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House Republicans Introduce Bills That Would Outlaw Subsidized Abortions

January 24, 2011 by  

House Republicans introduce bills that would outlaw subsidized abortionsLess than 24 hours after the House of Representatives voted to repeal Obamacare, GOP lawmakers began drafting their own healthcare proposals, including legislation that would limit funding for abortion.

On Jan. 20, the House approved a measure that directs four committees — Ways and Means, Energy and Commerce, Education and Workforce and Judiciary — to work on healthcare laws that reflect the GOP's agenda. It didn't take long for Republicans to introduce two bills that would eliminate taxpayer-funded abortions, the Protect Life Act and No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act.

"When the healthcare reform bill was signed into law last year, the administration chose to shut their ears to the will of the American people and move forward with a plan to expand abortion access," said Representative Joe Pitts (R-Pa.), who sponsored the Protect Life Act, quoted by The Hill.

The Protect Life Act rewrites provisions in Obamacare to ensure that the law does not allow for taxpayer funding for abortion, while the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act establishes a ban on Federal subsidies for the controversial procedure and for healthcare plans that cover it.

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, praised GOP lawmakers for their efforts to repeal the existing law and introduce new legislation. Perkins said that Americans should not be "forced to pay for abortions."

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  • ElvinSilva

    Companies will be barred from instituting caps on coverage when your costs for treatments goes up due to sickness, you can now get insurance with out caps on coverage at “Wise Health Insurance” search them online.

    • smilee

      Accepting what you say is true, cannot they change their policy anytime they want to.

  • http://N/A Jobie Barfield

    Has anyone looked at the % of abortions? 60% black, 40% mixed, Hispanic, white and medically unsound…..

    I support the abortion payments although I couldn’t do it personally…..

    • Tony

      You support paying for other peoples abortions????????

      • Robert Smith

        It’s cheaper than having them on welfare for 18 years.

        Rob

        • Bob from Calif.

          You say that it would be cheaper than having them on welfare, I do not agree. You do not know for certain that the tens of millions of people that were aborted would even be on welfare. Think a little broader. If all of these people that were aborted were alive today, Social Security would not be in the shape it is today. There would be tens of millions more contributing to the fund. Also, who knows what damage we have done through abortion. Who knows if the cure for cancer or a perpetual energy source would have been discovered by one of these forgotten, precious people. If we as a people will not even protect our most defenseless and pure then we are truly in trouble.

          • Jo

            I wonder how those that are for abortion would feel [ if they knew ] if they had been aborted? I’ve seen a few pictures of aborted children and ones that were ready to pop out…murdered.Their lifeless bodies covered in blood while their tiny hands were streached out and them in a fetal position. It makes you sick, so it maks me wonder how it makes God and his son feel. But man has been given a choice, and some apparently have no fear of God because they don’t think He’s real.All I can say is, boy, are they in for a huge surprise one day.

          • Kinetic1

            Bob,
            I’m not arguing for or against abortion, but I am questioning your argument. Where are the jobs for all those people you speak of? If unemployment is where it is, how much worse would it be if the population were enlarged by 10 million? And if we were to follow your line of reasoning to it’s logical conclusion, we would have to ask how many murderers there would have been? approximately 1% of Americans have an IQ over 135, placing them in the gifted to genius range and, therefor most likely to discover the cure for cancer or whatever other major breakthrough you choose. Criminals, on the other hand account for over 3% of the population. The wealthy (over 250,000) only make up 2% of the population, while the poorest among us account for about 17%. I know it’s a rather negative and pessimistic view, but the odds don’t really play in your favor.

            So argue if you wish that life begins at inception (and if you truly believe that, then you should argue by all means) but don’t expect to win points by questioning who or what we lost. It’s a double edged sword.

          • Robert Smith

            Bob says: “If we as a people will not even protect our most defenseless and pure then we are truly in trouble.”

            The THEORY that it’s a baaaabeeeee is just that, a theory. For most of America it just doesn’t apply.

            Besides, there just ain’t enough neurons connected to reflect pain or any other thought.

            Rob

          • Vigilant

            Kinetic,

            You and Robert Smith seem to be taking this away from basics. It’s not about dollars and cents, or about the statistical aspects of potential populations (which sounds a bit like euthansia). It’s first and foremost about the sanctity of human life.

            Notwithstanding any moral views I may have about the legitimacy of abortion on demand, or whether or not a newly-conceived fetus is a human being, the fact of our Republic is that the tyranny of the majority is supposed to be squelched out of consideration for the sincerely-felt moral and religious views of the minority.

            Forcing a pro-life person to pay taxes to support a practice that is morally repugnant to them at the very deepest level of their being is not only unfair, it’s cruel. I rue the day this country devolves into a treatment of human beings as just actuarial statistics.

          • Robert Smith

            Vigelant says: ” the fact of our Republic is that the tyranny of the majority is supposed to be squelched out of consideration for the sincerely-felt moral and religious views of the minority.”

            That sword swings both ways, vigelant.

            The same thing applys to gays when they want same sex marrage. If you want your minority religious dogma to fly (not withstanding that our government should NOT be run by religious dogma) then gays should be treated equally under law.

            Rob

            Rob

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Bob CA:

            The Nazis had the Jewish holocost. America has its own holocost: Abortion. God Almighty is beginning to bring His wrath upon our nation for this murderous activity.

            Social Security would not be in the condition it is currently in if the theiving b*stard politicians had not been stealing it into bankruptcy for 50 years.

            Any politician who has voted for, or signed, a budget that spent Social Security money should be arrested, tried, convicted and executed. All their wealth should then be taken and put into the Social Security Trust Fund to help replenish it.

        • http://naver sook young

          Soory Robert, but your side is starting to lose the battle. Momentum is on our side. In the past week, we’ve seen the introduction of two major pieces of legislation, followed by statements of support from the pro life House Majority Leadership. In fact, just moments ago at the March for Life, House of Representatives Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) spoke to the thousands of pro lifers gathered at the National Mall saying…”The tide has turned. Our majority has been energized with a strong crop of pro life people. This bill (The No Taxpayer Funding Abortion Act) is at the top of our agenda. I promise you the People’s House (We The People) will stand unapologetically for Life.” Also Robert, there is another bill called The Protect Life Act. Which amends the health care reform law to ensure that no federal funds go toward elective abortion, prevents any federal agency for mandating abortion, and protects the conscience of healthcare workers. Right after the bills were introduced, Speaker John Boehner and Representative Chris Smith for a press conference to show the House leadership’s full support for ending taxpayer funding of abortion (Like money sent to Planned Parenthood and NARAL). Speaker Boehner remarked…”A ban on taxpayer funding of abortion is the will of the people…and it ought to be the law of the land.” And Senator Harry Ried is refusing to bring up a vote on the repeal of the pro abortion Obamacare in the Senate. Senator Reid and President Obama know that public opinion is against them. They know that America is a strong pro life country. The pro abortion lobby, like Senator Reid and President Obama, are scared. Abortion giant Planned Parenthood is pulling out all the stops to protect the over $300 million + they receive every single year from U.S. Taxpayers. NARAL and Emily’s List are gearing up for this fight. Since Roe vs. Wade was passed 38 years ago, that very tragic day, over 52 million children have lost their lives in the womb, and that many mothers and fathers have been injured by abortion. Also, let’s not forget about the doctor in Philadelphia that was arrested by police for killing 8 babies that didn’t die after they were aborted with a pair of scissors. When a baby takes it’s first breath, it’s alive and isn’t supposed to be harmed by the doctor. I hope that Pennsylvania law gives him the death penalty. He sewed the seeds of death and he now may wreap death for himself. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

          http://www.sba-list.org

          • Robert Smith

            sook says: “Also, let’s not forget about the doctor in Philadelphia that was arrested by police for killing 8 babies that didn’t die after they were aborted with a pair of scissors.”

            He wasn’t even certified as an OBGYN. He was a criminal to begin with.

            BTW, did you know that Dr. Bernard Nathanson states that he performed an abortion on a woman who had become pregnant by him.

            The key to abortion is to keep it legal AND safe.

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            The real key to abortion is no sex till you are married. Before your marriage, the woman should sit down with the man she’d marrying and discuss children. Then after they agree, get married, and have the children they wanted, then the couple can use BCP, condom, or whatever form of birth control they choose. If it is done this way, no chance at a pregnancy that the woman doesn’t want. A woman these days is usually because of the woman’s immaturity and not taking responsibility for her actions. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            From sook: “The real key to abortion is no sex till you are married.”

            That worked really well for the idol of the right, sarah’s kid.

            BTW, Mary was only 12 or 13 when she got knocked up by that much older brutal god you seem to worship.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, how do you know ahe was only 12 or 13? You better cite your source on that one. The Jewish people didn’t get married that young back then. What a lying moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            P.S. Why don’t you read a book called “Unplanned.” The author is Abby Johnson, a former planned parenthood director. The story goes like this: Abby Johnson quit her job in October 2009, the media went wild: Abby was the director of a Texa Planned Parenthood clinic, but after she took part in her first actual ultrasound-guided abortion procedure, she had a change of heart–and made good on it and walking across the road and joining the Coalition for Life. In her book she reveals the extraordinary details of her transformation from hardcore pro abortion advocate to a highly visible and gratefully forgiven pro life activist.

            http://www.HumanEvents.com/products/BookPage.asp?prod_cd=C7698&sour_cd=HAE110110

            Sounde like interesting reading to me. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • JimH

            Rob, You keep bringing up Bristol Palin. Yes she made a mistake, but she took responsibilty for it and didn’t murder her own baby. So what is your point rob?

          • http://naver sook young

            I don’t think he really has one. A person with a deranged mind, like Robert, can’t really focus on points. His mind can’t grasp reality. Therefore, he is unable to comprehend the ability of common sense and reason. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            You are so wrong on so many levels, samurai.

            This will demonstrate just how wrong you are about local customs then.

            And you can google: “age of mary when she gave birth to jesus”

            For example from http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1167: “Some customs of biblical Palestine continued through the centuries, and after her trip to the Near East around 1910, Alma White commented on the age of marriage in Palestine, “A girl is usually married in her twelfth or thirteenth year, and sometimes as early as her tenth year.” [4] W. M. Thompson, a missionary in the Middle East for some 30 years, attests to the same thing. [5] James Neil points out that everyone married, because they felt obligated to fulfill God’s command to be fruitful and multiply, and that, “Girls are ‘given in marriage’ at eleven or twelve years of age, though this is not the limit. They are frequently married as young as nine….” [6]”

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            Awww samurai, you apparenty want to deal with “conversions” as some sort of proof. For example: “she had a change of heart–and made good on it and walking across the road and joining the Coalition for Life. In her book she reveals the extraordinary details of her transformation from hardcore pro abortion advocate to a highly visible and gratefully forgiven pro life activist.”

            So did Norma McCorvey. She was brought in by flipped himself. She’s also a bit nuts.

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Sorry moron, but no one really knows how old she was at the time of Jesus’ birth. God yes, us no. Someone may attest to it, but it is only a theory and not solid evidence. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Granny Mae

            sook young,

            You are really good. Love your posts so keep up the good work. The only time I am for abortion is when I see R S. posts on here ! He truly has problems ! Big ones !

    • Robert Smith

      Hey Jobie,

      “medicaly unsound” ???????? What is that?

      BTW, an early term abortion is far safer than carrying to term. It isn’t quite as safe as birth control, but birth control is far safer than getting pregnant in the first place.

      Rob

      • http://?? Joe H.

        robert smith,
        Is it time to write another check??

        • Robert Smith

          It’s always a good time to write a check to Planned Parenthood.

          Do you realize that through frank discussion about birth control they prevent more abortions than any other organization?

          Rob

          • JimH

            Rod, I write checks to Save the Children, it looks like you support “Slay the Children”.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JimH,
            Nah Robert writesa support check each month and hates it!!!

          • Vigilant

            And do you know that Margaret Sanger, an avowed socialist and Planned Parenthood advocate, believed in eugenics? In her words, “Keep the doors of immigration closed to the entrance of certain aliens whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race, such as feebleminded, idiots, morons, insane, syphilitic, epileptic, criminal, professional prostitutes, and others in this class…”

            Or how about, “Apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.”

            Her philosophy was held in high esteem by the NAZIs, needless to say.

            But oddly, she was against abortion.

            “In her 1938 autobiography, Sanger notes that her 1916 opposition to abortion was based on the taking of life: “To each group we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun.” [Wikipedia]

            So it appears that the views of the Godmother of Planned Parenthood have been distorted or trashed in favor of abortion on demand. Think about that the next time you write a check.

          • http://naver sook young

            That may be true Robert, but then why are they and NARAL called the abortion giants? Why do they (Planned Parenthood) receive more than $300 million dollars to perform abortions from the government? I think that not only does the government need to stop funding abortions on demand, but people should stop supporting them also. If we defund Obamacare, it’ll go away. If we stop funding of abortions, they too may eventually go away. The doctor I mentioned before in Philadelphia is a rich man. He has made $1.8 million dolloars from performing abortions alone. Here is an article from Michelle Malkin on the subject. She’s someone else I like to say you go girl.

            http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=41312#

            Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            sook says: “Why do they (Planned Parenthood) receive more than $300 million dollars to perform abortions from the government?”

            Why do you continue to lie? Don’t you remember the Hyde ammendment?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, rob, rob, wahe up and smell the coffee. This is the administration of Obama bin Laden. Do you think that the Hyde Amendment, which has to be passed every year by vote, will stop him, hmmm? When he tried, and failed, to pass his Omnibus Spending Bill, there were things on there that aren’t allowed to be spent on by the government. These things are either illegal or unconstitutional, but the lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxists, like you, don’t seem to care about such things. They included:

            1. $327 million dollars to groups like abortion giant Planned Parenthood under the Title X Family Planning Program.

            2. $710 million dollars for the international “family planning” organizations that perform and promote abortion.

            3. A provision to allow our tax dollars to fund abortion on demand in our nation’s capital.

            Fortunately this bill never passed, thank God. If Obama bin Laden can do this and bypass the “Hyde Amendment”, it really isn’t being enforced or is just overlooked for this crazed individual. Look it up. I’m sure you’ll find it. If not, here is my source:

            http://www.sba-list.org

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Ted Crawford

    I’m Strongly in oposition to abortion! Before you accuse me of being a far right religious nut I’ll tell you I’m a Diest. I object on personal moral grounds. That being said I can’t justify a total ban on it. This is still a free society.
    What I do believe is acceptable under those guidlines is the prohabition of the use of public moneys for any but emergency situations such as health of the mother, rape and incest. Most of those out in the streets calling me a “baby killer” while I served in Viet Nam, are now out there advocating for the real baby killers!

    • barbm

      the only reason for abortion is the mother’s life being in danger. the baby isn’t at fault if there’s a rape or incest, so why should it have to die? have it and adopt it out, but don’t kill it. when i had my first son, the doctor wanted to crush his head so he could be born naturally as it endangered my life to have a c-section. i told the doctor that i’d kill him if he killed my son. if a mother won’t protect her children, who will?

      • Vigilant

        Ted,

        Good to meet a fellow Deist!

        Our views are very similar with regards to abortion, but I must say that Barbm’s philosophy is more in synch with mine when it comes to rape and incest.

        I believe that respect for the sanctity of life is eloquently expressed in the Declaration of Independence as a right under natural law. I also believe that we dishonor the respect for life when we condemn the unborn to die even though a rape or incest has occurred. These little human beings have had no say in their conception, and cannot by any stretch be considered inferior. They may be “unwanted,” but that criteria is no different than abortion on demand.

        It has always struck me that neither side of the issue has a consistent philosophy. In my mind, you either respect life at all points of the spectrum, or you don’t. A consistent view along these lines would be either (1) that humanity has no right to terminate the life of either a baby or a hardened criminal, or (2) that society has a right to kill both the unborn and the hardened criminal. Political stances rarely if ever advance this view.

      • Granny Mae

        barbm,

        You have my respect ! I agree with you ! God Bless !

    • Robert Smith

      Ted says: “are now out there advocating for the real baby killers!”

      Nope, particularly during first trimester where the majority of abortions occur it ain’t a “baaaaaabyyyyyy. THAT is a matter of personal belief.

      Rob

      • GregS

        He/She is a living human organism with his/her own genome, sex, etc., from the moment of conception. That is a scientific fact, NOT “a matter of personal belief.” Any medical textbook will tell you this.

        • Robert Smith

          It’s no more a baaaaaaaaaaayyyyyybe than plans for a house are a house.

          Rob

          • GregS

            Robert, your inability to correctly spell the word “baby” clearly shows how distorted your thinking is on this issue. As usual, you’ve got it WRONG. The fertilized egg is NOT the plan. It’s the foundation, which has already begun to be built.

          • Robert Smith

            It still isn’t a house. BTW, a structure of a house isn’t a home until someone moves in. You can’t prove (except in a religious context, which isn’t proof) when someone moves into a body.

            Rob

          • GregS

            If “it” is not a “house,” then why are you making that analogy in the first place, you twit??? He/she is a living human organism, and that’s all that really matters. When “someone moves in,” as you put it, is irrelevent. YOU, Robert, are the one who is obsessed with making this a religious issue! I don’t happen to see it that way. I could care less when “someone moves in,” if that is even the case. As far as I’m concerned, all innocent, living human organisms deserve the right to life, regardless of what stage of development they are in. We are all in some stage of development until the day we die, be it as embryos or senior citizens.

          • Granny Mae

            Robert Smith,

            In your way of thinking what is it that moves in and when does that take place and why? I guess you were too late or too early in your moving in because you didn’t quite make it to the orientation you were meant to be huh? Wow ! You were a screw-up right from the get go ! Too bad, but don’t blame the rest of us and don’t try to make us fix it for you ! You won’t like the way we fix it !

      • http://?? Joe H.

        robert smith,
        Think not?? Get in an auto accident and kill a pregnant woman! Tell the court that “it wasn’t a BAAABBY!” I’ll laugh as they cart your a$$ off to jail for vehicular homicide times TWO!!!

        • Robert Smith

          Hey Joe, those are perverted laws put on the books by anti-abortion zealots who say a crack where they could get something their way.

          It is an abuse of the system.

          Rob

          • JimH

            Rob, Now people who want to SAVE lives are zealots, abuseing a system? You must really feel guilty about making the woman you got pregnant get abortions. Who are you trying to convince they really aren’t baby’s, us or yourself.

          • http://naver sook young

            Sorry Robert, but you are not in your right mind for saying things like this. I had 4 children and never thought about abortion. My last pregnancy I had complications starting in the 5th month. I told the doctor “no abortion”, as a good mother would never give up on her child. The doctor had to give me medication for the complications. At the time of delivery, the doctor told me that if I gave natural birth, I or the child would die. I talked with my husband (Samurai) and we agreed on having a C-section. By doing this, both my child and I are healthy to this day. Also, if you kill a woman that’s pregnant and the child dies also, here in Indiana that’s 2 counts of murder. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            Jim and sook, you don’t know me and you are lying to make stuff up. IOW, you are simply making stuff up.

            Nbody believes you and I enjoy pointing out your lies.

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Actually Rob, it is you that nobody believes. What I said is true, but if you want to prove me wrong then please state some facts and some sources. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

            Also, what I said about my 4th pregnancy is true. Who are you to say anything different? You weren’t there. Another delusion maybe?

          • JimH

            Rob, I haven’t seen you point out a lie in anything I have posted yet, Because there is no lie to point at. you haven’t dis proven anything I have posted, Because you are WRONG. Tell me Rob, who are you trying to convince that They really aren’t baby’s, us or you?

  • Charles

    Here is one soul that is glad I was not aborted. How many of those who are lib eral on abortions, do not feel the same as I?

    • Robert Smith

      I don’t feel the same as you. What god would punish a “baby” for the alleged “sin” of the mother.

      Why not let your all powerful god decide? After all, he gave everyone free choice, who are YOU to disrput something so personal as a woman’s body and how she is going to allow it to be used by another?

      Rob

      • JimH

        Rob, Why would you execute an unborn baby because of the sins of the father and mother? Are you just that cruel? My all powerful God has decided. It is a sin to do so. He did give us a free will. We can choose to go against him and choose to suffer the consequences. Since the mother chose to participate in an activity that could cause am unwanted pregnancy(they know what causes them now) do you think she will be better at making more choices?

        • Robert Smith

          Clue JimH:

          I don’t believe in the crewel god that you support. Remember the won that got Noah going, destroyed cities, and generally has abused millions of born people.

          Call me back when you have a god that isn’t so hateful.

          Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Actually, if you read the Bible you would see that the Great Flood happened because people had become very evil in their ways. That couldn’t be worse than an atheist named Nero, who slayed people because of being Christian or Jew. He also burned Rome and killed thousands of people. He said because he was an artist and an artist has to destroy before he can create. Or how about Hitler who killed 6 million Jews and 6 million others? How about Stalin who killed at least 10 million people in the Ukraine during his many purges? How about Mao, Tojo, Kim Il Sung, Kim Jung Il, Ho Chi Min, Muhammed, etc, and all the ones they killed? None of these people were Christian. How about Genghis Khan? He used to slaughter everything and leave one surviver to tell others he was comming. Sorry Robert, but it seems to me that the non-Christians have done more killing and brutality then anything a Christian (name only) may have done. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • JimH

            Rob,CLUE: Just because you are to foolish not to believe in God doesn’t mean he doesn’t exist. God created all of us and and he calls all of us home. He is the one who is supposed to decide when, not an abortion doctor and a selfish mom. Since you support abortion you are the cruel one.

          • http://naver samurai

            Jim H. is right and moron Rob is wrong! Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Because zealots like sook, samurai, and Jim tell us so.

            ROVL

            Is lying in the name of your god a sin?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, you’re such a moron! You keep crying out that my wife, JimH, and I are lying, but you never say how we are lying. I challenge you to tell us which sentence, source, fact, etc, are lies and back them up with sources, not youtube videos. I want something that is subject to “public domain laws.” You know what public domain laws are don’t you? Yes, that would require you to get up off your arse and go to the library and start reading. Why don’t you go? I think it’s because you know you are the one lying and the books will prove you wrong. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • JimH

            Rod, If believing in the sanctity of life makes me a zealot, I’m proud to be a zealot. I am pro -life and not ashamed of it. Would the opposite of pro-life be pro- death or anti-life? What one are you Rob?

          • JimH

            Rob, You accuse me of lieing, but you still haven’t pointed out one single lie YET.

  • http://denialator.blogspot.com BillyBob

    I respect your position, and confirm that you are less than far right compared to me. My view is the only rational and righteous thing to do is eliminate the politically correct terms, pro-life / pro-choice and consider accurately describing these atrocities referred to as late-term abortions, or in the interest of the mother’s health, rape, incest, etc. None of these terms are provided for as exceptions in the canon of Scriptures, therefore not deserving recognition under man’s law. It is murder of an unborn child, or technically defined as infanticide.

    I would cite the applicable Scripture here for clarification:

    “There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.” (Proverbs 14:12)

    • Robert Smith

      Awwww BillyBob: “I would cite the applicable Scripture here for clarification:”

      Establishing laws under YOUR religion is NOT allowed in America.

      Rob

      • 45caliber

        Yes, it is allowed. It is allowed for ANY religion if the law is of value. For instance, it is illegal to murder someone by law – which follows all religions I know about.

        • Robert Smith

          That isn’t religion, it is social contract. Pretty much all societies, including Pagans, Druids, and Egiptions had rules agains killing without your silly and hateful god.

          Rob

          • JimH

            Even my wise and loving God is against murder. From conception to natural or accidental death.

          • Vigilant

            RS,

            You are about as low a human being as I’ve ever seen. You treat with disrespect and ridicule the heartfelt moral beliefs of a major segment of this population.

          • http://naver samurai

            Our God has been around a lot longer then those false beliefs, moron. Try again. You’re getting to be pretty funny in your responses. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • libertytrain

            Vigilant – I don’t ever read comments of his ridiculing the Muslim people – I can’t help but wonder if that would be politically incorrect for him.

          • 45caliber

            liberty:

            I don’t think he is being politically correct by not saying anything about the Muslims; I think he is being cowardly. I feel that he is certain Christians won’t look him up in retribution for what he says but he is afraid some Muslim might.

          • libertytrain

            I think you may be correct – he does appear to be a cowardly bully.

          • Robert Smith

            Vigelant says: “You treat with disrespect and ridicule the heartfelt moral beliefs of a major segment of this population.”

            Naw, just the ones who use a brutal god as an example to restrict the freedoms of other Americans, support ritualistic canabalism (remember that transsubstancian thing), and try to rule others.

            It’s a brutal god with followers who are bullies in his name.

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Actually Robert, it’s people like you who believe in the killing of children that is the bully. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

      • http://naver samurai

        Our laws are based on the Ten Commandments and the twenty sins mentioned in the Old Testiment, all have laws made against them. What’s your point, moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • smilee

          Silly our laws are based on our US Constitution and the basis for all the interpretations of the SC, not the Bible.

          • http://naver samurai

            Look them up moron. You’ll see that every sin in the Bible there is a law on our books for it. Also, when we were first founded, before the SCOTUS was set up, those are what our laws were set up after (10 Commandments). For someone who calls himself a Christian, you sure the h*** don’t know much of our Christian founding. No real Christian would say they were agnostics and deists. No Christian would say the crap you just posted. Are you sure you’re a Christian or one in name only? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • smilee

            Do you believe Billy Graham is a Christian?? On an interviews (an hour long) with David Frost some years ago he was asked if this country was founded on christian principals by Christians and he said it was not and also added this has never been a Christian country. I agree with him as I too have never seen that evidence either, the only people that say that are people like you who call everyone they do not agree with morons. It is also a sin to lie. You lie a lot and are also very very rude and so out of touch with reality.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry frownlee, but till you can prove that our founding fathers declared this to be a secular state, then I may believe you. Thank goodness people like you lost the last election (Nov 2). Remember these things:

            56 founing fathers
            54 Protestant
            02 Catholic
            29 of them held seminary degrees. This means they were either a pastor or some position in the church.

            Now if they and their beliefs are wrong on this being a Christian nation, then you really have to try hard to prove it. I also notice that it’s always the lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxists who tend to take the stand you just did. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • smilee

            Sammie

            your talking about religion, I’m talking about Christianity and they are often not one and the same also Christianity or the bible is not ever referenced in the Constitution, it is one of our most compromised documents ever drafted by men of different beliefs and the Bible was given to us by God and I do not believe any of our Constitution appears in the Bible. One is the law of God the other is the Law of man and not designed to enforce the law of God.

          • http://naver samurai

            Wrong again! Remember what General Patton said, “If mountain ranges and oceans can be overcome, anything made by man can be overcome.” Ergo, if our rights are given to us by men, they can be overcome by the authority figures at the time, given the slightest opportunity. Sounds like what the ACLU and the libs have been doing for the last 40 – 50 years. If these rights are goven to us by God, no matter who is in office or no matter how strong the oppressor, they can never be taken away from us. There may not be a Bible verse or the word God in the Constitution, but our founding fathers wrote the Constitution by using their faith and belief in God to write it. These weren’t just someone’s ideas that they thought up at the spur of the moment. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          Quit lying samurai: “Our laws are based on the Ten Commandments and the twenty sins mentioned in the Old Testiment, all have laws made against them”

          I don’t worship your god and I put ALL other gods before that brutal jackass of a god who has murdered so many throughout history.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            I knew it rob! I knew you were a muslim! The belief in the false god allah is responsible for the death of more people and destruction of more countries than any other person/religion in history. Just don’t bring that sharia law crap here. Just think moron, more people have died defending their Christian faith and others Christian faith than any other religion in history. The Jews also have been killed because of their faith or race. The Holocaust claimed 6 million alone. Now your muslim religion is different. When they die for the glory of allah, they tend to commit acts of terrorism or blow themselves up (along with other people). First of all rob, I have two questions for you. You must answer them or forever hold your peace.

            1. Can you prove that God doesn’t exist?
            2. What proof and evidence can you provide that proves atheism is accurate and correct?

            You must give sources, not some youtube video. Tell me a published written work or something. Can you do that? Probably not. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai says: “1. Can you prove that God doesn’t exist?”

            Can’t prove a negative. Why don’t you take a shot to prove the easter bunny diesn’t exist? BTW, do you know where I can get a little electric chair to hang round my neck? After all, it seems the cross was an execution device.

            Again, samurai taks a shot that misses: “2. What proof and evidence can you provide that proves atheism is accurate and correct?”

            Can’t prove that any more than you can prove anything about your brutal god.

            BTW, why do you lie by implying I’m an atheist or muslum? All you know is that I don’t follow your brutal god.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            First of all moron, we all know the Easter Bunny is just a story for little kids like you. Second, you are right about the cross being a form of punishment. The Romans got to be very good at it. General Titus was known for crucifying thousands of Jews after he laid siege to and sacking Jerusalem in 70 A.D. as a “merciful punishment. Remember, Jesus was tried by Pontius Pilate and found not guilty. He was crucified basically to satisfy the people. But we also know that it was part of God’s plan to fulfill the scriptures that said he would die for all of our sins. Third, an electric chair to hang around your neck? I think you need to strap yourself into the official model. Proper punishment for a person who believes in the killing of children and a traitor to this nation and God. Sorry Rob, but your posting just doesn’t pan out with any facts or sources, just lib rhetoric and inuendo. Try better next time, moron. You notice that at least my wife and I try to answer what you have posted and hardly anyone else does. Does this tell you something? Think about that. Oh, by the way, my wife wants to wish you a Happy New Year. February 3 is the Chinese New Year or Lunar New Year. Her country celebrates New Years 2 times a year. Why does she want me to tell you that, I don’t know. But take the hint. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Granny Mae

            Robert Smith,

            The electric chair is the symble of punishment for horrible crimes against humanity but the cross is the symble of the everlasting love of God ! He gave his life for payment of our sins. The person dying in the electric chair is having his life taken from him for crimes he commited against others, usually the taking of another’s life ! So do what ever you wish and wear what ever you wish. I know you for what and who you are, the devil incarnate ! Get behind me satan, I am a child of God and nothing you can say against him matters to me for he will take care of you! You have a lake of fire waiting for you.

  • tim

    There are reasons for abortion. One of them is not, oh crap I forgot to take my pill. It is not a convenience. It is murder! Think about what life would be like if you were aborted. Can’t, can you????

    • Robert Smith

      ANY reason the woman decides is OK is a reason for abortion. It is her body that is being used by the fetus to grow.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Thank you, moron! You say that a person has the right to say that an innocent person has to live or die. Thank you for showing us how nazi-like you really are rob! Were did you get this crap from? Dr. Mengele? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          ain’t a person until the woman carrying it says it is.

          Quit forcing your relilgion upon the women of America.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Did you ever read GregS posts on 24 and 25 January? I guess that he just hit you hard and you can’t answer him, so you come after me. Sorry dude, by GregS is right and you can’t prove otherwise. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Actualy samurai, it’s up to prove what you advocate is right and correct.

            Clue: With such a brutal god as your headliner I suspect that you can prove anything and are simply making stuff up.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Ok Rob, I’ll take up the gauntlet you laid at my feet. Let’s see if these answers are good enough for you, at least for now. You always talk bad about God and say he doesn’t exist? Bzzzzz wrong answer! If you would only open up and read the Bible, whether you believe in it or not, then you would see that He does exist. Our God is loving, kind, and forgiving. You on the other hand, claim to be a proud American, but only support things that are tearing down this nation’s foundation brick by brick. Remember what our Christian founding fathers believed in and how they thought. Secondly, you always say that a fetus isn’t a child? How is that possible when the definition of fetus comes from Latin meaning “young child” or “young one?” Just open up your Noah Webster’s Dictionary and find it. That should be easier for you, moron! I also have some questions for you:

            1. Why do you hate God and our Christian founding so much?

            2. What happened to you that made you not believe in God? On August 22, 2010 you posted “…I was a protestant…” Something big happen to make you think otherwise?

            3. You also posted before that you supported your soon to be ex-wifes decision to abort your child she was going to have? Why? So you didn’t have to pay child support?

            Here is another source I have for you to look at:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0R1wUqvJS4

            What this girl will tell you is amazing. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://naver sook young

    I was looking through my husbands history books and on the internet and found and interesting video between the beliefs of two people. One woman was pro life and a man was pro choice. See this site:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONifZmfhC08

    The man sounds like Robert Smith. Thank you.

    Sook Young
    Wife of the Samurai

    • Robert Smith

      That video isn’t available, as is the fate of many extremist videos.

      Those with standards seem to have deleted it.

      BTW, can anyone tell the women in this film why they should not have had an abortion: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1985-12-01/news/0340560281_1_illegal-abortion-silent-scream-planned-parenthood

      Rob

    • http://naver sook young

      Why should I watch a video from an organization that receives $300 + million dollars a year from the government? If that video isn’t available, then watch this one instead.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IVYsQ12_Hw

      I hope you really like this one. Abortion is never a choice. The child is more important then the mother’s inconvenience.

      Facts on induced abortion in the U.S.:
      1. 3315 babies in America die everyday due to abortion.
      2. From 1973 – 2004 over 43 million babies had been aborted, not because of rapes, incests, or the mother’s health, but mother’s ignorance, inconvenience, and selfishness.
      3. In 2005, 1.21 million abortions were performed, down from 1.31 million in 2000.
      4. 1973 – 2005 more than 45 million abortions occured.
      5. Each year 2% of women aged 15 – 44 have an abortion. 47% of them have had at least 1 previous abortion.

      I have known girls 17 – 25 years old who have already had more than 2 abortions. Many of them can never have any more children because of the procedure. Now they’ll never know the joy of having children. I’m glad I went to the “March for Life.” Thank you.

      Sook Young
      Wife of the Samurai

      • Robert Smith

        “Why should I watch a video from an organization that receives $300 + million dollars a year from the government?”

        It doesn’t. You are lying.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Prove it! At least my wife gave a source:

          http://www.sba-list.org
          Then find and article written by Marjorie Dannenfelser
          Date January 21, 2011

          It doesn’t matter what we say, because you’re so stupid that you just can’t figure things out, unless it fits some wierd shape in you little lib mind. Look up the source and quit lying on this post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai, samurai, samurai…

            That website is lying.

            Here is an overview and some other contemporary efforts to keep health care out of reach for the poor.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            What would the Hyde Amendment do about keeping healthcare away from the poor? Remember our founding principles of self reliance and personal responsibility moron? They are to rely on themselves for insurance and they are the ones responsible to get it and have it, not the government. This is also where the Commerce Clause of the Constitution comes into play. Sorry Rob, but the BS world of the libs is comming down right before your eyes and you just can’t see it. Let’s see what happens in the next 2 years. It should be interesting to see Obama bin Laden destroyed before your eyes. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • home boy

    this is something i have always had a question on and that is when did GOD give people the right to KILL his children? i guess people that have abortions will have a tough time explaining why they took a life when they meet their maker.

    • Robert Smith

      From home boy who asks: “this is something i have always had a question on and that is when did GOD give people the right to KILL his children?”

      Remember, the christian god is the same one who killed the entire population of Earth excpt Noah and his kin, he killed a bunch in a couple of cities, and oh yes, all those first born. Seems to me sacraficing a few who will thoreticaly return to him when they are aborted is his way of finding out how those women think. Are they willing to sacrafice the education of kids who are already born because of an unborn, are they willing to sacrifice their education so they can do more for later kids? Just what kind of woman is she. Your god wants to know. Who are you to interfear? Who are you to judge?

      When he gave them free choice. HE wants to know how and what they think. He doesn’t need to know how much you try to stop them. He can see that in your heart you are pure and all that.

      Rob

      • JimH

        Rob, You believe that since God Took some lives, it’s ok for a woman to kill her own unborn child? What kind of logic is that? You think that killing humans is just a way to find an opinion? Your logic process is way out there.

        • Robert Smith

          Hey Jim, quit lying about me. You have absolutely no idea what I believe.

          Let’s watch Jim lie: ” You believe that since God Took some lives, it’s ok for a woman to kill her own unborn child?”

          As I’ve explained several times before…

          God gave the woman free choice. Who gave you the right to overrule him?

          Let each woman decide for herself. That’s apparently what your brutal christian god wants. Either that or someone lied when they started talking about “free will.”

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            The doctrine of free will and freedom of choice is: “Do you believe in God and serve him, yes or no.” Murder isn’t part of the package, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • JimH

            Rob, Yes, You are free to choose. You can make the right choice or screw up and make the wrong choice. Choose between good or evil. You are the one who brought up Noah saying God killed people. To say that you believe because God took lives, so it should be ok for a mother to kill her own unborn. That would not be me telling lies. You said it, own up to it. Just because one is free to choose, doesn’t make every choice open game.

          • http://naver samurai

            Keep up the pressure Jim H. He may eventually go away. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Granny Mae

        Robert Smith,

        I don’t want to interfere with their free choice I just don’t want to pay for it. As long as I don’t have to pay for their stupidity they can do anything they decide to do because they will be the one to suffer the consequences, and Oh yes so will the babies daddy if he approved of the abortion or if he did nothing to prevent the pregnancy. So you just have at it but do cry when the chickens come home to roost !

  • Doc Sarvis

    As I understand the Affordable Care Bill it would actually be more difficult to pay for abortions than in regular health insurance policies. 80% of current health insurance policies automatically cover abortions whereas under the Affordable Care Bill one would have to buy a seperate policy that funds abortions.

    Abortion is a legal act not a moral one not unlike many other aspects of our life like war (and hockey). I don’t and I don’t think anyone likes abortion.

    • smilee

      Your correct!!

      • http://naver sook young

        Just because something is legal, that doesn’t make it right. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Robert Smith

          sook says: “Just because something is legal, that doesn’t make it right.”

          And just because you believe something with your perverted form of christanity doesn’t mean that the rest of us have to live by your religion.

          Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Just because you suffer from delusions of grandure doesn’t mean we have to believe what you say either, right? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Granny Mae

            Robert Smith,

            Live anyway you want to idiot, just don’t expect the rest of us to pay for it!

      • http://naver samurai

        No he isn’t Chris! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • SammiD

    I was born to a 17 year-old unwed mother in 1952. Had abortion been legal then,I would not be here today.
    My husband, my 3 birth children, 3 step children and 16 grandchildren are also greatfull for their lives.

    Our tax dollars at work:
    “AP – PHILADELPHIA — A doctor whose abortion clinic was described as a filthy, foul-smelling “house of horrors” that was overlooked by regulators for years (since 1993) was charged Wednesday with murder, accused of delivering seven babies alive and then using scissors to kill them.”

    Fetal homicide laws in 36 states recognize two victims (mother and preborn child) when a criminal act is committed against a pregnant woman (excluding abortion) So the unborn child is only considered a “person” if the mother wants him/her.

    For God’s sake people, wake up!

    • Robert Smith

      Awwwww SammiD… It appears you want to deny legal abortion because of a criminal.

      Is that the case?

      Or are you sad because nobody in Clinton’s administration caught the creep, nobody in the Bush administration caught him, but he was caught during the Obama administration?

      Actually it’s a state issue, but gotta blame it on a President, right?

      Rob

      • JimH

        Rob, I didn’t see anywhere in sammid’s post that any presidents were to blame. If you can’t refute the post make something up?

        • Robert Smith

          You seem to have missed the point that a criminal went under the radar for so long.

          Apparently from your post you want to make ALL women be denied a legal abortion because of a criminal.

          Makes me wonder what abusive christians can be denied because of the murders who have killed born people in their god’s name.

          Rob

          • JimH

            Rob, I don’t believe a mother should be denied an abortion because of the act of one murderer. I believe she should not have one because it’s immoral. You are right in the fact that I don’t condone killing anybody,born or yet to be born by anybody perverting the word of God to rationalize the killing.

          • Robert Smith

            Can’t legislate “morality.”

            Rob

          • JimH

            Rob, Stealing, murder, perjury and arson, just to name a few are against the law. They are also immoral. Morality has been legislated. Any other fallacy you need staightened out?

          • http://naver samurai

            Good one Jim! Libs don’t like it when they don’t have anywhere to run off and hide. That’s why they don’t like the truth. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • patrick

    Is our society progressing? I thought that our creator gave us all a brain…. so that we can use it! To this day I’m still in denial that intelligent human beings, actually allowed the Supreme Court and so called Medical experst and so called Lawyers, were able to argue and to convince the courts and our county’s citizens, that an unborm baby is not a living human being? I do feel the time is right for all humans to search their souls and come to realize that the little heart beating away inside a womans womb, is in fact, ALIVE, and is a human being. The abortion isuue should never have been allowed to go through the court system for the egotistical judges to decide to maintain their POWER over us peons. Also, why does the man ( the other half in the equation to produce babies) not have any say so when these women get pregnant and decide to kill the two peoples baby? This is NOT fair and equal? Woman, whom GOD choose, to bring a human life into this world are the ultimate decision maker when it comes to using abortion for birth control and it will be her alone that will have to answer to her creator on judgement day. I pity her when she faces her creator and GOD looks her square in the eye and ask’s her to explain. And taxpayers, why are you not marching on Washington complaining that our tax money is being wasted on killing 50 million babies?

    • Robert Smith

      From patrick: “were able to argue and to convince the courts and our county’s citizens, that an unborm baby is not a living human being?”

      If it is a human being and relying upon another completely for support in all things it is stealing from the woman if she doesn’t want to support it.

      Just like a guest who would say after a party, “You invited me in so I’m going to hang around for 9 months, eating your food, drinking your booze, and relying upon you for shelter.” I’ll bet you would seek the help of the local constible to remove that person from your home.

      If the woman doesn’t want another “person” (a religious decision, BTW, because an acorn is no more a tree than a fetus is a baaaaabbbyyyyy)in her then she has the right to toss them out.

      Rob

      • JimH

        Rob, Unwanted pregnancy’s, they know what causes them now. If you knowingly do something that could get you pregnant and then think it is ” so unfair” when you wind up pregnant,then it’s time to be the adult and take responsibily for your actions. That doesn’t justify killing unborn humans because of your own selfishness. (I drank a 12 pack of beer and got in my car and drove and I got arrested it’s so unfair)

        • http://naver sook young

          You are very correct. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

        • Robert Smith

          you and your fellow abusive christians claim that it is a “human being.” It’s no more a human being than an acorn is an oak.

          Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            An acorn come from an oak and grows into one. It’s about the same principle isn’t it? Sorry, but in Korea the day of conception is considered the start of a person’s life. It was that way here also, till people like you started telling your perverted, twisted, and satanic stories and had people like you elected. Just think Robert, in the near future, due to all the litigation starting this month and next, abortion may become a thing of the past. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

  • BABUSHSKA

    Legal but not right….abortion is an immoral, corrupt, murderous act designed for the convenience of the woman carrying the fetus. God will judge each person (and a nation as well) for partaking in any way in the murder of the innocent unborn. He has an ever-so tender heart for children as they are unable to fend for themselves and trust blindly. He says, “Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them… for such is theirs, the kingdom of heaven. Matt:19:14. My heart cries out for these aborted babies. Life is so very precious, and I want no part of paying for this abhorrent procedure.

    • Robert Smith

      BABUSHSKA says: “abortion is an immoral, corrupt, murderous act designed for the convenience of the woman carrying the fetus.”

      In the eyes of some.

      In the eyes of others it is simply a medical procedure that is legal in America and many other countries. MOF, before Roe v. Wade it had been VOTED legal in states like Calif. and NY. The PEOPLE decided before the courts. That’s much like in same sex merrage BTW.

      It appears that the right wing only wants the people of America to decide things THEY like.

      Rob

      • GregS

        Robert, you need to review your history before making such ludicrous statements about the “right wing:”

        First of all, you conveniently failed to mention that other states, like Michigan and North Dakota, had referenda (i.e. vote by the PEOPLE) to legalize abortion just before Roe v Wade. North Dakota voted 78% against abortion, and Michigan voted 63% against abortion.

        Furthermore, In April of ’72, New York State repealed its permissive abortion law. Governor Nelson Rockefeller vetoed the repeal, and the law remained in force. In the November ’72 elections, however, so many pro-abortion legislators were swept out of office that the New York General Assembly had enough votes to override the governor’s veto. Plans were made to again repeal the law when that legislature reconvened in 1973. Before it could act, however, the Supreme Court handed down the Roe v. Wade decision.

        So you see, Robert, most people did not want abortion. But, on January 22, 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled, and abortion was imposed against the will of most people from the top down!

        • http://naver samurai

          100% agree. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          Nope.

          And even with the “votes” the rights of the minority can’t be crushed no matter how much religious furver there is. You can’t vote slavery no matter how much you want to enslave a woman to be a breeder for what you want.

          Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Pregnancy and slavery are different. If a woman has a baby and doesn’t want it, she can have the child adopted. There are many loving families that they can have the child stay with. If a woman feels that pregnancy is slavery, then just don’t have sex. Then the woman won’t get pregnant. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • GregS

            Well said, sook young!

          • http://naver sook young

            Thank you GregS!

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

      • Granny Mae

        Robert Smith,

        Could it be that your ex wife wanted to abort your child because she was afraid it would inherit you sexual orientation and she didn’t want to have to deal with that? I guess she is christian and now you hate her and all christians because she hurt you with the abortion of your child and you had no say in the matter ! Wow! That would explain a lot of things !

    • http://naver samurai

      True that! True that! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Bruce Niebanck

    There is the principole of light versus darkness, conscience versus reason. It is that conscience must be followed first of all, Its light is clearer than the light of intellect, and must be left supreme. Whatever be the bewilderment of our intellect, we are self-condemned, if we play false to moral light.

  • patrick

    My family and I had the deplorable experience to sit through 3 trials for two black men that murdered our brother and his friend. It’s funny that during and after these trials, I had a strange vision that if I were a lawyer defending people for their murder of another human beings, that why don’t these lawyers use the abortion tatic as a defense? Really, if you look at murder from the defendants point of view, all they actually did was to eliminate another human life, so what if the individual was 50 years old or was crippled or mentially handicapped? They serve no good for society do they? So all they did was to save tax payers money for their care. Or how about the angry wife, she fell out of love with her husband, well just abort him, end of problems. That my friends is just about how ridiculous the abortion issue is. Get real people… abortion is murder, plain and simple. We need to change tis NOW.

    • Robert Smith

      Not everyone believes as you do.

      Besides, after birth anyone can volunteer to take care of another. That can be done as an individual, or by society. But, in a pregnancy only ONE can take care of a fetus unless YOU are willing to carry it. Thus an individual is imprisoned by YOUR wishes if you force her to cary for the full 9 months.

      BTW, advocating using another’s reproeuctive system against their will can be considered rape. How would feel about a 9 month rape? I think if I didn’t want to be raped for 9 months, be it from the inside or outsude, I’d figure out a way to stop it.

      Rob

      • libertytrain

        “BTW, advocating using another’s reproeuctive system against their will can be considered rape. How would feel about a 9 month rape? I think if I didn’t want to be raped for 9 months, be it from the inside or outsude, I’d figure out a way to stop it.”

        The usual way to stop it is to use birth control, condoms, any number of ways.

        • smilee

          libertytrain says:
          January 25, 2011 at 7:29 pm

          The usual way to stop it is to use birth control, condoms, any number of ways.
          Reply

          And just how will any of these stop it after one is already pregnant

          • http://naver samurai

            She was talking about preventing pregnancy not the crap you’re saying. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • libertytrain

            With all the sex ed, openness about preventing pregnancy, there really shouldn’t be “accidents” – or just a rare one. Sadly, abortion has become a method of birth control over the years and I cannot condone it as such.

          • Granny Mae

            smilee,

            That is the point. You stop it before it happens! Then you don’t have to resort to abortion !

      • http://naver sook young

        Soory Robert, but the father of the child has responsibilities also and has a right to voice his opinion. If the father says “NO” then the mother shouldn’t be able to get an abortion. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • smilee

          That is not the case under the law, sorry sookie but the man does not have a say so

          • http://naver samurai

            Wanna bet? Cite your source, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • smilee

            sammie

            Its beyond your capacity to comprehend!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Actually it isn’t, Chris. Believe me, if my wife was pregnant and wanted an abortion, I’d fight tooth and nail to stop it. As the father of the child, I also have a right to say what happens, moron! If you think differently, cite your sources and shut up. People like you are what is wrong with this country. We patriots are taking it back piece by piece. Remember who was swept out of office and voted into office on November 2? Many of these people are pro life and it will be interesting to see what happens over the next two years. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            ROFL: “We patriots are taking it back piece by piece.”

            No you aren’t. Slavery is wrong in America. The women of America don’t want to be enslaved by your beliefs.

            I think the extreme right of christanity in America is the American Talaban.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, now you tell me when did a Christian walk into a shopping mall with a bomb strapped to him/her and blow up innocent people? You also know that there is legislation now that will keep federal money out of abortions. If this is passed, they won’t need to vote on the Hyde Amendment every year. How is this making women into slaves? Such a moron! You’ll never learn anything! What a waste of skin! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Granny Mae

            smilee,

            Check the laws in your state ! You may be surprised at the rights a father has if he wants them !

          • Granny Mae

            smilee,

            who in the world ever said that women are slaves in this country? We have never been slaves but men sure have used us for their advantage in the past. Not any more. A slave has no choice as to who she goes to bed with but the women of this country sure do. If you are single and out messing around that is your choice and no one else’s. I have seen young women in this country that are on the prowel for sex and they dress like it and act like it and even talk like it! They go to bed with every guy they meet and the guys seem to have no disgression either. He could say no just like she could say no but neither one does and then they pass the buck buy suporting abortion and using abortion ! It takes two to tango so both need to accept responsibility and prevent the inevetable ! Think with your brain and not your sex organs !

      • Granny Mae

        Robert Smith,

        Oh My God, you are so sick !

  • Michellle

    Ok, I tend to lean towards pro-life except, of course, in the case of rape, incest, and situations where childbirth severely threatens a mothers life. Many now use abortion as birth control to cover their stupidity and lack of personal responsibility and then expect the rest of us to pay for it, which makes the rest of us that are against it unwilling accomplices at a time when other options are available. If they don’t want a child, but won’t try to prevent one and aren’t open to adoption, wouldn’t it be smarter to give them easy access to and make them pay themselves for the morning after pill, which ends a life at day one and prevents everyone from knowing whether or not a child was even conceived instead of forcing the rest of us to help end the life of a known fetus several weeks or months later? It seems to be the only sensible, though not thrilling, option which will force them to be responsible for their own reproductive behavior, be affordable to these idiots, and take the rest of us out of the mix.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Pregnancy due to physical health, rape or incest is so rare as to be almost non-existant. That is simply a red herring used by the left to justify the murder of unwanted children. The actual primary cause is that some girl let herself get talked into an act she was unprepared to deal with and wants society to take care of it. If we absolutely must, by law, provide for this monstrosity then sterilization should also be mandatory, Adoption is a much better alternative. All parties involved with unnecessary abortions are murders and late term abortionists are serial killers. God must weep.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        gunner689,
        while I am against abortion in all cases except in true threat of mothers health, there is something called a tubular pregnancy which is where the egg and sperm meet and the resulting pregnancy is in the fallopian tubes! If let go to term, it will kill the mother by hemoraging! There is no chance for mother nor child of surviving, so in this case I would not argue against an abortion. NEVER FOR CONVENIENCE!!!!

        • Granny Mae

          Joe H.

          There has never been a problem with that type of proceedure and it is always taken place between a doctor and his patient. It doesn’t fall under the relm of abortion. My thoughts, call me old fashioned, are if you are thinking you are adult enough to play adult games then you are adult enough to use precaution. That goes for the guy’s as well as the girls ! I think they are giving sex education classes way to early in school and it is only stirring interrest in the subject. That and the fact that we have way too many groth hormones in the meat we eat today and that is causing our children to mature too fast. Kids don’t have time to be kids any more. They should be out climbing trees and riding bikes and the girls should be playing with paper dolls and learning how to sew ! Fat chance of that today !

      • Michellle

        Unfortunately, gunner, contrary to your belief, there are many valid rapes that happen in this country every day. Not all of them are girls trying to cover their stupidity with false accusations and we need to make sure we protect them. I’m all for adoption and preventing unwanted pregnancies before they happen, but no matter how I feel about abortion, I just can’t see forcing the legit rapes to relive them daily as the product of their rape grows inside them and the horror plays over and over in their minds. If not for a good police officer, I’d have been one of those statistics. Thanks to him, a rape was prevented, but I still have occasional nightmares 20 years later and imagine it would be much worse if the creep had succeeded and I was forced to bear his child. That’s why I proposed the abortion pill as a lesser evil vs murdering a fully formed child. Yes, it’s still ends a life, but at least it would put an end to the millions of babies that are sucked out and dumped in medical waste bins every year at our expense. If they want an option, let them use that one and pay for it themselves. If they can’t afford a pill for $5 or $10 they either need to quit having sex or plan on raising their own children at their own expense instead of passing on the costs to the rest of us.

      • Michellle

        But, gunner, I will say I agree with you about the sterilization even though many consider it an invasion of ones rights and freedoms. Something has got to be done to stop those that live off of our hard earned money on welfare from continuing to make even more children and handing us the bills. Good luck with that though. Even mentioning mandatory birth control implants for them while living off the dole really gets the rights activists screaming. Funny that we’re expected to pay all our childrens expenses, set limits for them, be responsible for their actions, and control their behavior, but we’re not allowed any say or control on those on the dole who we are forced to support, isn’t it? I can understand ONE accident, but when a woman keeps having babies after getting on welfare just to avoid working or because she now has too many to support on her own, there’s no excuse for it, not even ignorance or lack of intelligence and it’s time to quit letting them get away with it. Since their rights protect them from sterilization and forced birth control, I’d suggest giving them a mandatory job as a requirement to get benefits instead of just letting them sit on their tushes. Maybe after a 40 hr work week and trying to fit in shopping, bills, school events, etc. they’ll be too tired and overwhelmed to want more babies like the rest of us are

        • smilee

          Is Corporate welfare that gives money mostly to the rich meet with your approval as it is about ten times greater in dollars than individual welfare and you do not mention your tax dollars times 10 being used for that. Apparently you believe freedom for others is what you think it should be and not what it really is. Such an approach is against our US Constitution so apparently you do not believe in it either. The SC did not define the beginning of life what it did do was interpret pregnancy as a privacy issue of the Woman under the US Constitution and that her decisions trumped the government making these decisions regarding pregnancy and reserved that right to the Mother. The US SC interprets the Constitution and often their decisions are not what people want but you cannot have rule of LAW without this method. DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE RULE OF LAW????

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Corporations create jobs, wealth, and pay taxes. poverty just begats more poverty.

          • smilee

            If there is a market for the goods or services which they produce they will create jobs, they do not do it because they receive corporate welfare. The fact is this will not effect the number of jobs they create but they will say it does so that dirty little secret does not get out. They also lobbied for the unearned income credit for underpaid workers which is another corporate welfare item that allows them to pay low wages as their employees receive this wage subsidy and thus can have a living wage. Do you like paying taxes to pay these corporate wages in addition to all other corporate welfare. about 43% of persons now file income tax forms not because they owe any taxes but to get their withholdings refunded and to receive their unearned income credit aka their wage subsidies from those who do pay taxes. The poor and vulnerable need assistance the corporations will do just fine on their own and if people like yourself didn’t support it congress would stop it.

          • Granny Mae

            Smilee,

            I don’t like welfare in any form. I think the government needs to stay out of everything. I have never liked the erned income credit and have bi_ched about it for years. My sister got it every year and probably still does. I took care of her and her 4 kids all year long along with raising my brother’s two kids through graduation, and still paid my taxes and she get the amount that I usually paid in. How fair was that? I will tell you what I do think should be done. I think it should be a law that when ever a family has to help support the family of other family members they should be able to take the absent and dead beat parent responsible, to court for the amout they have paid in thier behalf ! I helped my sister raise her children and gave her cars and microwaves, paid electric bills for her and also rent at times along with bought her kids cloths and shoes and paid for school pictures and on and on, she never went after her ex-husband for his child support. I suspect because she never quit loving him. Now couple that with raising my brother’s two boys from the time they were two and four years old and never getting one dime support for it, and now in my retirement years I am supporting my oldest son and his teenage son. I own the house they live in and pay the electric and buy groceries for all of us and cloth my grandson, and did my granddaughter till she got married. We live in a very depressed area and there just are no jobs at this time for a dyslexic high school drop out ! In all these cases there is a dead beat mom or dad or both. The parent with the children never wants to go after the absent parent and the absent parent doesn’t think they should have to pay support because they don’t want to give their money to their ex ! If the law said I could go after them I would in a heart beat and I would through their a$$es in jail and let them rot. If they didn’t come up with the money they would stay there! I have never asked for welfare and believe me I am far from rich. I worked and my husband worked to take care of all of them so if we can do it so can others. I don’t like paying for abortions or welfare or erned income credit, or anything else ! If you have to make it you can but if you don’t have to why should you ? I have lived a thousand lives in my 69 years so don’t even think of getting me riled up !

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          how about our rights not to have our tax dollars used for an abomination like abortion. Not every rape ends in pregnancy.

          • Robert Smith

            Or a war we were lied to when it was started by Bush. I don’t want to pay for that. I don’t want to pay for Bush’s 1,000 points of light. I don’t want to pay for no child left behind.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Bush, baaaaa! Wars, baaaaa! Chaaaaange! Rob, when are you going to come up with some new material, moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        gunner claims: “Pregnancy due to physical health, rape or incest is so rare as to be almost non-existant.”

        MOST, if not all later term abortions in any given year are for severe health reasons. Further, they are of WANTED fetuses and for the woman an abortion is the absolute last thing she wants.

        You can lie that later term abortions are for birth control, but they aren’t.

        When such an abortion occurs the particular procedure used is what is safest for the woman unless she opts otherwise.

        Please quit lying about the nature of later term abortions.

        Rob

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          Ever hear of a C Section ? A late term abortion by it’s procedure buts a greater risk on the woman. The baby is turned completley around in the womb then delievered head first before a pair of sizzors is thrust into it’s brain. As to the “so-called” health of the woman, mental health is also an excuse. In other words if she’s depressed that she’s pregnant then that’s considered an excuse. Also the father has no say in the process.

          • Robert Smith

            Blah, blah, blah…

            The lies about later term abortion continue.

            You can read a little about it at: http://www.womensenews.org/story/campaign-trail/041028/late-term-abortion-saved-these-womens-lives

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Ah, yes. Rob gives us another tape made and paid for by the lib, gay loving, baby killing marxists. Remember moron, if they had a C-section, this would have saved the lives of both the mother and the child. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Who are you to dictate one procedure over another?

            I think it’s far better for the woman and her doctor to decide what treatment is best.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            The C-section option is still there. It’s better for both to live then to have one or both of them die isn’t it moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • GregS

          Robert, YOU are the one who needs to quit lying:

          Robert Smith says:

          MOST, if not all later term abortions in any given year are for severe health reasons.

          As I pointed out to you in a previous post, Robert, this is simply NOT true! Dr. Martin Haskell, one of the developers of the partial-birth abortion procedure, did many abortions well beyond fetal viability. Furthermore, he did them for any and all reasons. In a lawsuit in 1995, he testified that women come to him for partial-birth abortions with “a variety of conditions. Some medical, some not so medical.”

          Robert Smith says:

          When such an abortion occurs the particular procedure used is what is safest for the woman unless she opts otherwise.

          Again, this is not necessarily true: Partial-birth abortions are done to insure that a dead fetus is delivered, so that the abortionist won’t get sued for delivering a live baby. This was well noted at a National Abortion Federation convention, when the procedure was first unveiled. Furtermore, the AMA has stated that partial-birth abortions have nothing to do with the health of the mother.

          • GregS

            “Furtermore” should be “Furthermore”

          • http://naver samurai

            You are correct and have given the patriots a victory over the dark side (libs). We both know abortion is nothing more than murder and women tend to get them for selfish reasons and nothing more. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            References Greg, references… Not more lies.

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Doesn’t the Nation Abortion Federation and the AMA count as sources? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            Show us the quote and source.

            Rob

  • Fast Freddy

    Dammit!, Having sex is a personal choice, getting pregnant naturally is a possible outcome from sex. There is no reason why anyone should expect tax-payers to “chip in ” and pay for anyones abortion. The gal, or the guy who knocked her up should bear the costs of getting past an unwanted pregnancy, we have to make folks responsible for their actions. Abortion mills are the only ones who make a killing by killing babies.

    • Robert Smith

      Fast says: “There is no reason why anyone should expect tax-payers to “chip in ” and pay for anyones abortion.”

      Yup, and that girl hurt in a car accident shouldn’t be treated either because she was driving when she got hurt. And darn, it wasn’t even a “responsible” trip in her car. She was going out to get a bottle of wine. Don’t want to pay for that accident either.

      And I know a guy who hit a tree on his way to bowling. Darn, bowling sure doesn’t make any sense to me so why cover his injuries when he had his accident?

      Denying medical treatment for any accident is dumb in my humble opinion.

      Rob

      • JimH

        Rob, There is a huge difference between an auto ACCIDENT and engaging in an activity that you KNOW could in all liklyness cause a prenancy. You are really reaching, trying to justify the killing of unborn boys and girls for selfish reasons.

        • Robert Smith

          Actually Jim, MOST sex is recreational and accidents do happen.

          Why not follow your own brutal god’s wishes and let women have free choice? Why do you want to take away what your god gives?

          Rob

          • JimH

            Rob, So you’re saying that just because the baby was concieved, “just having fun”, That the baby is somehow less human and less deserving to get to live? If you knowingly participate in an activity that can cause a pregnancy and oopsy it happened,it’s time to be the adult and take resonsibility for it. Actions have consequences. Driving while drinking is fun. If I get pulled over and tell the officer,”just having fun”, I will still be under arrest.

          • http://naver samurai

            If I remember right moron, personal responsibility is one of our founding principles. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Pregnancy is not an accident. It’s the result of a deliberate action. Suppose your friend intentially drove into a tree? Would you call that an accident. Only a monster can defend abortion.

      • http://naver sook young

        He isn’t a monster, just a deranged delusional excuse of a human being. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • smilee

          He isn’t a monster, just a deranged delusional excuse of a human being. Thank you.

          Reply

          Your husband always calls people morons, you are no better, reread above what adjectives you use. Why do you two need to be so terribly rude and devoid of civility, would it help if the two of you spent less time on here and spend that time having more sex, maybe it would improve your attitude towards those you do not agree with. The old cliche “when mommies happy, everyone is happy and when mommies is not happy nobody is happy” sex has been known to make one happy, try more of it.

          • http://naver samurai

            Talking about something you don’t get on a daily basis? Oh, I’m sorry, I forgot you just need to rest you hand or buy a new blow up doll. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • smilee

            sammie

            Did you run out of anything intelligent to say, seem I left you otherwise speeches so you resorted to this.

          • http://naver samurai

            Obviously what you posted was not intelligent, in fact it’s about the level of a middle school student Chris. I do it anytime she wants, but at least I’m married, have kids, and can perform this act, what about you moron? I don’t think any real woman would be interested in you. Be a man and leave the site. You are one of the enemies of this country and really need to leave it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • smilee

            (Offensive comment removed)

          • http://naver samurai

            Yea right moron! You never met my wife. Since the subject is abortion, an institution forced onto the will of the majority that didn’t want it, look at these videos:

            wwwyoutube.com/watch?v=4IVYsQ12_Hw
            wwwyoutube.com/watch?v=w0R1wUqvJS4

            Next time try acting more like an adult and not like some adolesent. Chris, you’re a complete moron! Like I said before, you are one of the enemies of this country and you should stay out of it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Ohhhhh, they sound so christian and republican.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, the girl in the video isn’t for either party, just against murdering children. You can be pro life and not be GOP can’t you? Such a moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • JimH

            Rob, you say Christian and Republican like those were bad things.

    • Granny Mae

      Fast Freddy,

      You are absolutely right ! Don’t pay no attention to Robert Smith. He is enjoying all the attention he is getting by being absurb ! If you notice he just repetes everything over and over. Then he throws horrible insults in to get everyone all stirred up and it all boils down to his way of trying to get attention. He is sick so pay him no mind !

      • libertytrain

        Yep, very much a lost loser from the left.

  • 45caliber

    This I agree with. I don’t think that anyone should be forced to pay for someone else’s abortion. Like a sex-change operation, everyone should pay for their own.

    • Michellle

      LOL 44, I love the comparison! Your’e right! BOTH are personal choices that should be paid for out of ones own pocket instead of forcibly subsidized/stolen out of someone elses and it’s time to put a stop to it.

      • Robert Smith

        Bzzzzz, wrong Michelle: ” BOTH are personal choices that should be paid for out of ones own pocket instead”

        An unwanted pregnancy is an accident. A sex change can be wanted because of a chromisom mix up. Neither is the fault of the individual. Society should be willing to fix accidents.

        After all, you may have chosen to drive to the store to get a pack of cigs (an acitivity I don’t approve of) when you got creamed by an icy patch on a road and a tree.

        Rob

        • http://naver sook young

          Then why didn’t society fix you? Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

          • smilee

            LOW BLOW, RUDE RUDE RUDE!!!!

          • http://naver sook young

            I only gave a professional opinion. It’s not quite as rude as an immature person, like you, trolling this site to see who you can jump on. What is your profession? It sure isn’t anything to do with PA I can tell you. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • smilee

            smilee says:
            January 26, 2011 at 4:17 am

            LOW BLOW, RUDE RUDE RUDE!!!!

            There you go again!!

            LOW BLOW, RUDE RUDE RUDE!!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Chris, can’t you come up with something more mature in level and not at middle school level? If you want to be middle school, I guess an answer we could give would be “bite me.” FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • smilee

            Sammie there you go again

            LOW BLOW, RUDE RUDE RUDE!!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Did you look at the sources I gave you Chris or are you still going to play these ignorant games? I guess it must be because your intelligence and maturity level are that low. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          In the mamby-pamby world you live in, is anyone responsible for their own actions?

          • Robert Smith

            Hey gunner, haven’t seen you in a little while.

            Certainly. But if you insist upon someone being born whether or not they want to be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            What if the fetus is thinking…

            WOW! An ABORTION… I can get back to heaven because it isn’t my fault. Oh goody it’s gonna be good to back with the big daddy and watch the kid getting nibbled on every Sunday. It’s gonna be fun, come on, abort away.

            That’s what I think a fetus might have going through it’s mind. After all having to live an entire life as an enterance exam for that brutal god’s heaven seems to me to be a waste of a lifetime.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            I see rob is back to drinking the kool aid again. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • libertytrain

            I’m thinking some form of mental illness. Poor Mr. Smith –

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Rob: If that’s how you feel about life I suggest that you find a high bridge and end your misery. Take a few others who think like you with you. Believe me the world would be better off.

          • http://naver sook young

            I’ve told him that the whole posting libertytrain. He is delusional, deranged, a pathological liar, maybe even bordering on sociopathy. I wish he would get himself some help. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob is a moron! Rob a fetus is a child. Do you know that the word FETUS is derived from Latin and means “young one” or “young child?” Just lost another battle. A fetus is a child, so take your lies somewhere else. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://naver samurai

          Pregnancy is never an accident! If you have unprotected sex, then you are wanting to get pregnant. Also, it’s not up to society to fix problems that someone brought onto themselves. “The vigilance to ensure that government remain our servents and not our masters.” One of our founding principles. Smaller government and not bigger government moron! I refuse to pay any money towards someone else’s mess ups with my tax dollars. If she was responsible in the first place (self reliance, another founding principle), she wouldn’t be in this situation. If the woman gets pregnant, she should take the responsibility that she has brought onto herself to care for the child (personal responsibility, another founding principle). If your going to play, you’re going to pay. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Granny Mae

          Robert Smith,

          Get a life and while you are at it get a brain ! I have been up close with some people that had sex changes and I can tell you that not all of them had them because of mistakes ! If you could only meet Ms. Cathy you would get the point real fast ! Ms. Cathy is 6’6″ tall and has shoulders like a chicago line backer ! Hips real narrow and a voice that would sing base in any choir. Cathy had a sex change because her mother always wanted a girl and cathy thought it would be fun to have boob’s ! These are words from her own lips ! There was nothing feminin about Cathy in any way. I asked her what her favorite past times were and she said working on her truck and fixing CB radios ! Cathy had been married and had a son when she decided to have a sex change. She wanted to remain married to her wife but the wife was having nothing to do with that. Everyone at work made fun of this poor creature. His son would have nothing to do with him and his mother didn’t want him to have a life of his own ! Cathy was never accepted by the women at work and it was the same with the men ! This was not the result of a mistake of nature it was the case of a full blown mental illness ! Oh I told you that Cathy liked boob’s well let me tell you Cathy had a set that would put Dolly to shame ! So get off the the train when it comes to homosexuality. You have a short view point. I have worked with some that would make your head spin and they were all sick ! I have only met one person that I ever felt was the victim of a mistake of nature ! I won’t go into the reasons why but out of all the gays I have been around this is the only one that truly needed surgery.

    • home boy

      so when you pay for someones abortion does that mean you agree with abortion?

      • smilee

        No, all most all taxpayers pay for things they disagree with it, noone can their tax dollars spent only on what they approve of, that is the result of majority vote

      • Robert Smith

        No home boy, it doesn’t mean approval of abortion, but it certainly means paying for saving the woman’s life or preventing an injury to her.

        Who decides what level of injury is appropriate? Certainly a woman and her doctor. I don’t think they guy at the window at the gas station should decide. I don’t think a priest should decide, I don’t think a cop should decide, and I don’t think YOU should decide. It’s her and whoever she decides to consult with.

        BTW, maybe her god thinks it’s OK. Who are you to challenge her religion? She doesn’t care about yours until you try to force it upon her through laws.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Too much lib crack today, moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Tony

    I love LIFE! LIFE is a gift ! Now, to be able to enjoy it we need help from our parents to grow :to be healthy, honest and productive individuals of the society!!! I wander if a child born by a mother who is not willing to have a child can grow to fulfill his or her potential and to become a valuable member of the society and not to be a problem and a danger for himself and for the society where he or she is living… Now we have to decide what’s in the best interst for us !

    • Robert Smith

      “I love LIFE! LIFE is a gift”

      But that abusive right wing christian god has destroyed so much life…

      Check out what he did with a flood, blowing up cities, and that first born thing. Talk about a bloody history.

      And looke at the inquisitions. My my what his followers did. Ain’t much respect for burning some woman you don’t like.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Still too much kool aid! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • kevin kelly

    I pray for an end to abortion,and infanticide,everyday.B.H.O. voted against “THE BORN ALIVE INFANT PROTECTION ACT” before moving to the white house,that vote was truly inhumane,b.h.o. is an evil,deviant.And all who voted for b.h.o. or support him,can’t claim ignorance,you beleive in killing human babies and same gender marriage.Shame on all you who are against LIFE,and voted for or support b.h.o.

    • Robert Smith

      Another christian says: “.Shame on all you who are against LIFE,and voted for or support b.h.o.”

      Shame on you all who suppport a god who has killed so many.

      Eat any good saviors lately?

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Way too much kool aid! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          Yup, there goes Jim Jones again. Wow! What a christian he was. Looks like he took death to a new lever for mondern times in the name of his version of christanity.

          All those kids…

          Rob

          • Granny Mae

            You are a victim of satanic posession !

        • http://naver samurai

          Nothing compared to Tiller the baby killer! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • blv54

    one way to stop some of these abortions is to target the ones who are ultimately responsible and that is the so called mother, they are not to be cuddled which is the way it’s always been oh the poor girl didn’t know what to do so she had an abortion, they know what their doing, it’s a selfish me first attitude and I don’t care about the baby. any women who can lay on a table while her baby is being stabbed to death with a pair of scissors is a murderer! ostracize them,call them names through things at them make it unfashionable a lot of innocent lives could be saved, it sure hasn’t worked by cuddling those women.

  • barbm

    texas is fast-tracking a bill that will require women to watch a sonogram of their baby and be counseled on other choices before she can have an abortion. we’re hoping it will make them think twice when they actually see the heart beating and sometimes the baby sucking its thumb.

    • crystal

      I hope this catches on throughout the country. This country has gotten to the point where a fetus is detached from it’s mother emotionally. How much more barbaric will we become?

      • Robert Smith

        How’s ’bout a “christian” Fred Phelps pickiting the funeral of a 9 year-old?

        How’s ’bout an Olympic bombing and a clinic bombing?

        How’s ’bout doctors being killed in church?

        Rob

        • JimH

          Rob, Are you infering that we condone those actions or are you just adding to the list of barbaric practices to go along with abortion?

          • Robert Smith

            Did you condone the bombings at Atlanta and a clinic there?

            Do yhou condone the brutality of floods, canabalism, and destroying cities by your brutal version of a christian god?

            Rob

          • JimH

            Rob, I don’t condone the bombing of clinics or people killing abortion doctors. If you believe in the sanctity of life you don’t show it by bombing and killing. I don’t know why there are natural disasters and since you can’t blame someone ore something you don’t believe in, I guess YOU can’t blame it on God. Your lame attempt to ridicule the Holy Sacrament of Communion is lame and doesn’t bring anything to the debate.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          Doctors ? You mean Tiller the baby killer? They quit being doctors when they violate the Hypocratic Oath to do no harm.

          I’ve asked this question before but never recieved an answer.
          In 1930′ Germany if a concentration camp inmate killed a prison guard would liberals consider that murder? If not, why not? The camps were legal under German Law at the time. As far as I’m concerned the same principal applies to abortion providers.

          • http://naver samurai

            Here, here! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Do you still beat your wife, gunner?

            One can phrase any question to be a trap.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            You still haven’t answered his question, rob you moron. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Yes I still do. I beat her over the head every day with love and respect. I will continue to do so as long as I live.

          • http://naver samurai

            Good answer gunner! I’ve been doing the same to my wife for many years, no matter what. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://naver samurai

          How about that doctor killing babies that were born alive after an attempted abortion? Do you support this man’s actions, moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            absolutely no support for that criminal. He wasn’t certified to practice as an OBGYN.

            Rob

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          Beyond killing that monster that church should have been burned to the ground. What kind of congregation would allow that known serial killer through their door.

          • Robert Smith

            Some Christians women and their choices.

            If the christian god of yours gave women free choice why do YOU deny it? Are you trying to be another abusive god?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            A lot of those women made that choice after being beguiled into doing it. There’s a big difference in that moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://com i41

    The most simplist way to stop unwanted pregancy is to have the mother carry the child full term, ID the sire and make him pay for health care, feeding and day care until the child is 26. Taxpayers supporting this breeding program with out any consquense, is something that cannot continue.DNA test any jailed convict and check for offspring, if found remove all offending out growths. If mother uses any drugs, steralize the mothers. Most all children taken away from welfare mothers are drug using single women. Put some teeth in collecting taxpayer funded welfare payment, drug test any time food stamp office cals, DNA test if mother says who the father is, and if the slub will not work put the dinks to community service jobs manually mowing road ditches, cleaning up trashed out blocks of inercities, in winter they must shovel sidewalks and do manual snow removal any where needed. These s–t birds need to learn some responsible and what work is. Since prisoners use drugs while incerated, if they test hot add a couple hours every time ytested hot, and maybe it will ring in thru the foggy brain with 18 hour days. Bring back the pink clothed chain gangs and sharp knives.

    • Robert Smith

      Hey i41… How’s bout that “go forth and multiply?”

      Taxpayers supporting this breeding program with out any consquense, is something that cannot continue.

      You want ‘em to breed, YOU should pay.

      Rob

      • Granny Mae

        i41,

        I think you have something there ! Boy I have had a lot of thoughts along those same lines !

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      The simpliest way to avoid unwanted pregnancys is for the girl to keep her legs together until she’s married. There are consequences to actions.

      • http://naver samurai

        100% agree. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        Excellent advice for Palun’s daughter.

        If she can’t make abstinance work in HER family how can you expect it to work in those who don’t subscribe to your brutal version of christanity?

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          I’d rather live and die a Christian and go to heaven, then live and die like you and burn forever. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Granny Mae

        gunner689,

        Yes and it also helps if the guy keeps his pants zippered up ! Last time I looked it took two and you sure don’t see many guys walking away from a free piece now do you ? If the girl gets pregnant let the guy pay for her abortion !

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda

    ABORTION IS MURDER PLAIN AND SIMPLE FROM THE PRESIDENT DOWN TO THE SOULESS CREATURE THAT KILLS HER BABY THEY ALL ARE MURDERERS AND THE DOCTORS ARE GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL WHERE I HOPE THEY BURN FOREVER AND THE FILTHY PEOPLE THAT WORK THOSE KILLING SHOPS CAN GO RIGHT WITH THEM, IN THE FUTURE I HOPE DEATH IS IMPOSED ON ABORTIONISTS AND ALL THAT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM

    • smilee

      Boy, your really angry, Do you believe in loving your neighbor as yourself as Gof also requires??

      • crystal

        Who’s Gof? (Smile)

        • Robert Smith

          I used to know a Geof who worked at the Smithsonian Eienstine Planitarium…

          He used to turn the universe on and off each day.

          Then he went to the Naval Obsertiavory to keep track of time and several other things. He’s been on CNN.

          Rob

        • smilee

          GOD GOD sorry I misspelled, surprised you could not figure out what I meant through

      • http://naver samurai

        Doesn’t this also apply to the doctors and the babies they are about to kill, moron? You can’t have it both ways. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Granny Mae

        Loving your neighbor as yourself? Maybe, sometimes, and then again how about our neighbor loving us as they love themselves ? I like these two way streets !

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    If a woman has a right to do what she wants with her body why is prostitution illegal ?

    • smilee

      YOU TELL US!!!

      • http://naver samurai

        Why don’t you tell us, moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Ask your momma and your sister to.

        • http://naver samurai

          Very funny! Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Robert Smith

      Gunner asks about prostitution and legality.

      In Colorado and Road Island it is legal.

      I think it should be legal. Although I’ve never paid for sex I can understand how for some it would be the only way they can get it. After all, it is the world’s oldest profession. There are some who think Mary Magadlin was either JC’s wife or a hooker. I’ve also heard that she was cross dressing at the Last Supper.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Cite your sources on the rob, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • smilee

    Do you believe Billy Graham is a Christian?? On an interviews (an hour long) with David Frost some years ago he was asked if this country was founded on christian principals by Christians and he said it was not and also added this has never been a Christian country. I agree with him as I too have never seen that evidence either, the only people that say that are people like you who call everyone they do not agree with morons. It is also a sin to lie. You lie a lot and are also very very rude and so out of touch with reality.

    • http://naver samurai

      Did you really need to repeat yourself? If I didn’t pay attention to your load of crap before, why the heck would I pay attention to it now? You need to go back to the left wing extremist sites with this crap, because we aren’t buying what you are selling. You said in an earlier post that you were a Christian? I know I have my faults, but you take the cake. I bet that you and Bor get some real quality time with each other by how you seem to be covering his arse. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        He asked if you think Billy was a christian or not.

        Well, are you going to answer or engage in more namecalling?

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Of course he is! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          How about you answering my questions ?

          • Robert Smith

            Do you still beat your wife gunner? Oh YES! You and samurai admitted to it.

            I think it’s sad when the bible is used as a weapon.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            You’re a moron Rob! If beating your wife with love, caring, and respect is wrong, then what do you do with yours? I don’t think I want to know. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • smilee

    Why did you ignore Billy Grahams’s statements and just go off on me without any facts, the only thing you say that is correct is that I said on an earlier post that I was a Christian. The rest were assumptions on your part and Assumptions on your part are no better that your lies, only one of your many faults. You made one improvement through you did not call me a moron this time,

    • http://naver samurai

      If he really said these things then cite your source! You said on a certain show, but you don’t know when? Now look who is lying and full of assumptions and inuendo. You are no Christian. You’re just an antagonist. They tend to be less intelligent, low self esteem, and very lonely people. Take the hint and leave, moron! You’re not welcome here, Chris! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        Was Billy a christian or not?

        Check out Bishop Spong too.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Yes Billy Graham is a Christian, but bishop spong is a Christian in name only and not in deed. A true Christian doesn’t believe in telling someone to kill their child. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • smilee

        I did I said it was on the interview Sir David Frost Interview

      • Robert Smith

        samurai wants a source, samurai wants a source, samurai wants a source, samurai wants a source,samurai wants a source, samurai wants a source,samurai wants a source, samurai wants a source,samurai wants a source, samurai wants a source…

        In an interview in TV Guide (8/6/94), Graham says, when asked about the issues of abortion and homosexuality:

        “I don’t get involved in the abortion thing. I agree with the Pope, whom I know well, on abortion. But I just don’t take extreme positions. I preach to unite people. There is a great division in the religious community today. God loves homosexual as much as anyone else. I think homosexuality is a sin, but no greater than idolatry and adultery. In my judgment, it’s not that big.”

        Rob

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    The bottom line is: If you can’t feed them, don’t breed them.

    • Robert Smith

      Because Gunner is going to stop protecting them the moment they are born.

      Rob

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        No, but I would stop carrying their parents. If I had my way once a person, man or woman collects welfare for (3) years they will be given the choice. If they want to continue living on the dole then they must be sterilized. Also all welfare receps. have to undergo regular drug testing and have their DNA on file. Don’t tell me that I’m violating their freedoms; they can always opt out of the system.

        • Granny Mae

          You have the right idea. I would not let them be on welfare longer than a year or two if they are going to school to get job training.

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