it may have already been done and it has to be introduced slowly to the people. we are now slaves to the few.

  • Dean C

    Ron Paul seems to be the only sane candidate,.. I’ve heard his speeches, watched his so called crazy predictions about the economy and the debt issue ALL come true recently. All those who said he was a whacko are tucking their tales under their behinds now ,or they will be as they line up for whats left of their savings and 401k’s after this administration is done and the collateral damage wipes out all the hard working ,saving americans and leaves nobody but lazy baby producing parasites whose only motivation is to line up at the government feeding trough for any free handouts they can still get, and when they are cut off you can rest assured they will turn to violence and theft to get what is RIGHTFULLY theirs in their opinion,by stealing and looting from those who got up and worked hard for it everday, Well, when they come here for it,they will be met by a family of well trained defenders who know how to shoot,have plenty of ammo,a variety of peacekeepers, and don’t miss their target.

  • Ian MacLeod

    What this massive and passionate response says is that Americans are on the edge, sick and tired of a government that makes up the law as it goes along, that treats We the People as though we were an occasionally useful resource that should otherwise be silent, respectful and obedient – or else. In scattered places, the police act like an occupying military, but without even the constraint of International Law. Our “rights” are treated as revocable privileges, to be removed any time an LEO feels like it.

    This can’t last. Pressure like this will explode sooner or later, and its getting later fast.


  • exbobbie

    Janice F. I go to Nottingham on a regular basis to visit my Mother and family. One of the things that gets my relatives upset is the large numbers of immigrants (legal and illegal) who arrive in England and immediately get welfare (food, housing etc). Also the tremendous amount of welfare cheating that goes on. Thanks to unchecked or lax immigration policies the English are watching their England disappear and this has been going on for a long time (sound familiar). I witnessed it in the late 60′s while working at Heathrow Airport. I saw the welfare tables set up for the incoming flights from India and Pakistan, nothings changed.

    Mark. It has already been established that the majority of the looters and rioters in the U.K were BLACK, so enough with the racism already.

    • mark

      No, it hasn’t been established that the majority were black yet. Also what do you mean by black? There are numerous other immigrants of color in England: Indians, Pakistanis, Trinidadians, Arabs, mixed-race Caribbean people, etc. that are not of wholly African-descent but are people of color who are often lumped together under the simplistic category of black.

      • Jyrine

        How about this smart-ass. In an interview with a Brit on a British TV station he said “These darkies aren’t British. They don’t belong here.”

  • Bert Cundle

    We are headed for The Whip Master, un shackled…
    Recognized Slavery, at the horrizen!
    Opressive Orgs.: Catholics, Communism, Capitolism, & Governments.

  • Angel Wannabe

    Unrest is already here, it started in Wisconcin with Walker and I believe also unrest erupted at the Wisconcin State Fair.
    Philadelphia Pa, there is now a curfew for under 18 for rioting. The Mall, located just a 3 miles from us, had about 75-100 Union Members protesting the Verizon Store, and had to get and injunction to stop the Protesters from blocking Verizon from doing business. It’s already here folks and its spreading.
    I wish G.Beck was wrong, but he isn’t, and neither was anyone else who warned us of the coming events.

    • libertytrain

      yes, Angel, even the State Fair was subjected to unbelievable violence.

      • Angel Wannabe

        libertytrain, Its been reported, especially these “Flash Mobs” in Philly are mostly organizing on Social Media Sites.
        Incidently_I have to hand BIG Kudos to Mayor Nutter Of Philadelphia, he’s called these hoodlums out on it. And holding Parents responsible as well.

        • Angel Wannabe

          LT, I hit submit before I wanted to__I’ll lay Two to One, that if the Violence continues to organize on the Web, that’s going to give the GUV, the leverage they need to control the content on the internet._ The writings on the wall in Graffiti.

          • libertytrain

            Interesting thought. One thing I had seen or read is that the minorities don’t tend to use computers, however, they do use their cell phones to access the net – or each other. Where was it London I think where they disabled cell phone services in the tunnels last week — I can’t remember where I read it, maybe it was here, but people were “unhappy” —

  • Jay

    Obama Purposely Destroying American Capitalism Before Our Own Eyes!

    Barack Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he’s doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos — thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within.

    Barack Obama is my college classmate (Columbia University , class of ’83). As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University . They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Add up the clues below. Taken individually they’re alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival … and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.

    Universal healthcare. The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesn’t care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?

    Cap and trade. Like health care legislation having nothing to do with health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama’s biggest contributors. Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants. They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power. The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars, bigger homes and businesses helps Obama “spread the wealth around.”

    Make Puerto Rico a state. Why? Who’s asking for a 51st state? Who’s asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers. But this has been Obama’s plan all along. His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government.

    Legalize 12 million illegal immigrants. Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America . But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government. Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security.

    Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go? It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions — including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions). A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues). All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America . The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful. The ends justify the means.

    Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama). Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government. Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition.
    With the acts outlined above, Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system.

    Add it up and you’ve got the perfect Marxist scheme — all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Obama using the Cloward and Piven Plan.

    • Bob from SoCal

      Good post Jay,
      This country has become sick. We need to starve these socialist tumors out to heal this land.

      • Jay

        Starving the blood sucking obama socialist parasite is already in progress.

        Under Obama the wealthy are striking, voting with their feet. They are moving to low-tax red states in droves, escaping from high-tax blue states where they are being demonized and punished by the millions.

        The Census proves that Obama’s tax and spend philosophy is a dismal failure, an economic disaster killing jobs. It is no coincidence that 1.9 million FEWER Americans are working than before Obama’s stimulus. It is no coincidence that jobs are not returning to the private sector.

        It is no coincidence that tax revenues have dropped dramatically and cannot support Obama’s bloated Big Brother government. The innovators, risk-takers, and wealthy he demonized and punished are on strike.

        The high tech revolution has killed the progressive-liberal tax-and-spend dream. Because of the Internet, email, Facebook, Twitter, Skype, Satellite TV, I-phones, I-pads, and cell phones, business owners are no longer prisoners of Big Brother.

        Take a look at states where the latest Census shows Americans moved during the past decade: Nevada, Texas, Arizona, Florida, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alaska, Virginia — all low- or no-tax red states, states that lead the USA in economic freedom.

        The scum-sucking, obama-parasite-army see their demise is on the horizon, and they are pissed and scared sh**less. They will now desperately fight tooth and nail, lie, cheat, steal, anything to stop the gravy train from being taken out of their possession, but it won’t work! Why? To many of us are awake and aware. We’ve got them down on the ground, let’s stomp them out of extinction!

    • mark

      But none of this has been accomplished! And can’t be because most of it is politically impossible and the author, Wayne Allen Root, knows it, even if the readers of this blog don’t. Obama has not raised anyone’s taxes, Puerto Rico is not a state and probably will not be one for decades. Its statehood is not a central part of Obama’s agenda. Obama has not made citizens of 12 million illegal aliens, he has passed no broad amnesty bill like Ronald Reagan infamously did in 1986. Newsflash: Cap-and-Trade was defeated. And as for the stimulus/bail-out, he’s right much of stimulus helped state workers but the overwhelming amount of bail-outs were authorized by George W. Bush in September 2008 five months before Obama’s inauguration AND THEY ALL WENT TO THE BIG BANKS AND WALL STREET INVESTMENT HOUSES, $700 billion worth of taxpayer money! This was a Bush-enacted plan like amnesty was Reagans! None of this giant giveaway to the banks helped a single union cause in anyway. The auto bailout (started by Bush also) gave $60 billion to the auto companies one-eleventh of what the corporate banks boys got! So much for the vast union conspiracy! And ACORN has been shut down for a year and a half! This article is a joke, the delirious ravings of a right-winger who knows the vast majority of it will never come to pass but just wants to stir up the Tea Party crowd regardless of the truth.

  • JeffH

    Secret Service secrets by wild Bill-US Marshall.

    • Jay

      Ha ha, Jeff, good video and not at all surprising. The libs are the nastiest, racist’s on the planet, no doubt about it! Gooood one, thanks!

      • JeffH

        Jay, our friend TIME hooked me up with the link.

  • Bob from SoCal

    This chaos has been planned for a long time. The globalist tyrants want us to riot in the streets, so they can bring down a heavy boot on our heads. Their police state is just about in place. The thing that they don’t understand is the the U.S. is not like any other country. They try to manipulate us through Psyops, and False Flag operations, but the American people are waking up and getting wise to their plans. Keep your eyes wide open, because they must have something up their sleve. Watch for the false flag terrorist attack if the economic collapse doesn’t work out the way they planned. Their motto is order out of chaos. Wake up people and don’t fall for their lies.

  • LTC (Rt) Ray Burke

    Thank the Lord for the gun owners. They may be our last and best resort. I, for one, don’t intend to be forced to my knees and take a bullet in the back of my head. I’d much rather die on my feet, fighting the good fight.

    • Bob from SoCal

      Amen, I’m with ya!

  • Jay

    Farrakhan, threatens America.

    “Brothers and sisters, Barack Obama to me, is a herald of the Messiah. Barack Obama is like the trumpet that alerts you something new, something better is on the way,” [Farrakhan]

    So spoke Farrakhan (Odious One) on Saviors Day, Feb. 24 in his 27th in his official endorsement of Barack Hussein Obama. Here’s the rest of farrakkan’s mindless, and idiotic blathering and allusions to obama as the messiah:

    Farrakkan: God has sent down His decision. His intention is the total destruction of America.

    …America is number one on God’s list to be destroyed.

    … America will never rise to be an independent nation again.

    Yes folks, I am quoting directly from Farrakhan’s own article on the NOI website. His exact words. America will be destroyed. Destroyed, and for a very specific reason, because “white” folks created an America with murder and injustice at its root-

    Farrakkan: If White folk created or made a world that is unjust—lies, murder and stealing are at the root of this world—then this world can have no permanence in God’s universe of truth.So there would come a time when this world would be judged and destroyed. When we’re talking about judgment, in this case we’re talking about God forming a decision that comes down against America and against this world.

    Farrakkan: God has decided to destroy America, because he judges America on the basis of White America’s treatment of Blacks.

    Farrakkan: What is your position, Black man, in this judgment? Whether you know it or not, you are the reason why God is judging America.

    Farrakkan: It is your mistreatment at the hands of White people that has caused God to send down His judgment on America.

    Barry Obama’s has a place in this Divine judgment of White America:

    Farrakkan: Whenever God gets ready to destroy any people He sends that people a warner, and the warner is always raised from among the oppressed.

    Farrakkan: Obama, is the warner. A warner is the herald. Farrakhan is clear that the oppressed refers to African-Americans.

    Farrakkan: If America is going down, and she is, who are the oppressed? It’s … you (Blacks). …you have been totally destroyed. And that’s why God is angry with America

    Just in case there happen to be those among Farrakhan’s followers, that don’t like the notion of destruction, and have too much mercy in their heart:

    Farrakkan: You may forgive her but I don’t know that God ever will.

    Because according to the founder of the Nation of Islam, whose words Farrakhan uses to express his ideas

    Farrakkan: White America will be destroyed mercilessly, that not even her own (White) brother or sister will show mercy on her.

    Readers may wonder, does any of this relate to the presidential vote? Farrakhan bluntly states

    Farrakkan: You are in the valley of decision. What are you going to do?

    Decide, um vote? Well,

    Farrakkan: She [America] is going to have to do something real big to get out from under what’s coming.

    What does Farrakhan suggest we do?

    Farrakkan: I intend to make this known very clearly to America.

    And make it clear he did -five days latter, with these words

    “Brothers and sisters, Barack Obama to me, is a herald of the Messiah. Barack Obama is like the trumpet that alerts you something new, something better is on the way,” [Farrakhan]

  • Jay

    The U.S. economy is crumbling. Businesses are collapsing in record numbers. Jobs have disappeared. Tax revenues are down dramatically. Coincidence?

    Everything happening today under Obama resembles the storyline of Ayn Rand’s famous book, Atlas Shrugged, one of the most popular books of all time, selling over 7 million copies. Now, under President Obama, Atlas Shrugged has come to life. Rand prophesized a country dominated by socialists, Marxists and statists, where looters, free loaders and poverty promoters live off the productive class. To rationalize the fleecing of innovative business owners and job creators, the looter class demonized the wealthy, just as Obama and his socialist cabal are doing in real life today.

    The central plot of Atlas Shrugged is that in response to being demonized, over-taxed, over-regulated, and punished for success, America’s business owners were disappearing — dropping off the grid, and refusing to work 16-hour days to support those unwilling to put in the same blood, sweat and tears. They were going on strike. Because of that the original proposed title of “Atlas Shrugged” was “The Strike.”

    They were going on strike to teach that civilization cannot survive when people are slaves to government. That without a productive class of innovative business owners willing to risk their own money and work 16-hour days, weekends and holidays, there are no jobs and no taxes to pay for government. If you punish the wealthy, the risk-takers, the innovators, you kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. In

    Obama’s America, fiction is becoming fact.

    The lesson of Atlas Shrugged is that without the $100,000+ earners paying into Social Security, there are no pensions for the poor and lower middle class.

    Without the wealthy owners of million-dollar mansions paying $25,000 and $50,000 annual property tax bills, there is no funding for public schools. Without the wealthy paying into Medicare, there is no “free” healthcare for the elderly.

    Without capitalists motivated by profit, there are no discoveries to eradicate polio or create miraculous cancer and AIDS drugs. Without capitalists motivated by profit, there are no jobs, period! That is what happens when the producers of society go on strike to protect themselves from the looters.

    Ayn Rand was warning the looters that there are consequences to their overzealous actions. She was warning that if the productive classes felt used, demonized, ripped off, and taken for granted, they would go on strike — stop working, retire early, go underground, or move to places where achievement is celebrated and they feel appreciated.

    The latest U.S. Census proves Ayn Rand right.

    Under Obama the wealthy are striking, voting with their feet. They are moving to low-tax red states in droves, escaping from high-tax blue states where they are being demonized and punished by the millions.

    The Census proves that Obama’s tax and spend philosophy is a dismal failure, an economic disaster killing jobs. It is no coincidence that 1.9 million FEWER Americans are working than before Obama’s stimulus. It is no coincidence that jobs are not returning to the private sector.

    It is no coincidence that tax revenues have dropped dramatically and cannot support Obama’s bloated Big Brother government. The innovators, risk-takers, and wealthy he demonized and punished are on strike.

    The high tech revolution has killed the progressive-liberal tax-and-spend dream. Because of the Internet, email, Facebook, Twitter, Skype, Satellite TV, I-phones, I-pads, and cell phones, business owners are no longer prisoners of Big Brother.

    Take a look at states where the latest Census shows Americans moved during the past decade: Nevada, Texas, Arizona, Florida, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alaska, Virginia — all low- or no-tax red states, states that lead the USA in economic freedom.

    • Karolyn

      Yeah, take a look at where “economic freedom” has gotten South Carolina! Ha! One of the poorest states in the union, as well as #1 in assault and #10 in rape in the whole country. It also has one of the highest obesity rates in the country and is a leader in domestic violence. The good ole boy mentality is alive and well here!

      • Raggs

        Yeah and then what happens when these fat people quit having babies without daddies and they stop beating each other over a free biscuit?

      • Jay

        That is a complete fabrication Karolyn. You free-loading libs are getting so desperate you’ll do and say anything. Your end is near, and so is the end of your messiah!

        • mark

          No, those are actually the stats on S.C.

      • DaveH

        What makes you think South Carolina is Economically Free, Karolyn?
        Nice try. But next time get some backup:

        • DaveH

          Most economically free states:
          South Dakota: #1 in EF. Unemployment 4.8%
          New Hamshire: #2 in EF. Unemployment 4.9%
          North Dakota: #3 in EF. Unemployment 3.2%
          Idaho: #4 in EF. Unemployment 9.4%
          Virginia: #5 in EF. Unemployment 6.0%

          Least economically free states:
          Hawaii: #46 in EF. Unemployment 6.0%
          New Jersey: #47 in EF. Unemployment 9.5%
          California: #48 in EF. Unemployment 11.8%
          Alaska: #49 in EF. Unemployment 7.5%
          New York: #50 in EF. Unemployment 8.0%

        • Karolyn

          Dave – I was responding to Jay’s article, which states that. Second time in this discussion I’ve responded appropriately to posts and been called on my responses for no reason! Apparently, someone is not following the threads.

    • mark

      Obama has definitely spent more. But he hasn’t increased taxes, he’s cut them. I get more in my take home pay than before due first the temporary tax cut of Obama and the reduction in the Social Security and Medicare deduction. State tax increases is another matter but Obama has no control over them.

    • Simian Pete

      Hey Jay !

      I’ve been on strike since 1986 …

      • Simian Pete

        … July 4, 1986 .. Yep .. went on strike ! Thank you Ayn Rand ! Great to be alive !!

  • Karolyn

    Short piece on the lack of empathy of the wealthy from “Too Much, an online weekly on excess and inequality”:

    Understanding Our National Empathy Deficit

    Michael Kraus, Paul Piff, and Dacher Keltner, Social Class as Culture: The Convergence of Resources and Rank in the Social Realm. Current Directions in Psychological Science, August 2011.

    Patriotism, as Samuel Johnson suggested long ago, may be the last refuge of scoundrels. Philanthropy, on the other hand, has always been the first refuge of the rich and powerful.

    The more wealth the wealthy accumulate, rationalizers for the rich love to contend, the more they will shower down on those in need.

    In fact, little of the philanthropy wealthy people do on a regular basis flows to people in actual need. Far more goes to bankrolling new wings of fine-arts museums — plastered with the names of the donors, of course — or subsidizing mahogany-windowed new dormitories at elite alma maters.

    University of California social scientists Michael Kraus, Paul Piff, and Dacher Keltner have just published new research that takes a deeper look at this phenomenon. They’ve mined the experimental literature — and conducted experiments of their own — to better fathom how class impacts our humanity.

    The three researchers have run people of means — and people without them — through an assortment of exercises and tests that track for compassion and caring. They’ve had their subjects play games, for instance, that involve giving away real money. The various experiments all show a consistent pattern.

    “Lower class people just show more empathy,” co-author Dacher Keltner noted in an interview last week, “no matter how you look at it.”

    The empathy here, Keltner and his colleagues stress, comes from real-life experience, not anything innate.

    People of modest means, the scholars point out, don’t have the resources to control their own environments. They have to depend on others. They learn, in the process, how to read other’s emotions. They become more empathetic.

    People from wealthy households, by contrast, don’t have to depend nearly as much on others. Their wealth and “higher station in life” give them the luxury of focusing much more single-mindedly on self. They have less need to understand what other people are feeling. Over time, they feel and show less empathy.

    This dynamic, observes Keltner, has clear implications for trickle-down public policy approaches that expect the rich to demonstrate a hefty dose of nobless oblige. That expectation, he notes bluntly, rates as “improbable, psychologically.”

    “Our data,” Keltner sums up, “say you cannot rely on the wealthy to give back.”

    Our society’s scoundrels will no doubt disagree.

    • coal miner


      A quote from our beloved Albert Einstein:About the superly wealthy.

      “Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of the smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.”

      • Jay

        coal miner, this is old news. Most intelligent people are well aware that einstein was a socialist gnat!

        • denniso

          An ignorant and tiny ideologue insulting a giant in science and the pursuit of world peace? And could you tell all of us just what it is that you’ve ever done in your life that has a scintilla of worth or merit?

  • Thinking About

    It is time to get the parasites off the backs of American tax payers. Corporate welfare should never have gotten started and this is also for farm handouts. I don’t like capable people not working. Big problem is not having jobs to work on. For the earlier post of low income people getting $10,000 check from the government, l would like to know which line that happens in. For Congress members who wants to lower the minimal wage, the first one who jumps up and wants to live on $15,000 a year and then we will talk about lowering the wage to the point they are willing to live on. Compare their annual salary to the $10,000 a month Texans pays in rent for Perry because mrs perry does not want to live in the state mansion.

    • http://deleted Claire

      Thinking About– The Perrys sound like the Blagos here in Illinois. The Blagos didn’t want to live in the mansion here in Springfield either. They lived in Chicago and the shyster flew back and forth almost every day at the taxpayers expense.

  • Raggs

    The imposter in the white house has NO clue other than to blame.

    If this is any furture program that America has than America will be dead inside…. The lifeless welfare unions will die as well, maybe this will be a fresh start?

  • exbobbie

    Mark you are wrong. If you look at my monicker you will see what I was. I don’t get my information from the MSM in England or here, I get it from the contacts I still have within the force. You are right about the different ethnic groups in England from Pakistan, India, Caribbean etc, but the majority of them are black, some blacker than others, but they sure are not white. In the U.S we have one group that we class as black, African Americans, In England they classify them all as black, now this may not sit well with our politically correct lefties here or in England, but that’s the way it is and they use it all the time to their advantage. Mark before you go off on another of your tirades answer me this, is Barack Obama black, he claims he is, yet in truth he’s half white, do you classify him as a white man or a black man?

    • mark

      Dear exbobbie, Barak Obama is a mulatto not a black. He is half white, half black, the classic example of a mulatto as he would be called in Latin America and the Caribbean.

  • chuckb

    just in case nobody is paying attention, the glorious leader and his entourage are now traveling in three new buses at a cost of millions of dollars. the glorious leader must travel in luxury on his campaign trail.
    it seems strange that the bolsheviks constantly rant about the rich and powerful depriving them of a living and envious of their income, while their hero lives, vacations and travels in luxury that no other president has enjoyed.
    will this instigate any riots, will they topple his bus and burn it, hell no, this is their god (the grand exalted comrade).
    we will probably see trouble pop up as this campaign enters next year or maybe this fall. the media is priming the ghetto’s with this constant talk of the black un-employment level.
    the sorry part of this story, the muslim in chief is without doubt the worse president to ever set in the wh.
    it would be very interesting to have an accounting for the 2009 stimulus money, part was pocketed by the unions, some to education and healthcare. he should be locked up for the fraud. then he and the bolsheviks want to blame corporate america for the same thing they are doing.

    • Raggs

      Ah c(s)hucks….

      A patriot … :)

    • mark

      The majority of Obama’s campaign trips are paid for by his reelection campaign committee that raises millions of private and corporate donations from all over the country – not by the taxpayer. Other presidential domestic travel that often involves political self-aggrandizement IS paid for by the taxpayers. BUT THIS IS TRUE FOR EVERY STANDING PRESIDENT WHO SEEKS RE-ELECTION. Nixon, Reagan, JFK, FDR, Eisenhower, Bush, Clinton, they all did it, so to single out Obama for using Airforce One for some political trips is grossly hypocritical but I know this will not discourage anyone here.

      • JeffH

        mark, mark, mark…how many different ways can you say baaa and mehhh?

      • chuckb

        mark, wrong as usual, that’s why when confronted about who’s paying for the campaign trip, he quipped this is government business, the tax payers are footing the bill. furthermore, even bill clinton who comes in second never mis-used taxpayers money more than this clown.

      • DaveH

        So, Mark, where do you think he gets those donations from? Is it the welfare recipients who vote for him? Or is it the Super-Rich who pushed him to the top?
        Could it be that Obama is aiding those who you despise?

  • Jay

    Over the next year you are going to hear a lot of rhetoric about Obama and how no one can beat him. About how weak the Republican field of candidates are, and how they are too weak to make a difference. Obama has likely already lost in 2012. He just doesn’t know it yet, and those around him are unwilling to tell him.

    I am going to go out on a limb(although it is a rather large solid limb from where I am sitting), and tell you that you have little to worry about( unless John McCain gets back in and wins the nomination). What’s in the pot is Obama’s Presidential goose.

    Here’s the rationale:

    The economic outlook is weakening. It is weakening rather quickly. This weakening is going to show it’s ugly head in the Summer and Fall of 2012. Corporate profit growth, what I believe is the key to employment growth is weakening rather rapidly. When year over year growth rates fall below 6%, private sector employment shrinks. Corporate profits today are only slightly higher than in the third quarter of 2006. With six million fewer private sector employees working today to get to the same level of profits, there is no hope to return those jobs under the current US economic structure. The rate of profit growth needed to return all those folks to work is simply not going to happen.

    First quarter corporate profits were released this week. Year over year corporate profit growth slipped from 29.16% at the end of 2010 to 21.47% at the end of first quarter 2011. At this rate, we are six months from signalling a contraction in total private sector employment four quarters down the road. The growth rate was 35.37% at the end of the third quarter of 2010. This was profit growth compared to very weak quarters from the previous years. So the easy comparisons are way over.

    There is nothing on the American economic horizon that would allow us to speculate that corporate profits are poised to rebound their growth over the next six months. Companies like Lowe’s and Cisco and others are already drastically lowering their outlook for the rest of 2011.

    Government debt, more regulations for business, Obama’s administration stepping in and stopping the free movement of corporations from one state to another to improve profitability, higher fuel costs, higher food costs, and other items are just some of the reasons I feel that fewer dollars will be flowing to the bottom line, not more.

    So this is what is going to turn the heat up on Obama’s goose cooking as we speak. Over the next 12 months, we will hear relentlessly about the Obama recovery. We will hear about the jobs growth we have had and the Obama administration will, of course, dismiss any ideas that it is weakening. They will say it is not where they would like it, but it is headed in the right direction. They are very wrong. By surrounding himself with people that haven’t a clue on what drives the private sector economy, there is no sense of cause and effect in the White House. So there are no efforts to address the problems we face in the economy. At least not real solutions that affect the real causes.

    There is nothing that this administration can do in the short term to turn this around, even if they were to understand and grasp these concepts. It takes at least a year for the changes made to start to be felt within the economy. But when you have a political party such as the democrats that attacks the very item that drives job growth, and I am talking about profits, you know they do not understand. You cannot attack profits and promote job growth at the same time. At least not in the private sector.

    I predict that just at the final stages of the Presidential Election cycle kick off, the often touted Obama Recovery will gasp it’s last breath. The most important thing is that Obama will own this outright. The days of blaming Bush will be over. Obama may try, but we will have become immune to it’s effects. He will have taken too much credit to be successful a second time at the Blame Bush game.

    The Obama administration will not be able to offer any steps, plans or promises to improve the situation. If his opponents are smart, they will use snippets of his own speeches against him. The American people, once again facing higher unemployment, will have had enough. Hope for Change will not be enough.

    A word or two on the Republican candidates: Those that are dropping out of the race before it has even started likely do not understand the dynamics of profits, employment growth and the economic cycle any better than Obama. So it is good they are going. If they did understand, they would realize that the last person standing in the Republican Party will be odds on favorite by September 2012.

    We are simply not going to support a sitting President in office as unemployment rises. The Obama recovery was not strong enough to erase the memories of the last downturn. For most of us, these memories are painful and fresh.

    While some will be shocked at the outcome for a President that was so loved by mainstream media, you will have known that Presidential goose has been cooking for months. They will blame racism, hate, greed, and anything else than can throw.

    But you and I will know better.

  • Raggs

    Face it… The left is pissed because nobody wants to lug them around their neck anymore.
    Oblamas FAILED poicy of entitlements to the worthless lazy unions is all but over.

  • Tinman

    After reading all these post; I going to get my lawn chairs, 50cal, my cooler full of beer and sit back and watch the world BURN – The first one to bother me gives up the ghost as is with anyone else. moral of the story “Do not bother anyone who is not bothering you”!!!!!!

    • JeffH

      …sounds like a plan… :)

  • grayfox255

    I believe everyone should pay in the same percentage of their earnings across the board no exemptions. I tired of barely making ends meet and seeing an illegal buying steaks with food stamps. Why should we pay full tuition for a foreign student when we can’t afford for our own kids to go to college? Why can certain nationalities come to America, start up a business, and not pay taxes for seven years? Then they turn around and put it under a cousin’s name and the cycle starts over again. I’ve worked hard all my life. Have fought for my country twice and now have to finance my own disability because it’s not at 40%. Why does Uncle Sam pay farmers not to farm certain acres when that could be used to grow food for our hungry? I say it’s time we started taking care of our own first and the others if we have the extra money. They’re still going to hate us anyway. Only difference is that now they have a full stomach. I say if the mideast raises the price of oil then raise the price of the wheat we sell to them. Lets see if they can drink their oil.

    • 45caliber

      I agree completely.

  • Jay

    Dear White Liberal America
    By Lloyd Marcus

    Thank you very, very much. You see us poor helpless inferior blacks (oh forgive me, I must be politically correct, “African Americans”), and you want to help us using your superior intellect. After all, we could not possibly succeed in this racist, homophobic and greedy country without your assistance.

    I first met you guys in the 70s when I attended the prestigious Maryland Institute College of Art on a scholarship. A black kid from the ghetto, I found myself amongst white kids from well to do families. I worked a part-time job to cover my books and art supplies. You guys did not have to work.

    And yet, I remember many conversations about how you would never bring a child into this “freaking world” and how “freaking screwed up” this “freaking country is”. You told me how “freaking selfish” your “freaking parents” were and how they only cared about “freaking money”. Then, you drove off in your convertible given to you be your “freaking parents” as I stood at the bus stop.

    I can not thank you enough for the numerous times you shared your expensive premmo weed with me. While I enjoyed the free weed (of which I’ve long ceased to indulge) and rebellious chicks, in all honesty, I could not figure out what you were so p-o-ed about.

    So, now you former hippie boomers are in total control of government, colleges and public schools, still selling your Utopian message of peace and love. Thanks for getting rid of black dads in the home via your welfare programs. I mean, everyone knows dads are cruel chauvinists who beat and molest their kids.

    Oh, and thanks for encouraging schools to accept black kids speaking Ebonics rather than English. It would be racist to expect us simple minded colored folks to learn to speak English correctly. And besides, we don’t want our black kids sounding too white. Authentic blacks must sound like the hood, love rap and Kentucky Fried. I would never trust any black that eats “sushi”; which is probably what those traitors, former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas eat. If Justice Thomas would have answered his phone with a “What up!” and a heartfelt “A-muri-ka sucks”, the NAACP would have championed him as a true brother faithful to his blackness. Sadly, Rice and “Uncle Thomas” as we call him, chose the character, education and hard work route to success. How disgusting!

    Yes, you libs are soooo good to us. I really appreciate “b” actresses like Janeane Garofalo putting that Uncle Tom, RNC Chairman, Michael Steele in his place when she said he suffered from Stockholm Syndrome. How dare he not view himself as a victim of white America. How dare he empower young blacks with the knowledge that they can achieve without liberal intervention. What an ungrateful, well, you know the word I’m thinking. It begins with an “N”.

    In closing, you libs, please keep up the good work. With your continued diligence, we minorities and most Americans will not have to work or be responsible for anything. Your president is in the process of confiscating the wealth from those greedy rich white SOBs and redistributing it to us. Right on!

    Now, if I can just figure out how to tie my shoes all by myself. But if I can’t, I know you libs are there for me. Fighting back tears of overwhelming gratitude, again, I thank you.

    Cordially yours,

    Lloyd Marcus

    Lloyd Marcus, Singer/Songwriter of the “American Tea Party Anthem”, is President, NAACPC (National Association for the Advancement of Conservative People of Color) and star of the Lloyd Marcus TV Show.
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  • Jay

    Lloyd Marcus Responds to Black Tea Party Critic.
    Sunday, August 7th, 2011Mr. Walter Smith included me in his list of email recipients. Here is an excerpt.

    “Does any one know Lloyd Marcus?

    Since when did African Americans become so equal that they could afford to support groups that are obviously anti-Black. Does he not know that a vote against Barack Obama is a vote against all African Americans?”

    Dear Mr. Smith. I usually delete hate mail from the left. Because your email did not begin with the typical calling me numerous expletives and the “n” word, I will reply.

    I find it amazing how blind you are regarding YOUR racism. You call millions of Americans, many who voted for Obama, “obviously anti-Black” because they disapprove of his socialistic agenda . So, because we have a black president, any and all criticism is automatically deemed to be racist. Last time I checked, this is still America where folks have a right to disagree regardless of the president’s skin color.

    In response to your statement: “Does he not know that a vote against Barack Obama is a vote against all African Americans?”

    Good lord Mr. Smith, not only is this statement absurd, it is evil. You are instructing black Americans not to consider who Obama is as a human being. According to you, Obama’s values, principles and vision for America are irrelevant.

    In essence, you are saying Obama’s skin color MUST trump EVERYTHING! Can you not see the immorality of such thinking? What if white America followed your lead. “If you do not vote for the white guy, you are voting against all white Americans.” Only a white skin head would make such an idiotic, evil proclamation.

    But then, you probably do not consider black racism to be immoral. I suspect you view America’s sin of slavery, a ga-zillion years ago, as a gold credit card entitling blacks to limitless acts of racism.

    Mr Smith, over 50% of black babies are aborted which Obama supports via Planned Parenthood. Obama supports gay marriage. Black unemployment has risen to an unprecedented high under Obama.

    As a Christian, Obama’s agenda does not “jive” with my values. You are insisting that I worship Obama’s skin color over my God. I will not.

    Good day, Mr Smith. You are in my prayers.

    Lloyd Marcus, Proud Unhyphenated American

    Co-Chairman of The Campaign to Defeat Barack Obama.
    Please help me spread my message by joining my Liberty Network.

    Lloyd is singer/songwriter of the American Tea Party Anthem and author of Confessions of a Black Conservative, foreword by Michele Malkin

  • Kate8

    Jay, As usual, great, insightful articles.

    • JeffH

      Kate8, Jay is my kinda people…with a strong offense…

  • Sadr City

    Just shoot rioters and looters. What the hell, they are endangering you, your family and property. They will shoot, stab, or rape your family-doesn’t make any difference if they are black, white, or yellow.

  • chuckb

    jay, outstanding comments as usual. marcus was with the tea party that visited our city a few years back. a good american citizen.

  • Twila

    It will happen here. The next president and God forbid it is Obama, has their work cut out for them as cuts will have to be done harshly. The problem with growing an entitlement country is that people expect the freebies and revolt when they have to end. Then they try to take it from other people.And congress had better wise up. They have had it too good too long. They run the country not the President. And they are doing real poorly with it. They are so out of touch. Most are just thinking of getting re-elected due to the good pay and perks and retirement, and power, etc. They don’t care about representing their constituents. Or most don’t.

  • Simian Pete

    Ron Paul for President !!! All the way !! 110 percent dudes and dudettes !!!!

    It any of you vote for any other candidate for President, YOU ARE JUST COMMITTING SUICIDE ! But that’s your choice …. If RON PAUL isn’t elected President in 2012 – we might not have a second chance ..

    Don’t PANIC !! Just vote for Ron Paul. Don’t worry … if Ron Paul isn’t elected then most of you (99%) will probably lose everything…
    Don’t get anxious … if Ron Paul loses we will probably end up being a 3rd world nation in about a decade … no big thing !!

    Hopefully your local zoning boards will loosen up and allow you all to build little shanty “homes” out of old cardboard, wood, and whatever else you can “scrounge”. Most of you rich Republicans/Democrats who are buying/hoarding GOLD/SILVER – it will probably be taken by the ARMED LOOTING MOBS or the local COMMISSAR ….

  • exbobbie

    Dear Mark, don,t think Obama would be too happy to hear you call him by that title, after all he is Americas first Black President, or at least that is what his supporters, including the MSM, have been telling us. Tell you what, to avoid splitting any more hairs, lets just say that the majority of the looters and rioters were colored people of different shades of dark.

  • Rusty

    What do you expect form these mouchers?

  • Helana

    Denniso you said…”If we want to call all people,rich and poor alike,who take taxpayer money that they don’t deserve parasites and leeches,then I’m fine w/ that…but the rightwing won’t include in the parasite class the oil industry leeches who get $4billion/yr in taxpayer subsidies,or the CEO’s of private prison companies who make millions/yr and then lobby the gov’t for tougher laws so they can fill their prisons w/ taxpayer funded prisoners,or the fatcats who get thousands or millions in ranching or farming subsidies from taxpayer’s money,or what about the ultra wealthy who get subsidized healthcare in the form of Medicare? Sure, by all means,let’s call all the leeches and parasites what they are,but don’t just go after the little people who use the system to their advantage,go after all of them”…..

    I guess you don’t listen to well then. There are plenty of us on the Right..who are complaining about the oil subsidies, tthe CEO’s of private prisons and about the farm subsidies. I own two businesses of my own and I am a farmer and life is tough..for everyone. We work our butts off from sun up to sun down and then some. There are no ihr days here or 5 day weeks. Its more like 16hr days and 7 days a wk..and we don’t get any subsidies..nor do we want any. We believe in hard work. Oh and did I tell you…I am a disabled well educated, former military person..who studied nursing..graduated..have my RN and because of a Car accident by a drunk driver I can’t work as a nurse..I then studied law..I have my Paralegal degree..but had to have brain surgery because of the same accident injuries, so I couldn’t finish law school. I have rods in my back and nerve damage and so on…I should not be working..I live in pain daily..I stop breathing a lot. BUT…I own a wood working/candle making business and a Chicken Hatchery. I refuse a government handout. There are no Parasites on my farm..only Patriots. Be careful who you call a parasite..not all the people on the system are taking atvantage and abusing the system…some have no other choice. I could be one of them…my brother is going blind and deaf and has Epilepsy…he is not a parasite. He paid into the system till he couldn’t work anymore..and so did my father who has has a few strokes. Be careful what you say…by the way…what is it that you say you do..besides spew retoric?

    • denniso

      Helana…I’ve been self employed almost all of my adult life,w/ 4 different businesses. I’m sorry for your health problems,and those of your family. You seemed to have missed my point…it’s not me calling people leeches,its Bob Livingston and most rightwingers here. I’m trying to say that if they want to call regular people parasites, like your brother and father who are helped by gov’t benefits because of their dire health problems,then they should also call the wealthy who take subsidies and handouts they don’t deserve or need,parasites.

      Did you miss the budget ceiling debate? The Repubs,lead by the tea party,stopped any cuts in spending that would take away the subsidies for oil and gas that come to $4billion/yr. The Repubs refuse to ‘means test’ social security and medicare so that the very wealthy wouldn’t be eligible. I have seen almost no rightwingers on this site complain about the tax money paying for the oil/gas subsidies,or the excessive salaries for the CEO’s in the defense industry,paid for by your tax money.

      If your father and brother are receiving any gov’t benefits to help them survive their major problems,then you and they should not be supporting the rightwing,who want to cut out that very thing and continue the hundreds of billions in subsidies and bebefits for the wealthiest.

  • robt shrugged

    I believe that any one business, person, or orginazation that receives money from the government is a parasite. we went 90 years without parasites, and did well. when people through no fault of their own have hard times, freinds neighbors will help them because they see the problem and have a heart. when someone milks the people helping them then the help stops as it should. during the depression people helped each other and we got through it is spite of the federal government involvement. the depression lasted longer than it should have because of government intervention that hurt our economy. people will help when they see need, but when people scam someone the help stops and others see and also cease to help and rightfully so. if you are helping someone and you see them buying liqior instead of food you stop helping them because liqior is a luxury not a need. government does not care about that problem they just throw money at it and chalk it up to bad judgement, but that is not for government to decide. that is why the govermnemt should stay out of peoples lives. private charities do great work and i give to them because they do help the truely needy. enough said.

  • chuckb

    denniso, i have not seen nor heard any conservatives complaining about the needy getting welfare. they have been speaking out against healthy people living off the dole. your party is the one that moved the ss funds into the general fund in 1969 and the liberals have had a field day. they have welcomed illegals into the country using these funds for education, welfare and healthcare. this was not done as a matter of heart felt kindness, this was for political reasons, mainly potential votes.

    not only should congress cut off the oil company subsidies, they should cut off barrys failed green energy subsidies. this has been a complete failure and more so by the day. most eight graders with a brain can see thru this.

    the republicans in congress, especially the leaders are not representing the people who voted them there. you cannot protect those bolsheviks that lost their seats in 2010, i for one will vote against my congressman (republican) in 2012 for voting for the budget.

    maybe you should check out these rich and powerful ones who are receiving subsidies and follow the trail back to the bolsheviks themselves.

    • denniso

      Bob Livingston is a conservative…he made no distinction between those who need help and those who don’t. He puts them all together in the ‘parasite class’. Should people take care of themselves or their own family members if possible? Sure,but many can’t and that’s the issue. The millions of people laid off from good jobs when the economy crashed who can’t find another job need help until the economy can create enough new jobs…lower income people can’t possibly afford the ridiculous and soaring cost of healthcare…they need help. Many elderly cannot survive on their paltry SS or retirement money,since depending on where they live the cost of food and everything else has outstripped their means. They need help…Capitalism is fraught w/ it’s own problems and flaws that are not the fault of indivduals who mostly work and do their best in the face of economic forces way beyond their control.That’s why we need programs to keep society together and functioning.

  • Jay

    Friends of the Poor

    We know liberals are against poverty, right? Otherwise, why all that talk of making the rich pay their fair share. But if you actually look at socialist countries, the poor aren’t exactly coming out ahead. What’s the problem?

    The problem is that liberals are not into enriching the poor, but removing what they consider the upper class, and turning over control of the economy to themselves. But a centrally planned economy leads to more poverty, not less. Take away the ability to go up the economic ladder, and how can poverty end?

    It can’t. But ending poverty was never the idea. Wealth redistribution is a neat catchphrase, but the reality is that the rich and the middle class are purged to make way for a new rich and middle class composed of party members. Their brand of equality is not about helping the poor, but putting themselves in charge and imposing an artificial standard of fairness in order to build a perfect society.

    Before Communism came to Russia, the poor begged on the street. After Communism, begging was illegal and the poor were deported to labor camps as parasites. Because once society is made equal, anyone who’s still unequal must be an exploiter or a parasite.

    You can’t end poverty, except through opportunity, and that’s the one thing their social system doesn’t offer. It’s why America under Obama is poorer than ever. Jobs aren’t created by confiscating wealth, but by encouraging free enterprise. But when the goal isn’t to create jobs, but to create a static society where everyone knows their place, then their way is best. All totalitarian movements are at their heart, reactionary. Even if they’re cloaked in red t-shirts and rock concerts. And reactionary movements are often spearheaded by an upper class trying to deny social mobility to the working class. And when you take a magnifying glass to liberalism, that’s exactly what it looks like.

    Of course this isn’t an original observation. Orwell’s Oceania in 1984 worked on the same exact principle. Orwell was warning about the rise of a totalitarian left with no regard for human rights. But it’s already here.

    • denniso

      Poor are doing worse in Socialist countries? Which countries is that? Look at Denmark,Sweden and Norway…they have many fewer ‘poor’ people per capita,and they are Social Democracies,w/ some aspects of Socialism. We lead the developed world in the percent of poor people,and we are one of the most capitalist…figure that out!

      • Jay

        The Myth of the Scandinavian Model

        “America’s social model is flawed, but so is France’s,” the Parisian newspaper Le Monde recently wrote. According to Le Monde Europe should adopt the “Scandinavian model,” which is said to combine the economic efficiency of the Anglo-Saxon social model with the welfare state benefits of the continental European ones. On the eve of the EU’s Hampton Court Summit (October 27), one could even read that “Britain might be forced to discuss the advantages of Scandinavian models, which rely on more social security.”

        The praise for the Nordic model comes from Bruegel, a new Brussels-based think tank, “whose aim is to contribute to the quality of economic policymaking in Europe.” The think tank is a Franco-German government initiative and is heavily funded by EU governments and corporations. In October Bruegel published a study “Globalisation and the Reform of European Social Models” [pdf] propagating the Nordic model.

        A paper from the economics department of Ghent University does the same. This paper, Fiscal Policy Employment and Growth: Why is the Euro Area Lagging Behind, was also subsidized by the government. In the selection of data comparing the performance of EU economies, the authors arbitrarily eliminated Ireland, Spain and Portugal (three of the four best performing EU economies) from their research and added oil-producing non-EU member Norway (which has a GDP more than 20% of which is based on income from oil). It is hardly imaginable that professors of one of Belgium’s major universities would not be aware of how this arbitrary selection must distort the results. Hence one must read their text as an ideological pamphlet rather than a scientific study.

        However, despite Bruegel, distorted academic studies and the European media’s praise, the efficiency of the major Scandinavian economies is a myth. The Swedish and Finnish welfare states have been going through a long period of decline. In the early 1990s they were virtually bankrupt. Between 1990 and 1995 unemployment increased five-fold. The Scandinavian countries have not been able to recover.

        The implosion of the welfare state

        In 1970, Sweden’s level of prosperity was one quarter above Belgium’s. By 2003 Sweden had fallen to 14th place from 5th in the prosperity index, two places behind Belgium. According to OECD figures, Denmark was the 3rd most prosperous economy in the world in 1970, immediately behind Switzerland and the United States. In 2003, Denmark was 7th. Finland did badly as well. From 1989 to 2003, while Ireland rose from 21st to 4th place, Finland fell from 9th to 15th place.

        Together with Italy, these three Scandinavian countries are the worst performing economies in the entire European Union. Rather than taking them as an example, Europe’s politicians should shun the Scandinavian recipes.

        • denniso

          It’s not so simple as how much money a person can make in a given country,it’s what that money can buy and how it provides for the quality of life of the people. Every index that quantifies quality of life puts us down below places like Italy,France and way below the Scandinavian countries.Just so you rightwingers know, there is more to life than just a certain amount of money…even Scrooge McDuck knows that.

  • Jay

    One of the leftwing elites favorite “talking points” is the increased inequality between America’s wealthy and her poor. This is true, but when the left speaks, the truth generally leaves town and this is no exception.

    Yes, the gap between the poorest 20% in America and the wealthiest continues to grow, but so what? What is the proper response to this economic fact; more importantly, is any response necessary?

    The lie from the left generally uses the income gap to justify higher taxes on the rich and greater entitlements for the poor. If we all lived in a closed compound where no one else could enter or leave, and the only problem we wanted to solve was income inequality, this would surely work.

    The fatal flaw in the left’s rant is that we do not live in such a society.

    The More Rich the Better!

    One of the blessings of 2010 has been the way the American people have begun to learn the truth about job creation in the private sector. As I have discussed in the past, the only people on earth who actually invest money in “new job creating businesses” in America are the rich.

    If we allow the government to raise taxes on the rich, they will have less money to invest in creating new jobs and fewer private sector jobs will be available. This is exactly what has happened since Obama and the dems took over.

    Since the rich take great risks when they invest in starting new companies, they earn great rewards when they succeed. It is economically impossible for the private sector to grow without the people who own the businesses that have succeeded making money (for more in this see “Blame the Rich for High Unemployment”).

    So, the rich must get richer for the country to succeed; to suggest otherwise is both foolish and dishonest. The question is not why are the rich getting richer, but why are the poor getting poorer?

    The Rise of America’s Poor

    The truth behind the growing income inequality in America is not that the rich are getting richer; it’s that the poor are not getting wealthier at the same rate. The key question is why?

    One of my favorite economists, Mark Perry of the University of Michigan recently did a detailed analysis of key differences between each of the 5 major income groups in America and discovered that they differed in more ways than one!

    Here is a summary of some of the key differences between low-income and high-income households in America:

    1. On average, there are more income earners per household in higher-income households (an average of 2.05 earners per household for the top quintile) than earners per household in the lower-income households (0.48 earners for the lowest quintile).

    2. Married-couple households represent a much greater share of the top income quintile households (79 percent for the top fifth) than the bottom quintile households (18 percent for the bottom fifth).

    3. More than 3 out of 4 households in the top fifth include individuals in their prime earning years between the ages of 35 and 64, compared to only 43 percent of households in the bottom fifth who are in their prime earning years.

    4. Households in the bottom income quintile are 1.5 times more likely to be in the youngest age group (under 35 years) than the highest quintile households, and three times more likely to be in the oldest age group (65 years and over) than the top income quintile.

    5. Almost four times as many top quintile households include at least one adult who is working full-time (78 percent) compared to the bottom quintile (only 20.8 percent include an adult working full-time), and more than five times as many households in the bottom quintile include adults who are not working at all (65 percent of those households) compared to top quintile households (only 12.2 percent of those households’ family members did not work at all in 2009).

    6. Family members of the households in the top-income quintile are almost seven times more likely to have a college degree (72.8 percent) compared to members of households in the bottom income quintile (only 10.8 percent).

    Bottom Line: The top income quintile of American households has four times more people working on average (2.08 earners) than the lowest quintile (0.48 earners), and individuals in higher-income households are far more likely than lower-income households to be well-educated, married, and working full time in their prime earning years. In contrast, individuals in low-income households are far more likely than high-income households to be less-educated and working part time, and either very young or very old, and living in single-parent households.

    Clearly Perry lays the blame for the growing income gap at the feet of education, which naturally leads us to the question — are we doing enough to educate our poor?

    The answer to this question has two parts; are we spending enough money and are we spending it correctly?

    The answer to the first question is a resounding YES. No matter what measure you look at, the US ranks 1st, 2nd or 3rd in terms of the amount of money we generously invest in public education. And, the amount invested has been growing at biblical proportions for the last 40 years (see chart to the right).

    That said, we have not been spending that money correctly. Education spending in America is overwhelmingly controlled by Big Labor; specifically Teachers Unions. And these corrupt organizations have fought education reform and robbed schools of funding for their own personal gain repeatedly.

    • denniso

      If you think that paying a teacher $40,000/yr after ten yrs of teaching children is too much,then you are hopeless…of course I already knew that.

      • Cathy

        I don’t know what state you are referring to when you say a teacher is making $40,000. In PA where I live in one district, the AVERAGE teacher’s salary is $80,000 a year, and this was published in the newspaper. The salaries and benefits of the teachers in this area are driving people out of their homes, and it is all union driven. To top it all, some of our so-called brightest have to take remedial courses when they go to college instead of being prepared so what’s that say for all the money we are spending on education.

        You seem to have a problem with people collecting social security and medicare. Many seniors hate medicare, but have been forced into it. Only the very rich like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates could afford to pay premiums on insurance to cover older people. If we could afford regular insurance, we would be gone in a flash. However, if one wants to drop medicare, the government says they will cut off your social security benefits. Now why do you think they are doing that? Because it is a big ponzi scheme, and they need the wealthier seniors to pay for the poorer ones. In regard to social security, people would have been better off if they had taken the money they paid in to the program and invested it in CD’s over the years. They would have had more money, and it would have been theirs instead of the government. The government is no better than Bernie Madoff.

  • denniso

    I have absolutely NO problem w/ SS and Medicare,except that they often don’t amount to enough money or coverage. You must not be paying attention to what I’ve said.

    • denniso

      And,Cathy, before you make adamant statements involving numbers you should make sure of the facts. PA’s salaries are $35,000 for starting pay and $54,000 average…not even close to your $80,000. In the hot bed of the battle over ‘exorbitant’ public worker salaries,Wisconsin starts teachers at $25,000 and an average of $46,000…boy, are they getting rich,or what? What’s killing working people is that most of the wealth of the country has been moving up to the wealthy for the last 3 decades w/ most working wages staying flat or going down.

      • Jay

        Thanks to an article sent to DOB, we can pull back the curtain a bit to examine the protesters in Wisconsin, the budget crisis and what the battle is about.

        Wisconsin is broke.

        This is not a surprise, there are 5-6 other states which are in the same dire financial condition or worse (see California) but Wisconsin Governor said enough is enough. Basically he is refusing to negotiate, play ping-pong with the Union Reps over short term deals and quick fixes which would sound good for the press.

        But what is really at stake?

        The deal is in the teacher’s benefits which are outlined below from a Wall Street Journal article by Robert Costrell:

        The average Milwaukee public-school teacher salary is $56,500, but with benefits the total package is $100,005.

        •Social Security and Medicare. The employer cost is 7.65% of wages, the same as in the private sector.

        •State Pension. Teachers belong to the Wisconsin state pension plan. That plan requires a 6.8% employer contribution and 6.2% from the employee. However, according to the collective-bargaining agreement in place since 1996, the district pays the employees’ share as well, for a total of 13%.

        •Teachers’ Supplemental Pension. In addition to the state pension, Milwaukee public-school teachers receive an additional pension under a 1982 collective-bargaining agreement. The district contributes an additional 4.2% of teacher salaries to cover this second pension. Teachers contribute nothing.

        •Classified Pension. Most other school employees belong to the city’s pension system instead of the state plan. The city plan is less expensive but here, too, according to the collective-bargaining agreement, the district pays the employees’ 5.5% share.

        Overall, for teachers and other employees, the district’s contributions for pensions and Social Security total 22.6 cents for each dollar of salary. The corresponding figure for private industry is 13.4 cents.

        The divergence is greater yet for health insurance:

        •Health care for current employees. Under the current collective- bargaining agreements, the school district pays the entire premium for medical and vision benefits, and over half the cost of dental coverage. These plans are extremely expensive.

        This is partly because of Wisconsin’s unique arrangement under which the teachers union is the sponsor of the group health-insurance plans. Not surprisingly, benefits are generous. The district’s contributions for health insurance of active employees total 38.8% of wages. For private-sector workers nationwide, the average is 10.7%.

        •Health insurance for retirees. This benefit is rarely offered any more in private companies, and it can be quite costly. This is especially the case for teachers in many states, because the eligibility rules of their pension plans often induce them to retire in their 50s, and Medicare does not kick in until age 65.

        Milwaukee’s plan covers the entire premium in effect at retirement, and retirees cover only the growth in premiums after they retire.

        As is commonly the case, the school district’s retiree health plan has not been pre-funded. It has been pay-as-you-go. This has been a disaster waiting to happen, as retirees grow in number and live longer, and active employment shrinks in districts such as Milwaukee.

        The economic disaster that Gov. Walker is facing is the result of decades of Union Reps getting sweet deal after sweet deal for their clients. That is their job after all.

        Unfortunately, it’s impossible to sustain forever. protesting in the snow? What do you think?

        • denniso

          Wisconsin is broke? The U.S. is broke? No,we just refuse to raise enough revenue to pay for the things that the majority of the people have said they want from the gov’t…defense,roads,sewers,clean water,fire/police protection,retirement at an age that one can enjoy to some degree,healthcare for the elderly and children and the poor,schools,universities,health depts,CIA,FBI,NSA,military academies,and on and on. If you want to return to the 1800′s,move to Libya,Iraq,Iran,liberia,Kenya. We have been the most prosperous country in the history of the world and have become so w/ all of the above mentioned gov’t services and programs..What don’t you get about that?The rightwingers are trying to slash the gov’t in half by not allowing any increased revenues anywhere,on the wealthiest,at the gas pump. What makes you think that if we demolish the gov’t that has helped put us ahead of the world economically,we will have any sort of modern,civil,safe,clean or prosperous society? Any evidence for what may happen is only back a hundred yrs…is that the sort of model society and country you want? Maybe so, because the rich can be even more rich than now.

  • Jay

    If you want something from civilized society you must give something in return. This something, at a bare mininum, is adherence to the rules on which that civilized society rests.

    Read what Max Hastings of The Daily Mail Online has to say about the current group of thugs rioting London:

    They are an absolute deadweight upon society, because they contribute nothing yet cost the taxpayer billions. Liberal opinion holds they are victims, because society has failed to provide them with opportunities to develop their potential.

    Most of us would say this is nonsense. Rather, they are victims of a perverted social ethos, which elevates personal freedom to an absolute, and denies the underclass the discipline — tough love — which alone might enable some of its members to escape from the swamp of dependency in which they live.

    Only education — together with politicians, judges, policemen and teachers with the courage to force feral humans to obey rules the rest of us have accepted all our lives — can provide a way forward and a way out for these people.

    They are products of a culture which gives them so much unconditionally that they are let off learning how to become human beings.

    My dogs are better behaved and subscribe to a higher code of values than the young rioters of Tottenham, Hackney, Clapham and Birmingham.

    Sadly, no matter how many examples we are given of the dangers of class warfarism and wealth redistribution, some politicians, economists and members of academe will continue to assert that the London rioters – and their counterparts in the States – are victims of circumstance who have been cheated by the rich and successful out of what is rightfully theirs. These rioting thugs are hypocrites because they want most what they hate most.

  • Stephen Tareila

    Setting curfews might help just as extra policing might help.

    However, some of these flash mob attacks have taken place during the day like the one in Philadelphia where 10-12 black teenagers brutally attacked a white pedestrian. It was all caught on surveillance cameras and dispersed online.

    Philly Mayor Nutting was right in saying it was black teens and that their heinous actions were a discredit to their race. He extended the curfew but that is not enough.

    Flash mobs are just that-MOBS of 10-12 or even hundreds. The Mayors and councils of our cities ought to make congregating of teens in groups of 6 or more illegal. Of course if their parents are present or the teens are at work, school, or at a sporting event in which the teen is participating, an exception would be made.

    This limitation on the size of unsupervised teen groups should work to end these attacks but only if vigorously enforced along with the curfews which should be extended even further.

    Once there has been 100 days without this sort of violence then these measures could be rescinded.

  • robt shrugged

    when you coddle and allow the children to do whatever, and make laws that you can not disapline your children with physical force then you get what you deserve. we have as a nation made children a protected narrasisictic group of wild animals. you deserve what you got.

  • James

    A black man with a blank-shooting starter’s pistol was mistakenly shot and killed by London police, and hundreds of blacks broke windows, looted stores, and burned over 40 houses to the ground. Isn’t diversity wonderful?


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